Today, Dan and Jordan wrap up their investigation into Alex Jones' coverage after the tragedy at Sandy Hook, having realized they'd already found what they were looking for. In this installment, the gents jump ahead to cover a couple interviews with Wolfgang Halbig to see how Alex carried himself in that setting.
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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys. | |
| Knowledge fight. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Hey, everybody. | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
| I'm Jordan. | ||
| We're a couple dudes. | ||
| I like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Indeed we are, Dan. | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| We've had quite a few lost recently, but have there ever been a musician whose death got to you? | ||
| I can't think about this question because I'm realizing as I say Jordan, I could just continue it and say Jordana Brewster. | ||
| Who was in Fast and Furious. | ||
| That's where we're at. | ||
| I got lost. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| Dan? | ||
| Who's your favorite character in the Fast and Furious, Dan? | ||
| Well, I can link these two together. | ||
| Paul Walker's character dies because he passed away tragically. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| That was pretty emotional. | ||
| That was rough. | ||
| No, I'll get back to your original question. | ||
| I guess maybe ODB, Dirty Bastard, probably hit me pretty hard. | ||
| I mean, I was probably, what, 19, 20, 21, somewhere around there? | ||
| Yeah, that's right. | ||
| When he passed, and the last two years of his life were very sad. | ||
| And he was an instrumental part of me liking the Wu-Tang Clan. | ||
| I appreciated his... | ||
| His antics. | ||
| Joie de vivre. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And his sort of perspective. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| That's probably not a great answer. | ||
| No, I think that's a... | ||
| See, the thing about that is I didn't get into Wu-Tang until after ODB had died. | ||
| I grew up in middle of nowhere, small town, where everybody was like, rap music is... | ||
| Like, that was it. | ||
| So it wasn't until I left that... | ||
| I was like, oh, that's right, Wu-Tang. | ||
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Gotcha. | |
| Yeah, I'm trying to wreck my brain. | ||
| I mean, of course, obviously, there are people like Bowie or Prince. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| But those are guys that I like and I definitely appreciate, but there wasn't as much of an emotional connection as, per se, my youth. | ||
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Right, right, right. | |
| The chaoticness of his character and, I mean, granted, his real life really matched a lot of the... | ||
| The feelings that I had as a younger person. | ||
| So you saw yourself in him? | ||
| Well, certainly without the explicit drug use necessarily or certain circumstances of life. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| Or the old dirty moniker. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But there were things that I could connect to in him and seeing him dying was very sad. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I think that's a good answer. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| All right, well. | ||
| That's my answer? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm sticking to it. | ||
| Well, I just realized with Pert dying, because I was a drummer. | ||
| I was a drummer. | ||
| So that actually, I do take kind of seriously. | ||
| But I just realized that we're in the decade now where every major rock star from the 70s is about to die. | ||
| Yeah, I think that we've been in that for a good bit now. | ||
| We've been in that for a while, but 2020, you know, when you start the 70s, it's 50 years exactly from then. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| They were all 20, 25 when they did it. | ||
| Now they're all going to start dropping like flies. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, that is probably true. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Or live forever, like Paula White Cane. | ||
| Possibly. | ||
| And it's sad that Neil Peart passing. | ||
| Rush is great. | ||
| I love a lot of their work. | ||
| Even if it is a little bit silly at times. | ||
| Like the trees. | ||
| But yeah, he was a great drummer and a great lyricist. | ||
| And sad. | ||
| And a sad man. | ||
| He was very funny too. | ||
| He was an interesting character. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Rest in peace, Neil Peart. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Playing with Buddy Rich right now in heaven. | ||
| Shut up. | ||
| That stupid-ass, stupid-ass bit that everyone does up there. | ||
| I don't like that kind of humor, but I do appreciate and know a lot about Alex Jones. | ||
| Weird. | ||
| I don't like that kind of humor either, and I don't know anything about Alex Jones, so let's ride this out. | ||
| Sweet. | ||
| So, Jordan, today, we need to take a break from the present day, because it's just been too much. | ||
| We've been, we're on like three straight weeks or something. | ||
| No, because we had that Bill Cooper episode next in, but it's been a lot of present day, and especially lately, it's just been getting overwhelming. | ||
| Whether it be Steve Pachanik coming on and denying the Holocaust, or Alex doing a just outrageously Islamophobic breakdown of an episode. | ||
| It's just, you gotta step back a little bit. | ||
| And one of the things that I realized is that in the wake of all of this stuff happening in the present day, one of the things that we've really let slip is the 2013 Sandy Hook investigation. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| And I know that you and I have had conversations, not on the show, about the feeling that this is going to go on forever. | ||
| We are going to just keep going and Alex is going to stay in this wishy-washy state where he's basically saying that there are actors but not committing to it fully. | ||
| And that is probably not great for us or the show. | ||
| It doesn't really lead us to where we want to go. | ||
| Ultimately, I set out doing that investigation. | ||
| Starting on the day of the Sandy Hook shooting and moving forward because I wanted to know what was the exact day that Alex started saying that no one died there, there were just actors and all of that. | ||
| And like five months later, we still don't have the exact day. | ||
| No, but I've also realized in the process of doing it that the question that I was asking doesn't matter. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| I felt like there was some merit to knowing that exact day to the point where I was going to go through that haystack to find the needle. | ||
| And in doing so, I realized that the haystack is mostly needles. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| If that metaphor works for you. | ||
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That's true. | |
| We've very much missed the forest for the trees. | ||
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Exactly. | |
| In some sense, yeah. | ||
| Along the way, you realize that even if Alex isn't saying that... | ||
| You know, definitively, these people are actors. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He is justifying suspicion that they're actors by saying that people who died or survived the Aurora shooting were actors. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| So, though he's not directly impugning the experience of these people in Connecticut, the people who died at the Aurora shooting... | ||
| We're someone's child, too. | ||
| People who died at the Aurora shooting were other people's loved ones. | ||
| He's committing the exact same behavior in relation to another shooting in order to justify suspicion of this shooting. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So long as words have meaning and literary devices are true, he has functionally said exactly what we were expecting. | ||
| So for some reason, he's not willing to make that leap as it relates to Sandy Hook. | ||
| At that point. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| But it's ultimately meaningless. | ||
| He's engaging in the same disgusting behavior already. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| Don't care. | ||
| Alright. | ||
| Now, along the way, it is great that we were able to find the time of the Boston bombing, and I think that that was probably one of the most illuminating things for me, researching Alex. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Being able to see him spin a conspiracy in real time, adjusting to information, crafting things out of thin air, pretending that the world is... | ||
| Acting in response to him? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And whatever he's saying, oh, now they've got to adjust their plans. | ||
| That kind of thing was really, really fascinating, and I'm glad that we were able to find that, not necessarily accidentally, but along the way of doing the Sandy Hook investigation. | ||
| Yeah, I think those few days were probably some of the most exhilarating episodes that he's ever, like the way that I reacted to them, seeing him create those conspiracy theories in real time. | ||
| You could feel his excitement. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And so, I want to end the investigation, quite frankly. | ||
| Me too! | ||
| I know it's a little bit unsatisfying in as much as we don't have the specific day. | ||
| But I also, I just think that we will be doing this, like we'll be committing to this for the next five. | ||
| years. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Going through his episodes and some of them are such slogs that I just I want I want to. | ||
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We got to put a bow on it. | |
| Got to put a bow on it. | ||
| And so today a bow shall be placed. | ||
| And what I'm going to do is I'm going to jump forward in time and take us to the May 2014, where Alex Jones invites Wolfgang Halbig onto his show for an interview. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Now, Wolfgang Halbig first appeared on an episode from March 18, 2014. | ||
| He shows up as a leading school safety security expert. | ||
| He has his theories. | ||
| But Alex isn't really all that fully willing to jump along with him. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Although it's interesting perspective he's given. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure, sure. | ||
| Alex will still say, I believe that some people died. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Then, on April 20th, 2014, Alex released a best-of episode. | ||
| And included that interview with Wolfgang Halbig as part of the best of his show. | ||
| That was on the best of? | ||
| One of the best interviews they had. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yep, their Sunday transmission is revisiting our best interviews. | ||
| Oh man, I wonder how many potential lawsuits that could have been outside of the statute of limitations would actually be pushed back in if you just went through all of his best of's. | ||
| Like, how many crimes has he committed on a best of list? | ||
| That's an interesting question. | ||
| I don't know the answer to that, but I do know that he considered that interview a month later to be of the best. | ||
| And like I said, it's got to suck if you got interviewed that year. | ||
| Look back on that and you're like, wow, Halbig made the list. | ||
| Great. | ||
| I hope he never has a this is your life special. | ||
| So on May 13th, 2014, Alex Jones has Halbig back on the show. | ||
| And the reason for this is because Halbig had crashed a Newtown school board meeting. | ||
| Oh no. | ||
| And so they're discussing the aftermath and fallout of that. | ||
| It'll be interesting and we'll get into all of it. | ||
| But before we do, we've got to take a moment to say thank you to some people who have signed up and are supporting the show. | ||
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Jordan or Jordana Brewster. | |
| And finally, I'd like to say thank you to a couple people who signed up on an elevated level. | ||
| We appreciate that very much. | ||
| So, Chris, thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a technocrat. | ||
| Hannah, thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a technocrat. | ||
| And John, thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a technocrat. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Crikey, mate. | ||
| That's fantastic. | ||
| Have yourself a brew. | ||
| How's your 401k doing, bro? | ||
| We got to go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, all right? | ||
| Let's just get down to business. | ||
| We ain't making that money off that heroin. | ||
| Why are you pimp so good? | ||
| My neck is freakishly large. | ||
| I declare Infowar on you. | ||
| Thank you so much, Chris, Hannah, and John. | ||
| Yes, thank you very much. | ||
| I believe Hannah and John are now honorary members of the conspiracy of Chris's, right? | ||
| No. | ||
| Is that not how it works? | ||
| No, they're not inducted along. | ||
| Ah, I'm sorry. | ||
| It's still name-specific. | ||
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| All right. | ||
| So now. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| 2014. | ||
| Indeed. | ||
| May. | ||
| We're also going to be going over a little bit of September 25th, 2014 when How Big comes back. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| But most of this we'll be covering... | ||
| May 13th. | ||
| Alright, set the stage for me. | ||
| Already did. | ||
| It's 2014. | ||
| The mamas and the papas have just retaken pop music entirely. | ||
| Everybody's really back on that cult conspiracy tip. | ||
| Let's do it. | ||
| So here's Alex talking about some of the kind of news he's planning to cover on this episode. | ||
| Man, I get in here after looking at the news last night and this morning and I just think, what am I going to cover? | ||
| Not because there isn't a lot of news. | ||
| There is just too much of it, and it all just gets crazier and crazier and more interesting by the minute. | ||
| Well, it's been discovered, found after 500 years, the wreck of the Christopher Columbus flagship of Santa Maria. | ||
| That's the type of news we're going to be talking about here today. | ||
| That's the type of news. | ||
| I was hoping for Edmund Fitzgerald. | ||
| I was really hoping he'd say that and then click the song right in. | ||
| The legend lives on from the Chippewa hometown of the big lake they call Gichigumi. | ||
| Of course you know the entire song. | ||
| With a load of iron ore, 26,000 tons more than the Edmund Fitzgerald weighed empty. | ||
| It used to be a karaoke song of mine. | ||
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It had long instrumental breaks in it, so I could just yell at the audience. | |
| Totally. | ||
| That's awful. | ||
| Ed, it's depressing. | ||
| Yeah, oh, it's real sad. | ||
| I was at a Roadhouse karaoke bar one time with Nicky Gifts, my buddy Nicky Gifts, and I was singing The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald, and in the instrumental breaks, I would often propose socials, you know, raise my glass to the good men and women who went down on that boat. | ||
| You are a prick. | ||
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Yep. | |
| I was doing that at this karaoke bar, and this lady who was in a wheelchair was screaming at me, what do you know about good men? | ||
| Alright, alright. | ||
| That's pretty fantastic. | ||
| She had a fair point. | ||
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I was being a prick. | |
| Anyway, Alex, he announces that he's got Wolfgang Halbig on the show, and I would say that based on the vibe that he's giving off, He seems like he's okay with Halbig's theories. | ||
| And it should be clear, at this point and consistently, Halbig's point has been no one died. | ||
| There were no deaths. | ||
| This is all fake. | ||
| All fake. | ||
| And Alex seems fine with this. | ||
| And then we do have several guests joining us. | ||
| Wolfgang Halbig, former state police officer and runs one of the largest school training safety organizations in the country. | ||
| He's also been a school principal after he's in the state police in, I think it was Florida. | ||
| But the whole point is that he's done an investigation and he says, looks like Sandy Hook's totally staged. | ||
| And we know they've declared state secrets on it, bulldozed the school. | ||
| He went to the school board meeting and they actually turned the cameras off, shut everything down and wouldn't let him speak even in the allotted time. | ||
| So they're acting very, very, very, very suspicious. | ||
| No. | ||
| Folks, if they'll pull off all the hoaxes we've seen, like Fast and Furious, you name it, they will pull anything off, and we're going to get an update from him. | ||
| So we've got, like, this rationalization. | ||
| If they'll pull off all these other things, they'd certainly do this. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| He gives four varies to the suspicious. | ||
| It is. | ||
| Qualifies it quite a bit. | ||
| This is very, very, very, very suspicious. | ||
| So is that, like, 85% more suspicious than just one vary, or, like, what are we dealing with here? | ||
| I mean, it has to be. | ||
| Is it a logarithmic scale? | ||
| At this point, Hal Big's a known quantity. | ||
| Right. | ||
| He's a known entity. | ||
| Especially to the people in Connecticut. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| They know what this guy's all about. | ||
| So the idea that the board meeting would not be interested in engaging with him is not. | ||
| No. | ||
| It is almost the most predictable and the correct move for them to make. | ||
| So Alex talks more about Halbig going to this press conference, and he seems to take great issue with the fact that an article in, I believe, Discovery called Wolfgang Halbig a conspiracy theorist. | ||
| Alex seems to take offense at this. | ||
| Yesterday it was in National News that... | ||
| They shut down that school board meeting. | ||
| So we'll repull that article as well and get to that. | ||
| Here's the headline. | ||
| Newtown School Board shuts down conspiracy theorists. | ||
| Discovery.com. | ||
| See, if you don't believe known certified liars, if you question Obama saying there is no $5,000 fee per employee who doesn't get Obamacare kicking in in 2015 and on many businesses in 2014, if you don't believe Obama when he says a bald-faced lie, you're a conspiracy theorist. | ||
| Or if he says you didn't build your small business and you say, yes, I did, you're a conspiracy theorist. | ||
| Or if he says raising the debt limit doesn't raise the national debt, and you say it does raise the national debt, you're a conspiracy theorist. | ||
| If you say 2 plus 2 equals 4 and not 5, you're a conspiracy theorist. | ||
| If you say that birds fly and that ducks fly, Give 15 more examples of the exact same thing. | ||
| Yeah, he's really... | ||
| Pounding his point home. | ||
| I'm getting it. | ||
| I got it, buddy. | ||
| Yeah, it's pretty clear. | ||
| So, I mean, if you take what he's clearly expressing there, it's that Hal Big is talking pure truth. | ||
| And they call him a conspiracy theorist for it. | ||
| How Big says 2 plus 2 equals 4. And they call him a conspiracy theorist for it. | ||
| So the only conclusion you can draw is you also think 2 plus 2 equals 4. And in this case we know what that is a stand-in for. | ||
| That is Sandy Hook was fake. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So it seems to be everything in Alex's presentation in the teasing of this interview that's coming up is meant to, without explicitly saying I believe the same thing he does. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's to say, he's right. | ||
| Yeah, with the upward, everything he says has the tiny little upward inflection at the end. | ||
| So you're like, wait, is that a statement or a question? | ||
| What are you doing here? | ||
| You know and I know. | ||
| So there's something interesting that's going on on this episode here in 2014 that it was absent from when we were looking at this stuff in 2013. | ||
| And that is Alex does a bit of infomercialing. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| Because Dr. Group is around. | ||
| Oh, hey! | ||
| Welcome, Dr. Group! | ||
| He's not on the show, but he has arrived. | ||
| And Alex is now selling his products. | ||
| He's in our orbit. | ||
| I cannot stress to you the fact that I'm under more stress than I've ever been under. | ||
| And that I'm performing better under that stress than I've ever done. | ||
| And it's undoubtedly... | ||
| I mean, I'll tell the story now. | ||
| This is so important. | ||
| I ran six miles every other day. | ||
| I lifted weights every other day. | ||
| Very important. | ||
| And I ate like a pig. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And I drank as much beer as I wanted to. | ||
| All right. | ||
| From the time I was about 18 to 22. Not a lot of beer, but, you know, went out with the buddies, went out two-step and all that. | ||
| Why did you need to tell me that? | ||
| On the weekends. | ||
| And looked like a Mr. Universe or something. | ||
| Then I got dedicated to fighting the New World Order, got death threats, got attacked physically, you name it. | ||
| I decided, hey, I'm not going to be around that long. | ||
| I might as well just quit working out and just work 18 hours a day. | ||
| Many days for years I worked 18 hours a day. | ||
| Putting out all those films, building my own media organization, everything. | ||
| And it worked okay the first two years or so, but my metabolism slowed down and I gained 60 pounds. | ||
| Now I look like Greg Universe. | ||
| I went up from about 180 pounds. | ||
| To about 240 pounds. | ||
| Then I gained even more weight and went up to 275. | ||
| Is the biggest I've ever been. | ||
| 275. | ||
| I was about 275 about five, six years ago. | ||
| Looked pretty good for 275. | ||
| Didn't need to say that either. | ||
| I have gotten down to 230 pounds. | ||
| But here's the thing about five years ago. | ||
| I started working out. | ||
| Swimming two miles a day, several days a week. | ||
| Two miles, open swims. | ||
| I began doing five, six, seven mile hikes up the cliffs. | ||
| Stop telling me this. | ||
| I began doing all this stuff, but didn't really change my diet as much as I should. | ||
| Got more organic and didn't lose at about 10 pounds. | ||
| Then I did some of the InfoWarsHealth.com longevity stuff. | ||
| Lost under 25 pounds or so. | ||
| But when I got the super male vitality developed by Dr. Group and the fluoride shield in the last 10 months, I've lost another 20 pounds, and I have more energy. | ||
| By his own telling of this long, pointless infomercial pitch, the Longevity products... | ||
| Works better. | ||
| It seems like the numbers are 25 versus 20. I don't know. | ||
| I'm no... | ||
| Dietitian, nutrition expert? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I mean, the numbers. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Is it easier to lose 25 pounds when you're 375 or 20 when you're 350? | ||
| I told you I'm not an expert in these things. | ||
| I think you need to find out. | ||
| Look, the issue here is that the show is becoming more of this. | ||
| There is more, and it's noticeable if you jump from the 2013 to this. | ||
| And it's the incorporation of these products. | ||
| Now, granted, at the same time, back when we were looking at the 2013 era, there would be times when the entire fourth hour or when he'd go into Overdrive would be like one of those longevity weirdos. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| And some of his content did seem to be driven by some of their products. | ||
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Right, right, right. | |
| It was Facebook and Teen Vogue, yeah. | ||
| It's not totally foreign to his program, but there's more. | ||
| There's more of it. | ||
| It's noticeable. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So you got this. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I find his general tone and demeanor while selling us new Super Male Vitality to be hilarious in the context of what Super Male Vitality did to him that we've seen five years later. | ||
| He's got a long, cogent story with one storyline. | ||
| It's boring. | ||
| It's boring as shit, but it's all about the same thing. | ||
| It is. | ||
| That is a good point. | ||
| That is a great point. | ||
| It's all about the same thing. | ||
| As dull as that story was. | ||
| And how many times... | ||
| I thought, didn't need to be this long. | ||
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Didn't need to be this long. | |
| Don't know why I left all this in. | ||
| It is because of that. | ||
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Exactly. | |
| Because it is a story. | ||
| It's one full story. | ||
| A does lead to B. Yeah. | ||
| That's a phenomenon that we rarely get anymore. | ||
| Not happening. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Man, that shit fucks you up. | ||
| Stay off Supermail. | ||
| Don't take it. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| So Alex is doing a bit of teasing throughout this show about how he's going to interview Wolfgang Halbig. | ||
| And I think if you listen to this, you can kind of hear him talking himself into Halbig's positions. | ||
| We're back live, ladies and gentlemen. | ||
| Thank you so much for joining us. | ||
| Again, for the first 30 minutes of the next hour, we're going to have the former state police officer and a man that runs one of the largest, most successful school safety training organizations. | ||
| He says it's staged. | ||
| Sandy Hook. | ||
| I know it's staged. | ||
| I've seen Anderson Cooper with weird blue screen, green screen stuff, claiming he was there. | ||
| I just don't know exactly what they staged. | ||
| You know the official story's a fraud. | ||
| But then when a top expert like this guy starts investigating it, he's been threatened by the FBI at his house, now barred from being able to ask questions at school board. | ||
| I mean, they are really, and you can see them with the kids going in circles, the same kids going in and out on helicopter shot in a staged event. | ||
| Looks like a drill. | ||
| They might have killed a few real kids in there. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| But we know they were having a drill. | ||
| We know they had weird SWAT teams dressed up like the shooters there. | ||
| Government connections to the kid. | ||
| I mean, it's the same deal. | ||
| The Colorado shooter, ladies and gentlemen, on record, was under a top military psychiatrist. | ||
| I don't even have time to get into it. | ||
| It's coming up. | ||
| I mean, it's staged. | ||
| It's staged. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And they're doing this to come after our guns. | ||
| So, I mean, you can hear that. | ||
| That's basically him repeating some of the things that he's comfortable with. | ||
| These touchdowns he's comfortable with. | ||
| And it leads to him talking. | ||
| At the end, they're talking himself into, it's staged. | ||
| It's staged. | ||
| And they're doing this to take our guns. | ||
| He's just chipping away at what it is he will say. | ||
| He's at the point where he's like, yes, it's staged. | ||
| It's just a matter of scale. | ||
| Did they stage everything or did they stage just the Anderson Cooper interview? | ||
| What all was staged? | ||
| He's chipping away at whatever the resistance he has to jumping off the cliff. | ||
| So Alex starts meandering a little bit about how there's a slippery slope of political correctness going on in the world. | ||
| Oh, it's ruining us! | ||
| And this leads into him talking about how Soros is a Nazi collaborator. | ||
| Great. | ||
| So he's on that point here by May 2014. | ||
| But what's interesting is less of that, although it is fairly interesting. | ||
| What's more interesting is that in talking about that, he has a counterpoint of someone else who's cool, but everyone thinks is bad. | ||
| Somebody says, hey, let's get Chinese food. | ||
| Everybody's like, shh. | ||
| At first, you don't call it the Orient. | ||
| You call it Asia. | ||
| You don't call it Asia. | ||
| You call it the East. | ||
| You don't say African-American now. | ||
| You say this. | ||
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It's just all, how do I please you? | |
| Well, you turn your guns in. | ||
| You pay more taxes than one by. | ||
| That's how you prove you're not racist, and you give money to Planned Parenthood to abort the minority babies to prove you're not racist. | ||
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Good? | |
| Okay. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Fuck off. | ||
| Or a Nazi collaborator like George Soros, a famous one, and then you get awards from the ADL. | ||
| But if you fight the Nazis, the ADL will list you, okay? | ||
| And the government will send white supremacists that are government-controlled after you of your Alex Jones. | ||
| And then the Southern Poverty Law Center will imply you're a racist while they send the white supremacists after you who are proven to be government agents. | ||
| And Arnold Schwarzenegger will dress up in Nazi outfits and wear death's head. | ||
| Belts, Nazi belts, and say that he loves Hitler to Rolling Stone magazine and wants to be a dictator, and he'll get ADL awards. | ||
| But, but if you make a movie about Christ and make one comment you're baited into about Jews, you'll be crucified. | ||
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Oh boy. | |
| So, Mel Gibson's cool. | ||
| So we're defending Mel Gibson. | ||
| That's where we got from all of this. | ||
| That's kind of my takeaway. | ||
| Alex is like, yeah. | ||
| He was baited into it. | ||
| You're a Nazi because your dad has a whole weird anti-Semitic thing that you've bought into clearly for 30 plus years and all of a sudden you say it out loud one time and people are like, ugh. | ||
| You're baited. | ||
| And it's all because he made a movie about Christ. | ||
| Oh boy. | ||
| Great. | ||
| So Alex leads into his interview here with Hal Big. | ||
| I'm skipping a lot of this episode. | ||
| Good call. | ||
| More like that story? | ||
| It is not great. | ||
| So he gets into this interview by listing off a bunch of the quote-unquote inconsistencies about the Sandy Hook story. | ||
| It's important to point out that these are not just inconsistencies that he's listing that are like, hey, here's some questions folks have. | ||
| These are Wolfgang Halbig's talking points. | ||
| He's saying that this is exactly what happened, not maybe this happened. | ||
| No. | ||
| And so in leading into his interview, he's doing some lifting for Wolfgang already. | ||
| Ladies and gentlemen, we have massive breaking news here dealing with the First Amendment in this country. | ||
| If you look at the situation in Connecticut with the Sandy Hook shootings that were used to collectively put guilt on the American people and imply that gun owners collectively had murdered a bunch of little children in an elementary school, you could see it was a psyop. | ||
| It's come out that Bloomberg put out emails the day before saying, get ready with our Twitter, with our media, to have a big push against guns the next 24 hours. | ||
| Very suspicious. | ||
| Then you've got the local regional SWAT team people hiding out in the woods in the same outfits as the supposed shooter. | ||
| You've got the whole story changing. | ||
| The most incriminating is you've got the helicopter footage of the people with their hands up coming out of the school in the evacuation hours after it supposedly happened, going in circles in and out of the school. | ||
| Going in circles. | ||
| They've torn down the school now. | ||
| They've declared state secrets. | ||
| On the photos, the video, there's weird Anderson Cooper video where he claims he's there on the ground at the town square and he turns bigger than Dallas and it's a green screen. | ||
| He's shimmering around the edges. | ||
| His nose disappears. | ||
| You can see flowers and things blowing in the wind and then they do it again. | ||
| It's the same footage being looped behind him. | ||
| I mean, I don't know what happened there. | ||
| But I know Anderson Cooper is admittedly a member of the Central Intelligence Agency. | ||
| And they send him out on the disinfo pieces. | ||
| So all this stuff is these things that now Alex is like, well, yeah, I mean, of course it's not a blue screen. | ||
| Of course, you know, when confronted with like, what is this footage? | ||
| You say it's people walking, it's the students walking in circles like, well, yeah, I guess it's not. | ||
| Like all of these things are things that he's now just like, of course. | ||
| Not standing by. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| But all of this is very serious and very proven here in May 2014 as he's leading into this interview. | ||
| And, I mean, it's sad. | ||
| I mean, yeah, sure. | ||
| He was just having debates while saying that it was very true. | ||
| Seeing all sides. | ||
| Yeah, seeing all sides of the thing that happened that didn't. | ||
| And the other thing that he's doing, in addition to establishing... | ||
| The talking points of Wolfgang Halbig before actually getting into the interview, which, I mean, that gives him a cakewalk, basically, for this interview. | ||
| He also, Alex does, he goes out of his way to establish credibility for Wolfgang in order to frame this interview as an intrepid investigator going out to dig out the truth as opposed to it being like, well, this guy has questions. | ||
| Is there validity to them? | ||
| That's not what he's doing. | ||
| He's presenting him as a hero. | ||
| He's not a kooky guy. | ||
| And I haven't asked him this, but I bet him asking questions the last year, just looking at it and studying, and I bet he's lost a lot of business with the system. | ||
| But he doesn't care. | ||
| I'm guessing that's... | ||
| I know how the system works. | ||
| I don't know that. | ||
| I'll ask him that in a minute. | ||
| But he's the exact type of expert witness you want who goes against his own interest monetarily to go out and tell the truth. | ||
| Now, here's the bombshell news. | ||
| This is in Discovery.com. | ||
| Newtown School Board shuts down conspiracy theorists. | ||
| That's people that don't believe the official story of known liars. | ||
| So, that's, I mean, we got it again. | ||
| He's not, he just doesn't believe the stories of true known liars and he's just asking questions. | ||
| Wolfgang Halbig and his crew were not just asking questions at that Newtown School Board meeting in May 2014. | ||
| They were going there as part of a rally for their Sandy Hook conspiracy nonsense. | ||
| An article in the Connecticut Post describes the sort of behavior he was engaged in. | ||
| Quote, That's the sort of shit they were doing. | ||
| That doesn't sound exactly like just asking questions. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I feel like asking questions is maybe just one step below hanging things in effigy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, I mean, even then, it's close. | ||
| It's a close step. | ||
| I don't think it's close. | ||
| But it's still not there. | ||
| The day prior, they dropped by the offices of the United Way of Western Connecticut, demanding records of how charity funds and donations had been used, only to be told that all that information is already public and they don't need to ask for it. | ||
| They can just go find it very easily. | ||
| I want to hear it from your mouth. | ||
| Look me in the eyes when you lie to me. | ||
| Interestingly, that article goes on to say, quote, seven members of the group, some carrying still and video cameras, then visited the offices of the News Times, asking to meet with a reporter. | ||
| A Newstimes editor met with one member of the group who asked for a story about their visit to the United Way, but the request was denied. | ||
| These people were engaged in a publicity stunt, and their actions pretty well spell that out. | ||
| There's really no other explanation for asking a newspaper to write an article about how you went to the United Way demanding records you can easily find online. | ||
| The same could be said of Hal Big's appearance at the board meeting. | ||
| The Connecticut Post describes his group of being about a dozen or so people who each got three minutes to ask questions of board members. | ||
| They didn't get what they wanted out of the meeting. | ||
| Quote, board members refused to take the bait, remaining silent through presentations by Halbig and several of his supporters who followed him to the microphone. | ||
| The Connecticut Post describes the audience as, quote, respectful but thoroughly disgusted. | ||
| The reality is that this was a mentally unwell man trying to pull off an explosive publicity stunt along with a small group of followers. | ||
| But for someone like Alex, this is suspicious. | ||
| This is stonewalling and probably evidence that there's a cover-up going on. | ||
| According to the New York Magazine, after this school board meeting, Lenny Posner emailed Halbig requesting to talk. | ||
| An associate sent a reply saying, quote, Wolfgang does not wish to speak with you unless you exhume Noah's body and prove to the world you lost your son. | ||
| These are sick fucking people we're talking about. | ||
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Uh, no. | |
| Yeah, I mean, I think that's an appropriate response. | ||
| That's what I'm going to say to that. | ||
| No, just no. | ||
| Just go away for good. | ||
| Also, an important point to bring up is that on May 9th, 2014, Infowars released a special report. | ||
| Recorded in Newtown. | ||
| The video was Infowars reporter Dan Badandi, also known as the Kraken, interviewing Wolfgang Halbig outside the school board meeting. | ||
| It's unclear if the video they show of Wolfgang addressing the board was actually shot by Badandi himself, but it's presented with an Infowars watermark, and the camera work is not good. | ||
| So it seems like it's a possibility. | ||
| This is an important point. | ||
| Wolfgang Halbig was trying to drum up publicity. | ||
| He and his group tried to get the news times to cover their activities and no one took the bait. | ||
| He tried to antagonize the school board members and they only gave him respectfully silent disgust. | ||
| But Infowars was not only happy to cover his filthy shit, they were there. | ||
| Without this amplification, this probably would have just been an asshole asking questions at a meeting to a disapproving audience. | ||
| Dan Badandi, who Alex has repeatedly described as an employee and someone Alex sends on assignments, who is using an Infowars mic for the interview, who clearly identifies himself as an Infowars reporter in his sign off, is going out of his way to make this a story. | ||
| They're working hard to frame this as a heroic, intrepid investigator running up into a conspiratorial The point is, this is not reporting. | ||
| This is not hearing both sides of an issue. | ||
| This is a group... | ||
| Infowars, masquerading as a news outlet in service of helping people like Wolfgang Helbig disseminate their theories. | ||
| This is clear behavior at this point. | ||
| This is like a live broadcast version of Project Veritas. | ||
| They go in, they fuck up regular-ass people's day, not doing anything but screwing them over in order to broadcast it and lie about it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So days before the episode that we're listening to now, they'd put out this special report where Dan Badandi was there with Wolfgang, and now Alex is reporting on the sort of drama surrounding Wolfgang not being allowed to quote-unquote ask questions at this board meeting. | ||
| It's integrative. | ||
| You can see the way that there's almost like Alex through Dan Badandi. | ||
| Is causing trouble. | ||
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| And then now, with the thin veneer of his sitting in the studio as a professional, is talking about the fallout of it. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| It's ludicrous. | ||
| Alex is covering Godzilla. | ||
| Tokyo won't allow Godzilla in to ask them questions. | ||
| What's suspicious going on here? | ||
| I think we know. | ||
| The Kraken. | ||
| I think we know. | ||
| So, they talk about this trip to the United Way, and I think it's just fucking hilarious when you realize the dynamics. | ||
| So, here's the headline. | ||
| School board shuts down conspiracy theorists. | ||
| Now, they've shot footage of this, and Wolfgang's making a documentary, but he said he'll send us the raw footage. | ||
| As soon as it gets here, make copies on memory stick or whatever, we will get a special report out, because this needs to be seen, of them being shut down at the school board, then trying to go to United Way and others. | ||
| So... | ||
| You understand what's going on here. | ||
| Wolfgang and his group tried to get a real newspaper to cover their trip to the United Way, and they said, fuck no. | ||
| This is stupid. | ||
| He tells Alex, and Alex is like, oh my god, this is red meat. | ||
| Of course, yes, let's do this. | ||
| Why didn't he go to Alex first? | ||
| I mean, he probably talked to Badandi while he was there. | ||
| I'm sure there was a plan to do both. | ||
| Yeah, that makes sense. | ||
| You just see the varying standards by which people work. | ||
| The News Times, nah, get out of here. | ||
| This is nothing. | ||
| Alex, this is the biggest deal in the world. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, yeah. | ||
| Because we can make coin off it. | ||
| Yeah, if you're Halbig, though, you're thinking, well, I've already got Alex on the back burner for sure. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So why not take a shot at a real... | ||
| I was one of the best of the year interviews. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| Why not take a shot at a real news outlet? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| So Halbig gets to talking, and he expresses that he doesn't want to be doing this. | ||
| Yes, he does. | ||
| Of course he does. | ||
| But he gives... | ||
| Sort of a crystallizing moment of why he's on the warpath. | ||
| I think it's important that every listener clearly understands that do I want to be doing this? | ||
| Absolutely not. | ||
| I'm retired. | ||
| I mean, I got my AAP card. | ||
| Had these police officers, had the homicide investigators not come to my home a week before Christmas, Newtown would have never heard of Wolfgang Haldig. | ||
| Nobody would have ever heard of me. | ||
| Because, you know, as a national school safety consultant, I simply was sending the FOIA request, Connecticut Freedom of Information request, asking simple questions that's not offensive to any of those parents who supposedly lost a child. | ||
| Wow! | ||
| This is interesting. | ||
| And honestly, if I were Alex and I heard that, I would take it as a sign that maybe Wolfgang is a little overly personally involved here. | ||
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Could be. | |
| Sounds like he's mad about the police showing up at his house. | ||
| Police showed up at my house, so now I'm going to dedicate my life to harassing victims of a tragedy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's saying that if the police hadn't knocked on his door, he wouldn't have gone on this investigation. | ||
| Alex can hear that and think, yeah. | ||
| All he was doing was sending out legal and legitimate FOIA requests and the police show up. | ||
| That's a clear sign. | ||
| They want to silence him. | ||
| However, that is not the reality. | ||
| According to a piece in the New York Magazine Intelligencer, two Florida police officers paid a visit to Halbig to, quote, relay a message from police in Connecticut that he risked being charged with harassment if he continued contacting people in Newtown. | ||
| This was not the result of him sending out FOIA requests. | ||
| It was because he was doing things like sending Sally Cox, the school nurse at Sandy Hook, who survived the shooting by hiding in a closet, a message saying, quote, Why close your eyes when you've seen blood before? | ||
| You are a nurse. | ||
| By any standard, that sort of message being sent by a complete stranger who's bent on denying a deeply traumatic event that you lived through, that counts as harassment. | ||
| So by my metrics, Wolfgang is super lucky that he just got a polite visit with a warning from the police. | ||
| But optics are everything. | ||
| So this visit from the police, you know, it played a big role in legitimizing Wolfgang in the eyes of the conspiracy world. | ||
| His work is so dangerous that they're sending cops in to intimidate him. | ||
| It's such bullshit, but that's the way this stuff works. | ||
| And Alex is buying into it completely. | ||
| Does he not know what a FOIA request is? | ||
| Does he think that a FOIA request is just like, as long as you say, as long as you say FOIA at the top of it, like, dear FOIA. | ||
| And then you tell the nurse that she's seen blood before and she's lying. | ||
| So just like with United Way, he's like, Dear FOIA, United Way, you send me these fucking documents or I'll kill you! | ||
| I think he doesn't recognize that there is a process and rules with FOIA. | ||
| He thinks it means that I have a free access to all information. | ||
| I think that is what he means, doesn't it? | ||
| There is a freedom of information, so all information must be given to me. | ||
| Exactly, yeah. | ||
| If I asked for it... | ||
| Right. | ||
| That might be the misunderstanding. | ||
| That makes more sense, yeah. | ||
| So Halbig is convinced that the United Way is skimming money because they wouldn't talk to him when he went to visit or something. | ||
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Okay. | |
| So that's kind of a big part of this conspiracy is that people are getting rich by skimming money. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So he talks about that a little bit here. | ||
| That's not fair because that's probably true for literally everything. | ||
| Well, I don't care too much about that rebuttal that you're making because it leads somewhere deeply disturbing. | ||
| And here's him sort of laying some track. | ||
| And it's important to point out that Alex not only doesn't push back on this, he kind of supports it. | ||
| And I think when you look at the amount of money that has been poured into Sandy Hook and Newtown because of this incident, it all starts at the United Way, Western Connecticut, who actually, I mean, you saw it advertised three days before the shooting. | ||
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They were looking to solicit money three days before the shooting. | |
| And I think the big red flag is the Connecticut Attorney General's report on his findings. | ||
| We're going to talk about that, Wolfgang. | ||
| Stay there, yeah. | ||
| And Bloomberg, this is in the news. | ||
| He false started it a day before as well. | ||
| I mean, they were licking their lips. | ||
| We'll be right back. | ||
| This is hardcore information. | ||
| This could bring them down, folks. | ||
| This is hardcore information. | ||
| This isn't opinion. | ||
| This isn't just discussing things. | ||
| This is hardcore information. | ||
| This is also not true. | ||
| No, that is an issue. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| As far as information goes, that would make it more hardcore, I suppose, than true information. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So the United Way is up to no good, according to Hal Begg here, and he gets into a specific about it. | ||
| And this is particularly disgusting on his part. | ||
| Why are you saying United Way is so important? | ||
| I mean, what are the big smoking guns? | ||
| Because I know you're inside this investigation, but for folks out there, what are the red flags? | ||
| You're looking at $29 million. | ||
| You got the United Way, Sandy Hook Promise, and there are 39 other community nonprofit organizations within Newtown which received a lot of funds. | ||
| For example, the animal shelter in Newtown, Sandy Hook. | ||
| Alex, they got $450,000 from the Sandy Hook shooting. | ||
| Now, what does an animal shelter have to do? | ||
| I understand. | ||
| You're saying the motive for the locals to go along with the fraud is money. | ||
| I get that. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| If Wolfgang Halbig or Alex Jones were sincere actors in this, they would point out that the reason some Sandy Hook-related donations went to an animal sanctuary is because it was being built in the memory of one of the children who died in the shooting. | ||
| From an MNN article published on January 24, 2013, long before this episode... | ||
| Quote, The family of one of the students killed during the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting is asking people to donate money to build a new animal sanctuary in her name. | ||
| Jenny and Matt Hubbard's daughter Catherine died in the shooting and was very passionate about animals, so they decided a good way to honor her memory was to create an animal rescue and welfare center in her name. | ||
| The reason that the money may have flowed through the Animal Center, the existing animal organization in Newtown, is that they were associated with the project. | ||
| They had an infrastructure, but they didn't have a shelter, which was part of this Hubbard plan, something it was meant to help with. | ||
| The VP, the Vice President of the Animal Center, Harmony Verna, made a statement saying, quote, This sanctuary will be a place where neglected, abused, or homeless animals can get a second chance at life. | ||
| A place for children and adults to connect with animals in the natural world. | ||
| Animals have an amazing capacity to love and heal the human spirit. | ||
| We hope Catherine will think it's the most beautiful place on Earth. | ||
| In 2014, Connecticut conveyed some land across 34 acres to be the home for this new animal sanctuary, which is continuing construction to this point in present day. | ||
| It's a huge project, so that's not really particularly surprising that it hasn't fully been completed yet. | ||
| There's no reason for Wolfgang Halbig to not know this stuff, and Alex has a responsibility to not passively let this dude lie about grieving parents trying to memorialize their daughter with an animal sanctuary. | ||
| Fuck both of these dudes. | ||
| This is super irresponsible. | ||
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| It's been a while since we've done a 13, so when we were doing both of them back and forth, I was acclimated to two different types of monstrosity. | ||
| Two different kinds of awful. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And then I kind of let that 2013 go after a while. | ||
| We haven't done it, and now I'm right back to it, and it's like, Jesus. | ||
| How many different ways can you be a disgusting monster? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| You can't be in the present and be like, oh, this disgusting monster is doing shit like that and then go in the past and find a completely different level of disgusting. | ||
| He's just bad. | ||
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He's a bad dude. | |
| He's a bad person. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He needs to be stopped. | ||
| Wolfgang Helbig has absolutely no excuse to present this information this way. | ||
| There is a very easy, accessible explanation for why an animal sanctuary is getting some of the Sandy Hook donations. | ||
| And if you were a former state cop, I believe you're doing both at all the time. | ||
| And for Alex... | ||
| He doesn't work that hard. | ||
| So the fact that he doesn't know this and doesn't have this information ready to rebut Wolfgang is unfortunate. | ||
| He should. | ||
| He should know this. | ||
| I don't think he would use that information either way. | ||
| Probably not. | ||
| It's less an indication that Alex is lying. | ||
| And more an indication that he's not equipped to have these conversations unless the point of the conversation is to passively allow a liar to lie to your audience and help them. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| For money. | ||
| That seems to be more what's going on here than hearing both sides. | ||
| And it's like, okay, yes, if you hear both sides of something and one of them is a lie and then you don't actually even really hear the other side, then what are you doing? | ||
| It's not hearing both sides. | ||
| You know, I mean, if one side... | ||
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I got nothing for this one, man. | |
| He's a fucking bad dude. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So I posit that if you listen to this full interview, one of the things that you walk away with is kind of that conclusion. | ||
| That this is not hearing him out. | ||
| This is not asking questions. | ||
| It is Alex trying to direct Wolfgang in such a way that the talking points that are desired to get out got out clearly. | ||
| Bottom line, there was a stand down. | ||
| And you've blueprinted all that out on your website, but I saw it happen. | ||
| What about the kids going in circles, back and forth, the same people? | ||
| End of the school for the helicopters. | ||
| It looked like a fake drill. | ||
| What about the guy in the woods that got picked up in the same outfit who was part of the anti-terror team? | ||
| I mean, just go through those points. | ||
| Well, yeah, okay. | ||
| I'm glad you were right. | ||
| I mean, I'm trying to stay focused. | ||
| So what you have is Alex trying to serve up. | ||
| These are the talking points that are kind of safe for the audience at this point. | ||
| So why don't you build from there? | ||
| Build your credibility and rapport with the audience on these topics and points that we've all become accustomed to. | ||
| Don't make the water too hot yet. | ||
| There's that kind of a vibe. | ||
| Get with the program. | ||
| It's not like he's checking Wolfgang or anything like that. | ||
| But what he's doing is there's a way to present this shit. | ||
| This is the way to do it. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| This is LeBron and Anthony Davis in a pick and roll. | ||
| It's an alley-oop that's going to wind up slammed up. | ||
| Yeah, it's collaborative in nature. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So, Alex... | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| I hate this. | ||
| I hate this clip more than I hate many other things. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And it's because the reality in the world... | ||
| You know, the real one? | ||
| The shit pile that we call the reality? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Is that Wolfgang's behavior is causing a lot of damage, emotional and otherwise, to come to the survivors' and victims' families of the shooting. | ||
| In this clip, Alex allows Wolfgang to complain that he is being threatened. | ||
| And he allows Wolfgang to present himself as the victim in this entire situation. | ||
| I mean, I'm getting threats all the time. | ||
| I got some crazy people out there. | ||
| They're attacking my wife, they're attacking me and everything else. | ||
| But you know what? | ||
| All they have to do is answer 16 simple questions. | ||
| You and I wouldn't even be talking today. | ||
| It's just unheard of, okay? | ||
| Wolfgang Heilbeg hid his harassment behind this thin veneer of having 16 supposedly unanswered questions, which, if answered, he'd shut up. | ||
| Naturally, some of the questions are unanswerable, or meaningless, or already answered, or perhaps most relevantly, none of his fucking business. | ||
| Question 12, for example, is, quote, Why did the parents of two children who died at the Danbury Hospital not allow their children to donate their organs to other children waiting for the gift of life? | ||
| Go fuck yourself. | ||
| Yeah, that's a good one. | ||
| If that's one of the questions that makes your top 16 that you base this conspiracy on. | ||
| Sure, organ donation is a great thing, but it's a choice. | ||
| I have no idea if these parents did or did not donate their children's organs. | ||
| I didn't look into it because, honestly, I don't think I have any right to know that. | ||
| Nor do I think it has any relevance here. | ||
| The question is meant to imply that these kids did not exist to begin with, which is why their parents couldn't donate their organs. | ||
| This is not a good-faith question. | ||
| It's an insinuation. | ||
| It's an accusation. | ||
| And no answer would ever satisfy someone like Halbig. | ||
| Imagine these parents saying something like, we didn't want to make that decision on behalf of our child. | ||
| Organ donation is an individual's choice, and we didn't know what their wishes would have been. | ||
| Do you think Halbig would stop asking the question at that point? | ||
| Because I think he fucking wouldn't. | ||
| No, I don't think he would stop. | ||
| Probably not. | ||
| That's very doubtful. | ||
| That very reasonable explanation would probably not satisfy him. | ||
| To be clear, I made up that explanation. | ||
| I have no idea what the parents did. | ||
| No, that's what I'm saying. | ||
| The explanation could just be like, Hey man, we were in a fucking daze. | ||
| How about go fuck yourself? | ||
| How about that? | ||
| Why didn't all this shit happen? | ||
| Because what do you think? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Any answer is not going to satisfy. | ||
| The answers are the excuse for the behavior. | ||
| Question number 13 is, quote, what happened to the 500 children and 60 school staff members from Sandy Hook Elementary on December 14th, 2012? | ||
| That's an insanely broad question with approximately 560 different answers. | ||
| If he actually cared, there's plenty of accounts that you can find regarding people's experiences that day, but he does not care. | ||
| That's the point. | ||
| These questions were a shield that Wolfgang Halbig used to deflect criticisms that his behavior was repulsive. | ||
| When he gets told that he's hurting people, he could just trot out this list of questions that no one will answer, and then he gets to continue pretending he's the heroic figure in this. | ||
| This is what people do. | ||
| Why don't I know what her favorite flavor of ice cream is, Dan? | ||
| And then if you answer that, you're like, well, why don't I know what her second favorite flavor of ice cream is? | ||
| Well, why don't I know what her third favorite ice cream is? | ||
| It doesn't matter. | ||
| It's turtles all the way down. | ||
| That's what it is. | ||
| This is what you do. | ||
| You engage in this harassment campaign where you're doing things like emailing the school nurse nonsense bullshit, right? | ||
| And then people are like, hey, why are you doing this? | ||
| No, it'll answer my questions. | ||
| That's what you do. | ||
| It's a deflective defense mechanism. | ||
| You see it on the part of I don't know what the right word is. | ||
| My mind alternates between out there and dangerous. | ||
| Conspiracy types. | ||
| That sort of behavior of if you just answer the question, I'll shut up. | ||
| Now you won't answer the question, which justifies everything I do. | ||
| It's sad. | ||
| It's like the stand-your-ground defense for conspiracy theorists. | ||
| It doesn't matter what you ask or what you do. | ||
| It is always they're doing it on the defense. | ||
| I'm only doing this in response to the attack that you have brought upon me. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's a good trick. | ||
| So Wolfgang starts disseminating some talking points about how the school was a toxic waste dump, basically. | ||
| And you know, when you look at the school itself, when you look at Sandy Hook, it is a filthy school. | ||
| That's what I wanted to talk to the board members about. | ||
| It is a toxic waste dump. | ||
| When you look at the data, and here's what they didn't realize, they put it in their own newspaper before they demolished it. | ||
| Sandy Hook had the highest level of lead pain. | ||
| Sandy Hook had the highest level of asbestos in the ceiling tiles and ceiling floors. | ||
| It had the highest level of PCP, and the groundwater is contaminated. | ||
| Now, here's the question. | ||
| Connecticut law requires that every parent must be notified of those hazardous chemicals because they have serious health effects on children, which may not be seen until five years later. | ||
| Now, why would any parent, why would those 18 of the 20 parents that moved into Newtown in 2009 enroll their child in a school with all those hazardous chemicals? | ||
| Parents just don't do that. | ||
| That stuff is all bullshit. | ||
| But what Wolfgang is pushing toward here is that these parents would never enroll their kids to go to a school like that, thus they must not have, thus there were no kids enrolled in Sandy Hook. | ||
| In reality, you can find copies of the school's inspection reports from 2011, a year prior to the shooting, And learned that they were in compliance with the EPA's indoor air quality rules. | ||
| Further, you can find that asbestos is listed as not a problem. | ||
| The air quality is given a 3 on a scale of 1 to 4. There's no evidence for any of the stuff that Alex is letting Wolfgang Halbig assert here. | ||
| This is just really sloppy, horrible shit. | ||
| Okay, I've got a solution. | ||
| Alright? | ||
| We can't restrict the speech. | ||
| What we should do... | ||
| You have to get a license if you want to go on public media. | ||
| You got to get a license. | ||
| How big? | ||
| You got to get a license. | ||
| Maybe it takes five minutes. | ||
| Just answer a few simple questions. | ||
| Maybe just one. | ||
| Did Sandy Hook happen? | ||
| The end. | ||
| You get your license to go on TV or radio or whatever you want. | ||
| To do my Alex impression, that would have a chilling effect. | ||
| Good. | ||
| If it has a chilling effect on people who disbelieve Sandy Hook. | ||
| I would say this should be chilled. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| So Alex asks, point blank, To Hal Big, what do you believe happened? | ||
| And Alex knows what Wolfgang believes happened. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So that's not a question. | ||
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No. | |
| I would like you to tell my audience what happened. | ||
| That is a setup for Hal Big to say what he thinks happened. | ||
| Now, while he's asking this question that he knows the answer to, he goes out of his way to salute and build up how great... | ||
| Wolfgang Halbig is, which you wouldn't do if you weren't trying to lend credibility to whatever answer you know he's going to give. | ||
| What do you think really happened at Sandy Hook? | ||
| People can see your 16 questions at sandyhookjustice.com, and we just salute your will to go up there and have eight police cars block you at the United Way and have them shut you down at the school board. | ||
| at the commission. | ||
| But bottom line, what do you as a almost 40-year investigator, police Well, until they answer those questions, I can tell you, children did not die. | ||
| teachers did not die on December 14, 2012. | ||
| That's, I mean, you wouldn't do that unless you wanted that point to be made by someone you're presenting as credible. | ||
| A hero. | ||
| You salute his will. | ||
| That's as good as Alex saying it himself. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| So they get back to talking about the United Way and how evil it is. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And things get a little silly. | ||
| It is, and I hope nobody ever donates another dime to United Way until they answer every question. | ||
| Well, I mean, there's already been so many scandals about United Way. | ||
| I mean, more than half the money goes to the executives. | ||
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That's true. | |
| I just saw that one. | ||
| I'll tell you, a good charity is the Salvation Army. | ||
| Are they involved in any way locally up there? | ||
| Are you ready? | ||
| Salvation Army is not even one of the 39 non-profits listed. | ||
| They're not even an army! | ||
| Because they're a good organization, as you just mentioned. | ||
| They're not involved. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| It's always the same players. | ||
| I don't want to go off on a jag here speculating about why someone like Alex might be in favor of the Salvation Army, but I think it might be an easy puzzle if you want to put that together yourself. | ||
| Instead, I would prefer to read to you from an article published on December 19, 2012, just five days after the shooting. | ||
| Quote, The Salvation Army, being part of the community, has provided food and support to the people of Newtown, Connecticut, after 26 people, including 20 children, lost their lives in a gun attack at Sandy Hook Elementary School. | ||
| This article is posted on the Salvation Army's website. | ||
| They sent out mobile food units. | ||
| They held services. | ||
| They had a representative who appeared with President Obama at a vigil for the victims. | ||
| They even honored the victims at that year's world record bell ringing, where after ringing those bells of theirs for 80 hours straight, they held a quote 27 minute long moment of silent ringing to recognize each of those lost that day. | ||
| Anyway, I have no idea what these assholes mean by not involved, so I'm just going to put my two cents in here and say the Salvation Army was very involved in the response to Sandy Hook. | ||
| These guys are just talking shit. | ||
| There's just no reality. | ||
| There's just no accepted reality. | ||
| We just can't win. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| It doesn't matter. | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| So the interview ends, and Wolfgang is trying to sew some sort of conspiratorial nature to an event that happened. | ||
| And that is that one police station phoned another police station and was like, hey, Wolfgang and his guys are coming around, which I don't think is suspicious at all. | ||
| I think if I were a cop, I'd probably do that, too. | ||
| But it ends with... | ||
| It's either that or fly out yourself. | ||
| Right. | ||
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One of those is cheap. | |
| Yeah. | ||
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So it also ends with... | |
| The thing is, too, when we traveled from Danbury over to the Newtown Police Department to meet with the police... | ||
| Mike Kehoe Danbury had already notified the police chief in Newtown that we were coming. | ||
| I mean, this is just unbelievable. | ||
| Oh, they're all working together. | ||
| It's a cover-up, no doubt. | ||
| Well, they better watch it. | ||
| Listen, we're going to come back and play the report that we put together, and it's got your comments, powerful information to the school board. | ||
| Thank you for the work that you're doing. | ||
| Sir, we'll continue to track everything you're up to, and God bless you. | ||
| You bet. | ||
| There goes Wolfgang Halbig, ladies and gentlemen. | ||
| And we've got his website up on screen for radio listeners, though. | ||
| It's just really important for you to go and visit the site. | ||
| And we'll put that site again back up on screen. | ||
| It's really important that you go visit that. | ||
| So Alex goes to... | ||
| He gets done with the interview with Halbig. | ||
| And he starts ruminating on... | ||
| The nature of Sandy Hook a little bit. | ||
| And I think you'll see some familiarity here in terms of Alex's tone. | ||
| He's doing a bit of hedging while still at the same time being like, shit's fake. | ||
| I mean, it's fake. | ||
| Blue screens, it's fake. | ||
| Again, we don't know what's going on. | ||
| He goes further and says it's just completely fake. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| You got parents laughing. | ||
| Watch this. | ||
| Method acting. | ||
| I mean, it's just ridiculous. | ||
| You got coroners that start laughing, and I don't mean uncomfortably. | ||
| I mean, like, laughing with the state police when they're giving press conferences. | ||
| I mean, it just is the fakest thing since the $3 bill. | ||
| Fakest thing since the $3 bill. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Real quick question. | ||
| If he is saying, well, we don't know what happened, then that means... | ||
| He believes there's a possibility that people did die. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So he is mocking somebody's tears with the possibility that they are real. | ||
| Now, don't you think if you thought there was a possibility that it was somebody who had died, the last thing you would do is make fun of the way they cry? | ||
| Even if that was a 1% chance. | ||
| I probably would err on the side of not doing that. | ||
| Even if it was a 1% chance that it was real. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You still wouldn't make fun of their tragedy. | ||
| Probably not. | ||
| Probably not. | ||
| So chances are, the only way you would do that is if you were 100% sure that it was fake. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Or you're a psychopath. | ||
| One of the two. | ||
| And one of the things listening to this interview really crystallized for me is that after he gets done talking with Hal Big, He sounds fairly similar to how he was in most of the time that we're listening to him in 2013. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's like, this is all fake. | ||
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Shit's fake. | |
| Now, who knows what happened? | ||
| We don't know what happened. | ||
| It's fake. | ||
| It's fake. | ||
| It made me realize that there is not really a discernible difference between this behavior that I find incredibly abhorrent. | ||
| and pushing Wolfgang's narratives and how Alex was almost the entire time. | ||
| In the same way that I realized how little it mattered the specific day he first uttered their actors, it doesn't matter if he's literally saying X if all of his behavior is pointing people intentionally towards X. And I think that he's been doing that pretty consistently through his coverage. | ||
| Yeah, I suppose if the practical effects of what you're saying are identical to the practical effects of what people are accusing you of saying, it doesn't really matter. | ||
| It's a semantical difference. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| And so the last clip here from the 13th is Alex expressing that, yeah, of course the globalists would fake something like this, which is just to be like, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, they did. | ||
| It's within the realm of possible, so you should believe this very credible guy I just had on. | ||
| Remember, this is a government caught secretly sterilizing hundreds of thousands of Americans. | ||
| It's a government caught doing secret medical experiments on blacks, whites, from the Appalachians to Georgia. | ||
| From Northern California to Texas. | ||
| These are globalists. | ||
| They will do anything. | ||
| Of course they would stage something like this to blame us and get our guns. | ||
| Of course they would. | ||
| That's not fair. | ||
| That's just not fair. | ||
| Yes, the government is fucking evil. | ||
| I'm on your team. | ||
| Now, don't make it bullshit. | ||
| Let's do something about it. | ||
| The FBI tried to blackmail Martin Luther King Jr. into killing himself. | ||
| Yes, the government is fucking evil, but don't use it to deny Sandy Hook, man. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Don't do that. | ||
| Fuck. | ||
| It's a cheap trick. | ||
| That's bullshit. | ||
| Yeah, I'm so mad about that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| So Wolfgang comes back on September 25th. | ||
| Alex has him back on in 2014. | ||
| And the reason for this is that someone has uncovered that the FBI crime statistics list zero murders for the city of Newtown in 2012. | ||
| And the reason for this was the statistics were kept in the state. | ||
| No, it was a jurisdictional issue. | ||
| So it wasn't listed as murders in the city. | ||
| It was a state issue. | ||
| It's very easy to get to the bottom of this. | ||
| But Alex, I think, is swayed by this. | ||
| And then give us what happened in your new investigation, and then let's talk about this new piece of evidence. | ||
| Is it important, or can we get a response from the FBI? | ||
| Thank you, Wolfgang, for joining us. | ||
| Well, you know, I did get a response. | ||
| I called the New Haven FBI offices, and their response is, well, they've been asked by the Connecticut State Police not to put those numbers on their data sheet. | ||
| Now, when has the state police ever told the FBI what to do? | ||
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I mean, that's just unheard of. | |
| So this is important because they already have access to the information that explains this. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And instead of being like, oh, that's why, Alex has Wolfgang on to spin it. | ||
| This isn't looking at the facts. | ||
| This isn't looking at the, is this suspicious or is it not? | ||
| It's saying this is suspicious. | ||
| Here is the guy I'm going to have on as my expert, someone who believes that this whole thing was fake. | ||
| It's just... | ||
| It's not what you would do if you're hearing both sides. | ||
| It's not what you would do if you had questions. | ||
| It's what you would do if you were desperately craving a way that you could justify being like this guy. | ||
| Being like Wolfgang. | ||
| And I think that FBI statistic thing is probably as good as Alex could get. | ||
| You know, like, here is the FBI. | ||
| They say zero. | ||
| Therefore, no one died. | ||
| Even though you just spent the last segment telling us all about how the government and the FBI would lie to us with no compunction. | ||
| They've lied about everything. | ||
| That's a good point. | ||
| But this time, they're telling the truth. | ||
| Yeah, it seems like people like Alex do that sort of thing a lot. | ||
| It's a little bit strange, isn't it? | ||
| The deep state always lies, except when they help me out. | ||
| The interesting thing is you hear Wolfgang be clearly aware of what the dynamic is here, why that number was zero. | ||
| And he's like, his response to it is, come on. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And Alex laughs, and that's good enough. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| That's good enough. | ||
| Hey, good, come on. | ||
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Come on. | |
| Get out of here with your, ah, you're a scamp. | ||
| All right, moving on. | ||
| That's pretty funny. | ||
| That's shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Also, just to address that, it's a trope in every movie that the FBI and the state cops get into a fight. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Every time. | ||
| Oh, this is our jurisdiction. | ||
| Of course the state police say that to the FBI all the time. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's a whole thing. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So in order to have Hal Big on in this new sort of way, because I think Alex is now on board, or at least indicating that he's getting on board with the no one died thing. | ||
| He now needs to justify that in the internal universe of InfoWars. | ||
| And one of the best ways to do that is to rely on a trusted source. | ||
| Dr. Steve Pachinic ran the Camp David Accords, wrote the books with Tom Clancy. | ||
| He's the Jack Ryan character. | ||
| He's not. | ||
| He's been in combat situations at least ten times. | ||
| And he said, day one it was staged. | ||
| I mean, these are heavy hitters saying this. | ||
| Pachinic ran psychological warfare for the CIA, basically, in the Pentagon. | ||
| He was above it from the State Department. | ||
| Totally above it. | ||
| So what you have here is Alex has Steve Pachenik, who he, at this point... | ||
| And now, again, apparently, thinks is the most credible person in the world. | ||
| Everything old is new again. | ||
| And so, hey, man, Wolfgang might be saying some wild out there stuff, but Steve Pachenik, who was above the military or whatever. | ||
| Tell me which ten times he saw combat. | ||
| Who cares? | ||
| Fuck you. | ||
| He said day one that no one died. | ||
| And so maybe we were late to pick up on this. | ||
| Maybe we were exercising too much caution. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I knew it stunk. | ||
| I mean, why would Anderson Cooper turn and be a green screen and his nose disappear? | ||
| Why would they have kids going in and coming out clearly staged? | ||
| I just didn't. | ||
| Early on, I said, well, they had to have killed somebody. | ||
| I mean, this doesn't make sense. | ||
| Then parents come out and start laughing and then turn to the camera and cry. | ||
| I mean, this stinks to high heaven. | ||
| All I hear is Alex using the exact same talking points from ever, but now with the conclusion that no one died. | ||
| So, great. | ||
| All I hear is Alex losing all of his money. | ||
| That's where my head is going now. | ||
| Whenever we're listening to this truly disastrous stuff, my head is just going to him broke, penniless in the gutter. | ||
| So, we get back to these 16 questions thing, and you can clearly see how this, the allegation that these questions aren't answered is used as a cudgel. | ||
| And for 15 months, Alex, the school board refuses to call me back. | ||
| They refuse to answer the questions. | ||
| I've spent over $15,000 trying to get FOIA requests answered. | ||
| And guess what? | ||
| Not one response. | ||
| Yeah, why don't they just release it and shut you up? | ||
| Why don't you just Google it? | ||
| I'd go away. | ||
| I'll go away. | ||
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| Right. | ||
| I'm positive that a lot of the people probably would have answered his calls at the beginning. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I bet because of his behavior, I'm not going to talk to this guy. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I'm guessing. | ||
| I can't speak for the people who received his calls or emails, but I would assume that a lot of them are like, oh, no, no, no, no, no, no. | ||
| I know what's up here. | ||
| No, not engaging. | ||
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| And he interprets that as like, hey, they are too afraid to answer my questions. | ||
| Because optics. | ||
| It's optics. | ||
| This is what's important. | ||
| You're putting on publicity shit. | ||
| He's acting like a child. | ||
| He's acting like a child. | ||
| The first time a child asks you a question, you're like, oh, well, this is the answer to that question. | ||
| I'll just take you through real slowly. | ||
| And then it's like, no, but what about this? | ||
| No, but what about this? | ||
| Until you're like, you're a fucking child. | ||
| Get out of here. | ||
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| That's the conspiracy strategy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So Alex is continuing his consistent thread that is going far out of his way to present Halbig as the best. | ||
| And let me guess, coming out with something, I bet this has cut into your business. | ||
| It has. | ||
| I've actually been blackballed. | ||
| You're the perfect witness. | ||
| You've got this great record, national expert. | ||
| You see it. | ||
| You have integrity. | ||
| You tell the truth. | ||
| And I bet it got you blackballed. | ||
| It didn't get you blackballed with God, though. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Didn't get you blackballed with God because you're standing up and telling the truth. | ||
| And let me tell you, look, man, anybody can come out and just say whatever they want, but this is a man with a great, perfect reputation who's come out, and he's risked his livelihood in order to give you all the truth. | ||
| I should tell you that prior to becoming the Sandy Hook Conspiracy Theory World Center, Wolfgang Halbig was working on a movie about the Founding Fathers traveling into the present day and uncovering a grand conspiracy. | ||
| In the process of trying to write this movie, he tweeted at Jimmy Fallon trying to get help with getting his project off the ground. | ||
| Sterling credentials. | ||
| That did get him blackballed with God. | ||
| It's really surprising that that was what did it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, I mean, I guess this sort of like trying to break into Hollywood aspect of his career just sort of missing from Alex's... | ||
| Equation. | ||
| A little bit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| A little bit. | ||
| But otherwise, perfect witness. | ||
| Huge! | ||
| He was a principal one time in Florida, Dan. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I mean, that is one thing that is fair. | ||
| Like, he does, from everything I've been able to tell, does have some history. | ||
| Now, some of it might be a little more sordid. | ||
| It's very difficult to get to the bottom of some of that stuff. | ||
| But it does appear that he did work in schools and shit. | ||
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| But it's irrelevant based on the behaviors. | ||
| You know. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I'm going to let that one. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So, this is a great piece of foreshadowing for Alex's present day. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| This is a clip that made... | ||
| Listen, if I'm wrong, I hope they sue me and I lose all my money. | ||
| Actually, in one clip from an interview I didn't take clips from, Wolfgang does say, because he's a naturalized citizen, he came from Germany, he does say that if I'm wrong... | ||
| I will renounce my citizenship. | ||
| Did he? | ||
| No, because he still thinks he's right. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Damn it! | ||
| Shit! | ||
| But that was a pretty bold thing. | ||
| So Wolfgang's complaining about how they released information about the shooting, but it was a gigantic amount of information, right? | ||
| Right. | ||
| He has some complaints about that, and I think this is fucking hilarious, Alex's response. | ||
| And Stephen Sudensky, the Danbury state attorney, they created the biggest data dump. | ||
| It doesn't make any sense. | ||
| You'll spend the rest of your life trying to read it to try to understand it. | ||
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| I mean, that's a tactic in depositions is to dump so much on people they can't. | ||
| Oh, is that right, Alex? | ||
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| God damn it, Alex. | ||
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You remember how you sent over all of these emails of the Sandy Hook case deposition? | |
| You remember how that accidentally led to the investigators finding child porn in those emails? | ||
| Hey, one good deposition deserves another, apparently. | ||
| Look, dude, this is just an indication that he's keenly aware that this is a strategy that people employ, and he doesn't like it when they're doing it, but he was happy to employ it himself. | ||
| Well, of course. | ||
| Right. | ||
| If he doesn't do it, then they're going to do it. | ||
| And if they do it, well, then obviously he has to do it. | ||
| So even if they don't do it, they might do it. | ||
| So he's got to do it. | ||
| See? | ||
| Makes perfect sense. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So Alex seems to be pretty much on the hook with Wolfgang because of this FBI statistic. | ||
| But he has one sticking point. | ||
| And he needs to get over that. | ||
| And I think he does it pretty... | ||
| Pretty easily. | ||
| Automatically, almost? | ||
| And I guess they just picked a group of state police and others that they knew they had under their control, compromised. | ||
| I don't know, pro-gun controllers, fellow travelers. | ||
| I mean, that's the only sticking point, is that they can get so many people to engage in a criminal operation. | ||
| But historically, it happens. | ||
| It happens. | ||
| That was quick. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's my only sticking point is how impossible it is to get this many people doing it. | ||
| But it happens. | ||
| Yay! | ||
| The end. | ||
| My sticking point is how almost universally everyone who's around there is on the same page and me and my crazy friend Wolfgang. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And that's tough, because it's almost like everyone disagrees with me, but that happens. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| Hooray! | ||
| That's not good. | ||
| I could dwell on that, or I could treat myself to ice cream! | ||
| So this is the last clip that I have from the September 28th interview, and it's Wolfgang saying that he wants Alex to be there in court with him. | ||
| Yes, I do too. | ||
| You're looking at it the other way. | ||
| He's talking about when he sticks it to the Sandy Hook folks. | ||
| Alex, my dear friend, I want you to be in that room when we get the first deposition. | ||
| I want you to look at the person that we're going to go after, and you're going to be amazed, and I think you can share that with all of you listeners. | ||
| I mean, you're a great voice out there, but you need to be a part of being in part of that room in the deposition. | ||
| You'll be amazed. | ||
| How long until you do this lawsuit? | ||
| Well, it depends on the funding. | ||
| These attorneys want, you know, money's up front. | ||
| I've already spent $15,000. | ||
| I'm going to file it anyway. | ||
| I don't care what. | ||
| I'm going to finish this. | ||
| They shouldn't have come to my house, and I'm not going to stop. | ||
| I'm just not going to stop. | ||
| So they made a mistake pushing you. | ||
| They should not come to my house. | ||
| They shouldn't have threatened me right before Christmas. | ||
| You scared my family. | ||
| I mean, you've got to be kidding me. | ||
| It just seems like even through his own telling of so much of this, this is personal and petty. | ||
| He feels offended that the police came and was like, hey man, you sent fucking emails to people like that school nurse. | ||
| That's harassing people. | ||
| You need to stop or else you might get charged with something. | ||
| Someone might press charges and that turns into a years long quest that hurts tons and tons of people because Yeah. | ||
| I don't know why. | ||
| Hal Biggs' picture needs to be in an encyclopedia next to Hoisted by My Own Petard. | ||
| You're going to love being in these depositions. | ||
| Alex does not love it right now. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| So, I don't know. | ||
| I think we end this 2013, now in 2014, investigation with a little bit of a... | ||
| You know, it's mildly unsatisfying because I don't think that we can necessarily say... | ||
| I can't tell you exactly what happened between May and September. | ||
| I can't tell what evolutions Alex had without spending another year going through it. | ||
| But I ultimately think that, as I've already expressed, the initial thing that I set out for is much less important, it turns out, I believe, than... | ||
| The larger picture. | ||
| Missing the forest for the trees. | ||
| That sort of thing. | ||
| No, I don't accept anything. | ||
| That statement, it's fake! | ||
| It's fake! | ||
| We could be wrong. | ||
| But it's fake! | ||
| It's fake! | ||
| Look at all the things that are fake! | ||
| I don't give a fuck about the we could be wrong. | ||
| Functionally, you said it was fake. | ||
| You might as well have just said, I think Sandy Hook, nobody died there. | ||
| With a tiny little... | ||
| I could be wrong. | ||
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| And it's not in our capability or our sort of mandate, really, to assess things from a legal perspective. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, you know, none of this is necessarily him committing an act of defamation. | ||
| It's more... | ||
| The interest is more in terms of, like, when did he change? | ||
| When did things... | ||
| Twist? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I don't know. | ||
| Now, looking back on it, I'm not sure they ever really did all that much. | ||
| Now, granted, there was some immediate disgust towards people saying that Grieving Father was acting and faking, but that seems to have gone away fairly quickly. | ||
| And even in 2013, he's speculating about Robbie Parker. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's not that different. | ||
| All of it is to say that I think that his editorial line has been pretty regularly consistent. | ||
| And it's not that important to me when he says these people didn't die. | ||
| It is important on one level, but in terms of that being sort of behind a lot of the coverage, even if he's not explicitly saying it. | ||
| That, to me, is as damning. | ||
| I see him trying to be, like, he is way past the line, but I see him stretching a tiny little toe and trying to leave it on the line. | ||
| It's like, see? | ||
| No, I'm not past the line. | ||
| Your entire everything is past the line. | ||
| You can't just leave a little toe on there and be like, see? | ||
| Didn't happen. | ||
| So, we wrap up this 2013 investigation and say, Alex, you suck. | ||
| This is tragic. | ||
| I believe that the most generous way you could look at this is that Alex is woefully unable to do his job. | ||
| The best case scenario, the most kind, complimentary thing I can say about what he does is that he has no business doing this. | ||
| Because if you allow someone like Wolfgang, who you absolutely know believes that no one died there, if you allow him to come on your show and say things like, it's suspicious that this animal shelter got money, you have a responsibility to either know about the topics that you're going to be covering, or to say to him, is there a possible reason? | ||
| Ask a follow-up question instead of just be like, ah, yeah, fuck the United Way. | ||
| Further, because you know that he has this position, you have a responsibility to frame things a little bit more responsibly. | ||
| For instance, if you're going to ask him, what do you think happened? | ||
| You can't, in the middle of asking that question, say, this guy is amazing, we salute him. | ||
| You can't do that because you know the answer. | ||
| You are giving those compliments to the answer you know is coming. | ||
| I don't necessarily believe. | ||
| That that's an accident? | ||
| No. | ||
| Or something you would do randomly? | ||
| No. | ||
| But on the off chance that it is something that you would just do, you can't be trusted to be a commentator. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No. | ||
| I mean, this is one of those situations where sometimes your editorial statement is just booking. | ||
| Like, the moment you booked Halbig, you made your entire editorial statement clear. | ||
| Unless it's a confrontational interview. | ||
| Because you can't do that. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| No, you're absolutely right. | ||
| I'm just saying, like, with where we are right now, with all the Iraq war liars coming back on TV onto all of these shows, it's like, you've made your editorial position clear. | ||
| You want us to get lied into another war. | ||
| Unless the interview starts like this. | ||
| Excuse me, we have from a former intelligence official, all right, now, you're a fucking liar who lied us into a war, you fucking lying piece of shit. | ||
| Why shouldn't you be in jail? | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's a different conversation. | ||
| And that can be done. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| People like Cenk at the Young Turks having David Duke on it. | ||
| You can have that and be our adversarial interview, and it's okay. | ||
| So I don't think that Alex having Wolfgang Halbig on, period, is necessarily... | ||
| On its own, an editorial decision. | ||
| But having him on, praising him, saluting him, building him up as this great expert who is not only a champion for free speech and the victim of a conspiracy against him, but also giving up all of this material gain in order to pursue this truth. | ||
| That's the editorial decision. | ||
| The framing of how the interview is done alone. | ||
| Speaks volumes. | ||
| And I think you can also see a little bit of the difference between this sort of interview that Alex is giving here in May and September 2014 with, you can juxtapose that with Paul's interview with James Tracy in the months after the shooting. | ||
| Whereas Paul didn't do a great job of pushing back, he still did push back a bit. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| And did make explicit repeatedly that I don't agree with you. | ||
| That wasn't necessarily an adversarial interview, but it was at least pointed at times. | ||
| He covered his own ass, I guess. | ||
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| It was at least somewhat critical, and so that doesn't seem like nearly as big of an editorial choice as something like these. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's very, very good. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| I think one thing that I learned from the 2013 investigation, since we're now basically on three different epochs of Alex, we got 13, 15, and the present day. | ||
| Those are the ones we've looked at the most. | ||
| Yeah, and with 15, watching him leading up to an election is a way different type of monster than in 13 and the present because he doesn't have that thing to just harp on. | ||
| Now he can... | ||
| Throw his fucking disastrous bullshit anywhere. | ||
| Well, he had, you know, as it went along in 2015, he had the specter of Hillary Clinton coming around in order to work with. | ||
| Man, they made a lot out of that. | ||
| They certainly did. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I'm trying to reflect on this a little bit. | ||
| I think that, like, I'm a little, I don't know. | ||
| Nonplussed. | ||
| About the realization that the literal words coming out of his mouth are not the most important thing. | ||
| And the fact that that was the road I embarked down. | ||
| A little bit sort of maybe feels like a door not fully closed. | ||
| But at the same time, I'm super grateful to have been able to encounter the Boston bombing stuff. | ||
| Because that, like, I don't know how anybody could listen to that and not think that Alex is one of the most manipulative liars, basing his shit on nothing. | ||
| And I honestly think that, from my perspective, his behavior in the aftermath and the immediate and ensuing aftermath of the Boston bombing, it indicates... | ||
| And it has implications for his Sandy Hook coverage. | ||
| It really does. | ||
| It's such a full picture of just taking whatever piece of information, not vetting anything, and being like, fuck it, we're building a narrative. | ||
| And the narrative evolving to no one died at Sandy Hook is important. | ||
| But it is just an evolution of the narrative that was already there, which is something's fake. | ||
| Right. | ||
| This is all false flaggery. | ||
| Yeah, I think what we answered, you know, the 2013, it's just the question was not worded correctly. | ||
| You know, when did he say that Sandy Hook was fake? | ||
| Should have just been like, when did he functionally say that Sandy Hook was fake? | ||
| Because it was real quick. | ||
| Yeah, you know, in the post-mortem here, the sort of decompression, one of the notes you can take away is maybe, In the future, if we ever do try and look at stuff like this, maybe have a better idea of what you want to find. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Well, that, and I think we learned so much about... | ||
| You don't want to speculate on what's going on inside somebody's mind while they're saying something. | ||
| Whether or not he's telling the truth, or he believes it, or he's lying, you can't just speculate and say that is that. | ||
| But when you see these same techniques being used in the Sandy Hook aftermath and the Boston bombing aftermath, that gives you a clearer idea of when the next thing hits, we're not speculating on what you think. | ||
| We're going back to the context of the situation, and this is what you're doing. | ||
| Regardless of whether or not you believe it or not, we know exactly what you're doing, and that means something. | ||
| It means something. | ||
| So, anyway, just need to take a break from the present day, and we needed to put a bow here, and I think we've managed to do that. | ||
| And I guess we'll be back in the present day next time. | ||
| Do we have to? | ||
| We'll see. | ||
| Can we get a time machine? | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| We've got to get Wolfgang Halbig's screenplay. | ||
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