December 17, 2003’s The Alex Jones Show features moon mission headlines, baseless cloning claims, and reliance on extremist TBR News—linked to Holocaust-denier Willis Cardo—predicting flu quarantines. Callers challenge his unverified sources, like conflating Patriot Act II with conspiracy theories or falsely accusing the U.S. of empowering Baathists post-Saddam’s fall. The hosts expose his disorganized website and evasive accountability, revealing how preexisting narratives force him to distort facts. Ultimately, the episode underscores Jones’ pattern of weaponizing unverified claims to stoke fear while dismissing critics as part of a broader "government overreach" conspiracy. [Automatically generated summary]
Yeah, I have tried to, since the last time I announced that I was hype about this, I've tried to not delve too much into people doing pre-reviews and stuff because I feel like a lot of people have a lot of strong opinions, and I may not agree with all of them, and maybe they'll bum me out.
I have not read a lot of reviews, but if you're just on the internet, eventually you'll see a headline that's like, Fire Emblem Engage, blah, blah, you know, like that kind of thing.
And the general view that I've gotten is that if you were a huge fan of all the going around and talking to your people, doing the whole thing, and then doing a support conversation, and then doing another thing, and then doing another thing, until they finally were like, I like you.
And then all the stuff that I liked about the battles and the technical, tactical stuff, they've streamlined it and kind of tightened it up so it's more enjoyable.
About, oh, it was almost two years ago now, I was told by someone who was on board Air Force One, and this is on the record.
I've talked about it a couple dozen times on air, and I said, I don't know if it's accurate, and they may have been giving me this information.
But I was told, because there's a lot of people in the Bush administration that live right here in Austin.
And this individual told several people after they had been imbibing in some adult beverages at a party that you watched right before the OFAR election, Bin Laden.
So Alex gets another caller, and this guy has a bit of a concern about some stuff that he's read about leaked media memos that have to do with the coming flu over the winter.
And Adam was mentioning this website that's put out some pretty good stuff in the past.
Leaked news memos that purportedly leaked news memos from one of the big broadcast media outlets, one of the big three folks, talking about the New World Order activities, discussions of martial law, the capture of Saddam, all of it.
And now they're talking about weapons of mass destruction to be planted and released here very soon.
But going back to Adam, he was mentioning some memos he read about the flu and SARS.
And I had not read those.
I'm not sure where he's going with this, but let's find out.
Oh, Alex, just quite simply, one of the things that lends credibility to the work that you do and individuals such as myself is the fact that you do come across things and then they come to fruition in the future.
Again, I came across that site in doing some research on the contrived nature of the media back in October on December 2nd.
You read this.
Again, it was, I don't even remember the name of the newspaper, but at any rate, it was that this pandemic is coming.
And again, so that clicks in my head that, you know, hey, I read this a month ago that apparently these leaked memos, again, was telling individual news directors, you know, to lay off this.
Now we have monkeypox, that type of thing.
We're going to go on to something else, and we'll get back to this.
Essentially, we'll get back to this when it fires back up in the winter.
So this is all nonsense, but it does illustrate the constant and ever-present preoccupation Alex and his community have with predicting that every public health warning is secretly an attempt to bring in martial law.
You know, like all of these other situations where public health experts are saying, you know, we need to be careful about a flu during the winter because that is pretty much how it works.
This is a regular thing that we know about.
Here are some other things.
Here are the ways that we can handle those.
Here's all this stuff.
Or you can have somebody like Jared Kushner go, it's probably going to affect mostly cities, so fuck them.
So the only reason I included this clip is because the caller is citing a website when he's talking about these leaked memos, purported leaked memos, because there's no proof they're real.
Anyway, it's a really fucked up outlet for this caller to be citing and for Alex to clearly be familiar with and be saying like they have put out good stuff in the past.
It gets worse, though, because earlier in this exact episode, prior to this caller arriving, Alex reported on something from TBR News.
A lot of it was, you know, or even coming from folks that it's like, well, yeah, it's ugly and there's this ugliness, but it's not really going anywhere.
I mean, you know, I remember how funny I thought it was when Pat Robertson and his ilk were like, well, if you didn't have gay people, we wouldn't have hurricanes, you know?
I thought it was funny that somebody could be that insane.
What I didn't realize is that that was actually most of the country, and we would eventually all be that.
My question to you is, is that, you know, what do you know about this organization?
Because one of the primary concerns is the fact that, as is the case with a number of individuals out there, they come out with information, yet behind the scenes, they have things.
The only thing that's on that website are these leaked memos.
Aside from the fact that they have a large bookstore that every single book in there is about Hitler or fascism or that type of thing.
My question to you is, what do you know about this organization?
Yeah, good on this caller for having some curiosity.
Bad on Alex for trying to make excuses for why he relies on sources he hasn't vetted in any way to make absurd claims.
This caller shouldn't expect too much here.
This site is operated by an entity that traces back to Willis Cardo, who's also the man behind the American Free Press, whose editor was Big Jim Tucker, Alex's main source about Bilderberg.
If Alex actually explores the Nazi character of this TBR news outlet, he risks exposing a much larger reality about the information space that he exists in.
Don't expect him to follow through on this in any way.
And if TBR News posts another completely unverifiable, unattributed, almost certainly made-up leaked news memo, you can bet Alex will report on it and pretend that this call never happened.
You know, I can't remember the exact headline of that article we put together with hyperlinks, but I will try to remember that for you and announce it on air.
If you make these giant claims about having proved all this stuff about 9-11, you should probably have it at a very handy, easy, convenient place for people to go ahead and grab it.
You can't pretend that like, oh, this is just going to only people who the mainstream is brainwashed into thinking they're crazy will believe this stuff.
I like the confidence of the, we need to recap this because it's a great gaslight.
Like, if you're going to gaslight somebody, implying that they don't even remember the first time that you explained to them something that is inexplainable is such a great move.
You know, Bush signed this over the weekend, and Ron Paul's comments on H.R. 2417, known as the Intelligence Authorization Act, of it appears we're witnessing a stealth enactment of the enormously unpopular Patriot Act II legislation.
And he goes on to say we need to defeat this legislation.
That was before it was passed and Bush signed it.
Here's the Associated Press.
Bush signs a bill extending FBI powers.
They can search anything.
So can the CIA.
No longer without warrants.
It's just carte blanche and a bunch.
And it says most of the bill is secret.
Congressmen who have seen it say it's frightening.
Yeah, of all of his dodges, which, I mean, frankly, most of them are just him standing there and taking the bullet and then saying like, nah, I'm fine.
And then just continuing to walk.
You know, this one, at least he's dodging with somebody actually called it Patriot Act II sometime.
I just wanted to say when I called last week or a week and a half ago about the videos being late, and then that day you called me back, and damn, they were here in like four days, and I'm already making copies.
You should get different phone lines for different things.
If it's a customer support issue, you shouldn't have it be the same phone number as some weirdo who's calling you about how they're spraying them right now.
Hey, also, the fact that you're getting all of these calls doesn't mean that all of these things are happening.
It could be that you have a bunch of callers who are calling in and telling you things that are not true, but are actually just manifestations of the paranoid fantasies that you encourage.
And now these people are calling me and everybody's always calling me and there's calls coming from here and from here and everywhere and now you're calling me about customer service.
Now, the reality too is that the calls that he's getting are only coming in because he's situated himself in the marketplace as the guy who cares about these things.
He has to take those calls because otherwise those people will find somebody else to glom on to who enable their bizarre fantasies about the coming UN troops and FEMA camps and what have you.
Yeah, so the Americans and the middle class are being destroyed by design while the illegals living 10 to a house, they're the ones who society is built for.
If Alex were to say something along the lines of like, there's trouble coming down the road four or five years from now, then that would be like, oh, that's interesting.
But for him to be presenting it as like, this is the current condition is just super inaccurate for the end of 2003 in particular.
I mean, what's wild about it, though, is that if he had predicted that one, what a great, like, they're going to tank the economy right before the presidential election in order to influence who wins the vote.
But even the way you're presenting that needs a little bit of a tweak because you were saying that is what happened, but you also said that they tanked the economy as opposed to the economy tanked due to the actions of those people.
Right.
But not necessarily like, hey, we're going to tank the economy for the explicit purpose of influencing the election.
I know we have loaded phone lines to talk about the economy, Patriot Act 2 being passed quietly last weekend, signed by Lord Bush, the neocon leader, the gun-grabbing, open-border-promoting, China-worshiping, Taiwan-hating creature.
No, but Alex at this point is still saying that he's going to re-sign the assault weapons ban, which didn't happen, and then he's going to take everyone's guns.
loaded phone lines to talk about the economy patriot act two being passed quietly last weekend signed by lord bush the neocon leader the gun grabbing open border promoting china worshiping taiwan hating creature no i think that's that's what Oh, you got a finger up.
This characterization is so incredibly off-base from reality that I thought I was thinking about it, and it's like, well, this is just how you do it when you're someone like Alex.
Because to him, anybody who isn't like a gun absolutist who's out like campaigning with two machine guns.
In a sense, if you allow any immigration, you do want open borders.
And so if you allow trade, you have not physically closed off the country, made sure that the borders are covered by walls, and then shoot anybody who steps near the country.
I think that's maybe one of the big reasons why it's almost pointless to try and talk to him about any issues or any like debating him or debating people like him is just kind of like it's a fruitless exercise.
And that's why one of the most annoying things about it is that it works both ways, except the other side has apparently no understanding of that.
Like if that's what you're going to be called, you have permission to go as far left as you fucking want.
It doesn't matter if you're going to be called an open borders person, whether you have some immigration or all immigration or whatever it is you want.
Well, yeah, I mean, that's something that a lot of people have, you know, kind of wrestled with in the, especially with the Bernie Sanders campaign of the, like, is he marketable because he's a socialist?
You know, is it possible that this is a detriment?
The first order of the coalition provisional authority was literally, quote, debathification of Iraqi society.
This was a gigantic priority of the U.S.-led government, and it was a very flawed policy.
I understand that I may be bringing this up a bunch as we go through this timeframe, but I think it's important to recognize that in addition to all the many instances of things that Alex is wrong about, there are also narratives like this that he has just constructed a reality to sell his audience that are the inverse of the real world.
He's getting mad about the CPA putting the Bathists back into power, so he should conceivably be glad to hear that this is not in fact happening at all.
But here's the problem: I think this goes a long way towards clearing up why Alex is so insistent on this false reality here.
Alex is trapped.
Imagine that he acknowledges the real world and debathification.
He needs to have an angle on it, and nothing works.
Alex isn't equipped to express opposition to debathification and has already told the audience repeatedly that Saddam and his party are essentially globalist CIA shills.
Supporting debathification is even worse, since the architects of that plan are the very people he spends all day on air decrying his secret Trotskyites.
People like Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz.
Alex can't be on the same page as them.
His only real option is to pretend it's all fake, which is what he's done by constructing the illusion that two-thirds of the Bath Party members are being put into power in December 2003.
In some ways, Alex is lazy and stupid, but sometimes he's doing the only thing he can within the confines he's restricted himself to thanks to his laziness and stupidity.