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#895: January 30, 2024

In this installment, Dan and Jordan check in on how Alex is holding up and find that he's learned a new way to mispronounce Vivek Ramaswamy's name, is still doing his racist dragon character, and is strangely defensive about Leave It To Beaver.

Participants
Main voices
a
alex jones
23:39
d
dan friesen
42:50
j
jordan holmes
24:18
Appearances
v
vivek ramaswamy
01:11
Clips
p
pastor david manning
00:02
s
steve quayle
00:02
Callers
baldy in newyork
00:04
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Speaker Time Text
unidentified
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
Dan and Jordan.
Knowledge fight.
Need money.
Andy in Kansas.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
Stop it.
Andy in Kansas.
Andy in Kansas.
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
jordan holmes
I love your room.
unidentified
Knowledge fight.
alex jones
Knowledgefight.com.
unidentified
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey everybody!
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
I have a quick question for you.
dan friesen
A QQ.
Quick question.
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot today, bud?
dan friesen
My bright spot, unsurprisingly, as a follow-up to our last episode, I gave a try to the Like a Dragon Infinite Wealth and Bowman.
jordan holmes
We're hosed.
dan friesen
It's good.
It's a good game.
It's a lot of fun.
Yeah, I don't know what else to say.
It's insane in the best way.
It's nonsensical.
And you and I were texting about it.
It's just so fun to wander around the streets of Honolulu and say hi to people.
jordan holmes
And say hi to people!
It's so fun!
And it makes me feel good!
dan friesen
Yeah, and it boosts your stats.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Making friends.
Giving the old hang loose.
jordan holmes
It really is so nice.
It's terrible.
dan friesen
There is something that is uplifting about the game in a weird way.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
There's something that feels sweet.
jordan holmes
Yeah!
The commitment to absurdity and wide-eyed innocence and openness and honesty in the face of, I guess, a strange and corrupt world.
It's fantastic.
dan friesen
And maybe that's only possible because of the absurdity of the main character.
The naive...
Someone with spirits that cannot be taken down.
jordan holmes
That is true.
dan friesen
But yeah, it's a lot of fun.
Such a bizarrely diverse gameplay.
I don't know.
I don't want this to turn into a commercial, but man, it's a lot of fun.
jordan holmes
I got my sea captain recycling.
That's what I'll tell you about the game.
My sea captain is recycling.
dan friesen
That's a great out-of-context phrase that no one...
I don't even understand what that means.
jordan holmes
Yep.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
I've played a bit of the game and that does not make sense to me.
So what's your bright spot?
jordan holmes
My bright spot is my wife just got her wedding ring tattoo.
dan friesen
Oh, fun.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
You beat her to that punch by quite almost two years.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Caitlin McKay, who did my arm, she came back, did her left hand.
It's a protea.
Whereas mine is the impressionistic watercolor style.
Hers is right on.
It looks like a flower.
It's gorgeous.
And it fits with her sleeve.
It's just beautiful.
dan friesen
It's wonderful that she's finally committed.
jordan holmes
Yep.
Yep.
It's nice.
It's nice that we finally decided to stay together.
dan friesen
Well, that's great.
I mean, you know, two years of marriage is kind of just the warranty phase.
unidentified
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
We can still get an annulment.
unidentified
Right, right.
jordan holmes
Lord knows we haven't concentrated it yet.
dan friesen
That's what she was waiting for, yeah.
The annulment period to pass.
All right, I'll get the tattoo.
jordan holmes
All right, Jesus.
dan friesen
That's great.
That's great.
I look forward to seeing that at some point.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
We're going to be talking about January 30th.
2024.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
The present day.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
When we last left off, Alex was pretty up in arms about the border.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
And how there was going to be a standoff and maybe those states could secede.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That was five days ago, right?
dan friesen
Yeah, this has calmed down a little bit.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I think part of the reason is because what's actually going on and the tension that's actually going on there is a little bit boring.
backing of a bunch of states saying fuck you to the federal government.
Sure.
unidentified
And that isn't going to come to a head until it comes to a head.
dan friesen
Right.
unidentified
And in the meantime, when it doesn't come to a head, it can bore people who are into sensationalism and who make their market on that.
Right.
dan friesen
Secondarily, the razor's edge.
Of January 6th cuts in two directions.
So there was a lot of talk about that convoy that was going to go down, and I think Alex was pretty excited about that.
jordan holmes
Everybody likes a convoy in this world.
dan friesen
The problem is, as it's happened, it appears from some of the reporting I've seen that a lot of people are afraid that it is a setup.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Because, you know, January 6th was a setup.
Everybody got set up by the feds.
And so the numbers are not nearly as...
Would have been expected by the people who are promoting this in advance.
jordan holmes
Be wise, because I would guarantee they are infiltrated by a Fed.
dan friesen
I think that a number of these elements have had a way of deflating some of the super excitement.
Now, granted, Alex is still cooking on that front.
He's still making a lot of hay about the border.
He's got reporters down there.
He's still on board with that.
But the temperature has dropped considerably in terms of...
This is all we're talking about, and the seceding is maybe on the table.
This is great.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Now we can get back to talking about all kinds of other stuff, and it's in the back of his mind.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Which I think is interesting, but it is the tension and pullback a little bit.
That strategy of, like, you build up the rubber band, and I think that we're in that letting it sit.
jordan holmes
I've figured it out.
All right?
Because I've been thinking about the border for quite a while.
And people have been telling me that there's a crisis.
All of these things.
Here's my pitch.
Mexico.
United States.
We get together.
Sit down.
Right down the treaty.
We move the border back 100 feet.
Surprise!
What are you guys fighting over?
That's not even your land anymore.
Idiots, move back.
So if you're going to be a child and argue over a pretend line in the sand, we're just going to move the sand.
That simple.
dan friesen
To a new pretend line.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
And then you guys move back.
And we'll do the Bugs Bunny thing until they go over the cliff.
And then, surprise!
All of the right-wing people are in the ocean.
dan friesen
Historically, this strategy has worked, where you move borders and then you realize people realize that they're not real.
This has happened before.
I think your strategy is soundproof.
jordan holmes
I think it goes well.
dan friesen
Soundproof?
jordan holmes
Soundproof indeed.
I can't hear it.
dan friesen
So, there's a bunch of nonsense to talk about today, but first, let's say hello to some new wonks.
jordan holmes
Love it.
dan friesen
So first, can't think of anything creative to say in the shout-out at the moment, so whatever compels you is good, was listening to...
I'm a policy wonk.
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
unidentified
Thank you.
dan friesen
Next, all the wonks and the wonky people.
WhatsApp group, thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you!
dan friesen
Next, our top story tonight, Dawn de Grand Prix, still dead.
Thank you so much, you're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much!
dan friesen
And I remember watching FEMA death camps videos in middle school circa 2005 Google videos, thinking it was really stupid, and switching over to watch a sick Naruto AMVs instead.
Thank you so much, you're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much!
dan friesen
I don't think I know what that is.
jordan holmes
I was gonna say, I imagine that is similar to Sea Captain's recycling to you.
dan friesen
I'm guessing MV is music videos?
jordan holmes
Uh, AMV is anime music videos.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
So it's like those short, uh, yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, so I was close.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, you're right on.
dan friesen
So we got a technocrat in the mix, Jordan.
So thank you so much, too.
Thank you so much for all the hours of painful, painful Alex Jones entertainment, and Happy New Year.
Thank you so much.
You're now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
pastor david manning
Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
alex jones
Daddy Shark.
Bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp.
Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
unidentified
He's a loser little titty baby.
alex jones
I don't want to hate black people.
I renounce Jesus Christ!
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
jordan holmes
Yes, thank you very much.
dan friesen
And just a periodic reminder, because we haven't said this in a while, but our Patreon, the mailbox in there is useless.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
If you're trying to reach out to us, please send an email to knowledgefight at gmail.com.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Jordan monitors that email address, so that's where to send things.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
Send it.
You will be in the queue.
dan friesen
Yep.
So, we start off this show, and Alex is in one of the moods he gets in from time to time, which is complaining about other talk radio we listen to that day.
alex jones
Look, I was sitting here right before we went live looking at all this news, and I just want to say something.
This morning I had some errands to take care of.
I normally just drive straight to work, so I was driving around quite a bit this morning, so I listened to probably, in traffic, an hour and a half of...
Talk radio.
And I just sampled probably 15 different conservative radio shows in Austin, in San Antonio, in Dallas, because I get, you know, we get all those.
jordan holmes
I think DJ Shadow collaborated on those samples.
alex jones
And it was just so amateurish.
And it was so hawkish and World War III.
dan friesen
Oh, man.
alex jones
What?
dan friesen
What criticism coming from Alex?
unidentified
It's amateurish?
dan friesen
I guess Alex, you would not necessarily describe him as hawkish on World War III, but he's obsessed with it and says that it's constantly starting.
jordan holmes
I would suggest that a real shooting civil war in the United States has a gigantic possibility of turning into World War III.
So if you're hawkish on that...
dan friesen
Look, he's no Dove.
I'll tell you that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I will say that, too.
dan friesen
He's not a peace guy.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
But, you know, the way that I view Hawks.
Yeah.
Talking about Dominique Wilkins.
The human highlight reel of wars.
You know, I think about, like, George Bush and his administration, basically.
I think of, like, Hawks.
And I wouldn't necessarily...
unidentified
I don't know.
dan friesen
I wouldn't put Alex in that category.
But you're right.
He's not a peace guy either.
jordan holmes
I think of guys like Joe Lieberman.
Those types of old, ineffectual, pointless white men who are like, yeah, let's kill children.
That's Hawks to me.
dan friesen
Sure, that's in the category.
But more to the point, amateurish.
Come on now, buddy.
jordan holmes
I'm not mad at the crew.
dan friesen
Come on, Alex.
jordan holmes
Get the fuck out of here.
dan friesen
Smash cut.
Storming out of the show repeatedly.
jordan holmes
Fine, fine!
If we can't get the guy on the phone, then I'll just go!
dan friesen
So, one of the big news items of the day is Ilhan Omar had said some things, and then those things were misrepresented by people in the right wing.
jordan holmes
That sounds right.
dan friesen
And so Alex gets a little racist, a little xenophobic.
alex jones
I mentioned it yesterday, but I didn't get to it.
I want to play the video today.
Of Ilhan Omar saying she doesn't care about America.
She cares about Somalia and expanding Somalia's power.
She tried to slip in a deal a few years ago to change the Minnesota flag to basically the Somali flag.
These people are crazy.
And that dovetails with the new thing that came out yesterday afternoon with the press secretary, the black raggedy Ann.
White House spokesman called out for odd condolence statement of three U.S. troops fighting and dying for the administration.
Well, I remember the press reports at the time, because it was in the L.A. Times, when Bill Clinton won the election back in 1992 and was getting into office in 1993 at the inauguration, F-16s flew over.
And a big director, producer, Ron Silver, got mad and said, how dare them?
They're threatening us.
And Hillary pulled him by the arm in front of the press.
jordan holmes
Sorry?
alex jones
It happened.
Some members of the press said, Ron, it's okay.
They're under our control now.
unidentified
They were.
alex jones
Imagine the weird Los Angeles, L.A., New World Order, Hollywood mindset that they hate this country so much and that even when they get control of it, they destroy it because they have a fundamental spiritual chip on their shoulder.
jordan holmes
That's how you would describe it?
alex jones
She got saved by U.S. troops when she was a little kid and moved here.
And then she just boils and oozes and glows and burns with an America hate because she feels insecure.
She feels like she's a sack of garbage.
And I don't think Somalis are sacks of garbage, but America used to really be number one in everything.
And so these people...
jordan holmes
How are those two thoughts connected?
alex jones
And running it down.
In fact, Harrison Smith last week did a little piece that I forgot to play.
You guys can find it.
I sent it to you, I think, last Friday.
jordan holmes
That's the life story of Harrison.
alex jones
And Harrison was playing a clip of a lady that's for real saying, America's never been great.
America's horrible.
America's always been evil.
And you have to understand, with these people, that's really their mindset.
I liken it to...
The barbarians that finally conquered Rome in 410.
And instead of occupying Rome and taking over its palaces, they just burned it all down.
dan friesen
So, leaving aside the fun image of Hillary Rodham Clinton at Bill Clinton's inauguration grabbing Ron Silver and being like, no, no, it's cool.
The Jets work for us now.
Everything is alright.
That's absurd.
jordan holmes
Remember those incredibly petite photos of her in the early 90s with that hair?
Just with the nails grabbing Ron Silver by the...
By the tricep flesh.
dan friesen
It brings to mind a fun image.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it does.
dan friesen
I would enjoy it.
But this whole thing was about Ilhan Omar saying some shit.
jordan holmes
I believe so.
dan friesen
So Alex is part of the right-wing bandwagon that was currently demonizing Ilhan Omar for things she didn't say in a speech.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
They're taking mistranslated pieces of things she did say out of context in order to present the picture that she holds a higher loyalty to Somalia than the United States.
And in essence for Alex, this all boils down to him not believing that immigrants can integrate into U.S. society if they aren't white.
That's core belief to him, so any claim that feeds into this will automatically be accepted with no further analysis.
Listen, there's no examination of what she actually said.
Doesn't play clip.
It's just taken.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, what I find fascinating about that, really, is that it's not about her even saying anything.
dan friesen
No, it's her existence.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean, it's really just, it's almost like a nice thing for them to be reminded, oh, Ilhan Omar talked so we can say racist things about her.
And then if you point it out she didn't even actually say that, they'll be like, yeah, but it felt true.
dan friesen
Yeah, but she's in office and that bothers me.
jordan holmes
Yeah, she could have said that.
She could have said that.
unidentified
It seems like something she might say.
jordan holmes
She might have said it, and that means she did say it.
dan friesen
And you know what?
The fact that I thought that she might have said it, I think that really speaks volumes.
jordan holmes
That proves everything about her I need to know.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
Okay.
Might be in your head.
unidentified
Well...
dan friesen
Yeah.
That's basically what's going on.
But it leads, Alex, to this, like, they're all barbarians trying to tear down the United States.
jordan holmes
That's fun.
dan friesen
And so he talks about this, and then he has a fun example of something that the left hates.
unidentified
Ooh.
alex jones
So there's no sense of a lot of these illegals and others they brought in, these so-called UN refugees, of wanting to make America greater, being part of it.
Because they're taught by the UN when they're brought in and by the left.
To hate this country.
And that's not just something the right wing says about the left.
They really do hate America.
jordan holmes
I do.
alex jones
And anything that they associate it with.
Success.
Good families.
Christianity.
Being honorable.
Leave it to Beaver.
jordan holmes
That one.
alex jones
They think something like leave it to Beaver.
And that's how my dad was brought up.
That's how my mom was brought up.
They're like people from leave it to Beaver.
Okay.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
They see that as square and stupid and dumb to be honest and wholesome and good.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry, are the kids still saying square?
alex jones
Are wimps.
They don't know that we're actually learned and educated and historically informed and spiritually dialed in.
If we wanted to be evil, you'd be in a lot of trouble.
Because we're way better at it than you, believe me.
That's how I know what you're up to.
I can pick up on your evil.
I have the knowledge of evil, not just good.
But I just want it to sink into the listeners.
That this is a spiritual disease and that the left worldwide are basically NPCs set on a mission to burn down the world.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
By the devil.
All right.
dan friesen
And they hate Leave It to Beaver.
jordan holmes
All right.
Yeah.
I mean, I didn't think it was great.
dan friesen
No, it sucked.
It's a boring show.
jordan holmes
I hate it.
dan friesen
No, it sucks.
jordan holmes
I don't know if I've ever actually watched a full episode, though, so I guess it does suck.
dan friesen
I did watch it when I was a kid.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
My parents are very...
Limiting of what sort of things we could watch.
So some of those older shows were deemed safe, you know, because they're boring shit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I don't remember a lot of it, but I don't think that any of the characters were raving John Birch Society lunatics.
So, I don't know if Alex's family actually was like Leave it to Beaver.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, you don't know what happens whenever, after the freeze frame, that's immediately when they pull out Ravilo P. Oliver and they just ride.
dan friesen
So, talking about the real problems in the world.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
Hey, everybody, now it's time to talk Candyman.
dan friesen
Cameras are off.
Speak freely.
jordan holmes
Let's roll.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
It's an interesting example.
jordan holmes
I'm always a big fan of Leave It to Beaver just as a title.
I like a title that's a command.
Like, oh, okay.
dan friesen
I don't think it is.
I'll leave it to him.
jordan holmes
You don't think it's a command for us to leave it to Beaver?
dan friesen
I think it's like, leave it to him to do this kind of thing.
jordan holmes
Okay, alright.
dan friesen
That's what I always thought leave it to Beaver meant.
Leave it to Beaver to get into all this trouble.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
I always took it as like, well, let's let Beaver handle it.
dan friesen
I don't know.
We may never know, because I haven't watched that show in 30 fucking years.
jordan holmes
I don't think I've ever watched it, so you're probably at the very least more likely to be correct.
dan friesen
So Trump was a sensible statesman.
Yeah.
You know, there's this situation with Iran going on right now where some soldiers were killed, some U.S. soldiers.
jordan holmes
You know what I think of when I think of statesmen?
I think of the President of the United States saying, this is the mother of all bombs.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
I think of a man with this much power reveling in the idea of dropping a bomb on no one for no reason.
dan friesen
Well, that's statesmanlike.
jordan holmes
That's statesman.
alex jones
Iran engaged in a couple of attacks under Trump.
And Trump said no to the Republican-Democratic establishment wanting a full bombardment of Tehran that would have led to a wider war.
Instead, Trump said, we're going to kill...
Soleimani.
And they killed the leader of their military.
And notice you didn't see anything out of the Iranians after that.
That's what you do.
You kill their leaders.
jordan holmes
You kill the generals.
alex jones
When you're taking out the mafia, you want to bust the Don.
You don't sit there and go to a full war, because you can.
Iran has forces in hundreds of countries, including ours.
We've left them in.
You can't just run around trying to find all of them.
You have to cut their money off and you have to kill their leadership.
dan friesen
It seems to me that targeted assassinations of high-level figures inside a government is maybe more likely to start a war than bombing.
But I might be wrong.
I can only imagine that if some country's military assassinated our Secretary of Defense, it wouldn't just be something like, ah, it's all in the game.
jordan holmes
Hey, what are you going to do?
What are you going to do?
dan friesen
I don't know.
Also, Trump's action was almost certainly a violation of international law.
jordan holmes
I mean, yeah, obviously.
dan friesen
It's all fun and games for Alex here, but pretending Trump was some kind of rational, reasoned military figure is ridiculous.
Like you mentioned, he dropped the mother of all bombs on Afghanistan in 2017, and he outdid Obama in terms of launching drone strikes, even going so far as to repeal a rule where civilians Yeah.
I mean, listen.
jordan holmes
One, international law is hilarious.
I love it.
I really appreciate how effective it is at stopping stuff.
But I think my favorite thing about the mother of all bombs is calling it that.
You know, have you ever thought about the dignity of the president?
The dignity of the office.
And to sit there with your fingers twiddling like Mr. Burns going, I'm going to drop the mother of all bombs on people.
dan friesen
But did he name it that?
jordan holmes
I actually think he did.
dan friesen
I'm not sure.
I don't think he did.
There's something...
There's some little...
Sliver of memory that it was called that prior to him.
jordan holmes
Prior to him.
dan friesen
I'm not sure, but if you're right, then it does become a little more maniacal.
jordan holmes
I mean, just call it something.
Like, even then, whenever they're talking about the nuclear bomb, just like, oh, Thin Man or something, like, man, dude, that's fucking hell.
That is a hellish nightmare creation that you've got, and you're calling it Thin Man?
unidentified
Fuck you.
jordan holmes
Thin Man.
dan friesen
Sending in Thin Man.
jordan holmes
Ugh.
dan friesen
At the same time, codenames are fun.
jordan holmes
They are fun.
You're not wrong.
dan friesen
Also the board game codenames.
jordan holmes
That is quite fun.
Absolutely.
dan friesen
So something that's not fun is tweeting about World War III.
And people are doing it.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
People are doing it.
jordan holmes
They should stop.
It's not fun.
alex jones
You can pull up some of the tweets I reposted on X where major conservative accounts and groups are just saying, we need World War III.
They're saying World War III is the best option.
And they're not thinking through what World War III means.
Once the nukes start going, once they start getting used, there isn't an analyst out there that says it isn't a vast probability it then leads to full nuclear war and then we're all dead.
Unless you're living in some South Pacific island.
And again, even if you're in some bunker in Wyoming, folks, there's a full nuclear war.
The scenarios make Road Warrior look like a walk in the park.
Because there'll be tens of millions of dead.
Hundreds of millions with energy off, break down the food chain, and then people are just going to come dig you out of your bunkers, ladies and gentlemen, and eat your ass.
I mean, I've looked at the scenarios.
I should do a whole breakdown.
Have you seen Viggo Mortensen in The Road?
jordan holmes
That's what you're talking about.
dan friesen
Sure.
alex jones
A year after a nuclear war, that's what you're looking at.
You're looking at cannibalism within two weeks.
dan friesen
It's always a movie.
jordan holmes
It's always a movie.
dan friesen
And by the way, he's talking about the end result of nuclear war.
He said tens of millions dead, food chains disrupted.
Isn't that already supposed to be happening?
jordan holmes
I mean, that happened during COVID.
dan friesen
Isn't that what the COVID vaccine was going to do?
We're already there.
What are you talking about?
jordan holmes
I have no idea.
dan friesen
Yeah.
The tens of millions of bodies that were promised by Alex's conspiracies never materialized, and the disruptions of the food chain, a lot of them ultimately had to do with Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
Yeah.
And they weren't as severe as Alex's conspiracies led us to believe.
But we're supposed to already be there.
Why do you even need a nuclear war?
jordan holmes
I don't know.
I mean, I'm really going to say this, and it kind of boggles my mind.
That we're not all in agreement on this.
Nuclear war is good for no one.
dan friesen
None.
jordan holmes
There are zero people who benefit from not having the sun anymore.
dan friesen
Nuclear war.
What is it good for?
jordan holmes
Absolutely nothing.
dan friesen
Say it again.
unidentified
War.
Nuclear war.
jordan holmes
But it is like...
It does seem so silly to me that we can't all just be like, hey, listen, seriously, no one's gonna be better off for this.
Let's just get rid of these for a while.
dan friesen
Yeah, it would be a good thing to do.
So Alex has a guest.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And this is a guest who is very slick.
And I think he's maneuvering exactly how he's supposed to.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And yet...
Alex cannot pronounce his name.
alex jones
I've talked to a lot of insiders.
They say Trump is strongly considering him for the vice president, which is a really smart move on so many fronts.
We'll briefly speak about that coming up, but I was just asking Vivek during the break.
Oh God, it's not him.
What he thinks is front and center.
dan friesen
Alex has found a new way to mispronounce his name.
It's Vivek.
It rhymes with cake.
jordan holmes
Vivek.
It rhymes with...
dan friesen
Stop it!
His name is Vivek!
He's been clear about this!
jordan holmes
I appreciate that because it is one of those subtle reminders that Vivek will never be an equal in Alex's eyes.
He will always not give a shit enough about you to get your name wrong.
dan friesen
Counterpoint.
The fact that Alex is mispronouncing it in a new way means he's trying.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
This implies that someone told him he's mispronouncing the first name, and he's come up with a new one.
jordan holmes
All right, let's give it a shot.
dan friesen
So, I don't know.
Anyway.
jordan holmes
I like that.
I like that.
What if that...
Is that a pre-agreed method of dealing with...
Hey, listen.
Here's what happens.
If I'm pronouncing somebody's name wrong, tell me, but don't correct my pronunciation.
Let me give it another go.
dan friesen
Let me assume.
jordan holmes
Let's just keep on rolling.
dan friesen
Don't just empower me to come up with pronunciations.
jordan holmes
Exactly, yeah.
dan friesen
So Vivek is on, and he's making some complaints about BlackRock and asset management firms.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And then this takes a twist you couldn't possibly imagine.
vivek ramaswamy
But the real threats we face to our liberty today aren't just coming through the front door of big government.
unidentified
They're coming through a new hybrid of big government and big business.
vivek ramaswamy
That together are far more powerful than either one alone.
Where the government is delegating its political authority to not just three-letter agencies, but those three-letter agencies are then delegating their political power to private actors.
Like tech companies that censor speech through the back door that the government couldn't censor through the front door.
jordan holmes
Like banks and financial institutions.
vivek ramaswamy
Asset managers like BlackRock that vote for policies fighting climate change.
alex jones
And Vivek, how do we stop that?
vivek ramaswamy
So one of the ways we stop that is, first of all, a lot of the money propping this up is coming from the government.
unidentified
So a lot of what the state attorneys general are doing are steps in the right direction.
One of the ways, Alex, is through competition.
vivek ramaswamy
The company that I started before I actually ran for president is called Strive that competes directly against BlackRock and State Street and Vanguard by offering investment products that are the same kinds of investment products that don't vote for woke policies.
unidentified
They vote for what maximizes profit and product value.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
For customers and for shareholders.
dan friesen
A little too clear on your agenda here, Vivek.
jordan holmes
Boy, sometimes when a man has practiced a speech enough, it doesn't sound natural.
dan friesen
Yeah.
No, I mean, he's good.
He's good at this stuff, but I mean, this is a little transparent.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
You don't really have opposition to BlackRock or whatever.
You're branding this stuff as woke and then pitching yourself as the non-woke alternative.
Yeah.
Great, great.
unidentified
I mean, it's completely bizarre.
dan friesen
He's like, you know what the answer is?
unidentified
My non-woven asset management company.
jordan holmes
When is that not the answer is a question that you should really be.
dan friesen
But people don't usually say it.
jordan holmes
It's really unusual.
unidentified
Saying it is what's bizarre.
jordan holmes
Also, you know where you're saying this, right?
Who are you saying this to?
Also, what business...
Could not be improved by not going woke.
dan friesen
There's too many negatives in there.
unidentified
I don't understand.
dan friesen
I couldn't follow the sentence.
jordan holmes
All right.
Here's my new thing.
I'm sick of real estate companies.
Building things with woke policies.
So I'm going to start an anti-woke real estate company.
dan friesen
What, like fire alarms?
jordan holmes
Sure.
I'm against them.
dan friesen
Zoning code?
jordan holmes
I mean, we have to have those things, but I'll tell you that I'm against them.
dan friesen
All these damn woke building regulations.
jordan holmes
Woke buildings.
dan friesen
You need a staircase to be a certain width.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
You need a fire exit.
That's fucking woke shit.
jordan holmes
What are you doing?
If the elevator's on fire, you die.
dan friesen
Right?
jordan holmes
That's the tagline for the real safety.
If the elevator's on fire, you're dead.
dan friesen
How woke is it that they have, like, emergency call buttons in an elevator?
Fucking woke.
jordan holmes
Oh my god, you should have to shit in the corner like the rest of us!
dan friesen
Right.
So Vivek has a warning here.
jordan holmes
To whom?
dan friesen
To the world.
jordan holmes
Ooh, the whole world?
dan friesen
Yeah, I guess.
unidentified
Part of what's happening is you have a neocon establishment.
vivek ramaswamy
In the Republican Party, in the neoliberal establishment, the Democratic Party, that effectively have been rooting for a war with Iran for a very long time.
unidentified
For three decades or more, these people have been wanting to bomb Iran.
vivek ramaswamy
And I think they're just looking for an excuse to actually do it.
unidentified
I think this could be a disaster, actually, for the United States.
We cannot fall into the strap of a preemptive strike at a moment where that doesn't advance our interests.
We have to stand for our own troops and our own national interests.
vivek ramaswamy
But that's a separate question from whether we want a preemptive strike on Iran.
jordan holmes
Anybody heard of a super EMP attack?
unidentified
If you haven't, you should look it up.
An electromagnetic pulse attack.
vivek ramaswamy
Iran, other countries have a capability.
Do we actually want to be in a situation where other adversaries have the power to take out our electric grid in a matter of days?
unidentified
Could be in a position to actually do so.
jordan holmes
No, that's not the place we want to go.
dan friesen
So you see in this clip a really good example of how nothing means anything on Infowars.
jordan holmes
I was going to say, yeah.
dan friesen
When you have people like Klaus Schwab or someone in Biden's administration come out and say that there are threats to the power grid and an attack on it could be something that hostile actors are considering.
That's proof that they themselves are planning to do that attack as a false flag.
They're only bringing it up as a possible threat so the public's familiar with the idea by the time they decide to do it, so they have an enemy to point at.
But when Vivek does the exact same thing, it's astute political analysis.
We shouldn't go to war with Iran because they can take out the power grid with a super EMP.
If this were someone Alex didn't like saying it, he probably would cover it as them admitting their plans to attack the power grid.
But since it's Vivek...
That doesn't happen.
This dynamic exists because Alex isn't serious about his accusations that people are revealing their plans and priming you for false flags.
That shit doesn't mean anything to him, but it's a super effective way to keep the audience engaged and scared so he pulls that trick out whenever he can.
But not when it's people like Vivek doing it, then it's not predictive programming at all.
He's not working with the devil.
Only the devil people do that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
And this whole thing about, you mentioned earlier that Trump's considering for VP and that's great.
And it's so funny because Alex is still kind of on the same tip where he's like, you know, they'll never kill Trump if you're there.
He's a shield.
That's basically what he is.
jordan holmes
Yep, yep, yep.
dan friesen
You're so crazy that they would never risk you becoming president.
jordan holmes
Yeah, the deep state is like, god damn it.
We have to support Trump because Vivek might...
Destroy all meaning behind language.
I can't stand listening to him talk.
dan friesen
It's tough.
jordan holmes
He hates words.
dan friesen
I think what you hate is that there's that competence there.
That media readiness.
You don't see that in a ton of people that Alex associates with.
jordan holmes
But it's also a media readiness that is tinged with a condescending self-awareness that I hate so much.
dan friesen
Because it is a man who's watched enough I don't think he's going to be the VP I've joked about this,
and I'm not sure if I said this on the show, but the two paths that I see for him are becoming a major figure in the Trump media ecosystem, or becoming vice president and murdering Trump himself.
jordan holmes
It would be amazing.
dan friesen
Because the lack of anything I feel about his actual character and his person makes me think that this is such ambition that he has.
He has such naked ambition that getting in the VP spot might be the most dangerous thing for Trump.
jordan holmes
And I'll tell you this.
dan friesen
And here's what I'll tell you.
jordan holmes
And Trump doesn't want to be a fascist dictator.
He wants to be rich and famous, you know?
dan friesen
And free of consequences.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
He doesn't want to go through the business of like, oh, I'm going to oppress these people.
He wants that to happen without him knowing.
dan friesen
Good fascist dictators, it's a 9 to 5. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
He's a hands-off guy.
He's no de Gaulle, all right?
Vivek could de Gaulle it.
And the right wing, there's no better way to become a dictator of the United States than to assassinate the president and take over as the VP?
That's fucking movie shit right there.
dan friesen
Especially if you set it up where you do it, where you invite Klaus Schwab for a meeting, so you pin it on him somehow.
jordan holmes
Oh my god, yes.
dan friesen
And I feel like if anybody can pull it off, it's this Vivek.
jordan holmes
I mean, he's got it in his heart.
unidentified
Let's put it that way.
jordan holmes
He's got terrifying things in his heart.
dan friesen
He chills me a little bit more than some of these other folks.
So there's just so much news to cover after the vague leaves.
So, so much.
So we better make time for stupid racist bullshit.
alex jones
Well, we've got so much to cover today.
But again, toll-free number.
I'll give it out.
Start of the next segment.
And we'll take several hours of calls interspersed with all of this critical news and information.
But first, this very important piece of information.
unidentified
Oh, hello!
Oh, my God!
alex jones
This is still happening.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
That is...
That was...
Very unexpected for me.
That was very unexpected.
That is like, if you imagine in the morning, you know, I'm of a certain age now, so say around 5.30, I'm in the bathroom, I get up, my eyes are all groggy, I open the door, and then BAM!
It's a racist caricature.
unidentified
That's about how it felt, yes.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's a little strange, you know, the way that there's this bit.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
That he's still doing.
It wasn't good on day one.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
And it's still not good now.
He must really enjoy it.
jordan holmes
I remember in the 90s, 90s SNL, growing up, that was my era.
You know, everybody's era of whenever SNL didn't suck was whenever they were a kid.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
And everybody else's era is it always sucked.
But I remember Adam Sandler and Chris Farley doing this weird beer commercial that was tinged with all kinds of gay panic around it.
Just like, hey, look at these hot guys.
Whoa!
That's the whole joke.
Imagine if they did that every year up until 2024.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And you're like...
Really?
dan friesen
That's the exact thing that it hit with me.
It's like you see a comic years later and they're still into that bit.
unidentified
Wow!
dan friesen
That's a choice.
unidentified
Can't believe it.
dan friesen
Huh?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, there's no aspect of personal growth on Alex's part.
He doesn't recognize that this is ridiculously racist.
Yeah.
So...
Why would he stop?
But the problem that I see more functionally is that it's also just not funny.
He's trying to be funny, and it's not funny.
Even you take the racism out of it, it's still not funny.
It's a poorly constructed bit.
It's a dumb character.
It's a bad voice.
jordan holmes
My theory?
I think he just has fun doing it.
dan friesen
I think that's part of it, and I think around the office it must kill.
Or people are just afraid.
Like, Alex, he gives me...
Big energy of someone who needs people to think he's funny.
jordan holmes
See, now that's De Gaulle energy right there.
dan friesen
And so I bet around the office people are afraid to be like, this sucks.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And people are just like, ha, ha, ha, ha.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he does.
dan friesen
So funny.
I love that Chinese voice you're doing.
That's so funny.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
You think I'm funny, right?
Oh, totally.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
That character you do is great.
jordan holmes
Oh, so funny.
dan friesen
So Alex gets back from his racist comedy.
Sure.
And he starts complaining about the E. Jean Carroll judgment.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
So she just won a judgment for defamation against Trump.
$83 million, is that right?
jordan holmes
Something like that, yeah.
dan friesen
And so Alex talks about this a little bit, and I think he's flirting with trying to get himself sued.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But also, he cannot resist.
Whenever he talks about anything in this arena, anything to do with courts, he cannot stop talking about himself.
alex jones
Also, I'd like to get your take on...
I've got a bunch of clips on the crazy lady that couldn't even say what year Trump supposedly assaulted her so he couldn't have an alibi, and no evidence 25 years later.
And then he says, I'm innocent, so there's no criminal charges because they couldn't get criminal charges.
There's no evidence.
So he's found guilty of defamation by a kangaroo court where the judge says he's guilty.
He says he's innocent.
She sues again and gets $83 million.
And now she's on TV bragging saying, we're going to buy penthouses and go shopping.
It's so much fun.
I mean, she is just a famous loon.
And it's so dangerous that they weaponize these blue jurisdictions to this point.
I've experienced it myself.
Where a judge finds you guilty, the news doesn't pick up on that.
They have a show trial, and they tell the jury this person's guilty, and then they put on fake evidence and don't let you put on evidence, or they're going to sanction or disbar your lawyers, and they're trying to disbar my lawyer in Connecticut, they're trying to disbar the lawyer in Texas, and they fine them both massive amounts of money.
People say, why don't their lawyers talk?
They did talk a little and got sanctioned.
dan friesen
Norm talked plenty.
jordan holmes
Boy, I was there whenever Ray Nall talked, and I...
dan friesen
He talked a bit.
jordan holmes
Even he regretted some of the things he said.
dan friesen
Yeah.
But it's fascinating how Alex can't resist making everything about himself and his own feelings of persecution.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's trying to complain about and defame E. Jean Carroll, the woman who successfully sued Trump for sexual abuse and then defamation, but in the middle of it, he remembers that he has a personal talking point about the courts and he just launches off into his Sandy Hook script.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
It's really narcissistic behavior.
Also, Alex is just lying about Carroll.
She specified when the abuse took place.
There was a jury in the case, and I guess just any result Alex doesn't like is a kangaroo court.
If it goes the way he doesn't want, kangaroo.
Trump didn't say that, just like he was innocent, he constantly attacked her, leading his followers to harass her because she wouldn't be quiet about how Trump had attacked her.
Also, she made a joke about buying Rachel Maddow a penthouse.
That's what happened.
She was making some jokes.
And Alex is like, oh, this is crazy.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
It's a bunch of bullshit.
But what do you expect?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Not a whole lot of deeper analysis of this.
Instead, Alex decides like, oh, wait.
I gotta talk about myself.
You know, he started off into that, like, my persecution by the Sandy Hook courts.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And he just decides to keep talking about himself.
jordan holmes
Sure, well, I mean, he's great.
dan friesen
Yeah, and the most important thing in the world.
jordan holmes
Nobody, nobody.
alex jones
I mean, let me tell you something.
I had a divorce and a custody battle.
That was highly publicized in the last 10 years, the first three of that.
And the old Travis County judges were all Democrats.
But man, they weighed the evidence and they were like super hardworking and like all over my ass and then gave me my kids.
And even when The lawyers on the other side of my custody battle did a bunch of corrupt stuff and a bunch of deception, a bunch of lying.
The Democrat liberal woman judge, who retired right after that, Judge Naranjo, Native American lady, really smart lady.
jordan holmes
I hate him so much.
alex jones
She said, I'm not going to set aside the jury verdict, but if everything isn't done just right in this, custody goes back to him, which it did.
So I watched judges when it was the right thing to do.
Bend over backwards for me.
And they were Democrats.
Now, and I'm only telling the story because it's not about me.
It's about what's happened in this country.
dan friesen
It's about you.
alex jones
Now, every judge is a woman.
I don't care if it's a woman, but it's a good judge.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry?
alex jones
Every judge is new.
Every judge retired.
All 30-something.
And all of them are new.
And they go from blue-haired Antifa ladies, like my judge.
What?
unidentified
To...
alex jones
People almost as bad.
dan friesen
All that's going on here is that Alex thinks the court used to be good because in the past he won a case.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's the definition of a good court to Alex.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
Do they agree with me?
It's an axiomatic truth that Alex is always right.
So all the proof you need that a court is corrupt is if they find against him.
If they back him up and go his way, that's a great court doing good work.
But if anything goes wrong and they don't cater to him exactly, well, there has to be a setup involved because Alex is always right.
This sounds dumb because it is, but it's how Alex operates.
He can't be wrong because that's impossible.
God gave him all these gifts of wisdom and discernment, and he's a pious mastermind.
So anyone who would dare threaten that image is clear.
jordan holmes
It is so much like that refrain for him almost of like the laziness inherent of a malignant narcissist is just like I am always me.
Doing me things.
dan friesen
And I never have to change.
jordan holmes
I never have to change.
I never have to think about it.
I never have to alter any of my behavior.
Everyone else is judged based upon how they react to me being the best.
And it is like, wow.
dan friesen
I think it can be a scary and threatening thing to recognize that you can be convinced that you're right and be wrong.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because it calls into question all the times that you've said anything.
Were you wrong all those times, too?
jordan holmes
Sure.
Yeah.
dan friesen
And for someone who doesn't want to open up that box and, you know, look at that and wrestle with those feelings, it's safer just to pretend you're always right.
And that's kind of what Alex does.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, but look, man.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Alex says that all these judges are corrupt.
I'm not listening.
Now, Alex tells me that he secretly overheard a bunch of other people say that.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
My ears perk up for a very real story.
jordan holmes
Okay.
unidentified
Let's hear it.
alex jones
And I talked to Democrats, and I talked to lawyers, and I was sitting there in a Kirby lane about two months ago.
At like 8 a.m., my daughter wanted to go eat food there.
It's like a cafe, breakfast place.
dan friesen
A lot of details.
alex jones
They had a little playground where she could play while she waited for the food.
So I took her there.
My wife was out of town.
dan friesen
More details.
alex jones
I sat behind this group of six lawyers, three women, three men.
dan friesen
More details.
alex jones
They were middle-aged lawyers, but their kids were out there playing too.
They didn't know I was sitting behind them because I came in after them.
And they were like, Judge Guerra Gamble's totally insane and follows none of the law and doesn't even read the cases and is just rude and hateful to everyone.
It's completely nuts.
She's rude and hateful.
And I'm sitting there and I go, yeah, I'm Alex Jones.
And they go, oh, Alex Jones, we know your case.
Yeah, you got the fault, even though you gave them all the evidence.
No, she does that to everybody now.
She doesn't even care.
jordan holmes
This is the most real story I've ever heard.
dan friesen
This is so real.
jordan holmes
This is the most real, real story I've ever heard in my entire life.
Those people, I bet they have names and birth certificates and were from the reality.
dan friesen
And man, they sound just like Alex.
jordan holmes
They sound absurdly like Alex.
Almost as if everybody who is...
Competent and good at their job says exactly what Alex does.
dan friesen
See, now this is a fun way that Alex, if he wants to, could maybe work around some potential defamation things in the future.
Just pretend that he overheard other people saying shit.
jordan holmes
He was all lawyers.
I overheard...
dan friesen
I was at the Denny's.
It was 4.30 in the afternoon.
My child had wanted to go because...
I can't even fucking add fake details as well as he can.
jordan holmes
What are we talking about?
dan friesen
Such details.
jordan holmes
Yeah, when you're lying and you've really practiced a lot at it, somehow you've never gotten better.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Well, I mean, it's what kids do.
You add a lot of details to make it big.
Well, there's no way you could possibly be making all of this up.
jordan holmes
Who would make all of this up?
You would.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You would.
dan friesen
So, speaking of making things up.
jordan holmes
Yep.
alex jones
I mean, look, they're so crazy.
dan friesen
The left.
alex jones
I can't even describe to you how crazy they are.
Like, it won't even sound real.
And that's what I'm telling you is the Democratic Party is like a group of mentally ill people now.
They are...
jordan holmes
Now.
alex jones
Absolutely insane.
unidentified
And...
alex jones
This happens in a corruption.
This happens in the fall of a society.
Because you've got some corrupt people and some double dealers.
But there's only a few of them.
And then things get more corrupt.
They promote more corrupt people.
And the norm becomes greater and greater.
And they get away with more and more and more.
To the point of every day I see videos from Portland and New York and Chicago and Austin.
I don't even show you these videos.
jordan holmes
Thank you.
alex jones
And it's liberal men and women.
unidentified
Liberal.
alex jones
In business suits, pulling their pants down and pooping in front of schools, or climbing up on top of a bus and peeing on the window, or peeing in the water fountain, and you go.
Some are crazy people, homeless people, some are like, and then even Portland.
Well, it's fun to poop!
This is part of our culture's pooping!
I mean, they're just like, they're degenerates.
And you sit there and you think, oh, well, we're cherry-picking this.
No, ladies and gentlemen, they don't.
They don't care if they get caught.
dan friesen
They don't care.
jordan holmes
They don't even know what that means.
dan friesen
I just picture the entire cast of the Adjustment Bureau.
All of them in the suits and hats showing up in front of us.
jordan holmes
We love pooping!
dan friesen
Pooping in front of a school.
jordan holmes
Pooping is part of our culture.
dan friesen
I don't know why I went with the Adjustment Bureau.
jordan holmes
Because of the hats, right?
dan friesen
I think it was the hats.
jordan holmes
I think it was the hats, yeah.
dan friesen
But Alex didn't even bring up hats.
I just imagined this person in a hat.
jordan holmes
Business suits takes you to business hats.
dan friesen
The other alternative that I thought of in my mind was the Watcher guy from Fringe.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
The guy who's observing everything.
jordan holmes
I can see that.
dan friesen
That guy shitting in front of a school.
jordan holmes
The Stephen King Watcher guys from the Infinite Universe thing that he does.
Yeah, I can see that.
dan friesen
Don't you tell anybody that I watched Fringe.
jordan holmes
I watched all of Fringe.
It was great.
I love Fringe.
Sure.
What was it?
What was I about to...
Eh, who cares.
dan friesen
So you think Alex has all these videos?
jordan holmes
Oh, that's right!
That's right!
I want to say this.
I want to say this.
Why would you care if you got caught if literally your culture is I dress in a business suit and then poop in front of schools?
dan friesen
Well, I think...
jordan holmes
How could you not get caught doing that?
dan friesen
I think that Alex lost track of the business suit detail pretty fast.
jordan holmes
Actually, I think you did lose that one.
unidentified
I don't know.
dan friesen
I wonder what...
Like, I didn't...
Do a lot of looking into this.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
But I wonder what this is based on.
Like, is there a video of someone in a business suit shitting in front of a school and Alex has turned it into an epidemic?
jordan holmes
What do you see?
Because if he's saying it and he's saying that he sees the video, now I have to graphically create it in my mind.
What do you see?
Because I see...
Do you see a squat?
Or do you see a literal flat bent over?
dan friesen
No, squat.
jordan holmes
You see a squat?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Okay.
See, because I see an almost alien-like behavior, like an Invasion of the Pod people-like thing, where it's uncannily almost like what a human would do, but it's a little bit off.
That's my thinking.
Business suit poopers.
dan friesen
I mean, I lived through the early 2000s.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And so I would say that back then we had a much bigger cultural issue with bodily functions.
Jackass?
Sure.
Like, it involved shitting on things.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And what have you.
jordan holmes
We had the fear factor, which was all about what you could cram in your gullet.
dan friesen
Yeah, scatological and urinological.
But, like, there was a culture that was very friendly to peeing on stuff and what have you.
I don't know.
This doesn't resonate with me, what Alex is saying.
jordan holmes
I just don't think I can.
Here's the problem.
I don't think even if I'm on Alex's team, I don't think I can get it up for the idea of a guy...
dan friesen
I think Alex is just trying to create the image of urban chaos.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Because his audience largely doesn't live in cities.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
And so it terrifies them of what's going on in the degenerate, godless urban areas.
jordan holmes
See, because now I imagine a man surfing and peeing on a CTA bus, and I...
I can't believe that Chicago people wouldn't at least be like, two's up to you, mate.
dan friesen
So this next clip is, I'm going to give a trigger warning, a content warning for this.
Pretty bigoted about LGBTQ folk.
And further, you know, involves some Alex saying gross shit about crimes against children.
So if that upsets you, understandable.
And so skip this clip.
But here is Alex being a real shithead.
alex jones
And then I've got clips that I'll get to next hour of the major, richest school district in Rhode Island.
And it's made big news, and I put it out on X, and it went viral.
And people are saying, wow, you know, the school board says we're not going to let parents know when their kids are LGBTQP, transgender.
Because parents have no authority over their children.
Everybody gets so upset.
That's official policy all over the country.
They create files on your children in elementary.
They convince them for prizes and toys to say they're another sex.
Then they secretly put them in a file with lawyers and social workers and prepare for the process by the time they're 10 or 11 if the parents don't agree to take them and put them in a weird government pedophile halfway house that five Democrat states have passed laws.
To now take children and under the law in places like Oregon and Washington, they don't even tell you where your child went.
You think they're kidnapped.
The police come and have a fake interview about where your daughter or son is and they're in a pedophile warehouse.
jordan holmes
The police have a fake interview?
alex jones
Being raped.
And it turns out in this district in Rhode Island, they got a bunch of cases of the teachers molesting the kids.
Of course they do.
They're creating pedophile sanctuaries.
And that sounds so horrible, but that's the reality that we have produced this much evil.
dan friesen
So the underlying story here is that a school board member in Rhode Island voiced a belief that it may not be good to inform parents if a student comes out at school.
This is a matter of respecting the privacy of the student and respecting the potential safety concerns the student might face at home.
You have no idea what their living situation might be like.
You could be endangering them by doing that.
The rest of that, what Alex is doing, is grotesque.
There are practical reasons.
Reasons like not knowing if it would be safe to do that.
And there's a stigma issue where if you do that, you're treating their sexuality or gender as if it's a disease that you have a duty to inform about.
These are concerns that intersect with creating a world that's safer for LGBTQ, which is the opposite of what Alex wants.
He wants gay bashing to come back.
He wants non-heterosexual public displays of affection to be banned.
He wants trans people to not be able to exist in public, and then, if he gets his way, even in private.
He wants people who don't conform to traditional gender norms to be treated like shit.
Alex wants all this stuff, and schools respecting student privacy runs counter to that.
So in order to fight back against this thing that's very sensible and understandable, he has to create a ridiculous, over-the-top evil plot that's supposedly what this secretly is about.
It's not about respecting student privacy and safety, it's about grooming the children so they can be kidnapped and held at a pedophile warehouse.
In that clip, not only does Alex lay out a disgusting scenario that he can't back up at all, he does a couple of other important things to note.
First, he essentially invalidates trans existence by saying that students are given prizes and toys to say they're another sex.
Anyone who says that they're trans or non-binary isn't actually.
They're just tricked into this by teachers with toys and prizes.
If you delegitimize a person's identity like this, you make it acceptable and possibly noble to do anything in your power to free them from that delusion, So things like conversion therapy become totally normal ideas, even though they're Mm-hmm.
Next, Alex attacks the idea of the state caring at all about whether or not a parent abuses their LGBTQ child.
Let's say you're in a scenario where you have a trans child and you're not accepting of it to the point where you're abusive.
Maybe it's harsh verbal harassment, destroying their property that doesn't align with how you want them to be, or even violence directed toward them when they don't present how you want them to.
In that scenario, that child needs help, and the only place that's going to come from is outside the house.
Likely, the police or child protective services are...
You know, those are candidates.
Alex doesn't want that.
He wants that child to be forced to live in that state because he believes eventually it will work and they'll come out...
normal by his definition.
Thus, any interaction with the state that intersects with the parent abusing their LGBTQ child is redefined here as the state wanting to kidnap that child and take them to this warehouse.
This stuff is grotesque and hateful and disconnected from reality, but in situations like this, it's important to recognize where the narratives actually connect to reality.
Alex isn't saying this stuff for no reason.
Like, one part of it is just spouting sensational bigot narratives to scare his audience, but another is to further actual goals.
The goals here are delegitimizing LGBTQ identity as a thing and working to leave LGBTQ youth Yep.
Those are the touch points where this intersects with the real world.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah, it feels like...
jordan holmes
What would I say?
It feels like they're talking about the Underground Railroad at this point, if that makes sense.
You know what I'm saying?
When a school board member says you shouldn't inform your parents, that's like saying, hey, listen, here's where the stop on the Underground Railroad is.
Slave owners aren't going to be happy.
They're going to try and fuck up that stop.
So when you tell people exactly what's going on, these people are going to react like that.
dan friesen
Well, schools...
They have a responsibility to teach, and that is a process that involves the school and the student, and either party can not cooperate, and that's a negative experience.
So when you have a student, let's say, who comes out to a teacher because they feel in a safe environment, if that teacher turns around and tells their parents, who maybe are opposed to their child, Yep.
Being LGBTQ, you end up in a situation where that student's never going to trust the school ever again.
They're going to be disconnected from education.
It's going to have rippling effects that are incredibly negative.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you might wind up like me.
dan friesen
So we get off that awful note and come back to reality with Alex Jones using a primary source the way only he can.
alex jones
But I'm going to intersperse.
A lot of breaking news and information.
More mainstream media is being forced to report that the CIA ran around and threatened, but then also paid off journalists during the whole COVID operation.
Trump was not aware of this, obviously.
They were working against him as well.
But it expanded under Biden.
Yes, you're up against the CIA.
jordan holmes
So is he aware of it?
alex jones
Big deal.
It's not like the movies, folks.
They're a bunch of criminals that are leftists.
They go to college to attack this country, and they're put in these positions of power.
People think of the CIA as like the Green Berets that actually go out on real missions.
That's like 1% of what they do.
They undermine.
They promote transgenderism.
They promote child pornography.
They promote devil worship.
They promote weakening the country so they can control it.
They are the outside force set up in 1947 under the national security system to destroy the nation.
And I'm not even saying everybody in that system is bad.
It's just like the FBI or any of it.
But it's totally weaponized against the people now.
How the CIA paid and threatened journalists to do its work.
Big article now.
Even out of the Daily Beast, the liberals are reporting on it.
dan friesen
Oh, shit.
jordan holmes
The liberals are reporting on it.
dan friesen
That's some breaking news.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
Or, this is an article that was published in the Daily Beast in October 2017, years before COVID even exists.
jordan holmes
I was expecting that.
dan friesen
Seems like Alex just kind of skimmed an old headline and decided to write himself a little fun story.
jordan holmes
It is a fun story.
dan friesen
It is a fun story, since it gets to make him seem like a brave, strong boy standing up to the CIA, but it's all shit.
All of that stuff is made up.
About, like, it expanded under Biden, Trump didn't know about it.
All that is stuff that he's made up in his head.
And guess what?
This article isn't an article.
It's an ad.
It's very clearly labeled as a paid post promoting the release of the movie Jack Reacher Never Go Back.
jordan holmes
No.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
Yes!
jordan holmes
No.
unidentified
Yes!
jordan holmes
Dan?
dan friesen
Yep.
So, Alex's primary source he's using here is an over six-year-old ad in the Daily Beast.
I can't imagine how someone recognizing how Alex uses primary sources like this could ever retain any faith in his ability to assess information, be a purveyor of information.
It's ridiculous.
This is cartoon shit.
jordan holmes
It is nice to know.
Here's what you've definitively proven.
Because you can never know for sure.
Knowing things for sure is always a dicey proposition.
Because what if while I was sleeping, somebody...
It could always happen.
I'm not always conscious.
You've proven I'm not a Hulk.
dan friesen
That would have hulked you?
jordan holmes
That would have hulked me, for sure.
For sure I would have been hulked.
dan friesen
Well, but it also definitively proves that Alex doesn't read any of this shit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, that's definitely true.
dan friesen
It would be literally impossible to even take a cursory glance at this Daily Beast article and not be like, oh, this is an ad for the Jack Reacher movie.
jordan holmes
If it says Jack Reacher, it's not real.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Unless it's an ad.
dan friesen
If Alex wants to talk about CIA involvement and media stuff and things like that, there are sources he can go to.
He doesn't need a 2017 ad for a fucking Tom Cruise movie.
Ridiculous.
jordan holmes
Ironic.
Ironic.
You know, have you seen the Jack Reacher TV series?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Have you seen the movies?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Well, I'll tell you this.
It turns out, because I watched the TV series, my wife did, Right.
Jack Reacher is like a cartoon.
He's like a child's version of himself as a hero.
dan friesen
I assume.
I assume it would be.
jordan holmes
I'm the largest.
I'm also the...
No, no, in the TV show.
It's like, I'm the largest guy.
I'm also the...
Like, there are zero weaknesses.
You know, it's like a perfect human being is playing on God mode.
And I found out that's how the books are like.
And then it was like, wait a second.
Tom Cruise played that guy.
Weird!
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
jordan holmes
Five foot four!
dan friesen
He looks bigger on film.
jordan holmes
Eh, that's true.
dan friesen
Because he's a big personality.
See, anyway, fuck it, Alex.
This is parody levels of mishandling sources.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, again, Hulk.
dan friesen
So fuck that.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Don't need news.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
Let's go to calls.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
We get a call.
Speaking of larger-than-life superheroes.
unidentified
All right.
alex jones
All right, let's go ahead and go to Thor in Texas.
unidentified
Thor.
jordan holmes
Thor!
alex jones
You're on the air.
unidentified
Hey, Alex, I think men need to take the positions that the women have taken over.
We have judges.
We have city councilwomen.
We have all these positions of power and influence that have been taken over by women.
And I'm not saying women are not bad.
I know a lot of women are probably going, man, shut up, dude.
jordan holmes
I think I'm going, man, shut up, dude.
unidentified
And they need to take these positions of power.
And I think in the political sense, I think that if you're going to take and accept Well I'll say this, I'll say this.
alex jones
The WEF, the New World Order, is putting women in charge to bring down civilization.
The type of woman they're choosing has a chip on their shoulder and is totally behind the globalists and will commit any crime you can imagine because they know epigenetically we think of a man as committing a crime.
We know that most violent crime is men, so we are weary of men.
So yeah, they're putting women in as the spokespersons and as the functionaries to carry out the tyranny.
There's no doubt of it.
I mean, every judge in Travis County...
They're elected, put in by George Soros, all the men and women removed before, and then they just put in a total cult of lunatics.
unidentified
Right.
And they should drug test these people.
They're probably pharmaceuticals, some kind of mood elevators.
alex jones
I don't think there's any choice.
I mean, I don't think there's any question about that.
dan friesen
So earlier, Alex was yelling about how all the judges are women now, and that's just because he's a misogynist and he's lashing out about how he had a female judge in his case.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
This caller, Thor, has taken on Alex's characterization and decided that women being judges is a problem and that men need to take these positions back.
jordan holmes
Shouldn't have that power.
dan friesen
But in reality, there are multiple male judges in Travis County.
jordan holmes
I mean, I don't know what to tell you.
dan friesen
Alex is just talking about the district civil courts, which have all female judges currently.
There's so many other courts, though, like the county courts, which both are male judges, or the associate courts, which have three out of four male judges.
Alex is taking his subjective experience and then reporting that to the audience's objective reality, in essence demanding that they take on his problems as the ones we need to fix.
It's a really manipulative form of projection And you can hear from Thor that it works.
He has no idea what he's talking about, but he's sure that we got to do something about all these women in the court who are also probably on drugs.
Neither he nor Alex would have any of these grievances if Alex hadn't had a female judge in the Sandy Hook case.
That is what is at issue here.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
The issue is I had a female judge and I lost a case and I'm mad about it and I'm putting her womanhood into the part of the equation and turning that into a misogynist conspiracy theory that Thor the Thunder God seems to resonate with pretty highly.
jordan holmes
Here's my problem with that.
That is not at all a sentence that couldn't be said in like 400 AD in Norway.
Like, that's legitimately a one-to-one sentence that could be said in 400 AD in Norway.
dan friesen
Counterpoint?
unidentified
Yeah?
dan friesen
They didn't have pharmaceuticals back then.
jordan holmes
I have a question for you.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
They took a lot of mushrooms.
Why?
dan friesen
Good save.
jordan holmes
Why?
Don't we give judges mood elevators?
I feel like we would all be in a better position if our judges were a little bit high and happier than normal.
dan friesen
I think if they need them, they should have them.
If not, let's not self-medicate judges.
jordan holmes
I think we should keep them all a little bit happier than usual.
dan friesen
So Alex gets another call, this time from Loki.
Just kidding.
unidentified
Oh, God.
dan friesen
That felt terrible.
jordan holmes
That's why it's so funny to me.
It felt like you just hurt yourself.
unidentified
I did.
dan friesen
I just stepped on a rake.
jordan holmes
That was a prep fall for sure.
dan friesen
So this caller brings up Greg Abbott, Governor Abbott, who last episode we heard was a big hero because he was fighting the federal government.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Is he a bad guy now?
unidentified
Oh, boy.
jordan holmes
Oh, things have changed.
alex jones
Anonymous in Texas on Abbott and the border.
Go ahead.
Thanks for calling.
unidentified
Hi, Alex.
Can you hear me?
alex jones
I can.
Go ahead.
unidentified
Okay.
So I wanted to add something that no one is talking about as far as Abbott is concerned.
I've heard, you know, you and Michael Yon discuss, is he weff, is he not?
And I'll tell you why I know he is.
Because I've been getting involved in the county level with our elections.
And it's all of Abbott's people at the county level who are fighting to keep the machines in our elections, to keep the ballots not marked, sequentially numbered.
And I've met these people and I've seen them face to face.
They are evil and they're trying to steal our.
Right to vote away from us.
And they're Abbott people.
And they are the ones who were behind the Kim Paxton thing, the impeachment.
alex jones
Well, it does look like Greg Abbott is definitely playing both sides.
I hear you.
And our reporters are down there now, and he's had a little bit of a barbed wire, and he's had a little bit of a fight with the feds.
He's got a bunch of states involved, but they're still in other areas other than Eagle Pass processing the illegals and handing them over to the feds.
So that's what I'm hearing from locals as well.
dan friesen
So, yeah.
Alex is a little bit more wishy-washy on Abbott now because the confrontation he was hoping for hasn't happened.
It was super exciting and caught fire as a possible inflection point to the point where Alex was advocating breaking up the United States, but it went days and nothing happened.
The feds didn't charge in.
The convoy looks like a dud.
The momentum that was propping up the positive feelings about Abbott has dissipated.
And mind you...
That's playing both sides where one side is the literal devil.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
You don't play both sides here.
jordan holmes
No, you play both sides with the literal devil.
God is cool with it.
God's like, hey, man.
dan friesen
If you play both sides with the literal devil, you're on the side of the devil and you're fucking with the other side.
jordan holmes
You're only on the side of the devil.
dan friesen
That's the only possibility.
I do still think the situation that we have has all the potentials for escalation.
Sure.
There are a lot of...
There's a lot of elements to the situation with the border, and particularly Eagle Pass, that have concern.
Just the dynamic between the State Guard and the federal government, I think, is problematic and a mess.
The fact that there is still antagonism towards people coming down to the border, whether it's this convoy or not, there are a lot of heated elements.
That lend themselves to be exploitable by folks.
I think that the sense that you get is that Alex thought and sensed that this was just prime.
And it might be not as prime for him.
Maybe it's not as exploitable because things got so hot for a minute and then cooled down.
And that's not the trajectory he needed it to go.
He needed an escalation.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean...
It's kind of a self-created issue for the right, is that they've only rewarded grifters, which means that they have no leaders.
They have no actual leaders.
So everybody, like Trump or Alex or everybody, is always complaining about things and looking for somebody else to do something about it.
dan friesen
Being in a grift does not preclude you from being a leader.
jordan holmes
No, it doesn't, but they don't have any leaders.
dan friesen
I think that some of them are in prison for January 6th.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, but that's kind of the issue there.
If you're trying to run a fascist dictatorship and you want your guy to run it...
Then this kind of seems like a great time for Trump to be like, let's go do this shit and take over the country.
That's a leader move, you know?
unidentified
True.
jordan holmes
Instead of being like, we'll see how this turns out.
And then Greg Abbott's like, we'll see how this turns out.
Or all the governors.
I don't want to piss people off, but I also don't want to do anything.
You know?
dan friesen
Yeah.
What I find more interesting in this, though, is just the shifting of, you know...
Good and bad.
Like, on the last episode, Alex was like, who can say what lies in the heart of Greg Abbott?
I don't know the man.
And then here he is, this caller being like, he's doing all this bad shit on the county level.
And that leads Alex to this.
alex jones
But here's a new clip of him being asked about the WEF, and he won't even denounce it when he knows it's been one of the hottest topics for years, even on Fox News.
This is pretty damning.
unidentified
Okay, I have one question.
Klaus Schwab of the World Economic Forum has bragged publicly about infiltrating governments and grooming political leaders.
Now, you know, he's for the Great Reset, pushing forward at the end of 2030, and he's pre-globalization.
Do you denounce the World Economic Forum of Klaus Schwab and the Great Reset?
dan friesen
I'm not a globalist.
unidentified
I'm a Texas person, an American first person.
I promote Texas and American.
jordan holmes
All right.
alex jones
We'll not denounce him.
dan friesen
Ooh, that's damning.
jordan holmes
Gotta denounce Klaus Schwab.
dan friesen
So this is essentially a loyalty test for lunatics?
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Like, Greg Abbott seriously sucks, but he appears at least he's not a part of the conspiracy bullshit world, because he would have no problem saying that if he was.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, nonsense fears about Klaus Schwab have been the hottest topic in that ecosystem, but for normal humans, this kind of just comes off as unhinged.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
No idea what you're talking about.
dan friesen
To announce the world economic...
unidentified
What?
dan friesen
I'm focused on Texas issues.
jordan holmes
It does feel like either he has no idea what the person's talking about, but it seems like he would know.
He would at least know.
He would at least know what was going on.
But that idea of, well, listen, I'm this guy, as opposed to just throwing off a toss-top.
Yeah, sure, fuck it.
I'll denounce him.
I don't understand why you wouldn't do that in this day and age.
There's no...
Downside to just being like, yeah, fuck it.
Denounce!
dan friesen
I think because Greg Abbott, for whatever, on some measure, takes himself seriously.
And that's not a serious thing to do.
Denouncing the World Economic Forum because of paranoid-esque conspiracy theories about the Great Reset.
That's not a serious person move.
jordan holmes
I would argue, I would argue strongly, based upon recent evidence, Being the governor of Texas is not a serious person thing to do.
dan friesen
Look, we had Rick Perry.
George W. So, fine.
This whole episode.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Looming in the background is the fact that Elon Musk has put a neural link into somebody.
jordan holmes
Right?
Right, right, right.
There's, well, I mean, they said he did.
dan friesen
So there's the promise of discussing this.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And it seems to keep getting sidetracked.
unidentified
Well.
dan friesen
And so here he was finally like, I'm going to get to it.
When I come back from this break, I'm going to get to it.
And he gets back from break.
And would you be surprised to learn he doesn't talk about it?
jordan holmes
That's shocking.
alex jones
All right.
Later in the hour, I'll get into Elon Musk and Neuralink and the big new developments there.
But I promise to go to your calls.
I'm going to race through your calls here in a moment.
But we have great IT people and great IT companies.
Despite all the hack attacks and all the brute force attacks and all the denial of service attacks and all the infiltration operations, We don't make a big deal about it because we're warriors.
We're in the fight.
We're here every day.
It's our job to just stay on air and cover the issues and not get distracted.
It has been years since I had the IT companies we use come to me and say, you need to talk about this on air.
jordan holmes
IT companies.
alex jones
So if you try to go to Infowars.com, you may see a quick security screen that comes up that says scanning to make sure you're not a bot before you get in.
jordan holmes
Scanning.
alex jones
As of this morning, in the last 24 hours, over a billion bots, not connections, bots, one bot might be sending a million people at us.
So we've had tens of billions, if not hundreds of billions, billions of bots attack us.
And we have some big companies that work with us.
We don't promote who they are, so they'll get attacked.
They said...
This morning, this is the biggest brute force attack they've ever seen, not just against their companies, but they've read about.
They said, listen, this was a multi-million dollar payment to do this.
dan friesen
Wow, this is pretty serious.
This is a big deal.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Wait, why?
unidentified
What?
jordan holmes
To take down Alex's name?
dan friesen
Like, it's held together by duct tape.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you need a couple of thousand people to click at the same time, and you're gone.
dan friesen
That, like, cyber security person, he's like, I'm not saying the name of the firm to protect them.
Why?
It's because it's your neighbor.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's some guy.
jordan holmes
Absurd.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Absurd.
dan friesen
It's a good way to not talk about the subject you were going to talk about, is to get lost in the weeds, rambling about how under attack you are.
The biggest ever.
They paid millions of dollars.
jordan holmes
I think what's funny about the...
dan friesen
I'm so important.
jordan holmes
What's funny about the Neuralink thing, right, is that there's no win for Alex, right?
Because the easiest argument against the Neuralink thing, the easiest argument for, like, don't worry about it, is nothing that Eli makes works.
It's all shit.
It's all garbage trash.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
So don't worry about it.
dan friesen
But that calls into question his geniusness.
jordan holmes
You shouldn't have made him a genius.
That's the problem.
dan friesen
Well, Alex does eventually get to this way later, and I don't have any clips of it because I didn't even really care.
But it was basically just like, hey, I don't want to have to get a chip.
Jesus Christ.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
The Wright brothers invented flying, and then we have bombs.
Good and bad.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
Yeah.
He punts until the fourth hour.
That is unreal.
And then I think it's too wishy-washy-ass answer.
jordan holmes
Unreal.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's very unsatisfying.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But, you know, since he's gotten off on this track of how he's so under attack, He has to puff out his chest a little bit.
alex jones
And people that work for the system think that I'm a coward like them, that when I step up to the plate and I get hit hard, that I think, oh my God, I better not go this direction.
And listen, I'm not the toughest guy around, but I am pig-headed like Trump.
And when somebody gets in my face and attacks me, I can't help it.
I remember growing up in Dallas, man.
And it might have been a 250-pound badass started a fight with me, and I couldn't run.
I couldn't back down.
unidentified
I want to apologize to Chobani.
alex jones
And at first, they'd start beating the living hell out of me.
But I'd black out, and they'd be going home in the ambulance.
Almost every time.
One time I took on Five Guys, they broke my leg.
They attacked me first, but they got me.
But the point is, is that I won almost all those fights.
jordan holmes
My name is Paul Ramir.
alex jones
And it's the same thing here.
dan friesen
I broke my leg eating at a Five Guys.
alex jones
And I've almost reached the level that what I'm doing on this show is I am blacked out, folks.
dan friesen
Yep.
unidentified
Sure.
alex jones
I'll use the analogy of Star Wars Episode 4 where Luke Skywalker is running the trance, everybody else has been killed, and the force tells him, turn off your computer, hit that target yourself.
And that's called blacking out, folks.
I am literally having computers turned off.
Nobody's telling me what to do with the Holy Spirit.
I am in the trench.
They're blowing up our ships all around us, and it's all about Jesus right now, and I'm going in against that reactor shaft, and I'm going to fire that torpedo.
dan friesen
So I do think that there's something to say for what Alex is calling blacking out on air.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
I think he's basically on autopilot.
That's definitely the case.
His non-engagement with any sources and just making shit up as he goes along really illustrates how true that is.
But to his point about being pig-headed about challenges, I would suggest that he's not.
As someone who's produced a show about him for almost 900 episodes, and someone who's in the deposition room with him in Texas, and as someone whose lawyer has directly complained about, I think that Alex doesn't rise to the occasion of challenges at all.
He's very happy to posture and rise to challenges when he thinks he can brute force his way through them.
Whether that means using actual violence or it means he can yell over someone in a chaotic debate setting.
But he's not actually able to rise to any challenge that involves information or his brain.
Anytime he's in a situation like that, he folds or tries to turn it into a physical confrontation.
When he was in that deposition setting, he tried to play dumb, but at When he was forced to participate in his damages trials, he tried to turn them into a fight to the extent he could.
Then he retreated outside the court.
who were outnumbered by his armed security.
That's why when he went on Piers Morgan's show turned into a fight.
That's why when he tried to turn that interview with Andrew Neal on the BBC into a fight.
He knows how to handle himself in that territory, and he knows that everywhere else he's useless.
So you don't rise to challenges, you just, bah, yell at stuff.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, who knows?
I'm sure he doesn't have great technique, if that's what you're saying.
Like, I'm sure it's a lot of flailing.
jordan holmes
No, I mean, I strongly doubt he's been in many, if any, fights at all.
He's just got that type of, like, as long as you're big enough, people don't fight you.
That's that kind of simple thing.
dan friesen
Yeah, that may be.
I think it would be funny if it did turn out that he's all puffed out and then just give a little pop on the nose and he runs away.
jordan holmes
I bet he would cry and call his mom and dad.
dan friesen
I'm like a shark that way.
So Alex, he's just killing time.
alex jones
Sure.
dan friesen
He doesn't want to talk about anything.
alex jones
My heart he needs is doing what God says.
And I love being persecuted.
I love being attacked because it means I'm over the target.
And again.
Both my grandfathers were in World War II.
They never talked about what happened in World War II until after they died.
We got to dig into their stuff and see it.
And my mom's dad was only on a few missions.
Thank God he already got killed as a fighter pilot in World War II.
And crash-landed and broke a bunch of bones, and he was out of the war.
But the other one did more missions than he was told to do out of North Africa.
jordan holmes
And do more than you're told to do.
alex jones
And then was there for four years.
jordan holmes
How do you do more than you're told to do?
alex jones
And he told my dad a little bit about when he died.
We got all his documents and all his medals and all his stuff.
And man, the letters about, we see the flack.
We're going into it.
Those are the targets.
We're going to hit it.
You know, Billy, best buddy, just died.
His plane just blew up.
And man, there is something about that.
Like, we're going in.
We're not running away from the attacks.
We're flying into the attack because we got something to deliver and God said deliver it.
And I'm going to deliver more payloads.
The reason I volunteered for more missions is we have slayed the enemy.
We have destroyed them.
We have wrecked them.
God has given me nothing but victory.
And the idea now, when I've been given nothing but victory, that I won't continue the missions and I won't continue hammering them, but I can't do it without you.
God's given me the intellect and God's given me the will.
And God's given me the capacity to do this, but I can't do it without you.
And I sit here and think about all the heavy subjects.
And I'm up here begging, oh, buy my t-shirt.
Oh, please buy my supplement.
Please get my water.
I don't want to be doing that.
You need all this stuff.
It's all excellent.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
All right.
Well, I mean, you kind of knew that's where all this was going.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
I'm just saying, like, I had hoped.
I hadn't hoped, but it was possible that I would.
I was kidnapped in my sleep and then given a Hulk serum of some sort.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Or a gamma radiation, something like that.
And then I would have Hulked out again at that clip.
dan friesen
So you're getting more and more comfortable with non-Hulkness.
jordan holmes
I'm accepting, you know, I'm past the bargaining stage, let's put it that way.
dan friesen
I do think that the audience could...
Maybe hear your head shaking in disapproval as that went the direction it went.
But yeah, I mean, I think this is probably why the hack attack, you know, this is creating the sense of aggrievement and victimhood and persecution, which you then transition into all this.
jordan holmes
Tens of billions of hundreds of billions.
dan friesen
You take that, use it as fuel, launch into this hyper-passionate appeal for I need you.
But we get off that subject of Alex needing support.
alex jones
I'll use the analogy.
It's like we go to Las Vegas last 29 years on air, and we put a quarter in the slot machine, we want $1,000.
We go play blackjack, and we spend $1,000, we make $100,000.
We go to the roulette wheel, we make a million.
We never even lose!
dan friesen
You lose a lot.
alex jones
I get tortured, I get attacked, I get lied about, I get physically attacked, people come to my house, I don't even get into that, what that's like for my family, but as long as I care, and as long as I have courage and trust in God, like Job did, we have...
For every attack, for every little slap I get is a dagger in the enemy.
For every time they thump me in the face is a fist right in their nose.
For every time they break my leg, they get destroyed.
One of their whole cities gets vaporized.
Using that as an analogy.
We are devastating them.
jordan holmes
This operation is a devastator.
alex jones
The enemy fears it.
They hate it.
They hate the spirit of it.
They know it's real.
It's everything they hate.
So empower me.
Energize me.
Pray for me.
Buy the products.
Get off the fence.
God's watching.
unidentified
Plus, they're great products.
alex jones
I'm sorry to the callers.
I've been ranting for 25 minutes.
dan friesen
Man, I feel like if you can hear that and not realize you're being preyed on, there's no hope.
Like, that's such...
That's such predator shit, man.
That, like, God's watching.
But the products are great!
He's exploiting this religious shit so hard.
jordan holmes
You know, when Jesus tossed up those money changers and you read about it the first time and the pastor's trying to explain how, like, this Jesus seems pretty pissed off.
Like, the other Jesus seems pretty nice.
He's, like, all forgiving and shit, but this Jesus seems pretty pissed off.
And the pastor can go either one of two ways.
He can go the American way and be like, yeah, but that's just because it was in a church.
Religion's great.
And also, we do that in the church now.
Or he can do what Jesus did, which is like, yeah, man, if you put pray for me next to buy my shit, it just sounds bad.
dan friesen
It does.
jordan holmes
It just sounds so bad.
dan friesen
It really does.
jordan holmes
It just sounds bad.
dan friesen
And I think, you know, just take it outside of the biblical aspect.
Fucking overwrought theatricality.
It's just so manipulative.
My heart goes out, honestly, to anybody who can hear that and not be like, I am being targeted by this.
This is somebody who's trying to fuck with me.
jordan holmes
I mean, it literally puts me on London streets in 1650 with a guy who's pretending to be an injured beggar coming up and taking advantage of strangers.
It is so much that on such a large scale of like, you're just...
Begging in a weird way.
dan friesen
It's industrialized fraud.
jordan holmes
Yes, yeah.
That's a great way of putting it.
dan friesen
So he goes back to calls after having done this shameful pageant.
And this caller is weird.
alex jones
Baldy in Florida, you're on the air.
Welcome.
unidentified
Okay, so when we talk about a pending war in Iran, I think we should remind each other that this is Obama's war.
He funded a right in plain sight with $1.7 billion.
And who knows what else has been handed over to them.
baldy in newyork
So if a nuke does go off in this country, or three nukes...
jordan holmes
Three?
alex jones
I don't know what you're talking about, but I love it.
But within the Sunni, that's the majority group, there's the Muslim Brotherhood that the main Sunni Saudi Arabians don't like.
So you've got the Saudi Arabians, you've got the Iranians, and you've got the Muslim Brotherhood, and Obama is with the Muslim Brotherhood.
dan friesen
What?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Obama's with the Muslim Brotherhood?
jordan holmes
Yeah, don't you remember?
dan friesen
No, I remember that.
I didn't realize Alex still thought that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, sure, why not?
When did he leave?
dan friesen
I just thought that was something you would have abandoned by now.
jordan holmes
No, I like that that's one of the story elements that somehow stuck together, yeah.
dan friesen
It's not a regular thing I hear come up, but I guess...
jordan holmes
I mean, until...
dan friesen
Because, you know why you don't bring this up?
Because this calls to mind Larry Nichols' dumb shit in 2015 about how if Obama's going to secretly stay in office and turn the U.S. into a Muslim caliphate, all this nonsense.
Like, these conspiracies are a part of that lineage.
You're supposed to have left that behind.
jordan holmes
Nah, he's part of the Muslim Brotherhood.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
But that's always good.
You can always...
Listen, you can always say that Obama's a Muslim because, I don't know, that's what they do.
dan friesen
I guess so.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So we have another caller.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
This person, their first volley, this is their second question.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
The first one was, hey, me and my family, we're packing it up.
We're leaving LA.
We're leaving California.
jordan holmes
Time to go.
dan friesen
Where do we go?
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
We have resources.
We're lucky.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Where do we go?
jordan holmes
Canada.
dan friesen
And Alex is like...
What can you do?
I don't know your skills.
jordan holmes
Wait, he asks for skills?
dan friesen
Well, he doesn't ask for them.
He just says, Alex is like, I don't know.
I don't know if you can skin a buck and run a trot line.
He doesn't say that, but he always said his head.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I gotcha.
dan friesen
So eventually he gets around to, you should go to a small southern Christian city.
Wow.
That's where he tells them to go.
jordan holmes
Great.
dan friesen
So then this guy has a rejoinder, a second question.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
I just found out about the Jesuits.
unidentified
We're still new to...
All of this new information.
And we've noticed that during Roosevelt, they were able to suspend the Constitution.
And he actually had four terms.
Is the Constitution currently suspended?
If it is, how do we unsuspend it?
alex jones
Yes.
I mean, that gets all into legalese.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry?
alex jones
Or the unstoppable force.
But they declare a new emergency every year.
And we're operating under emergency rules since World War II.
unidentified
What?
alex jones
And the Jesuits and the Society of Jesus.
They're one of the biggest leftist New World Order groups.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry, the Jesuits.
alex jones
Every institution has been taken over.
jordan holmes
The genociding Jesuits.
alex jones
The Jesuits were supposedly set up by Loyola, this defender of the Catholic Church, but it became really the thing to take it over.
It's like a coup within the Catholic Church.
But tying that into the other stuff you were talking about, I mean, it's all...
I wouldn't say the Jesuits run it.
There's evil groups.
All over the place that the globalists control.
The globalists are controlled by Satan.
unidentified
Amen.
dan friesen
Wait.
jordan holmes
So are the Jesuits...
dan friesen
What?
jordan holmes
...controlled by Satan?
dan friesen
Through the globalists.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Because they're part of the globalists.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I'm fine.
And Satan's controlling everything.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
I'm fine.
jordan holmes
Got it.
dan friesen
How does the Constitution get suspended?
jordan holmes
It got suspended.
I think this guy just does not understand that until FDR, we didn't have it as a rule, you couldn't do more than two terms.
It wasn't a rule back then.
It wasn't that we had suspended the Constitution.
It's like how the Bill of Rights, it's not part of the Constitution, just like the 13th Amendment.
It wasn't at the beginning.
It's totally cool.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay, never mind.
dan friesen
The Constitution was suspended!
Since World War II, there's been no Constitution?
jordan holmes
You know what?
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was ending World War II and suspending the Constitution.
dan friesen
Why do you care about the Constitution, then?
It's not in effect.
jordan holmes
For so long.
dan friesen
Well, shouldn't your primary issue...
Wait a second.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I guess...
This could explain some things.
What comes to mind is in 2009, Alex was really obsessed with trying to reaffirm the Tenth Amendment.
jordan holmes
I do remember that, yeah!
dan friesen
This is a stretch, but it makes me think of maybe he was doing that because he thinks the Constitution is suspended since World War II.
But then why would it just be the Tenth?
unidentified
I can't imagine if...
jordan holmes
If I have had to pay attention to all of these fucking Supreme Court goddamn cases.
dan friesen
Doesn't matter.
jordan holmes
And they didn't even matter.
dan friesen
Constitution suspended.
jordan holmes
I'm going to be furious.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
It will make me so angry.
dan friesen
And that means that someone under 35 can be president.
jordan holmes
That is true.
dan friesen
That's the big takeaway.
jordan holmes
All bets are off since World War II?
dan friesen
Well, that also means that people who weren't born here can be president.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
I mean, it means that this country does not exist.
Oh, shit.
So we got one last call here to listen to.
And this guy I would describe as a creep.
And I think Alex is maybe taking a sandwich break.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
All right.
Bert in FEMA Region 9. I guess that's on the West Coast.
Go ahead.
unidentified
A coup is coming.
alex jones
Ah!
unidentified
And they're going to kill Biden.
jordan holmes
Okay.
unidentified
And the trigger event for all of this will be a nuclear 9-11 false flag event.
jordan holmes
Sure.
unidentified
And after that is when the wars begin.
jordan holmes
Are you a robot?
unidentified
But it won't be World War III.
jordan holmes
You're a robot.
unidentified
Can I skip to the election?
jordan holmes
No.
unidentified
Trump will not be assassinated.
But he will be disqualified at the last minute.
Shall I tell you how?
jordan holmes
How?
unidentified
It will be done on term limits.
He's already been elected twice.
jordan holmes
That's your plan?
unidentified
Uh-huh.
Sure.
jordan holmes
I like it.
Okay.
unidentified
Then you shouldn't skip that part.
Oh, my God.
alex jones
You're on air.
unidentified
Go ahead.
The idea that there won't be World War III is that the threat of World War III is more important than such a war.
alex jones
Well, sure, a world war doesn't mean nuclear.
A world war means it's in a whole bunch of different regions.
I think we're already in a global war, but I appreciate your call.
Great points.
dan friesen
Great points!
Great points.
unidentified
What points?
dan friesen
Ridiculous points.
jordan holmes
What fucking points?
unidentified
Then it's just a commercial for this guy's little self-made documentary.
dan friesen
Yeah.
His little paranoia conspiracy video about Nuclear 9-11.
jordan holmes
If you are that guy.
dan friesen
Trump is going to be term limited.
jordan holmes
If you are that guy, though, calling at the exact moment Alex wanted to take a bite of a sandwich is about as good as it gets for that, right?
dan friesen
Can't get lucky.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's free airtime.
dan friesen
Yeah.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because otherwise, I think Alex probably would have cut in on this.
unidentified
Yeah, totally.
jordan holmes
People have to pay for that shit.
dan friesen
Because this just weird rhythm...
Like, it does sound like a bot.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it sounds like a robot.
dan friesen
It sounds like a recording of a commercial that this person wanted to run for his little video.
Yeah, I don't know.
jordan holmes
It sounds almost like a Joe Frank character.
If you've ever listened to Joe Frank, I would recommend it.
It's some crazy radio.
dan friesen
Leaving Frank aside.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Let me be frank.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think that this guy has a great angle.
unidentified
I like it.
dan friesen
The Trump term limit angle is great.
jordan holmes
I think that is so funny.
dan friesen
That's different than the conspiracy theories that you hear.
And that's a little bit refreshing.
jordan holmes
I love the idea of somebody trying to pull it off, too.
That would be the greatest of swings.
dan friesen
But here's what's also great about this.
It gives a built-in reason to never prove your conspiracy.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Because as soon as we prove that that election was stolen and Trump was rightly elected...
jordan holmes
He can't get re-elected.
dan friesen
He can't get re-elected again.
jordan holmes
He can't get re-elected.
dan friesen
You have to never prove that.
jordan holmes
God, how fucking funny would that be?
It just does not get funnier than it, like...
Oh, we were gonna inaugurate.
And the ruling comes down on January 3rd or whatever.
dan friesen
No, it's at the inauguration.
jordan holmes
At the inauguration.
Somebody comes running and, stop the presses!
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
Waving a piece of paper.
unidentified
Absolutely, yes.
jordan holmes
The Supreme Court has just ruled!
dan friesen
Oh wait, it doesn't matter.
There's no constitution.
Shit.
jordan holmes
Oh, God.
dan friesen
God, what a load of shit.
jordan holmes
That would be such a fun America.
dan friesen
It would.
And that's the fantasy world that they live in.
But instead of it being a farce and this nonsensical stuff, it's also scary and there's going to be a nuclear 9-11.
They live in that fear instead of the goofy nonsense that their world implies.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But that's probably because that goofy nonsense doesn't sell.
jordan holmes
It is so much like, I understand...
That you're scared because in your narrative, in your myopic view, you're under threat.
But if you would just pull back a little bit and see the rest of the frame, you'll see people are throwing pies everywhere.
There's just pies going left and right.
Everybody's shooting water out of flowers.
It's ridiculous.
dan friesen
People are defying physics with their cartoonishness.
jordan holmes
Yes, absolutely.
dan friesen
It's like Space Jam.
jordan holmes
You have walked off of the cliff, and as long as you do not look down, you will make it to the other side.
dan friesen
Yeah, you're guaranteed safety.
So we come to the end of this, and I think the heat a little off on the border.
jordan holmes
Could be.
dan friesen
Which is fine.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
No mention of Ebola.
That whole thing has apparently moved on.
That also tends to work into my theory that that might have been some sort of spawn con.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I'm not sure that it is, and I don't know how any of that stuff works.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
But it is not even a piece that Alex brings up here.
So that's...
I mean, it should be the most important thing ever if there's a false flag Ebola outbreak.
jordan holmes
Another Ebola.
Another pandemic?
Come on.
Nothing gets bigger than that, right?
dan friesen
Sure.
It feeds into all this stuff.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know.
This episode seemed weird.
But that ad stuff did seem fairly desperate.
Yeah.
So...
That leads me to believe that maybe he's hurting.
jordan holmes
I got blindsided by the dragon again.
dan friesen
Sure.
You never expect a dragon.
jordan holmes
Because you don't.
You really don't.
Especially not in 2024.
It just feels like that should not exist in the time present.
dan friesen
It's one of...
It might be his longest running bit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you're right.
It really could be.
dan friesen
Chew on that.
And while you do...
unidentified
We'll be back.
dan friesen
Yep, it's knowledgefight.com.
jordan holmes
We're also on Twitter.
dan friesen
No, we're not.
We're also on Blue Sky.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's right.
dan friesen
You fucked it up.
jordan holmes
I did fuck it up.
Yeah, I'm never doing that again.
dan friesen
Anyway, we'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZXClark.
Fuck.
alex jones
I got nothing.
dan friesen
My mind's blank.
It's just blank.
Just blank.
I just hear Alex yelling about ads in my brain.
What do I do, Jordan?
jordan holmes
There will be a nuclear 9-11.
alex jones
And then...
dan friesen
You're on air.
steve quayle
And now here comes the sex robots.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
jordan holmes
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
jordan holmes
I love your work.
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