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Nov. 1, 2021 - Knowledge Fight
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#611: October 29, 2021

Today, Dan and Jordan try to talk about a present day episode, but end up deciding to celebrate Halloween by dipping back to 2002 to discuss a spooky interview Alex did with a guy who is very afraid of witches. Citations

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alex jones
08:05
d
dan friesen
43:28
d
david benoit
13:15
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jordan holmes
26:29
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Speaker Time Text
unidentified
I have great respect for knowledge fight.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys.
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
Dan and Jordan.
Knowledge fight.
alex jones
I need, I need money.
unidentified
Andy in Kansas.
alex jones
Stop it.
Andy in Kansas.
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
Hello, Alex.
unidentified
I'm the first time caller.
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody!
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
Jordan!
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
unidentified
Dan!
dan friesen
Jordan!
jordan holmes
I have a quick question for you.
unidentified
Yes.
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot today?
dan friesen
My bright spot today, Jordan, is it's the spookiest of all days.
We're recording this on Halloween.
You can't hear this because you can't see it because we're recording this.
It's an audio thing, but I'm in full costume.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, yeah.
I've dressed as a druid during Samhain.
I went all the way back to the beginning.
dan friesen
Yeah, I'm Frankenstein's monster.
We're just sitting here.
jordan holmes
We're just going for it.
dan friesen
And it's like, we got together to record this podcast.
jordan holmes
No one around.
dan friesen
Foolish.
A lot of wasted effort, but it feels good.
jordan holmes
You know, it's funny.
It was a little bit like a Gift of the Magi thing.
I told you not to wear a costume, and you told me not to wear a costume, and then we both showed up in costumes.
What a silly thing.
dan friesen
I like Halloween as much as I like any other holiday.
I don't like scary things, but I've always had a real...
The audience is not going to be surprised to hear this.
A soft spot for candy.
And it's a candy-based holiday.
I'm thrilled for that.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
I'm excited for tomorrow, the candy to be on sale.
jordan holmes
Right.
And unlike the other candy holiday, Valentine's Day, you don't have to enjoy anyone else's company.
dan friesen
Sure.
There's no expectation.
If you want to just turn off your porch light, you don't have to worry about...
jordan holmes
You don't have to say anything to anyone.
dan friesen
You don't have a responsibility to give these kids candy.
You can just keep it all to yourself.
jordan holmes
When I was growing up, my parents thought Halloween was evil, so we would legit shut off...
All of our lights and go into a back room so no one could stop by and trick-or-treat.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I know that this is well-trod territory and probably even a little bit hacky, but I really hated the guy down the street who would, like, act like a corpse on his porch.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And then, ah!
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Fuck that guy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, what's your problem?
dan friesen
Yeah, I remember the exact, like, path to that guy's house from my house.
And I'm like, nah.
What do you get out of this?
jordan holmes
I guess he gets the knowledge that he has scarred hundreds of children, literally, to the point where they remember the pathway to his home.
At age 37. Still like, I gotta avoid that fucking house.
dan friesen
Fuck that guy.
So how about you?
What's your bright spot?
jordan holmes
My bright spot, Dan, is I recently got the new James Blake album.
It came out...
A few weeks ago?
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Fantastic.
dan friesen
Great!
jordan holmes
It might be his best album.
dan friesen
I don't know anything about James Blake.
I thought you were going to say James Bond.
jordan holmes
No, James Blake, he's a British dude who does what you would call almost a rhythm and dub.
You know, like, imagine a pure-toned, breathy voice.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
Over really slowed down dub music.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
It's very strange.
dan friesen
I'm hearing words.
jordan holmes
It is really good.
It's really good.
It's difficult to describe, but it's really good.
dan friesen
It sounds interesting, but a lot of the words you're using to describe it, I also would need you to define them.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Let me put it this way.
Have you ever heard Send It On by D 'Angelo?
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
It's one of the greatest songs ever made.
dan friesen
Of course.
jordan holmes
Okay, fine.
Then never mind!
dan friesen
All right.
jordan holmes
Just listen to the song.
dan friesen
Fine.
Yeah.
Jordan, today we are checking in on October 29th, 2021.
Line check.
It is, you know, it's Friday's episode from last week.
Sure.
jordan holmes
We're in the present.
dan friesen
We thought, hey, let's look into it.
It's kind of like me got my arm behind my back here twisting my arm because I want to have a spooktacular.
We're going to have a Halloween spooktacular.
But here we are in the present day.
We'll just have to live with it.
But first, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks out there.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's a great idea.
dan friesen
So first, Dan and Jordan never mentioned my mailbag gift of green Russian soda.
I hope it was still enjoyed.
I think it was.
I seem to recall.
Sorry about that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, sorry.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, though.
You're a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Next, Bill from Toronto.
Got a nice message from Bill from Toronto.
It turns out he heard about the show from a neighbor, which that's community.
jordan holmes
That is community.
dan friesen
That's what we're talking about.
jordan holmes
I've never considered that a neighbor might give me any recommendations for anything.
dan friesen
Especially a weirdo podcast.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
So thank you to Bill in Toronto and, honorarily, your neighbor.
You're both policy wonks.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you!
dan friesen
I've been working on the railroad.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Also, this one's going to be tough for me to...
jordan holmes
That took a lot to resist.
dan friesen
All the live long day?
jordan holmes
It took a lot for me not to follow up with it.
dan friesen
Remarkable restraint.
jordan holmes
I know.
dan friesen
So I think...
I'm going to probably butcher this pronunciation, but I'm going to try.
Next, make-a-nificent.
It's a maleficent kind of thing, but with a make...
jordan holmes
Mac-a-nificent?
unidentified
Something like that.
jordan holmes
Make-a-nificent?
dan friesen
Make-a-nificent?
You're not a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much!
dan friesen
Thank you.
And we got two technocrats out there in the mix to shout out.
So first, Lizzie Bones.
Thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
And Tim, happy belated birthday.
Trevin Clay, thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
Crikey, mate.
That's fantastic.
Have yourself a brew.
How's your 401k doing, bro?
All right, we got to go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, all right?
Let's just get down to business.
We ain't making that money off that heroin.
Why are you pimp so good?
My neck is freakishly large.
I declare Infowar on you.
dan friesen
Thank you so much!
jordan holmes
Yes, thank you very much!
dan friesen
I also like how Tim snuck in that birthday shout-out by pretending it was a nickname.
Sneaky.
jordan holmes
There's always a loophole.
Anytime we try and close one door, they open a window.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, I was really committed to the whole thing of no more birthday shout-outs, but it turns out...
alex jones
You're a traitor, Dan!
unidentified
Oh, God, no.
jordan holmes
Oh, God, no.
This is the end.
This is the end for us.
dan friesen
I like to look across the table and see a miserable through it.
All right, so here we go.
We're going to start at the beginning of the episode, and Alex has some COVID-related news.
Heart attack-related COVID news.
alex jones
So let me just show you this little stack, and we'll go into this more.
This is just today.
From all over local newspapers around the country, doctors remember.
They're telling you to remember.
Nobody now suddenly is too young for a heart attack.
They say suddenly above 12-year-olds have all been having heart attacks all over the Western world.
And they say we don't know why in NPR stories and ABC stories and these others just say it's just a new thing.
Just get used to it.
Oh, and strokes and blood clots in the lungs.
But no one knows what it is.
dan friesen
So this is a headline that Alex is reading from the Times of India, not from local papers all over the United States.
jordan holmes
That is unsurprising.
dan friesen
And he's entirely misrepresenting the point of the article.
Alex wants this to be something related to COVID vaccine side effects, but that's not what the article is actually even about at all.
This is more or less an op-ed about the fact that while we often think of heart attacks as something that only affects older people, younger folks do experience heart attacks and heart conditions too, just at a lower rate.
And the general reasons cited in this article have nothing to do with vaccines.
Quote, while conventionally vices were blamed for heart disease, youth in their 20s and 30s today face the risk of developing heart disease due to their sedentary lifestyle, stress, and diet.
jordan holmes
I would have added pollution, but I'm going to guess the Times of India doesn't want to add that one on there.
dan friesen
You could throw that in if you like.
jordan holmes
Yeah, maybe.
dan friesen
If you read the article, this discussion is not about a phenomenon we're just seeing since COVID.
Quote, In the last seven and a half years, Goa Medical College has treated about 7,400 heart patients.
Of these, 4.1% were less than 40 years of age and 21% under 50. This article even discusses this as an issue that's particularly more severe in the Goa area in India because, quote, a high incidence of diabetes among the Goan population could be one of the reasons why more people in their youth are detected with a heart condition.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
The reality is just that even before COVID vaccines were a thing that we knew would exist, or even COVID was a thing we knew would exist, the rates of heart attacks in young people were on the rise.
Quote, Although Americans are suffering fewer heart attacks as a whole, the rate of heart attacks for people under 40 is increasing.
That was from a Cleveland Clinic article published on April 26, 2019.
The article discusses many of the same variables as that Times of India article.
Sedentary lifestyles, compounded issues from diabetes, and increases in general stress among the population.
This is just a subject that the medical community has been discussing and paying attention to for years.
Alex is just taking headlines that reflect a long-standing concern and lying about them to use them as a weapon in his anti-vax propaganda.
jordan holmes
All of a sudden, people have been studying this thing for the past several, five, seven, ten years and have started saying things like pay attention to it and, uh, I mean, it's COVID, obviously.
It's obviously COVID.
dan friesen
It predates COVID, but yeah.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, they're ten years behind.
dan friesen
Sure.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Great.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
So anyway, Alex has more on this headline, and then he digs even deeper into a sad hole.
jordan holmes
Oh, get there.
dan friesen
Sad reported hole.
jordan holmes
Get into that hole.
alex jones
And I've got the articles here and the screenshots from around the world.
But when I see a screenshot, I just don't believe it.
I went and followed it through on all these, and these are indeed everywhere.
In fact, a friend of mine sent me a text from Dallas, and it's on the side of the buses there.
But here it is.
Doctors remember, now nobody's too young for a heart attack.
Wow!
It's a new and improved, wonderful thing.
And what do they report all over the Western world?
Massive increases in heart attacks and blood clots in the young.
Oh!
Spotted in Whitby on Durham Transit.
Are they normalizing this?
dan friesen
So Alex there at the end, he's reporting on a meme that one of his employees saw on Twitter.
This is a picture of a bus with a decal on the side saying, quote, kids have strokes too, know the warning signs.
This has a caption that Alex was reading that was added to the image that says, quote, spotted in Whitby on Durham Transit.
Are they normalizing on what's to come?
So the argument is that like more kids are going to have strokes.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And they're trying to make that normal.
jordan holmes
Right.
So if I understand correctly.
Somebody.
Probably in Whitby.
Or nearby.
dan friesen
Right.
A globalist in Whitby.
jordan holmes
Took a picture of a completely innocuous.
Just, hey, health is important.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
And then turned it into a right-wing meme to disparage the COVID vaccine and tell everybody they're going to die.
dan friesen
And to sort of demonstrate or allow people like Alex to demonstrate that they're telling you that kids have strokes in order to make you not worried when kids do have strokes.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they can just turn anything into bullshit, can't they?
dan friesen
And this is bullshit for a couple of reasons.
The first is that this picture that's used in the meme is undated.
So honestly, who's to say if it's even a recent image?
Could have been a decal that was run for a public health campaign in 20...
No, I couldn't have.
The second reason is that that decal includes a link to people who paid for the ad.
It's an organization called Achieving Beyond Brain Injury.
This group was started by two mothers who met because their sons had strokes early in life, which prompted them to create an advocacy and awareness group to help other parents who were in the situation that they were in and help parents know the warning signs, as the bus to Cal said.
Rebecca DeMano's son was 14 when he had a stroke on April 12, 2018.
Nadine Vermillion's son was 10 when he had a stroke on February 28, 2015.
Along with raising awareness and trying to help families with children affected by strokes, the organization is really about the bigger picture of youths who have suffered brain-related injuries.
For instance, many of their scholarship recipients this year had trauma-related brain injuries, like Eric, who was hit by a bus.
Strokes in young people, it's not a new phenomenon, and the work these mothers are trying to do with achieving beyond brain injury is really admirable stuff, because...
There's a very important variable that's brought up in this 2015 article in the journal Vascular Health and Risk Management.
Quote, strokes in young adults are reported as being uncommon, comprising 10-15% of all stroke patients.
However, compared with strokes in older adults, stroke in the young has disproportionately large economic impact by leaving victims disabled before their most productive years.
So anyway, this organization dedicated to helping make sure that children who suffered brain injuries don't get left behind, they put an ad on a bus in Canada, and somebody took a picture of it, which is now being used as anti-COVID vaccination.
Yeah, you know, sometimes when they're inventive towards their bullshitting, It can be kind of fun or interesting.
jordan holmes
In this situation, this is just fucking sad.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
This is sad all across the board.
Everybody doing things is sad.
The exploitation is sad.
dan friesen
It's lazy.
jordan holmes
Everything is bad.
Yeah, this is awful.
dan friesen
Yeah, and the group that's actually behind this billboard is, from all indications that I can find, doing really important work.
jordan holmes
Oh, of course.
dan friesen
And the only end result of this is maybe targeting...
jordan holmes
Oh, hey, look at this guy, though.
alex jones
Everything's okay.
This is the Times of India.
Biggest publication and the second most populous country in the world.
Pune Rajkumar, very popular A-list movie star over there in Bollywood.
He got his first dose of the COVID-19 vaccine, and then he got his second one recently.
And hey, he's doing fine, folks.
Oh, no, he died of a heart attack at 46 years old yesterday.
Oh, but hey, too many people, right?
dan friesen
What?
alex jones
Weird.
jordan holmes
That's a really...
Odd way to end that.
dan friesen
It is.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So the passing of Puneet Rajkumar is a sad bit of news.
He's a very popular actor and only 46 when he died from a heart attack.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
However, Alex is lying and making shit up in order to use this dead man's memory as a prop for his anti-vex propaganda.
You see, Puneet Rajkumar was a huge star, so it struck me as a little weird to imagine that he was just now getting the vaccine.
He's also a really public face for healthy living, so this didn't sit right with me at all.
If you look into this for even a second, you'll find that he got his first dose of the vaccine on April 7th, 2021.
I know this because he tweeted a picture of himself getting vaccinated.
unidentified
Hmm.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but you can't believe screenshots like that.
Was there a date on there?
dan friesen
Well, I mean, it had to have been prior to April 7th, 2020.
He can't time travel.
jordan holmes
All right.
Well, now we're talking.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So...
I also know that by June, Paneeth was helping the Indian government by appearing in PSAs about the importance of public health measures, including getting vaccinated.
I guess I can't definitively prove when he got his second dose, but Alex is presenting no evidence, and he's expecting me to believe that one of the highest-paid actors in India got the first shot in April, then worked as a vaccination awareness ambassador, and somehow didn't get the second dose until late October?
jordan holmes
You get busy!
dan friesen
Shit doesn't fly.
jordan holmes
You get busy, Dan!
It's life!
dan friesen
Right.
Also a small point, but not every movie made in India is a Bollywood movie.
Bollywood tends to refer to the movie industry in Mumbai, which was formerly known as Bombay, Bombay.
Bombay, Hollywood makes Bollywood.
Pruneet Rajkumar was from the south of India, and he was more associated with the Kanata movie scene, and he was insane.
Oh, oh, also, the other thing that he was known for was being the son of the insanely famous actor Dr. Rajkumar.
He was an actor, but he went by a doctor.
And incidentally, he died of a heart attack, which illustrates a family history and factor for Pruneet to have...
You know, higher incidence or higher likelihood of having a heart attack.
jordan holmes
Seems like there are many, many, many explanations and zero of them are the vaccine.
dan friesen
Right.
Alex is a monster.
He's just willing to make shit up about people who die as long as the story of their death is something he can profit off of.
It's a real piece of shit.
Real piece of shit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, man, this is harsh.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
This is harsh out the gate.
dan friesen
Yeah, and it gets worse.
jordan holmes
Jesus!
alex jones
Oh, hey!
How about that top radio host?
He got the shots.
He's dead of a heart attack too, but...
That's just yesterday, too.
But, hey, no big deal.
Radio legend dies suddenly.
I've reached his second shot.
And it goes on.
But, hey, let's not listen to that.
That's all just anecdotal.
dan friesen
It's not even anecdotal, it's just not true.
So Alex is lying about another beloved celebrity's death in order to make this shitty argument better.
In this case, it's Australian broadcaster Russell Wolfe, who died in his sleep on October 26th.
At this point, I don't believe that the exact cause of death is public or known, so I can't really speak to that.
Anti-vax protesters have used Wolfe's death as an argument against the vaccine, but Alex is also just making shit up.
Wolf himself tweeted that he got the second dose of the AstraZeneca vaccine on August 19th, over two months prior to his passing.
There's no evidence at all to suggest that his death and the vaccination are related in any way.
This is just disgusting stuff.
I'm listening to this episode and I'm like, I want to kick the episode.
jordan holmes
Yeah, man, that's...
How do you do that?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
You know, sometimes it's like you intellectually, I know he's a narcissistic psychopath who has no care for other lives.
You know, it's just him.
It's just him, right?
But I can't emotionally get into a place where I'm like, you know what I'll do?
I'll lie about this person's death to kill more people.
dan friesen
Yeah, like how would Alex feel if someone lied about one of his loved ones' death or something like that in order to advance some kind of spurious argument?
It's just repulsive behavior.
And you know what?
I was experiencing this and I'm like, alright.
The time window to have a spooktacular is pretty short.
jordan holmes
It's not long.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I mean, like, even this episode is coming out in November.
jordan holmes
It's coming out the day after the spooktacular has already ended.
dan friesen
Now, I might be able to release this episode a little bit earlier, so some people can listen to it on a Halloween evening.
jordan holmes
Trying to grab a little bit of that nighttime Halloween magic.
dan friesen
Right.
Maybe some people, you know, we have an audience that's adults.
Maybe some people who don't have kids, they might want to enjoy a Halloween episode.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So here's where I would...
jordan holmes
Put on the Monster Mash.
Don't do that.
And our episodes simultaneously, they sync up.
It's Pink Floyd all over again.
dan friesen
You gotta listen to the monster fuck.
This is the point where if I was a professional, I would add a lightning sound effect and then...
So I was creeping around on Alex's website.
I was going through old screenshots on the Wayback Machine and the archives.
And I found an interview that is long buried.
I'd never seen this before.
This page is almost unaccessible.
jordan holmes
It's very difficult to find.
dan friesen
This is an interview with a guy named David Benoit.
Here's the title of the interview.
Author of 14 Things Witches Hope Parents Never Find Out About the Occult and the Real Meaning of Halloween, Bringing America to Its Knees.
jordan holmes
Well, Dan, we've got a winner.
dan friesen
Yes, we do.
unidentified
So, fuck Alex Jones on the 29th.
jordan holmes
Holy shit!
Thank God, you were really getting me scared.
dan friesen
I know.
jordan holmes
It was a spooktacular for me.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, we're going to go back to Halloween 2002.
jordan holmes
Ooh, that's the shit.
dan friesen
October 30th, 2002.
We have Alex Jones having an interview with a guy who's written a book about the 14 things witches don't want you to know.
jordan holmes
I want to know.
Exactly what each 14 are.
dan friesen
Can I actually disabuse you of that notion?
alex jones
Damn it!
dan friesen
You will not find out what these 14 are.
jordan holmes
Will I find out any of them?
unidentified
Um...
jordan holmes
No!
Come on!
dan friesen
I mean, keep notes.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
Maybe.
dan friesen
You might find some things.
jordan holmes
Alright, okay.
dan friesen
So here's where Alex begins the proceedings.
alex jones
It's real radio, folks, going wherever the truth leads us, exposing the globalists and all of their criminal activities.
And every time I follow one of their rat holes, I find the occult.
Whether it's Skull and Bones or Bohemian Grove or what we see with the rock and roll music in our society glorifying the devil, it's a real thing.
But now we see Day of the Dead in California, the Aztec holiday of human sacrifice with black altars.
Being worshipped, we hear about these different occult religions exploding.
Meanwhile, being promoted in the public schools, and we're told Christianity is a bad thing, and don't talk about Jesus.
Hawks don't let the New World Order cram you into a box.
dan friesen
Yeah, man.
So I guess you can't evangelize at school.
Or you can.
Yeah.
unidentified
I mean, when I was in school, they had the, like...
dan friesen
Meet you at the flag thing.
jordan holmes
Oh, they did non-stop prayer where I was.
dan friesen
Yeah, there was quite a bit of it.
It's just not, you know, the school isn't supposed to have, like, coordinated, organized religious activities.
Yeah.
Yeah, so I guess it's the New World Order.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, you know, I was going to say that he shouldn't bring Christianity into it because Christianity seems to be the one trying to terrify people about imaginary witches, whereas witches are just kind of fine.
dan friesen
Yeah, they're just hanging out.
jordan holmes
They're just hanging out.
They can't actually do magic, Dan.
dan friesen
We don't know that.
jordan holmes
Yes, we do!
dan friesen
Harry Potter is a guidebook.
unidentified
Damn it!
dan friesen
So, I would probably actually be a little bit uncomfortable doing this episode if we hadn't made some progress in the 2003 stuff, because we know that in 2003 he does believe he's fighting the literal devil.
jordan holmes
The literal Christian devil.
dan friesen
He's hiding it a little bit more than he does in the present.
jordan holmes
It's more oblique.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And we also know that he...
Fucking thinks that Harry Potter and witches are real.
So, with those pieces of information, we can now do this Halloween interview.
I wish this whole episode was available, but it's just this interview.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's disappointing.
dan friesen
Unfortunately.
jordan holmes
Because he's already yelling about rock and roll.
I want to see, how does he feel about Geddy Lee?
How does he feel about Rush?
Give me more specifics on who's the devil worshippers.
dan friesen
Well, to be fair, they're prog.
They're less rock and roll.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, that's...
dan friesen
That's true.
Probably thinks that everybody who's into Prague is a weirdo.
jordan holmes
That's true.
No demon worshipping.
What do you guys listen to?
dan friesen
They're probably animists because they have a song about the trees.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
There's unrest in the forest.
There's trouble with the trees.
jordan holmes
And all the music videos would prove they worshipped the devil in some way.
dan friesen
Sure.
Limelight.
That was all about the devil.
All about the devil.
But then again, I will choose free will.
Alex loves free will.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but so does the devil.
We wouldn't be able to follow the devil if it weren't for free will.
dan friesen
Right.
Good point.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
That is a good point, Dan.
I have made it.
dan friesen
So, Alex has this guest, David Benoit.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
Now, I am joined today by a man who came highly recommended by a local pastor here in Austin, David Benoit.
And we've got a link to his website on Infowars.com.
He has, since the mid-80s, been focusing in on the occult and studying Halloween and the rest of it.
And you can go to the Encyclopedia Britannica and read that it's a human sacrifice day of Samhain in the Germanic and Visigoth and Gaul kingdoms in Western Europe thousands of years ago, right through to modern day, of course, in England.
dan friesen
I don't know if all the traditions of a thousand years ago...
Anyway, I was curious about this cat, David Benoit.
So I decided to look into him.
jordan holmes
Let's take a look.
dan friesen
Here's what his bio says.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Quote, in June of 1984, David was led of the Lord to establish Glory Ministries as an evangelist.
When David began, the emphasis of Glory Ministries was to expose the truth of the damaging effects of rock music on society.
The only solution being regeneration by Jesus Christ.
jordan holmes
Man, he was only a few years away from correctly hating rap music.
dan friesen
Right, right.
One of the things that's so fun about that...
Backstory is that it's really specific.
This is June 1984, so we can definitely tell what was on the charts back then.
The music industry is really into themselves, so they leave a lot of evidence.
jordan holmes
Yeah, what are we talking about?
We got 84, I'd say.
June 84. I'd say Flock of Seagulls is up there.
dan friesen
Nope.
Top 25. I don't think so.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So three songs made it to number one in the charts in that month.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
June 1984.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
You're never going to be able to guess that.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Let's hear it for the boy from the Footloose soundtrack.
unidentified
Let's hear it for the ball!
jordan holmes
Okay, fine.
Why did I ever have hope in humanity?
The Footloose soundtrack is number one.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Let's hear it for the boy.
jordan holmes
All right, fine.
dan friesen
Not even Footloose.
Not even Kenny Loggins.
jordan holmes
Fine, fine, fine.
dan friesen
Denise Williams.
Not the other song.
One of the other songs that made it number one was Time After Time by Cyndi Lauper.
jordan holmes
Oh, well, I mean, yeah.
Can't go wrong.
dan friesen
And The Reflex by Duran Duran.
None of that shit sounds too satanic, so maybe we should look at May.
Because maybe what happened in May caused him to jump off the ledge in June.
jordan holmes
Sure, I mean, he's not checking the charts ever.
Every week, you know.
dan friesen
But he probably has a sense of...
jordan holmes
He's got a vibe.
dan friesen
Anyway, in May, here are the things that made it to number one.
Lionel Richie was making waves with Hello.
jordan holmes
Oh, that was great.
unidentified
Hello!
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Later on used as a hook for one of the best Busta Rhyme songs.
dan friesen
Uh, give me some O. No, Hello.
Oh.
Phil Collins was setting the world on fire, doing three weeks at the top of the charts with Against All Odds.
unidentified
Jesus Christ.
jordan holmes
I'm gonna be honest with you.
I don't like Phil Collins.
dan friesen
I do.
But we can agree to disagree.
We can.
So I decided to look at the entire Hot 100 from the weeks relevant to this possible conversion.
And here are the songs that I think are possible that made David into a devil fever.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Sister Christian by Night Ranger.
jordan holmes
Okay, I can see Night Ranger doing it.
dan friesen
It's got Christian in the name.
jordan holmes
Night Ranger could do it, though.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
They've got the skills.
dan friesen
I want to break free by Queen, because Freddie Mercury is gay.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but I mean, that's just too good.
Even in the 80s, everybody hated gay people, but they're like, Freddie fucking Mercury, man.
dan friesen
I don't know, I think David's the kind of guy who could be afraid of a lot.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And then here's the only other one I could think of, maybe.
And that's The Heart of Rock and Roll by Huey Lewis and the News, and that's because The Heart of Rock and Roll is still beating.
Which implies that it's a zombie.
jordan holmes
Right, that's true.
That's true.
dan friesen
And that's of the devil.
jordan holmes
If Huey Lewis is the one who's like, we can't, I gotta stop the devil music, then you're too far gone.
You're too far gone.
dan friesen
So as I looked a little bit more into this guy's bio, I found this nugget.
Quote, David has the rare ability to communicate his message to young people as well as to parents using humor and interesting facts.
So...
That might bias me going into this interview that I'm expecting someone with humor and good facts.
jordan holmes
He better have humor and good facts.
dan friesen
Someone who I think could connect with the kids.
jordan holmes
You know who doesn't ever connect with the kids?
A Christian who says they can connect with the kids with humor and good facts.
dan friesen
And who's scared of the devil rock.
jordan holmes
And who's scared of music.
Just say you're scared of all music.
dan friesen
Yeah, why not?
jordan holmes
Yeah!
Just gonna put on some Bach?
dan friesen
Oh my god, is that a bassoon?
Run!
jordan holmes
I don't do widwins larger than three feet!
dan friesen
Alex is real scared, and he has some stories about Halloween that, I don't know, I'd need a citation.
alex jones
It's a human sacrifice day of Samhain in the Germanic and Visigoth and Gaul kingdoms in Western Europe thousands of years ago, right through to modern day, of course, in England.
This is what's being celebrated.
It is a night of wickedness.
Children are kidnapped throughout this week, and then their dead bodies are found and put in the back of the newspaper.
In the days after Halloween years later they find their little skeletons in many cases.
This is a serious issue.
dan friesen
So this is running rampant, apparently.
Kids are being kidnapped in the lead-up to Halloween.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
And then their little skeletons are found, and it's covered up in the back of the newspaper.
jordan holmes
It's so sad.
But the idea of little skeletons coming back to life on Halloween is a little cute.
You gotta admit that.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
jordan holmes
Jumping up out of the ground, just kind of being like, hey!
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think that if this is covered up in the back of the newspaper, Alex should be able to find those articles from the back of the newspaper and put some pieces together to make a specific case.
jordan holmes
Can you cover something up if you publish it in your newspaper?
dan friesen
Hidden in plain sight, baby.
jordan holmes
Now, I understand why you would say hidden in plain sight, because you think it's in plain sight and people don't pay attention to it, so it must be hidden.
However, it is still there.
It is not hidden whatsoever.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I just need more information from Alex.
I think this might just be a...
Fear thing.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I do want to make sure everybody knows there is no shame in pronouncing it Samhain.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
It's written like that.
I get it.
dan friesen
Fine.
jordan holmes
I never heard it out loud until I was like 15 or whatever.
Of course you don't know how it's pronounced.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
jordan holmes
Not your fault.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Not your fault!
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Now there is shame.
In giving kids those weird orange or brown wrapped taffy things that are like peanut butter, those are disgusting.
jordan holmes
If you're going to give one of those kids, you might as well put a razor blade in there because it's just as garbage.
dan friesen
I would rather almost because I probably wouldn't eat the razor blade and then I'd have a lawsuit.
If I have one of those peanut butter candies, I'm just gonna be mad.
jordan holmes
Didn't people think they were putting razor blades in apples for a while?
dan friesen
I think that was kind of, yeah, one of the folklore kind of things.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
The old wives tales, as it were.
jordan holmes
How funny is that?
Somebody's like, kids are getting hurt because they're eating apples on Halloween.
dan friesen
Sure.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Good call.
dan friesen
Yeah, I can't think of a single person that I know who would have gotten an apple, even like a caramel apple or something, and not thrown it away.
The best apple in the world!
jordan holmes
Just been like, this is the wrong...
dan friesen
I want a Twix.
jordan holmes
If this doesn't have a razor blade in it, I don't care.
dan friesen
So, you might ask, and I think a lot of people ask, what's up with Halloween?
unidentified
What's the deal?
jordan holmes
What is the deal?
dan friesen
Well, Benoit has some thoughts.
alex jones
Right now, though, we're joined by David Benoit of Glory Ministries.
It's great to have you on the Worldwide Broadcast.
david benoit
Thank you very much, Alex.
I'm glad to be here, brother.
alex jones
Absolutely.
Halloween, what is it?
What's it all about?
david benoit
Well, you know, the basic premise of Halloween is that witches believe that the veil between the natural and the supernatural is that it sent us during that time so they can communicate with the dead.
And I find it quite interesting that it used to be that Halloween, you could tell when Halloween was coming because you'd see horror films and death movies and stuff, but now it's 24 hours a day, seven days a week around our country.
And talking to the dead is not something that's new.
It's something that even Saul practiced, went to the Witch of Endor.
alex jones
So now we have murder, blood, rape, pillage, 24-7, all over television, being desensitized to this.
And so we hear about all these wicked things happening, and it's okay.
Unless they want our guns, then they'll play the fear up.
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
Wow!
jordan holmes
That was a sharp turn.
dan friesen
Yeah, that was strange.
jordan holmes
I got whiplash from that one.
dan friesen
You're mad at the witches about Second Amendment issues.
jordan holmes
I think we just got hit with the...
I think I just got T-boned with an idea.
dan friesen
I do think that it's pretty impressive to be able to combine a conversation about how witches can talk to other worlds on Halloween and gun rights.
jordan holmes
How in the world, how are we, how is everybody just talking about it like, well, witches believe that it's when the veil between things, and everybody's talked to spirits before.
That's just a regular old thing.
Saul talked to the witch.
None of this is real!
dan friesen
I just had an interesting thought.
If you are somebody who legitimately believes that witches are around and they can do magic, you should know that your gun's not gonna be effective against them.
Like, you should recognize that gun rights are meaningless if you're up against witches.
jordan holmes
Um, well, I think...
dan friesen
What if the government got a team of witches?
Like, you're not gonna be able to overthrow the government.
They can do magic.
You're now gonna need to learn magic.
jordan holmes
I really think that people don't quite understand what the implications of magic being real are.
dan friesen
Trust me, I do.
I've thought about this.
jordan holmes
I have thought about it quite a bit as well.
And it is very silly.
It's very silly.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
It's very silly.
I want to know which 14 things witches don't want me to know.
dan friesen
I think they don't want you to know that they're opposed to gun rights?
jordan holmes
I imagine that.
I swear to God, I would bet 500 bucks right now that the number one thing is that witches are real.
dan friesen
Yeah, probably.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I would bet a million dollars.
dan friesen
I don't know if this guy's book is actually called like the 14 things or whatever.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
14 simple rules for dating a witch.
jordan holmes
14 habits of highly effective witches?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know.
And based on his interview, I don't think I would want to read a book by him anyway.
jordan holmes
No, I don't.
dan friesen
He seems afraid in this next clip of high school kids.
jordan holmes
Well, I thought it could connect to them with you.
david benoit
This is from San Mateo County Times, and it's Friday, September 27, 2002.
A high school Satanism club.
parents'outrage.
Upon themselves the Satanic Thought Society, co-president of the club, James Doolittle, admits that he originally started the club with a friend, Matt Heaney, to rifle things up a bit.
But now...
That the two juniors have studied the teachings of Anton LaVey, founder of the Satanic Church.
They say that Satanism helps people express themselves.
It's Satanism's purpose to turn man's back into the natural state, not have to be corrupt by religion.
alex jones
I saw a Post-Gazette article yesterday where it says the Wiccan religion is exploding in the public schools and being promoted.
How does Harry Potter and the deep occult teachings there, how does this feed into this explosion?
dan friesen
Oh no.
We're back on Harry Potter.
jordan holmes
I 100% remember this.
I remember people shitting a brick about Wiccans.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
How funny was that?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
God, and now he's just combining Harry Potter with Wiccans, just being like, hey, if they believe magic, they definitely can't tell the difference between Wiccans and Harry fucking Potter, right?
dan friesen
Yeah, I get nothing against people who are interested in...
Something like Wicca or whatever.
I don't begrudge.
Hey, I love the craft.
I would argue, though, that these kids that this guy Benoit is talking about, who had a Satanism club, they started it just to fuck with people.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
He clearly said that.
Just rifled things up a bit.
jordan holmes
Literally said, I wanted to fuck with people.
dan friesen
And then they found that they had some good lessons in there or whatever.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
I'm gonna guess that that is a dismount from the club.
You know what I mean?
I'm going to guess that these guys are not Satanists after graduation.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
I would even go so far as to say that if someone in the first quote says, we started this club to fuck with things, and then in the second quote says, we believe all of it now, you might still be getting fucked with, you moron!
dan friesen
It's possible.
And the presentation that Benoit wants to make is that they're saying they believe in all of it, it's all wonderful.
And that's not even what that quote is saying.
jordan holmes
No.
They did not say, actually, the devil's real and we love him.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I am not worried about high schoolers having weird fun clubs.
jordan holmes
Slippery slope, Dan.
You let high schoolers have one slippery slope fun club with the devil.
Next thing you know, they're reading critical race theory and it's all over for the rest of us.
dan friesen
I think that if I went to high school with them, I might care.
You think?
Not much.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But it would be something that would be interesting to me.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
Outside of that, I don't care at all.
unidentified
No, no, no.
dan friesen
So I went to Hickman High School in Columbia, and Rockbridge was the other high school.
If there was a Satanism club over at Rockbridge, I wouldn't care.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Not my business.
jordan holmes
How many generations of adults freaking out about what isolated children are doing thousands of miles away from them is going to eventually be like, oh, maybe...
This is dumb.
dan friesen
This is a show in Texas where adults are talking about high schoolers in San Mateo, California, a place they probably didn't realize existed.
jordan holmes
Perhaps in this situation, those children are more adults than we.
dan friesen
Maybe.
Yeah.
At least these ding-dongs.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
So anyway, witches are protected by the government.
I don't know if you knew that.
david benoit
You have to understand that witchcraft is a 501c3 taxism status.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry, what now?
david benoit
It means you cannot discriminate.
You cannot hire or fire a person because of their religious status.
If they say they're a witch and they apply and you say, I'm not going to hire you because you're a witch, that's discrimination, religious discrimination.
alex jones
But with faith-based initiative, if that goes through, then the Christian churches will have to hire witches.
david benoit
Oh, absolutely.
dan friesen
Okay.
All right.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
To be a fly on the wall of people whose largest problem is witches.
dan friesen
Getting jobs.
jordan holmes
Getting jobs.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You're not even allowed to fire someone just because they say they're a witch.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I mean, like, you know, the same rules that protect...
People who have religious beliefs or religious identifications, like being a witch, are the exact same rules that protect people who are Christians.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it is wild how when a religion gets to put its boot on the neck of other religions, they're like...
Religious protections are terrible!
But when they've got the boot on their neck, they go, we need religious protection!
It's so weird!
dan friesen
And we're not getting it because of the witches.
jordan holmes
It's because of the witches!
It's definitely not because of us!
dan friesen
So we get back to Harry Potter, shockingly.
I don't know if this is true, because I don't remember Harry Potter.
I'm sorry if this is true, but it just sounds really dumb.
david benoit
And see, here's the thing with Harry Potter, is I've got a whole...
A lot of stuff on Harry Potter.
As a matter of fact, I've got a brand new book out entitled Entertaining Spirits Unaware, and I do talk about Harry Potter.
You know, four of his professors are dead.
And as a matter of fact, I show in my presentation how easy it is for a child to go from Harry Potter's website all the way right into real witchcraft.
unidentified
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
dan friesen
Wait, wait, wait, wait.
unidentified
Uh, okay.
dan friesen
I know that some of them do die.
Like, Dumbledore does die.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
And, like, Snape dies, right?
jordan holmes
Uh, no.
dan friesen
Oh, he kills Dumbledore, though, right?
jordan holmes
Well, Snape dies in the final book, but he kills Dumbledore, but because Dumbledore told him to, he's actually secretly...
dan friesen
I understand.
jordan holmes
It's a whole thing.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there's a redemption arc.
dan friesen
The John Cleese ghost, I remember from the first one.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, that one was great.
dan friesen
Yeah, he's dead.
jordan holmes
Uh, he is...
unidentified
Because he's a ghost.
Well...
jordan holmes
Is he?
unidentified
I don't know.
dan friesen
We're four out of the five professors dead.
jordan holmes
Well, okay, so...
unidentified
Because I don't think they were.
jordan holmes
No, the curse is just that every dark arts professor can only be there for a year.
dan friesen
Right, because Voldemort cursed the...
jordan holmes
Yeah, but I mean, so the fuck what?
dan friesen
Wait, wait, wait.
So four out of the five dark arts professors are dead?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Oh.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they just die.
dan friesen
Right.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, but you can't have five dark arts professors at the same time.
jordan holmes
No, you cannot.
dan friesen
Yeah, so actually one is still alive, but will later be dead.
jordan holmes
Furthermore, if we're going to start treating this as a problem, that four out of the...
Professors are dead.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
We must also admit that ghosts are available to just about anybody at any time.
dan friesen
Ghosts are in play.
jordan holmes
Ghosts are in play, so nobody's really dead.
dan friesen
I do think that it is strange that he's concerned about these characters being dead and Harry being able to talk to the dead because you can easily go from Harry Potter's website to real witchcraft.
jordan holmes
Oh yeah, it takes no time.
dan friesen
And then you can talk to the dead.
jordan holmes
That's how it works.
I'm frustrated.
I'm frustrated by this.
dan friesen
Why?
jordan holmes
Because I feel like...
dan friesen
I'm delighted.
jordan holmes
If you couldn't talk to the dead...
That's a no-brainer!
Right.
Christianity's not offering me talking to the dead?
I gotta wait for that shit?
Fuck that!
Give me a couple weeks of a course, I want the Harry Potter website, I want the Wiccan book, and I want to talk to the dead.
dan friesen
You know what the problem with talking to the dead, though?
jordan holmes
What's that?
dan friesen
It's a crapshoot.
Like, some of the people you're gonna talk to are really boring.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
dan friesen
Just because you're dead doesn't make you more interesting than you were in life.
Like, you think it's all, like, these philosophers and, like...
jordan holmes
Tell us what the 1500s were like.
We worked 18 hours a day and then I died.
dan friesen
I couldn't breathe.
jordan holmes
What was the Industrial Revolution like?
Choking to death.
dan friesen
I was a child laborer.
I died at 10 when a machine fell on me.
Thank you for creating our modern world.
jordan holmes
Let's talk to the dead.
I'm the kid who discovered maybe we should bring a canary with us into the coal mine.
dan friesen
Actually, I think some of those kids might actually be interesting to talk to.
I'm just saying that some people are dullards, and that's fine.
jordan holmes
Didn't read too much when they were live.
dan friesen
So look, if you don't read, particularly Harry Potter, you're good.
jordan holmes
Sorry, we're treating Harry Potter as real.
dan friesen
Very much so.
jordan holmes
We've got to get into the headspace of somebody who's like, Harry Potter's real.
dan friesen
And at school, if you don't read Harry Potter, you fail.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
david benoit
I've talked to so many parents who've told me that in their classroom, they cannot eat.
If a child does not read Harry Potter books, they could pluck the prices.
alex jones
When you walk into Barnes and Nobles, Right at the main entrance of most of the stores, I've seen giant Harry Potter teaching aid kiosks with just hundreds of books piled up there, people grabbing them, snatching them.
It's amazing.
dan friesen
Yeah, sorry that it's a really popular book.
jordan holmes
I mean, yeah.
dan friesen
Also, we can solve that Barnes& Noble problem a different way until they're gone.
jordan holmes
Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
Yeah, you got what you wanted.
No more displays at Barnes& Noble.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know if I believe that if you don't read Harry Potter, you flunk.
Because I don't think that any school...
I find it tough to believe that a school would have Harry Potter be a mandatory piece of curriculum.
jordan holmes
Do you mean considering the fact that apparently half the parents at any given school believes that Harry Potter's real?
dan friesen
Also, it's casual reading.
It's good for a kid learning to read.
unidentified
Plot-driven.
dan friesen
But there's so many different...
It's not like this teaches math in a way that would, like, it's a textbook.
I find it difficult to believe that some teacher, if some kid was like, look, I'm not comfortable with reading this, oh, okay, why don't you read this instead?
I can't see that happening.
jordan holmes
You know, what's ironic about that is that for so long you do think, oh, this is just light, casual reading, but if you were to put that through a critical appreciation, you'd be like, Oh, she was a TERF all along.
Of course.
I should have just paid attention.
It was not casual reading at all.
dan friesen
And four out of the five TERFs in the book are dead.
jordan holmes
Dead!
That's because a gun rights deal.
dan friesen
Yeah, probably.
unidentified
So, I don't know.
dan friesen
Look, I didn't cut out that much from this interview.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But this doesn't make sense, even if you listen to the whole thing.
jordan holmes
Okay.
david benoit
You know, I read a story not long ago about a missionary.
Who led this woman to the Lord, and after leading her to the Lord, then what he did was he, she said, would you please talk to my husband because he needs to be saved.
So every morning he'd sit there and drink a cup of coffee with the man and share the gospel with him.
So he got deathly ill, and they went and did blood work, and the man said, the doctor said to the missionary, he said, are you working with rat poisoning?
He said, no, I'm not.
He said, then someone's rat poisoning you.
And what it was was the man he'd drink coffee with every day.
We just put a little sprinkle of rat poison in his cup.
Not enough to change the taste.
Not enough to cause a man to die right there.
Just little doses.
And I thought, that's exactly what our society is right now.
Little dose after little dose.
First it was Bewitched.
Then Sabrina the Teenage Witch.
Bewitched!
jordan holmes
Sabrina the Teenage Witch!
david benoit
Until now, Puppy the Vampire Slayer and everything else, charmed, and they're all available for our children.
And they...
alex jones
Well, look, I'm going to be honest.
I mean, I turn on the television at night.
We're talking 9 o 'clock at night, and it's two women conducting oral sex on a man in a hot tub on these date shows.
It's satanic stuff everywhere.
It's military on our streets.
I mean, this country is really turning in to a satanic slash Soviet-style system.
unidentified
What?
dan friesen
What?
Like, I get the metaphor that Benoit is...
I mean, that story is obviously...
jordan holmes
Death by a thousand cuts.
We can shorten it, but that's fine.
dan friesen
That story is obviously like something you read in a Christian pamphlet or something.
jordan holmes
Yes, 100%.
dan friesen
To make you scared of non-believers.
alex jones
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
But the metaphor is...
jordan holmes
He put a razor blade in the apple that the man was trying to eat, Dan.
dan friesen
Little by little, you get poisoned.
And he's saying that Bewitched is a little bit of poison.
Sabrina the Teenage Witch is a little bit of poison.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
I get that.
I just don't get the jump to...
jordan holmes
Military on the streets!
dan friesen
And even the shorter jump, I guess, is people getting sucked off in a hot tub.
jordan holmes
Yes.
That's the shortest jump there is.
dan friesen
Alex is mad about dating shows being a little bit over-sexualized.
I don't know.
I guess that is also satanic to Alex, which is strange.
jordan holmes
I'm gonna have to go with, if you're telling me, you know, like, it's Bewitched and Sabrina the Teenage Witch, it's all, they're just, it's the, you don't get to participate in culture anymore.
It's not for you.
It's not for you.
Maybe sometimes you just don't get it.
dan friesen
Shouldn't you also be scared of, like, Touched by an Angel?
jordan holmes
Everything.
dan friesen
Like, you should be scared of the Christian shows that are about supernatural shit.
jordan holmes
I mean, here's the problem.
The Christian shows that are about supernatural shit almost always wind up hand-waving things away with a very similar explanation to it was magic.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, there's a conspiracy afoot.
And that is that the schools want to give kids computers.
Now, some people might think that this is because technology is advancing and computer literacy is something that's pretty important for kids being able to navigate a lot of things.
Well, you know...
david benoit
One of the objectives of the school system is to make sure that every child has a computer and that every child has access to the Internet.
Well, here's what they want to tell you, Alex, is that if you type into your search engine the word witchcraft, 341,000 sites pop up for these children.
If you type in necromancy, it's talking to the dead, 13,400 sites.
And by the way, you've got John Edwards, who's supposed to talk to the dead.
dan friesen
Yes, Dan.
exposed to it.
Like, for instance, when I was a kid, I was exposed to the idea of telekinesis through the X-Men.
And holy shit, I wanted to do it.
I tried, and I couldn't, and I realized it's a fictional ability, and I was able to enjoy the X-Men in a different way.
jordan holmes
You got it completely wrong.
The thing is, the X-Men didn't give you a road map to learning how to do that, unlike Harry Potter, which teaches you how to do magic.
dan friesen
I would argue that Alex and David have not yet made it to the step that I crossed when I tried to do telekinesis.
I would say that they have a delay in this progression of understanding.
jordan holmes
How old were you?
When did X-Men first came out?
2003?
dan friesen
Yeah.
It was about last week.
jordan holmes
It was about last week.
dan friesen
I think this is really stupid.
jordan holmes
This is bad.
dan friesen
I think that you have to believe that kids can be turned into magic witches in order to be worried about this.
jordan holmes
Yes, they can.
dan friesen
Anyway, Alex, he's a guy who needs a respite.
You know, like, all this...
jordan holmes
Well, the military's on the streets, there's Soviet-style propaganda everywhere.
dan friesen
People getting blowies in a hot tub.
jordan holmes
Blowies in a hot tub and witches walking everywhere.
dan friesen
Everywhere.
jordan holmes
Government has them!
dan friesen
This is a guy who needs a break.
He needs a place that he can be safe.
jordan holmes
Okay.
david benoit
And then they also have another program on WGN, Beyond, and these people are supposed to communicate with the dead.
alex jones
Look, I can't even sit down with my wife now and watch.
A national dog show, because I like dog shows.
I like dogs.
unidentified
Yeah.
alex jones
And they'll go, we're calling in the Pet Psychic now.
david benoit
Oh, absolutely.
jordan holmes
What are we doing?
david benoit
Everything.
But you have to understand, as we're getting closer to the end of the ages, I kind of relate it to a football game or a basketball game.
You can always tell.
alex jones
You better believe it.
david benoit
You can see the intensity.
In the final inning, you can see the intensity in the last two minutes of a basketball-football game intensifies because they know that they only have a short time to get it done.
dan friesen
So 19 years ago, we were in the final innings of the game, and they were really trying to, you know, it was intensifying, the end was near.
jordan holmes
Christians do realize we've been in the fourth quarter overtime for several thousand years now.
dan friesen
Quite a while.
jordan holmes
It's been a long overtime.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I would argue we should end it.
dan friesen
End it in a tie!
jordan holmes
Jesus, hey, God and Satan tied.
Everything's fine.
We just move on.
It's like soccer rules.
dan friesen
That would be an interesting proposal to try and work out.
jordan holmes
I want to negotiate a draw.
dan friesen
I think it's a non-starter.
jordan holmes
I'm going to negotiate a draw between God and the devil.
dan friesen
I bet the devil would take that.
jordan holmes
I think it's a great deal.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I think God should take it, too.
dan friesen
Yeah.
He's going to be a holdout.
jordan holmes
Yeah, what's the point?
dan friesen
So, hey, you remember the man Michael Dukakis?
jordan holmes
Yes, I do remember a man in a tank looking very strong.
dan friesen
Do you think that he ever did anything overtly satanic?
jordan holmes
I don't know.
If getting in a tank is overtly satanic, I think Alex is also wrong.
dan friesen
He likes tanks.
They're just big guns.
No, he did do one thing.
Maybe we forgot about this.
david benoit
I've got a woman that I talk about in my presentation, and she's a witch from Laurie Cabot.
It was known as the Official Witch of Salem.
She was nominated as the Official Witch of Salem by Michael Dukakis when he was running for the President of the United States of America.
He said it would be good for his political campaign to nominate a witch.
Well, America's really hurting when you have to nominate a witch to be married to one to get in the White House.
jordan holmes
What?
alex jones
Well, it's amazing, but getting back to this, it's not just the Democrats.
unidentified
No, no.
david benoit
You know, also, it was very well known that Mrs. Reagan went to astrologers and things like that as well.
dan friesen
Wow, we got both sides from Alex.
He's above the left-right paradigm.
unidentified
We really did it.
jordan holmes
We really nailed it that time.
dan friesen
So what Benoit was talking about is actually true.
Laurie Cabot was named the official Witch of Salem by Michael Dukakis back in 1977 when he was the governor of Massachusetts.
jordan holmes
Yeah, of course.
unidentified
There's official wizards of towns all over the world.
Of course.
jordan holmes
This is fine!
dan friesen
Yeah, so his decision was basically recognizing two things.
One, there's a tradition of witch shit in Massachusetts and the Northeast in general.
And two, Cabot opened what she claims is the first witch shop in America back in the 70s.
jordan holmes
So she's a historical monument as well.
dan friesen
Alex sells dumb pills.
If he wants to be mad at some lady selling incense and bath salts, I guess that's a fun game for him to play.
Shouldn't he be a witch or a warlock for the magic that these pills do on your body?
jordan holmes
I mean, it's like being in, like, what, like 1920s San Francisco and be like, there's this man going around calling himself the King of America!
Now, sir, this is a democracy!
How dare they!
If people begin to believe that he's the king, well, it's all a monarchy!
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, what are you doing?
dan friesen
There was a guy, a houseless person, a guy experiencing homelessness in Columbia.
And he wore a Burger King crown around, and he called himself the King of Columbia, and a lot of people would salute him and treat him like the king.
jordan holmes
And just treat him, yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And that did erode democracy.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, here we are.
dan friesen
The reason that I moved to Chicago is that he had a hostile takeover of the mayorship.
jordan holmes
I can say for sure that it is entirely his fault Citizens United went through the Supreme Court the way it did.
dan friesen
I had to flee after he had a coup.
He overthrew Darwin Hindman in a...
So Alex goes out to break here, and he's talking about that he's had some run-ins with witches before.
Now, based on what we know from his later talk, we should know that he had a lot of run-ins with witches.
jordan holmes
I mean, he was a witch.
dan friesen
They tried to recruit him.
jordan holmes
He slept with a lot of them.
dan friesen
Yup.
He was honey-potted by a bunch of satanic cheerleaders.
Talks about it a little bit differently back in 2002.
jordan holmes
Unsurprising.
alex jones
We'll stay there.
We'll hear about that over when we get back.
I want to get more into the history of Halloween and how these Satanists are using the softer forms, the original softer forms of the occult to chuck people into their ranks.
It's exploding.
Softer.
unidentified
I've even had a run into these people.
alex jones
They're in a lot of positions of power.
We'll talk about it with our guest, David Menloin.
We'll get back.
And your calls are coming up as well.
dan friesen
Wouldn't his argument seem a little bit better if he was talking about, like, I hung out with them and I fucked cheerleader Satanists?
jordan holmes
I mean, it'd be a really forceful testimonial.
dan friesen
Certainly.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It would add to the first-hand actual experience that's being brought to the table as opposed to...
I've had run-ins with powerful witches.
jordan holmes
And it would kind of increase his mystique, almost giving him a kind of a folkloric figurehood.
You know, it seems like it would be valuable to do early on in your career.
dan friesen
Well, I guess it kind of works if you just do it later, because most people have forgotten about your early shift.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's fair.
dan friesen
So, look, dude, this Benoit guy is a snooze.
Whenever he's talking about being able to connect with the kids, I think, no.
He's just getting really boring about Halloween here.
alex jones
Number one, more history on Halloween that many people aren't aware of.
And then, how do we protect our children from this system?
jordan holmes
Somebody protect the children.
david benoit
Well, I'll tell you what.
First of all, I think information is always crucial.
You know, I think that people need to understand what the whole thing is all about.
As a matter of fact, you know, I wrote a track last year entitled Halloween, A Trick or a Treat.
Traditions like, for example, trick-or-treat.
Where did that come from?
And I talk about the jack-o'-lantern, you know, that that came from Great Britain.
And Jack was supposed to have sold a soul to the devil and reneged on it and ended up having to get a coal.
He tricked the devil and he put it into a turnip and then he had to walk to the face of the earth and stuff like that.
They would wear masks because they would be afraid that after going to the bale fire, the bonfire, Oh, absolutely.
dan friesen
But the Associated Press reported that?
jordan holmes
Yep.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
That was an AP report.
2002.
April 2002, 26th.
dan friesen
So he made a deal with the devil.
He turned back on it and then he put his head into a turnip.
jordan holmes
What you gonna do?
What you gonna do?
dan friesen
I'm just imagining teens listening to that and being so bored.
jordan holmes
Oh man, this guy.
He knows how to engage us with humor and interesting facts.
dan friesen
Yeah, definitely.
So look, rock and roll being of the devil.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Totally obvious.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
But there's some not-so-obvious things that David Benoit would like to warn you about.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Some movies, maybe, that are insidious.
jordan holmes
More fiction, please!
david benoit
Again, when you get right down to talking about the dead and talking to the dead, and to show you, here's the thing that really gets me, Alex, is that there's the obvious.
And when I...
I've done things on rock music for years and stuff.
I've been interviewed by NBC, ABC, CNN News, and things like that.
And, you know, I've talked about the obvious, but the most subtle.
For example, like Talking to the Dead, there are movies like Sixth Sense, and where a boy is supposed to see spirits and stuff.
Nobody can see him but him.
And then you've got Ghost, where they've had some...
They talk about that.
dan friesen
Hey, buddy, neither of those are subtle.
Those are both, like...
Wasn't the tagline of The Sixth Sense, I see dead people?
That's a catchphrase of the movie?
unidentified
Yeah.
And hey, a ghost is called ghost.
Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep.
dan friesen
These are subtle things.
jordan holmes
If you want to present to me as being a religious scholar...
dan friesen
I think you would like that.
jordan holmes
...of Glory Ministries...
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
And you also believe that movies are real.
Uh-huh.
I think it cheapens your glory, if you know what I'm saying.
dan friesen
Uh-huh.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Well, I don't think you're ready for this, then.
jordan holmes
Oh, I'm not ready.
dan friesen
Because he goes on.
jordan holmes
Oh, God, no.
dan friesen
Mic down for this.
jordan holmes
Okay.
david benoit
Then you've got Ghost, where they've had some...
They talk about that.
But also in the movie Lion King, Simba talks to his father who is dead.
And there are a lot of Christians who say, well, I don't see anything wrong with it.
Well, you know, I had one guy at a Christian college one day.
So it must have been a lot.
Well, it's the same thing with E.T. E.T. rises from the dead.
alex jones
They worship him in the same last window.
It's the same message everywhere.
dan friesen
So yeah, we got Lion King and E.T. they're mad at, too.
jordan holmes
I am afraid of the world!
I don't understand anything!
dan friesen
So look, look, we have to keep going on this thread about the Lion King.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Because he's pretty concerned about the Lion King.
jordan holmes
He's concerned about the Lion King.
dan friesen
Some people have given him some rebuttals.
That might actually, like, what about this, bro?
jordan holmes
Okay.
Well, I have a problem already with this first rebuttal, which is I saw the Lion King somehow as a metaphor for Jesus, which, struggling there.
dan friesen
Right.
Mike down again for this, because this is ridiculous.
Sorry.
Whatever Lion King comes up, Mike must go down.
david benoit
And the thing about it is, is what I told him, I said, well, what about Rafiki?
He said, well, he was the Holy Spirit.
I said, the Holy Spirit?
I said, he was a witch doctor.
I said...
See, you only miss one minor problem with that analogy, and that's it.
And that's this.
Is that Simba's father died and ascended to be a god.
That's the New Age movement.
Jesus' father has always been god.
He's always been in heaven.
And therefore, he's never had to die and ascend to be an ascended master.
alex jones
So, how do we protect our children from this?
Get them out of the public schools, I would say, number one.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's it.
Get them out of the public schools so they can't be affected by the Lion King and the nefarious message of Mufasa becoming an Ascended Master.
jordan holmes
Okay, give me one second.
dan friesen
Wait, shouldn't Alex hate Star Wars?
jordan holmes
No, give me one second.
Give me one second.
I really need to understand this correctly, okay?
Because of Ghost...
The Lion King.
dan friesen
Subtle.
jordan holmes
Because of E.T. Because of Bewitched.
Because of Sabrina the Teenage Witch.
Because of Buffy the Vampire Slayer, we need to take our kids out of school.
Because school is where those specific things are found.
dan friesen
I did think that that was a strange leap for that to be the conclusion of this stupid conversation about Rafiki.
Rafiki being the Holy Spirit.
jordan holmes
I don't understand what you don't get about Rafiki being the Holy Spirit.
That one's just too obvious.
dan friesen
Timon and Pumbaa, who are they?
jordan holmes
That's Rosencrantz and Guildenstern.
alex jones
What?
jordan holmes
Yes!
I mean, it's based on...
Who fucking cares?
What are we doing?
What are we doing?
dan friesen
Nala is Jonah's Ark.
jordan holmes
What are we doing?
Oh my god.
dan friesen
Yeah, they're scared.
jordan holmes
Man, these guys would absolutely go apeshit if they ever heard of Aeschylus.
It would be over for them.
They'd be like, holy shit!
The crowd is supposed to be talking?
There's a chorus?
I don't get it!
Where are they from?
dan friesen
This is magic.
This is devilry.
jordan holmes
It's a devilry.
dan friesen
So yeah, man.
If you have Harry Potter in school, you should be able to have everyone pray in school.
jordan holmes
That sounds right.
david benoit
You know what I found interesting also is I was, uh, called by a lady from Knoxville, Tennessee, and she said, "Mr.
General, my daughter has to go under the Hogwarts School for Witchcraft and Wizardry to get into her room." And so when I told the principal I didn't want my daughter there, and he said, "Okay, then write her a little note and we'll take her out of the class." But you know what my suggestion was to that is, if that offends...
See, if Harry Potter offends you, you can get a little note and go out of class.
Why don't we say that to those who are offended about prayer in school?
alex jones
Yeah, why don't we sue them?
But more importantly, just let them have their system.
dan friesen
Let them have it.
jordan holmes
Leave the schools.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I think there's a slight difference between room decorations around a popular book and sort of communal, enforced by the school, organized by the school, religious activities.
jordan holmes
I mean, the thing about this is that that is exactly the point of all of the rest of it.
In the same way that right now the right wing...
dan friesen
There's even more of a point, but this is a big part of the point.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
I mean, right now the right wing is making up a fictional...
Antifa to be the victim of in order to consolidate their insane power already.
dan friesen
Right, and screaming about CRT in order to get rid of any kind of troubling history.
jordan holmes
Can't let people see Harry Potter in schools, or, I say, you know, just to be fair, we should allow...
Prayer to be in schools all the time.
I'm just saying.
And it's about fairness, Dan.
It's a fairness argument.
dan friesen
I'm going to maliciously misinterpret Harry Potter as an actual religion.
jordan holmes
Yes, absolutely.
dan friesen
In order to justify me bringing religion into schools.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
That will eventually be enforced pretty strictly.
jordan holmes
The obvious thing that he doesn't understand is the point that he's really making is that Harry Potter and Christianity are both equally fictional.
dan friesen
Now, won't you think of the children?
jordan holmes
Actually, I'm refusing to think of the children ever again.
I'm done thinking of the children.
dan friesen
You're a monster?
jordan holmes
I am.
dan friesen
Now, just think of the kids who don't like Harry Potter.
They're ostracized.
jordan holmes
Never.
I didn't like Harry Potter, and I was fine.
dan friesen
Did this happen to you?
alex jones
Yeah, why don't we sue them?
But more importantly, just let them have their system.
Get them out of there.
But the point is they ostracized the children.
You're a weirdo for leaving.
david benoit
Oh, exactly.
Not all of that, but they called them muggles.
They called her a muggle.
A muggle is a non...
In Harry Potter's books, it's supposed to be a non-witch or sorcerer.
It's a natural person, someone who doesn't believe in magic.
unidentified
So when the girl left the room, they called her muggle, muggle, muggle, muggle.
david benoit
Now, could you imagine what kind of uprising it would have been if someone like a Hindu or, say, a Muslim didn't want to pledge allegiance to the flag or didn't want to say in God we trust or had to pray, and they had to leave and everybody said, Muslim, Muslim, Muslim, Muslim.
Oh, there would have been all kinds of lawsuits.
But see, you know why it is, Alex, it's because Christians don't...
jordan holmes
Don't do it.
Don't say the only 100% false, real thing that you've said.
dan friesen
I mean, what if kids were rude to minorities?
jordan holmes
See, but here's the other thing.
That's again...
dan friesen
So ridiculous.
jordan holmes
That is again one of those things about Harry Potter that a close reading would analyze so fucking differently.
The thing about Harry Potter is that the slur that wizards use against...
dan friesen
Muggle.
jordan holmes
No, no.
Wizards use the slur mudblood against wizards with non-magical parents.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
But they are...
All fine.
And it's a horrible thing to use the mudblood.
Oh, it's a horrible slur.
All of them use muggle.
All the time.
Just like, no problem whatsoever, just this slur about a class of people that we don't give a fuck about.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Just all the time, it's those types of things where it's like, oh, this slur is bad for the people I like, and it's fine to give slurs around for all the people that aren't involved with our fun story.
dan friesen
Sure, but it's silly to be like the trauma of people calling her a muggle.
jordan holmes
See, again.
dan friesen
And then, can you imagine what the uproar would be if this happened to somebody of a minority?
And it's like, it does.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Quite a bit.
And there is not an uproar.
jordan holmes
They don't do it.
dan friesen
You wouldn't give a shit about that.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
You would be like, well, you gotta take it on the chin if your traditions are different than ours or whatever the fuck.
jordan holmes
The only thing that's important is that we are always the victims and you should do whatever we say.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Because we're the victims.
Yep.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
Yay!
dan friesen
So look, I mean, obviously you should be able to pray in school.
If you have Harry Potter there.
But there's another thing that you should be forced to teach.
jordan holmes
Make that argument!
dan friesen
I'm not.
david benoit
See, the thing about it is, you know, these principles and everything are taught how to handle us rowdies.
See, they're taught how to handle us.
I mean, we're the weird ones.
We're the strange ones.
You need to be a free thinker.
Well, you know, if you think that's the case, then why don't you let the...
Teachers teach the Left Behind series to their children.
jordan holmes
Equally fictional.
david benoit
I mean, there are some good Christian novels that are out there, stuff like that.
Oh, they'd never think about that, but they can teach witchcraft and occultism.
dan friesen
They're not.
That argument is pretty cute, and I think it's kind of funny that David thinks Harry Potter is in any way similar to Left Behind thematically, or the intent of the writing, or even the quality of the book.
It's silly.
But there's a much bigger problem to deal with here.
The books of Left Behind are very, very specifically a story about a pre-tribulation rapture.
The rapture happens, and then those who weren't saved are, quote, left behind in the rapture.
It's essentially the whole point of that 16-book series.
I don't care about this at all, but Alex thinks pre-tribulation rapture preaching is heresy.
He is a strong post-trib guy, and it's pretty funny to hear someone bring up Left Behind on his show and see him not get mad about it.
He should be furious about the suggestion that Left Behind be taught in schools, probably more so than Harry Potter.
jordan holmes
Oh, I know.
We've talked about Left Behind before.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
He should be furious about the idea of Left Behind being evoked on his show.
It's the exact wrong image of the...
The tribulation and the rapture that actually is insidiously teaching the patriots and the Christians to not be ready to fight.
And so, like, he should be furious, and he's not.
jordan holmes
Considering how furious I've seen him get about just somebody saying pre-trib might be real, the novel series being recommended for children in public schools seems very odd.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I think that...
There's also a very strong difference between the notion of a school teaching Harry Potter or allowing kids to read Harry Potter.
Kids would be allowed to read Left Behind as recreational reading.
jordan holmes
I read Left Behind.
I read like five of the novels and then I was shocked that they kept going.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Bananas!
dan friesen
I think that, if I recall correctly, when they made a movie of that, my dad got like a press copy or something.
jordan holmes
Wasn't Nicolas Cage in that?
dan friesen
No, no, this is the Cameron one.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay, I gotcha.
dan friesen
And I think they wanted him to write a blurb or something.
I remember him being very not interested.
I have a vague memory of that.
jordan holmes
Really nails how dumb Christianity is.
dan friesen
So, look, there's...
The Christians?
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
They don't do anything.
And that's why their kids are called muggles in school or whatever.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
And also, I will say that this is an interesting fact that David brings up, this next clip.
It's an interesting fact that would help him connect with the children and then immediately lose them.
david benoit
You know, I read the other day where, you know, the long-legged spiders?
Are we doing this?
unidentified
Whoa!
dan friesen
What?
Hold on.
unidentified
Where did that come from?
jordan holmes
You know!
dan friesen
That took a turn?
unidentified
The jumping!
dan friesen
You mean jumping spiders?
jordan holmes
We are watching Olympic-level triple leaps of logic that I cannot understand whatsoever.
dan friesen
But it also kind of indicates to you what they're actually talking about.
What are the things that they're actually mad about?
He's not mad about Harry Potter.
He's mad about feeling like people are too gay.
And Alex thinks that there's too much promiscuity in dating shows.
And they don't feel like their ideas are in control of public education.
That's really what they're mad about.
They don't care about a book about it.
jordan holmes
It seems like everywhere I turn, the world that I had beaten into me when I was a child is not the same.
I don't know.
These people are fucked up.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
They're just fucking...
dan friesen
And one of the things that I find also, you know, take the monstrousness and the clear overt homophobia out of this, and you kind of have a clunky metaphor.
jordan holmes
You have many clunky metaphors.
dan friesen
Well, because think about this.
The Daddy Long Legs is a venomous spider.
jordan holmes
True.
dan friesen
But it can't bite you because it can't open its mouth up big enough to bite you.
jordan holmes
Stroke of luck on our part.
dan friesen
Now, he's saying that the Christians are like that.
They're more venomous than other groups.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Great.
Let's leave that aside, that it's venomousness.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But he's saying they're unwilling.
To flex that muscle or use that venom.
jordan holmes
Sounds like the Christianity I know.
dan friesen
It's not like the daddy long legs can't bring itself to bite you.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
It can't physically.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So if this is analogous at all, then the Christians can't physically use this power.
They are unable to exert this quote-unquote extra venomousness that they have.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
It's not a choice for the daddy long legs.
It's nature.
It's their jaw.
jordan holmes
Right.
Right.
I would say...
dan friesen
It's a bad metaphor.
jordan holmes
I would say the metaphor might make more sense if you said that Christians were filled with venom and, you know, they didn't bite people, but they just kept fucking bothering me.
dan friesen
You know what's teaching the kids devilry?
jordan holmes
What's that?
dan friesen
Venom 2. Carnage.
jordan holmes
I can't wait to see it.
I'm looking forward to it.
dan friesen
Devilry.
jordan holmes
Let there be carnage, Dan.
dan friesen
So, speaking of carnage, this next clip is really, really upsetting.
And after the...
Stupidity and nonsense of Harry Potter and Rafiki being the Holy Spirit.
jordan holmes
Rafiki is the Holy Spirit.
I'm going to defend that one.
dan friesen
This really fucking upset me.
david benoit
We're more powerful than the homosexuals.
You just don't say anything.
We're more powerful than the atheists.
We just won't say anything.
We're more powerful than the one-worlders.
We just won't say anything.
You know, people say, oh, you could never get prayer back in school.
Let me tell you something.
You blow up a couple buildings.
Everybody wants to pray.
Where were the ACLU at that time?
You know, America...
It's loaded with Christianity.
They just bow down to everything.
alex jones
Well, I go on a lot of Christian stations, and some of them just don't speak out, be quiet, go along.
david benoit
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
So I can't tell if what he's saying is everybody loved to pray after 9-11, or if he's saying, you say we can't get prayer back in school, let's blow up some buildings and see if you pray.
jordan holmes
It could go either way.
It could go either way.
dan friesen
It's at least...
jordan holmes
Could be both.
dan friesen
It's inarticulately delivered to the point where I think those are both readings of it.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And that's fucked up.
jordan holmes
Right.
What he could have said was there are no atheists in a foxhole.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
You know, if that's his intent, then that's what he should have said.
dan friesen
No one is going to then create foxholes in order to create Christians.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it wasn't like what we should do with the create a foxhole Christian thing.
What we should do is we should kill a lot of people to make them get into foxholes and then they won't be atheists anymore.
See?
That's what God wants us to do, Dan.
dan friesen
It's a longer walk.
And that really was like, wow.
I mean, I think that this is...
If he's trying to say people were very religious after 9-11, if that's what he was trying to say, he said it in about the worst and most sort of irresponsible way, I can imagine.
jordan holmes
Sure.
You know, I mean, for me...
If I was going to listen to his, we could do all of these things, but we stay quiet about it, I would ask how many atheist presidents there were, or how many, I mean, let's say, how many elected representatives throughout America's history have openly professed to not having any religious beliefs whatsoever?
dan friesen
You don't want to play this game because they'll just argue that most presidents are secret Satanists and secret atheists.
jordan holmes
I'm not playing the game with them.
There was never any point to doing that.
It's just like, how can you be that stupid?
dan friesen
You know George Washington was the only president who didn't read Harry Potter.
jordan holmes
Yeah, might as well have been.
dan friesen
So can you imagine, Jordan, going back 150 years and telling a church about Harry Potter?
Because David Benoit can't.
david benoit
Again, it's been a process of changing people's minds.
alex jones
Of desensitization.
david benoit
Exactly.
It's like I was speaking in a church the other day that's 156 years old.
They were celebrating their 156th anniversary.
And I said, could you imagine if I came to this church 156 years ago and said that there would be a boy named Harry Potter and that he was going to be attending the Hogwarts School for Witchcraft and Wizardry and that children would be reading the book in church.
Youth pastors would be having activities surrounding that.
I said, the people in that church would have thought I was crazy.
But they're not anymore.
They're doing it all over the country.
alex jones
And we're bad for saying it's bad.
dan friesen
I don't know how many churches necessarily were using Harry Potter.
I don't know what they would use it for.
I don't know what youth groups need to have assigned reading, necessarily, other than the Bible.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, you know, the power goes out, you know.
You want to learn the blight spell.
dan friesen
I guess there are some youth groups and churches, probably, that didn't ban Harry Potter.
Maybe that's what he's responding to.
unidentified
So proud.
jordan holmes
So proud of them.
dan friesen
So, I mean, like, sure, you can go back to 156 years before, but, like...
I mean, there are other books.
jordan holmes
I will tell you this.
dan friesen
Like, what would that church think of Gulliver's Travels?
jordan holmes
I will tell you this.
dan friesen
There are tiny people.
jordan holmes
If you go back to 1846 and you told them that children would be into witches, they would be like, you're fucking right they are, and we gotta stop them.
Let's go!
Let's get our torches and pitchforks, because in 1856, we totally believe witches are real.
dan friesen
There is, like Macbeth, there are witches and other things before Harry Potter.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Also, Frankenstein, that book.
Church is probably mad about that.
It came out in 1818.
jordan holmes
Totally, totally.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
No, do you know what they were...
I'll tell you this.
Do you know what the book churches were most mad about when it came out?
The fucking Bible!
dan friesen
Oh yeah, they had a lot of...
jordan holmes
They were furious about that!
dan friesen
Various books within it, and the canonization, and yeah, there was a lot of trouble with that.
jordan holmes
Oh man, you don't even want to know what happened when they started printing it for everyone to read.
dan friesen
Oh, that was scandalous.
jordan holmes
Tried to cancel it!
I am not joking!
Christians wanted to cancel the Bible!
dan friesen
They were trying to shadow ban the Bible!
jordan holmes
You know where the Bible traveled?
It went the same direction as porn.
It traveled all through the same underground porn traveling system in the 15 fucking hundreds.
Christians are dumb.
alex jones
So, uh, look.
dan friesen
I think that we now know, because we're in 2021, Blackjack, that the end was not near in 2002, as it were.
jordan holmes
We're in double overtime now.
Yeah, we were in fourth quarter overtime.
dan friesen
Man, if so, we got some tough things coming.
david benoit
That's the trick.
It's so far-fetched when we report it, but when they start saying it, people have heard us say it, and they go, well, so what?
Everybody's doing it.
You see, that's the fine line that we deal with every day, Alex.
alex jones
So we're only a few years away from the Aztec Kingdom where everybody was doing it.
jordan holmes
A few years?
alex jones
We're only a few years away from euthanasia that's already in Northern Europe.
unidentified
Absolutely.
alex jones
We're only a few years away.
It's already here.
david benoit
Exactly.
And see, so when you start reporting it, you're crazy, and yet when Walter Cronkite or when somebody else gets up there or, you know...
alex jones
Dan Rather.
david benoit
Dan Rather or Ted Koppel or somebody like that.
That's something, huh?
dan friesen
Yeah, it is something.
And if Walter Cronkite did deliver this news that we are a few years away from being the Aztec kingdom with human sacrifice and witchcraft and all this shit, I would say he's crazy, too.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I would not give him...
You know why he's respected?
Because he didn't say shit like that.
jordan holmes
He did not say shit like that.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
That was one of the reasons that people were like, oh, I can trust this person not to say shit like that.
dan friesen
Exactly.
I think that maybe there's a little bit of backwardsness here.
Like, oh, he's so respected.
But if he said that there were witches...
Like, no, no, no.
He's respected because he doesn't do that shit.
You could be, too, if you did a better job.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I wish I had more recordings of, like...
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think we've talked about it before.
I even check myself a little bit about that whenever there's something that I just don't understand.
Like, even TikTok for me is a little bit like, it gives me that sort of, if I were a little bit less examined in my sort of daily life, I might be like these fucking kids.
It might be something that I would feel like this generation has really lost it.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
But I don't.
dan friesen
I recognize.
Is there something that I've, pardon the expression, been left behind?
And that's fine.
jordan holmes
Eh, I mean, I just, I think one of the major problems is that it seems like the generation after us is just better.
They're just way better people, they're more connected, they're smarter.
dan friesen
I think you might be erring on the other side.
You might be going, the pendulum's swinging a little too far.
jordan holmes
Could be swinging a little bit too far.
They're not all Greta.
david benoit
I get that.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
I get that.
dan friesen
But you know what?
You know what Greta doesn't have?
A mark on her forehead.
But everybody else does.
david benoit
You know, I've been talking about these microchips.
As a matter of fact, do you realize that when Harry Potter first came to America, as far as the book, they sent out 365,000 little stickers, and you know, Harry Potter has a lightning bolt on his forehead.
And it's a scar.
And so all these children got these little bitty stickers, and they were all putting them right on their forehead, just like Harry Potter.
You see, so that...
When you start looking at that, and even in Lion King, where Simba was anointed on his forehead, I show pictures of that, and then you know the U.S. News and World Report some time ago had a child on his front cover with a bar mark right on his forehead.
Barcode right on his forehead.
dan friesen
Oh man, it's microchip shit.
jordan holmes
Jesus.
dan friesen
I don't understand how we're also getting so far afield from witches.
You know, like...
This is supposed to be about witches on Halloween and now the Lion King is being used to put forth a...
Microchip conspiracy?
I think they've lost the thread.
jordan holmes
I think it would go so far as to be evidence for them not actually believing witches are real and just using it as a cudgel to get through their other more important bullshit.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's kind of a splitter that they can use to have their other agendas be more interesting than they would appear to be otherwise.
jordan holmes
Hey, I think Second Amendment rights are important.
Cool.
Hey, I think Second Amendment rights are important because witches are coming.
Alright, I'm listening.
Hold on.
All right.
What else you got?
dan friesen
Yeah.
I think also they're a little bit defensive.
jordan holmes
Because witches aren't real?
dan friesen
Maybe.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But they're a little defensive that people think that they're bad because they're against witches or something.
This is so stupid.
david benoit
Like when you talk about witches, witches were bad, and then all of a sudden, well, they're not so bad.
alex jones
But we're kooks to even say they're out there evangelizing.
jordan holmes
It's not so bad.
david benoit
Exactly.
See, there was a long time that people said all witches are just make-believe.
When they jump that line from witcher or maple leaf to now, well, so what?
I mean, freedom of speech, freedom of religion in America.
alex jones
And they're grabbing our kids and doing this.
Well, the website, gloryministries.com, a link to it on infowars.com.
What will you be doing this Sam Hain, this Halloween night, tomorrow?
david benoit
Well, tomorrow night I will actually be traveling, and I'll be doing some programs down in Florida.
And so I'll be out of pocket tomorrow.
But I'm telling you what, it's not that I won't be praying about some things, because I realize there are a lot of children.
And here's another thing.
Even if, Alex, this was not an occult practice or occult day, anybody who'll take their children and walk through the neighborhood taking candy from anybody who'll open up a door is stupid.
dan friesen
Okay.
What?
jordan holmes
Don't!
Trust anyone!
dan friesen
Aren't you supposed to be like...
jordan holmes
Everyone's evil!
dan friesen
You're supposed to be about community and neighbors.
jordan holmes
Demons are everywhere!
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Don't even say hi to your neighbors!
dan friesen
I mean, obviously, I do think that sending a child who's, you know, a young child alone...
jordan holmes
Unaccompanied?
dan friesen
I think that is dangerous for...
jordan holmes
Probably an issue.
dan friesen
For the reasons of, like, you never know who's out there, but then even from, like, what if they trip and fall and hurt themselves?
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
You know, like, you need to...
But that's your responsibility as a parent.
Right.
Right.
Now, the other thing I think is being very clearly intentionally misrepresented here in a very hilarious way is the, like, for the longest time they said witches were bad, and they're not real.
People were like, oh, they're not real.
And now everyone's like, ah, who cares?
Now, the ah, who cares is not society being like, yeah, they do magic.
All right, fine.
It's being like, who cares?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's a little different than society just being like, alright, we'll accept it.
jordan holmes
Okay, fine.
Witches are real and they do magic all the time, but let's not worry about it.
dan friesen
We need to regulate cauldron sales.
jordan holmes
I mean, get the fuck out of here.
dan friesen
Yeah, this is really dumb.
jordan holmes
Sometimes, you know, see the thing about being a witch, and I'll tell you this, is the only reason that they can believe in witches and also convincingly argue that they aren't dead is that because there are magical rules that they themselves imagine exist that they then impose upon witches.
Like, if witches were real and magic is real, explain to me why eyesight's important or distance or anything along those lines.
Like, if a witch was like, holy shit!
Alex is blowing the whistle on all of our witch shit.
dan friesen
Let's take away his voice.
jordan holmes
They could just take away his voice!
It wouldn't even be hard!
dan friesen
Nope.
jordan holmes
He gets boils one day and he has to go to the doctor and then he's dead.
It's the point of magic!
unidentified
You don't have the rules the rest of us do!
jordan holmes
But then he's going to be like, no, no, no, they can only do it if they have a block of your hair.
unidentified
Fuck off!
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, there have to be limitations in order to make this make sense within the actual world we live in.
jordan holmes
Exactly, yes.
dan friesen
There has to be an explanation for why there aren't magical things happening all the time.
If it were this easy to learn how to do magic.
Yeah.
Or possible to learn how to do magic.
jordan holmes
How would they keep it secret?
Because it's fucking magic.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
What are you talking about?
dan friesen
Jordan, do you think you should trick-or-treat?
Sure.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
You and David Benoit have hit an impasse.
jordan holmes
I've thought about it for a while.
dan friesen
Well, you guys are not in agreement.
alex jones
I mean, the whole thing's bad news, but again, everybody's doing it, so it must be good.
david benoit
Well, you know, Casey had to live in somebody's neighborhood, you know?
And all these rapists and these pedophiles, they live in people's neighborhoods.
jordan holmes
What are we doing?
david benoit
You stop and think about that.
That for 364 days of the year, we tell our children not to take anything from a stranger, and then one night of the year, we walk around picking out anything that can hand something out.
alex jones
Well, law enforcement numbers show it.
A massive amount of children are kidnapped the week before.
It's the biggest upsurge of the year.
Before Halloween, and then the years later, they find them in some pasture.
They're poor little skeletons.
And they put that in the back of the paper, which shows me there's an agenda to cover this up.
dan friesen
Okay, prove that.
Let's see those law enforcement numbers.
If there's an agenda to cover it up, you have a responsibility.
You owe their poor little skeletons the coverage of this very specifically in order to get the word out about the evils of the, I guess, universal kidnapping ring that's going on on Halloween.
Now, I think that this is really fucked up, because I thought this was about witches and Harry Potter and shit, and now apparently it's about your neighbors being creeps?
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, I mean...
dan friesen
I thought I was supposed to be afraid of the occult, not the predatory guy who lives down the street?
jordan holmes
No, anybody could be the predatory...
dan friesen
But he's not a witch!
jordan holmes
This is cult shit, man.
He's a perv, he's not a witch!
This is isolate from anyone who can disagree with me.
This is a...
Look...
If you wanted to say that trick-or-treating is bad...
I mean, whatever you want to say about candy is fine.
But part of trick-or-treating is that it is a communal ritual.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
And that you go around to complete strangers' homes.
They smile.
You smile.
They give you candy.
dan friesen
Not always complete strangers, either.
If you know people in your neighborhood...
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
It's a reinforcing community thing where you dress up and then people answer the door and they're like, Oh, look at you.
jordan holmes
That's cute.
dan friesen
Look at that costume.
jordan holmes
This is good.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
This is good.
And guess what else it is?
It's about realizing that the people around you are just people like you and that most of us are fucking chill most of us are Yeah, fuck that guy.
That's why we shouldn't trick-or-treat.
dan friesen
Yeah, I think that, yeah, the message is basically don't trust anybody except those who would be willing to join in with our paranoia and have our community of paranoid weirdos who are scared of everybody else.
jordan holmes
Right.
Do not go meet other people with different backgrounds who look different from you.
dan friesen
Unless they do a handshake with a gun.
jordan holmes
Exactly, yes, absolutely.
dan friesen
Then they're good people.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's just cult isolation shit, man.
dan friesen
We have one last clip here.
This is how the interview ends, and it's a real eye roller.
alex jones
Years later, they find them in some pasture.
They're poor little skeletons.
And they put that in the back of the paper, which shows me there's an agenda to cover this up.
david benoit
Well, they don't need to kidnap children.
I mean, all they've got to do is perform human sacrifice to buy abortion.
That happens every day.
alex jones
Fifteen million.
Thanks for joining us, David.
A lot of great info on your site.
We appreciate you.
david benoit
Thank you so much, Alex.
God bless y 'all.
alex jones
You bet.
Take care.
dan friesen
Well, boo!
The bizarre political messages that just get thrown in really stray, like, on the side.
The anti-abortion, the pro-Second Amendment kind of stuff.
It's like, I thought we're talking about witches!
What is happening here?
jordan holmes
I mean, it is like borderline.
Witches are terrible.
They use magic.
They worship the devil.
Also, trans people are evil.
But witches are the ones we're talking about here.
Trans people are evil.
What we want to talk about mainly are witches.
Abortion is going to kill everybody.
What we want to talk are witches.
dan friesen
We're stronger than the gays.
unidentified
Exactly.
jordan holmes
Yes, absolutely.
unidentified
It's like, are you trying?
dan friesen
Yeah, it's pretty overt and I don't know.
I wonder if it's a function of, like, there weren't as many people listening, so this feels very sloppy and very dumb.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah, they could just get away with this shit.
Nobody's paying attention.
dan friesen
But look, we needed to have a spooktacular.
We needed to have a little break.
We had to do it.
We never do this.
But to be fair, we never did interviews.
That's true.
And we never did special holiday episodes.
jordan holmes
Evolve or die, Dan.
dan friesen
So why not give it a shot?
jordan holmes
Evolve or die.
dan friesen
Exactly.
And so now, every holiday.
We're doing themed holiday shows.
jordan holmes
I want a Valentine's Day Alex Jones.
That's what I need.
dan friesen
Alex sings, Why do I get a kick out of you?
Champagne doesn't thrill me out.
jordan holmes
Wise men say, Only fools rush in!
dan friesen
Take a look at me now.
There's just an empty space.
jordan holmes
Hello!
Is it me you're looking for?
dan friesen
It's a different tone when he's singing hello.
jordan holmes
It does.
dan friesen
It's a little threatening.
jordan holmes
A little bit different.
dan friesen
A little aggressive.
Is it me you're looking for?
unidentified
Officer?
dan friesen
So we will, in earnest, actually get to present to him.
I just found his behavior so abhorrent.
alex jones
Oh, man.
dan friesen
And I was like, we gotta do a Halloween thing.
jordan holmes
I swear to you, those first few clips set a table that I was genuinely like...
This is going to get dark.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And a big part of this, too, was that I was poking around on the website and uncovered that interview.
And honestly, if you see the name, author of 14 things witches hope parents never find out on the occult and the real meaning of Halloween bringing America to its knees.
jordan holmes
That's a spooktacular.
dan friesen
How do you resist?
jordan holmes
That's a spooktacular.
dan friesen
I can't have this interview sitting in my archives and think like, oh, we'll get to it in March.
jordan holmes
No, you can't.
dan friesen
You've got to strike while the iron's hot.
And the iron has now cooled.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
So, happy Halloween.
jordan holmes
Happy Halloween!
dan friesen
And happy not Halloween to anybody who doesn't like Halloween.
jordan holmes
Hey, I want to wish a happy Samhain to anybody who celebrates, and a happy Samhain to anybody who doesn't.
dan friesen
Uh-huh.
Anyway, we'll be back.
We have a website.
jordan holmes
We do have a website.
dan friesen
You can go from our website and learn witchcraft magic.
jordan holmes
I think we also have don'tkillyourfamily.com now.
I believe I saw that one.
unidentified
Thank you.
dan friesen
Also, we are on Twitter.
jordan holmes
We are on Twitter.
It's at knowledge underscore fight.
Not go to bed, Jordan.
dan friesen
Yep, we'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX Clark.
I'm Daryl Rundis.
alex jones
You're a traitor, Dan.
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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