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Feb. 5, 2024 - Knowledge Fight
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#896: February 2, 2024

In this installment, Dan and Jordan discuss Alex Jones breaking down a very major, exclusive story, then getting side-tracked by the pressing need to sell silver, only to descend into a series of mood swings.

Participants
Main voices
a
alex jones
23:49
d
dan friesen
52:38
j
jordan holmes
25:26
Appearances
c
chase geiser
01:14
k
kirk elliott
02:27
Clips
p
pastor david manning
00:02
t
tim enlow
00:56
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Speaker Time Text
alex jones
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys.
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
Dan and Jordan.
knowledge fight.
Need money.
Andy and Kansas.
alex jones
Andy and Kansas.
Stop it.
Andy and Kansas.
Andy and Kansas.
It's time to pray.
Andy and Kansas, you're on the air.
unidentified
I love you.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes that sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
unidentified
Jordan.
alex jones
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Quick question for you.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
What's your brain spot today, buddy?
dan friesen
My brain spot today is zip in the mailbag.
I didn't get the name because you opened the box, but we got a couple of nice mugs.
jordan holmes
The fool, I opened the box.
dan friesen
I got some nice mugs from...
jordan holmes
From Miscellaneous Art.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Oh.
Well, that's not fair!
That's hardly fair!
That's not a name?
Well, it's spelled incorrectly, so I assume that it is a...
dan friesen
M-I-S-S?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Charlotte, North Carolina.
dan friesen
Okay.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I get a nice mug that says, be the eldritch horror you wish to see in the world, and you got one that says, I don't care what the Founding Fathers felt.
jordan holmes
I really don't.
I really don't.
Yep.
dan friesen
Very nice.
You know what?
Mugs are...
I don't know if it's my age.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
But it's the kind of collection I'm interested in having.
I like socks and mugs.
Getting to that age.
jordan holmes
I've reached socks joyfully.
Love socks.
I've got a lot of...
I had a lot of mugs.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
To the point where I got annoying when people get...
Because, you know, I'm a coffee guy.
unidentified
Yeah, you are.
jordan holmes
So people regularly got me mugs.
And then I moved in with my wife.
And all of my mugs have disappeared over time, so this is going to be exciting.
dan friesen
Do you think she's stashing them somewhere?
jordan holmes
I don't know.
I don't know.
I know that somebody needs to put me in my place sometimes, and she's doing a great job most of the time.
dan friesen
So you get your mugs in storage somewhere.
jordan holmes
Something like that.
dan friesen
But you can start rebuilding.
jordan holmes
This is a lovely, this is a great day.
dan friesen
Wonderful.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Hakuna Matata.
jordan holmes
Indeed.
dan friesen
So what's your bright spot?
jordan holmes
My bright spot is, I was lucky enough.
To join two other podcasts last week.
alex jones
What?
jordan holmes
Yeah!
Yeah, which is fun.
I got both of my podcast appearances in for the year.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Last year, I think I guessed it on two, so it got out of the way early this year.
dan friesen
Yeah, you said.
jordan holmes
The quota was reached...
dan friesen
Kick back.
Take your shoes off.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
No requests for Dan.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
I'm just kidding.
jordan holmes
Coast to Coast PM and Libations for Everyone were both the podcasts that I did.
It's weird that I can't, you know.
dan friesen
Coast to Coast PM, a Coast to Coast AM podcast?
jordan holmes
Yep, yep.
I was weird.
It was weird listening to George Norrie.
From us.
dan friesen
It's all legs.
jordan holmes
From our, yeah, no, no.
From our thing, I kind of still think that that's all dead.
You know, even now.
I was on the show when we were doing a current episode of Coast to Coast.
dan friesen
Oh, yeah, it's still on.
jordan holmes
Even now, right now, I'm talking to you.
I'm like, you remember how Coast to Coast used to exist?
Mm-hmm.
unidentified
That was the show, you know?
dan friesen
Well, Coast to Coast is such a fascinating thing because it's gone through so many permutations.
You know, you had the Art Bell years.
George Norris, dumbass.
And, yeah.
Even with George Nori, I think there's eras.
Yeah.
My feeling is, early on there was a lot more paranormal shit going on.
unidentified
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
And that kind of stuff.
And now there's this weird right-wing conspiracy bullshit.
Maybe still some ghosts here and there.
jordan holmes
We did a ghost.
dan friesen
I loved the shit out of that when I'd be at work at the movie theater.
You know, you have to stay there pretty late.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
When I was managing theater, counting down drawers, listening to George and Ori take phone calls about nonsense.
Great.
Great times.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we talked, I think there was a guy who could talk to the earth.
Like the total, the earth spirit.
dan friesen
We all can.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean.
dan friesen
It just doesn't talk back.
unidentified
Wow, well.
dan friesen
That's what's special about this guy, I imagine.
jordan holmes
Or at least we can't understand it.
Yep.
dan friesen
Well, that's fun.
jordan holmes
Big thanks to those two shows.
Check them out.
dan friesen
Sweet.
So, Jordan, we have a show to do today.
And it's going to be a present day episode.
We're going to talk about February 2nd.
That's Friday.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
2024.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
So the convoy and the whole situation with the border is still ongoing.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I have a theory that Alex feels a little left behind by some of this stuff.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Because he's not really that important in terms of this kicking off, this popularizing on right-wing social media.
And I feel like he's like, I'm cool.
And we'll get down to business on those feelings and how he can kick rocks.
Before that, until then, let's say hello to some new wonks.
jordan holmes
I think it was a great idea.
dan friesen
So first, Mutt, Skunky, and Libby Giesop.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much!
dan friesen
Probably Giesop.
Next, Jumbo Lump.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
unidentified
Thank you.
dan friesen
Next, shout out to my dog Leona celebrating her ninth birthday on December 31st and cancer-free test results.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
unidentified
Thank you.
dan friesen
Next, can I interest you in an ape?
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
And you guys got me through a redundancy and separation over the past three months.
I got a job and signed up.
Thank you very much.
All capital letters in the thank you very much and three exclamation points.
Thank you very much.
You're a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much!
dan friesen
Thank you.
And I can't tell if this is one or two technocrats that we have here.
jordan holmes
Oh, it's one.
dan friesen
Okay, it's one.
So it's a message, and then the second line is the name.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Okay, so we got a technocrat in the mix, George.
So thank you so much to Dan.
I'm increasing my contribution so you can buy better hot dogs from Andy, a bureaucrat in D.C. Thank you so much.
You're no longer a bureaucrat.
You're now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
pastor david manning
Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
alex jones
Daddy Shark.
Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
unidentified
He's a loser little titty baby.
alex jones
I don't want to hate black people.
I renounce Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
You know, it is weird.
I don't know if I need better quality hot dogs, but since that food poisoning, I have not been interested in hot dogs.
I don't want to go near one.
I think I got burned.
I think that's how it goes sometimes.
jordan holmes
Your dad make you smoke the whole carton.
That's what happened.
dan friesen
Threw up that whole carton.
jordan holmes
You ate too many hot dogs one time and now you're done.
dan friesen
I didn't eat too many.
jordan holmes
No, no, I understand.
unidentified
They were...
dan friesen
And he would have been too many of those ones.
jordan holmes
One bite was too many.
dan friesen
Yeah, those ones.
And, you know, I should have known better.
alex jones
Sure.
dan friesen
Anyway, we get into this episode, February 2nd.
Yes.
And Alex has decided, hey, I'm bankrupt.
My company's bankrupt.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
We're all having some trouble here.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But you know what?
I'm going to throw some money at sending people to the border.
jordan holmes
Sure!
alex jones
You've been pinned down because of financial issues, as you know, the last few years.
You know the border like two or three times a year.
And I want to have people at the border full time because...
The Border Patrol, the National Guard, the State Guard, they're all on our side.
The feds down there that are rank and file are on our side.
I'd say 95% of them.
It is a target-rich environment, to tell the truth.
So, I finally, in the bankruptcy, and moving forward as we're doing better here, got funding to send a couple security guys, a couple reporters, camera people, down to the border.
But it's our security people, particularly Tim Enloe, that has...
This guy, he never talks about his military service, but the Army, the Marines, Blackwater, Austin police officers, SWAT team, three-letter agencies, federal marshal, you know, air marshal.
He's done it all.
He wants to know everything.
He trains state police and the local police, the SWAT team training.
He's like the guy that they can send in for that.
He's like a really amazing guy.
He's a good friend of mine, head of security from Fort Worth.
Enloe has all these contacts.
And he went down there and the Border Patrol, all of them just said, here's everything.
The documents, everything.
And they said, we're really concerned about a false flag right now.
jordan holmes
Should we be doing this?
Probably not.
Whatever.
alex jones
You think Biden's about to stage a terror attack down here.
I mean, this is us.
This is our guys in meetings.
And let me tell you, the meetings I had with Enloe was like with high-level federal judges.
I'm not going to say how high-level because it's as high as you can go other than like the Supreme Court.
We're talking the people.
dan friesen
Is it like when you have to go to court, is that a meeting with a judge?
Because then maybe I believe Alex.
jordan holmes
That is a good question.
dan friesen
So it's interesting how Alex called the border a target-rich environment.
Obviously he's not using that term in the sense of targeting people, but that's an expression that's used primarily in war and hunting, to express a situation where there's an abundance of targets for you to shoot at.
jordan holmes
Prey!
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
In Alex's meaning, he's saying that there's an overflowing of opportunities for him to create sensationalized xenophobic propaganda targeting immigrants and refugees.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
The border is essentially a goldmine from him, from a propaganda standpoint, so I guess...
He's saying that he was able to free up some bankruptcy funds to send some idiots and security down there to exploit the situation.
Among these security people is Tim Inlow, who Alex is giving a very exaggerated resume.
It is true, though, that he was in Blackwater, something that should have made Alex never consider hiring him.
But oh well.
jordan holmes
You'd think.
dan friesen
I guess when Alex said all that stuff about Blackwater back in the day, he didn't actually mean it.
All the talk about them being the globalist paramilitary force, how they were running gun confiscation after Hurricane Katrina, how they were going to be used as the domestic military policing force to get around posse comitatus.
I guess that was all just shit-talking, because now a guy who was with Blackwater is ahead of his security.
Yeah.
On top of that, in other texts, you see him going on vacations with Alex and being involved in discussions about merch designs.
Essentially, he has a much larger presence in the company than the title of head of security might deny.
jordan holmes
That's weird.
dan friesen
Yeah, what the exact nature of his role is would be anyone's guess, but I do think that a lot of this stuff about high-level judges and all that bullshit might be a little exaggerated.
unidentified
Ugh.
dan friesen
Yeah.
He got his hand on all the documents.
jordan holmes
That's creepy.
dan friesen
It is a little bit.
jordan holmes
I don't like that at all.
If you...
Okay.
Here's my...
Okay.
All right.
So here is me thinking the way that I think, right?
I think Blackwater Mercenary's bad.
unidentified
For...
jordan holmes
Moral reasons or philosophical reasons, whatever your argument is, right?
But then I have a Blackwater guy coming to me, and I know, regardless of my moral and philosophical objections, I know quality is quality, and that man's quality, right?
dan friesen
How would this, I mean, it would be like me taking on Paul Joseph Watson as a co-host.
jordan holmes
That is my point.
My point is that it doesn't matter after, you can never ever trust him.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
And the quality itself is a reason you can't trust him.
dan friesen
Yeah, he's really good at the terrible thing.
jordan holmes
Exactly!
And part of that terrible thing is convincing you that he's your friend.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I find it very funny, the idea, like, it's almost on the level of, like, Alex having somebody who's deeply involved in the Bilderberg Group or Trilateral Commission.
I guess Steve Pachanek was involved in some of that stuff.
jordan holmes
I would say it's a little bit, from my perspective...
If I had a Blackwater guy as my head of security and Blackwater was part of the cosmology of evil around me, it would be a little bit like when, you know, in movies when they're like, oh yeah, the head of MI6 was also the, was an agent for the KGB!
And you're like, well yeah, that's the best place to protect from being caught.
Directing the investigation into yourself.
That makes sense.
Yeah.
dan friesen
I just think it's a bad choice.
jordan holmes
It's a bad choice.
dan friesen
So Alex has this massive news that has to do with stuff that someone handed over to Tim Enloe.
All right.
And yeah, I don't know if I'm into it.
alex jones
And so we're going to break some massive, massive news.
I talk about a Rosetta Stone.
I talk about a keyhole.
You know, they couldn't decipher the Egyptian hieroglyphics until...
150 years ago or whatever it was.
You can look it up.
dan friesen
It was a bird.
alex jones
Maybe 200 years ago.
They found the Rosetta Stone that was the decoder for a classroom for kids, how to read a hieroglyph.
And then once you had the Rosetta Stone, that's why they call that big computer program that teaches you any language the Rosetta program.
Once you got that, you got it all.
This is ultra-massive news.
How is Biden planning a civil war?
How's he planning to sick the NSA on the American people?
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
How are they planning to roll all this out?
We now know from the feds who have been briefed on all of it.
Folks, we don't just have whistleblowers in the Border Patrol or the FBI or the state police or the Guard.
We have them at Fort Meade at the NSA.
Alright?
Yeah, the NSA.
I mean...
I'll be lucky to be alive at the end of this day.
But we're about to drop all the data.
Tomorrow's news today, bitches.
dan friesen
Whoa.
unidentified
Whoa.
dan friesen
Spoiler alert, Alex.
jordan holmes
Failed himself.
Failed himself a little bit.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Spoiler alert, Alex survived.
So Alex has some details wrong here about the Rosetta Stone.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah?
alex jones
What about it?
dan friesen
It wasn't a stone that was in classrooms for kids.
That's ridiculous.
It was a decree that priests put out extolling the virtues of Ptolemy V, the Greek ruler who was over Egypt at the time.
Because this Greek rule was over the Egyptian citizens, there was a need for there to be multiple scripts included in the decrees that were sent down from on high.
There are a bunch of these decrees that include hieroglyphics, Egyptian demotic text, and Greek script, which align for the translation of hieroglyphics through the Greek, which previously had been something we weren't successful in doing.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
The Rosetta Stone was the first of these to be discovered in 1799, but since then there have been a number of others found.
It's somewhat ironic as a piece of history that without colonialism we may never have known how to translate these Egyptian scripts.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Might have been lost to history.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, think about it this way, right?
Imagine yourself a thousand years in the future.
France is gone.
The only way people learn how to understand French is through québécois signs that they find from the apocalypse.
dan friesen
That could be.
jordan holmes
You know what I'm saying?
dan friesen
Is that how you pronounce it?
Because I always like it just québécois.
jordan holmes
Uh...
I don't know.
I bet they'll get mad at me either way.
dan friesen
Yeah, they're mad at both of us.
jordan holmes
They're mad at everybody.
dan friesen
So Alex relaying the story.
jordan holmes
And that's why the French will get mad at me.
dan friesen
He's telling the story of the Rosetta Stone being used for children in a school.
That's a great example of something that he doesn't know or is making up that he's reporting confidently to the audience.
If you listen to Alex's show enough with patience and attention, you'll find that this dynamic pops up constantly.
And it really should make you ask the question.
If Alex is confident doing this kind of distorting with facts, Can you imagine this confidently saying something that you made up, that you completely made up, improvised off the top of your head, confidently saying was true?
Right.
Here's what I think.
First of all, confidence is insane.
Second, I could not stop thinking that Alex thought these kids in Egypt were native English speakers who needed to be taught the demotic script and bioglyphics.
jordan holmes
That's what I think!
That's what I see!
dan friesen
Yeah, he thinks that they're going from English to...
jordan holmes
I even see him, like, in his mind, he's imagining, like, a 1910 schoolhouse with those little desks, and it's just...
dan friesen
Everyone look at the stone!
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's exactly like pilgrims, but they're Egyptians!
dan friesen
It's the same thing!
So, at this point, Alex goes to a pre-recorded video that he made, and so this is laying out the big conspiracy of the day.
alex jones
It's Friday, February 2nd, 2024.
We have two huge breaking stories right now that are exclusive to InfoWars.
We have a team on the border at Eagle Pass, not just our reporter Chase Geyser, but seasoned former military and law enforcement who've also worked for major three-letter agencies.
I'll leave it at that.
jordan holmes
Chase Geyser at Eagle Pass.
alex jones
We have incredible contacts within the U.S. government.
The State Guard, you name it.
Yesterday evening, I got a call from Tim Enloe, the head of Infowars Security.
He's one of those people that has extensive background in the government.
I'll leave it at that.
And he has the sources down there known to him, who he met with.
And he was shown the Homeland Security FBI memo that came through yesterday.
...mourning to the main Border Patrol facility there in Eagle Pass on the Texas-Mexico border, and they told them imminent threat of a white supremacist attack on the illegal alien migrants that were gathering there at Eagle Pass and on the Border Patrol facility.
dan friesen
So, I mean, he's being a little bit screwy with details on this.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
The Department of Homeland Security FBI memo came to the Border Patrol.
There's a lot of, like, weird pieces that I think he's just kind of riffing.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But I could see a memo like this being real.
Like, I don't know.
I don't have much faith in Infowars and their ability to source anything, as we, you know, bring to mind the Soros-Antifa contract.
But if I'm just putting aside my very heavy cynicism, this seems like something that could exist in a law enforcement memo.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
There's every reason to be on high alert for some kind of accelerationist, likely white supremacist act of violence around the border.
It's a high-tension situation, and there are groups who would very much like to snap that tension by carrying out some kind of violence.
That doesn't mean it's gonna happen, and who knows what kind of information actual law enforcement agencies have, but I think that if they didn't have at least some level of heightened awareness or alert, they would be asleep at the wheel.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Alex doesn't get into it immediately, but the reason that this is something he's reporting on is because the fact that they made this alert is evidence that the globalists are planning a false flag to blame it on right-wing anti-immigrant folks.
This is purely preemptive damage control in case something happens and someone in his community does decide to enact some violence.
By laying this track ahead of time when the acts of domestic terrorism come, you don't need to reflect on your own actions and how they feed into inciting violence because you can just say it was a false flag to make you look bad.
This is legitimately one of Alex and the greater conspiracy community's greatest tricks.
Because there's basically nothing they can't deny by just saying everything's a false flag.
They can actually make themselves a victim of it.
This is actually being done to me.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
As it stands, as I prepared this episode, Alex hasn't produced this memo, so it's impossible for me to gauge any context, but it's very clear what his intentions are with reporting it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So this is one of the big narrative pieces, is this memo that was allegedly shown to Tim Enloe.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I don't think it would be in an FBI memo that that border itself is an act of white supremacy.
unidentified
Oh, shit.
jordan holmes
That's right.
That's too deep for the FBI.
They couldn't get into that kind of...
How could they even stop to think about it?
alex jones
The FBI needs to take some shrooms, man.
jordan holmes
They need to get fucked up and really think about what it is they're doing down there, man.
dan friesen
Okay, I'm going to let you get back to the drum circle and I'll play this next clip.
jordan holmes
The border's white.
alex jones
Now, we then learned later last night and this morning the big exclusive.
To legitimize activating facial recognition software that the NSA has dialed in to the State, federal, and local, as well as many private cameras in South Texas,
this terror alert was issued that our sources believe is fake as a pretext to turn on the NSA software that is illegal to use against U.S. citizens unless there are special orders given from the president to the NSA at Fort Meade.
jordan holmes
I don't like that.
alex jones
Here is the debate going on within the Border Patrol and within Fort Meade.
This information is directly from the NSA.
dan friesen
So, it's definitely not illegal for the NSA to use facial recognition software.
There are a number of states and smaller jurisdictions that have passed laws against its use, but there's no law that limits the federal agencies in this regard.
This is definitely a civil liberties and privacy concern here, but it's not relevant to what Alex is saying.
Like, you want to have that argument?
You can.
It's on a different track.
If you catch the gist of his point, it's that the feds have released this secret memo that's putting the agents on alert about a potential white supremacist attack, which Alex thinks is phony.
Not that the memo itself is phony, but the warning is.
The memo is being released partially to announce a possible false flag, and then also to give a pretext for the NSA to unleash their facial recognition cameras, which would normally be illegal.
This is a fun, scary story, I guess, but if you look into any of the individual details, it doesn't make any sense.
The NSA doesn't need a secret FBI memo to use facial recognition, so the entire motive that Alex is laying out just collapses.
What's going on here is that Alex has been scooped by tons of other enterprising folks who've gone to the border and been way ahead of him on all the stories, particularly regarding the one that's unfolding right now.
In order to assert his dominance over the conspiracy, And because he has none, he kinda has to force it.
That's the vibe that I get out of this.
Someone's doing a little too sweaty of a job trying to make these pieces fit into a conspiracy that kind of sounds a little bit like a child.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
The president has to give direct...
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah, there's definitely that.
dan friesen
It's a little much.
jordan holmes
I do, I do.
There's a part of me that kind of wishes, and I know this isn't how the world works.
This is how the world works in cartoons.
But there is a part of me that kind of wishes, sometimes you said something.
And then there was an almost immediate smash cut to, like, somebody whispering in some dude's ear and then him being like, oh, yeah, you're right.
We don't need to make up the whole excuse.
We could just do the facial recognition software.
All right.
Okay, cool.
And then moves on, you know?
Like, you destroying the motivation should be the thing that kept it from happening.
But what if instead...
They didn't even realize that they didn't need the motivation.
dan friesen
That's more fun.
jordan holmes
They do.
dan friesen
Definitely.
It is a funny scene.
jordan holmes
I like it.
I like it.
It's a fun scene.
dan friesen
There's a number of it.
There's at least a couple instances on this episode of things that just have no motive whatsoever but are being given a motive.
jordan holmes
That'd be fun.
dan friesen
Guys, you're writing a story.
jordan holmes
There's a little bit of...
A lot of it walk...
unidentified
Every now and again, I think.
jordan holmes
Is everybody doing this just because in Alex's head everybody was bored for a while?
And they're like, well, we need something to do today.
Tomorrow we'll get back to blah, blah, blah.
dan friesen
That's a lot of it.
So Alex clarifies here.
This is still from the pre-record.
alex jones
There is a major fight going on.
This is the biggest news.
Inside the National Security Agency at Fort Meade in Maryland on the fact that Biden is taking what happened on January 6th and expanding federal offices of the Capitol Police around the country.
And now setting the precedent to turn on the facial recognition software all over the country and track citizens in lifetime.
Now, let's be clear.
The cameras are on scanning everybody's faces and storing them.
But they're not accessing the faces of American citizens and are not putting that into the database.
jordan holmes
That seems like a dumb loophole.
That only an idiot would pick up?
alex jones
But now, EDC they're doing on a routine basis and they have given the order.
At the NSA for this to happen in not just Eagle Pass but across the South Texas border in response to the, quote, imminent terror attack by white supremacists against the Border Patrol and against Quote, the migrants.
And it is the Border Patrol, and it is the federal law enforcement, and it is the individuals in Fort Meade who interface with the Border Patrol themselves that believe that they are planting some type of false flag down there to, again, expand the January 6th narrative across the country ahead of the election.
Because Biden has openly said that anybody that opposes his agenda is, quote, a right-wing extremist.
And then he's put out that national security memorandum in June of 2021, basically declaring...
The MAGA movement and basically all conservatives as terrorists.
dan friesen
What do you mean by basically?
jordan holmes
Basically.
Basically.
dan friesen
So you seemed a little confused there.
jordan holmes
So even within the government, they're like, we're thinking of doing a false flag?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
So this is why this is convoluted.
So you have...
The fake terror alert thing that's going out.
jordan holmes
Right.
That I got.
dan friesen
Right.
So that's being used as an excuse to activate these super cameras the NSA has.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
Right?
But at the same time, they also maybe want to do a false flag.
jordan holmes
See, that's the part that confuses me.
dan friesen
Because then they can catch a right-wing patsy with the NSA surveillance stuff.
And then, bada-bing, you got another January 6th.
jordan holmes
Over-complicating things.
dan friesen
No shit.
jordan holmes
Wildly.
Wildly over-complicating things.
dan friesen
Like I'm saying, it's sweaty.
jordan holmes
Just go find a guy.
Just go find a guy.
Call somebody.
I bet you could open a phone book right now, call somebody in Texas and be like, hey, how much do you hate the border?
And they'd be like, I'd commit a crime right now.
You'd be done.
dan friesen
You'd be done.
You'd probably incite someone.
Yeah.
But it's exciting to hear about these internal fights that are going on in these shadowy organizations.
I always like that.
There's like a whole big battle that's going on.
It's almost like QAnon.
jordan holmes
You could fucking, I swear to God, I bet you could open a phone book, call a random person in Texas, and get them to threaten the United States government within 25 minutes.
dan friesen
How many calls a minute?
jordan holmes
Well...
Depends on how long it takes.
Probably about five.
dan friesen
So Alex says that these cameras are on all the time and scanning people, but they are, quote, accessing the faces of citizens and, quote, putting them into the database.
jordan holmes
It's really good software.
unidentified
What does that mean?
jordan holmes
It's really good software.
It can do both of those things without also doing those things.
dan friesen
It seems like Alex is just making up distinctions, so he has a story to tell.
In the real world, the Government Accountability Office did a study in 2021 that looked at what government entities used facial recognition technology and for what.
It found that five different agencies, the Department of Commerce, Defense, Energy, Justice, and Health and Human Services, all used the technology for physical security measures.
That's to say that they used it to monitor and surveil specific locations, generally by scanning faces and running them through a database of people on watch lists.
This isn't something that the president has to individually sign off on, but Alex's story kind of sounds more exciting if it does, so this is why we're going down this path.
jordan holmes
It feels like he just saw Enemy of the State, and he's like, Gene Hackman, why did you ever quit acting, my friend?
dan friesen
Well, he's dead, right?
So that was part of it.
jordan holmes
That is part of it.
dan friesen
But he did stop before, though.
jordan holmes
He stopped before he died, though.
dan friesen
Wasn't his last movie Welcome to Mooseport?
jordan holmes
Was it?
dan friesen
I think so.
Was that a Ray Romano movie?
jordan holmes
Yeah, I think that is some trivia thing.
Why do we remember that?
You know why?
Because it's a trivia question.
You might have to answer it.
dan friesen
Also, Alex, he's saying that they already do this in D.C. on a routine basis.
So why does Biden need any FBI memo to set some kind of a precedent to use the cameras in whatever way Alex is poorly describing?
Because it's not D.C. The precedent's already set.
jordan holmes
No, the Constitution says that you can do this without a presidential order.
in D.C. Right.
Because George Washington was like, hey, listen, I don't want facial recognition software getting into all the states.
This is an experimental democracy.
dan friesen
To quote Thomas Jefferson in D.C., anything goes.
unidentified
Anything goes.
dan friesen
Let it fly.
So I realized something as this prerecorded video went on.
alex jones
So this is tomorrow's news today.
Again, if you're watching this on X right now, by the time you're watching it, we'll be live, and you can go to Infowars.com forward slash show or right on the front page of Real Alex Jones on X, and we're going to have Tim Enloe and others on the broadcast giving you real-time information.
dan friesen
So just to break this down a little bit, Alex recorded a video to post on Twitter where he laid out his conspiracy.
But the reality is that this is just an ad for his actual show.
Yeah.
unidentified
The goal was to spread this video around to entice people to tune in.
dan friesen
That's fine.
Sure.
That seems lazy.
And there's an added layer that makes this surreal in that this video is as concise as you're going to get from Alex.
He was rambling about nonsense, but he got to the point and expressed his conspiracy in a matter of minutes.
If you saw that, you have all the info that you're going to get from this show.
There's no reason to tune in unless you want to hear a man struggle to fill time and say hateful shit.
Which is maybe what his allure is.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, it's hard not to look at that as something of a...
Long-form, maybe this is a 30-year version of the aristocrats.
You know what I mean?
Like, the joke is really only two sentences, but it's the improvisation in the way you tell it.
dan friesen
I mean, he is as foul as a lot of the people who told that joke.
jordan holmes
It does seem to be that way.
dan friesen
Disgusting shit.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
So, Alex, I guess maybe because he was listening to that...
Report that he did.
Got J6 on the mind.
So he starts talking about what was supposed to happen that day.
alex jones
And now Biden's doing it again to set the precedent for the whole United States, just like they used it on January 6th to prosecute all these innocent people, but say we can't release all the footage or all the names because there's so many hundreds of feds in the January 6th crowd.
So they want to use the microcosm of their...
Dud, false flag.
It was supposed to be way worse.
Pelosi was supposed to get kidnapped, all this stuff.
But they couldn't provocateur anybody.
jordan holmes
Just kidnapped?
alex jones
So they went ahead and still indicted a bunch of people and put them in prison for decades.
And people that walked in the velvet ropes for six months to five years.
And so they want to take this model of January 6th and expand it to everybody.
And the feds, the rank-and-file FBI, NSA, all of them are saying, Border Patrol are saying, we see what you're doing.
And we've talked to a lot of our sources on the border.
This is coming up.
The police know how to spot a leftist.
They're running their license plates.
They're finding how it works for the NGOs.
They've already caught at least a dozen people that are known members of NGOs.
The police just run their plate and they look suspicious.
And, oh.
This guy is on LinkedIn.
This guy worked for the UN.
jordan holmes
He's on LinkedIn!
alex jones
This guy works for Obama.
And they're all dressed up in Trump outfits with a gun down there.
And the cops just swarm them and start following them.
They're not stupid.
See, once you're aware of a false flag, it loses its power.
dan friesen
Oh.
Okay.
So Alex is making up that shit about how they can't release more info because of the massive number of feds at January 6th.
Sure.
But the part that I'm more interested in is the claim that the plan was supposed to be way worse, but they couldn't, quote, provocateur anyone to kidnap Nancy Pelosi.
jordan holmes
That's what I'm interested in.
dan friesen
That's ridiculous.
There were at least 100 people in that crowd who would have killed her with her bare hands if they were given the opportunity.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
You have to understand how Alex's words and mind work, so you can translate this as if it were hieroglyphics.
jordan holmes
Hieroglyphs.
dan friesen
Not hieroglyphs.
That's the rap group.
It's Del the fucking Homo Sapien.
unidentified
You gotta translate it.
dan friesen
So when he says that January 6th was supposed to be way worse and that the plan was to kidnap Pelosi, what he's saying is that he knows that his friends would have gone that far if they could have.
The things that folks like the Oath Keepers and Proud Boys would have done isn't a mystery to Alex.
He just needs to attribute those intentions and plans to false flag conspiracies so he doesn't have to feel bad about it or call into question the people he promotes and the behavior he endorses.
Also, there's a cute story about the leftist NGO people that the police alleged to have caught.
I'm certain this didn't happen, but I would be remiss if I didn't point out that these police are using tactics that I'm sure Alex would describe as tyrannical if they were being done the other direction.
jordan holmes
You would think.
dan friesen
Let's imagine the police running people's license plates to find their LinkedIn accounts at an anti-mask rally during COVID.
You think Alex wouldn't scream bloody murder about the police state?
jordan holmes
No, that's fine.
dan friesen
Sure.
The reason I bring this up is because I think it's important to...
Yeah.
jordan holmes
There is so much of that cop-out-of-control energy that Alex has towards...
Towards this kind of shit where it's like, I understand if you're watching a movie, it's fun because he's working outside of the law.
That's great.
But those are protections for you.
The person who's not doing anything bad.
dan friesen
The person working on the gray area.
That person's going to hit you with a stick.
jordan holmes
You don't want to mess with them.
dan friesen
So look, if you're down in Texas, you can spot a leftist.
jordan holmes
I mean, I don't think so.
dan friesen
You could see somebody, you're like, that's a fucking joke.
That's a Trump supporter.
jordan holmes
It's not sandals.
dan friesen
It could be sandals.
jordan holmes
It could be sandals?
dan friesen
It could be that easy.
jordan holmes
Who knows?
All right.
alex jones
So over a dozen who reported this four days ago have been identified by law enforcement who are NGO leftists posing as militias down there.
So this isn't our Waterloo.
This isn't us getting our ass kicked.
Now this is our terrain.
This isn't the capital where they can rig everything and control it, and we walk into a trap.
Now we're smarter.
And now we're identifying who they are.
We're now running their license plates.
We're now going, oh, that's an NGO.
That's an NGO.
You've got a bunch of weird chicken-neck, pedophile-looking, meth-head people in a restaurant.
The cops aren't dumb.
They go, boy, that doesn't look like...
Trump supporters, I mean, you know, a group of Trump supporters looks like nice, friendly people.
The men look like, you know, veterans, badasses.
I mean, you just know what a Trump supporter looks like.
jordan holmes
How old are you?
dan friesen
Emotionally?
jordan holmes
Yeah, right?
alex jones
Cops, so much people pull up in Priuses and electric cars.
They get out in Trump gear with their machine guns and are spouting racist crap at a Mexican food restaurant.
And the cops are like, we got your ass.
Let's run that play.
Huh.
So, we got NGOs down here.
Good luck, dickheads.
Because see, now we know your operation, and now your operation's blown.
jordan holmes
Not a family show today.
alex jones
So instead of being afraid to go down there, everybody should go down there and just point cameras everywhere.
Because this isn't one little capital a few square miles they can control.
jordan holmes
I agree.
alex jones
Or maybe a square mile.
This is...
Sarah Palin and Ted Nugent and everybody in Dripping Springs last night and all these other people, thousands of trucks going down there.
To just peacefully sit around and barbecue and talk about America and freedom and point cameras everywhere.
dan friesen
Thousands of trucks?
I don't know about that.
jordan holmes
Wait, Sarah Palin and Ted Nugent?
dan friesen
And he said and everybody, but the reality is that's it.
jordan holmes
I was going to say, if your list is Sarah Palin and Ted Nugent and everybody, that everybody is just like the rest of the people who showed up.
dan friesen
The audience.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there are no more people.
There are no more names a-coming.
dan friesen
If you're bragging about Sarah Palin, Sarah Palin and Ted Nugent, you have no headliners.
jordan holmes
In 2024.
unidentified
Ooh, we got Sarah Palin and Ted Nugent.
jordan holmes
Cutouts or something to throw away?
Effigies to burn?
What else would we be describing?
dan friesen
Who else?
They could get Jon Voight.
jordan holmes
Is he still alive?
dan friesen
I think so.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
So you got, like, a sense here that this is trying to undo some of the damage that their narratives about January 6th have caused.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Because there's so much of a, like, it was a trap.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
It was a trap.
The feds got us.
jordan holmes
Everybody's a fed.
dan friesen
There's such a disempowerment from active organizing.
jordan holmes
Why would I go?
dan friesen
Going to a protest, anything like that.
And I think that Alex is recognizing that, that people don't want to go.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Why would I go?
I'm just going to get fucking jammed up.
Sent to prison.
He has effectively stigmatized the act of protest.
Not just him.
Many people in the whole community.
Because they needed to deflect January 6th shit, they have made it harder to ever gather.
jordan holmes
I mean, it is in a certain way.
There's a lot of a dog putting its tail between its legs.
You know, like, okay, well, instead of taking responsibility for our actions at J6 and being like, yes, we want to overthrow this dumbfuck country, we're going to go, no, you did it!
To yourselves!
Ha ha ha!
dan friesen
And the people who got arrested are just good people who got caught up in it.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
So now all good people don't go to protests.
dan friesen
You've made it axiomatic.
The only people who show up are up to no good.
So, maybe not a great long-term strategy that they had, but I guess it was fun for a while.
jordan holmes
Almost like they don't think ahead.
dan friesen
Yeah.
But also, I like the you pick people out of a crowd.
jordan holmes
I do appreciate.
unidentified
So dumb.
jordan holmes
I do appreciate using 90 stereotype tropes somehow.
unidentified
You know a Trump supporter because he looks like a man.
dan friesen
It's beefy.
jordan holmes
Is this a plot point on Saved by the Bell?
dan friesen
Might as well be.
So Alex, thinking more about J6, decides to ruminate and spill some tea about what he was drinking on January 6th.
jordan holmes
Let's hear it.
dan friesen
It's not tea.
unidentified
Uh-oh.
alex jones
I remember on the morning of January 6th, I'm going to be completely honest with you, because the honesty is all that matters.
I get up about 6.45, reading news.
It was a big day.
I don't normally drink in the morning.
And I looked at my wife, and I said, baby, let's get a big breakfast and a couple shots of Jack Daniels.
Try breakfast by 7.30, hung up with my wife a little bit, went out there.
jordan holmes
Do not tell this story.
Just don't tell it.
alex jones
And we had no idea what we were walking into.
We had so many Trump events.
So many things were totally peaceful.
We didn't know the feds were going to stand out and set us up.
We just thought, oh, we've got a million people here.
We're in charge.
We had that normalcy box.
dan friesen
This dumbass drinks in the morning so much that he thinks that a way to express it is a couple shots of whiskey.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
No, I mean, like, if you want to have a Bloody Mary with breakfast or a mimosa.
jordan holmes
Let's have a mimosa with brunch.
Let's go crazy.
I don't usually drink in the morning.
dan friesen
I would have an omelet.
jordan holmes
I would have a mimosa.
dan friesen
I would have an omelet and a couple shots of whiskey.
jordan holmes
No, sir, you usually drink in the morning.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You just said, I'll have a couple of shots.
Before 8am!
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you drink in the morning, sir.
alex jones
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Sir?
dan friesen
Quite a bit.
jordan holmes
You drink in the morning.
dan friesen
Quite a bit.
alex jones
Jesus.
dan friesen
We also have some pretty strong evidence of him drinking in the morning.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
From other places.
But yeah, I appreciate him just coming out with it.
jordan holmes
Unreal.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Man.
dan friesen
I was drunk on January 6th.
jordan holmes
That is just...
How is it that when people say words...
I listen to them and I go, well, clearly that's not okay.
And then the rest of the world just doesn't hear them or just goes, well, what are you going to do?
dan friesen
Well, I mean, he was drunk when he defamed the Sandy Hook family.
unidentified
I know!
jordan holmes
That should require action!
dan friesen
Right.
You know, there is that sort of Alcoholics Anonymous type thing.
It's like, not every time I drank I got in trouble, but every time I was in trouble I'd been drinking.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I think Alex might want to reflect on that just a little bit.
alex jones
Have a thought.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Have a thought.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
So he talks a little bit more about that morning of January 6th.
I think all of this is not true, except for the fact that he was drunk.
alex jones
I remember about 7.30 in the morning, and my security comes to the door, and they go, it's a bunch of former Delta Force guys, all these people, and they go, Jones, one of the guys, the guy that captured Saddam, found the spider hole, he goes, listen.
They got Antifa down there at the Capitol.
This is a setup.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Can I get a shout out, Jack?
alex jones
We only had like 10, 15 secure people.
I said, well, what do we do?
And I said, well, go find out what's going on.
So I'm sitting there and there was so much cell phones being used and so much going on while I'm listening to Trump's and all the other speeches that I could barely get a text like every 10 minutes.
So my phone wasn't working because everybody was using all the data.
But once I got out of there and all the text came through, my crew's like, Hey, we're down here at the Capitol.
Looks like I set up you to get down here.
Looks like they're going to do something.
Get down here and stop it.
So as soon as I get out on Pennsylvania Avenue and run that way, it was already too late.
We're not behind the eight ball now.
We're watching everything they do.
dan friesen
This timeline is screwy, and we watched January 6th happen on Infowars.
This just doesn't make any sense.
This wasn't even the version of the story that he told in the big January 6th debate.
So there's a part of me that suspects this all is a piece of his mythology that's been developed since then.
Also, did Alex decide at some point that the capture of Saddam wasn't a false flag?
We've been listening back to the 2004 era, and he's been pretty consistent that he's proven that it was all a show, which would have meant that his security guard that he's bragging about here was in on it.
Right.
unidentified
I mean, Alex would have to think that this guy was in on it if any of the stuff that he was saying was true.
alex jones
2007.
unidentified
So, just so you have an example of propaganda, there it is.
alex jones
The Saddam thing's staged, she's staged, it's all staged, okay?
It's despicable.
This is the type of fiascos they come up with.
They don't care if they get caught, they just keep moving forward with new lies for old.
unidentified
So we know that that Saddam captured So I guess this person who faked the Saddam capture is now someone who Alex trusts.
dan friesen
Honestly, I would be very surprised if Alex even understands or remembers the conspiracies that he pretended to have proven back in the day.
And there's no way around it.
Alex was claiming to have proven it.
That if true, would mean that the people, the actual people, who found Saddam were complicit in a giant psyop against the American public.
alex jones
We know, and it came out in British papers, we reported on this of course months before it broke, because we could see it with the colonel on video, the Marine Corps colonel saying, you found Saddam in that spider hole.
Do you understand?
That's where he was.
Repeat, where did you find him?
We found him in there.
That's all you say.
Now repeat, where did you find him?
In that hole.
Very suspicious.
unidentified
They screwed up and let that get out.
alex jones
The guy had already been beat to a pulp, whoever this hairy creature was.
And then it came out that the Kurds had captured whoever that individual was three and a half weeks before and had handed him over to coalition a week before and that they had gone and staged that whole event.
Now, that's admitted now.
dan friesen
I guess it's not admitted anymore.
I guess you're wrong or something.
While we're on the subject, did Alex ever admit that Saddam's kids were actually killed?
Like, we've been going back through 2004, and he seems to just have decided to stop talking about that conspiracy.
Same with the whole, uh, we're putting the bathists back in power thing.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that one seemed to have been left.
dan friesen
Seems like these are just like, ooh.
jordan holmes
I, okay.
Now, how old is Zinlow?
dan friesen
Mmm, probably as old as Alex.
jordan holmes
Let me throw this out at you.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Here's my new conspiracy.
Alright.
Everybody who did one of the good ones...
One of the big ones.
Then has to work for Alex.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
In-Lo, he was in on 9-11.
He was the first.
And then they were like, listen, now you have to go work for Alex.
That's where we hide the people.
Who killed Osama?
I don't know, but they work for Alex now.
dan friesen
Did Steve Janik do it?
jordan holmes
Yeah, probably works for Alex.
You know what I'm saying?
And you know what?
It used to be a joke on them, and they used to laugh about it, but Alex didn't catch on once, and now it makes everybody sad.
It just makes them all sad.
They're like, fuck.
He's not going to catch anybody!
dan friesen
What did Rob Doe do?
jordan holmes
Oh, God, you don't want to know.
dan friesen
Oh, shit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
The whole Gulf of Tonkin.
unidentified
Whoa!
jordan holmes
It's all Doe.
dan friesen
Bruh.
jordan holmes
It's all due.
dan friesen
That's amazing.
jordan holmes
It all goes back to him.
dan friesen
Well...
unidentified
I don't know why the gulf of talking popped into my head for that, but...
dan friesen
You have an interesting theory.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
And I do like the idea of a retirement home for false flag people.
jordan holmes
For false flag people.
dan friesen
As a prank on Alex, they all end up working there.
jordan holmes
And he never catches them.
dan friesen
I'm not entirely sure from that clip.
That Alex was saying that this guy worked for him, the guy who captured Saddam.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
But the implication is definitely there.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
And so the idea that he would have an ex-Blackwater guy and a guy who...
jordan holmes
I mean, just keep going.
Yeah, I mean, I'd love it.
It'd be great.
dan friesen
So anyway, back to the present day false flag stuff.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
So it's a beautiful moment to be alive, ladies and gentlemen, but it's also a real opportunity and also a great danger because they...
Here's the big takeaway.
jordan holmes
What's the big takeaway?
alex jones
Biden has put out a terror alert that we've seen two days ago saying imminent terror attack on the Border Patrol and on the illegal aliens at those migrant centers.
So they secretly shipped them all out the last few days or day and a half on buses somewhere else.
But the Border Patrol, everybody else is like, this is crap.
No one's even here yet.
They all know.
Maybe they got some meth-head white supremacist who actually believes it.
Patriot Front, who knows.
But it's not real, folks.
We know that intuitively.
dan friesen
Oh, intuitively you do.
unidentified
What?
dan friesen
Great.
This is a show about intuition.
jordan holmes
I don't want to even begin to know what he knows intuitively.
dan friesen
So much wrong stuff.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So here we see one of the side benefits of this narrative that's being run with Alex's coverage.
Not only does this memo create the preemptive damage control needed if someone in his community resorts to violence, but it also helps explain why, if you look at the videos or go to Eagle Pass, you may not be seeing the kinds of masses of migrants that Alex spends all day yelling about.
You would normally see thousands, nay millions, of people coming over the...
This is dumb, but it makes perfect sense if you're just trying to find ways to preserve your existing conspiracy reality in the face of actual reality.
The business model is largely based on constructing your own sandbox reality to mold in whatever way makes you the most money, so when things intersect with the real world, it can get a little bit touchy.
Alex is nothing if not a savvy liar.
He knows when he needs to build some of this stuff in.
Like, why isn't it a war zone like you say it is?
Oh, because the feds bust everybody out.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
It's like being on a game show and watching, like, there's the mystery box prize, and then the host just keeps describing what's inside the mystery box.
You know, like, oh, man, it's amazing.
It's the best thing that's ever been inside.
And you're like, okay, then I'm going to go for the mystery box.
It's like, oh, I can't get it.
You're never going to get that mystery box.
dan friesen
Well, you open it up, and it's like, what's in there is actually...
Over there.
jordan holmes
Sorry.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He's trying to escape a timeshare sale.
dan friesen
Yeah.
It's impossible.
So Alex has Tim Enloe come in on the phone.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And he wants backup on these stories of all these high-level meetings that he's had with him.
jordan holmes
Tim, did you do 9-11?
alex jones
I'm not trying to lionize the feds, but we're in meetings with high-level feds.
We're not just saying that here on air.
So this is crazy.
The top is doing all this crime with Mayorkas, but whether it's high-level federal judges or FBI agents or...
Or federal marshals.
Or Border Patrol.
They are all super upset and don't know what to do.
We don't know what to do.
I mean, can you speak to those, without getting into details, the meetings we've had, so people know the level of concern we're dealing with?
Let's do this.
Let's do this.
Let's reconnect with Tim.
Reconnect.
Because his feet is cutting out.
And again, they only got so many cell towers down there.
And now the caravan's getting there.
The convoy's getting there.
There's people everywhere.
And so I wanted them to be on the border for this.
I almost said do it at the hotel, but I wanted them to be at the border.
And so people could see this.
So that's my decision to do that.
My earlier decision was just stay at the hotel.
We got better internet.
But people need to know we're at the damn Texas border.
And this is all going down.
This is all happening, folks.
unidentified
And this is just totally insane.
alex jones
And, I mean, I'm in meetings with somebody like...
I don't want to say who, because it gives it away.
It's already known.
jordan holmes
Stretch a little bit longer.
alex jones
The head judges.
jordan holmes
You're going to need to ban.
alex jones
The head FBI people.
They're like, what do we do?
I don't, I mean, I'm like them, like, what do we do?
dan friesen
So Tim couldn't affirm that for Alex, so he just affirmed it himself.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So it's fun how this is a direct consequence of Alex's choices.
He desperately wanted his head of security to do an interview out at the border because the optics there are critical.
Alex has yelled constantly about his incorrect belief that reporters in the Gulf War were actually in front of green screens, so they're There's really no way around how much he needs his people to actually be where they're reporting from.
jordan holmes
You kind of have to back yourself into a corner.
dan friesen
In fact, I would argue that physically being there is a bulk of the work.
It's almost the majority of the work in the reporting that they're doing.
We are physically here.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Because Alex is chasing this dynamic, he ends up not being able to do the show that he's supposed to be doing.
He can interview Tim Enloe for a few minutes, but nothing comes of it to expand the conspiracy that Alex has already laid out, other than Tim, he named his source, apparently there's a code name of a person named Elias, and he makes clear that the FBI warning, this alert, it was far more specific than Alex made it sound.
Alex made it appear that it was just like a blanket alert, but it was actually a case where they had uncovered specific people planning a specific attack at a specific migrant processing center, and they had a couple day...
Uh-oh, whole border, terror alert.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's highly specific.
jordan holmes
Also, it kind of takes away from that whole, like, Biden just put out this terror memo thing.
Unless that means that Biden is now specifically monitoring individual groups in Texas at all times.
dan friesen
Which would be interesting.
Or maybe the people who are planning that attack are Biden.
jordan holmes
Biden?
dan friesen
And who hangs out with Biden?
I don't know.
Jack.
jordan holmes
Just Jack?
dan friesen
He's always calling everyone Jack because his terrorist buddy is Jack.
jordan holmes
His terrorist buddy is Jack?
dan friesen
Yeah.
I've got nothing.
jordan holmes
Sorry, I got lost in my orcas because I stopped my brain broken in half and he's like, wait, people are committing crimes with my orcas?
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
No, it was not good.
dan friesen
So Alex needs help.
He needs help pushing this story.
And so he calls out to the winds.
jordan holmes
The winds.
alex jones
Everybody in media follows somebody else's story.
We are breaking that they are saying that white supremacists are going to attack the Border Patrol and the illegal aliens down there that they call migrants.
With no evidence as a pretext to have the NSA turn on its systems against the American people.
This is a big deal.
And I don't even care about the credit.
But we need the Glenn Greenwalds, the Tucker Carlson's to force this out.
Just like we told you in August we were planning new rollouts of COVID, which they then did, but we stopped most of it because people listened to me.
So we're right back here, folks, with real people, with real connections on the border.
dan friesen
Alex thought that they were going to force everyone to wear masks again, and then he yelled about it because they weren't actually planning that.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
It didn't happen, and he claimed victory.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
That's basically what that is.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
I know that part.
I find unacceptable the idea that we stopped most of it.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
What does that even mean?
dan friesen
It doesn't mean anything.
None of this means anything.
jordan holmes
They were going to roll it out, but then we stopped most of it because we talked about it.
That doesn't make any sense.
dan friesen
No, but it's the only way for these people who are in Alex's audience to feel like there's actual meaning to what Alex is doing.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that is...
Because otherwise...
Because once you...
Man.
dan friesen
So Alex wants someone like Tucker or Greenwald to push his narrative because there's a larger portion of the population that would see them say something and not immediately assume it's bullshit.
Whereas Alex has kind of worn out his welcome for a lot of folks who aren't already deep into his information space.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Tucker and Greenwald hold some cachet that Alex doesn't.
But look at the news story that Alex is reporting.
I just want to say off the bat that nothing in his narrative has been proven or even demonstrated in any way.
The only thing close to evidence is an interview with Alex's head of security who claims to have seen a document which got derailed by tech issues.
The interview got fumbled.
Leaving aside how unfounded anything is, here is the narrative that's being put forth.
Biden put out a fake terror alert claiming without evidence that someone is going to attack migrants as a pretext to unleash NSA cameras on the American public at the border.
Right.
unidentified
The only thing that's behind this is a document that we haven't seen, but based on Tim Enloe's discussion of it...
dan friesen
It does contain evidence.
Alex is saying without evidence.
jordan holmes
That's interesting.
dan friesen
They were concerned about specific people doing a specific thing at a specific place.
Based on how Tim described the alert, there was evidence.
There's only been alleged secret anonymous conversations with NSA people about these cameras, but you can easily find evidence that facial recognition technology is used by the Department of Defense as well as other entities as law enforcement and security purposes.
There's no need for a terror alert, real or fake, to use this technology.
The motive behind Alex's conspiracy falls flat, as well as some of the basic details.
details because this thing is a very hastily thrown together pageant and it's meant to serve a few important goals.
The first is have preemptive damage control in place in case that someone does commit an act of violence so Alex can ignore it and make himself the actual victim of the story.
Right.
unidentified
There's also the preemptive damage control of how people may go to the border and not see swaths of immigrants coming across.
dan friesen
which runs counter to Infowars and general right-wing narratives about an invasion.
Sure.
unidentified
This storyline explains that away by saying that they were bust out.
dan friesen
The second thing this achieves is that it allows Alex to feel like he's leading the news cycle He used to be the guy who set the agenda in the conspiracy world which is part of why his actions around Sandy Hook were so damaging He had a bit of a gatekeeper role back then, where the things that he covered became the things that you were supposed to look into if you were a truth seeker.
But that's not the case anymore.
He's a bit washed up and painfully obsessed with his own victimhood, so he's not playing that leader role anymore.
Most of the actual content of his show is him making things up after skimming a headline or seeing a meme, so he's really just a consummate follower.
Alex doesn't want to see himself that way.
He wants to think that he's the tip of the spear, so a narrative like this allows him to pretend to be leading the pack.
The third thing this narrative does is that it attempts to appeal to people outside of his xenophobic bubble.
His coverage of the border is mostly about his hatred of migrants and his desire to have America be a white country, but if he stretches a little, he can try and trick civil liberties-type people into siding with him.
He wants to make this conspiracy like it leads to NSA surveillance because he wants folks like Glenn Greenwald to jump on board and spread that shit to a wider audience.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's part of your brand, right?
You can make hay with that.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
This isn't a carefully constructed narrative or anything, but if you take a moment to consider the function of its constituency, You can see the ends that it serves.
You can see the way that this is almost like the methodology.
This is how his brain puts things together into the stories that you tell.
jordan holmes
He's fishing.
dan friesen
Well, at least that last part is fishing for a Greenwald fish.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
I mean, it is like there's these little bits and if I get a bite, Greenwald will retweet it and then blah, blah, blah.
dan friesen
And that'll bring more people to my attention and money, money, money, money, money.
Yep, yep, yep, yep.
You might not see this because of the busing.
jordan holmes
How many...
I would see the buses, though.
You can't have that much without a footprint.
That's like saying that, oh, well, Godzilla didn't...
Okay, you can't see his footprint because he's too big.
What are you talking about?
dan friesen
I do think that it's possible that some...
If this FBI alert is real...
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Stipulating that, then I could see that this specific center...
There might have been people who were taken out of it.
Sure.
unidentified
Like there could have been some people who are at that center for processing or whatever, maybe being housed there even temporarily.
dan friesen
Sure.
unidentified
And I could see a bus or something moving those people to a safer location.
dan friesen
Yes.
unidentified
Given the FBI alert.
dan friesen
If that is true, then I could see that.
But in terms of the scale and shit that they're talking about.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
That's absurd.
dan friesen
So they're hopefully shipping and smuggling drugs out there on the border.
You know that?
jordan holmes
Fine!
Why are we still mad at drugs?
Why are we still mad at drugs?
I thought we've moved on from drugs.
dan friesen
Well, some people have.
But not Alex.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Because he's a libertarian.
jordan holmes
Fine.
alex jones
You go down there and you'll see him smuggling drugs right across in front of you.
You'll see all sorts of just insane stuff all around you.
It's like shooting fish in a barrel.
It is ridiculous.
But what did Thomas Jefferson, he got asked famously, walking out of the legislature during the war, a woman asked him, what is the limit that tyrants will go to?
And he said the limit good men and women allow.
dan friesen
Also in D.C., anything goes.
So that's not a Jefferson quote.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
We've been over this a bunch of times, but that was actually Frederick Douglass, who said, quote, the limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress.
unidentified
Hmm.
dan friesen
The folks in Alex's world, like the John Birch Society and the extreme right wing he grew up around, love those words, but they aren't going to run around quoting a black abolitionist.
So they just decided to reattribute them to Thomas Jefferson.
jordan holmes
Let's see.
Who would associate best with those words?
A rich white dude who owned people who thought tyranny was being forced to pay?
A little bit of extra when he bought tea?
unidentified
Or a guy who was owned by people?
dan friesen
We may never know.
jordan holmes
We'll never know.
dan friesen
So this is a standard practice in Alex's world, and every one of his Jefferson quotes are fake.
But...
What I love is the creative writing practice that Alex does with how he tells the story of this quote.
In this telling, apparently Jefferson was coming out of the legislature and some lady asked him about tyranny.
What's funny here is that here's how he reported the story on January 25th.
Here's another telling of it.
alex jones
A woman famously in a newspaper article, I forget where, but you can look it up, asked Thomas Jefferson, she said, what is the level of tyranny that the elites would bring upon us?
And he said, the level of tyranny is what we will accept.
And she said in the full article, she said, what do you mean?
He goes, there's always more evil people ready to replace the last elite.
So there's no end to evil because it always just gets more radical until we stop it.
You've got to have good men and women that say no.
dan friesen
So there's still a lady asking him the question, but I guess now she's a reporter, and the article really fleshed out Jefferson's thoughts about the quote he didn't say.
For someone like Alex, reality doesn't matter that much.
What matters is that the sentiment of that quote is something that he can use for his narratives, and attributing the quote to Jefferson makes it acceptable to the wider audience, who are mostly Confederacy sympathizers and probably...
Frederick Douglass was too woke.
The way Alex tells the story, making up details and embellishing things out to be part of an extended interview, that should tell you that he would not give a shit if he were told that Jefferson didn't say that.
Alex would get that news and turn around and attribute it to Jefferson in the next breath, because reality isn't important.
Utility is.
This quote is not useful from Douglas, but it is from Jefferson, so it's a Jefferson quote.
This quote can become more useful if you dress it up with a bunch of imagined context, so Alex does that.
We heard in an episode long ago about how Alex believes in lore over history, but if you accept that...
There really isn't anything stopping you from making your own lore.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Which Alex kind of does a lot.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, the way that he wrote that, too, is like 1950s-esque.
This woman comes up to wear a sundress.
dan friesen
Mr. Jefferson!
jordan holmes
Mr. Jefferson!
I have such worries for the country's direction!
dan friesen
You're saying it's like 1950s type something.
jordan holmes
The writing of it.
dan friesen
And to me, that's kind of what makes me think that this is repeated from some John Birch Society era retelling of this.
Because they didn't want to cite Frederick Douglass.
So that kind of has that fingerprint a little bit.
Who's to say?
jordan holmes
There is a, and I'm going to throw this out at you, there's a lot of history, and we're not even going to just narrow it down to America.
Let's spread it out over the world.
There's a lot of history that was made by non-straight white men.
That we don't know about, that instead we think was made by straight white men.
dan friesen
I don't believe you.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's crazy.
It's crazy.
I'm telling you.
dan friesen
I've heard lore that you're wrong.
jordan holmes
I'm telling you, it's true.
dan friesen
So Tim Enloe is able to reconnect, and he gets back on, and he has an interesting conspiracy.
jordan holmes
Interesting.
tim enlow
One of the interesting things that happened, Alex, is that the day that we were there, just one day previous, on Monday, somebody, and nobody has gotten to the point of who gave this authorization.
Someone opened a dam to sit there and flood the Rio Grande and make the current as swift as possible.
alex jones
And now people have drowned.
They've saved children.
That shows the technocracy.
Who's in control of it?
tim enlow
Three bodies.
Three bodies.
And just in the time we were here, Alex.
So that morning when we were there, an unconscious, a toddler had gotten fallen out into the river, separated from her parents.
The National Guard, by the time they got to her, she was hypothermic and unconscious.
Luckily, they were able to save her and get her to a hospital.
But two more bodies that day and the next day that they weren't able to save that were already drowned.
But somebody opened that dam and right before this convoy is supposed to arrive to make it look like there's not many migrants crossing here.
dan friesen
Okay, so that dam that's up the Rio Grande from Eagle Pass is Amistad Dam, and if you consult their flow data, you will find that they did discharge more water beginning around January 23rd.
You can say that their numbers went up for water discharge, but what you can't do is just make up a reason for why that happened so you can satisfy your own conspiracy.
There's plenty of reasons why the dam might ramp up water output, ranging from increased power demands being met by hydroelectric generation of power to sell.
There's parts of Texas that are in a drought, and then there's also some rain that had happened.
You could have a higher level in the dam that needs to be offset.
unidentified
Right, if they're running more power, then they'll have pushed more water through.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
the physics of that.
Yeah.
unidentified
From my own head.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
This is a pretty good encapsulation of the conspiracist's mind here.
Something happened, and then the explanation that plays into their decided narrative, regardless of how unlikely and outlandish it may be, is chosen as correct.
Work is done.
This happened, and here is the reason.
jordan holmes
What an easy and yet empty life.
dan friesen
Yeah.
There would have to be a ton of people involved in a conspiracy to flood the Rio Grande River, and it honestly probably would take international cooperation between the United States and Mexico.
And for what?
Just so there wouldn't be as many migrants at Eagle Pass when all the shitheads show up?
This is unnecessary.
Inside Alex's conspiracy world, all of these migrants are held at UN brainwashing centers south of the border and sent to the United States.
If the stated goal is for them to have less migrants show up during the right-wing idiot parade, all it would take is sending less.
If you accept the larger conspiracy is real, you don't need this secondary.
one.
unidentified
But here's the thing.
dan friesen
The conspiracy mind is an addicted mind.
There's a compulsion to find conspiracies everywhere, to make patterns and connections that prove your theories and show how smart you are.
There's no need for this damn conspiracy, but there's stray data points that Tim has stumbled onto and in that damn discharged water.
So he can't help just coming up with a reason Can't just let it go.
It's completely unnecessary.
unidentified
Completely.
dan friesen
Drastically exaggerated the reality of the border to their audience.
And when they see the video from the convoy, or if people go there themselves, these are built-in excuses for why you aren't seeing the open-air drug market slash war zone.
All the migrants are bussed away because of fake terror alert, and also they flooded the river.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So it's tempering expectations.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
The conspiracy mind is a hat on a hat on a hat on a hat on a hat on a hat.
dan friesen
A few more.
A few more hats.
jordan holmes
On a hat.
On a hat.
dan friesen
It's weird.
It's weird that he didn't think that through.
jordan holmes
Well, in a sense, that is a very accurate sentence.
And in a very other sense, no, that's the most regular thing in this world that he didn't think that through.
dan friesen
Of course.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, Tim's not alone.
jordan holmes
Tim in-alone.
unidentified
Tim on-alone?
dan friesen
There's nothing there.
But he's not alone.
jordan holmes
We gotta go back to the stage.
unidentified
Yeah, definitely.
dan friesen
Definitely.
That kind of banter?
unidentified
It just begs for a crowd.
dan friesen
So he's not alone?
jordan holmes
Yes, yeah.
dan friesen
He's there with, guess who?
jordan holmes
Who?
dan friesen
Chase Geyser.
jordan holmes
Chase Geyser.
That's the good stuff.
dan friesen
I don't think we've heard his voice on the show yet.
jordan holmes
Not since...
Well, did we ever actually listen to him?
alex jones
No, I don't think so.
dan friesen
I think we just made fun of his name.
jordan holmes
Wow.
Well, I mean, I'm glad he's doing what he should be doing, though, which is going to a border somewhere and being Chase Geyser.
dan friesen
Chase Geyser in full effect.
unidentified
Yeah.
alex jones
This is so insane.
Chase Geyser.
unidentified
Chase Geyser.
alex jones
We've got about six minutes till break.
I want to get your take down on the border, what you make of all this huge news.
dan friesen
It's absolutely crazy, Alex, and overwhelming.
jordan holmes
You know, it's really interesting.
chase geiser
You just mentioned the sort of schism happening between authorities at Fort Meade.
It reminds me a little bit of the Epstein case.
One of the things that's so interesting about the Epstein case to me, Alex, is how there's all this cover-up that's happening on the one hand, but yet there's all this...
jordan holmes
Did I send you to the border for Epstein?
unidentified
No.
Why is it that they're even prosecuting Epstein if they're going to try to cover up all the details afterward?
jordan holmes
And it just comes...
To me, it strikes me as indicative of a schism.
chase geiser
There's black hats and white hats within these intelligence communities, whether it's the NSA, whether it's the CIA or the FBI.
I think they're constantly at war with one another on whether or not they're going to take this Machiavellian approach to leadership or they're going to try to do the right thing always by the American people.
And so to hear that there's this schism happening right now, this controversy, this conflict at Fort Meade between people within our own intelligence communities, whether or not these facial recognition technologies or dragnet, You sound like a QAnon guy, Chase.
jordan holmes
Here's what I don't like.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
I don't like the idea that he's just completely, pretty accurately described the physical process of cognitive dissonance through this pretend movie that he's written.
Because then I get into my head of a movie where we zoom back out and then, surprise, our all lives have just been a human being's way of processing cognitive dissonance.
You know what I'm saying?
It just keeps going.
It's a hat on a hat on a hat on a hat.
dan friesen
There's a lot of hats today.
jordan holmes
There's so many fucking hats today, and it's frustrating.
It's frustrating.
dan friesen
You know, you have this mentality of, like, there's the white hats and the black hats, and they're all doing war inside the government.
jordan holmes
They're all trying to figure out what's the...
dan friesen
And I'm hearing this from Chase Geyser, and I'm like, that's QAnon-y.
You know, that is basically at the core of a lot of that.
But then I think back...
And that was Alex before it was QAnon.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
You know, with the counter-counter coups and all that shit.
Like, this is just this kind of mentality coming home to roost.
Where it belongs.
jordan holmes
Yeah, because...
dan friesen
But I guess it belongs in QAnon, too.
jordan holmes
Well, it's like this...
It's the life cycle of bullshit, you know?
They're like, oh, I'm so excited.
Something's gonna happen.
Nothing happens.
Nothing happens.
All right, now I have to come up with a new explanation for why nothing happened that makes sense.
So then there's an enemy that's keeping these things from happening until eventually you just go like, well, maybe none of this is happening.
dan friesen
Hakuna Matata.
Exactly.
So, Chase Geyser is a little boring.
jordan holmes
Damn, what a great name for what a boring man.
dan friesen
I noticed this.
This next clip is a super cut.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Of Chase Geyser's boringness?
No.
jordan holmes
Oh.
dan friesen
Alex not paying attention to him.
And not knowing what question to ask.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
Because I noticed as I was listening to this, he kept asking him essentially the same question.
alex jones
All right, I've got a lot of questions, but what else is on your radar?
chase geiser
Well, today we're going to really focus on keeping an eye on this story as it develops.
alex jones
What are you guys going to be covering next?
chase geiser
Well, today we are doing everything that we can to get notifications or news or insight as to what's developing specifically with this FBI warning at the facility on Firefly Lane here.
alex jones
Absolutely.
The few minutes we have left, what else is on your radar down there at the border?
dan friesen
Well, today we're going to be...
unidentified
Scouring every location and following up with some leads.
alex jones
How would you in a 60-second summation describe the story you're covering?
chase geiser
I would say that what we have captured is a false flag operation before it happened.
dan friesen
So it's on your radar.
jordan holmes
If you could, explain to the audience what it was you're doing.
Not for me.
I totally know what you're doing there.
dan friesen
There's a couple of indications of non-engagement from Alex.
And that kind of repeating questions that have already been answered is one of them.
And then another, if you hear this, Alex is somewhere else in his brain.
If he says...
How would you describe the times we're in?
He asks that a lot, but it's usually just like, I just need some filler.
jordan holmes
You just go, everybody has their thoughts.
dan friesen
Let's talk about the waterfront.
jordan holmes
Yeah, give me a paragraph.
dan friesen
Just talk.
So Alex has another guest after Chase Geyser squirts off.
What would you call a geyser?
Shooting off?
jordan holmes
Something along those lines.
dan friesen
I'll do better next time.
jordan holmes
Erupting?
dan friesen
Yeah.
Into some other area.
Not on the show.
So he has another guest.
And this is a guy who we've seen a little bit.
A guy named Kirk Elliott.
And Alex makes a shocking confession about him.
alex jones
I wanted to get him on last week, but he was busy and couldn't come on.
But we have Kirk Elliott.
Who is a multiple PhD in public policy administration, focused on monetary economics, and the second PhD in theology.
And he's coming to town tonight.
We're doing a special live show tomorrow, noon central on the economy, on the debt, on the world.
And he's also a sponsor of the broadcast.
If you want to get bullion gold at the lowest prices delivered to you, no BS.
This is the place to go.
dan friesen
So Kirk Elliott is a character we've seen pop up a couple times on the show rambling about financial disasters and whatnot.
And I've always felt like it was paid programming.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It was too much of an infomercial.
It felt exactly like the old days when Alex would have Bob Chapman or Ted Anderson on to discuss the economy.
But what it really was was an ad for Midas Resources Gold and Silver.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And thankfully, Alex just came up.
I clarified that here.
This is all an ad.
This guy's paying Alex, and Alex is having him on the show to spread fear about financial issues, which Kirk thankfully has the solution to in the form of the precious metals that he sells.
unidentified
What?
dan friesen
Kirk runs an outfit called Sovereign Advisors, and with a name like that, you can imagine he's targeting the right-wing types.
For years now, he's been appearing on QAnon shows like Patriot Street Fighter, The Sean Morgan Report, and the like.
Whether it's because he's grown and decided to expand, or because Alex has sunk and is desperate, one way or another, these two have come together, and Alex is feeding his audience right into Kirk's hands.
This reminds me, honestly, of the coverage of the Hamas attack on October 7th.
The first part of the show was about breaking news, and then the second half was an infomercial for Alex's book.
Here, he presumably has the biggest, most important news imaginable about the border, and then, instead of covering it, he decides the best use of time is to do a half-hour infomercial for his new gold sponsor.
This kind of decision should really make it clear what Alex values.
He could be pretending to have an exclusive scoop that the president is trying to track all citizens in live time and they've uncovered a false flag.
That's about to happen.
But that isn't enough to bump the gold commercial for another day.
If anything, that sensationalist border coverage and the promoting of the show on Twitter, that's only going to get more eyes on this gold commercial, so hopefully more people will buy and Alex will get a bigger cut.
That's really what matters.
jordan holmes
I mean, yeah, I was going to say, the more important, that's why you put it on.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
You don't push it back.
You're like, we need to make sure we put this on the day with the biggest eyeballs.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
You have the eyeballs.
Balls because of your fake scoop and pay it off.
So anyway, this dude's a little bit shady.
A little manipulative.
What?
I know.
kirk elliott
So you look at, though, even with manipulation, silver in the year 2000 was like $4.58 an ounce.
Three and a half years ago, it was $11.91.
15, 16 months ago, it was $17.97.
Today, it's over $23.
So even...
alex jones
All-time high.
All-time high.
kirk elliott
Well, not on silver, but on gold, we're near an all-time high.
But here's the thing.
Even with manipulation, silver's gone from $4.58 an ounce to over 23 in the last 20 years.
Last three and a half years, it's doubled, $11.91 to over 23. Good grief.
That's with manipulation.
That's almost 100% return over the last three and a half years.
alex jones
So what happens when the manipulation ends?
Or how long can they manipulate?
kirk elliott
It's through the roof, Alex.
It's through the roof.
dan friesen
This is exactly the same talk they always had in the past.
This is so familiar.
And also, Kirk is choosing some of those dates strategically, because if you were to add context, it would hurt his ability to bilk Alex's audience.
First off, 2000 was a low for silver, in no small part because China was selling it off.
As the prices got really low, it became an attractive investment opportunity and people bought in, eventually getting the price all the way up to $28 in 2008, which, according to the Silver Institute, was led by investments in and around 2006.
They said, quote, Oh no!
BlackRock's in the silver market!
Then, in 2008, in late 2008, the price dropped dramatically, only to spike to over $35 average closing price in 2011, led partially by industrial demand increases.
The price then dropped again and has continued to slowly drop until a climb in August 2020, after which it's been dropping again.
By selectively cherry-picking dates, Kirk is able to give the impression of consistent growth and upward trends, but that isn't the case.
The history of silver prices shows that often when the price goes up considerably, that's followed by a big drop.
Erasing this context from the picture is a way to create overconfidence in your target and make them more eager to buy what you're selling.
And you can hear how disconnected Alex is and how invested he is in propping up the sales pitch, saying that silver is at an all-time high.
Even Kirk has to reel him in from that.
But it wasn't a sincere thing Alex was saying.
It was just a knee-jerk attempt.
Try and help the ad be more effective.
Yeah.
It's pretty nuts.
I mean, like, honestly, sure, you can say that in 2004, or 2000, it was at this price, and now it's up here, and it's higher.
But you can't buy it at the 2004 price.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's kind of how it works.
dan friesen
If you bought it at the 2011 price, you lost money.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You're down now.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And if you buy it now, there's no indication that, you know, it's going to go through the roof.
There's no way to say that, like, you're going to have the same return that you would if you bought in 2000.
It's nonsense.
jordan holmes
All right.
So let me throw this idea out at you.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
So it's like Batman.
All right.
But instead, it's a guy who at night puts on a costume and just does really good investing advice for all these libertarians.
You know, like consistent rate of return between 11 and 18 percent.
Every year.
Like, this is just serious, solid financial help that he's giving people, right?
But he's only giving it to the people who need it the most, which are people who would otherwise give it to this guy.
All right?
dan friesen
Oh, so you're not talking about people who- I'm pitching you a movie.
You're talking about people who would give advice to his victims as opposed to Kirk himself.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
This is his super villain, right?
Because he gives good financial advice.
dan friesen
Sure, like Irwin, whatever, IRS, the tax man, pro wrestler.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I don't know how to make it work, though, because there's really not much excitement in the overall pitch.
dan friesen
It's a bad show.
jordan holmes
It's not a good show.
dan friesen
It's an interesting idea.
jordan holmes
But Suits was popular!
dan friesen
Suits.
jordan holmes
Right?
If Suits works, then why can't an IRA man work?
dan friesen
I know that Meghan Markle was on there and is now married to a prince.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
But I don't know anything about Suits.
jordan holmes
My wife watched...
All of Suits in a short span of time, and I was available for a lot of it playing, I could not tell you anything about Suits.
dan friesen
I just assume it's like a tailor business or something like that, but I don't think it is.
jordan holmes
No, I think it's law.
I think it's law.
dan friesen
That makes sense.
jordan holmes
They all wear suits.
Because they all wear suits.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex plugs Kirk's company for him.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
You never plug your company.
We're getting great reviews.
You already have five stars online.
You've got...
jordan holmes
Whoa, how do you get that?
alex jones
Gold and silver bullion.
Ready to ship right now.
You don't even get in the games, the news, the numismatic, all that.
You're a great sponsor.
People should get gold and silver from you.
You're ready to ship it.
How do they do it?
kirk elliott
Yeah, just go to kepm.com forward slash gold, and there's a little form that they can fill out and say, hey, I want to talk to Kirk or his team and get this all squared away, right?
We want to listen to you, hear your dreams, hear your fears.
Hear what concerns you and map out a strategy for success moving forward.
dan friesen
Well, this guy sounds great.
So, Alex says that Kirk is ready to ship, and I'm not...
Totally sure about that.
I went to Kirk's website, and it really looks like they don't necessarily sell you gold and silver.
They take your money, and then you own precious metals that are stored at the Texas Precious Metals Depository.
jordan holmes
Man, how do they get away with shit like that?
dan friesen
I'll tell you in a minute.
You can buy stuff that's held there, or start a precious metals-based IRA that's backed by the metals that are stored there.
I don't see anything on the website about, I give you money, you send me metal.
There is a page about shipping, but that has to do with withdrawals.
Right.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
This is the same thing that was common with Ted Anderson and Midas Resources.
You don't get the actual gold or silver, but you own something that's somewhere else.
This is a kind of shady arrangement on its face, but it's okay because gold and silver companies are trying to market an investment, but they aren't regulated by the SEC.
In fact, there's very little enforcement of regulation on any federal level for people who operate in this space.
When Ted got in trouble, it was a state thing.
jordan holmes
How is that possible?
dan friesen
Owning some precious metals as an investment isn't inherently bad or unwise, but this is a space that's flooded with people running scams.
There's a reason that Alex's primary businesses are what they are, and that he's made most of his money off supplements and precious metals.
Those are two wildly under-regulated markets that have incredible opportunities to exploit people's fear for the same thing.
And it's tragic.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But that's why, you know, and I guess the same would be said for, like, food buckets.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
You know, these markets all share similar things.
Shady regulation, or under-regulation, and the ability to market based on fear.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You know, whether it's the financial collapse is going to come.
This gold is good for you.
Your health is being destroyed by everything and I have a secret thing that'll help you.
The food supply is gonna go away when the societal collapse comes.
I've got these buckets for you.
That's the inherent thread that runs through so much of Alex's marketing and it's based on bullshit.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
That one, this one, though, is the one that gets me for some reason.
dan friesen
Because I think I know why.
jordan holmes
Why?
dan friesen
And I hate to put words in your mouth, but I think it's because the essence of this largely is robbing people's future.
Sure.
Some people think that they're making retirement decisions.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
Well, I mean, yeah, I definitely mean that.
But I mean more for the type of person.
This seems so unusual to me because it seems like if you are the type of person who gets to where you are, The one scam that you shouldn't be caught with is the...
You give me money and I'll hold onto your stuff for you from a distance that you'll never see.
Right?
You're the most suspicious people on the fucking planet.
You think the feds are infiltrating your friends because they want to set you up and you're just going to give somebody money and then trust them when they say, yeah, and we have your valuables here too?
unidentified
What?
dan friesen
But here's the thing.
I think that a lot of these companies can manage operating in a way that's not like...
Pyramid scheme.
Totally!
Because they charge fees for storage and stuff like that.
There are just ways to skim.
jordan holmes
That's what I'm saying!
I can see a normal person trusting this scam way easier than I can see a person who would be an Alex Jones fan, right?
It makes sense.
You don't want to hang on to valuable shit.
dan friesen
You don't want a bar of gold in your house?
jordan holmes
Yeah, you're going to go put it into the bank, and the bank is going to charge you fees to carry on.
So it makes sense.
I want to invest in gold.
It's a good investment.
I know this place.
They're a good investment.
I give them money.
They say, this is mine.
I get my little certificate, and then they'll send me a picture of it if I want to.
Oh, look at this gold bar.
That kind of thing.
But if you're a conspiracy person, that has to be in the back of your mind.
It has to be like, do you know what's in there?
Nothing.
It's all the government.
Why isn't that part of your conspiracy?
You can't see it!
dan friesen
I think that's why you need the conspiracy theorists to sign off on the people who have the warehouses.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's a good point.
It does have to be in-house.
It has to be an in-house conspiracy theory only kind of thing.
dan friesen
And you have someone like Kirk who's coming on and spouting some conspiracies of his own.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he sounds crazy.
So yeah, why would the government hire him to hold my money?
dan friesen
Yeah, I think that gets around a lot of those concerns.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's fair.
I can see that.
dan friesen
But, I mean, you should have the same concern about the food bucket, people.
That's not good food.
jordan holmes
Oh, for sure.
For sure.
dan friesen
Anyway, Kirk gets asked a question.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And if you pay close attention, I don't know if you'll be able to hear this.
jordan holmes
Let's see it.
dan friesen
But if you pay close attention, you'll hear Alex just kind of leaves.
alex jones
What do you expect in the next ten months out of this election?
kirk elliott
Well, I expect chaos, mayhem, economic fallout.
dan friesen
No shit.
kirk elliott
From all of these policies.
But see, during times of economic fallout, when people can't feed their kids, when they can't afford to pay their rent or their mortgage, when food prices are going through the roof, gas prices are going through the roof, here's the nature, human nature.
People tend to give up their freedoms in time of crisis in exchange for perceived security or peace, right?
So I expect that, because look, the people in charge right now...
They can't win on their own merits.
They've destroyed the economy.
They've destroyed society in America.
But if you destroy it bad enough, you might get votes, right?
Because people will want you to try to fix it.
They're going to try to trick us into thinking that they have a solution.
The solution is going to come through central bank digital currency and things like that.
This is awful intrusion on our bank accounts.
It's intrusion on our way of life.
The ability to cut you off from buying or selling if they don't like What you're buying or selling or how you spend your money.
See, this is all going to manifest itself.
And my expectation, you know, I'm not God.
I don't control the markets.
My expectation is this does play itself out before the election this year because you have to have some kind of a crisis to get momentum to get people to try to vote for you because you come up with a proposed solution.
unidentified
Okay, so with that, what do we do?
kirk elliott
I mean, you...
dan friesen
Alex, where are you?
jordan holmes
What do we do?
What do we do, Alex?
dan friesen
Hey, you paid for the time.
Just keep talking, Dick.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, hey.
Are you paying me to co-host with you?
Ah, there are hidden fees in this little arrangement.
dan friesen
Much like your storage fees.
jordan holmes
Absolutely!
unidentified
You're not going to get this showman for free!
dan friesen
So anyway, the commercial ends, and Alex goes over some news articles, and he finds one about John Podesta.
Right?
jordan holmes
Really?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Still going, huh?
dan friesen
Yeah.
He is taking over for John Kerry.
John Kerry was a special climate envoy for the White House.
And now Podesta is taking on that role.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And so Alex starts thinking Pizzagate.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
I was going to say, yeah, why not?
Why not put him in that job for no reason?
Great.
Love it.
dan friesen
Alex freaks the fuck out.
jordan holmes
Great.
dan friesen
This is unhinged.
alex jones
John Pito Eska.
To replace Kerry, his top climate diplomat.
So Kerry's running around trying to cut our gas-powered stoves off and our cars off and starve the living hell out of us.
dan friesen
Almost that shit.
alex jones
And now they're going to put this...
Man, read the WikiLeaks, man.
We're going to have kids ready for you in upstate New York in a hot tub.
They're 7, 9, and 10. They're going to service you, sir.
I mean, that's screwing kids, folks.
That son of a bitch screws kids.
He's caught red-handed.
Julian Assange is in solitary confinement, being tortured to death, bringing us this information.
It's like in Star Wars, and she says, many prophets have died to bring us this information.
jordan holmes
I was waiting.
alex jones
That's a movie.
This is a real world.
unidentified
Many...
alex jones
People have been put in prison and killed to bring us this information.
And we just sit there kind of like, oh, the NSA talked to our people last night and said they're turning on the NSA spy grid and they're about to have white supremacists attack the Border Patrol.
Oh, that's just Alex over there.
You know, he's just saying that stuff.
I didn't say that.
It's true.
You're being given the keys to their destruction.
That's what we do.
Because we're willing to do it, folks.
And people go, why are you still alive?
Because the devil ain't in charge, folks.
We give him all the power he's got.
How about we stop giving him the power?
jordan holmes
How about we stop giving you wisdom?
alex jones
The new order pulled me over today and stood me up against the wall and said, reject Jesus Christ or I'm going to shoot in the back of the head.
I'd say, thank God I'm about to get the hell out of this.
And I'm not suicidal.
I'm just saying.
It's a big burden to fight these people.
But it's a pleasurable one.
But it's also like, just complete the mission.
Be a man.
Never stop.
Never give up.
Never bend.
And it's like, oh, you're going to kill me?
I have the things they've done to my family.
And I don't bitch.
I'm not a victim.
unidentified
What?
The things they've done to me.
alex jones
It's like, oh, God, you already hurt me so bad.
jordan holmes
$90,000 a month.
The things they've done to me.
alex jones
That's the ecstasy of it, is they've hurt me so bad, there's not much more they can do.
unidentified
Oh, boy.
alex jones
The last thing I'm going to do...
jordan holmes
If only we could find out.
dan friesen
...just get my hands around their neck.
alex jones
Ah.
unidentified
Ah.
alex jones
Because my full will is against them.
They can feel like a knife in their guts.
My will is like a double-edged, foot-long dagger shoved right up their ass.
And they can feel it, and they know it, and I'm going to get them.
I'm going to get your ass, even if it's the last thing I do.
dan friesen
That's really upsetting.
jordan holmes
Are we doing a fake cry laugh that turned into a real cry laugh?
dan friesen
I have no idea.
jordan holmes
What the fuck just happened there?
dan friesen
Like, even if you believe in conspiracies, you should see this person as mentally unwell.
That level of mood swing, the overly dramatic way of expressing emotion, it's all either someone who really needs help or it's someone who wants to be seen that way, which is just as mentally unbalanced of a place to be.
You know how Alex thinks that all consequences that come his way are a symbol of how right he is and how he's over the target?
I suspect that displaying insanity in this way is a way of pretending to be sincere.
A person who's facing down the literal devil and all that...
They would be nuts.
They would have been driven mad by what they've seen, and I think Alex knows that.
I suspect he realizes that he has to do little performances like this every now and then to make it look like he really is so burdened by the truth that he's seen that it has to be kept hidden from the rest of the world.
It's his burden.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
But you may notice that he's not so burdened that he can't keep it together to sell the audience gold.
jordan holmes
So wild.
dan friesen
He's a really fucked up dude.
I grant that, and I'm not saying all of this is fake, but...
A lot of the intensity of these emotions are put on.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yep.
dan friesen
But either way, this is a bad thing to have as a show.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because this is so different than just minutes earlier.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Something broke.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah, it is like...
Because he's not...
It's not a fake laugh and it's not a fake cry.
dan friesen
That's the problem.
It's a little bit.
jordan holmes
It's a little bit of both.
But also, it is that level of, like, I know that I'm faking this.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
But if you were to ask him to, like, put an exact number on how much he's faking it, I think he'd be wrong.
dan friesen
I think he knows he's faking it until, like, you know, sometimes you get really into things when you start saying them.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what I mean.
dan friesen
Start to create your own feedback loop.
jordan holmes
That's what I mean.
I mean, I think that it, like...
The intent, the will at the start makes sense.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I'm going to put on a show.
jordan holmes
And then where it goes from there could be fake, could be real, but what is decided, he doesn't know.
You know what I'm saying?
He's along for the ride once the ride starts.
dan friesen
He's off on a chase geyser.
jordan holmes
Yes, he's off on a chase geyser.
Yeah, you got it.
dan friesen
So he does some more dramatic yelling.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Because his mood has shifted.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And then he decides he's going to cover the news.
And it turns out what the news is, if you pay close attention, much like you had to pay real close attention...
jordan holmes
To see that he was not there.
dan friesen
Yeah.
If you pay close attention, the news is a transphobic meme.
jordan holmes
Odd.
alex jones
You know, Captain Ahab got his leg cut off and broken up in that fictional book.
And he hated that white whale and went after it.
Well, all that white whale did was take your leg off, man.
I get it.
You're pissed.
Stop complaining, Ahab.
He took a lot more of my leg.
He took a lot more.
And I know you're going down.
I can smell your death.
jordan holmes
I really don't know what metaphor it is.
alex jones
I can feel it right now.
jordan holmes
It just doesn't get it.
alex jones
And sure, I'd love to be around at the end of this and sit around and piss on your graves, but that's not going to happen.
We all know what's going to happen.
We're going to beat these people, and we're going to get them.
And we got them right now.
They think they got us.
We got them.
They think they broke our will.
We have broken their will.
And I want you right now to know why they fear this broadcast.
Because the Spirit of God is alive with us right now.
We are dialed into God.
We are eternal.
We are eternal.
And we will never submit to them.
We will never bow.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
I got hundreds of articles right here.
unidentified
Hundreds.
alex jones
I got clips that are so horrible.
My only failure is I watch this stuff and I'm going to put it on air.
Do you know what?
unidentified
What?
It is what it is.
Yep.
Just look at this headline right here.
jordan holmes
It's a real...
unidentified
Look at this headline right here.
Because it says it all.
Look at this meme.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
alex jones
If you're ready to listen, I'll describe it.
jordan holmes
I want to stab you.
alex jones
Probably a four-year-old girl.
jordan holmes
I genuinely don't know.
alex jones
You'd die for her, wouldn't you?
unidentified
There's no question you would, because you've got God on your side.
Is this a meme?
alex jones
If you're ready to die for her, you're dead already.
dan friesen
I don't think that's a meme.
unidentified
Drive a car?
No.
She can't drive a car.
alex jones
She doesn't know how.
jordan holmes
Is this alt text?
alex jones
Pick your bedtime, little four-year-old boy.
unidentified
No.
Drink a beer.
alex jones
For a little six-year-old girl?
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
What?
What are we doing?
unidentified
No.
alex jones
Cut off your sexual organs and take hormones?
unidentified
Yes.
alex jones
Look how far we've slid.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
Yeah, so the news, the headline that Alex was pointing to that he decided is going to be, it says it all, is a transphobic meme that he's rambling about.
This dude is a fucking joke.
It's ridiculous.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Oh, I'm so serious.
I cover all the important news.
I talk to federal judges.
Here's the headlines.
Here's the news.
It's a meme.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
Fuck you.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
It's a shameful display.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
Yep.
Yep.
dan friesen
And also, I think that Alex, you know, at least a couple of those examples...
I don't think that he thinks that children can't do those things.
He certainly was drinking at like 10 or whatever with his dad at the game.
jordan holmes
At the very least a.m.
dan friesen
He believes in people in the country, you know, being able to drive much younger than you're allowed with a license.
So some of these examples don't even make sense.
unidentified
Riding on my grandfather's farm, you know, drive tractor, he sat on...
dan friesen
So anyway, this is a dude who's in a fucked up headspace.
This is a mess.
I think you forgot the name.
jordan holmes
I forgot.
You know, sometimes whenever I'm in a mood and I get a clip like Alex being like, this is the news.
This tells you everything.
Here's the headline.
Here's the meme.
Let me describe it to you.
dan friesen
Let me describe this meme?
jordan holmes
Let me describe it to you.
Which is a progression.
dan friesen
If you say...
jordan holmes
Which is a progression.
unidentified
If you say the news is this meme, let me describe it to you.
Hold on.
dan friesen
You're fucked.
jordan holmes
I want to try and slow...
I want to try and go down this sentence progression real quick.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Let me tell you this.
This headline, it says everything.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
I'm going to read you the news.
I'm going to read you this headline.
All right.
I'm going to read you a meme.
unidentified
All right.
jordan holmes
Let me describe this meme to you.
That's intense.
But here's my problem.
dan friesen
It's all a...
Precipitous, downhill slide of credibility.
jordan holmes
My problem is that we are not at the bottom.
My problem is that I feel like we're just at part of the slide.
And we're just catching our sliver of it today.
And we could go anywhere and just be on a different part of the slide.
We wouldn't be free of it.
You know, we could go to fucking Fox News.
We'd be on a different part of the slide.
We wouldn't be free of it.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
And that's where I'm at in the meme space.
It's like, oh, man.
But you can't read Sunday newspapers.
dan friesen
That's really what it is, I think.
I don't think that...
Well, I don't know.
Maybe Gutfeld.
I don't know.
I was trying to think.
Gutfeld!
Maybe Jesse Waters.
I was trying to think of who would read a meme, and I bet maybe they would.
jordan holmes
I think they would.
I think they do.
I think they do.
I think they are, and I think that's what I'm most reacting to, is not Alex saying, I'm going to read you this meme.
It's that Alex is saying, I'm going to read you the news, and then...
Slowly over time, because he's who he is, tells you the truth.
Whereas if you were a good liar, you just would have described the meme and called it a headline.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
And just moved on, you know?
dan friesen
Maybe.
Calling it a headline alone is...
jordan holmes
Well, yeah.
dan friesen
That's dicey.
jordan holmes
I mean, you know what I mean.
You would have passed it off.
You could have passed it off.
And Alex doesn't do that.
Alex, for some fucking reason, still has to tell you...
Well, it is a meme.
dan friesen
Well, because I think that he thinks that memes are the news.
jordan holmes
I know.
dan friesen
He has no real gauge of information.
He pretends that he's like the end-all, be-all of discernment and information.
He's the tip of the spear in the info war.
He just thinks little drawings are news.
jordan holmes
I hate this world.
dan friesen
Yeah, you're going to hate it more because we have one last clip.
jordan holmes
What did you make for me?
dan friesen
We have one last clip.
And it is a pretty disgusting transphobia.
jordan holmes
Great.
dan friesen
So if you are sensitive to that, please, you can clock out.
jordan holmes
I was doing good.
I was doing good.
There we go.
dan friesen
Shit's bad.
jordan holmes
Shit's bad!
dan friesen
And here is Alex, and he...
I feel like if you listen to this, it's really fucked up.
But then, at the end, just the last second of the clip, there's something that I feel like is so fucking revealing.
alex jones
You know, the same, I was literally sending this two days ago at like 6 a.m. to the crew to air.
I never aired it.
And like, as I'm sending the video off Twitter, off X, to the crew, Joe Rogan sends me the link and says, look how evil this is.
I'm like, wow, that's the zeitgeist.
I never got to it.
It's this mother.
Look at her.
It's this trendy mother with her 10-year-old daughter, and she cries and begs and doesn't want it, and they inject her with pellets that are going to sterilize her for life and ruin her power.
And this person does it because she wants to be trendy.
Lady, you got God to deal with.
But just look at them.
It's their sacrament.
I will bring to you Moloch, my daughter.
I will destroy her fertility.
I will bow to you.
I will give you everything you want.
Just give me your certification of approval.
And that is the mark of the beast.
Look at the face of that mother.
Look at the face of that mother right here.
Her begging mommy, don't do it.
And we're like, we're taking your fertility.
You're never going to have children.
We're raping you beyond rape.
And there's the mother right there.
Look at the face.
The satisfaction.
unidentified
Look at the overhead shot.
Look at this shot.
Right here.
Look at that mother.
Right here.
alex jones
Guys, overhead shot.
unidentified
Look at that.
alex jones
The pleasure.
The pressing on the nerve of God.
I've got my daughter here.
We're about to sterilize her.
And there ain't nothing you can do to stop it.
unidentified
Yeah!
alex jones
And look.
Look at this map.
Before Obama, 2007, no gender transition clinics.
And look at it after Obama.
unidentified
And the Pritzkers and all of them.
Modern human sacrifice.
alex jones
Alright, I'm out of time.
dan friesen
Alright, I'm out of time.
That I'm out of time there is so fucking glaring.
unidentified
He's doing all this bleh, bleh, disgusting bleh.
dan friesen
It's all so fake.
It's all like a presentation, a performance he's doing that he can check out of in a second and be like, oh, we're out of time.
It's disgusting.
So Alex is talking about a little clip of an 11-year-old child getting puberty blockers with her mother's consent.
It appears that the child is crying at times when getting the shot, but that's because they're getting a shot.
It wasn't because she didn't want the shot.
It was because the medical stuff is scary.
Like, if you videotape my doctor's appointments up to, like, the age of 16, I can guarantee I did not respond to shots well myself.
jordan holmes
When we got one, I passed out at a Walgreens.
dan friesen
Yeah?
jordan holmes
Yeah, it was big.
It was one of those big ones, though.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And it was huge, and I was like, cool, that was all right.
And then my wife and the lady both looked at me and they said, I just fell forward.
And I was on the ground.
dan friesen
Right.
All this shit is Alex editorializing what goes on in his own mind when he's watching this clip.
It's what he projects onto it.
It's not real.
So this was a clip that was making the rounds in transphobic Twitter, presented as if it's something new.
But in reality, this is from a 2012 NBC News report.
jordan holmes
Oh, for God's sake.
dan friesen
Called Living a Transgender Childhood.
jordan holmes
You're joking.
dan friesen
In the 12 years since, the young lady is still living happily.
You can find an advocate article about her that links to her Instagram account.
She seems to be doing great.
By all accounts, she wasn't coerced into receiving puberty blockers.
And this is all just a story that folks like Marjorie Taylor, Tyler Green, the libs of TikTok Lady and Alex have cooked up because it aligns with their hate and transphobia.
They see a video of a mother emotionally supporting their daughter, and because they're trans, the act of caring and supporting becomes sinister.
Everything that is happening.
And that's all that's going on in Alex's mind.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
The larger point here is that Alex is a hateful monster.
This shit is completely unhinged and designed to work toward creating a society where LGBTQ youth...
I find myself saying Q-th.
jordan holmes
Q-th.
LGBTQ-th.
I like that.
dan friesen
They're in more danger.
And that's what Alex wants to create.
That's an area where they're in more danger because he doesn't want them to exist.
It's really glaring to see the quickness that Alex shifts his tone after the outburst and he has to go out to break.
It shows the lack of sincerity behind the performance.
He sincerely believes the hateful points that he's making, but all that emotion is a farce.
It's meant to inject his points into the emotional processing parts of the audience's brain instead of the parts where he's making an argument and showing facts.
He wants you to emotionally feel these things he's saying to override critical thinking.
Because that's all he can do.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, what I feel like we often run into, or run up against in terms of conversations with people, is this idea of like, oh, well, they want to use emotion to override your ability to think through things, and then the fact-checking and all this stuff.
But it is the emotion that gets people to do stuff.
You know?
Like, period.
Like, it is not that the emotion itself is bad.
His arguments are bad.
He's using emotion to keep you from giving a shit about those and to get you to do stuff, to buy shit, to do all that stuff.
I mean, it's just so fucking exhausting that you can't talk people through that.
dan friesen
I do agree that on some level everything has emotion attached to it because we're humans.
jordan holmes
To get across the line of moving.
There's an inertia to not going someplace.
There's an inertia.
dan friesen
Yeah, but I don't think that's the only way you get people to do things.
jordan holmes
I agree with you.
dan friesen
I agree with you strongly.
I think it is an effective...
jordan holmes
It's a way you get people to do stupid shit.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
It's the best way to get people to do stupid shit.
dan friesen
Overriding critical thinking skills.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And critical thinking parts of your brain.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Now, I think that if Alex was just like, I'm doing an incitement-based show where I scream at people about my feelings and make them feel bad things.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
I don't think I would have the same criticism for him because that's what he's doing and that's what he knows what he's doing and everyone knows.
People sign up looking for information.
This is the information war.
Info wars.
And instead what he's doing is packaging this within that branding.
And it's...
I don't know.
It's...
I mean, it's obviously manipulative.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and it's a survival...
I mean, because the existence of what it is he actually does, the thing he parodies, if it were accepted and trustworthy and of value in and of itself, Alex wouldn't exist.
dan friesen
That's not 100% true, because there is decent news that does exist.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
I mean, more like, if the news were capable of...
Teaching you the difference between reality and unreality, Alex would have nowhere to purchase.
dan friesen
That's fair.
jordan holmes
You know what I'm saying?
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Not that he couldn't do anything or that people are not trying hard enough.
It's simply like what exists.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know?
dan friesen
Yeah.
It's a bummer.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But all in all, I mean, I think the other thing to really put a fine point on is...
That when he's talking about his fantasies, when he sees these pictures, that's him.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, that's in his brain.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And that is what he thinks, like, supporting LGBTQ youth is.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
He thinks it's sacrificing these children to Moloch.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Or whatever.
So, I don't know.
jordan holmes
It's important.
It's one of those fucked up things that is taking so long to get.
Like, from my child, from the way that we're raised in this world, you know, of just, like, that idea of the person who's telling me about what other people think is actually telling me what they think.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I can't begin to describe how long it took for me to get, like, wait a second, so then when the preacher goes, blah, blah, blah, blah, this is what the evil people are doing.
He's describing his own thoughts.
He's not telling me about other people.
You know what I mean?
I'm not broadcasting that as like a, this is the only thing.
But it is so much in that that's what Alex does.
dan friesen
Yeah, projection can be a two-way street.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he's just like, oh, this is what those gross people are thinking.
unidentified
It's like, that's you, man.
dan friesen
This is your fantasy around other people's reality.
jordan holmes
That you're fucking their lives up because you think weird.
dan friesen
Yeah, you're contributing to fucking up everyone's life.
And, you know, this is true in terms of immigrants, too.
And, you know, it certainly shouldn't be, you know, kept in one box.
There's a hundred different boxes of people who Alex is doing this, you know.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it is.
dan friesen
With his false-ass information show.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Everybody that I've ever met has been pretty much everybody that I've ever met, except for the people who tell me that I can't trust everybody.
Those people are individuals and weird.
dan friesen
So, we come to the end of this, and I think we definitely saw Alex have a bombshell exclusive about the border.
Certainly nailed that.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Is that what we were doing?
dan friesen
Maybe.
unidentified
I think so.
dan friesen
We got a new gold guy.
And we finally heard from Chase Geyser.
And it was what it was.
jordan holmes
It was the last eruption of the geyser.
dan friesen
Yeah, we may not be seeing it in a bit.
jordan holmes
There's no faithfulness to this eruption.
dan friesen
A little dull.
So, we'll be back.
But until then, Jordan, we have a website.
jordan holmes
Indeed we do.
It's KnowledgeFight.com.
dan friesen
Yep, we're also on Blue Sky.
jordan holmes
We are on Blue Sky.
It's Knowledge Fight.
dan friesen
Yep, we'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX Clark.
You're popping and locking.
That doesn't help.
It actually is more distracting than if I...
unidentified
And now here comes the sex robot.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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