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June 20, 2022 - Knowledge Fight
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#693: August 4, 2003

Today, Dan and Jordan dip back to the past to check in on Alex's roots.  In this installment, Alex clarifies his position on the death penalty, gets all worked up about an op-ed, and dreadfully misreports the details of a 1982 bank robbery. Citations

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alex jones
16:02
d
dan friesen
41:21
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jordan holmes
16:12
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steve quayle
00:02
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andy in kansas
00:02
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Speaker Time Text
unidentified
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
Dan and George.
Knowledge fight.
I need money.
Andy in Kansas.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
Stop it.
Andy in Kansas.
Andy in Kansas.
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air.
Thanks for holding us.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
andy in kansas
I love your world.
unidentified
Knowledge fight.
alex jones
Not knowledgefight.com.
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
unidentified
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are.
unidentified
Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Dan.
alex jones
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Quick question.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot today, buddy?
dan friesen
My bright spot.
Jordan is the dreamy, creamy summer continues to march along.
Indeed.
And, hey, I got a cheers and jeers for you.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
Yeah, okay.
dan friesen
And it's to the same people.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Talenti.
jordan holmes
Oh no, you're coming after Talenti.
You're coming after Gelato now.
This is a different story.
dan friesen
First of all, I mean, it's tired territory.
They're impossible to open.
You have to cut open the fucking container.
jordan holmes
It's the worst.
dan friesen
This complaint has been made.
But, I was considering doing a Talenti week and going over all the flavors.
Sure.
Separating the wheat from the chaff.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But I realize there's some flavors I don't even really want to try.
jordan holmes
Like what?
dan friesen
I think there's one that's like a birthday cake thing.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you're not a birthday cake guy.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I mean, I had that birthday cake ice cream sandwich that was just like frosting flavored ice cream.
jordan holmes
Yes, exactly.
dan friesen
That was disgusting.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that was fondant.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So I abandoned that, but I did try two, and that's the cheers and the cheers.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
dan friesen
The cheers is to the salted caramel.
Layered.
Oh, I should say, these are all the layered ones.
jordan holmes
Oh, the parfaits.
dan friesen
Sort of.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And so it's got like caramel chocolate cups.
jordan holmes
You got a layer.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Good.
jordan holmes
Good.
dan friesen
Strong.
jordan holmes
Good stuff.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Then there's a peanut butter one that I thought was going to be great.
jordan holmes
It's peanut butter.
You can't go wrong with peanut butter.
dan friesen
It was quite bad.
jordan holmes
That's amazing.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
That's horrific.
dan friesen
I ate a little bit of it, and I am not going to finish it.
That's a testament to...
jordan holmes
Wow!
dan friesen
And look, I do hold Talenti responsible for this, because they made it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But, you know, I'm not too mad at you, because some of these other ones are alright, and the ones that I don't want to try, like birthday cake, I'm just never going to try.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
So anyway, cheers to you, but also a little jeers.
jordan holmes
That's fun.
dan friesen
Because that peanut butter one is disappointing.
jordan holmes
I've never had it.
Normally I would have had it, because I'm a big peanut butter person, but in ice cream terms, my partner, she's allergic to peanuts, so we never have ice cream in the house.
With that type of flavor, so I've never gotten it.
So it's good to know that I can just skip to Lenti's bullshit peanut butter.
dan friesen
Yeah, just to be clear, this is the peanut butter crunch one.
Yeah, the layers.
unidentified
Boo!
jordan holmes
That's a big jeers.
dan friesen
So what's your bright spot?
jordan holmes
My bright spot is yesterday, my family did a classic...
Platter of celebrations.
Little sister's birthday.
My grandfather's turning 100 in a couple of months.
dan friesen
Centennial.
jordan holmes
There's a wedding.
My partner and I got married.
Take your pick of what you wanted to celebrate.
We'll all get together on a day.
We'll bang it out and we'll get it done.
And it worked.
It was good stuff.
dan friesen
Good to get it all taken care of.
jordan holmes
Just bang it out.
None of this like, oh, we'll see you on Tuesday and then on Friday.
Nope.
Get it done.
We'll see you in four months.
dan friesen
Sweet.
jordan holmes
Yep, I like it.
dan friesen
I think a lot of other people probably would rather see their family more often.
But I understand your situation, and I know where you're coming from.
Yeah, that's good, though.
Yeah.
Was there cake?
jordan holmes
No.
unidentified
Nope.
dan friesen
Was there birthday cake, Talenti?
jordan holmes
No, there was not.
There wasn't even...
I think there might have been cake, but it was never brought out, and all we had...
We're just candles because you would assume they were going to try and do the hundred candles thing, but I think they just quit on that halfway through because there's just a ton of candles around and no cake anywhere.
So I think they just bailed on it.
dan friesen
Disappointing.
So, Jordan, today we have an episode to talk about.
Okay.
We are going to be going back to the past.
We're going to be talking about August 4th, 2003.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And there's some reasons to it.
Of course, first, Alex is still on his work vacation.
That he's been on.
So he'll probably be...
We're recording this on Sunday.
I would guess he'll be back on his show today on Sunday.
But we won't have time to flip that around until Wednesday.
So we'll check in with him when he's back.
Simultaneously, I think there's a Project Camelot episode that could be made.
But it might be too deep a well of crazy to get it done in time.
And, man...
I have lost my interest in Russell Brand.
jordan holmes
That is unsurprising.
dan friesen
I think that there is possibly an episode in, like, covering him, but he bores me.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, I saw Get Him to the Greek.
I'm good.
Yeah, I had enough.
dan friesen
I artificially convinced myself, like, ooh, there's something really fascinating here.
And the more I watched of him, the more I thought, like, nah, not really.
jordan holmes
No, yeah, do you know what it was?
He's just famous.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And I get kind of annoyed, too, because his videos on YouTube, They constantly have clickbait-ass titles like, So It Begins.
jordan holmes
Oh my god.
dan friesen
Stuff like that.
Just over and over again.
Like, you're a fucking joke.
Anyway, yeah, it's kind of boring.
jordan holmes
Yeah, terrible.
dan friesen
So we're back in the past.
And, you know, there's some stuff going on.
jordan holmes
I believe it.
dan friesen
Alex has some feelings about the Iraq War.
jordan holmes
Has bathification...
Is it re-bathification now?
dan friesen
No update on that.
jordan holmes
No, nothing.
dan friesen
The bath party is still in control.
jordan holmes
Still in play.
dan friesen
Gotcha.
According to Alex.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
dan friesen
And we'll get down to business on this, but first, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's a great idea.
dan friesen
So first, you won't believe which letter Alex can't pronounce anymore.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, Lance Pantsless.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much!
dan friesen
Check out next is a quick break so that Jordan can take off his t-shirt and nestle himself in my beard.
No idea what that means, but thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
I can fit, like, a pen or a joint in the past, like when I used to smoke weed.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
I could fit that so I could hide a joint in my beard and sneak it into a concert or something.
But a human, that's too much.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
Your chest hair, on the other hand, I could bury myself in that.
dan friesen
There's no doubt.
jordan holmes
Heartbeat.
dan friesen
Next, a little dabby for me.
Wait, why are we at the Capitol?
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much!
unidentified
Thank you.
dan friesen
And Candy and Ansys, thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much!
dan friesen
And we got a couple of technocrats here, Jordan.
So first, Henry, not Hank, but be that as it may, I declare myself the 74th Sorcha Fall.
Thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
And thank you, Dan and Jordan.
That's it.
That's the name.
Thank you.
You are now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
I have risen above my enemies.
I might quit tomorrow, actually.
I'm just going to take a little break now.
A little breaky for me.
And then we're going to come back and I'm going to start the show over.
But I'm the devil!
I've got to be taken over here!
Fuck you!
Fuck you!
I've got plenty of words for you, but at the end of the day, fuck you and your New World Order and fuck the horse you rode in on and all your shit!
Maybe today should be my last broadcast.
Maybe I'll just be gone a month, maybe five years.
Maybe I'll walk out of here tomorrow and you never see me again.
That's really what I want to do.
I never want to come back here again.
I apologize to the crew and the listeners yesterday that I was legitimately having breakdowns on air.
I'll be better tomorrow.
dan friesen
He's not.
Even in the past.
Even in the past.
I mean, that's not true.
Compared to the present, he's somewhat better.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
But there's a couple of things, actually, that get revealed over the course of this episode that are like, man, you've had some really fucked up positions for a pretty long time, and you've just done a pretty good job of obscuring some of them, let's say.
So we start off here on August 4th, and Alex is talking about a...
What do you know?
A gun bill.
No!
Certainly, this is going to be one of the most serious situations ever.
alex jones
I'm going to cover something that I went over several years ago.
I covered this three years ago on air during the election, and I informed the listeners that I would not be voting for Al Gore, that I would not be voting for George W. Bush, because they are carbon copies of each other.
When it comes to their actions, not their rhetoric.
And people had trouble believing the policy of Bush that he would reauthorize the assault weapons ban and expand it.
He told you what he was going to do to you.
And I had a lot of callers who denied it at the time as I would read excerpts of Lord Bush's speeches here on the air.
Well...
I have the NRA fact sheet here, and it's nraila.org.
That's the NRA Legislative Alert website.
And its most sweeping gun ban ever introduced in Congress, Clinton gun ban, reenactment ban, bans millions more, and right here, bans all, that's their quote, all semi-automatic shotguns.
They even have a link to the subsection.
Banning, I mean, shotguns that hold two rounds, folks.
Everything.
We're talking everything.
And I try to explain this to people, and I have been shouted down on radio shows by people that call in and say, I'm a liar.
So just keep living in your fruitcake land.
This bill has a very good chance of passing.
And I'm sick and tired of the total denial by you people.
I mean, it makes me sick.
And I'm not talking about our general listeners, but...
The types that are driving along in their cars, listening to this show for the first time.
dan friesen
So I was thinking about 2000.
Yeah.
And he's not going to support Gore or Bush.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
So, like, obviously he's not going to support Bill Bradley, who's in the primaries against Gore.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that wasn't happening.
dan friesen
But, like, he's not going to support McCain, because McCain was against Bush in the primaries.
So Alan Keyes was the other candidate, I think, in the GOP primaries.
I know that Alan Keyes and him have come together on some things.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And Alan Keyes has guest-hosted InfoWars in the past year.
jordan holmes
You know, that is the worst part of 2000, now that I remember it, is we didn't have that Republican primary cavalcade.
Debate stage, you know, where we had 16 different Republicans saying dumb nonsense at each other back then.
It was just three or four guys, and they were all stupid the same way.
dan friesen
Well, you had a number of folks, but they withdrew before the primaries started.
You had a bunch of people with exploratory campaigns and shit.
But yeah, it was just...
jordan holmes
Pat Buchanan was trying to run again.
dan friesen
Yes, absolutely.
jordan holmes
Of course he was.
dan friesen
Donald Trump explored the idea of running.
Yeah, we just had McCain, Keyes, and Bush.
Yeah, it functioned.
It's a little bit better, I think, than a hundred people on stage.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
But it's less entertaining.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
It's more informative, I guess?
dan friesen
That might not be what we're going for.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, that's right.
dan friesen
So this bill that Alex is talking about, this gun bill...
It did not pass, as has been the case with literally any proposed gun bill that's come up that Alex has insisted is about to pass and would lead to door-to-door confiscations of everything all the way up to a child's pop gun.
One of the great consistent trends you notice when you go back and listen to Infowars from the past is that every proposed gun bill is apocalyptic, and all of them are set to be passed any day now.
It's ridiculous as an act, and it's weird that it never gets old for the listeners.
Bush never did any of the stuff Alex is claiming he was going to.
He let the Clinton assault weapons ban lapse.
He didn't champion any other gun legislation.
But it does kind of make sense for Alex to think that he might, primarily because he's clearly just getting talking points from the NRA's press releases.
And in the interest of total fairness, as recently as May 2003, the White House had commented that Bush supported extending the 1994 gun bill.
The thing is that in the real world, Bush can't just do that on his own.
It would need to be passed by Congress.
Alex subscribes to a very narrow, strongman theory about the world, and thus, because Bush said he's in favor of one thing, it must be the case that it's going to come to pass.
After the 2002 midterms, there was a 51-49 Republican majority in the Senate and a 229-204 Republican majority in the House.
It was safe for Bush to signal support to the idea of gun control in order to sway independents to the right while being entirely comfortable that no gun bill had any chance of making it through either House of Congress.
It's the governmental equivalent of having your cake and eating it, too, basically.
Where he was going.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely I support this thing that I know is impossible to happen.
And I will never do anything to fix that.
dan friesen
I will sign this thing that is essentially impossible.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no kidding.
dan friesen
Sweet.
jordan holmes
I will sign this unicorn's face the moment you put it in front of me.
I promise you that!
dan friesen
Yeah.
In the 2000 GOP primary, Bush's whole brand was meant to be compassionate conservatism.
And part of that is not having this hardline gun absolutism.
jordan holmes
You would think.
dan friesen
An element of that strategy was probably informed by the fact that he was running against John McCain, who had a far more outsider character than Bush and appealed to a ton more voters that were closer to the center.
jordan holmes
And he had military history, so you can't fight him on that front.
dan friesen
There was no way Bush could win the election just off the support of the fringe right, so he tempered his conservatism as a strategy.
One might argue that he had some actual inclination toward reforming gun laws, but that seems like bullshit to me.
The NRA loudly endorsed Bush in 2004, and they actually strategically withheld their endorsement of him in the 2000 election, because according to the New York Times, Yeah.
it on the surface, they also, the NRA had a vice president who said that if Bush got elected, quote, we'll have a president where we work out of their office.
Yeah.
This notion is a load of bullshit, but Alex is taking at face value some basically political maneuvering that Bush is doing in terms of placing himself in a place where independent voters could be drawn towards him and there's no actual consequence.
jordan holmes
Which, though, is exactly what...
Bush would want him to do.
Like, that's the strategy.
Make Alex look like the conservative nutbag compared to your compassionate conservative nutbaggery, if you will.
dan friesen
And by rallying the, like, really far right in a certain direction, you kind of make sure that the status quo remains the same and that gun bill never makes it to your desk that you never have to sign.
jordan holmes
And let's be real with you.
Those right-wing lunatics, if they vote, they're still going to vote for him.
Of course!
dan friesen
They're not going to vote for Bill Bradley!
jordan holmes
When are they going to vote for somebody else?
Get the fuck out of here!
dan friesen
Yeah, they're not going to vote for Al Gore.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you can pencil them in whenever you want.
dan friesen
Ron Paul wasn't a factor in that election.
So, there's more talk of this gun bill.
It's basically one of his primary points.
alex jones
Coming up later in this hour, I'm going to engage in liberal, socialist, Evil on the air.
I'm going to warn you about the most sweeping gun control ever.
Again, that's not conservative.
That's bad, according to Ann Coulter and others who've been on this show.
A real conservative talks about mindless issues and how stupid Hillary is all day while voting with Hillary for gun control.
While voting for Hillary to invade sovereign, innocent countries.
unidentified
You have to vote with Hillary.
alex jones
Almost identical record and then walk around talking about how conservative you are to really be conservative.
If you're actually pro-gun or pro-sovereignty or against open borders, that is very, very bad.
And we're in the very, very bad camp here on this show.
And, you know, I'm learning how to be a good neocon here and I'm apologizing that I actually don't want to turn my shotguns in.
The most sweeping gun ban ever introduced in Congress, Clinton gun ban, reenactment ban, millions more guns.
H.R. 2038 introduced by Representative Carolyn McCarthy, does not just reenact or reauthorize the 94 Clinton ban, but the so-called assault and ban law.
It bans millions more guns, and it begins the backdoor registration of guns.
dan friesen
So this bill, HR 2038, was introduced on May 8th, 2003, three months prior to this episode that we're listening to right now.
jordan holmes
That was my birthday.
dan friesen
Hey, happy birthday.
jordan holmes
Yeah, thanks.
dan friesen
It sat in committee and literally nothing had been done to move it any closer to passing since your birthday.
jordan holmes
That's been a lot like my birthday.
dan friesen
On September 28, 2004, a motion was filed titled House Resolution 769, which sought to bring H.R. 2038 to immediate consideration on the House floor.
These sorts of discharge petitions require 218 signatures to pass.
How many do you think this one got?
30. 72. Ooh.
It's a little shy of making the mark.
jordan holmes
Yeah, just a short bit.
dan friesen
At the point Alex is on air pretending he's covering a news story about a bill that's a real threat to gun ownership, he should have every reason to know that this is a dead bill already.
This isn't news or analysis, it's manufacturing a threat to scare your audience into thinking someone's on their way to take your guns, relying entirely on, I guess, a press release from the NRA.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Great.
unidentified
Yeah!
jordan holmes
One weird thing about going back into the past so often is remembering that...
At that time period, I did not have the tools necessary to, like...
I don't understand how stupid and transparent all of this really was.
You know?
Like, there were so many things back in 2003.
I think I was in such a conservative family, after 9-11, I was one of those people who was like, yeah, 94% of people should support Bush.
It's a good thing I was 12 at the time.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
That's better.
dan friesen
Yeah, can't really affect the political process that much.
jordan holmes
Can't really do much there.
Yeah, no, no, no.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, I think, you know, I look back and...
I wasn't even in a really conservative family, but I would listen to conservative talk radio a lot, and with the passive nature of listening to it, yeah.
I thought Sean Hannity had a legitimate point.
unidentified
Sure!
jordan holmes
He had something to say!
dan friesen
Maybe not that he was right, but he means what he's saying.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Or I'd listen to Neil Bortz, and I'd be like, yeah, this guy, he's got some thoughts.
jordan holmes
Right.
I wouldn't immediately say, oh, these people are lying to make millions of dollars, and it's that easy.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
Yep.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
It's a different time.
It's wistful.
unidentified
It is almost like a cartoon.
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex has some big news about personnel in the White House.
alex jones
By the way, the Secretary of State, Colin Powell, is a globalist and is bad enough, but he's on the way out, by the way.
They're going to put another Trotskyite directly in that position.
Powell was the only one that didn't have a Trotskyite background, though he has a black ops background.
In Vietnam and in the Iran-Contra scam and activities.
Oh, before I get 100 emails that I'm racist, Black Op is a secret government program with secret funds.
I'll get emails.
What's this about?
dan friesen
What the hell?
jordan holmes
All right, calm it down.
dan friesen
So Colin Powell wasn't really on his way out.
He stayed in office until 2005 when he resigned, possibly at Bush's request at the start of Bush's second term.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
He was replaced by Condoleezza Rice, who Alex hasn't mentioned up till this point, and I don't know if he thinks she's a Trotskyite.
Also, it's weird to imagine that Alex's listeners are the kind of people who could be so sensitive to covert racism and simultaneously unaware of what black ops are to the point where he could sincerely think anyone would send him an email about that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Someone possibly should send him an email about his obsession with the mysterious secret Trotskyites and how that sounds suspiciously anti-Semitic, though.
I think maybe that deserves an email.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it would have been very interesting if Colin Powell was a Trotskyite.
That would have changed things a great way.
Great deal, as opposed to being a lying war criminal.
That does change things, yes.
alex jones
Yep.
dan friesen
So look, man, there's thought police out there, and they're going to be mad that Alex said black ops.
Now listen to this clip, because this is all in Alex's head.
It's fascinating.
alex jones
So I've got to watch it here that I don't commit thought crimes on the air.
I've got to be very careful in this politically correct world.
I could be arrested for what I just said.
Talking about Colin Powell involved in secret government budget programs here.
We'll say it like that.
I was talking about, well, like I was last week when Mr. Poindexter, the convicted felon, the old white guy, I said was involved in big black ops and black budgets.
I can say that about Poindexter, but I better be careful about saying Olin Powell is involved in black budget ops because there's no pun intended.
Okay, but that's the insanity of the thought police in America today.
dan friesen
This is all in Alex's head.
He's getting mad about imaginary people having a completely absurd response to something he's saying and portraying himself as the victim of these imaginary people.
jordan holmes
Somehow.
dan friesen
And here's the reason he's doing this.
Alex wants to inoculate his audience to the possibility of them hearing people accuse him of being a racist.
A lot of his content is flagrantly racist and he understands that on some level.
So he knows that it's inevitable that people who listen to his show will end up hearing things from other people who say he's racist.
jordan holmes
That is racist as shit.
I agree with you.
dan friesen
The goal here is for Alex to take a completely obvious example of something that isn't racist, but includes a trigger word that he can pretend someone will call him racist for saying, in this case, black.
He pretends that people will say he's racist for saying things like black ops, so if a listener hears someone accuse Alex of saying something racist, their immediate response will be like, oh, sure.
unidentified
Like how he said, everybody said he was a racist because he used the word black ops?
jordan holmes
Sure, yeah.
dan friesen
It gives them that kind of a...
Defensive posture.
jordan holmes
I mean, it really is exactly like how they think vaccinations work, where it's like, okay, I'll take a little bit of inert false racism and kind of make you immune to that.
And so then whenever the real racism hits, you're like, I'm already prepared!
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
100%.
dan friesen
Yeah, but I think it's more for them to be able to withstand criticism from their friends and family, who might be like, hey, That stuff you're listening to is pretty fucked up.
jordan holmes
Hey, you remember all the things that he didn't say about Jews because he uses the word globalists?
Imagine he said the word Jews.
Yeah, exactly.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, come on, buddy.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Put two and two together.
dan friesen
So Alex has a big news source, and this is the other thing that takes up, I would say, a large part of his content within the show.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
You have the gun bill that is not to be, but is the biggest threat in the world.
jordan holmes
Illusion.
dan friesen
You have a bunch of phone calls, and then you have this story.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
But jumping back into the news, thinking outside the U.S., and it's a lengthy Washington Post article that happily announces that our Supreme Court now is getting its walking orders from the European Criminal Court.
dan friesen
This is not a lengthy article.
It would be less than a page of text but it might appear longer because Alex just prints out websites and the formatting there could make it look larger and longer.
He hasn't read it, so he has no idea how long it is or what it's even about.
This is an op-ed about how Supreme Court justices have appealed to legal ideas from other countries or legal bodies in their decisions, notably about, you know, one of the things they bring up is the recent case Lawrence v.
Texas, which invalidated sodomy laws in the country and made same-sex relationships legal across the board.
That happened in 2003, and if Alex and his buddies have their way...
It will be overturned.
jordan holmes
I mean, it's on the Texas GOP's statement of intent.
Like, we're going to criminalize homosexuality again.
dan friesen
Lawrence versus Texas.
Texas is going to take that back to court.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh, man, it's so crazy.
They've got, like, a 6-3 majority in the Supreme.
Oh, man, that's crazy.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
And it is wild to just, you know...
Really wrestle with the reality that that decision was in 2003.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it was 20 years ago.
It's not far back enough.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's very recent.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, in a year that begins with a two, they could break into your home if you were gay and then arrest you for just being there.
dan friesen
That law would not be...
Yep, yep, yep.
Impossible to make in the US.
Nope.
Wild.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Anyway, Justice Kennedy's opinion included a point that, quote, the court's past approval of sodomy bans was out of step with the law in other Western democracies and made mention of the European Court of Human Rights.
This is not the same as the Supreme Court being told what to do by other international bodies, but it's a fascinating and really depressing thing to think about.
This op-ed makes the point that traditionally the United States has seen itself as the innovator in the world in terms of freedom and human rights, but that the country, quote, now has much to learn from the rapidly developing constitutional traditions of other democracies.
unidentified
Ooh.
dan friesen
We've abdicated our place as...
jordan holmes
I don't know if Alex thinks that's the same thing as getting your marching orders.
dan friesen
No.
And these examples that they use in this article are not like, hey...
The bedrock of my argument relies on a precedent set by this European court.
It's just pointing that out in the opinions of like, hey, also, everybody else doesn't do this crazy nonsense.
jordan holmes
It would be nice if there were more Supreme Court opinions that just boil down to, we're a bunch of barbarians, aren't we?
This is fucked.
dan friesen
Conservative legal scholars are largely opposed to even citing international opinion in terms of the Supreme Court, but it's important to recognize that this isn't the first time it's happened, nor is it really that groundbreaking.
Conservatives like Alex hate it, though.
Legal experts in this article aren't thrilled with the thing.
When the court starts taking things like that into account, it reveals itself as more interested in making policy than interpreting the fixed text of the Constitution or statutes.
That was a quote from John Yoo, the guy who worked in Bush's Attorney General's office, who's most remembered for his memos that he wrote, justifying torture in the war on terror.
So Alex is in league with that legal mind.
jordan holmes
Well, that's why he didn't take it to the Supreme Court, because they would have tried to make policy against him.
Oh, no.
Terrible.
dan friesen
Big picture, this is an editorial that someone wrote about an interesting thing to think about as it relates to the Supreme Court.
It's not hard news and it doesn't say anything or prove anything about the court being under the control of some foreign body.
Alex doesn't read any of the stuff he covers though, so he's just reading the headline and skimming the first two sentences and making up the rest.
to suit his purposes, as always.
But it also goes wrong, because he tries to read the article on air, and unfortunately it doesn't really go his way.
alex jones
Thinking outside the U.S., the Supreme Court is going global.
And not just in the sense that several of its justices have embarked on their annual summer voyages to European destinations.
See how it's cute and funny.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's cutely written because it's an op-ed.
It's written by someone who's trying to engage the reader in something less formal than news copy.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I sincerely don't think Alex knows the difference between opinion and fact-based reporting.
jordan holmes
Does not.
dan friesen
In 2003 or even in the present day, I think he still doesn't know.
He's legitimately trying to pretend that this op-ed in the Washington Post is announcing that the Supreme Court is under the control of international bodies.
That's one of his top stories and this is his only source.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's wild.
jordan holmes
Well, what they're doing is they're soft-launching it through op-eds.
dan friesen
I mean, if he made that argument, I would say that's stupid.
Right.
jordan holmes
But at least...
dan friesen
Well, but then it would be sort of honest about the point he was trying to make.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
It would just come off as like, are you fucking serious?
unidentified
Insane?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So unfortunately, he keeps reading.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
And the presentation that he's trying to make is that this is announcing that our courts are under the control of the European courts of human rights and what have you.
But because he keeps reading, he gets to the point where they talk about how a bunch of people aren't into this.
jordan holmes
Right.
And that doesn't go well.
dan friesen
Well, here's the thing.
He just ignores it.
unidentified
Oh!
dan friesen
He just pretends that he's not reading stuff that's critical of the Supreme Court considering European thought.
jordan holmes
That is powerful stuff.
unidentified
Yes.
jordan holmes
I did not know you could just do that.
alex jones
50, 60 articles here in front of me, and here's just one of them.
And it's out of the Washington Post, and they admit that the court...
He is following the edicts of several European courts and several global courts that have been set up, and at the end of the article they say, oh, well, it's because the justices travel more than they used to, and every summer they all go visit with their friends in Europe.
Yeah, folks, the chief justice and others have gone to Bilderberg Group meetings, and they're getting their walking orders, and...
The article that I'm reading from, and I wish I had a computer screen up on it because I printed it in the non-printer-friendly version.
It's hard to read here.
But it says, conservative legal scholars who regard the court's use of international legal sources as an intellectually amorphous endeavor that would subject citizens to the decisions of foreign legal institutions.
When the court starts taking these into account, It reveals itself as more interested in making policy than interpreting the Constitution of the statutes, said John C. Yu, a former Bush administration advisor in international law who teaches law at the University of California at Berkeley.
And it goes on to say, citing his words from the court's provision, the previous death penalty case, they wrote that they must never forget that it was the Constitution of the United States of America.
That we are expounding on where there is not first a settled consensus among our own people or of other nations, however enlightened the justices of this country may think they can be.
They cannot oppose that upon the American people through the Constitution.
And it's a bunch of other hyperbole.
jordan holmes
That's not the right word, sir.
alex jones
Globalism and getting rid of our sovereignty.
See how they calmly report and calmly announce in the Washington Post and USA Today and all their legal speak that, oh yeah, we're changing our jurisprudence.
We're going to follow the European model.
dan friesen
It's wild.
unidentified
That's not fair.
dan friesen
He completely ignores two minutes of him reading this article that's critical.
jordan holmes
He was the one who read it!
That's not fair!
dan friesen
No, it's not.
jordan holmes
You can't do that!
dan friesen
And that stuff where he's like, and then it's a bunch of hyperbole and they say it's about globalism and taking our sovereignty, that's not in the fucking article.
unidentified
That's not in the fucking article!
jordan holmes
You can't just say that!
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's legitimately unthinkable to me that someone could get away with being this transparently bad and doing what they're pretending to do and people just are like, yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
This guy's making sense.
unidentified
Nope.
dan friesen
If you listen to the words he's saying, this is convoluted.
jordan holmes
That is textbook abuse.
That is a literal person telling you something that just happened is not what you saw.
That's the definition of gaslighting.
It doesn't get more of that.
dan friesen
This article is announcing that the court is under the control of the Europeans, but also I just read two minutes of conversation about...
jordan holmes
Conservative legal scholars who hate it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
The people who are making the argument that I was literally making about this article are making it in the article.
dan friesen
Right.
And there's a whole bunch in that article, too, about how Scalia is really against this, people even citing European things as a reference.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Like, yeah, this is stupid.
jordan holmes
It is absurd to live in a world with the internet and then think that the Supreme Court is just going to never look out at other legal scholars anywhere else.
That's ridiculous.
dan friesen
So we get to Alex talking about death penalty stuff.
And this is one of the questions that I've always had with Alex that I think is, like, it's weird.
Like, his position on the death penalty has always been strange to me.
Because at times, he seemed to be against it, which makes sense, based on his sort of political and philosophical beliefs.
But then other times, he's been in favor of it.
And that's been confusing to me.
And in this clip, he kind of spells out what his thoughts are, and they're disappointing.
alex jones
Let's break down what's happening.
Three years ago, they executed two German immigrants, illegal aliens, by the way.
Who went into a bank and shot and killed three people.
And there were hundreds of witnesses in and out of the bank.
It was a busy bank.
They were caught on the surveillance tapes doing it.
The police surrounded the bank.
They gave up.
And they were given the death penalty out in Arizona.
And they were executed, which is a good thing.
I mean, when you got somebody caught red-handed with witnesses and video of it, I think there needs to be a high standard for the death penalty.
When you've got that much evidence, execute them.
I do not believe you should be able to go on and off DNA or FBI crime labs or government witnesses.
It has to be individual witnesses because the government is totally corrupt.
What?
If you have multiple independent witnesses added with videotape.
dan friesen
That's a really illuminating clip, because it shows clearly how Alex's position on the death penalty isn't based on any moral principle.
It's only really the objection that he has is that he doesn't trust the government with producing evidence.
It's not a moral objection.
It's strictly logistical, which doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
And it makes me think that Alex hasn't thought through this position very much.
For him, it should be a primary concern whether or not the state has the ability to take a person's life for committing a crime.
Yeah.
unidentified
Why would you want to vest that kind of power in the hands of the very thing you consider your sworn enemy and you think has been taken over by globalists?
dan friesen
I I could see Alex being in favor of the sheriff getting a posse together and taking out a suspected murderer before they're even arrested.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
but the position he's laying out on air is at odds with how he presents himself and his school of thought.
The things that he says would meet his high standard of proof, which would justify the death penalty, aren't concrete pieces of evidence.
Eyewitness accounts are notoriously inaccurate, so basing an execution on that seems pretty unwise.
Absurd.
unidentified
Alex should think that confessions are often suspect because they can be coerced out of...
dan friesen
So you wouldn't want to...
You know, necessarily use that solely as the basis for an execution.
jordan holmes
That is not concrete information.
dan friesen
Videotape is all good and well, but often inconclusive in terms of being able to identify people.
You know, it's probably fairly rare that that's going to be solely what you're able to convict somebody on.
Alex supports the death penalty in principle because he believes in violent retribution.
Yeah, I don't...
jordan holmes
I mean, his...
Like, I don't trust the government to do this.
However, I do think that a judge and a courtroom should decide.
unidentified
What?
jordan holmes
What are you fucking talking about?
dan friesen
Right, and it's this dumb idea that I think a lot of people in Alex's milieu have.
And I honestly think that maybe there's even a little bit of this mentality on the left that, you know, maybe isn't helpful.
But it's that, like, the government is somehow a thing.
Like, the government is people.
It's people who work in the government.
It's not like if you have a witness who is, I don't know, works for the IRS or something, they're still a person.
jordan holmes
Right.
No, they're the government.
See, what happens is they don't capitalize their names, okay?
So then they're beholden to the government because of $600,000 in liens placed upon their name.
At birth, as a maritime law, it all makes sense!
It's all coming together!
dan friesen
So the story of the German bank robbers is being a little bit misreported by Alex here.
This is about brothers Walter and Carl LeGrand, who were executed by the state of Arizona in 1999 for a bank robbery that went wrong back in 1982.
They weren't illegal immigrants, the way Alex is trying to present the situation.
They were born in Germany, but their mother had fled to the United States when one brother was four and the other was five.
They'd essentially lived here their whole lives, but they'd never become U.S. citizens.
The brothers were robbers by trade, and the bank robbery had happened just after they'd been released from prison for robbing a string of supermarkets in Tucson the year before.
They were trying to rob the Valley National Bank in Marana, Arizona, and Alex has almost all of the details of this crime wrong.
They showed up before the bank opened, and there were no customers there.
They didn't shoot anyone because the gun they had was a toy gun.
They did murder the bank manager when he couldn't open the safe because he only had half of the combination, but they did that by stabbing him 24 times with a letter opener.
jordan holmes
Goddamn!
dan friesen
They attempted to kill the other person who was in the bank at the time, too, who was an employee named Dawn Lopez, but they only managed to stab her a few times, which proved to be not lethal, but bad.
The police didn't surround the bank, and then the brothers gave up.
Another employee showed up and thought that they saw something suspicious going on inside, so this other employee, she wrote down the license plate numbers of cars outside.
When the Legrands left and the police showed up, she gave them the plate numbers and the cops tracked the brothers down that way.
Alex has basically taken a real-life case and transposed all of the elements of bank robbery movies onto it.
And that's what he's accepted as truth of what happened.
It's nonsense.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he believes every bank robbery is the opening five minutes of The Dark Knight.
Yeah, it's the Joker showing up.
Everybody in the gang murders each other at the end.
dan friesen
And then these Germans drove a school bus?
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
100%.
They drove it out, and even though there was dust on it, they got into a line of school buses, and nobody was the wiser!
dan friesen
I would rather if Alex just relayed the plot of The Inside Man.
jordan holmes
That would be way better!
dan friesen
Because that's confusing.
I'd love to see him try and explain that plot.
God, it'd be wild.
Anyway, this case is actually really, really interesting, and the way it played out in the courts is something that's worth talking about, and it intersects with Alex's ideology.
But before we talk more about that...
Let's see if he understands what happened.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Because he definitely doesn't understand the crime.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But then what ended up happening in relationship to their death penalty.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Let's see.
Here's how Alex explains it.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
They gave him the death penalty, and the court was about to hear the case.
Well, the Supreme Court, well, the state went ahead and executed him.
Because the Supreme Court didn't agree to hear the case first off.
Well, Ginsburg then said, oh, this is horrible.
In the future, we will follow the edicts of the International Criminal Court and the World Court of Human Rights and all these other kangaroo institutions that have been set up.
dan friesen
So that's what Alex...
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
That's how he explains this.
jordan holmes
So, Ginsburg, after this case, was like...
Well, naturally.
I saw the best minds of my German generation executed for a bank robbery.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
So then Justice Ginsburg goes, well, Constitution's out the window.
We gotta follow the EU.
dan friesen
We whiffed on this one.
unidentified
Oh, bummer.
dan friesen
Let's go ahead and just look.
jordan holmes
Let's just steal the Constitution.
dan friesen
So here's what actually happened.
On the day that Walter Legrand was set to be executed, Germany filed with the International Court of Justice, seeking a provisional court order so the U.S. would pause the execution.
The ICJ did give this provisional order.
From there, the Supreme Court decided that they didn't have any jurisdiction to hear this provisional order, since it was the state of Arizona that was carrying out the execution, and the federal courts can't hear lawsuits brought by another country against a state.
Right.
unidentified
A bunch of arguments flew around about whether or not executing the men would violate the Vienna Convention.
dan friesen
But ultimately, all of the U.S. parties seem to take the position that international law wasn't legally binding and that the actions that were being taken weren't actually violations of this convention.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Then, in 2001, the ICJ ruled that the U.S. had violated rules about consular relations because the LeGrand brothers were never told by Arizona law enforcement that, as German nationals, they had the right to contact the German consulate for help.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
They weren't informed of that ability to...
jordan holmes
Oh, well, bummer.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Though they did eventually contact the consulate, the delay was argued to have hindered Germany's ability to protect its nationals' interests.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It wasn't a case of Ginsburg just saying that we need to bow down to international court edicts.
It was a situation where the ICJ determined that the U.S. had violated an agreement that we entered into willingly with other governments.
jordan holmes
We signed it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And it's a bit more complicated than the presentation that Alex is making.
Right.
Obviously, because he doesn't know what happened.
jordan holmes
No, of course not.
That is...
dan friesen
Just kicking and screaming about the idea that people respect the opinions of other countries.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
Especially when it's their national citizens.
Yeah, yeah.
And Germany was probably like, don't kill people.
dan friesen
That's...
jordan holmes
I mean, we don't do it.
dan friesen
Yeah, and I think there is an interesting sort of...
Discussion to be had about the German nationals aspect of it, because they had lived in the United States essentially their whole life.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
So there's a technicality there, but I don't know how meaningful it is in terms of refuting the circumstances of the case.
jordan holmes
Well, in terms of...
And eventually how much people care?
It was very little, I think.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, this is two years later, and Alex has essentially forgot all the details of the crime, all the details of the court thing that happened.
It's just, hey, globalism.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Very dumb.
That's such a weird situation to have to have, like, six courts just argue.
Made-up nonsense back and forth at each other.
Like, no, no, no, we can't do this because of some dude in 1700s.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Arizona's gonna kill this guy anyway.
jordan holmes
That's so stupid.
Oh, man.
See, 150 years ago, we, yeah.
Sorry.
dan friesen
So, Alex believes that all these European courts and all this stuff, it's all kangaroo courts.
You know where that term comes from?
jordan holmes
Australia?
dan friesen
Alex knows.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah?
alex jones
They are kangaroo in every way.
And where do we get the term kangaroo court?
I got this great book.
Oh, boy.
It's Why Do We Say It?
You can look up any saying.
About 150 years ago, they would execute you for any reason in Australia.
And the British courts would have juries under the Magna Carta, but they would go out and appoint the juries.
It would always be the police and government officials on the jury.
And so the people of the island nation began to say it would be better if they just had a group of kangaroos.
It's a kangaroo court.
Anyway, side issue.
jordan holmes
I love that book.
alex jones
It's over there on the bookshelf in the studio.
Why do we say it?
It's interesting.
jordan holmes
He loves that book.
Yes, I've read all of Carol Quigley's, but I really get excited for toilet reading.
That's what I'm here for, baby!
dan friesen
Man, that's exactly how I would characterize this book.
It's a bathroom reader.
alex jones
Yeah, this is a bathroom book.
dan friesen
This is not where kangaroo court comes from.
It's an expression with a definite American origin, although the kangaroo itself is deeply associated with Australia.
unidentified
Well, sure, sure.
dan friesen
So even you, when you were just randomly guessing, I guess it's Australia.
unidentified
Yeah, why not?
jordan holmes
Yeah, throw it out there.
dan friesen
So there's a number of theories about how this term came to popularity, but none of them are close to what Alex is saying.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
One is that in the early 1800s, there were corrupt courts in an area of Vicksburg, Mississippi called the Kangaroo District.
And so the name stuck from that.
That's one of the theories that people believe.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Another theory is that the term comes from the characterization of these courts jumping to conclusions, much like a kangaroo would.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
The third idea has to do with these, there were amateur trials that were being held in the California Gold Rush.
jordan holmes
Yeah, like AAA trials.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they weren't ready for the big leagues yet.
dan friesen
Yeah.
These were primarily for prosecuting claim jumpers.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And so there was the association.
Sure, sure, sure.
There.
But the point is that Alex is taking his history from a bathroom reading.
jordan holmes
So none of these involve the fucking Magna Carta.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
That's what we're saying.
dan friesen
Also, Alex shouldn't care about the Magna Carta.
jordan holmes
I know, what are we doing?
dan friesen
Why is he appealing to a non-American constitution document?
unidentified
I don't know.
dan friesen
He might as well be on air opining about how 13 states make it illegal to ride a horse on Tuesday or whatever dumb shit's in those books.
He's a fucking child.
unidentified
Yep, yep.
jordan holmes
Did you know that in this county you're unable to yell after 10 p.m. according to...
And you're like, who cares?
dan friesen
Fuck you!
That's the level of source he's relying on for history lessons.
So Alex takes some calls.
And one of them, this guy, he...
He suggests that it's normal to feel helpless in the circumstances in the world that are going on.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
But there's one way to fight it, and that's by promoting Alex.
jordan holmes
There we go.
dan friesen
And then we get a little bit of a cameo by a very special animal.
unidentified
Well, I tell you, until this happens, I'm going to continue going to website, or rather going to chat rooms, and pasting Infowars and Prison Planet and handing out your website to people who I meet in work.
But, you know, I guess that's really all we can do.
alex jones
Sounds like you've got a neocon in the background, Joe.
unidentified
That's my power.
Actually, I guess it is a neocon, yeah.
dan friesen
Haha, neocon parrot.
jordan holmes
That's funny.
I appreciate that.
dan friesen
It's not very funny.
jordan holmes
No, no, but it would be a lower-tier SNL sketch, for sure.
dan friesen
I guess the joke is that neocons just repeat things.
jordan holmes
I would assume so.
dan friesen
I guess that's probably what they're going for.
That's not the first time that the parrot interrupted the call, by the way.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
Anyway, weird.
And it's just this sort of consistent thing where the solution is always promote Alex.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
The ways that you can fight off despair or really stick it to the globalists or do things that bring more people into my revenue stream.
jordan holmes
Yeah, does that make them feel like they're doing what...
I mean, it must!
It must give them that feeling of, I am doing something to fight the globalists.
dan friesen
And it's not just like me...
Being part of a multi-level marketing thing, basically.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's not me propping up a propagandist.
dan friesen
Yeah, and I think the reason is because Alex does all that stuff about how, like, hey, my movies have a 90% success rate in waking people up.
They must think, like, well, the wider we get this message, the more people will wake up, as opposed to the more people will give Alex ratings and buy his dumb shit.
So Alex gets another call from a guy who is anti-NRA now.
unidentified
It's nice to know that these guys were for us, but now it's like, eh, we'll hang you out to dry like a piece of dirty laundry.
I mean, I love America now.
I mean, there's better groups out there who are willing to fight for our gun rights, and you're one of them who's greater than all of us, who's showing us what's going on, and a lot of people are really blind to what's going on, too.
I mean, it's like, well, it's not a bit.
alex jones
Let me tell you something, Mark.
I'm not greater than the folks out there.
A lot of people are smarter than I am.
They're more articulate.
They're more educated.
And they're not being the leaders they should be.
We need them to stand up and fight this thing.
dan friesen
This caller really illustrates how helpless Alex has made his listeners.
Everything Alex has covered so far on this episode is completely fake and based on nothing.
His whole riff about the courts being told what to do by foreign international legal bodies is a load of shit based on him making things up about an op-ed that he didn't read.
The entire fear about gun confiscation is based on a bill that's languishing in committee for the last three months with no actions taken.
He's done nothing but misinform, and yet this caller experiences what It's really a testament to the power of branding.
What's really remarkable, though, is that this caller is saying that Alex is a hero in informing the people about threats to their gun rights and that the NRA is not a good organization for gun defense.
But, if you've been paying attention, the source Alex is basing his entire coverage of Bush intending to re-up the assault weapons ban, he's basing it on a legislative action press release put out by the NRA.
He's relying on them for talking points, and yet he and his callers are pretending like they're not doing anything to support gun rights.
It's wild.
It's ludicrous.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it is interesting to me, and also intensely disappointing and horrific, but it does feel like all of the buttons that they've been pushing for, like...
The past 50 years.
All of the conservative buttons that get people to do things that, like, okay, so not only do we just want people to support us, we want certain people that do support us to vocally say that they don't support us.
And all of these buttons can be pressed, and the only thing that's different is just they press them a lot harder now.
You know?
Like, they haven't developed new techniques.
dan friesen
They're jamming them down.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
They're just, ah!
They're mad at a video game level smashing these buttons.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I think it's interesting to be able to go back and see the more finesse time.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex gets another caller.
And this call just depressed the shit out of me.
unidentified
Some people, I mean, he was looking right at the eye and they're like, oh, what's this?
I mean, over this weekend I went to a place to do a little business.
I was talking to some people there about what was going on and happening, and I got one guy to look up your website.
I'll find out later.
And another man that was there, I talked to him earlier, about a year later, and his eyes kind of lit up like, I remember you.
You were telling me about what was going on and so forth.
I had to go see a shrink.
I looked at him like, how much did you pay?
I told you what was going on.
I told you what was happening.
This guy took your brain, took it out.
alex jones
Oh, no, no, no, no, no.
He had a problem in the Brave New World.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
alex jones
When you're upset, you go and they give you Soma.
unidentified
Oh, yeah, you're right.
dan friesen
That is such a bummer.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
If you believe this caller, he ran into somebody who a year prior he had gotten into InfoWars-type material, and the guy was like, I had to go to therapy.
And then this is like, oh, no.
It's a sign of weakness that this guy ended up...
Mm-hmm.
Because probably, you know, this is indicative of somebody who got into this and it just went down a terrible rabbit hole.
Yeah.
unidentified
And he got himself out of it.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean.
dan friesen
It's actually a very encouraging story.
jordan holmes
interpretation that's being given here that is the depressing part yeah that is the people who left the cult and they're they're like oh i can't believe those apostates how could they do that how could they go get therapy and live well-developed lives yeah Yeah.
Yeah.
unidentified
ugh Terrible.
dan friesen
Bummer.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I mean, like, on a real level, the damage that this is also doing is encouraging people who are listening to experience any instinct to veer away from InfoWars as that.
They're going to get Soma.
jordan holmes
And not just that.
Any help.
It doesn't necessarily mean, you know, Infowars help.
It could just be like, hey man, I have been really depressed for the past, and they're like, nope, don't go to a therapist.
They'll dig out your brain.
dan friesen
Yeah, they might try and get you off the Infowar.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you know why you're depressed?
You're not Infowaring enough.
dan friesen
You need to promote Alex more.
jordan holmes
You need to promote Alex more.
dan friesen
Yeah, that'll solve it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's like prayer for Jesus, but it's for Alex, and he gets rich.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Alex has a weird analogy that he makes.
That he thinks he can use to deprogram leftists who are against guns.
jordan holmes
Oh man, I'm scared.
What if he gets me?
dan friesen
He's not.
He's not going to.
And then he has one of the saddest, weirdest ads I've heard in a long time.
alex jones
The gun is a canary in the coal mine.
The gun is a symptom of a free society.
When you're in a Nazi Germany or a Stalinist Russia or a Caesar's Rome or a Fidel Castro's Cuba, you don't have armed citizens.
You have an armed government.
With a monopoly of force.
And I'm able to deprogram leftists by explaining this to them.
I go, would an American Indian be allowed to have a rifle?
Or should, while they're being oppressed and killed, should they have their gun taken?
And they'll go, oh, of course not.
Well, now you get it.
So shut up!
And look at the facts and then speak out once you know the reality that swimming pools and cars kill far more people than guns do and you've been manipulated by the corporate media.
If they get our guns, you people, it's all over for everybody.
All right, I'm going to break.
We'll come back and go to the calls.
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dan friesen
He can't describe all the things they do.
He can't describe any of the things they do.
jordan holmes
He looked like, he sounded like what he was trying to do was get out of describing any of the things they do.
dan friesen
He had no idea.
jordan holmes
He was reading and he's like, ah, this is too long.
dan friesen
In the moment, he had no idea what he was supposed to be selling, so he was trying to sell you how great the pamphlet was.
jordan holmes
Just whatever.
dan friesen
Oh, look at the color in it.
Oh, so many pages.
jordan holmes
I mean, it's almost an anti-ad where he's like, he wanted to say like, This is too many pages to sell a good product.
I'm going to be honest with you.
dan friesen
It's actually such a bad commercial that he comes back from break doing another commercial.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
They called him.
dan friesen
Fixing it and being like, oh, you can get classes.
Saying some actual specifics.
So did he get you?
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, here's the problem with that argument.
It's not that simple.
dan friesen
It's also not analogous at all.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
But what do you mean?
jordan holmes
Well, here's what I was thinking.
I was just thinking that Roman centurions did not have guns to begin with.
dan friesen
True.
jordan holmes
So that was a big problem.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
All right.
And then second, yes, a lot of people were fucking armed in Rome.
It's just a lot harder when it's a sword.
dan friesen
But what about the Native American example?
jordan holmes
What about the Native American example?
I'm going to throw this out at you.
Maybe the problem.
Is not fundamentally that they don't have guns.
dan friesen
True.
jordan holmes
Maybe there's a deeper problem.
A more systemic problem.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And this is where I kind of come to my point about it not being analogous.
Because there was an active genocide.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they were trying.
dan friesen
There was a campaign of that against the people who had existed and lived here prior to the colonists coming over.
And that's not happening to Alex and his dumb militia friends.
unidentified
No, no, no.
jordan holmes
There are zero...
Bounties out on all white people.
dan friesen
Right.
And I think if that were the case, I think things would be a little bit different.
And also, if there were just like common sense type gun reforms that were going around in the time of the colonists, then I don't think it would have been a problem.
jordan holmes
Here's what I'll say.
I will say this.
If there are bounties out on leftists in four years, I might buy a gun.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
But until there are literal bounties out on anyone who believes similar things to me, I don't think that's going to happen.
dan friesen
And also, let's not forget that the Trail of Tears and Indian Removal Act were championed by Andrew Jackson, someone who Alex thinks is one of the only good presidents in U.S. history.
So I don't really care too much about whatever sort of bizarre argument he's trying to make.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
You know, you think...
That you wouldn't arm an American Indian, but my favorite president killed most of them.
See?
Now what do you think about guns?
dan friesen
Good point.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you got me.
dan friesen
Cool.
So Alex has a surprise guest who pops in.
This was weird.
This caught me off guard.
alex jones
Pastor Butch Paul now joins us.
He is a Vietnam veteran himself, a guy who's fought the New World Order tooth and nail right here on this network.
Pastor Butch, what's going on?
unidentified
Well, sir, I don't want to interrupt your program.
You're having a good program, but I just got home a few minutes ago from working a job, as you know.
And I had to pass this on in case you didn't know, but you probably already do, and the listeners may not, that they now are extracting DNA from your fingerprints.
And those fingerprints can be up to a year old.
So when you give your fingerprints for your driver's license, they have your DNA if they want it.
alex jones
Now, where did you get that story?
unidentified
This is from UPI Science News.
alex jones
No, I was not aware of that.
unidentified
Yes.
alex jones
I ended up doing radio interviews this morning and didn't do as much preparation as I should have.
Is that on all the decision?
unidentified
That will be in my newsletter.
It also will be on my website, maybe even now.
I'm not sure.
alex jones
Well, I've got a sneaking suspicion that if it was in United Press International Science, my wife has probably already posted it on InfoWars.com.
But, hey, you heard about New York?
They're going to have the homosexual high schools.
Oh, absolutely.
unidentified
Of course, as you know, as I talked to you already, the Christian schools in Texas, especially with Pastor Jake Wade, have to shut down because they're not licensed.
But we can fund a public perverted school, of course, yes.
alex jones
Oh, and here in Texas you can have a Buddhist or a Muslim or a Jewish school.
that's unlicensed, but Christian schools are being shut down.
dan friesen
This came out of nowhere.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
It wasn't something that came up earlier on the show at all.
jordan holmes
That's a real strange thing for somebody to call in and be like, Alex, did you know that a horde of Pegasus are flying over the country to start murdering all of us?
dan friesen
Well, my wife probably got that and she's posted it on my website already.
Yeah, good to remember.
Like, his wife was basically...
Running a whole lot of Infowars back at this point.
Anyway, Pastor Butch actually still has this radio show called Called to Decision Radio, but he's not really a figure in Alex's world anymore.
That's really strange, since he's pushing all the same shit, like COVID vaccine conspiracies and anti-abortion extremism.
You'd think they'd still be really tight.
jordan holmes
Yeah, what happened?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
I checked out his website, though, and in the coming week, one of his guests is Coach Dave Dobbenmeier, the complete lunatic that we've covered a couple times.
More bizarrely, though, in the last week, he had Larry Pratt on as a guest, the guy from Gun Owners of America.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's only weird because I haven't seen Larry Pratt on Alex's show in a bit.
It feels like he's not on Alex's gun shit-talking Rolodex, and I suspect that it's because Ted Nugent's there for that, and Alex is nothing if not a star fucker.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
You go with the star over the, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So, Alex, he wants to take more calls, but he can't, because there's news.
alex jones
I'm not going to take any more calls because I got a bunch of news that needs to be covered.
jordan holmes
Let's hear it.
alex jones
We have not yet gotten to, and before...
And before I do that, I want to plug a couple things and we'll cover news and then talk to Carol in Pennsylvania.
Wait, what?
What?
dan friesen
That's very weird.
unidentified
What?
dan friesen
I want to take calls, but I can't because I've got to get to the news, but also here's some plugs, and then we'll do some news, and then I'll get to some calls.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that was a rollercoaster ride of what the agenda is going to be.
dan friesen
Yeah, I have no idea what's going to happen.
jordan holmes
Sorry, I can't take calls.
I'm going to do some plugs.
I'm going to talk to Carol from Indiana.
I'm going to talk to...
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But he does get to some headlines and some news.
And I kind of realized why Alex doesn't cover the news much.
And that's because the show grinds to a fucking halt.
When he's reading headlines, it's just horrible.
The energy is sucked out of the show entirely.
When he's talking to callers or riffing around and making stuff up and yelling, it's kind of fun.
But then when he's just cold reading headlines and being like, Why are we even doing this?
jordan holmes
Reading things that actively disagree with his point as he's...
dan friesen
I mean, normally he does so much more preparation, but he had those regular interviews.
jordan holmes
No, of course.
It was a rough morning.
dan friesen
So anyway, here is one of his stories.
alex jones
Don't worry, they claim they're about to catch Saddam.
Do you believe any of that?
The wax figures they put on TV and said it was his sons?
And now they're going to have some new wax figurine and tell us it's Saddam Hussein when the guy's living in Belarus paid off by Rumsfeld and Bush?
According to major Russian and Iranian newspapers, who I have found to be more accurate than the neocon lies.
dan friesen
Okay.
Well, this one's...
jordan holmes
I mean, that's a low bar.
dan friesen
Sure.
But in this case, he did not clear that bar.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
That bar did not get cleared.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Absolutely not.
dan friesen
So he still thinks that Saddam's kids' deaths were faked, and that Saddam is living in Belarus.
So, good.
Good.
That this was something he consistently has been reporting and saying he believes.
jordan holmes
It's nice to know that he's always trusted Russian television more than...
dan friesen
And Iranian TV, weirdly.
jordan holmes
Yeah, Iranian TV.
Sure, why not?
dan friesen
You know why, though?
Because they would have him on.
jordan holmes
Oh yeah, well yeah.
dan friesen
He was a guest on Iranian TV shows.
unidentified
Really?
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
Wow.
And he would be on RT and shit.
jordan holmes
You should know that for sure.
dan friesen
I didn't know he was on Iranian shows.
Yeah, I think he trusts those media spheres because they accept him.
jordan holmes
So are you telling me that it's entirely possible, if not probable, that at one point in time there were several Iranian Infowars fans?
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Definitely.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So here's some more news.
jordan holmes
What a weird thing to be.
dan friesen
This one's not good.
alex jones
Continuing, months before movie on death of Jesus causes stir, I'm going to try to get Hutton Gibson or maybe even Mel Gibson on the show because, I mean, all it does is show what the Bible says happened.
The corrupt Pharisees had Jesus killed.
And the Jewish groups are saying that is anti-Semitic.
dan friesen
So this wasn't the criticism the Jewish groups had.
And the criticism wasn't just coming from Jewish groups.
There were a whole lot of anti-Semitic tropes that at least were nodded towards in that movie.
And there's just a foundational problem of trying to make one story out of the four Gospels that many people have suggested Mel Gibson should just not have tried to do that.
jordan holmes
Didn't they win Best Adapted Screenplay?
dan friesen
Also, Hutton Gibson is a Holocaust denier and has claimed that the Second Vatican Council, the one where it was decreed that the Jews were not responsible for Jesus' death, was a secret plot orchestrated by the Masons and the Jews.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Here are some of his other thoughts.
jordan holmes
Let's hear him.
dan friesen
Quote, this is absolutely ridiculous, and the Holocaust, it's all, maybe not all, fiction, but most is.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He was asked, quote, why do the Jews construct Holocaust museums?
And he answered, quote, there are too many survivors.
It's just a gimmick to collect money.
They have to go where there's money.
And here's another quote of his.
Quote, they cannot admit that they were wrong.
He's referring to killing Jesus.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
They've been at it for all of history.
Is the Jew still actively anti-Christian?
He is.
For by being a Jew, he's anti-everyone else.
jordan holmes
That's one of the wilder things that I've ever heard a person say out loud.
dan friesen
Mel Gibson's dad.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And then, of course, Mel Gibson himself has had a little bit of a history of anti-Semitic outbursts.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
In 2010, Winona Ryder told a story about meeting Mel Gibson.
Jewish people came up in conversation, and he asked her, quote, You're not an oven dodger, are you?
This language, and worse, was reported to have been used regularly by Mel Gibson, reported by Joe Esterhaus, a screenwriter who was working with Gibson on a film that never got made.
He also said that Gibson called the Holocaust, quote, mostly a lot of horseshit.
And, of course, in 2006, he yelled about how Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world when he got pulled over for a DUI.
jordan holmes
There was that.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Seems like this is Alex's kind of family.
jordan holmes
Starting to think maybe there were a lot of anti-Semitic tropes in The Passion of the Christ.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I mean, look.
unidentified
Let's just look.
dan friesen
I mean, if you watch the movie and you don't know who made it...
It's still a bit offensive.
There are some scenes that are like, well, this is a little much.
Then you consider who made it, and you're like, oh, okay.
jordan holmes
That was intentional.
And then you remember how many youth groups were bussed in to see that movie, and all those children were just bombarded with Hollywood anti-Semitism.
unidentified
Woo!
jordan holmes
Tough.
dan friesen
Good to see that Mel Gibson's still getting some work.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
No, no, no.
dan friesen
Anyway, Alex has some thoughts about...
I don't know how else to put it.
The gay agenda.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
Jay Leno slated for a Queer Eye Makeover.
This is out of adage.com.
Gay product placement show draws high ratings, and they admit that it's actually being funded.
The sitcoms and dramas are being funded by groups to push homosexuality.
Yeah, the government pushes anti-gun messages.
A lot of this is paid for, and here's a positive promotion out of one of the big advertisement agency websites bragging about this.
Major marketers or ongoing placement deals on the breakout hit Queer Eye for the straight guy, even as NBC plots an August 14th special in which the show's gay fashion team...
We'll make over Jay Leno.
See, it's paid for, folks.
When you watch that sitcom and it seems like they've got this agenda, yeah, it's paid for when you see them say anti-gun comments or anti-American comments.
And this is all expanded under Bush.
dan friesen
This article that Alex is talking about is about how successful Queer Eye for the Straight Guy is.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And how people want to buy product placement time on it.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So, like, I don't know, Vidal Sassoon would put our products on screen.
jordan holmes
Oh, do you mean like a fashion product of some sort would be associated with a fashion show?
dan friesen
Yes, or some clothing line.
Sure.
That kind of stuff is what this is talking about.
It's not like, oh, the government is paying to put gay content.
This is popular.
People enjoy it.
It's getting high ratings.
So people who want to sell their products are buying time on this.
jordan holmes
No.
This is ridiculous.
No, no, no.
You're just wrong.
The entire Bush family, if it weren't for the Bush family, Will and Grace would never have made it to air.
Fully funded that first episode.
You know that.
You know that George Bush Sr.
dan friesen
I forgot that the first season of Will and Grace was on PBS.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I forgot that.
Look, man, this is ridiculous.
He's pretending this isn't just commercials that he's being somehow offended by.
The idea of buying ad time on a program that features homosexual people is somehow an insidious conspiracy for him.
This is pathetic.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you know...
We were pretty convinced that the attitudes from even the far right had kind of changed over the years.
I mean, it's been 20 years.
There haven't been a shit ton of hurricanes because gay people are fine now.
And then you just realize they just kind of stopped talking about it.
dan friesen
Or they talked about it in a slightly different way.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
They didn't change.
dan friesen
Saying maybe less overtly identifiably hateful things.
And then just sort of keeping the fire going.
jordan holmes
Yep, yep, underground.
dan friesen
Yeah, tending the embers.
jordan holmes
Yep, brutal.
dan friesen
So here's the end of our adventure on August 4th.
And I think it's just kind of like a nice thing that resonates to the present.
alex jones
U.S. government warns of imminent massive internet hack attacks.
Yeah, we know you're launching them.
Huge denial of service attacks.
Yeah, we've already felt that.
At InfoWars.com.
We're out of time.
I'll be back tonight, 9 to midnight.
Great show.
Really enjoyed your calls.
I love exposing evil, and I appreciate all your support.
dan friesen
Loves fighting evil.
jordan holmes
Love exposing evil.
dan friesen
Yeah, you remember how, like, right when the invasion of Ukraine started and Alex was saying that false flag attacks and hack attacks and, you know, the power grids going down and everything were about to happen so they could blame it on Putin?
jordan holmes
Mm-hmm.
dan friesen
Yeah, and that never happened, and he says all that kind of shit for the last 20 years.
alex jones
Yep.
dan friesen
Pretty regularly.
jordan holmes
You bet.
dan friesen
So, Alex's predictions, constantly good.
alex jones
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Saddam's kids, fake death.
jordan holmes
When you've only got one response to things, it does happen over and over and over again, doesn't it?
dan friesen
Whoa, Nelly.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's, uh, you know, career's bad.
20 years!
jordan holmes
20 years!
Mm-hmm.
Goddamn!
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
Man, imagine if we still did the novelty drinks thing.
We couldn't fucking sustain that.
dan friesen
I'm struggling to come up with bright spots, quite frankly.
jordan holmes
Well, things are getting less bright over time.
It's not your fault.
dan friesen
You're not wrong.
jordan holmes
It's not your fault, man.
dan friesen
Even ice cream isn't always good.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's not always good.
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
Yeah, so this brings us to the end of our 2003 adventure.
Ideally, we'll be back on Wednesday with the present day episode.
Check in with Alex.
Maybe he'll have, like, a scrapbook of pictures from his trip.
Maybe he'll have a fun story about running into a globalist at some weird outdoor location.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Certainly not a hot spring, because he's done that story already.
jordan holmes
I want him to accidentally wander into a gemstone store or something along the way, like a new-agey store.
It's got a name that he doesn't quite understand, and he thinks it's going to have hot peppers or barbecue sauce, and he walks in there.
Everybody's just looking at gems that might make your day better, you know?
dan friesen
And then he thinks it's a conspiracy that the gems actually work.
jordan holmes
The gems work!
They're killing them!
dan friesen
I would like to hear, since he was on the West Coast, I'd like to hear about him going into the woods in Oregon or Washington.
jordan holmes
That'd be fun.
Beautiful woods in Oregon.
dan friesen
Running into a globalist who then introduces him to Sasquatch.
unidentified
Ooh.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
I'd like a Sasquatch appearance.
dan friesen
Yeah.
What if he was out West Sasquatch hunting?
jordan holmes
With Bobcat Goldthwait?
What if they teamed up for a...
Yeah, that's the shit right there.
dan friesen
And the only reason he went to Florida wasn't to hang out with Alfie Oaks and go do that.
He was looking for the skunk ape.
jordan holmes
Oh, I thought he was looking for the Loch Ness monster because he really doesn't have a sense of direction.
dan friesen
No, when he went to Bilderberg, though, that was just to go to Europe so he could look for the Loch Ness.
jordan holmes
He's just a cryptid hunter.
That's what's really going on.
dan friesen
It would have been a better career for him.
jordan holmes
It would have been a great career.
dan friesen
I want to find all these beings so I can yell at them.
I got to find out if these cryptids are in the gun rights.
jordan holmes
We're going to scream at animals that don't exist.
dan friesen
Which cryptids are into the Second Amendment?
The Mothman?
Does the Mothman believe?
jordan holmes
Mothman could be.
dan friesen
Right to carry.
jordan holmes
What else we got?
Yetis, for sure.
They're frozen north.
They got to hunt.
Absolutely.
They got rifles.
dan friesen
Uh-huh.
jordan holmes
What else do we got?
dan friesen
Gargoyles.
unidentified
Gargoyles?
jordan holmes
No, I saw the cartoon in the 90s.
dan friesen
They don't like guns?
jordan holmes
Nah.
They can fly.
They don't need them.
They land on people.
That was most of the show.
dan friesen
Trying to think of other cryptids.
Why am I having trouble?
unidentified
I don't know.
dan friesen
I don't like cryptids that much.
unidentified
That's probably why.
dan friesen
Anyway, Jordan, we'll be back.
jordan holmes
Indeed we will.
dan friesen
But until then, we have a website.
jordan holmes
We do.
It's knowledgefight.com.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
We're also on Twitter.
jordan holmes
We are.
It is at knowledge underscore fight and at go to bet Jordan.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
I also forgot an out of context drop that I had, so here we go.
alex jones
I'm pro-gun.
I'm a commie.
unidentified
That's right.
dan friesen
Anyway, we'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX.
Clark, I hope you all have a wonderful, dreamy, creamy summer.
steve quayle
And now, here comes the sex robots.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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