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Oct. 16, 2023 - Knowledge Fight
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#860: October 13, 2023

In this installment, Dan and Jordan grapple with Friday the 13th on Alex's show.  The way Alex celebrates is by taling a bit about the conflict in the Middle East, and how it is really all about him and how he's been so wronged by so many.

Participants
Main voices
a
alex jones
30:44
d
dan friesen
59:29
j
jordan holmes
32:43
Appearances
Clips
p
pastor david manning
00:02
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Speaker Time Text
unidentified
I have great respect for Knowledge Fight.
alex jones
Knowledge Fight.
I love your world.
unidentified
Knowledge fight.
alex jones
KnowledgeFight.com.
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to KnowledgeFight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are.
unidentified
Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
I have a quick question for you, sir.
What's your bright spot today?
dan friesen
My bright spot today is I've been watching the new series of Taskmaster.
jordan holmes
Oh, yes, me too.
dan friesen
And I have to say, it's, you know, 16th season, I think.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And sometimes it can be like...
I don't know how they're gonna have a cast that's fun.
They have to have gone through everybody.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
This is a great cast.
jordan holmes
Fantastic.
dan friesen
But also, it's been a while since I've had somebody who I think is in the, like, running for my favorite ever.
unidentified
Oh, yeah?
dan friesen
And Sam Campbell is so fucking funny.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's perfect for that format.
jordan holmes
Yeah, for that show, it's like, that's...
There's just, yeah.
dan friesen
It never, things he says never cease to be, they're surprising.
jordan holmes
Where are you from?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
What do you, what goes on inside your brain, sir?
dan friesen
Yeah, they're very, things he says are very funny, also very absurd in a way that is actually not annoying.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, it feels like I am being hit on the head by a frisbee out of nowhere.
Every time, it's like, where did that come, oh, that's pretty funny.
That's pretty funny.
That's hilarious, yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I guess my bright spot is Sam Campbell.
Fantastic.
I never watch any of these people's stand-up, but man, so good.
So good on that show.
jordan holmes
For us, though, that can only be a detriment.
dan friesen
Well, I worry if I would be able to relate to the comedy of another country.
I always worry about that.
unidentified
I don't know.
dan friesen
Your concerns are so different from mine.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
Well, I took you to see an Irish comic, and you were like, I don't even understand his words!
dan friesen
Our friendship almost didn't survive.
jordan holmes
It was tough.
Sorry, Dylan Morn.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, sure, Black Books is great.
unidentified
Fine.
jordan holmes
Whatever.
unidentified
I don't know.
dan friesen
Look, there's a lot of things that people have made me watch that have not been pleasantly received, and that was only one of them.
My friend Angela Lampsbury made me watch that magic show In and of Itself, I believe is the name of it.
jordan holmes
Never heard of it.
unidentified
Boo.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I'll tell you what you should watch.
dan friesen
People love it.
jordan holmes
Penn and Teller Fool Us.
Fantastic.
dan friesen
I'm not gonna do it.
jordan holmes
I love close-up magic so much.
dan friesen
I do, too.
So great.
This one that was more...
I think I talked about this way in the past, but it was more of a one-man show than it was magic.
jordan holmes
Ooh, no good.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
No good.
dan friesen
And I think Bill Gates is in it.
jordan holmes
No good!
dan friesen
Yeah, he's in the audience of one of these.
jordan holmes
Why ruin stuff with him?
dan friesen
Anyway, Dylan Morin was worse, but what's your worst spot?
jordan holmes
My bright spot is Cyberpunk 2077, the expansion.
dan friesen
Yeah, you've been enjoying that.
jordan holmes
I just beat the Phantom Liberty expansion.
It is great.
It's really great.
Like, it's really great.
dan friesen
Scale from 1 to 2077, what do you give it?
jordan holmes
1998.
It's not ready for Y2K just yet, but it'll get there.
dan friesen
It's pretty close.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it is pretty close.
The clock is counting down.
dan friesen
That's fantastic.
jordan holmes
But yeah, it's really, really good.
dan friesen
I am glad.
I know that's a game that you've been thoroughly enjoying.
jordan holmes
Yeah!
dan friesen
You've enjoyed some games, but this seems to be on another level.
Like a higher level.
jordan holmes
I like the world building.
I mean, the game itself is oftentimes like...
Repetitive in some ways, but I like hanging out in the world they've built.
They did a good job.
dan friesen
I think that's such the important part of these longer RPG-ish type games, because so much of it is repetitive.
So much of it is just like, go get this thing.
Once you take a step back and you realize what the...
This is just one of three different things you're making me do.
But if the world is fun, it's fine.
jordan holmes
Steal this thing, connect to this thing, go to this thing, then leave, bring it to some other person.
I get it.
I've been there, but guess what?
I like that world.
dan friesen
If you feel like you can actually embody and sort of roleplay, it can be fun.
jordan holmes
I'd like to steal things in this world, but I can't.
So I hang out there!
dan friesen
And you'd like to be able to give yourself cybernetic upgrades?
jordan holmes
I really would.
I would really like cybernetic upgrades.
It seems unfair.
I feel like we should have them by now.
I feel like I was promised cybernetic upgrades.
Every video game year has been a game year where a game in the future has been like, oh, by the time we get to the year 2001, we'll have cybernetic upgrades.
Now they've moved the goalposts all the way up to 2077?
unidentified
Bullshit.
jordan holmes
I'm going to be dead by then.
dan friesen
I was certain that by this point we would be able to get in a little ball and spin and roll like Sonic the Hedgehog.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
It could have gone two directions.
I could have gone Samus.
I could have gone Metroid rolling up into a ball.
jordan holmes
That's true.
At the very least, I thought we would...
We would have had all of our food in pill form by now.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That seems so obvious.
dan friesen
And as somebody who doesn't like food that much, I'm disappointed that's not the case.
Because I would food pill in a second.
jordan holmes
I love food.
I enjoy eating it.
I enjoy cooking it.
But, I mean, that I can't just eat it in a pill seems just like a fault in society to me.
dan friesen
This actually leads me to a second bright spot.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
And that is...
jordan holmes
I have condensed to you.
dan friesen
No, I wish.
I don't want to just sit here and talk about how great Aldi is, but you know how they have products that are there for a while and then gone?
There's a weird rotation with the way things...
jordan holmes
Seasonals?
dan friesen
I don't even know if they're seasonal.
jordan holmes
Seasons are in the mind.
dan friesen
Every store has seasonal stuff, like they'll have gourds and shit.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
Halloween season?
jordan holmes
I mean, associated with the seasons.
dan friesen
This just looks like, hey, we got a box of this, put it out there.
There, which is awesome, because sometimes you'll find something that's great.
Anyway, there's a spicy chicken ring, a frozen spicy chicken ring.
Okay.
It's like a chicken finger, but in a ring form, but it's actually pretty spicy.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
It's great.
jordan holmes
That's awesome.
dan friesen
I'm going to hoard them.
jordan holmes
That is so much like a...
I suddenly had the image of the Aldi, like...
Person who sets up the groceries go into like a different fresh fish market in the middle of this.
You know, just like, oh, these are, you got fresh chicken fingers today.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Market price only.
dan friesen
Consider me, Sonic the Hedgehog, hoarding these chicken rings.
jordan holmes
I like it.
dan friesen
That's for sure.
So Jordan, today we got an episode.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I'm not happy about it.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
But it is what it is, and we will have to go through it.
We're talking about October 13th.
That's Friday the 13th of this last week.
And Alex has been on vacation.
jordan holmes
Good!
dan friesen
That's not a vacation.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
He wasn't on vacation.
But he's on vacation.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And he's back.
He had been gone this whole week.
And so Owen had been hosting before he goes off to prison.
jordan holmes
Pre-prison, Owen.
25th hour starring Owen Troyer.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And so Alex is back, and he's, you know...
He would say that he's loaded for bear, and I would disagree, but it's just real not good.
It's pretty bad.
And we'll get down to business on it.
jordan holmes
Great.
dan friesen
Before we do, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's a great idea.
dan friesen
So first, conspiracy thinking is what fills the space left where class consciousness should be.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
Thank you.
dan friesen
Next, help.
The receptionist at an art museum let me in for free when he saw Knowledge Fight on my phone screen and now I'm stuck as a visual meta-commentary on post-wonk policy modalities.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Oof, that was a lot of words.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I like whenever I can skim them and I know, oh, that's going to be great to cold read.
dan friesen
Next, Preston and Smurfette.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
unidentified
Thank you.
dan friesen
Next, the wonk trying to mail Dan books.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
You can mail me books.
Email knowledgefight at gmail.com and Jordan will give you the address.
jordan holmes
The email came while we were on tour, so I didn't have the...
Never mind.
dan friesen
Okay.
Next, Alex Jones does a throat-clearing cough right before lying about what an article says, and it's an obvious tell once you hear it.
Thank you so much for now, policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much!
dan friesen
That is true.
It's not, like, hyper-consistent, but it definitely does happen.
Buying a little time.
And we got a technocrat in the mix, Jordan.
So thank you so much to Nat.
I took a carpenter job at an exclusive summer community, and all I got was this tan.
Thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
pastor david manning
Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
alex jones
Daddy Shark.
Bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp.
Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
He's a loser little titty baby.
I don't want to hate black people.
I renounce Jesus Christ!
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
jordan holmes
Yes, thank you very much.
dan friesen
So, obviously, the reason this is bad is that Alex feels that he's had a week off, and now it's important that he fill everyone in on his thoughts about the situation in Israel and the Palestinians.
jordan holmes
Oh, shit!
I was hoping he would just have moved on and we would have forgotten about it by now.
dan friesen
I really, really wish he would just be talking about the speakership fight or something, but yeah, no, he's talking about this.
jordan holmes
Oh, good.
dan friesen
And it's...
I mean, look, I'm going to be honest with you and say that some of it is so messy that I don't even really know how to untangle some of the pieces, and I hope that you can be helpful with that as you listen to this.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Because if you're trying to find a coherent point, there isn't really one.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
But there are a bunch of...
Non-central points that are all very bad.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
That's what I would say.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
dan friesen
So here's where Alex starts off, and he's lamenting that everybody, especially people on the left, are out there calling for the death of the Jews.
jordan holmes
Sure.
I'm sorry?
I'm sorry, excuse me?
dan friesen
I'm not sure if that's accurate.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry, when did that happen?
alex jones
The Communist Party, the Socialist Party, it's an antifa, and every other scumbag criminal organization is running around foaming at the mouth.
Across Europe, across Canada, across the U.S., across Australia, calling for death to Jews.
Now, let's be clear.
I don't like heroin.
But just because I don't like heroin doesn't mean I also don't hate cocaine.
I tried them both in high school.
Horrible drugs.
I'd advise anybody out there never try them.
You feel like you can run over by a car after you take them the next day.
jordan holmes
So I don't like what Israel is doing.
That's not the right review.
alex jones
And I sure don't like what the Muslims are doing.
And let's just get that straight.
I am my own identity.
dan friesen
Okay, so first off, I think Alex has done cocaine way more recently than that.
jordan holmes
No, in high school.
In high school.
dan friesen
Weird to learn that he did heroin in high school, though.
I kind of don't think that's true.
But if it is, it's indicative of how fucked up he was back then.
Like, I know a lot of rebellious kids, and they all experimented with drugs.
But heroin was not something that people experimented with.
I don't understand if he said, like, I smoked opium or something.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean...
dan friesen
You don't do heroin.
That's not...
jordan holmes
We're from different areas.
See, because where I grew up, right off of 80. So the New York-California pipeline, we got way more heroin.
Like, I didn't see cocaine at all, but I saw heroin in high school plenty of times.
dan friesen
I didn't see a lot of heroin.
Cocaine was largely sort of the richer kids.
jordan holmes
We were kind of a poor place, too.
dan friesen
There was a lot of weed, certainly.
Sure.
There might be a little bit of meth here and there, because you were in the middle of Missouri.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You had more meth than we did.
dan friesen
Yeah, but not a ton, especially not in high school.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
But people would dabble with pills and stuff like that.
Obviously, there's gonna be some opiates here and there.
But in terms of, like, shooting up heroin, like, nah.
unidentified
Nah.
jordan holmes
I think, yeah, I think they, I don't think anybody was black tar, like, fucking cooking it in a spoon and shit.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
That's fair.
dan friesen
And I don't think anybody really does that for, like, experimenting.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, no, experimenting?
dan friesen
Like, you don't do, I don't, I don't, I'm sure that this person does exist.
But I don't know anybody who's done heroin once.
That doesn't...
jordan holmes
No, I mean, you could do heroin once.
It's just, I mean, once you...
I've never heard of anybody who injected it once.
That's maybe the better way of putting it.
dan friesen
That's what I'm getting from him.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
I get what you're saying.
dan friesen
Is he saying he smoked heroin?
jordan holmes
I mean, you can snort it.
dan friesen
Yeah, but people don't.
Generally.
Not generally.
jordan holmes
I mean, you know.
dan friesen
Not if you want to get the good stuff.
jordan holmes
Listen, I'm not saying that I came from a place where the good stuff was even heard.
Our weed was probably worse than our heroin.
dan friesen
I guess to me, when you say snorting like heroin, I don't feel like that's doing heroin.
You know what I mean?
Or at least linguistically.
jordan holmes
Linguistically, that's not what I would call it.
Socially speaking, when we describe doing heroin, we are talking about the person shooting up between their toes.
Like, that's what we're talking about.
dan friesen
If someone says I did heroin, I'm seeing a needle.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
Whereas otherwise, somebody's like, oh, yeah, well, I had a speedball back in the day.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I get what you're saying.
dan friesen
That to me is...
jordan holmes
I get what you're saying.
dan friesen
But, you know.
jordan holmes
I mean...
No, now that you've explained it, it makes sense.
dan friesen
You can smoke cocaine, but you've got a free basin and shit.
So it's very different.
If you say, I did coke, it usually means you're going to snort it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I think what it is, I think you may be putting the do or the did suggests a lot more effort than the just like, yeah, I've snorted some coke.
dan friesen
Anyway, the point is I don't think Alex...
More importantly, Alex's analogy seems to imply that supporting Jewish people and supporting Muslims are like heroin and cocaine, respectively.
And that's weird.
I have to imagine there's a better way to say that he opposes the policies and actions of the Israeli government as well as the actions of Muslim terror groups, but...
Because the way he's phrasing it, his criticism is not specific to a government or terror group.
It's about all members of these categories as a whole, and clearly, I hope he clears this up, but he doesn't.
jordan holmes
Oh, he doesn't?
dan friesen
On our last episode, I pointed out that Alex will often give what appears to be good lip service to the fact that war is bad and that both sides in a conflict end up hurting civilian populations.
However, when the rubber meets the road, he'll always side with the group that has the most power, and typically the one that he feels aligns most with his heterosexual, white male-dominated...
worldview.
unidentified
You can see that even at the beginning of the show here.
dan friesen
He starts the show talking about how everyone everywhere is calling for the deaths of Jewish people, and it would be unfair for us to pretend that there aren't some groups out there that have been calling for blood and the destruction of Israel, and that's bad.
It's not everybody on the left foaming at the mouth saying this, but to pretend that that voice isn't there in some sense is bad, and it's condemnable.
The flip side, however, is that there's also plenty of groups and voices out there that are calling for the genocide of Palestinians, which is terrible.
Alex is ignoring those voices and pretending that all the left around the world is calling for the death of Israelis because his agenda is to support Israel when it comes to these two groups.
He doesn't want to be too obvious about it, but that's where his support lies.
And you can tell just through those little things the way he phrases things.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, when you start a conversation with the left just wants all the Jews to die, you're really ending the conversation before it begins, you know?
dan friesen
It's not going anywhere good.
jordan holmes
You have no interest in me being like, aha, I actually have a more nuanced...
No, we're not.
We're past that.
dan friesen
And you can kind of tell why I would spend a little more time talking about whether or not Alex is on heroin, because anything other than his horrible thoughts about this situation.
jordan holmes
Yeah, this is great.
dan friesen
So, he whines a bit here, and then, I believe...
If you were to give a fair reading to this clip, Alex blames the people who were at the rave in Israel who were killed by Hamas for being there.
He blames them for their own murders.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
And I am sick of my entire life, 49 years of this planet, hearing more about Israel and more about the Muslims than I hear about our country where you got everybody living.
I'm an American.
jordan holmes
Off to a great start.
alex jones
And that's where I stand on this.
But to watch Black Lives Matter and the left everywhere celebrate people on motorized hang gliders coming into a peace rally rave with a bunch of delusional leftist Jews who are literally thinking they're safe right next to Gaza, unarmed, is disgusting.
Both groups.
Obviously, Hezbollah 100 times worse, but also the delusional people at that party.
I mean, let me tell you, I'm a tough guy.
I'm not going to an all-night party, I don't know those anyways, next to 2.5 million people who want to kill me, where they hear the music and the party.
I mean, it's absolutely insane, but that's the delusion of the left.
You see everywhere going into the worst neighborhoods and getting stabbed and murdered because they've promoted all this anti-white garbage that extends to Jews because they're white, according to the left.
And the Democratic Party's real anti-Semitism issue.
dan friesen
Oh boy.
So Alex is sick of hearing about this conflict.
It's really about him at the end of the day when you think about it.
jordan holmes
Why hasn't anybody thought about Alex at all?
dan friesen
Yeah, is he sick of hearing about this?
Maybe we should stop talking about it.
jordan holmes
Hey, everybody in Israel, put your arms down.
Alex is sick of hearing about it.
dan friesen
I can't think of many worse takes you can have than blaming the people who are victims of a terror attack for their deaths.
This is kind of a disgusting mentality that I've seen on The Rise and The Right Wing, particularly on social media, so it's not surprising to see Alex parroting it.
He gets all his information from that shithole, so he's gonna absorb some of it and spit it right back out.
This mentality is the what-did-you-expect-to-happen kind of idea.
People like Alex are using tragic events to undercut the idea of supporting equal rights and social justice.
That's basically the game that's being played.
There was a video of a white guy getting stabbed in New York that was posted all over social media, and the perspective on it was, that's what he gets for supporting Black Lives Matter.
There was no evidence that this rave that Hamas attacked was a pro-Palestinian event.
But that's the messaging that you see from people like Alex based on it being a hippie-ish freedom and psychedelics-themed rave.
They need that to be the perspective and the perception so they can blame the victims of this attack for their own victimhood.
You should have known better than to support Palestinian rights.
What did you think would happen?
This is a strategy and rhetorical tactic meant to dehumanize.
This is an attempt to take these othered groups and make them out to be animals.
If you get attacked by a tiger, someone might say, why were you messing around with a tiger?
And no one really doubts the rationality of that question.
Tigers are dangerous animals.
Alex is trying to apply this same mentality to black people and Palestinians, and it's repugnant.
Also, I want to unpack that part there at the end where Alex says the left's, quote, anti-white garbage extends to the Jews because they're white, according to the left.
That's interesting, because it does tell you a little bit about Alex's views on whiteness, namely that it does not include Jewish people.
He's right in line with some of the more Nazi-leaning members of his audience there, so that's good.
jordan holmes
I mean, I suppose the difficulty I'm having here is that the left...
Is now supporting Israel because Jews are white.
dan friesen
No, no, no.
The left is against Israel.
They're calling for the deaths of all of Israel, the Jewish people.
That's what Alex is saying.
jordan holmes
Right.
Wait.
But then how can you...
You can't be anti-Semitic if Jews are also white people, right?
Like, if you're calling for the end of Israel, but because we hate white people...
And Jews are white people.
That's not anti-Semitism.
That's...
I did tell you this was a little confusing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's difficult for me to walk through.
dan friesen
I think Alex is a little bit all over the place.
jordan holmes
Right, and that's what I'm getting to.
I feel like the Democrats' hate is all over the place, and that is probably coming from the source, which would be Alex, yes.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, definitely, definitely.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they seem to not have a very clear-eyed view of what they're doing here.
dan friesen
No, for sure.
And one of the things that you really have to pay attention to is that there are essentially two sides of the conflict.
That is going on, according to Alex.
alex jones
Sure.
dan friesen
And one is the Israeli government, and the other is the Muslims.
jordan holmes
Right.
All of them.
dan friesen
Yes.
So anyway, Alex has been attacked.
jordan holmes
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
Because this really is about Alex.
alex jones
I don't hate Jews because they're Jews.
I don't hate Jews because they're Orthodox Jews.
I don't hate Jews because they believe in God.
In fact, I admire a lot of the culture and poetry and ideas of Jews.
That said, for my entire broadcasting career, Have been savagely attacked and lied about by leftist Jews.
And they've abused me, they've abused my family, they've attacked me, and they feel like they have a right to go after me using the political power they've got.
That's wrong.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry?
alex jones
But it's also wrong to come in with hang gliders and kill a bunch of innocent people.
dan friesen
It's really interesting how Alex can't even engage with this world situation without making it about himself.
The actions of the Israeli government towards the Palestinians isn't even a factor that he's considering here.
On the one hand, you have the ADL being mean to Alex, which is horrible.
And on the other hand, you have Hamas attacking a rave, which is also horrible.
This is bleak, and it speaks to how illiquid.
He brings so much of his own baggage and personal feelings into it that you're not getting any real analysis.
You're getting him talking about his feelings, which is usually Anger about how everyone's mean to him.
Or at least he feels that they're mean to him.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I can't think of anything less useful than...
How does Alex feel about...
Like, this is like a YouTube reaction video.
dan friesen
Yeah.
It might as well be.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it might as well be like, Crazy man reacts to war!
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I think it makes my day harder!
dan friesen
This is about me.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
So anyway, Alex decides, like, I'm out.
jordan holmes
He's just out.
dan friesen
I'm out.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
All right.
jordan holmes
I mean, I like it.
dan friesen
He's going to continue to talk about this shit for a long time.
unidentified
God damn it.
dan friesen
But he's decided he's out.
jordan holmes
I would have been fired.
alex jones
And I'm against what's happening with these Jews being slaughtered.
And I think it's terrible what's happening in the carpet bombing of the Gaza Strip, the Palestinians.
But it is not my dog.
It is not my fight.
And I am American.
And I am so tired of turning on the news and hearing about Saudi Arabia and Israel and Germany and the UK and France and Russia and China and South Africa and Nigeria and Mexico and Chile and Brazil and Timbuktu, man.
Our borders are wide open.
Hundreds of thousands are dying from fentanyl.
Mass suicide.
I don't care what color you are.
We're screwed as a country.
dan friesen
This is a super cowardly position for someone like Alex to have.
I thought that his entire brand was supposed to be out 1776 worldwide.
I know that he sold a lot of shirts and mugs with that slogan on it, but now, all of a sudden, he wants to retreat to a place where the rest of the world doesn't matter.
Fuck it.
Let them kill each other.
That's not very 1776 of you.
Alex can handle the heat when he's fucking around and being an asshole in ways that aren't gonna cut into his bottom line.
He can spend all day screaming about how important it is that Bolsonaro is in charge in Brazil because he knows that most of his audience has no interest in the things Bolsonaro was destroying.
They don't care about the native peoples of Brazil or the state of deforestation, so there's no real blowback that Alex is gonna suffer.
This is entirely different.
Alex lives in a world of black and white situations where there's a good side and a bad side to everything, and he's trained his audience to see things in that binary.
Now he's faced with a choice he cannot make, which is to define the binary as it relates to the situation in Israel.
He knows that a large portion of his audience fully supports Israel and even attached the country to some of their millenarian religious beliefs.
If he does anything but support Israel, he risks alienating that group.
Simultaneously, he has two subsets of anti-Israel factions in his audience, the folks who are actually opposed to Israel's government's policies and actions, and the folks who just hate Jewish people and think they run the world.
If Alex supports Israel bluntly, then he's going to really risk losing those people and their money that they pay for his dumb pills.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Alex can't really make either choice, and so you see him doing what he is doing, saying that he doesn't want to play anymore.
If this were Russia and Ukraine, he'd keep playing all day long, even though it's two other countries, and it should be not Alex's fight.
He can play that game fairly freely, because his audience doesn't have intense feelings about that as they do about Israel.
This should be seen for what it is.
He's a little boy who knows he's losing a game, trying to come up with a high-minded reason for why he doesn't want to play anymore.
This geopolitical shit isn't a game, but it is to Alex, and that's why he can act this way.
That's the way I see this.
jordan holmes
This is just so much Alex is a fucking Twilight Zone dream.
If you have an alternate reality machine that you can create, and Alex is just like...
I don't want to hear about that.
You show up and you're like, and this is what's going to happen next.
And then you find out what happens whenever you don't see it.
And then he goes, oh, I've learned a lesson, ironically, about all the things that I'm wrong about.
You know?
He doesn't get that.
He just gets to say this shit and then never learn anything about it.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
That's why the Twilight Zone needs to be real.
I am putting together a GoFundMe for...
Building the Twilight Zone, I guess.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
We could get Jordan Peele in on it.
jordan holmes
I mean, I want to be...
dan friesen
You could appeal to him on a...
jordan holmes
No, he's going to want to make his own thing.
He's going to have to brand it.
I want to build...
dan friesen
I'm a Jordan.
alex jones
You're a Jordan.
jordan holmes
The specific Twilight Zone only.
The actual alternate reality.
dan friesen
So, like, really...
jordan holmes
The door, everything.
dan friesen
Here's what I think.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Twilight Zone's a great idea.
alex jones
Sure.
dan friesen
Fantasy Island is better.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, Hervé Velasquez is dead.
dan friesen
That's true, but you don't really need him necessarily as much as you just need somebody who can fill that role.
You just need somebody who's a caretaker of the magic island and such.
Because Ricardo Montalban's dead, too.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
Finally, from hell's heart, he did stab at me.
dan friesen
I think I might have mentioned this on the podcast before, but one time in college, I was...
Do to take finals.
And I really didn't want to study.
And so I convinced myself, I've never seen Fantasy Island.
And I watched all of them.
jordan holmes
Yep.
So we gotta do it.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
Alright.
dan friesen
Great show.
jordan holmes
It has its moments.
dan friesen
Pretty good.
So, I mean, I don't know how to describe any of these clips other than, like, Alex is just not, his points are not good.
jordan holmes
It's just awful.
alex jones
I've always wanted to go to Israel.
It's historic and see it.
I've never gotten around to it.
Every time I'm about to go, my mother's, my wife's mother.
I was about to go to Israel and Egypt for a trip she'd been planning for years and got canceled, obviously.
jordan holmes
Why?
alex jones
I would feel safe going to Israel.
I would not feel safe going to any of those Islamic areas because I would not be safe.
So at the end of the day, it's the best house in a bad neighborhood.
Israel is the best house in a bad neighborhood.
It doesn't mean I'm moving into the neighborhood.
It doesn't mean I identify with the neighborhood, but I don't hate the neighborhood.
And I refuse to hate.
The Jews, even if the left tries to use Jews as a political control valve to bully Americans who they know have a soft spot for Israel, because Israel's seen as the underdog.
When all the Arab countries ganged up on them, that was wrong.
jordan holmes
Wait.
alex jones
Well, Israel's not really getting ganged up on now.
They got thousands of nuclear weapons.
But that said, I don't want war with Israel, and I don't sit back and go, yeah, give it to them Jews.
Boy, let's kill some Jews.
I'm disgusted by it.
dan friesen
So, I mean, what do you take away from that?
jordan holmes
I think what I take away from that is that maybe he should live in a world where he doesn't hear more about other countries because I don't think that made any sense whatsoever.
dan friesen
Not really.
Not really.
But you can get a sense from that best house in a bad neighborhood kind of idea.
Like, I would never feel safe going to one of these Muslim countries.
He has a perspective that is like...
All Palestinians, all Muslims are basically barbarous.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I would just get murdered immediately there.
He sees one side as more human than the other.
jordan holmes
Right.
But I think what's interesting about it is that he's also, in his own mind, I believe, in his own mind, successfully navigating the pathway.
He just doesn't have the words.
He doesn't have words that can allow you to say, I don't this and also this.
He's trying to say, I am against this both sides thing, but his language is only that of racism.
So he's like, I'm against this both sides.
These people are great and those people are evil.
unidentified
See?
jordan holmes
I'm on both sides.
I am navigating.
This is a tightrope between good and evil.
Wait, no.
God damn it.
unidentified
Did it again.
jordan holmes
All right.
There's good on this.
Fuck!
dan friesen
Yeah, there may be some of that to it.
So he's sick of looking at Biden.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But he's also sick of something else.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And that's Muslims.
alex jones
Now that said, I have to talk about it.
And I've talked a lot about this.
I've talked about it recently on air.
I'm sick of looking at Joe Biden and Obama.
I'm sick of looking at Hillary.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
So my dislike of them is palpable.
dan friesen
I feel it.
alex jones
But it's the same thing on...
Dealing with the Muslims.
jordan holmes
Like, how?
alex jones
I'll just tell you, I mean, I am disgusted by the politics in Israel.
So are the Jews over there.
Majority of them think they're in a dictatorship.
I think they are, basically.
But, I mean, the Muslims, if America's so bad, stop coming over here.
Stop coming here and signing up for welfare and then walking around in your nightgowns all day and bitching about me.
dan friesen
Wow.
That's something.
So you can kind of see the shell game that Alex is playing here?
Sure.
The binary that he's constructed is not between Israel's government and Hamas, you know, like the conflict might appear to be.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's talking about the justifiably criticizable actions of Israel's government on the one side and the Muslims on the other.
The entire group.
The Muslims.
Alex is not disgusted by the actions of a terrorist group.
He's assigning his disgust to the whole group of all Muslims.
This is what you do when you want to pretend that you're being measured and judging both sides, but you're very clearly in one camp.
Just imagine the inverse.
How would it sound if Alex was lamenting the horrible atrocities carried out by Hamas, but then he said he was disgusted by the Jews?
Islamophobia is so normal on this show that Alex's audience probably doesn't even recognize this trick that he's pulling.
But his agenda is assigning blame for those terrorist attacks, not just to the victims who went to a rave, but also to civilians around the world who happen to be followers of Islam.
Basically, Alex is a giant piece of shit just trying to play games.
He should be ashamed of this.
This is not...
Appropriate coverage.
jordan holmes
No.
No.
I mean, it's interesting how strong his opinions are on places that aren't the United States of America if he never wants to hear about them.
unidentified
I'm out.
jordan holmes
Right?
unidentified
I'm out.
jordan holmes
Like, be out then.
unidentified
I can't because all of them are coming here.
jordan holmes
No, but here's the thing.
What's interesting about that, like, I bet if you just only hung out with the Muslims in your neighborhood...
And you never knew at all about anything else.
You wouldn't give a shit.
You wouldn't care.
dan friesen
I'm not sure.
jordan holmes
It's everybody else's problem.
dan friesen
I think most people, that's true for.
Alex, not sure.
jordan holmes
Eh, that's possible.
That's possible.
dan friesen
So he ranks his hatred on a scale of 1 to 10 for various groups.
jordan holmes
Not 2077?
dan friesen
No.
Not 1 to 14 words?
No. 1 to 10. This is bad.
alex jones
So, on a scale of 1 to 10...
My dislike of the pedophiles is a 10, of the Muslims is about a 5, of the Jews that are liberals trying to bully me and everybody in America, a 1. But it doesn't mean I like you because you're a 1. Let me be completely frank with you.
It's wrong to put all Muslims in one group.
Oh yeah?
jordan holmes
What makes you say that?
alex jones
You get called an anti-Semite when you're supporting Israel.
And so you're like, okay, I've been supporting Israel's existence.
I know they're not perfect.
And, you know, I'm trying to be nice to Israel and I'm trying to understand their perspective.
And then I get to be demonized all day long by the ADL and the rest of these groups.
At a certain point, I'm like, okay, I supported you and you slapped me around and shit all over me.
I'm done with you.
But at least you don't want to make me convert to your religion.
That's a positive thing.
And I'm not attacking Judaism.
It's actually a very interesting, ancient, amazing thing.
I think it's very interesting.
I mean, I like all ancient interesting things.
I respect culture.
jordan holmes
What is happening?
alex jones
But at least the Jews don't try to make you convert over to their religion.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I hate religions that do that.
alex jones
And so that's why I fundamentally do not like being put in a position where I have to sit there and choose sides.
dan friesen
So nice of Alex to give a hierarchy to that hate.
Should be helpful in the future to know this number scale.
jordan holmes
I hear a man scream about how I need to get right with God all the fucking time.
dan friesen
Constantly.
jordan holmes
All the goddamn time and about how his is the one true religion.
dan friesen
He's very into evangelizing.
jordan holmes
There's only one way.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
The way of the truth of the life.
dan friesen
Yeah.
The central theme of his show is essentially spreading his religion.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Anyway, I think this is a pretty instructive clip.
Alex is saying that he doesn't hate the Jews or anything, but that the ADL is making him mad, and it kind of makes him want to.
Or at least it puts leftist Jews as one of the people who are on his hate meter, which is strange.
This is why he thinks that groups like the ADL are creating antisemitism, because that's how he rationalizes it in his head.
He's frustrated by a group accurately describing him and his friends, and that gets under Alex's skin so much that he puts leftist Jews as a one on his hate scale.
That's not the ADL being a one.
That's left-leaning Jewish people.
You understand?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's weird.
That's a remarkable thing to hear him put into words, because it's pretty damning as it relates to the I'm not anti-Semitic stuff.
jordan holmes
I think what he doesn't understand is that he doesn't have a ranking.
And that these are all tens.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, that's true.
jordan holmes
He doesn't have any amount of hate he has is all the hate he has.
dan friesen
Yeah, depending on the day.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's dormant.
Other things can be at the forefront or on the back burner.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
But yeah, he has a lot of hate.
Oh yeah, just catch him on another day when he really wants to go to town on the ADL and they're a fucking 10. He's not always one-tenth as mad at the ADL as he is at...
jordan holmes
No.
No, that's absurd.
Just saying it's on your hate list means you hate them.
dan friesen
Right.
And so this immediately pivots into this, which I think is just disgusting.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
alex jones
I want the Jews to be either Americans or Israelis.
And I want them to choose which allegiance they're with, and then I'll back you all the way.
And the Muslims, we know.
And I'll open the phones up and the Muslims will call in.
But we know your main allegiance is to either the Shias or the Sunnis, the Shiites or the Sunnis.
And so all I'm saying is you are incompatible.
I'm not your enemy.
I don't want to kill you.
I don't want to run your life, but let me explain something.
I'm not submitting to Allah.
I'm not submitting to Hollywood or the transgender gay cult.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
Anybody trying to make me submit to your crap is, quite frankly, my enemy.
You made yourself my enemy.
dan friesen
Okay, I guess that's how you've got to think about it.
I mean, this is just repulsive.
The dual loyalty shit that he's pulling there about Jewish people, the incompatible, Muslims are incompatible with the United States.
Well, fuck yourself, man.
This is incredibly hate-filled shit.
And the way he's presenting it as if it's not is shocking.
jordan holmes
Yeah, this is the type of shit that wouldn't be acceptable in America.
If we were a different country at any point in our history.
I mean, it is, and it always has been.
But it's bad.
We shouldn't allow it.
But we do!
dan friesen
Well, if he is, like, legitimately saying that people who follow Islam are incompatible with the United States, what do you suggest is done about that, Alex?
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Like, just getting everyone out of the United States?
jordan holmes
I mean, that's what you could...
dan friesen
You would throw all Muslims out of the United States, I assume.
Yeah.
Right?
Because they're incompatible.
Or maybe a reservation or something like that.
jordan holmes
Oh, that'd be a great idea.
dan friesen
These are the only ideas that make sense, based on Alex's ideas.
And obviously he's already said, stop coming here.
He wants a blanket ban on Muslims coming to the United States.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, it is kind of immaterial what he says about his beliefs.
He believes that it should be a white nation.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
Big time.
jordan holmes
So, yeah, I think we can all put that one in the bed.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
Did it.
dan friesen
So, he goes to break after this outburst.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Let's say.
And he comes back from break, and he's a little bit upset that he had an outburst.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
alex jones
I just burned a segment, frustrated and mad, and just being honest with people.
The truth is, I love little Muslim children, I love little Jewish children, I love little Christian children.
I love Hindu children.
I love Buddhist children.
I love children that are born to these horrible atheist families.
I just want to stop killing, and I want to stop fighting.
But let's just move on, because this is me being honest here.
I don't want my disgust with some of the politics that come out of Israel or our own government to make this an issue of, I'm against Israel.
Because I've made that very clear over the years, I'm not against Israel.
dan friesen
Okay, wait.
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
That's the thing you want to reassure people about after this show?
jordan holmes
I was going to say, was that what I was unassured of?
dan friesen
I think anybody critically listening wouldn't come away with, man, this guy doesn't like Israel.
jordan holmes
Oh, no, I think that's the least of my problems so far.
Up to this point, least of my problems.
dan friesen
Yeah, but that's who wants to clarify.
And I do believe him that he likes Muslim babies and all that, as long as he can indoctrinate them and they convert to Christianity and they grow up.
You know?
That's the condition of them being acceptable.
jordan holmes
You know, like, here's my question now.
Now my question is not, like, blah, blah, blah.
Here's my question, alright?
So Alex and his ilk, they get rid of all the religions.
What do they go after first?
Mormonism or Catholicism?
dan friesen
Probably Catholicism.
jordan holmes
It's got to be Catholicism, right?
I think a hundred years ago it would have been Mormonism and now it's Catholicism.
dan friesen
Well, I think that Alex's fringe right-wing school of political belief has a lot of intersections with the Mormons.
There's a lot of great Mormon figures in the anti-communist tradition.
There are people like Glenn Beck is a figure in that world, and he's a Mormon individual.
There's a lot of more overlap, I believe, between Alex's school of thought than Catholicism.
jordan holmes
And you know what?
I think that's a uniquely American success story.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Because Catholicism has thousands of years on Mormonism.
Thousands of years, and in only a few hundred years, Mormons took over Catholicism.
Well done.
dan friesen
Good job in the United States.
With a very, very small group of fringe, extreme right weirdos.
jordan holmes
Absolutely!
Yeah!
Congratulations, Mormons!
You did it!
dan friesen
I'm not sure if it's the greatest success story, but it's an interesting one.
jordan holmes
It is an interesting one.
dan friesen
So, we've got Hamas and Hezbollah sleeper cells in the United States, apparently.
alex jones
We have, in this country, hundreds of thousands of military-age men.
Who are part of Hamas and Hezbollah.
And they are here, and they have said they're going, according to their leadership of Hamas and Hezbollah, start launching attacks in the West.
Now, even when that happens, and it's happening in Europe all the time, I'm going to be against the Islamists that did that.
But who I'm really going to blame, because I'm not a moron, is our governments that opened the borders up and the UN, And Klaus Schwab and all these organizations that Soros are suddenly involved in, bringing them here.
So if something happens to any of my friends, family, or any other American, whether it's a synagogue that gets attacked or a church that gets attacked, they're attacking the Hindus, the Muslims hate them, anybody gets killed in a religious attack, I am going to hold O 'Biden.
And that means Obama.
Responsible for that.
jordan holmes
We put that together.
alex jones
So they want to burn the American flag.
They want to do all this crap.
Great.
Do it in your own...
Crap hole country.
dan friesen
What if there's a religious attack where it's one of these extremist folks who believe the same shit that Alex does attacking Jewish people?
jordan holmes
Oh, and they don't actually believe that.
dan friesen
That's probably a false flag.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they don't actually believe that.
They're probably Hindu.
dan friesen
Ooh, so you hear how Alex pivots the conversation back to much safer territory for his business.
Scare-mongering about immigrants in the United States and making sure that anything that happens will benefit his own petty political narratives.
This is stupid and obviously the kind of rhetoric that's designed to target vulnerable populations like immigrants and refugees, but it's also weak on Alex's part.
He got a little too worked up in the last segment around issues that are touchy for his audience, so he retreats to safe ground, which is inciting hate towards immigrants and idiotic partisan political conspiracies.
Yeah.
unidentified
It's very disappointing.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, that's kind of my, that's where we're at right there, is like, the smartest move...
jordan holmes
Would have been to not say any of it.
dan friesen
Right.
Talk about Kevin McCarthy.
jordan holmes
Absolutely, yeah.
The problem here is not what he has to say, it's that he's talking it all.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah, or...
jordan holmes
I mean, what he has to say is a problem.
That's true.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
For sure.
But it's like, we already know that what he thinks about all of this stuff is a problem.
dan friesen
Yeah, we don't need to take a whole day out of it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and he's just, I mean, blowing shit even further than he wants to, you know?
Like, he doesn't even know what he's saying half the time.
dan friesen
No, and he's wrong about just about everything.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
alex jones
Don't be naive and don't lie to yourself.
And so thousands a month of what they call other than Mexican come across each little border section.
What they call the Border Patrol.
And most of them aren't from America or even Africa.
They're from the Middle East and China.
They are pouring into the country, and they're here, and all they get is one cell phone directive or one jihad order, like you've been hearing for Friday the 13th.
We'll see what happens.
They hope nothing.
And then they unleash their attacks on us, and then we lose our freedoms in the process.
dan friesen
Yeah, so there was, like, an exciting thing on internets, on the social medias, that there was going to be a string of Friday the 13th attacks.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry, what?
dan friesen
Of all the sleeper cells that had come in, so that didn't happen.
But Alex is playing into that a little bit, because, you know, you want to whip the audience into as much fear as possible.
jordan holmes
I posit you this.
If you can orchestrate more than 10,000 sleeper cell attacks simultaneously, I give up.
You win because your administrative skills are clearly beyond anything I could compare to.
dan friesen
Doing that without an established bureaucracy is pretty nuts.
jordan holmes
If you can pull that off, then fuck it.
You should be running things.
dan friesen
Well, I'm not sure about that.
jordan holmes
I don't like your ideas, but your competence is out of this world.
dan friesen
You need to teach me Quicken.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
Yes, that's our Operation Paperclip.
dan friesen
Whatever organizational software you're using, you know how to use it.
jordan holmes
Put me in a cell and teach me QuickBooks.
dan friesen
So here's the deal.
Israel has nukes.
And as Alex will explain, might makes right.
unidentified
Sure.
alex jones
Because Israel's got thousands of nuclear weapons, folks.
And if you try to go in there and actually drive them out, if anybody ever actually overran Israel and was actually beating them, they're going to nuke the Middle East, ladies and gentlemen.
So I'm going to explain how this works.
We have nuclear weapons.
I've become death and destroyer of worlds, is what Oppenheimer said is true.
jordan holmes
Wait.
alex jones
So?
jordan holmes
That he said that or that he did?
alex jones
Russia has a right to exist because they have nuclear weapons.
Israel has a right to exist.
Just like you come to my house trying to rob me, I got a bunch of guns.
Good chances you're going to die.
I got a right to exist because I say I got a right to exist.
And the Muslims are doubling their numbers every 30 years.
It's not like they're not taking the world over.
It's not like there's one little group of them left in one little country and everybody's getting rid of them.
Muslims are expanding everywhere.
So let the Jews have their country.
Leave them alone.
But I'll tell the leftist Jews this who want to get rid of my country and get rid of my guns.
No!
dan friesen
No!
So there's a might-makes-right aspect to that, in that nukes give you the right to exist, which is weird.
But then Alex also says, I have the right to exist because I say I do, which would imply that all of these Muslims that he is so...
jordan holmes
Have an equal right to exist.
dan friesen
Well, you'd think.
But then Alex says, I have a gun so I can protect my home, which implies he doesn't have the right to have his home unless he has the gun to have the might to protect it.
belief is about personal property.
I don't know what's going on here.
This is convoluted.
But also, if you unpack what he's saying, he thinks that Israel should have the right to expel all Muslims from the country.
So you can kind of see what side he's on in terms of whether Palestinians have rights, whether they have the right to be there, any of that.
Any question anybody has about that is moot.
It's done.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, I think...
One of the things that Alex and people like him fall into is the idea that countries are hard and fast things that exist, as opposed to collective ideas.
Israel can do this.
You know, like, Israel, the concept of the nation itself, can write a law that says we can do this thing.
You know, but then there's the what can you actually do aspect of a country, which is very different.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
You can't actually, even if Alex wanted to, and fuck it, we've tried so many times in the American past, you can't actually expel people from a place.
You can't.
You can kick some people out and then they can come back because it's a big fucking place.
dan friesen
You can cause tremendous harm.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you can do that, but you can't actually do the thing where you get rid of all of them.
dan friesen
Right.
Short of killing everybody.
jordan holmes
But you can't even do that!
dan friesen
You could.
jordan holmes
You could try!
dan friesen
In theory, you could.
jordan holmes
In theory, you could succeed, but you won't.
dan friesen
Probably not.
jordan holmes
And then they'll just come back!
dan friesen
Most likely.
jordan holmes
You know?
Like, you can't actually do that.
So, let's move on from the, like, oh, but we should be able to, and that's how we'll behave.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
And start behaving like real people who are like, hey, let's not have a prison.
I don't know.
dan friesen
But even underneath this, you...
You get the clear sense that whatever Muslims, because it's a blanket term that Alex is using, but in this case obviously means like the Palestinians, whatever they're doing is bothering Israel.
And so they need to stop it.
They need to leave them alone.
And so that's basically Alex's position.
It's woefully...
Pro-Israel.
Israeli government and their policies.
It is completely anti-Palestinian.
He has no right to say that he has any kind of both sides on this.
He is way far on one side.
jordan holmes
I mean, it's also hard to imagine Alex's opinions were some foreign country to just like...
Conquer Texas and be like, actually, we're going to have to give this back to Mexico.
It's their land, historically speaking, so go fuck yourself.
dan friesen
Well, the real question is, does Texas have nukes?
unidentified
Right?
jordan holmes
That's the real question.
I think Alex might have a different opinion if he was on the other...
dan friesen
He may.
jordan holmes
I think so.
I think that might be the case.
dan friesen
So he's looking at this from the perspective of, like, you have a couple of neighbors.
Yeah.
Husband and wife.
And they're fighting with each other all the time.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
That's kind of how he's looking at this.
jordan holmes
That's a bad way to look at it.
dan friesen
It is.
And his analysis, even if you just take the...
jordan holmes
Even without the global aspect to it.
dan friesen
If you don't look at it metaphorically, still terrible.
alex jones
It's like if your neighbors beat each other up.
They're two drunks, husband and wife, they're beating each other up every day.
And, you know, you stop calling the cops and they try to rope you into their home disputes.
You're like, listen, don't kill yourselves, okay?
dan friesen
Whoa.
jordan holmes
Escalation.
alex jones
Stop sucking me into your crap.
Can't I just be left alone by you?
Muslims, you're doubling your numbers every 30 years.
You're taking over.
On average, you're the biggest welfare recipients in every country.
You come milk the system.
You have six kids.
jordan holmes
In every country?
unidentified
Every.
jordan holmes
Every single one?
alex jones
Because of what color I am or I'm a Christian.
Leave me alone.
Get off my yard.
dan friesen
Now, I want to pause it here really quick.
We'll talk about this full clip once we get to the end of it.
But right there, that leave me alone, get off my yard.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I really thought it was going to be a repetition thing.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
The way he said it made it feel like it was going to be a call and response.
jordan holmes
Leave me alone.
Get off my yard.
Leave me alone.
dan friesen
He's going to complain about other groups and then be like, leave me alone.
Get off my yard.
jordan holmes
I like that.
It says get her done.
dan friesen
I was a little bit disappointed that he didn't use that structure.
unidentified
Tough.
alex jones
It's the same thing for the ADL and the same thing for the Simon Wiesenthal Center and all you guys.
You're discredited.
You're jokes.
Any real Nazi, you support him.
Like the one, an actual SS officer that actually rounded up and killed Jews in mass, getting standing ovations a few weeks ago, and has he been arrested?
Has he been hauled back to Israel?
No.
They only haul back Alzheimer patients because they can't defend themselves.
When it's a real Nazi, you don't grab him because that'd be a little embarrassing for the U.S. and Canadian government, wouldn't it?
And the Vatican.
And the rat lines.
I know way too much.
dan friesen
He knows too much.
So it was actually the Simon Wiesenthal Center that raised concerns about Yaroslav Hanka being applauded at the Canadian Parliament.
But this fact is inconvenient for Alex, so he ignores it and pretends it is that weirdo British fuck.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
There have been moves made to try and extradite Hanka, but it's unclear if any of them will be successful.
It wouldn't be to Israel, though.
And the country that's shown the most interest in extradition is Poland.
They've talked about trying to...
Bring him back to stay on trial.
jordan holmes
Yeah, go for it.
dan friesen
What Alex is saying here, though, is that they would never extradite or try a well-spoken Nazi with full mental capacity because if they did, the Nazi would reveal that many Nazis were able to escape through the rat lines.
It's not controversial to claim that U.S. intelligence at the time was aware of these escape networks, and that they even made deals to free some of their own assets from Soviet areas through them.
That kind of concern would never stop anybody from extraditing and trying a Nazi.
It's not like this is something you have to keep under wraps.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, at a certain point, how old is the dude?
He's like, I think he's 90. Yeah, I mean, it's like, listen, I get it, but he can't Nazi at us anymore.
And I mean, I can't believe he accepted an invitation to go to the...
That's the thing that, like, the more I think about that story, the more I'm wilded out by that dude just being like...
I bet they don't know.
He must have been fucking with them, right?
He's like, they don't know I'm a Nazi.
dan friesen
He's also in his 90s, so who knows how much he was able to think through the decision.
jordan holmes
See, again, but all of that leads to a place where it's like, why would you waste your time extraditing?
dan friesen
I will say that if I were a Nazi and I made it to the 2020s, I probably would lay low.
It would not go places.
jordan holmes
I mean, at that point, that guy's clearly playing with house money.
dan friesen
That's true.
So Adolf Eichmann was captured in 1960 and tried.
Heinz Barth was tried in 1983 for his crimes, and only 67 years of age at the time.
Karl Frenzel was charged in 1966.
There are plenty of examples of Nazis with their full mental faculties who have stood trial after the immediate period of the war.
Alex is just talking shit.
But then, once again, he is a master of a bad analogy.
This drunk couple.
jordan holmes
Kill yourselves.
dan friesen
Wow.
jordan holmes
That's a very final advice.
dan friesen
I think that's irresponsible.
jordan holmes
I would argue that it is, yes.
dan friesen
And I would say that if your neighbors are so domestically violent with each other that it interferes with your life, you do have a responsibility to do something about it.
Largely because there's an inherent power imbalance between the husband and wife in the situation where he's probably going to kill her if you don't do something.
Eventually it will escalate to a point where her life is in danger.
jordan holmes
I mean, yeah, it does seem not perfectly one-to-one, but my neighbors keep fighting and I'm listening to my neighbor abuse his wife are very similar.
Very similar in definition.
Maybe 99% of the same.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's definitely at least an incredibly callous way to...
jordan holmes
Hey!
Woman!
Escape!
Or I guess both of you kill yourselves.
Great.
dan friesen
He didn't even say that first part.
jordan holmes
No, I know.
I was like, I literally can't just say it.
I can't say it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Why don't you stop bothering me?
jordan holmes
Please get psychological help.
Please do not call 911, the social services program.
They're not good.
They're going to send the cops.
It's going to fuck up your whole relationship.
What you need to do is you need to get counseling.
I know a guy, the number.
What number do you want?
dan friesen
Honestly, your domestic violence is really about me and how it inconveniences me.
You need to consider my feelings about this.
jordan holmes
And then we start by, don't listen to my friend over here!
dan friesen
God damn it.
Just ridiculous.
So Alex, his real feeling is obviously always.
Basically, he just doesn't like people thinking he's a bad guy.
alex jones
And I will not sit here and be the villain of the Muslims.
Or the villain to the leftist Jews, or the villain to Black Lives Matter, or the villain to anybody else.
I've done nothing to any of you.
I just want to live my life and be productive and be a good person.
Leave me alone and leave my kids alone.
And stop trying to chop their balls off.
I'm going to stop.
I'm loaded for bear.
I've got so many clips, so much news.
I am just disgusted by all this.
Absolutely disgusted.
dan friesen
I know the feeling.
I'm disgusted, too.
Yeah, I will not be made the villain just after talking about how Muslims are incompatible with the United States.
Go fuck yourself.
jordan holmes
On my 1 to 10 hate rankings...
I put Muslims at a five.
I put all Muslims.
Why does everyone think I'm a villain?
Whether I know them or not, what context they're in or not, whether or not they're an adult, whether or not they're even capable of choices at all.
I hate them all at a five.
dan friesen
I think my neighbors and other countries in the world should all just kill themselves because they inconvenience me a little bit.
Why am I the villain?
jordan holmes
And everyone calls me the villain.
dan friesen
Why?
alex jones
I'm just a good guy trying to get by.
jordan holmes
I specifically...
Listen, I'm not a hateful person.
I said all Muslims and only a small section of Jews are the people that I hate.
See?
That's not racist.
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's in good territory.
jordan holmes
That makes sense.
dan friesen
So this was just a weird phrasing.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
This is because I don't like a lot of the policies and things that go on in Israel, which is not one unified block.
Political parties fight with each other.
Does not mean I then endorse Islam.
Can't you figure it out?
I don't like tomatoes, and I don't like...
dan friesen
I do believe that he doesn't like a salad.
You can see here that Alex allows the Israelis to be a diverse political bloc with many different perspectives.
He doesn't agree with their political position sometimes.
But for Islam, it's a monolithic thing where there's no difference between a terrorist in Hamas and a civilian at a mosque.
If you pay attention to these little tells, it's really obvious the position Alex has in the side he favors in everything.
He can do this bullshit lip service about being above it all and not picking a side, but that's a charade.
It's so transparent.
It's, uh, blah.
So anyway, Alex says that he's done ranting.
And then he starts ranting again.
jordan holmes
That sounds right.
alex jones
Alright, I'm done ranting.
I want to cover a bunch of news.
Open the phones up next hour here on this live Friday edition.
But let me go over what's really happening in the Middle East.
Like I said, Saturday, and people said, Jones just said Hamas is behind this, or Hezbollah is behind this, but it's really Hamas.
No, it's Hezbollah, and that's who directed it, and that's who funded it, and Biden gave him the money, and Biden gave him the weapons.
Just doubling down.
jordan holmes
Why not?
alex jones
Well, we're not talking about Biden's laptop now.
We're not talking about open borders now.
We're not talking about the national debt now.
We're not talking about Ukraine now.
We're not talking about any of that right now, are we?
dan friesen
Alex is still not vindicated in his initial coverage that the Hamas attack was secretly all Hezbollah.
He can claim that all he wants, but it doesn't really affect reality.
Also, we can have multiple news stories existing at the same time.
This conflict in the Middle East can exist, and we can pay attention to it, while at the same time we lament how idiotic the Republicans in the House are, and they're setting themselves up for a disaster with the Speaker Showdown.
We can talk about any number of issues.
Alex, you have a three-hour show every day.
jordan holmes
You can talk about Azerbaijan!
You are in control!
Nobody's talking about Azerbaijan right now.
dan friesen
I don't hear Alex bringing it up.
jordan holmes
I don't hear Alex talking about it.
He didn't even know that that was a thing that we're not talking about.
How do you even know what we're not talking about?
You don't know it.
dan friesen
But here's the thing.
It's so childish to complain about how no one is talking about things when you are a figure that is able to talk about things.
His function is a news show.
He could set the entire agenda for his information space.
He doesn't need to complain about what CNN is doing.
jordan holmes
No, it is an entire network that is...
Like, imagine every show on CNN was just a constant, like...
Well, they're not going to tell you about this fucking story, and they don't tell you about the story either.
dan friesen
And all the anchors are babies.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they're just babies.
Crying and whining.
dan friesen
Or just adolescents.
Just wah.
Just like, it's so angsty.
jordan holmes
I don't even want to talk about this story right now, and nobody else is talking about it.
That's how much I don't want to talk about it.
dan friesen
I've honestly started to come around on a position that I have maybe...
I'm dancing around with this.
I have a strong suspicion that Alex hasn't really matured since about, like, ninth grade.
Yeah, I believe that.
I'm starting to see more and more instances of, like, this is a guy whose development just stopped.
jordan holmes
I do believe that there is some, yeah.
dan friesen
And, anyway, maybe that'll play out.
jordan holmes
I mean, he's one of those, somebody better make him donate his brain to society once he's dead.
dan friesen
I don't think it would be that interesting.
jordan holmes
I think it would be able to find a bunch of weird things that happen to a brain.
dan friesen
Nah, I don't know.
I don't think that his brain damage, from a physical standpoint, is actually as much as we've maybe played around with the idea in the past.
Just because he's talked about being hit in the head with a brick and stuff like that.
I don't know.
I don't know if his brain is that interesting.
jordan holmes
I'd be interested to see what kind of CT he would deal with.
dan friesen
Fine, you can have his brain.
jordan holmes
Thank you.
That's all I was asking for.
dan friesen
Anyway, Alex, read some headlines.
alex jones
Soros asked America to open its borders to Hamas and funded open borders, and Hamas supporting Black Lives Matter.
Figure it out yet?
No.
unidentified
Hamas says 13 hostages killed and strikes on Gaza.
alex jones
Pull from earlier this year.
Let that sink in.
Because it's one thing to be critical of Israel.
And Israel's a mess just like we are.
But it's another thing.
To literally say, I support the Islamic Jihad.
I support Hamas.
I support Hezbollah.
That is crazy.
dan friesen
So I don't think Alex pre-screened these headlines that his intern gathered.
The first one's from a stupid right-wing blog, so it's fine.
But Alex realizes in the middle of reading the second one that it's about Israel killing the captives that they were supposed to be freeing in the attacks on Gaza.
Better just trail that one off and let it hang there and not just move on.
The third headline is the most telling, though.
For Alex, sympathizing with the Palestinian people is the same as supporting Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Islamic Jihad.
It doesn't matter if they're civilians, women, and children.
The very existence of Muslim people is experienced as a threat by Alex.
He makes no distinction at all between civilian and terrorist, because to him, they're the same.
This is just one important piece of the puzzle of why Alex is literally incapable of credibly saying that he doesn't have a side in the issue of Israel's government's conflict with Hamas.
He just can't possibly even have a position.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, because ultimately isn't the position...
Strangely enough, you know, and they would never describe it this way, but this is the only way that makes sense out of, like, their belief system is just, like, it is totally fine for me to kill all these people because classic rules, if I kill their dad, they're just going to grow up and want to kill me.
You know?
Like, it is so much that fucked up.
It's so fucked up.
dan friesen
I don't hear Alex articulating it that way.
jordan holmes
No, none of them will.
But how else can you be okay with that?
How else can you possibly in your head be okay with it?
You have to say...
dan friesen
Or just dehumanize the entire group.
If you sincerely believe that they are not the same kind of human as you.
jordan holmes
That's what it has to take, yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex wants to...
He wants to ban immigration from all Muslim countries like Trump wanted to.
alex jones
I am for reinstating what Trump did.
Islamic Muslim travel ban from seven countries who officially say destroy the United States.
No visas.
Don't come here.
Go away.
That's where I stand.
And let's roll some of the b-roll for TV viewers.
You've got...
People storming the borders of Israel from all sides right now.
We've got in France giant Islamic riots going on.
We have absolute bedlam breaking out where these people come here and they get on welfare and then they complain that we're not blowing Israel up.
Now, why would our governments, look at this footage, bring these people in?
Get a job.
But no, they're in the evil Western country.
They're here to get the welfare.
The average Islamist, like 80% or more, is on welfare.
Can I go to a Muslim country and get some welfare?
No.
dan friesen
Please, cite your sources on this shit.
Wild.
Because this is just the same shit he does with, you know, Mexican people whenever he needs to.
Whatever group he's targeting at that point is...
The biggest drain on welfare stuff.
Because it's just a little string that he can pull to elicit a reaction in his audience.
Create that hate.
Create that resentment.
jordan holmes
The only people that aren't being taken care of are you.
And do you know whose fault it is?
Them.
It's their fault.
Go be mad at them.
Because they're taking what is rightfully yours.
dan friesen
Your birthright.
unidentified
Yup.
dan friesen
So, that comes to this, I think.
There's a lot going on in the world, and there's a lot of very differing interests that people have.
You can say that Hamas has an interest in what they're doing.
There's a motive to what they're doing.
Palestinians want rights.
The Palestinian people as a whole, Israel has an agenda that they're pursuing.
The United States has an agenda.
There's a lot going on.
Interconnected pieces and...
But really, this is all about taking Alex's guns.
jordan holmes
Okay, that makes sense.
alex jones
We can pull the headline up.
Israeli defense minister, we're going to arm all the Jews in Israel.
First, it was going to be in southern Israel three days ago.
Yesterday, they said, you know what?
Any Jew, any Israeli in Israel that's an Israeli citizen can have a gun permit.
Aren't you nice?
Aren't you sweet?
You live next to the Gaza Strip.
Two million people want to kill you.
You're a mile away from it.
And then you move there and you have dance parties out in the desert right across from the fence where people want to kill you.
So here's the deal.
If the Jews don't want guns and they want to live in a hostile area and all get killed, I'm sad for them, but that's their business.
That's basically a form of suicide.
But don't take my guns.
And you can't swing a stick in the dark in D.C. without hitting some leftist Jewish lobby that wants to take the American people's guns.
dan friesen
So that seems to be behind this somehow?
Taking Alex's guns?
jordan holmes
I still feel like I should be able to go dance.
I'm going to throw that out there.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
You know what?
Rules of engagement-wise, and I'm going to say this to all the militaries on the world right now, all right?
If you are fighting a war, it is not with me, the person dancing at this disco.
You're fighting with somebody else.
Go fight with them!
I'm dancing!
dan friesen
Well, because you didn't dance with a gun, you are part of...
jordan holmes
It is so dangerous to dance with a gun!
Have you not seen how many rappers have shot themselves in multiple parts?
dan friesen
You are part of the attack on Alex's gun rights because you won't dance with a gun.
jordan holmes
That's true.
I can't argue with that.
dan friesen
So this next clip, I felt...
And energy in it.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Oftentimes, I think that Alex has a really fake kind of presentation.
A lot of the things that he does are very performance-y.
I felt some reality behind this, and it really fucking made me uncomfortable.
jordan holmes
Oh, this is no good.
alex jones
And imagine the attitude of the majority of the Israelis that never even saw it, living in a tiny country surrounded by enemies to own guns.
You're your own worst enemy, not me!
I don't want to kill you.
I don't want to hurt you.
I wish you prosperity.
And to have your religion and live in peace and be productive members of society.
But it's time for Jews, particularly, to choose a side.
Are you with the West?
Are you with right to self-defense?
Are you against communism?
Or do you embrace those tenets?
And if you embrace communism and disarmament and enslavement, then go!
Go live amongst the Arabs and get killed.
I'm not the one killing you.
Go kill yourself.
Take your children with you.
I'm sorry you're going to get them killed too.
I'm not saying I want your kids killed, but your bizarre behavior is causing this.
We can't just point at the Muslims and say they're out of control and a bunch of babies and they kill each other constantly and they got all these issues, which they do.
Great.
Let them live in their own area.
Let us control our countries and stop them coming here.
Don't have the ADL attack me because I want to kick radical Muslims out and want to stop them coming here en masse.
They're here to conquer us.
unidentified
Don't you point your finger at me trying to survive and live and say I'm the bad person!
alex jones
I reject that!
jordan holmes
You're the bad person.
unidentified
And I'm sick of you!
jordan holmes
It's your fault.
alex jones
Just like I'm sick of the CIA and the FBI and the Democrat and Republican Party opening our damn borders up to bring all these people in and brainwash them against us because I'm white.
I'm not a person that's in identity politics.
jordan holmes
But you've made me that way.
alex jones
Everywhere it's bad because I'm white.
Everywhere it's bad because I'm Christian.
Everywhere I don't deserve to have a job because of what color I am.
Everywhere I'm a bad person.
No!
unidentified
No!
dan friesen
I try not to say this too much because it can become a little tiresome, but this clip in particular really makes me think that Alex desperately needs to see a therapist.
He's rambling from topic to topic, his thoughts are so disorganized, and he's just yelling about his own feelings.
This has no attachment to reality, only to his own fears and anger, which is, then he's preaching that to the audience as if it's some kind of good political analysis.
He's a really fucked up person in a lot of pain, and he's actively hurting people that he comes into contact with because of it.
And the people he's coming into contact with are sometimes just people listening to his show.
He's able to disseminate his feelings and anger through a radio program.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, it would be genuine.
I mean, neither of us would allow this.
Neither of us would allow this.
dan friesen
From each other?
jordan holmes
The idea of me allowing my unfiltered depression speak to come through this radio to other human beings, never.
Never would be allowed, ever.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
No, that's unacceptable behavior.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
To give that to somebody else is fucked up.
dan friesen
Yeah, especially, it's interpersonally messed up to act this way towards someone in your life.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Because you're trying to burden them with your...
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Essentially.
And to do that on a grand scale on a radio show is like...
I can't even imagine what kind of...
You have to either be completely unaware of what you're doing.
You'd be so oblivious or so malicious.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
There's only two options.
And if you're oblivious, then you have a responsibility to learn about what you're doing.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I mean, it is like...
So solipsistic, the idea of just being like, I can just give all of my emotions to the world and it'll be fine.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
They'll feel this for me or something.
jordan holmes
Yeah, like, yeah.
No, absolutely not.
dan friesen
A lot of the time, Alex's clips and rants kind of make me roll my eyes or they bum me out because he's wrong and lying about shit, but that clip actually I find kind of chilling.
A clip like that feels compulsive.
It actually does feel like there's an energy behind it that's being drummed.
It's not drummed up as a performance, and that energy is...
It is essentially Alex feeling like he's under threat and feeling in pain, and he's coping with that by making everyone else feel that same way.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And it's so dark.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It just...
jordan holmes
No, I mean, you're right.
It is the type of behavior you'd see in a high school student, and then someone would hopefully do something.
dan friesen
And the way it's being expressed is villain shit.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
This is talking about, like, isolating and expelling Muslims from the country.
Jews need to pick a side, whatever the fuck that means.
Like, this is horrific stuff.
Anyway, we move on now to talking about how Cenk Uygur is running for president.
jordan holmes
Oh, good for him!
unidentified
Cool.
jordan holmes
Wait, what?
Why?
alex jones
I got more on this.
I got more clips.
I got Ukraine war news.
I got a communist.
Cenk Uygur.
Uygur.
He's starting the Bestiality National Party.
I'm not joking.
He says his first act, this is not a joke, when he is president is to legalize, quote, pleasuring animals.
By the way, when I say Bill Gates wants to block out the sun and cut down trees, I have video clips.
Folks, I'm not joking.
The young Turk leader says that his national platform is having sex with animals.
And that his first act as president...
We'll be pleasuring donkeys and other creatures.
unidentified
Sure.
alex jones
We're going to play that clip coming up next hour.
dan friesen
So Alex has this old clip of Cenk saying that if he were king of the world, he would make it legal to pleasure animals.
This is an old clip, and it's clear that he might be drunk, and that it's an attempt to make an edgy argument that forces another person to solidify what it is about bestiality that's actually wrong.
This is really more a form of philosophical trolling than anything else, because it's really hard for someone who hasn't thought about it to articulate why it's wrong to have sex with someone.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You know, because obviously there's good arguments for why you shouldn't, but most people...
Just have an instinctive revulsion, and they don't examine their position.
So that's why someone like Jank can come in and have some fun, by confronting people with, like, what's their first attempt at making an argument against bestiality, and then forcing them to, like, refine their position.
jordan holmes
Which is also, like, something a high school boy would do, and you would be like, hey, I hope somebody deals with this.
dan friesen
Yeah, definitely.
jordan holmes
Because this is fucking annoying.
dan friesen
It's the kind of stuff your friends would do around a bong circle.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Whenever it's just you and your friends, and you already have a pre-established like for these people, maybe.
Anything short of that, shut the fuck up.
dan friesen
It's years ago, and Cenk was on air.
Maybe he wasn't as big as he is now then, but also at the same time, it's like, alright, this is a little fucking stupid.
jordan holmes
It's very stupid.
Satire!
dan friesen
But it does also, I mean...
I don't care.
I really, really don't care.
But it's fun and games to take this and pretend that Cenk's national platform that he's running for president on is fucking animals.
But this is just degrading to get into after the first hour of this show.
It's been so convoluted and so hateful and so full of Alex claiming to have access to these concrete, real pieces of information.
Now he's saying that he's not joking about Cenk launching a bestiality party.
Like, what are we supposed to take seriously?
This genocidal rant he had earlier in the show?
We're like, you know, Cenk's pleasuring donkeys or Alex feeling like he's a victim in the world because he's white.
What are we doing?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
Also, Cenk, what is this?
dan friesen
Go away.
This is a pointless vanity campaign that at best is a publicity stunt.
I don't know of anybody who thinks that it's a good tactical move or a viable strategy.
That being said, because I'm not a fucking idiot, I don't have to rely on years-old clips that are out of context in order to make that argument.
But apparently Alex does.
And good fun and games.
Maybe trying to bring some levity to the program after telling all Muslims to get the fuck out of our country and telling other people all around the world to kill themselves because they're bothering Alex.
unidentified
The fuck?
jordan holmes
Yeah, this is, I mean, we were, so we forgot to say anything because that's just us.
We were on the Skeptic's Guide to the Universe podcast.
Thank you very much to the hosts of that for having us on.
But there is that, like, you know, that superficial Alex lie and then the deeper Alex lie, you know?
Whenever we're talking to them.
They just have that, oh, he's the turn the freaking frogs gay guy.
And in the same, and then today's episode.
dan friesen
That's the jank part of it.
jordan holmes
That's the jank part of it.
And then today we're listening to it and it's, I want to kill non-white people.
Contextualized, put it all together, and you have a man who says, I want to live in a world where all non-white people are dead or away from me in a meaningful way.
So they cannot interact with me at all.
Like, that is Alex.
That is the reality.
dan friesen
And that's the message that he wants to get to you by luring you in.
jordan holmes
Through the friggin' road.
dan friesen
I'm gonna eat my neighbor's ass.
Frogs are gay.
Jank wants to fuck animals.
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
That's the game.
jordan holmes
He gets to have both in a way that we don't allow anybody else to do.
Or at least nobody else has been able to trick society into allowing them to do it.
dan friesen
And nobody else does it as extremely.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's definitely true.
dan friesen
So in this next clip, Alex has a defense of a guy in Australia, or I think it was a couple of guys, who were heiling Hitler outside of a Jewish museum.
There was some trouble they were making, that's for sure.
So he makes a defense of them on free speech grounds.
unidentified
Oh boy.
dan friesen
Which I think is iffy.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
But you're never going to guess how this ends.
alex jones
Manacuse of committing a vile act outside Sydney's...
Jewish Museum in the Wake of Hamas Terror Attack in Israel cover their faces after being charged.
Can we put the actual article up, please?
I want to show the actual photos they're talking about, because the printout doesn't do that.
I'll wait while you do that.
Yeah, scroll down.
So, okay, a guy goes and does a Heil Hitler in his Ukraine shirt, and now, once you set the precedent, To be able to take his right to go hall Hitler in front of a synagogue or a Jewish center, now all my other rights to promote the Second Amendment or standing against transgenderism or any of this go out the door.
And that's what this is all about.
So, I hear all day a lot of Israel's so free speech.
Great.
Then we are free speech alone.
And I won't have to criticize you because I'm going to criticize Xi Jinping.
I'm going to criticize Benjamin Netanyahu.
I'm going to criticize Barack Obama slash Biden.
jordan holmes
Can't let it go.
alex jones
I don't care what color you are, what your religion is.
When you do stuff like that, I'm going to come out against you because it's wrong.
dan friesen
Unless you're right.
alex jones
And it's tyrannical.
And they've already said the American people and Christians and Catholics are the number one terror threat.
And Homeland Security isn't for Hamas or Hezbollah running around with their Black Lives Matter events saying kill Israel.
Death to Jews.
And those of us that aren't doing that, those of us that aren't doing that, we get the blame and we get attacked.
So no, those idiot Nazis are probably left disposing as that.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry?
alex jones
They have their right to.
Everybody gets to speak.
What does Bill Maher's quote in the back of my book say?
Alex Jones gets to speak.
Everybody gets to speak.
The Great Awakening is my new book.
jordan holmes
Start shipping in six days.
Oh my god!
dan friesen
Yeah, hell yeah.
Sales pitch for the book.
jordan holmes
That was a...
Man, you know, I should have seen that pitch coming.
I should have.
dan friesen
I understand that free speech rules are meant to protect abhorrent speech.
That's definitely true.
Although I do have a question if heiling Hitler at a Jewish center is necessarily protected speech.
I don't know if...
I think that might be an action that might fall under the category of fighting words, kind of.
jordan holmes
Hmm.
I mean...
What?
Okay.
Go up to...
Go behind somebody who's showering, holding a knife, and then start going...
unidentified
But don't actually hit them.
jordan holmes
See, that's speech.
dan friesen
Sure.
I mean, there is a line.
unidentified
If that's a protest against something, I guess.
dan friesen
Because you could make the erroneous and bad argument that these people were engaging in a form of protest.
jordan holmes
Yeah, which they were not doing.
dan friesen
No, certainly not.
But you could make that argument if you're trying to find a way to defend this on speech grounds.
That's all I'm saying.
jordan holmes
The nicest you could be is that they were trying to intimidate.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
The nicest.
dan friesen
Yes.
And whether or not that intimidation is crossing a line of free speech, that is another question.
However, also in Australia, not sure exactly if they have the exact same constitution as us.
jordan holmes
I bet they don't.
dan friesen
Probably not.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, Alex, he's always right.
He always predicts stuff.
You put a quarter in that prediction jar every time Alex is right about something.
So he predicted this attack in Israel.
jordan holmes
The meme and the prediction machine.
dan friesen
Yep.
alex jones
There's a new video.
It's only 28 seconds long from September 7th, a little more than a month ago, where I predicted attacks on Jews to bring in the New World Order tyranny.
That clip's now going viral.
We'll play that here in a few minutes.
But let me get to these clips and back to your clip.
dan friesen
So there's an almost 12-minute video of Alex allegedly predicting an attack on Israel on Bandot Video, but there's not one that's 28 seconds long.
I found that kind of interesting.
What's going on here?
So I went ahead and watched this video, and it's not all about an attack on Israel.
Alex was trying to run cover for the neo-Nazi groups that were popping up last month, and people were discussing.
He was trying to claim that these groups were fronts for the ADL, and the fact that they were appearing in public was a precursor to one of them carrying out an attack on a U.S. synagogue or school.
He was predicting violence against Jewish people, but the context was entirely different.
Alex is very obviously dealing with his entire world event by making it about himself.
The Hamas attack into Israel is about trying to take his guns.
The ADL is saying everything is anti-Semitic to make Alex feel bad.
He's so right about everything that he predicted this, uh, last month.
It's a really grotesque way to engage with the world, but it's very in line with Alex's narcissism.
He's playing out his fantasies of everything being about him in front of his wide audience, and it's fascinating that anyone thinks they're watching anything deeper than that.
It should be a huge tip-off that Alex is really just about self-aggrandizement if you watch this video that purports to have predicted the attack, and you'll see it's a completely unrelated context.
Alex and his staff took the time to find this clip, isolate it, and post it on his website with the headline, Alex predicts attacks on Israel, specifically so they could drive traffic to Infowars under false pretenses.
That should be a fucking lightbulb moment, but if that big...
Book infomercial that he did while the attack was unfolding wasn't enough to wake people up.
I don't know if anything will.
I think we're done.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex plays the clip.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
The 28 second clip.
jordan holmes
The clip that's about how Alex predicted white people would pretend to be...
unidentified
No, no.
dan friesen
At this point...
No.
At this point in the video, Alex is pretending that this clip...
Is him predicting an attack on Israel.
jordan holmes
Right, but the actual clip is about neo-Nazis.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But we don't know that yet.
alex jones
Right.
We're going to go back to Owl Killer here in a moment, but here's just a short 28-second clip.
I'll show you the Twitter account.
It's noncompliant at fluoridatedmine.
And we should actually find the full clip from September last month, a little over a month ago, I guess 34 days ago, where I laid it all out.
And predicted attacks on Jews.
Here it is.
Those are Nazis about to kill Jews.
You must silence everyone that opposes our agenda of surveillance and censorship or you're going to kill Jews.
Now what's the next move?
The false flag.
If I was Jewish, I would not have my kids in any big synagogue or any big school.
You're about to get hit.
It's your whole future.
It's the whole future of the species and our children and their children.
We're being turned into factory farm slaves.
The very rights over our bodies is being assaulted like never before.
Now, as I continue to do this, the media says, Jones throws a lot on the wall and sees what'll stick.
Oh, like when I said Russia one day by the end of February last year.
dan friesen
Alex didn't predict the Russian invasion.
He was all over the place in his predictions, most of which were actually about China.
And even as the invasion was happening, he said that it wasn't going to be a full invasion and that Zelensky was on Putin's payroll so the war would be over in 48 hours.
Alex is full of shit and constantly wrong.
I wanted to play this prediction, though, because it's very manipulative.
First things first, everything Alex says after you're about to be hit comes from another place and was edited into the back of this clip.
It really doesn't serve to strengthen Alex's point, but I'm calling it out because it's a very clear indication that this is a selectively edited clip and some ding-dong on Twitter just put it together.
Now here's where the real sleight of hand is.
Here's how this version of the clip begins.
alex jones
Here it is.
Those are Nazis about to kill Jews.
You must silence everyone that opposes our agenda of surveillance and censorship or you're going to kill Jews.
Now what's the next move?
The false flag.
If I was Jewish, I would not have my kids in any big synagogue or any big school.
You're about to get hit.
dan friesen
Now here's that same section, but without the beginning of Alex's thought being removed.
alex jones
We'll come back, and I'm going to get into the ADL stack.
And when I say ADL stack, it's the UN taking control, it's the WEF taking control of your speech, it's all the admitted censorship, it's all the control, and it's word for word what I've been saying last week with these Nazi groups popping up.
That the ADL is going to come out and say, those are Nazis about to kill Jews.
You must silence everyone that opposes our agenda of surveillance and censorship, or you're going to kill Jews.
Now, what's the next move?
The false flag.
If I was Jewish, I would not have my kids in any big synagogue or any big school.
You're about to get hit.
dan friesen
The beginning part is snipped off and ignored, because when it's there, Alex didn't really make any kind of real prediction.
But if you pretend he didn't say the things he said, you could make it look like he was so prophetic.
This is a really simple card trick that he's playing in order to wow the audience into thinking that he has magical powers.
This clip is from September 6th, which is right after a bunch of neo-Nazis demonstrated in Orlando near Disney World.
It was super important for Alex to preemptively paint them as false flags in case they carried out any violence, which is what he was doing in the clip that's now being used to pretend that he made an accurate prediction.
This shit is a game to Alex, and it's deeply disrespectful to the seriousness of the times.
People are suffering and dying, and he's trying to make you think he can see the future by lying about what he said in the past.
It's fucking disgraceful.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they might as well just have him...
I mean, he should just do a voiceover session one day where he just goes...
And I believe that the next people to attack Israel will be blank.
And then just fills him out, and then they can just edit it in whenever he needs it.
And they'll post a clip online that says he predicted it.
dan friesen
Look, here's the thing.
I was looking at the comments on that video, on band.video, and all of them are like, fuck you, Alex, which is great, because it seems like the public opinion may be not positive.
jordan holmes
Turning on him, yeah.
dan friesen
They were like, who cares if you predict things?
What does this even mean?
There's stuff like that.
jordan holmes
All right, well, that's the wrong, but okay.
dan friesen
One of the comments was accusing him of making a deepfake, and it's not, but...
Why doesn't he?
jordan holmes
Yeah, it might as well be.
dan friesen
At this point, he's misrepresenting the things.
jordan holmes
It would make so much more sense.
dan friesen
He is manipulating in some way the things that were said in the past in order to suit his purposes in the present.
Why not just make it up whole cloth?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It doesn't matter.
He can say it was from a special report they didn't air or something.
Who cares?
jordan holmes
Yeah, he's unnecessary for this operation.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
This is about...
Making the noises that people need to hear at the right time.
Alex doesn't need to actually make those noises.
He's already made enough of the noises.
They can create a vocal profile off of him.
And then just do the thing.
And then anybody can be a racist like Alex.
dan friesen
So from here, Alex gets confusing.
I think.
jordan holmes
This is because he was making sense before.
alex jones
I have been nice.
And I've had so many Jewish people come to me in the grocery store.
Airports.
Oh, Alex, we love you.
A lot of them are ascetic Jews, you know, in their conservative attire.
And I'm like, listen, what have you done for me?
It's like the Bill Maher joke saying Jews complain all day.
Well, I complain way more than any Jew I know.
I'm like, hey, great.
You want to shake my hand and take a picture?
What are you doing for me?
Because I'm not against you and I'm getting attacked.
Well, that's politics, Alex.
We like you.
Okay, great.
I'm under attack, man, so why don't you...
Yeah, exactly.
I didn't do anything to you, and I'm not your enemy, so you need to tell the ADL, stop trying to destroy me and Elon Musk.
Like, well, hey, we're better than the Muslims.
Well, yeah, exactly.
I'm talking to you.
dan friesen
What the fuck is going on?
jordan holmes
That's where the clip ends.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I'm talking to you because you're not a Muslim.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Do you understand?
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
So, okay.
Okay, so you're part of a group.
One out of ten on my hate scale.
dan friesen
Sure.
No, no, because this is a conservative Jew.
jordan holmes
You like me.
dan friesen
This is a conservative Jewish person.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
Which I can totally tell because you said you like me.
dan friesen
Leftist Jews are the ones that are one on the...
jordan holmes
They would never...
We'll just lump all of them in together like Alex seems to want to do with everybody.
But that means I will talk to you and demand things from you.
dan friesen
I demand that in order to shake my hand and take a picture, you must condemn the ADL.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
I need you to destroy the ADL, and then this whole approach of like, what have you done for me lately?
jordan holmes
Wild.
dan friesen
Jewish people.
jordan holmes
Wild.
dan friesen
It's just like, what?
jordan holmes
I mean, first off...
dan friesen
I can't even imagine getting to this point in your head.
jordan holmes
People do not come up to you all the time.
Alex, we're Jewish and we love you.
Don't care.
That doesn't happen.
dan friesen
Probably not.
jordan holmes
But even more importantly, this fantasy is also purely in Alex's head about Alex, though.
You know?
Like, Alex doesn't actually say, what have you done for me?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
He's creating a fictional person that he's...
Embodying, where he's like, yeah.
dan friesen
Anybody who comes up to Alex and says, I like you, he's thrilled.
jordan holmes
But I mean, yeah.
But I mean, in this situation, though, he's creating the protagonist is Alex being an asshole to people who like him.
And he's like, this is what I should do.
Puffing his chest out.
This man's insane.
dan friesen
Yeah.
That's something I've been saying for a while.
jordan holmes
I'm starting to come around on it.
dan friesen
Yeah, so he gets into his feelings a little bit more, and I would describe this as a bit of a meltdown, where he's wrestling with the idea that he doesn't owe the Jews anything, which is...
jordan holmes
You could say none of this.
dan friesen
It would be very easy.
jordan holmes
You could say so little.
dan friesen
And then he compares himself to Jewish people in the Holocaust.
jordan holmes
Great!
alex jones
My grandfather stood up for the Jews.
Both of them almost out of the Army Air Corps.
And I don't claim you owe me some debt, but at the same time...
jordan holmes
That's already a claim!
alex jones
And I am tired of being attacked.
And the white supremacists make a joke.
Oh, Jones pleads to his masters.
Screw you.
Half those white supremacist groups are funded by the feds.
I'm not even having a debate with them.
I'm having a real debate with people that say they're smart.
Do I deserve this?
Why do conservatives who've done nothing to Israel deserve to be persecuted and attacked like Hitler did in the beginning?
I'm not comparing what's happening to conservatives to what Hitler did, but if you follow 1933 to 1943, when he really starts murdering everybody, we're deplatforming, putting us in ghettos, lying about us, demonizing us.
No, we're actually on the same track here.
And so I'm like saying, hey!
You need to get behind Trump in America.
And a lot of Jews will say we are.
Okay, great.
I'm talking to you because I think you'll listen to me.
I'm not talking to the Muslims.
I can convince them of anything.
I'm talking to you because I think you can listen to what I'm telling you.
Okay?
dan friesen
More than almost any recent episode, I don't really have much to say about a lot of the clips that we have.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
They're so transparently and self-evidently fucked up.
I don't know what commentary I can add to this.
It's just almost like a reporting of, he said these things.
jordan holmes
And it's hard to believe.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's difficult to believe that these things could be said.
Let alone that someone would say them out loud.
Let alone that someone would say them out loud in front of people.
Let alone that someone would say them and broadcast them to a large number of people.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's a lot of things that didn't need to happen.
dan friesen
And the way that he feels kind of...
At the mercy of his feelings.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
The way that he's being blown around by the wind of his own anger and hate just feels so fucked up.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there is like a...
It does feel like there is something just deeper than just like your generalized racism going on here.
There is something that is fundamental to the Israel conflict.
And the way he interacts with Judaism as a concept that is irreconcilable.
dan friesen
Well, one of the things is that his entire ideology and his worldview grows out of deeply anti-Semitic places.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Has to.
So much of the ideology and the conspiracies are based around false images that are derived from places like the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
Sure.
Simultaneously, so many of his forefathers and the people who were part of these patriot communities were fighting against a Zionist-occupied government.
They were very clearly anti-Semites.
And so much of his worldview has that baked into it.
There is so much of a feeling about Israel, one way or another, in that world.
And he's tortured by that.
Somewhat.
jordan holmes
I mean, I think he doesn't want to be an anti-Semite, and he can't figure out how not to be.
dan friesen
Because the world that he's in is intrinsically anti-Semitic.
jordan holmes
He is anti-Semitic.
dan friesen
Yes.
All of his ideology surrounding the globalists, everything about the characterizations that he has of the globalists, the conspiracies that have been...
Passed down over time.
The blood libel stuff.
Well poisoning.
All kinds of this stuff.
These are remnants of anti-Semitic canards over time.
And so he can't escape that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
No, it is.
If he was to go on your trope ayahuasca journey, it would be him being like, oh.
I hate the Jews.
Like, that's the realization that gets through the cognitive dissonance that is destroying him.
dan friesen
You forget how close we were to that.
Mankow was going on Iowa.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, that's true.
That's true.
That's right.
dan friesen
No, but I think that there is something to that, and that there may be a part of him that knows that it is wrong.
jordan holmes
It's wrong to hate the Jews.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he can process that.
dan friesen
But his world is so...
jordan holmes
He hates the Jews.
dan friesen
He would have to give up on so much of what is himself.
jordan holmes
He cannot do both.
dan friesen
And I don't think he realizes that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he can't.
dan friesen
Then simultaneously, he really hates Muslims.
jordan holmes
Really hates Muslims.
dan friesen
And he also comes from a time where he came to prominence after 9-11.
And in order to be against Bush, and the easiest way to support opposition to the war in Iraq was condemning the rank Islamophobia that was going on in the time.
And so a big part of his early brand as he was coming to the forefront was a non-Islamophobic voice on the right.
jordan holmes
Now he's trying to make up for lost time.
dan friesen
Well, I'm not sure if that's what it is.
Sure.
unidentified
He's just a man that's...
dan friesen
Just is off.
He's not...
He can't have a harmonious whole.
jordan holmes
No, he can't.
dan friesen
Because of who he is.
jordan holmes
He can never exist within himself as a human being.
As a whole.
He will always be irrevocably broken.
dan friesen
And there may be some parts of him that actually does want to be anti-Semitic too, but it's anti-Semitic towards specific Jewish people that he feels like are okay to be targets of anti-Semitism.
He can throw anti-Semitic attacks at the leftist Jews who don't like him.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And he doesn't see that as anti-Semitic.
Right.
jordan holmes
Inexplicable.
dan friesen
So there is a part of it that he doesn't mind being it also.
So I think that that's a part of it.
He's just...
jordan holmes
I mean, it is...
It's like, listen, man, give up on either not hating the Jews or on everything you believe.
dan friesen
Well, unfortunately, if he gives into the, like, just being an out-and-out anti-Semite, he does probably lose a fair amount of his...
jordan holmes
Sure, but then he just needs to admit it to himself.
dan friesen
But he's also incredibly, oh, but then the tension of him trying to pretend not to be on air all the time, I think would be, well, it would be about the same as now.
jordan holmes
That's what I'm saying!
See, it would be the same, but he wouldn't be emotionally destroyed by it.
He would be professionally struggling with it.
Whereas this really feels like it hurts him to be a Nazi.
dan friesen
There is more, like...
Close to sincere feeling than there have been in so many shows in the past.
jordan holmes
It's weird.
It's weird.
dan friesen
So in this next clip, I want you to pay attention to how Alex kind of slips between saying leftist Jews and globalists.
Ah, what are you going to do?
That's interesting.
unidentified
Ah, what are you going to do?
alex jones
All I want is prosperity and justice and freedom for everybody.
And to have your culture, I respect all your cultures.
Islam is blasting, taking over.
You have like six kids.
I respect you, but you don't respect me.
You talk about how I will submit to you.
No, I'm not going to.
And that goes for the leftist Jews that think they're going to create some kumbaya thing where we all have one culture and somehow you run it or some leftist group, some black rock.
Man, that's not going to work.
We're diverse.
We're separate.
We're different groups.
Leave us alone.
Israel's made dozens of runs at the Orthodox Jews.
jordan holmes
I don't even know what that means.
alex jones
And takes their kids and everything else.
It's leave the Orthodox Jews alone.
Leave the Christians alone.
Leave the Catholics alone.
Leave us alone.
Leave us alone.
And then you can have your life and we'll have ours.
Just leave our children alone.
Leave their penises alone.
Leave their vaginas alone.
Leave their uteruses alone.
I mean, literally, the globalists literally want our children's future.
And does anybody think, in this fight, anybody's safe?
dan friesen
So you see the slippin'.
He's complaining throughout a fair amount of that about leftist Jewish people.
And then the globalists.
And it's because they're interchangeable.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Alex doesn't want that to be true.
Or at least he doesn't want people to think that's true.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
But that's pretty much what's going on.
jordan holmes
It's just...
It is impossible to avoid that as fact.
And if it is fact for him, then I think it's safe to assume it's fact for...
His best buds.
dan friesen
Well, and that's why you get the people who are calling in who will say stuff like, I love Alex, but why won't he just name the Jews as the people who he's talking about?
And it's because stuff like this.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
It's very obvious that these are terms that, first of all, have a historical lineage, and then second of all, have rhetorical equivalents in Alex's usage.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
The audience gets it.
Alex just pretends that...
It's not the case.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's sad.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
So Alex shoots it straight, despite all of the evidence to the contrary.
alex jones
We're going into a full world war.
And the powerful globalist forces in control of this think we're all a bunch of dumb animals.
They're going to get away with this, but they're not.
jordan holmes
Wait, what?
alex jones
So we're strapped to this runaway train together.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
That's why I respect everybody.
That's why I tell you straight what I think.
jordan holmes
Is that what you're doing?
dan friesen
Because I respect you.
alex jones
And I want you to know what I'm saying.
I want you to hear me talk straight to you.
unidentified
Straight.
alex jones
Like, hey, I'm talking straight to you.
Here's how I've been abused.
Here's what's been done to me.
I'm complaining.
I'm tired of this.
I don't appreciate this.
I don't deserve this.
And your problem is not everybody is as smart as I am.
And the level of anger by Christians and by white people of being abused by this media, this government, is outrageous.
And, you know, the ADL, the Democratic Party, they think they got this all figured out.
You don't have anything figured out.
You're the dumbest people I've ever seen in my life.
Because I've learned no matter how badass you are, there's always somebody who can kick your ass.
And you guys are conjuring up a monster.
dan friesen
This is really standard authoritarian kind of rhetoric.
The people pointing out oppression are creating it by criticizing the people who are supposed to be in charge and above criticism.
It's very clear to see that what Alex is talking about is basically meant as a threat.
You're acting out of your station, and Alex speaks on behalf of white Christians that they will not tolerate this much longer.
Also, this is super whiny and self-aggrandizing.
Still, everything is about Alex and how he feels like he's been unfairly treated.
He's smart, though, so he'll just complain about this on air and make millions of dollars while encouraging acts of terrorism against fellow citizens.
The rest of the white Christian population, they're not as smart, though, so they might just take matters into their own hands and attack you pretty violently.
I'd sure hate for that to happen, so maybe you should do exactly what I say.
That's kind of the vibe that's going on here.
This is fucking ridiculous.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but...
dan friesen
But he's shooting straight!
jordan holmes
You know what I really like about it?
dan friesen
What's that?
jordan holmes
What I really like about my fascist protection racket threats is when they're delivered by the whiniest of goons.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
You know, like...
Every time I've always seen in those movies where they're like, hey, if you don't pay your money, then maybe something bad will happen to you here.
It was always in a sense of like, hey, we're all somewhat jovial about this.
This is fucked up.
But what are we going to do?
We're all just coming to work today.
That kind of thing.
dan friesen
Hey, we need to go get the protection money.
jordan holmes
Not like somebody going up and just being like, I really need your money and I hate that I have to do this because it makes me feel bad to take your money from you and you're making me do that.
Please don't make it.
Give me your money sooner because I'm so sad that I have to take your money from you.
dan friesen
Don Corleone, why did you send Johnny the whiner again?
jordan holmes
That would be a pretty serious torture.
dan friesen
You were supposed to pick up some money.
unidentified
You said self-persecuting Vinny over there.
dan friesen
Why'd you do that?
jordan holmes
Solipsistic Sal won't stop leaving me.
dan friesen
It's just...
jordan holmes
The worst.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's the worst.
unidentified
The worst.
dan friesen
So I'm going to skip this next clip because it's really just a caller asking if Biden and Iran will team up to do some false flags in order to stop the next election from happening.
jordan holmes
Answer yes, lightning round.
dan friesen
Yeah, of course.
jordan holmes
Next question.
dan friesen
So Alex gets another call, and this was fun.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
All right.
alex jones
Daryl in Missouri, you're on the air.
Go ahead.
unidentified
Hello.
Thanks for taking the call, Alex.
I'm Missouri Battle Flag on Twitter, and I have a lawsuit against the ADL.
And I'd like folks to look it up all reposted at the top of my page.
alex jones
Well, I'd like to buy you a chicken fried steak if you were here with me.
Tell me about it.
jordan holmes
Not a reward.
unidentified
Well, I talked to you about four months ago, and you asked me if I was in the Klan, and I'm not.
And I think we have to, you know, you were saying, let's not kill people, and you had a whole list there, and I'd say, let's not kill the Muslims either.
And, you know, they're calling them animals.
And I'm accused of being a racist hater, and that's not true.
And I'd like people to read my complaint.
They've put a motion to dismiss forward, and it's really a summary judgment.
I'm a pro se attorney.
alex jones
Well, why did I ask you if you were in the Klan?
I mean, here's the deal.
The Klan's fed run.
unidentified
They have a picture of me at a Klan rally where some, I don't know.
alex jones
I don't remember.
unidentified
Oh boy.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So this is Daryl McClanahan, and we covered him- I remember this one.
Yeah, the last time he called in.
jordan holmes
I remember, because that button got me the last time, too.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Never not.
dan friesen
I'm not going to get too far into him again, but he may just be underselling the whole being pictured doing a Nazi salute at a Klan rally thing.
He forgot to mention that he's doing it next to a guy in a full-hooded Klan robe, and that they're standing in front of a burning cross.
jordan holmes
And again, he said Heil Christ again.
He didn't say, he didn't figure it out this time.
dan friesen
He also failed to mention that he was a member of the League of the South and that he has a VK social media account that's full of racial slurs and anti-Semitic depictions of Jewish people.
And that he'd been a guest on a radio show hosted by a noted Klan member called Eurofolk Radio.
You may recall him also as the person who ran for a U.S. House seat in 2022 and ended up having to do a write-in campaign because he lost the Republican primary and he came out with a total of one vote.
jordan holmes
So close.
dan friesen
Anyway, I guess he's now suing the ADL, which is going to turn out great.
jordan holmes
I think he's got a shot.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Definitely.
jordan holmes
I think this one's...
I'm such a huge fan of the...
dan friesen
I was heiling Christ!
jordan holmes
I love it.
I just...
It just doesn't get any funnier than that, that you think that that's a distinction.
dan friesen
Your Honor.
jordan holmes
You're sitting here just going like, hey, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
I only wanted to kill most of the Jews.
Completely different.
dan friesen
Your Honor, I wasn't in the Klan.
I was at a Klan rally.
jordan holmes
Did I just do Brian Regan?
What just happened to me?
dan friesen
Yeah, it was close.
I think that's an interesting distinction.
I was not a member.
jordan holmes
That would be absurd.
Absurd.
I said Heil Christ.
You realize that the issue is given away by the Heil, not the Christ.
dan friesen
So, you know, when somebody says, hey, I called in a while back and you asked me if I was in the Klan, that is a recipe for the call not going well.
It's not going to go, because Alex is now like, why did I do that?
It hasn't been for a reason.
jordan holmes
It did feel like Alex was like, well, maybe I need to walk this back.
I was probably in a bad mood.
dan friesen
No chicken fried steak for you, man.
jordan holmes
Just calling people.
Oh, I was telling everybody they were in the Klan that day.
And then he's like, I took a picture saying, God damn it, you are in the Klan!
dan friesen
Shit.
So this dude, they have their call, and then it ends with him asking Alex not to say penis or vagina because his kids listen.
And it sends Alex into an entire tailspin that lasts like 10 minutes about how everyone gets mad at him for covering the contents that are in books like Gender Queer.
How's he supposed to tell you what's in there if he can't say what's in there?
Leaving aside that he literally never covers any of those books in any detail other than his own grotesque rambling fantasies.
This rant, unfortunately, leads to a pretty sad conclusion.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
alex jones
And then you call me, and I'm not mad at you.
I'm not mad at you.
jordan holmes
You clan member.
alex jones
But you call me and say, my children are listening, and I wish you wouldn't.
This is not a show for children.
You should listen to the show, take clips you want, that you think they can listen to, you curate, you decide what they hear, not me.
I'm talking to adults, and I'm not mad at you, but I'm...
Pissed.
dan friesen
Ladies and gentlemen, this is no longer a family show.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
We're going to have to change our logo.
It says this is a family show on it.
This is an adult show now.
jordan holmes
This is no longer.
dan friesen
It's an end of an era.
jordan holmes
I mean, this is...
You've got to give us warning.
Right?
Like, isn't that a standards and practices thing?
We need to negotiate a new contract here.
dan friesen
Until this exact moment, I was under the impression that this was a family show.
jordan holmes
This was a family show.
dan friesen
Where he just constantly ranted about incredibly grotesque topics that no children should be listening to.
jordan holmes
Unreal.
dan friesen
But no, it's an adult show now.
jordan holmes
I do appreciate a horrendous parent.
A horrendous parent.
dan friesen
A guy who might hail Christ in front of a burning flag?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Just being like, hey, listen.
Gotta think of my children.
Don't say penis or vagina.
dan friesen
Please.
jordan holmes
Heil Christ.
dan friesen
Think of the kids.
unidentified
Oh, God.
dan friesen
I just flashed back to, like, there was a time when Alex would, like, get mad when people said, damn, on air.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I know.
So weird.
You know what?
It's really just indicative of how society is just...
It's like, you know, back in my day, people used to not say a lot of swear words, and now you can just say them in school to your teacher.
The other day, I heard it.
Somebody say, oh, teacher poop.
dan friesen
It's true.
jordan holmes
Whatever.
dan friesen
So Alex is just wholly fucked up by this...
Possible Klan member saying...
Well, not a member, but you know what I mean.
jordan holmes
Not a dues-paying member, but a friend of the...
dan friesen
This guy saying that he shouldn't say penis or vagina for the kid's sake leads Alex down this like...
I see all this horrible stuff that I can't replay on my show and all this.
I can't tell you the devilry that's going on because standards and practices and what have you.
jordan holmes
This has been a very whiny show.
dan friesen
Yes.
Yes, it is.
And so it leads him into talking about some of his old sources like Ted Gunderson.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
I said I got loaded phones and I do.
I just want to take your calls.
But, man, just look.
Ted Gunderson, who was the head of the FBI in Southern California, who was in line with the FBI director, he ran Cointelpro.
He's famous, okay?
He's dead now.
Bladder cancer.
He told me in 1997 at dinner in Austin, Texas.
He stayed at my house that night.
He told me they sell kids in auctions and they traffic them all over the world.
And I didn't think he was wrong because I knew he was very credible.
And later it all came out he was right.
And then eight years ago, When my uncle was dying of pneumonia before he passed out and died five days later, he told me, he grabbed me by the arm, and he said, you're right.
I was there running operations in Central America.
I was in charge of all the airfields and operations, but I wasn't involved in the actual operations on the ground, just the logistics.
dan friesen
Oh.
alex jones
And they were shipping children out of the orphanages in Central and South America.
dan friesen
Ted Gunderson is a completely not credible person who's mixed up in the satanic panic of the 80s and 90s as well as the McMartin preschool case.
He's the last person anybody should be listening to.
That being said, I have to say that Alex's uncle is a complete piece of shit.
If what Alex is saying is true, then he was actively involved in human trafficking and then was complicit in covering it up until the moment of his death, at which point he made a confession to Alex, the last person anyone would take seriously if he were actually interested in his past crimes being addressed.
For what it's worth, I don't believe that story at all, because the more likely scenario is that Alex's uncle didn't say this, but Alex is such a horrible person that he has no qualms evoking his dead relative in order to lend some piece of bullshit he's trying to sell the audience some credibility.
It's either that or Alex's uncle is a really, really bad guy.
Yeah, I'd say both.
Probably just the lying one.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I mean, what a...
If that's the one story that's true, though, what a piece of shit.
dan friesen
Alex's uncle?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Deathbed confessions don't count.
dan friesen
Well, unless...
jordan holmes
Like, they don't count.
dan friesen
Well, the only...
jordan holmes
I don't count that.
dan friesen
The only exception I'll give is if it's like...
Somebody who had to kill someone in self-defense or something and then lied about it or something and then on the deathbed just want to let it off their chest.
jordan holmes
I see it the same way as Emily Dickinson.
Sure, maybe you don't want to face responsibility for what you did during your lifetime.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
But then you have to die believing that you don't get the last moment where you go, well, I'm free now.
dan friesen
I'm actually a good person.
jordan holmes
Emily Dickinson doesn't get a moment where everybody goes, oh, you're a good poet.
No, she died in ignominy and will never be remembered.
Well, I mean, she won't know that she's remembered forever and ever.
That's what needs to happen.
No more death combat confessions.
dan friesen
I will say that this one is particularly upsetting because the theoretical children that he could have saved by...
Not being quiet about this.
I mean, that's kind of on him a little bit.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Alex's uncle is a monster.
jordan holmes
He's a real piece of shit.
Through and through.
dan friesen
Basically.
jordan holmes
That makes sense where, you know, you get Alex.
dan friesen
So anyway, is Alex's uncle's material too hot for television?
I can't say penis or vagina on the show.
Can I tell you what my uncle told me?
jordan holmes
Americans are more comfortable with violence than they are with sex.
dan friesen
That is true.
But here's where we're going to end our coverage with Alex being a whiny little baby.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, much like we began.
alex jones
He want me to get on air and tell you what he told me?
Or is it too scary for everybody that William Forrest Hammond, super decorated Vietnam combat vet helicopter pilot, clandestine operations.
You know, secret army officer, Latin America, all of it.
And he did all this stuff with the government.
He shipped.
He told my mother this.
She doesn't want me to talk about it.
But he did what he was told in Vietnam.
He was in Laos and Cambodia.
He ran operations with opium.
He did what he was ordered to do.
He did it all, folks, because he thought it was some greater good.
And then he finally saw kids being loaded on C-130s.
Little five-year-old, six-year-old kids.
And he said, what is this?
And they said, shut your mouth.
Shut up.
And then they tried to kill him and his partner and some of his guys that were under him.
They tried to kill them all.
jordan holmes
With what?
alex jones
And I picked him up when I was like eight years old off of C-130 in Dallas Air Force Base.
And he came off in a wheelchair on that thing.
They shot him up and killed his aide to camp.
And that's how real this is.
And am I not supposed to sit here and tell you what they did and tell you who they are and tell you what they're doing?
How do I do that for you?
How do I do that?
unidentified
I don't know how to thread that needle.
alex jones
So fine, I won't mention what they do to the kids.
They'll just keep doing it forever.
You're right.
Stations are right.
Everybody's right.
We won't talk about it.
We'll just ignore it and let it keep happening.
I promise you, we won't talk about it anymore, okay?
jordan holmes
Grow the fuck up.
dan friesen
I actually thought of a third option.
And that is that none of it's true, but Alex's uncle was fucking with him.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah, that's also possible.
dan friesen
Not fucking with him just for fun, but maybe he's just a crazy person.
jordan holmes
I will accept deathbed eternal pranks.
Those are great.
You'll never face the consequences for your actions, and no one will ever know if it was truly a prank or not.
That's what you gotta have.
dan friesen
I mean, it's deeply abusive.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, but you won't have to feel the after effects.
dan friesen
I have to be opposed to this.
But, I...
Here's what I will never accept.
jordan holmes
So that was just previously a real conversation?
Yes.
dan friesen
Here's what doesn't happen.
Okay.
The globalists and the government are trafficking children through this clandestine operation.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Some guy who knows all about it says, what the fuck is going on here?
And they're like, shut your mouth.
And then he's to the point where they shoot him up and kill his aide to camp?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
They don't kill him too?
Come on.
jordan holmes
Get the fuck out of here.
dan friesen
You don't leave a dangling thread.
jordan holmes
I just want...
And I don't want this...
dan friesen
I'm going to start calling you my aide-de-camp, by the way.
jordan holmes
I really wish you wouldn't.
I'm getting very uncomfortable, Napoleon.
Because I'm going to have to start calling you Mr. Peabody.
Sure.
I don't understand.
How we can live with this whiny man being so often forced into my face is like, look at how brave he is.
Look at how brave Alex is to stand up to the unrelenting slings and arrows of outrageous misfortune that Alex must deal with.
I mean, as we all know after listening to this episode...
The year, the week of our Lord, starting Monday the 16th, obviously the people suffering the most are Alex.
dan friesen
I mean, how could it not be?
jordan holmes
There's no other way to explain it, given how much time he spent on his own show covering the number of people who are suffering, of which there is only one.
dan friesen
I mean, wow.
I mean, other people are suffering, sort of, but not to the extent that Alex is suffering.
jordan holmes
But they have it coming.
Alex is the only one who doesn't deserve the suffering.
dan friesen
It's so wrong what's happened to him.
I gotta say, as we have reached the end of this, I don't know if I have done the best job of covering his positions and where they are deeply anti-Semitic and deeply Islamophobic.
Because I think a lot of it is very convoluted.
Especially a lot of the things that he has to say at the beginning.
He does not...
Have any differentiation for anybody who is Muslim.
They are all unified, one thing.
And that's complicated.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Because when you're talking about things as they exist in the real world, it's not as easy as that.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And so trying to apply the real world situation to his use of language is incredibly difficult.
jordan holmes
Yeah, dire.
dan friesen
And then, at the same time...
He has such a difficult time figuring out how to be specific about Israeli governmental policies, Israel, Jewish people as a whole, leftist Jews that he's really mad at, conservative Jewish people who want to take pictures with him but haven't done enough for him lately.
It's very confusing, and I apologize if there's any points at which I didn't...
I'm sure there were some very offensive things that didn't even ding on our radar.
Right.
unidentified
But at the end of the day, the.
dan friesen
impression that I would like to leave people with is how offensive it is that this is so Right.
Perceived victimhood.
Other people's plight is only relevant in as much as it somehow intersects with his own feelings.
And that is pretty gross.
jordan holmes
I mean, I would say that stepping back from the content of his clips, right?
Like, remembering that Alex's intent with these words is to conceal or at the very least obscure...
What we've seen are almost universally inhuman positions.
So this was the job he did trying to convince you he's not a bad guy.
That's what he came up with.
dan friesen
I mean, all I can think of is that Mission Accomplished banner behind Bush, because it's as accurate.
jordan holmes
You gotta say, it's right on.
It's right on.
Wow.
That's the...
dan friesen
I'm not a bad guy as I make geopolitical tragedy about myself.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's him threading the needle.
That is him being like...
Ooh, nailed it.
Got through that one and I didn't offend anybody.
dan friesen
That's the part I wonder about.
Like, does he ever...
I can't imagine him caring about his show after he ends the show.
jordan holmes
He has to walk away and pretend that it never happened, right?
dan friesen
I have to imagine.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because it would be so difficult to keep doing it if you left and you're like, oof, with that one again.
jordan holmes
Imagine waking up the next day and being like, I'm going to try and do it better today.
No, you can't.
dan friesen
You can't.
jordan holmes
You cannot.
unidentified
Hmm.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Well, it's dark.
jordan holmes
I'm telling you, bad vibes, man.
dan friesen
Bad vibes all around.
There's a gloominess here in Chicago.
It's cloudy.
jordan holmes
My wife isn't feeling well.
dan friesen
Bad vibes.
jordan holmes
Just bad vibes.
dan friesen
Anyway.
jordan holmes
Anyway.
dan friesen
We come to the end of this, and fuck you, Alex, for your behavior and for the sort of...
Thoughts of incompatibility of Muslims.
jordan holmes
I mean...
dan friesen
The dual loyalty bullshit you're throwing around.
All this stuff is deeply, deeply troubling.
jordan holmes
Yeah, this one is a real Gestalt Alex is Evil episode.
dan friesen
You know what?
It's interesting, though, too.
The day of, on the 7th, that Saturday, him doing that book infomercial is a new depth of...
Cynical and crass and disgusting.
This isn't.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
It's very, very bad.
It's a pretty blunt and overt version of stuff that's in his real offensive wheelhouse.
But it's somehow in some ways more difficult.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because it's a little realer.
jordan holmes
I mean, you know, I'm trying to put it in terms of performance.
I'm thinking about baseball, and I'm thinking about this kind of show, and how I would classify it.
And there's a part of me that thinks, this is a show that is analogous to him having a day where it's like, oh, he went two for four with two doubles.
This was a heavy-hitting day.
But at the same time, it's so terrible and awful and miserable.
That I feel like it should be more like, oh, he went 0 for 4 with three strikeouts.
You know, like that kind of thing.
But that suggests that it's a low energy.
You know what I mean?
Like, it's difficult.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's hard to explain exactly what you or I even mean by any of this.
But it's like, that show where he did the infomercial was so shocking that it almost seemed surreal.
Whereas this isn't, there's no surreality to this.
We know that a lot of these positions are the things that Alex...
Believes.
But a lot of the times, he, like you said, obscures these positions.
Yeah.
And doesn't say, he doesn't say regularly, like, fuck you Muslims, you're not compatible with the West.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, he will try and couch these positions pretty regularly.
So it's an extreme version of something that is, like, not as...
Novel, I guess.
jordan holmes
I would say, yeah, no, I'm going to take it back.
None of this 0 for 4, none of this.
This is Casey at the bat.
Every time he is given an opportunity to swing at a pitch, he misses so horrifically, like rolls a critical one and just, but just, it's awful.
It's awful.
Spins himself into the dirt.
dan friesen
Like Bugs Bunny.
jordan holmes
And then...
Let's do it again.
And he does the same thing all over again.
It's amazing.
dan friesen
So we'll be back to do it all over again for another episode.
But until then, Jordan, we have a website.
jordan holmes
Indeed we do.
It's knowledgefight.com.
dan friesen
Yep, we're also on Twitter.
jordan holmes
We are on Twitter.
It's at knowledge underscore fight.
dan friesen
Yep, we're also on Twitter.
Wait, I said that already.
jordan holmes
Yes, you did.
dan friesen
We'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DCX Clarks.
I almost wanted to take on me again.
jordan holmes
You were so close.
I almost did it.
Woo, yeah!
dan friesen
Woo, yeah!
jordan holmes
And now here comes the sex robots.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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