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Aug. 7, 2020 - Knowledge Fight
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#466: August 5-6, 2020

Today, Dan and Jordan wrestle with a couple of strange days on the Alex Jones Show. In this installment, Alex continues his trajectory toward becoming a more violent version of Jim Bakker, seems jealous of the NRA getting sued, and lands a top tier guest.

Participants
Main voices
a
alex jones
16:01
d
dan friesen
01:05:29
d
darrel rundus
05:21
j
jordan holmes
27:20
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donald j trump
00:19
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Speaker Time Text
alex jones
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys.
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
Dan and George.
Knowledge fight.
Need money.
Andy in Kansas.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
unidentified
Stop it.
Andy in Kansas.
alex jones
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air.
unidentified
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody!
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk just a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan!
Jordan!
jordan holmes
Quick question for you.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot today?
dan friesen
My bright spot today is that you're wearing the exact same shirt you were wearing the last time we were.
jordan holmes
Was I wearing?
dan friesen
I just have to call you out.
I mean, it is a Black Lives Matter at school shirt.
jordan holmes
I love it.
It's a three-quarter sleeve.
That's the trick.
Also, I only wear it for like the four hours I'm outside of my apartment.
Otherwise, I'm wearing Mr. Rogers sweaters.
I change clothes.
dan friesen
The amount of time you're out of the house is equivalent to like one day over the course of a week.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
I'm not judging.
I'm sorry.
That's not my bright spot.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
It's okay.
dan friesen
I made the announcement on our last episode that I was going to declare my pet.
Give this big reveal.
And I will say, it has not set the world on fire with anticipation the way I'd hoped.
jordan holmes
Oh, I'm sorry, Dan.
dan friesen
I'm sorry.
jordan holmes
I'm sorry this hasn't worked out the way the year of the Seltzer did.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I think you're 50, you know, you're one for two.
That's great.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's not bad.
In terms of nonsense that I've wasted on the public, people were a lot more excited about giving me suggestions when I said I was going to get a new pet.
And I appreciate everybody's suggestion.
And actually, what ended up becoming the plan...
It's very much an offshoot of somebody's suggestion.
I had got a message from somebody who was like, you should get these hissing cockroaches.
You should raise hissing cockroaches.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
And it bounced around in my head a bit, and I was like, no, absolutely not.
That's a good call.
jordan holmes
I like that answer.
dan friesen
I don't want pet cockroaches.
I grew up in Hawaii, and there were huge cockroaches there.
Not interested.
jordan holmes
Nah, come on.
Face your fears.
dan friesen
I'm not afraid of them.
I just don't care for it.
jordan holmes
Fair enough.
dan friesen
But I started to think about, like, I've never really had a bug pet.
I've had, like, cats, dogs in the house.
I had a lot of lizards when I used to live in Hawaii.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And so I decided, like, a praying mantis is pretty cool.
jordan holmes
It is fairly cool.
dan friesen
I like the idea of maybe having a mantis.
jordan holmes
Right.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
So I decided maybe that's the way to go.
And then I thought of the pun name.
Old Mantis house phone.
jordan holmes
Oh no, you've got no choice.
You've got no choice.
dan friesen
That's the end.
So I have not got this Mantis yet, but that is the decision and it will be forthcoming and I will provide pictures of its cool terrarium and that whenever Old Mantis house phone arrives.
What's your bright spot?
jordan holmes
My bright spot is I started recording On my audiobook, I started reading it, and then I listened back to some of it.
No, no, no, it's fine, but I genuinely, like, I don't do voices so much, but my voice is so wildly, like, it does all kinds of shit.
Even though I've spent literally the past 15 years on a microphone talking, listening back to that, I'm like...
I don't know how to narrate shit.
dan friesen
That's what I meant by awful.
I wasn't saying that your shit is awful.
Just the experience of that.
It's miserable.
jordan holmes
No, all of a sudden I'm like, and then Dr. Bumfuck walked to the store, and then Dr. Bumfuck!
And I'm like, no, that's not how Jordan talks.
I don't understand.
dan friesen
That's a tough process, but I'm sure a lot of people will enjoy...
The fruit of that label.
jordan holmes
We'll see if they like my nasal explanation of bullshit.
dan friesen
Perhaps they will.
jordan holmes
I hope so.
dan friesen
Jordan, today we've got an interesting episode to go over.
We have a couple of days here.
We get August 5th and 6th, 2020.
I'm Dan, this is 2020.
jordan holmes
Goddammit.
dan friesen
That is Wednesday and Thursday of this week, if you're nasty.
Okay.
And...
jordan holmes
Am I?
dan friesen
I don't know, probably.
unidentified
Okay, fair.
dan friesen
I'll wait until the audiobook comes out to find out.
Yeah, I don't know.
I think that there's a lot to unpack here, but not so much stuff that requires any kind of focused attention.
I was telling you before the show that I have barely any notes.
There is very little to debunk here.
But there's enough stuff that is meriting attention and trends that are continuing that I think are worthwhile and a couple of pretty funny things.
And one guest who I have...
Man.
You need a new booking agent.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
I mean, it's not like a, you know, Nick Fuentes or Jesse Lee Peterson where it's like, yeah, this is an offensive guest.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
It's more just like a, what?
jordan holmes
It's more like Larry from down the way.
dan friesen
It's more like Marty Schachter, the soap limerick guy from days past.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but he was great.
dan friesen
Yeah, that is true.
Speaking of things that are great, Jordan, let's take a little moment here before we get to the episode to thank some folks who have signed up on our sporting show.
So first, Matt K. Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Matt.
dan friesen
You think that's Matt Kemp?
I know you love baseball.
jordan holmes
No, I don't believe that is Matt Kemp.
unidentified
He can't afford me anymore.
dan friesen
I don't know any more baseball players' names.
jordan holmes
Fair enough.
Sean Kemp?
Is that Sean?
dan friesen
I'm going to drop the bet here.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Next, Brian J. Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Brian.
dan friesen
Any baseball player come to mind?
jordan holmes
Not off the top of my head.
dan friesen
Oh, this is a baseball term.
Part of it.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Next, thank you so much, Bleep Bloop.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
It's a bloop single.
Yes, Dan, you're killing it.
dan friesen
Next, Justice S. Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, David Justice S. Spelled differently.
dan friesen
It's J-U-S-T-U-S.
jordan holmes
Oh, goddammit.
dan friesen
Sorry.
jordan holmes
I apologize.
dan friesen
Next, Brian B. Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, Brian.
dan friesen
Did Brian Boitano ever play any of the rock and jock, MTV rock and jock games?
jordan holmes
I don't think he did.
I don't think he did.
dan friesen
Let's pretend he did.
jordan holmes
Was he a diver?
dan friesen
This next one's going to be tough for you.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Butt Soup.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Butt Soup.
Honestly, I think that one might be easier than Brian, even though I can't think of any off the top.
unidentified
Played shortstop for the Reds back in 74. Somebody's last name was Butt Soup.
jordan holmes
In the 1910s, in the dead ball era, there's like...
Lawrence butt soup.
Hit 340 one year.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
Next, Karsten D. Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Karsten.
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
And then finally, I'd like to say thank you to somebody who donated on an elevated level.
We appreciate that very much.
So, Robert A., thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
Crikey, mate.
That's fantastic.
Have yourself a brew.
How's your 401k doing, bro?
All right, we got to go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, all right?
Let's just get down to business.
We ain't making that money off that heroin.
Why are you pimp so good?
My neck is freakishly large.
I declare Infowar on you!
dan friesen
Thank you so much, Robert!
jordan holmes
Yes, thank you very much, Robert.
dan friesen
If you're out there listening and you're thinking, hey, I enjoyed the show, I'd like to support what these gents do, you can do that by going to our website, knowledgefight.com, clicking the button that says support the show, we would appreciate it.
jordan holmes
It would be lovely.
dan friesen
Now, Jordan, before we get to the episode proper, we've got a little business to take care of.
jordan holmes
We've got some business up top.
dan friesen
We've got a little bit of business.
And quite frankly, the way that this is going on this podcast at this point, I feel like we should do a spin-off show that has nothing to do with Alex Jones, where we just take care of business.
jordan holmes
It's just knowledge business.
dan friesen
Knowledge business.
jordan holmes
We're not doing fights here.
We're not doing business.
We're not doing fights.
dan friesen
But one thing, I realized this was coming up in the not-too-distant future, and it's something that I had given blessing to and what have you, but I was very hands-off with the planning of, and so I forgot that there would probably be a real reason to make an official announcement about this, but there was a WonkFest meetup that was planned in September.
jordan holmes
We would like that to go on.
I mean, literally, we need thousands of people as close to...
dan friesen
It's not going to happen in person, obviously, due to the coronavirus and COVID situation.
But from what I understand, the people who are planning it are trying to come up with some sort of a digital version of it or some online thing.
And I just wanted to make sure that in case anybody still thought it might be happening in person in Chicago, we're not doing a live show in September.
jordan holmes
Despite our editorial stance on large gatherings, we've got to let this happen.
I mean, it's for the wonks.
It's not about us.
dan friesen
I don't know about that.
So I just wanted to make sure that was clear and stated.
Jordan?
jordan holmes
Yes, sir.
dan friesen
Other bit of business.
We gotta take a little trip over to the mailbag.
jordan holmes
Okay.
What's in there today?
dan friesen
Well, Jordan, today, first, we got a nice little letter I'm gonna read.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Dear Dan and Jordan, I've been listening to the show over a year and wanted to do something nice for you guys.
One aspect of your show that's been a pleasant surprise is the digressions into classic sci-fi, specifically Philip K. Dick.
As someone with a degree in literature and a Philip K. Dick slash Ray Bradbury inspired half-sleeve, you can imagine my excitement when you guys start talking dick.
Anyway, enough about me.
Here are some sci-fi novels.
For Jordan...
jordan holmes
Oh, we've been given sci-fi novels.
Oh my, he's pulling them out of a...
Well, I mean, it's not a literal mailbag, it's just the edge of his desk, but it's nice anyways.
dan friesen
For Jordan, a copy of Roger Zelansky's classic sci-fi satire, Doorways in the Sand.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
Zelansky is one of my favorite classic sci-fi authors.
Sadly, most of his work is no longer in print, so I have to make do with raiding antique stores.
While reading the quiet part loud, I was reminded of Zelansky's work due to your characterization of Dave's...
All right.
Absolutely.
For the show, a copy of The Cosmic Rape, just because that title sounds like something Alex has accused the globalists and their Antifa gremlins of attempting to do via lame boomer spirit cooking performance.
jordan holmes
That does sound right.
dan friesen
Thanks for all the work you do for putting into a fantastic podcast.
Best Wonk Mason.
P.S. Here's a summary of David Foster Wallace's Infinite Justice.
Sad kid is really good at tennis.
Sad adult is really good at being an ex-junkie.
Not all assassins have legs.
Using endnotes in a novel is a mistake.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that sounds about right.
dan friesen
Thank you so much, Mason.
A delightful note.
And I cannot wait to read these two novels because the other one's not for me.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that'll be great.
I'll let you borrow it.
dan friesen
Oh, okay.
All right.
jordan holmes
I mean, it's not like they're branded.
It's not tied.
I'm not hand-caved to it like a briefcase.
dan friesen
Hand-caved?
jordan holmes
Hand-caved.
Oh, God damn it.
This is why I'm a bad audiobook nerd.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
There's another bag in here.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
There's a bag inside the bag.
dan friesen
What's this?
Oh, are these shirts?
jordan holmes
They look like shirts.
dan friesen
We've got a couple of shirts, especially for each of us.
unidentified
Holy shit.
jordan holmes
This is the greatest thing I've ever seen.
dan friesen
You have a blue one.
Oh, my God.
That says Spider Leadership.
jordan holmes
It says Spider Leadership on it!
dan friesen
And I got sort of a marigold situation with a feline Contessa.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
With Selene, I assume, although Selene's not a black cat.
But a black cat with a crown on top.
jordan holmes
Love it.
dan friesen
And I got a little note.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
As soon as...
Dan and Jordan.
As soon as you announced the Knowledge Fight box, I was dying to send something, but at a loss to think of what you would want.
In the end, I decided to send something homemade.
Maybe next time, a box will be more inspired.
I think these are incredibly...
jordan holmes
Those are incredibly inspired.
dan friesen
P.S. Hope the sizes are right.
Which I'm very insulted by because this is a large and yours is a medium.
jordan holmes
Oh, Dan.
unidentified
Oh.
dan friesen
Very insulted.
jordan holmes
Oh, he knows our sizes.
dan friesen
Very insulted, but correct.
That was from Black Dragon Queen Christy.
Thank you so much.
jordan holmes
Oh, yes.
Thank you very much, Christy.
dan friesen
Just awesome.
Awesome, cool shirts.
I don't even think I want to wear that.
I might put that up on the wall.
jordan holmes
It's going up on my wall for sure.
dan friesen
Yeah, it looks gorgeous.
jordan holmes
It's incredible.
dan friesen
And I worry about wearing it like I would wear it off or something.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Somehow wear and tear would come into play.
jordan holmes
You can't ruin your feline Contessa shirt.
dan friesen
No, certainly not.
Unzip.
That's the end of the bag.
jordan holmes
That's the end of the bag.
dan friesen
But very exciting look.
unidentified
Yes, that was exhaustive.
dan friesen
So, we're going to start here on August 5th.
And Alex has decided he's going to jump into the narrative about Beirut.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
And the explosion there.
jordan holmes
No, no.
dan friesen
Trump said, hey, maybe it's an attack.
jordan holmes
Yes, our president's great.
dan friesen
And Alex has decided he's going to go ahead and run with that.
jordan holmes
Of course.
unidentified
You called this an attack?
Are you confident that this was an attack and not an accident?
alex jones
Well, it would seem like it based on the explosion.
donald j trump
I've met with some of our great generals, and they just seemed to feel that it was.
This was not some kind of a manufacturing explosion type of event.
This seems to be, according to them, they would know better than I would, but they seemed to think it was an attack.
unidentified
It was a bomb of some kind, yes.
alex jones
Now, many times Trump comes out and tells you it's a bomb before the intelligence agencies come out and say it, because he's allowed to declassify whatever he wants under the National Security Act of 1947.
Just like the president can give people pardons.
That's what we do.
We, the people, elect someone who has an ace in the hole, an ace of spades card to play.
jordan holmes
Is that what we elect?
alex jones
And the left always acts like the president doesn't have that power.
The president can do whatever he wants as long as we don't impeach him.
It's up to us.
We the People's Congress believes what he's done is wrong, and we can prove that it was bad, then he can be removed.
But he's not above the law.
He represents we the people and our law.
dan friesen
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
So, this is a Frost Nixon-style moment of, if the president does it, it's not illegal unless he gets impeached.
jordan holmes
Unless he gets impeached.
See, there you go.
That was the loophole I didn't know.
dan friesen
Trump did get impeached.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah, but the We the People's Congress, though, decided that we...
I don't appreciate him saying we the people that much.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's a strange view of civics.
jordan holmes
Considering he's gone full authoritarian fascist on us.
dan friesen
And Alex, he's got a really interesting position on this.
He's decided...
I wanted to spin this into, it was probably Israel.
Oh, okay.
jordan holmes
Alright, sure.
dan friesen
And he's basing that on comments Netanyahu has made in the past about Hezbollah having stations and missiles in Lebanon.
And so Alex has taken that and he's combined it with Trump talking shit.
And now he's turned it into Trump is declassifying that Israel...
jordan holmes
You did this.
I'm a huge fan of just making up things and then declassifying it.
dan friesen
It's irresponsible.
jordan holmes
You don't have to classify made-up bullshit.
It's not declassified.
It's just made-up bullshit he said.
dan friesen
It's irresponsible conjecture on Alex's part.
And kind of gross.
Very super gross.
So, Alex, there's not a lot going on that I found compelling or all that interesting.
Although Alex does start rambling a little bit about...
He's seen a video of someone getting stabbed.
And I believe, if I understand the video that he's talking about correctly, it was some Trump supporter type stabbing a left-wing person.
jordan holmes
Well, Trump called that an accident and said that Lebanon did it.
dan friesen
And Alex is saying that it was Israel.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
I don't know all the particular details of that video, but it leads to Alex rambling about how he should stab people.
alex jones
Because all you've got to do with a knife, folks, is everything is speed.
Everything is speed.
Just like you can take a dowel when you're a kid, a little stick, and cut other branches with it.
That's how fast you're swinging.
And all you do is just right through those guts.
And anybody out there is going to leave you alone in their guts.
They've got about a seven-inch cut in them, and the guts start coming out.
They'll live, but they're going to leave you alone real quick.
Now, if you want to kill them, right in the carotid, just bam, you're dead.
Bye-bye.
You know, a lot of people like to shank people.
Stab, stab, stab.
jordan holmes
A lot of people like to shank people.
alex jones
That's usually if you're assaulting somebody and they're on you.
Yeah, that's what you do.
They usually get off you pretty quick.
I've been stabbed a couple times.
People have started it.
But, you know, that's just how it works, ladies and gentlemen.
And, anyways, I'm digressing.
Let me give the number out.
dan friesen
Yeah, quite a bit.
Digressing quite a bit.
jordan holmes
You want to kill somebody, you go straight for the chiro.
I am digressing a little bit.
dan friesen
A lot of people like to play the stabby, stabby shank game.
jordan holmes
A lot of people...
I like to shake people, but that's not how you do it.
Sure, it'll get them off you pretty quick.
dan friesen
Child's play, this shaking.
I've been stabbed, but it was only when I was defending myself.
jordan holmes
You know, when I was younger, I used to take karate lessons, and there were always the older guys in the locker room.
Who were all these karate guys, white nationalist karate guys, big burly tattoos.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
And they would always talk shit about how best to kill somebody.
dan friesen
Of course.
jordan holmes
And you're like, that's what I hear from Alex.
Because I was there, and even as a nine-year-old kid, I'm like, you guys are full of shit!
You know, like that kind of thing.
dan friesen
I don't understand why Alex would do this sort of thing on a show.
Every now and again, you have to take a step back and recognize that he tries to pretend this is news.
This is a news show.
And I don't know.
I mean, if you're covering a news story of someone getting stabbed at a protest or something, I don't know why you would editorialize the best way to shank people and get their guts out.
unidentified
They'll leave you alone.
dan friesen
I don't know why...
jordan holmes
Brian Stelter reporting on a shooting isn't then going to be like, now...
Just so you know, what you're going to want to do is focus on hitting center mass.
You think that the headshot is going to do the job quicker, but you're going to miss!
Move real quick!
dan friesen
That's video game shit.
jordan holmes
You're going to miss!
Brian Stelter is letting you know.
Aim for center mass.
dan friesen
It's very weird.
jordan holmes
Anyways, I've got to put the number out right now.
dan friesen
Alex keeps talking about how he needs to go to calls, does not end up going to calls until about an hour and a half into the episode.
Sure, sure.
But instead what he does is he puts out a call.
That he better fucking hope that his listeners don't respond to.
alex jones
So I think we really should call for Adler to be recalled.
And I call for him to be thrown out of the W. He's up living on the top penthouse.
And I call for the W to be boycotted until he's gone.
And I call for people to start going in the W and making scenes in there every Friday and Saturday night until Adler has his ass thrown out of there.
Because he's not essential.
He's an un-American globalist riding Chi-Com ding-a-ling.
jordan holmes
Family show.
alex jones
Family show.
jordan holmes
Got him!
dan friesen
Got him!
jordan holmes
I scooped him!
dan friesen
Ah, Alex.
Family show indeed.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
unidentified
Anyways, the best way to write a Chinese dig a lake.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, he better hope that his listeners don't end up going to where the mayor of Austin lives, because they don't have a good track record of peaceful, normal demonstration.
jordan holmes
Now, make a scene!
dan friesen
Let's, I mean, let's say something does happen.
I mean, look.
Quite honestly, now Alex has put himself in a position where if anything happens at the W, no matter who does it, this looks really bad for him.
He should not be encouraging people to go to the homes of specific people.
jordan holmes
No, go to their homes.
dan friesen
It's very bad.
jordan holmes
Break into the first floor and make a scene every Friday and Saturday night.
Then we'll recall them.
Easy.
dan friesen
I don't even think that it's a great idea for people who are trying to have a responsible...
I encourage people to just randomly go places and make a scene.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
I don't know if that's productive.
jordan holmes
Targeted action probably makes more sense.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I don't know.
Anyway, I think it's a bad escalation or refinement of Alex's...
He's been talking a bit about civil disobedience lately in a way that I feel like he doesn't know what it means.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Civil disobedience, is that the one where you shank people?
dan friesen
Well, a lot of people think that it is.
jordan holmes
Okay, well.
dan friesen
So, Alex gets to talking about people who have the opinion that there should be police defunding and such, and his position on it is that...
They want to take over the police in order to create their own Gestapos, basically.
jordan holmes
Oh, that makes sense.
dan friesen
And specifically, he has this to say about Ilhan Omar.
And he says that she wants to get rid of the police in order to create her own sort of SS.
alex jones
Sure.
dan friesen
Which is obviously the conversation that people are having.
Makes total sense.
jordan holmes
That sounds like something I've heard her say in the past.
dan friesen
Now, he can't have this point or make this position without...
Getting very explicitly racist.
alex jones
Ilhan Omar says we're going to abolish the Minneapolis police and then we're going to create a new group under her.
Because that woman can't build a civilization.
Because the minute that she comes from pirate slaver stock, most of Africa had pirate slavers.
It's the Somalis that sold more black people than anybody else on earth.
That particular tribe.
That's why she's part white.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Alright.
dan friesen
How does someone's brain work this way and then they think like, I'm not a bigot.
jordan holmes
That's a complex...
Tapestry of nonsense racism.
I don't even understand what kind of racism you're really going for.
dan friesen
She is incapable of creating civilization, which I don't know what that means.
On its own, I don't know what that means.
jordan holmes
Honestly, I guess that's fine.
That's not even offensive.
I'm incapable of creating civilization.
So there we go.
dan friesen
There's something to unpack there that I don't really understand how.
I don't know what that means, to create civilization or whatever.
jordan holmes
She's not able to do it.
dan friesen
I guess what he's saying is that she's not capable or able to be in a leadership position of some sort because she's from Somalia.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it does seem like more to the point what he's saying is that everyone who's non-white cannot create a civilization.
dan friesen
No, just the ones who have pirate stock.
unidentified
But we gotta give it up to the pirates, Dan!
dan friesen
I don't understand.
jordan holmes
She comes from pirates.
dan friesen
Yeah.
She comes from bad stock.
jordan holmes
Knowing nothing about her but the color of her skin and that her political views are different than mine.
dan friesen
And that she's from Somalia.
She was a refugee and came here and Alex believes that she should be thanking America for...
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
And then she's pissing all over everybody by not being a Trump supporter or something.
jordan holmes
How do you know what kind of stock someone comes from?
dan friesen
Well, Alex actually has discussed that in the past.
And that is just based on the fact that she's lighter skinned than he would expect her to be being from Africa.
jordan holmes
That's right.
I forgot his also complex and comprehensive knowledge of DNA.
dan friesen
He has explicitly said that that is why he knows that she comes from a legacy of slavers.
Which is actually exactly what he says there.
That's why she's part white.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
All right.
We're doing great.
We're at the gate.
dan friesen
Alex is a fucking mess.
jordan holmes
He is a monster.
dan friesen
Which actually makes me feel like, hey, when he says things like this next clip, it's like, yeah, do it, dick.
alex jones
And I don't want to say I'm depressed.
I'm not depressed.
I'm so pissed that I think I'm just saying this.
I'm going to leave.
You know, I tried to take off a few weeks here and there, but I didn't really take off.
And it's not that I can't handle the news.
It's just that maybe I'll go out the street.
Maybe I'll go.
Over to the W and protest where the mayor lives.
Maybe I'll go to Barton Springs and climb over the fence without doing a COVID-19 test and swim in the creek.
Maybe I'll just physically go out there and not submit to these people and do reports on the street.
Because I can sit here and just read the chronicle of the takeover of civilization and pure evil by psychotics that are out to get everybody.
But really, you watch the public getting into their own enslavement and all the lazy neuroticness of people unable to get anything done.
And it just makes me wonder, man, why didn't God just kill us all?
unidentified
Whoa!
dan friesen
That took a turn.
But when I'm sitting here, I'm thinking, like, he's just like, maybe I should just leave.
Yes, do it.
You should leave.
You're bad at this now.
You suck.
You are just turning into a more violent-minded, like, doomsday preacher type.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Just like a Jim Baker who wants to punch people.
Like, I don't give a shit.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
He's just a whiner.
Yeah, very whiny.
That's just so, oh, maybe I'll go out into the street myself then.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, just shut up.
dan friesen
And that's where it disappears for me.
Or, like, that's where it turns for me into, like, a go fuck yourself.
Because he's just like, maybe I should just go out and, like, go to Barton Springs without getting a test.
And it's like, okay.
I mean, like, you'd think that that's...
Some sort of civil disobedience.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Fine.
Whatever.
I don't think it's a good idea, but you're doing what you do.
But then he's like, and then I'll make field pieces.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And it's like, okay, all you're saying is I sit here on air and I read these dumb headlines and I rant about the devil.
And it's not doing business.
And I need more attention.
What can I do?
Publicity stunts.
I'm going to climb a fence and go to Barton Springs.
I'm going to break into something like it's Bohemian Grove.
I'm going to go to the W and yell at the mayor.
jordan holmes
You're right.
It's like when What's-Her-Face handcuffed herself to the door.
unidentified
Laura Loomer.
jordan holmes
Laura Loomer handcuffed herself to the door and you could still get in the other one.
dan friesen
And the security guard is like, I can take those off for you.
I'll stay here for a little while.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
It's like, come on.
You don't even know how to do it right.
You're just a nuisance.
Like, he gets into the creek and you're like, fucking fine!
Just go!
dan friesen
I don't know what the situation is with Barton Springs.
And I feel like it's more of a local issue than I care about.
But yeah, I mean, like, if he wants to, like, I don't know, chain himself to the fence at Barton Springs.
jordan holmes
Go for it.
dan friesen
Some sort of civil disobedience.
Some sort of a way to raise awareness that he wants to swim without getting a COVID test.
jordan holmes
Yeah!
dan friesen
Whatever.
Do it.
jordan holmes
Man, you're supposed to be so manly and strong and powerful, and then you just keep whining about stuff you could literally do at the drop of a hat.
dan friesen
Any of these things.
jordan holmes
Yeah, just say, I'm going to do this.
alex jones
Wow.
jordan holmes
Don't whine about something that you could do.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, we all know that when you say that you're going to do something, you end up not doing it.
jordan holmes
Well.
dan friesen
Because your brain has tricked yourself into thinking that you've already done it, and so now Alex thinks that he's already taken down the mayor and swam.
unidentified
He's not.
jordan holmes
No, I don't remember him doing that.
dan friesen
When I hear that, I'm like, okay, the impulse to quit is good, but it falls all apart when you realize that, oh, this is just like, I'm not getting enough attention, I need to escalate things to get attention.
Or maybe he does want to quit.
alex jones
And here's the thing I've been going through with this Telos phone system for years.
So don't...
Today's going to be a new day.
When I go for a caller, when I say their name, we hit the button.
And it goes...
So they don't hear me saying their name.
So the new thing I'm going to do is I'm going to say their name once, and then I'm going to say it again, and we go to it the second time.
And we are going to defeat this.
Just defeat this.
This one thing.
I love calls.
The part I hate is the connecting with them.
And the hello, hello, hello.
So we're going to do this right now.
We got Jim.
We got Brandon.
We got Mike.
We got Nicholas.
We got Wild.
We got Joe.
We got Carlos.
We got John.
We got David.
I love Carlos.
He's a long-time regular caller.
I'm going to stop bitching and be a whiny ass.
Maybe I just won't be here for a few weeks.
Maybe I'll just quit and leave.
I'm serious.
Do it.
Dude, I tell you, I don't want to be around it anymore.
Carlos in Canada, you're on the air.
Go ahead.
dan friesen
What an intro.
Fucking Carlos has got to feel good about that.
I don't even want to be here anymore.
jordan holmes
I hate this show.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And it's all because the callers don't recognize I'm talking to them and if we can just defeat this.
There's so many ways to defeat that.
Have your fucking screener explain the situation to all of the callers when they call in and get put on hold.
jordan holmes
Nah.
dan friesen
Here's another way you can do it.
Hey, we'll be a caller.
You're calling into my radio show.
So let's say that everything is exactly as Alex says.
He says the name and then they hear a K and they don't hear their name because of the K or whatever.
Here's how you handle that.
You've called in.
Jordan!
How's it going, Jordan?
What's going on with you?
unidentified
I didn't hear the K. No, okay, the coot would have been after I said Jordan.
dan friesen
You would have then heard the how's it going, Jordan.
jordan holmes
I understand, but the character is waiting for the...
dan friesen
So many behavioral changes that could be made that are so fucking simple that would solve this problem or upgrade your phone system.
Any of these...
Oh, God.
So sad that he's been not solving this problem for...
It's like somebody who's like...
I don't know.
I have a headache and you just complain for an entire day instead of taking an aspirin.
This is comical to me that it makes him so mad.
jordan holmes
So he's been using this phone system for years.
dan friesen
Conceivably, yeah.
jordan holmes
He has had this problem for years.
And just now, on air, he's coming up with a solution for it.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
At no point in time did he ever have a...
dan friesen
I'm sure he's had backstage conversations.
unidentified
Has he?
jordan holmes
They're not hard to solve.
That's not hard to solve.
dan friesen
But he's sorry.
Alex is sorry that he's being a mope.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
And again, folks, I apologize if I get down on air.
The show's not an act.
The media says it's an act.
It's the opposite of that.
What you see on air is what's going on, okay?
And I'll try to tough it out.
I get in a nasty mood and I apologize.
It's just I'm really pissed.
I know you are too.
I'm at my breaking point, man.
I'm telling you.
I'll be right back.
Stay with us.
dan friesen
I think that there's something that I've been thinking about with Alex lately, and I think that his show is actually abusive to his audience, and I think a big part of it is what he thinks his authenticity is so deeply emotionally manipulative.
I think that there's a certain amount of the audience that almost probably feels held captive by his outbursts.
jordan holmes
Sure.
Sure, it's like having an alcoholic dad.
It's like you're on constant high alert, waiting for that little moment that's going to set him off.
So you're almost paralyzed until he does.
dan friesen
Right, but if you take those outbursts as being about something grander, and being about the devil or the globalist, as opposed to, my ex-wife is suing me.
Or, hey, I've been saying that my mouthwash is magic, and it's not.
jordan holmes
It's not magic.
dan friesen
And I'm in trouble about it.
jordan holmes
You are in trouble.
dan friesen
Or, I lied about Sandy Hook, and I can't get that case to go away.
Sure.
Like, if you take those outbursts that are about, like, the consequences of Alex's actions that are eating at him, and, oh, I don't know how to use my phone system.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Like, you take those outbursts, and you change them and elevate them to being like, no.
Alex is actually mad because the devil's out to get him.
Then, like, oh, God.
It's just...
I don't know.
It's a mess.
jordan holmes
The Lord works in mysterious ways, but the devil only deals with phone systems.
That is something that we all know.
That's why, you know, you lose service if you're in the basement.
dan friesen
I just think it's very wrong, the way Alex behaves.
He should comport himself better.
jordan holmes
But, I mean, he's romanticizing his problems in order to avoid actually dealing with his problems.
You know, it's just, it's easier to be like, oh, it's the devil, and it's easier for people to believe it's the devil, because if he starts to deal with real-world problems on the show, that's a real bummer for everybody.
It's not a conspiracy.
It's literally, you're going to get sued out of oblivion.
dan friesen
It's true.
jordan holmes
You know, like, that's less romantic.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
If it's the devil coming to kill you.
dan friesen
But I think Alex knows that.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
And he recognizes, like, this show doesn't sell.
If it's, you need to buy water filtration systems so I can pay my legal fees for things I lied to you about in the past.
And that's not cool to me.
jordan holmes
Guys, I'm starting to use I feel statements at the advice of my therapist.
So I feel like you're going to need to buy this magic toothpaste.
Otherwise, I can't afford to pay my therapist anymore.
Right.
dan friesen
But at least as all this has been going on and things have been getting, like, really ramping up, Alex does, you know, he wants you to know that you shouldn't be violent to people.
alex jones
So, you know, we've just gone too far.
We've gone too far putting up with this politically.
And I'm not saying we should offensively get violent, but my brain and my genes, my cells, are saying kill, kill, kill, kill.
Kill.
Kill.
I mean, they're killing us.
Bill Gates is coming with a weapon to kill us slowly and laugh about it!
dan friesen
So I guess it's not offensive violence ever.
jordan holmes
No, I mean, Bill Gates is coming to kill you with a weapon.
dan friesen
And Alex said they're killing us.
Yeah.
So...
jordan holmes
I don't understand how that could be any more you'll know when the time is right.
dan friesen
Yeah, I know.
jordan holmes
Because I just told you.
dan friesen
Because he constantly is doing that now.
And every vein and part of my body is saying, kill, kill, kill.
The audience is going to hear that repetition.
He's just normalizing these sorts of feelings that someone listening might have.
jordan holmes
He's the fucking Shining.
He's the Outlook Hotel and the Shining.
He's inspiring people to go kill their families.
Don't shank, alright?
A lot of people want to shank.
But when you're kill, kill, kill, kill, killing, you gotta slash.
dan friesen
I remember that from the movie.
So, Alex does get to calls, and he talks to Carlos, who's a long-time caller who sucks and is boring.
I'm not going to listen to any of that.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Instead, we jump forward to a caller who explains to Alex that finding Infowars was a divine thing for him.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
unidentified
Oh, what's on my mind?
First of all, I just want the listeners to know the reason why I started listening to you a few years back, about six, seven years ago, was that the Holy Ghost led me to you.
And the message was, when the first words that I heard come out your mouth, was that the goal in life was to have a true life.
And this is what I always know in all my life.
And this is what I always try to explain and spread the message and let people understand and let the Holy Ghost do the rest of the work.
So I just want your listeners to know that's the reason why I listen to you.
I was led to you by the Holy Ghost, so I know I'm in the right place.
dan friesen
This is such zealotry.
jordan holmes
That's not good.
dan friesen
On a deep level on this show.
This show is like...
jordan holmes
This is big tent revivalism if everybody's armed.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, I know I sort of touched on this earlier, but this is just a violent Jim Baker kind of at this point.
Listening to these two episodes, I really experienced far more of like, this is...
Like, low-key transitioned into a complete religious zealotry show.
jordan holmes
Sinners in the hands of an angry Alex.
dan friesen
It's so much more that.
Anyway, Alex gets another call, and this guy is a little Unabomber-ish, maybe.
A little bit anti-technology.
jordan holmes
He got a little Unabomber-ing?
dan friesen
But he has some good advice for Alex.
unidentified
I'd like you to go ahead and throw away our cell phone.
We don't need them.
Get our landlines back.
Go ahead and get rid of our computers.
We don't need those.
We'll go back old school.
jordan holmes
Old school's the only school.
unidentified
As in for you having your hate, you might want to take some yoga classes to understand the more angry they make you, the more they control you.
jordan holmes
You're all over the place, dude.
alex jones
Sir, I know that.
I agree with you.
I pray to not get angry.
It's not even angry.
I'm sick of it.
I'm sick of looking at them.
jordan holmes
It's not even...
alex jones
It's disgust.
How do I deal with disgust then?
unidentified
Well, you gotta just relax.
You gotta relax.
You think clearer.
Your body's under less stress when you relax.
alex jones
No, I agree with you, but one reason we've been effective is I am upset and get people out of their comfort zone.
There's gotta be a balance.
Because I, you know, I mean...
dan friesen
Alex there at the end is revealing too much.
There's an awareness that he has that he can't relax.
He can't do anything like that because he's not marketable without the anger and the false performance of rage and all this.
That's the only thing that really makes him attractive to anybody.
That's what makes him stand out in a crowd.
That's what made his career, the yelling rants.
Like, he wouldn't be anywhere if he didn't yell at Piers Morgan, and he didn't yell at the guy on the BBC.
Like, he just, like, this is, like, all his career is yell-based, and he knows that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's like a, it's like a, it's so sad.
It's like a comic who's been doing it, it's like a Road Hack comic, been doing it for 20 years, always wears the same shirt, because he opens with a bit about the shirt.
dan friesen
This is ballsy coming from you wearing the same shirt.
jordan holmes
Oh, shit!
But I didn't do a bit about it, Dan!
dan friesen
True, true.
jordan holmes
I have a diverse opinion.
dan friesen
I think that a better version of this, what you're saying, is it's like a comic who can't stop drinking because they think that the drinking is important to their stage persona.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Because it's destructive.
Alex's rage and anger and all this is destructive on some level, and he feels like he has no place.
In the market without it.
And for the comics, they can usually...
I mean, a lot of people can find sobriety and still be just as creative as they were.
But for Alex, he's dead right.
jordan holmes
Not the guy who's wearing the shirt.
They don't have that creativity.
They should probably start drinking.
dan friesen
Yeah, Alex is right, though.
He can't give that up without losing an edge.
jordan holmes
Not at all.
dan friesen
He doesn't have an edge any other way.
jordan holmes
What's he going to rely on?
dan friesen
His theories are so...
Dumb and pointless and based on nothing that they only make it based on performance.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
They only are in any way attractive to anybody.
It's like a bad joke that a good comic can sell.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Totally.
Because it just gets by on cadence alone.
jordan holmes
100%.
dan friesen
You take a step back and think about what the comic just said, and you're like, why did I laugh at that?
jordan holmes
If he's that angry about something, it must be real.
If he's that fired up over it, because there's no way, Dan.
There's no way someone would get that fired up about some bullshit they just made up.
That would be crazy!
dan friesen
And that's where the manipulation comes into it, too, where it's the, I'm actually really just mad at my ex-wife and the Sandy Hook parents who are suing me, but you make it feel like you're really mad about purple penguins or whatever the fuck.
No kidding.
Anyway.
jordan holmes
Hey, leave your problems at the door.
dan friesen
It would be nice.
But Alex can't because he has no reason to exist otherwise.
So he gets another caller here, and man, this is fun.
So you remember a couple episodes back, Alex was talking to a guy named Larry Gators, and he was a guy who I thought did not seem to be saying a whole lot outside of maybe some faulty etymology.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
They sound the same.
They are the same, Dan.
dan friesen
So, he's not on this episode.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
But Alex gets a call from a guy who heard Larry Gators on another podcast.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
And now we get some more bad etymology.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
Secondhand.
jordan holmes
Secondhand etymology?
unidentified
We got a guest on a couple weeks ago named Bishop Gators.
alex jones
Yeah, he's a good guy.
Good guy.
unidentified
Awesome.
Yeah, so I listened to a podcast with him a couple days ago with a doctor, and he was talking about this nanotechnology that Bill Gates wants to inject in everybody.
That's going to be communicating with Wi-Fi towers and everything, and it's called Hydrogel.
And he was breaking down that Hydrogel, translated in Latin, literally translates to Lucifer, and it actually is going to change your DNA and turn you into a Luciferian being.
dan friesen
That's outrageous.
I don't even know where to begin.
unidentified
I love that that scam still works.
jordan holmes
That graph still works.
We're like 200 years past 1819 where it's like, you guys ever been to France?
Fine.
French sounds like this.
It doesn't matter.
dan friesen
Don't do Latin.
jordan holmes
Just do Latin.
dan friesen
No, do Klingon or Sanskrit or something that might be a little bit more difficult for people to just Google.
Wow.
Hydrogel.
Hydrogel.
jordan holmes
If you go to the Latin, literally translates to Lucifer, Dan.
dan friesen
Actually, he's right.
jordan holmes
That's a wild stab.
dan friesen
I looked into it and he was right.
jordan holmes
Not would have guessed that one.
dan friesen
Nope, he has not.
So, we go to the 6th, and Steve Pachanek was on recently, and he was trying to install Melania Trump as a puppet.
jordan holmes
I don't like liberty at all.
I think Melania is hot.
Make her king.
dan friesen
I think she should be our shadow ruler.
Alex might be getting on board with that a little.
alex jones
Melania Trump knows the answer to fighting the satanic new world order.
jordan holmes
Does she?
alex jones
Why?
all things are possible through Christ and we must realize that it's God that's going to lead guide and direct us but all things are possible we put our faith So it is just because Melania said something vaguely religious sounding in a speech.
dan friesen
And also, hey, how is this not theocratic sounding?
jordan holmes
Do you have anyone else?
Do you have no one else?
Has she done anything?
Has she done a thing?
Has she done a job?
dan friesen
She said not to bully people.
jordan holmes
That's good enough for me.
dan friesen
I think she's appeared some places.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
She's been in magazines!
dan friesen
Alex says she hasn't.
jordan holmes
Okay!
Fine!
dan friesen
Because the globalist media is overlooking her.
jordan holmes
She hasn't even...
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Alright, it's fine.
I'm sorry.
I'm just mad whenever it's this fantastical.
Let's just make up a reason.
dan friesen
To be honest, I can explain some of this reasoning.
And it's because she comes from a communist country.
And that's the reason that Steve Pachanek has built up this idea that she knows...
What to do in these circumstances and stuff is because we're facing a communist uprising and she knows communism from the inside.
There's some elements of that.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
Just wow.
Just wow.
jordan holmes
A lot of people.
I would even argue millions of people have come from a communist country.
It's true.
So any one of them are also qualified to be president.
dan friesen
Apparently.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
Well, then I'm in.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, Alex, we're pretty used to, at this point, him saying that the news is so big that he can't get to it.
We read this over and over again.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
At the beginning of August 6th's episode, though, this evolves.
alex jones
The news is so incredible, so important, so over the top, that I must cover all of it today.
I must get to every single scrap of this info, but it's overwhelming.
dan friesen
He's overwhelmed, but the news is so big that now he has to get to it.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
He's fucking with us.
This is us specifically.
I refuse to believe that this is on his own.
dan friesen
It's an interesting evolution.
It's almost like watching a chimpanzee use a tool.
jordan holmes
This is how they get ants!
That's how they get ants now!
Look at that!
He gets the stick, he puts it in the log, they get ants!
That's great!
dan friesen
Well, I mean, it's like, oh, this makes sense now.
Because it's a nonsensical thing to say there's so much news, I can get to none of it.
That makes no sense if your job is to cover news.
jordan holmes
It's a paradox.
dan friesen
But what does make sense is to say, I'm overwhelmed, but because there's so much to do, I have to get to all of it.
That is a coherent statement.
Congratulations, Alex!
My bar is so low.
unidentified
So low.
dan friesen
I'm thrilled that he said something that makes sense.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Awesome.
So, on the 6th, everybody was reeling from the news of the night before.
On the evening of the 5th, Letitia James, the New York Attorney General, came out and said that she had an announcement.
She was going to hold a press conference on the 6th at 10.30 Central Time.
Sure.
That was a major national thing.
As it turned out, it was...
That they are filing a suit against the NRA, Wayne LaPierre, and some of the other leadership for self-dealing.
And we'll see how that case goes.
I'm not entirely sure all the details of it as of yet, but there's allegations of mismanaging money that was supposedly charitable.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean, everybody knows that.
There was some cheating going on.
Let's see if she can prove it.
Nobody's like...
They're innocent of the charges.
They're just like, I don't know if she's going to be able to get them in court, but everybody knows they've been fucking up.
dan friesen
Probably.
jordan holmes
Somehow or another.
dan friesen
And so Alex obviously has to respond to this because it broke just before he went on air.
And I don't think his defense is good.
alex jones
We have Letitia James, the woman under Cuomo, that ordered and threatened to arrest nursing home owners, operators, and managers if they did not take COVID-19 positive patients who had other things like pneumonia and flu.
This monstrous woman sent more than 10,000 people to their deaths.
jordan holmes
Woof.
alex jones
She is now suing the NRA and vowed to, quote, shut it down.
Because they're going to claim that Wayne LaPierre had dinner events paid for by the NRA at his house or that flew on private jets paid for by the NRA.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's bad.
Yeah, that's bad.
alex jones
When the Democrats and this whole criminal group and Media Matters and the rest of them get billions from Soros.
dan friesen
So his defense right at the gate seems to just be like, well, look at them.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Well, it doesn't have anything to do with what the NRA did or didn't do.
Now, Alex is super lucky because Letitia James is not an unknown person on his show.
She's the New York Attorney General who sent a cease and desist letter to him and Jim Baker about their weird silver products.
So he's been yelling about her about that for a couple months now, accusing her of murder.
jordan holmes
Yeah, she's only murdered tens of thousands of people, Dan.
dan friesen
He's almost begging her to sue him.
There is a sense that I get that he's almost disappointed that it's the NRA and not him.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Well, his defense of the NRA is other people commit crimes, so I guess, yeah.
dan friesen
And he's also, from whatever...
jordan holmes
Might even be like, hey, I've committed some crimes, give me attention!
dan friesen
From what I understand, too, I think he's misrepresenting a little bit of the chief complaints about the mismanagement of money.
He'll get back to this in a little bit and how little he cares, but there's other big news that he needs to get to, and that is that Trump's campaign...
Their Twitter account was down for a short period of time because they tweeted some bullshit.
jordan holmes
Right.
alex jones
Unreal.
Twitter suspends Trump campaign account.
We're saying children almost immune from COVID-19, but they're right.
More kids die from drowning and car accidents.
Well, it turns out no children have died from COVID-19.
They died from car accidents.
They died from cancer.
They died from other things.
And then they just test them and have a false positive and say they did.
dan friesen
So, according to a July 30th report released by the American Academy of Pediatrics, using state-level data, 338,982 children had tested positive for COVID-19 in the United States, approximately 8.8% of total cases.
2,669 of them required hospitalization, and at that point, 86 children had been killed due to the virus.
But these numbers don't mean anything to Alex.
He can just say they were secretly all in car accidents.
It is a lower rate of death than the general population, but to hand wave away these numbers with arguments that are as flimsy as like, come on, man.
That's to say that you're totally fine with these children dying, being hospitalized, and being infected with a virus that they could transmit to other people who may be in higher risk categories.
Now, Alex says that no children died, and the only evidence that he provides of this is Massachusetts data.
jordan holmes
See?
dan friesen
No children have died in Massachusetts.
jordan holmes
Well, that's everybody.
dan friesen
So there's a zero there, and he keeps pointing to Massachusetts, and it's like, okay, what about Arizona?
jordan holmes
What about Arizona?
That's not a place.
dan friesen
It's not zero.
jordan holmes
They don't keep numbers.
dan friesen
Yes, they do.
jordan holmes
No, they don't.
dan friesen
Go check out that American Academy of Pediatrics report.
jordan holmes
No, what are you going to trust them?
Bunch of globalists.
Sure.
Except for the ones in Massachusetts specifically.
dan friesen
Oh, yeah.
The American Academy of Pediatrics, their numbers also have zero for Massachusetts.
jordan holmes
See, there you go.
So you can trust them.
dan friesen
Well, they also have 12 for Arizona.
jordan holmes
But only the ones in Massachusetts.
dan friesen
Ah, I see.
This is some bullshit.
This is nuts.
And so, I mean, Trump's, the campaign tweeted a video of him on Fox News.
Saying that kids are basically immune.
And so they locked the account until they deleted that tweet.
Yeah.
I mean, I don't know.
I don't see this as being some kind of a horrible abuse of Twitter's authorities or powers.
Anyway, Alex has...
I don't know how to set this up.
I know that you're averse to Alex saying, I've got a big juicy here when you talk about a news item.
jordan holmes
I don't appreciate it.
dan friesen
I've got quite a juicy.
jordan holmes
Ah, that's so gross.
dan friesen
He has a new thing here.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And I think it's...
jordan holmes
Am I going to like it more?
dan friesen
No.
alex jones
Let me give you another little caviar caveat.
unidentified
This is up on InfoWars.com.
alex jones
The National Health Service of England to decrease COVID-19 death toll after counting mishap.
They claim it's a mistake.
They're going to cut it massively from the 49,000 that they had said to an incredibly low number, and most of that is fraud.
That is all coming up.
dan friesen
I think caviar caveat is the only way I think that.
That's technically not caviar.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
That's the way I hear that.
A caviar caveat would be someone being like, this isn't...
jordan holmes
This isn't caviar.
dan friesen
It's someone saying this isn't as good or as luxurious.
jordan holmes
Whoa, whoa, this is caviar, but one caveat.
It's from Derek over there.
It's not good.
It's not good.
dan friesen
It's dirt.
So yeah, I would say that a caviar caveat would almost be like, hey, this sounds good, but it's not.
So in that sense, Alex is correct.
jordan holmes
All too apt.
dan friesen
This is a caviar caviar.
unidentified
This asshole apt American.
dan friesen
So in England and Wales, there was a little bit of an oversight in their statistics keeping where people who tested positive for COVID-19 then theoretically recovered and then died could have been counted as COVID-19 mortality numbers.
no one's entirely sure how many of these erroneous deaths there could be in the pile but the estimates that i saw being thrown around appear to be around 1 000 to 4 000 which represents between 3 to 10 of the death toll.
This is an important issue to iron out because the more precise and specific data is, the more useful it is for helping people make informed decisions.
And the way I saw this being discussed is like this was a fine counting method that they had initially.
Yeah.
unidentified
But now that more time has passed.
dan friesen
We are at a point where there's just an oversight and this method of keeping statistics, it turns out that there's a big gap in it.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Anyway, this was an issue specifically with data that was compiled by Public Health England, which reflected a death toll of 41,749.
jordan holmes
How many in Massachusetts?
dan friesen
Zero.
From an article about this in the Daily Mail, quote, The Office of National Statistics, which is not affected by the counting method, has confirmed at least 51,596 people have died in England and Wales up to July 24th.
The Office of National Statistics is the far more reputable source for these statistics, and they're reflecting a higher number.
And do not use the same faulty counting method as Public Health England.
So I'm not sure this is as much of a big...
I would say that this is a caviar caveat for Alex.
Also, there's no reason to extrapolate this outside of the statistics released by Public Health England.
This has no bearing on anything outside of that.
It doesn't implicate...
U.S. numbers.
It doesn't implicate anything else.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's an unfair, bad-faith bullshit argument.
dan friesen
Yes, absolutely.
jordan holmes
Fuck off.
dan friesen
So, Alex gets to some more complaints about Letitia James, the New York Attorney General.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And I think he veers into some racism.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
alex jones
But I'll tell you what is going on.
Study.
Coronavirus restrictions killing 10,000 children per month and wasting and...
Dunting millions more.
That's conservative numbers starving to death because of it.
But that's okay.
Because Letitia James is black.
So she can do whatever she wants.
But that's why Soros, the Nazi collaborator, hired her.
That's why Nike and that's why Apple gives money to Black Lives Matter.
To say that they represent black people.
So, hey, Letitia James is allowed to get rid of your Second Amendment.
She's black.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
Did we...
Has it always been this way?
That the blah is like the hard J Jew?
unidentified
Like the way he says black is not black.
jordan holmes
He says, oh, she's black!
Like the blah is...
It's a hard blah.
dan friesen
You know what I'm saying?
With Alex...
Maybe.
jordan holmes
You know, there's a thing there.
There's a subtext that really means if this were the 60s, I'd be tossing the N-word.
dan friesen
Or if you're Roger Stone off mic.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
Or if it's later on today.
dan friesen
Yeah, it definitely feels that way.
And what he's talking about is the numbers of people who are entering starvation.
Not necessarily dying from starvation, but are experiencing starvation.
Yes, that is true in the developing world.
That is true.
You know where you're getting that information?
The UN!
You know what they're putting that information out for?
To encourage people to donate more.
To help people in these circumstances.
jordan holmes
Nah, they're just trying to show you that it's hopeless.
dan friesen
Like, Alex's solution to this is everyone go back to work or whatever.
jordan holmes
Yeah, see?
dan friesen
Is that going to necessarily help these people who are experiencing starvation right now?
jordan holmes
It wasn't a problem before.
dan friesen
Not for Alex.
If Alex cares about this at all, this is an acute problem that isn't going to be solved by everyone go back to work and things will work out.
He needs to be, if he's taking this seriously, trying to solicit donations to developing world food programs.
He should be uplifting resources that people can explore.
He should be giving his own Dumb toothpaste money to people who are...
Like, he doesn't care.
It's just a prop.
jordan holmes
He and the right wing are obsessed with whining about problems that they are actively trying to subvert the solutions to.
Like, that's what they want to do.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Oh, maybe I'll just go do this.
Oh, you're thinking about that?
What about this?
Well, okay.
How do you solve this?
If you want a what about me, then go about this.
Let's deal with your this.
dan friesen
Alright?
jordan holmes
How do we solve that?
dan friesen
His favorite politician of all time wanted to get rid of all foreign aid.
So I don't buy any of this shit.
Anyway, Trump released an ad about Joe Biden and there's a bunch of editing involved.
jordan holmes
No, they never take him out of context.
dan friesen
Not even that.
There was a part, there's a picture of him that's used where...
Microphone is edited out of his hand to make it look like he's just sort of lost and touching his face.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
Can you do that?
Yeah.
There's also a shot in it where they're saying that he's alone.
And it's him sitting on the ground in a basement next to a chair.
And the other people in the room are edited out of the picture.
It's direct.
jordan holmes
That is cartoonish evil.
dan friesen
That is really funny.
It's also like...
Yeah, I mean, most people are just, like, lying.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, it's like...
dan friesen
It's politics.
He's trying to get elected.
jordan holmes
He's lying.
At that point, just, like, CGI in some hair and be like, see, he's lying to us about...
He's wearing a bald cap all the time.
dan friesen
I'm against this, but if we spent all this time pointing out every time there are people trying to get elected to things that are lying...
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
I think we'd never get anything done.
jordan holmes
Ah.
That's probably a bad sign for America.
dan friesen
Probably.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But it turns out Alex decides, like, eh, I'm just going to lie about this lying ad.
unidentified
Sure.
alex jones
Trump runs an ad showing Joe Biden, and we saw his own photos he put out, where they had everybody social distancing, and there's, like, only five people in the room.
That's what they put out.
And Trump showed that, and they went, oh, that's misleading.
He's had bigger rallies than that.
Joe Biden's been hiding for six months.
Joe Biden won't do TV interviews.
With anybody.
Basically.
dan friesen
Basically.
Yeah.
Except for the recent interviews that he's done.
jordan holmes
Basically is carrying a lot of water in that one.
dan friesen
The fucking interview that you complained where he announced a coup against Trump.
jordan holmes
He hasn't done any interviews!
dan friesen
Okay.
Basically.
jordan holmes
Basically.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Alex is trying to pretend that the thing that people are pointing out that's edited, which is the picture of Biden in the basement.
I don't even know if it's a basement.
It might be a living room.
Whatever it is.
He's trying to conflate that with the social distanced rally where there weren't that many people there by design.
And so he's just lying about a lie, which is amazing.
Anyway, Alex gets back to being racist about black women in elected positions in general.
alex jones
Black Lives Matter is the least black thing in America.
It comes out of George Soros' think tanks.
Who's not even an American.
He's a dude that rounded up his fellow Jews and sent them off to death camps and said it was the happiest time in his life and that it was exhilarating.
He called it happy-making time.
Do I need to play the clips?
jordan holmes
Probably.
alex jones
If you said that on Fox News, they didn't care who you were, judicial watch, you name it, you get banned.
Newt Gendridge came out on Fox News and said it.
He said Soros is behind Letitia James, behind all these DAs, all these crazy people.
Lightfoot, all of it.
jordan holmes
Gordon?
alex jones
And again, why is it all black women that Soros is running?
Because then you can't attack them.
dan friesen
I feel like...
jordan holmes
Wow!
You can't attack them, Dan.
You just can't.
You can't do the thing that I've spent the last hour and a half of my show doing.
Can't do it.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, that's one thing.
And then the other thing is that, like...
This is based on a faulty premise.
Like, there's a lot of people who have pretty harsh criticism about Lori Lightfoot.
We live in Chicago.
We know you.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
I might be up there.
I might be up there.
dan friesen
Yeah, it doesn't.
jordan holmes
Cops don't even fucking wear masks here.
dan friesen
Alex has this perception that invalidates any black person in a leadership position because it's like, oh, Soros installed them there so you couldn't attack them without appearing racist.
Meanwhile, I think there's a lot of people who are pretty solid living evidence that you can have complaints and criticisms about...
Elected leaders, regardless of their race.
jordan holmes
Can't criticize them, Dan.
dan friesen
I think that just that is racist of Alex.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And also silly.
This is a silly show.
This is very stupid.
This is a child.
This is a racist fucking child who's trying to get into a televangelist grift.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's nonsense.
jordan holmes
Incredibly violent televangelist grift.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Now, I'm going to play this next clip because I want to say that I think Alex and I might be able to find common ground on something.
I would never work with him on anything, but I think we could find a point of agreement here.
Maybe.
Look, I've got to explain after the clip is over.
jordan holmes
Let this happen.
alex jones
I read this.
I was trying to go to bed early last night.
I read this at about 10 o 'clock in bed, and I got really angry and had trouble sleeping.
dan friesen
I should just stop there and be like, he and I can find common ground.
jordan holmes
You guys have trouble sleeping.
That's great.
alex jones
About an hour.
Because I knew when I saw the headline what it was going to say, and I read it.
CNN and others.
Because I thought, oh God, this is a new PR rollout.
So as soon as I read the article, I searched into the terms.
And I saw hundreds of articles this week that I hadn't even come across where they are now saying that we will wear masks permanently outside and in our homes.
And robot computers, the home assistants and all that will be mandatory, and they're going to watch you and make you wear a mask and breathe carbon dioxide.
I mean, think of a cult movie made in the 90s or something, where in the future you wear a mask to go outside because you're scared of viruses that doesn't even really exist, and it's all total mental illness.
And yeah, they've announced robots are watching you to make you wear the mask.
I mean, this is all over the news now.
dan friesen
So anyway, that's a load of nonsense.
And again, it's the exact same thing that we talked about on a recent episode when he was talking about the tattoos.
The rollout and they're announcing it in CNN and other places.
It's all completely untrackable.
It's unverifiable.
jordan holmes
They're rolling it out.
dan friesen
It's being rolled out.
That's all very frustrating because it's stupid and meaningless.
But I want to give this olive branch to Alex.
I'll make a stand on this.
I would say that if anybody Regardless of political party, wanted to make putting an Amazon Alexa in your home or some sort of a robot of that sort mandatory, that would be a red line for me.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
There's a book that has that kind of thing in it.
People reference it a lot for dystopia.
dan friesen
If any party were to try and make anything mandatory, like having a cell phone, I understand that people can be tracked to cell phones.
You know, there's a lot of...
Privacy issues that I think are pretty messed up, but you don't have to have a cell phone.
It makes things more convenient, perhaps, but you get to make a choice.
The same thing is true about these household assistants.
Yeah, there are some concerns that they're listening to things you say and advertisements are populated because of it.
You make a choice whether or not you want to have one in your house for the convenience that they offer.
If it pivoted to, by law, you have to have one of these in your house, I would say that that is a line.
I would not want that line to be crossed.
jordan holmes
You know what?
I will say there's only one thing that I would allow the government.
I think that sweatpants should be outlawed.
I just think they should be out loud.
I've seen too many people out in the streets.
Look, I like to wear sweatpants inside too.
dan friesen
You mean public sweatpants?
jordan holmes
No, I mean all sweatpants because we can't be trusted with them.
People are always going to wear them outside.
Look, I like wearing sweatpants inside, but I've seen too many people.
The temptation is too strong.
All sweatpants must be gone.
dan friesen
I feel like you and I have finally found our bone of contention.
I believe in liberty to the point where I believe that humans should have the right to choose whether or not.
They can be trusted to wear sweatpants.
I agree with you that people shouldn't be wearing sweatpants in public.
But I think that you can control yourself.
Responsible sweatpants ownership.
jordan holmes
Alright.
20% of people don't even think COVID is real.
They want to wear sweatpants outside.
dan friesen
Can we agree on registration of sweatpants?
Yes.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
But you know, if you register your sweatpants, that's just going to lead to confiscation.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
That's true.
There's just no way to escape it, is there?
dan friesen
Anyway, I was really just almost as an intellectual exercise trying to be like, I should be super charitable to Alex and be like, alright, in the potential world where Amazon Alexas or, you know, like some sort of household robot became mandatory.
I'll go ahead and say I'm super against that.
jordan holmes
I'm going to go with no.
I'm going to go with a big no on that one.
dan friesen
I'm with you.
jordan holmes
Are you saying that this incredible infinite power might be abused?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Well then, no.
dan friesen
That's the extent you have to go to in order to find agreement with Alex these days, which is tough.
So, I believe that Alex is begging...
For coverage here.
And one of the reasons that I believe that to be the case is that he's just basically repeating things that Jesse Lee Peterson said on the show when he was a guest about the leaders of Black Lives Matter.
He's calling them fat lesbians, which is exactly what Jesse said.
He's just mirroring the previous day's guest.
And they're just like, please write negative articles about me saying this.
jordan holmes
Please!
alex jones
If Hitler would have hired an Oprah Winfrey, he'd have won.
If Hitler would have hired a bunch of black women to be his fronts, just like Black Lives Matter, three angry, fat lesbians, and the same thing with her, big, fat, unhappy lesbian.
Another thing is women that like, I'm just saying, they're all big, fat, ugly lesbians that hate themselves and hate men and hate everybody and want to abort all the black babies, and they're murdering criminals.
Period.
I'll show it all to you next hour.
Write about that, Media Matters, you scum.
Right-wing watch, all you lying filth.
dan friesen
Please?
jordan holmes
Yeah, no kidding.
dan friesen
You just hear the please begging for it.
jordan holmes
Oh my god, write about it!
Write about it, please!
dan friesen
And one of the indications to me that it's just desperate begging for attention is that he can't even commit to being as homophobic as Jesse.
Like, Jesse Lee Peterson hates gay people.
When he says stuff like, you know, hey...
Black Lives Matter is run by big fat black lesbians.
He will follow that up with being like, and they're going to hell for being here.
Alex can't commit to that because he's supposed to be like this social libertarian type or whatever.
Whatever you do in your bedroom.
Because on a very deep level, Alex knows that those positions are not defensible for himself and the platform that he has.
And so you hear that.
There's nothing wrong with the...
Just please write about me, please.
I'll say offensive things.
This is the problem with the state of Alex that we're in now.
And the reason why, while I do think it is very newsworthy, the trend that Alex is taking towards familiarizing his audience with the language of...
jordan holmes
Boogaloo murder.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Insurgent terrorism.
dan friesen
Insurgent terrorism, perhaps, yeah.
The point that I'm more trying to get at is the self...
Death.
The sacrifice of self in your life for the cause.
jordan holmes
The kamikaze.
dan friesen
Yeah, the kamikaze stuff and also just violence.
I do think that that's a worthwhile thing and it's newsworthy that people should bring it up, but it also has the effect of reinforcing, as does so many of these things, the negative attention that Alex gets.
He recognizes when he says awful things.
That's when people cover him.
And these platforms that have reach outside of the niche market that he has access to.
So it incentivizes him to do stuff like this.
Like yell about Black Lives Matter leaders and all these black people who are in positions of power are just there because Soros realizes that they can't be attacked because they're black.
Alright.
I mean, you're just desperately trying to get someone to call you a racist.
Yeah.
unidentified
And...
jordan holmes
We are here for that.
dan friesen
We have done it!
jordan holmes
Well, and there's always...
It always leads to escalation.
There's no way...
You know, you say the same shit for long enough.
Right-wing watch is like, eh, you're boring.
So you gotta...
What's the next, you know, big thing that I can go?
It has to be an escalation.
dan friesen
Or something so far out of left field like I'm going to eat my neighbors.
That's good clean fun.
No one's going to resist that kind of bait.
That's good clean fun.
I worry about that because in the same way that Alex's rage is self-destructive this is self-destructive too and partially because of what you're describing.
It's kind of like structuring a comedy show.
You don't want to put your headliner first.
jordan holmes
No, of course not.
dan friesen
Or a wrestling show.
You don't want in the first match someone to go through a flaming table.
Because then what is going to happen in the third match?
You train the audience to think, okay, there's a payoff coming.
And if in the opening acts you're saying murder...
Or, like, whatever is the only thing that's getting you attention now is talk of murder and kamikaze death.
Well, good luck with the headlining act.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's like Alex has been edging his audience for 25 years and it's going to wind up with him flaming out in auto-erotic asphyxiation.
Like, that's the only way this goes.
dan friesen
Jordan, this is a family show.
jordan holmes
Oh, fair enough.
Sorry.
dan friesen
So, back to the NRA story here.
Alex just makes it very clear that he does not care what they were doing because he supports what the end goal was.
alex jones
I don't care if Wayne LaPierre was paid $5 million a year.
He wasn't.
I don't care if they were flying around the country to events on private jets.
They better be.
If you've got 10 people flying, it's about the same price to get a little private jet than it is to fly a commercial.
I don't care.
jordan holmes
Is it?
alex jones
I care about their policy.
I give them money.
I get results.
If Wayne Lapierre could save the Second Amendment in America, I'd give him my right arm.
dan friesen
I think that this is just an ends justify the means kind of argument.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it doesn't get much more like that.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Which is crazy.
Which is crazy to me.
dan friesen
Why?
jordan holmes
Because wouldn't you be furious?
dan friesen
That these people are giving gun advocacy a bad name?
jordan holmes
I would be...
Furious.
Not least of which, because if I'm donating money to them to find out that it's not going towards saving the Second Amendment, instead going towards him having a lavish bullshit lifestyle, I'm mad at him.
You should be.
I'm not his enemy.
I like the guy.
But you fucked up.
Get the fuck out of here.
You know, like that kind of thing.
dan friesen
Yeah, but you can't.
jordan holmes
No, you can't.
Because then everybody would...
Oh, man, that's sad.
They're just held captive by grifters.
dan friesen
And they like it.
Yep.
Because it's really profitable.
jordan holmes
I know, but that's such a bummer.
dan friesen
Yep.
unidentified
Ugh.
dan friesen
So I think Alex is also taking this a little bit personally.
Because so much of his identity is wrapped up in gun stuff.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And then also, he kind of looks like a dick because he was against the NRA for a really long time.
It was like, no, gun owners for America and Jews for the preservation of gun ownership.
Like, these are real outlets.
And then at some point, he started to change.
And he's like, NRA's good now because Ted Nugent's on the board and Ted talks to me.
jordan holmes
I thought it was for Oliver North.
Was it that one?
dan friesen
No, no.
It was before that.
But yeah, he had to change.
His position into being pro-NRA when he could have just stayed anti-NRA and been like, no, I like the harder stuff.
He went mainstream.
He sold out because he's friends with Ted Nugent.
And now he's having to be like...
jordan holmes
Late career Alex is just like, whatever it was that I said 10 years ago, the opposite is true now and I have no reason for it.
dan friesen
He's kind of like a guy who had a stock.
That was doing shit for a long time.
And then...
He sold it, and then it went through the roof.
Because what he was doing before would have a giant marketplace right now.
jordan holmes
Dominated right now.
dan friesen
In the same way that you see these people who are desperate for the Lincoln Project.
This fantasy of these right-wing...
jordan holmes
Yeah, those dumb motherfuckers.
Everybody in the Lincoln Project is going to vote for Trump, you idiots!
dan friesen
These people who are just...
You need this voice that's on the right, but also...
Hey, this is too much.
jordan holmes
No, it's...
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, Alex would be able to clean up if he would have just, like, kept with the...
Yeah, NRA's bunch of fucking assholes.
Fuck them.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
No, no politician should ever be trusted.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
All this left and right is a lie.
Like, he'd be cleaning up in the disaffected community.
unidentified
But it's the same thing that if you're easy...
jordan holmes
You're at the place now where you're like, I have nothing to base this on.
Other than she's the wife of Trump.
But I think Melania Trump should be queen.
Done.
You know, like, if you're there, of course you're going to get fooled by Trump himself.
You don't have a...
He's defenseless to this type of bullshit.
dan friesen
Well, but he's weak.
To be fair, you're kind of getting the timeline a little out of order.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
Who knows if he would be, like, brought to this if he hadn't already normalized all of Trump's bullshit throughout the last years.
jordan holmes
I see what you're saying.
I'm just saying that it's part of the same magical thinking.
The Melania stuff is just an escalation of the exact same thought process.
dan friesen
But the escalation is possibly only necessitated by embarking on this kind of business to begin with.
This enterprise that he's in requires that escalation.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you're true.
dan friesen
And if you never escalate, you just keep it in like, Ron Paul could have saved us.
jordan holmes
Like, great!
dan friesen
Great.
jordan holmes
What an idiot.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Anyway, like I said, he's taking this a bit personally, and I think that he has an interesting conspiracy about this that is not good.
alex jones
The NRA needs $10 billion.
If with 50, 60 million, they almost defeated the globalists, give them 50 billion.
We're going to lose everything if we don't start word of mouth and supporting people with money.
Because I'm in a total war with the exact same people.
So give it to me.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
alex jones
I am not rolling over like the NRA.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
alex jones
So the NRA, when they got attacked with this, went to lawyers and said, is it okay we put on parties for corporate people to come?
Well, yeah.
When we flew around on private jets?
Yeah.
But they're going to say it's bad.
Just get rid of your media operations.
They'll leave you alone.
And you notice when they did that, it brought that little bloodthirsty anti-Second Amendment, anti-First Amendment sorrows.
Monster Nazi collaborator minion.
That's what she is.
He's a minion of a Nazi collaborator.
At their throat like a vicious, foaming-at-the-mouth piranha.
Now here's the number to join us, first-time callers, on this subject.
dan friesen
Gotta take the calls.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
So the narrative that Alex is saying is that they got rid of NRA TV because they were trying to placate Letitia James.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
And I don't know about this.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Can we hold big dinners for people?
Yeah, of course.
Can we ride around on private chains?
Yeah, of course.
How about the embezzlement?
Is that okay?
dan friesen
Nope.
jordan holmes
Oh, how about transferring money from the charity to my personal account without letting anybody know?
dan friesen
I think what you should do is you should get rid of Dana Loesch's show and Dan Bongino's show to placate the globalists because that's all they really want.
jordan holmes
Yeah, Letitia just wants them off air.
dan friesen
Exactly, but then they did it and they showed ass.
jordan holmes
Oh no.
dan friesen
And then now, right for the jugular.
No more shanking.
jordan holmes
No more shanks into the NRA.
dan friesen
Nope.
So, I think Alex really just wants to get sued.
This is just stupid.
alex jones
She said, oh, they're laundering money through the NRA TV because that's money from the NRA, and now this is a TV network they're launching.
Yeah, that's what nonprofits need, TV networks.
Conservatives need TV networks.
Pro-gun Christians, we need our own networks.
We don't need CNN and Google where we're all banned.
And that was their big sin.
The same sin I committed when I launched us on TV satellites.
Already on radio.
And we were launching more shows and building up and getting picked up on stations.
They filed over 50 DNC-funded lawsuits and investigations against us, including Letitia James.
And my lawyers are like, don't talk about that.
Well, I mean, what am I going to talk about?
jordan holmes
I don't care what they do to me.
alex jones
They're the criminals.
They're bad.
I don't care.
She's a murderer.
Leticia James sent people to the nursing homes to get high death rates.
She's Joseph frickin'Mingla in the flesh.
These people are the enemy of this country, and they're never going to stop till we stop.
unidentified
*Mountdown*
dan friesen
Cut off by the break there.
I just feel like that's...
The way I interpret that is I hear Alex saying, my lawyers told me not to talk about...
Yeah.
And that's his lawyers being like, don't directly accuse a lawyer of murder.
jordan holmes
I am going to put a $1 million bounty on...
Wait, no, I shouldn't do that?
dan friesen
Don't say that the New York Attorney General is Joseph Mengele and the enemy of the people and directly make accusations of murder because that could be actionable.
That's what I hear anyway, because all this stuff about the 50 Soros DNC-backed lawsuits is a bunch of...
Bullshit.
I feel like someone gave him some advice that was like, cool out on this, because this is where there's a line.
You could actually get in trouble for this.
unidentified
Come on!
jordan holmes
What does she know about the law?
dan friesen
Like, hey, you know what?
Zoros is probably too busy, doesn't want to get in the mud with you.
Letitia James has given you a cease and desist letter about your toothpaste.
There might be some kind of an action that could be taken against you.
She seems like she has indicated a willingness to tangle.
And I think Alex wants to.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that sounds about right.
dan friesen
Because I think he thinks it would be a good publicity stunt.
jordan holmes
He already assumes he's going to lose everything anyways.
dan friesen
He doesn't want to just go bullhorn the mayor.
Take this shit national.
jordan holmes
Totally.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Anyway, Alex has some advice for the NRA.
alex jones
The NRA needs to come out and run ads about Letitia James sending people to die in the nursing homes.
If they roll over, it's over for them.
They need to go after her for her murder!
Her premeditated murder!
dan friesen
They're not gonna do that.
jordan holmes
I think they should do that.
dan friesen
I don't think they're gonna do that.
jordan holmes
They probably won't.
dan friesen
But Alex is just giving standard right-wing advice.
It's like, okay, there is a conversation and a lawsuit about X. So, make the conversation about Y. Don't fucking address the thing that is the conversation.
unidentified
No!
jordan holmes
Why?
dan friesen
Change the conversation to about how this is a murder.
jordan holmes
Exactly!
dan friesen
Murder!
jordan holmes
This is a murder investigation, Dan!
She has murdered basic human decency by daring to attack the NRA.
dan friesen
Literally everyone was murdered by her.
jordan holmes
Oh man, she murdered everyone.
dan friesen
So Alex, at the end of this episode, for the third hour, has a guest on.
And then Matt Bracken of Enemies Foreign and Domestic takes over the fourth.
But he has a guest on for the third hour.
And this fucking blew me away.
alex jones
Del Ronda's old buddy of mine I haven't seen in years is going to be here in studio and he's also a pastor and things like that.
He wants to talk about how great InfoWars is.
Look.
dan friesen
What?
jordan holmes
I got my old buddy!
dan friesen
What is this show?
jordan holmes
I got my fishing buddy!
unidentified
I got my old buddy I haven't seen him in a while.
dan friesen
He's a pastor.
He wants to talk about God and how great InfoWars is.
jordan holmes
We're going to talk about lures.
We're going to talk about good spots to fish.
dan friesen
I don't want to put this too bluntly, but...
This is the big leagues, man.
I don't give a fuck about you catching up with an old buddy.
This isn't like Marin sitting in the garage shooting the shit with some comics.
jordan holmes
Hey, what are you up to, old buddy?
Haven't seen you in a while.
Just thought I'd put you on TV.
dan friesen
Alex.
I gotta say, this is embarrassing.
jordan holmes
This is not the big leagues anymore, Dan.
dan friesen
This is not the big leagues.
jordan holmes
He's been relegated.
dan friesen
I mean, I got...
Big time guest here.
Old friend.
jordan holmes
Old buddy.
dan friesen
That's his credit?
jordan holmes
Yeah!
He's also a pastor, Dan.
Credit number two.
dan friesen
So Alex gets some calls before getting to this friend of his named Daryl.
Sure.
Daryl the pastor.
This caller seems to not understand what the issue is with the NRA situation, which makes sense.
Makes sense that Alex's callers wouldn't get it.
unidentified
They're a privately owned business, too.
How can they go out?
alex jones
Because they did it as a tax-exempt thing because it promotes an American right.
And the left then acts like, oh, you've got political views and you're tax-exempt?
Yeah, Second Amendment.
dan friesen
That's not the problem.
But this caller is expressing the very unthought-out position that they're a privately...
jordan holmes
No, they're a privately owned company, right?
No, they don't have to pay taxes because they're too private, Dan.
dan friesen
You might not understand the problem.
I think Alex has done a very bad job of, first of all, educating his audience about the issues, and then second, about making them recognize when they don't understand something and maybe should look into it.
Why is the New York Attorney General...
jordan holmes
That's a question that I didn't need to ask, Dan, because the answer is Soros.
dan friesen
Right, right.
The answer of everything that attacks someone who believes the same stuff as us is false.
Everything is false.
Because that answer is so deeply embedded, it just doesn't matter.
Anybody has every carte blanche to ignore everything.
jordan holmes
Has anybody on the right ever done anything wrong?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Has anybody on the left ever done anything right?
Nope.
Does this mean that whatever it is that the right does to the left, it is justified in order to stop them from doing the thing that doesn't work?
dan friesen
Yeah, according to Alex.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there we go.
dan friesen
So Alex plays a clip of his son Rex, I guess from his show.
jordan holmes
I love titties.
dan friesen
No, that was Gavin talking to Rex.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay, sorry.
dan friesen
No, it turns out, I didn't know this.
Rex is not a fan of Donald Trump.
unidentified
He got to go out and vote on November 4th.
And post-midterms, post-2018, I didn't think I was going to be able to do it.
dan friesen
Right, right quick.
From everything I understand, I don't know when his birthday is.
Alex keeps saying he's 17. Sure.
I don't know if his birthday is before November.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
There's a decent chance he can't vote.
dan friesen
I don't know.
Anyway.
unidentified
I despise Trump almost as much as leftists do.
This is my coming out story to you about my opinions of Trump.
In 2016, I worshipped the guy.
I thought he was going to just come in and win for us and do all the things he promised.
And he betrayed us on about 95% of the things that he said.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no shit.
unidentified
He left me heartbroken.
He let all his biggest supporters, all his biggest fans, everyone who got him elected in 2016, that populist movement that put him in office, he let those people just get smacked aside so he could be friends with the big wigs.
And instead of draining the swamp, he built his own personal theme park.
jordan holmes
Stop getting it right.
You're boring me.
unidentified
No!
number 4th voting for Donald J. Trump because it is the only option.
dan friesen
Wow.
What a sad lesser of two evils argument.
That's not good.
Also, you were 13 in 2016.
I'm not sure if you had developed political positions back then.
jordan holmes
I'm going to toss this out here.
dan friesen
I'm guessing back then you adored Trump in the same way that you're just kind of repeating Alex-y stuff now.
Maybe that's what's going on.
I don't really respect this as a unique position.
jordan holmes
I'm going to toss this out here.
dan friesen
Please.
jordan holmes
Do you know who he sounds like?
dan friesen
Who's that?
jordan holmes
Owen Troyer.
He does not sound like Alex Jones.
He's got the same vocal patterns as Owen Troyer.
dan friesen
If I were his age, I'd probably be more likely to watch War Room.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
I would see myself more in Owen.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
Owen's more athletic.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Probably better to play pickup basketball with.
jordan holmes
Owen is Rex's real dad.
I'm going to say that right now.
dan friesen
Ages don't match up.
jordan holmes
100% true.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
Letitia's going to sue me for this, but...
dan friesen
I think Attorney General James is going to stay out of it.
jordan holmes
Okay, fair enough.
dan friesen
Yeah, I think that this is silly.
First of all, because who cares?
And then second, because...
Hey, guy.
Your argument that you're trying to sell people on is this guy is a complete fraud and a betrayer.
jordan holmes
Gotta give him four more years!
Maybe he'll turn it around!
We gotta turn it around.
He created his own personal swamp.
He betrayed all of our populist anger.
dan friesen
Instead of clearing out the swamp, he built a theme park there.
jordan holmes
And that's why we gotta give him four more years!
Everybody knows the first ride on a theme park sucks.
dan friesen
I think that in...
In the lead up to that election, there were a lot of voices on the left who were not super thrilled with a lot of the unkept, unfulfilled promises of Obama's first term.
jordan holmes
Sanders wanted a primary.
dan friesen
Now, I don't think that there were people, a large block of folks who were like...
Obama built a fucking chain restaurant in the swamps of evil, and he fucking lied to us, and I don't like him.
I hate him about as much as the Tea Party, but we gotta vote.
jordan holmes
He was 95% wrong on everything.
95% wrong.
We gotta give him four more years.
dan friesen
Their presentation of shit is so extreme on InfoWars that even this has to be extreme.
And it's nonsense.
It's comical.
This is the version of your youth pastor being like, yeah, man, I killed five people.
But then I found God.
I used to shoot heroin up into my eyeballs.
Maybe some people have done that, but you haven't done that.
Rex, you were 13 in 2016.
You weren't betrayed.
You don't understand any of this shit you're talking about.
You don't even feel any of this.
You're just trying to make your dad proud.
Shut the fuck up.
You're a youth pastor who shot heroin in his eyeballs.
You're telling me a fake fucking story about, oh, hey, you're disillusioned with Trump, but you've got to give him four more years.
The fuck?
Get the fuck out of here.
jordan holmes
That's so sad.
That's so sad and pathetic.
dan friesen
I'm more sad that I'm transitioning towards talking about this fucking kid.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
Anyway, you know, there's a little bit more Rex making his argument.
Lesser two evils.
unidentified
Trump may have lied to us.
He may have betrayed us on a lot of things.
But I think, honestly, in the second term, he can turn it around.
jordan holmes
Really?
unidentified
He doesn't have to listen.
jordan holmes
Really?
unidentified
Why would he stop now?
dan friesen
You're re-electing him!
jordan holmes
There are no consequences for his actions should he continue doing the same shit.
The only way you can influence what he does is by not voting for him.
dan friesen
I know that this guy outside the train with the cards on a table, I know that he scammed me.
jordan holmes
Yeah, totally.
dan friesen
Totally.
jordan holmes
Of course he did.
dan friesen
It was a fraud.
jordan holmes
That's his job.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
He does it.
You're a tourist.
He does it.
dan friesen
Next round, straight up.
jordan holmes
Okay!
Alright, gotta roll them bones down.
dan friesen
No, thank you.
jordan holmes
As long as I say to him first, excuse me, sir, can we play straight up?
dan friesen
So Alex has got his son doing a special report here where he makes a weak lesser of two evils argument.
jordan holmes
I think he makes the wrong argument.
I think he makes literally the lesser of two evil arguments for Biden.
dan friesen
Maybe.
Then Alex has his old buddy, Daryl.
jordan holmes
Hey, Daryl, get on in here.
alex jones
I asked my producer a few weeks ago, I said, I haven't talked to Daryl Rundis in years.
You're a good friend of mine.
You've been on the show for over 10 years, 12 years or so, and I'm glad we got in contact with you.
I'm glad you were able to come on the show.
darrel rundus
Man, it's so good to be here.
I'll tell you what, Alex, it's humbling sitting in this chair knowing who else has sat in this chair.
I mean, amazing, powerful men and women who have had profound and positive impact on this country.
dan friesen
Carpe donctum.
Mike Cernovich.
Vox Day.
jordan holmes
The names of people who have sat in that chair.
dan friesen
The guy who hit stuff with a hammer only did a remote.
unidentified
Sitting in that chair in spirit.
dan friesen
At least he's got a good voice.
Yeah, he does.
jordan holmes
Daryl's got a great voice.
dan friesen
Daryl Rundis.
jordan holmes
I can see why he's a pastor.
dan friesen
God, man, I gotta say, like, I am deep in Infowars.
I listen to a lot of this stuff.
jordan holmes
Did you know Daryl?
dan friesen
Fuck no.
I understand, like, normal, everyday person.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
If you go up to them and you say Leo Zagami, they're probably not going to know who he is.
He's not a celebrity.
jordan holmes
Doubtful.
dan friesen
If you go up to somebody and say Daryl Hamamoto, no one is probably, unless you go to USC, you're probably not going to know who he is.
jordan holmes
Probably not.
dan friesen
But to me, like, those are names that ring out.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
There's other people, too, who, like, even lesser guests.
Bob Chapman.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
These people are, like, they're InfoWars names.
Daryl Rundis.
jordan holmes
Daryl Rundis!
dan friesen
I was like, I heard him say that, like, this isn't even one of these guys who, like, hasn't been around in a while and is making a comeback.
I have no idea who the fuck this guy is.
jordan holmes
We're at, like, this is Price is Right.
He's pulling somebody from the studio audience to interview.
dan friesen
If you had had a list of names and it was like a game show, gun to my head, is Daryl Rundis an old friend of Alex's or a name I have made up?
jordan holmes
That's a good question.
dan friesen
I would not be able to confidently answer that question.
jordan holmes
That's a good point.
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Daryl Rundis.
jordan holmes
Daryl Rundis.
dan friesen
Is on the show.
And I think I have a theory.
I have a theory about this guy.
And man, this is very exciting.
Mic down for this because Daryl Rundis is someone who's making a return.
But we have a side character.
darrel rundus
But today I wanted to take this opportunity with the short time that I have with you today to bring a history lesson to people.
And I brought something.
That I got from you last time I was on this show.
This is called Tyranny Crusher.
And if you would, just give people a little history about how this cord got cut, because it's significant.
And I'm going to tie it all together to where we are today.
jordan holmes
This motherfucker has Tyranny Crusher!
dan friesen
He has Alex's old bullhorn!
jordan holmes
He has original Tyranny Crusher?
dan friesen
I don't know which one is which or anything, but this is the one that got the Mike Kord, or the Kordovic cut.
And they talk about that a bunch.
And that is the one that Alex sold.
This guy bought Tyranny Crusher.
jordan holmes
God damn it.
dan friesen
That's the one that Alex was auctioning off.
jordan holmes
You sold Tyranny Crusher to this guy?
Oh, man.
dan friesen
Right.
I'm like, this is...
Because I remember that Alex...
Auctioned it.
And part of the thing that made it so funny that it was auctioned is that it didn't work because it got mic cord cut.
And that's why it was a piece of history that Alex was auctioning it off.
jordan holmes
It was memorabilia.
unidentified
Exactly.
dan friesen
I mean, unless there are multiple tyranny crushers that have been damaged.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Oh, man!
Do you think he even pulls that scam?
Like, he's got 10 or 11 tyranny crushers around, and if he wants to give them...
Like, if he's trying to date a woman, he cuts the cord, and he's like, this is tyranny crusher one, baby.
dan friesen
It seems unlikely.
I think that there's two possibilities.
One is that Alex faked auctioning it off.
jordan holmes
Possible.
And then gave it to his old buddy.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Or...
dan friesen
Daryl Rundis bought it.
jordan holmes
Daryl Rundis has Tyranny Crusher money.
dan friesen
He seems like the kind of guy who might have bought Tyranny Crusher.
Anyway, we got the bullhorn in the house.
And it turns out that Daryl Rundus is a zealot.
He's a big old Christian zealot.
jordan holmes
Not a surprise.
darrel rundus
I'd rather you be hot or cold, Jesus says.
It's the lukewarm, lazy Christian that makes him literally sick to his stomach.
And so I'm here today as kind of a call to action, a call to challenge, to tell Christians, look, it's okay to get up and to get out and to speak up.
Don't be afraid of men, okay?
What can men do to you?
I mean, especially like, we take this COVID-19 thing and wear the mask and all these other things.
What's the worst that can happen as you die?
Well, if you're really soundly saved, if you've sold out for Christ, man, you're going home to your reward.
You should be happy.
alex jones
Plus, statistically, it's all a lie put out by Gates and the rest of them.
So let's get into Tyranny Crusher, and then I want to get into what you see in the world.
unidentified
Whoa.
dan friesen
So this guy is basically saying, hey, if you are right with God, then hey, if you get COVID, you'll die, but you'll go to heaven.
jordan holmes
I want, retroactively, I want every joke about 72 virgins, I want every complaint immediately following 9-11 of like, this is what those people...
dan friesen
Please retract all of this.
jordan holmes
Take it all fucking back, you 72 virgins loving Christian bullshit asshole.
Fuck you, it's okay to die if you're right with God.
dan friesen
I mean, if it's a personal decision...
I don't know how much I'm going to argue with it.
It's the same problem, though, that you'd have with, let's say, a terrorist attack, and that it affects other people.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's the same thing.
dan friesen
It's not an issue of you getting sick.
It's an issue of how many other people you could get sick.
jordan holmes
Sure, I can spread the disease, but I personally don't want to wear a mask, so it's fine.
unidentified
It's...
jordan holmes
Because I'm right with God.
So even if I do die, sure, maybe I've spread it around to a few hundred people.
dan friesen
Well, that's the thing.
It's fallacious.
Because his argument is that the worst thing that can happen is that you can die, when that is not the worst thing that can happen.
jordan holmes
Oh no, the worst thing that can happen is hundreds of thousands of people could die.
dan friesen
The worst thing that can happen as a result of you not considering yourself a part of an intricate system of interconnected people is that you end up, through your negligence or your combativeness or whatever, your, like, blase, I'm going to heaven anyway, so who cares attitude.
You could kill people around you.
You could be partially responsible for the deaths of your loved ones, strangers.
All sorts of things.
There's so much worse than just you dying.
This is tunnel vision stuff that's predicated on just religious messaging.
And it's fucking scary.
jordan holmes
I don't understand how people don't get this concept of like, look, I can't control other people's actions.
So it's possible that I can contract it.
I can get the virus.
That's part of the deal.
I'm a human being.
I can wear a mask.
I can do all of this stuff, but life is fucking unpredictable.
The only problem, though, is if I do know that I'm infected and I don't quarantine and I don't do anything and I spread it directly to only one person or a hundred people and one of them dies, I don't see any possible way that I'm not personally responsible for that.
Do you know what I'm saying?
dan friesen
At least negligence.
Responsibility is very murky because of, you know.
jordan holmes
But I had one choice to not go outside.
dan friesen
If you made an informed choice, then I think that you have a little bit of culpability.
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
Explain to me how you can live with that on your conscience.
dan friesen
Yeah, and Rundis doesn't care.
jordan holmes
He doesn't give a shit.
dan friesen
And I want to say this.
Who the fuck is Daryl Rundus?
jordan holmes
He's the pastor, Dan.
dan friesen
Why is he even...
jordan holmes
He's America's pastor.
dan friesen
Why is he even on this show expressing these opinions?
What value is this to the public conversation?
jordan holmes
He's America's pastor.
dan friesen
Fucking Daryl Rundus.
jordan holmes
Nah, he's great.
dan friesen
Well, he did...
There is one claim to fame that he has.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
Daryl Rundus is with us.
He has Butterflyers.com.
You've probably seen him.
He invented it.
Okay, you want to get into the Antichrist world government, and I want to be clear, I never thought that we could stop the Antichrist and stop the world government.
dan friesen
Okay.
alex jones
But if you read the Bible, if you study history, things repeat.
dan friesen
Okay, Alex, I didn't think, you know, Alex is saying that he doesn't think that we can stop the Antichrist.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And he also said that Daryl Rundis runs Butterflyers.
jordan holmes
He does.
dan friesen
And I was like, what the fuck is this?
jordan holmes
Old fishing buddy.
unidentified
So I looked into this, what this is.
dan friesen
This is a company, right?
And what they do is they sell, like, greeting cards, right?
So you can get, like, a birthday card for somebody, but it's in the shape of a butterfly.
And now, here's where it gets interesting.
So there's two parts of it that are connected by a little axle in the middle, kind of.
And inside that little axis, axle, or whatever, there's a rubber band, right?
And so you spin it.
You twist it up, right?
So the rubber band gets really tight.
And then you put it inside a book.
And then you give someone the book.
jordan holmes
And it flies out.
unidentified
They open it up and then it flies out.
jordan holmes
That's kind of fun.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I mean, I guess.
dan friesen
That's my feeling too.
jordan holmes
I mean, we're on, you know, like...
I guess that's better than the peanut brittle gag anymore.
You know, like, that's better.
dan friesen
No, this is...
jordan holmes
I kind of like it.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
That's not a terrible idea.
I'll give Daryl Rundis one thing.
dan friesen
No, I know.
jordan holmes
I think his nihilistic murder lust is bad.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
But Butterflyers is not bad.
dan friesen
No, yeah, that's one of those...
That's like, yeah, all right.
I don't care.
I don't want to buy one.
I think if someone gave me one and it flew out of a book, I'd be like, oh, look at that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, right?
dan friesen
Yeah, but whatever.
It's a novelty.
It's a novelty product that you could easily see being sold at those seasonal stores that go out of business all the time.
jordan holmes
Hallmark needs it.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
What the fuck ever.
Can't imagine.
This is a billion dollar idea.
I don't know.
Look, anyway.
jordan holmes
I think it's great.
dan friesen
Sure.
They do a bit of an infomercial for it.
It makes me wonder if maybe this is sponsored.
jordan holmes
Brokered.
dan friesen
But whatever.
Whether it is or not doesn't matter to me because the content is atrocious.
And it's basically like, hey man, if Trump doesn't get elected.
darrel rundus
It's where we're at right now.
This country is on a tipping point.
If you won't get up, wake up, wise up, and rise up right now, it's gone.
It's over.
It's just like it was on the days of Belshazzar when he called in Daniel and he asked him to interpret this writing that was on the wall.
It was the hand of God writing on the wall saying, you have turned for me.
You've taken all that your father had given you and all that he had done for me.
And you've squandered it.
You now worship idols, and you drink from the chalices that were meant from the temple.
And so today, this very day, the enemy is in your gate, and that very night he died.
He died.
And that's what's going to happen to this country if we do not get Donald Trump elected again, if we continue to...
I mean, it's as simple as this, Alex.
I mean, think about this for a second.
It's not who votes that counts.
jordan holmes
What?
darrel rundus
It's who counts the votes.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
Fun.
I would say that if this guy is a pastor, I hope his fucking 501c3 is revoked.
But yeah, I mean, this is silly.
jordan holmes
Have we ever talked really about how stupid God is?
Like, God is an idiot.
He's so dumb.
That's not how you solve that problem.
dan friesen
It depends on your conception of God.
jordan holmes
The Bible's conception?
He's a dumb guy.
dan friesen
If you're bringing that to the text, then yeah, maybe.
jordan holmes
He's a bad administrator, at least.
dan friesen
The version that's being presented to you by people like Alex and Daryl Rundus isn't great.
Look, dude, the issue that I have here is I was listening to this.
First of all, I was like, this is pretty fucking overt end time shit going on.
And then the other feeling that I had was like, this is just like a guy who couldn't get booked on Jim Baker.
This is just a guy who isn't...
Good enough to make the major leagues.
And now Alex is apparently another platform for kooky end times people who make money off weird products.
jordan holmes
Man, go full alien.
Just go full alien.
Look, we can't deal with Carrie Cassidy anymore.
Maybe we don't need to switch it up.
Maybe Alex needs to switch it up.
dan friesen
I mean, he's showing some inclinations towards that.
jordan holmes
I like it.
dan friesen
I mean, but this is just straight up.
Violent Jim Baker.
Oh, no.
jordan holmes
This is awful.
dan friesen
Listen to this shit.
darrel rundus
And I think what's wrong with a modern American Christian or even Americans is they're not ready to meet their maker.
See, all my Christian life people would say, Daryl, you're so on fire for God.
You love the Lord.
You know the Bible.
What's the secret?
Give me some quick tips.
I'd say, well, know your maker.
Read the Bible.
Pray.
Fellowship with other believers, etc.
Know your maker.
And then make your maker known.
But I realized there was a third part that was missing.
And these times that we're living in, these turbulent times, these difficult days, I realized...
It's about meeting your maker, too.
All throughout Scripture, you see examples Jesus gives about being ready to meet your maker, being ready for these days.
You don't have to be afraid.
You don't have to.
alex jones
Well, I've said that on air.
I go, I'm ready to meet my maker.
They go, Jones is suicidal.
No, the opposite, but I'm ready.
I'm ready right now.
Put a gun to my head, deny Christ or serve Satan.
I say, pull the trigger.
I'm not scared.
I'm ready.
darrel rundus
That's right.
dan friesen
You guys talk about that end of things a little too much.
A little too much.
Yeah.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Man, death cult.
Really popular these days.
unidentified
Really popular.
jordan holmes
We used to only have like a hundred people in a death cult at a time.
Now we got half the fucking country?
God damn!
dan friesen
Yeah, this is scary.
And it also gets scarier as Daryl Rundis.
jordan holmes
Noted Butterflyer Daryl Rundis.
dan friesen
Yes, which I'm not shitting on the product.
Product seems fine.
But he gets scarier as he reveals more of his beliefs.
darrel rundus
I would say that's pre-flood.
dan friesen
Alex is talking about like a weird skull.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Like a crocodile skull.
jordan holmes
Oh, we're making up nonsense about the flood now?
dan friesen
That skull that he believes is pre-flood.
jordan holmes
Fine.
darrel rundus
I'm a young earth guy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you are.
darrel rundus
I've done a lot of research, a lot of studying on this.
Did you?
Just recently, maybe about four or five years ago, they found DNA in dinosaur tissue.
alex jones
I remember.
So how is there 45 million old?
darrel rundus
It can't be.
jordan holmes
You could learn the answer to the question!
dan friesen
Yeah, you could look into this.
I think he just watched Jurassic Park.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
They didn't necessarily find DNA.
They found remnants of things.
jordan holmes
No, Jurassic Park.
dan friesen
Great.
So Alex hears this and he's like, look, I don't want to invalidate the things you're saying, but I also really don't want to commit to Young Earth stuff.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's a good idea.
dan friesen
Because I can't.
alex jones
I don't get into the debate because they try to set science against, you know, Christians.
And then some of the pastors have their own theories.
All I know is they're constantly revising the universe.
And now they're going, okay, all of our spectrometers show that our universe is held in power by something five times stronger.
And now they're like, okay, it's a simulation.
Okay, let's break out of it.
So they're actually now like Lucifer saying, I'm breaking out of this simulation.
I want my own reality.
I mean, the top scientists, the billionaires, the head of Bank of America says, we're held in here by some slave master.
We've scanned it.
It's fake.
Well, see, so they're right back to Lucifer saying, come with me.
We're going to create our new reality in silicon.
Merge with machines.
We're going to make you gods.
darrel rundus
Think about CERN, right?
jordan holmes
Why?
darrel rundus
When they turned on that generator and it opened up a new portal to a new dimension and something demonic came out.
If you've never checked into CERN, do your research.
alex jones
Oh, that was on the news.
It was just horrible.
darrel rundus
I mean, they're demonic.
dan friesen
So it was in the news.
jordan holmes
What is happening?
What just happened here?
dan friesen
I was in the news.
jordan holmes
It was not in the news that an evil spirit came out of CERN.
dan friesen
It was in the news.
jordan holmes
It would have been bigger news.
dan friesen
It was in the news, man.
jordan holmes
All religion is boiled down to we can open a dimensional portal and something evil comes out?
dan friesen
It was in the news.
jordan holmes
Doesn't that invalidate his whole religion?
dan friesen
It was in the news.
jordan holmes
No, you can't even have young earth creationism if you also have portals are real.
dan friesen
It was in the news.
jordan holmes
Because of...
No!
I mean, you're saying that they could create a portal, a collider.
A collider creates a portal that allows things out.
How is it that science can open portals if your fucking god is weak?
dan friesen
Well, Jordan, I don't think you heard me.
It's in the news.
jordan holmes
I don't think it's in the news!
dan friesen
It's in the news!
It was not in the news.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
No, it was in the news.
Something evil came out.
It was like, Bah!
dan friesen
Bah!
unidentified
Bah!
dan friesen
That New York Times headline.
jordan holmes
Something came out.
alex jones
It was like, Bah!
dan friesen
Demon appears through portal.
It's CERN.
It says, Bah!
jordan holmes
Demon pokes head out and says, Wazzup!
It goes back inside.
dan friesen
Wait, Trump's president?
Nah.
jordan holmes
Nah, dude.
I'm out.
alex jones
Wow.
dan friesen
That kind of flippant, like, yeah, yeah, totally, man.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
Makes me really think Alex is getting paid to say this shit.
Because it's just like, all right, look, I can go along with you for this.
I can't do the young earth stuff.
That's going to hurt the brand too much.
Yeah.
Also, what Alex is saying.
That suggests to me that if this is a simulation, his religious beliefs transform into supporting the simulation?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
That doesn't make sense.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
So there is a god.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Unless this is a simulation.
dan friesen
And in that case, the god is whoever's controlling the simulation.
Right.
jordan holmes
So there's still a god.
dan friesen
Huh.
I feel like for someone who talks about the Matrix all the time.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
This doesn't make much sense.
jordan holmes
Okay, so is the Bible simulated?
dan friesen
I mean, it would have to be if it was a simulation.
jordan holmes
It would have to be if it was a simulation.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
So doesn't that make the Bible meaningless?
unidentified
Bah!
Alright.
dan friesen
So, Daryl Rundis gets to talking more.
I find his name fun to say.
jordan holmes
I can see that.
dan friesen
Well, it's mostly because, again...
jordan holmes
I like the intonation.
The contempt.
The contempt is dripping.
Daryl Rundis.
unidentified
It's just funny to me that he's a guest on Alex's show.
dan friesen
It's legitimately funny to me.
jordan holmes
What are you going to do?
dan friesen
So, anyway, he has some ideas about his enemies, his perceived enemies, who are also Alex's enemies.
They're Satanists, right?
But they know they're Satanists.
jordan holmes
I don't know that.
darrel rundus
All the Illuminists, all the powerful politicians, the elitists, they believe in God.
They know there's a God.
They just choose to serve Satan.
They want their power now.
So therefore, they sacrifice those children.
That's why they're pedophiles.
That's why they love their adrenal gland and drinking blood and doing all these things, because they're drunk on power.
That's what they want.
dan friesen
Oh, cool.
So this dude's a blood libel guy, too.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, naturally.
Isn't that what you expected him to be, though?
dan friesen
Yeah, kind of.
Just not as open about it.
jordan holmes
Nah, toss it in there!
dan friesen
It's very overt now.
Come on, now!
Anyway, he believes that the United States...
Sure.
Is the mystery of Babylon.
jordan holmes
Sure, why not?
dan friesen
Of scripture.
And he kind of is a little bit of a pre-trib rapture guy, but he's also not, but he's sort of one.
Which should be a gigantic problem for Alex, but it's not because he's not really a pre-trib rapture.
jordan holmes
No, trib is big for Alex.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Pre-trib rapture is basically the globalist.
jordan holmes
He hates it.
darrel rundus
I believe, honestly...
alex jones
Drunk on the blood of children!
darrel rundus
I believe Mystery Babylon is America.
I believe that's what John saw.
I think that's what God was revealing.
alex jones
That's destroyed!
darrel rundus
Isn't that convenient that you live there?
But I think that's after we're out of here.
Those that are getting on the ark, so to speak, that is found in Christ, salvation only through Christ, will escape that.
Not tribulation, but the wrath of God.
In fact, the time is coming...
One could argue.
And it'll be so bad, so bad, that the Spirit of God tells the angel to herald to the world, blessed are those who die from this point forward that are in Christ.
Because it would be better to die in Christ than to deal with the wrath of God on an unbelieving world.
jordan holmes
Wait, so you're just going to die then?
dan friesen
But I thought that after the Tribulation, Jesus rules for a thousand years, right?
jordan holmes
Nah, don't worry about that.
dan friesen
When's the wrath part?
Wait, when he's saying that the believers will be spared whatever this awful thing...
Isn't that what the tribulation is?
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
Tribulation is a wrath.
Tribulation is like...
What is it?
It's more like administrative cleaning.
Like, they're downsizing the Earth.
You know, it's not personal.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
You know, it's not the wrath part.
dan friesen
It's not you, it's me.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
The wrath part comes when, you know, when the dragons are out or whatever, and then God is all like, ah!
dan friesen
This dude's a straight-up, like, apocalypse is here, end times preacher.
Like, it legit belongs on Jim Baker's show.
This is...
Like, even for Alex, this is a bit much.
jordan holmes
This is ludicrous, yeah.
dan friesen
A bit much.
jordan holmes
How many people have you killed?
darrel rundus
Well, almost all of them eventually are going to be cast into the lake of fire, but those that have not escaped, I mean, most of those people...
A lot of people are going to get saved.
A lot of people are going to realize they missed the boat, literally and figuratively, and then they're going to come to Christ.
Unfortunately, they'll have hell on earth to deal with for seven years.
They're going to have to deal with the Antichrist and dodge and take in the mark and not being able to buy or sell without taking the mark and so on and so forth.
So it's going to be hell on earth, but those that stand firm to the end will be saved.
Christ will come back, he'll set up his kingdom, he'll set everything right, and things will be great again for at least a thousand years.
And then, for some reason, the Bible doesn't say, Satan gets loosed from the pits of hell, and he starts to run amok again.
But God's cast him and all the rest of those whose names weren't in the book of life back into the lake of fire.
dan friesen
Trailed off a little bit there.
jordan holmes
Do you hear yourself right now?
dan friesen
That's why you trailed off a little bit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, come on!
God doesn't say why.
dan friesen
And then the devil gets loose again.
jordan holmes
He's doing this whole thing, and then the devil gets loose.
So it's at least a thousand years, but doesn't that break God's promise from the...
dan friesen
Where was the wrath in there?
jordan holmes
Well, it was the seven years of tribulation that he will escape.
dan friesen
But I thought that it's not a pre-trib guy.
jordan holmes
No, but it's...
Okay, now I'm going to start over for you.
Alright, so in, let's say, 2021, the Antichrist...
dan friesen
Speaking as Dan, I don't want to do this.
jordan holmes
I imagine Obama is still the Antichrist in this scenario.
dan friesen
I don't want to do this.
jordan holmes
Alright, well...
dan friesen
One last clip here.
And Alex is talking a little bit about his younger years here.
And I don't think this timeline makes sense.
jordan holmes
I shanked him.
dan friesen
No, no shanked him.
alex jones
Well, I was Christian, but I was about 18, or not 17. And I'd gotten really radical and wild, like 12. And so I'd already had hundreds of girlfriends and done all these fights and all this really...
I wasn't a Satanist consciously, but I was a Satanist.
darrel rundus
What?
alex jones
Vicious, attacking, like what they'd want a Satanist to be, what they'd think of one as.
What?
You know, shriveled person.
And then it was all of a sudden like God just started getting a hold of me and like having dreams about the New World Order and the world government and the evil and how bad it was for children.
And I really repented and got, you know, stopped dating for a while and got better.
And then I was like basically...
Almost like a vision continually that I had to do this work.
So it's a process with me.
darrel rundus
I think a lot of people look at you, or maybe me, or other Christians, or Kanye as an example, and they nitpick, and they say, oh, well, he did this.
Oh, I caught Alex swearing.
I caught Alex saying this.
Or Alex played a Led Zeppelin song.
You know, whatever it is.
But they don't understand that.
alex jones
The fruit.
darrel rundus
The problem.
alex jones
We'll be right back.
60 seconds.
dan friesen
That's...
Upsetting?
Here's the problem that I have, and I hate to be exactly what Daryl Rundis is accusing me of being, which is a nitpicker.
But the issue that I have is that, according to Alex's own telling of his life story, he supposedly has been aware of all of these evil plans and the globalists at a young age because of his parents who were hip to this stuff and hung out with John Birch Society people.
unidentified
And Alex read None Dare Call It Conspiracy at 12, and it opened up his mind.
dan friesen
Sure.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Apparently he's a subconscious Satanist at 17, 18. This just doesn't make sense.
His backstory is too convoluted for any of it to make sense.
But because of just these dumb stories of like, and then I saw the light.
I had a bit of the picture, but then I saw everything.
Because you can just say that at any point.
You can retcon whatever you want.
It's all nonsense.
It's bullshit.
I was just an out-of-control, fucked-up person.
Got obsessed with ideas about the New World Order.
Probably started dreaming about it.
Thought it was a mission from God.
jordan holmes
At least Zagami's backstory has him being a DJ in Italy.
That's cool as shit.
dan friesen
There's achievement there.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And he did 9-11.
So he's killing it with his made-up backstory and his real backstory.
Alex's real backstory sucks just as much as his made-up backstory.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I'm a big fan.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And, you know, nitpicking is one thing.
Maybe I'm taking this a little bit more personally than I need to, but nitpicking is one thing.
When I hear Alex tell these stories, it's like, oh, I get a sense that you have unresolved issues that are maybe motivating all of this.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
And it's kind of obvious.
jordan holmes
A little.
dan friesen
When you actually treat...
You as a human as opposed to a psychic who talks to God all the time like you want your listeners to look at you as?
That's not nitpicking.
That's me assessing, analyzing, taking Alex's words in context.
Nitpicking would be me saying, hey, Daryl Rundus, earlier you said that these people who were in the tribulation literally and metaphorically missed the boat, which means that there's a literal boat that is supposed to come.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
And this is before the tribulation.
dan friesen
Yeah, there's a literal boat.
There's an actual, like, yacht that Christians have to get on.
jordan holmes
Made out of toenails.
dan friesen
Right, that's nitpicking.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
You dick.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Anyway, this dude is a wild Christian zealot that Alex is apparently friends with, or maybe they have some sort of a financial entanglement that involves him buying Alex's fucking broken bullhorn and selling butterflies.
jordan holmes
Jesus.
dan friesen
Anyway, fuck this noise.
jordan holmes
Fuck this noise.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Man.
dan friesen
What a stupid couple days on your show.
jordan holmes
Daryl Rundis fucking sucks.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I find this to be a real weird period of time.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I feel like there's a lot of present day stuff that we've been doing and I think we have to.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because I feel like things are happening and it's really a mess.
And sometimes there's important stuff that happens.
And sometimes you got Daryl Rundus.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So, it's hard to comprehend of an episode we do where it's like, oh, Lebanon and Beirut were attacked by a conspiracy.
dan friesen
I'm going to make up that it was Israel.
jordan holmes
Zero people have ever, zero children have died in specifically Massachusetts, which I assume means the world.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
And then also, a demon came through CERN.
unidentified
All in a day's work watching this dum-dum.
jordan holmes
It's an interesting fucking asshole.
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
Anyway, we'll be back.
But until then, we have a website.
jordan holmes
We do have a website.
It's KnowledgeFight.com.
dan friesen
Yep.
We're also on Twitter.
jordan holmes
We are on Twitter.
It's at KnowledgeFight.
I go to Ben Jordan.
dan friesen
We're also on Facebook.
jordan holmes
We are on Facebook.
And if you could, please find a local charity or bail fund in your area to help those doing God's work.
dan friesen
Yep.
We'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZXClark.
I'm Daryl Rundis.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Alex, I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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