July 28, 2003 Knowledge Fight episode dissects Alex Jones’ baseless claims: he falsely ties the 9/11 report’s redacted pages to Saudi innocence while ignoring 13 years of delayed evidence, misrepresents Bush’s flag-signing as illegal, and pivots to quarantine conspiracies despite guest Ed McCulloch’s factual rebuttals. Jones later promotes Ed Hudson’s failed gun-law challenge, framing it as a revolution, then conflates the Amber Alert System with Hitlerian control via debunked "Operation Rockingham" claims. His mockery of Willie Nelson and Toby Keith lyrics exposes shallow cultural critiques, while headline summaries reveal a pattern of unverified conspiracy-mongering. The episode underscores how Jones weaponizes skepticism to distort reality, leaving listeners with half-truths masquerading as revelations. [Automatically generated summary]
And I wouldn't laugh if he wasn't such a complete dick.
Anyway, in July of 2003, there's something interesting that's going on, and that is public conversation is starting to happen around the release of the 9-11 report.
So I thought this was a pretty shocking position for Alex to have about this.
Like, at this point in July 2003, the report of the House and Senate joint inquiry into the events of 9-11 was being released, and a lot of people were a bit suspicious that there were 28 pages completely redacted.
Normally, for a conspiracy theorist, this thing...
Something like this would be so exciting.
But weirdly, Alex seems to not be interested in the redacted pages and seems not to care what they might have in them or might reveal.
And I suspect that, you know, his narrative has to be presented as ironclad, and that's what's going on.
He's not curious or interested at all because it's already set.
There can't be any room for doubt because his whole narrative is held together with chewing gum and scotch tape.
It's flimsy as hell.
Alex has so little evidence of anything that he has to insist that he actually has all the evidence.
And the notion of 28 secret pages could lead to questions about how...
You know, they stack up with his supposed evidence.
In that sense, Alex's angle here is really smart.
He can't be intrigued by the 28 pages because he has to already know what's in them.
Whatever has been redacted has to conform to his existing narrative, and the parts that don't are part of an elaborate cover-up that are being covered up within the already cover-up 9-11 report.
And it was long believed that the 28 pages involved details about possible Saudi Arabia involvement with the hijackers, so Alex bringing that up isn't super surprising at all in this time frame.
And given the actual documents wouldn't be declassified for like another 13 years, he's on pretty safe ground to make up whatever he wants about this to suit his purposes.
I would get into the actual contents of those 28 pages, but it doesn't really seem productive since Alex has no idea what's in them and he thinks they're a cover-up anyway, so it's kind of a dead end.
Eventually, Ron Paul starts to make them a big deal, like to declassify those pages.
So I would imagine that around that time, Alex's tune will change.
And they said, if you list our banks as funding terrorists, we're going to list who owns our banks and who was involved in the transfers.
And they said it's for...
Top U.S. banks with connections to U.S. intelligence.
There were a bunch of articles in mainstream foreign press as the Saudis and the Saudi foreign minister in Washington, of course it wasn't in our news, said, if you list us, we're going to tell the world how you're involved in the terror.
So it's pretty hard to figure out what to think about this claim that Alex is making here.
On the one hand, I don't think he's basing this on anything real from foreign news.
But on the other hand, in 2016, Saudi Arabia did threaten to sell off approximately $750 billion in treasury securities and other assets in the United States.
This was in response to the discussion of a bill that was happening in the Senate that would make the government of Saudi Arabia open to being sued for any possible involvement with 9-11.
Basically, 9-11 victims'families could be able to sue Saudi Arabia with this bill as passed.
Yeah, this is just like a business plan.
Saudi Arabia regarding the pages redaction.
And I do think that Alex is making stuff up, but it's not the most outlandish thing that he could come up with to make up.
So the idea that they would have been tipped off to something like that that wasn't in the report is a little bit off for me.
Thematically, it feels a Thematically, that's a detail that fits neatly into Alex's 2003 conception of the globalists as primarily being involved in the banks of the world, as opposed to being demons trying to drink children's blood to make it so Alex can't explore space.
Another reason I'm a bit unconvinced is that in the redacted pages, there are indications of connections between 9-11 hijackers and people connected to the Saudi Arabian government.
But definitive conclusions aren't made.
The recommendation is for investigation, saying that these connections could be damning evidence, but, quote, on the other hand, it's also possible that further investigation of these allegations could reveal legitimate and innocent explanations for these associations.
So, I don't really think...
I don't know.
This story doesn't jibe, unless Alex could provide some kind of a source, and he doesn't.
We've got the spokesperson for one of the corporations involved in building the emergency relocation centers.
For your safety, of course, one of the quarantine centers joining us on the show.
And we've got some other guests as well that I'll tell you about a little bit later in the broadcast.
In the meantime, Bob Hope is dead at 100 years old.
Wow.
And, you know, the guy didn't seem like a bad person to me.
He seemed like a kind of that 1940s.
Slapstick style of humor.
I know that my grandmother or grandmother is like Bob Hope, but he does attend the Bohemian Grove, or did attend, and had been involved in some of the revelry there, according to the Washington Times and Spy Magazine and Esquire and other publications.
But I wonder why they didn't mention that in his big obituary today, wall to wall, all over the news.
It is a surprise.
That Mr. Hope was a worshipper of a Canaanite god.
So Alex is misunderstanding or misrepresenting the part of Article 2, Section 2, Clause 1 of the Constitution that has to do with this kind of stuff.
Quote, The President shall be Commander-in-Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States and of the militia of the several states when called into the actual service of the United States.
The when called into the actual service part has to do with the militia only.
I do actually kind of want to tip my cap a little bit to the perspective that Alex has that is like, okay, other people are getting mad about Bush signing the flag.
Look, I don't want to spend any time on this, but Bush, in a rally, was caught by a photograph, a photographer, signing an American flag, which violates the U.S. Code, and they've tried to pass a constitutional amendment, which is a red herring.
The First Amendment that the flag symbolizes states that you should be able to ride on the flag if you want to.
I like the flag.
I find it offensive to ride on it or desecrate it, but I find it more offensive to take that right away, because that's what the flag symbolizes.
You know, we're not blood and soil here like Germany, where we mindlessly worship the flags, at least not yet.
But in this religious fervor, it came out with the high priest of phony patriotism, George W. Blue Blood.
From Kennebuckport, Maine, had signed the flag, George Bush.
And everyone freaked out about it, but don't worry, Matt Drudge, another New World Order priest, told us that, hey, it's okay.
I could see it having a bend of supporting the war and such.
Yeah, but it is really interesting, because Drudge becomes such an important piece of Alex's career to hear in this stretch that, fuck this guy, he's a New World Order.
But, I mean, it is representative of how conditional everything is.
Like, at this point, he's a New World Order priest.
Eventually, he becomes the most important person in all of conservative media because he's...
You know, been there and he exposed the Clintons, which was before he became a New World Order priest.
And then eventually maybe he sold the Drudge Report to globalists.
Where you're watching a movie, and it's like, all right, that's Tom Hanks, and he's friends with Halle Berry or whatever, and then it's in another time, and it's like, that's still Tom Hanks, but now he's mad at Halle Berry.
So this is a good example of how flawed Alex's information-gathering techniques are.
I assume his little study that he conducted himself was like skimming and misreading a headline or possibly just seeing one flag that said made in China and then jumping to the conclusion that almost all United States flags are made in China.
Most of the imported ones do come from China, but it's a really small percentage compared to the ones that are domestically produced.
Any flag that is imported has to have a clearly visible declaration of where it was made.
And if you find a flag that doesn't show that it was made in America or have a country of origin declaration, you're supposed to contact the Federal Trade Commission because that is a bootlegged flag.
So this is a good illustration of Alex's information style.
It feels like all the flags are made in China, and there's kind of a poetic theme that resonates to that idea that fits with his narratives about the world, but it doesn't reflect reality.
One possibility for how Alex could get this impression is that every now and again, usually around the 4th of July, someone will run a headline like the one that was posted in the Huffington Post from 2013.
Quote, That headline is true, but it's misleading.
94% of the flags that were imported came from China, but they were still only like 5% of the total number of flags manufactured.
The rest of them were made domestically.
If you read to the second paragraph of that very article with that headline, it says, quote, American manufacturers still make up the bulk of the business.
Alex doesn't read past headlines and thus just has a surface level grasp of most of the stories he covers.
That's kind of unfortunate for him, but it becomes a big problem when these flawed interpretations of stories are passed along to his audience as some kind of gospel truth.
Just using this example, if you believe Alex, then you think that 95% of flags in our country are imported when the exact opposite is true.
What I'm getting at is that he's an unreliable source of information because he doesn't have good methods to take his information in.
I'm not necessarily saying that to be the case, but that HuffPo article is a good exemplar of why it is very easy to immediately be taken in by somebody saying 95% of those.
Because that is the type of clickbaity headline you would write, and that's why they write that.
True, but I think if you look at some of the numbers that are included in there in terms of bulk sales and stuff, you kind of get the sense that it is 95%.
So Alex takes a call, and a guy brings up a little politician that becomes...
Fairly important for Alex for a short period of time before he decided, ooh, no, no, no, I'm going to get away from this.
But at this point, Alex has no idea who he is.
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I appreciate you pointing out a lot of the things about how the media overtly lies to us, but I also wanted to point out a story that's kind of a regional story with national implications that's been largely overlooked by the national media, which is the case of Judge Roy Moore in Alabama, who has been fighting a federal court order to remove the Ten Commandments from the Alabama Supreme Court House.
A ruling from the 11th District Court came down in Atlanta last week, and the feds might quite possibly move to actively remove that against the state of Alabama.
It's true that Daedalus was the father of Icarus, but that's not his top credit.
I mean, I think the fact that he built the labyrinth for King Minos is probably a little higher on the list of reasons that you might name your construction company after him.
I might have forgot to mention this, but Alex is interviewing a guy who runs a construction company.
I think the important point here is that Daedalus was principally focused upon the development of materials to create extremely low-cost housing in the emerging markets of the developing world.
As it turns out, in our view, there are probably few materials available that provide the same Structural integrity, the same projected longevity, and the same sense of dignity as the materials we have designed.
So we had never really intended to be in the U.S. domestic market.
We simply recognized through one of our associates that a requirement existed to have a low-cost response or a low-cost response capability that could put up a 500-bed facility.
a 500-bed facility within about 24 to 48 hours, and perhaps a 1,000-bed facility within 48 to 72 hours.
He tries a little bit, but unfortunately, in the framing of his questions, he also reveals that he doesn't actually know anything about the subject he's talking about.
Now, the different news articles, and correct them if they're wrong, they said this 150-bet facility is a facility for the public and the government and the media to get a good look at, hopefully, I guess, to sell the system.
I don't know of any potential government contracts for this particular development.
As it turns out, this particular facility is under a government-funded contract through Allegheny County in Pittsburgh, where they have one of the more advanced or perhaps leading-edge groups involved in both Civil preparedness and disaster response.
Well, I think that's a little inaccurate or perhaps a little severe.
The real notion here is that these facilities would provide the opportunity for observation, for isolation.
Excuse me, for observation for quarantine and isolation.
So, in fact, you would presumably have three different kinds of patients, those who believe that perhaps they've been exposed but don't really know, those who have been exposed for certain, and those who have been exposed for certain and exhibit certain features of a particular disease.
Yeah, but, I mean, they had the guy in Dallas who they thought had SARS, and he wanted to leave the hospital, and they wouldn't let him and chained him down to the bed.
What world do you think that you're going to get an engineering construction guy to come in and be like, yeah, so all this really cool stuff that I'm really interested in.
I love building.
I love building materials.
I love what I'm doing.
Also, we're out in the developing world.
There's really cool places I could be right now, but right here, I am excited to do this.
So what do you have, like trucks that have nodules of different services, and then they all show up, put the frame together, and then stick the appliances in?
In the case of the heating, ventilation, air conditioning, the HVAC provider, that's really being done by Albin Cat, called Albin Cat Rental Solutions of Elkridge, Maryland.
I just wanted you to know that whenever the globalists come and they put you in the camp, it will be made with some very innovative materials that are being used to create housing in the developing world.
So there's an interesting and very deeply racist lack of understanding that Alex has about the things he's saying, and I think I can sum it up simply like this.
It's totally fine to criticize Bloomberg even though he's Jewish, unless your criticism of Bloomberg is just a vague, unsubstantiated claim that he's part of some mysterious Jewish mafia.
If your criticism of him relies on him being Jewish to make sense...
And he's with one of the big groups up in Canada who are valiantly fighting the government bureaucrats, the socialistic control freaks up there in the Commonwealth, that want to make the Canadian people their property.
And I just hope they keep going, and I hope they use this revolution against tyranny up there to remove a lot of the other things we've seen.
There's also big discussions of provinces seceding, secession, leaving the Commonwealth if the gun confiscation registration continues.
On January 21st, 2003, Hudson staged an event outside a Saskatoon police station where he was in clear view of uniformed police and he sold an unregistered rifle receiver to an associate of his named Joe Gingrich.
The hope was that he could get arrested on a gun sales charge, which he could then appeal up to the Canadian Supreme Court, and that would be his ticket to getting the Firearms Act overturned.
An officer asked him to surrender the gun part, and he refused, so he got charged with obstructing a police officer.
That wouldn't be an avenue for him to challenge the Firearms Act, and also the charges were dropped, so Hudson was back where he started.
This was all part of a comedy of errors, where Hudson was trying to get himself arrested for a Firearms Act-related offense, but it just wasn't happening, to the point where he was considering filing charges against himself.
Eventually, in October 2003, he would successfully have a firearm seized, but again, he wasn't charged under the Firearms Act, just under the criminal code.
Hudson tried to make this work, and he attempted to raise constitutional challenges, but they all failed, at which point he asked the court to charge him with a crime he could use.
He also runs a group that Alex referenced called the Canadian Unlicensed Firearms Owners Association, and I would assume that any self-respecting gun weirdo militia type would see that name and immediately assume it's either run by an idiot or it's a honeypot.
Dr. Hudson, tell us about Canadian Unregistered Firearms Owners Association, because it's coming down to the point now where Canadians across the border are saying...
In fact, I've read the articles, even in your own mainstream papers, that this is about the government trying to dominate you and that this is about controlling law-abiding citizens.
What we've been saying for 10 years, what gun owners have been saying up here for 10 years, is there's not a criminal anywhere in the world who's registered their firearm or licensed himself.
This law is not about criminal control or crime control.
It's about...
Our group is a small group.
You have to understand that membership in our group is completely open.
Our membership list is open to the government.
Anyone who is a member knows that their name, address, telephone number is going to be completely open to the government if our membership role is confiscated.
So no one joins this group without knowing that they're going to be completely open to the government.
If people were aware that when they were signing up to this website, that if they then committed a crime with a gun, that they would know that the gun was unregistered, you could have just registered.
That's a little bit beyond my scope and expertise, but I've certainly been to many, many gun shows in Alberta, and I've certainly stood aside and talked to people in Alberta who are talking about the Alberta separatist party, Alberta separating.
I know that that's happening.
I am not a part of that group.
I am focusing on peaceful, nonviolent, civil disobedience to a specific, very unjust law here in Canada.
Now, an important thing to point out, and I don't think that this is anything super meaningful outside of coincidence, but the Maverick Party, the Alberta Separatist Secessionist Party, was deeply involved in the roots of the trucker protests in the present day.
I mean, there's all kinds of differing ideas about some secession ideas in Canada, whether it be from First Nations folk or from weirdos who want guns.
Right-wing utopia.
But it is interesting that the fingerprints here of secession arguments that Alex is really into in the past and in the present are both the Alberta separatist groups.
Most police shows and a lot of movies are set in New York, so it's really understandable that if you base your worldview on movies and pop culture, you would think that cops in New York are just getting killed all the time.
In reality, Texas has the highest number of police killed per year pretty regularly.
In 2016, they were number one with 18 police killed in the state in the line of duty, with the next highest state being California with 11, and then Louisiana with 9. The entire state of New York had four officers killed in the line of duty that year.
When you adjust for population, New York isn't even anywhere near the top of the list.
A 2016 study conducted by researchers at Harvard found that in reality, the likelihood of a cop being killed in the line of duty was three times higher in states with high rates of gun ownership compared to states with low rates.
Also, by far, the leading cause of death among police in the last few years has been COVID, and we've seen how seriously Alex has dealt with that and how much he's cared.
Anything else you'd like to add about this subject of liberty and freedom and what your despotic government is trying to do there in Canada, Dr. Hudson?
And it just so happened that that same year the FCC law was passed that all radio and TV stations had the EAS FEMA takeover boxes, remote control federal boxes, put into them, and the federal plan said it's EAS, and they said for PR...
We're going to call it Amber and make it mandatory for the little kids.
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Yeah, that's totally playing off of our good nature, you know, the general, I think, general good nature of the ignorance, you know, and the ignorance of citizens.
You know, they want to introduce this and go, look.
So I'm not so much interested in that as I am in his desire for the 9-11 hijackers to have been caught as quickly as Lee Boyd Malvo, who is one of the DC snipers.
He and John Allen Muhammad were on a shooting spree that lasted from February 2nd, 2002 until October 24th.
That's a full nine months that they were at large, and 22 days of that involved sniping in D.C. That's a long time.
It's not the example I would have chosen for a speedy...
I also don't think that it was much more than the time of the DC sniping that went on.
I don't think that that time frame is much shorter than the period of time from when Bush got the memo of Bin Laden determined to strike in the United States until September 11th.
And, you know, it is like trying to force the amount of information that you have in a water hose, a fire hose, under pressure, thousands of gallons every few minutes.
It's like trying to force that through the straw you stir your coffee with.
I could take one of these articles.
Dr. David Kelly.
I've probably read a hundred stories on it, read his emails.
Listen to the accounts of his family, obviously murdered.
I could talk for hours about Condoleezza Rice caught in new lies.
I could spend hours about how the agenda between Hillary and Bush is identical.
I could spend hours about the control grid, the police state.
I could spend hours about this new 911 report and the omission of the Saudi Arabia stuff.
It's just, they're a pack of murdering criminals, bottom line.
So that article isn't about the police being in a secret society, but Alex thinks that because he's just skimming headlines and he saw the word cabal.
It's about allegations that there was a team called Operation Rockingham, which cherry-picked reports to emphasize the argument that Saddam was not in compliance with proliferation rules.
Right, right, right, right.
It hardly matters, though, because Alex hasn't read this story.
He has no idea what he's talking about.
And even if he did, he doesn't have time to get into another story because he's got to try and sell his DVD before the show ends.
So he skims the headline, sees the word cabal and decides to tell his audience a completely made up story that the news is reporting that they uncovered a secret society in the British police force.
Again, I'm a broken record.
I understand that.
But this is acceptable to Alex.
He's fine reporting completely fabricated stories because he does.
It's never not astonishing that a man could just read a headline and then be like, and in the UK they've discovered that there is a cult of cops out there, cop-dicking, you know, just doing this whole thing.
But your entire life has trained you to believe that if somebody is standing at a desk, looking into you, reading off of the news, then they have to at least have something like something close to have read the words!
And again, the real essential point is you have to understand the way Alex...
Filters information from a source through himself to the audience and recognize how unreliable of a delivery mechanism this is.
You can't trust what's coming out because sometimes it might be a thing that he understands.
Sometimes it might be something he made up from skimming a headline and you have no idea which is which.
He sounds exactly the same no matter which of these things it is.
He could be talking about how, hey, I believe that the First Amendment allows for writing on an American flag.
That's probably something he's thought about.
Sounds exactly the same as him reporting that there is an undercover secret society in the British police force based on this headline that has nothing to do with that.
And that's a dangerous, dangerous kind of person to be disseminating information.