Jordan Holmes and Dan Friesen dissect a July 2, 2021, Alex Jones interview with Oath Keepers leader Stuart Rhodes, where he falsely claimed his group entered the Capitol only after Ashley Babbitt’s shooting at 2:44 p.m., despite pre-event coordination with members like Megs, Harrelson, Watkins and a November 9, 2020, meeting urging violent action. Rhodes’s 2011/2019 calls for revolution and Infowars’ scrubbed archives reveal deeper ties to extremism, including the "Stop the Steel" rally planning with Jones and Owen Schroyer. Evidence like Jeremy Brown’s arrested weapons (sawed-off shotguns, grenades) and Rhodes’s own spending on military gear undermines his protest narrative, exposing premeditated coordination that could collapse legal defenses. [Automatically generated summary]
So I got to thinking and wrestling with on our last episode, Alex mentioned that there was an interview that he did with Stuart Rhodes that was disaster.
And Stuart freaked out on him, and so Alex never posted it.
I was curious about this because I knew that Stuart had been on since the 6th.
Sure.
I knew that there had been a number of times that he'd come in and said, like, hey, we got set up.
This was bullshit.
You know, that kind of thing.
And so I didn't know if this was one of those interviews that Alex was just misrepresenting and he had put it out or what.
But it turned out that on banned.video, Alex posted this old interview that he had never put up.
Stuart Rhodes is the founder of Oathkeepers, I guess, 11 years ago.
He's been quite in the spotlight since January 6th.
He was in it, obviously, before that.
And I wanted to give him a chance to come on because we saw this revolver article that came out basically saying unindicted co-conspirators in 1.6 case raised disturbing questions of federal foreknowledge.
Thought that was a pretty important article because clearly the feds have been involved provocateuring things before.
But then there's a new article out that had a lot of questions about on-air and off-air.
And that's a story basically: well, federal protection of Oathkeeper Kingpin Stuart Rhodes breaks the entire Capitol insurrection lies wide open.
So this revolver article was one of the early attempts to create the false flag narrative that would stick with the right-wing media community.
I don't think it really totally worked because things have evolved since it was an interesting first attempt given how like what we've seen since then.
But reading it does give you a sense of the sort of facts that they were wrestling with last June and into July, which they've essentially decided to all conveniently forget since.
For instance, this article points out that most of the attention in that media space has been directed towards fighting back against the events of January 6th being an insurrection because most of the people who went into the Capitol were tourists, like MAGA moms who wandered a little further than they should have.
However, this article argues that they should start dealing with the reality that a separate group of folks were there and active that day.
Quote, up until now, the overwhelming, perhaps exclusive share of the counter-establishment reporting on 1-6 has focused on absolving the first group.
And this is a valuable thing.
The notion that these harmless MAGA moms wandering around the Capitol were domestic terrorists engaged in an insurrection is absurd.
However, the possibility that the federal government had undercover operatives or informants involved in the events of 1-6 from its planning to its execution compels us to turn our attention to the second category of participants.
We are especially interested in the unindicted co-conspirators who belong to any of the big three militia groups, the Oath Keepers, the Proud Boys, and the Three Percenters.
Indeed, it is these militia groups whose behavior, statements, and planning leading up to and during 1-6 most closely align with the violent insurrectionist caricature we hear about in the media and which the government claims to have been going after in its aggressive prosecutions.
The person who's writing this article is fully aware of the fact that members of the Oath Keepers, Proud Boys, and Three Percenters had been talking shit and planning about doing exactly what happened on the 6th.
And that fact is really inconvenient for the right-wing media that spent years protecting these groups and pretending that they're actually just the victims of Antifa and the protectors of Patriots.
In order to counter this problem, it's essential to make the very obvious right-wing extremists into government operatives, doing a false flag.
And at this point, at least Revolver was totally willing to throw folks like the Oath Keepers and the Proud Boys under the bus.
The recent indictment of Thomas Caldwell, one of the Oath Keepers who is now charged along with Stewart in the seditious conspiracy case, included a couple of unnamed co-conspirators.
So this article has decided to interpret these as people who are feds.
In reality, that's an unearned conclusion because these co-conspirators may well have been unnamed because naming them could do damage to the building of another more important case, possibly like a case charging Stewart with a seditious conspiracy.
Anyway, in June 2021, there was at least some willingness on the part of the right-wing media to cut bait with the more extreme groups in their ranks and portray them as feds in order to save face.
This probably didn't stick because for a while, it didn't seem like any legal action was happening.
The heat kind of died down and it didn't feel like there was any real need to throw these guys out after all.
That was a huge mistake from a propaganda tactics perspective.
All of these people knew damn well that the folks who were acting like military units and storming the capital were their militia buddies.
And they should have known that it was only a matter of time before that was going to come out and is going to look really bad to be associated with them.
So the other article about Stewart being the Oathkeeper's kingpin who's being protected by the feds, that's just another revolver article also written by Darren Beatty.
So it's a stupid article that's just based on the fact that Stewart hadn't been indicted yet, which was probably the result of the investigators needing to lay sufficient groundwork that they so they wouldn't end up going off half-cocked and charging a revolutionary-minded militia leader with a charge that wouldn't stick and then give him a massive propaganda victory to use to rally his army.
When you're dealing with someone like Stuart Rhodes, you cannot miss.
So it makes absolute sense the investigators would first prosecute some lower-level cases in order to build the information base that they needed to charge Stuart.
And that's exactly what Attorney General Merrick Garland said was the DOJ's strategy in his speech that was commemorating the anniversary of the 6th.
Darren Beatty at Revolver was doing exactly what he should have been doing from a propaganda and cover-up perspective.
He was attempting to protect the larger right-wing grift machine that relies on inciting revolutionary feelings by smearing and disowning the people who actually followed through with those revolutionary feelings.
So, like, I think he was doing what he should have been doing in terms of the scams and all that.
Like, obviously, Stuart Rhodes isn't a Fed, but if that's what you need in order to extricate yourself from him and the Oath Keepers and the Proud Boys, you should have done that.
Man, a lot of stuff you say in retrospect about Harrison Smith and complimenting him always just makes me think the Capitol has fallen to the Patriots.
I went back and I watched the videos that Harrison did about this because he did a video debunking the revolver piece, which I would spend my time going over, but I don't care.
He was doing a, oh, does this prove he's not a Fed now kind of thing?
But one of the things that I thought was fascinating about that video is he's pretending he wasn't on air on January 6th saying the Capitol has fallen, the Patriots are in charge.
And that's kind of why we're looking at the length of time it took to get to Stuart Rhodes is because they fucked up the Bundy shit so incredibly badly.
Again, I almost don't want to drill into all this and pass stuff Bundy Ranch and pass stuff the wildlife refuge, but just, I mean, I've had Santilli on because I think he was set up by the feds.
Thank God he got out of jail.
But what is the issue between you and Pete Santilli?
So this is actually a good point to bring up, which is a good indication that Stewart probably actually has a track record of thinking for himself and making decisions.
You might think that someone like the head of the Oath Keepers would be in favor of every single right-wing cause celeb, but that's not actually true.
Stuart, he was in favor of, and he took part in the Bundy Ranch standoff in 2014, but he was very critical of the Malhoor Wildlife Refuge standoff.
Initially, he didn't want the Oathkeepers to get involved at all and thought that it wasn't a fight that was worth their time or even had a righteous cause to it.
Eventually, he did give in and he sent, quote, an Oathkeeper team to Oregon, albeit without long guns or camouflage gear, and only to, quote, keep the peace.
Pete Santilli was deep in the Malhoor game, so this could explain some of the tension between him and Stewart.
But if you look a little bit deeper at that period around the Malhoor occupation, you begin to see some real disillusionment with Stewart as the head of the organization, and some of it did involve Pete Santilli.
Stewart was not a very popular guy after some of the events at the Bundy Ranch, or Bunkerville, as many called it.
It's easy to remember that he and the Oath Keepers were there, but it's less well remembered how they ended up leaving.
From an article by the SPLC, quote, in May 2014, the Oath Keepers were a fixture at Clive and Bundy's cattle ranch in Nevada, and Tell Rhodes claimed to have received intelligence of an imminent drone strike.
In response, he pulled Oath Keepers out of what he called the kill zone, which led other militiamen at the camp to talk openly about shooting Rhodes for desertion.
In the end, they voted unanimously to oust the Oath Keepers, and the drone strike never came.
Rhodes was a bit humiliated, and he lay low for a bit, but popped up after that shooting that happened in Dallas in 2015, where five police officers were shot and killed.
Stewart re-emerged, which apparently pissed off some people.
Susan Delamis, the wife of an Oathkeeper who was at Bunkerville, wrote an article titled, quote, Stuart Rhodes comes out of hiding and has the nerve to ask, will you take up arms to fight Marxist terrorism?
This article was published and was spread wide by Pete Santilli.
So it seems like this beef with them predates Malhoor and may have something to do with this.
In the intervening years, there have been some Oathkeeper cells that have broken with the national organization, specifically because of a distrust with Stewart.
There was a cell in Josephine County, Oregon, who had carried off a successful and far less publicized standoff with law enforcement at the Sugar Pine Mine, and they kind of had enough.
Their local leader, Joseph Rice, said, quote, we have flag rank officers and senior officers, military retired, that have made the statement they would not join the group as long as Stuart Rhodes was in charge.
Stewart is not a leader.
He has no leadership ability.
He self-promotes.
Rice would also say, quote, like a moth to the flame, he flies in, throws up a PayPal, and then disappears.
One of the big issues, too, with this group here from Josephine County, Oregon, is that because they achieved what they had set out to with the standoff and occupation of the Sugar Pine mine, this was used as a giant marketing piece for the Oath Keepers of like, this is the kind of successes we had.
Where I believe the people on the local tip didn't feel like the national organization really was responsible for the successes that they had while we're trying to take credit for it.
So in the stretch between Bunkerville and Malhur, there had been some dissension in the ranks related to Stewart's ability as a leader.
And a bit of this was publicized by Pete Santilli.
And then Santilli was there at Malhur and even got arrested there while Stewart had to go back on his initial position to not get involved by sending some Oathkeepers in after all.
Folks like Stewart are basically unable to accept personal responsibility.
So I would assume that he blames Pete for some of how those bad times happened and the damage that it did to his reputation.
I would say that hopefully getting arrested for a seditious conspiracy helped Stewart get some of his streets.
Street cred back there.
Yeah, undoes the damage that Pete Santilli did to his terrorist cred.
Yeah, that is kind of funny, the thing about having a leaderless resistance is that your local leader would like the credit for his shit and the national leader can go fuck himself.
And we were protecting people on January 6th from Antifong, as we had done in the prior Stop the Seal rallies in November and December and Atlanta, as we had done for the entire Trump administration.
Been in the streets protecting people and speakers and events.
It's all we ever do.
That's all we were doing that day.
And I'm not for sale.
You can't buy me.
You can't blackmail me.
You can't intimidate me or shut me up unless they put me behind bars or, like with this crap, destroy my character.
No, I don't also want to live in a world where 30 years from now, fucking Stuart Rhodes is the white nationalist Mandela getting out of fucking Rikers.
I got to say, too, like watching this and watching some of the other interviews that he's done, there are some where he's got the eye patch and some where he doesn't.
Alex is confused because Stewart did start coming on Infowars just before the Oath Keepers existed, but it was really close.
His first appearance to Alex was on April 8th, 2009, and it was kind of predicated on the idea that he was a former Ron Paul staffer who was part of the Ascendant Tea Party, and he was talking a whole bunch about revolution.
This was clearly an attempt on Stuart's part to do some preemptive advertising because on April 19th, Patriots Day, he gave a speech in Lexington, Massachusetts, announcing the formation of the Oath Keepers.
And he had been on with Alex twice between April 8th and the actual announcement.
So, like, you know, he was clearly doing some push.
This is why Alex thinks that he was talking to Stuart back when he was working for Ron Paul.
Alex does remember the formation of the Oath Keepers happening and one of his guests doing it, but the relationship that they had barely predated that at all.
And it is pretty clear that Stuart said, We contacted you.
According to the indictment, you were having a five-minute, 25-second phone call with person 10 stating at 2:31 p.m., which overlaps with the precise minutes where the oath keepers got in the military stack formation in just minutes.
Later, went up to the Capitol given that you were the head of the Oath Keepers and a person 10 was your ground commander that day.
How could you be having an almost, I mean, give me a chance to respond, an almost a half-minute phone call right while your troops are lining up in a formation, known that they were lining up in the formation to do what did you talk about for five minutes, 25 seconds with your ground operations commander while they were forming the military stack.
So this is what I'm going off.
Questions on the internet, they've put out saying, saying, if this guy's indicted talking to you, then how have you not been indicted?
But Stewart is actually right about the bigger picture.
The person that he was on the phone with at 2:32 p.m. on January 6th hadn't been indicted, and he still hasn't been indicted.
In the indictment for Stewart and his associates, this person is just referred to as, quote, a person whom Rhodes appointed as the operations leader for January 6th.
This person is Mike Whip Simmons.
There's a very good chance that Simmons hasn't been indicted yet because he's going to be facing an even more specific charge due to his actions that he personally took, or possibly he's a cooperating witness at this point and he's going to be charged with a lesser crime down the road.
But the most terrifying prospect for someone like Alex is a third option.
It's entirely possible that Simmons hasn't been charged because he's connected to other investigations that are ongoing and they don't want to pounce yet because doing so could jeopardize those other investigations.
A possibly relevant detail is that along with being Stewart's operations leader on the ground, Simmons was also providing security for Roger Stone that weekend.
There's a non-zero chance that he hasn't been indicted yet because Simmons could be seen as a witness in the case against Roger or possibly that he's seen as connective tissue between the Rhodes seditious conspiracy and the circle that includes Roger and Alex and Ali Alexander and Stop the Steel rallies.
This is all conjecture and it may not be the case, but it seems like if you're someone like Alex or Allie, the fact that Simmons hasn't been indicted or named in this indictment should be a cause for concern.
And you got to think, too, like, if your role is to provide security for people, you have a lot of people who could do that other than your operations commander.
So the idea that the operations commander for this big giant event is also providing security for Roger Stone, like is photographed with Roger.
Well, I mean, you could argue that maybe providing security and also being in contact with Roger Stone while you're in contact with the people that you're operations running at the same time.
I think they wanted more violence than what they got.
I think they wanted death.
I think they wanted us to bring guns.
If I was actually trying to spark an insurrection out of rifles, if I was actually trying to provoke my guys to do things that are illegal, I told them to bring guns into D.C. instead of said the exact opposite.
Don't bring anything illegal into D.C.
I warn them.
It's in the chats that they've already disclosed.
Do not bring anything that could get you snared in D.C.
I think that Stewart's playing a little fast and loose with the truth here.
He may not have wanted his Oathkeeper brigade to be armed the whole time, but he also was an active participant in the creation of weapons caches just outside DC where quick reaction forces could be deployed to bring them in and, you know, bring them to his Oathkeeper brigade if shit got hot.
He texted a co-conspirator about it saying, quote, we will have a QRF.
The situation calls for it.
Also, it's funny that Stewart says that if he wanted trouble, he would have brought a rifle because if you read the indictment, you'll find that on the way from Texas to D.C., Stewart, quote, spent approximately $6,000 in Texas on an AR platform rifle and firearms equipment.
This was on January 3rd, which is in addition to $5,000 he spent on firearms and equipment and a shotgun on January 1st.
Further, it's bullshit that Stewart is saying that he didn't want violence.
He totally wanted violence because that would serve his ultimate goal.
The goal of that day's actions was to disrupt the certification of the election, but Stewart is a big picture guy.
And for him, the end goal of his actions is for the president to declare a complete emergency and call the Oathkeepers up under Stewart's command to be the new army.
This has been something he's been preoccupied with for the better part of my history listening to him on Alex's show.
And it's a very clear objective of his actions.
If you consult the original indictment of his associates, you can see that he even thought that January 6th could serve as a flashpoint for that to come to pass.
Quote, let Antifa, if they go Kinetic on us, then we'll go Kinetic back on them.
I'm willing to sacrifice myself for that.
Let the fight start here.
That will give President Trump what he needs, frankly.
If things go Kinetic, good.
If they throw bombs at us and shoot us, great, because that brings the president his reason and rationale for dropping the Insurrection Act.
We hope he gives us those orders.
We want him to declare an insurrection and to call us up as the militia.
Probably one of the few people who actually did hope that things got to a worst case scenario on January 6th was Stuart Rhodes.
He believed that if things went completely off the rails, Trump would have an excuse to bring in the Oath Keepers as his personal militia army, at which point Stewart could do what he feels the current politicians and soldiers don't have the guts to do, namely arrest and kill his political enemies, ideally without consequences.
This interview with Alex is a fairly decent attempt at spinning things to a person who's financially and reputationally required to agree with you, but it's embarrassing shit.
Nothing but disrespect for insurgents who won't stand behind their failed attempts at insurrection.
I mean, the thing that interests me, though, is that when you look at the PowerPoint presentation released by Trump, or not released by Trump, but Mark Meadows.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that they went over.
The one that included you should declare a national emergency and not do the certifying.
This is something for the better part of the Trump administration.
This was something that he was advocating for, something that he wanted.
He wanted the Oath Keepers to be the actual army.
And this is clearly, if you look at the communications that he had, this was something that he was like, maybe this will be the time that it's the last day that it's a hard constitutional deadline for the election to be certified.
So earlier we heard Stewart say that like, you know, him talking to people, it was just attempts at calls, you know, because there's no reception and all that.
So it's probably true that the calls that he had that were like 30 seconds long, those were probably attempts at calls.
But there were some that go minutes, even like five minutes, even conference called people.
That's not an attempt.
Another point worth mentioning is that Ali Alexander got a permit to hold an event at that space by filing for one with a dummy organization name, One Nation Under God, because he knew that they wouldn't give him a permit for Stop the Steal.
His permit was also for an event with a maximum attendance of 50 people, which was an obvious, obviously a number that he knew he was going to exceed.
That alone is probably something that could get Ali charged with criminal negligence or something similar because by having that event there, which he got a permit for under false pretenses, he was drawing far more people to the area right around the Capitol than was safe, according to what was allowed by his permit.
Yeah, these are all various elements of the chaos that occurred that day.
And you can begin to see various actors who made intentional choices that led to what happened, whether or not they knew what would happen or even coordinated with each other.
Trump told people at his rally to go to the Capitol and that he was going to come with them, which he didn't do.
Alex led a march to the Capitol of people who were only getting more and more amped up along the way, with Alex screaming shit about 1776 into his bullhorn.
Allie set up an event at the Capitol grounds that he knew was going to get out of control just based on the numbers of people who were going to be there.
Stewart and his team coordinated to use military tactics to move through the crowd and breach the Capitol while having weapons caches nearby for when Trump decided to make them the new army of the U.S.
These people like Allie and Alex better fucking pray that they don't have any texts or emails lingering around that indicate that there was coordination between these groups in terms of what they were doing.
Because I could actually believe that there was just a bunch of fucking weirdos who were all spiritually on the same page but didn't coordinate with each other.
Yeah, I don't know if I'm more inclined to believe that they thought that it would be successful or that they thought that their comms were more secure than they thought.
So, look, Stuart wants the government to dump all the documents they have because he knows that a whistleblower could unveil the Antifa provocateuring.
If I were Stuart, I would also be imploring people to stop using words like military formations because when they do, they're just talking about Stuart's friends.
If you read the indictments that Stewart's facing, the idea seems to come up a bit.
For instance, quote, on December 12, 2020, the North Carolina chapter of the Oath Keepers held a training session that, according to the leader of that chapter, would be focused on vehicle operations, roadblocks, vehicle recovery, convoy operations, setting up hasty ambushes and reacting to ambushes.
But the first thing we're going to do is fall into formation when we assemble.
When things got going, the co-conspirators formed stacks and moved in formation to approach the breach of the Capitol.
Quote, at 2.35 p.m., Megs, Watson, Hackett, Morsell, and others joined together to form Stack One and maneuvered in an organized fashion up the steps to the Eastside Rotunda doors, each member keeping at least one hand on the shoulder of the other in front of them.
This was the same type of formation that was used by the other co-conspirators who made up Stack Two.
It's painfully obvious that Stewart wouldn't want people talking about military formations that people were using on January 6th because he's the head of a paramilitary organization who were using military formations that day.
It's obvious that he doesn't want people to use the word insurrection because he wrote two open letters to Trump that he published online where he was desperately begging Trump to use the Insurrection Act so his friends could pretend to be the army and wrote texts and signal messages while the storming was going on, celebrating it essentially as an insurrection.
So what happened was Antifa were surveilling the Oath Keepers and learning their training methods.
All right.
So then whenever they went to instigate, they used the knowledge that they had gleaned from watching the Oath Keepers, who are, by the way, so well trained, they would never have been caught, obviously.
So Stewart is a dangerous extremist, but ultimately he's also a boring one, at least partially because his revolutionary spirit is kind of intertimed with his desire to make money off his revolutionary brand.
It's great to be into the insurrection until it doesn't work because then you have to protect the business.
If the insurrection had worked and Trump had evoked the Insurrection Act and made Stewart the head of a newly deputized militia, you would be hearing a very different tone from him about the things that he did in the lead up to the sixth.
And you kind of have to assume that there wouldn't be immediate relaying of this information to people outside the Capitol.
There's a decent chance that if you were in the crowd, it would take longer for you to learn about that than someone just watching TV.
Being as generous as I'm willing to be, let's say that it took six minutes for word to get out from the site of the shooting to the wider population outside.
Why not?
Sure.
It's arbitrary, but it also doesn't matter.
By that point, Stewart's co-conspirators had breached the Capitol and were in contact with him.
And very obviously, he knew what was going on.
For example, quote, at 2:35, Megs, Watkins, Hackett, Morsell, and others joined together to form Stack One.
Harrelson joined Stack One when it reached the top of the steps.
At the top of the steps, Stack 1 pushed forward as part of a mob that aggressively advanced toward the rotunda doors, assaulting the law enforcement officers guarding the doors, threw objects and sprayed chemicals towards the officers and the doors, and pulled violently at the doors.
At 2.39 p.m., a member of Stack 1 joined the crowd in forcibly pushing against one of the rotunda doors and the law enforcement officers guarding that door.
The mob then breached the doors and the stack one member entered the building.
Shortly after the mob breached the rotunda doors, Megs, Harrelson, Watkins, Hackett, Morselle, and others forced their way through the doors into the Capitol.
This is all before 2.44 when Ashley Babbitt was shot.
My advice, and this has been the case ever since I've watched reality TV shows about like the first 48 and all of that stuff, you have the right to remain silent.
You could just not go to the FBI and lie directly to their family.
But look, the point is he's saying this on Alex's show, and it can't possibly be true.
No.
There's no chance that their actions could be motivated by a concern about a person being shot.
And Stewart knows what he's doing on this show.
He's lying to provide cover for himself and his militia.
Three minutes before Stack 1 made their advance on the Capitol, Megs, who was a part of Stack 1, was on a conference call with Stewart.
And at 2.44, the exact time Babbitt was shot, Watkins announced on their Zello Walkie Talkie channel, quote, we are in the mezzanine.
We are in the main dome right now.
We're rocking it.
They're throwing grenades.
They're fucking shooting people with paintballs, but we're in here.
One minute later, Stack 1 members began trying to force their way past law enforcement who were blocking the path from the Rotunda to the Senate chamber, with Watkins yelling, push, push, they can't hold us.
After they got tear gassed, they decided to retreat, and some of them went to look for Nancy Pelosi at the House of Representatives.
Stack 2 indicated a plan to enter the Capitol even earlier.
When between 2 and 2.30, a member of the group heard that people had breached the Capitol and replied, quote, now we're talking.
That's what I came here for.
Suspiciously absent from the conversation, is being motivated by a concern about Ashley Babbitt getting shot, which also hadn't happened yet.
They didn't actually make it into the Capitol until after the shooting, but their actions and words prior to entrance make it very clear what they were doing and why they were doing it.
Another important point is that even if his militia goons were only going in because they were concerned about someone getting shot, how does it make this any better?
What the fuck did they think they were going to do to de-escalate the situation or help in any way?
Also, there's pretty clear evidence that Stewart knew at the time and when he's on Infowars that his people weren't interested in providing medical aid.
Before 2 p.m., almost an hour before Babbitt was shot, someone asked in a signal group Stewart was in, quote, are they actually patriots, not those who were going in in disguise as patriots to cause trouble?
To which Stewart replied, quote, actual patriots, pissed off patriots, like the sons of Liberty were pissed off patriots.
Just after that, Watkins, a member of Stack One, who would later breach the Capitol and try to storm the Senate chambers, said on their Walkie Talkie channel, quote, it has spread like wildfire that Pence has betrayed us and everyone's marching on the Capitol.
We have about 30 to 40 of us.
We're sticking together and sticking to the plan.
It really makes you think.
Like, what was the plan exactly?
Was this plan to hang out, provide security for people like Roger Stone, and then, you know, go into the Capitol because you have to provide emergency medical assistance that no one asked you to provide?
How, I mean, I do like the idea that maybe that's more of an in retrospect kind of thought he's having.
I have learned because you know, now that I think about it, I have a lot of incriminating shit in my text, and I really wish I had said all that face-to-face.
And I would say for 4th of July, best thing you can go do is read the Deathwish from Independence and think about the long stream of abuses they suffered and compare them where we are now.
It kind of sounded like parts of the that was clumsily edited out.
It did.
So I thought maybe there were parts that were, I was wrong about this, but it led me down a road of like trying to figure out like, can I find this like posted before?
So like, is there any like indication anywhere that we can find?
So I was curious.
I went back and I checked.
And according to Alex, you know, like he said, this was recorded on July 2nd, 2021, and it was supposed to air on July 4th.
It doesn't appear on the July 4th show.
Like I said, he interviews Judge Joe Brown.
It's less than compelling radio.
I went back and I listened to July 2nd's show.
And sure enough, Alex is discussing his plan to interview Stewart that day to air on Sunday, which he wanted to take off because it was the 4th of July.
And in fact, listening to it, I can't imagine what would make Alex not air it.
The only parts that are even a bit contentious are that when they have that misunderstanding or Stuart doesn't realize that Alex is asking questions based on the revolver article and thinks that Alex might believe that Stuart's a Fed.
And then the stuff about Pete Santilli.
I think that part at the end there, there's a real weirdness because Alex is offering to have Stuart debate Santilli so they can work out their issues.
And I think maybe Stuart got mad there, but it doesn't seem like a reason to shelve the interview.
A couple more articles come up if you do a Google search of the Infowars site for pages that mention Stuart, but nothing from before last March, which is weird.
That seems insane.
So I did some more poking around, and I found that there's a section of Infowars' website that's an archive of their headlines.
Some of them are pretty interesting, like, quote, Stuart Rhodes, Senate bill declares war on Americans.
I dare you to try and guess what year that was from or what bill it's talking about.
There are a bunch of headlines on there that kind of give you the sense that Stuart has been the kind of guy who's trying to get this whole revolution thing going for about a decade at least and just hadn't had his chance.
And maybe it's not a great idea for Infowars to advertise how complicit they were in amplifying his shit and actually facilitating it.
Possibly worse, however, was the results of my next poke.
I was trying to see if I could find if there was a raw version of this, this video.
I searched bam.video for Stuart Rhodes, and there's a couple of posts on there that Alex should probably take down.
One is a video where Alex and Owen Schroyer interview Stewart with the title, quote, Patriots plot their recapture of America in D.C. this weekend.
Bad headlines.
Now, granted, this video is from November 2020, and the rally that they were going to was the climactic endpoint of Owen's dumb Stop the Steel caravan, but the optics are really bad.
It definitely sends a strong message that Alex and Owen and Stewart were involved in a collaborative plan to help Patriots recapture America within a few months of January 6th, and were doing so under the same name, Stop the Steel, as the organization that Ali Alexander ran that was instrumental in planning the rally at the Capitol.
The video was from November 10th, and if you consult Stewart's indictment, you can see at this same time, he was also actively planning with the Oath Keepers to disrupt the election results.
Quote, on November 9th, 2020, Rhodes held a private go-to meeting, an online meeting site that allows you to host conference calls and video conferences via the internet, limited to Oathkeeper members titled Oathkeepers National Call, Members Only, which was attended by Megs, Harrelson, Watkins, Hackett, all of them part of SAC 1, and others, including the person who Rhodes appointed as the operations leader for January 6th.
That's Simmons.
Right.
Whip.
During the meeting, Rhodes outlined a plan to stop the lawful transfer of presidential power, including preparations for the use of force, and urged those listening to participate.
If I had to guess, the November rally in D.C. was too soon after the election to try and coordinate anything.
There wasn't a fever pitch yet at that point, since a lot of people were still hoping that some kind of evidence of voter fraud would come out and Trump would still win.
It wouldn't be optically good for Stewart to use that rally as the jump point, and I guess if I had to guess, he was probably using it for recon.
There's another exchange that the indictment mentions from November 9th.
Quote, on November 9th, 2020, Caldwell reached out to Rhodes to provide the results of a lengthy reconnaissance trip he had taken into Washington, D.C., and to coordinate planning with Rhodes for an upcoming op in Washington, D.C.
I wouldn't be surprised if Stewart knew well enough that this wasn't the time, but that rally could still be useful for PR purposes and to get acquainted with the Capitol.
Have a peaceful march as a precedent kind of for sure.
It'd be seen.
Yeah, there's a lot of uses for that.
Looking at more of the videos on banned.video, there are multiple videos of Stewart coming on to declare the six.
They plot to frame the Patriots.
You can find the video from July 1st, 2021, where Harrison Smith defends Stewart from accusations he's a Fed.
And then there's a big gap between then and Stewart's arrest.
I honestly find it difficult to believe that Stewart wasn't on any of their shows between those dates, but I guess it's possible.
I can definitely see Alex getting worried about the Fed accusations of rubbing off on him and throwing his friend of 13 years off to the side.
It's possible, but that's wild.
Not only are there no results from Alex's own show, but there are no results from Harrison's show, who went out of his way to debunk revolver articles to prove Stewart's innocence.
This doesn't make sense at all to me.
It's weird.
I went back and I watched the video, and the only explanation I can come up with is this.
At the end, Alex makes this joke about if Stewart wants to come on and debate Pete Santilli.
Stewart does look mad, and he says no, and that he'll see him in court.
He still appears to be talking, and he doesn't look very happy while Alex quickly ends the show.
I could imagine that Stewart yelled at Alex after the show because he was joking about this stuff that Stewart takes very seriously.
Then maybe he got into talking about how he's going to kick Santilli's ass, which Alex, you know, you referenced that Stuart was yelling and saying he was going to kick someone's ass.
So maybe that happened after they stopped recording or after the interview.
The interview is being conducted by the host of just another channel, who I think is a dweeb named Brandon.
He's joined by a co-host named Jeremy, who he, this guy himself is an oath keeper.
And then they talk to Stuart and a woman named Angel, whose husband is one of the oath keepers who got arrested in the first indictment, Kenneth Harrelson, who's also now charged with seditious conspiracy along with Rose.
The whole time, this Jeremy guy is just going on and on about how the oath keepers are totally cool, not nefarious organization, which is, you know, what I would expect him to say.
He's openly bragging about being there on the 6th and having brought weapons to the stash spot and being a bit confrontational about it, if you ask me.
It all comes to a head in this clip.
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Here is the thing that is most disingenuous to me is that all the footage that has been released of that hotel room, they have that same footage of me.
The list of lodging, I believe that my lodging, which was an RV park 10 miles outside of D.C. in College Park, is literally redacted.
And it's because I know they tried to recruit me.
And so that's why I continually say to people, they intentionally are ignoring my participation in January 6th because my testimony completely blows their entire bullshit narrative out of the water because I set in on these meetings.
I was there the night before.
I was there on January 5th.
I had guns in that hotel room.
I was on the video camera picking up my guns the next day.
And then on September 30th, Jeremy was arrested for knowingly entering or remaining in any restricted building or grounds without lawful authority and knowingly and with intent to impede or disrupt the orderly conduct of government business or official functions, engage in disorderly or disruptive content in any restricted building or grounds.
It's not just the cockiness and the Icarus style flying too close to the sun that makes Jeremy my favorite, though.
He's the stupidest asshole in the world.
When Jeremy was arrested, naturally, his house was searched, and cops found about what you'd expect.
Tons of ammo and dicey guns like sawed-off shotguns, oh, and also two hand grenades.
So this had incriminating information about what weapons he had, quote, on hand, including flashbangs, which definitely wouldn't be legal for him to have on hand.
This also introduced a new problem for Jeremy.
This picture claimed to show that he had weapons, including flashbangs, which were not found by the cops during a search, which would tend to imply or provide probable cause to suspect that he moved them.
And it turns out, transporting explosives is a crime.
The federal agent actually had to type this out.
Quote, based on my training, expertise, general familiarity with the small confines of an RV, the fact that the trailer was purchased approximately a month ago and sits next to the RV and the house within the property line, and that it's unlikely that an individual would market a home available for public inspection with guns and explosives inside the home.
It's probable that many of Brown's possessions, including electronics, guns, ammunition, and explosives, which constitute potential evidence in this investigation, have been moved to the RV or trailer.
That's a really long way of explaining something very clear.
Also, because it's fun, the FBI search warrant also says that the agent, quote, also reviewed publicly available video podcasts of Brown and person one.
In an interview posted on July 12th, 2021, Brown stated that he was present with the other Oath Keepers on January 6th.
So Jeremy's insisting on taking his case to trial so he can blow this whole thing wide open.
So I look forward to that gusto fizzling out disappointingly.
He claims that the FBI tried to make him an informant or whatever.
And from what I can understand from the allegations, there was a visit that he got from the FBI at some point about shit he was posting online, which based on the other things I can tell about him, maybe he made a threat of some sort that was relevant enough as somebody who's a member of the Oath Keepers and like a former Green Beret, apparently.
But anyway, I think more importantly, if you listen to this, you find just pathetic attempts at damage control and coming up with an excuse for things.