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March 26, 2021 - Knowledge Fight
01:22:54
#543: March 23-24, 2021

Today, Dan and Jordan discuss Alex Jones' return from his secret mission to Connecticut and puzzle over the countless possibilities of what he was doing there. Also, Alex is grossly xenophobic and Dan gets disappointed by Jim Hoft's brother.

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alex jones
13:50
d
dan friesen
38:24
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jordan holmes
22:42
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owen shroyer
02:45
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joe hoft
00:19
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Speaker Time Text
alex jones
Knowledge Fight.
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys.
Knowledge Fight.
unidentified
Dan and Jordan.
Knowledge Fight.
alex jones
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
unidentified
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Quick question for you.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot today?
dan friesen
My bright spot today is I'd like to thank a wonk out there named Pat.
Who got in touch and helped me find some old Alex Jones episodes.
I'm still on the hunt for more, but it's one of the first times that a tip has actually paid off, and I've got some interesting stuff to look at.
So I really appreciate that.
jordan holmes
That's good news.
dan friesen
Definitely, especially as the modern day is kind of like...
Spoiler alert, basically I'm really underselling the episode we're about to do.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
And I don't enjoy listening to it nearly as much as I probably would some...
Kind of like...
We did a deep in the past intellectual exercise kind of thing.
jordan holmes
So you got home movies is what you're saying.
We're going to see clips of Alex playing baseball at 12. It's going to be great.
dan friesen
Unless it's a variant of baseball that is all about anti-communist heroes.
jordan holmes
John Birchball, I believe, is what it's called.
Yeah, Birchball.
dan friesen
Yeah, so that's My Bright Spot.
How about you?
jordan holmes
My Bright Spot, Dan, is I found a TV show called Wellington Paranormal that's made by the...
Same guys that did What We Do in the Shadows.
Jemaine Clement and Taika Waititi.
It's fantastic!
It's really good.
It's like an X-Files that's super understated in that New Zealand way where it's like they're trying to give a ticket to a werewolf.
Like that kind of situation where they're just...
That sounds fun.
Oblivious to the absolute insanity going on around them is just like, no, we're just trying to do our jobs.
dan friesen
I can dig that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's really, really funny.
It's in that great vein of the mockumentary kind of stuff.
It's great.
dan friesen
I hate these kinds of moments because I like...
I hear that and I'm like, that sounds good, I probably enjoy that.
You'll never see it.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
The second moment is like, I'm never going to watch that.
jordan holmes
I'm never going to watch that shit.
dan friesen
Oh well, maybe one day.
jordan holmes
Someday I'll get to New Zealand.
dan friesen
Then I'll watch it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we'll see it on the local TV.
dan friesen
You know, Jordan, I gotta say, I feel like it's been too long.
It feels like too long in between episodes.
jordan holmes
What, between Mondays and Fridays?
dan friesen
Yeah, it really does.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
It just feels like too long.
jordan holmes
You are...
dan friesen
I'm itching to be back in this seat.
jordan holmes
You're utterly incapable of doing anything but 12 episodes per week.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
If you could, I would just...
dan friesen
I feel like we're getting back together and it's been forever.
jordan holmes
It's surprising that it has been while.
Especially considering I think we watched a movie together on Tuesday.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, yeah.
dan friesen
Monday.
jordan holmes
Whatever.
dan friesen
Anyway, we're back in the saddle.
unidentified
Indeed.
dan friesen
And today we'll be going over March 23rd and 24th, 2021, Blackjack.
unidentified
Blackjack!
Oh, goddammit.
dan friesen
And this is Tuesday and Wednesday of this year week.
jordan holmes
Alright.
dan friesen
And there's something interesting that's going on, man.
Beginning of this week, Alex was gone again.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
He was out of studio again doing something.
On the East Coast.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Okay.
dan friesen
Something mysterious.
jordan holmes
He's trying to get out of Texas slowly, and then it keeps pulling him back in like the Twilight Zone kind of situation.
dan friesen
He apparently recorded a video of himself at the Skull and Bones.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Which I applaud.
Going back to his roots.
jordan holmes
No, absolutely.
dan friesen
It's the kind of thing he should be moving back towards.
jordan holmes
Why not?
Yes.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Certainly better than literal devil stuff.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'm on team fuck the Skull and Crossbow.
I don't like Yale or whatever it is.
Fine.
dan friesen
At the same time, as I expressed to you, I'm going to be furious if I have to do more episodes about where Geronimo's bones are.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'm not going to be stoked about that one.
That's true.
dan friesen
I don't want to hear it.
Anyway, he is back on the 23rd.
And I would say not better than ever.
And we'll get down to talking about that little stretch of time.
But before we do, let's take a little moment, Jordan, to say thank you to some folks who are now policy wonks.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's a great idea.
dan friesen
So first, Globalist Big Dr. B. Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, BDB!
unidentified
Thank you.
dan friesen
Next, Jay in Maine.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Jay!
alex jones
Thank you.
dan friesen
Next, you are wow and policy punk.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
You are, well, a policy...
dan friesen
Tongue twister.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
Next, Lord Cakewagon.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, Lord Cakewagon.
dan friesen
And Muffin Pants.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, Muffin Pants.
dan friesen
Also, Baby Goblin.
What's going on?
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, baby.
Did you know that Baby Goblin was made a lord between now and when they sent that in?
dan friesen
Oh, that's interesting.
jordan holmes
So it's lord Baby Goblin now.
dan friesen
I did not realize that.
jordan holmes
I apologize.
40% of all wonks are lords.
dan friesen
I did not realize there was this honorific.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's a weird thing that happens.
dan friesen
And then also that reminded me that when we were doing our zipping up the mailbag, one of the things we forgot was that goblin.
jordan holmes
Oh, I know!
dan friesen
That got sent it.
It was sitting right next to you.
jordan holmes
I brought it from my place.
I was so gentle with it.
I was holding it in the palm of my hand like, I didn't let anything bad happen to it.
And then I didn't get to show anybody.
dan friesen
And that was from Cameron.
And so thank you so much, Cameron.
You are now a technocrat.
jordan holmes
Yes, thank you very much.
dan friesen
And Drew Desadu.
Thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
Crikey, mate.
That's fantastic.
Have yourself a brew.
How's your 401k doing, bro?
All right, we got to go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, all right?
Let's just get down to business.
We ain't making that money off that heroin.
Why are you pimp so good?
My neck is freakishly large.
I declare Infowar on you.
dan friesen
Thank you to y 'all.
jordan holmes
Yes, thank you very much.
dan friesen
So yeah, I would say that this stretch of time is bad.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And there was actually a bit more in it that I felt it was...
Offensively bad.
It felt more like, I don't want to do this.
jordan holmes
Which type?
We have many different types of bad on this show.
We have the incompetent kind.
We have the uninspired kind.
We have the horrific evil kind.
What type of bad are we talking about?
We can't even use the word bad anymore.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's true.
It's tough to exactly pigeonhole it, but it just feels like generalized incitement.
And it's kind of a generalized, boring incitement.
jordan holmes
That's not good.
dan friesen
That largely has to do around white fears and immigrants.
There's a lot of that.
And I questioned, on a certain level while I was listening to these, is this even worth it?
Does this rise to the level of paying attention to it?
Because it's pretty much just...
Fucking gross, most of the time.
jordan holmes
Well, that's not good.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
No, it's not.
jordan holmes
It's not even super bad.
It's just gross.
It's just real gross.
dan friesen
Anyway, here's a out-of-context drop from today's show.
alex jones
These people are evil.
And when I say they're not even physically ugly, it's that they're not real.
Like, when you see a mannequin, or you see, like I say, plastic fruit, you know it's plastic fruit.
No matter how good it is, no matter how fake it is, you look at it, you go, that's fake.
You just know.
And you look at them, you go, that's not normal.
That's not normal.
Look at Brian Stelter.
That's not normal.
That's an enemy.
That's the enemy.
God, Blaggett.
unidentified
God, Blaggett.
Blaggett!
jordan holmes
He screams to God himself, how dare you make me kill my son, Blaggett?
dan friesen
I heard that and I was like...
All I want to do now for the rest of my life is hide plastic fruit around Alex.
jordan holmes
I was going to say, that sounds like a man who has tried to eat plastic fruit.
100%.
dan friesen
I just want to get him on camera eating plastic fruit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's like somebody who goes out of their way to all of a sudden be like, you know, I've never tripped going upstairs embarrassingly.
It's never happened to me.
I've seen tons of people do it before, but not me!
dan friesen
So, Alex is late to work on the 23rd, and it's because his plane was delayed.
And so he recorded himself prior to this, so he'd have something to play in the beginning of the show.
alex jones
I'm Alex Jones, your host, and as we speak, I'm about to arrive at the studio and complete the transmission live.
But I'm coming to you from earlier today in the space-time continuum as major news and information breaks.
We're about to premiere this amazing report that only you can share with others and defeat the globalists.
This is seriously a mission.
We are seriously on the cutting edge of this fight.
dan friesen
This goddamn anti-communist Smokey the Bear.
jordan holmes
All right.
Only you can stop the globalists.
Okay.
We gotta get...
We gotta get...
I want video surveillance footage of him recording that in a weird bathroom somewhere.
dan friesen
Right, and trying to eat the fake fruit.
jordan holmes
Actually, I don't want that surveillance.
dan friesen
Never mind.
Yeah.
So, you know, here's some of the stuff he's covering in his pre-recorded shit.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
Now, the incredible news is Project Veritas has done it yet again.
They just had a major court ruling where a judge said the New York Times printed lies about them, that they were fake news, that that was a known fraud, and that the New York Times lied.
dan friesen
Project Veritas did not win that lawsuit.
The headline that Alex is lying about here have to do with a New York Supreme Court judge determining that Veritas' defamation suit against the Times can move forward.
A couple articles in the Times referred to some Veritas videos as deceptive, but the judge felt that this was more opinion than it was straight up reporting of news.
This kind of ruling honestly just seems like a parody where a liar is getting the court to force journalists to strictly adhere to rules that they themselves think are jokes.
I don't know.
Anyway, the game here for Project Veritas isn't actually to win the case or anything like that.
It's about the media circus they can drum up along the way while simultaneously trying to make other outlets scared to critically cover their work.
That's what's going on here.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there should be a consultancy for dumb old judges who are like, well, I guess we have to take these people as good faith actors because of the legal system.
And we could just be like, hey, no, you guys probably should have charged them with a federal crime a few years ago.
So no, fuck these guys.
dan friesen
So Alex still hasn't shown up at this point.
And it's getting to be like a ways into the show.
And so Owen's got to break in.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
With some big news.
jordan holmes
Okay.
owen shroyer
Ladies and gentlemen, we are live inside the Infowars World Headquarters here.
Owen Troyer sitting in studio.
We're going to go back to Alex Jones here shortly.
He's going to be joining us live here shortly as well.
But I had to break in and report some of the latest that we know of the Boulder, Colorado shooter.
Obviously, his name, Ahmad al-Issa.
It's now coming out.
He was an Islamic State sympathizer, so an Islamicist.
He was an immigrant from Syria.
dan friesen
I don't know if I can find any evidence that he was an Islamic State sympathizer outside of wild conjecture being made by the guy who runs Jihad Watch.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I was going to say, all we've got there is Owen read the name and he was like, well, obviously this is a terrorist.
dan friesen
And the thing that I find really interesting is even within the last week, you can see how news is dealt with differently.
When there was those shootings at the spas in Atlanta, Alex didn't even talk about it.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
And then the next day, it was like, ah, incel, weirdo!
Or whatever.
And then just moved on.
Maybe touched the story for a second on the second day.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
When it's this, break into coverage.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Owen Troyer's gotta come into studio to break in to give you the latest.
Eh, kinda see what's going on here.
jordan holmes
This is something that should fill people with great shame.
Mm-hmm.
just on a really deep human level, just disgusting.
Because it proves beyond reasonable doubt that they are choosing which stories maliciously.
Not because of any kind of newsworthiness, purely by malice.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I mean, I think it's demonstrated throughout most of your career.
jordan holmes
Sure, but I mean, there's no middle ground on that whatsoever.
dan friesen
No, it's pretty tough.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Owen knows, I mean, he's been around long enough at Infowars that he knows the game.
He knows exactly what they do in these cases of shootings.
jordan holmes
Gun control is coming.
dan friesen
Well, of course, but also psych meds.
We've got to talk about that.
We've got to portray him as the other side.
He was a leftist, bro.
jordan holmes
Of course.
owen shroyer
He was, it seems, maybe a paranoid schizophrenic.
So who knows what kind of pharmaceutical drugs he had been prescribed, potentially, for those mental problems.
And then we also have a lot of his social media activity before it was deleted, before it was deleted, showing that he was an anti-Trumper, he was a leftist.
dan friesen
Liberal, progressive, he was one of those that pushed the leftist narrative to a T. So, I mean, they do have some screenshots of what appear to be his social media, and I mean, some of those descriptions are slightly fair.
He had some posts that they showed that were critical of Trump, but like, I don't know how much, like, it doesn't seem like it has anything to do with, at least they haven't demonstrated at all that it has anything to do with what happened.
So, Alex plays audio of the shooting.
And I think it's incredibly exploitative, and I'm not going to play that here, but I'm going to play what he has afterwards.
This is something he had pre-recorded also.
alex jones
His name was Eric Talley, a 51-year-old father of seven who was a patriot and who really loved human life and that everybody that knew him said was just an amazing person.
And he died heroically.
Helping stop some type of insane demonic psycho that went into a King's Super grocery store in Boulder, Colorado and shot and killed 10 people, including this police officer.
He's the only name we know right now.
dan friesen
This is tragic, and I'm not going to diminish anything, but the way Alex is behaving around this is really exploitative.
That's really the only way I can put it.
And then when Owen starts talking about what the solution to these problems are...
It kind of runs counter to the way Alex in his pre-recorded stuff is trying to build this up.
owen shroyer
Look, here's the deal.
Mass shootings in this country are really a rare occurrence, and they would be even more rare if we had citizens with guns stopping them.
But they know the police take at least two minutes to get to the scene, so they know they can fire off at least a magazine or two full of rounds at innocent people killing people and get away with it.
Because they never get stopped until the cops show up.
One person, one citizen, one good citizen with a gun could have saved lives in that Colorado grocery store.
And so there's this whole notion like, oh, you just want it to be like the Wild Wild West, everybody with a pistol on their head.
No, that's not how I want it.
That's not how I want it at all.
jordan holmes
I want white people to have guns.
owen shroyer
All it took was one...
Crazy guy, one bad guy with a gun to kill ten people.
All it would have taken was one good guy with a gun in that store to stop it.
dan friesen
The problem is that one of the people who was killed was a cop who was responding, who had a gun.
jordan holmes
Oh, they didn't give him the gun that day.
dan friesen
I mean, it's not like this disproves any possibility of someone disrupting an active shooting or anything like that, but the notion that they have that this is a magic, pardon the expression, a magic bullet.
To stop situations like this, it's just ludicrous.
jordan holmes
Yeah, in order to stop mass shootings, we need to get one good guy with a gun to either assume people are going to be a mass shooter and just start killing before anyone is a mass shooter, or...
Get to the point where they're killing people after one or two killings.
So it's not a mass shooting.
It's just four or five people dead.
I don't think you're solving a goddamn thing.
dan friesen
Yeah, interject into the center of an active shooting and deputize yourself to shoot out with somebody who...
I don't think this is a good solution.
And I think that Infowars own reporting is a little bit convoluted on this front.
Anyway, Owen has a belief that most people won't ever really be affected by mass shootings.
And, I mean, that's a little offensive.
jordan holmes
Very.
dan friesen
Everyone will be affected by liberal policies.
jordan holmes
Oh, that'll happen.
owen shroyer
Most people listening to this broadcast will probably never be directly impacted by a mass shooting.
Let's pray to God that continues.
But almost everybody listening to this podcast, almost everybody listening to this radio show, almost everybody watching this right now...
Is going to be negatively impacted by Democrat-Liberal policies, just like everyone in that grocery store was.
That's the real threat.
And now the liberal lefties are going so out of control, their minds are so warped, their minds are so bent, propagandized, they've become dangers to society.
So this individual was a danger to society.
He came in with a gun, he killed people.
Well, most of these liberals may not have a gun.
But they're dangers to society.
Their policies will kill you.
Their policies will kill freedom in the West.
dan friesen
So, the only policies, really, that he could be really talking about...
jordan holmes
Have to be gun control, right?
dan friesen
Well, that's one possibility.
Disarming people who could be the good person with a gun who can carry out murder against a murderer.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
Or, it's immigration-related, because this guy came from Syria a number of years back.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And so, that would be the leftist policy that he's attacking there.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
They're letting people who do these mass shootings in.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
And either way, it's dumb.
But it's also just disappointing.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, it's hard to just...
It's not far apart.
It's hard to be like, oh, it's liberals letting people in a week after it's not liberals letting people in.
You know, it's like, maybe there's a larger problem.
Maybe there's one that should be dealt with.
And maybe we should deal with it in a way that makes sense.
dan friesen
Or we could issue everybody guns.
jordan holmes
Do you want a gun, Dan?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Oh, are you sure?
dan friesen
Not at the moment.
unidentified
On the hip?
dan friesen
No, I'm alright for right now.
Okay, fine.
Would you like an appetizer?
jordan holmes
Would you like a gun?
dan friesen
I'm okay.
jordan holmes
Are you sure?
dan friesen
I also think that Owen's not the best prism to be looking at this through.
He's very milquetoast, but also clearly...
Pretty extreme.
jordan holmes
He's got a psychopathic energy of the banality of evil going on about him.
dan friesen
Alex is more sort of interesting, and Harrison Smith is more of a straight-up bigot.
jordan holmes
Yeah, Harrison Smith just says, don't let brown people in, and if they are in, shoot them with guns.
But being boring about it, which is terrifying.
dan friesen
So thankfully, Owen is done at this point, and Alex shows back up.
You know what he was doing?
He was on a secret mission.
alex jones
Well, I was on a secret mission in Connecticut.
unidentified
I bet we'll find out what it is!
alex jones
I am back in Austin.
Just landed about 30 minutes ago.
Rushed here to the studio.
Flight was a little bit delayed or I would have been here for the start of the broadcast.
dan friesen
So we don't know.
We don't get to find out what this secret mission was.
We don't.
jordan holmes
We don't get to find out what it is?
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
What about the video we have of it out there?
dan friesen
Well, I mean, he went to the Skull and Bones.
alex jones
Sure.
dan friesen
But that wasn't his main trip.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
His main trip was, I would guess, if I had to bet anything, it would be lawyer-related.
jordan holmes
It was in Connecticut.
dan friesen
It was in Connecticut.
jordan holmes
Does he have any possible reason?
There's no secret mission I could think of to go to Connecticut.
dan friesen
Boy, you know, there's a lot of reasons to go to Connecticut if you're Alex Jones.
At the drop of a hat.
jordan holmes
I would argue he has more reasons to go to Connecticut than just about anybody else alive.
dan friesen
He has one very specific reason to go to Connecticut.
jordan holmes
He is locked into Connecticut.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I would guess it had something to do with maybe, like, Discovery or something.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
To do with the Sandy Hook case.
I mean, like, I can't imagine it being unrelated to that case.
jordan holmes
It would be hard.
It would be hard.
dan friesen
When he said he was going to the East Coast, I was like...
Smells like Sandy Hook something, but, you know, I don't know.
There's a lot of places he could go on the East Coast.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
When he said it's Connecticut...
jordan holmes
Well...
dan friesen
He's either...
It's either Sandy Hook case related or he went to Stanford and he's trying to get a job with Vince McMahon.
jordan holmes
Ah, that's possible.
I'm not going to say no to that.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's the only other possibility.
jordan holmes
Maybe he's enrolling in UConn.
He wants to be a Husky, Dan.
I went there for a semester.
dan friesen
Hey, maybe he's following your footsteps.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he's always wanted to be me.
dan friesen
So, Trump, you know, this narrative gets really interesting with Alex at this point.
He's like, Obama, bad camps for immigrants and migrants coming over.
unidentified
Bad.
dan friesen
Trump cleaned it all up.
unidentified
Good.
dan friesen
Everything is good.
Now, bad again.
jordan holmes
How is it bad so fast?
dan friesen
It went bad really fast.
jordan holmes
It seems like it's too fast.
dan friesen
Well, it's because Biden had a clip that Alex keeps playing where he's saying that he wants people to surge in whenever he becomes president.
And what he's talking about is people applying for refugee status that were disallowed from being able to apply for refugee status during the Trump administration.
jordan holmes
We took four refugees during the entire Trump administration.
Biden's like, can we have more than four?
dan friesen
That's not accurate, but also the ceiling was dropped quite a bit.
jordan holmes
Yes, I was being perhaps embellishing.
dan friesen
And the only way to apply for asylum in the United States as a refugee, you have to be in the United States.
So when the Trump administration would stop people from making it into consulates or on the border, that was what he's talking about.
So Alex is pretending that Biden was like, everybody!
Over the wall.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And so anyway, it's bad now.
The camps are back to bad.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
Remember all the nice facilities Trump built with the water fountains in each area?
And they said, oh, you're drinking out of toilets.
And AOC went and cried in front of a fence at a parking lot.
Well, she's not crying now because she's a monster and an exploiter for the most powerful, rich, tax-exempt billionaires on the planet, ladies and gentlemen.
dan friesen
AOC literally came out immediately against Biden having migrant facilities open for children.
She tweeted, quote, Alex is making up that AOC doesn't oppose the things that Biden's administration is doing at the border because that's too complicated of a story for him to tell his audience.
The listeners are used to very simplistic good versus evil characterizations of people, so to introduce the idea that AOC was against the treatment of migrants under Trump and is still opposed to the same types of treatment under Biden, that represents a threat to the character.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it really fucks things up whenever your enemy, I suppose, of Alex's has ideological consistency.
dan friesen
And ideological differences between the people Alex wants to pretend are all working for the fucking devil.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
He could have picked plenty of Democrats who were like, well, we're Democrats in the White House now, we don't need to worry about...
Yeah, that's not an unpopular opinion.
Yeah, but AOC is...
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, most of this episode has been immigrant bashing at this point.
I have not cut out a...
Or I have not included a ton, just because it's kind of standard, boring immigrant bashing that I just don't...
I don't know.
He's said a lot of this stuff before.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he hates non-white people going into the country.
We got it.
alex jones
And then they're bringing in hard, core people.
Most of the, quote, Middle Eastern immigrants in the country, the refugees in the U.S., it's over 75% that are men.
Look the numbers up.
In Europe, again, looking up, 85 to 90% are men.
Military age men.
Yeah, there's this tweet, Ahmed Al-Isa, why refugees and immigrants are good for America.
dan friesen
So I was trying to connect that to the Boulder shooting, and it kind of makes a little clearer what Owen's line of thought probably was.
Like I said, this episode's almost impossible to listen to.
There's no real substance going on, and it's mostly Alex just rambling nonsense to make his listeners afraid of immigrants.
According to the Pew Research numbers put out in August 2020, Alex is completely full of shit.
One thing he probably doesn't even know is that, quote, That's 16% Muslim and 79% Christian.
That's super different than the picture Alex tends to paint, which is weird.
It's kind of weird.
Also, according to the statistics from the Department of Homeland Security regarding refugee arrivals in 2019, there's just no way to pretend that everyone coming in are military-aged men.
For one, 49% of arrivals in 2019 were women.
Secondly, 12% of all arrivals were age 45 or older, but then again, I have no idea what Alex would consider military-aged.
Finally, the thing that Alex is mostly banking on here is that 43.2% of arrivals were between the ages of 0 and 17. That's a pretty wide age gap, so using the same number, Alex could try to make you scared of refugee teens, and someone else could explain to you that a lot of these people are children.
Issues related to immigration and refugee resettlement are super important in the real world, but they aren't important when dealing with Alex.
He isn't living in reality and making an argument for policy.
He's decided that he hates immigration and the U.S. becoming less white, and he's making up shit to justify it.
None of this stuff is real, and it's just an appeal to fear, and it's boring.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and it's really, really fucked up on the back of a racist, misogynist mass shooting.
Like, okay, whoa, we gotta hold off on being racist towards Asian for a little bit, so we can't not be racist.
So we're gonna switch targets to just blanket him.
How many fucking years are we going to do this?
It's not like this is a new thing for some white motherfucking asshole to start screaming that all immigrants are evil.
We do it...
All the goddamn time.
dan friesen
You mean Alex, not the shooters?
jordan holmes
No, I don't mean...
Yeah, I mean Alex.
But I mean, like, it goes back...
You can read newspaper articles from 1790 where it's like, now we gotta close our fucking borders.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
You know, it's like, we're just not gonna deal with it.
dan friesen
And the maligned groups can change, but the mentality stays the same.
jordan holmes
And every time it winds up in violence, it doesn't stop!
And we could deal with it, but we just refused to under some bullshit banner of just like Project Veritas being allowed to go with their fucking lawsuit.
These guys are not good faith actors.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Probably not.
But you know who you should go to for information and ideas about immigration?
jordan holmes
The Health Ranger?
dan friesen
Someone in Europe who has a great track record.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
Someone who might be the head of Hungary.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
alex jones
Orban's come out from Eastern Europe and said it's forbidden to say so in Europe, but this is organized invasion.
95% of the immigrants are military-age men.
Yeah, some of the boatloads come in there, 95% military-age men.
Hell, some are 100%, but the numbers we've gotten are 85%, 95%.
It's on, ladies and gentlemen.
And when they're on video, they're like, I'm here to rape, I'm here to kill, I'm here to burn.
And they just start burning cities, raping.
dan friesen
Holy shit.
jordan holmes
That seems extra.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And I don't know about appealing to Victor Orban as your guy.
I don't know if that's a great citation, seeing as he's made assisting refugees a criminal act.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I would say, boy, it seems like he's like, you know what?
That Chow Chescue had some good policies.
I'm not saying he's a good guy, but when it comes to immigration, you want the Chow and you get the Chescue.
Okay?
dan friesen
Yeah, it's strange.
Well, I mean, it's not strange at all.
It's very transparent.
Anyway, if Biden, you know, after these shootings that have happened, if he wants to take the guns, turns out Alex and his friends are going to be more deadly than the Viet Cong.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
So let me tell you where this is going to end.
If Joe Biden tries to take the guns, it's going to wipe out law enforcement and a lot of military to cause a civil war that'll make the Vietnamese resistance in Vietnam look tame.
And then if they were even successful to break the back of the country and get most people to do it, it will then create a giant underground and lawlessness.
You'll have such bad police involved, they'll all be corrupt, that you will be worse than Mexico.
We will be a completely...
Failed state with kidnappings, murders, beheadings, hundreds of thousands dead every few years, just like we basically are becoming.
Because a Tower of Babel can be ruled by the AI globalist takeover that's killing everybody.
That wants a post-human world.
dan friesen
Okay.
Yeah, I don't know.
I'm not sure exactly what he's trying to intimate.
Like, is it that if Biden...
Puts in better background check regulations for guns.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That everybody will be murdered on the street?
Or is it that he and his friends will start guerrilla warfare?
jordan holmes
I think he's just imagining Red Dawn.
That's what he's talking about.
He's talking about joining the Wolverines.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Going up in the mountains and running the Swamp Fox 2.0.
Yeah, 1776 2.0.
No!
That's over with.
dan friesen
Right, right.
jordan holmes
1764 2.0, Dan.
dan friesen
It seems like a little...
I don't know.
It doesn't make me feel all that comfortable.
It's going back to a lot of the ideas that were more popular within some of these militia right-wing communities earlier on.
The books like Unintended Consequences.
Those kinds of ideas, it's just not great to see them popping up again.
Things feel a lot more volatile right now.
jordan holmes
Yeah, on the other hand, they are a bunch of cosplaying cowards that give up at the first hint of actual resistance.
It is a little bit heartening for me to look back on the 6th and remember that when push comes to shove...
Alex will say that it was never his idea, and it was all the liberals' fault in the end.
So I'm not too worried about guerrilla warfare from these assholes.
dan friesen
You know all those people who are out there doing the Red Dawn thing?
That's just Antifa.
jordan holmes
No, that was Antifa.
They're Red Dawning us because of the double Red Dawn proposition.
dan friesen
Okay.
So, boy, this isn't good.
Yeah, I'll just tell you that.
There's a good setup for this clip.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
This isn't good.
jordan holmes
Not good.
alex jones
So let me explain how this works.
They collapse the third world.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
They flood us with Africans, military-aged men, Europe particularly.
jordan holmes
That doesn't sound right.
alex jones
And then, yeah, I mean, you're in a town of 500 Germans.
They put 2,000 military-aged men, black men from a poor country there with no jobs at a refugee center.
They start raping and robbing you, some of them.
Now you hate black people.
Now you want to...
Annihilate them.
And see, that's how the globalists are going to make us join them in the extermination of the third world.
That's coming next.
dan friesen
I don't know if I would be susceptible to that sort of plan that the globalists would have, because I see other solutions to problems.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm confused.
dan friesen
I'm not entirely sure if there are these towns with 500 people and 2,000 immigrants come into it, all men with no jobs or whatever, but let's assume that is the situation.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
I feel like there could be some other...
Sort of structural ways that we could deal with the issue.
Hey, let's put some government works projects together.
Get these people employed.
Let's get some jobs.
Let's get some maintenance.
I know this from the United States and Chicago specific.
Every bridge needs a little bit of work.
jordan holmes
That's true.
That is true.
dan friesen
Bridges are scary.
jordan holmes
They are deteriorating quick.
dan friesen
So let's get the government involved and inject a little bit.
That does make sense.
No, no, Alex is determined that this is how they're gonna trick you into wanting to annihilate a population.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I really feel like maybe you don't need, or maybe, I feel like maybe you're manufacturing reasons to do what you already want to do.
dan friesen
Maybe.
jordan holmes
That's what I would, that would be my instant reaction to this.
dan friesen
Maybe you want to feel blameless about having those feelings already.
And so you're creating excuses.
jordan holmes
I'm just going to go out on a limb here, and I'm going to say that that would probably become a national news story, maybe a global news story.
If Germany's government, Merkel is just like, yeah, we're going to put 2,000 only military-aged men in with this small, tiny town of 500 people, and then they're going to murder everyone.
And they'd be like, at the very least, this would call for a special session of Congress, right?
Yeah.
At least one.
dan friesen
Yeah.
One of the things that I think is really interesting is that Alex plays a lot of games with what he believes is going on.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
You know, like, he'll say that the globalists believe that they're talking to an extra-dimensional being.
I'm not saying I believe that.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, he doesn't believe that.
dan friesen
I'm saying that that's what they believe.
I'm just here warning you what they believe.
jordan holmes
He does follow that up usually with, now, it's obviously true.
dan friesen
Well, yeah, but just to be totally clear here, Alex is expressing that he literally believes he's fighting the biblical devil.
alex jones
There we go.
And at the end of the day, they want to get everybody because, again, they make some of the elite white people think, oh, you're going to be part of the club.
No.
Now they admit it's a post-human world.
Whatever this is running things, and I believe the Bible, it's the devil, does not want any humans.
The Bible tells us the devil comes to destroy God's creation.
dan friesen
So Alex believes he's fighting the Christian, biblical, literal devil.
jordan holmes
Question.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
For Alex's theology.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
jordan holmes
All right.
So the devil...
Wants to destroy all humans.
Okay, what happens to their souls?
Do they still get heaven and hellified?
Or is he going for all the souls in heaven and hell too?
dan friesen
That's a great question.
jordan holmes
And if so, how is he going to pull that one off?
Finally, should he succeed in killing all the humans?
Then what?
dan friesen
Or, let's go another direction.
Let's say Alex is successful in vanquishing the devil.
jordan holmes
Okay.
What does he do?
Who takes over stewardship of hell?
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
All those people are just hanging out?
dan friesen
That's gonna be chaos.
jordan holmes
That's gonna be...
Yeah, that's really gonna fuck up the infrastructure of hell currently.
dan friesen
Right.
And then how does that reshape theology for the future?
jordan holmes
Doesn't it?
dan friesen
It's like, okay, so we...
jordan holmes
You have to rewrite the entire Bible.
dan friesen
There needs to be a new Bible.
jordan holmes
There has to be an entirely new Bible.
dan friesen
A lot of it is probably gonna be based on stuff from our show.
jordan holmes
It seems like it.
dan friesen
The animals of Alex Jones.
*laughter * You have the Old Testament, you have the New Testament, and the Jones Testament.
jordan holmes
Yeah, because it nullifies almost all of the prophecies.
Like, the Revelations is...
You don't even talk about God defeating the devil or a thousand years of Jesus' reign.
It's just more like Alex did it.
That's the end of Revelations is, hey man, it was a good thing God gave us Alex fucking Jones.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure.
dan friesen
The last verse of the Bible is...
unidentified
I'm not bragging, but we did it, guys.
jordan holmes
Just one mission.
No Bible at all.
Just a mission accomplished banner.
That's it.
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't really quite understand what...
I don't know.
I just think it's really important to recognize that whenever he says stuff like, I'm not saying that I believe this stuff.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
They believe.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
That's him trying to hold on to some thread of respectability and credibility with people who would call him...
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
He's like, I'm fighting the devil.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's tough.
dan friesen
Everybody needs to recognize that.
jordan holmes
That's really tough.
You need to recognize, he thinks it's the devil!
I know.
It is a little bit like how they, all the articles about Roger Stone are always conspicuously like, he was a lobbyist and he was close to Trump's inner circle and they never mention that he hosted a show on InfoWars for two years.
dan friesen
That is a news outlet whose editorial position is staunchly anti-devil.
unidentified
Yes, 100% anti-communist.
jordan holmes
Antidevil.
Roger Stone absolutely, I guarantee, said that the basic problem is the devil.
dan friesen
Probably.
I don't know if he ever believed it.
jordan holmes
I doubt it.
I don't know if he believes anything.
dan friesen
I think that it would be interesting to have that be what the public conversation is.
It's not like he's a free speech crusader.
He's not a Trump fan.
He's a guy who thinks he's fighting the devil.
Totally.
And he's also super racist.
But there are interesting things that he tries to get.
He's taken some calls here on the show.
And he has this conversation that he has with a caller about taking these racist feelings you have and then redirecting them at the globalists.
jordan holmes
That's nice.
dan friesen
No.
unidentified
2024, really a massive political expression is needed.
alex jones
Well, everything the enemy does is divide us.
And look, I'm tribal.
I got red blood.
Don't you think I see all this and get mad at groups?
Then I go, that's my animal side.
I had that programming to survive in the old times against a group attacking me, but the enemy is using that against us.
And we have to still defend ourselves against groups or whatever, but we have to be aware of the larger plan.
That's the only way to defeat this.
This is an alien attack.
I don't go off UFOs or any of that.
I mean, it's alien.
The whole thing is rewrite humans, bring in world government.
jordan holmes
Also, UFOs are real.
alex jones
They're going to kill everybody.
jordan holmes
UFOs are real.
alex jones
Well, I don't care if they were just killing the Africans.
I'm against it.
But the truth is, they're killing everybody.
Does that make sense?
dan friesen
Not totally.
But the point that he's trying to make is essentially that he has this old-timey racist programming that's inside him.
And you've got to take that and direct it towards the globalists.
And it's like, well...
No, you should rise above it.
jordan holmes
At no point in time does he...
dan friesen
Wrestle with those feelings as opposed to just hate someone else.
jordan holmes
It has to be evolution itself that makes him racist.
It can't possibly be cultural.
dan friesen
I actually don't think that he was talking about, like, caveman days.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Where it's like a group...
I think he was talking about, like, when he was in high school.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Because he constantly talks about how black people would beat him up in high school.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
He talks about that all the time.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
I think he's talking about youth.
jordan holmes
What an asshole.
I think it's so ironic now with all the reports that we have from very credible sources and the government releasing shit that it's like Yes, of course.
dan friesen
You know, let's get some more, let's make those IFOs.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure, sure, sure.
I see what you said.
dan friesen
So Alex takes another call, and this guy, he seems to be worried that the FBI is following his social media.
And Alex's response to it is a little bit weird.
unidentified
Hey, Alex.
So I just want to preface this message with what Paul said in First Colossians, because it's kind of scary.
What am I going to say?
He said that the powers of darkness were defeated on the cross, and that is our only hope right now.
Look, um...
I had the FBI show up at my house.
I have a TikTok account and Snapchat, and I basically preach the gospel on there, and I went into the vaccine.
I'm kind of nervous on this phone call, to be honest with you, because...
alex jones
It's okay.
So the FBI's run by the Chinese now, and it's run by the globals.
They're told just to come out and intimidate you.
There's nothing to be afraid of.
jordan holmes
That does relax me.
dan friesen
That's okay.
jordan holmes
That's a wildly...
Oh, man.
I'm so relaxed.
You know what?
I was worried about the FBI, but that was the American government's FBI.
Now that I know they're controlled by the Chinese, and the Chinese just tell them to go rough people up a little bit.
dan friesen
I don't know what to believe about this caller.
He sounds a little skittish and a little weird.
jordan holmes
A little bit.
dan friesen
I don't believe that the FBI...
I don't know if I believe the FBI showed up at his house.
If they did, I believe that he's posting more on that account than he's letting off.
jordan holmes
It does sound like maybe the FBI wouldn't just walk around at the behest of the Chinese government to scare him a little bit because of his TikTok.
dan friesen
Whatever the reality or non-reality of this one visit is, I'm guessing there's not going to be a follow-up visit and they're not listening to him call into Alex's show.
jordan holmes
I would say so.
dan friesen
There's some delusional paranoia that's going on here, and Alex is doing a great disservice to his listener by being like, oh, don't worry about it.
It's just the FBI working for the Chinese.
jordan holmes
Come on.
That is the way, like, to deal with delusional paranoia, he's like, we're not going to deal with the delusion whatsoever.
We're going to deal with the paranoia.
I'm going to try and make you calm down.
Of course the delusion is true.
dan friesen
I'm going to make you calm down, but also make it way worse.
Like, whatever you're worried about, so much worse.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Come on, what are you doing?
Oh, you're starving.
A nuclear bomb's coming.
dan friesen
Oh, you're worried about one government?
You're worried about law enforcement?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Guess what?
You've got two governments to worry about.
jordan holmes
Now it's everybody.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Oh, also, and the New World Order.
jordan holmes
And the European government is trying to hire Africans to kill your entire town.
dan friesen
Yep, and also they're working with the spider leadership and the raptors.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
All run by the literal devil.
Does the devil want to destroy aliens?
dan friesen
Alex hasn't weighed in on that, man.
He doesn't get into UFO stuff.
jordan holmes
I just want to know.
I'm just adding that in there.
dan friesen
Okay, okay.
So, Alex, it's another call, and this guy makes an interesting point, and that is that China isn't communist.
jordan holmes
There is that.
dan friesen
Which is an interesting problem for Alex, because...
He constantly calls them the Tricoms.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And yells about communist China.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there's a problem.
dan friesen
Uh-oh.
unidentified
I read China's not a communist country, nor at all a socialist country, but a primitive, crony, capitalist country economically and a totalitarian dictatorship politically.
alex jones
Now that's it.
China is a giant slave colony of the globalists.
We used to leverage out the whole planet, let them economically through economic warfare take over.
I appreciate your call.
All right, here's what's going to happen.
jordan holmes
Oh, we're not going to...
alex jones
One more 11-minute segment.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
We're not going to bother with that.
We're not going to engage...
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Crony capitalism and totalitarian government, which we absolutely have nothing resembling here.
dan friesen
I'm going to rephrase this in a way that works for me, which is it's a testing ground for the globalists.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And then we'll move on, and I won't have to deal with...
I'm full of shit.
jordan holmes
He might as well just, like, neener, neener, neener, I'm gonna call him communist tomorrow.
Like, that might as well have been his response.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So he gets another call, and this guy has a story from a year ago that blows Alex's mind because it helps him demonize Muslims.
unidentified
Locally in Knoxville, a year ago, April 8th, we had a stabbing.
You can find it on the Internet.
Three pilot, that's a gas station, three pilot employees killed in stabbing attack at Knoxville I-40 truck stop.
alex jones
And, of course, it got no coverage because it was a knife.
unidentified
Well, and yes, and then they had an article on the front page of the local newspaper, a rag, the Knoxville News Sentinel, under the leadership of the editor, Joel Christopher.
I wouldn't wipe my rear end with it.
They gave a...
jordan holmes
You did read it, though.
unidentified
...coverage to the mother of the stabbing stabber, and she said that it was not possible that he could have done what he did.
alex jones
So why are we not hearing about it?
What is the racial makeup?
unidentified
He was of Middle Eastern descent.
alex jones
Bingo!
Yeah, and if a Muslim does it, well, who else wants to stab three women?
I mean, 90% of the time it's going to be a Muslim.
Let's just say it.
I'm not against all Muslims, but give me a break, man.
They got a thing about killing women.
dan friesen
Wow.
jordan holmes
That's wild.
unidentified
Wow.
jordan holmes
That's really wild.
dan friesen
In Altadena, California last week, two people were fatally stabbed on a Zoom call, and I've not heard Alex bring that story up at all.
There's a news story out of Michigan where a 14-year-old girl spent months planning to stab her friend in the woods because she, quote, wanted to see someone die.
We could do this all day, but the point doesn't matter.
Stories are props for Alex, and this is a prop for him to demonize and foment hatred towards Muslims.
I believe this caller is also conflating things.
The claims that I believe were in those articles, they weren't that the guy, he couldn't have been the person at the stabbing.
They were that he couldn't have been involved in a previous stabbing in a town called Millington that initially people thought might have been connected because he definitely wasn't in that other town.
And I think that he's just conflating things about the reporting being like, it couldn't have been him.
jordan holmes
Because why worry about details like that, Dan?
You've got a group of people to smear and hate.
For the rest of your life.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Cool.
dan friesen
So Alex is like, this is exciting.
A year-old story about a stabbing at a gas station.
Hooray!
Let's talk about this forever.
jordan holmes
And the media covered it up by putting it in the front page of the local newspaper.
dan friesen
And covered it up by, like, there's a bunch of stories you can find about it if you want.
Anyway, they decided to talk about it for quite a while.
unidentified
Alex, they went on to have follow-up articles on the front page of the local newspaper rag, and they said that...
The people who stopped him, who killed him, and stopped him from killing people were investigated and cleared of any wrongdoing.
alex jones
Yeah, they had an article at Yale saying, should I be arrested for being at Yale?
Wow, I'm glad you called in and know about this.
We're pulling the articles up now.
to him.
Islamic stabs and kills three women because he hates, you know, she's not free.
And then the media calls him a victim.
Holy mackerel.
Bill, I got a jump, but I'm glad you called.
dan friesen
You can see here how Alex takes little pieces of inaccurate information that a caller has passed along to him, and then he writes his own headlines about them.
He's decided, based on literally nothing, that this person who stabbed people at a pilot station was motivated by his religious beliefs, and because he was so mad about women being free because he's a Muslim.
This is all completely made up and based on nothing other than Alex's intense hatred towards people he sees as different from himself.
Also, this caller is once again fucking up details.
The articles in the paper after the stabbing incident were about whether or not the police were justified in using deadly force against the stabber.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Whatever.
Fucking assholes.
jordan holmes
I'm noticing the length of time we're spending on this call versus the one that was like, the Chinese are a crony capitalist country.
alex jones
Let's move on.
jordan holmes
It does seem like he moved on from that awful quick.
dan friesen
Oh, wait, you got a story about someone who you think is a Muslim stabbing somebody?
unidentified
I mean, considering...
dan friesen
A year ago, this is exciting.
jordan holmes
Considering discovering that information about China, seeing as how China is his main boogeyman, really, that could shake his entire worldview, so he should really spend more time thinking on that, as opposed to this one, which confirms his biases.
dan friesen
Also, I found a C-SPAN symposium that Alex did about 9-11 conspiracy.
In 2006.
And one of his arguments that he makes is that somehow the globalists are working against China.
So in 2006 they were against each other.
jordan holmes
Completely different cosmology of evil at that time.
unidentified
Gotcha.
dan friesen
So, we're done with the 23rd here, and a lot of the show seems to be really intensely anti-immigrant.
It's disgustingly anti-Muslim and boring, just sort of paint-by-numbers nonsense of Alex's bullshit.
And then, you know, the show's just disgusting on the 24th.
Some, like, weird pedophile stuff.
jordan holmes
Jesus.
alex jones
It's all about hurting your children.
And as soon as you figure that out, these are demonic monsters, the sooner we beat them.
They are a cult.
Most of them are pedophiles.
Mid-level Democrats and up are pedophiles.
Remember that.
You don't even get in the club unless you rape children.
dan friesen
So Alex is above the political divide.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
You know, the left-right paradigm is all an allusion to this guy.
jordan holmes
Mm-hmm.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
But all mid-level Democrats and above.
alex jones
Yep.
dan friesen
What is a mid-level Democrat?
jordan holmes
I was wondering the exact same thing.
What's the cutoff point for mid-level?
dan friesen
It's got to be any elected official, right?
jordan holmes
I mean, I don't know.
Would you call a state rep mid-level?
Or like as an alderman in Chicago mid-level?
unidentified
Mayor?
jordan holmes
Mayor?
dan friesen
Small town mayor.
unidentified
Small town...
jordan holmes
Sheriff.
owen shroyer
Constitutional sheriff.
jordan holmes
No, those are high-level patriots.
dan friesen
What about democratic constitutional...
jordan holmes
I don't even know if that exists, yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, I just find this unacceptable and stupid, and I don't have time for it.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
So, we get to an interesting story.
And this is a story about, allegedly, Black Lives Matter kidnapped 100 people.
unidentified
That just...
dan friesen
Okay.
You didn't hear about this?
jordan holmes
Okay.
You didn't hear about this this week?
Hold on one second.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Black Lives Matter as a whole.
dan friesen
Nah, just some people in Rochester.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
A group in Rochester, Black Lives Matter, kidnapped a bunch of people inside a grocery store.
jordan holmes
A hundred people.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And Soros is apparently paying them to do this.
jordan holmes
That sounds true.
alex jones
It's about keeping us shut down, intimidating us.
You ask, why would somebody do something this over the top and this crazy?
They do it because they've been told by Soros to go do it.
They're paid to do it.
And they're seeing how far they can push us.
And guess what?
We keep putting up with it so it's going to get worse.
The article's up on Infowars.com and Newswars.com.
It's also from GatewayPundit.com.
BLM Mob traps 100 customers inside grocery store.
We're shutting stuff down.
S down.
S-H.
You know what?
dan friesen
Down.
alex jones
And they kept him in there for a long time.
dan friesen
According to a reporter for WROC who's on the scene, the entire framing of the story is completely fake and a racist lie being perpetuated by right-wing media to a Black Lives Matter.
jordan holmes
That does sound more likely.
dan friesen
Kayla Green, who was there, said, quote, Wegmans closed doors and customers were kept inside temporarily, but were let out soon after.
Yeah, I was gonna say, every one of these types of protests I've been to have been...
jordan holmes
Sometimes overly incredibly kind.
dan friesen
Protesters were having a memorial demonstration on the anniversary of the day that Rochester police arrested Daniel Prude, which ultimately led to his death.
But instead of discussing any of that reality, Alex just says that Soros is paying to agitate the goodly white people of the country to make them feel bad and stay inside a grocery store or something.
It's all nonsense.
jordan holmes
It is kind of really a good example of that kind of going, you know, that propaganda method of going at your enemy's strength instead of their weakness.
You know, like when he goes after like, why would somebody?
somebody do something so over the top and ridiculous because they wouldn't.
This is too over the top and ridiculous.
Aha.
unidentified
I will just cut past all of that by saying Soros.
jordan holmes
Done.
dan friesen
Now, I will say that this next clip worried me.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
Because it's even more over the top.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
And it also made me think...
jordan holmes
Black Lives Matter climbed Mount Everest and blew it up!
dan friesen
No, he starts acting like they committed criminal kidnapping.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
Now, let me show you under federal and state law.
This is Title V, Offense Against the Person, Chapter 20. Kidnapping, unlawful restraint, and smuggling of persons.
And that's what O.J. Simpson went to jail for over a decade for.
And these were folks he found out were counterfeiting his stuff, and he was pissed at them.
I might say what he was right, but I kind of get it.
jordan holmes
Are you defending O.J.?
alex jones
Are we defending O.J. now?
dan friesen
It makes me worried he's going to O.J. me.
unidentified
Is that a thing?
jordan holmes
Are we defending O.J.?
Okay.
All right.
dan friesen
So anyway, this Black Lives Matter protest in Rochester kidnapped and wrongly arrested these people.
And hey, man, if Alex was there, he probably would have started swinging.
jordan holmes
We're in an occupied government.
Aren't laws meaningless now?
dan friesen
That was a week ago.
jordan holmes
That was a week ago.
Sorry about that.
dan friesen
It was in service of a completely different conversation.
jordan holmes
Sorry, I forgot.
dan friesen
And it felt really good at the time.
jordan holmes
I forgot that laws are still real.
dan friesen
Yeah.
If Alex was there, he would have started swinging on people, man.
Just started knocking people out left and right.
And then, then, the media, the media would have called it a race war.
alex jones
So they go to a grocery store.
A Wegmans grocery store and trapped an estimated 100 people in.
Some reports are this went on for at least an hour.
You know, what do you got to go home to your kids?
jordan holmes
What was that?
An hour?
alex jones
I'm sorry, and I've got to shoot my mouth off.
But if a couple hundred people came and blocked me inside a grocery store and I had to go somewhere, I can't help it.
I'm going to get violent.
And then it's going to be called a race war.
No, if some white people block me in a grocery store, I'm going to start kicking their ass.
Brown people?
I don't give a damn.
At a certain point, folks, this is out of control.
And if we put up with this, we'll put up with anything.
jordan holmes
See, this is what I'm saying.
I'm not worried about them starting a guerrilla warfare campaign because we're at the level of, like...
I'm not worried about Mark Wahlberg actually stopping 9-11.
Do you understand?
Like, you blustery asshole.
I would punch them.
Like, shut the fuck up.
dan friesen
Yeah, and this formulation, too, of like, because we keep putting up with it.
So the solution is to stop putting up with...
Protest.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Right?
I mean, like, obviously, that's the message that would be being sent.
jordan holmes
We stamp out any and all protests.
dan friesen
We destroy the First Amendment.
Particularly ones that are central to, you know, non-straight, white, Christian, male-related issues.
Stamp out all those protests because they're Soros instigated.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't know.
It doesn't seem great.
jordan holmes
They do understand.
These people do understand.
Actually, never mind.
They don't.
I should end every...
They do understand.
Actually, I'm wrong.
dan friesen
Well, I think the only explanation I could come up with to sort of maintain the dignity of Alex's listeners is they have to just think he's...
Telling the truth.
I can't imagine listening to this having a kernel of skepticism and maintaining any illusion that he knows what he's talking about.
jordan holmes
Dan, he brought it up.
dan friesen
If you covered this story...
And you went and found the pictures of it.
You found the explanation for what was going on at this Wegmans and how Alex is, for some reason, imagining people would call it a race war if he started fighting his way out of the store.
You'd have to just be like, okay, this is about you, man.
This isn't about reality.
This isn't about the story.
You're projecting everything.
jordan holmes
All of those paper articles are written directly by Soros.
Did you know that 98% of all newspaper articles in the mainstream media...
We're written directly by George Soros.
dan friesen
Yep, I read that in one of the 2% that isn't.
So, I don't think that this is true.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
But this is being praised on Facebook and Twitter as a good thing.
They just go randomly to a grocery store, and there's black people, white people, you name it, inside, and block everybody in and start screaming at people.
And they surrounded the whole building and the emergency exits and wouldn't let people out.
And look, I'm a man, so I'm still pretty tough at 47. I'd still be intimidated and angry by this.
Imagine being a woman.
Imagine being an old person.
Imagine being some 80-year-old woman on her walker trying to get some food.
This is thug behavior, it's criminal, and it's disgusting.
And the police need to stop kissing the ass of these type of globalist thugs and need to start arresting them for racketeering.
unidentified
What?
dan friesen
Anyway, I'm not sure there's enough protesters there to surround a building.
Wegmans, they're not usually small stores.
jordan holmes
They're usually fairly big.
dan friesen
And I've seen a bunch of pictures of the gathering.
It was not a giant mob.
Also, in reality, Wegmans closed the door to their store out of fear of the protesters.
So any decisions that Alex wants to complain about should be directed to Wegmans Customer Corporate Office, or whatever the fuck.
jordan holmes
You would think.
dan friesen
The reason the protesters chose this location for their protest is that Wegmans uses uniformed Rochester police officers for security, and their protest was in part calling for the firing of the officers who were involved in the Daniel Prude case.
It all makes total sense.
It's not random.
The reason they showed up there was not random, and...
And Alex is going to pretend that it's random in a very racist way.
alex jones
And let's say what it is.
This is the equivalent of KKK.
This is a bunch of black people and white people.
And I guess it looks like there's some brown people there that are literally angry randomly at random people at a grocery store.
And you see in the video, there's like an hour of it.
The old lady in the walker looks like she's about to have a heart attack.
And then she tries to get out the back and they yell at her.
So, again, and this video is the beginning of it.
Hundreds of people surrounded the grocery store, all these big fat welfare queens, and again, nothing against you if you're fat, but man, all these people bitching about, this country sucks!
You weigh like 400 pounds, man!
You wouldn't last 10 minutes in Africa.
unidentified
Whoa!
dan friesen
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
Weird.
jordan holmes
Wild.
Be a little too clear, Alex.
That's tough to back away from.
alex jones
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's tough to back away from.
dan friesen
That's outrageous.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Whenever Alex is like, I'm not racist, show me the clip.
Well.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
Well, there's one of them.
jordan holmes
Yep!
dan friesen
One of many just on this episode, you flagrant racist.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's pretty much...
That's too explicit.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's too explicit.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's pretty embarrassing.
Yeah.
So yeah, I don't know.
The story's dumb.
Spends quite a bit of time on this Wegmans grocery store story.
And a lot of time talking about how Infowars may be gone soon.
jordan holmes
There's no protest about racial justice that's ever random.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
And not even that, but it's a daily occurrence.
dan friesen
And there's none that Alex will ever deem acceptable.
jordan holmes
Yeah, of course not.
dan friesen
There's no version of it that Alex would ever see as like, oh, this is a productive conversation.
This is something that's bringing attention to an important...
Like, you wouldn't.
It doesn't exist.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It would always be some kind of a Soros agitation in order to create division in society and make white people feel bad.
unidentified
Totally.
dan friesen
And that's what I was kind of talking about at the beginning of this episode, where everything is just kind of boring.
These are just Alex Jones tricks that he's doing.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's retreads.
dan friesen
Yeah, a little bit.
jordan holmes
It's just racism on autopilot, which is fucking boggling.
dan friesen
Yeah, I was a little bit disappointed.
I don't know.
I shouldn't expect anything.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But Infowars might be gone soon, man.
That's why we gotta cherish this while we have it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, this is just like, these people cannot be at all introspective whatsoever if you can have racism on autopilot this explicit, right?
Like, at no point in time does he ever, like, sit down and go, did what I say...
Come off as super racist.
dan friesen
Well, it's interesting to me to imagine a listener who's hearing particularly that last clip, and he's talking about these welfare queens of 400 pounds.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And hearing that, it would be like, ooh.
That's weird.
But maybe you're somebody who's inundated with shitty right-wing media, and that's just like, hey, that's where we live.
Then being like, why did you say you wouldn't last a day in Africa?
jordan holmes
That's a weird one.
dan friesen
Why was that where you were?
jordan holmes
Adding all of that is just strange.
dan friesen
I can't imagine being a listener and not being like, oh, I get what he's saying.
jordan holmes
He hates black people.
But I mean, if you were a Reagan voter, you can't be mad about welfare queen at this point.
dan friesen
I'm not sure Alex loves Reagan.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, he loves using Reagan's racist talking points.
dan friesen
Sure.
Anyway, InfoWars may be gone soon.
We've been hearing this for quite a while.
jordan holmes
Again!
dan friesen
And I grow weary of it.
jordan holmes
I'm running out of gas.
dan friesen
Now, I probably wouldn't even play this, because he says stuff about him being gone all the time.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
Except, he makes a squid metaphor.
That maybe goes too long.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And I find it interesting.
jordan holmes
I like a good squid metaphor.
alex jones
I'm not going to spend time getting into all the things they do to us.
I'm not going to say the things that they're doing that have an effect, the things that deflect, the things that don't have an effect, because I'm not going to give the enemy any idea of where to keep attacking.
But let me just tell you this.
Do not sit there and expect InfoWars to be here forever.
I've had a lot of classy family that had cancer and was dying, and you just hear that that member of the family's dead.
They were at work one week, totally nice, got their affairs in order.
So manly, so tough, so feminine, so tough that they just die and make no big deal about it and donate their bodies to science and stuff like that.
I'm not as stoic as some of my ancestors.
dan friesen
I'd like to point out that I'm really glad that Alex did make that caveat that that's not me.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I'm not that person who's stoic.
jordan holmes
I'm going to go down whining.
I'm going to...
Renounce God?
I'm going to sell my soul to Satan for one single longer second than I can handle it.
dan friesen
You're going to see me in a pink sweater.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
I will do anything.
alex jones
And I don't have cancer.
But America has cancer, and this operation has a giant globalist squid attached to us gnawing on our face.
And I just let it sit there and gnaw, and I know how far it can go until it gets to our arteries.
I'm laying eggs real fast escape pods, too.
We'll just see how they do getting caught in the whole underwater jet stream here and what they'll grow into and what they'll do.
And I also need to grow a bunch of eggs, to use that analogy, if I'm a fish with a big thing attached to me eating me.
So I need energy to be able to make sure that all those things that we're ensuring in the future continue on because that's the main mission.
And I've looked at all the different possible future scenarios and...
The globalists are so off the chart and so crazy now.
There's a good chance that they'll go ahead and just kill me.
At a certain level, I kind of look forward to that because in the great burden, atmospheres of pressure that I have to carry out this mission will be gone.
dan friesen
Didn't he just say when he got back from his last weird vacation to Florida that all the weight had been lifted from him and he'd completed his mission?
unidentified
Now he's like, oh, I wish I was dead so all this pressure would be off me.
jordan holmes
I had a good week where the burden wasn't there and now it's back and I really wish the globalists would just fucking kill me.
dan friesen
Certainly had nothing to do with going to Connecticut.
jordan holmes
Yep, yep.
Nothing in Connecticut made me feel like I want to die and that InfoWars won't be around forever.
Nothing in Connecticut would ever give me the impression that InfoWars may be going out of business.
dan friesen
I have to think that the metaphor here, the squid, I mean it's a clunky metaphor, but the squid that's attached to InfoWars is the Sandy Hook lawsuit.
He knows how far they can nibble before it hits the carotid.
That would be once his finances become public or they get discovery on a lot of this stuff.
jordan holmes
People realize what kind of shit He's really into.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Then he fell apart with the I'm laying eggs.
Because that could either be like I'm trying to give money to other organizations or I'm hiding money in my dad's business.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that would make the most sense.
dan friesen
I don't know.
But anyway, he's got some more.
alex jones
I love life.
I'll never commit suicide.
If I die, it wasn't suicide.
I'm just saying I literally have no more fear.
I've been through this so long.
I've done so much that I don't fear death.
I don't fear anything.
I may lose my whole family.
I may lose my children.
I mean, hell, the whole world's about to go.
I mean, at this point, all that matters is our souls.
But you've got from me a total commitment.
As strong as I can be, I will fight.
Does that mean I'm going to go off the rails and act crazy?
Yeah, because I'm burnout, folks.
I'm fried.
When you fight evil like this, at a level like this, this long, You don't just care about them killing you.
You start getting to the point where there's no inhibition anymore.
Does that make sense?
jordan holmes
No.
alex jones
But I give you my word that I will be as focused and hardcore as I can until the very end, but I need financial support.
dan friesen
We know.
Yeah, it's weird.
I would pray that I would have all of my support dry up if I ever get to the point where I speak that maudlin.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
If I ever get that, like, you know, just doing this at the level that I've done it, I'm not afraid to die.
jordan holmes
Dan, Dan, I won't let you go out like that.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Come on, buddy.
dan friesen
I will very much need you to check me if I ever start even getting close to that level of blowhardery.
jordan holmes
We're gonna get on a boat.
I'll take care of you, Godfather style.
It'll be great.
dan friesen
This is embarrassing.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's not good.
dan friesen
So in a way, there's squids out.
jordan holmes
Squids?
I believe he's a fish in the metaphor.
I think that's how far I've gotten with the metaphor.
I think he's a fish being eaten by a squid.
dan friesen
I think he did say that.
jordan holmes
I think he said fish.
dan friesen
Because once he started to say that he was putting out eggs, he realized he had to be something that laid eggs.
jordan holmes
Yeah, the moment he said eggs, I think he thought he was the squid for a second.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And then...
dan friesen
This is the problem with Alex and protracted metaphors.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he's not good at metaphors.
dan friesen
No, it's a dicey game.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, Alex gets some bad news here on the 24th, and that is that the Ninth Circuit has made a ruling.
jordan holmes
That's not good.
alex jones
This is a big deal on the Ninth Circuit.
We'll be tracking that very, very closely.
That's just now breaking, overturning, concealed carry, period.
And this is just, you're like, oh, the Supreme Court will overturn that.
Don't hold your breaths, folks, because we don't put pressure on them.
They don't fear the American people's political action.
jordan holmes
We own them!
alex jones
They fear the mainstream media.
They fear the stacking of the court.
Because nobody calls the bluff of the left.
And so the left is buffaloing us.
Stampeding us.
And it's only going to get more crazy.
Go after him for Fast and Furious.
Get on the offense.
Go after him for the child smuggling across the border.
Do like Ted Cruz does.
But almost everybody else sits there.
jordan holmes
Don't do like Ted Cruz does.
alex jones
Ted Cruz is a jerk.
Doesn't matter.
He's got guts.
Guts is enough, ladies and gentlemen.
Don't forget, we got free shipping on the mega blowout sale.
dan friesen
Oh, boy.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
That was a clunky one.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Yeah, so go after them for Fast and Furious.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that'll do it.
You got them.
dan friesen
Man, it's interesting how he pretends that they didn't have hearings on that.
jordan holmes
Nobody ever calls the left's bluff, you know?
Like, nobody's ever like, we refuse to sit a Supreme Court justice until...
Yeah.
dan friesen
Oh, yeah.
jordan holmes
Nobody's ever been like, oh, we gotta put pressure on the Supreme Court by removing and replacing all of the...
Yeah.
unidentified
Cool.
jordan holmes
Cool, guys.
dan friesen
Also, this Ninth Court ruling, it has said...
If I recall correctly, let me pull up the exact wording of it.
Quote, there is no right to carry arms openly in public, nor is any such right within the scope of the Second Amendment.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's what the U.S. Court Judge Jay Bybee said.
jordan holmes
I would be hard-pressed to find the wording within the Second Amendment that's like, yeah, and carry them in the Wagners.
dan friesen
No, like, that is, you know, something that I would think that Alex would be like...
It's over.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's the slippery slope.
dan friesen
Right, and he's already said the Supreme Court isn't going to defend this.
jordan holmes
They're not going to help us at all.
dan friesen
Shouldn't this be at the point where now, like his, you know, Viet Cong thing from earlier?
jordan holmes
I don't know.
There aren't any laws anymore anyways, Dan.
The entire government is unconstitutional.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
jordan holmes
All right.
What are we going to do?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Let's take their guns away.
dan friesen
He doesn't really talk about this story as much as you would think, based on the fact that it should be...
jordan holmes
The most important story that's ever happened.
dan friesen
He should go apoplectic.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
He should lose his mind.
jordan holmes
The MIAC report came out and he made such a stink about it for so long.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So he talks to some weirdo who's got like a YouTube show for an hour about like trying to make people afraid of...
Stuff at the border.
And I didn't care.
Because I got a little bit deeper into this next interview.
So I thought it was different and a little bit more interesting.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And so what we have here is that Jim Hoft from Gateway Pundit, his brother, whose name I refuse to learn, is on.
jordan holmes
Jim Hoft's brother.
dan friesen
That's right.
jordan holmes
That is his name.
dan friesen
To me it is.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's on because he's got some news about COVID.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
So I read the article and a lot of new information that just confirmed a lot of the older information.
It's a breaking exclusive, thegatewaypundit.com, location of origin of COVID-19 pandemic, identified between two of China's biological warfare facilities in Wuhan.
dan friesen
So, this is apparently a situation where Jim Hoff's brothers learned that there was a cluster of cases early of COVID-19 in an area that's geographically between the Wuhan Institute of Virology and another lab in Wuhan, and thus...
Put those pieces together, man.
jordan holmes
Wait, it was in between the two?
dan friesen
Yeah, it was geographically in between the two.
jordan holmes
Like, on the street?
dan friesen
Yeah, it was on the street.
It was in a neighborhood.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
See, what happened was, obviously, people were going back and forth between those labs.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And they were coughing on people.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
He's proved it.
jordan holmes
So the place they stopped for gas is where the COVID outbreak started.
dan friesen
He's solved this case.
I gotta say, I gotta give it up to Jim Hoff's brother.
jordan holmes
Jim Hoff's brother really Agatha Christie'd this one to completion.
dan friesen
I read the article on Gateway Pondit.
Initially, I was just gonna dismiss this and be like, oh, fuck yourself, Jim Hoff's brother.
But there's actually a really interesting piece in here that...
Just demonstrates how these people do their dirty work.
jordan holmes
Well, congratulations, Jim Hoff's brother!
joe hoft
That area that's really, really dark, where it signifies the most cases, is between a couple biological warfare facilities.
dan friesen
Editorializing there a little bit.
jordan holmes
Maybe.
dan friesen
He's describing a map where there is shaded clusters of where there were early instances of COVID.
unidentified
One is the entity that we've talked about for a long time.
We started reporting on this at Wuhan Institute of Virology back in April last year, where it looked like, yeah, this is what's going on.
Something was released from there.
joe hoft
And then near that is another entity that's labeled the Biological Preparations Institute, BPI.
unidentified
It's the yellow square on that map.
Between these two facilities is where they're saying the initial cases, the large number of initial cases were first identified.
jordan holmes
How far away?
unidentified
I guess more evidence that this thing wasn't just something that was natural that occurred in the food market, that red dot.
No, the large number of cases comes between the black star there and the yellow box.
dan friesen
So I've got some issues with this map.
Actually, I found this very fascinating.
jordan holmes
Is it the way that he's got a black box, a yellow square, and a red dot?
dan friesen
No, I mean, like, you gotta have whatever as markers on a map, but I'm fine with that.
My first issue is that there are four additional clusters of early cases that are nowhere near either lab, and at least ten other reported infectors also outside the area that Jim Hoft's brother is focusing on.
In theory, it would be just as easy to argue that someone got infected in one of those other clusters and brought the condition back to the neighborhood that Hoft is focusing on from the information that he's providing.
There's literally no way...
That he could prove otherwise.
jordan holmes
You know, you bring in multiple points of fact that would undermine his argument, but on the other hand, have you considered, don't worry about it?
dan friesen
No.
I have not considered that.
So the second major issue I have here is that the map is taken from a study in the International Journal of Geoinformation, and it has to do with geographic data from a medical help-seeking app called Weibo.
The data isn't meant to be used in the way that Jim's brother is using it.
It's misused data.
jordan holmes
Only on one app.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's tracking the people who reached out for help through this app.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
Which I think there's value to, obviously, as data points, but it's not for this.
The third problem is that the map they're publishing on Gateway Pundit isn't the map from that journal article, or at least it isn't the only one.
The map that's closest to theirs is the one that depicts Weibo help seekers prior to January 18th, 2020.
Gateway Pundit doesn't include the subsequent maps depicting Weibo seekers from January 19th to 20th, which shows the distribution going way towards the areas nowhere near the labs that they're focusing on, nor do they even bring up the map from January 21st to 22nd, which shows more of the same, shifting away from that hotspot that he was decided to cherry-pick data.
And just make his argument with.
jordan holmes
Okay, so then in this case, here's what I've got for you.
Okay, so some dudes shuffling dangerous COVID back from lab to lab.
They stop at a gas station, accidentally drop a vial, right?
It explodes.
That causes problems.
But that's a small outbreak.
It's just one vial.
So then they go to the other places, and that's where the big vials are tossed out of the car.
dan friesen
It's an interesting plot for a book or something, but I don't think this supports it.
jordan holmes
I've written it down.
dan friesen
So my final problem is that according to Google Maps, Jim Hoff's brother has mislabeled the map he published.
It appears that that yellow square that he's talking about to signify the Biological Preparations Institute?
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
That's actually the Biological Preparations Institute Marketing Center.
unidentified
Ha ha ha ha!
Ha ha ha ha!
Ha ha ha ha ha!
jordan holmes
Yeah, naturally.
dan friesen
The actual Wuhan Biological Preparations Institute is about 25 kilometers south of where they have it marked on the map.
And if you actually use the correct location, there are no clusters right near it.
jordan holmes
I swear to God.
I swear to God.
I want to throw baseballs at these people.
dan friesen
It's amazing.
jordan holmes
Really hard.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And, you know, it took a little while of looking at the map and asking myself questions about, like, what is this entity exactly?
Like, is this what they're saying it is?
And, you know, it took a little while to unravel, but this is, like, pretty basic stuff that they didn't even consider, or they did consider and decided to lie about in service of making their argument.
jordan holmes
This is that one situation.
What's the name of those places where there's the Institute and the...
University or whatever, and they keep mixing them up.
dan friesen
The Tavistock Institute?
jordan holmes
Yes, the Tavistock Institute.
Yeah, it's the same thing where they just keep mixing up the dumb stuff and they're like, nobody's ever going to follow up on this except for Dan.
dan friesen
But I also, I would fully think...
That it's a very good chance that they just didn't even check.
That's what I'm saying.
jordan holmes
They don't even bother.
Why would they?
Again, no one's going to follow up on this except Dan.
dan friesen
It's so sloppy and embarrassing that this is like Gateway Pundit's editorial.
That's what's good enough to be put out as an exclusive.
And then come on Alex's show and ramble about it.
Like, even problems that I was able to find with the way they were using that map from the journal itself to what they were doing.
Even if they did have the right location, there were problems.
And the fact that that is a different location than they're pretending it is makes it just comical.
jordan holmes
It's a farce.
That's stupid.
dan friesen
Yeah, so anyway, at that point I checked out.
jordan holmes
You're like the Sigma-5 of propaganda.
Like, you know how Sigma-5 scientists are like, there's a one in a million chance that we're not 100% correct on this.
You know, Sigma-3 is like one in a thousand or whatever.
There's a point in propaganda where it's like, well...
Only Dan's going to care about this, so we're fine.
dan friesen
And he might not if he doesn't accidentally get curious about it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
If we fly this one by Dan, we're golden.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
We can just make this boring enough.
I know.
Have Jim Hoff's brother talk about it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, Sigma-4 is Dan and some other people.
Sigma-3 is Dan and, like, the New York Times.
dan friesen
I don't know, man.
I unfortunately spent a little bit of time looking at that, and it kind of burned me out a tiny bit.
Between the, like, sort of...
Just very constant and boring racism and immigrant bashing.
And then, you know, that, I was just like, I'm out.
I'm out.
And unfortunately, that made me miss Roger Stone.
He showed up in the fourth hour of the show.
I don't usually watch the fourth hour.
I completely missed it.
Maybe we'll get it next week.
Who knows?
Probably not.
Roger Stone's boring.
jordan holmes
He sucks.
He's boring now.
He doesn't do anything.
dan friesen
I think ever since he got that pardon, he's just not the same.
Just not the same, man.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, you know, I get it.
Right?
Like, you've got all the adrenaline of like, am I gonna go to jail?
Am I gonna go to jail?
And then you get a pardon and you're like, well, now what do I do?
dan friesen
It feels like the definition of once bitten, twice shy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm not gonna fuck around with needing a pardon again because I don't got a pardon coming for the second one.
dan friesen
I will try and get attention to myself as best I can and maybe do some publicity stunt things.
jordan holmes
I need some money from people.
unidentified
I'll be a shithead.
jordan holmes
That'll be fine.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'll have a good bone mow from time to time.
dan friesen
Sure.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I'll yell at Larry Clayman if I get a chance.
jordan holmes
Not hard.
Not hard to do.
dan friesen
So yeah, I don't know.
I found this stretch...
When I said at the beginning of the show, I was like, is there even value in talking about it?
Part of the reason is because I don't think a lot of it brings much new to the table.
jordan holmes
True.
dan friesen
I think with Jim Hoff's brother and talking about some of the specific instances of things he brings up, maybe there's a little bit.
But his coverage of...
For instance, the shooting is all in service of anti-Muslim rhetoric.
It's all in service of anti-immigrant.
There's nothing there that you don't see in the aftermath of so many other tragic events if you look at Alex's coverage.
And it kind of...
I don't know.
It makes me sad that you can just still get away with the same tricks.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it is one of those things where sometimes we do an episode that I want in court as like, this isn't a First Amendment issue.
This is malice.
We can prove malice.
I think about a thousand hours of knowledge fight at this point.
So strap in.
But you'll get there and we'll get the conviction on this one.
We'll get it!
dan friesen
Anyway, Jordan, we'll be back.
jordan holmes
Indeed we will, Dan.
dan friesen
But until then, we have a website.
jordan holmes
We have a website.
It's KnowledgeFight.com.
dan friesen
Yes, we're also on Twitter.
jordan holmes
We are on Twitter.
It's at KnowledgeFight and I go to bed Jordan.
dan friesen
We are also on Facebook.
jordan holmes
We are on Facebook.
And if you could, please find a local charity or bail fund in your area to help out people doing God's work still.
dan friesen
Yep, we'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo, I'm Leo, I'm DZX, Clark, I'm Daryl Rundis.
I pledge on the altar of God to try to force Alex Jones to eat fake fruit.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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