Today, Dan and Jordan go through Day 2 of Alex's deposition in the Connecticut trial. In this installment, Alex continues to pretend to not really know Dan Bidondi, claims he has no idea what businesses he owns, and eventually resorts to doodling to self-soothe.
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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys. | |
| Knowledge fight. | ||
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Dan and Jordan. | |
| Knowledge fight. | ||
| Need money. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Stop it. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| It's time to pray. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding us. | ||
|
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a fifth time caller in my future. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan. | ||
|
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Jordan! | |
| We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Oh, indeed we are. | ||
| Dan. | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| Dan? | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| Quick question for you. | ||
| What's up? | ||
| What's your bright spot, buddy? | ||
| My bright spot today, Jordan, is, well, we're recording this on Tuesday, and that means that as we're recording, I don't have to be watching Alex's livestream that I am drawn to like a moth to a flame. | ||
| Nice. | ||
| No, but seriously, my bright spot is cereal again. | ||
| I have mentioned that I've been getting into cereals. | ||
| I'm in a cereal phase. | ||
| We've discussed cereals, yes. | ||
| And so there have been some that have been a little bit off the wall. | ||
| The Frosty cereal, the Wendy's Frosty cereal, for instance. | ||
|
unidentified
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I'm sorry, what? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| That was pretty good. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
|
unidentified
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Wow. | |
| Not bad. | ||
| That's amazing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There was, I think, a Frosted Flakes strawberry milkshake flavor. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| Not good. | ||
| Out of control. | ||
| Yeah, they've lost their minds. | ||
| Flavors are out of control. | ||
| Yeah, and so I got one that was a Trix. | ||
| But it's like, I guess sort of Jurassic Park themed or something, but it also has marshmallows. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So it's Trix, but with marshmallows. | ||
| That are also dinosaurs. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Dinosaur footprints or something. | ||
| Everybody is putting marshmallows in their cereal in a way that is inappropriate. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I'm waiting for like, I don't know. | ||
| Kicks to throw marshmallows in. | ||
| Or, uh, smacks. | ||
| Can't, can't, no! | ||
| Put marshmallows in smacks. | ||
| No, anybody puts a marshmallow in his smacks is gonna get a smack from me. | ||
| King of vitamin, but with, uh, marshmallows. | ||
| It's just constant. | ||
| It's, it's offensive on some levels. | ||
| They just won't... | ||
| Stop putting marshmallows in things. | ||
| Oh, we're going to walk through the granola aisle next week and there's going to be marshmallows and everything. | ||
| Yeah, you're probably right. | ||
| But I couldn't resist trying this. | ||
| And I'd forgotten that Trix sucks. | ||
| It's not a good cereal. | ||
| Even in that fruit sort of world. | ||
| Fruit Loops, much better. | ||
| Also, I was thinking about it as I was eating it. | ||
| I hate Trix. | ||
| Like, just as a whole. | ||
| I hate the idea of it. | ||
| It's an abusive serial. | ||
| The whole marketing campaign is about excluding this one rabbit. | ||
| I feel like you are accidentally proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that tricks are for kids. | ||
|
unidentified
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Right. | |
| Because you're an adult man and you find them wrong morally. | ||
| I find them not good to eat. | ||
| I find them not good to think about. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So fuck them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Tricks sucks. | ||
| Tricks aren't even for kids. | ||
|
unidentified
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Yeah. | |
| Making that pronouncement now. | ||
| Honeycomb, but with marshmallows. | ||
| Get the fuck out of here. | ||
| No, no, absolutely not. | ||
| So what's your bright spot? | ||
| My bright spot is I got to hang out and see my old friend Leah Berman last night. | ||
|
unidentified
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Oh. | |
| And we were talking and catching up. | ||
| At an open mic. | ||
| Catching up. | ||
| Yes, at an open mic. | ||
| Catching up. | ||
| Old timey style. | ||
| I found out two things. | ||
| One, Callie Clarkson has a TV show. | ||
|
unidentified
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Whoa. | |
| And two, Leah Berman was on it, baby. | ||
| I think I saw that on Twitter or something. | ||
|
unidentified
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Yeah. | |
| Maybe on Facebook. | ||
| I saw some stray post or something. | ||
| I was like, well, that's... | ||
| I mean, I already knew Callie Clarkson had a show. | ||
| I did not know that, but yeah. | ||
| But yeah, I saw that she and some other folks were on it. | ||
| Fantastic. | ||
|
unidentified
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Pretty cool. | |
| Hanging out with fucking Leno. | ||
|
unidentified
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Oh. | |
| He's 8,000 years old now. | ||
| I mean, his hair used to be salt and pepper. | ||
| And now his face is white. | ||
| You know, like the whole thing. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| It's all taken care of. | ||
| But isn't that really cool? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's really cool. | ||
| I was trying to think of a Kelly Clarkson song. | ||
| Leo was waiting for a moment like that. | ||
| Oh, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Who did Since You've Been Gone? | ||
| That was Kelly Clarkson. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I thought that was Weird Al. | ||
| No. | ||
| Behind These Hazel Eyes. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Another great song. | ||
| Here I am once again. | ||
| I'm torn into pieces. | ||
| Can't deny. | ||
| Can't pretend. | ||
| Just thought you were the one. | ||
| Broken up deep inside. | ||
|
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But you don't get to see the tears I cry. | |
| Behind These Hazel Eyes. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| That one? | ||
| That was Kelly Clarkson. | ||
| I've never intentionally listened to a Kelly Clarkson song before. | ||
| I don't hook up. | ||
| When did this happen? | ||
| When did your 90s hip-hop turn into 2000s regular pop? | ||
| They were concurrent. | ||
| I loved a lot of pop along with my hip-hop stuff. | ||
| Fun fact about Kelly Clarkson. | ||
| What's that? | ||
| For kids? | ||
| Yeah, I watched one episode of the first season of American Idol. | ||
| I turned it on, saw Kelly Clarkson, and I'm like, that's the winner, baby! | ||
| I was right. | ||
| That's nice. | ||
| That's always nice. | ||
| I think I... | ||
| I'm not sure. | ||
| I watched one episode of another season. | ||
| I think I might have called that one, too. | ||
| One of the later ones. | ||
| Did Bo Bice win his season? | ||
| I don't remember watching it, but yeah, Kelly Clarkson was clearly the person who had, like, that thing. | ||
| You know what it is. | ||
| That thing. | ||
| The star power. | ||
| The star quality. | ||
| The star quality, yes. | ||
| And Justin Guarini did not. | ||
| Did not have it. | ||
| And I saw it from Justin to Kelly. | ||
| So did I. Yep. | ||
| I think two or three times in the theater. | ||
| Well, you were working at the theater. | ||
|
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I almost jumped for a second. | |
| I also smoked a lot of weed back in the time. | ||
| I worked at a theater and I smoked a lot of weed. | ||
| So we maybe laughed our asses off at that. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| Anyway, Jordan, today we will be singing the greatest hits of the 90s and 2000s. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| We're taking a break from Alex. | ||
|
unidentified
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It's a bad time. | |
| I'm just going to acapella up. | ||
| No, today we're going to be finishing up some Alex's deposition stuff. | ||
|
unidentified
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Excellent. | |
| So we are back in the Connecticut depositions. | ||
| We're going to be talking about day two here. | ||
| We might do a wrap-up of day three and four. | ||
| There is some stuff in there, but this is enough for an episode, quite frankly. | ||
| So, last we left off, Alex was under oath. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Having to wrestle with the fact that he sent Dan Badondi to Newtown and was pretending that... | ||
| I don't know if I was connected to that at all. | ||
| Hey, when I saw his reporting, I thought it was terrible. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But then he was complimenting the reporting on air. | ||
| Overall summary, he did not have a good first day. | ||
| Like, you know, when you have a first day at a new job, you make some mistakes. | ||
| People are training you, but that's... | ||
| Par for the course, right? | ||
| So he's had his first day, he's really fucked it up, and now coming back for the second day to really buckle down and do his job, right? | ||
| Yeah, you know, like the first day he was off on a bad foot. | ||
|
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Sure! | |
| Second day he's coming in as Miss Independent. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Nailed it. | ||
| You sure did. | ||
| Before we get down to business on this, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks. | ||
| Oh, that's a great idea. | ||
| So first, Carl Barks, the policy chonk. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much! | ||
| Thank you! | ||
| Next, Mr. and Mrs. Deeningans. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much! | ||
| Thank you! | ||
| Next, Hey Rye Guy. | ||
| I'm a freaking policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much! | ||
| Thank you! | ||
| Next, Bent the Third Foot. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much! | ||
| Thank you! | ||
| And happy seven year anniversary to my wonky partner Natalie from Corn Dog. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk! | ||
| Thank you very much! | ||
| You know what the seventh anniversary is? | ||
| Gift-wise. | ||
| Is that the... | ||
| What is that? | ||
| The plastic university? | ||
| No, it's copper or wool. | ||
| Traditionally. | ||
| Did you know they also have a modern version of it? | ||
| They've got updated takes on this, so this is like a thumb drive anniversary? | ||
| It's close! | ||
| It's a desk set. | ||
| That's weird. | ||
| That is strange. | ||
| But that's coming off of last year's modern gift for the sixth anniversary. | ||
| Wood objects! | ||
| That's a general... | ||
| Yeah, that should be one of the traditional ones. | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| Because the fifth anniversary traditionally is wood. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Okay, now here's my problem. | ||
| Who is deciding this? | ||
| Well, the traditional ones, I think, have been, like, long time... | ||
| Sure, but what, like Ben Franklin? | ||
| Like Farmer's Almanac? | ||
|
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Is that what we're talking about? | |
| It wasn't Ben Franklin. | ||
| It was Ben Franklin. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And now, yeah, they have the modern one. | ||
| The modern ones are kind of dumb. | ||
| I think actually Desk Set is the fun. | ||
| We may have lucked out. | ||
| Seventh anniversary might be the best one in terms of being a bizarre gift. | ||
| That's disappointing. | ||
| I feel like it should be weird tech stuff as it goes on. | ||
| And if it's modern times, I think obviously your 20th anniversary is like the dildo anniversary where you're like, we're going to experiment. | ||
| It's been 20 years. | ||
| It's a weird anniversary. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| That's when it's time. | ||
| No, it's platinum. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| Unless you want to go traditional, then it's China. | ||
| Oh, I was going to say that one was dildos. | ||
| Also, gun to my head, I don't know what a desk set is. | ||
| It's a set of desks! | ||
| Multiple desks? | ||
| I would assume so. | ||
| For your employees. | ||
| It's a desk set for your employees. | ||
| We also have a technocrat in the mix, Jordan. | ||
| So Fra Paul supports a technocracy that keeps the human horror out of fish people's eyes. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a technocrat. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
|
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Four stars. | |
| Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. | ||
| Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. | ||
| Daddy Shark. | ||
| Bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp. | ||
| Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. | ||
|
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He's a loser little titty baby. | |
| I don't want to hate black people. | ||
| I renounce Jesus Christ! | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| So this takes place the next day. | ||
| I was incorrect. | ||
| They regroup for another catch-up for the deposition. | ||
| I believe it was day three after Alex had gone on vacation. | ||
| I got that mixed up. | ||
| I thought it was between day one and two. | ||
| But these are actually back-to-back days. | ||
| And I have a couple of out-of-context drops because I couldn't pick one. | ||
| So here's the first one. | ||
| I mean, you're a thoroughbred ambulance chaser. | ||
| I'd call you a vampire. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| All right. | ||
| What are you going to say to that? | ||
| What a fun weird resign just to hear something like that back in you and be like, all right. | ||
|
unidentified
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All right. | |
| Okay. | ||
| I guess I'm a thoroughbred ambulance chaser vampire. | ||
| I suppose that's who I am. | ||
| And here's the other one. | ||
| Have you read the WikiLeaks? | ||
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No. | |
| Wow, you really ought to. | ||
|
unidentified
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Bro, have you read the WikiLeaks? | |
| Oh, shit. | ||
| You have not... | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| Changed my life, man. | ||
| Oh, dude, you gotta read the WikiLeaks, man. | ||
| Yeah, it's just... | ||
| I mean, the structure of it, the characters. | ||
| Benicio Del Toro shows up, and you're like, that guy's great! | ||
| All right, so we start off sort of catching up from something that happened the day before, which, of course, was the Bloomberg email. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Alex had discussed this. | ||
| He did not have it. | ||
| They're bringing it today. | ||
| I thought maybe, but it turns out he didn't do anything. | ||
| Mr. Jones, do you recall during your testimony yesterday you repeatedly referenced an email that you claimed Mike Bloomberg had sent the day before the Sandy Hook shooting telling people to get ready? | ||
| I meant like one of the gun control groups he was finding, yes. | ||
| Can you recall that email, though, that you were talking about? | ||
| I vaguely recall talking about it. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And did you do anything last night to locate that email? | ||
| No, I didn't. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And do you recall testifying yesterday and seeing videos of yourself claiming that you had records and emails showing that the San Diego school was closed prior to the shooting? | ||
| I said I'd seen articles and I believe some type of analytics, but I can't remember the exact thing. | ||
| In fact, I'd like to correct something. | ||
| Hold on a second. | ||
| I didn't ask you about that. | ||
| Your attorney, by the way, is going to have a chance to ask you any questions, okay? | ||
| If you need to correct anything, I'm sure you can talk to them about that. | ||
| I'm asking you specifically about the records and emails you claimed that you had showing that Sandy Hook Elementary School was closed prior to the shooting. | ||
| Did you do anything to locate either those emails or those records that you referenced yesterday? | ||
| No, I didn't. | ||
|
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Okay. | |
| I didn't get home until about 7. I was exhausted. | ||
| That's 6 Central, right? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And that's where your team is in Texas, right? | ||
|
unidentified
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Yes. | |
| You could have called them, right? | ||
| No, they go home by about six. | ||
| Well, you had time to make a video yesterday about your deposition, didn't you? | ||
| I did, right after 11. And so you had time to do that, but you didn't have time to go and look at these records and emails showing that the Sandy Hook School was closed. | ||
| I shot a video in the parking lot of the hotel, that's right. | ||
| And then you arranged for that to be spliced and broadcast on your website, right? | ||
|
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Objection. | |
| I don't think they call it splicing. | ||
| This is just like a guy falling down a hill and hitting every rock on the way down. | ||
| Excuses like, I was so tired, it was at 7. Is it 6 central? | ||
| Yeah, I guess it is. | ||
| That's what your team is, right? | ||
| They could have looked it up. | ||
| They all went home. | ||
| You had time to shoot a video, didn't you? | ||
| Yeah, I guess I did. | ||
| And then they edited it together. | ||
| Ah, right. | ||
| They don't call it splicing. | ||
| I appreciated his commitment to not letting up. | ||
| Like, not one second is it just gonna be fine. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| You explain every moment of your day yesterday, and when you lie to me, I'm gonna tell you what I saw. | ||
| I was there! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If you're Alex, you can't relent. | ||
| Question one. | ||
| You know, right here, you can't get on your back foot because then if you do, the whole rest of the day is shot. | ||
| You open up kicking his ass and then he knows I'm not going to have a good day. | ||
| So Alex, he needed to splice that video together because he had two camera people with him. | ||
| You had two cameramen shooting that video you did yesterday? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Who were they? | ||
| It was Rob Dew, and it was Reese. | ||
| Again, I have trouble pronouncing his last name. | ||
| Why'd you bring Rob Dew with you? | ||
| He's a consultant, and he just goes on trips sometimes with us. | ||
| Rob Dew was another one of your employees who claimed that Sandy Hook was a hoax, correct? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And so you could ask Rob Dew about those emails and records showing that the school was closed, right? | ||
| Sure seems like it. | ||
| Did you ask him? | ||
|
unidentified
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No. | |
| Okay. | ||
| You didn't make any efforts at all to get those records and emails yesterday, right? | ||
| I actually did a little bit myself. | ||
| We were able to find some of the stuff you asked for, but not that particular thing. | ||
| Are you claiming that you yourself personally did something to locate the emails and records showing that San Diego School was closed? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| What did you personally do? | ||
| I sat there at dinner. | ||
| With Rob, and I said we've got to try to locate that. | ||
| We did some online poking around, couldn't find it, like the last time we tried. | ||
|
unidentified
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Okay. | |
| Yeah, that's quite a bit of work he did. | ||
| I sat there at dinner, and I told Rob, let's do this. | ||
| Rob, we've got to get this done, buddy. | ||
| This has got to happen. | ||
| All right. | ||
| It's fascinating to see this kind of, like, the way he's articulating this, because he didn't... | ||
| Put any effort into finding it because he knows that this doesn't exist. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Isn't a real thing. | ||
| And so why waste your time with that? | ||
| He still has to pretend like, oh yeah, we put in some work to try to find it. | ||
| It's a real thing. | ||
| Right. | ||
|
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Totally. | |
| It's real. | ||
| We just can't find it. | ||
| It is a bit like, you know that his childhood was different because I remember if I was trying to lie about how I didn't do something to like a second grade teacher. | ||
| They saw me coming a mile away because I was seven years old, right? | ||
| And he is still seven years old, and somehow he's just going to keep going. | ||
| You know, like when I was trying to lie in second grade, eventually I'd be like, you know what? | ||
| You got me. | ||
| Yeah, well, I think a teacher has a little bit more limited time than someone who has all day in the deposition. | ||
| That's definitely true. | ||
| I'm going to let you spin those wheels. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Because you're going to end up saying something that contradicts yourself. | ||
| You went from teacher to principal to psychiatrist. | ||
| So, we know that Rob Dew, long for the trip. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Rob Dew's uncle also was in Newtown for that Wolfgang Halbig press conference that Dan Badandi went to. | ||
| Alex is asked whether or not he actually spoke to Rob Dew's uncle, and it's weird. | ||
| He seems to not know for sure. | ||
| How can you not know? | ||
|
unidentified
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I don't know. | |
| I wanted to go back to the video that we looked at yesterday. | ||
| Kind of towards the end of the day. | ||
| The video that you titled, Retired FBI Agent Investigates Sandy Hook, Mega Massive Cover-Up. | ||
| You remember that? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And that retired FBI agent was John Duke, correct? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| You've never spoken to the man, right? | ||
| I may have talked to him on the phone before. | ||
| Your testimony is you don't know whether he's on the phone? | ||
| I don't remember. | ||
|
unidentified
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Okay. | |
| You have any idea what, if anything, he did to investigate Sandy Hook other than showing up at that Freedom of Information Commission hearing, correct? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And you've had no further conversations with Rob Dew about what his uncle may or may not have done related to Sandy Hook? | ||
| I have had conversations with him. | ||
| You have? | ||
| When were those conversations? | ||
| Over the years, and again last night, I was asking him about, hey, we ought to try to talk to him about what he said. | ||
| And I kind of asked him more about what specifically he said. | ||
| Just basically repeat the same thing. | ||
| That he'd never seen government people so tight-lipped and so unwilling to talk about anything. | ||
| This is what Rob Dew said to you last night that his uncle had said to him. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Same thing I said before. | ||
| And how recently had Rob Dew spoken to his uncle about it? | ||
|
unidentified
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As of today. | |
| Okay. | ||
| How recently did Rob Doola speak to his uncle? | ||
| He actually said he recently talked to him. | ||
| About Sandy Hook? | ||
| No, he just said, "Oh yeah, I just talked to him the other day. | ||
| He's doing great." Okay. | ||
| Did he indicate that my office had reached out to his uncle? | ||
| No. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So that Rob Doola didn't share with you? | ||
| No, I said, how is your uncle? | ||
| He said, he's fine. | ||
| I talked to him the other day. | ||
| So if you're Alex, you've got to be a little bit confused by that, because Matty is saying that they reached out to Rob Dew's uncle, and this wasn't communicated by Rob to Alex. | ||
|
unidentified
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Right. | |
| Now, this could mean that the plaintiff's office had spoken to Uncle Dew. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Or it could mean that Uncle Do is avoiding them, and Alex should probably say, I don't know, he hasn't talked to him in a while, I have no information about this. | ||
| Either prospect isn't really great, sort of optically here. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Especially when you add to it the, like, what we heard on our last episode about this, Alex's dad dodging subpoenas. | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| There seems to be a pattern of people just being like, I don't want to talk to these guys. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Not coming in. | ||
| No, I mean, of course I can't remember the last time I talked to Rob Dew's uncle, because last night I said, hey, guys, let's pretend he doesn't exist and get him out of the country. | ||
| You can't talk to anybody. | ||
| Why would I tell you that I'm committing witness tampering? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Rob Dew's uncle, actually, he only speaks Klingon now, so I'm not going to be able to... | ||
| Listen, hey. | ||
| We're the ones who are really hurt by him only speaking Klingon. | ||
| Remember the last time we got together for a family dinner? | ||
| Didn't understand a word of what he's saying. | ||
| So you think you're mad. | ||
| So a lot of the questions, obviously, towards the end of day one had to do with Dan Badondi. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because, you know, the Kraken is really central to a lot of this. | ||
| Yeah, he was, yeah. | ||
| And so this is explored a little bit more here. | ||
| Well, let's get into some of the dynamics of how Badandi was doing what he did. | ||
| And then the next month, in July of 2015, you sent Mr. Badandi up there again to be with Mr. Halbig, right? | ||
| I mean, I know he went up there some. | ||
| I don't remember when or how. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But I'm saying, you know that after that June hearing that we saw yesterday, you then sent him up to Connecticut again to report for Infowars, correct? | ||
| I don't remember. | ||
| You gonna refresh my memory? | ||
| So, to clarify just really quick, the hearing month prior that is being referred to is the one where Rob Dew's uncle was there and where Badandi was yelling at people and Alex, in day one of his testimony, said, I saw that and fuck this. | ||
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Right. | |
| You know, like I was offended by this. | ||
| Totally, totally. | ||
| No more. | ||
| So this is a month after that. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| Why don't we pull up exhibit number 38? | ||
| You see this email from Rob Dew to Dan Badandi sent July 8, 2015? | ||
| Yes, let me read it. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So you can tell from this email, can you not, that Mr. Dew was actually telling Dan Badandi. | ||
| There is more. | ||
| There is more. | ||
| Yeah, would you like to see the rest? | ||
| After good luck, Dew. | ||
| Go ahead. | ||
| Yeah, I see it. | ||
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Thank you. | |
| Okay. | ||
| So you see there Mr. Dew. | ||
| Telling Dan Badandi to livestream his coverage of the Halbig hearing to the Alex Jones channel. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| And, of course, Mr. Badandi would not have any authority to livestream to one of your YouTube channels unless he was reporting for Infowars, right? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I mean, I told you I don't remember when and how I was following this. | ||
| Rob was running it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Well, you're Rob's boss, are you not? | ||
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Yes. | |
| And we just saw... | ||
| I'm not putting any responsibility off on it, Rob. | ||
| I'm just telling you, I don't remember all this. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| But at least we can agree, having seen this email, that as of this time, Mr. Badandi was still working as a reporter for Infowork. | ||
| If you showed me this yesterday, I would have said that then. | ||
| Yes, here it is. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| I now cannot deny this. | ||
| I was going to say. | ||
| It showed very clearly to me, so now I can answer that question because there is no way out for me. | ||
| I do feel like at dinner we've clearly discussed a strategy of skipping from the, like, I'll just deny something and then watch them play the video to Alex being like, I don't remember. | ||
| Are you going to play the video now? | ||
| There are a couple points where he does that, but he does have the same, like... | ||
| He's still Alex. | ||
| There were a couple times where it's like, Maddie is using... | ||
| Very specific terms. | ||
| And if you're Alex and you hear those terms, and the way the question's being phrased, it's like, I'm just about to get hit with the video of me saying that. | ||
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Totally. | |
| I know it's coming. | ||
| But he doesn't seem to see it coming sometimes. | ||
| I mean, nobody else sounds like him when you ask... | ||
| So if you ask him, did you say something like, crazy aliens are coming to kill everybody? | ||
| And he's like, never heard of that. | ||
| Well, then obviously you're going to play the clip of him saying crazy aliens are coming to kill everybody. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| You just can't smell those traps sometimes. | ||
| So Alex tries to play a little wiggle game here with Badandi and the timing of firing him. | ||
| It just does not work. | ||
| Of course not. | ||
| You authorized Badandi to go up there on your behalf. | ||
| Earlier, I guess I did. | ||
| And Rob Dew, your news director, did here, right? | ||
| All I know is that sometime I saw him yelling at people, and I said, that's horrible, and I don't like that, and tell him stop. | ||
| And I don't want to use them anymore. | ||
| And that's what I remember. | ||
| And I remember, though, that a few times I'm like, why is Benandi back doing reporting? | ||
| And they're like, well, he's doing better or whatever. | ||
| And that's my vague memory. | ||
| And I'm being honest with you. | ||
| And so that's what I remember. | ||
| I just want to make sure I understand this. | ||
| You seem to be saying, on the one hand, you're speculating. | ||
| On the other hand, you know, you have a vague memory of it. | ||
| I don't remember exactly when. | ||
| Let me finish my question. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Because I think you're anticipating me and I appreciate it. | ||
| I take it that your testimony is that although at some point you believe you instructed people who work for you that Dambadandi should no longer be used, you don't know when you did that. | ||
| Is that fair? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And you don't know why you did that. | ||
| No, I do. | ||
| I told you it's because of what he was doing. | ||
| And that's what Rob said last night. | ||
| I said, when did I say stop using him? | ||
| And he said, when he went to those events and yelled at the people. | ||
| That's what he remembers as well. | ||
| I know you're going to talk to him. | ||
| He can tell you about it. | ||
| But that's the best I remember. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Rob knew at dinner. | ||
| He backed me up. | ||
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He said exactly the same thing that I'm saying here. | |
| I do like all the documents and all the evidence has gone for Alex to just being like. | ||
| Rob Dew agreed with me. | ||
| At dinner last night? | ||
| Yeah, that's... | ||
| Do you need more proof? | ||
| You know, in my culture, dinner is sworn testimony. | ||
| That does sound true. | ||
| In the patriot community, you cannot lie at dinner. | ||
| You break bread with the man, you share salt, you cannot lie to him. | ||
| How do you not know this? | ||
| Well, case closed. | ||
| So Alex seems to be trying to... | ||
| I don't know if it's intentional or if he just doesn't understand. | ||
| The video that was streamed on Alex's channel was the second time, which is after the video of Badonda yelling at people. | ||
| Alex seems to want to make it the first one. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because it looks better. | ||
| Yeah, it looks way better. | ||
| It looks less guilty. | ||
| Yeah, several years difference between the two does not look good. | ||
| And so Matty is trying to explain to him, this is the second one. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I don't know if Alex is picking up on it. | ||
| We have text messages that I'm going to show you shortly. | ||
| In 2016, in which your staff is, at that time, telling Dan Badandi that he should no longer represent himself as an InfoWars reporter. | ||
| In 2016. | ||
| I know it went on for a while. | ||
| Well, it seems as though you had the footage from a month before this hearing in July, in which Mr. Badandi was accosting people. | ||
| And a month later... | ||
| He had permission to live stream a similar hearing over your YouTube channel. | ||
| So it probably wasn't after you saw that footage, right? | ||
| No, I remember getting upset that he still kept popping up. | ||
| And then I remember Rob saying, he's not officially working with us now. | ||
| You know, it was just basically feeling sorry for him. | ||
| It's not good. | ||
| I've already said that. | ||
| You gave Dan Bedondi access to livestream material to millions of people over your YouTube channel because you felt sorry for him? | ||
| By this time, if memory serves, like, I'd like to correct something. | ||
| Like yesterday, I said I thought Rob knew into that event. | ||
| That's how my memory's all messed up on this. | ||
| Well, maybe you shouldn't testify under oath if your memory's all messed up. | ||
| So, Alex is trying to sort of change the subject by being like, I need to correct something that I said about Rob being there. | ||
| No, no, no, totally. | ||
| I understand. | ||
| Which is a good tactic. | ||
| I think if you're sitting there and, you know, I think that every lawyer kind of has different things. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And if I had said something and Maddie responded with, well, I'd be fucked. | ||
| Yeah, I'd run. | ||
| I'd be so scared. | ||
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I'd run. | |
| I'd run. | ||
| All right, all right. | ||
| Put the handcuffs on. | ||
| Well? | ||
| I do like the explanation of their business practice. | ||
| It's exactly like banks, you know? | ||
| You know how when you fire a bank teller, they have to run the bank for a day before they can leave? | ||
| It makes perfect sense. | ||
| Because you feel bad for them firing. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
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A couple months later, a year later, they just show back up. | |
| You get a couple hours to show up and be like, hey, this bank is cool. | ||
| Yeah, that's the way you do it. | ||
| Buy! | ||
| That's what they do. | ||
| Very weird. | ||
| So we get to talking a little bit about Alex's payment and how much money he made in certain years. | ||
| And so the year 2015 comes up, and here's Alex's monetary situation. | ||
| Now, in 2015, you yourself had another good year. | ||
| You drew $8.3 million in compensation from your company, right? | ||
| I need to see the document. | ||
| Let's pull up Exhibit 25. Looking at 2015, do you see your draw in 2015 was $8.3 million? | ||
| Yes, thank you. | ||
| And you took a salary on top of that of $97,000, right? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| All right. | ||
| And then in addition to that, you received a distribution as a result of your interest in PLJR, correct? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
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Okay. | |
| We talked a little bit about PLJR yesterday. | ||
| Your testimony yesterday was you weren't quite sure what it was. | ||
| But let me ask you a few more questions about that. | ||
| So there will be some questions about this, but just sort of the brief version of it is... | ||
| Free Speech Systems is the parent company that InfoWars is actually. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Free Speech Systems is the name of the actual company, presumably. | ||
| It's where you incorporate, yes. | ||
| Yeah, and so they sell supplements that are sold from PQPR, which is owned by Alex and his parents. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Then PLJR is another company on top of that that owns PQPR, and it's owned by Alex and his mom. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And then there's AEJ Trust, which has a large interest holding in PLJR. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Basically, all of it is just the sort of nesting doll thing, but all just businesses Alex and his family are. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| So that's the dynamic, sort of the brief version of it. | ||
| It is like the dumbest way of doing a Cayman Islands tax dodge or something. | ||
| Because it feels like you're doing this to hide who owns it, but it took like five minutes to be like, oh, well, you own this, and you own this, and the owners of this. | ||
| AEJ Trust, buddy! | ||
| Yeah, it's your initials. | ||
| Dude! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You might as well have called it Thick Neck Texan, LLC. | ||
| It is like, oh, you know, we found out that... | ||
| We found all of Ceausescu's money because it was his initials on the goddamn account. | ||
| I just imagine him going to his account and being like, give me a Swiss bank account. | ||
| Those aren't what you think they are. | ||
| Dude, that's not how this works. | ||
| So, there's a... | ||
| Put my money where the Nazi gold is. | ||
| So Alex has an accountant named Lydia Hernandez, and she is somebody who is kind of an all-purpose player at InfoWars. | ||
| She handled a lot of different things throughout quite a stretch of their business time. | ||
| An email from her comes up as it relates to PLJR, and it's so weird how Alex seems very reluctant to praise her. | ||
| Do you see this email? | ||
| father, Dr. Jones. | ||
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You see that? | |
| Yes. | ||
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She says, Dr. Jones, I printed out some of the reports and placed them on your desk in an envelope marked personal and confidential. | |
| And you see that attached to this email is a spreadsheet titled 2015 to Current Distribution Yes. | ||
| Free speech systems accountant, correct? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| She also had a number of other jobs. | ||
| She did some HR work, right, for you? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| She was kind of an all-around troubleshooter, correct? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| One of the best you ever had. | ||
| I mean, she was a nice lady. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, you've called her amazing, right? | ||
| I don't remember that. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| What? | ||
| You'd agree with it? | ||
| She's a nice lady. | ||
| What? | ||
| Is there some reason you don't want to acknowledge that at some point at least you thought that she was an amazing employee? | ||
| I think she's a very nice lady. | ||
| That's what I just said. | ||
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All right. | |
| She's a nice lady. | ||
| I genuinely don't know why or how or what. | ||
| I don't want to say that she's really competent and good as an accountant in case I need to throw her under a bus later. | ||
| Doesn't that seem like that's what he's doing? | ||
| Yeah, I don't know exactly where these questions are going, and I might have to say bad things about her. | ||
| If you're asking me to confirm that I think she's amazing, that suggests to me that there's some sort of crime that I need to... | ||
| Blame on her. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And it seems like since she's come up, this is going to be a great opportunity to bust through. | ||
| Yeah, totally. | ||
| But I can walk it back if I just say she's a nice lady. | ||
| She's a nice lady. | ||
| I told you she was a nice lady earlier. | ||
| Criminal as the day is long, but a nice lady. | ||
| Criminals can be nice. | ||
| Everybody knows that. | ||
| Con men are nice. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| So Alex doesn't know anything about any of these numbers, and he resents the insinuation that he does. | ||
| And we're going to go to the tab of this spreadsheet that says distribution. | ||
| And do you see here, Mr. Jones, on column A, it lists 2015. | ||
| And then in column C, it shows dates of distributions paid out of QPR. | ||
| Do you see that? | ||
| All right. | ||
| And those distributions went to... | ||
| Two other entities, JLJR and PLJR, correct? | ||
| I think so. | ||
| I mean, are you familiar with this distribution scheme you have here where PQPR is making distributions of its proceeds to two corporate entities, one of which you control? | ||
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Objection as to form. | |
| I mean, I don't really follow all this. | ||
| The accountants and the CPA do it, so. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| That seems just impossible to believe. | ||
| You know, like most business owners, he's not really interested in whether or not there's money here or there. | ||
| That's somebody else's problem. | ||
| He texts Tim Fruget every day asking for sales numbers. | ||
| Sure, sure! | ||
| But he's not really all that interested in the business. | ||
| It's not about the money. | ||
| In fact, he has no idea what these companies even are. | ||
| Uh-uh. | ||
| Like, if he... | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| If that were true, which it's not, if it were true, he would be the perfect mark. | ||
| You could just take him for everything. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| It would be so easy. | ||
| If he had no idea what all of this structure existed for, holy shit. | ||
| I mean, frankly, if this were true, then Lydia Hernandez should have taken several hundred million dollars from him. | ||
| She could have. | ||
| Would not have been difficult. | ||
| Yeah, nice lady, though. | ||
| I put it in LH Trust, so you don't have no... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think that if Alex didn't actually understand any of this or didn't know any of this, and this lawsuit was going on and his lawyers were meeting with him, it would be an emergency. | ||
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Totally. | |
| It would be like, Alex, do you understand that this is set up, and it wouldn't all be set up entirely to the exact perfect structure for him to be sneaky. | ||
| But anyway, he's so confused. | ||
| He doesn't know anything. | ||
| Never heard of it. | ||
| I don't even know what numbers are. | ||
| What are numbers? | ||
| But as you look at this spreadsheet, you'll see that, according to this, the distributions from PQPR, and that's the company, That you claim sells the supplements on your website, right? | ||
| That JLJR has two members, David and Carol, right? | ||
| Those are your parents. | ||
| And PLJR has two members, Alex and Carol. | ||
| That's you and your mom, right? | ||
| And you have a 90%... | ||
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Objection to performance. | |
| The timing matters. | ||
| Okay, well, I'm talking about 2015 here, okay? | ||
| In 2016, because that's reflected on this as well. | ||
| So we're talking about 2015 and 2016. | ||
| And according to this spreadsheet, as a result of your 90% interest in PLJR, you received in 2015 80% of the total of PQPR distributions of $3.4 million, right? | ||
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Objection. | |
| All right. | ||
| And so that's 3.4 million distribution on top of the 8.3 million that you drew down from free speech systems, right? | ||
| I'm not the accountant because some of it pays the other thing. | ||
| I'm sorry, what? | ||
| Some of it pays the other thing. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| This spreadsheet, you don't see anything on here about advertising, right? | ||
| I don't understand all these numbers. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I don't know numbers. | ||
| Baffled. | ||
| I made like $12 million, but I don't know anything about anything. | ||
| It was an accident. | ||
| Honestly, I just... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I fucked around and accidentally made over $10 million. | ||
| Who among us hasn't tripped and fallen into several hundred pounds of money? | ||
| I mean, it's silly. | ||
| It's silly. | ||
| We've all been there. | ||
| Dark alley, you trip, there's a bag filled with money. | ||
| Nothing you can do. | ||
| Happens to the best and worst. | ||
| Oh, totally. | ||
| So, in your mind... | ||
| When you think of the common man, who do you think of? | ||
| What comes to mind for you? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I just think it's on average everybody makes about $10 million a year. | ||
| I think Alex is the common man. | ||
| I think he represents the everyman, right? | ||
| It's fascinating that you say that because Alex thinks that too. | ||
| I noticed in your video yesterday that you posted about this deposition that you told and which you later published on your website that you told your audience that you're a common man, right? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And you said that Connecticut is really a bedroom community for all the richest people in New York, right? | ||
| Yeah, billionaires and people like Larry Think and folks that have robbed the country for trillions, yeah. | ||
| But you're the common man, right? | ||
| Yeah, I am the common man. | ||
| Where did you fly into from Texas? | ||
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I forget the airport. | |
| It wasn't Kennedy or LaGuardia or Bradley? | ||
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I don't remember. | |
| Did you fly commercial? | ||
| No, I flew in a private plane. | ||
| Private plane? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Because I also saw in your video that you put out yesterday that you were kind of saying you've never seen so many private planes in your life when you landed, right? | ||
| But you were in one of them, weren't you? | ||
| Yeah, I've told my listeners I've flown on small private planes before. | ||
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Oh my God. | |
| And one of the reasons you're able to fly on small private planes is because you earned over $11 million in 2015, right? | ||
| A million cents, correct? | ||
| No, that's not why. | ||
| That was used to buy my ex-wife out of the business. | ||
| That's why we had to do that. | ||
| That was for that. | ||
| Oh, Mr. Jones, you just finished testifying that you have no idea what these numbers are. | ||
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But now you want to tell me that this has to do with a payout to your wife objection. | |
| There's nothing wrong with people making money. | ||
| No, there isn't. | ||
| You're right. | ||
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Oof. | |
| Oof, oof, oof. | ||
| That's rough. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| Every time, he's like, no, if I offer up this information... | ||
| It will make more sense. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| This is exculpatory. | ||
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Ah. | |
| I've figured out. | ||
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Oh. | |
| Well, see, that is kind of one of the things that's really interesting if you watch these depositions is you really do get a sense that one of Alex's just innate traits that he cannot stop himself from is trying to make explanations for things. | ||
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Totally. | |
| He's trying constantly to wiggle around and find the way that this works out in his best interest. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| money was I don't know anything about this right then he comes up with like oh wait I had to buy my wife out of the business that's why there's so much money totally and so he offers that up not realizing this contradicts What he had said previously, and it doesn't really help. | ||
| It raises more questions than it answers, but he can't stop himself. | ||
| We're going to see a grotesque example of that towards the end of this episode, but it's just his psychology. | ||
| It is like those shows or the cop shows where there's the criminal mastermind who's also a psychopath who can just get on the witness stand and he'll just charge. | ||
| It is kind of funny because they never choose a really incompetent psychopath who lost a billion dollars. | ||
| Well, we just saw it. | ||
| Exactly, that's what I'm saying. | ||
| We just saw Alex in the Connecticut case. | ||
| He probably thought that's who he was. | ||
| That's what he thinks! | ||
| He's like, I can get my way out of anything. | ||
| I can call this a struggle session and then everything will be fine. | ||
| It's amazing. | ||
| It is amazing the insanity required. | ||
| So in the course of the trial itself, we learned that the Bitcoin donations that Alex got, the millions, went straight to his own wallet. | ||
| It wasn't a business wallet. | ||
| Granted, it's a Save InfoWars type advertising. | ||
| And of course, Alex says that all that money went to the legal defense funds. | ||
| Of course it did. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| Maybe it did, maybe it didn't. | ||
| But asking some of these questions about other donations and such that go to the Legal Defense Fund, that looks a little bit wishy-washy. | ||
| A little cagey about that one. | ||
| Yeah, a little bit. | ||
| You've separately raised money from your audience for your own, what you claim is the defense of Infowars, right? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And people can give to that. | ||
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Is there a specific link for that, for the Infowars Legal Defense? | |
| There's a website. | ||
| There's a specific website? | ||
| And when people give through that website, where does it go? | ||
| It is put in an account and accounted for as an account. | ||
| It's a free speech systems account. | ||
| It's accounted for as an account. | ||
| Who set it up? | ||
| Say Lydia. | ||
| Throw her under the bus. | ||
| Come on, man. | ||
| Legal count, and then one goes to Ted, and the other one went, and that's put in the ledger as that. | ||
| And then last time I checked, I think it's been spent on legal. | ||
| When was the last time you checked? | ||
| I checked it last week. | ||
| Okay, and your sworn testimony here is that every penny that was deposited into the account you just described for me went to your lawyers. | ||
| I went to Wendy's. | ||
| I mean, I can't. | ||
| I haven't done all the accounting myself, but that's my general belief, and that's what the money's for. | ||
| And there's also a link on your website just for people to donate, right? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And that money just goes right into the Free Speed Systems General Fund, right? | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| It goes into the war fund. | ||
| The war fund? | ||
| Are you at war with somebody? | ||
| Yeah, with the globalists and all their crime syndicates. | ||
| Okay. | ||
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Okay. | |
| All right. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| All right. | ||
| It sounds better on his show. | ||
| It really does. | ||
| There aren't too many sarcastic... | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Good for you, boy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Just the notion of having a war chest or a war fund is silly outside of the context of his performances. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| In a deposition, you're like, you understand that we're human beings in the world and not fictional, we're fighting a war situation. | ||
| With demons and such. | ||
| It's just us. | ||
| You and me. | ||
| Real people. | ||
| I'm just trying to get answers about your shitty actions. | ||
| Yep, yep. | ||
| You're a piece of shit. | ||
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Yep. | |
| So the question comes up. | ||
| Alex is at war with these globalists. | ||
| Naturally. | ||
| Who are the globalists? | ||
| Well, are the parents of these children... | ||
| Ooh, that's gonna be a nasty question. | ||
| ...are the family members of Sandy Hook victims globalists? | ||
| Nasty. | ||
| Are my clients globalists? | ||
| No, but most Sandy Hook parents... | ||
| The ones you have, you're using them. | ||
| And HBO and the New York Times, this whole globalist conglomerate to try to silence populist voices and dissent. | ||
| And so they're just being used as pawns by you. | ||
| So the Sandy Hook families that have decided to sue you are just pawns in a much larger battle, is that what you're saying? | ||
| I'm not going to speak for them. | ||
| In my view, they're being used by you and Senator Blumenthal and others as pawns. | ||
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Okay. | |
| By me, their lawyer. | ||
| I mean, you're a well-known... | ||
| Ambulance chaser, Democrat, anti-free speech, anti-gun, tyrant. | ||
| Okay, right. | ||
| So I'm a tyrant, and so I need to be stopped, right? | ||
| Well, I mean, people understand that America is going to stand firm against the bullying, the censorship, the delisting, the debanking, and all of it, and we're never going to stop resisting. | ||
| But you just referred to me, the family's lawyer, as a tyrant. | ||
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That's right. | |
| You referred to me yesterday. | ||
| As filing fraudulent documents on purpose about financials. | ||
| What I advised you was that the judge had found that. | ||
| And it's ridiculous. | ||
| All these documents... | ||
| Norm a couple times was like, just stop it. | ||
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Alex, stop it. | |
| Shut the fuck up. | ||
| There's no reason to be talking right now. | ||
| I swear, listening to some of this, if this was available to the jury... | ||
| I think that a billion is lucky. | ||
| I know. | ||
| He's so lucky. | ||
| This is so bad. | ||
| It is kind of like, I understand why we had to have a trial with a jury there, and we did the whole thing, and it was very satisfying. | ||
| But there is a part of me that's like, you could have just played the deposition for the jurors, and they'd have been like, one billion, let's get out of here. | ||
| But I think they may have had access to it in the chambers. | ||
| Yeah, in the chamber room, but it's four days of depositions, you know? | ||
| They didn't watch, obviously, they didn't watch four days of deposition. | ||
| Yeah, but they also had the transcripts. | ||
| True, true. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Listening to this, it's really, it's bad. | ||
| I will say. | ||
| I mean, he's just, they're pawns, you're a tyrant. | ||
| Oh, totally, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I will say, if they skimmed it, they would have gotten more than enough. | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| I don't think anybody needs to... | ||
| Well, there's some masochists in our audience who have now decided they want to watch long-form depositions, but other than me, I don't know if anybody needs to subject themselves to this. | ||
| We gotta play a game with these depositions where we just fast-forward and then click play on a certain spot and just see what the next ten seconds are. | ||
| Some of it might, that might be fruitful. | ||
| There are, I mean, look, there are long stretches where it's a lot of the same stuff that we've heard and talked about a bunch of times before. | ||
| Like, there's a long stretch in this episode, or this deposition, about, you know, all the various anomalies, in quotes, and we've talked about that a hundred times. | ||
| It's just basically him, Maddie, pointing out to Alex, hey, this was wrong. | ||
| Right. | ||
| This is wrong. | ||
| If you just randomly dropped in, it could be that. | ||
| Or it could be gold. | ||
| You never know. | ||
| It is him. | ||
| I do think that in his mind, calling them ambulance chasers is a good thing because it draws the image of the lawyer who's got somebody with the head bandage and the arm in a sling that's actually fine. | ||
| And I get that. | ||
| But that's kind of the problem here. | ||
| A lot of the times, that ambulance chaser does have to be using somebody who doesn't really have that much of a problem. | ||
| We've never been like, ah, that ambulance chaser representing the families of victims of the children of one of the worst massacres in the history of the United States. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| That's a little bit different. | ||
| If you say ambulance chaser there, it makes you look like a... | ||
| Piece of shit! | ||
| It's embedded in there in a way that Alex I don't think recognizes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But there's also, like, it's just, like, shifting the accusation onto the lawyer is really just the way that Alex is trying to take... | ||
| He's trying to deny it without denying it. | ||
| Well, more or less, yeah. | ||
| And trying to take agency away from the parents while attacking them. | ||
| It's like, all of this sucks, all of this is fake, but oh, the poor parents, they're being misled by these lawyers. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Which makes no sense. | ||
| No. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No. | ||
| And it's shitty. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So... | ||
| The discussion of the child exploitation material that was in the emails that got sent to the plaintiff's attorneys by Alex's lawyers comes up. | ||
| And here's a little conversation about it that ends with probably an unfortunate moment for Alex. | ||
| So, I'm a tyrant. | ||
| I'm one of the people that needs to be stopped because I represent the Sandy Hook families in this plot against you, right? | ||
| I mean, your overall Democrat Party plot against America. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Now, the first time you ever met me was yesterday, right? | ||
| But I'm well aware of who you are. | ||
| Well, I know you've talked about me in the past on your show. | ||
| In fact, you put a million-dollar bounty on me for having my head on a pike, right? | ||
| No. | ||
| I said on whoever sent the child porn. | ||
| That's very clear. | ||
| And whose photo did you pound when you were offering that bounty? | ||
| Your photo was there, and they just cut to a wide shot of that. | ||
| My photo was right in front of you. | ||
| And then you waited until the camera got on my photo and then pounded my picture, right? | ||
| Right? | ||
| You know... | ||
| Do we need to show the video? | ||
| Oh, if you want to play, go ahead. | ||
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But you recall that you did that, right? | |
| I talked about the fact that I was suspicious of an anti-Alex Jones. | ||
| Sandy Hook emails sent with embedded child porn that we never opened. | ||
| And the headlines in the news are Alex Jones sends child porn to Sandy Hook families, which is not true. | ||
| Somebody sent me an email that was anti-Alex Jones. | ||
| We never opened it. | ||
| You got it. | ||
| You went and scanned it using the system for whatever little needle in the haystack you seem to know was there. | ||
| And then ran headlines that I had sent child porn to people. | ||
| I mean, that right there is just unbelievably dirty and deceptive and not true. | ||
| Mr. Jones, I just want to like... | ||
| Clarify a few things here for you. | ||
| The child pornography that your lawyers transmitted to my office was found by a third-party vendor. | ||
| Is this a question? | ||
| Well, no. | ||
| I'll get to the question. | ||
| Nobody bought it. | ||
| Mr. Jones, who is the first person to ever publicize in any way? | ||
| That your lawyers had sent materials containing child pornography to my office. | ||
| Who was the first person to ever say anything publicly about it? | ||
| I don't remember exactly who, but I know the media was calling us about it. | ||
| Mr. Jones, you don't remember who the first person was to state publicly that this whole issue with child pornography and your company providing it to your lawyers and then sending it to us was you? | ||
| Objection. | ||
| That's a deceptive statement that our company provided. | ||
| It was unopened email. | ||
| It was unopened email. | ||
| I'm not disputing this. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| Poor Alex. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| Doesn't realize that he did this to himself by trying to get out ahead of a story. | ||
| I know. | ||
| Alex. | ||
| He was drunk, hanging out with Norm. | ||
| This happened, and then he was like, I gotta get out of this. | ||
| Boy. | ||
| Got on air, started screaming about it. | ||
| There weren't headlines that were being put out by nefarious globalists. | ||
| Definitely not Chris himself. | ||
| No. | ||
| Which was what Alex was saying, the headlines you put out. | ||
| Oh, you did it, Alex. | ||
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Yes! | |
| You did this. | ||
| Man, that's one of those things that I really just hate. | ||
| For a number of billion reasons, I hate that happened. | ||
| Not least of which just because it muddied so much. | ||
| It's just like, it doesn't... | ||
| Do anyone any good? | ||
| You know, it's just awful. | ||
| All around. | ||
| Anytime, you know, child exploitation materials around, it's bad. | ||
| But yeah, in terms of this, I do think that if Alex hadn't done what he did, then this would have been handled... | ||
| Quite differently. | ||
| Like, no one would have gotten sanctioned over this. | ||
| There wouldn't have been any kind of charges brought against the lawyers or Alex. | ||
| It would be very easily understood that this was something that was sent to them. | ||
| It wasn't opened. | ||
| Alex made a much bigger deal out of this by trying to make a narrative out of it. | ||
| Trying to spin something to accuse these lawyers of setting him up. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Every article, every headline that he had embedded his video. | ||
| Of him saying these things. | ||
| True. | ||
| It's not like they... | ||
| Yeah, it's crazy. | ||
| So Alex rambles quite a bit and then finally gets to just stating directly that he believes that the families are pawns in a plot against him. | ||
| Smart. | ||
| Getting back to my point about or my questions about what you see as a really kind of life and death struggle. | ||
| Between you, your audience that supports you, and this globalist movement that you've described, right? | ||
| You consider the plaintiffs to be basically unwitting pawns in that attack against you. | ||
| I mean, there's no doubt that the corporate media and the system is using the lawsuit to try to get rid of the First Amendment for the general public. | ||
| They admit that. | ||
| They have New York Times headlines saying, you know, time to get rid of the First Amendment and don't research things. | ||
| But would you just answer my question, please? | ||
| I think what you're testifying is that you consider my clients to be unwitting pawns in the plot against you. | ||
| What I see it as is that misrepresentations, when I've apologized, Claims that I'm going after people when I wasn't. | ||
| And I've just seen really a lot of sad people that lost their children using me to keep the story of their children in the news and gun control in the news. | ||
| And then I see the accusations by you guys that I made all this money off Sandy Hook when I know I didn't. | ||
| Social media was exploding then. | ||
| That's when it basically began. | ||
| It was around 2012, and everybody grew with it. | ||
| And Barack Obama grew all the conservative media, just like Trump grew liberal media. | ||
| I mean, I know that it's well known. | ||
| It's like asking when the tide comes in, the tide goes out. | ||
| You're saying here and there is Sandy Hook. | ||
| It's just not true. | ||
| Okay, so getting back to my question. | ||
| Just see if you can answer this question. | ||
| Do you consider my clients now? | ||
| To be unwitting pawns in this overarching conspiracy against you and the free world. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Okay, thank you. | ||
| That's why I see thousands of articles. | ||
| Thank you for your answer. | ||
| Don't elaborate. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Wrong answer. | ||
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Oh, boy. | |
| Oh, boy. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
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Yep. | |
| You just couldn't, couldn't not. | ||
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Nope. | |
| Just couldn't not. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Much like the well, in a situation like this, if you give an answer and then the lawyer says, thank you for your answer, you just really screwed yourself. | ||
| If the lawyer thanks you for anything that isn't money, you're fucked. | ||
| You should be really worried. | ||
| So the question comes up about whether or not Alex contacted any of the families and whether he ever was in touch with anybody. | ||
| Whether you ever had some sort of background report on anybody that nobody seems to know. | ||
| That doesn't come up. | ||
| But this is just a nice setup and spike. | ||
| Have you ever spoken with any of my clients? | ||
| Not that I remember. | ||
| Have you ever spoken with any family members of any... | ||
| Anybody who was killed at Sandy Hook? | ||
| No, we've invited them on the show. | ||
| You've never personally spoken to them? | ||
| Not that I know. | ||
| And nobody on your behalf, as far as you know, has spoken to them? | ||
| Not that I know. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Have you ever sent letters to any family members of anybody who was killed at Sandy Hook? | ||
| We responded back to Posner. | ||
| You sent a letter to Mr. Posner? | ||
| I believe when he emailed us, we emailed him back. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Putting that aside, and by the way, you did. | ||
| I'm going to show you that. | ||
| When you say we, you're talking about Mr. Watson emailed him back, right? | ||
| I believe so. | ||
| That was in 2013? | ||
| I believe so. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But other than Mr. Posner, you've never sent a letter to any family members of people who were killed at Sandy Hook? | ||
| No. | ||
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Okay. | |
| And Madeleine Albright didn't send any letters to the 500,000 she killed in Iraq. | ||
| It doesn't seem like you want to compare yourself to Madeline Albright. | ||
| I'm not a hero like her. | ||
| I'm the villain. | ||
| She's the hero. | ||
| I'm not a hero. | ||
| Mr. Jones, I'll represent to you that this is a video that was produced to us by Free Speech Systems in 2018. | ||
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Go ahead and play that. | |
| 89A is the clip. | ||
| Go ahead and play that. | ||
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I have to tell you, I was a part of my lawyers in Texas and Connecticut. | |
| They both have strong anti-slap provisions for attorney's fees and damages. | ||
| And I'm like sitting there with my lawyers last week going, I know we've got slap back. | ||
| We've got to teach people lessons to stop following fake suits. | ||
| But man, I don't want to sue these families. | ||
| You know, they sued me, but they've been manipulated. | ||
| So we've been sending letters on the phone to the families. | ||
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And that's why they got another crop of families to sue us. | |
| Because we've been talking to them. | ||
| And it's saying, really, show me the clip where I sent that, y 'all. | ||
| It's not there. | ||
| So obviously that was false when you told your audience that you had been setting letters and getting on the phone with the families and talking to them, correct? | ||
| No, I don't know the context of this. | ||
| I'm sorry, what? | ||
| It didn't mean somebody that represented me was talking to, I mean, I can't remember the times, but I wouldn't be saying that if it wasn't true. | ||
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Well, you just testified completely opposite to what that was, which is true. | |
| I barely remembered the Posner thing. | ||
| I said there could have been more. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't remember this. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| That is maybe the best example of holding two contradictory ideas inside your head at the same time. | ||
| And Alex is a master of doing that. | ||
| I will give him that. | ||
| I will give him that. | ||
| When nothing is real, it is quite zen. | ||
| There's a certain place that I get. | ||
| I mean, look, it's fun to talk shit on your show. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| And being like, we've talked to these people and they're all dropping the suit. | ||
| Fantastic. | ||
| It's great. | ||
| Things are recorded. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Your shows, find them. | ||
| It's not going to not be there later. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Man. | |
| Anyway. | ||
| We should really destroy every episode of something immediately after doing it. | ||
| No evidence of anything ever. | ||
| So, there's a discussion. | ||
| Pretty long discussion about Alex's video of his final statement on Sandy Hook. | ||
| And a lot of the conversation surrounds the various anomalies that are incorrect. | ||
| So we're not going to play a ton of that. | ||
| But here is one clip of the discussion about the Bloomberg email. | ||
| And the reason I kept this in is just because it's so funny to hear Alex talk about his own ideas this way. | ||
| And I'll ask you to pause it intermittently through this. | ||
| I just want to scribble. | ||
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I hate to film the tragic event now. | |
| You heard yourself say, number one, on the day before the shooting, an email was sent out by Bloomberg's anti-gun group. | ||
| You pull up on the screen, as you're saying that, an Infowars article, correct? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And that Infowars headline is exposed, How Bloomberg Planned to Seize Upon Gun Tragedy, right? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And it's dated March 13, 2013, correct? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Written by Aaron Dykes, right? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| He was a writer of yours? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And you pulled up this article as evidence of the fact that Mr. Bloomberg's organization had, in fact, sent out an email. | ||
| The day before the shooting, as you had just said, correct? | ||
| Well, I didn't pull it up. | ||
| Someone put it on this video. | ||
| But that's why you put it there. | ||
| I guess so. | ||
| I mean, nobody spontaneously decided to do that. | ||
| That was preloaded, right? | ||
| No, a lot of times they just put stuff up on the show, but I don't know. | ||
| Are you claiming that... | ||
| Sorry, what? | ||
| Are you claiming that this was not published in the middle of your statement as evidence? | ||
| For your claim? | ||
| I haven't seen three seconds of this clip. | ||
| I don't know what I'm looking at here. | ||
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All right. | |
| Go ahead and keep playing it. | ||
| Saying, prepare for a big event. | ||
| But the biggest piece... | ||
| So, you said that Mayor Bloomberg had sent out an email the day before the shooting saying, prepare for a big event, right? | ||
| Right? | ||
| And we talked about that yesterday as being evidence to support your claim that Sandy Hook was a hoax because Mr. Bloomberg would have had foreknowledge of the event coming, right? | ||
| Or they were saying, get ready to use a tragedy. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But you said he jumped the gun, meaning that he released that email early, intending to send it after the fact, knowing that there was going to be a hoax, correct? | ||
| That's the tape you played earlier. | ||
| That's what you meant by it. | ||
| You could imply that. | ||
| I mean, you'd agree with me. | ||
| That's what you meant. | ||
| When you said, bloomy, you jumped the gun, you sent this email out early, knowing that there was going to be a hoax, right? | ||
| Yes? | ||
| Is that a yes, Mr. Jones? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Okay, thank you. | ||
| That's a possible interpretation of my thoughts. | ||
| That was a rollercoaster ride of one clip. | ||
| That was insane. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Likes to scribble. | ||
| Immediately, that changed everything in my mind. | ||
| It went from being a desk situation, very much like you and I right now, to being Alex as one of those children who had just had a traumatic event, sitting there with the cops with a crayon scribbling down as the cops ask questions about what happened. | ||
| That's what's going on here. | ||
| Yeah, or my mind even goes to a kid at a desk, one of those desks that has the pocket. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Where you put all your supplies. | ||
| It's a little bit too small for Alex, and he's sitting there, not paying attention in class, drawing that S. I could see that. | ||
| That's always the S. Yeah. | ||
| So yeah, this is another thing that comes up pretty repeatedly in terms of Alex's evasions, and that is that, oh, someone put that email or that story up in editing or something in post, and oh, that's not the right thing. | ||
| That's supposed to be there as evidence of the claims that I'm making, but somebody else put this together and it's not the right thing. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| I'm not mad at the crew. | ||
| That's the story of this deposition. | ||
| That ends up being... | ||
| Excuse for at least a couple of things. | ||
| You could imply that is an amazing misdirect from a thing you were implying. | ||
| Like, ah, I was implying it, but you could imply that I was implying it. | ||
| You could imply that this is a claim that I made. | ||
| You could. | ||
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You could. | |
| Is that a yes? | ||
| It is impliable. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| What a dork. | ||
| Anyway, Alex, just like, he's in deflection mode. | ||
| He's just, hey, what about the media? | ||
| They make mistakes, buddy. | ||
| Fine. | ||
| Mr. Jones, you know, I've heard you say several times this morning and yesterday that you got things wrong, you made mistakes, right? | ||
| And I appreciate you saying that. | ||
| Like the New York Times said there were WNDs in Iraq, which they knew and allowed on purpose and killed millions of people. | ||
| I didn't kill anybody. | ||
| Honestly, I know they're liberal, they're good, but Madeline Albright, I'm the bad guy. | ||
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Can I? | |
| Is Madeline Albright anything? | ||
| What are we doing? | ||
| Give you an opportunity here, and you're not going to get any debate from me that the media makes mistakes all the time, including some that have grievous consequences. | ||
| Objection, mister. | ||
| But do you acknowledge that what you claim are mistakes that you made regarding the worst school shooting in history, where you claimed... | ||
| That it was a hoax in order to, as part of a plot, to disarm the public. | ||
| That that had real consequences for the people who you claimed were part of that hoax. | ||
| Adam Lands is dead. | ||
| I didn't kill their children. | ||
| No, you didn't. | ||
| That's a shit response. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Do you recognize that the mistakes and things that you were engaged in surrounding this have consequences for people? | ||
| I didn't kill anybody. | ||
| He's dead. | ||
| Yeah, it is. | ||
| It is very much. | ||
| It is very much. | ||
| You can just... | ||
| Something I read Trump said the other day was if the candidates that I support win, then all of the... | ||
| Glory should go to me. | ||
| Right. | ||
| If they lose, no one should blame me for anything. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| And it is so, like, that's just encapsulated in what Alex does. | ||
| Yeah, but that makes sense. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, it does make sense. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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I buy it. | |
| Yeah, totally. | ||
| What is responsibility if it's not just claiming credit for things? | ||
| It's credit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, yeah, Alex is asked about this idea that the audience comes to him for truth. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| And this is weird. | ||
| He has a weird response. | ||
| There's a little bit of grandstanding. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I just want to see if you understand that when you tell your audience that comes to you for the truth, because that's what you tell them you're giving them, right? | ||
| Unlike the Supreme Court nominee, I can say what a woman is, yes. | ||
| There are two genders. | ||
| I don't want to play games with you here. | ||
| I'm talking about my clients. | ||
| Well, Main Street Media says there's not two genders. | ||
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I mean, you guys pointed at my mistakes. | |
| What you're trying to do right now is distract from the question I'm asking you. | ||
| And so I just want you to answer my question. | ||
| I didn't think it was going to be hard for you to acknowledge that your audience comes to you for the truth. | ||
| Would you just agree with me on that? | ||
| Yes, and we make mistakes. | ||
| And you make mistakes. | ||
| Fine. | ||
| You and I can disagree all day long about whether you made mistakes or whether you lied on purpose. | ||
| Why would I lie with such stupid stuff? | ||
| I just wasn't paying attention. | ||
| But what about this? | ||
| You agree with me that at a minimum, you were reckless in the statements you made about Sandy Hook, correct? | ||
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Objection. | |
| No, I believe there were real anomalies, and I was wrong. | ||
| I said that years ago. | ||
| You weren't reckless in the statements you made about Sandy Hooker? | ||
| Objection. | ||
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Objection. | |
| Did you just film a video yesterday in which you said you were reckless? | ||
| Objection. | ||
| I don't remember saying that. | ||
| Do we have the clip? | ||
| Uh-oh. | ||
| You responded to exactly what I think is the most important under... | ||
| It's there, and it's moved past. | ||
| But Alex saying, I wasn't paying attention... | ||
| Amazing. | ||
| ...is dark. | ||
| Astonishing. | ||
| It's such a blip. | ||
| You know, in terms of the things that are said in this deposition. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But to me, it's so important because it is just like Alex thinks he can absolve himself of this wrongdoing and the pain that he causes people because like, I wasn't even paying attention. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, no, that's not better. | ||
| It's like when he was in the Greenwald interview and he said, like, he was drunk. | ||
| I was drunk, yeah. | ||
| I was just drunk when I was saying that stuff. | ||
| Doesn't make this better. | ||
| Listen, when I hit your son with the car, I was drunk and I wasn't paying attention. | ||
| So leave me alone. | ||
| Well, that's actually a really good sort of way to look at it. | ||
| It's like, I ran over your kid. | ||
| But I was drunk when I did it, so I'm not a bad person. | ||
| I didn't mean to hit your kid. | ||
| Now, you did decide to drink and drive, which is something that maybe makes you less of a good person. | ||
| The decision point was earlier. | ||
| So for Alex, if he's like, I wasn't paying attention when I made all this bullshit up and threw it around about these grieving parents, it's like, no, no, no. | ||
| The act of saying the thing you're trying to absolve yourself is irrelevant. | ||
| The decision to behave in that way and operate your news outlet like you're a drunk driver is the problem, and that does make you a bad person. | ||
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Right. | |
| When you made the decision to drive drunk, you said something, and that was, I know that this is a possibility, maybe even a high possibility, and I don't care. | ||
| And if your kid dies, I know that could happen, but it's less valuable to me than just getting home without It's more expedient for me to drive drunk, and for Alex, it's more expedient to make shit up, because it's sensational, and his audience enjoys it. | ||
| Did you not hear that I made $11 million? | ||
| Of course I wasn't paying attention when I was lying about that. | ||
| I made a lot of money. | ||
| Paying attention is crippling to the business. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| So, this next clip really got me thinking. | ||
| I don't believe a good bit of this. | ||
| But there's an interesting level of false introspection that's going on. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I've developed and learned a lot. | ||
| 48. Okay. | ||
| And so how old were you when Sandy Hook happened? | ||
| I would be 38. Okay. | ||
| Broadcasting to an audience of millions. | ||
| I mean, we saw the numbers, right? | ||
| Conjecture. | ||
| So if I don't want to believe... | ||
| Anything I'm allowed to believe, and I'm allowed to have free speech to not, when as a gun owner I'm being blamed for something, people then basically have a form of resistance to that to just then believe, no, it didn't happen because it's a terrible thing that happened when it's wrongfully being accused on all gun owners. | ||
| People then start knowing that that's a fraud, and so the mind then starts finding ways to absolutely then vilify the media and the groups that are saying and doing that. | ||
| And that's what you were doing as well. | ||
| Well, I mean, I've tried to analyze myself, and I've gotten some therapy over it, actually. | ||
| How? | ||
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How could a therapist not tackle you? | |
| It's been helpful. | ||
| Well, I think you should be commended for that. | ||
| But I also want to say... | ||
| Motion to strike. | ||
| I also want, though, to ask you whether in that reflection you've come to realize that the statements you made that were wrong and that you claim were mistakes hurt people. | ||
|
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Objection. | |
| Objection. | ||
| Just like the judge lying and saying that we gave you false documents and you lying in court is hurtful. | ||
|
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Objection. | |
| But when you lie, it's liberal and loving. | ||
| And when you guys blow up countries, it's liberal and loving. | ||
| When you send pedophiles directly in story time, it's liberal and loving. | ||
| It all has consequences, doesn't it? | ||
| It all has consequences of what you guys have done, that no one believes anything you say. | ||
| And what you say has consequences as well. | ||
| It does. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And you don't dispute that the families who you claimed were actors suffered as a result of that, do you? | ||
| I'm going to object to that. | ||
| That's fine. | ||
| That's your objection. | ||
| You don't dispute it. | ||
| Are you going to let me talk? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I don't think the level of pain they went through losing their children, being a father myself with four children, having a four-and-a-half-year-old daughter, I don't think going through that level of pain and horror, the worst thing that can happen in the world, even comes in any comparison, things I did in my... | ||
| Own mistakes and my own delusions. | ||
| So I think it's really admirable of Maddie to not take the bait that Alex was throwing out there with all the liberal and loving bullshit. | ||
| So much. | ||
| You know, because what he's doing is trying to derail the point of attention, which is threatening to him, which is you did cause this pain and hurt to these people. | ||
| And so when he's confronted with that, he says like, oh yeah, just like this. | ||
| And if you just ignore that, you're like, yeah, fine. | ||
| But you are just like that then, right? | ||
| You're agreeing with that. | ||
| Yeah, you're agreeing that you caused pain. | ||
| You're trying to muddy the waters by bringing in outside grievances that you have, but focusing just straight on what we're talking about, your answer is yes. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| Jerk. | ||
| No, what you tried to do was agree with me and then throw keys off into the cornfield and be like, don't you want to chase those keys? | ||
| Yeah, and it's, you know, obviously some of the keys that he throws are repulsive and, you know, they are things that... | ||
| You know, you'd want to correct or be like, hey, hold on now. | ||
| But in a setting like this, it's, you know, it's key just to stay on point. | ||
| And that can be difficult to do with a distraction artist like Alex. | ||
| No, absolutely. | ||
| And it is such an endurance test, you know, like I genuinely, as I'm listening to this, you know, this one and the last one, it's like I could not do this if the judgment was in doubt. | ||
| Do you know what I'm saying? | ||
| Like now that it's over and I know that he loses and all this stuff, then I could listen to him in this deposition. | ||
| Tell me these things because I've got a big smile in the back of my mind. | ||
| Sure. | ||
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But in this situation where you don't know yet, you know, you're going to you've already won and all that stuff. | |
| But you don't know if it's going to go the way you really want it to yet. | ||
| Like the idea that he can just say that shit to you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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And then not get consequences for it. | |
| Do you know what I'm saying? | ||
| It's terrifying. | ||
| And the endurance of not like... | ||
| Because again, that's what Alex does. | ||
| He gives you as much emotion as he can to override your ability to think. | ||
| Or trying to elicit that emotion in you to get you off track. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| But also, I think that this clip offers a really good insight into Alex's mind and how these conspiracies work, because if you look at it, it's basically exactly what we say pretty regularly, is what he's articulating. | ||
| He sees an event that's threatening to his ideology, and he knows that he has no actual argument about it, and that the people on the other side of the issue have points that he cannot in any way rebut. | ||
| Instead of recognizing that and working on strengthening his arguments or attempting to find a compromise solution, When there's a mass shooting, all gun owners aren't blamed for it, but Alex feels like they are because to him, discussion of gun regulation isn't a matter of making better public policy, it's something that's being done to punish people who have guns. | ||
| This is obviously inaccurate, but it serves as a launching pad for Alex to make the leap to where he wants to go, which is to say that the shooting itself is fake, so there's no reason to punish gun owners, which is not happening to begin with. | ||
| If Alex had to counter the actual arguments people who propose gun regulation are making, he would fall flat. | ||
| He showed all he has when he went on Piers Morgan's show. | ||
| Like, it's just a bunch of yowling and aggressive statements, but there's no actual substance there. | ||
| This is all just intellectual cowardice. | ||
| Alex can't stand up to the actual ideas in the arena like he likes to think he can, so he takes the shortcut of taking world events personally and then insisting they didn't happen. | ||
| The event didn't happen because the globalists were really just trying to punish me to begin with, so they faked this event in order to give them a justification to do it. | ||
| You can easily see how this allows Alex to sidestep any actual policy discussions because he's not equipped to have them. | ||
| Also, no therapist would allow this kind of justification to stand without further exploration. | ||
| Absurd. | ||
| It's just a case of clear projection and rationalization that you'd have to have a norm-level therapist in order to accept and move past. | ||
| That's outrageous. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No. | ||
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Oh, man. | |
| I mean, I know that Alex has gone to some therapists just because of court order stuff with his divorce and custody stuff, but that was a while back. | ||
| I can't imagine putting a poor therapist through this. | ||
| This is the one time where there's just not enough money. | ||
| What? | ||
| Reboot of The Sopranos. | ||
| There we go. | ||
| Alex. | ||
| Alex and the therapist. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| You would have to have a gun to the therapist to pull that off. | ||
| We reboot Dr. Katz. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| All of the sessions are Alex. | ||
| All Alex. | ||
| Oh, no, no. | ||
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No. | |
| Roger Stone. | ||
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Ooh, that'd be fun. | |
| All of the Infowars personalities as Dr. Katz's patients. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And we could get Louis C.K. back because he's also a piece of shit. | ||
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Hold on now. | |
| They're all pieces of shit. | ||
| See? | ||
| I feel like... | ||
| I feel like... | ||
| We could be onto something. | ||
| Hey, everyone out there listening, don't tell anyone. | ||
| Don't steal this idea. | ||
| Don't tell anybody. | ||
| We'll pull this off. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, Maddie points out here something that's very important, and that is that if you believe that these people are actors and they've just pulled off this fake thing in order to take everyone's guns, you should expose them. | ||
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Right. | |
| That would be the right thing to do. | ||
| That's the way to do it. | ||
| Right? | ||
| If you have somebody who has faked their child's death as part of a political agenda, To disarm the American public, those people should be exposed for what they are, right? | ||
| Objection to them. | ||
| Some of the parents, and I can imagine their pain, got sucked into gun control and advocacy, and now some of them have done quite well in that advocacy, and so became political operatives in that very early on, and they're now in a political arena. | ||
| That's what's going to happen. | ||
| I move to strike the colloquy. | ||
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Counsel's tone seems calculated to... | |
| Mario? | ||
| That's a full objection. | ||
| So why don't we wait until the end of the break and you can make your objection. | ||
| So Alex is basically saying exactly what Matty would hope he'd say. | ||
| Yeah, 100%. | ||
| Because he's saying they have entered the political arena. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Just kind of making the argument that they're fair game. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so... | ||
| This turns into a bit of chaos. | ||
| If I understand correctly, what he's saying is if you survive or experience a massive tragedy and tell people about it, then it is fine to abuse you. | ||
| Well, yes, unless you tell people about it in a way that Alex likes. | ||
| Yes! | ||
| And then you're a monster if you are insulted at all. | ||
| So, yeah, chaos, man. | ||
| Mark, that's not a form of objection. | ||
| So why don't we wait until the end of the break and you can make your objection? | ||
| It's a 1330 objection. | ||
| Okay, you know that you are antagonizing the witness. | ||
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That's my objection. | |
| That's what I want to know. | ||
| It's terrible. | ||
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You guys can all talk at the same time. | |
| They had it coming, didn't they? | ||
| No, that's a terrible objection. | ||
| That's a terrible thing for you to say. | ||
| That's why I said it. | ||
| How dare you say the parents had it coming? | ||
| Didn't? | ||
| Well. | ||
| You just said that. | ||
| Didn't you harass them? | ||
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You want to apologize to the parents for saying they had it coming? | |
| I think you know what I meant, Mr. James. | ||
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No, you said it. | |
| Which is, you just said, they stepped into the public arena. | ||
| Have you no decency, Mr. Robby? | ||
| They stepped into the public arena, and so they got what they got, right? | ||
| No. | ||
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Did Robby Parker step into the public arena? | |
| He did, and I think he's a good man. | ||
| Did he have an anti-gun agenda? | ||
| Many were used for an anti-gun agenda. | ||
| Did Robbie Parker ever said a word about guns? | ||
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Objection. | |
| No, and I'm sorry for any pain that I and my others caused, Mr. Parker. | ||
|
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Objection. | |
| Are we done here? | ||
| The website. | ||
| Are you objecting to his answer now, Mario? | ||
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I'm objecting to your tone. | |
| I should move to strike. | ||
| Yeah, this is chaos. | ||
| Mario, Mario. | ||
| I don't like your tone, sir. | ||
| Yeah, I get where he's coming from. | ||
| And I think a lot of the objections that are flying around, not necessarily in this clip, but throughout some of this, are things that are being said as statements. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Or at least appear to be being said as statements. | ||
| Yeah, if I understand correctly, I mean, obviously I don't understand correctly, but what I think if I understand is that these depositions, the transcripts that go to the jury... | ||
| If the objection is sustained, then that section is cut out, right? | ||
| So it's possible that the transcripts from the jury, none of this section was in what they got. | ||
| I would assume that most of it... | ||
| Yeah, well, I mean, of course. | ||
| I think. | ||
| I don't think a lot of these objections are... | ||
| I think a lot of them are just sort of like, eh, maybe. | ||
| We'll see. | ||
| Well, that's kind of what I'm saying, is that a lot of people have asked, like, why is he still answering questions after objection if there's no kind of thing? | ||
| And it's because that's an after-the-fact. | ||
| Right. | ||
| The judge would, you know, everybody would determine that. | ||
| Alex would, and there are a couple instances where this happens, and I think we'll even hear one or two of them, where Norm is like, I'm advising you not to answer that. | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| And that's when Alex doesn't... | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like, that will happen. | ||
| But yeah, these are just sort of objections that are like, roll the dice. | ||
| I do appreciate the attempt to bring like, oh, the lawyer's tone is a problem. | ||
| I appreciate that. | ||
| But dude, if I were the lawyers on Alex's side, I totally would probably do the same thing. | ||
| Oh, object to everything. | ||
| But sometimes I'm not. | ||
| I think Maddie's tone is great. | ||
| It's fantastic. | ||
| So, the question of Rob Jacobson comes up. | ||
| Longtime Infoars employee who testified in this case. | ||
| He had a deposition about his time working there. | ||
| And Don Salazar has said, also under oath, that Rob said, hey, shouldn't be covering Sandy Hook and all this stuff. | ||
| And so Alex has some pretty shitty things to say. | ||
| It is a lie to say that I made More than 1% of the money, even in the times, the whole shows, I covered Sandy Hook. | ||
| In fact, I got a lot of heat from friends and family and folks that worked at the office and people like Paul Watson when we did cover it. | ||
| And Watson threatened to quit if we didn't stop covering it. | ||
| Just a few times we did. | ||
| When did he threaten to quit? | ||
| I don't remember exactly. | ||
| Do you remember a conversation with Rob Jacobson where he told you that You shouldn't be covering Sandy Hook like we were. | ||
| In the case of Rob, he is... | ||
| I just want to know if you remember that conversation. | ||
| I know he's claimed that, and it's the opposite. | ||
| He was the guy that believed Sandy Hook. | ||
| He was lying about warning you against covering Sandy Hook. | ||
| Man, I'm just absolutely lying. | ||
| Because you know that your employee, Adan Salazar, acknowledged that he had a conversation with Rob Jacobson where Rob Jacobson told him that you should not be relying on Halbig. | ||
| I know later, but throughout most of it, he was the one bringing it up, saying he thought it was staged. | ||
| And then I do remember Adan saying later, he thought that. | ||
| He also thought that David Knight was an alien reptile and had a really serious breakdown. | ||
| And I'm really sad for Rob. | ||
| And the fact he's being exploited by you guys is disgusting. | ||
| He is seriously mentally ill, in my view. | ||
| You know that. | ||
| You know what happened to the deposition. | ||
| Very sad. | ||
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All right. | |
| I mean, seriously. | ||
| I really, I just, I don't want to come back for a third day if we can avoid it, but... | ||
| Before I see that up now, I've answered all your questions. | ||
| I think I suggest a five-minute break, Frank. | ||
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May I have a moment with my client, please, in the interest of maximizing the time today? | |
| Just only five minutes. | ||
| We're supposed to go to lunch now, anyways. | ||
| No, lunch is at 1230. | ||
| It's about 1100. | ||
| So they end up getting cheesesteaks. | ||
| But I have not watched the Rob Jacobson deposition yet. | ||
| I don't have that one, but hopefully we'll be able to cover that in the future. | ||
| But Alex's lawyers got sanctioned because of their behavior in that deposition. | ||
| It was ruled to be abusive. | ||
| And they were really, really shitty. | ||
| Alex's lawyers. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| They were abusive. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And got sanctioned because of their behavior with Rob. | ||
| And I think Alex is referring to that, but as a whole, objective eyes look at that deposition as a real bad thing for Alex's case. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That sounds right. | ||
| But Alex is viewing it as, oh, we showed you something. | ||
| Yeah, that's amazing to look at it in a glass-half-full way like that. | ||
| Makes sense. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, Alex is the real victim, when you really think about it. | ||
| I don't know if that's true. | ||
| When you think about the whole Sandy Hook thing, Alex is the victim. | ||
| Well, you gotta look it through Alex's eyes. | ||
| Alright, that's a good point. | ||
| And was my being wrong about things hurtful to people? | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| It was not done consciously, and I apologize for that. | ||
| And I have learned by becoming very, very famous how important it is when you do have power. | ||
| And at the same time, I have suffered by being deplatformed, demonized, threatened, attacked for what I said about Sandy Hook, and I have been punished a lot. | ||
| And that's why I'm not even... | ||
| This whole fiasco of a trial and all the media stuff is, to me, not going to be cathartic for the families. | ||
| It's certainly not going to be for me, but it'll make a nice HBO documentary for everybody. | ||
| So that's just the way it is. | ||
| Do you feel that you are a victim of, that you've been unfairly victimized? | ||
| As a result of the statements you've made about Sandy Hook. | ||
| Let's just say this. | ||
| I wish that I knew what I know now a long time ago. | ||
| It's been very, very retrospective for me. | ||
| And, I mean, I've been honest. | ||
| People say, like, don't tell them you were delusional. | ||
| That's not like somebody saying, oh, a reason of insanity. | ||
| I mean, I really believed all that stuff. | ||
| That I was saying, and I was wrong about that because so much other stuff has been proven and documented, and then you start thinking everything's a lie, and I've explained that. | ||
| And that's the fact. | ||
| Alex won't own his position. | ||
| He views himself as a woe-is-me person in this whole circumstance. | ||
| I've been kicked off social media. | ||
| I've been marginalized. | ||
| Oh, and all these people lied to me that made me say these things. | ||
| And the media tricked me with being wrong all the time. | ||
| And so I thought everything was fake. | ||
| And oh, look at me. | ||
| Won't you think of the poor Alex Joneses? | ||
| He's really just a shithead. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| It was wrong on a lot of counts in there. | ||
| But most especially, it was cathartic. | ||
| Turns out... | ||
| I think so, yeah. | ||
| I think it was quite cathartic in a lot of ways. | ||
| I can see how he would think it wouldn't be. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| He's like, well, I lost, so nobody should be happy, right? | ||
| Well, and... | ||
| He's required to have a position that they're not really that upset about him. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| And so he would think that whatever catharsis they'd feel would be fake. | ||
| Yeah, it's not real. | ||
| Yeah, or overblown. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| So, yeah, of course he would think it wouldn't be that big a deal. | ||
| I do like how he accidentally, or, you know, he was like, people said, don't say you're delusional or something, which is like... | ||
| Clearly this was a conversation you had with your lawyers about how to lie to get out of this. | ||
| Can I say, what if I said I was crazy? | ||
| Do you think that would work? | ||
| Can I plead temporary insanity? | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| It went over a couple years, so that's going to be tough. | ||
| No. | ||
| Heat of the moment! | ||
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Yeah! | |
| It's a crime of passion! | ||
| No. | ||
| So, Megyn Kelly came to interview Alex. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And he presumably, and he definitely claimed this on air a number of times, that he had, like, the whole thing recorded. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| He was secretly, he got all of it. | ||
| I remember when we covered that, he made that very clear. | ||
| Yeah, it turns out that never was true. | ||
|
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Ooh. | |
| And there's a funny reason. | ||
|
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Oh. | |
| Hey, Mr. Jones, I want to show you a video. | ||
| That you published in June of 2017. | ||
| And do you recall that this was around the time you did an interview with Megyn Kelly? | ||
| Yes? | ||
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Yes. | |
| And you had a lot of complaints about how she presented that interview. | ||
| When it broadcasts, correct? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| You thought it was unfair to you? | ||
| Yes, it was unfair. | ||
| A lot of jump cuts. | ||
| I told her I thought Sandy Hook happened. | ||
| She goes, well, tell me about the anomalies. | ||
| So then it can be, look, he's denying it again. | ||
| And I hope you can get that raw tape from her because she said, oh, I'm not going to talk about Sandy Hook when I come and all this stuff. | ||
| She was there all day long, and then for the main interview at night, it was all about Sandy Hook. | ||
| Have you ever seen the raw footage from that interview? | ||
| No, and I told one of my crew to tape it on iPhone. | ||
| Of course, they didn't, because somebody called their phone minutes into it and stopped the recording. | ||
| What happened to that employee? | ||
| They're no longer... | ||
| It was my sister. | ||
| I love everybody. | ||
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It's like the Minions episode in my house. | |
| I feel like I'm a despicable me. | ||
| Yeah, he's like the Minions. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| I just, I just, you know. | ||
| Every time you think that there's going to be just a very simple explanation for something, a foible occurs. | ||
| Alex lives a permanent farce. | ||
| Every time he enters a door, he goes out a different room. | ||
| Who screwed up that recording? | ||
| It was my sister. | ||
| It was my sister. | ||
| He was trying to throw someone out of the bus until he remembered it was his sister. | ||
| Yeah, probably. | ||
| Also, if his life is like the Minions, then he is a villain, right? | ||
| Right? | ||
| I believe he is. | ||
| The minions work for villains. | ||
| The minions work for villains. | ||
| They are canonically evil. | ||
| Cool analogy. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Anyway, remember this came up a little bit on day one? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The notion that the Costco firm are the mafia. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Right. | ||
| This comes back up. | ||
| How are we going to do that? | ||
| And Norm is really wanting Alex to shut up. | ||
| Yeah, that would be nice. | ||
| And this is called Sandy Hook Vampires Exposed. | ||
| Do you remember that? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Did you title that video? | ||
| I did. | ||
| And by vampire, you're referring to people who you claim get energy and goodwill as a result of being associated with the tragedy, correct? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And I suspect you put my law firm in that category? | ||
| Well, you... | ||
| I mean, yes. | ||
|
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Okay. | |
| So let's go ahead and... | ||
| Now, this was obviously before any lawsuit was filed, so you couldn't have been referring to us then, right? | ||
| Well, I mean, I think that's a fair category for you now. | ||
|
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Okay. | |
| You don't dispute that the families have a right to hire a lawyer if they choose, correct? | ||
| No, but I mean, I think... | ||
| I mean, you're a thoroughbred ambulance chaser. | ||
| I'd call you a vampire. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So that's even separate from Sandy Hook, just because I'm a lawyer. | ||
| I mean, I think the Costco firm is known as about as, you know, I mean, like, as the mafia around here. | ||
| Okay, so in addition to being ambulance chasers, we're the mafia? | ||
| I was once told that by a member. | ||
| No, no, no, no, no, no objection. | ||
| You can't cut off his answer. | ||
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There's a confidentiality. | |
| We have a confidentiality agreement with your firm. | ||
|
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I tried to discuss this with you. | |
| He was there. | ||
| I'd like an opportunity to do so off the record for a moment. | ||
| You have a confidentiality agreement with my firm? | ||
|
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As to the source of this comment, I'd like to discuss it with you off the record. | |
| I'm not aware of any agreement. | ||
| I am. | ||
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It was with Josh. | |
| There was a context in which we met and agreed not to discuss things. | ||
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That's where this is coming from. | |
| I'm not going to have Mr. Jones testify about an agreement he signed with your firm. | ||
| I'm an officer of the court. | ||
| I'm telling you, this happened. | ||
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I'd like an opportunity to speak with you for one minute. | |
| You want to retract your testimony? | ||
| That you claim to have heard in some sort of setting that your lawyer is now preventing you from talking about? | ||
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I'm going to answer any questions about what took place at that meeting. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Alright, so Norm called you guys the mafia. | ||
| That is an issue. | ||
| That may be... | ||
| Yeah, that could be. | ||
| Or, conversely... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, the converse side of this is not realistic, I don't think. | ||
| And Alex would know if he signed something that was a confidentiality thing. | ||
| That seems like a problem. | ||
| And, like, so he's saying that Josh Koskoff signed this. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Some sort of weird confidentiality thing. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| And you would think that they would know about this. | ||
| They're on a very tight-knit team on this case, and yeah, this is all bullshit. | ||
| But good on you, Norm. | ||
| Jumping up to... | ||
| And this comes back up later. | ||
| Oh, of course. | ||
| Norm being like, we want to strike all of this. | ||
| We want to strike any mention of the mafia stuff. | ||
| You know, I think Chris is doing a fantastic job here, but that one moment, I really feel like I want Bill to tag in and just sit there and chew on a gummy worm as Norm keeps being like, no, no, no, I agreed with Josh! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| Then we call him. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Let's go ahead and do that right now. | ||
| So one of the other things I think Chris is really good with is being serious about unserious things. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Like the who is a vampire question. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So he wants to know if the judge is a vampire here. | ||
| Mr. Jones, is the judge presiding over this case? | ||
| Do you also consider her a vampire? | ||
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Objection. | |
| Objection. | ||
| I mean, I know that we didn't provide fraudulent financials, and I know we gave you guys everything. | ||
| You said you have nothing. | ||
| Do you consider the judge? | ||
| Presiding over this case, a Sandy Hook vampire, the same way you consider me a Sandy Hook vampire? | ||
| No, I wouldn't put her in the vampire category. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Do you... | ||
| Probably a demon wreck. | ||
| I mean, yeah, what are we doing? | ||
| What categories? | ||
| The families who lost loved ones at Sandy Hook don't have a right to seek relief through a lawyer? | ||
| No, I think that the media and the people that are actually always hyping it up, claiming that I became successful off of it, which is not true, and while they're the ones becoming successful off of it, that they're the vampires. | ||
| So if you did become successful off Sandy Hook, you'd consider yourself a vampire, right? | ||
| And I know you're misrepresenting that I did that, but I know the truth. | ||
| I know that it was a small part of what we did, and that my opposition to Barack Obama during that period is what exploded the show. | ||
| But if the jury were to conclude that actually you did garner audience and revenue as a result of your lies about Sandy Hook, they could fairly conclude, according to your logic, that you yourself were Sandy Hook vampire? | ||
| Objection as to the form. | ||
| What'd you think? | ||
| Negligible revenue. | ||
| We've not really been able to discover almost. | ||
| We've seen it like $300 off articles or something. | ||
| No, I mean, I can tell you that Sandy Hook was not a revenue generator for us. | ||
| In fact, a lot of our listeners didn't like it at the time. | ||
| It was very controversial to question it, and I still did things like that. | ||
| Just like I did 9-11, and I've explained that to you. | ||
| The audience members of yours who harassed My clients, they liked what you said, didn't they? | ||
| Objection as to the forum. | ||
| There have been claims that those are my listeners, and much of that, some of the people that I saw on the news that did go harass some people were not my listeners, even if the media said that. | ||
| Aha, no true Scotsman. | ||
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I mean, no listener of mine would harass those families. | |
| It's been a while since I've heard a good no true Scotsman. | ||
| And unfortunately, Alex is a San Diego vampire. | ||
| I wanted him to stop and be like, How did you do that? | ||
| Because you made my words turn back on me, and I don't know how to do that to people. | ||
| Never since Bill made Owen Troyer admit that he's the mainstream media has a definition gone so awry. | ||
| It is so funny. | ||
| They just don't understand how words work. | ||
| They do not. | ||
| So Alex gets to talking here, getting asked a question about Owen's video where he defamed Neil Heslin and relied on the Zero Hedge article. | ||
| Alex doesn't seem to understand what the issue is there. | ||
| Now, I don't have to play the full video for you, Mr. Jones. | ||
| I may just ask you some questions about it and see what you recall of the broadcast where Mr. Schroyer claimed... | ||
| That contrary to what Neil Heslin said during his interview with Megyn Kelly, it was not possible for him to have held his son after his son had been murdered. | ||
| Do you recall that? | ||
| Yes. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Did I fairly characterize what Owens said on that video? | ||
| He was reading a Zero Hedge article. | ||
| So that's a fair characterization. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| You think that that claim came from the Zero Hedge article? | ||
| That's what I remember. | ||
| He was reading a Zero Hedge article when he talked about it. | ||
| He could have been reading War and Peace. | ||
| I dropped him off at school with a book bag, picked him up in a body bag. | ||
| And then people said, well, he actually wasn't picked up in a body bag that day. | ||
| So technically that was hyperbole, which I was like, yeah. | ||
| Mr. Jones, there's nothing in Owen Schroer's comments about a body bag at all. | ||
| That must have been another clip then. | ||
| I asked you about Mr. Schroer's claim that it was not possible for Mr. Hesling to have held his son in his arms after his son was murdered. | ||
| Do you recall him saying that? | ||
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Objection. | |
| In the context of the body backstory. | ||
| Well, let's just play it then. | ||
| Let's just play 83. So Alex seems to be wanting to make the point, like... | ||
| Or the argument that it was exaggeration. | ||
| Owen was accusing them of exaggeration. | ||
| That's the issue. | ||
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Of course. | |
| It wasn't technically a body bag. | ||
| That's the whole thing. | ||
| Really just trying to clear up the record. | ||
| I just gotta make sure everybody knows this is all a big misunderstanding. | ||
| That's very weird, because if that's Alex's understanding, it can't possibly be. | ||
| No, no, no, no, no. | ||
| It may be something that sounds like, oh, maybe this will make us all sound less malicious. | ||
| I'll call it the Zero Hedge article. | ||
| I won't say that it doesn't matter. | ||
| What he was reading because he said things that weren't true and weren't in the article. | ||
| So they play some of this and then it comes up that shortly after this, this video that Owen made got taken off YouTube. | ||
| There was a strike on it. | ||
| And Alex is asked whether or not that freaked him out. | ||
| And that's a specific language that maybe should be assigned. | ||
| If a lawyer says, did that freak you out? | ||
| Do you think the lawyer says, oh, that freaked me out all the time? | ||
| Generally, that's not going to be in his vernacular. | ||
| No. | ||
| Now, on July 20th of 2017, so a little over three weeks from Owen's broadcast there, do you recall that YouTube removed that video? | ||
| I believe we talked about this earlier. | ||
| You refresh my memory of it. | ||
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Okay. | |
| And that freaked you out, right? | ||
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Objection. | |
| No. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| You were perfectly, you know, nonplussed by it? | ||
| I really don't remember. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But you know you weren't freaked out. | ||
| I might have been. | ||
| I don't remember. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Well, why don't we pull up exhibit number 107? | ||
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Uh, no. | |
| I will represent to you, Mr. Jones, that this has been produced to us as a text message exchange between Rob Dew and Nico Acosta. | ||
| And that Nico, on July 20th, texts Mr. Dew, AJ freaking out about the YouTube stream strike. | ||
| What's your ETA to the office? | ||
| You see that? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Does that refresh your memory about what your reaction was to this? | ||
| No, I just know I told people not to talk about Sandy, so I'm sure I did say, what the hell are you doing? | ||
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Oh, you think you were upset about... | |
| Owen publishing that video. | ||
| I'm telling you, I don't remember, but I know I didn't want people covering. | ||
| I told you that. | ||
| So, Mr. Jones, do you know that you rebroadcast personally Owen's broadcast that YouTube had struck? | ||
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You couldn't have been that angry, right? | |
| Objection. | ||
| I don't know what you're talking about now. | ||
| Yeah, I can't know what you're talking about. | ||
| Yeah, there's really no answer for me here. | ||
| I vividly remember so many Mr. Magoo cartoons because of the manner in which it was almost a Rube Goldberg that wasn't working. | ||
| He wandered through without being hit by anything. | ||
| What if he was dead and just got beaten by sticks for hours? | ||
| Chris Maddy, I'd like to introduce you to my lovely wife, a coat rack. | ||
| Yes, exactly. | ||
| What in hell is going on? | ||
| It's my only Mr. Magoo joke. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| He's married to a killer. | ||
| Well, they can't see very well. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| That's kind of the thing. | ||
| So the Las Vegas shooting comes up. | ||
| Now. | ||
| Strap it in. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| Alex has a conspiracy about this. | ||
| Oh, God, no. | ||
| The Las Vegas shooting was the deadliest mass shooting in U.S. history, correct? | ||
| Do you know what it was? | ||
| I'm not sure what it was. | ||
| Do you recall that 60 people were killed? | ||
| I do. | ||
| 411 wounded initially. | ||
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I don't have the numbers in front of me. | |
| Massive death, right? | ||
| Objection. | ||
| Horrible. | ||
| That's terrible, yes. | ||
| And on that day, just as you'd done with Sandy Hook, you indicated that it was staged by the government, correct? | ||
| Objection. | ||
| Yes, that day before it happened, I said, right at the end of my show, I said, they'll probably attack a rock concert or something very soon. | ||
| I said, probably 10 o 'clock at night or something. | ||
| I did say it before that day, yeah. | ||
| You said before the shooting even happened, you told your audience that they'd likely attack a rock concert? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Who would likely attack a rock concert? | ||
| The globalists. | ||
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Okay. | |
| So they predicted it. | ||
| I remember it was a Sunday show. | ||
| You guys, I guess, can go find that if you want to ride it to the other show. | ||
| But your testimony is you predicted it would happen. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| Yes. | ||
| Sorry, you've got to answer audibly. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And then because you had predicted it, you knew that it was actually staged by the American government, correct? | ||
| Criminal elements working with one of the other Saudi factions in a civil war. | ||
| Criminal elements in the American government. | ||
| Criminal elements in the American government. | ||
| We're working with the Saudi Arabian, a faction of the Saudi Arabians. | ||
| In which department? | ||
| I'm sorry? | ||
| Well, I mean, obviously, some elements of the CIA, there's different factions. | ||
| I'm sorry? | ||
| Some of those organizations. | ||
| Organizations within the CIA? | ||
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Yes. | |
| Which ones? | ||
| There's a lot of different factions. | ||
| Yeah, who? | ||
| A lot of different clandestine splinter groups. | ||
| What are their names? | ||
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A lot of those type of groups don't have names. | |
| Clandestine splinter groups within the CIA. | ||
| And although you don't know their names, you know that they were involved in staging the murder of 60 people at a concert in Las Vegas. | ||
| 60 Americans. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| For what purpose did they do that? | ||
| It was a way to embarrass Trump and do a test, and that's why Trump basically launched a covert U.S. invasion with Saudi allies on his side. | ||
| What? | ||
| And then took out the government, and then put the new government in. | ||
| He took out the Saudi government? | ||
| Took out the large faction that was involved, yes. | ||
| And he did that in response to... | ||
| By the way, and your source for this is what now? | ||
| I mean, a lot of this came out in pieces of the news, and I also know people involved. | ||
| Who do you know that was involved? | ||
| Well, that's media sources and things like that. | ||
| No, who was the source for you on this? | ||
| I can't give up sources in a journalistic capacity. | ||
| Mr. Jones, you're not a journalist. | ||
| I do wear journalist hat, and I don't give up my sources. | ||
| Well, okay, I guess we're going to have to move to compel you to disclose who your source was for this. | ||
| Oh, no! | ||
| Horrible crime committed by the United States government that you've described. | ||
| Well, pieces of information that I then came to that conclusion with, yes. | ||
| Okay, well, we'll move to compel that. | ||
| There's not going to be an answer to this. | ||
| I'm going to tell you, I'm going to be disappointed. | ||
| It was just Steve talking shit. | ||
| So what's going on here is that Alex is combining the Las Vegas shooting and when MBS took power in Saudi Arabia, when he held people at the Ritz-Carlton. | ||
| There was that purge in the government. | ||
| So Alex has turned the Las Vegas shooting into a prelude to that and then Trump orchestrated, I guess, a regime change in Saudi Arabia. | ||
| So, I mean, as somebody who has Alex's political set and his beliefs, he should be totally cool with that. | ||
| He should be totally fine with Trump secretly installing a different government in a sovereign country. | ||
| He's into that kind of thing, regime change and what have you. | ||
| And it's worked out really well for the things that Alex values in a free society. | ||
| Totally, totally. | ||
| So, it all was for the good, I guess. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| If I can get over, some of these groups have no names. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| The delivery is solid. | ||
| That is maybe the best way to answer that question. | ||
| There's no other answer, because you're either going to make up a name, or you're just going to say, I don't know. | ||
| But coming in with, they have no names. | ||
| Like fucking Batman. | ||
| Why would they have names? | ||
| You're a fool. | ||
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You're a fool. | |
| You are an idiot, sir. | ||
| You are the fool here. | ||
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You make yourself sound dumb asking for names. | |
| Duh. | ||
| Trump installed a new Saudi regime because he was practicing to do the... | ||
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Duh. | |
| I know that I've heard Alex say some of that stuff on his show and what have you, but it's weird to hear it in a deposition. | ||
| It feels like he really thinks that's how it happened. | ||
| That is a thing he believes. | ||
| His tone has more of a, like, ah, I think you're actually saying this than a lot of his other claims. | ||
| He's on comfortable ground saying this. | ||
| And I think it has the tone that he feels proud that he knows it. | ||
| Yeah, he knows this when other people don't. | ||
| Poor guy. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So the topic of Pizzagate comes up. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And Alex discusses this a tiny bit and then is a little bit wishy-washy about whether or not that shooting actually even happened at the pizzeria. | ||
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Oh, okay. | |
| All right. | ||
| Are you familiar with a gentleman named Edgar Madison Welch? | ||
| No. | ||
| Would it refresh your recollection if I told you that that's the gentleman who opened fire on a pizzeria in Washington, D.C.? | ||
| If you said that was his name. | ||
| Well, you covered that fairly extensively, didn't you? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And you had broadcast over many shows your claim that a restaurant called Comet Ping Pong in Washington, D.C. High-level Democrats as a site for sexual trafficking of children, correct? | ||
| I covered the news covering it. | ||
| I was nowhere near creating that story. | ||
| Did you ever assert to your audience that that was in fact true, that the Comet Ping Pong was in fact being used as a location for child sex trafficking? | ||
| No, I did talk about some of the people there, like Tony Podesta. | ||
| And others that are well-known for their taste in things. | ||
| And how was the restaurant connected to that? | ||
| They did fundraisers there. | ||
| There was a lot of art and weird things, but there was also stories that weren't true about basements and all the rest of that stuff. | ||
| And we picked up and covered some of those stories that were first on 4chan, 8chan, and picked up by the mainstream news. | ||
| We then debated and covered whether that was true or not. | ||
| Wild. | ||
| And that's what happened. | ||
| Whether what was true? | ||
| Whether or not that that place was being used for the child trafficking that is discussed in the WikiLeaks. | ||
| And your testimony is that you never stated that it was, in fact, being used for that purpose? | ||
| We did reports on it. | ||
| I know you did reports on it, but I'm just asking you what your testimony is. | ||
| Testifying today that you never asserted on your show that the comic Ping Pong was a child sex trafficking location. | ||
| I never said from my memory myself that that was certainly happening. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Amazing. | ||
| When you say you never said it was certainly happening, did you ever say it was happening? | ||
| Not to my memory. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But a gentleman named Edgar Madison Welch, Went and shot up that pizzeria, correct? | ||
| That's what we're told. | ||
| Oh, you have doubts about that? | ||
| You say shot up. | ||
| He opened fire in the pizzeria. | ||
| Do you agree with that? | ||
| Was anybody shot? | ||
| No, no one was shot. | ||
| I think he shot into doors, a wall. | ||
| Okay, so you agree that he shot into the restaurant? | ||
| I think he went into the restaurant, reportedly. | ||
| And opened fire. | ||
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Yes? | |
| That's what I heard. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And you believe that to be true? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's very bizarre. | ||
| That's a strange... | ||
| Level of just knee-jerk denial. | ||
| Yeah, that one's just complete, like, I just refuse to agree with you on principle. | ||
| Yeah, it's defiance for its own sake. | ||
| I'm Alex Jones. | ||
| I'm not just going to say this happened, okay? | ||
| You're going to need to really fight me before I will just be like, yes. | ||
| Yeah, I've walked into too many rakes today, and I've got to stand up a little. | ||
| So no, it didn't happen. | ||
| Yeah, you know, it interests me. | ||
| Prove it. | ||
| What he said, debates, is because I do feel like the more I hear them continually talk about it, the more I think that they believe they were having debates not on the show, but they believe their show is in conversation with the rest of the mainstream media. | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| I wonder if you're over-reading it. | ||
| No, no, for sure. | ||
| That is an interesting way to look at it from an outside perspective. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That is an argument that he could make. | ||
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Sure. | |
| It would be bad for him still. | ||
| Not a good idea. | ||
| No. | ||
| If he viewed himself as being in debate with the mainstream media or his perception of the mainstream media, then that's fine. | ||
| It doesn't excuse or absolve him of his actions even in the slightest. | ||
| No. | ||
| And it also is really surreal to have him saying that I was reporting on things that... | ||
| 4chan and 8chan were saying that the mainstream media reported on. | ||
| No, you just were reporting on things on 4chan. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's not like the New York Times was using 4chan as a source? | ||
| No, they tend to not do that. | ||
| They try not to do that. | ||
| It's usually a good idea. | ||
| But that is his perception of the mainstream media, I guess. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| It's a distorted thing. | ||
| It is a fascinating thing to me because he really does... | ||
| Normally, it wouldn't... | ||
| Makes sense, but I do think he thinks he's talking to the TV. | ||
| No, he thinks the TV's talking to him. | ||
| Well, that's your know-it. | ||
| You are correct. | ||
| Well, but here's the thing. | ||
| I think that you have an interesting, like, sort of textual analysis of this. | ||
| I'm doing a historian's job here, yes. | ||
| Yeah, but I don't think that's how Alex is expressing it. | ||
| I think he's really just trying to evade responsibility for the things he's saying by pretending that they were just talking about, like, is this possible? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, I'm sure he's trying to think of more like, you know, we had climate debates where we had an expert who said this, and then we said... | ||
| It's kind of just the standard evasion of, like, we just listen to all sides. | ||
| Right. | ||
| No, I'm trying to get deeper inside their brains. | ||
| Can you believe the people shit on us for having these conversations that are so important? | ||
| Joe Rogan talking to Matt Walsh. | ||
| We just leave out the part where there's other ideas. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's a debate. | ||
| Because those ideas are... | ||
| They're mean. | ||
| They're so tired. | ||
| We lose debates, so we have debates without the other side. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's the way we do it. | ||
| So, a really interesting line of discussion comes up, and that is whether or not Alex's audience should trust him. | ||
| And I agree with Alex here. | ||
| I want to just see if you can answer this one question before we take a break. | ||
| You want your audience to trust you, right? | ||
| You know, I just get up there and say what I think. | ||
| And I really actually don't try to get people to love me. | ||
| Hating me or any of that, I just... | ||
| Do you get them to trust you? | ||
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Objection? | |
| No, I'm not... | ||
| Is that a question, Norm? | ||
| A guy in a creeper van trying to get people to trust me. | ||
| I'm just out there firing all my guns at once and trying to explode into space. | ||
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Wow. | |
| So you don't care if your audience trusts you or not? | ||
| Objection. | ||
| No, I really don't. | ||
| I really just try to be truthful and just try to... | ||
| Some of what I do is having fun, some of it's satire, some of it's news, some of it's punitry, some of it's anger and rage. | ||
| I mean, it's just real. | ||
| So, I guess then, should your audience trust you or should they not trust you? | ||
| Objection. | ||
| I think my audience should trust God. | ||
| No, I don't think my audience should trust me. | ||
| I think my audience should research everything I say because I'm trying to tell the truth, but I'm a little crazy. | ||
| I think that his audience shouldn't trust him. | ||
| Yeah, I agree. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| Pure and simple. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Now, this introduces an interesting problem for Alex. | ||
| It does. | ||
| And so when you ask... | ||
| You know, this is just a great question for the lawyer to be asking. | ||
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Right. | |
| Should your audience trust you? | ||
| And if you say, yes, they should trust me, then you're telling them that these people are actors and, you know, they should just take your word at this. | ||
| You're misleading people. | ||
| But if you say no... | ||
| Then it becomes a thing. | ||
| Well, you were saying these people are actors. | ||
| If they don't trust you, but you want them to look into this stuff, where does that lead us? | ||
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Uh-oh. | |
| And so Alex just starts ranting and dodging because he realizes he's fucked. | ||
| He's in a trap. | ||
| Again, he got trapped by words. | ||
| I'm saying in general, like Ronald Reagan said, trust but verify. | ||
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Right. | |
| So go verify what I'm saying is what you mean when you say go. | ||
| Let's investigate. | ||
| I wasn't consciously trying to say that. | ||
| You know, somebody should go be mean to somebody, but that wasn't even really directing people to a specific place. | ||
| I know that's all part of your narrative. | ||
| Well, when you say, let's investigate Sandy Hook, you aren't telling them to investigate. | ||
| Well, there were people already investigating. | ||
| I was saying, you know, go to the city council, ask for documents. | ||
| That's your right. | ||
| That's what transparency is all about. | ||
| Some of those people ended up believing you that my clients were crisis actors and they... | ||
| Wanted to unmask them for being involved in a hoax, right? | ||
| I mean, there's been a lot of examples of stuff you guys have said about me in the news that I know is not true, and it's meant to make people hate me. | ||
| And if some crazy person shoots me, is it going to be the fault of you guys? | ||
| And no, it's not going to be. | ||
| That's that person and their actions. | ||
| It's up to them. | ||
| It's an authoritarian system where your neighbor does something wrong, so you go to jail too. | ||
| Or, oh, and again, the Democrats. | ||
| We're all over here talking about mostly peaceful protests. | ||
| Go out and confront people. | ||
| If Trump wins, we're not going to accept it. | ||
| And then when Republicans do it, it's the worst thing ever. | ||
| But Democrats, that's the whole thing about it. | ||
| What you don't get is everyone knows I've got problems. | ||
| People tune in because they know it's a train wreck sometimes, but it's real. | ||
| And they know I've got problems. | ||
| And I get delusional just like they do. | ||
| The left does. | ||
| None of us are perfect. | ||
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Some of the people who listen to you, they have problems too, right? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| They're crazy too, right? | ||
| And they're not sanctimonious like the left. | ||
| And they're crazy too. | ||
| Hey, what is a woman? | ||
| And they're delusional too, right, Mr. Jones? | ||
| A woman is a biological female of the mammal species. | ||
| No, I have to look at the camera. | ||
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No, because it's like you guys can't even say what a woman is, and you're telling me that you're not crazy? | |
| You know what's interesting about what you're doing right now? | ||
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If you're avoiding my questions, instead of just answering them... | |
| Ask a question, Mr. Jones answer the question. | ||
| Thank you, Mr. Pattis. | ||
| This all spiraled out of control because Alex realizes that no matter where you go with the question of trust, especially when he was saying trust but verify, and he thinks no matter what angle he takes, he's fucked. | ||
| It leads down a road where the lawyer is going to have him pinned down on something he does not want to be involved in, so he starts throwing around the what is a woman thing. | ||
| You know, because that is meant to elicit an emotional response in the person that he's talking to. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Get out of any of these tight situations with that shiny key. | ||
| And it just doesn't work. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, he might as well have screamed free Charles Manson. | ||
| Like, what? | ||
| I told somebody to do something and then they did it. | ||
| That's not my fault. | ||
| Well, by some logic. | ||
| I mean, it is so funny because he does suddenly realize like, oh, if they trust me, I said that they weren't real. | ||
| They were crisis actors, and then they went and behaved that way. | ||
| And if they didn't trust me, they went to investigate because I told them that they were crisis actors. | ||
| And I told people that we should look into this. | ||
| And you said we have to trust but verify. | ||
| How do you verify? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Screwed. | ||
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Yep. | |
| So they take a break, and it turns out that Alex shot a little video during the break. | ||
| He can't stop himself. | ||
| He needs to get some feeling back. | ||
| He's having a bad time in there, so he has to record something where he gets to yell. | ||
| I understand that during lunch break you made another video to be broadcast over your website about your deposition, correct? | ||
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No. | |
| Sorry, what? | ||
| Did you make another video? | ||
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No. | |
| Did you give an interview to the press? | ||
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Yes. | |
| And during that interview with the press, you stated that the plaintiffs had asked that your deposition be designated confidential, correct? | ||
| I just said I wasn't going to talk about the deposition. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Just listened to the interview. | ||
| And am I correct that you said that the plaintiffs had asked that your deposition be marked confidential? | ||
| I just knew you guys had asked for depositions to be confidential. | ||
| I've been told that before, not to talk about depositions. | ||
| Now you want it public? | ||
| I haven't designated your deposition confidential. | ||
| Okay, well, we want it confidential, just like you did the other ones. | ||
| Well, Mr. Jump, you can talk about that with your lawyer. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Why do you want the deposition to be confidential? | ||
| I know you guys want to take snippets out of it, part of your carpet bombing campaign, to bias any jury, and I'd like to have it presented at trial. | ||
| Or if you're going to do like Banks has done in Texas, I'm sure you will release it, select pieces of it. | ||
| Didn't Mr. Bankston publish your entire deposition to his website? | ||
| Not what they put on YouTube. | ||
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They put up edited versions. | |
| Well, Mr. Jones, yesterday you discussed your deposition to your audience, right? | ||
| I mean, I discussed the fact that you were denying there's a new world order. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Mr. Jones, you've been claiming... | ||
| To your audience for years that this litigation is part of an effort to silence you, correct? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But when you have an opportunity to give testimony in the case to defend yourself, you want to keep that confidential, right? | ||
| I mean, I think the depth is better if it was kept until trial. | ||
| We can ask the judge about that. | ||
| I think it's a side issue. | ||
| Also, I think Alex was talking about us. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Totally. | |
| 100%. | ||
| That was us. | ||
| We're the only ones. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| It's just us. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| So Alex quoted heavily from a piece about himself in Rolling Stone for his bio. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And so this comes up as Maddie is reading Alex's bio. | ||
| And there's something else in that Rolling Stone article that maybe Alex should not... | ||
| Uh-oh. | ||
| And so you obviously read that Rolling Stone article. | ||
| I did. | ||
| Now that I'm reminded, yes. | ||
| All right. | ||
| And so you're aware that that article also described a gentleman named Byron Williams who was arrested following a gun battle with California police and was an avid listener of yours. | ||
| Do you recall that? | ||
| I don't remember that. | ||
| So you don't remember that the article described Mr. Williams as a devotee of yours who was arrested when he was on his way to shoot up an organization called the Tides Foundation. | ||
| Can I read about that? | ||
| Can I see it? | ||
| Well, do you have that on your website? | ||
| You probably wouldn't have featured a fan of yours going to shoot up the Tides Foundation, would you? | ||
| Objection. | ||
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Objection. | |
| I don't see that part. | ||
| Yeah, no, no. | ||
| It's not on your website. | ||
| I'm saying, can you show me the quotes, what you're talking about? | ||
| I don't have the article as an exhibit. | ||
| No. | ||
| I'm saying you don't remember that part of the article? | ||
| Yeah, I'm not shirking what you're saying. | ||
| I'm just, the Ties Foundation's not a big thing I was covering. | ||
| That's Glenn Beck. | ||
| Sorry, what? | ||
| Yeah, it was more of a Glenn Beck thing. | ||
| Actually, Alex is right. | ||
| And that's such an amazing memory he has, to be able to recall so easily that Glenn Beck was the one who was obsessed with the Tides Foundation. | ||
| He is bad at this. | ||
| Alex isn't totally off the hook, though, because his conspiracy stuff feeds into Beck's, and Beck's whole thing about the Tides Foundation traced back to it just being another Soros puppet master narrative. | ||
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Right. | |
| So it's all basically the same shit with slightly different labels. | ||
| Byron Williams was also a reader of Infowars. | ||
| In his jailhouse confession, he said, quote, I'm actually mad at Fox. | ||
| I'm mad at them because they go on to something else. | ||
| It's like they drop the issue and it lands on a shelf somewhere to collect dust. | ||
| And that's what's happening to the truth. | ||
| It's going out and collecting dust. | ||
| I say you're not going to let these people get away with this stuff. | ||
| You can't let them get away with it. | ||
| So this was my action because of Fox's neglect. | ||
| This isn't an insane perspective. | ||
| This is the logical endpoint of the narratives that people like Alex and Beck disseminate. | ||
| This guy is expressing an understandable disappointment that these people who claim to have uncovered the truth and these grand conspiracies, they just move on to some other topic and they never actually do anything. | ||
| Seems weird, doesn't it? | ||
| Obviously it's not rational to shoot up a foundation, but it makes total sense for someone who believes in someone like Alex or Beck to get to the point where they've had enough with the inaction. | ||
| Why isn't anybody doing anything? | ||
| It's that tension state that Alex and Glenn Beck's propaganda is meant to keep people in. | ||
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Totally. | |
| And some people will inevitably break under that amount of tension. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's designed that. | ||
| It's a feature. | ||
| You're essentially telling me that the only way to save the world is to do something, and then the next day you're moving on to a different thing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| How is that possible? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it's like, well, yeah. | ||
| The problem is he's making rational choices within a framework of insanity. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Well, yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, Matty brings up Matthew Mills, the guy who Alex had on his show and then ended up harassing people at the Soto family memorial run. | ||
| And here's a clip of Alex failing to answer if he knew that Matthew Mills was a listener of his show. | ||
| I mean, I don't remember all the details. | ||
| I remember having a guy on that got up at the Super Bowl. | ||
| When you said, though, he's a listener of the transmission. | ||
| He must have told us that. | ||
| I'm guessing. | ||
| I don't want to speculate. | ||
| That's what you meant, though, when you said it. | ||
| That he was a listener. | ||
| I don't remember this. | ||
| I remember vague amounts of it, so I have to see it. | ||
| Well, are you doodling while I'm asking you questions? | ||
| I am. | ||
| Would you like to see it? | ||
| No, I don't want to see it. | ||
| I'd like you to just pay attention to my questions. | ||
| It's just I'm relaxing listening to you. | ||
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Okay. | |
| I get the feeling that you're not taking this very seriously if you're doodling throughout the questions. | ||
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Chris, I'm doing this just to relax. | |
| It doesn't take much brain power to doodle. | ||
| Well, I'd like you to focus more on applying your brain power to tell me what you meant when you said he is a listener of the transmission. | ||
| Doesn't take much brain power to doodle. | ||
| I mean, honestly, in my understanding, I think it is him being, he's better able to answer your questions, I think, if he is doodling at the same time. | ||
| Right, like if he had his blanket. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| He's a child. | ||
| He's a child, yeah, 100%. | ||
| And man, think about some of this other stuff, too. | ||
| I've been, I don't really know how to articulate it exactly, but there's this trend that I see. | ||
| Where so much stuff is about, like, they say we're bad people, or I didn't say to be mean to him. | ||
| The articulation and the way that Alex labels people as good people, bad people, harassing victims' families is being mean to them. | ||
| It's a very childish prism that he looks through. | ||
| I don't exactly know. | ||
| I don't know how to phrase it any better than that or give any more depth to it, but it's pretty consistent. | ||
| This doodling is just another amped-up version of it. | ||
| No, I really think if you had the pediatrics who have the stages of growth, like 0-2, this is about right, the 98th percentile and scores from 6-8 or something like that, you could slot Alex into the 6-8. | ||
| Easy. | ||
| I think an argument could be made. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, we get to a period where Alex is being made to read things. | ||
| And... | ||
| How's it go? | ||
| It actually reads better than you would have expected. | ||
| Oh, that's nice. | ||
| But this is going to be... | ||
| There's a little bit of like... | ||
| Some stuff that's kind of amusing, and then this will lead into something that is pretty tough. | ||
| And I'll give a warning before we get to that. | ||
| But just so you know, there's going to be an extended stretch where Alex is reading from the first responder EMT's report. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| And I normally probably wouldn't put it in, but I think that there is a value to it. | ||
| And I'll explain that when we get closer to it. | ||
| But for now, Alex is made to read a comment from his website, which he understandably does not. | ||
| Yeah, I imagine. | ||
| Do you see the comment left by BustaSpeaker 2.0? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Can you read that for me, please? | ||
| You want me to read random comments on the internet now so it's in my voice for HBO? | ||
| Well, it's not a random comment on the internet. | ||
| It's a comment on your website. | ||
| But, I mean, you could go to YouTube and find stuff like this right now. | ||
| Do I need to read this, Norm? | ||
| Is that how this works? | ||
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Like, I do, like, puppet stuff? | |
| The rules and objections is I can only object as to the form of a question. | ||
| I would say the document speaks for itself. | ||
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Is it necessary that you read it aloud? | |
| But, I mean, this is somebody... | ||
| Why do you want me to say bad things somebody in a random comment said? | ||
| That's just dirty. | ||
| Can you read it? | ||
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Can you? | |
| But I'm not the witness, and I didn't read this website. | ||
| Can you read it? | ||
| Can you read it? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So Alex goes on to read it and listen to the This is Amazing. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Sandy Hoax 2, year anniversary commemorative postings. | ||
| Merry Hoaxmas, Newtown residents. | ||
| Number two, hope all your Hoax perps are really enjoying your Hoaxmas gift houses. | ||
| Remember, Alex Jones did not read this when they edited it for HBO. | ||
| Number three, found Noah yet. | ||
| Lenny. | ||
| Trying using Kevin for your search. | ||
| I'll probably start the HBO show with this. | ||
| Founding Noah yet. | ||
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Lenny. | |
| Trying using Kevin for your search engine name. | ||
| Hint, he's not at Halbigs. | ||
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Four. | |
| Also hope all your aimless, roundy, round walkers have found your way home. | ||
| And number five. | ||
| Brought Emily a new dress yet, Robbie? | ||
| Again, I didn't write this or say this. | ||
| This is not me. | ||
| He has this idea that, you know, it was the same thing in the first day of depositions when he wouldn't say people's names, presumably because he thought they would edit it. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| In reality, that was covering for him not knowing anybody's names. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And this time, it does feel like he's like, they're going to make me say these things, and then this will be a sizzle reel. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| Which is bizarre. | ||
| It is indicative of how he would have... | ||
| He's telling you, this is what I would do to you. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| It's insane. | ||
| This is my business model. | ||
| I mean, yeah. | ||
| He's like, this is the way it's done. | ||
| How do I know that? | ||
| I do it. | ||
| That's what he's doing. | ||
| He's like, you don't understand the business. | ||
| And I would deserve it because of the tiny clip of Robbie Parker that I showed over and over again. | ||
| That's probably part of his mental processing. | ||
| So here's where we're going to get to the difficult part. | ||
| If you have... | ||
| You know, sensitivity about graphic depictions or imagery about the aftermath of the shooting. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Go ahead and skip forward, I don't know, maybe 20 minutes. | ||
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All right. | |
| This is a long clip. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But there's a reason, because something happens throughout it that I think is critical to keep track of and understand, and that is that as Alex is reading this... | ||
| Pay attention, because you can see him trying to come up with conspiracies as he's reading the EMT's report. | ||
| It's fascinating. | ||
| But also, really, the juxtaposition of Alex's voice reading this is really dark and grotesque. | ||
| And there's another added element of, like, it's really difficult to escape from. | ||
| The awareness of, like, this is what he lies about. | ||
| You know, like, hearing these details and just recognizing that this is the man who would take an event like this and lie about it is just really dark. | ||
| So anyway, skip ahead if you need to. | ||
| Yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and go to the bathroom. | ||
| Okay, fair enough. | ||
| For this section. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| I want you to read. | ||
| Beginning with this paragraph, I do not recall. | ||
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This is page 4 of 8. I do not recall if we regroup before proceeding. | |
| I do not recall if we regroup before proceeding, but my next memory is entering room 8. I just moved to the right counterclockwise and did not see anything. | ||
| Getting some distance around the room in the first direction. | ||
| I moved down an aisle. | ||
| Along the south interior of the room. | ||
| As I did so, I observed the bodies of two adult females lying on the floor near the west side of the room. | ||
| There was an open, partially open door. | ||
| The southwest corner of the room. | ||
| I initially thought this was a closet. | ||
| As I approached the door, I was initially unable to comprehend what I was looking at. | ||
| As I was starting to disbelieve, I recognized the face of a little boy on top of a pile. | ||
| The little boy was face up and was looking at a profile of the left side of his face, the top of his head to the west. | ||
| I do not recall the position of the body. | ||
| I then began to realize that there was other children around the little boy. | ||
| It was actually a pile of dead children. | ||
| I was able to recall specific images, but I recall that many had horrific injuries. | ||
| Other than the two dead adult females, there was no obvious signs of blood or tissue around the room. | ||
| My first impressions with the children had been That sounds weird. | ||
| No blood. | ||
| Wow. | ||
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Stepping out of room eight, I observed the rooms in the east were being evacuated. | |
| There were police officers in both directions. | ||
| I decided that my services were best utilized if I worked in EMS capacity. | ||
| Others worked to clear the building. | ||
| I have been active in the EMS Rescue Association. | ||
| I have held a certificate of EMT for 32 years. | ||
| You read this when this report came out in late 2013, correct? | ||
| Objection? | ||
| Objection. | ||
| I think I even... | ||
| Yeah, that's pretty weird that there was no... | ||
| I didn't see blood. | ||
| Because I've done a lot of hunting. | ||
| Deer and stuff are like mammals, the same thing, you know, similar. | ||
| A lot of, I mean, that was the interesting part there at the top. | ||
| And again, I'm not saying this report's even fraudulent. | ||
| Just with Dr. Patrick Whitehurst, one of the head guys of the FBI crime lab, saying that he knew people were just basically framing thousands of people. | ||
| That's where more of the, you know, a lot of the confidence is lost in government reports. | ||
| That's why it's normal to question them. | ||
| You're saying that you... | ||
| You read this at the time and questioned. | ||
| I don't remember. | ||
| I remember saying that. | ||
| That you read this report of Bill Perio at the time, and it caused you to suspect that this was further evidence of there being a hoax because he did not report the presence of blood. | ||
| Can I read that again, please? | ||
| No, I'm asking the question. | ||
| I'd have to read it again. | ||
| I thought that was just interesting. | ||
| Well, you just testified just now as you were reading this that, hmm, isn't that weird? | ||
| And you said that you were surprised. | ||
| He said he was surprised. | ||
| You're saying that in what you just read, Sergeant Cario said that he was surprised about what? | ||
| I'd have to look at it again. | ||
| I can't remember everything I read. | ||
| I can't see it again. | ||
| He says, I am unable to recall specific images, but I recall that many had horrific injuries, correct? | ||
| Other than the two adult, the two dead adult females, there was no obvious signs of blood or tissue around the room. | ||
| And my first impression was that the children had been killed elsewhere and hidden in the bathroom. | ||
| So he says other than where the two adult females were, he didn't see blood in that area, correct? | ||
| Do you know where the children were found? | ||
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I think it's at the bathroom. | |
| And that's where you'd expect. | ||
| Are you suggesting here in reading this, are you still trying to maintain for some reason that you think this report Is further evidence of suspicion because you think that Sergeant Kerrio didn't adequately describe the presence of blood? | ||
| Is that what you're doing? | ||
| He said he was surprised. | ||
| And that's what a lot of people, I remember that got discussed vaguely, that a lot of people said, okay, but there weren't. | ||
| Who said it? | ||
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I don't remember. | |
| He said he was surprised. | ||
| And I'm sorry, I'm surprised too. | ||
| Surprised at what? | ||
| I mean, if people have giant bullet holes in them, they're killed there, there's blood all over the place. | ||
| And maybe there is. | ||
| All I'm saying is that's the kind of stuff people cherry pick. | ||
| And that's what gets in people's heads, is being honest. | ||
| Were you being honest when you read this, that Sergeant Cario was an EMT and was working as an EMT in the building, when after you claimed that there were no EMTs in the building? | ||
| Was that honest? | ||
| Objection. | ||
| I'm just, I'm confused. | ||
| I was going off earlier reports when people said. | ||
| I'm just saying that's very interesting, and he was surprised. | ||
| Mr. Jones, you said in 2017 that no EMTs were allowed in the building, right? | ||
| Do you agree with me that clearly there were? | ||
| Objection. | ||
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Objection. | |
| He was surprised by the way the children looked like they'd been placed there. | ||
| Sergeant Carrier was surprised that the children had been placed there? | ||
| He said it looked like. | ||
| He thought someone had placed them there. | ||
| No. | ||
| He said, Mr. Jones, that his first impression was that the children had been killed elsewhere. | ||
| That would be placed there. | ||
| That would be placed there. | ||
| If they were killed elsewhere, they'd have to be placed there. | ||
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Mr. Jones. | |
| I'm not going anywhere. | ||
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Objection. | |
| I moved to strike a couple of things. | ||
| We're tired and we're... | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| This can stay. | ||
| I'm not tired. | ||
| I moved to strike. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| I'll just try to answer your question, especially again here. | ||
| Alex is just constantly trying to find ways to rationalize his actions. | ||
| Yeah, he's fine. | ||
| He's finding something that he thinks looks like one of his quote unquote anomalies in here that he can use to be as the basis of like, well, this is why it's reasonable for me to have done the bullshit that I've done. | ||
| And I don't understand how somebody can hear this description. | ||
| Much less be reading it, and that is where their brain is. | ||
| No, I mean, it sounded to me like when he read There Was No Blood, he was like, I wish I had known that. | ||
| That would have been really good for my... | ||
| Back in the day, that would have fucking killed as a conspiracy about this stuff if only I had done any part of my job. | ||
| Yeah, this is the disgusting version of that. | ||
| His brain never stops trying to find his angle. | ||
| It's so clear. | ||
| You can feel him thinking. | ||
| Oh yeah, absolutely. | ||
| And not just that, but it is so much like he is revealing that he didn't read this. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And by doing that... | ||
| It involves reading. | ||
| He doesn't do it. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| But it is just like, you should have read this. | ||
| And it's a revelation that he knows looking into the reality of something is bad for business. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| It's the same thing earlier. | ||
| I wasn't paying attention. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I didn't care. | ||
| I cared enough to talk shit. | ||
| I didn't care enough to read this. | ||
| Why is anyone holding me responsible for talking shit? | ||
| Right. | ||
| So Alex has crafted this in his mind as this reason for suspicion and reason for why it's justified. | ||
| All of his actions. | ||
| Look, there was no blood. | ||
| Well, I mean, in the immortal words, it doesn't jive. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Until you read a little... | ||
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Okay, why don't you turn to page six, Mr. Jones. | |
| This is a Mr. Cario's report that we've just been reading. | ||
| Why don't you start at the paragraph beginning my next recollection. | ||
| My next memories? | ||
| My next recollection. | ||
| My next recollection is that when I returned to the school, I went back to roommate, I believe Lieutenant Faganelli. | ||
| Followed me in. | ||
| I returned to what I thought was a closet. | ||
| I would really realize it was a bathroom. | ||
| I believe there was one or more gunshot holes in the door jam and blood splattered on the walls. | ||
| I began to realize that these children had actually been shot in the bathroom, not hidden there. | ||
| I also recognized I had to check for possible survivors. | ||
| I was prepared to check the room. | ||
| I recall Lieutenant Vaganelli standing behind me watching across some type of furniture. | ||
| TFC Kick was riding me with some software somewhere from the room. | ||
| TFC Carlo Guerra 420 had entered the room and was diagnosed diagonally across from the room when I asked if anyone had access to a phone. | ||
| Keep reading? | ||
| Yes, please. | ||
| Fuck you. | ||
| When I asked if anyone had access to a phone with a camera, As I was about to disturb the crime scene, I recall that TFC Guerra took my phone, but there was some confusion, and I did not wait. | ||
| I later learned that TFC Guerra took some photographs after I started moving bodies. | ||
| My images of checking the children in the bathroom are not clear. | ||
| I recall that the sight of the pile of children was unimaginable, and some of the children had horrific injuries. | ||
| I know that because I began to systematically check their life signs to remove the children. | ||
| I remember calling into the pile with the hope that a survivor would answer, and that I was watching and hoping to see movement. | ||
| I pulled the children out of the pile one by one. | ||
| And I did so, placed their bodies on the floor aside from the classroom. | ||
| I started nearest the bathroom and placed the children in the row leading towards the entry door. | ||
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i had no specific memory how many children are removed Did you see Sergeant Cario comment on the presence of blood spatter in that? | |
| Yes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So you have Alex. | ||
| Grasping at straws as he reads the beginning portion of this, trying to find things that he can present as anomalies, not realizing that a little bit later, the things that he doesn't comprehend are perfectly explained and horrifying. | ||
| And he'd rather make a cherry-picked anomaly out of it, because that's how he works. | ||
| Well, if he had read it, he would have stopped when he saw... | ||
| He would have got what he needed. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Same thing with Don Salazar and the chart that said that FBI says no one was killed. | ||
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Yep. | |
| I got what I wanted. | ||
| Get out. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And it's... | ||
| Dark. | ||
| It's really fucking dark. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Even in this setting, his brain can work that way, and that is just such a primary objective of his. | ||
| And then, I just, I mean, I know it's awful, and it's really hard to hear and hard to listen to, but there is a part of it that is, this is, in reality, the event that Alex lies about. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| The image of it is unthinkable. | ||
| Like EMT is saying, it's unimaginable and instead of dealing with reality, Alex decided to lie and exploit. | ||
| Yeah, the whole time he was reading that, I couldn't stop thinking about Jesse Lewis and Scarlett's testimony whenever she was relating the story of him. | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| lives you know him keeping people away from this story you know keeping them away from that yeah and it's just like to really hear him read it so blasé yeah so looking for something that exculpatory that that saves him mm-hmm Saves him! | ||
| And it's just like, it really fucks me up. | ||
| Yeah, it should. | ||
| It really fucks me up. | ||
| It's hard for it not to. | ||
| It is like... | ||
| It's setting records of cowardice. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| A reasonable person looks at that, listens to that, and just goes, a billion dollars. | ||
| Fuck this guy. | ||
| This guy needs to be stopped. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because he's not going to learn. | ||
| He's not going to learn. | ||
| No, I mean, that's true. | ||
| And I mean, I watched the sanctions hearing that they had, or not sanctions, the punitive damages hearing that Norm and Maddie did earlier this week. | ||
| And Norm was almost making your argument. | ||
| It's like a billion dollars isn't going to stop him. | ||
| Like a trillion dollars isn't going to stop him. | ||
| Yeah, he needs to be stopped. | ||
| No amount of money, like, but he was making that argument for, like, the fines should be lower. | ||
| Yeah, exactly, which is insane. | ||
| No amount of money is going to stop this person from acting the way he does. | ||
| So don't punish him as much. | ||
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You see his brain. | |
| You see that this is what he does. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| He can't stop himself. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| He cannot. | ||
| He's reading this, and he does not give a fuck. | ||
| He's disconnected from the humanity and the reality of it. | ||
| That's just, uh... | ||
| He's disconnected from humanity and reality. | ||
| Period. | ||
| You know? | ||
| It's hard not to see it that way. | ||
| So we have a little bit of content here left, a little bit of stuff to get through, but this is the end of the grotesque portion. | ||
| And the deposition day wraps up with a little bit of an argument about whether or not they should... | ||
| Keep going? | ||
| So Maddie's questions end, and then Alex's lawyer and the guy who I believe is the lawyer for Genesis Communications Network, they have an opportunity to ask Alex questions, but it's at the end of the day, and so they need to regroup or decide to keep going, and Maddie doesn't want to break. | ||
| And come back another day, unless there's a guarantee that Alex will appear for that. | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| So this becomes a little bit of an issue, and Norm has a standing appointment somewhere at 6 that day. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| So it ends with that. | ||
| But before that, Maddie asks Alex, he shows pictures of the family members, the plaintiffs, and asks Alex if he knows who they are, and then asks if he feels... | ||
| any responsibility for the pain that they've experienced because of his actions yeah and alex gets progressively more and more uh belligerent and hostile yeah well yeah because he's he would have to admit you know responsibility for something yeah and so this begins with alex just uh denisement Do you accept any responsibility, Mr. Jones, for... | ||
| The suffering you caused Erica Lafferty to experience in the aftermath of her mother's death. | ||
| Objection. | ||
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No, I don't. | |
| It's apples and oranges. | ||
| I didn't kill her. | ||
| I didn't kill any children. | ||
| And I really believe there were anomalies that I later learned were not correct. | ||
| And I corrected that and apologized at the time. | ||
| and I am not the Sandy Hook man. | ||
| Okay, can you guys next poll, please? | ||
| What number is it? | ||
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122. | |
| Do you recognize any of the people in this photograph, sir? | ||
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No. | |
| Do you accept any responsibility for the suffering you caused Mark and Jackie Barden as a result of the lies you told concerning Sandy Hook in the aftermath of their child's death? | ||
| Objection. | ||
| I did not kill their child, and I did not mean anything personally against them. | ||
| I thought it was like the WMD in Iraq thing, or all the other lies we've seen. | ||
| And so, with respect to the lies that you told, you don't accept any responsibility for the suffering those lies may have caused? | ||
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Objection. | |
| Jackie and Mark Barton? | ||
| For a lie to be a lie, you have to know it's incorrect, and I didn't tell any of the things I was wrong about on purpose. | ||
| Do you accept any responsibility? | ||
| For the suffering that your incorrect statements about the Sandy Hook shooting may have caused Jackie and Mark Barden in the aftermath of their son's death. | ||
| If questioning public events and free speech is banned because it might hurt somebody's feelings, we're not in America anymore. | ||
| They can change the channel. | ||
| They can come out and say I'm wrong. | ||
| They have their free speech. | ||
| Well, they don't have the ability to change the channel when people who are inspired by you threaten and harass them. | ||
| You've not really proven that. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I just can't, like, I don't know. | ||
| It's hard to listen to this all and just think, like... | ||
| How does Alex not think this has gone terribly? | ||
| This has gone as badly as possible. | ||
| It is looking... | ||
| How is it possible for this motherfucker to steamroll your life? | ||
| He can choose to steamroll your fucking life. | ||
| If it makes him money. | ||
| And then he'll say it was an accident and it shouldn't be a problem. | ||
| Well, I mean, that is great until he has to pay a billion dollars. | ||
| That's where we need to get him to pay that money. | ||
| I feel like optically, philosophically, even from Alex's own perspective, none of this plays well. | ||
| No. | ||
| It really is a terrible look of a petulant baby. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Who refuses to really own up and be at all an adult about his own actions. | ||
| So he gets a little hostile here towards the idea of taking responsibility. | ||
| Do you recognize any of the folks in this photograph? | ||
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No. | |
| Do you accept any personal responsibility for the suffering you caused? | ||
| Matthew, Carly, and Jillian Soto as a result of statements you made concerning the Sandy Hook shooting. | ||
| I've never said their names. | ||
| I didn't kill any member of their family. | ||
| I never said their names. | ||
| That's a no. | ||
| That's a no. | ||
| I mean, I refuse the false guilt you're trying to put onto me to destroy the First Amendment. | ||
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Oof. | |
| Oof, oof, oof. | ||
| The one thing that he doesn't understand. | ||
| And it makes sense, because if you've never experienced the consequences for something, and you always get what you want, why would you assume that your deflections and your attempts to get out of stuff make you look way worse? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Than if you just said yes or no, you know? | ||
| You can tell, like, he's always gotten away with it. | ||
| He can just wiggle out, he can get you emotional, and then he gets rewarded for it. | ||
| So in what world would he think that it's a bad move? | ||
| It always worked. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, it does. | ||
| And he can't recognize that in this circumstance, even from a crass... | ||
| Cynical, Alex's own personal motivations perspective, even for him sticking to his guns or whatever, acknowledging the people's pain and saying, I am sorry for my part in that, it doesn't hurt him at all, and it only helps. | ||
| No. | ||
| I mean, very literally, if in this deposition... | ||
| He had actually expressed remorse and responsibility in taking something. | ||
| Maybe it would have been $500 million. | ||
| I mean, who knows? | ||
| Well, see, here's the thing. | ||
| For him to do that, he would need to have a completely different mindset. | ||
| And having a completely different mindset might have made it $500 million. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| The sole act probably wouldn't make that big of a difference. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But it would be indicative of a whole different paradigm. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So we have one last clip here. | ||
| He's shown a picture of Robbie Parker, and he does recognize him. | ||
| Well, yeah. | ||
| So that's a little bit of a twist. | ||
| Do you recognize anybody depicted? | ||
| What exhibit number is this? | ||
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133. | |
| Do you recognize anybody depicted in this photograph, sir? | ||
| Yes, Robbie Parker and his daughter. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Do you accept any personal responsibility for the suffering you caused Robbie Parker as a result of the statements you made? | ||
| In the aftermath of the Sandy Hook shooting. | ||
| Objection? | ||
| I did not personally mean him any harm, but I am sad for his loss and his pain. | ||
| And I'm sorry if having to ask questions in this country hurt him. | ||
| But again, I did not kill his daughter. | ||
| That's why I cannot accept the responsibility that you guys have created while you're out there giggling and laughing and celebrating in the hallway about all the attention you're getting. | ||
| And you come in here and talk all soft and sad. | ||
| You're manipulating people that have hearts and souls out there with your cold-blooded political apparatus. | ||
| And so I will not buy into that fraud. | ||
| Mr. Tillens, do you... | ||
| Do you agree that your statements in the aftermath of the Sandy Hook shooting caused Mr. Parker Payne? | ||
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No. | |
| Sorry, I'll say it again. | ||
| Do you agree that your conduct in the aftermath of the Sandy Hook shooting caused Mr. Parker Payne? | ||
| No, I didn't even create the story or point it out at first. | ||
| I didn't cover it. | ||
| So it's just a refusal of anything. | ||
| And that isn't even in line with things that he's said. | ||
| He said earlier in this very episode that we're recording, I'm sorry for any pain that was caused to Robert Parker. | ||
| He's a good man. | ||
| This is just Alex recognizing the gravity of the moment that they're in at this point at the end of the line of questioning. | ||
| And him sort of feeling like he's got to be a defiant Colonel Travis type. | ||
| And it's misguided. | ||
| It's disrespectful. | ||
| It sucks. | ||
| And that's Alex. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, I just... | ||
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How it's possible for... | |
| You know, so many people to have read in so many different outlets, you know, Alex finally apologized for what he did or anything like that. | ||
| You know, it's like the only thing that an apology is is taking responsibility for your actions and then working to correct them. | ||
| That's the foundation of what apology should be. | ||
| And he fundamentally cannot do that. | ||
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Absolutely not. | |
| It is not a possible thing for him to apologize. | ||
| No, because all you need to really know about the penitence or lack thereof with him is when he reads EMT's account of being there, he's trying to find... | ||
| Rationalizations for his own actions. | ||
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Yep. | |
| For his own lies that he told about Sandy Hook. | ||
| What about this helps me justify myself? | ||
| Yeah, and that's him, man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Sucks. | ||
| He sucks. | ||
| Yeah, it is. | ||
| We don't talk about him in the same way that we do serial killers, you know? | ||
| Well, because we don't know of any murders that he's done since childhood. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| But I don't mean in the context of murdering somebody, but if you are reading a story about a serial killer, they're not going to be like... | ||
| And then he was like, oh, serial killing is wrong. | ||
| I got it now. | ||
| I'm really sorry about that. | ||
| Everybody kind of gets the idea that if you're already on... | ||
| If you're on body number five, remorse is probably not for you. | ||
| And I genuinely feel like that's where we are with Alex. | ||
| It's like, he didn't kill anybody. | ||
| And obviously the... | ||
| Well, yeah. | ||
| But it... | ||
| He's a serial killer! | ||
| I recognize what you mean. | ||
| There is not necessarily a point where he's going to suddenly realize that, oh no, the error of my ways. | ||
| Yeah, and he is probably in too deep for any kind of moment of clarity like that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Unless, of course, that is what he needs to do to try and make a redemption arc. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's the only way he could stay relevant. | ||
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Right. | |
| Pull a Glenn Beck, put on a sweater, talk to Samantha Bee. | ||
| Put it down for a couple of years and then get right back at it. | ||
| Right. | ||
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Yep. | |
| Maybe if there is a other motivation, he could appear. | ||
| In some way to have had a moment. | ||
| But I mean, even in this same deposition episode that we're doing, he's lying about breakthroughs he's had in therapy and stuff. | ||
| So he knows that he can maybe use that as some kind of a... | ||
| Like, I'm serious card, or whatever. | ||
| He's supposed to have, when you have a breakthrough in therapy, everybody's like, whoa, this guy's changed. | ||
| Instead, it appears that he was like, you're right, I am right about everything, and I should never take responsibility for my actions. | ||
| Good call. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Thanks, therapist. | ||
| So, we come to the end of day two of Alex's depositions, and we may do, like, another episode cleaning up day three and four, but like I said, they're pretty minor as a whole. | ||
| And after how this day two ended... | ||
| I think we got the fireworks. | ||
| Fireworks and more like... | ||
| It's too heavy. | ||
| And so, yeah, we'll do that. | ||
| And then probably Friday we'll check back in, see how the stream went, maybe? | ||
| We'll see. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| I don't know at all. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| But until then, Jordan, until we'll be back, we have a website. | ||
| We do have a website. | ||
| It's knowledgefight.com. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| We're also on Twitter. | ||
| We are on Twitter. | ||
| It's at knowledge underscore fight. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| We'll be back. | ||
| But until then, I'm Neo. | ||
| I'm Leo. | ||
| I'm DZXClark. | ||
| Hey, dude, have you read the WikiLeaks? | ||
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Nice. | |
| You gotta read them, bro. | ||
| You gotta read them. | ||
| And now here comes the sex robot. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| You're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
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I'm a huge fan. | |
| I love your work. |