On May 13, 2014, Knowledge Fight hosts Dan Friesen and Jordan Holmes dissect Alex Jones’ promotion of Wolfgang Halbig’s Sandy Hook conspiracy theories—no deaths, staged event, and United Way cover-ups—despite verifiable evidence like the Salvation Army’s relief efforts and Newtown’s memorials. Halbig’s $15K FOIA requests and Dr. Steve Pieczenik’s unverified claims are amplified without scrutiny, revealing Alex’s pattern of framing skeptics as heroes while dismissing facts as "overwhelming" distractions. The episode underscores how Alex weaponizes doubt to undermine trust in institutions, prioritizing spectacle over truth. [Automatically generated summary]
I can't think about this question because I'm realizing as I say Jordan, I could just continue it and say Jordana Brewster, who is in Fast and Furious.
Whether it be Steve Pieczenik coming on and denying the Holocaust or Alex doing a just outrageously Islamophobic breakdown of an episode.
It's just, you gotta step back a little bit.
And one of the things that I realized is that in the wake of all of this stuff happening in the present day, one of the things that we've really let slip is the 2013 Sandy Hook investigation.
We are going to just keep going and Alex is going to stay in this wishy-washy state where he's basically saying that there are actors, but not committing to it fully.
Right.
And that is probably not great for us or the show.
It doesn't really lead us to where we want to go.
Ultimately, I set out doing that investigation starting on the day of the Sandy Hook shooting and moving forward because I wanted to know what was the exact day that Alex started saying that no one died there.
Along the way, you realize that even if Alex isn't saying that, you know, definitively these people are actors, he is justifying suspicion that they're actors by saying that people who died or survived the Aurora shooting were actors.
Right, right, right, right.
So though he's not directly impugning the experience of these people in Connecticut, the people who died at the Aurora shooting were someone's child too.
Being able to see him spin a conspiracy in real time, adjusting to information, crafting things out of thin air, pretending that the world is acting in response to him.
Yeah, I think those few days were probably some of the most exhilarating episodes that he's ever, like the way that I reacted to them, seeing him create those conspiracy theories in real time.
And so I want to end the investigation, quite frankly.
Me too.
I know it's a little bit unsatisfying in as much as we don't have the specific day, but I also, I just think that we will be doing this, like we'll be committing to this for the next five years.
And what I'm going to do is I'm going to jump forward in time and take us to May 2014, where Alex Jones invites Wolfgang Halbig onto his show for an interview.
I wonder how many potential lawsuits that could have been outside of the statute of limitations would actually be pushed back in if you just went through all of his best ofs.
Like, how many crimes has he committed on a best of list?
No, they're not inducted along still name-specific.
Okay.
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Wolfgang Halbig, former state police officer, and runs one of the largest school training safety organizations in the country.
He's also been a school principal after he's in the state police, and I think it was Florida.
But the whole point is that he's done an investigation and he says, looks like Sandy Hook's totally staged.
And we know they've declared state secrets on it, bulldozed the school.
He went to the school board meeting and they actually turned the cameras off, shut everything down and wouldn't let him speak even in the allotted time.
So they're acting very, very, very, very suspicious.
It is almost the most predictable and the correct move for them to make.
So Alex talks more about Halbig going to this press conference, and he seems to take great issue with the fact that an article in, I believe, Discovery called Wolfgang Halbig a conspiracy theorist.
Yesterday it was in national news that they shut down that school board meeting.
So we'll repull that article as well and get to that.
Here's the headline.
Newtown school board shuts down conspiracy theorists, discovery.com.
See, if you don't believe known certified liars, if you question Obama saying there is no $5,000 fee per employee who doesn't get Obamacare kicking in in 2015 and on many businesses in 2014, if you don't believe Obama when he says a ball-faced lie, you're a conspiracy theorist.
Or if he says you didn't build your small business and you say, yes, I did, you're a conspiracy theorist.
Or if he says raising the debt limit doesn't raise the national debt and you say it does raise the national debt, you're a conspiracy theorist.
If you say two plus two equals four and not five, you're a conspiracy theorist.
If you say that birds fly and that ducks quack, you're a conspiracy theorist.
So it seems to be everything in Alex's presentation in the teasing of this interview that's coming up is meant to, without explicitly saying, I believe the same thing he does.
I cannot stress to you the fact that I'm under more stress than I've ever been under, and that I'm performing better under that stress than I've ever done.
And it's undoubtedly, I mean, I'll tell the story now.
I started working out swimming two miles a day, several days a week, two miles, open swims.
I began doing five, six, seven mile hikes up cliffs.
Stop telling me all this stuff, but didn't really change my diet as much as I should.
Got more organic and didn't lose with about 10 pounds.
Then I did some of the InfowarsHealth.com longevity stuff, lost another 25 pounds or so.
But when I got the super male vitality developed by Dr. Group and the Fluoride Shield in the last 10 months, I've lost another 20 pounds and I have more energy.
Look, the issue here is that the show is becoming more of this.
There is more, and it's noticeable if you jump from the 2013 to this.
And it's the incorporation of these products.
Now, granted, at the same time, back when we were looking at the 2013 era, there would be times when the entire fourth hour or when you'd go into overdrive would be like one of those longevity weirdos.
I find his general tone and demeanor while selling us new Super Male Vitality to be hilarious in the context of what Supermale Vitality did to him that we've seen five years later.
Again, for the first 30 minutes of the next hour, we're going to have the former state police officer and a man that runs one of the largest, most successful school safety training organizations.
He says it's staged.
Sandy Hook.
I know it's staged.
I've seen Anderson Cooper with weird blue screen, green screen stuff claiming he was there.
I just don't know exactly what they staged.
You know, the official story is a fraud.
But then when a top expert like this guy starts investigating it, he's been threatened by the FBI at his house, now barred from being able to ask questions at school board.
I mean, they are really, and you can see them with the kids going in circles, the same kids going in and out on helicopter shot in a staged event.
Looks like a drill.
They might have killed a few real kids in there.
I don't know.
But we know they were having a drill.
We know they had weird SWAT teams dressed up like the shooters there.
Government connections to the kid.
I mean, it's the same deal.
The Colorado shooter, ladies and gentlemen, on record was under a top military psychiatrist.
And you also are a Nazi collaborator like George Soros, a famous one.
And then you get awards from the ADL.
But if you fight the Nazis, the ADL will list you.
And the government will send white supremacists that are government-controlled after you if you're Alex Jones.
And then the Southern Poverty Law Center will imply you're a racist while they send the white supremacists after you are proven to be government agents.
And Arnold Schwarzenegger will dress up in Nazi outfits and wear death's head belts, Nazi belts, and say that he loves Hitler to Rolling Stone Magazine and wants to be a dictator.
And he'll get ADL awards.
But Of you make a movie about Christ and make one comment you're baited into about Jews, you'll be crucified.
Ladies and gentlemen, we have massive breaking news here dealing with the First Amendment in this country.
If you look at the situation in Connecticut with the Sandy Hook shootings that were used to collectively put guilt on the American people and imply that gun owners collectively had murdered a bunch of little children in an elementary school, you can see it was a psyop.
It's come out that Bloomberg put out emails the day before saying, Get ready with our Twitter, with our media, to have a big push against guns the next 24 hours.
Very suspicious.
Then you've got the local regional SWAT team people hiding out in the woods in the same outfits as the supposed shooter.
You've got the whole story changing.
The most incriminating is you got the helicopter footage of the people with their hands up coming out of the school in the evacuation hours after it's supposedly happened, going in circles in and out of the school.
Going in circles.
They've torn down the school now.
They've declared state secrets on the photos, the video.
There's weird Anderson Cooper video where he claims he's there on the ground at the town square and he turns bigger than Dallas and it's a green screen.
He's shimmering around the edges.
His nose disappears.
You can see flowers and things blowing in the wind.
And then they do it again.
It's the same footage being looped behind him.
I mean, I don't know what happened there, but I know Anderson Cooper is admittedly a member of the Central Intelligence Agency.
And the other thing that he's doing in addition to establishing the talking points of Wolfgang Halbig before actually getting into the interview, which, I mean, that gives him a cakewalk, basically, for this interview.
He also, Alex does, he goes out of his way to establish credibility for Wolfgang in order to frame this interview as an intrepid investigator going out to dig out the truth, as opposed to it being like, well, this guy has questions.
The day prior, they dropped by the offices of the United Way of Western Connecticut, demanding records of how charity funds and donations had been used, only to be told that all that information is already public and they don't need to ask for it.
Interestingly, that article goes on to say, quote, seven members of the group, some carrying still and video cameras, then visited the offices of the News Times, asking to meet with a reporter.
A News Times editor met with one member of the group who asked for a story about their visit to the United Way, but the request was denied.
These people were engaged in a publicity stunt, and their actions pretty well spell that out.
There's really no other explanation for asking a newspaper to write an article about how you went to the United Way demanding records you can easily find online.
The same could be said of Halbig's appearance at the board meeting.
The Connecticut Post describes his group of being about a dozen or so people who each got three minutes to ask questions of board members.
They didn't get what they wanted out of the meeting.
Quote, board members refused to take the bait, remaining silent through presentations by Halbig and several of his supporters who followed him to the microphone.
The Connecticut Post describes the audience as, quote, respectful but thoroughly disgusted.
The reality is that this was a mentally unwell man trying to pull off an explosive publicity stunt along with a small group of followers.
But for someone like Alex, this is suspicious.
This is stonewalling and probably evidence that there's a cover-up going on.
According to the New York magazine, after this school board meeting, Lenny Posner emailed Halbig requesting to talk.
An associate sent a reply saying, quote, Wolfgang does not wish to speak with you unless you exhume Noah's body and prove to the world you lost your son.
These are sick fucking people we're talking about.
Also, an important point to bring up is that on May 9th, 2014, InfoWars released a special report recorded in Newtown.
The video was InfoWars reporter Dan Badandi, also known as the Kraken, interviewing Wolfgang Halbig outside the school board meeting.
It's unclear if the video they show of Wolfgang addressing the board was actually shot by Badanti himself, but it's presented with an InfoWars watermark, and the camera work is not good.
He and his group tried to get the News Times to cover their activities, and no one took the bait.
He tried to antagonize the school board members, and they only gave him respectfully silent disgust.
But Infowars was not only happy to cover his filthy shit, they were there.
Without this amplification, this probably would have just been an asshole asking questions at a meeting to a disapproving audience.
Dan Badandi, who Alex has repeatedly described as an employee and someone Alex sends on assignments, who is using an InfoWars mic for the interview, who clearly identifies himself as an InfoWars reporter in his sign-off, is going out of his way to make this a story.
They're working hard to frame this as a heroic, intrepid investigator running up into a conspiratorial stonewall in the form of this board meeting.
The point is, this is not reporting.
This is not hearing both sides of an issue.
This is a group, InfoWars, masquerading as a news outlet in service of helping people like Wolfgang Halbig disseminate their theories.
So days before the episode that we're listening to now, they put out this special report where Dan Badondi was there with Wolfgang, and now Alex is reporting on the sort of drama surrounding Wolfgang not being allowed to quote-unquote ask questions at this board meeting.
It's integrative.
You can see the way that there's almost like Alex through Dan Badandi is causing trouble.
And then now with the thin veneer of his sitting in the studio as a professional is talking about the fallout of it.
So here's the headline: school board shuts down conspiracy theorists.
Now, they've shot footage of this, and Wolfgang's making a documentary, but he said he'll send us the raw footage.
As soon as it gets here, make copies on MemoryStick or whatever.
We will get a special report out because this needs to be seen of them being shut down at the school board, then trying to go to United Way and others.
I think it's important that every listener clearly understands that do I want to be doing this?
Absolutely not.
I'm retired.
I mean, I got my AAP card.
Had these police officers, had the homicide investigators not come to my home a week before Christmas, Newtown would have never heard of Wolfgang Haldig.
Nobody would have ever heard of me.
Because, you know, as a national school safety consultant. I simply was sending the FOIA request, Connecticut Freedom of Information request, asking simple questions that's not offensive to any of those parents who supposedly lost a child.
He's saying that if the police hadn't knocked on his door, he wouldn't have gone on this investigation.
Alex can hear that and think, yeah, all he was doing was sending out legal and legitimate FOIA requests and the police show up.
That's a clear sign they want to silence him.
However, that is not the reality.
According to a piece in the New York magazine Intelligencer, two Florida police officers paid a visit to Halbig to, quote, relay a message from police in Connecticut that he risked being charged with harassment if he continued contacting people in Newtown.
This was not the result of him sending out FOIA requests.
It was because he was doing things like sending Sally Cox, the school nurse at Sandy Hook, who survived the shooting by hiding in a closet, a message saying, quote, why close your eyes when you've seen blood before?
You are a nurse.
By any standard, that sort of message being sent by a complete stranger who's bent on denying a deeply traumatic event that you lived through, that counts as harassment.
So by my metrics, Wolfgang is super lucky that he just got a polite visit with a warning from the police.
But optics are everything.
So this visit from the police, you know, it played a big role in legitimizing Wolfgang in the eyes of the conspiracy world.
His work is so dangerous that they're sending cops in to intimidate him.
It's such bullshit, but that's the way this stuff works.
Does he think that a FOIA request is just like as long as you say FOIA at the top of it, like dear FOIA, and then you tell the nurse that she's seen blood before and she's lying.
So like, just like with United Way, he's like, dear FOIA, United Way, you send me these fucking documents or I'll kill you.
And I think when you look at the amount of money that has been poured into Sandy Hook and Newtown because of this incident, it all starts at the United Way Western Connecticut, who actually, I mean, you saw it advertised three days before the shooting.
They were looking to solicit money three days before the shooting.
And I think the big red flag is the Connecticut Attorney General's report on his findings.
If Wolfgang Halbig or Alex Jones were sincere actors in this, they would point out that the reason some Sandy Hook-related donations went to an animal sanctuary is because it was being built in the memory of one of the children who died in the shooting.
From an MNN article published on January 24th, 2013, long before this episode, quote, the family of one of the students killed during the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting is asking people to donate money to build a new animal sanctuary in her name.
Jenny and Matt Hubbard's daughter, Catherine, died in the shooting and was very passionate about animals.
So they decided a good way to honor her memory was to create an animal rescue and welfare center in her name.
The reason that the money may have flowed through the Animal Center, the existing animal organization in Newtown, is that they were associated with the project.
They had an infrastructure, but they didn't have a shelter, which was part of this Hubbard plan, something it was meant to help with.
The VP, the vice president of the Animal Center, Harmony Verna, made a statement saying, quote, this sanctuary will be a place where neglected, abused, or homeless animals can get a second chance at life, a place for children and adults to connect with animals in the natural world.
Animals have an amazing capacity to love and heal the human spirit.
We hope Catherine will think it's the most beautiful place on earth.
In 2014, Connecticut conveyed some land across 34 acres to be the home for this new animal sanctuary, which is continuing construction to this point in present day.
It's a huge project, so that's not really particularly surprising that it hasn't fully been completed yet.
There's no reason for Wolfgang Halbig to not know this stuff.
And Alex has a responsibility to not passively let this dude lie about grieving parents trying to memorialize their daughter with an animal sanctuary.
It's been a while since we've done a 13, so I've lost, like, when we were doing both of them back and forth, you know, I was acclimated to two different types of kinds of awful.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And then I kind of let that 2013 go after a while.
We haven't done it, and now I'm right back to it.
And it's like, Jesus, how many different ways can you be a disgusting monster?
Yeah, yeah.
You can't be in the present and be like, oh, this disgusting monster is doing shit like that, and then go in the past and find a completely different level of disgust.
It's less an indication that Alex is lying and more an indication that he's not equipped to have these conversations unless the point of the conversation is to passively allow a liar to lie to your audience and help them.
And so that seems to be more what's going on here than hearing both sides.
And it's like, okay, yes, if you hear both sides of something and one of them is a lie and then you don't actually even really hear the other side, then what are you doing?
Is that Wolfgang's behavior is causing a lot of damage, emotional and otherwise, to come to the survivors and victims' families of the shooting.
In this clip, Alex allows Wolfgang to complain that he is being threatened and is, you know, he allows Wolfgang to present himself as the victim in this entire situation.
Wolfgang Halbeg hid his harassment behind this thin veneer of having 16 supposedly unanswered questions, which, if answered, he'd shut up.
Naturally, some of the questions are unanswerable or meaningless or already answered or perhaps most relevantly, none of his fucking business.
Question 12, for example, is, quote, why did the parents of two children who died at the Danbury Hospital not allow their children to donate their organs to other children waiting for the gift of life?
So Wolfgang starts disseminating some talking points about how the school was a toxic waste dump, basically, which Alex would pick up later and definitely run with.
And you know, when you look at the school itself, when you look at Sandy Hook, it is a filthy school.
That's what I wanted to talk to the board members about.
It is a toxic waste dump.
When you look at the data, and here's what they didn't realize, they put it in their own newspaper before they demolished it.
Sandy Hook had the highest level of lead pain throughout the entire school.
Sandy Hook had the highest level of asbestos in the ceiling tiles and ceiling floors.
It had the highest level of PCP in the groundwater.
It's contaminated.
Now, here's the question.
Connecticut law requires that every parent must be notified of those hazardous chemicals because they have serious health effects on children, which may not be seen until five years later.
Now, why would any parent, why would those 18 of the 20 parents that moved into Newtown in 2009 enroll their child in a school with all those hazardous chemicals?
But what Wolfgang is pushing toward here is that these parents would never enroll their kids to go to a school like that.
Thus, they must not have.
Thus, there were no kids enrolled in Sandy Hook.
In reality, you can find copies of the school's inspection reports from 2011, a year prior to the shooting, and learn that they were in compliance with the EPA's indoor air quality rules.
Further, you can find that asbestos is listed as not a problem.
The air quality is given a three on a scale of one to four.
There's no evidence for any of the stuff that Alex is letting Wolfgang Halbig assert here.
That is a setup for Halbig to say what he thinks happened.
Now, while he's asking this question that he knows the answer to, he goes out of his way to salute and build up how great Wolfgang Halbig is, which you wouldn't do if you weren't trying to get credibility to whatever answer you know he's going to give.
People can see your 16 questions at sandyhookjustice.com.
And we just salute your will to go up there and have eight police cars block you to United Way and have them shut you down at the school board at the commission.
But bottom line, what do you, as an almost 40-year investigator, police officer, you name it, what do you think is happening here?
I don't want to go off on a jag here speculating about why someone like Alex might be in favor of the Salvation Army, but I think it might be an easy puzzle if you want to put that together yourself.
Instead, I would prefer to read to you from an article published on December 19th, 2012, just five days after the shooting.
Quote, the Salvation Army, being part of the community, has provided food and support to the people of Newtown, Connecticut, after 26 people, including 20 children, lost their lives in a gun attack at Sandy Hook Elementary School.
This article is posted on the Salvation Army's website.
They sent out mobile food units.
They held services.
They had a representative who appeared with President Obama at a vigil for the victims.
They even honored the victims at that year's world record bell ringing, where after ringing those bells of theirs for 80 hours straight, they held a, quote, 27-minute-long moment of silent ringing to recognize each of those lost that day.
Anyway, I have no idea what these assholes mean by not involved.
So I'm just going to put my two cents in here and say the Salvation Army was very involved in the response to Sandy Hook.
So the interview ends, and Wolfgang is trying to sew some sort of conspiratorial nature to an event that happened.
And that is that one police station phoned another police station and was like, hey, Wolfgang and his guys are coming around, which I don't think is suspicious at all.
I think if I were a cop, I'd probably do that too.
The thing is, too, when we traveled from Danbury over to the Newtown Police Department to meet with the police chief, Mike Kehoe, Danbury had already notified the police chief in Newtown that we were coming.
Now, don't you think if you thought there was a possibility that it was somebody who had died, the last thing you would do is make fun of the way they cry.
And one of the things listening to this interview really crystallized for me is that after he gets done talking with Halbig, he sounds fairly similar to how he was in most of the time that we're listening to him in 2013.
It made me realize that there is not really a discernible difference between this behavior that I find incredibly abhorrent in terms of him helping and pushing Wolfgang's narratives and how Alex was almost the entire time.
In the same way that I realized how little it mattered the specific day he first uttered their actors.
Yeah, I suppose if the practical effects of what you're saying are identical to the practical effects of what people are accusing you of saying, it doesn't really matter.
I called the New Haven FBI offices, and their response is, well, they've been asked by the Connecticut State Police not to put those numbers on their data sheet.
Now, when has the state police ever told the FBI what to do?
So in order to have Halbig on in this new sort of way, because I think Alex is now on board or at least indicating that he's getting on board with the no one died thing.
He now needs to justify that in the internal universe of Infowars.
And one of the best ways to do that is to rely on a trusted source.
Didn't get you blackballed with God because you're standing up and telling the truth.
And let me tell you, look, man, anybody, anybody can come out and just say whatever they want.
But this is a man with a great, perfect reputation who's come out and he's risked his livelihood in order to give you all the truth.
I should tell you that prior to becoming the Sandy Hook Conspiracy Theory World Center, Wolfgang Halbig was working on a movie about the founding fathers traveling into the present day and uncovering a grand conspiracy.
In the process of trying to write this movie, he tweeted at Jimmy Fallon trying to get help with getting his project off the ground.
I think we end this 2013, now in 2014 investigation with a little bit of a, you know, it's a little, it's mildly unsatisfying because I don't think that we can necessarily say, I can't tell you exactly what happened between May and September.
I can't tell what evolutions Alex had without spending another year going through it.
But I ultimately think that, you know, as I've already expressed, the initial thing that I set out for is much less important, it turns out, I believe, than the larger picture.
Missing the forest for the trees, that sort of thing.
Now, granted, there was some immediate disgust towards people saying that Grieving Father was acting and faking, but that seems to have gone away fairly quickly.
And then even in 2013, he's speculating about Robbie Parker.
That's not that different.
All of it is to say that I think that his editorial line has been pretty regularly consistent.
And it's not that important to me when he says these people didn't die.
It is important on one level, but in terms of that being sort of behind a lot of the coverage, even if he's not explicitly saying it, that to me is as damning.
So we wrap up this 2013 investigation and say, Alex, you suck.
This is tragic.
I don't believe I believe that the most generous way you could look at this is that Alex is Woefully unable to do his job.
Like the best case scenario, the most kind, complimentary thing I can say about what he does is that he has no business doing this.
Because if you allow someone like Wolfgang, who you absolutely know believes that no one died there, if you allow him to come on your show and say things like, it's suspicious that this animal shelter got money.
You have a responsibility to either know about the topics that you're going to be covering or to say to him, is there a possible reason?
Ask a follow-up question instead of just be like, ah, yeah, fuck the United Way.
Further, because you know that he has this position, you have a responsibility to frame things a little bit more responsibly.
For instance, if you're going to ask him, what do you think happened?
You can't, in the middle of asking that question, say, this guy is amazing.
We salute him.
You can't do that because you know the answer.
You are giving those compliments to the answer you know is coming.
I don't necessarily believe that that's an accident or something you would do randomly.
I'm just saying, like with where we are right now, with all the Iraq war liars coming back on TV onto all of these shows, it's like you've made your editorial position clear.
You want us to get lied into another war.
Sure.
Unless the interview starts like this.
Excuse me, we have from a former intelligence official, all right, now you're a fucking liar who lied us into a war, you fucking lying piece of shit.
But having him on, praising him, saluting him, building him up as this great expert who is not only a champion for free speech and the victim of a conspiracy against him, but also giving up all of this material gain in order to pursue this truth.
That's the editorial decision.
The framing of how the interview is done alone speaks volumes.
And I think you can also see a little bit of the difference between this sort of interview that Alex is giving here in May and September 2014 with you can juxtapose that with Paul's interview with James Tracy in the months after the shooting.
Whereas Paul didn't do a great job of pushing back, he still did push back a bit.
I think one thing that I learned from the 2013 investigation, since we're now basically on three different epochs of Alex, we got 13, 15, and the present day.
With 15, watching him leading up to an election is a way different type of monster than in 13 and the present because he doesn't have that thing to just harp on.
Now he can throw his fucking disastrous bullshit anywhere.
I think that I'm a little, I don't know, non-plussed about the realization that the literal words coming out of his mouth are not the most important thing.
And the fact that that was the road I embarked down.
A little bit sort of maybe feels like a door not fully closed.
But at the same time, I'm super grateful to have been able to encounter the Boston bombing stuff because that, like, I don't know how anybody could listen to that and not think that Alex is one of the most manipulative liars basing his shit on nothing.
And I honestly think that from my perspective, his behavior in the aftermath and the immediate and ensuing aftermath of the Boston bombing indicates and it has implications for his Sandy Hook coverage.
It's such a full picture of just taking whatever piece of information, not vetting anything, as being like, fuck it, we're building a narrative.
And the narrative evolving to no one died at Sandy Hook is important, but it is just an evolution of the narrative that was already there, which is something's fake.
And, you know, in the post-mortem here, you know, the sort of decompression, you can, one of the notes you can take away is maybe in the future, if we ever do try and look at stuff like this, maybe have a better idea of what you want to find.
Well, that, and I think we learned so much about like you don't want to speculate on what's going on inside somebody's mind while they're saying something.
You know, whether or not he's telling the truth or he believes it or he's lying, you know, you can't just speculate and say that is that.
But when you see these same techniques being used in the Sandy Hook aftermath and the Boston bombing aftermath, that gives you a clearer idea of when the next thing hits.
We're not speculating on what you think.
We're going back to the context of the situation.
And this is what you're doing.
Regardless of whether or not you believe it or not, we know exactly what you're doing.