Today, Dan and Jordan go back to the past while Alex sits in Knowledge Time Out. In this installment, Alex misreports a bunch of stories involving cops, disappoints no less than three callers who want primary sources, and reveals why he does an evil voice when pretending to be one of his villains. Citations
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| Knowledge Fight. | ||
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Dan and Jordan, I am sweating. | |
| KnowledgeFight.com. | ||
| It's time to pray. | ||
| I have great respect for Knowledge Fight. | ||
| Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys. | ||
| Knowledge Fight. | ||
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Dan and Jordan, Knowledge Fight. | |
| I need money. | ||
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Andy in Kansas. | |
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Stop it. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| It's time to pray. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| You're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a Christian caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your world. | ||
| Knowledge Fight. | ||
| KnowledgeFight.com. | ||
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I love you. | |
| Hey, everybody! | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
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I'm Jordan. | |
| We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Emerick Jones. | ||
| Oh, indeed we are, Dan. | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| I have a quick question for you, sir. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| What's your bright spot today? | ||
| My bright spot today, Jordan, is still upcoming, but ever closer. | ||
| I finally found... | ||
| Dune. | ||
| Finally going to be a movie. | ||
| No, that's your bright spot. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Mine is that I finally found the La Croix Beach Plum flavor. | ||
| I had missed it at a couple of stores that I had looked for it at, and I finally got my hands on a pack of them, and they are cooling in the fridge as we speak. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So I actually haven't tried them yet, but the anticipation is building. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| This is going to be such a letdown if it's bad. | ||
| I mean, I'm looking forward to it. | ||
| I am too. | ||
| It's going to be an intense emotional experience. | ||
| It's either going to be, I'm going to get like beach plum merch. | ||
| Sure. | ||
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I'm going to get like a hat and like a LaCroix shirt. | |
| I'm going to be a LaCroix boy. | ||
| Like somebody coming back from Disney World, you're just going to be covered head to toe. | ||
| Either that or you're going to see the other 11 of these get thrown out my window. | ||
| In fury. | ||
| I am looking forward to it because it can't possibly just be okay. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And the reason is not just because it couldn't be. | ||
| I'm sure it could be okay. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But because it's so built up. | ||
| The tension. | ||
| It's too high. | ||
| It's going to crack one way or the other. | ||
| It's not going to just bend. | ||
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No. | |
| And I'm here to make an announcement. | ||
| What's that? | ||
| Next episode of ours. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Episode 600. | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
| I'm going to try the plum live on our show. | ||
| I will hold out until our next episode. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So everyone can have the delight of experiencing this along with me. | ||
| Okay, that'll be... | ||
| We don't tend to do much special for our number episodes, but... | ||
| I know, that's almost an insult to the idea of doing things for your number episodes, though. | ||
| Feels on brand. | ||
| It does, it does. | ||
| I like it. | ||
| Yeah, so what about you, Jordan? | ||
| What's your bright spot? | ||
| You know, I don't really have a bright spot this week or today or whatever so much, you know. | ||
| I suppose I have a silver lining. | ||
| My grandma passed away. | ||
| Sorry to hear that. | ||
| A couple of days ago. | ||
| And, you know, it's tough. | ||
| But for the past three years, it's been, you know, a style of living that I wouldn't aspire to. | ||
| That's a way to put it. | ||
| It's not good that it's now, but it's not bad that it's not five years from now. | ||
| That kind of thing. | ||
| There is that. | ||
| It could be much, much worse. | ||
| I guess that's about as close to... | ||
| A bright spot as I get this week. | ||
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Wow. | |
| It's not great. | ||
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No. | |
| It's not great. | ||
| I mean, I could talk about how I'm adjusting to my new medication. | ||
| Is that better? | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| It might be. | ||
| Look, I mean, I don't want to judge you for, you know, having these feelings about your grandma's passing. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's just the segment is bright spots. | ||
| I don't, I know, but what am I, I don't have any bright spots. | ||
| I guess you could frame it as the bright spot is that she's not in pain. | ||
| That's what I was trying to say. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| That was the thrust. | ||
| I'm not sure you said that incredibly well. | ||
| I didn't say it incredibly well. | ||
| If it was a bright spot, I would probably be more eloquent. | ||
| Perhaps. | ||
| Anyway, I'm sorry for your loss, Jordan. | ||
| I understand where you're coming from. | ||
| It's tough. | ||
| But, Jordan, today we have work to be done. | ||
| I'm not really a human. | ||
| I don't know how to talk to humans. | ||
| We have work to be done. | ||
| I like it. | ||
| We have work to be done. | ||
| Away with us to the workshop. | ||
| Today we're talking about the past. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| We're going to June 13th, 2003. | ||
| And part of the reason is I decided... | ||
| One of the rights that I've retained for myself is that I reserve the right to go back and put Alex on timeout whenever I feel it is appropriate. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, you have to. | ||
| After our last episode was so white nationalist and disgusting and racist and xenophobic, I just felt like I don't even want to risk emotionally engaging in... | ||
| I'm tired of vaccines. | ||
| And I don't want to risk the audience having to engage with more of that within the same week. | ||
| We can deal with this down the line, but today we're going back to the greener pastures of 2003. | ||
| I'm so happy. | ||
| They weren't really that much greener. | ||
| Well, I mean, you know, our last episode had me like... | ||
| Do I miss Harrison Smith? | ||
| Am I looking for a more boring white nationalism right now? | ||
| Is that what's disgusting to me? | ||
| So yes. | ||
| Do you want button-up white nationalism or really weird? | ||
| I guess I don't want my white nationalist to rip its shirt off and scream at me while running down the street greased up like a pig. | ||
| I do not want that. | ||
| So this is going to be an interesting episode. | ||
| We have some news stories that Alex is covering. | ||
| Possibly well. | ||
| Possibly not. | ||
| Well. | ||
| And then a really funny thing happens when a caller calls in and wants Alex to produce sources. | ||
| Oh, I like that. | ||
| That'll be fun. | ||
| And we'll get to all that. | ||
| But first, Jordan, let's say hello to some new wonks. | ||
| Oh, that's a great idea. | ||
| So first, Reverend Shorty Doo-Wop. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| I would like to hang out with that. | ||
| With that? | ||
| With Reverend Shorty Do-Wop? | ||
| It's not a person. | ||
| That's a robot. | ||
| Could be. | ||
| Next, Italic Squirrels. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| Next, Nigel. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thanks, Nigel. | ||
| Next, Pretty Please Do More Live Streams. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| I mean, have we ever done one that was ours? | ||
| Yeah, we did some way back. | ||
| I mean, not since the way back, yeah. | ||
| You did some videos. | ||
| Oh, that's true. | ||
| Or some games. | ||
| I did do some games. | ||
| We could play Magic. | ||
| We could. | ||
| We could do some streaming of us playing Magic. | ||
| We could probably do it. | ||
| I could figure it out. | ||
| If you can figure that out, maybe we'll do that. | ||
| Ah, we'll see what happens. | ||
| Nick, Stephen, thank you so much. | ||
| You're on OutPolicyWalk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you, Stephen! | ||
| And we got a technocrat out here in the mix. | ||
| So, ha! | ||
| Take that, Caroline J. from the Mohawk Nation. | ||
| Match me on this level, you turnip. | ||
| Love, Eric J. from the Mohawk Nation. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a technocrat. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Crikey, mate. | ||
| That's fantastic. | ||
| Have yourself a brew. | ||
| How's your 401k doing, bro? | ||
| All right, we got to go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, all right? | ||
| Let's just get down to business. | ||
| We ain't making that money off that heroin. | ||
| Why are you pimp so good? | ||
| My neck is freakishly large. | ||
| I declare Infowar on you. | ||
| Thank you so much, Eric. | ||
| Yes, thank you very much, Eric. | ||
| So, Jordan. | ||
| Yes, sir. | ||
| I realize that it's been a little while since we've had an Out of Context drop. | ||
| Maybe it hasn't been, but it feels like it has. | ||
| Spiritually. | ||
| Yes, and so I'm thrilled to start today's episode with an Out of Context drop. | ||
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And don't walk outside without your ID or we'll arrest you. | |
| We're a free country. | ||
| I like to add that voice just to let you know how evil these people are. | ||
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Oh. | |
| Oh, so that's why he does it. | ||
| Mystery solved. | ||
| I'm glad in the present he doesn't feel that he needs to explain that. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| I feel like he got it out of the way in 2003. | ||
| That was the first time he let anybody know. | ||
| So good. | ||
| That's why he did the voice. | ||
| So good. | ||
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And now it's on the docket, and we're good. | |
| Just imagine being in his audience, like, why is he doing that voice? | ||
| Is that voice actually how the person sounded? | ||
| Is that an impression? | ||
| So, we start off today's show with Alex covering a story about a Massachusetts family who got in trouble because they didn't want to take a standardized test. | ||
| And an incredible article out of Waltham, Massachusetts. | ||
| Where the family has these wonderful children. | ||
| They're almost grown up. | ||
| They are refusing to let the school system test them. | ||
| And so the police came with the CPS workers and kidnapped them and then tried to threaten them with jail if they didn't take the federally mandated test. | ||
| Now you talk about secret police, folks, where you get arrested. | ||
| We're refusing to take a test when you've been homeschooled your entire life. | ||
| It's all about destroying the family. | ||
| I just... | ||
| I don't know what story this is. | ||
| I hear these details and I'm like, alright, I'm gonna try and find this story. | ||
| I got nothing. | ||
| Nothing. | ||
| I couldn't find anything. | ||
| And I noticed that there was this pattern that's kind of developed. | ||
| In the past that is like, Alex will throw out these stories and it's like, I'm gonna have to really dig to figure out what the fuck you're talking about. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And I think it's intentional. | ||
| Well, if there was, if his story was true... | ||
| I feel like it would be easier to go. | ||
| You know, whenever you go back and look for stories for him in the past, one of the easiest ways to know it's not true is that it's very hard to find. | ||
| Because this story would be very easy to find should it be true. | ||
| I'm not sure that this one would. | ||
| This could easily be a bit of a domestic family court type of issue that may not have been that big of a deal. | ||
| This could be a local news story that just isn't there. | ||
| Possible. | ||
| You know, whatever it is, it's either a non-story. | ||
| Right. | ||
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Or it didn't happen, or there's some lie. | |
| Right. | ||
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But it's very difficult to track down. | |
| Right. | ||
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Now, conversely, I will agree with you that, like, this next story that Alex is talking about, if this happened, everyone should know about this. | |
| Also, every couple months, I'd say every four or five months, I see an article where they send a SWAT team into a school full of kids and they shoot officers. | ||
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What? | |
| They kill officers. | ||
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What? | |
| They shoot children in the face. | ||
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What? | |
| They shoot each other. | ||
| And it's happened again, ladies and gentlemen. | ||
| We have mainstream news articles in the Road to Tyranny where they like to shoot children in drills in the face and kill officers. | ||
| And they've done it again. | ||
| The real scourge of the schools is the SWAT team's mainstream news. | ||
| They've done it again. | ||
| We'll go over that little tidbit for you as well. | ||
| So a big show lined up for you today. | ||
| Would you like to comment on any of these news articles? | ||
| I have some thoughts. | ||
| So, if I understand what he's told me to... | ||
| Correctly. | ||
| It's that SWAT teams, every four or five months, so about three times a year, a SWAT team will go into a school and just mow everyone down, and including themselves. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So it's just a big orgy of bullets, and we don't know about this. | ||
| Yeah, it's not making the news somehow. | ||
| This day, June 13th, Alex has two stories about this. | ||
| There are not one, but two articles today. | ||
| I see these articles every few months where SWAT teams go into schools, shoot their own officers, guns go off, they shoot a kid in the face, blow half their head off, the child's flopping around in a coma. | ||
| That happened up in Detroit last year. | ||
| In a, quote, drill, they shot the kid in the face. | ||
| So at this point, I was kind of getting bewildered listening to this. | ||
| It's pretty rare that Alex talks about specific incidents that I can't find any evidence of having happened. | ||
| Usually there's some detail that he's getting wrong and it makes it more difficult to track down leads, but as I was listening to this episode and trying to assess the claims as I heard them, I was struggling. | ||
| The initial story about the family having their children taken because they wouldn't take a test was intriguing, if short on details. | ||
| But this school shooting is the kind of thing that... | ||
| Everyone would have written an article about. | ||
| This is huge. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They're doing a drill and they shoot a kid? | ||
| Like, that is something that would be... | ||
| Change drills for a while, at least. | ||
| It would be a big conversation nationally, I'm sure. | ||
| Everybody would be like, maybe shooting drills are bad. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| According to Alex, the SWAT team had come to a school in Detroit to do a drill, and they shot a kid in the face. | ||
| And I think that would be a huge deal. | ||
| And I find it hard to believe that I can't find any news stories about this happening, and that it did happen. | ||
| But then Alex kept talking, and it became clear that I think he's just making stuff up. | ||
| Well, it's happened again, and this time, by the grace of God, in both cases, the guns just went off. | ||
| The guns just went off in the classrooms during the drills. | ||
| And, of course, last year, the Fort Worth Star-Telegram reported Cop of the Year, who had recently been transferred to the SWAT team in a school drill in the school with children. | ||
| Was shot in the head by one of the other officers and died on the spot. | ||
| So within a couple minutes, now the story seems to be that a year prior, a cop shot another cop in the head at a school drill. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I don't know if this is the same story or, like, what? | ||
| I don't know what's going on. | ||
| This still isn't good, but you definitely can see that this doesn't appear to be the same story. | ||
| I think something that's very important to involve in this is that zero SWAT teams. | ||
| True. | ||
| So the upside is now I actually know what some of the details of that story are, and I have a better chance of tracking down the story. | ||
| The thing is, the only thing I can find that's close doesn't even match the second version of Alex's story. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So I believe that Alex is talking about Corporal Joseph Cushman, based on the details of the story that he's telling. | ||
| Cop of the year. | ||
| Cushman was involved in a training exercise at an area junior high school and was engaged in a demonstration with another officer when their gun fired and shot Cushman in the head. | ||
| There are some really critical details that match up with Alex's narrative. | ||
| For instance, this was a police officer who was shot in the head within the general time. | ||
| Alright, so he had about a 98, 99 mile an hour fastball. | ||
| But there are these details also that don't match up. | ||
| For one, this didn't happen in Detroit. | ||
| It happened in Arlington, Texas. | ||
| Second, Alex is saying that this happened around children, but that's not true. | ||
| The school district was on summer vacation, and there were no students on campus when they were doing the training. | ||
| There were 200 students enrolled in summer school classes, but those classes ended at noon, and this exercise began at 3 p.m. | ||
| Third, Cushman didn't die on the spot. | ||
| He was taken by helicopter to John Peter Smith Hospital and was pronounced dead at 7.30 that evening. | ||
| I'm fairly sure Joseph Cushman is the cop that Alex is talking about, at least partially because the reference to the story he has is the Fort Worthy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| telegram which is a paper that would be much more likely to cover an accidental police shooting in Arlington Texas than one in Detroit yeah This story itself is horrifying, and it's a good argument against many things, like, you know, cops using real guns in training exercises, or... | ||
| Having guns. | ||
| Cops using schools to stage training at all. | ||
| Having any guns at all, yeah. | ||
| You could take the actual details of the story and use it to make the points you want, but Alex is basically just addicted to lying. | ||
| He can't tell a straight version of the story, even if it works for some of his points. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He still needs to sensationalize it by adding children being present and... | ||
| SWAT teams! | ||
| And I want to say this, because I feel like... | ||
| I could be bordering on offensive in some respect. | ||
| I don't know if there was an incident where a student got shot in a school in Detroit by a cop during an exercise. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I will allow that there is a possibility that this is true. | ||
| I can't find the story that Alex is talking about, but I don't want to be like that didn't happen on the off chance that there is some real incident. | ||
| Right. | ||
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And there's real there's a real tragedy that Alex is in some way misbehaving. | |
| Right, right, right. | ||
| In the world that we live in, it is more possible that something like that happened. | ||
| Or at least possible enough that were it true, everybody would be like, okay. | ||
| That happened is part of the story, but Alex can still be lying about it, even if it happened somewhere else. | ||
| It's not like he remembers it or that kind of thing. | ||
| I can't tell what's going on in terms of what the stories are, but I can find this clear case of what he's talking about with the cop of the year. | ||
| I can't figure out what he's talking about. | ||
| In terms of Detroit. | ||
| And I don't know if they're supposed to be the same story. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I just don't want to be disrespectful on the off chance that there is a story that I missed. | ||
| Totally understand. | ||
| That's all. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Just covering faces. | ||
| This is 20 years ago. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So there's another story that Alex has that makes the point that the SWAT teams are evil. | ||
| They use special weapons. | ||
| And tactics. | ||
| No shit! | ||
| More cops are being killed. | ||
| In Lubbock last year, there was the famous case with a giant armored vehicle. | ||
| The guy's wife had left him. | ||
| He was throwing her stuff out in the front yard. | ||
| Throwing a fit was distraught. | ||
| They came to the house. | ||
| He didn't have any guns. | ||
| They came in. | ||
| There's video and audio of all this. | ||
| The red and green team went in on two sides of the house, shot two of their own officers, killed one of them. | ||
| They planted a gun on the guy, tried to frame him, a good cop who responded on the scene, blew the whistle, and nothing happened to the officers that tried to frame someone and who killed a fellow officer and wounded another one, but at least the innocent man did not go to jail for that. | ||
| So one of the things that I think it's really key to understand and recognize is the way that Alex uses vagueness as a weapon when he tells his stories, and he always has. | ||
| He doesn't get into specifics or even give enough detail for you to really know what story he's talking about because these stories aren't here to be accurate representations of things that happen. | ||
| They exist to evoke feelings that support his worldview. | ||
| This case from Lubbock is about Sergeant Kevin Cox, who was shot and killed during a July 13th, 2001 standoff at the home of Richard Robinson. | ||
| Robinson had barricaded himself in the house following a fight with his wife, apparently also in the process setting some smoke. | ||
| Sure. | ||
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So, the police were trying to gather information about the case and that they learned that Robinson had, quote, talked to a relative earlier in the day about suicide. | |
| While the police were attempting to approach the house and throw in some gas, shooting broke out, and in the confusion of it all, it wasn't clear how it had all gotten started. | ||
| When the dust settled, Conrad said, Cox had been fatally shot and Robinson was arrested and charged with his shooting. | ||
| However, upon analysis of the 13 guns he had, which Alex is weirdly reporting as zero guns, the police determined that Robinson had not actually fired any guns during the standoff, so he couldn't have possibly shot Cox. | ||
| A week later, on July 20th, Robinson was released and the charges were dropped. | ||
| His lawyer told the Lubbock Avalanche Journal, quote, we're so pleased that the police didn't try to cover anything up and the district attorney's office did the right thing. | ||
| Ultimately, it was determined that another officer had fired the bullet that killed Cox and there was no good reason for the shooting to have broken out in the first place. | ||
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Yep. | |
| Except some kind of, like, you know, conversations about, uh, in, in, um... | ||
| Insufficient training, that kind of thing. | ||
| Yeah, I would like taking their guns away, but that's fine. | ||
| The big message of this story is that cops need better training, and that maybe in a situation like the one Robinson was in, militarized police aren't the best approach. | ||
| Possibly better outcomes could have been reached if social workers or mental health professionals were dispatched instead. | ||
| Maybe we'd all be better off if we took some of that funding that goes to the police and diverted it to better approaches to complicated situations like the one... | ||
| It'd be so cool if Alex had still hated the police. | ||
| Like, he and I would be, like... | ||
| On a lot cooler terms. | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| If he still hated the police. | ||
| I think it would be easier for you to be tricked into believing that he wasn't a horrible bigot monster. | ||
| No, just because you hate the cops doesn't mean I'm going to forget you're a horrible bigot. | ||
| But it would make things a little bit smoother for me. | ||
| There's a whole lot of people who I think are piles of shit who have a distrust of billionaires. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| Doesn't really mean that much. | ||
| Definitely true. | ||
| So Alex has taken this story and fudged some of the details to make the central narrative about the police trying to frame this guy when the information doesn't support that narrative at all. | ||
| In order for Alex to fit this square peg into a round hole, he has to lie about things like whether or not Robinson had a gun. | ||
| He has to create this fiction about the police planting a gun on him and a good guy cop on the scene blowing the whistle. | ||
| Alex is a liar, but it's important to understand that he has to be in order to maintain the political beliefs he holds. | ||
| He could not deal with stories honestly and still have the same points that he makes. | ||
| Reality does not back these things up. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, part of what we're dealing with is that as much as he's talking to everybody else on his radio show, he's also convincing himself that he's not a monster, you know? | ||
| So, fuck. | ||
| But look, dude. | ||
| What? | ||
| You gotta worry about these SWAT teams. | ||
| I mean, yeah. | ||
| A SWAT team member blows their other members' head off or shoots them in the back because they're all stumbling around in the dark with shotguns and MP5s to each other's backs. | ||
| In stocked up formation, they're going to kill you on average and plant a gun on you. | ||
| This is horrible and it needs to stop, but it's not going to stop. | ||
| It's going to get worse because Homeland Security is going to increase the funding of it. | ||
| I heard it on the news right here in Austin. | ||
| Are they going to increase the funding of police departments? | ||
| Are they going to increase the funding of them planting guns on you when they kill each other? | ||
| If, if... | ||
| This is unspecific. | ||
| If they are going to ramp up their murdering slash covering up the murder and framing people, they will need to allocate more funds for guns to leave at the scene. | ||
| So, I suppose they will have to... | ||
| DHS is probably going to have to increase funding for that. | ||
| I mean, look. | ||
| Yeah, there's a fine conversation to have about, you know, problems with policing. | ||
| Yes, there is. | ||
| But this is childish. | ||
| This is bad. | ||
| This is bad. | ||
| This diverts you from an actual conversation into like, oh, they're going to kill you and plant a gun on you. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Okay, buddy. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Which is not to say that they don't do that shit. | ||
| But not every time. | ||
| Not every time. | ||
| Yeah, that's my point. | ||
| They don't have a budget for it. | ||
| That's the point. | ||
| So one of the things that I think is really fascinating when you go back to 2003, Jordan, is you start to see things that Alex has an awareness of that he doesn't seem to have an awareness of. | ||
| In the present. | ||
| Maybe primary aspects of his brand are misunderstandings that he didn't have in the past. | ||
| Weird. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| It's very strange. | ||
| Like, for instance, there's one caller calls in on this here June 13th show. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And he's mad about G. Gordon Liddy, right? | ||
| Sure! | ||
| So G. Gordon Liddy is on the radio. | ||
| Right. | ||
| This guy, he calls in. | ||
| He's like, how does it feel to be on a station that's full of censorship? | ||
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It's almost quaint to hear people bitch about G. Gordon Liddy. | |
| Sure. | ||
| It's almost like, oh, yeah, I remember that. | ||
| Your station is censoring. | ||
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Yeah, get him. | |
| What's the proof? | ||
| What's the proof of this? | ||
| And the proof is they won't have Alex's show on their air. | ||
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See? | |
| Right? | ||
| Proof. | ||
| Alex understands that this kind of thing is not censorship. | ||
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And, you know, I have mixed feelings about Mr. Liddy. | |
| Really, I don't want to do a whole show about him. | ||
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Right. | |
| And I just wanted him to know that he was on a radio station that would not allow your program to go on the air. | ||
| Oh, you talked about me? | ||
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No. | |
| Before I could get to him, he cut me off. | ||
| But before I could mention that, that he was on a station that would not allow your program on the air. | ||
| I wanted to get his feelings about that. | ||
| Seeing that censorship is alive and well in this country, we know that Erwin Schiff's book was banned, The Federal Mafia. | ||
| Well, I've got to tell you that if a newspaper or a radio station doesn't want to have somebody on the air, that's not censorship. | ||
| That's their right. | ||
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Right. | |
| But if they heavily censor all the calls and don't let certain views come out if it's an open call format, that is wrong. | ||
| What we need to foster is a loosening of the FCC rules and to force stations to really serve the local community. | ||
| And to at least have some local programs, because that's what the airwaves are. | ||
| They belong to the people. | ||
| That's where you attack the subject. | ||
| I mean, if a station doesn't want to have me on the air, that's their right. | ||
| It's a free country. | ||
| You know, I've had people tell me before, well, you won't post my comments on your website. | ||
| You're censoring me. | ||
| Well, no, they can go start their own website. | ||
| So it's not censorship to not have someone's information if you don't agree with it. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| So you're saying it would be someone's right to not have someone on their platform. | ||
| I mean, certainly that seems spelled out by the comments thing there. | ||
| Yeah, it seems as though censorship, you know, he knows that it's not that. | ||
| Right, like if you have an internet platform that, you know, you own. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And you don't want somebody on there who's a real piece of shit. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, you could call it something like Britter or... | ||
| Kind of, it would be your right. | ||
| It's a free country. | ||
| Yeah, it is a free country. | ||
| Weird. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Strange. | ||
| So weird. | ||
| So strange. | ||
| How Alex gets it and then conveniently doesn't. | ||
| It is almost like they're all making it up as they go along depending on what they think will benefit them most in the exact moment they are existing with no long-term plans whatsoever. | ||
| What's profitable and expedient. | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| So Alex gets another call and this actually charmed me quite a bit. | ||
| This was a caller who's writing a paper and wants Alex's help. | ||
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Oh, no! | |
| Okay, okay. | ||
| I don't think he does a great job, but he does do a good job of revealing very quickly that he has no idea what the person is talking about. | ||
| There we go. | ||
| Brandy in Texas. | ||
| Brandy, you're on the air. | ||
| Go ahead. | ||
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Hey Alex. | |
| Welcome. | ||
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I'm writing a paper for my school about the ethical arguments, if there is one, for regime change in Iran. | |
| And I just wanted to get your take on the riots that were going on for the past 24 hours there. | ||
| Do you think that this is possibly a... | ||
| Rehash of the 1953 CIA. | ||
| Well, why don't you talk about the riots for people that missed it? | ||
| And I was going to get to that. | ||
| Tell folks what's happening right now. | ||
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Basically, they're rioting in the streets against the democratically elected President Khatami over there and trying to oust the Muslim clerics that are... | |
| And then they put the Shah in after the 50s who tortured people, was incredibly brutal, made Saddam look like a choir boy. | ||
| And then, of course, they got the opposite extreme of that with Ayatollah Khomeini. | ||
| Well, gee, I wonder if the riots are caused by the CIA. | ||
| Yeah, that's fascinating. | ||
| That response is so weird. | ||
| Because Brandy starts talking about the present-day situation in 2003, and Alex cuts her off and starts talking about the Shah. | ||
| He just gets it to his talking points and the little bullets that he remembers. | ||
| His move there. | ||
| Which she should have called out immediately. | ||
| Oh yeah. | ||
| That move where he goes, you know, like, oh, I was about to talk about that. | ||
| Why don't you explain what's going on? | ||
| That, it was an instant, like, dude, you have no idea what's going on. | ||
| You fucking liar. | ||
| That is, hey, why don't you explain it for what's going on? | ||
| Why don't you explain it for the rest of the crowd? | ||
| Obviously, I know what you're talking about. | ||
| But you can explain it better than I could. | ||
| You're more eloquent. | ||
| You've got too many words for you not to explain it over me. | ||
| You're calling in to ask for help with a high school paper. | ||
| Presumably a high school paper. | ||
| Maybe college. | ||
| But you can explain this better than I can. | ||
| I think that there are people whose way of engaging No idea. | ||
| No idea. | ||
| So, this caller also needs a citation. | ||
| God, I want that in... | ||
| Just a 16-year-old girl, just like, I am writing a paper about one of the most consequential issues of our day. | ||
| I am going to call in to the only man who speaks the truth, because you can't trust the mainstream media, so I'm going to get his take on it. | ||
| Sir, could you explain? | ||
| You don't know a fucking thing. | ||
| You don't know anything. | ||
| You don't know a goddamn thing. | ||
| What's the point? | ||
| I'm finally disillusioned with this life. | ||
| CIA bad. | ||
| Yeah, so this also needs a little citation about something Alex has talked about, and this is not good. | ||
| Not gonna go well. | ||
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And also I wanted to ask you a question. | |
| I'm trying to write about the neocons, and I was wondering where can I go to get... | ||
| Some information on how to connect them to this Leo Strauss. | ||
| Okay, that was in Reuters. | ||
| It was in the Times of Asia. | ||
| It was in several other papers. | ||
| One headline was, Neocons Dance to a Straussian Waltz. | ||
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Okay. | |
| This is just an editorial article from the Asia Times that Alex is telling this student to use as their primary source about the connection between Leo Strauss and neoconservatism. | ||
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Oh my god. | |
| That's just an asshole teaching the next generation to do a bad job. | ||
| I think you can make a compelling argument that there's some connection between Strauss and the leaders of the neoconservative movement from at least an ideological perspective. | ||
| You can find some overlaps, but you shouldn't rely wholly on the headline of an op-ed to do so. | ||
| Like, if you know anything about the subject you're covering, Alex should be able to point to anything. | ||
| And, like, if you're a teacher and someone, like, in their work cited page... | ||
| She has an editorial. | ||
| That's not good. | ||
| That's not going to fly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, it is fascinating to notice that any right-wing shithead propagandist is absolutely going to fail any high school test. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Like, anything. | ||
| Hold them to the standards that you would hold a high schooler to, and they will fail miserably. | ||
| Alex has had 15 years to come up with a bibliography for Endgame, and if I were a high school teacher, I would throw that in the trash. | ||
| Yeah, get out of here. | ||
| Get out of here. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So Alex has another thing he wants to yell at this young lady about, where he can prove that neocons are actually communists. | ||
| Sure, what? | ||
| We posted this on Monday. | ||
| But you can find it at the National Post. | ||
| It's also on infowars.com. | ||
| Go to thenationalpost.ca in Canada. | ||
| They're big paper. | ||
| Type in, the ghost of Trotsky walks the halls of the White House. | ||
| They'll admit that all the neocons are admitted fourth international communist. | ||
|
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Okay. | |
| Mainstream national posts are communist. | ||
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All right. | |
| Well, thank you very much, Alex. | ||
| You bet. | ||
| That'll really make your liberal professor stumble around. | ||
| In a confused, deprogrammed fashion. | ||
| I doubt it. | ||
| Confused, yes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's just another op-ed. | ||
| Excuse me, child. | ||
| Where did you get this shit? | ||
| Wait, Alex Jones himself told you to do that? | ||
| Wait, this is 2003. | ||
| You'd be like, who's Alex Jones? | ||
| Who the fuck is Alex Jones? | ||
| Why are you taking his advice? | ||
| Dear God. | ||
| I'm your fucking teacher! | ||
| This is just like really awful work being mirrored or being modeled for this student. | ||
| Like, it's just... | ||
| If they learned from this, like, how you're supposed to present your information, like... | ||
| We're doomed. | ||
| I think the deflation... | ||
| I heard a tone of deflation in her voice. | ||
| I think so. | ||
| I would suggest that she learned from this experience, though not what she was hoping to. | ||
| And she will not be the last caller to be disappointed by Alex on this episode. | ||
| So Alex, he's like, you know, that teacher of yours, when you tell him that the fucking mainstream media has admitted that neocons are communists, he's gonna freak out. | ||
| When he's faced with that, he'll like, cannot compute, cannot compute, cannot compute. | ||
| And a lot of times when the smoke's done coming out their pea brain, they will wake up, become gun owners, become pro-liberty constitutionalists, and will deprogram out of the left-wing control system. | ||
| Alex has no idea anything about this teacher. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| He doesn't know if it's a man. | ||
| He doesn't know it's a lefty. | ||
| Anyone in education. | ||
| Anyone in education is a leftist communist monster. | ||
| Does not compute. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| You've shown me an op-ed. | ||
| I've got to go buy a gun. | ||
| It is really funny, that foundational myth that they have about their knowledge of, like, it's going to wake up people on the left. | ||
| And their examples are always somebody who's like, I've never paid attention to politics at all! | ||
| And these guys showed me a YouTube video and now I want to buy guns! | ||
| It's never somebody who's like, yeah, I have an education. | ||
| It's not gonna happen. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Oh well. | ||
| So Alex, in the present day, loves Michael Savage. | ||
| Actually, I haven't heard him talk about it in a while, but the last we heard, he loves Michael Savage. | ||
| Yeah, back in the day. | ||
| Because Savage is a patriot. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like Trump. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Turns out in 2003, Alex hated Michael Savage. | ||
| You see, when you find out the Michael Savages are dirty, oily, slimy beatniks, then the deprogramming can begin. | ||
| You find out these neocons are the scum of the earth, total and complete trash. | ||
| They tell you, oh yeah, we're for your guns while passing gun control. | ||
| Oh yeah, we're for the borders, we'll open the borders. | ||
| See, they're Trojan horses. | ||
| They're enemy cloaked attacks. | ||
| Let's recognize them. | ||
| Let's decloak them. | ||
| Let's pull away the veils. | ||
| So what I would like is... | ||
| Alex, to wrestle with or have a discussion about what changed about Michael Savage between 2003 and, let's say, 2019. | ||
| Or, I would like him to have a conversation about what he misread in 2003 and how wrong he was about Michael Savage being a wolf in sheep's clothing and a greasy hippie. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| I have never considered Michael Savage a, I wrote it down, a dirty, oily, slimy beatnik. | ||
| Well, he was a beatnik kind of guy early on, like in the 60s and 70s. | ||
| Sure, now that I understand. | ||
| I don't get that in 2003. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| He was hanging out with like Ginsburg and shit. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, I remember hearing about that. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So that's what Alex is responding to. | ||
| It's like that piece of his history makes him a dirty beatnik. | ||
| And it's like, uh, no. | ||
| Yeah, he wouldn't like to find out very well how the beatniks, especially the ones that were involved there, all kind of wound up being nutbags. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Who are we guest? | ||
| Alex had that caller who was writing the paper, and I think he realized, like, well, I better pretend that I was going to talk about this Iran stuff. | ||
| I better figure out what I'm going to do. | ||
| And here is a great prediction on Alex's part about what's going to happen in Iran. | ||
| Now, they tell us a month ago that they want to destabilize Iran through the student movements controlled by global intelligence agencies and reinstall relatives of the Shah, reinstall a hereditary dictatorship put in a literal monarchy. | ||
| and now the foolish MTV generation over there. | ||
| And I'm not defending the Ayatollahs or any of those guys. | ||
| Do they? | ||
| See, yeah, that's interesting. | ||
| I don't think this has come to pass at this point. | ||
| The relatives of the Shah. | ||
| No, I haven't seen the Shah come back yet. | ||
| No, in a new monarchy. | ||
| Like a King Arthur situation, I imagine, is what we're talking about. | ||
| Good, good. | ||
| I mean, Alex is more right than all other news media stuff. | ||
| He's always right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's real tough to go from a theocracy back. | ||
| To a monarchy. | ||
| You know? | ||
| The theocracy, the religious people don't like going back to a monarchy. | ||
| No. | ||
| I think we're only a few years away from Ahmadinejad coming in, too. | ||
| I wonder if Alex is going to deal with that. | ||
| Free elections! | ||
| Free elections! | ||
| So, Alex, you know, just right about everything. | ||
| Just so, so, so, so right! | ||
| And I don't know how he nailed this prediction, but it was just spectacular. | ||
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And they want to put, like, a chip in those, and now they have weapons. | |
| Well, that's to make it a credit card as well. | ||
| Real quick, he's talking about driver's licenses or state IDs. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So when they bankrupt the economy, like Argentina, they will then put your monthly credits. | ||
| It will seize your bank account and allow you $200 a month. | ||
| And then you'll all have to go into government housing, and then they are going to form work projects. | ||
| And, of course, they'll have to guard the important work projects. | ||
| So Governor Ridge has announced the Army will be there with M-16s overseeing you with the work projects. | ||
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They have weaponry that can melt those chips, though. | |
| Well, you can put it in the microwave, but then when you try to go in the store to buy food because of the new national sales tax, you won't be able to buy food, ma 'am. | ||
| It's a cashless society. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| I mean, I don't know how he was so ahead of his time. | ||
| I love that. | ||
| I want more conversations with callers like that, where he's like, ah, they're gonna do this whole thing with computer chips, and they're gonna put it in there, and then they're gonna kill you. | ||
| There are weapons to melt them. | ||
| Ah, but they've got weapons to melt those computer chips. | ||
| And he's like, okay, well, you could put it in a microwave. | ||
| That's one way to do it. | ||
| Okay, you can go through there, but then they're gonna come back to your home, and she's like, ah, but what if I put it in a bigger microwave? | ||
| Like, yeah, just all day. | ||
| What if I put it in a microwave and then freeze it? | ||
| Just go all the way. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Also, I... | ||
| Find this to be stupid. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Well, one big reason is, at this point, Alex is less talking about the devil... | ||
| Being the big bad guy and it's the banks are the big bad guys. | ||
| Why the fuck would the banks destroy their own industry in order to make all state IDs, credit cards? | ||
| They would ruin the entire basis of their financial power. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| See, once you have money, you realize it's about power. | ||
| You think money turns into power, but when you have power, you don't need money. | ||
| No, you do. | ||
| They're interconnected in a certain sense. | ||
| You might say that. | ||
| You might argue that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It does feel like this era of the show feels a little bit more like sci-fi dystopia stuff. | ||
| Poorly thought out schemes. | ||
| Yes, yes. | ||
| That's a good way. | ||
| That's what I would describe this as. | ||
| It does have a feeling of Alex just sitting there laying back being like, all right, if I was going to torture everybody, how would I do it? | ||
| Villains acting against their self-interest. | ||
| The power. | ||
| Ta-da. | ||
| So, Alex gets another caller, and this guy has a great, great ask. | ||
| And it's, hey, Alex, you know all those documents you got? | ||
| Why don't you put them on a floppy disk? | ||
| Because we could look at them. | ||
| I think that's a great ask. | ||
| Dun-dun-dun. | ||
| I think that is the most normal question anyone could have for Alex. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Hey, Alex, I believe you. | ||
| Now. | ||
| Can I get them documents? | ||
| Alex can't do it, though. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| Roy in Michigan, you're on the air. | ||
| Go ahead. | ||
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Yeah, Alex, the data that you've got there, like the manuals from the different police departments and all that type of thing, you know, if you was to put that type of thing on the floppy disk, I know I would sure be happy to buy the floppy disk from you, and that I could put it on my... | |
| The computer had taken runoff copies of that to get that data out there. | ||
| Well, I mean, the manuals, the video clips on CD-ROM, the stuff I've got is just repeats of the same stuff over and over again. | ||
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I understand it, but see, if you had it organized like this, all the data that you've got from 9-1-1, all the different newspaper articles and all that type of thing. | |
| Here's the problem. | ||
| Here's the problem. | ||
| I did two hours in Salt Lake City yesterday in the morning. | ||
| Then I did a 45-minute interview. | ||
| Then I did my own show. | ||
| Then I did two live TV shows. | ||
| I did an hour on Jeff Rents. | ||
| I then got to bed at about 2 a.m. | ||
| And I was up at 6.30 this morning doing more interviews and then doing some errands. | ||
| So I'm sorry. | ||
| I just can't do it. | ||
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No, I wasn't thinking about yourself personally, but maybe somebody there, look, because you have the access to these. | |
| Like, I can't get the manuals. | ||
| Where would I get the manuals that were given to the police departments as far as their training? | ||
| Well, we have some of the manuals and video of them and news articles in the road to tyranny. | ||
| This is the nightmare. | ||
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This is the worst conversation. | |
| The menu where you can download it from a floppy disk and distribute it. | ||
| Law enforcement magazines like the Firearms and Weapons of Law Enforcement April issue 2001 lauded the virtues of torture. | ||
| I've got other mainstream law enforcement magazines listeners fax me. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| That's not what I was asking. | ||
| This is amazing. | ||
| We've got two classic classic Fantastic moves by people who have no idea what they're talking about. | ||
| We've got the, why don't you explain it? | ||
| And now we've also got the, like, look, I'm just too busy. | ||
| Can I? | ||
| Can I? | ||
| Ask also, who the fuck are all these people who are interviewing Alex? | ||
| Like, what are the two live TV shows that he had to go on in the same day? | ||
| Two live TV shows. | ||
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I can't imagine that he's actually this busy in 2003. | |
| Hey, he would love to put all of these world-shattering documents onto a floppy disk and then sell them to this guy. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| But he just doesn't have the time, Dan. | ||
| I would very, very, very sincerely argue, and I would have probably in 2003, too, that if Alex was sincere about what he was doing, his stated mission, what he's pretending to be, he has a moral obligation to make this floppy disk. | ||
| Because if what he's saying is accurate, then everyone must know. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| And if this is the proof, then the proof needs to be seen by everybody. | ||
| Now, the problem with that is once you reveal your proof, you reveal what can be critiqued. | ||
| Once you lay your proof on the table, someone like Dan can come along, take a look at it, and be like, oh wait, this doesn't say what you think it says. | ||
| This is a lie. | ||
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This is misrepresented. | |
| You're ruining the fun. | ||
| See? | ||
| This is what happens when I put all of my stuff out here. | ||
| Dan shows up and makes me look like a fool. | ||
| I could have had a 30-year-long career. | ||
| I understand. | ||
| Look, I don't want to be a jerk. | ||
| I don't want to be a jerk. | ||
| And, like, honestly, I'd be on your team if your proof meant anything. | ||
| I really would. | ||
| I would join. | ||
| You know, this is not... | ||
| I wouldn't be a racist. | ||
| This is the problem. | ||
| Conditional love. | ||
| Conditional love is what I get from you. | ||
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It's not love. | |
| I want unconditional love. | ||
| No, you give me conditional love. | ||
| You're mistaking believing and love. | ||
| I don't think unconditional believing is ever healthy. | ||
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Well, let me... | |
| You're not for this place. | ||
| Get out of here. | ||
| I'm going to need to see your computer chip ID and put it in the microwave. | ||
| I don't think I have a place in the Republic of Texas. | ||
| I don't think you have a place in the Republic of Texas. | ||
| Yeah, I loved that exchange. | ||
| Because that guy, the questions are straight up. | ||
| They are like, alright, yeah. | ||
| I see what you're saying. | ||
| I know you're busy, but there's got to be someone else who could put this together. | ||
| I'm not talking about you personally. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Nah. | ||
| Hey, did you know that law enforcement magazines say stuff? | ||
| Sir, I was expecting you to take no for an answer at least the second or third time. | ||
| Now that you have gone to number four, I am very angry at you. | ||
| This goes on, and actually Alex has a whole other reason why he can't do this. | ||
| Of course he does! | ||
| Which is amazing. | ||
| More and more excuses. | ||
| You're saying take it all and stick it in one place. | ||
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Just stick it in one place and be able to take it to buy those from you. | |
| I'm sure there in Austin you could find. | ||
| Hundreds of guys that are in the same position I am trying to get that information out. | ||
| I can't legally take things out of whole cloth and just resell other people's stuff. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Copyright is your argument. | ||
| I've got copyright infringement to worry about. | ||
| Wholesale dump the ADL and the Southern Poverty Law Center and the FBI's training manuals on CDs and sell them. | ||
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See, I wasn't realizing that you had some complication there, but I knew that. | |
| Yeah, I can't say take. | ||
| Oh, and now he got the positive call. | ||
| 1984, and reprint it and shell it. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Oh, man, did you see that one brief moment of weakness that the other guy had, and he was like, bounce! | ||
| I can't do it! | ||
| You just can't do it! | ||
| I've won because I've brought up the specter of copyright law, and this guy has decided to take that seriously, and now this is my reason for not providing evidence. | ||
| Yep, this one makes sense. | ||
| I'm fine with this one. | ||
| This one'll work. | ||
| So dumb. | ||
| So dumb. | ||
| Oh, that's beautiful. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Copyright law. | ||
| Alex can't prove that the globalists have these evil plans because he'd get sued for copyright infringement. | ||
| Listen, listen, I would love to tell you that my boss has murdered 38 people, but I signed an NDA! | ||
| I'm sorry! | ||
| If true, Alex is a rank coward. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| I know he's lying, but even if you take everything he's saying seriously, he's so afraid of getting a copyright lawsuit that he can't save the world. | ||
| Listen, I would love to save millions of lives. | ||
| I would love to, but I am shoestring budget here, you know? | ||
| I'm paycheck to paycheck. | ||
| Right, and that's why you need to take something like this, a conversation like this that has been thoroughly embarrassing, and turn it into a money-making proposition. | ||
| So that's really the place to start, is with my films. | ||
| And you need to get them, folks. | ||
| You need to get them and make copies. | ||
| You need to educate people now. | ||
| We've got the tools to wake up America. | ||
| We've got the tools to educate the people about who the real terrorists are, about who the real enemy combatants are. | ||
| So before I go back to your calls and into the news, I hope that everybody goes to Infowars.com or PrisonPlanet.com. | ||
| And I hope you'll order. | ||
| My films today! | ||
| The solution is always something that will benefit Alex. | ||
| It's something within his revenue streams. | ||
| That is just the direction this ship goes. | ||
| And it's fascinating to see it just play out so predictably with this caller. | ||
| I obviously don't think I would agree with much that this caller believes, probably. | ||
| Probably not. | ||
| But I do think that from everything that they're bringing to the table and everything The way the conversation tracks, I think they're being sincere. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| And that's why Alex hates it more than anything else, is because he's coming with a certain level-headed, monotone credibility to him. | ||
| Just like that tone of voice is like, listen, I believe you. | ||
| I just want to get everything. | ||
| I want to do what's best for the info war. | ||
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Exactly. | |
| I want to be actively engaged in it. | ||
| I'm willing to. | ||
| Clearly, I'm dedicated. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I just need these tools for you. | ||
| How am I supposed to get these manuals that you have? | ||
| It's just sad. | ||
| That is sad. | ||
| That is one of those ultimate, like, if that guy didn't lose confidence there. | ||
| Copyright law. | ||
| If that guy didn't lose confidence with that, then you're in Alex's crew forever. | ||
| Because that's a don't meet your heroes level of like, oh no, you're a massive disappointment, aren't you? | ||
| Copyright law. | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
| So, Alex gets back to the story about the family in Waltham, Massachusetts. | ||
| And we can finally get some details on that. | ||
| Here's an amazing story. | ||
| And I'm going to get these people on the show. | ||
| You'll be hearing them on the show. | ||
| They'll come on. | ||
| This is out of the Metro West Daily News out of Massachusetts. | ||
| Waltham. | ||
| A legal battle over two homeschooled children exploded into a seven-hour standoff yesterday when they refused to take a standardized test. | ||
| Again, a legal battle over two homeschooled children exploded into a seven-hour standoff yesterday when they refused to take a standardized test ordered by the Department of Social Services. | ||
| So this is almost two hours into the show now where Alex finally gives details about this story that he started the show talking about. | ||
| So it's, you know, this family got in trouble because they didn't want to take a test. | ||
| Sure, it seems like on the second telling there's an additional bit of information. | ||
| There's some more details. | ||
| He does say the people's names and, like, you can just... | ||
| Search for these sentences that he's cold reading. | ||
| You can find what he's talking about. | ||
| It's pretty hard to find the actual article that Alex is reading, but you can find the text copy and pasted on all kinds of right-wing message boards, mostly around mid-June 2003, right, when this episode is airing. | ||
| Sounds about right. | ||
| If I had to guess, I would say that Alex is probably just reporting this straight off AR15.com. | ||
| The most full version of this article I can find is on Free Republic's message board, and I don't think that this is a real... | ||
| I mean, I think it might be a real article, but it's possibly, like, I don't know how much of this is... | ||
| Is it apocryphal, kind of like that meme where the soldier is in the professor's classroom and the professor says something and the soldier stands up and he's like, I love America! | ||
| And then the professor, like, gives him 50 bucks or whatever it is. | ||
| Have you ever seen those memes? | ||
| No. | ||
| Oh, it's the same thing. | ||
| So what I'm talking about is, like, this article quotes the Department of Social Service worker named Susan Etzkovitz as saying, quote, we have legal custody of the children and we will do with them as we see fit. | ||
| They are minors and they will do what we tell them to. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I absolutely do not believe that's a quote, but it's presented as such in this article. | ||
| But if you look closely, you'll see that this quote is actually, you know, it's being reported in this article, but it's actually a secondhand... | ||
| No, that's not a surprise. | ||
| It's a quote from Eskowitz that was relayed to the reporter by the family, but is being included in the article as if it's a quote. | ||
| This is not appropriate presentation of the story, and it speaks volumes about whoever originally wrote this piece. | ||
| Do you think the family might have had, I don't know, maybe a personal interest that might have colored perhaps their interpretation of the quote? | ||
| Yeah, and it may have also, like, the article might be a little bit one-sided. | ||
| Oh, yeah, that's possible. | ||
| As best as I can tell, this was one in a long string of incidents involving this family's approach to homeschooling. | ||
| Apparently, the district that they lived in, the school district, their policy about homeschooling requires that educational plans be filed and that there is a set grading system in place for the students, two things that this family refused to comply with, according to the article. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Also, according to the article, the parents lost legal custody of the children in 2001, but it doesn't say what for exactly. | ||
| And overall, this is a mess, and it's not just about a test. | ||
| Yeah, I'm really... | ||
| When they said it was about a test, I was like, let's see what happens, but now I'm starting to guess that there's more than the test. | ||
| Well, maybe the kernel of the present story has to do with this test, but it's not about that. | ||
| Right. | ||
| What's going on is a much larger situation that, you know, a lot of that context... | ||
| And the stuff that fills in the picture is stuff that Alex is conveniently ignoring. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because this story is a prop for him. | ||
| And actually looking at the details and reporting out the story as it exists probably make it a less useful prop. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And why would you do that? | ||
| They don't seem like the most sympathetic heroes that he's trying to paint them as. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And, you know, I mean, it's just so predictable. | ||
| Like, Alex just reads through this story. | ||
| And listen to this. | ||
| Read one. | ||
| Let me read what this monster said again. | ||
| Let me find it. | ||
| Let me find what this DSS worker said. | ||
| Let me find it. | ||
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We have legal custody. | |
| This is a quote. | ||
| We have legal custody of the children, and we will do them as... | ||
| Let me read it again. | ||
| This is a quote. | ||
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We have legal custody of the children, and we will do with them as we see fit, DSS worker Susan. | |
| Esther Kovitz told the Bryants in their Gale Street home. | ||
| She continued, They are minors, and they do what we tell them to do. | ||
| Close quote. | ||
| I like that the close quote was still in the deal with the witch voice. | ||
| Yeah, that is really nice that he did the voice. | ||
| That's commitment to the bed. | ||
| Yeah, close quote. | ||
| Did Moskovitz include that in her quote? | ||
| Probably. | ||
| Close quote. | ||
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I will kill the children. | |
| Close quote. | ||
| Make sure you quote me on that, but at that point, do not quote this part of the statement. | ||
| One of the things that's so important, though, is now we know why he did the voice. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Thankfully, that's been cleared up. | ||
| That has been cleared up. | ||
| It is nice. | ||
| It is nice to know now. | ||
| Yeah, so the only part of this story that he really latches onto and sort of can really bring to life is this quote that's a second-hand thing that the family said that this lady said that's being presented as a quote in this story. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's just... | ||
| Trash. | ||
| This is just bad. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| This is that level of dispute that you find on a Judge Judy episode where they're telling you the story about Moskovitz and then Judge Judy asks three questions. | ||
| And they're like, okay, well, maybe she didn't say that. | ||
| It's Escovitz. | ||
| Maybe she didn't say exactly Escovitz. | ||
| Maybe she didn't say that word for word. | ||
| In court, I wouldn't say she said that word for word. | ||
| But she said it. | ||
| I find this to be... | ||
| I mean, this is kind of what Alex's niche is like at this point. | ||
| I mean, he just finds a couple of headlines and rambles about them. | ||
| Sometimes does some characters. | ||
| That's an easy job. | ||
| It's pretty sweet. | ||
| Yeah, that's nice. | ||
| That's nice. | ||
| All you're doing is TV interviews and avoiding work that could help people, I guess? | ||
| If I were him, I might have stayed right in that sweet pocket. | ||
| It's sweet, sweet pocket. | ||
| Yeah, that's where you want to go. | ||
| That's where you want to go. | ||
| Like Icarus, he flew too close to the sun. | ||
| Can't do it. | ||
| With all those supplements. | ||
| It's going to make you sad. | ||
| So he's got another story, and this is actually the story that he was talking about earlier, which is he has his headlines about the shooting at schools by the SWAT teams. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| He said there's two stories today. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| He's got one. | ||
| But then look who's really doing stuff with guns. | ||
| Bay 9 News. | ||
| Police officer gun goes off during drill inside Manatee High School in Florida. | ||
| Training drills are nothing new for Brandon police officers, but a live bullet fired inside a high school is certainly not procedure. | ||
| Deborah Green thought it was a clear backfire, a car backfiring. | ||
| I was inside cleaning and heard a loud noise, said Green. | ||
| Pretty scary. | ||
| As it turns out, the noise was a gunshot during a routine drill on Tuesday at Brandon. | ||
| Police officer's gun accidentally went off inside the Manatee High School classroom. | ||
| According to the school board critical incident response report, the bullet went into a classroom wall. | ||
| No one was heard, but the incident left some wondering how this could have happened. | ||
| Well, they killed top of the year last year in Fort Worth in a drill with kids in the room. | ||
| Blew his head off in front of them. | ||
| That was nice. | ||
| Last year, they shot a kid in the face up in Detroit in a drill in a school. | ||
| Just shoot a little kid in the face. | ||
| It's okay. | ||
| So, again, I find some of the details definitely wrong about the past drills that Alex is talking about, and some of them questionable. | ||
| I'm not entirely sure. | ||
| And also, this drill in the Florida thing, I couldn't get a sense of if there were kids. | ||
| Around at all? | ||
| Again, it's during the summer. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So, like, I think... | ||
| Well, I mean, if the SWAT teams ran in, started blowing children away and themselves, then yes, there would have had to be kids there, right? | ||
| In the article about this Florida drill, there's a reference to the football coach who was having a camp. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And he couldn't... | ||
| He didn't even hear the gunshot. | ||
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Okay. | |
| So, presumably, there's, like, a summer football camp that's going on. | ||
| Outside, in a way, and maybe they're in some area of the school where nobody is at, and one of their guns went off because they didn't empty the holster or empty the chamber, and it went into the wall. | ||
| Like, obviously awful and bad, but not rising to the level that Alex is presenting. | ||
| It was not SWAT teams going in and blowing everyone and themselves away. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| And that seems like a dumb way to talk about this. | ||
| That is a terrible way to talk about this. | ||
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Yes. | |
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So we got one last clip. | ||
| Alex gets another call. | ||
| And man, it seems like a theme on this show. | ||
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Yeah, I just wanted to track that particular article down. | |
| You mentioned the Fourth Socialist International. | ||
| And then, you remember that article about Wolsey in World War IV? | ||
| Is that still available at your website? | ||
| Do you have any idea? | ||
| Well, yeah, we post the articles, hundreds of them a day, and you can go find them if you like. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Wow. | ||
| I like that. | ||
| I like that. | ||
| Go. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Be gone with thee. | ||
| I think he might have had a better answer if he hadn't have dealt with this same kind of thing twice on this episode. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Caller's needing some kind of like, hey, what are you talking about? | ||
| Look, copyright law. | ||
| Honestly, I bet he remembers this show. | ||
| Three callers asking him for fucking documents. | ||
| That must have been his worst show in the history of the world. | ||
| It's pretty nuts, because it doesn't happen that often. | ||
| Right, he remembers this specific day. | ||
| His nightmares about it. | ||
| Exactly, yeah. | ||
| People won't stop asking me for proof! | ||
| I find it so interesting that he's hung up on copyright law when he, without permission, reposts other people's news stories on Infowars and re-headlines them. | ||
| Sure, but he's paying them an exposure. | ||
| Oh, sure. | ||
| He's paying for their content. | ||
| Why are you paying the SPLC an exposure, too? | ||
| Well, he can't pay the globalists for exposure, okay? | ||
| And he's not going to give them money in a lawsuit, so there's just nothing he can do. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He signed an NDA, Dan. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| Very unconvincing display today here from Alex. | ||
| Not good. | ||
| I'm not going to get over that that dude was like, oh, well, copyright law. | ||
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Copyright law. | |
| That was the one where he was like, well, that's international or intergalactic trading shit all over again. | ||
| These people believe in weird, intractable laws for some reason. | ||
| Maritime. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| I don't understand it. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, I would like it if Alex was just like, all right, the copyright law thing didn't work, and then he just yells tariffs. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Whatever, yeah. | ||
| Just yell something. | ||
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I won't submit to a FOIA request. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| So, you know, we come to the end of this and Alex is still waiting on that floppy disk, baby. | ||
| Let's get that thing put together. | ||
| Well, we do have that Microsoft Encarta CD. | ||
| That was pretty heavily used in Endgame, right? | ||
| Well, I mean, you gotta go get a physical copy of the CD. | ||
| Those links don't work anymore. | ||
| That's gonna be tough. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, yeah, we'll be back. | ||
| You know, I think this episode's a little bit shorter, and I've had a little bit of stuff going on this week, so I've been a little bit busy, and also Alex in the present day is on timeout, and I think it's hilarious that these callers keep asking him for... | ||
| Just kept going. | ||
| And he's got nothing. | ||
| So good. | ||
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Loved it. | |
| But we will be back, Jordan, on Monday for episode 600. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| The spectacular. | ||
| Plum 600. | ||
| It's going to be hard for me not to drink that before. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| Listen, you're a performer. | ||
| Not that good. | ||
| You can drink it before and then really ramp it up. | ||
| On show day, you've got to bring it, though. | ||
| No, I don't think I can do that. | ||
| I can't artificially... | ||
| Look, there might be artificial flavors, but I can't be artificial. | ||
| No, don't you do it. | ||
| All right, we'll be back. | ||
| All right, we'll be back. | ||
| But until then, we have a website. | ||
| We do. | ||
| It's knowledgefight.com. | ||
| We're also on Twitter. | ||
| We are on Twitter. | ||
| It's at knowledgefight.net. | ||
| Go to bed, Jordan. | ||
| Yep, we'll be back. | ||
| But until then, I'm Neo. | ||
| I'm Leo. | ||
| I'm DZX Clark. | ||
| I'm Daryl Rundis. | ||
| And now, here comes the sex robots. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| You're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
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I'm a huge fan. | |
| I love your work. |