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March 16, 2020 - Knowledge Fight
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#408: March 11-13, 2020

Today, Dan and Jordan discuss the very tumultuous days at the end of last week on The Alex Jones Show. In this installment, Alex gets very defensive about news articles about how he has been selling his silver, comes out as a Tom Hanks truther, and almost accidentally says that he enjoys killing people.

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alex jones
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dan friesen
01:52:25
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jordan holmes
30:04
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mike adams
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milo yiannopolis
01:30
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steve pieczenik
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alexandria ocasio-cortez
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francis a boyle
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Dan and George Knowledge Fight *outro music* Need money *outro music* Andy in Kansas Andy in Kansas Stop it Andy in Kansas It's time to pray Andy in Kansas You're on the air Hey, everybody.
dan friesen
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Indeed we are, Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Jordan.
You know, I've been trying to get you to play it for months now.
dan friesen
What's that?
Witcher 3. Oh, have you?
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh, we've talked about it a bunch.
dan friesen
I don't think that's true.
jordan holmes
Oh, totally.
But my question to you is, what is the hardest decision you've had to make so far?
dan friesen
Well, probably deciding to play it.
But I had to get to that point because I found a cheap used copy of it and I had finished Horizon Zero Dawn, which was fantastic.
9 out of 10 review of me.
I don't want to give anything 10 out of 10 unless I ruin the perfect score or whatever.
I don't know.
I haven't been playing it that much or that long.
So I don't know.
I haven't really met any super...
jordan holmes
Oh, really?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Because the joy of Witcher 3 is that there are so many complicated moral decisions that you have.
It's the joy.
I swear to you, that is the entire game.
dan friesen
Maybe I listened to too much Alex Jones, but I don't know if I've encountered too many things that I would say like, that's notably morally dubious.
jordan holmes
Because it's a fantasy world.
Have you done the Bloody Baron quest line yet?
dan friesen
Probably.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
Oh man, there's some morally dubious questions there.
dan friesen
Maybe.
I look at that more as just like, oh, this is fucked up.
jordan holmes
That's right.
We live in a post-morality world, that's fair.
dan friesen
Perhaps.
I don't know.
I think it's alright.
I'd heard a lot of people say, like, this game should be kept away from kids because of all the fucking in it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there's a lot of fucking in it.
dan friesen
I haven't seen any of that up until this point.
jordan holmes
Man, unicorns.
dan friesen
I don't look forward to finding out what you mean by that.
jordan holmes
There's a lot of complicated moral choices.
unidentified
Cool.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Anyway, this is probably because I don't know much about Witcher, but I do know a lot about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
And I know a ton about the former and almost nothing about the former.
dan friesen
I also don't like how our introductions are turning into video game reviews.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
dan friesen
This isn't the show.
jordan holmes
We're living in a world where it's tough to go outside.
dan friesen
So today, Jordan, we've got an interesting episode to go over.
We're talking about March 11th through March 13th, which is Wednesday through Friday of last week.
It was a turbulent time in Alex's life.
He had just done his show post...
Not sleeping, having spent a night in the old clink.
jordan holmes
Did a little screaming, did a little crying.
dan friesen
So that was on the 12th.
That was Tuesday the 12th.
That whole situation happened.
And so Wednesday through Friday is a very tumultuous period for Alex.
He's still trying to push a lot of the coronavirus situation and trying to deal with the major news that's going on in the world.
But you can tell that something is not right.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, this is a very fucked up stretch of time.
I'm not going to try and sugarcoat it at all.
This is troubling.
You asked if I was okay when you came in right before we started recording.
And a part of it was like, this is messed up stuff.
This ride is going to be as messed up as a couple of missions in The Witcher.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's not good.
dan friesen
No, probably not.
It might be worse.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So, we'll get down to business on that, but before we do, we've got to take a moment to say thank you to some folks who signed up and are supporting the show.
So, first, Michael, thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Michael.
dan friesen
Next, Tori.
Thank you so much.
This is with an I, by the way.
Tori with an I. Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, Tori.
dan friesen
Thank you, Tori.
jordan holmes
Heart dot in the I on that one?
unidentified
Nope.
dan friesen
I don't know if that works in the font.
jordan holmes
Okay, damn.
dan friesen
Next, Imar.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Imar.
dan friesen
Thank you.
unidentified
Next, Dieter.
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Dieter.
dan friesen
Thank you, Dieter.
Next, Tonks and Dylan.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, Thompson Dillon.
dan friesen
Next, Map1106.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Map1106.
dan friesen
Yep, thank you.
And finally, I'd like to say thank you to somebody who donated on an elevated level.
We appreciate that very much.
So, Kristen, thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
Crikey, mate.
That's fantastic.
Have yourself a brew.
How's your 401k doing, bro?
All right, we got to go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, all right?
Let's just get down to business.
We ain't making that money off that heroin.
Why are you pimp so good?
My neck is freakishly large.
I declare Infowar on you.
dan friesen
Thank you so much, Kristen.
jordan holmes
Yes, thank you very much, Kristen.
dan friesen
If you're out there listening and you're thinking, hey, I enjoy this show, I'd like to support what these gents do, you can do that by going to our website, knowledgefight.com, clicking the button that says support the show.
We would appreciate it.
jordan holmes
It'd be lovely.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, we start off today on March 11th, which you might note is 3-11.
And if we know one thing, Alex hates 311.
jordan holmes
Hates 311.
So this is the worst day of his life.
dan friesen
No, I don't know if it is.
But by this point, other media outlets had started picking up on Alex's silver sales.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
The way he was very inappropriately, unethically, possibly illegally, marketing his silver gargle and toothpaste.
And so he begins his show, doubling the fuck down.
jordan holmes
Of course.
alex jones
There's a big Mother Jones article out of...
Attacking us saying, Jones sells supplements that he claims protect you against coronavirus.
They've got fake quotes, everything they reported to the government trying to get us in trouble.
And they play on people's ignorance.
These aren't FDA approved.
No supplement is FDA approved.
It's in a separate category.
They know that they play this game like, Jones is selling illegal weed or something.
Or, you know, Jones is selling bathtub meth.
They play on this garbage.
But the truth is, we showed you the documents from the Pentagon and from A&M saying nanosilver of this type is known to kill viruses.
That's a fact.
You go to the hospitals now.
They've got all this nanosilver product, the same ones we sell.
dan friesen
So you were right to sell your supplement as if it were a drug then.
jordan holmes
It should have been approved by the FDA.
dan friesen
He's doing a bad job of defending himself.
unidentified
No, no, no.
jordan holmes
This is not good.
dan friesen
And this is going to be a consistent thread throughout this episode.
jordan holmes
Somebody who has robbed you as their corporate representative in a deposition is bad at defending himself?
This seems odd, Dan.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's unexpected.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex gets to talking about these documents from the Pentagon and all that.
I think that if you listen to this, especially as it gets further on and the attention gets larger that's being put on to Alex about this sales issue, I think it becomes pretty clear that he knows damn well that those documents are only talking about the wound gel.
alex jones
Jones sells fish oil.
What a kook.
Oh, yeah.
And then, you know, he sells wound cream.
You know, he claims that, you know, it's funny, though.
A lot of stuff we sell is not even in the cell of the glass.
It's actually FDA.
For over-the-counter, we just private label it.
This is the strongest silver you can get over-the-counter.
This isn't even a plug.
I was talking about this.
The strongest silver you get over-the-counter, American Nanotech Company puts it out.
We private label it.
Do not ingest this.
It kills germs for a reason.
It's nasty stuff.
The point is that it's much weaker level and good at that level and the toothpaste and the skin cream and all the rest of it.
But the idiot leftists are so anti-human and so anti-everything, they're not just creating new national holidays.
The Democrats are for abortion.
Oh, wait till I cover that.
They literally don't want you to know about silver that God gave us.
I mean, these people are sick, but no one listens to them anymore.
dan friesen
I'm not positive that he does get back to that story about the holiday, but...
jordan holmes
That's a classic me thinks you have to protest too much kind of situation.
That cadence of time.
No, no, no.
What they don't like is the liberals, they just hate us.
dan friesen
Yeah.
It is a situation where you're not talking about the issue.
You're obfuscating quite a bit.
And I think you can tell the way he's talking about the gel.
That is the one that is approved for sales that way.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Alex has been thinking real deep about this virus, and he wants you to know that the main thing that's important to remember is that it's man-made.
But also, he has people on the show to really scare you, because that's important, too.
jordan holmes
Right.
alex jones
I woke up at 4 a.m. this morning, and I spent hours just sitting in a chair in the kitchen, drinking a cup of coffee over an hour, not answering the phone, not reading news, but really deeply dwelling.
Cogitating as a cogiter on the poor tens and the information we know and the tea leaves.
unidentified
Okay.
And I'm going to lay it out right now.
Go.
alex jones
It is an engineered man made bio-weapon.
That's confirmed.
They don't want that discussed because that's their Achilles heel.
It's been deployed.
It has a low kill rate, 2% or so with the elderly.
That's super bad.
Maybe a quarter percent, half a percent general public, still a big deal, still want to get prepared for that.
People that are, you know, talking about the worst in scenarios, like Mike Adams, very reasonable.
You need somebody to, you know, look at it from perspective to then form the dialectic and figure out the synthesis of what's really going on.
As a roadmap to understand the new data as we get it, to look at it from all spectrums.
That's multiple dimensions, third dimensional, fourth dimension thinking.
dan friesen
No, it is not.
jordan holmes
No, that's not.
dan friesen
I need to have...
Outrageous alarmists come on and tell you that the end of the world is coming because that's an important part of us finding the right narrative.
jordan holmes
Exactly!
You gotta get all the angles, Dan.
dan friesen
That's called having a writer's room or something along those lines.
Not, hey, we're trying to form a dialectic.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
No, what we're gonna do is we're gonna brainstorm all the reasons you're gonna die on air and then eventually...
dan friesen
We're gonna accept all of them and present them as if they are all things you should take very, very seriously.
And then later we'll pretend...
Pretend that we were just spitballing.
jordan holmes
Hey, we were just having a conversation about it.
dan friesen
That's very irresponsible.
And you can tell that he kind of is aware of that.
jordan holmes
I mean, if he is right, though, the lone survivors are really going to think he's brilliant.
You know?
I mean, there's not going to be many people to say, I told you so, too.
But they're really going to love him.
dan friesen
So a lot of the narrative is just sort of a maintenance kind of situation.
A lot of it's the same stuff that he's been sort of building with.
It's man-made.
Obama sold it to China.
Those sort of building blocks are really what keeps getting pushed.
And there's a few slight changes.
There's some additions.
jordan holmes
A lot of spin in his wheels, though.
dan friesen
A little bit, yeah.
Alex starts talking about this idea he has that there are a ton of different strains of the virus in this next clip.
alex jones
I was already saying this about three weeks ago, that I thought there'd be other strains, that this was a cover for something bigger.
And now I'm sure of it, and now we see them saying that.
So they're priming the pump.
They always tell you what they're going to do before they do it.
And let me just tell everybody, if you're not getting chills, you're crazy.
Everybody doesn't need the media to scare them to want to go out and get food and get guns and get ready.
Because this is, whoa, I just got the biggest chill I've ever had.
Like, when I'm on target, man, the Holy Spirit is just like, oh boy, we're over the target.
Beyond the veil, the spirit world, God saying, that's it.
That's it.
That's it.
This is what the globalists are doing.
We know what it is.
This is an attack.
So you need to get not hysterical.
You need to get right with God.
You need to tell everybody that it's a staged event.
And you need to then take action by spreading the word to others so people understand that this is an attack on our markets.
It's an attack on our confidence.
It's an attack on the fact that the whole globalist system is falling apart.
I'm going to come back into the details of the coronavirus and some other things, but I do just want to remind all of you that anything I promote is what I really believe is the best thing that needs to be done.
dan friesen
Boom!
It was an ad pivot.
jordan holmes
Sure, there it is.
dan friesen
It was an intro to an ad.
unidentified
There we go.
dan friesen
We'll get down into business on the strains situation a little bit later when Alex addresses it more, but for now, just trying to scare people, getting a lot of chills that lead him naturally into a sales pitch.
jordan holmes
He's a little cold.
dan friesen
So he's really defensive about the silver sales tactics.
jordan holmes
I can't believe why.
dan friesen
And the scrutiny that he's been getting surrounding those tactics.
And so he deploys a lot of straw men.
You already heard earlier him saying, they're saying I sell fake weed or whatever.
And now he brings out what is probably his largest straw man.
I've heard him deploy this pretty regularly.
It's very stupid.
alex jones
So let me just show TV viewers, since Mother Jones is demonizing us.
In a very deceptive formulaic piece where they show other people that the FDA has gotten mad at who have made claims and violated FDA regulations.
The FDA says they don't regulate supplements, but then they'll come after you if you say you need water to live or sunshine is good for you or you've got to have vitamin C to live.
jordan holmes
I don't think that's true, buddy.
alex jones
If you don't have oxygen in four minutes, you die.
So they say you cannot say oxygen is good.
You know what?
I have a first amendment.
I'm going to do it.
dan friesen
So Alex's only real defense he can have in terms of his very clearly unethical sales of these silver products is to create straw man arguments that the FDA is not making.
Here you see one of these regular formulations saying that the FDA won't let you say that humans need oxygen or water.
So the basic point that he wants his audience to think is that the FDA doesn't allow you to say things that are completely established and common knowledge because he's trying to make his claims appear to be established and common knowledge.
He wants his audience to take his claims about the silver products to be as legitimate as someone saying you need air to live.
The problem is that what he's saying about the FDA isn't true.
The Nutrition Labeling and Education Act of 1990 establishes that there are certain types of claims that are solidly proven and widely accepted to the point where you could make them about supplements and the FDA does not care.
The FDA has a big list of these on their website, including things like the relationship between calcium and osteoporosis or sodium and hypertension.
If you sell a calcium supplement and you promote it by saying it can help you avoid osteoporosis, the FDA considers you to be in the clear and they're not going to do anything about it.
Claims like you need water or you should breathe obviously are things the FDA does not care about people making.
This is a stupid thing.
jordan holmes
We'll see.
Now that we know that 5G cleaves to oxygen, you never know what could happen.
dan friesen
Sure.
But Alex needs his audience to think that these FDA people are so aggressive and nitpicky that even the most obvious claims aren't allowed because he needs them to think that what he did isn't an egregious example of someone making an unfounded health claim.
He also needs them not to think that he was defrauding them.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
Which he was.
jordan holmes
Never would.
dan friesen
Because that's dangerous.
jordan holmes
I can't imagine you saying that.
dan friesen
So, Alex, because he's getting a lot of heat on this front, decides to promote another product.
And maybe, maybe he doesn't do a good job.
alex jones
I want to show listeners and viewers a couple things, and we're going to break here.
I just want to show you the type of research I do before I even talk about stuff on here.
Document cam shot, please.
Basel Beach just got back in stock.
Today, 40% off, ladies and gentlemen.
Now, what does nitrous oxide do in the immune response?
Here's a major study.
You can look it up for yourself.
There's a study.
Look it up.
About what it does boosting the entire system.
There's a bunch of these studies.
dan friesen
So Alex is getting really defensive about the media, picking up on his silver gargle and toothpaste, how he's selling them as protections and kind of vaguely as cures for the coronavirus.
In an attempt to sound really researched and studied, he decides to pull out a bunch of science to demonstrate that all his products are super good for you.
And apparently he has too much vasobeats in the warehouse because he decides to start pushing that.
Beets are really high in nitric oxide, not nitrous oxide.
And this product that he's selling is very beet heavy.
jordan holmes
Are you saying it's not going to get you high?
dan friesen
No.
alex jones
Oh, damn.
dan friesen
So Alex is pulling out these studies about nitric oxide being helpful for immune response.
However, he clearly hasn't read any of these studies.
They're just printed out pieces of paper that have headlines that are to show people that, you know, they've linked nitric oxide to human immune responses.
However, none of these studies have anything to do with people taking nitric oxide having a better immune response.
They're all just about how the actual compound nitric oxide plays a role in immunity.
Using these studies to establish that you can sell a beet product to boost immunity would probably not hold up in court because they're not relevant studies to the claims being made.
Also, I have to stress, Alex has absolutely not read these studies.
One of them is from the July 2018 Journal of Clinical and Diagnostic Research with the headline, quote, Nitric oxide, its role in immunity.
This paper includes a section titled, quote, nitric oxide and immune regulation, which begins, quote, the exact function of nitric oxide in the immune regulation is unclear.
There is a role, but even this review is saying that it's not fully understood.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Considering that this sales pitch is happening in the middle of a viral outbreak, and Alex is clearly marketing his products in that context, it would probably be good to check the section about nitric oxide immunity and viruses, which does say that nitric oxide helps with virus immunity, but also that, quote, during clearance of virus, high levels of nitric oxide can produce some undesirable effects on the host, like hemorrhagic fever.
It seems like the point is that low levels of nitric oxide, that's likely to be good in the body's natural immune response, but if you have really high levels of it, you can have some pretty negative consequences.
You would know that if you just read the paper's introduction.
Nitric oxide is also implicated in the pathophysiology of various cancers, breast, larynx, cervix, head, and neck.
Tumor-promoting role of nitric oxide is dependent on the tumor type, nitric oxide concentration, and its interaction with proteins, metals, or free radicals, and the genetic makeup of the host.
Lower concentration of nitric oxide is important for immune function, while nitric oxide at higher levels are shown to be immunosuppressive, suggesting a dual role of the biomolecule.
If you have too much nitric oxide in your system, according to this study that Alex is using as a citation on air, it can lead to tumor growth and immunosuppression.
That seems reckless of him, but it becomes even more reckless when you hear this.
alex jones
One of the strongest you're going to find out there at Infowarsstore.com.
It's not just good for your heart and vascular systems.
It's good for the cells.
It's back in stock, 40% off.
This is the type of thing I'm giving my children, because you can give them a lot of it.
dan friesen
Probably not a good idea to say that you can give your kids as much nitric oxide supplement as you want, while citing a study that literally says too much nitric oxide is really bad for you.
An ungenerous reading of that behavior would be that Alex wants his audience to have tumors and be immunosuppressed.
That's the only conclusion you can come to if you actually believe that Alex has read the study he's citing.
I'm far from a scientist, but from the studies Alex has provided, it seems clear that having too much nitric oxide in your system could be very bad for you, and here he is on air saying you can take as much of it as you want, and that your kids can take a bunch.
That's incredibly irresponsible behavior, and from where I'm sitting, that indicates that we're in a situation where Alex's refusal to do any work could constitute a risk to his audience's health.
And please, understand, Alex has no fucking idea what he's talking about.
Later in the show, he's promoting this beet product by saying it's high in nitrous oxide again.
It's nitric oxide.
alex jones
Some of the natural chemical compounds that are in vasobeets breaks down the blood and creates nitrous oxide.
And it's just incredible.
unidentified
Yeah, bro.
dan friesen
And it's consistent.
alex jones
Bezobeats is concentrated, one of the strongest concentrates of beet extract out there.
Everybody knows what beats do for vascular, the heart.
I mean, it's not debated.
Even medical doctors will tell you that.
But here it is.
Nitrous oxide, it's role in immunity.
Look at all these big studies.
I've said nitrous oxide and immunity.
jordan holmes
Let's get fucked up.
dan friesen
Nitrous oxide is N2O, and it's fucking laughing gas.
Nitric oxide is NO.
They're very different things, and Alex doesn't even know his products well enough to know what's in them.
This is not a good showing for him trying to be defensive about how he sells his products.
jordan holmes
Sure, no, no, no, no.
dan friesen
I think this was a swing and a miss.
jordan holmes
I just, you just can't understand how you could take the worst thing you could do and really do worse with another product.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's kind of amazing.
dan friesen
It's impressive on a certain level.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
And with the silver, he's just lying.
With the Vezo Beats, he's borderline actively trying to kill people.
dan friesen
I don't know about that.
I don't know what level of nitric oxide those vaso beats pills have.
alex jones
Probably not.
dan friesen
I don't know the extent to which they would be dangerous, even if you take a bunch, but the mentality is irresponsible that he's putting forth.
So he keeps, you know, every now and again he'll bring up those documents that we've already talked about that are about the silver wound gel and they're trying to apply them to the gargle and the toothpaste.
jordan holmes
Put them on beats too.
dan friesen
It's just very consistent throughout this.
But Alex gets down to a little bit of talking about his DUI situation.
Sure.
DWI.
He got arrested on Monday evening into Tuesday morning.
And he seems to think that the media is controlled by the CIA and they're attacking him by people covering his DUI.
unidentified
Gotcha.
alex jones
And then I'm going to get into the giant developments, the ultramassive developments on the coronavirus front here in just a moment.
But first, look at this CNN headline.
Infowars Alex Jones accused of DWI.
jordan holmes
Ha ha!
Got him!
alex jones
Thousands of newspapers, every TV channel that you randomly check, because the globalists hate me, they use the CIA Mockingbird program.
I've had former high-level CIA operatives who ran propaganda for the State Department on Pchenik, saying, no, they're using Mockingbird against you, and Obama is still in control of it.
Everyone else is saying, I was arrested for DWI, I committed to DWI.
Even other CNN headlines say, Alex Jones gets DWI.
But this one CNN headline says Alex Jones accused of DWI.
dan friesen
This is just a case of CNN initially running with the headline Alex Jones accused of DWI, then later updating it to Alex Jones arrested on DWI charge.
Both are accurate statements.
Both are fine to run as headlines, but the latter is probably more indicative of what the story is, so I can understand why an editor might change that later.
It's fair to say that Alex was accused of DWI by the state of Texas.
It's the same thing, you know, where you presume someone's innocence until they've been to court.
Like saying Alex allegedly was driving drunk.
You can say that.
It's also fair to say that he was arrested for DWI, because he definitely was.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Mark Richards was accused of both killing that guy, as well as flying a sentient plane and being off-planet at the time.
dan friesen
Has anyone accused him of the latter?
jordan holmes
Now, he is only guilty of one of those.
alex jones
Has he...
dan friesen
Claimed the latter.
I don't know if anyone's accused him of it, because you can't say his wife has accused him of being off-planet.
She's just repeating what he said.
jordan holmes
Okay, that's fair.
dan friesen
So, this story here with CNN, this is just an instance of an editorial update that Alex is going to try and use to insinuate some kind of nefarious plot to demonize him in the media.
He'll talk about anything other than the reality, and his audience is primed to believe him.
Steve Pachanek says that this is CIA mockingbird stuff, so nothing that you see about Alex in the media is real at all.
You can just ignore it.
jordan holmes
Everything.
dan friesen
There's a bit of a segment where Alex retells his story of being wrongfully arrested for drunk driving, and it's just kind of sad.
What you see is a complete refusal in any way to accept that what he did was irresponsible, dangerous, and wrong.
And he just is blaming everybody but himself, and importantly, everybody who's writing these stories about his DWI, it's propaganda.
Oh, okay.
alex jones
It's the unified propaganda of the media.
unidentified
Yeah.
alex jones
Is that every major channel, every major newspaper is Jones had a DWI.
But CNN actually in a report, in those little slideshow reports, got it right and said, I'm accused of a DWI.
Because that's what that is.
And they keep lowering the limit.
Some states I heard have gone down to 0.6.
dan friesen
Oh, you've heard that.
So, it's not unified propaganda for media outlets to report that Alex got arrested for a DWI.
It would be bad reporting if they said that he'd been found guilty of it in court, or if they said that he'd been convicted, but to say that he got arrested or that he was charged, those are accurate statements.
He's found one early CNN headline that has been updated that says he was accused of DWI, so what he's doing is claiming that this is the only accurate headline, whereas the rest are all propaganda.
Sad.
Alex drove drunk, and instead of taking responsibility for his actions, he needs the world to know that not only was he the victim in the arrest, he's also the victim in a global sense, because the media is accurately reporting on his arrest.
This is pathetic.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he's got him.
No, he's got him right where he wants him.
dan friesen
Also, pretty much every state has a DWI limit of.08, with the exception of Utah.
Utah has a limit of.05, but it's also important to keep in mind that Utah is the state in the country with some of the most restrictive alcohol laws.
Only state-regulated liquor stores can sell beer with higher than 5% alcohol.
There's a bunch of cities in the state where you can't even buy booze at all.
jordan holmes
That's wild.
dan friesen
Using Utah as an example of why you shouldn't have been arrested for drunk driving is not a good argument.
jordan holmes
Ah, come on!
If the Mormons wouldn't take you down, who cares?
dan friesen
It's not a strong...
jordan holmes
It's not a good look.
dan friesen
No, I don't think that I'm going to let it pass.
jordan holmes
Fair enough, fair enough.
dan friesen
So Alex decides to announce at this point, He's taking the next week off.
He's getting out of studio.
unidentified
Good, good.
dan friesen
So we're looking at this stretch from Wednesday to Friday, and he'll be out of studio for the next week.
alex jones
Do you think I'm going to go and get behind the wheel of a car and have a high alcohol level?
jordan holmes
Yes.
alex jones
I can't say in my lifetime I haven't done that before, but certainly not these days.
I mean, I went again four months just last year not drinking a damn drop.
jordan holmes
Not an argument.
alex jones
And I can tell you, that's the case now.
I was already taking next week off.
I'll call on the show some, but I'm going to go exercise.
unidentified
Already.
alex jones
I'm going to go hiking.
I'm going to spend some time with the children, and I'm going to be so free of it that I'm never going to drink again.
dan friesen
I'm really conflicted about this because it's that intersection of the personal life and on-air life of Alex that I find really difficult to navigate.
I don't play this clip to mock Alex for his claims that he'll never drink again.
I'm playing this to demonstrate what Alex thinks is worthwhile spending time with on his show.
There's no standards or professionalism on this show at all.
He's supposed to be getting into the big news about the coronavirus, but it's about 40 minutes into the episode at this point, and so far it's mostly been him being defensive about his sales practices and him being defensive about his TWI.
I understand that in order for him to continue to operate as a business, he has to protect the scam from the natural consequences of the way he runs the scam, but it really feels like he's coming to the point where It feels like, especially the way he...
Seems to need to respond to these things on air and take up so much time with it.
In opposition to other times things have happened, he's really been much more deflection oriented.
This seems to be like, I must stand to these accusations in a way that's like, buddy.
You are going to turn into Lenny Bruce trying to do all your stand-up shows about how you got arrested.
It's not a good strategy.
jordan holmes
You still got to give people a good show if you want to survive the consequences of your actions.
dan friesen
Only the most devoted folk are going to put up with that kind of an unentertaining load of shit.
This show is four hours long, but Alex only hosts the first three hours.
We're now almost a third of the way through his on-air time on this 3-11 episode, and outside of a brief restatement of his dumb virus stuff, he's provided no content other than his own personal issues bleeding into his professional life.
He can't perform as an effective propagandist because his narcissistic need to protect his own self-image is getting in the way.
jordan holmes
Exactly like the band 311.
dan friesen
Exactly.
Looking at you, Peanut.
jordan holmes
Exactly like the band 311.
dan friesen
I have no idea if Peanut is...
I have no idea about anything about him.
It's just the only name I can think...
Nick Hexum.
I know two people in 311.
Alex would be wise to take this week off, but if he thinks that the stuff with his silver sale is just going to blow over in that time, he might be in for a bit of a surprise.
I don't know if that's going to work out.
So Alex decides he's going to buckle down now.
Sure.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
He's going to get to the virus news.
alex jones
We're about to hit the latest on the coronavirus.
The coronavirus and the response to it and the coordinated globalist hysteria is huge to bring down the economy, to bring down President Trump.
They're now announcing other more deadly strains of it.
After they beta test how much they can scare the public that I believe they've probably already released.
And so you should get ready.
I'm going to get into this news here in a moment, but first, we have a whole line of products that are known and documented through ancient custom and research and studies to be really good for your body and boost your immune system.
And we have the DNA Force Plus now back in stock.
dan friesen
Looks like the infomercial is not quite done yet.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no.
dan friesen
Love the fake out.
The old eyebrow fake.
jordan holmes
We got it.
We got to get to the coronavirus.
We're going to get to all that, but...
I just got to tell you about these amazing products that are back in stock.
dan friesen
They're super great.
They're just amazing.
So, Alex, it talks more here about that.
I think that this just, it's going to be almost exactly the same thing as a clip I have already played.
But I think it's important to stress that I believe that there is an awareness that Alex knows.
That the claims in those documents that he has are just about the wound gel.
alex jones
And then, of course, we also have the super silver toothpaste with the nano patented silver.
And I'm not going to sit here and go into a long discussion about the patented nano silver, but it has been approved over the counter in the super silver wound gel that is for topical.
This is the strongest silver you're going to find over the counter.
dan friesen
So I believe that there is an awareness of what the actual thing that he's been blurring.
jordan holmes
He specifically said this has been approved in the wound gel.
Specifically, it's been approved in the wound gel only.
dan friesen
And I think that this takes away a little bit of the plausible deniability about him being confused or not knowing what these things are.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, I'm sure you could obfuscate it enough to...
Pass through the shittiness of the legal system, but...
dan friesen
Possibly.
jordan holmes
This is definitely...
He knows what he's doing.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, we're not a court.
I'm just saying what I can see from the indications of his words.
jordan holmes
Yeah, if we had a judge who was, I don't know, obsessed with Alex Jones and had studied him for the past three years, then I don't think Alex is getting away with this one.
dan friesen
You'd have some questions.
jordan holmes
Yeah!
dan friesen
Mr. Jones, I need a sidebar.
Tell Barnes to go home.
jordan holmes
Good work, Bards.
dan friesen
So Alex gets to talk in here about a surprise sale, and I think Alex is back to needing money.
alex jones
So get all your nano-silver products, get your X2, get your X3, get your DNA Force Plus, get your nano-silver toothpaste, your super little toothpaste that has that, and the tea tree, and the iodine.
I've just decided during this crisis to go ahead and just do this for the next week.
I'm going to call the crew right now.
I'm going to say free shipping store-wide is implemented again right now.
Stay with us.
dan friesen
I suspect that Alex is facing some new legal fees.
jordan holmes
I plan for some fines in my near future.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I would like to have some stores ready for that shit.
dan friesen
I have a reasonable suspicion that that might be the case.
jordan holmes
CPAs, man.
They're the ones who did it.
dan friesen
Damn CPAs, man.
jordan holmes
Damn CPAs.
dan friesen
So, during the second hour of the show, Alex leaves.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Good.
Good.
dan friesen
He just leaves to, quote, take care of the assaults that he's under.
He has Owen Schroer fill in with this guest named Gary Haven, who Alex says is a pilot and a billionaire, and he supposedly just met with Governor Abbott.
I have no idea who Gary Haven is, but he's on Infowars, so I do not trust him at face value.
Maybe he met with Governor Abbott, maybe he didn't.
I have no idea.
Anyway, Alex leaves because he's dealing with things he doesn't want the audience to know about.
In the aftermath of his arrest, Alex's ex-wife filed a motion to be granted custody of their children.
Alex to get drug and alcohol testing.
That news broke on Wednesday, so I'm pretty certain that this is what Alex was trying to address off-air while he was just decided to leave his show to take care of the assault.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
unidentified
Yeah.
Gotcha.
dan friesen
Again, his personal troubles are bleeding heavily into his professional life in such a way that he's unable to do his job.
Owen hosts, then Mike Adams takes over for the rest of the show.
Alex did nothing on this episode.
Literally nothing.
Outside of pretending he's a victim in his DWI and tons of extended infomercials.
This show is pathetic.
jordan holmes
I think I'm going to steal that and use that as my new announcement.
dan friesen
I have to take care of assaults.
jordan holmes
I'm going to the bathroom.
I've got to take care of assaults right now.
dan friesen
I've got to take care of some crises that have been brought upon me by the globalists.
jordan holmes
The globalists are calling, buddy.
dan friesen
I've got to drop them up.
That's a good way to leave a party.
You don't want to be there anymore.
jordan holmes
I gotta take care of some assaults, guys.
dan friesen
I'm under heavy assault by the globalists.
Gotta take care of it.
Talk to you guys later.
By that I mean you're out of booze.
I gotta leave.
So we get to the 12th already and Alex decides this is one of my favorite fucking announcements to start a show that I've ever heard.
This is so good.
alex jones
Now I was locked and loaded and I'm not complaining.
Hours of focus with just totally ready to come on air and lay out their entire master plan.
It's crystallized for me last night and this morning.
I'm sure of it.
I've done massive research.
And then the president starts getting ready to speak again.
And I say, well, let me just start the show with that.
And then, of course, the computer freezes up.
And that's just the way it works.
My train of thought gets lost.
But I'm rebuilding it back up.
I've got all the lines converging and then the data and the way I want to lay it out.
But I'm going to go to rebroadcast for a while to cool down.
It's not the crew's fault.
It's not anybody's fault.
So I can get laser-focused again and come back in here and get on the racing blocks before I lay all this out.
So I'm going to do the best job I can to just calm down.
dan friesen
So what happened is Alex did hours and hours of research, figured everything out.
He's got the globalist master plan that he's going to lay out for you, but then he started watching Trump give a speech.
There was a tech glitch, and he lost everything in his mind.
jordan holmes
Could someone please restart my computer?
Please, I gotta go to rebroadcast!
dan friesen
I don't know what is funnier.
jordan holmes
Why are we still using Windows 95?
dan friesen
There's two possibilities, really, and that is that Alex is just sort of bluffing and trying to be like, I understand everything, but I'm not ready to lay it out because I don't really understand everything.
jordan holmes
Nothing.
dan friesen
That's kind of funny, that bluff, but it's also funnier to imagine that he did.
Prepare and got everything in order and then just got so mad because of a tech glitch that he's like, I don't remember what the globalists were gonna do.
jordan holmes
It's like when you're in fucking high school and you've got your term paper finished and you go, oh shit, I forgot to save it.
dan friesen
Yeah, but Alex is that guy, but he has no teacher.
It's just the audience, kind of.
And they'll let him do anything.
jordan holmes
With no accountability whatsoever.
dan friesen
He could just say that the globalists ate his homework every single time, and they're like, ah, damn globalists.
jordan holmes
Teacher, I didn't do my book report.
Don't care.
Don't exist.
Bye!
dan friesen
So Alex does get back on track, and he has a shocking, shocking announcement to make.
alex jones
Very good chance that Tom Hanks is a total globalist, hates the president.
He would never be president.
He's just saying he's sick with it as part of a false positive PR deal to overshadow the president's speech last night.
dan friesen
Alex is a Tom Hanks truther.
jordan holmes
Yep, yep.
Tom Hanks is a false flag.
dan friesen
Believes that Tom Hanks and his wife are faking testing positive for coronavirus in order to take attention away from Trump's speech.
jordan holmes
The globalist made bachelor party with this in mind, Dan.
This was the plan from the very beginning.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
There's the donkey show and now we're here.
dan friesen
This is an interesting intersection of QAnon and Alex.
They both hate Tom Hanks.
unidentified
It's very weird.
jordan holmes
Now that I've seen Cloud Atlas with Tom Hanks in it, I think everything makes a lot more sense.
dan friesen
Sure.
So Alex, I initially thought that that was kind of a throwaway thing and he's just mad at Tom Hanks and he's like, ah, I'm faking it.
He's going to bring it up again later.
But Alex gets down to, you know, this is going to kill almost everybody.
Everybody, yeah.
Simultaneously, as personal issues bleed into his coverage and his inability to perform his job, he started on a pretty bad place in terms of...
Panic and escalating things.
jordan holmes
Not good.
dan friesen
But it was Mike Adams who said that it's over for humanity.
There will only be lone survivors.
That wasn't Alex.
Alex is now himself getting into a bit more fatalistic of a view.
alex jones
I just need to get laser focused and just go into the main point I'm going to make when we come back.
And that's where it came from, who's behind it, what the plan is, and the really bad news.
And I'm going to give you the bad news when we come back.
I figured it out.
And we can walk through all the background and the viruses and the strains and who's behind it.
But this is going to make AIDS and HIV down the road look like a very mild problem.
And they have just introduced to you their depopulation program.
And so most of you won't even get sick or die from this.
But in the next decade, we don't stop them.
Most of you will die from this.
So there's a little news flash that I thought I would just go ahead and give you next year's news today, next decade's news today.
We're going to come right back.
Oh, just two big announcements here.
Living Defense that takes care of those nasty unwanted visitors that's so popular that it has the 100% reviews that sold out for four and a half, five months.
It's back in stock.
dan friesen
This behavior is really coming back in full force.
Most of you are going to die of this.
Also, everything's back in stock.
jordan holmes
Listen, you've got maybe five, six years left.
Don't worry about it.
We got some good shit back in stock.
Bye, bye, bye.
dan friesen
It's not like this behavior necessarily went away or anything, but it is really ubiquitous in this period.
jordan holmes
Look, I know you think that just because my personal life is clearly falling down around me that maybe I'm exaggerating what is happening in the world right now.
Maybe everybody's going to die in the world.
Probably just because I'm projecting a little bit that maybe I'm going to die myself.
We're all gonna die!
Everybody needs to run!
Anyways, we got the DNA force back in stock.
dan friesen
This is an interesting theory that you're putting forth.
See how you feel by the end of this.
So earlier, Alex was saying that he sat down, he crystallized everything, he got the globalist master plan in his mind, and then he got mad and forgot it all.
jordan holmes
For the 20th year running, we've got the globalist master plan in mind, ready to share it.
dan friesen
You may think, how does Alex know these things that the globalists are going to do and all this?
How does he predict things ahead of time?
jordan holmes
I do think that.
dan friesen
Well, thankfully, Alex decided to take a little of his time to explain it.
alex jones
Now, people ask how I was able to do that.
And their only answer is he must be a government agent if somebody told him this.
The government is just a large conglomerate of individuals, agencies, and groups, some good, some bad.
I did not get that information from any person.
I was younger.
My brain was better.
I didn't have much knowledge at that point, but I saw thousands of integrated points.
dan friesen
I should be clear.
He's talking about predicting 9-11.
That's the framework that he's talking about.
jordan holmes
That's where we're at.
dan friesen
I thought he made it more explicit at the beginning.
jordan holmes
Of course he was talking about 9-11.
alex jones
And pre-programming, before the fact, and with that much data, it's called a police hunch.
People ask, well, how's that detective so good?
How does he know how to, even though the serial killer only kills every few months?
Track them and come up with mathematical equations and maps and then finally be there in the right zone and catch them trying to kidnap a woman on the very night.
There's been lots of cases of that.
And you'll talk to those famous detectives and they'll just finally just say, I don't know how I do it.
And that's why detectives will go out.
jordan holmes
I don't take pride in my work.
alex jones
The FBI does it too and they'll get psychics that aren't the con artist ones that have 1-800 numbers.
They'll tell you your fortune, but people that have been known, and they'll tell the police, I don't know how I know all this.
jordan holmes
I just know.
alex jones
And it's the same thing.
You've got all this real data, and then your conscious brain is a hundred times maybe more, less powerful.
jordan holmes
Right.
alex jones
So the big brain, the whole brain knows, because it's got all the data points, but your conscious mind is a narrow focal point of that.
And it's unable to understand why it knows it.
It just knows it.
dan friesen
So right off the bat, Alex predicted 9-11 because he listened to Bill Cooper's Hour of the Time and just stole the prediction wholesale from him.
That's all he did there.
It has nothing to do with his subconscious mind or him having a constellation of data points or whatever.
He just ripped off another dude.
As for how Bill predicted it, I mean, Bin Laden had attacked the World Trade Center previously and wasn't making a secret that he wanted to do it again.
Whatever.
jordan holmes
He kind of had a vendetta.
dan friesen
Yeah.
While it is true that some police departments consult psychics on a very limited basis with some cases and some mixed results, what Alex is describing is not the real-world version of this sort of thing.
He's describing TV shows and movies.
unidentified
Yes!
dan friesen
He lives in a fantasy world.
jordan holmes
Yeah, if you listen to that and you don't clearly hear a man that knows he's full of shit, you are probably a man that knows you're full of shit.
dan friesen
So Alex is describing that as like all these data points and whatever.
He can put it all together.
And he describes sort of like he almost enters a state where he can make predictions and see things.
jordan holmes
He goes into Mentat mode.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
That's another Dune reference.
dan friesen
Oh, I apologize.
jordan holmes
I didn't get it.
dan friesen
So he describes that.
And then he's like, but.
With the coronavirus, it's not that.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
Well, good.
dan friesen
So all of this.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Preamble to nothing.
dan friesen
This entire setup is like, I have psychic powers and I can see things.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Has nothing to do with what I'm talking about right now.
jordan holmes
Not helpful in this circumstance.
unidentified
Nope.
jordan holmes
Not helpful.
alex jones
I don't work with the CIA.
I'm my own independent person, but obviously there's a lot of people that have been in the CIA and other things that know me and then contact me.
And it's like, well, how does you say they're probably going to attack a...
Music venue or rock concert at, say, 10 o 'clock at night.
I said that at, like, 5.50 on the Sunday show, and the FBI paid attention, and I said the same way I called 9-11.
They went, okay, yeah, we don't think you're involved, but, man, we want to know.
Do you want to come work for us?
I mean, how the hell do you do this?
jordan holmes
Really?
alex jones
I don't know.
milo yiannopolis
Really?
alex jones
I just get in this place where I just start going off the data, and I just start talking about things, and then I'll just say, this is it, this is it.
That's that ether level that I don't know how I do it, okay?
jordan holmes
I do.
alex jones
This thing with the virus is not that.
I'm getting chills right now.
This is all the evidence.
So this isn't a hunch.
jordan holmes
Oh boy.
alex jones
This is absolutely documented and proven and enrages me that it's so obvious and that we can't stop these people.
dan friesen
So I'm giving this a little bit of short shrift as we're getting into this episode where he's talking about it's all proven and all this stuff.
Because a lot of it's stuff we've already talked about before and because a little bit later in this episode we will see Alex really formulate and compress down into a digestible form the important pieces of the narrative.
jordan holmes
Okay, he's got the standard model laid out for us.
dan friesen
Gotcha.
We were just on an episode that comes out today of Cognitive Dissonance.
jordan holmes
Huge thanks.
dan friesen
Thank you so much, those gents, Tom and Cecil, for having us on.
jordan holmes
It was a great time.
dan friesen
But on that episode, we discussed Alex's coronavirus narratives and what his theories are.
And my response was along the lines of, I don't know.
He's all over the place.
jordan holmes
Say anything that's probably something he said.
dan friesen
Sure.
And I believe that on this episode, what we look at is a really solidification of the narrative.
Ignoring and not worrying about some of the external things and the sort of distractions, just getting it down to what's important.
Good.
unidentified
So I'm saving a bit of the discussion of that for that, because all of it's going to come up.
dan friesen
So Alex gets down to business, talking about...
Sure.
Sure.
jordan holmes
Man, you've got to be really reaching for a positive Trump win in this day and age.
dan friesen
But Alex says something in this clip that I think is really important, and I think it demonstrates certain other awareness that he has about what he does for a living.
alex jones
And if we fail this test, we're going to be ruled by the threat of unending invisible bio weapons that the globalists are going to be releasing to take full control of society.
And we've known that's their mode of control for a long time, and the globalists have bragged that all these different publications are going to use the threat of mass pathogens and death to control.
We know all that.
It's obvious.
But if we don't get that narrative out on a mass scale, we're screwed.
And I'll tell you, the only person I see is a world leader.
That is not going along with this and that has fought it and who has saw through it is Trump.
And believe me, Trump knows exactly what's going on.
And he's fighting the deep state on one side and the chi-coms that are linked up with it on the other side.
And they released this on purpose to clamp down on their own people, to end the Taiwan embarrassment, and then to try to topple our economy.
That's all admitted.
The Democrats brag about that.
That in and of itself is so huge.
But then you look at the virus.
Pretty simple statement, huh?
Why aren't we talking about where this thing came from when it's known to be man-made?
jordan holmes
Whoa.
dan friesen
So I think there's something really teachable inside that clip.
Like, a lot of it is meaningless nonsense, but I think he showed a little bit too much of his cards there when he says, if we don't get the narrative out on a mass scale, we're screwed.
Part of what's revealing about that is Alex sees what he does as putting out narratives.
Just as I see what he does.
I see it exactly the same way.
He's not putting out reality.
He's telling a story.
And he needs that story to spread in order for people to fall into his marketing scheme.
At least on a regular level, that's the case.
He knows that.
He knows that he's pushing a narrative.
It's just talking points.
But when Alex says something like, if we don't get at this narrative, we're screwed, it's important to consider what he's actually saying.
The narrative that he needs to get out is the idea that the globalists are behind this release of a man-made bioweapon which was designed to crash the U.S. economy and get Trump out of office.
That's the narrative that he needs to spread, and it's kind of obvious why.
What Alex is really saying here is that reality is going to look damning in hindsight, so they better do some preemptive damage control and have a narrative in place that explains away all of the things that Trump didn't do, all of the failures in response.
That is...
That's all he's saying.
If we don't get this narrative out, reality's gonna look really fucking bad, guys.
And our entire philosophy of the government not doing anything, and maybe the federal government not existing, that is going to look like...
jordan holmes
Really stupid.
dan friesen
There's going to almost be an exact example of why that's a bad way to organize society.
jordan holmes
Yep, yep.
And you can tell that he's...
I don't hear his heart in that.
He knows...
There's no way that you can straight-facedly say that with your whole heart.
Like, Trump is doing a good job.
Like, try it.
Try it.
dan friesen
Just try it.
It's gross.
Him saying that Trump is the only world leader who's doing a great job, what about Busa Boo Boo?
jordan holmes
Yeah, come on!
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So, I don't know.
It's weird.
Anyway, Alex has a thing he has said in the past, but he's saying a bit more now, and that is that this virus is a chimera.
Sure.
jordan holmes
He just likes chimeras.
dan friesen
It's a good word.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So he talks about that in this next clip.
It's secretly not a virus.
It's a ton of viruses.
alex jones
This virus is a chimera because it mutates into different chimeras.
And there's been a bunch of different versions of it released.
And the globalists are testing right now our response to see if they can lock us down.
And then if we lock down properly, then they're going to release the real bio version that'll then start wiping out even more.
So this is a test for the global depopulation operation.
It's 2020.
And they're gearing up to exterminate you and your family.
It came.
dan friesen
Ooh, dramatic.
jordan holmes
Oh, get the fuck out of here.
dan friesen
So Alex is just talking shit when he says that the virus is a bunch of different viruses and a chimera.
jordan holmes
It's a real virus is virus, you know?
dan friesen
This gets back to what he was talking about earlier when he got chills talking about the strains.
What he's lying about is some preliminary studies out of China.
According to the South China Morning Post, researchers were finding that there were very statistically relevant drops in some of the early symptoms of the virus in patients who tested positive post-January 23rd as opposed to those who tested positive previously.
One of the theories that's been put forth by the researchers is that early on, the virus had two strains, one being more aggressive than the other, with symptoms showing up pretty noticeably.
The quarantine that was placed on areas of China created a very strong selective pressure against the spread of the more aggressive version since it would have been noticed much more easily.
If their numbers are correct, this makes some sense, given that their samples reflect a drop from the aggressive strain being 96% of the samples collected prior to January 23rd, and only 60% of the samples collected after.
It should be pointed out, though, that there are dissenting opinions about this research, and it's not even accepted as established fact that there are two strains of the virus.
Even if the proposed two-strains hypothesis is correct, according to an op-ed in CNN written by an assistant professor in the Department of Epidemiology and Microbial Diseases at Yale School of Public Health, quote, the two proposed S and L coronavirus strains only differ by two mutations and are 99.993% identical.
It's extremely likely that any vaccine designed for one coronavirus will be protective against the other.
jordan holmes
I hear that guy's expertise, and it does seem comforting, but I would like to know what somebody and their gut feel about it.
dan friesen
Well, we already heard that.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
He's a guy in Texas yelling.
jordan holmes
Okay, gotcha.
Well, I'm going to listen to the gut.
dan friesen
Sure.
Viruses mutate because they make mistakes in replication when they're copying their RNA.
These mutations can have basically no effect on their characteristics, or they can have effects that are either advantageous or disadvantageous to the virus.
However, some things that would appear advantageous to a virus might actually be detrimental to it.
For instance, a mutation that makes a virus more aggressive can have the effect of debilitating the host, and thus it makes them less likely to spread the virus to others, which would be disadvantageous from the virus's perspective.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Just like if you have laser eyes, sure, that's cool, but you can never look at the people you love without wearing glasses.
dan friesen
It's very difficult.
I read a white paper about that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
It had a lot of cartoony drawings in it, but it was pretty good.
jordan holmes
It's a pretty good white paper.
dan friesen
There's a complicated...
Interestingly, this very closely mirrors a conspiracy theory that was promoted by Russian scientists after the 2003 SARS outbreak.
They claim that SARS is actually a combination of measles and mumps, which it definitely was not.
This sort of theory is pretty common in propaganda circles whenever there's an outbreak.
It's a very human impulse when you are faced with uncertainty.
There's a need to craft a narrative and a concrete villain out of the situation where...
It might just be human failings along the way.
jordan holmes
And we fall into that same issue.
It's with Avengers movies.
We already have measles.
That's not scary enough.
We need measles as new...
dan friesen
You need the bad guy to be escalated.
jordan holmes
It has to escalate it every single time.
dan friesen
Also, when Alex says at the end there, it came out of Wuhan, that's a contradiction of his established conspiracy about this.
It didn't come out of Wuhan.
According to Alex, it came out of UNC Chapel Hill and Obama sold it to the Chinese government.
He was just trying to say something he thought sounded deep and profound and contemplative, and he just whiffed.
jordan holmes
It did have a tagline kind of feel to it, though.
It came from Wuhan.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
That's not bad.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
And it runs with Train to Busan, so you got a zombie movie on top of it already.
dan friesen
If it's like a line on the back of one of the sci-fi novels he read and bases his worldview on, awesome.
But it's contradictory to his entire position.
Anyway, Alex gets back to rambling about how he's the victim of driving drugs.
Sure, sure.
And the media...
jordan holmes
Nobody ever thinks of him when they think about the victims of his crimes.
dan friesen
Sure.
He has a concrete example, though, of how the CIA Mockingbird operation is out to get him.
unidentified
All right.
alex jones
Later next hour, I'll show you a photo that was sent to me by one of my friends.
His dad was on a cruise ship off the coast of South Africa.
And in the little daily newspaper...
dan friesen
Get off that ship.
alex jones
...every member of the...
If you're visiting folks, the tourists, the cruisers, their shipmates, they have an article about Alex Jones arrested for DWI.
There it is.
Why would that be on a cruise ship out of South Africa?
Well, Dr. Pachenex talked about this.
It is a State Department operation since the end of World War II, where certain communications we put out through a system that is then published via Operation Mockingbird, is what it's called, in every newspaper in the world that's affiliated with it and every broadcast system.
That's why every TV station, every radio station, every network, every newspaper that is part of these affiliate systems since the 40s just takes what is given to them and put out.
Of course, I blew under the legal limit.
But now they have a thing where they test you at the jail, so I had to be taken to jail.
It's ridiculous.
Two beers would do that to you.
dan friesen
Alex is so desperate to find another narrative here other than I got a DWI.
And I guess the best he can come up with is people reporting on my DWI is proof the CIA is trying to get me.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's a little lame and weak, but whatever he needs to do to not face reality is what he's going to do.
jordan holmes
That's bad.
dan friesen
So Alex flashes up on camera this picture that someone sent him, and it's just a shot of like a printed out newsletter kind of thing.
It doesn't say the name of the paper, so that introduced a little bit of difficulty in figuring out exactly who he was accusing of being Mockingbird CIA shills here.
But the picture did give me one clue.
In the upper right-hand corner of the page, it said KVH Media, who are clearly the producers of this newsletter.
I found KVH's filing with the Security Exchange Commission, and according to the description of the business, they are, quote, a leading provider of commercially licensed entertainment, including news, sports, music, and movies, to commercial and leisure customers in the maritime hotel and retail markets.
This is a company that provides broadband for cruise ships and resorts, and also news bulletins.
One thing that confuses me, though, is that I'm not sure that they send physical newspapers to cruise ships.
That seems almost prohibitively expensive and difficult, especially considering they say they primarily offer a quote, news-from-home digital newspaper service that includes more than 100 daily newspapers and more than 20 languages that at the end of 2015 was delivered to more than 8,500 commercial ships, hotels, and cruise ships.
The digital content can be printed on board or viewed on a tablet, smartphone, or laptop.
jordan holmes
I remember playing Paperboy on Game Boy.
You used to deliver papers to cruise ships all the time in that game.
dan friesen
That was the last level.
That was very difficult.
jordan holmes
You'd have to jump dogs and then throw papers into the ocean.
dan friesen
That was like the boss.
So I took another look at that picture Alex has and I noticed something peculiar.
The blurb about Alex is just an AP article syndicated through this KVH portal.
The article right after it is, quote, Coachella Festival postponed, also syndicated from the Associated Press.
There's another article about Harvey Weinstein's sentencing, which appears to be syndicated from the AFP.
What's going on here...
jordan holmes
It's a news aggregator.
dan friesen
Yes.
This is a publication called Newslink, and it's just an aggregation of news from large news wires around the world.
Newslink has a ton of options, and then what they have...
How it works, basically, is that they have...
Approximately, I think there's like a hundred different options of pre-packaged newsletters that are just aggregations of, like if you want a...
jordan holmes
What kind of focus do you want?
Are you a cricket sports?
We'll give you a cricket only newsletter.
dan friesen
Or even if you are a...
One of the examples that they used, this is why it's the one I'm using, is like if you have a crew or like a bunch of people who are from the Philippines who are on this cruise ship, they will have news that's centric to the Filipino audience.
jordan holmes
That's smart.
dan friesen
Right.
Because they have a ton of these options.
But also, people on board the cruise ship can customize them.
So you can make your own newsletter that tailors itself to the audience and people that you have on the boat.
And I don't know what's going on here exactly.
jordan holmes
Is there anything a cruise can't turn into a buffet, Dan?
Is there anything?
dan friesen
It's a la carte.
So I don't know if this is necessarily a CIA mockingbird operation.
I think that there's just an associated press story about Alex getting a DWI that the crew of this specific cruise ship decided to include in their newsletter.
Or it was part of one of the packaged newsletters.
I'm not entirely sure.
If Alex wants to make this a nefarious conspiracy, the only bad guy, I guess, is KVH Media, if he wants to say that.
Or the captain of this ship, or whoever's in charge of the newsletter on that ship.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
dan friesen
This is a weak conspiracy.
jordan holmes
I guess the only thing he's got is that the AP is run by the CIA.
That's really his only argument there, right?
dan friesen
Right.
I mean, I guess if he wants to take that swing, go for it.
jordan holmes
Go for it.
dan friesen
I'm fine with that.
Whatever.
So, Alex, but here's the problem.
If the AP is run by the CIA, he should just say that.
Instead, he's using this bulletin on a South African cruise ship as his example.
jordan holmes
What could be more smoking gun proof?
dan friesen
Right.
There's too many steps removed for the accusation to be that it's the Associated Press that's evil.
It has to be something about the syndication of this news and the steps that you have to go through are either the captain or KVH media.
So choose whoever you want to slander, Alex.
unidentified
Ah!
jordan holmes
Question.
Was the captain Tom Hanks?
dan friesen
I don't know.
His name was Phillips.
So Alex gets back to being defensive about selling his silver in terms of the virus.
alex jones
It's about how I'm being targeted and why I'm being targeted.
Here's another example.
I've talked about on air the fact that hospitals have nano-silver and colloidal silver.
And you go to CVS now and they've got a whole section of silver.
Everybody knows silver goes after viruses and goes after bacteria.
And then we sell different products by American Nanotech that has gone out and has their stuff sold over the counter that we then private label.
And then the media thinks everybody's ignorant and goes, oh, Jones claims he can cure the coronavirus.
No, I never said that.
I never said if you had the virus replicating in you that this would fix it.
I said, I personally gargle with it.
It knocks it out on contact, and that's a good front line of defense, and everyone knows that.
dan friesen
Okay, well, here's a little clip of Alex selling his silver in ways that are probably not good.
alex jones
That we sold out of the 16-ounce immune gargle with the nano-silver that's documented to take out the coronavirus family of SARS.
No, if I was going to Taiwan, I'd be guzzling.
The nano-patented silver we've got that's been proven to be able to kill SARS.
And, you know, brush your teeth with your patented nanotech-approved biosilver.
Other studies I've got from the Pentagon that it knocks out the SARS coronavirus family.
We've got that, too.
And it's got the head of Homeland Security in here talking about how this patented nanosilver, Department of the Army Headquarters, United States Special Operations Command.
Found with Andrew C. Von Eckenbach, M.D., Commissioner of Food and Drugs, that it was taking out the SARS virus, which is the coronavirus family.
jordan holmes
There's that one, too.
alex jones
That's just the nanotech silver that's in our super silver whitening toothpaste that's so good for your body.
I hardly ever get sick.
Started getting sick last week.
Drank a bunch of immune gargle.
Gone.
Dealt with.
dan friesen
So I think that what you have is, I guess Alex's main defense is like, What does knockout mean?
jordan holmes
I only said it would take out the virus.
I didn't say that it would take it out of your body.
I just said it would take it out on a nice little date to your insides.
dan friesen
I think that you could make a pretty compelling case that the way that was intended to be heard by the audience is...
I mean, because you can't really knock something out if it's not there.
jordan holmes
Right.
I mean, Ethan Hawke took her out on a date in Before Midnight.
He took her out, you know?
He didn't kill her.
She was there!
dan friesen
But she was present.
jordan holmes
He didn't kill her.
dan friesen
That's true.
See?
I mean, spoiler alert.
There was some emotional troubles.
jordan holmes
That's true.
That's true.
dan friesen
So I don't think that this is a compelling argument that he's making here.
And he tries to claim, like, I've been selling this silver exactly the same way before the outbreak.
Which I know is not true.
jordan holmes
That's a big swing.
dan friesen
This is really, really lame.
alex jones
But they're like, oh no!
He just came fly by night.
Really, before this whole thing popped up, I showed you this.
And we're going to go to Mike Adams.
Before this ever popped up, we got our lawyers on it right now sending out season assist letters to the New York Post and all the rest of them.
They're misrepresenting what I've said.
This is Dr. Keith Moeller, American Biotech Labs.
And then we've got their letters here from 13 years ago, Texas A&M University Systems Health Science Center, U.S. Department of Homeland Security, and what they found with their nanosilver taking out the SARS family, the corona family.
I don't know if that's the current one, but that's kind of, it's asking like, as pesticides kill cockroaches.
dan friesen
So it is fair for Alex to say that he was, like, selling this immune gargle and the toothpaste prior.
That's true.
He was.
He was selling it, but he wasn't selling it the same way.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
So he says in that clip that he brought out these studies and these letters that he had prior to the...
And that's not true.
jordan holmes
That's bullshit.
No, you had a supercut of him selling it irresponsibly.
I assume that you have a full supercut of him not doing that, right?
dan friesen
I don't know what that would look like, but here it is.
So, the first time Alex brought up these studies about the effectiveness of the nanosilver vis-a-vis the SARS family, that was on January 31st, 2020.
I'm Dan, this is 2020.
He even says on that episode that he had just been cleared to discuss this stuff.
Presumably cleared by his silver supplier.
jordan holmes
No, he did not!
dan friesen
Yes.
American Biotech Labs.
And that makes some sense.
You know how every time Alex pulls out this piece of evidence, he begins with the name Dr. Keith Muller, as you heard in that clip right there.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
That's because the top document in his stack, my silver sales stack, is an email from Dr. Keith Muller, who is the CEO of American Biotech Labs.
The email reads, quote, The report is the coronavirus is like the SARS virus and Homeland Security put out the data that our product could kill that one.
See the above letter from the Director of Homeland Security to the Secretary.
Dr. Carlton is a brilliant man who came up with the mobile hospital system.
We only received a copy of it because our testimony before Congress on malaria and it was included as an addendum to that testimony.
We never received a good copy, but we did get a copy and it's worth the reading on the claims they make about our product.
This should be pointed out is not an email addressed to Alex.
It's addressed to someone named Ken and another person named Kimball.
Kimball is shown in the email to be Kimball Mueller, who is listed as the Eastern U.S. sales rep for Silver Biotics.
Their silver line.
I'm not sure who Ken is, but I would assume that it's someone else who works.
with American Biotech Labs and the Silver Biotics.
That email is about the silver wound gel, as you can tell from the attached letter that that email refers to.
This is not the same as saying that the Homeland Security found that the gargle and the toothpaste has any efficacy against SARS-like viruses, regardless of whether or not it has the same silver in it.
This information cannot be used to justify those sorts of claims And if Alex tries to use this in court, he's going to lose that case.
Those imaginary cease and desist letters that he's going to send out aren't going to do shit.
This is Alex threatening to sue the Associated Press all over again.
jordan holmes
He's got him where he wants him, Dan.
dan friesen
Also, you may notice that the email from Dr. Mueller starts, quote, the report is that the coronavirus is like the SARS virus, which should tell you that this information was created after the outbreak began.
You can clearly see a date of January 24th, 2020 on the email, which tracks with the timeline of Alex receiving this from someone a few days later and then him bringing it on air on January 31st.
It's important for Alex to pretend that his sales tactics predate the outbreak, because if he's opportunistically selling the silver in response to an outbreak, that makes him look like what he is, a con man.
Unfortunately, I listen to his show, and I know for a fact that he began in response to the outbreak behaving this way.
And Alex's own documents prove this.
That date on the email is pretty fucking damning.
This email didn't exist prior to January 24th, and it's how Alex got the documents that he's quote-unquote cleared to bring to the air.
jordan holmes
Time travel.
That's all I got.
That's all I've got for this.
That's his defense in court.
That's what I would advise him to do.
dan friesen
I would say that's a better argument than what he always does.
jordan holmes
That's what I'm saying.
dan friesen
Because he's starting to get defensive again, and he brings out his straw man friends.
jordan holmes
He was off-planet.
alex jones
Department of the Army Headquarters of the United States Special Operations Command and their findings.
That's a sitcom right there.
13 years ago.
So, you know, the FDA says you're not supposed to say you need oxygen to live.
By First Amendment, I'm going to say it.
Or literally, they say you may not say that you need water to live.
dan friesen
So there you go.
These are these standard straw mans that he brings out whenever he's, you know, in a position where he looks really bad and doesn't have an argument.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
So Mike Adams comes on, the Health Ranger, our good buddy.
Not our good buddy?
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
He comes on, and what he does immediately out of the gate is defend Alex about the criticisms that he's getting for the silver sales.
jordan holmes
These fucking guys, man.
dan friesen
Which should tell you, he is no health ranger.
mike adams
Your comments on silver and copper, I just want to mention new research out there that talks about how long the coronavirus survives on surfaces.
dan friesen
Real quick, Alex was not talking about copper.
He was only talking about silver.
Mike is just bringing silver and copper together.
jordan holmes
Let's bring it all in there.
All precious metals.
mike adams
Copper surfaces, it's killed in hours, whereas the virus survives for many days, up to nine days on other surfaces, such as cardboard or plastic or others.
And silver is known to kill...
and kill bacteria even more aggressively than copper.
So my estimation as an elemental scientist, I run a science, we deal with elements all the time, we run microbiology as well, that silver would probably kill this virus on surfaces more quickly than copper.
So, anyone saying that silver doesn't work against the coronavirus is out of their minds or just illiterate.
dan friesen
And also, I'm an alchemist.
jordan holmes
My friend, Jack Parsons was an elemental scientist, and you, sir, are no Jack Parsons!
dan friesen
So, Mike is referring to a recent, not yet peer-reviewed study that looked at how long coronavirus could survive in various conditions, including on various surfaces.
Here's where the first problem with Mike's comments pop up.
Silver was not one of the surfaces they tested, so this study does not really help in there.
jordan holmes
That doesn't help.
dan friesen
In their testing, they found that the virus is detectable for four hours or so on copper, as opposed to 24 hours on cardboard and 72 hours on plastic and stainless steel.
This is useful information to have for people, and if the results stand up to peer review, it'll be a good thing to know about the virus.
However, the way Mike is using this information is completely fucked up.
He's coming on the show right after Alex gets super defensive about how he's being criticized for selling his ingestible silver shit.
To make Alex feel better about the people rightly criticizing him, Mike pulls out this study saying that silver kills viruses more aggressively than copper.
Copper is in the study.
Mike is just bringing silver into it for no reason.
Here's where the major problem is.
The study Mike is citing is about viruses on surfaces, not inside the body.
If Alex were selling silver countertops, then maybe this would be relevant.
But as it stands now, there's literally no connection between the observed lifespan of a virus on copper and the assumed effect eating silver will do to it.
But if Mike really does want to make this connection, why isn't he advising his listeners to eat copper?
There's a study right there stating that copper kills virus faster than steel, so it stands to reason that everyone should start eating 1976 pennies.
jordan holmes
You can't sell pennies to people!
They're not worth enough!
dan friesen
There is a monetary value.
If Mike is saying this shit seriously, he needs to turn in his health-ranging badge, because this shit's pretty embarrassing.
jordan holmes
He should switch to elemental science full-time.
I think he should get rid of the health-ranging.
dan friesen
I think elemental science is health-ranging.
jordan holmes
What kind of asshole would say, as an elemental scientist, get the fuck out of here?
dan friesen
That's far from the worst thing we've heard from him, so I'm going to let it slide.
jordan holmes
Fuck you!
Come on!
dan friesen
So Mike has some big news about the state of California.
And he wants Trump to send...
jordan holmes
Everybody's dead?
dan friesen
Nope, but he wants Trump to send the military in.
unidentified
Of course.
mike adams
Sacramento County has announced they're dropping all quarantines.
jordan holmes
Burn it!
mike adams
They're no longer going to try to contain this.
They're just releasing all high-risk patients right out to the public.
I've got a story on this right now up on my website just a few minutes ago.
I've called for Trump to declare a national emergency and literally dispatch the military to take over Sacramento County in order to reestablish basic medical principles of the modern era.
Sacramento County is trying to spread this.
They're deliberately wanting to bring down Trump by spreading the disease and spreading the infections.
It is a criminal sabotage act on the part of Sacramento County.
They can't be that stupid.
They can't be that ignorant.
It's not complacency.
unidentified
It is sabotage.
dan friesen
So Mike curiously doesn't mention that YOLO and Placer counties in California are also doing the same thing that Sacramento County is.
jordan holmes
You only live once.
dan friesen
I wonder if that's just because he's only read one headline on this story and decided to run with it as a narrative.
Probably.
So this is a situation where Sacramento County has decided that they're not going to impose a 14-day quarantine on everyone who's come in contact with someone who has the virus.
If you're sick, you're still to isolate.
But if you came in contact with someone who ends up testing positive, the advice the county is giving now is changed.
The full story here is that the head of Sacramento County's Department of Health Services, Dr. Peter Bailson, He decided that we're at the point where they need to try a different approach.
He determined that the county was past the point of reasonable containment, and it reached a point where mitigation was the main priority.
As he told the Sacramento Bee, Originally, excuse me.
So we move to mitigation, which is basically trying to mitigate the risk to those who are most at risk, the elderly and those with chronic underlying conditions.
An epidemiologist interviewed for that article in The Bee said that this shift in approach makes total sense.
In early stages, when you have a hope for containment, it's good to quarantine as many high-likelihood persons as you can trace down.
Once there's enough cases, that becomes prohibitive from a resource standpoint.
You need to try a different approach, which these counties in California are doing.
Whatever your thoughts on this are, it's not an attempt to spread the virus.
And this sort of narrative that Mike is spreading is really just indicative of his desire to see Trump enact a brutal authoritarian crackdown on people he doesn't like.
jordan holmes
So you're telling me that the city of Sacramento did not get together and hold a secret vote to release all of their infected citizens in order to take down Trump?
dan friesen
Nope.
jordan holmes
That would be, however, pretty amazing if Sacramento did successfully take down Trump via this strategy.
That would be pretty cool.
dan friesen
In the United States, California is the most hated state to people like Mike and Alex.
jordan holmes
I can't imagine why.
dan friesen
So the idea of creating a pretext for Trump to place the capital city under military martial law, that's the sort of thing those dudes jack to.
So that's all that's really going on here.
You're twisting some story into being like, ah, they're trying to take out Trump.
jordan holmes
No, they're the bad guy in Escape from L.A. They are always the bad guy in movies.
This is terrible.
dan friesen
So I thought that Mike talking about the copper and silver defense for Alex was one of the stupidest things I've heard him say in a long time, but he one-ups himself.
jordan holmes
Hell yeah.
mike adams
But there's another big factor in all this, Alex, and this is a question.
Do mosquitoes carry this blood-borne disease?
In other words, in the summer in America, will mosquitoes spread this like mosquitoes spread malaria?
jordan holmes
Take a breath.
mike adams
Mosquitoes currently spread 200-plus diseases that are blood-borne.
When mosquitoes bite you, they actually suck some of your blood, and then they inject a little bit of that blood into the other person.
That's how malaria spreads.
jordan holmes
Is it?
mike adams
Now, malaria is not a virus, of course, but...
Viruses are present in blood and much smaller than bacteria.
So, can mosquitoes spread this?
We don't know the answer to that yet.
dan friesen
If you needed any reason to doubt Mike's credentials as a health ranger, there you go.
He legitimately has no idea how mosquito-borne illnesses are transmitted, and yet here he is, acting like an expert on the subject.
What this indicates to me is that he's never even looked into this.
Because if he thinks, well, they're sucking your blood, obviously a little of the blood they drank earlier is going to get into you later.
jordan holmes
Hey, you take a sip of wine, maybe you spill a little bit.
It's the same thing.
dan friesen
If he thinks that, he can't possibly have looked into this.
Because if he did, he would understand the two-tube proboscis that mosquitoes use to suck your blood.
He would understand that mosquito-borne illnesses are not spread by the blood that the mosquitoes drank previously, but what that blood could have infected the mosquito with.
Mosquitoes inject a little bit of their saliva into you when they bite you, and this is how they transmit diseases like malaria.
If a particular disease cannot infect the mosquito and replicate in the mosquito, it cannot transmit that disease no matter what blood it drank earlier.
This is legitimately some basic fucking stuff that Mike is 100% wrong about.
It's disqualifying being a health ranger.
You can't be a health ranger if you think this.
jordan holmes
You can't be a health ranger if you have a first grade anatomy textbook and then you just start making...
Well, actually, mosquitoes spread disease by a psychic link with other mosquitoes who have contracted diseases from, of course, the dinosaurs.
And that's how we are all going to go extinct.
Makes perfect sense.
dan friesen
To be totally clear.
But the world is crazy.
jordan holmes
That's an understatement.
dan friesen
There may later be a point when we might find that out.
jordan holmes
No, this shit could get wild.
dan friesen
But this is something that Mike would only be saying if he was trying to scare people at this point.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And if he, you know, the other possibility is he just literally knows nothing and is just talking shit and trying to sound like he knows what he's talking about.
jordan holmes
Does he have a personal grudge against Sacramento?
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Has he been searching for a reason to fight?
dan friesen
Well, I mean, they all do against California.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
What a bunch of idiots.
dan friesen
So this virus is bad.
It's to embarrass Trump.
Mosquitoes are going to carry it.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Copper.
jordan holmes
Eat copper if you want to live.
dan friesen
But it's really all just about something else, according to Mike.
There's another stage to this coming.
And it's not his other stage that he said before, which was tricking Trump into canceling the election so everyone could say he's a dictator.
It's not that.
There's something else afoot.
mike adams
This is nowhere near over.
China's hoping that America collapses in terms of its infrastructure, its hospitals, and its stock market, and also executive power, i.e.
the president.
And once that happens, China will unleash even more attacks, possibly, in a worst-case scenario, an actual invasion of America via California.
That's a scenario that we have to take as realistic, although it's pretty far down the road.
Things have to get very bad before they would even attempt that.
dan friesen
So cool.
We got a land invasion by China coming.
jordan holmes
I was very worried about that.
You know, the thing about America that I've always been concerned about is land invasions.
That's one of the big tactical things that we're always susceptible to.
dan friesen
There's a number of reasons why this is dumb.
And it'll be really dumb by the end of this episode when this narrative has taken a re-emergence.
jordan holmes
China's going to invade.
Red Dawn!
dan friesen
Sure.
There's a lot of stuff that's going on.
Right.
In the news, that doesn't look good for Alex.
There's a lot of articles at this point on March 12th that are flying around about him selling his supplements badly.
Illegal.
Unethically.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
There's lingering headlines and articles about him getting arrested.
jordan holmes
.078.
dan friesen
There's people laughing about his defense of himself.
jordan holmes
I'm lying.
dan friesen
But look, man.
It's all not true.
All those headlines aren't true.
alex jones
They're trying to shut us down.
You see it everywhere.
The demonization, the attacks, the lies, the propaganda.
You can't believe any of it.
Almost all of it's pure bull.
That's why they're attacking me because they don't want people when they hear the show to believe us.
They go, oh, that guy's this or that guy's that.
All of it is deception, ladies and gentlemen.
We're here telling the truth.
Infowars.com.
dan friesen
Yep.
It's perfect.
If you can get people to believe that, you're golden.
jordan holmes
Cult leaders always say the same shit, you know?
There's really only a certain subset of things you can say if you're a cult leader.
dan friesen
Well, Jordan, that's because it works.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
That's what I'm saying.
There's a clear pathway.
There's a certain clarity to being a cult leader, I think, where it's just like, oh.
dan friesen
It's that black and white stuff.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we've seen cults for millennia.
I'll just do what those guys did.
Boom.
Successful.
dan friesen
So now Mike gets into kind of hosting.
And he reiterates that he wants everyone...
All the officials in Sacramento to be arrested.
mike adams
When you have a county in California, Sacramento County, deliberately engaging in criminal sabotage to spread this virus across America, then it is absolutely time for President Trump to declare a national emergency, send the military into Sacramento County, Seize control of the public health department there.
Arrest the officials, march them out, prosecute them, put them in jail, and reestablish basic modern medical common sense.
That's exactly what I'm calling for.
You can quote me on that.
It has to be done.
dan friesen
That's not a good solution.
jordan holmes
Quote me on this.
I would like President Trump...
To burn Sacramento to the ground, murder all of its citizens, raise the pyre up to the heavens as a signal that modern medicine is how we shall do things, and then pray to God to cure the rest of us.
dan friesen
Kidnap Gavin Newsom and make him a jester.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
unidentified
To dance.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I don't know.
I don't like the trends this is going in.
So, Mike has heard a lot of messaging from Calmer heads.
They're saying, hey man, you don't need to buy all the toilet paper.
jordan holmes
Buy it all!
dan friesen
You don't need to do all that.
jordan holmes
Yes!
dan friesen
That's bad because then it creates no one can get toilet paper.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
There is an issue there.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
It's very obvious.
dan friesen
Yes.
It's not good.
And Mike thinks like, hey man, y 'all are hypocrites.
mike adams
And by the way, wasn't the mainstream media telling us this whole time before all this, oh, everybody should buy more stuff.
Buy more stuff.
It's good for the economy.
Remember President Bush is like, buy more stuff to help the economy.
So we're always told to buy more stuff, but then suddenly when there's a virus, it's like, stop buying stuff.
What?
Where does that come from?
I thought you told us to buy more stuff.
dan friesen
So consumerism is the complaint he has, the hypocrisy of, but by the way, by the way.
Wasn't Bush talking about like after 9-11?
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
That was a long time ago, buddy.
jordan holmes
All right.
Okay, Dan, what you're not understanding is that when someone says something in one circumstance and then the circumstances change and then they say something different, that's hypocrisy, Dan.
dan friesen
Right.
And I understand that, you know, hey, this situation and 9-11 are both large lifestyle altering for some, for most.
It's circumstances.
And I can see how Mike would be like, okay, in the aftermath of that giant terrorist attack, President Bush came out and said, everybody's got to buy stuff.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So why aren't they saying that now?
And it's because these are different things.
jordan holmes
George Bush did come out and say after 9-11, everyone should stockpile toilet paper.
In case the terrorists fly another plane into Walmart.
dan friesen
I guess that would be what has to be the case to make an analog here.
jordan holmes
That is incredibly stupid, stupid thinking and you should be ashamed of yourself for saying something like that.
dan friesen
Well, but that's what happens when Alex just leaves and lets Mike ramble on his own for a while.
jordan holmes
That's just such a stupid thing to say.
dan friesen
So Mike's hosted on his own for a little bit and then Alex comes back and there's a real trend.
Of him trying to make a joke out of his arrest.
And you'll see that's starting to begin here.
alex jones
AOC says people aren't going to Chinese restaurants due to racism around the coronavirus.
unidentified
Yep.
True.
alex jones
Really, I was in a Japanese restaurant the other night.
dan friesen
This is the first little...
Again?
You'll see a good bit more of this.
I'm trying to...
I don't know if I want to call it reclaim the situation, but it's very weird.
jordan holmes
We're getting his, if I did it, here's how I would have done it.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, I think that there is a little bit of a, I know that I'm not going to get in any real trouble for this, kind of gloating, almost.
And he's behaving fairly similarly about his silver sail.
alex jones
I'm saying topically, or if it makes contact with a virus, silver's documented, and the studies are so legion, it'll make your head spin, and it's back in stock at 20% off at Infowarsstore.com.
dan friesen
So he's using very similar techniques and tactics and things that he said that are the things that are being criticized by this Mother Jones article.
It's almost like a come at me.
See what happens.
I don't give a shit.
jordan holmes
This is a huge failing here because all that it seems like the FTA or who sent him that?
The FTC and the AG.
dan friesen
It's the New York Attorney General.
But that hasn't happened yet in the timeline.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
But all that this is really serving to do is kind of teach him how to skirt the rules the right way.
dan friesen
Maybe, maybe not.
Maybe, maybe not, man.
jordan holmes
Like, it needs to be an immediate...
dan friesen
Fine.
jordan holmes
It needs to be an immediate...
dan friesen
We will end up seeing what happens.
I don't know what's going to happen.
But at this point, it's important to remember that on March 12th, he's just responding to Media Matters and Mother Jones putting out these articles about his silver sales.
He doesn't get that letter.
The letter is dated March 12th.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So when he's on air, there's a really good chance he hasn't seen the New York Attorney General's letter.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
That is the cease and desist.
So that is probably not in his awareness until the 13th.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So at this point, there is a almost begging that letter to exist.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
In his presentation on the show, which is a really interesting dynamic.
I think he feels a little bit untouchable.
I think he feels a little bit, I'm on top of the world.
jordan holmes
I mean...
It's hard to see anybody who has suffered less consequences for more terrifying...
It's true.
You've got George W. Bush committing war crimes, and then you've got Alex.
dan friesen
There's a sliding scale for presidents and their own expectations, probably.
But yeah, Alex has got to feel like I've been here before.
People have fucked with me before.
And I don't know if that feeling stays around.
jordan holmes
Oh, you don't think so?
dan friesen
He's feeling pretty good on the 12th, but 13th might be different.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
So, on this clip here, Alex is really, one of the things that's really important is when there is a lot of this barrage of outside attacks coming at him, quote-unquote attacks, I might call it stories that are accurate, he needs to make the audience feel like it's actually about them.
alex jones
You see them all over the news saying, arrest me, get me, I'm a criminal.
Shut him down.
They can't stand.
We're on air.
They want to be able to carry out what they're about to do without us on air.
They don't want you to have a voice.
They want to take your voice.
But standing together, they're not going to get away with that.
dan friesen
So you need to stand together with Alex and support his ability to weather this situation that he's in, because if he goes away, your voice is gone.
And that's what the globalists are really after.
They're after your voice.
It's not that Alex got a DWI and there's consequences to his actions.
It's not that he has been immorally, unethically, possibly illegally selling his silver supplement as if it were a drug.
It's not that.
It's the globalists hate his audience.
jordan holmes
Right.
No, it's very simple.
It's a simple tree of just, like, any criticism is an attack.
Any attack on me is an attack on you.
Please shut down any of your ability to think.
Only react emotionally and violently and in defensiveness.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, now, we get to the breakdown of the narrative.
This section takes place here on this March 12th episode.
And I think that this is it.
This is where everything becomes more solidified.
Alex hits the beats.
And I'm here to tell you.
jordan holmes
The vaso beats?
dan friesen
No.
No, no, no.
Not the nitrous oxide.
This is no laughing gas matter.
Alex gives the final form.
What I would describe as the final form.
Who knows if it'll change later.
jordan holmes
Super Saiyan Goku.
dan friesen
This is much more...
This is what we're going with.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And it's all bullshit.
So we're going to break it down piece by piece as it goes along.
alex jones
Here's what we know.
And we've chronicled this with the author of the U.S. Biological Weapons Law that became world law and scientists and researchers at nauseam with the actual research papers out of India and other major prestigious universities around the world.
jordan holmes
Chicken vaccines.
alex jones
That the coronavirus is a...
A ridiculously man-made virus.
A chimera with a bunch of different families of viruses spliced together with an HIV delivery system welded onto it as well.
Not HIV, but the HIV virus delivery system.
dan friesen
None of that's true.
Alex has not had great experts on the show.
He's spoken to unhinged lunatics and Holocaust deniers who have helped him build up his narrative.
But none of it's even close to real.
He constantly mentions that Indian study, but he never really discusses the contents of it at all.
He hand-waves away the fact that it was retracted by its own authors after their methods and conclusions were very seriously critiqued by the scientific community by just saying that they came to pressure from the globalists.
jordan holmes
Globalists took them down, Dan!
The truth can't get out.
dan friesen
Also, I thought that Alex's narratives about the HIV delivery system thing were just him not understanding the furin versus ACE2 cleavage, but I think that I might have been giving him too much credit.
Upon more reflection, I think that that's just that Indian study.
I think that's all that is.
And he didn't read it.
In that study, the authors found four nucleotide sequences that they claimed were not present in other coronaviruses, which they speculated were swapped with sequences in HIV.
One of the main reasons their paper ended up being retracted is the swift criticism they got, particularly relating to the fact that two of those sequences are found in other coronaviruses, and only one of the sequences was even similar to one found in HIV, and it was almost certainly a coincidence.
This is most likely all Alex is talking about when he claims that there's an HIV delivery system.
It's all just traced back to that retracted Discredited Indian study.
None of this is real at all.
It's just a shoddy collection of bullshit that he's talked about for the last two months being pressed together to make a more compact ball of shit.
jordan holmes
In many ways, it is ridiculously man-made.
Only the adverb just means that it's ridiculous.
dan friesen
Yeah, sure.
I'll allow it.
So we get to the second piece of the narrative, and it has to do with xenophobia.
alex jones
In day one, six weeks ago.
Corporate media praised China, but when Trump talked about stopping flights, and we said, yeah, that's a great idea, they went, oh my God, it's so xenophobic.
Then a week later, South Korea, Japan, Russia, all these other stopped flights.
When Trump did it a week later, they freaked out in the media and said it was pure evil.
So did China, so did the UN.
The UN's response, shooting people at checkpoints was good.
Trump saying we're going to stop flights from China when everybody else had, bad.
And that's when you see the agenda.
dan friesen
So there's no good evidence that suggests that any country that suspended flights has seen a decreased incidence of coronavirus.
For instance, Alex lists South Korea who stopped all flights to Daegu, the city with the most infections, on February 23rd.
That country had 763 cases at that point, and by March 1st they had 3,736.
One of the reasons that generally people view shutting down travel from specific places as being xenophobic is because it really doesn't have the effect that you would think it would have in terms of disease containment.
Experts on the subject agree that it's best to allow people to travel and that way you can set up screening points of people coming in and out, which you wouldn't be able to do if everything was shut down and the only people who were coming in were complete unknown quantities.
Given the lack of evidence that this is an effective strategy, if someone is pushing for it to be used, it usually means that person is either uninformed or they have a hidden agenda.
Given how frequently the Trump administration tried to restrict travel for bigoted reasons in the past, you could kind of understand why some commentators might get that impression.
Alex has still not demonstrated his claims of people being shot at checkpoints, even that that's real, but he's acting as if it is and claiming that the UN loved it, none of which is based in reality.
This is all just bullshit.
So now we get to the third section of the...
Do you have a question?
jordan holmes
I was just thinking the thing about the travel ban is the story coming out of Italy where somebody leaked it.
That they were going to create a quarantine zone, and they leaked it about 24 hours before, and people ran away from the quarantine zone.
dan friesen
That's certainly a risk that can happen.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and wound up infecting more people.
You didn't wind up helping anybody.
dan friesen
You can't ever really fully lock down things, even if there isn't a leak like that that you're describing.
You can't have a waterproof, let's say, or airproof quarantine on something.
And so you'll inevitably end up, but you can, when you do things like shutdown travel So now we get to this third chunk here and more bullshit.
alex jones
Man-made virus so they can release it.
They've already tested it in the lab.
They know.
Helen Chowdhury even got human prisoners.
They know how it's going to be replicated on human test subjects, not just rats and pigs and bats that also can get...
dan friesen
There's no evidence that this is man-made or that anyone was doing any testing on it, but if they were, this still makes no sense.
No amount of testing would be able to predict what coding errors the virus would make in RNA replication, which would lead to the mutations.
That's random.
It's just a natural process that scientists could not control nor predict with any kind of accuracy.
Also, there's no evidence that pigs can get this coronavirus.
There are pig-borne coronaviruses, for sure, like porcine respiratory coronavirus, but there's currently no indication that the current outbreak affects pigs.
Dr. Jett Christensen, the manager of the Canada West Swine Health Intelligence Network, said, There is no very clear evidence that pigs might be susceptible to the specific strain, but I want to caution that there is much research going on right now that this could change within a week or two.
Alex is just making up that this affects pigs, and that's true even if we eventually learn that pigs are susceptible.
He's just making this shit up.
He has no idea.
So, we get to another line of this.
And this is more or less just segmented chunks of like a three-minute distillation of the narrative.
alex jones
And so you pull back from it, and you watch all the different ways it's connected.
It's clear.
There are already first two, then four, now ten different strains.
Some strains are more deadly than others.
dan friesen
There aren't ten strains.
jordan holmes
Ten strains.
dan friesen
Alex is just exaggerating the suggestion in that research that we discussed earlier that there are two, the S and L strains, which isn't even something that there's a consensus about.
He's just embellishing and exaggerating.
Now we get to the next piece, and that's the chimera piece.
alex jones
And it's a chimera so that it's got a whole family of families connected together so that it's very hard to track where it came from.
dan friesen
A family of families.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
This is the Italian virus now.
Is that what we're calling it?
Hey, we got a big family!
Oh, we got the Bolsonaro!
We got the virus!
Everybody's a big man!
dan friesen
It's pretty imprecise language he's using there to describe the situation.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
This is really disgusting.
dan friesen
It's pretty bad.
jordan holmes
This is really, truly disgusting.
dan friesen
But it's him trying to get the concrete version down, which makes it even worse.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
These are the results of our extended investigation into this, and all of it's just nonsense.
jordan holmes
I have a hard time with this, because it's still difficult to...
Truly comprehend the scale of what's going on.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Like, nobody has any clue how big this might get.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
And for him to just all of a sudden start throwing this shit around at this level, it's just...
unidentified
I cannot fucking handle that.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, this is genuinely terrifying.
dan friesen
It's pretty gross behavior as a whole.
jordan holmes
Just because we're all trying to figure out what the tone is.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
We're all struggling.
dan friesen
Yeah, we've talked about that.
It's even very difficult for me as someone who's covering this stuff because I will have quiet moments of real self-doubt that I have made too little of the situation.
And it's really tough because we're covering Alex and Alex says bullshit.
We say this is bullshit.
Yeah.
It's very hard.
I don't know the tone.
I'm not an expert in these things.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and there's no way yet to really kind of walk that fine line between worry, concern, and panic.
There should absolutely be worry.
There should be concern.
There should be caution.
There should be risk aversion.
But this is pushing things into that full-on panic, which is when we fuck up.
That's such a...
Dumb thing to do.
dan friesen
Yeah, and it'll get worse on this episode.
jordan holmes
It's so stupid.
dan friesen
I hate people.
Well, let's get back to this concreting of the narrative.
It would not be complete if it didn't include the idea that Obama sold the virus.
jordan holmes
Oh, well, of course it did.
alex jones
You have the original virus bought in 2015 from North Carolina University that Obama allowed the transfer of.
That was a big national controversy.
dan friesen
That's not true.
Alex is just misrepresenting an article he didn't read.
So you get that North Carolina UNC Chapel Hill article that he's lying about, and that's where this began.
alex jones
You have the original virus bought in 2015 from North Carolina University that Obama allowed to transfer of.
That was a big national controversy.
And then once they had that chimera, they were able to get a functioning chimera, very hard to build a virus like that, that could then be modified further.
And so now we know what's happening.
dan friesen
So that's what's happening.
jordan holmes
Now we know it's happening.
dan friesen
They got this chimera, they were able to make a chimera, and it's very difficult to make a chimera.
jordan holmes
Three minutes.
dan friesen
Please discuss any of that.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, it's hard to make a chimera.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
I watched Full Metal Alchemist.
dan friesen
So now we have pretty much the concrete version of the narrative.
Alex has had tons of very, very legitimate experts who have come in, and we've decided that this is a bunch of different viruses in one.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
You know that the globalists are behind it because they say it's xenophobic for Trump to shut down travel while praising China or something.
Sure.
It's man-made.
They've tested it so they know the mutations that are going to happen.
There's ten strains.
It's a family of families.
jordan holmes
It's a family of families!
dan friesen
And Obama is to blame because he sold it to China in 2015.
It was created in this lab at UNC Chapel Hill.
All the extraneous stuff beyond this is up for grabs.
It's not as important.
This is the narrative that Alex needs to get out or else he's screwed.
And that's why he's boiling it down like this.
jordan holmes
There's so many parallels to the way that he is treating this from a perspective of...
Nothing is Trump's fault.
Nothing he does is Trump's fault.
Nothing I did to get the DWI is my fault.
dan friesen
Yeah, of course.
jordan holmes
Nothing is my fault.
Look, you can blame everybody but me, and you can blame everybody but him.
It's everybody else's fault.
It turns out we're the best at everything all the time.
dan friesen
All the time.
jordan holmes
Sucks.
dan friesen
So now that we've got this down, we can take a look at why.
What is this used for?
And here's Alex's position.
alex jones
They're using it to paralyze the economy.
jordan holmes
Trump's covering it up.
alex jones
Hysteria like fear.
This is the globalist plan to teach us to live under lockdown, to teach us that there's this invisible enemy even worse than terrorists, that we've got to give our rights up and take the forced inoculations and do what they say.
dan friesen
So, after that laundry list of completely fictional elements of the finalized version of this narrative, Alex reasserts that it's being used to paralyze the economy and make us live under lockdown.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
And that's why we should shut down Sacramento's borders, send the military in, close it off, arrest everybody, hang people!
dan friesen
It is a little disjointed.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
My first suggestion is that if you see someone go zero for seven in their premises, their conclusion is probably shit too.
What Alex is doing is taking the natural consequences of something and then pretending those consequences are why the thing happened to begin with.
For instance, naturally, a large-scale outbreak is going to have an effect on the economy.
It's pretty inescapable in the modern world.
When there are market disruptions that happen after an outbreak, you have in no way proven that the virus was released in order to precipitate a market disruption.
You've got a good start on that thriller novel you've always been meaning to write, but you haven't proven shit, and that's what Alex is doing.
He's taking a natural consequence and then claiming it's the motivation.
like shutting down the NBA and events with large attendances, that's a natural consequence.
That's the correct thing to do when there's a concern about an outbreak, at least.
But if you pretend that the consequence is the motivation, you can completely distort reality without ever having to prove your premises.
They wanted to shut down all this stuff in order to cause hysteria, so that's why they were...
It's nonsense.
jordan holmes
And everybody knows the real situation here is that the Golden State Warriors released this virus in order to make sure that Stephanie...
Steph Curry and Klay Thompson can get fully healthy for the end of the NBA season.
They're going to sneak into the eighth seed in the West, and they're going to wind up winning the whole thing.
This is all Steph Curry's plan!
dan friesen
It's been proven.
jordan holmes
It's in the white papers.
dan friesen
It's in the mainstream media.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
So this strategy, pretending consequences are actually secret motivations, is a large chunk of Alex's conspiracy worldview.
Generally what he does is yell about secret motivations for consequences he's making up.
Like in the case of him yelling about the globalists staging mass shootings for the secret motivation of taking his guns.
The imagined consequence, him losing his guns, never comes.
But expanded gun regulations and restrictions are the natural consequence you would expect to see from tons of shootings.
He imagines the consequence of the result of the shooting, then pretends that that goal of taking his guns is what motivated the staging of the shooting to begin with.
The current situation is just kind of the inverse.
There are real-world consequences happening from this virus.
So Alex is just taking what's happening in the real world and pretending it's what the globalists were trying to do by releasing this maybe race-specific bioweapon, which it's not, and they didn't.
So that's the game that's being played.
jordan holmes
But it's the inverse situation that gets people fucking hurt.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
When the consequences are real.
dan friesen
Well, they all get people hurt.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
But I mean, when the consequences are real and you're making up the motivation, that's scapegoating and that's what gets people killed.
dan friesen
Well, yes.
jordan holmes
When the consequences aren't real, that's you having a fun old time.
dan friesen
But that still gets people hurt.
jordan holmes
It still gets people hurt.
dan friesen
This gets people hurt more.
jordan holmes
Way more.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's much more dangerous as a game.
And I can't imagine Alex isn't aware of that on some level.
jordan holmes
It would be insane not to be.
dan friesen
So he starts talking about how, like, He's been talking about how they're going to do this all along.
jordan holmes
Oh, of course.
dan friesen
They're going to release these bioweapons in order to bring in a world government.
alex jones
So when you pull back from this, it's clear.
This is the year 2020.
And the UN and the Bilderberg Group and the Davos Group always said, we will use bioweapon events and plagues to bring in world government and have control.
And that's how you make countries coordinate with each other.
That's how you create international bodies that control it.
Who will then be your saviors and will also be your jailers while they take control of your life.
dan friesen
You know what I realized when I heard that clip?
jordan holmes
What's that?
dan friesen
I realized that I haven't heard Alex complain about Bilderberg in a long time.
I feel like he's just forgotten them as being the big bad guys in the world.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I like to check in on them every now and again.
dan friesen
Alex has in no way proven that Davos or the UN or Bilderberg has ever said any of these things.
He has no citation, he just sort of asserts this shit.
And since he's built up these people as the arch-villains on his show, his audience is just primed to unquestioningly accept it.
Yeah, they must have said that.
I've been following Alex pretty closely for years now, including closely scrutinizing his documentaries Endgame and The Obama Decision.
Do you know what's fun?
What's that?
jordan holmes
He presupposes that should there have been a world government, or should there be a world government, it would get us out of this situation.
Because he's saying that they will be our saviors and our jailers, but...
Sure.
dan friesen
But that's because they created the problem.
Oh, that's true.
jordan holmes
That's true.
Okay, that's fair.
That's fair.
I'll give him that one.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, Alex...
jordan holmes
Gotta give it up to the virus.
dan friesen
Alex gets to talking a little bit about this idea that it's a bunch of viruses put into one.
It's all spliced together.
But I want you to pay close attention to this, because listen to how incapable he is of even discussing this on any level.
alex jones
And now there's headlines in Politico, the New York Times, oh, the conspiracy theorists in Russia and China and Brazil and Mexico, they're all saying it's man-made.
And then there's scientists come out and go, yeah, we looked at it under an electron microscope, and you can see, because it's so small, they haven't learned how to slice stuff together that small, but it isn't obvious.
I mean, a pizza's been cut up, you see the pieces.
You see the pieces.
jordan holmes
Wow.
alex jones
And it's all, it's a blob that's all been slapped together.
At the microscopic level, it doesn't just come together sweetly.
It's a big slapped-together thing that was then miniaturized so it could be airborne, so it could get into your lungs.
Every part of it made so that it would spread, so that everybody would end up learning they'd been infected with it.
unidentified
Wow.
alex jones
So the hysteria will reach fever pitch once the test kits get out.
And that's why Trump says, oh, it's no problem, no big deal.
Oh, we'll put the test kits out and then they don't put the test kits out because the White House knows.
dan friesen
So one thing I think is very important to recognize that may often just sort of fade into the background is how unable Alex is to talk about these issues.
You can hear it so clearly here.
He's just fumbling for words because he doesn't really even understand his own conspiracy narratives on any level deeper than some headlines he's skimmed.
jordan holmes
They cut!
You can see the pieces of pizza, Dan.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
That's science!
dan friesen
Right.
What's at the root of this whole misunderstanding Alex has about things being spliced together traces back to that retracted Indian study.
In that study, the authors discussed, quote, inserts in the RNA of the virus, which Alex has taken to mean that things were inserted in there.
And from there, he's just imagined these scientists finding splice points and all that shit.
In reality, when discussing RNA, insert doesn't mean what Alex thinks it does.
When RNA replicates, it can sometimes add or delete nucleotide sequences, and when a sequence is added that wasn't there before, it's called insertion.
This doesn't mean that a human inserted anything into the RNA.
It's just a term that people use to describe this natural phenomenon.
jordan holmes
Nah, you can see they used a sailor's knot to tie the RNA, Dan.
There's only one possible explanation.
Globalists use sailor's knots!
dan friesen
Sure.
I know that he's just making shit up, but if he's not, I would like to challenge Alex to explain the, quote, slopping viruses together methodology, and after that, I would ask him to walk us through the miniaturization process.
jordan holmes
At least swirl them around, and then you get, you know, you go inside a body, and it's like, you know, you're in a submarine, and you gotta take out a tumor.
I think he's describing inner space.
dan friesen
He might be.
Also, apparently, Trump is back into being involved in the cover-up.
jordan holmes
Hell yeah, he is!
I mean, he's not doing it, but he's involved.
dan friesen
That might be one of the things that looks shitty in hindsight about this, that Alex is trying to create a narrative to cover for.
jordan holmes
Better sell a narrative for that.
dan friesen
Whatever.
So, Alex has another guest.
He's a man who likes to go to the woods and tell others to do so as well.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
He's the anti-communist royalty Joel Skousen.
jordan holmes
Great.
dan friesen
And he starts off his appearance by maybe...
jordan holmes
I mean, you shouldn't be overweight.
unidentified
You shouldn't be eating any junk food.
joel skousen
You've got to be eating a lot of natural and organic food.
And then you've got to be using some of the really good herbal and products, the kinds that Alex sells, for example, nanosilver.
Products are very, very good at killing all of these types of coronaviruses.
unidentified
You can't point to any medical studies to prove these types of things.
jordan holmes
Oh, there is that issue.
steve pieczenik
Serious anecdotal evidence that does support that.
dan friesen
Joel, you're going to fuck around and get a letter from the New York Attorney General.
What are you doing?
jordan holmes
I got some serious anecdotal studies on this one.
dan friesen
Don't get involved in this when you don't have to.
unidentified
Come on!
jordan holmes
Now, wait in there.
Wait in there.
We need another night in the army, Dan.
dan friesen
Come on, Joel.
jordan holmes
Yeah, let's go.
dan friesen
So, Joel is talking about this virus situation, and he has something that he wants to bring to the table.
unidentified
Unlike...
joel skousen
Early assurance says COVID-19 is capable of airborne transmission.
They've told us for weeks now that you have to actually contact or it's sneezing or water droplets with the virus that get on the surface to make this contagious.
alex jones
Absolutely false.
joel skousen
Princeton University has come out now with a study, which I'll be linking to in Friday's World Affairs Brief.
jordan holmes
Great.
steve pieczenik
About the fact that it is airborne.
dan friesen
So there's an important distinction that I need to make.
In past episodes, I've criticized Stuart Rhodes and Francis Boyle for asserting that the virus is airborne, with nothing backing their claims up other than their opinion.
There is new information out, which calls some of this into question, so I think we need to address that.
There was a study that came out after our last episode that suggests that it's possible that the coronavirus can be transmitted in the air, with the virus living up to about three hours in aerosolized form.
There are many caveats to this.
For one, the paper is not peer-reviewed yet, so there's been no confirmation of the findings.
But even if the study does hold up, it's not clear what conclusion you should draw from it.
As one of the paper's co-authors, Dylan Morris, told Live Science, quote, We still don't know how high a concentration of viable coronavirus is needed in practice to infect a human being, though this is something we are looking to model in the future.
This qualifier is very important.
Because the study just claimed to show that the virus is detectable in the air three hours after it's there, but it very well may be that the amount that survives any relevant amount of time might not be enough to actually transmit the virus.
Another issue is that saying that the virus can survive three hours in aerosolized form doesn't mean the same thing as if you cough, the virus will be in the air for three hours.
There is a possibility here, though, and undoubtedly more study will be done on this front, and we'll know more in the coming days surrounding this.
Another limitation of the study was they didn't even look at how far the virus can travel in the air.
That's not to say that they were wrong not to.
It just wasn't part of the scope of their study.
So just because it can live in the air for a long period of time, it doesn't mean that it'll travel really far like it's been implied by a lot of these dicks.
That's still an open question.
The point here is that there is a study that indicates that the virus may be transmittable in the air.
But I'm here still to tell you that Stuart Rhodes and Francis Boyle were wrong.
They did not have any reason to say that when they said it on the show.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Just because this is an indication that it's possible that their conclusion was correct.
Right.
unidentified
They arrived at it improperly.
dan friesen
Right.
With Skousen...
It's a little bit murkier.
jordan holmes
It's like if fucking Elrond walked out of the woods, you're not going to be like, well, obviously, Tolkien knew that elves were fucking real.
He was making all that shit up.
It doesn't matter that Elrond is real.
The point is that he was making it up when he said it.
dan friesen
Yeah, but with Skousen, like I said, it's a little bit gray.
He has no right to report this as solid fact, since the study is still incomplete at this point and is in its pre-peer review phase.
But he has a little bit more wiggle room to speculate than Alex's other friends did, because at least he has a source to point to.
It's not a great source to be certain about just yet, but the other dudes were just riffing.
As Discousins claimed that Princeton put out the study, that's kind of imprecise.
The co-author is a grad student at Princeton, so I'll give him half credit.
One of the larger points here, too, is that the co-author himself, when speaking to Live Science, noted that, quote, even if aerosol transmission can occur, it's unlikely to be the primary force driving the current pandemic.
This is primarily because sneezing and coughing do not generally create aerosol-sized particles, which is what the study was looking at.
It wouldn't exist, according to this article, generally outside of hospital settings, which is still super relevant.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
No, no, for sure.
It's not the same thing that people like Alex and his friends are trying to create.
Yeah.
This hysteria around.
jordan holmes
What they're basically saying is that if one small virus exists anywhere, it can infect a human being.
If it's in the air, they can breathe it in, and that's all it takes.
dan friesen
That's what Alex wants the message to be.
unidentified
Exactly.
dan friesen
That's not what the study says.
jordan holmes
Not at all.
dan friesen
So I noticed something weird on this episode.
First of all, it's loaded with guests.
We already have Mike Adams and Joel Skousen, and there are two more people coming.
jordan holmes
Damn.
dan friesen
That alone wouldn't be too weird, but the way Alex is doing the show is super irregular.
Alex will intro the guest, talk to them for a little bit, then disappear, letting the other person basically host the show.
Mike Adams came in and out of breaks on his own.
Mike Adams, welcome back to the show.
And now Joel is introing the show out of commercial breaks, too, with Alex nowhere to be seen.
In the same way that Alex straight up left the show on Wednesday, I think he's dipping in and out and letting his friends take over because he's dealing with lawyers.
This show feels very disorganized and like it's in trouble on this Thursday show.
jordan holmes
That sounds right.
dan friesen
And I will tell you this, Jordan.
Joel Skousen on his own is boring as shit.
jordan holmes
No!
dan friesen
That old man, monotone, damn near put me to sleep.
His main point is basically that the virus is the result of offensive bioweapons research that was being done by China in Wuhan.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
They wanted to take out the West and take over the United States with a bioweapon, but the virus got out somehow.
jordan holmes
So Obama didn't sell it to him?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Well, I think you could make this compatible, but it'd be hard.
jordan holmes
Obama sold them a primitive form of it, and then they experimented on it, and then it got free, and now we all have zombies.
dan friesen
It's tough to say, because that part of the narrative is definitely not in Joel Skousen's.
jordan holmes
Gotcha, gotcha.
dan friesen
I could see a way that you could make it work, but Joel doesn't give a shit about that stuff.
jordan holmes
We'll workshop it later.
dan friesen
I don't think it would be that hard, but it would also be a little silly.
So the way Joel thinks the virus got out was that the lab has a bad process for throwing things away, so someone stole a glove out of their trash and took it to the fish market.
It's unclear who this trash bandit was, but I would guess that they're not involved with the Chinese government.
Because, you know, China was trying to create this.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
Joel does say that he doesn't think it was the United States, so I don't know who it would be.
He's not big on details past the broad conspiracy strokes.
Anyway, he doesn't really get into the Obama selling it, like I said.
I don't know his point.
It's kind of like he doesn't believe any of Alex's shit, but he just wants to keep up his uncle's rabid red scare mentality.
Keep that alive.
jordan holmes
I'm going to go with Luxembourg.
Luxembourg has been overlooked for far too long.
They made this virus to get themselves on the map.
That's what I'm saying right now.
dan friesen
Maybe.
jordan holmes
That's what I'm thinking.
dan friesen
It's an interesting theory.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You should go get a guest spot on Alex's show to bring it up.
jordan holmes
I think I might as well.
dan friesen
So Alex comes back after scows and hosts for a bit, and he's coming in weird.
alex jones
I've been saying for three, four weeks that when you see the big celebrity get it, that that will be when the global hysteria goes into overdrive.
And I said, I believe, if I had the crew, we'd go back and find it.
You all heard it.
That as soon as Trump acknowledges that it's deadly and announces his plan to fight it, that you'll see them make their other announcements.
Well, they did it in doubles.
They had horrible globalists.
I mean, you talk about anti-American and his actual political activities.
Anti-gun, anti-family, anti-Trump, anti-America.
So-called good boy, Tom Hanks.
jordan holmes
So-called.
alex jones
He's an Australian, oh, and he and a co-star for some movie they're making, Abbott.
So he's out there all over the news during his production.
All they got to do is have a doctor claim that happened, I believe, at a gut level.
That fits all the scripting, especially because it came out right as Trump gave his speech to overshadow that.
Because in the weird narcissistic needle Johnson world, the chicken crap dimension world of people like Hank's, that's all they care about is being the number one story.
dan friesen
So, a couple quick points.
One, Alex has not been saying for weeks that when you see a celebrity get the virus, that's when the hysteria kicks in.
I've been listening pretty consistently, and that's definitely not something I would say he's made a point of.
Honestly, I don't even remember him saying it ever.
jordan holmes
I think he said that Forrest Gump would get the virus.
dan friesen
He said that, yeah.
jordan holmes
I think he did, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Two, it wasn't his co-star, it's his wife, Tom Hanks.
Three.
Alex is probably going to need that doctors can just come out and say whatever defense here pretty soon, seeing as it seems like Trump just keeps getting into rooms with people who end up testing positive for coronavirus.
jordan holmes
God damn it.
dan friesen
Four, Tom Hanks, his health is not a globalist plot to overshadow Trump.
jordan holmes
It is!
dan friesen
That's the stupidest shit.
jordan holmes
There's only one man more famous than Trump, Dan.
dan friesen
Five, Alex saying that people like Tom Hanks, all they care about is being the top story, is the clearest case of projection I've ever seen in my life.
unidentified
Oh yeah.
dan friesen
Alex can't stop talking about any time he's in the press.
It's a singular obsession for him.
Conversely, Tom Hanks seems to be a relatively humble person as far as celebrities go.
jordan holmes
He writes letters on a typewriter!
Come on, man!
dan friesen
I think he could do way more attention-seeking behavior and totally get away with it.
But Tom Hanks seems to be fine living pretty quietly.
jordan holmes
So charming.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, earlier I mentioned that Alex seems to be trying to make a joke out of his arrest.
And you'll see that trend continue here.
alex jones
And then we've got these other articles.
We've got AOC says people aren't going to Chinese restaurants due to racism.
I've got to tell you, there's a lot of restaurants I like in Austin you can't get into.
I was in one last night.
There was like no one in there.
It wasn't Chinese, by the way.
Everybody knows it was in a Japanese restaurant two nights before that and had some sake and got arrested.
Blew under the limit, but still they took me to jail to do the test.
So I was in a Japanese restaurant as documented by the police department.
She went and checked the cameras.
I'm told to make sure.
This is getting crazy.
So I was in a Japanese restaurant, but this is all happening.
But let's play this clip first.
dan friesen
So Alex is trying to use that clip to say that the Democrats are trying to make this virus a situation about race, which is really weird to hear from him because he keeps calling it a race-specific bioweb.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there is that.
dan friesen
Seems strange.
Anyway, you just...
I hear this, like, deflectionary making a joke, and it continues.
alex jones
Here she is.
alexandria ocasio-cortez
Honestly, it sounds almost so silly to say, but there's a lot of restaurants that are feeling the pain of racism, where people are literally not patroning Chinese restaurants.
They're not patroning Asian restaurants because of just straight-up racism around the coronavirus.
alex jones
As everyone's singing, I got arrested for a half-bottle of soggy.
But they're dropping the charges.
So Dr. Pachanik's laughing about this.
dan friesen
Oh, we have another guest.
Steve Pachanik's on.
jordan holmes
He is not coming on.
dan friesen
Yeah, he is.
But you can see that trend.
This is how Alex is trying to deal with the situation.
jordan holmes
Yeah, this is like such that office co-worker who everybody knows the story about.
And everybody's like not talking about it.
Just don't talk about it.
We're not going to talk about it.
We don't need to worry about it.
dan friesen
No, I think it's funny.
jordan holmes
No, no, we're just not going to talk about what happened to your wife.
No, no, no, I know you're not staying together anymore, but we just don't need to talk about it.
It's not...
dan friesen
It's, yeah, is this Dabda?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
Is this the stages of grief?
dan friesen
I don't think it is.
So, Steve is on, and hey, wouldn't be a Steve Pachanek appearance if he didn't say something.
jordan holmes
I cured coronavirus for everyone!
dan friesen
Nope.
He's already cured himself, but that is not his outrageous thing he has to say this time.
This is more geopolitical.
steve pieczenik
If I were there in the People's Liberation Army, I would have attempted a coup against Xi, because number one, it was obvious to me as a leader of the People's Liberation Army that Xi as a civilian is not qualified to be able to hold on to the power or the...
The illusion of power that he has created in China.
dan friesen
So Steve would lead a coup against Xi.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
I would not recommend that, Steve.
dan friesen
No.
It's real interesting to hear Steve say that, though.
Say that Xi's acting incompetent, particularly in relation to this virus outbreak.
I find this interesting because so far in his appearances on the show, Steve has been the least critical guest as it relates to China that Alex has.
While Alex and his other friends have been running around like Chicken Little saying shit like, hey, it's over for humanity, there will only be lone survivors, Steve has tried to pretend that he was the first person to get the virus in the United States, and then he cured himself with large doses of antibiotics, which are not great against viruses, but whatever.
Steve has downplayed the significance of the outbreak, and he's been supportive of Xi's lockdown strategies.
This fantasy of him leading a coup in China is very out of left field for Steve.
But then again...
Almost everything he says is complete nonsense, so I'm going to let it live in the air.
jordan holmes
That dude's insane.
dan friesen
So Steve gets to talking about how Trump's doing a good job, and then he says something weird.
steve pieczenik
The way Trump needs to counter it is exactly what he's been doing now.
He went out, he's providing finances, he's providing a leadership, he's articulating that leadership.
He's allowing Tony Fauci to express exactly the scientific point of view, where Tony, who trained me at Cornell Medical School, said, look, it's going to be progressive.
I said before on the show a couple months ago, it would be a pandemic.
That's just a fancy word to say.
It was spread.
dan friesen
So, interesting.
unidentified
Alex has some real contradictory guests.
dan friesen
On the one hand, you have Francis Boyle, who says that Dr. Fauci is a Nazi bioweapon researcher and should be arrested.
His narratives have been compelling for Alex, and Alex has picked up on a lot of them.
Turning on Fauci after pretending he was a heroic voice in the administration, Alex went 180 on that.
jordan holmes
He's evil!
He's a Nazi!
dan friesen
This is hard to square with Steve's narrative, where Fauci is doing a great job, and not only that, he trained Steve in med school at Cornell.
Steve knows this guy super well, but also Francis Boyle says he's a Nazi scientist.
If you're listening to this show and you think any of these people are credible, it seems like that would be hard to deal with.
jordan holmes
You just think that there's nowhere for Steve to go.
You just think there's nowhere for him to go and he finds a way.
dan friesen
So I was curious about this claim that Tony Fauci trained Steve at Cornell.
jordan holmes
I'm not!
dan friesen
And I just didn't think it was possible.
So I found Steve's medical license, and it says that he graduated from med school at Cornell in 1968.
Okay.
This is a problem, because Fauci didn't teach at Cornell Med School.
Definitely not around that time.
However, Fauci did graduate from Cornell Med School in 1966, two years prior to Steve.
milo yiannopolis
Okay.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
It would be easy for someone to say that he graduated, and then he immediately turned around and started teaching.
But he didn't.
According to Fauci's bio, after graduating in 1966, Fauci, quote, pursued house staff training in internal medicine at the New York Hospital.
From 1970 to 1971, Fauci was the chief resident at the New York Hospital Cornell Medical Center, but by that point, Steve had already graduated from Cornell, and according to his license, Steve did not do an internship or clinical rotations at the New York Hospital where Fauci would have been.
I'm going to go out on a limb and just assume that Steve realized Fauci went to the same med school as him and he decided to build it into his backstory that Fauci was basically his mentor and teacher.
I see no evidence that this was the case and the timeline does not really even possibly work.
jordan holmes
God damn it.
Man, that's just good stuff.
That's just good stuff from Steve.
I swear to you, I wouldn't even say that he knew him.
dan friesen
It's possible.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
I mean, like, I wouldn't say that he knew Fauci went to Cornell.
I would totally believe that that was a lucky accident for him.
I would totally believe it.
dan friesen
No, I believe it.
jordan holmes
I swear to you.
dan friesen
I wouldn't be too surprised if Steve might have been acquainted with him during med school.
unidentified
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
It's not like the classes are probably gigantic.
jordan holmes
They're big, but you could meet people.
dan friesen
Yeah, but he was two years ahead of him in the program.
This is all bullshit.
jordan holmes
Jesus Christ.
So that's fun, though.
I was personally trained by Darth Vader, actually.
unidentified
I don't know if you know that, but I'm a Sith adept.
dan friesen
Well done, Steve.
So, it wouldn't be a Steve Buchanek appearance if you didn't say crazy nonsense and build his backstory.
jordan holmes
Good stuff.
dan friesen
And it also wouldn't be a Steve Buchanek appearance if you didn't say something flagrantly racist.
steve pieczenik
Basically, what you have is a party that was highly corrupt in California and dominated by very...
Strong, left-wing politicians.
Often it was called the Waxman-Berman machinery, which literally implemented a lot of the laws.
Now you have a Taiwanese Chinaman named Li or Liu.
A what now?
dan friesen
Oh boy.
jordan holmes
A what now?
unidentified
Oh boy.
Steve!
jordan holmes
Who the fuck is this guy?
unidentified
See...
jordan holmes
This is bananas.
unidentified
What I think is so interesting is that it's so...
dan friesen
Like, scattershot.
His bigotry goes all over the place with these antiquated racist slurs.
Crazy.
jordan holmes
You just keep waiting for him to call Irish people mix.
Like, what are you doing?
dan friesen
What is happening?
So Steve gets into talking about Trump being good.
But in doing so, he kind of describes Trump as really bad.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
steve pieczenik
The truth of the matter is Trump knows every mafia guy from here to California, all over the world.
He knows exactly how to make a deal with President Xi or Putin.
We've never had presidents like that.
He understands the personality because on a gut level he says, I like that guy.
dan friesen
That's not what I want.
I don't want a president who sees mafia guys and he's like, I like that guy.
jordan holmes
I could get along with that guy.
dan friesen
That's not good.
jordan holmes
These people are insane.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That is incredible.
What do you think you want in a leader?
I want him to be mobbed up and to really kind of just feel things out.
dan friesen
I want him to be super mobbed up and also want to take over space.
jordan holmes
I like it.
steve pieczenik
We're probably going to increase the funding to space warfare, not just to NASA, but to the space warfare.
alex jones
Exactly, like this Marine Corps head wants more amphibious assault units from like 50, 70 years ago.
Don't we just want more space weapons?
steve pieczenik
That's correct.
And we don't want any more kinetic action.
In other words, we don't need tanks.
We don't need any bazookas.
alex jones
We don't need star destroyers.
steve pieczenik
We don't need destroyers.
I don't even need submarines.
alex jones
Star destroyers.
I'm saying we need weapons, platforms, and space.
And then it's game over.
steve pieczenik
That's correct.
dan friesen
So what these dudes are pushing for is an explicit breach of international law.
There's a little thing called the Outer Space Treaty that was signed back in 1966 when Fauci graduated from med school that forms a lot of the basis for what's known as space law.
The treaty is pretty clear that exploration of space is open to all countries, and their purpose needs to be peaceful.
The treaty itself only specifically bans the installation or deployment of nuclear weapons and weapons of mass destruction, but you would kind of have to assume that a star destroyer that Alex is imagining would qualify as a WMD.
My main point here, and this might be the name of my book if I ever write one, is that Alex Jones really just wants to be one of the bad guys in Star Wars.
He constantly does impressions of Emperor Palpatine.
He comes in from break with the Imperial March constantly.
He almost never talks about the Jedi or the Rebels.
Alex is just a fucking sci-fi dork who likes the bad guys.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'm surprised if CVPs had been quicker, he would have been like, oh yeah, Star Destroyers.
You know, I wrote the original Star Wars with George Lucas.
He trained me at Cornell as well in screenwriting.
dan friesen
So, you know, the United States is set up as a...
Non-religious country.
You know, it's a secular country.
unidentified
Wrong.
dan friesen
According to Alex, it is weird extremist Christianity.
jordan holmes
Weird extremist Christian country.
dan friesen
Steve has a different idea of what the religion of America is.
steve pieczenik
If we had one religion, it's not Christianity, it's entrepreneurism.
We are by nature and by growth.
A entrepreneur country.
I can go bankrupt here twice or three times without having to pay the penalty of disgrace as I would in Europe or China or in Asia.
alex jones
We're a wildcat, wild west system.
jordan holmes
You got it.
steve pieczenik
You got it.
Self-sufficiency entrepreneur and the ability to make mistakes and the ability to assess reality.
alex jones
Well, that's right.
In Europe, the stuff they've done to me, everybody would buy into it.
I'd be over.
The more rebel I get, the more they do.
The more mistakes I make, the more wins I have.
People just love me more.
steve pieczenik
Because you honestly, you're a very bright man.
And underneath that humor, you know very well you're getting your point across.
unidentified
You can't even say that without laughing at comedians, and you've got a lot of them.
steve pieczenik
They tend to be the best actors and the smartest guys.
alex jones
We're out of time.
We love you.
Come back soon.
Everybody's calling me.
I'm getting constant streams of time.
dan friesen
Real hard.
jordan holmes
Real hard out.
dan friesen
Real hard out.
Right after Steve calls Alex an actor and comedian.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there is that.
dan friesen
But I love that Steve couldn't even keep from laughing when he's like, you're very good at getting your points.
jordan holmes
You're a very bright guy.
dan friesen
So Alex gets to talk in here about the silver.
Again, he's very defensive about it.
And I know we're hitting this beat a lot, and that's because it comes up a lot.
alex jones
Alex Jones is telling his viewers that the toothpaste will kill coronavirus.
Well, let's go over the facts approved by lawyers and the Pentagon.
Silver Soul Technology uses Infowarsstore.com products.
Facts.
Silver Soul Technology is used as the first line of defense in hospitals and health clinics.
Against viral and bacterial infection.
The Pentagon also uses it.
I'll show you documents in a moment.
Dr. Paul K. Carlton, previously from the Texas A&M University Health and Science Center, wrote to the U.S. Department of Homeland Security that silver salt technology has undergone ridges testing and has been found to kill anthrax, bubonic plague, hospital staff, and SARS from 13 years ago.
We have a copy of the letter on file and have relied upon it for making representations on air.
Service Hall's own website details how it's been researched for the FDA and cleared in double-blind human ingestion studies.
We're over the counter sale.
dan friesen
So all the claims being made about the nanosilver in this statement that Alex is reading relate to the topical wound gel.
If he were only to have made these claims about the gel being effective against SARS, I probably wouldn't have even brought it up weeks ago when he started selling the toothpaste in Gargle the way he has been.
I'm not certain about all the particular details, but he does seem to have some basis to make claims about the topical gel.
It's just that these claims cannot be made about the completely different product because it has some of the same ingredients.
He talks there about the studies and the research there at the end.
You can go to the Silver Company's website at silverbiotics.com where you'll find a sub-page titled Research.
Their research is split into two sections.
The first is nine studies about the wound gel and its use as an over-the-counter medication.
The second section is where Alex gets into trouble because that's about the ingestion studies.
That section is a collection of six studies that Silver Biotics did involving whether or not it's safe to ingest their silver in the application of the gargle.
None of these studies demonstrate that the same medicinal qualities apply to the ingested silver, just that their product is safe for humans to consume.
You cannot take this compilation of research and conclude that it's ethical or justified to sell the gargle the way that you might the womb gel.
Simply put, Alex has no defense for this.
If he continues to push the issue...
And if the state attorney general, like, their office follows through with their warning, Alex is going to be fined a lot of money.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Can't wait.
dan friesen
It could be very bad.
jordan holmes
I hope so.
dan friesen
So Alex gets defensive more, and he says, like, I didn't say you could cure the virus with this.
alex jones
They're really pissed off right now, folks, that people are getting this and protecting themselves, and they're just running around tattletaling.
Trying to misrepresent what's going on, and it's just not going to work.
No, if you already have this stuff and you already are infected, obviously taking silver isn't going to protect you.
But if it's a front line on your hands, creams, all these things are sold over the counter, it's been proven to give you another buffer against it to take it out.
And if you take it and have it in your throat and things, when it then affects it, it can block it at that point.
It's unbelievable.
dan friesen
This defense is not going to help.
Even if you ignore all the times that Alex very clearly implied that his toothpaste and gargle could knock out the coronavirus, he's still on the wrong side of this.
At the end there, he's saying that the product being in your throat will have a protective effect against the virus.
And he's just digging himself deeper.
Digging deeper.
And, speaking of digging, let's dig in.
Because Alex has his last guest coming up.
And guess what?
He's dumb.
He's a Catholic fascist.
jordan holmes
Great.
dan friesen
It's Milo Yiannopoulos.
unidentified
Great.
milo yiannopolis
I've been spending...
The last couple of weeks trying to avoid this hysteria about coronavirus and all of the, you know, it's not entirely clear to me that it even exists.
unidentified
You walk out in the street in New York and Austin, everything seems completely fine.
milo yiannopolis
But what I have noticed are all these command and control precedents being set up.
You know, they just closed down hockey just now a few minutes ago.
dan friesen
Ah, might not exist.
So Milo does think that there is a flu.
That's going on.
But he has some theories that are stupid.
milo yiannopolis
Listen, I've no doubt there is some kind of flu.
I mean, coronavirus has been on the back of bottles of antiseptic or whatever for three years already.
It has been existed for a while, you know.
But clearly the hysteria is manufactured and clearly it is serving one particular side of the political aisle who are going in ham on it for electoral reasons.
dan friesen
I understand Milo being stupid enough to just see that Clorox meme that was going around where someone pointed out that it says coronavirus on the back of the bottle and then not looking into it any further or whatever.
It makes total sense because he's a lazy fraud.
But I have a real problem with Alex agreeing with this narrative that Milo's putting out.
That's because Alex knows damn well that coronavirus is the name of a family of viruses.
He talks about it a lot.
jordan holmes
It's a family of families.
dan friesen
Particularly when he's in the middle of a sales pitch for his silver.
This is the piece of information that Alex cannot be unaware of.
So he's either completely checked out as a thinker and just, you know, whatever his dumb guests say just presents it as credible or he knows this is bullshit and he's going along with it to deceive the audience.
There's just no way around it.
And it continues.
They're pretending like they don't know that it's a family of viruses.
alex jones
You know, they pulled that up.
It's been on bottles of stuff for years.
milo yiannopolis
Yeah.
alex jones
Yeah.
milo yiannopolis
Because it's because.
It's, as far as I can tell, it's a man-made thing everyone's known about for a while.
It's just, you know, who reads the back of these bottles, right?
But someone noticed somewhere, somehow, that this thing...
jordan holmes
Somewhere, somehow, Dan.
Against all available odds, somebody looked at the back of one of those things.
dan friesen
This is just really stupid.
So Alex gets into, like, talking about how, like, hey, you know what?
I would make more money if I said that this is, like, the end of the world.
alex jones
Well, I want to say this.
If I went in whole hog and said, end of the world, obviously I could sell more product, people need turmeric and colloidal silver and high-quality products anyway for their lives.
And sure, it's probably bad for some.
Sure, get geared up and ready.
But a lot of folks I know are actually mad that I'm not like just, it's the end of the world, run for the hills, kill yourselves, it's all over!
dan friesen
Uh-oh.
Do you think there's a supercut coming?
jordan holmes
I can't think of any time that he has said that it's...
mike adams
It's over for humanity.
There will only be lone survivors.
jordan holmes
All right, well, you got one.
alex jones
Collapse of civilization.
jordan holmes
Okay, so that's two.
alex jones
And so that's where all this is going.
unidentified
How do we know when it's getting time for us to just take it on our own to just bug out and get away from the world?
alex jones
If I was retired and didn't have to be in Austin, I would already be preparing the next few weeks to leave.
jordan holmes
Okay, so that's three.
alex jones
And so if it is as bad as they say, and we hope it isn't, then, I mean, as soon as possible.
dan friesen
So, I mean, if Alex is saying, I could have made more money if I told people to head to the hills, you literally are telling callers that it immediately is time.
You're doing exactly what you fucking say.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Get the fuck out of here.
jordan holmes
What an asshole.
dan friesen
So Milo has a stupid narrative to pitch about New Jersey making it illegal to spread misinformation about the coronavirus.
alex jones
You just told me something I didn't know.
New Jersey?
milo yiannopolis
It is now going to be an offense in New Jersey, punishable with jail terms for spreading misinformation about the coronavirus.
And I'm sitting here thinking...
unidentified
You know Snopes is going to be the source.
milo yiannopolis
I'm sitting here speculating on your show about what I think is really going on.
Am I going to go home and get arrested?
dan friesen
So there are already existing laws on the books in New Jersey that make it illegal to, quote, cause false public alarm.
All that's happening right now is that the Department of Public Safety in New Jersey has come out and said that they're going to enforce those already existing laws in the situation surrounding this virus.
The rationale is pretty simple.
Quote, individuals who make any false or baseless reports about the coronavirus in Newark can set off a domino effect that can result in injury to residents and visitors and affect schools, houses of worship, businesses, and entire neighborhoods.
I think Milo will be in the clear, unless he starts spreading lies specifically about Newark on Alex's show.
There are people who've said that this is a violation of the First Amendment, but it's not really.
It's more just an extension of the principle that says you can't yell fire in a crowded theater.
Your free speech rights don't extend to being able to use them in ways that cause real damage to other people, hence the laws against slander or extortion.
Those are just words you're using, but they aren't protected speech.
Things like this are real concerns for lazy propagandists like Milo and Alex, because deep down they know that when they're questioned, when they're forced to defend their positions, they cannot.
We've seen Alex and his dumb friends under deposition, and you see how they shrivel up and play dumb when they're asked to defend their most basic reporting.
Because they're not basing any of the shit they're saying on anything.
The prospect of being questioned or investigated about causing a false panic is really dangerous for them, because all this it's man-made and Obama sold it to China stuff, that won't hold up under examination or in court.
And Alex knows that.
Deep down, he knows he's guilty of causing false panic to sell his product, and he desperately doesn't want to face that kind of music, so he hides behind this pathetic shield that everything he does is protected by the First Amendment.
And we'll see how long that holds up, but for now, whatever.
Anyway, they go to break, and they come back.
This might be a little gross.
Warning in advance.
jordan holmes
All right.
unidentified
All right.
alex jones
We're going to take care of this right now.
unidentified
Daddy!
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I can imagine.
Daddy!
I can imagine.
alex jones
Why are we listening to this?
unidentified
That's your date night voice, isn't it?
That's your Barry White.
steve pieczenik
That's your Barry White voice.
alex jones
They start trying to tear my clothes off.
Ma 'am, can you please thank you very much for this?
It's a true story.
dan friesen
There's quite a bit of this kind of talk throughout the rest of their interview, but that's a good enough sample.
jordan holmes
That's pretty fucking gross.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's pretty goddamn gross.
Do you guys not know you're on air?
Does anybody...
dan friesen
Hey, man.
jordan holmes
Does anybody work there?
dan friesen
Hey, man.
jordan holmes
No, I kind of feel like this place is just empty.
dan friesen
There's some fun, baby.
unidentified
I feel like they're just alone sitting in there.
jordan holmes
Like, it's a fucking optical illusion.
Like, if you turn the cameras around, it's an entirely empty thing.
And this is the Truman Show for them.
What is happening?
dan friesen
Well, I mean, your theory that they don't know that they're on mics...
Is kind of supported when they start talking about Alex's appearance.
His new look.
alex jones
Look at this bald head, man.
milo yiannopolis
You know, under normal circumstances, this combination, I'm always wary of it because I think everybody looks kind of Iranian, you know, with the beard and bald head.
You are pulling it off, though.
I've got to give it to you.
alex jones
No, I'm going to throw it back, man.
I don't like it.
Oh, cool.
jordan holmes
Is there any sentence they say that doesn't have casual racism dripping all over it?
dan friesen
Well, but the thing with Milo is, like, he...
He's trying to get a rise out of people by being racist funny.
jordan holmes
He's trying to be Don Rickles, but he's not funny and he's a racist.
dan friesen
That's basically the long and short of it.
The reason that Milo's on the show is because he's written a book about Roger Stone's trial and about how Roger got set up.
I don't particularly care about any of this because it's Milo and because it's a book about Roger being set up.
I can't imagine a combination of two things interesting me less.
But they end up ending the show talking about that a bit, and they end up riffing a bit about the judge, Amy Berman Jackson.
jordan holmes
So let's hear this crime we're committing.
dan friesen
Alex tried some comedy out here, and this is bad.
alex jones
Judge Amy Berman Jackson has a giant hard-on for Roger Stone.
milo yiannopolis
Well, let's just say that there have been...
alex jones
Let's just say she has a dog penis.
milo yiannopolis
Stop that.
unidentified
Let's just say there's some history there.
milo yiannopolis
There's some history there.
You'll find out about that in the book a little bit.
alex jones
That'll be a headline tomorrow.
milo yiannopolis
Why would she have a dog penis?
Why would she have a dog...
unidentified
Because she's a bitch!
milo yiannopolis
Sorry.
jordan holmes
That makes less sense!
dan friesen
Yeah, it's not a good joke.
First, I mean, bitches are...
Specifically female dogs.
The construction is bad on this joke.
The delivery is sloppy to the point where even Alex's dishy, edgy comedy buddy Milo tells him to stop it and he can't even keep up with what Alex is trying to get at.
This, like, honestly is lower than open mic quality.
That's bad.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's bad.
dan friesen
So anyway, we're not going to listen to too much or any more of that and we'll jump to the 13th.
Friday the 13th.
Perhaps.
Bad omen.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
I mean, we're recording on the Ides of March, Dan.
This is the bad omen right here.
dan friesen
It could be.
So, Alex starts the show with big breaking news.
alex jones
Well, I told you this two weeks ago.
I said FEMA has already declared secretly a national emergency.
And I said in two weeks, beginning poll, I personally wrote a little blurb for the live show.
I said within two weeks, President Trump, that was just about 14 days ago.
I said, within two weeks, President Trump will declare a national emergency.
They'd already secretly declared it and got it in place before they rolled it out.
dan friesen
Two weeks ago, Alex was trying to pick a fight with Sebastian Gorka.
To be fair, on March 3rd, approximately two weeks prior to this episode, Alex did say that Trump had secretly declared a national emergency about a month prior.
That wasn't true then, and it's still not true.
The fact that Trump begrudgingly declared an emergency in no way proves that there was a secret emergency previously made.
Nonsense.
Nonsense!
jordan holmes
I just don't...
There's just no way.
There's no way to break the propaganda firewall, is there?
Probably not.
If you can't look at what Trump is doing now and see an incompetent, moronic huckster, then what are you doing now?
Well, that's what I'm saying.
But there's still tons of people defending the shit.
If you don't see it now, you're never coming back.
It's too glaring.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's too glaring.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's tough.
jordan holmes
You could call a six-year-old and be like, what should we do?
It'd be better.
dan friesen
But I could make that argument about so many of the things that Alex has done over the course of his career.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
And it would be equally valid.
jordan holmes
True.
unidentified
Absolutely true.
dan friesen
But this is pretty...
jordan holmes
This is bad.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
This is the world.
dan friesen
Yeah, that is the other thing.
So Alex just ends up on this 13th.
He's just making shit up about the public health situation.
alex jones
So this is airborne HIV.
Just like HIV gives you pneumonia and cancer and heart attacks, and that's what it is.
jordan holmes
HIV doesn't do that.
alex jones
So Obama and the U.S. government, the criminals that ran it then, created this camera, sold to China for plausible deniability five years ago.
That's mainstream news.
And then now they've released it as their big temper tantrum.
And don't worry, they've got treatments for it all, but it's still going to kill you.
dan friesen
So Obama selling it to China is not mainstream news, among other problems there.
So there's hysteria going on.
I would argue any that Alex is involved with is his own creation.
But Alex thinks that people are having fun with the hysteria, like the idea of self-isolating or that social distancing stuff.
He thinks that people are having fun with it.
You could look on Twitter and see people making a lot of jokes and stuff, and maybe people are trying to make the best of a bad situation.
But I don't think that what he's saying is exaggerating.
And everybody gets into the hysteria.
alex jones
Everybody has a bunch of fun with it.
And...
All of a sudden, I can drive all over Austin at rush hour and get there twice as fast, and restaurants are empty already, and it's kind of interesting, but now it'll be the new system with the new virus.
It's like a weather report.
You're hearing all this here first.
You will watch all this become reality.
Like a weather report.
Like an allergy report.
Remember, allergies used to be bad 20 years ago.
Now everybody has them.
It's the GMO.
We're dying.
We're being killed.
This has all been done before.
It's all planned out.
The planet's being killed very slowly, but you never know what hit you.
Because you're powerful.
If you knew it was hitting you, you'd mobilize and go to the next level and defeat them.
But no, it's all creeping death.
The 5G is going into lower your immune system and track you at the same time.
dan friesen
You might notice a feeling of a little bit of doom and gloom.
It's subtle at this point, but there's a feeling of like...
jordan holmes
So far, we're not in an optimistic outlook.
dan friesen
It doesn't seem that way.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
Everybody's going to die.
All the restaurants are...
dan friesen
Also, I'm almost certain...
This triggers a little bell in my mind, but I was sitting and thinking I couldn't come up with it.
I am almost certain that I've read a short story or something that involved...
jordan holmes
A virus weather report?
dan friesen
Yes.
I'm almost certain that I've read too many things in my life that I can't pull specifics of it, but it definitely rings a bell.
I'm almost certain that Alex is just taking that from him.
jordan holmes
Probably in Brazil or something.
dan friesen
So Alex gets to talking about the Indian study that's been retracted, and he ends up just making shit up about that.
alex jones
It's a big test.
Can they put out a man-made virus?
And then shut up the German and the Russian and the Indian universities that scan it and go, this thing's man-made.
Oh, well, you're funny if you say that.
Okay, we'll withdraw it.
The Indian universities, others didn't say they were wrong.
They just pulled it.
dan friesen
So, there's literally no evidence nor suggestion of evidence that the authors of that Indian paper about the coronavirus were threatened or intimidated in any way into retracting their study.
They retracted it because the paper was pre-published before peer review, and some peers started reviewing, and their work was heavily criticized for being sloppy and irresponsible.
One particularly scathing critique was made by Peking University's Yang Entz, who commented on the paper's allegation that the RNA samples mentioned in the paper had pieces of HIV in them.
Yang said that there was nothing unique about the small sample that is being said to be similar to HIV, and if that's the only evidence of a connection with HIV, then the same connection could be made between the coronavirus and, quote, fruit flies, mold, or even lentils.
The paper was roundly criticized for jumping to unearned conclusions and making really baseless assumptions.
And upon receiving that criticism, the authors self-retracted of their own will.
If papers were not allowed to be publicly printed, it never would have reached the second stage of editorial oversight.
Not because of a desire to cover up anything, but because the study is embarrassing from a scientific standpoint.
All the stuff about this study is just Alex making up stuff.
It's just his imagination.
There aren't shadowy forces trying to suppress that information.
There are just other scientists saying that the study is shit.
jordan holmes
Weird.
dan friesen
The narrative is more fun from Alex's side, though.
jordan holmes
It is way more fun, but I mean, just a fundamental basic lack of understanding about science.
And that is combined with a rabid desire to discredit it.
dan friesen
Well, you won't find science in a headline.
jordan holmes
It's just so...
dan friesen
That's also going to be a title of a book by Alex.
jordan holmes
You won't find science in a headline.
Find science in a headline.
dan friesen
You might just be a globalist.
Now that Trump is going along with the recommendations of scientists, somewhat, maybe not well, but now that he's doing that, Alex needs to justify why that's the case because Alex is still encouraging quite the opposite.
jordan holmes
Right, of course.
dan friesen
So here's how he does it, and I think this is real dumb.
alex jones
So if you wondered how they'd counter Trump, this is how they do it.
And...
It's a paradox because if he doesn't buy into the hysteria that's impossible to defeat at this level, the stampede, he will be overrun.
But instead he's running like a wildebeest, running from a lion with all the other wildebeest.
And now he can be overrun any time he doesn't stampede right where they want him.
So he can either stop and be overrun by it or he can go, Jones is right, I've got to run with it.
And make no mistake, the White House listens to us.
It's not bragging.
dan friesen
Okay.
I don't know.
That doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
So your noble leader is running with wildebeest and a stampede and can't do anything out of fear of being run over by the other wildebeests.
Whatever, man.
jordan holmes
If there's anything I want in a leader, it is somebody who will blend into a crowd of other sheep.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
That is the goal of a leader.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Alex has a bunch of guests on this episode, but he's decided to cancel them all.
unidentified
Good!
alex jones
I had several guests scheduled, and they're great people, but I canceled them.
No disrespect, because I want to talk to the Oracle.
I want to talk to the people.
dan friesen
So he's going to take calls.
jordan holmes
He's going to take calls.
dan friesen
Maybe.
So Alex has declared that this is airborne HIV, and he elaborates on this a little bit.
And this is more or less where this episode takes...
A real harsh downturn.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
That vibe that we had of doom and gloom fatalism earlier is going to be taken up to a level.
jordan holmes
We're going full on depression.
dan friesen
Oh boy.
alex jones
They have introduced airborne 2.0 HIV and nobody's getting away from it.
Everybody's already got it.
Six months from now, when the kits are everywhere, and that's what Trump knows, he has been trying to hold back the kits, and I understand why.
All he tries to assess what's happening.
jordan holmes
What?
alex jones
When everybody finds out that basically 90%, it's not going to be 70%.
We told you, you know, six weeks ago, it'll be probably half.
No.
Everyone's going to get this.
You could go hide out in a basement somewhere.
You're not getting away from it.
Because once it gets in a body, the human body incubates it, spews it out.
It's a tiny bioweapon virus that floats around, lasts days even in the sunshine, and is coming for you.
dan friesen
It's coming for you.
jordan holmes
It's coming for you.
dan friesen
This is hysterical.
jordan holmes
This is...
dan friesen
What about all the people who have tested negative?
jordan holmes
A lot of people have been telling me, you know, you could make a lot more money if you went all doom and gloom.
dan friesen
And boy, we are going...
jordan holmes
That's the plan!
unidentified
Doom.
jordan holmes
Jesus.
dan friesen
So don't panic, though.
jordan holmes
Trump has been holding off on the kits, and I understand why, and this is an okay thing for a human being to say out loud.
dan friesen
Yeah, apparently Trump isn't on the cover-up.
That's stuck.
jordan holmes
Okay, so Trump is covering this up because he knows that eventually 90% of people.
So rather than do anything now, he's going to wait until everybody has it, and then we'll release the kits.
dan friesen
Alex seems to think that's better.
I don't know.
Look, don't panic, but also...
unidentified
He's making me...
dan friesen
He doesn't want you to panic.
He said everybody's going to die!
Don't panic.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
You know what you should do?
You should watch Star Trek.
jordan holmes
Oh, I think that's a good idea.
alex jones
I don't think this is even a case to panic because your soul's being killed.
Your consciousness is being drained.
The globalists are destroying our attention spans.
jordan holmes
They're destroying that too?
alex jones
We're already dead anyways.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
It's a great scene.
We're spotting those that it's going to detonate.
They're going to die if he doesn't go into the reactor.
They're all going to die anyways.
Why doesn't he just stop it?
And he goes in and Captain Kirk goes to try to open up the chamber to save him.
And they grab and hold him back and they said, he's dead already.
No, you gotta get in that position.
You're dead already.
You don't just think they started putting fluoride in the water in the late 40s.
dan friesen
Grow up, man.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
You're dead already.
jordan holmes
We're all dead.
Excuse me.
dan friesen
Hey, that clip started with...
There's no reason to panic.
And he multiple times said, you're dead already.
jordan holmes
No, I understand, sir.
We're going to have to ask you to leave.
I know, I know, I know.
Yes, we are all dead already.
I get you.
dan friesen
Most of us.
jordan holmes
But we're going to need you to go.
dan friesen
Well, I'm not going anywhere.
alex jones
And they don't just do all this because they're not going to do it.
They're going to kill you and your family.
jordan holmes
Sir, please.
alex jones
And most of us are already dead.
jordan holmes
There are children.
alex jones
We'll all be getting cancer soon.
We'll all be sterile soon.
It's over.
But what matters is getting your spirit right with God.
dan friesen
There is a very serious tonal shift in this Friday episode where Alex is deep in a place of doom and how everyone's dead already.
It's palpable.
If you listen to his show regularly, you can feel it.
Alex is in a very low place at the beginning of this show.
He's a gigantic narcissist, so I can't help but think that this has something to do with his personal issues.
In the fallout of his DWI, his ex-wife is appealing for custody of the children and a judge appears to be receptive.
As a consequence of this petition, arguing that Alex's home is unsafe for children, it also came out that Alex's current wife was arrested for a DWI in August, and the arrest involved a private investigator that Alex had following her calling the police.
jordan holmes
Okay!
dan friesen
Information about his life, all this stuff paints him in a really fucked up light, is coming to the surface, including the fact that his DWI was the result of his wife calling the police.
After a domestic incident between the two of them.
Like, these things are really pretty fucked up, and he probably is really worried about the consequences of that.
jordan holmes
I don't pretend to be a marriage counselor, but if you're calling a private investigator, I think...
dan friesen
It's not a great sign.
jordan holmes
I think it's probably time to...
dan friesen
Or if you're having one follow your spouse.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
I think that would be time to, like, maybe stop...
dan friesen
It's a kind of, I don't know if I want to say kind of, maybe just straight up abusive.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's 100% abusive.
Absolutely.
I'm hiring someone to spy on you because I love you so much.
dan friesen
It's not, it doesn't, it does not pretend good things.
Simultaneously, Alex initially responded with brash defiance about the media covering him with the silver sales and the way he was doing that.
But by Friday, the New York Attorney General had sent him that letter and it's pretty clear that this was not a problem.
Yeah, that's not good.
We're not dead already.
But the consequences of Alex's actions are catching up to him in a way that he probably can't undo.
When he says that it's already too late and most of us are already dead, that sounds to me like him trying to express that he feels like his ship has sailed.
The New York Attorney General isn't going to hear him do his blustery, defiant speeches and then say, oh, I guess Alex was right.
The DWI may not cause any direct consequences in his life, but it's looking like it could probably cause some serious situations for him indirectly.
And neither of those things are things he can do anything about now.
On a metaphorical level, those are the viruses he's given himself.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
It's not good.
And you can feel it.
jordan holmes
Like, the deep, deep...
dan friesen
And I think that it has to do with the fact that he has to go get alcohol and drug tests because of the custody situation and the fact that he's gotten this letter from the New York Attorney General by Friday.
His mood is so different.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Fuck it, we're dead already.
jordan holmes
That is such why cult leaders are so dangerous.
Once it's circling in on them, they're like, well, we're all dead anyways.
Who wants to get on the fucking spaceship?
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Let's go.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's weird.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex believes that the coronavirus is not only all of the stuff he says already, it's also an attempt to kill Trump and another guy whose name he can't pronounce.
alex jones
So I'm going to lay out the evidence that they are, I mean, God, I heard this weeks ago from folks in the office and I ignored it.
unidentified
Weeks ago.
alex jones
The drumbeat intensified three days ago when they were saying that Trump's infected and Trump's got it and Balasaro.
jordan holmes
Balasaro!
alex jones
And whatever the hate needs to be, you know, has it.
And sure enough, it's just plain.
It's like whatever the worst thing is the globalists can do, they do.
dan friesen
All right.
So it's apparently attempt to kill Trump.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Great.
So, Alex.
Did something I didn't expect on this episode, and that is he directly addresses the fact that the New York Attorney General has sent him a cease and desist letter.
jordan holmes
Alright, okay, here we go.
Let's start some shit.
Head on, baby.
dan friesen
This might not be a good idea.
jordan holmes
Head on into a crisis.
alex jones
And I'm going to show TV viewers that with an overhead shot, and it's a New York AG order.
And then we open it up.
And just look at all those articles.
That's just part of them.
Hundreds of articles.
jordan holmes
This is like an unboxing video.
alex jones
Hundreds attacking Alex Jones.
And what happened?
The New York Attorney General, who is not a fan of Trump, though she is a lovely lady, said, I ordered Alex Jones to immediately stop selling and marketing products as a treatment for a cure for coronavirus on his website.
If he doesn't cease and assist these activities immediately, I won't hesitate to take legal action and hold him accountable for the harm he's caused.
Then she went on to make even more claims that aren't accurate.
And then it got picked up.
But you know what?
Nobody picked up was the actual letter from the Attorney General.
It doesn't say any of that.
But see, they're smart.
They put out a letter, a PR statement that they said was her statement.
And then in very few of the releases did they put.
unidentified
The actual letter.
alex jones
And the mind control is incredible because we're so used to honesty from people.
jordan holmes
Are we?
alex jones
I'm like, no, no, the letter's here.
It's a little link down here.
And in my crew, like for an hour, I'm like, no, no, is he going, sir, here's the letter.
Here's the letter.
I said, listen, that's not a letter.
That's the PR firm.
The legal letter says completely opposite of what they're saying.
dan friesen
There's a letter that Alex was saying is a cease and desist letter.
That's the PR letter.
jordan holmes
That's the PR letter.
dan friesen
And there's a secret second letter.
unidentified
Cool.
dan friesen
Alex talks a little bit more about that here in this next clip.
alex jones
This isn't about Alex Jones.
unidentified
Isn't it?
alex jones
It's about the process.
jordan holmes
What?
alex jones
I was with two lawyers this morning and my crew, and I was not getting mad.
I kept going, um...
jordan holmes
Sounds like you were getting mad.
alex jones
Go out there.
There's another official letter on the letterhead.
It's just right under the email.
They're like, no, no, we have the letter.
I'd be like, no, no, no, that's a PR letter.
And I just kept, like, I said, please, please listen to me.
Listen, they put that out as propaganda.
The real letter's here, and they just, they couldn't, I talked to crew, I would beg them, I'd say, please listen to me, please, please.
jordan holmes
It doesn't sound like you were getting angry.
alex jones
They had put this out, but see, we're all just one-dimensional now, so we see that, and that's how they get us, and they're doing it everywhere like that.
dan friesen
So Alex flashes up on screen the actual letter, the secret second letter.
The secret second letter.
It's not secret.
You can find it on the New York Attorney General's website.
jordan holmes
Why would they put it there?
dan friesen
I'll read it to you in its entirety.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Quote, Dear Mr. Jones.
jordan holmes
I was waiting for you to just be like, stop it!
dan friesen
Might as well be.
The New York State Office of the Attorney General is extremely concerned by your representation during the March 7, 2020 screening of the Alex Jones Show about the efficacy of certain products for sale on your website that you assert will cure or prevent the 2019 novel coronavirus, including DNA Force Plus supplements, SilverSol products, and Super Blue toothpaste.
Notice, not the wound gel.
The 2019 novel coronavirus poses serious consequences to public health and consumers are concerned as to how they can best protect themselves and their families.
Your representations may mislead consumers as to the effectiveness of the above named products in protecting against the current outbreak.
Both the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the World Health Organization have stated that there's no specific medicine to prevent or treat this disease.
Therefore, any misrepresentation that the above-named products are effective at combating and or treating COVID-19 violates New York law.
You're hereby advised to immediately cease and desist from making misleading claims as they violate New York's Consumer Protection Statutes, Executive Law 6312, and General Business Law Article 22A 349 and 349.
...which prohibit fraudulent and deceptive business practices and false advertising.
Within 10 business days, please contact the undersigned to confirm you have complied.
Your failure to comply with this directive may result in further action by this office.
Please be advised that the Office of the Attorney General is authorized pursuant to Executive Law 6312 and General Business Law Article 22A to bring suit to enjoin any deceptive acts and practices and to seek restitution, damages, and penalties up to $5,000 per violation.
So there's also a little footnote.
And that's when it's talking about the InfoWars website.
This is the footnote.
Quote, the InfoWarsStore.com current disclaimer.
These products are not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, prevent any disease.
At the bottom of the product page, in minuscule font size, makes it unlikely that potential customers will read or even see the disclaimer.
So that's a footnote that they have on the other larger cease and desist with the claims that you're making.
About the efficacy and effectiveness of your product.
That's the actual letter that the Attorney General sent to him.
I don't understand exactly what he's trying to say about there being two secret letters.
This is the letter that he showed on screen.
It's the letter that the media is covering.
I don't know.
These two letters that he's imagining are the same letter.
And you can tell here in this next clip.
alex jones
We never said the toothpaste we sell.
I'll play the ad when we come back.
It's about tooth whitening.
It does have nanosilver in a Homeland Security report.
Years ago, talking about antiviral properties.
But see, that's what I mean.
They're really crafty.
They put out a press release that says all these things that aren't true, knowing that's not a legal document.
And the legal document, they just say, hey, you might want to clean your website up.
And the disclaimer at the bottom is not big enough.
But it doesn't say that, see?
And no one sees that.
Because they can't.
They're a dream.
They only see the front page saying letter to the Attorney General.
Think about that.
dan friesen
Think about it.
jordan holmes
This is some sovereign citizen type bullshit here.
dan friesen
No, what he's done is he's taken the footnote that says the font isn't big enough on your disclaimer and pretended that that's the entire letter.
The letter is very clear that you're making misleading statements starting to sell these three products.
So, Alex, good luck.
I mean, I know he can trick his own audience with this, but this is...
Like, if the New York Attorney General follows through with this business...
Alex is in deep trouble.
He's going to be fined a lot of money.
jordan holmes
This is why, we were talking about this whenever the AG first sent the letter to Jim Baker.
It's just like, the NBA has a flagrant foul rule.
Like, this is not a you-have-10-business-days situation.
He has already spent two months freaking people out.
dan friesen
But they didn't know about it up until that point.
jordan holmes
I know!
dan friesen
They may still not even be aware of the...
The pattern of behavior as opposed to just this March 7th episode.
jordan holmes
Maybe not, but this is a situation where it should be legit like, hey, you fucked up.
dan friesen
I don't disagree.
jordan holmes
You're done.
dan friesen
I don't disagree, but I don't want to tell them how to do their business.
jordan holmes
I do!
Alright.
dan friesen
Well, maybe you want to tell Alex how to do his business.
jordan holmes
I would like to do that too!
dan friesen
Alex thinks that if he did do wrong, he should suffer consequences.
I don't think...
unidentified
Oh, okay.
jordan holmes
Well, then we're good.
dan friesen
I don't think he should suffer the same consequences he's looking for.
jordan holmes
I think he's willing to accept responsibility for his actions.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
I think that's what he's saying.
And he's going to take whatever consequences that the law says are fair.
dan friesen
Quite the opposite.
jordan holmes
He doesn't say that?
Oh, okay.
alex jones
Man, if I said I had a cure for somebody that gets coronavirus, I want you to, like, kick my teeth out.
jordan holmes
Stevie Pease does.
alex jones
Because I'm the one that says silver is not a silver bullet.
dan friesen
Wink.
jordan holmes
I don't get it.
alex jones
Just like I say, vaccines are a silver bullet.
Everybody knows that.
You think I'm going to get on air and say, I've got toothpaste that makes you not get sick.
But that's what they say I did.
dan friesen
See, the issue is that Alex is going to really try and hang on to this.
I didn't say it could cure.
But the issue is also claims about prevention.
So that is where he's in trouble.
And that's why when he was claiming to be reading the quote-unquote real letter, he didn't read the part where it said prevention.
jordan holmes
Well, that's not as important.
dan friesen
Because he wants the perception to be that all the media is attacking me, saying I had a product that I said could cure it.
And it's also about the prevention.
So Alex tries to defend himself.
I think he accidentally re-offends.
Of course.
Why wouldn't he?
alex jones
I'm talking to my audience about real things.
I mean, yeah, maybe if a virus goes in your mouth, this is just hypothetical.
I'm just a person talking.
This is what I think personally.
Maybe one goes in your mouth, you've already brushed your teeth with something, maybe it helps some.
We sell it for tooth whitening.
My dad is a licensed dentist.
unidentified
The product says tooth whitening.
alex jones
Tooth whitening.
Super blue whitening toothpaste.
Not cures coronavirus.
dan friesen
Your Honor, my client said, I'm speaking as myself.
jordan holmes
Oh, well then, clearly.
What's he using capital letters whenever he said it, though?
dan friesen
Now, the fact that this is happening after the AG sent the letter is really troubling for Alex.
jordan holmes
He's just too stupid to live.
He's just too stupid.
dan friesen
Now, speaking of stupid.
jordan holmes
He's just so stupid.
dan friesen
This might be one of my favorite clips.
I've ever seen.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
This is so fucking funny.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
This is one of these clips that's really like the disorganization disarray that's going on at the InfoWars studio.
Alex trying to be super defensive and just everything.
It's like he's trying to give like a really serious thing and then like a picture falls off the wall.
It's that kind of a gag.
jordan holmes
It's slapstick.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
alex jones
I'm not saying the products we sell that we've been selling for years are for the damn coronavirus.
And I will not sit here and watch these people do this because they took some clip out of context where I'm reading.
Where is it?
I got it right here.
That's mainstream news about iodine boosting immunity.
I don't even have it here, do I?
I didn't plan this out.
Guys, will you find me?
Oh, here it is.
I got the silver file right here.
Somebody needs to go turn their car off.
Turn mine on, too.
Let's have some fun around here.
Here is the document, ladies and gentlemen.
Oh, look, evil.
Major medical study.
The history of medical use of silver.
And it's a big university report on it and all the ways it's used.
dan friesen
Oh man.
Oh man.
Oh car horns.
This is a professional operation.
I've never heard anything like that on this show.
It's so weird.
jordan holmes
I just can't.
Oh, God, that's so great.
That's just so great.
dan friesen
So that's weird.
That was really fun.
But that thing he's talking about there at the end, the historical uses of silver, that's not a study.
That's a review of literature that was published in the Journal of Surgical Infection.
jordan holmes
Sorry, there's a card.
dan friesen
It was published back in 2009.
The conclusion of that paper is that in ancient times, silver had a lot of important antimicrobial functions, but it wasn't really all that important after we...
Got antibiotics.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
We figured that out.
jordan holmes
Those were good.
dan friesen
That study and paper in no way justifies Alex's sales tactics.
It's not a clinical trial of the efficacy of silver as it relates to the prevention or cure of any condition.
It's a literature review.
If this is the best he's got, he is straight fucked.
Also, super weirdly, that whole stretch there when he's talking about his teeth being kicked in and when he accidentally sells his toothpaste as a prevention.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
The car horns going off.
jordan holmes
It happens.
dan friesen
You know what?
All that stuff was cut from the episode that was posted to band.video.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's a surprise!
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's a surprise to me!
dan friesen
I wonder why they do that.
jordan holmes
That's a surprise!
dan friesen
Yeah.
I've also not seen that happen.
Ten minutes of the episode just completely cut out.
jordan holmes
Just gone.
Just gone?
dan friesen
Yeah.
Another weird thing I noticed because I was going back and trying to find the video of Alex having car horns go off.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
God, that's so good.
dan friesen
One thing I noticed is that the intro bumper music that he uses...
A lot of the times, isn't in the version that he puts on his website.
I suspect that Alex himself doesn't have the rights to use those songs, but there's an agreement that Genesis Communications Network has, so he can't play some of those songs without violating copyright streams on his own site, which is wild, wild stuff.
That and the car horns are like, you running a...
This place is held together with duct tape.
jordan holmes
What are you doing?
That's too good.
Look, if there's a car horn outside our window...
Fine.
We're not a professional fucking studio.
dan friesen
No, certainly not.
So, the car horns are hilarious.
And I think that's really funny.
jordan holmes
That he turned his own car horn on is maybe the best.
That's the best.
Like, he couldn't stop himself.
He was magnetized.
dan friesen
You couldn't write that.
jordan holmes
You just couldn't.
dan friesen
So, that's funny.
But unfortunately, the car horns also had another unfortunate side effect.
alex jones
I tried to take off about a month ago for the first vacation in a year and I'm not complaining.
I just I need a vacation.
I need to reset.
unidentified
And I was going to try to take off.
alex jones
I want to take your phone calls now.
dan friesen
The car horns have convinced him that this place can't run without him.
jordan holmes
He was in the studio.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, it's obviously because everybody else is incompetent, Dan.
Everyone else but me is bad at their job.
God, if I was a caller, I would just call and just turn my car horn on.
Why wouldn't you do that?
You'd be insane not to.
dan friesen
Well, Alex is pissed.
Like, I don't know if it's the car horns.
I don't know if it's the New York AG sending him that letter.
jordan holmes
There's that one.
dan friesen
But when he goes to calls, he is not, like, he's not in the kind of mood you'd want to talk to him on the phone.
alex jones
I'm taking it.
steve pieczenik
You can hear my, get the audio correct.
alex jones
Yeah, I gotta give each caller about a minute or two, bro.
I can't do the test, test, test.
I hear you good, man.
unidentified
No, okay, cool.
alex jones
Well, let me guess.
You can't hear me, right?
It's real low audio to you.
steve pieczenik
Yeah, to me, but I got you.
alex jones
Yeah, that's our biggest problem, the calls.
They just don't sit in the fire.
They're not going to stop it.
So, I'm sorry to sway this.
We're all dead.
Sure, go ahead and make a point.
dan friesen
Three-pointed, brother.
jordan holmes
You're dead.
alex jones
I'll let you go in about a minute.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
That's not good.
jordan holmes
You got no time.
Say what you want to say, dum-dum, and let's go.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So this caller suggests that, you know, the kids are going to be out of school because the schools are closed.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And what comes next?
Curfews.
Also, this call does not go well.
unidentified
Well, what do you think is coming next?
Curfews.
Cool.
dan friesen
Wow.
Alex is checked out.
unidentified
Not playing yes and not playing yes and guys like I think curfews are coming.
dan friesen
Oh, what do you think is next?
Curfews.
jordan holmes
Cool.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You got to bring something hot if you're going to come today.
dan friesen
So another caller calls in and talks about a narrative that Alex had already put out a while back.
And that was the, there was a job posting on jobs.gov or whatever in November.
And it's a conspiracy.
And Alex talks to him and he's like, yeah, yeah, that's right.
That's right.
And then Alex gets off the phone with him and he is fucking pissed off that he had forgotten about that narrative.
alex jones
And by the way, I wasn't trying to be a jerk to the last caller on the next one.
I'm pissed that I can't get to college quicker.
Okay?
I want to get to all of you.
I want to shut up and I want to get to you.
But then I've got to like, because I'm slow.
I'm like, hey, say that again.
And I'm like, wait, wait a minute.
I had that a week ago.
I barely.
I get mad at myself.
I'm like, why didn't you?
I'm just trying to tell you why I'm a jerk.
Okay, folks?
Because I am a jerk.
Okay?
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
It's not you.
I'm just overloaded, man.
And I'm not complaining.
I'm just saying.
It's like I already knew what he was saying was true.
And then I'm pissed that he's telling me this and I didn't cover it!
Because we made a huge deal.
I'm going to say this.
We're going to go to break.
I said I'd get to four calls.
I got to two.
I failed.
I'm coming back.
I'll go to three calls next second.
Or I'm going to hit myself in the face.
How about...
Seriously.
Maybe I put a dog shock call on myself.
jordan holmes
I'm not joking.
alex jones
And if I don't go to the number of callers, I say I'm shocked for real.
Plus, that'll get the ratings.
Get folks to tune in and see what's going on.
unidentified
Boo.
dan friesen
It's man-made.
Alex is going to punch himself in the face if he doesn't get to the right amount of calls.
jordan holmes
All I can tell you is that that is a man who is not under any stress at all.
dan friesen
And you know he can't get to calls at all.
Why do you have to raise the stakes?
You know you're not going to live up to that amount, but it's not enough.
That he says he's going to punch himself in the face.
He has to make it even more extreme.
jordan holmes
Wear a dog collar.
dan friesen
And he goes even further.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
That's like intermediate stuff.
jordan holmes
Okay, all right.
alex jones
I'm going to take three calls this segment.
I'm going to take four calls next segment, or I'm going to just walk off the show.
My fault if I don't get it done.
jordan holmes
Walk off the show.
Walk off the show.
dan friesen
How many calls do you think he gets to?
jordan holmes
One.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
Of course he gets to one.
What world would he get to three?
dan friesen
He gets to one call, and then he has an emergency interview with Francis Boyle.
Sure.
jordan holmes
An emergency interview with Francis Boyle is a sentence that nobody has ever said.
dan friesen
He doesn't end up meeting these quotas, and he also doesn't walk off the show?
Nope.
jordan holmes
Does he punch himself in the face?
unidentified
Nope.
dan friesen
Maybe metaphorically, though, because he does keep selling his silver.
jordan holmes
What an idiot.
alex jones
They launched this giant attack.
And now they don't want to tell you what nanosilver and colloidal silver does.
Folks, the studies...
Don't buy my products.
This is not about my products.
Go look at how nanosilver coat cells and how it kills viruses.
jordan holmes
No.
You idiot.
alex jones
It glompses onto viruses and stuff too, but it glompses onto cells.
And it's like, the silver's like, no, the cell's mine.
dan friesen
So...
I don't think a defense in court is going to be, I prefaced it by saying, don't buy my silver.
jordan holmes
I don't think that works.
Fascists are just too dumb.
How do we let fascists win?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Every time, they're just so goddamn stupid.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
So, Alex...
Has Francis Boyle on, and who cares?
It's all the same shit.
It's all the same Francis Boyle nonsense.
jordan holmes
I don't need to hear anything from him ever again.
dan friesen
But there's one thing that happens that's interesting, and that Alex has a new claim about why everyone's covering his DWI and silver shit.
You know, obviously it's CIA Mockingbird.
Naturally.
jordan holmes
That's only first step.
dan friesen
But Alex actually has, like, real information.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
And by the way, I just got to say this because I don't want to inject myself in here, but I confirmed through lawyers that just having you and others on pissed them off so somebody inside the CDC put the word out to try to shut us down.
I'm sure you've seen the news.
They're everywhere.
They're calling for SWAT team raids on us right now, doctor.
francis a boyle
That would not surprise me.
dan friesen
So, Alex has had Francis Boyle and Mike Adams on, which he's had on for years.
jordan holmes
Stevie Peas.
dan friesen
The last time there was an outbreak, Francis Boyle was on calling it a bioweapon.
All this stuff is exactly the same.
What happened this time that didn't happen last time?
jordan holmes
I don't know.
dan friesen
DWI.
Alex selling his silver.
There's that.
Maybe that's the variable.
But no, he's confirmed with lawyers that someone at the CDC got mad at him, and so they're doing all this to him.
jordan holmes
Lawyers talk!
The CDC has lawyers, Alex has lawyers, they all get together, they all chat and gossip, and then that's how you get all that information.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Everybody knows that.
dan friesen
So Alex talks about how the coronavirus attacks the testicles, and he's like, this is about reducing the sperm count.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's a study that's not peer-reviewed yet.
It's still preliminary.
More work needs to be done on that front before people like Alex should be reporting on it.
Alex does get to this call.
He takes more calls later, but not in the segment where he said he was going to.
I should be clear about that.
He does get to a couple calls.
I still don't think he hits the number he was looking for.
jordan holmes
He's supposed to hit seven in two segments.
dan friesen
And he does not do that.
jordan holmes
Okay, well then we're fine.
dan friesen
But anyway, he talks to this caller and...
What they're bringing forth is dumb.
unidentified
And also, why are we not seeing any of these families of these people that died doing interviews?
alex jones
If this was a shooting, if this was a...
No, I agree.
It's a giant power grab.
The whole thing's synthetic.
unidentified
Before the body was dead.
Before the body was cold.
dan friesen
Maybe privacy issues.
Maybe they're also quarantined.
There's a number of reasons.
jordan holmes
Somebody...
Brick this woman inside her house.
Just build a wall around this woman.
She cannot be allowed out into the general populace.
dan friesen
It's not something that you would be wildly suspicious about, but I looked into it and a number of family members of people have spoken to places like the LA Times.
jordan holmes
I've read on Twitter a bunch of people.
Yeah.
No, fuck off.
You're not finding it doesn't mean it's not happening.
dan friesen
Right.
So now Alex starts thinking about...
One of his family members getting the virus.
And he starts thinking about how he will kill.
The globalists.
jordan holmes
See, now that's probably not the right response.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
If you were a healthy human being.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And we've heard him periodically brag about stomping people to death.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And what have you.
jordan holmes
He's a noted murderer.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And I think that he takes it even further in this next clip.
Mic down for this because he says something and then clearly stops himself in the middle of it.
I think it's important to hear that.
alex jones
It's not some big tough guy thing.
It's...
Killing people is like taking a crap.
It's so easy.
I mean, it really is, folks.
It's like eating food or having sex or taking a dump, man.
It's like we're meant to do it.
You know, these people, you got to train guys to kill people?
You got to train me to kill people?
I'll do it all day long.
It's so easy.
I know how to do it.
dan friesen
Right before he says, I know how to do it, he says, I'll...
He was going to say I love it.
jordan holmes
He was going to say I love killing people.
I love killing people.
Is Alex Jones the Zodiac Killer?
What the fuck is going on?
Was Alex Jones' dad a famous serial killer and now we're in some sort of Dexter situation where he was trained to serial kill from when he was a child and this whole fucking radio thing is a cover up for a serious murder addiction?
dan friesen
I don't believe him.
Me neither.
But this is what he wants people to think about him.
Yeah.
He wants his audience to see him as somebody who maybe likes to kill people.
unidentified
Ugh.
dan friesen
It's so fucked up.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, if you are somebody, like, I don't know, his dad?
Like, you...
jordan holmes
What are you doing?
unidentified
Your son is admitting to murders and saying he likes to kill people on air.
dan friesen
Also, by the way, I can't imagine this playing well in the motion that his ex-wife has filed in court.
Playing for the judge, I like to kill people.
jordan holmes
No, they don't allow stuff that's on the show.
He's a character.
Fucking...
This is how a nine-year-old thinks that people would think about, like, a nine-year-old who has only ever watched fucking action movies and murder and violence over and over and over on screen thinks that this is how you behave as a man.
A real man loves killing, does what needs to be done while all the other weak people can't do it and all that shit.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
You're fucking stupid.
dan friesen
Yep.
So Alex brags about how his people are going to kill all the globalists.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And this is where Alex gets even more depressed sounding.
alex jones
I've already won my people who are our people.
jordan holmes
Quite.
alex jones
And I am their people.
unidentified
Quite.
alex jones
We're going to kill you.
And so just let them know, hey, jerks, we know you're behind all this.
And we know what you pulled.
And you're not going to rest.
Well, you did this, and that's all.
I mean, I really actually completed my mission.
I'm not going to commit suicide and never do it, but let me tell you something.
I've been working really hard, man, and I just, I want everybody to know, like, I want to keep going forever, but I'm not scared at all.
I'm ready to meet God, and I want the globalists to know you're going to die, and you're going to go to hell, and we're going to get you.
I appreciate your call, Janet.
We have another guest on right now, don't we?
unidentified
Oh, boy.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's not good.
dan friesen
So Alex is really in this headspace about, like, I've completed my mission.
There's a fatalisticness to this that I don't believe any of the things he says.
Obviously, he's full of shit.
What I hear is a way of talking about the consequences that are piling down on him without being real about them.
I would imagine that at some point, Alex...
Maybe had a lawyer talk to him and said, this letter from the New York Attorney General's office...
jordan holmes
No, the PR statement.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
No, it's a PR statement.
No, look at the second letter.
dan friesen
I think maybe someone was able to get through to him that this isn't going to go away just by yelling about this letter that you got from your silver supplier.
It is not.
You have breached this.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and AG isn't coming down on Rob Dew, buddy.
Right.
Dew is going to make it out fine.
dan friesen
I think...
I think that he realizes there might be some shit coming.
And so he gets into the headspace where the way to present that is, I've completed my mission.
I'm ready to die.
And let's reference rock songs.
alex jones
In the final equation, it's like that Iron Maiden song, The Trooper, that we can go out to break.
Let's try to queue up The Trooper in a minute, if you guys can do it.
Let's play a minute of The Trooper.
Because you'll fire a musket, but I'll run you through.
And when you're waiting for the next attack, you better stand, because there's no falling back.
I'm a soldier.
jordan holmes
If it rhymes, it's true.
alex jones
It's like a farmer.
I'm ready to die, and they don't know how to deal with somebody like that.
Like, I'm so ready to die.
But I want to make sure on the way down...
I take you with me.
And they're so scared of that.
They don't know what to do when somebody's ready to die.
They don't know what to do.
They sit there all night long.
They're scared.
And they sit there on their knees to their God, the devil, begging for power and begging for Satan to empower them to defeat us.
They will not defeat us.
jordan holmes
Dad, why are we listening to this?
alex jones
They will burn in hell.
It's like that Twisted Sister song.
You're going to burn in hell.
jordan holmes
You're gonna burn in hell.
alex jones
You're not gonna get victory.
And all your money and power means nothing when you're a slave.
dan friesen
You know how 24 hours prior, Alex was joking about how the ladies loved that voice with Milo?
Now that voice being deployed very differently.
So, Alex has Mike Adams come in, because he cancelled all his guests, so why not have two?
jordan holmes
Yeah, why not?
dan friesen
So Mike comes on, and it's really interesting, because...
He's advising exactly what the mainstream media advises.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
mike adams
But the bottom line, Alex, is the only thing that stops this now is social distancing, extreme shutdowns.
jordan holmes
Globally!
mike adams
Which are starting to begin.
And folks, it's not a conspiracy to try to embarrass Trump.
This is literally the only medical way to stop this.
dan friesen
Huh.
That seems to be the opposite of a lot of things Alex says.
jordan holmes
Man, this is...
I have genuinely gotten stuck in this, like...
So much stuff doesn't seem real right now.
And this broadcast, it feels made up.
It feels like you made this up.
dan friesen
No, totally.
jordan holmes
It feels surreal beyond...
This is a dream.
dan friesen
I think I could write it better.
This is really disjointed.
It's kind of all over the place.
jordan holmes
Well, that's why you edit it down to what we can do.
dan friesen
No, I mean, even the best I can do is still a bit disjointed.
This is crazy.
jordan holmes
This is unreal.
dan friesen
So, Alex and Mike are talking, and I think that they make it, or not they, I think Mike's trying to keep the facade up a little bit, but Alex is way too overt about the fact that, like, hey, look, we've been lying.
No matter what the case is with this virus, Trump could use it to close the borders and do all our authoritarian shit that we want him to do.
jordan holmes
Unreal.
dan friesen
Alex is way too obvious about it.
mike adams
He's pulling himself out of the trap now.
The next thing that needs to happen is he's got to deploy the military to the southern border.
Block the border.
Block all illegal traffic today, right now.
alex jones
Exactly.
Use the crisis to fix the real crisis.
mike adams
Well, yeah, and remember, there are going to be infected people from Central America coming through Mexico.
alex jones
You know, it's a giant criminal inflow of drugs and stuff that saps the country's energy.
So let's just up front, instead of just saying, oh, stop virus, let's just say, no, we're shutting the damn country down.
dan friesen
Oh.
I mean, how could we forget about how many years Alex has been screaming about Rahm Emanuel saying, never let a good crisis go to waste?
jordan holmes
Yeah!
dan friesen
What are you talking about, Alex?
jordan holmes
He's an evil man.
Rahm Emanuel's so evil.
dan friesen
Yes, Alex is too.
jordan holmes
Well, that's why it's okay for Alex to do it, because Rahm is evil.
dan friesen
So Alex earlier said that he wasn't telling people to, you know, flee the cities or anything.
That's what he has Mike for.
He's there.
To give the synthesis or be the dialectic or whatever.
So here's Mike fulfilling his role.
mike adams
You know, if you're in the country, you're in much better shape right now.
If you're in the city, you're in a death zone.
And that's a mistake.
You might want to get out while you can.
If you can't, you better be prepared to hunker down and survive a zombie wave that's coming.
jordan holmes
That's the truth.
mike adams
Uncensored.
dan friesen
So, it's over for humanity.
There will only be lone survivors.
Get out of the city.
It's a death zone.
jordan holmes
A lot of zombies, huh?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So Mike is still on his bullshit about how this is a prelude for a Chinese land invasion.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
I forgot about that.
dan friesen
Now, he has added a wrinkle to this narrative that can't coexist with Alex's narratives.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And I find that very interesting.
These two are not on the same page at all.
mike adams
Now that they've softened up America with this first wave, and China allowing their people to have the infections first means that they have achieved immunity first.
alex jones
And then they create the narrative that China's the victim, they're not bad, and then they have the perfect bio-weapon launch point.
That's how you would do this.
mike adams
Well, exactly.
And the fact that they're willing to sacrifice so many of their people and then achieve immunity quickly with a draconian lockdown means they will now have a mobile military force that is immune to the virus that can literally invade and survive California if they choose to do that.
Because their troops won't be affected by the virus.
They're already immune.
dan friesen
So Mike seems to not be up on the narrative of Alex's that the virus keeps coming back.
You don't have an immunity to it.
So that kind of is a problem.
This is completely incompatible.
jordan holmes
I'm going to say this right now.
Look, as long as China takes out Mike Adams...
They can invade.
dan friesen
Strong disagree.
jordan holmes
Now, I'm not saying take out.
I'm just saying, you know, like before midnight.
You know, they take out.
dan friesen
Strong disagree, if only because I don't think that's a fair trade.
jordan holmes
I think it's a fair trade.
dan friesen
I'm not sure.
jordan holmes
I'll take it.
dan friesen
So, Alex and Mike wrap up their interview.
And Alex doesn't even recognize how that is completely...
Contradictory to his beliefs.
He doesn't care.
jordan holmes
No beliefs at all.
dan friesen
No, and he doesn't.
This is such a sad burpee plug that he makes to go out to break.
alex jones
We have the SilverSol products.
We have all the great toothpaste and immune gargle back in stock, but it's going to sell out.
Watch, it'll be sold out by like Tuesday.
It's crazy.
But I just want to keep the show on the air.
These are great products you already need, but let me tell you.
I actually wish we weren't selling products this way.
It's a very sick feeling right now.
dan friesen
Holy shit.
unidentified
Holy shit!
jordan holmes
This is like you writing a scene where a guy like Alex melts down.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
This is exactly what it would look like.
dan friesen
I mean, you could interpret what Alex is saying two ways.
There's the way he wants you to interpret it, which is, I wish I wasn't selling all these products because people need them in a terrible situation and they're buying them and that means that the situation's terrible.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's the most generous reading of that.
Sure.
But in reality...
I mean, he probably feels a certain amount of guilt about knowing that his silver isn't going to do shit for people, and he's been pushing it so hard.
He has to have some sort of a guilt about what he's doing.
This is a real situation for people.
jordan holmes
Well, now that he's depressed, he can't ward off the guilt with his massive ability to deny reality.
Like, that's the great equalizer of depression.
Unfortunately, sometimes it does show you reality, and it's a real bummer.
dan friesen
And now he has already said he's never drinking again.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Oh, not going to be able to cope well with it.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Alex, weed's legal.
Come on, buddy.
Calm it down.
dan friesen
Legalize it!
jordan holmes
Take it down a notch.
dan friesen
Alex grows out dreadlocks.
Or he just comes in with a wig.
That'd be great.
So we have one last clip.
I thought that was the end of the show, but then he came in for the fourth hour a little bit and took a couple calls.
They were confrontational at best, but not all that interesting.
One guy calls in and is like, hey, you guys who went down to Virginia for that gun rally.
Yeah, you know what happened?
The fucking governor put up a wall.
You guys didn't do shit.
But it's not a guy who's attacking from the left.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
dan friesen
This is a guy who's like, you...
jordan holmes
Why didn't you murder everybody?
dan friesen
The governor is killing babies, and you guys didn't do shit.
jordan holmes
You said you loved murder.
You said you loved killing, and you didn't kill the one time you had the chance?
dan friesen
Alex can't really handle it, and he just is like, oh, yeah, you think that we're the bad guys, not the governor.
Oh, yeah.
It's like, all right, Alex, don't grow up.
Yeah, it's nonsense.
jordan holmes
You're nine.
dan friesen
But there's one clip here from that little end segment that just really makes me think that what we're doing is preparing.
What we're doing is preparing the audience that, like, consequences are mounting and there's a decent chance that you won't be able to get his way out of it.
alex jones
I feel like I've almost completed my mission.
I feel so exhausted.
The Holy Spirit is just patting on the head saying, you did a good job, son.
I think something really big and bad is about to happen.
And I think I may be taken out.
At least off air very soon.
And I don't say that to be dramatic.
I want to tell you all I love you and I appreciate you.
But there's a lot of big stuff going on.
Maybe that's going to change.
But Trump is set any minute to declare an actual emergency.
It was already cleared three weeks ago.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
It wasn't.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
You just hear their sense of, like, preparation.
And, I mean, the thing that's really difficult about this is, like, how much do you take seriously?
I don't.
I don't know what's going to happen.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But, like, when he was financially broke before all this stuff happened and he was able to move massive sales.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Before that, he was in a place where he was very clearly preparing the audience for the eventual non-existence of Infowars.
He was saved at the last minute, and I think he was feeling the need to do that because of the circumstances that surrounded him.
Just because that didn't end up being the reality and the eventuality makes it look like, oh, he was just being dramatic.
But I don't think he was.
I think he was behaving in a way that made total sense.
jordan holmes
And I think here...
dan friesen
You see an expression of very similar feelings on his part.
He's looking at the surrounding context of his life and being like, I might be taking off air soon.
But he should take the week off!
jordan holmes
No!
This is the moment that he's...
This is the crisis where it's like, stop.
Go to rehab.
Get into counseling.
Fucking...
Do this shit, and then there might be a show to come back to.
But if you keep going, there will no longer be a show.
dan friesen
It feels like the kind of moment before you go off a cliff.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
You got one chance.
dan friesen
And there's no part of me that thinks that car's not going off a cliff.
jordan holmes
Oh, no, no.
He's Thelma and Louising all the way to the end.
dan friesen
There's no feeling that I have that he has any kind of ability.
And I don't think he has a support structure in place, clearly.
jordan holmes
Absolutely not.
dan friesen
Clearly, the people around him are not...
If they would allow him to cancel his week vacation because of car horns or whatever, that means that no one is going to check him at all.
And the fact that he's continuing to behave very similarly in order to sell his silver, even after getting this letter from the New York Attorney General, means that he's not even able or willing to adjust his behavior when the consequences are made clear to him.
And that's a real sign of trouble.
jordan holmes
No, he's got to lose it all.
dan friesen
So I'm not going to make a prediction about what's going to happen, but I can see from his behavior, from the changing tone, the sort of triumphant, bombastic glee of the 12th, when the media started covering...
his silver stuff when he thought he could fight it by yelling and being like, I've got these studies.
Suck it, Mother Jones.
Yeah.
unidentified
To the 13th when he's like, oh, I'm still going to be defiant, but I'm really fucking depressed.
dan friesen
Everyone's going to die.
jordan holmes
I'm so mad just because if he did have a support structure, they would just be like, hey, fucking quit.
Go to rehab.
Go to counseling.
dan friesen
I don't think we'd be here.
jordan holmes
Take some time.
And then...
Come back and run the Jordan Belfort grift.
You know, you can still run the grift.
Just do it from the other direction.
You're reformed now or whatever.
You'll be fine.
dan friesen
The Jim Baker grift.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
Just lie better later.
dan friesen
But unfortunately, the Jim Baker grift led to the exact same space.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
No, that's what I'm saying.
That's why you do the motivational speaker or the like, these are the perils of going down this pathway and I live this life.
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't know.
jordan holmes
That's easy.
He's got the charisma for it.
dan friesen
I don't know what the path forward is.
I'm disappointed that he's not taking a week off.
For my sake and for his, honestly.
I was looking forward to not paying attention to the present day stuff.
It's now gotten to the point where his narrative is compacted.
We can expect that largely those will be the pieces that move forward and he'll try to filter any news that happens through those.
And so I think there'll be a little bit of stagnation.
I feel it even in these episodes a bit.
As there is tons of stuff happening in the real world surrounding the coronavirus, his content seems to have stagnated because he acted while the concrete was wet.
And now it's solidified a little bit and it becomes a little bit less interesting from a covering him perspective.
jordan holmes
Well, not just that, but the real world, so much is going on, and because Alex is a narcissist...
dan friesen
I can't cover that.
jordan holmes
Alex is just a narcissist that on his show, the only stuff that's going on is stuff that's happening personally to him.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
And that's what the world is dealing with.
dan friesen
Yeah.
The world is dealing with that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
dan friesen
So, I mean, we'll see.
We'll see what happens.
I may...
I may peace out and do another sort of like a wacky Wednesday, even if he's in studio.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no.
dan friesen
Because if that's where he's at on Friday, I don't know where he's going to be on Sunday.
Maybe he'll be back to normal.
Maybe he took a nap.
jordan holmes
Who knows?
dan friesen
He's back to normal.
Or maybe it's way worse.
I don't fucking know.
jordan holmes
We'll find out.
dan friesen
But we'll be back.
jordan holmes
We will be back.
dan friesen
But until then, we have a website.
jordan holmes
We do have a website.
It's knowledgefight.com.
dan friesen
You bet.
We're also on Twitter.
jordan holmes
We are on Twitter.
It's at knowledge underscore fight and at go to bed Jordan.
dan friesen
That's correct.
We're also on Facebook.
jordan holmes
We are on Facebook.
And if you'd like to download the show, please go to iTunes, download, rate, review, leave a message, donate to the show.
You know the deal.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
We'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX Clark.
I taught Anthony Fauci at Cornell.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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