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Jan. 20, 2020 - Knowledge Fight
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#389: January 15-17, 2020

Today, Dan and Jordan take a look at how Alex Jones carried out his business at the end of last week. In this installment, Alex does everything in his power to stress that if there's trouble at the rally in Richmond, it will be a false flag. Also, Alex tries to interview a baby, which is not a joke.

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alex jones
31:54
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dan friesen
01:41:21
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jordan holmes
35:18
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jeremy brown
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unidentified
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
Dan and Jordan.
I love you.
your word knowledge fight knowledge fight.com I love you Hey, everybody!
dan friesen
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
unidentified
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty bevs, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
And apparently we like to abbreviate things now.
dan friesen
And do finger guns at you.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
This is a new cruise part of our show, right?
dan friesen
I moved the desk a little bit across the room and opened things up in here, and now I'm shortening words.
What's up?
jordan holmes
Dan, quick question.
I think this one's going to be a fun one.
What are your top three Fast and Furious films?
And I will include Hobbs and Shaw, should you so desire.
dan friesen
I don't know.
It's really hard to rank the later ones, but I'll tell you for sure that one isn't in the top three.
jordan holmes
Too grounded?
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Too down to earth?
dan friesen
I have a very soft spot in my heart for Too Fast, Too Furious.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Just because the name is hilarious.
Yeah, it is very funny.
My friends named their cat Two Cookie, Two Puss.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
It was the second cat after Cookie Puss went away.
unidentified
Naturally.
dan friesen
And so Two Cookie, Two Puss.
A lot of strong...
And I was just the right age.
Went too fast.
And Ludacris is in it.
He's amazing.
That's when he came around.
jordan holmes
That's when he came into his own as an actor, too.
dan friesen
I enjoyed the hell out of that one.
I would say it shouldn't be in the top three, but I'm going to put four in my top three.
jordan holmes
Which one is that?
unidentified
Fast and Furious 4 or 4 Furious?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
4 Furious discount.
dan friesen
The only reason that one gets into the top is because I went to go see that with my buddies in Missouri, my dickhole friends.
We almost got kicked out of the theater because we were laughing so hard.
jordan holmes
It's a funny movie.
dan friesen
Yeah, me and my buddy Berger were laughing real hard at that stuff, and we got shushed aggressively by people around us.
We were very high and probably drunk.
But that experience was really fun.
Sure.
Being indignant about, like, why are you taking this seriously?
jordan holmes
The movie is almost a tertiary experience.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
And then, I don't know, one of the later ones.
dan friesen
All of them.
All of the later ones.
jordan holmes
I always found Fast Five to be a very funny name.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I have no idea why.
dan friesen
Yeah, I think Four might have been Fast and Furious.
I think that might have been the one they took the author.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that was...
dan friesen
I can't quite remember.
Oh, Tokyo Drift was great, too.
jordan holmes
You love Tokyo Drift.
Underrated.
Underrated.
dan friesen
Little Bow Wow is up in there.
That guy, one of the actors in it is from Missouri.
Everyone was really proud of that.
jordan holmes
He's a Missouri hero now.
dan friesen
Yeah, absolutely.
There was a lot of talk about that when the movie came out.
And they drifted.
jordan holmes
Yes, they did.
dan friesen
The DK.
jordan holmes
They made very sure to add that into the movie.
dan friesen
I think I saw that with Berger also.
My buddy Berger.
He likes to drive fast more than anyone else I knew.
And I think, as I recall, we saw that together.
And they keep calling him DK because he's the Drift King.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Sure, sure.
Berger was like, someone's going to make a Donkey Kong joke.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
And then, of course.
You know, an hour into the movie, someone calls him Donkey Kong.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Anyway, fun memories of seeing Fast and Furious movies.
unidentified
Fun.
jordan holmes
Fun times.
dan friesen
I know a bit about it, but I refuse to strongly rank.
But I do know a lot about Alex Jones, and I'll rank him as poor.
jordan holmes
He's in my bottom three, all-time Alex Joneses.
dan friesen
Yeah, so Jordan, today we've got an episode to go over.
We cannot get out of the present day because everything keeps happening.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they refuse to stop doing stuff.
dan friesen
Yeah, so we must pay attention and see what's up.
So today we're going to be going over January 15th through 17th, which is Wednesday through Friday of last week.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And, you know, there's been...
Currently, right now, as we're recording this, is Sunday.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
And into next week, Alex Jones is out of studio.
He is making a trip to the East Coast.
He is going to Virginia for that rally on Monday in Richmond.
jordan holmes
No!
dan friesen
He is going to be in D.C., I don't know, yelling at a building while Trump is having his impeachment hearing.
unidentified
I like it.
dan friesen
According to Alex.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So he's on that trip, but the preamble to it is this three-day stretch at the end of last week.
And I think there's some trouble.
I think there's some pretty fucking hilarious things that happen, too.
But also very irresponsible, very horrible lies that Alex is putting out into the world that could have pretty bad consequences, all things considered.
But also may just be his normal standard fare, where he lies and people just incorporate.
unidentified
Sure, sure, sure.
jordan holmes
Toss it in there.
dan friesen
Yeah, so we'll get into a bunch of this, but before we do that, we've got to take a moment to say thank you to Paul Walker and everybody who has signed up to support the show.
jordan holmes
Yes, absolutely.
Rest in power, Paul.
dan friesen
So first, Jeff, thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Jeff.
dan friesen
Thank you, Jeff.
Next.
Dan, great name.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Dan.
dan friesen
Thank you, Dan.
Next, Tara, or maybe Tara?
Not entirely sure, but either way, thank you very much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Next, John S. Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Thanks, John S. Thank you.
Next, John F. Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Thanks, John F. Thank you, John F. Next, Lee, L-E-I-G-H.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Lee.
dan friesen
Thank you, Lee.
And then finally, I'd like to say thank you to a couple people who donated on an elevated level, and we appreciate that very much.
So first of all, Catcher, thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
And Mr. Kevin, thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
Crikey, mate.
That's fantastic.
Have yourself a brew.
How's your 401k doing, bro?
All right, we got to go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, all right?
Let's just get down to business.
We ain't making that money off that heroin.
Why are you pimp so good?
My neck is freakishly large.
I declare Infowar on you.
dan friesen
Thank you so much, Catcher and Mr. Kevin.
jordan holmes
Yes, thank you very much.
We gotta ask Catcher if he's been stealing signs.
News.
dan friesen
Oh, yeah.
jordan holmes
Keep up.
dan friesen
It should be illegal.
jordan holmes
I'm fine with it.
dan friesen
I don't really know.
alex jones
I'm fine with Gene.
dan friesen
I don't have a position on baseball rules.
jordan holmes
I even like performance-enhancing drugs.
I'm all about them.
dan friesen
I think it's silly that the infield fly rule exists.
jordan holmes
How dare you?
Let's fight about it.
dan friesen
I have no idea.
jordan holmes
That would wind up leading to a triple play.
dan friesen
I do not know if I'm making a sound argument.
I do not know anything about baseball.
jordan holmes
Don't worry about it.
dan friesen
Have I ever told you my big fantasy about baseball?
jordan holmes
No.
The whole team?
dan friesen
I'd like to randomly be in a game where I'm in a position to hit a walk-off home run.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Like Robert Redford in The Natural.
dan friesen
Sure.
Whatever.
However I get there is inconsequential.
jordan holmes
That's fine.
Gotcha.
dan friesen
So I'm there.
I hit this walk-off home run.
Immediately drop down, crab walk the bases.
jordan holmes
To really piss everyone off.
Oh man, you don't know about the unwritten rules of baseball.
You would be murdered.
dan friesen
I've been told that.
jordan holmes
Imagine a 97 mile an hour fastball at your head.
dan friesen
See, this tells me that baseball has a cultural problem that needs to be...
jordan holmes
Massive.
It's a nightmare.
dan friesen
They need to do some...
There needs to be a reformation within this baseball culture.
Anyway, thank you so much, Catcher and Mr. Kevin.
jordan holmes
Yes, thank you very much.
dan friesen
If you're out there listening and you're thinking, hey, I enjoy this show, I'd like to support what these gents do, you can do that by going to our website, knowledgefight.com, clicking the button that says support the show.
jordan holmes
It'd be lovely.
dan friesen
So, right off the bat, Jordan, I'm going to, well, actually, let's start with an out-of-context drop.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
You want to put something on my tombstone?
Awake!
I am awake!
dan friesen
No, he's dead.
That's the last thing you'd want out of a tombstone.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's the worst.
dan friesen
He was awake, maybe.
I don't know.
It's the wrong place for that epitaph.
Anyway, I want to say that I'm going to dismiss something that I think that everyone's probably interested in hearing a take on, which is that there have been some videos that have come out of Alex at the Women's March in D.C. He's rolling around town in his dumb tank.
These are all just videos that InfoWars has put out, and I'm not really seeing a ton of folks taking the bait and amplifying it, and I think that's a positive.
I'm not particularly interested in this frivolous and desperate attempt to get free press.
It kind of just makes me sad, like seeing a child acting out to get attention.
If you're that kid's parent, you need to take that behavior seriously, but otherwise, just leave it alone and ignore it.
And Jordan?
I'm not Alex's dad.
alex jones
You're not.
dan friesen
So I am not concerned with this wah behavior.
Look at me, I got a tank.
jordan holmes
I don't think he is either.
dan friesen
Well, he's human resources.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, he should be.
Yeah, yeah, that's fair.
dan friesen
There are more pressing issues today.
Namely, taking a look at Alex's behavior prior for him leaving on this East Coast trip.
A lot of Alex's focus seems to be on the upcoming Second Amendment rally in Richmond, Virginia, and his desire to preemptively declare that anything that might happen there that's bad, it's going to be a false flag.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
But there's a little more depth in his bullshit than immediately meets the eye.
And I think it's wise or worthwhile for our purposes to take a look at it.
But in order to start things off, I feel like it would be best to take a little moment to discuss the lead-up to this Richmond rally and how things got to the point where we are right now.
As we've discussed a little bit in the past...
There have been some messiness going on in Virginia.
Oh, where?
It's a bit of an oversimplification to put it this way, but a pretty simple explanation for what got us where we are right now is that the 2019 Virginia elections happened.
In that election cycle, all 140 of the seats in the Virginia Senate and House of Representatives were up for re-election.
Democrats had a net gain of two seats in the Senate, which gave them a 21 to 19 majority.
In the House, the Democrats won a 55-45 majority, thus giving them control of both houses of the state legislature for the first time in 26 years.
This naturally led to the right wing becoming completely paranoid about what would come.
In an article in the Virginia Mercury, members from the new Democratic majority made it pretty clear that the largest focus of their agenda was going to be reshaping voter access laws, taking on redistricting, repealing voter ID laws, and passing no-excuse-needed early voting for everyone.
It's currently in the system it is now.
Like, you can early vote, but you have to give a...
jordan holmes
You have to justify it.
dan friesen
Right, right.
It seems weird.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
However, there is another reality.
According to polling conducted by Everytown for Gun Safety, quote, 28% of voters said that a candidate's position on gun issues was the most important issue to their vote.
And they found that voters who listed gun issues as their number one issue supported Democrats 2 to 1. That's coming from a gun safety group, however, so you might not find their polling too compelling.
Certainly, you can find other resources that argue that what drove Democratic voters out to the polls was healthcare-related policies and climate change concerns, and I think in the end, the picture becomes pretty clear that whatever you choose to focus on, the Democratic Party just had a better policy set that appealed to more people right now in Virginia.
The reason gun issues were front and center is because in May 2019, a former city employee in Virginia Beach went on a shooting spree, killing 12 people and injuring four.
That was just a few months before the elections.
But also, if you think about it, Virginia is a state with a long history of really high-profile gun deaths.
You had the shooting at the congressional baseball game in 2017, the Scalise situation.
You had the Beltway Snipers.
You had the case of Allison Parker, who was that news anchor who was shot in the middle of doing an interview.
You had the Virginia Tech shooting in 2007.
Every state has their own history of gun violence, but Virginia has experienced some of these really big, high-profile cases.
So it could make some sense that voters might want a state legislature that takes that issue head-on.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
According to WTVR, three gun-related bills have passed the Virginia Senate.
So, you know, they just need to be signed and put into force.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
The first, Senate Bill 35, quote, Do you mean they overreached their authority and they are trying to take our guns away?
Some might say.
Yes.
unidentified
Gotcha.
dan friesen
This is basically just saying that if you have an event like an outdoor concert or a St. Patrick's Day parade, you could say no guns in public spaces.
jordan holmes
You're going to grab them from people and then go to their homes and grab them there, too.
dan friesen
It's the logical extension.
jordan holmes
It's the only thing that makes sense to me.
dan friesen
The second, SB69, makes it a misdemeanor for anyone.
You're a child.
This bill makes it a misdemeanor for anyone who is not a licensed firearm dealer.
It makes it so they can't buy more than one handgun within a 30-day period.
Even this bill has exemptions, though.
Like if you're buying a personal collection of someone's weapons, like an estate sale, you can do that.
There's also a provision for a specific license that you can apply for to not be subject to this one gun a month limit if you have a legitimate reason to need to purchase more than that, say for a business reason, like if you run an independent security company or something.
Or there's even exemptions for if your gun goes missing and you report it, you can replace that gun.
Within that one month period.
Oh, and also this totally doesn't apply to literally anyone who has a valid Virginia concealed handgun permit.
It also doesn't apply to private sales.
This is not a very severe bill, as there's a whole lot of groups of people who are exempt from it.
And even people who are not are only going to get charged with a misdemeanor if they run afoul of it.
The people who are in bigger trouble for not following the 30-day rule are licensed gun dealers who would have heavier punishments under this new bill, which makes sense, I guess.
This last bill is SB 70, which requires background checks for all gun transfers, except, again, there are a bunch of exemptions.
For instance, gun transfers between family members are exempted, as are gun transfers at gun shows and gun ranges.
The reason for exemptions for gun ranges and gun shows is because this is not about gun sales.
This is about literally handing someone a gun.
The bill is about transferring of possession of a gun to another person, and it would be kind of impossible to require that everyone at a shooting range, you know, they have to go through a background check before being able to shoot at some targets.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Thus, the bill builds in these exemptions, which makes sense, but it also makes the bills kind of weak.
If the gun weirdo world is good at one thing, it's getting around laws on technicalities.
And it seems like this is a fringe they could exploit really easily.
jordan holmes
I don't think that they would have any issue other than, like, the sovereign citizens who wouldn't...
Follow it anyways.
dan friesen
Right.
Because they don't follow the crown.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they don't give it.
Their names aren't in capital letters today.
unidentified
Bingo.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So anyway, those are the three bills that have been passed at the point of recording by the Virginia Senate, and they await being put into action.
There are other bills that the legislature has introduced, including military-style rifle bans and red flag laws, but it seems like fairly middle-of-the-road stuff that is...
What is actually gotten voted on at this point?
Whatever the reality of the situation is, the gun weirdo community has taken this as an all-out assault on the very basic right to have a gun.
Part of this is because these dudes don't really have a reason to exist, like the people who make a bunch of money off this stuff, unless guns are always under threat.
So it's in their best interest to create whatever controversies they can surrounding these sorts of issues.
Sure.
unidentified
I wouldn't be too surprised if some of the more intelligent among the right-wing extremist communities were also pretty scared about the voting rights issues that the Virginia legislature plans to take on.
dan friesen
No.
unidentified
And they know that they can't really make a great public case against expanding voter access.
jordan holmes
I don't want black people to vote.
I shouldn't have said that out loud.
dan friesen
It's tougher to get people on your side when you try to make an argument like that, but you can whip people into a frenzy easily about gunshots.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
The timing here is what becomes particularly troubling, though.
Because just as these bills were making their way through the legislature, an event was on the horizon that would be completely co-opted by the most extreme fringes.
Which brings us to Lobby Day.
So the group that turned this year's Lobby Day into a complete disaster is a group that's known as the Virginia Citizens Defense League.
A group that is presumably a gun rights organization.
They're very similar to a lot of gun folks we ended up and have encountered on this show, in that their actions are less lobbying and more obstructionism and extremism.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
They're borderline the IRA.
dan friesen
Honestly, they're probably most notable prior to this year for two large-scale media-related gaffes.
The first was when they tried to sue Katie Couric for how she edited a documentary that she made called Under the Gun.
They felt that she defamed them and sued for $12 million, which is, of course, thrown out of court.
Their other gaffe was when their president, Philip Van Cleef, got tricked by Sacha Baron Cohen in his show Who Is America?
In the segment he was in, Cohen's Mossad character got Van Cleef to promote Kindergardians, an initiative to arm schoolchildren as young as three years old.
It's legitimately embarrassing.
Van Cleve is out there singing songs promoting guns with plush animals on them to make them fun for kids.
One of them is a rocket-propelled grenade launcher, which should be a dead giveaway that this dude is fucking with you.
jordan holmes
A gun that's longer than a baby in the hands of a baby.
dan friesen
Right.
unidentified
Gotcha.
dan friesen
Van Cleve stuck around for what he described as an hours-long interview, and after it was revealed to be a Sacha Baron Cohen prank, he claimed that he only stuck around to gather intel on who was behind the video to warn the rest of the Republicans.
jordan holmes
He's brilliant.
He's an undercover operative.
dan friesen
Yeah, he knew it was a setup, you see?
So he went along, because he was a spy.
According to the Virginia Mercury, it doesn't seem like gun weirdos bought that excuse.
From a comment on the VCDL's Facebook page, quote, Another comment, quote, This is hilariously terrible.
But Van Cleve did not step down.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's a surprise!
dan friesen
And he is still in charge of the VCDL.
jordan holmes
That's crazy.
dan friesen
You shouldn't be surprised.
jordan holmes
What, is Oliver North going to take over for him?
No, he's got to stay there.
dan friesen
He's probably a consultant.
Yeah.
You shouldn't be surprised that he's still around, considering that he also didn't step down after he made some iffy comments after the Sandy Hook shooting.
He was asked by the Washington Post why people like guns like the one used in that tragedy, and he said they were, quote, fun.
This guy's a dick, which is what I'm getting at here.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Anyway, Van Cleave and the VCDL are part of the force that's behind all these counties in Virginia passing these gun sanctuary resolutions, which again are legally meaningless.
If there's one person who's at the center of the escalation of things in Virginia, I would say it's fair to say mostly Philip Van Cleave.
And because of his actions, things have now spiraled completely out of control.
Where the rhetoric is amplifying, things are escalating, Extreme groups are being drawn towards, like a moth to the flame, being drawn towards this, what could have been just a normal, hey, we like guns, kind of demonstration.
jordan holmes
Well, if you are in Virginia, where you've long enjoyed rampant, overwhelming control to then lose an election, thinking, well, we only lost because democracy is allowed still.
Then, of course, you're going to try and basically intimidate your political opponents into inactivity.
dan friesen
You may.
jordan holmes
That's their main goal.
dan friesen
So, in addition to the legislature being Democrats, also Governor Ralph Northam is a Democrat as well.
And that makes him evil, according to a lot of folks.
Like, hey, I'm not going to defend Northam.
He seems like a real not-great dude.
But he signed an executive order banning guns and other weapons from the site of this rally event.
And, you know, because if you really look at it, it really was becoming more or less a completely unpredictable gun rally.
So he put this ban in place, effective from Friday the 17th through Tuesday the 21st.
This executive order was also a declaration of a state of emergency based on credible intelligence that tens of thousands of people from out of state were planning to converge and that, quote, Yeah.
Yeah.
It's hard to say exactly what his credible intelligence is or was, since we aren't privy to the inner workings of Virginia law enforcement.
But if you have to go off what's publicly available, I think you should come to the conclusion that Northam's decision was more than justified.
For one thing, you have Stuart Rhodes and the Oath Keepers making the trip up to the rally.
Plenty of Oath Keepers have been arrested for things like having napalm bombs or planning to take over small towns in the past, so their involvement in something like this is definitely a red flag.
For months now, Rhodes has been talking about an impending civil war.
And even publicly, on Alex Jones' show, he's literally said that it's important for it to start while Trump is in office.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
This is a man who's been very clear about his intentions.
jordan holmes
I do think that their apposition to red flag laws is also personal, since most of these people are building red flags only.
dan friesen
It may be.
jordan holmes
They are covered in red flags.
dan friesen
That could be true.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And Stuart Rhodes is dangerous and scary.
And him joining this Virginia business and agitating the way he has is definitely not good.
However, he's far from the top of the list in terms of the scarier aspects of what's going on.
There are a ton of groups that have indicated interest in attending or intentions to attend.
But in terms of people who have more concrete information about, I would say the thing that is the most alarming is a group called The Base.
In the last week, two three-person cells, allegedly members of this group called The Base, were arrested amid plans to carry out violent attacks.
Three men in Georgia were planning to murder a married couple they believed were high-level Antifa.
That would have been upsetting on its own, but what made it much more notable is that this was the second three-person group arrested within like a day.
In Maryland, another trio was arrested.
This one including a former Canadian Army member who had been exposed as having associations with white supremacist groups and then disappearing.
The FBI had this cell under surveillance, and they'd learned that one of them had made an assault rifle he'd described as a machine gun, capable of firing more than one round at a time.
These men had discussed attending the rally in Virginia, and according to a headline in Slate, quote, Neo-Nazis allegedly discussed opening fire at Virginia's pro-gon rally slated for Monday.
Governor Northam had credible intelligence of threats of violence at the rally, and this very well could have been what he was referring to.
Of course, it could very well be that there's just one of multiple instances of violent threats surrounding the event.
But whatever the case, when it comes to a group like the base, I think it's probably best not to just dismiss it as stray talk or like, hey, these guys are talking shit.
jordan holmes
Okay, so from what I'm hearing, I'm far less worried about Stuart Rhodes, seeing as how he has a public face.
And I'm more than a little bit of a monetary interest in continuing with the paranoia, but not all out.
Whereas this looks like three-person terrorist cells that are loosely affiliated.
dan friesen
It appears that way.
Gotcha.
Cool.
jordan holmes
Cool, cool, cool, cool.
Dan.
dan friesen
Yeah, it is one of those things where it is true that it kind of is the end of the road for the revenue stream for someone like Stuart Rhodes.
Unless, I guess, there is a civil war and he creates a fiefdom.
For himself?
jordan holmes
I mean, I guess, yeah.
dan friesen
But that seems outside of his capabilities.
jordan holmes
I don't think he's a very good administrator.
dan friesen
I wouldn't say so.
Well, I don't know.
I mean, he's turned the Oath Keepers into what he is.
jordan holmes
That's fair, that's fair.
dan friesen
So I would say it's best not to dismiss these people and these arrests that got made.
and that's because The Base is a group that's explicitly and specifically about creating white supremacist terrorists.
They are not interested in people posting stuff online or slick media dicks like Richard Spencer.
They exist to help encourage The return of white-kaida.
Started in 2018 by a man who goes by the alias Norman Spear, the base operates encrypted online forums and message boards where aspiring soldiers for whiteness can connect with each other.
And they get to learn about a wide array of topics like lone wolf tactics and chemical weapons manufacturing.
They're steadfastly accelerationist in the sense that they want to commit acts which will provoke a backlash, which they believe will lead to their ultimate goal, which is a gigantic war that will give them the opportunity to overthrow the government, which they feel is run by...
jordan holmes
Do they not know what Charles Manson's plan was?
dan friesen
It's coming down fast.
jordan holmes
Because it's wildly similar.
dan friesen
Yeah.
One thing that makes the base different from your run-of-the-mill white supremacist groups is that they have an emphasis on uniting white identity and neo-Nazi groups who otherwise have some tactical or ideological differences.
Their push is that their common interest is greater than what they disagree about, so they need to work together.
This is heavily reminiscent of the Rocky Mountain Rendezvous meeting held in Estes Park, Colorado in 1992, where militia dudes, Klansmen, Neo-Nazis, and Alex's buddy Larry Pratt got together to formulate a strategy after Ruby Ridge.
Militia and right-wing extreme activity rose quite a bit in the 90s, and it's hard to imagine that Big Summit among the major players didn't have some role in that rise.
Coincidentally, Larry Pratt's Gun Owners for America is among the parties involved in the rally at Richmond, which is probably just not important at all.
unidentified
I feel like this is so fake.
jordan holmes
This is so cosplay-y, but at the same time, they're almost like Civil War pre-enactors.
They're play-acting this Civil War that they might accidentally start.
dan friesen
It's really tough to know how to talk about it responsibly.
Because there is a feeling of not wanting to buy into the hype that these right-wing fucks are engaging in.
And at the same time, not wanting to...
Not take things that seem like pretty serious, fucked up bad actors seriously.
jordan holmes
Well, their regular MO is large, outsized threats that they have no intention of following up on.
But when you start hearing about three-person terrorist cells, we're not talking about media blitz.
These guys are...
Legitimately trying to stay under the radar in order to carry out their attacks.
That's what it seems like they're doing, but it also could seem like they're play-acting at this very terrorist cell thing that they're...
You know, it's so wild.
dan friesen
It's very difficult to decipher.
jordan holmes
I know!
It's silly!
dan friesen
But I would say one of the most fortunate things about members of violent hate groups is that they usually hate and distrust each other as much as they distrust anyone else.
You know, they're planning illegal shit, so anyone they're associating with could be a Fed, and this paranoia tends to impede their ability to organize.
Earnest attempts on the part of right-wing extremists to put their differences aside and collaborate are a very bad sign, and something that needs to be taken very seriously, I think, when you see it.
That is absurd.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't believe that for a second.
jordan holmes
It's all about recreational fun.
He made it for hunting.
dan friesen
Sure.
And this is what really highlights the problem.
People who are concerned about possible trouble at the rally aren't concerned about normal law-abiding citizens carrying guns.
I would assume most of them would have no qualms with Trump supporters open carrying at a Second Amendment rally.
They have a problem with people like these neo-Nazis who are being attracted to this.
People like Alex hear the concern that there are violent white identity groups planning to attend, and he spins it by saying that the concern is really just that they think all responsible gun-owning people in America are terrorists.
Sure.
unidentified
What he's doing is absorbing people.
dan friesen
But Alex doesn't want that.
For whatever reason, and I don't know how anybody could possibly guess what that is, Alex has a consistent trend of inclusion when it comes to white identity extremists.
jordan holmes
I mean, I guess it's just he's a real, he wants to hear from both sides.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I think that's his, he's a balanced guy, you know.
dan friesen
So one of the tragedies of listening to Alex's show and understanding how he operates is that I know that even if a hundred neo-Nazis were arrested with explicit plans to attack minorities and liberals at this rally, then they all confessed.
Alex would still say that he has proof that they're all feds.
jordan holmes
They signed Soros contracts, Dan!
dan friesen
Totally.
jordan holmes
Easy!
dan friesen
Yep.
He's built a world of information that's so insulated from reality that he could make the claim, then yell nonsense about Elohim City for a while, and then pretend he's proven his point.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
His audience would probably let him get away with it.
All right-wing extremists are secretly globalists.
All left-wing counter-demonstrators are also secretly minions of the globalists.
No one really exists except Alex, and everyone else is some kind of controlled agent working for a gigantic dialectic bent on Alex's guns being taken.
It's a completely nonsensical worldview, and it's completely and totally incoherent.
At least it is until you consider it through the prism of supporting right-wing extremists.
If you start to look at it in that light, I think things make a lot more sense.
We're going to get into this episode, and along the way, Alex is going to go out of his way to preemptively declare that any violence that happens at Monday's rally, if any happens, it's going to be a false flag.
The globalists are trying to start a civil war, and they want to kick it off there.
I've seen some publications glibly pointing out that Alex is pushing that angle, but I really wish they would flesh out why he's doing that.
Alex knows that people like those members of the base have been arrested, seemingly plotting to commit violent acts at the rally, and I'm certain he isn't naive enough to think that they're the only ones.
He's friends with fucking Stuart Rhodes, and he's been an associate of Larry Pratt's for years now.
He has to know that there's chatter from his side of the aisle that's very much in line with, well, if we have to fight, it'll probably start here.
He knows that.
Guests on his show have said that.
And if, God forbid, anything tragic happens, he needs an excuse in place ahead of time to make sure that no one blames his right-wing extremist friends.
This is a very difficult situation to assess, particularly from the outside.
I don't want to buy into any right-wing hype that there's going to be violence and a civil war is going to start because I think that taking them at face value plays into their narratives.
At the same time, I don't want to diminish and fail to recognize that there are a lot of very extreme people who have attached themselves to this rally and that their intentions are not good.
Personally, I hope the calmer heads prevail and the day passes without incident.
As of right now, as we're recording, I've seen some indications that people involved with the non-gun weirdo side, they're encouraging people to stay home as the chaos of the situation is way too unpredictable to risk.
jordan holmes
Stay away from it.
dan friesen
As we're recording, I have no idea how things are going to shake out, but it's entirely clear that there's one side that's basically desperately pleading for something awful to happen so they can justify living out their civil war fantasies and another side saying people should stay home.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So anyway, sorry about that long rant, but I felt there's a lot of context.
jordan holmes
Yeah, the thing I see as most worrying, or the thing that I'm most worried about at Richmond is not going to be people who are planning anything.
Not those guys, not the lunatics, but more like somebody just accidentally fires and that's it.
That seems far more...
It's not a likely thing by any stretch, but as far as scenarios go, historically it would make far more sense for some idiot to accidentally leave the safety off, and then everybody goes, active, and that's the thing.
That would be my fear.
dan friesen
It's a very scary possibility.
I don't want to go through, like, what if this happens?
jordan holmes
No, no, no, not at all is what I'm saying.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I just don't want to engage with that.
So we start on the 15th.
And I should say, just for clarification, because it would be easy to paint Alex weirdly, the news of those neo-Nazi arrests doesn't happen until the 16th.
So on the 15th, Alex doesn't know about that.
He couldn't.
So what he's doing is he's breaking some big news.
jordan holmes
Don't you say it like that.
This is going to be a llama situation all over again, isn't it?
dan friesen
There's no llamas.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
I have to say yet again that InfoWars has 100% been the tip of the spear.
And again, I don't say that to say, oh, look, we're the tip of the spear.
Aren't we great?
jordan holmes
Yes, you do.
alex jones
It's actually a great responsibility.
In fact, it was Paul Watson about four years ago that began to really expose the incel movement as being the mass shooters.
Others on the Internet had pointed it out, and then Paul magnified it.
Infowars magnified it.
Drudge linked to our stories.
And now the FBI and the Texas State Police have come out and said, actually, almost every mass shooter has been an incel.
involuntarily celibate into the occult driven by an ideology of hatred for humanity and depopulation.
And, of course, Satanism.
dan friesen
So, once again, Alex is pretending he was ahead of the curve on something, when in reality, he's just making shit up.
We'll get into what Alex is calling this Texas FBI report a little bit later, but suffice it to say that literally none of the things he's saying are in that report.
This is absolutely constructed out of thin air.
Actually, it's not out of complete thin air.
Alex has not read this report.
He's only read an article about it that was posted on National File, which again is a website run by his employee, Tom Papert.
The article is on National File.
It's basically just about how the report warns about an incel rebellion while completely ignoring everything else in the report.
Spoiler alert: that's because most of the report is about how the number one domestic terrorism issue in the country is people who believe the same things as Alex Jones.
This article exists to distract from the actual point of the report and make it a story that Alex can effortlessly cover on his own show.
And this, among other stories recently, really highlights how National File is becoming a laundering house for far-right propaganda.
They are their ascendant in Alex's world, which is weird because he used to have Paul Yeah, I think Paul is not distancing himself, but definitely keeping clear of certain...
I'm not sure 100% what it is, because Alex is still using him as a source for blaming Muslims for the Australian fires.
He's still linking to Summit.News articles that Paul writes.
So it's not like a disconnect, but I think it's a hedging.
I think Alex is like, I got this guy coming in, this Tom Papert guy.
He really posts a lot of articles.
I'm going to go with it.
jordan holmes
I like content.
I don't give a shit about quality.
dan friesen
No.
I think it's more like a...
Could also be that those depositions, Paul Joseph Watson was kind of like, yeah, I don't know, I told Alex he fucked up.
He was not really towing the company line.
jordan holmes
Yeah, giving him a little...
dan friesen
And all the news stories that came out about it were about how Paul threw him under the bus.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
So maybe Alex is thinking like, hey, I gotta be sure in case he goes rogue.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
In case Paul goes rogue.
I need Tom Pappert, which is a massive step down.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's not great, but I mean, there's something to be said for keeping certain subjects kind of separate from each other.
You know, you got Tom Pappert to launder this stuff, and you got Paul Joseph over here laundering that stuff.
dan friesen
Yeah, and it's better to have a diversity of controlled sources.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Diversify your portfolio, Dan.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Can't put all your eggs in one basket.
dan friesen
And I think also what we learn as we get more information is that there are things that Paul won't do.
He wouldn't go along with Alex if he was going to try and pull another kind of Sandy Hook thing, whereas Tom probably would.
jordan holmes
Oh, Tom would go along with just about anything.
dan friesen
It seems that way.
So, Alex gets to talking more about this report.
And, man, it's so funny how clear it is he hasn't read this.
alex jones
Now, it isn't that InfoWars has had some magical crystal ball.
It was that we were tracking who those people were.
And of course, law enforcement knew this as well, but the ADL was still in control and was telling us it was all Christians that were the enemy and gun owners.
Well, now all that's been thrown to the side and law enforcement's openly publishing the truth.
And the truth is, it's Antifa leftist incel needle dicks out of the problem.
We'll be back.
dan friesen
We'll be back.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
dan friesen
So do you think that this report talks about Antifa leftist incel needle dicks?
jordan holmes
I would say that most reports I've read from a professional source have not added needle dick in at any point in time.
dan friesen
You'd be surprised.
jordan holmes
Although I would enjoy it.
I don't think it's a bad idea.
dan friesen
It appears in the text probably too much.
jordan holmes
Too much needle dicks?
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
So this report that Alex is talking about is the newly released Texas Domestic Terrorism Threat Assessment.
It's not a long document, only about 49 pages, and some of them are blank.
So there's really no excuse for Alex not to have read it.
If he had, maybe this wouldn't be such a gigantic embarrassment.
So let's imagine that he has read the documentary.
I know he hasn't, but let's just imagine that he has.
jordan holmes
I'm putting myself in this headspace.
dan friesen
And here he is on air, saying that finally law enforcement is coming out and telling the truth.
He's pretending that that truth that they're telling is that all of these mass shooters are Antifa leftist incel needle dicks.
But let me read to you from page three in the report.
Quote.
Based on the prevalence of recently conducted attacks nationwide, white racially motivated is currently the most violently active domestic terrorism type.
jordan holmes
Tom Pappert removed that page before it got to Alex.
I'm saying he read the report, but he redacted page three.
dan friesen
While other types of domestic terrorism have shown threatening or forceful behavior, the loss of life from recent WRM, white racially motivated, attacks elevates the nature of this specific threat.
Seems like if Alex thinks that this report is law enforcement finally telling the truth, then that truth is that white identity-related terrorism is the most serious problem in the domestic terrorism world.
unidentified
But I thought Alex said this report was about how all the shooters were Antifa incel needle dicks.
jordan holmes
Who is white racially motivated terrorism?
White leftist needle dick?
Et cetera.
Yeah, whatever.
dan friesen
The word Antifa exists one time in this document, and it's in the URL of a footnote in the form of a link to a New York Times article about the clashes at Berkeley back in 2017.
Literally nowhere in this document is there any indication that any of the shooters were inspired by Antifa.
As for incels, the report does note that they are a, quote, emerging domestic terrorism threat, and that this is a group to be aware of in the future based on some past attacks and, quote, extremely violent online rhetoric.
The section where the report details instances of incel-related violence includes five attacks, from 2014 to the present, and literally none of them are stories that I've ever heard Alex cover, although he probably did cover Elliot Rodger back in 2014.
I haven't listened to those episodes, but I imagine his take on it was not good.
jordan holmes
I think it would probably have been, let me check, Soros?
dan friesen
Maybe.
jordan holmes
Didn't happen.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Or love that guy.
dan friesen
Or the guy wasn't man enough.
jordan holmes
Yeah, something like that.
dan friesen
Right.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
The fact that this report mentions incels is really good for Alex because he can use that to pretend that it isn't mostly about people he agrees with.
There are four instances listed of terrorism motivated by anti-abortion beliefs.
And in recent history, Alex has expressed some leanings in favor of violence against people who work in the abortion field.
The report lists five instances of sovereign citizen-related domestic terrorism, and we've definitely seen Alex expressing some sovereign citizen-type beliefs in the past.
Probably not enough to suggest he's a full-on adherent, but enough to make me think he doesn't want to talk about their violence.
jordan holmes
There are enough laws that I think he would go sovereign citizen on.
dan friesen
Especially if he had to.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I don't think he goes full sovereign on, well, obviously, depositions.
He sat down for that one.
dan friesen
Does he like lady sovereign?
jordan holmes
Exactly.
No, no, no, he's not.
dan friesen
That's awful.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's awful that he doesn't like Lady Summer.
jordan holmes
It's a bummer.
dan friesen
The best.
jordan holmes
It's a bummer.
dan friesen
But more importantly, this report highlights white racially motivated domestic terrorism as the largest threat in the field, specifically pointing out how a lot of it is driven by a belief in the Great Replacement Conspiracy, which Alex is fully on board with.
The report is an overview of different sorts of domestic terror threats that exist in the country.
It's not really biased towards one particular viewpoint, if you read it.
You could say that they're singling out white people, but there's also a section on black racially motivated terrorism in there, too.
You could say that they're singling out right-wing anti-government people, but there's also a section about anarchist-motivated violence, as well as environmental and animal rights action.
It's a broad analysis, but if you actually read the report, it would be literally impossible to escape the conclusion that is spelled out at the beginning of the report, namely that white racially motivated domestic terrorism is the most violently active type in the country.
Alex cannot allow that to be the conclusion people come away with, so instead of engaging with the report at all, the only information allowed on his show comes from the National File article Yeah.
This is an act of running interference for white racially motivated domestic terrorism.
If you're endorsing this report and claiming that the conclusion is that all these shooters are Antifa leftist incel needle dicks, You're gaslighting your audience, and you're trying to cover up the reality that white nationalism and white supremacy, it's a severe problem, and it's getting worse.
See, this is where you get into that, like, if you look at this through the prism of supporting these sorts of things, like white racially motivated extremist behavior, everything makes sense.
jordan holmes
I mean, I guess the only frustrating thing about that is...
I'd say maybe there's only been one year in American history where white racially motivated terrorism wasn't the most...
Like, we had 2001, and then ever...
From before and after, it's always been...
It's always been white racially motivated domestic terrorism.
dan friesen
I'm not positive on that.
I'd have to review the numbers, but I would be willing to bet that there have been some years that some single issue motivated stuff might have been larger.
jordan holmes
I mean, I would say reported is my point.
It would be hard to find a year when...
dan friesen
I take your point.
jordan holmes
Do you see what I'm saying?
I think I'm probably...
dan friesen
You might be right, but I'm not sure.
jordan holmes
I doubt it's 100%.
But it's closer to 100% than it is to 90, is my guess.
dan friesen
Yeah, I can't think of...
Anyway, a little bit of comedy for you.
This report was produced by the Texas Fusion Center, so Alex should absolutely hate every single thing about it.
From a 2012 article by Kurt Nimmo on Infowars, quote, Fusion Centers not only violate the constitutional rights of Americans, but also are a colossal waste of taxpayer money.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Anyone who listened to Infowars in the pre-Trump years knows that a very consistent aspect of their content was that fusion centers were hubs of evil and they needed to be destroyed.
jordan holmes
Well, naturally.
dan friesen
A lot of that was based on how these centers were able to collaboratively collect intelligence and compile it to recognize trends that might be missed by police departments working independently.
And you could make an argument that this pushback that they had started around 2009 when the MIAC report was released.
jordan holmes
You know, there's nothing quite so dangerous to the right wing.
Is people learning.
I think that's probably the biggest fear they have.
dan friesen
Sharing information.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they're not fans of that.
dan friesen
It can be tough.
jordan holmes
You know, it's like the church wasn't fans of the Gutenberg Bible.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
They weren't stoked about it.
dan friesen
Nothing that Alex ever says, nothing that InfoWars puts out means anything.
Everything is made up, and the principles, like I hate fusion centers, all these principles they claim, they're behind their actions.
It's all a facade.
None of this means anything.
This report is going to play a gigantic part in all of this.
Sure.
It's going to be a through line throughout this episode.
jordan holmes
A report he hasn't read.
dan friesen
Totally.
jordan holmes
Okay.
I really am frustrated by that.
I don't like that that's a thing.
dan friesen
It's brazen.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I don't like that that's possible.
dan friesen
It's brazen because if you're talking to somebody about this report and they're not fully on board with you and they're like, that's not what the report says.
How do you get out of that?
That's a pick.
jordan holmes
And then run away with a smoke bomb.
dan friesen
That's probably the best strategy.
So, anyway, in this next clip, Alex claims that Virginia is going to call in the UN to take people's guns.
jordan holmes
Really?
dan friesen
And then we get some big breaking...
jordan holmes
Virginia would let the UN...
I don't even think the democratically controlled House would ever let the UN in Virginia.
dan friesen
No, it's a load of bullshit.
But afterwards, we get some big 2020 election news.
alex jones
Remember those headlines from InfoWars and Natural News a few months ago?
Here's one from December.
Virginia governor plans to use roadblocks and UN troops to seize guns.
They're actually talking about using the UN and using troops.
jordan holmes
Who?
Where?
alex jones
And every time we go, oh, that's crazy, that's dangerous, they go, oh, we don't mean that.
So they're just getting you in the habit of hearing that term, emergency, and then the emergency begins to expand.
You're like, why would they want to pick a fight with gun owners?
Why would they be so incendiary?
Well, that's the whole point.
And then we learned from the Bernie Sanders campaign operative that they're going to burn down Milwaukee at the DNC, where InfoWars will be, where I will be.
jordan holmes
That's a strong plan from Bernie.
alex jones
If Sanders doesn't get the nomination, and then if Trump wins, they're going to burn it there, and the fires will spread from that summer of rage across the nation.
There will be an overthrow of the government.
Law enforcement will be under communist control and they will then arrest white males and put them in re-education camps.
jordan holmes
I got bingo!
alex jones
And of course some will have to be killed and the police will have to be killed until they learn to submit.
dan friesen
Cool.
Kind of makes me think this wasn't a quote from the Sanders person because you said summer of rage.
That kind of makes me think of you.
jordan holmes
Did he, you know, Warren posts all of her plans on Medium.
Did Bernie post that one on Medium too?
Is he getting a lot of, we're going to burn down Milwaukee if the campaign loses?
dan friesen
And Biden, he has an autumn of rage.
jordan holmes
He has an autumn of rage.
dan friesen
Yeah, he's more of an autumnal guy.
jordan holmes
Now is the winter of our discon rage.
dan friesen
So first part first.
That stuff at the beginning where Alex is talking about how Governor Northam was planning on using roadblocks and troops to seize guns.
jordan holmes
Also the Arkansas DOT is on the roads.
dan friesen
That's all made up.
But here's the thing.
Alex didn't make it up.
Alex is reading this headline from a story that Mike Adams posted on Natural News.
This article is really just about how he was on a radio show talking about the research he'd done into how the governor was going to shut all this shit down and seize everyone's guns.
I listened to that interview, and at no point do these dudes prove anything.
Literally all of it is, hey, well, I heard this from a highly credible, high-level source.
It's all that bullshit.
The reason that it's all vague nonsense about anonymous sources is because Mike Adams hadn't done any research.
As is very often the case, he'd fallen for an internet hoax.
That interview was posted on YouTube on December 19th, and just six days prior, the white nationalist radio host Hal Turner had launched a completely fabricated narrative that Governor Northam had, quote, allegedly ordered a small cadre of staffers to begin the process for determining how to cut off electricity, telephones, faxes, cell phones, as well as the internet in areas where he plans to send Virginia National Guard troops to forcibly seize guns.
From there, bots amplified the story on social media, and there was a bit of a game of telephone to where the pieces got morphed and embellished, ultimately leading to Mike Adams presenting his angle with the UN replacing the Virginia National Guard and making up his own details about how to describe the martial law that would be enacted.
I've seen this sort of thing from InfoWars before.
One of the ways they launder hoaxes that they pick up on is to slightly change some trivial details so they can deny that it traces back to the clear hoax source.
So, anyway, this is all bullshit.
And this is what Mike Adams' game is.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
It's very clear.
jordan holmes
Mike Adams is such a dangerous monster.
dan friesen
Yeah, he's the worst.
jordan holmes
I hate him so much.
dan friesen
Yeah, but he pales in comparison to Bernie, who's planning to burn down the logic.
jordan holmes
I didn't know that Bernie...
I mean, it makes sense.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
We should have known this all along.
He's named for a Charmander, after all.
You know, like, that's the problem here.
dan friesen
You should have known in the debate when he said, I'm gonna burn down the logic.
jordan holmes
I'm gonna burn down the logic.
You know what?
You gotta trust him when they tell you things.
Just like they said that Trump would temper down his rhetoric.
No, you gotta believe him when they say...
dan friesen
When they tell you who you are, you listen.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
This is just Alex reporting on a new video from Project Veritas.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Where James O 'Keefe's band of idiots caught a Bernie staffer saying some fucked up things on camera.
I watched about as much of the video as I can tolerate, but O 'Keefe's sweaty shots where he's just talking into a camera are unbearable.
I just cannot handle it.
As best as I can tell, a Sanders staffer whose position in the campaign is unclear, like what level they're at, said some stuff about being in favor of gulags and re-education camps.
I don't particularly care about this because James O 'Keefe has shown himself to be the biggest weasel in the game.
Nothing he puts out even deserves a second's consideration.
And even if he didn't present this stuff manipulatively like he usually does...
It's very easy for me to say the stuff that staffer was saying is horrible and I don't support it.
jordan holmes
I don't care.
We've talked about Project...
The last time we talked about Project Veritas, the main thing is I don't care.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
If anybody else reports on it, maybe I'll listen.
But if it's coming from you...
Fuck you.
dan friesen
I even think that if Project Veritas put out something on Alex, like a piece on him, I probably wouldn't even care.
jordan holmes
No, I don't believe a thing that they've said.
dan friesen
His reputation's just too tarnished.
jordan holmes
It's too gone, yeah.
I'm not going to entertain it for a second.
Right, right.
He could have Nancy Pelosi screaming awful things into his face about how he's going to murder his family, and I'd still be like, he probably deceptively ended in that shit.
I don't care, yeah.
dan friesen
And even on face value, it seems unlikely that this dude that they talked to in the video Two problems.
One, the Girl Scouts are not particularly known for their cookouts.
jordan holmes
It's cookies.
dan friesen
And two, there wasn't an election in 1978.
He's thinking of 68. Yes.
So, this guy is a little bit of a...
jordan holmes
It was strange that he was the campaign manager for a long time, but, you know, what are you going to do?
Frankly, this quote could be from fucking Roger Stone acting like he's a Bernie supporter, for fuck's sake.
dan friesen
The entire shtick that O 'Keefe is working with here is called a composition fallacy.
He's found a low-level person in the Sanders campaign, probably just someone involved in organizing and knocking on doors in Iowa, and he caught him at a bar saying some fucked up stuff.
From there, the implication is pushed that what this guy said is actually what everyone in the Sanders campaign believes, and probably Sanders himself.
This is the entire bit, and honestly, more than anything else, all this reveals to me is that the big-money donors who fund Project Veritas are becoming more worried about Bernie's numbers, and they see him as an actual threat now, as opposed to when they just focus on Biden.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's one of the things that everybody who is opposed to Bernie really, really hates is it's really tough to paint him as this guy who's a sleeper cell after a 45-year career of saying the exact same thing over and over again.
It's like...
Really?
His plan lasted 50 years?
That's how long his plan is supposed to last?
dan friesen
You just need to find other slippery ways to attack him.
You'll see a good bet of that.
jordan holmes
And they're not as easy as just playing a clip of Biden.
dan friesen
He went to the Soviet Union, asshole.
That's good enough.
I will not now nor ever care about what James O 'Keefe does.
If he had an actual story that wasn't based on manipulative practices or fudging details, he would do everything in his power to keep his name off it.
I think that's a good life strategy to employ, is anything that has the name Project Veritas or James O 'Keefe on it is absolute bullshit until it's verified or vetted through another outlet that has standards.
He's just, like you said, he's too tarnished.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and it's just like whenever one of Alex's employees goes out but doesn't have the InfoWars microphone and all that stuff.
Like, yeah, you can't be associated with that if you want to get anything.
dan friesen
Speaking of one of Alex's employees who goes out and talks to people.
jordan holmes
Ah, yes!
dan friesen
Alex wants to throw it to a report.
He wants to maybe munch on a sandwich or something.
alex jones
But I want to go to some Caitlin Bennett here.
So I want to feature our great reporters more and more here on air.
She's followed a bunch of incredible reports at man.video in her section.
Feeling viral now.
But this is what we're up against.
dan friesen
Caitlin Bennett's been kind of embarrassed a bit lately.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I've seen a couple of things.
dan friesen
Some videos where she does not come off as knowing what she's talking about all that much.
But that's not what this video is.
Alex isn't going to play that one where...
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Instead, he's going to play another one.
I think it's interesting.
And I want to be clear.
Alex is setting this up like it is a very serious piece of...
Like he said in that last clip, this is what we're up against.
alex jones
This is illustrating the vicious dangerousness of these willfully ignorant morons who can't find their ass with both hands.
So here's part of that report that we'll be back.
dan friesen
So I need to be clear.
This is setting it up as a serious report.
This isn't a comedy piece.
Here's what the premise is.
unidentified
We all know the left have become foreign policy experts overnight.
We're here in Toledo, Ohio at the Trump rally to see if leftists can even point to Iran on a map.
It's right here, by the way.
dan friesen
This is some sad shit.
unidentified
Oh boy.
dan friesen
You know that a media organization is desperate for content when they pull out the can you find Iran on a map card.
If this were a segment on a late night comedy show, it would be a little cheap and dumb, but Alex is pretending he's doing a show that means something, and yet he still thinks a segment like this is a good use of his time.
There are just essential problems with a bit like this.
The first is that knowing where a country is on a map is not an indication of knowledge or lack of knowledge about the current issues surrounding that country.
You could be fairly well-read on the issues in the Middle East and not know exactly where countries are geographically.
I mean...
Obviously, you'd be better if you did.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
But it doesn't mean that you're not read up on stuff.
jordan holmes
I'm not going to say that ignorance is perfectly fine.
However, I do not think that knowing where Iran is on a map matters when it comes to is it okay to assassinate someone.
On a moral basis.
dan friesen
It's a different question.
jordan holmes
I mean, I guess it's okay to assassinate somebody because I don't know where they are.
The end.
Morality over.
dan friesen
That's one concern about it, but I think the second problem is that this whole segment is based around the smugness that Caitlin Bennett is employing.
She has some kind of a higher ground over these dumb leftists because she knows where Iran is on a map.
But I have a very strong suspicion that she didn't know that before she prepped this segment.
I have a very strong suspicion that this whole thing could have gone totally off the rails if someone asked her to find Malawi on that map.
She likes to agitate about refugees a lot, so it would be interesting to see if she knows which countries are which in Central and South America.
This is the sort of segment anyone can do to paint any group they want as dumb.
It's the cheapest trick in the book to invalidate one side's position on an issue without even engaging in it at all.
It's very stupid.
But I wanted to point this out because this is a level of shit that Alex is running with and thinking is worth his time.
Honestly, I think it's meant to be a comedy segment, but Alex isn't presenting it that way.
And Caitlin Bennett isn't funny.
And because she's such a mockable figure, these videos just constantly end up with her just being made fun of.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
And this video is no exception.
unidentified
Listen to this.
jordan holmes
I don't understand why this matters.
unidentified
There's just people laughing at her and being like, why don't your glasses have lenses in them?
jordan holmes
Glasses don't make you a reporter.
dan friesen
This is sad.
jordan holmes
That is the first lesson in journalism school.
dan friesen
Did you know that?
Glasses don't make you a reporter.
But be sure they don't have lenses.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
It's embarrassing.
It's just very sad.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, the idea of...
Because that's the premise of a Leno man on the street premise.
dan friesen
But that's comedy.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
That's different.
But even then, their idea of, well, I know something you don't know, so I'm smarter than you and I can talk down to you, is so ridiculous because that means, okay, well now, what if I know something you don't know that then the tables are turned and you just have to deal with it?
No, you're going to whine and cry like a little baby.
dan friesen
So, we go from that very serious reporting, very serious, hard-hitting stuff from Caitlin, to Alex formally predicting that there's going to be a false flag.
jordan holmes
Okay, alright, well thanks.
alex jones
We knew Governor Northam was going to try to declare an emergency.
We knew he was going to try to hype it up like people with guns are coming to get him, and so he'll have to have a law enforcement response.
Then they stage a false flag, or they provocateur an action, Jesse Smollett style, but on steroids.
unidentified
Ugh.
alex jones
And then they say, look.
The gun owners are the evil terrorists, they're the white supremacists, and they run the same operation we saw the Democrat-controlled state police did a couple years ago in Charlottesville.
jordan holmes
Whoa, what?
dan friesen
I thought it was a bunch of theater kids running around, like a bunch of gay theater kids running around like Nazis at Charlottesville.
jordan holmes
Now the cops were the ones who killed everybody?
That's what he's saying?
dan friesen
I mean, it's just all the false flag provocateur stuff.
Don't sweat the details.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'm trying not to.
dan friesen
The point is that this is the prediction that he's making.
And he doubles down on it.
It's very consistent.
This is what he's saying they're going to do.
alex jones
And even listeners are like, Alex, this is going to be more hardcore than you're even saying.
Why aren't you making a bigger deal out of it?
And I was just not wanting to escalate things and hoping the deep state would back down.
But more and more, it becomes very clear they're going to try to pull something.
In Virginia.
And it all starts basically on the 20th.
They're going to try to put provocateurs into the crowds.
They're going to try to stage something so he can declare a larger emergency and begin gun confiscation across the state in an attempt to trigger a civil war.
dan friesen
All of this is just preemptive narrative building in case there is some sort of a violent right-wing extremist.
Oh, that was the provocateur that the globalists set into the crowd.
It's just preemptive self-defense.
jordan holmes
That's such disingenuous, cheap...
Of course.
Like, he's cheating so hard it makes me...
Right, but it's so predictable.
Yeah, I know, but it's still just disgraceful that, like, oh no, you know, I'm just trying to de-escalate things.
It's like, you spent the last three months being like, look, we gotta do it now.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
It's gotta go hot.
dan friesen
Having Stuart Rhodes on talking about it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, fuck you.
You don't get to say that now.
dan friesen
No, no, you certainly don't.
But he does.
And it's the, you know, I know that, like, it feels...
Awful, because it's the present.
And, you know, things are still yet to happen.
Right.
It's terrible, but it's exactly the same thing that you see consistently with Alex.
jordan holmes
Yeah, of course.
dan friesen
So, to me, it's almost like, ah, this is exactly what you'd think he'd do.
jordan holmes
Yeah, of course it is, but it's such just like, ugh, I can't ever not be mad at somebody cheating like that.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
You know, it's just...
It's fucked up.
I know I should be past the right or wrong, but I'm still getting hung up every now and again.
dan friesen
Well, you're going to get hung up like crazy on this next clip because Alex makes a very bizarre recommendation and then tries to prove that the left are really the violent ones.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
Obviously, they try to go out and confiscate guns federally.
As a nation, we'd have to stand up to that.
The governor's trying it, and people are like Muhammad Gandhi, and turn them in?
They won't be able to start their civil war.
But they'll just provoke a turret, maybe have a sniper shoot some anti-gunners.
I mean, this is their playbook.
And they're failing on every other front.
They already sent somebody to try to kill all the patriot Republicans at their baseball game.
They're saying be violent to Republicans.
They're saying kill Trump and his family.
They're saying kill me.
They go to Tucker Carlson's house.
And now the FBI and state police in Texas have put out reports saying their Antifa incels planning terrorism nationwide to usher in a collapse of the government and trigger a civil war.
It's all here.
dan friesen
So firstly, it's kind of weird, but I think Alex is saying people should comply with state-level gun bans.
I guess that's what he should believe, but it's fucking interesting to hear.
I don't think that he means it, but it's weird to hear him say that people should comply with state-level bans and turn their guns in.
jordan holmes
Wait, because the leftists have guns?
Is that why?
dan friesen
You have to be like Gandhi and turn your gun in if there's a state-level ban, if a governor is doing it.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And then his feeling on it is that if you do that, it'll cause a political backlash and then the state will turn red again.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
He'll spell that out here in a minute.
jordan holmes
That makes perfect sense.
dan friesen
I mean, that's what he should believe if he's all states' rights and shit.
So I guess I'm glad...
To hear that?
But again, I don't believe it.
jordan holmes
No, not for a second.
dan friesen
But more importantly, that list of incidents he's talking about with the left being violent is sad.
The Steve Scalise shooting was in June 2017, and there's literally no evidence that anyone, quote, sent him to shoot those guys.
It seemed like his motivation was an intense hatred of Republicans more than anything else, and Alex is way out of line, implying that he was some kind of an assassin sent by the globalists.
If Alex got deposed about that allegation, he would 100% say he's talking about his feelings.
He feels like the shooter was sent to kill the Patriots.
I have no idea what he's talking about with people saying to kill Trump or to kill Alex.
That's too nonspecific for me to work with.
A small group of protesters went to Tucker Carlson's house in November 2018 and spent about 10 minutes chanting stuff.
Tucker wasn't even home.
He claimed that the protesters were threatening to pipe bomb his house, but according to people who were there, this is a misrepresentation of the protesters evoking the pipe bombs of the MAGA bomber and the recent synagogue shooting as a reason for why they were protesting his particular brand of rhetoric.
As they were leaving, one straggler spray-painted an anarchist A on his driveway, which other protesters expressed their disapproval with.
The incident was completely blown out of proportion by the right-wing media, and again, happened over a year ago.
jordan holmes
See, I listened to some of what they were screaming, and they were actually saying that his pipes were bomb.
They really love his voice.
dan friesen
Oh, I thought you meant his collection of glassware.
jordan holmes
That could be it.
He's got a Meerschaum pipe.
That's also great.
dan friesen
There's a hookah line.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So that Texas report is what we talked about earlier.
It's a complete lie Alex is talking about.
Compared to the list of very real and actually deadly right-wing attacks in the same span of time Alex is covering...
jordan holmes
Also all leftists.
dan friesen
This is legitimately a pathetic argument.
jordan holmes
It is, especially since he could just list all of the right-wing terrorists, considering he's...
dan friesen
And say they're leftists.
jordan holmes
Yeah, why is he listing...
dan friesen
Antifa needle dicks.
jordan holmes
Yeah, why is he listing...
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that seems like a slam dunk to be like, oh, well, it was this one, it was this one, it was this one.
dan friesen
I think he only remembers certain...
Like, touch points.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
That's fair.
And he yells about Scalise all the time, and he's pretty into Tucker Carlson these days, so just bring them up.
Anyway, Alex talks a little more about how he would turn his guns in if Texas banned guns.
alex jones
Really?
jordan holmes
Okay.
All right.
dan friesen
Wild.
jordan holmes
All right.
alex jones
We have a good governor, a great governor in Texas, but if the Dems turn the state blue, and they're close to it, and they tried something like this, and wanted to have a big riot, and wanted to blame it on President Trump, And they came to take my guns.
At this point, I would turn them in knowing they were wanting a civil war.
Then that would trigger such a political movement, the state would wake up and go back red.
And I'm not telling people turn your guns in in Virginia.
That's a decision you've got to make.
I'm simply saying we need to try to fix this peacefully.
We're winning politically.
That's why they want to overturn the chess table and trigger a war with law enforcement.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
You're losing politically!
That's why you want to overthrow the chessboard!
unidentified
Why do you not get to serve?
dan friesen
Yeah.
I strongly suspect that Alex is saying he would comply with a state-level gun ban because he knows that many of the folks on the right are very publicly talking about shooting cops who come to take their guns.
jordan holmes
There is that.
dan friesen
This feels like an attempt at presenting a moderate public face, knowing that the work has already been done in terms of radicalizing enough people to make the world super dangerous.
Although, I have heard in some recent episodes, some people pushing back on him for this stance of, like, I would turn my guns in.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
dan friesen
Or maybe you should, instead of shooting at the cops if there's a state gun ban.
And you're like, oh, you sold out.
alex jones
You're soft.
jordan holmes
Yeah, how dare you not try and murder cops?
dan friesen
It's like, hey, you've created this audience.
Of course your audience thinks you would shoot a cop in the face if they came to take your guns, because you said it a hundred times.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
I have no idea why my audience feels like I would shoot a cop in the face if they said to take my guns, other than the past, I don't know, ten years where I've said that it's our constitutional duty to shoot a cop in the face if they come to try and take your guns.
If you come to try and take, you literally said, if you come for my guns, I will shoot you.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Yeah.
1776 starts again if you take it out.
It's Piers Morgan.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
So, Alex, you know, his main point is that they're trying to start a war out of this rally.
Sure.
That's the big thing.
And Alex is like, don't do that.
Do the info war.
jordan holmes
Oh, no!
dan friesen
Do the info war.
jordan holmes
I'm not going to do the info war.
dan friesen
Come on.
alex jones
This is an attempt to start a war.
And so...
It's easy to go.
They come for the guns.
It's going to start here.
Let's get it going.
We're winning politically.
The left is self-destructing.
Just like Trump's going to win out of the Senate trial.
It's going to blow up in their face.
But notice they want a civil war to start during that Senate trial next week.
We'll be on the ground in D.C. and just miles away in Northern Virginia where the Revolutionary War kicked off as well.
Kicked off in Boston in the North and Virginia in the South.
And it's just insane.
dan friesen
Quick fact check.
jordan holmes
Virginia, Dan.
dan friesen
The Revolutionary War did not start in Virginia.
unidentified
Oh, no.
jordan holmes
It was the shot heard around the world in Richmond, Virginia.
That's the way it was.
dan friesen
He's yelled at Lexington and Concord so many damn times.
He screamed about the Oath Keepers rally at Lexington Green for like a week during the Boston bombing time period.
jordan holmes
Nope.
The Revolutionary War started in Asheville, Virginia.
dan friesen
We'll talk more about this a little bit later because Alex makes an even bigger claim that's nonsense.
But he's just way off.
unidentified
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
Started in Boston in the north in Virginia.
jordan holmes
What are you talking about?
dan friesen
This is some pretty weak stuff.
But what Alex is trying to do is he's trying to make historical parallels because he desperately wants something horrible to happen in Virginia.
He doesn't want to solve things with an info war because he knows all his talking points aren't true.
Trump is not super popular.
The impeachment is not super unpopular.
The Texas threat assessment he's lying about clearly says that white racially motivated terror is the most violent type.
Gen Z is not on board with his dumb patriot bullshit.
Most voters do favor some gun control measures.
He doesn't want to go with a sensible, rational route because he loses that every Yeah, he's Ofer on that one.
Yeah, everything is just bullshit.
Anyway, you heard there.
jordan holmes
They want to do this while Trump is being impeached in the trial in the Senate because he'll be distracted so he won't be able to quell it?
dan friesen
That's not so much what it is.
Alex spells out the conspiracy a little bit here and now apparently it's mostly about getting Trump out of office.
jordan holmes
But I thought they wanted to start you know what?
Let's just roll with it.
alex jones
And the governor Is basically talking about going ahead and having gun confiscation, going ahead and having gun registration.
jordan holmes
When?
Where?
alex jones
And he's already declaring an emergency to just get the idea of an emergency going in your head so the deep state can trigger some type of civil unrest that leads to civil war in the region and martial law saying that President Trump is to blame and then removing him while the Senate...
Is in session next week with the trial of the president.
All the planets are aligning right now, and our intel was the governor was planning this, and now you see it's beginning to unfold.
This is a Jussie Smollett-type false flag, but a billion times bigger.
I believe they're not going to be getting away with it.
You notice they also have the new Project Veritas bombshell videos with this operative for Sanders, right out of the Weatherman.
Handbook saying we're going to put people in camps.
We're going to be violent.
The only way to deal with Trump supporters is violence.
You have the Texas Domestic Terrorism Threat Assessment saying incel leftist Antifa are the main terror threat and they track how all over the country it's been Antifa incels carrying out almost all of the mass shootings.
So it all ties together.
dan friesen
So in that clip you can kind of see the anatomy of this conspiracy cycle.
And I think that Alex isn't super comfortable with all of the pieces of it yet, and so that's why you can kind of see his brain trying to jump from one to the other to connect them.
The end message Alex wants his audience to get is that the left, particularly Antifa and Cell Demons, are coming to put you in a FEMA camp.
I suspect that this is at least partially based on Alex realizing that yelling about Hillary is not going to sustain him this election cycle, and that his best play is probably to really amp up fear of Bernie.
Even though in 2016 he wouldn't stop talking about how unfairly Bernie was treated when he was trying to use that to attack Hillary, and in the past...
He's called Bernie the only good senator on the left because he worked with Ron Paul in getting oversight for the Federal Reserve, but who cares about any of that?
We've got fear to sell.
jordan holmes
Well, he was mad that they were being unfair to Bernie because he wanted to be unfair to Bernie.
unidentified
That's my game.
jordan holmes
I wanted to hate him.
dan friesen
So the goal is that sort of a conclusion.
So you really need to have some pieces in place to support that conclusion.
Luckily, this bullshit artist, James O 'Keefe, put out a thing related to Bernie and Gulag, so that's a good start.
And ooh, this Texas threat assessment came out.
And it mentions incels, so we can just pretend that the whole thing is about Antifa incels doing all the violence, and that should help back up the fear that the audience should feel based on this O 'Keefe video.
Now, to make it all feel super immediate and like it's an imminent crisis, let's mix in some of the stuff we ripped off from Hal Turner's hoax about Governor Northam declaring martial law to seize guns, and for good measure just throw in some stuff about how this has to do with getting rid of Trump, getting him out of office.
You're good to go.
This is what's going on here.
These are the pieces of the narrative that are meant to drive towards the desired conclusion.
jordan holmes
It seems like what he thinks he's doing, or maybe doesn't think he's doing, but what he's functionally doing, is trying to give people who otherwise would be against domestic terrorists the safety of saying, well...
Because they're not domestic terrorists on my side, and they're the ones on their side to make it look like my side is bad, when the theoretical civil war does start, I'm fighting a defensive war, not I'm part of America and the right wing is the one who's doing it.
dan friesen
And the rationalization for that largely has to do with, if we don't do this, the leftist Antifa incel demons are going to put you and your family in a FEMA camp.
jordan holmes
They're unfairly targeting us because, yeah.
dan friesen
None of these pieces of the puzzle are real.
That Hal Turner stuff is completely made up by a white supremacist trying to get people to freak out.
Alex is just making stuff up about the Texas threat assessment in order to cover for white identity motivated terrorism.
James O 'Keefe is James O 'Keefe.
There's nothing real here.
It's all bullshit.
But it's meant to make his audience scared and feeling under threat.
Because that's super profitable.
And like you said, it leads them to normalize and accept.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Things that they might not otherwise.
jordan holmes
Well, and it gives them the ability to both say that they're against domestic terrorism while at the same time fight a terrorist war, I guess, of some sort, you know?
dan friesen
But really, Jordan, I mean, the governor declared an emergency.
jordan holmes
Uh, yes.
dan friesen
So obviously, it means the guns are going to be taken.
jordan holmes
I don't think that's how it works, but okay.
Oh, okay.
alex jones
The governor saying that...
He's declared first an emergency at the Capitol, then the grounds, because people are coming with guns, introducing the idea of a civil emergency.
Right as the President's trial will undoubtedly be taking place next week in D.C., we'll be there covering both.
That's how critical this is.
Basically, my whole main crew is going to be there.
We're going to have 15 people there.
We're going to go to your calls in one minute.
I just want to say that it takes a lot of money to do this.
We are expending our backup reserves to do it.
We are going to have a security team of quite a few people up there, including police officers from the locales, and I'll just leave it at that, because this is a major threat area for everybody.
Okay, I'm just going to leave it at that.
We need to fund our operation.
Ultimate Fish Oil is back.
When I say ultimate, it's from the natural fjords, salmon.
jordan holmes
That's good.
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
It's from the natural fjord salmon?
dan friesen
Not the artificial fjord.
jordan holmes
Oh, I didn't want that artificial fjord salmon.
dan friesen
No, no, no.
jordan holmes
Oh, shit.
Now that I know it's ultimate.
dan friesen
Cool there, Alex, implying that he's in coordination with local cops.
jordan holmes
Hey, no.
dan friesen
Unheard of sort of thing.
jordan holmes
Just regular old...
dan friesen
He could be talking shit, though, so I have no idea.
jordan holmes
I don't care.
dan friesen
I think that there's one thing there at the end that I think is kind of an interesting thing, and that is that, like...
If Alex isn't lying about the tight money situation, this is a fucking terrible idea.
He has to think that he's going to get so much press out of this that it could justify whatever expenses there are.
I have no idea.
I think it could be an indication that maybe he's been overselling.
How bad the financial situation is it enforced?
Or he really is just like...
jordan holmes
Desperate, desperate, desperate.
dan friesen
So, largely, to the point of the emergency.
It's easy for Alex to say that Governor Northam declared an emergency because people were going to bring guns to the rally, but that's not really being precise enough with your language.
If people were just going to show up to peacefully assemble and carry guns, there's no doubt that it would not have been an issue.
This is technically about people bringing guns, but it's more specifically about these sorts of people who are planning to bring those guns.
Because of people like Alex, who've been building up the perception that the next civil war is about to start because Virginia is considering some mild gun regulations, A lot of really extreme folks have been drawn into the picture.
This entire thing has completely spiraled out of control to the point where I don't even think the gun supporters even really know what to expect.
You have this double talk that's meant to be this kind of winking all over the place.
You have people from the Pulaski County Second Amendment Coalition putting out statements stressing that if you're going to do illegal shit, you need to stay home.
And at the same time, you have Philip Van Cleve saying, quote, It's ironic that this is about gun rights and the governor is trying to take away our ability to carry guns.
How ironic is that?
He keeps poking the bear, you know?
This sort of super extreme but self-contradictory messaging is a recipe for a chaotic situation.
It's a real-life and way more volatile version of Alex rambling out pornographically vivid descriptions of killing his enemies and then insisting this is all about the information war.
It allows him to antagonize and wink at the extreme members of the audience while reassuring the less extreme listeners that this is really just about the info.
Same sort of dynamic is being played by some of these people who are involved with the gun side of the rally.
They're signaling to extreme folks while playing the, like, hey, this is about the info war.
Even if that's not what the terms they would use.
So, I don't know.
It's not good.
jordan holmes
I mean, I...
Find it impossible for them to not know that the threat is credible.
Just like the worst year pod about the fur fandom.
One of the members of the fandom infiltrated the alt-right chat boards and discords and message boards and all that stuff fairly easily.
I don't doubt that the cops can do the exact same thing if they have the will.
That's always been more the issue than anything else.
dan friesen
Yeah, and it appears that they were, because they were surveilling these base cells.
jordan holmes
And it couldn't have been that hard.
They're not great at it.
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't know.
I don't know.
I'm not intimately involved, so I don't know.
Maybe it's difficult, maybe it's not.
But I don't believe that people like Alex, people like Stuart Rhodes are unaware of that element of it.
And that's why they need to present it as they're trying to demonize all gun owners as opposed to discussing the very real fringe extreme element that's being attracted.
Because they don't have a defense for that.
And they also don't want to denounce those people.
Right.
unidentified
Because they're friends.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But if there's federal...
jordan holmes
Jordan.
dan friesen
If there's federal, you've got to go to war.
jordan holmes
What an asshole.
dan friesen
You've got to go to war.
jordan holmes
I hate him.
alex jones
They want to start a civil war.
So, if there was ever an organized federal movement, they were really taking guns and had the army out, I'm sorry, folks, we've got to go to war.
Okay?
And I'm not looking for that, but I'll go to war.
That's not our government.
That's criminal.
It's un-American.
The country was born out of gun confiscation and the fight against it.
But the Democrats are trying to start something here.
I know our people aren't going to sit there if the cops come to take your guns and shoot a bunch of cops.
dan friesen
So Alex knows that, which is interesting because recently Stuart Rhodes was giving a speech, and why don't we listen to a little bit of it?
unidentified
So that's what you're looking at down the road.
Put the laws in place, and they'll try to turn the heat up one person at a time, one veteran at a time, one gun at a time.
That's how they're going to do it to you.
So how are you going to resist that?
Don't register your guns.
jordan holmes
Sure.
unidentified
No!
But if they know where you're at and know you got guns, what are you going to do?
Registration equals confiscation.
That's why you...
I agree.
That's why you need the neighbors behind you.
If every old guy shoots them when they come to their door, we'll only lose a few guys over 60 and it'll be over.
I'm putting him up.
But you're better off, all I'm saying is, I agree with that sentence, but all I'm saying is you're better off with your ship being behind you.
dan friesen
So, the guy says, the audience member, if a bunch of guys over 60 just shoot cops that come to take guns, we'll lose some old-timers, but a problem be solved.
And Stuart Rhodes, of course, he says, better answer is sheriffs being behind you, but I agree with that sentiment.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I think it's the mark of a courageous and Perfect organization to sacrifice the elderly upon the altar of their war.
I'm pretty sure those are the guys I'm rooting for.
dan friesen
Alex is a close associate to Stuart Rhodes for years, and I have definitely heard callers on Alex's show express that exact same sentiment that that guy in the audience said.
I mean, the idea that Alex thinks that no one is going to shoot, like, thinks that it's a good idea to shoot cops.
jordan holmes
And it's not like it never happens.
dan friesen
It's ridiculous.
jordan holmes
It's a regular occurrence.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, Alex, I don't know how he's done this, but I guess at this point he's confirmed that the globalists are planning a false life.
jordan holmes
Oh, he already did it?
dan friesen
He's confirmed it.
jordan holmes
In the early?
Wow.
alex jones
The police aren't our enemy.
The globalists want to make it that way.
They want to start a civil war.
We're smart enough to not let this happen, but clearly the deep state's doing it.
It's confirmed now, okay?
I'm going to be there.
I know you're going to be there.
They're going to try to provoke a terrorist stuff.
How do we stop it?
What are they going to pull?
What do the police think?
dan friesen
So the deep states, you know, they're planning this.
It's been confirmed.
I don't know how you confirmed it.
He doesn't really get into specifics.
jordan holmes
He confirmed it.
dan friesen
Confirmed.
jordan holmes
It was confirmed.
dan friesen
What a dick.
jordan holmes
Didn't you see?
Pepper wrote a loosely based article on the Turner Diaries.
dan friesen
He saw some kind of post on a Facebook page.
It's confirmed.
So Alex goes to calls, and he gets a call, allegedly, from a Virginia cop.
And he asks this guy, how are we going to avoid this?
alex jones
And so I'm just asking, how do we somehow not let this happen?
unidentified
I wish I had the answer for you, Alex, because everything I could possibly give you as a possible answer is something that there's going to be a counter to.
And I just think at the end of the day, there's going to be people there that are going to try to start something.
I don't believe they're going to be involved.
And the Patriots side of things, I just think there's going to be people there knowing that there's going to be passionate people there, knowing there's going to be Patriots there to try to initiate something like you've been talking about.
alex jones
Now, there's no doubt that they're so desperate because they're losing politically that this is what they're going to try.
dan friesen
So, I apologize.
I believe that was a former Virginia cop who's now in a different place.
There's a couple of cop callers.
jordan holmes
Well, that's not good.
dan friesen
No, this is an insanely irresponsible kind of thing to be putting on air.
The conclusions that these two people, Alex and this guy, they've reached before anything has happened, days before the rally even happens, is one.
Some kind of horrible tragedy is going to happen there.
And two, it won't be their side that does it.
jordan holmes
No, of course not.
dan friesen
I probably talked about this too much, but this is one of the ways that Alex makes sure that no matter what happens, he gets to present himself as the winner and the hero in this situation.
If, God forbid, something bad happens at the rally, he's on record pretending he's proven to his audience that the globalists are going to false flags.
He's been proven right.
If nothing happens, he gets to pretend that he and his patriot buddies were just so strong and intimidating that the globalists had to call an audible.
Decided not to false flag after all.
No matter what, Alex's rhetoric and his ability to keep his audience convinced he knows what he's talking about remains intact, and he's able to move forward.
This is a game to him.
And it's really fucked up considering the stakes and what he's doing to people.
jordan holmes
And if they do call an audible and they don't do the false flag, well, hey, that just means they're going to do it at a different time.
So you always got to be ready for the false flag coming.
dan friesen
He's like the end time preacher.
jordan holmes
Be on the edge.
Be on the edge at all times.
I hate this especially just because do they even think they know what a civil war would look like to them?
Do they have any clue?
Like, wouldn't it essentially, based on everything they want, wouldn't it just be like rural counties holding cities under siege?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
You know, like, what do you even think it is?
dan friesen
They imagine it as like an insurgency, basically.
jordan holmes
Like, it's not north versus south, you know?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
It's just wild.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, I don't think that they've thought all that through too much outside of their sort of guerrilla fantasies.
Alex does get this Virginia caller, this cop, another guy.
And I think Alex thinks he's going to be way more sensible than he is.
And I'm not even positive this guy.
I mean, all we have to go on is that the caller says that they're a cop.
So I don't even know if they are.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think this guy is pretty good.
jordan holmes
I think Zach is real, too.
dan friesen
Okay.
alex jones
Now we have Willard, active state police in Virginia, on the subject of what's coming.
What's your view of your expert view on this, Willard?
And thanks for calling.
jordan holmes
I control rats.
unidentified
Well, Alex...
First of all, the people shouldn't be voting in counties to declare sanctuary cities.
They ought to be arresting this guy.
Obama's running this program.
I got people all over the place, friends, cops, military.
Obama's running this thing, and Obama's still running our government.
jeremy brown
There's people in high places in the government, and they're told to ignore Trump or they'll indict them.
unidentified
And people are just scared and people are just frustrated.
But I tell you this, Alex, if they go ahead and go along with this, I'm going to roll with it because the American people are stupid for putting up with it.
But no, I'm not going to go door-to-door confiscating.
What they're going to do, they'll probably go away quietly and just have people like me pull you over and grab your guns and put you in jail.
alex jones
And you know, you're right.
The American people have put up with this.
Texas is about to turn blue.
And I tell good old boys, that'll never happen.
Yeah, BS.
dan friesen
Why did Alex agree with him being like, yeah, I'm a cop, I'm going to take your guns if it's a law, because you all are stupid.
jordan holmes
I have no idea.
dan friesen
Alex would be very mad about that.
These guys are wildly insane.
So apparently Obama's still running the government, and I don't think that's what Alex wanted to hear, because that's something that Alex has said before, but that's not this season's content.
That's the kind of thing you want to bring up when there's deep state intrigue kind of narratives going around.
Like when you need an easy to digest explanation for why your hero Trump isn't doing any of the stuff you want him to.
That's when you trot out the Obama still running the government stuff.
This season, right now, it's patriot masturbation season.
Content where you're making excuses for things and throwing blame on people who are clearly not running the government doesn't play that well when you're trying to get people whipped into a frenzy about standing up to the gun grabbers.
Alex was looking for something more along the lines of, I know a hundred cops will kill their superiors before taking guns.
That's what he wanted.
jordan holmes
It does seem like there is a kind of significant amount of cognitive dissonance nostalgia on these people.
Like, I miss whenever my life was better under Obama and I was still allowed to just hate him.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
And now my life is worse, but I'm supposed to like this guy, but he sucks.
I hate Obama still.
dan friesen
We had way more fun yelling about Obama and Hillary.
jordan holmes
Yeah, instead of defending the guy who's clearly evil.
dan friesen
This stinks.
jordan holmes
Yeah, this is a bummer.
dan friesen
So this guy rambles a bit.
jordan holmes
Surprise.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
And these voting machines, these voting machines are what, these people get awfully elected and they say, well, the people voted for this and so now we're going to take your arms.
This is the big test case.
There is bills all over this country and they're ready to dump them as soon as this thing...
jeremy brown
If it doesn't go off the hinges, they're going to go ahead and force these other states, and you're going to see there's a bunch of sleeper cells all in this country.
unidentified
And it's sad, and I hate to see it, but like I said, if they pass the law, I'm going to arrest you, and I'm going to charge you, and I'm going to do what they told me to do.
I'm not going door to door.
That's for the other people.
But if you get pulled over and you got these guns, I'm going to arrest you, and you're going to go to jail.
And I don't want that.
But the people need to wake up and do something.
And you don't have to be armed to do something.
alex jones
And let's expand on that.
The Texas Domestic Terrorism Threat Assessment put out a huge report on the number one terror threat, 48 pages long, and it mirrors what the FBI came out and said, that the main threat is leftist Antifa, ladies and gentlemen, and that they are going out doing the majority of the mass shootings consciously to blame the Second Amendment.
dan friesen
So, again, you have this Texas threat assessment being brought up completely deceptively.
It's one of the only things that he's really trying to push super hard.
Again, I don't know why he's not addressing the fact that Willard wants to take his guns on the road.
jordan holmes
I don't think he wants to.
dan friesen
Anyway, Willard says some stupider things.
jordan holmes
Surprise.
unidentified
And I'll tell you another thing, too, Alex.
You know Trump don't talk about Hillary's emails anymore because he's got them.
He's got them.
That's why he's not talking about them anymore.
And this is what I was told.
Giuliani's paralleled Bill Barr.
So when Bill Barr don't deliver by this election...
Bill Barr's gone.
Giuliani's in.
Giuliani says he's ready to go.
dan friesen
Giuliani's ready to go.
jordan holmes
To prison.
I think that might be a conflict of interest.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
But further than that, Giuliani's guilty of a lot of shit, dude.
dan friesen
I do believe that there was a time, maybe even right when Trump was elected, that maybe, just maybe, Rudy Giuliani could have been the Attorney General.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
But now, not a fucking chance in hell.
jordan holmes
I don't think I would do that.
dan friesen
The Senate has to confirm Attorney General nominees, and I have no faith that Giuliani could clear that hurdle.
jordan holmes
Yeah, Dershowitz could.
dan friesen
He's so incredibly tainted right now.
He's been all over the media doing weird interviews for the last year.
He's mixed up in this Ukraine business way deeper than he has any reason to be.
jordan holmes
Occasionally been drunk and given interviews.
dan friesen
Don't get me wrong.
I think those would be some of the most amazing confirmation hearings imaginable for an entertainment standpoint.
But in terms of that being a feasible plan, there's just no way that's fucking ever going to happen.
Also, Trump didn't stop talking about Hillary's emails because he has them.
He stopped talking about them because he got what he wanted out of talking about them.
And bringing them back up now doesn't do him any good.
He's not running against Hillary, so bringing up her emails would be kind of a weak move.
And even Trump knows that.
Honestly, this dude who Alex is presenting as a real wise insider by virtue of him saying that he's a cop in Virginia really seems like a regular-ass Alex Jones listener.
Just a dude with some dumb ideas he's presenting as the truth.
jordan holmes
They're all about to drop.
All these bills and all these indictments and everything is right around the corner.
If this thing doesn't happen or if this thing does happen, what's next?
They're going to drop.
A.G. Rudy.
Rudy is coming in.
Everybody's putting him on their shoulders.
Put me in, coach.
dan friesen
So that caller was full of bad ideas.
jordan holmes
Yes, yes.
dan friesen
But Alex gets another caller, and this dude actually kind of scares me.
alex jones
And I believe that...
unidentified
I left my number with your peers there.
If they want to get back in touch with me, please do so.
I'm trying to keep my focus.
I was involved in a lot of forming of...
alex jones
Well, I've got a lot of guys here that are former federal police, military, and things like that.
So what I'll do is, well, we're all going to be in Virginia.
We've also got some of the guys driving the truck up there, so I'll give them your name and number, sir.
I appreciate your call.
I understand you don't want to say a lot on air.
Look.
jordan holmes
That's not good.
alex jones
The Democrats want to start something in Virginia.
jordan holmes
It sounds like that guy does.
alex jones
They want to start stuff in D.C., and we know they're making their move.
And most of the FBI has problems, but they're not communists.
They're not globalists.
jordan holmes
What?
alex jones
Trump, obviously, I'm sure, has FBI task forces down in Virginia right now.
And there needs to be a lot of on-the-ground surveillance of the left and of Antifa.
And I can't believe George Soros is still walking around and not in prison because these people are terrorists.
I mean, in fact, guys, you bring me the stack yesterday.
I was asking for that.
The 2015 plan for martial law in Maryland.
dan friesen
This caller clearly wants to talk to Alex about stuff that may or may not be cool to talk about on air.
So that's awesome.
He's clearly struggling to speak without saying the wrong thing, so Alex's why is to cut him off before he went too far.
Also, Alex calls for that stack after saying that Antifa and Soros are terrorists, suspiciously absent from that stack of news of the articles about the two groups of members of the base who were arrested.
I'm just being a dick.
Those arrests weren't reported until the day after, so he would have no reason to know about it at this point.
It's just funny, though, that those stories are going to be coming out the next day.
And what Alex is working with is fake Soros Antifa contracts his intern found on 4chan.
So that's the level of things that are...
jordan holmes
I think Trump's 2020 campaign slogan is just going to be, I know you are, but what am I?
dan friesen
Neener, neener.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they're terrorists.
We're not terrorists.
You're terrorists.
dan friesen
His slogan is just going to be...
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex gets another caller who's, what do you know, real dumb.
unidentified
Two days ago, and they passed all those things about all those in the General Assembly.
And right that same day, there was an active shooter hoax at a middle school.
And you can look it up, try to share that and put it on screen.
But there was pretty much a student called a set of texts in saying it was an active shooter.
Isn't that convenient?
dan friesen
I'm not exactly sure what this caller is trying to suggest about this active shooter hoax, but I assume he thinks that this is what happened.
The Globals are trying to push these bills through a state legislature that already absolutely has enough votes to pass them, but in order to make sure, they create a hoax active shooting at a middle school in Virginia to grease the wheels.
jordan holmes
That seems like putting a hat on a hat, Dan.
dan friesen
It does.
So this caller brings up the shooting hoax as suspicious, and Alex's response is, isn't that convenient?
As if to condescendingly imply that, of course, the hoax and the bills are connected.
jordan holmes
Ha ha!
Caught him!
dan friesen
Here's the problem.
According to WTVR, local news in Henrico County, the police received the alert about the shooting through their new text to 911 capability.
Because people can just text things in, there's often not an ability to confirm things or ask follow-up questions before you need to act.
If someone texts to 911 that there's an active shooting and you're the dispatcher, there's no chance in hell you're going to wait around and see if they reply to your response text before sending out units.
It's way too serious a situation.
jordan holmes
Oh, super sorry, my battery died.
I couldn't respond to your 911 text.
dan friesen
Right.
So I guess the conspiracy has to be that the globalists sent the text to 911.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
But the problem there is that the police get the phone numbers of the people sending the text, and they trace it to a 12-year-old girl who goes to the school in question.
So I guess then the conspiracy has to be that the globalists used this 12-year-old girl's phone number to text in the hoax.
jordan holmes
That sounds right.
dan friesen
But the problem there is that the police geolocated her phone as being inside a first floor classroom in the school when the text was sent.
jordan holmes
Alright, well that doesn't look good.
dan friesen
So I guess the conspiracy has to be that the globalists stole this girl's phone and used it to send the hoax message from the school without anyone noticing anything weird like a globalist in the classroom.
jordan holmes
Now that makes sense to me.
dan friesen
Or the simpler explanation, a young girl did something really stupid.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Maybe seems more likely.
jordan holmes
I mean, it's really unusual to see, you know, kids between the age of 12 and 17 doing stupid things that could get them in trouble.
That seems odd.
It's probably the globalists.
dan friesen
It's got to be the globalists.
jordan holmes
All the mistakes I made between 12 and 17 were actually globalist false flags.
unidentified
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Another problem is that this shooting scare happened on Monday, January 13th.
By the evening of the 13th, it was clear that this was a situation where someone had texted an erroneous scare.
It was all over the news that night that this wasn't a real act of shooting.
The Virginia Senate didn't vote on these bills until Thursday the 16th.
The motive makes no sense.
The supposed process of how this would be some kind of an elaborate setup makes no sense.
It's two disconnected events that are easily explained on their own and actually become pretty nonsensical when you try to connect them.
At least they are if you think even a little bit.
But Alex's audience and Alex aren't big thinkers.
They both kind of have to do with guns, these two things, and Alex has trained these dum-dums in his audience to think that everything that happens is part of a grand conspiracy.
That snapshot, Alex saying isn't that convenient, perfectly captures what an idiot he is.
He has no idea what this caller is talking about.
He doesn't know anything about this story.
Yet he's perfectly happy to reinforce this kind of thinking.
The kind of thinking that just randomly connects independent things in order to build conspiracies.
jordan holmes
Now, I will posit this to you.
Perhaps the globalists have every 12 year old in the United States under their control.
Maybe they had one good year where they just got everybody.
You know, they swept up the whole 12 year old generation.
unidentified
Wait.
jordan holmes
They're 50-50 on nine-year-olds, but they got all the 12s.
dan friesen
Jordan.
unidentified
What's up?
dan friesen
Someone who's 12 right now?
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Born in 2008.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
What happened in 2008?
jordan holmes
Obama.
unidentified
Holy shit.
jordan holmes
John, it was all Obama.
He got the whole year.
That makes perfect sense.
dan friesen
This makes sense.
unidentified
There we go.
jordan holmes
We figured it out.
That makes more sense than their bullshit.
dan friesen
So Alex gets into something now that I think is amazing.
I think this is one of my favorite things.
jordan holmes
When the dog barks?
When the bee stings?
dan friesen
There's something that carries on through the rest of this episode that I was really surprised by.
But also, I should have predicted this.
alex jones
And they also contact gun groups and stuff and go, oh, don't have Alex Jones on, you know, or don't have him speak at your podium in Virginia next.
Like, I need to speak at a podium.
Like, that's where I want to be anyways.
And then groups are like, hey, we hear you're coming, but we're, you know, I don't know about Sandy Hook, are you?
When you get up on the stage, like, that's my identity.
They just buy the leftist media.
We built with this audience the liberty movement that's challenging the globalists.
So I'll be in Virginia.
I don't need to be up on the stage up there.
I'm coming with the people.
dan friesen
It seems like the gun organizations in Virginia even don't want Alex there.
jordan holmes
That must be heartbreaking for him to have them distance themselves from...
But I'm Alex!
Alex Jones!
Hey, you're too hot, man.
You're too hot with the Sandy Hook stuff.
Yeah, I know.
I'm sorry.
We would love to have you, but you're Sandy Hook dude now.
Sorry.
dan friesen
I heard that, and I was like, wow, that's a weird slip.
He's very clearly indicating that he has rejected a speaking gig.
But I didn't expect that it would come back up, but it does.
And Alex is very mad.
jordan holmes
That's because it's personal, yeah.
dan friesen
He's very mad about this.
So in this next clip, Alex is talking about how individual officers in the military or in the police, if they get an order that they think is unlawful, they should shoot their superior.
jordan holmes
No, no.
Okay.
All right.
Now, maybe that would be fine if we're talking Nazis.
Maybe.
Even then, I still think that peaceful protest is...
Whatever.
alex jones
Unlawfully right.
that the Nuremberg defense doesn't work, and there are manuals given to Marines and to members of the Army when they graduate boot camp explaining that they need to know that a lawful order is lawful, they need to study the Constitution, Bill of Rights, and that they need to not follow orders that are unlawful.
Say if your captain says, line up these women and children and blow their heads off, you don't do that.
You turn and shoot him in the head, and then it goes from there, from legal orders down to stuff where, Just a quick reminder that Trump has recently pardoned war criminals.
jordan holmes
No, I mean, well, yeah, but we were supposed to have killed them before Trump.
Pardon them, I guess?
I think that's what Alex would say.
dan friesen
I think it's a dangerous mentality to advance.
You should be the sole arbiter of...
jordan holmes
Justice?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Kill your general.
jordan holmes
I would say that maybe there should be at least one step between saying yes and then murder.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
I would say there should be maybe mediation.
dan friesen
And hey, let me be clear.
I think this applies across the board.
I'm strongly in favor of workers' rights.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
But let's say that your boss breaks a labor law.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
You don't get to kill them.
jordan holmes
No.
No.
unidentified
Right?
jordan holmes
I mean, well, but the Nuremberg defense wouldn't apply.
So...
What are you going to do?
dan friesen
What are you going to do?
jordan holmes
I was just following orders.
dan friesen
So Alex in this next clip says that...
jordan holmes
Or I was just following Alex's orders to shoot him?
dan friesen
I guess.
No, it's in the manuals.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
So Alex in this next clip, this is just sort of a...
So it's there.
He's really encouraging that everybody's got to go to Virginia.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
I'm going to Virginia.
And I'm going to D.C. right next door.
We're going to be there this weekend and next week.
And...
We're doing it because history is taking place.
And we need everybody to understand that you need to be in Virginia and you need to be in D.C. Both or pick one.
Take the kids out of school.
Do whatever you got to.
dan friesen
So he's advocating that civilians go into a chaotic situation where he's already said he expects the globalists are going to pull a false flag.
That seems irresponsible.
If he believes what he's saying...
He's putting people in the path of danger.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And that is not good.
jordan holmes
Okay, so the globalists are going to pull a false flag and blame gun owners for it, where, assumably, people are going to be hurt there.
Right.
So what I would like for all of my listeners to do is gather together in that space, put more people in a smaller area of space.
Right.
Keeping people from getting hurt, correct?
dan friesen
I guess if you really believe this sort of thing is potentially dangerous, the thing you would say is you don't need to go.
People should not come for no reason.
unidentified
It should be a you don't need to go.
jordan holmes
Yeah, just don't.
dan friesen
Alex is saying the exact opposite.
So anyway, Governor Northam's calling for this emergency because he wants to demonize guns.
jordan holmes
We're going to take all of our guns.
dan friesen
Now, the only solution to this It's something that we know is Alex's solution to every problem, and that is...
jordan holmes
Give him money.
dan friesen
Well, or promote Alex's...
jordan holmes
There we go.
alex jones
The governor acts like he's scared people coming with guns to get him.
No, they just have the guns openly carried to show we are the people and to exercise that right and to demystify it.
He declares an emergency to make it look like it's criminal so he can declare a bigger emergency once they trigger a crisis.
And now they admit that's their plan.
So it's all materializing, ladies and gentlemen.
But your word of mouth with a chain reaction about band.video at Infowars.com forward slash show, those links to live feeds can exponentially, via text message and word of mouth, even outside of the censored YouTube and Twitter and all that, get to everybody, which is starting to happen, so we have a countervailing narrative of what really goes on.
Because if they stage something, they're going to try to cover up what happened.
They were able, when an Antifa operative shot all those folks at that Walmart in South Texas to cover up, he was Antifa and a big anti-human leftist.
It's now in the state police report that just came out.
dan friesen
This is important.
Alex does not give a fuck about the El Paso shooter, except to the extent that it helps him create white identity propaganda.
He doesn't care about this guy's victims.
He doesn't care about the pain he caused.
Fuck, man, he doesn't even know his name.
And more to the point, Alex is completely lying about what the Texas threat assessment says about Patrick Cruzius.
For one...
He's one of the examples listed in the section about white racially motivated terrorism.
Here's what the report says about him.
Quote, The report also points out that
there have been at least two international attacks, one on a synagogue in Germany and one in a mosque in Norway, where the shooters, quote, were inspired by his actions or demonstrated similar tactics.
There's nothing in this report about Antifa, nothing about Satan, nothing about any of that.
Alex Jones is a bald-faced liar, pretending this racist mass shooter wasn't motivated by the exact same shit he talks about on his show all the time.
I can't put it any simpler than this.
Alex Jones is an intellectual coward of the worst sort.
Also, the word Satan doesn't appear anywhere in the report, nor does the word devil, nor does occult.
The word pagan shows up twice, only in the context of white supremacists adopting pagan symbols.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there we go.
dan friesen
The point here is that Alex is talking about something very serious, and it relates to people being killed.
This is not a matter to take lightly, because 22 people died at that Walmart, and countless lives were changed for the worse that day.
To take that event and lie about it just to demonize your imaginary enemies and further radicalize your listeners towards the conclusion that there's no such thing as white identity-motivated terrorism?
That's the act of a monster.
And Alex does not care.
He doesn't even care enough to...
He doesn't even read the report.
He just says he read it and makes shit up about it.
This is just disgusting.
This is the worst.
The worst.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
The end of my comments.
Fuck Alex.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, you know, he is a very violent guy and Alex's world revolves around violence, but he insists that it's important.
Right now, you work hard in the Infowar, which we know is code for give links to bandage.
unidentified
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
But, things are going to go bad.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And he has some words for you, what you need to do when that happens.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
alex jones
And I believe you will reject it, and even if they kick off a civil war, a fiery one, we're going to win that too!
So, let's work hard in the Infowar right now to avert that.
If the real thing kicks off, you know who the globalists are.
Go get them!
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
So, you get to decide who the globalists are.
You know who they are.
And you get to decide when things kick off.
jordan holmes
No!
dan friesen
Because the definition of that is pretty vague.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You don't get to have both.
dan friesen
I guess you do.
jordan holmes
You don't get to be like, let's work hard to avert it.
However, your criteria for starting it and who should be.
All on your own.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Jesus.
dan friesen
Enjoy.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Great.
So, Alex gets back from break and he starts talking about how the deep state has tried to turn Trump against him.
And I have some thoughts about that.
alex jones
I wanted to say something about Trump.
They've had the deep state and the entire corporate media write thousands of articles, some of which were published in hundreds and hundreds of newspapers apiece, to get Trump to come out against Infowars in a belief that if the president ever came out against Infowars, that would turn his main base off against him, and that would turn me against the president.
dan friesen
I don't think anyone has ever wanted Trump to denounce Infowars because they want to alienate him from his base.
I think it's generally more been a thing where it's completely unacceptable for the president of a country to think Alex Jones is anything other than a liar and a fraud.
There was, of course, the case of Erica Lafferty, whose mother was the principal of Sandy Hook Elementary.
She was very offended when Trump was elected that he'd been on with Alex, the same person who'd said on air that her mother wasn't really killed.
And to be clear, her mother died trying to save the children in that school.
And Alex called her, as well as Erica, actors working for the globalists trying to take his guns.
You can kind of understand why she might be interested in the president of the country distancing himself from someone like that.
And then you just have your garden variety of reasons to want Trump away from Infowars.
Namely, that the information that Alex puts out is bad.
It's usually factually completely wrong and almost always has a kernel of white supremacy buried in it.
It's just unacceptable for the head of state to think that Alex is someone deserving of anything other than condemnation.
You don't need a deep state to motivate people to arrive at that conclusion.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and you don't need Alex anymore.
Your policy director is a white supremacist who does all that shit.
dan friesen
Right, who Alex loves.
So, that's all dumb.
It's all stupid.
But now let's enjoy.
Because Alex starts talking more about how no one wants him in Virginia.
jordan holmes
That's the stuff.
That's what I'm looking for.
That's what we all came here for.
dan friesen
That's the salve that goes on the burn.
jordan holmes
I want his failure.
alex jones
We just called up some of the pro-gun groups in Virginia and said, hey, why don't you come on the show?
And they're like, oh, you're Alex Jones.
That's controversial.
We don't want to be associated with that.
We're terrorists.
Not even getting the instinct of who cares what the media says about you.
They say you're a bunch of white supremacist terrorists.
jordan holmes
Well, we are.
alex jones
I don't need to be loved by the couple of organizers of a rally who are going to sit up there and talk to a crowd, but the media is not going to pick up a damn word you say.
It's you that has the power of what your message is, not how you let them put you in a box.
It's the amateur nature of a lot of political activists, and then they look at somebody who's been very, very successful with our audience that gets it, rebooting America, but we're always being led by a bunch of political novices.
dan friesen
They might not be political novices, and they might also not be worried about bad press.
They might just hate you.
jordan holmes
A little bit of reverse.
A little bit of shade on there.
Just like, hey, if you don't want to come on my show, it's because you're stupid.
dan friesen
You're fucking amateurs.
jordan holmes
It's because you're amateurs.
You don't know what it's like in the info war.
dan friesen
And you're going to be speaking on a podium.
No one's going to cover that.
jordan holmes
Who has ever spoken on a podium before and had things happen for them?
dan friesen
Alex is so mad.
alex jones
The Democrats are chi-com, enemy-funded, and are literally trying to bring the entire country down and are trying to trigger a civil war.
And the average conservative activist around the country can't even get their act together.
Meanwhile, the main groups that have financed Trump and had some of the biggest fundraisers for him for six months have been trying to get me to go on speaking tours and do these big events.
And I was so busy, I said no until I realized, wait a minute.
The big smart Republicans that helped get Trump in, they know where the liberty movement's going.
They get this is the future.
They're smart enough to want to enforce.
But the very grassroots we awoken, a bunch of them, are trying to be the new politicos.
What a joke.
I'll be there in the armored vehicle.
The whole crowd will come over to me.
All the media will cover us.
You're a fool.
Everyone will cover me because I got a tank.
jordan holmes
Man, he's got such rich kid syndrome.
Just pathetic child.
No, you know what?
I didn't even want...
Look.
Bigger people want me than you, so I didn't even want to do your shit anyways.
So you say no to me.
That's no big deal.
I'm going to go work with those bigger people, and it doesn't bother me at all.
dan friesen
I'll be in my tank and everyone will love me.
jordan holmes
It doesn't bother me.
dan friesen
Everyone looks at me.
jordan holmes
I don't even care if you want to.
dan friesen
I suspect during that break that he just went out to someone, maybe Rob Dew, came over and was like, Hey, Alex, that was a bad look.
You look like an asshole.
And so he says this.
alex jones
We're back live, ladies and gentlemen.
I want to just say one more thing about what I talked about last segment.
This isn't about me.
You understand?
dan friesen
Yeah, I understand.
jordan holmes
Sure.
Sure, buddy.
dan friesen
Is it about me?
Although I was yelling about how your amateurs were not wanting to hang out with me and come on my show and invite me to speak.
And I'll be there in a tank and everyone's going to pay attention to me while no one looks at you because I'm the great.
I created this movement.
jordan holmes
And I'm not bragging about me, but I created this movement single-handedly.
I'm not bragging.
dan friesen
This is not about me.
jordan holmes
No, absolutely not.
unidentified
You understand?
jordan holmes
If you know anything from my history...
Alex Jones' history, I don't make it about me.
dan friesen
Notably humble.
jordan holmes
Always, always.
I never brag, and I'm always right 100% of the time.
If I wanted to brag, I could, because I would be bragging about how right I am 100% of the time, but I don't brag.
dan friesen
So Alex ends this episode here on the 15th in a way that we've seen a bit of in the recent days, and it's descending into fucked up.
Headspace about killing globalists.
alex jones
We're starting to get to a point that as a citizen who's sworn an oath publicly to defend my family and your family and our honor, that we need to be very peaceful and very focused and very active right now.
And then we have to understand that if we don't bust our ass to get in these people's face and really let them know we're watching them, that...
The Chi-Coms and the globalists know they can sit this out.
They think they can.
And so they are intending to start a shooting war in the country.
And there's a good chance it's going to start.
So we better start having a discussion about what we're going to do.
So that's that.
And if the president would have arrested some of the deep state, gosh, he's got plenty to do it.
And let the chips fall where they may.
If they try to bring out some dirt on some of the Trump people, nobody's going to care, as long as he's pro-American.
And it's not screwing kids or something.
We're going to support him.
jordan holmes
So what if it is?
alex jones
We need action now, okay?
Enough talk.
And I'm not saying it's my pay grade to say what we should do.
I don't think the president knows.
We're all above our pay grade.
jordan holmes
It is his pay grade, though.
alex jones
It's just that we're not in normal situations now.
And the Democrats are a bunch of insane meth-heads who...
So the only reason I highlight this is it does seem like towards the end of his shows lately, these sorts of conversations are becoming far more normal.
jordan holmes
Okay.
I'm going to throw this out there.
What if...
Instead of Democrats being insane meth heads, they're just people like you and I who just disagree.
dan friesen
Antifa, incel, needle dick.
jordan holmes
They can't just be people who disagree.
dan friesen
Antifa, incel, needle dick.
jordan holmes
Antifa, incel.
dan friesen
See?
That's how it works.
jordan holmes
There we go.
You know what?
Actually, you convinced me with a simple chant.
dan friesen
All I did is pump my fist a little bit.
jordan holmes
Once I got there, once I got in with that chant, I believe everything.
dan friesen
It overpowers.
jordan holmes
It overrides.
dan friesen
So, I understand.
We're already, you know, a ways into this episode, and we're now just getting into the 16th.
And I could understand some people having a sense of, like, this is going to be a slog.
And I, you know, hey, I promise you, if you stick it out, By the end of this episode, you will get to hear Alex Jones try to interview a baby.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
Now, Dan, I'm not saying that we tease things regularly, but so far I would have opened the show with that because I'd be willing to go through a lot more of that earlier stuff with a better attitude.
dan friesen
Yeah, I regret I didn't tell people earlier, but on the 16th, Alex does try to interview a baby.
jordan holmes
Okay, see, now there we go.
dan friesen
Look forward to that.
jordan holmes
The whole show is much better now.
dan friesen
Now, but he starts the show on the 16th by just stressing and reinforcing that the globalists are going to false flag the rally in Richmond.
alex jones
They used to run false flags when they had the presidency.
And they ordered Delta Force to stage the bombing of a federal building.
And they ordered Delta Force to stage the 1999 events in Washington State in Seattle.
But they don't have the military.
They don't have...
Those units that can carry out false flags of the president's order anymore.
And by the way, when Clinton ordered all that stuff, it was the beginning of the end of the deep state.
They're going to have their dirty little foundation turds out there trying to pull something off, trying to trick people into a mass shooting.
They've got mentally ill wind-up toys, drugged up, probably in comas.
Right now they're going to turn back on and try to roll out in D.C. and in Virginia and probably places we didn't think of.
But everybody's got to be on maximum alert right now in the next few weeks.
dan friesen
So, I mean, this is just spaghetti at the wall kind of shit.
jordan holmes
No kidding.
dan friesen
But it all just is in service.
jordan holmes
Just say they have clones in tanks.
dan friesen
Why not?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Oh, they're all in comas that they're on ice?
dan friesen
It is all just still in service of the exact same thing, which is preemptive justifications for if there is violence that appears to be originating in the right-wing spheres.
It wasn't real.
It's all fake.
And it's sloppy foundation people now because they don't have Delta Force.
jordan holmes
Alex, we can't be associated with you because you screamed about false flags.
dan friesen
Amateur hour.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Now, I understand why you disagree with us.
However, you are screaming about false flags right now as well.
So you see why we're hesitant to join with you on account of your ability to learn lessons.
Amateurs.
Yes.
dan friesen
So Alex says something really interesting at the beginning of this episode.
That has nothing to do with Virginia or anything like that.
jordan holmes
I love Freebird.
dan friesen
Skinner is going to come up later.
jordan holmes
How is this possible?
dan friesen
Another teaser.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But no, that's not this.
But this is really fascinating.
alex jones
And we're going to be watching their every move.
And the police are there watching.
And the FBI is there watching.
Not at the top.
And it's not a cliche to kiss the police's ass or the FBI.
Everybody knows I used to be on their ass before I had deeper understanding of what was really going on.
Just like America is where the battle is for good and for evil, we have both here because we are destined to decide the destiny of the planet.
There's good and bad coming together in the fight here.
dan friesen
So I think that's really interesting.
And I think there's a surface level where that statement is fucked up, but there's another level that's even more troubling.
jordan holmes
That's insane!
dan friesen
On the surface, this is Alex saying that America is more important than any other country in the world.
We decide the destiny of the planet, which is just stupid.
If you would have asked some blowhard subject of the crown during any of the fallen empires in the course of human history, they would have said the exact same thing.
It's a myopic view of things, and moreover, it's just childish.
jordan holmes
For God's sakes, Kipling wrote a white man's burden!
I think we got it!
dan friesen
But the more fucked up thing that's buried in the statement seems to be that America is the only country where both good and evil exists.
jordan holmes
Yes, the implication being...
dan friesen
Yeah, he literally said, quote, America is where the battle is for good and evil.
We have both here being...
Because we're destined to decide the destiny of the planet.
If we're destined to decide the destiny of the planet, that's not something that can really be true of more than one country.
That's a unique attribute of America, according to this line of thinking.
That's how destinies work.
The structure of Alex's statement is saying that because we are a country with this unique attribute, there's both good and evil here, which heavily implies that in his mind, other countries are either solely good or solely evil.
I don't think Alex consciously thinks this, but I definitely think it's a subconscious belief he holds.
And guess what?
It's pretty fucking easy to guess which countries are good and which are evil.
jordan holmes
I don't understand.
What would be the difference between them?
Maybe like a very short, just visual thing.
Just give me one quick thing so I don't have to think about it.
What do you think the difference is between those?
dan friesen
Well, if you're a majority Muslim or non-white, Alex has bad news for you.
jordan holmes
I think he does, yes.
dan friesen
But there's one way you can convert your country over to being good, it turns out.
And that seems to be if you have an authoritarian ruler who's friends with Trump.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
That seems to be a manual override.
unidentified
It does.
dan friesen
Alex's clear geopolitical bias towards hating non-white countries.
jordan holmes
So it turns out, and I didn't know this, but it turns out that God has created the United States as a Hunger Games-type battleground to see whether good or evil wins in the end.
dan friesen
If you're Brazil's Trump, Alex is cool with you.
jordan holmes
Yes, you get to be on the side of good.
Duterte.
Good guy.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
So I think Alex has read about these Nazi arrests at the base.
I think he has.
jordan holmes
Nazis aren't real.
dan friesen
The news broke an hour and a half before his show started on the 16th.
I think that he knows about this, but he doesn't bring it up.
jordan holmes
Odd.
alex jones
I'm going to tell you right now.
There's no doubt that they're going to try to kill Trump next week.
I'm telling you, it's so damn dangerous next week.
Everybody's like, well, this impeachment's a joke.
They're not going to convict him in the Senate.
They need that symbol for what they then trigger next week.
Black churches getting shot up.
Gay bars getting blown up.
That's what they're getting set up for.
And you'll think it's in Virginia when it's going to be in California or Texas or Michigan or Illinois or Florida or Mississippi.
dan friesen
I think Alex knows that based on what the reporting is on the group, that there's a possibility that there are other trios of people in other places or other small groups attacking a black church or a gay bar are things that are in line with what sort of neo-Nazin-ish.
jordan holmes
Or a synagogue or a mosque.
dan friesen
Right.
Those are the sort of goals that these groups would have to achieve.
The way Alex is presenting this makes me think that it's in line with him knowing about it.
But he won't say.
He won't talk about that story.
And he doesn't.
jordan holmes
At all?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Like the whole show?
unidentified
Nope.
jordan holmes
That seems like a big story that a lot of people would cover because the information there is that there are...
Maybe a lot of cells, of terrorist cells of three, of trios.
dan friesen
But also, that's where your mind takes you.
And it could be an overstatement.
jordan holmes
Oh, for sure, for sure.
The point being, it's a big story.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
It's a big story.
And if I was a news organization, I would probably cover it.
dan friesen
Well, Alex has other bigger news.
unidentified
Ah, okay.
alex jones
You talk about being cut off from God.
God hates Tim Cook.
jordan holmes
I forgot.
The God hates Tim Cook story.
That was a big one.
alex jones
You know Tim Cook when he goes to hell, which is just a dimension.
jordan holmes
Oh boy.
alex jones
Tim Cook is going to be in a jail cell for eternity with himself.
A jail cell he built.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
And his burning hatred for humanity is going to be the fires of hell that he created.
Because the truth is, God didn't create hell.
It's the one thing God didn't create.
unidentified
Whoa.
dan friesen
That clip is...
jordan holmes
No!
alex jones
Get out of here!
dan friesen
That clip's stupid and has nothing to do with anything, but as I was listening to this episode, I looked at the time on it and I realized that I hadn't cut any clips in a while, so I figured I'd just give you a little taste of how the first half hour of this show is and how stupid everything is.
Alex is preaching real hard, but it's a real standard boring kind of thing.
Like, it's all the bullshit about our ancestors wanting us to go to the stars and how Alex doesn't love his fancy cars.
It's God that's important.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
He's in a deep hole, and legitimately the only thing close to real I've heard him touch on is him making clear in that clip we just played, you know, where he's saying, they're gonna kill Trump.
I think that it's clear that he's aware of those Nazi arrests, but he won't directly cover the story.
It's my sense that he's...
You know, he's building up to make those arrests part of his false flag narrative.
You know, that the globalists are putting out stories about these arrests, which probably aren't real, in order to precondition the country for a rash of fascist, racist violence, just secretly just being carried out by Antifa incel needle dicks or whatever.
This is shameful shit, and it's a really boring episode.
Honestly, it's...
like, and if you're looking for a demented televangelist, it's kind of serviceable in the sense that at least he's clearly an idiot and he's calling out real people like Tim Cook, which is kind of fun.
Yeah.
unidentified
But as a half hour stretch of a show that's pretending to be a real serious news show, I find it exhausting, especially considering that he's mostly doing this to ramp up to running interference for literal neo-Nazi terror cells and seemingly unable to Yeah, it does seem like rather than deal with...
jordan holmes
Neo-Nazi terror cells.
He's rewriting A Christmas Carol, and Tim Cook is going to forge the chains in life that he will wear in death.
dan friesen
Also, if Tim Cook is creating his own prison cell, I bet it's going to be high-tech.
jordan holmes
I bet it's very ergonomic.
dan friesen
Has a good user interface.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
So anyway, here's Alex rambling more about God.
unidentified
Sure.
alex jones
There's a sick form of respect.
That God has for people that are consciously evil and do bad.
God hates and wants to destroy them.
But people that know what's going on and actually have a connection to God, that's like nerve endings up to God.
And God is just like, what?
You know this is wrong?
You don't like torturing children?
You don't like drinking their blood while they beg for mommy?
You don't like inventing new evils, but you don't do anything?
I am going to really turn you over to yourself, you damn coward.
dan friesen
I have no idea if what Alex is saying is some reference to a Bible verse I can't remember, and he's misrepresenting.
But man, he's making God into really a human figure.
jordan holmes
This is shit that should...
I'm not saying that he should be forcibly institutionalized, but this is the type of shit that somebody who is institutionalized says.
unidentified
Look...
dan friesen
It's been a long time since I've read the Bible, and I'm a bit rusty on whether or not God has a grudging respect for people who are willfully evil, so I'm going to leave that aside.
But I do think it might be worth pointing out that on many occasions, Alex has talked about having a grudging respect for people like David Rockefeller, who are the heads of the evil globalists, whereas he just hates the followers who know better and sign up with evil anyway.
Basically, what I'm saying is that when Alex is trying to personify God, it seems like a lot of his own personality gets wrapped up in the presentation.
jordan holmes
It is weird.
I did notice that God had a very kind of like...
dan friesen
God loves Texas.
jordan holmes
He kind of has a cowboy-ish nature to him.
I didn't realize that God wandered from town to town with a grudging respect for the black hat there, who is his only actual equal.
dan friesen
Some might call this blasphemy, but I would just call it a very predictable manifestation.
Yeah.
So, Alex talks, you know, he rambles about God and that sort of shit for a long stretch.
And then he finally talks about, like, something, again, it's close to real, at least.
And that is that Governor Northam had a press conference.
jordan holmes
It's just, he reminds, you know, it's like when people talk about their pets and they're describing their pets and it's like, oh, he's such a...
dan friesen
My dog loves tacos.
jordan holmes
It's like, yeah, you're talking about you.
You realize that, right?
Yeah.
dan friesen
And it's fun because you're friends with your dog.
jordan holmes
You don't say that your dog is God or you are, though.
dan friesen
Alex does.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
So anyway, Alex talks a little bit about this Northam press conference, but he doesn't talk about anything specific.
He never gets to covering it.
I would say he fakes crying.
alex jones
I came here today, and I'd already been researching last night and this morning, and I had hundreds of articles and video clips.
I just can't even look at it anymore.
I mean, it's enough to read the transcript of what Governor North said, because it's an exact script.
He's following the exact script.
We already saw them pre-programming, and now it's an official script, which means they're going operational.
And we've got to just sit here and wait for them to commit a mass shooting or a bombing and blame it on us.
And it's not getting blamed for it.
They're going to blame me.
They're going to blame you.
They're going to blame every gun owner.
It's that we know they're doing it and we can't stop them.
jordan holmes
Boo!
Boo!
Take a class!
alex jones
I mean, that guy is such...
He's perfect.
He's perfect.
For Satan.
unidentified
Ha ha!
Boo!
jordan holmes
I have seen high school productions of fucking...
What's the name of it?
dan friesen
The Scottish play.
jordan holmes
No, I wouldn't call it that.
Shit.
The one written by Oscar Wilde?
Oh, fuck.
It's going to kill me.
dan friesen
Alex is a bad actor.
jordan holmes
He is a bad person.
dan friesen
Yes.
So we get back to this idea that he touched on earlier, and that was that the Revolutionary War started in Virginia.
But he expands it here in this next clip.
This is weird.
alex jones
While the Senate trial, the President starts Tuesday, we'll be there live covering it from Capitol Hill.
Can you imagine?
We've got to be there.
While all of that is going on, just south of there in Virginia, where the Revolutionary War kicked off.
jordan holmes
Nope, still didn't.
alex jones
There in Boston, Massachusetts.
jordan holmes
Boston isn't in Virginia either.
alex jones
And where the Civil War started.
The deep state is obsessed with history repeating.
But they've learned history repeats.
And so if they can try to make history repeat, they've learned that's a lucky number.
And so they're betting, like a craps table, everything on Virginia and Charlottesville squared.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
dan friesen
If I understand correctly, the globalists don't have omnipresence, because of course they don't.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
A side effect of this is that they're obsessed with history repeating itself.
jordan holmes
They need to be.
dan friesen
As such, they're banking everything they have on this rally on Monday in Virginia, which Alex is calling Charlottesville Square.
jordan holmes
It's the only thing that makes sense.
dan friesen
Because they want to kick off another civil war, and that's where the old civil war started, as did the revolutionary war.
jordan holmes
Which is 100% true things.
dan friesen
Again, the revolutionary war started in Massachusetts, which, despite Alex's claim, is not the same place as Virginia.
There wasn't even a battle in Virginia until the Battle of Great Bridge, which was December 9th, 1775, a full eight months after Lexington and Concord.
jordan holmes
Many people call that the spiritual beginning of the Revolutionary War.
dan friesen
It seems like Alex is actually the one obsessed with pretending history repeats when he's got history wrong.
He's also completely wrong about the Civil War.
All mainline historians recognize the beginning of the Civil War being when the Confederate Army opened fire on Fort Sumter, which is not in Virginia, but is actually in South Carolina.
jordan holmes
Wow, I mean, there's that.
dan friesen
That was in April 1861, and it wasn't until a month later that there were some smaller battles, some off the coast of Virginia, but those weren't where the war started, nor were they pivotal moments in the Civil War.
If I had to guess, Alex might be thinking that the Civil War started in Virginia because that was where the first big land battle, the Battle of Bull Run, took place.
But that wasn't until July 1861, three months into open hostilities.
This was a big Confederate victory, so maybe he thinks that's where it all started, but that doesn't really make sense since Fort Sumter, that attack was an absolute Confederate victory.
What I'm getting at is that Alex's view of history is incoherent.
And he's just trying to bluff his way around, pretending that all the big wars in U.S. history started in Virginia to lend credence to his bullshit about the globalists wanting to kick off a civil war on Monday.
This is really sad.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it would be hard for history to repeat itself when it didn't happen in the first place.
That would be a difficult thing for...
Like, why would the globalists want history to repeat itself fictionally?
In an inaccurate historical perspective.
dan friesen
I don't know.
Patriot lore?
jordan holmes
Fair enough.
Lore is a good way to hand wave away.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Timey-wimey.
dan friesen
So, instead of talking about Governor Northam's press conference, and instead of touching on this story about these neo-Nazi arrests at all, Alex just starts rambling about Governor Northam and talking about how he wants to kill him.
alex jones
And the governor is running around, flapping his little vampire bat wings.
You talk about a peckerwood, man.
That guy's just...
I'm not going to go into that guy.
How weak he is, how pathetic he is, how evil he is.
And the fact that he's ruling over everybody and pissing on dead children, selling their freaking organs.
And the reason I'm mad is myself.
jordan holmes
You weren't invited.
alex jones
Tell me, you're bad.
You need to get him.
But they got it all set up where he's the victim.
If we stand up for kids, he's killing.
We're the bad guys, so we gotta sit there and watch him salivate and literally get an erection while he's talking about...
The man is an abomination, but here's the thing.
They'll make an attempt on his life.
I want him to live a long time in a prison cell I wish no harm upon.
unidentified
Governor Northam.
dan friesen
This is a new wrinkle that he got an erection while talking about babies and abortion.
jordan holmes
Right now, I'm just wondering, is Peckerwood a step above Naglezik?
dan friesen
It's hard to say.
jordan holmes
You know?
dan friesen
It's hard to say.
There's no clear hierarchy.
jordan holmes
I remember the Bible verse, though.
Remove the...
Wood from your pecker before trying to remove the needle from somebody else's dick.
dan friesen
Yes, that's in Proverbs.
Yeah, I remember that one.
Yeah, I mean, look, dude, this is all just Alex being like, everything in my being wants to kill him, but...
Society.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Down to my very core, my cells, I know in my heart that it's right to murder this man who up until now has done nothing to me in a negative fashion whatsoever.
But society's like, don't murder people who haven't bothered you.
dan friesen
So this just ends up with Alex rambling about Northam.
And then he gets into Michelle Wolf complaining about her, too, because there's the abortion thing.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Why not?
Toss her in there.
dan friesen
This is just...
This episode is fucking exhausting.
jordan holmes
This is incoherent.
dan friesen
It's so boring and stupid.
jordan holmes
Did you have to track down a lot of research for this particular episode?
dan friesen
I did not.
jordan holmes
You didn't?
Not a ton?
Okay.
alex jones
And she squats down like she's taking a dump when she talks about how she killed her child.
jordan holmes
Did you research that?
dan friesen
This is a reference to Michelle Wolfe's joke.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
The Psyopers go and then squat like you're taking a dump at the metaphysical image of it's a piece of crap.
jordan holmes
Family show.
dan friesen
So now Alex is saying that Michelle Wolfe didn't write her own material.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
The globalist wrote jokes.
alex jones
You know who's going to be flushed down the galactic toilet?
It's you, lady.
It's Michelle Wolfe.
You're damned hell because you made hell.
You built hell.
There's a place for people like you, lady, and you built it.
unidentified
So the governor, governor, good man, you're going to keep me comfortable.
Yeah, you're going to be kept real comfortable, son, let me tell you.
alex jones
God's going to keep you real comfortable because he'll give you your free will.
God said, you want to be cut off from me?
Boom, you're done.
Bye-bye.
You like oxygen?
You like this planet?
You like everything you got?
Your mama took care of you?
She didn't chop you up, Northam!
jordan holmes
God is a really weird dude.
unidentified
But you're a big man when you come into that baby feeling big, playing God up.
alex jones
That's what it's all about.
They all play God up.
He's got to do invoices now.
Because you're so damn dumb.
You need to poison everybody so you can feel big.
Oh, that's so powerful.
Oh, my God.
They love going into the mall and seeing half the kids mentally retarded for the damn shots.
It's way worse than what they say.
I mean, half the kids out there are freaking already dead, basically.
Great job, man.
unidentified
Great.
alex jones
You're a really cool guy.
Blowing out their transmitters.
With nanotech frickin' stuff they've had 30 years eating their synapses that connect electrochemically to the big guy.
Wow.
Wow.
You're gonna be cut off from God.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'm gonna go with that.
Yes.
That's the only thing that makes sense.
alex jones
If you think you're cutting those kids off from God, you're wrong.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
It's you.
Oh, no.
Eternally torn into pieces.
But I wish you a long, healthy life.
like an exhibit in a museum of what a piece of bullying, filthy, arrogant trash is.
unidentified
*Sigh*
alex jones
You know, there's nobody that just likes plugging more than me.
The products are great.
jordan holmes
And you like fighting for me.
alex jones
And you like standing up.
And you like getting great products.
Go to m4store.com.
dan friesen
Wow.
jordan holmes
Oh my god, I threw my back out from that transition.
That was, I feel like a crash test dummy right now that I just went into the wall and the car exploded.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
This is just, this is embarrassing.
jordan holmes
Man, God sounds a lot like a middle-aged Texan man with six wasps where a brain should be.
dan friesen
Yeah, he sounds like Alex projecting.
jordan holmes
Yeah, a little bit.
dan friesen
So anyway, I left that a little bit of a longer clip because I wanted you to feel it.
Like, this is what this episode is like.
jordan holmes
I wanted you to feel it.
It's brutal.
Father, why have you forsaken me?
Oh, why have I forsaken you?
Because you're a big dummy, Jesus.
Anyways, we'll see you in a little bit.
dan friesen
Anyway, I hate to plug.
jordan holmes
Nobody hates plugging more than me.
dan friesen
What a dick.
jordan holmes
Nobody dislikes plugging more than me.
dan friesen
So I told you that Skinner was going to come up.
And here's the clip where that comes up.
alex jones
He's just gotta turn it loose.
dan friesen
Alex is describing what God told him.
Just to give you some context.
alex jones
He's just gotta turn it loose.
And you gotta take action.
And you gotta let me take control.
And you gotta be satisfied, son.
Because that's all God wants.
unidentified
Like the song from Leonard Skinner.
jordan holmes
Direct line to God there.
dan friesen
First of all, what the fuck kind of southerner does Alex think he is?
He can't remember the name of Simple Man?
I reckon that where I come from, that's a brickin'.
You show up at the karaoke bars I used to frequent and forget the name of a Skinnered song, you're gonna get a bottle of paste picante sauce thrown at you.
jordan holmes
New York City!
dan friesen
Anyway, the bigger issue here is that we're now an hour into this episode, and Alex just cannot get himself to cover the story about neo-Nazi arrests at all.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
He's vaguely referenced Governor Northam giving a press conference, but he's literally been talking about nothing for an hour.
jordan holmes
He gave a press conference about nothing.
dan friesen
Outside of a couple of supremely weird things, he says this whole episode has just been treading water.
And it doesn't end.
Like, he comes back into the second hour, and what do you know?
Still talking about nothing.
alex jones
If you walked into a car dealership and a dude walked over like that, you'd hide your children.
But look at this latest photo.
HBO teams with CNN's Brian Stelter for documentary about the rise of fake news.
And you can guess who's going to be starring in that.
jordan holmes
Carlson?
dan friesen
Alex is probably going to get a mention.
jordan holmes
Maybe a footnote.
dan friesen
I would love it if Brian Stelter's whole show is just laughing about how Alex can't stop talking about him.
unidentified
So he does a long segment on Brian Stelter.
jordan holmes
Of course, of course.
Big news!
dan friesen
Also, it gets weirdly esoteric in the middle of this complaint about Brian Stelter's physical appearance.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
You know, from time to time, I will look at Stelter because I want to know what the devil looks like.
Let me tell you, that's it, folks.
In Satan's army, that's what generals look like.
Fake, empty slaves.
And he's blind as a Batman.
He's tone deaf.
And he ain't Beethoven.
He doesn't have any feeling.
He doesn't have anything.
He is literally the bottom of the universe.
He is the scum of the earth.
He is an absolutely destroyed, soulless piece of trash.
dan friesen
Hold on a second.
Mic down for the rest of this clip, because Alex is going to...
I really don't know what he's talking about, and I do need your help to parse this.
jordan holmes
Okay, okay.
alex jones
And I don't say that to victoriously declare it.
I'm saying get away from it.
Run!
Get behind me, Satan!
Let's get as fast as we can.
Let's take our children and race to the other side of the universe from that.
Because at the next level, you're going to find out what's really going on, folks.
And I'm telling you, it's already a race.
A bomb was detonated.
This is a weapon.
And God has spread out alive as fast as God can because we think of God as invincible and omnipresent and God is if we believe in God and stand up.
But let me tell you, the bomb, the bomb doesn't think it just destroys.
It carries out the destruction of children, period.
It's its primary mission.
It's all it does is kill life.
And they see children as the potential of the future and they attack, attack.
That's why they're powerful, is because it's a program.
It's not a soul.
dan friesen
I get it.
jordan holmes
I get it all.
I get it all.
I totally got this one.
dan friesen
Can I ask, do you understand this because there's a piece of sci-fi that you've read that I haven't?
jordan holmes
It's close.
It's very close to that.
I know you are familiar with this, though.
This is Peter Pan, Dan.
This is exactly Peter Pan.
It's all in the God is as strong if we all believe in him.
God is Tinkerbell.
The force that is killing all of the children, that's the fucking pirate and the crocodile.
It all makes sense.
He is completely confusing the plot to Peter Pan with God.
dan friesen
I think there's a possibility that you're right.
I mean, the Tinkerbell part of it is very overt.
unidentified
If everybody claps their hands, God only has that power if you believe it.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
That's weird.
jordan holmes
That's Tinkerbell.
dan friesen
I get what he's saying at the end, that, like, the demons are a computer program, not a soul.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
I mean, I don't agree with him, but I get what he's saying.
I understand it conceptually.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And I think the other stuff about, like, there's a bomb that's been detonated.
jordan holmes
Aha!
There's a bomb in the crocodile.
dan friesen
True.
I'm convinced.
I mean, all that is is to express that there is a timeline or there's a deadline that we've got to get off the planet by the demon program.
jordan holmes
Because the bomb has already been detonated.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
So we're running away from the bomb's detritus.
dan friesen
Right.
Because Brian Stelter looks bad.
jordan holmes
Yes, that is correct.
That is what started it.
All right.
That's where God began.
dan friesen
We're like a half hour into the second hour of the show now, and he will not talk about anything that means anything.
jordan holmes
Man!
dan friesen
He did, I will say, he did give a long retelling of the story of the prodigal son.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
It seemed actually it was kind of close to the actual story, but I'm not positive the metaphor he was trying to make.
And it was way too long for me to cut a clip for it, but everyone should know, he's getting closer.
jordan holmes
With children's Bible stories.
Of course, of course.
dan friesen
So that's good.
jordan holmes
I'm waiting for him to give a critical breakdown of Don Quixote and why he's right on every single time.
dan friesen
Oh, yeah.
jordan holmes
Fuck those windmills!
Those were the ones who were causing all the problems.
Jesus came down from Earth to protect us from windmills.
That's why the Jews put him on a windmill and he spun around.
Everybody knows that's what got him.
dan friesen
Sancho Panza deserved to be treated like that.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I'll say that this clip, I was working pretty late last night, getting all the stuff ready for the episode.
It might have been about two in the morning.
I was hitting this point.
Maybe one or so.
But whatever the case, I lost my mind.
jordan holmes
This is where I would have been flagging long before this.
I'm amazed you made it this far.
dan friesen
This next clip made me lose my mind laughing.
alex jones
Everybody knows.
It's not bragging.
You just need to know the enemy knows this.
Infowars is the spirit of the people.
You're the best people that love America.
You really are.
I mean, you love God.
And we're not boasting.
We need to recognize that the elect of God that love justice and love freedom and aren't hypocrites and aren't fakes.
Listen to this show.
dan friesen
That just made me lose my shit.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
God's elect.
jordan holmes
God's elect.
We're not bragging.
No, no, no.
This isn't boasting.
dan friesen
Nah.
jordan holmes
We're just God's chosen people.
dan friesen
It just so happens that all of the good people in the universe are the people who listen and believe my outrageous bullshit.
jordan holmes
What's even crazier is that all the good people in the universe love me.
Love me specifically.
Perhaps maybe the only thing that actually unites all of these good people is their love for me.
And I'm not saying I'm God.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
I'm not boasting.
dan friesen
So, at this point, Alex finally gets to the neo-Nazi arrest news.
I'm lying.
He doesn't.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
alex jones
Just like I'm not worshipping myself, I'm pissed at myself not doing enough.
So is Owen Schroeder.
Look at him kicking ass.
Because that's where you get stuff done.
And that's when you win the game.
And this isn't some football game.
This is our families and the whole shooting match we're talking about.
So, if you're not fired up, just go serve Satan and get on your knees.
And decide you want to be a Brian Stelter.
So I got up this morning and I saw this Infowars.com article and I went and saw other stories about it.
Dental assistant.
I was a dental assistant once.
Yeah.
How about nepotism?
My dad got me a job with a dentist.
jordan holmes
Yes, you were.
alex jones
Six months made good money doing this minimal training.
But dental assistant fired for expressing support for Trump on Facebook.
dan friesen
So Alex is gearing up here to interview his conservative victim of the week.
This time it's a Milwaukee woman named Robin Pollack who claims she was fired from her dental assistant job because she posted Make America Great Again on Facebook.
Unfortunately, this doesn't really seem to be totally true.
Apparently someone left a bad review on her employer's Facebook page claiming that her social media was offensive and racist.
And that might have led to the termination, but it doesn't seem like supporting Trump was the offensive or racist thing.
CBS 58 out of Milwaukee found some of her Facebook posts where she had posted things like suggesting that President Obama was the leader of ISIS.
jordan holmes
Alright, well that one's troubling.
dan friesen
It's possible that someone saw that post, found it offensive, racist even, and made the complaint to her employer.
I have no idea what the reality is here, because she says that she was fired for supporting Trump, which is exactly what she should do in the circumstance that she finds herself in.
Victimhood narratives are like catnip to the conservative media, so she's going to get a lot of play out of this, and plenty of opportunities to promote, let's say, a GoFundMe, like the one she's already launched, called, quote, wrongfully fired for saying a MAGA, and good for her.
Her employer says that they didn't fire her for supporting Trump, and according to the labor attorney that CBS spoke to, even if they did, that wouldn't be illegal.
Political opinions are not protected speech from an employment perspective.
Alex tells her to sue her former employee and that she has a slam dunk case, but I sincerely hope that she's been paying attention to Alex's legal situation and knows better than to think he's a good source on the law.
This gets a big old who cares from me.
I generally err on the side of labor, so I would say that the employer probably shouldn't have fired her if she was just posting dumb memes online or whatever, but also I accept there might be a whole lot more posts that I'm not aware of, and I can't possibly be bothered to look for them.
And honestly, the solution to this problem isn't going on Alex's show and complaining about dumb free speech shit.
It's fighting for stronger protections for employees.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you would think that.
Stronger unions.
No, you can't have unions.
You need protections for employees.
And employers need to just...
Willingly give those out.
As we all know, they were always interested in protecting their employees.
dan friesen
The Western Christian ethos will make these employers...
jordan holmes
Whatever.
dan friesen
Also, I possibly can't care about Alex making a big deal out of someone possibly being fired for supporting Trump when he didn't give a shit about people who were actually fired specifically because they supported Obama.
In November 2012, the Huffington Post covered a case of a man who owned an aviation service company in Georgia who fired two employees specifically because they voted for Obama.
It was part of his backlash for Obamacare passing, but I'm sure Alex didn't cry about that on air.
Strange.
unidentified
There are plenty of other cases like that, but people fired for supporting Obama, but pointing out hypocrisy is misogynistic.
dan friesen
I only bring up this point at all to help explain...
That what's going on here is not Alex being offended that someone would be fired for their political beliefs.
It's a play he's putting on to amplify feelings of political victimhood.
Anyway, Alex interviews her about how she likes Trump because, again...
He can't handle covering this news about these neo-Nazi arrests.
jordan holmes
It really seems like he's not interested.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
It doesn't seem like he wants to get to it.
dan friesen
It doesn't seem like he's not interested in terms of like he just doesn't cover the story.
jordan holmes
Oh no, it seems like he's wildly and incredibly interested in not talking about it.
dan friesen
It seems like he's desperately trying to fling himself in every other direction.
jordan holmes
Anything.
Please.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Please, some story.
dan friesen
And he also says that this interview is set up on short notice.
It seems like, oh, this is good filler.
This is red meat.
jordan holmes
See, what I don't understand is if it were me and I'm pulling this shit, I would have brought up the professor who got fired over saying, Ron, if you want some targets, here are some cultural sites.
That guy got fired.
And sure, you disagree with him, but here's a cheap way.
Again, nobody cares about hypocrisy.
Nobody gives a shit.
You just point that out and be like, see, look, I don't care.
I'm all about free speech.
dan friesen
I don't think that plays to his audience.
jordan holmes
Win, move on.
dan friesen
That doesn't play.
Anyway, I was listening to this and I thought, well, this will be skippable.
Unfortunately, it is not skippable.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
Because in the middle of the interview, this dental assistant's baby.
Comes over.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
And Alex decides it would be a good idea to try and interview this baby.
jordan holmes
I love it.
dan friesen
He gets a little bit esoteric.
And this is one of the creepier things that I've heard on his show.
alex jones
It's like you're not even a human.
They fire you because you said, oh, there's your baby.
Bring your baby in here.
unidentified
He wants to see you.
He heard your voice.
He said, he's got a loud voice, mama.
Say hi.
Hi.
alex jones
Hey, what's your name, buddy?
That's awesome.
You love your mommy?
unidentified
Yeah.
alex jones
You love God?
unidentified
Yeah.
alex jones
Yeah, you know God loves you.
unidentified
Yeah.
alex jones
You look just like your mommy.
unidentified
I know, we get that a lot.
alex jones
Let me talk to him some more.
What do you want to do when you grow up?
unidentified
I'll be like Spider-Man.
He wants to be like Spider-Man.
alex jones
You know what Spider-Man's motto is?
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
Yeah.
alex jones
With great power comes great responsibility.
You know, you have a lot of power.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
Spider-Man shoots webs, he says.
alex jones
Yep.
Spider-Man sees the webs before he shoots them.
Knowing what the web is, when you watch this 10 years from now, knowing the web is the web.
unidentified
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
Knowing the web is the web.
unidentified
Here's what I'm going to say to this three-year-old.
alex jones
Knowing the web is the web.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, for Alex, like, all of his talk, like, all the time about, like, globalists wanting to attack children, his interaction with a child is...
Creepy.
Unnerving.
alex jones
Creepy.
unidentified
Yeah, very weird.
jordan holmes
Man, you know what?
Here's the worst part.
I think Alex really does love Spider-Man.
dan friesen
Baby.
jordan holmes
And I think he really did hate Spider-Man into the Spider-Verse.
dan friesen
Probably.
jordan holmes
Because Miles Morales was Spider-Man, and he was notoriously non-white.
And yet, that's the best Spider-Man movie.
This is why racism is bad.
You don't even get to enjoy the best Spider-Man movie.
dan friesen
I would say there's other reasons, but...
jordan holmes
Well, there's that point taken.
Yes, there are other reasons.
dan friesen
So he interviews that baby for a little bit longer, and it's just...
Upset.
jordan holmes
How does it go?
dan friesen
It's not great.
jordan holmes
I feel like he's going to try and ask the baby out on a date.
dan friesen
Eventually, the mother shuts it down.
So anyway, they just talk about how Trump's great and how she shouldn't have been fired and whatever.
But they get to a commercial break and Alex gives up the game.
unidentified
I'm trying to find an attorney that's perfect for the situation, and I've had a few people contact me, but it's like, it's a very, very fine line because Wisconsin is that state where they can fire you for anything.
alex jones
No, I get it at cause, but they can't do it in a discriminatory way because of your political views.
The point is, it doesn't matter what the lawyers say.
They need to be punished.
dan friesen
And here, you see that the mask for concern for the law slips away, and Alex reveals what this is really about.
He feels attacked by proxy because this woman is saying she was fired because she supports Trump, and all he wants is payback.
He knows damn well that she can be fired for her political beliefs, or for no reason at all.
Wisconsin's an at-will employment state, and political belief is not a protected category of speech in an employment setting.
He's been pretending that it is the whole interview, but here at the end, he acknowledges that it's not about that.
Who cares what the lawyers say?
This company needs to be punished.
He doesn't want to punish them for breaking the law.
He wants them punished because they've done something he sees as being against the world of Trump.
This isn't about anything other than vengeance and wanting to see anyone who is against the leader be punished.
This is super fucked up.
Especially as a way to sort of wrap up this interview that was about how the people firing her were authoritarians, but whatever.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Alex knows his audience won't even notice, so who gives a shit?
jordan holmes
No.
It's always so frustrating to me when we're being, like, when people on the left are being demonized and we're the evil ones and we're trying to destroy everybody, and then you hear this interview and you're like, lady, the stuff I believe would have protected you too.
Even though I disagree with you.
dan friesen
It would have been more likely to.
jordan holmes
Even though you disagree with me, what I'm going for would benefit the both of us.
And what you want benefits not even you.
dan friesen
Doesn't seem like it.
jordan holmes
Lady.
dan friesen
I thought that was going to be the end of the interview.
jordan holmes
How could it not be?
dan friesen
Well, it turns out when they come back, they engage in some pretty fucked up behavior.
jordan holmes
Great.
unidentified
This person that wrongfully, like...
Blasted you and made you lose your job.
They were like, you need to put him on blast, too.
But he's gone completely MIA.
alex jones
Do you know who this turd blossom is?
unidentified
His name's William.
He lives in Two Rivers, which is like north of Milwaukee.
So he doesn't even live in the Milwaukee area.
alex jones
Or maybe that's a name.
We don't know who it is.
Someone's creeping around making sure women lose their jobs for supporting the president.
He's a wonderful person.
unidentified
He's a real person.
He's got a record, a long record and stuff.
Oh, he's a bully.
alex jones
He bullies women.
I'm surprised.
dan friesen
I understand how this woman probably feels like it's no big deal to say this guy's name on Alex's show and point out that he's the reason she got fired, but Alex should really have learned his lesson by now.
He's currently being sued for his part in instigating the harassment experienced by the Sandy Hook families, and now here he is essentially doxing this dude and saying that he likes to bully women.
Alex's audience is probably not nearly as potentially dangerous as it once was, but this is so fucking irresponsible, no matter what.
Alex can't do this sort of shit, putting targets on private citizens, whether or not he feels like they deserve it.
I just don't think he cares what happens because he wants people who he feels have wronged Trump supporters to be punished.
Hopefully this doesn't lead to another lawsuit for him.
jordan holmes
This very naive woman.
She just has no idea.
She just has no idea.
She's talking to him.
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
She's talking to him like a person.
Oh, yeah, he's this guy.
He lives up in there.
She doesn't realize what is possible.
dan friesen
Maybe.
jordan holmes
I can't believe she does.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I mean, they talk some more about needing to go after these people.
jordan holmes
Okay, well, then never mind.
unidentified
My friends are, you know, the one thing that they...
As being said, it's a lot about the dental office and stuff, Precision Dental, and blasting all of them, when at the same time, they should be blasting this guy, too, because if he never made that post or review, I'd still be at work, and I'd be at work right now.
alex jones
You're saying, why go after Precision Dental when we should go after and expose this un-American, this anti-human, this anti-free expression, this wannabe slave master?
unidentified
Right.
Well, I think that we should go out there both.
It's a big deal, you know?
I was wrongfully fired because of his review.
dan friesen
Maybe she's talking about suing him or engaging in a legal process, but she's on a show that, you know, going after him is not the sort of thing anybody should be engaging in.
jordan holmes
These people are so stupid.
dan friesen
Yeah, so they have this interview.
It's pointless and whatever.
And it wraps up pretty close after this.
And Alex immediately gets to his next guest.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
We're not going to talk about this guest, and I'm going to explain why after this clip.
But this clip really worried me.
Because Alex started talking about his lies about this Texas threat assessment report.
But as he was trying to describe his own narrative, I kind of got the sense he...
You'll see.
This is really troubling.
alex jones
We've got our next guest on, and I just want to get this out right up front here.
The state police have put out a report, we put these reports out years ago, saying that incels, people that are into post-humanist movements, environmental movements, and into Satanism, and into involuntary celibacy, are almost every mass shooter.
dan friesen
That clip makes me pretty concerned that Alex doesn't know what an incel is.
Like, if you were to ask me, my first response wouldn't be someone who's into post-humanist movements, environmental movements, and Satanism.
I definitely, without a doubt, wouldn't say that they are people who are into involuntary celibacy.
That's kind of right there in the word involuntary.
jordan holmes
It is a bit of an oxymoron, yes.
dan friesen
There's a baseline issue here that Alex is absolutely lying about this Texas threat assessment report that he definitely hasn't read.
But clips like this really make me deeply worried that he doesn't even have a conceptual grasp on the stuff he's saying.
If he doesn't know what an incel is, how can he possibly have any understanding of what he's talking about?
It's really scary, the level of irresponsibility that he seems to be approaching his job with.
That's fucked up.
jordan holmes
Yeah, for somebody who, even in his own fucked up worldview, is obsessed with fucking chivalry, I would...
dan friesen
Also, so I said we're not going to talk about this next guest.
He's the guy who disrupted the mass shooter at the church in Sutherland Springs, Texas.
I'm not going to cover this interview, primarily because I don't want to appear to be judging this guy too harshly.
I read an article about him in Texas Monthly, and he seems like a decent guy who had a life-changing experience, and since, he's been cast as the archetype of a good guy with a gun.
I'll read you a little bit here from the article.
Quote, He didn't ask to be a citation in someone else's debate.
His experience is more than a data point.
Those seven minutes ravaged his community.
This guy and I do not see eye to eye on politics at all, but he seems earnest.
How I would put it is that he's anti-abortion, but he also says in the interview that some of the stuff Alex is saying sounds like a conspiracy and he doesn't want to engage with it.
In the intro to the interview, Alex makes it clear that this guy had no idea who Alex was before agreeing to come on the show, so I'm going to give him a pass and not beat him up for making a bad choice of a show to go on.
It doesn't seem worth anyone's time.
But because this guy is on...
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
He didn't know who Alex was, but his wife had told him that he lied about Sandy Hook.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So, in the intro to the interview, Alex starts rationalizing his behavior about Sandy Hook and accidentally admits exactly what he's accused of.
jordan holmes
God damn it!
What an idiot.
dan friesen
This is basically a confession.
alex jones
I'm just getting this off my chest because he was asking me about it the other day.
Everything's out on the air now.
There's nothing secret here.
None of it.
And I used to follow what the internet thought.
You know, because the internet's like, we don't believe this happened and blah, blah, blah.
Here's this anomaly.
And then years later I found out, well, I think that did happen.
Those anomalies were false.
The minute, though, I went and said, hey, stop saying I'm the Sandy Hook guy.
I barely talked about it.
I think it happened.
They went, oh, you lied about it.
You said nobody died.
You lied about that.
You knew that to make it my identity when I hardly ever talked about it.
So I want my identity back, and I want listeners to understand it's not about me.
It's about how they change the subject.
dan friesen
In that clip, Alex just basically admitted to what he's being accused of in this lawsuit.
What he's saying is that back in the day, he used to just believe whatever he read on dumb conspiracy sites online.
Let's be honest, that's not a back-in-the-day thing.
That's basically his business model.
So back in the day, Alex was seeing all these anomalies online about the Sandy Hook shooting, and he was convinced of them until he wasn't.
And then when he said that he thought the shooting did happen, that's when people pounced and accused him of lying.
This demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding about why what he did was bad.
It's not so much a matter of him lying about anything, it's that he took these completely baseless and fraudulent claims that he read online, almost all of which came from Jim Fetzer and Wolfgang Helbig, and he reported them as fact on his show.
He didn't report them as, the internet has a question about this thing and we're going to debate whether or not it's actually strange.
He just repeated bullshit from the internet and pretended that it came from real sources.
Honestly, I think that clip is tantamount to a confession.
And Alex can go fuck himself because I want my identity back bullshit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no.
No, you earned it.
That is your identity.
You gotta own it.
And you don't want to.
alex jones
Nope.
jordan holmes
Because it's bad.
dan friesen
Nope.
So Alex has Matt Bracken hosting the fourth hour of the 16th, and it is worthwhile to note that...
Matt Bracken also recently made an appearance on Red Ice Radio.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
The white supremacist neo-Nazi adjacent show that he was on there to talk about the Virginia situation.
unidentified
Oh, really?
dan friesen
Yeah, offer technical advice.
jordan holmes
I assume he was against it.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Oh, wait!
dan friesen
I mean, it was...
jordan holmes
He was against the way they got...
dan friesen
He is against the globalists trying to set up a...
Who cares?
jordan holmes
Yeah, sure.
dan friesen
He's up to no good.
So anyway, he's hosting the fourth hour.
But before he comes on, Alex does a little segment on the fourth hour.
And the audio is a little bit different on this.
I'm not entirely sure why.
But we can just have a little bit of fun on the way out here.
alex jones
Man, Dave Mustaine told me like six years ago, he goes, I want you to write my next album.
And I was like, you're joking.
Not that I'm just too busy.
It's Dave Mustaine that wrote Till Them All.
He wrote this song.
Then the album came out.
It was all Info Wars.
So he wrote it.
Let's hear a little bit of Dave Mustaine.
unidentified
Ha!
This is the Horseman Rise.
right Choose your faith and die!
You must choose your faith.
Yes!
Yes!
You've been dying since the day you were born.
You know it's all been planned.
A sinner once, a sinner twice.
You need no confessions now.
Because now you've got some company.
Lock up your wife and children now.
It's time to wield the blade.
All the jokes, all the games are almost over.
Now, reality begins to set in.
The great animating content in America, who they believe was asleep, is awake.
Is awake.
Is now.
This is a drawing of its brain, not to attack, but to defend.
You can feel the spirit as never before rising.
It's unstoppable.
alex jones
But if the public can be deceived by stage false flag attacks, if they can stage a mass shooting and have us buy into it, and have us tower and not challenge the event when it happens, they could snatch victory from the jaws of defeat.
dan friesen
Ah, that sucks.
It was all just leading to a false flag thing all along.
Also, I think that Dave Mustaine probably was like, ha ha, man, yeah, you should write my album.
I don't think, I would imagine it's not serious.
Holy shit, that would be a bad album.
jordan holmes
That would be a bad album.
dan friesen
Very derivative.
jordan holmes
I do feel like Alex is angling to write his own metal opera, though.
I think he could pull it off.
dan friesen
He would be the, like, Shatner of metal.
Just talking weirdly over...
unidentified
And everybody knows that when the aliens come, they will find us.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
So, yeah, that is indicating how he is in the fourth hour, like his mood.
And he says this at the end, and I have a slightly different thought about his behavior than how he describes it.
alex jones
I can sit here, and I can worry all day about what's going to happen in Virginia.
And I can sit there and beat my brains out, and I can sit there and get upset and yell at the crew.
The crew's like, man, you're as happy as pumpkin pie today.
What's going on?
unidentified
Because I woke up at about 3.10 a.m. last night.
alex jones
I worked till about 1 a.m.
So I'm going to sleep by two hours.
And I just woke up and I never felt the Spirit of God so strong.
And I was just in some fake Bible fucking crap here.
dan friesen
Alex has absolutely not been in a good mood throughout this episode.
He's been very weird and yelling about the devil a whole lot.
I guess he's not in as bad a mood as one might expect, considering the circumstances, and I think the reason for that is not that he's been feeling the spirit, it's that he's been the textbook definition of escapist on this show.
There's real news to cover, but instead of talking about any of the stuff he's supposed to know about, he rambled about abortion and Michelle Wolfe and how Brian Stelter is ugly, then interviewed a dental assistant.
Alex is a coward, because there's a story that he needed to address, and he couldn't even bring himself to talk about it at all.
Two cells of suspected white supremacist terrorists were arrested, at least one of them having plans to attend the rally in Richmond.
And all Alex can do is make vague pronouncements about false flags and lie his ass off about the Texas threat assessment.
This is a weak, weak man.
The news about the first three men arrested had broken in the Hill by 11.41 Eastern Time on the 16th, or an hour and a half before he went on air Austin Time.
There's no excuse for this.
The rally is an event he's been building up as the site of a globalist false flag that will start the next civil war.
And he's attending the event.
Yeah, that's...
relevant to his coverage, and honestly, he has a responsibility to address it.
Even if it's just to say that they're false flag globalist neo-Nazis or something.
But he's too chicken shit to even stake his flag there.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it is...
It could not be more glaring in its absence.
unidentified
Totally.
jordan holmes
It could not be more an admission of guilt than not saying anything about it.
That's legitimately enough for a guilty plea.
dan friesen
I feel like if I had to guess, it's probably a situation where I was like, I don't want to alienate them.
jordan holmes
I don't want to say that I don't like them.
I can't.
dan friesen
This is the infuriating kind of Alex Jones right here.
He's an embodiment of a very serious problem, and I would sum it up like this.
Most people would not have a problem with normal, law-abiding citizens carrying guns at a Second Amendment rally.
It's kind of what you would expect.
jordan holmes
They would expect it.
dan friesen
The problem lies in the extremist elements that have been drawn to this rally with the constant over-the-top, the next civil war is going to start, there's a false flag playing, the globalists are going to do it.
Without the propaganda machine that hypes up these sorts of events, this rally would not be taking on the sort of character that it is.
And Alex and his ilk have played a role in causing that.
And Alex doesn't give a shit.
Even if there is a shooting at the rally, he won't be there.
He's pretending he's going to this rally, but he basically doesn't even appear at these events outside of his armored tank anymore.
And I'm certain they're not going to let that get close to where the people are.
This is a marketing opportunity for Alex.
His brand is the Second Amendment guy and 1776 is going to start again guy.
So he's going to Virginia like he's an actor going to LA for pilot season.
He's going for exposure.
All the while, the people of Richmond have to deal with this.
Like, this is just disgusting.
And I can't stress enough, like, he had to talk about that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He had to.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And he didn't.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
That's, I...
jordan holmes
You can't.
You just can't.
That's not a thing that can be done.
That's not an acceptable thing to do.
It is simply...
I don't even know where to begin with policing that kind of concept.
All I know is that from any reasonable standpoint, him doing nothing but...
Fucking God is saying this and Brian Seltzer's a demon after his insanely inflammatory rhetoric helped lead to the situation that we are currently in.
Not that I'm giving him any kind of direct blame for these cats, but it is fucking imperative that he say that it's bad.
dan friesen
Or say they're part of the false flag.
jordan holmes
Or say it's a false flag, but even then he's saying it's bad.
He's saying it's bad.
Even if he is saying that it's a false flag, he is at least saying that committing a terrorist act is a bad thing.
dan friesen
But even from the really early part of the show where Alex says they're going to try and kill Trump this week, I sense that he's aware of that news.
I don't think that he's unaware.
jordan holmes
No, he can't be.
dan friesen
And that's one of the parts of it that makes it really difficult for me to swallow this entire show.
That it is just escapist.
It is just him rambling about abortion and Northam and Michelle Wolf and Stelter and the devil and interviewing a dental assistant and the guy who disrupted the shooting at Sutherland Springs.
It's almost like anything not to cover.
The one thing you need to.
jordan holmes
It is simply impossible for him to not know about it.
If I get a tweet whenever, like, five minutes after a Caitlin Bennett thing goes viral, he got a fucking text.
Two seconds.
After that.
Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if he got a text six hours before that saying somebody we know is going down.
dan friesen
Also, to that point, to thank everybody who tweeted me about National Treasure 3 coming out.
jordan holmes
Yes, we're all very excited.
dan friesen
We're all very excited.
jordan holmes
I know.
It's an important thing for us.
dan friesen
So I said we're going to cover the 17th, too.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He's not in there.
dan friesen
Basically not.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there we go.
dan friesen
Paul Joseph Watson ends up hosting.
But before he does, Alex recorded a little message.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
And so, yeah, we can hate each other and kill each other all day over what color we are.
And then they're manipulating as the supposed savior, saying, oh, we're going to take your rights and liberties away to stop the racism and the cultural divide that they're stoking.
It's disgusting.
So we don't need white guilt and we don't need white genocide.
We don't need to be told white people are bad and it is okay to be white.
It's great to be white.
It's great to be black.
It's great to be brown.
It's great to be human.
I don't go down here almost every week and eat at the local soul food place because black people own it.
I eat the food because I like it.
And that's what this gets back to.
It's what you stand for, what you produce.
That's how you measure things.
I've said it a thousand times.
I listen to Jimi Hendrix.
Not because he's black.
Incredible guitarist.
An incredible voice.
An incredible songwriter.
jordan holmes
Well, that settles it.
He's not racist, Dan.
alex jones
That's the same thing.
It's great to be black.
It's great to be white.
It's great to be everything.
They're planning something big in Virginia.
Everybody knows it.
I'm going to be on the ground there.
Let me do this.
I never do this in the first segment.
This is going to cost us a lot of money to go to Virginia.
dan friesen
Gets into a plug.
He did a pre-recorded thing about how you shouldn't have white guilt and everybody's great and I love soul food and Jimi Hendrix's music is great and I'm not a racist and oh, it's going to cost a lot to go to Virginia.
jordan holmes
Alright, Alex, I know you're not going to be in studio tomorrow so we just got to record a quick plug.
We just need you to plug this so we can cover some of these costs.
I know it seems crazy.
Okay, so we're just going to start with we have a lot of great products.
Go ahead and start there.
No, okay, no, you're doing a lot of weird racist shit.
dan friesen
I'm against white genocide.
jordan holmes
Okay, no, I think that's great.
I think that's great.
Let's just start from the top one more time, okay?
dan friesen
So, I mean, that's still not even, like, directly addressing the situation.
unidentified
Not at all.
dan friesen
But it's all still, like, there's something big planned.
There's a plan of something big.
And that constant drumbeat of, like, this is going to be a false flag.
There's going to be a false flag.
It's all just super irresponsible.
I detest it.
I find this to be, like...
Life is real.
And this sort of shit, trickling into the real world, it's intolerable.
jordan holmes
There is so much that right-wing media is simply not held accountable for in terms of stoking this constant paranoia in order to take advantage of these people in terms of money and votes.
That is what...
The conservative media sphere is doing and has done and will never be held accountable for it, I guess.
I guess that's just not something that happens.
dan friesen
It doesn't seem like it's a high priority.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
Anyway, we come to the end of this and all I can really say is I hope that calmer heads prevail and that everything is alright and everyone's safe.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And things go off without any incident, but I have no idea since we're recording this on Sunday, like I said.
I mean, this episode sucks, and it's mostly just an extended Alex being a douche and trying to lay preemptive groundwork for a narrative no matter what happens.
Now, that is all stupid, but...
We did get to hear Alex interview a baby.
jordan holmes
He did interview a baby.
dan friesen
So that's something.
jordan holmes
Now here's the other thing, though, that includes him interviewing a baby.
He managed to be shameful in every single possible aspect of running a broadcast like his.
dan friesen
True.
jordan holmes
I mean, he didn't miss anything.
Even going so far down.
Even going so far down, he never added a baby to this before.
dan friesen
That's a fair point.
jordan holmes
So he's got it from every...
dan friesen
Look, he's trying to bring in animals.
jordan holmes
He's done it all.
This is pathetic in every possible way.
dan friesen
We may be at the bottom of the barrel.
jordan holmes
We're getting the checklist.
We're running low on the checklist.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
So anyway, we'll be back.
But until then.
We have a website.
jordan holmes
We do have a website.
It's knowledgefight.com.
dan friesen
And we're also on Twitter.
jordan holmes
We are on Twitter.
It's at knowledge underscore fight.
Now go to Ben Jordan.
dan friesen
We're on Facebook.
jordan holmes
We are on Facebook.
And if you would like to download the show, please go to iTunes, write a review, leave a message, donate, do the whole fucking thing, please.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Until next time, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX Clark.
I am the juiciest ice cube.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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