Today, Dan and Jordan check in on how things are going as Alex Jones engages in round two of his attempts to talk to Boogaloo types. For good measure, he also lies about vaccines a bit and keeps trying to argue that Trump should make his impeachment trial a circus.
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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys. | |
| Knowledge fight. | ||
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Dan and George. | |
| Knowledge fight. | ||
| I need money. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Stop it. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| It's time to pray. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| You're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first time caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your room. | ||
| Knowledge fight. | ||
| Knowledgefight.com. | ||
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I love you. | |
| Hey everybody! | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan. | ||
| Or a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex. | ||
| This is what happens when we record in the morning. | ||
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Hey, Dan! | |
| Hey, Jordan. | ||
| Dan, I have a quick question for you. | ||
| What's up? | ||
| What's your bright spot this morning? | ||
| Well, this morning, my bright spot, Jordan, is we're recording this, you know, and it's delayed, and I appreciate everybody's understanding the weather in Chicago was such that recording last night would have been a disaster. | ||
| Unnecessary risk in terms of transportation. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And my bright spot, I guess, is that because of that little scheduling mix-up, shake-up, I was able to watch a little bit of the Royal Rumble last night. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| And so I got to... | ||
| I love a Royal Rumble. | ||
| We know this. | ||
| Royal Rumble's the one where 30 people run in every five minutes or whatever. | ||
| I think it's every two minutes or two or three minutes, but the time is fake. | ||
| It's all fake. | ||
| Who is the person this time who ran in and within less than five seconds is gone? | ||
| I don't know if it was less than five seconds, but the sort of joke elimination person was... | ||
| There's always one, right? | ||
| The Hurricane. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| A guy named The Hurricane was tossed out quickly? | ||
| Well, it's not Reuben Carter. | ||
| There's a guy named Hurricane, and yeah, he's a sort of goof character who is a superhero. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And yeah, he got eliminated pretty fast. | ||
| That'll happen. | ||
| But yeah, I love a Royal Rumble. | ||
| I do enjoy the pace of it. | ||
| I like the idea of people just keep coming. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Theme songs kicking, which is one of my favorite things. | ||
| Just nonstop, yeah. | ||
| There's exciting returns and, you know, there's a lot of potential for good storytelling in that structure. | ||
| And, yeah, so I enjoyed it. | ||
| Excellent. | ||
| A lot of people are probably asking if I have thoughts about it. | ||
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I don't. | |
| I don't have thoughts about it. | ||
| It just was. | ||
| Hurricane was my favorite character. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So yeah, it was fun, though. | ||
| It was nice. | ||
| Good. | ||
| How about you? | ||
| What's your bright spot? | ||
| My bright spot, Dan, is a movie called PG colon Psycho Gorman. | ||
| And it is... | ||
| You guys listening cannot tell that Jordan just leaned in very hard. | ||
| Serious. | ||
| This is a serious... | ||
| It's one of those movies that was made by just somebody for 50 bucks or whatever. | ||
| And it is a live-action cartoon that is very occasionally incredibly funny in a dry, deadpan way. | ||
| And also incredibly terrible. | ||
| But it's one of those movies that I'm not going to recommend anybody. | ||
| But I'm so happy it exists. | ||
| What year are we talking about? | ||
| Now. | ||
| Whoa. | ||
| Immediately. | ||
| So this is recent? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| And it's just wild and out there, and it's one of those things where you're just happy that something like that is real. | ||
| You know, if it didn't exist, I've thought about willing something like that into existence before. | ||
| Do you think that this has a possibility of becoming a cult classic? | ||
| I do not. | ||
| It's not actually... | ||
| Aggressive head shaking. | ||
| It's not good, and people aren't going to watch it or enjoy it, but it's there, man. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| High praise. | ||
| It's important to be there. | ||
| It's important for it to exist. | ||
| I don't know how to describe something more aptly than that. | ||
| I feel like I understand exactly what you're talking about, and I have no idea what this thing is. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| So, Jordan, today we've got an episode to go over. | ||
| We're going to be talking about the time span between January 28th and 31st, 2021, Blackjack. | ||
| Oh, damn it! | ||
| I was actually... | ||
| My plan on the way here, I was like, when he starts, I'm gonna go... | ||
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And then when you're done, I'll go... | |
| Backfired. | ||
| Failed miserably. | ||
| We're not actually going to be talking about the 29th on Friday because that was a travel day for Alex coming back from Utah vacation. | ||
| We're also not going to be talking about the 30th because that was Saturday. | ||
| Although I do have a little bit of something to say. | ||
| Alex did a special report with Stuart Rhodes of the Oath Keepers in studio. | ||
| Where they did running commentary over a documentary about the lockdown or something. | ||
| I was watching it and I was thinking, like, maybe we'll cover this. | ||
| But it's just the two of them having kind of a casual conversation about secession. | ||
| Great. | ||
| It's not really... | ||
| Beyond just saying that they did that and that Stuart Rhodes is standing by... | ||
| The Oath Keepers who got arrested. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Storming the Capitol. | ||
| That's all they really need to know. | ||
| I imagine he wakes up every morning and he's like, hey, they didn't get me yet. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| That's his life now. | ||
| Oh, the other thing that was worth pointing out is that Stuart Rhodes was saying that what you should do is throw a big rave. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And then when the police come to shut it down, shoot at him. | ||
| Basically was his... | ||
| Because they're encroaching on your right to live freely, and then, you know, start it off. | ||
| So here's what we do. | ||
| We set a trap for the law. | ||
| That's basically his version of, like, civil disobedience, is that do something that will attract the police, and when they try to arrest you... | ||
| Start fighting. | ||
| Okay, so here's what we do. | ||
| We hold a big rave, but before that, we dig some trenches right outside the wave, and then put some wooden spikes in there, and then cover it with leaves, and when the cops come, they'll all fall and impale themselves. | ||
| It's a pretty good plan. | ||
| Now, Stuart, I like your plan. | ||
| Have you considered quicksand? | ||
| Instead of... | ||
| Spikes. | ||
| I find that quicksand works better. | ||
| Destroys the evidence. | ||
| Derek actually came up with a moat, but it's just too much. | ||
| I love moats. | ||
| Now, have you considered this? | ||
| I know a guy who likes to hoist safes. | ||
| Get a pulley system going, have a safe hanging way up in the air. | ||
| I'm liking it. | ||
| Sometimes people use pianos. | ||
| Sometimes people use pianos. | ||
| I love pianos. | ||
| That is a possibility as well. | ||
| When the cops come, Drop the piano. | ||
| Or safe. | ||
| Also, we need to have two people walking by holding a very pain of glass glass. | ||
| I do like the idea that it just turns into Looney Tunes. | ||
| Yeah, there's a watermelon cart. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The whole thing. | ||
| Someone walks through with a bunch of pies. | ||
| Yeah, it's not a good special report by any means. | ||
| It's not interesting, and it's very long. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And would not be covering it. | ||
| Yay! | ||
| So, Jordan, this episode, we'll get down to business on it, but first, let's take a little moment to say thank you to some folks who signed up and are supporting the show. | ||
| That's a good idea. | ||
| So first, the Boschki. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you! | ||
| Next, Aaron P. Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thanks, Aaron! | ||
| Thank you! | ||
| Next, the Watson Alex had to go full tilt boogie on. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you, the Watson that has to go full-tail boogie on. | ||
| Zach the Axe, thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you, Zach. | ||
| Thank you, Zach. | ||
| And also, someone who donated on an elevated level actually bequeathed their shout-out in a way that I think is really cool, so I'm still going to give them a shout-out. | ||
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Tom? | |
| You're a technocrat. | ||
| Tom? | ||
| But Tom wanted to give a shout-out to chicagobond.org, which is the Chicago Community Bail Fund. | ||
| And I know that we've brought up, you know, like, donate to a local charity bail fund in your area. | ||
| But, you know, that's a specific one here in the city of Chicago. | ||
| Yeah, I donated to that one. | ||
| And it's something that, you know... | ||
| Pointing out a specific may be helpful in terms of recognizing people in your area. | ||
| There is an analogous version of this. | ||
| So please, if you feel so inclined, check out the local bail fund in your area. | ||
| Please do. | ||
| And I guess Chicago bail fund. | ||
| You're a technocrat? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Crikey, mate. | ||
| That's fantastic. | ||
| Have yourself a brew. | ||
| How's your 401k doing, bro? | ||
| We gotta go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, alright? | ||
| Let's just get down to business. | ||
| We ain't making that money off that heroin. | ||
| Why are you pimp so good? | ||
| My neck is freakishly large. | ||
| I declare Infowar on you. | ||
| Thank you so much, Tom, and the Chicago Bail Fund. | ||
| Yes, thank you very much to the both of you. | ||
| Community Bail Fund. | ||
| Community Bail Fund. | ||
| And then another thing we should take care of here up top, Jordan, is we've got a couple of wonks out there who are celebrating the rotation around the sun. | ||
| Indeed. | ||
| First, Matthias got in touch with us and wanted us to give a shout-out to Anna, who had a birthday, actually, Sunday, yesterday, as we were recording this. | ||
| We would have recorded it on the day of your birth. | ||
| Yes, so happy birthday either way, Anna. | ||
| Yes, absolutely. | ||
| Hope you have a better 2021 than 2020, Blackjack. | ||
| Agreed. | ||
| Don't you dare. | ||
| Don't you dare fucking Kevin Nealon me with your subliminal blackjacks. | ||
| And then Maria reached out and wanted us to wish a happy birthday to Eric. | ||
| And that's Eric with an A. His birthday is actually tomorrow, February 2nd. | ||
| And I gotta say, Eric, if you're listening, get to fucking work on your thesis. | ||
| Get to work on your history thesis. | ||
| You've been slacking off too long. | ||
| Yeah, what are we going to be positive? | ||
| Get to fucking work! | ||
| I like that Maria asked that we wish him luck. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And instead, I've decided to scold. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Get that thesis done. | ||
| That's how we do it. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Also, good luck on that thesis. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| Happy birthday to you and also to Anna and everybody else who's celebrating a birthday here in 21. Absolutely. | ||
| There's one... | ||
| God damn it, Dan. | ||
| There's one birthday wish from David O'Doherty who says that every song should have a recognition of death as well. | ||
| And his song for Happy Birthday is Happy Birthday to You! | ||
| Happy Birthday to You! | ||
| Did you know that the rate of prostate cancer in men over the age of 85 is 100%? | ||
| So there you go. | ||
| Happy Birthday. | ||
| What a downer. | ||
| Anyway, here's an out of context drop from today's show. | ||
| Burn in hell! | ||
| Oh, Frederick Nietzsche and Joe Biden and the rest of you Satanists. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Nietzsche and Biden. | ||
| Quite a grouping. | ||
| That's a list of the two luminaries of philosophical thought, I think. | ||
| When I think of Nietzsche, I think of Biden. | ||
| When I think of Biden, I think of Nietzsche. | ||
| Of course, yeah. | ||
| What is Biden but the Ubermensch? | ||
| Indeed. | ||
| So here we start on the 28th. | ||
| Alex has kind of figured out at this point that, oh boy, some Oath Keepers got arrested because they stormed the Capitol. | ||
| I gotta figure out how this works. | ||
| Not Proud Boys, not Boogaloos. | ||
| We're straight up Oath Keepers. | ||
| And with a lot of these other groups, he's sort of been able to figure out how to thread the needle. | ||
| With QAnon, it's like, okay, yeah, it was all a setup. | ||
| With the Proud Boys, ah, Enrique Tarrio. | ||
| He is a fed. | ||
| Totally, totally. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Easy stuff. | ||
| Yeah, with Antifa, obviously, I hate them already. | ||
| They don't even need to exist for me to hate them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oath Keepers are a little bit more difficult because Alex is longtime friends with Stuart Rhodes. | ||
| He's been a huge promoter of them. | ||
| And so he kind of has got to be like, hey, somebody infiltrated them. | ||
| The Oath Keepers have had three of their group indicted for going into the Capitol. | ||
| And, of course, they have informants of people claiming that they were training months before. | ||
| There was some type of Capitol incursion. | ||
| Who knows if any of that's true? | ||
| But the point is that they are sending infiltrators into every major organization. | ||
| Yeah, who knows? | ||
| Could be anybody. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Great. | ||
| We're always infiltrating somebody. | ||
| Strong take. | ||
| So I was kind of confused when I launched into this episode, because the day before this, Alex had interviewed the Boogaloo boy, Mike Dunn. | ||
| And as I was listening back when I was editing the episode, I realized that we missed a real... | ||
| Great opportunity for a Mike Dunn, Mike Down pun. | ||
| Did we miss a great opportunity or did we just miss an okay opportunity? | ||
| Yeah, it might have just been okay, but it was there on the table and we missed it. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| Alex had been humiliated and browbeaten by this guy. | ||
| I was like, okay, I know that he's going to interview another Boogaloo dude on this January 28th episode. | ||
| It's like, okay, let's get to it. | ||
| And he does not get to it. | ||
| Instead, this kind of seems to be where his head's at. | ||
| And for me, let me just lay out what I think is biggest and first and foremost. | ||
| Trump, if he gets off the defense, could be the president of the world, as Chris Reddy said in a very important interview that's gone viral last night. | ||
| We should grab that Chris Reddy interview. | ||
| It's on Newsmax. | ||
| It's got about a million views as of this morning when I watch it at 5 a.m. | ||
| And he says, Trump can now be president of the world. | ||
| That's actually a true statement. | ||
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What the fuck are you talking about? | |
| Okay, so if I understand correctly, Trump can become president of the world because of his power and popularity. | ||
| So Xi Jinping is just gonna be like, hey man, you're just gotta be the president of the world. | ||
| You got it. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. | ||
| They're all gonna jump on board. | ||
| No, no, I get it. | ||
| Listen, I'm aggressively against your policies and I think you're... | ||
| We're a toxic influence, but... | ||
| Is he the president of Burma now? | ||
| Is that how this goes? | ||
| Myanmar. | ||
| I know. | ||
| Whenever it's taken over by a junta... | ||
| You make an interesting point. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I would say that, first of all, president of the world doesn't exist. | ||
| Fair. | ||
| President of the world being a position implies world government. | ||
| I would say that would be him being a globalist. | ||
| If anyone could be a globalist, it would be president of the world. | ||
| I don't want, like, Obama to be the president of the world. | ||
| I don't want Hillary to be the president of the world. | ||
| Absolutely not. | ||
| But I do remember a lot of time spent on Infowars where Alex was talking about how Hillary was going to be the president. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And then Bill was going to become the secretary general of the UN. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And then they would be together the president of the world. | ||
| You got it. | ||
| And this was evil. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Now Alex is, I guess, excited about Trump being the president of the world, which, again, doesn't exist. | ||
| No. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| Very dumb. | ||
| Is he going to get the whole world on board? | ||
| What is he going to do with the holdouts? | ||
| I guess conquer them. | ||
| Yeah, he would have to, right? | ||
| There's a lot of stuff that goes unspoken. | ||
| I'll tell you, if there's one thing I know about Eritrea, they're not backing down. | ||
| Switzerland, going to try to stay neutral. | ||
| High-minded concerns, Trump, and the possibility of being the president of the world. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Certainly very serious. | ||
| Also, Alex is a little bit petty. | ||
| I'm told by sources close to Biden that he has to read a teleprompter speech up to five times before he can give one that's half-decent, like he gave that very short, shortest really ever inaugural speech I've heard of. | ||
| I mean, Trump's was over an hour long. | ||
| Biden's was less than ten minutes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that's because he had to rehearse that at least five times. | ||
| When he's not rehearsed, he doesn't know what planet he is on. | ||
| Is it possible that Trump's was too long? | ||
| Why is preparation the worst thing a human can do in Alex's world? | ||
| Yeah, that is so bizarre. | ||
| Like, yeah, oh, he took it seriously. | ||
| Hey, you know what? | ||
| I'm gonna go crazy on Alex. | ||
| Let me tell you this. | ||
| I've got maybe 45 minutes of material. | ||
| It took me 10 years to write that. | ||
| And I practiced it way more than five times. | ||
| Yeah, one of the things about performance... | ||
| Is oftentimes you prepare to appear unprepared. | ||
| Yes! | ||
| To feel natural! | ||
| Yes! | ||
| I don't understand. | ||
| You have to say something a million times to make it sound like you're saying it the first time. | ||
| There's a very big difference between somebody who is... | ||
| Desperately unprepared and off-the-cuff. | ||
| And somebody who is able to do things off-the-cuff. | ||
| I don't... | ||
| This particular instance, too, is very bizarre to me. | ||
| Because it's the inauguration speech. | ||
| That's probably one of the most important, biggest sort of... | ||
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Highest respect speeches. | |
| It's kind of a big deal. | ||
| That you're going to give, especially in the early times of your presidency. | ||
| You're going to set the course, maybe give a thesis for what you want to achieve in your time in office. | ||
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Sure. | |
| Set the tone. | ||
| I don't want somebody just being like, ah, fuck it, I'm going to rant. | ||
| I think that what Alex is saying is a bad thing about Biden is actually a really good thing. | ||
| I would argue that someone who gives a 10-minute speech over someone who gives an hour speech is always better. | ||
| And maybe the preparation allowed him to parse it down to 10 minutes. | ||
| Maybe trim the fat. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Editing is about getting rid of stuff. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So now that Alex knows that the Oath Keepers were there and arrested, and that's going to be tough. | ||
| Infiltrators. | ||
| Well, maybe. | ||
| We'll see how Stuart feels about that. | ||
| Alex has got to kind of adjust the narrative a little bit. | ||
| And what I think is really funny about this is that Alex has to keep changing the narrative whenever new groups of right-wing people are proven to have been there and arrested. | ||
| There's an issue there. | ||
| So here's the newest version. | ||
| If we just don't let them use this Capitol event, that they clearly infiltrated Patriot groups, they used Antifa to lead the chance, they got two or three people from each large Patriot group, Boogaloos, Quasi-Patriot. | ||
| Owen Troyer. | ||
| Overall, it's being controlled. | ||
| The Oath Keepers have been a great organization. | ||
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I seem to remember, fuck BLM being shouted by Owen Troyer. | |
| Led by Stuart Rhodes. | ||
| And then, of course, you've got the Proud Boys that... | ||
| I think they're good people overall, but it's perfect to be set up and infiltrated. | ||
| And I've reviewed all the footage. | ||
| There were Boogaloos, there were Proud Boys, and there were three Oath Keepers out of an organization of tens of thousands. | ||
| It's true, though, that did lead the break-in of the Capitol. | ||
| And I spent hours again last night and this morning, and now that it's all codified, now that it's all come out, I actually got tears in my eyes this morning having to watch a Wall Street Journal report that shows the three Proud Boys being instrumental in breaking into the Capitol. | ||
| And they can say, oh, we showed them and all this stuff. | ||
| They're not all fed. | ||
| Some of them are just useful idiots that got caught up in the mob psychology. | ||
| But we're not going to be like the media and lie about things and just say it was all provocateur, it was all staged, if some of it was people being foolish. | ||
| What he's trying to imply, and he does on this episode, is that the people who are leading the charge, there's a couple people from each group that they had got set up. | ||
| Right. | ||
| To make everyone in those groups look guilty. | ||
| Correct. | ||
| This is complicated. | ||
| So, every single right-wing group was infiltrated and then led to the Capitol to overthrow the government. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Now, let me ask you this question, Dan. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Why was it so easy to lead them to the Capitol? | ||
| Is it maybe because they wanted to do it? | ||
| I mean, obviously, yes, it's not entrapment, even if Alex's complete nonsensical conspiracy is true. | ||
| But also, none of that is true. | ||
| It just did it. | ||
| No, you guys tried and you failed. | ||
| That's it! | ||
| You tried to overthrow a country, but you're not a junta, so you failed! | ||
| The end! | ||
| Yeah, and also, I don't feel like Joe Biggs would like this kind of tone from Alex. | ||
| Because it implies that at best, he's a useful idiot. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| He's calling everybody what... | ||
| This is almost like the revenge of Stevie Peas. | ||
| Like, now you're all useful idiots! | ||
| I'm still the smart one, damn it! | ||
| I'm still standing. | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| Joe Biggs has got a, like... | ||
| I gotta imagine he's gonna have some complicated therapy in prison about his relationship with Alex. | ||
| Because he gets fired from InfoWars because of Pizzagate stuff. | ||
| He leaves. | ||
| He tries to start his own news operation that Alex kind of is associated with, but is like, I don't know, keeping an arm's distance. | ||
| The Proud Boys show up. | ||
| He decides, I'm jumping in both feet. | ||
| Why not? | ||
| He rises through the ranks of the Proud Boys, becomes really high up in the Proud Boys, makes a name for himself in the aggressive, dangerous, right-wing community. | ||
| And then storms the Capitol and goes to prison. | ||
| Wow, it's so crazy that when it becomes convenient, they just cut loose. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Isn't it so weird they don't have that loyalty or anything like that? | ||
| Who would have guessed? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Who could have seen that coming? | ||
| We've seen it happen with all of these groups as Alex learns more and more. | ||
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One by one. | |
| One by one they fall. | ||
| So, someone who is loyal to a fault. | ||
| Someone who is just... | ||
| You know, true as the day is long? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Sure, why not? | ||
| Roger Stone is back. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And he kind of wants to imply that everybody who's into history is a secret leftist. | ||
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Okay. | |
| They want to erase this record in one word. | ||
| Impeachment. | ||
| Nixon, impeachment. | ||
| Trump, impeachment. | ||
| It's not right, and it's not fair, and we know that history is written by the left. | ||
| The historians are leftists. | ||
| Some authors, like Rick Perlstein, pose as historians. | ||
| They're not historians. | ||
| They're propagandists. | ||
| We can't let this happen. | ||
| You see, I think this last final battle for the president is crucial for his legacy. | ||
| There is this battle of ahistorical pushing that you see that is a really... | ||
| It's an interesting thing that seems to be at least subtly behind a lot of these right-wing figures. | ||
| I find this very interesting. | ||
| The way Alex believes in... | ||
| Lore as being real. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And just completely false versions of history. | ||
| Roger is attacking historians as the left. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I mean, the problem is history is left-leaning. | ||
| The more you read about history, the more you're like, oh, those fascists are bad. | ||
| And the more you see the fascists, you're like, oh, in the modern times, the people who are doing the fascism... | ||
| Are Roger Stone and his ilk, so it kind of does seem like it's in their interest to portray all of history as evil. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, history is unkind to those who want to cling to biases and bigotries of the past. | ||
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And, I mean, pretty clear. | |
| Anyway, Alex wants to talk to Roger about the impeachment trial. | ||
| The impeachment trial is foremost in his mind, and... | ||
| He really wants this fucking thing to be a circus. | ||
| He really wants Trump to go there. | ||
| I kind of want it to be a circus. | ||
| You're out of order! | ||
| I want it to be a circus, too! | ||
| I wonder what would be the most politically useful thing for the policies that we would like to see. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| Would it be more effective for it just to be quiet and go through the process, or would it be effective? | ||
| I think if it's a circus, it's... | ||
| Probably more effective in splintering the GOP. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I think that it would lead to such an embarrassing showcase that, you know, people in the Senate would have much more baggage for not voting to convict. | ||
| Oh yeah, absolutely. | ||
| And I think that maybe that would be politically useful, but I'm not positive. | ||
| It would also be a pretty embarrassing thing just to watch. | ||
| I mean, for the concept of justice, which, if you don't have a kind of shared element of justice, a society can't function. | ||
| So the idea of holding a two-day little, like, hey, Trump, you're evil, 55-45, you're acquitted, is so offensive to the concept of justice that it's like, why? | ||
| Why believe that any punishment will ever come to these evil folks? | ||
| I'm not even trying to predict or talk about, like, conviction or acquittal. | ||
| I'm talking about the strategy of Trump getting up there. | ||
| That's what I'm saying about a two-day trial or something like that. | ||
| That's so offensive to me of, like, we have... | ||
| Evidence that is incontrovertible. | ||
| I guess what you're saying makes sense. | ||
| Like a two-day trial with an acquittal or whatever is kind of... | ||
| It's offensive. | ||
| Whereas a week, two-week trial where Trump is going crazy, screaming nonsense, conspiracy theories, and then an acquittal could be toxic to the people who voted for acquittal. | ||
| Here's the biggest reason. | ||
| Here's the biggest reason. | ||
| I don't know how long Trump can be quiet for his lawyers. | ||
| True. | ||
| What lawyers? | ||
| He's got two, and Barnes is coming, baby! | ||
| I think they all quit. | ||
| Well, I think the five quit, and now he got two yesterday, or something like that. | ||
| Probably great lawyers. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Gotta assume. | ||
| But, like... | ||
| The longer it goes on, the more likely Trump is to be like, I've got something to say. | ||
| And once we get there, then the fireworks start happening left and right. | ||
| It is gonna be Barnes, isn't it? | ||
| It's totally gonna be Barnes. | ||
| I feel it in my bones. | ||
| I can't wait to say good job, Barnes. | ||
| Or good work, Barnes. | ||
| Barnes is gonna try an impeachment. | ||
| It's gonna be so good. | ||
| And I think Trump needs to go in there swinging. | ||
| And saying, I'm the guy that's pro-law and order. | ||
| I'm the guy that was trying to expose this election fraud. | ||
| And he can use that as a place to put on the evidence of election fraud as well. | ||
| They're not going to be able to tell him to shut up. | ||
| This would be spectacular. | ||
| This would be the ultimate reality TV show. | ||
| And according to many scholars, he could get up to two months of the time to put on his evidence properly. | ||
| If he doesn't agree up front to just let a few lawyers represent him. | ||
| If he does that, they're going to hang him out to dry. | ||
| What do you think? | ||
| I think that they can tell him to shut up. | ||
| Yes, they can. | ||
| Like, if someone is being completely uncooperative and just being, like, out of order, you could try him in absentia. | ||
| No, haven't you seen, like, haven't you ever been to a court, you know, one of those quick traffic courts where they go all day? | ||
| You're allowed to just scream for as long as you want. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Up to two months. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And they can't do anything to you. | ||
| There's no such thing as contempt, of course. | ||
| Nope, not at all! | ||
| Especially not in the Senate. | ||
| It's a crucial loophole that we refuse to close. | ||
| Never. | ||
| That if you just misbehave in court, you get off. | ||
| You wait them out. | ||
| Yeah, some people say tubal cane, some people just wait them out. | ||
| Yeah, some people call... | ||
| I'm filibuster! | ||
| This is a court, sir! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't think this is a good idea. | ||
| I think this is dumb in terms of the goals that Alex has. | ||
| I think in the real world, it would probably be unproductive. | ||
| And I think that there's another idea that's going around that also would be unproductive to the goals that Alex has. | ||
| Although, because I'm against those goals, I think that maybe they should do it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm not entirely sure. | ||
| I'm egging you on. | ||
| But it's a bad idea. | ||
| I haven't fully thought about or considered the logistics or the possibilities of this idea of the Patriot Party. | ||
| Right. | ||
| A Trump party splitting. | ||
| But just from sort of a basic view, I think what you would end up doing is completely fracturing the right-wing vote. | ||
| The conservative vote would not... | ||
| Be unified and Democrats would probably run roughshod over almost every election. | ||
| They might even get D.C. into statehood. | ||
| It seems like that would be a really bad decision in terms of the right. | ||
| Electorally. | ||
| If they had a two-month trial for Trump to present his evidence, they would have to talk real slow. | ||
| I think Rudy could handle it. | ||
| But Roger is against this idea of the Patriot Party, which I think is probably good political instincts on his part. | ||
| I think that there's a lot of dangers in terms of, like, were that party to get rolling and have any kind of actual foothold in power, I think you could end up with a pretty... | ||
| Terrifying Overton window kind of situation. | ||
| But in terms of fracturing electoral power on the right, I think it would be dangerous for them. | ||
| And Roger realizes that. | ||
| Soros and the globalists don't fund third parties because they don't work. | ||
| It might be a one-issue deal to stop fracking or this or that, so they'll fund it just to give it legitimacy to shut off our energy supplies like the Green Party. | ||
| When you pull back from this, it's taking over parties you want to do. | ||
| It's Soros and the Globalists that have taken over. | ||
| The Democrats, the Communist Chinese have taken them over. | ||
| They're putting in their DAs. | ||
| They're putting in their Attorney Generals. | ||
| It's a nightmare. | ||
| We need, as American people, to control at least one party. | ||
| We almost got there with Trump. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| That's why they fear him so much. | ||
| He won in a landslide. | ||
| They're absolutely right. | ||
| We do not need this third party. | ||
| That is a nuclear option down the road just for him to run for president or something if he had to. | ||
| But he's not going to be barred from that. | ||
| He's going to defeat this trial in the Senate. | ||
| And I really think that he should run for governor or senator or maybe he should run against Rubio. | ||
| I mean, I really think we need to get President Trump back in D.C. That is what we need to be the real leader. | ||
| Fucking understand why you think he has any interest in running against Marco Rubio. | ||
| I mean, maybe for the campaign he'd have fun with that. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| He doesn't want to be in the fucking Senate. | ||
| Good God, no! | ||
| Imagine, imagine, oh God, that'd be terrible. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What a nightmare that would be. | ||
| He doesn't want to do, like, that would be so much work. | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| And it's not all about Trump. | ||
| No. | ||
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He's not doing it. | |
| You have to cooperate. | ||
| There's a, there's a minority whip who Tells you what to do? | ||
| You're on the phone all the time trying to get donations and shit? | ||
| Imagine that! | ||
| Can you imagine what kind of bills he would write? | ||
| They'd be in Cran. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Brutal. | ||
| Absolutely brutal. | ||
| Bill to provide senators in Florida with free fast food. | ||
| No, and it's so right. | ||
| It's so right to be like, no, no, no, no, we need to maintain the two-party system. | ||
| Because as long as both parties are awful, they can keep passing the ball back and forth, you know? | ||
| So that means that they can still be owned by billionaires. | ||
| If any party governed effectively, the other party would be destroyed. | ||
| You know, like, the Democrats already are like, whoa, whoa, I know we promised 2,000, but let's do 1,400. | ||
| And you're like, guys, really? | ||
| Are we doing this? | ||
| Okay, we'll see the Republicans in two years. | ||
| Thanks, buddy. | ||
| Good work. | ||
| Good work, you morons. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Stupid. | ||
| It's a bummer. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| But Trump will not be a senator or governor. | ||
| Absolutely not. | ||
| Why would he run against DeSantis? | ||
| If he runs for governor, there's no way the state remains in the union. | ||
| The end. | ||
| If Trump is the governor of Florida, he is the president of the United Floridas. | ||
| I'm moving Mar-a-Lago to Texas. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| There we will take our stand. | ||
| I'm moving to the Alamo, Texas. | ||
| That's not the Alamo. | ||
| Shit. | ||
| Too close to the border. | ||
| So, Roger is weird. | ||
| Because he doesn't want a third party. | ||
| Like, this patriot party is a bad idea. | ||
| But at the same time... | ||
| Don't give any fucking money to the RNC. | ||
| Hell no! | ||
| Fuck them. | ||
| Evil. | ||
| Trump should be president of the world. | ||
| Look, I would not donate a penny to the Republican National Committee, and I would urge those out there in the Infowars audience to follow and suit. | ||
| There's no chance that money is being spent effectively. | ||
| Okay, amazing points, but please go back to what Ruddy said about Trump could be really the president of the world. | ||
| For nationalism, for patriotism, for populism, for better trade deals. | ||
| How would you be the president of the world for nationalism? | ||
| Very weird. | ||
| Very, very weird. | ||
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As president of the world, no one can move. | |
| I think it's probably a politically, I don't know, counterproductive. | ||
| To say, hey, we shouldn't have a third party, we gotta take over the Republican Party, but also don't give the Republican Party any money. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| Let's make sure we don't support them, but also we gotta take them over. | ||
| Yeah, we all gotta give money to the right scam, not the wrong one. | ||
| Come on, man. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, Alex gets mad here. | ||
| Roger takes off because he's said his piece. | ||
| And Alex gets mad about Nancy Pelosi because she is not thrilled with there being members of the House. | ||
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Murderers? | |
| Seem to have hostile intentions. | ||
| Murdering intentions? | ||
| Marjorie Greene certainly has said some things that would make me feel unsafe in a work environment. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Nancy Pelosi is not happy about that, and good for her, because I don't think she should have to put up with that. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| Then you have the Lauren Boebert of the world, also not making you feel super safe. | ||
| And so, she, in an interview, said that the enemy is inside. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| And, you know, Alex is not thrilled about that. | ||
| Not wrong! | ||
| Not thrilled. | ||
| Not wrong! | ||
| Alex gets pretty mad about that. | ||
| That's a pretty astounding clip of Pelosi saying that they need more security because of Republican congresspeople. | ||
| Hey, lady, it was your supporter went and shot Scalise and tried to kill 18 others, you lying sack of garbage. | ||
| Burn in hell, Pelosi. | ||
| And by that, I mean, may God have judgment on you. | ||
| I think God's sending you to hell. | ||
| That's what I mean by that. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| The thing that I think is interesting about that clip is it's one of a number of times Alex has to over-clarify stuff, and I think it's because he realizes, like, shit. | ||
| Alright, so everybody is getting caught for doing the thing I told them to do. | ||
| I better be real safe. | ||
| I better be real safe. | ||
| Nancy Pelosi, you're going to burn it out. | ||
| And by that I mean, I believe that God has it out for you. | ||
| And once you die, your soul is going to have trouble. | ||
| And in this circumstance, I'm going to point you to Romans 12, 16, because nobody gets mad at the Bible. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, Owen Schroer has been sitting alongside. | ||
| He's theoretically hosting the show and Alex is co-hosting, but Alex is just doing everything. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| And Owen has some ideas that he wants to introduce to the proceedings about how unpopular Joe Biden is. | ||
| But, you know, getting back to the Biden issue here, Alex, I was looking at this today, and I just have one little printout here. | ||
| It doesn't really work for the printout, but I was looking at Google search trends. | ||
| And if the crew wants to do this, they can do this. | ||
| I was looking at Google search trends. | ||
| Biden, as a Google search trend, was almost non-existent in the year 2020. | ||
| Almost non-existent. | ||
| Trump on the Google search trend is like, number one. | ||
| Oh, but Biden had the most votes ever. | ||
| And then the other thing I noticed, Alex, two of the top three word associations with Biden on the search trend were pedophilia and dementia. | ||
| So the world knows who this guy is. | ||
| Guys, by the way, lay that paper back down. | ||
| I know they can zoom in more. | ||
| Lay it back down where you had it. | ||
| They should just do this because it doesn't really look good on the printout. | ||
| I don't care, but still zoom in on it. | ||
| No, they can do it. | ||
| They can zoom in. | ||
| That camera's got like five times more zoom. | ||
| Just zoom in on that, guys, because this is huge. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| Oh, this is huge. | ||
| Huge. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Google Trends. | ||
| Trump put out an online poll where 98% of people said they want him to be president. | ||
| I don't understand how Biden won. | ||
| Yeah, it's impossible. | ||
| It's impossible. | ||
| 98% of Americans want Trump to be president. | ||
| That's the only polls that I listen to. | ||
| Yeah, this is an instance of taking something that on its... | ||
| On the surface, appears to be making an argument that Trump is far more popular than Biden, but also has no relevance to the larger issue that they're talking about. | ||
| This is very dumb. | ||
| So we've got some guests coming up after Roger. | ||
| We've got a couple of big hitters. | ||
| But I want to let listeners also know, Stuart Rhodes, founder of Roadkeepers, will be joining us in the last 30 minutes of the next hour. | ||
| We have another one of the Boogaloo leaders joining us. | ||
| But to talk about what really happened at the Capitol, you know, I have to say that the Boogaloo guy we had on yesterday did some cheap shots saying, you know, that I might be in the CIA or a Fed. | ||
| But I get from his perspective, I'm saying that to him. | ||
| But only because you can't swing a stick in any of these groups and not hit a Fed. | ||
| I mean, look at the Enrique Tarrio thing coming out. | ||
| He's been a federal informant for many, many years. | ||
| Is he a bad guy? | ||
| No, I mean, I like Enrique. | ||
| And that just goes with the territory, ladies and gentlemen. | ||
| What? | ||
| It's the same thing with the Boogaloo. | ||
| It's the same thing with any of this. | ||
| Wow, that's weird. | ||
| He is, if he is a fat informant, a literal demon servant. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| I like that guy. | ||
| Yeah, he's a good guy. | ||
| Look, I don't know what Tarrio was up to. | ||
| Like, I don't know. | ||
| I still haven't seen concrete evidence that he was informing on the Proud Boys. | ||
| Still don't care, either way. | ||
| But from Alex's perspective, he has to think that he was. | ||
| And that's the way that Alex is presenting this. | ||
| It makes no sense to be like, eh, this guy was a snitch. | ||
| He was infiltrating right-wing groups in order to make them look bad. | ||
| Maybe even was instrumental in planting false flags. | ||
| Demon servant. | ||
| Good dude. | ||
| Good dude. | ||
| He's a good guy! | ||
| Hey! | ||
| Hang out with him. | ||
| He's a good guy. | ||
| That makes no sense. | ||
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| It also is jarring to hear Alex be like, look, I talked to this boogaloo guy. | ||
| He said I was a fucking inside dude. | ||
| Like I was a false controlled opposition. | ||
| And you know what? | ||
| Hey, I understand I'm saying the same thing about him. | ||
| And hey, maybe he's cool. | ||
| Yeah, you guys are doing great work together. | ||
| You guys are doing great work together. | ||
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| Man, that's some deep introspection right there. | ||
| Alex softened really fast on this whole thing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The Boogaloo boys were supposed to be his ticket out of this, and now he's like, I kind of like these guys. | ||
| We're all in trouble. | ||
| And I think one of the issues is sort of distorted views of what unity... | ||
| Is possible or is pursuable. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And Owen Schroer seems to be really on the unity kick right now. | ||
| That seems to be his big project. | ||
| He's talking about reaching out to Black Lives Matter and folks on the left. | ||
| I am so certain I saw, I heard him screaming, fuck BLM. | ||
| Oh yeah, and Antifa. | ||
| I'm just positive that there was a flag involved. | ||
| They burned it. | ||
| I think they burned a flag. | ||
| Oh yeah. | ||
| And now they're gonna... | ||
| They want to reach out. | ||
| Oh, okay, good. | ||
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And Alex is kind of like, yeah, shit. | |
| I'm supposed to be above partisan politics. | ||
| That's supposed to be my whole thing. | ||
| What happened? | ||
| I mean, I want unity. | ||
| I don't want to fight with the average Democrat. | ||
| We need a populist movement that is for common sense in this country. | ||
| I'm glad you're bringing that up because we get so partisan, especially under the last few years with Trump, that that's something that actually energized the worst elements of the Soros left to kind of take over the populist liberals who are on average not bad people and I think can be reached out to. | ||
| What do you think? | ||
| I think that... | ||
| The reality of what Alex is talking about is I miss when some people on the left were tricked by my opposition to the Iraq war. | ||
| I miss back when I could yell about George Bush and I could be deemed not an incredibly insane extreme right-wing zealot. | ||
| Yeah, there was a time there where I wasn't in the pocket of somebody whose boot I was licking. | ||
| I miss having the facade of rationality because I was to the right of George W. Bush. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Yeah, this is silly. | ||
| Yeah, I will accept unity from these people when they apologize publicly and make amends for it and correct their mistakes. | ||
| Then we can be unified again. | ||
| Until then, go fuck yourselves. | ||
| So, speaking of unity, Owen believes that he sees opportunity in the GameStop and Robinhood situation in order to bring people into the fold. | ||
| This disillusionment with the perceived fairness of the stock market is something that he believes that they can use to bring people into the ranks of the Infowars universe. | ||
| And I believe that that is... | ||
| False unity. | ||
| I believe that's the kind of thing that you see constantly with anything that galvanizes people, particularly online. | ||
| You'll see an attempt at infiltration of it by right-wing demagogue types. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| And I can see a bit of Owen seeing an opportunity there, although I don't think that... | ||
| It's going to be effective. | ||
| And I also don't think it's going to be something that's going to be even discussed on InfoWars within a week. | ||
| Yeah, I would agree with that. | ||
| So I don't care to talk about it too much, because it's not really a big issue, and it also is something that I just see it as being like, ah, this might be a wedge. | ||
| This might be something we can use. | ||
| And Owen just doesn't have the chops. | ||
| So we get to the next boogaloo boy who comes in. | ||
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He's a guy named Magnus Panvidia. | |
| Fine. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He is the Boogaloo boy who was recently interviewed on the Jimmy Dore show, and he seems to be somebody who's making the rounds a bit in terms of being someone who people will interview. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And I can understand why, because he doesn't sound crazy, which is... | ||
| I mean, a plus for a public face of a group. | ||
| Yeah, if I was going to be the public face of a group whose main goal was a second Civil War, it would be wise to be like, Hey, come on! | ||
| I'm a good dude. | ||
| I'm smart. | ||
| I'm conversational. | ||
| You guys can talk to me. | ||
| I like all sorts of people. | ||
| Yeah, I seem rational as shit. | ||
| Yeah, and he has a different approach. | ||
| Sort of a good cop, bad cop kind of thing with Mike Dunn, where Mike Dunn, when he was on the day before, was kind of being brusque. | ||
| Alex, you're kind of a shitbag. | ||
| Next. | ||
| Hey, Alex, we're the ones who are doing the shit that you pretend you do. | ||
| And now that Alex has taken that lashing and also now has softened so much, now comes the balm, the sound to make those wounds feel better. | ||
| Magnus? | ||
| Give us your view on what the Boogaloos really are and what you guys just did and what just unfolded. | ||
| Activate the Boogaloos! | ||
| Yeah, we're just kind of a libertarian, anarchist coalition, kind of a militia, more of a movement. | ||
| We started off in the lockdowns, then we expanded throughout the whole George Floyd and all the BLM events, and we just continue to be operating on the ground as kind of a more unifying, not right or left armed movement. | ||
| Fuck you. | ||
| Well, I kind of like that, actually. | ||
| I want to get the left involved and liberals deprogrammed and into owning guns and self-defense. | ||
| This isn't the way. | ||
| No, no, no, no, no. | ||
| I think that you already see a contradiction between what Mike Dunn was saying and what Magnus is saying. | ||
| He's saying we got started in the lockdowns. | ||
| No, this grew out of meme jokes about a second civil war. | ||
| I am not going to be told lies about your own history by a fucking accountant. | ||
| That's what this dude sounds like. | ||
| He sounds like a fucking accountant, Dan. | ||
| You're just saying that because the release of the Boogaloo is a... | ||
| It's a real dorky joke to start off. | ||
| It is everything. | ||
| So Alex, you know, he's really making detente here. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| In a lot of ways. | ||
| He's talking about how, like, I had this bad feeling about Mike Dunn, but I was wrong. | ||
| Well, I had Mike on yesterday, and I gotta say, I thought he was probably a Fed or some Harvey Law Center. | ||
| I didn't have proof of that. | ||
| A lot of these groups get led by those, but I... | ||
| I didn't get that sense actually having him on. | ||
| I got the sense he really believes in what he's doing, and maybe I've been, I'm not saying Boogaloo's are perfect, because any big organization can get infiltrated, but that maybe you guys overall do have a good goal. | ||
| My concern is, are you guys accelerationists? | ||
| Do you want a revolution? | ||
| I mean, we view not only that a revolution is inevitable, but yes, we want a revolution. | ||
| It just depends on what form that takes. | ||
| We want it to be the most peaceful people's revolution as humanly possible, but we're also not ignorant to the idea that the establishment's going to go after that, they're going to try to destroy it, and they'll probably go on the offensive against us. | ||
| So I just think that he's steamrolling, Alex. | ||
| Alex is just letting this guy have a very friendly platform to present this exactly how he wants to. | ||
| It is unacceptable dissembling to be like, we want a peaceful revolution, but. | ||
| But. | ||
| No. | ||
| No, that sentence ends with a period. | ||
| Now, if you want to continue that thought and say, we want a peaceful revolution, period, we believe that there is going to be resistance to that, we will fight that peacefully, then that's cool. | ||
| Yeah, there's two kinds of approaches that I see being possible. | ||
| When you have something like this group that is really interested in gun concerns and what have you, Second Amendment stuff, you could have somebody who's like, okay, I disagree with open carry restrictions. | ||
| So we're going to get people to... | ||
| Right. | ||
| Right? | ||
| There's two approaches you can take. | ||
| One is that we expect we're going to get arrested, and then that arrest we will accept, and we will use that to try and change laws, change public opinion by virtue of our arrest seeming unfair to most people. | ||
| Or you could take the approach of, we're going to do this, and we're going to threaten people with these guns. | ||
| That would be the way to do it. | ||
| And if people try and arrest us, someone might get shot. | ||
| I think the first... | ||
| Might be productive. | ||
| Right. | ||
| The first one is something that, even if I disagree with your position on the open carry laws, I don't see a problem with someone doing a demonstration in a protest like that. | ||
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| When it comes to, like, someone might get shot, that's when we're in dangerous territory. | ||
| I mean, you know, like... | ||
| They're bullshit about unity and all that stuff. | ||
| I think immediately of Fred Hampton. | ||
| Fred Hampton was a person who went into these Second Amendment groups, these fucking militia groups, and was like, hey, this is a class struggle. | ||
| This is about us. | ||
| And convinced them. | ||
| And they joined him. | ||
| And then they acted peacefully. | ||
| And that's why Fred Hampton was murdered. | ||
| Because it was them moving to the left. | ||
| If it's the other way around, yeah, we're in trouble there. | ||
| So Magnus believes and expresses that, hey, the man is trying to get everyone to fight with each other, right? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Alex is like, yeah, okay, cool, cool, cool, cool. | ||
| But Antifa, they hate the cops. | ||
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Right. | |
| What about you guys? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| He does not get the answer he wants. | ||
| I imagine so. | ||
| The establishment right now is trying to get everyone to fight and kill each other instead of coming together against them. | ||
| They want all of these groups. | ||
| They want Antifa. | ||
| They want three percenters. | ||
| They want all of these groups to think the other side is the most evil thing in the world and is secretly attempting to destroy them so they can laugh all the way to the bank while we fight and kill each other. | ||
| And that's what we don't want. | ||
| Well, there's no doubt that's going on. | ||
| But I mean, Antifa says the local police are the enemy. | ||
| Do you think that? | ||
| At this point, I find it hard to believe that the local police aren't the enemy. | ||
| When you look at gun confiscation, a lot of local police are just going along with that and not saying anything. | ||
| When you look at lockdowns, when you look at arresting people over pot, when you look at busting protests, whether they be right-wing or left-wing protests, very aggressively and laughing about it. | ||
| Obviously, I'm not saying that officer-friendly in a small town that's never done anything wrong is some horrible individual. | ||
| But when you look at the institution of policing across the entire country, they've forsaken liberty in all directions. | ||
| See, what's interesting here is that Magnus is coming in with a complex thought that Alex can't really deal with. | ||
| Well, he started with... | ||
| People are trying to divide the left and right, saying both sides are the most evil people on the planet, so they can never communicate with each other. | ||
| And while they're doing that, they're laughing all the way to the bank. | ||
| Does that remind you of anyone, Dan? | ||
| One thick-necked individual comes to mind. | ||
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Indeed! | |
| Yeah, the exact person that he's talking to has spent all of his time talking about how Antifa are meth-head, demon-spawn, whatever. | ||
| Leaving that aside, like... | ||
| I don't agree, and I'm not going to side with Magnus, but issues with policing are issues with policing. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| And Alex can try and deny that kind of stuff as much as he wants, but... | ||
| Magnus has a more interesting perspective on the police than Alex. | ||
| I would counsel very hard to remember this motherfucker is lying. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's making good points. | ||
| He's making good points in the service of lies. | ||
| Maybe not lying, because I do believe that he does have problems with police. | ||
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Sure. | |
| It's disingenuous. | ||
| That's more, I think, he's lying about what his intentions are. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| No, this is absolutely a fucking bullshit way of being like, see, I listen to the problems on the left, and we're going to pay attention to them. | ||
| When they join us, we're going to team up and solve those problems. | ||
| And I don't know, Dan, have we seen what happens when, let's say, right-wing grifters find something no longer useful? | ||
| They toss it aside. | ||
| Odd! | ||
| Odd! | ||
| I would suggest that if you were thinking about... | ||
| Them having good points. | ||
| Maybe remember what they do whenever you're no longer useful. | ||
| Yeah, and I mean, not for nothing, in the wake of this dude being on Jimmy Dore's show, some people did look through his Twitter and found him supporting Kyle Rittenhouse. | ||
| Sure! | ||
| It's like, I don't know, man. | ||
| Nah, I don't know. | ||
| Nah, it's unity. | ||
| We're all about unity here. | ||
| I don't know about this. | ||
| So, for Alex, though, the question comes back to pretty constantly, as it did with Mike, Who are you targeting? | ||
| I want to ask you about in a revolution and what your goals would be of that revolution or that new Declaration of Independence. | ||
| And my concern is I never see people protesting big tech or I mean Apple runs slave factories in China. | ||
| And I'm not saying blow up Apple. | ||
| I don't want that. | ||
| But, I mean, if Uyghurs bombed Apple, they would have a real argument. | ||
| Apple runs the main slave camps. | ||
| So if Uyghurs attacked Apple, they would have a legitimate argument at the UN Hague that we're under attack. | ||
| We were attacking who was attacking us. | ||
| I'm not saying do that. | ||
| I'm just saying all the targets. | ||
| I heard the local police. | ||
| That sounds like a communist takeover of local government. | ||
| I'm not saying you're doing that. | ||
| That's what I'm concerned about. | ||
| Stay right there, sir. | ||
| We'll come right back to you. | ||
| No time for him to respond to that diatribe. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| And again, it just comes down to Alex. | ||
| His two issues seem to be like, this isn't being directed by me, and you're not targeting the people that I want you to target. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| My biggest issue... | ||
| Why isn't everybody doing what I say? | ||
| They can be as explicitly anti-globalist. | ||
| Mike Dunn was very clearly like, I am against these globalists. | ||
| And it doesn't matter because Alex doesn't see them blowing up. | ||
| No, you're not going after my stuff. | ||
| Can you imagine? | ||
| That's what Trump in the Senate would be like. | ||
| He's like, why isn't everybody doing what I want to do? | ||
| That's the whole thing. | ||
| What's a quorum? | ||
| I am a narcissist! | ||
| I can't spell quorum. | ||
| It's pronounced quorum. | ||
| Quokka. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Alex, you know, his problem seems to be that they have a revolution in mind. | ||
| Revolution's probably good. | ||
| You should do it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But it's not my revolution. | ||
| That kind of is a problem. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And then he makes an insane analogy. | ||
| We had Mr. Dunn on yesterday, and I really thought about it after the interview. | ||
| I thought, I don't think that guy's a fed. | ||
| I think he's really pissed off about what's happening in the world and trying to unify everybody around one message. | ||
| And if they can successfully do that, that'd be great. | ||
| I'm just really concerned about the goals of a revolution and who leads it. | ||
| I mean, it'd be great if we had a bunch of state governors. | ||
| The Confederacy. | ||
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You're literally describing the Confederacy. | |
| That's 100% the Confederacy. | ||
| What are we doing? | ||
| It's illegitimate. | ||
| The Great Reset's illegal. | ||
| And so we reform our new union. | ||
| I mean, we have that right. | ||
| I just see what happened at the Capitol, which the Boogaloo's bragged about being part of. | ||
| People can try to walk that back, whatever. | ||
| It was idiocy. | ||
| I wouldn't call it an assault. | ||
| I would call it a... | ||
| A pissing contest, I would call it. | ||
| I mean, it was a little bit more intense than kind of... | ||
| That's what you'd call it? | ||
| Other than them killing four citizens, a cop having a heart attack. | ||
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Wow. | |
| A little more intense than what you see in movies like Animal House. | ||
| I mean, Animal House pranks are now like terrorism. | ||
| Walking off of lecterns, one cop got squashed in the door, there was some nastiness, some fights. | ||
| It was wrong. | ||
| But not a new Pearl Harbor. | ||
| So, Magnus... | ||
| See, what you don't understand, Jordan, your mouth is open as if in surprise, but what you don't understand is that the storming of the Capitol was basically like, you know how, like, in an old TV show, you have, like, a panty raid? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| It's basically a frat prank. | ||
| So, what... | ||
| Which also is quite inappropriate in hindsight. | ||
| Is that the Patriots jumped the General Lee over the Capitol building. | ||
| That's what we're describing here? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I mean, basically, it's like TPing. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| A lot of cops die when TPing things. | ||
| Yeah, basically, the right-wingers just egged the Capitol. | ||
| Hey, what are you going to do? | ||
| We were throwing a little break! | ||
| Come on! | ||
| Basically, they waited until the Capitol passed out, and then they put the Capitol's hand in some warm water. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Just wild. | ||
| They waited until the Capitol passed out, and then they put shaving cream on its hand and then tickled the Capitol with a feather. | ||
| I just don't know what to do when someone would try and say that. | ||
| Like, I just, there's, what, just, I want to get a white glove and challenge him to a duel. | ||
| I don't know what to do about that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I would say that if this is just slightly above frat pranks, why are you talking about it so much? | ||
| Ah, that's a good point. | ||
| Also, I don't remember... | ||
| Why are you spending days and days trying to scapegoat a frat prank? | ||
| Anyway, Alex has seen the interview with Jimmy Dore that this guy did, and he loves it. | ||
| And even before I even went on Jimmy Dore, the only podcast I could even get on was a podcast called Liberty Lockdown, which was a small, decentralized podcast that they didn't have the ability to censor. | ||
| Yeah, let's talk about that. | ||
| That was a great interview you did with Jimmy Dore. | ||
| Yeah, and I'm so happy for him to have me come on because what it's given me the ability to do is to break through all the mainstream media lies about us because there's extremist experts and journalists that have covered us all year long and have... | ||
| Buckets and piles of video and text evidence showing what our movement's about. | ||
| And it doesn't line up with what the mainstream media has all. | ||
| And they'll directly quote these extremist experts that work for D.C. and quote them on certain parts. | ||
| But when those same extremist experts say, no, we're not white supremacy. | ||
| Yes, we work with BLM They'll take those parts of their report and hide it And run us all roughshod across the media And I feel the same thing's been done to Antifa I feel the same thing's been done to 3%ers I feel like the same thing's been done to BLM Fuck you Yeah Fuck you. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Fuck you! | ||
| Now, if the criticism is that the mainstream media lacks some sort of nuance in reporting on groups particularly like the Boogs, yeah, sure. | ||
| Fine. | ||
| Great. | ||
| I don't know if you've broken through that by being on Jimmy Dore's show. | ||
| I would say no. | ||
| I would argue no. | ||
| But then, you know, this is going to wind up with this dumbass being all over the place, I imagine. | ||
| With a bunch of easily taken advantage of morons like Jimmy Dore. | ||
| Yeah, and maybe the sort of high point of it will be him going on Tucker or something. | ||
| But I don't know if he has the escape trajectory to get out of that bubble. | ||
| Very much doubt. | ||
| But that is interesting. | ||
| I mean, it does indicate the kind of places that he has access to. | ||
| It includes InfoWars. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Jimmy Dore. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| That should put pause in a lot of people's minds. | ||
| It's not a good sign. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| Also, hey, buddy, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that most white supremacists would deny it. | ||
| Yeah, and the issue comes down to that the character of the group itself is not white supremacist. | ||
| Probably are a fair number of white supremacists who fall under the Boogaloo category. | ||
| And that is fair enough. | ||
| But the group itself is not white nationalist, white supremacist in character. | ||
| Right. | ||
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And that is something that's the nuance that is kind of difficult for people who aren't engaged in these things to really to really delineate. | |
| And that's where clunky conversations come in. | ||
| And you say like the white supremacist boogaloo group. | ||
| And then you kind of look like you don't know what you're talking about. | ||
| It's difficult even for me to fully understand where exactly a lot of So Alex tries to have this conversation that is far nicer. | ||
| Than the one with Mike. | ||
| And it's weird because the territory that Magnus is getting into should be really hostile stuff for Alex. | ||
| Like, Magnus is defending Antifa. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| To Alex Jones. | ||
| Indeed. | ||
| And that's weird. | ||
| This is a huge problem. | ||
| You believe in free speech. | ||
| Antifa doesn't. | ||
| It's funded by Soros on record. | ||
| I mean, you have Antifa members that... | ||
| That's the thing. | ||
| There might be infiltrated parts of it, but that's the same for everything. | ||
| That's something you talked about. | ||
| When I go back to your early works about the WTO riots and how the police infiltrated the WTO riots to cause chaos and false flag, some of those same people that were at those WTO riots in Seattle are the same people that I talk to today that are part of Antifa. | ||
| And they get really disillusioned when they hear things about, like, oh, all of Antifa is Soros-funded. | ||
| A lot of them talk just like you. | ||
| They hate the Fed. | ||
| They hate global corporations. | ||
| They stand for free speech. | ||
| But Fox News or something will put the camera on one guy that has a stupid opinion and be like, oh, they speak for all of Antifa. | ||
| When it's a global... | ||
| I will invite any of those Antifa on that will actually talk to us. | ||
| I'd love to actually hear that if that exists. | ||
| This is a problem for Alex because he has contracts. | ||
| No one is supposed to remember the things I say! | ||
| Well, that's a problem. | ||
| But also, if Alex actually believed that the quote-unquote Soros-Antifa contracts that Harrison Smith found on 4chan were real, this argument should not be compelling to him. | ||
| This argument should be like, no, do you understand? | ||
| I have contracts between Alexander Soros and George Soros and their foundations and Antifa in order to try and start martial law in America. | ||
| You, sir, don't know. | ||
| You're being tricked by the people on the ground who are who are old time commies. | ||
| Yeah, that's that's how you should be behaving. | ||
| He shouldn't be persuadable by stuff like this if anything he believes means anything. | ||
| Listen up, Magnus Vermagnerson, or whatever your name is. | ||
| Let me tell you this right now. | ||
| Everyone in Antifa had to sign a contract. | ||
| I've got the document for you right here. | ||
| Go ahead and read through that. | ||
| Oh, no, I'm an idiot, aren't I? | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| That guy remembered something I said. | ||
| I think that Alex probably doesn't bring that stuff up because Magnus would laugh in his face. | ||
| I don't think that... | ||
| It would be embarrassing. | ||
| That's why Alex's narratives fall apart. | ||
| Because they're built on nothing. | ||
| Alex himself doesn't believe them. | ||
| And when presented with somebody who probably isn't going to play along, this is what I keep coming into, is that Alex should not... | ||
| Engage with zealots. | ||
| Yeah, he's a pretend zealot. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And he's going to get found out when you go up against a real one. | ||
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Yes. | |
| The end. | ||
| And that's why he can't bring out his real narratives that he uses all the time on his show because they'd be punctured so fast. | ||
| He's at an instant disadvantage and somehow he still believes when he has these people on that he's like, nah, I got them. | ||
| I can take care of it. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Stupid. | ||
| So anyway, the Great Reset is the problem or something. | ||
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Sure. | |
| There needs to be a revolution. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| And Magnus wants Alex to work with Antifa. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| We should be able to unify everybody against the Great Reset. | ||
| It's literally a corporate takeover to consolidate power under the name of environmentalism to literally bankrupt everyone and have a universal income so they can dictate the terms of our surrender. | ||
| We have got to get everybody mobilized against the Great Reset. | ||
| What is your view, Magnus, about the Great Reset? | ||
| Oh, yeah, and I agree, and it's funny enough because I had this conversation with an Antifa member. | ||
| They agree, too. | ||
| It's not that they're against the idea of, like, oh, let's reset the system everywhere, but they are perfectly aware of the people that are pushing that idea of how all these multinational billion-dollar banks and everything. | ||
| It's not a great reset for the people. | ||
| Oh, yeah, I'd love a reset. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| We need a reset. | ||
| We need a reset. | ||
| I'm going to hold you over, but we need a reset, but it's not this reset. | ||
| This is a horrible reset. | ||
| Sorry, go ahead. | ||
| There's a difference between a reset that involves rethinking. | ||
| Rethinking our approach to climate issues, rethinking our approach to what people need to live, that kind of thing, and a reset that involves a civil war. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Those are very different. | ||
| And if you talk about them being like, oh, well, hey, these people are interested in a revolution just like us, you're muddying the waters in a way that is incredibly unfair. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And that is, like, when you engage in that kind of a disingenuous sleight of hand, it leads me to suspect that maybe a lot of the stuff that you're saying is not... | ||
| Sincere. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Not genuine. | ||
| And that's one of the problems that I run into with Magnus. | ||
| And in this next clip, I think we really get to see this pretty clearly. | ||
| Actually, I was just on the phone with the woman that was at the WTO riots, and she said she would be willing to come on and talk to you. | ||
| So if you want to talk to an Antifa member, you can talk to an Antifa member. | ||
| Please, we'd love to have her on. | ||
| And definitely, like, obviously the dictionary definition of accelerationism might be correct, but what everyone is calling us, if by the criteria that you think everything is fundamentally flawed and it will not change without radical change, then literally everyone is an accelerationist. | ||
| Joe Biden is an accelerationist. | ||
| AOC is an accelerationist. | ||
| Rand Paul is an accelerationist. | ||
| Like, if you look at the world through that view, everyone acknowledges that things are totally destroyed across the board. | ||
| No, you're right. | ||
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It's a very sick dysfunctional system. | |
| Exactly. | ||
| So a lot of people say, oh, you want a revolution, you're an accelerationist. | ||
| I'm like, everyone wants a revolution right now. | ||
| Everyone's talking about it. | ||
| It trends on Twitter constantly. | ||
| So this is another manipulative sleight of hand. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| The accelerationism that people are talking about when they talk about fringe right-wing groups and militias and that type is an accelerationism towards shooting violence. | ||
| It's an accelerationism that's rooted in heightening tensions and highly tense situations and protests that have the potential to spin out of hand and prove to be an inciting event in a conflict between supposed sides of a civil war. | ||
| We see the water boiling and we want to push it over the edge. | ||
| That's the accelerationism that he's trying to make the same. | ||
| As accelerationism, where you have people who are saying climate change is a problem that cannot be ignored any longer. | ||
| We need to elect leaders who are willing to explore ideas about regulation. | ||
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Yes, okay, it's not the same. | |
| Recognizing that a system is flawed in many ways, and we're past the point, possibly even past the point, where we can... | ||
| Totally fix all of the issues. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Is not the same as thinking everything is fucked and we should hope for a civil war because it's going to happen eventually, so why not do it now? | ||
| That's dishonest. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| I mean, yeah, I understand this guy and you're 100% right, good cop, bad cop, bullshit with these two, but God, I prefer the asshole from the other day. | ||
| It's funnier. | ||
| And also, he's just going to be like, Yeah, fuck yeah! | ||
| Let's blow it up! | ||
| You know, like, I don't like this lying piece of shit coming at me with his accountant! | ||
| But I think that Mike was still lying, too. | ||
| Oh, totally. | ||
| He was still trying to put on a shinier facade to what he actually is believing and promoting. | ||
| But yeah, this is just intrinsically unfair. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Like, what he's presenting. | ||
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| And it's intentional because he kind of understands that there's a lot of Alex's audience that's probably poachable. | ||
| No, and it's hard to... | ||
| Like, bring up AOC, and all I think of is... | ||
| Ted Cruz being like, yeah, I agree. | ||
| And AOC being like, hey, you tried to murder me. | ||
| Go fuck yourself. | ||
| Well, guess what? | ||
| I get it. | ||
| You can bring up how Antifa and BLM are also against the Fed or whatever it is you want, but you tried to murder all of us, so go fuck yourselves. | ||
| Well, and the other problem, too, is that I do think that there probably are some accelerationist types on the left. | ||
| Sure, you can rationalize your way to that. | ||
| If you take the issue, I would agree a great deal. | ||
| You know, I don't know. | ||
| I don't know if he would do this, but comparing, like, I don't know, gun-wielding accelerationists at protests to Greta Thunberg, I think it's an unfair comparison. | ||
| A little bit different. | ||
| A little bit different. | ||
| I remember Greta bringing her AR to the UN. | ||
| I remember that. | ||
| Didn't she do that when she gave that speech? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I recall. | ||
| So, Magnus wants peaceful options. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Now, again, he is a public representative of a group that is entirely based around the fantasy of a second civil war to the point where this listener pointed this out to me, and I knew this, but I failed to bring it up on our last episode. | ||
| You know, even the wearing Hawaiian shirts is about civil war. | ||
| It had to get around social media bands, and so they had Big Luau instead of Boogaloo. | ||
| Like, everything is about civil war for these fucks. | ||
| But he wants peaceful options. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And I think that he's won Alex over to an embarrassing extent. | ||
| And we need to keep trying to push peaceful options. | ||
| We need to keep finding cracks in the armor to be peaceful. | ||
| But they continue to shut those avenues down, one after another after another. | ||
| If they keep doing that, and that was my warning to them in that speech, if they keep denying people redress, keep denying people the ability to change things, then you're going to have civil conflict. | ||
| And it's going to be really bad for them, for us, and for everyone involved. | ||
| Okay, Magnus, come back on, because I'm really impressed, and I'm glad that you actually came on. | ||
| I'd love to have you on with the Antifa lady. | ||
| We want to have them on. | ||
| We want to actually reach out to these folks, because I understand that we can all drink the mainstream media Kool-Aid at a certain point and need to actually... | ||
| Hear what these groups actually stand for. | ||
| You're not drinking the mainstream media Kool-Aid. | ||
| It's your Kool-Aid. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Magnus has got Alex so on the ropes that he's willing to work with Antifa. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Doesn't China run Antifa? | ||
| It's hard not to see that, like, oh, well, you're just nicer to Alex. | ||
| Of course he agrees with all of this shit, theoretically, in his mind. | ||
| But... | ||
| This guy's being nicer than Mike Dunn, so... | ||
| Hell yeah, you guys might have a good point. | ||
| You're being real deferential, and I don't see you as a physical threat, so I think we're good to go. | ||
| Who knows how this would have gone if Magnus was the first one to talk to Alex, but I don't think that this interview can be seen outside of the context of the prior one that went very badly for Alex. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| And it's not like, I mean, you'd have to be delusional to think that Mike and Magnus don't know each other. | ||
| Yeah, you'd have to be insane. | ||
| And we're probably laughing the night between these two interviews. | ||
| About Alex getting... | ||
| Can't believe you called him a controlled opposition to his face! | ||
| What a moron! | ||
| Okay, now I'm gonna go on and tell him that Antifa's cool. | ||
| I saw one interview he did with Steve Pachanek. | ||
| All you gotta do is say that he's a good dude who's super smart, and then he'll believe anything. | ||
| Yeah, this is embarrassing, and Alex is just... | ||
| Stupid. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So bad. | ||
| So, speaking of dangerous, bad interviews, now Stuart Rhodes of the Oath Keepers comes in. | ||
| Great, good work. | ||
| Alex is not into this idea that some of them got arrested. | ||
| And it's just kind of like, I don't buy it. | ||
| Shifting gears, Stuart Rhodes is a retired constitutional lawyer, award-winning researcher, you name it. | ||
| What awards did he have? | ||
| Army veteran, patriot, founder of Oath Keepers. | ||
| It's always about non-violent, defensive protection of America. | ||
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Since when? | |
| You've seen the big news, three Oath Keepers arrested, plotting to kill members of Congress. | ||
| Well, they didn't do a very good job there at the Capitol, just running around going, woo-woo-woo. | ||
| I don't buy any of that. | ||
| They all went, woo-woo-woo. | ||
| They were like Jeffrey Osborne. | ||
| Can you woo, woo, woo? | ||
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You know that song? | |
| It's kind of astonishing how quickly people hand wave a literal violent coup. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's astonishing. | ||
| Well, it's so important for people like Alex and people on the right to do that because it's so indicative of the sort of danger that they present to... | ||
| A civil, insane society. | ||
| Someone could say that the enemy is within. | ||
| It's very important that the hand-waving happens. | ||
| I just don't understand why people who are on the other side don't keep stressing this in a really aggressive way. | ||
| Cowardice? | ||
| Money? | ||
| I think maybe, but I think also just kind of like... | ||
| We all are just exhausted. | ||
| That's part of it. | ||
| We're all just fucking tired. | ||
| This goddamn pandemic, and then these guys took over the country, and all I want to do is go to bed! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| A lot of the time, whenever I'm getting an episode ready, Alex will say something, and I'm like, ugh. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| And then I have to deal with it. | ||
| And I think that sometimes in life, you run into walls like that, and you just don't want to deal with it. | ||
| And I think that maybe some people don't want to deal. | ||
| With that, and hand-waving is the good way to do it. | ||
| I mean, when you... | ||
| But for Alex, it's an existential threat. | ||
| Yes, 100%. | ||
| Recognizing that his worldview implies this is really dangerous for him. | ||
| This is the logical conclusion of what you say. | ||
| The end. | ||
| This is not some, like, infiltration. | ||
| This is not some, like, oops, we were meaning to do this and then this happened. | ||
| This is what the end goal was and you did it stupid and you lost. | ||
| The end. | ||
| Unlike Jeffrey Osborne, who won a Grammy. | ||
| I was trying so hard, I was just zeroed in on not talking about that. | ||
| In terms of awards, Stuart Rhodes, I don't know what the case is here. | ||
| When he was at Yale, he apparently won an award for a paper on enemy combatant status that he wrote. | ||
| I was able to find the paper, and it's long. | ||
| And I didn't read all of it, but I read some of it, and I was like, ah, this seems like a college paper. | ||
| And it would have been, I think, 2004? | ||
| And conveniently, Yale. | ||
| Their records online go back to 2005. | ||
| Oh, so weird. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So weird. | ||
| I was able to find the recipients list of these winners until 2005. | ||
| That's not to say that Stewart didn't win it. | ||
| I just have no idea. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He could have. | ||
| It reminds me of Mumford, the movie Mumford. | ||
| Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| The guy fakes being a psychologist. | ||
| Conveniently, everybody who could verify his time in college dies. | ||
| So weird. | ||
| So weird. | ||
| We've met some people like that in the past. | ||
| So Stuart is kind of like, hey, we're in the situation that our founding fathers were in. | ||
| And so what we need to do is set up autonomous cities, I think. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Make sure you do what the founders did. | ||
| They came together. | ||
| They were united at the town and county level for mutual defense and also for grassroots politics. | ||
| They separated themselves from an illegitimate regime even before they declared independence. | ||
| You know, they didn't listen to the rural governors. | ||
| They smuggled and went around all the edicts of the king. | ||
| We're homespun clothing. | ||
| Stop buying textiles from England. | ||
| And that's like moonshine. | ||
| All of this is pure Americana. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| Everybody, they're trying to drive us underground. | ||
| Let's jump in that briar patch. | ||
| Let's just stop supporting them in any way. | ||
| Alex is currently in a luxury resort in Utah. | ||
| He has an iPhone in his pocket. | ||
| This is ridiculous. | ||
| Good God. | ||
| I hate these people so much. | ||
| It's a bit of a mess. | ||
| But not as much of a mess as Alex's narrative about January 6th. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| This is a huge problem for him, because as we've seen, he's had to gradually expand the narrative based on new people who get arrested. | ||
| Yeah, we're on our seventh or eighth iteration of this narrative so far. | ||
| And it's falling the fuck apart. | ||
| And one of the reasons for that... | ||
| Is the people that he's tried to blame, the Boogaloo Boys, stood up to him. | ||
| And he got embarrassed by two of them in two days. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He can't throw the Oath Keepers under the bus. | ||
| He's too connected to them. | ||
| Stuart Rhodes is his good buddy. | ||
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Yep. | |
| They're tight. | ||
| He can't do it. | ||
| The Proud Boys, he also probably can't throw them under the bus. | ||
| Not completely. | ||
| Joe Biggs was like the second in command. | ||
| He used to work at InfoWars. | ||
| Enrique Tarrio. | ||
| Yeah, they were independent contractors. | ||
| He doesn't get into that kind of stuff that those people get into. | ||
| Enrique Tarrio had been on the show before he spoke at Alex's CPAC event. | ||
| You can't prove any of this. | ||
| Alex could be like, I was in bed drunk by then. | ||
| He probably could. | ||
| I don't remember Tario. | ||
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I don't remember anything from that night. | |
| It's too difficult for him, and so now he has to kind of, like, do this. | ||
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We're all living in America. | |
| America. | ||
| Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen. | ||
| Stuart Rhodes, founder of the Oath Keepers, is here with us. | ||
| And he just learned about this in the last 12 hours or so. | ||
| Self-styled militia members in three states begin planning in November for recruits, weapons ahead of Capitol breach, U.S. siege. | ||
| Well, they sure didn't bring the weapons, and they sure didn't do all the things they supposedly were planning to do. | ||
| But it was the Q phenomenon behind the scenes that, oh, secretly Trump's giving orders to Storm D.C. and all this, and then it would piggyback on us having peaceful demonstrations. | ||
| Calling for a Senate investigation that Ted Cruz was calling for. | ||
| And then you get to demonize the entire Trump system with this badly coordinated few hundred people that wanted to storm the Capitol. | ||
| Now you get a few Proud Boys, you get a few Boogaloos, you get a few Oath Keepers in the mix. | ||
| Are they informants? | ||
| Are they set up? | ||
| They break in. | ||
| Okay, four of them get killed. | ||
| Cop has a heart attack, dies a few days later. | ||
| This is the new Pearl Harbor. | ||
| So the narrative now is just... | ||
| So intensely complicated and shifted so far over the course of the last couple weeks that it's... | ||
| To imagine somebody continuing to go along with this is just embarrassing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because Alex, at every stage, has said he's proven all of these things. | ||
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Yep. | |
| And then everything shifts. | ||
| So now the Q movement is the real villain. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And there's a couple of people who, I guess Alex will probably, I'm going to guess soon he's going to say sheep dipped. | ||
| He's going to call these people sheep dipped. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's going to be a couple sheep dipped people. | ||
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Sure. | |
| In each of these groups that were there as infiltrated provocateurs. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And so all these groups are actually good. | ||
| Just they had a couple people who were bad apples in those groups who were actually globalist plants. | ||
| This is... | ||
| Too complicated. | ||
| I guess he has too many Q followers that listen to his show, but if it were me, I would just go hard on Q being controlled by the globalists the whole way. | ||
| Turn all the Q people into globalists. | ||
| No, that's kind of where he's at. | ||
| Right, but I mean like straight up clean break. | ||
| Everything is their fault because they're the globalists. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Well, that's interesting. | ||
| I think... | ||
| I think it would be difficult to argue that all the people who believe in Q are aware of a globalist plot that they're a part of. | ||
| And so he's saying that the Q is globalist intelligence and stuff like that. | ||
| But the people who fell for it and were in on it, or the followers... | ||
| They're just good researchers who got taken down the wrong path. | ||
| I know, but you can lump them in with all the people who use it. | ||
| You know, most rank-and-file Democrats aren't evil people. | ||
| They've just been caught up in this whole thing. | ||
| You know, you just rationalize the cue. | ||
| Alex says that everyone on the left is a devil. | ||
| Well, sometimes he does, and sometimes he doesn't. | ||
| Depends on his mood. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know. | ||
| I strain to keep any kind of... | ||
| Throughline? | ||
| Well, yeah, throughline or belief that Alex even has a throughline. | ||
| Yeah, I would agree with that. | ||
| I don't think he has a center on this narrative. | ||
| It's just someone's to blame and it's not us. | ||
| It's a fake group that's controlled by the globalists. | ||
| That's why I'm saying you go with Q and then you go up against a boogaloo boy and they're like, you're stupid. | ||
| And you're like, no, no, no, this is all Q shit, man. | ||
| You are the stupid ones. | ||
| You are being controlled by the globalists who run Q. I don't know. | ||
| I think Alex realizes that the new generation is not gonna put up with his bullshit. | ||
| No, that doesn't seem like it. | ||
| So, Stuart Rhodes is not like Alex in many ways. | ||
| He's scarier. | ||
| Terrifying. | ||
| And he also is not somebody who throws people under the bus. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| Alex is willing to throw anybody under the bus. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Immediately. | ||
| When it's convenient. | ||
| Yeah, I imagine that military service will give you more loyalty to your comrades in arms than being a radio host. | ||
| Yeah, so one of the people that was arrested, Storm of the Capitol, one of the three Oath Keepers, Stuart Rhodes knows for a fact, is an Oath Keeper. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And he won't deny that. | ||
| And he also spent some time on this show promoting her crowdfunding page. | ||
| Yeah, I love that! | ||
| I love that! | ||
| And so Jessica Watkins does have a GoFundMe set up, or not a GoFundMe, it's on RallyPay, but a fundraiser for her legal defense. | ||
| We do encourage people to go and defend the actual member who was involved in that. | ||
| So we always stand behind our people. | ||
| So there you go. | ||
| But again, you didn't coordinate, you weren't part of this. | ||
| No, absolutely not. | ||
| I had nothing to do with it now. | ||
| I am going to try and help fund the defense of somebody who was there because they're my people. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That is a kind of loyalty that is foreign to InfoWars. | ||
| Completely. | ||
| So wait, wait, wait, wait. | ||
| Are you saying that she did a thing that you personally think was a bad idea, but you're still going to defend her? | ||
| But if you threw her under the bus, then maybe you wouldn't have to deal with it at all! | ||
| Yeah, you could keep that money. | ||
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Yeah! | |
| It'd be your money! | ||
| Don't you want that money? | ||
| So, we are now in a situation that is exactly the same. | ||
| 100% the same. | ||
| Identical. | ||
| As the founders. | ||
| Well, the colonies. | ||
| Ah! | ||
| In the colonies. | ||
| We're basically in the colonies. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Stuart, what do you expect him to do with Biden? | ||
| He's deteriorating extremely quickly. | ||
| I mean, he looks like an Alzheimer's patient now. | ||
| I mean, they definitely cranked him up, and he practiced that very short inaugural speech, which was okay. | ||
| Ten bags of blood. | ||
| Other than that, he's like, what am I signing? | ||
| Blah, blah, blah. | ||
| I mean, he is like, what the hell's going on here? | ||
| Well, like I was saying, he is a Chinese puppet. | ||
| You should look at this as D.C. is now the green zone of an occupying army from communist China using their puppet. | ||
| That's why it's a direct parallel the founders faced. | ||
| They were dealing with domestic puppets, the royal governors, who were doing the bidding of a foreign power, that was king and parliament, that the people had no control over and no representation in. | ||
| And we're in the same exact position. | ||
| Exact same position. | ||
| Exact same position! | ||
| Explain to me how they're in the exact same position. | ||
| Stuart just did, man. | ||
| I disagree strongly. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Me too. | ||
| So, Stuart is, you know, he's not an accelerationist, except he is. | ||
| Pretty sure he said we're in the colonies, and I'm pretty sure that what that required was a literal revolution. | ||
| Yeah, but before that, they had people writing pamphlets and stuff. | ||
| Ah, ah. | ||
| So, the Oath Keepers are very similar to Thomas Paine. | ||
| One might. | ||
| One, were they to be Stuart Rhodes, might say yes. | ||
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Stuart's... | |
| He's trying to have this like, you know, like, hey, it's not time for action or whatever yet, but he does give a little bit of a contradictory message here, and it's upsetting. | ||
| That shows their weakness, because they can't even trust their own troops, because they know that those troops come from us, and so they're... | ||
| Do is try to purge the troops and kick out anybody who's a real American. | ||
| They really have a skeleton force of no strong military in the United States that is controlled by them than to have a powerful military they can't control when they try to give orders to violate our rights. | ||
| So watch for that. | ||
| We're going in territory, heading towards a sweet spot where we can't wait too much longer because then they'll have vetted. | ||
| And kicked out all the patriots out of the military. | ||
| Confederates. | ||
| They have not gotten there yet. | ||
| But watch for that process to happen. | ||
| As you get closer and closer to that point, you have to do something. | ||
| That's where we're going. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| Let's talk about, both of you stay there, let's talk about the timeline of tyranny, what the Globals are going to do next, what we've got to do. | ||
| I mean, folks, nobody's happy about this. | ||
| The country has cancer. | ||
| Again, they're trying to purge the military now. | ||
| We told you that was coming next. | ||
| Of Confederates. | ||
| We've got to take the last three minutes of Stewart put that on the front of this interview. | ||
| That was where he let it out. | ||
| Literally, D.C. is now the communist Chinese green zone. | ||
| We'll be right back. | ||
| So, you have Stuart saying that there's a sweet spot where you have to do something before the military is done purging. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Also, the military has started purging. | ||
| Well, that puts a clock on it. | ||
| It does. | ||
| It sure does, doesn't it, Dan? | ||
| This is the Revolution QVC. | ||
| We're not into acceleration. | ||
| What we are saying is that it's going to happen shortly. | ||
| Anybody? | ||
| We got about 45, 50 minutes? | ||
| Yeah, that's not good. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, the 28th wraps up, and... | ||
| Blackjack! | ||
| Shit! | ||
| Nope. | ||
| You're so good. | ||
| You're so good at this. | ||
| 29th, Alex is, like I said, on the road. | ||
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| He's coming back from Utah. | ||
| Travel day. | ||
| 30th, Alex and Stuart Rhodes are in studio, and they're talking about this dumb documentary, talking about how they got us a seed and shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Very stupid. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Now we get to the 31st Sunday episode, and Alex is... | ||
| Basically describing how we're in Revelation. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But it is said in the book of Revelation that John the Revelator in the Isle of Patmos marveled at... | ||
| hole that God opened up. | ||
| That part wasn't in the Bible. | ||
| The Antichrist and the world government, what would be happening in the future. | ||
| He marveled at the beast. | ||
| World government cannot buy nor sell without a mark on the forehead of the hand. | ||
| You must turn over your children to the state. | ||
| You must destroy your very genetics. | ||
| You must kill the earth. | ||
| You must worship Satan, or you will not be allowed to live. | ||
| You will not be allowed to have a job. | ||
| Well, whether you believe... | ||
| John was the greatest science fiction writer ever, 2,000 years ago. | ||
| He was not. | ||
| Or whether you believe he was inspired by God. | ||
| He was not. | ||
| It's being manifested. | ||
| It is not. | ||
| It's being set up. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Right now. | ||
| So, the old Chinese proverb says, may you live in interesting times. | ||
| And we certainly are interesting times. | ||
| And then you have the battle of Armageddon with the dragon. | ||
| All the rest of it now unfolding. | ||
| So, get your popcorn out! | ||
| Because you got front row seats to the big finale. | ||
| Is it 10 years, 100 years out, or 60 minutes away? | ||
| All I know is it's satanic and it's moving quick. | ||
| Wait, so it might be in an hour? | ||
| The dragon might be here in an hour? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| This is not fair. | ||
| I've got a pitch for you. | ||
| Actually, I've got a pitch for the devil. | ||
| Or the great beast, if you will. | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| Let me get into character. | ||
| Okay, there you go. | ||
| That was scary. | ||
| You surprised me. | ||
| She popped out of that portal. | ||
| Okay, so you've got the book of Revelations. | ||
| You've got this whole head or the hand on the mark of the beast, right? | ||
| But you're the devil, and you realize everyone has a phone. | ||
| So, do you get around the entire book of Revelations if you just never attach it to somebody's hand or forehead? | ||
| Do you just win? | ||
| Does he win if everybody has the Mark of the Beast in their pocket? | ||
| Well, I mean, it would certainly seem to indicate that the prophecy was a little bit screwy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What about, like, I don't know, like, there's so much that aren't in any of those prophecies, like... | ||
| Like, uh, custard. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| Well, I don't know. | ||
| Maybe custard existed back then. | ||
| What am I trying to think of? | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| I don't know where custard came from at all. | ||
| French fries? | ||
| They did not have those. | ||
| Pizza? | ||
| That's true. | ||
| They didn't even have France back then. | ||
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I don't know. | |
| I don't know what I'm trying to get at. | ||
| They were called gall fries back then. | ||
| There were some things that were missing in terms of it being a wormhole vision of the present. | ||
| But yeah, I don't know. | ||
| I just think it's unfair for Alex to be like, it could be 100 years, could be an hour. | ||
| Get your popcorn out. | ||
| You might die before it starts, but you'll have the popcorn ready. | ||
| The devil's here, and it's happening, and it's happening fast. | ||
| Or in 100 years. | ||
| And who knows? | ||
| So, the big news is vaccine-related on Sunday, and it's that Australia has ended its COVID development program. | ||
| So now here's the big announcement. | ||
| A month ago, Australia suspends nationwide their entire vaccine program because it makes people deathly ill, killed a bunch of people, and they came up positive for HIV. | ||
| What? | ||
| Can we put that on screen, please, for TV viewers? | ||
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| Now, ladies and gentlemen, last Tuesday, seems like 100 years ago, Merck, the largest pharma company in the world, says we are ending our vaccine program. | ||
| It does not work. | ||
| We believe you cannot make a vaccine that works to cure the common cold, and that's what this is, except it's Chimera with even more mutations, so it's even more impossible. | ||
| Alex is sort of editorializing on what these companies have said. | ||
| He's adding a little bit there on his own. | ||
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A little bit. | |
| Yeah, I would say that wasn't a direct quotation. | ||
| Yeah, the other problem, too, is that these are all different vaccines. | ||
| There is that. | ||
| Like, the one in Australia was developed by the University of Queensland and a biotech firm called CSL. | ||
| And the ones at Merck are different, the ones they were working on, and those are also different than the Pfizer and the Moderna ones. | ||
| Nah, they're all fake. | ||
| It's all fake vaccines. | ||
| Alex is treating them like they're all the same thing. | ||
| They're all the same thing! | ||
| It's a syringe with some liquid in it, Dan. | ||
| It's the same shit. | ||
| It's very weird. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's a weird perspective to have. | ||
| It's kind of like he doesn't understand anything about them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So I actually lied to you. | ||
| That's not the news. | ||
| That's the preface for the news. | ||
| The big news has to do with Emmanuel Macron. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| French president has come out and said some things. | ||
| Who came out yesterday? | ||
| Macron, a top globalist. | ||
| But he understands that this is such a crime, he'll be torn limb from limb. | ||
| The riots are gigantic. | ||
| All their scientists are coming out saying this is insane. | ||
| The top ones! | ||
| Including the discoverer of HIV, who's a French scientist. | ||
| And saying it's man-made in a lab, it's a power grab. | ||
| I told you months ago, I talked to the head of a major biotech company that has real gene therapy. | ||
| That cures things like colon cancer. | ||
| They also sell pillows? | ||
| And he said, you're absolutely right, it's a giant total takeover. | ||
| The vaccine will destroy and sterilize women, and it will kill your immune system or turn it way off the charts and give you cancer. | ||
| But they need to want to come on the show. | ||
| Oh, too bad. | ||
| Yeah, for somebody with knowledge that could potentially save millions of people? | ||
| It seems like he would want to get that information out there. | ||
| Yeah, I guess he's now responsible for... | ||
| I'm pretty sure he's killed us all. | ||
| So, French President Macron said that the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine appears to be, quote, quasi-ineffective in people older than 65, which is a claim that scientists have strongly rebutted. | ||
| What about the top ones, though? | ||
| I don't know what that means. | ||
| Macron did not come out against the vaccine or vaccination, nor is he trying to save himself from being torn limb from limb. | ||
| Also, this is not the same vaccine as the ones put out by Pfizer and Moderna, which are the ones that are currently available in the United States. | ||
| The claims that Alex is making are absurd, and it's super convenient that this big-time specialist with magical medical technology won't come on the show, but honestly, this is just dumb. | ||
| One of the things that's the most dumb about this, drumroll please, Jordan. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Good enough. | ||
| The AstraZeneca vaccine that Macron is talking about isn't an mRNA vaccine. | ||
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| But Alex doesn't know that. | ||
| If you were a member of the Infowars audience, you would think that all these vaccines that were getting developed were all the same thing, as if a ton of companies were just racing to finish the same recipe. | ||
| But that's not the case. | ||
| These are different approaches being taken with varying levels of success and setbacks. | ||
| Alex doesn't understand the basics of the topics he's covering, and he doesn't care to, because his work is not meant to reflect reality. | ||
| It's meant to push an agenda. | ||
| And this is just really sad, because all his ideas are about mRNA vaccines being different than vaccines, and that's why this is particularly evil, and Macron knows that, and that's why he's getting rid of this Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine that it turns out isn't an mRNA vaccine, but Alex doesn't know that. | ||
| Macron claims... | ||
| That the vaccine that they were going to use as an mRNA vaccine, AstraZeneca, is almost ineffective in over 65s. | ||
| Alex doesn't know shit. | ||
| He doesn't know anything. | ||
| He's talking out of his ass, and so this is how arguments get made. | ||
| So, Australia, Merck, France, does not work, does not work, does not work, does not work, does not work, does not work. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| That's the level of shit he's bringing to the table. | ||
| That's compelling. | ||
| That is compelling. | ||
| I remember going to my first year. | ||
| I didn't originally start out in literature. | ||
| I originally started out in audio production. | ||
| And I was there, and I was looking at the board, going through all this stuff, and I remember my teacher screaming at me, It works! | ||
| It works! | ||
| It works! | ||
| I think that part of the game that's being played here is like, the audience is obviously humans. | ||
| And they think that if someone is yelling this... | ||
| Repeatedly. | ||
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So strongly. | |
| Over and over again. | ||
| So definitively. | ||
| He believes it. | ||
| He can't possibly be making this up. | ||
| How could you be this confident and make something up at the same time? | ||
| People can't do that. | ||
| It's not possible, Dan. | ||
| It's simply inconceivable. | ||
| And, unfortunately. | ||
| Here we are. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, Alex has some staggering statistics about this vaccine that I would beg him to demonstrate. | ||
| Guess who the vaccine's killing? | ||
| Not just the famous baseball player, Hank Aaron. | ||
| The vaccine killed him? | ||
| 20-year-olds, 50-year-olds, 60-year-olds, 30-year-olds take it and die before they even leave the clinic. | ||
| They collapse and then have a convulsion and bye-bye an hour later. | ||
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Bye-bye, bluebird. | |
| But it gets even more insane. | ||
| I mean, this is absolutely the biggest criminal power grab ever. | ||
| They are reporting in hospitals and in nursing homes that up to 5% of the patients are dying within a week when they take the mRNA shot. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| 5% fatality rate? | ||
| Alex, you need to demonstrate this. | ||
| That's an outrageous claim. | ||
| This is an arrestable offense. | ||
| That is a legit, like, there should be a legal... | ||
| I mean... | ||
| That's insane. | ||
| You could. | ||
| I mean, you need to somehow demonstrate that, like, Him saying that people believed it and it led to harm. | ||
| But I don't think that that... | ||
| Like, I don't know how you'd prove it, but I believe it. | ||
| Like, I believe that that causes harm. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Without question. | ||
| 5% mortality rate? | ||
| Without question. | ||
| That's outrageous. | ||
| That's fucked up. | ||
| So fucked up. | ||
| That's a made-up number. | ||
| That would be the number one story in history. | ||
| The culmination of all of humanity's knowledge about infectious disease results in 5% of people dying immediately. | ||
| Yeah, I don't think that you get to make claims like that willy-nilly. | ||
| And he is. | ||
| Yeah, if you can't yell fire in a crowded theater, you can't tell everybody that they're going to die. | ||
| So the vaccines are a bioweapon, apparently. | ||
| And I would like to stress this important point that I've brought up, that I don't think that Alex knows or cares that these vaccines are all different vaccines, and some are not mRNA vaccines, like he thinks. | ||
| They're closing in to shut everybody down right now. | ||
| We have to expose they're behind this. | ||
| We have to expose the criminal takeover plan, and we have to get world leaders starting with governors. | ||
| And starting with senators to come out and point this out and it's game over. | ||
| Well, what do you think Merck knows? | ||
| What do you think Macron knows? | ||
| What do you think the Australians know suspending their vaccine programs because it, quote, does not work and hurts people? | ||
| Quote? | ||
| Because it does work, Macron. | ||
| It does work, Merck. | ||
| It does work, Australia. | ||
| It's a frickin' bioweapon. | ||
| The mRNA vaccines are gene therapy. | ||
| And they train your body to attack a protein that's in the placenta. | ||
| All four of the damn things are the same thing. | ||
| Well, one of them, at least, that you were bringing up isn't an mRNA vaccine. | ||
| Well, there's that problem. | ||
| And that whole thing about attacking the placenta is nonsense. | ||
| There is that. | ||
| I just, I don't know. | ||
| This is desperate. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Anyway, we don't have time for us to all wait. | ||
| The inevitable thing that's gonna happen, as has always happened, is that Alex says something, it sounds silly, and then 20 years later, what do you know? | ||
| Alex is right. | ||
| Always comes true. | ||
| Always. | ||
| We're living in exactly what Alex predicted we would be in 1991. | ||
| If there's one thing I've learned from doing this podcast, it's... | ||
| Don't ever doubt Alex. | ||
| His shit stands up to scrutiny. | ||
| True. | ||
| He's right almost all the time. | ||
| Even when it contradicts other things he's almost always right about. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Being very facetious, never believe Alex. | ||
| He's very dumb, and mostly is just talking shit. | ||
| Half the time, he doesn't even remember the shit he says. | ||
| Doesn't care. | ||
| But we don't have time to wait for him to be proven right. | ||
| We need to act on the things that he's saying now, and just trust that in 20 years we'll look back and be like, thank God we listened to Alex. | ||
| I just don't trust people who make me want, who say I should do that. | ||
| No. | ||
| Very, very dangerous types. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We don't have time for people to say 20 years later Alex Jones was right again. | ||
| Or a year later. | ||
| We've got to get that it's not about who's right. | ||
| The enemy has written books and laid out their plans. | ||
| Of course I know their plans. | ||
| It's so easy to beat them. | ||
| It's a complete criminal takeover. | ||
| They said in Operation Lockstep, 11 years ago, Rockefeller Foundation, with John Hopkins, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, go read it. | ||
| It's online. | ||
| We did. | ||
| They bring in a planetary police state by disease X, something like a weaponized cold virus. | ||
| And that there'd be no way to ever defeat it, and we could teach people to be tracked, controlled, and locked down, and that new variants would show up all the time so that the lockdown would never end. | ||
| It's just making that shit up. | ||
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Yep. | |
| So yeah, I don't know. | ||
| Disease X actually has adamantium clauses. | ||
| True. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| In 20 years, we'll look back and be like, wow, I can't believe that this was okay. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That this guy got away with this shit. | ||
| That's my prediction. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So, if you want to look at, like, what he's saying now and sort of think about, like, okay, you think that you're going to be proven right about everything. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Here's the kind of shit he's saying. | ||
| This is an exact plan. | ||
| They teach in elementary school in Germany, we've played the actual training videos, that when you're seven years old, you should be prepared to marry a Muslim by 14. You should be dating a Muslim by 10. And that Muslims will be the future of Europe and that Christianity's bad. | ||
| I can show you those newscasts if you like. | ||
| I would like to see those newscasts. | ||
| I would like to see those. | ||
| Don't think you can. | ||
| That would be a very funny video to share on the internet. | ||
| Where the Germans are teaching elementary school kids, hey, you're behind if you're not dating a Muslim by fourth grade. | ||
| Hey, 11-year-old, what are you doing single? | ||
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You old maid. | |
| You old maid. | ||
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You'll never get married at this rate. | |
| You're in sixth grade. | ||
| You should just get some cats. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I say that as somebody who has a cat and I love my cat and there's nothing wrong with having cats. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| This is the kind of shit that Alex says. | ||
| Horribly bigoted nonsense. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Anyway, the globalists, as we know. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Ten years behind. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Always. | ||
| They might just be a few years behind now. | ||
| What about plan B? | ||
| Plan B, Alex. | ||
| Forgotten about? | ||
| Never said that stuff. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Didn't happen. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| They're behind. | ||
| Listen to this. | ||
| I have a lot of thoughts on the other side of this. | ||
| All right. | ||
| And here's the deal. | ||
| They were supposed to have the whole internet shut down with independent media like us before they did this. | ||
| They weren't planning to launch this for a couple years. | ||
| They launched this early because they're behind schedules. | ||
| They thought they'd catch up by launching early. | ||
| What? | ||
| Some future plans. | ||
| What? | ||
| But all these different globalists know that everyone hates them now. | ||
| I mean, Bill Gates is the most hated man on Earth. | ||
| Then it's Klaus Schwab. | ||
| Then it's Macron. | ||
| Then it's the British Prime Minister that turned out to be a total traitor, Boris Johnson. | ||
| So he's talking about the releasing of COVID. | ||
| Release the COVID. | ||
| He actually even says that. | ||
| Release the COVID. | ||
| The idea that he's putting forth is that the globalists were a few years behind, and so they had to pick up some time. | ||
| Super evil worldwide organization that has orchestrated everything, still a few years behind. | ||
| And this is a plan that goes back to the devil and the beginning of history, thousands of years back. | ||
| I do appreciate that the devil cannot keep a timetable. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Just behind a little bit. | ||
| Just behind. | ||
| He's the devil. | ||
| What, is he going to work hard? | ||
| I mean, in the song, he's behind. | ||
| That's why he got kicked out of heaven. | ||
| That's why he went to Georgia. | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| They have a real slow pace down there. | ||
| Yeah, he's way behind. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Looking to make a deal. | ||
| So, this plan that is millennia old and has to do with Trump staying in office or something. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| They're behind on it. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| They're behind on this evil plan. | ||
| And so they decide to release COVID a couple years early. | ||
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Sure. | |
| A couple years early, because they've got to make up that time. | ||
| What's the point of having a plan? | ||
| What's the point of a few years? | ||
| Honestly, if you have a millennia-old plan and you're only a few years off 6,000 years later or whatever, that's really efficient, honestly. | ||
| No one's going to remember that. | ||
| That's really efficient. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| A few years in this scale of time is meaningless. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You're at a work project. | ||
| It's supposed to last a year, and you're three months behind. | ||
| People are furious at you. | ||
| Right. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So they released COVID a couple years earlier to pick up. | ||
| Pick up some time. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Seems dumb. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Seems stupid. | ||
| Hey, guys, we're not ready yet for this plan that's going to end the world. | ||
| I figure we just go for it. | ||
| Yeah, why not? | ||
| Yeah, we got a 50-50 shot. | ||
| So now the problem is that Alex is still on air. | ||
| They were meant to have the internet cracked down by the time that they released this thing. | ||
| Right. | ||
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So... | |
| So why didn't they? | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| I didn't get a reason for why they did. | ||
| That's my problem. | ||
| Why are they behind? | ||
| Why didn't they shut down? | ||
| Can they not? | ||
| So the goal and the motivation is to make up some lost time. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But... | ||
| The plan that they're engaging in requires that the internet be shut down to be pulled off successfully. | ||
| Correct. | ||
| So why would they do this thing to catch up on time that they don't have one of the essential pieces in place for? | ||
| Right. | ||
| So dumb. | ||
| Okay, so here's our plan. | ||
| It can only be stopped if we allow independent media to reveal our plans and stop everything. | ||
| By the way, I'm glad we're having this meeting. | ||
| That is a crucial first step. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| In terms of us being able to pull off this nefarious part. | ||
| I would argue it's the only step we can take. | ||
| If we wanted to go early, it would only be that one. | ||
| I'm glad we're all on the same page. | ||
| Yeah, so release the COVID. | ||
| Alex will destroy our plans. | ||
| Certainly. | ||
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And we will not only not make up time, we will lose time. | |
| We will be set back. | ||
| We'll lose forever. | ||
| We'll be set back to devil times. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Our plan will have to go. | ||
| We're going to have to do a page one rewrite on this evil plan. | ||
| John of Patnos is about to marvel at our great beast and then he's just going to go back in and the seals are going to close again because we forgot to shut down the internet. | ||
| Fuck. | ||
| Damn it. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| This is on us. | ||
| We can't claim ignorance on this one. | ||
| We knew that Alex was going to fuck us up. | ||
| I do like that there are exit interviews for the higher echelons. | ||
| Just like, sorry guys, this one's on me. | ||
| This one's my bad. | ||
| I'll take credit for it. | ||
| So anyway, just catalog this in the Alex's plans of the globalists make no sense. | ||
| Yeah, they're real bad at what they do. | ||
| They're real bad. | ||
| Yeah, it's almost like he's making it all up. | ||
| So, one of the things that got everyone really excited over the weekend was there was a piece in the Wall Street Journal about Alex being involved in the funding of the... | ||
| Stop the Steal January 6th. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And I read that article and I don't think that Alex comes off looking that terrible. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| It's just, you know, organizing and fundraising and stuff. | ||
| I think Ali Alexander obviously looks like way more of a creep. | ||
| That's kind of because he is. | ||
| He's a real dangerous lunatic. | ||
| But somebody should give him a radio show and then maybe the profit incentive will keep him from being too much of an asshole. | ||
| Possibly. | ||
| Alex responds to this piece in the Wall Street Journal and I think he responds exactly how I did. | ||
| And that is, I said all of that stuff on air. | ||
| So there's hundreds of articles and TV shows all breathlessly. | ||
| All breathlessly saying, oh, January 6th rally funded by top Trump donor, helped by Alex Jones, organizers say. | ||
| And it's word for word, but I said day one. | ||
| Trump wanted to rally the 6th. | ||
| Nobody would step up with the money. | ||
| I stepped up. | ||
| Put 80-something thousand dollars down to try to secure the venues. | ||
| The Park Service won't even let you authorize the permit unless you show you're going to have security and port-a-potties and all the stuff. | ||
| And then a well-known donor heard I was doing it in contact and I was handing them over to big Republican fundraisers and to them. | ||
| And they tried to turn that into a big conspiracy that I was planning to try to do all of this. | ||
| So that we could storm the Capitol. | ||
| From my perspective, I think Alex is kind of right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But I think that this reveals a couple of really funny things. | ||
| First of all, just the idea that he's like, why are they... | ||
| I said this. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And he did. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's constantly said this. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| A lot of the stuff that's in that Wall Street Journal article and the sort of revelations of it are things that you would know if you listened to InfoWars. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Now, the thing that I think is really funny is... | ||
| Like, let's say January 8th, Alex has been talking about this and that he had paid for part of this rally. | ||
| There's that. | ||
| The Wall Street Journal would never report on that because it's just Alex saying it. | ||
| That's fair. | ||
| That is fair. | ||
| Alex is an unreliable witness. | ||
| I can't believe anything this guy says. | ||
| Our source is Alex Jones and it's about Alex Jones and I don't believe a word of it. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| So there's a story in the Wall Street Journal now because someone else said it. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I think that would almost be something that Alex should be called as a witness at Trump's impeachment trial. | ||
| He thinks he's going to be. | ||
| I mean, he did just say that Trump told him, you know, I didn't have a hard time. | ||
| He's putting himself in the center of that impeachment trial because of this Wall Street Journal piece. | ||
| But he's also saying, like, they'll never call me as a witness because I tried to stop the storming. | ||
| Oh, I'll call him as a witness. | ||
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I'll call you as a witness any day of the week, buddy. | |
| I want to get you in that stand. | ||
| Oh, it'd be fun. | ||
| Only way to make the impeachment trial more ludicrous would be to invite Alex Jones. | ||
| Alex, can I remind you you're under oath? | ||
| I don't even know what that means! | ||
| Yeah, so I think it's really funny that a lot of the underlying information of this article is stuff that was public. | ||
| Prior, but also maybe bullshit. | ||
| Not proven. | ||
| Because it's from Alex. | ||
| Yeah, it's not proven. | ||
| And so the second thing that I think is really funny is that the article says, quote, Mr. Jones personally pledged more than $50,000 in seed money for a planned January 6th event in exchange for a guaranteed top speaking slot of his choice, according to a funding document outlining a deal between his company and an early organizer for the event. | ||
| So Alex was doing pay-to-play. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| He was putting down money in order to get a speaking slot. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| That's wild. | ||
| That's kind of embarrassing. | ||
| That's sad. | ||
| In the article, it seems like that's him paying for access. | ||
| Yeah, there's clout and there's money, and you don't have clout. | ||
| And there was no way that Alex was going to get a speaking slot at Trump's actual event. | ||
| No, good God, no. | ||
| So, I mean, I figure he did speak the night before. | ||
| That might have been what he paid for. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah, kind of a bummer, but I do think that those two things in the Wall Street Journal article are pretty funny. | ||
| The unreliability of Alex to even speak about his own life, and the fact that he has to pay to get a speaking slot. | ||
| It is weird how you can both fall so far and yet at the same time inspire a literal overthrowing of a country. | ||
| It is. | ||
| That's an interesting up-and-down kind of scenario there. | ||
| It is interesting. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So we end this episode now, Jordan, with... | ||
| evidence of why Alex should never have to pay to speak somewhere as long as he's forced to speak over a certain song. | ||
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You can feel it. | |
| You can taste it. | ||
| You can see it. | ||
| You can face it. | ||
| You can face it. | ||
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You can hear it. | |
| I understand powerful men. | ||
| Most of them never do anything in their lives because they're ashamed of their power. | ||
| They don't want to force their way to the front. | ||
| They're humble. | ||
| They love their family. | ||
| They love their friends. | ||
| They love their community. | ||
| And so they defer to others. | ||
| You can't do that. | ||
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You belong in charge. | |
| You belong in charge of your life, your family, your destiny. | ||
| And if you don't take control, This evil, corrupt system that's laughing at us will. | ||
| I call on men to start acting like men. | ||
| I call on men to follow the basic code God wrote on your soul and to stop following what fallen men have put out because they're not following God. | ||
| They are following the fallen one. | ||
| All right. | ||
| You know, I didn't just have all these articles and all these video clips as props. | ||
| Yes, you did. | ||
| Yes, you absolutely did. | ||
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| That's why you would say that! | ||
| Of course. | ||
| That was not the best work he's done over that song, but pretty okay. | ||
| There were moments of flickering passion. | ||
| I would listen to a cover album of him sing talking what he thinks the lyrics to songs are. | ||
| I don't want him to do that. | ||
| Although I do think that would be interesting as a side project. | ||
| I want an album of just that song, 12 tracks, just that song, but different days, Alex just freestyling whatever is on his mind. | ||
| This is like a great thesis at the beginning of this. | ||
| I know about powerful men. | ||
| Go from there. | ||
| Go for it. | ||
| Just see what happens. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Just write it. | ||
| You love that goddamn saxophone. | ||
| Everybody loves that goddamn saxophone. | ||
| I'm talking about Alex. | ||
| He loves that saxophone. | ||
| Oh, he does. | ||
| It does something to him. | ||
| It does something to me. | ||
| We were both dancing. | ||
| I didn't hear much of what he said. | ||
| I was too busy singing along. | ||
| That is a sultry-ass song. | ||
| It is a great... | ||
| It's a track. | ||
| It's a banger of a track. | ||
| I mean, it's no Zamfir, the Lonely Shepherd. | ||
| But, yeah, it clearly puts Alex into some kind of a zone where it's like... | ||
| It's time to blow hard. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| It's time to be... | ||
| No narratives right now. | ||
| I'm just going with straight, inspirational, fucking clear eyes, full hearts, belong to the city. | ||
| I can see the horizon. | ||
| Yeah, 100%. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Alex talks a bunch about being able to kick himself into a psychic state, and I don't believe that, but... | ||
| That song kicks him into something. | ||
| Something. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So we come to the end of this exploration, Jordan, and I'm left with sort of a bad taste in my mouth for Alex and his January 6th narratives. | ||
| I think it'll be interesting to see as we get closer to the impeachment how Alex keeps probably trying to egg Trump into turning it into some kind of a circus. | ||
| And what ends up happening with that will be... | ||
| Fascinating to watch Alex deal with. | ||
| But I do worry about his malleability. | ||
| The fact that he can have these people, the Boogaloos, that he decided were a FBI cutout group, and he said he'd proved all this, and then have two of them on to manipulate him and embarrass him in different ways. | ||
| So easy. | ||
| It's just, it's a mess. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I imagine that this is... | ||
| I think what scares me most about this is how easily they are hand-waving away what even Alex was like. | ||
| This is going to fuck everything up. | ||
| Alex is like, I gotta back away from this. | ||
| I know this is bad for me. | ||
| I know that this January 6th takeover of the fucking country is bad for me. | ||
| And it takes two weeks for people to convince me that, hey, you guys are great. | ||
| That's not good. | ||
| Well, no, because he's trying to have it both ways, too. | ||
| He's trying to retain that this was bad, but also all of the actors who were actually involved in it... | ||
| Aren't bad. | ||
| There were just a few people in their organizations who were secret globalists who were trying to make them look bad. | ||
| It's too complicated. | ||
| No, he's still trying to run interference for people who are going to do what he wants them to do. | ||
| Yeah, in the same way that Stuart Rhodes is going to still fundraise for his Oathkeeper folks who stormed the Capitol, Alex is making it very clear that if you kiss the ring, sort of, or if you'll play ball a little bit, I will pretend that all the members of your group who do bad things are not really part of your group. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| And that's stupid. | ||
| That's fucked up. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| But expected. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| Anyway, sorry the episode's late. | ||
| We'll be back with another episode at the end of the week. | ||
| Indeed. | ||
| But until then, Jordan, we have a website. | ||
| We do have a website. | ||
| It's KnowledgeFight.com. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| We're also on Twitter. | ||
| We are also on Twitter. | ||
| It's at KnowledgeFight and I go to bed, Jordan. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We'll be on Facebook. | ||
| We'll be on Facebook someday. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But in iTunes, and if you could, please find a local charity or bail fund in your area. | ||
| Yeah, we'll be back. | ||
| But until then, I'm Neo. | ||
| I'm Leo. | ||
| I'm DZX Clark. | ||
| I'm Daryl Rundis. | ||
| I'm the juiciest Ice Cube. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
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I'm a huge fan. | |
| I love your work. |