Today, Dan and Jordan hang out in the past in search of inspiration, which Dan finds when he realizes that California governor Gray Davis is about to be recalled, and Alex is about to lose his mind about Arnold Schwarzenegger. Also, Alex tells stories of youthful fighting that seem very light on murder. Citations
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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys. | |
| Knowledge fight. | ||
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Dan and Jordan. | |
| Knowledge fight. | ||
| I need money. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Stop it. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| It's time to pray. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| You're on the air. | ||
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I love you. | |
| Hey, everybody. | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
| I'm Jordan. | ||
| We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Oh, indeed we are. | ||
| Dan? | ||
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Dan? | |
| Yes. | ||
| Quick question for you. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| What's your bright spot today? | ||
| My bright spot today, Jordan, is giving up for about... | ||
| So I've been watching the new season of Survivor as it goes. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And I have... | ||
| Been frustrated over the course of watching all of the seasons about how far it's come from its original premise to how complicated the rules are. | ||
| If I were to try and explain to you how to play Survivor now... | ||
| I have no idea how I would, I couldn't, it would take hours of me being like, okay, so now here's the thing. | ||
| Right. | ||
| There's a hidden immunity idol, right? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Fine. | ||
| Put that aside for now. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Because there's also a hidden immunity idol blocker. | ||
| No. | ||
| That's not, no, I refuse to allow that to happen. | ||
| Now, this season. | ||
| You take that blocker and you shove it up your ass. | ||
| And this season, they also introduced a new advantage called the knowledge is power advantage. | ||
| What the fuck is the knowledge is power? | ||
| If you have this piece of paper, this advantage, at Tribal Council, you can ask one person, one question, and it can be either, do you have an advantage or do you have an idol? | ||
| And if they do, they have to give it to you, right? | ||
| Fucking ridiculous. | ||
| This is turning into one of those, like, what is it? | ||
| You remember those murder games that you would play at a youth group where everybody would hide for a while and one person was the bad guy and then you met up at the end and you had to be like, oh, this person was the, yeah. | ||
| But the rules are a maze. | ||
| They're on, they're, it's, I, it's, but I was watching. | ||
| I guess that's why Squid Games is so attractive to people now, you know? | ||
| It's like, they're very simple rules. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Kids game or you die. | ||
| Yes, exactly. | ||
| It's clear. | ||
| It's very simple. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And I think it was in season one, too, of Survivor. | ||
| Like, it was a game where it's like, alright, fucking find some food. | ||
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Survive! | |
| Yeah. | ||
| What is the problem? | ||
| Find some food and see if you have enough calories in you to run this foot race later. | ||
| And if you don't, you're gonna vote it out. | ||
| You're gonna lose. | ||
| Yeah, goodbye. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's a lot more just like, okay, it's a game. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Now, I have no fucking idea. | ||
| So last night's episode was... | ||
| The second part of a two-parter, right? | ||
| And so they were supposed to be merging the tribes, but instead of doing that... | ||
| There was another twist, and that was that they split into two tribes, and half of them won immunity, right? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But there was an uneven number in the two tribes. | ||
| So the person who was left over got sent to a fucking exile island, where Jeff Probst showed up on a bus. | ||
| Fine. | ||
| On a what? | ||
| You can't show up on a bus. | ||
| Sorry, a boat. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| That was another B word. | ||
| If he got on the bus, that'd be great. | ||
| So he showed up on a boat with an hourglass, right? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And a hammer. | ||
| If you don't break all of your fingers by the time the sand has gone through this hourglass, you will be dead. | ||
| This is saw. | ||
| I said, if I got that, I would chase Probst off the island with the hammer. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| So the thing is that she had to decide whether or not to go back in time. | ||
| If she decided to break the hourglass, then the other half of the group who had lost the challenge would get immunity, and the other people would be vulnerable to be voted out. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So she's Sophie's choice to. | ||
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I was just sitting there like, why are we doing this? | |
| Drama. | ||
| Drama, Dan. | ||
| But it wasn't more dramatic than the game would have been normally. | ||
| The stakes are the same. | ||
| It's just confusing people. | ||
| I do appreciate that. | ||
| Okay, well, here's the thing. | ||
| We're going to exile her and we're going to say, pick one or the other. | ||
| That's immunity. | ||
| It's a very simple explanation. | ||
| How do we kind of like survivor that up a bit, you know? | ||
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Come on, man. | |
| Hourglass. | ||
| Thinking wizards. | ||
| Hourglass. | ||
| Let's go for it. | ||
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Hammer. | |
| Let's destroy the very embodiment of time. | ||
| Yeah, so I think afterwards, after the episode, I was reflecting a little bit, and I think I give up. | ||
| Not on the show, but I give up on caring. | ||
| Trying to understand? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Watching this show from now on will be an experience. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| It's going to happen to me. | ||
| Do you, and I don't know if you recall this directly, but do you remember the end of 1984? | ||
| The year I was born. | ||
| No. | ||
| The book. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| You remember how he is beaten down so much that he just loves the state? | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| But I'm not saying I love it. | ||
| I'm saying I'm putting up with it. | ||
| And I accept it. | ||
| Good. | ||
| What about you? | ||
| What's your bright spot? | ||
| My bright spot, Dan, is yoga. | ||
| I've been doing some yoga. | ||
| You're texting me some things about pain. | ||
| Yeah, it hurts a lot. | ||
| It was my second time doing it ever last night. | ||
| And I got in trouble. | ||
| Because I was being verbally corrected on something that I was doing wrong or whatever. | ||
| And it threw me, just hearing the voice threw me so much that I just fell and began laughing and just being like, I didn't hear a word you said! | ||
| You know, like how I would be. | ||
| Laughing is yoga. | ||
| See, no. | ||
| According to the people that are in yoga now or whatever, you're supposed to be all quiet and shit. | ||
| It's bullshit! | ||
| But anyways, it's fun to be reprimanded. | ||
| I landed in a new place for being loud and laughing too much. | ||
| I'm going to hit every possible activity where people can be angry at me for being loud and laughing too much. | ||
| Well, you kind of got to take the rough with the smooth. | ||
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Sure. | |
| I mean, because basically we've created this podcast and people enjoy it somewhat because you're loud. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| No, no, no. | ||
| It's a real negative feedback loop. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then unfortunately in other settings, like, oh God. | ||
| It's very unfortunate. | ||
| Knife cuts the other direction. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, I'm glad. | ||
| I look forward to you showing up one day to do the podcast and being like, look what I can do, and then putting your leg behind your head. | ||
| No, that won't happen. | ||
| Or something. | ||
| Some weird feat of flexibility. | ||
| I have already made this clear to my partner. | ||
| I am going to defeat yoga and then never do it again. | ||
| All right. | ||
| I'm going to be good at it, and then once I am, once I feel like I'm confident, I will say, this is dumb, and quit forever. | ||
| I wish you well. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| So, Jordan, today we are going back to the past. | ||
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Yes, sir. | |
| We're going to be talking about June 24th and 25th, 2003. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And the reason for that is because I didn't know if we were going to have enough lead time to do the episode that I wanted to do for Friday. | ||
| All right. | ||
| For this episode. | ||
| And that is, I realize that Alex is going to be talking... | ||
| Almost exclusively about Tucker's Patriot Purge documentary. | ||
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Yes. | |
| And people had gotten in touch and been like, please do an episode about... | ||
| Patriot Purge. | ||
| It does seem like that is our eventual end. | ||
| And I've been resistant to do episodes about Tucker Carlson for a number of reasons. | ||
| One, I don't want to step on the toes of there's another podcast that does Tucker. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And I don't want to breach other people's intellectual property. | ||
| Hey, can't do it. | ||
| Can't do it. | ||
| Every time any other podcast is talked about Alex Jones, I have obviously been very furious. | ||
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Sure. | |
| And the other reason, too, is that I just don't believe that Tucker Carlson is a sincere actor. | ||
| I don't think he interests me in the same way as Alex Jones. | ||
| I don't want to talk about any rich pricks, you know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, like, but that kind of childhood rich prick, you know, that kind of just like, he's a take your ball and go home kid, and you just, I don't want to deal with it. | ||
| I've lived long enough to watch his various incarnations, and I don't find him to be like a person with solid ground underneath his feet, let's say. | ||
| Integrity or consistency. | ||
| Well, but integrity sounds positive. | ||
| No, that's what I'm saying. | ||
| He doesn't have any. | ||
| Right, but to the extent that Alex Jones has integrity, it's that he's done this shit. | ||
| That is a good point. | ||
| There's different shades of some things throughout Alex's career, but there's what you could call a coherent through line. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| And there's not really for someone like Tucker or Glenn Beck. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| And that's why those people don't interest me as much. | ||
| I think that the intersection is so high here that we'll probably have to do something about Patriot Purge. | ||
| And Alex apparently did background work on it. | ||
| Sure, great. | ||
| It's kind of now. | ||
| It's in our canon. | ||
| So I wanted to do an episode about that, but I realized we probably wouldn't have enough lead time by the time it was all out and everything for this episode. | ||
| So that will be on Monday. | ||
| We'll talk about that on Monday. | ||
| And for now... | ||
| We're back in the past. | ||
| Hey! | ||
| Enjoying the smooth breeze of 2003s. | ||
| 14 things! | ||
| Witches don't want you... | ||
| That was 2002. | ||
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Oh, that's right. | |
| That was a little bit further back. | ||
| That was spectacular. | ||
| My bad. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So we'll get down to business on this, Jordan, but before we do, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks. | ||
| Oh, that's a great idea. | ||
| So first, Jordan's Afrikaner accent in episode 104 sounds like Kiwi Richard Nixon. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Now I kind of... | ||
| I'm hearing Kiwi nix it in my head, but I don't know how to make it come out of my mouth. | ||
| If I could, God, I could do it. | ||
| Well, just go back to 104. | ||
| I'm working on it. | ||
| So next, Celine's Adopted Pet Human Carlton. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| Thank you! | ||
| Next, The Sea Flame. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| Thank you very much. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Next, Raiden. | ||
| Editorially, God of Thunder. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| He was the god of thunder, right? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, he was the god of stuff. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Thanks, Raiden! | ||
| Next, say hello to Selene for me, I will. | ||
| Meow! | ||
| There we go. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| I go! | ||
| Next, Deep State Pizza. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| Thank you, Deep State Pizza. | ||
| And the Mancunian candidate. | ||
| That's the term for people from Manchester. | ||
| Ah! | ||
| I'm probably mispronouncing it. | ||
| Anyway, the Mancunian candidate. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| I wonder if there's a Liverpudlian candidate. | ||
| Liverpudlian? | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| Isn't that Lilliputlian? | ||
| Lilliputian candidate. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| That's what we should be going for. | ||
| Oh, Gulliver's Travel is that evil, evil book. | ||
| No one will ever suspect the tiny man of becoming president. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So, here we are back in the past, and I was like, oh, wait, we have figured out what we were looking for in the past. | ||
| We know that Alex does think he's fighting the devil. | ||
| Literal devil, yeah. | ||
| And so I was like, well, I still want to keep going in the past. | ||
| I still enjoy this. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| And so my initial justification was, let's see what he thinks more about Harry Potter. | ||
| This is fun. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| That is fun. | ||
| Listening over this episode, I realized what our new mission is. | ||
| And so we'll get to that in the middle of this episode. | ||
| But before we do, here's an out-of-context drop that I just think is kind of cute. | ||
| Let's talk to Barney and Marilyn. | ||
| Go ahead, Barney. | ||
| You're on the air. | ||
| Okay, Barney's not there. | ||
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Hey, I'm here. | |
| Okay, go ahead. | ||
| I don't know why, but there's just something charming. | ||
| That's something fun. | ||
| I really... | ||
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I don't know why, but that made me laugh so hard. | |
| Barney sounds so excited. | ||
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I'm here! | |
| I'm here! | ||
| Yeah, so I enjoyed that. | ||
| Also, he's got that Barney Fife kind of tone to him. | ||
| That's perfect. | ||
| So, we start here on the 24th, and Alex gets into talking about how the feds, they send anthrax around. | ||
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Oh, sure. | |
| And we've talked a bit about the anthrax letters that were sent in the wake of 9-11. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And, you know, we don't need to rehash that, but there's a piece of this narrative that I don't believe we've gotten into that I think is worth exploring. | ||
| The feds have been caught mailing fake anthrax letters in a congressional study that was done in 1999. | ||
| Remember all those powdered letters that got mailed to businesses and private businesses and government buildings, and the feds then got lots of fear going and said, oh, we need more federal funding. | ||
| And then it turned out the CIA actually sent some super weaponized anthrax for real. | ||
| In 2001, and Bush and his cabinet were on Cipro, the anthrax-fighting antibiotic, months before anybody ever heard of a case of it. | ||
| Well, they're just doing it again. | ||
| And Bush wants a $6-plus billion fund for forced inoculation. | ||
| Not just smallpox, but anthrax shots. | ||
| Oh, they're so deadly. | ||
| So yeah, we talked a bit about the Fed sending anthrax narrative, but we didn't talk about the angle of it that is this Bush administration folks being on Cipro. | ||
| Before the letters got sent out. | ||
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Right, right, right. | |
| Which Alex uses this, and he talks about it quite a bit. | ||
| It's a pretty consistent thing that he uses as proof that they had advanced knowledge that anthrax was going to be sent. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| Okay, okay. | ||
| So here's what happened with this. | ||
| Completely insane lawyer Larry Klayman, who is still with Judicial Watch at this point. | ||
| Great. | ||
| He, in 2002, he sued the Bush administration for, quote, access to documents about last fall's anthrax attacks, asserting that top officials may have known He was also suing them to get a copier back that administration had taken from him several years ago. | ||
| And he wanted to know if Bush ever called him an asshole. | ||
| So, Cipro is an antibiotic that can be used as a treatment for someone who's exposed to anthrax, but it's not really the kind of treatment you would want for inhaled anthrax, which is what the large concerns would be with the anthrax in these letters. | ||
| In fact, Clayman's clients in the suit were workers at a Washington Post office. | ||
| Two employees at the facility where they worked had handled the anthrax letters, and they had died because they inhaled anthrax. | ||
| Which, again, that's why you're really going to be concerned about the situation. | ||
| Not so much. | ||
| I mean, you could get it if you have a cut on your hand. | ||
| You could have a different kind of exposure. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure, sure. | ||
| The death kind is the one you don't want to get. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And the issue is that it wasn't until after this point, after September 11th, that the scientific community, they made breakthroughs in terms of antitoxin therapies, which are really effective against inhaled anthrax, like Anthem and Raxibacumab. | ||
| Did you just curse me? | ||
| I think I did. | ||
| So, yeah, Rexybacumab. | ||
| I prefer Anthem. | ||
| I like Anthem. | ||
| Which has a market name. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, that one's a good one. | ||
| Yeah, you should stick with that one. | ||
| So, at that time, though, after 9-11, these treatments weren't available, and the only real option that was on the table would have been antimicrobial agents and these antibiotics like Cipro or doxycycline. | ||
| The risk that these members of the Bush administration would have been taken by exposing themselves to anthrax, even if they were on Cipro, would be nuts. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's a bizarre conspiracy. | ||
| Do you know what's the weirdest part about this? | ||
| Is it something that people never talk about those anthrax letters? | ||
| Is they were really well written. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Like, collectors, like... | ||
| Letters to a Young Poet by Rainier Rilke. | ||
| It was basically like calligraphy. | ||
| Oh, it's amazing! | ||
| So there actually is a vaccine against anthrax called biothrax. | ||
| If the folks in the government really wanted to protect themselves from a false flag anthrax attack, that's almost certainly what they would have used. | ||
| Well, yeah, that would make sense. | ||
| So here is actually what happened in the real world. | ||
| On September 11th, right after the attacks, George W. Bush and many members of his staff were on board Air Force One. | ||
| physician Colonel Dr. Richard Tubb. | ||
| Tubb was understandably freaked out, and he decided to make a decision just in case the worst-case scenario came true. | ||
| From an interview with Tubb, quote, An antibiotic like Cipro wouldn't necessarily be super effective at | ||
| preventing you from being harmed by anthrax, but you have a better chance the sooner to right after the exposure you start taking it. | ||
| The reason that some of the staff were given Cipro is because after 9-11, the White House doctor wanted to cover his bases because if there had been a biologic attack, he wanted to start the antibiotics because if he waited, you couldn't get that time back. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| I gotcha. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is an incredibly stupid conspiracy theory because it fails to take into account the very clear explanation for why someone working in the White House might have been given Cipro around that time. | ||
| There was a fear on 9-11 that they might have already been exposed. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Also, you see here how Alex is using this story to drum up fears about forced vaccination. | ||
| That's because he always does that, and it never actually ends up happening. | ||
| When you go back and you listen to him be wrong about this shit, this specific shit, over and over again, he's being wrong so confidently. | ||
| You should really use that to inform how you hear him talking about COVID in the present day. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| It's just another one of these. | ||
| Yeah, it's the same thing, whether it's real or not outside, whether there's a deadly virus or not. | ||
| Vaccines are killing people or whatever. | ||
| Yeah, and it's interesting the way you can hear him tell this story, because he's talking about why would Bush administration people on Cipro months before the anthrax letters. | ||
| It wasn't months before, and there was a reason because it was on 9-11. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's suspicious the way he articulates it, but it's not actually suspicious. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| It's very reasonable. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, Alex has a big headline for the day. | ||
| This is one of his varsity stories. | ||
| And it's about the Houston chief of police coming out and saying, there's no justice. | ||
| It's a little bit of a stretch. | ||
| Okay, okay. | ||
| The chief of police, Houston, Texas, has gone public saying that you cannot get a fair trial in Houston, that things are hopelessly corrupt at the crime lab. | ||
| Publicly is in the job of operating a criminal syndicate, framing everyone. | ||
| That story's coming up. | ||
| That's quite a quote from the Houston police chief. | ||
| I mean, I've never heard a police chief go that far or that hard. | ||
| Seriously. | ||
| The whole system is out of order. | ||
| Going bulwark on their asses. | ||
| So I think he might be editorializing a little bit. | ||
| Could be, a little bit. | ||
| So what had happened is that there had been some concerns about the validity of the results that were coming out of the DNA crime lab in Houston. | ||
| After at least one person was found to have been wrongly convicted based on inaccessible I'm sorry, what? | ||
| I'm sorry, what did you just say to me? | ||
| Yeah, they had a bad leaky roof. | ||
| So you're telling me that the fucking thin line between conviction for 25 to life and exoneration is a leaky roof. | ||
| Well, that's not the only issue, but that was indicative of the trouble. | ||
| Yeah, that's not good. | ||
| Not being able to allocate funds. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because I think one of the bigger issues is that there were only two analysts working in the lab, which is way too few for a city as huge as Houston. | ||
| Wow, that's great. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's real great stuff. | ||
| The audit not only looked at the state of affairs at the lab, it also reviewed historical cases to identify potential flaws with evidence that came out of the lab. | ||
| The lab was closed in December 2002, and going back to the early 1990s, the audit found, quote, major issues in 43 out of 135 cases that they looked at. | ||
| That's too many. | ||
| Definitely. | ||
| And it also included four death penalty cases. | ||
| What? | ||
| That's a problem. | ||
| Oh, fuck me. | ||
| So many of the lab's potentially flawed pieces of work had ultimately been confirmed by independent testing. | ||
| So a number of the errors that they made that were major... | ||
| issues sure some of them were not about the accuracy of the results right just the process and documentation and stuff like that after sending this to the varsity team they actually got it right and they confirmed that surprise we also got it right but fuck if we knew we were going to we might have uh in unreliably got it right right you know right um but unfortunately there was that one definitive case where they were responsible for this wrongful conviction and also this audit uncovered a total of 52 | ||
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cases uh that they had on their books that hadn't been confirmed by outside testing and doing so at that point would likely be impossible. | |
| Right. | ||
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And thus, quote, the possibility of other wrongful convictions resulting from DNA analysis during this era cannot be dismissed. | |
| This is a big, big problem. | ||
| A lot of the other areas of the Houston Police Department labs were found to actually be pretty solid in the audit. | ||
| The areas for toxicology, trace evidence, and firearm testing did a good job, but that DNA part was a serious... | ||
| Serious problem. | ||
| Yeah, you know, the thing that everybody uses to convict people and says is smoking gun evidence. | ||
| You know, that small part of the process. | ||
| You know, DNA. | ||
| You know the small part. | ||
| The Houston Police Department suspended the lab and Internal Affairs reviewed any criminal and administrative violations that could have been made in the running of the lab and this resulted in a fair amount of house cleaning. | ||
| Like a bunch of people resigned. | ||
| The DA opened two grand juries into possible criminal charges for the lab's operation but neither Sure, sure, sure, sure. | ||
| At the point that Alex is on air talking about this, there's a massive review going on into the errors that have been made in the past, but the lab was not still operating. | ||
| And I'm certain that the police chief, Clarence Bradford, said nothing really close to what Alex is alleging. | ||
| I do like the idea of a police chief just snapping and just being like, you know what? | ||
| Fuck it. | ||
| I'm going to tell everybody everything. | ||
| This blue wall of silence? | ||
| I'm fucking... | ||
| That motherfucker killed six people yesterday! | ||
| I don't even know! | ||
| I did see some comments that he'd made about, like, prosecutors wanting to win as opposed to seeking justice or whatever. | ||
| And I think some of that might have been affected by the fact that he got in trouble with the law. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| And he had just had a case against him for, like, perjury. | ||
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Sure! | |
| Well, I mean, who hasn't perjured a little bit? | ||
| So when you have somebody who... | ||
| critical of the justice system, even though they're the chief of police, it's kind of relevant that they had just had a brush with the law. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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I don't know. | |
| That does tend to be important. | ||
| Anyway, that lab shit is very serious. | ||
| Yeah, no, totally. | ||
| It's a really serious story. | ||
| And the way Alex is covering it does a real disservice to the reality. | ||
| Totally. | ||
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And the hard work that people were doing within the audit and the Innocence Project type organizations that were trying to make sure whatever... | |
| Information that could be gleaned from this could be used to free people who had been wrongfully convicted. | ||
| Yeah, no, it's not surprising whenever, I mean, a genre of true crime is railroaded and put in jail unjustly. | ||
| You know, like, it's not like we have a small number of those documentaries just floating around out there. | ||
| That shit is pumped out on the regular for Netflix. | ||
| So, yeah. | ||
| So Alex has a bit of a mistelling of this Houston Crime Lab. | ||
| And I think, again, this is one of the points that I really want to make is like, this is a serious story, and Alex turns it into a joke by reporting it poorly. | ||
| The Houston Crime Lab has framed thousands publicly, and they think it's funny that they plant DNA or make up DNA results or plant hair or fibers, and it's just pandemic. | ||
| This is a disservice to actual reporting, and a story like this requires actual reporting, because it's a big deal. | ||
| Police chief here, we've never convicted a guilty man. | ||
| Not once! | ||
| Zero times! | ||
| We've framed thousands of people and it's fucking hilarious. | ||
| Everyone! | ||
| And we laugh about it at the Christmas party. | ||
| That's what it's all for. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, it's turning this into a cartoon story. | ||
| Yes, absolutely. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| You can't do anything about it. | ||
| It just makes you mad. | ||
| It's supposed to make you mad. | ||
| It's the villains from Captain Planet you're fighting against. | ||
| It's a half-rat man. | ||
| Yeah, okay, fine. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So Alex, uh, he's worried about crime naturally. | ||
| Um, but, and there's no justice in Houston, but Texas is great because they allow you to have guns. | ||
| Alex doesn't know how he would live in a state where he couldn't protect himself in his home from the roving gangs of crackheads who are breaking into everybody's house. | ||
| I'm gonna throw this out at ya. | ||
| Super easy. | ||
| So easy. | ||
| I have zero guns. | ||
| So now, after that, Alex... | ||
| Gets into talking about how in Texas, I don't know if you know this. | ||
| I don't know this. | ||
| This is an interesting phenomenon. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| When people break into cars in Texas. | ||
| Specifically in Texas. | ||
| In Texas. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| What they do is they only break into cars that are parked on the street. | ||
| Like if it's outside your house and it's on the street, they'll break into it. | ||
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Right. | |
| If it's in the driveway, they won't. | ||
| Okay, so we're operating on safe zone rules, traditional tag rules, you know, like I'm in the... | ||
| Home base. | ||
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Gotcha. | |
| Alex will explain why in this clip. | ||
| That's good. | ||
| I can't imagine what it'd be like sleeping in my house without firearms and bands of crackheads and heroin heads running around, busting down doors, raping and killing. | ||
| I mean, they don't do that in Texas. | ||
| Because they know what happens. | ||
| These crooks, by the way, are smart. | ||
| In my neighborhood, they've had a lot of cars getting broken into. | ||
| There has not been one car broken into that I know of. | ||
| I've talked to all the neighbors and we've been robbed as well. | ||
| All of the neighbors. | ||
| There has not been one person who's been robbed when the car is parked in the parking lot. | ||
| If you park it on the street and that's what happened to us, they will come after you. | ||
| Do you know why? | ||
| Because they know, the Texans know, that we can't kill them if they're robbing our cars on the street. | ||
| But you come on my driveway, I can kill you. | ||
| And I will, by the way, if I ever. | ||
| I've got cameras up. | ||
| And if I see somebody in my car, I'm going to go out and I'm going to, I don't know, I don't want the trouble of killing them. | ||
| I'll probably just tell them to get on the ground. | ||
| If they try something with a weapon, I'll probably shoot them. | ||
| That's really nice of you. | ||
| Plus, I don't really know if somebody just robbing my car needs to die. | ||
| But that is legal and lawful, and if you feel threatened in state law, go ahead and do it, and I'll back you. | ||
| That's a strange sort of weird discussion that he's having with himself on air. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Trying to figure out the ethics of shooting someone for rifling through your car. | ||
| It did have a little bit of a philosophy class kind of vibe to it, where he's going like, well, okay, so, all right. | ||
| I do think it's right to protect myself. | ||
| However, is the value of the objects in the car worth a human life? | ||
| On the other hand, does that mean that there are any valuable objects that are worth a human life? | ||
| Should it be $30,000? | ||
| Is that what I should kill a man for? | ||
| I was a philosophy minor in college, and I can tell you that usually you'd explore a little deeper than what Alex was doing. | ||
| This is not a good philosophy class. | ||
| It's very superficial. | ||
| And you'll hear that before he got to the point where it's like, I don't know if it's worth killing someone if they're robbing my car, the first thing he thought of was the hassle. | ||
| Yeah, it is true that his biggest problem was, I'll have to go to court, and I'll have to be like, I didn't do it on purpose. | ||
| I don't know if it's worth the trouble. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's the real problem with killing people. | ||
| It's just a whole fucking thing afterwards. | ||
| But we know that Alex has killed a lot of people. | ||
| Well, I mean, he hasn't killed nobody. | ||
| Based on his telling of it, he's killed a lot. | ||
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A lot of people. | |
| That's how he knows how much of a hassle it is! | ||
| He stomped guts out. | ||
| People died slow. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| He's a sick motherfucker who likes to kill. | ||
| He is really fucked up. | ||
| So yeah, he talks about some of his stories. | ||
| Of fighting here in this next clip. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Which is really weird. | ||
| It's really weird to hear him talk about stuff like this when we know that later he'll tell these stories about how he killed people. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's real quaint back in 2003. | ||
| In Scotland, the tagging of a child would be considered in cases where the youngster had already broken an antisocial behavior order. | ||
| See, it's now antisocial behavior. | ||
| Yelling, cussing, fist fighting. | ||
| Kids have been seen wrestling. | ||
| I mean, who didn't do that? | ||
| I was never a big potty mouth, but we certainly would go play baseball after school in a field in the neighborhood, and there were fistfights almost every couple weeks. | ||
| I wasn't always involved in them, but fistfights did take place. | ||
| Somebody hit a baseball. | ||
| We played baseball, and it would hit somebody in the head, and they'd say, you did that on purpose, and there'd be a fistfight. | ||
| That happens now. | ||
| You get tagged, you go to jail, you get into the system. | ||
| Leaving out the murder part. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Or the, I was constantly jumped by all the black people in town. | ||
| Yeah, it is weird. | ||
| And this telling, he's just kind of a kid who gets into fights whenever stuff goes wrong in a baseball game. | ||
| That's very nice. | ||
| It's like a little bit of a rough sandlot. | ||
| Yeah, it is very much a rough sandlot. | ||
| There was a fistfight in Sandlot. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| That's normal. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| You know what, man? | ||
| When you get into fights and the coaches at school would hear about it, they would punish you in just a folksy-ass way. | ||
| I know this. | ||
| We didn't have all the school shootings and all the problems because people would work it out in a fistfight. | ||
| And if the coaches in school caught you fighting, they'd say, okay, you've had your fight. | ||
| In fact, they'd stand there and let you fight. | ||
| They'd go, okay, now that you're done fighting... | ||
| How about we go run until you puke your guts out? | ||
| I got in a few fights, not a lot of fights, and I remember being walked out to the football stadium around the track, and the coach sitting there drinking lemonade, filling out, doing test scores, you know, the old talk classes. | ||
| I remember running around the track for an hour, hour and a half, with the coach yelling faster every time we rounded the bend and scoring homework assignments. | ||
| And you didn't want to get in a fight again after you had... | ||
| Oh, and then generally, they would catch you doing something small the next time, and they'd take you in and give you four or five swats, and you'd have a big old bruise across your hind end. | ||
| Where's the murder? | ||
| I was going to say, what's the time? | ||
| This is 2003. | ||
| So it takes about anywhere from 15 to 20 years to go from when I got into a fight, my coach made me run suicides to I curb stomped six people while surrounded by the fucking Denver Broncos. | ||
| And let me tell you, I liked it. | ||
| It was the best. | ||
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I liked it because I was demonic at the time. | |
| I put my hands in their blood and wiped it up. | ||
| Yeah, this story really... | ||
| It's spiraled. | ||
| It's like starting with a 1950s idyllic... | ||
| We used to play stickball in between the streets and whenever a car would drive by we would shake our fists at it. | ||
| You're running the game, sir! | ||
| It's starting with, like, me and my friends would chase a hoop down the road with a stick. | ||
| And then, like, a couple years later, the story is fucking Squid Game. | ||
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I was forced to kill my friends. | |
| Watch my friends die. | ||
| Every year, one person had to die in order to keep the school open. | ||
| Yes, yes. | ||
| They were the sacrificial lamb. | ||
| Yes, of course. | ||
| You know, like in the good old days. | ||
| I think that the 2003 version of these stories is a lot more... | ||
| Believable. | ||
| It's very believable. | ||
| Sounds like an actual story. | ||
| It's certainly relatable. | ||
| I remember when I played basketball in junior high, I dropped the coach's ring. | ||
| He was a football player. | ||
| He was in the NFL. | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
| He had a Super Bowl ring. | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
| And I dropped it accidentally. | ||
| Down a well? | ||
| No, it was on some carpet. | ||
| Nothing happened. | ||
| But he was like, you're running. | ||
| You're running laps. | ||
| You're running or I'm picking you up by the throat. | ||
| Which do you prefer? | ||
| Dan, you know what to do. | ||
| Alright, I got you. | ||
| There is that fun relationship between a boy and his coach where the coach just looks at you and you go, alright, fine. | ||
| And start running away. | ||
| And you know what? | ||
| Now that I actually articulate this and say this out loud, I wonder if that actually was a Super Bowl ring. | ||
| Because I bet it wasn't. | ||
| I bet it was something else. | ||
| I find it now, looking back as a 37-year-old person, I find it almost inconceivable that he brought a Super Bowl ring to a junior high basketball practice. | ||
| That does seem odd. | ||
| Although it would impress the hell out of everybody there. | ||
| Hard not to say that, too. | ||
| I do know that he did win a Super Bowl. | ||
| That is true. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Yeah, he absolutely did. | ||
| With who? | ||
| I think the Giants. | ||
| His name was Jerome Sally. | ||
| Oh, shit! | ||
| Coach Sally. | ||
| Oh, my God! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Wow! | ||
| Yeah, he was a tough... | ||
| Yeah, I imagine so. | ||
| I imagine so. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| All right, kids. | ||
| I coach Steve Young. | ||
| Now let's go get eight points today. | ||
| I also had an issue, too, with he went to the same church that I went to. | ||
| So he knew me before he was my coach. | ||
| And that also kind of led to him having a little bit of discomfort. | ||
| He picked on me a little bit. | ||
| Yeah, I don't like it. | ||
| It was fun. | ||
| It was a fun time. | ||
| But yeah, I look back on that and I'm like, it had to have been some other sort of ring. | ||
| I know that I dropped a ring that was of sentimental value and in my head I thought it was a Super Bowl ring. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| Maybe it wasn't. | ||
| And then I ended up running forever. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| I didn't throw up though. | ||
| And then I murdered a lot of people. | ||
| That does sound like my memory of you telling me this story several years ago for the first time. | ||
| I remember we were hanging out at a bar after we recorded the show and you were like, I can't believe, I can't wait to tell you this story. | ||
| Dropped a Super Bowl ring, murdered six people. | ||
| Now, my coach was actually in the Super Bowl! | ||
| So, I told you at the beginning of this episode that we have a new reason to stay in the past. | ||
| And that is that I had forgotten the timeline exactly, but 2003 is when Gray Davis, the governor of California, has a recall against him. | ||
| And it is just starting up here in June. | ||
| And that leads us to something very important. | ||
| I'm sitting here reading Arnold Schwarzenegger's bio for a possible run for governor of California, and they like him over there. | ||
| He's for gun control. | ||
| He's a good Bush Republican. | ||
| He is for massive gun control. | ||
| So I'm sure that you will all enjoy that. | ||
| And he also, of course, is pro-abortion, so he's a good neocon. | ||
| So it won't matter if you get rid of Davis, you'll just have some creature like Arnold Schwarzenegger. | ||
| Alex hates Arnold Schwarzenegger. | ||
| And I believe that this period where there is the runoff election, or the recall, excuse me, I think that this will be, I think he's going to go nuts. | ||
| I think it's going to be a really, really interesting period. | ||
| I am surprised he hates Arnold Schwarzenegger. | ||
| I am. | ||
| I don't know why. | ||
| I feel like there's something about Arnold that he should enjoy. | ||
| Like, he should see something in Arnold that reminds him of masculinity of some sort, right? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| It seems like he would be attracted to that. | ||
| Yeah, you'd think that they're just based on that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| On the testosterone alone. | ||
| I'm sure he wouldn't want to articulate to somebody how attracted he is to strong men, but I think that would be odd. | ||
| I don't know exactly what the bone that he's picking is. | ||
| But... | ||
| I know that he had a website that he was running that was like Arnold exposed. | ||
| Like, he goes all out against Arnold Schwarzenegger. | ||
| Does Jesse hate, does Ventura hate Arnold? | ||
| I'm not sure. | ||
| I actually haven't heard Alex bring up Jesse Ventura much in this 2003 period. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| Yeah, I know they probably, I don't know, when did Ventura run? | ||
| That's a good question. | ||
| Yeah, I don't remember. | ||
| It's hard to remember the crazy governors from each state. | ||
| Just like how in Texas there's no such thing as justice because of all the DNA tampering. | ||
| So every state has had a super insane governor at one point or another. | ||
| Jesse Ventura had just stopped being governor. | ||
| His term ended in 2003. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So, I don't know. | ||
| So this would have been the rise of Michelle Bachman. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| This would have been the beginning of the end of a reasonable communication. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| So I am now staying in the past under the guise of tracking Alex's coverage of the Arnold Schwarzenegger gubernatorial run. | ||
| That's what I'm excited about now. | ||
| You're going to have to come up with a good name for this investigation. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'll come up with a pun. | ||
| The sixth day. | ||
| Collateral damage. | ||
| Yes! | ||
| I also am still interested in seeing when Alex accepts reality about the bath party in Iraq. | ||
| Oh yeah, that would be interesting. | ||
| That's something else that I'm still tracking. | ||
| So, we're going to stay in the 2003 time frame. | ||
| I swear to God, the next episode we do in the present, he's going to be like, and the bath party is still in power in Iraq! | ||
| And they've taken over the globalists! | ||
| Exactly! | ||
| So, Alex talks here about a cousin of his. | ||
| I think it's Buckley. | ||
| Maybe it is. | ||
| Could be. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| He's got a big family. | ||
| Confederate royalty. | ||
| Well, if this is Buckley, his resume is much larger than House DJ and former InfoWars employee. | ||
| Okay, okay. | ||
| Because he did some real serious business. | ||
| Okay. | ||
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I've gone in and I've looked at... | |
| When I first heard this, I mean, actually, I was stationed down at Berksham Air Force Base. | ||
| I was in the 12th Tactical Intelligence Squadron. | ||
| You're familiar with that. | ||
| Well, now Bergstrom is the airport, but my cousin's there merging the Army with the police right now. | ||
| I'm sorry, what? | ||
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I tell you what, I was in Air Force Intelligence, and on 9-1-1, I'm watching the TV, and I'm thinking, this is absolutely impossible. | |
| There's absolutely no way this could happen without them letting it happen or being part of it. | ||
| That's when I want to search, and that's when I found you. | ||
| So I don't know if Buckley merged the police and the military, but he might have been doing that at the airport. | ||
| I mean, if it was Buckley's job, that would explain why it didn't happen. | ||
| And when people say that Alex is like CIA and shit like that, this is kind of the reason why some of those people get those theories is because he's like, my cousin is merging the police with the military. | ||
| How can you... | ||
| Maintain that level of, like, familiarity with your cousin if your cousin is literally implementing what you think is the fucking end of the world. | ||
| Your cousin is killing posse comitatus. | ||
| Yes, exactly! | ||
| Hey, buddy, let's, uh, listen, I think what you're doing is wrong. | ||
| Anyways, we'll see you at Thanksgiving. | ||
| You gotta agree to disagree sometimes. | ||
| Yeah, come on! | ||
| So also, this caller really touches on an important dynamic. | ||
| In response to a national tragedy like 9-11, he convinces himself there's no way that something like that could just happen. | ||
| It had to have been a conspiracy, he decides. | ||
| So reaching that conclusion, that happens before he goes out looking for information. | ||
| So what he's actually doing is less about seeking truth and more about finding someone who will help him feel secure in the conclusion that he's already come to. | ||
| He wants to be the choir for someone else to preach to and Alex fills that role quite well. | ||
| Almost no one gets convinced to follow Alex or believe what he says because if they were using the rational parts of their brain or they're engaging with the information he puts out, it would be almost impossible to take him seriously. | ||
| The path is often more like what this caller is describing, where there's actually no persuasion necessary. | ||
| Alex doesn't have to do any convincing. | ||
| He's just saying the things that these folks are craving to hear someone say based on the feelings that they have surrounding... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Not feeling comfortable with the randomness of life. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| That dynamic is also really, really active in the present-day stuff about COVID. | ||
| It's something that is worth thinking about. | ||
| Yeah, I can't accept a chaotic universe as ultimately the fundamental problem with everything that we do right now. | ||
| It does lead to a lot of bad thought patterns. | ||
| So, one of the products of the chaotic universe that we live in is that there have been... | ||
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Tied. | |
| What? | ||
| One of the products of the... | ||
| Like the detergent? | ||
| Oh, sure. | ||
| It's a literal product. | ||
| Oh, another one is that there have been a hundred different versions of the Hulk. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| So many. | ||
| So many versions of the Hulk. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| He hadn't even seen Avengers by this point. | ||
| We're still back on Edward Norton's Hulk. | ||
| He hadn't been almost cast in the Avengers. | ||
| No, that was Guardians of the Galaxy. | ||
| Aren't they part of the Avengers universe? | ||
| They are part of the Avengers universe, that's true. | ||
| Well, there you go. | ||
| That's true, that's true. | ||
| So, Alex saw the Hulk. | ||
| Okay, wait, what? | ||
| Yeah, he has some thoughts. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But let me give you a really good example of mind control. | ||
| I went and saw a late night edition of the Hulk last night. | ||
| And the bad guy in the movie, he is anti-world government. | ||
| He's anti-corrupt government. | ||
| Sounds like you've got a siren in the background. | ||
| Thanks for the call, Sam. | ||
| I appreciate it, and thanks for that information. | ||
| What just happened? | ||
| They go in, and they, you know, at the end of the movie, the bad guys against big government. | ||
| See, it's always that message. | ||
| The bad guys against big government. | ||
| And you watch the daytime talk shows. | ||
| The Jerry Springers. | ||
| They'll have some toothless Klan guy up there calling black people all these horrible names. | ||
| Then he'll add to it, by the way, it's a New World Order. | ||
| New World Order. | ||
| And he'll speak out against the New World Order and taxes and regulation and the U.N. So now, when... | ||
| I mean, they would never have me on one of those shows, because I bring people together to defeat the New World Order, to expose the threat. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| The times that Alex has been on shows, he certainly was bringing people together, comporting himself like a respectable gentleman, really bringing the information to the table, not just screaming plugs for Infowars.com. | ||
| You know, I think, when I think of Alex, I think... | ||
| There's just not been anyone so much like Fred Hampton in my lifetime. | ||
| Somebody who can bring together all of the lower class, doesn't matter what race, doesn't matter what creed. | ||
| Bring him in. | ||
| That's Alex, right? | ||
| Alex is a unifying force. | ||
| Absolutely, yeah. | ||
| I think that I have some bad news for Alex, and the people who are super racist and also are against the New World Order and stuff, they aren't plants. | ||
| No. | ||
| There's a lot of racists in your community. | ||
| Yeah, I think Alex's real problem is more that they pick a racist without teeth. | ||
| He would prefer that he were to go on these shows so he could be the racist screaming about the New World Order. | ||
| He would wear a suit. | ||
| And he'd have really nice teeth. | ||
| He'd have gotten braces a week before. | ||
| These people are being too publicly contemptible. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Whereas if I were to go on there, I would make racism look good. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
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Yep. | |
| And the Hulk, apparently, is mind control. | ||
| Yeah, sure. | ||
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I'm fine with that. | |
| What about the other one? | ||
| What about the next one? | ||
| What other one? | ||
| The Ang Lee one is before this or after it? | ||
| I think he must be talking about the Ang Lee one, because I think the Ang Lee one came before the Edward Norton one, and that came before What's-His-Dumb-Face took over as the Hulk for the Avengers. | ||
| The Ang Lee Hulk was the 2003 one. | ||
| Nice! | ||
| Yeah, so that's the Eric Bana. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Okay, so let's see. | ||
| Norton would have been in, what, like 2008 or 2009 or something? | ||
| Yeah, 2008 is The Incredible Hulk. | ||
| Yeah, right. | ||
| The Edward Norton one. | ||
| Yeah, wow. | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| Marvel has dominated my adult life in a kind of brutal fashion. | ||
| And pretty shocking that you nailed both of those years. | ||
| No, it's really, it makes me question my sanity. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| I know that I watched those. | ||
| I don't remember them. | ||
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Here's the worst part. | |
| I think I was bored. | ||
| Here's the worst part. | ||
| Never saw both of those. | ||
| I've never seen one of the Hulk movies. | ||
| That is rough. | ||
| That is weird. | ||
| So Alex takes some calls, as you heard the siren in that call, the guy who's on the phone. | ||
| And Alex gets a little bit upset at this next caller who brings up a certain radio host. | ||
| I was like, who is this? | ||
| And Alex doesn't give me very many clues. | ||
| See, the neocons will take some issue that has some importance. | ||
| but is dwarfed by all these other issues. | ||
| I heard that same host on Monday saying Harry Potter's good and it's not the occult and it's not a problem. | ||
| Oh, yeah, they just released it on the summer solstice, folks. | ||
| I mean, come on. | ||
| If you can't see that, you're blind. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| If you can't see that Harry Potter is demonic because they released one of the five books on the solstice. | ||
| Right. | ||
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You're blind. | |
| I mean, it tracks to me. | ||
| So apparently some host was on the radio, this neocon, was talking about how Harry Potter isn't evil or demonic, and Alex does not enjoy this. | ||
| It turns out, I believe this is Michael Savage, because Alex complains a bit more about Michael Savage throughout this. | ||
| He gets another call from somebody who's like, hey, you know, I was trying to turn my friends on to your show. | ||
| And I told this guy to listen, right? | ||
| And so I told him, and then he told me that I did listen, and I called the FBI because that dude's crazy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He tells this story twice. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Then Alex brings in his guest for the show, which is Ray McGovern. | ||
| It's a guy who's... | ||
| Been on quite a bit, like an intelligence analyst. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And Alex wants the caller to tell Ray this story. | ||
| It's just, he tells the story so many times, and it's not even a good story. | ||
| That's terrible. | ||
| Ray, I just wanted to illustrate that, because I hear this national talk show host here locally in Austin say every day, I mean, I tune in probably ten times, I've heard it five times. | ||
| Anyone that disagrees with the government should be arrested and put in a camp. | ||
| Were you aware of what Michael Savage is saying? | ||
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No, I'm afraid I'm allergic to listening to those things, Alex. | |
| I'm not aware of it, but I'm not surprised. | ||
| Yeah, so this caller has told this story for the third time, and now Alex is like, yeah, it's like the FBI, they want to put me in jail like Michael Savage is calling for it. | ||
| It metastasized instantly. | ||
| I find it fascinating that Michael Savage is so hated by Alex at this point, and like... | ||
| In the future, Alex will be like, he's always been a great hero. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| It's like you with Survivor. | ||
| He's just been beaten down by so much Michael Savage over the years. | ||
| He's like, hey, he says enough of the stuff I like to hear. | ||
| Don't think that's analogous, but fine. | ||
| So Alex has this interview with Ray McGovern for about the rest of the show. | ||
| And I find it very boring. | ||
| It's basically just, hey, Iraq sucks. | ||
| Like, not Iraq the country, the war. | ||
| It's bad and... | ||
| Sure, sure, sure, sure. | ||
| Why not? | ||
| Yeah, war is bad. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I'm with you. | ||
| And Ray McGovern expresses that he feels bad for the people in Iraq. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Good. | ||
| Yeah, that's totally the right take. | ||
| But then he says something that I would have thought Alex would freak out about, and it's kind of disappointing that he doesn't. | ||
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I feel incredibly angry, Alex, not only at what's going on, but at what's being done not only to these children, to the Iraqis, but what's being done to the souls of our troops. | |
| We really can't blame the troops. | ||
| They signed up, most of them from the inner city, most of them from the farms. | ||
| They hoped that the Army would give them away into education and so forth. | ||
| They didn't bargain for this. | ||
| And now they're being trained to be bloodthirsty psychopaths. | ||
| They're going to come back here and become our police officers. | ||
| And if somebody says, oh, you don't support the troops, shut up. | ||
| Hey, a unit of Delta Force came back and in one week killed four of their wives, folks. | ||
| Something's happening to their souls. | ||
| Go ahead, Ray. | ||
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So that's a really important aspect of all this. | |
| As for, you know, as for what needs to be done, well, clearly this needs to be internationalized. | ||
| We can't pretend to have the answer to these things. | ||
| We had no plan going in. | ||
| We had no plan for what would happen after the war. | ||
| So we need to get the U.N. in there, and we also need to invite the U.N. inspectors back. | ||
| So that should be something that leads to fireworks. | ||
| Yeah, no, Alex should have been like, blah! | ||
| Yeah, like he's like, well, we should bring in the devil. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Basically, that's what Alex should hear that as. | ||
| And it doesn't lead to a fight. | ||
| It's really disappointing. | ||
| We're going to need the front man for evil to step in and fight this battle for us. | ||
| We need to internationalize this. | ||
| I can't believe that somebody would say that to Alex's face and Alex would not react like that. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| I think part of it is at this point, Ray McGovern is kind of somebody who has some credibility. | ||
| And I don't think Alex wants to lose that. | ||
| Once again, we get into status imbalance leading to Alex being a scaredy cat. | ||
| Yeah, and at this point, Alex is incredibly low status comparatively. | ||
| And I think that's why he does speak up and is like, oh, the UN's actually bad, and Ray isn't having any of it. | ||
| But it doesn't lead to a fight. | ||
| It just leads to them talking, having separate conversation, essentially. | ||
| Alex says one thing, Ray kind of ignores it and says another. | ||
| I wanted it to be a fight. | ||
| And that's also one of those things with Alex that's such a tell for me. | ||
| Regardless of all the other shit, somebody who's so that aware of how status imbalance should change the way that they... | ||
| To the point where it's so obvious he's just a bully. | ||
| That's what every interaction with a status imbalance shows, is Alex is just a bully. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| But he's also a bully with a bad radar. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| Because he also thought that he could bully Bill Ayers. | ||
| That is true. | ||
| That blew up in his face. | ||
| Well, yeah, but that's because Bill Ayers is a lefty... | ||
| Socialist monster, so it should be easy when you have the power of the Lord behind you to, say, get behind me, Satan. | ||
| Right, bad radar. | ||
| Bad radar bullying. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah, I also think that there's something... | ||
| I just feel like if you believe that the UN is an instrument of trying to explicitly, from the beginning, has been about bringing in the New World Order, a one-world government, which is going to be run by the Antichrist and Satan. | ||
| Right. | ||
| If somebody is being like, well, I think we need to bring in the UN in order to fix this mess that is happening in Iraq, and international solutions are necessary. | ||
| You should not be able to move on to any other subject until this is cleared up, and if you have a fundamental disagreement, you should be like, thank you very much, I cannot talk to you, because you believe in the devil. | ||
| And Alex doesn't do that, because it's not serious. | ||
| What I do when somebody says something like that is I scream uncontrollably and start barking like a dog. | ||
| He has a political opposition to... | ||
| You know, international solutions to problems. | ||
| And he masks that with, it's the devil, because it's more interesting and fun, and it pokes his listeners' emotional buttons. | ||
| Brutal. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Anyway, we move on to the 25th, because the Ray McGovern interview is not really all that interesting. | ||
| Alex starts out the show saying something that is really funny, really silly. | ||
| Welcome, my friends. | ||
| Welcome to another live edition of The Alex Jones Show, where we talk about real issues. | ||
| Sorry, what? | ||
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You and your family. | |
| No, I'm sorry. | ||
| We're not going to discuss how stupid Hillary Clinton is or how dumb Jesse Jackson is or how the Democrats are traitors. | ||
| We already know that. | ||
| We're going to address on this show the neocons that are expanding government, grabbing our guns, getting rid of our borders. | ||
| Wait a couple years and see how much you talk about Hillary being stupid. | ||
| No shit. | ||
| Jesus, man. | ||
| I like that that's an issue that is not relevant to his callers and their families at this point, and then becomes... | ||
| The only relevant issue. | ||
| Wow, it's the only thing that's ever been important. | ||
| She's been working with the devil since she was born. | ||
| Alex saw it in a dream prophetically, and that's why he can say, fuck it, you don't need to pay attention to Hillary Clinton. | ||
| Fine. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So almost the first hour of this episode is Alex yelling about how he's the one who really supports the troops. | ||
| And honestly, I don't want to split too many hairs about this because most of the point that he's making is fine. | ||
| And that is, if you do support the troops, you should not support sending them into an unjust war where people are going to get killed. | ||
| killed and forcing them to be in a situation where they could kill civilians and have that on their conscience. | ||
| That's not an arguable thing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And he's like, you know, and if you support the troops, you should support health care for veterans and, you know, like, all this stuff. | ||
| Like, yes, fine point. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Good job. | ||
| Good job. | ||
| But it's about almost the whole first hour, so here's a little taste. | ||
| Supporting the troops doesn't mean using them like, well, like birdcage liner. | ||
| And loving America doesn't mean... | ||
| Again, I talk about plastic Chinese desecrated American flags. | ||
| I am offended. | ||
| I'm the type of guy who would get a tear in my eye during the Star Spangled Banner, during the Pledge of Allegiance, and I still do. | ||
| In fact, even more so, because I think of how this country's being ruined by fake, shallow phonies who are so stupid politically that they don't even know that they are ultra-liberals. | ||
| The liberals are so liberal now and so mind-controlled that they call themselves conservatives. | ||
| Holy shit, man. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| He's really above the left-right paradigm. | ||
| Way above it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But I think that it really is a clear articulation of what he believes his politics to be, and that is that the left is super evil, super bad, and the conservatives are actually just the left. | ||
| They're pretending to be the right, but they're the left. | ||
| He conceives of himself as just being conservative when he's... | ||
| He's extremely far to the right. | ||
| The problem with the neocons is that they're Democrats, and Democrats are the problem. | ||
| So it doesn't matter what you call yourself, anybody I don't like is a Democrat. | ||
| His problem with the left and the right isn't that they each have problems and things that there are like, okay, this is where you're wrong here a little bit. | ||
| It's that they're the same thing, and they're all to the left of him. | ||
| That's what it is. | ||
| I'm so far right, everything is to the left of me, so I hate everything. | ||
| Yeah, and he's able to trick people into thinking that he's above this sort of dichotomy, and he's able to trick people into thinking he's sensible because he has sensible positions like this supporting the troops. | ||
| Doesn't mean supporting them being used to have this nonsense war. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And also, I think he's a little bit of a blowhard. | ||
| I get a tear in my eye. | ||
| Yeah, oh my god. | ||
| I hear the Star Spangled Banner and I cry. | ||
| Fuck off. | ||
| Oh, Jesus. | ||
| Ridiculous. | ||
| Imagine crying saying the Pledge of Allegiance as an adult. | ||
| As an adult. | ||
| Single tear. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| Let me pledge allegiance to this thing destroying me. | ||
| Christ. | ||
| I only think that that could happen if it was the culmination of, like, a really traumatic experience or something like that. | ||
| Like, I'm in a movie kind of experience. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| Maybe I live Independence Day. | ||
| Okay, the movie Independence Day. | ||
| And then at the end, we say the Pledge of Allegiance. | ||
| Then I might cry. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| But I will have had to live this attack of these aliens first. | ||
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Right, right. | |
| So Bill Pullman has just given his big, this is the Independence Day for the World speech. | ||
| Then we... | ||
| We got the dude flying up into the thing, the whole thing explodes, and then Bill Pullman leads you in the Pledge of Allegiance. | ||
| Tear. | ||
| Tear. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| In those circumstances, that's okay. | ||
| Will Smith comes up behind you and hugs you. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| No, totally. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| Did Jeff Goldblum survive? | ||
| Yes, Jeff Goldblum survived. | ||
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Okay, yeah. | |
| He made it into the sequel. | ||
| Oh, that's right. | ||
| Talk about a status imbalance. | ||
| Will Smith did not. | ||
| What about... | ||
| I can't remember who else is in that movie. | ||
| So, we get to a little more Harry Potter talk here. | ||
| So, Alex gets a call from a guy who's like, hey, man. | ||
| Hey, man. | ||
| What if the release of Harry Potter is just a distraction? | ||
| Alex says. | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
| Alex says, no. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| John, you're on the air. | ||
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Yes. | |
| Is the Harry Potter rollout on the summer solstice designed to divert attention from Bohemian Grove and the Franklin cover-up? | ||
| Oh, right. | ||
| He is a cult, and that's basically what this is all about, getting us away from our Christian values. | ||
| And anybody that denies that just hasn't studied it. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So, uh, witches do the exact same thing as Christians do, but witches are a cult, Christians aren't a cult, that's completely different, because we're right about things, because God is real. | ||
| He gives us the powers to banish demons, control magic, and you know, the whole thing, right? | ||
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Uh-huh. | |
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
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I... | |
| What sort of Christian book are you talking about? | ||
| There's a lot of books that are sold at Christian bookstores that are persuasive or Bible study kind of books. | ||
| There's a book and it's just about a character who happens to be Christian. | ||
| I don't think it wouldn't necessarily be a persuasive book towards evangelizing. | ||
| In the same way that Harry Potter isn't trying to get you into witchcraft, it's just... | ||
| He's a fucking wizard. | ||
| Right. | ||
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But isn't he kind of implying that a book written by a Christian similar to Harry Potter would specifically have the unspoken you should join Christianity? | |
| Maybe. | ||
| Because it only makes sense for him if that's the case for Christians to do it. | ||
| Why wouldn't the witches be doing it? | ||
| I mean, it's possible. | ||
| But I think one of the other things, too, there's an undercurrent that I think Alex is lamenting, and that is that if this book was about a child like Harry Potter, who is destined to go to a monastery or something, become a monk, it wouldn't be as cool as Harry Potter. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And so you wouldn't get the kids who were, like, freaking out about, like, oh my god, I love this book, where the kid becomes a monk. | ||
| Now I'm thinking, what if Umberto Eco wrote Harry Potter with all the Christian iconography? | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| I think it would have a tougher time catching on, not because of an aversion to Christianity and pop culture, but just because... | ||
| That's not, being a monk isn't as cool to kids as being a wizard. | ||
| True. | ||
| Because there's magic involved. | ||
| And semiotics professors don't necessarily relate to the children's trends these days. | ||
| So this same caller is like, hey man, hey man, anyone going to the Grove this year? | ||
| You gonna go check out the Grove? | ||
| Alex says no. | ||
| Not doing anything Friday, you going to the Grove? | ||
| Alex says no. | ||
| And then this caller breaks some important news to Alex. | ||
| Okay. | ||
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Is anybody going to go out there with video this year? | |
| Well, I snuck in three years ago. | ||
| Three years, July 15th. | ||
| It'll be three years. | ||
| And I don't know. | ||
| I certainly won't ever be going back there. | ||
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Well, I gave copies of that tape and your 911 tape to Ralph Nader and Congressman John Duncan, Republican, and Law Professor RFK Jr. | |
| So at this point, I'm thinking, wait, you know Ralph Nader? | ||
| It does seem like he is like, hey, Ralph, sends him a little text message, I got this thing to get you. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I thought that was a little bit interesting. | ||
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That's odd. | |
| The story goes on. | ||
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Okay. | |
| So they're all seem to be pretty impressed with that. | ||
| Wait, wait, so you heard back from them. | ||
| I'm sorry, so you're telling me that Ralph Nader... | ||
| Sent you a message saying like, whoa, this Alex cat really did find something. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| They got together and we're talking about seatbelts. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Naturally. | ||
| No, no, of course. | ||
| RFK Jr. is there. | ||
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Uh-huh. | |
| And they're like, that Alex video is pretty good. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I was like, wow, this collar. | ||
| This is a big deal. | ||
| Wait a second. | ||
| Is this where RFK Jr. goes crazy? | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
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Did he give him the Alex thing and that's the beginning of it all? | |
| You never know. | ||
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Oh, man. | |
| This could be a... | ||
| He's cute. | ||
| You say they were impressed with it? | ||
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Yeah, after they watch it, they seem to change their attitude on television. | |
| It may just be coincidence. | ||
| Maybe they never watched it. | ||
| Nader did jump ship from the Green Party and is now apparently running for Republican. | ||
| Presidential nominee, and he's attacking Bush on C-SPAN really hard. | ||
| That's disappointing. | ||
| He just, like, mailed them the videos. | ||
| So he mailed them the video, and then he saw something Nader said on TV the next couple weeks ago, and he's like, well, clearly Nader saw the thing. | ||
| This has got to be about me sending him Alex's tape. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| This is definitely not me talking to the TV. | ||
| That would be crazy. | ||
| No. | ||
| Ha ha ha. | ||
| And Ralph Nader did not run for Republican. | ||
| He went independent for the 2004 election. | ||
| And a big part of that was... | ||
| The Republican wasn't right enough for him. | ||
| They weren't far right enough for Ralph Nader. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It was an electoral strategy that they used. | ||
| Yeah, it wasn't so much that Alex Jones' video blew his mind and he left the Green Party. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| Ralph Nader leaving the green party because of Fahrenheit 9-11. | ||
| I think it's really fun the way that Alex responded to that caller because there was a moment where he thought like, Oh, you know Ralph Nader. | ||
| Ralph Nader really did like my video. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So disappointing. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| At a certain point, he's got to learn not to get his hopes up. | ||
| Yeah, that's a terrible idea. | ||
| Don't take any of these callers seriously. | ||
| You know, a lot of the times, 99% of callers to most shows don't really have any information. | ||
| And 1%, whoa! | ||
| They really are on it. | ||
| A hundred percent of InfoWars callers are going to lie to you about knowing whether or not the TV is speaking to them. | ||
| And interestingly, 99% of Alex's callers have a career in intelligence. | ||
| It's so weird. | ||
| They're all in Space Command. | ||
| So we talked on a recent 2003 episode about Alex's conspiracy about UNESCO wanting to destroy the family and how that's bullshit. | ||
| But apparently they do want to destroy the family. | ||
| Oh, they do? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And again, we have the UNESCO that Bush has signed on to saying, and I read it last week, their official document, the family is the enemy is a disease. | ||
| Official UNESCO documents posted at Newsmax. | ||
| We link to it. | ||
| I've read it right out of the UT textbooks, the Calhoun Reader. | ||
| The family is the enemy. | ||
| We will destroy it. | ||
| This is how you do it. | ||
| It's not a stereotype. | ||
| It's a unit of survival and strength. | ||
| Your kid is four to five times more likely to end up in prison on drugs if they do not have a man in the house. | ||
| Doesn't work to have two women. | ||
| Doesn't work to have two men. | ||
| We are genetically engineered by God to follow a certain pattern. | ||
| And they know it. | ||
| That's why they're trying to destroy it. | ||
| Yeah, so Alex's belief in family systems being heteronormative and one man, one woman, it's not based on something that's changeable. | ||
| It's based on his belief that God genetically engineered humans to be that way. | ||
| That's the only system that works. | ||
| And to do otherwise is an affront to God. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because God could not have thought ahead and saw people not acting like the way he wanted him to. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| So what you could do is you could, I don't know, find statistics about two-parent households where, you know, it's a woman and a woman or a man and a man or any combination of genders. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| And they would show, obviously, that you're four to five times more likely to be a... | ||
| You could find that that's not the case. | ||
| There's relative similarities in outcomes in households. | ||
| And it wouldn't matter to Alex. | ||
| You could have any statistic you want because that statistic has nothing to do with disproving that God genetically made us. | ||
| I was going to say, did God write those statistics? | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's a way that this argument can never really actually be had. | ||
| But Alex will throw things in like four to five times more likely to end up in prison if you don't have a man in the home. | ||
| But then, what about two men? | ||
| You know, here's what's fun. | ||
| Here's what's fun about this type of stuff. | ||
| Have you ever noticed how the answer ultimately will always be because God said so? | ||
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Yep. | |
| And yet somehow there are so many things that they also want to say on top of that. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know, if your ultimate answer is because God said so, why are you telling me that there are statistics to back it up? | ||
| Because you don't want to start with that because then you sound like a crazy religious zealot. | ||
| You got it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Anyway, the Washington Post apparently has an article about how they're going to outlaw the Bible. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Did you hear about that? | ||
| The Washington Post is going to outlaw it? | ||
| No, they is a vague term. | ||
| Let's call them UNESCO. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The Washington Post is savagely basically attacking Mel Gibson. | ||
| There's a film about Christ. | ||
| The ADL says a description. | ||
| Is that why? | ||
| And going from the King James Version, actually reading out of the Bible is the text of the film. | ||
| It may be a crime. | ||
| I'm going to read this article the next hour. | ||
| They're calling for it to be changed. | ||
| They say showing the Pharisees calling for the death of Christ is anti-Semitic. | ||
| And I read the BBC News article last year. | ||
| There may be a ban on the New Testament in large areas of the Old Testament. | ||
| So, again, this is the new system as well. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| I would have switched that around. | ||
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I assumed that the ban would be on the Old Testament. | |
| So the Passion of the Christ wouldn't actually come out until the next year, but at this point, many advocacy groups like the ADL had been given copies of the script. | ||
| They were a little bit concerned with the way that this story was being told. | ||
| For one thing, Mel Gibson was taking a great deal of artistic license, seemingly mostly in ways that painted Jews as being evil and bloodthirsty. | ||
| Well, you know, in the... | ||
| Given Gibson's subsequent behavior, I would say it's probably not an accident. | ||
| Also, I didn't realize this until I was checking in on The Passion's release date, but they're actually making a sequel that's due to be released next year. | ||
| Wait, what? | ||
| In our time? | ||
| Yes, it's 2022. | ||
| They're making a sequel to The Passion of the Christ. | ||
| About the resurrection. | ||
| Oh, I was gonna say, I was like, you can't repassion that Christ, man. | ||
| No, no, it's the next sort of story within that... | ||
| Million. | ||
| Chain. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So this is going to be a huge mess, I think, considering that Jim Caviezel is set to play Jesus again. | ||
| And in the years since the first one, he's gone completely insane and is now a big QAnon guy. | ||
| His star has risen beyond what even Jesus could have hoped. | ||
| He's particularly big on promoting adrenochrome-related conspiracies, which, of course, are really just a modern-day rehashing of the blood libel. | ||
| I do not look forward to this movie coming out, because whatever accusations there were about anti-Semitism in the first one, I can't imagine how amplified they're going to be this time. | ||
| That is fucking wild. | ||
| We are going to make a movie about the most famous Jew of all time to make sure everyone hates the Jews. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I think there's even just a fundamentally offensive thing about, like, Jim Caviezel playing Jesus again at this point. | ||
| Oh, a white dude? | ||
| Sure, there's an element of that there, too. | ||
| But more to the fact that he's an active promoter of anti-Semitic conspiracy theories. | ||
| It seems... | ||
| Fraught. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Well, I mean, but even then, Mel Gibson was part of his... | ||
| I'm sure he was part of his dad's church at this point in time, and they were violently anti-Semitic. | ||
| So it's not like anti-Semitism has caused a problem for his career, you know? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| I'm not looking forward to this movie coming out. | ||
| I'm not looking forward to it. | ||
| No. | ||
| No. | ||
| It's not going to be a good time. | ||
| I also think that in 2004, when that movie came out, we weren't nearly as... | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| That could really do some public damage. | ||
| Oh, yeah, no, that would not be good. | ||
| People might kill each other over that movie. | ||
| I really hope not. | ||
| Yeah, I hope not, too. | ||
| That first movie, I remember churches busing in groups of people to go see the movie. | ||
| They're like, hey, this is cool. | ||
| I mean, we gotta get kids to see this. | ||
| We need children seeing this. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Now it's gonna be like, we need children killing the people who hate this movie. | ||
| As I recall, I was in college at the time, and my dad, who's a religious studies professor, had written a sort of a letter to the editor to the local paper about the Passion of the Christ not being great. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| And I remember walking on campus one day, and the preacher, Brother Jed, who was like this campus preacher who would just yell whore at people. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| You know, the good kind. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I remember walking by and hearing him yelling about my dad. | ||
| That's hilarious. | ||
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Yeah, because apparently he took issue with this letter to the editor. | |
| Oh, how dare you? | ||
| I was like, whoa, that's fun. | ||
| I think it's worthwhile getting angry over a movie! | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Especially a movie that, by your own book, should be considered insanely blasphemous. | ||
| I didn't have enough awareness of what campus preachers were kind of like at that point, and so I waited until he stopped yelling, and I went over and was like, hey, you know, that's my dad. | ||
| Please, just stop yelling bullshit about my family. | ||
| There's a little bit of a beat, and then he called me a seed of Satan and started screaming, back from me! | ||
| Away! | ||
| So I just started laughing. | ||
| I walked away. | ||
| I was like, this is pointless. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| That's good stuff. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So Alex gets another call here. | ||
| A lot of calls on this episode. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| The first hour is just like, hey, supporting the troops means something different than they say. | ||
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Right, right, right. | |
| And then it's a lot of calls. | ||
| And this one guy... | ||
| He is calling in to tell Alex that he's been pulled over a couple times, and this last time, the police wanted to search his car. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And he said, yeah, sure, go ahead. | ||
| Ooh, that was the wrong move. | ||
| Alex says that, too. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But also, it turns out that they didn't end up searching his car. | ||
| Oh, okay, well then, the story is over. | ||
| There's no point in telling it. | ||
| It's a very boring story. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
|
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Oh, what? | |
| This is part of a conspiracy. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| It's been in the news in New York. | ||
| They're stopping people randomly, giving them tickets for everything. | ||
| It's about squeezing us, sir. | ||
| And they've got a lot of new mandates they've been given federally, so they're increasing their activities to fund them. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But the fact that they didn't search your car three times, when they pulled you over the third time, did you point out this is the third time, why are you doing this? | ||
|
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I did, and they said that it was coincidental. | |
| Yeah, sure. | ||
| But you say that you work in a software company that does work for the government? | ||
|
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Yeah, it's all contract work. | |
| And you did a bunch of four-year requests, Freedom of Information Act requests? | ||
|
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Correct. | |
| Probably a call came down just to harass you, but that's, I mean, I wouldn't let that stop you. | ||
| Oh, great, okay. | ||
| This is good thinking. | ||
| What a fucking, how do you get to be that psychopathically confident? | ||
| You know, just like, oh, you know what? | ||
| That sounds to me like they're doing the regular old thing they do. | ||
| Somebody gave the call down to harass you, obviously. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| By not searching your car? | ||
| When they ask and you give them consent to? | ||
| Weird. | ||
| This is so stupid. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Say you're white without saying you're white. | ||
| I gave them consent to search my car and they didn't. | ||
| I do think that there's something really toxic about this kind of interaction with this listener, who obviously views Alex as a credible sort of person, source of information. | ||
| To tell this story, and then Alex's response will be like, oh, yeah, obviously a call came down, and they're probably just trying to harass you for the FOIA requests that you're making. | ||
| I just think it's unhealthy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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It leads people down a bad path. | |
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| It is... | ||
| You're calling in for, you know... | ||
| You could get two things. | ||
| When you call in, you know you can get one or the other thing. | ||
| You can get confirmation or you can get comfort. | ||
| And Alex is always for confirmation. | ||
| Just that like, hey, I think the government's out to get me and kill me and my entire family. | ||
| And Alex could just be like, you know what? | ||
| I am the conspiracy guy, and guess what I can tell you? | ||
| This one time, you're totally fine. | ||
| You're safe. | ||
| You're totally safe. | ||
| This is amazing. | ||
| You're the safest person in the history of the world. | ||
| The government has no idea who you are. | ||
| Or you can be like, ah, guess what? | ||
| You're totally right. | ||
| You're going to be murdered at any time. | ||
| Go into the forest. | ||
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Buy my food. | |
| And the evidence of this is something that could easily be a coincidence. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| So, one of the things that's a hallmark of this period of time... | ||
| For Alex on his show is that he is obsessed with the idea that neoconservatism has its roots in Strauss. | ||
| Straussian thought. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| He talks about this article that the headline is neoconservatives dance a Straussian waltz. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like he talks about this all the fucking time. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And so this caller calls in. | ||
| He wants to talk about Irving Kristol. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Bill Kristol's dad. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| One of the leading thinkers in the neoconservatism world. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And listen carefully to this clip, because I think that this clip clearly reveals two people who don't know anything about what they're talking about, but don't want to let the other one know. | ||
| They do realize... | ||
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Okay, here we go. | |
| The founding... | ||
| Well, one of the most prolific neoconservative writers was Irving Kristol. | ||
| Yeah, the father of, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, right. | ||
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And when you alluded to Strauss, you were not alluding to Leo Strauss, correct? | |
| No. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Do you know anything about Leo Strauss? | ||
| He's dead now. | ||
| I am familiar, but not enough to really make any comments. | ||
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All right, well, I'll tell you this. | |
| If you want a really fun intellectual exercise for the weekend, Do what you can to find information on the Straussian School of Political Theory. | ||
| Because this stuff that you're talking about... | ||
| Is that University of Chicago? | ||
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Strauss... | |
| Strauss is not with the University of Chicago. | ||
| He's not with the Chicago School of Economics or anything like that. | ||
| Listen, I gotta go. | ||
| I gotta let you go, man. | ||
| I got a bunch of callers here. | ||
| Thanks for the call. | ||
| That is a damning conversation. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| So Irvin Crystal, father of Bill Crystal, is one of the big figures in neoconservatism. | ||
| He's also someone who had Straussian leanings earlier in his life. | ||
| When people talk about Strauss, they are 100% across the board talking about Leo Strauss. | ||
| So Alex saying he's not. | ||
| Is ridiculous. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That is a clear indication that he knows the word Straussian, but he doesn't know what he's talking about. | ||
| I assume Alex thinks that neocons play the violin really well. | ||
| I'm guessing that's it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Also, Strauss did teach at the University of Chicago, and he's very much associated with that school, so this caller is off base in what he's even talking about. | ||
| The confusion, I think, is based on the fact that there's also an economic philosophy called the Chicago School of Economics, based on the work of people like Milton Friedman. | ||
| This is a term that is used mostly to describe economics professors at the University of Chicago, which isn't necessarily related to the scholarship of Leo Strauss, who taught political science at the same university. | ||
| Because this caller and Alex don't really know what they're talking about, it's impossible for them to disambiguate these terms, so they're basically just talking at each other, and it's really strange. | ||
| The really telling, damning things are the caller saying, you're not talking about Leo Strauss, and Alex says, no, he is. | ||
| The fact that he doesn't know that is a problem. | ||
| That's a huge problem. | ||
| And then when the caller says, do you know anything about Leo Strauss? | ||
| Not enough to comment. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Which means no. | ||
| No. | ||
| Absolutely not. | ||
| Because he comments on so much shit he knows nothing about. | ||
| Everything I comment on I know nothing about. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So it really is a fascinating glimpse into how poorly he grasps the basis of this subject. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| His big conspiracy about the neoconservatives is that they're all secretly Democrats and liberals based on this Straussian ideology that's behind it. | ||
| He doesn't even understand any of that shit. | ||
| His basis for attacking neoconservatives is nothing. | ||
| He has a house built on sand, essentially, when he's trying to talk about this. | ||
| I'm always interested when Alex instinctively knows he's in weird territory for him. | ||
| You know, like, more than willing to talk shit for forever. | ||
| But if he gets something where he's like, I know I'm supposed to know this. | ||
| And I know I don't. | ||
| So I'm going to try and let you, I'm going to try and tease out what it is I'm supposed to know from you, and then I can parrot it back to you so you think I know what I was talking about from the beginning. | ||
| Or I can let you talk for a while, I'll find something inaccurate that you say, I'll latch onto that, invalidate your point, change the conversation. | ||
| And then move on, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I think that there is also a dynamic that's at play here that is unique to whenever he's on the phone with somebody. | ||
| I think that he has a pretty good radar in terms of like if someone's going to be a problem. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Like if they have information that could be a problem. | |
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And that is what you see there. | ||
| Right. | ||
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That's why the call ends abruptly. | |
| Right, right, right. | ||
| That's why I was like, uh-oh, if this caller talks more, it'll reveal the depth to which I don't know any of this stuff. | ||
| And, yeah, that's... | ||
| It's good instinct on his part. | ||
| It is! | ||
| It covers up his ignorance quite well. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| Alex just being like, I know some things but not enough to talk about it could not be more of a tell. | ||
| It could not mean anything more than I have no fucking clue. | ||
| So, that article that Alex was talking about from the Washington Post about banning the Bible, apparently that was really just an article about Mel Gibson and the Passion of the Christ being dicey. | ||
| Sure, but they're going to ban the Bible next. | ||
| If you don't like that movie, you have to ban the Bible. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And Alex's defense of that is an article that he read in the BBC from a year before. | ||
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Okay. | |
| And I remember the BBC article, British Broadcasting, last year. | ||
| Mr. Biggles in Old Testament could be banned was the headline. | ||
| Mr. Biggles is a World War I comic book character who shoots down German aces and says, I don't like Germans. | ||
| And they're discussing banning that. | ||
| It's xenophobic. | ||
| And they say the Old Testament has comments by Jews about destroying other tribes under orders from God. | ||
| So there was an anti-racism framework that was being discussed by the EU in 2002. | ||
| And there's one guy named Lord Scott opined that the framework would outlaw the Old Testament as well as the very... | ||
| What I'm going to call of its time series of adventure novels. | ||
| That's a good way of putting it. | ||
| Biggles. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
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There's a lot of stuff that Doug didn't age well. | |
| Whoa, whoa, whoa. | ||
| Somebody says there's something wrong with Tintin. | ||
| I have no idea what they're talking about. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| It's fun to just say that he didn't like Germans. | ||
| Yeah, he wasn't a big fan of the crowd. | ||
| Outstand! | ||
| Yeah, that's the problem. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Also, you might note that it's 2021 and all this stuff is still very much legal. | ||
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Yeah, it does seem that way. | |
| None of this stuff happened. | ||
| I mean, it would be interesting if somebody was like, hey, all right, we don't want any books in schools that promote genocide. | ||
| And then you're like, okay, well, I don't know, Canaan. | ||
| And they're like, well, I mean, the Bible's fine, of course. | ||
| Come on, man. | ||
| What are you talking about? | ||
| Grandfathered in. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| It's all good. | ||
| So you may notice that the ADL is complaining about Mel Gibson and the Passion of the Christ, and all this is going to lead to, obviously, the outlaw of Christianity. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And so, therefore... | ||
| The ADL is coming after the Bible. | ||
| That is a very sharp, slippery slope. | ||
| This is it. | ||
| You know, you think it's the ADL just going after the Klan and people? | ||
| No. | ||
| Going after the Bible. | ||
| Which was written, by the way, by Jews. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| Most of it. | ||
| Got them. | ||
| So, I don't know. | ||
| That's just... | ||
| This is the craziness. | ||
| You heard from the EU government they're going to ban TV shows, plays, movies where women or men are shown in stereotypical roles. | ||
| That's women in dresses, anything like that. | ||
| It's a hate crime now, not just in the workplace, but on the streets. | ||
| So it's total control by the politically correct, and Bush is cyberpunk. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| So yeah, apparently women can't wear dresses in TV shows and plays and stuff. | ||
| Now it's a hate crime. | ||
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Man, this is real stuff. | |
| This is why they're so good at obstructing progress, because they don't even give a fuck if it's actually progress. | ||
| If it's even, like, a fake imaginary thing that someone might do, the cacophony of howling screams, of whining, is so loud that you can't even be like, I mean, who gives a shit about the fuck? | ||
| Well, it's like, you know, a lot of the petty grievances and nonsense that Alex brings up, it does remind me of The Phantom Tollbooth. | ||
| Remember that book? | ||
| The Terrible Trivium? | ||
| The guy who made Milo move a pile of sand one grain at a time? | ||
| That's basically what Alex does a lot of the time. | ||
| Each grain of sand that you have to move over is a distraction that's not really... | ||
| Based in any reality. | ||
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Right. | |
| But somehow you're expected to clear it up. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And it's just to slow you down so you can't free rhyme and reason. | ||
| Oh, if you want gun control, you're going to have to start with proving to me that guns even exist. | ||
|
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Uh-huh. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| And that means that Steve Pechenik is the spelling bee. | ||
| All right. | ||
| InfoWars' Phantom Tollbooth. | ||
| Go. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Joel Skousen is the horrible Din. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Who is the conductor who would make the sunrise come up? | ||
| Do you remember his name? | ||
| The moment you ask me for a name is the moment the name has gone forever. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| If I could have been like, oh, you know, like the conductor five seconds ago. | ||
| Then you ask me the name and I'll never remember. | ||
| Alex is Milo. | ||
| Roger Stone is talk. | ||
| The dog. | ||
| Who's accompanying Alex. | ||
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Sure, sure, sure. | |
| Maybe Steve Pachanek is talk. | ||
| Because he's been on InfoWars for so much longer. | ||
| Longer in the path. | ||
| I'd say the Trump years. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| The current day of the COVID stuff is the doldrums. | ||
| No, you are in the doldrums. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| They're having a fantastic time. | ||
| I think Alex is bored by it, too. | ||
| That's probably true. | ||
| Who was the conductor? | ||
| This is going to bother me. | ||
| What other characters were there? | ||
| There's the spelling bee. | ||
| I'm regretting this strongly. | ||
| Who was the officer? | ||
| I short-circuited you. | ||
| Who was the cop? | ||
| Who cares? | ||
| We gotta go! | ||
| Anyway, there's no more clips. | ||
| Oh! | ||
| We've come to the end of this. | ||
| Oh, no wonder you were so willing to go on the Phantom Tollbooth riff for a long time. | ||
| I'd also just like to talk about the Phantom Tollbooth. | ||
| Yeah, well, that sounds about right. | ||
| The rest of the episode is just Alex doing his news blitz at the end of the show, which is just him reading the same headlines he's already talked about. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| The recap. | ||
| Yeah, it's quite boring. | ||
| So yeah, I think that also, let's not just leave unsaid that that's a bit anti-Semitic. | ||
| The idea that the ADL is going after the Yeah, yeah. | ||
| How could they? | ||
| How could the ADL go after a book that was written by the ADL? | ||
| I mean, not all Jews are exactly the same, but that's what I'm saying. | ||
| Yeah, and it's the conception of this. | ||
| They're pretending that they're an advocacy organization, anti-defamation league, but what they're really about is crushing Christianity. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And that has some narrative roots in archaic tropes of anti-Semitism. | ||
| So, I mean, we get to the end of this, and, you know, there's not, like, a ton of stuff that happens. | ||
| There's some interesting things. | ||
| Certainly, trends that are important to point out. | ||
| Things like the way Alex covers that Houston Crime Lab story is a disservice to the reality of the story. | ||
| And, you know, it's important to understand the ways that Alex is actually actively doing... | ||
| The opposite of helping. | ||
| In cases like that. | ||
| In terms of the news. | ||
| He gives people a worse idea of what's going on than if they knew nothing. | ||
| And that sucks. | ||
| Leaving them in a more manipulatable position. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| But more importantly, perhaps... | ||
| Harry Potter is still going on. | ||
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True. | |
| Alex is still mad about that. | ||
| Still mad about Harry. | ||
| And we found the new thing to be tracing in 2003, which is the Arnold Schwarzenegger gubernatorial run, which I promise you I'll come up with a pun with eventually. | ||
| I would really like specifics. | ||
| If Harry Potter is leading you to become a witch, what in Harry Potter is real and what's not? | ||
| Are giants real? | ||
| Are centaurs real? | ||
| What are we talking about? | ||
| We do know that Alex does believe the giants are real because Steve Quayle has told him about it. | ||
| That is true. | ||
| He's written a couple books on it. | ||
| So giants are good. | ||
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What else? | |
| Dobby? | ||
| Pixies? | ||
| Are Pixies real? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| House elves? | ||
| House elves are real? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, boy, now we're getting into all the anti-Semitic ones. | ||
| Uh-oh. | ||
| So, Jordan. | ||
| Yes, Dan. | ||
| We will be back. | ||
| But until then, we have a website. | ||
| We do. | ||
| It's knowledgefight.com. | ||
| Yes, we're also on Twitter. | ||
| We are on Twitter. | ||
| It's at knowledge underscore fight and at go to bed Jordan. | ||
| Yep, we'll be back on Monday with a little bit of a look at the old Tucker nonsense. | ||
| But until then, I'm Neo. | ||
| I'm Leo. | ||
| I'm DZXClark. | ||
| I'm Daryl Rundis. | ||
| You're a traitor, Dan. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
|
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
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I'm a huge fan. | |
| I love your work. |