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April 26, 2023 - Knowledge Fight
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#800: April 24, 2023

Knowledge Fight #800 dissects Alex Jones’ April 24, 2023 show, where he pivots Tucker Carlson’s firing into a "globalist purge," falsely ties child trafficking to fentanyl attacks, and mocks legal retractions on Sandy Hook victims like Scarlett Lewis—omitting offensive claims while still implying deception. His promotion of convicted sex offender Scott Ritter as a conspiracy pawn reveals selective outrage, ignoring past associations with similarly discredited figures. The episode underscores Jones’ pattern of weaponizing crises for profit, deflecting accountability, and framing dissent as demonic, all while demanding financial support under false urgency. [Automatically generated summary]

Participants
Main
a
alex jones
infowars 29:57
d
dan friesen
41:50
j
jordan holmes
19:37
Appearances
o
owen shroyer
winn 00:43
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Speaker Time Text
unidentified
Dan and Jordan, I am sweating.
alex jones
Knowledgeparty.com.
It's time to pray.
unidentified
I have great respect for knowledge fight.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys.
alex jones
Shang, we are the bad guys.
unidentified
Knowledge fight.
Dan and Jordan.
Knowledge fight.
alex jones
I need, I need money.
Andy and Pansy.
Andy and Pandy.
Andy and Kansas.
Andy in Kansas.
Andy.
unidentified
Andy.
alex jones
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the earth.
Thanks for all this.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a fake pin colour over here today.
alex jones
And I love your room.
unidentified
Knowledge fight.
alex jones
Knowledgefight.com.
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes.
Like to sit around, worship at the altar of Celine, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are.
Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
alex jones
Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Quick question for you.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot today, buddy?
dan friesen
My bright spot today, Jordan, is I have lived a number of years on this earth.
I've had a number of birthdays.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
38 or 39, depending on where you, you know, is your birthday, your birthday.
jordan holmes
Interesting.
Interesting.
unidentified
Do you get the year zero conversation?
dan friesen
No, I'm saying, is there a party for you for your birthday the day you're born?
Is the day of your birth a birthday?
jordan holmes
I think some people would consider that a party.
And I think most people would rightly consider it a nightmarish, bloody mess of screaming.
dan friesen
I feel like when I was one day old, I didn't get any presents.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
I don't remember.
Maybe I did.
jordan holmes
That's possible.
dan friesen
I guess I didn't have anything to begin with.
So any clothes or a crib or anything could be construed as a present.
jordan holmes
True.
dan friesen
So maybe I did.
Regardless.
jordan holmes
And let's move on.
dan friesen
I've had a number of birthdays.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
And I feel like none have ever been as eventful as this one.
So Tucker Carlson gets fired.
Then a little bit later in the day, Don Lemon gets fired.
jordan holmes
Sure, set about it here.
dan friesen
James Corden gets the ass.
jordan holmes
Get him the fuck out of here.
dan friesen
I just, I had to take a nap in the middle of the day.
jordan holmes
I was like, I don't know what's going on.
I don't know if I'm next.
dan friesen
Or is this something that I'm doing?
Is my power exuding into the world?
jordan holmes
Finally, you've discovered your power to get hosts fired.
dan friesen
Well, and in 2002, April 24th, that was the first day that Steve Pieczenik showed up on Alex's show.
That's true.
I mean, these are disparate straws.
jordan holmes
Very, very, very disparate.
dan friesen
These are, you know, it's temporal ley lines.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Energy, time putting out into the universe.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
I mean, statistically, I feel like two coincidences out of a total of between 38 or 39 birthdays.
That's a regular amount of coincidences.
dan friesen
But look, it's a lot.
It's a lot going on.
jordan holmes
It's a lot.
dan friesen
It's more than I bargained for in terms of a birthday.
You know, like I didn't really ask for anything.
jordan holmes
True.
dan friesen
I didn't get really any gifts per se.
jordan holmes
Mine was a complete dud.
dan friesen
Well, it was an offer.
It was appreciated.
jordan holmes
I did my best.
dan friesen
But, you know, I got all this stuff.
I got all these things.
jordan holmes
Not many people get Tucker Carlson fired on their birthday.
dan friesen
I've taken out Tucker and Stelter.
jordan holmes
Stelter both.
Both Tucker.
Stelter.
Fuck it.
Alex has a billion-dollar judgment.
We are putting notches on the bedpost, baby.
dan friesen
So what's your bright spot?
jordan holmes
My bright spot is, Dan, I hesitate to do this because it's very boring, but my bright spot is Shohei Otani.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
I mean, god damn, this is a miracle that we get to share the earth with this man.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
A miracle.
dan friesen
He's great, right?
jordan holmes
A miracle.
What do you do?
Oh, my God.
He's just great.
He's just non-stop great.
I don't even know how you can do more than what he's doing, but now he's lowering his ERA, striking out more people.
He's realized.
Here's what he's realized, and this is what's genius.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
All right.
So he throws a 100-mile an hour fastball.
That's really fast.
dan friesen
That's quite fast.
jordan holmes
But it's straight.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Okay.
If you throw a hundred mile an hour fastball straight, then a really good hitter or even a good major league hitter can still hit it pretty solid.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
It's just a timing thing.
jordan holmes
It's just a timing thing.
Now, most fastballs, though, exist within the 92 to 95 mile an hour range.
Now, imagine that you threw a slider at 92 to 95 miles an hour.
All of a sudden, you've got a pitch as fast as the fastest everybody else's fastball that moves all over the place.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
So he's killing people now.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Not touching him.
dan friesen
Wake me up when he's got a 100-mile-hour knuckleball.
jordan holmes
He's got a 92-mile an hour splitter, and that's really fucking close.
Do you know what you have to do?
You have to hold the ball between your teeth.
It's crazy.
It's difficult.
dan friesen
Yeah, your fingers are split.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they're split.
It's a split finger.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I still would love to see a knuckleball.
I don't actually know any.
I just know words.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
dan friesen
No, I understand what that means.
I know that knuckleballs are generally slower, right?
jordan holmes
Oh, oh, well, a knuckleball you hold like literally like this.
And the way you throw it, it doesn't spin.
The thing doesn't spin.
So the way that the wind hits it makes it jump up and down randomly as it's going forward.
Yeah, it's absolute chaos.
You can't control it.
And I don't know if Shohei could, using his incredibly large, burly, strong arms that I want to wrap around me in a hug.
I don't know if he could move those slow enough to throw a knuckleball, honestly.
dan friesen
Well, it sounds like he's not that great.
jordan holmes
It does sound like that.
dan friesen
I was expecting it would be some specific thing that had happened as opposed to just how great he is.
jordan holmes
I mean, here's the thing, all right?
You can't, you cannot do what he does.
dan friesen
Did you have this realization like during a game or something that you were watching recently?
jordan holmes
I mean, I've been watching, I think I've watched every game he's pitched.
Sure.
Like, I have not been able to turn away from it because in the past few years, when he's only been the greatest baseball player that ever lived, right?
It was great to watch.
It was always great.
And now it's slightly more great.
I don't know if that's, I know that's not a bright spot to a lot of people, but if you're the greatest and you get slightly more great, that's also great.
It is.
dan friesen
I'm not.
jordan holmes
I know, I'm not selling this well.
No.
dan friesen
But I'm not impugning your bright spot.
I think it's totally fine.
I'm just confused by it in terms of like, I guess it's just you're reflecting on how great he is.
jordan holmes
It's just, I mean.
dan friesen
You're enjoying the reflection on his greatness.
jordan holmes
I'm telling you that it's hard to believe that somebody can be that great.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Well, believe it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I will do my best.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, today we have an episode to get into.
And it has to do with my birthday and Tucker Carlson getting fired.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I imagine so.
dan friesen
So we're talking about April 24th, 2023, the day of the kabosh on Tucker.
jordan holmes
The great calling.
dan friesen
And it happened before Alex was on air.
And so that's really some of the good news because we can get Alex's take on it.
The media will be covering the events.
And we'll get down to business on that.
And something that should be disqualifying on his part.
jordan holmes
There we go.
dan friesen
And we'll get to that too.
But before we do, let's say hello to some new wonks.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's a great idea.
dan friesen
So first, my dad became a bircher, and all he got was this lousy policy wonk.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, a man from the one known universe in which Alex's neck is not freakishly large.
Please note that this is not a small or even normal sized.
Such universes remain undiscovered at this time.
Thank you so much, Joanna Polisywonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, Finland doesn't exist, so where the hell am I?
Thank you so much, Joanna, Polisywonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, the committee to get Dan on Doughboys, buddy.
Thank you so much, Joanna Policy Wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
And we got a technical credit in the mix, Jordan.
So thank you so much to Logan Adams.
You are now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
I have risen above my enemies.
I might quit tomorrow, actually.
I'm just going to take a little break now.
A little breaky for me.
And then we're going to come back.
And I'm going to start the show over.
But I'm the devil.
I got to be taken off here.
I've been all this.
Fuck you.
Fuck you.
I got plenty of words for you, but at the end of the day, fuck you and your new world order and fuck the horse you rode in on and all your shit.
Maybe today should be my last broadcast.
Maybe I'll just be gone a month, maybe five years.
Maybe I'll walk out of here tomorrow and you never see me again.
That's really what I want to do.
I never want to come back here again.
I apologize to the crew and the listeners yesterday that I was legitimately having breakdowns on air.
I'll be better tomorrow.
dan friesen
No, never.
But we may have had final broadcast of Tucker on Friday, at least on Fox News.
jordan holmes
That's what we're being told.
dan friesen
And he was unaware of it.
Came off guard.
Alex, not that surprised.
jordan holmes
Interesting.
dan friesen
But the firing of Tucker Carlson is a canary in the coal mine.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
And Alex would have reached out to him for comment.
He definitely would have.
jordan holmes
He would have.
dan friesen
But there was a small problem.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
We had some technical difficulties.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
alex jones
I told populist Christians, conservatives, and people that just want to live a good, safe, decent life, that you better understand we're in a war and you better understand they're going for broke.
One of the biggest canaries in the coal mine was the number one news host in the world, Tucker Carlson.
Fired from Fox today.
I talked to Tucker quite frequently, but two days ago, my phone got wet and I hadn't backed it up and I haven't had time to go to the store.
So I've been without the phone.
It's kind of a great way.
It's getting fixed right now.
I'm unable to talk to Tucker.
I've got his number, but have not called him yet because I just learned this news about 25 minutes ago.
dan friesen
Yeah, I would have gotten a comment, but my phone is wet.
jordan holmes
Right.
Right.
dan friesen
So yeah, that's going to get in the way.
Can't call Tucker on a wet phone.
jordan holmes
I was not expecting my phone is wet.
dan friesen
Yeah, I was pretty shocked too.
jordan holmes
That is about as updated a my dog ate my homework as I think you can get, right?
dan friesen
Sure.
I mean, look, I would perfectly accept from Alex, like, hey, you know, he's busy.
Yeah.
We only had the announcement of this like 20 minutes, half an hour ago or so.
There's a lot of things that probably he's fielding right now.
jordan holmes
I'm sure he's blowing up.
dan friesen
It would be really difficult to get a hold of him.
Of course, you don't have to have an excuse like my phone is wet.
jordan holmes
Yeah, my phone's wet.
dan friesen
He would talk to me.
jordan holmes
Listen, he would put aside every text message he is getting right now.
I'm sure his phone has thousands of them.
I have no doubt that he would get rid of all of those, drop everything, and jump onto Infowars.
But frankly, my phone's wet.
dan friesen
Phone's wet.
jordan holmes
I can't say ask somebody else to text him.
No.
dan friesen
If you put his number into your phone, your phone gets soaked.
jordan holmes
It gets soaked.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Nobody can get a hold of Tucker.
It's like that.
Ring back tones, you know, when you call somebody, but with water.
jordan holmes
Right.
Yeah, that sounds right.
dan friesen
So Tucker going off the air is a big deal because it will have ripple effects for all the patriots and what have you.
And it's important to recognize that Alex's show is right on that knife's edge, too.
It could go away at any time.
And you've got to keep them in the game.
And the reason you've got to keep them in the game is because there's very serious things going on.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Now, this next clip is disgusting.
It involves Alex talking about crimes against children and sucks.
But I am going to play this for a reason.
And it may become clear towards the end of this episode why.
Okay.
So here is one of the big headlines Alex has for the day.
alex jones
Now, I told you a couple weeks ago we could be taken off here at any time.
The globalists are making their move.
You saw him take James O'Keefe down.
Now, he's still fighting back.
But ladies and gentlemen, New World Order is making its moves right now.
And you need to not take this show for granted or take any of your freedoms for granted because the globalists are systematically cutting off the power, getting rid of the borders.
I just had a lengthy 45-minute discussion this morning with senior people in the federal government.
I'll leave it at that.
unidentified
I mean, extremely senior.
alex jones
And they have been trying to get the story out, obviously, on Fox.
And they have the documents of Biden releasing over 20,000 known pedophiles.
I mean, hardcore child rapists.
I mean, people that have been convicted of being school bus drivers for disabled children and raping eight of them, nine of them.
And I'm just sitting there for 45 minutes that I had to go in this meeting hearing all this, the documents, and I'm sitting there talking to feds from different agencies.
jordan holmes
Feds from different agencies now.
Now we've got multiple agents.
alex jones
I've already seen the reports there told me the rest of it.
All over the country, people are coming up to young 10, 11, 12-year-old girls in Walmart and Target parking lots, and a woman will walk over and go, hey, honey, but they're wearing a glove with fentanyl on them and putting it on her arm, and then the girl passes out.
And they put them in a van.
jordan holmes
That's not how it works.
alex jones
It came out, then it got swift from the rug Mavericks games.
A whole bunch of kids got kidnapped at those and just disappeared.
And then they find them in Oklahoma City being gang raped in a hotel room.
And that's the ones they found.
This is all going on at scales just completely off the charts.
dan friesen
So that's all awful.
I don't know what Alex's definition of senior people in the federal government is, but I don't think that we have the same sense of what that is.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I would agree.
dan friesen
This entire story that Alex is telling is a load of shit, and it really makes a mockery of pretending to care about crimes against children.
There's a reality of that problem, and that's something that's discussed by serious adults who care about addressing the issue.
What Alex is doing is exploiting the intense feelings that people have around child abuse and using that to power his own conspiracy bullshit.
Consider this.
In that clip, the problem isn't really that children are being abused.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
The abuse of children is a prop that's meant to give power to the larger problem, which is Biden, who's supposedly releasing all of these hardened sex criminals.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
The issue is that if Biden weren't doing something, your kids would be safe.
It's not about what the, you know, it could be anything.
dan friesen
He's not really cared about the end result problem as much as he is using that.
So there is an actual single case that came out that Alex is talking about where a 15-year-old girl was lured away from a Dallas Mavericks game on April 8th, 2022, and found being trafficked at a hotel in Oklahoma City 10 days later.
It's an unthinkable horror that girl went through, and the people responsible have been arrested and hopefully see the full extent of the law's punishments.
Alex is taking her actual experience and exploiting it by generalizing it into a narrative that's happening on this giant scale at Maverick's games.
And, you know, he's ballooning it out from a single example, which is what he does.
That's really inappropriate.
And it illustrates pretty clearly his disrespect for the victims in crimes like this.
Trafficking is real, but Alex's approach to this does nothing to solve the problem.
It's only designed to blame his chosen target for the existence of the problem and to direct the audience's negative emotions onto that chosen target.
The fentanyl thing is something that's popped up on social media memes over the past year or so in different forms, but there's no evidence that that's happening.
In September of last year, there was a viral post about claims that people were handing out roses laced with fentanyl to try to incapacitate people to be trafficked.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Experts who have weighed on all this have said that this method of incapacitating someone would be very impractical.
The difference in dose between knocking your target out and killing them would be very small.
So you would probably end up killing a bunch of people accidentally before you got it right.
jordan holmes
Isn't the surface absorption of fentanyl?
Isn't that a cop myth that they lie to people about?
Well, to pretend that they don't do drugs.
dan friesen
I'm not sure.
I think that there is some effect that putting fentanyl on your skin can have.
But the Rose one was about inhaling.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, the Rose one.
dan friesen
But this goes like similar paths.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
You know, there is this people are sneakily trying to put fentanyl in people.
jordan holmes
No, no, I mean, it's razor blades in your can.
dan friesen
100%.
jordan holmes
It's any kind of thing where a parent will be like, that's definitely happening because people out there are crazy.
Right.
dan friesen
And it's exploiting the thing that is logical, which is concern for your child.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And it's taking that and weaponizing it in a certain direction that you want to use.
And I think it's abhorrent.
And yeah, I generally don't like to play clips where Alex talks like that for the most part because I find it repulsive.
But like I said, there is a reason that will come full circle at the end of this.
And if you don't understand when we get there, I'll be very surprised.
jordan holmes
Okay.
There's one thing that is so, so disgusting that I think is easy to gloss over because Alex does it all the time.
But he is taking that woman's story.
He's stealing it from her.
He is lessening its impact because it wasn't a thing that happened to her.
It's just a thing that happens.
He's stealing every part of this from her and then throwing it away once he's done with it.
dan friesen
Well, you know, there are similarities to that thing with the caller who had ovarian cancer on our last episode.
You know, that way of recontextualizing someone else's story to make it part of your story.
They become a prop within your story as opposed to a person in and of themselves who experienced a thing.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
And yeah, that is tough.
Yeah.
But he doesn't care because people are props to him.
jordan holmes
Just doesn't care.
dan friesen
Yeah, people aren't real.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
So Tucker got fired.
jordan holmes
Yay.
dan friesen
O'Keefe got fired.
jordan holmes
Yay.
dan friesen
And then AOC went on a podcast.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
alex jones
Tucker Carlson fired at Fox as Rupert Murdoch makes changes.
Isn't that interesting?
jordan holmes
Well, isn't that special?
alex jones
Project Veritas had a coup against James O'Keefe.
The system's battling with everything they've got to try to take us off air right now.
And AOC went on Jim Saki's show Friday.
All the political operatives are together and read the talking point: we need the federal government to ban conservatives off of television.
dan friesen
Don, dun dun.
So, Tucker was almost certainly fired because of issues relating to the Dominion lawsuit and the other potential litigation that's coming.
And it probably had something to do with the fact that he was the type of cat to not really play ball.
He felt like he was so important to their ratings that there really wasn't anything that Fox could do to reel him in other than fire him.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You know, like you do, he's not the kind of person who'd give any option.
He wouldn't give you an option to be like, all right, let's reel things.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
No, no, no.
It's all or nothing.
dan friesen
He's not taking notes.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
There's also the issue of two lawsuits against Tucker that have been filed by his former senior booking producer, Abby Grossberg.
Grossberg accused Tucker's show and Fox of sexism and workplace harassment.
Tucker's senior executive producer, Justin Wells, is also a named defendant in that suit, and he was also fired by Fox along with Tucker.
I get the sense that this will be a story that will come out more.
We'll get a clear picture on this in the future.
But as far as I can tell, this is a business decision by Fox to protect themselves from further harm, much like when they fired Bill O'Reilly.
It's consequences for shitty actions.
And the same could be said for James O'Keefe.
He's been pulling his bullshit, pretending to be journalism for like a decade now, and no one cares.
jordan holmes
So long.
dan friesen
Most people just ignore his dumb publicity stunts, and he's essentially a political non-variable.
However, the Project Veritas board didn't appreciate that he was spending ridiculous amounts of money on personal stuff like, quote, $14,000 on a charter flight to meet someone to fix his boat under the guise of meeting with a donor, or how he spent, quote, more than $150,000 on private cars in an 18-month span.
They directly called it misappropriation of their finances, and a lot of his stunts have the potential to leave Veritas open to legal exposure, as it did in 2022 when the organization was successfully sued for $120,000 for violating wiretapping laws in one of their stings.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
James O'Keefe is a piece of shit, and his actions are a liability for the organization that he founded now that it's grown into something that involves more than publicity stunts to feed his ego.
And he got bit by his own snake.
It's what happens.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, I feel like what we're seeing is the obvious reason that you don't have a boss, which is that Alex, inexplicably, still has a job.
dan friesen
Well, not really.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, no, I mean, yes, I understand.
dan friesen
I call it a job.
jordan holmes
But nobody at InfoWars can fire him because he's a liability to the company.
Yes, yes.
dan friesen
Otherwise, it would have happened long ago.
jordan holmes
Oh, forever ago.
Yeah.
dan friesen
But he's kind of got the same situation as those dudes going like consequences.
jordan holmes
Totally, totally.
dan friesen
No one's trying to ruin his life.
He's just facing the piling up of consequences for shitty actions he's made, and he can't bear the prospect of admitting that.
So it has to be someone else's fault.
Has to be the result of a giant global conspiracy out to get him and people like him who have the same beliefs.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Maybe this would be a good time for him to sit back and consider how the people he claims have the same political beliefs as him seem to all be people who are operating their businesses in super scammy ways that are often illegal.
Maybe he doesn't actually have a political community as much as he has a collection of conmen who are invested in protecting each other's scams because they're somewhat interdependent.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah, that sounds right.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
AOC didn't say the conservatives should not be allowed on TV.
She said that, quote, we have real issues with what's permissible on air.
And we saw that with January 6th, and we saw that in the lead up to January 6th, and how we navigate questions, not just freedom of speech, but also accountability for incitement of violence.
That's the role we have to explore through law as well.
She went on to say, quote, I believe that when it comes to broadcast television like Fox News, these are subject to federal law and regulation in terms of what's allowed on air and what isn't.
And when you look at what Tucker Carlson and some of these other folks on Fox do, it's very, very clearly incitement of violence, very clearly.
And that's the line that I think we have to be willing to contend with.
This was reported in right-wing media as AOC saying that they needed to make new laws and regulation to not let Tucker do the shit he does, but that's not accurate.
She was just saying those regulations already exist, and we just need to acknowledge reality for what it is and take this shit seriously, which, of course, would be a threat to most of them.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
So, once she said acknowledge reality, the right wing went, No!
dan friesen
Can't be doing that.
I'm on the wrong side of the world.
jordan holmes
Reality and I do not get along well.
dan friesen
So, Alex has some theories about Tucker's firing.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And here's where he's at initially.
jordan holmes
He's too good.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, that's just taken as well.
jordan holmes
Okay, I got you.
dan friesen
But here's the specific thought.
jordan holmes
All right.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
And when I saw a week and a half ago the two-part series, Levon Musk, I said, let me tell you something.
You say Elon Musk has been bad in the past.
I'm not saying he's our savior.
I'm saying you don't get up there and say AI is taking over and the globalists want to get rid of humans.
We need to have more children.
And the Democratic Party has weaponized and controls the AI system that Musk and others designed, that they're taking over and that they're a tyranny and that the government illegally was spying on people and their private DMs at Twitter.
You don't say that and be an operative of the globalist.
You say that if they brainwash one of his daughters to become a boy, and if two of his family members almost died from the shot, and you decide to go against the globalists now, now maybe he thinks he'll beat them.
He'll become not the king of Mars, but the king of Earth.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
alex jones
But I know when you see something at that level, they come after you because I've experienced it.
dan friesen
No, you haven't.
But yeah, so his theory initially here is that he did that interview with Elon Musk and it was too dangerous.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And so the system said, no, no, no, no.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Tucker's got to go.
jordan holmes
I feel like Alex is weirdly fine with Elon Musk trying to become king of the earth.
dan friesen
Hey, it's just a maybe situation.
jordan holmes
I feel like anybody who wants to become king of the earth, you say no.
You're the last person who should become king of the earth.
dan friesen
Let me take your thought one step further.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
I even think you should have the response of someone wanting to be the king of Mars.
jordan holmes
No, that's negotiable.
I don't know who's going to be king.
What fiefdoms are we going to be handing out on Mars?
dan friesen
The only way that someone could be king of Mars is if it's a pre-existing thing.
That there's already a king of Mars.
jordan holmes
No, Absolutely.
I build my palace on Olympian spawns.
I have got this.
I am king of Mars.
You're right.
unidentified
You're right.
jordan holmes
Alex is fine with he loves monarchy.
Yeah, it does seem to be weird.
dan friesen
So, look, here's the thing.
Yeah, you got to understand.
Sure.
Alex and Tucker are very good friends.
They are so close.
jordan holmes
They're so close.
dan friesen
They're best friends.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, the phone's like.
alex jones
In 2015, we had 10 million viewers today, conservative listeners.
dan friesen
Nope.
alex jones
By 2016, some days we had 30, 40 million viewers.
Every day we had 25 million, bigger than Rush Limbaugh.
And I experienced the CIA, it's all come out in Congress, literally run all these programs against me.
dan friesen
Nope.
alex jones
So when I tell you, hey, Tucker's for real, he's for real.
I know he's for real.
And I'm friends with him.
We hung out in Florida for Thanksgiving last year.
I'm not going to get into stuff that goes on, but we talk a lot.
We're friends.
unidentified
And he's been here to visit.
alex jones
Things like that.
jordan holmes
He's been here to visit.
dan friesen
Things like that.
jordan holmes
He's been here to visit.
alex jones
The world went down to the creek with my daughter and was flashing around and playing and got a little too wet.
And then these things are not waterproof.
dan friesen
Right.
alex jones
There was some crack in it, so it quit working Saturday.
I haven't had a phone, so I haven't been able to call Tucker.
Plus, I just learned this 30 minutes ago.
But they're fixing my phone right now at the ATT store.
So as soon as I get it, I'm going to call Tucker.
And Rob Dew has his number to put text in 2015 to call us, but I'm sure he's overwhelmed right now.
Tucker got offered by the Republican Party to sell out, and he would have been president of the United States in 2024.
They're like, you got the deal, work with us, you'll be president.
And Tucker said, I'm not going to be in New York or D.C., and I'm going to be in Florida or Maine, and I am never going to be in the power structure, and I hate you, and I'll never serve you.
Alex Jones is right.
jordan holmes
So, if I understand correctly, Tucker's sign-off of his blowing off of all the power in the world includes, by the way, hashtag Alex Jones is right.
Yes.
I hate you.
dan friesen
I'll be in Maine.
I hate you.
jordan holmes
Alex Jones is right.
dan friesen
Oh, God.
All right.
Just pathetic.
jordan holmes
Just living in that brain.
It's got to be fun.
dan friesen
It's got to be fun.
jordan holmes
It's got to be nuts.
dan friesen
So, look, Alex has, you know, some other ideas about why Tucker got fired.
jordan holmes
It could be anything.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
Maybe it's because he wanted to have Alex on.
jordan holmes
Could be.
dan friesen
Maybe.
alex jones
Could be.
And I haven't talked to him yet.
dan friesen
Phone's watching.
alex jones
But there's a good chance that he said, I'm going to put whatever the story is or fire me, and they said you're fired.
Because I know the inside baseball of some previous things that went on, but I'm not going to talk about it until I've talked to Tucker and see if it's okay with him.
dan friesen
Talk about it now, buddy.
alex jones
But I figured now.
I mean, I know he came very close to quitting about a month ago or giving him an ultimatum.
dan friesen
Seems like inside baseball.
alex jones
Because his contract says he can interview anybody he wants.
dan friesen
Seems real inside.
alex jones
He took a massive pay cut.
jordan holmes
Contract specifics?
alex jones
We're talking a fraction of what they were offering to have freedom on a show.
And they've not been giving him that on places like having Alex Jones on or going on Alex Jones' show.
And I encouraged him to just continue to do whatever good he could there.
But I think when it comes out, we're going to learn, unless he had to sign a non-disclosure, that he said, no, I'm going to do whatever the interview was he wanted to do.
And they said no.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
I have a good idea what that is because I happen to be talking to high-level federal officials today.
jordan holmes
On whose phone?
dan friesen
On Zoom.
It was the weirdos from earlier.
All the Fed agents that don't exist.
All the lieutenants, colonel that he has for sources.
jordan holmes
Indeed.
dan friesen
Yeah, man.
Maybe user's like, fuck it.
I'm going to have Alex on.
They're like, you're fired.
jordan holmes
You're fired.
dan friesen
You are fired, even though your contract says you can.
jordan holmes
Tucker, is this the hill you're going to die on?
Are you going to die on the Alex Jones hill?
dan friesen
Hey, if he's going to sign off his speech to the globalists.
jordan holmes
Hashtag Alex Jones is right.
dan friesen
I am not going to be your president.
Alex Jones is right.
Yes, then, of course, he would lose his Fox show because they won't let him have Alex on.
jordan holmes
Obviously.
dan friesen
Or more importantly, let him go on Alex's show.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's the most important thing that they had to get rid of him for.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Because now that he's not on Fox, he's devil can't go on Alex Jones.
dan friesen
Alex is like right now, you've got to be thinking, like, if I can get his father, come on the show.
jordan holmes
Come on, the show.
Come on the show.
He's getting full court blitzed.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I wonder what he would do as his first interview.
Tucker?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I figure he starts his own thing.
dan friesen
You don't think he's going to come out and talk about it first?
jordan holmes
No, I don't think so.
dan friesen
Like Rogan?
jordan holmes
No, it'd be smart for him to make his own thing.
dan friesen
I think it would be smart for him to make his own thing, but I think he could also go on Rogan or something like that and get a lot of mileage out of it.
unidentified
Yeah, sure.
jordan holmes
I mean, yeah, he could go on Rogan, but God, that would suck.
It would.
Everyone would hate that.
It would.
dan friesen
I can't imagine what the other right call for him to be to do an interview would be.
Because like a lot of these other right-wing outlets, it would be kind of slumming it for.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, 45 minutes after he was fired, I thought Don Lemon would be a great place to go.
And all of a sudden, that fell through.
Oh, no.
dan friesen
There's Stealth when you need him.
jordan holmes
I know.
No, I think he'll be on Cordon later on tonight.
Oh, shit.
dan friesen
God damn it.
So we got all these ideas about why Tucker got the act.
jordan holmes
All of them about Alex.
dan friesen
And then Alex, during a commercial break, learns that Don Lemon was also fired.
jordan holmes
Okay.
unidentified
He has to rewrite the entire movie Oh, yes.
jordan holmes
Now that Don Lemon's involved.
alex jones
I made some phone calls, but now it's confirmed.
Because I've learned how the new world order operates because I've been on the receiving end of their operations.
They're doing a purge at Fox, a purge at CNN, not a purge at MSNBC of what they call extreme left and extreme right to make us all a friendly, nice nation where you're not allowed to question election fraud.
We're not allowed to question open borders, but you also can't be mean and say bad things about conservatives.
Do you see AOC saying we've got to lower the temperature and call for there not to be violence like Tucker Carlson's doing?
jordan holmes
Well, no, now that's peace.
alex jones
But they're framing us with violence.
So now, this just in.
Don Lemon fired at Fox.
Don Lemon says he was fired from CNN.
Excuse me.
Tucker fired from Fox.
Don Lemon fired from CNN.
unidentified
I was informed this morning by my agent that I was apparently by CNN.
alex jones
I'm stunned.
After 17 years at CNN, I would have thought that someone in management would have had the decency to tell me directly.
At no time was I ever given an indication that I would not be able to continue to do the work I love at the network.
It is clear that there are some larger issues at play.
With that said, I want to thank my colleagues and the many teams I've worked with for an incredible run.
They are the most talented journalists in the business, and I wish them all the best.
Journalists.
jordan holmes
Journalists.
alex jones
What's happening?
Well, I was already going to talk about this, but now this brooks come from it.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
So he saw this one coming a mile away.
dan friesen
Yeah, and I got to say, no endurance in impressions.
He was unable to keep that character constant.
I find that sad.
For someone who was in the running for world's greatest voiceover actor before Obama came along and ruined his career, I feel like he can't stay in character.
jordan holmes
No, no.
And I mean, it wasn't, it's not a great voice, but if you commit, you can sometimes pull it back.
Right.
You know, you can pull it back if you commit hard.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
People respect the commitment.
dan friesen
It makes me wonder how many takes he has to do to get those fentanyl the Chinese dragon videos together.
Just doing that.
That fourth grade level racist Chinese voice.
jordan holmes
All right, Alex, you lost it again.
We got to sing the song from the beginning.
You know, the problem with this song is there aren't any clear edit points that we can cut it together, Alex.
dan friesen
So when it was just Tucker, the idea that he was targeted because he wouldn't play ball with Fox was a good conspiracy narrative.
However, now Alex has learned that Don Lemon got fired the same day, and his worldview does not allow for coincidences.
So he has to figure out a way to make them connected.
And thus, the networks, but weirdly, not MSNBC, are firing the extreme left and extreme right so everyone's nicer, just like AOC demanded.
jordan holmes
Makes better.
dan friesen
But why wouldn't it be Rachel Maddow then?
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
She's the person who Alex complains about way more.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but it's Don Lemon.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
Because Don Lemon's Don Lemon.
dan friesen
Okay.
I guess AOC has magical powers where her stray words and interviews become the policy of multi-million dollar corporations.
Seems like a waste to use that power this way, but here we are.
Also, fun for Alex to accidentally admit that Tucker is an extreme right-wing figure.
This need for everything to be connected is a very interesting dynamic because if you really pay attention, it's a selective game.
For example, James Gordon's show went away on Monday, too.
So is Alex going to feel the need to connect that to his larger conspiracy narrative that he's constructing?
Probably not, because it's inconvenient and it's too hard to make that fit and make sense.
That's just a random thing that happened.
But Don Lemon's termination, that's related.
For what it's worth, there's been speculation that Lemon's termination has to do with some sexist comments and behavior, including recently saying on air that Nikki Haley was, quote, not in her prime.
Variety covered what appears to be a bit of a pattern behind the scenes in an article they published on April 5th, which could go a long way toward explaining what feels kind of like an abrupt termination, but maybe isn't.
We just aren't privy to some of that information.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you know, I keep thinking, you know, after Alex mockingly read his statement, there is a part of me that's like, I have seen the best journalists get laid off en masse for the past six months in every newsroom.
BuzzFeed News is now completely gone.
All those people, all their jobs just completely gone away.
And yet somehow Don Lemon is still out here being like, well, I thought they would have the decency to come to my, like, fucking, what are we doing here?
unidentified
Well, it's because, you know, like, it's because he thinks he's, it's because he thinks he's better than everybody.
dan friesen
Well, maybe not better.
I don't, I don't know.
Maybe he does.
But like, there's a celebrity to it.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
You know, like, and that's that's um, what we were talking about before we started recording even was like about there's this weirdness of this relationship that you have with news readers as characters kind of, and it seems it seems messed up, and I think that that's the reason that Alex is covering these and not talking about like, the journalists that are being fired in newsrooms and stuff, because they're not characters.
No, it's not drama to Alex that has any real juice there.
You know these people are.
It's it's like gossipy yeah, pop culture stuff, more than it is anything to do with news.
jordan holmes
Totally like I mean, if you were going to put a conspiracy together, you would start with BuzzFeed NEWS going completely away, followed by okay, so now we've got a, now we've got an entire publication going down all of a sudden.
Now we're getting famous anchors going down all of a sudden.
What's gonna happen next?
You know like they're coming for all news for saying something or other.
You know like it's there, it's there, but it's just too lazy, you know.
dan friesen
And then you peek behind the curtain.
Who is it reanimated?
Walter Cronkite?
God damn, it's payback.
jordan holmes
It's Futurama's Cronkite.
dan friesen
And uh jar uh-huh, working with Edward R. Burrowed out of the ground.
He's alive.
I was waiting I knew you were going with Burrow and I was waiting to see where you were gonna land that plane and sir smooth landing that was that was a sullen burger if anything so I'm gonna skip this next clip because it's Alex just saying again that like oh they had to get rid of lemon to get rid of Tucker yeah so anyway we're screwed and by we I mean Alex and his buddies Gotcha.
alex jones
We are literally screwed.
Okay.
And you think the left cares, they're demonic.
They love feces and needles and trats running around.
They love it.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
See you there, buddy.
alex jones
Yeah, even that Reuters headline is a whitewash.
They're ending all the gas-powered vehicles now with the emissions rule.
It's impossible to follow it.
They've listed carbon dioxide as a deadly gas.
You'll see.
You'll see.
And again, the left loves having no money.
They love needles and piles of feces and garbage everywhere.
You ask why?
Because they hate humanity.
They don't want you to have a nice house, a swimming pool, and to see you go to church, have happy kids.
unidentified
They're going to chop your children's genitals off.
alex jones
They like making you miserable.
Why does psychotics like to kidnap women and children and torture them in dungeons?
You're like, why the hell would you want to do that?
You're not a psychotic killer because, you see, when you watch Disney and Anheuser-Busch and Nike commit financial suicide by promoting pedophilia and mutilation of children, you say, why are they doing that?
Because these are just weapons systems owned by the big banks.
dan friesen
Oh, they're not.
They're also not.
They're not doing that.
No, and I think they're fine as businesses.
jordan holmes
Nope.
I'm confused.
You know, it's one of those things that he talks about, he throws out there all the time, you know?
But it is like, they don't want you to have a nice house with a nice pool and all that stuff.
And it's like, I mean, honestly, I kind of don't.
You know, like, you're wasting a lot of water.
What you're talking about with psychotics going and attacking you, you have to realize by consuming so fucking much, you are passively doing to any number of people.
dan friesen
Well, I think it's entirely possible to have a nice home and even have a pool in responsible ways.
You know, there are ways to make that less costly in terms of pollution or resource gobbling.
jordan holmes
Let's have a conversation about that.
dan friesen
Sure.
And I don't think that people on, let's say, the left are like, no, you can't have a nice home.
In the way that Alex characterizes it, like everyone has to live in coffin apartments.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Like, I don't think that anyone actually feels that way.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
And if they do, it's a very, very, very tiny minority, and they are politically unviable and not really relevant.
jordan holmes
I tried to start a political party based entirely around the idea of covering the Earth's surface with shipping containers and all of us living in an underground thing.
Only person in the party.
Only person, just me.
dan friesen
I also have my own one-person party.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah?
dan friesen
Yeah.
And that was, I was walking around Chicago and I noticed there's that strip of soil and trees between the sidewalk and the street.
jordan holmes
Yes, of course.
dan friesen
And I was thinking to myself, why isn't that full of potatoes?
jordan holmes
That's a good question.
dan friesen
Why are we growing potatoes on all of these?
jordan holmes
Sorry, sir.
You have now got two members of your political party.
dan friesen
Let's plant potatoes.
jordan holmes
I'm down for potato planting.
dan friesen
And I mean, look, we can branch out to other things eventually.
Maybe soon.
Tomatoes or wheat or something.
unidentified
I don't know.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
That's going to add in all kinds of infighting.
Then people are going to be like, oh, I prefer tomatoes to potatoes.
We don't want to do that.
Single issue party.
dan friesen
Here we go.
Hear me out.
jordan holmes
All right.
We're already arguing in our political party.
dan friesen
East-West Streets, potatoes.
North, South Streets, tomatoes.
jordan holmes
I think that's a good copper button.
We're on a grid.
That's why we have to make all cities grids.
No more river towns.
unidentified
Where were we?
jordan holmes
I don't remember.
I am loving this potato idea.
dan friesen
So, Alex is like, wow, we're all fucked.
We're all screwed.
jordan holmes
We're literally screwed.
dan friesen
And I think it's kind of just a lead-in because Alex is mad that people won't give him money.
alex jones
They don't want you to have resources.
They want control with their money.
And so all the middle class and all the nouveau rich and all the wealthy people that aren't globalists don't get organized and don't dedicate their time and energy to fighting tyranny.
Or they try to hide and keep themselves safe.
And that's why you're going to lose everything.
Keeping safe with a criminal takeover ensures you get destroyed.
Yeah, maybe you get eaten a little bit later.
Where are your instincts?
But it is the common people that are the ones that donate and give and care and spread the word.
But it's all the folks that live in the country clubs that think they're safe and that think that they're isolated from everything else who are going to wish to your dying minute you'd have done more when you had a damn chance.
Get me the Alexander Schultz and Eatson quote printed for the next hour of oh, how we burned in the camps.
I don't want just the one paragraph.
It's about three, four paragraphs.
unidentified
I want the full quote.
dan friesen
Great.
alex jones
Out of the Gulag Archipelago.
Oh, later how we burned in the camps.
So angry at ourselves that when the NKVD came to round us up and take us away one family at a time at night, we would have made a stand.
But see, with Stalin's NKVD, they just said we're coming to grab you because you're not a communist or we don't like you.
Here it's, oh, we're coming to get you because your phone said you got a virus.
Oh, a contact tracing system said, or, oh, and a checklist said you were positive because the field's already programmed to your name.
And we had to disappear into a camp.
unidentified
And yeah, you died in the camp, but that's okay.
alex jones
It's to keep us safe.
It's all primed and ready.
dan friesen
Did that happen at all?
jordan holmes
I don't.
So if I understand correctly, all of a sudden, unlike Stalin, it's going to be like, oh, your phone's got a virus.
dan friesen
No, and then you're in the middle of the street.
No, no, it's like contact tracing for like, you know, you got, you probably got COVID.
Oh, it's going to take you to a camp.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
Well, it's 2023.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know how he expects that to have any purchase.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because I don't know a whole lot of people who had any real interaction with those automated contact tracing things on phones.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I don't think so.
dan friesen
No.
Certainly no one got picked up and taken to a camp.
jordan holmes
No, I don't know if anybody really used that.
dan friesen
I'm not tired on this stuff.
Maybe you should rework this material.
This is like a stand-up with an act that's outdated.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
But also, I would say that that's the only Solts and Itsen quote that Alex knows.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't think he's read the Gulag Archipelago.
I think he just knows that quote because it encourages violence.
Or at least to Alex's eyes, it does.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
Yeah, but these rich fucks won't give him money.
jordan holmes
I appreciate that it's been a long time since I've heard that the nouveau rich need to come together and unionize to support the common people.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
That's interesting.
dan friesen
But not even the common people.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
Alex.
jordan holmes
Alex specifically.
Alex is the avatar of the common man.
dan friesen
If he goes down, then there will be no common people.
jordan holmes
There will only be the nouveau rich.
Wait, no, that's.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
I'm thinking of a fantasy novel about Alex being right.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Like a world where there's this real idiot who lies all the time and is a complete dramatic embarrassment on the air.
And it hurts people constantly and doesn't give a fuck about it.
But then, like, he gets off the air, and it turns out he was the only thing that was stopping the globalists from taking over the world.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
It makes for a fun, like, sci-fi kind of make maybe a novel, but uh, right.
jordan holmes
I mean, here's the, but the twist has to be not for any of the things that he said on air.
Like, all of the things he said on air remain untrue.
However, he is picked up because he is the lynchpin in some fashion.
dan friesen
They need his blood for something.
jordan holmes
Something like that.
Yeah, totally.
Like, a complete, just random coincidence that he can't process because it's a random coincidence.
dan friesen
He has Arthurian blood.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
It has to be a conspiracy, but it's actually a coincidence.
But because of the coincidence, it becomes a conspiracy.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's the one conspiracy he didn't know about.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
Yes, the one about him.
dan friesen
The conspiracy to plant potatoes all over Chicago.
Now we're cooking.
jordan holmes
It's going to be a good one.
dan friesen
So Alex finds the Gulag Archipelago quote.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
Let me read it now.
Alexander Schultz and Eatson.
And how we burned in the camps later, thinking, what would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say goodbye to his family, or if during periods of mass arrest, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people have not simply sat there in their lairs, palling with terror at every bang on the downstairs door,
at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, and whatever else they had in hand because they didn't have guns.
The organs would have very quickly suffered a shortage of officers and transport.
And notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt if we didn't love freedom enough.
And even more, we had no awareness of the real situation.
We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.
They're going to murder you and your family.
They're going to rip your children's teeth out while they rape them with pliers right in front of you.
I mean, that's what they do.
I mean, this is it.
This is the end of America.
This is the takeover.
This is the New World Order.
It's already lawless.
It's already gone to hell.
This is a takeover.
And you can sit there and play games all day long.
Stalin just wanted totally obedient slaves for his Industrial Revolution for global domination.
He's willing to kill 40 million people to do it.
The New World Order is worse than Stalin.
It wants to kill you in a very orderly fashion.
jordan holmes
Like Stalin.
alex jones
Just say again, ladies and gentlemen.
What are you going to do to promote this show?
What are you going to do to take this in this broadcast and share it once you go to Panama Radio?
jordan holmes
It's pathetic.
That is unreal.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That is true.
dan friesen
I've talked about this a number of times before.
Like, the only concrete solution Alex ever really provides to anything is self-promoting.
Or not even self-promoting.
It's promoting him.
You doing the promoting.
You become a street team for Alex.
You give him money.
You buy his shit.
These are the only concrete solutions that he has to any product.
Like them tearing your children's teeth out in a gulag.
Yeah, okay.
Well, why don't you promote my show more?
Oh, how we burned in the camps because we didn't push links to banned.video enough.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Go fuck yourself.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you know, it is a little bit on the ironic side to say, oh, they're coming to kill you and enslave you.
And that's why I want you to work for free.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah.
But it does lead Alex to get pretty fucking mad.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
dan friesen
He's getting real hot in this episode.
I get it.
I mean, he lost his best friend on air.
jordan holmes
Oh, totally.
dan friesen
So he starts screaming about everyone needs to repost his shit.
unidentified
Sure.
alex jones
We know millions shooting today.
We see the numbers.
And I say, please go get this Greg Reese report.
Please go get this report about the UN legalizing pedophilia or trying to in Washington State say they're going to take children from parents and forcibly sterilize them.
Please get the report out.
And I beg.
And it gets, you know, 400,000 views.
dan friesen
No.
alex jones
Because, you know, you don't really want to promote it on Facebook or Twitter.
You might get restricted.
That's Alex Jones.
He's a little embarrassing.
I may not want to share that link.
Well, then, you take what we report.
Okay?
I'm not up here saying all this wild stuff to sound shocking.
You think I want to take on these psychotics for no reason?
jordan holmes
You think I got a damn death wish?
alex jones
I am the opposite of a death wish.
Going along with this is a freaking nihilistic death wish.
This is survival you're seeing.
This is resistance you're seeing.
This is not some heroic exercise.
It's confirmed in the last two years in the Texas sector alone.
They've given hundreds of thousands of children over to sex traffickers and traffickers, and they've let loose at least 20,000 hardcore convicted pedophiles.
So all you that work for the system that don't stand up against this and a lot of the system standing up, just remember, you're just as guilty as the criminals.
So that's all.
I need your support.
You need my support.
We're in this together.
And I'd like to see an indicator of your support.
Support us at InfoWarStore.com.
But regardless, share the articles, share the videos.
dan friesen
That's amazing.
jordan holmes
What an abusive cult leader.
alex jones
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's about as an abusive cult leader as you can possibly get.
dan friesen
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
jordan holmes
I am God's chosen representative to save you on this earth, and you are not giving me enough money.
dan friesen
You need me.
And the use of the emotion is so fucking manipulative.
Oh, totally.
It's just an abusive thing.
But you might have noticed there's a little bit that was cut out there.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I did notice.
dan friesen
Yeah, there's a little edit.
jordan holmes
I was wondering.
dan friesen
So it took me a while, but I was able to find what was cut out.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's good.
alex jones
Because, you know, you don't really want to promote it on Facebook or Twitter.
You might get restricted.
That's Alex Jones.
He's a little embarrassing.
I may not want to share that link.
Well, then, you take what we report there, check it off yourself, and do your own freaking report.
Do your own fucking report right now before we're all fucked.
Okay, I'm not up here saying all this wild stuff to sound shocking.
You think I want to take on these psychotics for no reason?
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
See, now that's the voice work that we were looking for.
He can do it for one word.
He's got that talent for one word.
dan friesen
And hey, I would like to suggest to Alex that that is exactly what we're doing.
I'm taking the information that he puts out, and I'm making my own reports.
And they are not coming out well for him.
jordan holmes
That's not a positive, it's not a positive viewpoint.
dan friesen
So congratulations, though.
You got exactly what you wanted.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it does seem that way, but it feels like he doesn't want it.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Strange.
dan friesen
So Alex has done his emotionally abusive rant.
Sure.
He goes out to break, and he comes back with the scene from Network.
jordan holmes
The boardroom scene.
dan friesen
All right.
And here's just a little section of it where Alex is talking over it.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
He's really playing the scene.
dan friesen
The whole scene.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
Delightful.
unidentified
And our children will live.
I've literally been given these speeches by courtesy.
jordan holmes
Yes, you literally have.
alex jones
I've told him piss up a rope.
unidentified
Perfect world in which there's no war or famine.
alex jones
I've been in boardrooms almost like that one.
unidentified
Or brutality.
alex jones
This actually goes on just like this.
jordan holmes
Why are you still talking?
unidentified
An ecumenical holding company for whom all men will work to serve a common profit.
Except they tell you, all men will hold a share.
alex jones
We need you to join us and help us.
unidentified
You're so smart.
All necessity.
alex jones
He does that right.
dan friesen
You know why he's still talking?
Because he's trying to convince himself.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's telling this bullshit.
He's like, yeah, you're such a big boy.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
You're so strong and smart.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it is funny that he is talking to a mirror, but because a mirror is so abhorrent, he talks to what he believes is the mirror, and that is fiction.
alex jones
Well, or.
dan friesen
The microphone.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
You know, the audience is the receptive mirror so he doesn't have to look at himself.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
Yeah.
I mean, everything he does is very clearly to avoid confronting a real self-image.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
Because that's a nightmare.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's real dumb.
jordan holmes
That's a disaster.
dan friesen
So one of the tricks that he has is bringing in Owen.
And so it turns out.
jordan holmes
It's not a good trick.
dan friesen
Turns out Alex wasn't even going to come in today.
But then Tucker got away from the corner.
Tucker got fired.
jordan holmes
Sorry he didn't have a choice.
alex jones
Well, the great Owen Schroyer took a well-deserved week off, and he was back today.
And here's what was going on behind the scenes.
I have so much business stuff to take care of to keep this show on air.
I'm not complaining.
It's just I came to the producers about 45 minutes for airtime and I said, call Owen and tell him, come host the show today, because I've literally got to go around and deal with stuff running this place or we won't be here.
And then I called Owen 20 minutes before and he goes, hey, I'm actually here.
So we walked over and talked to her.
I said, he's part of Tucker.
He said, yeah, I just learned about it.
I said, well, why don't you co-host with me in the second hour and the third hour today?
And so he is here with us now to give his insight.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Something.
jordan holmes
Something.
dan friesen
Whatever.
But yeah, so Owen was going to host, but then Alex realized people are going to be watching my show because Tucker got fired.
jordan holmes
Tucker got fired.
dan friesen
So there'll be more eyes on this.
Maybe I can do this outburst and bring in a little bit of money.
Owen's not good enough at this, so we don't want to waste a good crisis.
Don't let a good crisis go to waste.
Like Ram Emmanuel.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It is.
That's exactly it.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
So they talk a bit about lawsuits.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Because they know about.
jordan holmes
They've got a lot of experience now.
dan friesen
And talk about the Fox case a little bit here.
alex jones
And they sue you with a kept judge, and the judge in the Dominion Fox case didn't call it a default, but ruled two months before Fox News purposely lied, which they never even did that.
And Fox News is liable.
And Fox News, this is the key.
Fox News lied.
Fox News.
Oh, and there was no election fraud, and these machines are unhackable.
So the judge is already going to tell the jury you're guilty.
That's why they settled for that amount.
And so they've already got another judge, another group ready.
It'll probably be in D.C., ready to go against Newscore.
And so this lawfare is now holding Newscore hostage.
owen shroyer
Well, that's why it's so important for people to understand how radical and dangerous the American left has become because they're the ones that control this entire court system now and they know it.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
owen shroyer
Sure.
jordan holmes
The one that outlawed abortion.
owen shroyer
You take LeBron James and you sit him down next to some high school freshman benchwarmer and that benchwarmer says, I'm better.
I'm going to beat LeBron James.
Well, yeah, he could say, well, okay, I'll go play you.
But if he knows every bucket he makes is worth negative two points and every bucket the other guy makes is worth 100 points.
Well, that's a rigged game.
You're not going to win that game.
So you could say, well, yeah, I'm going to go to court and I'm going to take my chances and I'm going to get discovery and I'm going to argue my cases.
Doesn't matter.
It's a ringed case.
You cannot win it.
And so that's what I think people are starting to learn here.
alex jones
And again, they can pick the jurisdiction with their judges.
dan friesen
That metaphor is dumb.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But also, even if you accept the full extent of that metaphor, you cannot lose.
You can tie just by playing good defense.
Like LeBron James could probably keep that freshman bench warmer to zero.
jordan holmes
He's done it to professional NBA players.
dan friesen
Right.
So like he doesn't have to score buckets if they're going to be negative points.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
So you could end up with a 0-0 tie, which is a win.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
No one won.
So I guess.
jordan holmes
So it's a dumb game.
dan friesen
Well, sure.
But if Alex and Owen exist in this circumstance and they're completely innocent, they could play good defense during their trial and end up coming out with a not billion dollar loss.
jordan holmes
A tie.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
A zero-dollar loss.
dan friesen
Exactly.
So Fox didn't have a default judgment or anything like that.
Text messages were found in Discovery that very clearly indicated that the people who were making fraudulent claims about Dominion knew that what they were reporting on was false when they reported it, which means that the case for actual malice would be very simple for Dominion to make.
Fox hadn't lost the case at that point officially, but everyone, including Fox, knew that if it went to trial, they had no chance, which is why they settled.
Alex had every opportunity to engage with Discovery in his own case, and he chose not to because he also knew that he would lose if the case went to trial.
He tried to lowball the Sandy Hook families with settlement offers, which they declined, so he was not given the offer amp that Fox was able to take.
Instead, he was forced to drag his heels and try every trick he could to come up with to stall the proceedings and hope to force the families to settle.
They did not, and ultimately, Alex's shitty behavior earned him a lot of fines in the form of sanctions, and ultimately, when other attempts to get him to participate failed, he was defaulted.
He did it all to himself.
He has no one else to blame.
And interestingly, during the damages hearing, Alex went on air and made claims about the plaintiffs in the case.
When the Texas case was ongoing, Alex talked quite a bit about Scarlett Lewis and Neil Hesslin, which was really, really disrespectful.
One of the claims he made about Miss Lewis was that she realized that Alex was actually right and that her attorneys had lied to him, lied to her about him, which we can hear in this clip here.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
alex jones
And I got on stand and I said, Scarlett, go to the fourth second.
Go to 33 After in my show today on stand.
I said, watch it.
I said you're real.
I said your son's real.
Whoever gave that to you is a liar.
She got up and left, came back an hour later crying and was like, oh, and she goes, you're right.
So we broke through that they're being handled and manipulated.
dan friesen
He told that story repeatedly.
alex jones
Because they use these families as pawns.
The families come over and shook my hand and hugged me and really woke up to the fact that they'd been manipulated and their own lawyers went like they were dogs.
Get over here and stop talking to him on video.
dan friesen
He even went so far as to bring up this story when he went on a guest as a guest earlier this year on Piers Morgan.
alex jones
And then she went on the stand and said, Jones attacked me and said I'm an actress.
It's all fake today.
And I walked over to her during the break and I said, watch my show from today.
Your lawyer's lied to you.
And the next day she came up and cried and shook my hand.
Scarlett Lewis has said, oh my God, it's true.
I saw you did say that.
dan friesen
You may notice in this version of the story, she came up to him crying the next day, whereas the previous telling of it was an hour later after she'd gone and watched Alex's show to find the alleged truth.
jordan holmes
So weird how the truths keep changing.
dan friesen
Yeah, there's a discrepancy here because Alex is just making this story up.
One possible reason is because, you know, without some kind of face-saving story like this, Alex seems like the piece of shit that he actually is in the case of the trial.
He traumatized these grieving parents and then continued to do so while the trial was happening because it was profitable for him.
Sincerely, another possibility is that Alex really is just that delusional.
Like reality may not be a fixed construct for him, and events exist merely to satisfy story beats that he needs to exist to be there so he can tell his heroic narrative.
I don't think that's the case, but it's a possibility.
jordan holmes
His solipsism may be overwhelming to the point of.
dan friesen
I find that if that were the case, he would not be as functional as he was.
jordan holmes
Right.
It seems impossible.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It would come out in many other ways.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Whatever the case, after Alex was on Piers' show, Scarlett sent him a warning letter saying that he needed to retract and correct this clear lie about her.
You may notice that this never happened on his show and we haven't heard about it.
And that's because it's buried in a video he put out on banned.video and almost nobody has seen.
But since I was curious, and because I'll take any excuse not to listen to Owen co-hosting, I decided now might be a good time for us to listen to that retraction video as a distraction.
unidentified
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
I actually found this because I was going through.
I was trying, like, Alex made all these ridiculous claims about how many views his videos get.
And so I was going through, trying to find the last time he had anything that was over a million views.
And I don't think I could find anything on it.
I got bored after a couple months.
Damn.
The highest things he had were like the Ye interview and the Roseanne one.
But those were like 600-something thousand and 700,000.
unidentified
Wow.
dan friesen
So like they weren't even crossing the million.
The only things on banned.video that get like over a million sometimes are Greg Reese's reports.
Anyway, so as I was scrolling through all of them, I was like, retraction?
What is this?
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And so I decided, hey, this is interesting.
The first red flag that jumps out immediately is that the video is 14 and a half minutes long.
jordan holmes
That is too long.
dan friesen
There's no reason for that.
jordan holmes
No reason for that whatsoever.
dan friesen
This is not something that requires a complicated answer.
It's a, I said something that wasn't true.
jordan holmes
It requires a complicated answer if you want to both retract the statement and also at the same time, try and convince the person who you made that statement about that actually you are correct.
dan friesen
Yeah, and that's basically what this is.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there we go.
dan friesen
So Alex begins by reading a statement that his lawyers clearly were like, don't riff.
jordan holmes
Oh my God.
dan friesen
Stay on track.
alex jones
The following is a clarification correction issued by myself, Alex Jones, here on Infowars.
As many know, I was sued by Miss Scarlett Lewis concerning certain remarks I had made about the shooting and death of her son at Sandy Hook Elementary School.
In early August of 2022, we were in trial in Austin, Texas on Miss Lewis' claims of defamation she filed against me.
During that trial, Miss Lewis and her ex-husband approached me to talk, which we did.
And after a brief conversation, we shook hands.
Later, I appeared on Piers Morgan's television show talking about the trial and recounted the brief conversation I had with Miss Lewis.
Recently, I received a letter from Mark Bankston, one of the lawyers for Miss Scarlett Lewis in the Texas Sandy Hook trial, in which Miss Lewis' lawyer demanded from me a correction, clarification, or retraction of those few statements I had made in January of 2023 on the Piers Morgan show about the courtroom conversation with Miss Lewis, and I'm happy to oblige.
dan friesen
So we'll see if he obliges.
alex jones
Yep, yep, yep.
dan friesen
Matt, just for the sake of like full clarification, you know, I'm friendly with Mark.
I haven't really talked to him in a while or anything.
I don't have any inside information, and I didn't even know this had happened until I scrolled through banned.video.
So like, I don't have any kind of insight outside of what is here and what I already know about the trial.
But, oh, and that we were there, I guess.
Yeah, yeah, we were there.
jordan holmes
We saw the handshake and we saw Mark be like, This isn't happening.
This is not happening, you fucked up monster.
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex continues to read from his lawyer's prepared statement.
alex jones
First, I want the viewing audience to understand what I said and what Mr. Bankson has demanded of me so that my remarks today will clarify my retraction I'm going to make.
It's important to keep in mind that during the trial, I continued to produce my live talk radio show.
On the morning of August 2nd, 2022, I made certain comments about the tragic nature of the Sandy Hook shooting, where I confirmed that Miss Lewis was real and the shooting was real and the death of her son was real.
Miss Lewis, however, was incorrectly told that I had attacked her as an actor in my broadcast and she so testified, not having actually heard my on-air statements from that morning's broadcast.
I was called to testify immediately after Miss Lewis and I immediately corrected her misperception.
Later that afternoon at a break, Miss Lewis and her ex-husband walked over to me in the courtroom.
Miss Lewis handed me a bottle of water and as I recall a cough drop.
We shook hands and we exchanged cordial words.
Attorney Mark Bankston now wants me to retract what I remembered she said to me in that exchange.
dan friesen
That's very kind of her, considering Alex had a fake torn larynx.
jordan holmes
Yeah, what she was doing was a radical act of kindness directed towards a monster who had and now Alex is exploiting that radical act of kindness.
dan friesen
Yep, yep, yep.
Because that's who he is.
And that's who he is.
I think a large reason of why Mark would say this isn't happening is because you have to be aware that Alex is going to exploit this shit.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's going to take anything he can and turn it into something that works for him.
So here is the demand that has been made.
jordan holmes
All right.
alex jones
Attorney Bankston's demand letter sets out his complaint as follows.
Miss Lewis never spoke those words or anything similar to Mr. Jones.
dan friesen
True.
alex jones
And Miss Lewis is disturbed that this lie was broadcast to millions of people, exposing her to contempt and ridicule.
Finally, Attorney Bankston's demand letter concludes with criticism of my recollection of my conversation with Miss Lewis, writing to me as follows.
And I quote, Mr. Jones has now decided months later to lie about Miss Lewis again by manufacturing a fantasy conversation and spreading it to an audience of millions to a reputational and emotional detriment.
Attorney Bankston now demands that I retract my recollection of Miss Lewis's response to me, which I am going to do.
But first, let me say that I truly feel sorry for Miss Lewis and her ex-husband.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, we're four minutes in, right?
It's a 14-minute video.
We're four minutes in.
There's no reason for this to go any longer.
unidentified
Nope.
dan friesen
You can just say what you said.
There's the demand.
I retract the statements that I made.
You don't even really need to explain things.
jordan holmes
I mean, no, you need to go out of your way not to explain things and accept responsibility for the thing you did.
dan friesen
But you don't even have to be that overt.
jordan holmes
No, you don't.
dan friesen
Because on this, on this.
jordan holmes
I'm retracting my statements.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's it.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I'm retracting them.
dan friesen
Simple.
It's done.
jordan holmes
It's done right here at four.
The moment you are talking about a retraction, but first.
And then you say, but first, you have negated any and all things that you might have or had said up to that point.
dan friesen
It makes your intentions murky.
And then the other thing, too, is I guess, like, up till this point, he has also mischaracterized a number of things in terms of the course of events.
But, you know, I think at this four-minute point, you can get away with like just being like, I retract, and then it's as good as you're going to get with Alex.
But the, but first, that's where there's problems.
jordan holmes
That's where it goes wrong.
dan friesen
Yep.
alex jones
They did suffer the death of their child, and I've repeatedly said this.
So my comments upset them.
This was the last thing I wanted to do.
Now, as to Attorney Bankston's demand that I retract my statement he quotes regarding Miss Lewis's response to me on August 2nd, I have gone back and reviewed the video available of that day's event, and I want to show five relevant clips from these videos.
These clips come from August 2nd, 2022.
Number one shows Miss Lewis trial testimony.
The second video, my response in trial testimony.
Third video, my actual morning on-air statements.
Four, the end-of-day brief courtroom conversation and handshake I had with Miss Lewis.
And finally, number five, my August 3rd, the following morning, my court testimony about Miss Lewis shaking my hand and how much I appreciated that handshake.
dan friesen
This is a huge problem for two main reasons.
The first is that Alex absolutely did not care if what he was saying hurt Scarlett Lewis or Neil Heslin.
His primary operating principle is to use people like them as a means to an end, not an end in and of themselves.
There was a video of him shaking their hands, so he knew he could make up a story about that interaction that would be believable enough to his audience based on the fact that the video exists.
That's all he cared about.
And if he never got a demand for a retraction that his lawyers insisted he takes seriously, Alex would never have even considered how much his words could affect Miss Lewis.
They don't exist as actual people with actual feelings to Alex unless he needs to act like they do in order to avoid the consequences of his actions.
The second major problem is that he seems to be trying to mount a defense for his claims rather than retract or clarify them.
By playing a series of clips, Alex seems to be suggesting that maybe Scarlett is the one lying about their exchange, which really seems like the last thing he should be doing in a retraction.
jordan holmes
I feel like I can sue him for defamation for this.
dan friesen
Alex's strategy is exactly what he's laid out here.
Except, of course, he's still a malicious lying shithead.
So he starts by playing the clip of Scarlett's testimony.
And so here's a little bit of that.
unidentified
I wanted to tell you to your face because I wanted you to know that I am a mother first and foremost.
I know that you're a father and my son existed.
You're still on your show today trying to say that I'm implying that I'm an actress, that I'm deep state.
You have this week.
And I don't understand.
Truth, truth is so vital.
dan friesen
The section he plays is a little bit longer, but this is the main point, that she said that he'd implied that she was an actor or deep state on his show on that day or thereabouts.
Then Alex plays a clip of himself on the stand saying that she needed to watch the whole thing.
Then he plays what I guess he's presenting as the whole clip from his show, which allegedly Scarlett is responding to.
alex jones
Oh, and I got to say this.
I've now met Neil Heslin and his ex-wife.
Those people are real once I saw him in person.
A lot of anomalies.
The government lies so much.
jordan holmes
See, I tried to do that.
You just said that.
alex jones
I thought Jesse Smollett was a lie.
jordan holmes
You just said that.
alex jones
I said it first.
Went out on a limb.
jordan holmes
You're doing something right now.
alex jones
Most of the time, I'm right.
We saw anomalies.
I wasn't the first to bring up the anomalies.
Some of the anomalies are going to be a fraud.
I've spent days literally seven feet, eight feet away from Heslin because we're sitting right there.
They're sitting right there.
That guy's real.
If my asking questions about public events hurt these people's feelings, I'm sorry.
dan friesen
So that isn't really the clip, though.
alex jones
Nope.
dan friesen
That she was responding to.
There's a longer version of this.
jordan holmes
I believe we and so many people saw that clip.
dan friesen
And here's that.
alex jones
Oh, and I got to say this.
I've now met Neil Heslin and his ex-wife.
Those people are real once I saw them in person.
A lot of anomalies.
The government lies so much.
They have a right to question things.
I thought Jesse Smollett was a lie.
I said it first.
Went out on a limb.
I was right.
Most of the time, I'm right.
We saw anomalies.
I wasn't the first to bring up the anomalies.
Some of the anomalies are going to be a fraud.
I've spent days literally seven feet, eight feet away from Heslin because we're sitting right there.
They're sitting right there.
That guy's real.
And I thought it was an act when I saw some of the stuff on TV just because he came off as so yeah.
jordan holmes
Didn't put it in.
alex jones
I should say he's a nice man, and it's not an act.
He is being manipulated by some very bad people.
unidentified
There we go.
alex jones
And I'll just say, because I got to be honest, he's slow, okay?
And his ex-wife is not.
And I don't think he's stupid.
I'm just saying he's he's.
I've got family members that are really smart in a lot of ways, but they're just real kind of quiet and have this way about them.
And they move at a different pace.
Like they're fast in some ways and slow in others.
And he's, I mean, I think Heslin acts like somebody on the spectrum.
And it makes me feel like an even bigger jerk.
But when I saw him, I'm like, there's something about this guy.
This doesn't look.
And now that I've been around him for over a week, I'm like, okay, now I know.
Folks, I don't have some calculated point, just bringing that up here.
It's just that I'm around these people and I'm looking at it and I'm watching what's being said and what's going on.
And it really then makes it clear what happened.
dan friesen
Just in that clip, you can see how Alex has edited out the part where he's saying that Miss Lewis and Mr. Heslin are being manipulated by evil people, dark forces.
He says that Hesslin is slow, but Lewis is not, which kind of implies that she wouldn't be as easy to manipulate.
Reading the obvious subtext, you might come to the conclusion that she's in on it.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Also, not for nothing, Alex wasn't around these people for very long.
He barely showed up to the court.
Most of the time that he was around, he was yelling out in front of the courthouse trying to get media attention.
Alex played that clip in his retraction video and cut out the part that was actually offensive to Hesslin and Lewis because he doesn't want his audience to have that context in case they stumble onto this retraction video.
He's trying to provide a retraction video that he thinks is just barely a retraction, just enough to make it work, while simultaneously it's supposed to serve to reassure the audience that Alex is actually right.
And if the conclusion is that Alex is right and doesn't really need to have made a retraction, then the audience would reach the very obvious next conclusion, which is that Scarlett is lying about their exchange.
Alex's continuing terrorizing of these people is recontextualized for the audience as a continuing attack on Alex himself because he is a malicious, abusive cult leader.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, it is so much like the justice system is simply not prepared to handle Alex in a civil manner.
Like, if you think that consequences can come in the form of money for him, you're wrong.
You're just wrong.
dan friesen
Unless you can take that money immediately.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, I mean, yes.
But that's even then, that's not money.
That's like taking away his access to, you know.
But again, it's taking away his access to the show.
It's taking away his access to his audience.
It's taking away his access to the cult.
That's the only thing you can do to provide consequences.
And they're just not doing it.
dan friesen
Yeah, the only way that this really, I guess, gets any better is, you know, having a situation where there isn't a community of enablers that support Alex in some way.
Yeah.
Because he is just malicious and will never stop doing the things that he wants to do that are profitable or that satisfy some kind of an emotional need that he has until there's no one left to play along.
Yeah.
But that day probably will never come.
jordan holmes
Well, and I mean, again, that's like that's.
dan friesen
I don't know if the legal system has some kind of remedy for that.
jordan holmes
No, I know.
dan friesen
I think it's time.
I think it's people in his audience realizing what he's doing.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
But yeah, I don't know.
I don't know.
It's a bummer.
jordan holmes
I mean, my point is just like the rules and all of this stuff, like you cannot go to the judge and just be like, listen, this doesn't happen.
We have 800 fucking episodes of this.
When I tell you that you cannot punish Alex this way, I am saying this not from the point of view of somebody who wants punishment or putting aside my desires.
This is just the only way.
dan friesen
Yeah, just be advised.
This isn't going to make a difference.
jordan holmes
This is nothing.
This is meaningless.
You have wasted our time.
dan friesen
And if anything, unless done carefully, unless some of these things are done fairly carefully, you run the risk of creating circumstances that Alex can exploit to reinforce his martyr status with his audience, which ensures that they will never go away.
It is always a dangerous possibility.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
So Alex continues his retraction video by not really retracting stuff, maybe actually making more allegations.
unidentified
Great.
alex jones
Hopefully, after watching these actual video clips, several matters are clear.
First, it shows that the trial testimony of Miss Lewis about her understanding of my on-air statements earlier in the morning of trial was wrong.
I told her in the courtroom that I had not attacked her that day, as the video of my actual on-air statements that morning demonstrate.
dan friesen
Maybe your understanding is the one that's wrong, Alex.
jordan holmes
It feels like Alex went to his lawyers and they were like, here's what you need to say to satisfy Mark's letter.
And then Alex went, well, I'm going to add some clips and stuff.
And they were like, we're going to add billable hours.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Could be.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Seems unadvisable.
But then again, his lawyers are shitheads, too.
jordan holmes
That's true.
They'll be like, hey, listen, we'll get them this time.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So he goes on.
alex jones
These clips show that after my testimony that day in the courtroom, I had a conversation that was initiated by Miss Lewis that ended with Miss Lewis and me shaking hands and her ex-husband and I shaking hands.
Unfortunately, the audio I have of the exchange is poor and you cannot hear much of what we're saying.
But it seems clear that while we were shaking hands, we were talking.
And while they are not all recorded as the one I just showed, I had several courthouse conversations with Miss Lewis and all of them were polite and civil.
To be clear and clarify.
jordan holmes
Oh my God.
We've got a clarification on the clip.
alex jones
I'm not sure and her husband.
We only caught it on tape one time.
And what I said on Pierce Morton was a composite of those discussions.
It is the precise words that Miss Lewis and I exchanged before and after our handshake that Terny Bankson now objects to and wants me to retract, which I am glad to do.
jordan holmes
What is this?
No, no.
Now you've introduced the reality that you did edit the shit out of this.
alex jones
Yes.
jordan holmes
Which means you could have cut out all the clip parts.
dan friesen
Well, no, because I think he thinks the clip parts are a good argument.
jordan holmes
No, he thinks those are the centerpiece of the retraction video.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
It's proof that he doesn't need to retract anything.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, because his argument essentially, like, he's really bad at communicating this, but his argument essentially is, oh, yeah, you know, there was that part where I said that, you know, Neil Hesslin was slow and they're being manipulated by evil people and all this.
Yeah, they said that, but she didn't see the part where I said she was real.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Right?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
So that was his point in court.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And it's like, no, I saw that part.
That's all the part.
But I'm talking about the other part.
jordan holmes
That part doesn't.
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
It doesn't look like that.
jordan holmes
When you say that if you see it in context, you don't understand that the context of the first part is negated by the second part.
dan friesen
No, but you got to see the first part.
That's the only part.
jordan holmes
No, That's the problem with the first part is that by saying first, you are implying there is a second part.
dan friesen
In full context, it's just that little part.
jordan holmes
I'm struggling to make sense of that, sir.
dan friesen
I do like how that audio changed so drastically.
Boy, that's suspicious.
jordan holmes
Boy, howdy.
dan friesen
Someone told you to do that.
jordan holmes
Boy, howdy, did you have to do that at your studio?
dan friesen
And you know why he did that?
It was in order to create more plausible deniability.
It's like, oh, yeah, in that conversation, maybe she didn't say it, but there were other ones that weren't.
jordan holmes
It's a composite.
It's a composite.
dan friesen
It's just such cowardly shit.
jordan holmes
And because I didn't show those videos, I do have to come in and say that I didn't show those videos.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So here's the end of this.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
I do not wish to harm or damage Miss Lewis in any way.
And if she does not agree with my recollection of her response to me, I will defer to Miss Lewis' recollection of her statements and withdraw and disclaim my recollections of what she said in our conversation.
While I am sure of what I told Miss Lewis, I defer entirely to her recollection of what she said in response.
And if she disagrees, then I will withdraw and retract my recollection of her comments.
In conclusion, I want to emphasize that I have no ill will, ill feelings, or any malice towards Miss Lewis or her ex-husband.
I know and understand they have suffered a tragedy with the murder of their son, and I do not wish to cause them any further grief, harm, or embarrassment.
I once again would like to invite them to come on my show.
You mother and to talk about their son's life if they so choose.
I am also trying to reach an agreement for another appearance on Piers Morgan's show to let his audience hear this clarification and correction.
jordan holmes
Mother fucking piece of shit.
Absolute trash monster.
Absolute.
dan friesen
That's the end of the video.
jordan holmes
That is not real.
What is happening?
dan friesen
He's trying to use it to get rebooted.
jordan holmes
This is unacceptable.
unidentified
He's trying to use this demand for retraction to get Piers Morgan's.
dan friesen
It's amazing.
jordan holmes
I just, I just.
dan friesen
Never let a crisis go to waste.
jordan holmes
I'm blown away.
I'm blown away.
That should be in front of the judge, and it should be putting him in jail.
That's jail time shit.
dan friesen
It's pretty amazing, like, and just so like how Alex works.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
The like, maybe I could get back on Piers Morgan.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
Totally.
That's such shithead behavior.
But that's what you expect.
So this isn't a matter of just misremembering something.
This is a case of fabricating a claim about someone for a specific reason.
Alex didn't just get a little thing she said wrong.
He repeatedly said on air that she'd seen his full video.
She realized that he was right and that her lawyers had been lying to her.
Clearly against her will, Alex was turning Scarlett into a character in his fantasy world, specifically a character that acts in ways that are directly against the wishes of Scarlett, the real person.
This is a malicious act on Alex's part, and he knows it.
But his lawyers have scripted up this way for him to claim that it was just a matter of misremembering something that was said, and he thinks this is good enough.
And I think spiritually it's certainly not.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, I find it.
dan friesen
It's a parody of a retraction.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, a lawyer's statement that was clearly written by the lawyer means nothing to me.
First off, I just don't care about anybody who reads a statement written for them by their lawyer.
dan friesen
Let's fuck off.
Let's just say we assume that it's by the lawyer.
I don't think Alex wrote that.
But we don't know that for sure.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
But the problem with Alex and the problem with cult leaders in general, whenever you have them read a lawyer statement, is that everybody in the cult is like, oh, the lawyer made you read that statement.
You don't actually believe that shit.
dan friesen
Right.
It's the same way that so many of Alex's audience members are like, I know you're talking about the Jews, but you just aren't saying it because you can't.
jordan holmes
Because you can't.
I know you don't know.
I don't know you don't mean what you're saying, but you can't not say this.
dan friesen
You can't say the part that we all hear.
Yep.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
And that, yeah, that is the.
And the problem with retractions with the cult leader, too, is that they're infallible.
And so it's almost a joke.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
No, I'll do it.
I'll do it because these people are crazy.
And in order for us to survive in their society, I'll play along with their dumb retraction rules.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I mean, it's disrespectful.
It's disrespectful to just even consider it.
And then to see the execution of it is astonishing.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I mean, that's a little bit old, but I didn't know it happened.
And it just was buried on banned.video for a good reason.
I just thought, like, well, well, Owen and him were complaining about how lawsuits are unfair.
Let's go ahead and peek in on this.
What a load of shit.
jordan holmes
Amazing.
dan friesen
So anyway, the globalists are cutting off the power.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
It's like a cheesy Star Trek analogy where Khan blows up the reactor and the Enterprise can't move.
I mean, it's that simple.
They're over the movie Aliens.
Come on, the 1980s, the second.
jordan holmes
Game four movies.
alex jones
Great movie.
And he goes, they just cut the power.
The guy starts panicking.
What do you mean they cut the power?
They're animals.
Oh, we're screwed.
Game over, man.
Game over.
They're blowing the generators.
What do the Imperial Walkers do?
jordan holmes
Oh, we got three movies.
alex jones
Target, main generator.
Maximum firepower.
You've taken out the generator, Lord Vader.
You may start your landing.
They're taking out the generator.
But we don't have one generator.
We got tens of thousands.
They've blown half of them up.
They're blowing the generators.
jordan holmes
Like in another movie.
alex jones
They're cutting the power supply.
jordan holmes
In like a different movie?
unidentified
Wind power and its current rate doesn't supply 5%.
alex jones
They can't even produce it.
Owen, I'm ranting.
unidentified
Go ahead.
owen shroyer
No, it's an epic rant.
alex jones
Oh, I mean, what the fuck, Copy?
What are you talking about?
dan friesen
I like that response from Owen.
Nah, it's an epic rant.
jordan holmes
It's an epic rant.
dan friesen
Epic rant, buddy.
unidentified
Wow.
dan friesen
Yeah, you're doing good, Alex.
jordan holmes
That is a genuine worshiping.
That is an epic rant, Alex.
dan friesen
I felt no passion in the epic rant declaration.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
So we have one last clip here, and I told you things would come full circle with the disgusting stuff at the beginning.
jordan holmes
Indeed.
dan friesen
And here is where that happens.
alex jones
So there's been incredible dirty tricks, incredible disinfo, incredible lies against anybody.
Trump's not perfect, but he was against World War III.
They got him.
Now they're going after Tucker.
They've gone after me.
Scott Ritter, famous case, all sorts of made-up attacks and lies.
None of it was true.
This is what happens when intelligence agencies come after you.
Scott Ritter is a former Marine intelligence officer who served the former Soviet Union implementing arms control agreements on the staff of General Norman Schwarzkopf during the Gulf War, where he played a critical role in the hunt for Iraq's gun missiles.
From 91 to 98, Mr. Ritter served as Chief Inspector of the United Nations in Iraq, leading the search for Iraq's prescribed weapons of mass destruction.
Mr. Ritter was a vocal critic.
The American decision to go to war in Iraq.
It was totally vindicated.
Millions of dead Iraqis.
His new book, Disarmament in the Time of Perestroika, Arms Control, the End of the Soviet Union, is his ninth.
ScottRitterExtra.com, warringpeace.fun.
Couldn't have a better time to have him on.
dan friesen
Oh, man.
I wonder what kind of dirty tricks were pulled against Scott Ritter.
Maybe I should Google this real fast.
Clickety-clickety, clickety-clickety.
Scott Ritter was arrested in 2009 after he was caught in a child sexual predator sting operation.
He solicited nude videos from a person online that he thought was 15 years old.
At trial, prosecutors claimed that this was the third time that Ritter had been caught in an underage online sex solicitation sting, which is not surprising.
Ritter had sent graphic video to this person that he believed was 15, including him naked and masturbating.
In April 2001, Ritter was caught in a sting where he thought he was talking to a minor online who he made plans to meet at a McDonald's.
He arrived at the McDonald's where the police were waiting, but he didn't end up getting any jail time for that or anything.
I believe the charges were dropped.
Former UN weapons inspectors get a warning on these kinds of things, I guess.
Then, in June 2001, a couple months later, he got caught again, this time trying to meet up with a minor at a Burger King.
Again, the police were there, and again, he didn't get in any serious trouble.
Ritter was convicted in the 2009 case and sentenced to five and a half years in prison.
He was paroled early and has been out of jail since 2014, but he is very clearly a habitual predator who has a history of seeking out minors online for sexual exploitation.
I mentioned Ritter in one of our 2004 episodes in the context that he'd been a figure saying that there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, and I failed to bring up this aspect of his character.
It slipped my mind to get into because I wasn't talking about Ritter specifically at the time.
It was in the context of narratives about David Kelly, and Ritter was a tertiary figure.
I apologize that I didn't bring that up when his name came up.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Now that we have him here on Alex's show, all of this is very relevant.
And this is what Alex is trying to present: are dirty tricks that were played against Ritter.
These weren't dirty tricks, they are multiple instances of Ritter attempting to abuse children.
Alex pretends that he's a champion and crusader out to protect the children, but here he has a convicted sex offender on his show, and all he can do is whitewash his past and his crimes.
And why?
Because Ritter is a staunch opponent of Ukraine in the context of the war against Russia.
That's his value to Alex, and he's an anti-Ukraine voice with a resume, including a UN weapons inspector.
jordan holmes
So he's going on InfoWars.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Keep that in mind.
Anytime you hear Alex scream about how all his enemies are pedophiles and how he wants to ban trans people from any public existence in order to save the children, he's happy to pall around with and defend any child abuser who agrees with him because he's not sincere about this issue.
In the recent past, Ritter has been welcomed a little bit into communities that like to brand themselves as like isolationist, but are really kind of about something else.
jordan holmes
Crypto Nazis?
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
dan friesen
He was scheduled to speak at the Rage Against the War Machine rally back in February, which was just a collection of shitheads.
Jimmy Dore, Ron Paul, Tulsi Gabber, Gerald Salenti, Max Blumenthal, Jackson Hinkle, and sex pest Scott Ritter.
People started pointing out who Ritter was, so he got the boot from that speaking engagement.
But apparently, Alex has no problem welcoming him with open arms and pretending that he was actually the victim in all of those cases.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
What a piece of shit.
So anyway, I don't care what he has to say about how we're about to have a nuclear war.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
Which is basically the rest of the episode.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I believe that.
dan friesen
And I did listen to it all just in case because I was like, is this going to come up?
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
Is this like something fairly important to bring up?
jordan holmes
I mean, the first part of the episode compared to the last part of the episode, it seems like it's a relevant thing.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, no.
Doesn't come up.
jordan holmes
That makes me so sad.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
It's so sad.
I really like.
This is a dark world.
This is a dark world.
Why don't we live in the good one?
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't know.
I mean, look, here's the issue, though.
You know, we have this day where it's like Tucker got fired and everybody, you know, it's all fun.
But then, yeah, you know, there's darkness here.
jordan holmes
You just can't, we can't have a clean win, you know?
We can't have one of those days.
dan friesen
An episode where it's really just Alex gets drunk because Tucker got fired and throws hatchets.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
Why can't it be that?
jordan holmes
Why?
It seems like the easiest and the most fun thing to do to celebrate the death of your friend's show.
dan friesen
No, he's got to talk to Scott Ritter.
jordan holmes
God damn it.
That sucks.
dan friesen
Does.
jordan holmes
Oh, there's so many different things you could do.
Anything.
You could do anything other than talk to Scott Ritter.
dan friesen
I imagine there are other people who could probably say similar things to him.
jordan holmes
Hey, fucking if it, I'll say that there's a nuclear war coming.
Take a fucking recording of this shit.
dan friesen
And you know what?
Here's the deal.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think that it would have been entirely possible for Alex to just have Scott Rader on and not say that there were a bunch of dirty tricks played against him.
jordan holmes
Also possible.
dan friesen
I think that there's a world where Alex could just pretend all of that stuff isn't real.
Instead, what he's doing is providing cover and denying the crimes of a monster predator.
jordan holmes
Just unreal.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
That's to be expected.
I mean, no, no, it is to be expected.
dan friesen
I mean, you go back in the history in the 2004 stuff and you see so many of these other, like, these people who are, whether it's a, you know, a child abuser, a murderer, somebody who's deputized themselves to harass immigrants, Nazis, be they celebrities, fathers or not.
You have all these people that Alex is carrying water for and covering for.
It's no different, really.
It's just his show is so much about calling everybody else child predators.
And it's just kind of glaring.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So anyway, this sucks.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
You know, I just want, I know it's unreasonable, right?
It's like driving home and wishing for every light to be green on the way home.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
Obviously, it's unreasonable, but I would have liked it.
This was going pretty well.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It was going pretty well.
There were a lot of, there was some stuff at the beginning, but it was going pretty smoothly.
And then bam.
Ooh, just hit with that big red light.
dan friesen
Can't take the high without the come down.
Can't take the rough without the smooth.
It's vice versa.
jordan holmes
Can't drive home without getting stopped by a train.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
So we'll be back and hopefully Pleasanty.
Yeah.
Pleasanty.
jordan holmes
Pleasanty-er.
dan friesen
But until then, we have a website.
jordan holmes
Indeed, we do at SnowledgeFight.com.
dan friesen
Yep.
We're also on Twitter.
jordan holmes
We are on Twitter.
It's at KnowledgeUnderscore Fight.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
We'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX.
alex jones
Oh, you know what?
jordan holmes
And now here comes the sex robots.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
jordan holmes
I love your work.
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