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#927: May 14, 2015

In this installment, Dan and Jordan do the show in Baltimore at the Ram's Head Live, discussing the day where Alex tries to get interviewed by a mainstream journalist on air and spends a great deal of time talking about Jade Helm and GMOs.

Participants
Main voices
a
alex jones
07:30
d
dan friesen
35:49
j
jordan holmes
19:41
Appearances
Clips
j
joe biggs
00:53
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Speaker Time Text
unidentified
I'm sick of them.
I love your word.
I love you.
Hey everybody!
How you doing Baltimore?
Hello!
dan friesen
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We are a couple of dudes who like to travel around the East Coast.
Yep.
Sit around and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
unidentified
Oh!
jordan holmes
Indeed we are, Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Quick question for you.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
Am I putting it on too thick?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot, buddy?
dan friesen
My bright spot is...
unidentified
We're going to ham it up!
jordan holmes
You guys came out!
dan friesen
Why don't you go first?
I have sort of a light one.
jordan holmes
I'll tell you that my bright spot...
I'm going to require a little context because the great people of Baltimore might not understand right away.
But my bright spot is I was not robbed last night.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
So that was nice, but not in a way that is insulting to the great city of Baltimore.
I was almost not robbed last night.
No, I went out to, because after we got back, we were both exhausted, and I was like, I just want to go get a drink at the hotel bar.
dan friesen
Well, we were coming off of a very brief flight from Boston, and Baltimore Airport lost our luggage.
We got it back.
We got it back.
It was just a chaotic...
jordan holmes
Now, that was a light robbing from Baltimore.
That's what we call a loose rob, you know?
dan friesen
It set the stage.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So yeah, the hotel bar was trash.
They didn't have things, which you usually require to drink.
And so I went across the street to this little townie bar, and there was only two people in there and the bartender.
And I was wearing my headband, right?
My headband, it's a little tie-dye headband.
dan friesen
Oh, no, no, no.
jordan holmes
It's quite nice.
I walk in there, and she is bullying me in like a 16-year-old way.
Like, she was heavily implying the slurs that you know about gay people.
And I was like, this is a great bar to be in right now.
So I'm sitting there, and I'm like, I still want my drink.
I can't leave because she bullied me.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
I'm from Chicago.
Fuck you, Baltimore.
So we get to talking, she's doing this whole thing, and then after talking for a little bit, I make her laugh, and she switches tack.
She's like, I bet you love doing drugs.
unidentified
And I was like, alright, I'm fine with that.
jordan holmes
I do like doing drugs.
dan friesen
You're wearing a tie-dyed bandana.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
We've achieved our first step.
Now we're on neutral footing.
dan friesen
That's what I think.
jordan holmes
But then the questions become more and more like job interview questions.
Like, can you lift 50 pounds?
And I was like, ah!
dan friesen
What's your greatest strength and weakness?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I like drugs too much.
It's both.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I don't need to...
I don't know why I'm giving this bartender all this information.
And then she's like, I know like five people that got robbed just last week.
How much are you carrying on you?
And I was like, ah!
You're a scout!
You're a scout!
I know you!
So immediately after that, I was like, I'm going to have to close this out.
I'm going to have to pay my tab, and I'm going to have to run away with my tail between my legs.
But not before some random guy across the bar was like, I bet you're a Christian, aren't you?
And that was when I left!
unidentified
I gotta go, dude!
jordan holmes
So that's my bright spot.
How's that story?
dan friesen
It's a good story.
Thank you.
I like that you had a tab open.
jordan holmes
I had a tab open.
I had to go, man.
dan friesen
What's your bright spot, buddy?
I guess my bright spot is that I stayed in last night.
No, I mean, I guess I've got a couple of Baltimorean bright spots.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And they're a little bit pedestrian.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
But we were walking around earlier today because I have a Fitbit.
jordan holmes
That's one pun.
dan friesen
Trying to get my steps in.
And I met a duck.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
jordan holmes
We did meet ducks.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
I hate geese.
They're evil.
One attacked me as a child, and I think they're very hostile to humans.
But ducks are cool.
I spent...
And Jordan watched me.
He can vouch for me.
I spent about two minutes in a crouched position staring at a duck.
I don't even...
I'm not...
I am not a tie-dye headband wearer.
I don't use drugs.
I wasn't even high.
I don't have any excuse except I was like...
Yeah!
jordan holmes
Hamming it up, buddy!
dan friesen
You got a response for pulling out your tie-dye.
They were like, take it off, but it wasn't on.
jordan holmes
It's in my pocket.
It's in my pocket still.
dan friesen
So it was kind of a bright spot.
That two minutes where I was sitting there, I was like, this duck might come over here.
It didn't.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
So it's kind of a little bit of a dud as a bright spot.
So the real bright spot.
jordan holmes
I saw a duck.
dan friesen
I was this close.
I almost made friends with a duck.
jordan holmes
No, I understand.
No, I got very excited because they inched closer to us like two or three times, and every time they took a step, you're like, oh shit, maybe I'm going to be best friends with a duck.
dan friesen
How am I going to get this duck back to Chicago?
jordan holmes
Under my arm!
dan friesen
Do I have to check a duck?
jordan holmes
According to Hedberg, ducks eat for free at Subway, my man.
unidentified
Well.
jordan holmes
That's a reference.
dan friesen
I'm still not going to Subway.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's fair.
dan friesen
That's not enough to entice me in.
You know what it is, though?
unidentified
What?
dan friesen
Jimmy John's has free smells.
It's a sign that they have up at Jimmy John's.
Free smells.
jordan holmes
I do not like that sign at all.
dan friesen
Nope.
Not at all.
I don't either, and I was lying.
I don't like Jimmy John's.
jordan holmes
We have free smells, then I'm gone.
I'm gone.
dan friesen
The real bright spot for me, and this is just, I'm almost ashamed to admit it, but.
We got in, and we were walking to a check-in, and we walked past an It's Sugar.
jordan holmes
Is that like a Baltimore thing that everybody knows about?
dan friesen
No, I don't think so.
I think it's a chain.
I think there are a lot of candy shops.
jordan holmes
So we're a bunch of touristy bullshit people.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's touristy bullshit, and it is just bulk candy.
And I went to fucking town.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
I couldn't stop myself from like, ooh, here's another kind of gummy.
Here's another good.
I'm like, I am so excited about these weird, like, oh, gummy pizza slices.
I've never seen that before.
Again, I don't smoke weed.
These aren't weed gummies.
unidentified
Nope.
dan friesen
This is just kidding.
jordan holmes
I smoke weed all the time.
Not interested in gummies.
No.
unidentified
Nope.
dan friesen
So I had, like, this moment of pure bliss of, like, all of these I was like, if I take more than a certain amount of time, this is really sad.
And then the other thought was, I just was like, this is a lot bigger bag than I thought it was going to be.
Walking up to the counter.
I was like, this sucks.
I gotta check out.
unidentified
Oh, God.
jordan holmes
That was, I think, the most, like, a couple I think I've ever felt with the two of us.
Because it was like...
dan friesen
Don't worry, honey.
I'll stay here while you go get candy.
unidentified
No, no, no.
jordan holmes
It was totally like we walked by and he was like, it's a Nick Sugar.
And I was like, we're gonna go in.
And we were both pulling our bags, our suitcases with us.
And I was like, you know what?
I'll hold your seat case.
You go on in there.
You have a great time.
dan friesen
I'm not certain that I did this, but I felt like you may have had a feeling like when your dog will, like, whine.
jordan holmes
No, no.
dan friesen
I feel like I might have done that instinctually when I saw that story.
jordan holmes
No, I just wanted to give you happiness and joy for just a brief second.
dan friesen
Well, thank you.
jordan holmes
At the It Sugar.
dan friesen
It did that, and then I ate too much sugar.
Hey, too much candy.
unidentified
Yep, yep.
jordan holmes
Turns out, enabling.
Great strategy.
dan friesen
So this is why I need to get even more steps in to work off these fucking gummy bears.
So, Jordan.
jordan holmes
Yes, sir.
dan friesen
We got a show to do today.
jordan holmes
Oh, shit!
For people?
dan friesen
There are these people who are in my living room.
jordan holmes
So they've got all these people in our living room.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, today we're going to be doing a little episode.
We're going to be talking about May 14th, 2015.
jordan holmes
May 14th, 2015.
Obama is just elected president.
dan friesen
What?
jordan holmes
What?
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
Wrong year.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Do you have any idea what could have been going on?
What your vibe is?
unidentified
What your...
jordan holmes
May 15th?
dan friesen
How long before this...
Well, I said May 14th.
jordan holmes
May 14th.
This is...
On the Boston show, yeah.
On the Boston show, I was like, May 3rd.
And you're like, again, I said May 4th.
No, okay.
So when did Trump say the thing about people not from this country?
dan friesen
This has nothing to do with Trump.
jordan holmes
Okay, good.
unidentified
But that's the only thing you could...
jordan holmes
That was all of 2015 for me, is watching Hillary suck and Trump hate people.
dan friesen
It was a widely shared experience.
So, Jordan, here's where we're at.
Here's the situation.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
You and I, we're both guys who have had a few beers in our day, you know, the drinks.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
You love some IPAs, but personally, I've always been a shitty beer kind of guy.
I love the Pabsts of the world, the hams, the Strohs, even Milwaukee's best.
But let me be clear, I don't go in for the garbage like Keystone Light.
That's not me.
My standard has always been you have to have had a brewery that was founded before 1900 if you're going to get in my business.
Unless I was drunk at a house party and I was stealing the Keystone, then I was definitely going to drink all of it.
Well, would it surprise you, Jordan, to learn that Baltimore is home of one of, if not the number one weirdest old-time breweries in the United States that also makes shitty beer?
jordan holmes
I did not.
Everybody else knows.
dan friesen
These people know.
I'm talking, of course, about National Bohemian.
Or as the kids call it, Natty Bo.
Natty Bo!
jordan holmes
Oh boy, Natty Bo.
Alright, I'm listening.
dan friesen
So the National Brewing Company was founded in 1885 right here in Baltimore, and their flagship product, Natty Bo, has failed to really catch on anywhere outside of the city.
jordan holmes
Oh yeah?
dan friesen
I have never heard of it before.
jordan holmes
I've never heard of it.
dan friesen
And I've drunk at every terrible bar.
But most estimates put the figure at 90% of the sales of this beer comes from Maryland.
jordan holmes
Oh my god, it comes from here.
dan friesen
Yeah, and part of the reason is I think that they're trying too damn hard.
Case in point, Natty Bo claims that they invented selling beer in a six-pack back in the 1940s.
jordan holmes
That's like the oldest man shit out of my...
unidentified
I swear to God, it'd tell me they never even thought of six at a time.
dan friesen
Free shirt.
jordan holmes
Everybody drank five, but I was the one who was like, add one more and you got something.
dan friesen
So this seems like a preposterous thing to take credit for.
jordan holmes
It does.
dan friesen
But could it be true?
unidentified
Could it?
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
There's well-documented history of soft drinks being sold in six packs prior to this, but when you see this claim about the Natty Bo...
It's trotted out on blogs all the time.
They aren't sure if they actually did invent the six-pack.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And sorry, but I'm here to tell you they didn't.
I was able to find a newspaper ad from the Montana Missoulian dated June 29th, 1934.
Advertising six packs of beer for 33 cents.
jordan holmes
Too much!
dan friesen
That brand, one of my other old standards, Schlitz, a.k.a.
the beer that made Milwaukee famous, Schlitz was marketing them as the Handy Six back in the 30s, which is a great name.
jordan holmes
That is a great name.
That is a great name.
dan friesen
So also, Natty Bo has something that these other shitty beer companies don't have.
jordan holmes
Right, an extra finger to touch the balls.
dan friesen
That is exactly right.
unidentified
36?
jordan holmes
God damn it, people.
I'm not going to spoon feed you.
dan friesen
It is not that.
It is that Natty Bo has a deeply upsetting mascot.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Okay.
dan friesen
Mr. Bo is a dude with a Julius Pringles-ass mustache, but also only has one eye.
He's got one eye!
And it's not like a cyclops on the center of his head.
jordan holmes
It's not like a pirate thing?
dan friesen
No, he's just missing his right eye.
jordan holmes
It's just a guy missing his eye.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Do you remember earlier today we were outside of a bar and I pointed at the side?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
That's him.
jordan holmes
Oh, shit!
I was like, this is just a stupid sign that you were noticing.
dan friesen
As the roommate of a one-eyed cat, this naturally triggered my heartstrings getting pulled on.
So I found myself being interested in this Bo character.
I dug a little bit deeper, and what I learned shocked me to my very core.
jordan holmes
To your core?
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Did you know?
jordan holmes
No, obviously not.
dan friesen
I feel like I've asked you to know a hundred times already.
jordan holmes
Absolutely not.
No.
dan friesen
So this mascot, Mr. Bo, is married to another mascot.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no.
unidentified
Yes.
jordan holmes
For a different product?
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
In a different...
Universe of...
dan friesen
No, it's in our universe.
jordan holmes
Okay, I understand it's in our universe.
But it's not like the MCU mashup.
dan friesen
On May 14th, 2011, Mr. Bo canonically married the girl from the Utz potato chips bags.
And they had an actual wedding ceremony.
That was actually just a commercial for a Baltimore tooler shop.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right, right.
That's some pro wrestling shit is what that is.
dan friesen
Or Synergy.
Just marketing.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
So we're gathered here today to celebrate the glorious anniversary of their union.
Natty Bo and Utz Potato Chips, a marriage that has lasted the test of time.
This is their fourth anniversary.
Because all the other ones weren't good.
Sure.
jordan holmes
I love knowing how many episodes of the show that you listen to to get us to hear.
And you have to understand something.
This is a man who is like, I'm not going to let them get away with saying they invented the six-pack.
Not a fucking chance.
dan friesen
I honestly would have been more thrilled if I could have come here and said, you did it!
But unfortunately...
unidentified
Alas.
dan friesen
I am the bearer of bad news.
And I have more bad news, and that is we should get started with the clips.
jordan holmes
Oh, do we do that?
I thought we were just going to have a grand old time.
dan friesen
No, but it was a delight to talk about Natty Bo and to inform you of their mascot wedding.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
I like it.
I like it.
dan friesen
I blew a mind here today.
unidentified
I like it.
jordan holmes
I always cry at a wedding.
dan friesen
Yeah, you were...
jordan holmes
That's not a joke.
I was actually just telling you a true thing.
I really do.
I find them...
dan friesen
You would have cried at this one because you would have been wasted on shitty beer.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
And then rubbed your fingers with salt from the ups.
jordan holmes
With salt from the chips.
Oh, my God.
It hurts so bad.
dan friesen
Everybody would be like, this guy, he really is feeling it.
He feels the love.
So we're going to start here where Alex starts off.
And it's a very exciting beginning to this episode here on May 14th, 2015.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
I wear a hat, not a visor.
I drink Budweiser.
And the reason I'm being silly is we have Matt Visor from the Boston Globe.
unidentified
He's going to be joining us in the studio today.
alex jones
I don't have time to do an interview after the show or before the show.
And we've got Al Jazeera flying into town to interview me.
I'm on Alan Cumm's radio show.
All that said, because I'm so afraid to be interviewed.
With that whole stunt ABC This Week pulled that is still in newspapers every day.
unidentified
It's just, Alex Jones won't defend himself on Jade Helm, the coward.
dan friesen
The coward.
So he's going to have this guy on to do an interview on the show.
jordan holmes
All right, like a real journalist from the Boston Globe.
dan friesen
Yep, that's right, Matt Weiser.
jordan holmes
Matt Weiser.
dan friesen
I was very close to trying to reach out to him.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But I was like, I don't want to bother him.
jordan holmes
Nah, nah, nah.
Absolutely not.
Just because his name rhymes with Budweiser is not a reason to come on.
dan friesen
I can't rhyme with Bo.
I drink Natty Bo.
jordan holmes
My brain's going slow.
There's no non-misogynist way to go with that one.
dan friesen
So, in March 2015, Alex started spreading fear about a government takeover that was coming under the guise of a training exercise called Jade Helm 15. This was an eight-week-long set of exercise that was set to take place across multiple states, primarily in Texas and the Southwest Rockies region, because, as the Army Special Operations Press release put it, these states contained, quote, diverse terrain that replicates areas Special Operations soldiers regularly find themselves operating in overseas.
As soon as Alex heard about this planned exercise, he began fear-mongering about it.
And here is a little discussion of his horrors.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, what are they going to do?
dan friesen
Right, this is from...
March 19th of this year.
alex jones
They admit they're going to be engaging in PSYOP and military takeover domestically.
This is in preparation for the financial collapse and maybe even Obama not leaving office.
I mean, I'm telling you, this is so huge.
unidentified
There will be 1,200 service members participating in Operation Jade Helm.
It says increase military presence, increase aircraft in the area at night.
joe biggs
They may receive noise complaints.
Some individuals may conduct suspicious activities designed to prepare them for complex environment.
unidentified
Overseas.
Did you hear that?
alex jones
They're going to practice breaking into things and stuff.
dan friesen
Damn.
Practice breaking into shit.
So that other voice you hear there is none other than Rambo Joe Biggs, who is currently serving a 17-year jail sentence for committing seditious conspiracy for his role on January 6th.
jordan holmes
Just to be clear, just to be clear, this is a guy having a conversation about how terrible it would be if the president refused to leave office?
dan friesen
A little ironic.
unidentified
Hmm.
dan friesen
So Biggs was very intertwined with the conspiracy narratives Alex sold about Jade Helm because it was a military story and Biggs was a veteran, so that gave him built-in credibility.
unidentified
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
The coverage of Jade Helm was obsessive on InfoWars at the end of March and all through April because it was the hottest topic in the online conspiracy world, in no small part because Alex was feeding the coverage himself.
The end goal of the exercise was anything you could imagine.
One day it was to normalize military on the streets, the next it was...
Maybe a plan to prepare the U.S. to be invaded.
And then, what do you know?
It's actually about prepping FEMA camps to round up all of Alex's buddies and house them there.
By this point in the episode we're listening to when it takes place, we're a good month and a half to Alex covering Jade Helm at this point.
Things got worse on April 28th when Texas Governor Greg Abbott wrote a letter that seemed to validate the conspiracy narratives about Jade Helm.
In his letter, he said that he was going to have the Texas Guard keep tabs on exercises to make sure that Texas...
jordan holmes
Well, at least we have to make sure they don't.
Right, right, right.
Because if you have to quarter a soldier, I mean, it's all over for America.
dan friesen
This led to a wide array of responses.
The conspiracy patriot-esque media like Alex took this thing from Abbott as a validation that their concerns were rational and it emboldened them further.
Former Texas State Representative Todd Smith accused Abbott of, quote, pandering to idiots.
The major effect of this, though, was that media entities took a greater interest in what was fueling this story, and one of the influences you will obviously find is Alex Jones, which is why you might have been seeing an increase in interview requests in mid-May.
One of the issues with Alex and Jade Helm is that he was all over the place on it.
You know, he was saying that he was going to bring in foreign troops.
Other times he was saying it was going to happen every year, so the public was desensitized.
His messaging was inconsistent and unclear, so it makes sense that people would want to interview him.
Like, bro.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
What are you talking about, bro?
jordan holmes
What exactly are you trying to say?
dan friesen
Yeah, what am I supposed to be scared of exactly?
jordan holmes
Are you saying that I need to be afraid of French soldiers?
dan friesen
Oui.
jordan holmes
Oh, shit.
dan friesen
Bien sûr.
unidentified
Ah, fuck.
jordan holmes
The Boston Globe's got to get on this.
dan friesen
This is where my limited French is really hurting me.
jordan holmes
Worked enough.
dan friesen
Uh, peut-être.
unidentified
Nope.
dan friesen
That means a little.
jordan holmes
Never mind.
Didn't work enough.
So...
dan friesen
It's really funny that Alex is going to have the Boston Globe's Matt Visor come and interview him as a part of the show, but you might notice that he's also, in that first clip, he was a bit mad about ABC News.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
So what happened there is classic Alex.
The previous Sunday, Alex was scheduled to be a part of a panel on This Week on ABC to talk about these Jade Helm theories.
However, he did not show up.
Martha Raddatz, the host of the show, pointed out the no-show, which prompted Alex to accuse ABC of engaging in dirty tricks.
Apparently, ABC was supposed to send a car to take him to a remote studio, but they showed up a mere 12 minutes before the interview was supposed to begin.
An ABC spokesperson said of the claim, quote, that's completely false.
They told Mediaite, quote, the car had been at Jones' apartment an hour ahead of time.
Jones did not respond to phone calls and the network went so far as to having the building security knock on his door to no answer.
Seeking to cast more shade on ABC News, Alex alleged that they'd been in talks to do a live interview, but at the last moment they tried to force him to do a pre-tape, which was also flatly denied by their spokesperson.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Quote, we were always going to do a live remote.
unidentified
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
I'm not totally sure what happened here because Alex has no problem going on shows where he can't really defend his points and just using it as an opportunity to yell Infowars.com a bunch before they cut his mic.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know why he wouldn't do that here, so I kind of think he overslept.
jordan holmes
You think it's that?
dan friesen
Yeah.
I think he just fucked up, overslept, and now he's like, uh...
jordan holmes
Eh, they probably did something.
dan friesen
They set me up.
jordan holmes
I think he was afraid he was going to eat George Stephanopoulos.
He's small enough to be edible, and maybe society collapsed 15 days before, so it's time to eat people.
dan friesen
I feel like Alex eating Stephanopoulos is a fear we all share.
jordan holmes
Yeah, to quote the Beastie Boys, watch out, Stephanopoulos!
dan friesen
You taste good with Budweiser!
So Alex is mad at the media.
He's mad at, you know, he's having Matt Visor on, but he's mad at ABC.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
It turns out he's also mad at Fox's The Five, the show The Five.
jordan holmes
Uh-huh.
alex jones
And now one of the Fox News, The Five Guys, says, no, we're not going to have you on via tweets.
In fact, I've got Joe Biggs printing them off right now.
He's going to come in and talk about it because Joe's been tweeting back and forth with him.
Staff reporter Joe Biggs and former Staff Sergeant Joe Biggs.
Now this particular Fox News 5 host wants to meet me at the corner of some street in New York City for a fistfight.
You know, that was the joke about us getting in the ring, dumbass.
But if you really want to, that's fine.
But I do it legally and lawfully wherever they allow bare-knuckles boxing.
Okay, we can fly to some third-world country and have pay-per-view.
I think we'd probably make about $10 million a piece, but you're too stupid to want to actually do that.
You want to dance to the puppeteers' orders there at Fox News and make crap up.
And I don't mean to diverse and to diverge off into side issues, and I apologize.
jordan holmes
Side issues?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like taking a man to Venezuelan, beating him up in bare-knuckle boxing.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
This is what happens when you eat George Stephanopoulos.
dan friesen
He takes over your body and he wants to fight.
Yeah.
So what happened here is that Eric Bolling, one of the hosts of Fox's The Five, had made fun of Alex not showing up for that ABC appearance.
And I guess that he and Joe Biggs then got into a Twitter fight.
jordan holmes
He overslept, okay?
dan friesen
He was trying to save face.
They set him up.
So just the day before this, Alex was playing clips of them joking about him on Fox's The Five, and it was more or less, he was just begging them to book him.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
He's like, I'll even take you, I'll fly to New York, I'll take you out to dinner, come on!
jordan holmes
Please, please, please put me on your show!
dan friesen
Yeah, it's kind of tough to believe that he has the time to fly to New York to, or even, you know, to do a bare-knuckle boxing match with this guy.
But he's so crunched for time that he's got to do this interview on air.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Or else it's just, we have no time.
jordan holmes
We don't have time!
dan friesen
It's just impossible.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
So...
He's mad.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's mad.
jordan holmes
Not at the crew, though.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Just the media.
jordan holmes
Just the media.
dan friesen
But Matt Visor will be here shortly, and everything will be fine, for sure.
alex jones
But Matt Visor will be in the studio.
First, he said, oh, my editors won't let me interview you live.
And I said, fine, we can't do it.
So now he should get here in a few minutes.
We'll see if that happens.
And then they can interview me about imaginary Jade Helm, according to them, coming up.
And like I told ABC News, Fox News, everybody, I stand ready anytime live.
They've got scores of satellite uplinks downtown Austin.
I am 110% ready to face you anytime, anywhere, anyplace.
dan friesen
Anytime.
And Matt Visor is coming on.
jordan holmes
But through a camera.
dan friesen
What?
jordan holmes
I'll face you anytime, anywhere, anyplace.
Through a remote link.
I'll come get you through my computer.
dan friesen
Right.
I don't want to accidentally eat you.
jordan holmes
Joe Biggs will tweet at you.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I saw some of the tweets.
They were not friendly.
Which makes sense.
You know, they're talking about fighting words.
jordan holmes
Well, meet you on the corner of somewhere in New York City.
dan friesen
Corner of something.
unidentified
Those famous corners where you fight.
dan friesen
So you excited for this Mad Visor interview?
jordan holmes
I mean, okay, so at first I didn't understand quite, because I thought that Alex was going to interview him.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
On the show.
dan friesen
Not really.
jordan holmes
But now, if I understand this correctly, the guy from the Boston Globe is coming to give Alex an interview for the newspaper.
dan friesen
You bet.
jordan holmes
All right?
And then Alex is like, I don't have time for this shit.
Let's do it on air.
dan friesen
Yes.
You have understood the scenario entirely.
jordan holmes
Can you do that?
dan friesen
I guess.
I mean, you can ask.
jordan holmes
Okay.
I'm going to take a shit the entire time during this interview.
Whatever I'm doing, yeah.
Okay.
dan friesen
So this goes about as predictably as it could, I think.
At this point, we should all be pretty clear what's about to happen.
alex jones
We are not going to let you play your sneaky underhanded tricks anymore, you backbiting crew of Scallywax.
That's just how this works.
We're done with you.
We know you're not media.
You're propagandists.
And we are not backing down.
We are not standing down.
We are not going away.
Now, weeks ago, we're having such victories against Monsanto, I had Nico start working on it.
unidentified
Hey, Alex, I hate to interrupt.
I just got a text from him.
He said, Mr. Visor said, another editor was leery of this interview to go on the air, so he's backing out.
alex jones
Now they'll say I backed out, though.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Now they're going to say he backed out!
unidentified
Now they're going to say it was me who backed out!
jordan holmes
But we got it on the radio!
dan friesen
So this is a real bust.
Matt Visor has cancelled.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
So the interview apparently isn't happening and Alex is immediately defensive.
They're going to say I cancelled.
But guess what?
Matt Visor did end up publishing an article in the Boston Globe.
But instead of it being about Alex's take on Jade Helm, it was about his unsuccessful attempt to interview Alex.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Is it expose?
Yeah.
dan friesen
The reasons for backing out of an interview were totally clear for Matt.
For one, it would center the story around himself, which wasn't the intended goal.
And secondly, the interview would be aired on Alex's show immediately, which kind of makes the delayed print a little superfluous.
As he put it, the quote, the trade-off didn't seem worth it.
Now, if you read Visor's article, you learn that he was interested in Jade Helm conspiracies, just like a lot of people in the media, after they started to bubble up from the underground.
He knew that Alex was the font of most of it, so he decided just to head out to Texas.
From his article, quote, In the days before leaving for Austin, I put in requests to interview Jones.
I put in more requests once I was there.
Over nearly a week, like a spurned suitor, I emailed, I called, I texted.
Silence!
He got nowhere, but decided to show up at the Infowars studio since the address wasn't a secret even back then.
He found the building boring and basically decided that that was a dead end.
He was just going to go back to Boston.
jordan holmes
I would agree.
We found that building boring too.
dan friesen
Yep.
No snipers on the roof that I saw.
unidentified
No snipers.
jordan holmes
Not a single sniper.
dan friesen
No.
Disappointing.
jordan holmes
Disappointing.
dan friesen
But then...
On May 13th at 9.56pm, the night before this episode, Rob Dew emailed him back and said, quote, you can interview him on the show.
Interested?
jordan holmes
You up?
dan friesen
You up?
unidentified
Yeah.
LAUGHTER What you doing?
dan friesen
Spelled D-E-W.
jordan holmes
I've had a few drinks.
You want to be on the show?
dan friesen
So Visor immediately thought this was a bad idea and counter-offered that he interview Alex in between segments.
From his article, quote, by the next morning, Dew said the only way Jones would meet me in person would be if I came on the live show.
Another option, he said, would be to have Jones call me on the phone that afternoon when the show ended.
Visor agreed to come on the show because he wanted to see Alex in the natural environment, but then immediately had editors tell him, this is a terrible idea.
Quote, within 15 minutes, I messaged Dew back saying I wouldn't appear live but would still like to do a phone interview.
He agreed, saying he would send me Jones a cell phone number after the show.
So can you imagine Visor's surprise when he tuned into Infowars that day and heard Alex claim that he was going to be a guest on the show?
jordan holmes
Wait, wait, wait, wait.
So then, oh my god!
They set this whole thing up!
Jesus Christ.
I feel like the dumbest one.
dan friesen
So he was sitting in his car baffled as, quote, Dew went on air and pretended as if the text message from me, which he had acknowledged receiving 30 minutes earlier, had just arrived.
This is not 30 minutes into the show.
Unsurprisingly, quote, when I attempted to reach Jones that afternoon at the time they had previously said he would be available, my messages went back to being unreturned.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Yep, this whole thing was a charade.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It was all a hoax.
jordan holmes
That's fun.
dan friesen
They knew.
Rob Doon knew when they went on air that he wasn't coming on.
jordan holmes
See, now, I like that.
I like that because that suggests the two of them had a little talk.
Before the show, and they were like, how are we going to do this?
We can't just say that the Boston Globe guy rightfully decided not to do this dumb shit that we were going to trick him into doing in the first place.
dan friesen
Right, right.
And then we'll put him on trial.
jordan holmes
Right.
So we could just say, uh, no, he's not going to be here.
Or we could just not talk about him at all.
dan friesen
No, because Alex is so mad about everybody thinking he didn't want to go on ABC.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
So he's got that sort of, you know, stick in his crawl.
jordan holmes
Yeah, so then they come up with this whole charade.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
Which means that at some point they were sitting here just going like, oh my god, what do we do?
What do we do?
dan friesen
Well, let's pretend he's coming on and then you can come on and say you just got a text and then I will immediately say, now they're going to say I'm too afraid.
I'll be defensive about it and then we win.
jordan holmes
I think that's a great idea.
I think that's a great idea.
You have got some great ideas.
Oh my god, that's such a good idea.
Let's do it twice!
dan friesen
Text Pfizer back you up.
jordan holmes
Also, do you have more coke?
dan friesen
Did you get that good Boston shit?
So Alex is hurt.
He's hurt by this and he's like, fuck this.
Only big interviews from now on.
alex jones
We need to only go with the big interviews.
Because we have to do this dance with all these reporters and all their little neurotic, you know, OCD editors BS.
So I just said they probably wouldn't show up.
That's good.
We're done.
So I don't have time to talk to him now.
We've already talked to him last night, this morning, gone through all these gesticulations.
I told him I'd do a phone interview with him today when I'm in traffic driving home to pick my kids up.
But that's it.
We're done talking to them.
Okay, they want to have a stand-up fight.
We'll have it.
But we're not going to play patty cake.
We'll be back.
dan friesen
That sounds really cool if you didn't know that the whole beginning part was...
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
We're done with all these people.
So long as they text us in advance to let us know they won't come on the show.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Advance warning's nice.
dan friesen
Sure.
None of these tiny outlets like the Boston Globe.
Wasting everybody's time.
jordan holmes
We're going to do PatriotGunsInYourBalls.com interviews from now on.
dan friesen
Only that.
jordan holmes
Only Dick Wadmick, I'm going to fight you, is going to interview me from here on out.
dan friesen
Only unscrupulous blogs that do whatever I want.
So he's pretty mad about the media in general.
He was mad when he thought Visor was coming on.
He's only more mad now.
This has only gotten worse.
And so he decides that what he's going to do is, like, my advisor's not coming.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
But I'm still going to, like, prove Jade Helm.
Like, for all the media out there who's doubting me.
unidentified
Well, yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Just because he's not there in front of me doesn't mean I don't have a job to do, which is prove that soldiers are going to break into random people's houses across a few states in the middle of nowhere.
dan friesen
And they're going to be French.
jordan holmes
And they're going to be French.
dan friesen
The most terrifying part of all.
jordan holmes
The worst of the soldiers of all.
dan friesen
So what I think happened is maybe when Alex thought that Matt Visor was coming on, he prepared a little bit of stuff to be like, what about this?
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
I think he did a little bit of that, and then Matt Visor's not coming on, so Alex just decided, I mean, I can't waste it.
It's in the stackies.
Speaking of which.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Very dark moment for me.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
I was at a Walgreens, and I held a 450-sheet pack of paper in my hand, and I was like, I'm going to bring this as props.
As fake paper that I can have on top.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
I'm like, I don't think I can trust myself to recycle all of it.
And that's why I decided not to.
Not because it would look insane.
jordan holmes
You know, when you do the math on that, it's like, is the bit worth the waste?
You know?
And the answer is yes.
dan friesen
I think it's a maybe, but it's also talking about being at the Walgreens holding the paper and being sad.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
See, the problem...
dan friesen
That's a close second.
jordan holmes
The problem is you needed to take it to the Nakinko's and have them print out stackies on every single sheet of paper.
Just one over and over and over again.
And then the last one says, makes Jack a dull boy.
dan friesen
Too much stackies, no play.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So let's dive in here.
The basic framework is that Alex has a new video that is of just absolute tyranny.
Right.
And he starts talking about other stuff.
unidentified
Tyranny.
dan friesen
Instead of that one clip, he starts talking about other stuff.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
And it's not that I'm mad that you're trying to say I'm a coward.
I'm mad that you're liars.
So, this week better have me on.
See, I don't really want ratings.
You know they get more rage.
They just pulled a stunt to act like they tried to have him on.
Everybody's like, why don't you have him on?
So they've got to act like I won't come on.
unidentified
See?
alex jones
This is their whole culture.
Meanwhile, Infowars.com, alarming video footage from U.S. Marines training drill, which took place in Arizona last month, shows armed troops chasing down unruly citizens inside a mock internment camp while role players chant for food and water.
Now, before we get to that, let's play from a month ago.
Right around the same time, in California, next door, the Army National Guard training to take on sovereign citizens.
And when the sovereign citizen says, I have rights, I'm a sovereign citizen, that's when they attack with their baton.
Play that clip, then we'll play the new clip.
But if you're a radio listener, you've got to see this footage.
Infowars.com forward slash show.
We're streaming it live.
But let's go to the previous clip.
Here it is.
unidentified
I'm a dog citizen.
I refuse to recognize you guys.
alex jones
Okay.
unidentified
Now, let's go to, and we've got the, we've got other trips saying it, and we've got, Compelling.
jordan holmes
Very clear what was going on.
alex jones
It's for the Patriots.
It's for the veterans.
It's for the constitutionalists.
Should I play all those again and show you 25 articles?
I got a whole stack of mainstream news right here.
I had them reprint them when the media guy came in.
Wasteful.
Here, here.
Here's dozens of mainstream articles admitting they're training to fight the American people and gun owners.
Here.
Here, here.
This is for the Boston Globe.
But see, their editors don't want me to show you the man behind the curtain.
They don't want me to go, here, here's the proof, jackass.
Here it is right here.
They want to just go, liar, hates the military, racist, Boston bomber.
I mean, you know.
unidentified
Wait, what?
alex jones
It just doesn't work anymore.
There's a massive gear up for martial law.
dan friesen
So Alex is a little bit upset that some people are saying that Tamerlan Zarnov, one of the Boston bombers, was a fan of InfoWars.
jordan holmes
Oh, sure, just because all the terrorists like me.
dan friesen
Just because he was...
jordan holmes
Yeah, sure, sure.
dan friesen
I can't remember exactly the relative, but one of his sister-in-law or something is like, he's getting really into Infowars and the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
Like, oh, wow, what a shock, those two.
jordan holmes
Double down, yeah, that's no good.
dan friesen
So you like that clip?
jordan holmes
I was wondering what exactly...
So, first off, I have a question.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Is the National Guard known for batons?
dan friesen
Yes.
Yep.
Are they?
Uh-huh.
jordan holmes
I don't know anything about the National Guard, but I always thought it was, like, sub-military.
dan friesen
The Green Berets are known for piano wire.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
dan friesen
And the National Guard have their bonk.
jordan holmes
I was just, like, so it suddenly occurred to me, I was like, wait, I'm suddenly seeing, like, the 1950s British police with their dumb helmet hats on, just like...
Trying to beat up Benny Hill or whatever it is.
But instead they're American National Guardsmen.
dan friesen
Imagine if that was the video Alex wanted to show Matt Visor.
That would be amazing.
What now, Boston Globe?
So that clip that we just heard, Jordan, that was a blending of the two main stories from this episode today.
Alex is mad that people think he's too chicken to go on ABC News, and there's a military training drill that he's insisting is about bringing in this martial law.
So I find it really interesting that he's talking about, like, the main story is a video out of Arizona, but instead of covering that, he plays a different, older video from a different state.
The reason he does this is because the new footage...
unidentified
Is not that good.
dan friesen
It shows people in military uniforms they're training for detention methods, but that doesn't mean they're training to detain U.S. citizens, necessarily.
You can possibly be opposed to that kind of a training thing, but if you peel the layers of that onion back, defending that position eventually leads you to needing to support disbanding the military.
And I don't think Alex wants that.
jordan holmes
Doubtful.
dan friesen
If they're going to be serving in these kinds of roles, then they need to train, and that's often going to be using people as actors in these scenarios.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
So Alex plays this other video from California, so the audience will see any footage that they see subsequently through the prism of that video.
In that video, the person does say that they're a sovereign citizen, which you might have heard in the jarbled shit, which is Alex, he's using it to imply that they're U.S. citizens who the military is training to detain.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
But this introduces two problems.
First...
They're sovereign citizens in other countries.
And more importantly, sovereign citizens, they don't think they're U.S. citizens.
jordan holmes
I was gonna say, you can't be both a U.S. citizen and also not believe the United States government exists.
dan friesen
Right, right.
By demanding they be treated like U.S. citizens, Alex is contradicting sovereign beliefs, many of which he holds himself, but pretends he doesn't.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So that video that he's playing from California has a watermark on it that I was able to track down from a website called CourageSowers.com.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry?
dan friesen
Yeah, like sowing seeds, I think.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
That's my guess, anyway.
unidentified
All right, all right.
jordan holmes
So it's S-O-W.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
All right.
unidentified
So it could just be...
dan friesen
Not like Stitch.
jordan holmes
It could be Courageous Pigs.
dan friesen
It could be.
jordan holmes
There we go.
All right.
dan friesen
Whether it is or not, it's a pseudo-hippie type blog created by a couple who love to can things.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry, what?
dan friesen
Yeah, they got a lot of information about canning.
jordan holmes
So the place is called Courage Sewers.
dan friesen
Dot com.
jordan holmes
Dot com.
And it's more about, like, the joy of canning your own tomatoes and stuff?
dan friesen
Pickles.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
Okay.
I prefer that sovereign citizen belief system.
dan friesen
I'm not sure their position on sovereign citizenship, but they do believe it should be legal to can things.
jordan holmes
Okay, can you imagine all of those videos where some dude in 2014 was going through a police checkpoint with his phone right here just going like, I could totally drive through here without lowering my window all the way because these cans are delicious.
That would be nice.
dan friesen
It would give a better layer to the character for sure.
jordan holmes
It would be more fun.
dan friesen
So these Courage Sower folks, they have a YouTube channel which hosts eight videos, one of which is a video titled Richmond, California Dirty Bomb Drill 2015.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
The full clip is longer than what Alex plays, but all he needs is that person saying, I'm a sovereign citizen.
It may be worth noting that two of the participants in this drill appear to be in police uniforms, and the person claiming to be a sovereign citizen is wearing a Vans shirt and is very clearly improvising.
jordan holmes
It was actually Jason Lee.
dan friesen
It could have been.
jordan holmes
He was down on his luck.
dan friesen
His career wasn't going great.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It was 2015.
He had to get something going.
dan friesen
This was a harsh rebrand because he had taken off the mustache.
So at another point, a couple people called the military folks who were doing the training racists and everybody laughs.
After this dude says he's a sovereign citizen, people chuckle.
If you watch the fuller version of it, this guy is just like...
Hammond.
jordan holmes
He's having a great time.
dan friesen
Yeah, he's having a great time.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
And dicking around.
jordan holmes
He had dreams at one point, and they were never going to come true.
So this was his shot.
This was the local theater of...
dan friesen
He's gotten a lot more exposure out of this than maybe he realizes.
Thanks to courage sewers and a bunch of weirdos in the right wing.
jordan holmes
And now you know about him.
dan friesen
Right?
Congratulations.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
We all do.
dan friesen
So it's my assessment that this was a situation where the California Army National Guard was running a drill for crowd control in the case of a dirty bomb, and the people who were roleplaying as the crowd were not given very specific instructions.
jordan holmes
I don't actually know what a dirty bomb is other than a thing that will explode and then make you feel real bad.
dan friesen
It's filthy.
jordan holmes
It's gross.
dan friesen
This bomb is sick.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
alex jones
No one washed the bomb!
jordan holmes
It's other people's spit.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
In the bomb.
It, like, explodes and then it, like, drips on the forehead.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Have you ever been spit?
Oh, God, it sucks.
dan friesen
Dirty.
jordan holmes
Yeah, the little bubbles.
Yeah, exactly.
Thank you for confirming that feeling.
dan friesen
So this crowd that is, like, in this exercise, they're a disorganized mess.
And the guy who says that they're a sovereign citizen, if you watch this...
Which, I don't know if you need to, but if you do, you can tell he yearns for the stage.
Like, it's very, very obvious.
That's why Alex cuts that so short, because that's all you really need.
If you watch more of it, you're like, look at this asshole.
jordan holmes
His next words are, shall I suffer the slings and arrows of being a sovereign citizen?
dan friesen
Come on!
So also, it's important to point out, no one is getting detained or even attacked with clubs in the footage that Alex plays.
These soldiers are just forming and holding a line.
That's all that's going on.
unidentified
Sure, sure.
jordan holmes
And then it's clipped in.
dan friesen
You can find pictures and details about this training exercise, and it involves so much more than this little crowd control drill.
There were people in hazmat suits, all kinds of triage, and even some friendly bomb robots.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
Yeah, it was cool.
The only thing that matters is the optics.
jordan holmes
Wait, did you say friendly bomb robots?
dan friesen
I might be making that part up.
I can't confirm if they're friendly.
jordan holmes
I just like the idea of unfriendly bomb robots.
dan friesen
Shitty bomb robots.
jordan holmes
Alright, I guess we're going to send in the asshole bomb robot.
I don't know if anybody's going to survive.
dan friesen
How was your weekend?
Like I care.
Hip-hop robot's a dick.
unidentified
I don't even fucking like these people.
jordan holmes
Guy hit me with a baton the other day.
dan friesen
So the only thing that matters for Alex here is the optics of this one dum-dum improvising a line about being a sovereign citizen and how that proves that this whole thing was about training to round up all of his buddies.
It's ridiculous.
But it's the framing that he needs to portray every military training exercise, a secretly attack on himself and his compatriots and all his friends.
And I hope that Matt Visor would have laughed at him.
jordan holmes
That would have been fun.
It would have been more fun just because, like, it was clear from Visor's Vibzer.
Yep, I'm taking that one and I'm going home.
No.
No, it's clear that whenever he finally did get the email, he was not thinking clearly because he'd been stalking them for such a long time.
So he got the email and he's like, oh, I'm going to do it.
I'm going to go on your show for sure.
dan friesen
Yeah, this will be dumb, but I'm going to do it.
jordan holmes
And then an editor was like, you're just desperate, man.
You just got to stop doing this.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That would have been a nightmare for him.
He had no idea what he missed.
dan friesen
Just like...
Just Alex yelling at him about various improvisers.
It drills.
Coked out Rob Du sitting on the side watching.
Get him, get him, get him.
jordan holmes
Oh shit, we're invaded by the groundlings!
dan friesen
C 'est pas très bien.
C 'est pas très bien, eh?
jordan holmes
Yeah, come on!
dan friesen
That also...
That's also in French.
The sound is...
Okay, whatever.
jordan holmes
It's a cognate.
It's a cognate.
dan friesen
So Alex spends quite a bit of time talking about how he's actually right about all this Jade Helms stuff, and it's all a bit nonsensical.
And then Joe Biggs, Rambo Joe Biggs, comes in, and he has a little bit of an irresponsible report.
unidentified
What?
alex jones
Tell folks the information you've been documenting.
unidentified
So yesterday, I'd say around 6 p.m. hour time, central time, I got an email.
From an Oath Keeper that I know saying that, hey man, this guy just came to me with some really scary information.
I'm going to take screenshots of this stuff, send it to you.
So he sends me this, you know, email and I'm looking and I'm like, there's no way this can be true, what I'm reading right now.
We've got to vet this guy.
joe biggs
Can you get him in contact with me and tell him I need a copy of his military ID so I can at least get that part going so I can make sure this guy is who he is.
unidentified
He tells me what his MOS is.
It's a 15 Sierra.
That's a OH-58.
joe biggs
repair sounds legit I will helicopter that we use in Iraq and Afghanistan it's a little small bird we call them little birds it just holds two guys and he gets me the ID to him like alright and I asked him a few questions seems legit and what he's telling me is that he is so freaked out because what they're doing he said they were loading live ammunition on these Kiowa helicopters and these are going to be specifically used for Jade Helm
alex jones
And they're already loaded.
unidentified
Yes.
And like I said, I didn't go to this guy.
I didn't seek this person out.
joe biggs
This person reached out, and I was put in contact with him, and I'm currently vetting and trying to find out more information if I can get some pictures and video.
dan friesen
And they're already loaded.
unidentified
They are loaded, my man.
dan friesen
I feel like this maybe is a story that you should take the time to vet before you get on air.
Tell people that they're putting live ammunition in helicopters to shoot citizens.
jordan holmes
I do appreciate that we see two examples of journalism simultaneously.
You've got Visor, who has editors, and they're like, don't do that.
And then he does that.
He doesn't do it.
But then you've got Joe Biggs, who's like, some dude just texted me this thing.
It's probably true.
I'm looking into it, but I'm probably not.
Let's do it.
dan friesen
A friend of a friend told me they're putting live ammunition in helicopters to fuck with people.
That's severe.
jordan holmes
Can you imagine how long the show would be if every time Joe Biggs was like, I don't think this is true, he ended the sentence?
dan friesen
Oh, man.
jordan holmes
He was just like, I don't think this is true.
The end.
And then they don't continue on reporting it.
dan friesen
We got so much time to film.
Matt Visor canceled.
unidentified
Matt.
dan friesen
Makeup gossip.
jordan holmes
Visor sucks.
dan friesen
Yeah, fuck that guy.
I was very close to asking him to be a guest.
Yeah.
Just like, what was that like when Alex said no?
So, Alex gets into a bit of a heady mood after this irresponsible-ass coverage.
jordan holmes
That'll happen.
dan friesen
So he starts talking about the individual and the collective.
jordan holmes
Oh, no!
dan friesen
You might learn a few things here.
jordan holmes
I'm expecting to.
dan friesen
I think you will.
This is very educational.
alex jones
I'm an individual, but when you become a real individual, you then understand the collective.
They try to bring a collective that you submit to and give up your individualism.
No.
unidentified
We as individuals gravitate toward what's the core of the human spirit, the human drive, and then we collectively radiate those ideas and actions and build a harmonistic...
alex jones
What?
unidentified
What?
alex jones
And so I am the planet.
I am the people.
You are the people.
We are the species.
And we have to decide that we care about everybody.
But that doesn't mean then being told, oh, do this to show your moral.
You've got to go do research to really follow the right path to really help people.
You can't just give away your free will to the false corporate collective that it tells you is moral.
unidentified
What?
alex jones
I'm ranting now.
Briefly, we're running two specials right now.
Powerful concentrated herbs.
We have InfoWarsLife.com.
20% off super female vitality.
20% off super female vitality.
unidentified
Cool, man.
dan friesen
Cool, cool.
jordan holmes
Oh my god.
dan friesen
That's a lot of fun.
jordan holmes
Okay, so the individual is the collective.
dan friesen
And is the species.
We are the species.
jordan holmes
And the individual is the planet.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
But also, you shouldn't be the collective, even though you are the collective?
dan friesen
Be the...
What?
I don't know, man.
Do you want some pills?
jordan holmes
I'm telling you, man.
Rob Dew had some great ideas.
Be the collective, but also the individual, man.
Be the collective, but also the individual.
Where's Visor at?
I'll kill you!
dan friesen
It'd be so funny if all of the clips that I didn't play were just Alex being like, Rob Do is really smart.
Rob Do is really, really smart.
So that was, I always love it when he's getting all esoteric and kind of like philosophical and then it just goes straight into an ad.
And that made me think, maybe it's time for a commercial.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
So here is a little piece of one of Alex's commercials from 2015.
unidentified
Okay.
Communist China freely allows the sale of bulletproof armor plates, while our U.S. politicians argue from banning Americans from owning body armor.
Does that sound right to you?
Arm your American body at infidelbodyarmor.com.
jordan holmes
Infidel body armor!
unidentified
Just won't quit.
dan friesen
His messaging is strange.
Feels threatening, even though it's a defensive product.
jordan holmes
Infidel body armor seems to have a purpose in mind.
Before you even begin.
And a target for somehow defensive weaponry.
dan friesen
It is strange.
jordan holmes
Yeah, this bulletproof vest is only for Muslims.
It does not protect against sovereign citizen bullets.
dan friesen
Uh-uh.
What about people who are role-playing as sovereign citizens?
jordan holmes
Ooh, that's dangerous.
Depends on what their real religion is.
unidentified
Hmm.
Hmm.
jordan holmes
Everyone stops, absorbs what just happened, and is ready to move on.
Gotcha.
You're alright, not us.
I'm with you.
dan friesen
So, the beginning of this show, I would say a great deal of it, is this fake Matt Visor drama.
Alex is mad about ABC.
People saying that he cancelled.
He didn't cancel.
And then, thinking he's going to be able to prove his point about Jade Helm and what have you.
Joe Biggs.
You know, spreading some shit.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
So that's kind of the first chunk.
And then the rest of it is a lot of GMO nonsense.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
It is...
jordan holmes
Oh, that's right, because he brought up Monsanto.
unidentified
He did.
jordan holmes
Yes, okay.
dan friesen
Yes, he did.
jordan holmes
That makes sense.
dan friesen
Which I'm no fan of.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
dan friesen
I don't like Monsanto.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they're bad.
dan friesen
Sure.
Still think Alex is wrong about a lot of stuff, but...
You know, Monsanto's not cool.
Maybe?
I don't know.
Is this a Monsanto crowd?
jordan holmes
This is everybody in Baltimore depends on Monsanto and natural bohemian to survive.
Okay?
There's corn that only grows once and then there's beer that kills you.
unidentified
Those are the only two things you get here!
dan friesen
So he has two guests on to talk about GMO stuff.
And one of them is a guy named Jeffrey Smith.
And I'm just going to play a little clip of their interview because I thought it was mostly very boring.
But...
There's a vibe that you get that I thought was really interesting.
unidentified
Okay.
We've tracked in the epidemiological trends what is related to the increase of GMOs or what's related to the increase of Roundup.
The list of diseases is astonishing.
Deaths from stroke.
Deaths from senile dementia.
Deaths from obesity.
Deaths from high blood pressure.
alex jones
And by the way, we see all that going up.
I mean, every week I hear about some...
25 year old woman or 30 year old guy who just dies of a stroke.
It's just crazy.
dan friesen
So the whole vibe that I get listening to this is just like oh you guys haven't figured out the COVID vaccine yet.
jordan holmes
Nah.
alex jones
Nope.
dan friesen
You haven't gotten there yet.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's all the same stuff, but it's about GMO and glyphosate.
It's all the exact same narratives.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And that same stuff being pitched.
jordan holmes
I mean, it would have made more sense if we injected ourselves with Roundup during COVID.
Then I'd have been like, yeah, yeah, yeah, this guy's on to something.
Don't do that.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
That's bad for you.
dan friesen
That may be bad.
jordan holmes
That's probably poisons.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So you can even hear Alex being like, there's 20-year-old people having strokes.
That's never happened before.
Sure, sure, sure.
It's the same talking point.
jordan holmes
There's kids playing soccer that just die of a heart attack.
Just like that!
Gotcha.
unidentified
Same thing?
dan friesen
It's very strange that you see these mirrors, these echoes through time that's like, ah, you're doing the same shit.
jordan holmes
It's dark.
dan friesen
Yeah, it is.
It's a little bit of a bummer.
jordan holmes
In a way, we definitely won't be sad ten years from now when we're doing the exact same thing.
unidentified
Yeah!
dan friesen
God, I hope not.
But if we do, we'll be right back here in Baltimore!
We'll be right back here in Baltimore!
Drinking Natty Bone.
Stealing the Utz mascot.
jordan holmes
And the wife.
dan friesen
So Alex has another guest about the GMOs.
There's a guy named Percy Schmeiser.
unidentified
What?
dan friesen
Percy Schmeiser.
jordan holmes
Oh, just like the Beastie Boys say.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
I drink Budweiser, Percy Schmeiser.
jordan holmes
Percy Schmeiser.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's good.
Okay, here's the introduction.
alex jones
And Percy Schmeiser is, again, a farmer from Bruno, Saskatchewan, Canada.
I interviewed him when it was literally first in the news.
I'm proud of that fact.
He specializes in breeding and growing canola.
What?
I mean, he creates his own amazing seed line.
They didn't like that.
That's who they target.
They bought up the original seed line.
See, it's a monopoly.
He became an international symbol and spokesman for interdependent farmers'rights and the regulation of transgenetic crops during his protracted legal battle with multinational agricultural company Monsanto.
He was the subject of the 2009 David versus Monsanto film.
Schmeiser served as mayor of Bruno from 66 to 83 and as town counselor since 2003.
Wait, what?
Wait, what?
Mahatma Gandhi Award for working for the good of mankind in a nonviolent way.
That's a big global award, the Mahatma Gandhi Award.
I just have given it by their family.
dan friesen
Pretty cool.
unidentified
Pretty cool.
jordan holmes
I understand if you're talking about it like it's a word you've read and you've never heard said out loud before.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
But if you don't know how to pronounce Mahatma Gandhi, I think you're telling us a lot more than just I have not read that name recently.
dan friesen
Right, right.
jordan holmes
Who?
unidentified
Sir Ben Kingsley!
dan friesen
So Percy Schmeiser is a farmer from Canada who had Monsanto canola seeds find their way onto his land back in 1997.
This led to Monsanto suing him and what can only be described as a cascade of negative PR for Monsanto, which, to be fair, they probably deserved.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
To be...
unidentified
Ah!
Fuck them!
dan friesen
To be totally clear, Monsanto didn't sue him because some of their canola was accidentally seeded onto his property.
After he discovered that herbicide-resistant canola was there, he separately harvested that for seed and replanted it the next season so widely that his 1,000-acre crop was 95 to 98 percent from that seed.
Which is what Monsanto ended up suing him over.
The retention and keeping of this.
It's still kind of bullshit.
jordan holmes
Wait, so if I understand correctly, what else could they sue you over if it just finds its way onto your land and you're like, this helps.
dan friesen
If it was just, like, blown on in a little bit, I don't think they could sue him.
I think they probably wouldn't have been able to.
I think it's still bullshit, though.
But I think people often oversimplify it, like, oh, just a few seeds got on there, and then Monsanto fucked him over.
He did take affirmative action.
jordan holmes
He took it to Monsanto.
And he's like, I'm gonna get your free shit.
I'm gonna get your shit for free.
I like it.
I'll take that.
dan friesen
And then you got sued for taking your free shit.
jordan holmes
Well, there is that.
dan friesen
So the case made it all the way to the Canadian Supreme Court, who decided that Monsanto...
unidentified
Do they have one of those?
dan friesen
They do!
jordan holmes
Oh my god.
dan friesen
You're gonna find out the hard way when we get to Toronto.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I know.
I wonder if I'm invited.
dan friesen
So they, the court, that you do not respect...
jordan holmes
I do not acknowledge...
Acknowledge the Canadian Supreme Court's revolving.
dan friesen
You're a sovereign citizen, but only in Canada.
jordan holmes
But only in Canada.
dan friesen
So they decided that Monsanto had a valid patent for the gene that made their canola herbicide resistant, but they also found that Schmeiser didn't have to pay them anything because there was no evidence that he made additional profit by using the seeds that contained the patented gene.
So in the end, the court kind of ruled against him on all the issues, but he was personally fine.
He can just go.
jordan holmes
Just to let everybody know, we have wasted everybody's time.
dan friesen
For years!
jordan holmes
Waste of everybody's time, but guess what?
unidentified
A lot of lawyers got paid, baby!
dan friesen
So after this, he became a folk hero, the anti-GMO folks.
And in 2022, there was a movie made about him called Percy, where he's played by Christopher Walken.
jordan holmes
There's not enough guys.
There's not enough guys, but he did later star in Percy Jackson as Schmeiser.
dan friesen
So this movie about the guy, it was directed by Clark Johnson, who played Gus, the newspaper editor, in season five of The Wire, which I'm contractually obligated to bring up once while we're on this tour.
So that was where I got it in.
jordan holmes
We have been told by no fewer than four people about either The Wire or how great crime is here.
dan friesen
The cab driver.
jordan holmes
I don't mean that it's low.
I mean that you guys are fucking great at it.
dan friesen
So Percy did win the Mahatma Gandhi Award, as Alex points out.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
But Alex is kind of wrong.
It's not given out by the Gandhi family.
jordan holmes
I would not be surprised if that was the case.
dan friesen
It's awarded by the Gandhi Global Family, which is an NGO that works with the UN.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
So Alex should definitely not be...
jordan holmes
No, no.
dan friesen
He should not like them that much.
jordan holmes
It'd be kind of weird if the Gandhi family specifically gave out awards.
Just like randomly.
You remind me of Mahatma!
You got one!
dan friesen
You kept going when Monsanto sued you.
Good job!
jordan holmes
Reminds me of a thing.
dan friesen
So, I didn't think this interview was all that interesting either, honestly.
And part of the reason is Percy seems kind of just like a nice old man who's a farmer.
And Alex...
Does Alex?
jordan holmes
Eh, well, that's about as good as he's gonna get.
dan friesen
So this dynamic, I thought, was really well embodied by this clip, where Percy is talking about, like, Monsanto telling him, like, no one stands up to us.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And then you'll hear how serious Alex is as a person.
unidentified
And coming out the door of the Assembly of the South African Parliament, one of Monsanto's reps ran into my wife and myself, and he shook his fist in our face and said, no one, no one ever stands up to us.
up to Montana.
We're going to get both of you somehow someday and we're going to destroy you.
So you can imagine the pressure that we had on us at a time that went to the stream Stay there, Percy.
alex jones
We're going to give you the floor in a long 18-minute segment coming up.
Sounds like the Borg.
We will assimilate you.
Resistance is futile.
unidentified
We are here to assimilate you.
Submit.
alex jones
Submit to Cybertron.
Submit to Megatron.
Hand yourselves over to GMO.
No one will be spared on the march.
unidentified
The Empire's on the run.
dan friesen
Hell yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh my god.
dan friesen
Percy's talking about like, we went all the way to the Supreme Court and someone from Monsanto said, no one stands up to us and I fought the good fight.
Boop!
jordan holmes
I like where you're going, but I want to explain it to my audience.
It's like Star Trek!
It's the Borg!
They're coming for you!
dan friesen
And I'm so good at voices.
Here is the Borg.
jordan holmes
I am the Borg.
dan friesen
It's not really an episode of Alex Doesn't Do a Voice, I think.
I think at this point.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I think you're right.
dan friesen
So it's kind of a bummer, you know?
The whole rest of this episode is like, I don't care.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean, it's cool that the guy, like, won?
dan friesen
Sort of.
unidentified
Did he win?
jordan holmes
No, he lost, but he won.
dan friesen
Monsanto won on the issues, but he won in terms of, I don't owe Monsanto a shitload of money.
jordan holmes
What a weird world.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
That's a push, right?
Like, how do you go to court and just get a push?
It's like, ah, we tied.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
What?
jordan holmes
That's Canada.
You tie here.
unidentified
What?
jordan holmes
Yeah, Canada, you tie.
dan friesen
We went to the Supreme Court and they're like, why did we do this?
jordan holmes
Ah, come on.
dan friesen
The verdict was, whoops.
jordan holmes
The verdict in Canada's Supreme Court is, we kind of want to make everybody happy.
We're sorry for wasting your time!
dan friesen
That is true.
I did read the court case from the Supreme Court, the brief that ended up from this case, and it does end with, I'm sorry.
jordan holmes
We apologize for the inconvenience.
dan friesen
So, I didn't want...
There's nothing else from the episode to go over.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
But I do have one more clip for you all.
And that is because there's another commercial.
And this commercial contains a song that has plagued me forever.
jordan holmes
Oh my god, I'm so excited.
dan friesen
It is a company that has...
Sponsored his show over years.
So I've heard this commercial.
Can't even count how many times.
unidentified
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
But it's not the same commercial.
It's the same company.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
But it's different commercials.
And this commercial freaks me the fuck out.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
It is one of the weirdest commercials I've ever heard.
jordan holmes
You are hyping it as if we were born to hype!
dan friesen
I was!
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
unidentified
All right.
All right.
Hey neighbor, what are you doing digging?
You had a heart attack last year.
What?
Oh, I know.
I was told no more hard labor.
What?!
Well boy.
Actually, we've taken herbs for thousands of years.
Extendivite is doing the job for me.
Does your doctor know about Extendivite?
Yeah, my doctor knows, and he said it seems to be working for you, so don't stop taking it.
I feel great taking Extendivite.
I don't want to stop.
dan friesen
Okay, man.
unidentified
Getting really defensive about you taking this Extendivite.
dan friesen
I'm just your neighbor.
I was just trying to be polite, asking you why you're out here digging.
You had a heart attack.
You're out here digging, and now you're telling me about garlic and cayenne.
jordan holmes
He explained why he's digging.
You just had a heart attack last week.
Yeah, I know.
Why do you think I'm fucking digging?
You think my wife can afford a gravestone?
No!
That's why I'm taking Extendivite!
unidentified
It's not a drug!
dan friesen
Legally, it is not a drug.
jordan holmes
Also, I love a commercial that in the middle of the commercial is just like...
Hey, does your doctor know about this?
Don't worry about it and don't ask.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He totally does.
unidentified
He's cool.
jordan holmes
He said it was a great idea.
I love it.
But again, don't ask your doctor because mine knows about it.
dan friesen
You can go see my guy.
He knows.
And the last line is, I don't want to stop taking it.
unidentified
At no point does she say, stop taking this stuff.
dan friesen
It freaks me out.
unidentified
And extend your life with Extender Hoover.
dan friesen
I sing that in the shower.
It has plagued me.
And now it will do the same to you all.
Unfortunately.
jordan holmes
Extend-a-light.
Extend-o-vite.
dan friesen
Extend-o-invitation?
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
I bet it's not still available.
jordan holmes
You don't think so?
dan friesen
I bet they...
Gotten.
Let's say they've made it to the Canadian Supreme Court.
jordan holmes
I'll tell you this.
Based on that commercial, I don't think it even exists.
I think if you order Extendovite, you will get a big box of nothing.
dan friesen
You'll get just cloves of garlic.
Spicy garlic.
jordan holmes
No wonder your doctor knows about it.
dan friesen
I do like that that commercial, too, is like a bad sketch.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
It's great.
Like, if someone was doing that intentionally, it's pretty funny.
jordan holmes
No, if I was at Second City and somebody was like, hey, why are you digging?
You just had a heart attack last week.
I'd be like, ah, that's a shit premise.
That's no good.
That's no good.
You can't yes and that.
dan friesen
See, now this is dangerous because we come from stand-up, so when we see a phone, that is like the get-the-fuck-off-stage sign.
Yeah, absolutely!
But it's even worse news, and that is that ExtendoVite is still available.
jordan holmes
I just like that we've developed an audience that is not just going to let that shit fly.
dan friesen
No.
unidentified
Alright?
dan friesen
And, you know, as soon as you asked, I was like, I fucked up because I don't have ten minutes of...
Lore about Extendivite.
I just heard a fucked up commercial.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
Well, Jordan, how do you feel?
How do you feel like you've learned a lot?
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
unidentified
I mean, man, I still don't know whether or not I am an individual or the collective.
dan friesen
Here's the great news.
It doesn't matter.
jordan holmes
Okay, that's nice.
dan friesen
Because super male vitality will make you feel weird.
And then you'll get it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that does actually sound right.
Oh my god.
dan friesen
Still available.
unidentified
Extendovite.
jordan holmes
That sounds also like adjacent to a dick pill, right?
Extendovite.
dan friesen
Kind of all of these things could work.
They probably do.
They probably work great.
jordan holmes
Dan, why are you fucking your wife?
You just had a heart attack last week.
dan friesen
Well, my doctor's cool.
It's been our show!
Thank you all so much!
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