Today, Dan and Jordan continue their viewing of Alex's coverage of Saddam Hussein's capture. In this installment, equally dumb theories begin to develop both at Infowars and at Knowledge Fight HQ. Follow this link to get tickets to our upcoming live show at X-Ray Arcade on 3/3
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Dan and Jordan, I'm sweating. | |
| Knowledgefight.com It's time to pray. | ||
| I have great respect for knowledge fight. | ||
| Knowledge fight. | ||
| I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys. | ||
| Knowledge fight. | ||
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Dan and Jordan. | |
| Knowledge fight. | ||
| I need money. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Stop it. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| It's time to pray. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding us. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your world. | ||
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Knowledge Fight. | |
| KnowledgeFight.com. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Hey, everybody. | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
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I'm Jordan. | |
| We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, worship at the altar of Celine, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Oh, indeed we are. | ||
| Dan. | ||
| Jordan. | ||
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Dan. | |
| Jordan. | ||
| I have a quick question for you, sir. | ||
| What's up? | ||
| What's your bright spot today? | ||
| My bright spot today, Jordan, is I had some Wendy's. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Alright. | ||
| Did we do a gig together five years ago? | ||
| Is that what just happened? | ||
| What are you talking about? | ||
| The last time I ate Wendy's was when you and I were... | ||
| This is weird that you're expecting that to be a reference that's hot on... | ||
| People will catch that one. | ||
| No, I'm talking to you! | ||
| I don't even remember that. | ||
| That's fair. | ||
| That's how often I eat Wendy's. | ||
| I remember doing some gigs with you and stuff, but I don't remember necessarily Wendy's being a huge part of it. | ||
| So I went to Wendy's. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I love a Wendy's spicy chicken sandwich. | ||
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Of course. | |
| It's a fantastic Sammy. | ||
| Delicious. | ||
| I enjoy the spicy chicken nuggets. | ||
| They have good spicy chicken is what I'm saying. | ||
| So I decided to go a little off the beaten path. | ||
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Okay. | |
| And they have a sandwich. | ||
| Here we go. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Garlic knot bun. | ||
| What? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Hold the fucking phone. | ||
| Fried chicken patty. | ||
| Garlic knot bun. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Fried chicken patty. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Marinara. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And a block of fried mozzarella. | ||
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What? | |
| Like a mozzarella stick patty. | ||
| What is happening? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's insane. | ||
| That's a pizza sandwich? | ||
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Is that what that is? | |
| No, it's like a chicken parm kind of sandwich. | ||
| It's like a chicken parm. | ||
| But made into a fast food sandwich. | ||
| From Wendy's. | ||
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So good. | |
| It's good. | ||
| It's good. | ||
| Of course it's good. | ||
| That's fucking... | ||
| Of course it's good. | ||
| It's a disaster. | ||
| It's kind of like the famous bowl, or the double down in terms of... | ||
| Egregiousness. | ||
| Whoever conceived of this is a monster, but it was good. | ||
| Right, right, right, of course. | ||
| I'm not proud. | ||
| I think that's one of those, like, oh, you can definitely trace evolutionary science through that because you're like, oh, the only way that a body would appreciate this much fat is if 10 million years ago we were fucking starving all the time. | ||
| Like, that's the only excuse for why this sandwich works. | ||
| Oh, a sandwich with a fried mozzarella stick chunk. | ||
| So gross. | ||
| Oh, so good. | ||
| So gross. | ||
| What's your bright spot? | ||
| My bright spot is, well, I mean, it's been in the works for a while. | ||
| But it's nice to be able to say it publicly now. | ||
| We are going to be doing a live performance show. | ||
| This is the first I'm hearing of this. | ||
| Yeah, I was excited to tell you, most of all. | ||
| We're going to go to Wendy's? | ||
| We're going to go to Wendy's on the way there and on the way back. | ||
| What fun. | ||
| Yeah, we're going to do a live show. | ||
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In? | |
| In Milwaukee at the X-Ray Arcade. | ||
| What? | ||
| It's an arcade? | ||
| Yes, it is. | ||
| It's a beercade. | ||
| It's a thingamajig. | ||
| And the tickets will go on sale today, Friday, if you're listening to this, at 10 a.m. | ||
| Okay, so actually a lot of people listen to this before that point. | ||
| So you're going to have to wait until the morning. | ||
| You are going to have to wait. | ||
| You shouldn't listen to this before 10 a.m. | ||
| I think that's the lesson here. | ||
| It's a Gremlins thing. | ||
| Yeah, you need to have at least three cups of coffee before you can listen to this show. | ||
| Yeah, so we're doing that. | ||
| What date is that? | ||
| March 3rd. | ||
| I believe that's a Saturday. | ||
| Saturday, March... | ||
| March 3rd. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Our show does not lend itself to a live show. | ||
| That's why we haven't done many. | ||
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Yes. | |
| Other shows do. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, I understand that people like podcasts and they like live podcasts. | ||
| What is a podcast but two people or three people sitting around talking? | ||
| Seems like it would make sense. | ||
| Seems like people still enjoy that somehow, but I feel very weird. | ||
| I understand. | ||
| I have a bit of a discomfort about how uncomfortable it is. | ||
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To sit on a stage and press clips and stuff. | |
| I know. | ||
| But yeah, it's time, I guess. | ||
| It's been a while. | ||
| Yeah, well, you know, we'll do one every now and again. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Until we remember that we don't do those. | ||
| And it's also strange because I'm like, what the fuck are we going to cover? | ||
| I mean, I guess, I was thinking like Milwaukee is a big beer city. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Maybe a time Alex is drunk. | ||
| That would work. | ||
| I can't randomly find that, though. | ||
| It doesn't seem to be in our power. | ||
| We've covered some great drunk times of his, but we've already covered them. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| The problem is I was pushing for the live show. | ||
| It seems like it should go the other way. | ||
| You should be like, hey, I found a topic that would only work for a live show, and then we can do one, instead of me forcing you into a state of panic. | ||
| And especially if I found something that was like, oh, this is relevant to a certain city. | ||
| To a certain city, we gotta go there. | ||
| Jordan, plan a show in Tucson. | ||
| We'll get there in two years! | ||
| So yeah, that'll be fun. | ||
| That will be fun. | ||
| It'll be interesting to see... | ||
| We have a pretty dispersed audience. | ||
| It'll be interesting to see what kind of a draw we could have in any place. | ||
| I'm fascinated because it very well could... | ||
| Could be two tickets or it could be sold out at 10.30. | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| I feel like the problem for us is other people have audiences in places. | ||
| And I think we just have ten people in every city in the entire world. | ||
| But I think that other people who do shows also look at some demographic information or they have ads that help them. | ||
| Geolocate and target audiences. | ||
| That does make sense. | ||
| We don't. | ||
| The closest we have to that is me sending out buttons. | ||
| And I can generally tell you we should be doing a show in Scotland. | ||
| In Scotland only. | ||
| Australia and Scotland. | ||
| Those are where we should go. | ||
| If the mayor of Edinburgh is a walk, we will go there for the key to the city. | ||
| That is what we will do. | ||
| Yeah, sure. | ||
| I want the key to Edinburgh. | ||
| Any city in Scotland, really. | ||
| It doesn't have to be Edinburgh. | ||
| No, it doesn't. | ||
| So Jordan, today we have an episode. | ||
| Indeed we do. | ||
| So here's the situation. | ||
| We've been waiting for the 2023 predictions. | ||
| And I got fed the fuck up. | ||
| It's almost 2024 based on how long these predictions are taking. | ||
| Alex came back to studio on Sunday. | ||
| So he was back in studio Sunday evening. | ||
| Show sucked. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But he's still covered in twigs and stuff from the woods. | ||
| Might as well have been. | ||
| Emotionally twig-covered. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| I'm listening. | ||
| I'm trying to find these predictions. | ||
| I'm not finding them, and I'm becoming demotivated. | ||
| Honestly. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Like, even from a show perspective, I'm becoming demotivated because I'm just listening to Alex do the same shit. | ||
| It's the same COVID narratives, just repackaged. | ||
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Right. | |
| It's just a new... | ||
| Someone on Twitter has a new graph that makes the same error as all of the other ones, and now it's a smoking bombshell. | ||
| That works. | ||
| You know, okay, oh, great. | ||
| The Bolsonaro, he had the election stolen, just like in 2020. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And so... | ||
| Oh, it was Antifa again? | ||
| Well, it's the communists under the sway of Lula who have false flagged, taking over the capital in Brasilia. | ||
| That makes sense. | ||
| Here's why that makes sense. | ||
| Because when the Antifa did it in the United States, that worked. | ||
| Why wouldn't you do it again? | ||
| Right. | ||
| And... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Like I said, it's demotivating. | ||
| Yeah, that is demotivating. | ||
| I get you. | ||
| And I found myself cutting clips, and I'm like, well, here's an episode. | ||
| I don't want to do it. | ||
| I just don't want to do it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And so... | ||
| So we're doing a live show, and we'll see you in March. | ||
| All right, everybody! | ||
| And then, I just was like, all right, we're going back to the past. | ||
| So we're doing 2003. | ||
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Good. | |
| We're going to talk about December 16th, 2003. | ||
| All right. | ||
| And, hey, we're going to get a little bit of the fallout of Saddam's capture, of course. | ||
| That was where we last left off in the past. | ||
| Right, he was in a hole. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So there's some interesting things to be learned on that front, how that conspiracy is going. | ||
| And we'll get to that. | ||
| But before we do, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks. | ||
| Ooh, that's a great idea. | ||
| So first, Matt, the facts are there, but no one even cares. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much! | ||
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Thank you. | |
| Next, Chloe binge-listened to all the formulaic objections, and now her girlfriend thinks she's objecting to her form. | ||
| In parentheses, she's mad. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much! | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Next, just a little titty baby. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Next, why am I being charged so much to live in your brain when everyone else gets to live their rent free? | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
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Thank you very much. | |
| I'm guessing that has to do with Norm. | ||
| Ah, probably. | ||
| Who's been tweeting about how he's on a six-month vacation. | ||
| Good for you, Norm. | ||
| Good for you, Norm. | ||
| Next, Hufflepuffs for trans rights. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Next, Caracot. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk! | ||
| Thank you very much! | ||
| Next, Emily, Frankie-san, and Scottsquatch. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk! | ||
| Thank you very much! | ||
| I would watch that show. | ||
| And Damus, an Aussie man. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much, Deimos and Aussie Man. | ||
| Or Damu, maybe? | ||
| Damu, that could be work, yeah. | ||
| So, also just wanted to say a nice bit of feedback. | ||
| The Sebastian Murdoch's article in the Huffington Post came out this morning as we were recording. | ||
| And some folks have said some very nice things about, hey, you reached out to Dan. | ||
| I have read Alex's texts with Tucker. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And I think that Sebastian's got a good handle on that. | ||
| Indeed. | ||
| So good work over there. | ||
| And good job, Sebastian! | ||
| Also, it's fun to be friends. | ||
| So we're going to start here, and here's where Alex is at vis-a-vis Saddam Hussein. | ||
| It's Tuesday, the 16th of December, 2003. | ||
| I'm Alex Jones, your host. | ||
| We're going to be live here the next three hours. | ||
| We will talk more about the whole Saddam Hussein situation and the latest developments here politically with that. | ||
| And take your calls and get your response, your insight, your take on it. | ||
| We haven't had Paul Joseph Watson of PrisonPlanet.com, my webmaster and researcher. | ||
| On in a few weeks. | ||
| We've got him coming on in the second hour to talk about the Saddam situation and, of course, mainstream headlines that MI6 may have been involved in the murder of Princess Diana. | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
| Wait, that... | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
| Okay, hold on. | ||
| Are these two things connected? | ||
| No. | ||
| But we got Princess Diana news. | ||
| Gotta bring in our British prison planet guy. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| We got the P. Dyer news. | ||
| Yeah, I gotcha. | ||
| And then we've got the Saddam Hussein situation. | ||
| And I do think that it's probably the most worthless exercise to spend your time taking calls from Alex's listeners. | ||
| What's your take on this? | ||
| That was my question. | ||
| What take could you possibly have? | ||
| What good is it gonna do to helping you understand the situation to talk to people who have been listening to you? | ||
| Yes! | ||
| Here's my take. | ||
| I think he's not him. | ||
| It's a false flag. | ||
| There are some interesting takes. | ||
| I mean, they're not helpful, but they're interesting. | ||
| We'll hear those over the course of this episode. | ||
| But there's something that happened, or something that Alex brought up, that made me remember where we were in time that made me very excited. | ||
| Because I had forgotten about this. | ||
| And look, I mean, Howard Dean, George W. Bush, doesn't matter who wins the election, folks. | ||
| They're all globalists, the same agenda, gun control, open borders, more nafta and gout. | ||
| It's all the same stuff. | ||
| At this point, Howard Dean was the frontrunner. | ||
| He was the presumptive person who was probably going to be the Democratic candidate. | ||
| He doesn't do the yell until January. | ||
| That was the last time a progressive candidate really felt like we had a shot. | ||
| That was the one. | ||
| And then he went, yeah! | ||
| And that was it. | ||
| We are a month away from that at this point. | ||
| So now that's given me some juice to stay in the past. | ||
| How's he going to cover Howard Dean screaming? | ||
| I'm never going to be able to handle living in my lifetime having gone through Howard Dean just going, And his campaign fucking ending. | ||
| To be fair, it was a pretty wild scream. | ||
| It was a pretty wild scream. | ||
| I will admit that. | ||
| I will admit that. | ||
| We're going to get into the nitty gritty on that. | ||
| We're going to dig deep into that scream when it comes up in January on Alex's show. | ||
| But for now... | ||
| There is something to the ululation of that scream that is specific and unique. | ||
| Oh, we're going to be looking at decibel levels. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| We're going to be looking at waveforms. | ||
| Here's the dynamic range here. | ||
| What is it about this that terrified the world? | ||
| I think what happened was he reached 8,400 hertz, and that was just too much for the old people. | ||
| They can't hear that high normally. | ||
| And then he got that, the end. | ||
| That's the way it happened. | ||
| That's a good theory. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So, there are some people out there in the world who are questioning stuff about the Saddam capture. | ||
| And some of these people are weirdos like Alex. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And then some of them are in the halls of power. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Washington. | ||
| Congressman questions Saddam timing. | ||
| This is out of the Associated Press. | ||
| The Washington congressman, who criticized President Bush while visiting Baghdad last year, has questioned the timing of the capture of deposed Iraqi President Saddam Hussein. | ||
| Representative Jim McDermott, Democrat from Washington State, told a Seattle radio station Monday the U.S. military could have found Saddam a long time ago if they wanted to. | ||
| Asked if he thought the weekend capture was time to help Bush. | ||
| McDermott chuckled and said, yeah, oh yeah. | ||
| The Democrat congressman went on to say, there's too much. | ||
| By happenstance for it to be just a coincidental thing. | ||
| When interviewed by Dave Ross, asked again if he meant to imply that Bush administration timed the capture for political reasons. | ||
| McDermott said, I don't know that it was definitely planned on the weekend, but I know they've been in contact with people all along who knew basically where he was. | ||
| It was just a matter of time until they find him. | ||
| It's funny, McDermott added, when they've been having all this trouble, suddenly they have to roll out something. | ||
| Later in that same article, it says, quote, McDermott, in a telephone interview with the Associated Press, called the timing of Saddam's capture suspicious, but said he was not alleging it had been intentionally delayed. | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| Basically, he was saying, hey, man, I'm just talking shit here. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I'm just talking shit. | ||
| No, I mean, yeah, that's the one where it's like, if you're going to do that, that way madness, anything could be, oh, it's so suspicious. | ||
| The man was in a hole for, what, months? | ||
| Yeah, of course the time. | ||
| Timing was suspicious. | ||
| Finding him in a hole is always going to be suspicious. | ||
| No matter what time. | ||
| Yeah, no matter what time. | ||
| Now, the other thing is, you have this McDermott, and you have some other comments from folks who are like, yeah, we're pretty close to finding Saddam, we think. | ||
| And this has turned into them pre-scripting it. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| Letting you know ahead of time, hey, we're about to find him. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| As opposed to just being like, yeah, we've looked at some intelligence, we have some good leads. | ||
| Yeah, we got some updates. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Like any detective would give you. | ||
| Alex is taking stuff like that and turning it into, like, there was foreknowledge. | ||
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Of course. | |
| And that means that they had him on ice. | ||
| Right. | ||
| No, I mean, by that logic, any time a police department catches a murderer, it's because they were the murderer. | ||
| Right, whenever they give press conferences about how they have some leads that they're developing. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| That's because they've been murdering. | ||
| You guys have been murdering out there. | ||
| I see you. | ||
| I see you. | ||
| Alex has taught us to read between the lines, man. | ||
| It's helped us. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's helped us a great deal. | ||
| So, look. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| There's some things that you need to consider about this Saddam character that they found in this hole. | ||
| I heard he's a bad guy. | ||
| Well, definitely. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But you have to think about the appearance of this person, right? | ||
| Well, he looked like he was in a hole. | ||
| He did. | ||
| And part of that was his big beard. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But also, maybe that beard was suspicious. | ||
| By the way, it's being pointed out that Saddam's beard... | ||
| And again, the average person can grow a beard that long in about a year or longer. | ||
| That makes scientific sense. | ||
| But let's face it, Donald grows a beard twice as fast. | ||
| Half an inch, three quarters of an inch a month. | ||
| He had a six-inch beard, folks. | ||
| He was supposedly videotaped a month after the globalists took over Iraq running around without a beard, just with his mustache. | ||
| So that's three and a half months. | ||
| How did he grow that huge beard? | ||
| And why is the beard gray right up? | ||
| To his temples, because, folks, I've seen a million beards, so have you. | ||
| If somebody's going to have gray, solid gray, up to their temples, and it's not going to turn black suddenly at the temple, right up to the top of his head. | ||
| But his hair is black with no gray in it, and then suddenly you get to his beard and it turns gray. | ||
| Just instantly. | ||
| I do not find this compelling. | ||
| This is not quite the Zapruder film. | ||
| This is a little bit less. | ||
| Now, let's assume a beard growth of 2X. | ||
| Gray and to the left. | ||
| Gray. | ||
| And to the left. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I mean, I feel like I've seen those pictures. | ||
| He has a pretty big beard. | ||
| But also, I'm somebody who always has had pretty quick hair growth just in general. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| No, you're absurd. | ||
| I don't find it to be that weird that he has that big a beard. | ||
| And also, I don't think it's that weird to have salt and pepper areas. | ||
| No, absolutely not. | ||
| And Alex is pretending that it's like a Santa white beard. | ||
| Oh, totally. | ||
| And then it's black up top. | ||
| And that's not accurate at all. | ||
| No. | ||
| And... | ||
| It's not like he couldn't have died something. | ||
| No, no! | ||
| He would have had the opportunity in the hole. | ||
| It makes the most sense for him to die. | ||
| Right. | ||
| He's a guy who dyed his hair, for sure. | ||
| Like, that's easy to take that leap of logic there. | ||
| But nothing in that is convincing to me that this is... | ||
| Wait, so... | ||
| But what is the ultimate end of this? | ||
| Well, that's my question. | ||
| It's not him? | ||
| Right? | ||
| I mean, like, if you're saying that he couldn't have possibly grown a beard long enough in the time since he was last spotted, or whatever, then you'd have to say that either the person who you spotted previously isn't really him, or the person who they captured wasn't really him. | ||
| Those are the only two conclusions here. | ||
| Or, the one they captured was wearing a fake beard for some reason. | ||
| Right. | ||
| There is some tossing around of that possibility. | ||
| Right, but that seems... | ||
| Utterly insane. | ||
| Of all the things for that man to do. | ||
| Well, but they also, like, the people who captured him also shaved him fairly quickly after. | ||
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Sure, sure. | |
| Down to his mustache. | ||
| Wait, they left him a mustache? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I guess that's polite. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Is that polite? | ||
| Yeah, let him have his dignity with the mustache. | ||
| Sure, I mean, I suppose. | ||
| I'm only going to pronounce it that way from now on. | ||
| I mean, that's the only way to pronounce it. | ||
| So I'm noticing in December 2003 a bit of a consistent pattern. | ||
| A very, very strong trend. | ||
| This happens every day. | ||
| The lady that takes those orders down and sends them out to you from right here in Texas, she's Debbie Morrow, and to tell you how the new Black Berkey made America works and what these systems can do for you is Debbie. | ||
| Debbie, thanks for being on the show with us. | ||
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Hi there, Alex. | |
| Thanks for having me. | ||
| You bet. | ||
| His water sponsor is on every day. | ||
| The water filter people are on for a bit of paid programming every day. | ||
| Looks like they put more than 15 to 20k down. | ||
| Well, yeah. | ||
| But again, it's clear. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It is clear that this is a sponsor. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| It is trying to drive sales. | ||
| There is no deception about it. | ||
| But boy, is it every day. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| I suppose that's the real question there, is at what point, was it a point, did they try it one time where they're like, what if we just don't say that it's brokered, and then it never got bad, and so they just kept doing it? | ||
| Or did they decide, this is when we're going to stop saying that it's brokered programming? | ||
| Was it just random? | ||
| Like, what happened? | ||
| Well, an interesting wrinkle from the Tim Fruget deposition stuff is that he wasn't around in 2003. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| He wasn't around this early. | ||
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No. | |
| So this time predates any of that, that possible pay-to-play kind of dynamic. | ||
| That he would know about. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I don't think that Alex has enough... | ||
| Juice, at this point, to demand a $15,000 price tag for an appearance. | ||
| But I'm just saying, it's pretty consistent, it's pretty regular, and it's getting annoying. | ||
| Yeah, I believe it. | ||
| They don't have the goods. | ||
| Oh no, the water filter people aren't also brilliant improv performers? | ||
| No. | ||
| Odd. | ||
| So, we had a beard conspiracy. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| A beard-spiracy. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| And now we have another eye-spiracy. | ||
| What's on your mind today, Cliff? | ||
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Well, you know, I've just been kind of watching these little videos they have on the news channels of Buzz the Dime, and I think from looking at his mannerisms and this and that, I know that it might be him, but I don't know if they just found him in a hole. | |
| I think they've probably had him. | ||
| Do you know him well enough for his mannerisms to really be here? | ||
| Well, here's the problem. | ||
| Number one, they admit he had at least ten body doubles. | ||
| I have government announcements from eight months ago where they're talking about number two Saddam, number eight Saddam, number seven Saddam, number ten Saddam, number three Saddam. | ||
| And so we say it looks like Saddam. | ||
| That's because we've seen the doubles so many times, or is it really Saddam? | ||
| But then they point out that Saddam had dark black eyes. | ||
| This guy has light. | ||
| Brown eyes. | ||
| He has white brown eyes, almost green eyes. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Look, what are we saying here? | ||
| We're saying this isn't him, right? | ||
| Right. | ||
| It has to be. | ||
| He has different eyes. | ||
| If he has different eyes, it cannot be him. | ||
| He has different eyes and an impossible beard. | ||
| So either he has got a fake beard and contacts on. | ||
| Or it is not him. | ||
| And do you see the hand gestures when he speaks? | ||
| Do you see the way he walks? | ||
| This is not... | ||
| I swear to you, my wife, I would not be like, uh-uh. | ||
| That's not the mannerisms of my wife. | ||
| Mannerisms? | ||
| I'm not going to try and identify somebody based on their mannerisms, especially if I've only seen them on TV. | ||
| Well, no, these people intimately know Saddam. | ||
| Intimately know Saddam? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So it seems like... | ||
| He always raises his right hand whenever he drinks tea, obviously. | ||
| He's well known. | ||
| Yes, well known. | ||
| In intimate circles. | ||
| So you could get a sense that the point that's being driven at here is that... | ||
| It's not Saddam. | ||
| But they're not saying that. | ||
| They're not saying that, which seems difficult. | ||
| But it's hard to figure out what another conclusion would be from these conspiracies and these pieces of information that they're pretending are important. | ||
| I'm going to throw this out at you. | ||
| Here's my conspiracy, alright? | ||
| We know that Saddam has ten body doubles. | ||
| At least. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Right? | ||
| So what if, at a certain point of time, Saddam went to each body double and was like, okay. | ||
| I'm going to pick the best features from each one of my body doubles and then put them on my face to become the perfect Saddam. | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
| Now, what about this for a conspiracy? | ||
| Saddam doesn't have body doubles, but he likes to play dress up. | ||
| As things that are very close to himself. | ||
| Okay, okay, okay. | ||
| So he's like doing... | ||
| It's like a Halloween costume of himself. | ||
| And he really enjoys that. | ||
| And so in order to not look weird, everyone has to say that he has a bunch of body dolls. | ||
| Like if Ken Griffey Jr. was on the Reds and he went to Halloween wearing a Mariner's jersey. | ||
| That's the type of situation you're talking about here. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Or with just a slightly different nose or something. | ||
| Or like, I don't know, eyebrows that are a little different or something. | ||
| He's just shaved a little white stripe in his arm. | ||
| Just a little different. | ||
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Just to see. | |
| That was Saddam's quirk. | ||
| Are you going to wear a Halloween costume this year? | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| My body double will be coming to the party. | ||
| And everybody has to act like it's not him, like he's his body double? | ||
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Oh, he's the dictator. | |
| Oh, my God. | ||
| It's so good to not have to talk to Saddam around you, Saddam's body double. | ||
| You're so chill compared to him. | ||
| He's uptight. | ||
| So, one of my favorite movies for many years, and I haven't watched it in a while, but I think I still like it, Waking Life. | ||
| Great movie. | ||
| I enjoy... | ||
| I like movies where people are just talking. | ||
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Just saying stuff. | |
| It's a lot of talking. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's a big talkie. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I enjoy sort of the lucid dreaming aspect of it. | ||
| I like the kind of, some of the ideas that are being thrown around are fun ideas to think about. | ||
| And of course, Alex Jones is in it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That is not quite... | ||
| On the top of your list. | ||
| I don't know if it's the first time I ever saw Alex Jones, but it very well might be. | ||
| It seems like an obvious one. | ||
| Because I remember the first time I saw Waking Life, and I didn't see the person in the car screaming and be like, that's Alex Jones! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So I wouldn't be, like, I wouldn't know his mannerisms. | ||
| Right. | ||
| At that point. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But he has probably the most uproarious. | ||
| In the movie, there's a lot of scenes that are Wiley Wiggins just talking to somebody. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| And they're talking about human psychology or stuff like that. | ||
| And Alex is driving around with a bullhorn yelling about how humanity's gonna make it because they're too good. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so it's definitely a different feel from the rest of the movie. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I remember seeing the movie when I was younger. | ||
| And obviously you take note of the crazy screaming guy, but it wasn't until literally, I mean, into a few months of us doing the show that I was like, oh shit, you're right! | ||
| That was Alex fucking Jones in Waking Life. | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| Yeah, I saw it at the Ragtag Cinema Cafe in Columbia, Missouri. | ||
| Back when it was a really small fucking theater, they had like... | ||
| Thrown together second-hand chairs for the... | ||
| That was your indie movie theater kind of place? | ||
| It grew a bit towards the end of my time there, and I'm sure it's still... | ||
| It grew to the point where it had a full bar and everything, but at this point it was just a room. | ||
| Just a church basement. | ||
| Yeah, and so that's where I saw Awaken Life. | ||
| But anyway, Alex, sure. | ||
| Maybe one of the scene-stealing situations. | ||
| No one's going to argue. | ||
| But here's what he has to say about his star turn in Waking Life. | ||
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And it's like you said in The Waking Life. | |
| It's all a big buffet of lies, and I'm not eating it. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Fake laugh. | ||
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Well, thanks, Alex. | |
| You're doing a great service to the country. | ||
| Hey, I appreciate you, my friend. | ||
| Yeah, for those that don't know, I never tried to be in a Hollywood movie, but it was a Fox Searchlight production. | ||
| And the director called me up, Richard Linklater, and he said, hey, you want to be in a movie? | ||
| And they say, according to the news article, whose article was it? | ||
| It was that Ebert guy that my scene at the film festivals would get standing ovations. | ||
| I know it did here in Austin when they showed it, but that was a lot of fun being in that movie. | ||
| And yeah, it's my best rant ever in that film, and it's got Ethan Hawke in it and a bunch of other people. | ||
| As well, but I want to get off into discussions of movies. | ||
| It is debatably his best rant ever. | ||
| I mean, yeah. | ||
| But also, I find it difficult to imagine that that would get standing ovations at festivals or in theaters for a couple reasons. | ||
| One, it's in the middle of the movie. | ||
| It's in the middle of the movie is a big problem. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Second... | ||
| I think that the crowd that's drawn to waking life is not going to necessarily be the kind of crowd that gets riled up. | ||
| No. | ||
| It's a snooty kind of, maybe a calm intellectual type audience generally that's going to be attracted to a movie where, hey, what happens in it? | ||
| People talk to each other. | ||
| Their most violent tendencies tend towards the scathing word. | ||
| Is what one might say. | ||
| I would be more prone to believe that you'd get a standing ovation for the scene where it's Ethan Hawke and Julie Delpy reprising their characters from Before Sunrise. | ||
| Yes, yeah, yeah, I believe that. | ||
| I 100% believe that. | ||
| Yes, 100%. | ||
| That seems to be, or the Speed Levitch scene. | ||
| That's going to be more likely to get a standing ovation from that crowd. | ||
| A bunch of dorks, and I say that with all kindness. | ||
| Yeah, I was going to say, you would be in there. | ||
| You would be hanging out with them dorks. | ||
| Yeah, probably. | ||
| So anyway, we get some calls, some more calls. | ||
| Another guy's got a theory. | ||
| KC, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
| Go ahead. | ||
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Thanks, Alex. | |
| God bless you. | ||
| I appreciate your call. | ||
| What's on your mind? | ||
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Well, I'd just like to caution everybody. | |
| First of all, when there's this many lips moving about any subject, there's something funny. | ||
| Down home wisdom. | ||
| To me, I think that none of them are him. | ||
| I mean, they're just playing a shell game with these photographs. | ||
| If you look at the ones that they just showed with the beard and the one without the beard next to them, it looks like that face was built around those eyes. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Well, let me say this. | ||
| There's no real discussion other than Dan Rather saying hours after the announcement Sunday morning that this is him, we've done DNA testing, we've proven it, dental records, then it came out, the government never said that, so Dan Rather was just making that up. | ||
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His lips were moving. | |
| Yeah, his lips were moving, and then we add to this all the lies they've told us in the past. | ||
| This is fun. | ||
| Here's a new conspiracy. | ||
| There is no Saddam. | ||
| I was gonna say! | ||
| There's only body doubles. | ||
| No one's ever seen the real Saddam. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's like Blofeld. | ||
| He died in 82. Yeah, exactly. | ||
| It's only been body doubles since then. | ||
| He's Kaiser goddamn Sose, is what's going on here. | ||
| And to check in on what Alex is saying here, they did take DNA samples when Saddam was captured, and he also straight up just admitted, that's me. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, why not at that point? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| By December 14th, the president of the Iraqi Governing Council, Abdelaziz Al-Hakim, had announced that the DNA tests had confirmed that Saddam was, in fact, Saddam. | ||
| That was two days before this episode that we're listening to aired. | ||
| Alex is saying that it was just Dan Rather making stuff up. | ||
| Just Dan Rather making it up. | ||
| You know how old Dan used to be. | ||
| Come the fuck on, Alex. | ||
| I've never been able to get over the... | ||
| And it's a macabre thought. | ||
| It's a macabre thought, but I've never been able to get over the idea of... | ||
| Of somebody just knowing where Saddam was and then just being like... | ||
| Backing up a giant trailer of dirt and just dropping it over there and just being like, I've never seen the guy. | ||
| No idea where he is. | ||
| And then we just never find him. | ||
| You were right. | ||
| That is a macabre thought. | ||
| It's a macabre thought, but it's like the idea of never finding Saddam because he was in a hole underground that somebody almost accidentally just paved over is insane to me. | ||
| Yeah, but you kind of think that eventually that story would come out. | ||
| Sure, it'd have to. | ||
| Or it'd be told eventually. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I don't think you'd ever be able to. | ||
| To be a legend that will never be solved. | ||
| No, I know. | ||
| But I mean, you know, it's kind of like that modern version of... | ||
| D.B. Cooper? | ||
| No, when they found King Charlemagne's bones in like a parking garage in the UK or whatever it was. | ||
| I don't know if it was Charlemagne or whatever. | ||
| But it was an old like 600 A.D. kind of thing. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| You misunderstand. | ||
| They found a bootlegged copy of the Steely Dan song Kid Charlemagne. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| My bad, my bad. | ||
| We went... | ||
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That's the way to do it. | |
| That's a good song. | ||
| Maybe? | ||
| Let's not go crazy. | ||
| So, there's some big news, man, on the legislative front. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| We know that Alex is opposed to the Patriot Act. | ||
| He's opposed to Patriot Act 2, which didn't exist. | ||
| But apparently it does. | ||
| Oh, no, it does now? | ||
| It got signed. | ||
| Oh, no! | ||
| Bush signed Patriot Act 2 this weekend. | ||
| Did you know that? | ||
| I just learned that from Ron Paul yesterday and never even got to it. | ||
| That's coming up with Paul Watson. | ||
| I find it completely impossible to believe that Patriot Act 2 got signed. | ||
| Alex forgot to get to it on yesterday's show. | ||
| Hey, listen. | ||
| You know, sometimes we were busy. | ||
| We were talking about other stuff. | ||
| One of the most singular obsessions of my show is... | ||
| I just forgot. | ||
| No, but that's how many body doubles of Saddam there are. | ||
| That's why they caught him when they did, is so they could sign Patriot Act 2 without Alex having the time or... | ||
| I would think that that would be the exact conspiracy you would go with. | ||
| It's right there. | ||
| It's on the table. | ||
| And it's not really. | ||
| That's insane. | ||
| Yeah, that is really strange. | ||
| So, we got a caller here, and he does some street teamwork for Alex. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Promotional work. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And this kind of bummed me out. | ||
| Let's talk to John in Texas. | ||
| John, good to hear from you. | ||
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Hey, Alex. | |
| How you doing? | ||
| Fantastic. | ||
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Good. | |
| First of all, God bless you, man. | ||
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I listen to you all the time, and I print out stuff from various websites and yours, including yours and Prison Planet, and I hand it out to people when they don't leave me, and they inevitably get really quiet. | |
| Yep. | ||
| They do. | ||
| Yes, they do. | ||
| He is presenting this like a, oh, I stunned them into silence with my truth. | ||
| Maybe they're just like... | ||
| The end of us communicating. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They get real quiet because they don't want to talk to me anymore. | ||
| They don't want to speak to me ever again. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They get real quiet. | ||
| I wouldn't tell the story this way. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| I mean, that's a little bit like, okay, I wore my Klan outfit to the BET Awards, and they got real quiet. | ||
| Real quiet. | ||
| It's like, well, yes, they did, sir. | ||
| Ask yourself why. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So Paul Joseph Watson comes along, and he joins Alex for a little bit. | ||
| They end up taking some calls together, which we'll get to, but he also has a warning. | ||
| To the people who are speculating about Saddam. | ||
| Paul, what's your take on the situation? | ||
| Well, first off, Alex, I think a lot of people are being led up the garden path on one issue, and we need to sort of amputate completely a line of inquiry that is serving as a distraction, and there's a lot of disinformation on it already. | ||
| And that is the, yes, it is the real, in inverted commas, Saddam who's saying it's not a double. | ||
| And I've been receiving dozens of emails saying, you know, compare the no's, compare the yeas. | ||
| Stop telling me it's not him! | ||
| It's him! | ||
| I know it's him. | ||
| It's the same man, and some are saying that you can't do a DNA test that quickly when, in fact, if you have everything prepared before, and then you can finish a DNA test in... | ||
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All I said, Paul, was, is that... | |
| We know he had at least ten doubles, so it's okay to ask that question. | ||
| Yeah, and that's all we're doing at the moment, because as I said, I mean, expect something to come out a major smoking good in the next three weeks or so, which will confirm it either way. | ||
| Yeah, so Paul is saying that we need to amputate this line of questioning about it being a different person, because this is Saddam, and it's nonsense, these people who are questioning all this stuff. | ||
| And also, you can do a DNA test that quickly, basically debunking all of the things that Alex has been saying. | ||
| Everything that Alex himself has been saying. | ||
| And then Alex is like, hey, now, hold on, there's a bunch of body doubles so we can make questions about this. | ||
| And Paul's like, yeah, you bet you can. | ||
| What are they even doing? | ||
| It is hard not to think, like, well, I mean, you can ask questions. | ||
| If I was Paul, I'd be like, yes, you can ask questions. | ||
| I'm giving you the answers. | ||
| After you get the answers, the question time is done. | ||
| I'm giving you the answers to these questions, and I'm also going to tell you that continuing to go down these line of questions make you look like an idiot. | ||
| And it seems like you want to continue going down these lines. | ||
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Hey, Paul, did I tell you about his beard? | |
| Great. | ||
| No, I get that. | ||
| I get that. | ||
| But it is... | ||
| Okay, well... | ||
| Teleologically, we will end up in the same place, Alex. | ||
| Do you understand this? | ||
| It seems like neither of them have much of a backbone in terms of where they stand on these conspiracies. | ||
| Paul comes in appearing to have one, but then gets cowed by Alex. | ||
| Of course you can ask questions, and that's all we're doing right now. | ||
| We're just asking questions. | ||
| Again, there is an answer. | ||
| It's Saddam. | ||
| It's him. | ||
| It's him. | ||
| So we get another call, and this guy has some thoughts about taxes. | ||
| Tom in Colorado. | ||
| Tom, welcome, sir. | ||
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Thank you. | |
| Good morning, gentlemen. | ||
| Alex, it's a pleasure. | ||
| Good to talk to you. | ||
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This is probably a little off-topic, but I've only been a short-time listener. | |
| You may have covered this in the past, but I was wondering if you've ever done any investigation on our income tax system and the fact that maybe it does... | ||
| Yeah, I've had former IRS agents, Treasury agents. | ||
| They never ratified the 16th Amendment. | ||
| It's a private collection agency for the Federal Reserve. | ||
| Ron Paul has said that. | ||
| Yes, I've done about 100 shows on it. | ||
| Yeah, so apparently Alex is fully on the they didn't ratify... | ||
| How did they not ratify amendments? | ||
| This is just a big tax protester conspiracy or tax denier conspiracy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, so that's fun. | ||
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How... | |
| He might as well. | ||
| He's right in line with, like, sovereign citizen. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| And the Fed was only passed by three senators and all of that stuff. | ||
| Wayne Paul would have you know. | ||
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Right. | |
| I would like a further explanation of exactly how the sequence of events occurred that an amendment to the fucking Constitution was ratified without actually being ratified. | ||
| Well, it has to do with, like, some weird technicality about, like, ooh, the language is slightly different. | ||
| There's allegations of that. | ||
| I looked into this a while back when Red Beckman was on the show. | ||
| It's all nonsense. | ||
| I'm so annoyed by that idea. | ||
| That's the problem. | ||
| That's what movies have done to people's brains. | ||
| They've convinced them that there's a last-second technicality that will solve all problems. | ||
| If you just think about it hard enough, aha! | ||
| He couldn't have been there! | ||
| His shoe was left untied! | ||
| That's all you need. | ||
| All mystery shows. | ||
| All cop shows. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Terrible. | ||
| So Alex gets another call, and this guy, I thought, was going in an interesting direction. | ||
| I think you'll think that, too. | ||
| Don't get too excited. | ||
| Kenneth in South Carolina, you're on the air. | ||
| Go ahead. | ||
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Alex, I listen to you a great deal, and I enjoy your broadcast, but the last time I called in, you said that unemployment in this country is 16%, and the official figure, when I read the Wall Street Journal all the time, I read Investor's Business Daily. | |
| Those are the leading business newspapers. | ||
| They reported just recently that unemployment is 5.9%. | ||
| Okay, I said that they say unemployment is 6%. | ||
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That's right. | |
| Okay. | ||
| But they only count who is on the unemployment rolls. | ||
| When you go off the rolls, that's not put into the statistic. | ||
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Can you hold me over? | |
| Sure, we'll talk about it on the other side. | ||
| So, this made me think that this guy is confronting Alex about his misinformation about the unemployment rate. | ||
| I mean, he reads the Wall Street Journal all the time. | ||
| Right. | ||
| They have told him the truth. | ||
| And you can tell from Alex's response that he's getting defensive. | ||
| Immediately knows. | ||
| Because his understanding is that this guy is calling me out on my shit. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And so he knows I've got to defend myself. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| So they come back from break, and the caller is agreeing with Alex. | ||
| What? | ||
| Alex himself is confused. | ||
| We're talking, myself and Paul Watson, we're talking to Kenneth in South Carolina. | ||
| Kenneth, when you heard the show the other day, I clearly stated that they claim unemployment's at 6%, but that even in the past, it's always conservatively double that, because it's whoever's gone off the rolls. | ||
| That is how they calculated, and the numbers I've gotten are 15% to 17%, depending on what alternative economist you're looking at. | ||
| I know on my street where I live, a lot of people are unemployed. | ||
| A large percentage of people are taking two or three service jobs. | ||
| And so in some of the statistics, they'll count a person working two jobs as two people employed. | ||
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Is that a middle-income neighborhood where you're living? | |
| Yes. | ||
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Okay, let me just put one more question before you. | |
| Well, no. | ||
| I mean, I'm glad you're asking the question, but I know this. | ||
| Unemployment is well above what they're saying it is. | ||
| But you go ahead. | ||
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Okay. | |
| I used to work in the textile industry, and that was a... | ||
| The textile plants were somewhere, if I wanted to go out, I could always get a job because there were lots of them in this country. | ||
| Now we only make 20% of our textiles in this country. | ||
| Why do people like Rush Limbaugh, and he's echoing our government, they believe that these kinds of jobs are just expendable. | ||
| And in the next five years, the remaining 20% of the textile jobs, they're going to be leaving. | ||
| So why are these jobs just expendable? | ||
| Now, I thought you were disagreeing with me about the actual unemployment numbers. | ||
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I wasn't. | |
| No, I wasn't, but I wanted to ask you a second question. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| It's confusing. | ||
| You, sir, have juked... | ||
| Where I thought you were not going to. | ||
| Yeah, you broke Alex's ankles. | ||
| Indeed. | ||
| Well done. | ||
| So, look, I mean, there are other ways to calculate unemployment rates. | ||
| You know, like, there's some that include underemployment and discouraged worker figures. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And that number is going to be higher than your base unemployment rate. | ||
| That said, that number, including underemployed people, discouraged worker figures, that was just under 10% in December 2003. | ||
| So Alex is right that there are other factors. | ||
| That are at play in unemployment, but he's also exaggerating like he always does. | ||
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I mean, it is. | |
| That's one of those nitpicky arguments, though. | ||
| Like, too often with baseball stats, you know? | ||
| Like, you can talk about wins above replacement average. | ||
| You can. | ||
| But different people calculate it differently. | ||
| Like, there's the baseball prospectus graph, and then there's all this stuff. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| And sure, you can nitpick on unemployment rate. | ||
| Like, what's the total? | ||
| oh, unemployment rate doesn't tell you the total number of unemployed people. | ||
| Well, because who gives a fuck about the total number of unemployed people? | ||
| It's about the thing, you know? | ||
| It doesn't matter if you're arguing about the substance of the statistic if you're not using the statistic Right. | ||
| doing right yeah and you could arguably say that it's for people who are part-time employed who are looking for a full-time job and or or all of those things but you could also include the people who aren't looking for a job that aren't normally counted for you know like it's all of those stuff and at the end of the day if If you're using the stat right, War is going to tell you that Mike Trout is a really good fucking baseball player. | ||
| I get you can get into the nitty gritty of how it's calculated, but it's going to tell you what it's good for by how it works. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Somewhat, yeah. | ||
| I think I understand what you're saying. | ||
| There's no point in arguing over, like, is it 5% or 10%? | ||
| That's my point. | ||
| Well, I think that that is... | ||
| Fair, somewhat. | ||
| But I also think that Alex is, if, like, you know, you have this base rate of about five, and then about ten, including the sort of underemployed folks. | ||
| And then you have Alex saying it's 16. Yeah. | ||
| He's off 50%. | ||
| That's an awful lot. | ||
| So, I mean, it is a relevant amount that he's off from these people who are even including some of the factors that he's discussing. | ||
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Right. | |
| And I think that matters because he's somebody who's, you know, espousing these ideas and saying that he has access to the real truth. | ||
| That's what I'm... | ||
| Yes. | ||
| That's what matters. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Is he was throwing out a number that was bullshit. | ||
| And you can tell because of the real numbers having no... | ||
| They're not that close to that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But arguing whether the actual number of... | ||
| Unemployment, that's not what we're talking about now. | ||
| Not necessarily. | ||
| And I don't think that anybody who actually, like, you know, cares about this stuff and deals with these numbers, I don't think any of them don't understand the difference between, like, the base unemployment rate and this sort of adjusted unemployment rate. | ||
| It's not like, he's not blowing anyone's minds with this kind of thing. | ||
| Yeah, the Chicago Business School isn't like, b-b-b-b-what? | ||
| Yeah, the Wall Street Journal is like, we're gonna send out a hit team to take out This isn't supposed to get out there. | ||
| He's letting people know the secrets. | ||
| So speaking of hit teams, we get to Princess Diana. | ||
| And here's some big news. | ||
| Let's shift gears into Princess Diana, then into Masaruf and the fake bombing activities. | ||
| The Scotsman reports Diana's death linked to MI6 plot more than six years after the deaths of Diana and Prince of Wales and Dottie Alfiead. | ||
| The questions surrounding the Paris car crash in which they were killed continue to grip the public imagination. | ||
| This just came out with some new developments. | ||
| Well, yeah, there was an article in the BBC as well yesterday, which basically confirmed the fact that Henri Paul... | ||
| The driver of the car was an MI6 informant. | ||
| Dun-dun-dun. | ||
| Uh-oh. | ||
| So there was this article in the Scotsman, but the only thing that it even claims is that Dodi Alfied's brother is claiming that the crash that killed Diana, quote, had striking similarities to an earlier MI6 plot to remove Slobodan Milosevic. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| So it's Princess Di and the Milosevic. | ||
| Those are the two this one was used for. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| So the headline of this article is, quote, Diana's death likened to MI6 plot. | ||
| But you might notice that Alex reports that as, quote, Diana's death linked to MI6 plot. | ||
| It's a little bit different. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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A little bit different. | |
| Those words look similar. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's not a mistake. | ||
| Also, Henri, Paul was not with MI6. | ||
| And you should take note of the weaselly way Paul is conveying this information. | ||
| Saying it's basically confirmed means that it's not. | ||
| But he's trying to get across to the audience that it is confirmed. | ||
| A former MI6 agent named Richard Tomlinson had said that he'd seen files that showed that there was an MI6 informant who worked in security at the Ritz Hotel. | ||
| He never specified that this was Paul, and it's never been corroborated. | ||
| The inquest into these theories even says, quote, Richard Tomlinson accepted that some of this detail may be knowledge he's subsequently obtained from the media that he has mixed with his own recollection. | ||
| Well... | ||
| This is not concrete stuff, and this is maybe forcing a news cycle for Alex. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, I mean... | ||
| But that's never gonna go out of style. | ||
| If any royal family wants you dead... | ||
| And then later on you turn up dead in an accident, it's never going to be accepted the fact that it's an accident. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know? | ||
| It's just not going to. | ||
| And, I mean, for our first live show that we did here in Chicago, when we talked about the day after... | ||
| Breitbart died. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| We did end up talking a bit about Princess Diana, and I went deep on that, and I remember it being a tough experience. | ||
| I didn't want to open that back up. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| I understand. | ||
| But I remember all of this is nonsense. | ||
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Yes. | |
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| But also, fuck the royal family. | ||
| I know. | ||
| I mean, it's their fault. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| They shouldn't have killed so many people in the past. | ||
| So, we know in the present day, Alex loves... | ||
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Putin. | |
| But, in the past, he knew a lot of things about Putin that he seems to not know anymore. | ||
| Things that would make you hate Putin. | ||
| And also, I would say that these aren't things that he doesn't know anymore. | ||
| It's he knows to not be true anymore. | ||
| Which, you know, of course, there's the apartment bombings. | ||
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Sure. | |
| The 1999 bombings. | ||
| Right, that he did. | ||
| And then here's another new one. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Now, would you tell me what you said a while ago? | ||
| Are you talking about Russian slave guards? | ||
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What was that word? | |
| Okay, I've got BBC, I've got Scotsman, I've got AP, I've got Reuters, but Limbaugh or Hannity would never touch it. | ||
| Our good little reform buddies, Putin, for three years in a row, it happens each year, North Korea owes... | ||
| $4.3 billion last time I checked. | ||
| I'm having to access that mental file, folks. | ||
| A little bit of hesitation there. | ||
| And to pay down the interest on their debt, they transfer 30-plus thousand slaves, political dissidents, via the Trans-Siberian Railway to mines and timber programs in areas all over Russia. | ||
| and it's come out because a lot of these North Koreans escape because the Russian guards refuse to shoot them. | ||
| They interview local Russians about how sad it is that they're starving to death. | ||
| They work them to death. | ||
| Putin has had a press conference three years ago, was what really made news, thanking Kim Jong-il, who visited Russia, for paying the debt with 30,000 slaves. | ||
| So it's right out in the open poll wall. | ||
| Wow, it sounds like somebody you probably shouldn't be cool with and support. | ||
| I'm sorry, is this true? | ||
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Well... | |
| There's a little bit of truth and a little bit of Alex being out. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure, sure. | ||
| So there is a lot of laborers who go from North Korea and work in Russia. | ||
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Okay. | |
| That is true. | ||
| Now, a part of this has to do with the fact that both are fairly isolated from international communities. | ||
| Naturally. | ||
| So there aren't other places where, like, North Korean laborers could go to work. | ||
| Yeah, there is an issue. | ||
| So there is an aspect of this that... | ||
| It is migrant labor somewhat. | ||
| Hey, yeah. | ||
| Now, you also have Russia and North Korea involved. | ||
| There is an issue. | ||
| So there are very serious allegations of mistreatment of these workers and also of their wages basically being stolen by North Korea. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So there is a number of people who have likened it to slave conditions. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| And so there is some truth to some of this. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I'm not sure that it is the case that paying off debt with slaves... | ||
| That seems... | ||
| I don't know if I can get behind that. | ||
| See, that's the one that gets me. | ||
| Everything else, fucking, that's what prisons do in California. | ||
| Of course they do that shit. | ||
| The actual government saying we're going to sell you these people for debt, that's the one that I'm not sure of. | ||
| That I'm not positive of as well, but if you're Alex... | ||
| I mean, that's a great story. | ||
| Sure, but if you're Alex, you can't know that some world leader is... | ||
| Accepting payment and slaves. | ||
| There is that. | ||
| From North Korea. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And then be like, you know what? | ||
| That guy's great. | ||
| I want that guy. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| I want that guy in control of the Axis powers running this world. | ||
| You know, that guy is really what Trump should be, you know? | ||
| And, hey, he's right to invade Ukraine. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
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He's the guy who's back I want to get behind. | |
| That's fucking nuts. | ||
| Yeah, it's weird. | ||
| It's weird, these awarenesses that you have at different periods for him. | ||
| You just... | ||
| You just don't know where you're gonna go the moment you start getting in with fascists, you know? | ||
| Like, I'm sure whenever Alex started jumping on the Trump train, he wasn't immediately going, aha, you know where I'm sure this is gonna lead me. | ||
| Justifying people overrunning the Brazilian capital. | ||
| Exactly! | ||
| You know, it just takes you down interesting pathways. | ||
| There's something to be said for an interesting pathway. | ||
| Sometimes you can, like, you know, this is choice A, and sometimes you can see what B and C are gonna do. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| L? | ||
| No idea. | ||
| No idea where L was going to go. | ||
| And here we are. | ||
| I'm defending a fascist dictator. | ||
| So Paul, he gets a question from a caller. | ||
| And they want to know, like, hey man, the UK, y 'all going to stand up? | ||
| Good question. | ||
| Y 'all going to stand up and fight? | ||
| Charles, Louisiana. | ||
| Go ahead, Charles. | ||
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How are you doing, sir? | |
| Fine. | ||
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I have a question for Mr. Paul. | |
| Do you think the people in England will stand up? | ||
| When the time comes, if it comes, do you think they have the guts to stand up? | ||
| Well, I think they have the guts, but they don't have the guns because we've been completely disarmed. | ||
| So, I mean, that's why the main focus of our websites is on America, because it's the last bastion of freedom where people are armed. | ||
| A lot of people are still informed as to what's going on. | ||
| So, I mean, England is basically a completely spineless social assessment, I'm afraid to say. | ||
| No! | ||
| And that's been the case for many years. | ||
| So my main focus is on saving America and saving the world via, you know, that route. | ||
| Because England's basically gone at the moment. | ||
| Save America, save the world. | ||
| We spent $10 trillion on the Queen's funeral because we're a socialist utopia. | ||
| It's, you know, fine. | ||
| I guess the guns are the only thing that matter. | ||
| It's the only thing that matters. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Also, is that the same caller who makes all the tapes? | ||
| He has that same kind of old man voice. | ||
| I can't remember if that guy's name was Charles. | ||
| He's not Louisiana Dentures. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| But there's the other guy who makes all the tapes. | ||
| You're right. | ||
| There's a couple of characters at this period. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The thing is, his accent doesn't... | ||
| It's not strong, Louisiana. | ||
| You know, like, he's got a light touch. | ||
| You think it's more dentures than Louisiana? | ||
| No, I mean, Louisiana dentures is Louisiana dentures. | ||
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Oh. | |
| Through and through. | ||
| This guy's accent is a light Louisiana. | ||
| He doesn't have that hard... | ||
| Nah! | ||
| No, this guy sounds like a cartoon character. | ||
| He's got a little bit of it. | ||
| But I'm not saying a southern cartoon character. | ||
| Oh, yes. | ||
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I'm saying a... | |
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So, most of this episode, Alex has been... | ||
| Boosting that Ray McGovern's gonna be on. | ||
| This guy who's a CIA advisor, analyst, kind of fella back in the Reagan administration. | ||
| Related to George McGovern? | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| But Alex takes calls with Paul, kills time, and then Ray McGovern finally shows up for like the last 20 minutes of the show. | ||
| Ouch. | ||
| Now, Ray is a guy who's had some decent points over the course of his career. | ||
| Okay. | ||
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But he is also one of the founders of the Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity. | |
| And so this is that group that also includes William Binney, Alex's buddy, the That's not good. | ||
| most famous probably lately for being tricked into being a huge public advocate for the Seth Rich conspiracy theories. | ||
| That's his claim to fame at this point. | ||
| What a great claim. | ||
| And then also another one of the members of the VIPs, as they are abbreviated to, is Larry C. Johnson, who is a guy who fell for a hoax about there being a videotape of Michelle Obama yelling about Whitey. | ||
| Then he used manipulated audio to falsely accuse John Kerry of raping people while he was in Vietnam. | ||
| Then he just made up a conspiracy about the UK intelligence community wiretapping Trump, which spread all over right-wing media. | ||
| Oh, I remember that one. | ||
| Yeah, and that was repeated by Trump himself, but it was just complete bullshit. | ||
| These are profoundly unserious people that Ray McGovern has a group with. | ||
| Yes, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So that is not great. | ||
| Profoundly unserious people who have had a seriously detrimental... | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| As we know it. | ||
| Yeah, and I guess I wouldn't make their group... | ||
| I wouldn't put Sanity in the name of this group. | ||
| If you put Sanity in the name of your group, you're insane. | ||
| It's, uh... | ||
| Yeah, I can't think of any other groups that have Sanity in the name. | ||
| No one! | ||
| But, uh... | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Do you know why? | ||
| Because the sane person says... | ||
| Putting sanity in our name is egotistical. | ||
| Egotistical. | ||
| This is going to be too easy to attack if we do something insane. | ||
| Exactly! | ||
| So Ray is on, and it's not really that interesting of an interview, but there is one thing that happens that I wanted to draw attention to, so that is the last clip we have here. | ||
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There's an overriding rationale for this, though, and that rationale appears in the documents to which you referred, the PNAC documents. | |
| For those of you who are listeners, just go on the web and type in, Project for a New American Century. | ||
| And the documents that will appear there are the ideological, the strategic justification for the policies that are now being implemented by the crazies, the war against Iraq and so forth. | ||
| And you'll see in those documents the equivalent of Hitler's Mein Kampf. | ||
| Strategic document. | ||
| Well, in the Rebuilding America's Defense in September 2000, Cheney says we need to legitimize the use of race-specific bioweapons. | ||
| So, first of all, that kind of comparison being made is kind of embarrassing for McGovern. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I understand the point he's trying to make, but that document is not analogous to Mein Kampf. | ||
| Second, neither of these dudes seem to be aware that the PNAC document is the same thing as Rebuilding America's Defenses. | ||
| They're the same document, yet these dudes are treating it like two separate things, which is weird. | ||
| Third, that document absolutely does not advocate for legitimizing the use of race-specific policies. | ||
| Yes, rebuilding is the... | ||
| That's what it's about. | ||
| In this case they say quote advanced forms of biological warfare that can target specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool. | ||
| In context, this is clearly about the possible threats that could come up from hostile nations and how the U.S. military needs to be prepared for these potential events. | ||
| Fuck all the people involved in the project for the new American century, but the way Alex is talking about this is complete bullshit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We've talked about this before, but it's deeply disqualifying for Ray McGovern's credibility that he's nodding his head and going along with this clear misrepresentation of the text. | ||
| The fact that he also doesn't seem to realize that the PNAC document is the same thing as rebuilding America's defenses adds to that credibility loss. | ||
| And then when you tack on his comparison to Mein Kampf, this just isn't somebody that I can take seriously. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, the idea of claiming credibility that you can't back up is so crazy to me. | ||
| Well, I mean, he does have a resume. | ||
| No, no, no, he does have a resume, but the credibility on something like this that you don't know inside and out... | ||
| Like, that is so scary. | ||
| Like, even when I was working fucking whatever job I was, any job, it's always like, I am not going to say I can do anything until I can do it, you know? | ||
| I'm not even going to try and pretend I can do it. | ||
| Well, I think that the Project for a New American Century document was so popular, and everybody was... | ||
| Trying to have their established anti-Iraq war. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| Talking points in place, and the PNAC document was really good for that. | ||
| And so you can just kind of point to it. | ||
| And I think a lot of people kind of had a lazy attachment to that document as being proof that all of these people planned 9-11. | ||
| Well, actually, I don't know. | ||
| I mean, it almost became more synecdoche for just the people involved in it. | ||
| You point to the document, but what you're really doing is pointing to how shady these motherfuckers are. | ||
| Yeah, and actually, as I say that out loud, it's kind of interesting because McGovern's point, in as much as this indicates an interest in the war in Iraq, is more sensible than Alex's use of it in terms of the... | ||
| Ray-specific bioweapons. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| Proving that they did 9-11. | ||
| Right. | ||
| These kinds of things are a bit more detached. | ||
| So Ray's use of it is a little bit closer to like, well, you can have a conversation there. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| But yeah, it is more or less like shorthand. | ||
| Point to this. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, it makes sense in a certain way to use it, thusly. | ||
| It's just the problem is when you think you know what is inside of it. | ||
| That's kind of the... | ||
| I think... | ||
| Do you think... | ||
| Here's my feeling on how this should be, though. | ||
| Like, race-specific bioweapons should be out for good after COVID, right? | ||
| Like, we've all seen how... | ||
| If you think a disease is going to be a thing, suddenly it's going to be a lot of different things, you know? | ||
| Like, there's no way that you could really think of doing a race-specific bioweapon without assuming that it's going to go absolutely ham. | ||
| Well, here's my thought. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| But then also... | ||
| Well, that's a good thought. | ||
| I think that most people would already think that. | ||
| And then second, I think that the way you were saying that after COVID it should be blah, I think that... | ||
| The ability of people like Alex to use it as an ominous conspiracy should be over after COVID. | ||
| Because he was saying that it was a race-specific bioethan. | ||
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| So now, that should be a dead narrative. | ||
| It should all be over. | ||
| A dead conspiracy theory. | ||
| In some ways, we should amputate that line of questioning, if you will. | ||
| Paul said it best, as it turns out. | ||
| So yeah, I think this is really interesting, the way that the Saddam conspiracy is going. | ||
| Because you can see the gears moving a tiny bit. | ||
| You can see Alex trying to get in on the, like, what about that beard? | ||
| How about those eyes? | ||
| And then you have Paul coming in and trying to give an influence of, like, let's keep it in the territory where we can be respectable here. | ||
| Don't turn this into, like, it's a fake person. | ||
| Yeah, or some shit, but Alex is drawn towards that. | ||
| I mean you see the dynamics So clear. | ||
| This plays out in Sandy Hook. | ||
| Exactly! | ||
| It plays out over and over again. | ||
| What's amazing about it is the more trepidation that Alex has in, like, I'm going to dip my toe into the... | ||
| You're right, those eyes are different. | ||
| Now, there's only one conclusion that it could be. | ||
| If eyes are different, but you're not going to go that far just yet. | ||
| Or if eyes are different, then you have to say that he has contacts. | ||
| Something. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| You have to add new layers. | ||
| But that's not an interesting conspiracy theory. | ||
| If the eyes are different... | ||
| And your explanation is he's wearing contact. | ||
| Why even bring it up? | ||
| I wear contacts. | ||
| Nobody's like, ah, see, we caught him. | ||
| No, that's not how it works. | ||
| I do think it's fascinating that there is kind of like the echoes of that relation between the two of them that you see in the crisis actors stuff later. | ||
| What a dynamic. | ||
| Maybe people are just destined to be the way they are. | ||
| I mean, there's something to be said for that. | ||
| I didn't take you for a Calvinist, but... | ||
| Predestination is the way to go. | ||
| I'm not saying you're wrong. | ||
| So, Jordan, we'll be back. | ||
| We'll check in on Monday with Alex in the present day. | ||
| I'm giving up on ever really knowing what the... | ||
| Because here's the deal. | ||
| I can't watch every single minute of his show. | ||
| It's too demotivating in the present day. | ||
| And trying to find these 2023 predictions, it's just... | ||
| It's impeding my ability to have a sane mind. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And here's the deal. | ||
| There is a section on Bantot's video called Alex Jones Predictions. | ||
| No, no, no, no, no. | ||
| There isn't a video in there of his 2023 predictions. | ||
| He only has misleading videos about things he's said in the past that he's retroactively trying to make look like they came true. | ||
| He doesn't want to put his present predictions on there that are all going to be embarrassing. | ||
| Of course not. | ||
| They're going to be wrong. | ||
| You've fallen into the trap that you fall into ever so often, and that is when you are looking for a specific thing, you're never going to find it. | ||
| You have to go into your practice listening as a gestalt, almost like dispassionate observer, and then you will find where your curiosity takes you. | ||
| I will find a thing. | ||
| Yeah, your curiosity will take you where you want to go. | ||
| And that's the problem, is that in the present day, there is nothing, there is no grip for my curiosity. | ||
| Constant bombardment with a dumb, angry dude yelling about... | ||
| The same shit over and over and over again. | ||
| And the same things that are like, basically, it feels like you're doing another lap around the same track. | ||
| Whereas in the past, I think it's fascinating to see this stuff with Saddam, and then also to be reminded, oh shit, Howard Dean's coming up. | ||
| I know. | ||
| You know, there are things that my curiosity can attach to, and that's why it's so much less demotivating, even though it's equally full of shit. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally. | ||
| It's just the presentation of it is not crushing to any sort of thought process. | ||
| It reminds me of every time people are like, oh, when Alex goes off the air, what are you going to do? | ||
| We're going to happily retire into the past and then occasionally visit the present for whatever reason. | ||
| Yeah, or maybe talk about Tucker. | ||
| Yeah, we'll do something, but it will be a delight in most, if not all, respects. | ||
| I will find something to be curious about in the present for Monday. | ||
| Or, who knows? | ||
| Fuck it. | ||
| Maybe we'll do another deposition. | ||
| Curiosity is curiosity. | ||
| You can't control it. | ||
| The mind wants what the mind wants. | ||
| But we'll be back. | ||
| Until then, Jordan, we have a website. | ||
| Indeed we do. | ||
| It's knowledgefight.com. | ||
| Yep, we're also on Twitter. | ||
| We are on Twitter. | ||
| It's adknowledge underscore fight. | ||
| Yep, we'll be back. | ||
| But until then, I'm Neo, I'm Leo, I'm DZX Clark. | ||
| So dreamy creamy. | ||
| And now here comes the sex robots. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first time caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your work. |