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Nov. 14, 2022 - Knowledge Fight
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#747: November 11, 2022

Today, Dan and Jordan check in on how the week ended for Alex.  In this installment, Owen continues to report from the Big Board, Roger Stone keeps getting T-boned, and Alex interviews a really sad gang leader. Citations

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alex jones
08:52
d
dan friesen
36:53
j
jordan holmes
18:58
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owen shroyer
03:17
r
roger stone
01:14
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gavin mcinnes
00:22
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pastor david manning
00:02
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steve quayle
00:02
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Speaker Time Text
unidentified
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
roger stone
Dan and Jordan.
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
Need money.
Andy in Kansas.
Stop it.
Andy in Kansas.
alex jones
You're on the air.
Thanks for holding us.
unidentified
Hello Alex.
I'm a first time calling.
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
jordan holmes
I'm Dan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes like to sit around worship at the altar of Selene and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are.
dan friesen
Dan?
Jordan?
jordan holmes
I have a quick question for you.
What's your bright spot today?
dan friesen
Well, my bright spot today is I'd like to thank everybody who responded to the call for submissions.
jordan holmes
Yes!
dan friesen
To the anti-communism library?
jordan holmes
More than you would have expected.
dan friesen
There have been a few, and I appreciate it.
We will start building that, and we'll see where that takes us.
It's a very exciting new project.
jordan holmes
I mean, I hope it's not back to the 60s.
dan friesen
Me as well, but we'll see.
I want to try and create a nice compendium of...
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Trunches of...
jordan holmes
I mean, you quite almost literally want to always have the documents at this point.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You want the white paper?
Yeah, man.
And there's something so interesting about holding these pieces of weirdo history, like these American opinions.
And one of them is addressed.
Some of them have address labels on them.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
One of them went to a guy in Monaco.
jordan holmes
Okay.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Alright.
dan friesen
Some guy in Monaco was reading John Birch stuff, and somehow that's ended up in my hands.
Nuts.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there is a part of me that is like, I walked in and I saw those, and it was a little bit like catching you with dirty magazines.
Like, it felt a little bit like...
Dan, you shouldn't have those out.
dan friesen
Well, wait till they're just everywhere.
Yeah, exactly.
And then also I wanted to take this opportunity to say to folks, you know, buttons are still coming out.
They're still being sent.
I hope to have it done by the end of the year to give just a little bit of an idea.
I'm going through the email inbox from first received to most recent.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I have 3,000 emails left.
unidentified
Jeez.
dan friesen
So that's where we are now.
After sending out, I have no idea how many already.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there is the thing about us only being two people.
dan friesen
Yep.
And having really no situational awareness of how many people are listening.
jordan holmes
Zero!
Absolutely no concept.
Other people have like, I got an email from somebody who's like, we can help you track your listener base.
And I was like, with what?
Magic?
dan friesen
Why?
What are you talking about?
Can someone get us in touch with your team?
What?
jordan holmes
What?
Why?
dan friesen
Yeah, talk to Stelter.
unidentified
We talk, okay?
dan friesen
See, what about you?
jordan holmes
My bright spot is, I don't know if you've heard of these two young up-and-coming gentlemen, Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds.
dan friesen
I've spoken to them.
jordan holmes
Yes, you have.
They have still not spoken to me, and I think that's on purpose at this point.
dan friesen
I think they would be willing to talk to you.
jordan holmes
Willing.
No, they have a new show called The Past Times, and it could not be more...
It is my alley in a way that I can't even comprehend.
dan friesen
It's newspaper-based.
jordan holmes
Yeah, so what Dave does, it's completely different from The Dollop.
See, Dave reads something to Gareth, who reacts to it.
No, but he picks a newspaper from a random...
I remember that when I was growing up...
In my hometown, there's this historical society that had all these microfiche newspapers, and I fucking read constantly.
I loved reading those to the point where one sentence is always stuck out.
Not sentence, like a little fragment is always stuck in my head, which is just another ham went missing.
And it's like, I cannot believe it.
I can't believe this.
dan friesen
Yeah, newspapers used to be a little different.
And the writing of it was a little different.
It's no, you know, like...
The days of hams going missing is...
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's just...
Local paper.
Support local paper.
dan friesen
Right, right.
That's the message.
jordan holmes
It is so much...
dan friesen
If you want to hear about ham theft, support your local paper.
jordan holmes
And I couldn't...
I was so angry, too, when I listened to it, because I was like...
That was my childhood and they turned it into a show?
unidentified
God damn it!
dan friesen
You already have a show.
unidentified
No!
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
No, but it's great.
It's really, really great.
dan friesen
I've not had a chance to check it out yet, but I've heard from multiple people that it's quite good.
unidentified
Love it.
dan friesen
So I'll give that a little hissing.
And I'll see if I can reach out to Dave and Gary.
jordan holmes
Yeah, don't worry about it.
No, no, no.
That'll be offensive.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over.
We're going to be talking about Friday's show.
That's November 11th, 2022.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
This is post midterms.
Post Alex having another half billion dollars tacked onto his shit.
Post having his assets somewhat frozen until there's a hearing in early December, I believe.
jordan holmes
Yes!
dan friesen
So yeah, he's in a way.
jordan holmes
Why do you think?
dan friesen
But actually, you would not know it by just listening to this episode.
This episode's kind of just dumb.
Interesting.
And I ended up spending...
Way too much fucking time on something that is completely pointless, and we'll discuss it when we get to it.
jordan holmes
Do you mean one of our highlights of the show?
dan friesen
Yes.
So we'll get down to business on this, but before we do, let's say hello to some new wonks.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's a great idea.
dan friesen
So first, opening arguments, ace associate Morgan Stringer.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much!
dan friesen
Thank you!
Next, Jordan's laugh is everything, and I know because I'm a Jordan too.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much!
unidentified
Thank you!
dan friesen
Next, gorilla with a squatch mask.
Thank you so much.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
I don't know why.
I couldn't not read that in the Heroes in a Half Shell rhythm.
jordan holmes
I don't know what just happened.
I think I just got kicked in the gut.
dan friesen
Next, the man, the myth, and now the policy wonk.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much!
dan friesen
Next, Kiki's Bright Spot Delivery Service.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
And stop it.
But I appreciate it.
Alyssa Pants, thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
And we had a technocrat in the mix here, Jordan.
So thank you so much to Jackson, Mississippi.
Doesn't have running water and no one seems to care.
Please send help.
Oh boy.
We are not the sort of people to...
jordan holmes
Don't send emergency messages through us.
dan friesen
It's a timely message.
jordan holmes
Please don't.
Oh no.
dan friesen
But you are now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
roger stone
Four stars.
unidentified
Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
pastor david manning
Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
alex jones
Daddy Shark.
Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
unidentified
He's a loser little titty baby.
alex jones
I don't want to hate black people.
I renounce Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
So, Jordan, today, you know, not all the returns have come in.
jordan holmes
Sure, true.
dan friesen
And so there's still a little bit of optimism here.
jordan holmes
Sure, they might still win the Senate.
unidentified
Yes!
jordan holmes
In this time, they might still win the Senate.
dan friesen
That's what we're talking about.
alex jones
The Republicans are winning the races in Arizona and Nevada despite the state attempts to steal them.
But we're not in the woods yet.
Stay with us for this live emergency broadcast.
It's Friday.
dan friesen
So they lost both of those.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But...
Hope springs eternal on Friday.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And they have not had to turn this into a voter fraud conspiracy just yet.
jordan holmes
It is kind of funny how they, like, if they had been, if the Democrats had been winning by more, the Republicans almost would have been in a more comfortable position to claim that it was fraud, as opposed to having, like, a lead for so long that they're like, Well, we can't call it fraud yet.
dan friesen
Don't say fraud until you see the whites of their eyes.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
But also, eh.
dan friesen
So, Alex has a news story that has nothing to do with the political sphere.
And I thought this was really, really shitty.
alex jones
There's a lot of other big news we're going to be hitting.
You know, in the last 20 years, they've used mRNA technology in hundreds of studies with volunteers.
Not just here, but around the world that we know of.
And in every case, a large portion of the individuals that have it tested on them die horribly painful deaths.
Their brains rot.
Their livers liquefy.
Their blood coagulates.
And it's happened again.
New York man dies while being treated with experimental gene editing technology CRISPR.
What do you think they just did with the mRNA shots to hundreds and hundreds and hundreds, if not over a billion people that took it?
dan friesen
So Alex is not in any way established that mRNA technology used in tests in the past has killed a ton of people.
I would fact check this, but he's not being specific about what tests he's talking about, so he's not even really making a claim worth being taken seriously.
If he has some examples, I'd be happy to engage with them at that point, but this is just talking shit.
What Alex is saying isn't true.
And that's why he has no specifics.
jordan holmes
Well, based upon what he's saying, the description of the symptoms that he's describing...
dan friesen
Brain rot.
jordan holmes
Wet liver.
It has happened one time before that I can recall, and that was at a certain point, the Ark of the Covenant was opened.
dan friesen
Sure.
mRNA Ark.
jordan holmes
Yes, exactly.
And if you don't avert your eyes from the mRNA, guess what happens?
dan friesen
mRNA Ark.
MRNARC.
jordan holmes
MRNARC.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Yes, there we go.
dan friesen
So as for this New York man, Alex doesn't have any of the information on this that's worth reporting.
Like, there's nothing that he knows that brings this to the level of it being something that should be on his show.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And he's being a real shithead.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
This is about 27-year-old Terry Horgan, who suffered from a very rare form of muscular dystrophy.
His brother Richard was the head of a non-profit called Cure Rare Disease, which had led a push for exploring gene editing therapy possibilities for conditions like the one his brother had.
Terry was going to get a tailor-made treatment, and had signed up for it, but he passed.
According to Stat News, quote, it's unclear when or even if he received the experimental treatment.
In reality, this is a rare condition that is...
Pretty commonly fatal.
It's been estimated that between the ages of 20 and 25, 86 out of 1,000 patients with this condition would die.
And past the age of 40, that number goes up to 336 out of 1,000 every year.
The median survival age of someone born in the year that Terry was with this condition is 28.1 years, which is close to 27, which was the age that he is.
We don't know if he even got the treatment and even if he did we have no idea if it was connected to his passing.
Even if we do find out that it was connected to the treatment, it wasn't an MRNA treatment and this has nothing to do with COVID.
Yeah, I mean, this...
jordan holmes
Leave this one alone.
I feel like this is a situation, if I understand correctly, where there's a non-profit...
Geared towards people who have diseases that are essentially impossible for a pharmacy company or anything to think, well, we need to develop a therapy for this.
dan friesen
Yeah, it wouldn't be within their profit motive.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
So you're not going to wind up getting all of the trials and everything you need to develop any therapy within any kind of reasonable length of time through the FDA or all of those possible channels if you go through all these testings and all that stuff.
Something along those lines where it is...
Hey, we've got this rare disease.
We've got people who are in a situation where it's like, hey...
Oh my god, this hasn't been tested enough.
Who fucking cares, man?
dan friesen
I don't know enough.
jordan holmes
Or whatever.
dan friesen
I haven't looked into it enough to know, so I don't want to sign off on your description.
jordan holmes
I'm not saying that that's an accurate description.
dan friesen
I'm sure that there has been some tests that have been done in vitro.
unidentified
Of course.
jordan holmes
Right.
I'm not saying they're like, hey, we found something in the woods.
dan friesen
Eat it.
Let's see if it works.
unidentified
Yeah, dude.
dan friesen
I don't think it is like that, but I do think that there is something to the...
You know, just the reality that some of these larger pharmaceutical companies wouldn't explore.
It wouldn't be in their interest to explore some of these things.
So that's some of the work that's left to smaller non-profits.
jordan holmes
That's more my description, is that they wouldn't have any reason because they're about money.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And, you know, this is sad, no matter what.
And Alex using it for his own purposes sucks.
And he can go fuck himself.
jordan holmes
Just leave everybody like that alone.
dan friesen
So now, back to politics.
alex jones
So that's coming up as well.
And boy, a bunch of globalists have come out and announced world government.
We've got that for you.
jordan holmes
That was nice of them.
alex jones
We've got that for you.
jordan holmes
Coming up next.
World government.
alex jones
You're going to get right into all of the election news.
And boy, we suspected fraud Tuesday night.
But now the evidence is overwhelming.
We've got the Trump-Santis Civil War kicked off by Trump.
Got mixed feelings about that.
dan friesen
Bet you do.
jordan holmes
I mean, that's how civil wars are supposed to work.
dan friesen
You're supposed to have mixed feelings about them?
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, you know, when you're fighting brother against brother, the point, not the ideological let's stop slavery part, obviously.
dan friesen
Alex doesn't have mixed feelings about the civil war.
He has mixed feelings about this one.
Yes.
So Alex has no concrete evidence in any way.
Of election fraud.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
But he has now definitively proven it.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Also, every single episode, not every episode, but a lot of episodes.
And you can go back through, like, a decade ago, 15 years ago, and he'll say, the globalists are announcing world government.
jordan holmes
I mean, it is...
dan friesen
They finally come out and said it.
Like, oh, again?
Really?
Wow.
jordan holmes
The blasé nature of the way he describes it, too, as though it's another blind news item coming up.
Like, listen, if there's actually world government announced, I'm gonna hear about it.
As more of a big deal.
dan friesen
The globalists have announced world government, and in other news, squirrel water skis.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
Another ham stolen.
unidentified
Another ham has been stolen by the EU.
jordan holmes
Yes, exactly.
dan friesen
So, Alex does not like this idea that Trump and DeSantis are fighting.
And I get it.
I understand.
alex jones
Also, we're going to be looking at what Trump said last night on his true social, coming out and attacking Governor DeSantis.
Not a good idea.
It's exactly what the corporate media wants.
They've had CNN, New York Times, Fox News, all of the establishment media, other than a few exceptions like Tucker Carlson, have come out and have praised DeSantis and attacked Trump and said that Trump's the reason we didn't win bigger in the midterms and all this made-up garbage to get us fighting with each other.
And Trump, with his ego as big as the moon, has taken the bait, you know I love Trump, and come out and attack DeSantis when DeSantis has never, Attacked Trump.
And so now it's not about a stolen election or an attempt to steal.
Now it's not about Biden being 80 and a geriatric patient.
It's not about Fetterman being a mentally, you know, destroyed giant zombie goblin leader.
It's none of that.
It's all about Trump, DeSantis, and Trump is the reason Republicans didn't win bigger.
Total distraction from reality, and Trump has waded straight into it.
And is attacking DeSantis.
I wish he would just stop.
dan friesen
Zombie goblin leader.
Alex was struggling to land that sentence.
jordan holmes
Oh boy.
dan friesen
So you can hear Alex expressing something in this clip that makes a lot of sense.
He doesn't like the idea of Trump and DeSantis fighting because that's a competing narrative from his own.
And it's one that he can't really profit from.
Alex wants all the right-wing audience to be swept up in the Stop the Steal type stuff, where he can do another dumb caravan tour and yell at rallies about how much proof he has of election fraud.
That's great for Alex, because he can make a lot of money off that, he never has to prove a damn thing, and he gets to be seen as the crusading hero of the Patriots.
Conversely, Trump DeSantis is a dead end.
That fight is no good for Alex because neither choice is really that great for his bottom line, and if the audience is forced to pick a side because they're fighting, Alex is expected to have a position.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Alex has already done his whole I give Trump two weeks to come out against the vaccine or else I'll attack him, and Trump didn't give a single shit.
Alex has already embarrassed himself with his constant...
I swear I'm leaving this time for real stuff that if he does actually decide that he doesn't want to be on Trump's side anymore, who cares?
It won't have any impact, and the only result will be pissing off the members of his audience that still like Trump.
And staying as things are and being on Trump's team again is also embarrassing because Alex made all these ultimatums and Trump didn't care, which shows that Alex is a spineless coward.
On the flip side, going over to DeSantis has its own problems.
Many of the listeners, particularly long-term listeners, have a little bit of hero fatigue.
They were sold a bill of goods about how Trump was going to change everything, and he was the God-appointed leader they needed to trust no matter what, and what did it amount to?
Basically nothing but chaos and an ego-driven asshole picking fights.
Having gone through all that, it's understandable if many of the listeners aren't super keen to adopt a new god king.
You would think.
This is clearly bad for his wallet at this point.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, I feel like the main issue for him is he's kind of pot committed with Trump, less because of the electorality kind of situation, and more so just because of the personality connection to the two of them.
He's not going to relate to DeSantis, and DeSantis is never going to give Alex a bone.
dan friesen
Probably not.
jordan holmes
You know?
dan friesen
Although, you know, you never really would think that...
I've been surprised by stuff.
unidentified
True.
jordan holmes
That is true.
dan friesen
DeSantis could get desperate.
jordan holmes
True, but I mean, if the point that everybody is making about their fight is that people are tired of Trump and would rather have DeSantis, someone who is less like Trump, it makes even way less sense for DeSantis to be like, and now Alex is my buddy!
You know, you don't want that loud, bombastic asshole right around you.
dan friesen
It would sort of lessen the appeal of the I'm not Trump thing.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Yeah, you make a good point there.
jordan holmes
Yeah, so I feel like for...
dan friesen
I think that Alex is...
You're right that Alex is sort of pot-committed with Trump, but I also don't think he understands that.
jordan holmes
No, not at all.
dan friesen
And he should, you know, just like on our last episode, Ali Alexander was saying that Infowars, they're his ride or dies.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
dan friesen
And I think Alex should stay to his word and be a ride or die with Trump.
jordan holmes
Here's what I say.
Here's what I say that they have to do.
This is the smart play for Alex, okay?
unidentified
Say...
jordan holmes
I don't care which of them comes out on top.
Because whoever comes out on top is going to be the better candidate, because they're going to fight each other so much harder than any Democrat could fight, that all of their bullshit will be out, and by the time that we're ready to play against the Democrats, we'll be unstoppable.
That's the way iron sharpens iron, that kind of thing.
dan friesen
I like this, except it doesn't work when it's Trump and dissent, because that's going to get so ugly.
jordan holmes
I know, but that's what they want, right?
dan friesen
But they don't, no, because you can't hold back while it's getting ugly.
Right.
You could be like, let's see who comes out on top when everyone's throwing shit at each other.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but that would be the fun thing.
What would drive money to Alex is nonstop fighting.
dan friesen
Sure, but you'd have to have your side in the fight.
jordan holmes
Sure, but I mean, he picks Trump.
dan friesen
You can't have nonstop fighting and it being like, well, let's look at these two fight.
Like, watching Trump and Hillary in 2016 wouldn't have been Valuable to Alex if he wasn't into Trump and hated Hillary.
That is what drove the interest of the audience.
And so, like, if it's two guys who you're supposed to like both of them and they fucking hate each other, that's kind of difficult.
jordan holmes
But here's the thing that people are discounting, and that is that the way you get famous is you have rap battles, man.
I'm talking about...
dan friesen
Now, hold on.
jordan holmes
You gotta have Tupac and Biggie.
You gotta have two people...
You've got to have fights going on, and then everybody is like, oh, we've got to pay attention to this.
That's the way you do it.
dan friesen
DeSantis shows up, and he's like, drop a beat.
jordan holmes
Do it.
Absolutely.
Alex is like, move!
unidentified
Move!
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So anyway, Alex doesn't like Trump's statement that he made on Truth Social, but he also thinks it's true.
alex jones
He's also set to announce he's running for president.
Great.
I'm mad at Trump over the shots.
Wish he would have come out against him like DeSantis did, but overall...
The globalists hate Trump more than anybody.
He's anti-New World Order.
He's obviously better than the Democrats.
But it's just we need to not be fighting with each other, ladies and gentlemen.
We need to not be battling with each other.
It really is that simple.
Statement by President Donald J. Trump, 40th President of the United States of America.
And he goes in to talk about Fox News is basically boosting DeSantis and not him for president.
He made DeSantis, and DeSantis has all these neocons fluttering around him that he's meeting with, which is true.
I don't like Jeb Bush hanging around.
I don't like Mitt Romney hanging around.
But you know what?
Trump's hung out with all those guys, too, until they triple stabbed him in the back.
So the jury's out on that with DeSantis, and I'm not going to get in this mini pageant of Trump's better or DeSantis is better or Trump's worse or DeSantis is worse.
I'm just not going to do it.
And people need to stay focused on inflation, the open borders, the exploding crime, the war in Ukraine, the poison shots, how they're trying to come back out with more forced injections and lockdowns in the future.
dan friesen
I mean, good luck trying to take some kind of a high road.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
This show is like...
A gossip show for the extreme right.
As soon as words start flying, it's going to be all Alex could talk about.
And if he doesn't, his audience will be calling in and they'll be like, you know, why do you think about this?
It'll be so conspicuous if he doesn't get in the mud and make it a beauty pageant.
jordan holmes
And absolutely zero people think that, or zero people want that.
We all gotta come together message from Alex.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You can have, though, some people on the right want, though, we should all come together.
Maybe most of them want that, but you're not going to Alex to get it.
dan friesen
No, but I also think that you're maybe mischaracterizing what he means by that.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, of course.
dan friesen
He doesn't mean let's get kumbaya here.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, I understand.
dan friesen
What he means is more like we all gotta get together with the narrative.
We can't let this be the thing everybody's talking about because if it is, I can't.
I got no room to play here.
jordan holmes
Right, but you don't want Alex to be the guy saying don't fight.
He's Alex fucking Jones!
dan friesen
Well, I mean, you know, on January 6th, he was yelling in the bullhorn, telling everybody, cool it!
jordan holmes
Well, it hasn't gotten better since then, has it?
unidentified
Nope.
dan friesen
So, yeah, Trump took the bait.
alex jones
Sure.
dan friesen
I don't know who was baiting him.
jordan holmes
Who was baiting him?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Oh, DeSantis?
alex jones
And instead of making it about the Democrats trying to steal the election and blunting the victory, instead of making it About how we need to get rid of the Republican, neocon, rhino, corporatist leadership like Mitch McConnell and others.
Instead of that, it's all about Trump and DeSantis.
And that's why the Republican establishment has weighed in with the liberal media to try to create a Trump-DeSantis rift.
And old 45 has taken the bait like a big old bass you put a purple worm in front of.
dan friesen
Trump didn't take any bait.
He's just an asshole who lashes out at people constantly.
He feels like his position in the extreme right-wing sphere is threatened by DeSantis, because it is, so he's attacking him.
It's honestly shocking that Trump waited until after the midterm.
jordan holmes
100%.
dan friesen
I guess that's a pretty good strategy.
Like, you don't want the Democrat to win the Florida governor race, particularly because Trump lives in Florida.
So you wait until immediately after to attack, because at this point, it's about the 2024 general election.
Still.
That is an amazing amount of restraint for someone like Trump to have shot.
jordan holmes
That's true.
That's true.
I mean, it goes back to what Alex said earlier, like Trump attacked and DeSantis didn't, nobody attacked first.
And it's like, yeah.
Do you expect Trump to only attack in retaliation?
That's the way you view him?
dan friesen
Yeah, Trump is a pacifist until you come at him.
jordan holmes
He's not at all aggressive.
No, no, no, no.
dan friesen
Yeah, for sure.
jordan holmes
Okay, all right, gotcha, gotcha.
dan friesen
So here's some good news.
jordan holmes
What's that?
dan friesen
It's not good news, but it's kind of fun.
Owen is still reporting from the big board.
jordan holmes
Wait, this is Friday!
dan friesen
I'd like to imagine that he hasn't left.
He's just still there.
jordan holmes
He's tied with one ankle to a chain, yeah.
dan friesen
He's got his necktie undone.
He's haggard.
But he's still at the big board, and he's checking in on Arizona.
unidentified
Sure.
owen shroyer
Let's talk about where we stand right now.
I don't like what I'm seeing in Arizona, and despite the confidence that Lake and Masters still have that these late-night, last-minute ballot dumps are going to favor them, I'm just not seeing it, Alex.
They're not getting the returns they thought.
They thought they were going to be getting about 60, even 70 percent of some of these last-minute returns coming from more conservative areas.
They're just not getting it.
They're just not getting it.
In fact, Katie Hobbs' lead was actually extended last night with the late-night, last-minute ballot drop still coming in.
They say 82% are in.
So this is going to be a miracle comeback at this point, I think, for Carrie Lake.
And then even farther behind now is Blake Masters to the incumbent Mark Kelly.
That will take a miracle at this point for Masters to pull this one off.
I don't know how he does.
the returns are not coming in favorable right now for Republicans and it's been shown that the incumbents did really So there's a minute of Owen sort of covering the election results and not making it a conspiracy.
dan friesen
Which I was surprised by.
jordan holmes
I don't know what I'm hearing.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, it is what it is.
I mean, it's pretty much just kind of like, here's numbers are coming in.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
I mean, I know what I'm hearing.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
You know, like, I know that I'm hearing Wolf Blitzer at the board.
I'm frustrated that, one, Wolf Blitzer isn't tied to the board, too.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
And, two, that it's Owen doing this.
What is happening?
dan friesen
I think maybe that Owen kind of, like, experienced it.
On midterm night.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And he was like, I gotta get better at this.
jordan holmes
Chasing that drink.
dan friesen
Gotta get better at this.
jordan holmes
Maybe this is my...
dan friesen
Maybe...
Let me give this another shot.
Let me see if I can just say some information instead of some dumb bullshit about Philadelphia County.
jordan holmes
I'm bummed out because I've got Alex giving me let's all come together and I've got Owen trying to be a journalist.
This is bullshit.
dan friesen
I mean, Owen does still say a bunch of dumb shit.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah.
But he's trying to be a journalist.
dan friesen
It also says some things that are like, eh, fair point.
owen shroyer
This was a three-headed monster, if you will, or a trifecta of the new brand of conservative, the fighter, the one that takes on the media, the one that takes on the establishment, the one that's not afraid to back Trump or give him trouble if they have to.
And so we were kind of looking at this race in Arizona saying...
This could be a determining factor of what the future of the Republican Party looks like.
If we have big wins in Arizona, this new breed of Republican that Lake and Masters and Hamaday represent is going to be the type of person the Republicans may want to put forward.
Well, they're not winning.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I mean, he's giving an assessment of, you know, hey, this was this new idea.
These are our kind of candidates, and they are all losing.
jordan holmes
We tried unqualified stupid assholes, and we thought it was working really well there for a while, but now it doesn't seem like it's working.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
We took the wrong message from 2020, maybe.
unidentified
Yeah, could be.
dan friesen
Our message was, everything is stolen.
Not a great lesson, turns out.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it doesn't help with the lesson.
dan friesen
Everything is stolen.
Let's run weirdos.
jordan holmes
Let's do it again, man!
dan friesen
Anyway, I think that here's where things fall apart for Owen.
owen shroyer
And then the runoff would just be like gravy for them if they can get that in Georgia, which sadly I kind of expect them to win at this point.
I'm not sure what the Republican plan is for Georgia.
If they think going on Fox News is the key, if they think going on Sean Hannity is the key, then they're going to lose.
Period.
That's it.
End of sentence.
They have no boots on the ground.
They have no plan.
Nothing from McConnell.
Where is McConnell, by the way?
Anybody heard from McConnell these last couple days?
No, he's hiding in a hole.
He's loving what he's seeing.
He wants to lose the Senate.
He wants to lose the Senate so he can blame it on Donald Trump and then make his number one initiative from now till 2024 is to get Trump out of the party, no matter what you, the voter, think.
This is what it's all about.
This is the new battle for the GOP.
dan friesen
This is a good conspiracy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it really is.
dan friesen
It is not too far to be...
You're not being overly ambitious.
Obviously, there is an understandable and believable problem, and that is that Mitch McConnell is pissed off about Trump basically taking over the GOP.
jordan holmes
Indeed.
dan friesen
So, in order to resolve this, you tank the midterms, and then you blame it on Trump, and just like that, you're out of the woods, and you're safe.
jordan holmes
It's not quite that simple.
dan friesen
But in terms of a conspiracy that you're going to make about losing the midterms, pretty good.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, as far as the conspiracy goes, I don't even think that's a conspiracy theory so much as it is like, okay, I think this might be a fairly workable plan.
That might work.
And if McConnell's plans have so far worked.
I wouldn't put it past him to have a good plan.
dan friesen
Uh-huh.
Well, I think that staying the majority leader is probably more important to him.
jordan holmes
Probably.
dan friesen
But what you're saying is totally accurate.
There is a...
Like an A to B to C of the plan.
It makes sense.
jordan holmes
And it works!
You can...
I mean, I don't know if it works or works, but...
dan friesen
Things fall apart in stage three, I think.
jordan holmes
Yes, that's the issue.
dan friesen
The part where you blame Trump and magically everybody doesn't like him.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That part is going to be a little bit of a problem in execution.
jordan holmes
I mean, you can see that he's probably helping juice the media narrative go along and all that stuff, but again, he's clearly getting yelled at by the people that like Trump.
You know, it's not like he's tricked...
dan friesen
It's just rare that you hear a conspiracy being thrown out by someone at Infowars that like, well, at least has the grammar of a conspiracy.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, it is, and it's also such like, it is not, it's not out of reason.
I mean, look.
dan friesen
I find it out of reason.
jordan holmes
No, McConnell blocks the Supreme Court justice.
There's a plan behind that.
It's not clear A to B to C. If I do this, then this will happen.
We'll get Trump and then we'll fill that seat finally.
There was always the possibility that Hillary was going to win and they were going to have to fill it.
But he's the one who orchestrated that whole idea.
dan friesen
Sure, that's a long shot.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
And giving him this as a long shot, why not?
You know?
I don't know if it happened this way at all.
dan friesen
Hear me out.
jordan holmes
I'm saying it's reasonable to think that he might have tried this.
dan friesen
Hear me out.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Alright.
dan friesen
I don't think that this is...
I don't think this happened.
I think it's probably...
jordan holmes
I agree with you on that.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Now, ten years from now, if someone writes a book and it's a tell-all where Mitch McConnell says, I threw those midterms in order to get Trump out of my hair.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't think I'd be that surprised.
jordan holmes
Exactly!
Yes, that's what I'm saying.
dan friesen
But I also don't think it happened, and I don't think there's any evidence for it.
jordan holmes
I agree with that, too.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
As long as we're on the same page.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
So anyway, the Trump-DeSantis thing is bait.
alex jones
You are absolutely right, and that's why we cannot take the bait and get into this DeSantis versus Trump, Trump versus DeSantis garbage, and Trump is really taking the bait, and we care about Trump, but you're absolutely right.
We need to focus on the Republican leadership.
And on this election fraud and on issues.
We've got to get that talking point out.
Our millions of listeners right now and viewers can do that, folks.
Don't take the bait of this Trump to Santa's garbage.
We've got to stay on McConnell, Kevin McCarthy.
We've got to stay on these elections.
We've got to stay on the issues.
dan friesen
There is no bait.
It's Trump being an asshole.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
I mean, the irony, of course, is that they have no governing.
Ability, policy, ideas, anything.
dan friesen
No, so the issues are tough.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
I can't believe they're all saying that, like, they haven't very clearly been removing anyone with ideas as a matter of principle.
dan friesen
We have to stick to the policy conversation.
jordan holmes
What policy?
What policy?
dan friesen
Lock her up.
jordan holmes
When was the last time you heard of a tax plan that was fucking anything?
Even reasonable!
dan friesen
Could I suggest lock her up?
jordan holmes
How about a 10% flat tax across...
What issues are you talking about?
dan friesen
999.
unidentified
Insane.
dan friesen
Herman Cain.
jordan holmes
Insane!
dan friesen
So, you know, if you're doing a post-mortem here on the midterms, you're going to find a lot of places to place blame.
And Alex has an interesting one.
alex jones
A lot of things happen.
Republican overconfidence.
The media put out there, oh, Republicans are going to win no matter what.
You don't have to vote.
But we know there was the same playbook of fraud in the key battleground states we saw before.
The unexplained ballot drops in Georgia and Michigan, Pennsylvania and Nevada and Colorado.
dan friesen
So none of that is real?
alex jones
No.
dan friesen
Everything is the globalists' fault, though, apparently.
Even your feelings are just the result of the globalists tricking you into feeling that way.
jordan holmes
I mean, yeah, is that...
That's crazy.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So I guess the GOP overconfidence was part of why they didn't win the midterms, and that was caused by the globalists in the media who were saying that the GOP was going to win, which caused Republicans to stay home and not vote.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Which is stupid.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
I'm not sure that many of the voters Alex is talking about take their voting cues from the mainstream media, but an even bigger problem is that Alex was constantly talking about how the midterm was going to be a red tsunami and a bloodbath.
If reporting that the GOP was going to win big is actually a psy-op to lower GOP voting, then Alex is the guiltiest party of that.
Also, Alex has presented literally nothing to Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it is funny.
I was talking to my family, and they're not election voter fraud like, oh, they're stealing elections so much as they're like, well, I mean, obviously they steal elections.
Everybody steals elections.
There's no fair election.
If Democrats are stealing elections, Republicans are stealing.
There's an equilibrium that's simultaneous with the real one where nobody's doing voter fraud.
They've just...
We moved it over to everyone.
Everyone's doing voter fraud.
It's like a switch.
It's weird.
dan friesen
It's a bizarro world.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it is a bizarro world.
dan friesen
Dark universe.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and everybody voted, but also everybody stole the same amount of votes that other people stole, so it all kind of washes out.
dan friesen
This isn't going to get better.
roger stone
No.
dan friesen
So anyway, we got a guest.
Sure.
He may or may not have shown up on midterm eve, but I don't know, because he was hanging out with Mike Lindell.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
We got Roger.
jordan holmes
We got the Stone Zone.
roger stone
We still don't know who won the U.S. Senate race in Nevada.
We're going to a sudden death runoff, I think, in Georgia.
Right now, what I'd like to see, in all honesty, is...
Governor DeSantis has got $150 million in his federal PAC.
How much is he sending to Herschel Walker?
Donald Trump has got tens of millions of dollars in his federal PAC.
How much is he sending to Herschel Walker?
alex jones
That's what I was saying earlier.
We should see the Republicans all behind Herschel Walker right now.
We're hearing almost nothing.
roger stone
And meanwhile, Raphael Warnock, who's an extreme leftist, You know, you remember him, the guy who ran over his wife with a car.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry, what?
roger stone
He accuses Herschel Walker being mentally unbalanced.
That guy's taking in...
$50 million.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's just something that Roger's repeating from an attack ad put out by the Walker campaign.
roger stone
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
They allege that in a fight during their divorce, Warnock hit his now ex-wife with a car.
In reality, she had claimed that he had run over her foot, but there's a little bit of trouble with the story.
Firstly, Warnock was the one who called the police to his ex-wife's home to report that she had accused him of running over her foot.
The police came and found that she was, quote, reluctant to show her foot to an officer, and the police report said this, quote, It's entirely possible that he could have run over her foot and not left any of those signs.
It's not likely, but it is possible.
It could happen.
unidentified
It's possible.
dan friesen
If this is what Roger has to attack Warnock with compared to the very clear and verifiable dirt that Walker's got going against him, this doesn't feel very compelling.
I know that Roger is an attack-only kind of guy, and he needs to use whatever ammunition's available to him, but this feels pretty weak.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Makes me feel like the Dems are probably going to hold on to Georgia.
jordan holmes
Well, we'll see.
We'll see.
dan friesen
We will.
jordan holmes
Who knows?
You know, it's like, what we saw, there's tons of narratives, but it feels like what we saw is just...
Just old people and young people tied, you know?
dan friesen
But Roger is the voice of the attacking old person.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
That does not feel very strong.
jordan holmes
It's not good, yeah.
dan friesen
So, look, here is where things fell apart for me when I was preparing this episode.
Hours, perhaps.
jordan holmes
What did Roger say?
dan friesen
Well, it's more something Alex said.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
A couple years ago, going to an event, Roger Stone was T-boned and almost killed.
It happened again going in Memphis to a big event and Frank Speech TV.
That's how crazy this is getting.
So Roger just keeps getting T-boned in the middle of nowhere.
dan friesen
Roger keeps getting T-boned.
So what about the polonium poisoning?
jordan holmes
If you are continually T-boned in the middle of nowhere, that is a different story to me.
It seems, and I could be wrong, I could be wrong, but it seems more likely to be T-boned in an area where there are more cars around you.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
That's just math in my head.
dan friesen
Yeah, maybe, I don't know.
I wonder, it's my perception, and I don't know this based on any statistics, but it's my perception that people are a little bit looser with driving drunk in the middle of nowhere.
jordan holmes
That's definitely been the case in my growing up in the middle of nowhere.
dan friesen
Anecdotally, from my time in central Missouri.
unidentified
Exactly, yeah.
jordan holmes
From my time in central Illinois.
Basically the center of all states.
dan friesen
Now that being said, I also know a lot of people who drive drunk in Chicago, but they're also comedians, so that is a...
jordan holmes
That's not fair.
dan friesen
That's a confounding variable.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Anyway, the car accident that Roger had in Florida was really weird.
One of the T-bonings.
This happened back in 2017, and the circumstances of that one were really bizarre.
jordan holmes
Oh my god.
Of course they were.
dan friesen
Roger was apparently in the car, and there was supposedly a hit-and-run accident.
The police are called, but for some reason they don't show up until 70 minutes later, and when they get there, Roger's nowhere to be found.
He apparently waited 30 minutes then got an Uber.
Leaving the scene of his alleged assassination attempt.
I don't buy the whole, like, this was a they were trying to take me out kind of thing, based on the circumstances.
So he was just in another car accident in Memphis, or just outside Memphis, and this is one I've seen pictures of the car, because they posted some pictures, and it looks like a bad crash.
I don't know if there's any evidence that it was done intentionally, but that car was banged up.
So the crash itself happened in Germantown, Tennessee, and their police department has a Twitter account where they have a habit of giving people updates on things like traffic situations.
For instance, on October 21st, they tweeted, quote, Our officers are working a motor vehicle crash in the area of Poplar Avenue and Brackton Avenue.
Currently, we have traffic shut down.
Consider using an alternate route.
Or, on September 9th, they tweeted, quote, two-car vehicle crash at Poplar and Germantown Road.
East travel lanes are blocked.
Please use an alternate route.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
On November 10th, right around when Roger's accident would have happened, they tweeted, quote, officers are on the scene of a crash where a utility pole was struck and damaged on Wolf River Boulevard near Riverdale.
Westbound lanes on Wolf River are being diverted, causing delays in the area.
There's no other tweets about car accidents or traffic issues since October 24th.
I don't think this was Roger, because I found another news report about this accident.
The person driving the car was taken to the hospital.
But here's how I ended up wasting so much time.
jordan holmes
I am interested to know.
dan friesen
I saw a picture of the car.
Oh, no.
And it had an upward angle.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
And I saw a bridge.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
You didn't geolocate, did you?
dan friesen
I was trying.
jordan holmes
You were geolocating?
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
I was Google Earthing all around Germantown.
jordan holmes
We gotta hook you up with those guys who can geolocate anything playing that one game.
dan friesen
There probably was a better way I could have done this, but anyway, I wasted a lot of time.
jordan holmes
Part of their skills is just memorizing the world.
You should try that.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I'll work on it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, the Germantown Police Department also has a Facebook page that they're more active on, and they have a daily post where they list the crimes that they responded to that day.
jordan holmes
I don't understand that, but fine.
dan friesen
Roger's accident occurred on either the 9th or the 10th of November.
I'm not entirely sure.
I believe it was the 9th.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But there's also a story that came out on the 11th that implies that it was yesterday, so the 9th or the 10th.
jordan holmes
Let's just say that in...
Proper stone fashion, the details are murky.
dan friesen
Yes.
On the 9th, police responded to a report of someone being in possession of a stolen vehicle and, quote, an unknown suspect started a small fire in a trash can.
So that's the 9th.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
Then there were four crimes on the 10th.
jordan holmes
Missing ham.
dan friesen
One was two people fighting.
Two involved reports of forged checks.
And the last one was, quote, a complaint reporting the theft of a catalytic converter.
The only conclusion I can come to after spending way too much time on this is that if Roger really believed that he'd been the target of an assassination attempt by way of this car accident, it seems strange that they didn't call the police.
That is, as the kids say, very sus.
jordan holmes
That is interesting.
dan friesen
And it does not appear that they called the police about this.
I mean, even if it was just a hit and run, or even if it's just an accident, you would call the police.
jordan holmes
Well, don't you have to have the police report for your insurance claim or whatever?
dan friesen
Yeah, and based on everything I can find about the Germantown Police Department's transparency and their social media, it does not appear that Roger called them.
jordan holmes
Interesting.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
The plot, well, I mean, it just comes a little bit murkier than usual.
Oh, Roger, this sounds right.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He could have been hit by a polonium poisoning driving a car.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Like, that's what is going on.
dan friesen
I come to no conclusions other than this is sus.
jordan holmes
The car is not in perfect shape.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
That is what we can conclusively say.
dan friesen
No, I will give Roger credit, because he doesn't think that this was an assassination.
unidentified
Uh-oh.
roger stone
I'm fine.
There's no reason to believe a political motive.
The guy wasn't wearing a Black Lives Matter T-shirt.
They didn't find a copy.
alex jones
But if memory serves, didn't you just get T-boned like a year and a half ago?
roger stone
It was longer than that.
And, of course, we never learned who that was.
In other words, whoever struck the car didn't do so much damage to their own car.
They were able to back up and pull away, and the local police were never able to identify who had done that.
So it remains unsolved, to say the least.
dan friesen
Weird.
So I applaud Roger for not thinking that this was a political hit.
Kind of shitty that he kind of still thinks the one in 2017 was.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But here's another problem with what he just said.
He said that this wasn't political, and he's basing that on the person not wearing a Black Lives Matter shirt.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that was...
dan friesen
This, well, I mean, beyond it just being dumb, this implies that he saw the driver.
jordan holmes
Indeed.
dan friesen
So he didn't call the police.
He's withholding information about a hit-and-run driver.
I don't know.
I don't buy it.
jordan holmes
I don't buy it either.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
I just don't.
dan friesen
I think he might have hit a pole.
I think he might have hit the utility pole.
jordan holmes
I think he was the guy who hit the utility pole.
I mean, yeah.
That's what makes sense to me.
That's just what I got.
dan friesen
It's infuriating.
jordan holmes
Well, it's not like I'm going to trust Roger as a default.
dan friesen
Sure.
It would be unwise.
Yeah.
So, Owen has some more analysis here, and I think that this is really sad.
I think he just is trying to struggle with the fact that there are more people in cities.
And that people in cities tend to be more liberal.
owen shroyer
What the hell is going on in Atlanta?
What the hell is going on in Phoenix?
What the hell is going on in these major cities, Chicago, you name it, where Democrats get 70%, 80%, sometimes in New York, 90% of the vote?
Until Republicans address that issue and try to mitigate those margins, I don't see them winning anything, quite frankly.
I just don't see how it happens with these margins that are coming in from these major cities.
Do they trust the results?
Is that just because Republicans just have abandoned the major cities?
They don't even bother?
Is it voter fraud?
Is it election fraud?
I don't know.
They won't look into it, and so they never have a chance.
And then in these state elections, they just get overwhelmed.
I mean, New York is a perfect example.
If you take out New York City...
The state of New York is red!
And it's not even close!
alex jones
Absolutely, Owen Schroer.
dan friesen
What a great point.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
If you disenfranchise the largest city in the United States, then the state is red.
jordan holmes
It is absolutely not possible to consider that perhaps when large groups of disparate, different people...
Get together, recognize how very, very, very similar they are and live in the same community together.
They don't think that it's all black people's fault.
But if, say, you lived in the middle of nowhere in a small town with nothing but white people...
Boy, it sure seems easy to say, it's all black people's fault.
dan friesen
I feel like the messaging, especially the current GOP and the fringy-ass weirdos like Alex and Owen, their messaging does not ring true to folks who live in cities and have broader life experience.
I don't believe.
And I do think that Owen does have a point that the people in the GOP will have a difficult time winning elections if they can't make any kind of an appeal to people who live in cities.
And I think one of the things that they should think about is changing their fucking message.
But instead, it's like, oh, it's all voter fraud.
Why won't they investigate this?
You've spent the last two fucking years screaming about this and people having investigations that go nowhere.
Come on, man.
Just change your message.
People don't like it.
jordan holmes
It does seem silly.
If what it seems like is true, that old people and young people tied, I mean, I wouldn't want to be on the side of old people for the future.
You know what I'm saying?
That's not a winning strategy if we're like, let's choose the dead ones.
That's not going to help.
dan friesen
As time goes on, it becomes worse and worse of an option.
jordan holmes
You've got to pick up new.
dan friesen
So Alex plays a clip of a guy.
He doesn't say who he is, I don't believe.
He's just a financial guy.
jordan holmes
He's a financial guy.
dan friesen
I didn't look into who this person was either because it was just really clear that Alex doesn't understand what he's saying.
unidentified
And all of this actually matters for nature as well.
alex jones
Oh, yes.
unidentified
I'm going to quickly hand off, but again, I want to talk about value one more time because the southern part of the world has value.
Far greater than large elements of the northern part and we start thinking about and putting prices on water, on trees, on biodiversity.
We find where does that sit?
I'm doing a lot of work out of Asia and I say that my next-door neighbor Indonesia is the left lung of the world and obviously Brazil is the right and Africa absolutely critical and we need their natural capital.
As a system-based world, more than we need that $66 billion we've got sitting in the basement of the Bank of England.
So how do we, and I'm hoping this discussion today, at least from a central banker's point of view, on how do we start tokenizing?
How do we start building systems that actually create not only the value, but transfer that value around the world?
alex jones
Oh, yes.
Oh, they're transferring money to the third world that they control to the IMF and World Bank.
Wow.
dan friesen
Way wrong.
alex jones
And now they count for the trees and the animals.
They vote for them.
You don't have a vote anymore.
That's their admitted plan.
dan friesen
It's really bizarre.
He does not have comprehension skills, like really basic comprehension skills.
jordan holmes
Yeah, what's crazy is that that's actually a really terrifying thing to hear a central banker say.
You know?
That's a scary thing that he just said.
And Alex is like, oh, but the IMF, you know, it's crazy.
dan friesen
I think it depends on exactly what the intentions are.
Because there's a way to hear that that has more of a sense that...
The things like these rainforests in Brazil and such, they have a value that is greater to the system of the world than anything that we can really put a monetary value on like in a logging industry or whatever forces are there that are concrete that would lead to deforestation.
And so a system...
Should be conceived of that allows for the tokenization of these things existing.
Right.
You know?
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And I do think that it's kind of scary, but at the same time, it's kind of closer to conservation.
jordan holmes
Right.
Now, in a similar way to Roger, my default is not going to be believe him.
alex jones
Right.
jordan holmes
A central banker talking about natural resources is the most terrifying thing that can happen.
That's in my head because when you say tokenize, what I'm hearing from them is, okay, alright, we've been owning this the wrong way.
We've been strip mining.
What we need to do is own it the right way.
And grow stuff that we own.
dan friesen
I can see why that impression comes to mind.
And I'm not saying that's not what he was saying.
I think that there are ways to look at...
The implications of what he's saying that kind of vary.
But we agree on what he's saying.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
And that is different than what Alex heard.
jordan holmes
Alex has no idea what he said.
dan friesen
He just thinks that, oh, we're going to take all the money from the Bank of England and give it to the South.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that is way off.
alex jones
So you just heard the Bank of England guys say we're going to transfer all the wealth out of the North to the South because there's more life in the South.
It's all about control.
Take your money and enslave them.
And now Biden's bumbling around at the new Paris Agreement 2.0, promising all of this to transfer our wealth to the globalists, not to the poor people who they've had under lockdown for years.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's tough to hear him and think people take this seriously.
He has just basic inability to...
He responds cold to things and he doesn't get them.
And that's kind of troubling.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, a lot of the times you can see him get enough of it and be emotional enough about...
The right part of it that you can kind of skip over that he doesn't understand most of it.
dan friesen
Right.
Or you can obscure that.
jordan holmes
Yes, yeah, yeah.
In this regard, I mean, I can't see anybody who knows less about what they're talking about flounder more trying to look like they know what they're talking about.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's terrible.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, if you listen to as much of it as I do, then you'd hear that a lot more.
jordan holmes
That's a good point.
dan friesen
It's not always necessarily something we talk about.
And maybe I just needed to find some things to fill in this episode because...
This is maybe shorter for a couple reasons.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
First, my sad attempt at geolocating a bridge.
jordan holmes
Hey, you did your best.
dan friesen
Took a lot of time.
jordan holmes
You did your best.
dan friesen
I thought it would be so fun if I could come in and be like, I know where that bridge is!
jordan holmes
I know, it would be really great.
It would have paid off.
It would have been a great risk, like, blocking a Supreme Court justice.
dan friesen
Yeah, it doesn't always play out in your favor and whatever.
And the second reason is this.
alex jones
In defiance of the censors trying to silence us, Gavin McGinnis is our guest for the Balance of the Hour to talk about the midterms, the fraud we witnessed, this new rip between Trump and DeSantis, the carbon taxes, the new world order, the open borders, the war in Ukraine, the insanity going on.
He is the host of a very popular show at censor.tv.
The founder of Vice and so much more needs no introduction.
Gavin, thank you so much for being on with us, my friend.
We didn't talk before you came on.
I threw out kind of a plethora of things to hit, but what's front and center for you, my friend?
unidentified
A new phenomenon I'm calling chair-erism.
roger stone
It's terrorism from a chair.
gavin mcinnes
I had a show in Rutherford, New Jersey last night, and Antifa found out about it.
They just terrorized with their thumbs the venue owner, the chief of police, the mayor, and they don't have to show up.
No one left their chair for any of this, but the mayor got spooked.
He called the chief of police, who told the venue to shut it down, and they did.
dan friesen
Yeah, so what's first and foremost on Gavin McGinnis' mind is he had a show canceled.
jordan holmes
Yeah, the midterms.
I mean, I had...
dan friesen
All of these important world events, we gotta get into all of them, but first, I had a show canceled.
jordan holmes
Most importantly, let's think about the true victim here, okay?
dan friesen
Which is, of course...
jordan holmes
The venue had a two-drink minimum, okay?
dan friesen
Oh, my God.
jordan holmes
They lost a lot on that, okay?
That's bullshit.
dan friesen
Unthinkable.
jordan holmes
I genuinely thought he was in jail.
I thought he was in jail for some reason.
dan friesen
No, you thought that because he faked an arrest like a couple months ago.
jordan holmes
Oh, is that what happened?
dan friesen
Yeah, he faked getting arrested.
jordan holmes
Fuck me!
Why would I pay attention past that?
dan friesen
Yeah, well, actually, it's fun that you didn't because the reason that it came out that he faked it was because Owen Benjamin, who is, of course, the forest-dwelling Nazi that used to host the fourth hour for Alex from time to time, he leaked...
Oh, my God.
Between himself and Gavin, which, I mean, it speaks to the fact that him and Gavin are still on friendly terms, even though he's a forced-dwelling Nazi.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah, so he, a couple months back on his show, he faked like a raid.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And then disappeared in the middle of the show.
And it was all just like a stunt.
jordan holmes
Oh my god.
dan friesen
That he was faking getting arrested.
jordan holmes
So is he still touring as a comic?
dan friesen
Yeah, he had a couple shows canceled.
One was like him and Alex Stein, that troll guy who yelled at AOC.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, the two of them are apparently doing some like jokes.
Doing some laughs.
unidentified
Wow.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Wow.
Can't believe it.
unidentified
Nope.
dan friesen
Not good.
So, look, spending a lot of time trying to geolocate Roger's car, and then Gavin McGinnis being on the show...
jordan holmes
It's a real bummer.
dan friesen
...kind of makes it so, like, I don't know.
Like, we have...
I have clips that I cut of Gavin.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But, like, as we're talking and as I'm sitting here, he just says offensive things, like...
Trying to bait reaction and stuff.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I don't really even think any of his analysis or the things that he says are worthwhile.
Like, at one point he says that his prediction is that Biden's going to beat Trump in 2024 because women are too emotional.
Like, that's the kind of thing.
jordan holmes
Great.
dan friesen
I don't know.
What's the point?
jordan holmes
Here's what I'm hearing, okay?
His show should have been canceled because he thought that Chererist was funny.
And that means...
That the shows are done.
dan friesen
That's your opener, by the way.
That's your terrorism.
jordan holmes
Wow, is that bad.
dan friesen
Strong.
jordan holmes
Wow, is that bad.
And he came out with it like, ooh, this is my bit.
I'm going to get in there.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I'm trying to see if there's anything even of these clips that's worth talking about.
unidentified
Brutal.
dan friesen
And I don't think there is.
Although I was sad to see him appear.
Yeah.
I don't know what, like, I don't know why you'd...
I thought he was a thing of the past.
jordan holmes
I thought he was fully disgraced by everybody and we had just moved on from him existing.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, that never really happens with InfoWars.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
dan friesen
Steve Pachanik comes back constantly.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's always around.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I guess I wouldn't really be...
Gavin belongs in that part of my brain with Cernovich and Jack Posobiec.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
These people that like...
I don't really see...
I guess Jack Posobiec was on not too long ago.
But Cernovich, I don't think, has been on Infowars in a long time.
Lauren Southern.
These kinds of people who had been on in this...
This other period.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Seeing him now, I'm like, this doesn't feel right.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, it's not...
His role is supposed to be, like, during 2016, he says offensive stuff, and it's kind of like, we're all having fun on this show, trolling the libs with our offensive stuff.
And it's kind of tired now.
jordan holmes
This is bad.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I don't know if I like his shows getting canceled now that I know that he's a comic, because I kind of want him...
And people don't know this, I think.
Is that while, yes, canceling his shows might hit his wallet and all of that stuff real bad, I think what would really hurt him, though, is to live through a lot of those shows that I've lived through where you've got 15 people who showed up and 12 of them were on free tickets.
dan friesen
No, I don't think so because he has a gang.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
The Proud Boys.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's right.
They all fucking love him.
unidentified
Well, yeah.
dan friesen
And also, it might not hurt his wallet so much because he claims that he's going to sue the city of Rutherford, New Jersey.
jordan holmes
Good luck.
dan friesen
Just like he sued the SPLC and showed up at their headquarters with a handheld boombox mic and Ali Alexander hanging out with him.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
Yeah.
It's all great.
Everything is cool.
Fuck that guy.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
Hate him.
jordan holmes
Hate him?
dan friesen
Anyway, I'm going to skip all his clips.
So this is going to be a shorter episode.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, I think everybody will appreciate that they don't have to sit through 20 minutes of us being like, Gavin McGinnis, not funny.
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't really have much commentary about him other than his positions suck, and I think he's just saying awful things in order to get a rise out of people.
So anyway, Alex has a news story to cover.
alex jones
Remember a month or so ago, the horrific footage of a...
Shop teacher wearing giant fake breasts and engaged in bizarre behavior in Ontario with the students.
Well, the school board rules to allow a male teacher to wear giant prosthetic breasts at school.
It's meant to make the whole system a joke and collapse.
dan friesen
I want to be clear about something.
I don't know enough about that whole story.
When it happened, I just saw people I don't care about complaining about it, and so I decided to sit out this one.
I don't know what the circumstances of this teacher are or anything, but Alex is lying.
The school board reviewed their standards to see if there was anything that they could do in terms of imposing a dress code and found that it could raise human rights concerns and also have implications in terms of labor rights and employment law.
But the board didn't make any position or change on this because they can't right now.
The superintendent of human resources for the school board, Sari Taha, said, quote, even if we are to consider a workplace rule in that sense, we can't do that.
This is because they're currently in the middle of collective bargaining, and the board isn't permitted to make rule changes in the middle of that process.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
dan friesen
They make a good point, though, that even a good-faith rule about dress code or grooming standards could easily end up being applied in a discriminatory fashion, but the larger point is that they're in collective bargaining, so they can't even consider a rule change.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Alex probably just saw a headline like the one in the National Post that says, quote, school board concludes it can't implement dress code after teacher wears giant fake breasts.
And then he wrote his own story about it without looking into it any further.
Sure.
unidentified
And realizing that the reason that the headline says that they concluded they can't implement a dress code is because they're in collective bargaining.
dan friesen
Right.
unidentified
But also, there is a decent chance that they might not, even if they weren't.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
No, I mean.
dan friesen
The reason they can't is because they can't.
jordan holmes
Right.
unidentified
They physically, in the universe we inhabit.
jordan holmes
They can't make any rule of change.
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So anyway...
I lied.
There's a third reason that this episode is short.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
Because Alex has another guest.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
alex jones
Well, Kit Hecken-Lively is our guest in the studio for The Balance of the Hour to talk about his book, bestseller, Presidential Takedown.
And also talk about the midterms, what we're witnessing.
He's an attorney, science teacher, and two-time New York Times bestseller.
He's best known as co-author of the Plague series, Plague, Plague, Corruption, and Ending Plague with Dr. Judy Mikovich.
jordan holmes
Great titles.
alex jones
And it just goes on from there.
We really appreciate him coming on with us today.
He didn't want to talk about this, but we're going to talk about it, because I told everybody.
I didn't just put this book together myself.
I sent him a ton of material.
We worked on it a lot.
We had to cut it down a lot.
We're probably going to write more books on it.
But he really helped me write The Great Reset and The War for the World, which has been often on the number one bestseller.
It's been the bestseller of the New York Times.
Ignored that.
You can find the book at Infowarsstore.com.
So, Ken, congratulations.
It's good to meet you in person.
I look forward to having you on many times.
dan friesen
I applaud Alex for giving a full disclosure on that, I guess.
But, yeah, he's the guy who...
Who wrote Alex's book.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
He's just a big old anti-vaxxer.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that sounds right.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So he has a large stretch of his career writing books with Judy Mikovits, the person who was behind Plandemic, that documentary, quote-unquote.
jordan holmes
Great.
dan friesen
And so he has a long career as a big-time anti-vaxxer.
And in 2017, he ended up being denied entry into Australia because of it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because they...
was just going to do a bunch of anti-vax rallies and they're like no yeah get out of here at that point he had branded himself quote the world's number one anti-vaxxer so he kind of gets rid of the arguments that he was trying to make when he was denied entry into australia that he was like just raising concerns and asking questions and stuff and also
When he was told he couldn't come, he sent a letter to the Australian government that was taunting Malcolm Turnbull, the prime minister.
Here's a passage from that.
jordan holmes
Love it.
dan friesen
Quote.
If you wish to greet me at the airport when I land, I would be amenable to such an effort.
Or, if you think our meetings should be at the Lodge, the primary residence of the Prime Minister, I would accept that as well.
After all, I will be a guest in your country.
Please don't make too much of a fuss over my efforts, but if you would like to give me an award in recognition of my work to liberate Australia from the grip of the pharmaceutical industry, I like the sound of the Order of Australia, Officer of the Order.
Maybe it's the imperialist in me, but it just sounds so regal.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I can't, I can't, you know, I like talking shit to governments too.
I can't argue with that.
That's pretty funny.
dan friesen
It is.
I don't know.
In another circumstance, it has a kind of Socrates-ish...
jordan holmes
Ah, you know, you're just poking your thumb in the eye of the government.
dan friesen
Taunting somebody who's saying you cannot do this thing with like, not only can I, you should award me for it.
jordan holmes
Yes, exactly.
Yeah, that's great.
That's good stuff.
He's a piece of shit, but that's solid stuff.
dan friesen
Yeah, his interview's boring, but he wrote Alex's book.
jordan holmes
Great.
Great.
dan friesen
I like the idea that they worked together.
Please.
jordan holmes
Well, we had a few Zoom interviews where I went, and he went, okay, I'll write that.
dan friesen
I'm working on a little coverage of his book, I will say.
And that...
jordan holmes
Alex's fingerprints are all over it.
dan friesen
Maybe some, like, idea things.
jordan holmes
No, I mean, he put his fingerprints on there because that confirms that he wrote it, right?
dan friesen
It's in, like, chocolate sauce.
jordan holmes
Exactly, yes.
Yes, they were like, yes, Alex did write this.
That's him signing the book at the end.
dan friesen
Oh, this one's Hershey's syrup.
unidentified
This one's chili.
dan friesen
Yeah, Alex didn't.
Some of the syntax in it, there's no way that Alex...
Alex doesn't know about whom.
Alex doesn't know about, like, dependent clauses.
This is no chance.
jordan holmes
Alex thinks Mitch McConnell's name has an apostrophe D at the end of it.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And Tulsi Gabbards.
jordan holmes
Tulsi Gabbards, yes.
dan friesen
He thinks that you're drowned.
jordan holmes
It's evil.
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But there are a couple points where I'm like, ooh, that's Alex.
He was on the phone for that one.
jordan holmes
Well, you gotta have some little, maybe he should have like little fun fact sections, you know?
Like let the guy write the book and then have Alex's little comments.
dan friesen
Yeah, that'd be good.
jordan holmes
Yeah, like in a little, like in a textbook, you know?
dan friesen
Also, I want to say this.
It's going to be a little while until I'm done with coverage of his book.
Sure.
And any fruit will be born from that very evil tree.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But I want to give a little bit of a short synopsis.
It sucks.
It's a bad book.
jordan holmes
It's a bad book.
dan friesen
Kent Hickenlooper did a terrible job.
jordan holmes
No, not a good...
dan friesen
I don't even think that's the name.
It's Kent Hickenlofe.
jordan holmes
Kent Hickenlofe.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
He did a bad job.
Also...
I don't think that he wanted people to know that he wrote the book, maybe, or something, because he's not acknowledged in any way until the back of the book and the thank yous.
It doesn't say it on the spine.
jordan holmes
It doesn't say Alex and.
It doesn't say ghost written by.
dan friesen
Nope.
In the acknowledgements at the beginning, there's no, like, it's nothing.
jordan holmes
Yeah, either he didn't want to have credit or...
Alex wanted to have all of the credit.
dan friesen
Or, yeah, Alex wanted most of it to look like him.
But then, why did he bring it up when Kent said...
Alex is saying that Kent said...
Ah, we don't need to talk about that.
jordan holmes
If Kent didn't want to be...
He didn't want to be associated with the book, why is he going on the show?
Although he's going on the show several...
Oh, yeah.
He's going on the show several weeks after that's...
dan friesen
Yeah.
The heat on Alex's book is gone.
jordan holmes
Right.
If he wanted to be part of the book, he would have been part of the heat part.
dan friesen
Right.
He has another book that he's promoting that is why he's on the show.
And he's also on the show because he did Alex a Solid and wrote his book for him.
Right.
Otherwise, I don't think this guy...
Even though he is the world's number one anti-vaxxer.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
If I...
dan friesen
Alex has never met him in person?
jordan holmes
From what I can understand, I am seeing that he was a far thinker and said, sure, I'll write your shitty book so that I can always promote my books later on.
dan friesen
Yeah, and I am pretty clear that your audience would be into the kind of dreck that I put out.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So anyway, good stuff.
Good stuff all around.
They're responding to the midterms quite well.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they're taking it like champs.
dan friesen
Oh, also, I forgot to mention this.
Hicken Lively also runs an outlet called Great Awakening Books, which might be a little signal to QAnon.
Yep, they also sell a bunch of QAnon books.
jordan holmes
I did like the part in The Great Reset, and I respected them for it.
In this one...
Unlike certain adaptations, they left Tom Bombadil in.
And that's what you want out of it.
You know, hey doll, dairy doll, ding dongadillo, man.
You've got to have that in your book.
If you don't, I'm pissed.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Frankly.
dan friesen
Take it up with the blaze.
So anyway, we come to the end of this.
And yeah, what a fuck.
unidentified
What a fucking deed.
dan friesen
I mean, look.
Between me wasting so much time on Google Maps and Gavin McGinnis being on the show.
jordan holmes
Unfair.
Unfair.
dan friesen
What an awful fuck.
jordan holmes
What can one man take?
dan friesen
Anyway, we'll be back with another episode.
But until then, we have a website.
jordan holmes
We do have a website.
It's knowledgefight.com.
dan friesen
Yep, we're also on Twitter.
jordan holmes
We are on Twitter.
It's at knowledge underscore fight.
dan friesen
Hey, we'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX Clark Abram.
Have you ever read the WikiLeaks?
Oh, shit!
steve quayle
And now here comes the sex robots.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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