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May 10, 2021 - Knowledge Fight
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#556: May 6-7, 2021

Today, Dan and Jordan check in on how last week ended on The Alex Jones Show. In this installment, Alex discovers another bombshell that turns out to be a dud, a bunch of stunt lawsuits are announced, Alex gives humanity a 10% chance of avoiding the rise of Lord Humungus.

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alex jones
18:20
d
dan friesen
45:25
j
jordan holmes
25:14
Appearances
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robert barnes
01:28
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nick fuentes
00:25
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steve quayle
00:02
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Speaker Time Text
alex jones
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys.
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
Dan and George.
Knowledge fight.
I need, I need money.
Andy in Kansas.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
Stop it.
Andy in Kansas.
Andy in Kansas.
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air.
Thanks for holding us.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first time caller.
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody!
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes.
Worship Celine.
alex jones
Yep.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
We're going to struggle with this for a while.
dan friesen
Talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
We should have added this earlier on, maybe in our 300th episode, and then we'd be practiced by now.
dan friesen
I just need to also be more mindful of it.
unidentified
True, true.
dan friesen
When I'm starting the episode, just remember, novelty beverages out, cult of Celine in.
jordan holmes
Right.
I mean, when you're starting any religion, you want to be more mindful.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
I think that's the point.
dan friesen
There needs to be some intention to it, which I'm failing.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Well, that would be our religion.
Hey, came back to life.
Who gives a shit?
Whatever.
Live your own way.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, Jordan, how are you doing?
jordan holmes
I'm doing well, Dan.
I have a quick question for you.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
What is your bright spot today?
dan friesen
My bright spot today is actually, I think...
Okay, so you know how, like, in school, you'd be like, when am I ever going to need to use this?
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
You talk about, like, math or anything?
Sure, sure.
I sometimes feel that way about this podcast.
Like, I learned stuff and I'm like, what am I ever gonna need to do this?
jordan holmes
Fair, fair.
dan friesen
I spend a lot of time learning things that will never, ever come up in anyone's daily life.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
I think you're gonna have a lot of natural-sounding conversations that just end up in this information.
dan friesen
I had a moment where it actually came into play.
jordan holmes
Oh, shit!
dan friesen
And it felt really good.
jordan holmes
Okay, what happened?
dan friesen
So I was taking a Lyft ride from coming home, and the guy, it was a very nice conversation, nothing against this guy.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
But we were talking about some of the difficulties of the COVID year and all this, and the conversation veered into talking about public debt and the deficit.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And so this guy was saying that...
jordan holmes
The Fed was started by three senators.
No, no, no.
dan friesen
Nothing that hyper-specific.
jordan holmes
Not there.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Just that China owns half our debt.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
And without even missing a beat, I was like, that's not true.
And he's like, yeah, they own a lot.
I'm like, they own a bit, but not nearly that much.
I've looked into this.
It's mostly stuff we owe ourselves.
jordan holmes
Listen, sir, sir.
I am one of the few people who, when you hear I've looked into this, you fucking listen.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's like, the China owns a little bit.
jordan holmes
Nope.
Nope.
Lift right over.
And you jumped out the window.
dan friesen
Guy was very nice, and I didn't, like, want to shame him or be a dick about it or anything.
unidentified
No, of course not.
dan friesen
But it was a rare occasion where I was like, ha-ha-ha.
Not gonna back down on this one.
jordan holmes
This is the hill I die on.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So how about you?
What's your bright spot?
jordan holmes
My bright spot, Dan?
I went to my first Cubs game in two years, Dan.
dan friesen
Why was that?
jordan holmes
Why was what, Dan?
Don't make me do this.
dan friesen
Happy birthday, Jordan.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Dan.
Fine.
dan friesen
It was your birthday this weekend.
jordan holmes
It was my birthday this weekend.
dan friesen
Happy birthday.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I went to the game.
It was fantastic.
I have a very fun story that is going to sound self-aggrandizing at first, but it is very much not about that.
dan friesen
Frank Rizzo said you had the best arm.
If only.
jordan holmes
If only, Dan.
dan friesen
Is that his first name?
jordan holmes
No, it's Anthony Rizzo.
dan friesen
Who's Frank Rizzo?
jordan holmes
Frank Rizzo is a guy.
Who is Frank Rizzo?
dan friesen
The character or something?
jordan holmes
Yeah, I think so.
dan friesen
Anyway, keep going.
jordan holmes
Yeah, anyways.
There was this...
Everybody was socially distanced in the park.
It was good stuff.
And a row behind us, about ten seats away, there was this dude who showed up wearing a goddamn t-shirt.
It was a nice day, but...
At Wrigley...
Whatever it is outside, it is 20 degrees lower than that inside, you know, on the thing.
So this guy is absolutely freezing.
And then the sun goes behind the clouds, and everybody is freezing.
Everybody is curled up.
And I keep turning and looking back at this fucking guy with his bare sleeves.
Like, I'm losing my arm.
I'm losing my mind, right?
So I have to go.
Like, I can't do this anymore.
So I go and I buy him a fucking blanket.
I have to.
You know, like, this is not me being...
This is me like, I can't watch this fucking game unless you do something.
So it's either you get a blanket or I ask them to make you leave.
Those are your options.
Blanket it is.
It's not a self-aggrandizing story at all.
dan friesen
You gotta buy him a Snuggie.
jordan holmes
That's basically what it was.
dan friesen
So it turns out Frank Rizzo was the racist mayor of Philadelphia.
He was a notorious...
jordan holmes
That's why I remember...
Yeah, he's a piece of shit.
dan friesen
Yeah, I'm looking at his Wikipedia page here.
And as mayor, Rizzo was a strong opponent of desegregation in Philadelphia schools and prevented the construction of public housing in majority white neighborhoods.
While running for a third term, Rizzo urged supporters to, quote, vote white.
unidentified
Whoa.
jordan holmes
You know, I think that says a lot about us that the first Rizzo's that come to mind are, in your situation, anti-communist nightmares.
And in mine, baseball.
dan friesen
Well, also Ratzo Rizzo.
Wasn't he a Muppet?
jordan holmes
Ratzo was great.
dan friesen
Anyway, Jordan, today we have a prison day episode to go over.
We're going to be talking about...
Our last episode was May 7th, 2003.
Now today, we're going to be talking about May 6th and 7th, 2021.
Blackjack.
jordan holmes
I think we both stopped for a second to see if the other would do it first.
What is wrong with us?
Why can't we do our own bits?
dan friesen
Well, that's like when you get to the door at the same time as somebody.
jordan holmes
Yes, exactly.
dan friesen
Who's holding the door for who?
jordan holmes
It was like I was letting you go.
Excuse me, sir, after you.
dan friesen
This is interesting.
It's a fun stretch of time, and I'm excited to get into it.
But before we do, Jordan, we've got a Wonk and a Technocrat to give a shout-out to.
First, Wonk, thank you so much.
Marnix, you are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Thank you, Marnix.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Marnix.
dan friesen
And technocrat Dirk Gently's.
alex jones
Why are you pimp so good?
My neck is freakishly large.
I declare...
Infowar on you.
dan friesen
Dirk Gently's cat would also like to say happy birthday to Will S. Ooh, happy birthday, Will S. So, Dirk, you might notice there's a few, only a few policy ones.
jordan holmes
It's a bit shorter.
dan friesen
Yeah, and that's because in honor of your birthday.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
We have some birthday shout-outs.
Okay.
Okay.
jordan holmes
All right.
We're doing May all at once.
dan friesen
Not all of May, but it turns out there's a cluster right around here that I think it's because of you.
jordan holmes
Naturally.
dan friesen
So, Stephen.
Happy birthday from Keith.
That was over the weekend.
On the 9th.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
The 9th.
jordan holmes
Happy birthday.
dan friesen
Day after your birthday.
Sunday.
jordan holmes
Come on.
dan friesen
Mother's Day.
jordan holmes
Don't give people detailed information.
My passwords aren't that strong.
dan friesen
Oh, no.
Might want to rethink those.
So, also, Corinna.
Happy birthday.
That's coming up on the 11th.
unidentified
Ooh.
dan friesen
So, coming up in the middle of this week.
jordan holmes
Happy birthday, Corinna.
dan friesen
And Tom from his brother, Megaron.
jordan holmes
He's just ten rons put together into one giant ron.
dan friesen
Is that how it works with the queen's measurements?
jordan holmes
Do you mean like he's ten stone?
dan friesen
Metric?
Couldn't come up with the word metric?
jordan holmes
I was going to go with Power Rangers.
He's a Megazord.
dan friesen
Okay.
And that is also on the 11th.
Happy birthday, Tom from Megaron.
Yes.
Also, we have something that I missed in the mailbag last time we got together.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
So, yep.
So this was something that I actually had on the list that I was going to bring up last time, but I had forgotten the note in the other room.
And this note is too good not to share with the world.
Dear Dan and Jordan, the Society for the Preservation of Raptor Royalty have determined that I am no longer fit to be a regent for this raptor princess as I have been traveling and moving too much to keep her safe.
Dan, I hope she doesn't eat your chocolate.
Jordan, I hope Dan doesn't eat your chocolate.
Thank you so much for your wonderful podcast and for the cool community on Facebook.
You guys help me stay sane.
Happy euphoria chocolating, I think?
Euphoric chocolating?
From Karen C. This ceramic raptor princess.
Is just the coolest thing.
I have to assume that Karen found this at a thrift store.
jordan holmes
Something.
dan friesen
But it is just amazing.
jordan holmes
It's so cool.
dan friesen
I'm going to post a picture of this online.
jordan holmes
It looks like somebody made it and they were like, this is going to come in handy 20 or 30 years from now.
dan friesen
20 or 30?
This looks like it's from the 20s.
jordan holmes
It does kind of look...
Wow, that is old.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's gorgeous.
Thank you so much.
Also, this was the package that came with all...
Dan, stop opening Jordan's candy.
jordan holmes
That was the best.
dan friesen
There was some candy and it was like, Dan, you can't eat this candy.
unidentified
There was a package that had a bunch of points.
dan friesen
You opened it, so why don't you describe it?
jordan holmes
That was the best part of this.
The first message, it was wrapped really, really heavily.
And the first message was like, Dan, this is Jordan's candy.
Don't eat it.
And you just gave it to me from there.
So I took it home and I started trying to unwrap it.
dan friesen
The record should show that I did follow.
jordan holmes
Yes, that's important because there were further instructions as you opened it up.
Down on the paper was written like, Dan, if you've made it this far, you need to stop.
And then still further was like, Dan, you've stolen Jordan's candy at this point.
It was just guilt.
It was fantastic.
dan friesen
I can't imagine how ashamed I would be if I saw those notes.
jordan holmes
If you saw the second note, that was the best part.
The best part was I was like, goddammit, if Dan had seen the second note, it would have been just...
He would have spent two days thinking about how he's the person who made it to the second note.
dan friesen
I feel like it's a...
A test I didn't know I had passed.
jordan holmes
Yes, you passed it.
dan friesen
So that's great.
Thank you so much, Karen.
That was a really fun insult, I guess?
jordan holmes
No, I think it was a test, and you passed it, and you're now King Arthur?
dan friesen
And the raptor princess will be well taken care of on our shelf of curiosities.
So, Jordan, May 6th and 7th, I should say that this is...
A little fun for me.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
There's actually...
I mean, granted, it is like I brought up, like, we're just anti-vax bullshit.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
Whatever.
alex jones
Sure.
dan friesen
But there's a specific in this episode that allowed me to dig in a little bit, and I enjoyed that.
jordan holmes
Excellent.
dan friesen
So here's an out-of-context drop from today's show.
alex jones
All right, shut up, Jones!
dan friesen
Might be able to use that quite a bit in the future.
jordan holmes
I would stick with that one.
dan friesen
So here we go.
Alex is starting out this May 6th show, and there's...
See if you can think of a children's story that comes to mind when you hear this.
alex jones
The information I got before the broadcast started dovetailed with all the major research scores of top scientists and other major studies.
But when I read the study from an extremely prestigious viral research institute at the University of Texas Galveston where they do level 4 bioweapons research I was completely blown away.
And quite frankly, have trouble even being on air at this point.
This audience is millions of people.
You're incredible.
You're amazing.
But I've learned how the paradox works.
If I said I have total proof that they knew that the COVID-19 vaccines, both mRNA and virus vector delivery systems, so both the Moderna, the Pfizer mRNA, and then the AstraZeneca and J&J shots, The two different classes.
In the main literature, warns that it causes massive autoimmune response in the brain, the heart, and in the cardiovascular system, and that they recommend it not be done because it caused massive death in the lab animals.
If I had that info, which I do, and I cover it here on air, it just gets lost in the background noise.
But if I built it up and said, oh, this Saturday I'm going to do a special show, For three hours, commercial, free, everybody tune in.
We would have millions and millions of people that tuned in specifically for that information.
They would take it very seriously.
Like they were at a restaurant waiting for a big, nice plate of food to come out.
jordan holmes
Are we writing fan fiction now?
alex jones
And then they would devour it and then share it with others, mentally.
And that's basically where we are.
Also, this audience is incredibly influential.
A lot of important people listen.
But this is, at this point...
I should probably just go off here or have Owen Schroer come in and do a great job hosting and just go show this document.
jordan holmes
That's definitely fiction.
dan friesen
Yeah, so I just keep hearing the boy who cried wolf here.
This is a guy who's like...
I have said that I have solved every problem too many times, and now it's just background dressing.
jordan holmes
Can't really pull this off.
dan friesen
People don't get excited anymore.
jordan holmes
Not really doing it.
dan friesen
And now the only way for me to escalate things is to do a show on my day off, because that makes it look like I'm serious.
jordan holmes
I guess.
dan friesen
And, oh, God.
Diminishing returns.
Oh, no.
jordan holmes
It's almost as if there was some sort of law that somebody wrote about diminishing returns.
dan friesen
Also, I don't remember if I pulled a clip of this, but later in the show.
So Alex is saying that he's going to have to come back on Saturday to cover this thing.
Yeah.
unidentified
This mega bombshell.
dan friesen
Because it's the only way he can get attention.
jordan holmes
Can't not.
dan friesen
He does realize, ah, shit, I'm supposed to take my daughter fishing on Saturday.
So he ends up a little guy.
He's like, maybe I'll do it on Sunday.
I don't know.
Anyway.
jordan holmes
This man is truly the tip of the spear.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
The study that Alex is referring to is from 2012, and honestly, he's messing up some details, but he's more right than he usually is here.
jordan holmes
Interesting.
dan friesen
Granted, this is a study about SARS, not SARS-CoV-2, but in terms of the level I'm used to him making things up, I was surprised to open this study and see this in the conclusion section.
Quote, These SARS-CoV vaccines all induced antibody and protection against infection with SARS coronavirus.
However, challenge of mice given any of the vaccines led to occurrences of Th2-type immunopathology suggesting hypersensitivity to SARS coronavirus compounds was induced.
Caution in proceeding to application of SARS coronavirus vaccine in humans is indicated.
That's pretty interesting, and on its own it sounds pretty scary, like the idea of making a coronavirus vaccine for humans is something that shouldn't be done.
But it's pretty important to recognize that this is a part of medical literature history, and that's not a static thing.
This probably doesn't need to be said, but changes have been made since 2012.
Additionally, the circumstances were different, with a worldwide outbreak happening now creating necessity, which of course is the mother of invention.
jordan holmes
Naturally.
dan friesen
You can find some discussion of this very study Alex is referencing in more detailed write-ups about the path that research has taken in terms of developing a coronavirus vaccine, going through SARS, MERS, and now SARS-CoV-2.
If Alex is just looking for flashy ways to smear science, he could find all sorts of studies from the past that have shown Totally.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's the title of it.
If you look for it, it's about completely different vaccines than the ones that have been developed in response to COVID.
If you just read the first few pages of the study, you see that the vaccines that were tested in this were two varieties.
They were inactivated whole virus vaccines or virus-like particle vaccines.
The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are mRNA-based vaccines, which work entirely differently than either of the types in this study, so there's no direct relevance.
between the shots and this study at all.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
The Johnson & Johnson vaccine is a viral vector vaccine, which is fairly similar to the virus-like particle approach, but with a very important distinction.
The virus-like particle vaccines in the study use the structural elements of SARS devoid of any viral genomes to trigger an immune response in people, whereas the J&J vaccine uses a non-infectious virus to create the spike protein of COVID, which then teaches our body to recognize that specific spike protein and fight it.
Right.
unidentified
The point here is that this study Alex is covering is not a bombshell.
dan friesen
It does not require coming in on Saturday, but it does have a couple of good buzzwords that jump off the page.
And if you don't pay too much attention, it can kind of look like it supports its narratives.
Yeah.
unidentified
Alex's narratives, but it's all bullshit.
dan friesen
Is going to be one of the things that he talks about almost exclusively.
jordan holmes
Unreal.
dan friesen
And it's amazing to see how much he just makes up.
He's just making shit up.
It's amazing.
jordan holmes
I mean, look.
Okay.
You can tell me the challenges and the things that were wrong in 2012, right?
But if you tell me that they're the same now, how many iPhones was that ago?
What was that?
Was that the iPhone 4 years?
We're better than that now!
dan friesen
People were still talking about the Mayan calendar.
jordan holmes
Exactly!
Yeah, we're fine, okay?
Don't tell me that in 2012 they had trouble making a vaccine, so we should stop.
dan friesen
Well, there's a lot of variables that go into it and actually color the progression of the vaccine's development.
And some of that we'll discuss a little bit later, but look, dude.
Alex found out about this, and he is fucking mad.
alex jones
This could save hundreds of millions, if not millions of people.
jordan holmes
I thought it was over for humanity.
nick fuentes
Again.
alex jones
I'm unable to continue the broadcast at this point.
This is not a drama.
I just can't do it.
I was already doing too much this morning on other big subjects, and then I got blindsided by this.
I'm in a controlled rage right now, and I've got to take some time off, so that's just the way it is.
I don't even know if I'm coming back anymore.
Maybe they need to kill everybody because the public doesn't care.
Maybe you deserve to die.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
It was at this point that I suspected Alex was in a bad mood about something.
Maybe something in his personal life was not exactly to his liking.
jordan holmes
Why are so many people willing to follow somebody that publicly pouts like a whiny baby?
What are you talking about?
Maybe you all should just die.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Great, yes.
We want you to lead the fucking resistance.
dan friesen
Jordan, this isn't a drama.
jordan holmes
No point.
dan friesen
Someone brought this study to his attention when he had already done so much work, and now everyone's gotta die.
jordan holmes
I just don't remember fucking...
Che Guevara in the middle of the revolution just being like, you know what, guys?
Fine.
I just don't even...
No, no, no.
I just don't even care anymore.
I don't even want to lead this revolution.
I'm sick of this.
dan friesen
I'm sick of this.
To quote Castro, wah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah.
Jesus.
dan friesen
Yep.
So Alex wants to protest about this study, man.
He wants to get out there and bullhorn like his roots.
He wants to get back to who he was in waking life.
That image of a guy driving around right in the face.
jordan holmes
Hero.
alex jones
There's no doubt about this is a mass kill operation.
jordan holmes
No doubt.
alex jones
Maybe we should all go protest at Dell Children's Hospital or maybe go protest the FBI in North Austin.
I mean, I don't know what you do.
I mean, to draw attention in Bullhorn.
Here is the University of Texas prestigious bioweapons research lab saying any vaccines for the coronavirus family cause massive autoimmune responses.
Strokes and heart attacks and blood clots.
Look at this.
They studied it on a whole bunch of animals and it killed mass numbers of them.
And we've already known this.
dan friesen
So there's some very basic lies Alex is telling about the study just in that little rant.
And if you pay attention to the specific things he's lying about, you can see his motives really clearly.
The first thing to be very clear about is that this study only had to do with reactions to a vaccine in mice.
At the end of the study, they even say, quote, Alex is skimming the study, so he's only looking at the first page in abstract, basically.
And if you only look at that and you don't actually read it, you might think that there are more animals involved.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
In the design section of the abstract, it says, quote, four candidate vaccines for humans with or without alum adjuvant were evaluated on a mouse model of SARS, and a VLP vaccine, the vaccine given to ferrets and non-human primates, another whole virus vaccine, and an RDNA-produced S protein.
Ferrets and non-human primates are referenced, but not as participants in the study.
The context of that is that VLP vaccines are typically the type that are given to those animals.
If you weren't paying attention to the study at all and you just wanted to use the appearance of it as a prop to scare people, it'd be really easy to see multiple animal names on the first page and just kind of run with it, which is what Alex is doing.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he's painting that, like, 12 monkeys picture where there's all these animals in cages in, like, a dark-lit room somewhere.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Second, Alex is making up that the study showed that mass numbers of animals were killed because of the vaccine.
There weren't massive numbers of mice involved to begin with, and if you read the study, you would know how the study was designed.
They vaccinated the mice with the different vaccines, and 56 days later, actually that's not entirely true, 56 days into the study, five mice from each group were killed to assess how well the vaccines had worked and to gauge lung issues that existed.
The remaining mice in each group were challenged with live SARS and then killed two days later so their lungs could be studied.
There's no indication that lung issues or vaccine concerns killed even a single mouse in this study.
Alex is making that up to make this story seem...
Third, Alex is making up the effects that this study found in vaccinated mice who were faced with a SARS challenge.
He's including autoimmune conditions in the list because that's been a big talking point on Infowars for a long time, so it's meant to give him the appearance of being right.
Strokes, heart attacks, and blood clots are included because these are the things that people have been discussing as possibly related to various vaccines for COVID-19.
jordan holmes
Naturally.
dan friesen
There's not evidence of a causal link, but a public conversation about concerns surrounding those issues has been going on, and Alex is trying to exacerbate those concerns and scare his audience.
jordan holmes
And in the study, as we know, the only real result was all of the mice...
dan friesen
The actual study doesn't involve any of the conditions that Alex was listing.
The effects studied were entirely surrounding damage to lung tissue.
One of the following must be true, and I cannot stress this enough.
Alex has either not read this study at all and is just making all this stuff up, or he has read the study and he knows that he's lying to his audience about what it says to scare them.
There isn't a middle ground, but I will say that in that first possibility, that first category is skimmed it and read a few words.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that is definitely more likely.
dan friesen
Yeah, but it's still just making up what you think those words are.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
It's bullshit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I imagine when he looks at a article, it probably looks like when you and I look at something to read, we like see all the words, right?
I imagine every time he looks at one of these, it's like a redacted document in his brain.
Like his brain just cuts out all the words that aren't like usable.
dan friesen
But instead of the black bars, it's like demon faces.
jordan holmes
It's just squiggly lines that burst off the page.
dan friesen
Or clowns walking, like doing John Cleese.
jordan holmes
It's the pink elephants and he's got the brown bag and he looks at it and he's like, oh shit, I gotta quit drinking.
dan friesen
Instead of words, it's John Cleese silly walks, but it's a weird clown.
That's my theory.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
So Alex is gonna leave.
jordan holmes
He's gotta go.
He's gotta go.
dan friesen
Maybe he doesn't.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
You know what?
I'm not gonna go off air.
I'm just gonna read the whole damn study on air.
How's that sound?
jordan holmes
That sounds good.
alex jones
And again, usually these studies mince words, and this spells it right out in the summary on the front page.
University of Texas.
Level 4 Bioweapons Lab in Galveston, Texas.
dan friesen
There is no way he's reading this study on air.
This whole overly dramatic breakdown of having to go off air and then deciding to stay on air and read the whole study.
It would come off a lot more genuine if he hadn't followed the whole part at the beginning there where Alex was complaining that no one pays attention to him unless he makes a big deal out of things.
jordan holmes
There is that.
dan friesen
It almost feels like this kind of fake struggling that he's going through.
It's like a piece of the necessary performance that he has to carry out to make anyone believe that this piece of supposed evidence actually means anything.
Yeah.
It's just an act.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you know, it reminds me of when James Brown used to...
Somebody would put the...
Blanket over his shoulders and he'd be like, ah, I'm too tired.
I can't go on anymore.
And he'd start walking off stage.
unidentified
But then the music would bring him right back, Dan!
dan friesen
I mean, it gets you into the performance, I guess.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but you know he's coming back.
dan friesen
Especially if you're on tour with him and you've seen it over and over.
I'm basically on tour with Alex.
jordan holmes
You're the Grateful Dead.
dan friesen
And I do not like the hits.
The hits are boring.
Also, small point here.
jordan holmes
It's like you've been following around Fish for ten years, but you hate them.
dan friesen
But also, I think that's the worst example, right?
Fish do a lot of improvising.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
Yeah, a lot of those long jams, they put out all of their shows and people listen to them.
jordan holmes
That is true.
dan friesen
That's the exact wrong example.
jordan holmes
That is true.
That's a good point.
dan friesen
Look, I don't like Fish or anything.
Look, there are no doors.
I think that that's a bad example.
Anyway, small point here, Jordan.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
The lab at the University of Texas Galveston is a level three biosafety lab, not a level four.
I would feel like a stickler for pointing that out when Alex said it was level four, but there's a big difference between those two.
And also, that information is literally on page two of the study.
So if he made it that far, he would know what level it was.
jordan holmes
I think he should read the whole study on air.
I think it would be a smart move in his situation.
dan friesen
Ain't gonna do it.
jordan holmes
I kind of doubt it.
dan friesen
Ain't gonna do it.
But he is gonna yell a lot.
jordan holmes
That sounds like it.
alex jones
Some of the rats died today.
Some died in six weeks, but they died.
And they bled out, folks.
jordan holmes
They what?
alex jones
Where their brain meets the sinus.
They bled out their lungs.
They bled out their eyes.
They bled out their thighs.
They bled out their stomachs.
They bled out.
Just like you shoot somebody with a 12-gauge shotgun with double-ot buck.
They bled out in about a minute.
This way you bleed out over the next few years.
My God.
dan friesen
Wow.
jordan holmes
I want to read.
I would give anything to read an accurate scientific study that was just like, there was blood everywhere!
Oh, the rodent manatee!
alex jones
Oh, it's a nightmare!
jordan holmes
Oh, everywhere we went, blood on the walls, it hit me in the nose!
dan friesen
God have mercy.
I mean, I don't want to minimize the, like, sort of...
Kind of grossness of, like, even just reading this, like, you know, all these mice are euthanized.
There's something about it that makes me kind of uncomfortable.
jordan holmes
No, there's a certain amount of it that's fucked up.
dan friesen
But it's completely different than what Alex is describing.
jordan holmes
It is not people injecting mice with a vaccine and then them suddenly exploding in a blood fuel.
dan friesen
Watching them bleed out.
jordan holmes
It's not a samurai movie from the 70s, man.
dan friesen
So Alex is lying about one line that I think someone must have highlighted for him in the study.
Quote, It's a complete fabric.
It's complete nonsense.
It's childish.
jordan holmes
Come on JSTOR, read the introduction.
dan friesen
Oh, man.
jordan holmes
The very end of it is, oh, God, what have we done?
Science has asked too long whether or not we could.
dan friesen
Make mice bleed out?
unidentified
Yes.
Yeah.
dan friesen
So anyway, Alex makes up some more shit.
unidentified
Yeah.
alex jones
But imagine a 2012 highly respected, peer-reviewed University of Texas long-term study.
On all sorts of different animals, finding massive blood clots, brain damage, heart attacks, organ failure, you name it, and cautioning against vaccines for the coronavirus family.
dan friesen
So that clip is 23 seconds long, and here's a list of...
I bet there are more.
jordan holmes
I caught eight.
dan friesen
Maybe.
I got six big ones.
jordan holmes
Six big ones.
Okay.
dan friesen
Errors, that is.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
One, it was not a long-term study.
robert barnes
Right.
dan friesen
Two, it wasn't on all sorts of animals.
It was just mice.
Right.
Three, it didn't find massive blood clots.
unidentified
Nope.
dan friesen
Four, it didn't find brain damage.
Five, it didn't find heart attacks.
Nope.
jordan holmes
True.
dan friesen
Six, it did advise caution with proceeding with the application of SARS coronavirus vaccine in humans.
That's all good and well, but it doesn't match what Alex is saying.
Like, don't open Pandora's box.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Totally.
dan friesen
I don't know if there's two others in there, but I felt like some might be splitting hairs.
jordan holmes
But those are major issues of the actual study.
Those were bonus ones that I just gave him just on account of being Alex.
I just assume, whatever you think it is, add to.
Just to be safe.
dan friesen
You're a gambler.
jordan holmes
I'm a gambler.
dan friesen
And I think that's a safe bet.
Alex's brief summary of the study gets so much completely wrong that even if you didn't suspect, as I do, that he's a willful liar, you should be really worried about his ability to convey accurate information from primary sources.
Even if you think he has a heart of gold and he means well and, you know, he's a good guy!
This is a staggering display of inability to do the job he's tried to give himself.
This is, like, sometimes...
I'll check in and I'll listen to these and I'll find the primary source and I'll be like, this is bad.
This is bad work.
This is funny.
It's so embarrassingly bad.
Bleeding out the notes.
unidentified
This is like a kid.
jordan holmes
He should begin this segment with that carnival music but in a minor key so you know we're entering into a real fucked up world.
This is topsy-turvy world.
Nothing's going to be real and it's all going to be terrifying.
Just coming into...
unidentified
Yeah, it'll be great.
dan friesen
Yeah, I agree, and man, I can't even begin to tell you, there's a punchline that it floored me when it comes.
But now, you must think of the mice.
alex jones
You actually read the report solely mackerel.
You ought to read here, overhead shot please, what happened to the mice.
Bleeding out their sinus, bleeding out their brains, bleeding out their hearts, young mice, middle-aged mice.
All mice.
All the mice.
dan friesen
Young mice.
Middle-aged mice.
jordan holmes
Old mice.
dan friesen
You have mice that are just getting ready to go off to college with their whole lives ahead of them.
jordan holmes
Mice that were two days away from retirement.
dan friesen
Totally planning a life after their career at the software development firm.
jordan holmes
Gonna move to Florida.
Do some traveling.
Yeah, absolutely.
It was finally time.
dan friesen
Maybe gonna get into the puzzles.
unidentified
You know, with your old, your spouse, my mouse.
jordan holmes
Your spouse mouse.
dan friesen
Spouse mouse.
jordan holmes
Oh, god damn it.
unidentified
Then you gotta think about the adolescent mice who just made the cut for the varsity football team.
jordan holmes
Yeah, of course.
Cut down in their prime.
dan friesen
Could have been Heisman contenders.
jordan holmes
Yeah, Bo Jackson mouse.
He was almost going to make it in three professional sports.
Yeah.
Tragic.
Tragic.
dan friesen
Just like a term middle-aged mouse.
He's really, really painting a picture.
jordan holmes
For a man who's killed that many dogs, how dare he try to make me care about mice?
What an asshole.
dan friesen
Again, just to be totally clear, I have reservations about the way animals are used.
jordan holmes
Animal testing is fucked up.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
No, no, no.
jordan holmes
I agree.
dan friesen
I don't want to unpack that right now while I'm busy laughing at middle-aged mice.
What a dick.
unidentified
Young mice, middle-aged mice, old mice, they come for us all, man.
dan friesen
So, Alex continues to make stuff up.
alex jones
Neutralizing antibody assays.
What happened to the animals?
Death.
University of Texas.
This is prestigious.
This is the university that a long-term study on a bunch of vaccines they already had on the shelf.
And they all do the same thing.
mRNA or virus vector.
dan friesen
Alex is just skimming the paper now, and he saw the headline, Neutralizing Antibody Assays.
And that's just the section about how post-euthanasia, the samples are taken from the animals and how they were processed in such a way as to preserve the evidence that antibodies that might be detected were from the vaccine that was given as opposed to another source.
Alex has no idea what the words he's saying even mean.
He just knows they kind of sound scary.
Also, this study has literally nothing to do with mRNA vaccines.
None of the four vaccines studied were that type, and Alex is just throwing that in to make the audience scared of current-day COVID-19 vaccination.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
Because he has an agenda.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Boy.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Also, again, it's a lab.
They're put...
They're put down.
It's not like...
Alex is making it sound like everybody is like, okay, we injected him with the stuff and then they've got a giant meat cleaver and they just chop the mouse's heads off and they're like, we'll move on now.
dan friesen
No, no, no.
Maybe there is a little bit of that, but I think the image he wants people to have is that they injected them and then just watched them slowly die.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Well, that's probably...
dan friesen
Like they were counting the time until...
unidentified
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
It's a very bizarre, twisted, nonsense goal.
unidentified
Gross.
dan friesen
Yeah.
alex jones
Why'd they never have a vaccine for the Corona family?
That's the most common, one of the most common families.
Because it's a frickin' protein that your body's made up out of.
jordan holmes
What else is your body made of, Alex?
alex jones
It's incredible.
And I've got some, I was so ready to cover all this other news.
Oh my gosh.
I just spent last night this morning reading 50-something pages of a Pentagon DARPA document.
I mean...
dan friesen
I hope you're excited to have Alex not talk about that supposed DARPA document.
jordan holmes
I'm looking forward to a 50-page DARPA document.
dan friesen
Also, the reason there wasn't a coronavirus vaccine prior to now is primarily because it's a challenging thing to do and money wasn't there for the research.
Most coronaviruses are not generally very severe, and the two previous times there were serious outbreaks with SARS and MERS, both were handled relatively well with containment measures and proper protocols, so they never got to the point where money was flowing in as an urgent solution was needed, like now.
COVID changed that factor in the equation.
And thankfully, we also had some preliminary work done in forms of studies that were done in the wake of SARS and MERS that helped inform current efforts that were going on.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
A coronavirus vaccine probably could have been made in the past.
It just would have been a question of marshalling efforts and resources into the right places.
And that wasn't something that was seen as a good investment until recently.
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
You know, I would like it if more people realized that science, when it succeeds, is the culmination of failures, and not, like...
A simple moment of single, brilliant inspiration that appears out of nowhere.
It's the culmination of years upon years upon years of work.
dan friesen
Yeah, overly simplistically, like a hundred things could go wrong and then that could lead to something that's really huge.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
Whereas, you know, you're not going to make the playoffs if you have 0 and 100 record.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
We're trained to have this win-loss kind of like success-failure.
Way we look at stuff.
And it's a different paradigm.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's a completely different paradigm.
Failure is the goal.
Because if you fail all the time, then when you succeed, you're like, holy shit, this is real!
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Alex has a bit of white identity-based fears floating around.
alex jones
We have Carol Baker, CDC spokeswoman, telling a giant amphitheater full of scientists and doctors and nurses that white people are inherently bad and must be gotten rid of because they don't submit to the government.
So that's where this is coming from.
And I guess we do have kind of an Irish, Scottish, English background of a thousand years of war between those groups and kings trying to get freedom.
And that's where the Magna Carta and then juries and basic rights come from.
Yes.
Yes.
What white people basically invented.
unidentified
Oh, boy.
jordan holmes
I don't even know where to begin with all of the things wrapped up in just that.
Like, just saying that means, like, you extrapolate what it means if this is real.
dan friesen
But I've heard Alex say things like that in the past.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Like the idea that sort of white people created freedom.
jordan holmes
No, totally.
dan friesen
But I've often thought that was kind of just a stray thought.
Maybe he was in too deep on a sentence.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
No, it's fundamental to his worldview.
It's fundamental to his worldview that no other culture...
Has ever created any system...
dan friesen
Of freedom.
jordan holmes
Of freedom.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Freedom is essentially a white creation.
jordan holmes
He cannot possibly believe that anything else happened.
dan friesen
It's outrageous.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he can't.
Like, he's...
Imagine him reading about a matriarchal society.
Matriarchal societies that have existed in our past so many times.
And how much...
Better they are!
dan friesen
I can't even...
Well, better is relative.
But, I mean, there are systems that work and are better for...
You know, it depends on where you're living and the circumstances.
jordan holmes
No, totally, totally.
dan friesen
I'm sorry, my anthropology hat slipped on.
jordan holmes
I understand.
I respect that.
dan friesen
So, like...
I'm very troubled by that.
That's really fucked up.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
But also that clip that he's talking about, about Dr. Carol Baker, it's a clip that's been posted all over right-wing media.
It's about a minute and a half long, and it's a clip where Dr. Baker is saying that the solution to getting rid of vaccine denial is getting rid of white people.
This is not at all being suggested as a serious solution.
It's clearly meant as a shock statement that furthers a different argument, which is conveniently edited out of the clip that gets posted all over the media.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
Most of the places you find this clip where they post it, it's super vague about where the video comes.
I suspect this is an intentional strategy to make it harder for the audience to confirm the claims that are being made about it.
I tracked down the full video, and it's from a panel discussion being held by the National Meningitis Association titled, quote, Achieving Childhood Vaccine Success in the United States.
It's not a giant amphitheater, but that visual does a lot more work for Alex, and he knows the audience is just going to accept it over dumb shit, he says.
The larger context of the comment was in terms of a conversation about strategies to increase vaccination rates.
Another panelist had suggested media training for doctors, and there was some disagreement about whether or not the media training would be impactful.
Baker was expressing the position that the discussion to get children vaccinated is an individual event that happens over and over all over the country every day, and media training might not necessarily be the most helpful thing.
The conversation had also touched on multicultural issues like communities that claim exemptions from school vaccine mandates.
The comment Baker made appears to exist in the intersection of these two ideas, but it's kind of a freewheeling panel discussion, so they kind of go off on some tangents.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
It makes it a little bit difficult to know exactly where she was going.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
But having watched the discussion, I'm absolutely certain that it has nothing to do with appealing to white genocide.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
I don't know.
That sounds like the CDC's...
I feel like maybe the CDC is overreacting a little bit to the Trump years, but calling for white genocide does seem...
dan friesen
She wasn't with the CDC at the time, I believe.
I think she was...
jordan holmes
Of course not.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Because who fucking cares?
dan friesen
Previously.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Let's just lie about everything.
dan friesen
Yeah.
But Alex, boy, what a mess.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's not good.
dan friesen
White people invented freedom.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
He's in a mood.
jordan holmes
Man.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I mean, the English, Irish, and Scotch thing, they invented freedom?
Like, there was no...
dan friesen
Well, it's because they were fighting about kings or something.
jordan holmes
I mean, couldn't he say...
I mean, if you wanted to be a super...
Couldn't...
Don't white nationalists claim Rome, too?
Or was that too swarthy at the time?
dan friesen
They love Vikings.
They're like the Norse runes.
jordan holmes
Yes, yes.
The people who we most associate with freedom.
Yeah, great.
dan friesen
I don't know, man.
I just think he's in a mood, and I think I might be able to tell you why.
unidentified
Why?
dan friesen
Mic down for this.
alex jones
I have been called away.
To a little court hearing today.
The wonders of family court.
So that's why I taped something this morning.
Because I've got to go at 1 o 'clock today.
But I'll be back after that this afternoon.
There is so much to cover and so much to get to.
dan friesen
I wonder if that has to do anything with his mood.
jordan holmes
Might be a bad mood.
Might be why he's fine with everybody dying.
Could be fine.
It could be something to do with it.
dan friesen
When he said that, I was like, oh, the mystery becomes clear.
This is like the scene in a Poirot thing where he sits everyone down.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
No, this is the dinner party.
I will slowly reveal the perpetrator of the court.
dan friesen
I have to go to family court.
jordan holmes
Caught him.
unidentified
It was him.
jordan holmes
He was guilty.
dan friesen
Oh, this is why this is a bombshell.
No one pays attention to you and everyone's got to die.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
alex jones
Great.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
So anyway, that does not stop Alex.
Even though he has to leave early, it doesn't stop him from continuing to be wrong about everything about this study.
jordan holmes
That sounds right.
alex jones
Overhead shot, please.
Well, this just got brought to my attention.
I went and checked it on the University of Texas website.
This is the University of Texas Biological Research Center, level four, one of the most prestigious in the world.
Immunization with SARS coronavirus vaccines leads to pulmonary.
Autoimmune response.
Immunopathology is what that means.
And it says this had autoimmune responses in the mice.
We test on mice.
It's very similar to us with the way they react.
And then they have to show the photos and all of it.
And they have the control group, the non-control group, the control group.
Those that were challenged got really sick.
Those that weren't imminent didn't get sick.
They did a bunch of studies.
And it's got all the photos of the holes eaten in their lungs, their brains.
What?
jordan holmes
Wait, what?
alex jones
And they say you should not try these vaccines.
They did three different vaccines, three different types.
jordan holmes
Show me those fucking photos.
alex jones
And they all failed.
They all killed the animals.
So that's the University of Texas.
dan friesen
So the lab isn't level four.
Immunopathology does not mean autoimmune.
unidentified
Nope.
dan friesen
The article has nothing to do with autoimmune conditions.
jordan holmes
Correct.
dan friesen
Alex is making up how he imagines this test was run.
The only mice in the study were not challenged with live SARS were the five from each group that were killed two days early so they could have their lungs examined.
The entire story of the vaccinated group getting sick after the challenge and non-vaccinated group being fine, that just comes from Alex's imagination.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
There were no photos in the study of hearts or brains because it's only about the lungs.
That's the word Alex keeps tripping over in the study.
It's titled pulmonary.
Alex is making up that the other photos are in there or maybe he hallucinated them.
I'm not sure.
Also, they tested four vaccines in the study.
Alex just thinks there were three because he was skimming and he saw the line, quote, three different experiments performed for comparing different vaccines are reported here.
On page two, that's where that quote comes from, at the beginning of the study design section.
In reality, there were four vaccines.
Two of them were the same type of vaccine, whole virus vaccines, but they were prepared differently and used different adjuvants, so they were experimentally distinct.
unidentified
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
Also, none of the vaccines killed any animals.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
This is all nonsense.
Alex cannot fucking handle doing a...
jordan holmes
Again, I mean, I just want to read that study where they're like...
Fuck it, man!
There are brains with holes in them, dude!
Put it in the study!
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Great.
Awesome.
dan friesen
Anyway, he continues lying.
jordan holmes
Of course.
alex jones
Well, I'll give Bill Gates and the UN and the globalists this.
They've got huevos the size of the Grand Canyon, or the size of the Grand Tetons.
unidentified
No, they're just psychos.
alex jones
The size of the planet.
UT, official bioweapons lab, level four, found that all coronavirus vaccines...
Caused bleeding in the lungs, the brain, the heart, and blood clots on a massive scale.
In some cases, the majority of lab rats died.
And that's the headline.
Immunization with SARS coronavirus vaccines leads to pulmonary immunopathology with all the challenged subjects, all the lab animals.
That is from 2012.
And there's a bunch of other reports coming out.
They knew this.
They did it.
That way they can plausibly deny.
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dan friesen
Holy shit.
jordan holmes
Oh boy.
dan friesen
That was a 90 degree turn.
jordan holmes
God damn.
dan friesen
Jarring.
jordan holmes
That hurt.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That hurt.
I feel like I was in a 30 mile an hour car crash right there.
dan friesen
That sounds like a guy who's got to go to family court.
Plugging like a guy.
He's got to go to court with his ex-wife.
jordan holmes
Yep, yep.
That'll do it.
alex jones
Yep.
dan friesen
So Alex has Nick Fuentes on for a little bit.
And I didn't point this out on our last episode, but when the two of them were talking, Alex said that Nick Fuentes was going to get a channel on band.video on Alex's site.
And I just took that to be straight talk because he said that to almost everybody.
jordan holmes
He said it to old man house phone.
dan friesen
He said that to almost everybody who's nuts and a problem.
alex jones
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
But they have followed through and now Nick has an America First channel on Alex's website.
jordan holmes
Or, actually, that's better.
Keep it there.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Keep it all there.
Get rid of everything else.
dan friesen
So he's also got another iron in the fire that he's going to explain here.
nick fuentes
So, I was on your show last week to talk about my placement on the no-fly list, which we suspect was for political reasons, and you brought on the great lawyer Norm Pattis, and we got a chance to talk a little bit.
jordan holmes
Really?
nick fuentes
And I actually gave him a call after his show, and I've now retained him to represent me in a case against the TSA, and we should be filing, I believe, next week.
So, we're going to take it to the courts against the TSA and the federal government.
dan friesen
I guess stand-up didn't work out.
jordan holmes
Wow!
dan friesen
Man.
jordan holmes
Norm is running a good game.
dan friesen
I don't know about that.
jordan holmes
There's something about some idiot just suddenly calling you because of Alex Jones and being like, fuck it, yeah, I'll run your dumb lawsuit that's not gonna go anywhere, you idiot.
Pay me.
dan friesen
I guess there does appear to be a space for, like, I mean, this is a scam.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
It's not a real lawsuit.
It's best a fundraising opportunity for Nick Fuentes.
jordan holmes
Agreed.
dan friesen
And if Norm's going to skim some of that off in, like, billable hours or whatever.
jordan holmes
Yeah, why not?
dan friesen
I guess that is a career path you could go down as a lawyer.
Like, Larry Klayman did that for years.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Filing frivolous nonsense lawsuits.
jordan holmes
You're just a scammer.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's fine.
dan friesen
And if he wants to do that, great.
And I don't know anything about...
I don't know a lot about his career.
I know it seems that he's taking a turn for the racist lately.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I guess...
You know, getting in bed with...
I guess just being associated with Alex Jones too deeply.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
This is just what happens.
jordan holmes
It is.
dan friesen
It gets you.
Barnes ends up doing interviews with Stefan Molyneux.
Norm's doing racist stand-up and hanging out with Nick Fuentes.
Yeah, you just can't do it.
You can't go on to do something else.
jordan holmes
You can't exist in the modern GOP without being a white nationalist anyway.
dan friesen
Seems tough.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex goes off to family court, and I stopped listening.
I don't care.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, he's off to family court.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So he comes back in May 7th.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Does he come back in that day?
dan friesen
I mean, not when his show's on.
He might have shown up, like, for the war room or something.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
dan friesen
I would assume he came back and had a little bit of a business meeting with a model.
jordan holmes
Sure.
Sure.
dan friesen
I would assume.
jordan holmes
There's very little doubt of that.
dan friesen
Yeah.
There was a lot of work to get done around the office.
Like, that chair needed to be thrown over there.
jordan holmes
I'm redecorating.
You know what the problem with that wall was?
It was there, and there were zero holes in it, and so I fixed that.
dan friesen
It is an unforgivable problem.
So Alex comes back on the 7th, and he gets on air, and I was floored by how boring the first half hour of his show was.
He says...
Nothing.
It's treading water.
It's just like, here I am.
jordan holmes
He does a half hour of, I'm about to get to something.
dan friesen
Kind of, but it didn't actually feel like he was about to get to something.
It felt like other people might be getting to something.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
He is not.
But here's a little clip.
alex jones
The government's outlaw.
The government's criminal.
The government's oppressing you.
The government's not legitimate.
It's Chai Con Globalist Run.
So following its directives is now a crime against your family and humanity.
Any of this unconstitutional crap, any of the contact tracers, any intimidation to have inoculations, anybody telling you you got to wear a mask, anybody giving you this crap is part of the enemy army, literally that engineered this whole damn thing out of Wuhan.
dan friesen
I listen to stuff like that, and I just can't understand how anybody could listen to Alex, take him seriously, and not recognize that...
Terrorism against the state is basically the only logical outcome of the things that he's saying.
If you believe the things that he's saying, there is no solution.
You're fighting the fucking devil.
The devil doesn't care about courts.
The devil doesn't care about elections.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
There's no...
Making peace with the devil.
He's the devil.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
You have to eradicate him.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
And then the people who follow him.
I mean, surprise, all that's left is white people who you're friends with.
dan friesen
I guess I'm not being totally fair, because the other conclusion, I guess, could be complete isolation.
Like, you could have communes in the woods or something like that.
Or trying to topple the state.
Those are the only two legitimate outcomes.
Because, like, political organization is meaningless.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And, like, okay, now the government is...
It's outlaw.
It's whatever.
So any kind of rules that come from the government are not to be followed.
It's a crime against humanity to wear a mask.
jordan holmes
Why would you run for office?
unidentified
You couldn't do shit.
jordan holmes
What would you...
Yeah.
dan friesen
You'd get absorbed by the devil.
unidentified
Totally.
dan friesen
It's...
I just...
I was thinking about that because I was so bored by the beginning of this episode.
And it just...
It strikes me that anybody...
Like, who takes this seriously?
They just can't.
Or else they would be doing something horrible.
jordan holmes
I'll pitch them on this, okay?
They've already tried to topple the government and it didn't go well.
dan friesen
True.
jordan holmes
So try isolation.
Everybody in the right wing just needs to go away.
dan friesen
Well, I would recommend isolation with another individual for about an hour a week.
Chatting about...
jordan holmes
What do you think?
dan friesen
Life.
jordan holmes
Ah, just talking about your problems.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Bounce it off another person.
See how it feels to say some things out loud.
jordan holmes
Let it out!
dan friesen
Yeah.
I recommend that for everybody, actually.
jordan holmes
Not a terrible idea.
dan friesen
Not just people on the right wing.
jordan holmes
Not a terrible idea.
dan friesen
So, Alex, you know, the day before, he was mostly just lying about this study.
And I'm not gonna lie, he does more of that.
Sure.
That today, he seems to be in a different mood.
I would describe his mood as being very similar to a guy who went to family court the day before.
alex jones
Steel prices have tripled.
Corn has exploded.
Every commodity is exploding.
And that's why I said, get into a basket of commodities.
That's my advice to myself, if I was an investor.
And get invested in a place in the country, doesn't need to be fancy, but away from people.
And know your neighbors.
And have friends and family that are aware.
And having your own gang, your own people to watch each other's back is the most valuable thing in this universe other than a relationship with Jesus Christ, the Son of God.
And so you better get ready now.
I mean, look, I told you this a year ago.
Buy ammo.
Buy guns.
They're going to steal the election from Trump.
Then they're going to really clamp down.
They're going to start a race war as the cover for the economic collapse.
This is all a battle plan.
We know what they're going to do.
We should have been able to stop it.
Enough folks didn't listen.
Now people are listening.
And I don't say that to act tough.
I don't say that to be impressive.
It's just everybody needs to know what you've done keeping us on the air.
We have all the big so-called government intelligence agencies listening.
They're now just like vestigial.
Webs on a Labrador Retriever's feet.
unidentified
What?
alex jones
Or it's like people that grow a sixth toe or something.
They don't have any power.
They're just puppets.
It's the corporations, the private groups, the big tech.
It's got their own hit teams, their own labs making deadly synthetic drugs.
I mean, just their own pedophile operations.
This giant industrial level evil just chewing up humanity like a combine cuts wheat.
Or bales grass into bales of hay.
And as soon as we realize how much trouble we're in, we'll be able to turn this around.
But I told everybody this, so I'll do a plug right now, because I sell and stay on air with what I do myself.
And I've got the best storable food company.
We sell it directly from InfoWareStore.com.
Their full catalog.
You get 10% off.
The lowest price is already out there.
But I can only run that until next week.
Next Wednesday.
dan friesen
Sure.
Easter sale.
We got Doom going on.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
You gotta head to the country.
jordan holmes
Gotta run away.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
And just incidentally.
jordan holmes
By the way, I'll plug this now.
unidentified
Look.
jordan holmes
Hey.
While we're here.
unidentified
Look.
dan friesen
It's a favor that I'm playing this.
Really?
unidentified
Really.
Honestly.
When you think about it.
jordan holmes
Honestly.
dan friesen
When you think about it.
jordan holmes
I am gifting you this plug.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's a blessing.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And so.
In order for you to repay that, you need to buy lots of food.
alex jones
Wow.
So I would get 20-20 food prices now at preparewithalex.com or just find the subsection, Restorable Food, at informrestore.com.
And I would buy a lot of food.
I'm buying more storable food.
I'm buying more ammunition.
jordan holmes
You said you have none.
alex jones
I am selling my house in Austin.
jordan holmes
Good.
alex jones
Just had the realtor photographer over to get that done.
And I am telling you right now, ladies and gentlemen, that...
That there's a 90% chance we're going to go road warrior in this country for probably 5-10 years.
unidentified
Sure.
alex jones
I mean, when this is all over, I wouldn't be surprised if 50 million, 100 million people aren't dead.
And you know, I've never talked like that in my 27 years on air.
I genuinely think that 90% chance it's all over.
Okay?
unidentified
Yeah, I've never talked like that on air.
dan friesen
Except for every time I was at court the day before.
jordan holmes
I have never said anything like that.
Roughly 7 billion people will be exterminated so that only 500 million are left.
I've never said anything like that.
dan friesen
You know me.
unidentified
I never talk like that except for almost all the time.
jordan holmes
I'm not really a doomsayer.
That's not my thing.
unidentified
I'm not the kind of guy who likes to scare you.
jordan holmes
I like to play it close to the best.
unidentified
Also, boo.
jordan holmes
Now, you should be terrified of all the people coming to kill you.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
And sure.
They look nice, and they say nice things, and they're exactly like you, and they're just normal people, but they're actually working for the devil, and you should murder them.
dan friesen
And road warrior.
alex jones
And road warrior.
dan friesen
For five to ten years.
jordan holmes
Road warrior in five to ten years?
dan friesen
No, for five to ten years.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
Oh, that's right.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but you know, 50 to 100 million?
That seems pretty good for a Road Warrior situation.
dan friesen
I mean, that's a pretty severe situation.
jordan holmes
Sure, but I feel like everybody was dead in Road Warrior.
You're going through the wastes.
dan friesen
No, I'm kind of agreeing with you.
That's kind of a bright side kind of thought.
jordan holmes
That's not bad.
If that was the worst Road Warrior was going to get, I feel like it could be worse.
dan friesen
Fair enough.
So...
You know, it's the glass half empty, glass half full.
That's what it is.
jordan holmes
I'm an optimist.
Everybody knows that.
dan friesen
So Alex sent this study that he found that he was lying about all day yesterday to a guy who works at UT.
Who knows who this guy is?
jordan holmes
Okay, just a guy.
dan friesen
And I just thought this was really silly.
alex jones
I sent this to an individual I know that is high up in the board.
Let's just say, well, I gave way too much, didn't I?
Let's say heads up a department at the University of Texas.
Last night, and I know this person for a long time, and when I send him text messages, they usually don't respond for like a week.
But he responded back in about 20 minutes.
And I said, hey, UT put out this big study under a federal government grant nine years ago that...
And I said, tell me what you think of it.
I didn't even say...
They said it was bad.
Don't take COVID-based vaccines.
This is 2012.
I just said, hey, UT put out this interesting report on COVID-type viruses nine years ago.
What do you think?
Hell, I'll show you the text.
I won't show you the name.
jordan holmes
Stop texting me.
alex jones
And he texted me back like 10 minutes later.
And he said, well, it's very technical, but obviously...
I'm not taking the vaccine, and this is a warning.
dan friesen
This is a warning.
This study was a warning.
unidentified
How?
jordan holmes
What?
unidentified
What?
dan friesen
Well, the globalists have to do all their dirty work out in public.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, I understand that.
But I really, really don't give a shit about what anybody on any board thinks.
I have a hard time with boards.
dan friesen
Well, also, the guy saying that he's not going to get the vaccine, I'm not entirely sure what all of his medical issues are, but Alex says...
That he's like, it's obviously someone on the board at UT is probably not a younger person.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And also they had COVID already.
jordan holmes
Oh, well.
dan friesen
So their doctor had told them, this is what he reads from the text message.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
Their doctor had told them that they already had a lot of antibodies.
Sure.
Naturally occurring from having had COVID.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And so the doctor had advised them not to get a shot, which is...
I don't know.
I'm not a doctor, so I don't know.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
But that's slightly different than, don't get the shot, it'll kill you.
jordan holmes
It's going to kill you.
There are going to be pictures of holes in your brain.
dan friesen
It seems like there's slightly different pieces of advice.
jordan holmes
Could be a different angle.
dan friesen
Also, the idea that this is a warning is just so dumb.
jordan holmes
I love it.
dan friesen
So dumb.
jordan holmes
It's a warning.
dan friesen
I'd like to warn Alex.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You should know what you're talking about, or else you sound really stupid like this.
jordan holmes
Oh, that was a good warning.
alex jones
And that's titled Immunization SARS Coronavirus Vaccine Leads to Pulmonary Emu Pathology of Challenge with the SARS virus.
jordan holmes
Emu Pathology.
alex jones
And the challenge is the group of rats that were given the vaccine versus those who aren't.
Now they're rats?
Autoimmune responses and their hearts and lungs roll up and they got bloody holes in them and they died of blood clots, which I'm sure you're hearing about in the news.
dan friesen
I feel like I'm flogging a dead horse or...
Possibly a dead mouse here, but I am constantly hitting this drum of Alex not knowing anything about this study that he's reporting on, but he just keeps being wrong in new ways.
He's wrong about the details of this study, but I think it's more disturbing that he doesn't understand basic terminology that's used, which makes me think that he doesn't even have a handle on the most elementary conversation that's going on in terms of this study, as well as any others that he might be trying to discuss.
unidentified
Yeah, that sounds right.
dan friesen
Alex says that the term challenge refers to the group of mice that were vaccinated as opposed to the ones that were The term challenge refers to taking all of the mice in the experimental and control groups and challenging their immunity by exposing them to live SARS.
That's what this experiment did.
And it's critical to understand that concept to understand this study at all, to any degree.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
jordan holmes
And this is true with just about everybody who's like, I know science.
Just describe how you do a study.
And this is supposed to be after he's read how they did the study.
dan friesen
He poured over it, man.
jordan holmes
So just tell me how a study works.
dan friesen
This is day two of his coverage.
jordan holmes
Just give me a simple, like, here's the beginning of the study and explain to me what you think science does.
dan friesen
Well, it turns out, I mean, I didn't see this, but it turns out that this study is actually evidence that giving the vaccine around, it's going to kill kids.
alex jones
Sure.
These people are sick!
And now they're going to target the little children and mess them up for life.
Oh, man.
Wow.
And like, oh, suddenly all these kids have heart problems and have brain problems.
Well, doesn't some conspiracy theorists say it's connected to the vaccine?
No, the University of Texas says don't do it.
It'll happen.
But you don't care that young rats and old rats got sick and died?
jordan holmes
Middle-aged.
alex jones
Because you're...
Liberal.
You're saving the earth for yourselves.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
I don't not care because I'm liberal.
I don't care because I read the source.
jordan holmes
Wow, that would help.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Don't you remember the part where the source was like, Oh my god, they're all- All these mice bleeding out.
We got holes in their brains and then rats broke in and they ate the mice and now they're exploding!
They're gonna give it to children next!
dan friesen
How old are the rats?
jordan holmes
There are no middle-aged rats.
There are young rats and old rats in this circumstance.
dan friesen
That's a relief!
jordan holmes
It is a relief!
We're all middle-aged here.
It makes us more comfortable.
dan friesen
Yep.
So, at the end of last week, the world was reeling from the news that Bill and Melinda Gates were getting a divorce.
And I didn't care.
jordan holmes
Shoot them both into the sun.
dan friesen
I didn't care for Alex's...
Thoughts on it.
Or at least I thought I didn't.
And then it turns out there's a massive conspiracy here.
jordan holmes
Why would I have guessed otherwise?
dan friesen
Right.
Robert Barnes has shown up and Alex is now explaining to Barnes how this is all...
jordan holmes
See, I feel like Alex should know how family court works pretty well.
unidentified
Well...
alex jones
I mean, why was Gates and them crazy enough to do this?
I think it's because he got busted with Epstein, and they panicked as a diversion, and they had this plan, Operation Lockstep, on the shelf.
In fact, I know that's what happened.
His wife's now confirmed.
She's pissed, and he was having sex with kids, probably.
dan friesen
Okay.
A lot of words in there.
jordan holmes
Ooh, that was a lot.
dan friesen
She's basically confirmed, probably.
So yeah, his theory...
jordan holmes
How many adverbs are too many adverbs?
unidentified
That many.
jordan holmes
That many adverbs.
dan friesen
His theory is essentially that Bill Gates got caught up with Epstein, and it was all going to come out, and he's going to take the fall for it now.
And so his wife got a divorce to protect the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And she's confirmed it probably, basically.
jordan holmes
Basically.
Probably pretty much.
dan friesen
There was a story I saw in the Wall Street Journal that was about how Melinda Gates was mad about Bill Gates having an association with Epstein.
What?
That was good acting.
You appeared actually surprised.
unidentified
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Some people have made comments about that, but I think that the bridge that Alex is crossing is a little bit shaky.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean, well, here's the bigger issues there.
Yeah, she knows he was hanging out with Epstein and he went to the island.
It would be insane if she was not at least a little bit concerned about that.
You know, so that's not really a story to me.
We all know that he spent time on Epstein's Island.
We all think Bill Gates is an evil bastard.
Like, it's fine.
You know, I don't care why they're being divorced.
I just want them shot on a rocket into the sun, Dan.
dan friesen
Sure, but you have to understand that the divorce is a critical part of COVID existing.
jordan holmes
Oh, no, I was definitely not understanding that.
dan friesen
Because the divorce is protecting the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation now that Bill Gates is about to go down.
But...
COVID was released because, you know, the Epstein connections were coming out in like 2019.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And they fucking panicked.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
They hit the button that said COVID.
The COVID button.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And then there was a worldwide plague in order for Bill Gates's...
jordan holmes
Why is this the first I'm hearing of this particular aspect of the conspiracy, considering, as Alex has told us so many times...
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He knows exactly how this is all going to play out.
dan friesen
Well, I would suggest it's probably because this is improvisational storytelling and not actual news or research.
jordan holmes
Also possible.
dan friesen
It seems like a fun wrinkle for Bill Gates' character.
unidentified
Yeah, why not?
dan friesen
A good way to contextualize the divorce.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
And that's kind of just the way Alex was feeling.
jordan holmes
Yeah, this is character development.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So anyway, Barnes is in.
And also, Alex calls him Barnes, and I feel like, don't fucking call your lawyer by their last name.
That's just not cool.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
I want to give my lawyer a nick.
I want to call my lawyer Dickie.
Hey, come on, Dickie, let's go.
We got lawsuits.
Come on, Dickie.
dan friesen
You are fucked if you're that familiar with your lawyer.
I want to call my lawyer Mr. This is something.
unidentified
I want a deep professional distance between us.
dan friesen
I don't want to be like, what are you thinking, Barnes?
jordan holmes
I do not want to text my lawyer with a question about something.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
I don't want to text my lawyer when I'm drunk.
jordan holmes
Hey, Dickie, come out tonight.
Come on, buddy.
We're going drinking.
dan friesen
So, Barnes has got some news.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
Robert Barnes is about to give you exclusive breaking information.
Here is the exclusive breaking information as humanity fights back.
Robert Barnes.
robert barnes
Yes, we're going to be filing suit over the next two weeks across the country against three groups, governments, employers, and educational institutions that are attempting to force or coerce people to have the vaccine.
dan friesen
So, Barnes is gonna go spread a bunch of attention-grabbing lawsuits around, which seems to be his specialty.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I just, I find it impossible to believe that you could listen to this entire show, hear Alex say that the government is an outlaw, and then listen to Barnes say he's gonna file some lawsuits and be like, you get him.
dan friesen
Yeah, this is gonna solve things.
jordan holmes
This is an exclusive that I wanted to hear about.
dan friesen
And I can't wait to throw some money at Barnes.
jordan holmes
Please?
dan friesen
We have to support these lawsuits.
jordan holmes
We have to.
dan friesen
What if we're able to get an injunction against the devil?
jordan holmes
Then we'll put his plan off for at least four more years.
dan friesen
Such comical nonsense.
What he's asking the audience to accept and believe.
It's wild.
Anyway, I don't think much of Barnes.
jordan holmes
You have to go to the forest.
You have to go away.
Get ammo.
Get...
Food!
Hide!
Prepare for the road, warrior!
Now, we've got an exclusive.
dan friesen
Sell some of that ammo and give that money to Barnes.
jordan holmes
We've got a couple lawsuits going around.
Jesus, man.
dan friesen
I don't think much of Barnes, and I wasn't really all that worried about this lawsuit going anywhere.
And then I heard this, and I'm like, this is not going anywhere.
robert barnes
So, working with Bobby Kennedy and others on all of the legal issues related to these cases and the constitutional issues.
We will have the suits filed within the next two weeks.
dan friesen
He's working with Robert Kennedy, the anti-vax kingpin.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
This is not going to work out.
jordan holmes
If you're Robert Kennedy Jr., you don't get to call yourself Bobby.
dan friesen
No, I feel like Barnes was doing that to sort of cover up the stink of the name Robert Kennedy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
Yeah, absolutely.
He was not like, it's Robert Kennedy Jr.
He was like, Bobby Kennedy.
Everybody's ears perk up.
They're like, did Sirhan Sirhan actually hide or what?
robert barnes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Another person I don't want to be on familiar terms with.
I'm going to just skip ahead real quick because I want Barnes to explain his lawsuit.
robert barnes
We're suing under the ADA, the Discrimination Act that prohibits discrimination against anyone who is perceived as disabled.
We're going to be doing the same thing actually in the context of the vaccines.
Because my view is that requiring someone to have a vaccine is a perception that they're disabled, and then treating them differently based on that perception is discriminating against them based on your perception of their disability, and that too is prohibited by the ADA.
And state analogous laws that are also similar.
dan friesen
So, the fact that Barnes is working with Robert Kennedy and the idea that this is the keystone of his argument combined to tell me this is not a case he expects to win.
jordan holmes
I would very much like to be in court the day he says those exact words to a judge.
dan friesen
Just on its face, I suspect this would get thrown out, but there's a huge element of disability law that Barnes seems to be pretending doesn't exist.
According to the government's page on disability discrimination, they do make a very important caveat.
The law requires an employer to provide reasonable accommodation to an employee or job applicant with a disability unless doing so would cause significant difficulty or expense for the employer and undue hardship.
Even if somehow Barnes were able to convince a court that not wanting to get a vaccine was legally analogous to having a disability, he would still have a really hard time overcoming the argument that having people potentially spreading COVID around a workplace or school doesn't represent an undue hardship on an employer or educational institution.
You run the risk of your workforce or teaching staff falling ill, and that's not even considering the potential of having to shut down a factory or a possible bad press that could come from being the site of a new outbreak.
Much like Nick Fuentes trying to sue the TSA, this is not a serious case.
This is a grift and a PR stunt disguised as a legitimate lawsuit.
It's all just grandstanding and attention-seeking behavior, and it's wasting everyone's fucking time.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
But I do also...
Want to be in the courtroom.
jordan holmes
Right.
Yeah, no, totally.
dan friesen
I do think it would be pretty funny.
jordan holmes
I get...
dan friesen
It's never going to make it to a courtroom.
jordan holmes
No, absolutely not.
Like, I do get that lawyering is a profession and lawyers like to protect each other and, you know, judges don't often hold lawyers in contempt of court for, say...
I don't know, going on Infowars and saying that the stated reason that you're doing this lawsuit is based on magical nonsense thinking that you don't understand whatsoever.
What are you fucking talking about?
dan friesen
Yeah, you know what I think the issue with Barnes is?
I think that he's less a lawyer and more a guy who has a page on Dave Rubin's Patreon clone called Locals.
jordan holmes
That sounds like it.
dan friesen
And I think he's promoting his Locals page with the looming idea of these lawsuits.
Great.
And I think that he's just trying to sucker people into supporting him on fake Patreon.
Wow.
jordan holmes
How did that lawyer collective of constitutional lawyers work out?
Remember that one from a few years ago when he was going to start that group of people?
dan friesen
Oh, they changed the world.
jordan holmes
Oh.
Well, that's good.
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't know if that happened.
jordan holmes
Boy, it seems like...
dan friesen
It was a bad idea, so I'm actually kind of glad that it doesn't seem like it happened.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but it seems like they tried to get a lot of money for it.
I wonder what happened to all that money.
dan friesen
Oh, well.
Would you like to know how the Chinese people made COVID?
jordan holmes
I would!
That sounds more exciting.
dan friesen
They gotta change the subject over to...
This clip is nonsense.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
So that's how this...
There's a lot of ways to do it.
I've read about it.
But one way the Chinese were doing it at Wuhan...
Because, again, you use a bunch of gene guns, firing a bunch of viruses together, until you finally go through an electron microscope and find one that got the viruses together like you wanted, all meshed together.
Then you replicate that in a pig.
The pig dies of the virus, so you know it's deadly.
You grind it up raw, feed it to piglets.
Those that die again, you do it.
Then you extract the blood.
Then you take out...
The viruses you want, now you've got a growth of viruses, and you keep growing them, and then you release it into the human population where it starts replicating, and then you have the answer to the disease you created.
The idea that this just accidentally, at the time it came out, when Trump was defeating China, and the world was waking up, and nationalism and free market was exploding, and we were going back to who we were, like 1955 on steroids, but for everybody, they had to counter it, and this is the globalist counter-offensive, and they admit they had plans like this on the shelf.
Before, so my god, it's so obvious.
robert barnes
What?
dan friesen
It's so obvious.
unidentified
What?
dan friesen
It's so obvious.
jordan holmes
What did he just say?
dan friesen
Look, Occam's razor tells me that's exactly what happened.
unidentified
Did he just say it's so obvious?
dan friesen
It's so obvious.
Alright, alright.
jordan holmes
Should sci-fi come with a warning label?
Like, you know, warning, advisory, for people who cannot tell the difference between reality and fantasy, this is really gonna fuck you up.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
This is really gonna screw you up.
You're gonna think shit like what Alex just said.
Do we need to have tests before you can read science fiction?
dan friesen
Maybe.
jordan holmes
Do we need to have some sort of comprehension test where it's like, listen, it's like a family video, you know?
Like, they've got the room in the back with all the porn.
You've got to be 18 to go into that room.
Libraries should have that but for sci-fi.
dan friesen
Well, I think that science fiction expands people's minds in such a way that, you know, as a young boy reading like Ray Bradbury or something.
jordan holmes
Hugely influential.
dan friesen
Unlocked a lot of creativity that maybe would have laid dormant in me as a young boy.
And I think that that's the case for a lot of people.
And I think that the good outweighs the bad.
Because I think the case of Alex is so extreme.
jordan holmes
I'm not saying 18. I'm saying there should be a test.
Whenever you can pass the test.
dan friesen
I don't want to limit the excess of sci-fi to the young kids out there who could use it.
jordan holmes
Might be overkill.
Might be overkill.
dan friesen
As far as I know, there is only one person who has a relationship with sci-fi like Alex Jones, and it's Alex.
jordan holmes
I know, but we gotta stop him!
dan friesen
Granted, the consequences are severe.
jordan holmes
They are very bad.
dan friesen
They're very severe.
jordan holmes
They're very bad.
dan friesen
And he's created a false reality for a lot of people to live in, and it's very profitable.
unidentified
But...
dan friesen
I don't think that...
I don't think we need to regulate sci-fi.
jordan holmes
Might be an overreaction.
Might be an overreaction.
I understand that.
dan friesen
Look, spitballing.
It's blue sky thinking.
jordan holmes
I'm just trying.
I'm trying to come up with reasons for this man who says that they're going to feed a pig to another pig to get the first...
dan friesen
Yeah.
I do like the idea, though, that Alex explains all that, and he's like, it's so obvious.
And Barnes' reaction is, exactly.
jordan holmes
Exactly!
What are you people in your brains?
dan friesen
This is what I'm talking about when you go back to 2003 and you have these guests that are a little bit at least like on their own turf or whatever.
They're not these bootlicking...
jordan holmes
Sycophantic nonsense people.
dan friesen
Not only that, Alex, but yes.
unidentified
Of course!
jordan holmes
It is too obvious!
dan friesen
You are totally right!
jordan holmes
No, naturally!
dan friesen
So we gotta learn about a false flag.
jordan holmes
Oh, sure, of course.
dan friesen
I think Barnes might be wrong.
robert barnes
You dig in deep, you find out the Klan was not an organic, authentic group.
The Klan would rise and fall depending on what the politicians in power supported them or not.
They were weaponized tools of the establishment infrastructure local to the community.
They were not some organic group.
That's why, you know, the supposed people said Klan made up of poor white people.
Totally false.
Those poor white people, there would have been some rich white people hanging from trees.
Oh, boy.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
I don't even want...
Barnes, to speak.
And now that he has, I regret it.
dan friesen
The Klan was a false flag, my friend.
jordan holmes
That is...
unidentified
Yeah, it's a bummer.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
So, also, he thinks not only that the Klan is a false flag, but that Antifa is their hypocrites.
robert barnes
If people want to look at Antifa, if Antifa was legitimately an anarchistic group, A group that was opposed to capitalism?
Why have they never attacked the Federal Reserve?
unidentified
Get them.
dan friesen
There are, you know, first of all, it's not an actual group, but also, like, there are people who associate with anti-fascism who are capitalist.
There are people who are anti-fascist leaning who...
Are anarchist or believe that there is a place for the state.
Sure, sure.
It's anti-fascism.
jordan holmes
I feel like he's missing that crucial aspect.
dan friesen
I think it's intentional.
jordan holmes
No, obviously it's intentional.
dan friesen
He's a lawyer.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, you can't be like, if Antifa wants to be an anarchist group without immediately stopping and being like...
Does Antifa want to be an anarchist?
Did they name themselves...
dan friesen
Anarchy.
jordan holmes
Anarchist group, or anti-capitalists, Antica.
Like, sure, we can do all of those things, but if you're describing it, it's called Antifa for fascism.
You can be for capitalism and still against fascism, although one might argue that the eventual road will always lead to fascism, but that's a conversation for a different day.
dan friesen
And I feel like...
Prior to becoming an out-and-out white nationalist, as he is now, Stefan Molyneux, the guy who Barnes is fine hanging out with, was an anarcho-capitalist.
jordan holmes
He did say that.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Anyway.
jordan holmes
And, hey, how about this?
How many Wall Streets have you fucking occupied, you dumb shit?
Why haven't they ever gone after the Fed?
unidentified
Who do you think occupied goddamn Wall Street?
dan friesen
Well...
Sure.
But that was a false flag.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's true.
dan friesen
Anyway.
My bad.
Barnes skedaddles out because he's got to prep that lawsuit.
It's totally going to work.
jordan holmes
Overnight.
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex goes to calls, and this caller, this little 10-second clip is perfect.
alex jones
They're announcing the new booster shots are going to be patches with micro glass that goes into your skin so they can track you.
Did you know that?
unidentified
No, but I mean, I believe anything now, and I just...
dan friesen
Yes, you will.
jordan holmes
Oh, no!
No, no, no!
unidentified
Ma 'am!
jordan holmes
Ma 'am!
No!
Ma 'am!
Somebody save her!
dan friesen
That was a perfect moment.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Alex says something, and she's like, I didn't know that, but I'll believe anything.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's...
unidentified
You will.
dan friesen
You will believe anything.
So you're listening to this bullshit.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Man, you could probably run and win office as a Republican if your slogan was just, you'll believe any old shit I say.
alex jones
I bet...
dan friesen
Oh, God.
I bet if you did something that would be, like, universally decried as offensive and horrible, like, just, I'm gonna run for office, but I'm never gonna wear a shirt.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
You know, it's just like, yeah, I feel like we, most people wear shirts.
dan friesen
I'm not a shirt guy.
jordan holmes
I just don't do shirts!
Come on!
I say it like it is!
Shirtless.
dan friesen
If you're really confident about it, I bet you could win on a GOP ticket.
jordan holmes
Probably.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Because they just don't fucking care.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
They just hate the left.
That's it.
dan friesen
I stick it to the libs.
But I insist on every public appearance that I have, I'm wearing a snake on my neck.
jordan holmes
Listen, listen.
Here's what we got.
You want to stick it to the libs, you go with me.
Shirt or no.
You want to not stick it to the libs, you vote for one of those other assholes over there.
They're not going to stick it to the libs.
dan friesen
No, probably wearing a suit.
jordan holmes
Look, look.
No shirt, no shoes, no service.
No libs is what it is.
No shirt, no shoes, no libs.
dan friesen
No shirt, no shoes, no libs.
Snake around my neck.
Vote for me.
jordan holmes
Vote for me.
dan friesen
So, Alex has been having a good time on this episode, but he kind of fucked up.
He meant to play a bunch of videos of Antifa pretending to be cops.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
That sounds right.
Wait, I'm sorry.
Antifa pretending to be cops?
dan friesen
Yeah, he just hasn't gotten to it, though.
alex jones
And I really wanted to spend a half hour today on the Antifa videos of them acting like police and attacking everybody and going crazy.
And I'll try to play a few of the clips, but I'll just have to do it on the Sunday show.
But I said four hours of your calls.
With your stories.
And I've been doing a pretty good job lately of getting to these calls.
Because they don't want this heard.
They want this shut down.
But again, they're collapsing the economy and they're going to use a race war as the cover for the collapse and then blame that on the race war.
And the guilt of the American people so the banks don't get blamed.
That's the big one.
Ties together with the COVID.
That's a drill for martial law.
But your calls actually are paramount above that.
If I have the energy, I'm actually pretty exhausted right now.
I usually take about an hour off to do some research.
I call that off, not talking, before I go back on air.
But maybe I'll pop in there in the war room today.
dan friesen
Wow.
That's difficult to follow, just as ideas.
Yeah.
But I guess the only thing I really take issue with is the idea that, well, obviously there's going to be a global collapse and there's a race war coming in order to make sure the bankers don't get blamed for that global collapse.
But your calls are more important.
jordan holmes
Naturally.
Absolutely.
dan friesen
If I were a caller, I would take issue with that.
jordan holmes
I just don't even know how to hear him.
dan friesen
He's just saying words.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's exactly what I'm hearing.
I'm just hearing him say words.
When you're following along with what he thinks is supposed to happen, what he's certain is supposed to happen, everything he's doing is insane.
It is an insane person.
That's what I'm saying.
Is this real or fake?
It doesn't matter.
If he believes this stuff, he's crazy.
And if he doesn't believe this stuff, he's maybe more insane.
Because this is...
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex does end up playing some videos of Antifa acting like cops, I think.
I'm not sure.
I didn't watch the video.
I was just listening to the audio.
And this is a surreal thing if you are just listening to the audio, because you can't see what's on the video, and he doesn't say, like, he doesn't narrate the video at all.
jordan holmes
Oh, here's the Antifa or anything like that.
dan friesen
Instead, he just kind of mumbles about violence.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And it's very upsetting.
alex jones
They're like pretending and LARPing.
They're like a SWAT team stopping a bank robber.
But they're not.
They're just beating people up and attacking people.
I mean, I couldn't be a cop to be around these people.
I mean, it's just incredible.
And they go, don't attack us while they attack you.
The left is just trash.
And I'm sorry, man.
I love them with the metal baton.
They start attacking them.
We're going to slit your throat.
All this stuff.
I mean, it's just who they are, man.
They love it.
See, I can't get around that.
I'd go King Kong on those people.
I mean, I'm telling you, it'd be bad, man.
jordan holmes
Are you sure you don't want to file a lawsuit?
alex jones
I've got a real problem.
You want to punch my buttons?
Be five or six people saying they're going to kick my ass.
That punches the buttons, man.
That overwhelming group of people.
That's when the big can of crazy man gets released.
That's when people start getting hurt really bad.
I mean, even looking at it, I just...
Oh, my God.
I mean, those people would have their noses torn off, their heads bashed in, and then, you know, somebody would probably walk up and stab me from behind.
I don't even care, because I just destroy each person one at a time.
It only takes about five seconds to actually get a hold of them.
By the way, anybody can do this.
Anybody can kill a religion.
jordan holmes
Wait, what?
alex jones
People have governors.
I don't have one.
dan friesen
Whoa, okay.
This has gone in a direction.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's not good.
dan friesen
Hey, Alex, did you go to family court yesterday?
unidentified
Ah!
jordan holmes
Well, I do need to reestablish my male dominance, otherwise I won't have any self-esteem whatsoever, and the only way I know how to express that is through fantasies of violence, which makes me a healthy person, as everybody knows.
dan friesen
And assuring my audience that it's easy to kill people.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's what it is.
That's because I'm a man, you know?
I don't have a governor.
dan friesen
God, I would not like to see this kind of conversation on any program.
Like, any program that's trying to be political or...
Talk about issues.
Mumbling about murdering people is just...
jordan holmes
Oof.
unidentified
Whoever...
jordan holmes
I mean, what lawyer was it that made it so that they couldn't show clips of his show?
dan friesen
Barnes.
jordan holmes
Yeah, was it Barnes?
dan friesen
No, no, I don't know.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
Because whoever did that, man...
Imagine just going to family court and just being like, hey...
After we went to family court last time, I'm going to play this clip of Alex on his show.
It's very easy to kill.
I do not have a governor.
dan friesen
Yes.
Most people think it's hard to kill.
That's just because they won't let themselves.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
I, on the other hand, have an ease with murder.
jordan holmes
Your Honor, could we please keep this man as far away from us as possible?
Yes.
Of course.
dan friesen
So Alex says something about murder that I actually kind of think is...
I mean, it's not news.
alex jones
By the way, anybody can do this.
Anybody can kill really easy.
People have governors.
I don't have one.
And five, six people start to fight with me even though I'm 47. I'm young.
I just want to tear them to pieces.
And I know a lot of you have that in you too.
And the left doesn't get that whole veneer is starting to peel away, ladies and gentlemen.
So, I don't have a governor.
dan friesen
Now, I think we know that, and we have known that for a long time.
jordan holmes
We're very well aware of it.
dan friesen
Yes, that's kind of been the whole thing about you and your types, Alex, is that you very clearly want to kill us.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Won't stop talking about it.
jordan holmes
Just amazing how in a very short period of time you can say, the left is just trash.
They're just evil.
They're just like this.
Now, obviously, I could kill, and I want to.
And I have no governor.
dan friesen
And I know you do, too.
jordan holmes
And you could kill.
dan friesen
And it's much easier than you think.
jordan holmes
But that's the problem.
That's the problem, Dan.
The left is trash.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Now, obviously, I have no governor or a moral system, and I'm willing to kill.
Despite being a Christian, I am ready and willing to kill with no governor.
I have no governor!
dan friesen
And the left thinks that they're all safe.
The veneer of our politeness and non-murdering is starting to slip.
Hey, buddy!
It slipped a while ago.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you remember when you stormed the goddamn Capitol?
dan friesen
Yeah, or the Unite the Right rally, or any of the...
jordan holmes
All the murders you guys do?
dan friesen
Oh yeah, there were those too.
jordan holmes
There's all the fucking murders.
dan friesen
Every time Stuart Rhodes talks?
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, that fucking psycho.
Jesus.
dan friesen
Anyway, we have one last clip here, because Alex takes a call, and I just want to play this because I think it's unhinged.
unidentified
One, I was gonna...
See if you could, like, hold a call-in prayer session show, like a segment hour for, like, on Sunday or Sunday night or something like that.
alex jones
I think that's really smart.
Or beyond that, people tell their testimony and talk about God and talk about how we need God.
In fact, I don't think that's just an hour of a show.
I'll do the next Sunday or a special show next week dedicated to God.
You're right.
unidentified
Thank you, thank you.
Yeah, because on October 12, 2016, you prayed for Trump to win, and I prayed right along with you, and I think that granted the prayer, but...
dan friesen
Yeah, I think our prayers got Trump elected, and look, this is just, like, this is great.
If I were Alex, I would be so pumped about something like this, because it's like, okay, the audience is starting to suggest that I become a televangelist.
If I can make this transition work...
jordan holmes
All I gotta do is just push a little bit through.
dan friesen
Yes.
If I can have a proof of concept where I start doing shows that are entirely...
jordan holmes
Pure religious.
dan friesen
...religious nonsense.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I can make that profitable.
I can stop this whole bullshit.
jordan holmes
Man.
dan friesen
I can stop doing things that are gonna get me sued all the time.
jordan holmes
I just wanna scream at these people.
I don't...
Why...
I wish...
I wish I didn't have any...
Governor?
No.
Biblical education.
unidentified
Oh.
jordan holmes
I...
It drives me insane.
It was hammered into me so much, so fucking much, now that the idea of these people saying, oh, we're so fucking Christian and the left is evil and immoral and shit.
Read your goddamn Bible.
Can you imagine how Jesus would feel if you made money off of praying to him?
dan friesen
Money!
jordan holmes
He's going to do an hour-long show just about prayer for you, and then he's going to...
Plug in the goddamn middle of it.
dan friesen
In the middle of your prayer.
jordan holmes
And you're going to tell me.
You're going to tell me you're Christian.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You fucking pieces of shit.
unidentified
Please smite the globalists.
jordan holmes
God damn it.
I hate these fucking people.
dan friesen
Please smite my enemies.
Amen.
unidentified
Also, God, I should tell you, it's 25% off.
jordan holmes
I know!
unidentified
On bodies.
jordan holmes
It's unreal.
Unreal.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It is just sitting there, and I see...
dan friesen
Yeah, I think it would introduce a difficulty for me in terms of, like, if his show went full televangelist...
jordan holmes
Who, having me here?
dan friesen
No, I think I'd have to keep doing it, right?
I'd have to keep following the show.
jordan holmes
Sure.
I mean, it's a new frontier for us.
dan friesen
To be clear, I don't think necessarily that's where he's going, although I do think it would be a smart decision.
unidentified
Probably.
dan friesen
Which is why whenever there's sort of indications of...
An instinct to go that way.
It's like, you should take that off, Ramp Man.
jordan holmes
Probably smart.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
If you can survive these cases that you're in the middle of now and get to televangelism.
unidentified
You're golden.
God, yeah.
dan friesen
Jim Baker's been scamming for decades.
jordan holmes
Decades!
dan friesen
He went to fucking prison.
jordan holmes
He's not even trying.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
He stopped trying after he went to prison and just smoothly walked back into it.
dan friesen
He has a compound.
jordan holmes
He has a compound.
unidentified
In the Ozarks.
jordan holmes
Everything you talk about.
unidentified
And no one talks about it.
jordan holmes
Everything you talk about, like I want to move into the middle of nowhere, just do a Jim Baker.
dan friesen
He sells survival food.
jordan holmes
He owns people who live in his compound.
That's real!
He can tell them what to do whenever he wants!
Oh my god.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's the hammock.
That's the retirement that all shitheads like Alex should dream of.
Anyway, I thought this was fun, if only because this study was just a travesty.
Of Alex just being unable to even deal with any kind of source material.
jordan holmes
No, that wasn't even redacted.
That was lit on fire before he even had the chance to read it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
It made me think very frequently.
alex jones
All right, shut up, Jones!
dan friesen
Quite a few times.
jordan holmes
Nicely done.
dan friesen
Thanks.
jordan holmes
Well done.
Nice bookend.
We came full circle.
There was a narrative through line, and you closed it out strong.
dan friesen
And I came up with Spouse Mouse.
jordan holmes
Yes, exactly.
Yeah, in a stroke of genius.
dan friesen
Oh, God.
jordan holmes
It was a good day.
It was a good day.
dan friesen
I'm never going to top Spouse Mouse.
jordan holmes
You'll top Spouse Mouse.
unidentified
I'll try.
Dan, Spouse Mouse is not that good.
dan friesen
I might be tired.
Anyway, Jordan, we'll be back.
alex jones
Yes, we will be back.
dan friesen
For another episode soon.
But until then, we have a website.
jordan holmes
We do have a website.
It's knowledgefight.com.
dan friesen
Yes, we're also on Twitter.
jordan holmes
We are on Twitter.
It's added go to Ben Jordan at knowledge underscore fight.
dan friesen
We're also on Facebook.
jordan holmes
We are on Facebook.
We'll give you a town show!
If you could, please find a local charity or bail fund in your area.
dan friesen
Also, check for a new episode of our role-playing.
jordan holmes
Oh yeah, that's right!
dan friesen
Middle of the week.
jordan holmes
Yes, we will be putting that out middle of the week.
dan friesen
Should have another exciting installment of Dutch Wildfang and Friends.
unidentified
Let's hope so.
dan friesen
That's what I'm calling it from now on.
jordan holmes
Dutch Wildfang and Friends.
I thought God's Damn Wizard wasn't a terrible title.
It's a play on God Damn.
dan friesen
I assume there's a wizard we're going to run into eventually.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So enjoy that look for that.
We'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX.
Clark.
I'm Daryl Rundis.
steve quayle
And now here comes the sex robots.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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