#770: January 20, 2023
Today, Dan and Jordan check in on Alex and discuss his thoughts about the brewing conflict between Steven Crowder and the Daily Wire.
Jan. 23, 2023 - Knowledge Fight
01:40:04
Participants
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| It's time to pray. | ||
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I have great respect for Knowledge Fight. | |
| Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys. | ||
| Knowledge Fight. | ||
|
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Dan and Jordan. | |
| Knowledge Fight. | ||
| Need money. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Stop it. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| It's time to pray. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| You're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding me. | ||
|
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I love your world. | |
| KnowledgeFight. | ||
| KnowledgeFight.com. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Hey, everybody. | ||
| Welcome back to KnowledgeFight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
| I'm Jordan. | ||
| We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Oh, indeed we are. | ||
| Dan. | ||
| Jordan. | ||
|
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Dan. | |
| Jordan. | ||
| I have a quick question for you. | ||
| What's up? | ||
| What's your bright spot today, buddy? | ||
| My bright spot today, Jordan, is that I was exercising the other day. | ||
| So that means I got a chance to listen to some music. | ||
| More music than I generally listen to. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And I determined what my taste in music is, and I can describe it, and I will not explain any further. | ||
| I will give you this explanation or this description, and that is it. | ||
| I cannot explain it any further than how I am going to articulate it. | ||
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unidentified
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Okay. | |
| All right. | ||
| Oh, you are going to explain? | ||
| I kind of thought you were going to be like, and that's the end of what I have to say to you. | ||
| No, I'm going to put it as succinctly as possible, and then I will not explain it. | ||
| Okay, I won't ask you any questions. | ||
| I appreciate that. | ||
| Okay, I promise you. | ||
| My ideal sort of music is the kind of thing that you could see me sliding sideways into a room wearing a cape to. | ||
| That is the sweet spot. | ||
| I will not explain. | ||
| I'm not asking questions. | ||
| I am just imagining... | ||
| There might be a spotlight involved too when I slide into the room with a spotlight in a cape. | ||
| Can I ask questions about the type of slide? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| You can't ask questions about the music. | ||
| You can ask questions about this image that I have in my head. | ||
| That's what I want to ask questions about, obviously. | ||
| Go ahead. | ||
| Are we doing, like, risky business slide? | ||
| Are we doing, like, full-on socks? | ||
| No. | ||
| No. | ||
| Are you sidling? | ||
| Are you, like, almost dipping the shoulder down as you kind of enter the room? | ||
| I see the shoulder being a little bit down, but that's just for cape play. | ||
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Sure. | |
| Well, yeah. | ||
| I think the footwork is mysterious by design. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I think no one knows what's going on with my feet because they're too distracted by the cape. | ||
| But you are light on, you're dancing. | ||
| Oh, I'm live. | ||
| Okay, gotcha, gotcha. | ||
| Like a feather. | ||
| Also, everyone is super excited about me entering the room in a cape. | ||
| That's also part of the vibe. | ||
| Final question. | ||
| Is there a flourish? | ||
| Do you throw the cape about? | ||
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No. | |
| No flourish. | ||
| The cape is just there. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| It is almost incidental, but that is related to how the music is. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Because there's a confusingness to it. | ||
| There's a mysterious ominousness to the existence of this cape. | ||
| How would you describe this song? | ||
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It's a little bit like I'm wearing a cape. | |
| See, these are the thoughts that I have when I exercise. | ||
| I realize now why you don't exercise too much. | ||
|
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I get it. | |
| Anyway, what's your bright spot? | ||
| My bright spot. | ||
| I've enjoyed Fire Emblem Engage a great deal. | ||
| I've been enjoying playing it. | ||
| I heard you streamed a little. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| It's very fun. | ||
| It's really cool to do that. | ||
| Some people have been hanging out and watching and talking, and it's been cool. | ||
| But the game, you know what I realized? | ||
| What's that? | ||
| When all those reviews where people are like, oh, they cut down on all the talking and all that stuff. | ||
| As I've been going through it, and they absolutely have, but I realized about the last games, most of the time, I read those conversations, but I couldn't... | ||
| It was like conversations with co-workers from five years ago, where it'd be like... | ||
| Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, totally. | ||
| And then five seconds later, if you asked me to report what that person had said to me, I would be like, I have no clue. | ||
| I don't know if I heard a word they said. | ||
| But was it the case that it gave you a general sense of who these other characters were? | ||
| It gave you a characterization of them, even if you didn't remember the conversations. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And the same thing is true now. | ||
| You can kind of read one sentence, one page of text, and you're like, oh, I got it. | ||
| And then we move on, you know? | ||
| You don't have to read four or five pages of text. | ||
| I mean, that's good. | ||
| I agree that I think it was a little too much. | ||
| In the last one. | ||
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Could be. | |
| And I think it actually, in Three Houses, it made me not want to get closer to some of the characters because I knew that I was just going to have to. | ||
| Oh my god, I'm going to have to talk to these people. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Which was, maybe it says more about me than it does about the game. | ||
| Yeah, I've only gotten a little bit of a chance to dig in because I've had a lot of business to attend to. | ||
| But the little bit I've played has been fun. | ||
| It's fun. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I like that. | ||
| That combat is fun. | ||
| Turn-based. | ||
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Yep. | |
| Fun stuff. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I like rings. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| The being able to move the character within the... | ||
| Instead of having to go by each square, you know, being able to direct the character, that is such a huge thing that, like, playing it, I was like, I can't believe that. | ||
| That's like how Mario and Rabbids was. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You can do that. | ||
| Instead of just clicking on a square to move to, you can move around within the available squares. | ||
| Attached to the joystick. | ||
| Fantastic. | ||
| It's fun. | ||
| I look forward to digging into it a little more. | ||
| So, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over. | ||
| And before we get into anything, I do have to say that I'm sorry that our last episode was under an hour. | ||
| That is really short. | ||
| You're a traitor, Dan. | ||
| I know. | ||
| I know. | ||
| I'm a traitor to the cause of long episodes. | ||
| I always prefer to at least, you know, hit an hour, but I also don't think it's necessary to force it. | ||
| Eh, whatever. | ||
| Anyway, today we have an episode, and hopefully we'll hit that hour mark. | ||
| And if not, then I will explain my musical taste. | ||
| In further depth. | ||
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Yes. | |
| We will find newer and more. | ||
| If need be. | ||
| I'll explain how Wild Wild West fits into this. | ||
| Oh boy. | ||
| Oh boy. | ||
| No. | ||
| Today, there was something that I was obsessed with over the weekend, and sort of the end of last week. | ||
| Obsessed is putting it strongly, but something that was really getting my attention, I was very interested in, and that is the... | ||
| No. | ||
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Oh. | |
| What? | ||
| The drama going on with Steven Crowder and The Daily Wire. | ||
| Okay, I heard one thing about it. | ||
| I saw one screenshot of a tweet, and then I ran away. | ||
| So Steven Crowder was offered a $50 million contract by The Daily Wire. | ||
| So far, so good. | ||
| And then he said no. | ||
| And then from here on, we have manufactured a large number of squabbles, if that's what I understand correctly. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Okay. | ||
| Yeah, but I... | ||
| Okay, so there's the... | ||
| We'll get into exactly what's happened, but there is an aspect of this that touches on and implicates Alex's world in a way that I think is really interesting. | ||
|
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Okay. | |
| And that's kind of what I want to talk about here today. | ||
| I want to talk about what happened, the dynamics, the bullshit, but also, more importantly, how it intersects with our stuff. | ||
| And a fantasy that I have about what could happen. | ||
| About wearing a cape while entering a room. | ||
| Someone's going to wear a cape, I'll tell you that. | ||
| With music. | ||
| But before we get into any of this, Jordan, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks. | ||
| Oh, that's a great idea. | ||
| So first, Mjolnir's sex party operation. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much! | ||
| Oh, I get it, because of the hammer-fucking. | ||
| Did I? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Did I pronounce that right? | ||
| Yeah, Mjolnir. | ||
| Thor's hammer? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Hammer-fucking. | ||
| Next, hey dad, Jimbo and Godzilla said the ocean is too big. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much! | ||
|
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Thank you. | |
| Next, Alex Jones is my hot construction daddy. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
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Thank you very much. | |
| That might also be about hammer-fucking. | ||
| Yeah, that's... | ||
| Next, Lilybot. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy one. | ||
| Thank you very much! | ||
| Next, this person's a genius. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Because what they did is they banked on this shout-out coming between two friends' birthdays. | ||
| Okay, now! | ||
| So eventually happy birthday to both of them. | ||
| Now we're talking real good stuff. | ||
| They nailed it. | ||
| So, from Dora, happy belated birthday to Aaron, December 27th, and happy early birthday to Bea, April 16th. | ||
| Damn! | ||
| May the dreamy, creepy chat reign supreme. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much! | ||
| Nailed it. | ||
| Yeah, that's impressive. | ||
| Impressive, yeah. | ||
| Next, Whovie and Steve. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much! | ||
| And bisexual lightning rat. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much! | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| So, we start here. | ||
| What we're going to be talking about is actually January 20th. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Friday's show on Alex's Infowars beguiled, verboten transmission. | ||
| The illegal information that the globalists will not let you have. | ||
| He has Andrew Napolitano on in the fourth hour. | ||
| Judge Napolitano. | ||
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Is he... | |
| He goes on Infowars still? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Well, I think that's because you get fired at Fox. | ||
| Well, yeah, that's what I was saying, but I thought after you get fired at Fox, you don't go on info. | ||
| You're just like... | ||
| I'm above that. | ||
| Some people are hungry for the game. | ||
| They live for the sport. | ||
| That's fair. | ||
| And then he also has an interview with that guy who worked at EcoHealth Alliance, who's a whistleblower on COVID, but also didn't work at EcoHealth Alliance at the appropriate times, and also didn't work in the fields that are relevant to this. | ||
| There is an issue with that. | ||
| So anyway, I don't care about that stuff. | ||
| But we start here on the 20th, and Alex has some big news. | ||
| And guess what? | ||
| Legislation has been introduced by the Democrats in the new Congress. | ||
| We covered this two years ago, two days ago. | ||
| We told you it was coming two years ago, 20 years ago. | ||
| And they say in the legislation, if you talk mad about anyone of color, five years in prison, federal crime. | ||
| It actually says that in the bill. | ||
| If you deny climate change, prison time. | ||
| And we play the clips here where the deputy head of the EU on elected bureaucracy says, looking towards the Republican congressman sitting next to her, that we know soon you will be passing the law to outlaw any hate speech in America. | ||
| And the Republican... | ||
| Former member of the J6 committee nods his head. | ||
| Yep, so if you insult in any way a person of color, you're in jail for five years. | ||
| What level of insults? | ||
| Any. | ||
| But like legitimate criticism, is that cool? | ||
| Five years. | ||
| Like, hey, Tiger Woods could lean into it a little bit more and maybe wouldn't hurt his back. | ||
| Five years in prison. | ||
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No! | |
| Any criticism. | ||
| Constructive criticism. | ||
| Five years in prison. | ||
| This show is fucking stupid. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And so anyway, Alex can barely do the news on his show because it's so big. | ||
| Well, I mean, he's risking five years in prison every time he opens his mouth, if this is true. | ||
| He's going to get life every day. | ||
| The news is so off the chain that... | ||
| I rarely have this happen. | ||
| I'm having trouble doing the show right now, okay? | ||
| I'm like a dog in a butcher shop, and there's all these cuts of meat hanging down, and I'm just like salivating and confused and not even knowing what to do next, because the cuts of meat to me are exposing evil and stopping them, and I don't know how I do this justice. | ||
| I mean, this is just unbelievable. | ||
| What's coming out? | ||
| The Democratic Party is now officially endorsing pedophilia. | ||
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Oh. | |
| Wow. | ||
| So you can't... | ||
| Five years in prison if you criticize a person of color. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And now the Democrats have introduced a bill supporting pedophilia. | ||
| Officially. | ||
| This world is intense. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Thank God it's not real. | ||
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This would be a horrible world to live in. | |
| Who is running things in this Topsy Tour? | ||
| You know, like, this is Mad Hatter levels. | ||
| Klaus Schwab, man. | ||
| No, but I mean, we're talking, this is a crazy person who's like, ah, ha, ha, make fun of a black person and you die! | ||
| Like, what are we doing? | ||
| You just did an amazing Klaus Schwab impression. | ||
| That's probably right. | ||
| Alex has read his book and that's what's in there. | ||
| Yeah, it's a bunch of nonsense. | ||
| So anyway, I just find myself really uninspired by information that Alex has to put out. | ||
| Because if this is the news that's being reported, then what are you doing? | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's so dumb. | ||
| So he brings up the fight between Crowder and the Daily Wire, and I thought, thank God, because I was worried he wasn't going to talk about it, and therefore I would have no way to really transition into talking about it. | ||
| You'd have to shoehorn it in. | ||
| Right, but thankfully Alex does that work for me. | ||
| Nice. | ||
| We have got this. | ||
| Fight that we're hearing between Stephen Crowder and Ben Shapiro. | ||
| And normally that flies below the radar. | ||
| That's not big enough for us to talk about. | ||
| But it's a window into how the control works. | ||
| And I'm on Stephen Crowder's side in all this because I know the inside baseball. | ||
| That said, the Daily Wire has so many good people that are patriots at it, who I like, that I think just the signals goodness of the Liberty Movement. | ||
| is so powerful that even Ben Shapiro and Crenshaw and the rest of them cannot suppress it. | ||
| So I don't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater. | ||
| But if you really want to know what's going on there, I'm going to tell you a little bit later in the hour. | ||
| So this was all I could think about this weekend in terms of preparing a show for us to do. | ||
| I wanted to do an episode about Crowder and this fight because I really do think that it's relevant to the conversation that this podcast is engaged in. | ||
| But I didn't know how to do it unless Alex got involved. | ||
| I mean, if let's... | ||
| One of my favorite DJ Danarchy remixes, Alex explicitly says that God told him to go after Glenn Beck. | ||
| So petty shit is wheelhouse. | ||
| When I first heard about what Crowder was up to, the thought I had immediately was that Alex needed to side with Crowder. | ||
| This is a perfect opportunity for Alex, and there are a number of reasons why, which I'll get to as we go along. | ||
| I realize that many people probably have no idea what Steven Crowder has been doing, so here's a little recap. | ||
| For a while now, Steven has worked for Glenn Beck's network, The Blaze. | ||
| Crowder has a large audience on YouTube, but he's also demonetized on there, and his exclusive membership group, The Mug Club, was run through The Blaze. | ||
| Steven is no longer with The Blaze, but toward the end of his time there, he was apparently entertaining offers for who wanted to buy his whole thing. | ||
| The Daily Wire put in an introductory offer that was very generous, to the tune of $50 million over four years. | ||
| The offer was a starting point in potential negotiations and overall is a pretty standard sounding contract for a lot of the things that even Crowder was complaining about. | ||
| Great. | ||
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Real basic stuff. | |
| Okay. | ||
|
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I know the details of this contract because Jeremy Boring, the head of Daily Wire, decided to reveal it all after being... | |
| Yeah! | ||
| Crowder. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Fuck you, Crowder. | ||
| Also, let's just deal with this up top. | ||
| His last name is boring. | ||
| Real funny. | ||
| Oh, oh. | ||
| I genuinely didn't even make that connection. | ||
| Well, he's boring. | ||
| Anyway, essentially, Stephen misunderstood or intentionally misrepresented various aspects of the offer to make it appear as if the Daily Wire was in bed with big tech and they were doing their bidding. | ||
| For instance, the offer specified that if Stephen got kicked off social media platforms for something he said, his pay would be decreased. | ||
| Obviously, this makes sense, because the company would be making less money as a result of the ban, and they're a business. | ||
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Right. | |
| They take a hit, and so does Stephen. | ||
| In Stephen's mind, this was the Daily Wire saying that Big Tech, hey, we'll do your job for you. | ||
| We'll punish Stephen on your behalf. | ||
| Like, they're in cahoots with social media moderators trying to decrease Stephen's salary. | ||
| To me, it sounds more like if you had put in a contract, like, if you hit Dave in the foot with your car, you have to pay to fix Dave's foot. | ||
| Well, now you're just doing Big Pharma's job for them by saying that I have to pay for his foot. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| You're right. | ||
| I'm on Crowder's side here. | ||
| Jeremy Boring goes over in great detail these clauses in the contract, and it makes total sense. | ||
| I mean, the essential aspect of it is we're paying a lot of money. | ||
| To invest in you. | ||
| And we need to make money back. | ||
| And so the places we're going to make money back are advertising on YouTube, advertising on social media, and stuff like this. | ||
| These are the places that we're going to make it back. | ||
| Now, if you are no longer able to use those things, then we can't make that money back, and we're not going to hold the entire bag. | ||
| We'll split that with you. | ||
| We'll split the responsibility, but your pay will go down a little bit. | ||
| It's not a punishment. | ||
| It's just a reality of business, and it makes total sense. | ||
| If you make less money, then we make less money. | ||
| I feel like then you should get paid less, and it makes sense to me. | ||
| Yeah, it's very fundamental stuff. | ||
| I'm getting ahead of myself a little bit, though. | ||
| So this offer was actually sent a while back. | ||
| It's only now becoming an issue, which I will play a clip from Jeremy Boring's video and let him explain it. | ||
| We reach out to the agent and we say that. | ||
| We'd like to have a conversation with Stephen, kind of get into the details of what's he looking for? | ||
| What's he looking for financially? | ||
| What's he looking for in terms of structure? | ||
| What would make his life better? | ||
| What would make him happy? | ||
| He's got this opportunity now to have a next chapter. | ||
| What's he want that next chapter to be? | ||
| And Stephen's agent... | ||
| We're not going to have a conversation. | ||
| We're not going to have some abstract talk. | ||
| Send us an offer. | ||
| Tell us how much money you're willing to pay. | ||
| And he gave us an indication of what the minimum number would have to be in order to even have a discussion with Stephen. | ||
| And it's a big number. | ||
| So we talked about it internally, and we decided, yeah, we should do that. | ||
| We should send over an opening offer, a non-binding term sheet that takes a stab at what we think that... | ||
| That minimum number is going to be to get the conversation started so that we can sit down with Stephen so that we can see if there's a deal that would be good for him and good for us. | ||
| And that's what we did. | ||
| We put together the term sheet. | ||
| We sent it over. | ||
| And we asked if we could get on the phone and have a conversation with Stephen. | ||
| So this is all very sensible from a business perspective. | ||
| This is what people do. | ||
| Ultimately, they couldn't reach a deal because Crowder wanted a fuck ton of money. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Then, months later, Stephen reached back out. | ||
| Oh, no! | ||
| Yeah, so here's that. | ||
| Hat in hand! | ||
| Well, not really. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Stephen implied that he... | ||
| Not only didn't like this $12.5 million a year number that I offered him, but that he thought it should be closer to $30 million a year. | ||
| That's $120 million over four years just for Stephen's show. | ||
| I would still have to spend those tens of millions of dollars every year that I told you about on things like marketing and infrastructure and technology to support the show, the part that Stephen's never done. | ||
| As soon as he said that, I knew we'll never get to a deal. | ||
| I can't guarantee $30 million a year. | ||
| I don't know how you can guarantee 12.5. | ||
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I feel like we're having the wrong conversation here. | |
| $120 million is an incalculable risk for a company our size. | ||
| And again, I'm not saying Stephen isn't worth it. | ||
| I hope he is. | ||
| I hope he builds his own business. | ||
| He'll make a ton of mistakes. | ||
| He'll find out that he's wrong about a lot of how the business world works. | ||
| He'll learn and he'll grow because he's a smart, talented guy. | ||
| And I hope he gets to a place where he's proving me wrong and he's making all that money. | ||
| But that just was not a deal that the Daily Wire could possibly make. | ||
| And we'd have to pay it even if he lost all the revenue? | ||
| Or even if he lost enormous chunks of the revenue? | ||
| It was just an impossible situation. | ||
| And so Stephen said, we're going to throw this deal out. | ||
| Not even going to mark it up. | ||
| Not going to negotiate it. | ||
| So real quick, what he's saying there, if he loses all the revenue, another part of the deal that Stephen took issue with was that if all of your sponsors, or a certain amount, enough of your sponsors leave, and we can't replace them within 90 days, then you lose a certain amount of the money that you're going to get from this contract, which again, makes sense. | ||
| And that Stephen said was a, him just saying, Daily Wire saying to the left, hey, boycotts work! | ||
| It does feel like what's really going on is Steven is saying, I want you to give me all the money and take all the risk. | ||
| And all my money is guaranteed no matter what. | ||
| I want no skin in the game. | ||
| I don't want to have to work hard. | ||
| I don't want anything to make me do anything. | ||
| I want a hammock. | ||
| What if I just did a five-minute show? | ||
| You would still have to pay me $120 million. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I want... | ||
| Everything. | ||
| I mean, come on, buddy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Start over, send me a new deal. | ||
| And because of his talent, and because of our friendship, I thought about it for a minute. | ||
| Talked to my partners about it for a few minutes. | ||
| And I just realized what I already knew in my heart, which is, Stephen's not a team player. | ||
| That's not a knock. | ||
| He has an enormous individual talent. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Who thinks this? | ||
| So I called him up. | ||
| I said, hey, we're not going to send a follow-up offer. | ||
| Wanted you to hear it directly from me, not from lawyers and agents. | ||
| I said, but the kind of deal you're looking for is not the kind of deal that we can make. | ||
| He was super gracious, appreciative, kind. | ||
| We agreed to continue forward as we always had as friends. | ||
| We do favors for each other. | ||
| I told him, if you stay at the blaze or if you go off on your own, go to Rumble, go wherever, we're going to continue to write stories about you and promote you and have you on. | ||
| We want you to be as successful as humanly possible, and we want to contribute to that. | ||
| And we went our separate ways. | ||
| And months went by. | ||
| October goes by. | ||
| November goes by. | ||
| December goes by. | ||
| And then a week ago, in January, Stephen called me. | ||
| And he said, hey man, I can't unsee this contract that you sent me. | ||
| Well, it's not a contract. | ||
| It's a non-binding term sheet. | ||
| It's a conversation starter, but okay. | ||
| And he told me his perspective on it, that we were not paying him what he's worth. | ||
| That we don't understand his great business mind and that it's going to go exactly the way that he thinks and we're all going to be proven wrong. | ||
| I said, again, I hope that's true, Stephen, but that's not a risk I can take. | ||
| And then he said, and you're just an enforcer for big tech. | ||
| You're hurting young talent. | ||
| I said, well, Stephen, first of all, no two talent in our company have the same deal. | ||
| Every deal is different because there's different circumstances. | ||
| This is the kind of deal you make to protect a nine-figure... | ||
| Investment. | ||
| You can't pay nine figures in expenses, even if the revenue dries up. | ||
| That isn't possible. | ||
| It's not prudent, but it also isn't possible. | ||
| And he wouldn't let it go. | ||
| He was very angry. | ||
| And I got very flustered. | ||
| I didn't expect him to be calling and laying into me the way he was. | ||
| I'd never experienced it before. | ||
| I didn't make the best defense of the deal that I probably could have because I was... | ||
| So caught off guard. | ||
| I mean, I made a decent defense of the structure of it, but I was really taken aback. | ||
| This was a setup. | ||
| Steven called back and was recording the call, pretending to be mad about the offer on behalf of other creators so he could play cherry-picked parts of it on his show. | ||
| Motherfucker! | ||
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Yeah. | |
| What? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No! | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| That's fucking bullshit! | ||
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Yep. | |
| Is that even legal? | ||
| In Texas it is. | ||
| One party consent state. | ||
| Sons of... | ||
| That's... | ||
| You know what? | ||
| I'm starting to think this Crowder guy... | ||
| Not a good dude. | ||
| Little shady. | ||
| Little shady. | ||
| He played a clip of Boring saying that young talent at the Daily Wire needed to be wage slaves for a while, which is kind of tasteless, but it isn't really offensive if you're conservative and you're super into the free market and all that stuff. | ||
| Aren't you supposed to be like, ooh, a boss who tells me like it is? | ||
| I would love to be a wage slave for you, sir. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Anyway, here's the point. | ||
| Stephen's deal was ending at the Blaze, and it seems like they weren't interested in paying him what he was asking to renew the deal. | ||
| If I had to guess, it might have been because his actual numbers weren't as good as Steven thinks they are. | ||
| The investment wasn't worth it, so they passed. | ||
| Needing a new home, Steven tried to play hardball with the Daily Wire months back and it didn't work. | ||
| Without proof of his draw, they couldn't justify paying him what he demanded and Steven probably wasn't able to provide them with any numbers since he admitted that all that stuff was handled by the Blaze and it's unclear if they even knew about the negotiations since he was a Oh, boy. | ||
| months back, Stephen thought he could find a new place to make a huge guaranteed chunk of money free from any market pressures, but it didn't work out. | ||
| And now guess what? | ||
| There are no other options. | ||
| He isn't going to make that kind of money anywhere else, other than maybe Fox News, and I don't think he's quite their brand. | ||
| They already have their funny guy. | ||
| They don't need him. | ||
| They've got, what, Gutfeld? | ||
| Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. | ||
| He's Fox News funny. | ||
| The Fox Newsiest of funny men. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, Stephen decided to call Boring, pretended to be upset, so he could record the call and start a big public feud. | ||
| It was clearly a calculated move, and the idea, obviously, was to try to poach some of the Daily Wire's audience, presumably drawing them to Stephen's independent operation that he's going to now have to figure out how to get off the ground. | ||
| This past week has been when the big reveal has happened, and Stephen has done some pieces on his show about this whole mess. | ||
| Jeremy Boring put out his response video explaining the offer in minute detail for an hour. | ||
| It does appear that it is very, very, very thorough. | ||
| And then Stephen released a little bit of his phone call, and now here we are. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Make no mistake about this. | ||
| None of this means anything. | ||
| I'm furious. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The Daily Wire will continue to exist. | ||
| Stephen Crowder will continue to be a rich bigot somehow, and everyone will move on. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| However, underneath this drama, there are a couple of points that make it critically important for Alex if he wants to profit from this. | ||
| The first thing I saw that he needed to do was side with Crowder, and it's a good thing he jumped on that. | ||
| The Daily Wire doesn't want shit to do with Alex, and all the hosts on there probably or definitely hate him. | ||
| Alex isn't going to be talking with Jordan Peterson, Ben Shapiro, or Matt Walsh anytime soon, and Candace Owens may have been on InfoWars in the past, but her brand is way bigger now. | ||
| Siding with these people is a waste, whereas Crowder still has Alex on his show. | ||
| That's where Alex's bread is buttered, but... | ||
| It introduces other problems that we'll get to as we go along. | ||
| As time goes along. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I see. | ||
| So Alex says he's got the inside baseball. | ||
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Right. | |
| And he's going to provide everybody with the deets. | ||
| If I understand correctly, one more time, this is a reasonable job offer according to these people involved. | ||
| And ultimately... | ||
| Fairly generous in terms of like four weeks off a year. | ||
| That's what I'm thinking. | ||
| Millions and millions of dollars. | ||
| And the only downside conceivably is that you're going to get in trouble if the revenue streams get knocked. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If you stop making money, you'll stop making money. | ||
| Oh no! | ||
| Oh no! | ||
| What fresh hell is this? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Okay, so a job offer that got turned down and now we're fighting like terrible, terrible whiners. | ||
| Yes, but I think that there's a reason why. | ||
| And just to give you a little bit of a 30,000 foot view of where I'm coming from, this right wing community relies on a bit of fighting. | ||
| Right. | ||
| There's tension and drama that ends up fueling a lot of stuff. | ||
| And so the idea of Crowder getting into a beef with Daily Wire makes total sense. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| It is something that can raise both ships. | ||
| Rat beef. | ||
| Attention will be given to both. | ||
| They can both come out better for it. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| The problem is he picked the wrong thing to make the beef about. | ||
| The beef being about, first of all, contracts, and second of all, money, touches on things that the right-wing media ecosystem cannot engage with. | ||
| They don't want to talk about it. | ||
| Because as soon as they do, it starts to open up a can of worms that you were even talking about. | ||
| Like, how's he going to afford $12 million a year? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Where is this money coming from? | ||
| How much fucking money do you assholes make? | ||
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Right. | |
| What? | ||
| What the fuck? | ||
| Yeah, it introduces these questions of this gigantic amount of money and are you making a return on your investment or are you all subsidized by billionaires and taking a loss on this because they want to push a certain social messaging? | ||
| Do you guys matter or are you just the mouthpieces of money? | ||
| Right. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And so Crowder, I don't know if he understood that that was what he was stepping into, but because of that, this is not a normal generating attention feud for both sides. | ||
| No. | ||
| This is something else entirely different. | ||
| Their stakes. | ||
| And a perfect place that Alex could capitalize if he knows what he's doing. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| This is where Alex could strike and destroy right-wing media. | ||
| He could create a Dark Avengers. | ||
| With one fell swoop, Alex Jones is both the enemy and savior of mankind. | ||
| No, no, he wouldn't be. | ||
| He could make a little bit of money on the drama if he wanted to. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| And I will discuss a great idea for how he could do that later in this episode. | ||
| Why can't we do it? | ||
| Is there a way for us to defeat right-wing media? | ||
| I don't think we could just wander in there. | ||
| It wouldn't defeat, though. | ||
| No. | ||
| It would just be like, you'd be able to create your own... | ||
| I don't want that. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| So Alex gets into this a little bit, and I don't know, but his take is really just whatever Crowder told him. | ||
| So I guess with a few minutes left in this segment, I'll just go ahead and hit the Ben Shapiro thing, because I've been ignoring it the last four or five days. | ||
| I knew exactly what was going on, but I've had a chance to talk to the Crowder folks, and so I can give you the analysis, because I confirmed what I already knew was going on was going on, but I didn't want to go there until I checked if my analysis was correct. | ||
| Crowder is as good as it gets, a real patriot American, and he loves the country, and he's a really smart, reasonable guy. | ||
| He left the blaze because he was like 80% of their money. | ||
| He was almost being paid nothing. | ||
| Then when he went and interviewed with the people over at Ben Shapiro's operation, the Daily Wire, they sent him the contracts that said, we're going to control everything you say, control whatever you do, and we'll withdraw your funds and you're tied in for five years no matter what if you get censored by big tech, essentially making big tech his boss. | ||
| Then he just criticized them on air without saying their names, so some of them attacked him, so he released recordings of them basically admitting that, and his issue was he didn't take the deal. | ||
| Because he's not going to be shackled, but he's really concerned about them controlling the conservative movement with all the other people they've got locked in these contracts. | ||
| So he's concern-trolling, basically pretending to be concerned about these other people. | ||
| This is not what Alex should be doing. | ||
| No. | ||
| He's just taking shit that Crowder told him and repeating it as fact, more or less being a mouthpiece for Crowder as opposed to being an Alex who's siding with Crowder and exploiting him, which is what Alex should be doing. | ||
| I don't understand why he's not looking out for Alex. | ||
| Alex, which is always, oh man, this is stupid. | ||
| So apparently Crowder told Alex that he left Blaze because he was 80% of their money, but that doesn't quite track with this from Boring's video. | ||
| And he listened for a little bit and he said, well, you're just wrong. | ||
| You don't know anything about business. | ||
| My business model is the right business model. | ||
| Oh boy. | ||
| And of course that's unfair. | ||
| What a piece of shit. | ||
| Steven hasn't run this part of a business before. | ||
| Steven likes to say, I'm only on the air because of Mug Club. | ||
| But Steven couldn't tell me how many subscribers he had. | ||
| I said, how many subscribers do you have at the place? | ||
| He said, I don't know. | ||
| They don't tell me. | ||
| And I'm sure that's true. | ||
| He said, but I'm confident. | ||
| I guarantee you it'll be $350,000 on day one with no marketing. | ||
| I hope that's true. | ||
| But I can't take that risk. | ||
| Of course you can't. | ||
| Are you telling me that 350K people is worth $12.5 million now? | ||
| I don't think that's true. | ||
| But they're subscribing at a monthly rate and whatever. | ||
| But that's only one part of it. | ||
| They'd also be able to monetize other content that they create. | ||
| So, yeah, I don't exactly understand exactly how the money works out, but that's day one. | ||
| Presumably there'd be even more. | ||
| But also, that's just a made-up number that Steven's throwing around because he has no idea how many subscribers he has because the Blaze doesn't tell him. | ||
| I will say this. | ||
| That is something I didn't know in advance. | ||
| I didn't know he didn't know how many subscribers he had. | ||
| See, that means that that man, I will say, is coming in With some truck nuts. | ||
| He's got a pair trailing behind him. | ||
| Well, he has probably a sense... | ||
| Asking for $12.5 million or more! | ||
| He probably has a sense of how many subscribers he has based on him knowing how many YouTube subscribers he has. | ||
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Sure, sure, sure. | |
| He has a really large YouTube channel and Jeremy Boring even really lays out exactly what the business model is, which is you do your show on YouTube where you... | ||
| are a little edgy and what have you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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And then you advertise that you go behind the paywall, and that's where we can say the things that they won't let us say here. | |
| Of course. | ||
| You say the more extreme shit there. | ||
| Right. | ||
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And you try and funnel people from this YouTube to the pay section. | |
| Right. | ||
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And... | |
| So if you're trying to assess that maybe there's 300,000 people who subscribe to his thing, I would have to assume he's taking it as some kind of an equation from, well, maybe a third or a quarter of the people. | ||
| I mean, I'm sure he has millions of subscribers on YouTube. | ||
| But some percentage of that will follow along. | ||
| Maybe that's true, maybe it's not. | ||
| We'll see. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Again, without the numbers in my hand, I wouldn't be going, see, because that's the way I always negotiated whenever I was working in real places. | ||
| I would be like, here's what I know about me, which equivalents, this is what I'm worth. | ||
| And I don't expect me to have the numbers, but I would expect Jeremy Boring to have the numbers if they were opening up a negotiation. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| So anyway, to be clear, I hate the Daily Wire and Jeremy Boring sucks. | ||
| But I definitely believe his side of the story way more for a number of reasons. | ||
| The first and most important reason is that his story makes sense, whereas Stevens does not. | ||
| Stevens' actions and motivations don't make sense if you take them at his word, whereas Boring's explanation of the contract and the timeline are sane, rational sequences of events. | ||
| And here, I feel like Stephen definitely doesn't know how many subscribers he has. | ||
| If he did, and the number was as high as he's claiming, he would use that to his advantage in the context of negotiation. | ||
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That's how it works. | |
| It could only help make the case for his demand for higher pay, so the fact that he doesn't cite it can only really mean that he doesn't know, or he does know, and it's way lower than you'd think. | ||
| Beyond that, Alex is wrong about what the offer the Daily Wire sent included. | ||
| He's just parroting Crowder. | ||
| It is true that Stephen... | ||
| Stephen didn't name Daily Wire in the first video he did, but I don't think that's to his credit. | ||
| After Stephen did his first piece, Boring came out and did his response, and the reason for that makes total sense. | ||
| Everyone knew Crowder was talking about them, and they have a business to protect. | ||
| Daily Wire subscribers were worried that what Crowder was saying was correct, and if left unanswered... | ||
| people might assume it was correct and that could cut into their profits. | ||
| Sure. | ||
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Essentially, they would have to accept Crowder's framing of things when it's obvious he's talking about them. | |
| What other business is there that might have been able to afford this kind of a deal to hire? | ||
| After that... | ||
| All of the Daily Wire hosts began to shit on Crowder. | ||
| All of his presumed allies like Candace Owens and Matt Walsh hit back pretty hard, and there's a good reason for it. | ||
| For one thing, Crowder's behavior is much like a sneaky snake. | ||
| Perhaps more importantly, though, by saying that the Daily Wire's contract is tantamount to him becoming a slave to big tech... | ||
| He's implicitly calling out everyone who's under contract at the Daily Wire. | ||
| He's boasting of his principles and not signing this deal, which by extension is a condemnation of the people who did. | ||
| And that's not good. | ||
| You're stabbing all your friends in the back. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| And the problem is it seems like he's doing it with the angle towards once again returning to those ranks with all the money. | ||
| Like, the idea for him is to eventually go back into that world and work for the Blaze or the Daily Wire or somebody. | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| But somebody will give him millions on millions of dollars. | ||
| He's not going to go out and do his own thing now. | ||
| I think he's trying to go out and do his own thing now. | ||
| Well, yeah, but clearly he's bad at it. | ||
| Yes, and I don't think it would be his first choice. | ||
| Obviously, he's somebody who likes to get a check from somebody. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And the idea of running your own entire thing is... | ||
| Probably difficult, which is why this is a perfect opportunity for Alex. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Get him onto band.tv, baby. | ||
| Well, I don't think that's going to work, and I'll explain why later. | ||
| But Alex has some thoughts about how much money Stephen wanted, and this is so stupid. | ||
| Well, the lawyers and, you know, folks over there that are really smart. | ||
| They made it all about Crowder not wanting $50 million when it was never about the money. | ||
| And let me explain something. | ||
| I know Crowder's bandwidth costs. | ||
| I've had discussions with him and his crew quite a few times. | ||
| We're friends. | ||
| I go up there quite a bit. | ||
| He comes down here. | ||
| I know our bandwidth costs. | ||
| It's $10 million over five years. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| $10 million or $50 million over five years. | ||
| So that's only $10 million a year. | ||
| Their bandwidth costs is in the millions of dollars a year. | ||
| Their legal costs, their crew, all of that. | ||
| I guarantee you, under that deal, Steven Crowder will be paid about $500,000, $600,000 a year, maybe. | ||
| What? | ||
| Steven wouldn't be paying bandwidth costs? | ||
| What are you talking about? | ||
| Alex only has that expense because he started running Band.Video, and he made the critical error of hosting hours upon hours of videos made by lunatics who get, like, 60 views. | ||
| Previously, Steven's content would have been hosted by The Blaze, and now, if this went through, it would be by The Daily Wire. | ||
| They aren't going to make Steven... | ||
| Hey, bandwidth costs? | ||
| Yeah, I understand what Alex is trying to do. | ||
| He's trying to be like, okay, you've got sticker shock. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| You think, oh, Steven Crowder makes $50 million, so he's not one of the people anymore. | ||
| And the answer is, of fucking course not, but I can't tell you that. | ||
| Also, Daily Wire covers legal. | ||
| That's part of the deal. | ||
| I'm sure Steven would want to maintain personal representation for some matters, but Daily Wire isn't going to spend millions of dollars a year on a marquee talent and then be like, you're on your own with legal stuff. | ||
| They have an investment to protect in him, and also, Alex might have a skewed version of how much legal bills cost. | ||
| He's probably spending at least $20-30 million a year on legal bills. | ||
| That's regular for us guys, right? | ||
| He's applying his own troubles. | ||
| To someone who would not be dealing with bandwidth costs or millions and millions of dollars of legal fees and a billion dollar judgment against them. | ||
| Now, admittedly, if you have the type of troubles that he does, I imagine it's tough to look past them at the rest of the world with clear eyes. | ||
| True. | ||
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| Those are pretty big troubles. | ||
| And it's impossible to relate, I guess. | ||
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| So Alex had some advice for Stephen, and I think that this is interesting, and unfortunately it's never going to work. | ||
| He never made it about the money. | ||
| In fact, the money offers went up when he started to balk. | ||
| He said, no, no, no. | ||
| This is not about the money. | ||
| It's about I'll be totally controlled by you arbitrarily if I go take this deal with you and bring all these people to you when we know Crowder was making Glenn Beck conservatively $50 million a year. | ||
| So, of course, the folks at Daily Wire say, oh, you're leaving Glenn Beck because you're only getting a few million dollars a year and can't even pay your bills. | ||
| That's the truth about Crowder. | ||
| Giant audience should be making 50 million a year gross. | ||
| To be able to pay all the bills and all the rest of it. | ||
| It's gross. | ||
| And I told Crowder, go to a direct sales model and leave all these people and then sell products so you make 50-60% on it and be free of them. | ||
| Sell water filters. | ||
| Sell vitamins. | ||
| People want those. | ||
| They want to buy it from Whole Foods. | ||
| They want to buy it from Walgreens. | ||
| They want to buy it from you. | ||
| Sell gun accessories. | ||
| Sell tactical gear. | ||
| Sell storable food. | ||
| I said, I will tell you how to do the whole deal. | ||
| He does limericks. | ||
| And Crowder's like, well, I don't like to market stuff. | ||
| I don't like to go push stuff. | ||
| I just want to do my show. | ||
| He does a lot of preparation. | ||
| That guy works hard. | ||
| I'm like, okay, well if you want your freedom, that's what you gotta do. | ||
| And you could be bigger than Infowars ever was if you just go with the model of running your own operation, and then you could hire people and do what Daily Wire did, what I tried to do, but they came after us and attacked us and shut us down before we went to launch. | ||
| I built all this to be 24 hours a day, have a bunch of hosts in here, and not control what they say as long as they're patriots. | ||
| You can't handle the shows you have. | ||
| I know. | ||
| This is ridiculous. | ||
| Don't add more. | ||
| Anyway, here's where Alex needs to be. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He needs to black pill Crowder on working with anyone, so he starts to run out of money, and he gets... | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Probably doesn't seem like an attractive option yet. | ||
| But if he goes long enough without a deal and no one paying him with no YouTube monetization, it could look better and better over time to go to Infowars and go to a direct sales model. | ||
| Now, if he doesn't want to deal with all that... | ||
| Guess who does? | ||
| Alex. | ||
| You betcha. | ||
| Alex already has the infrastructure. | ||
| He has a soap limerick guy. | ||
| He has a water guy. | ||
| He has a storable food guy. | ||
| Take care of all that for you, baby. | ||
| Here's what Alex has to do. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He has to interject himself into any conversation with Steven Crowder. | ||
| Make it look like he is right next to Steven. | ||
| Like, it's him and Crowder against the world. | ||
| He has to be, by associating himself with Crowder, so toxic that Crowder has no choice but to then associate back with Alex Jones. | ||
| Well, that's one part of it. | ||
| The other part of it is make sure that he doesn't. | ||
| Make any deals. | ||
| No, he can't make any money. | ||
| He's got to go broke. | ||
| Well, yeah, or at least, like, don't take that $12 million a year deal. | ||
| Encourage that line of thinking in Steven so he doesn't find somewhere else to land. | ||
| And it's critical. | ||
| This is the mistake that Alex is making. | ||
| You can't make Steven's arguments. | ||
| Like, you need to be on his side, but you can't just be making his arguments because they're nonsense. | ||
| You need to rise above it a little bit. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| That's what I'm not seeing him doing. | ||
| No. | ||
| If he could manage to do that and break Crowder somehow subtly, whether by negligence or by bad influence, get him to the point where he's desperate enough to come to InfoWars. | ||
| You got yourself exactly what you need there, Alex. | ||
| You got a guy who's young enough that he's got years ahead of him. | ||
| He sucks, but some people like him. | ||
| He's both incredibly lazy and incredibly ambitious. | ||
| And he is his own thing, for better or worse. | ||
| Owen Troyer doesn't really have a persona outside of the Cuck Destroyer. | ||
| Pretending to be Alex. | ||
| Yeah, he's doing an Alex impression. | ||
| Harrison Smith is a zero. | ||
| Zero. | ||
| Nobody else in-house has, like, juice. | ||
| At least Steven Crowder for, like, as much as he sucks. | ||
| Has some juice. | ||
| Yeah, nobody's watching Harrison Smith's Nazi librarian hour. | ||
| I mean, you've got to really break him down, you know, and just turn him against everyone. | ||
| You've got to blackpill him. | ||
| But the way to do it is the not having a boss. | ||
| That's the only way to do it. | ||
| You gotta have Crowder's mind. | ||
| The idea of working for any corporate person at all has to be the worst thing in the world. | ||
| He worked for Glenn Beck! | ||
| Exactly! | ||
| Now it's gotta be I'm against it. | ||
| I'm against the whole business. | ||
| We'll get to that. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Because I do have a model for that. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But anyway, Alex has got a black pillow. | ||
| So Alex gets off the topic for a little bit, but he's still kind of talking about it behind the scenes kind of subtly. | ||
| You know what they call Alex? | ||
| Well, they call him the Texan in the Trump White House. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| They also call him the Mad Prophet. | ||
| What? | ||
| Information war. | ||
| And I don't say this to make myself sound big. | ||
| In fact, it gives me chills of concern. | ||
| But I'm seen by the globalists as the Mad Prophet of the worldwide populist movement. | ||
| They've called me that on CNN, Time Magazine, the Atlantic Monthly. | ||
| They've said he's the Wild Prophet. | ||
| That brought in Trump and brought in all this stuff. | ||
| And everybody gets the credit. | ||
| A whole bunch of people, hundreds of millions of folks put up this resistance this way. | ||
| Long before I was born, people were fighting it. | ||
| My dad was 14, 15 years old every Saturday driving two hours to Dallas from his farm to give anti-communist speeches on the radio because he gave such good ones locally. | ||
| just off what he read in the John Birch Society stuff. | ||
| And, I mean, it's in the blood, folks. | ||
| I think that most people calling Alex the Mad Prophet are making fun of him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Also, Alex's dad was deeply into the John Birch Society, and we gotta give Alex's mom's dad some credit here. | ||
| But also remember, Alex's mom's dad was almost LBJ's personal assassin. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, that's fun. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, and then maybe his grandfather on the one side was a Nazi. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And they're all Confederate royalty. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So they're good. | ||
| What's in the blood is not what I want to have them continue spreading about. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| No, thank you. | ||
| Not great blood. | ||
| No, no, no, no, no. | ||
| So Alex has a little metaphor here about how they're winning against the globalists. | ||
| All right, and so I need your prayer first and foremost, and America needs your prayer. | ||
| Because listen. | ||
| We are really kicking the globalists' butts right now. | ||
| If this was a wrestling match right now, we got them pinned to the ground and their face shoved in the ground. | ||
| The problem is they can sit there and piss themselves, crap themselves is the analogy I'd use, and start a nuclear war. | ||
| I think that if someone shit themselves and then started a nuclear war, that would be called for a disqualification in the match. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Also, if you have someone pinned down and their face pinned down, you don't have them pinned. | ||
| In a wrestling match, you need to have a person's shoulders pinned down, and that's going to be really difficult to achieve while you also have their head facing down. | ||
| That's more of a submission lock. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| This is a bad metaphor, is what I'm saying. | ||
| It's a bad metaphor for a lot of things. | ||
| You bet. | ||
| But especially if... | ||
| If I understand correctly, the metaphor is we're defeating the globalists, but by defeating them, we have lost. | ||
| Because they'll shit themselves and start a nuclear war. | ||
| Because they'll shit themselves and kill us all. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Good, good stuff. | ||
| I mean, this is interesting on one level, but I mostly also played it to bring up that at the Royal Rumble next Saturday. | ||
| Oh, that's right. | ||
| Bray Wyatt is going to be facing L.A. Knight in a pitch black match brought to you by Mountain Dew. | ||
| Wait, pitch black? | ||
| I don't know what it means. | ||
| No one knows what it means. | ||
| It can't possibly be in the dark. | ||
| It can't possibly be in the dark. | ||
| That's not how things... | ||
| It can't. | ||
| It can't. | ||
| Maybe the lights go out periodically or something. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's like a cartoon. | ||
| All the lights go out and you just hear... | ||
| And then the lights come back on and Bray Wyatt's standing over. | ||
| I'm like, hey, what a great match. | ||
| Now, it should be noted that I'm still suspicious about Uncle Howdy. | ||
| Still worried. | ||
| You said that you were feeling better about Uncle Howdy at one point. | ||
| You texted me. | ||
| No, I didn't. | ||
| Oh, no, you said you were still worried about Uncle Howdy. | ||
| Still worried. | ||
| Never have gotten not worried. | ||
| But on Smackdown this past Friday, the Firefly Funhouse came back with all the puppets. | ||
| And Bray very much... | ||
| It seems like maybe The Fiend is coming back. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So now we'll have The Fiend and Uncle Howdy. | ||
| It's a crowded house of weirdness. | ||
| Yeah, that's gonna be a pitch black match. | ||
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I'm worried. | |
| Yeah, that's not good. | ||
| But I'll be watching it. | ||
| Very excited to see what nonsense happens. | ||
| Of course! | ||
| So anyway, Alex is gonna non-violently gouge out the eyes of his enemies. | ||
| He's gonna non-violently do a bunch of really violent things. | ||
| Yeah, I was gonna say, that's... | ||
| This is upsetting. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| And so now we're in a real fight with the global controllers, all right? | ||
| I mean, we got their attention. | ||
| We are beating the hell out of them. | ||
| We're politically, nonviolently, breaking their ribs, gouging out their eyeballs, pulling out their teeth, slamming their head to concrete, okay? | ||
| Now, the problem is they got bioweapons, labs everywhere. | ||
| They got nuclear weapons. | ||
| They got armies of scum that work for them, pedophiles, devil-worshippers, degenerates, and they're really thinking about turning it all loose and causing a giant global civil war and a collapse. | ||
| The good news is they were going to do that regardless. | ||
| Oh, what? | ||
| Now we're going to force them to do it on our terms, and we're going to win. | ||
| But I got to tell you, it ain't going to be pretty, okay? | ||
| It's not going to be pretty. | ||
| All right. | ||
| I'm just going to tell you this. | ||
| I'm very angry. | ||
| Because if this is the case, all right, that you are essentially, that the patriots are beating the globalists to death. | ||
| Nonviolently slamming their head in the concrete. | ||
| Sure, whatever that means. | ||
| So they're doing that, but it's a bad idea because the globalists are going to kill everybody. | ||
| But! | ||
| They were going to kill everybody anyways. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So if this is the situation... | ||
| They're forcing the globalists' hands. | ||
| He's basically saying we are accelerationists. | ||
| This is a terrible plan! | ||
| This is a terrible plan. | ||
| If you are this weak compared to your enemy, you gotta take them by surprise. | ||
| The patriot movement at this point should all pretend that they've given everything up, sneak their way into the halls of power, and then metaphorically do whatever that stuff whenever the globalists don't have their finger on the button of murdering everybody. | ||
| This is a terrible plan. | ||
| Let me put you at ease. | ||
| None of this is real. | ||
| What? | ||
| Alex is just making shit up. | ||
| So anyway, the next ten years, though, gonna be fucking bad. | ||
| According to Alex. | ||
| The next decade. | ||
| I mean, that's not a difficult prediction to make. | ||
| I'm gonna be 60 years old before anything settles down. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But I can offer you nothing but hell in the next ten years. | ||
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Nothing but absolute hell. | |
| That's what I offer you. | ||
| Reality. | ||
| So that you're on your feet and you know it's coming when it comes. | ||
| So you're not in your bed sucking your thumbs when these people hit. | ||
| Because if you think getting in a catatonic position like a baby and curling up in a ball is going to protect you, I got news for you, it ain't. | ||
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You understand? | |
| These people are devil-worshipping pedophiles. | ||
| And they've got their operatives everywhere who... | ||
| Are spiritually ignited and spiritually energized against us. | ||
| And they're in the banks. | ||
| They're in the police departments. | ||
| They're in the law firms. | ||
| They're in the universities. | ||
| They're in the schools. | ||
| They're everywhere. | ||
| They're everywhere. | ||
| And they look just like you. | ||
| A plumber working a 12-hour day. | ||
| A farmer working a 12-hour day. | ||
| These people cannot hide in a manual job. | ||
| They can never hack it, never do it. | ||
| Thomas Jefferson said he studied all the different types of people. | ||
| He'd been all over Europe. | ||
| Very learned man. | ||
| No. | ||
| He was in college when he was, you know, 12, 13 years old. | ||
| He did not say this. | ||
| And he said nobody's better than the farmers. | ||
| And back then they didn't call them ranchers. | ||
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The ranchers. | |
| He said the best people are the farmers. | ||
| And the hardest working, most successful farmers are the best people. | ||
| And they should run things, not lawyers. | ||
| And it's true. | ||
| So there's a fake Jefferson quote that he's sort of hearkening to, and that is, I would rather be judged by 12 farmers than 12 scholars. | ||
| Jefferson never said that. | ||
| It actually traces back to something Glenn Beck said in 2009 when he was on Jay Leno. | ||
| Great. | ||
| Great. | ||
| All of Alex's quotes are fake. | ||
| Thomas Jefferson liked scholars. | ||
| It's an interesting development that apparently manual laborers can't be evil because evil people wouldn't be able to cut it in that hard of a job. | ||
| I've not heard Alex express this before, and it's also really dumb. | ||
| You can find plenty of farmers, plumbers, and other manual laborers who have committed horrible crimes, just as you can find people in any field who do awful shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's kind of hard not to hear this as a dog whistle, though. | ||
| Traditionally, anti-Semitic demagogues have painted Jewish people as being unable or unwilling to do hard work, preferring to live off the sweat of others. | ||
| In a vacuum, the stuff Alex is saying could possibly be taken as a sentiment of admiration for manual laborers, but given all the other context of his show and where he gets his ideas from, I can't hear this as anything other than coded anti-Semitism. | ||
| There are evil people in the banks and the schools and the government, but there aren't any in man. | ||
| Manual labor, because Jews don't do manual labor, is essentially how this comes off in the context of his crypto ideas. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I mean, obviously this is a brilliant thing to say about the insights of the world that can only be understood by Alex Jones. | ||
| But what he apparently does not get is that, based on this concept, the only people he should really like... | ||
| Are immigrants coming over and doing manual labor jobs, working 12 plus hours per day? | ||
| Right, and the person who shouldn't like is the dumb fuck who gets on the air, sells dumb supplements by making shit up about headlines for three hours a day. | ||
| Yeah, I kind of think that he might be lying. | ||
| Yeah, I think he's making stuff up, and there's a little bit of a subtle anti-Semitic ideology that I do think penetrates this a little bit. | ||
| Oh no, that's definitely there. | ||
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Yep. | |
| So Alex has an idea for the vision of the world that I think is stupid. | ||
| He said the best people are the farmers. | ||
| That's Jefferson. | ||
| And the hardest working, most successful farmers are the best people, and they should run things, not lawyers. | ||
| And it's true. | ||
| Can you imagine if the Amish ran things, what it would be like? | ||
| But see, they don't want to run things. | ||
| That's why they're good. | ||
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What? | |
| Alex would fucking hate living in a world run by the Amish. | ||
| For one thing, they take pride very seriously, and Alex would run afoul of that. | ||
| Very fast. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Good luck running a radio and TV show that relies on selling bullshit supplements in an Amish community, though. | ||
| That's gonna be real easy. | ||
| That's gonna be tough. | ||
| While we're on the subject, from a doctrine perspective, Alex should have severe problems with the Amish because they come from a branch of Christianity called Anabaptism. | ||
| Groups derived from Anabaptists like the Amish, Mennonites, and Quakers do not believe in child baptism. | ||
| A faith can only be sincere if it's entered into by a conscious, informed decision, which is absolutely counter to Alex's belief surrounding baptism. | ||
| Alex has a caricature of Amish people in his head that he's decided to accept and admire, but it's not real. | ||
| Plus, there are plenty of crimes in Amish communities. | ||
| You don't hear about a lot of it because the communities are very insulated, and many of their doctrines make it difficult to get people to cooperate with the process of prosecuting a crime, but there are criminals among the very hard-working Amish. | ||
| If you want to, you can find plenty of stories that Alex would call demonic if a liberal were involved, but it's Amish people, so he's never heard about it and pretends it doesn't exist. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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That obviously doesn't characterize the entire Amish community, and a bit of time I spent growing up, I attended Mennonite churches, and my parents are still members of a Mennonite church, so I've had plenty of experiences with great Anabaptist folks in my life. | |
| But to pretend that somehow there aren't horrible people within that subset of the world is just idiotic. | ||
| That idea of the reductive bullshit that is so often peddled by Alex and his ilk, you know, that like... | ||
| Oh, all these people want to confuse you with this, oh, the world's complex. | ||
| No, it's real simple. | ||
| If you're a farmer, you should run things. | ||
| Like... | ||
| You're busy farming. | ||
| Go away. | ||
| I mean, you should run a farm. | ||
| You're a good farmer. | ||
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Right. | |
| Be a farmer. | ||
| Why is it that if you're a good farmer, that means you're a good administrator? | ||
| That's not how it works. | ||
| It doesn't work that way. | ||
| There are just skills and talents that you can accrue over time. | ||
| There doesn't need to be some sort of intrinsic evil to your job. | ||
| Well, there is evil all around us. | ||
| And the Amish don't want to run things, right? | ||
| I mean, they want to run their own communities. | ||
| That's what they do. | ||
| They run their own communities. | ||
| That's why they're the Amish as a thing. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But you know who does want to run things on a much larger scale? | ||
| Who? | ||
| Evil people. | ||
| Oh, the hell is evil people? | ||
| Yeah, the evil people. | ||
| Oh, they keep doing it. | ||
| The evil people want to run things. | ||
| And I know that people like General Flynn is like kind of what I call a military Amish person. | ||
| Not only because he's against technology. | ||
| He thinks it's... | ||
| He thinks it's... | ||
| At a subconscious level, a little too worldly to want to be the leader. | ||
| A little too pushy to come out and, you know, it's just not, well, it's a little arrogant. | ||
| It's a little egotistical. | ||
| No, it's not. | ||
| No, it's not. | ||
| We're going to lead or we're going to die. | ||
| Because we're going to let the Ben Shapiros of the world sit over there and lead our movements when he knows damn well what he's doing and he's not on our side. | ||
| He wants all the conservatives under his control so he can lead them into slavery and lead the rest of us into slavery as Judas goats. | ||
| They're Judas goats, folks. | ||
| I suppose Ben Shapiro's evil. | ||
| It's weird, because the Daily Wire didn't have any, like, stipulations about controlling what Crowder said in their contract. | ||
| And, like, Matt Walsh is under their contract, and he's one of the biggest transphobic bigots in the public space. | ||
| Candace Owens is under their contract, and she played a huge role in the anti-Semitic rise of yay. | ||
| It seems like if you work for them, you can pretty much do whatever you want, but if your actions reduce the amount of money coming in, you get paid less. | ||
| It's a normal business thing. | ||
| It's not a Judas joke. | ||
| I mean, if we want to be against capitalism, now I'm entering the conversation. | ||
| If that's what we're doing, I'm fine with that. | ||
| But by your own rules, you should shut the fuck up. | ||
| Yes, yes. | ||
| I'm trying to reach them where they live. | ||
| Yes, exactly. | ||
| I'm encountering the ideas and what they're saying from their standpoint as opposed to applying my own critique to this. | ||
| You all are fucking idiots. | ||
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Children. | |
| They're just children. | ||
| But you know who's not? | ||
| The people on the Daily Wire side. | ||
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I know! | |
| They're just... | ||
| They're running a business, and they... | ||
| I guess maybe what it is is you start to recognize, like, okay, this is how something... | ||
| Like, bullshit can be sustainable. | ||
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Sure, sure. | |
| Bullshit can become a business. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So, like, when Candace Owens gets a job over there, she starts to understand, ah, okay, I get it. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| Here's how things are done. | ||
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And... | |
| People who are too, as boring put it, not team players, people like an Alex Jones or a Steven Crowder, they don't get it. | ||
| And they feel like they have this ability that they're special and they're able to do all these things. | ||
| Because they've been handed all these things for years. | ||
| I've done it this far, so I should be able to do everything. | ||
| And they just are children having a food fight. | ||
| We've seen it. | ||
| I can't tell you. | ||
| There have been plenty of comics who, once they've touched even a little bit of success, started to act like complete assholes for no reason. | ||
| And when you say a little bit of success. | ||
| I mean a little bit. | ||
| I mean, like, I'm running an open mic now. | ||
| Like, that's the level of, like, now I'm going to act like an asshole. | ||
| Like, I get why you turn into an asshole. | ||
| I got booked on a show at a bar. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Ooh, hot shit. | ||
| So anyway, Ben Shapiro's a Judas goat, but Alex is not. | ||
| And so the polar opposite of where I want to be is the Judas goat. | ||
| And we know the Judascoats well. | ||
| They're the Al Gores, and they're the Tony Blairs, and they're the Ben Shapiros, and they're the Barack Obamas, and they're all the rest of it. | ||
| Al Gore and Ben Shapiro. | ||
| Operation Judascoat is what you can call this. | ||
| And just say, we're up against a bunch of Judascoats here, folks. | ||
| Well, I'm no Judascoat. | ||
| All right? | ||
| I've steered you right. | ||
| I've told the truth. | ||
| I've been steadfast, and I need your love. | ||
| I need your support. | ||
| I need you to lift me up in prayer, and I need your financial support at Infowars4.com. | ||
| Nailed it. | ||
| Bam. | ||
| Nailed it. | ||
| And we've landed the plane safely, ladies and gentlemen. | ||
| We will be... | ||
| You can now disboard. | ||
| We have hit the ad pivot. | ||
| Yep, pretty good. | ||
| I'm not a Judas goat like Ben Shapiro and I need your money. | ||
| There's ability that Alex has to suddenly say a thing that I have not heard. | ||
| In a year, like 300 times. | ||
| Like, I haven't heard Judas Goat. | ||
| He said, I heard Judas Goat more in that clip. | ||
| He says it a lot. | ||
| Maybe don't play it all the time, but he does say it a lot. | ||
| No, that's what I'm saying. | ||
| I haven't heard it for like a year, but in five seconds, a hundred times, you're a Judas Goat, Barack Obama's a Judas Goat, Judas Goat. | ||
| He has momentum with the terms sometimes. | ||
| So he comes in and he tells a very false version of the Crowder story that I have some things to point out about. | ||
| So, see, my brain works like this. | ||
| I never sit there and talk about the problem without connecting it to who's behind it and then the solution. | ||
| So I don't get up here and talk about the Steven Crowder. | ||
| So, like, I want to pause for a second, because he does... | ||
| No, he's right. | ||
| He talks about the problem, and he always talks about who's behind it and the solution. | ||
| Who's behind it is always the globalist, and the solution is giving him money. | ||
| Yes, I know. | ||
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| The problem is, is that the problem, the people behind it... | ||
| And the solution have been the exact same for 25 years or whatever. | ||
| Hard disagree. | ||
| The problem changes constantly. | ||
| The people behind it and the solution are always the same. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| But the problem changes. | ||
| Well, I feel like the problem is the globalists, and they are also the people behind it. | ||
| But they do a bunch of different things. | ||
| That's fair. | ||
| Ben Shapiro, Daily Wire story, because as itself, it's not important enough to cover it. | ||
| I mean, Steven's a great guy, very important, but just to talk about the fight, like, oh, look, there's a fight. | ||
| Oh, here, let's all gather around and see who wins. | ||
| I had to weigh in on that because I saw the disinfo live that Steven Crowder recorded the Daily Wire and all the rest of this because he wanted more money if he went to work for him. | ||
| No, he's on the tapes saying, I don't even want the money, I want freedom. | ||
| And you guys sent me a contract saying Big Tech will be my boss, and if they censor me... | ||
| I'll have my pay cut and be locked in a contract to not be able to work anywhere for five years. | ||
| I'm not going to take your deal, but respond to me about what you're doing to people. | ||
| This is un-American. | ||
| This is dangerous. | ||
| Yeah, man, you should hear that recording. | ||
| He sounds like a dead Prez song. | ||
| So, look, here, there's an issue with this telling of the story. | ||
| Neither party is contesting that they discussed this opening offer months ago, as far back as September or October, and they left that discussion with an amicable understanding that they weren't going to be able to reach a deal. | ||
| Because that's the case, it does not make sense for Crowder to then call Jeremy Boring months later to confront him about the deal while recording the conversation, unless the conversation itself was performance and designed to be used for content later. | ||
| It is so much like... | ||
| It's James O 'Keefe's way of thinking, of like, aha, see, this thing that I think that is 100% insane, I will definitely be able to prove by lying to these people, and then I'll trick them into telling me the things that I know are true. | ||
| I will trick them into saying just enough that I can edit it weirdly to make it look like my point has been made. | ||
| Solid. | ||
| That's terrible. | ||
| That's good work. | ||
| That is bad. | ||
| So Alex, look, man, if you know one thing about him, you know that he's not a sellout. | ||
| Except for some things in his career. | ||
| But he could sell out now if he wanted to, and he'd get a billion dollars. | ||
| Reset Wars. | ||
| Which he'd still be down half a billion dollars. | ||
| You've got all the Ben Shapiro saying the shot works, we should all take it. | ||
| And, you know, all his pro-new-order stuff, they're gatekeepers, people. | ||
| And I'm not in competition with Ben Shapiro. | ||
| I could snap my fingers and have billions of dollars of funding, hundreds of millions of dollars of funding, without even trying, from the system. | ||
| They would still take me selling out to them. | ||
| It's easy to go sell out. | ||
| It's easy to be a gatekeeper. | ||
| It's easy to do that. | ||
| I'm not even mad at these people. | ||
| I'm ashamed for them. | ||
| Fair. | ||
| And here's Crowder getting better and better and understanding this, and he's always been a good guy, and then he tries to expose it in a very friendly way. | ||
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| And they attack him and say, oh, Stephen Crowder's a monster. | ||
| Stephen Crowder, we offered him $50 million over five years, and he called it slave wages. | ||
| No, they said in the recording about all the other little people that together have a giant audience, by little, 100,000 followers, a million followers. | ||
| They have big followings, but compared to Alex Jones or Joe Rogan or Stephen Crowder or Ben Shapiro, it's small, but together it's bigger. | ||
| And then they use their algorithms to feed you all into the Jordan Petersons and the Ben Shapiros. | ||
| And by the way, I think Ben Shapiro is all hat and no cattle and a bunch of repeated stuff he does to act smart and talk fast. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| Just a bunch of repeated stuff. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| Alex could not have a billion or hundreds of millions of dollars to sell out now. | ||
| No one wants him, and he's way more trouble than whatever he could possibly bring in. | ||
| He's toxic to advertisers, and he couldn't possibly organically create more business for you than he already does on his own, and he's both personally and professionally in bankruptcy. | ||
| Plus, he's not that good at his job anymore. | ||
| It would be like buying an old racehorse. | ||
| An old, drunk racehorse. | ||
| You know, the first car I bought was 14 years old. | ||
| And it smelled of cigarette smoke beyond what you could imagine. | ||
| And it made it about 25 miles off the lot. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And then it died and never drove again. | ||
| It's the Alex of cars. | ||
| It's the Alex of cars. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| It's fair that in Crowder's recording, Jeremy Boring said that the younger creators needed to work for slave wages for a while, but there's a couple important things to consider. | ||
| I'll play you the clip that Stephen plays, and then we'll go over some of the issues. | ||
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Bench talent, young talent, they don't get deals like this. | |
| They don't get deals that... | ||
| They can be wage slaves for a little bit, come over and make a salary and grow their brand. | ||
| that you then own well I own parts of it I don't own it they can when their contracts up they can still go out and they'll still be famous they can keep doing their show so go do a show somewhere else they'll be in a far far far better place you help them make them No, not this contract. | ||
| This contract owns it in perpetuity even after the contract. | ||
| You're paying a lease but getting ownership. | ||
| That's what this contract means. | ||
| So the first glaring problem is that Stephen didn't release the full call. | ||
| It's possible that wage slave, as a comment, was Boring using an expression that Stephen had used earlier in that conversation, and there's no way to know for sure. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Even assuming that was how Boring decided to construct his thought, there are still problems. | ||
| One is that he's trying to explain to Stephen how good the deal he's being offered is, and that's because it's an insanely good deal. | ||
| Boring is trying to help Stephen understand that they would be making a gigantic investment in him, and because it would be a huge deal, it requires a contract that spells stuff out and makes sure that the Daily Wire doesn't end up losing $50 million, which is not something that you need to be concerned about with younger talents. | ||
| The other more important problem that comes up here is that these people don't have a problem with wage slavery. | ||
| Go over to Daily Wire's website and see what they have to say about suggestions that the minimum wage should be raised. | ||
| Poke around for a minute and see how many videos you can find where Stephen Crowder screams about his opposition to people being paid a living wage. | ||
| They don't have a problem. | ||
| If you bring in $2 worth of value to an employer per hour, you should be paid $2 an hour. | ||
| Crowder should recognize that the younger creators that Boring is talking about don't bring in $50 million in value. | ||
| They bring in what he would call slave wages in value to The Daily Wire so they get paid accordingly. | ||
| The arrangement is beneficial for them because they get paid something and their association with The Daily Wire raises their profile and allows them to create their own personal brand. | ||
| Without his association with The Daily Wire... | ||
| I guarantee no one would give a single shit about what Matt Walsh has to say. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| You'd have no idea who he was. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| It works out quite well for him. | ||
| That's the game. | ||
| There's a little bit of a weird wrinkle here. | ||
| I also would never sign this deal, but I don't think it's inherently unfair as a deal. | ||
| Typically, a network will require ownership of the material you make while you're under their contract, which is a fairly normal thing, and you hear Boring express that in the call. | ||
| The content that Crowder makes under the auspices of the contract are owned by the Daily Wire, but they don't own his brand or the mug club or things that he does post-contract period or before. | ||
| I've spoken to people who are with podcast networks, and this is how a lot of podcast networks operate. | ||
| And it's definitely one of the sticking points that I've had with the idea of ever joining one, but I don't think it's inherently unethical. | ||
| No. | ||
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| Yeah. | ||
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And a lot of different context for the situation that the creators are in. | |
| You know, there's any number of different avenues where absolutely. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I totally get it. | ||
| Crowder is pretending to have a problem here because he needs a way to make this whole presentation look like it's something more than picking a petty fight because he doesn't have a giant contract anymore and he's got to figure out how to survive on his own. | ||
| The best way to do this is to pretend he's concerned about the other creators who are being exploited by these contracts, which is a great way to fake selflessness, honestly. | ||
| Interestingly, though, none of the other creators sided with Steven. | ||
| In fact... | ||
| Steven may have alienated most of the conservative media with this shit, and it's because of two reasons. | ||
| The first is that he's shown himself to be a duplicitous backstabbing sneaky snake who might be recording you at any moment so he can use cherry-picked things you say against you. | ||
| He's willing to exploit people who thought they were his friends in order to garner attention. | ||
| But that's not really a deal breaker for these people. | ||
| They could get over that pretty easily. | ||
| Yeah, they're all sneaky snakes. | ||
| They're like, hey, listen, I'm a psychopath too. | ||
| Not a terrible move. | ||
| And if it had worked, we would be on your team. | ||
| It's not necessarily the worst thing. | ||
| They could get over it. | ||
| But what's not so easy to get over is the crowd who brought up the money. | ||
| Steven is treading on thin ice because what he's done is create a situation where it's becoming all too clear that the right-wing media ecosystem is propped up by billionaires who are likely not seeing a return on their investment. | ||
| Jeremy Boring says almost as much in his video. | ||
| This is a very important point. | ||
| Stephen, again, I think the most entertaining, talented person in the conservative movement, I think one of the most entertaining and talented people in entertainment generally in the country today has created a very successful content generation company, a very successful production company. | ||
| But Stephen's never had to create the company that actually... | ||
| He distributes, markets, and monetizes all of that content. | ||
| You know, he talks in his video about being one of the only true independent conservative voices. | ||
| And I find that incredibly offensive. | ||
| You know, Stephen, the whole time I've known him, has worked for someone else, has been paid by someone else. | ||
| That doesn't mean other people tell him what to say. | ||
| He's a very independent voice, and that's good. | ||
| So is Matt Walsh. | ||
| So is Candace Owens. | ||
| So is Ben Shapiro. | ||
| So is Michael Knowles. | ||
| So is Brett Cooper. | ||
| But Stephen... | ||
| You know, as much or more than any of them, a very independent voice. | ||
| But he's not exactly a self-made man. | ||
| That's not true. | ||
| He was paid by PJTV when I met him, which was owned by a billionaire at the time. | ||
| Then he was paid by CRTV for a number of years, which was owned by a billionaire at the time. | ||
| Then he was paid by The Blaze, which was subsidized by a billionaire. | ||
| Until Tyler Carden, one of the real genius businessmen in our movement. | ||
| Oh, man, that's wild. | ||
| I wonder why that billionaire was subsidizing the blaze while it lost money. | ||
| Pretty wild how every place Crowder has worked for his entire career has been funded by right-wing billionaires, and no one really has any idea if his show is even profitable. | ||
| Probably just a coincidence, too, that The Daily Wire was launched with seed money from fracking billionaire brothers Dan and Ferris Wilkes. | ||
| Because of his greed and desperation, Crowder is exposing the business. | ||
| He's breaking kayfabe and forcing others to break kayfabe to defend themselves. | ||
| There's some huge fucking problems that I have going on, not least of which one fucking boring has just made the socialist argument. | ||
| He's just been like... | ||
| Remember when Obama in the debate was like, you didn't build that or whatever? | ||
| Because we've got roads and shit? | ||
| He said that! | ||
| He just said that exactly. | ||
| So once again, no conservative has any principles whatsoever. | ||
| And two, that's bullshit. | ||
| The billionaires absolutely get a return on their investment. | ||
| That's why we don't have taxes on billionaires. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's an indirect return on investment. | ||
| It's not a return in terms of the show being profitable. | ||
| Ideological return and a return in the form of tax cuts and all that shit. | ||
| Their return was January 6th almost worked. | ||
| And clogging up the ability of progressive legislation that would be threatening to business interests from moving forward. | ||
| Or just conversing about it. | ||
| Anyway, there's one more clip of boring here that I thought was interesting. | ||
| Then he was paid by the Blaze, which was subsidized by a billionaire. | ||
| Until Tyler Carden, one of the real genius businessmen in our movement. | ||
| Turned the company around and made it profitable. | ||
| During all of that time, Stephen drove a ton of revenue. | ||
| He's incredibly valuable. | ||
| I'm not suggesting that he wasn't driving value. | ||
| He was. | ||
| I'm only saying he didn't have to build all of that. | ||
| He didn't have to think about it. | ||
| And he didn't necessarily have to be profitable. | ||
| I hate you all so much. | ||
| And he doesn't know for a fact that he was profitable. | ||
| Because, as he has said very publicly... | ||
| All those companies, none of them really shared all the information about what was happening with them. | ||
| So Stephen feels very certain that his show was always profitable. | ||
| But he doesn't know that his show was profitable. | ||
| That is damning. | ||
| That's insane. | ||
| Think about this. | ||
| The head of Daily Wire is suggesting that one of the largest and most revenue-driving programs in the entire right-wing ecosystem that does not appear to have all that much overhead, it's not like he has an elaborate set like Alex does, might not be profitable. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| How is that possible? | ||
| Dan. | ||
| How can he not be sure of that? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| You'd have to be sure of it. | ||
| How could you not be? | ||
| It means that one side of the equation is desperately out of balance. | ||
| The gall to ask for more than $50 million if you don't even know if you make money? | ||
| Well, the gall to ask for $50 million and then make it public like this in a way that the head of the Daily Wire is going to come out and say shit like this. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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| It's trouble. | ||
| What's so crazy to me, and we just talked about it, you know, like in this world, oh yeah, of course you recorded one side of my conversation without my knowledge in order to exploit what I have to say secretly as an indictment of my entire life's work. | ||
| Yeah, no big deal. | ||
| Now, personally, that would be... | ||
| We can't be friends anymore. | ||
| I mean, it's not even like I'll hate you forever publicly. | ||
| Just like, I will never speak to you because I don't know if you're recording this conversation. | ||
| Yeah, it introduces layers of like... | ||
| Yeah, no. | ||
| Yeah, and this whole, like, hey, I just want him to be as successful as he can possibly be thing. | ||
| Like, no! | ||
| No, he's revealed that he deserves zero success because he's recorded one half of your fucking conversation! | ||
| Two things. | ||
| The first is that I think there's a little tongue-in-cheek with Boring's constant praise of Crowder. | ||
| I think there's a little bit of a fuck you by being nice kind of thing. | ||
| Second... | ||
| Steven didn't release the recording of the call until after Boring had made this video. | ||
| So at that point, there's no reason to know for sure if Jeremy knew that Steven had done that. | ||
| That makes more sense. | ||
| But I still do think there's a little bit of a backhandedness to it. | ||
| Like a little bit of a... | ||
| I'm not saying that that's not the case. | ||
| I haven't listened to the whole thing, so I wouldn't... | ||
| I did. | ||
| Man. | ||
| It's a really awesome contract if you're... | ||
| If you're in his position. | ||
| And it's not even a final contract. | ||
| As Boring's going through it, he's making note of points where it's like, well, we might have negotiated on this. | ||
| This is movable here. | ||
| This could have ended up being more money and more time off. | ||
| This is just an opening volley. | ||
| From here on out, if you are going to negotiate with the Daily Wire, make sure you watch that video first. | ||
| You'll have a clearer idea of how to negotiate. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And now, the other thing that is introduced by this is, like, just think about, like, the kind of money that's flowing around. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Like, these people who are these mouthpieces are making. | ||
| It's a sick amount of money. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Even if you imagine, like, someone like Candace Owens or Matt Walsh is on a lower level than Steven Crowder, just based on celebrity, let's say. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But Matt Walsh is still probably making, what, like a million a year? | ||
| Two million a year? | ||
| That's sick money for someone like him. | ||
| You know what it is? | ||
| And it's just occurred to me, you know, there is a morality tax on these contracts because you know these people have no morality. | ||
| So you have to pay them more than you would somebody who, you know, has thoughts and emotions and feelings like a person because they're going to lie to you or perhaps fucking record one half of your conversation. | ||
| You've got to pay them more, otherwise they'll do evil shit like that to you. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| So Alex, he had that interview with Piers Morgan, right? | ||
| And so talking about Ben Shapiro and all this stuff makes him think of Piers Morgan. | ||
| He has some thoughts about his interview. | ||
| And by the way, when I did that interview over a week ago with Piers Morgan, I hadn't seen it, I hadn't watched it since. | ||
| We played a few clips, the crew got. | ||
| I went this Sunday and spent about an hour watching it and reading the comments. | ||
| And there was 9,000 comments then. | ||
| Sure, it's more now. | ||
| And they were 99% pro Alex Jones. | ||
| On YouTube. | ||
| It had like 400,000 views Sunday. | ||
| I don't know what it is now. | ||
| And I sat there for like an hour. | ||
| My wife's like, I'm sitting there on the iPad. | ||
| Hey, you said you're taking off today. | ||
| We're going to go with family on a hike and go eat dinner. | ||
| Why are you doing this? | ||
| And I said, well, I just want to be able to tell my audience at 99%. | ||
| So I had to read like a thousand comments speed read. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| And I sound like one out of a hundred. | ||
| Sure, I'd read over a hundred comments before I found one comment against me. | ||
| I mean, come on. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| You guys are done. | ||
| You poor wife. | ||
| Alex is pushing 50 and he's congratulating himself about positive YouTube comments in a video where he argued with Piers Morgan. | ||
| This is sad. | ||
| That's the saddest thing I've ever heard. | ||
| That is like... | ||
| That kind of a bar is so easy to clear. | ||
| Looking good next to Piers Morgan. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Baby shoes, never worn. | ||
| YouTube comments 99% positive. | ||
| I think they're very similar. | ||
| Honey, honey, I want to take the kids out fishing or whatever, but I can't. | ||
| I gotta read YouTube comments. | ||
| I have to read these YouTube comments so I can be sure when I tell my audience that they're 99% positive. | ||
| Listen, I don't want to lie to my audience about the positivity of these YouTube comments. | ||
| What a complete dork. | ||
| That's amazing. | ||
| But if we want to play this game, I would suggest he go check out the comments on Crowder's video where he plays that call with Boring that's titled, "I didn't want to do this." They are almost wall to wall bad. | ||
| Stuff like, why did you have those negotiations then wait months to call him back and record that conversation? | ||
| It looks like a massive publicity stunt. | ||
| Huh. | ||
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| Been watching Steven since I was 13, but his recent actions are seriously disappointing. | ||
| It's not a YouTube comment, but even Mike Cernovich And that's Mike Cernovich. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| So here's the deal. | ||
| Crowder did this to get a ton of attention and direct people to his new website, StopBigCon.com. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| He repeated in his videos, Big Con is in bed with big tech, trying to label Big Con as big conservative media. | ||
| So that's his site that he set up to farm email addresses to create a new database, since the Blaze probably owns his old one. | ||
| He says on his site, quote, please go to stopbigcon.com and enter your email. | ||
| This isn't just for Louder with Crowder. | ||
| This is a petition to show Big Con how many of you out there want to be a new one. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Some people have deduced that Crowder registered this domain, StopBigCon.com, prior to making that phone call to Boring, which he recorded and is currently using as the entire inciting incident for his campaign to stop big conservative media who are just in bed with big tech, which kind of doesn't make sense. | ||
| No. | ||
| On the surface, it's a pretty standard and blah kind of conservative media grift, but... | ||
| The idea that Crowder didn't think people would put some of these pieces together is pretty laughable. | ||
| And here's the big problem for Crowder. | ||
| He's a tool. | ||
| He's not important, ultimately. | ||
| He's just somebody that the billionaires have paid to push right-wing ideas to teens. | ||
| The Daily Wire is important. | ||
| That's a burgeoning institution with its own media wing and projects in the works for educational programming and conservative alternatives to mainstream culture. | ||
| This is a giant project that is much stronger and much more supported than Crowder. | ||
| That is a fight he is not going to win. | ||
| What amazes me about all of these people? | ||
| What amazes me is how inversely correlated their belief in their talent is with their actual talent. | ||
| Like, so many of these people believe that they've got some sort of media skill, when in reality... | ||
| They can be exchanged in a heartbeat. | ||
| You're bought and paid for. | ||
| You're a product. | ||
| That's true in some ways. | ||
| I agree with you largely, but there are gradients of talent even within that replaceable spectrum. | ||
| Let's say Steven Crowder is way better than Brandon Strocka in terms of having some kind of media chops. | ||
| That said... | ||
| You could find a hundred Stephen Crowders conceivably at an open mic. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| Maybe not one open mic, but a number of open mics you could find. | ||
| You could find a replacement for Stephen Crowder. | ||
| Somebody who's got chops. | ||
| Heartbeat. | ||
| Somebody who's offensive and kind of funny. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, I mean, that's the thing with these right-wing talking heads is that as much as they want to talk about gatekeepers, the reality is there's no place for them to... | ||
| Get better. | ||
| There's no organic movement of that kind of gradual growth where you work and toil in obscurity, and then you have skills. | ||
| It's like, hey, I've decided to be an asshole. | ||
| That's disincentivized. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| The only thing that you are kind of drawn towards from a... | ||
| Sort of a grindstone kind of thing is doing what the people who are funding whatever you're doing want you to do. | ||
| The more in line you get with that, perhaps the better your outcome will be. | ||
| But yeah, there isn't really... | ||
| I'm even abstractly trying to think, what does it mean to get better? | ||
| Yeah, what would you do? | ||
| Even if you're Tucker Carlson and you want to make your show better... | ||
| It has nothing to do with making Tucker do one thing or another, you know? | ||
| Like, making the show better is all about, okay, well, we need to get our graphics and our movement and our motion, because Tucker's just an asshole! | ||
| Well, if you really want to make it better, you gotta get him to try and get people to smoke. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, right? | ||
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| Anyway, Steven's not gonna win this fight. | ||
| No. | ||
| He's up against something that is much more important than him. | ||
| and he does not really have a life raft. | ||
| And that's why he needs to team up with Alex. | ||
| This is a perfect unholy Avengers assembling kind of moment that they could have where they team up and attack the mainstream conservatives media. | ||
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Presumably Alex is actually independent and doesn't take money from billionaires, leaving aside his early career being subsidized by a shady gold dealer and that suspicious $8 million in Bitcoin he got last year. | |
| But leave that aside. | ||
| Crowder can own his past and wear it on his sleeve. | ||
| How he was fully inside the belly of the beast and he knows how billionaires control all of this right-wing media for their own interests. | ||
| He's sorry he was a part of it and now he's teaming up with Alex to be the real media for the Patriots! | ||
| Yep. | ||
| They could do it. | ||
| It's his only real option because he's a giant piece of shit. | ||
| This won't happen though because Alex can't come anywhere near affording Steven and Crowder is clearly all about the money. | ||
| But... | ||
| Crowder has entered a tragic phase of his career. | ||
| Essentially, in order to make himself and keep himself relevant at all, he needs to try to tear down the people that he's considered allies and friends. | ||
| Honestly, it's a pretty predictable place for a complete asshole like him to have ended up, but the only real, like... | ||
| Further down the road kind of possibility? | ||
| Because he's not going to get re-monetized on YouTube. | ||
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No. | |
| That's not going to happen. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| These other platforms like Rumble and all this shit, they're not going to be able to pay him, and whatever money he's going to be able to make off them is not going to be anywhere near what he's accustomed to. | ||
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Right. | |
| The kind of deal that The Daily Wire was offering him is perfect, and he shit on that. | ||
| An idiot. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The Blaze, not going back there. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Fox News isn't going to have him. | ||
| Absolutely not. | ||
| There is no, what, One America News? | ||
| No. | ||
| They're not going to be able to pay him millions of dollars a year. | ||
| They're not even able to pay themselves millions of dollars a year. | ||
| Anything that is conceivably within this spectrum of that media, he's out. | ||
| Right. | ||
| He's going to end up on Frank's speech if he's not careful. | ||
| He's going to be another of Lindell's. | ||
| He's got to build his own thing. | ||
| And that means having his own identity. | ||
| And he doesn't have one, and in order to get one, you have to work really hard, and he doesn't really want to do that. | ||
| And I'll give you my evidence for that. | ||
| Because his plan to launch his new thing was, I'm going to secretly record the guy who tried to hire me before, and then release it on the internet. | ||
| Therefore proving that I'm a trustworthy guy. | ||
| We're making a little bit of an assumption in terms of filling in some of the connective tissue of the plan, but it seems fairly certain that if he... | ||
| Once you registered the website before you do the thing. | ||
| Yeah, that makes it feel like, okay, this only really makes sense if this was a plan. | ||
| And then the call was farming the content in order to justify the call to action of raising a bunch of emails, like farming a bunch of people's email addresses for this. | ||
| And yeah, that is a terrible plan. | ||
| I don't think it's going to work. | ||
| And I really wonder if he's going to end up at InfoWars. | ||
| It'd be the best thing ever for Alex. | ||
| You know, every time we think that we know the direction that conservative media is going to flow, those vultures tear each other apart in a new way. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| But think about, like, so no one really has much talent at InfoWars. | ||
| No one's getting, like, headhunted to a mother network or whatever. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Alex couldn't afford to pay Roger, so he went over to Mike Lindell. | ||
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| He went over to Frank Speech. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Savannah Hernandez, I guess, had a little bit of chops, a little bit of talent, and so she went to work for The Blaze. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, there's no other game that Crowder's gonna find. | ||
| It's Pillows or Alex, I think. | ||
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| Anyway. | ||
| It's no good. | ||
| Good luck. | ||
| Or maybe... | ||
| Pair back your expectations, lower your overhead, get good at making a show that people find enjoyable, and you'll have a job. | ||
| Nah. | ||
| You can just have your own job. | ||
| If you have an enjoyable show that people like, if you really do think that you have 350,000 subscribers day one, then fuck everybody else. | ||
| Do a Patreon. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Fuck everybody. | ||
| Fuck the businesses. | ||
| Fuck a job. | ||
| Who gives a shit about $50 million? | ||
| You can have $100,000. | ||
| That's a million dollars if you don't have a boss! | ||
| If you are Steven, and you have 300,000 people who would sign up for your shit, and you're charging, what, like 10 bucks a month? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Something like that? | ||
| That's absurd to me. | ||
| For all access or whatever? | ||
| Absurd. | ||
| Then you end up with $3 million a month? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Boom, you're there. | ||
| You're at your $30 million. | ||
| You did it. | ||
| Yeah, dumb fuck. | ||
| Anyway. | ||
| I just don't know. | ||
| I don't understand that at all. | ||
| But I think that the reason that some of this doesn't happen is that there isn't that organic support. | ||
| No. | ||
| You gotta have billionaires. | ||
| Numbers are maybe a little bit lower than he thinks. | ||
| And I think what they are all terrified of, and I think that's the thing that's really not being said right here. | ||
| Is it the breaking of the facade? | ||
| No. | ||
| Well, I mean, yeah. | ||
| But the breaking of the facade is this. | ||
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Without... | |
| The outlet's constant reminder and ease of access, these people are not going to click on a second link to go to Steven Crowder's website. | ||
| That's the thing that they're fair about. | ||
| That's the fear. | ||
| And I mean, some people will, and plenty of them will, but not enough to justify all of that shit. | ||
| Probably not. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So we have one last clip here. | ||
| Alex wishes that Ben Shapiro had a soul. | ||
| And so... | ||
| I wish Ben Shapiro had a soul. | ||
| I wish these guys were like me, but they're not. | ||
| They're opportunists, globals that think you're stupid, and guess what? | ||
| You're not stupid, and they're gonna be defeated just like Klaus Schwab and just like Bill Gates. | ||
| We'll be right back. | ||
| Stay with us. | ||
| So, this brings us to the end of Alex's coverage of the Daily Wire, Steven Crowder, Sitch. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He wishes that they all had souls like him. | ||
| You know, the irony of all of these conservative right wing fights is that when they fight each other, they use my arguments against each other. | ||
| But their politics are completely counter to that. | ||
| I can use my arguments because I have a belief system. | ||
| That is what you think. | ||
| I believe this and I will continue to do so. | ||
| And they're just like, hey, you know what? | ||
| You guys are all in the pocket of billionaires. | ||
| What? | ||
| Sam Seder on the majority report had a good breakdown of... | ||
| How damning it is that Steven Crowder is introducing the idea that contracts can be exploitative, and how, for conservative ideology, this is a real big problem. | ||
| And I would encourage people who are interested to go ahead and watch that as well, because that is another good point inside this. | ||
| The concept that a $50 million contract can be exploitive. | ||
| That's a real... | ||
| Wait a second. | ||
| If a $50 million contract can be an exploitative contract... | ||
| What's my 50k a year doing? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah, I find this interesting, but I also have... | ||
| I don't feel like, let them fight. | ||
| I don't feel that way, because I don't think the actual fight is interesting, per se. | ||
| I think that... | ||
| Some of these, you might call it unforced errors of saying things and making this about the contract and the money as opposed to some sort of a subsidiary issue that you all could fight about and have a good time. | ||
| That's kind of interesting to me. | ||
| And the fact that Steven Crowder is essentially in a position where he is exactly what Alex needs and he has nowhere else to go. | ||
| If he doesn't end up there, I don't understand what's going on. | ||
| I don't know what they possibly could think if they're not like, let's team up. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It seems like the right time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Because Alex has nothing to lose. | ||
| They're both in Texas. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Do it. | ||
| Do it. | ||
| That's all I needed to hear. | ||
| Alex. | ||
| They're regionally similar. | ||
| Alex. | ||
| Glenn Beck. | ||
| God told you to go against Glenn Beck. | ||
| And now he's telling you to go get Crowder. | ||
| And get louder. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Anyway, I was really thinking about this a lot this weekend. | ||
| So this is a little bit off our beaten path, kind of, because it is more about Steven Crowder than Alex, really. | ||
| But I couldn't get this out of my head this weekend. | ||
| Here we are. | ||
| Well, I mean, anytime we get a view into conservative media, it does two things. | ||
| It shows very clearly that they don't care about what they say. | ||
| None of what they say means anything to them. | ||
| And also how things are similar and different between Alex's Infowars and how the actual real people business works, you know? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Like, Alex's contract is, you know, that, yeah. | ||
| It's very interesting. | ||
| How do you not look at Alex's model and think it's the better one? | ||
| You know? | ||
| It is. | ||
| Well, it is in some ways and it isn't in others. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| It depends on what kind of work you want to put in. | ||
| I think that's, yeah, that's it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He wants to be lazy. | ||
| He wants everybody else to do all the other stuff except for the show. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Which I respect. | ||
| Listen, I want to do the show. | ||
| It's basically exactly where you sit right now. | ||
| Yeah, you can only really pull that off if someone else is doing all that other stuff for you. | ||
| And Alex has had those people, too, and he's done a lot of it. | ||
| Ted Anderson did a lot of it for him, too. | ||
| Yeah, but Alex's model is better in as much as, like, if you want to just say whatever the fuck you want and be a real dickhead, nobody's gonna stop you. | ||
| Yeah, and there's an audience for it. | ||
| But from a content perspective, I don't see that as being that different from what Matt Walsh and Candace Owens are doing. | ||
| Tim Pool, I don't see any of that as being that disconnected from Alex anymore. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| There might have been a big chasm in the past, but it's shrunk. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, it has. | ||
| Anyway. | ||
| We will keep our eyes. | ||
| Watch this space, as they say. | ||
| Let's see when Crowder takes over the morning slot for Harrison Smith. | ||
| Yeah, Harrison, you better. | ||
| Your days are numbered. | ||
| You better be learning. | ||
| I don't know what you need to practice, but you need to practice all of it. | ||
| You need to change your name and get a job at Frank's speech. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| You're fucked, Harrison. | ||
| Anyway, we'll be back. | ||
| But until then, we have a website. | ||
| We do. | ||
| It's knowledgefight.com. | ||
| We're also on Twitter. | ||
| We are on Twitter. | ||
| It's at knowledge underscore fight. | ||
| Yes, we'll be back. | ||
| But until then, I'm Neo. | ||
| I'm Leo. | ||
| I'm DCXCork, but I'm also Dan, and I live in Illinois. | ||
| Let's talk to Dan in Illinois, then Spencer in Ohio. | ||
| Dan, you're on the air. | ||
| And now here comes the sex robots. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
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I'm a huge fan. | |
| I love your work. |
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