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Aug. 14, 2020 - Knowledge Fight
01:35:12
#469: August 12-13, 2020

Today, Dan and Jordan discuss the last couple of days on the Alex Jones Show. In this installment, Jordan almost loses his mind laughing at the show's ineptitude, Alex finds a "new witch guy," and explains that he believes some groups of people are more susceptible to demon possession than others.

Participants
Main voices
a
alex jones
11:19
d
dan friesen
53:03
j
jordan holmes
17:17
Appearances
a
ali alexander
02:00
Clips
d
deanna lorraine
00:13
k
kamala harris
00:20
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Speaker Time Text
unidentified
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
Dan and Jordan.
knowledge fight.
Need money.
Andy in Kansas.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
Stop it.
Andy in Kansas.
Andy in Kansas.
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air.
unidentified
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody!
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
alex jones
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk just a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan!
Jordan!
jordan holmes
Quick question for you.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot this week?
dan friesen
Well, my bright spot today can be found in a very special location.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
That is inside...
jordan holmes
In the mailbag?
dan friesen
You bet.
Oh, boy.
jordan holmes
Holy cow, you brought out the mailbag quick.
dan friesen
Actually, I don't know who to give a thank you to on this, because it did not come with a name, but someone sent a SodaStream machine.
So I can make my own seltzers.
jordan holmes
It was going to happen someday.
dan friesen
I was worried that it might...
I have gone to Target a number of times in the past, and I've walked past the aisle of the Soda Stream, and I'm like, wow, I need to get one.
unidentified
Well, obviously.
dan friesen
But I could never get myself to make the jump.
For a number of reasons.
One is because I'm known for novelty purchases that are like, why did I do that?
Sure, sure, sure.
Waffle makers in the past.
unidentified
Of course.
dan friesen
And thankfully those are very cheap, but I couldn't commit to the idea of a purchase of a SodaStream and one showed up.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I thought that was really cool.
There were no flavorings in it, so I have to go and get some and then I'll test it out.
jordan holmes
How does it work?
Can you just SodaStream anything?
dan friesen
I wouldn't.
jordan holmes
Can you just, like, put anything in there and see what happens?
dan friesen
I think you could, yeah.
jordan holmes
I think you can, right?
dan friesen
Yeah, I think you could make, like, soda more fizzy.
jordan holmes
Right!
So can you...
dan friesen
I think you could.
jordan holmes
What can't you turn into a seltzer?
dan friesen
I was worried about those sorts of thoughts.
Because they inevitably lead to fizzy milk and these sorts of things.
I think that's a dangerous road to go down.
I'd prefer not to explore it if possible.
jordan holmes
And that's why we got you a SodaStream.
To make it inevitable and impossible to avoid.
dan friesen
We'll see.
Please send me an email so I can give you a proper thank you.
I do appreciate it very much.
And I look forward to...
Going crazy!
unidentified
Yeah!
jordan holmes
I'm excited to!
dan friesen
With carbonated coffee!
jordan holmes
I can't wait for late night 3am texts like, did you know that you could put this in seltzer for him?
dan friesen
Jordan!
How about you?
jordan holmes
Oh man, this is sad.
You may feel like it's insignificant and small, but I've rediscovered my utter joy with extra crunchy peanut butter, Dan.
dan friesen
It's not that small.
jordan holmes
Well, the problem is...
My partner has a peanut allergy.
dan friesen
Oh, that is a problem.
jordan holmes
So for several years, I have forsworn all peanut butter.
And now, at this point in time, she's like, you're gonna die without peanut butter.
I can't live with you.
COVID, etc.
And so here we are.
dan friesen
You find that your mood is drastically altered by not having peanut butter?
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
I found the same thing with ketchup for me.
I don't know what it is.
If I go months without ketchup, I end up becoming a real asshole.
I found that out when I was in Greece.
There wasn't a lot of ketchup around.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And I got some, and I was like, I don't know, lycopene, maybe?
You must be missing some amino acid or something that's in the peanut butter.
jordan holmes
Something that can only exist in peanut butter.
dan friesen
What about, like, cashew butter?
jordan holmes
Is she allergic to cashews?
What about cashew butter, Dan?
dan friesen
You can't go for cashew butter?
jordan holmes
Have you tasted cashew butter?
dan friesen
What about cookie butter?
jordan holmes
Lies?
What about lies?
Is that what you're telling me?
dan friesen
You should try another butter.
Okay.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
Just trying to figure out a way to help your domestic situation.
jordan holmes
Let me tell you something.
I have eaten several hundred peanut butter and jelly sandwiches in the past week.
dan friesen
Ooh, I have something here you should try.
jordan holmes
Oh, what's that?
dan friesen
A little thing that I got at the grocery store.
PB&J Bites.
jordan holmes
PB&J Bites.
dan friesen
Yeah, you should give this a try.
A little novelty food that I found.
jordan holmes
Let's see how this works.
dan friesen
I think that this was a little bit weird, but I found it enjoyable.
It's a little bit of like a shell, sort of a pillowy shell that's covered in like...
Basically like a dusting of peanut flour and then strawberry jam on the inside.
jordan holmes
That's fantastic.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's pretty good.
jordan holmes
It's perfect.
dan friesen
Yeah, I enjoy that.
jordan holmes
It reminds me of a crunchier Uncrustable.
Do you remember the Uncrustables, the pre-made?
dan friesen
Oh, yeah.
Now, here's what's fun about this.
Some people might think that we cut.
And I went to the kitchen and grabbed these snacks.
jordan holmes
Oh, good God.
dan friesen
No, no.
unidentified
No, no, no.
dan friesen
If you want to know how Knowledge Fight is recorded, I have some snacks on my desk.
jordan holmes
There are snacks on my desk.
dan friesen
They just so happened to me what I was snacking on earlier.
jordan holmes
Convenience.
dan friesen
I'm sorry that that wasn't all that crunchy.
No.
No, it was delicious.
But I'm glad that you were rediscovering that love.
jordan holmes
Fantastic.
dan friesen
I, myself, am rediscovering my love of Alex Jones and this stupid nonsense.
Not entirely true, I just wanted to transition.
But today, Jordan, we're going to be going over the time period of August 12th and 13th, 2020.
I'm Dan, this is 2020.
unidentified
Goddammit.
dan friesen
Here is the part of the show where I will copy and paste my lecture from the last time Alex went viral.
And I tried to explain to everybody that, hey, this just works in his advantage.
You just got a video that went around that got 12 million views.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
It was great.
Thanks, Patton.
Thanks for your help, Oswalt.
dan friesen
Hey, nothing against Patton.
I understand the instinct.
And it is funny.
It's so funny.
The tiny bullhorn is hilarious.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
Remember when we were talking about it on Monday's episode?
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
This seems like it's a joke.
jordan holmes
It has to.
dan friesen
Maybe it was.
It's possible.
I don't think Alex or any of his producers are that smart.
They're like, Use a tiny bullhorn.
People will make fun of you.
There's no way there's that much craft involved in trolling.
One thing I wanted to tweet, but I feel like it's just so scoldy and not really what I feel introduces much to the conversation.
You all love this, and I do too.
It's very funny.
It's a tiny bullhorn.
Alex is acting like an asshole.
jordan holmes
It's a tiny bullhorn, Dan.
dan friesen
You want to shame him for yelling at these kids who are disinterested at Barton Springs or the Greenbelt or whatever, and I understand that.
You will not shame him.
No, you can't.
jordan holmes
You don't win.
dan friesen
There is no shame that is going to come from this.
The ultimate goal isn't going to end up being reached.
A more productive use of people's time right now, if you want to have tweets that are getting thousands of retweets, is making everyone aware that right now Alex is dancing around saying that COVID deaths are fake people.
Something like that.
Because that has implications.
That has implications in terms of his life.
That is real.
That is serious.
That is dangerous.
jordan holmes
You want to get rid of him, right?
dan friesen
There you go.
He's in the middle of a lawsuit with Sandy Hook for saying that these people were crisis actors and all that.
His ability to try and pretend that he's learned his lesson, because that's something he's going to have to try and present in the case.
jordan holmes
He's going to have to.
dan friesen
He's like, I realized that I was being misled by X, Y, and Z people like Wolfgang Halbig.
That ability to play that card diminishes when you recognize, oh, he's doing very similar things again without the influence of people like Jim Fetz or Wolfgang Halbig.
He can do this all on his own, and it erodes his ability to defend himself from those sorts of things.
So I feel like that would be a more productive, but...
jordan holmes
It seems like, honestly, that's something that the families could add right now to their deal.
It's just literally like, hey, as another piece of evidence, we're tossing in this fact right now.
You haven't ruled.
We haven't even gone to trial yet.
So guess what?
He's doing it now in 2020.
dan friesen
I think in terms of showing of character, showing of any kind of...
jordan holmes
Remorse?
dan friesen
Remorse or growth or any...
I don't know how much that would implicate the actual trial itself, but yeah, I think it is relevant.
jordan holmes
Yeah, totally.
dan friesen
It's damning in terms of his claims that like, oh, you know, I just got tricked by...
or whatever.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
It's all their fault.
It's Dan Badandi's fault or whatever.
Yeah, it's like, no, but...
I think that that would be a more productive thing for everybody to be pushing out on social media.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
That said, there's no tiny bullhorn in that.
And I understand why people naturally gravitate towards video that's exciting, that's enticing, that's a bit embarrassing.
That you would be embarrassed if that was you.
unidentified
Of course.
dan friesen
You think that that's going to rub off on someone like Alex, and it's just not.
And so, I don't know.
Again, this is very unsatisfying, but that's maybe the...
Tagline of our show.
Oh, man.
jordan holmes
That's too apt.
dan friesen
I get why people do this, and I'm not mad at them.
I'm not scolding anybody.
I'm not shaming anybody for engaging in fun, tiny bullhorn mockery.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
I just think that if people really want to address the problem, they need to get a little bit smarter about these things.
And a lot of people who are putting this stuff out, like these large Twitter accounts, they probably don't know.
That someone like Alex has no shame and this doesn't matter and it's not going to hurt him in any way.
jordan holmes
I am unsurprised that Patton Oswalt does not listen to our show, Dan.
That does not shock me.
dan friesen
We are one step removed from Patton, quite frankly.
We are.
jordan holmes
Honestly.
We are.
Come on, man.
You know who you are.
Get to work.
dan friesen
There's two different things here.
There are two types of responses that I have to social media things.
Like, with this, I get it.
I understand.
No sour on anybody.
But there's better ways to go about this.
And more important things about Alex that people should know right now.
The flip side of this is the accusations about Alex burning that homeless person's mattress.
That person experiencing homelessness's mattress.
That was bad.
That is just like, well, you're giving him...
jordan holmes
You're done fucked up.
dan friesen
That one is an unforced error.
This is just...
I get it, but it's free promotion for him in an opportunity to actually hurt his business.
jordan holmes
I think, okay, here's what we do.
We create our own Chinese firewall around Alex Jones' entire operation.
So any information that gets out through the rest of the world...
It's filtered through our prism.
dan friesen
Well, another way to do this might be I could just start actually tweeting things.
jordan holmes
Ooh, that would be a good idea!
Then we could do the viral thing!
dan friesen
I mean, we...
I don't...
I have such a resistance to doing anything that's like primarily motivated with attention gathering that I just...
But at the end of the day, if that's a perspective that I want people to take more seriously, maybe that's something I should...
Get over and do.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Be the change you want to see in the Alex Jones world.
dan friesen
It's something I'm wrestling with.
Maybe we have to use social media after all.
jordan holmes
We'll see.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, we're going to get down to business on today's episode.
jordan holmes
Yes, sir.
dan friesen
We will see multiple instances of Alex Loving going viral.
Of course he does.
But before we get down to that, let's take a little moment to say thank you to some folks who have signed up and are supporting the show.
So first, Nate V., thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Nate.
dan friesen
Thanks, Nate.
Next, Manuel R. I know Manuel.
Thank you so much, Manuel.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Manuel.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, RKLover13.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, RKLover.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, Bandit is the best dog.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Hey, Bandit.
unidentified
Good boy.
Good boy.
jordan holmes
Disagree.
unidentified
Good boy.
jordan holmes
I got Fanny.
dan friesen
No.
Oh, Fanny sucks.
unidentified
Oh, no!
dan friesen
She has to wear a diaper.
jordan holmes
She did for a while.
She's fine now.
dan friesen
Next, Michelle H. Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Michelle.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, Mike S. Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Mike.
unidentified
Thank you.
dan friesen
Next, Alex M. Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Alex.
dan friesen
Thank you.
And then finally, let's say thank you to a few people who donated on an elevated level.
We appreciate that very much.
So first, Sean R.D. Thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
Aaron V. Thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
And Frederico CD.
I'm a policy wonk.
alex jones
Crikey, mate, that's fantastic.
Have yourself a brew.
How's your 401k doing, bro?
All right, we got to go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, all right?
Let's just get down to business.
We ain't making that money off that heroin.
Why are you pimps so good?
My neck is freakishly large.
I declare...
Infowar on you!
dan friesen
Thank you so much, Sean!
Thank you so much, Aaron!
And thank you so much, Federico!
jordan holmes
Yes, thank you very much, all of you!
dan friesen
If you're out there listening and you're thinking, hey, I enjoyed the show, I'd like to support these gents, you can do that by going to our website, knowledgefight.com, clicking the button that says support the show, or you can take that generosity...
unidentified
Uh-huh.
jordan holmes
Here we go.
dan friesen
Tie it up in a...
jordan holmes
I want to go with Saran Wrap?
dan friesen
What are you going to do with it then?
jordan holmes
You're going to wrap it up in saran wrap.
You're going to make sure that it's fresh.
You want to suck out all the air.
dan friesen
What's inside it?
jordan holmes
Generosity is inside of it.
dan friesen
Is it inside a pan?
jordan holmes
You put it in the refrigerator because you're listening to this in your car.
So you want to put it in the metaphorical refrigerator.
dan friesen
Your refrigerator that's in your car?
jordan holmes
No, it's a metaphorical refrigerator.
It's a mental refrigerator.
When you get out, when you're done with work, you get home, you take it out of the fridge, Dan.
Open it up and you give it to an organization or local charity.
dan friesen
That was not good.
I've done worse.
jordan holmes
How dare you?
dan friesen
I've done worse.
That wasn't good.
jordan holmes
You were interrupting.
dan friesen
I was trying to help because you were going nowhere with it, but the thought is good.
Thanks, buddy.
So, Jordan, as you know, our phone number is 773-TAT-GUYS.
T-A-T guys.
And now, before we get to our show proper, we must check in with some voicemails from listeners.
jordan holmes
We're going to get some calls.
unidentified
Hey, guys.
I'm a teacher, and I really enjoy your guidance content.
I work in a rural area, and a lot of my students are fans of Alex Jones, and your podcast has made it...
so that I am able to counter some of Alex's rhetoric that I hear from my students with stuff that I hear from your shows.
I just wanted to give you guys a quick thank you.
It makes it easier to do my job and also go through the headache of hearing about conspiracies from my students.
Sadly, my colleagues.
But I really appreciate the work that you guys do, and I just wanted to give you guys a quick thank you since you now have the cat guy phone number.
Thank you for all that you do.
dan friesen
That's a really nice message.
jordan holmes
That's a really nice message.
dan friesen
Yeah, I've noticed, I've listened to some, and a lot of them are just very much like, thank you, you do a great job.
jordan holmes
Which is great, which is awesome.
dan friesen
I appreciate that very much, but I don't want to play a ton of them, because that sounds, then it ends up becoming like us congratulating ourselves by way of voicemails.
jordan holmes
It's a little bit, I want to say masturbatory.
dan friesen
Sure, both of those work.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
But thank you so much.
I really appreciate that message in particular because I think it really gives another perspective that maybe we don't think about all that often and that is that there are things...
jordan holmes
You should hit kids.
Wait, what?
Oh, you were going to say something?
dan friesen
I was going to go a little bit different than that.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
Sorry.
dan friesen
Yeah, there are ways in which this information can be helpful to people in other walks of life that maybe we take for granted sometimes.
jordan holmes
Yes, absolutely.
dan friesen
And that's really awesome.
That's a side effect.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's great.
dan friesen
Thank you so much for sharing that.
jordan holmes
Yes, thank you.
dan friesen
Let's go to another message here.
unidentified
All right.
Hi guys, my name is Jorge Gortez from Chile, from South America, and I'm a huge, huge fan.
I love you guys.
You have made my life better.
You have taken me of depression.
When I'm having a rough time, I always play your episodes, so I love you so much, guys.
Thank you, thank you, thank you for everything.
Friday is my birthday.
So if you play this before Friday or near Friday, it will be amazing.
Thank you.
dan friesen
Happy birthday!
jordan holmes
Happy birthday!
dan friesen
Shout out to Chile!
jordan holmes
Absolutely!
dan friesen
I really hope that the message there is not that we got him off antidepressants.
Because I hope that's not the case.
That would be an unhealthy use of our podcast.
I hope that what's being expressed is...
jordan holmes
Only with doctor's supervision.
dan friesen
I hope that it's just an expression of our podcast to bring some happiness.
But that's so awesome.
It's really great to hear from our listeners around the world, and happy birthday.
jordan holmes
Happy birthday so much.
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
That's really awesome.
jordan holmes
Man, if we get a message that's like, you guys did it.
You convinced me.
Vaccines are bad.
I'd be like, no!
unidentified
Shit.
dan friesen
This backfired.
Alright, here's another message.
unidentified
Hi, Dan and Jordan.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
dan friesen
Love you.
unidentified
I'm Lisa.
I'm a particle physicist in training, and I just wanted to say Alex talks a lot about the large K-John Collider at CERN, and I think he's dumb as fuck.
Well, not that and everything else.
But ELHC is awesome.
I love it, and I hope to work there someday.
No, it will not destroy the world.
Even if the Large Hadron Collider does create a black hole, it'd be a tiny little one, and it would evaporate instantly, and the odds of that even happening are incredibly small.
And sure, yes, there was that one time that a bunch of dumb fucks, because all physicists are dumb fucks, dressed up in robes and...
Pretending to worship a statue and act like Satanists.
jordan holmes
I knew it.
unidentified
Gotta have fun.
So, yeah.
Just wanted to say that.
Thanks.
Bye.
dan friesen
Thank you so much, Lisa!
jordan holmes
Yes, thank you very much, Lisa!
dan friesen
Appreciate your call, and we are pulling for you to get that job at CERN.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
We will be watching your career with considerable enthusiasm.
jordan holmes
If we can put in a good word with it.
Do you know anybody at CERN?
dan friesen
I did meet a guy who worked there.
He used to come to my comedy show.
unidentified
Oh, yeah!
jordan holmes
No, you told me about that story.
dan friesen
There's a guy who used to show up.
We used to have dance parties after the comedy show, and he would show up for the dance party.
jordan holmes
You know, where you meet people from CERN.
dan friesen
Yeah.
He had, I think it was yoga class that ended, so he'd show up right at the end of the comedy show, usually around the headliner, and then hang out.
He was like a 50s, 60s-year-old man.
He was very out of place, but he was a super nice guy.
jordan holmes
He was just cool as shit.
dan friesen
I don't remember his name or anything about him, but he worked at CERN.
jordan holmes
The man creates black holes.
Of course he wants to dance.
dan friesen
In theory.
All right, we have one last call here.
unidentified
Hey, cat guys.
This is Matt Drupkey.
Wanted to say congratulations on the return of the call-in line.
I'm just driving around running some errands, listening to the episode, and I thought I would say something that I posted in the group, but made me laugh really hard.
I was listening to Friday's episode, and Dan, you played the clip of Rex saying Trump really sucked, but you have to give him one more chance.
And what you didn't point out, and what made me laugh super hard, is that twice in the two clips you played, he said...
On November 4th, we have to re-elect Trump, which would be great, except you got the day wrong.
The election day is November 3rd, and he repeatedly screwed it up.
And I could not help but laugh about that.
Because originally, I thought it was going to be a prank of him saying like, hey, everyone, go out and vote for Biden on the 4th, trying to be that stupid thing that people did.
Four years ago.
And I think Alex even did it four years ago.
But no.
No.
He is just misinformed of when the election is and is lying about it or just doesn't know on his show.
Anyway, love the show.
Keep up the good work.
It's been so wonderful listening to you guys and listening to this work, which I know gives so many people pleasure.
Hope you're having a good day.
All right.
Bye-bye.
jordan holmes
Yay, DraftKey!
Oh man, it's been so long since I've heard his voice.
It's so long.
dan friesen
Such a delightful man.
New father!
jordan holmes
New father!
Congratulations!
Just had a child!
dan friesen
And I've been meaning to bring this up as a bright spot, but I've just gotten sidetracked by bonsais and what have you.
But I do enjoy...
jordan holmes
New life or whatever.
dan friesen
I've been seeing some tweets of his where he refers to himself as the Nightmaster.
jordan holmes
He is the Nightmaster now.
dan friesen
I enjoy that persona.
I like the idea that he, now with infant, must become the Nightmaster.
jordan holmes
First day is Nightmaster, two weeks later you're the Nightstalker.
I'm just saying, Matt, you gotta watch out.
dan friesen
Also, he does bring up a good point about that Rex sort of rat-fucking himself.
And it was actually Trump four years ago who said the wrong day of the election.
He got it wrong.
I'm not sure if Alex followed along with it, but I remember that Trump was like, go vote for me on the wrong day.
So, Jordan.
jordan holmes
Yes, sir, Dan.
dan friesen
We've gotten through our business.
jordan holmes
We got through it.
dan friesen
Let's jump into the episode here.
We're going to start on the 12th.
Okay.
And this episode, something unintentionally hilarious happens on this episode that I'm super glad.
But, yeah.
It's kind of stupid.
jordan holmes
Does he slip on a banana peel?
I feel like before the end...
dan friesen
Metaphorically, yes.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
But like literally, before the end, we have to see him slip on a banana peel or get hit in the face with a pie.
dan friesen
I mean, I think...
jordan holmes
Or perhaps a flower squirts water.
dan friesen
I think one of these clips is spiritually the equivalent of slipping on a banana peel.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
But not literally.
unidentified
Oh.
dan friesen
So Alex's big narrative, of course, is that Trump is going to win the election.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
There's going to be cheating.
jordan holmes
They're going to steal it.
dan friesen
Yes, of course.
And so now Kamala Harris has been announced as the vice president pick.
And so Alex is picking up a narrative about this.
alex jones
No matter how many mail-in ballots they have or how much fraud, there's about to be a giant landslide.
And top analysts, top professors, top political scientists who've been dead on picking the last five, six elections are all unanimous.
Trump is going to win in a huge landslide.
And I see Limbaugh and Hannity and other talk show hosts and even folks that are here on Infowars Network who are great people going, oh, look at Kamala Harris.
She is absolutely reviled.
She was polling at 1% when they tried to make her the frontrunner during the Democrat primaries.
The woman has more baggage than the belly of a 747.
jordan holmes
Nice.
alex jones
Boy, I tell you, this is really hurting their progressive base.
Democrats are saying they're going to vote for Trump now.
Ladies and gentlemen, they know they're going to lose.
The strategy is to contest the election and have a woman they can claim is part black so that no criticism of her they can say is racist.
jordan holmes
Of course.
There we go.
alex jones
They can then stir up civil war and race war in this country that they've already primed and ignited.
dan friesen
I have no idea who these top people Alex is referring to who are all unanimously saying that Trump is going to win in a landslide.
jordan holmes
Satanilver?
I believe he's there.
With 835.com.
dan friesen
Satanilver?
Is that what you're saying?
From a simple look into some of the 2020 predictions, I can't really find any reputable sources that even say that Trump is a likely winner.
The Economist's forecast project is looking at an 89% chance of Biden winning the Electoral College and a better than 98% chance he'll win the popular vote.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that sounds about right.
dan friesen
The predicted market-based odds have a safe Biden win predicted, and that's even without him winning Florida.
Some other predictions are closer, but I can't really find anything that matches up with what Alex is saying.
Now, his response to the announcement of Kamala Harris being the vice president pick is entirely predictable.
She's a woman of color, so his angle is to insist that she was chosen as vice president because now if you criticize her, you'll be called a racist.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
This is super boring and is itself a racist position because it's very easy to see how Ali is.
Alex would have said this about any potential non-white vice president.
jordan holmes
Oh, Dan.
dan friesen
If Stacey Abrams, Cory Booker, or Karen Bass had been his choice, Alex would be saying the exact same thing.
And this works for any sort of bigotry.
If Biden had chosen Elizabeth Warren, Alex would claim that if you criticized her, you'd be called a sexist.
If he'd chosen Pete Buttigieg, Alex would claim that if you criticized him, you'd be called a homophobe.
What Alex achieves by engaging in this kind of argumentation is to make the argument that all candidates who are not straight white men are not on a ballot because of their qualifications or because they earned it.
They're just there to make people like Alex look bad when they criticize them.
This is a very passive and cowardly way of arguing that only people who look like you deserve to be in leadership positions.
Also, in a much more concrete way, this is Alex trying to preemptively excuse some really racist things he's going to be saying.
jordan holmes
Oh, it's going to be bad.
dan friesen
It's very possible to criticize her record and not be racist, but it seems impossible for Alex to do that.
jordan holmes
That's a good point.
dan friesen
So when he sets the stage by saying that all criticisms of her are going to be called racist, he's preparing his audience to dismiss valid complaints that his criticisms and those of people in his sector are in fact racist as hell.
alex jones
No!
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
I don't have any other response.
jordan holmes
I don't have any response other than, yeah, obviously.
dan friesen
There's plenty of people who are criticizing Harris and are not being accused of being racist because they're not doing it in a racist fashion.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, it's hard to imagine not doing something in a racist fashion if you are a racist.
Like, that's one of the fundamental things they don't understand.
The idea of somebody criticizing them without a racial component makes no sense to a racist because everything has a racial component.
dan friesen
Yeah, you might be onto something.
So Alex claims that he knew that Harris was going to be the VP pick going back to the primaries.
unidentified
Of course.
dan friesen
And I'm going to play him saying that, and then I'm going to laugh at his face.
alex jones
You can see the preparation.
I said during the Democratic primaries last year that it would be Kamala Harris because Jeff Zucker...
And Jeff Bezos and all of the big Silicon Valley gang and the Chi-Coms want her.
jordan holmes
Of course.
alex jones
Because she will do whatever they tell her to do, just like Joe Biden.
So it's no longer, oh, InfoWars exactly predicted this over a year ago.
We didn't predict it.
They were all admitting that this was one of their main plans.
dan friesen
Alex spent way more time talking about Bloomberg.
jordan holmes
It's no longer.
dan friesen
Do you remember when Bloomberg ate something weird and Alex spent like a week talking about it?
He spent so much more time about Bloomberg.
jordan holmes
But he ate something weird.
dan friesen
And he also, like, he didn't say that Kamala Harris was going to be the pick.
He was like talking about Hillary was the shadow candidate with Michelle Obama.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Look, the point is, like, Alex has said just about everything in the course of Democratic debates and primaries, and so now he can say, like, I knew it all along!
jordan holmes
Of course!
Of course!
dan friesen
Harris was not, like, in his top tier of, maybe for a minute, maybe for a minute, but that wasn't his consistent, like, this is what it's gonna be!
jordan holmes
It doesn't matter who it was, he predicted it.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
So now, this is such a great illustration of how stupid Alex is, and why, like, legitimately, if anybody takes Alex's show seriously, they need to wake the fuck up.
alex jones
But they're gonna rob us of our liberty, our freedom, our whole future, and then Kamala Harris, we gotta get these other clips, because I saw her say this on MSNBC, and I had the guys look, and we've been able to find it, but here's the quote that reminded me, and I've seen a bunch of other Democratic Party operatives say this, you've all seen them say this.
Where we gotta, once we get rid of Trump, we gotta get his supporters and outlaw him and hunt him down and level him and destroy him and demolish him.
I mean, these are the terms.
And once Trump's gone, this is Kamala Harris, and once Trump's gone and we have regained our rightful place in the White House, look out if you supported him and endorsed his actions because we'll be coming for you next.
He will feel the vengeance of a nation.
No stone will be left unturned as we seek you out.
In every corner of this great nation.
For it is you who have betrayed us, Kamala Harris.
June 18th, 2020.
dan friesen
This is a fake quote from a satirical website called bustatroll.org.
And Alex is reporting on it as if it's a real thing that Kamala Harris said.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
This is just embarrassing levels of sloppiness and inaccuracy on his part.
And this is one of those instances where he has to know as he reads those words that there's no chance that's a real quote.
He has to know that he's actively lying to his audience as he reads that.
Like, he just doesn't care.
How could you say those words and think they were a real quote?
jordan holmes
No kidding.
dan friesen
According to that website's about page, quote, everything on this website is fiction.
It's not a lie and it's not fake news because it's not real.
If you believe that it's real, you should have your head examined.
It seems that the mission of this website is to create fake things that appeal to conservatives, particularly scared old white men, who will believe these lies to be true.
After they've accepted these fake stories, it's then revealed that the stories are made up, at which point these tricked people will feel shame and realize that they're too gullible.
jordan holmes
Which is what they do, right, Dan?
dan friesen
This is basically laid out in their about page, and while I do accept that the first part of their plan works pretty well, and we see it working with Alex, the second part is flawed.
jordan holmes
It's tough.
dan friesen
There is no shame.
There is no recognition of getting tricked.
The response to something like this is denial and rationalization.
The intentions of this site may be good, but I don't think the site is going to have the effect that it wants, and it may unintentionally be part of the problem it intends to help solve.
The expectation that you would feel ashamed if it was revealed that you believed something that was fake doesn't translate to folks who have made a habit of accepting false information.
Based on appeals to emotion.
jordan holmes
Made accepting false information part of their core identity.
dan friesen
In this case, literal truth may be that this is fake as hell.
But what's more powerful is that it feels true to these scared old white dudes that Alex is repeating the fake quote to.
It resonates with them, and it accurately reveals what they're afraid of, so it must be real.
Even if you reveal that it's from an explicitly satirical site, they'll just say that the words themselves may be fake, but the sentiment behind them are right on, and it's actually what they believe.
You know, it's actually what Harris believes.
So even though the words are fake, it's what she actually...
alex jones
Right.
jordan holmes
And the worst part is, I kind of wish that was actually what she believed.
dan friesen
No.
No, you don't.
That would be bad.
alex jones
No.
dan friesen
So that, to me, is just an outrageous...
Alex is so sloppy.
jordan holmes
Just say it was from Thomas Jefferson.
dan friesen
Why not?
jordan holmes
It's the same thing.
Just say Thomas Jefferson said it about King George and we'll move on with our lives.
dan friesen
I just don't understand how someone can allow themselves to have that loose of standards.
It's amazing.
jordan holmes
It's not standards.
There are no standards.
You would have to have standards before they could be loosened or tightened in either direction.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And it continues.
Alex ends up playing a clip of Harris saying, Something.
And he pretends that it's something entirely different.
alex jones
Here's Kamala Paris.
I mean, there's a bunch of these clips saying that she will have executive action to take your semi-autos.
Here she is.
unidentified
Let's look at the facts.
One in four police officers who was killed in the mile of duty by gunfire is killed by assault.
kamala harris
Let's look at the fact that there are 4 million assault weapons in the United States which were imported here from foreign countries.
So I am also prepared, and I'm announcing for the first time today here with you, to take executive action to ban the import of assault weapons.
dan friesen
That clip doesn't say what Alex said that it was going to say.
He said that she was going to take executive actions to take your guns when the actual clip is her saying that she would be in favor of executive action to ban imports of semi-automatic weapons.
jordan holmes
That's almost like a nationalist enough, protectionist enough idea for Alex to be like...
Fuck yeah.
We need homegrown American-made assault rifles.
dan friesen
Well, what you're doing now is realizing how they would spin it.
jordan holmes
Of course.
If Trump said that, of course.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
unidentified
No, he wants gun manufacturing to be in America where it belongs.
dan friesen
Remington or something.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Totally.
What's more important to me is the...
I mean, it's more or less gaslighting.
It's like, here is what this clip is.
The clip is something completely different.
And we're not going to address...
unidentified
Why bother?
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Alex takes calls on this show.
He spends some time going to calls.
And one of these calls is the funniest thing I've heard in a really long time.
Probably the audio version of A Tiny Bullhorn.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
It's really good.
Okay.
But it doesn't come until later.
jordan holmes
God damn it, Dan.
dan friesen
This first call, this guy has a movement that he's a part of.
Sure.
Alex does not know what it is, and I think that the caller might be disappointed.
alex jones
Robert in Florida.
Robert, you're on the air.
Welcome.
unidentified
Hello, sir.
How are you doing?
It's an honor to speak with you, Alex Jones.
My name is Robert Christensen.
I'm over here in Spring Hill, Florida, and I was the spark to something that is taking off like a wildfire in this area called Operation Flag Drop.
alex jones
Tell us about it.
dan friesen
Ooh, that pause.
That pause was, I think, I think there was an expectation that Alex's response would be like, you're the guy?
jordan holmes
You're the Operation Flag Drop guy?
It's taking hold like wildfire!
dan friesen
It certainly is.
Do you know what that is?
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
Alright, neither does Alex.
jordan holmes
Of course not.
dan friesen
But we get an explanation.
It's kind of boring.
alex jones
Tell us about it.
unidentified
Alright, and pretty much it's every Friday, 6pm to 8pm.
Okay, every Friday, you get people together, you get to a main intersection, and you do your love for Trump.
Get out, get people active, get people on the ground everywhere, everywhere.
6 p.m. to 8 p.m. to show the polls are lying.
Also, expose the scandemic for what it is.
ali alexander
Sure.
unidentified
And, you know, bring people together in the community, because, you know...
Promote your small businesses that are coming out to those flag drops.
Promote your local candidates that are running for election in those areas.
See who stands with Trump.
alex jones
Sir, this is pure genius, and if Trump won't have the rallies, because these people are too cowardly, we all have to start having these rallies for Trump in America everywhere.
dan friesen
You've invented protesting?
What are you doing?
Like, growing up in central Missouri, in Columbia, my parents, every week, every Wednesday after work, We'd go to the corner of Stadium and Providence, which is the biggest intersection in town, and have, like, honk for peace against the Iraq war signs.
There were a group of, like, liberal hippie types who would meet up and have an anti-war demonstration every week.
It's a very common thing.
jordan holmes
No, wildfire.
Catching like wildfire.
dan friesen
Operation Flag Drop.
jordan holmes
I have got an amazing idea for you, Dan.
dan friesen
If only these dumb hippies in Columbia had given it an Operation something name.
If only they had dressed it up as if there was some kind of amazing innovation.
jordan holmes
Military operation behind it.
Jesus.
dan friesen
Ridiculous.
jordan holmes
All right.
Here's what I've got for you.
unidentified
All right.
jordan holmes
I've got an idea.
Now, every Friday at 6. Now, maybe 6.15.
Sometimes the 18 holes.
Okay.
I get off work at 3. Alright, then I play a nice 18, sometimes at 6.15, I'll get there at 6.15pm, and we are going to take it to the goddamn, I don't know who we're taking it to, I guess the virus?
Anyways.
But it's going to have to stop at 8. I have to pick up my kids from the afternoon.
dan friesen
Jordan, you have some great ideas, but I am actually the spark behind something.
Okay.
jordan holmes
What's your wildfire?
dan friesen
I should tell you about Operation Inkwell.
jordan holmes
Okay.
All right.
dan friesen
So here is what happens.
unidentified
All right.
jordan holmes
I'm listening.
dan friesen
Me and a couple of like-minded people get together.
unidentified
Okay.
I like it.
dan friesen
We take paper.
Watch out.
Pens.
jordan holmes
What are you going to do with those?
dan friesen
We write requests to our representatives.
And we send them.
jordan holmes
Do you mean like a letter-writing campaign?
unidentified
I'm just imagining these fucking ding-dongs just discovering the most basic versions of civics.
jordan holmes
Holy shit!
Let me tell you something about this change.org.
You can put a petition in there for them to stop with the virus stuff!
dan friesen
I'm amazed.
And actually, Alex ends up stealing this idea later.
jordan holmes
Of course!
dan friesen
He decides to do an Operation Flag Drop rally this coming weekend at the Capitol.
jordan holmes
He's so stupid.
dan friesen
Yeah, he just steals everything.
So anyway, the country is under siege.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And that means that Alex has got to complain about race stuff.
alex jones
This nation is under siege.
They've created a normalcy bias where we just think things are...
Okay, and that we're still in a free country and the social contract hasn't been broken.
It's been broken by the deep state, by the globalists, by the Democrats, by all the slobs that have not been working for decades and expect us to take care of them that want to hold us hostage.
And now the Democrats are holding the country hostage, saying they're going to contest the election.
They know there's going to be a landslide.
And so they're going to have states secede.
And they're going to trigger race war on the back of George Floyd.
Whereas I can show you four videos that came out just since last night of white people being executed just because they're white.
And white people being beaten.
But you know what?
I can't even bring myself to do it.
unidentified
Good.
jordan holmes
Don't.
alex jones
But I will because we have to.
Wrong narrative.
U.S. mainstream media.
Mom on murder of a five-year-old white boy.
Shot in the back of the head in his own front yard by the black neighbor because he rode his bike through the edge of his yard.
Killed him execution-style in front of his two seven- and eight-year-old sisters.
The father, looking out the window, thought it was a joke, thought it must have been a cap gun, but it wasn't.
Zero coverage in the mainstream media.
This happened, what, four or five days ago?
Only hit the real media yesterday.
dan friesen
Nothing I'm going to say here should be taken to imply that I think this story is anything less than a tragedy and a horrific crime.
In instances like this, we find ourselves in a position where we have to take the story that Alex is telling, and often that's an exaggerated or deceitful narrative that he's building, and when we push back against that, it can sometimes feel like we're minimizing the reality of the underlying story, which is not my intention.
Ultimately, it should never be ignored that there is a child who died here, and that there is no reason that that needed to happen.
There's no indication from the news that I can find that this five-year-old child was killed because the child was white.
This is Alex's editorial position, where any crime that's committed by a non-white person against a white person includes a racial motive, whereas any crime a white person commits against a non-white person probably had nothing to do with race.
Now, I know that Alex isn't saying explicitly that this child was executed because they were white.
jordan holmes
He's just heavily, heavily, heavily implying it.
dan friesen
It's the only story that he gets to after the preface of I have these stories about white people who were executed because they're white.
He says that the child was killed execution style.
Linguistically, the link is there to make that connection.
There's nothing in this story that I can find at this point that would support that reporting.
A KMOV4 story on this says, So there's something to this story.
unknown at this point.
What has happened here is that the right-wing media surrounding this case is the normal refrain of the media is ignoring this story because the victim's white and thus it doesn't fit their narrative.
This is a way of indirectly attempting to invalidate the stories that you do hear about violence perpetrated against non-white people, which you must only be hearing about because it's the media's agenda to tell you those stories.
Framing this story this way is a disservice to the public and further it's kind of insulting to the victim and his family.
It's not clear what the situation is here and for people like Alex to use this story as a prop for their white video And in terms of what is different, in terms of a lot of people's response to this, it's that the guy got arrested.
And it's a horrible murder.
And he is going to face consequences for it.
Obviously, the ideal situation would be nobody is murdered.
But seeing as we don't live in a perfect world, it would be good if justice was dealt out appropriately.
So when you have...
Things like the cases of Ahmaud Arbery or Breonna Taylor.
These cases are really resonant for people because there isn't action that's being taken against the people who committed these crimes.
jordan holmes
There's no consequences.
Right.
They're allowed to murder again.
dan friesen
Yes, and presumably you'd have a similar response to that regardless of the race or ethnicity of the victim.
This case with the child is horrifying because it's a child, obviously.
It doesn't require as much maybe outrage from people because the system is working as it's supposed to.
The guy got arrested.
We'll figure out what the details of the story are as that information becomes available.
And I don't understand why that's so complicated.
jordan holmes
I can't.
I just...
I mean, if you...
Here's what I was thinking.
If you say to me that they're going to want to try and start a race war on the back of George Floyd, I'm going to swing.
I'm going to swing.
If we were in public and he said that out loud, I would have taken a swing immediately.
I almost took a swing at you when he said that.
dan friesen
I feel like we might need to...
jordan holmes
Fucked up.
dan friesen
I might need to get you on like a yoga regimen or something because...
jordan holmes
Because listening to racist shit on a...
dan friesen
Well, I mean, quite frankly, you mostly listen to it when I'm the only person within swinging distance.
So for my safety, you might need...
jordan holmes
That's fair.
dan friesen
You might need to take a Quaalude before the show.
jordan holmes
I would never hurt your play-out stand.
dan friesen
I appreciate that.
My bonsai is still very sensitive.
Yeah, look, I understand that instinct and that response that you have.
And to me, I just think it's a very tired game of misrepresenting cases in order to be like, the media isn't covering this.
I could find plenty of stories in outlets that you might call mainstream media about this.
It's just, what is there to advocate for?
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Other than don't kill people.
And I think everybody's on board with that, and I think we can certainly get some mileage out of that.
There's nothing really that needs to be...
I mean, not nothing, but there isn't an endemic social ill that people can galvanize around, like...
Cops shouldn't put their knees on people's necks.
Or cops shouldn't no-knock warrant.
You shouldn't shoot somebody that you're chasing down because you suspect that they might have robbed something.
Those are far more social issues that we can get involved with and have a conversation about that could possibly lead to some good.
If you want the media to have a large conversation about don't shoot a child, okay.
jordan holmes
Good conversation, guys.
dan friesen
We did it.
Anyway.
jordan holmes
Man, I'm so grateful that you dig into it and you figure out what's really going on, because at this point in time, I'm beyond bad faith arguments.
Like, if somebody's whatabouting me about that, I'd say, that's a tragedy.
You don't care.
Let's move on.
Because he doesn't care.
dan friesen
We know that Alex doesn't care.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
And you can tell because of this.
alex jones
So this poor little white boy, no one will ever care about his name.
He's got a GoFundMe that our camera guy actually gave some money to.
Pitiful.
Almost no money's been given to him.
If he was black, it'd be $50 million right now.
But it'd all be directed to Kamala Harris, who likes to lock black folks up.
dan friesen
So, here's the two indications that you have that Alex doesn't give a shit about this.
jordan holmes
I am very rich, but my cameraman actually donated to the GoFundMe.
dan friesen
One thing is that Alex saying that his cameraman donated to it means that he didn't.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Because Alex would have said, I donated.
jordan holmes
There's just no money in there.
Who knows about this that could give money to this GoFundMe?
dan friesen
The GoFundMe that I found was...
Way over its goal.
Obviously, I think that these sorts of things are always very difficult to think about, even.
What kind of trauma and grief are you dealing with?
There's no possibility of putting a monetary value on any of that.
But it certainly wasn't nothing, the way Alex is portraying it.
Now, the two things that I think are indicative of him not caring are, one...
He obviously didn't give any of his own money.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Second, he doesn't know the kid's name.
And that's why he's saying no one will ever know his name, because he realizes, ah, shit.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
That's his little out card.
Like, hey, I'm going to say this in a dramatic way.
No one will ever know his name.
What's his name?
unidentified
I don't know.
dan friesen
He doesn't know any of the details of this story until he starts cold reading it.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
And whatever.
Anyway, Alex will try to pretend that he's not racist.
jordan holmes
Right.
unidentified
How?
dan friesen
But when he starts looking at a picture of the perpetrator, or the alleged perpetrator in this case, in case he hasn't gone to trial, he's just talking about how he looks.
alex jones
Unbelievable, ladies and gentlemen.
They can't even hide what they are.
Demons.
We got a demon problem, folks, not a racial problem.
But some groups do seem to be more susceptible to the infestation.
jordan holmes
Come on!
What are you doing?
alex jones
Very, very sad.
dan friesen
Very, very sad.
jordan holmes
Some groups.
dan friesen
Some groups.
jordan holmes
Some groups are more susceptible to demons.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Look.
Hey, listen.
White people, they're susceptible to demons, but their lack of melanin is what keeps the demons out.
The demons need melanin.
They get sunburnt, Dan.
That's the issue.
dan friesen
How do you say something like that and not recognize that you're a gigantic bigot?
How do you say something like, we don't have a race problem, we have a demon problem?
Nah, it should be said that certain groups are more susceptible to demon possession than others.
We do have a race problem.
jordan holmes
Okay, so some races are more...
Oh, now I see what you're getting at, Dan.
I think you're making a very good point there.
dan friesen
Now, I am absolutely not a racist.
I believe everybody is wonderful.
But I have created a system wherein I blame demons for things.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And also, all the races that I think are gross and scary are full of demons.
jordan holmes
No, no, no!
unidentified
No, no, no.
jordan holmes
It's not my fault.
It's just that after studying all of these heads, Dan, I can tell that if the certain shape of your cranium is different, you're more susceptible to demons.
Now, it just so happens that my baseline is white people.
dan friesen
So, anyway, Alex is going viral with that video of him with the tiny bullhorn.
jordan holmes
Loved it.
dan friesen
And he loves it.
alex jones
People know that they twist and they deceive.
But we have the full video.
jordan holmes
Or your tiny bullhorn?
alex jones
At infowars.com and band.video.
jordan holmes
Tiny bullhorn?
alex jones
Austin Greenbelts reopened after mayor illegally sends in contact tracers.
See all the fake rangers and all the police standing by?
The police were the ones saying it was pure bull.
They called seven police cars on me.
And that family was able to march in.
But the media says I screamed at the family and doesn't show you them high-fying me.
I was mean to the Hispanic family.
dan friesen
I think...
I don't care about this at all.
unidentified
Have I ever told you Alex is my hero?
dan friesen
He's doing the normal game that he plays.
This standard...
It was a five-minute video.
They played one minute of it.
They took it out of context.
Yeah, the context is you got mad because your wife...
They asked that she had a registration to go into the fucking green belt, and you went back with a tiny bullhorn looking to cause a scene.
You made a scene.
The teens didn't quite give you the juice that you were looking for.
You got all sweaty, and you're an embarrassment.
jordan holmes
You went back to scream at the manager with a tiny bullhorn.
Of course everyone's going to make fun of you.
How dare you?
dan friesen
So, that's embarrassing, but probably not as embarrassing as Congressional Loser, next Alex Jones guest, Deanna Lorraine.
alex jones
Deanna Lorraine joins us.
Thanks for coming on.
What do you want to tackle first?
unidentified
I don't know.
deanna lorraine
You want to tackle the Australian cutoff when they pretended it was a bad feed?
unidentified
Or we can talk about communist Gavin Grusom?
dan friesen
So one thing that's really funny is that Deanna Lorraine's Twitter handle is still Deanna for Congress.
She lost her primary.
jordan holmes
Oh, she's going to come back.
She's going to make a comeback, for sure.
dan friesen
So she talks about the Australian cutoff there.
And so what happened is that on Australian TV...
I don't remember what station, but they were doing a segment on COVID-19 denial folks, and they're like, well, why not just interview someone who believes it's a hoax?
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So they had a show she was invited on, and she's talking about...
Bunch of nonsense.
Sure.
And in the middle of it, her Skype goes out.
And they're like, we shouldn't have had this person on.
So the anchors get into a little bit of a like, I don't know.
jordan holmes
Are we going to invite her back or just say a big no on that one?
dan friesen
It's clear.
I mean, if you're looking at the video, like her video freezes.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And the sound becomes like spotty.
jordan holmes
It's on her end.
Yeah, she's an idiot.
dan friesen
And so she believes that there's a conspiracy going on.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And they cut her off.
jordan holmes
It was a scalar attack.
dan friesen
They claimed that it was a tech.
She's going to complain to Alex about that.
unidentified
So, Australian invited me.
How kind of them.
I put up a tweet, okay?
A couple weeks ago, I put up a tweet.
deanna lorraine
Once I found out that they were going on another lockdown for six weeks, they were not even letting people go outside of their homes, okay, except for maybe essential services here and there.
unidentified
And they said they were having a wall of steel, meaning police forces, all the way outside the city of Melbourne to make sure nobody comes in or out.
So I put up a tweet defending their individual liberties, saying, hey, this is like prison.
This is basically prison.
You know, Australians, fight.
Fight for your liberties.
So the Australian...
alex jones
While her Skype comes back, let's go ahead and roll the video of her on Australian television when they cut it off, claiming a technical difficulty.
Biden has trouble speaking.
They claim it's a technical difficulty.
Here it is.
dan friesen
Wow.
That's hilarious.
unidentified
That.
dan friesen
That is audio of someone slipping on a banana.
unidentified
Oh my god!
dan friesen
There's a conspiracy.
jordan holmes
Oh my god!
unidentified
In the middle of complaining about a conspiracy to cut her off.
dan friesen
You demonstrate that your Skype is terrible.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
Get a new ISP.
God damn it.
Oh, you probably can't because you're in one of the areas where your team allowed them to monopolize everything.
dan friesen
You idiot.
This is pretty delightful.
jordan holmes
Oh man, that's great.
dan friesen
So because she's gone and they can't get her back on the line, Alex has no other choice but to play the video.
jordan holmes
It's a conspiracy.
dan friesen
He plays the video of her on the Australian.
jordan holmes
Of course he does.
unidentified
We also have the president of Tanzania who also has...
I think the link is dropping out because I don't think I should be giving her any airtime.
jordan holmes
Well, Ali.
unidentified
Come on.
Ali.
That is ridiculous.
Ali, you knew that interview was happening last night.
You can't then just go and say, oh, I don't like what she's saying now.
She has a right to her opinion.
Do you know that there are complete whack jobs in this country who think the same thing?
alex jones
So, is that her Skype breaking up like it just did, or were they killing her now?
I know that the United Nations censors people.
dan friesen
Come on, Alex.
jordan holmes
You even said it.
You shouldn't have said it.
dan friesen
Come on.
jordan holmes
You have to play it off.
Now they're cutting her off from my show.
unidentified
You gotta play it.
jordan holmes
You gotta play it.
dan friesen
Alex doesn't.
He, like, I will say, you know, it's a rare give it up for the Smalley Pirates moment, but he does say, I think it was just her Skype.
jordan holmes
Even Alex has to be like, well, you did it on my show, so I was going to give you a pass on that one, but then you dropped out.
dan friesen
If your Skype kept working, we could have spun a conspiracy about Australia here, but unfortunately, you completely shit the bed.
unidentified
You're too shitty for me!
dan friesen
I love it.
I love it.
Alex can't get Deanna back on, so he has to go to calls.
He goes back to calls, and this...
I was like, uh-oh, uh-oh.
alex jones
If we're able to get her Skype stabilized, we'll get her back with us.
Let's go ahead and talk to another caller.
Let's go ahead and speak with Jacob in Georgia.
Thanks for holding.
Go ahead.
Yes, sir.
Go ahead.
dan friesen
Oh, no.
jordan holmes
All right.
We have been doing this for eight years.
Here's what I'm going to do.
I'm just going to say your name.
dan friesen
I have to applaud Alex.
He doesn't end up blowing up about this.
It's some little form of progress.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Because when he said...
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Like, there at the end, I was like, oh, no.
unidentified
Oh, no.
dan friesen
He's about to go off air.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
There was that long pause.
There was the, can you hear me?
Oh, no.
Those are, like, triggers for him.
So he talks to this guy, and I don't really even give a shit what he has to say, but this is, like, mic down for this, because this was so funny.
Oh, wait.
He is complaining.
He's complaining about this college.
He goes to Kennesaw State in Georgia.
And apparently you have to get like a temperature reading band or something like that.
I don't know if this is true or not, but whatever.
Anyway, this caller is saying that he's heard that that might happen.
This is very funny.
alex jones
I'll talk about that with our guest in a moment.
What do you make of the New Jersey governor just mandated the temperature tracking armbands?
And you're saying you're hearing that at college in Georgia?
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's crazy, man.
unidentified
Hang up the phone.
alex jones
Does your wife have something to say?
He's gone.
unidentified
All right.
alex jones
Deanna Lorraine is here.
We're flying her to Austin next week to co-host the show with me in a couple days.
dan friesen
Oh, boy.
Don't think that was that guy's wife.
I think that was his mom.
jordan holmes
Oh.
Oh, my God.
Oh, Dan, you're going to kill me.
You put those back to back?
dan friesen
I go through this chronologically.
unidentified
It was a tough end to the show.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
You get off this really weird, self-contradicting interview with Deanna Lorraine, and then someone's mom tells them to hang up the phone.
You used to hear that a lot on Loveline.
Back in the day, listening to Loveline, there would be calls a lot of the time.
But that made more sense, because it was late at night.
Yeah, that's really funny.
I got the phone.
jordan holmes
Does your wife have something to say?
dan friesen
This guy is like a freshman in college.
He's probably not married.
I mean, it's possible.
jordan holmes
He could be married?
dan friesen
It's not impossible.
jordan holmes
Could be married.
dan friesen
I'm using context clues.
One of them is that he said he's from Georgia.
So he's going to KSU in Georgia, presumably living with the parents.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
You know, that's an in-state situation.
Sounds right.
Yeah.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Goddamn.
dan friesen
I can't imagine.
That's so funny.
jordan holmes
What a bummer.
That's so funny.
dan friesen
So he does get Deanna back on, and they have a stupid interview that I don't think is worth listening to.
So we get to the 13th here on Thursday, and Alex is super excited that the trending on Twitter has continued, and he continues just to say that they're taking him out of context.
alex jones
So Alex Jones.
No, that sounds right.
dan friesen
No, it wasn't random.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's fair.
I would say it's not random.
Although, in a sense, it is still random, because it's just a coincidence that his wife was...
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I mean, I think I would replace random with pointless.
jordan holmes
Yeah, pointless is a good word.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex gets on the show here, and I'm noticing an evolution of a lie.
And that is...
So there was that 2010 Rockefeller report about...
Various situations that could come up.
Trends in the world vis-a-vis the developing world and technology.
One of those scenarios was titled Lockstep.
Another was Stronger Together.
There were four scenarios that they laid out and tried to conceptualize challenges that would come up in the world.
Alex initially took this as not...
A bunch of scenarios, but in fact it's only the one.
jordan holmes
The plan.
dan friesen
That looks kind of similar in some ways, superficially, because there's an outbreak in it.
So that one was the lockstep one.
So his first volley was ignoring the context of the documentary.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
The second evolution of it was to say that it was a plan.
Lockstep was the plan.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
There was the Rockefeller 2010 plan lockstep document, which is nonsense.
And now there's the third evolution of it, where he's just making up quotes from it.
unidentified
I love it.
alex jones
And this is directly from the Rockefeller Foundation lockstep, 2010.
Quote, under the guise of a pandemic, we will create a prison state on a planetary scale.
dan friesen
That is not in there.
That's a quote from David Icke's website.
I don't even know if it's original content on David Icke's website.
That's someone else's editorial discussion of this document as opposed to being actually from it.
This is just made up shit.
This is sloppy.
jordan holmes
I wish more of those simulations on what could happen just included, like, well, obviously, if this happens, we're going to create a police state.
I mean, why wouldn't we do that?
Yeah, well, that's the only option for us.
dan friesen
Yeah, so we've got some big guests coming up today.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
This is underwhelming.
Whenever you start off by saying big guests.
jordan holmes
We got Daryl Runson or whatever?
dan friesen
No, Rundis is not back.
alex jones
Now, we have a bunch of big guests today.
Jay Dyer is going to be interviewing, very well-known, Top of the food chain, comedian Sam Hyde.
jordan holmes
Top of the food chain!
dan friesen
Sam Hyde.
unidentified
You're somebody who worked in comedy a bit.
dan friesen
Maybe not in the upper echelons.
You and I are both people who have wanted to do stand-up as a career.
And by virtue of that, you familiarize yourself with the top acts.
Certainly doing stand-up all the time.
I was on the festival circuit a bunch.
I went around.
I met a lot of comics.
jordan holmes
Met famous people.
Talked to famous people.
dan friesen
Consider someone by the name of Sam Hyde to be the top of the food chain.
jordan holmes
Well, let me put it to you this way.
It took me a good seven years before I got onto the food chain.
The bottom level of the food chain is where I was.
And I think I knew just about everybody there.
He wasn't even there.
So I'm going to go with no.
dan friesen
Sam Hyde is a comedian, but I think it's more along the lines of sketch and prank kind of stuff.
Also, he's the guy who his picture is used often on 4chan whenever there's a mass shooter.
They'll use a picture of him as fake identifying of the shooter.
It's sort of a meme.
jordan holmes
He's like a basic looking white dude.
dan friesen
A picture of him has become a meme that's used to try and trick people into thinking they've identified a shooter.
So often that...
jordan holmes
So that's how we got here.
dan friesen
Top of the food chain.
We're not going to listen to any of that.
I just thought it was funny to...
jordan holmes
Top of the food chain.
dan friesen
We've got another big guest though.
alex jones
Ali Alexander, journalist.
And analysis expert will be joining us to talk about Kamala Harris and just how evil she is and what's up with her.
dan friesen
That's really exciting.
jordan holmes
What is up with her?
dan friesen
You're not going to learn that from Ali Alexander.
jordan holmes
What's up with her?
dan friesen
Anyway, Ali Alexander is going to be coming up a little bit later.
That's really fun.
I'd like to remind you that he was the third wheel on the tricycle.
Uh-huh.
That was Laura Loomer.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Jacob Wall.
jordan holmes
The luminaries.
dan friesen
And Ali Alexander were the three people who made that documentary where they tried to prove that Ilhan Omar was married to her brother.
It was a real embarrassment.
unidentified
See?
dan friesen
And that's the sort of thing you should never really be able to live down.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
But somehow, in Ali Alexander's world...
jordan holmes
Shake it off.
dan friesen
Just move forward.
Turns out he's shaken off a whole lot more than that.
unidentified
I believe it.
dan friesen
We'll get into it in a little bit.
jordan holmes
I believe it.
I'm going to pitch Laura Loomer this.
All right.
Everybody knows about the squad.
That's the trick.
You gotta get a good name.
You gotta get some good branding going.
Add a couple more women.
Call yourself the Luminaries.
Done.
dan friesen
That's not bad.
jordan holmes
Done.
One.
One every election.
New political party.
unidentified
Her, Deanna Lorraine.
jordan holmes
That one green lady who's a QAnon thing?
Yeah, toss her in there.
dan friesen
So, I'm a fan of Before Sunrise, Before Sunset, Waking Life.
jordan holmes
You're a huge Ethan Hawke guy.
dan friesen
I am.
A big Ethan Hawke guy from way back.
I also like Richard Linklater.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
I think he's done some great work.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Some of it, maybe I'm a little bit iffy on.
I think Boyhood could have been better, but I respect what he was trying to do.
jordan holmes
He did Coffee and Cigarettes, right?
dan friesen
No, that was Jarmusch.
jordan holmes
That's Jarmusch, that's right.
dan friesen
I liked Scanner Darkly.
Scanner Darkly's pretty good.
Slacker's good.
Slacker's pretty good.
He's got a good track record.
jordan holmes
He's a good filmmaker.
dan friesen
Unfortunately, two of his movies include Alex Cameos in the role he was born to play, which is Crazy Guy with Bullhorn.
jordan holmes
We gotta redo those.
If Linklater isn't working right now on doing a tiny bullhorn, then I don't know.
What the fuck is the point anymore?
dan friesen
Waking Life was rotoscoped.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You can do it.
dan friesen
You can totally do that.
jordan holmes
You can totally do it.
Go in there.
Director's Cut only changed tiny bullhorn.
dan friesen
Linklater.
jordan holmes
Wait.
dan friesen
Scanner Darkly was rotoscoped, too.
Both of them are totally doable.
jordan holmes
Totally doable.
dan friesen
Linklater, you know.
unidentified
You're my boy.
dan friesen
You're my boy.
jordan holmes
If you don't know about us by now, what are you doing?
dan friesen
We have one request from your big fan.
So anytime Alex brings up Linklater, I always like to try and, like, if it's worthwhile, I'll discuss it.
This actually created such an awesome mental picture.
alex jones
One time!
Rick Linkletter was at my office, and he's a nice guy, an intellectual liberal, you know, at a certain level.
And Rick's defending me when I've been attacked by everybody else.
But he goes, you read Bertrand Russell?
And he got the book.
He's like, he's the greatest liberal ever.
I'm like, did you read where he said, set up world government and kill almost everybody to end war?
And he goes, Rick's like, well, I have seen some of those writings.
Very interesting.
You know, I've got to get going.
unidentified
I've got to get going.
alex jones
Is my office or his office?
I just remember that.
dan friesen
Yeah, sure you do.
jordan holmes
Dan, you are bringing some bangers today.
That's fantastic.
dan friesen
Yeah, there's some really funny stuff happening.
It's not really meaty.
There's not a lot of substance.
jordan holmes
This is fluff, and I love it.
dan friesen
Yeah, I just love the idea of Richard Linklater and Alex being there, and Alex is like, hey, you know that book that you're really into is all about genocide.
I gotta go.
jordan holmes
No, no.
Here's the thing.
I kind of think he's accidentally, completely accurately...
dan friesen
Linklater just pulling his collar like, oh no, Alex is on to us about Bertrand Russell.
jordan holmes
Here's the thing.
I think this is an honest, accurate representation of what happened.
He's just changing the tone.
Because here's how it sounds to me.
He says all that shit to Linklater, and Linklater goes like, yeah, you know, I've heard some of that stuff.
I'm gonna have to go.
dan friesen
I gotta go.
I shouldn't have cast you in my boots.
jordan holmes
I'm gonna leave now.
dan friesen
I thought you were a fun weirdo.
unidentified
Yeah.
Whoops.
jordan holmes
Now you're a dick.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, Alex is a free speech absolutist.
jordan holmes
Sure, he's not.
dan friesen
He loves free speech.
unidentified
He does not.
dan friesen
He thinks of the left and the SJWs are too sensitive and they want to cancel all the comedians for making jokes.
jordan holmes
No, he wants to remove all people who disagree with him.
dan friesen
Alex is upset about Bill Burr.
unidentified
Sure.
alex jones
Now, I think Bill Burr's a good comedian.
He's against cancel culture.
And he's got courage to come out and criticize it in this landscape of cowards.
I mean, in a world of cowards, a person with any courage is a hero.
And that's a scary thing.
And when the people fear the government, there is tyranny.
When the government fears the people, there is liberty, as Thomas Jefferson said.
He did this whole special on Netflix, and he got into depopulation, and he said, let's just say what we want.
We need to depopulate the earth.
dan friesen
I swear, in my experience, Alex complains about comedians'jokes so much more than the imaginary PCSJWs he yells about who are apparently out to kill the First Amendment.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
Michelle Wolfe makes a joke about getting an abortion, and Alex wants her damned to hell.
Bill Maher jokes about basically anything, and Alex pretends it's the official Democratic Party platform being revealed.
And now I guess Bill Burr said something Alex doesn't like.
I don't care.
jordan holmes
Don't care.
dan friesen
I do want to say, though, that that is a fake Thomas Jefferson quote.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I was going to say, I already knew that one right off the bat.
dan friesen
The library at Monticello includes this as one of their highlighted spurious quotes.
They're often attributed to Jefferson, but there's no evidence he ever said or wrote that.
They concluded that this quote is actually from a 1914 debate against socialism delivered by John Basil Barnhill that has been famously attached to Jefferson, as well as at other times Thomas Paine and Samuel Adams.
I would assume that's because no one cares about John Basil Barnhill.
They just want this to sound important.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I don't think...
What did Barnhill do?
Didn't he...
dan friesen
Yeah, he had a 1914 debate against socialism.
jordan holmes
Did he own the Colts in Baltimore?
Is that what happened?
dan friesen
No, I don't think so.
jordan holmes
Man, he would not like my Andrew Jackson bit, Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
I don't think he would like that.
Somebody send him my Andrew Jackson bit.
I want him to complain about me.
unidentified
That'd be fun.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Dan.
dan friesen
You said that I've been bringing bangers.
jordan holmes
You have.
dan friesen
And I think that a lot of this has been pretty good.
But this was the clip, actually.
This next clip is the one that I thought was going to be, like, really the most fun.
And now I'm really self-conscious about it.
This, I think, is incredibly funny.
It's a little bit longer.
It's a little bit drawn out.
But Alex is trying to promote his upcoming rally, and things fall apart.
alex jones
We're going to be out there with our American flags, Old Glory, Texas flag, you name it, and that will be tomorrow.
When I went down there this Sunday to what's known as the Hill of Life, it's like a three-quarters.
When I went down there this Saturday, it's a quarter-mile hill.
When I went down to the Hill of Life, this...
Again, I'm cutting a promo Hill of Life on here.
I have tendencies to...
When they're doing stuff, I have a tendency to watch the screen and look for the address so I can give it out.
And I just don't have the address.
I'm not going to do this now.
We'll do it later.
unidentified
Just shut it down.
alex jones
Shut it down.
Not a big deal.
For the next segment, please print me the address.
Because I...
I don't see it on the screen, and I can't tell them the address.
So I'll do that next segment.
I'm going to go to rebroadcast for a minute, though.
Let me take a break here.
Stuff sometimes.
It's not the crew's fault.
I'm like the director of my own show, and so it's just very frustrating.
The crew does a great job, and then I need something, and I can't tell you the address if I don't have it.
Or maybe I was missing it on the screen, so I'm just going to get that.
It's too late now.
unidentified
Just stop.
alex jones
Okay, and then we're just going to do this for a minute.
I'm going to take a break.
The problem is I'm also shooting promos during the segments.
I may stop doing that during the segment breaks because I need to get refocused.
I need to get reset.
And I had a lot I was going to say and a lot I was going to do.
Sometimes I go a little astray on that and then we have a problem.
So I'm going to go to a very special report here.
dan friesen
Okay.
Alright, Alex.
jordan holmes
Maybe you should get a director.
Maybe you shouldn't be directing your own show.
unidentified
Maybe the big problem is you, buddy.
dan friesen
Yeah, it seems like it.
I would say that watching your face, you thought that the funny part was that he couldn't remember what day he went down to this hill.
jordan holmes
No, I knew that was fun.
I knew we were starting off good.
But that really snowballed into something real great.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Dude, just fucking record it after your show.
jordan holmes
It's so simple.
Everything is in there.
dan friesen
He can't be bothered to do any work that's not just doing his show.
jordan holmes
He's too busy directing his show.
dan friesen
He's trying to record this promo that they can then use as a big thing to get people to come to the rally on his show so he can double down on the time and because someone didn't give him the fucking address or whatever, it all falls apart and he's gotta go off air.
unidentified
He wastes Like, a half hour of his show because of this.
dan friesen
Because he's got to use the next segment now to record the, hey, come to my rally thing.
jordan holmes
Haven't you heard that old saying?
You gotta miss two birds with one stone, Dan.
dan friesen
It's wild.
I mean, so much of this show has been this fuck up.
Him talking about how everyone's making him go viral and they're taking him out of context.
And then he comes back from a break.
And he's got a different song that he's really into.
He plays the whole song.
unidentified
Are you a child?
I'm in love.
Come on!
jordan holmes
Do Bonanza next.
unidentified
Keep moving, moving, moving.
alex jones
Though they're disapproving.
unidentified
Keep them doggies moving.
alex jones
They think you're cattle.
jordan holmes
Oh, come on, you missed it!
alex jones
Hurting you.
They want to brand you with their inoculation.
jordan holmes
My heart's calculating.
unidentified
My true love will be waiting.
jordan holmes
Be waiting at the end of.
alex jones
So, take some Americans to submit.
unidentified
Hit them up.
Hit them up.
Raw high.
Cut them out.
Ride them in.
Ride them in.
Cut them out.
Cut them out.
jordan holmes
Ride them in.
Raw high.
alex jones
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
Ha ha ha.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Raw high.
Yeah.
Raw high.
And that That is the anthem of the Democrats and the globalists.
alex jones
I didn't even get to any of the news.
I went off on a jag about the UN and world government and us being number one on Twitter and the deception around it and them putting up the fake story that I sent child porn to the Sandy Hook families.
I mean, these people are the scum of the earth.
dan friesen
Do your job!
I love that punchline.
jordan holmes
I didn't get to any of the news.
I did just spend the last four minutes singing Rawhide, but I ran out of time to get to the news, damn!
dan friesen
I just did an amazing karaoke version of Rawhide.
I fucked up trying to promote a rally because no one gave me the address.
That was a whole bunch of time.
jordan holmes
A real ton of time.
dan friesen
Really should have got to the news.
Really should have.
Oh, well.
unidentified
Maybe there'll be next time when I do this all over again.
jordan holmes
What, are we gonna run out of news?
What, do you guys need the news today?
Come on, there'll be some more tomorrow.
dan friesen
No more time for news, though, because we gotta get Ali Alexander in here.
And actually, I mean, this guy, he, like I said, he directed, I believe he was the director, he was at least the third wheel in that documentary with Loomer and Wall, which is, I can't stress this enough.
jordan holmes
Great.
Amazing work.
dan friesen
You should never be able to recover from that kind of embarrassment.
jordan holmes
No, it's awesome.
dan friesen
But actually, I think there's a danger to him.
ali alexander
We ought to be really nervous, and that's why I'm so passionate that Team Trump needs to collapse the ticket on the other side.
Tell the progressives and tell the left...
The truth about these authoritarian, mass incarceration, war on drug bigots, these corporatists on the left, and we need the right and the left to come together behind either President Kanye West or President Donald Trump.
alex jones
Ali Alexander, I won infinity, trillion infinity.
I agree with you.
dan friesen
Ali Alexander is expressing here the only real viable strategy Trump has to win, outside of authoritarian moves he's already making, like attacking the Postal Service, which everybody should be very worried about.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, it's great.
You can just turn off the mail.
That's good.
dan friesen
Not good.
In order for Trump to increase his share of votes, you know, he'll be wasting his time trying to convince anyone to vote for him.
jordan holmes
Oh yeah, that'd be stupid.
dan friesen
He's got whatever votes he has, and the rest of the people aren't going to be persuaded.
Thus, the best use of effort is to focus on making sure the other side has as little support as possible.
And as Alexander very astutely points out, there's a real opportunity to erode the support for the Democratic ticket among the progressive and further left contingents in the country.
jordan holmes
Right, because the Democrats are shit.
dan friesen
Well, it's a real...
issue that the Democratic ticket is going to have to face and deal with.
And it would be an issue with or without anyone in the fascist right wing trying to raise the issue.
The strategy that Alexander is laying out is to exacerbate those feelings of disenchantment or disappointment with the ticket in hopes of suppressing the vote enough to put Trump over the top.
The real tell in there is that he considers Kanye a serious candidate.
That's kind of a sign that Ali is a shithead.
The stuff that's been coming out about that whole farce of a campaign is starting to look a Real shady.
And even if the talk about him meeting with Kushner is overblown, you still kind of have to look at his idea of running as an attempt to fuck with the election.
Kanye wouldn't be able to get on enough state ballots to actually win, so the act of running would literally only have the effect of redirecting some votes and being a huge publicity stunt for Kanye himself.
jordan holmes
Very smart.
dan friesen
Anyone pretending to be a serious political commentator who's even entertaining the idea of him running is showing their cards that they're a fucking idiot.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Which is a fair description of Ali Alexander, who again...
It was involved with Jacob Wall and Laura Loomer.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they're either showing their cards that they're an idiot, or they're showing their cards that they need something.
It's either, I do want the ticket split, or I just want the entertainment of being able to cover Kanye West as much as possible.
That's the only reason.
dan friesen
And I think in terms of what he's saying about the progressives and the left, it's like, yeah, that is not...
That is a conversation that is valid on the left.
It's not an argument that's valid coming from the right, because their candidate is much worse.
Them trying to disenchant the left with the Democratic candidate is solely to suppress the Democratic vote, as opposed to...
Conversations about Harris' record or Biden's record on the left, I think you can have conversations about them not being the candidate that you want, but there are productive ways in which you can hopefully push them closer to being in line with the social priorities that you have and the policy priorities.
I think you can have that conversation, and it's a challenge that the left and the Democratic Party are going to have in this election season.
But it isn't a challenge that's insurmountable.
It's not something that I think...
jordan holmes
No, I agree with you that it's not insurmountable.
dan friesen
But the challenge when presented from someone like Ali Alexander is insurmountable.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Because that is solely to be disruptive and destructive.
And I think that there is a really important difference between those two because sometimes they can look similar.
Right.
And I think as the election gets closer, people have to keep a pretty...
Good sense, or try and keep an eye on that.
jordan holmes
It's going to be tough, more than anything else, to differentiate between people who are shit-stirring and people who are having a good-faith conversation, and that's due entirely to the Democratic Party being shit.
Not entirely.
Well, I mean, it's not entirely, but they earned those conversations, and they don't seem to be doing anything to do otherwise.
So, it's one of those circumstances where it is very easy to jump in as a shitster, because you can walk in.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, what is it?
What's that expression?
Like, perfect is the enemy of good?
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
And the expectation being framed from the right of, like, this isn't your perfect candidate, is the enemy of better than Trump.
Of course.
I hate even having conversations about this sort of stuff, because I don't want to ever be a voice that's saying, like, hey, if you have concerns about X, Y, or Z candidates, you should suck it up and shut up.
Because I don't believe that, and I don't agree with that.
unidentified
Of course.
dan friesen
At the same time, I think that, realistically, there are only two possible winners of the next election, and one of them is nightmarish, and the other is...
Not as good as we want, but ideally and hopefully someone who would be receptive to messages and social protest.
So anyway, it's complicated.
I don't know.
Anyway, the point is, I think you're right about the...
It being very difficult to differentiate between pot stirrers and people who are making good faith arguments.
And I think one of the best things you can do is just say, okay, are you somebody who is a known pot stirring fuck?
And then just completely discount any kind of argument that's coming from that.
Like if Mike Cernovich has something to say about the Democratic ticket, go ahead and ignore that.
It's not coming from a place of concern.
About keeping people honest.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
It's coming from a place of trying to sow problems.
And, you know, in that vein, Ali Alexander is somebody who maybe you don't know who that guy is.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Other than being involved in that documentary with Laura Loomer.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
So it's up to Alex to give some credits.
alex jones
Ali Alexander talks to the White House all the time.
He's a high-level political analyst, really smart guy.
dan friesen
There's one thing that's missing.
unidentified
What's that?
dan friesen
And Alex's credits for Ali Alexander.
I'm not talking about the embarrassing documentary.
You see, it turns out that Ali Alexander didn't always go by that name.
He was formerly known as Ali Akbar.
According to an investigation conducted by Breitbart Uncovered, Ali was, quote, convicted in 2007 of charges of credit card fraud and theft between the amounts of $1,500 and $20,000.
jordan holmes
That's how he got the gig at the White House.
dan friesen
Ali was sentenced to a suspended sentence, and from there he moved into his mother's home, where he began to blog.
jordan holmes
Get off the phone!
dan friesen
He started an organization called Vice and Victory, and then a group called the National Bloggers Club.
Hey!
unidentified
Hey!
dan friesen
Great.
According to an article in the Examiner from July 2012, the National Bloggers Club was, quote, listed as a tax-exempt 501c3 status until this writer and others contacted the IRS and learned that the organization did not have legal right to claim such status.
This, some might suspect, looks super shady.
This was not the only entity that Ali would be associated with that had some sketchy relationships with claiming tax-exempt status.
He was associated with the American Liberty Alliance, which is a Tea Party website, back in 2008.
Here's a little bit from an article about this in Crooks and Liars.
Starting off as ALA's technology consultant, Akbar would eventually become chairman of ALA's board, spending much of his time collecting non-deductible donations.
Yes, despite claiming to be in the application process for 501c4 status in August 2009, ALA eventually was embarrassed into posting the following caveat on their website, though not on their donation page.
The American Liberty Alliance is not a 501c3, 501c4, or a political action committee.
We are not registered as a non-profit, and we do not raise funds as such.
Yet, they incorporated under the name American Liberty Alliance a non-profit corporation.
jordan holmes
Well, it's a good name, Dan.
dan friesen
It is catchy.
jordan holmes
It's a good name.
dan friesen
From there, Ali rose through the ranks in some circles of Tea Party grifting.
Along with a lot of those folks, he decided to make the jump to Trump, and that was a profitable decision.
Politico reported on a $60,000 donation that the political action committee he advises got from Robert Mercer in the run-up to the 2016 election.
Also getting tons of money from the Mercers around this time was Milo Yiannopoulos, who probably would still be on that bankroll if BuzzFeed hadn't exposed a very serious pattern of Nazi behavior on Milo's part and that whole thing about his distasteful appearance on Joe Rogan's podcast.
Anyway, my point is that I don't see much substance to Ali Alexander outside of him being a convicted felon whose crime involved fraud, who seemingly made a bit of a career out of being a con artist in Republican political circles, which seems exceedingly easy.
jordan holmes
What are you just gonna not?
Look, I feel like once you get, if you join the Republican Party at a certain level of fame, they just introduce you to the grift.
If you're there, what are you doing not grifting people?
dan friesen
And if you're good at manufacturing some kind of perception of buzz, people will fall for it.
jordan holmes
Teach the grift.
dan friesen
I think that seems to be the picture I've been able to gather.
I don't know.
I mean, if you exist in a place where...
You can hang out with Laura Loomer, Jacob Wall, and Alex Jones, and you don't worry about shooting your credibility in the foot.
You clearly live in a place where credibility is not a relevant concern for you.
jordan holmes
Dan, do you realize the bullet that other people have dodged?
I am a straight white male with a failed comedy career.
I should be on Fox News after dark or whatever with Greg Gutfeld.
I should be grifting right now.
dan friesen
You should be telling people that you're on the top of the food chain.
jordan holmes
I should be grifting.
Why am I not?
I don't know.
That's a terrible idea.
dan friesen
So, Ali gets into some conspiracies here, and my note on this is this is incoherent nonsense, and I was trying to make sense of it in the context that he was providing, and I just, this is just lunacy.
ali alexander
I gotta tell you, you just can't help but reconcile political theory with the Bible and come to these conclusions that...
Oh my gosh.
You know, there really is a deep state.
Oh my gosh.
The Clintons and the Bushes have a relationship that dates back to Arkansas.
Oh my gosh.
When this money goes missing, what is it funding?
Oh my gosh.
When Biden looked like he was going to pick Whitmer or Klobuchar, the BLM riots started.
The Soros family boxed Biden into Kamala Harris.
I got to tell you, it's not lunacy to point out.
What looks inevitable unless we wake up the population and what I tell people now is do not be a reactionary.
Do not just say the opposite of the left.
Believe in something.
Believe in order.
Align yourself with God and then fight for that because what people need to understand, this is the most important thing I'll ever say, is that the Marxists aren't like the left.
It's a spiritual thing for them.
unidentified
What?
dan friesen
I sincerely don't really even understand what the goal or point of that was.
I mean, what does that have to do with the Bible?
You're just spinning weird conspiracies about stuff.
jordan holmes
I guess the only thing that I can pull from the Bible that he might be talking about is obviously Revelation.
Right?
It has to be end times.
It has to be end times.
dan friesen
Yeah, this sort of really politically charged Christianity is almost all Revelation-based.
jordan holmes
But they just don't understand that the book of Revelation wasn't optional.
You know, at no point in time was God in the book of Revelation just being like...
But if you guys work really hard to avoid this, we're going to do it.
I'm sorry.
Look, hey, you guys are on the path to Revelation right now.
dan friesen
That's a good point.
jordan holmes
But if you could just, listen, wake people up and we won't need to worry about that whole apocalypse thing.
dan friesen
Yeah, I guess that is an inherent weirdness.
But I don't understand the point that he's trying to make outside of the message that comes across, which is all these people are evil and has something to do with the Bible.
Right, so there's this zealotry, there's this religious zealotry that's underlying his politics, clearly, which I think is bad.
jordan holmes
Yeah, if part of your religion involves saying, don't look into it, I'm not cool with it.
dan friesen
Well, here's something you should look into.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Witches?
ali alexander
We must ask for God's intervention, and we must walk blindly in faith.
Well, you said it.
alex jones
The globalists are out in the open.
They're calling on Satan, and the one thing they don't want to do is to call on Christ.
ali alexander
They are.
Think about this, Alex.
You've been in this for more than 25 years.
I've been in this for 13 years.
Have we ever seen this many witch covens?
Pray and curse and hex together?
No.
Have we ever seen this many random blood sacrifices?
alex jones
General Flynn came out and said, it is Satan manifesting through communists.
We must call on Christ.
It's there.
dan friesen
You people are extremists.
jordan holmes
Dan.
All these goddamn witches.
dan friesen
So many witches.
jordan holmes
Have you ever seen this many witches?
dan friesen
So many.
jordan holmes
This many witches hexing together.
dan friesen
And have you heard of so many secret blood rituals in forests?
jordan holmes
So many goddamn blood rituals.
dan friesen
That might be close to the bloodline.
jordan holmes
And it's definitely not lunacy to specifically suggest that witch covens, generally speaking, go to the forest under the full moon.
And drink blood.
That's not lunacy, Dan.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
Also...
jordan holmes
Oh, wait, that's the definition of lunacy.
dan friesen
Also, Ali says that he's been in this for 13 years, which would be, what, 2003?
jordan holmes
2007.
dan friesen
Oh, wait, that's the year he got convicted of...
jordan holmes
Oh, is that the year that he got convicted and he had to switch careers?
That's odd.
dan friesen
Convicted of credit card fraud.
Anyway, this is the last clip here, and, I mean, these people are just...
Like, if...
We weren't so desensitized to this.
If you looked at this just in a vacuum, you'd be like, this is sensational, outrageous political belief.
jordan holmes
So this is like fourth episode stuff, I'd lose my shit.
dan friesen
Maybe, yeah.
The notion that you're talking about, you're weaving your political beliefs and your political designs with...
Our enemies are witches and doing blood rituals in the forest, and we must call on God to vanquish them.
jordan holmes
Goddamn witches.
dan friesen
That is outrageous.
jordan holmes
No!
So many witches!
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Dan, I think it's perfectly reasonable to take someone at their word when they say that there are so many goddamn witches around.
dan friesen
So many witches.
jordan holmes
So many witch covens!
dan friesen
Witches.
ali alexander
Get ready.
I mean, they've infiltrated even the good.
Remember, they can't create a contrast with us.
They must infiltrate us.
unidentified
Right.
ali alexander
In order to deceive our believers.
unidentified
That's right.
alex jones
Come back soon.
Don't wait a year.
Come back and get into the election and all the stuff coming out and more on Kamala Harris.
I know you're ready to expose her.
We didn't get to today.
Come back next week.
Ellie Alexander, thank you so much.
Very impressed.
dan friesen
Very impressed.
jordan holmes
I was not.
If you say something like, have you ever seen this many witch covens around?
And then somebody's like, hey, listen, we got to have you back on to talk about the election.
Listen.
Those are some political opinions I want to hear.
dan friesen
Listen, Ali, I used to know this guy named Larry.
He was a mope, and he talked about witches a bunch, and I really enjoyed it, but he kind of got out of pocket, and I don't want to talk...
jordan holmes
Blackmailed Congress, man.
dan friesen
Well, we got over that, but then he just got embarrassing.
I don't want to have him back on, but I do like witches.
Can you fill that hole?
jordan holmes
Are you my witch guy?
dan friesen
Can you be my witch guy?
jordan holmes
Can you be my witch guy?
1-800-WITCHGUYS.
Call us.
dan friesen
I wish.
I wish I would have got that number.
jordan holmes
Oh, that would have been great.
dan friesen
Anyway, this was a bit more humorous than I expected it to be.
I mean, there's a lot of fun in there.
And I'm glad there was that.
I know that there's been a little bit of stagnation with Alex, but I want to try and comfort the audience and let them know that we've been doing a lot of present-day stuff, but we have some plans for some really exciting stuff that's coming down the pike.
In terms of other more substantive, more meaningful content than just laughing at Alex's dumbass.
So get excited with that.
Hold on for...
A moment, and that will be upon us.
jordan holmes
We're working on it.
dan friesen
But, until the next time, we'll be back, but we have a website.
jordan holmes
We do have a website.
It's knowledgefight.com.
dan friesen
Yep, we'll be on Twitter.
jordan holmes
We are on Twitter.
It's at knowledgefight.net.
Go to bed, Jordan.
dan friesen
Yep, we're on Facebook.
jordan holmes
We are on Facebook.
And if you could, please find a local charity or bail fund in your area to help out people doing God's work right now.
dan friesen
We're back, but until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZXClark.
I'm Daryl Rundis.
I'm Rawhide.
unidentified
What?
dan friesen
That doesn't even make sense.
It's not a person.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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