#611: October 29, 2021
Today, Dan and Jordan try to talk about a present day episode, but end up deciding to celebrate Halloween by dipping back to 2002 to discuss a spooky interview Alex did with a guy who is very afraid of witches. Citations
Today, Dan and Jordan try to talk about a present day episode, but end up deciding to celebrate Halloween by dipping back to 2002 to discuss a spooky interview Alex did with a guy who is very afraid of witches. Citations
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I have great respect for knowledge fight. | |
Knowledge fight. | ||
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys. | ||
Knowledge fight. | ||
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Dan and Jordan. | |
Knowledge fight. | ||
I need, I need money. | ||
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Andy in Kansas. | |
Stop it. | ||
Andy in Kansas. | ||
It's time to pray. | ||
Andy in Kansas. | ||
You're on the air. | ||
Thanks for holding. | ||
Hello, Alex. | ||
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I'm the first time caller. | |
I love you. | ||
Hey, everybody! | ||
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
I'm Dan. | ||
Jordan! | ||
We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
Oh, indeed we are, Dan. | ||
Jordan. | ||
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Dan! | |
Jordan! | ||
I have a quick question for you. | ||
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Yes. | |
What's your bright spot today? | ||
My bright spot today, Jordan, is it's the spookiest of all days. | ||
We're recording this on Halloween. | ||
You can't hear this because you can't see it because we're recording this. | ||
It's an audio thing, but I'm in full costume. | ||
Oh, yeah, yeah. | ||
I've dressed as a druid during Samhain. | ||
I went all the way back to the beginning. | ||
Yeah, I'm Frankenstein's monster. | ||
We're just sitting here. | ||
We're just going for it. | ||
And it's like, we got together to record this podcast. | ||
No one around. | ||
Foolish. | ||
A lot of wasted effort, but it feels good. | ||
You know, it's funny. | ||
It was a little bit like a Gift of the Magi thing. | ||
I told you not to wear a costume, and you told me not to wear a costume, and then we both showed up in costumes. | ||
What a silly thing. | ||
I like Halloween as much as I like any other holiday. | ||
I don't like scary things, but I've always had a real... | ||
The audience is not going to be surprised to hear this. | ||
A soft spot for candy. | ||
And it's a candy-based holiday. | ||
I'm thrilled for that. | ||
That's true. | ||
I'm excited for tomorrow, the candy to be on sale. | ||
Right. | ||
And unlike the other candy holiday, Valentine's Day, you don't have to enjoy anyone else's company. | ||
Sure. | ||
There's no expectation. | ||
If you want to just turn off your porch light, you don't have to worry about... | ||
You don't have to say anything to anyone. | ||
You don't have a responsibility to give these kids candy. | ||
You can just keep it all to yourself. | ||
When I was growing up, my parents thought Halloween was evil, so we would legit shut off... | ||
All of our lights and go into a back room so no one could stop by and trick-or-treat. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Yeah. | ||
I know that this is well-trod territory and probably even a little bit hacky, but I really hated the guy down the street who would, like, act like a corpse on his porch. | ||
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
And then, ah! | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
Fuck that guy. | ||
Yeah, what's your problem? | ||
Yeah, I remember the exact, like, path to that guy's house from my house. | ||
And I'm like, nah. | ||
What do you get out of this? | ||
I guess he gets the knowledge that he has scarred hundreds of children, literally, to the point where they remember the pathway to his home. | ||
At age 37. Still like, I gotta avoid that fucking house. | ||
Fuck that guy. | ||
So how about you? | ||
What's your bright spot? | ||
My bright spot, Dan, is I recently got the new James Blake album. | ||
It came out... | ||
A few weeks ago? | ||
Sure. | ||
Fantastic. | ||
Great! | ||
It might be his best album. | ||
I don't know anything about James Blake. | ||
I thought you were going to say James Bond. | ||
No, James Blake, he's a British dude who does what you would call almost a rhythm and dub. | ||
You know, like, imagine a pure-toned, breathy voice. | ||
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Sure. | |
Over really slowed down dub music. | ||
Okay. | ||
It's very strange. | ||
I'm hearing words. | ||
It is really good. | ||
It's really good. | ||
It's difficult to describe, but it's really good. | ||
It sounds interesting, but a lot of the words you're using to describe it, I also would need you to define them. | ||
Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
Let me put it this way. | ||
Have you ever heard Send It On by D 'Angelo? | ||
Sure. | ||
Oh, my God. | ||
It's one of the greatest songs ever made. | ||
Of course. | ||
Okay, fine. | ||
Then never mind! | ||
All right. | ||
Just listen to the song. | ||
Fine. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Jordan, today we are checking in on October 29th, 2021. | ||
Line check. | ||
It is, you know, it's Friday's episode from last week. | ||
Sure. | ||
We're in the present. | ||
We thought, hey, let's look into it. | ||
It's kind of like me got my arm behind my back here twisting my arm because I want to have a spooktacular. | ||
We're going to have a Halloween spooktacular. | ||
But here we are in the present day. | ||
We'll just have to live with it. | ||
But first, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks out there. | ||
Oh, that's a great idea. | ||
So first, Dan and Jordan never mentioned my mailbag gift of green Russian soda. | ||
I hope it was still enjoyed. | ||
I think it was. | ||
I seem to recall. | ||
Sorry about that. | ||
Yeah, sorry. | ||
I'm a policy wonk. | ||
Thank you, though. | ||
You're a policy wonk. | ||
Next, Bill from Toronto. | ||
Got a nice message from Bill from Toronto. | ||
It turns out he heard about the show from a neighbor, which that's community. | ||
That is community. | ||
That's what we're talking about. | ||
I've never considered that a neighbor might give me any recommendations for anything. | ||
Especially a weirdo podcast. | ||
Yeah, exactly. | ||
So thank you to Bill in Toronto and, honorarily, your neighbor. | ||
You're both policy wonks. | ||
I'm a policy wonk. | ||
Thank you! | ||
I've been working on the railroad. | ||
Thank you so much. | ||
You're now a policy wonk. | ||
I'm a policy wonk. | ||
Also, this one's going to be tough for me to... | ||
That took a lot to resist. | ||
All the live long day? | ||
It took a lot for me not to follow up with it. | ||
Remarkable restraint. | ||
I know. | ||
So I think... | ||
I'm going to probably butcher this pronunciation, but I'm going to try. | ||
Next, make-a-nificent. | ||
It's a maleficent kind of thing, but with a make... | ||
Mac-a-nificent? | ||
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Something like that. | |
Make-a-nificent? | ||
Make-a-nificent? | ||
You're not a policy wonk. | ||
I'm a policy wonk. | ||
Thank you very much! | ||
Thank you. | ||
And we got two technocrats out there in the mix to shout out. | ||
So first, Lizzie Bones. | ||
Thank you so much. | ||
You are now a technocrat. | ||
And Tim, happy belated birthday. | ||
Trevin Clay, thank you so much. | ||
You are now a technocrat. | ||
I'm a policy wonk. | ||
Crikey, mate. | ||
That's fantastic. | ||
Have yourself a brew. | ||
How's your 401k doing, bro? | ||
All right, we got to go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, all right? | ||
Let's just get down to business. | ||
We ain't making that money off that heroin. | ||
Why are you pimp so good? | ||
My neck is freakishly large. | ||
I declare Infowar on you. | ||
Thank you so much! | ||
Yes, thank you very much! | ||
I also like how Tim snuck in that birthday shout-out by pretending it was a nickname. | ||
Sneaky. | ||
There's always a loophole. | ||
Anytime we try and close one door, they open a window. | ||
Yeah, I mean, I was really committed to the whole thing of no more birthday shout-outs, but it turns out... | ||
You're a traitor, Dan! | ||
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Oh, God, no. | |
Oh, God, no. | ||
This is the end. | ||
This is the end for us. | ||
I like to look across the table and see a miserable through it. | ||
All right, so here we go. | ||
We're going to start at the beginning of the episode, and Alex has some COVID-related news. | ||
Heart attack-related COVID news. | ||
So let me just show you this little stack, and we'll go into this more. | ||
This is just today. | ||
From all over local newspapers around the country, doctors remember. | ||
They're telling you to remember. | ||
Nobody now suddenly is too young for a heart attack. | ||
They say suddenly above 12-year-olds have all been having heart attacks all over the Western world. | ||
And they say we don't know why in NPR stories and ABC stories and these others just say it's just a new thing. | ||
Just get used to it. | ||
Oh, and strokes and blood clots in the lungs. | ||
But no one knows what it is. | ||
So this is a headline that Alex is reading from the Times of India, not from local papers all over the United States. | ||
That is unsurprising. | ||
And he's entirely misrepresenting the point of the article. | ||
Alex wants this to be something related to COVID vaccine side effects, but that's not what the article is actually even about at all. | ||
This is more or less an op-ed about the fact that while we often think of heart attacks as something that only affects older people, younger folks do experience heart attacks and heart conditions too, just at a lower rate. | ||
And the general reasons cited in this article have nothing to do with vaccines. | ||
Quote, while conventionally vices were blamed for heart disease, youth in their 20s and 30s today face the risk of developing heart disease due to their sedentary lifestyle, stress, and diet. | ||
I would have added pollution, but I'm going to guess the Times of India doesn't want to add that one on there. | ||
You could throw that in if you like. | ||
Yeah, maybe. | ||
If you read the article, this discussion is not about a phenomenon we're just seeing since COVID. | ||
Quote, In the last seven and a half years, Goa Medical College has treated about 7,400 heart patients. | ||
Of these, 4.1% were less than 40 years of age and 21% under 50. This article even discusses this as an issue that's particularly more severe in the Goa area in India because, quote, a high incidence of diabetes among the Goan population could be one of the reasons why more people in their youth are detected with a heart condition. | ||
Sure. | ||
The reality is just that even before COVID vaccines were a thing that we knew would exist, or even COVID was a thing we knew would exist, the rates of heart attacks in young people were on the rise. | ||
Quote, Although Americans are suffering fewer heart attacks as a whole, the rate of heart attacks for people under 40 is increasing. | ||
That was from a Cleveland Clinic article published on April 26, 2019. | ||
The article discusses many of the same variables as that Times of India article. | ||
Sedentary lifestyles, compounded issues from diabetes, and increases in general stress among the population. | ||
This is just a subject that the medical community has been discussing and paying attention to for years. | ||
Alex is just taking headlines that reflect a long-standing concern and lying about them to use them as a weapon in his anti-vax propaganda. | ||
All of a sudden, people have been studying this thing for the past several, five, seven, ten years and have started saying things like pay attention to it and, uh, I mean, it's COVID, obviously. | ||
It's obviously COVID. | ||
It predates COVID, but yeah. | ||
Well, I mean, they're ten years behind. | ||
Sure. | ||
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Yeah. | |
Great. | ||
Yeah. | ||
So anyway, Alex has more on this headline, and then he digs even deeper into a sad hole. | ||
Oh, get there. | ||
Sad reported hole. | ||
Get into that hole. | ||
And I've got the articles here and the screenshots from around the world. | ||
But when I see a screenshot, I just don't believe it. | ||
I went and followed it through on all these, and these are indeed everywhere. | ||
In fact, a friend of mine sent me a text from Dallas, and it's on the side of the buses there. | ||
But here it is. | ||
Doctors remember, now nobody's too young for a heart attack. | ||
Wow! | ||
It's a new and improved, wonderful thing. | ||
And what do they report all over the Western world? | ||
Massive increases in heart attacks and blood clots in the young. | ||
Oh! | ||
Spotted in Whitby on Durham Transit. | ||
Are they normalizing this? | ||
So Alex there at the end, he's reporting on a meme that one of his employees saw on Twitter. | ||
This is a picture of a bus with a decal on the side saying, quote, kids have strokes too, know the warning signs. | ||
This has a caption that Alex was reading that was added to the image that says, quote, spotted in Whitby on Durham Transit. | ||
Are they normalizing on what's to come? | ||
So the argument is that like more kids are going to have strokes. | ||
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Right. | |
And they're trying to make that normal. | ||
Right. | ||
So if I understand correctly. | ||
Somebody. | ||
Probably in Whitby. | ||
Or nearby. | ||
Right. | ||
A globalist in Whitby. | ||
Took a picture of a completely innocuous. | ||
Just, hey, health is important. | ||
Sure. | ||
And then turned it into a right-wing meme to disparage the COVID vaccine and tell everybody they're going to die. | ||
And to sort of demonstrate or allow people like Alex to demonstrate that they're telling you that kids have strokes in order to make you not worried when kids do have strokes. | ||
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Right. | |
Yeah, they can just turn anything into bullshit, can't they? | ||
And this is bullshit for a couple of reasons. | ||
The first is that this picture that's used in the meme is undated. | ||
So honestly, who's to say if it's even a recent image? | ||
Could have been a decal that was run for a public health campaign in 20... | ||
No, I couldn't have. | ||
The second reason is that that decal includes a link to people who paid for the ad. | ||
It's an organization called Achieving Beyond Brain Injury. | ||
This group was started by two mothers who met because their sons had strokes early in life, which prompted them to create an advocacy and awareness group to help other parents who were in the situation that they were in and help parents know the warning signs, as the bus to Cal said. | ||
Rebecca DeMano's son was 14 when he had a stroke on April 12, 2018. | ||
Nadine Vermillion's son was 10 when he had a stroke on February 28, 2015. | ||
Along with raising awareness and trying to help families with children affected by strokes, the organization is really about the bigger picture of youths who have suffered brain-related injuries. | ||
For instance, many of their scholarship recipients this year had trauma-related brain injuries, like Eric, who was hit by a bus. | ||
Strokes in young people, it's not a new phenomenon, and the work these mothers are trying to do with achieving beyond brain injury is really admirable stuff, because... | ||
There's a very important variable that's brought up in this 2015 article in the journal Vascular Health and Risk Management. | ||
Quote, strokes in young adults are reported as being uncommon, comprising 10-15% of all stroke patients. | ||
However, compared with strokes in older adults, stroke in the young has disproportionately large economic impact by leaving victims disabled before their most productive years. | ||
So anyway, this organization dedicated to helping make sure that children who suffered brain injuries don't get left behind, they put an ad on a bus in Canada, and somebody took a picture of it, which is now being used as anti-COVID vaccination. | ||
Yeah, you know, sometimes when they're inventive towards their bullshitting, It can be kind of fun or interesting. | ||
In this situation, this is just fucking sad. | ||
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Yeah. | |
This is sad all across the board. | ||
Everybody doing things is sad. | ||
The exploitation is sad. | ||
It's lazy. | ||
Everything is bad. | ||
Yeah, this is awful. | ||
Yeah, and the group that's actually behind this billboard is, from all indications that I can find, doing really important work. | ||
Oh, of course. | ||
And the only end result of this is maybe targeting... | ||
Oh, hey, look at this guy, though. | ||
Everything's okay. | ||
This is the Times of India. | ||
Biggest publication and the second most populous country in the world. | ||
Pune Rajkumar, very popular A-list movie star over there in Bollywood. | ||
He got his first dose of the COVID-19 vaccine, and then he got his second one recently. | ||
And hey, he's doing fine, folks. | ||
Oh, no, he died of a heart attack at 46 years old yesterday. | ||
Oh, but hey, too many people, right? | ||
What? | ||
Weird. | ||
That's a really... | ||
Odd way to end that. | ||
It is. | ||
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Yeah. | |
So the passing of Puneet Rajkumar is a sad bit of news. | ||
He's a very popular actor and only 46 when he died from a heart attack. | ||
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Sure. | |
However, Alex is lying and making shit up in order to use this dead man's memory as a prop for his anti-vex propaganda. | ||
You see, Puneet Rajkumar was a huge star, so it struck me as a little weird to imagine that he was just now getting the vaccine. | ||
He's also a really public face for healthy living, so this didn't sit right with me at all. | ||
If you look into this for even a second, you'll find that he got his first dose of the vaccine on April 7th, 2021. | ||
I know this because he tweeted a picture of himself getting vaccinated. | ||
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Hmm. | |
Yeah, but you can't believe screenshots like that. | ||
Was there a date on there? | ||
Well, I mean, it had to have been prior to April 7th, 2020. | ||
He can't time travel. | ||
All right. | ||
Well, now we're talking. | ||
Yeah. | ||
So... | ||
I also know that by June, Paneeth was helping the Indian government by appearing in PSAs about the importance of public health measures, including getting vaccinated. | ||
I guess I can't definitively prove when he got his second dose, but Alex is presenting no evidence, and he's expecting me to believe that one of the highest-paid actors in India got the first shot in April, then worked as a vaccination awareness ambassador, and somehow didn't get the second dose until late October? | ||
You get busy! | ||
Shit doesn't fly. | ||
You get busy, Dan! | ||
It's life! | ||
Right. | ||
Also a small point, but not every movie made in India is a Bollywood movie. | ||
Bollywood tends to refer to the movie industry in Mumbai, which was formerly known as Bombay, Bombay. | ||
Bombay, Hollywood makes Bollywood. | ||
Pruneet Rajkumar was from the south of India, and he was more associated with the Kanata movie scene, and he was insane. | ||
Oh, oh, also, the other thing that he was known for was being the son of the insanely famous actor Dr. Rajkumar. | ||
He was an actor, but he went by a doctor. | ||
And incidentally, he died of a heart attack, which illustrates a family history and factor for Pruneet to have... | ||
You know, higher incidence or higher likelihood of having a heart attack. | ||
Seems like there are many, many, many explanations and zero of them are the vaccine. | ||
Right. | ||
Alex is a monster. | ||
He's just willing to make shit up about people who die as long as the story of their death is something he can profit off of. | ||
It's a real piece of shit. | ||
Real piece of shit. | ||
Yeah, man, this is harsh. | ||
Yeah. | ||
This is harsh out the gate. | ||
Yeah, and it gets worse. | ||
Jesus! | ||
Oh, hey! | ||
How about that top radio host? | ||
He got the shots. | ||
He's dead of a heart attack too, but... | ||
That's just yesterday, too. | ||
But, hey, no big deal. | ||
Radio legend dies suddenly. | ||
I've reached his second shot. | ||
And it goes on. | ||
But, hey, let's not listen to that. | ||
That's all just anecdotal. | ||
It's not even anecdotal, it's just not true. | ||
So Alex is lying about another beloved celebrity's death in order to make this shitty argument better. | ||
In this case, it's Australian broadcaster Russell Wolfe, who died in his sleep on October 26th. | ||
At this point, I don't believe that the exact cause of death is public or known, so I can't really speak to that. | ||
Anti-vax protesters have used Wolfe's death as an argument against the vaccine, but Alex is also just making shit up. | ||
Wolf himself tweeted that he got the second dose of the AstraZeneca vaccine on August 19th, over two months prior to his passing. | ||
There's no evidence at all to suggest that his death and the vaccination are related in any way. | ||
This is just disgusting stuff. | ||
I'm listening to this episode and I'm like, I want to kick the episode. | ||
Yeah, man, that's... | ||
How do you do that? | ||
I don't know. | ||
You know, sometimes it's like you intellectually, I know he's a narcissistic psychopath who has no care for other lives. | ||
You know, it's just him. | ||
It's just him, right? | ||
But I can't emotionally get into a place where I'm like, you know what I'll do? | ||
I'll lie about this person's death to kill more people. | ||
Yeah, like how would Alex feel if someone lied about one of his loved ones' death or something like that in order to advance some kind of spurious argument? | ||
It's just repulsive behavior. | ||
And you know what? | ||
I was experiencing this and I'm like, alright. | ||
The time window to have a spooktacular is pretty short. | ||
It's not long. | ||
Yeah. | ||
I mean, like, even this episode is coming out in November. | ||
It's coming out the day after the spooktacular has already ended. | ||
Now, I might be able to release this episode a little bit earlier, so some people can listen to it on a Halloween evening. | ||
Trying to grab a little bit of that nighttime Halloween magic. | ||
Right. | ||
Maybe some people, you know, we have an audience that's adults. | ||
Maybe some people who don't have kids, they might want to enjoy a Halloween episode. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
So here's where I would... | ||
Put on the Monster Mash. | ||
Don't do that. | ||
And our episodes simultaneously, they sync up. | ||
It's Pink Floyd all over again. | ||
You gotta listen to the monster fuck. | ||
This is the point where if I was a professional, I would add a lightning sound effect and then... | ||
So I was creeping around on Alex's website. | ||
I was going through old screenshots on the Wayback Machine and the archives. | ||
And I found an interview that is long buried. | ||
I'd never seen this before. | ||
This page is almost unaccessible. | ||
It's very difficult to find. | ||
This is an interview with a guy named David Benoit. | ||
Here's the title of the interview. | ||
Author of 14 Things Witches Hope Parents Never Find Out About the Occult and the Real Meaning of Halloween, Bringing America to Its Knees. | ||
Well, Dan, we've got a winner. | ||
Yes, we do. | ||
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So, fuck Alex Jones on the 29th. | |
Holy shit! | ||
Thank God, you were really getting me scared. | ||
I know. | ||
It was a spooktacular for me. | ||
Yeah. | ||
So, we're going to go back to Halloween 2002. | ||
Ooh, that's the shit. | ||
October 30th, 2002. | ||
We have Alex Jones having an interview with a guy who's written a book about the 14 things witches don't want you to know. | ||
I want to know. | ||
Exactly what each 14 are. | ||
Can I actually disabuse you of that notion? | ||
Damn it! | ||
You will not find out what these 14 are. | ||
Will I find out any of them? | ||
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Um... | |
No! | ||
Come on! | ||
I mean, keep notes. | ||
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Okay. | |
Maybe. | ||
You might find some things. | ||
Alright, okay. | ||
So here's where Alex begins the proceedings. | ||
It's real radio, folks, going wherever the truth leads us, exposing the globalists and all of their criminal activities. | ||
And every time I follow one of their rat holes, I find the occult. | ||
Whether it's Skull and Bones or Bohemian Grove or what we see with the rock and roll music in our society glorifying the devil, it's a real thing. | ||
But now we see Day of the Dead in California, the Aztec holiday of human sacrifice with black altars. | ||
Being worshipped, we hear about these different occult religions exploding. | ||
Meanwhile, being promoted in the public schools, and we're told Christianity is a bad thing, and don't talk about Jesus. | ||
Hawks don't let the New World Order cram you into a box. | ||
Yeah, man. | ||
So I guess you can't evangelize at school. | ||
Or you can. | ||
Yeah. | ||
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I mean, when I was in school, they had the, like... | |
Meet you at the flag thing. | ||
Oh, they did non-stop prayer where I was. | ||
Yeah, there was quite a bit of it. | ||
It's just not, you know, the school isn't supposed to have, like, coordinated, organized religious activities. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Yeah, so I guess it's the New World Order. | ||
Oh, yeah, you know, I was going to say that he shouldn't bring Christianity into it because Christianity seems to be the one trying to terrify people about imaginary witches, whereas witches are just kind of fine. | ||
Yeah, they're just hanging out. | ||
They're just hanging out. | ||
They can't actually do magic, Dan. | ||
We don't know that. | ||
Yes, we do! | ||
Harry Potter is a guidebook. | ||
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Damn it! | |
So, I would probably actually be a little bit uncomfortable doing this episode if we hadn't made some progress in the 2003 stuff, because we know that in 2003 he does believe he's fighting the literal devil. | ||
The literal Christian devil. | ||
He's hiding it a little bit more than he does in the present. | ||
It's more oblique. | ||
Yeah. | ||
And we also know that he... | ||
Fucking thinks that Harry Potter and witches are real. | ||
So, with those pieces of information, we can now do this Halloween interview. | ||
I wish this whole episode was available, but it's just this interview. | ||
Oh, that's disappointing. | ||
Unfortunately. | ||
Because he's already yelling about rock and roll. | ||
I want to see, how does he feel about Geddy Lee? | ||
How does he feel about Rush? | ||
Give me more specifics on who's the devil worshippers. | ||
Well, to be fair, they're prog. | ||
They're less rock and roll. | ||
Yeah, well, that's... | ||
That's true. | ||
Probably thinks that everybody who's into Prague is a weirdo. | ||
That's true. | ||
No demon worshipping. | ||
What do you guys listen to? | ||
They're probably animists because they have a song about the trees. | ||
That's true. | ||
There's unrest in the forest. | ||
There's trouble with the trees. | ||
And all the music videos would prove they worshipped the devil in some way. | ||
Sure. | ||
Limelight. | ||
That was all about the devil. | ||
All about the devil. | ||
But then again, I will choose free will. | ||
Alex loves free will. | ||
Yeah, but so does the devil. | ||
We wouldn't be able to follow the devil if it weren't for free will. | ||
Right. | ||
Good point. | ||
Yeah. | ||
That is a good point, Dan. | ||
I have made it. | ||
So, Alex has this guest, David Benoit. | ||
Okay. | ||
Now, I am joined today by a man who came highly recommended by a local pastor here in Austin, David Benoit. | ||
And we've got a link to his website on Infowars.com. | ||
He has, since the mid-80s, been focusing in on the occult and studying Halloween and the rest of it. | ||
And you can go to the Encyclopedia Britannica and read that it's a human sacrifice day of Samhain in the Germanic and Visigoth and Gaul kingdoms in Western Europe thousands of years ago, right through to modern day, of course, in England. | ||
I don't know if all the traditions of a thousand years ago... | ||
Anyway, I was curious about this cat, David Benoit. | ||
So I decided to look into him. | ||
Let's take a look. | ||
Here's what his bio says. | ||
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Quote, in June of 1984, David was led of the Lord to establish Glory Ministries as an evangelist. | ||
When David began, the emphasis of Glory Ministries was to expose the truth of the damaging effects of rock music on society. | ||
The only solution being regeneration by Jesus Christ. | ||
Man, he was only a few years away from correctly hating rap music. | ||
Right, right. | ||
One of the things that's so fun about that... | ||
Backstory is that it's really specific. | ||
This is June 1984, so we can definitely tell what was on the charts back then. | ||
The music industry is really into themselves, so they leave a lot of evidence. | ||
Yeah, what are we talking about? | ||
We got 84, I'd say. | ||
June 84. I'd say Flock of Seagulls is up there. | ||
Nope. | ||
Top 25. I don't think so. | ||
Okay. | ||
So three songs made it to number one in the charts in that month. | ||
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June 1984. | ||
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You're never going to be able to guess that. | ||
Okay. | ||
Let's hear it for the boy from the Footloose soundtrack. | ||
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Let's hear it for the ball! | |
Okay, fine. | ||
Why did I ever have hope in humanity? | ||
The Footloose soundtrack is number one. | ||
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Let's hear it for the boy. | ||
All right, fine. | ||
Not even Footloose. | ||
Not even Kenny Loggins. | ||
Fine, fine, fine. | ||
Denise Williams. | ||
Not the other song. | ||
One of the other songs that made it number one was Time After Time by Cyndi Lauper. | ||
Oh, well, I mean, yeah. | ||
Can't go wrong. | ||
And The Reflex by Duran Duran. | ||
None of that shit sounds too satanic, so maybe we should look at May. | ||
Because maybe what happened in May caused him to jump off the ledge in June. | ||
Sure, I mean, he's not checking the charts ever. | ||
Every week, you know. | ||
But he probably has a sense of... | ||
He's got a vibe. | ||
Anyway, in May, here are the things that made it to number one. | ||
Lionel Richie was making waves with Hello. | ||
Oh, that was great. | ||
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Hello! | |
Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
Later on used as a hook for one of the best Busta Rhyme songs. | ||
Uh, give me some O. No, Hello. | ||
Oh. | ||
Phil Collins was setting the world on fire, doing three weeks at the top of the charts with Against All Odds. | ||
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Jesus Christ. | |
I'm gonna be honest with you. | ||
I don't like Phil Collins. | ||
I do. | ||
But we can agree to disagree. | ||
We can. | ||
So I decided to look at the entire Hot 100 from the weeks relevant to this possible conversion. | ||
And here are the songs that I think are possible that made David into a devil fever. | ||
Okay. | ||
Sister Christian by Night Ranger. | ||
Okay, I can see Night Ranger doing it. | ||
It's got Christian in the name. | ||
Night Ranger could do it, though. | ||
Yeah. | ||
They've got the skills. | ||
I want to break free by Queen, because Freddie Mercury is gay. | ||
Yeah, but I mean, that's just too good. | ||
Even in the 80s, everybody hated gay people, but they're like, Freddie fucking Mercury, man. | ||
I don't know, I think David's the kind of guy who could be afraid of a lot. | ||
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Sure. | |
And then here's the only other one I could think of, maybe. | ||
And that's The Heart of Rock and Roll by Huey Lewis and the News, and that's because The Heart of Rock and Roll is still beating. | ||
Which implies that it's a zombie. | ||
Right, that's true. | ||
That's true. | ||
And that's of the devil. | ||
If Huey Lewis is the one who's like, we can't, I gotta stop the devil music, then you're too far gone. | ||
You're too far gone. | ||
So as I looked a little bit more into this guy's bio, I found this nugget. | ||
Quote, David has the rare ability to communicate his message to young people as well as to parents using humor and interesting facts. | ||
So... | ||
That might bias me going into this interview that I'm expecting someone with humor and good facts. | ||
He better have humor and good facts. | ||
Someone who I think could connect with the kids. | ||
You know who doesn't ever connect with the kids? | ||
A Christian who says they can connect with the kids with humor and good facts. | ||
And who's scared of the devil rock. | ||
And who's scared of music. | ||
Just say you're scared of all music. | ||
Yeah, why not? | ||
Yeah! | ||
Just gonna put on some Bach? | ||
Oh my god, is that a bassoon? | ||
Run! | ||
I don't do widwins larger than three feet! | ||
Alex is real scared, and he has some stories about Halloween that, I don't know, I'd need a citation. | ||
It's a human sacrifice day of Samhain in the Germanic and Visigoth and Gaul kingdoms in Western Europe thousands of years ago, right through to modern day, of course, in England. | ||
This is what's being celebrated. | ||
It is a night of wickedness. | ||
Children are kidnapped throughout this week, and then their dead bodies are found and put in the back of the newspaper. | ||
In the days after Halloween years later they find their little skeletons in many cases. | ||
This is a serious issue. | ||
So this is running rampant, apparently. | ||
Kids are being kidnapped in the lead-up to Halloween. | ||
Right, right, right. | ||
And then their little skeletons are found, and it's covered up in the back of the newspaper. | ||
It's so sad. | ||
But the idea of little skeletons coming back to life on Halloween is a little cute. | ||
You gotta admit that. | ||
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Jumping up out of the ground, just kind of being like, hey! | ||
Sure. | ||
Yeah. | ||
I think that if this is covered up in the back of the newspaper, Alex should be able to find those articles from the back of the newspaper and put some pieces together to make a specific case. | ||
Can you cover something up if you publish it in your newspaper? | ||
Hidden in plain sight, baby. | ||
Now, I understand why you would say hidden in plain sight, because you think it's in plain sight and people don't pay attention to it, so it must be hidden. | ||
However, it is still there. | ||
It is not hidden whatsoever. | ||
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I just need more information from Alex. | ||
I think this might just be a... | ||
Fear thing. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Yeah. | ||
And I do want to make sure everybody knows there is no shame in pronouncing it Samhain. | ||
Sure. | ||
It's written like that. | ||
I get it. | ||
Fine. | ||
I never heard it out loud until I was like 15 or whatever. | ||
Of course you don't know how it's pronounced. | ||
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Not your fault. | ||
Sure. | ||
Not your fault! | ||
Sure. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Now there is shame. | ||
In giving kids those weird orange or brown wrapped taffy things that are like peanut butter, those are disgusting. | ||
If you're going to give one of those kids, you might as well put a razor blade in there because it's just as garbage. | ||
I would rather almost because I probably wouldn't eat the razor blade and then I'd have a lawsuit. | ||
If I have one of those peanut butter candies, I'm just gonna be mad. | ||
Didn't people think they were putting razor blades in apples for a while? | ||
I think that was kind of, yeah, one of the folklore kind of things. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
The old wives tales, as it were. | ||
How funny is that? | ||
Somebody's like, kids are getting hurt because they're eating apples on Halloween. | ||
Sure. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
Good call. | ||
Yeah, I can't think of a single person that I know who would have gotten an apple, even like a caramel apple or something, and not thrown it away. | ||
The best apple in the world! | ||
Just been like, this is the wrong... | ||
I want a Twix. | ||
If this doesn't have a razor blade in it, I don't care. | ||
So, you might ask, and I think a lot of people ask, what's up with Halloween? | ||
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What's the deal? | |
What is the deal? | ||
Well, Benoit has some thoughts. | ||
Right now, though, we're joined by David Benoit of Glory Ministries. | ||
It's great to have you on the Worldwide Broadcast. | ||
Thank you very much, Alex. | ||
I'm glad to be here, brother. | ||
Absolutely. | ||
Halloween, what is it? | ||
What's it all about? | ||
Well, you know, the basic premise of Halloween is that witches believe that the veil between the natural and the supernatural is that it sent us during that time so they can communicate with the dead. | ||
And I find it quite interesting that it used to be that Halloween, you could tell when Halloween was coming because you'd see horror films and death movies and stuff, but now it's 24 hours a day, seven days a week around our country. | ||
And talking to the dead is not something that's new. | ||
It's something that even Saul practiced, went to the Witch of Endor. | ||
So now we have murder, blood, rape, pillage, 24-7, all over television, being desensitized to this. | ||
And so we hear about all these wicked things happening, and it's okay. | ||
Unless they want our guns, then they'll play the fear up. | ||
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. | ||
Wow! | ||
That was a sharp turn. | ||
Yeah, that was strange. | ||
I got whiplash from that one. | ||
You're mad at the witches about Second Amendment issues. | ||
I think we just got hit with the... | ||
I think I just got T-boned with an idea. | ||
I do think that it's pretty impressive to be able to combine a conversation about how witches can talk to other worlds on Halloween and gun rights. | ||
How in the world, how are we, how is everybody just talking about it like, well, witches believe that it's when the veil between things, and everybody's talked to spirits before. | ||
That's just a regular old thing. | ||
Saul talked to the witch. | ||
None of this is real! | ||
I just had an interesting thought. | ||
If you are somebody who legitimately believes that witches are around and they can do magic, you should know that your gun's not gonna be effective against them. | ||
Like, you should recognize that gun rights are meaningless if you're up against witches. | ||
Um, well, I think... | ||
What if the government got a team of witches? | ||
Like, you're not gonna be able to overthrow the government. | ||
They can do magic. | ||
You're now gonna need to learn magic. | ||
I really think that people don't quite understand what the implications of magic being real are. | ||
Trust me, I do. | ||
I've thought about this. | ||
I have thought about it quite a bit as well. | ||
And it is very silly. | ||
It's very silly. | ||
No. | ||
It's very silly. | ||
I want to know which 14 things witches don't want me to know. | ||
I think they don't want you to know that they're opposed to gun rights? | ||
I imagine that. | ||
I swear to God, I would bet 500 bucks right now that the number one thing is that witches are real. | ||
Yeah, probably. | ||
Yeah, I would bet a million dollars. | ||
I don't know if this guy's book is actually called like the 14 things or whatever. | ||
Yeah. | ||
14 simple rules for dating a witch. | ||
14 habits of highly effective witches? | ||
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I don't know. | ||
And based on his interview, I don't think I would want to read a book by him anyway. | ||
No, I don't. | ||
He seems afraid in this next clip of high school kids. | ||
Well, I thought it could connect to them with you. | ||
This is from San Mateo County Times, and it's Friday, September 27, 2002. | ||
A high school Satanism club. | ||
parents'outrage. | ||
Upon themselves the Satanic Thought Society, co-president of the club, James Doolittle, admits that he originally started the club with a friend, Matt Heaney, to rifle things up a bit. | ||
But now... | ||
That the two juniors have studied the teachings of Anton LaVey, founder of the Satanic Church. | ||
They say that Satanism helps people express themselves. | ||
It's Satanism's purpose to turn man's back into the natural state, not have to be corrupt by religion. | ||
I saw a Post-Gazette article yesterday where it says the Wiccan religion is exploding in the public schools and being promoted. | ||
How does Harry Potter and the deep occult teachings there, how does this feed into this explosion? | ||
Oh no. | ||
We're back on Harry Potter. | ||
I 100% remember this. | ||
I remember people shitting a brick about Wiccans. | ||
Yeah. | ||
How funny was that? | ||
Yeah. | ||
God, and now he's just combining Harry Potter with Wiccans, just being like, hey, if they believe magic, they definitely can't tell the difference between Wiccans and Harry fucking Potter, right? | ||
Yeah, I get nothing against people who are interested in... | ||
Something like Wicca or whatever. | ||
I don't begrudge. | ||
Hey, I love the craft. | ||
I would argue, though, that these kids that this guy Benoit is talking about, who had a Satanism club, they started it just to fuck with people. | ||
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Right. | |
He clearly said that. | ||
Just rifled things up a bit. | ||
Literally said, I wanted to fuck with people. | ||
And then they found that they had some good lessons in there or whatever. | ||
Sure, sure, sure, sure. | ||
I'm gonna guess that that is a dismount from the club. | ||
You know what I mean? | ||
I'm going to guess that these guys are not Satanists after graduation. | ||
Right, right, right. | ||
I would even go so far as to say that if someone in the first quote says, we started this club to fuck with things, and then in the second quote says, we believe all of it now, you might still be getting fucked with, you moron! | ||
It's possible. | ||
And the presentation that Benoit wants to make is that they're saying they believe in all of it, it's all wonderful. | ||
And that's not even what that quote is saying. | ||
No. | ||
They did not say, actually, the devil's real and we love him. | ||
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I am not worried about high schoolers having weird fun clubs. | ||
Slippery slope, Dan. | ||
You let high schoolers have one slippery slope fun club with the devil. | ||
Next thing you know, they're reading critical race theory and it's all over for the rest of us. | ||
I think that if I went to high school with them, I might care. | ||
You think? | ||
Not much. | ||
Yeah. | ||
But it would be something that would be interesting to me. | ||
Oh, yeah. | ||
Outside of that, I don't care at all. | ||
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No, no, no. | |
So I went to Hickman High School in Columbia, and Rockbridge was the other high school. | ||
If there was a Satanism club over at Rockbridge, I wouldn't care. | ||
Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
Not my business. | ||
How many generations of adults freaking out about what isolated children are doing thousands of miles away from them is going to eventually be like, oh, maybe... | ||
This is dumb. | ||
This is a show in Texas where adults are talking about high schoolers in San Mateo, California, a place they probably didn't realize existed. | ||
Perhaps in this situation, those children are more adults than we. | ||
Maybe. | ||
Yeah. | ||
At least these ding-dongs. | ||
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Yep. | |
So anyway, witches are protected by the government. | ||
I don't know if you knew that. | ||
You have to understand that witchcraft is a 501c3 taxism status. | ||
I'm sorry, what now? | ||
It means you cannot discriminate. | ||
You cannot hire or fire a person because of their religious status. | ||
If they say they're a witch and they apply and you say, I'm not going to hire you because you're a witch, that's discrimination, religious discrimination. | ||
But with faith-based initiative, if that goes through, then the Christian churches will have to hire witches. | ||
Oh, absolutely. | ||
Okay. | ||
All right. | ||
Oh, man. | ||
To be a fly on the wall of people whose largest problem is witches. | ||
Getting jobs. | ||
Getting jobs. | ||
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You're not even allowed to fire someone just because they say they're a witch. | ||
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Yeah. | |
I mean, like, you know, the same rules that protect... | ||
People who have religious beliefs or religious identifications, like being a witch, are the exact same rules that protect people who are Christians. | ||
Yeah, it is wild how when a religion gets to put its boot on the neck of other religions, they're like... | ||
Religious protections are terrible! | ||
But when they've got the boot on their neck, they go, we need religious protection! | ||
It's so weird! | ||
And we're not getting it because of the witches. | ||
It's because of the witches! | ||
It's definitely not because of us! | ||
So we get back to Harry Potter, shockingly. | ||
I don't know if this is true, because I don't remember Harry Potter. | ||
I'm sorry if this is true, but it just sounds really dumb. | ||
And see, here's the thing with Harry Potter, is I've got a whole... | ||
A lot of stuff on Harry Potter. | ||
As a matter of fact, I've got a brand new book out entitled Entertaining Spirits Unaware, and I do talk about Harry Potter. | ||
You know, four of his professors are dead. | ||
And as a matter of fact, I show in my presentation how easy it is for a child to go from Harry Potter's website all the way right into real witchcraft. | ||
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Wait, wait, wait, wait. | ||
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Uh, okay. | |
I know that some of them do die. | ||
Like, Dumbledore does die. | ||
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And, like, Snape dies, right? | ||
Uh, no. | ||
Oh, he kills Dumbledore, though, right? | ||
Well, Snape dies in the final book, but he kills Dumbledore, but because Dumbledore told him to, he's actually secretly... | ||
I understand. | ||
It's a whole thing. | ||
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Yeah. | |
Yeah, there's a redemption arc. | ||
The John Cleese ghost, I remember from the first one. | ||
Yeah, yeah, that one was great. | ||
Yeah, he's dead. | ||
Uh, he is... | ||
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Because he's a ghost. | |
Well... | ||
Is he? | ||
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I don't know. | |
We're four out of the five professors dead. | ||
Well, okay, so... | ||
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Because I don't think they were. | |
No, the curse is just that every dark arts professor can only be there for a year. | ||
Right, because Voldemort cursed the... | ||
Yeah, but I mean, so the fuck what? | ||
Wait, wait, wait. | ||
So four out of the five dark arts professors are dead? | ||
Yeah. | ||
Oh. | ||
Yeah, they just die. | ||
Right. | ||
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Yeah, but you can't have five dark arts professors at the same time. | ||
No, you cannot. | ||
Yeah, so actually one is still alive, but will later be dead. | ||
Furthermore, if we're going to start treating this as a problem, that four out of the... | ||
Professors are dead. | ||
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We must also admit that ghosts are available to just about anybody at any time. | ||
Ghosts are in play. | ||
Ghosts are in play, so nobody's really dead. | ||
I do think that it is strange that he's concerned about these characters being dead and Harry being able to talk to the dead because you can easily go from Harry Potter's website to real witchcraft. | ||
Oh yeah, it takes no time. | ||
And then you can talk to the dead. | ||
That's how it works. | ||
I'm frustrated. | ||
I'm frustrated by this. | ||
Why? | ||
Because I feel like... | ||
I'm delighted. | ||
If you couldn't talk to the dead... | ||
That's a no-brainer! | ||
Right. | ||
Christianity's not offering me talking to the dead? | ||
I gotta wait for that shit? | ||
Fuck that! | ||
Give me a couple weeks of a course, I want the Harry Potter website, I want the Wiccan book, and I want to talk to the dead. | ||
You know what the problem with talking to the dead, though? | ||
What's that? | ||
It's a crapshoot. | ||
Like, some of the people you're gonna talk to are really boring. | ||
Yeah, that's true. | ||
Just because you're dead doesn't make you more interesting than you were in life. | ||
Like, you think it's all, like, these philosophers and, like... | ||
Tell us what the 1500s were like. | ||
We worked 18 hours a day and then I died. | ||
I couldn't breathe. | ||
What was the Industrial Revolution like? | ||
Choking to death. | ||
I was a child laborer. | ||
I died at 10 when a machine fell on me. | ||
Thank you for creating our modern world. | ||
Let's talk to the dead. | ||
I'm the kid who discovered maybe we should bring a canary with us into the coal mine. | ||
Actually, I think some of those kids might actually be interesting to talk to. | ||
I'm just saying that some people are dullards, and that's fine. | ||
Didn't read too much when they were live. | ||
So look, if you don't read, particularly Harry Potter, you're good. | ||
Sorry, we're treating Harry Potter as real. | ||
Very much so. | ||
We've got to get into the headspace of somebody who's like, Harry Potter's real. | ||
And at school, if you don't read Harry Potter, you fail. | ||
Oh, no. | ||
I've talked to so many parents who've told me that in their classroom, they cannot eat. | ||
If a child does not read Harry Potter books, they could pluck the prices. | ||
When you walk into Barnes and Nobles, Right at the main entrance of most of the stores, I've seen giant Harry Potter teaching aid kiosks with just hundreds of books piled up there, people grabbing them, snatching them. | ||
It's amazing. | ||
Yeah, sorry that it's a really popular book. | ||
I mean, yeah. | ||
Also, we can solve that Barnes& Noble problem a different way until they're gone. | ||
Jesus Christ. | ||
Yeah, you got what you wanted. | ||
No more displays at Barnes& Noble. | ||
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I don't know if I believe that if you don't read Harry Potter, you flunk. | ||
Because I don't think that any school... | ||
I find it tough to believe that a school would have Harry Potter be a mandatory piece of curriculum. | ||
Do you mean considering the fact that apparently half the parents at any given school believes that Harry Potter's real? | ||
Also, it's casual reading. | ||
It's good for a kid learning to read. | ||
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Plot-driven. | |
But there's so many different... | ||
It's not like this teaches math in a way that would, like, it's a textbook. | ||
I find it difficult to believe that some teacher, if some kid was like, look, I'm not comfortable with reading this, oh, okay, why don't you read this instead? | ||
I can't see that happening. | ||
You know, what's ironic about that is that for so long you do think, oh, this is just light, casual reading, but if you were to put that through a critical appreciation, you'd be like, Oh, she was a TERF all along. | ||
Of course. | ||
I should have just paid attention. | ||
It was not casual reading at all. | ||
And four out of the five TERFs in the book are dead. | ||
Dead! | ||
That's because a gun rights deal. | ||
Yeah, probably. | ||
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So, I don't know. | |
Look, I didn't cut out that much from this interview. | ||
Okay. | ||
But this doesn't make sense, even if you listen to the whole thing. | ||
Okay. | ||
You know, I read a story not long ago about a missionary. | ||
Who led this woman to the Lord, and after leading her to the Lord, then what he did was he, she said, would you please talk to my husband because he needs to be saved. | ||
So every morning he'd sit there and drink a cup of coffee with the man and share the gospel with him. | ||
So he got deathly ill, and they went and did blood work, and the man said, the doctor said to the missionary, he said, are you working with rat poisoning? | ||
He said, no, I'm not. | ||
He said, then someone's rat poisoning you. | ||
And what it was was the man he'd drink coffee with every day. | ||
We just put a little sprinkle of rat poison in his cup. | ||
Not enough to change the taste. | ||
Not enough to cause a man to die right there. | ||
Just little doses. | ||
And I thought, that's exactly what our society is right now. | ||
Little dose after little dose. | ||
First it was Bewitched. | ||
Then Sabrina the Teenage Witch. | ||
Bewitched! | ||
Sabrina the Teenage Witch! | ||
Until now, Puppy the Vampire Slayer and everything else, charmed, and they're all available for our children. | ||
And they... | ||
Well, look, I'm going to be honest. | ||
I mean, I turn on the television at night. | ||
We're talking 9 o 'clock at night, and it's two women conducting oral sex on a man in a hot tub on these date shows. | ||
It's satanic stuff everywhere. | ||
It's military on our streets. | ||
I mean, this country is really turning in to a satanic slash Soviet-style system. | ||
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What? | ||
Like, I get the metaphor that Benoit is... | ||
I mean, that story is obviously... | ||
Death by a thousand cuts. | ||
We can shorten it, but that's fine. | ||
That story is obviously like something you read in a Christian pamphlet or something. | ||
Yes, 100%. | ||
To make you scared of non-believers. | ||
Oh, my God. | ||
But the metaphor is... | ||
He put a razor blade in the apple that the man was trying to eat, Dan. | ||
Little by little, you get poisoned. | ||
And he's saying that Bewitched is a little bit of poison. | ||
Sabrina the Teenage Witch is a little bit of poison. | ||
Yes. | ||
I get that. | ||
I just don't get the jump to... | ||
Military on the streets! | ||
And even the shorter jump, I guess, is people getting sucked off in a hot tub. | ||
Yes. | ||
That's the shortest jump there is. | ||
Alex is mad about dating shows being a little bit over-sexualized. | ||
I don't know. | ||
I guess that is also satanic to Alex, which is strange. | ||
I'm gonna have to go with, if you're telling me, you know, like, it's Bewitched and Sabrina the Teenage Witch, it's all, they're just, it's the, you don't get to participate in culture anymore. | ||
It's not for you. | ||
It's not for you. | ||
Maybe sometimes you just don't get it. | ||
Shouldn't you also be scared of, like, Touched by an Angel? | ||
Everything. | ||
Like, you should be scared of the Christian shows that are about supernatural shit. | ||
I mean, here's the problem. | ||
The Christian shows that are about supernatural shit almost always wind up hand-waving things away with a very similar explanation to it was magic. | ||
Sure. | ||
Yeah. | ||
So, there's a conspiracy afoot. | ||
And that is that the schools want to give kids computers. | ||
Now, some people might think that this is because technology is advancing and computer literacy is something that's pretty important for kids being able to navigate a lot of things. | ||
Well, you know... | ||
One of the objectives of the school system is to make sure that every child has a computer and that every child has access to the Internet. | ||
Well, here's what they want to tell you, Alex, is that if you type into your search engine the word witchcraft, 341,000 sites pop up for these children. | ||
If you type in necromancy, it's talking to the dead, 13,400 sites. | ||
And by the way, you've got John Edwards, who's supposed to talk to the dead. | ||
Yes, Dan. | ||
exposed to it. | ||
Like, for instance, when I was a kid, I was exposed to the idea of telekinesis through the X-Men. | ||
And holy shit, I wanted to do it. | ||
I tried, and I couldn't, and I realized it's a fictional ability, and I was able to enjoy the X-Men in a different way. | ||
You got it completely wrong. | ||
The thing is, the X-Men didn't give you a road map to learning how to do that, unlike Harry Potter, which teaches you how to do magic. | ||
I would argue that Alex and David have not yet made it to the step that I crossed when I tried to do telekinesis. | ||
I would say that they have a delay in this progression of understanding. | ||
How old were you? | ||
When did X-Men first came out? | ||
2003? | ||
Yeah. | ||
It was about last week. | ||
It was about last week. | ||
I think this is really stupid. | ||
This is bad. | ||
I think that you have to believe that kids can be turned into magic witches in order to be worried about this. | ||
Yes, they can. | ||
Anyway, Alex, he's a guy who needs a respite. | ||
You know, like, all this... | ||
Well, the military's on the streets, there's Soviet-style propaganda everywhere. | ||
People getting blowies in a hot tub. | ||
Blowies in a hot tub and witches walking everywhere. | ||
Everywhere. | ||
Government has them! | ||
This is a guy who needs a break. | ||
He needs a place that he can be safe. | ||
Okay. | ||
And then they also have another program on WGN, Beyond, and these people are supposed to communicate with the dead. | ||
Look, I can't even sit down with my wife now and watch. | ||
A national dog show, because I like dog shows. | ||
I like dogs. | ||
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Yeah. | |
And they'll go, we're calling in the Pet Psychic now. | ||
Oh, absolutely. | ||
What are we doing? | ||
Everything. | ||
But you have to understand, as we're getting closer to the end of the ages, I kind of relate it to a football game or a basketball game. | ||
You can always tell. | ||
You better believe it. | ||
You can see the intensity. | ||
In the final inning, you can see the intensity in the last two minutes of a basketball-football game intensifies because they know that they only have a short time to get it done. | ||
So 19 years ago, we were in the final innings of the game, and they were really trying to, you know, it was intensifying, the end was near. | ||
Christians do realize we've been in the fourth quarter overtime for several thousand years now. | ||
Quite a while. | ||
It's been a long overtime. | ||
Yeah. | ||
I would argue we should end it. | ||
End it in a tie! | ||
Jesus, hey, God and Satan tied. | ||
Everything's fine. | ||
We just move on. | ||
It's like soccer rules. | ||
That would be an interesting proposal to try and work out. | ||
I want to negotiate a draw. | ||
I think it's a non-starter. | ||
I'm going to negotiate a draw between God and the devil. | ||
I bet the devil would take that. | ||
I think it's a great deal. | ||
Yeah. | ||
I think God should take it, too. | ||
Yeah. | ||
He's going to be a holdout. | ||
Yeah, what's the point? | ||
So, hey, you remember the man Michael Dukakis? | ||
Yes, I do remember a man in a tank looking very strong. | ||
Do you think that he ever did anything overtly satanic? | ||
I don't know. | ||
If getting in a tank is overtly satanic, I think Alex is also wrong. | ||
He likes tanks. | ||
They're just big guns. | ||
No, he did do one thing. | ||
Maybe we forgot about this. | ||
I've got a woman that I talk about in my presentation, and she's a witch from Laurie Cabot. | ||
It was known as the Official Witch of Salem. | ||
She was nominated as the Official Witch of Salem by Michael Dukakis when he was running for the President of the United States of America. | ||
He said it would be good for his political campaign to nominate a witch. | ||
Well, America's really hurting when you have to nominate a witch to be married to one to get in the White House. | ||
What? | ||
Well, it's amazing, but getting back to this, it's not just the Democrats. | ||
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No, no. | |
You know, also, it was very well known that Mrs. Reagan went to astrologers and things like that as well. | ||
Wow, we got both sides from Alex. | ||
He's above the left-right paradigm. | ||
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We really did it. | |
We really nailed it that time. | ||
So what Benoit was talking about is actually true. | ||
Laurie Cabot was named the official Witch of Salem by Michael Dukakis back in 1977 when he was the governor of Massachusetts. | ||
Yeah, of course. | ||
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There's official wizards of towns all over the world. | |
Of course. | ||
This is fine! | ||
Yeah, so his decision was basically recognizing two things. | ||
One, there's a tradition of witch shit in Massachusetts and the Northeast in general. | ||
And two, Cabot opened what she claims is the first witch shop in America back in the 70s. | ||
So she's a historical monument as well. | ||
Alex sells dumb pills. | ||
If he wants to be mad at some lady selling incense and bath salts, I guess that's a fun game for him to play. | ||
Shouldn't he be a witch or a warlock for the magic that these pills do on your body? | ||
I mean, it's like being in, like, what, like 1920s San Francisco and be like, there's this man going around calling himself the King of America! | ||
Now, sir, this is a democracy! | ||
How dare they! | ||
If people begin to believe that he's the king, well, it's all a monarchy! | ||
Yeah. | ||
Like, what are you doing? | ||
There was a guy, a houseless person, a guy experiencing homelessness in Columbia. | ||
And he wore a Burger King crown around, and he called himself the King of Columbia, and a lot of people would salute him and treat him like the king. | ||
And just treat him, yeah. | ||
Yeah. | ||
And that did erode democracy. | ||
Well, I mean, here we are. | ||
The reason that I moved to Chicago is that he had a hostile takeover of the mayorship. | ||
I can say for sure that it is entirely his fault Citizens United went through the Supreme Court the way it did. | ||
I had to flee after he had a coup. | ||
He overthrew Darwin Hindman in a... | ||
So Alex goes out to break here, and he's talking about that he's had some run-ins with witches before. | ||
Now, based on what we know from his later talk, we should know that he had a lot of run-ins with witches. | ||
I mean, he was a witch. | ||
They tried to recruit him. | ||
He slept with a lot of them. | ||
Yup. | ||
He was honey-potted by a bunch of satanic cheerleaders. | ||
Talks about it a little bit differently back in 2002. | ||
Unsurprising. | ||
We'll stay there. | ||
We'll hear about that over when we get back. | ||
I want to get more into the history of Halloween and how these Satanists are using the softer forms, the original softer forms of the occult to chuck people into their ranks. | ||
It's exploding. | ||
Softer. | ||
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I've even had a run into these people. | |
They're in a lot of positions of power. | ||
We'll talk about it with our guest, David Menloin. | ||
We'll get back. | ||
And your calls are coming up as well. | ||
Wouldn't his argument seem a little bit better if he was talking about, like, I hung out with them and I fucked cheerleader Satanists? | ||
I mean, it'd be a really forceful testimonial. | ||
Certainly. | ||
Yeah. | ||
It would add to the first-hand actual experience that's being brought to the table as opposed to... | ||
I've had run-ins with powerful witches. | ||
And it would kind of increase his mystique, almost giving him a kind of a folkloric figurehood. | ||
You know, it seems like it would be valuable to do early on in your career. | ||
Well, I guess it kind of works if you just do it later, because most people have forgotten about your early shift. | ||
Yeah, that's fair. | ||
So, look, dude, this Benoit guy is a snooze. | ||
Whenever he's talking about being able to connect with the kids, I think, no. | ||
He's just getting really boring about Halloween here. | ||
Number one, more history on Halloween that many people aren't aware of. | ||
And then, how do we protect our children from this system? | ||
Somebody protect the children. | ||
Well, I'll tell you what. | ||
First of all, I think information is always crucial. | ||
You know, I think that people need to understand what the whole thing is all about. | ||
As a matter of fact, you know, I wrote a track last year entitled Halloween, A Trick or a Treat. | ||
Traditions like, for example, trick-or-treat. | ||
Where did that come from? | ||
And I talk about the jack-o'-lantern, you know, that that came from Great Britain. | ||
And Jack was supposed to have sold a soul to the devil and reneged on it and ended up having to get a coal. | ||
He tricked the devil and he put it into a turnip and then he had to walk to the face of the earth and stuff like that. | ||
They would wear masks because they would be afraid that after going to the bale fire, the bonfire, Oh, absolutely. | ||
But the Associated Press reported that? | ||
Yep. | ||
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Okay. | ||
That was an AP report. | ||
2002. | ||
April 2002, 26th. | ||
So he made a deal with the devil. | ||
He turned back on it and then he put his head into a turnip. | ||
What you gonna do? | ||
What you gonna do? | ||
I'm just imagining teens listening to that and being so bored. | ||
Oh man, this guy. | ||
He knows how to engage us with humor and interesting facts. | ||
Yeah, definitely. | ||
So look, rock and roll being of the devil. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Totally obvious. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
But there's some not-so-obvious things that David Benoit would like to warn you about. | ||
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Okay. | |
Some movies, maybe, that are insidious. | ||
More fiction, please! | ||
Again, when you get right down to talking about the dead and talking to the dead, and to show you, here's the thing that really gets me, Alex, is that there's the obvious. | ||
And when I... | ||
I've done things on rock music for years and stuff. | ||
I've been interviewed by NBC, ABC, CNN News, and things like that. | ||
And, you know, I've talked about the obvious, but the most subtle. | ||
For example, like Talking to the Dead, there are movies like Sixth Sense, and where a boy is supposed to see spirits and stuff. | ||
Nobody can see him but him. | ||
And then you've got Ghost, where they've had some... | ||
They talk about that. | ||
Hey, buddy, neither of those are subtle. | ||
Those are both, like... | ||
Wasn't the tagline of The Sixth Sense, I see dead people? | ||
That's a catchphrase of the movie? | ||
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Yeah. | |
And hey, a ghost is called ghost. | ||
Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. | ||
These are subtle things. | ||
If you want to present to me as being a religious scholar... | ||
I think you would like that. | ||
...of Glory Ministries... | ||
Sure. | ||
And you also believe that movies are real. | ||
Uh-huh. | ||
I think it cheapens your glory, if you know what I'm saying. | ||
Uh-huh. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Well, I don't think you're ready for this, then. | ||
Oh, I'm not ready. | ||
Because he goes on. | ||
Oh, God, no. | ||
Mic down for this. | ||
Okay. | ||
Then you've got Ghost, where they've had some... | ||
They talk about that. | ||
But also in the movie Lion King, Simba talks to his father who is dead. | ||
And there are a lot of Christians who say, well, I don't see anything wrong with it. | ||
Well, you know, I had one guy at a Christian college one day. | ||
So it must have been a lot. | ||
Well, it's the same thing with E.T. E.T. rises from the dead. | ||
They worship him in the same last window. | ||
It's the same message everywhere. | ||
So yeah, we got Lion King and E.T. they're mad at, too. | ||
I am afraid of the world! | ||
I don't understand anything! | ||
So look, look, we have to keep going on this thread about the Lion King. | ||
Yes. | ||
Because he's pretty concerned about the Lion King. | ||
He's concerned about the Lion King. | ||
Some people have given him some rebuttals. | ||
That might actually, like, what about this, bro? | ||
Okay. | ||
Well, I have a problem already with this first rebuttal, which is I saw the Lion King somehow as a metaphor for Jesus, which, struggling there. | ||
Right. | ||
Mike down again for this, because this is ridiculous. | ||
Sorry. | ||
Whatever Lion King comes up, Mike must go down. | ||
And the thing about it is, is what I told him, I said, well, what about Rafiki? | ||
He said, well, he was the Holy Spirit. | ||
I said, the Holy Spirit? | ||
I said, he was a witch doctor. | ||
I said... | ||
See, you only miss one minor problem with that analogy, and that's it. | ||
And that's this. | ||
Is that Simba's father died and ascended to be a god. | ||
That's the New Age movement. | ||
Jesus' father has always been god. | ||
He's always been in heaven. | ||
And therefore, he's never had to die and ascend to be an ascended master. | ||
So, how do we protect our children from this? | ||
Get them out of the public schools, I would say, number one. | ||
Yeah, that's it. | ||
Get them out of the public schools so they can't be affected by the Lion King and the nefarious message of Mufasa becoming an Ascended Master. | ||
Okay, give me one second. | ||
Wait, shouldn't Alex hate Star Wars? | ||
No, give me one second. | ||
Give me one second. | ||
I really need to understand this correctly, okay? | ||
Because of Ghost... | ||
The Lion King. | ||
Subtle. | ||
Because of E.T. Because of Bewitched. | ||
Because of Sabrina the Teenage Witch. | ||
Because of Buffy the Vampire Slayer, we need to take our kids out of school. | ||
Because school is where those specific things are found. | ||
I did think that that was a strange leap for that to be the conclusion of this stupid conversation about Rafiki. | ||
Rafiki being the Holy Spirit. | ||
I don't understand what you don't get about Rafiki being the Holy Spirit. | ||
That one's just too obvious. | ||
Timon and Pumbaa, who are they? | ||
That's Rosencrantz and Guildenstern. | ||
What? | ||
Yes! | ||
I mean, it's based on... | ||
Who fucking cares? | ||
What are we doing? | ||
What are we doing? | ||
Nala is Jonah's Ark. | ||
What are we doing? | ||
Oh my god. | ||
Yeah, they're scared. | ||
Man, these guys would absolutely go apeshit if they ever heard of Aeschylus. | ||
It would be over for them. | ||
They'd be like, holy shit! | ||
The crowd is supposed to be talking? | ||
There's a chorus? | ||
I don't get it! | ||
Where are they from? | ||
This is magic. | ||
This is devilry. | ||
It's a devilry. | ||
So yeah, man. | ||
If you have Harry Potter in school, you should be able to have everyone pray in school. | ||
That sounds right. | ||
You know what I found interesting also is I was, uh, called by a lady from Knoxville, Tennessee, and she said, "Mr. | ||
General, my daughter has to go under the Hogwarts School for Witchcraft and Wizardry to get into her room." And so when I told the principal I didn't want my daughter there, and he said, "Okay, then write her a little note and we'll take her out of the class." But you know what my suggestion was to that is, if that offends... | ||
See, if Harry Potter offends you, you can get a little note and go out of class. | ||
Why don't we say that to those who are offended about prayer in school? | ||
Yeah, why don't we sue them? | ||
But more importantly, just let them have their system. | ||
Let them have it. | ||
Leave the schools. | ||
I don't know. | ||
I think there's a slight difference between room decorations around a popular book and sort of communal, enforced by the school, organized by the school, religious activities. | ||
I mean, the thing about this is that that is exactly the point of all of the rest of it. | ||
In the same way that right now the right wing... | ||
There's even more of a point, but this is a big part of the point. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
I mean, right now the right wing is making up a fictional... | ||
Antifa to be the victim of in order to consolidate their insane power already. | ||
Right, and screaming about CRT in order to get rid of any kind of troubling history. | ||
Can't let people see Harry Potter in schools, or, I say, you know, just to be fair, we should allow... | ||
Prayer to be in schools all the time. | ||
I'm just saying. | ||
And it's about fairness, Dan. | ||
It's a fairness argument. | ||
I'm going to maliciously misinterpret Harry Potter as an actual religion. | ||
Yes, absolutely. | ||
In order to justify me bringing religion into schools. | ||
Right. | ||
That will eventually be enforced pretty strictly. | ||
The obvious thing that he doesn't understand is the point that he's really making is that Harry Potter and Christianity are both equally fictional. | ||
Now, won't you think of the children? | ||
Actually, I'm refusing to think of the children ever again. | ||
I'm done thinking of the children. | ||
You're a monster? | ||
I am. | ||
Now, just think of the kids who don't like Harry Potter. | ||
They're ostracized. | ||
Never. | ||
I didn't like Harry Potter, and I was fine. | ||
Did this happen to you? | ||
Yeah, why don't we sue them? | ||
But more importantly, just let them have their system. | ||
Get them out of there. | ||
But the point is they ostracized the children. | ||
You're a weirdo for leaving. | ||
Oh, exactly. | ||
Not all of that, but they called them muggles. | ||
They called her a muggle. | ||
A muggle is a non... | ||
In Harry Potter's books, it's supposed to be a non-witch or sorcerer. | ||
It's a natural person, someone who doesn't believe in magic. | ||
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So when the girl left the room, they called her muggle, muggle, muggle, muggle. | |
Now, could you imagine what kind of uprising it would have been if someone like a Hindu or, say, a Muslim didn't want to pledge allegiance to the flag or didn't want to say in God we trust or had to pray, and they had to leave and everybody said, Muslim, Muslim, Muslim, Muslim. | ||
Oh, there would have been all kinds of lawsuits. | ||
But see, you know why it is, Alex, it's because Christians don't... | ||
Don't do it. | ||
Don't say the only 100% false, real thing that you've said. | ||
I mean, what if kids were rude to minorities? | ||
See, but here's the other thing. | ||
That's again... | ||
So ridiculous. | ||
That is again one of those things about Harry Potter that a close reading would analyze so fucking differently. | ||
The thing about Harry Potter is that the slur that wizards use against... | ||
Muggle. | ||
No, no. | ||
Wizards use the slur mudblood against wizards with non-magical parents. | ||
Right. | ||
But they are... | ||
All fine. | ||
And it's a horrible thing to use the mudblood. | ||
Oh, it's a horrible slur. | ||
All of them use muggle. | ||
All the time. | ||
Just like, no problem whatsoever, just this slur about a class of people that we don't give a fuck about. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Just all the time, it's those types of things where it's like, oh, this slur is bad for the people I like, and it's fine to give slurs around for all the people that aren't involved with our fun story. | ||
Sure, but it's silly to be like the trauma of people calling her a muggle. | ||
See, again. | ||
And then, can you imagine what the uproar would be if this happened to somebody of a minority? | ||
And it's like, it does. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Quite a bit. | ||
And there is not an uproar. | ||
They don't do it. | ||
You wouldn't give a shit about that. | ||
Yep. | ||
You would be like, well, you gotta take it on the chin if your traditions are different than ours or whatever the fuck. | ||
The only thing that's important is that we are always the victims and you should do whatever we say. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Because we're the victims. | ||
Yep. | ||
Yep. | ||
Yay! | ||
So look, I mean, obviously you should be able to pray in school. | ||
If you have Harry Potter there. | ||
But there's another thing that you should be forced to teach. | ||
Make that argument! | ||
I'm not. | ||
See, the thing about it is, you know, these principles and everything are taught how to handle us rowdies. | ||
See, they're taught how to handle us. | ||
I mean, we're the weird ones. | ||
We're the strange ones. | ||
You need to be a free thinker. | ||
Well, you know, if you think that's the case, then why don't you let the... | ||
Teachers teach the Left Behind series to their children. | ||
Equally fictional. | ||
I mean, there are some good Christian novels that are out there, stuff like that. | ||
Oh, they'd never think about that, but they can teach witchcraft and occultism. | ||
They're not. | ||
That argument is pretty cute, and I think it's kind of funny that David thinks Harry Potter is in any way similar to Left Behind thematically, or the intent of the writing, or even the quality of the book. | ||
It's silly. | ||
But there's a much bigger problem to deal with here. | ||
The books of Left Behind are very, very specifically a story about a pre-tribulation rapture. | ||
The rapture happens, and then those who weren't saved are, quote, left behind in the rapture. | ||
It's essentially the whole point of that 16-book series. | ||
I don't care about this at all, but Alex thinks pre-tribulation rapture preaching is heresy. | ||
He is a strong post-trib guy, and it's pretty funny to hear someone bring up Left Behind on his show and see him not get mad about it. | ||
He should be furious about the suggestion that Left Behind be taught in schools, probably more so than Harry Potter. | ||
Oh, I know. | ||
We've talked about Left Behind before. | ||
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He should be furious about the idea of Left Behind being evoked on his show. | ||
It's the exact wrong image of the... | ||
The tribulation and the rapture that actually is insidiously teaching the patriots and the Christians to not be ready to fight. | ||
And so, like, he should be furious, and he's not. | ||
Considering how furious I've seen him get about just somebody saying pre-trib might be real, the novel series being recommended for children in public schools seems very odd. | ||
Yeah. | ||
I think that... | ||
There's also a very strong difference between the notion of a school teaching Harry Potter or allowing kids to read Harry Potter. | ||
Kids would be allowed to read Left Behind as recreational reading. | ||
I read Left Behind. | ||
I read like five of the novels and then I was shocked that they kept going. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Bananas! | ||
I think that, if I recall correctly, when they made a movie of that, my dad got like a press copy or something. | ||
Wasn't Nicolas Cage in that? | ||
No, no, this is the Cameron one. | ||
Oh, okay, I gotcha. | ||
And I think they wanted him to write a blurb or something. | ||
I remember him being very not interested. | ||
I have a vague memory of that. | ||
Really nails how dumb Christianity is. | ||
So, look, there's... | ||
The Christians? | ||
Sure. | ||
They don't do anything. | ||
And that's why their kids are called muggles in school or whatever. | ||
Right, right, right, right. | ||
And also, I will say that this is an interesting fact that David brings up, this next clip. | ||
It's an interesting fact that would help him connect with the children and then immediately lose them. | ||
You know, I read the other day where, you know, the long-legged spiders? | ||
Are we doing this? | ||
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What? | ||
Hold on. | ||
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Where did that come from? | |
You know! | ||
That took a turn? | ||
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The jumping! | |
You mean jumping spiders? | ||
We are watching Olympic-level triple leaps of logic that I cannot understand whatsoever. | ||
But it also kind of indicates to you what they're actually talking about. | ||
What are the things that they're actually mad about? | ||
He's not mad about Harry Potter. | ||
He's mad about feeling like people are too gay. | ||
And Alex thinks that there's too much promiscuity in dating shows. | ||
And they don't feel like their ideas are in control of public education. | ||
That's really what they're mad about. | ||
They don't care about a book about it. | ||
It seems like everywhere I turn, the world that I had beaten into me when I was a child is not the same. | ||
I don't know. | ||
These people are fucked up. | ||
Yeah. | ||
They're just fucking... | ||
And one of the things that I find also, you know, take the monstrousness and the clear overt homophobia out of this, and you kind of have a clunky metaphor. | ||
You have many clunky metaphors. | ||
Well, because think about this. | ||
The Daddy Long Legs is a venomous spider. | ||
True. | ||
But it can't bite you because it can't open its mouth up big enough to bite you. | ||
Stroke of luck on our part. | ||
Now, he's saying that the Christians are like that. | ||
They're more venomous than other groups. | ||
Yes. | ||
Great. | ||
Let's leave that aside, that it's venomousness. | ||
Right. | ||
But he's saying they're unwilling. | ||
To flex that muscle or use that venom. | ||
Sounds like the Christianity I know. | ||
It's not like the daddy long legs can't bring itself to bite you. | ||
No. | ||
It can't physically. | ||
Yeah. | ||
So if this is analogous at all, then the Christians can't physically use this power. | ||
They are unable to exert this quote-unquote extra venomousness that they have. | ||
Yes. | ||
It's not a choice for the daddy long legs. | ||
It's nature. | ||
It's their jaw. | ||
Right. | ||
Right. | ||
I would say... | ||
It's a bad metaphor. | ||
I would say the metaphor might make more sense if you said that Christians were filled with venom and, you know, they didn't bite people, but they just kept fucking bothering me. | ||
You know what's teaching the kids devilry? | ||
What's that? | ||
Venom 2. Carnage. | ||
I can't wait to see it. | ||
I'm looking forward to it. | ||
Devilry. | ||
Let there be carnage, Dan. | ||
So, speaking of carnage, this next clip is really, really upsetting. | ||
And after the... | ||
Stupidity and nonsense of Harry Potter and Rafiki being the Holy Spirit. | ||
Rafiki is the Holy Spirit. | ||
I'm going to defend that one. | ||
This really fucking upset me. | ||
We're more powerful than the homosexuals. | ||
You just don't say anything. | ||
We're more powerful than the atheists. | ||
We just won't say anything. | ||
We're more powerful than the one-worlders. | ||
We just won't say anything. | ||
You know, people say, oh, you could never get prayer back in school. | ||
Let me tell you something. | ||
You blow up a couple buildings. | ||
Everybody wants to pray. | ||
Where were the ACLU at that time? | ||
You know, America... | ||
It's loaded with Christianity. | ||
They just bow down to everything. | ||
Well, I go on a lot of Christian stations, and some of them just don't speak out, be quiet, go along. | ||
Oh, yeah. | ||
So I can't tell if what he's saying is everybody loved to pray after 9-11, or if he's saying, you say we can't get prayer back in school, let's blow up some buildings and see if you pray. | ||
It could go either way. | ||
It could go either way. | ||
It's at least... | ||
Could be both. | ||
It's inarticulately delivered to the point where I think those are both readings of it. | ||
Right. | ||
And that's fucked up. | ||
Right. | ||
What he could have said was there are no atheists in a foxhole. | ||
Sure. | ||
You know, if that's his intent, then that's what he should have said. | ||
No one is going to then create foxholes in order to create Christians. | ||
Yeah, it wasn't like what we should do with the create a foxhole Christian thing. | ||
What we should do is we should kill a lot of people to make them get into foxholes and then they won't be atheists anymore. | ||
See? | ||
That's what God wants us to do, Dan. | ||
It's a longer walk. | ||
And that really was like, wow. | ||
I mean, I think that this is... | ||
If he's trying to say people were very religious after 9-11, if that's what he was trying to say, he said it in about the worst and most sort of irresponsible way, I can imagine. | ||
Sure. | ||
You know, I mean, for me... | ||
If I was going to listen to his, we could do all of these things, but we stay quiet about it, I would ask how many atheist presidents there were, or how many, I mean, let's say, how many elected representatives throughout America's history have openly professed to not having any religious beliefs whatsoever? | ||
You don't want to play this game because they'll just argue that most presidents are secret Satanists and secret atheists. | ||
I'm not playing the game with them. | ||
There was never any point to doing that. | ||
It's just like, how can you be that stupid? | ||
You know George Washington was the only president who didn't read Harry Potter. | ||
Yeah, might as well have been. | ||
So can you imagine, Jordan, going back 150 years and telling a church about Harry Potter? | ||
Because David Benoit can't. | ||
Again, it's been a process of changing people's minds. | ||
Of desensitization. | ||
Exactly. | ||
It's like I was speaking in a church the other day that's 156 years old. | ||
They were celebrating their 156th anniversary. | ||
And I said, could you imagine if I came to this church 156 years ago and said that there would be a boy named Harry Potter and that he was going to be attending the Hogwarts School for Witchcraft and Wizardry and that children would be reading the book in church. | ||
Youth pastors would be having activities surrounding that. | ||
I said, the people in that church would have thought I was crazy. | ||
But they're not anymore. | ||
They're doing it all over the country. | ||
And we're bad for saying it's bad. | ||
I don't know how many churches necessarily were using Harry Potter. | ||
I don't know what they would use it for. | ||
I don't know what youth groups need to have assigned reading, necessarily, other than the Bible. | ||
Well, I mean, you know, the power goes out, you know. | ||
You want to learn the blight spell. | ||
I guess there are some youth groups and churches, probably, that didn't ban Harry Potter. | ||
Maybe that's what he's responding to. | ||
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So proud. | |
So proud of them. | ||
So, I mean, like, sure, you can go back to 156 years before, but, like... | ||
I mean, there are other books. | ||
I will tell you this. | ||
Like, what would that church think of Gulliver's Travels? | ||
I will tell you this. | ||
There are tiny people. | ||
If you go back to 1846 and you told them that children would be into witches, they would be like, you're fucking right they are, and we gotta stop them. | ||
Let's go! | ||
Let's get our torches and pitchforks, because in 1856, we totally believe witches are real. | ||
There is, like Macbeth, there are witches and other things before Harry Potter. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
Also, Frankenstein, that book. | ||
Church is probably mad about that. | ||
It came out in 1818. | ||
Totally, totally. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
No, do you know what they were... | ||
I'll tell you this. | ||
Do you know what the book churches were most mad about when it came out? | ||
The fucking Bible! | ||
Oh yeah, they had a lot of... | ||
They were furious about that! | ||
Various books within it, and the canonization, and yeah, there was a lot of trouble with that. | ||
Oh man, you don't even want to know what happened when they started printing it for everyone to read. | ||
Oh, that was scandalous. | ||
Tried to cancel it! | ||
I am not joking! | ||
Christians wanted to cancel the Bible! | ||
They were trying to shadow ban the Bible! | ||
You know where the Bible traveled? | ||
It went the same direction as porn. | ||
It traveled all through the same underground porn traveling system in the 15 fucking hundreds. | ||
Christians are dumb. | ||
So, uh, look. | ||
I think that we now know, because we're in 2021, Blackjack, that the end was not near in 2002, as it were. | ||
We're in double overtime now. | ||
Yeah, we were in fourth quarter overtime. | ||
Man, if so, we got some tough things coming. | ||
That's the trick. | ||
It's so far-fetched when we report it, but when they start saying it, people have heard us say it, and they go, well, so what? | ||
Everybody's doing it. | ||
You see, that's the fine line that we deal with every day, Alex. | ||
So we're only a few years away from the Aztec Kingdom where everybody was doing it. | ||
A few years? | ||
We're only a few years away from euthanasia that's already in Northern Europe. | ||
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Absolutely. | |
We're only a few years away. | ||
It's already here. | ||
Exactly. | ||
And see, so when you start reporting it, you're crazy, and yet when Walter Cronkite or when somebody else gets up there or, you know... | ||
Dan Rather. | ||
Dan Rather or Ted Koppel or somebody like that. | ||
That's something, huh? | ||
Yeah, it is something. | ||
And if Walter Cronkite did deliver this news that we are a few years away from being the Aztec kingdom with human sacrifice and witchcraft and all this shit, I would say he's crazy, too. | ||
Yeah. | ||
I would not give him... | ||
You know why he's respected? | ||
Because he didn't say shit like that. | ||
He did not say shit like that. | ||
Yes. | ||
That was one of the reasons that people were like, oh, I can trust this person not to say shit like that. | ||
Exactly. | ||
I think that maybe there's a little bit of backwardsness here. | ||
Like, oh, he's so respected. | ||
But if he said that there were witches... | ||
Like, no, no, no. | ||
He's respected because he doesn't do that shit. | ||
You could be, too, if you did a better job. | ||
Yeah. | ||
I wish I had more recordings of, like... | ||
Yeah. | ||
I think we've talked about it before. | ||
I even check myself a little bit about that whenever there's something that I just don't understand. | ||
Like, even TikTok for me is a little bit like, it gives me that sort of, if I were a little bit less examined in my sort of daily life, I might be like these fucking kids. | ||
It might be something that I would feel like this generation has really lost it. | ||
Oh, man. | ||
But I don't. | ||
I recognize. | ||
Is there something that I've, pardon the expression, been left behind? | ||
And that's fine. | ||
Eh, I mean, I just, I think one of the major problems is that it seems like the generation after us is just better. | ||
They're just way better people, they're more connected, they're smarter. | ||
I think you might be erring on the other side. | ||
You might be going, the pendulum's swinging a little too far. | ||
Could be swinging a little bit too far. | ||
They're not all Greta. | ||
I get that. | ||
Sure. | ||
I get that. | ||
But you know what? | ||
You know what Greta doesn't have? | ||
A mark on her forehead. | ||
But everybody else does. | ||
You know, I've been talking about these microchips. | ||
As a matter of fact, do you realize that when Harry Potter first came to America, as far as the book, they sent out 365,000 little stickers, and you know, Harry Potter has a lightning bolt on his forehead. | ||
And it's a scar. | ||
And so all these children got these little bitty stickers, and they were all putting them right on their forehead, just like Harry Potter. | ||
You see, so that... | ||
When you start looking at that, and even in Lion King, where Simba was anointed on his forehead, I show pictures of that, and then you know the U.S. News and World Report some time ago had a child on his front cover with a bar mark right on his forehead. | ||
Barcode right on his forehead. | ||
Oh man, it's microchip shit. | ||
Jesus. | ||
I don't understand how we're also getting so far afield from witches. | ||
You know, like... | ||
This is supposed to be about witches on Halloween and now the Lion King is being used to put forth a... | ||
Microchip conspiracy? | ||
I think they've lost the thread. | ||
I think it would go so far as to be evidence for them not actually believing witches are real and just using it as a cudgel to get through their other more important bullshit. | ||
Yeah, it's kind of a splitter that they can use to have their other agendas be more interesting than they would appear to be otherwise. | ||
Hey, I think Second Amendment rights are important. | ||
Cool. | ||
Hey, I think Second Amendment rights are important because witches are coming. | ||
Alright, I'm listening. | ||
Hold on. | ||
All right. | ||
What else you got? | ||
Yeah. | ||
I think also they're a little bit defensive. | ||
Because witches aren't real? | ||
Maybe. | ||
Okay. | ||
But they're a little defensive that people think that they're bad because they're against witches or something. | ||
This is so stupid. | ||
Like when you talk about witches, witches were bad, and then all of a sudden, well, they're not so bad. | ||
But we're kooks to even say they're out there evangelizing. | ||
It's not so bad. | ||
Exactly. | ||
See, there was a long time that people said all witches are just make-believe. | ||
When they jump that line from witcher or maple leaf to now, well, so what? | ||
I mean, freedom of speech, freedom of religion in America. | ||
And they're grabbing our kids and doing this. | ||
Well, the website, gloryministries.com, a link to it on infowars.com. | ||
What will you be doing this Sam Hain, this Halloween night, tomorrow? | ||
Well, tomorrow night I will actually be traveling, and I'll be doing some programs down in Florida. | ||
And so I'll be out of pocket tomorrow. | ||
But I'm telling you what, it's not that I won't be praying about some things, because I realize there are a lot of children. | ||
And here's another thing. | ||
Even if, Alex, this was not an occult practice or occult day, anybody who'll take their children and walk through the neighborhood taking candy from anybody who'll open up a door is stupid. | ||
Okay. | ||
What? | ||
Don't! | ||
Trust anyone! | ||
Aren't you supposed to be like... | ||
Everyone's evil! | ||
You're supposed to be about community and neighbors. | ||
Demons are everywhere! | ||
Okay. | ||
Don't even say hi to your neighbors! | ||
I mean, obviously, I do think that sending a child who's, you know, a young child alone... | ||
Unaccompanied? | ||
I think that is dangerous for... | ||
Probably an issue. | ||
For the reasons of, like, you never know who's out there, but then even from, like, what if they trip and fall and hurt themselves? | ||
Totally. | ||
You know, like, you need to... | ||
But that's your responsibility as a parent. | ||
Right. | ||
Right. | ||
Now, the other thing I think is being very clearly intentionally misrepresented here in a very hilarious way is the, like, for the longest time they said witches were bad, and they're not real. | ||
People were like, oh, they're not real. | ||
And now everyone's like, ah, who cares? | ||
Now, the ah, who cares is not society being like, yeah, they do magic. | ||
All right, fine. | ||
It's being like, who cares? | ||
Yeah. | ||
It's a little different than society just being like, alright, we'll accept it. | ||
Okay, fine. | ||
Witches are real and they do magic all the time, but let's not worry about it. | ||
We need to regulate cauldron sales. | ||
I mean, get the fuck out of here. | ||
Yeah, this is really dumb. | ||
Sometimes, you know, see the thing about being a witch, and I'll tell you this, is the only reason that they can believe in witches and also convincingly argue that they aren't dead is that because there are magical rules that they themselves imagine exist that they then impose upon witches. | ||
Like, if witches were real and magic is real, explain to me why eyesight's important or distance or anything along those lines. | ||
Like, if a witch was like, holy shit! | ||
Alex is blowing the whistle on all of our witch shit. | ||
Let's take away his voice. | ||
They could just take away his voice! | ||
It wouldn't even be hard! | ||
Nope. | ||
He gets boils one day and he has to go to the doctor and then he's dead. | ||
It's the point of magic! | ||
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You don't have the rules the rest of us do! | |
But then he's going to be like, no, no, no, they can only do it if they have a block of your hair. | ||
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Yeah, I mean, there have to be limitations in order to make this make sense within the actual world we live in. | ||
Exactly, yes. | ||
There has to be an explanation for why there aren't magical things happening all the time. | ||
If it were this easy to learn how to do magic. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Or possible to learn how to do magic. | ||
How would they keep it secret? | ||
Because it's fucking magic. | ||
Yeah. | ||
What are you talking about? | ||
Jordan, do you think you should trick-or-treat? | ||
Sure. | ||
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Okay. | |
You and David Benoit have hit an impasse. | ||
I've thought about it for a while. | ||
Well, you guys are not in agreement. | ||
I mean, the whole thing's bad news, but again, everybody's doing it, so it must be good. | ||
Well, you know, Casey had to live in somebody's neighborhood, you know? | ||
And all these rapists and these pedophiles, they live in people's neighborhoods. | ||
What are we doing? | ||
You stop and think about that. | ||
That for 364 days of the year, we tell our children not to take anything from a stranger, and then one night of the year, we walk around picking out anything that can hand something out. | ||
Well, law enforcement numbers show it. | ||
A massive amount of children are kidnapped the week before. | ||
It's the biggest upsurge of the year. | ||
Before Halloween, and then the years later, they find them in some pasture. | ||
They're poor little skeletons. | ||
And they put that in the back of the paper, which shows me there's an agenda to cover this up. | ||
Okay, prove that. | ||
Let's see those law enforcement numbers. | ||
If there's an agenda to cover it up, you have a responsibility. | ||
You owe their poor little skeletons the coverage of this very specifically in order to get the word out about the evils of the, I guess, universal kidnapping ring that's going on on Halloween. | ||
Now, I think that this is really fucked up, because I thought this was about witches and Harry Potter and shit, and now apparently it's about your neighbors being creeps? | ||
Yeah, yeah, I mean... | ||
I thought I was supposed to be afraid of the occult, not the predatory guy who lives down the street? | ||
No, anybody could be the predatory... | ||
But he's not a witch! | ||
This is cult shit, man. | ||
He's a perv, he's not a witch! | ||
This is isolate from anyone who can disagree with me. | ||
This is a... | ||
Look... | ||
If you wanted to say that trick-or-treating is bad... | ||
I mean, whatever you want to say about candy is fine. | ||
But part of trick-or-treating is that it is a communal ritual. | ||
Right. | ||
And that you go around to complete strangers' homes. | ||
They smile. | ||
You smile. | ||
They give you candy. | ||
Not always complete strangers, either. | ||
If you know people in your neighborhood... | ||
Totally. | ||
It's a reinforcing community thing where you dress up and then people answer the door and they're like, Oh, look at you. | ||
That's cute. | ||
Look at that costume. | ||
This is good. | ||
Yeah. | ||
This is good. | ||
And guess what else it is? | ||
It's about realizing that the people around you are just people like you and that most of us are fucking chill most of us are Yeah, fuck that guy. | ||
That's why we shouldn't trick-or-treat. | ||
Yeah, I think that, yeah, the message is basically don't trust anybody except those who would be willing to join in with our paranoia and have our community of paranoid weirdos who are scared of everybody else. | ||
Right. | ||
Do not go meet other people with different backgrounds who look different from you. | ||
Unless they do a handshake with a gun. | ||
Exactly, yes, absolutely. | ||
Then they're good people. | ||
Yeah, it's just cult isolation shit, man. | ||
We have one last clip here. | ||
This is how the interview ends, and it's a real eye roller. | ||
Years later, they find them in some pasture. | ||
They're poor little skeletons. | ||
And they put that in the back of the paper, which shows me there's an agenda to cover this up. | ||
Well, they don't need to kidnap children. | ||
I mean, all they've got to do is perform human sacrifice to buy abortion. | ||
That happens every day. | ||
Fifteen million. | ||
Thanks for joining us, David. | ||
A lot of great info on your site. | ||
We appreciate you. | ||
Thank you so much, Alex. | ||
God bless y 'all. | ||
You bet. | ||
Take care. | ||
Well, boo! | ||
The bizarre political messages that just get thrown in really stray, like, on the side. | ||
The anti-abortion, the pro-Second Amendment kind of stuff. | ||
It's like, I thought we're talking about witches! | ||
What is happening here? | ||
I mean, it is like borderline. | ||
Witches are terrible. | ||
They use magic. | ||
They worship the devil. | ||
Also, trans people are evil. | ||
But witches are the ones we're talking about here. | ||
Trans people are evil. | ||
What we want to talk about mainly are witches. | ||
Abortion is going to kill everybody. | ||
What we want to talk are witches. | ||
We're stronger than the gays. | ||
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Yes, absolutely. | ||
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It's like, are you trying? | |
Yeah, it's pretty overt and I don't know. | ||
I wonder if it's a function of, like, there weren't as many people listening, so this feels very sloppy and very dumb. | ||
Yeah. | ||
Yeah, they could just get away with this shit. | ||
Nobody's paying attention. | ||
But look, we needed to have a spooktacular. | ||
We needed to have a little break. | ||
We had to do it. | ||
We never do this. | ||
But to be fair, we never did interviews. | ||
That's true. | ||
And we never did special holiday episodes. | ||
Evolve or die, Dan. | ||
So why not give it a shot? | ||
Evolve or die. | ||
Exactly. | ||
And so now, every holiday. | ||
We're doing themed holiday shows. | ||
I want a Valentine's Day Alex Jones. | ||
That's what I need. | ||
Alex sings, Why do I get a kick out of you? | ||
Champagne doesn't thrill me out. | ||
Wise men say, Only fools rush in! | ||
Take a look at me now. | ||
There's just an empty space. | ||
Hello! | ||
Is it me you're looking for? | ||
It's a different tone when he's singing hello. | ||
It does. | ||
It's a little threatening. | ||
A little bit different. | ||
A little aggressive. | ||
Is it me you're looking for? | ||
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Officer? | |
So we will, in earnest, actually get to present to him. | ||
I just found his behavior so abhorrent. | ||
Oh, man. | ||
And I was like, we gotta do a Halloween thing. | ||
I swear to you, those first few clips set a table that I was genuinely like... | ||
This is going to get dark. | ||
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Yeah. | |
And a big part of this, too, was that I was poking around on the website and uncovered that interview. | ||
And honestly, if you see the name, author of 14 things witches hope parents never find out on the occult and the real meaning of Halloween bringing America to its knees. | ||
That's a spooktacular. | ||
How do you resist? | ||
That's a spooktacular. | ||
I can't have this interview sitting in my archives and think like, oh, we'll get to it in March. | ||
No, you can't. | ||
You've got to strike while the iron's hot. | ||
And the iron has now cooled. | ||
Yep. | ||
So, happy Halloween. | ||
Happy Halloween! | ||
And happy not Halloween to anybody who doesn't like Halloween. | ||
Hey, I want to wish a happy Samhain to anybody who celebrates, and a happy Samhain to anybody who doesn't. | ||
Uh-huh. | ||
Anyway, we'll be back. | ||
We have a website. | ||
We do have a website. | ||
You can go from our website and learn witchcraft magic. | ||
I think we also have don'tkillyourfamily.com now. | ||
I believe I saw that one. | ||
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Thank you. | |
Also, we are on Twitter. | ||
We are on Twitter. | ||
It's at knowledge underscore fight. | ||
Not go to bed, Jordan. | ||
Yep, we'll be back. | ||
But until then, I'm Neo. | ||
I'm Leo. | ||
I'm DZX Clark. | ||
I'm Daryl Rundis. | ||
You're a traitor, Dan. | ||
Andy in Kansas. | ||
You're on the air. | ||
Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
I'm a first time caller. | ||
I'm a huge fan. | ||
I love your work. |