#747: November 11, 2022 dissects Alex Jones’s baseless mRNA claims (citing Terry Horgan’s unrelated death) and Roger Stone’s unverified car crash allegations, while exposing his 2017 Florida hit-and-run omission. Jones distorts ecological tokenization as globalist wealth theft and misrepresents a Canadian teacher’s prosthetic breasts as a "system collapse" plot, ignoring school board constraints. Kent Hickenlively’s Bestseller Presidential Takedown—a thinly veiled QAnon cash grab—highlights Jones’s exploitation of fringe figures for profit, reinforcing his pattern of sensationalism over substance. The episode underscores how conspiracy-driven rhetoric thrives on misinformation and self-promotion, eroding credibility while fueling division. [Automatically generated summary]
Yeah, so what he does, what Dave does, it's completely different from the dollop.
See, Dave reads something to Gareth, who reacts to it.
No, but he picks a newspaper from a random place in the past or whatever and just reads it to you.
And the reason that this hit me so hard is because the moment we listened to it, I remembered that when I was growing up in my hometown, there was this historical society that had all these microfiche newspapers, and I fucking read constantly.
I loved reading those to the point where one sentence is always stuck out, not sentence, like a little fragment has always stuck in my head, which is just another ham went missing.
It is kind of funny how they have, like, if they had been winning, if the Democrats had been winning by more, the Republicans almost would have been in a more comfortable position to claim that it was fraud, as opposed to having like a lead for so long that they're like, well, we can't call it fraud yet.
So as for this New York man, Alex doesn't have any of the information on this that's worth reporting.
Like there's nothing that he knows that brings this to the level of it being something that should be on his show.
And he's being a real shithead.
This is about 27-year-old Terry Horgan, who suffered from a very rare form of muscular dystrophy.
His brother Richard was the head of a nonprofit called Cure Rare Disease, which had led a push for exploring gene editing therapy possibilities for conditions like the one his brother had.
Terry was going to get a tailor-made treatment and had signed up for it, but he passed.
According to Stat News, quote, it's unclear when or even if he received the experimental treatment.
In reality, this is a rare condition that is pretty commonly fatal.
It's been estimated that between the ages of 20 and 25, 86 out of 1,000 patients with this condition would die.
And past the age of 40, that number goes up to 336 out of 1,000 every year.
The median survival age of someone born in the year that Terry was with this condition is 28.1 years, which is close to 27, which was the age that he is.
We don't know if he even got the treatment.
And even if he did, we have no idea if it was connected to his passing.
Even if we do find out that it was connected to the treatment, it wasn't an mRNA treatment.
And this has nothing to do with COVID vaccines.
Alex is a monster trying to capitalize on this young man's death and exploit him so he can be used as a prop to push anti-vex bullshit.
It's disgraceful.
And if I were this guy's brother, I would probably think about suing Alex.
I feel like this is a situation, if I understand correctly, where there's a nonprofit geared towards people who have diseases that are essentially impossible for a pharmacy company or anything to think, well, we need to develop a therapy for this.
So you're not going to wind up getting all of the trials and everything you need to develop any therapy within any kind of reasonable length of time through the FDA or all of those possible channels if you go through all these testings and all that stuff.
Something along those lines where it is, hey, we've got this rare disease.
We've got people who are in a situation where it's like, hey, oh my God, this hasn't been tested enough.
I don't think it is like that, but I do think that there is something to the, you know, just the reality that some of these larger pharmaceutical companies wouldn't explore.
It wouldn't be in their interest to explore some of these things.
So that's some of the work that's left to smaller nonprofits.
Also, we're going to be looking at what Trump said last night on his True Social, coming out and attacking Governor DeSantis.
Not a good idea.
It's exactly what the corporate media wants.
They've had CNN, New York Times, Fox News, all of the establishment media, other than a few exceptions like Eric Carlson, have come out and have praised DeSantis and attacked Trump and said that Trump's the reason we didn't win bigger in the midterms and all this made-up garbage to get us fighting with each other.
And Trump, with his ego as big as the moon, has taken the bait.
You know, I love Trump, and come out and attack DeSantis when DeSantis has never attacked Trump.
And so now it's not about a stolen election or an attempted steal.
Now it's not about Biden being 80 and a geriatric patient.
It's not about Fetterman being a mentally, you know, destroyed giant zombie goblin leader.
It's none of that.
It's all about Trump DeSantis, and Trump is the reason Republicans didn't win bigger.
Total distraction from reality, and Trump has waded straight into it and is attacking DeSantis.
So you can hear Alex expressing something in this clip that makes a lot of sense.
He doesn't like the idea of Trump and DeSantis fighting because that's a competing narrative from his own, and it's one that he can't really profit from.
Alex wants all the right-wing audience to be swept up in the stop the steal type stuff where he can do another dumb caravan tour and yell at rallies about how much proof he has of election fraud.
That's great for Alex because he can make a lot of money off that and never has to prove a damn thing and he gets to be seen as the crusading hero of the Patriots.
Conversely, Trump DeSantis is a dead end.
That fight is no good for Alex because neither choice is really that great for his bottom line.
And if the audience is forced to pick a side because they're fighting, Alex is expected to have a position.
Alex has already done his whole, I give Trump two weeks to come out against the vaccine or else I'll attack him.
And Trump didn't give a single shit.
Alex has already embarrassed himself with his constant, I swear I'm leaving this time for real stuff that if he does actually decide that he doesn't want to be on Trump's side anymore, who cares?
It won't have any impact.
And the only result will be pissing off the members of his audience that still like Trump.
And staying as things are and being on Trump's team again is also embarrassing because Alex made all these ultimatums and Trump didn't care, which shows that Alex is a spineless coward.
On the flip side, going over to DeSantis has its own problems.
Many of the listeners, particularly long-term listeners, have a little bit of hero fatigue.
They were sold a bill of goods about how Trump was going to change everything and he was the God-appointed leader they needed to trust no matter what.
And what did it amount to?
Basically nothing but chaos and an ego-driven asshole picking fights.
Having gone through all that, it's understandable if many of the listeners aren't super keen to adopt a new God-King, once bitten, twice shy, and all that.
This is not the state of affairs Alex wants to see.
In a perfect world, Trump and DeSantis would work together, or at very least, they would be like kind of respecting opponents, so Alex wouldn't have to pick a side this early.
Yeah, I mean, I feel like the main issue for him is he's kind of pot committed with Trump, less because of the electorality kind of situation, and more so just because of the personality connection to the two of them.
He's not going to relate to DeSantis, and DeSantis is never going to give Alex a bone.
But I mean, if the point that everybody is making about their fight is that people are tired of Trump and would rather have DeSantis, someone who is less like Trump, it makes even way less sense for Ed DeSantis to be like, and now Alex is my buddy.
So you don't want that loud, bombastic asshole right around you.
Say, I don't care which of them comes out on top because whoever comes out on top is going to be the better candidate because they're going to fight each other so much harder than any Democrat could fight that all of their bullshit will be out.
And by the time that we're ready to play against the Democrats, we'll be unstoppable.
That's the way iron sharpens iron, that kind of thing.
He's also set to announce he's running for president.
Great.
I'm mad at Trump over the shots.
Wish he would have come out against him like DeSantis did.
But overall, the globalists hate Trump more than anybody.
He's anti-New World Order.
He's obviously better than the Democrats.
But it's just we need to not be fighting with each other, ladies and gentlemen.
We need to not be battling with each other.
It really is that simple.
Statement by President Donald J. Trump, 4th President of the United States of America.
And he goes in and talk about Fox News is basically boosting DeSantis and not him for president.
And he made DeSantis and DeSantis has all these neocons fluttering around him that he's meeting with, which is true.
I don't like Jeb Bush hanging around.
I don't like Mitt Romney hanging around.
But you know what?
Trump's hung out with all those guys too until they triple stabbed him in the back.
So the jury's out on that with DeSantis.
And I'm not going to get in this pageant of Trump's better or DeSantis is better or Trump's worse or DeSantis is worse.
I'm just not going to do it.
And people need to stay focused on inflation, the open borders, the exploding crime, the war in Ukraine, the poison shots, how they're trying to come back out with more forced injections and lockdowns in the future.
And instead of making it about the Democrats trying to steal the election and blunting the victory, instead of making it about how we need to get rid of the Republican, neocon, rhino, corporatist leadership like Mitch McConnell and others, instead of that, it's all about Trump and DeSantis.
And that's why the Republican establishment has weighed in with the liberal media to try to create a Trump DeSantis rift.
And old 45 has taken the bait like a big old bass you put a purple worm in front of.
This was a three-headed monster, if you will, or a trifecta of the new brand of conservative, the fighter, the one that takes on the media, the one that takes on the establishment, the one that's not afraid to back Trump or give him trouble if they have to.
And so we were kind of looking at this race in Arizona saying this could be a determining factor of what the future of the Republican Party looks like.
If we have big wins in Arizona, this new breed of Republican that Lake and Masters and Hamidai represent is going to be the type of person the Republicans may want to put forward.
And then the runoff would just be like gravy for them if they can get that in Georgia, which sadly I kind of expect them to win at this point.
I'm not sure what the Republican plan is for Georgia.
If they think going on is the key, if they think going on Sean Hannity is the key, then they're going to lose.
Period.
That's it.
End of sentence.
They have no boots on the ground.
They have no plan.
Nothing from McConnell.
Where is McConnell, by the way?
Anybody heard from McConnell these last couple days?
No, he's hiding in a hole.
He's loving what he's seeing.
He wants to lose the Senate.
He wants to lose the Senate so he can blame it on Donald Trump and then make his number one initiative from now till 2024 is to get Trump out of the party, no matter what you, the voter, think.
Well, I mean, as far as a conspiracy goes, I don't even think that's a conspiracy theory so much as it is like, okay, I think this might be a fairly workable plan that might work.
You know, and if McConnell's, McConnell's plans have so far worked.
Now, 10 years from now, if someone writes a book and it's a tell-all where Mitch McConnell says, I threw those midterms in order to get Trump out of my hair.
I'm not sure that many of the voters Alex is talking about take their voting cues from the mainstream media, but an even bigger problem is that Alex was constantly talking about how the midterm was going to be a red tsunami and a bloodbath.
If reporting that the GOP was going to win big is actually a psyop to lower GOP voting, then Alex is the guiltiest party of that.
Also, Alex has presented literally nothing to support his claims of voter fraud and irregularity.
This is just something he can assert with no evidence, and it's accepted as proven by the audience at this point.
They've been taught to feel that everything that they don't win has been stolen from them, so no proof is necessary to defend this claim that they feel is deeply true.
I was talking to my family, and they're not election voter fraud like, oh, they're stealing elections so much as they're like, well, I mean, obviously they steal elections.
Everybody steals elections.
Like, there's no fair election.
You know, if Democrats are stealing elections, Republicans are stealing.
Like, there's never, there's an equilibrium that's simultaneous with the real one where nobody's doing voter fraud.
They've just moved it over to everyone's doing voter fraud.
If this is what Roger has to attack Warnock with compared to the very clear and verifiable dirt that Walker has got going against him, this doesn't feel very compelling.
I know that Roger is an attack-only kind of guy, and he needs to use whatever ammunition is available to him, but this feels pretty weak.
So the crash itself happened in Germantown, Tennessee.
And their police department has a Twitter account where they have a habit of giving people updates on things like traffic situations.
For instance, on October 21st, they tweeted, quote, our officers are working a motor vehicle crash in the area of Poplar Avenue and Bracton Avenue.
Currently, we have traffic shut down.
Consider using an alternate route.
Or on September 9th, they tweeted, quote, two-car vehicle crash at Poplar and Germantown Road.
East travel lanes are blocked.
Please use an alternate route.
On November 10th, right around when Roger's accident would have happened, they tweeted, quote, officers are on the scene of a crash where a utility pole was struck and damaged on Wolf River Boulevard near Riverdale.
Westbound lanes on Wolf River are being diverted, causing delays in the area.
There's no other tweets about car accidents or traffic issues since October 24th.
I don't think this was Roger because I found another news report about this accident.
The person driving the car was taken to the hospital.
So the Germantown Police Department also has a Facebook page that they're more active on, and they have a daily post where they list the crimes that they responded to that day.
The only conclusion I can come to after spending way too much time on this is that if Roger really believed that he'd been the target of like an assassination attempt by way of this car accident, it seems strange that they didn't call the police.
And based on everything I can find about the Germantown Police Department's transparency and their social media, it does not appear that Roger called them.
It is absolutely not possible to consider that perhaps when large groups of disparate, different people get together, recognize how very, very, very similar they are and live in the same community together, they don't think that it's all black people's fault.
You know, what if, say, you lived in the middle of nowhere in a small town with nothing but white people, boy, it sure seems easy to say it's all black people's fault.
I feel like the messaging, especially the current GOP and the fringy-ass weirdos like Alex and Owen, their messaging does not ring true to folks who live in cities and have broader life experience.
I don't believe.
And I do think that Owen does have a point that the people in the GOP will have a difficult time winning elections if they can't make any kind of an appeal to people who live in cities.
And I think one of the things that they should think about is changing their fucking message.
Well, but instead, it's like, oh, it's all voter fraud.
Why won't they investigate this?
You've spent the last two fucking years screaming about this and people having investigations that go nowhere.
I'm going to quickly hand off, but again, I want to talk about value one more time because the southern part of the world has value far greater than large elements of the northern part.
And we start thinking about and putting prices on water, on trees, on biodiversity, we find where does that sit?
I'm doing a lot of work out of Asia, and I say that my next-door neighbor, Indonesia, is the left lung of the world, and obviously Brazil is the right, and Africa, absolutely critical.
And we need their natural capital as a system-based world more than we need that $66 billion we've got sitting in the basement of the Bank of England.
So how do we, and I'm hoping this discussion today, at least from a central banker's point of view, and how do we start tokenizing?
How do we start building systems that actually create not only the value, but transfer that value around the world?
And Alex is like, oh, but the IMF, you know, I think it depends on exactly what the intentions are.
Because there's a way to hear that that has more of a sense that the things like these rainforests in Brazil and such, they have a value that is greater to the system of the world than anything that we can really put a monetary value on, like in a logging industry or whatever forces are there that are concrete that would lead to deforestation.
And so a system should be conceived of that allows for the tokenization of these things existing.
So you just heard the Bank of England guys say we're going to transfer all the wealth out of the North to the South because there's more life in the South.
And it's all about control.
Take your money and enslave them.
And now Biden's bumbling around at the new, you know, Paris Agreement 2.0, promising all of this to transfer our wealth to the globalists, not to the poor people who have had it under lockdown for years.
Yeah, I mean, a lot of the times you can see him get enough of it and be emotional enough about the right part of it that you can kind of skip over that he doesn't understand most of it.
In this regard, I mean, I can't see anybody who knows less about what they're talking about flounder more trying to look like they know what they're talking about.
In defiance of the censors trying to silence us, Gavin McGinnis is our guest for the balance of the hour to talk about the midterms, the fraud we witnessed, this new rip between Trump and the Sanus, the carbon taxes, the new world order, the open borders, the war in Ukraine, the insanity going on.
He is the host of a very popular show at Censored.tv, the founder of Vice and so much more.
Needs no introduction.
Gavin, thank you so much for being on with us, my friend.
We didn't talk before you came on.
I threw out kind of a plethora of things to hit, but what's front and center for you, my friend?
Well, actually, it's fun that you didn't because the reason that it came out that he faked it was because Owen Benjamin, who is, of course, the forest-dwelling Nazi that used to host the fourth hour for Alex from time to time.
He leaked texts between himself and Gavin, which, I mean, it speaks to the fact that him and Gavin are still on friendly terms, even though he's a forest-dwelling Nazi.
So, look, spending a lot of time trying to geolocate Rogers' car and then Gavin McGinnis being on the show kind of makes it so, like, I don't know.
Like, we have, I have clips that I cut of Gavin, but like, as we're talking and as I'm sitting here, he just says offensive things, like trying to bait reaction and stuff.
I don't know if I like his shows getting canceled now that I know that he's a comic because I kind of want him.
And people don't know this, I think, is that, well, yes, canceling his shows might hit his wallet and all of that stuff real bad.
I think what would really hurt him, though, is to live through a lot of those shows that I've lived through where you've got 15 people who showed up and 12 of them were on free tickets.
Yeah, I don't really have much commentary about him other than his positions suck, and I think he's just saying awful things in order to get a rise out of people.
Remember a month or so ago the horrific footage of a shop teacher wearing giant fake breasts and guard engaged in bizarre behavior in Ontario with the students?
Well, the school board rules to allow a male teacher to wear giant prosthetic breasts to school.
It's meant to make the whole system a joke and collapse.
The school board reviewed their standards to see if there was anything that they could do in terms of imposing a dress code and found that it could raise human rights concerns and also have implications in terms of labor rights and employment law.
But the board didn't make any position or change on this because they can't right now.
The superintendent of human resources for the school board, Sari Taha, said, Even if we are to consider a workplace rule in that sense, we can't do that.
This is because they're currently in the middle of collective bargaining and the board isn't permitted to make rule changes in the middle of that process.
They make a good point, though, that even a good faith rule about dress code or grooming standards could easily end up being applied in a discriminatory fashion.
But the larger point is that they're in collective bargaining, so they can't even consider a rule change.
Alex probably just saw a headline like the one in the National Post that says, quote, school board concludes it can't implement dress code after teacher wears giant fake breasts.
And then he wrote his own story about it without looking into it any further and realizing that the reason that the headline says that they concluded they can't implement a dress code is because they're in collective bargaining.
Well, Kent Heckenlively is our guest in the studio for the balance of the hour to talk about his book, Bestseller Presidential Takedown, and also talk about the midterms, what we're witnessing.
He's an attorney, science teacher, and two-time New York Times bestseller.
He's best known as co-author of the Plague series, Plague, Plague, Corruption, and Ending Plague with Dr. Judy Migovich.
Because he was just going to do a bunch of anti-vax rallies, and they're like, no, get out of here.
At that point, he had branded himself, quote, the world's number one anti-vaxxer.
So kind of gets rid of the arguments that he was trying to make when he was denied entry into Australia that he was like just raising concerns and asking questions and stuff.
And also, when he was told he couldn't come, he sent a letter to the Australian government that was taunting Malcolm Turnbull, the prime minister.
Quote, if you wish to greet me at the airport when I land, I would be amenable to such an effort.
Or if you think our meeting should be at the lodge, the primary residence of the prime minister, I would accept that as well.
After all, I will be a guest in your country.
Please don't make too much of a fuss over my efforts.
But if you would like to give me an award in recognition of my work to liberate Australia from the grip of the pharmaceutical industry, I like the sound of the Order of Australia, Officer of the Order.
Maybe it's the Imperialist in me, but it just sounds so regal.
In another circumstance, it has a kind of Socrates-ish, you know, you're just poking your thumb in the eye of the government, you know, taunting somebody who's saying you cannot do this thing with like, not only can I, you should award me.
Also, I don't think that he wanted people to know that he wrote the book, maybe or something, because he's not acknowledged in any way until the back of the book.
From what I can understand, I am seeing that he was a far thinker and said, sure, I'll write your shitty book so that I can always promote my books later on.