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Aug. 23, 2023 - Knowledge Fight
02:33:18
#841: Like A Pearl Before A Swine

In this installment, a listener recommends Dan and Jordan cover an interview where Alex fields questions from a YouTuber who is completely oblivious to any of the things Alex believes or promotes, yet thinks he's a very credible source of information. It's all very baffling.

Participants
Main voices
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alex jones
49:22
d
dan friesen
01:00:24
j
jordan holmes
32:30
p
pearl davis
06:46
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donald j trump
00:02
p
pastor david manning
00:02
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steve quayle
00:02
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alex jones
It's time to pray.
donald j trump
I have great respect for knowledge fight.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys.
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
Dan and George.
Knowledge fight.
alex jones
I need money.
Andy in Kansas.
unidentified
Andy in Kansas.
alex jones
Stop it.
Andy in Kansas.
Andy in Kansas.
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding me.
unidentified
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your room.
KnowledgeFight.
alex jones
KnowledgeFight.com.
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to KnowledgeFight.
unidentified
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
unidentified
Dan!
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
I have a quick question for you.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot today, buddy?
dan friesen
My bright spot today, Jordan, is, you know, I've been watching The Challenge, the Real World Road Rules Challenge.
jordan holmes
Sure, of course, yes.
dan friesen
It will always be that to me, much like Sears Tower.
jordan holmes
I mean, the idea of calling it...
dan friesen
It's always the Real World Road Rules Challenge.
jordan holmes
You know what it's called now in the CBS box?
dan friesen
The Great American Challenge?
jordan holmes
No, it's called Challenge USA.
dan friesen
Oh, yeah, that makes sense.
Yeah.
But then it's going to be tough for them to weave in their weird international people, like those Romanians.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
That's on Paramount+.
That's a...
dan friesen
That's a different show.
jordan holmes
That's Global Challenge or whatever it is.
dan friesen
Oh, okay.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
They've got all the challenges that they come together like a Voltron of challenge.
dan friesen
Man, I watched that season with the Romanians in it, and I like them.
jordan holmes
They're great.
dan friesen
Yeah.
My brother was born in Bucharest, so I have a kinship with the Romanians.
jordan holmes
They're great.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Emmy.
jordan holmes
They're so fun.
They're so fun.
dan friesen
And that weird guy with all the tattoos.
unidentified
Easy.
jordan holmes
Covered in a lot of tattoos.
dan friesen
But I've been watching the show and my bright spot is the music that they play whenever they're going to the club.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's always the same song.
It's very annoying, but it started to become almost like parody for me.
jordan holmes
It is a little bit like a Pavlovian, like, ooh, we're going...
It's almost like if they played the music for them, that's how they would know they were going.
dan friesen
It's their pop-up jam.
jordan holmes
No, it's like the dong, dong, dong.
Like, that's the correct song to know that, ooh, we get to go to the club now!
dan friesen
Yeah, everyone, put on a silly outfit.
jordan holmes
Exactly, yes.
dan friesen
And I love how they...
I don't think it was this season, but another season, they...
They were forced to party in a globe in the backyard.
jordan holmes
Oh, I recall.
That was a COVID season.
unidentified
I think it was a COVID.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it was a COVID season for sure.
dan friesen
But, like, they're doing things that are obviously for the camera.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's just like, this is the opposite of partying.
This looks terrible.
jordan holmes
It's performative.
dan friesen
Yeah, it is.
It's a performance of party.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
You're having a dance circle, and it's just like, you.
jordan holmes
Oh, sad.
Sad.
dan friesen
Yeah, it makes me feel like, oh, God.
I could never be in that environment.
Because I would ruin everything.
I'd ruin all the fake fun.
jordan holmes
Oh yeah, no.
No chance.
No chance, everyone.
We're puncturing this illusion.
I refuse to participate.
dan friesen
Yeah, or I would get super wasted and go the entire opposite direction and be so into it.
jordan holmes
You would still puncture the illusion, though.
Yeah, probably.
Either way you go, you're going to go in a straight line hard enough to puncture an illusion, Dan.
dan friesen
Yeah, and I've been wondering about how that whole world works.
You and I were talking about, like, how long does it take to film one of these seasons?
It turns out it's about six to eight weeks or so.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that sounds right.
dan friesen
And one of the other things I learned from reading this article was that they're allowed to have, like, beer and vodka.
They're not allowed to have other alcohols because they can't be dyed.
So, like, you always see the bottles of, like, blue or bright red.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
So they dye it so they can't take it out of the house.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And so, like, they can only have clear booze, and so they're just like, only vodka.
And I'm watching it, like, some of these people are gone.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I just think, like, what are you just drinking vodka?
Oh, I guess champagne.
They have champagne a bit, too.
jordan holmes
Well, sure, but I mean, nobody's taking champagne out to, like, get wasted and cause problems in the countryside of Argentina.
dan friesen
They don't leave the house.
jordan holmes
Exactly!
That's what I'm saying!
dan friesen
Except on supervised trips.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I don't know.
dan friesen
But, uh, yeah.
Anyway, the point is that song is annoying as shit.
But I guess it's a bright spot.
I could deal with a little bit less of them partying.
Fake partying.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
A little bit less of that in the show.
Kind of padding the run time a little bit.
jordan holmes
It's real weird.
It's real weird.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It reminds...
It's like they're almost being like, hey, remember where we came from?
We came from being a bunch of assholes who were like 12 years old and partying.
That's where...
That's the show.
That's where we're from.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And then you look at them now and they're like middle-aged, ripped, like, this is our jobs now.
And you can't go back.
You can't go back to like, oh, we're just fun partying.
You can't go back.
dan friesen
And another thing that just happened...
What was that?
So, I'm watching the season now where Ashley gets kicked off.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And they don't make a big deal out of that at all.
You don't see what happened.
She is just gone.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
No one talks about it.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
No one's like, hey, Ashley disappeared.
They just sort of say that she had to leave because she broke a rule.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And so I looked into it, and I'm like, what the fuck happened?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And it turned out she had, like, a verbal altercation with somebody at their fake bar the night before, another cast member.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
I'm like, That had to have been bad.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because they show all kinds of verbal altercations.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
It had to have been something like next level.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
Like murder threats.
They show murder threats.
jordan holmes
They show murder threats?
I think they've even shown like full on, oh, that's a hard R. That person's throwing a hard R around.
dan friesen
There's racism that they'll play, and then it leads to some kind of a conversation in the house, and then someone gets kicked off.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
But this was just no...
Did she scream someone's social security number or something?
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Did she yell out T.J. Lavin's address?
jordan holmes
If there is a way to keep from being on the show, messing with T.J. is probably number one, right?
dan friesen
I guess.
jordan holmes
But usually when they kick somebody off the show, T.J. has to show up and they make a big deal out of it.
Like he's an adult.
dan friesen
He has the best job in the world.
Just come in and shame adults.
jordan holmes
I know.
It's so sad.
I can't believe you guys can't act right.
What are you, TJ?
What do you do?
dan friesen
Hey, that shit doesn't fly, so you gotta leave.
Although, I'll let you come back next season.
jordan holmes
Yeah, right.
Consequences are very liminal here.
dan friesen
Hey, man, what you did is repugnant, and I cannot believe that you would behave this way, and I'm gonna enable it.
jordan holmes
I'll see you next year.
dan friesen
Alright.
jordan holmes
You take care.
dan friesen
Show's a mess.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it really is.
dan friesen
What's your bright spot?
jordan holmes
By bright spot, I mean, also TV-based, however, it is Star Wars, man.
Ahsoka.
Ahsoka Tano.
Her Star Wars series.
dan friesen
Man, a lot of these.
jordan holmes
Rosario Dawson.
Yeah, there is a lot of them.
That's what happens when Disney buys you and then just forces people to crank it out.
dan friesen
I guess there's a lot of Marvel series, too.
That is the way it goes.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean...
dan friesen
Meanwhile, I'm still waiting for a Foghorn Leghorn series.
Wait, is he Disney?
jordan holmes
No, that's Looney Tunes, man.
That's way...
dan friesen
Okay, sorry.
jordan holmes
Come on, that's Warner Brothers.
unidentified
Foghorn Leghorn got kicked off the challenge.
jordan holmes
I'll say, I'll say, I'll say what?
dan friesen
He said some really bad things.
jordan holmes
I bet Foghorn like Horn.
That's the most off-camera.
That's the worst character in the world.
Yeah, no.
That character was created in a cartoon.
It's like, didn't exist in any of the movies.
dan friesen
Right.
And then they brought it to real life?
jordan holmes
Bringing it to real life, starring Rosario Dawson.
dan friesen
Did she do the voice of it originally?
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no, no.
I know it would have been cool, but it showed up in The Mandalorian.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
So they were like, oh, let's cast Rosario Dawson because she's available.
And yeah, it's a great idea.
Looked great.
It was awesome.
Now she gets her own show.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Fantastic.
dan friesen
Are we going to get a Babu Frick series?
jordan holmes
I doubt it.
It's just another name I know.
The problem with it is that if only we could, so then you wouldn't keep saying Babu Frick to me.
dan friesen
It's a fun name.
jordan holmes
I think we could put it behind us.
dan friesen
I don't know if we could.
jordan holmes
I don't know if we can either.
dan friesen
I would have to, for humor, become deeply into that series.
jordan holmes
That would be a necessity.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over.
Interesting.
It'll be something, one way or another.
But before we get to that, let's say hello to some new wonks.
jordan holmes
Well, that's a great idea.
dan friesen
So first, John Demko wonders whether anyone else wonders what Andy from Kansas is up to these days.
Thank you so much for now, Policy Wonk.
alex jones
I'm a Policy Wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much!
dan friesen
I think a lot of people wonder that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Next, finally requesting a shout-out for Ed and Shannon.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Thank you very much!
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, Tank.
You're the best boy in the whole world.
Alex loves you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
You know who's not the best boy in the whole world?
alex jones
Dozer.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
Wait, from The Matrix?
dan friesen
Tank and Dozer.
Weren't they brothers?
jordan holmes
They were brothers.
Yeah.
dan friesen
The shout-out was for Tank.
jordan holmes
Oh, wow.
I'm slow.
I'm slow on the uptake.
dan friesen
Juniper Dune.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much!
dan friesen
And I'm not actually a policy wonk, but now you have to read this whole thing in case it's an elaborate joke name.
Thank you so much.
You're a policy wonk.
alex jones
Gotcha.
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
And we got a technocrat in the mix, Jordan, so thank you so much to Gordo.
It means fat in Spanish and then in parentheses.
Actually, not parentheses.
These are brackets, so that means serious.
That's stage direction.
It says fake laugh.
But I'm not in the business of fake laughing, so you should do it.
You're now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
pastor david manning
Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
alex jones
Daddy Shark.
Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
unidentified
He's a loser little titty baby.
alex jones
I don't want to hate black people.
I renounce Jesus Christ!
dan friesen
I could have done a fake laugh, but I was worried it would hurt my throat.
Yeah.
Because the only fake laugh I can do is really committed.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I think it would have blown my throat out.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I can do...
So that was my fake laugh that was like...
I'm making it clear to you, the person who is not being funny, that I am not enjoying this, correct?
dan friesen
A little subtle.
jordan holmes
Right?
Now, I could have done the maniacal laugh, which I appreciate, but that's always fake.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Have you ever done a genuine maniacal laugh?
unidentified
Hmm.
dan friesen
I'm not sure.
I think maybe.
I mean, I remember back in the days, especially, like, the days of early weed.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Like, the first times you smoked weed.
jordan holmes
Right.
Back in the day.
dan friesen
When you really didn't know, like...
Your bearings at all.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
And something funny happened.
I remember times where I was hurting from laughing so much.
Yeah.
I think I would describe that as maniacal.
jordan holmes
Okay, I can see that.
dan friesen
But it was on performance enhancing drugs.
jordan holmes
That's true.
That's right.
That's right.
Yeah, a maniacal laughter has to be from the heart of, you know, from Hell's Heart, I stab at thee.
That's where the maniacal laugh comes from.
dan friesen
I think generally a true maniacal laugh comes from...
Right.
The fake ones are in movies and stuff.
In real life, it has to come from madness.
You have to have snapped.
jordan holmes
Truly gone off.
And then have embraced it.
Don't drive yourself crazy trying to stop yourself from going insane.
It's that.
Once you've embraced it, then you can maniacally laugh.
dan friesen
Heavy.
So, Jordan, today we're going to be talking about an interview that Alex did with a YouTube channel called Just Pearly Things.
jordan holmes
Interesting.
dan friesen
This was something that a listener sent and said, hey, maybe you should cover this.
And, I don't know.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
I like Wacky Wednesday suggestions.
jordan holmes
Maybe we should cover it.
dan friesen
Especially if they are straight up Alex stuff.
Getting him in other environments is always kind of interesting.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Um, and so, uh, yeah, I decided, what the hell?
jordan holmes
Fuck it!
dan friesen
Let's try it out.
jordan holmes
Let's do it.
dan friesen
So here is the beginning of this, uh, this interview.
jordan holmes
Okay.
pearl davis
What up, guys?
Welcome to the Just Pearly Things YouTube channel, and welcome to The Sit Down.
Today, I have a special guest on the channel I'm so excited for today.
Alex Jones, welcome to the show.
alex jones
It's great to be here.
pearl davis
So I was trying to think of how to introduce you today, and I was thinking the number one conspiracy theorist of all time that happens to be right.
dan friesen
Man, what a good intro.
jordan holmes
This is...
Deeply unsettling right out the gate.
dan friesen
It is.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It is.
This is a YouTuber named, I think Hannah Pearl Davis is her name, but I think she goes by Pearl Davis, and she has a channel called Just Pearly Things.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I'll be the first person to admit that I don't know everything that she's about because she puts out way too much content, and all of her videos have clickbait-ass titles that make it difficult to figure out exactly what the point is going to be without investing or wasting 20 minutes.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Which is the idea.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Her brand is generally described as a female Andrew Tate, but I think that's kind of reductive.
What?
unidentified
They say similar things, and they both have horrible views on women, but Tate is also very clearly a sex criminal.
dan friesen
There's no evidence that Pearl has groomed and entrapped women to perform on CAMF, Right, right, right.
jordan holmes
Which is good!
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah.
unidentified
So one of the reasons I don't know a ton about Pearl is because I don't take her very seriously.
dan friesen
There isn't a ton of depth to anything I've ever seen her say, and generally any time I've seen her come up, it's been very clear attention baiting.
She'll do things like post a picture of herself wearing a shirt that says women shouldn't vote, and then harvest outrage to grow her bloodshed.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's the same kind of clearly attention desperate behavior that I've always, it's always made me steer clear of doing more episodes about Tim Pool.
If you take people like them seriously, you've already Already lost the game.
And that's intentional.
But she interviewed Alex and a listener named Thomas suggested we cover it, so shout out Thomas.
I decided to check it out.
I listened to the interview for a little bit and then realized I should probably try and get a better handle on who this Pearl person was.
I went over to her YouTube channel and sorted out whatever biographical information I could come up with from the stuff she's posted.
Her channel has videos going back about two years, at which point she was a 24-year-old living at home with her parents and nine siblings in a giant mansion.
Her parents are clearly insanely rich, which allowed her to quit a sales job that she didn't like and pursue TikTok and YouTube content creation full time.
Her early content that's posted on the channel is kind of bland.
There's some vlogs, some nonsense stuff with her family, kind of just having fun.
And then the idea of putting it out as a video is another layer of, like, You know, kind of vulnerability.
jordan holmes
There's a lot there that needs to be done outside the view of other human beings.
You know what I mean?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's kind of the thing.
dan friesen
But they say that that's kind of like a good way to get better at sales and talking to people.
It's like, you know, you erode away the, you know, whatever.
jordan holmes
I understand.
dan friesen
All that stuff is good and well.
But, mixed in, you can see videos where she's expressing a budding interest in the manosphere.
unidentified
Gross.
dan friesen
In the chauvinist world online.
jordan holmes
Weird.
dan friesen
She's watching content from people like Kevin Samuels and eventually Jordan Peterson.
And more or less, you see what she's doing is taking on their talking points as her own positions.
And this leads to some trouble, as we will see illustrated in this video clip here from June 26th, 2021.
pearl davis
The stat that I think is misleading is when I hear the stat, 20% of the men have access to 80% of the women.
And when I first heard this stat, okay?
I didn't really question it because enough, like, people that I deemed credible said the stat, right?
Which, you know, I mean, maybe isn't the best way to go about it, but, like, am I going to research every single stat?
Sorry.
I won't.
If someone quotes me, like, Misk says, like, I have something wrong, I'll go research it, but, like, just being honest with my viewership.
dan friesen
So there's a couple of issues with this approach.
The first is that Pearl didn't just believe this stat that she's saying is misleading.
About a month prior, she used this stat as the basis for her video titled Why Women Hate Men and Men Hate Women.
A lot of her videos seem to be like this.
She hears something from some online man-stuff preacher, accepts it without question, and then incorporates that into her content.
The second thing that's troubling about that clip is that it gives a window into how Pearl assesses credibility, which is to say that she doesn't.
There's no process by which she assesses information, which is how you end up introducing Alex Jones as the number one conspiracy theorist who happens to be right.
You end up doing that because you're a follower who's just picking up the talking points of the edgy online weirdos you.
like, and then pretending it's a position worth putting forward.
Ultimately, I don't want to talk that much about Pearl in this episode at all.
I think she's fairly boring, generally, rehashing a lot of the anti-feminist discussions that were all the rage in 2015, back when people cared about what Sargon of Akkad had to say.
It's all pretty shallow, and I'm not amused.
Also, I find it strange that she has 1.75 million subscribers on YouTube, and yet, her view counts are not great.
In the last three weeks, she has only eight videos that have more than 100,000 views, and 28 videos with under 20,000.
Which is, you know, that's not a great ratio.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's not good.
dan friesen
So, I don't want to talk about Pearl, so why are we doing this episode?
The reason is because Pearl has literally zero idea about any of the things Alex believes, and yet she's interviewing him as if his credibility is unassailable.
You will see her not know very basic elements of Alex's ideology and the players involved, and because of that utter ignorance, I would say that she's the last person who should have taken on the task of interviewing him.
The choice is clearly attention-driven, but because she knows so little, she's forced to ask Alex very basic questions that he usually doesn't have to field, and that leads to some interesting moments.
Or at least they're interesting to me, and it's Wednesday.
It's a wacky Wednesday, so that's good enough.
jordan holmes
Let's ride it out.
dan friesen
Enjoy it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, let's do it.
dan friesen
In this episode, some of the clips are going to be a little bit on the long side.
Like, I think one is even like five minutes long.
jordan holmes
Jesus.
dan friesen
But the reason is because some of the answers that Alex gives to these questions are really long-winded.
Yeah, that sounds right.
And I want to present things as fairly as possible so as not to be accused of cherry picking.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
So yeah, there's some real bullshit in here.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
I suppose, you know, that is important.
We do need to do that.
In full shit.
And again, I understand why we instinctively shouldn't do that, you know?
We're like, oh, we don't have time to spend five minutes listening to this.
But how much of our world would be different if nothing that Trump said was ever curated, and you had to listen to the entire fucking thing to get anything you wanted out of it, you know?
dan friesen
Yeah, and the flip side of it, too, is that would certainly change a lot of people's perspectives.
But also, it's a losing game to try and...
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
You can play an entire segment of Alex's show, and he'll be like...
Uh, yeah, it doesn't say what...
I don't know what I'm saying, because it's not the whole show.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And then you should play the whole show.
You should play the whole week.
This is in conversation with what I said yesterday.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
We're always having the conversations.
That's what it's about.
dan friesen
So we start with actually a short clip, because Alex immediately says something that bothers me.
pearl davis
And I was thinking the number one conspiracy theorist of all time that happens to be right.
alex jones
Well, I've been right more than I've been wrong.
I've made some mistakes, but I've never tried to get things wrong on purpose.
We've got about a 95% accuracy rate, whereas mainstream corporate media in major polls in the US has about a 9%.
So they're definitely trying to lie and to deceive, and I'm trying to get it right.
dan friesen
So if Alex is 95% right, then he's down 3% from where he's normally at.
I wonder what happened to take that considerable chunk off his career credibility stats.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's tough.
dan friesen
Also, there's a fun little game that Alex is playing here.
He says that he's right 95% of the time, and then cites a statistic about the media having a 9% approval rating.
That's apples and oranges right off the bat.
What's the mainstream media's accuracy rate?
Or more damningly, what do you think Alex's approval rating is among the general population?
Interestingly, YouGov and The Economist recently released their Trust in Media poll back in May, and most outlets have a higher than 9% approval rating.
For instance, PBS had a plus 30 net approval rating, and the BBC had plus 29, the AP had plus 23, ABC and USA Today were at plus 21, CBS and Reuters at plus 20, NPR was plus 16, The Guardian plus 15, even the dreaded New York Times was plus 15. InfoWars was actually included in that poll.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah?
dan friesen
They were at the rock bottom of the list.
unidentified
How'd they do?
dan friesen
Negative 16 net approval rating.
jordan holmes
Negative 16 net approval rating.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Ah, is that out of 116?
dan friesen
It's the approval minus the disapproval.
Negative 16, baby.
So maybe Alex is a liar, and he's gonna lie about everything to Pearl, and she's woefully unequipped to handle any of the shit that he's gonna tell her, and that's basically the character of this entire interview.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, this is...
That's kind of what...
Okay, that's...
That's what makes it so deeply unsettling right out the gate.
This is a person who has no fucking clue what's going on.
Like, zero.
dan friesen
None.
jordan holmes
I mean, the way that she's talking, the way that she's introducing, all parts of this, I'm like...
This is insane.
dan friesen
Yeah, but she exists in this sort of edgy, slightly combative internet space where it's like everybody thinks that Alex is secretly right all the time.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
So why not take that on as an opinion that is worth a damn?
jordan holmes
Right, I know, but it's like watching a little girl with a doll go up onto fucking the...
Queen Alien from Alien 3!
You know, like, it's insane!
What are you doing?
Get that little baby out of here!
dan friesen
The Queen Alien might be less dangerous than Alex in some senses.
jordan holmes
Well, at least it's further away from us.
dan friesen
So, we get into a conversation here about Elon Musk not letting Alex get back on Twitter.
And, man, there was one thing that kept happening as I was listening to this interview, and that is like...
There was a moment in the depositions where Bill, I think he was talking to Owen Troyer, and he was like, that very well may be, but what does that have to do with what I asked you?
Or when Mark would ask Alex, what question do you think you're answering?
That keeps going through my mind, because Alex is like, how does this relate to the question that was asked?
And this is one of those.
alex jones
They're definitely trying to lie and to deceive, and I'm trying to get it right.
And so, yes, like Elon Musk said a few months ago, we're running out of conspiracy theories that haven't come true.
pearl davis
Yeah.
Yeah, no, it's interesting because even Musk, why don't you think he let you back on Twitter?
alex jones
Oh, I know why, and I don't want to talk about that big court case and all that just because I...
I want to not talk about it, and they always want to talk about it, and then claim I want to talk about it.
But I was deplatformed five years ago because I was exposing the globalist agenda.
And if you go back to the news articles, when I famously got banned, and it was led by Tim Cook, the head of Apple, along with Mark Zuckerberg, and also Sundar Pichai, the head of Google, they all met and they said, these are the reasons.
It had nothing to do with...
With what the media later said, it was all about my support of Trump and nationalism against globalism.
We're kind of America having its own Brexit moment with the globalists.
Whereas the UK wanted to get out of the EU, I wanted America to stop being the heart of this new global corporate fascist empire.
I love America, but I hate the corporations that had hijacked and done all these terrible things in our name.
And so they said, here's the reason he's banned.
And none of it was about what I got sued for.
And then a judge found me guilty and told a jury I was guilty.
It's called default judgment.
Very, very rare.
And that was done fraudulently, in my view.
And even Associated Press even said it was the craziest default judgment ever.
Then they told the jury I was guilty.
Jury's supposed to judge your guilt, not how guilty you are.
You're innocent until proven guilty, not guilty until proven more guilty.
Or why would have juries at that point?
Just have judges.
Judges become North Korea or some former Soviet-era tribunal.
And then they had the biggest single individual judgment for defamation ever against me.
dan friesen
So again, this is about Musk not letting him back on Twitter.
jordan holmes
The question was, why didn't Musk let you back on Twitter?
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Okay.
We've gone far afield.
alex jones
The reason for not letting me back on is that because they ran in the preceding five years tens of thousands of news articles conservatively, thousands of TV programs and national news programs, international programs, thousands.
I mean, they would put out one article in the New York Times, but it's syndicated to almost every newspaper in the country.
So when I say tens of thousands, I'd wake up sometimes, and there'd be a hundred-plus new articles, and then half of them would be syndicated.
I mean, I had family on a South African cruise, and they would get up in the morning, and that little three-page thing you get with just one page of news on the front, then say, we're landing here today, and by the way, there's going to be a party tonight on Deck 7, and it was all about attacking me and that story.
It was global saturation, and we now know they bragged about it last year once they won a high-powered PR firm that actually does the UN's PR, and it's since been bought by the largest PR firm in the world.
They looked at my record, found a few things that they thought they could exaggerate and twist, ran a bunch of news articles for several years attacking me.
Then the lawsuits were filed as if I had done the things they said I'd said.
Then I wasn't allowed to put my case on, was convicted in the court of public opinion.
The judge said I was guilty.
And so they built up this battery, this reservoir of Alex Jones as Satan, Alex Jones as a demon, Alex Jones as bad.
And now I see what it was.
It came out in Congress a few months ago.
Myself and Elon Musk were targeted by the CIA.
jordan holmes
So legal reasons then?
alex jones
International agencies and groups that once they could demonize us successfully.
And get the public not to support us.
They could destroy anybody.
They said we'll get Assange on the left, Alex Jones on the right, and that was their statement, not mine.
And then once we get them, we'll get everybody.
And so now we can see all that, and it's come out in Congress, the CIA, or the Justice Department was going after any doctors that questioned the official COVID narrative or even tried to give people therapeutics or anybody to question the Wuhan lab.
Remember, you couldn't question that, now you can.
This was intelligence agency run, we now know, against me.
So Musk can't come legalize me or put me on because he's trying to free up the rest of Twitter.
If he was to put me on, that demonization would kick in, and they might be able to actually defeat his attempt to free Twitter.
jordan holmes
So public pressure.
alex jones
Sorry, go ahead.
That's a long answer.
pearl davis
Oh, okay.
Well, and it's unfortunate.
You can't be expected to get everything right all the time.
They don't have the same energy for CNN, Fox News.
It's just you for whatever reason.
jordan holmes
What is going on, person?
dan friesen
But, I mean, you know, Alex does seem like someone who doesn't want to talk about their case.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You know, it seems like somebody who's really reluctant to get into this stuff.
jordan holmes
I am blown away.
Uh, by her clearly not having, like...
dan friesen
She doesn't have a grasp on anything that happened.
jordan holmes
Anything that's going on.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Nothing that happened to him, nothing that...
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Nothing.
dan friesen
No, and she just accepts whatever Alex says, even though he's blatantly lying to her face.
jordan holmes
Clearly!
You would have to be so, so naive.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
dan friesen
Because basically what's going on is Alex is lying to her.
She's not questioning it.
And it's just taken as gospel that Alex is the victim in the whole Sandy Hook thing.
And that it's a shame that other media outlets aren't held to the same scrutiny.
That's a total load of bullshit.
Nick Sandman, the Covington Catholic High School student, he sued CNN over what he called unfair and damaging depictions of himself back in 2019.
CNN settled that case and cooperated with the legal process.
According to Reuters, at the heart of the claim was CNN, quote, And that they had a chance of losing the case.
Alex had every opportunity to behave similarly.
But he didn't.
He refused to cooperate with Discovery and repeatedly sent completely unprepared idiots to serve as corporate representatives in hopes of stonewalling the process and getting the plaintiffs to settle for scraps or withdraw the suit because he was too difficult to deal with and it was getting too expensive.
That ploy didn't work, and Alex reaped the consequences of it.
Either way, it has nothing to do with him being kicked off social media, and Elon Musk didn't say he couldn't come back because of the results of a lawsuit.
Musk hates Alex because of his actions around Sandy Hook, not because of the legal case, but this way that Alex is.
telling the story to Pearl, it retains Alex's heroic character, both in terms of Sandy Hook and in terms of his willingness to be a martyr, not allowed back on Twitter so the other racist shitheads can run free.
Yeah.
unidentified
What a guy.
dan friesen
Just one of the best.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I can't imagine being her.
Immediately after Alex starts, after about the first 30 seconds, I would go, this was a huge mistake.
This is a huge mistake.
This is going to happen after every question.
This talk is never going to end.
I don't know what he's talking about.
I'm confused.
How could you not be confused?
dan friesen
But you also probably are thinking, oh my god.
jordan holmes
I need the attention.
dan friesen
I'm going to get so many views off this.
Alex Jones is talking.
Let's see if we can get a viral moment out of this.
jordan holmes
I know, but what I don't understand, I guess I am, maybe I am weird.
Because I don't understand the concept of not preparing for it.
dan friesen
Well, she did prepare.
She watched him on Rogan, I think.
You're not convinced.
unidentified
Fair enough!
jordan holmes
I take back my criticism!
That's on me!
dan friesen
So you can tell, basically, the level of preparation with this next question.
And actually, I do appreciate this question, because she asks...
Who are the globalists?
jordan holmes
I like that.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I think that's a good question, honestly.
dan friesen
Yeah, I wonder what Alex has to say.
pearl davis
So my question, though, I really wanted to be red-pilled for beginners because I've been watching some of your interviews.
Like, I saw you on Joe Rogan.
I saw a couple other ones.
And it's very confusing sometimes from, like, someone that's, I guess, just starting in the red-pill space.
Like, you talk about basically globalists.
Like, what do you mean by that?
Who are the globalists?
alex jones
Well, you notice now Vladimir Putin calls the corporations that run the West the globalist, and Donald Trump calls the corporations that have hijacked the West the globalist.
And I did not create that term.
I popularized it.
When I was reading books 35 years ago, 30 years ago, right before I got on air 29 years ago, I was reading books about the Anglo-American establishment, and that's what they call the British Empire merged with the U.S. Empire at the end of World War II.
This is official history, Ph.D. level.
It was Cecil Rhodes' plan even before World War I to set something up like this, and so that was happening really 130 years ago, but it officially was done with the Bretton Woods.
Summit and these events right after World War II.
pearl davis
The Bretton Woods Summit, what's that?
alex jones
That's when the UK and other leaders along with the United States all got together.
You can pull up the famous meeting.
They also had Bretton Woods too.
And basically decided the international order, decided that the dollar would be the world reserve currency and would be backed by petro dollars.
So the dollar became the mode of exchange for oil.
And that the British Empire would fold its holdings into the U.S. Empire.
That would be the Anglo-American Empire.
That's just what it's officially called.
dan friesen
So here's what I was talking about when I said that Pearl has to ask very basic questions.
Who are the globalists?
What's Bretton Woods?
Through the asking of these very basic questions, you should take note and realize that Alex doesn't actually have answers to them.
The first thing to point out is that Alex's answer about who the globalists are will continue.
But at this point, it's meaningless.
It's a pastiche of buzzwords he's taken from various places to make his worldview sound researched, when in reality it's just a facade, and it doesn't inform anybody.
The second thing to point out is much more important, and that is that Alex doesn't know what Bretton Woods is.
The Brighton Woods system wasn't developed after World War II ended.
It was built during World War II, in anticipation of the need to rebuild the world economy after the war.
The Brighton Woods conference itself took place in July 1944, again while the war was still going on.
The agreement did make the U.S. dollar essentially the world reserve currency, or at least it made currencies of other countries who signed onto it convertible to the U.S. dollar.
It allowed for much smoother financial transactions and negotiations between these countries as the world rebuilt.
However, it had nothing to do with petrodollars.
The convertibility of the U.S. dollar was established based on gold.
Alex either doesn't know this or he does know it, and he's pretending not to because he's supposed to be against the Bretton Woods Agreement, but he also loves the gold standard.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So it's a conflict.
jordan holmes
Whoa, that's dangerous.
dan friesen
The ending of the U.S. dollar being backed by gold, which happened in 1971, also ended the Bretton Woods system, which was officially ended by the Jamaica Accords in 1976.
Alex seems unaware of any of this.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that sounds right.
dan friesen
Further, there is no Bretton Woods 2. That's a term that people have used to describe various large financial plans, like the response to the 2008-2009 crisis, but it's not a formal thing like the original agreement was.
unidentified
Right, gotcha.
dan friesen
Pearl doesn't know what Bretton Woods is.
I mean, in a way, ironically, this is...
jordan holmes
She's...
Like, okay, so if I'm to Gen Z it up...
If I'm starting out in the red pill space, you know, just like getting my bearings about me.
Hello, everybody in the red pill space.
How's everybody going?
You know, doing that whole thing.
And this is what I'm getting from basic questions.
I'd be like, I don't need to be in this red pill space.
This is a terrible, dumb space filled with that guy.
dan friesen
Well, but also, you can have the appearance of this seem really smart.
Because it's so many things being thrown at you, it's like someone wouldn't be brazen enough to just keep throwing bullshit around?
jordan holmes
Really?
unidentified
I don't know.
dan friesen
I think the presentation of confidence that Alex brings can be deceptive to people.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and talking fast is a lot...
More effective than anybody really wants to admit, don't they?
dan friesen
And never giving any indication that you don't know something.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Being infallible.
Or 98%.
jordan holmes
95%.
dan friesen
Now.
unidentified
Listen.
dan friesen
What happened?
jordan holmes
You get a couple more things wrong and you go down a percentage point.
dan friesen
I do like the idea, though, that she's saying, I watched you in these interviews and it was confusing.
As if you're going to get clarity.
It's confusing because it's fucking dumb and confusing.
The stuff he's saying is meant to...
Confuse you.
jordan holmes
Feature, not a bug.
dan friesen
Exactly.
So the answer continues.
alex jones
So I was reading books by Barry Goldwater, who was a senator.
jordan holmes
The name of this episode.
The answer continues.
People like that.
alex jones
And I also read a book written by the Federal Reserve head before he was a Federal Reserve head.
Alan Greenspan was like an Alex Jones back in the 50s and 60s until they hired him.
He was so effective.
jordan holmes
What?
alex jones
And so I read these books written by senators, and I read some books about the Frank Church Senate committees.
dan friesen
Don't mention the Birchers.
Don't mention the Birchers.
alex jones
About the shadow government and what came out in those hearings, about the Kennedy assassination, all that stuff.
And so then I went, and I said, well, these books are being quoted by Barry Goldwater and people.
Let me go see if they're real.
So I went to the library, and the local library wouldn't have them, but the UT library did.
And I would read Tragedy and Hope by Carl Quigley, the head of the Georgetown Political Science Department, 1,100 pages long.
And I would read books by Cecil Rhodes.
And I read a bunch of the source books.
Then I read Zbigniew Brzezinski's books, all four of them that were out at the time.
He wrote subsequently more.
And I read Henry Kissinger's work.
This was all about the time I was about 20. I found it so fascinating.
And then...
Basically had an underlying understanding of what the real global order was versus what the general public was taught.
Because these academics and world diplomats and people treat the public like we're animals.
So they talk to us in speeches about one thing, but in their books and in their white papers and in their analyses and reports to each other, they're very cut and dry about it.
So I discovered, really when I was a teenager, Because I had some family that had worked for the CIA and the Defense Department and all sorts of stuff, quite a few of them.
Because Texas was kind of the big command base of all that during the Cold War.
dan friesen
My dad was recruited with a laser.
alex jones
I had these books all over the house, and I was just brought up with the background noise about all this.
And so by the time I was about 15, 16, I thought, well, I better read all these books and see if this is true.
My dad didn't push it too much.
My mom didn't push it too much.
They had the books around the house.
He had worked in the Army as an officer and then had worked in Iran-Contra and a bunch of secret operations.
And so he had gotten out of it and was talking about how evil the government was and how it was hijacked.
dan friesen
It's bad.
alex jones
How they were devil worshippers and pedophiles and all this stuff.
When I was like 15 years old, visiting them in San Antonio, I thought that was pretty crazy.
And then I just started researching all that and got on Access TV when I was 20. Got on the radio when I was 22. Got syndicated when I was 25. So I've been on air 29 years.
I'm 49 now.
And so you asked about the New World Order.
jordan holmes
Is that what she asked about?
alex jones
People in the U.K. won't get this, but people in the U.S. will.
But I guess kind of like Christmas in the U.K. or Thanksgiving in the U.S. You have the big adult table where they're all discussing adult things.
You have the little kid table.
And as little kids, you come over and listen to what the adults are saying over at you.
pearl davis
And they view the general public as the kid table?
I'm just clarifying.
alex jones
Yes, I was about to go there, exactly.
And so they see us as the kid table, but I've been sitting at the adult table since I could listen to adults.
So I was sitting here hearing all this.
My mom's dad was in some weird clandestine secret weapons development for the Pentagon.
jordan holmes
Wait, what?
alex jones
His son was big time in it.
unidentified
Big time.
alex jones
My dad's side of the family, a bunch of the family was in it.
My dad is dead now, an army officer.
It was really a cousin.
We called him his uncle because he was about 10 years older.
Lived across the street.
jordan holmes
Was the question, who's your family?
alex jones
And he was a kind of Jason Bourne type assassin.
But he didn't have magical powers and stuff like those TV shows.
Okay.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
So the question is, who are the globalists?
jordan holmes
Who are the globalists?
dan friesen
So far.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
We found that Alex's family is connected to a bunch of stuff.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
He's read a bunch of books.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
And the globalists think we're at the kids' table.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Nothing useful.
jordan holmes
I have not heard any information whatsoever that I can take with me.
dan friesen
I guess if you're gonna try and gleam anything from it, he said the name Cecil Rhodes and it's a big new Brzezinski.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
So maybe...
But then he said he read Barry Goldwater's books, and if you don't know any better, you wouldn't know that he was on Alex's side, because Alex also said he read books by Zbigniew Brzezinski, so maybe he's an anti-globalist.
Who knows?
jordan holmes
Who knows?
dan friesen
This is useless.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
In terms of being an answer.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
But man.
Nanoman.
jordan holmes
At least it was long.
dan friesen
Yes, thank God.
jordan holmes
At least it took up time, which is what we're really focusing on.
dan friesen
We're up against the clock here.
jordan holmes
It is about quantity over quantity.
Yeah, Alex, you don't have to fill three hours of this show!
dan friesen
Turns out you do.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no.
This is short, condensed.
You're not the one in charge.
You could just give quick answers.
dan friesen
Uh-huh.
jordan holmes
Interesting.
It could be interesting.
dan friesen
It ends up being about an hour 40. Oof.
And at an hour, right at about an hour, Alex does a pretty heavy plug, and that makes me think that it was supposed to be an hour.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And maybe it ran an extra 40 minutes.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
So not getting an answer to the who are the globalists.
Sure.
Pearl tries to weave this back around and ask, who is in this group?
jordan holmes
I mean, another way of phrasing, who are these people?
unidentified
Right!
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Still no answer.
jordan holmes
Still no answer.
pearl davis
Okay, so who's in this?
Is it just politicians?
Is it businessmen?
And how do you know, because it's like on the outside looking in, we hear these things like the JFK assassination, like I think that's one I've heard, which I know is like common knowledge maybe in different circles, but it all sounds crazy.
Like if this was true, why is it not on the cover of, you know, magazines, newspapers, that sort of thing?
alex jones
Well, it's because Operation Mockingbird, anybody can look up, was declassified in the church committee hearings in the 70s.
The CIA had its people in all the major TV, print, and radio.
Killing stories, controlling stories, amplifying stories, and making sure the truth didn't get out.
And when the internet came along, it got a lot harder to control.
But really now we've reached a point where they can't even deny it anymore.
So like Yuval Noah Harari and Klaus Schwab have summits on international television with 100-foot jumbo screens in Dubai and in Frankfurt, Germany and in London and in the Swiss Alps, Davos.
And they're just, the future's not human.
World government's coming in.
You're going to have a world ID.
We're going to make you take chips by 2030 under the skin to buy and sell.
You know, we're going to be gods.
You're going to be nothing.
I mean, these are quotes.
We need to ban the Bible.
We need AI to rewrite it without God.
These are quotes?
These are quotes just from this week, actually.
I have the articles right here.
So, this stuff is just over the top.
jordan holmes
I dare you to believe that.
alex jones
35 years ago.
And thought, whoa, my family told me about this, and here I am researching, and it's true.
I want to be in the opposition to that.
That sounds exciting.
It sounds good.
It sounds like the right thing to do.
I was really drawn to service for the Republic and for really organic service to humanity because I was reading these documents.
And then it got really real for me.
I'd been doing this about 14 years or so when I got approached by Henry Kissinger's head guy and others to come work for him.
One time, I did it in front of my radio producer trying to get me to come to New York and sell out to them.
So that's the one case I could talk about because it wasn't in confidence.
But I've been in the top of 50-story buildings and been offered the world and all that stuff.
That's what they do.
pearl davis
And Henry Kissinger, that's someone that's in it?
alex jones
Yes, Henry Kissinger's in it.
Quite high up in it.
But yes, I mean, look, I'm talking about the big parent table, the big person table over here, and everybody else is at the kid table.
And all I'm trying to get the public to do is come over to the big table.
You don't need to listen to me.
You'll see it all for yourself.
dan friesen
If you're somebody who doesn't know who Henry Kissinger is, I can't imagine any other motivation to interview Alex other than desperately wanting attention.
jordan holmes
Right?
dan friesen
Like, how can you even engage with any of the subject matter that's going on?
It's ridiculous.
jordan holmes
And Kissinger is one of them.
dan friesen
Is he a good guy or a bad guy?
jordan holmes
Where is Kissinger in the hierarchy?
How long has Kissinger been around?
Is he an old, young guy?
dan friesen
I mean, I can't even imagine an interest in the subjects that Alex covers and lies about if you don't know who Henry Kissinger is.
I mean, yeah, right?
That's bizarre.
jordan holmes
Kissinger is so much like just a guy who is there.
All the time!
dan friesen
I can't imagine having any position or feeling about international relations and not knowing who Kissinger is.
jordan holmes
And not knowing who Kissinger is.
dan friesen
You have to.
jordan holmes
He is a...
dan friesen
Diplomacy.
jordan holmes
Just a fucking monumental figure in the thing.
dan friesen
War, peace, negotiation.
Any of these things.
All roads.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
All Cecil Rhodes lead to Henry Kissinger.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, just in pop culture.
It's trickled down.
You should know who Kissinger is because it's in cartoon.
Boons that they're making fun of Kissinger.
dan friesen
I'm sure that there's a Kissinger riff in Animaniacs somewhere.
jordan holmes
Yeah, 100%.
Totally.
dan friesen
Those weirdos put some joke in there, I'm sure.
jordan holmes
Futurama, Venture Brothers, you name it.
dan friesen
We'll get to Futurama later.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay, good.
unidentified
I was waiting for heads in jars.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's where I knew we had trouble.
jordan holmes
Why in the world?
I do appreciate, there's something I do appreciate.
I think there is a little bit of that, like, I think Alex realized that he was in trouble too.
I don't think he's enjoying this.
dan friesen
No, I think he is.
jordan holmes
Really?
dan friesen
Because she has 1.75 million YouTube followers who follow somebody who doesn't know who Kissinger is, and they think that this is entertainment.
He's got to be like, alright, this is something I can work with.
jordan holmes
Yeah, these are full-on brand new to the red pill space if you don't know who Kissinger is.
dan friesen
Now, I will also say, you know, I like to give it up a little bit where I can.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And I do think, much like the rejection videos, There's a vulnerability and a courage to posting those online that I will applaud.
I think that's a positive thing.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And her not pretending to know who Kissinger is, being willing to be like, I don't know what this is.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
I give it up to that.
That's a sincerity on some level.
jordan holmes
I mean, yeah, sure.
dan friesen
It's better than the alternative, just bluffing that you know stuff.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
She did not bluff, but I mean, boy.
You can't even bluff about knowing Kissinger.
There's just too...
I mean, maybe you could...
There's probably something you could make up.
dan friesen
It would be so easy just to go along with this, though.
Alex is telling a story of being recruited at the top of a 50-story building that's not true anyway.
Just move forward.
You don't need a clarification on who Kissinger is.
jordan holmes
That is a good point.
What a very strange part of that story to be like, let's...
Nailed this part down.
Who's Kissinger?
dan friesen
He's in that thing?
jordan holmes
He's in the bad guys.
Not like you made up this entire story about this and included a name that you assumed was going to be so impressive to me that I would be like, whoa, I can't believe that.
dan friesen
Project Mockingbird?
Also, that's a real thing.
It was where the CIA illegally wiretapped a few reporters because they were trying to figure out who their sources were.
These reporters had published classified material, so the CIA was tasked by the Kennedy administration with figuring out who was doing that leaking.
From that jump-off point, a large conspiracy version of this has been theorized, which you would call Operation Mockingbird.
Undoubtedly, the CIA has had contact with journalists and reporters over the years.
And without a doubt, the job of a reporter has been used by clandestine organizations in the past as a cover for their operatives.
But the solid evidence isn't there to make the claims that Alex does about Mockingbird.
It's just a catch-all buzzword for him like Bretton Woods was earlier or Operation Lockstep is now.
It's just a name you could be like, yeah, Duh.
Yeah.
Mockingbird.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah, she didn't...
The whole...
That's the thing about Kissinger.
It makes you...
Not knowing that made us skip over the fact that she didn't even know who JFK was.
And that whole assassination conspiracy...
dan friesen
Well, it's common knowledge in some circles.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
No, I think...
I mean, she knows who JFK is, I'm sure, but she probably just doesn't know what the theories are.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Because there's a million of them, and, you know...
jordan holmes
That's fair.
dan friesen
I don't fault her for that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Not having committed to a JFK conspiracy that you want to defend.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
I think that's the way you get it.
Listen, you can't get accepted into the red pill space without a JFK conspiracy.
dan friesen
Also, Roger's going to be pissed that Alex didn't plug his book about the JFK assassination.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's a good point.
dan friesen
So now we get to what is globalism?
Alex will explain this.
jordan holmes
Yet another way of asking, who are these people?
dan friesen
I don't think she's asking this time.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
Alex reframes the question from who to what is.
jordan holmes
Right, gotcha.
alex jones
Here's an example.
So your first question was excellent.
What is globalism?
And my point is, and I should have just said it this way, in their own documents going back 60 years, they said we want to create a global order, and we would describe ourselves as transhumanist, and towards that end, we need a global government system, so we are globalist.
So just three months ago, Klaus Schwab in Dubai with world leaders, and now King Charles was there, then Prince Charles.
And they're all there, and they say we need a world government with carbon credits and carbon taxes and ESGs to control every fashion of your life, to buy and sell, to save the earth, a total military mobilization.
We need to censor our opponents.
We need to totally take over.
And then on the big screen comes in Elon Musk.
And Elon Musk says, world government is like getting rid of firewalls in an apartment building.
You have a gas fire, you have an electrical fire, you have a grease fire.
It burns up that apartment, but by the time the firefighters get there and the sprinklers turn on, it has firewalls in it, and so it only burns up that apartment.
But if you don't have firewalls in an apartment, which a lot of the older ones don't, that's when you see buildings going up and hundreds of people getting barbecued alive.
So his analogy is what I've always used, but he explains it as like bulkheads in a ship or compartments.
So the Titanic...
Hit, and the iceberg is an analogy, sliced down a big part of it, so it flooded three of the compartments.
That was too much.
It went down.
Well, if you have global government, there's only one compartment.
And so there's no separation of powers.
There's no judicial legislative executive.
There's no this country against that country, which we all see as, quote, bad, but is really good because that creates opposition to centralization of control, something that always turns to bad and is always like the Ring of Mordor, extremely destructive.
It only leads to Armageddon-like, cataclysmic...
dan friesen
So now we've got a Jason Bourne reference, a Lord of the Rings, if you're keeping track.
Also, her question was who are the globalists, not what is globalism.
So he's reframed this a little bit.
Also, that's a dumb definition of globalism, but I guess it could work as a definition of Alex's one-world government ideas.
There's no firewalls, so there's nothing to stop the fire from spreading everywhere.
Of course, fire's tyranny.
In this case, I guess.
jordan holmes
So that was a bad metaphor.
dan friesen
Yeah, and I would argue that the existence of a world governmental body is actually what would create firewalls.
jordan holmes
That's the idea, right?
dan friesen
Yeah.
If tyranny popped up in one country, the world body would be able to address the problem a lot more effectively than this country-versus-country paradigm.
As it stands now, there's certainly no firewall between Russia and Ukraine, but guess what?
There sure as shit is one between Ukraine and Poland, and that's because Poland is part of an international cooperative agreement.
Right.
Huh.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Also, Alex shouldn't believe that buildings should be required to have firewalls, because he's against governmental regulation of businesses.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
So even on a literal and metaphorical level, this makes no sense.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and I mean, what is globalism?
Did he answer that question?
dan friesen
Not really.
I mean, it's firewalls.
jordan holmes
Globalism is firewalls?
Anti-globalism is firewalls.
So centralization, in his metaphor, is that we're getting rid of all the walls.
It's just a big open space.
dan friesen
No walls, baby.
jordan holmes
No walls, so if anybody's shit is on fire, everybody's shit is on fire.
dan friesen
I guess.
Here's what he's trying to say, and he's doing it poorly, I think.
Because I've heard this kind of shit from him in the past.
It's that idea that if there's a one-world government and it goes corrupt, and there's a tyrant at the top of it, then there's nowhere to run.
jordan holmes
For sure.
dan friesen
You can't go to another country that is free of the oppression of that one world government.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
That's what he's trying to say.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And fair enough, I guess.
But there's no reason to think that if you had a world governing body in some form, it would literally control everything.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You know, something that solved disputes between countries is probably what you would describe as world government.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And, I don't know, it doesn't have to rule everything.
jordan holmes
No.
And just like, okay.
I mean, but then the other thing is, what is global?
Like, oh, there's no separation of powers.
dan friesen
Yeah, there could be a world government with separation of powers.
There's no reason to believe it wouldn't have that.
jordan holmes
You're talking about a guy.
You're talking about a guy who tells everybody what to do all the time.
You're not talking about globalism.
You're just going like, I don't want some guy telling me what to do all the time.
dan friesen
I don't want Klaus Schwab to tell me what to do because I believe that he is the leader of the world.
unidentified
That's it!
That's it!
jordan holmes
I don't want to be told what to do by this asshole.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
But I will do whatever this other asshole says.
dan friesen
This other asshole who is mobbed up.
jordan holmes
And is fundamentally, I mean, essentially indistinguishable from all of the figures that he is describing as being evil.
dan friesen
Yeah, but he's racist.
jordan holmes
That's a good point.
dan friesen
Yeah, so Trump is cool.
jordan holmes
Can't argue with that.
dan friesen
So, Alex, the only thing I really take away from most of the entirety of the conversation about the globalist stuff is that he likes...
He wants you to be very fucking clear that he sits at the big boy table.
alex jones
Okay.
So here's Musk saying, your world government's bad, and who knows if the allegory of the Tower of Babel was real, supposedly 7,000 years ago, all these cultures together, but it all fell apart because it was under one system.
jordan holmes
What do you mean, who knows if it's real?
alex jones
We need to understand that world government's bad.
So they have summits called World Government Summit.
So what's frustrating is...
I'm a kid.
I go over to the adult table.
I hear all this.
I go back and I tell the other kids, hey, I heard him say this.
And the kids go, that sounds crazy.
We don't believe that.
So instead, the kids just need to go over and listen at the table themselves.
You don't need me to tell them, hey, you know, grandma's over there talking about the time grandpa got caught, you know, cheating on her or something like that.
Well, grandpa never did that.
Well, you got to go over and hear grandpa or grandma tell the story.
So, hey, they're talking about how they used to run a...
Moonshine and Operation out of here.
And the kids are like, I don't care about Moonshine.
I want to hear about, you know, Batman movie coming out.
That's kind of how kids are.
They always want Netflix.
They want fantasy.
They don't want to hear Grandma and Grandpa talking about surviving the Great Depression and running Moonshine.
And that's actually a true story in my family.
But the point is, is that I always like the big person table.
dan friesen
Yeah, he likes the big person table.
jordan holmes
He likes the big person table.
dan friesen
And, hey, I'll say this.
Alex is a really good case study for why there should be kids' tables.
jordan holmes
Yeah, 100%.
dan friesen
Because sometimes kids go over to the adult table and they don't understand what they're hearing.
jordan holmes
They don't understand.
dan friesen
They're unable to grasp or deal with the information.
jordan holmes
Context.
dan friesen
And maybe they create an entirely fictitious version of what's going on at the adult table and then it...
Runs their life because their dad enables them.
jordan holmes
Right.
Because they don't have a frame of reference for what's going on, they must create one of their own.
dan friesen
Right.
Do you think that somebody who's at the kids' table can understand infidelity with your grandparents?
jordan holmes
Yeah, right.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
None of your fucking business.
Watch Batman.
jordan holmes
Imagine if the kid was like, wait, and then Grandpa said that it turned out it was something that was actually kind of a turn on for them, and this improved their sex life for the entire thing, and then this whole concept of monogamous relationships should be turned on.
You can't understand that from your own fucking grandfather when you're nine in Thanksgiving?
dan friesen
Nope.
jordan holmes
True story, by the way.
dan friesen
You're not emotionally equipped to deal with a lot of the conversations that Alex is describing as being at the adult table.
And I mean that also as a direct correlation to the stuff about geopolitical shit and all that.
Alex, as a kid, wasn't equipped to deal with it.
And he internalized stuff that he doesn't understand and still doesn't.
jordan holmes
And believes wholeheartedly that Batman movies are real.
dan friesen
Probably.
It certainly was part of his Sandy Hook coverage.
jordan holmes
Yeah, right?
dan friesen
So, you seem to have some feelings about the Tower of Babel.
jordan holmes
I appreciate that.
I mean, of all the ones, listen, of all the ones that we're going to be like, oh, this could have been real or not, you know, like, I'm not going to do Noah's Ark, we're just not doing it, we're definitely not doing Tower of Babel.
dan friesen
Well, but also, that had nothing to do with, like, one world government.
No.
The story wasn't warning people against working together as a group.
It was about the hubris of thinking that you could build a tower to heaven.
It's mostly just a myth that is used to explain why people speak different languages.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
And it exists in different cultures, too.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's all like, oh, well, we weren't talking and then we can't understand each other.
dan friesen
Because we were so vain and we thought we could get to heaven.
jordan holmes
I do appreciate that.
Who knows if that allegory is true or not?
dan friesen
Who knows?
jordan holmes
What a very strange sentence.
Those words don't function in a sentence together.
dan friesen
Now, the only way that I can kind of understand a possible thing that's going on in this interview is that they're both trolling each other.
And they don't know.
I could see that being some kind of an elaborate joke, but I don't think it is.
jordan holmes
I feel like we are listening to two people who...
Absolutely are in completely different universes, like, doing pen pal letters back and forth, you know?
Like, that's how she's asking questions.
She's sending him a letter, right?
And it goes into the different universe, and he writes his 8,000-page word response, and then we do it all over again.
dan friesen
And he didn't read the letter.
jordan holmes
He didn't read the letter!
dan friesen
So he's not responding to anything that was in her letter.
jordan holmes
Just continuing another...
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Pearl has a question here, and that is, how do you know that they worship the devil?
It's a good question.
jordan holmes
It's a good question.
pearl davis
So what are, they're trying to make one world government, basically, is what you're saying?
alex jones
Yes, one world government that they totally control where you have no rights and everything you do is tracked and traced.
And there's no underground economy, there's no freedom, it's just absolutely, basically Mark of the Beast.
pearl davis
Okay.
jordan holmes
Mark of the Beast.
pearl davis
And how do you know, because I've heard you say in interviews that they worship the devil.
Do they say this openly?
alex jones
Well, here's the deal.
If you worship Christ and follow Christ's ideas, whether you believe that or not, do unto others as you do them to you, lay down your life for your brother, all of that, that's not very compatible to a system of total control and domination.
You can call it a test, you can call it whatever you want.
Like, I know you've got gangs over there in the UK, and I'm sure you've heard your pleasure from the US, you know.
You're from Chicago.
You've heard of gang initiations, right?
pearl davis
I grew up in the suburbs.
I don't know much about gangs.
alex jones
But you know gangs have initiations.
pearl davis
I do now.
alex jones
Any real gang has initiations.
And every military or gang that was serious in history is you have to kill people for the gang to even be an actual member.
So first off, you've got to kill people.
Whether it's the Mexican Mafia or MS-13 or La Cosa Nostra or any of that.
I mean, and every group's got gangs.
But the British Empire and the U.S. Empire is the establishment that their gangs wear uniforms.
Understand?
Their killers wear uniforms.
And they're actually the dominant gang, okay?
unidentified
So...
alex jones
I don't remember all the exact dates and times, but...
Until the early 50s, the Senate and the Congress and the FBI and J. Edgar Hoover, the FBI founder and director, said that La Cosa Nostra, the mafia, did not exist.
dan friesen
That's just something that Alex is taking from None Dare Call It Conspiracy.
At the beginning of the book, Gary Allen attempts to argue for the existence of this global communist conspiracy that's invisible to your naked eyes.
alex jones
But wait!
dan friesen
La Cosa Nostra existed and did crimes for many years before they were even known to exist when Joseph Valachi snitched.
He says, quote, Is it not possible for a political conspiracy might exist waiting for a Joseph Valachi to testify?
That's one of his big arguments for why you don't see any of this, but it's still there.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
I'm sure Alex is taking a bit of this from that.
Also, when she said, oh, I think that's evidence that she just didn't know what initiation meant.
Maybe?
jordan holmes
I swear to you, I am kind of enjoying this absolute baby bird of a human being just being like...
What's that?
There's a certain part of me that's like, oh, you're unencumbered with the real world entirely.
dan friesen
My parents are multi-millionaires.
I grew up in a mansion outside Chicago.
I've never been to Michigan Avenue.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
Well, maybe I've been to Michigan, but not very far.
jordan holmes
What do you know about women?
dan friesen
She knows that women are a problem.
She also seems to hate overweight people and trans people, and so yeah, there's a lot of not cool things in her book.
jordan holmes
Go outside more.
dan friesen
She, yeah, there is a naivety or something in her that is a little refreshing in that like, you know, answering that question, like you're from Chicago, you know gangs.
I grew up in the suburbs.
It's so easy to answer that question and just move along.
jordan holmes
We know tons of people who are like, oh, I'm from Chicago.
She was a person who said, I'm from the suburbs.
Good for her.
Not being like, I'm from Chicago.
Where'd you grow up?
Arlington Heights.
Fuck you!
dan friesen
Not trying to add some kind of street cred.
And there is that element to her.
And being willing to be like, I don't know who Kissinger is.
I don't know any of this shit.
jordan holmes
I don't know anything.
dan friesen
And you kind of can...
I'd be charmed by that a tiny bit, but it is important to remember that she is a real piece of shit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, it's a fucking tabula rasa situation, I feel like.
Just get the wrong voices out of her ears.
dan friesen
And I also think that she sounds way younger than she is.
So it feels like you're beating up on a 16, 17-year-old kid.
Yeah, but she's like 26, 27, somewhere in there.
jordan holmes
You know, and I think there's a part of me that's just so jealous of that.
Imagine living that long and knowing this little.
I don't want to...
I've never been an ignorance as a bliss guy.
dan friesen
Parents weren't rich enough.
jordan holmes
I've never been an ignorance as a bliss guy, but man, the present makes you feel like ignorance is a much more blissful place.
dan friesen
It can be confused for bliss.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So anyway, we talk here a little bit about La Cosa Nostra.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
unidentified
The mob.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
alex jones
Now, Hollywood created this idea that only gangs are Italian.
That's just...
That's another giant mind control operation that only Italians set up gangs.
That's a classic line in The Godfather that's based on a composite of true stories where the head of the family, Michael Corleone, is talking to his wife, and she goes, and he's having to kill people, and she says, you know, I wish you were like normal people, not to kill people, like, you know, the president and generals.
And he says to her, he says, don't be naive, Kate.
That's exactly who's doing a lot more killing than I am, and I'm paraphrasing it, but that's an IAT.
unidentified
Oh, you were?
alex jones
That's not an IAT the publicist.
So, here's an example.
Until the early 50s, it was a fact, according to the media, that the mafia did not exist.
La Cosa Nostra did not exist.
They even know that name.
pearl davis
Really?
alex jones
Our thing.
No.
Look it up.
dan friesen
So that whole point about not knowing the name of it is another thing that Gary Allen stresses in the book.
And that's also Godfather, another movie reference.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
That's three if you count the Ring of Mordor.
But I think that one I'm not going to count.
The Jason Bourne one I'm counting.
jordan holmes
Okay.
You're not going to count the one ring?
dan friesen
No, because that could be a book.
jordan holmes
Fair enough.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I'm going to pretend Alex read it.
unidentified
Fair enough.
jordan holmes
I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Let's pretend Alex has that one under his belt.
I'll give him Lord of the Rings.
I'll give him The Hobbit.
I don't know if I'll give him Lord of the Rings all the way through.
dan friesen
He read The Silmarillion.
jordan holmes
I'll give him...
He did, didn't he?
dan friesen
Probably.
jordan holmes
He does have some nerd stuff like that back in his brain somewhere.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And there's sort of a religious weird thing with C.S. Lewis and Tolkien, so I could see him having some weird feelings about some of that deep stuff.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I bet that is some weird stuff there.
dan friesen
His dad beat him over the head with a copy of Mere Christianity.
jordan holmes
Hey, Tom.
Terry Tom.
Tick-tock-a-tick.
Nope.
dan friesen
That's definitely not the movie.
jordan holmes
Not going to go?
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
So Alex gets into this initiation idea.
The gangs have initiation.
So there's some ways to get into the globalists.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
So here's the first way.
alex jones
I have been on a mission to expose the real powerful globalist mafia that is dominant.
And so to get into their club at one level.
There's a lot of different ways to get in the club.
There's different angles, different systems, and there's different overlapping things.
But I guess the quickest way to get in the club would be join the military, join special operations, follow whatever orders they say, get in the right groups.
The first thing is they'll want you to sleep with prostitutes.
Then they'll want you to deal some drugs.
Then they'll want you to have sex with an underage girl.
jordan holmes
Naturally.
alex jones
And then once they've got you compromised, then they'll start having you murder people.
First, it'll be people on the base they don't like, and it just kind of expands on from there.
It's kind of like A Few Good Men kind of gives you that idea, like, you know, take care of this guy, but that was just one level.
They don't just kill somebody one time because the...
As the colonel says so, it goes up the chain to see what you'll do.
dan friesen
Movie number three.
Yeah.
So that's one way you can get the globalists.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Watch a few good men.
dan friesen
Special operations and then just do anything.
jordan holmes
Just do whatever you're talking about.
dan friesen
Whatever they ask you to do.
jordan holmes
Whatever you say.
Oh, okay.
You want me to sleep with sex workers?
That seems like a reasonable thing for my boss to desire.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
I'll go ahead and do that.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
jordan holmes
And also, I feel like...
dan friesen
You're selling drugs for the colonel?
jordan holmes
I feel like you're much more fine with murder than you are with selling drugs, right?
If you joined special ops.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Why are they getting you to sell drugs before the murder?
dan friesen
Because that's part of what compromises you.
jordan holmes
No, the murder is uncompromising.
You've already compromised for the murder.
You're like, give me a gun to murder.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I think it's partially because Alex is making this shit up.
jordan holmes
I think it could have a lot to do with it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And so there's another way, though.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And this way is a bit more grotesque.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
This does involve abusing and killing children.
unidentified
There we go.
dan friesen
And so here is him explaining that.
jordan holmes
All right.
alex jones
That's one model.
It would be to get into Army Special Operations, and then you can get fast-tracked into being a hitman.
But, I mean, who would really want that?
dan friesen
For real.
alex jones
That's one angle.
jordan holmes
Terrible job.
alex jones
Who would also be a top scientist, already be a successful banker?
Get in with Jeffrey Epstein.
You know when you go to Jeffrey Epstein who picked up the MI6 blackmail ring.
jordan holmes
Can't get in with him anymore.
alex jones
Maxwell's dad who was Israeli intelligence.
And then you go to him and you say to Epstein, I want to go in Florida or Little St. John Island or I want to go to your New York compound and I want to have sex with kids.
And I want you to videotape it so I can be in the club.
And he comes right in and there's cameras and they bring in a five-year-old kid and they have sex with him.
A five-year-old?
Oh, even that young, yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
alex jones
Oh, yeah.
They're only in limited hangouts with 15- and 16-year-old girls and 14-year-old girls.
And then, at a higher level, they fly out to an island and they go, you know what?
Jeffrey's not here this week, but we got all that tape on you and everything you did.
You're going to sign all those billions you've got over to us, and we're going to let you manage it, or we're going to release that information.
And the people are like, okay, I'll do whatever you say.
That's why I came and did this.
They go, all right.
Well, we got some kids that have caused us a problem.
There's a nine-year-old and five-year-old down there in this basement.
So here's a hatchet.
We want you to go kill him right now.
And you go in and you beat and you kill him with a hatchet.
So yeah, that's what they do.
pearl davis
Where do they get the kids from?
jordan holmes
That's your question.
alex jones
Oh, there's millions of them that grab all the treats every year here.
I mean, here's an example right here.
Overhead shot, please.
dan friesen
Overhead shot, please.
Alex is doing this like it's his show.
jordan holmes
Oh my god!
dan friesen
That's an overhead shot so that he can get a picture of an InfoWars article to help convince this young lady of his grotesque fantasies.
jordan holmes
It's unreal.
alex jones
Here's a hatchet.
jordan holmes
Unreal.
The empathy noise.
unidentified
No!
jordan holmes
Oh no!
What are you talking about?
What are you talking about?
Do not make that noise.
That is absurd.
How dare you just...
If she's not fucking with him, I don't understand human beings.
dan friesen
Yeah, see, I don't think she is.
jordan holmes
I don't think she is either.
dan friesen
But it would be interesting for her to be fucking with him.
And then simultaneously with Alex's constant movie references, it would be funny if he was fucking with her.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But I think they're both sincerely engaging in this interview.
That's unfortunate.
jordan holmes
It is two completely...
Two people...
Occupying completely separate universes from each other and definitely from us.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But there's still a...
A common cause between the two of them in some form.
unidentified
No.
No.
jordan holmes
That is...
In fact, that sound almost makes me angry.
That's your response?
To actually believing this bullshit?
Your response to that is...
dan friesen
Not a hatchet.
jordan holmes
Not at five.
What?
dan friesen
Yeah, but she does have a good question, and that is why would people do this?
Because it's ridiculous.
jordan holmes
It's ridiculous.
dan friesen
So she asks that, and pay attention, because at the end of this clip, you'll hear an audio shift, which I think is really strange.
pearl davis
But why would someone do that to begin with?
It's like a power thing?
alex jones
Okay, to join MS-13.
pearl davis
They're normal people, like, starting, right?
Like, the people that are in this group.
alex jones
Well, no, I mean, there's a lot of different ways to get inside.
I told you, like, a military route to get into one level of it.
There's also, a lot of these people are born into rich families.
jordan holmes
Like her.
alex jones
And, you know, you're an ultra-rich, super old family that's been running, say, the heroin trade for 400 years.
And you've got, you know, your son that you want to toughen up.
So you put him in Yale at Skull and Bones, and they get tapped.
unidentified
Toughen them up!
alex jones
You know, their, I guess, junior year.
And that's worshipping Satan, bathing in feces, sleeping in coffins, Satan worshipping.
And homosexual sex.
And that's all.
Anthony Sutton got that information.
Charlotte Iserby's dad was a member of it.
And they leaked that in the 70s.
That's how we have all the documents on Skull and Bones.
And so that's what they do there.
And so for the rich Yalies and Harvard folks, they've all got their own Skull and Bones.
That's just the one at Yale's called Skull and Bones.
Chapter 322.
They've got these Germanic death cult clubs all over.
So that's kind of the highest levels, like Bohemian Grove.
It's like a German death cult motif.
Take, like, MS-13.
They're a particularly nasty crew.
dan friesen
It was jarring.
There's something really weird about that audio there.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know what happened.
It could be a tech issue that they had to stop down or something.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that sounds right.
dan friesen
Or maybe Alex said some shit that he wanted her cut out.
And we'll never know, because I wouldn't trust either of them to tell me what happened.
jordan holmes
Totally.
Yep.
dan friesen
Very strange.
When you're interviewing a conspiracy theorist, don't make edits.
jordan holmes
I mean...
unidentified
Don't make cuts.
jordan holmes
That's just a terrible, terrible idea.
dan friesen
You need the raw.
jordan holmes
I mean, I can't...
Yep.
dan friesen
Because now I'm imagining he said some wild stuff, like Ashley on the challenge.
jordan holmes
Totally.
Yeah.
And I mean, the audio is a drastic change.
So something happened in the physical space that changed that.
dan friesen
And there's a jump cut.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
Yeah, so it's picking up a thought.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I don't like it.
jordan holmes
I don't like it.
dan friesen
Anyway, Alex didn't get all this stuff about bathing in feces and what have you from Anthony Sutton documents or anything like that.
Turns out...
alex jones
I mean, take Skull and Bones.
First you go and worship Lucifer and ask Lucifer to enter your body and lay in coffins for three days and are reborn and then bathe in feces.
jordan holmes
Like you do.
alex jones
And it's not even a whitewash.
It's true.
Robert De Niro produced, he's also in it, a Matt Damon...
Starring movie The Good Shepherd.
That's about Skull and Bones and the CIA.
And that's a true story.
And so for him, every year they would not just have elitists at the club.
They would pick one person from the common man that was really good, the captain of the team, and had perfect scores.
He wasn't from a rich family.
That's based on a true story of the guy that created the CIA coming out of that.
That came out of the OSS.
jordan holmes
A common man.
alex jones
I mean, literally, he's in a vat of feces with people pissing on him.
And that's what they do.
And with a guy dressed up like the devil doing black magic rituals over them.
And that's what they do at that level.
And then they still got to have the military training, though, to actually get the higher levels of it.
Then they take them out of college, you know, with ROTC.
Then they're put into the military.
Then they go out and make their bones, killing people.
And, I mean, there's two groups.
It's the same group, but there's two different paths.
You can either molest kids and murder kids to be in the club.
Or you can go still do satanic rituals.
Have homosexual relationships with people so they have to be blackmailed, and then murder other men, bare minimum.
And that's kind of the old track to make sure they had you compromised.
They mainly just moved to the pedophile track.
dan friesen
Because that's what my audience is most interested in getting scared about, and so that's basically what they're doing now.
jordan holmes
That's how we get to the trans stuff.
That makes things a lot easier for me right now.
It's really helpful of them to really make this easy for me.
Because that way I don't have to talk about both of them.
I can just kind of focus on one.
dan friesen
Fourth movie reference, Good Shepherd.
jordan holmes
Yep, yep, yep, yep.
dan friesen
Also interesting to ponder.
The very difficult question that if that movie was revealing stuff about the globalists, why would arch-globalists Robert De Niro and Me Demon make that movie?
jordan holmes
Yeah, that does seem weird for them, people you have described as those people.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Oh, well, well.
You may never know.
jordan holmes
You know, I find all of this so very frustrating.
One of my big issues for a lot of stuff, as I've grown older and I've learned more about myself and people, is just logistics.
When you say, oh, that guy's bathing in a vat of feces and they're all peeing on him.
dan friesen
How do you get that shit?
jordan holmes
The vat!
How long did that take?
You know what I'm saying?
My belief in humanity now is more based around the idea that we are going to find a quicker and simpler and lazier way to do just about everything.
dan friesen
Let's say that these people who are in college are like 5 '8", right?
jordan holmes
Totally.
How much shit are we talking about?
dan friesen
So much!
jordan holmes
So much shit.
dan friesen
It's prohibitive.
jordan holmes
To the point where you would dry out before you would be able to fill up the whole thing!
dan friesen
Or someone at Yale would have to be a shit moister.
jordan holmes
They would have to have a...
dan friesen
Or, flip side of this, someone from Yale...
Someone in the skull and bones is gonna have to go around to dorms and be like, can I bother you for a cup of shit?
jordan holmes
Okay, now, now, let's throw this even further, alright?
Now we know that they're, now we've got a shit guy.
Okay, so we've got a guy who has access to vats-level amounts of shit at all times.
dan friesen
All globalists have a shit guy.
jordan holmes
Absolutely, he's a shit guy.
He's our shit guy, right?
But...
Even then, how much are you paying this shit guy for how much shit?
How many employees is it going to take to put the shit from the truck into the vat?
Where's the vat sourced from?
How many guys have to schedule it?
You can barely even get a D&D game together.
dan friesen
True.
jordan holmes
And now you're scheduling 10 guys to pee on people?
This is absurd.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's a mess.
I think it's not...
Realistic.
In terms of, like, you know, you need to get, like, Asana together to plan this meeting.
Totally.
But then the other thing, too, is I like the idea of sending people to Yale to toughen them up.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I know!
That was a delight.
dan friesen
They're gonna join the acapella team and get real tough.
jordan holmes
Yes, as we know, the famously rough-and-tumble guys from Yale.
Sure.
dan friesen
Really thickens the skin.
Why don't you send them to a state school?
If someone who is from one of these rich, upper-crust families send them to some normal state school where they'll get bullied for being...
jordan holmes
That won't toughen them up.
That will make them weak.
They'll think their fellow man is equal to them.
Foolish!
dan friesen
So Alex, his uncle or something, he was a Jason Bourne-style assassin, right?
And so he was doing a lot of killing for the globalists.
But then something happened that is definitely not unlike something that's in a movie.
pearl davis
Yeah, because it sounds so crazy to the average person that, like, they would just...
jordan holmes
It does.
It really does.
pearl davis
Someone would be open to doing that.
jordan holmes
It does, doesn't it?
pearl davis
Okay, so then what happens then?
alex jones
Well, they do it by increments.
They do it by increments.
And again, I wasn't ever told any of this because it was dangerous stuff.
But my dad was really close with his, quote, uncle's earliest cousin.
They grew up together, you know, on the same street, same farm.
And he went away and was in the army in Vietnam and all that stuff and came back and all that stuff.
And, you know, growing up, we'd go visit and he was gone sometimes there.
But, you know, he would just have his cows and he bred rabbits and ate those and he was a big farmer guy.
But sometimes he would just have to go away on business all of a sudden.
And later he told my dad, many years before he died, that, yeah, the government's bad and it's out of control.
dan friesen
It's bad.
alex jones
Blah, blah, blah.
And what he'd been doing for many years.
From the time he was stationed in Germany, in Europe, and then on through, he'd get an order to go kill somebody.
And then he was doing it for the Army Special Operations and for the presidential orders.
And then they wanted to be more clandestines.
They said, well, we're going to have you try out for the CIA.
We're going to give you a big position here.
But...
We want you to go to Chicago and do some stuff for us.
So he was in Chicago for a while.
And then he said they asked you to do something so horrible.
He wouldn't say exactly what it was.
He never told me this.
He told my dad about it.
unidentified
Until...
alex jones
He told me a little bit, actually.
But he read my book, my first book.
jordan holmes
Shut up!
alex jones
One time we were sitting around at Thanksgiving.
And he's sitting there looking at a.45.
dan friesen
We're at the adult's table.
jordan holmes
Obviously.
alex jones
You know what?
You can have it.
jordan holmes
The kid's table has smaller guns.
alex jones
I just read your book.
That you, you know, published a few months ago.
He goes, you're lucky to be alive.
He goes, I'd be surprised if you don't get killed for that.
Because, you know.
And then I didn't have the full story that he was actually sitting there telling me how dangerous that was.
But he knew.
But he was basically asked to kill a whole family.
And I can kind of suss out because a lot of these, what they do is if they really want to demonize somebody when they kill them, they come in, they tie you up, however they do it.
And then they tell you, if you don't.
Fill out this suicide note.
I'm going to kill your family.
And your wife and kids are tied up in the corner.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
And as soon as you do that, they just basically use the note.
Then they kill your wife, kill your kids, and then they kill you.
And then they put the gun in your hand and say you murdered them as that deal.
But what he described was basically kill a family, and he wasn't going to do that.
So it's kind of that Scarface moment that's a fictional movie, but based on, again, context of things that Oliver Stone went around and De Palma went around and took a decade to write that script.
But at the end, he goes, no women, no kids, and they're going to blow up the car of the guy exposing the narcotics trafficking.
You are telling me the movie.
jordan holmes
You are describing a movie to me.
dan friesen
Movie number five, Scarface.
jordan holmes
Jesus fucking Christ.
unidentified
Now, I would assume No women, no kids, Dan.
dan friesen
I would assume that if you are an assassin that has worked on government orders and from the president and all this high-level stuff...
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
I'm gonna guess that whoever you're working for isn't gonna put up with that kind of sass.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry?
You are not...
Are you telling me that not every assassin has a strict moral code that they adhere to regardless of who employs them at any given point in time?
Such that the movies would suggest were the case?
dan friesen
Well, here's actually the only reason I believe, Alex.
And that is because assassins have a crazy good union.
They can make demands of their employers like, I won't kill women.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
They can do stuff like that, and then the employer won't just kill them.
jordan holmes
So strange.
They won't hire an assassin to assassinate them.
dan friesen
If you're operating in this kind of space, if such a space does exist.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You are dead.
You don't make demands of your boss.
You know that your job is to murder for them.
jordan holmes
But what I don't understand is that there is a concept of yes or no in this universe.
It's live or dead.
dan friesen
You kill them or you're dead.
jordan holmes
Or if you tell me to kill them and I don't kill them, then I have to kill you.
There's no back and forth.
There's no like, hey, how about we talk about this real quick?
No, it's one or the other.
dan friesen
Maybe you can negotiate a raise.
jordan holmes
Maybe.
dan friesen
But you don't get to choose who you kill?
jordan holmes
No, that's against the rules.
unidentified
That's so dumb.
jordan holmes
That doesn't make any sense!
dan friesen
From an employer standpoint, it would ruin the point of the business.
jordan holmes
Yeah, the whole idea is you kill anybody we say.
dan friesen
Hey, at Dum Dum, guess what?
If your uncle did behave that way, he wouldn't have died in old age.
You wouldn't be around to tell you how great your first book is that no one gave a fuck about.
jordan holmes
Okay, it's all well and good that we live in.
John Wick is actually a...
Moral code ass dude or whatever.
But in real life, what kind of assassin is like, listen, hey, I would never take the life of a woman or a child.
Like, what are you doing?
What are we doing?
dan friesen
It's silly.
Shut the fuck up.
jordan holmes
Get out of here.
dan friesen
Yeah, someone who has the ability and the willingness to kill for a paycheck isn't precious about human life.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
Anyway.
jordan holmes
I would never cross that line.
What are you talking about?
dan friesen
So the globalists act this way maybe because they got shit on its skull and bones.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And maybe it's because they come from a bad bloodline.
Or maybe, who knows, whatever.
But the issue is that they just want to destroy.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
We got black hats running the show who, you can say, why do they do secret rituals?
Why do they rape kids?
Why do they murder people?
Because they have an appetite for innocence and for total control.
That's what they're doing.
And so you see these archetypes in movies and cultures and film and you say, why in this Tom Cruise movie, I forget the name of it, Legend or whatever, does the devil want to kill the unicorns and kill the little maiden?
pearl davis
Right.
alex jones
And it's like, because that's what the devil does.
They just want to kill innocents.
And you see that and you go, oh yeah, big red devil wants to kill unicorns and the maiden.
But that's the archetype for the virgin or for the innocents.
dan friesen
Sixth movie.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think maybe legend.
I don't know.
Devil Wants to Kill Unicorns.
jordan holmes
Sounds like a good plot.
No concept of reality.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Just like none.
No grasp on what is or is not.
Fascinating.
dan friesen
Troubling.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Well, we have different adjectives.
jordan holmes
Oh, I mean, in a world where, in an academic world, very interesting to study.
Real world.
Terrifying.
Don't want it around.
Get it away from me.
dan friesen
And the world.
Allowed to freely disseminate weird ideas as if they are based on anything.
jordan holmes
I'm telling you.
dan friesen
Dangerous.
jordan holmes
We just gotta put them in a dome and...
dan friesen
Truman Show.
jordan holmes
Hire some actors.
Yeah, absolutely.
We can't let him function in the real world.
unidentified
Nope.
dan friesen
A healthy society would biodome it real fast.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
Totally.
That needs to be contained.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So a couple times, Alex has described the globalists as transhumanists.
Sure.
And...
jordan holmes
She has no idea what that is.
dan friesen
Well, maybe.
But she doesn't know how he's using the term.
And so she asks, and it turns out the COVID vaccines...
They've got all kinds of goals.
pearl davis
What do you mean by transhumanists?
alex jones
They believe they've taken control of human evolution, and then they're accelerating human evolution.
They're basically causing mutations on the general public.
So they believe if they give 10 million people a poison shot that mutates their DNA, then most of them will get sick and die.
But out of that will force mutation and create an Ubermension or a Superman.
And then they can extract that knowledge and use it for themselves.
pearl davis
Wait, explain that one more time.
A Superman that they can extract the knowledge and use it for themselves?
alex jones
You know most bigger discoveries.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that one actually seems self-evident.
alex jones
And so they are trying to force mass mutation of the human species and put incredible pressure that kills the majority of us, but out of it survival of the fittest, out of it Comes a new superhuman.
Just like if you spray bugs with a certain poison within five generations on average, they're immune to it.
And so their argument is we're going to kill off most of these useless feeders, we're going to reintroduce survival of the fittest, social Darwinism, get rid of all these useless eaters that are stupid and lazy and dumb, and then force a bunch of mutations to give rise to the Ubermensch.
jordan holmes
The X-Men.
dan friesen
I mean, that...
Isn't my understanding of what the COVID vaccine conspiracy is?
They're trying to create Superman?
jordan holmes
I genuinely do not believe that we have discussed a, actually, COVID is about creating the X-Men and killing everybody else.
dan friesen
Right.
I mean, I understand the depopulation thing.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
I understand the martial law implementation stuff.
These are all things and ideas that are well-worn territory.
We all get it.
Yep.
Creating mutants with superpowers, that's not on my dance card.
jordan holmes
No, and once you add that, that kind of ruins everything else for me.
Because then it's like, oh, well, what are we talking about?
If you're trying to create X-Men, you guys are absolutely insane.
dan friesen
Now, let's take this a step backwards.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Let's say that is their plan.
jordan holmes
Let it?
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
What happens?
You create a Magneto.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
That doesn't work for you.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
The globalists?
jordan holmes
Not gonna help.
dan friesen
Magneto doesn't like you.
jordan holmes
He is not a fan of being controlled.
He's got a five rank or whatever it is in that one movie.
dan friesen
I think this would have the potential to have severe blowback for the globalists.
Should you create mutants who are super powered in some way and they don't like you?
jordan holmes
I'm gonna throw this out at you.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
Alright.
As people obsessed With accruing insane amounts of power and then abusing said power, they should be aware that giving a large amount of power to anyone does leave open the possibility that they will abuse it to them.
dan friesen
But I guess the idea here is that you would create these superpowers and then be able to extract them somehow.
jordan holmes
That doesn't make sense.
dan friesen
No, it doesn't.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
See, when you talk about Occam's razor, there's this.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And then there was a pandemic and they created a vaccine.
jordan holmes
Right.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
Which is simpler.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there is a little bit less...
dan friesen
Probably the mutant one.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Okay.
Are we...
Which is crazier?
Vampires or X-Men?
Is China boarding up vampires?
dan friesen
Wow.
jordan holmes
Or are the globalists making X-Men?
dan friesen
Debatably, we have Blade in the Marvel Universe.
We've got Dr. Michael Morbius.
jordan holmes
There's no escaping!
dan friesen
Right?
jordan holmes
They're everywhere!
dan friesen
These are compatible.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
That's true.
That's the problem with the multiverse, man.
dan friesen
There's an interesting question that we run into, and that is that the COVID vaccine is supposed to kill so many people.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And maybe it didn't.
And so Alex explains away that concern.
unidentified
Okay.
pearl davis
So with COVID, did that kill as many people as they thought it would?
Because I'd imagine if they wanted to just, you know, kill most of the population, couldn't they have just done it with the one shot?
dan friesen
Yep.
pearl davis
Everyone drops dead.
alex jones
That's a great question.
In fact, Dr. Peter McCullough, just yesterday, where's my video list?
I had it in here.
Guys, I don't see my video list.
Somebody bring it in to me.
Peter McCullough just earlier this week is a renowned heart doctor.
dan friesen
Prestigious.
alex jones
He was asked that question.
It's like a three and a half minute clip.
And I'll actually send it to you.
You can add it post if you want.
dan friesen
She didn't.
alex jones
And he was asked the question, why is this happening?
And it's a test.
A certain percentage of the lots is saline on purpose.
Because they've tested lots all over the country.
It's just saline.
They thought it was, because they thought it was the nurses and the healthcare workers giving saline, and it was in some cases, and it was bad.
But in a lot of cases, there was investigations, and the government did it, and others did it, and they'd go pull the lots and go, no, all this is saline.
And then another certain percentage, we actually got them right here, was a little bit of the spike protein and a little bit of the replicating nanotech HIV.
Spike protein.
They took it and synthetically made it.
It's not the whole virus, but it's a toxic spike protein.
unidentified
Sure.
alex jones
And then another smaller percentage, four point something here, let me find it.
jordan holmes
Yes, please find it.
alex jones
Four point something is actually super strong and it's a death sentence for most people.
And so that way they could test where the lots went, what effects it had, but also then it would confuse all the reporting because it wouldn't make sense because why?
The larger numbers weren't dying.
dan friesen
That doesn't make sense.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
So, I would say that, first of all, none of this is true.
Second, that's a bad way to create Superman.
jordan holmes
That is a terrible plan.
dan friesen
If that's part of their plan, then what are you doing?
Only 4% is the good stuff?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Also, you do experiments on smaller numbers in order to then extrapolate so when you do the full-scale thing, you don't need to experiment.
Like, he's trying to say that they're just doing one big, small experiment, and then a big one, and then another big one, and they're behaving as though it's a double-blind study when it's not even close to that.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, you know, I think that he got caught up in his habit of calling it an experimental vaccine, and then it just kind of, you know, you go from there.
jordan holmes
Yeah, got out of control.
dan friesen
So I'm just going to play this next clip.
It's Alex explaining the vaccine.
To Pearl.
jordan holmes
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
And at the end, he says he's about 95% accurate about this.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I would say it's a little lower.
jordan holmes
A little lower than that?
dan friesen
A little lower.
unidentified
All right.
jordan holmes
What movie is he using?
pearl davis
Is that like the boosters?
Outbreak.
Or it's just the different types of shots?
Or how does that...
alex jones
Okay.
Yeah, that's another really complex question.
And I'm not a scientist, but I've interviewed about 80 of them or more in the last three years.
You have two different types of, quote, shots being given.
One is a vaccine, but it's still a gene-manipulating, gene-editing program.
So it's just as bad as mRNA.
It's, in fact, probably worse.
So you've got a virus vector vaccine that was AstraZeneca and J&J.
I'll explain what a virus vector is in a moment.
dan friesen
Sweet.
alex jones
Then you had two mRNA shots, exact same ingredients, exact same patents, by the Pentagon and by...
The NIH and by the CDC, it's a multinational deal.
And out of Chapel Hill, North Carolina, 2014.
So they already had the virus ready, already had it all prepared.
And then the Pentagon comes and says, oh, we can make this really quick.
But people need to think it's a private company.
So they let Moderna and Pfizer put it out.
The Pfizer is the equivalent of one-third, or was it one-fourth?
Of the Moderna.
The Moderna is three times.
No, it's four times stronger.
So the Moderna is the exact same shot of a gene therapy, an mRNA injection, as the Pfizer.
So the Pfizer is only one-fourth the strong, exact same shot.
And so two of them are an mRNA injection, nothing to do with the vaccine.
The other is, quote, a virus vector vaccine, but it fires a virus.
And a bunch of other crazy stuff, a human genome and a chimpanzee genome.
I mean, there's a lot of stuff piggybacked.
Remember, pharmacists would open up the shot records in the little ampoules.
By law, it's supposed to have a big print on what's in it, the testing and everything.
They were all white pieces of paper.
They wouldn't tell you what was in it for a few years.
And so you have the virus vector shots that are J&J and AstraZeneca, where it fires a whole virus in, carrying the program.
To tell the cell to produce a spike protein.
So they had to suspend AstraZeneca and J&J.
They were causing blood clots and heart attacks right up front.
So they kind of hit them with something even worse right up front.
Hard to believe seeing it's worse, but it was probably worse.
Statistics show.
Then you have the Moderna and Pfizer does the same thing, but it orders mRNA to go into the cell and then order to do it instead of a virus factor system.
But they all four ordered by the Pentagon, ordered by Obama.
That's really who runs it, not Biden.
And of course, Trump went along with Warped Speed as well to produce those four, quote, vaccines.
But all four of them are not conventional vaccines.
And that's what they do in the body.
And again, I'm not a scientist.
I'm not a doctor.
I'm going off research of what they said and what went on.
I probably got 95% of that right.
But basically, that's what's going on here.
dan friesen
95%?
jordan holmes
I, okay.
dan friesen
I think it's 2% accurate.
And that is that there are vaccines.
jordan holmes
I've come up with an idea for a show.
And we can pitch this.
We're in Chicago, so we've got plenty of improv places to do this.
dan friesen
Not the suburbs.
jordan holmes
Everybody has to try and improvise the definition of something that they don't know what it is.
You know what I'm saying?
That is a three and a half minute long improvised definition of a vaccine that he just made up.
A whole cloth.
dan friesen
It was multiple vaccine definitions.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
And the storyline around them.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Which is fun.
jordan holmes
None of which includes, like, what is this vaccine made of?
dan friesen
And it's fun that she's just going along like, mm-hmm.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
jordan holmes
Oh, obviously.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That makes perfect sense.
dan friesen
And, you know, you could be tempted to feel like there is a disbelief that she could be expressing.
jordan holmes
None.
dan friesen
But listen to this.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Listen to this.
pearl davis
No, I'm just wondering what percent of people will die from the vaccines, because it just seems like it would have been higher, because the numbers I've seen, it's like less than 10%, but I know those are really manipulated, too.
alex jones
Yeah, no one is sure, except the best numbers we have are multinational insurance companies, and Edward Dowd is a big numbers cruncher and has had some big whistleblowers, high-level statisticians and actuarialists come out.
So I would point your listeners at Cause Unknown.
He wrote the book, Cause Unknown, knowing it's the shots, but just leaving it there and then showing the data.
Robert F. Kennedy Jr. has been promoting that book, and I've been interviewing him for several years, even before the book came out, or even his whistleblowers came out.
But all the whistleblowers he talked about did indeed, that were advising him, did come out.
One of them is, like, the recognized top statistician out there in the world.
Top, prestigious.
jordan holmes
One of the best.
alex jones
And there's a 40-plus percent increase in unnatural death in the countries that took any one of the four shots.
pearl davis
Wow.
alex jones
So these are bigger death increases than we saw per capita in World War II and World War I. Wow.
So, yeah, a 40-plus percent increase in death.
pearl davis
I took it, so I'm trying to figure out my odds here.
unidentified
You know what I mean?
dan friesen
You're fine.
unidentified
Wow.
dan friesen
Yeah, so I would say I kind of agree with her because she's saying the number is less than 10%, but it's way less.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But the fact that she's like, that's kind of in the conversation is a 10% death rate from taking the vaccine.
Oh, my God.
Anyway, that 40% death increase thing was from a story that came out at the beginning of 2022, reflecting numbers from 2021.
The insurance professionals who came out with that story absolutely did not blame the vaccines and said it was because of the Delta variant and, quote, deferred medical care during the pandemic.
The trend of excess deaths went upward prior to the existence of the vaccine and has gone down since the...
So the idea of tying it to the vaccine is really dumb.
But Pearl is just eating it all up.
jordan holmes
I mean, it's amazing.
dan friesen
I can't imagine.
That would be about 500 million people who would need to be dead now, or 71 times how many people died from COVID.
To even float that as a potentially true thing you heard, it requires a painfully uncurious mind.
This is why I played that clip of her...
Talking about the misleading statistic from the manosphere.
It's because she's doing the same shit.
This is just what she does.
jordan holmes
That's amazing.
dan friesen
She hears dumb shit and then repeats it.
jordan holmes
10%.
You really think that you are really going to sit there and you're going to say, well, they could hide a 10% death rate.
dan friesen
500 million.
jordan holmes
From the Earth.
Satellites would pick up how many people are dropping dead every goddamn second.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's how many people...
Do you know why the decimate the population is said with that kind of decimate, that kind of rage inside of it?
Because it's horrific!
dan friesen
Yeah, the implications of what she's suggesting could possibly be the case are ridiculous.
And almost...
And, you know, this is part of the reason why I don't think it's reasonable to take her seriously.
Yeah, yeah.
But the way that we work around this is Alex's it's mostly saline kind of thing.
And that's why there's not 500 million people dead.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
And, you know, Alex just trots out a bunch of excuses for why she's not dead, even though she took it.
alex jones
Do you remember that day?
Did they pull the vial out of a refrigerator?
pearl davis
I don't remember.
unidentified
Oh, fuck you.
pearl davis
They brought it to the front.
jordan holmes
Mentalist ass.
alex jones
Already loaded in a needle?
pearl davis
Gosh, I don't remember.
It was so long ago.
alex jones
Well, here's also a ray of sunshine.
dan friesen
Sweet.
alex jones
If it gets above 87 degrees for even five minutes, the Pfizer-Moderna mRNA jacketing...
Of these nanoparticles that they use, basically it's a high-tech form of antifreeze, breaks down, and the nanolipid particles don't stay encased around the mRNA reprogrammer.
And so, because of laziness, thank God, a lot of people are spared because it's still toxic, it's still not good for you, but it doesn't get the spike protein replicating.
And, again, if you've got lots of different, lots of different vials being sent out around and until people get boosters, it basically confuses the medical system about what's actually killing the people.
Does that make sense?
And they also say, oh, people are dying because they didn't have their boosters, and really they're dying from the first shot they got.
Does that make sense?
pearl davis
Yeah.
No, I didn't have any side effects from it, but...
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
pearl davis
Yeah, I get nervous on Twitter now.
I see all these people dying.
I'm like, oh gosh, I hope not me.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Oh.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
Stay off that side of Twitter, then.
jordan holmes
Is it stupid?
Stay off all of it.
You go to a monastery somewhere and just work shit out.
This needs to happen away from the rest of us.
There needs to be a hole.
God, I want the Matrix to be real just to get her up to speed faster.
dan friesen
Oh, I also didn't include this clip because I think it was from another video of hers I watched where she was discussing the red pill stuff and she said, I've never seen the Matrix, but it's my understanding.
I'm understanding that what it means is...
jordan holmes
I mean, there's something almost like...
Like, she is discovering...
Like, we're doing a magic school bus version of this story, you know?
This is like, she's going to Miss Frizzle at the Pyramids of Giza being like, what happened here?
And she's like, ah, the Egyptian pharaohs were very old!
dan friesen
But it's not wonder and childlike discovery of the world.
It's being lied to by abusive, racist...
Misogynist men.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's what's going on.
That's her Miss Frizzle.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and her reaction to it is so mind-boggling to me.
dan friesen
Well, it's just not curious.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, it's not even...
And not emotionally connected to it.
There's a distance...
dan friesen
It almost seems like she's a giant pothead, the way she's talking.
But I don't think she is, based on all of her other positions.
jordan holmes
I mean, it is like a true representation of what being rich can do to a person.
You know, like, just that...
Five years old?
Oh!
People aren't people to me.
This is not real.
dan friesen
I took the vaccine and I'm on Twitter and I see all these people dying and I'm very worried about it.
I had no side effects.
Thank God Alex is reassuring me that probably the dose was out too long and giving me all these reasons why I'm not dead.
Who dodged a bullet there?
Also, if the globalists fucked this up by laziness, I'm not scared of the globalists.
jordan holmes
That's what I'm saying!
I'm not scared.
I'm sitting here going, like, these people can organize fucking dunking shit vat piss parties.
Right.
They can do this without a hitch regularly.
dan friesen
I'm thinking of, like, the globalists getting together.
Like, people aren't dying from the vaccines, and they're like, they try and figure it out.
jordan holmes
What happened?
dan friesen
And they're like, oh, it turns out if it's outside, like, over 80 degrees for five minutes, it doesn't work.
And then everyone's just in the boardroom like, fuck.
jordan holmes
Motherfucking Terry!
We told you it was your job to be the heat guy!
dan friesen
Terry, we're fired.
unidentified
God damn it!
jordan holmes
Terry, get the fuck out of here!
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
We'll go get a new job working for the other people.
Terry, we kill people when we fire them.
alex jones
Shut up!
unidentified
Get out of here!
dan friesen
Apparently not.
jordan holmes
I'll go talk to Alex.
That's a great idea.
dan friesen
So we switch topics here now.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's about time.
dan friesen
Yeah, and Pearl brings up one of her beliefs, and that is that women shouldn't vote.
jordan holmes
Great.
I bet she's got a real smug smile about it on her face, doesn't she?
dan friesen
I will be honest that I didn't end up watching this whole thing.
I watched a bit of it, and then I listened to the rest.
jordan holmes
Worth it.
dan friesen
But I would assume so.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So she pitches this, and then Alex has a very offensive rejoinder.
jordan holmes
Okay.
pearl davis
So I was thinking, I have a controversial view, right?
unidentified
Quite.
pearl davis
And I was thinking, because if there are these globalists, right, I'd imagine they're trying to break down the family, right?
I'd imagine they're behind maybe some of those policies, too.
And I was wondering, do you think it started?
Because I don't think women should vote.
Yeah, because when I looked at the early anti-suffragists, like, writings, the women were talking about how this was going to be the beginning of the breakdown of the family, and I couldn't even believe it.
I didn't even think about it, because it's, like, before it was, like, two became one in marriage.
Do you think it started, like, before, because that would have been 1920.
Do you think, like, has this existed before then?
alex jones
Well, look, I mean, here's what goes on.
In any industrial society, people are going to get lazy and stupid and not live off the land and not be based in reality.
That's been observed for thousands of years by philosophers that multi-generations brought up in cities become stupid, criminal, lazy, a whole list of things.
And so what's affecting women and being lackadaisical and seeming to be dumb, so are the men.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry?
alex jones
So it's a collapse of civilization and humanity.
And then the system wanted to get all the women in the workforce so the children could be raised by the state, and women statistically aren't happy.
But some women do want to be in the workforce.
Some women want to be astronauts or doctors or scientists, and they make great ones.
I'm fine with that.
But women will then tell you all the studies that are actually, on average, not happy with that.
And they realize that it was a setup.
So it's kind of like this.
Apartheid was a terrible system, and I'm not defending it in South Africa.
But in national polls in Africa, even the Africans will tell you, man, it was better before.
unidentified
Wow.
Wow!
dan friesen
So when you said, when she said, I have a controversial view, and you're like, no, you don't.
jordan holmes
You don't have any views.
dan friesen
Well, what it is, is I heard some angry dude say this, and I'm repeating it, and it's cool, because I'm a woman saying...
unidentified
Shut the fuck up.
jordan holmes
Get out of here.
dan friesen
So you were...
Just scrawling on your notes.
I'm curious what that was.
jordan holmes
I'm blown away because what she was implying, or what she was asking Alex, essentially, was...
Did all of this globalist shit happen because we let women vote?
dan friesen
Uh, yeah.
Well, somewhat, yeah.
jordan holmes
She was like, did this go on before then?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Before 1920?
dan friesen
There was, well, yeah, the breaking up of the family.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
She is essentially arguing or asking Alex, like, hey.
dan friesen
If only men were in charge, would globalism...
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But I don't think Alex even caught that as, like, part of what her question was.
Yeah.
And also, I think that the suffragettes and women's lib kind of activists, when they talk about destruction of family, if they were even using those terms, it would be the destruction of the tyranny of the family where the woman is property.
And I think that's different than destroying a family.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
Yeah, you know, there is that romantic idea of when two become one, but then there's also that idea of when a dude now owns a lady and whatever comes out of her.
dan friesen
There's also that Spice Girls song, To Become One.
jordan holmes
Oh.
A little bit different.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Scandalized me as a child.
That lyric, be a little bit wiser, baby.
Put it on.
Put it on.
Because tonight is the night.
Talking about condoms in this song.
jordan holmes
Wait, did the breakup of the family happen before or after the Spice Girls?
dan friesen
They might have done it.
jordan holmes
It might have been them.
It might have been them.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Say you'll be there?
jordan holmes
And so she knows anti-suffragette shit from the 20s?
That's what we've got?
dan friesen
That's what we're bringing to the table here?
Because she read some fucking male rights blog or something.
jordan holmes
That's what I'm saying.
You don't have any views.
dan friesen
You're empty.
Of your own volition, I find it highly doubtful that you would have read the writings of suffragettes.
jordan holmes
Fuck off, yeah.
dan friesen
You might have read a paragraph on a blog.
jordan holmes
Get out of here.
dan friesen
So what Alex was saying is a comically offensive...
unidentified
Oh yeah, I didn't even want to engage with anything he said.
dan friesen
If you follow the trail of his words, he's making the argument that some women want rights, but most realize that getting rights was a trick.
jordan holmes
It was a setup!
dan friesen
And they're more unhappy with rights.
jordan holmes
Oh, you bastards.
dan friesen
And then he compares it to apartheid, suggesting that South Africans would prefer to go back to apartheid.
jordan holmes
Obviously.
dan friesen
Also, he said National Polls of Africa.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Which is fun.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
I'm really starting to believe that Alex either doesn't understand the reality of what happened under apartheid, or he really is a brutal white supremacist who's trying to mask his true beliefs.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I just can't see any other option, and the only way it's plausible that he doesn't understand the reality of it is if he only knows about apartheid through the lens of anti-communist propagandists and the John Birch Society, who made it their business to downplay what things were really like in order to demonize and scare them all.
about communism coming after apartheid was removed.
If that's his only point of reference, then maybe it's not based on wanting to...
jordan holmes
Sure, I mean, that's the fear of everybody, is that children growing up in Florida will be like, wow, it is amazing how plantation owners were so nice to those people that they allowed to live on their land for free.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
There is an issue with that being your point of view.
dan friesen
Yeah, if you don't know reality, you will probably not...
jordan holmes
Be willing to repeat the same stupid shit that happened before.
dan friesen
So also, the Washington Post, Harvard, and the Kaiser Family Foundation did a wide-scale survey across the population of South Africa in 2004, and would you be surprised to learn that Alex is full of shit?
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
Ask if they would want to go back to apartheid.
10% of black respondents said yes, and only 19% of white people did too.
Only 19% of the people who would benefit the most from it.
So even Alex's racist ideas aren't accurate.
Alex thinks that people would rather go back to apartheid because he would rather live in that system.
Because he doesn't care about what people would have to suffer under.
In the same way that he can imagine that a vast majority of women would prefer to have no rights.
That would be a net positive for him, since at very least his wife couldn't call the cops on him anymore.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So he just, hey, that'd be good.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I would prefer that, therefore it must be the most popular thing.
jordan holmes
That's another good point, alright?
Even if you are white in an apartheid system, it's still a shitty system.
It's only good for a very small number of people who have all of the power.
And even though, theoretically, you're not the race that's under the oppressed boot, you're being oppressed by fucking...
Oh my god, I hate the world.
I hate them.
dan friesen
I hate them.
It's ridiculous for Alex to be suggesting things like this.
jordan holmes
It's absurd.
dan friesen
And it's ridiculous that Pearl probably actually doesn't know what apartheid is.
jordan holmes
She probably doesn't.
She genuinely probably doesn't.
dan friesen
She doesn't ask what it is, so we don't know.
jordan holmes
26 years old in 2023.
dan friesen
Wow.
So Alex starts telling her about the Huxley brothers.
Sure.
And he just lies.
alex jones
The social engineers came in.
Aldous Huxley, whose brother was the founder of the transhumanist movement, and it was the head of the world eugenics movement, but also the head of the United Nations UNESCO program.
He wrote a book, Julian Huxley.
Aldous Huxley wrote a book.
In 1931, Brave New World, that was fiction.
But in 61, he gave a Berkeley speech, and he just released Brave New World Revisited, nonfiction, where he explained, this is a real plant for the world.
This is how we foresee things by the year 2030 or so.
And we want to end the family for the general public.
People will live in 200 square foot cubes.
You'll be fed insect protein, and you'll have your IQ set at about 80. Wait, when was that released?
It was written in 1931.
jordan holmes
Good question.
pearl davis
Oh, wow.
dan friesen
Whoa.
alex jones
But the point is, he wrote a book in 61 saying, 30 years later, saying, this is our real plan.
So, he explained that.
And he said, you know, George Arwell, everybody thinks that's the future.
No, that's just in mop-up operations.
90% of our control will make you love your servitude.
And so he said we're going to separate men and women, destroy the family, then we're going to make people sexless.
That's really what they're doing.
First they say a fat man in a clown suit defecating on a crucifix is a woman.
And then now if you go to these events, it's like men with shaved heads and clown outfits dancing around with pentagrams saying they love Satan.
So first a man is now a woman.
And then now a man that's a woman is a fat guy in a clown outfit.
So they're robbing our humanity.
They're robbing who we are.
They are desecrating the sacredness of man and woman together.
dan friesen
Yeah, so of course it wove into transphobia.
jordan holmes
Sooner or later we're going to get there.
dan friesen
Yeah, although...
It did strike me while listening to that that maybe the people shitting on crucifixes, there's a mop-up team that comes in, steals it, throws it in the vat.
jordan holmes
Just throws it in the vat.
dan friesen
Bada-bing.
unidentified
Bada-boom.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, I mean, listen.
The globalists are a lot of stuff.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
But they are not wasteful.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Especially not when it comes to waste.
dan friesen
Right.
Also, I think clown suits, Alex, just means, like, glitter and sequins.
jordan holmes
I don't even want to know.
dan friesen
Also, all that stuff about Brave New World Revisited is total bullshit.
jordan holmes
We've gone over this.
dan friesen
And it's so fun the way that if you listen to him over time, whatever his, like, current little conspiracy thing is gets worked into that.
Like, you eat insect protein.
That is now a part of that because of Klaus Schwab.
Didn't hear that in the past.
jordan holmes
Didn't hear that in the past.
dan friesen
Nope.
jordan holmes
No, we did not.
dan friesen
Nope.
It's a little new bit of paint on the old body.
unidentified
You don't get to do that.
jordan holmes
You don't get to do that in the real world where that's not allowed.
dan friesen
Well, you do if everyone who's listening to you doesn't give a shit or just blindly believes that you know what you're talking about.
jordan holmes
Or is like this lady.
dan friesen
That was the blindly believes you know what you're talking about.
jordan holmes
I think there's almost even more deep fucked up shit there, but whatever.
dan friesen
So in this next clip, Pearl asks, How do you fight back?
Which is good.
It's an interesting question.
How do you fight back against these globalists?
jordan holmes
I think we all know the answer.
dan friesen
Well, it's not actually go to Infowars.com and scream it to your email list.
It's a long rant.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that sounds right.
dan friesen
So, buckle it up.
This is about five minutes.
jordan holmes
Oh my god, this is the five minute clip.
This is the one that you wanted?
Oh boy.
pearl davis
So how does the average person avoid that?
You know, how does the average person...
Not be a part of this.
Is there any way to?
alex jones
This is a really good question.
How the globalists...
Sorry, go ahead.
pearl davis
No, I said, is there any way to?
alex jones
Yeah, how the globalists do this is increments, successive approximation.
And so they come out and they go, you're incentivized to buy green.
Well, it's the same thing with free speech.
Canada passes laws.
You say the N-word, you go to jail.
Now, I don't like the N-word.
I don't want to call people a name that hurts their feelings, but we knew they'd then pass laws if you say there's only two genders you get arrested, which is now happening in Canada.
Only two genders, you're arrested.
Whether you're right about that or not, you have a right to say it.
Truckers peacefully protesting six months a year in jail in Canada.
Canada's the new globalist WEF model of the globalist.
Klaus Schwab admits it.
Go look it up.
So, it's the same thing.
They come out with these ESG scores put out by the IMF, the World Bank, and BlackRock, and Vanguard funds that control most of the money in the world in investments.
And Larry Fink, the head of Vanguard, said last month, he said, we're using the ESGs and our money to control the future.
So you wonder why the NFL and why Target and why Bud Light destroy themselves pushing the sexualization children.
Because they're trying to get a high ESG score.
And so, oh, oh!
Anheuser-Busch just lost $24 billion.
pearl davis
And that gives them money?
Like, they give them money if they get a high ESG score?
alex jones
Well, let me explain this, okay?
Think of it this way.
You've heard of boycotts, right?
pearl davis
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Have you?
alex jones
Okay, the big banks are saying...
We're going to debank you and not fund you and not support you in the future if you don't follow this list of ongoing demands that are the UN global ESG scores, okay?
You can pull up the German leaders, the British leaders, the French leaders, all of them saying, we are going to implement ESGs in 2022.
So starting last year, they started saying, we are implementing them now.
So it's government with regulations complying to the UN, complying to these multinational WEF.
Last year, the WEF, World Economic Forum, merged with the UN, and the Secretary of the UN said, Secretary General, said, we are now merged with the WEF, and they tell us what to do.
unidentified
Whoa.
jordan holmes
What a weird thing to announce.
alex jones
So the World Economic Forum, the top thousand corporations, they tell the UN what to do, and the UN then creates policy that our governments under UNESCO have agreed to adopt, and then we have those policies.
Did you hear, remember, we're going to ban gas stoves?
All over the world.
Germany's already doing it.
pearl davis
Yes, that was a travesty.
That was a travesty.
alex jones
And then first they said, well, of course, gas is bad.
Of course it's not.
Totally clean.
Then they go, oh, we're not doing that.
Now California and New York have passed laws to ban them.
So that's an ESG.
The ESG says ban all gasoline and diesel engines by 2030.
Well, I mean, California has banned the sale of them after 2030.
Period.
They already banned the sale last year of lawnmowers, leaf blowers, and weed eaters, and gas golf carts.
pearl davis
So we can't even do anything about it.
Like, what are we supposed to even do?
jordan holmes
What do you want to do?
alex jones
You notice what I was just saying.
You asked, what are you doing?
And it's complex, but it's easy.
It's actually simple.
That's why they want me off air, because I've analyzed all these systems and know how to beat them.
It's actually simple once you look at their attack profile and reverse it on them.
They're setting up a global corporate boycott of...
Companies and individuals and groups that don't do what they say through the ESG scoring system.
That is their globalist boycott of us to make us buy their products.
It's really a boycott.
But you see us saying, okay, BlackRock, Vanguard, Anheuser-Busch, Target, North Face, they're all saying we're going to sexualize your kids, your kids belong to us.
We say to them, we're not going to buy your product.
And that's the equivalent of the little people together saying no through information and research.
And now BlackRock publicly lost trillions of dollars in their quadrillion portfolio, which is still a lot.
And so they announced in December they were pulling out of ESG scores.
But what did they do?
They control most of the major companies in the Fortune 1000 with their investment.
So, what did BlackRock do?
Along with Vanguard, same people on both.
They kamikazed and said, fine, we won't implement ESGs.
We'll have all our sub-companies implement ESGs, and we think our investors are too stupid to know it.
But now everybody's just looking where BlackRock invests and pulling out of all those sub-companies well.
So, humanity's really battling back.
I should have started the show with this, so you understand what I'm talking about.
It's really heavy.
So they're trying to bully us through corporate power to buy their products, live the way they want us to live, to shut down all their competition, just like the lockdowns did.
Oh, big box stores are critical, but your small shop isn't.
You go bankrupt and commit suicide, they stay open.
It's all a monopoly.
It's all a vertical integration.
It's all a consolidation operation.
dan friesen
So do you know how to fight back?
ESGs.
jordan holmes
Was that the way to fight back?
dan friesen
Don't buy from big companies, I guess?
jordan holmes
Is it to take my money out of Vanguard?
dan friesen
Yeah, don't buy from big businesses?
jordan holmes
It feels like what he's doing is describing a situation wherein titanic elements battle each other while you just sit there and stare at them.
dan friesen
I guess.
Also, just really quickly, because it was at the beginning of that long nonsense rant, it's not illegal to protest, say, the N-word or be a transphobe in Canada.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
All of that is just Alex lying about how you can't use bigotry to harass people over their race or gender.
That is illegal because it's harassment.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Or how you can't deny somebody a lease on an apartment because of their race or gender because that's illegal discrimination.
When you hear Alex say these kinds of absurd things, it's important to understand that he comes from an intellectual tradition that strongly opposes civil rights.
Once you see it through that lens, the exaggerations he makes don't seem so confusing anymore.
It all tracks.
All the rest of that shit about ESGs is just meaningless garbage that's playing real well in the right-wing media at the moment.
I think most people got tired of hearing scaremongering about the Great Reset and Build Back Better, so this is...
This is the new term that's horrifying patriots.
Oh my God.
Essentially, an ESG score is a number that a company has that reflects its environmental, social, and governance efforts.
It can be self-calculated.
Or there are multiple independent companies that can calculate it for you.
Or you can choose not to participate in it, considering it's a metric that's not necessary to have.
Alex is acting like it's an edict that comes down from on high.
I declare this ESG!
jordan holmes
Do you know what?
My wife and I, we were watching Naked and Afraid.
And there's something that they do that makes me...
I'm annoyingly infuriated by it.
dan friesen
What's that?
jordan holmes
They have this thing called a PSR score, which is the personal survival rate.
dan friesen
Yeah, I've seen that.
jordan holmes
And the way that they calculate it, I don't give a shit about how they calculate it.
Because at the end of the show, they'll just create some bullshit reason and they'll be like, oh, it goes up by.6 or it goes down.
Like, fuck off.
No, you are making up a bullshit number and you're calling it a score.
How dare you?
dan friesen
It's the same thing at the end of every episode of Doomsday Preppers.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
They're like, we give you eight months to survive.
jordan holmes
I recognize that because people think that this is important and companies will pay money for it, that it's not the same exact thing as a made-up PSR score, but it is the exact same thing.
dan friesen
Often, companies don't need to pay for it because they can calculate it themselves and advertise it themselves.
jordan holmes
Or they can make it up the exact same way.
dan friesen
Yeah, they can self-report the entirety of it.
jordan holmes
Oh, we've got a score of 6.8!
dan friesen
It's a benefit for companies to engage with the scoring system, apparently, because it implies a level of transparency that would make investors more likely to commit their money to you.
But ultimately, this has nothing.
So, for instance, two examples came up in that clip that are illustrative.
Stoves and Bud Light.
So, in the case of the stove situation, this has zero to do with ESGs.
It has to do with states deciding to pass regulations about the production of new stoves that are outmoded and polluting.
A company could still make them, I guess, and it wouldn't hurt their ESG, but it would be a violation of state regulation.
In the case of Bud Light, again, ESGs don't come into play at all.
Alex is trying to pretend that having Dylan Mulvaney on a novelty can so she could do a one-off online sponsored video was an attempt on Bud Light to get some ESG points, but that's stupid.
It seems conceivable that you could see a dip in your ESG score if you ran an ad that was openly transphobic and hate-filled, unless you calculate the score yourself, but you're not going to be docked points for not running a one-off ad featuring a trans person.
This is ridiculous.
jordan holmes
That would be a very strange scoring system, and who's judging it would be an even stranger.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Alex is acting like it's dictated from some...
jordan holmes
Yeah, there's some tribunal...
dan friesen
BlackRock is deciding this and imposing it, or Klaus Schwab.
unidentified
I guess.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Overall, ESG frameworks are helpful for some things, but kind of a dumb system as a whole.
dan friesen
You can calculate the score yourself because there's no uniform standardization in it.
If you're an investor, you can look at it and maybe it means something.
But given that an identical business could get a different score from different calculators, you got to take it with a grain of salt.
Yeah.
unidentified
Plus, there are negative aspects to the whole ideology, which largely comes into play when you think about businesses playing up their environmental efforts or social responsibility in ways that aren't actually meaningful.
dan friesen
Think about how every business puts out rainbow stuff for Pride Month and then does nothing for the rest of the year to indicate support for the LGBTQ community.
Right.
unidentified
For the most part, ESGs are not a serious part of business, necessarily.
dan friesen
This is a massive thing for folks like Alex, though, because it has the appearance of being a formalized, uniform, financial version of being arrested for saying the N-word.
All that being said, I'd like to congratulate Alex for discovering one of the very elementary versions of protest and pretending he's invented the wheel.
What he's describing is just a call for reactionary boycotts.
If you see a business supporting the environment or the LGBTQ community or being against racism, drive that company into the ground and pretend you're doing it.
Not because you're full of hate.
It's because of ESGs.
That's all that he's doing.
That's the way you fight back against the globalists.
Anytime there is a business that has a rainbow flag up, boycott them.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
Yep.
Oh, the revolutionary spirit is not dead in America, Dan.
dan friesen
Yeah, I found that to be at least an answer other than go to my website.
But it is just disgusting and reactionary.
jordan holmes
The problem with a lot of the what do we do about this stuff is it's not like we're in a new problem, you know?
We've all had discussions about where we are in the past because we have all been here in the past.
You are not coming up with a new idea when you're like, how about we take to the streets?
Yes, indeed.
We have done this in the past.
Perhaps we should learn the things that we've done in the past and not pretend that we invented the very first boycott.
dan friesen
Yeah, and Alex's sort of model of boycotts is like...
It would be right at home at a time when it's like, boycott this business if they serve black people.
That's the tradition and spirit that's within his answer to solving the globalists.
jordan holmes
And that's because they won't let us get away with a Tulsa anymore.
dan friesen
So Alex says that most of us are dead already.
And Pearl wants a little bit of a...
What do you mean by that?
alex jones
But they've almost got us.
Sperm counts are down 90%.
I mean, look.
jordan holmes
90%.
alex jones
Most of us are dead already.
So, I mean, but we can organize and realize what they've done to us.
pearl davis
Most of us are dead already?
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Especially you.
alex jones
Yeah, that's a cheesy quote, but it's a really good scene.
I don't like Star Trek, but I do like Rathacon.
It's a classic.
I like the original 60s Star Trek, but anything I don't like other than Rathacon.
It's liberal UN, globalist propaganda, but...
dan friesen
Sure.
alex jones
There are engines out, and this Genesis bomb is about to go off, so we're going to kill them.
And they've just defeated Khan, but Captain Kirk says, you've got to get us out of here.
We've got to have light speed in three minutes, and we're all dead.
And then Spock realizes that they're all dead, so no one wants to go in the radiation chamber and fix the reactor.
It's a classic story based on Jimmy Carter going into a reactor and fixing it, and some other guys I knew that were in a deep-sea submarine rescue.
Actually went in and turned reactors on and off.
Because after Carter did it, they would make the officers repeat it.
unidentified
Fuck Carter.
alex jones
I know a submarine commander, they didn't do it.
He got radiated really bad, but that's a side issue.
dan friesen
It is.
jordan holmes
Old man explains Star Trek to young girl!
alex jones
Stop the presses!
dan friesen
Tell a story about Jimmy Carter.
alex jones
So the spot goes in and fixes the reactor.
Of course, it kills him.
Captain Kirk, once they get light speed, goes, well, you better come down to the engine room.
And Spock is going in, is up against the wall, blind now from the radiation, stumbling around.
He goes, you know, he went in and he goes, we've got to save him.
We've got to get him.
They grab Captain Kirk and they go, he's dead already.
So most of us are already going to not live as long.
We're already dead.
And most of our kids are going to die.
jordan holmes
We got there.
alex jones
We're going to have to now realize they did it, organize, win the war against them, arrest the globalists, stop the secret eugenics, depopulation operation, clean this up, and then mitigate it.
But they may have heard it so bad it may cause civilizational collapse.
That's what Musk has been warning of.
Yeah.
unidentified
If you don't have a 2.1 replacement level, the civilization level collapses.
dan friesen
I think we're up there.
Yeah.
unidentified
Boy.
dan friesen
So we're dead already.
jordan holmes
Most of us are dead already.
What exactly does that mean?
unidentified
Actually, I wasn't saying that in seriousness.
dan friesen
I just wanted to quote a movie.
jordan holmes
I was referencing a movie.
dan friesen
Because I like movies.
unidentified
I don't like Star Trek because it's globalist propaganda.
jordan holmes
Oh my god.
Except I know everything about it and I love it desperately and I speak about it with a confidence that I know what I'm talking about that I have in no other aspect of my conversations.
dan friesen
So then he talks about...
Jimmy Carter, and then a submarine rescue guy that he knew that had to do what Jimmy Carter did.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
And it was funny, because we were talking over it a little bit, but it turns out his name is Don Darling.
And that's a fun name.
It's also the name of a Tim Balz character that he plays on Comedy Bang Bang, who's a sugar daddy who has a couple of Culver's restaurants.
jordan holmes
If Tim Balz does it, then you know it's true.
dan friesen
I'd just like to imagine that that character is one of Alex's old buddies.
jordan holmes
That sounds right.
dan friesen
Anyway, Pearl's dad tried to get her into gardening.
Maybe she should have.
jordan holmes
She should go to gardening.
pearl davis
My dad told me when I was a kid that I should garden and I'd always whine and I wouldn't do it.
I'm like thinking maybe I should have listened, you know?
alex jones
Well, I mean, we're designed epigenetically to go out and garden.
I mean, have you ever noticed when you start really planting plants and watering them and picking them and, like, you kind of get high?
jordan holmes
We're designed epigenetically to plant things?
alex jones
I mean, I mean, whether you're mowing the yard...
jordan holmes
What the fuck are you talking about?
dan friesen
I don't know if I necessarily agree with the epigenetically designed thing, but I do agree with him that when you're growing plants, there is a rush to it.
jordan holmes
I understand.
dan friesen
It is exciting.
jordan holmes
I recognize that that is a valid truth.
However, let's just go out on a limb and say that agriculture was not invented the same fucking day we evolved, goddammit.
unidentified
Epigenetically.
alex jones
Whether you're doing carpentry, or whether you're fishing, or whether you're butchering a cow, once you get in the rhythm, Of sewing or, you know, in the rhythm of cooking food.
I mean, it's not slavery to fold the laundry.
It's not slavery to cook the dinner and wash the plates.
It's a rhythm.
It's a rhythm.
We're supposed to do all this ourselves.
So, I mean, I love cooking.
I love washing the dishes.
I love doing the laundry.
The problem is I got somewhere I got to go.
I got something I got to do.
I got to fight the New World Order.
And so then I compartmentalize it and have a maid come do it.
Instead of me, and in the process, I'm losing my humanity.
But that's the give and take system.
pearl davis
I was thinking about this because I was like, I feel like my generation, none of us know how to do basic things like that because we all grew up on all this technology.
You don't have to vacuum.
There's a Roomba.
You can Uber Eats.
I was thinking about this the other day.
Okay, I know you have to go.
alex jones
It's making us obsolete by design.
pearl davis
Yes.
alex jones
Go read an article written in 1999 by Bill Joy, co-founder of Sun Microsystems, in Wired Magazine called Why the Future Doesn't Need Us.
Why the Future Doesn't Need Us.
And he met with hundreds of top billionaires, and they said, we let them play video games, just make them obsolete, and then sterilize them, or we just kill them all.
And the consensus was, let them play video games, get them done down so they don't cause a problem, and then go ahead and kill everybody.
So you can read that article.
The decision's been made to just go ahead and get rid of everybody.
Most of us are already dead.
But don't worry, by the time they kill you, you're on so many drugs and so much psychology and so much entertainment, you don't even know what hit you.
unidentified
What?
alex jones
And then you're told, hey, you get two years of credits, you get all the trips you want, all the parties you want.
You just got to sign on your carbon credit that you agree to be...
Euthanized by the state in a year, two years.
Or you could say, hey, we'll give you a million bucks, go to Vegas, party all you want, all the drugs you want, everything, hookers every day.
You get one month, but you die in one month.
And the future will be, well, for the Earth, I'm going to do it for a month, and then I'm going to get out of here.
And so the new thing won't just be cut your genitals off and cut your breasts off and all this.
It'll be the heroes that commit suicide.
And the government now in Canada is the model, and they tell people, hey, you're back, got, you know, bad disc.
You've been on welfare five years.
We can't give you the money to buy your food anymore.
Why don't you kill yourself?
In fact, we'll give you, you know, a year of your painkillers and let you live for another year and even let you live in a nicer apartment, but then when the credits are out, we want you to go ahead and sign this agreement to kill yourself.
Well, that's the government saying we're going to kill you.
pearl davis
And everyone's going to have to do this?
alex jones
Well, first it'll be the celebrities and how brave they are for killing themselves.
And then it'll be, yeah, we don't have enough resources because they've cut the resources off.
We just wish you people, you know, that are too big a drag on society would kill yourselves.
dan friesen
This is really stupid.
Why do they even need to have done COVID if they're going to seduce everyone into committing suicide by making it the sexy thing to do with a celebrity?
Why do they need elaborate conspiracies about ESGs if this is what they're going to do?
If you're listening to Alex talk and not picking up on how his conspiracies really don't seem to work together, you're a mark.
And I think Alex sees a big old dollar sign over Pearl.
Her audience is up for grabs.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
If they find, like, whatever she brings to the table interesting and informative.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
So, go for it.
jordan holmes
They are ripe for the picking.
dan friesen
Two important points.
One, Bill Joy's article doesn't say any of that shit.
unidentified
Nope.
dan friesen
It's a complete fiction Alex is making up, just lying to Pearl's face.
Yeah.
Two...
It's really cute to hear two multi-millionaires whine about how they don't get to do laundry or vacuum a carpet.
I think a lot of people in Pearl's generation know fully well how to do all that shit that she doesn't because they didn't grow up in the lap of luxury in a giant mansion and then live there till their mid-twenties.
jordan holmes
So weird.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's almost like they had to learn those things through the...
dan friesen
Oh no, I'm losing my humanity because I hired a maid because I'm too busy fighting the globalists.
And by fighting the globalists, I mean partying with Joe Rogan and chugging...
Like a fifth of vodka every day.
Go fuck yourself.
jordan holmes
That is how they do it, though.
That's why they go so fucking crazy, rich people, is because you have to justify it.
Your brain has to justify it somehow.
You can't be like, it's totally fine for me to make another human being do stuff I don't want to do.
You have to justify it.
So if you don't have a very good justification, which is, in Alex's case...
dan friesen
I'm too busy fighting the globalists.
jordan holmes
Right.
Then you have to make up one.
dan friesen
And woe is me!
jordan holmes
And the moment you make up a justification for why that's okay, then you start making up an entire fiction around why that justification makes sense.
Because it doesn't.
dan friesen
I get you.
I'm with you.
So, Pearl hears about this everyone's gonna have to off themselves thing.
And she's like, wait a second.
I know some people who have had family members in hospice care.
Are they being murdered?
unidentified
Ooh, no.
dan friesen
And it turns out a lot.
alex jones
We just wish you people that are too big a drag on society would kill yourselves.
And then, oh, where'd they go?
Oh, they slipped and hurt their back.
They went in.
They're in hospice now.
They come in and shoot you up with synthetic heroin, take you off to a death camp.
Or they built these FEMA camps all over the world, these emergency COVID camps.
And now they're saying, oh.
In Australia and Canada and places, those that buck the government in the next lockdown, we're going to put you in those camps.
dan friesen
Why do they always start with, oh, why do the globalists keep doing that?
jordan holmes
It's one of those weird vocal habits they have.
You know, it's like the...
dan friesen
You know where they learn it?
In those tanks at Yale.
alex jones
Not because you have COVID, because you're getting in the way of what we're doing.
This is a totalitarian scientific takeover.
pearl davis
Do they do that in hospice, like, now, ever?
Because I have a friend that's, like, convinced hospice killed her mom.
I don't know if, like, it's true, obviously, but she's, like, convinced that they did.
alex jones
Well, I mean, again, again, it's like saying, can somebody get food poisoning at a hamburger shop?
Well, there's a million hamburger shops.
Some are great, some are bad.
You have to know the place you've gotten food poisoning over and over again.
It varies.
To just say hospice is bad is an oversimplification.
There are big hospice rating groups.
There's a thing called bioethics.
It depends on the region, the hospital group it's associated with, how it's certified, and their history.
But hospice has been moving for 30 years towards giving them massive amounts of morphine and killing you and accelerating end-of-life care.
And some people want that, so it's like a wink-wink.
Hey, give me what I need for pain.
I don't want to go on anymore.
Then you just sleep all day, you stop eating, and you die.
So, yeah, it's a wink-wink.
I don't want to do this anymore.
Go ahead and kill me.
Okay, and then they got some Christian hospices that are really hospices that really just take care of you and give you enough to mitigate the pain but don't kill you.
I'd say...
30 years ago, half the hospice was killing you on purpose.
jordan holmes
Based on what?
alex jones
Half was, and I'd say about 80% are killing you now on purpose.
jordan holmes
Based on what information?
alex jones
It's an evolution, but people know what you're going to do.
unidentified
Wow.
dan friesen
Wow, indeed.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
80% of hospice places are going to kill you on purpose.
Metaphorically, that means to me that 80% of hamburger places are going to give you food poisoning.
jordan holmes
I mean...
Fine.
dan friesen
Yeah, you're right, though.
Based on what?
And the hiding behind it's a wink-wink thing means like, oh, so this is completely unverifiable?
alex jones
Yeah.
unidentified
Great.
jordan holmes
There's absolutely no way to confirm what you're saying because it's all inside the imagination of either the people doing it or you.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So now in this next clip, Alex continues this theme and breaks a big news story that blows Pearl's mind straight off the headlines of Futurama.
unidentified
Oh my god.
pearl davis
I'm not gonna lie.
The future sounds terrible.
alex jones
They're going to have soon suicide pods in malls.
Have you seen these?
pearl davis
No.
No, I have not seen those.
alex jones
Yeah, they're beta testing and promoting suicide pods.
And then you donate your body to be liquefied and be made in plant food.
24 states have passed laws in the U.S. to compost humans, Soylent Green.
It's all being passed.
It's all being prepared.
It's all total dystopia.
And I know it doesn't sound real.
Everything I've said, you can look up.
pearl davis
No, but I'm asking, like, so it doesn't seem like there's any way to avoid this?
Like, I'm not.
Other than maybe get your own lamb and live like the Amish?
alex jones
That is going to be the answer, but they're coming after the Amish, too.
dan friesen
Well, shit.
unidentified
Well...
jordan holmes
Okay, that's not even fair!
dan friesen
That is the answer, but it's also wrong.
jordan holmes
That is not fair!
dan friesen
Well, who said we're playing a fair game?
jordan holmes
There's no...
You can't even just give me that?
dan friesen
Yeah, question.
jordan holmes
Just for right now?
dan friesen
The question is, it seems like there's no hope.
And it seems like maybe the only answer is to go be Amish.
That is the correct answer.
jordan holmes
They're coming for them, too.
dan friesen
So, we're all dead already.
jordan holmes
Okay, thanks.
dan friesen
Suicide pods factor heavily into...
jordan holmes
All I have to say to Alex is bite my shiny metal ass.
Okay?
Unreal.
dan friesen
Suicide at the mall.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
There's an Auntie Anne's pretzel right here.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
There's a place where kids can get their ears pierced and a suicide pod right next to the sunglasses.
jordan holmes
I will tell you this, though.
I will say this.
It does seem silly at first, but then I thought about it.
There are very few places that have made me want to kill myself more often than malls.
dan friesen
It's my understanding that malls as a whole are a concept that are kind of going away.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they're dying themselves.
dan friesen
So maybe the suicide pods are a way to bring back business.
Well, it's not going to retain customers.
unidentified
This is ridiculous.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's absolutely stupid.
How dare you?
How dare you?
dan friesen
The extent to which society would need to fundamentally change for a shopping mall to include a suicide pod.
jordan holmes
I don't even know.
dan friesen
Ridiculous.
jordan holmes
There's people that would just sit there and watch to see who would go into the pod.
There's no way that that's going to be.
There's mole walkers.
There's pod walkers now.
Fuck off.
dan friesen
The joke in Futurama is there's no other way to die, basically.
Right.
That's why it exists in that universe as a ridiculous thing.
Yeah.
Alex is ridiculous.
Anyway, we have one last question, which is actually the second to last question.
jordan holmes
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
And it's, what does Alex think of Andrew Tate?
jordan holmes
Great.
pearl davis
But I have one more question.
This is not about the globalists, but everyone wanted me to ask you about Andrew Tate and what your opinion is on him.
alex jones
You know, Paul Watson that doesn't work with me over at prisonplanet.com and infowars.com got to know him seven, eight years ago.
jordan holmes
He's got to know everybody.
alex jones
They became friends when he lived in England.
And I got to know him and his brother Tristan.
They've been here to visit.
I've had dinner with them.
Hung out with them a few times with Andrew and with Tate.
And I knew they were running cam girl stuff, which I don't, you know.
I'm not judging those people.
That was one way they were making money.
He was also a kickboxing champion.
And I saw some of the stuff they were doing back when it was in the news a few years ago, and it was pretty softcore stuff.
You know, women dancing around and stuff and acting silly, doing musicals and things.
And then I think the charges against him have been proven to be, well, there is no charges.
They never said what they did.
jordan holmes
That's new.
That's a new one.
alex jones
Three of the six women came out and said they never said that.
It's a setup.
unidentified
Nope.
alex jones
And then no proof was ever shown.
And so they were in jail for three months with no charges.
Now they've been on house arrest for months, three months with no charges.
And it's because it just isn't true.
And he came out against Greta Thunberg.
He's telling men to be masculine.
And I think it's kind of an extreme masculinity.
But compared to where they want to take us, it's kind of an Overton window.
Like, do this.
You'd be a Superman over here.
Super macho.
And then that drags the young people from being total sissies and total weirdos that want to cut their penises off to even being more like Andrew Tate.
So they'll never probably get where he's at.
I'm not sure you'd want to be there.
But those guys are definitely alpha males.
I mean, they've got a whole bunch of kids and, you know, are living like, you know.
Warlords or something.
dan friesen
So Alex is way off here, man.
He says there's no charges, but that's bullshit.
Andrew Tate was charged with rape, human trafficking, and, quote, forming an organized crime group to sexually exploit women.
He wasn't arrested and now under house arrest for no reason.
It's just that Alex loves Tate's violent misogyny, so he's forced to pretend that Tate isn't a human trafficker.
It's super important because sex trafficking is the number one issue Alex pretends to care about.
We can't, you know, possibly support somebody who's trafficking.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Also, he just got out of house arrest, so it's not current anymore.
On video, Tate has routinely discussed how he grooms young women through seduction, which then leads them to working on cam for him and results in them not being allowed to leave the house without his permission.
He's never made a mystery about what he does and what he's about.
He hates women and is essentially an abusive pimp, and his side business is scamming dudes by claiming he could teach them to become abusive pimps themselves.
It is true that two, not three as Alex said, two women who were named in the initial indictment as victims came forward and said they weren't victims They did have tattoos that said property of Tate, so this might be a perspective thing, but if they aren't pressing charges, I have no place to convince them that they should.
Even so, that leaves four victims who have not recanted shit, even with him attempting to intimidate with lawsuits and what have you.
In their indictment, you can see Tate and his brother luring women from other countries to Romania, pretending to be interested in marriage, only to have the whole thing flipped on them.
We'll see what happens as this case goes to court, but no matter the outcome, Andrew Tate and his brother Yeah, I don't...
I would love to play the audio of Tate talking about fucking a 16-year-old and say it's some soy boy leftist and see what Alex says about that kind of behavior and that brazenness and that bravado about, I don't give a fuck that you're 16?
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
I think Alex would probably be pretty furious if it wasn't somebody...
jordan holmes
He'd be disgusted by it.
dan friesen
Yeah, probably say it's demonic.
pearl davis
Oh, yeah.
jordan holmes
He'd probably say that it's the example of everything that's wrong with the left.
dan friesen
Yep.
Probably.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
What a loser.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
Anyway, we have one last question left.
pearl davis
And who do you support in 2024?
jordan holmes
Your mom.
alex jones
I like Robert F. Kennedy Jr., and I also like Trump.
Both guys are outsiders.
Both guys are being censored.
Both guys are being targeted.
I'd be happy with either person being president.
pearl davis
Okay, well, I have so many questions.
I have a million.
But I know you have...
alex jones
Well, I'll do a part two with you.
I'll be glad to come back.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you will.
pearl davis
Could we ever do it in person?
alex jones
If you ever come to Austin, Texas, you're welcome.
I'm ever in London.
I'll come see you.
pearl davis
Oh, cool.
Yeah, because I feel like I have so many questions, but I'm like, it would take you so long.
But thank you so much for coming on today.
dan friesen
Yeah, if they do a part two, that's going to be brutal.
Yeah.
I might do it, because there's at least some kind of a, like, A lot of these issues are things that we've touched on before and stuff, but the way it's being discussed, because she's so unaware of anything, it does give an interesting lens into it.
jordan holmes
It is!
I'm so oddly fascinated by the dynamic of what's happening, because I'm confused by it.
Frankly, I'm confused that both of these people exist, and I'm...
Boggled that they were allowed to speak to each other.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know?
dan friesen
You know how sometimes you can see, maybe we'll go back to the challenge.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
You can see some people and you're like, the two of them together are great.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
You know, like CT and Emmy on the season I'm watching right now, the two of them were great together.
jordan holmes
CT and Big T?
dan friesen
Great.
jordan holmes
Fantastic.
dan friesen
Until it wasn't.
jordan holmes
Until it wasn't, and then it got good again.
dan friesen
Not that great again, though.
jordan holmes
Nah, that's true.
dan friesen
CT should have learned a more important lesson at the end of that season.
jordan holmes
That is definitely true.
I agree with you there.
dan friesen
What should have happened is that he should have repented for kicking her off his team.
jordan holmes
I know!
dan friesen
Taken her to the finals.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
And then lost and realized there were things more important than losing.
jordan holmes
True.
dan friesen
That's how you know it's not totally scripted because that's what would have happened if it was.
jordan holmes
That's what would have happened.
Yeah, if you were going to script it, that's what would have happened.
dan friesen
Anyway, my point is that there are some people who you're like, damn, that chemistry is interesting.
This is the opposite.
But it is...
unidentified
A chemistry that is bewildering.
jordan holmes
It is...
I want to say opposites, but it's not.
Because you would think, oh, well, he knows everything and she knows nothing.
But that's not even close to what's going on.
And it's not that she knows nothing.
That's not the point.
dan friesen
And it's not like they're opposites at all in terms of what they believe.
They have a lot in common in terms of particularly their...
Bigotries and biases that are informed by dumb shit on social media.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I wouldn't call her, like, extreme right-wing or anything because I'm not sure she even has a political ideology.
jordan holmes
Totally.
I think her political ideology is naivete.
dan friesen
If anything.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Yes, I think that you can kind of get a sense of why.
I texted you yesterday.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And I was saying, I feel like...
There's something to talk about here, but I don't know if I want to do this episode.
jordan holmes
Yeah, totally.
dan friesen
And I feel at the end of this, similarly, there is a reason to do this, and there's a reason to have this conversation and look at this, but at the same time, it's like, I think this sucks.
jordan holmes
No, I'm glad we did this, and I wish we didn't have to do this.
dan friesen
And I'm not sure there's a ton of value in it.
jordan holmes
I just, I don't, I mean, any time...
I'm given the opportunity to see something that I have looked at a million times in a new way.
It is valuable to me.
dan friesen
Well, let's get that embroidered on something.
jordan holmes
There's something that we're seeing through this that we have not seen.
dan friesen
It's an environment Alex has never been in in our years of looking at him.
And that's something.
jordan holmes
And there's gotta be dollar signs up in his face.
dan friesen
Oh, part two.
jordan holmes
Gotta be dollar signs.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Almost two million subscribers on YouTube.
Come on.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Get in there.
jordan holmes
And she needs views.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
So we'll be back.
jordan holmes
Indeed we will.
dan friesen
With another episode.
But until then, Jordan, we have a website.
jordan holmes
Indeed we do.
It's knowledgefight.com.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
We're also on Twitter.
jordan holmes
We are on Twitter.
It's at knowledge underscore fight.
dan friesen
Yep.
We'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DCX Clark.
Boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop.
jordan holmes
Woo, yeah!
unidentified
Woo, yeah!
steve quayle
And now here comes the sex robots.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
jordan holmes
I love your work.
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