September 8, 2022’s Knowledge Fight episode dissects Alex Jones’ promotion of Andrew Tate—banned for trafficking and misogyny—as "male leadership," while ignoring white-on-Black crimes. Jones peddles debunked Queen Elizabeth II conspiracy theories, pivots to defending 9/11-themed jokes with Chrissy Mayer (Capitol riot attendee, Bob’s Burgers guest), then mocks feminism via poorly delivered humor. The hosts slam the segment as racist, tone-deaf, and devoid of substance, exposing Infowars’ pattern of amplifying fringe figures for shock value over truth. [Automatically generated summary]
My bright spot today is that while we were recording our last episode, it was brought to my attention on Twitter that the all-star greatest civil rights attorney of all time, Norm Pattis, dropped our name in a court hearing about Alex's bankruptcy shit.
And I love the notion that there is something disqualifying about, like, let's say the plaintiff's lawyers appearing on our show or me being an expert consultant for that case.
Yeah, every time I hear civil rights lawyer, it's like, oh, man, I just imagine Atticus Finch with his pants around his ankle saying the N-word in an open mic.
I have been going to the DMV every year for, I mean, until they did the mailing things or whatever, but I've been going to the DMV way more than I needed to.
When my partner told me that, I was literally like, I don't want to participate in your underground registration ring that is run through fucking Western Union or whatever.
Thanks for joining us on this live teleprompter human transmission.
It's Thursday, September 8th, 2022.
And literally 10 minutes ago, before the show started, I ended an hour-long interview with now the most bad man in the world, one of the most censored people on the planet, Andrew Tate.
And it was an amazing interview.
He's host of the show.
He's been a guest many times.
He's come to Austin and visited.
I've gone out to dinner with him and his brother.
Yeah, he's a really smart guy, and they're misrepresenting who he is because they're scared of male leadership and his message of not being depressed and having a destiny.
So I'm going to air some excerpts tomorrow of the interview on the Friday show.
And then Monday, I'm going to Dallas to be on Steven Crowder's show.
But wow.
The first hour Monday will be the Andrew Tate interview in full.
It'll go into the second hour as well because we have 15 minutes or 14 minutes to add to an hour.
So we're going to try to air a close to an hour-long interview.
So when Alex does things like make a big deal out of interviewing Andrew Tate, it really just highlights how legitimate Alex is about his principles and how his business model isn't mostly desperately trying to attach himself to anyone he can get attention for associating with.
Tate is a real piece of shit, and all you really need to know about him is that he fled the UK to go to Romania amidst allegations of him abusing women.
There, he began to operate a webcam site where he'd have women lie to men to scam them out of money, which led to his home being raided by Romanian police, quote, following a tip-off from the U.S. embassy that a 21-year-old American woman was being held against her will.
This has now become an ongoing human trafficking investigation, which is totally one of the issues that Alex cares about very much and is super serious about.
Anyway, Tate is hot right now because he got kicked off all the social media sites and he was on Tucker's show to complain about it fairly recently.
On the one hand, he might have been kicked off these social media sites because he's a violent misogynist whose content breached various platforms' terms of service, but he might have also been kicked off for coordinated abuse of the platform itself.
He runs a thing called Hustlers University, which is basically a pyramid scheme where he teaches young men how to scam people about things like cryptocurrencies.
There are a bunch of allegations that through his following, he engaged in coordinated efforts to manipulate algorithms to boost his content with tons of fake accounts and things like that.
Point is, whether it's because of hateful ideology or because of abusing the platform, anyone would have plenty of reason to kick Andrew Tate off their site.
And at the moment, he's getting tons of attention, and his audience might be ripe for the picking now that it's harder to get Tate's content online.
So if I were Alex, I would see a prime opportunity to try and scoop up some of these disaffected youth that Tate is radicalized.
But you've got racial attacks going on around the U.S. that used to be 10 to 1 black on white.
Now it's 21 or higher.
And every day, a white man, a white woman, a white child is kidnapped, raped, tortured, and murdered by crazy racist black people.
And I got a bunch of cases of it today.
We'll be getting to a little bit later.
And I hate covering this stuff, but the media isolates it and suppresses it.
And then when a crazy white person, and they're out there, a bad white person goes out there and does something evil, man, it is the top story everywhere.
And every white person is guilty.
Every white person is to blame collectively.
Like if there's a mass shooting, every gun owner is to blame.
When that's horse crapper, when a Muslim runs over somebody, you know, 20 people with a car or 100 people in the case of Nice France, you don't blame the bus.
You don't blame the truck.
You blame who did it.
But they try to suppress when the Islamics do that.
So it's open season on white people by the ruling globalist white New World Order.
But I have case after case like this crazy new shooting in Atlanta.
I don't even want to air the video of the guy running around just randomly shooting women and you name it and then smiling when he gets arrested and is so proud of all the people he just shot.
He'd been let out by George Soros DA after a bunch of crimes he committed.
Then you have this individual in Tennessee that kidnapped the poor white lady teacher.
I don't care if she's black or white.
She's a human being.
Took her, raped her, and tortured her to death.
And because it's black on white, they're suppressing the story.
Can you imagine if a white dude kidnapped a black woman and went and raped and murdered her, it'd be on every channel everywhere and all whites would be to blame.
So first things first, Alex is just making up numbers when he says that the incidence of black on white racially motivated crimes has gone from 10 to 1 to 20 to 1.
That's just him pushing the white identity fear that essentially powers his show's ideology.
We've gone over this a hundred times, so I'm not going to get too deep into it again.
But what Alex is doing here is just pushing a very standard white supremacist talking point that many view as one of the most effective gateways towards radicalizing people into deeper racism.
Famously, it was lies about racial crime statistics put out by the Council of Conservative Citizens that Dylan Roof cited as being the thing that began his path toward carrying out his racist mass murder.
There was a black man who was charged with the murder of a white teacher in Memphis.
That's true, but it's not clear that it was a racially motivated crime.
There was a black man who carried out a shooting spree recently, but that is also something that Alex can't prove had a racial motivation.
He doesn't care about the actual crime.
He just sees any crime where the perpetrator is black and the victim is white as happening because the victim is white.
This is shockingly consistent in Alex's ideology over the years, and it's because he's a deeply racist person.
Also, to his point of whether or not there were white men who have kidnapped black women and how if that did happen, it would be the biggest deal ever.
I would ask him or most of the people in his audience if they know who Joshua Edwards is.
And the answer is likely no.
He was a member of the Aryan Brotherhood who kidnapped and raped a black woman in 2019, ultimately being sentenced in 2020.
I've never heard Alex bring that up.
I don't think that that is something that has been plastered all over headlines.
It doesn't appear that he's particularly interested in black women being among, if not the highest percentage of victimized groups in the fucking country.
He was sentenced to 30 years in prison in late 2021 for kidnapping a 14-year-old black girl who he'd met online, taking her across state lines and sexually abusing her.
Or Wayne Marcel, who paid someone $2,000 to take that same child from Fyke's home in Texas to Illinois, where he picked her up and took her to Connecticut explicitly for the purposes of sexually abusing her.
Here's the thing, though.
These are horrific crimes where the perpetrator was white and the victim was black.
But even in the case where the guy was in the Aryan Brotherhood, you would have to work to prove that the crime he committed was motivated by race.
It's possible, and you might make that assumption, but it isn't guaranteed, even though he clearly is a racist.
And these are cases that Alex has never heard of and fly directly in the face of the reality that he wants to portray for his audience.
If anything he said meant anything, these names would be household names, but they're not.
And the truth is, the real persecution in this country is the unborn.
And it's the exploitation of migrants.
And it is the murder and torture and killing of white people.
Because the media is out there in all these movies and all these TV shows saying that white people are inherently bad, white people are inherently evil, and they deserve to die.
So some sweet little school teacher gets grabbed at gunpoint in Memphis.
Yeah, we'll play her singing to her kindergarten students in a minute.
And she gets raped and murdered, and that's okay.
And the media suppresses the story.
It's disgusting.
And when they question these guys, they say, well, she's a white person.
She deserves it.
And I can play you the new Black Panther Party all day long in Houston and in Chicago and in Oakland.
I got all the clips.
Hell, I had these guys on before saying, don't mug other black people.
There's heavy coverage of the case of this teacher from Memphis, Eliza Fletcher, on all major media outlets.
When Alex says that the story is being suppressed, what he means is that he's mad that the media isn't covering it as a crime committed by a black man against a white woman because she was white.
This is also a classic white supremacist talking point that racist crimes against white people are intentionally being suppressed.
Alex deploys these talking points because they're effective and because he's a racist.
Also, that clip he's talking about from the new Black Panther Party, I believe, if I recall correctly, is a clip of Khalid Muhammad, who died in 2001.
Yeah, I mean, and it is, it is such like, that is the attack because it's the only avenue for that.
You know, so many of these people have to look around and be like, why am I hearing about all these racist white people and not enough about people who are racist towards white people?
And there's an obvious answer, but you can't do that.
So instead, they're like, ah, because they're suppressing it.
Ah, see, that makes way more sense than both statistics and a massive history of this country working together.
And if you want to look into these feelings that you have and maybe you don't find the information that Alex would be, you know, presenting, you should be able to find all this stuff.
But Rob, one of the producers, who just so happens to be black, came in here and reminded me of a great report he did in June titled The Brainwashing of White Supremacy.
And again, folks, they're setting us all up.
We're all being targeted for lawlessness and collapse and by these major cities, literally these DAs that Soros puts in, letting black people specifically commit crimes.
Specifically.
I mean, I'm talking murder, you name it.
I showed you the Illinois law where you can be released for second-degree murder after one day in jail.
I'm sure I don't need to explain that the Safety Act doesn't make it so black people commit crimes in Illinois, as Alex seems to be implying.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I do want to point out, however, that the idea that there are evil Jewish puppet masters who are getting minorities to attack white people is a hallmark of white supremacist propaganda.
I don't want to put too fine a point on this here, but this episode is extreme, even by Alex's standards.
The beginning is really chock full of white supremacist tropes.
But I wanted to hit some of the other news that's breaking and things that are going on, but the great Harrison Smith and some of his crew, some of his compadres, put together this new little piece called If I Worked at CNN, a little homage, A little farewell, a little boy viage to Brian Humpty Dumpty Stelter.
You know, it's not always easy being on the outside, being dissident, being scrutinized and judged, not having anybody tell you what to say or when to say it.
Sometimes I wonder, what if I'd chosen an easier path?
A more mainstream path.
What if I worked at CNN?
I'd be self-made man like Cooper, the son of a Vanderbilt.
A featured bullshit wrapped up in virtue with a steady dose of white guilt.
You might also notice that the first stanza of that song includes a reference to CNN pushing white guilt.
This is because it was produced by Harrison Smith's team, and he's much more clearly aligned with the young white identity folks like the Fuentes community.
So this is to be expected.
And is continuing the theme here of pretty racist content.
Yeah, we're going pushing racial buttons quite a bit.
I don't dislike this individual who's the new monkeypox czar.
Like one death in the U.S., end of the world, 99% of a gay man.
I don't hate this man because he likes other men.
I hate him because he's all part of this new ruling class where you have to either be a woman or be a homosexual, pull it in positions of power, and then the president is a white dude.
Czar constantly dresses up and is involved in satanic activities, according to himself, and a bunch of other really gross stuff I'm not going to say on air.
But I started investigating it last night when the story broke yesterday, and I quit investigating very quickly because I didn't want to go down that rabbit hole.
Man, of all the things that you might think like when you're on your way to med school, at the end, you're never going to be like, well, I'm probably going to be the center of a monkeypox conspiracy theory.
And also, I don't understand Alex's conception that you have to be a woman or a homosexual to be in a position of power.
You just, you know, I think I feel like that's a talking point he just deploys to attack the people who happen to be women or homosexuals who are in positions of power because he doesn't like that.
Our book actually comes out tomorrow, so we've been doing this through pre-orders.
And like you said, it just shows how popular these ideas are, and it shows how big our movement is.
I think one of the things that the enemy wants us to believe is that we're isolated or that we're alone or that the people that share our values in our worldview are very small in number, but that's actually the opposite is true.
We make up 80 to 90% of this country, and the elites in D.C. and in Silicon Valley and in New York City, they make up the small percentage of people that are running this country right now.
And their worldview and their values are diametrically opposed to us.
And what we saw happening before we wrote this book was they were trying to subvert this term, Christian nationalism.
What does Christian nationalism mean?
Well, it means you're a Christian, and it means that you're a nationalist.
What is a nationalist?
How can you subvert their neighbor as someone who loves their country?
So, you know, being a Christian nationalist is not a bad thing.
In fact, during our research of this book, what we found is that prior to the founding of this country in 1776, there were explicitly Christian countries for the first 200 years with the early colonies.
It is a big subset or a big set with a bunch of subsets.
Yeah.
So anyway, they want to create a Christian nation.
That's basically it.
And that is Christian nationalism to them.
And they're trying to.
The two things that they're trying to blend together are being Christian and being nationalist, which I think most people would view as like, all right, good for you.
Sure.
And being a Christian nationalist, which I don't think most people would be okay with, because that has to do with Christians being in charge of literally everything about how the country runs.
It's about understanding the historical bedrock of our nation.
It is grounded in Christianity.
And it's about waking Christians up because I think a lot of Christians are just sleepwalking through history right now and they refuse to get engaged in public discourse.
This is nonsense, and it's not religious freedom or tolerance.
Having a belief system like this strongly implies that at some point, if they wanted to, the Christians could stop allowing people to practice certain religions, and they would be well within their right to do so.
Obviously, if that happened, it would be because a particular religion had just gone too far and taken their Christian tolerance for weakness, or at least that's how it would be easy to sell it under this framework.
You remember how inalienable rights are things that can be taken away from it hard to believe that Alex actually believes any of this live and let live nonsense he's saying.
He's very consistent in expressing his belief that all Islam is radical and incompatible with the West.
He constantly yells about Satanists being pedophiles who drink children's blood.
He believes that atheists are secretly trying to dehumanize people from their connection with God so they'll be tricked into transhumanism.
He may believe that people in the U.S. only have religious freedom because Christians are nice enough to let them, but he doesn't want that to be the case.
If given half the chance, he would almost certainly try to outlaw these religions and probably others.
And it would be so easy for him to rationalize, considering that he's super clear that his enemies are all in league with the literal Beelzebub.
It was one children's book type thing where if I were an animal that asked a bunch of celebrities this, and then it was published in a bunch, like it was cited in some articles that Alex is claiming are a bunch of interviews.
And it is so weird that we can go from like, I think we're a Christian nation because Christianity is right to Alex genuinely being concerned about reincarnation.
Like, listen, man, I hope this isn't how it works.
The whole selling point of your religion is that you know what happens when you die.
It's creepy to the point where it's like that team that goes away to Bible camp for a week and then comes back and is like, oh, I've got the power of the Holy Spirit.
Of course, the big question is: will it be Prince Edward that becomes the new king, or will he not be bypassed, or will it go to Prince Charles?
Is that the I mean, Prince Charles is Mr. Reset, New World Order, World Government?
I'm predicting right now they're not going to bypass Prince Charles.
I'm making a prediction right now.
I may be wrong, but I think Prince Charles is going to be seen as the king of England.
He'll say something like, for two years while his son gets ready, I predict Prince Charles will be seated as the King of England and will fly the dragon flag against humanity.
Apparently she's hosted The War Room for Owen the last day or two.
Yeah, she seems fun.
She was at the Infowars studio and she tweeted a picture of herself sitting on Alex's desk with the caption, quote, my stripper name is Sandy Hook.
See, it's funny because Alex defamed grieving parents whose children were murdered in Sandy Hook, and now Mayer is willingly associating with Alex and using his platform to promote her stand-up career.
She has a podcast called the Chrissy Mayer Podcast.
And in just this year, she's had Alex Stein, that dumb troll, on twice, Owen Benjamin, Savannah Hernandez, and Brandon Stracha, who's a guest.
So that's cool, man.
One Infowars employee, one dude who snitched to the feds about his involvement in January 6th, one sexual assault troll, and one guy who's too much of a Nazi to be allowed to host the fourth hour of Alex's show.
It seems like there's plenty of blog posts, though, about how hard it is for her to be a stand-up comic who supported Trump and was against vaccine mandates and masks for audiences of comedy shows early on in the pandemic.
She also recorded an album, a Sandup album, called Live from January 6th, because, of course, she was there on that day when the Patriots took the Capitol.
It's so this restaurant wanted to have a 9-11 theme menu with some pun names for things.
But like some of the stuff that they were going to be serving on the anniversary of 9-11 was 29.77 chowder, which is a reference to the number of people who died and first responder flatbread, like because the building fell on them.
And I would have twin bongs with lighters decorated to look like planes.
Great.
But guess what, man?
As a complete idiot, 19-year-old edgy pothead, even I decided that it was maybe something that sounded kind of funny in my head and it was like a little subversive, but the act of doing it would be dumb and shitty.
I guess this person who runs this restaurant didn't quite make it to that point in 2022, or just felt like the viral buzz he'd get from the backlash was worth doing it anyway.
Whatever the case, this is meaningless shit, but it's kind of what you'd expect when a comedian comes on InfoWars.
You have attention-grabbing headlines from like the Daily Mail or New York Daily News, and then you riff on them in a way that's supposed to be about some larger point, but it's really just an opportunity to make some puns you feel are pushing boundaries and make you feel dangerous and anti-establishment.
It's pretty dumb stuff.
It's exactly what you were talking about, though.
It's like the InfoWars version of that Zoo crew radio trying to get people out to the hood.
Like if we were all, and I get flagged for this all the time, if we're just going to make fun and make comedy out of the happy times in our life, that's going to be pretty boring.
The name of that chowder and the flatbread, those are specifically about people who died.
And so, I mean, I guess you probably don't want to defend that because it's more fun for you to fall back on the we're making fun of the deep state being involved, even though you can't really back that up in any meaningful way when anybody pushes you on it.
I know the Democrats are pretty, they're pretty much freaking out right now.
And I think they're just trying to buckle down and hold on to whatever they can in case they just completely lose.
And, you know, I think they're just so scared.
But it's going to be interesting to see what happens.
Like, I know Lee, his last name is escaping me, but he is starting, you know, his numbers against Kathy Hochul in New York are higher than I thought they would be at this point.
So that's encouraging, especially as a New Yorker.
If you want a testament to the kind of grassroots involvement we're looking at here, look no further than the name recognition and advocacy Chrissy is doing for some guy named Lee who's running in New York and doing better than expected.
Chrissy doesn't seem to know his name until she's reminded later, but she's talking about Lee Zeldon, who's running against Kathy Hochul for the governorship.
Hochul became governor when Cuomo resigned in August 2021 and is now running for re-election.
And put simply, this guy like Lee is not putting up good numbers.
Hochul is ahead by double digits in the polls, and this seat is considered a very safe Democrat victory.
This is what you would expect, given that someone who's promoting his candidacy on a national media platform doesn't even know his name.
Also, I mean, the polling that has been coming out is looking pretty good for Democrats in terms of the midterms.
And I'm willing to admit that some of my sort of impressions of ways that it could go, you know, after the Roe versus Wade thing, I definitely had a perspective that it could have a negative, demotivating effect on Democratic voters.
And it turns out that that is absolutely not the case.
And I'm glad to see that.
But yeah, polling does look like there's a fairly decent chance that Democrats will do better than expected.
And I have some thoughts about the way that this anti-feminism or this opposition to feminism is expressed because I think that there's something here that isn't, it's not productive.
They're not supporting women to be strong in the ways that women are typically strong.
Like, they're not encouraging women to be nurturing or empathetic or compassionate or, you know, make sandwiches, you know, the areas that we really excel in.
Yeah, I do think that there's an interesting perspective that Chrissy is expressing here, though.
And the type of anti-feminism that's coming through is a little bit troubling.
According to her telling of this, she was into feminism in college, which she seems to characterize as her having short hair and not wanting to get married or have kids.
That's fine, I guess, but I don't think that those things, those are things that anyone who's being serious would consider central pillars of feminism.
Yeah.
Maybe you associate it with some people who are feminists, I guess, but it's not the core.
Chrissy also expresses that she believes that women are easier to psyop, which seems to imply that she herself was the target of this feminism psyop and that she fell for it, which led to the behavior that she's describing in college.
Thankfully, she's a comic, so she hangs out with a lot of guys who are less easy to psyop.
Through hanging out with these cool dude comics who aren't targets of a psyop, she was able to break free of the conditioning that led her to feminism.
Honestly, it sounds like what she's describing is that she took on a feminist aesthetic in college, and when she tried to get into comedy, that aesthetic was not popular with the men there.
So in order to adapt and be accepted, she adopted a new aesthetic that was more socially approved.
The way it sounds, this really doesn't mean anything about the validity or vapidness of feminism.
It's really just more about how many stand-up spaces are heavily gatekept by dudes who don't like feminism.
Incidentally, along with these right-wing ding-dongs on her podcast that she's had, described like Owen Benjamin, Chrissy has also had a number of sex workers as guests.
And I would suggest that something she might want to do is reflect a little bit about why it is that sex work is growing in acceptance in the United States.
What would the lives of the sex workers look like in a Christian nationalist country like the one that the person she's talking to wants to bring into being?
What are the things that you don't seem to think about a lot that are the fruits of the work of feminists over history?
It's, I mean, I don't want to be, I don't want to be dismissive or too like, too shitty about it, but I just think that this perspective is not really fully cooked, quite frankly.
I think, I think it's a little surface level.
So I think that this foundation to this opposition of feminism kind of, I just don't think that there's a strong foundation here.
For me, I mean, I was very much a brainwashed feminist in college after graduation, and then part of my awakening was realizing like, wow, I can't get this air conditioner in this window by myself.
It's so easy to be a feminist until you need something lifted.
And then I was like, you know what?
Like, men are not so bad after all.
Like, who's going to help me put this furniture together?
And that's just what the government wants to do.
They want you to be reliant on them and not another man.
And honestly, I give so much props and thanks to my fiancé, Frank Pellegrino, because like, honestly, when he met me, I was just coming out of my disgusting feminist phase.
It's a hack joke made by a dude comic in the 80s, and then Roseanne rose up like a fucking nightmare for these people and was like, and then I bought a fucking fan because I don't need, you know, like it was, you take it another direction.
It is a combination of the terrible writing that comics do for claptor and then also the terrible writing that they do for jokes, eliciting neither laughs nor clapping.
It's an interesting juxtaposition of perspectives.
I think that feminism is not about random hand jobs.
Maybe it's about people being okay with, if that's what you want to do, go for it.
You know, but it's not like in for, like, I don't know if there are feminist spaces that are like, someone's like, I don't want to give random hand jobs.