#678: July 29-30, 2003
Today, Dan and Jordan take a little breaky to see how things were going in the past. In this installment, Alex interviews two people with fun names, and depression sets in when Alex mentions how old he is. Citations
May 9, 2022 - Knowledge Fight
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| It's time to pray. | ||
| I have great respect for knowledge fight. | ||
| Knowledge fight. | ||
| I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys. | ||
| Knowledge fight. | ||
|
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Dan and George. | |
| Knowledge fight. | ||
| I need money. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Stop it. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| It's time to pray. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding us. | ||
|
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your room. | ||
|
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Knowledge Fight. | |
| KnowledgeFight.com. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Hey, everybody. | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
| I'm Jordan. | ||
| We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Oh, indeed we are, Dan. | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| Dan! | ||
| Jordan! | ||
| Quick question for you. | ||
| What's up? | ||
| What's your bright spot today? | ||
| My bright spot today, Jordan, is... | ||
| I recently had to get something delivered by GoPuff. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I've never used them before. | ||
| I've never heard of what you're saying. | ||
| It's like a delivery thing. | ||
| They have a warehouse and they have all kinds of Sudafed or meds if you need them. | ||
| Oh, that's great. | ||
| Things you could get at a convenience store, but maybe it's an hour that you can't get them or you don't want to go. | ||
| Fantastic. | ||
| They also have booze and some grocery items. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| This isn't a plug. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I'm not worried. | ||
| I understand the concept now. | ||
| I'm only setting this up. | ||
| Because otherwise this will make no sense why this is a bright spot. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So I needed to get this, and I was looking over what they had in stock and available, and I saw something, and I was like, well, this is the coolest thing I've ever seen. | ||
| And so... | ||
| I ordered... | ||
| Monster Mash cereal? | ||
| Monster Mash cereal. | ||
| Boo Berry! | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Frankenberry! | ||
|
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Uh-huh. | |
| Count Chocula, the mummy with the thing, and then the werewolf. | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
| It's all of the monster cereals. | ||
| They have finally got together, and they're jamming as a band. | ||
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Oh, my God. | |
| It's got the history. | ||
| 71, Count Chocula and Frankenberry. | ||
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Uh-huh. | |
| 72, Boo Berry. | ||
| 74, his name is Fruit Brute. | ||
| Fruit Brute. | ||
| Fruit Brute. | ||
|
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Yep. | |
| Yummy Mummy. | ||
| Yummy Mummy, obviously. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| And then, of course, in 2021, the Musters reunite to mash. | ||
| So we have three things that I think are important to bring up about this. | ||
| The first is, what month is it? | ||
| This is a Halloween kind of thing. | ||
| It is early May. | ||
| This is definitely not in season. | ||
| And you might notice also, it's 50 years. | ||
| It's the 50th anniversary of the monsters getting together. | ||
| And you notice, you read over this, 1971. | ||
| Yes, sir. | ||
| This is from last Halloween. | ||
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This is quite shelved cereal. | |
| Of the older variety. | ||
| Yeah, that's great. | ||
| So I ate it, and I found something really... | ||
| Telling about this. | ||
| And that is, like, one of these things is not like the others. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And it does not belong in there. | ||
| I'm going to go with fruit brute. | ||
| No. | ||
| Count Chocula. | ||
|
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Oh. | |
| All the rest of them are fruit-based cereals. | ||
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What? | |
| You can't just have fruit-based cereal. | ||
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Yes, you can. | |
| You need to have a chocolate element in there. | ||
| I challenge you to eat this cereal and tell me that afterwards. | ||
| That sounds disgusting. | ||
| I don't want to. | ||
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No. | |
| I wouldn't want chocolate in there. | ||
| Look, I love a chocolate-covered strawberry or something. | ||
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Sure. | |
| But it does not work in this cereal form. | ||
| So, Couchocula. | ||
| Go solo. | ||
| You don't need to be in the band. | ||
| Vampires don't really team up with people either. | ||
| No, they're pretty... | ||
| Solo. | ||
| Solo hunters. | ||
| Independent creatures. | ||
| The vampires. | ||
| Except for Renfields, as we've learned from now. | ||
| Renfields, well, yeah, but Renfields are disposable. | ||
| True. | ||
| True. | ||
| So, what's your bright spot? | ||
| My bright spot is... | ||
| Dan, you know that I love the tennises. | ||
| True. | ||
| Love the Raffas. | ||
| Right. | ||
| My favorite player, obviously. | ||
| You like that guy who is really into being anti-vax in Australia? | ||
| No, I don't. | ||
| I don't like Djokovic. | ||
| And what's cool is that over the past three days, a 19-year-old kid did something that hasn't been done for like 20 years. | ||
| What's that? | ||
| He beat Rafa. | ||
| Djokovic, and then Zverev. | ||
| Back to back to back. | ||
| He beat Zverev? | ||
| I mean, that one wasn't exciting. | ||
| That's not even a name I know. | ||
| No, no, exactly. | ||
| You talk about tennis a lot. | ||
| I talk about tennis a lot. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| He sucks. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I mean, he's in the top ten, but he sucks. | ||
| Compared to your boy. | ||
| Well, no, I mean, he's just soft. | ||
| He's weak. | ||
| He's callow. | ||
| He's soft. | ||
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Wow. | |
| But this 19-year-old kid, Spanish kid from Spain, looked up to Rafa his entire life. | ||
| Rafa won a major when this kid was two years old. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| All right. | ||
| So he beats him. | ||
| Now Rafa's injured. | ||
| He's coming off a bad injury. | ||
| He's got a terrible foot injury because he's Rafa and that's just how he does things. | ||
| So then he comes back and he plays Djokovic the next day. | ||
| Three sets. | ||
| Three and a half hours, man. | ||
| This was some of the best tennis anybody's ever played. | ||
| This kid's 19 years old. | ||
| And you know what I was thinking, Dan? | ||
| What's that? | ||
| My entire adult life, I've had a Spanish Adonis to look up to. | ||
| And Rafa's gonna retire soon. | ||
| But guess what? | ||
| The chain remains unbroken, my friend. | ||
| As God closes the door, he opens a window. | ||
| He opens another Spanish Adonis window. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Well, congratulations. | ||
| I'm glad you have that to look forward to for the next 20 years. | ||
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Oh, man. | |
| The potential of this guy. | ||
| It will be. | ||
| It is amazing. | ||
| The kid's amazing. | ||
| That's great. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I will note that for my bright spot, I had a prop. | ||
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You did. | |
| You did. | ||
| Well, I mean, I could have hit you with a tennis ball, but I don't think you would have... | ||
| Hit me with a racket next time. | ||
| Hit you with a racket? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I assumed you wanted a guitar. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| So, Jordan... | ||
| Today we have an episode to go over, and I think that maybe one of the more notable things that's come out in Infowars world in the past since we've had an episode is the little bit of audio of Paul Joseph Watson being a real racist fuck. | ||
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I've heard that he might be a racist. | |
| And you know what? | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| And it's not because I don't care. | ||
| It's because this is only him saying the things that we've already known he's been expressing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Pretty much his entire career and through Infowars. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So we're not going to cover that at all. | ||
| And actually, it has led me to descend to the past. | ||
| Smart move! | ||
| I need a break from Alex's present-day bullshit. | ||
| I need a break from the present-day period. | ||
| Yeah, so we're going back to 2003, and we're going to be talking about July 29th and 30th, back in 2003. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Very interesting stretch of time. | ||
| I think we find some wacky characters and some silly nonsense. | ||
| And before we get to that, though, Jordan, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks. | ||
| So first, congratulations, Joe and Michaela, on your dreamy, creamy wedding. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Congratulations and thank you! | ||
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Thank you. | |
| Next, Nikki in California. | ||
| You're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
| Hello, Eric. | ||
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your work. | ||
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I love you. | |
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you so much! | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Next, Cabal Killer Girl. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much! | ||
| Thank you! | ||
| Next, fuck the beer and your horses you rode in on. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much! | ||
| Next, Brian Stelter from the future sent back to stop Alex before it's too late. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| I'd watch that movie. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| I think it would be pretty good. | ||
| I think it would be pretty good. | ||
| And it would be a predictive program. | ||
| It would be very predictive. | ||
| Next, one dreamy creamy summer. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much! | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| And finally, at Duncan4SC on Twitter is a fellow. | ||
| Daniel Duncan's running for the House in South Carolina. | ||
| All right. | ||
| I don't know enough to endorse political candidates. | ||
| We don't endorse political candidates. | ||
| But I looked at his Ballotpedia page, and it seems like he has some good answers to questions. | ||
| So if you're in South Carolina, check him out and see if he's a candidate you'd be interested in. | ||
| Thank you so much, Daniel Duncan. | ||
| You're now Ballsy Wong. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much! | ||
| So, Jordan, we start off on July 29th, 2003. | ||
| Ah, that's Wednesday to thee. | ||
| It might be. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I'm not sure on the calendar. | ||
| But here's where we start off. | ||
| We am the founder of Global Research Magazine. | ||
| He is a political science and history professor. | ||
| Michael Chosodosky joining us from Canada in the next hour. | ||
| Now, a couple days ago, he wrote a detailed breakdown of the lies and the fraud. | ||
| And we don't know what lie is the big lie or what the truth is. | ||
| We just know we're being lied to. | ||
| Concerning the Saddam sons, the two brothers, Tweedledum and Tweedledee. | ||
| Still think you're being lied to. | ||
| Still. | ||
| Who I believe are living with their father in Belarus. | ||
| I believe the Russian and Iranian newspapers before I believe the Pentagon. | ||
| I'm sorry, that's just the track record. | ||
| At least on issues that are embarrassing to certain elements of the globalist camp, I do. | ||
| Okay, well, maybe that's a bad policy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So this is a fascinating guest to see pop up here in the past, because this is the first time that he's been on, but it's not fascinating for the reasons that it might first appear. | ||
| The reason it's interesting to see Michael Chosodosky is because he's not someone who's still a regular on Alex's show. | ||
| But should be. | ||
| For a while, Chosodovsky made frequent appearances with Alex, because in many ways, he's an ideal guest. | ||
| Beginning in 2001, Chosodovsky founded the Center for Research on Globalization, and from that point on has been responsible for one of the websites that disseminates a gigantic portion of the anti-globalization conspiracy content that's on the internet, globalresearch.ca. | ||
| We'll get more into him when he shows up on the show, but for now, suffice it to say, when I heard that, this is the This is the case of all InfoWars origin stories. | ||
| Kind of. | ||
| But it's notable as hell. | ||
| Like, this is a big... | ||
| I guess maybe it's not a big deal, but it's consequential in terms of the paths that these two would end up going. | ||
| With globalresearch.ca being a gigantic conspiracy clearinghouse, and then Alex being, from 2003 onward, becoming such a luminary of the conspiracy media, the overlap of their influences is huge. | ||
| It's historical. | ||
| Nah, I wouldn't go that far. | ||
| Maybe only for us. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So look, these Saddam's kids. | ||
| They were shown with facial reconstruction that was done, because they were obviously quite mutilated in the course of the U.S. actions in killing them. | ||
| And so in order to make them look more convincing to people, which, I mean, we can debate whether or not that was a great idea for the people to do. | ||
| They were given some... | ||
| You know, reconstructive surgery. | ||
| And Alex believes that they look like folks from a bad wax museum. | ||
| Well, that's probably true, though. | ||
| But Alex is an expert on these matters. | ||
| Oh, I did not know that. | ||
| Here they are. | ||
| It looks like something at the low-end wax museum. | ||
| Because my parents would drag me all over the country. | ||
| What? | ||
| On road trip vacations, like National Lampoons. | ||
| You'd be in a big city and go to the wax museum. | ||
| It'd be pretty nice. | ||
| But, you know, the little town that had the old wax museum and the wax figures didn't look very good. | ||
| And, you know, maybe the nose was falling off of one. | ||
| That's what these look like, the bad wax museums I've been to. | ||
| Alex is a noted scholar in the realm of relative quality of wax museums, apparently. | ||
| Did he just tell me that a lot of his childhood was spent driving around to different towns tasting their... | ||
| Wax museums? | ||
| Well, metaphorically tasting. | ||
| Yes, metaphorically tasting, yes, of course. | ||
| Yeah, I think so. | ||
| I mean, look, when I was younger, we did a lot of road trip vacations as well. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| We would drive to California to see our family every summer. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| And we lived in Missouri, so it was Missouri to California. | ||
| Long drive? | ||
| Very long. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| And we'd camp every night, so we'd make a meal out of the trip. | ||
| Right, totally. | ||
| You know, you'd go... | ||
| Like one year you'd maybe take a straight shot through the middle. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And then it's boring to do again. | ||
| You can't do it again. | ||
| So you take different paths. | ||
| You go a different way. | ||
| Yeah, we stopped at some bullshit stuff like wall drugs. | ||
| There's a cavern somewhere. | ||
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Right. | |
| Every time you drive somewhere west, sooner or later there's going to be signs that's like caverns. | ||
| And you just go to them. | ||
| Yeah, the world's largest pecan. | ||
| That's where you go. | ||
| Yeah, you have to. | ||
| Yeah, it's America. | ||
| But yeah, I don't... | ||
| My experience looking back on it is definitely not like... | ||
| Hey, I know all about wax museums. | ||
| Or anything. | ||
| Maybe it's just the case that Alex's parents were deeply into wax museums. | ||
| Yeah, that does sound like a detail that should be shared. | ||
| If it is true. | ||
| There's no way. | ||
| Look, we've been on road trips. | ||
| We're from the Midwest. | ||
| You road trip out here. | ||
| The idea of going to any of those stopover things where world's largest buh, and then being like, okay, well now we're going east, so we gotta find and compare the world's largest buh over there to the one from the West. | ||
| No! | ||
| You've seen them! | ||
| I think a more likely thing is that Alex went to one wax museum when he was a kid, and now he's exaggerating that, to create an area of specialization for himself. | ||
| Probably, but God, I also want... | ||
| I want him to be an expert on wax music. | ||
| Yeah, me too. | ||
| We're really overthinking this. | ||
| We are a little bit. | ||
| So we get to, in this next clip, Alex is kind of introducing his main narrative that's going to take over this episode, but he's also really all over the place. | ||
| They have learned that if something is hidden in plain view now, and they just say it's normal, that the general public doesn't have a moral base or compass and will accept it as good and wholesome. | ||
| We have now entered Orwellian doublethink. | ||
| Just now. | ||
| People can't even engage in critical thinking on average. | ||
| And so they announced that we're going to have a betting system similar to the Chicago Mercantile Exchange run by the Pentagon and controlled and founded and the architecture constructed by DARPA, the folks with the old Shanghai Pyramid Total Information Awareness Network that want to watch you and your family. | ||
| Run by the convicted felon, Admiral Boindexter. | ||
| Involved in all the trafficking of goodies into the country and out of the country. | ||
| All the goodies that MTV promotes. | ||
| Just a nice fellow. | ||
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What? | |
| I was thinking about this this morning. | ||
| There's no way to even try to describe this properly. | ||
| It's so horrible. | ||
| He's just rambling all over the place. | ||
| There's a betting market of some sort, and now he can't finish this fucking sentence. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So I'll just clarify what he's talking about. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| This is Alex reporting that the government is setting up a literal casino-style betting pool where these elites and defense contractors can gamble on coming wars and countries collapsing. | ||
| That sounds great. | ||
| What he's describing is called PAM, or the Policy Analysis Market for Intelligence. | ||
| And guess what? | ||
| He's actually not far off from reality. | ||
| Naturally, there's some important caveats to make, and one of the first, and I think the most important, is well expressed in a paper by Robert Looney in the journal Strategic Insight. | ||
| Quote, because DARPA is mandated to take on risky projects, failures have occurred. | ||
| Sometimes the projects they embark on are a little bit wacky, and this policy analysis market is one such example. | ||
| To be clear, this project was abandoned around the time of this episode of Alex's show, and it never actually existed. | ||
| But the thinking behind it isn't actually as macabre and as evil as it might initially sound. | ||
| The basis for this idea was that for years, futures markets have been used as a predictor of societal unrest and other sorts of geopolitical issues. | ||
| Again, from this Strategic Insights article, Iraq War began, reflected the implications traders drew concerning the outcome of the conflict. | ||
| falling rapidly in the first few days of the conflict, but rising again after it became apparent the Iraqi regime would not fall in a matter of days. | ||
| The goal of this policy analysis market wasn't so much about allowing elites to gamble on geopolitical conflict, because in a roundabout way, they already can and do. | ||
| It was about giving the U.S. intelligence agencies market-based ways to trade on different potential events, which it was theorized might provide signals that could be interpreted like is already done with sudden movements in commodity futures markets. | ||
| So, they were trying to create, uh, I guess... | ||
| Capitalism-based virtual reality system whereby they can predict using the data of who's buying and selling what, whether or not they're going to go to war? | ||
| Well... | ||
| Sort of, but not exactly. | ||
| Not like whether or not they're going to go to war. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| Trying to predict potential coming trouble and destabilization in areas. | ||
| But there's also very important elements. | ||
| It wasn't supposed to be about anyone getting rich, and it wouldn't have been a vehicle for that. | ||
| They had a cap on $100 for bets, and only 1,000 expert traders were even invited to participate initially. | ||
| Now, I'm saying that the underlying idea here makes some sense from just like a conceptual standpoint, but please do not take that to be me saying this was a good idea. | ||
| No. | ||
| It obviously is something that could go wrong in about a thousand different ways, and even leaving that aside, it seems like it's in very poor taste. | ||
| The world already has a... | ||
| Earned bad image of organizations like the CIA. | ||
| They don't need to add the already bad optics that they have to their gambling on whether or not a particular government will fall. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Might be involved in destabilizing. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| It's a disaster. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Going back, they were like, oh man, we lost a ton of money on Haiti. | ||
| They got free. | ||
| Shit. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| There's... | ||
| There's so many things that just look shitty about that. | ||
| Even though the system didn't appear to have the ability to be rigged in some particular way, just like you were saying, the optics would be a disaster. | ||
| It would be a complete mess, and I suspect that that's part of the reason why it never moved forward. | ||
| Alex is not recognizing, or maybe he doesn't even know, or whatever, that... | ||
| It's not moving forward. | ||
| This is pretty much dead in the water by this point in late July. | ||
| I mean, what's great about it, though, is that it does have that kind of evil global policy that you're looking for if you are fighting against the globalists. | ||
| You bet. | ||
| That's so great. | ||
| That's such a supervillain-ass plot. | ||
| Well, it's not, but it looks like it. | ||
| Well, I mean, it looks like it. | ||
| It's callous as hell. | ||
| It is. | ||
| I think what makes it supervillain-esque to me is more that there are a million better ways to do the thing that you're trying to do. | ||
| You know, like, I understand that the goal you have right there. | ||
| You would hope that there would be a way for, like, people who have expert opinions to have some sort of conglomerated, like, intelligence that they put together. | ||
| Right. | ||
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That doesn't involve putting a hundred bucks on somebody's death. | |
| But the reason that that seems to be, like... | ||
| A worthwhile thing is because then there's incentive for them not to just make random guesses. | ||
| Understand completely. | ||
| I get the thought process there, but again, the goal you're attempting to achieve can be achieved without doing those evil things. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| And this is where we dovetail back into that idea about DARPA having these risky, weird ideas that sometimes are like, that's no good. | ||
| That's terrible. | ||
| We can't do science with DARPA. | ||
| When you're saying that there's a better way to do this, that's probably taken as granted. | ||
| Yeah, no, that's their idea. | ||
| But this is a possibility. | ||
| What about this? | ||
| Maybe this would work. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So anyway, it didn't work and it didn't happen. | ||
| But Alex gets to defining the New World Order in this next clip. | ||
| You'll notice that Satan is missing. | ||
| What is the New World Order? | ||
| Taking notes. | ||
| Well, it is an ancient society, a university. | ||
| Of confidence men, of king rats, of con artists. | ||
| And they take all the skills of the carnival barker, the strategy of an Alexander the Great or Julius Caesar, the vitriolic mass mind control of an Adolf Hitler. | ||
| You stopped taking notes. | ||
| nature of a pole pot or a Genghis Khan mixed with the advertisement pitch men and Madison Avenue psychiatrists and psychologists rolled into a computerized system of testing probabilities overlaid with university sociologists and anthropologists. | ||
| Integrated and tested by mass focus groups. | ||
| And that's the New World Order. | ||
| A criminal society owning the dominant media, conditioning you, selling you a change in the society, a shift to the destruction of the family, the annihilation of the Second Amendment, the termination of private property and sovereignty and borders. | ||
| And it's their own... | ||
| Stated goals. | ||
| No Satan. | ||
| No! | ||
| No! | ||
| That also seems pretty different than how you'd describe things in the present day. | ||
| I mean, that's not even World Economic Forum stuff. | ||
| That's just like a bunch of... | ||
| Well, the World Economic Forum could conceivably be mixed up in there, but certainly, you know, that's... | ||
| Klaus Schwab's name's not coming up. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| And it's an ancient university of con artists? | ||
| Hell yeah, man. | ||
| In what world is this a new world order? | ||
| It's just the order. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's nothing new about it. | ||
| I think there's some similarities to how he describes things in the present day, but there's, like, foundational differences. | ||
| As he's telling it in 2003, though, that makes total sense, kind of, like, if he wants to pitch this. | ||
| He's an extreme right-wing ideologue, so he's railing against this new world order he's imagined to attack and help explain social progress to his audience. | ||
| It's not that society decided that living by rigid Christian doctrine is not fair to people who aren't Christian. | ||
| It's not that society realized that members of minority groups deserved equal rights. | ||
| These things are just the New World Order tricking people. | ||
| They're lying to you. | ||
| They're con artists. | ||
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| It is wise to choose as your main enemy the thing you embody the most. | ||
| Because you're the most familiar with it. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Like, oh, this ancient university of con arts. | ||
| I know how they think. | ||
| You know? | ||
| I know how they... | ||
| Because Alex went to an ancient university of con artistry? | ||
| Well, because he's a con artist. | ||
| It's really critical that Alex be able to present people having different politics to him in this kind of fashion as they're being tricked, because the audience needs to be reassured that they're right. | ||
| It's really hard to make a coherent argument for a lot of Alex's political positions, so his audience probably couldn't handle that kind of lifting, and instead of requiring them to do that, you can create an overpowered boogeyman who's manipulating everyone who disagrees with them into Why would | ||
| I argue with you if you're coming to me having been tricked by these people? | ||
| Now, obviously, one downside of that is when I do argue with you, I have to then remember that I have a position as well instead of just ignoring yours. | ||
| And if I were to do that, oh boy, I would remember that I do not have a very good position at all. | ||
| Well, Truth. | ||
| Truth. | ||
| No good. | ||
| Great. | ||
| So Alex, like I said, most of this episode is him talking about this policy analysis market that doesn't end up existing. | ||
| But he has a lot of fears about it. | ||
| And one of them is that terrorists could bet on their own terrorist acts. | ||
| That's fucking Pete Rose! | ||
| So you just give up and go, I don't care anymore! | ||
| I'm going to the golf course! | ||
| And when you do that, they win, folks. | ||
| They have come out and they have announced... | ||
| Betting. | ||
| Private betting. | ||
| On what type of terrorist attacks are going to take place. | ||
| And of course a bunch of people pointed out that this is quote insane. | ||
| This is crazy. | ||
| How could you be doing this? | ||
| They're going ahead with it. | ||
| No they're not. | ||
| Because terrorists will blow stuff up and then make money off the put options. | ||
| Off betting on it beforehand. | ||
| You're the first person to think of that. | ||
| I mean let's say you were going to remote control. | ||
| With your mobile trucks that you've had for 30 years. | ||
| A couple of jets into the World Trade Centers. | ||
| And let's just say you had the power to order NORAD to stand down and shut down. | ||
| And as a smoke screen, you could say it was a drill that morning of flying hijacked jet airliners into buildings. | ||
| You could tell everybody it was just a drill. | ||
| Stand down for an hour and a half as the transponders had been turned off. | ||
| Normally would have scrambled fleets of F-16s. | ||
| And let's just say you knew this was going to happen a week before while you could put put options. | ||
| Of course, you'd put record put options on American and United. | ||
| So there's a couple problems with what Alex is suggesting here. | ||
| The first is that terrorists would not have access to this betting market that DARPA had proposed. | ||
| I don't understand. | ||
| Why wouldn't terrorists be able to go into the DARPA market? | ||
| That would be a very bizarre notion to allow some kind of terrorist insider trading. | ||
| Hey, listen. | ||
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Come on. | |
| The second problem is that Alex is seemingly suggesting that $100 bets in a very limited betting pool would be lucrative enough to be a motive for someone within our government to carry out 9-11. | ||
| Record put options. | ||
| Well, that's actually about something else, and we'll get to that in a second. | ||
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All right. | |
| But Alex's idea just seems incredibly stupid, and his next thought almost entirely illustrates why. | ||
| There's already a ton of futures markets that you can make much larger put or call options on. | ||
| So if you actually were acting with some kind of foreknowledge of a coming terrorist attack, you could do exactly the thing Alex is already ranting about. | ||
| You would do it in the regular stock market where people would give you lots of money afterwards. | ||
| Also, just as a reminder, Alex believes as a matter of definitive fact that the planes at 9-11 were remote controlled at this point, which I'm sure he would not defend nowadays if pressed on it. | ||
| Although I'd be interested in having Rogan ask Yeah, that would be fun. | ||
| So, about that, like, record put options. | ||
| He's talking about a conspiracy about insider trading regarding United and American Airlines prior to 9-11. | ||
| And so there were actually some trading patterns in United and American stock that seemed suspicious in the days prior to the attack. | ||
| And Alex has decided just to report that this was people who knew that 9-11 was coming and they were trying to profit off that foreknowledge. | ||
| One major question had to do with irregular purchases on September 6th and 10th. | ||
| The 9-11 Commission investigated the actual trades that were made, which constituted an unusually high load of put options, and found that this was the result of, quote, a single U.S.-based institutional investor with no conceivable ties to Al-Qaeda, purchasing 95% of the United puts on September 6th as part of a trading strategy that also included buying 115,000 shares of American on September 10th. | ||
| Highly suspicious trading on its face, yet further investigation has received... | ||
| Right. | ||
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Right. | |
| So that kind of explains that stuff. | ||
| Right. | ||
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Right. | |
| Additionally, a U.S.-based options trading newsletter had recommended people trade on American in a letter that they sent to subscribers on September 9th, which added to the irregularity of trade volume on September 10th. | ||
| As with almost everything Alex uses as proof of his conspiracy theories... | ||
| He has the appearance of something suspicious, and that's about it. | ||
| He never takes the time to consider alternative explanations, and when information comes out that calls his conclusions into question, he ignores it, and he pretends that he's been right all along, when in fact he's just been making shit up. | ||
| If someone did have foreknowledge of a coming terrorist attack, there are financial mechanisms that already exist that they could try to exploit to profit from that knowledge. | ||
| However, they're likely going to leave some kind of a trail, and that could be a problem later. | ||
| Well, now, you would say that. | ||
| You would say that, but we do have very obvious recent evidence that suggests as long as you're a senator, you can do that shit all day in public, and everybody will know it's you, and you'll walk away scot-free with more millions than you had yesterday. | ||
| There are some issues. | ||
| Well, I mean, that whole pandemic thing made it a little bit too obvious. | ||
| I do agree that there are some real problems there that need to be ironed out. | ||
| And I'm not going to go so far as to say, hey, you'd definitely get caught and in trouble if you did these things. | ||
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Nope. | |
| But I do think that if you were a terrorist... | ||
| If you were a terrorist, I don't think you'd get away with it. | ||
| And the notion that you could do... | ||
| That kind of insider trading stuff within this proposed policy analysis market is just nonsense. | ||
| The problem mainly I have with the argument is that it would be almost impossible to make it easier to inside trade anywhere other than the current stock market that we have right now. | ||
| Why would the military make something that would be easier to cheat on than the thing that they've made so available to cheat on? | ||
| In some ways, if you're looking to profit off insider information that you may have, it's a redundancy to create something like this. | ||
| Also, just because it's fun, the day before this episode, two Democratic senators, Ron Wyden and Byron Dorgan, held a press conference leading opposition against the creation of this policy analysis market. | ||
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| This ultimately led to the project being abandoned, so it's important to recognize that Alex only knows about this story because Democrats in Congress spoke out against it, and the driving force for it not coming into existence was opposition that started in left-wing political circles. | ||
| Right, so the devil didn't want it to exist. | ||
| Right, so maybe Alex should be... | ||
| So Alex should be supporting it. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| Oh, it's crazy. | ||
| Almost like his politics are incoherent. | ||
| It's almost like they don't even matter. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So Alex just believes that with the 9-11 United and American insider trading that he believes happened, that's proof that really reinforces his conspiracy about this new proposal. | ||
| And I guarantee you, they said, look. | ||
| It came out in the news, we did insider trading, top government people did, CIA did, on United American. | ||
| Why not just institutionalize and do it right in front of them? | ||
| They'll buy anything! | ||
| So this is how Alex builds fantasy stories out of his bad information base. | ||
| He's decided that he's proven the people in the CIA did insider trading on American United before 9-11, though he hasn't proven that at all. | ||
| He has a couple of suspicious facts that he can point to, which he's decided on an explanation for with no evidence. | ||
| As it turns out, his explanation was wrong, but he's used that incorrect explanation to create a background for this new conspiracy about the policy analysis market. | ||
| Because these folks got away with insider trading on 9-11, Which they didn't. | ||
| They decided to institutionalize that insider trading through this market which they weren't doing. | ||
| This is an important dynamic in Alex's conspiracies. | ||
| Oftentimes the things he's saying are built on multiple levels of non-existent foundation. | ||
| I think this is an underappreciated style of how Alex is often wrong. | ||
| He's like three levels deep into being wrong, and that's just acceptable on his show because the things he makes up, they appeal to the audience's emotional needs. | ||
| Yeah, he reminds me of what Douglas Adams said about... | ||
| What's the name of the corporation? | ||
| I can't remember. | ||
| But it is that their superficial design flaws make you so angry that they cover over their fundamental design flaws. | ||
| So you forget, you're so mad about all the things that they're shitty at, you forget why you should be mad at how deeply shitty it is. | ||
| It's almost like a smokescreen. | ||
| Like, he's wrong in so many superficial ways, you're like, oh, well, I've got that. | ||
| So you don't even dig deeper to find out how he's wrong in, like, 16 different ways. | ||
| Yeah, and I think in some ways that kind of describes a lot of the sort of public perception of Alex's show. | ||
| Like, there's a lot of, like, very surface-level things that are obviously infuriating. | ||
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| And that takes up a lot of the criticism that's directed towards him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| As opposed to recognizing that there is a... | ||
| Internal, just foundational problem with the things that he reports and expresses, and basically how he does his show, that is sometimes missed. | ||
| So Alex has a clip that he describes from Hardball. | ||
| I don't think this happened. | ||
| And of course, Gary Hart has already said at the CFR that Cleveland, Dallas, and Denver, so I guess go place your bets in the next year, they're going to get hit. | ||
| By the way, he said New York was going to get hit. | ||
| He started laughing on hardball three months before 9-1-1. | ||
| He said, tall, tall buildings, tall, you know. | ||
| And Chris Matthews started lying, and Rudman hit Hart in the arm with his elbow, and it was a moment of sharing in a sick fashion right out in front of you. | ||
| I tell you, it's so sick. | ||
| I can't find the actual video of this claimed hardball appearance, but I do know that after 9-11, Hart did make appearances with Chris Matthews discussing a paper he released in January 2001 called the Roadmap for National Security. | ||
| It was a product of a committee that he co-chaired with Warren Rudman, and the conclusion that they came to was that we weren't prepared at all for the possibility of an attack within the United States. | ||
| They were clearly wrong. | ||
| Hart was very public about his concerns prior to 9-11, so I don't exclude the possibility that he went on hardball. | ||
| That'd be crazy. | ||
| It'd be like if somebody at the CDC was like, ah, we're not ready for a pandemic. | ||
| It'd be nuts! | ||
| It'd be nuts! | ||
| Or something like that. | ||
| What? | ||
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Every single one of them since before we were born? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| That's probably proof that they were going to just cause a pandemic. | ||
| It's always their fault. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So Alex says, so earlier we heard him talking about the New World Order. | ||
| And the devil wasn't involved. | ||
| But now get this. | ||
| He's back in? | ||
| The devil might be involved. | ||
| Because I know power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. | ||
| And I know Jesus Christ said that the governments of the world are held under the sway of the Dark One and his children. | ||
| So that still could come off as kind of metaphorical. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But it's pretty close. | ||
| It's interesting, though. | ||
| It's an example of him hinting. | ||
| That he's fighting the literal devil? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Also, Alex didn't give a citation for this in the Bible, so I'm going to have to assume that he's referring to Luke chapter 4, where Jesus is tempted in the wilderness. | ||
| Verses 5 through 7 say, quote, And the devil, taking him into a high mountain, showed to him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. | ||
| And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them, for that is delivered unto me, and to whomsoever I will... | ||
| Give it. | ||
| If thou therefore will worship me, all shall be thine. | ||
| That's all good and well, but this is a naive and shallow interpretation of that passage to conclude that the devil actually has control of all these kingdoms. | ||
| You have to remember the characters at play here, and the number one trait ascribed to the devil is that he's a liar. | ||
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| That's right! | ||
| According to John 8, verse 44, quote, When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. | ||
| Oh, that would be what he would do. | ||
| By believing that the devil controls all these governments, Well, I mean, frankly, in Alex's mind, I feel like Alex, if he were in Jesus' situation, would be like, oh, sweet, I'll take it. | ||
| And then the devil would be like, aha, I didn't actually have it. | ||
| And he's like, you told me you had it. | ||
| Are you telling me that you lied to me? | ||
| What? | ||
| The devil? | ||
| That's not something you do? | ||
| But we had a thing, man. | ||
| I signed everything in blood and shit. | ||
| You did that? | ||
| And there's an ironic twist? | ||
| God damn it! | ||
| Typically, the devil is a straight up... | ||
| Wait, wait, wait, wait. | ||
| Are you telling me that when I got everything I wished for, perhaps I should have been more careful about what it was that it was I was wishing? | ||
| Of all the rules of the universe, the globalists have to tell you what they're doing in advance, and the devil has to operate in good faith. | ||
| Obviously. | ||
| Obviously. | ||
| These are just the truth. | ||
| These are just the way you view the world, man. | ||
| I really think it's weird to take the devil at face value. | ||
| Every time! | ||
| Especially considering every single thing the devil does, In any context of biblical stories or anything, even extra biblical stories, involves a lie. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's all lies. | ||
| I mean, you know, what's funnier about that is that that reminds me more of the fucking chaos magician who was like, well, you know that the devil is in control over all the earth and all that stuff. | ||
| And you're like, wait, oh shit. | ||
| Alex is a chaos magician. | ||
| Probably not. | ||
| Fuck. | ||
| He's definitely weird. | ||
| So Alex goes to some calls, and he gets some bad news from a caller about this DARPA policy analysis market. | ||
| John in England, go ahead. | ||
| You're on the air. | ||
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| Guess what? | ||
| They've already cancelled it. | ||
| BBC News is reporting that the Pentagon have already cancelled this ridiculous scheme. | ||
| That means it'll be doubled in funding within one month, guaranteed in the following past parameters and patterns. | ||
| This is a bit embarrassing. | ||
| That's the way to do it. | ||
| Because on the one hand, this caller is telling Alex that the thing that he's been yelling about for like an hour doesn't exist anymore, so none of that really meant anything. | ||
| But on the other hand, it's even worse, because the way Alex tries to salvage some kind of meaning out of his show is to predict that the program will be back with doubled funding within a month. | ||
| He guarantees it. | ||
| This didn't happen, and it goes down in history as just one of the million examples of predictions that Alex has gotten wrong while pretending that his predictions are based off a pattern that his imaginary enemies engage in, and he's right 95% of the fucking time. | ||
| Alex, that thing you said was going to happen. | ||
| It's not even close to happening. | ||
| That means it's going to double happen! | ||
| I guarantee it. | ||
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| Good work. | ||
| So, another thing Alex is wrong about, he continues to be wrong about Dr. David Kelly, the weapons inspector who took his own life recently. | ||
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Now, is it going to take 21 years for them to figure out, go back and exhume David Kelly's body and maybe find out he didn't slash his wrist? | |
| Well, within eight hours of finding him, they said, it's official! | ||
| It's a suicide. | ||
| No foul play. | ||
| We're not investigating. | ||
| And the guy sending emails around saying, I'm going to get my good name back. | ||
| I can't wait to get back to Iraq. | ||
| I mean, they obviously killed Kelly. | ||
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Talks about dark axes. | |
| Dark actors around him, people mistreating him, threatening him. | ||
| Well, I want to say it on the record. | ||
| I will never commit suicide. | ||
| and I have been threatened by dark actors, and if they're going to kill me, they're going to have to say they killed me. | ||
| Alex, do you think anyone who cuts their wrist would ever lie face down? | ||
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| What? | ||
| Well, quite simply, it stinks. | ||
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And it stinks like just about everything else going on right now. | |
| Hey, what type of extremists are you? | ||
| So Alex has created a full-on story based on nothing, which is fun. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Disrespectful a little bit. | ||
| Also, Alex has been threatened by dark actors. | ||
| Dark actors! | ||
| Who, Vincent Price? | ||
| Vincent Price! | ||
| What are you talking about? | ||
| Absolutely! | ||
| The House on Haunted Hill! | ||
| Who's threatening you? | ||
| Alex, I will come for you. | ||
| Bullshit. | ||
| So Alex brings in Michael Chosodowski, and they get to talking about the policy analysis market to kick things off. | ||
| I wonder if Vincent Price could pronounce Michael Chosodowski. | ||
| I think it would be tough. | ||
| I think it's tough for Alex, too, because he says Chosodowski. | ||
| But I think there's a V in there. | ||
| I think it's Chosodowski. | ||
| But, I mean, it's close. | ||
| Anyway, here's what they have to say about Pam. | ||
| And they're going to bet on what U.S. city is going to get hit by North Korea? | ||
| And then they get the money if we do get hit? | ||
| Why do you think they announced this? | ||
| Are they totally delusional and now on Nero or Caligula-like power trips up there, Professor? | ||
| Well, I think they've announced it because they want to have people invest in this venture. | ||
| In other words, people on Main Street USA who say, wow, I'm going to put my savings into this. | ||
| What? | ||
| who are investing in this, who have no inside knowledge of when and where these political assassinations and war plans are going to occur. | ||
| Well, of course, lose their lifetime savings. | ||
| That is the agenda. | ||
| They have to make a public announcement so that they can start having people investing. | ||
| That's such a bizarre interpretation of this. | ||
| Like, first of all, I mean, it never ends up happening, but it never was designed to be something for, like, public betting. | ||
| Because that would ruin the intelligence value of it. | ||
| The whole point of it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You'd again have just random-ass guesses. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Or taking, like, long bets, like, oh, this is a long shot, but maybe I'll get big. | ||
| Yeah, that's dumb. | ||
| They clearly don't know what they're talking about. | ||
| Also, let's not mince words. | ||
| If this guy was saying something Alex didn't like, you would do a very disrespectful impression of him. | ||
| Oh yeah. | ||
| I mean, God, the idea that he's like, okay, well the first thing I see here is that obviously normal people are going to bet their life savings on whether or not, say... | ||
| Steve Pachenik murders another Aldo Morrow. | ||
| You're going to lose the farm. | ||
| And then they've got nothing. | ||
| It's going to be like... | ||
| It's like the 1929 crash. | ||
| This is about ruining the middle class. | ||
| Don't you understand? | ||
| It's like when Archduke Ferdinand got assassinated, everybody went broke. | ||
| Like, immediately, the markets crashed. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They were like, we bet all our money on him living! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Everyone was very bullish on the Ottoman Empire. | ||
| Exactly! | ||
| They were like, oh, they're gonna stick around forever. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Yeah, so I think that's a little silly, and it sets the tone of, like, maybe you guys aren't really discussing things in reality. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And turns out, Joss Dovsky also thinks that David Calley was murdered. | ||
| I think, of course, the issue of David Kelly's so-called suicide, which is yet to be established, points to a much broader issue. | ||
| It may well also be a political assassination. | ||
| And it's clear that David Kelly had information which, if made public in a British parliamentary committee, could, of course, lead to the downfall of Tony Blair's government. | ||
| Yeah, so strong insinuations that he was murdered to silence him from taking down Tony Blair. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Makes sense. | ||
| This next clip, I don't really think that it's super hard hitting, but I think it illustrates a point that I want to drive home. | ||
| Do you see my concern with how they are overtly lying now and doing corrupt things and not caring? | ||
| That shows, and you're a professor of history and political science, that shows kind of the delusional thing we've seen with Stalin and Hitler or Caligula. | ||
| I mean, do you expect Bush to marry his horse or something in the near future? | ||
| I mean, have we reached that type of Roman emperor insanity? | ||
| Because I'm seeing a lot of signs of that. | ||
| Well, you know, I, for one, don't believe that Bush is the ultimate power behind this project. | ||
| Oh, yeah, he's obviously a puppet, yeah. | ||
| He is a puppet. | ||
| So there's a couple important points here. | ||
| The first is that no matter what's happening at any point in time and no matter what happened prior, Alex will always believe that the globalists are becoming so much more open in their treachery. | ||
| They're so much more evil than they were before. | ||
| It didn't used to be like this. | ||
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| Just yesterday, they were less evil than they are today. | ||
| Everything crystallized for me last night. | ||
| I was up for 67,000 hours straight. | ||
| This is to create the appearance of immediacy in the audience, taking advantage of their recency bias. | ||
| This is the same reason that in the present day, Alex calls everything that happens The Globalist's Main Attack. | ||
| On one level, it's to keep people excited and engaged, but it also serves another purpose, and that's to distract people from the things you've recently been wrong about. | ||
| The other thing I think is illustrated by this clip is how easily Alex goes off message. | ||
| He's trying to play that game of like, the globalists are really wilding out this time. | ||
| And he forgets that he's not supposed to think that Bush is actually in charge and a tyrant. | ||
| So he starts painting him as Caligula. | ||
| Then Chosodosky has to come in and remind him that there's supposed to be an evil cabal in charge of things. | ||
| There isn't like an actual public-facing tyrant. | ||
| Buddy, stick to the script. | ||
| Let's go. | ||
| He just forgets his own mythology at times when it starts feeling good to paint things in a certain way. | ||
| I mean, it's... | ||
| It's more exciting to start talking about Bush as a Caligula. | ||
| That's a great day. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| That's a great day. | ||
| You can be like, hey, Bush fucked a horse today. | ||
| Now what's going on? | ||
| Bringing up marrying a horse is always good fun. | ||
| Always fun. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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| So I think those are some important things to recognize about Alex, that no matter what period of time you're in, the globalists are really doing it this time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, they're coming for us. | ||
| The game has changed. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| The worm has turned. | ||
| I remember when I was a kid, the globalists, they were at least polite about how evil they were. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But now they're just flaunting it in our faces. | ||
| Before they would hide it, but now, no. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| You never used to see people spit on the sidewalk. | ||
| Now you see it all the time. | ||
| Cigarette butts? | ||
| Oh, it's a nightmare. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, Chosodovsky, in this next clip, kind of reveals something that I think is a way into understanding what his shit is all about. | ||
| They're saying that they want to go ahead and invade North Korea. | ||
| It's obvious, Professor, they're trying to escalate North Korea into making a first move, just like they have the ten-part plan to get the Japanese to attack us. | ||
| Comments? | ||
| Ten parts. | ||
| Well, absolutely. | ||
| And there again, I think the whole question of North Korea, what was behind this, whether it was, because there was a whole, there was an agreement which was signed between the two governments. | ||
| and in fact it's not North Korea which is really a threat to world security or to security in the Korean Peninsula, the United States. | ||
| That's really where you see some of the tendencies of Chosodovsky. | ||
| His website paints itself as an anti-globalization research outlet, but the larger reality is that they're just kind of anti-US. | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| Worse. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| For instance, global research was a major player in spreading Russian-based propaganda, both in the sphere of pushing pro-Assad narratives regarding Russia's involvement in Syria and in terms of the flow of every conspiracy involving Hillary in the 2016 election. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| They do basically the same kind of thing Alex does, which is to say that they take outlandish stuff and then give it a slick presentation that allows it to be more easily disseminated to unsuspecting viewers. | ||
| They give the appearance of credibility and research. | ||
| Research 2 Conspiracy Bullshit. | ||
| To give you some kind of idea of the content they're putting out, a 2020 State Department investigation found, quote, global research published or republished seven authors attributed by Facebook to be false online personas created by the main directorate of the general staff of the armed forces of the Russian Federation, popularly known as the GRU. | ||
| All right. | ||
| So that's kind of sloppy nonsense that's going on there. | ||
| They published seven authors who didn't exist, a total of over 180 articles by these fake people that were just Russian intelligence assets using fake names. | ||
| That's a win. | ||
| That's a win. | ||
| Staying on the Russia tip, Chosodovsky recently was making the rounds blaming the United States for Russia invading Ukraine because that's kind of his constant drumbeat. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Beyond that, Global Research had some really incredibly shitty content over the years. | ||
| Recently, in 2020, they published an article titled China's Coronavirus, a shocking update. | ||
| Did the virus originate in the United States? | ||
| This article was tweeted out by the spokesperson for the Chinese Foreign Ministry, and though it's not based on any actual true information, it became part of a large PR campaign and conspiracy theory against the United States. | ||
| Now, there is a little bit of a caveat that should be given, and that is that in the larger picture of Global Research's website, they also do cover a lot of stories that relate to countries that are often ignored by what you might call the mainstream media. | ||
| that do that too and don't also traffic in rank misinformation. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| When the content of a website is so shoddily produced and has such a clear slant, even if they do have coverage of issues relating to things like Latin American countries that are often neglected, it's pretty hard to trust that the reporting that you're getting is worth it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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And you should probably look somewhere else. | |
| That's what I would say. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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But I do think it's worth bringing up that there are some things, they might raise some issues. | |
| That, like, are worth knowing about, but you'd get better information about those issues elsewhere. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Overall, Chosodowski and Global Research are conspiracy peddlers that are in the business of presenting an anti-US and anti-Western perspective as a anti-globalization message. | ||
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Right. | |
| That's the sort of sleight of hand that's being engaged in here. | ||
| And if I had to guess why Chosodowski isn't on InfoWars anymore, this is why. | ||
| Like, he and Alex appeared to be on the same page and have heavy overlap, but they're actually polar opposites. | ||
| Like, he's strongly opposed to the West. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Whereas Alex fetishizes the West. | ||
| He is not stoked about Americana, nor does he feel that American lore is a good, acceptable history, perhaps. | ||
| Probably not. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Probably not. | ||
| I think that's a fundamental difference between them, and maybe it took years for them to figure that out. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because he's a pretty... | ||
| He's a fixture in a number of later years of Alex's show. | ||
| He's a pretty regular guest. | ||
| Sooner or later they got to the point where Alex was like, man, I love America. | ||
| And he's like, you know America's evil, right? | ||
| And he's like, get off my fucking show! | ||
| Shit! | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So the two of them start talking a little bit about conspiracies about Saddam's kids and the circumstances surrounding that. | ||
| And here's where we're at. | ||
| Professor Chosodosky, you talk about why do they need helicopters and tanks and hundreds of troops. | ||
| Well, because the troops aren't bad. | ||
| The helicopter pilots aren't bad. | ||
| They're told Saddam's sons are in there. | ||
| They've got to do that to kill and disfigure whatever patsy is inside. | ||
| So they can then send in the intelligence agency to come out, dress up the burnt corpse, and say, ooh, look, it's the brothers, regardless of it is or isn't. | ||
| So we know that's why they did this, whereas they could have just sent in a Delta Force team to wipe these guys out and shoot them and then bring them out. | ||
| This is all good fun, but Alex is just making stuff up out of his imagination to try to justify his incorrect conclusion that the killing of Saddam's sons was faked. | ||
| This is one of those telltale arguments that people who aren't acting with goodwill will make. | ||
| He's saying that they only sent in helicopters and tanks so they would be able to disfigure these bodies enough to be able to claim that they were Saddam's sons. | ||
| Leaving aside that subsequent tests of dental records and past surgeries confirmed that they were Saddam's sons, and Alex is totally wrong, that's his theory that he's running with. | ||
| Now, let's imagine a scenario where some troops just went in to try to capture or kill them and they ended up in a bad situation. | ||
| Let's imagine that maybe a couple of soldiers were killed and that Saddam's kids got away. | ||
| In that situation, you could easily come up with how that would be covered in Alex's show. | ||
| You'd have the option of saying that the military should have sent in tanks and helicopters and that they didn't because they secretly wanted Saddam's kids to get away. | ||
| They're all in it together. | ||
| They're in Belarus. | ||
| That's the way. | ||
| There are other options of how Alex could go with it, but the point is that with this narrative, he has you coming and going. | ||
| There isn't an option that he can't turn into some kind of a conspiracy, so you kind of just have Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| It's always great to listen to... | ||
| And then bang your head against a wall when people are making bad faith arguments that they don't even believe. | ||
| True, true. | ||
| But that's our job. | ||
| Yeah, it is our job. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| That's why I have replacement walls for you. | ||
| Over there. | ||
| I have screamed a few down. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| You have, like, psionic screams, like Banshee. | ||
| I am essentially Banshee from Mortal Kombat. | ||
| So we have one last clip here from the 29th, and it's Chosodosky talking about his relationship with headlines. | ||
| It's a little different than Alex's, but maybe there's some similarities. | ||
| I think it's the media which is actually misleading people because... | ||
| The headlines are misleading. | ||
| The headlines are lies. | ||
| And if you want to know the truth, you have to read between the lines, between the headlines. | ||
| You have to go to official documents. | ||
| You have to go on the Internet. | ||
| And essentially, there's a campaign of disinformation, which is using the news chain to mislead people. | ||
| And they know that we are against the New World Order. | ||
| Let me give you an example of something I even got sucked into briefly. | ||
| Big headline. | ||
| The feds want to tag all animals and tax them and track them under Homeland Security. | ||
| Well, I saw Ridge say that, and I saw Ridge push that a year ago. | ||
| I know they have a plan to do that, but then the feds come out and announce it, but really it's a plan to counter foreign beef and other foods to help our markets so they take a real story. | ||
| Overlay it with a false one to use our energies to actually defeat something good. | ||
| It's very sophisticated. | ||
| Well, absolutely. | ||
| So I agree with Chosodovsky, sort of, in that you do have to read past headlines, but I don't think that he's in the right place to be giving that advice. | ||
| Like, Infowars is headline central. | ||
| I do take issue with what he probably means by reading between the lines, because for Alex, that just means making things up, which I don't think is a good part of news consumption. | ||
| Also, that story Alex is telling is completely bizarre. | ||
| Let me track his line of thought and then explain what I think is probably going on here. | ||
| Okay, thank you. | ||
| So Alex says that Tom Ridge and Homeland Security were going to tag, tax, and trace all livestock. | ||
| All of them. | ||
| And then he saw a big headline about it. | ||
| Huge. | ||
| Now, in reality, this was a campaign that would support domestic beef production, but these globalists knew that Alex and his community were so against the New World Order that if they reported it in headlines about how it was about taxing and tracing all the... | ||
| to charge to oppose the plan, which is what the globalists wanted to begin with. | ||
| They wanted this good thing to be defeated. | ||
| Right. | ||
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As opposed to just not Proposing it? | |
| Right. | ||
| Or something? | ||
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I don't know. | |
| If I understand correctly, Alex is not realizing that what he's saying is that we are so fucking predictable, they know that if they put a headline on something, we won't read the article and we'll just get mad immediately. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And he's telling on himself a little bit. | ||
| He's saying that like, oh man, they're so sophisticated, as opposed to like... | ||
| Oh, we're simple dum-dums. | ||
| They're so sophisticated that they can trick us with shiny things in front of our faces. | ||
| They can hold up these jangly keys and we'll be like, oh, are those stars? | ||
| It's not fair. | ||
| It's, oh, how can we fight back? | ||
| So here's what I'm pretty sure actually happened. | ||
| In the executive order that Bush signed forming the Department of Homeland Security, one of the responsibilities of the office was to, quote, coordinate efforts to protect the United States'livestock, agriculture, and systems for the provision of water and food for human use and consumption from terrorist attacks. | ||
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Because Alex only reads sensational-ass right-wing conspiracy blogs, I'm sure he saw a headline that reported that is the Homeland Security Department announcing that they're going to tag some trace all livestock, So that was the conclusion that he came to without looking any deeper into the subject. | |
| Then at some point, Alex must have realized that he was wrong, so in order to save face and not have to admit that he's wrong and he's an idiot, he pretended that the initial headline he read was actually a globalist plot to trick him. | ||
| You know, they knew that he was opposed to the New World Order, so they planted that headline so he would oppose a good thing and further the globalists' master plan. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| There's something so on brand about this. | ||
| Like, Alex can admit that he's wrong about something, but only when the reason he's wrong is that because there was a conspiracy against him to make him wrong. | ||
| I know, but he doesn't realize that this makes him even more of a bumbling dope in the story. | ||
| It does. | ||
| And instead of him just being... | ||
| Well, if you're paying attention. | ||
| Well, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I mean, instead of him just... | ||
| He's supposed to have it being somebody who reacted too quickly and who just threw something out there without thinking about it. | ||
| I'm a knee-jerk idiot. | ||
| Instead, he's not only a knee-jerk idiot, but he's implied that his pattern of behavior is so complete and predictable. | ||
| And one-dimensional. | ||
| Right, that it can be taken advantage of with zero effort on their part whatsoever. | ||
| Instead of him making a mistake, this is him being exploited because the only thing he does is make mistakes. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So, the show does go on, and Chosodovsky is on for the rest of the show. | ||
| They take some calls, but things kind of get derailed by a caller who's, like, talking about how, hey, we always talk about what the United States is doing overseas, and we know that's bad, but why don't you give it up for the people who are trying to change things here? | ||
| And he keeps sort of hinting... | ||
| I think he's talking about militia, right-wing... | ||
| Terrorist-type folks. | ||
| I think that's what he's talking about. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because he's being really insinuating, and Alex is really weird about it. | ||
| As opposed to getting mad at him, I think Alex can tell that's what he's signaling to. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I would have clips of it because it's very bizarre, but it goes on for fucking ever, and it never really materializes into anything. | ||
| You gotta care about what the people here are doing, okay? | ||
| See? | ||
| You gotta care about okay. | ||
| See? | ||
| Okay! | ||
| Hey, man! | ||
| See? | ||
| It might not be far off from that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But it's really bizarre, and it goes on quite a while. | ||
| So we jump to the 30th, and Alex had Chosodovsky on the 29th, and he's got another exciting guest also with a name that's fun on this episode. | ||
| Coming up in the next hour, we've got the founder and the head of the Recall Governor Davis movement that was so successful in getting the 1.6. | ||
| Plus a million signatures, and the government was only able to throw out 300,000 of those. | ||
| Almost double the number that they needed to get the recall started were completed, that is the signatures. | ||
| And so now it moves into the rest of the process, and the candidates prepare to square off and to find out who the new governor is going to be. | ||
| Whether it's going to be a Democrat or a neocon like Arnold Schwarzenegger, or will it be one of the more conservative members of their legislature? | ||
| We'll find out from the folks that started it all in the next hour. | ||
| And this is important, even if you don't live in California, because California is a globalist test state, a model state for all the horrible systems they want to make mainstream in this country. | ||
| It's the system. | ||
| And that's why everybody hates it. | ||
| More than New York, more than Boston, more than Florida, even more than Texas or Michigan or Colorado, which are also model states for the New World Order. | ||
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What states aren't? | |
| And different programs are putting in. | ||
| So the guy's name is Howard Kalugan. | ||
| Howard Kalugan? | ||
| Spoiler alert. | ||
| All right. | ||
| So, yeah, we got the guy who started a group that was gathering signatures to get Gray Davis recalled. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| Got some great, bizarre guests on these two days. | ||
| I'm very excited. | ||
| So the first thing that jumps out to me in this clip is that Alex just described every place he doesn't like basically as where the globalists are testing their system out. | ||
| And where he lives. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But he has some problems with Austin. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Like, it's these states he doesn't like, like California and New York. | ||
| But his list is a little weird, since it also includes Boston, which isn't a state, and also Texas, which, as you pointed out, is where he lives and isn't a Democrat area. | ||
| But he would have rather have said Massachusetts and Austin instead of Texas and Boston. | ||
| True. | ||
| They rhyme. | ||
| So that might have slipped him up. | ||
| That does happen. | ||
| It seems to me that what Alex is driving at is that every state, including Boston, is a globalist testing ground. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Basically. | ||
| In the present day, Alex has moved that largely to other countries. | ||
| Typically, China is the place where globalists are testing things because they have a more repressive government and they aren't Russia. | ||
| So Alex can use the image of their government to scare his audience into thinking that's what the globalists have planned for them. | ||
| Periodically, whenever something catches on in right-wing media circles, he'll add other countries to the list of places that are globalist testing grounds. | ||
| For instance, when the trucker convoys were going on in Canada... | ||
| Canada turned out to be, like, the biggest place where globalists are testing things out. | ||
| It was the number one testing ground, and that's why they were there. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And when there were a lot of stories about COVID protests in Australia, it just so happened that that was actually where the globalists did their trial runs of tyranny. | ||
| They have got a lot of trials going on simultaneously. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Everywhere, in fact. | ||
| It's almost impossible to imagine how they organize everything. | ||
| Maybe the Earth is just their testing ground. | ||
| Do they use Asana? | ||
| I don't know what that is, but I've seen commercials on YouTube videos. | ||
| So this is just another feature of Alex's presentation that's meant to sound deep and meaningful, but it's actually just him talking shit. | ||
| That said, in 2003, he's saying that these globalists are trying things out in states, and also Boston, so I want to take a moment to point out that this is exactly what Alex believes should be happening. | ||
| According to his version of federalism, the states are basically laboratories where policies can be tested to see if they work. | ||
| That's a huge part of the thrust behind states'rights. | ||
| The idea that if a state wants to experiment with a particular policy, the people can vote to do that more easily than they could if it were something that was being done on a federal level. | ||
| And if there's something that goes really wrong with the policy, it's confined to that state, it doesn't involve everybody in the country. | ||
| The results could then be evaluated and other states would be able to decide if they wanted to. | ||
| If I were to pretend that Alex's enemies were real, and he's talking about something other than just left-leaning policies like welfare and anti-discrimination laws, his point is still self-defeating. | ||
| According to his own philosophy, these states should be testing out policies so people can see if they work. | ||
| Like, for example, how Colorado legalized weed, and then in the past six years, they've brought in more than $1.6 billion additional dollars in tax revenue, millions of which have gone to affordable housing, dealing with the opioid crisis, and improving It's a test that seems to have worked. | ||
| Seems to. | ||
| Alex believes that the states should be the place where political experiments happen. | ||
| Except when those experiments are things that he doesn't like. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And then it's the globalists who are doing a testing ground for tyranny. | ||
| And it is a good place to test things, but if another state is testing something that you don't want, then you should orchestrate a decades-long campaign to overthrow the Supreme Court, take it over, and then insist upon controlling things everywhere that you don't have control over. | ||
| Much like making tax revenues from weed, that seems to work. | ||
| Yeah, it does seem to have worked. | ||
| It does seem to have. | ||
| So Alex has a story that he missed yesterday, and I'll tell you he doesn't get in-depth on it, but he's pretty gross. | ||
| I didn't even talk about this yesterday. | ||
| I should have, but I got diverted off into other important issues. | ||
| Public gay high school to open in New York City. | ||
| So now it's about your sexual orientation. | ||
| That's what the schools are about. | ||
| It's about black studies and homosexual studies and New World Order studies. | ||
| It's not about reading, writing, and arithmetic. | ||
| It's about balkanizing America. | ||
| This is being done by design. | ||
| Imagine starting a school and calling it the heterosexual school. | ||
| I didn't know school was about sex. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Oh boy. | ||
| That's weird. | ||
| That is very weird. | ||
| So this is about Harvey Milk High School, which was announced in 2002 as an alternative school that would cater to LGBTQ students in New York City who are having difficulties in their public school settings due to things like bullying. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I think it's kind of natural to have some initial reaction to something like this and think that maybe this isn't the right solution to the problem. | ||
| Like, if bullying is the problem, then stopping the bullying seems like the thing to do, as opposed to creating a new public school for the students to go to, but that's not as easy as we would like it to be. | ||
| Stopping bullying is hard. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So, what if we did the thing where we just moved you out of the situation? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I mean, I think that it's a complicated conversation. | ||
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| I don't... | ||
| Yeah, I don't know. | ||
| But according to the American Educational Research Association, as many as one in three LGBTQ high school students ends up dropping out, while the national average is an 8% dropout rate. | ||
| And, quote, LGBTQ students report that their main reason for dropping out of high school is constant bullying and harassment from other students. | ||
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Right. | |
| So this does seem like... | ||
| A possible solution to this problem. | ||
| How in God's name could they do this? | ||
| School is not about sex. | ||
| That's why whenever we have all male schools and all female schools, that is okay. | ||
| But if there are different orientations that maybe don't apply in those situations, that's evil. | ||
| Well, actually, you know what? | ||
| I don't know if I've ever heard Alex talk about whether or not... | ||
| All male or all female schools are okay? | ||
| I think you'd be... | ||
| Totally fine with it if they're private schools. | ||
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Right. | |
| But I don't know what he would think if it was public. | ||
| And I don't know if he would actually make a distinction between the two when he's ranting about something. | ||
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That's a good point. | |
| But I do think that it would be a different conversation between the two. | ||
| And that's really the only reason why this has any relevant conversation around it at all. | ||
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Right. | |
| Because it's a public school. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| You know, I mean, at a certain point... | ||
| Maybe we have to stop listening to what conservatives are saying about schools whenever they're like, see, they're teaching stuff that's not reading, writing, and arithmetic! | ||
| And really understand that I think they're actually angry at the reading, the writing, and the arithmetic part. | ||
| Yeah, I think so, and the history. | ||
| Yeah, they don't like it. | ||
| Also, I looked into it, they don't have New World Order studies at Harvey Milk. | ||
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No, they don't! | |
| So, like I said, I looked into this, and it seems like the people who go there and work at Harvey Milk are enthusiastic about how important the school is and how it's a really positive learning environment. | ||
| According to the New York Public Schools information on their website, they only had 59 enrolled students this past year, and in the data going back to 2016, the highest of any year is 74. It seems like if this is a special location where people who would be having a terrible time in high school can learn in peace, I don't know really what the harm is. | ||
| None. | ||
| It's not like they have any different curriculum than any other high school, and they're subject to the same reviews as any other school would by the Board of Regents and what have you. | ||
| Also, an important point here is that the school is not exclusively LGBTQ. | ||
| Anybody can attend it. | ||
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Of course. | |
| It's not restricted. | ||
| You can't make a restricted school. | ||
| So just from a very basic standpoint, again, Alex shouldn't have a problem with this because it's the New York State Board of Education deciding to do this experimental program to see how it works. | ||
| And it seems like it's worked alright, since it's still open. | ||
| Great! | ||
| There have been other attempts to create high schools that are generally geared towards LGBTQ students, but they've not had as much success. | ||
| There was one planned here in Chicago back in 2008, but that fell through before it got off the ground. | ||
| Pride School Atlanta opened in 2016, but it closed in 2018 due to dropping enrollments. | ||
| But that one is interesting and a little bit different because it was a private school. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So that had sort of a different dynamic altogether. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| But yeah, those fell through, whereas the Harvey Muck School has endured. | ||
| You know, that is such a great point of view into the real ideology behind there. | ||
| It's not... | ||
| Listen, if you didn't want your... | ||
| Every argument every conservative's ever made... | ||
| I don't want my kids learning with LGBTQ students. | ||
| I don't want them in that situation learning things that they couldn't. | ||
| Okay, fine. | ||
| So, let's make a school for LGBTQ students. | ||
| And then your kids won't have to deal with it. | ||
| No, I want that school fucking closed too. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I want it all taken from them. | ||
| In a hypothetical sense, I agree with you that that is very revealing. | ||
| Although I do think that it would be wise to caution away from even engaging with the thought initially of like, let's put... | ||
| Them, in quotes, all somewhere else. | ||
| Because then you end up with segregated schools. | ||
| I'm not talking... | ||
| Of course you're not. | ||
| You and I know that. | ||
| You and I both know what we're talking about. | ||
| I'm just clarifying that in case it sounds like that is a bridge worth... | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I'm using this as an example. | ||
| I understand. | ||
| It's my job to be over-clarified sometimes. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| But it is the case. | ||
| If you think that it's about them not wanting to learn about LGBTQ issues with your students, no. | ||
| No, it's that they exist. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You don't want them there, and you don't want them there or here. | ||
| Yeah, it's a mess. | ||
| You got it. | ||
| So anyway, Alex is really, really excited about this Kalugan coming on. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Howard Kalugan. | ||
| Kalugan. | ||
| We do have Howard... | ||
| Kalugian coming on. | ||
| Kalugian? | ||
| I think he's actually right. | ||
| He's actually right. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| So we'll find out the inner workings, what the Democrats are trying to do to derail this, how they have one of their top agents, Michael Savage, one of the top beatnik agents in there who say he may run as an independent, which will then ensure that a liberal Democrat or liberal Republican... | ||
| Get selected. | ||
| Yeah, so Michael Savage is one of the Democrat top operatives. | ||
| It's so funny how we jump back and forth between this time period because every single time I'm always like... | ||
| Michael Savage is a top Democrat? | ||
| Oh, wait, no, I remember now. | ||
| I remember where we are in the storyline. | ||
| I'm caught up, you know? | ||
| He's not a legend of the patriot community and has been for years. | ||
| No, he's a long-haired beatnik who's trying to shill for neocons. | ||
| It's like I missed the second season of Better Call Saul or something. | ||
| He's shifting alliances. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| He's basically a socialist now. | ||
| So, Alex touches back on this policy market, the policy analysis market story, and man. | ||
| This is the day after. | ||
| It is. | ||
| That somebody has already told him to his face on his show, not happening. | ||
| Right, but it's still happening. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| This morning, we scanned the news wires for several hours. | ||
| My wife did. | ||
| One of my other employees did. | ||
| I did. | ||
| I scanned the news wires several hours last night, and about half the news articles... | ||
| In Forbes and Fortune and the New York Times are actually positive about the giant currency slash war, death, speculation, gambling house, insider trading house that's already been set up at the Pentagon years ago, but they were going to make it public and claim it was legal. | ||
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| About half the articles are positive. | ||
| They say it's needed. | ||
| I was watching CNN last night and they talked about how this would keep us safe and maybe it's needed and Fox was joking about it but said, you know, maybe it's a bad idea but it was just to keep us safe. | ||
| Yeah, secret passwords where anyone can bet on where the next terror attack will be in the billions of dollars. | ||
| And you have the government run a speculation market, which should be illegal in and of themselves, or bad enough, and upset markets and ruin people and are much more dangerous than any Las Vegas casino. | ||
| Almost everything Alex is saying about this story is completely wrong. | ||
| The factual stuff is just him riffing details to make this more interesting as a conspiracy, and things like secret passwords just had to do with people who were investing would have accounts with passwords. | ||
| Well, yeah, they would have password-protected accounts. | ||
| So scary. | ||
| This is a dead story, because the market that was proposed didn't actually happen. | ||
| These two Democratic senators pushed back on it, and the project was abandoned. | ||
| Because that's the case, Alex needs to kind of shift the tone of his coverage, and that's why the story is now that this betting market has existed for a while secretly and still does exist, but they're just trying to make it public. | ||
| The public unveiling of the program failed, but the program still totally exists in secret, and Alex could definitely prove it. | ||
| He has the documents, and it's in the white papers. | ||
| You know it. | ||
| Honestly, it's basically just your office March Madness pool, but blown up, you know, and also literally blown up. | ||
| This is a pretty savvy move on Alex's part, because if he didn't do this, his narrative would actually be tied to reality. | ||
| The program would be done for, and that's that. | ||
| Nothing else to really see here. | ||
| The government actually worked the way he claims he wants it to. | ||
| This is a conspiracy dead end. | ||
| So if you want to get mileage out of this, which you've already spent a day trying to work up, you have to change the story. | ||
| Yeah, and what's important is not that you theoretically quote-unquote won. | ||
| You were against this policy, and now this policy is shelved. | ||
| That has nothing to do. | ||
| You're not going to go and be like, hey, we did it. | ||
| You and reinforcing that you and your listeners did something is way worse than telling them that you are doing something and that you are continuing to do something and that nothing you ever do will end in a victory, but we're always going to keep going, you know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, Alex, you know, there's sometimes cute moments on his show. | ||
| I think this might be a little bit cute. | ||
|
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Okay. | |
| Hey, thanks a lot, Mike. | ||
| Appreciate it, bud. | ||
| Mike just walked into the studio and gave me some coffee. | ||
| Yes, I hadn't had my coffee today. | ||
| I'm trying to break myself of it. | ||
| I'm addicted to it. | ||
| It is a drug. | ||
| I am phasing myself off of it, but I had a big fat headache. | ||
| So Mike was coming into the studio, and I called him on the cell phone about ten minutes ago and said, will you get me a coffee? | ||
| And Mike walked right in as I was going on the air. | ||
| And handed me this coffee, this drug. | ||
| Of course, it's about 20 times less strong than Ritalin that we give 15-month-old babies in this country, but it's still bad stuff, and I really shouldn't do it. | ||
| Just drink your fucking coffee. | ||
| By the way, there's a move to tax and... | ||
| Perhaps even ban coffee. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Just drink your fucking... | ||
| It doesn't... | ||
| Everything doesn't have to be everything! | ||
| I'm pretty sure they also already text coffee. | ||
| They definitely text coffee. | ||
| And no one was talking about banning coffee. | ||
| Also, 15-month-olds are definitely not prescribed riddle. | ||
| I don't know what would... | ||
| How? | ||
| According to the FDA, it hasn't been approved for people under six, though in some extreme cases it can be prescribed to people over the age of three, but that's going to be pretty rare. | ||
| Also, it's really funny to see Alex making a big deal about how dangerous of a drug coffee is and how he needs to quit, considering his rampant alcohol abuse and apparent problem with stimulants in recent days. | ||
| Yeah, listen, he's trying to cut back, okay? | ||
| On the stimulants. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So this next clip, I think it's sort of tracking an under... | ||
| Wait, wait, hold on. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Am I wrong in thinking that one of his products is coffee? | ||
| Yeah, he sells the Wake Up America blend, the Chiapas Farmers. | ||
| Am I wrong in thinking that one of his products has a shit ton of caffeine in it? | ||
| He has a bunch of weird, like, pseudo-stimulants, sure. | ||
| The ones that he's like, hey, take half of this, it'll fuck you up. | ||
| That's what I'm trying to, I'm like... | ||
| Brain Force Ultra? | ||
| Again, we're bouncing back between timelines, so it's like, oh, I'm trying to get off coffee. | ||
| But in my head, I'm like, wait, aren't you about to do an ad for coffee? | ||
| Yeah, I'm not sure if he's selling coffee at this point yet, but I... | ||
| I think it was before the supplements. | ||
| Yeah, I think so. | ||
| I think this is before he gets all of his line of bullshit, and then he's like, ooh, boy, caffeine and other associated the like are great. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, it's weird. | ||
| Oh, well. | ||
| Also, Alex does not limit himself to coffee. | ||
| That's fair. | ||
| Alex takes some calls, and this is sort of a part of a path that we've been going down, and that is, you know, it started very exciting, because we met someone named Dan from Illinois. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And it turns out he calls in all the fucking time. | ||
| Yeah, that's a little bit different. | ||
| And I've fallen more and more out of love with him. | ||
| Yeah, that's not surprising. | ||
| Dan from Illinois is a real piece of shit. | ||
| Yeah, Dan from Illinois sucks. | ||
| All right, let's go to Dan in Illinois, then Scott, Greg, Michael, and others. | ||
| Dan, you're on the air. | ||
| Welcome. | ||
|
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How are you doing, Alex? | |
| Fantastic. | ||
|
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Just to add to what you were saying a minute ago, it's a massive redefinition of acceptable behavior. | |
| Yeah, we're going to have homosexual high schools. | ||
| Well, are we going to have heterosexual high schools? | ||
| A school that's about sexual orientation? | ||
| I mean, even if you're a liberal, and we're all for what the homosexuals are doing, still, you don't... | ||
| Have a school that is about someone's sexual orientation, much less a destructive lifestyle. | ||
| I mean, folks, this is basically pedophilia being legalized, and I've got a stack of articles on it today. | ||
| That sounds fairly close to his modern shit. | ||
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I mean, does he think that they're teaching Yes. | |
| Okay. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's what I thought? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I couldn't believe for a real second that somebody would do that. | ||
| But it's true. | ||
| He doesn't think that they're teaching, like, math. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| He thinks that it's teaching gay stuff. | ||
|
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Yep. | |
| Yep. | ||
| Over the pants. | ||
|
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Yep. | |
| A little gross. | ||
| Disgusting. | ||
| Fuck you, Dan from Illinois. | ||
| Fuck you, Dan from Illinois. | ||
| So Alex is going to bring in Howard Kalugian. | ||
| I gotta say, I was looking into him, and from everything I can tell, he seems like he's just your kind of run-of-the-mill shady lawyer who was also involved in recalling a governor, and then he also had a failed Senate run. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's the chair of the Recall Gray-Davis Committee, though it should be noted that another member of that committee was notorious pollster Frank Luntz, who Alex is currently obsessed with suggesting is in a relationship with Kevin McCarthy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They live together. | ||
| Weird. | ||
| Also, dipping around in Kalugian's history, I found an interesting tidbit. | ||
| In 2004, apparently he was heading a campaign to block theaters from playing Michael Moore's movie Fahrenheit 9-11. | ||
| There was a very impassioned op-ed that I found calling out Klugian and supporting Michael Moore. | ||
| From that article, quote, Colugian's arm-twisting organization Move America Forward has called Moore's film a recruiting video for Al-Qaeda. | ||
| In other words, Moore is a terrorist. | ||
| It should be more than obvious by now what far-right-wingers like Colugian and Ashcroft want done to those they consider terrorists, or, for that matter, those who disagree with Bush. | ||
| The writer of that op-ed? | ||
| Alex's longtime writer and one-time webmaster, Kurt Nimmo, writing on his own blog. | ||
| Yep. | ||
|
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What? | |
| No! | ||
| Another fun fact. | ||
| Nemo has bylines on globalresearch.ca from 2004 all the way up to the present day. | ||
| What? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| No! | ||
| Yeah, Nemo's a weird thread. | ||
| What is happening with Nemo? | ||
| Yeah, so a year after this interview, Kurt Nemo wrote an article lambasting Kalugian as a free speech tyrant. | ||
| What is happening? | ||
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I don't know. | |
| So anyway, Kalugian comes in and they have like a real fun jocular time. | ||
| Oh, good. | ||
| I can't think of anything better in our republic than recalling an open border promoting, gun grabbing... | ||
| Energy-speculating creature like Governor Davis. | ||
| The problem is, are we going to get a neocon like Schwarzenegger, or are we going to get some other Democrat winning, or will a Michael Savage throw it by running as an independent? | ||
| Let's go ahead and go to Howard Kalugian. | ||
| Good to have you on the show, sir. | ||
|
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Thank you very much, Alex. | |
| It's good to be with you today. | ||
| You bet. | ||
| Tell us a little bit about yourself, the zenith of this, how you started it, what the process has been like, and where we're going, and how you see this breaking down. | ||
|
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Well, quickly about me, I'm an attorney, but don't hold it against me. | |
| Boo! | ||
|
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It's really cute that the two of them are getting along pretty well, having this fake laugh, because they would absolutely fucking hate it. | |
| hate each other if they knew what the other ones stood for. | ||
|
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Oh, yeah. | |
| Case in point, Kalugian is super in favor of the war in Iraq. | ||
| In 2005, he was so into the enduring war that he began an organization called Moving America Forward, along with Sal Russo, a political communications and strategy guy who was also a key member of the Recall Gray Davis Committee. | ||
| Right. | ||
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The new group was meant to, quote, report the good news on Operation Iraqi Free. | |
| You're not hearing from the old line news media. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| This led to an embarrassing fuck-up where Kalugian posted a picture of a quiet street and claimed that it was Baghdad, you know, trying to make the argument that the war was super effective and things were going great. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| It also turned out that this was a street in Istanbul. | ||
| Kalugian, in a classic right-wing move, would go on to blame a staffer for the fuck-up. | ||
| I can't believe it. | ||
| So many goddamn people. | ||
|
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I mean, who is releasing... | |
| So we already touched on his opposition to free speech vis-a-vis Michael Moore, and also we should say that Kalugian tried to co-opt the Tea Party by starting a bus tour called the Tea Party Express, which tried to get doomed candidates elected, and it raised a bunch of money that got funneled to organizations run by Kalugian and his longtime collaborator Russo. | ||
| Yeah, that's the way to... | ||
| Steel. | ||
| The face man for the Tea Party Express was a radio host named Mark Williams, or at least it was until he had some controversy about a racist letter that he posted on his website. | ||
| Actually, that's not totally accurate. | ||
| He didn't end up stepping down from the Tea Party Express. | ||
| The National Tea Party Federation said that the Tea Party Express needed to fire Williams for the clearly racist letter, and they refused to, so the national organization expelled them from the formal Tea Party. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| When did they let him back in? | ||
| I'm not sure if they did. | ||
| So the letter was written from the perspective of freed enslaved persons. | ||
| Nope! | ||
| Towards Abraham Lincoln. | ||
| Nope, nope, no, no, no, no, no, no. | ||
| Excuse me, sir. | ||
| Excuse me. | ||
| I'm going to read you a little bit of it. | ||
| Oh, God, no. | ||
| Quote, Mr. Lincoln, you are the greatest racist ever. | ||
| We had a great gig. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Three squares, room and board, all of our decisions made by Massa in the house. | ||
| We coloreds have taken a vote and decided that we don't cotton to the whole emancipation thing. | ||
| Freedom means having to work for real, think for ourselves, and take consequences along with the rewards. | ||
| That's just far too much to ask of us colored people, and we demand that it stop. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| Insane. | ||
| That is... | ||
| Bonkers. | ||
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Yep. | |
| That's bad stuff. | ||
| And this is the dude that Kalugian was willing to go to bat for, so that's great. | ||
| Also, in response to the proposed Ground Zero mosque, this guy, Williams, said that it would be, quote, for the worship of the terrorist's monkey god, which apparently also wasn't enough for him to get in trouble with the Tea Party Express. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Anyway, the point is the Kaluigi and loves the Iraq war, hates free speech and was an active part of trying to grift on the Tea Party in a way that really served to worsen the parts of the community that were an embarrassment in the eyes of the larger population, which probably hurt a number of their candidates at the polls. | ||
| And like Alex should really fucking hate this dude. | ||
| I mean, long term, though, that was the right move. | ||
| Well, sure. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| I mean, you gotta give it to him there. | ||
| It's sort of an accidental victory. | ||
| I suppose. | ||
| But Alex, I mean, he stands for a lot of things that Alex, in theory, should be very much against. | ||
| All he knows about him is that he's against Gray Davis, and so it's like, yeah, fuck yeah, I'm into this. | ||
| Yeah, it is so much like that. | ||
| There are so many false equivalencies that we can make between America and Russia and all that shit right there, but the one thing that is always true is that there are weirdo right-wing assholes who are going to be like, listen, Our government is not hurting anybody. | ||
| I promise you, everything's great! | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Are they paying me? | ||
| No, that's the weirdest part of this. | ||
| I'm doing it for free. | ||
| Well, not totally for free. | ||
| I'm conning you. | ||
| I'm conning others, but not them, who should be paying me to con for you. | ||
| So, Alex gets to espousing some ideas about Gray Davis and electoral politics in California, and this is really incoherent. | ||
| Now, Governor Davis has had his La Reconquista folks calling for revolution and breaking up the U.S. He's had his minions on TV basically energizing the illegal aliens to go steal this election. | ||
| Now if that were true at all, how would it be possible for Gray Davis to be one of only four governors in the history of the United States to face a recall election? | ||
| If he had all these illegal votes rigging elections, why did he rig it so he would be one of only two governors in U.S. history to actually be recalled? | ||
| It seems like a really dumb use of power that Alex is pretending that he wields, but that's just because Alex's position isn't sincere. | ||
| It's just xenophobia and racism. | ||
| I think it's because you just don't understand four-dimensional chess. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| You gotta lose to win. | ||
| Everybody knows this about chess. | ||
| You're right. | ||
| I'm saying that Kluge and his friends were bad decision makers in terms of the tea party, but it turns out in the long run... | ||
| In the longer run, it's a whole different thing. | ||
| You're right. | ||
| You're not. | ||
| No. | ||
| So Klugian, man, he's got some fucking weird ideas about America. | ||
| Surprise! | ||
| This is only the second time in the last hundred years this has happened. | ||
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That's correct. | |
| The first time was in North Dakota, and so that really doesn't count. | ||
| You know what I hate? | ||
| Man, I hate all these Democrat coastal elites looking down on flyover country. | ||
| I can't stand how these California liberals are out here pretending that they're the only ones that matter and things that happen in smaller states don't count. | ||
| Thank God we have these upstanding right-wing patriots standing up and caring about what happens in middle America. | ||
| They're talking for the real Americans, man. | ||
| For the people that don't have a voice. | ||
| Yeah, they would never say that... | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| They wouldn't just discount massive... | ||
| Amounts of geography based solely upon their own bigotries and lack of care, that would be silly. | ||
| Coastal elite? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| North Dakota doesn't count? | ||
| I mean, it's not like there are any coastal elites in the Republican Party. | ||
| You would have to go from what? | ||
| Be on, say, one of those schools on the East Coast, like Harvard or Yale or something like that, or one of those schools on the West Coast, like Stanford. | ||
| We don't have a lot of Republicans from those schools, right? | ||
| None. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know. | ||
| I find that kind of dumb, distasteful. | ||
| So, Alex also is a little bit dumb. | ||
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Every governor since the 60s, including Ronald Reagan and Jerry Brown and George Duke Magin and Pete Wilson, every governor. | |
| has had a recall effort begun against him. | ||
| Not once has it ever gotten to the point of actually making the ballot, because never before have we had a governor this bad taking us to the brink of banking. | ||
| Hey, I tell you, it's getting pretty close in Arizona with conservatives going after McCain. | ||
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Yes, well, that could be, but I'm not familiar enough with that. | |
| You know what I hate? | ||
| I hate all these Democrat, liberal socialists who have no idea what the Constitution actually says. | ||
| I can't stand these dumb, dumb left-wingers out here spouting nonsense about what they think the country is about. | ||
| Thank God we have these patriots like Alex who live and breathe our country's founding documents. | ||
| They're policy walks. | ||
| On a sincere note, according to the Constitution, you cannot recall people elected to federal positions. | ||
| It would be impossible for the people of Arizona to recall McCain without first getting an amendment passed that would completely overhaul election rules on a national level. | ||
| Alex has no idea what he's talking about and just throwing out whatever bullshit he wants to make the show interesting, even if it violates the fucking... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Listen, I know you think that just because there are more steps than he assumes means that he's wrong, but you can still be pretty close to more steps. | ||
| It's not more steps. | ||
| No, there's one more step. | ||
| You have to get a national constitutional amendment passed. | ||
| The distance between those steps you could not make in a step. | ||
| They're pretty big steps. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| That is true. | ||
| Yeah, we're going to recall this senator. | ||
| All right. | ||
| All right, we got to get McCade. | ||
| Okay, so let's get him out of there. | ||
| Let's do a recall. | ||
| No, we can't do that because of the Constitution. | ||
| Remember that? | ||
| Well, how do we change that? | ||
| You want to change the Constitution? | ||
| I thought we loved the Constitution. | ||
| Nah, you change it whenever you need to. | ||
| I don't even know what to say. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| He loves the Constitution. | ||
| He loves America. | ||
| So this recall is going down, right? | ||
| And so the way it's structured is that there is one election that's going to happen. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| There's going to be two things on the ballot. | ||
| One is, should Gray Davis be recalled? | ||
| Right. | ||
| And then the second thing is, if so, which of these people should replace him? | ||
| Right. | ||
| So if the first measure passes, then the second question will come into play. | ||
|
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Right. | |
| If it doesn't, then Gray Davis stays in office. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's the way it goes. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| And so they're talking a little bit about who Kalugian backs in the race. | ||
| It might surprise you. | ||
| Who do you favor? | ||
| To win the state rep, Issa, who has a more conservative record, or an Arnold Schwarzenegger, kind of a neocon? | ||
| I mean, who are you leaning towards? | ||
|
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The congressman's name is Issa. | |
| Issa, yeah. | ||
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And he is from the San Diego area, as am I. And he had the vision to see the need for the recall, and he provided the leadership to get it finished. | |
| The volunteer effort was significant, but it was not able... | ||
| Well, he's now being attacked, and obviously he's a lot better than Arnie and the rest of these guys. | ||
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Yes, and I would be supporting Congressman Issa. | |
| However, I don't think Arnold Schwarzenegger is going to run. | ||
| Wow, bad prediction. | ||
|
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Yep. | |
| Also, Daryl Issa didn't run. | ||
|
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Nope. | |
| Also, we know from Matt Drudge that Issa was named after Daryl Issa as a joke. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| That the globalists are playing or something. | ||
| It's weird how they do that. | ||
| Daryl Issa actually didn't run in this recall election because of suspicions and accusations that were made about his early organization of the recall campaign that we're talking about right now. | ||
| That there were insinuations that he funded early efforts to get the recall going. | ||
| For himself to be able to run. | ||
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Sure. | |
| That was a little bit of hot water. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so he withdrew from the race. | ||
| Yeah, of course, because that definitely wasn't the case. | ||
| As Kalugian here himself is saying, of course the volunteer effort would have no effect if it weren't for this guy's... | ||
| Oh, wait, no, that does sound the opposite. | ||
| Yeah, so his prediction, Kalugian's, is that Issa is going to run and Schwarzenegger is not. | ||
| Wrong on two counts. | ||
| Now we get to the idea about Savage. | ||
| Michael Savage of the Savage Nation. | ||
| He's going to independent throw a wrench in the race. | ||
| We'll see what Kalugian thinks. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| What about a Mr. Weiner running? | ||
| Wouldn't he basically... | ||
| I mean, what would happen if... | ||
| Wouldn't Mr. Savage, the alias, wouldn't he pull the more conservatives to vote for him, but not win, and then you end up getting one of the liberals winning? | ||
|
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I don't think so. | |
| I'm not concerned about Arnold Schwarzenegger. | ||
| I don't think he's going to run. | ||
| And I don't know this other person that you're mentioning. | ||
| Michael Savage. | ||
| You've never heard of Michael Savage? | ||
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Oh, Michael Savage? | |
| Oh, he's not going to run. | ||
| That's kind of silly. | ||
| I like how he can be almost patronizing and wrong and patronizing and right in the same clip. | ||
| That's nice. | ||
| And also just have a clear... | ||
| I do enjoy it when guests clearly don't know anything about the narratives Alex is trying to build and accidentally completely deflate them. | ||
| You're silly. | ||
| That's always my favorite. | ||
| This thing that you're pushing as a legitimate possibility that you need to be worried about because it's a globalist plan. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's silly. | ||
| It is always fun whenever people are like... | ||
| Unaware of their responsibility, their role. | ||
| Everybody is always aware. | ||
| Like, all the good Alex guests are like, yes, absolutely. | ||
| And here's what I have to, you know, yes and all the way. | ||
| But every time somebody is like, no, we're having a genuine conversation here, obviously Michael Savage isn't going to run. | ||
| That's silly. | ||
| Only a fool would believe that. | ||
| What kind of show would have something like that on there? | ||
| The only person who would be suggesting such a thing is someone trying to trick an audience. | ||
| Yeah, you would have to have some... | ||
| What sort of nefarious purpose behind that sort of suggestion? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, this interview ends with good tidings of a coming recall election. | ||
|
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Sure. | |
| And then Alex goes into the third hour, and he has a guest named Bilbo Shears. | ||
| Billy Shears! | ||
| His name's Bilbo Shears? | ||
|
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20 years ago today, Alex, let me introduce to you... | |
| The one and only Billy Shears! | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I didn't write that in advance, so I didn't have the other lyrics. | ||
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I understand. | |
| I do think he goes by Billy Shears, and I do think it's probably a Beatles reference. | ||
| But he is a guy who has a radio show, and Alex is a guest on it sometimes, and so I think this is a little quid pro quo. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Because it's a guy who, I don't know, just a boring anti-communist radio host. | ||
| Just a dude who gets to show up. | ||
| Shoot the shit for a little while with Alex on his show and then go back to his own hometown minor league radio show. | ||
| Well, no, because he broadcasts out of a 100-watt blowtorch or whatever. | ||
| Alex always calls these radio stations blowtorches, which I like. | ||
| All right. | ||
| But their interview, meaningless. | ||
| Just talking about how great they are and how they break all the stories in the world. | ||
| It doesn't get better than our form of media, lying. | ||
| And so they end up taking some calls. | ||
| And they get this one call that I think is fascinating. | ||
| Would play all of it, but it's pretty long, and there's also parts of it that kind of veer around, and it's circuitous. | ||
| But the beginning of this call is essentially this guy saying, like, hey, Alex, I want to bring this up to you. | ||
| I think that if you actually engaged with some of the... | ||
| Material that's being put out by left-leaning folks and a lot of socialist organizations, they're actually complaining about a lot of the same stuff you are. | ||
| And Alex's response is basically like, yeah, yeah, they bring up good points, but then they try to get you into world government. | ||
| And then the guy's like, well, no, that's not actually true. | ||
| And so they go to break, and they come back, and Alex actually goes back to this guy. | ||
| And I just don't think Alex can handle this kind of... | ||
| A conversation. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He just has nowhere to go with it. | ||
|
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Yeah, what I'm talking about is that some of the very outrages that you're talking about have been exposed by leftist and socialist publications that I read. | |
| They do. | ||
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Hold on. | |
| They do expose it, but then they give you bad solutions. | ||
| They don't do anything about it. | ||
|
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Well, what they're talking about, what I'm saying, though, is that I think it's very dangerous because these neocombs have dressed up their schemes for destroying the Constitution. | |
| the Bill of Rights plunging us into wars for empire under the name of anti-communism. | ||
| Let me stop you. | ||
| Let me stop you. | ||
| That's absolutely true. | ||
| And then here's the twist that proves what Bellin and I are saying. | ||
| Ron Paul read from dozens of their own books and publications, the top neocons are Machiavellian first and foremost, and they were formed out of Trotsky's Fourth International. | ||
| Now, that's a fact. | ||
| The founders, let me finish. | ||
| The founders are Trotskyites. | ||
| So you've got real hardcore communists saying they're anti-communists, calling for big government. | ||
| And see, you can't understand that. | ||
| You can't compute that the enemies all around us, that they're big government. | ||
| People, whether you call them right-wing or left-wing, they want to control the entire paradigm. | ||
| Go ahead, John. | ||
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Well, I think you're projecting people like Irving Kristol might have been on the left at one time, maybe as either plants by the CIA or opportunists who then saw that their origins could be traded on to become anti-communist. | |
| But this does not mean that they're not profound. | ||
| No, today they call for a social welfare. | ||
| They call for control. | ||
| They call for big government. | ||
| So you're confused. | ||
| You're spinning your wheels, John. | ||
| Thanks for the call. | ||
| Thanks for the call, John. | ||
| I really appreciate it. | ||
| Bill, any other comments on that? | ||
| None whatsoever. | ||
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You did a fine job. | |
| I would have done it earlier. | ||
| Thank you, Billy Shears! | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| Yeah, that is really telling. | ||
| The caller actually has exactly Alex's number, and that is the point that he's making is that Irving Kristol did involve himself in some Trotskyite thought before ending up beginning the neoconservative ideology or going down that path. | ||
| And he calls this out and says, this does not characterize the entirety of... | ||
| This whole philosophy that you're painting in this life, that's not defining of the neocons, just because this one detail you can extrapolate out. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And Alex can't handle it, so he hangs up on him. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And insinuates that you just can't see past the paradigm that I can see. | ||
| I mean, I heard the big moment happen whenever he was like... | ||
| You realize that they're dressing this all up in the guise of anti-communism. | ||
| And Alex cut him off immediately because all I heard was him being like, yeah, that's what the Birchers have been trying to do. | ||
| No, you're right. | ||
| That's what we're doing, but I'm not going to say that's what we're doing. | ||
| No, no, no, because that's what the neocons are doing. | ||
| It's what the neocons are doing, and I'm against them. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| Click. | ||
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Yep. | |
| Bye! | ||
| So we get another call, and this is actually far more important. | ||
|
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And apparently you're upsetting people, too. | |
| My Infowars.com sticker was actually ripped off of my car here in College Station. | ||
| So I guess that's a good thing that you're apparently pissing people off. | ||
| Well, just do me a favor. | ||
| Let's be careful of language. | ||
| A lot of kids are listening, but you're telling me that somebody ripped your sticker off. | ||
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Yeah, I had my Infowars.com sticker that I had gotten when I lived in Austin. | |
| And now here in College Station. | ||
| And apparently, I guess somebody went and looked up the site or knew what you were about. | ||
| You know, Homeland Security is going to base one of its main capitals, kind of its new School of Americas, for the American KGB, there with all the gullible neocons. | ||
| So that's probably why that happened. | ||
| Yeah, probably. | ||
| That is almost certainly why that happened. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| This caller calls in and his InfoWars sticker was torn off his car. | ||
| It's probably Homeland Security. | ||
| I wouldn't have considered Homeland Security because that wasn't on my mind. | ||
| But now that you've said it, it's so obvious. | ||
| That is almost a parody of Alex's mentality. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That is so absurd. | ||
| Somebody calling in with the pettiest of nonsense, meaningless vandalism, let's say, to be very generous, and it's a fucking conspiracy that involves a department of the federal government. | ||
|
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Yep. | |
| Yep. | ||
| You got it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, the other day somebody stole my bike, and the reason is obviously because Pam was shut down 20 years ago. | ||
| That was the whole idea behind it, you know? | ||
| So they had to get my bike stolen. | ||
| Damn. | ||
| It's brutal. | ||
| What? | ||
| Just amazing way to think. | ||
| So this next clip, Jordan. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Really depressing. | ||
| What's sad about it? | ||
| Well, I just had a birthday. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And you... | ||
| Am having a birthday. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so age is maybe on our minds. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| I don't know how to break this to you. | ||
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Uh-oh. | |
| Now that's basically what I do is cover news and information here and try to defend the Republic against enemies foreign and domestic. | ||
| And I'm 29 years old. | ||
| And I've been in this fight for 19 years, on the air for over eight. | ||
| Does that answer your basic question? | ||
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I believe it does. | |
| Are you familiar with the organization Liberty Lobby and such? | ||
| Yeah, I think that they've done great work with alternative news, and I am familiar with them, yes. | ||
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Oh, because I was under the impression that perhaps you were a spinoff from them or such. | |
| Well, I think we're all spinoffs of the Bill of Rights and Constitution in 1776. | ||
| Goddamn. | ||
| It's so wild to just have a reminder that Alex is 29. Do you ever... | ||
| Every time you go back and you look at... | ||
| If they ever show you a 1950s high school yearbook and you start looking through it and you're like... | ||
| These people are 45. There's no way people looked this old at this age. | ||
| Right, or you watch Saved by the Bell. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| You guys are 50 years old, easily. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| That, him, the words, I'm 29, coming out of that mouse, it's absurd. | ||
| Unacceptable. | ||
| Well, I mean, it's like Bobcat Goldthwait would talk about how, like, when he first started out, he was young, and no one ever was like, look at this young guy. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, nobody was like, oh, we got the hot new thing. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| No, no, he's Bobcat Goldthwait. | ||
| Or Larry David looked old when he was young. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| But Alex is like, he just has this vibe of, like. | ||
| No, you're old. | ||
| He's 45 in this clip. | ||
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No, he's 29. He's on the edge of death always. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| I think a big part of it is that he sounds weary a little bit. | ||
| And then the other thing, too, is that he's saying these things that are so antiquated that you just think, like, this guy's got to be a grandpa. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, and he is doing a Limbaugh voice. | ||
| True. | ||
| He's still doing a Limbaugh voice at this time. | ||
| So he's 29 and he's... | ||
| Yeah, that's definitely true. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| That sucks. | ||
| But what sucks more is that Alex is aware of the Liberty Lobby and that he's into them. | ||
| That's because neo-Nazi and white nationalist Willis Cardo started the Liberty Lobby as an effort to sway public opinion against Jews. | ||
| This is an actual quote from a letter that Cardo wrote. | ||
| Quote, Hitler's defeat was the defeat of Europe and of America. | ||
| How could we have been so blind? | ||
| The blame, it seems, must be laid at the door of the international Jews. | ||
| It was their propaganda, lies, and demands which blinded the West to what Germany was doing. | ||
| If Satan himself, with all of his superhuman genius and diabolical ingenuity at his command, had tried to create a permanent disintegration ...and force for the destruction of the nations, he could have done no better than to invent the Jews. | ||
| I could not believe that Paul Joseph Watson said that. | ||
| Cardo's political activism included starting the Youth for Wallace organization to support the presidential run of segregationist George Wallace. | ||
| This group eventually became the National Youth Alliance, which would end up splintering into different organizations, one of which being the National Alliance, led by William Luther Pierce, who is a straight-up neo-Nazi and the author of the Turner Diaries, which is considered more or less the essential text of the modern militia white supremacist community. | ||
| Pierce's mentor while in the National Youth Alliance, coincidentally, was the fascist founding member of the John Birch Society, Revelo P. Oliver. | ||
| So this is all fun, but this is the intellectual tradition that Alex celebrates and he comes from. | ||
| It's a clusterfuck of white supremacists and Nazis with a group name desperate to mask their true character with the appearance of patriotism. | ||
|
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Right. | |
| And it's important to remember that sometimes when there's some goofy dumb bullshit that Alex is coming into, and when we have in the present day these reminders that people like Paul and his employees harbor these same sorts of feelings and express them sometimes in moments of... | ||
| Looseness. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| It makes total sense, because the people where all of their information comes from, the people who are the forefathers of them in this, I guess if you want to call it information war, they were white supremacists and Nazis. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| No, they are. | ||
| Well, some of whom are dead. | ||
| Well, that's fair. | ||
| To the deceased, they were. | ||
| Yes, true. | ||
| So anyway, one more clip here. | ||
| I just want to get that bad taste out of your mouth with Alex trying to plug one of his films in perhaps the worst possible way. | ||
| Love it. | ||
| It's documented. | ||
| It's what's going on. | ||
| And the average person who's been in denial, who gets this information trickled out to them by the mainstream media, has been conditioned and has never seen the big picture. | ||
| This will show them the big picture, and they'll already be aware of a lot of what's in the videos. | ||
| And so when the pieces are all put together... | ||
| Well, a lot of people cry. | ||
| A lot start laughing insanely. | ||
| Some people go and puke. | ||
| I mean, literally. | ||
| You've heard the listeners talk about this effect it has on people, especially government bureaucrats, former special forces people, folks that know the data in it is accurate, people who've been in the government, who've been given part of the brainwashing that's in the film, and then go, how did I miss it? | ||
| It freaks them out. | ||
| What a sales pitch. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| I can't wait to get that. | ||
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Now that I know what happens to government employees when they watch it. | |
| If you watch this film, you might throw up. | ||
| Or it might drive you mad. | ||
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It might drive you insane! | |
| You'll begin laughing uncontrollably, walking the streets at midnight! | ||
| No one knows what will happen when you see this video. | ||
| And if you do not show someone else within seven days, you will die. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| 9-11 Road to Tyranny is the original ring. | ||
| The original Ringu. | ||
| I understand really trying to hype up your product. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| That might be a little much. | ||
| Listen, if you listen to Knowledge Fight, you know what happens to you when you listen to it. | ||
| You will shit your pants immediately. | ||
| You will lose control of your bowels. | ||
| Non-stop, uncontrollable diarrhea. | ||
| And people still listen to the show! | ||
| Can't believe it. | ||
| Well, it's because they're putting the pieces together. | ||
| Well, I think it's because we don't advertise it. | ||
| I mean, look, spiritually speaking, I think I've watched some of Alex's films, and they do make me want to throw them. | ||
| That is true. | ||
| Literally speaking, Seems a little silly. | ||
| Literally, I did find myself laughing a lot and going insane. | ||
| True. | ||
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True. | |
| But that's because it took us nine hours straight. | ||
| That's fair. | ||
| And we were drinking quite a bit. | ||
| Well, there was that. | ||
| So, we come to the end of this 2003 adventure. | ||
|
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Indeed. | |
| And I think it was a... | ||
| A little bit of a reprieve from the present day. | ||
| But you still see shades of stuff there. | ||
| With the branding of this LGBTQ-friendly school in New York, something adjacent to pedophilia, you see that being echoed in the present day. | ||
| Alex being really down with an outlet run by Nazis. | ||
| You see that in the present day? | ||
| There's definitely plenty of those. | ||
| Yeah, there are these reverberations of very similar things in the present day. | ||
| It's kind of a bummer. | ||
| Well, I mean, when you think of it in terms of, like, these are gigantic reactions to things. | ||
| Like, what we're experiencing right now is the culmination of the gigantic reaction to... | ||
| Abortion in the 1970s. | ||
| This is all a huge wave. | ||
| And you can't just stand in front of it. | ||
| Not one person can get in the way. | ||
| And so we're going to see what happens whenever the wave goes the other direction now. | ||
| What they are doing to us is going to have massive, massive results that are going to take time. | ||
| You don't know what they're going to be. | ||
| It's scary. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| It's big. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's big. | ||
| Well, we'll see how that plays out as it plays out. | ||
|
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Indeed. | |
| We'll check back in with Alex on our next episode and see maybe if he's disowned Paul. | ||
| I never worked here. | ||
| Who's Paul? | ||
| Private contractor, I guess. | ||
| He's distanced himself from us for years now. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| This is on him. | ||
| He gets to go down his own ship. | ||
| We'll see. | ||
| Or maybe it'll be like, hey, it's a deep fake. | ||
| Or maybe he'll be hosting the fourth hour. | ||
| Well, that would... | ||
| Be, uh, status quo. | ||
| So, uh, we'll be back, Jordan, but until then, uh, we have a website. | ||
| We do, it's knowledgefight.com. | ||
| Yep, we're also on Twitter. | ||
| We are on Twitter, it's at knowledge underscore fight, and I go to bed, Jordan. | ||
| Yep, we'll be back, but until then, I'm Neo, I'm Leo, I'm DZX Clark, I hope you all have a, uh, dreamy-creamy summer. | ||
| And now, here comes the sex robots. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding. | ||
| Hello, Alex, I'm a first-time caller, I'm a huge fan, I love your work. |
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