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May 31, 2024 - Knowledge Fight
01:55:19
#929: May 28, 2024

In this installment, Dan and Jordan return to the studio to find Alex interviewing Steve Bannon, grooving out to a bunch of music, and telling tales about Stanley Kubrick.

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alex jones
31:44
d
dan friesen
44:12
j
jordan holmes
31:09
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steve bannon
01:08
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pastor david manning
00:02
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steve quayle
00:02
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Speaker Time Text
alex jones
Knowledge Fight.
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys.
Knowledge Fight.
unidentified
Dan and George.
Knowledge fight.
I need, I need money.
Andy in Kansas.
alex jones
Andy in, Andy in, Andy in.
Stop it.
Andy in, Andy in, Andy in Kansas.
Andy in, Andy in.
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding us.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first time calling in with you, Japan.
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody!
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan.
unidentified
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
unidentified
Oh, indeed we are.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
I have a quick question for you.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot today, buddy?
dan friesen
My bright spot today, Jordan, is we are back in business.
jordan holmes
We are.
dan friesen
We are back in the studio.
Everything is back to normal.
I don't know.
Is that my bright spot?
Probably.
Maybe.
I don't know.
It's good to be back to normal life with a nice time traveling around and such, but such as my old man ass likes to be at home.
So it's nice to be home.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Nice to have the cat around.
jordan holmes
Always.
dan friesen
You know, it's good times.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know, I feel like there should be something.
jordan holmes
I think your problem is, you did the coming home bright spot on the Milwaukee show.
So it feels like you're not really giving it your all.
dan friesen
I guess so.
But even since then, I've taken some time to regroup.
I've got to hang out with my friend Matt Riggs.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And some other friends, and I've caught up on my stories.
Like the challenge?
jordan holmes
Like the challenge and the Amazing Race?
dan friesen
I'm almost finished with the Amazing Race.
I got to the finale.
jordan holmes
Oh, it's a good one.
dan friesen
I have a fair amount of thoughts about various people on that game.
I feel like I like a lot more of them than usual.
jordan holmes
Oh, I feel like I disliked a lot more of them than usual.
dan friesen
Maybe it's a glass half full, glass half empty kind of situation.
jordan holmes
We'll see where we land on Bubble Boy.
dan friesen
He's gone already, but I liked him.
jordan holmes
See?
dan friesen
Enough.
jordan holmes
I knew it.
dan friesen
He was sweet.
He was fine.
His mom seemed to have a nice relationship.
But yeah, I played a little Diablo, tried the new season.
It was reasonably fun.
You know, everything is just fine.
In terms of coming home.
jordan holmes
They never give those reviews, but man, Reasonably Fun is such a good review.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Yes!
Agreed, it is Reasonably Fun.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Let's not go crazy.
dan friesen
I came home, I had to do my laundry, and just so happened the day I was trying to do laundry, my water was turned off in the building for some repairs, and I found that out.
After I'd already started the load.
jordan holmes
Of course!
dan friesen
And so I was worried that my clothes were going to be ruined because of that, because I had to wait hours until I could wash them again.
jordan holmes
Jesus.
dan friesen
When the water was turned back on, and everything was fine.
jordan holmes
Great.
dan friesen
Things are fine, I guess.
jordan holmes
Reasonably fine.
dan friesen
That's the bright spot.
Things are fine.
jordan holmes
Things are just fine.
dan friesen
I guess.
jordan holmes
I think that's, honestly, that's probably pretty great.
dan friesen
So what's your bright spot?
jordan holmes
My bright spot, I'm going to go ahead and go with, you know, second all of the being home stuff.
Uh, wife, pups.
I'm gonna go with the French Open, though.
It's happening.
It's great.
It's fantastic.
dan friesen
I know we texted a little bit about this.
jordan holmes
It's a good one.
dan friesen
Has Rafa played yet?
jordan holmes
Rafa lost in the first round.
But what's great about that is that actually it was the best thing that could have happened.
dan friesen
Because he's not going to retire now.
jordan holmes
He's not going to retire now.
I think he was all set to retire.
The idea was he'd be Rafa.
He'd play against some scrubs the first couple rounds.
Then he'd go up against somebody who was really good and kind of get his ass kicked.
Because he's old.
You know, he's an old man, right?
dan friesen
Dignified kind of late round.
jordan holmes
That's how it's supposed to go.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
So instead he got an unlucky draw and he gets my favorite to win the whole thing in the first round, right?
And so I also think after watching that match that Zverev was the only person who could have beat him.
It was going to be like his last match and he's at Roland Garros and he's only ever lost like three times ever before.
There's all that mystique and all that stuff, right?
But Zverev, the last time he played him...
Zverev broke his ankle and ruined his...
Like, he thought he was going to end his career after that loss.
dan friesen
Wait, wait.
Zverev broke Rafa's ankle?
jordan holmes
No, no.
Zverev broke his own ankle.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Horrible.
Horrible injury.
dan friesen
He's the only person who has, like, an even sort of denser story.
jordan holmes
Yep.
Completely no idea that...
Oh, sure.
There's 30,000 people chanting for Rafa.
Don't care.
I broke my ankle.
I thought my career was going to be over.
I'm focused on just beating this guy.
dan friesen
I don't pity you, old-timer.
jordan holmes
Nope.
Don't care.
dan friesen
I've got my...
jordan holmes
I got my own shit going on, man.
Yeah, so that was what happened.
And then it turns out Rafa almost won.
Old man-ass Rafa nearly took one of the best five players on the planet to the house.
dan friesen
Well, he's still got gas in the tank.
jordan holmes
Yeah, so next year I think he's going to come back and win the whole fucking thing.
dan friesen
Just out of spite.
jordan holmes
Just out of spite.
dan friesen
Spite is a strong motivator.
jordan holmes
I mean, if you're the best there ever was at one thing, and there's nobody who is ever going to be better, I got to do it one more time just to show off.
unidentified
See?
jordan holmes
There you go.
dan friesen
Another time.
One other time.
jordan holmes
Let the toms roll.
dan friesen
Amen.
jordan holmes
Laissez toms rolling.
dan friesen
C 'est bien.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
All right.
So, Jordan, we're back.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And today we're going to be covering a present day episode.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
We're going to be talking mostly about May 28th, 2024.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
Which was Tuesday's episode.
But I came back and I realized I hadn't been listening to Alex's show while we were gone because it was just too much to do.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Too much flying around, training around, walking around.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no time.
dan friesen
Doing the shows, editing the shows.
So it was just like, I'm out.
Enjoy yourself.
I'm not listening to any of this shit.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And so I came back, and I was almost eager to get back into it.
And so instead of just listening, I ended up watching a fair amount.
jordan holmes
Oh no, okay.
dan friesen
I don't usually watch the videos, and I was struck by a couple of realizations that I feel like I might have lost touch of.
And one is that Alex doesn't believe any of this shit.
unidentified
You can see in his face his gears moving as he's making things up.
dan friesen
If you watch him, it is way more transparent than he is full of shit.
jordan holmes
Painfully obvious he's making it up as he goes along.
dan friesen
Yes.
And I think some of that is masked by him being a professional in the radio field.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
Yeah, you're not supposed to see his face.
dan friesen
Yeah, there is a bit of, like, uh...
that comes through.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
The second thing is that, like, this dude...
Is, like, just the most important person in the world, if any of the stuff he's saying is true.
And just to see a person sitting there behind this desk with, you know, the pageantry of it.
He's talking about World War III at some point, nuclear war.
The people working the boards have pulled up pictures of mushroom clouds playing on the wall behind him.
The spectacle of it is just...
I don't know.
It's way more insane than I remember it being.
And I think I might watch a bit more now because it was kind of like...
Listening to it may be a little bit more depressing than actually just watching this idiot.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
I mean, that does make sense.
Like, there is a lot of visual bombast that can overcome a lot of things that you would not be able to if you were just...
Only receiving one sensory input, you know?
That makes sense.
dan friesen
I think it's almost even...
Part of it is the opposite of bombast.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
There is visual deflation that I think happens.
jordan holmes
We're all gonna die!
But next to a sad, like, bags under the eyes man.
Right, right.
dan friesen
We're all gonna die, but he's, like, looking around and giving a signal.
Take the camera off me.
I need to take a drink or something like that.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
I gotcha.
I gotcha.
dan friesen
It's a little bit...
It's a little bit sillier to see the videos.
And so maybe I'll enjoy that from now on.
jordan holmes
I like that, yeah.
dan friesen
But hey, we'll get down to business on this episode.
But before we do, let's say hello to some new wonks.
jordan holmes
Ooh, that's a great idea.
dan friesen
So first, Old Man Housewives.
I'm a policy wonk.
Thank you.
Next.
Dr. Octagonopus says that if you all ever come to Los Angeles, I will happily take you to Dodger Stadium to get your show hay fix.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much!
dan friesen
I was worried that that was Dr. Octagon.
You know, the rapper?
jordan holmes
Oh, oh, yeah.
No, no, no, not him.
dan friesen
Inviting us to LA?
jordan holmes
Not him.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
It would be interesting if that was him.
dan friesen
It would be.
jordan holmes
That would be a wild day.
dan friesen
And we got a couple technocrats in the mix, Jordan, so thank you so much to I'm Cletus the Possessed Zuni Finich Doll.
Have you seen my necklace?
Thank you so much.
You're now a technocrat.
And guys, congratulations on getting accepted into the Ultimate Globalist Training Camp UC Berkeley.
Also, please don't tell your mom that I became a technocrat.
She doesn't understand humanity's innate biological need to hype.
Thank you so much.
We're now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Four stars.
unidentified
Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
pastor david manning
Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
alex jones
Daddy Shark.
Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
unidentified
He's a loser little titty baby.
alex jones
I don't want to hate black people.
I renounce Jesus Christ!
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
jordan holmes
Yes, thank you very much.
dan friesen
So one thing that I noticed that we'd been doing, and maybe it took a little bit of the time of being wandering around, not putting out episodes and not recording, maybe it took a little bit of that to recognize it, but we've been doing a lot of sort of bottle-ish episodes that are just this day.
jordan holmes
Sure, it's been a while since we've done a long investigation, yeah.
dan friesen
Well, even, I mean more for the present.
Oh, okay, okay.
Take one day in the present and we'll cover that.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And I feel like we've got the election coming up, we've got Trump's trial coming to a close.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
You know, we need a little bit more fullness.
So I want to flesh out some more of, like, the lay of the land.
jordan holmes
Okay, okay.
dan friesen
So even though we're talking about the 28th, I have a couple of clips that I want to play from the 26th, the 27th.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
To sort of set the scene and, you know, where we are and what have you.
jordan holmes
The landscape!
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So the 26th is Sunday, and that show is mostly...
About Alex trying to pivot all the money over to Dr. Jones Naturals, his dad's company, so whenever the bankruptcy goes through and all that, if he has to liquidate his business, all the money will be going through his dad's company, and then he can just start a new company, and they could be his main sponsor.
He's very clearly trying to transition that.
jordan holmes
No, it's impossible to see through.
dan friesen
Painfully fucking obvious.
unidentified
No, no, no.
jordan holmes
There's nothing transparent about it.
dan friesen
Oh, man.
So that's a lot of the show.
Yeah.
Another part that is very heavy on the show is that Trump went to the Libertarian Convention.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
And he got booed.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
By the Libertarians.
jordan holmes
Rightfully.
dan friesen
And then he had his fans who were there who were cheering.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
But the Libertarians were booing.
And now they're evil, it turns out.
jordan holmes
Oh!
alex jones
So again, Libertarians back in the Milton Friedman era were great.
In the Ron Paul era, he was still a Republican.
Modern Libertarians are basically basement-dwelling leftists.
Who were embarrassed to the Democratic Party, so they opposed as libertarians.
And there were a lot of basement dwellers there.
I'm not going to get to the clips of them, but they were absolutely out of control, and they could care less if Trump wants to stop World War III.
I'm voting for Trump just because of how much peace we had.
I'd give him an A +, a 95. When he was president, I'd give Biden an F-, I'd give Obama an F-, George W. Bush an F-, Herbert Walker Bush an F-, But not, not, not Trump.
dan friesen
You're a man who lives in extremes.
A pluses and F minuses only.
jordan holmes
I mean, you know, if you're there, there's really no point in having the intergrade between, you know, just go with the A or B. Yeah.
dan friesen
I mean, F is fine.
jordan holmes
Pass, fail.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So in that clip, there's a really important reality that folks need to grapple with, which is that when there's a cult in play, nothing else is sacred.
Alex's entire career has been built on using the facade of libertarianism to mask his extreme right-wing politics, and greet the image that he might be on kind of the same team as maybe you are on the left.
Maybe you have some problems with the police, state, and civil liberties concerns.
So do I!
jordan holmes
I've lived in the basement.
dan friesen
It was a useful little trick, and it really was the cornerstone of his whole I'm-above-the-left-right-paradigm bullshit branding that got him to where he is.
But now, Trump is all that matters.
He went to speak at the Libertarian Convention and was booed by the Libertarians there, including the actual delegates, who were probably a little insulted when Trump demanded that they nominate him or vote for him when he's nominated.
They aren't on board, so guess what?
They've been taken over by fucking leftists.
This is gonna happen all the time.
It's how you justify, like, oh, I hate those fucking people now, because they're not on board with my God King guy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yep.
dan friesen
Also, Trump did a fucking lot of war.
jordan holmes
I mean, if you want to give any president any score about wars, none of them are going to be good.
dan friesen
I think the vast majority of them will fail that test.
F-minus, debatable.
jordan holmes
I would go even further.
dan friesen
So the Sunday show, not a whole lot to talk about.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
So we'll jump to Monday, and that is Memorial Day.
jordan holmes
Right.
There's so much to memorize about it.
dan friesen
That's not what Memorial Day is about.
It's not about your multiplication tables.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
It's about remembering troops and such.
jordan holmes
Well, I'm sure Alex will treat it with the sanctity.
dan friesen
Definitely.
Now.
I think that there are obviously, this is a point that I've made a few times in the past.
There's a lot of people who probably have, you know, they're passionate and they care about Palestinian rights and the crimes that are being committed in Gaza, and they think that sometimes people on the right give some good lip service to having concerns about those things.
I just think that it's important to remember that Alex is not on your side.
alex jones
The UN Global Treaty has failed.
This is a big defeat for the New World Order, their big UN Pandemic Treaty.
We'll be getting to that.
It's Memorial Day all across the country.
We've got reports in New York, Los Angeles, Princeton.
They're coming in of leftist attacking Memorial Day parades.
They just see American flags and they go completely insane.
That's all.
Coming up today.
dan friesen
So he ends up playing some video and it's people chanting Free Palestine.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And this is the way that he's reporting on it.
Leftists get angry at seeing an American flag and they attack these parades.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
That is how he views you.
If you are somebody who protests for Palestinian rights and such.
So he fucking hates you.
He hates that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He recognizes that there's no tenable position to fully support Israel, but he's not on any good team here.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
You can't just be like, yeah, sure, kill them all.
That's not good.
dan friesen
Well, that's kind of what he's underneath.
jordan holmes
Well, that's what he wants to say.
dan friesen
His argument does boil down to, as we've talked about a bunch of times, it's just like, they're going to come here.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
He would be totally fine if he thought that killing off an entire population was possible.
He just doesn't think it's possible.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's an impractical idea, not a wrong or horrific, monstrous idea.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And so he hates people who are protesting about that because Memorial Day is important.
jordan holmes
Well, he loves the United States so much that he wants to destroy all of the rights that we call America.
dan friesen
But, you know, if there's somebody who I just think of as somebody who, like, loves the troops.
The troops.
unidentified
Loves...
dan friesen
Someone who thinks Memorial Day is sacred.
unidentified
It's...
jordan holmes
I told you, the sanctity...
unidentified
That's fucking Alex to a T. 100.
alex jones
Memorial Day.
You know, I think about all of my family that are veterans, and most of them are dead, but they were amazing men, and they were amazing women, and they were patriots that loved their country.
Didn't mean all the wars were perfect, didn't mean everything they did was right, but they loved their country, and they were great people.
And when I see articles coming out...
In Los Angeles, in New York, in Princeton, that college, with goons attacking and blocking roads when they see a Memorial Day demonstration or parade remembrance, and they're literally pissing on World War II veterans and their memory.
Here's the left claiming everybody's a Nazi.
They support the Ukraine war, literally backing Nazis.
unidentified
What?
alex jones
And then, all over the country, they see a parade, or they hear there's a parade with veterans and old people in wheelchairs wearing their uniforms, and they come and they piss on him.
unidentified
These people are scum.
alex jones
Now, I don't support the indiscriminate destruction of Gaza.
You know that.
At the same time, the communist anti-American filth.
That has piggybacked on this is the real enemy of this country.
And George Soros is funding it also.
dan friesen
Oh, okay, sure.
Yeah.
So that's where, you know, these are the places where he's really coming from.
jordan holmes
You ever see the I Think You Should Leave show?
dan friesen
I've seen a couple of the sketches.
I shamefully admit that because I know it's very good.
jordan holmes
There's one sketch that is the funniest thing I've ever seen.
Or will ever see.
And that's Coffin Flop.
There's just something so funny about the idea of people falling out of coffins.
Just every part of it.
And then the sudden reveal that just randomly one out of every ten's naked.
Why not?
I love it.
That's perfect.
It's perfect escalation.
I want that exact same commercial but for people peeing on old...
Just the vision of this.
How are they up above?
dan friesen
Alex did say literally.
jordan holmes
Right!
That's what I'm saying.
dan friesen
He's talking literally.
jordan holmes
Do they pre-prepare?
Are there water balloons?
Are we using vats?
Are we just creating on the go?
I need to know these things.
dan friesen
I can't answer that for you.
I didn't see any peeing in the video that Alex played.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it seems like that one would be...
You would need some evidence for that.
dan friesen
But, you know, this dum-dum tried to overthrow the federal government.
Like, shut up about your love of the troops.
Calm down, asshole.
jordan holmes
Every time these liberals see a flag upside down, they want to make a big deal out of it.
dan friesen
We'll touch on that a little bit later.
Spoiler alert, Alex is thrilled.
jordan holmes
Totally fine with it, right?
Loves this country so much.
dan friesen
Starting to like Alito a little bit.
jordan holmes
So much loves this country so much.
dan friesen
So, Alex is reflecting on his 30 years on air on this Memorial Day, and he remembers someone who's not dead, but definitely gone from the Infowar, and that is his original webmaster.
And I just kept this in because I thought it was very sad, the reason that he ended up quitting.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
I want the crew and the audience and all of our friends to know that we've done great things together the last 30 years, 27 years since I started Infowars.
People always say, what a great name, Information War.
You're so smart to have gotten that URL.
I think I paid $9 for it back then.
And it was not me.
It was a former Air Force intelligence veteran of Vietnam.
He's still alive, but he says he's too old to come on.
He lives in Bastrop.
He was the deputy fire chief in Austin, Vic Vreeland.
And Vic started InfoWars, and Vic was the one that built the original website.
And Vic, for free, for about six months, worked on it.
And then his parrot, his wife was great.
I used to go over there and eat dinner with him like once a week.
His wife's parrot, his parrot Petey, died.
And they got so depressed he couldn't work on that anymore.
He just retired out of the fire department.
And that was 27 years ago.
You know, even though Vic a year ago asked him on set, I'm too old, I'm not going to do it.
I'm retired.
I think I'm going to get his address and go see him in Bastrop.
Gosh, that was 27 years ago, and he was about 65 then.
Gosh, he must be like 90 years old.
Anyways, it's just all those cool people.
It's been quite an amazing journey, ladies and gentlemen.
dan friesen
Quite a journey.
Very sad.
Lost a parrot.
jordan holmes
Man, parrots are like, they live a long time.
They're very smart edibles.
dan friesen
They're communicative.
unidentified
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
It would really break your heart.
My wife's mom has a parrot.
dan friesen
I don't mean to make fun of that.
I know grief of losing a pet is powerful.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I just think it's very strange to hear like, the guy who originally started it for us quit because his wife's parrot died.
jordan holmes
I know!
dan friesen
I also suspect that there may be other reasons that Vic Vreeland wouldn't want to come on Alex's show in the present day other than I'm too old.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
For instance, I was able to find a 2022 article in the Austin American Statesman about how he and his wife Judy were so moved by the conflict in Ukraine that they painted the side of their house as a Ukrainian flag to show solidarity and support.
Vic said, quote, she won't let me go to Ukraine, so this is what I did.
Painted the flag.
jordan holmes
Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
Also, if you go to his website, you can see pictures of a bunch of vacation cruises that he's taken, as well as big birds that he's seen.
jordan holmes
See what I'm saying?
Vic sounds great!
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, the section on his website that's dedicated to big birds makes me suspect that the parrot part might, there might be some truth to that.
jordan holmes
I believe it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, they're brilliant creatures.
dan friesen
He's feeding vultures bacon.
jordan holmes
My wife grew up, the parakeet that she grew up with used to imitate the dogs.
So whenever, because the parrot didn't like my wife.
So whenever she was alone, she would bark like the dogs and set all of the dogs off screeching, like out of nowhere, just to spite.
My wife.
So they're very smart.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
They hate her.
dan friesen
Yeah, the birds are capable of having feelings about people.
jordan holmes
100%.
dan friesen
And acting accordingly.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Terrifying.
So there might be some big guests coming up in the future on Alex's show.
Like one guy.
I don't know if this is true.
It might be.
unidentified
Who knows?
alex jones
And I just...
I'm old enough.
Seems like...
I saw Sylvester Stallone's documentary on Netflix a few months ago.
It's really good.
You ought to watch it.
He's a good conservative guy.
And, you know, he's like, man, I feel like I just was born.
I feel like I'm just getting started.
But, you know, that's the way the world works.
I'm close to the end here now, even though he's in great shape.
I've had a chance to work out at his private gym, and I'll just leave it at that, years ago out in California, but he left California to Florida.
Maybe we'll get Sly on the show.
In fact, that's something I hadn't really told folks about.
I think there's a good chance he'll be on the show here soon.
I'll just kind of give you a little idea of that.
We're going to have some really big guests here on InfoWars in the next few months.
Big ones.
The biggest you can get.
dan friesen
I'm so excited.
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
Yeah, maybe Sylvester Stallone will be on.
jordan holmes
All right.
All right.
dan friesen
Fine!
Yeah!
jordan holmes
Good!
I want Sylvester Stallone on the show!
dan friesen
That was kind of my response.
unidentified
I was like, I guess I don't care.
jordan holmes
I'm trying to think of a problem here, but I mean, yeah, that guy from Expendables 4 should probably be on InfoWars.
dan friesen
I'd love to see Alex sweating it out at that gym, too.
Probably with Stallone as his trainer, I would assume.
jordan holmes
I think that's the news radio episode, right?
Where it's like, you show up at Sylvester Stallone.
It's Jim and he's like, oh, I'm going to train you.
I'll take you under my wing.
And it does two chin-ups and then you're out of there.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
It's that guy, right?
dan friesen
Take a picture.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
Speaking of news radio, I was very close to, I was going to get you a gift.
Upon the return of our, you know, coming back from the tour.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because I was walking past a place and I saw a bunch of canes.
unidentified
Oh, God.
dan friesen
I was going to get you a cane.
But they were all bad, so I didn't end up getting one.
jordan holmes
You should have gotten me one.
The first thing I would have done has just been like, this one displeases me, and then tossed it away.
Yep, yep.
dan friesen
I figured that would be fun, but oh well.
Also, I forgot to bring this up after that last clip.
Vic Vreeland is not 90 years old.
He's like 76. Or at least he was in a 2022 article.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
So Alex might be overstating how old he is.
jordan holmes
What an interesting guy.
And what a strange little thing of like, to have one stamp upon the entire world in a very small way, but also in a very important way.
It's very fascinating.
dan friesen
I would imagine from everything I can tell from the limited amount of information I found about him, I don't think that he probably looks back on the time of like, Founding InfoWars.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
As I was like, this is what I hoped would happen.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Doesn't seem like he's on board.
jordan holmes
I would doubt that.
But, you know, you can't win them all.
And he did have a world impact, and not everybody gets to say that.
dan friesen
It's true.
Speaking of something else that had a world impact, here's a fable.
Not a fable.
A little bit of lore for you.
jordan holmes
All right.
alex jones
We have the enemy's playbook.
The Illuminati in 1776 was trying to copy George Washington, but portrayed a satanic counterfeit.
In Bavaria, Germany, a courier was struck by lightning, and it was described in the local police reports and newspaper, his body exploded.
He was hit directly by lightning, and there was a 400-plus page document that had been copied by Adam Weishaupt, the Jesuit priest, the head of the Illuminati, being sent to France on how to overthrow the government and have a French Revolution.
Took them years to do it, they did it.
And in it, it described how they were going to create an absolute tyranny.
How they weren't getting rid of one tyranny to make it better.
They were creating a total tyranny to end the family, to end humans as we know it, who survives into slaves.
And because the Germans, or in that province, the Bavarians, the Austrian-Hungarian Empire, got those documents, they were unable to take over Germany and Austria and...
Czechoslovakia and the rest of it.
But they were able to take over France.
But the plan was for all of Europe.
We have the enemy plan.
We know their operation.
They've been so arrogant.
dan friesen
So I'm not sure I believe any of this, but I was able to track down some of the basics of this claim to a 2009 book called The Perfectibilists, the 18th century Bavarian Order of the Illuminati.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
Alex is obviously embellishing the shit out of this basic claim, but what is in that book is that there was a guy named Johann Jacob Lanz who was traveling with Adam Weishaupt in July 1785.
He was allegedly struck by lightning and was found to have some papers sewn into his clothes, Including a list of members of the Illuminati.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
The footnote about this in that book says, quote, the circumstances are almost unbelievable and yet it really did happen.
Which, I mean, you're kind of being like, it definitely happened.
unidentified
Believe me.
dan friesen
I'm not sure.
jordan holmes
Now, let me say this.
I don't know a lot about the 18th century.
But I will say that when people were riding together in enclosed spaces, it was far less likely for someone to be struck by lightning and far more likely to murder somebody because there's no way to find out who's a murderer.
dan friesen
I do definitely think that there was some suspicion put on Weishaupt about it.
And also a lot of people being like, this was an act of God, clearly.
jordan holmes
Exactly!
dan friesen
It was an assassination by God.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So further, the citation provided for this in that book, The Perfectibilists, is to a book called The Illuminati by Rene Le Forestier, which uses a different name for the guy allegedly struck by lightning, which is something that this book has to deal with in another footnote.
I don't know.
None of this seems...
jordan holmes
I don't like it.
dan friesen
So here's the problem.
You have Alex, and he's saying that this is based on police reports from 1785.
unidentified
Sounds true.
dan friesen
Go fuck yourself.
He's acting like he's read these documents or whatever.
This is all fucking fantasy stuff.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But it's fun.
You know?
It is kind of fun.
jordan holmes
It is fun.
dan friesen
But if you're trying to prove your point, like, about politics by using stuff like this, you seem like an idiot.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You just seem like a real fucking idiot.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
This guy got struck by lightning and we found documents on him and that's how I know the globalists are gonna do COVID.
jordan holmes
I mean, okay.
Go fuck off.
I'm not saying that you can't have a long plan or a long-term plan, but if...
If having a plan that is 400 pages long, catching it is all you need to do to foil that plan, you've got way more problems with said plan.
dan friesen
And you don't need this shit.
This is fun, but you don't need this shit.
You're a prophet.
You're psychic.
We already know that.
You don't need a mysterious document that was found on a guy who got struck by lightning.
You already have the fantasy element covered.
You got it already.
You don't need to come up with some other bullshit explanation for why you have the information that you have.
You're psychic.
You do magic.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but you know, like, diminishing returns on saying you're a psychic.
You know, like, you can only say you're a psychic so many times.
dan friesen
I mean, you gotta just constantly remind people that you're interesting, or else you won't be.
I guess.
jordan holmes
I mean, yeah, why don't you...
unidentified
Because you've said that you've been there.
jordan holmes
He's even said he's remote-viewed shit from time to time.
dan friesen
We're going to get into remote viewing a little bit later.
jordan holmes
Oh, for God's sakes.
dan friesen
I'm sure that he has said that, but I don't remember.
I don't remember when, and so like...
jordan holmes
I'm not going to hold them to it.
dan friesen
We've talked about other remote viewers, and I'm worried that that might be bleeding into...
jordan holmes
The problem with it is everybody has their own specific definition, so they can say that everybody else who remote views isn't real.
dan friesen
We know that Alex is a psychic.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
We can leave it there.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Anyway, let's jump to the second, or the Tuesday, the 28th.
All right.
The show's about to begin.
Very severe.
The most important news that Alex has ever covered.
Of course, because it always is.
alex jones
So now what's the big news?
Well, in the last three months, the UK, Germany, France, Sweden, some of the other nations in NATO came out and said, we're going to start contributing troops directly to fight the Russians.
Now, that was already going on, but now they're increasing it.
France, of course, has sent troops publicly last month.
They were already there.
I know multiple people personally who have been in Ukraine off and on over the last five, six years and who in the last two and a half have been.
Gathering intelligence and directing artillery and missile attacks on the Russians.
There's U.S. troops there because I personally know two people and then I have an associate whose son is in Army Special Operations who has been there off and on in the last five years including in direct combat with the Russians.
dan friesen
I'm not sure.
I'm not sure.
We need more information on that before I'm going to buy any of it, because combat troops are not what anyone sent.
They've sent, like, advisors and military trainers to assist the Ukrainian troops, which is close, but it's also completely different than what Alex is saying.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's fudging some of these details because he's intensely pro-Russian.
And he takes every opportunity to paint the picture where Putin's the aggrieved party in the conflict.
Now, I do actually believe that there is a chance that he knows some people who have been fighting in Ukraine, regardless of what side they're on.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Because he employs, like, his head of security used to be in Blackwater.
Like, he has some connections to mercenary types.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, that's in his world.
jordan holmes
Again, we're all just fine with that.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So probably, if he knows anybody who's fighting over there, it's because they're like a gun for hire or something.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Private shit, not related to the U.S. military.
jordan holmes
Wild.
dan friesen
Yeah, so that I could believe.
I could see that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, I think my problem is I don't know enough about what 2024 war looks like.
You know what I mean?
Like, every now and again, whenever I see, like...
This is what it's like on the ground, you know?
It's like a few dudes with some drones and, like, tech and then phones and then stuff explodes, you know?
Like, I don't see a soldier going to war now as, like, the guy who's got a fucking rifle and who's walking towards other people.
There's gotta be.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That does exist.
jordan holmes
It has to exist, right?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's not like Tron.
I was trying to think of something futuristic.
jordan holmes
It is like Tron.
dan friesen
So Alex is very intense about this.
About the idea that obviously they're going to bring back the draft for everyone and Russia's going to nuke everybody.
And Russia is going to attack.
jordan holmes
Or...
dan friesen
Alex sets up this perfect scenario essentially.
Russia is going to attack or there's going to be a false flag.
So if there is an attack...
His bases are covered on that front.
He could say it's a false flag.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
If Russia doesn't attack, he can be like, hey, look at that restraint that Putin has.
He's resisting doing all these awful things because he's such a good leader.
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
He sets up a pretty good dynamic for him to be pro-Russian, but pretend he's not, basically.
alex jones
You have Stoltenberg, the head of NATO, last week saying, yes.
We're giving storm shadow missiles and other heavy cruise missiles to the Ukrainians, and we're directing them.
The Ukrainians aren't controlling those.
And we're going to start striking major Russian cities, including Russian strategic nuclear bomber bases.
Now, in military doctrine, when you start bombing somebody's strategic nuclear arsenals, that is a...
Absolute red line with the Russians, and they will go absolutely ape on the threat escalation ladder.
And I told you this a year ago, but now the Russians have officially said their Prime Minister, Mnidyev, and Putin have both said, we will start striking, that is, the Russians will start striking NATO bases in Europe.
And just watch, the Russians are going to do it.
And if they don't, Look for false flags to be blamed on the Russians.
So everybody's going out and drinking wine and going to the movies and going to see George Strait, and I get it.
jordan holmes
George Strait?
alex jones
I had some family recently invite me.
Hey, we got tickets.
George Strait's coming to Dallas.
jordan holmes
Okay, specific.
Gotcha.
alex jones
Let's have a barbecue, you know, swim in the pool, talk about old times.
And I just said, sorry, I can't do that.
jordan holmes
Nuclear war.
alex jones
I just, I'm watching everybody.
By the way, I love George Strait.
I saw him a couple years ago with Willie Nelson.
They've got that new convention center that's got incredible acoustics.
I'm talking myself into it right now.
Really, I'm mad at myself because I haven't packed up my wife and my children and moved to Montana in the middle of nowhere.
20 miles off of main road, dirt road.
I haven't even looked.
I haven't even found a place to go.
Stay out of nuclear war.
I mean, it's that serious.
It's a 50% chance, I would say right now, we're going to have a full nuclear war in the next year.
dan friesen
It's also serious, and that's why I went to Hawaii for two weeks.
jordan holmes
I mean.
dan friesen
Like a month ago.
Wow.
Yeah, I mean, come on, man.
Come off that shit.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
It's a little much.
jordan holmes
Jesus.
I would love to go see George Strait right now.
dan friesen
Right, right there.
jordan holmes
But nuclear war is coming.
dan friesen
I'm too serious.
jordan holmes
There is something...
Like, I appreciate that he...
Cleared that up that it was a specific story.
Because I do like the idea of a man who's just like, I see all you kids out there with your shorts, going to see movies, watching your George Strait conference.
unidentified
George Strait's big with the Gen Z. I was going to say, what's George Strait up to these days?
dan friesen
I think he's due to be in Amarillo by morning.
jordan holmes
I think he's about as old as Vic Vreeland at this point.
dan friesen
Probably.
George Strait, he has some hits.
Anyway, Alex is setting up this perfect scenario, wherein there is nothing wrong that Russia can do.
There's positive coverage that he can give of anything that happens.
If, you know, God forbid, there is some kind of a nuclear attack, that's a fucking false flag.
If Putin doesn't do anything, then it's just a demonstration of how much restraint for the sake of world peace Putin is showing.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's just setting the table, essentially, for whatever happens in the future to keep the editorial line the same.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, it's not confusing because it is a Barnum, you know, like anything that happens I saw coming.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
That kind of thing.
But the idea of Putin...
Is a strong person if he does these things, by which I mean explode and blow up everything, right?
That makes him a strong person, and so he would do that.
But if he has restraint, someone else will do that and blame it upon Putin, which is not a strong person thing to do, despite the action itself being identical.
dan friesen
You know, it's interesting.
Alex gave Trump an A +, and everyone else an F-.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
What does he give Putin?
jordan holmes
A +, blow up some more.
dan friesen
Imagine.
jordan holmes
Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
So we get to talking a bit about nuclear war, and Alex gets a little bit scary.
This is a little scary.
jordan holmes
I like it.
alex jones
Every war game, it leads directly to full nuclear war, and the Pakistanis are going to nuke India, India's going to nuke them, China's going to get involved.
The northern hemisphere will be unlivable.
Sure.
Hundreds of millions will die in the first 30 minutes of the nuclear war.
Whoever uses the tactical nukes first will then get hit back within 10 minutes.
Then the other side will start exchanging, and then the decision will be made that if you don't launch and commit everything, both on the U.S., NATO, slash Russia sides, that you'll be destroyed.
In the doctrine, you've got to then hit first.
dan friesen
Sure.
alex jones
And so, I wouldn't be surprised if the Russians decide to use nukes.
They'll just have their submarines in the Gulf of Mexico, the Atlantic and Pacific Ocean, pop up.
They're going to hit Kauai, because it's got the main nuke base there.
They're going to hit Oahu.
They call it the Big Island.
That's where everybody lives.
They're going to hit Los Angeles.
They're going to hit New York.
They're going to hit Houston.
They're going to hit Austin.
They're going to hit Dallas.
They're going to hit Detroit.
They're going to hit Chicago.
They're going to hit everything.
One of those submarines can destroy 50 cities.
dan friesen
We made the cut.
Chicago's getting nuked again.
jordan holmes
That's nice.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's nice to know.
dan friesen
I appreciate the thought, Alex.
Thank you.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
See, it's all just very, very scary.
jordan holmes
It's fun.
We were laughing about nuclear war on the plane.
No, no, no.
dan friesen
You were, and then you were explaining to me why you were.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I was laughing.
No, Annie Jacobson's new book about nuclear war is so fucking stupid.
I love it.
Because it's an accurate, like, this is what would happen in the first half hour if somebody does a bolt of the blue nuclear attack.
And it is funny because it's a lot of very practical solutions to problems that are entirely your own making.
Like there's all this like, oh, well, we didn't want to have too many people with the ability to launch a nuke.
That would be a bad idea.
We gave it all to one guy!
And we made sure he's the guy who wins popularity contests.
Ooh, it's a good idea.
Like, it's all brilliant.
And then the way they're all talking about it, it's just like, you're killing everybody.
What are you doing?
What are we doing?
Stop pretending that, no, we'll live it.
No, everybody's gonna die if you do any of this.
Stop it.
dan friesen
Look, I'm not, you know, and I'm not here to say that, you know, nuclear war isn't a scary option.
I think it is an awful thing, and it, you know, I don't mean to minimize it, but, you know, dwelling on this constant.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, listen, I understand that it seems bad, but it's just extinction.
Like, if nuclear war happens, everyone dies, right?
But then, like, a million years from now, there'll be some other people.
They'll be nice.
dan friesen
I think that most of folks would take issue with your word.
Just.
jordan holmes
It's just extinction.
dan friesen
Just might be.
jordan holmes
But like ants are pretty cool and maybe orcas will learn how to live deeper underwater and they'll be fine.
So then really it's the best thing for everybody.
dan friesen
All the earth needs to survive are ants and whales.
jordan holmes
Ants and killer whales is all we need.
dan friesen
So within 30 minutes we'll all be gone.
Pretty much everyone's going to be dead in 30 minutes.
alex jones
We'll all be dead in 30 minutes.
And hell, that's what God allows to happen.
You know, God curses a nation by giving them evil leaders.
And that's exactly where we are.
So I guess if we've got to be cleansed, I just hope they get, I just hope, you know, that they get King Charles and Bill Gates and, you know, the rest of them in the exchange.
And I just, it's very sad.
I wish, I wish we weren't going to be nuked.
I wish we all weren't going to die.
I mean, they already killed 22 million with the poison shots and growing.
I mean, they're not playing games, so...
The globalists want a nuclear war to get rid of the free society.
I think they've got enough technology warehouse, enough nuclear reactors to re-emerge after 20 years, which was a real Pentagon plan.
When you watch the movie Dr. Strangelove, dark satire, it's...
Really prescient.
dan friesen
Yeah, Dr. Strangelove is real.
Totally a documentary.
Absolutely real.
And here is how that happened.
Stanley Kubrick was a remote viewer.
jordan holmes
Oh, fucking hell.
dan friesen
You brought up remote viewing.
jordan holmes
Are you shitting me?
dan friesen
You remote viewed the future of this podcast.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
Just minutes later.
jordan holmes
Kubrick was a remote viewer?
dan friesen
Yeah, he was.
Here's Alex talking about it.
jordan holmes
All right.
alex jones
You know, the CIA visited.
Stanley Kubrick.
I remember my mom telling me about this, and I asked Vivian Kubrick, his favorite daughter, his protege.
That was true, and she said, yeah, that was true.
She told me everything.
jordan holmes
I buy it.
alex jones
She told me not to repeat most of it.
dan friesen
So shut up!
unidentified
It was very interesting.
alex jones
Trying to get Vivian to come on the show.
She listens every day.
jordan holmes
She told me not to repeat things.
alex jones
Her dad was a remote viewer.
That's the secret about Stanley Kubrick.
He didn't...
Faked the moon landing.
He didn't do any of that.
He was a remote viewer.
He was highly psychic.
jordan holmes
So he saw the moon landing?
alex jones
And he saw Eyes Wide Shut.
He saw...
unidentified
Dr. Strangelove.
dan friesen
Oh, boy.
So Dr. Strangelove is heavily inspired by a novel called Red Alert, which was written by a former pilot in the Royal Air Force named Peter George.
What Alex is talking about is the thing that is so real that is in Dr. Strangelove is Plan R, which is the idea that a military leader could disrupt the chain of command and order a nuclear strike without the president's authorization.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
That was an idea that was from this book.
It was a cautionary novel.
That oversight of that chain of command kind of thing.
Or maybe there's remote viewing.
I don't know.
That's possible.
jordan holmes
Could be.
dan friesen
Also, Eyes Wide Shut is based on an Austrian novel called Trom Novell, published in 1926.
Or maybe it was remote viewing.
jordan holmes
Now, and this could be something...
I'm going to throw this out there.
Maybe he likes to read.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
Yeah, there's these...
No, man.
Remote viewing.
jordan holmes
I don't think...
Now, if he did just like to read, I will admit that is a less exciting story that maybe doesn't involve you saying, like, she told me not to tell everybody all right.
He liked to read.
dan friesen
Hey, I wonder why she won't come on, because you keep talking shit about things she told you in private.
jordan holmes
Like, what are you talking about?
dan friesen
Of course you won't come on.
Also, though, think about it this.
Freak out.
What is remote viewing?
Other than your imagination while you're reading a book, you're remote viewing the thing that's in the book.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Your imagination is remote viewing to a fantasy world of all possibilities.
jordan holmes
I'm going to have to...
dan friesen
You remote viewed that book on nuclear war on the plane.
jordan holmes
I bought some pre-rolls.
unidentified
I'm going to need to go outside real quick, and then we can finish whatever you're talking about.
dan friesen
Yeah, let's stop down for a minute.
unidentified
Bubble, bubble, bubble.
dan friesen
Bong noise, bong noise.
unidentified
Bubble, bubble, bubble.
jordan holmes
Michael Winslow over here.
dan friesen
Just say the word.
jordan holmes
Police siren.
dan friesen
So, Alex himself.
Maybe not remote viewing.
Maybe not.
But he is definitely psychic.
And he's getting more psychic.
He's heard about his involvement in powers.
And so here's a little update on that.
alex jones
The CIA came to him and they said, how do you know the name of the plan to launch a nuclear war first on Russia?
Plan R, or whatever it was.
And how do you know about the radio scrambler encoders on the B-52 bombers?
And just like I know stuff, he just said, I know.
They put him under full surveillance and confirmed he was not talking to any intelligence agents.
He hid in the English countryside because he didn't dislike people.
He was so psychic, he just couldn't be around it because he could basically just pick up everything.
And I'm not that psychic, but I am.
I have that as well.
And as I get older, it actually gets stronger.
You know, they say, oh, children are more psychic.
Not in my experience.
I get more psychic by the day.
It's pretty scary, actually.
And I understand why a lot of people that have those powers drink because you want to suppress it.
With great knowledge comes great sorrow.
But I'm digressing.
She told me a lot more.
Really fascinating.
About the demonic attacks he was under.
dan friesen
Oh boy.
Stanley Kubrick's daughter told him about demonic attacks that he was under.
His wife led to the English countryside because he was too psychic and he was seeing too much stuff and Alex understands.
He gets it.
jordan holmes
So, man, you can't just make a good movie anymore.
dan friesen
Nope, you can't.
And listening to this...
Is kind of what I was talking about when you see him visually.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
You can see him putting pieces together.
jordan holmes
You're not really doing it.
Come on, buddy.
dan friesen
You're one person laughing in your face away from being like, well, maybe I'm not really saying.
jordan holmes
I'm getting more psychic by the day.
dan friesen
Come on.
jordan holmes
Tell me exactly how and what measuring stick you are using to go by day.
dan friesen
Sure, sure.
He has a psychic journal that he's been keeping for years.
jordan holmes
I think that's a smart thing to do.
dan friesen
It would be.
jordan holmes
Yeah, if you were psychic.
dan friesen
So Alex is nostalgic for the past, in a sense.
And that past was when we didn't have to worry about nuclear war all the time.
I guess he wants to go back.
alex jones
I mean, I'm really nostalgic for the last 20 years where nuclear war wasn't a big threat.
And I'm also, like, reverse grieving and grieving for the future, knowing, oh, my God, we blew it all up.
We destroyed ourselves, you bastards.
Let's get Planet of the Apes final scene coming in next segment.
unidentified
Damn you.
alex jones
Charlton Heston, what an awesome person.
jordan holmes
Damn you all to hell.
alex jones
I hate Hollywood.
I hate movie stars and stuff, the modern people.
But man, it wasn't that they just captured our attention back then and we were naive.
It was that there was just such better art and people really cared about quality, like the great Rod Serling.
And I just love the fact that I got to interview Charlton Heston a few times and talk to him on the phone quite a bit.
He was so classy.
dan friesen
Just a classy guy.
So classy.
It's kind of remarkable that the...
Best celebrities happen to be the ones who will talk to Alex.
jordan holmes
It is interesting how...
dan friesen
I fucking hate Hollywood unless they'll talk to me.
jordan holmes
Everybody is like, ah, these people are the worst.
They do all this horrible stuff.
This guy says nice things about me.
Charlton Heston can do all of the horrible things that Alex doesn't like that other people do.
But Charlton Heston called him a couple of times.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Super cool.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You gotta do that stuff to fit in with the Hollywood.
I understand.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Now, I don't do that stuff because I'm too real to fit in with the Hollywood people.
But of course, Charlton Heston's gotta fit in with the Hollywood people.
That makes sense.
But because he said nice things about me, I won't say mean things about him.
dan friesen
Sure.
One of the best actors and one of the classiest dudes ever.
So if you think about classy people, you probably end up thinking about your grandparents.
Because they're older and more cultured and refined.
Now, here's what's funny.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Calm down.
Here's what's funny.
Alex is trying to talk about how classy his grandparents were.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And he can't think of a single fucking specific of anything.
So he's like, they liked art and literature.
jordan holmes
Oh my god.
Jesus Christ.
alex jones
He reminds me of my grandparents who were just classy and real and cool.
And had good will and were proud of the fact that they were good, decent, smart, well-read people.
And I look at the modern leftists who have no idea what planet they're even on, and they think they're intellectual, they think they're smart, and the statistics show they're the most ignorant, insular, shuttered individuals.
I mean, both my grandparents, both sides of the family, were reading history books and literature and culture and Just culture?
unidentified
Just culture.
alex jones
They were reading writings of, you know...
jordan holmes
General culture.
alex jones
Cleon Skelton and...
What?
jordan holmes
Oh, my God!
alex jones
All of them.
Or Cleon Skelton.
dan friesen
Whoops.
alex jones
And...
But also reading the Communist Manifesto, and I just look at how we're rotting.
And I just ask myself, I mean, how long are we really going to be here?
dan friesen
How long do we have left when no one reads history and literature and art and Cleon Skelton?
jordan holmes
It is just so much like that.
That, like, epitome of, you can just say these things.
dan friesen
Yeah, he couldn't think of a single fucking book.
unidentified
Nope.
dan friesen
He couldn't think of a single, like, piece of art.
He couldn't think of anything that would actually denote some kind of an actual engagement with literature, with culture, with history.
jordan holmes
Do you know what's interesting is that there's some literature specifically about people like him.
dan friesen
Oh, yeah?
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
In fact, there's one book, maybe one of the most famous in all of American literature, about a guy.
Confederacy of Dunces?
dan friesen
Is that what you were thinking of?
jordan holmes
No, but you know what?
Might as well be.
dan friesen
Sure.
What were you thinking of?
jordan holmes
You know, that whole Gatsby one.
dan friesen
Oh, sure.
jordan holmes
Superficial people.
dan friesen
So, Gatsby.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
He said a lot of good things.
jordan holmes
He was very classy.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He was a classy dude.
dan friesen
Quotable.
jordan holmes
He loved literature.
dan friesen
He did.
Yeah.
So Gatsby is not as quotable as someone else.
unidentified
Uh-uh.
dan friesen
That's Thomas Jefferson.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
This is a fabulous universe we live in.
And Thomas Jefferson said he was asked by a newspaper reporter to actually research and actually found the original article or scans of the National Archives.
And he's asked by a newspaper reporter.
What is the level of tyranny people will accept?
And he said the level of tyranny you will accept is the level...
It is unlimited, basically.
He said it's unlimited.
It's all up to the individual they'll put up with.
They'll always be a tyrant willing to go further, commit greater crimes, do more evils that'll replace the last group.
That's why evil just always intensifies when good men do nothing.
And that's the quote.
All that evil men and tyrants need to flourish is that good men do nothing.
That's in that newspaper article.
But he explains it there.
And it's totally true.
That it's like a survival of the most evil.
When good people lay down, evil just gets more sophisticated, more bold, more crazy.
And like cancer, it doesn't know when to quit.
It will push until it even destroys itself.
dan friesen
So we've talked about this a bunch, but that's not a Thomas Jefferson quote.
That is Frederick Douglass.
Interestingly, in this telling of the story, Alex is adding in that fake newspaper interview with Jefferson.
He's adding into it that that's where all it takes for evil to succeed is good men doing nothing.
That quote is from there, which is total bullshit.
Complete bullshit.
That quote is typically attributed to Edmund Burke, but it's actually a misattribution.
Researchers don't know exactly the source of where that started, but one of the most likely roots is John Stuart Mill, who said, quote, Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends than that good men should look on and do nothing.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Which is pretty damn close.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's close enough.
dan friesen
Everything Alex just said in that clip.
Is made up.
Everything.
He's making up quotes, attributing them to different people, lying about finding this interview with Jefferson where he says all this stuff, and he's doing all of it because it doesn't matter.
The truth or falsity of what he's saying has no relationship to the feeling that he's trying to convey to the audience, and the feeling is what's important.
This is a vibe thing.
jordan holmes
It is very much like it requires a true ignorance.
And a willful desire to harm other people.
To, like, look at a guy who owns people and go, all that good men doing nothing is what leads to horrors.
Now I am going to go rape my slave real quick.
Good men doing nothing.
dan friesen
Alex definitely found that newspaper article.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'm sure it was real.
I'm sure it was real.
dan friesen
So he goes on to make up some more stuff.
alex jones
Do you know what 350 million people, half of which are lazy dumbasses, will do when the EBT cards get turned off?
There are estimates by major universities that between 7 and 11 million people starved to death or died of malnutrition from 1929 to 1940 in the United States.
When the globals were consolidating power and control, it was all staged.
It's come out in Congress.
Those that don't know.
Eighty-something percent of people, it varies in the numbers, 85, 90 percent were rural in 1929.
And around half of them were self-sufficient farms and ranches.
So seven-plus million people starved to death in the Great Depression conservatively, that's the low number, with close to half the population being completely self-sufficient.
dan friesen
So good to know that it came out in Congress that the Great Depression was a false flag.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'm confused by that one.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
All those Hoovervilles.
dan friesen
You just get to say anything came out in Congress and congressional record and whatever.
You could just point to it and be like...
Good luck.
Find it.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
When does it matter or not matter that it's in the congressional record?
dan friesen
Everything is, and it's all been proven.
jordan holmes
God damn it.
dan friesen
So Alex is just making up all these numbers?
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
The population wasn't 80 or 85% rural in 1929.
That's fucking absurd.
You can find the actual census data, and in 1920, the population was 48.8% rural, and in 1930, it was 43.9.
jordan holmes
Alex...
dan friesen
Just gets to get away with the riffing and making up whatever he wants to tell his audience while pretending to be some kind of psychic prophet because he helps them feel the way that they want to feel, which is mostly scared and justified in their underlying bigotries.
So none of this shit matters.
None of it matters.
Just make up whatever the fuck you want as long as it satisfies the vibe that you need and the feeling that the audience wants to feel.
jordan holmes
It is like, you know...
But like an open Mike Eagles line of just like, they all just want to say the N-word.
That's all it is, you know?
There's a certain amount of this that is like, he is just inventing new ways to say, don't we all wish it was whites only again?
dan friesen
I mean, there's an element of that in there.
jordan holmes
Isn't that kind of what we're listening to?
unidentified
But...
dan friesen
Even if you think that, you should know that during the Great Depression, Alex's family spent a lot of time feeding poor people.
jordan holmes
I strongly doubt that.
dan friesen
And many of them happened to be black.
Which Alex brings up, but not as a virtue signal.
alex jones
And the Great Depression that hit Texas really bad because of the Dust Bowl in Oklahoma, my family was...
Pretty much aristocracy.
They were the wealthier people.
Hell, my family owned a railroad.
Now, it was a limited railroad from Teague, Texas to Fort Worth and then over to Frisco, but they owned a railroad.
And, of course, you can see how for a few generations that all got pissed away.
But they...
They lost most of what they had in the Great Depression, and they were rich.
And they knew how to skin a buck and run a trot line.
Now, and they took care of a lot of people, but by the end of the Great Depression, my grandmother told me, her mother told her about it, because she was born back then, but was little.
And there was a magnolia tree, right, at the one ranch house that hadn't collapsed, that's planted by her grandmother.
So it's like 150 years old now.
Big giant, biggest magnolia you've ever seen.
But the point is, is that after 10 years of depression, there were almost no deer, no rabbits, no squirrels, and they were eating possums.
And during the Depression, a couple days a week, they would put on a big feed in the backyard for 50 to 100 people to come eat for free.
And this isn't some leftist virtue signal.
Most of them were black.
But that's how America operated.
And that's how America survived.
unidentified
What?
alex jones
For close to a decade.
My family sold land and everything they had so they could feed poor people.
There wasn't welfare.
There wasn't soup kitchens unless you were in big cities.
The reason I tell those interesting stories is they're really interesting.
dan friesen
That is.
I mean, it is interesting to tell interesting stories.
Now, here's something I think is interesting.
I just imagine...
Let's pretend everything you're saying is true.
alex jones
Sure.
dan friesen
Alex's family is rooted in a tradition of selling off land in order to be able to feed people who are undergoing hardship and difficulty who couldn't get food on their own.
What would they think of Alex eating his neighbor?
Like, isn't that completely incongruous with what should be his family values?
Isn't he, like, really dishonoring his ancestors by eating his neighbor, barbecuing a human in order to feed his children?
jordan holmes
I mean, he is his neighbor.
So, or he is his ancestor.
dan friesen
Yeah, you'd think that they would really be pissed off about his whole cannibalism thing.
jordan holmes
You would assume.
Or he's lying.
dan friesen
Oh, yeah, maybe.
jordan holmes
And those people that he described as Confederate royalty very shortly after the end of the Civil War.
Complete uselessness of Reconstruction decided to change tack entirely and become purveyors of free food!
dan friesen
It seems entirely unlikely and almost unbelievable.
jordan holmes
It does seem unbelievable.
dan friesen
But I just think that there's this strange world that you're expected to believe exists.
If you listen to Alex, where for ten years people sold their...
Like, the shirt off their back to help their friend or neighbor.
unidentified
Totally.
dan friesen
And everyone got together, and that's how we survived.
And also, in ten days, everyone's a cannibal.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, what are you doing?
What the fuck is going on here?
jordan holmes
No, it is that same, like...
There is...
I feel like it is a...
What would you call it?
Like an elite panic thing.
You know, because it was also in Jacobson's book, that idea of like, oh, once the power structures are gone, people go crazy, and without a strong government, people are going to eat each other, and society will tear around itself.
And it is like, no.
That's because you people are crazy.
Everybody else will be like, we gotta survive this somehow, so I guess I'll help you.
dan friesen
I think...
I don't know.
I don't want to put numbers on it because it's the way that Alex does things.
A massive majority of people are going to respond by helping each other and trying to look out for one another.
jordan holmes
It happens all the time.
dan friesen
But that does not mean that there won't be small patches of people like Alex who might eat some butter.
jordan holmes
I mean, that's the thing.
It is crazy to listen to all of these fucking lunatics talk nonsense whenever it is like, we can watch disasters occur and how people behave.
Right now.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Right now, people are not eating each other where there was an earthquake.
People are not eating each other.
They're all just like, hey, how can I help your kid?
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
You know?
It's fucking insane.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So I'm going to skip a couple clips here because it's just really, you know, sort of driving home the point that Alex hates the Gaza protesters.
And then also, apparently, the Amish are the only people who are ready for what's coming because...
jordan holmes
That does sound true.
dan friesen
They don't vaccinate and then they have their own field.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And stuff.
But we have to get to...
To the major event, I would say, of what happens on the 28th, and that is that Alex has Steve Bannon on.
Oh, God.
And so the two of them get together for a little bit of a bowl session.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
Well, Trump is his own man and is incredible and has boundless energy and is truly an American titan.
And if he can win this election and defeat the deep state, he will be as great a man as George Washington.
George III, whenever President Washington became the president and not a king, said George Washington is the greatest man alive in the world today.
jordan holmes
Do you think he did?
alex jones
Well, if Trump can do this, and if we can back him to do it, he will be in George Washington territory, and no one else is even close.
Now, that said, Trump's his own man, but if anybody was the impetus and the brain, Behind so much, it's Stephen K. Bannon and his war room.
dan friesen
This is so funny.
I mean, like, just the turnaround on Bannon is so hilarious.
Like, flashback to Alex and Roger Stone screaming about how Bannon's a pile of shit.
jordan holmes
He's a fucking monster.
dan friesen
He's a globalist.
jordan holmes
He betrayed everything any of us stood for.
He's a fucking, he's a deep state guy.
dan friesen
Yeah, no, it's like, he's the best.
jordan holmes
He's almost George Washington.
dan friesen
Yeah, he might as well be.
He's like George Washington's, what's the, aide-de-camp.
That's the word that Alex would use for people.
I like calling people aides to camp.
Yeah, so we're not going to listen to a ton of Steve Bannon.
It's kind of a brief appearance, and he may be going to jail.
unidentified
Good!
dan friesen
So we'll see about that.
jordan holmes
I mean, for which crimes, you know?
dan friesen
Not for contempt of Congress, I believe, because he didn't respond to a subpoena.
Fine.
And his appeal was denied.
jordan holmes
Oh, was it?
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, I think he has a couple of points that I thought were pretty interesting, though.
And this is one that he hits a few times.
And it is that, look, if Trump gets convicted, people are going to say he's a convicted felon.
jordan holmes
Yes, they will.
dan friesen
And we need to get ready for that.
jordan holmes
On account of the things that he's done.
dan friesen
Yes.
So we've got to worry about that.
jordan holmes
Okay.
unidentified
We're in the red zone.
steve bannon
We're in the red zone five or six months out, and everybody's got to come together, and I agree with you.
jordan holmes
Put away your hobbies.
The country's on the line.
steve bannon
The republic's on the line, and this is the biggest inflection point.
This is the fourth great turning in American history, and baby, it's all on the line right now.
And wait, this Friday night, if that jury comes back with guilty, you're going to have the White House just go full on convicted felon, convicted felon, convicted felon, and try to steal the second election from President Trump and the population.
unidentified
Steve, continue.
alex jones
I mean, the stakes, and I'm not trying to repeat what you said in that interview, but just give them the fire, the brimstone, because you are dead on.
People better get, this is the big one, this is the time to get up off our asses.
And I'm not bitching at the audience.
I know there's someone active, but we've got to get really active.
steve bannon
You're the first person, years ago, that brought up the concept of controlled opposition.
People didn't really know what it was because it comes from a very detailed analysis of the Frankfurt School of political warfare.
jordan holmes
I hate both of you so much.
steve bannon
You brought up this concept, Alex, a decade ago, and what controlled opposition is, is the Republican Party.
dan friesen
So now you can see why Bannon's and Alex's good graces, because that kind of flattery will go a long ways.
jordan holmes
Oh my God.
dan friesen
A long ways.
But yeah, I mean, like, why wouldn't...
If you're running in an election against someone who gets convicted of a felony, why wouldn't you be like, this guy just got convicted of a felony?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I mean, not to say that everybody who's convicted of a felony is bad, but you're in a political campaign.
Of course you're going to do that.
unidentified
Bannon, I mean, I guess it's the thinnest.
dan friesen
Broth for a compliment, but he sees it coming.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, I keep thinking of it, like, I keep going back to Alex's own word, like, God gives bad people bad leaders, and I'm like, man, that's something that somebody who votes for a fucking idiot would say.
dan friesen
And who thinks an idiot is George Washington.
jordan holmes
It can't possibly be my own fault that this guy's a fucking idiot.
It's got to be God.
dan friesen
So Bannon has another point that I actually kind of, I think, is more interesting than it comes off at first.
And that's in this clip.
steve bannon
And what they're doing is taking their time to take back these institutions that they actually can take back.
This is what the globalists have never wanted as involvement.
unidentified
And my point...
steve bannon
On these interviews is that that is the people that had the ability to do it, the clubbable Chamber of Commerce in the Republican Party in the National Review.
unidentified
They weren't tough enough.
steve bannon
They didn't have the balls to sit there and go, I don't care if you call me a racist.
dan friesen
I don't care if you call me a nativist or a xenophobe.
jordan holmes
I don't care what you call me.
What you think about me does not matter.
unidentified
What matters is my country.
dan friesen
What matters is my family.
steve bannon
What matters is my children and my community.
jordan holmes
And I'm going to fight you every inch of the way.
unidentified
And that's what we've seen.
And that's what's had Trump's back.
Remember, this is why the only tool they got is two things.
jordan holmes
They got lawfare and to steal the election.
unidentified
Lawfare and to steal the election.
dan friesen
So I think that there's something very fascinating in there.
Because what he's saying is more or less, we've always wanted racist policies.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But we really didn't like being called racist.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And so the innovation of Trump and now all of this is we don't care.
Call me a racist.
If that's what it takes for me to invoke racist policies, fine.
I don't give a shit.
That's kind of what's behind what he's saying.
And I think that that's kind of an accurate assessment of the way that this feels different.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, it does remove the brilliance.
I would say of those early people, you know, they were like, oh, it's going to be unpopular and probably harm us if we are outwardly seen as being racist.
So we'll learn the language of non-racism.
Use that, teach each other that language, and then still say racist things using that language so we can get away with it in real society.
Then whenever everybody realizes how much bullshit and a waste of time this is, everybody will just go, fuck it, let's be racists.
dan friesen
And that's the point I think that Bannon's at.
jordan holmes
Right, that's where he's at.
dan friesen
He's describing that turn.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but they had to do the learning of the non-racist language to get to this point.
dan friesen
I do think that's probably true.
jordan holmes
If you guys had just...
If you had been yourselves, then we would have stomped you out whenever people had the courage to beat the shit out of you.
dan friesen
Ideally, you wouldn't have gotten to this point.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
But then we let him go.
dan friesen
So anyway, Bannon's there, and he's gone.
Who cares?
Because what comes next, I just don't even know how to describe.
I was listening to it, and I'm like, this is going on for quite a while.
unidentified
Uh-oh.
dan friesen
Alex plays that song, We Want Your Soul.
You know that song?
alex jones
No.
dan friesen
It's like a British DJ.
It was a hit from like the early 2000s.
jordan holmes
Okay, okay.
dan friesen
And so he plays that.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
And he plays the whole thing.
jordan holmes
He just plays it for a while.
unidentified
We want your soul.
alex jones
Not for sale.
And it is in the conflict with evil that we discover who we are.
You want to be a superhero, folks?
Join Jesus.
unidentified
Become persecuted.
alex jones
Not as a victim, but as an overcomer.
A man is known by his enemies.
Bring it back up.
unidentified
Here's popcorn.
Here's magazines.
Here's milkshake.
Here's blue jeans.
Here's padded bars.
Here's armpit.
Here's football.
Here's baseball caps.
Here's life.
alex jones
Everything they sell you is dead.
Everything they promote is to hurt you.
unidentified
Here's all night long.
alex jones
Here's their credit.
unidentified
Here's all night long.
alex jones
They will not people the stars.
They will not go interdimensional.
They will fall away.
If the situation was hopeless, their propaganda would not be necessary.
unidentified
We want your soul.
alex jones
Your soul.
unidentified
Your cell phone.
dan friesen
Your world.
unidentified
Your time.
Your ideas.
No barcode.
No party.
No ID.
No beers.
jordan holmes
Your bank card.
unidentified
They're raping us.
alex jones
You're being raped by the New World Order.
But they are failing on every front.
Their UN treaties are failing.
Their leaders are reviled and hated.
Their system will achieve dominance for today.
But it will fall the minute it takes control.
They win in the third quarter.
We win.
jordan holmes
What are you talking about?
alex jones
Not bad!
Just stop!
What is happening?
unidentified
What is still going on?
alex jones
I give myself freely to God.
And I want to transcend.
And I will transcend.
I have transcended.
jordan holmes
Alright.
unidentified
Don't...
alex jones
I've got...
I covered three stacks.
I've got 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24. 24 stacks!
I haven't hit!
dan friesen
Get down to business then, man!
jordan holmes
I just...
unidentified
I'm glad he's having fun.
dan friesen
That didn't sound that fun.
jordan holmes
I will!
dan friesen
It's not as fun as with the country music.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
dan friesen
This sounded almost a little ominous.
But also, just imagine the visual of his eyes darting around the room.
Watching this is such a bizarre thing.
I'd forgotten that in not watching him for a while.
Coming back, it hit me really fresh.
Just how stupid this is.
jordan holmes
I mean...
That is a fun...
You just can't do that in other jobs.
It's like having your own band.
Having your own backing band.
James Brown has power because anything he says, he can just be like, ah, hit me!
And then sting it and then you've got nothing.
You can't fight back a sting.
dan friesen
No, there's nothing.
The whole thing is going too long.
jordan holmes
Way too long.
dan friesen
There's no point.
He feels like he's going to get to a point, and he doesn't get to a point.
Then the music fades.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Music goes out.
I want to transcend.
I will transcend.
jordan holmes
I have transcended.
dan friesen
Wow.
jordan holmes
I mean, they're...
unidentified
Oh, just amazing.
Yeah.
dan friesen
You have to waste so much time.
jordan holmes
You do.
dan friesen
Such filler.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So anyway, some more filler.
Alex spends a fair amount of time talking about how everyone loves him now.
The media was trying to demonize him and it has all failed.
alex jones
Five years ago, man, I got attacked every time I went out in public.
I'd shake 20, 30 hands and then somebody'd slap me in the back of the head or dump coffee on my face or say they want to kill my family.
It happens like once a year now for two years.
I've been confronted three times in two years.
And baby, everybody says, oh, we hope you got great security.
I do some of the grocery shopping.
jordan holmes
What?
alex jones
I go to church.
I go to the gym.
I pump my gas.
I'm a regular guy.
And man, all I get is cars driving by honking and yelling.
So again, the New World Order has done everything they can to demonize me and attack me and say I'm the devil.
And it's done the complete opposite.
Not because I'm some great person, but because people know the government and the corporate media is out to get them and is their enemy.
That's the good news here.
jordan holmes
Is that what?
alex jones
Roger Stone gets hunted in Florida.
He lives in liberal Palm Beach, just north of Miami.
He used to get attacked every day.
People beat his wife up.
Beat his wife up in a little apartment they've got.
Beat her up, everything.
Now he gets attacked once a month.
dan friesen
Look, I know that this is all nonsense, but it's still a lot to get attacked once a month.
jordan holmes
It is a lot.
That's a lot.
I have not been attacked maybe once in my entire life.
dan friesen
No, imagine talking to somebody and they're like, well, it's down to once a month I'm getting attacked.
Yeah.
You gotta get that down lower.
You gotta get lower than that.
jordan holmes
And here's what I thought of.
I thought of how much fun it would be.
I don't want anybody to die.
But it would be fun if we had like a catch and release hunting Roger Stone program.
Where hunters would go to Florida.
dan friesen
Sort of like flag football.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
They'd go to Florida and then all of a sudden there'll be like a little...
And then there'll be a spot on Roger Stone and be like, ah, I got him!
Two points.
You know?
I like that.
dan friesen
See, I think that still counts as, like, assault or something, so let's not do that.
unidentified
I agree.
jordan holmes
I'm not saying we should do it.
I'm just saying.
unidentified
It'd be fun.
dan friesen
You can turn bird watching into, like, if you can get a shot of Roger Stone.
This turns into stalking, too, so this is no good.
jordan holmes
No, hunting is usually a bad thing all around.
Unless you're eating.
dan friesen
There's a great section on that guy's website of him feeding Roger Stone bacon.
Alex's old webmaster.
jordan holmes
See, now, that's...
Content I'm looking for.
dan friesen
So Alex talks quite a bit about how everyone loves him.
Sure.
This really confused me.
This clip was really confusing.
alex jones
There's nowhere I'd rather be.
I feel so good, even though things are terrible, because I'm where God wants me to be.
The Holy Spirit is aligned with me right now.
And that's where I stay.
And I even entertain selling out, which I would never do, but I war game it.
I can't help that.
And I go, oh, Holy Spirit goes away.
Oh, no, no, no.
We don't even think about ever selling out.
We don't even ever get there because, oh, wait, wait, wait, wait.
No, sir.
Okay, I won't even entertain it.
Even though I wasn't entertaining it, the entertaining it is entertaining it.
So the minute I start thinking about selling out, God starts pulling out.
unidentified
I don't know.
alex jones
So we are already over the precipice.
dan friesen
We're over the precipice, man.
Does he think about selling out God or not?
jordan holmes
No!
But I mean, thinking about it is thinking about it.
dan friesen
You cannot think about it.
jordan holmes
Well, thinking about it right now, thinking about thinking about it is thinking about it.
dan friesen
But it can't do that either.
jordan holmes
I mean, you're thinking about what you're thinking about, which is thinking about it.
dan friesen
Better not.
jordan holmes
Okay, well then I believe you.
dan friesen
But then I am thinking about thinking about that.
jordan holmes
I think your virtue signaling is important.
dan friesen
This is so dumb.
jordan holmes
Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
I feel like if I were listening to this, I would be concerned.
If I were listening to this, I'd just be like, okay man, you're dealing with something.
jordan holmes
It is strange to listen to a man complain about a lot of things that he could suddenly just stop doing.
He could just be like, I am done!
And then those problems are gone.
dan friesen
No, because I think a lot of the problems come from him being so psychic.
And he can't do that.
jordan holmes
You know, I hear a lot of psychics drink for that reason.
dan friesen
That's what Alex said earlier.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that is kind of what he said.
dan friesen
So look, Alito.
jordan holmes
Uh-huh.
unidentified
Cool.
dan friesen
Sure.
Flew that American flag upside down.
jordan holmes
That's so funny.
dan friesen
It's so cool and good for a Supreme Court justice.
Alex likes it.
jordan holmes
So fucking funny.
dan friesen
Yeah.
alex jones
If you promote freedom and have a free hand to do it, we'll win, easy, without firing a shot.
But our enemies are going to make us fire a shot.
So let's do it in the information war now and be willing to be attacked and lied about, which is a blessing.
I mean, that's the big secret of the Republican wimps.
The Blue Bloods.
Because they were picked because they're lawyers and scummy families and sell-out scoundrels.
jordan holmes
People who owned railroads.
alex jones
And they're literally scared of a New York Times article.
They're scared of a Washington Post article.
They're scared of CNN talking about them.
It's an honor that Supreme Court Justice Alito...
Had his wife fly a flag upside down and say, America's in crisis.
That's a good thing to be attacked by the New York Times.
That's a good thing to have the enemy not like you.
You want that.
It's not just like, oh, you can handle it.
You can take it.
My God!
I can't even buy dinner for myself or lunch at any restaurant.
Most of the time, somebody buys it for me.
They send over drinks.
I'm like, no, I'm not drinking.
Everywhere I go.
All over the United States.
New York, Florida, Hawaii, North Texas, Austin.
jordan holmes
All five states.
alex jones
It's not about, oh, I'm cool, people buy my dinner.
The point is, I don't pay for my dinner most of the time.
Oh, this guy just paid for your dinner.
This person just paid for your lunch.
unidentified
This person just paid for your lunch.
alex jones
I was in Hawaii.
Oh, God.
unidentified
And...
alex jones
Almost every meal was paid for by somebody else.
Great.
dan friesen
People are buying you meals.
jordan holmes
People, stop buying him meals.
He clearly doesn't need it.
Why do rich people always buy rich people stuff?
Don't buy rich people things.
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't know.
I think this might be an embellishment.
Alex feels good.
The world loves him.
People like Alito need to not be worried about the The attacks that are going to come.
They can't be afraid of Fox News.
They can't be afraid of CNN and the New York Times.
Can't be afraid of a podcast.
jordan holmes
I really like the true power.
Their power that we will never have or understand is the ability to say, these are the rules, right?
And then get mad at you when you don't follow them.
But then also get mad at you when you do follow them, but then also never follow those rules.
dan friesen
That's really the key to success.
jordan holmes
Like, you know, I'm fine if a flag upside down is bad.
Or not bad.
I don't think it matters in any direction.
I think we're all being very silly if flags matter.
Fine.
That's fine, but if you believe in flags, and you're a flag person who believes flags or whatever, you're a symbols person, you think...
That it's wrong to do the flag upside down.
Fine.
But then you have to always think that.
You can't sometimes not think that.
dan friesen
Well, I think that there's a way to.
jordan holmes
That's their power.
That's the power.
I don't have that power.
There's no way for me to do that.
dan friesen
I think that if you're somebody who's a private citizen who's got a flagpole out front of their house, which I know does exist because...
The house my friends used to live at when I was like 18, 19 had a flagpole out front for some weird reason.
jordan holmes
Oh my god.
dan friesen
If you have a flagpole and you fly the flag upside down, I don't think it matters.
That's a symbol and that's whatever.
Sure.
unidentified
If you're a Supreme Court justice, I think it matters.
jordan holmes
I mean, what could it...
How could...
dan friesen
I do think it matters.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
No, no, no.
It matters because the essential thing being expressed is...
I am going to turn this country upside down.
I hate the country that I am in control of.
That's what he's saying!
dan friesen
In that, what you just said, you reveal the reason it matters.
It's because of the power.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
But then, if that's why it matters, we can't talk about it.
You get to go fuck that guy up and shoot him into space.
We can't say, allegedly, no.
No, we can't say maybe his wife for a reason.
No.
dan friesen
We need another process than fucking someone up and putting him into space.
jordan holmes
No, there's no other process.
If you're a Supreme Court justice that flies a flag upside down, I hate this country.
Then we all have to do a thing.
dan friesen
We need to figure out a process.
jordan holmes
We can't talk about it.
We cannot talk about it.
There needs to be an automatic thing that happens.
Supreme Court justice flies a flag upside down, gets hit by a meteor.
End of story.
dan friesen
Lightning bolt while he's traveling with Adam Whitehead.
So look, we may not come to an agreement on this, but Alex is talking a lot about how everyone loves him.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
It's just flooding.
jordan holmes
Buy his meals.
dan friesen
Free meals all over the place.
jordan holmes
Can't buy a meal.
dan friesen
And that is really how everything is, except for one very severe and totally real incident that happened.
unidentified
Oh.
alex jones
But I've not had a Jovian experience.
It's been rough.
It's not been fun, some of it.
Job lost his family and everything, and then God gave it all back to him.
Me, I get to sit here in real time.
jordan holmes
That's how families work.
alex jones
Because I guess God knows I'm a wimp compared to Job.
It's like, dude, you get it instantly.
God comes in every time.
I'm just like, it's gotten ridiculous for him.
It's like, well, God, there's a giant door just slammed in my face.
I just got really persecuted.
Some leptis just pointed a gun at me driving down the highway because they saw it was Alex Jones at the red light.
That happened a few weeks ago.
Hadn't told you that yet.
So it's been a few things.
jordan holmes
Just kept that one under the hood?
alex jones
I just said, I love you, when he was pointing the gun at me.
And I just didn't call the police, just kept driving the red light, turned green, just ignored it.
I was like, F you, gun pointed at me.
White guy, liberal, little chicken, that guy.
And I was like, man, if this guy shoots me right now, man, that'll really hurt the new lawyer.
I was just like, hmm.
And when I wasn't scared, when he was pointing the gun at me, he went...
And I went, mm-hmm.
You haven't figured it out, have you?
jordan holmes
Oh, for God's sakes.
This is totally a 100% true story.
alex jones
You haven't figured it out that I am 100% absolutely committed to this.
If they swap to me tomorrow and threw me in irons, I'm not happy about it.
I want to do it with my family.
But I know the minute I'm in that solitary confinement and jail cell, it's being paid forward for my family, and God's going to take care of them.
And now I've reached the level of my ancestors.
Now I'm a badass.
Like ancestors in the main war in Texas.
In the main battles.
I never talk about it because it would sound like bragging.
I mean, those are people.
I want to be like them.
Like Niles Barkley says in that great song.
We'll probably play that song here in a minute.
dan friesen
We probably will.
I love the, like, I wouldn't tell you these things because it would sound like bragging.
Smash cut to him talking incessantly about his ancestors who were in Texas.
Go fuck yourself.
jordan holmes
Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
So yeah, he thinks of this Gnarls Barkley song.
jordan holmes
I mean, there's such a reverence, you know.
Just, if they put me in irons, I'll die for this cause.
It reminds me of this Gnarls Barkley song.
dan friesen
It's elevated.
It's serious.
jordan holmes
It is tough.
dan friesen
And yeah, definitely that happened with the guy and the gun.
jordan holmes
Totally.
100% happened.
100% totally a thing that happened that Alex did not tell anyone.
For weeks at a time.
Which is a thing we all know Alex does.
dan friesen
He's good at keeping things under his hat.
Keeps a secret!
He's definitely not the sort of person who would probably press charges.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no, no.
Definitely not.
dan friesen
I don't believe this.
I don't believe it either.
I do think that if it did happen, the guy showed him his voter registration card so he could tell that he was a liberal.
jordan holmes
It's nice of everybody in Alex's orbit to clearly delineate their political affiliation before taking action.
dan friesen
I'm a liberal, here's a gun.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
Because then he can contextualize that action.
dan friesen
I thought liberals hated guns.
jordan holmes
See, because they let him know they were a liberal in advance, then he was allowed to not care about them holding a gun.
You know what I'm saying?
dan friesen
Because they're too soft to shoot.
jordan holmes
Because they're too soft to shoot.
Yeah.
dan friesen
So anyway, Gnarls Barkley.
jordan holmes
What about him?
dan friesen
Alex plays the whole song.
jordan holmes
The whole song.
The whole song.
dan friesen
And we're not going to sit through the whole song this time.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But I'm just going to play a little clip of him muttering through it.
jordan holmes
Him muttering through CeeLo Green and DJ Danger Mouse.
Okay.
unidentified
Damn right.
Maybe I'm crazy.
Maybe you're crazy.
alex jones
Maybe I'm crazy.
unidentified
Possibly.
Probably.
Woo!
dan friesen
Whole song.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
He does also gesture to take the camera off himself, so it's just playing like a B-roll.
jordan holmes
A kaleidoscope.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Basically.
jordan holmes
Great.
alex jones
Great.
dan friesen
So who knows?
Maybe he was drinking.
Maybe he was...
Who knows?
unidentified
If...
jordan holmes
Okay.
I'm going to say this to you.
If you were so publicly...
And repetitively and stridently insistent that being thrown in irons and put in solitary confinement is fine.
And you would be like, I miss my family, but I will die for my cause, right?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
If you were doing that, I would hire people to do that to you.
Just to be like, yeah, let's see what happens.
I'm going to call your bluff, right?
I don't understand how that does not happen to Alex.
dan friesen
What?
Someone arrest him?
jordan holmes
Somebody should call his bluff!
Not arrest him.
Hire one of those...
unidentified
Hire actors to fake arrest him?
jordan holmes
Who fake kidnap people.
There are services that fake kidnap people.
I want to fake kidnap Alex Jones.
dan friesen
I think the issue with that is that, as we've experienced from being around him when we went to the trial, he's surrounded by mercenary security.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
Now, I will say...
They don't particularly care, though.
dan friesen
I think they would care if you started fake arresting him.
jordan holmes
That's probably true.
dan friesen
I think they might snap into action.
jordan holmes
It's possible.
dan friesen
They all had guns and bulletproof vests.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
But there was one guy...
dan friesen
There was one guy with a mustache who didn't look too serious.
jordan holmes
He didn't look too serious.
dan friesen
He's the one who's going to really get it.
jordan holmes
I bet he's a badass.
dan friesen
So anyway, we've listened to a couple songs.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
In this episode, Alex is really stretched.
jordan holmes
Yeah, do a little mixtape.
dan friesen
Fucking killing time.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
So of course he has to...
Talk about not doing his job.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
alex jones
It's exhausting to research all this news in a good way, but also a bad way, because you're like, well, I can't properly...
One of these articles I've got to talk for three hours about.
But I'm going to intersperse these with your calls coming up next hour.
But I'm going to say this real damn clear to everybody.
I know you're flooded with entertainment, flooded with media, flooded with shows, flooded with stuff, but...
This broadcast, the New World Order really doesn't like it because they know they've got my M.O. They know I'm as real as it gets.
As real as Art Attack.
A precision-guided munition coming after their ass.
But I can't do this without you.
So I'm asking you, if you believe in what we're doing and you don't want to roll over and die in the New World Order, then are you betting on the horses that are in the fight?
Are you backing the people that are taking on the New World Order?
Plus get great products?
dan friesen
Look, I know that I didn't get to a bunch of these stories and I have all these stacks of paper that are clearly props that I'm not going to get to, but Klaus Schwab hates it when people mutter over songs.
He hates it.
It's the most threatening thing to the establishment is people sort of going, damn right, over Narls Barkley.
Come on, man.
Calm down.
jordan holmes
I hate this broadcast.
Now, I have just told you that there's a 50% chance everyone will be dead next year.
dan friesen
Within 30 minutes.
unidentified
Right?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And then I have immediately gone to, like, driving me crazy.
Like, this is very difficult to take seriously sometimes.
dan friesen
Yeah, you bet.
unidentified
Sometimes.
jordan holmes
Sometimes it's very difficult.
dan friesen
So there are moments, though, where you're like, I need to know what happened here.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex is talking about his legal issues.
Right?
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And as we know, the bankruptcy is probably coming to a head within the next month.
I believe there's another hearing coming up where there will be some decisions made.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
We'll see what direction that breaks.
But from Alex's perspective, he's definitely leaning towards the, I'm probably going to have to shut down Infowars.
But, of course, putting everything into the Dr. Jones Naturals basket in order to be able to transition to a new company.
So he's talking about his legal stuff and then just gets hard cut off by the break.
jordan holmes
Uh-oh.
alex jones
Oh, you get my farm?
127 acres?
And that's all I got?
Okay, got a few million dollars?
It doesn't matter.
Because it feels way better to me.
And they even admitted, and this is what's crazy, is that they...
They did this in mediation, but I couldn't talk about it because I agreed and I followed what I say to not talk about it.
But they separately told my lawyers two weeks ago.
Everybody knows, unless you've been hiding in a cave somewhere for 20 years, that fish oil does incredible things.
dan friesen
Okay, so I was listening to that.
I watched it live and cut it the same place.
jordan holmes
It didn't seem like there was a...
Was that a scheduled break, or was that a literal...
dan friesen
It's at the time of the hour that there would be a break.
jordan holmes
Oh my god.
dan friesen
So it's not suspicious in terms of timing.
jordan holmes
But it sounds like it's the most suspicious...
unidentified
Yeah, that's a...
jordan holmes
So I'm sorry, they...
Fucking, are you shitting me?
So they were telling me where they hit the...
And then it's, what are we doing?
dan friesen
If anything, it's the most perfect landing I've ever seen for a commercial break on Alex's show.
jordan holmes
It really is.
dan friesen
But I want to know what he said after that, because I bet it's boring.
It sounds exciting because he got cut off by the brick.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
So that infuriated me.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Anyway, Alex comes back.
jordan holmes
No conclusion.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
No, forever cliffhangered.
This is a fucking 70s TV show all over again.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
Great.
dan friesen
So he takes calls.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
He goes to calls.
And I love this caller because it really demonstrates a beautiful fake humility that Alex has.
alex jones
All right, let's go to the next person.
Let's go to Mark in Florida.
Mark, go ahead.
unidentified
Yes, sir.
I think you're taking my call.
alex jones
It's a super honor to talk to you.
unidentified
I think you're probably more influential than Rush Limbaugh ever was just because...
alex jones
You have something that the Republican Party or...
Well, brother, I'm not trying to keep score, but I mean, I appreciate that.
You know, Rush was in his time.
I'm in mine.
It'll be easy to look back 30 years from now and say, Jones could have done better.
But I think Rush meant well, and he did a lot of good work.
He made a lot of mistakes, too.
He was too pro-war.
But yeah, I mean, obviously, we're way more influential than Rush Limbaugh ever was.
Wow.
dan friesen
So in 10 seconds, Alex is like, I'm not keeping score.
Rush is great.
Rush kind of sucks.
Yeah, I'm way bigger than Rush.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I do keep score, and I'm way ahead.
jordan holmes
Damn it.
That covers the gamut.
It really does.
You've responded in all ways.
dan friesen
Such a false humility response.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I'm not keeping score, brother.
But also.
jordan holmes
It is hard, I imagine, to just be honest with people all the time.
dan friesen
I do wonder, though, if that's honesty.
jordan holmes
No, I mean, that's not.
That's what I'm saying.
But if he had just been like, yeah, fuck yeah.
I mean, wouldn't that have been better and more believable?
dan friesen
But he did get to that honesty eventually.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Yes, of course I'm bigger than him.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But that actually, that's the part where, you know, honesty and your perspective.
I don't know if they always match up.
Not your perspective, but one.
jordan holmes
No, I understand.
I see what you're saying.
dan friesen
I don't know if it's possible for Alex to be honest about that.
His perception is that he's bigger than Rush, but is he?
I'm not sure.
jordan holmes
Okay.
So now we're talking about fact versus truth.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Rush was mainstream as shit, too.
jordan holmes
Rush was the biggest radio voice for 20 years.
dan friesen
And Alex wouldn't be anywhere near where he is if it wasn't for the path that was laid by Rush and these conservative founders.
jordan holmes
Alex is nowhere near where Rush was.
dan friesen
Yeah, no.
Especially in terms of, like, if you eventually go back and look at it from a 30-year removed perspective, I think that Rush's influence is much higher.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, I would say Rush and Stern were the final radio monoculture kind of thing, you know?
Yeah, once Carson was over, the monoculture of late night TV was over.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, I feel like Limbaugh and Stern were roughly the same.
Like, when there was terrestrial radio monoculture, those two were everywhere.
dan friesen
Right.
And you add in, like, Casey Kasem.
jordan holmes
Sure.
But I think that was regional for us.
I don't think Casey Kasem...
dan friesen
The Weekly Top 40 was all over.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's right.
That's right.
The Weekly Top 40. Never mind.
dan friesen
But then also, the alternative...
Fringe end of the monoculture with, like, coast to coast.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You know, like, because that was universal as well.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
I think you may be right.
And Alex will never be able to...
But it is by degrees.
Because, like, Alex is also someone who is unique in his ability to adapt to the internet way better than people of his genre did.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
Definitely.
dan friesen
So he has some place in...
Relevance conversation.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
I think it is silly to imagine that he's bigger than Rush.
jordan holmes
In a lot of ways, Alex is to Rush what Vic is to Alex.
There's no reason for Infowars if it wasn't for Alex.
Alex wouldn't exist if it wasn't for Rush.
You wouldn't say that Vic was the most important part of Infowars?
You wouldn't say Alex is maybe the most important part of conservative talk radio mediascape?
dan friesen
Probably not.
He's more of like a Dane Cook.
He's good at internet.
jordan holmes
He's good at internet.
dan friesen
He used social media to elevate himself well.
jordan holmes
Yep, yep.
Drag us all down.
dan friesen
So here's a clip that I'm going to play for you, and then you can tell me if you think it's accurate or not.
alex jones
And NATO started it.
I'm not a ruse of file.
I mean, I got invited.
I haven't announced this yet.
I shouldn't even get to it.
I got invited to go to Putin's big thing next month, you know, his big Russia global forum, and to be a speaker.
And I just, I can't, I can't do it.
Not just the optics.
I'm pinned down here doing what I'm doing.
But, I mean, I'm not sitting there saying Russia's the answer.
The difference is Russia is not going along with the globalists, is the point.
That's why they don't like them.
unidentified
If you do that and go to the whole Russia thing, you're going to be vilified.
alex jones
Well, listen, I'm not worried about that.
It's that they'll open up a CIA.
They already did it.
They'll open up a full operation against me.
And so I have to look at how successful it would be to go on a panel and interview Putin versus what I can just do here.
And I've already had this massive guilt that I haven't just shut down and gone and moved to Montana or someplace because of the nuclear war threat.
So I've made the deal with myself that I'll stay at the ship, but I've got to stay with my family.
Literally, things are so dangerous, like a mother hen, I've got to sit on my kids and family.
You understand?
I'm like sitting on them.
So that's why I'm like sitting here in my nest, like just sitting on them, because the weasels are in here.
Does that make sense?
unidentified
Yeah, exactly.
No!
dan friesen
Exactly.
No!
What do you think?
Do you think...
I mean, I could honestly see that possibly being true.
I don't know if it...
I feel like Putin didn't get what he wanted out of the Tucker interview.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So I would say that maybe that leads me to think it's not true.
But then, I could see anything being true, really.
I can't see Alex not doing it.
jordan holmes
I mean, okay.
So you can't do it.
You can't do it.
You can't do it.
dan friesen
You can.
jordan holmes
And I'll tell you why.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Because you're going to have to go to Russia during a war that is bad.
Tucker did it?
Well, yeah, but Tucker's a monster.
She was Alex?
Well, Alex is a monster, but Alex is an emotional monster who needs people's approval.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
And it's going to make him feel real bad when he comes back.
Whereas Tucker is a complete psychopath, like Rich Boy, so it's like, oh, people hate me.
Yeah, I was born with a silver spoon.
Of course people hate me.
dan friesen
What the fuck are you talking about?
Everyone's going to buy his meal in Russia.
Everyone's going to love Alex.
jordan holmes
Well, I think that's probably not as much of the case as you might imagine.
dan friesen
Yeah, so I don't know.
My instinct on it is there's something real behind this.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I think so too.
dan friesen
Probably not an invitation from Putin.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
And not an interview with Putin and not to speak at this thing.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But I could see some kind of an invitation from one of these sort of Putin-adjacent figures that Alex is connected to.
jordan holmes
I don't think it's unbelievable to think that someone would invite him, possibly with the whole speaker thing, even if knowingly he's not going to come.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know?
dan friesen
I don't know.
It's weird.
jordan holmes
It's very weird.
That is very strange.
dan friesen
So now I have a trivia question for you.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
The Summer of Rage.
jordan holmes
What about it?
Which one?
dan friesen
Well, that's the thing.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
It is a real thing.
Is it in the past or future?
jordan holmes
I am going to say that until a light photon hits it, I'm not going to collapse the wave function.
dan friesen
Okay.
Well, here we go.
jordan holmes
All right.
alex jones
I mean, folks, we had billions of dollars of stuff burned down, hundreds killed.
I mean, some days during the summer of rage, they would kill 10 cops a day.
It's like it was dozens a week, and we'd never even say their names.
unidentified
What?
alex jones
It's not about a cop kissing contest here.
unidentified
I'm not kissing cops' asses.
alex jones
They get rid of law and order, folks.
jordan holmes
Eating people.
alex jones
It's total lawlessness.
And that's what this is.
dan friesen
That's what this is.
So 2020 was the summer of rage.
jordan holmes
2020 was the summer of rage.
dan friesen
Because the BLM protests and stuff.
jordan holmes
Wow, I really thought he was talking about Serpico and shit.
dan friesen
Nope, 2020.
jordan holmes
Fucking, what?
dan friesen
So, there's a website called Officer Down Memorial that keeps track of law enforcement deaths all around the country.
And in 2020, there were a total of 456 officer deaths in the United States.
This includes, like, all kinds of accidents, natural causes, and everything.
47 of them died from gunfire, which is the same number that died from illnesses related to 9-11 that year.
Way more died from COVID.
284 deaths attributed to COVID.
jordan holmes
No, no, that doesn't sound right, because COVID's not real.
dan friesen
Right.
According to Officer Down, the number of police killed by gunfire in 2020 was below the number for 2018 and 2019, as well as lower than 2021 and 2022.
Alex is just talking shit because it plays into the feelings that the audience wants to justify having, and Alex gives them permission to hold those feelings and pretend like they're based on anything, and maybe even intellectualize them a little bit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it is.
It's really, really, really easy if you're a conservative.
To be like, remember 2020?
That was whenever all the people you saw on TV were black and angry and they were outside.
As opposed to being like, remember 2020?
We were all trapped indoors.
All of us.
All the time.
dan friesen
Summer of rage.
jordan holmes
All the time.
There were some protests, but not even that many!
Because we were trapped inside!
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Alex also, he's wrestling with something on this episode.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And that is that, and he actually talks about it a little bit more in one of the other episodes, but he, Nick Fuentes, Alex has found a clip of him where he's talking about how he wants a white emperor.
jordan holmes
Sure.
I don't, I mean, yeah, yeah.
No shit.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yes, obviously.
You all fucking do.
dan friesen
Stop it.
And Alex knew that before.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But for some reason, he could no longer pretend that this is not the case, that he doesn't know this thing.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And so he talks about that clip, and he's struggling with the, like, I can't want a white emperor.
jordan holmes
But that's what he wants!
dan friesen
Eh, but I can't say it.
jordan holmes
Well, that's fair.
dan friesen
Nick can say this, and I have to be against it.
He rambles a bit about that, but I'm not going to play that clip because it's basically just that.
jordan holmes
That is so funny.
That is so funny because that is the exact cycle that Alex was talking about earlier.
Of, like, well, now we can just be openly racist.
But Alex is still in one part of the cycle.
dan friesen
Well, you're talking about what Bannon said earlier.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, sorry.
That's what Bannon was saying earlier.
Like, Fuentes is in the next part of the cycle.
White emperor.
Let's go for it.
I don't give a shit.
dan friesen
I don't even think that this is a new video of Fuentes.
jordan holmes
Sure, yeah.
dan friesen
When I was watching it, he looked a little younger.
But I think Alex is just pretending to have a new awareness now that he had the whole time.
So, there's another caller that calls in who wants to talk about hemp.
And they talk.
unidentified
Hemp?
dan friesen
For a long time.
jordan holmes
Hemp.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
It's a great product.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
A lot of applications for it.
jordan holmes
I remember the 90s.
dan friesen
Soros is weaponizing weed, but hemp is good.
Energy, clothing, whatever.
jordan holmes
Whatever you want.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And so Alex takes that call, and they talk for a while.
And then he goes on to another call, and he just blows up.
unidentified
So I want to bring awareness to two things.
First thing...
Something referred to as long COVID or long-haul COVID.
Have you heard of that?
alex jones
Yeah, that's vaccine damage is called long COVID.
unidentified
Right, so that's not necessarily true.
It's not only in connection to vaccines.
I know quite a lot of people, and I keep discovering more that actually have had it.
You got this, buddy.
jordan holmes
You're going to get through to them.
unidentified
They actually had COVID.
And ever since COVID, they've been getting these results as well.
And their doctors don't believe them specifically.
alex jones
Okay, so come to the chase, because I said World War III topic, and no one's talking about World War III.
It's hemp, and it's long COVID.
That's great.
I actually asked for a topic here.
Can you respond to my topic?
unidentified
Let me explain to you.
alex jones
Shut him down!
Cut him off!
Man, I can't take it anymore.
I sit here, and I open the phones up most of the time on any topic you want to cover, and then I sit there, and I tell you I want to talk about World War III and the election.
And the deep state, and how do we stop it?
And I'm hearing about hemp, and I'm hearing about long COVID.
Holy hell, man.
Wayne in Virginia.
You're on the air.
Go ahead.
dan friesen
He's really lucky that he had that long conversation about hemp before this so he could pretend that that's what he's mad about as opposed to these are things that I can't really address within my conspiracy worldview.
Sorry, buddy.
I'm going to have to pretend to be mad at you in order to get out of this situation.
jordan holmes
No one ever wants to talk about World War III.
They just always want to talk about how everything I believe is not true.
dan friesen
Oh.
And yeah, I've got nowhere to go with this other than performative outrage.
jordan holmes
Yeah, what are you going to...
dan friesen
He was totally fine talking to the hemp guy.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, what would he even...
dan friesen
And he's totally fine with off-topic callers later, too.
unidentified
Totally.
dan friesen
Just to get out of this.
jordan holmes
Totally.
Because long COVID is so fucking terrible for his whole vaccine damage thing.
dan friesen
No, it isn't if it's all vaccine damage.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
If you can maintain that image, then no, it is not.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
But this guy is piercing that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, you can't maintain that image because vaccine damage...
You would have to be like, okay, so it's been...
Multiple years since, but then, and only some, and you know specifics, you know, like, there's no way.
dan friesen
Well, that's because of the targeted evil batches.
jordan holmes
Oh, for God's sake.
dan friesen
You know, there's ways around this.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So anyway, Alex, he just is like, I want fucking calls that are on topic.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
This is pissing me off.
Everybody's, you gotta be on topic.
I generally will take open phones.
jordan holmes
Do it.
dan friesen
But not today.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
I want topic.
jordan holmes
Topic.
alex jones
I'm not trying to be mean to the callers.
It's just like, come on, guys.
I'm just trying to have a discussion with you about this topic.
World War III, it's looming.
How do we focus on it?
Because if nuclear bombs rain down, you can forget you're him.
I'm going to play a few clips here.
This is Robert De Niro.
dan friesen
Oh, cool.
unidentified
That's good.
dan friesen
Let's play some clips of Robert De Niro that you can talk shit about.
That's fun.
See, he does not spend as much time minimizing the caller about long COVID.
Yeah.
unidentified
He, every time he needs to punch at something, it is about the hemp guy.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Who he had no problem with talking about.
dan friesen
And if anything was more defensive about like, dude, I talk about hemp.
I've talked about hemp before.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
If anything, that was his response to this guy.
He has to cover so hard for trying to change the subject abruptly.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's outrageous.
jordan holmes
I do like that as a statement, though.
When those nuclear bombs start falling, you can forget about your hemp.
dan friesen
Yeah, your hemp's gone.
jordan holmes
Your hemp is no good, my man.
dan friesen
Save one last call.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Because Alex gets a caller, and he's like, yeah.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
This is the good stuff.
jordan holmes
Is it CeeLo Green?
dan friesen
It is not.
Oh.
alex jones
All right, let's rampage through a bunch of calls.
Zach has a great question, he says, and I want to hear his answer.
What are they willing to do to take down Trump?
Yeah, blow his plane up, shoot him.
They're crazy, folks.
They should be.
Wow.
Thank you, Zach, for calling in on the subject.
I really respect you, and I want to hear your view.
Tell me.
jordan holmes
Rake.
dan friesen
Yes, sir.
unidentified
I think that the nuclear bomb is what they're going to do.
I think that...
These people are insane.
They will literally nuke a major U.S. city and blame an adversary to start World War III.
Bingo!
alex jones
Wow, I'm glad you're focused on...
Yep, tell me more.
dan friesen
Tell me more!
This is all I wanted, is someone to say some scary shit that we could talk shit about.
jordan holmes
Could someone, please...
Listen to an hour ago of the show and then repeat exactly that back to me.
Right!
So I am reminded that I am both alive and none of you are mattering at all.
dan friesen
Will someone just fucking get the message about how to be my dance partner?
jordan holmes
I mean, it is that.
It really is.
Like, stop it.
I understand all of you think you're people, but I am here for my own enjoyment.
dan friesen
Someone match my tone and mood.
jordan holmes
Yep.
Jesus Christ.
unidentified
Bingo!
jordan holmes
Bingo!
dan friesen
Yep.
So they're going to nuke an American city in order to stop Trump.
Seems likely.
jordan holmes
I appreciate that we have chosen to live in a world where someone can hear somebody go like, I think what they're going to do is they're going to nuke the president and blame it on another country to start World War III.
And we just listen to a man go, Bingo!
Bingo!
Bingo!
Pew, pew, pew, pew!
unidentified
You are the smartest person!
jordan holmes
And not go like, you understand what you're talking about, right?
dan friesen
This is the kind of shit talk that I like, man!
jordan holmes
Yes, but you understand that if what you're saying is true, everyone's dead!
My response to that would not be...
dan friesen
In 30 minutes, I guess, from Alex's standpoint.
jordan holmes
It would not be like, bingo!
Bingo!
Yeah!
You got it!
dan friesen
Trump was already president for four years.
I mean, I don't know.
Pretending that you'll destroy the world to stop Trump is a little bit fucking dumb.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Anyway, what we've learned on this episode is that Alex's ancestors would be ashamed of his cannibalism.
jordan holmes
That is true.
dan friesen
Stanley Kubrick is a remote viewer.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yep.
dan friesen
Or Reader 102.
jordan holmes
It's a lot easier than thinking he was just really meticulous and good at making films.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Also, Sylvester Stallone might be coming on.
jordan holmes
That will be fun.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
That will be fun.
dan friesen
We'll see what happens.
jordan holmes
I think I could not care about a man's political beliefs less than Sylvester Stallone.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
I do not care what he believes.
dan friesen
You know, Alex was supposed to be in the Expendables.
unidentified
I should have said Rocky.
I was going to say, did he write it?
jordan holmes
Did Alex actually write Rocky?
He wrote Rocky.
Because he wasn't getting any good parts in Hollywood at the time.
I get it.
dan friesen
Star-Lord hadn't come around.
jordan holmes
Totally get it.
I get it.
I get it.
dan friesen
Anyway, good to be back.
Good to be back.
Nice to, you know, I do feel like it is a little bit different without people now.
jordan holmes
It is a little bit?
dan friesen
Because it's been a couple weeks.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But, you know, it's nice.
jordan holmes
It's great.
dan friesen
Anyway, we'll be back.
jordan holmes
Indeed.
dan friesen
But until then, we have a website.
jordan holmes
Indeed we do.
It's knowledgefight.com.
dan friesen
Yep.
But we're not on social media.
jordan holmes
We are not on social media.
dan friesen
Yep, we'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX.
Clark, I am the Mysterious Professor.
jordan holmes
Woo, yeah!
steve quayle
And now here comes the sex robots.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
jordan holmes
I love your work.
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