Today, Dan and Jordan reunite to break down a little day in Alex's past. In this installment, weird complaints about Bush's 2004 State of the Union address fly freely, and Alex interviews a guy with a hard-to-spell last name and a dicey track record.
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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys. | |
| Knowledge fight. | ||
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Dan and George. | |
| Knowledge fight. | ||
| I need money. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Stop it. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
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It's time to pray. | |
| I love you. | ||
| Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan. | ||
| We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, never forget to turn on the headphone amp, and talk about Alex Jones a little bit. | ||
| Yes, indeed we are, Dan. | ||
| You may have heard laughing over the theme song, and that was because I had forgotten to turn on the headphone amp, and so Jordan was mocking how I'd forgotten how to podcast. | ||
| I was shocked. | ||
| I didn't realize what was going on, and then all of a sudden it was boom, and I was like, ah! | ||
| Yeah, I was a little shocked myself. | ||
| Shocked at my rustiness. | ||
| Shocked! | ||
| Shocked! | ||
| Dan! | ||
| Jordan! | ||
| Jordan! | ||
| What's your bright spot, buddy? | ||
| My bright spot today is actually the cause of that rustiness. | ||
| I'd like to thank you for filling in, doing a fun interview with Mike Rothschild. | ||
| Delight. | ||
| I mentioned, I think on Monday's episode, that I had a speaking engagement, which led to a little bit of, you know, tension, a little bit of push and pull with the schedule. | ||
| I was talking to my dad about this, and I'm overwhelmed, kind of, but it's not for any good reason. | ||
| It's just because I have two things that I needed to do this month. | ||
| You know, basically. | ||
| Three live shows at the beginning of the month, and obviously that was a lot of prep and all that stuff. | ||
| And then my bright spot for today was I was invited to go to Florida Southern College in Lakeland, in lovely, lovely Lakeland, and give a little talk there for the students. | ||
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So cool. | |
| And it was just a blast. | ||
| So I'd like to thank all of the folks who were instrumental in... | ||
| Bringing me down there, I guess it was just one guy. | ||
| It was just a guy. | ||
| Who was cool as hell. | ||
| It was cool. | ||
| He was great. | ||
| The class was great. | ||
| The talk was a lot of fun. | ||
| Took me back in many ways to my college experience. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because, look, a number of the students were engaged, and they had questions, and it was great, but some of them were looking at me with dead eyes. | ||
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Yeah! | |
| And I remember that. | ||
| And I was like, you guys are my people. | ||
| I remember that. | ||
| When it was someone... | ||
| Someone was given a talk, and maybe you get extra credit to go, and you just go, and you're just waiting to maybe go get high later. | ||
| Or you are really high now. | ||
| Could be. | ||
| Could be. | ||
| But yeah, it was a delight. | ||
| I am not super well-versed in these things. | ||
| There's only been a few instances of me giving these talks. | ||
| Can't be great instantly with everything. | ||
| You're not Ken Griffey Jr. | ||
| There's an adjustment. | ||
| And we talked about it a little bit, I think even on the show. | ||
| That when you come from stand-up, there's a muscle memory and an expectation that your body has that people will laugh at the things you say when you're in front of a crowd, and you don't get that from a college class often. | ||
| It's a class. | ||
| Yeah, and so you automatically have to re-teach your body to not think you're failing and you're drowning up there. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| This time was not such a big issue with that, because I opened... | ||
| By making fun of my own speech. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And saying that I didn't want to give it. | ||
| So you opened with the joke. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But there was a little bit of sincerity. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure, sure. | ||
| And I was basically told folks, you know, you can interrupt me at any time if you have any questions. | ||
| Immediately a hand went up. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| I was like... | ||
| Can I actually interrupt you at any time? | ||
| Fuck, yes. | ||
| And so most of the talk actually ended up just being a question and answer kind of thing, back and forth with the students, which I think is probably a lot more useful. | ||
| Well, any kind of interactivity is more like a comedy show than otherwise. | ||
| I understand that the idea, of course, is I talk and you guys don't talk. | ||
| That's the way it works. | ||
| But at the same time, there is an interplay that is required for the performance to work. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| There has to be a receptive party, as it were. | ||
| And that's a huge problem that I have with the idea of even giving these speeches. | ||
| I don't know what is going to be useful to these people. | ||
| I know a ton about Alex Jones, and I could tell them all kinds of things about Alex Jones, but to what level is that useful to a freshman or a sophomore in college? | ||
| I'm not sure, but if they have questions around various topics, maybe there's something that I can draw from my experience that would be helpful to them. | ||
| And so I found that to be a lot more... | ||
| Fulfilling and I think useful for them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, when I was in college, I took a class about Emily Dickinson, taught by one of the preeminent scholars of Emily Dickinson. | ||
| Was it Bemily Dickinson? | ||
| Well, they didn't leave the house much. | ||
| But it was like, there was two... | ||
| You can't express to a group of people, of students who are... | ||
| Halfway apathetic at best, you know? | ||
| Like, the vast breadth of knowledge you have about a single subject. | ||
| Like, what are you supposed to do? | ||
| Yeah, there were two big moments that really stuck out like that. | ||
| And one was, like, we're a ways into the talk. | ||
| Somebody had just asked a question, and I explained Alex's changing story about his view of the Ukraine invasion. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And then the next question, somebody raised their hand and they're like, I don't really know who Alex Jones is. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I was like, alright. | ||
| Let's start from one. | ||
| That was fun. | ||
| The second moment that stuck out was there was a guy who I couldn't tell if he wanted to fight or not. | ||
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Sure, sure. | |
| There was a little bit of like, maybe I'm going to fight. | ||
| Conflict is there. | ||
| But it was just in the eyes. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| There was nothing else threatening about him. | ||
| And so he asked two questions, and the second one was about Bohemian Grove. | ||
| And as soon as he said that, I was like, I gotta tell everybody the entire story of Bohemian Grove now, because these people have no idea. | ||
| Alright, let's start with Moloch, I guess. | ||
| That's where we're gonna begin. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| But that was fun. | ||
| That was fun. | ||
| It gave me a chance to really distill down, like, what is the story? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Fucking old, powerful people do weird stuff. | ||
| But as I'm telling this story, I'm like, ah, Nixon said something about Bohemian Girl once. | ||
| Nope, can't say that. | ||
| Don't do that. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
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Cut it off. | |
| Cut it off. | ||
| Cut it off right there. | ||
| If it's a Nixon quote, then don't do it. | ||
| Or was it Reagan? | ||
| I can't remember. | ||
| I think it was Nixon. | ||
| It was Nixon. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So, good times. | ||
| I wanted to also say, I don't really necessarily want to go through formal channels for anything, but if anybody out there is listening who... | ||
| I think it was... | ||
| I don't know when it happened, but there was a sweet spot, and here's what happened to us, right? | ||
| There was a point, nobody wanted us. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Nobody wanted us, right? | ||
| And then... | ||
| Maybe rightfully so. | ||
| No, rightfully so. | ||
| Agreed. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then there was a point where people sometimes wanted us, and then we skipped over the part where people want us and went straight to people being like, oh, well, we can't get them. | ||
| Like, I don't know what happened. | ||
| I don't think we have given off the idea of you can't get us ever. | ||
| No. | ||
| We don't have an agent. | ||
| We don't have a man. | ||
| We barely have a website. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| Maybe that's the problem. | ||
| It's definitely the problem. | ||
| I think it's because we ended up being on, like, CNN and stuff. | ||
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Sure, sure. | |
| And we were, like, involved with the lawsuits and stuff. | ||
| So maybe people think, like, oh, it's rarifying air. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure, sure. | ||
| We got stelter canceled. | ||
| I mean, yeah. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know how to tell you. | ||
| It started out as a joke, you know? | ||
| 2017, Dan, eventually you will be the world's foremost expert on Alex Jones as a joke, and then here we are. | ||
| You know, like, there's no... | ||
| It started from a joke, and now here we are. | ||
| It's a song, right? | ||
| Something like that. | ||
| So, anyway, yeah, I'll go do stuff. | ||
| I'll speak digitally to classes if people want. | ||
| But yeah, other than that too, just the bright spot of like, it's nice. | ||
| Florida, you know. | ||
| The weather? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I mean, the 70s, real nice down there in Lakeland. | ||
| And then Lakeland was a lovely little town. | ||
| Not little, little, but, you know, compared to maybe Miami. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| Bienvenido. | ||
| No one said Bienvenido to Lakeland. | ||
| Nobody said Bienvenido. | ||
| But I got to see a little lizard scamper around. | ||
| I wanted to chase it, but I didn't have time. | ||
| Can't chase lizards. | ||
| There was a bunch of swans that apparently the queen sent over, and I couldn't get to the bottom of that relationship. | ||
| That's not okay. | ||
| Yeah, and she's dead, so who sent in the swans? | ||
| I don't know what... | ||
| Did she leave in her will, like, send Lakeland swans in perpetuity? | ||
| I guess. | ||
| Is that a thing you can do? | ||
| I assume if you're the queen, you can say perpetuity. | ||
| And what did Lakeland do to deserve these swans? | ||
| They just had a spot that needed swans. | ||
| They do a solid for the crown? | ||
| It's very weird. | ||
| I'm not sure what's going on there. | ||
| Oh, it must have been they were royalists during the American independence. | ||
| Florida didn't exist. | ||
| See? | ||
| That's where they all went. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know. | ||
| Maybe this will be the subject of our next miniseries. | ||
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Getting to the bottom of these fucking swans. | |
| Anyway, what's your bright spot? | ||
| My bright spot, Dan, I'm going to tell you this. | ||
| This is something I never thought ever in my life would happen. | ||
| Not even compared to becoming an expert on Alex Jones, as you have done. | ||
| I'm talking about, I made it... | ||
| To my first wedding anniversary, Dan. | ||
| Yes, congratulations! | ||
| I had my first wedding anniversary! | ||
| Just a few days ago. | ||
| It was incredible! | ||
| It was great! | ||
| It was a good anniversary. | ||
| We went out to the Girl and the Goat, which is one of the best restaurants in Chicago. | ||
| Michelin-level stuff, we're talking. | ||
| Oh, I mean, beard award shit. | ||
| Too much goat, though. | ||
| The whole thing. | ||
| No, the goat. | ||
| Oh, the goat. | ||
| Everyone listening, Jordan's eyes just got real wide. | ||
| You don't even know. | ||
| I had something called goat belly. | ||
| And I was like, I don't know if I... | ||
| What's fun about that? | ||
| It's a little, like an amuse-bouche, but it's a tin can? | ||
| It's kind of... | ||
| No, it's like perfectly cooked pork belly. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But it's goat. | ||
| But because it says goat belly, my wife wasn't like, oh, it's just like a perfectly cooked pork belly. | ||
| She was like, did they cut off the whole belly and grill it? | ||
| What are we going to be eating? | ||
| Yeah, just a sack full of... | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Like I said, tin cans. | ||
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Yeah, absolutely. | |
| Classic joke of goats eating anything. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Incredibly delicious. | ||
| It was fantastic. | ||
| And then we both went to bed at like 9 because it was on a weeknight. | ||
| Love it. | ||
| And that's an anniversary to me. | ||
| That's perfect. | ||
| I loved it. | ||
| This is one of the advantages of not getting married at like 22, 23 or something. | ||
| You have real low, like chill expectations. | ||
| Not low expectations, but chill expectations. | ||
| Well, here's the cool thing, right? | ||
| Since we got married in a courthouse, you know... | ||
| I'm never going to be like, oh, this was a great day, but my best day was my wedding day. | ||
| No, absolutely not. | ||
| Every day is better than my wedding day with my wife. | ||
| Because you're not at a courthouse. | ||
| Because we're not at a fucking courthouse. | ||
| Yeah, until you spend your anniversary facing charges. | ||
| Well, I should say that'll be our 10th wedding anniversary, doing 10 years in prison. | ||
| Did you... | ||
| Did you have a slice of wedding cake in the freezer? | ||
| Did you do that thing? | ||
| No, we didn't even have a wedding cake. | ||
| Should I have a wedding goat? | ||
| Oh, when we got out of the courthouse, we went to lunch with my wife's moms, and we were not dressed particularly well. | ||
| I was wearing my... | ||
| Quote, nice jeans. | ||
| That's what we got married in, that kind of stuff. | ||
| And it was the four of us eating together, and all of a sudden, from across the room, some group of women were all hanging out talking, and one of them just stood up and was like, did you get married today? | ||
| I noticed your jeans are nice. | ||
| I know! | ||
| It was like... | ||
| If somebody could set their expectations low enough that they look at me wearing that and they're like, well, obviously, that's the wedding day. | ||
| I think we all know what's going on. | ||
| No cake. | ||
| No cake. | ||
| So, Jordan, today, also no cake. | ||
| Oh, no! | ||
| But I decided, here's the deal. | ||
| I... | ||
| You know, I had this whirlwind Florida and back trip. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And then I got back and I felt a little bit under the weather. | ||
| Thought it was COVID. | ||
| It's not. | ||
| Good news. | ||
| I can see the proof on your desk right now. | ||
| That's one of them. | ||
| Yeah, one of the tests. | ||
| So, I was kind of a little bit out of it for a bit. | ||
| And I decided, alright, here's what I'm going to do. | ||
| We're going to cover Alex going back on Steven Crowder's show. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Because they talked a lot of nonsense. | ||
| There's a video of him with a bloody nose. | ||
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There we go. | |
| Hey, what fun. | ||
| What fun! | ||
| It's not fun. | ||
| I hate that show. | ||
| I hate that show. | ||
| Is it because there's no talent involved? | ||
| And it's not funny. | ||
| But they're trying to be funny. | ||
| Which is the worst. | ||
| It's really frustrating because you have to try and parse out, like, what are they saying for comedic effect? | ||
| What are they saying as if they actually mean it? | ||
| Who cares, also, is another thing you've got to parse out. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And then there's another thing that just bothered me to no end, and that was, like, Stephen Crowder kept saying, like, we have our sources up so you know that all the information that we've got is fully correct. | ||
| That's like, well... | ||
| You have some sources here, but you're not sourcing Alex's claims, that's for sure. | ||
| No. | ||
| So that really infuriated me. | ||
| And so I went through preparing an episode about it, and then I threw my hands up and said, fuck this, I don't even want to talk about it. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| No point. | ||
| So we're back in 2004. | ||
| Good. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Good. | ||
| So we're talking about January 26th, 2004, which is the Monday. | ||
| So we have a little bit of jumping days. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Still. | ||
| No conversation about the scream. | ||
| Here's something that I want to talk about. | ||
| He does call Howard Dean a socialist, though. | ||
| Oh, well, that's fair. | ||
| Then we've begun. | ||
| And he hates him. | ||
| Well, of course. | ||
| But no conversation about the scream. | ||
| Question I have. | ||
| And here's something that may also be a theory that I'm working on. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| I think... | ||
| Alex will be disappointed that we are not falling for his I have a bloody nose bait. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think so. | ||
| He might not ever know, but in spirit, I think he would be bummed out. | ||
| I think so. | ||
| I think this is a classic move for us as people are being like, oh, he's doing something huge. | ||
| And we're being like, should we cover it? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| And then we just go back into 2004. | ||
| That's how we live! | ||
| It's not interesting enough. | ||
| But then also... | ||
| A lot of the stuff that I was watching on that Crowder interview before I decided I'd had enough was they're talking about Lindsey Graham a lot because Lindsey Graham had said some things about Ukraine. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And apparently Steven Crowder has a segment called Insane in the Ukraine. | ||
| That's fun. | ||
| That's good work. | ||
| No, it's not. | ||
| No, it is not. | ||
| Alex wouldn't stop talking about how he's dating Lindsey Graham. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| I just, I have no patience. | ||
| I can't do it. | ||
| I don't understand. | ||
| Can't do it. | ||
| I don't understand. | ||
| I can't do people trying to be funny who are absolutely not funny, who are confident that they are funny. | ||
| It's infuriating. | ||
| Also, a lot of talk about how big it is that he's on Rumble. | ||
| And how he's taking over Rumble. | ||
| I can't. | ||
| And how he's number one in the world. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| I don't know what Rumble's paying him. | ||
| I'm so grateful you are not covering that. | ||
| I want to know if the bath party is back in power. | ||
| I think they are. | ||
| It doesn't come up, but I think they are. | ||
| This couple minutes talking about it is even too much. | ||
| So let's get to this, but first, Jordan, let's say hello to some new wonks. | ||
| That's a great idea. | ||
| So first, Grandmaster Squatch and the sneaky ham-thieving snakes. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| Thank you very much. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Next, my debt is freakishly large. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| Thank you very much. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Next, Steel City Juice from Brett, who always needs money. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Next, Hannah the Trans Dragon Moth. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| Thank you very much! | ||
| Thank you! | ||
| And Rattlesnake Dave sold his chopper for this. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| Thank you very much! | ||
| And we got a technocrat in the mix, Jordan. | ||
| So, thank you so much to The Globalist's Honeycomb Hideout. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a technocrat. | ||
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| Four stars. | ||
| Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. | ||
| Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. | ||
| Daddy Shark. | ||
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Bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp. | |
| Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. | ||
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He's a loser little titty baby. | |
| I don't want to hate black people. | ||
| I renounce Jesus Christ. | ||
| So, to give some context of where we are in January, the Democratic primaries are in full swing. | ||
| Saddam has been captured. | ||
| Naturally. | ||
| And Alex is... | ||
| Mad about abortion, kind of. | ||
| Yeah, that makes sense. | ||
| And obsessed with Building 7. He's talking a lot about Building 7. Okay. | ||
| Because he has discovered a year-old clip of Larry Silverstein, the guy who was leasing out, or had the rights to lease the building for like... | ||
| He ended up taking quite a hit on 9-11 and then sued for insurance claims on it. | ||
| But anyway, he was on a PBS documentary and Alex found it a year later and that's the biggest thing in the world. | ||
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Gotcha. | |
| So he's obsessed with Building 7. Sure. | ||
| Some of this will come into play. | ||
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But... | |
| We start here with Alex finding a new weapons inspector who has some things to say. | ||
| And we know from going back over this time... | ||
| Alex made a really big deal out of the death of David Kelly. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| The weapons inspector who died from suicide and Alex made a gigantic disgraceful conspiracy out of that he was killed to silence him about concerns about weapons of mass destruction. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Which is a bunch of nonsense and we went over. | ||
| But it turns out there's another weapons inspector also named David. | ||
| That Alex has some concerns about. | ||
| Saddam's weapons of mass destruction never existed, says Chief American Arms Inspector. | ||
| Now, folks, this stinks to high heaven. | ||
| David Kaye was all over television before the war, during the war, after the war, saying Saddam does have weapons of mass destruction, we've got to attack him. | ||
| He was the big hawk, you know, the Chief American Inspector. | ||
| And, well, then he's now saying that he was lied to and it wasn't true. | ||
| Now, Dr. David Kelly, who was also the former head of the Bioweapons Lab Bioport, he was also the chief British inspector. | ||
| He said he was lied to and that it was a fraud, and then he was seen, according to the Times of London and other publications, with five guys in black uniforms standing around him. | ||
| As the police arrived, they disappeared, and there was his body with the wrists slit and the undigested pills in his belly. | ||
| And no blood at the scene. | ||
| So, man, I wonder if David Kay has taken out a large insurance policy. | ||
| life insurance policy might be good for his family if he does that. | ||
| So, first important thing to point out here is that Alex has fabricated a completely new story about David Kelly's death, which has no connection to reality and also seems fairly disconnected from his own past conspiracy narrative. | ||
| Just off the top of my mind, he's added the detail about five men in black uniforms standing Who the fuck- Gave you that information. | ||
| I mean, that's the most suspicious information that you could have, if it were true. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| There's an investigation where there's like, oh yeah, five people dressed in what is night camouflage, more or less. | ||
| Five literal ninjas appeared and then disappeared. | ||
| As soon as the police showed up. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Certainly it would be worth noting. | ||
| Did the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles fight them off? | ||
| It was absent in his earlier report. | ||
| Well, fair enough. | ||
| Alex is adding stuff like this to the story to make the idea of doubting that it was a murder seem silly to the audience, because he'd rather mock the idea of believing something than have to argue against it. | ||
| And that's because if he had to operate just on the facts, his case would fall apart almost immediately. | ||
| As for David Kaye, this is an interesting situation, but Alex is also full of shit. | ||
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Sure. | |
| Around this time, in January 2004, David Kaye, a weapons inspector and member of the Iraq Survey Group, was coming out publicly and saying he did not believe that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction and that he did not believe they would be found. | ||
| Correctly. | ||
| He would go on to testify before the Senate Armed Services Committee on January 28th and say, Let me begin by saying we were almost all wrong, and I certainly include myself here. | ||
| Kay believed there was a fundamental intelligence failure, but not a direct effort to lie. | ||
| Or exert specific political pressure. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| You can disagree with that or not, but what I'm talking about here is Kay's state of mind, because that's what Alex is making claims about. | ||
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Right. | |
| So whether or not you believe that there was a lie, that's a different conversation, and you may have a different point than what David Kay is coming at this from. | ||
| What's fun is, I don't need to talk. | ||
| In the lead up to the war. | ||
| Everybody knows. | ||
| True. | ||
| And I think it would be difficult to blend what conversation you or even I would want to bring into it with discussing where Alex is coming at it from. | ||
| Because it's completely sort of separate. | ||
| No, what I think is great is discussing the Iraq war in less than 20 minutes and trying to really explain all of it to people. | ||
| It wasn't that complicated. | ||
| Here's how you do it best. | ||
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Bye! | |
| Now we're there! | ||
| Yep, exactly. | ||
| Jump cut. | ||
| So in the lead-up to the war, Kay was a voice that said he didn't doubt Saddam would have aspirations for weapons of mass destruction, and he thought he probably did, but he was far from the biggest supporter in the media. | ||
| He did have some things that he had, some assessments that he had made were used by people like Colin Powell and what have you, so you can trace kind of an indirect direct line, but in terms of being the biggest cheerleader in the media, I'm not sure if that's a fair assessment. | ||
| One of the biggest exposures he had was likely after another former weapons inspector, Scott Ritter, returned from a trip to Iraq and declared that there, quote, is no hard evidence whatsoever that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, and that, quote, I'm not saying Iraq doesn't pose a threat. | ||
| I'm saying that it has not been demonstrated to pose a threat worthy of war. | ||
| So Scott Ritter came back from Iraq, and he was roundly criticized for these comments that he made. | ||
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War is good! | |
| Kay was one of the experts that media outlets would get comments from about Ritter whenever they were doing these stories. | ||
| And generally, they were mildly critical, expressing that he didn't know where Ritter was getting his information from. | ||
| I don't know what this assessment is based on. | ||
| I mean, they can't share where they're getting the information from anyway, so it's like, yeah. | ||
| Anyway, David Kay was not... | ||
| The person who is most instrumental in the weapons of mass destruction fraud, and he wasn't accusing anyone of lying at this point in 2004. | ||
| Alex just needs those two perceptions to be accepted by his audience so he can paint a narrative out of them that's easier than just doing the work that he's supposed to be doing. | ||
| Work is hard. | ||
| He's presenting himself as having done that, though. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Which is weird. | ||
| It is nice to go back in time and really hear him make up a bunch of bullshit, you know, and then have people be like, Alex Jones was right. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, there were five ninjas outside David Kelly. | ||
| Everyone knows there were four ninjas. | ||
| Everyone knows that. | ||
| It's in the white papers. | ||
| The Foot Clan can't afford five? | ||
| Right. | ||
| They work on a buddy system. | ||
| You don't have odd numbers. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| It's in their guidebook, which Soros funded, which I found on 4chan, like Alex does with Antifa. | ||
| Anyway, I told you Alex is obsessed with Building 7 stuff. | ||
| And so this rears its head here. | ||
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Okay. | |
| This is admitted in plain public view that Building 7 wasn't hit by an aircraft, that it caught fire later that afternoon and collapsed at 4.35 Eastern time, and the owner of it, Silverstein, gets on PBS and says, we made the decision to blow it up. | ||
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Well, I agree. | |
| the mass media that put out the propaganda has been swallowed by the American people since most of the American people who don't want to investigate at all who don't want to be disturbed out of their comfort zone don't want to do the investigative work Why would I know this? | ||
| Any news reporter out there can go to PrisonPlanet.com or Infowars.com, look at all the evidence. | ||
| There's no debating it. | ||
| They blew up Building 7. How'd they get the explosives in if they made the decision while it was on fire? | ||
| Why hasn't it been a bigger news item that they did demolish it? | ||
| This is hidden in plain view. | ||
| I don't think any reporter or researcher has any business going to Prison Planet unless they're researching Prison Planet itself. | ||
| It's the only reason to go there for information. | ||
| And even then, you're taking anything you read with... | ||
| I mean, why would you... | ||
| Almost the least reliable source about Prison Planet is Prison Planet. | ||
| Yeah, you need to take everything with a goat-belly-sized grain of salt. | ||
| So, like I said, I mentioned on a previous episode that Alex is getting deep into the Building 7 stuff in 2004 here, and this is really the only thing that's behind it. | ||
| It's all just about this. | ||
| Larry Silverstein was interviewed in a PBS documentary called America Rebuilds a Year at Ground Zero. | ||
| Unsurprisingly, given the narrative... | ||
| I was on PBS a year and a half ago, you dick. | ||
| In conservative terms, though, it should take around a year and a half to get to a PBS documentary. | ||
| It's like they're not watching PBS. | ||
| True. | ||
| And nobody's telling them about PBS. | ||
| Much like right-thinking people aren't going to Prison Planet. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Alex isn't watching PBS. | ||
| Prison Planet isn't going to PBS. | ||
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No. | |
| Also, Silverstein didn't say that he decided to blow up the building. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| He said, quote, I remember getting a call from the fire department commander telling me that they were not sure they were going to be able to contain the fire. | ||
| And I said, you know, we've had such a terrible loss. | ||
| And they made the decision to pull and then we watched the building collapse. | ||
| His spokesperson has been very clear in statements that when Silverstein said pull, he was talking about pulling the firefighters out of the building and leaving it to burn. | ||
| He was deeply concerned for the safety of the firefighters in there, and given that two other skyscrapers had collapsed that day, and there was a whole lot of related chaos going on, his concerns were very understandable. | ||
| This makes total sense. | ||
| So Alex has taken this quote from PBS, which he didn't know about for like a year, then misrepresented it into being Silverstein saying that they decided to take the building down. | ||
| Now that this framework is established, Alex is further embellishing this to claim that Silverstein said that they were going to blow the building up. | ||
| Once that idea is firmly established in the audience's mind, Alex poses the question, when did they have time to plant the explosives after the attack? | ||
| This line of questioning is entirely built on eliciting an answer in the listener's mind that it would be impossible to plant the explosives after the attack, so they must have planted them previously. | ||
| If they planted them previously, then they must have had foreknowledge. | ||
| If they had foreknowledge, then the whole attack was probably an inside job. | ||
| You can see how this path is built by Alex for his audience to go down, where he lays out a bullshit narrative based on lies and misrepresentations of primary sources. | ||
| at this point in the present day, but in 2004, it seems like he has the finesse to lay some of this stuff out suggestively. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Anyone can tell you that a conclusion that you reach on your own is more meaningful to you than one that someone just gives you, which is the foundation of a lot of teaching. | |
| Sure. | ||
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So I really think that Alex is trying to get the listeners to reach the conclusion he's decided for them, but they want them to get there on their own, make it feel like they've worked it out for themselves. | |
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| And be like, aha, this is my conclusion, not Alex's. | ||
| Right. | ||
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I don't see this kind of thing from him at all in the present day episodes. | |
| And I think it's because he's lazy and he's spoiled by having a completely captured audience. | ||
| But it's interesting to see here. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Almost Socratic of Alex? | ||
| Yeah, in a certain sense. | ||
| I mean, it is a large number of questions to avoid the one question that the answer we do know to, which is that there weren't any explosives. | ||
| But when did they put them in? | ||
| See, that's what I'm saying. | ||
| If there weren't any, when did they take them out? | ||
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Right, right, right. | |
| It's like, when did you stop beating your wife? | ||
| It's that question of like, but no, there was no... | ||
| There was none of that. | ||
| I don't understand. | ||
| Yeah, that sort of trap-ish question is what a ton of conspiracy stuff is built on. | ||
| And when you take the time to recognize some of that, it kind of... | ||
| Makes a lot of it seem pretty silly. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, it is a game of putting a bunch of questions, like a moat, around the one question you know the answer to. | ||
| And just pretending that, like, as long as you can't cross the moat, whatever. | ||
| Yeah, good luck. | ||
| Everything I say is true. | ||
| So you might have noticed a smug other voice in there. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Talking about how all these people who don't believe, they don't even want to do any analysis or research. | ||
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Sure. | |
| They don't want to go. | ||
| a prison planet and see these uh out of context videos and what have you i got a job true this guy might too maybe his job is calling into alex's show because this is just a caller uh-oh um but there's another point here about silverstein that a caller makes i think it's the same caller and uh this is wild okay uh let's go ahead and talk to michael in washington i apologize it's a different Michael, you're on the air. | ||
| Go ahead. | ||
| Hello, Alex. | ||
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How are you doing? | |
| Fine, sir. | ||
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Hey, I checked out some more Silverstein stuff. | |
| Do you know about his lawsuits? | ||
| Yes. | ||
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Do you? | |
| Why don't you go over it for folks? | ||
| No, you don't. | ||
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I sent them to you, but Harry P. Miller was a Vietnam vet. | |
| I don't know if he's still alive, but he's 70 years old now. | ||
| He's a Vietnam vet, and Harry Miller in 1989 sued Larry Silverstein. | ||
| Because he owns a strip club in New York called Runaway 69. In his suit... | ||
| What? | ||
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Harry Miller... | |
| Runway 69. Okay. | ||
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He filed $49 million in damages against Larry Silverstein, the alleged owner of Runaway 69, a Queens dance club. | |
| WNBC-TV, Channel 4 television station, the city of New York, presidents Bill Clinton and Richard Nixon, Ross Perot, John Vesey... | ||
| That's a big lawsuit. | ||
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The agreement of Miller's complaint is that the named defendants committed or aided others in committing illegal acts, including assassinations over a 25-year period, beginning amidst the Vietnam War, in furtherance of a conspiracy to distribute Laotian heroin. | |
| He also asserted that the defendants are still engaged in heroin trafficking today. | ||
| They are still up to their eyeballs in Laotian heroin. | ||
| I mean, is that a thing? | ||
| Does Laos have a large poppy seed thing? | ||
| Like, now I want to know if Laos is a huge heroin exporter. | ||
| I haven't heard of Laotian heroin. | ||
| But see, that's how the conspiracy gets you. | ||
| I mean, yes! | ||
| It's like, what? | ||
| There's Laotian heroin? | ||
| It's so specific. | ||
| The presidents that are named are not contiguous. | ||
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Nope. | |
| So that seems like a strange choice. | ||
| Some of them dip in and out, you know. | ||
| Ross Perot. | ||
| Ross Perot was always there. | ||
| Colin Powell. | ||
| Colin Powell was always there. | ||
| The city of New York. | ||
| I mean, all of these... | ||
| I'm not saying all of these people don't have something coming to them. | ||
| I'm just saying that this ain't the way. | ||
| Political assassinations over 25 years in furtherance of their Laotian heroin smuggling operation. | ||
| That's the thing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Wouldn't we... | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Wouldn't we have seen a large production of Laotian heroin? | ||
| A larger production of Laotian heroin in comparison to other heroin producers because they have the backing of this secret... | ||
| I would also think that it would have seeped into pop culture a little bit more. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The idea of, like, Laos being associated with the good heroin. | ||
| How about we do this, okay? | ||
| If Reagan invented crack and put it in the inner city, then clearly we would know about... | ||
| Reagan and company creating Laotian heroin. | ||
| This is Nixon, my man. | ||
| Nixon and company creating Laotian heroin. | ||
| You didn't have a problem getting Nixon and Reagan mixed up, apparently. | ||
| Monsters are tough. | ||
| So yeah, this lawsuit got thrown out. | ||
| Yeah, I imagine so. | ||
| I imagine so. | ||
| Did we need to put that button on there? | ||
| Dude tried to appeal that getting thrown out, and they said, no. | ||
| Oh, they almost. | ||
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Denied. | |
| Next time, buddy. | ||
| Next time. | ||
| Because that lawsuit was cuckoo. | ||
| But your instincts are pretty sharp there, with the guy saying, Alex, do you know about this? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If he says, why don't you tell them about it, that means he doesn't know about it. | ||
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Yep. | |
| Because he loves sounding smart. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| And he loves talking. | ||
| That's his two favorite things. | ||
| If he passes up those opportunities, then... | ||
| He did it fairly smooth. | ||
| He didn't do it the way that you would obviously do it for a bit. | ||
| He didn't do the like, yes, but you go ahead and explain to everybody all about it. | ||
| That kind of thing. | ||
| I think he got the sense that this guy also wanted to talk. | ||
| That's kind of the thing. | ||
| He was like, oh, well, I'll just let this guy do what he wanted to do in the first place. | ||
| This could be like a sandwich break kind of thing. | ||
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Totally. | |
| You could easily play it off as that. | ||
| But I think he had no idea what this guy was talking about. | ||
| No clue. | ||
| This shit is crazy. | ||
| There's no way you could know what he was talking about. | ||
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No. | |
| No way. | ||
| No way. | ||
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Unless... | |
| I mean, you have to be deep in the weeds. | ||
| You have to be so deep in the weeds. | ||
| More than Alex is. | ||
| Yeah, and he's too busy for that, because look at this shit. | ||
| Listen to how much he's doing. | ||
| All right. | ||
| I've done over 1,300 radio interviews in the last, I don't know, 27, 28 months since September 11th. | ||
| Have you been counted? | ||
| I did four interviews yesterday. | ||
| Six hours of it. | ||
| I was on WLW, you name it. | ||
| And I'm not bragging, ooh, I'm on radio stations. | ||
| I wish I could go on the air like Peter Jennings and reach 25 million people at a swing. | ||
| Instead, I go around beating my brains out station by station, reaching folks. | ||
| I was also on another big blowtorch covering the tri-state area based in Delaware, WGMD 92.7. | ||
| I do love calling stations a blowtorch. | ||
| Is that a thing? | ||
| Alex does it all the time. | ||
| I don't know if it is a thing. | ||
| What does it mean? | ||
| Like a radio transmitter. | ||
| It's like a big blowtorch out of Delaware. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Oh, so it's like a beacon. | ||
| I guess. | ||
| I don't know exactly how the, like, etymology of it works, but I do hear him call radio stations blowtorches a lot. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And I think it's a fun vernacular. | ||
| I hope it doesn't have some kind of a horrible root to it. | ||
| Boy, yeah. | ||
| You know, you start there and you're like, there's gonna be some anti-Semitism. | ||
| It always gets tough to, like, say, boy, I like that slang, Alex. | ||
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Yep, yep, yep, yep. | |
| Because usually it's gonna be a problem. | ||
| I think we should have stopped at fill your hand. | ||
| Once we got there. | ||
| We should have been like, that's what we got. | ||
| That's the one we get to stick with. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So at this point, like 2004, 2003, I don't believe that there were 1,300 people on Earth who wanted to talk to Alex Jones. | ||
| Agreed. | ||
| So I don't believe this number of interviews is accurate. | ||
| I think it's much lower. | ||
| But yeah, you do bring up an interesting point, and this is something that I got fascinated thinking about later, because these numbers keep coming up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Is Alex keeping, like, meticulous... | ||
| He's not keeping detailed notes, but is he at all keeping some sort of count? | ||
| Do you know what I mean? | ||
| You don't have to keep detailed notes, but you would be like, oh man, that was like 20 interviews last week. | ||
| Something along those lines where you would, maybe you put it on a board, on a whiteboard or something, but he's just pulling 1,300 out of his ass. | ||
| Well, it's the same with the efficacy rate of his documentaries and waking people up. | ||
| It's sort of a feeling thing. | ||
| It is a how-good-is-my-day-going kind of number. | ||
| It feels like I've done 1,300 interviews. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And I don't know if it's been, like, what? | ||
| Two years-ish? | ||
| Two and a half years or something. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know if he's doing an interview a day, two interviews a day. | ||
| No. | ||
| Who's asking? | ||
| No one. | ||
| No. | ||
| Especially not... | ||
| Twice a day. | ||
| No. | ||
| He would have to go on the same, like, small town. | ||
| He'd be a co-host of some radio show. | ||
| He'd have to be. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| So, I got excited because there's a dynamic in these 2004 episodes and in this time frame that, like, he'll sometimes say that he has a guest coming on, but he doesn't say who. | ||
| And you're like, it could be anybody. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You don't know. | ||
| It literally could be anybody. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because at this point in time, Alex has a public branding that isn't so extreme right-wing that some people accidentally get booked on his show. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| You know, we've seen Noam Chomsky show up. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| We've seen... | ||
| Bill Ayers. | ||
| Lynch. | ||
| We've seen David Lynch show up. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Alex, I want to talk more about Transcendental... | ||
| You don't know. | ||
| It's chaos. | ||
| It also could be somebody that we haven't seen, like a Steve Pachanek. | ||
| Maybe he's showing up in the mix somehow. | ||
| Or, you know, one of our other friends, like a Joel Skousen. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| So it's a young Elizabeth Warren. | ||
| You don't know? | ||
| You don't. | ||
| You don't know! | ||
| Could be Hillary Rodham. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| The preamble has gone on Long It Up. | ||
| Anyway, Alex has a guest, and it's just the guy who interviewed him the previous day on his radio show. | ||
| So he does 1,300 interviews, and almost all of them are tit-for-tat. | ||
| So yeah, he has the guy who's on that blowtorch out of Delaware. | ||
| Great, great, great. | ||
| And his name is... | ||
| Davis Lerman. | ||
| I remembered it. | ||
| Davis Lerman. | ||
| I didn't write it down, but I remember it now. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Because it took forever to try and figure out who this guy was. | ||
| Because Lerman, there's a lot of ways that could be spelled. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, the first one I think of is Boz Lerman. | ||
| You bet. | ||
| That's one way. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What's the way he spells it? | ||
| We don't learn until the end of the episode. | ||
| We'll get there when we get there. | ||
| Excellent. | ||
| But anyway, they spent so long. | ||
| I don't even know how to set this up because I didn't cut clips of the beginning of it when they were talking about it because I thought, oh, sure, they'll jump off this at some point. | ||
| It's very dumb. | ||
| Essentially, Davis Lerman has a big complaint that Fox News shows, like Laura Ingraham and Hannity, they're playing clips of Bush's State of the Union address, and they've cut out... | ||
| Parts where they got applause. | ||
| And so it's selective presentation. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| So it's not showing the ecstasy with which his stuff was met with. | ||
| Or maybe the reverse. | ||
| Or yes, yes. | ||
| And so another person who they take target at for their coverage of it is Michael Savage. | ||
| And so here, this is a ways into them complaining about it. | ||
| It goes on so long. | ||
| Folks, that's a big deal to have multiple national shows editing out Congress having a big round of applause when Bush says that the Patriot Act is set to repeal in 05. By the way, it's not set to repeal in 05. There's a bunch of provisions about loving your neighbor and happiness and loving Arabs. | ||
| I mean, they really have provisions like that. | ||
| Was that in there? | ||
| Section 213, 215, 802, I think it's about, what, 16 different provisions, all the key meat of Patriot Act I. It's not set to expire. | ||
| So I think Alex is getting some things mixed up with the Patriot Act. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Because I think the Love Thy Neighbors, that's Ten Commandments. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I remember that. | ||
| Don't Worry, Be Happy is Bobby McFerrin. | ||
| There was that song. | ||
| I don't know if there's a Don't Hate Muslims. | ||
| Don't Hate Arabs in the Patriot Act. | ||
| I mean, the irony of his description seems like those are all of the things that the Patriot Act was trying to destroy at us. | ||
| I don't know if there were protections for happiness. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So Alex is interviewing. | ||
| I'm interviewing this radio host who had him on the show previously, and he's having him on to craft this conspiracy that a bunch of hosts on Fox News edited out applause during a Bush speech when he said the key provisions of the Patriot Act were set to expire the next year. | ||
| This was from a clip of Bush during the 2004 State of the Union, so he was addressing Congress. | ||
| So the idea is that the government is even against the Patriot Act, but the folks at Fox are trying to cover that up because they're towing the line for Bush. | ||
| That's what I was trying to... | ||
| It's a little silly. | ||
| It's also... | ||
| I mean, I went and I watched the State of the Union and it's... | ||
| I don't know if it's fair. | ||
| So in reality, what happened is that Bush said the line, quote, key provisions of the Patriot Act are set to expire next year. | ||
| Then there was an awkward pause, and a few Democrats gave a little bit of applause. | ||
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Right. | |
| So there's a little bit of clapping. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Bush then says, quote, the threat of terrorism will not expire on that schedule, at which point the entire GOP erupted in applause and a standing ovation. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Here, this is the dynamic that they're talking about. | ||
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The provisions of the Patriot Act are set to expire next year. | |
| The terrorist threat. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| You poor idiots. | ||
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The terrorist threat will not expire on that schedule. | |
| Are you applauding for terrorism here? | ||
| Is that grammatically what I'm hearing? | ||
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You're goddamn right it won't. | |
| Not if we have anything to say about it. | ||
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about it. | |
| I think anybody who approaches this with a fair reading of context will accept that that was a much larger applause. | ||
| And, yeah, I don't know. | ||
| Yeah, it did feel like bloodthirst was more the prevailing applause there, as opposed to, it'll be nice to have freedom again. | ||
| I think, yeah, there's a bit of that. | ||
| And then there's also just a bit of fuck you for applauding. | ||
| There is definitely a little bit of that. | ||
| You didn't let him finish the sentence. | ||
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Right. | |
| You applauded at the part that is not supposed to be an applause line. | ||
| As evidenced by the awkward pause before they clap. | ||
| The energy is very strange. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Look, I don't know. | ||
| I didn't watch the Hannity or Laura Ingraham episodes from that day, but I wouldn't be too surprised if they edited out that little bit of applause that the Dems had. | ||
| They're a propaganda news network, so that shouldn't be a shock to anybody. | ||
| The point, more broadly, is that the picture Alex is painting is just as misleading as the ones that they're accusing Fox of painting. | ||
| And Alex himself is guilty of way more egregious levels of editing clips and presenting things devoid of context. | ||
| Look what he's doing with Larry Silverstein! | ||
| It's really nuts that he spends like half an hour on this, considering how mild his criticism is and how much he does this himself. | ||
| It's... | ||
| Infuriating listening to this episode. | ||
| Yeah, I'm struggling to keep that thought in my mind of the actual thing that we have a problem with. | ||
| The thing we have a problem with is that Fox News shows... | ||
| Edited out a small accidental bit of applause that wasn't even really supposed to be there and wouldn't have been there if Bush weren't such a terrible orator. | ||
| Perhaps. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, look, I agree. | ||
| All things being equal. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's dishonest to edit out that applause because it did happen. | ||
| True. | ||
| It's just as dishonest to pretend that that was the large part of the government being opposed to the Patriot Act and that Fox is trying to cover that up. | ||
| I could easily see it being more for the sake of cohesion of a clip because what I played for you is a little disjointed and a little strange. | ||
| And if you are a right-wing propaganda network, I could see how that clip would be preferable without the stutter step of applause in the middle. | ||
| I mean, and honestly, you know, I stop and I think about it and I say, does an ineffectual congressperson's applause matter if nobody hears it? | ||
| And the answer is no, it really doesn't. | ||
| So, who cares? | ||
| So here we have Lerman. | ||
| Davis Lerman. | ||
| Davis Lerman. | ||
| Couldn't come up with his name. | ||
| You're struggling. | ||
| Should have wrote it down. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So we have him, and he is the second example in recent times of a guest who has come on with their own sound clips. | ||
| Oh no! | ||
| It seems like... | ||
| This might have been a thing that people were more apt to do in 2004. | ||
| I mean, if you're a radio host in 2004, you carry your own soundboard with you. | ||
| And you gotta impress the big guy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Alex is the... | ||
| He's a big fish in this pond. | ||
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Totally. | |
| You are basically nothing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, yeah, it's interesting to see that there's a bit of this happening. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| And so he has a clip of Michael Savage. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And now they're gonna play a clip of Laura Ingraham and make fun of her. | ||
| Oh, okay, so it's a clip of other people talking nonsense. | ||
| Not fart sounds. | ||
| No, it's a clip of them editing out the applause. | ||
| Gotcha, okay, okay. | ||
| Right, okay. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| We're sticking on this. | ||
| Oh boy. | ||
| Do you want to air the clips, Davis, where we hear Ingram babbling so we know this is on her show on the record? | ||
| Oh yeah, in fact, we can tell it's on her show because... | ||
| Not only does she babble immediately following the president's statements, but in the middle of his statements, she adds a sound effect, what she calls a dramatic stinger. | ||
| We all call it that. | ||
| I guess to mock what it is people would find shocking about the president's statement. | ||
| So let's hear that now. | ||
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One of those essential tools is the Patriot Act, which allows federal law enforcement to better share information. | |
| To track terrorists, to disrupt their sales, and to seize their assets. | ||
| For years, we have used similar provisions to catch embezzlers and drug traffickers. | ||
| If these methods are good for hunting criminals, they are even more important for hunting terrorists. | ||
| See, he's 100% right on that. | ||
| And a liberal enemy wants to undo the Patriot Act. | ||
| What? | ||
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Let's play track four. | |
| Yeah, let's play track four. | ||
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The provisions of the Patriot Act. | |
| The provisions of the Patriot Act. | ||
| You guys have it. | ||
| Oh boy. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So he started playing the Michael Savage one. | ||
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Right. | |
| But they didn't realize because it was just Bush talking. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And then everything gets confused. | ||
| And then two clips of Bush's speech start playing simultaneously. | ||
| That's what I was concerned by. | ||
| Oh man. | ||
| This is an issue. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I am mad at the crew, honestly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So what's interesting there is not that they can't get very basic tech stuff figured out, but it is kind of fun. | ||
| I enjoy that. | ||
| This clip is remarkable because Alex's guest is complaining about Laura Ingraham playing some kind of a sound effect meant to mock something about Bush's speech or your potential response to it. | ||
| Alex chimes in, manufacturing consent. | ||
| But then what does Alex do as soon as that clip is playing? | ||
| He laughs boisterously and unconvincingly at something Bush says. | ||
| He's doing the exact same thing that he's calling Laura Ingram engaging in manufacturing consent. | ||
| This isn't really what manufacturing consent entails. | ||
| It's a much bigger thing. | ||
| But either way, it's important to understand that whatever it is that Ingram may or may not be doing, that isn't a problem for Alex. | ||
| His only real complaint is that he doesn't like her and he disagrees with her. | ||
| That's fine, but turning it into some sort of a meta complaint about her and Hannity, it's really just a way of sidestepping, having to deal with anything of substance and whatever they're saying. | ||
| So there's a way of turning this into a thing as opposed to... | ||
| It would be nice if we never had to argue about shit like that. | ||
| All you would do is just be like, ah, I hate her. | ||
| And I'd be like, why? | ||
| And he'd be like, ah, just a vibe. | ||
| And I'd be like, well, there's really nothing to argue with you about. | ||
| No, I got it. | ||
| Yeah, you hate her. | ||
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Cool. | |
| Wait, wait, wait. | ||
| She likes Trump now. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| You just hate her. | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| You did hate her and now you love her. | ||
| Again, don't care. | ||
| It's interesting to me that you have all these figures. | ||
| Hannity, Savage, Laura Ingraham. | ||
| They're all commies. | ||
| They're all terrible. | ||
| They work for the globalists. | ||
| They've sold their souls and all this. | ||
| And then all of them start loving Trump and Alex is into him. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Well, he wouldn't want to be part of a club that wouldn't have him. | ||
| And he would love to be part of a club that would. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's like a reverse wild. | ||
| I guess so. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, Alex has a thing. | ||
| This is going to take a tiny bit of clarification. | ||
| In an episode that we didn't listen to, Alex gets a call from a guy, and he says that he has a 1915 Italian silent film, right? | ||
| He just owns one? | ||
| He made one? | ||
| He knows of one? | ||
| Let me correct this. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| He saw one. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Okay. | ||
| All right. | ||
| And there's a part of this film, a silent film from 1915, that includes the worship of Moloch. | ||
| And this is exciting to Alex because he wants to get his hands on this film. | ||
| When did Anshian Dandalu come out? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Is this literally Marcel Duchamp's film? | ||
| I don't know anything about film. | ||
| Yeah, that's fair enough. | ||
| So maybe. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Anyway. | ||
| On this episode, Alex gets a call from a guy who's like, I got that film, and I'm going to send it to you. | ||
| And Alex gets really excited. | ||
| Then they start talking about the film, and it takes a full minute for them to realize that they are talking about completely different films. | ||
| Which is fun. | ||
| I enjoy this. | ||
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Alex, one thing about this silent movie in 1915, it has Tyrone Power Sr. in it. | |
| I don't know if you remember him or not. | ||
| He's a movie star. | ||
| He's a movie star. | ||
| For those that don't know what you're talking about, describe the name of the film. | ||
| This guy saw the film of the feeders. | ||
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It was called Where Are My Children. | |
| Back in those days, abortion was wrong, right? | ||
| And the penalty, I think the doctor got 15 years for performing abortion. | ||
| I thought the listeners said the name of the film was Cambria or something. | ||
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This may be a different one, but it's very, very, very good. | |
| And what does it show? | ||
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It's like a story about Tyrone Power is dead. | |
| He's dead now, but... | ||
| That's a different film than I was requesting. | ||
|
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But a very informative video. | |
| Well, does it show the Moloch worship? | ||
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No, it doesn't show that. | |
| Okay, that's a different film. | ||
|
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Okay. | |
| But still send it to me. | ||
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Thanks for the call. | |
| I will. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| Still send it in. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Poor guy. | ||
| He's a movie star. | ||
| I appreciate that. | ||
| I really enjoy the way he said movie star. | ||
| That was great. | ||
| Kids going places. | ||
| You stick with me, kid. | ||
| I'll take you to the moon. | ||
| I love moments like that. | ||
| Where they're trying to figure out... | ||
| Like, they're talking about different things, but they both seem to think they're talking about the same thing, and they have to feel their way through it like they're two people in a pitch-black room. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| There's no light. | ||
| No, it's my parents watching a movie and beginning with... | ||
| Oh, do you remember where we saw that guy? | ||
| And then it's the dance of like, which movie do you think you're talking about? | ||
| And then whether they agree on it. | ||
| The whole reason that this guy even brought up this movie that he was going to send to Alex is because Alex had been talking about wanting this film that had the Moloch worship in it. | ||
| And this guy is like, I found it. | ||
| And then it turns out through the chain of questions, it doesn't even have Moloch worship in it. | ||
| It has nothing to do with anything that they're talking about, but it's a good picture. | ||
| It's a really good movie. | ||
| I just really wanted to tell you about this movie. | ||
| I feel like that's really what he wanted. | ||
| It's got a good message. | ||
| Somebody was talking about old films and he was like, finally, this is my time to shine. | ||
| Alex, I celebrate the classics. | ||
| That was Pachanek, by the way. | ||
| So, Alex, we get back to this idea of how many shows he's been on. | ||
| He thinks that everyone's waking up because, of course, everybody loves him on these shows. | ||
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Sure. | |
| Are you seeing the awakening in your area that I'm seeing here? | ||
| I've never seen people more primed to come out of ignorance. | ||
| Well, yeah, I have to say that there are more and more callers every week that seem to agree. | ||
| But, you know, at the same time, there are more and more callers that are more full of venom and hatred when they do call to disagree. | ||
| So I would say it's. | ||
| It's quite diametric. | ||
| It's kind of tough to gauge if there's more of one than the other, but I would say feelings are growing in strength on both sides, really. | ||
| Well, see, I was on your show. | ||
| Nobody called in and disagreed, and it just seems like they just can't do it to me. | ||
| Oh, no, no, no. | ||
| Well, there were some calls that night, in fact, that never got through, and so they were, you know... | ||
| Cursing up and down at the guy in the air. | ||
| Oh, okay, yeah. | ||
| We'll be right by. | ||
| Oh, Alex accidentally had it revealed on air that they screened calls on these shows and this guy didn't have negative calls coming through. | ||
| Oh, no! | ||
| I'm sure they weren't all swearing and what have you. | ||
| This is sad. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Alex is like, I was on your show last night and nobody bad called. | ||
| No one who disagreed called. | ||
| Alex, a bunch of people did call. | ||
| We just didn't let them through. | ||
| That's a good—maybe he accidentally made a very good point, Davis, which is—I mean, you know, he didn't actually make it, but he revealed maybe something that is important, right? | ||
| When they say they're waking people up, right, they believe they're only waking people up to what they believe. | ||
| But— By virtue of their extreme response and their aggression into the real world, they are also waking up people to the idea of these people need to be fucking stopped, right? | ||
| So there is an awaken-upping, wow, that was... | ||
| That's fun. | ||
| I'm gonna end. | ||
| The end. | ||
| I get what you're driving towards. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And that is not at all what they mean. | ||
| No, it is not. | ||
| No. | ||
| No, no, absolutely not. | ||
| But I am interested in that maybe the truth that they are ignoring. | ||
| I don't think it is. | ||
| Because I think the people who are calling in antagonistic towards them are not actually substantively criticizing what Alex is bringing to the table or anything. | ||
| That's fair. | ||
| I don't think they're waking up to reality either. | ||
| They're just getting angry at an asshole. | ||
| That's fair. | ||
| Well, I mean, nobody's really waking up to reality. | ||
| Why would you? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Hey, come on. | ||
| That's why I'm in 2004, baby. | ||
| That's why I live in the Matrix. | ||
| So, Alex has to save a little face. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Because this guy accidentally revealed that they were screening calls. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| And so here's what he decides to do. | ||
| I've conducted my own poll, doing over 1,300 radio interviews. | ||
| The end. | ||
| Approaching 1,400. | ||
| I have to go back through my day timer and count up the last couple months. | ||
| I've been saying 1,300 since I reached that a couple months ago, so I guess it's getting close to 1,400, but I've got to go count it up. | ||
| And I'll be on Pacifica, liberal stuff, I'll be on conservative shows, and maybe one out of 20, 30 callers, depending on the program, will call and disagree. | ||
| And I can see what Mr. Lerman was saying about he couldn't let some of the disagreed on his show because they were cussing so much. | ||
| Those that do disagree are universal. | ||
| They'll go, boy, we're going to get your type. | ||
| I can't wait to put you in a camp. | ||
| Is that what they sound like? | ||
| I'd love to beat you up. | ||
| I'll stomp you into the ground, you little communist. | ||
| Don't you lie about George Bush. | ||
| He ain't for gun control. | ||
| And, you know, that's in the south of the west. | ||
| If it's up north, it's, let me tell you something, buddy. | ||
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I hope they put you in a camp, and I'd like to punch you in the nose, you liar! | |
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| So, you know, I mean, it's incoherent. | ||
| It's, well, they're for open borders, they're for gun control, we're not! | ||
| Shut up, liberal! | ||
| Remember when Alex was saying that he had the most promising voiceover career? | ||
| Yeah, that he walked away from because he criticized Obama? | ||
| Yeah, I guess he was trying a little bit of honeymooners there, but I don't know if that worked out. | ||
| Whatever it was... | ||
| We'll call you. | ||
| That's not getting booked. | ||
| So there's some problems with Alex's methodology with his poll here. | ||
| The first most glaring problem is that he absolutely is not keeping any records of the exact number of calls he takes and how many are for or against him. | ||
| He doesn't even know that number for his own show, let alone for these alleged 1,400 interviews he's done. | ||
| The numbers he's coming up with aren't based on anything except his memory and his mood, which makes them meaningless. | ||
| The second problem is that Alex doesn't have access to the actual number of callers. | ||
| It seems pretty clear to me that this Davis guy wasn't just not letting people on who swore on the air to the screener. | ||
| It's pretty likely that he didn't want to have negative calls coming on when this relative celebrity was a guest on his show. | ||
| I would suspect that a fair amount of the people who want to have Alex on as a guest are... | ||
| To put it bluntly, bottom feeders who probably want to impress the much larger star who has made time for them because maybe then he'll have them on his show. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What a back-scratching affair. | ||
| Hey, listen, I've been in the open mic scene in Chicago comedy for a long time. | ||
| I know how it works. | ||
| Alex assumes that the people who get on air are a representative sample of the total group of callers, but that's not a safe assumption to make. | ||
| The decision of who gets on air is not a randomized process, and there's a ton of variables at play there. | ||
| There's a side point to this problem, which is that Alex's selection of shows he's going on are not representative of the wider population. | ||
| The only invitations that are coming in are from weirdo patriot leaning shows, and that's going to lean heavy in the bias of where the calls are coming from. | ||
| He's not going on C-SPAN's Washington Journal, he's going on a show where the co-host may The third problem is that it's impossible to definitively quantify what is a pro or anti. | ||
| This is a subjective notion, so it's kind of meaningless. | ||
| The fourth problem is that Alex is an asshole. | ||
| It very well may be that his personality elicits a negative response in a caller who may otherwise entirely agree with him. | ||
| Alex is a sanctimonious braggart, and he's super judgmental, so it's easy to imagine calls that he could see as being negative actually just being someone not liking him. | ||
| And that leads us to our fifth problem, which is that even if none of these problems existed, and Alex was clearly tabulating all of his guest appearances and logging all of the pro and anti-callers and defined those things, and he was consulting with the board operators of these stations so he can get phone numbers to do follow-up calls with the people who didn't get through, even if he did all of that, all he could possibly get a sense of is how people feel about him. | ||
| I know that Alex thinks that he is synonymous with freedom, but he's not. | ||
| And the only real poll he's doing is whether or not it feels like the bulk of callers on shows who have loose enough booking standards to have him on like him. | ||
| It's a worthless, meaningless poll. | ||
| But I do enjoy the way he thinks there's something... | ||
| You know, there's some substance there. | ||
| And it's entirely fictional and imaginary. | ||
| But if fictional substance is still technically substance, I don't know if I can argue with that. | ||
| What I can say is that I think we need to... | ||
| A show needs to exist that does have a randomized guest. | ||
| Like, everyone on the planet puts their name in a hat. | ||
| It goes in the randomizer. | ||
| Whoever's number comes up, they gotta call in. | ||
| They gotta call in. | ||
| Now you're on my show. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| The random show generator. | ||
| Man, that'd be a bad show. | ||
| It'd be not a good show, but sometimes it would be a great show. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think you're going to get cancelled before you have a good episode. | ||
| That's a good point. | ||
| The odds are not good. | ||
| That is a good point. | ||
| You're also going to end up interviewing a lot of babies, probably. | ||
| Maybe not a lot of babies, but it would happen. | ||
| Okay, we'll narrow down the names. | ||
| We'll narrow down the numbers, okay? | ||
| It doesn't have to be all seven billion. | ||
| Eventually you're going to get to choosing guests to assure quality. | ||
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Once you go down the path of restricting baby guests. | |
| Well, then it's all over. | ||
| You've already made a step towards quality control. | ||
| Path keeps going. | ||
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You know what? | |
| I guess we have to accept babies then. | ||
| Well, it's one or the other. | ||
| It's one or the other. | ||
| So we have a little bit more complaint here from a caller about the presentation of the State of the Union address. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And this is dumb. | ||
| I was talking to a lady the other day, an older lady, and she said, Alex, I know what you're saying is true, but I'm older and I just don't want to worry about it. | ||
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I asked an older gentleman Sunday if he watched the speech of Mr. Bush the other day. | |
| He said yes. | ||
| I said, did you hear when he talked about the Patriot Act? | ||
| He said yes. | ||
| I asked the gentleman, did you notice where the camera was panning when he said this? | ||
| He said, no, I don't remember. | ||
| I explained to him that it went to the quarterback of the Patriots, etc., and that's a very subtle way of brainwashing. | ||
| And he interrupted me, and the gentleman said, well, I'm not brainwashed. | ||
| Well, isn't that really... | ||
| Not true. | ||
| Because if we don't remember something, and it really faked out our eye and our brain, weren't we brainwashed? | ||
| Of course we were. | ||
| What? | ||
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See how it works? | |
| No. | ||
| It does, and that's how, I mean, I have marketing, folks. | ||
| I just had one semester of it, and they talked about subliminals. | ||
| Maybe Alex should have taken a second semester on that shit. | ||
| I cannot believe that we just got the, I took one semester of marketing, so yes, I understand. | ||
| Brainwashing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm surprised. | ||
| I'm surprised. | ||
| It's 101 shit. | ||
| It does seem like if I was teaching a marketing class, I would wait. | ||
| I mean, I'm not saying it's Scientology, but I would wait until like third, fourth year before we're jumping into here's how you control human beings' behavior. | ||
| So do you understand what the scholar is saying? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If you don't remember something, you were brainwashed. | ||
| Well, not that part. | ||
| I mean the specific example of it. | ||
| I lost his specific example the moment he started making his argument. | ||
| So when Bush mentioned the Patriot Act, they showed an image of the Patriots quarterback. | ||
| Who was there. | ||
| Tom Brady. | ||
| Weird to remember that Tom Brady was Laura Bush's guest at the 2004 State of the Union. | ||
| Strange. | ||
| Oh man, didn't they win the Super Bowl against the Raiders that year? | ||
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Was that what it was? | |
| He had won one before this. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| I know that. | ||
| I only know that because I looked up why the fuck was Tom Brady at the 2004 State of the Union. | ||
| Yeah, he looks quite young. | ||
| I guess it was almost 20 years ago. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| That bums me out. | ||
| That bums me out. | ||
| There's a lot of stuff that bums me out, and I don't know why specifically that bums me out, because I don't particularly like Tom Brady at all. | ||
| And I think he's probably a complete asshole. | ||
| So Alex brought this up on his own earlier in the show, and I did not even pay attention to it because I thought it was stupid. | ||
| And this caller brings it back up, and I'm like, well, apparently this means something. | ||
| So the theories that I have about their theory... | ||
| Well, one thing is what Alex says at the beginning of this episode. | ||
| He said that they did that to subliminally plant in your mind that the Patriot Act... | ||
| No! | ||
| No, that's too smart. | ||
| Because he plays for the Patriots. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So the Patriot Act is about Patriots, and then Alex, he calls himself a Patriot. | ||
| Ha-ha. | ||
| No. | ||
| Alex said that it's to associate the Patriot Act with football. | ||
| And I don't know what that means. | ||
| What? | ||
| I don't even know what that means. | ||
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What? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| But it makes perfect sense as far as what that guy is talking about. | ||
| The Patriots. | ||
| The Patriots. | ||
| People on the right wing call themselves Patriots. | ||
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Yes. | |
| The Patriot Act is against them. | ||
| Visual metaphor works perfectly. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, I guess. | ||
| What it is is like... | ||
| Drawing tenuous, meaningless connections and then accusing everybody who doesn't agree with you of being brainwashed. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Which is fun. | ||
| That is, it's more fun than being on the other side. | ||
| Us, who are infuriating? | ||
| Yes, yes. | ||
| Also, I found another conspiracy. | ||
| When Bush was talking about making schools better, the camera panned to a really bored-looking kid in the audience. | ||
| So they were secretly totally telling us that improving schools is boring, and it's cool not to fund schools. | ||
| That's a good point. | ||
| Also, possibly larger conspiracy theory. | ||
| I noticed this was really weird. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Every time they showed Bush speaking, there was a big old pedophile sitting behind him. | ||
| I'm not sure what the message they were trying to get across here, but it was glaring. | ||
| While I was watching, I was like, oh, fucking Hester. | ||
| Sitting up there. | ||
| He was the speaker for a long time. | ||
| Yep, yep, yep, yep. | ||
| Anyway. | ||
| Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. | ||
| Alex and Davis have a really dumb conversation about some ideas they have. | ||
| All these different sides are controlled, and no matter what color the controllers are, and boy, it's a diverse crowd, we've got to fight evil. | ||
| And if we don't make it one group or another, people will come together and we'll win this. | ||
| If we don't, though, they're going to keep playing this balkanization game. | ||
| Go ahead. | ||
| Well, that's why you have to offer the Big Ten theory. | ||
| Just everyone who loves freedom, come on in. | ||
| Put the other petty differences aside, because if... | ||
| If everyone who loves freedom is in fact united, what you have is a place that's free enough for people to express their religious differences without it coming to fisticuffs, wars, manipulation, control, and the like. | ||
| This is cute and all, but I don't think for a single second that these guys are serious about this suggestion. | ||
| The big tent of freedom? | ||
| Just a crock of shit. | ||
| Yeah, the big tent! | ||
| I'm all for abstract ideas about freedom, and I think it's very clearly lucrative to yell vague platitudes about it on a radio show, but these guys and their conception of freedom is antithetical to a big tent. | ||
| They want the freedom to live in an area where they never see trans people. | ||
| They want the freedom to demand that movies not have gay characters in them. | ||
| Not just, I'm not gonna see that movie, you can't have a gay character in it. | ||
| They want the freedom to force people to carry unwanted pregnancies to term because that's what their religious beliefs tell them it's right, so it has to be imposed on everybody else. | ||
| For people like Alex, freedom means his freedom, and it comes at your expense. | ||
| For fuck's sake, Alex doesn't want to live in a world where Muslim women have the freedom to go to a pool supply shop. | ||
| Nope, go fuck off with this big tent nonsense. | ||
| When your ideology is based on restriction and exclusion, you cannot have a big tent. | ||
| The best you can do is have an incredibly small tent and yell outside of it how big it is, which is basically what Alex does with his above-the-lust. | ||
| left-right paradigm nonsense. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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And it worked for a bit. | |
| For a while. | ||
| But it was all a... | ||
| For a lot longer than it should have. | ||
| But it was all a charade. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Also, small point, this conversation is happening because a caller was asking Alex a meandering question about how someone who works at the American Free Press was saying that the Jews did 9-11. | |
| So Alex has to dance around not supporting that because it's anti-Semitic trash. | ||
| Right. | ||
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But also not fully reject it because the people who sell that anti-Semitic trash at the American Free Press are some of his best friends. | |
| And long-time sources like Big Jim Tucker. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So he kind of has to walk a weird line. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So my conspiracy theory is this, all right? | ||
| I think Tom Brady was about to marry Giselle at this time, and Laura Bush was exercising the royalties right of first knight, or whatever it is. | ||
| Prima nocta? | ||
| Yeah, prima nocta. | ||
| I think that's what was going on there. | ||
| I think Laura Bush used that power. | ||
| And I think that everybody needs to know the president and the first lady can. | ||
| I'm trying to think what they would have needed to cut away to in the State of the Union in order to put this into your mind. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because you must have been brainwashed, my dude. | ||
| Well, I could be wrong. | ||
| So, I think this guy is stupid. | ||
| Yeah, agreed. | ||
| This Davis character. | ||
| But I thought he was just kind of like a boring, sort of right-wing... | ||
| Talk show host. | ||
| Kind of guy who would have Alex on, have some stupid ideas about Big Tent Freedom shit. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| Kind of bland. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then this happened, and I decided, I think this guy's crazy. | ||
| Allow me to show here how I handle certain callers after being inspired by your Waffen SS comment in your Police State video. | ||
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Okay, you got a clip? | |
| They're very thoughts, and they want to control our thoughts. | ||
| This is the way the guy did with me, too. | ||
| He's like... | ||
| I'm calling to respond because I'm concerned. | ||
| We have a concern about your dangerous thoughts, Lerman. | ||
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You see, they begin like that. | |
| First, we will label you hate radio. | ||
| Then we will label the radio stations that carry your hate radio. | ||
| And we will begin labeling the people who listen to these radio stations and those people who are caught desecrating the purity of the Reich will be eliminated! | ||
| Horizon! | ||
| Horizon! | ||
| Oh no, no, no! | ||
| New war-dooring Nazi freaks. | ||
| That's what we're dealing with now, folks. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| You know, because there is caller after caller defining. | ||
| They define certain folks with certain opinions. | ||
| I think this guy might be nuts. | ||
| I think he might have just tried to play his demo tape on air to Alex to get a fucking job. | ||
| Well, I mean, I think he's brilliant because, quite frankly, if you take one thing away from this episode, it's Alex loves doing characters. | ||
| He's doing a lot of voice work. | ||
| And so this guy comes in with his German character, his Nazi character. | ||
| He's like, I want to show you my range, Alex. | ||
| What is he doing? | ||
| Does he have a little tape player? | ||
| I mean, yeah, that is... | ||
| And he has that at the ready. | ||
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He has a... | |
| Clip of himself yelling something, a complaint, I guess, on his radio show. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Just ready to go. | ||
| Here you go, Alex. | ||
| Here's me. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I mean, if I was giving out a demo tape, I would say that Alex is probably worse than Barry Gordy, and that's saying a lot. | ||
| So, don't work for him. | ||
| But this was where I was like, ah, I should have written this guy's name down, because that guy, he might be a mess. | ||
| Yeah, that's nuts. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| He doesn't even realize what it was he was saying. | ||
| I'm not sure exactly what he was saying. | ||
| Yeah, no, but he was playing his clip just like beaming, just like, look at how great I am. | ||
| Like, that's nuts. | ||
| It is. | ||
| But even beyond that, the instinct to have that ready, to play it, oof. | ||
| I mean, look, I understand the playing a clip from Savage or Laura Ingram, because you're demonstrating a point. | ||
| Right. | ||
| This seems like something you could just say. | ||
| You're playing a clip of yourself. | ||
| That is weird. | ||
| I mean, it's messed up. | ||
| It is messed up. | ||
| I mean, it's messed up. | ||
| I wouldn't do that. | ||
| No. | ||
| So, there's two main stories that are being juggled by Alex. | ||
| When I say stories, I mean just sort of saying the headlines and then moving along. | ||
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Sure. | |
| One is the David Key weapons inspector thing. | ||
| And then the other one is about someone in the UK saying that we should kill children after they're born. | ||
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Sure. | |
| I was waiting for Alex to actually get into this story because he brought up the headline and we're going to get into it for the entire episode. | ||
| And he doesn't really. | ||
| So this is about the best we got. | ||
| Let's go to the calls and I'll get back into some other news here. | ||
| But I didn't want to get your comment on this. | ||
| This is out of the Scotsman today. | ||
| On Infowars.com and PrisonPlanet.com. | ||
| Government advisor. | ||
| Killing children with defects. | ||
| Acceptable. | ||
| A government advisor on genetics has sparked fury over suggesting it might be acceptable to destroy children with defects soon after they're born. | ||
| Well, this is the public plan. | ||
| John Harris, a member of the Human Genetics Commission, told a meeting at Westminster he did not see any distinction between aborting a fully grown unborn baby at 40 weeks and killing a child after it has been born. | ||
| And the government is pushing for this policy. | ||
| So is our government. | ||
| No, not. | ||
| But John Harris is the guy here in question. | ||
| He's an ethicist. | ||
| One of the problems with complaining about academic ethics is that you really have to parse out what the writer is saying, which the media often isn't up to that task. | ||
| It's really hard. | ||
| And Alex can't handle it. | ||
| Their sentences are so long, I don't think the media can handle that. | ||
| It's just too long. | ||
| Practically speaking, Harris wasn't arguing for killing children after they're born. | ||
| What he was doing was conducting an ethical exploration of what differences there would be between a late-term abortion and killing a child after it's born to illuminate the implications that are buried in that distinction. | ||
| I like that people, like the moment you started describing that, people went, Boo! | ||
| Boo! | ||
| Boring! | ||
| So anyways, continue. | ||
| For instance, if your support of an abortion is based solely on whether or not the potential child would be a burden on the parent, then could that argument not be made about a child that was just born? | ||
| Surely you could say that that child could be a burden on some level, and therefore you have to explore the ethical reasons behind what makes them different. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Nonsense, but it's what ethicists do. | ||
| Yeah, it's geometrical proofs applied to ethics, and it's very boring. | ||
| In the real world, this is a line of argumentation that tends towards challenging the pro-choice position more than the anti-abortion one. | ||
| By comparing an abortion with something that is pretty much everyone would call a murder, you're putting the burden on the abortion supporter to delineate what the ethical difference is between the two. | ||
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Right. | |
| That's the nature of the exploration. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So it's very strange that someone who's so staunchly anti-abortion like Alex would be the person who's so up in arms about this. | ||
| But he's dumb. | ||
| There's a lot of other elements to this conversation, like how it centers around some fairly eugenics-y ideas about disabilities, but this also wasn't a proposal. | ||
| It was an exercise in mental masturbation, which ultimately is what a lot of ethics writing and speaking ends up being. | ||
| It's the kind of stuff that's super easy to misrepresent, so I can understand why Alex would choose it. | ||
| It's so easy to run with, ah, this is what you're saying. | ||
| Alex is saying that he's arguing for, or saying that it is ethically or morally justified to kill children after they're born, and that is not what he's saying at all. | ||
| Right. | ||
| No, there is no point in engaging with what this dude is saying unless you are also an ethicist having a conversation about... | ||
| Abstract ethics to apply it to real life in any way is stupid. | ||
| You shouldn't gatekeep there. | ||
| You don't have to be an ethicist yourself, but you have to be engaging with the conversation on that level. | ||
| You have to be engaging with it in the terms of, we're talking about speculative ethics and philosophy. | ||
| You're not talking about like... | ||
| Hey, it's okay to perform an abortion, so therefore we should kill a child. | ||
| Yeah, it's not advocacy. | ||
| It's not advocacy at all. | ||
| No, it's very stupid. | ||
| This is... | ||
| Where that kind of really smart stuff intersects with really dumb stuff like Alex, and that's an exploding point. | ||
| It's a whole mess. | ||
| You know, some things, it's not like you need to be kept away from them, otherwise you'll be like, oh, it's touching fire. | ||
| It's just like... | ||
| It's better for you and for all of us if you just let this one go. | ||
| Much like touching fire. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Just let it go. | ||
| It's better for you. | ||
| You don't get burned. | ||
| It's better for us. | ||
| We don't have to put that out. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Put out the fire. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Just don't do it, man. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Alex, stay away from smart stuff. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| It's not going to hurt you. | ||
| So this guy, Davis. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| He has a, you know, he said that he wants this big tent freedom shit. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Pretty dumb. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But he has another dumb idea. | ||
| I say this in jest, but I almost think it might be a useful voting tool. | ||
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Then you're not saying it in jest, are you? | |
| It's called my scorched earth voting policy. | ||
| I think we should perhaps all unify to go into the voting booths and fill the ballot boxes, electronic though they may be. | ||
| Sorry, what? | ||
| For the worst candidate. | ||
| We want to pick the worst candidate. | ||
| Well, that's what I said. | ||
| We already do, am I right? | ||
| Boom! | ||
| Boom! | ||
| And then the conservatives will at least wake up. | ||
| They have to put a Bush in. | ||
| They have the same idea. | ||
| Oh, see, great minds think alike. | ||
| Yeah, because the sooner, it would be almost easier to take as an individual, as an American, if Lady Liberty was simply decapitated in one fell swoop and we have to rush her to the OOR, we could rebuild Rome brick by brick that much sooner. | ||
| Hey, they kind of did that in 2016. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yep, nailed it. | ||
| Got your wish 12 years after this. | ||
| Yeah, building it back up. | ||
| Not so easy. | ||
| Not going great. | ||
| Not so possible, but you did manage to vote in the worst candidate. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| What's fun about that is that Rome wasn't ever really rebuilt, now was it? | ||
| Some could say it was in a constant state of being rebuilt. | ||
| Well, that's another good point. | ||
| I'm not a Roman scholar. | ||
| I don't know the history of that as well as Greece, per se. | ||
| But, yeah. | ||
| No. | ||
| Stupid. | ||
| This guy's dumb. | ||
| He's got bad ideas. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That are fun if you're a dumb radio host. | ||
| But they are not functional. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, if you are saying it in jest, then that's a jest. | ||
| And that's great for radio. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And if you're saying it honestly, then... | ||
| You're essentially saying, let's burn the country down so we can build something up out of the ashes. | ||
| Now, here's the other interesting wrinkle that you can take away from this. | ||
| If he's saying it in jest, it's weird that Alex says, that's what I've been saying. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| But also, is this why you supported Ron Paul? | ||
| I mean... | ||
| Do you like America? | ||
| No, they don't. | ||
| I mean, isn't that really what we're getting down to? | ||
| It's like, let's burn this country down and build a white country, and I don't care if I sound like a Nazi. | ||
| I'll do a Nazi voice! | ||
| It's interesting you say that. | ||
| Davis. | ||
| Couldn't figure out how to spell his last name. | ||
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Oh, yeah? | |
| So it was really hard to Google him. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But then they get this call at the end of the show. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
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And what is your last name? | |
| Lerman. | ||
| L-U-R-M-A-N-N. | ||
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L-U-R-M-A-N-N. | |
| That's correct. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Alex, I wanted to know if you were aware that WLW in Cincinnati, where you've been a frequent guest on Bill Bosher's program, is... | ||
| Owned by Clear Channel. | ||
| I'll tell you what, stay there. | ||
| We'll talk about it when we get back. | ||
| The one and only Bilbo Shears. | ||
| So, we got the spelling. | ||
| I thought there was an H in there for sure. | ||
| I had written down an H. Yeah, there were so many spellings that I came up with an H. So anyway, now I was able to find this guy. | ||
| Oh boy. | ||
| And let me tell you this. | ||
| The first thing that comes up when you Google... | ||
| Davis Lehrman is a BitChute video that he did. | ||
| He was a guest on a show on BitChute in 2018. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| He went on a show called Revolution Radio, and he was on specifically to, quote, discuss the JQ, which of course is the Jewish question. | ||
| That is a Nazi code. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Apparently a big part of this interview was, quote, questioning the six million number. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| You know, at a certain point, you just gotta say, I am a Nazi. | ||
| And then we can, it's just like, you know, I feel like I hate Laura Ingraham. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because I don't like her for feelings. | ||
| Fine. | ||
| We can't argue about this. | ||
| I hate Jews. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because I'm a Nazi. | ||
| There we go. | ||
| You and me will never be friends. | ||
| It's strange how there were these little indications, like, um, is bullshit. | ||
| Big tent freedom thing coming after there was a weird caller about the Jews doing 9-11. | ||
| Weird how he does that Nazi voice. | ||
| And then, strangely, we get the spelling of his name, and I find out that he was discussing the JQ on a bit shoot show. | ||
| Also, he was on another episode. | ||
| I couldn't get that episode to play, otherwise I might have had some clips of it, because I'm sure he said some fucking awful stuff in it. | ||
| No doubt, no doubt. | ||
| But he was on another episode that I did listen to a little bit of, and apparently on that episode he was billed as a former 32nd degree mason, which is strange, because that doesn't come up when he's talking to Alex, so maybe it happened in between. | ||
| Maybe between 2004. | ||
| In 2018, he went through all the degrees and became a Mason. | ||
| Yeah, how long does it take to get 32 degrees of Masonic? | ||
| Six months. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I mean, it depends on how good you are at it. | ||
| You can speedrun. | ||
| Ooh, that's the next thing you should do on your channel. | ||
| That's the next thing I do on my channel. | ||
| Speedrun the Mason. | ||
| Speedrun Masonry. | ||
| Yeah, so it turns out he's a big old Nazi. | ||
| Yeah, that sounds right. | ||
| And a fabulist. | ||
| Yeah, that sounds right too. | ||
| He's built on all these shows as a PhD. | ||
| I have no idea what that is. | ||
| I can't get to the bottom of it. | ||
| I can't hang. | ||
| Also, he's a big fan of Tucker Carlson. | ||
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Sure. | |
| He says he's good at getting the message out. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And you can kind of tell what that message might be. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So anyway, we come to the end of this episode and it turns out we've accidentally been listening to Alex and a Nazi complain about Bush's State of the Union 2004. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Weird how this keeps happening in the past. | ||
| All of these guests are... | ||
| It's almost like it's been like that since the beginning. | ||
| Almost like it was more that way in the past, but super crypto. | ||
| None of this stuff is discussed. | ||
| None of these ideas or feelings are really hashed out. | ||
| Trying to put a brave face forward. | ||
| Much like Davis... | ||
| Screening the calls that were negative against Alex because he knew it was better for his ability to use Alex as the next stepping stone for him or whatever. | ||
| These people obscure these horrible views that they have and horrible associations and horrible group memberships even maybe because otherwise it's more difficult for them to pass off their extreme right-wing bullshit. | ||
| You can't make it palatable to a normal audience if you know that you also... | ||
| Think that maybe the Holocaust didn't happen. | ||
| Well, I mean, the concern, ultimately, right, is every 30, 40 years, right, this pops up, and then it gets to the point where it boils over with your OKC bombing or your January fucking 6th, you know? | ||
| And then with, like... | ||
| In the past, they would go underground and they would start talking like this all the time. | ||
| They'd be like, hey, listen, we don't want to deal with all that stuff until their bullshit forces society to a point where it accepts them openly and then they blow up and then we do it all over again. | ||
| It feels like we're not doing it all over again this time. | ||
| We're still going. | ||
| We're still going with the same stuff. | ||
| We went through OKC and now we're like, let's... | ||
| Let's get some more! | ||
| Well, you know what? | ||
| Here's the thing. | ||
| I mean, I agree with you because, at least in the sense that there is a feeling of a culminating event in January 6th. | ||
| The optics of that, the... | ||
| I mean, not to say that no one died, but, you know, it wasn't the same level of, like... | ||
| Dramatic tragedy. | ||
| You can say spiritually it's a tragedy for our country and all this desecration of the capital. | ||
| I think that's important to some people. | ||
| And there were people who died. | ||
| But you don't see that. | ||
| You don't see that. | ||
| You see smoke and people screaming and all this. | ||
| You see the Q Shaman. | ||
| You don't see the Murrah building exploding. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| And I think that that has a difference in the way that people process it and the way that it becomes so toxic to be associated with stuff towards it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| After Oklahoma City, it becomes almost impossible to be like, well, yeah, I love the militia stuff. | ||
| You do have to really go underground. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| January 6th, apparently there is no social cost to... | ||
| Out and out. | ||
| Yeah, and so I don't know if I have a point, but I was just talking through what it feels like is slightly different to me. | ||
| Well, yeah, and it does feel, I mean, here's what it felt like to me after the OKC bombing, is that all of the... | ||
| When you were four? | ||
| No, I mean, when I watched it. | ||
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You weren't for, also. | |
| No, I wasn't for. | ||
| No, I wasn't for. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Is, like, the, like, Pat Robertsons of the world on the McLaughlin groups and all of those stuff, they pulled back their rhetoric fast. | ||
| They went all the way back from being like, well, blah, blah, blah, blah, to being like, we all need to be responsible and safe with all this stuff. | ||
| And it has not happened after January 6th. | ||
| It has been... | ||
| I mean, Tucker is a hero-worshipping the whitewashing he's doing of January 6th. | ||
| And as that has such political utility for the 2024 candidacies, the whitewashing of the event, you're going to see more people incentivized to behave that way. | ||
| I don't know what to make of it. | ||
| It doesn't feel good. | ||
| No, no, nope. | ||
| Seems bad. | ||
| Eh. | ||
| You know, I'm... | ||
| Interesting noise. | ||
| Here's what I'm saying. | ||
| I'm just saying that, thankfully, I trust the government to step in and solve this problem. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So, I'll say it was something I'm thankful for. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| I forgot to mention this when I was talking about going to Florida. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There was all that talk of, like, Trump getting arrested. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And... | ||
| That was when I was going to be there. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| And so there was this weird fantasy I had in my mind of, like, he gets arrested, I get stuck in Florida. | ||
| Florida secedes. | ||
| No longer are there open borders. | ||
| The wonks have to smuggle me back to the United States. | ||
| It's good to know that the wonks will smuggle us if needed. | ||
| I'm thankful that it did not come to that, though. | ||
| Yeah, that's nice. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Anyway, Jordan, we'll be back with another episode. | ||
| Indeed we will. | ||
| Davis. | ||
| Davis Lerman. | ||
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Lerman. | |
| The Nazi. | ||
| Yeah, we'll be back with another episode, but until then, we have a website. | ||
| Indeed we do. | ||
| It's knowledgefight.com. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| We're also on Twitter. | ||
| We are on Twitter. | ||
| It's at knowledge underscore fight. | ||
| That is correct. | ||
| We'll be back. | ||
| But until then, I'm Neo. | ||
| I'm Leo. | ||
| I'm DZX. | ||
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Clark. | |
| Oh, you know what? | ||
| And now here comes the sex robots. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
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I'm a huge fan. | |
| I love your work. |