Today, Dan and Jordan take a look at Alex Jones' response the day after Trump assassinated a high level Iranian general to see where he lands on the issue. Also, one of Alex's oldest guests decides to celebrate the occasion by dabbling in some Holocaust revisionism.
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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys. | |
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Dan and Jordan. | |
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| Andy in Kansas. | ||
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| Stop it. | ||
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| It's time to pray. | ||
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| You're on the air. | ||
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Knowledge Fight. | |
| KnowledgeFight.com I love you. | ||
| Hey, everybody. | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
| I'm Jordan. | ||
| We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Indeed we are, Dan. | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| Dan? | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| How was your first experience with weed being legal in Illinois? | ||
| Well, weed became legal on the 1st of January, and that evening I got a text from a friend. | ||
| I don't remember who it was. | ||
| I think it was Jordan. | ||
| Sent me a text that he wanted to go down to the dispensary on the 2nd of January. | ||
| Why not? | ||
| And I thought, hey, I don't smoke weed. | ||
| Why not? | ||
| Which is a stupid decision. | ||
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Yeah, what? | |
| Were you busy? | ||
| No, not really. | ||
| So we went down there, and it was an interesting time. | ||
| It was a bit of a long line, but very professional process. | ||
| It really was. | ||
| It was pretty smooth, considering it was the second day they were in operation. | ||
| I got a couple of gummies and seeing if it helps with sleep. | ||
| How have the gummies worked for you? | ||
| So far, results are inconclusive. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Seems like it's helping a little bit, but I'm not entirely sure if that's the placebo effect or whatever, but... | ||
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I don't know. | |
| It's interesting. | ||
| Yeah, I think my ability to metabolize things is a little bit rough because they said that the average dose for the gummies was like half of one. | ||
| That's what the people at the place said, yes. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I ate two and it barely registered. | ||
| Like, it was bad. | ||
| Well, you may have a problem. | ||
| I may have an issue. | ||
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Right. | |
| That might be on my end, not theirs. | ||
| Luckily for me, I have almost no interest in using any of this stuff to get high, per se, so I don't really even care about your troubles. | ||
| Sure, sure, of course not. | ||
| Your little pissant concerns about, oh, I took two and I didn't get your buzz. | ||
| I was just sharing. | ||
| I know, I appreciate your insight. | ||
| I'm just sharing my... | ||
| Yeah, it's super interesting. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| We'll see what happens. | ||
| It was surprising. | ||
| I've never waited four hours for weed before, so it was a little weird. | ||
| It wasn't that long, and they allowed you to... | ||
| It had a really interesting setup where you would sign in, and then they would text you when it was ready for you to come to be let in. | ||
| That was brilliant. | ||
| I enjoyed that a lot. | ||
| You and I left, and we had brunch, and wandered around Andersonville neighborhood. | ||
| It was wonderful. | ||
| Yeah, it wasn't like you were standing there waiting for four hours, which would have been a deal-breaker for me. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Absolutely would have been a no-go. | ||
| I was already ready to leave anyways, and we had already waited three hours. | ||
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Yeah, that's true. | |
| I was like, fuck this noise. | ||
| Ah, but whatever. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, anyway, I don't know. | ||
| I don't have a ton of thoughts about that, but I do know a lot about Alex Jones. | ||
| Ah, and I don't know anything about either. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, Jordan, today we have an episode to do that... | ||
| I'm not entirely positive that I am wanting to do. | ||
| I want to get out of the present day. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah, well, I mean, me too. | ||
| I keep for many different reasons. | ||
| I keep having, like, well, we've done a bunch of present day episodes. | ||
| Time to go do something else. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And then something will happen in the world, like Alex's deposition will happen. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Or, you know, it'll come out that he lost $100,000 in fees to the court. | ||
| Or Trump goes ahead and assassinates a guy who's part of the government. | ||
| That one is probably something to cover. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So these things keep happening, and I can't not cover it. | ||
| It would be outside of the public's interest. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| And hey, I'm not sitting here complaining. | ||
| I'm forced to be in the present day. | ||
| It is a slog, a little bit. | ||
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Absolutely. | |
| I think it probably is for the listeners, too, and I apologize about that. | ||
| As soon as we have a chance to do an episode that is not the present day, I promise you. | ||
| We will do one. | ||
| ASAP, yeah. | ||
| But unfortunately, you know, we've got to keep up with this stuff, because there's developing situations, and Alex's positions on them are interesting to note. | ||
| Yeah, generally speaking, when historians will look back and say this was where World War III started... | ||
| They will not be talking about Alex Jones. | ||
| They will not be talking about Alex Jones. | ||
| I highly doubt that. | ||
| But we will. | ||
| Yes. | ||
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| Yeah. | ||
| So today's episode that we're going over is January 3rd, 2020. | ||
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Gotcha. | |
| First episode of 2020. | ||
| Hey! | ||
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Boo! | |
| 2020's already shit. | ||
| It's Friday of last week, and so the day after Trump ordered the strike to take out Soleimani... | ||
| And we'll get into some of that a little bit. | ||
| But before we do, here's an Outer Context drop from today's show. | ||
| I'm Alex Jones, and this is 2020. | ||
| He's ripping off Barbara Walters. | ||
| No, stop it! | ||
| I think Alex is going to do that every day. | ||
| I believe that. | ||
| This is Alex Jones. | ||
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This is 2020. | |
| What a dick. | ||
| Oh, that's lame. | ||
| So before we get into today's show, I want to give a little bit of a disclaimer. | ||
| I'm not an expert in geopolitics. | ||
| I can really only go on the information that's available and I can find, which is oftentimes limited, particularly in the case of evolving and ongoing situations. | ||
| Some potentially major events unfolded over the course of the last week, and though those things will come up on this episode, I want to express that I'm going to try my best to stay away from overanalyzing things too much, since that would probably be a little bit irresponsible of someone like me to do. | ||
| There are many other great places where that kind of work is being done by far more competent hands, and I would encourage people to rely on those sources for more nuanced discussion of the geopolitical scene. | ||
| I don't know what Iran is going to do to respond, and I don't want to speculate, since that could easily veer off track into you and I playing guest. | ||
| That being said, I want to offer two very strong positions that I hold. | ||
| That are probably best to acknowledge up top before we get into anything. | ||
| And after I say this, you're welcome to speak your piece as well, Jordan, your position. | ||
| The first is that I'm absolutely categorically opposed to a war with Iran. | ||
| And I'm equally opposed to the actions that make such a war more likely. | ||
| I understand that many would see the invasion of a U.S. embassy in Iraq as grounds for a response. | ||
| And I understand that position and where that's coming from. | ||
| But I think that this level of response seems way out of proportion and reckless. | ||
| Second, from everything I've read on the subject, Trump crossed a very serious line by killing Soleimani, in that Soleimani was an official of the Iranian government. | ||
| This is an official of a sovereign government who Trump has openly admitted he ordered the assassination of, which is a really fucked up thought. | ||
| I have some discomfort with the idea of drone warfare, generally speaking, but when it's being used to commit political assassinations on government figures within countries that we are not at war with, it is a very serious matter. | ||
| In an article in The Atlantic, Ona Hathaway, a professor of international law at Yale Law School, opined that the strike to kill Soleimani was a breach not only of our Constitution, but also international law, because Trump did not inform Congress, nor did he approach the UN Security Council before making this decision. | ||
| These problems could be resolved if the attack was done to stop an imminent attack, which Secretary of State Mike Pompeo has claimed, but no one has produced any proof to support that assertion. | ||
| It's my feeling that, leaving aside how bad a guy Soleimani might have been, or may have been, probably was, what Trump did was wrong and profoundly dangerous. | ||
| Given all the information I have at my disposal, I don't see any gray area there. | ||
| And Trump's actions since the killing have only made me feel deeply concerned even more so. | ||
| It's probably debatable if the assassination counts as an act of provocation that would justify Iran declaring war, for example. | ||
| But what's not debatable is that after all of that, Trump took to Twitter and literally threatened to commit war crimes. | ||
| He said, quote, Let this serve as a warning that if Iran strikes any Americans or American assets, we've targeted 52 Iranian sites representing the 52 American hostages taken by Iran many years ago. | ||
| Some at a very high level and importance to Iran and the Iranian culture. | ||
| And those targets and Iran itself will be hit very fast and very hard. | ||
| The US wants no more threats. | ||
| The part about Iranian culture being targeted is a massive red flag. | ||
| Targeting cultural sites is universally considered a war crime, and not for nothing, the people you'd generally be killing by attacking cultural sites are non-combatants. | ||
| So the very idea that a president would say something like this is absolutely unacceptable territory for us to be in. | ||
| The way Trump is behaving is villain shit. | ||
| This is authoritarian-level shit, and I just don't even know what to say about it. | ||
| There's obviously more to this story than we know right now, and putting singular blame on Trump I think would be foolish. | ||
| He's ultimately responsible for the decision, but I think it would be naive to think it was a decision that was made in a vacuum. | ||
| There's obviously advisors around and people steering him in directions. | ||
| But for me to speculate on the precise aspect of that, I think at this point would be just that. | ||
| Speculation. | ||
| One thing that strikes me is that I feel like Alex and I should be on the same page on this one. | ||
| The fact that Trump would kill a government official from a state we're not at war with without notifying Congress should be everything Alex is against in an executive. | ||
| Alex is an anti-war guy, or at least pretends to be, so it should be pretty clear as a case of Trump stepping way outside the bounds of acceptable action and doing things that tend to make war more likely, not less. | ||
| This should be a slam dunk for Alex as a way to leave Trump, but I think we all know how this is going to go. | ||
| So, these are sort of the positions that I'm coming in with. | ||
| And I don't want to necessarily litigate a lot of the, like, but what about... | ||
| Right. | ||
| No, the angles of it, I think, leaving everything aside, this is not an acceptable action. | ||
| No. | ||
| And then the way Trump has behaved afterwards has made the action itself even worse. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And so, that's sort of the position I'm coming from. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| I suppose the only thing that I can say now that makes me feel, I guess, sticking true to my principles is that W, Obama, and Trump should all be prosecuted for war crimes. | ||
| I guess there's no other way to make sense of this. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| If we hadn't done anything, if we did something to prosecute W for his war crimes... | ||
| Maybe we wouldn't be here. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| And we didn't do anything. | ||
| And we've just allowed it to deteriorate. | ||
| So, you know, our government should most of them be in jail. | ||
| I guess that's that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We've had how many... | ||
| My life has been spent at war. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know, how many opportunities have we had to do this? | ||
| And the extent to which we've given the executive branch carte blanche has led, obviously, to a... | ||
| Situation where the Mad King can do whatever he wants. | ||
| This is the end point of what happened in O.W. It does feel that way. | ||
| This is the logical conclusion of that. | ||
| Like I said, I don't want to overanalyze stuff because I'm not equipped to do that. | ||
| I would be putting on airs. | ||
| I'd be pretending some sort of capabilities that I don't have. | ||
| So, without getting too deep into anything until things come up along the way, I do want to say that this episode is a total mess. | ||
| But honestly, only half of the situation that makes it a mess is because of what's going on with Iran. | ||
| As you might expect on a day like this of international intrigue, Alex has Steve Pachenik on to get his expert opinion on things. | ||
| And that interview deteriorates into territory that even shocked me. | ||
| Which is saying a lot, considering Steve's recent appearances on the show, where he said that representative government should go away, due process is stupid, and that he was involved in the death of Yitzhak Rabin. | ||
| Yeah, that one was a little bit tough. | ||
| It takes a lot for Steve to shock me. | ||
| But suffice it to say, somehow he managed to do it. | ||
| I'm surprised. | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| He's not claiming any involvement in the... | ||
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No. | |
| Okay, because I really think he might. | ||
| Not in the present day. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Although he does say repeatedly that he knew the Ayatollah Khomeini. | ||
| He knew personally? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Okay, I gotcha. | ||
| Have you been to his house? | ||
| And that Ayatollah Khomeini said that his son was stupid. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| All right. | ||
| All right. | ||
| It's an interesting... | ||
| That's fucking bonkers. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yes, it is. | ||
| But we'll get to that when he gets in in about the second hour. | ||
| For now, Alex starts the show off in a very weird way, because this is giant... | ||
| conversations about shades of 2003. | ||
| People having conversations about what does this mean? | ||
| Is this legally justifiable in any way? | ||
| So I'm going to go with he's going to talk about the movie Oblivion. | ||
| No, this isn't 2013. | ||
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Oh, okay. | |
| He's forgotten about that movie already. | ||
| Okay, I just figured that's a great way to go. | ||
| If you don't want to talk about this, you talk about oblivion, man. | ||
| He's forgotten that that's a movie and now thinks it's a white paper. | ||
| Okay, all right. | ||
| He thinks it's real. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| No, he starts out by bragging about how he's getting a lot of traffic. | ||
| The Infowars servers are laboring right now under record. | ||
| Traffic. | ||
| As the world tunes in to hear what myself and my guests are going to break down and say and what callers to this broadcast are going to say about the historic, incredibly bold move that we witnessed yesterday by the president. | ||
| So Alex starts out on a pretty, like, hey, we're getting tons of traffic. | ||
| His first point is that we're getting record traffic, which, first of all, I don't believe. | ||
| Maybe a recent record or something, but you're not getting record traffic from your glory days. | ||
| That's absolutely ridiculous. | ||
| But it is a self-aggrandizing opening. | ||
| Like, hey, yes, there is a lot going on in the world, but, you know... | ||
| When big things happen in the world, everyone wants to know what I'm saying. | ||
| Yeah, that's some psychopath shit is what that is. | ||
| I think it is. | ||
| Well, I mean, it's just narcissism. | ||
| But then, on the other hand, I think what it is, too, is that, like, the last time Trump bombed somebody, Alex got really drunk and cried on air. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So I think that people are thinking, like, oh, God. | ||
| Is this the day? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I see what you're saying. | ||
| I think that there is a certain amount of training that people have gone under that type. | ||
| Something crazy is gonna have it on his show. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| So I wouldn't be surprised if he did get a lot of eyes tuning in to be like, what's he gonna do? | ||
| Yeah, that would make sense. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, because is he going to finally break with Trump over this? | ||
| The last time he said he crammed ISIS up his dirty asshole. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| So he's got to elevate his game today, right? | ||
| He's got to take it up an escalated notch. | ||
| You'd think. | ||
| I would believe he's getting increased traffic, but it's not people who are like, I need to know what he's going to say. | ||
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Right, right, right. | |
| I want to see a train wreck. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| I think that's what's going on. | ||
| But anyway, it seems to show where his priorities are, or at least where his head is. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| As usual. | ||
| So Alex, in that clip, you heard him say that this was a bold action. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Trump drone attacking Soleimani. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And, you know, that continues. | ||
| He keeps calling it bold. | ||
| But at the beginning of the show, he's trying to walk a line here where he's not into it. | ||
| Condoning it. | ||
| Right. | ||
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But it is a bold, decisive move by the executive. | |
| The sense that I get from listening to this, and it doesn't change. | ||
| Really, throughout the entire time, is that Alex is in favor of this, but doesn't want to be in favor of it. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Doesn't want to be, like, overly, like, yeah, whoo-hoo! | ||
| Right. | ||
| But is pretty in favor. | ||
| And I think he wants to go to war with Iran. | ||
| Yeah, that makes sense. | ||
| But he also doesn't want to say he wants to go to war with Iran. | ||
| He wants to say it's defensive or something like that. | ||
| Quite frankly, he sounds a lot like a lot of the people I remember back at the beginning of the Iraq War. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| He sounds very similar to a lot of those folks. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Which is weird. | ||
| A lot of those folks... | ||
| Are coming back up. | ||
| A lot of them showing up today. | ||
| Isn't that crazy? | ||
| A lot of them showing back up makes total sense. | ||
| Alex Jones becoming one of them is a transformation. | ||
| That is weird. | ||
| But anyway, here's how Alex sort of starts this off. | ||
| He encourages a cerebral response. | ||
| I'm asking listeners to really pull back and be cerebral about this, and I'm trying to do that myself. | ||
| Also, really quick, the sound is terrible. | ||
| Yeah, I'm confused as to... | ||
| I was about to ask you, like, do we need to stop? | ||
| No, it's atrocious. | ||
| It's just... | ||
| I don't know what the problem is. | ||
| The audio is a disaster. | ||
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Wow. | |
| I'm certainly not lecturing you. | ||
| I'm lecturing myself. | ||
| And look geopolitically what's happening around the world and what message President Trump is really sending with this, not just to North Korea. | ||
| But also to Obama and Hillary and John Kerry that have been working with Iran publicly against President Trump and Congress and against the law. | ||
| And the fact that they've been encouraging Iran to attack ships, sink ships and engage in massive paramilitary activity across the Middle East. | ||
| So I don't know if people are actually doing that. | ||
| Fuck off. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Fuck off. | ||
| Don't do the... | ||
| Well, it's only because Obama actually made this all fucking... | ||
| No. | ||
| Fuck off. | ||
| That's the other thing that's really consistent. | ||
| First is, okay, this is bold. | ||
| And then the second thing is, like, this is a message to everyone. | ||
| I think it is. | ||
| I think it is a message. | ||
| I'm fucking crazy, man! | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Anything can happen. | ||
| At any time. | ||
| Not good. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So Alex starts talking about Iran. | ||
| He starts talking about the country in some pretty glowing terms, but also at the same time, you know how in pro wrestling, a really good opponent... | ||
| Well, talk about how great you are if you're fighting them. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because they want to beat someone that they have built up. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| You don't want the person you're in a feud against to be like, you're a piece of shit, you suck. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Because it doesn't elevate either of you, no matter what ends up happening. | ||
| It's the traveling Ronin looking for the greatest swordsman in the land in order to defeat him and test his true powers. | ||
| You want to put someone over. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that's kind of how I feel a little bit about Alex. | ||
| The way he talks about Iran. | ||
| Throughout this episode is very much like building them up, but also like they're a worthy adversary. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Won't it be glorious when we defeat our... | ||
| It's a little strange. | ||
| And the Iranians are where the word Aryan comes from. | ||
| Hitler modeled his system off of the Aryan plan, where they have believed for 3,000 years they have a right to rule the earth. | ||
| The Iranian people are very smart folks. | ||
| And they founded what is modern India today. | ||
| Pakistan, they invented chess, much of language, astronomy, and a mixture of that with expansionist Islam is a good case of cancer. | ||
| Anyway, you slice it. | ||
| So we already had one guy last century saying he was an Aryan going to take over the planet. | ||
| And we do have that going on again. | ||
| I'm not saying I want to have war with Iran. | ||
| Same as Trump. | ||
| I'm not saying they're the devil. | ||
| I'm saying that the Hezbollah militias, All over the world are the most expansionist arm of Islam and are working with the globalist deep state against President Trump and America. | ||
| And so that's not being discussed in the news why this happened. | ||
| Well, but that's because this is convoluted nonsense. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know. | ||
| Is anything that he just said true? | ||
| Well, there is one little kernel of truth, and that is that the word Aryan does have roots in Iranian culture. | ||
| Okay, cool, because I'm pretty sure they didn't invent chess. | ||
| It exists as a name for one of the 16 nations mentioned in the Zoroastrian text, the Avesta. | ||
| It denotes the Central Asian group that was known for being good and lawful people. | ||
| It's not a racial or ethnic designation. | ||
| It's more of a cultural descriptor in the text. | ||
| The oldest known copy of that dates back to about 224 to 651 CE. | ||
| So this is a really ancient text. | ||
| This should absolutely not be confused with the racialized concept of Aryan that's associated with Hitler, because they're completely separate ideas. | ||
| The notion of an Aryan race didn't come into being until the mid-1800s, and it was largely used as a vehicle to argue for Caucasian supremacy. | ||
| Referencing back to references in the Avesta, that was one of the pillars of evidence that was used to bolster the Caucasian Aryan race ideas. | ||
| Or bullshit. | ||
| There we go. | ||
| Obviously, Hitler had a plan that involved Aryans and racial purity, but I'm not entirely sure there was ever such a thing as an official plan called the Aryan plan. | ||
| I can find no references, really, to the Aryan Plan and any official writings or serious places. | ||
| The only place I can find where that term comes up is some neo-Nazi blogs and a book called The Holy Book of Adolf Hitler. | ||
| For some context, that book was written in 1952 by James Lerat Battersby, who was a British fascist who believed that Hitler was Christ returned. | ||
| One wonders if that's one of the 50,000 books about World War II that Alex claims he's read. | ||
| Man, you gotta be ballsy if you think Hitler's the next messiah. | ||
| That's a bold book to write, if you will, Dan. | ||
| A lot of the stuff Alex brings up in that clip is just complete muddying of historical concepts and linguistics that I don't really have the patience to address. | ||
| Because there's a larger point worth mentioning. | ||
| Alex is literally saying that last century we had a guy who called himself an Aryan who wanted to rule the world and that it's happening again. | ||
| He says that he doesn't want war, but everything he's saying justifies war as being the only possible outcome. | ||
| These are the words of a warmonger who's also too much of a coward to be pro-war when he feels that's his position. | ||
| That's the sense that I get. | ||
| It's just... | ||
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If you're saying that they're... | |
| Like, that's just setting them up as the next Hitler. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You didn't even know that they were going to be the next Hitler yesterday, and today, all of a sudden, you're bringing out Zoroastrianism to prove that we need to bomb them. | ||
| It's a mess. | ||
| Good work, dude. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, Alex, every single time there's something major in the world, it's a false flag. | ||
| This one is probably not a false flag. | ||
| This one is absolutely not a false flag. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Crystal clear yet again. | ||
| This is not a false flag. | ||
| This is not a staged event. | ||
| But a white person did it. | ||
| Our sovereign territory was. | ||
| Our troops have been getting killed all over the Middle East and Africa by Shiite-trained groups. | ||
| Fuck you. | ||
| And so this is a very strong message from the president. | ||
| So again, that makes it seem pretty positive. | ||
| His feelings on this seem very positive. | ||
| It's a strong message from the president. | ||
| It's not a false flag. | ||
| Shiite militias have been killing her all over the... | ||
| It seems like he's justifying the act more than he is analyzing it in any meaningful way. | ||
| I'm really fucked up by this. | ||
| I really don't like the same propaganda push in 2003. | ||
| I'm just feeling that from so many sides. | ||
| It's just so creeping and insidious, and I hate it. | ||
| It is frustrating. | ||
| But if it makes you feel any better, you should take some comfort in knowing that Alex isn't taking a side. | ||
| That doesn't sound true. | ||
| It might feel very much like he is. | ||
| Well, if words have meaning, then yes, he is taking a side. | ||
| He's not taking a side. | ||
| So words don't have meaning. | ||
| He's just reviewing all the angles. | ||
| Really? | ||
| I am not going to come on this show and choose a side of I'm for this strike or I'm against this strike. | ||
| And I'm not doing that to be lukewarm and to not take a side. | ||
| I'm doing that because I want to look at this for the perspectives of the Iranian government and the individuals running our government and talk about the different players that are involved and what has brought us to this point. | ||
| Then, at the bottom of the hour, I am going to give you my personal view and what I think about this situation and where I think it's headed. | ||
| And what my discernment and spiritual gut level sight is on this. | ||
| So he's not going to take a side, but at the bottom of the hour, he's going to take a side. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I like it. | ||
| Here's what I'm hoping for. | ||
| I'm hoping for one-on-one combat. | ||
| Trump versus Khomeini. | ||
| We take it. | ||
| Everybody's taken care of, right? | ||
| Nah. | ||
| Winner take all. | ||
| Not gonna work. | ||
| Winner take all. | ||
| We become Iran. | ||
| If Khomeini beats up Trump, we become Iran. | ||
| Alex should love that because he thinks Trump is unbeatable. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| I got chastised for that because I mispronounced. | ||
| Yeah, I said Khomeini. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| But I... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think that he doesn't... | ||
| Need to say that I'm not going to get on the show and take a side because you've already taken a side. | ||
| It's implied. | ||
| All you can do is break. | ||
| That's all you can do. | ||
| You can either just do what you're going to do. | ||
| Whatever mealy-mouthed nonsense this is, is just a continuation of the side you're already on. | ||
| The only way you can say anything meaningful is be like, this is it. | ||
| I'm gone. | ||
| Fuck this. | ||
| And he's never going, I don't know, never, but he's certainly not doing it on this episode. | ||
| Sorry to ruin the surprise. | ||
| Even if you say you're not taking a side, you're still then giving tacit permission for them to do that. | ||
| Either you are against it, or you are passively for it, or actively for it. | ||
| Those are the three options. | ||
| So Alex begins his sort of analysis about the situation with Iran and in Iraq by talking about Syria. | ||
| But I want first to just pull back out of the emotion, myself included, and I want to analyze the facts here. | ||
| We know that there have been six different chemical attacks that have all been confirmed to be staged in the last... | ||
| Five years. | ||
| A good two years before Trump even got into office, they'd staged several. | ||
| And the ISIS and Al-Qaeda operatives would fire the chemical weapons and put out promo videos wanting to get the praise like rock stars. | ||
| But then the press would still blame the Syrians and the Iranians for it. | ||
| And we would come on air and say that is not the case. | ||
| That is a staged chemical attack. | ||
| And the UN has been forced to come out and say it. | ||
| And it's all been confirmed now. | ||
| So, when Alex is talking about chemical weapons attacks, he's not talking about Iran. | ||
| This is just about Syria. | ||
| Yeah, this is Assad. | ||
| Yeah, this is an endlessly complicated topic, and I would be a little disingenuous if I were to present myself as an expert on the topic, but I can tell you that I've read up a bit on the relevant literature surrounding this, and I think that the assertion that these attacks were faked is offensive. | ||
| Alex believes that the rebels in Syria attacked themselves with chemical weapons in order to sway world opinion against the Assad regime and prompt U.S. attacks on Assad. | ||
| This is not based on any evidence, really. | ||
| It's just kind of Alex's gut feeling and the gut feeling of some of his guests. | ||
| It's kind of the same thing as when Alex predicted that the globalists are going to pull off some false flags because that's what he would do. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| It's kind of how it feels. | ||
| And the real giveaway that Alex is talking shit here is that he says that the UN has had to admit that these chemical weapons attacks were staged. | ||
| That's a bald-faced lie. | ||
| The only sliver of truth to it is that Russia has consistently vetoed measures in the UN Security Council to form commissions to investigate the use of chemical weapons in Syria, which seems weird. | ||
| All Alex is doing is repeating Russian government talking points. | ||
| Going back to at least 2013, Russia was arguing that the chemical attacks were being staged to sway public opinion against Assad, which makes sense given that he's a major ally of theirs in the region. | ||
| All credible investigations done by groups like the Human Rights Council and the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons do not support Alex and Russia's conclusion. | ||
| And the UN has not had to come out and admit because Alex was so bold and reported the truth. | ||
| I'm pretty sure that would have been much bigger news. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That would have been a real big news day. | ||
| I think we would remember that 24-hour cycle. | ||
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| Assad, actually great dude. | ||
| Yeah, no, not happening. | ||
| Strange. | ||
| But that's the perception that Alex wants the audience to have. | ||
| And we'll get back to this a little bit later, because it comes back up. | ||
| And we'll discuss it in a tiny bit more detail. | ||
| But suffice it to say, I just find that stuff awful. | ||
| Yeah, when these guys talk, you can see how much damage is really possible when Alex starts talking about foreign policy. | ||
| Because, you know, when you... | ||
| Sure, he can fuck up our ability to get Medicare for all, and that's going to ruin a lot of people's lives. | ||
| But when he starts saying nonsense about foreign policy, this is how we get into a fucking war where hundreds of thousands of people die in violent conflict. | ||
| There are stakes to it. | ||
| He's part of that. | ||
| Thankfully, I think he's irrelevant enough that he probably isn't having any actual impact on decisions that are made. | ||
| But there is, you know, if he has a considerable audience, he's leading them as a block, as an electorate, or, you know, some sort of a voting block that enables. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| And facilitates these kinds of actions. | ||
| And so that's negative. | ||
| On no information, or on no factual information. | ||
| Well, he has feelings. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| And that's not good. | ||
| This show is opinion-based, except for everything is fact, and the UN is admitted. | ||
| Right. | ||
| No, but he feels like the UN admitted it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| So, Alex believes that the message Trump is sending, and this whole thing is about... | ||
| China is the real issue. | ||
| The Middle East isn't even an issue. | ||
| We don't even give a shit about them anymore. | ||
| Really? | ||
| That's his angle on it? | ||
| Yeah, there's a kernel of it. | ||
| Trump is really pragmatically saying we're not going to do this and the Middle East is not an issue. | ||
| We're already energy independent in the U.S. We need to pivot to deal with China. | ||
| They're the real threat. | ||
| And the globalists want to divert us and our military and our blood into that sand trap. | ||
| I know we've touched on this in the past, but Alex is parroting a disingenuous Trump talking point here that just is unacceptable to let stand. | ||
| He's trying to present the idea that Trump is above the fray because now the U.S. is energy independent, so we don't even need to worry about the Middle East, which is kind of a fucked up notion on its face, and it does seem to imply that our only interests would be that, which is, I find, grim. | ||
| Yeah, something that Trump himself has said. | ||
| But the reality here is that we're not energy independent per se. | ||
| Alex is confusing that with our trend towards becoming a net exporter of oil, which isn't the same thing. | ||
| According to foreign policy, we still imported approximately a million barrels of oil per day from Saudi Arabia in 2018. | ||
| The generally agreed upon definition of energy independence is that we would be producing more energy than we consume. | ||
| And during a couple months of last year, that was something that we achieved. | ||
| But this isn't a Trump thing, though. | ||
| It's been a long trend in the process with steady rises in energy production and relative stability in energy consumption going all the way back through Obama's entire presidency. | ||
| I don't believe that Alex is using the term energy independence in that context, though. | ||
| It feels more like he's saying that we don't import anything and we can just create all our energy ourselves, which is definitively false. | ||
| Yeah, it does sound like he's saying if... | ||
| If the United States were suddenly cut off from the entire world, we'd be fine. | ||
| That is the image that he's hoping to present, and that's just not true. | ||
| We export a whole lot of the energy that we produce, so in order to meet our consumption needs, we still bring in a ton of foreign energy products, without which we'd be completely fucked. | ||
| Well, that's why when you see the Strait of Hormuz taken down for five hours, that's $100 million and all that shit. | ||
| Everything is disrupted massively, quickly. | ||
| And even if we're a net exporter of oil, it doesn't mean that we're immune to fluctuations in oil price in the global market. | ||
| So all this stuff is interconnected in ways that Alex is just sort of poo-pooing, and it's not a good perspective. | ||
| I mean, again, that comes back to this type of shit where it's like, if you are incapable of understanding the nuance, just like, you know, neither you nor I are going to claim to have good policy-making ideas or experience for foreign policy in countries that we have no history with. | ||
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| But somehow this dude will fucking say he knows what's going on. | ||
| Because he thinks it's just simple. | ||
| It's just simple. | ||
| Like, oh, well, you hit him there, and then that's done. | ||
| He's cracked this code. | ||
| That he can't explain, unless he had 20 pages of paper, and then he could give you a brief sketch of it. | ||
| But he knows it all. | ||
| It's all in his head. | ||
| He knows the plan, and that's why the inputs create such easy outputs. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| It's all very simple in his head, but there's just so much that he's just willfully ignoring or unaware of. | ||
| It's hard to tell, but whatever it is, it's stupid. | ||
| Anyway, we're only at this position we're in right now with Iran because these... | ||
| Double-dealing globalists. | ||
| I really don't feel like that's true. | ||
| I think the people who got us here were very straightforward and direct in their desire to start a war. | ||
| Double-dealing globalists. | ||
| Oh, I didn't think so. | ||
| And so why have we gotten to this point? | ||
| Because the deep state, the permanent bureaucracy, the CFR, the Bilderberg globalist leftist arm of it that works closely with the neocons. | ||
| Everyone but the guy who ordered it. | ||
| Double-dealing with Iran. | ||
| Barack Obama. | ||
| Hillary Clinton, Fiona Hill, the General McMaster types, they have been working publicly in shadow diplomacy to derail everything that Trump's trying to do to bring real detente and a stalemate and an armistice and a ceasefire in Africa and the Middle East and end the globalist strategy of the Arab Spring, of breaking Europe's borders, of flooding Turkey, and of destabilization. | ||
| Factions like the quote Bilderberg globalist leftist arm of the CFR. | ||
| Sure. | ||
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They're working for with Iran for destabilization. | |
| But what is he saying? | ||
| What the fuck other than word salad is Bilderberg globalist leftist arm of the CFR who happens to work with neocons? | ||
| It's not word salad. | ||
| It's a very, very specific group of people. | ||
| So dumb. | ||
| I think maybe three or four people fit that bill, right? | ||
| When you get that many qualifiers into it. | ||
| No, because they're all inclusive. | ||
| It's everybody. | ||
| It can't be everybody. | ||
| Everybody. | ||
| Well, then why do you need that many modifiers? | ||
| Just say globalist left. | ||
| Even beyond... | ||
| Beyond that concern, what is Alex talking about? | ||
| What are Obama, Hillary, Fiona Hill, and the General McMaster types doing? | ||
| Alex is saying they're working publicly in shadow diplomacy, but what does that mean? | ||
| It can mean whatever you need it to mean, dear listener. | ||
| Whatever you think it is. | ||
| Hey, you remember how Kerry worked on the Iran nuclear deal? | ||
| That's what he's talking about. | ||
| That's true. | ||
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| It's all just him throwing in a bunch of words to give you the idea that it's anybody's fault but Trump. | ||
| It is not his fault. | ||
| Nothing is his fault. | ||
| That's a big piece of it, but I think the larger thing is that vagueness is a weapon for someone like Alex. | ||
| He can just rattle off a list of his enemies' names, make some meaninglessly vague accusations about things they're doing that match whatever the hot-button topic of the day is, then he can move along, acting like he knows everything and he's said something, but he hasn't said shit. | ||
| This doesn't mean anything. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Anyway, I wish you'd be more specific. | ||
| I feel like it doesn't mean anything. | ||
| Doesn't mean anything. | ||
| It's an opinion. | ||
| So the thing is that what Trump is doing is that he's letting these governments, like North Korea. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| North Korea. | ||
| Putting them on blast. | ||
| He's letting them know that this is the carrot or the stick. | ||
| You get to choose. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And Trump is letting Iran know, just like the situation. | ||
| With North Korea, that carrot or the stick, if you stop all this, the sanctions will go away and we'll work with you. | ||
| If you keep escalating and working with the deep state, the international globalist system through the CHICOMs to embarrass America and to sabotage us and to bankrupt our military and our country, we're going to confront you when you're militarily expanding. | ||
| And when you proportionately start attacking us, we proportionately attack you. | ||
| It's going to escalate until we use bunker buster bombs to kill the mullahs in Tehran. | ||
| And that's something these individuals understand and get. | ||
| This is war-enabling nonsense. | ||
| Like, for one thing, Alex is saying that these countries are working with his globalist enemies, so Trump is putting sanctions on them, which will go away if they play ball. | ||
| And if not, Trump's going to drop a big bomb on them. | ||
| That seems like a pretty far cry from the sort of anti-interventionist posturing Alex used to engage in. | ||
| Shit, it's a far cry from his constant, reasonably fair attacks on the United States government over the sanctions that were applied to Iraq that killed so many civilians. | ||
| Alex brings that up all the fucking time. | ||
| This seems very not in line with that. | ||
| As for North Korea, I don't see how that's a good analog here. | ||
| If you look at the real world, Trump's meetings with Kim Jong-un have not really done anything. | ||
| There's no positive outcome in it for the United States and only positives for North Korea. | ||
| Just the other day, on January 1st, NPR reported on a speech carried by the Korean Central News Agency, where Kim Jong-un had announced that he, quote, no longer feels bound by a self-imposed moratorium on nuclear and long-range missile testing. | ||
| The story goes on to say, quote, KCNA quoted Kim as saying there was no reason to remain committed to his moratorium because the US had not reciprocated, but had continued to hold joint military drills with South Korea and send advanced weapons to the South. | ||
| In situations like this, what Trump is doing is not saying, hey, it's the carrot or the stick. | ||
| What he's doing is providing a pretext which rogue actors can use to justify horrible shit. | ||
| Trump pulled out of the Iran nuclear deal unilaterally and imposed harsh sanctions on them when, according to all experts on the matter, Iran was complying with the deal. | ||
| Trump made some kind of a deal with Kim Jong-un, which Un feels has not been honored. | ||
| Both of these are examples of really shitty foreign relations, which make the possibility of an outbreak of hostilities more likely than they were before. | ||
| Trump isn't trying to create peace. | ||
| He's fucking with people. | ||
| Then the civilians are the ones who are going to pay the price, ultimately. | ||
| This is ghoulish stuff, and for Alex to cheerlead this sort of bullshit is pretty upsetting. | ||
| It's pretty bad. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, it's kind of mind-boggling. | ||
| It really is. | ||
| And even that thought process of like... | ||
| Oh, well, we did something stupid, so they're going to respond proportionally, and we can respond proportionally to that, and that's just dumb. | ||
| I mean, it's just really, really dumb. | ||
| We have all of human history to point out how dumb that is. | ||
| We can't boil down global conflict into a Hatfields versus the McCoys situation, where you take one, I take one, and we just do this forever and ever. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's fucking incredible. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it's not right. | ||
| No, no, it's not right. | ||
| It's not right. | ||
| Trump just fucking presses a button and a dude dies and that means that because Trump is a fucking lunatic, now people who have nothing to do with that shit are going to die. | ||
| Or at least are far more likely. | ||
| The situation we find ourselves in is one of escalation as opposed to closer to progress. | ||
| And there's no way that you can negotiate anything with Trump now. | ||
| It doesn't seem like it. | ||
| If you're Iran, there's no way to negotiate peace. | ||
| Fuck the Iran part. | ||
| No, yeah, yeah, exactly. | ||
| You're anybody. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You're anybody. | ||
| Why would you? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, you can't trust anyone. | ||
| Okay, we've negotiated this. | ||
| Well, anything that he's ever negotiated, he's just reneged on. | ||
| So you can only even de-escalate this war after Trump is gone. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| And even then, you'd probably be a little bit wary, because who's the next president? | ||
| Is he going to just decide to tear up this agreement, too? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's fucked up. | ||
| The sort of optics of it are really troubling. | ||
| But I guess that's kind of the end result of us having such a de-emphasis on diplomacy, particularly the last few years. | ||
| It's just a mess. | ||
| It is well and truly fucked up, yeah. | ||
| But see, the thing is, the globalists, right? | ||
| They're the ones who are doing all this stuff. | ||
| I really feel like it's still just Trump and his guys. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| No, but I really do. | ||
| Okay, never mind. | ||
| So the globalists wanted to embarrass Trump with the situation at the embassy in Iraq. | ||
| That was their plan. | ||
| But now, Trump has gone and done this. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Which ruined the globalists' plans or blocked it somehow. | ||
| Now, we're going to listen to this clip. | ||
| I would posit that the way Alex is framing this is very much a positive thing. | ||
| If his blood enemies are the globalists, and they were trying to embarrass his hero, and his hero stopped their plans to embarrass him through this assassination, it must be a good thing. | ||
| They want to use Iran to embarrass Trump, just like Jimmy Carter was in 1979, and Trump has acted decisively so far to block that, and for now is winning the political war. | ||
| But what will happen in the next phase? | ||
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| Caught up by the break there. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| There's a lot of commercials about tax settlement. | ||
| One syllable away from cutting to break on time, and it's just... | ||
| Ghastly. | ||
| I see that Alex is pretty regularly giving lip service to the idea of, like, we don't know what comes next. | ||
| That kind of thing. | ||
| We don't know how they're going to respond. | ||
| It's a dangerous possibility. | ||
| But at the same time, everything that he's putting this... | ||
| The language surrounding it is, Trump made a big political win. | ||
| It's a bold move. | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| The surrounding adjectives that he uses are very positive. | ||
| It's a soft pressure campaign to influence people into thinking that regardless of whether or not they want war with Iran, Trump is right. | ||
| Trump is right to do what he did. | ||
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| And you know what? | ||
| It's defensive in a certain sense. | ||
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| Because the Ayatollah, he taunted Trump. | ||
| And what did the Ayatollah say to Trump? | ||
| He taunted Trump before the Soleimani strike said, you can do nothing. | ||
| You can't do anything. | ||
| Now, why would he say that? | ||
| Again, think about the treason of people that claim they're American citizens, even though they're globalists, of John Kerry and Barack Obama, who travel the world from Korea to Japan to China to Iran to Israel to Germany to the UK to Canada Argentina, Brazil, saying, don't listen to Trump. | ||
| He's going to be gone soon. | ||
| He's a loser. | ||
| He's an idiot. | ||
| In fact, if you embarrass him by sinking some ships in the Strait of Hormuz or in the Persian Gulf, that'll help remove him back at home, and he's not going to get the backing. | ||
| So John Kerry and Obama are apparently not U.S. citizens because they're globalists who run all over the world like little Carmen Sandiego's whispering into world leaders' ears that they should embarrass Trump. | ||
| Are you listening to this childish horse shit? | ||
| I'm boggled. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is bananas. | ||
| Here again, Alex is using vagueness as a weapon. | ||
| Okay, so you're asserting that Kerry and Obama told these foreign heads of state to sink ships in the streets of Hormuz. | ||
| Prove it. | ||
| That's a serious accusation that Alex can in no way substantiate past saying, that's how I feel. | ||
| I feel that that's the case. | ||
| If you read the tea leaves, get the fuck out of here. | ||
| Back that statement up or retract that shit. | ||
| There's really, I don't know if we've heard a good present day episode where I don't think we have at least middling grounds for a defamation lawsuit. | ||
| And they're public figures. | ||
| There's a part of our foreign relations community that almost certainly has been putting out a vibe of like, Trump's going to be gone eventually. | ||
| But that's probably because he's threatening long-standing alliances and relationships between countries. | ||
| People who've dedicated their lives to international relations work aren't going to see Trump get elected, watch him rant about how our closest allies aren't paying enough into NATO, and just shrug and be like, well, I guess he's the boss now. | ||
| This is what we do. | ||
| Yeah, no kidding. | ||
| It's against their lives' work. | ||
| Of course they would be trying to reassure people that they have long-standing relations with. | ||
| They're like, hey, please, look, I know, whatever. | ||
| But the accusation that any of them are going to go around and tell countries to commit provocative actions like sinking ships, that really needs to be substantiated. | ||
| And Alex is never going to do that because he's making this shit up. | ||
| Look, the issue is, too, that these Iranian mullahs, they're duplicitous. | ||
| And in talking about that, Alex drops in a phrase. | ||
| It's interesting. | ||
| I mean, when you think about the Iranian mullahs and triple, quadruple games of chess, it's not even strategic. | ||
| It's mental illness. | ||
| Straight shooting is the most sophisticated thing in the universe. | ||
| Innocence is the most sophisticated thing. | ||
| It's so simple, it's complex. | ||
| These guys don't get it. | ||
| They don't get the Christian or Anglo-Saxon Legos or Nexus or Genesis. | ||
| Very sad. | ||
| It's very smart, folks. | ||
| Just to point this out, I've never heard Alex talk about logos before, and you can tell that he's new to the concept because he pronounced it Legos. | ||
| That's E. Michael Jones shit. | ||
| Alex is drifting in that territory. | ||
| He's drifting in that direction. | ||
| The idea that he's talking about these Iranian mullahs not having Anglo-Saxon Legos, that's not good. | ||
| That's a pretty bad sign. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| What is this? | ||
| What is he, Zen now? | ||
| I guess. | ||
| The most complex thing is the simplicity. | ||
| Be like water. | ||
| Say words or stop. | ||
| Don't even... | ||
| Tell me about straight shooting when you're just lying to my face all the time! | ||
| That's infuriating! | ||
| And later he's going to talk about Trump being engaged in this 4D chess stuff where it's like he makes a move but it's really about something else. | ||
| That's not straight shooting, asshole! | ||
| Yes, but straight shooting is the best way to trick people into thinking that you're straight shooting. | ||
| Everything is like fucking convoluted and nonsensical and he's accusing... | ||
| Obama and Kerry and the general McMaster types of going around and telling Iran to sink ships and stuff like that. | ||
| So it makes it more funny when he says this about why people don't want him on air. | ||
| Please remember how we reach new people. | ||
| is when you share the links at infowars.com forward slash show, banned.video, and the Alex Jones section and more. | ||
| That's how we reach new people. | ||
| Remember, they're trying to ban this show because we're really covering real facts, and the establishment doesn't want you thinking about how the world really works, who the different factions are. | ||
| They just want you to mindlessly take a side. | ||
| Well, we do have a side, and it's called the truth. | ||
| That we mindlessly took. | ||
| I'd like to remind you that under oath, when asked about his show, he said that it's mostly opinion, and he's just talking about his feelings. | ||
| But no, they want me off air because this is the truth. | ||
| I'm telling you how the world really works. | ||
| Fuck out of here. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, Alex comes back from break, and he's talking about how Iran is muscling through the Middle East, and how eventually then it's going to be the West, essentially saying that this is a world domination plan. | ||
| When you're using rhetoric like this, and this is the way you're framing things, it really is a justification for a war. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I don't think that that is an unfair way to characterize what's behind what he's saying. | ||
| Iran is muscling its way through the Middle East. | ||
| It believes it can topple the other Islamic regimes. | ||
| And if that happens, you'll have an organized Islamic force even more deadly with 3 billion Muslims ready to take over what's left of the rotting West. | ||
| So long-term, taking Iran out of the control of the Islamicists that captured the secular country and 70-plus percent in internal polls hate it. | ||
| And if we could take that away from the radical Islamicists, that'd be a big victory for humanity, wouldn't it? | ||
| Wow. | ||
| So, yeah, I mean, like, the unpopularity of the regime in Iran is not really a justification for this at all. | ||
| Nah. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't feel like this argument is very good. | ||
| Well, all I can tell you is that every other time that the United States has fucked around with regime change in Iran, it has worked out perfectly. | ||
| And every time that we've prefaced things with, like, you know, hey, the people would really love it if we did... | ||
| We're lying. | ||
| It's not really worked out that way. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| If you watch those videos of people screaming death to America and you don't at least go, well, I understand how we got here, then you're a disingenuous liar. | ||
| That's the only way. | ||
| So one of the things I think was probably the... | ||
| One of the hardest hurdles that Alex needs to clear is the fact that Trump did this without informing Congress. | ||
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Right. | |
| Like, that's pretty problematic for Alex's beliefs about the war powers that the president should or should not have. | ||
| Right. | ||
| He likes the Constitution, right? | ||
| Loves it. | ||
| Loves it. | ||
| Can't get enough. | ||
| Are we sure? | ||
| Can't get enough. | ||
| Are we sure about that? | ||
| He bathes in the Constitution. | ||
| I don't think that's true either. | ||
| It's not. | ||
| But it turns out that this secrecy was totally fine, and Alex will tell you why. | ||
| He's not telling. | ||
| Anybody. | ||
| What's going on? | ||
| He's fired the moles in the National Security Council. | ||
| He's not telling Pelosi and the House and Senate Intelligence Committee what he's doing now. | ||
| And you know why? | ||
| Because they're globalists, a lot of them, and they're leaking the information. | ||
| Oh, fun. | ||
| I didn't know that that was all you needed. | ||
| That's all the excuse you needed to subvert the Constitution. | ||
| That's all you needed. | ||
| They're all moles. | ||
| I've just decided they're all globalists. | ||
| They're all moles. | ||
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Cool. | |
| I think what we should do is target political enemies, call them traitors, and remove them from power. | ||
| That's how you get a more perfect democracy, Dan. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I guess that all of Alex's protestations about former... | ||
| Military actions that were taken without the approval of Congress could all just be, you know, it's no big deal. | ||
| Those were globalists. | ||
| Yeah, we just say that, hey, they would have told Congress, but they're globalists. | ||
| Cool. | ||
| It's really kind of funny to me that as Brexit is going on, it's like Boris Johnson is trying to sell England into a United States colony, and at the same time, the United States has a bunch of people trying to turn the president into a kink. | ||
| So it's a twist of events, I find. | ||
| That's weird. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So Alex gets down to business, and he keeps calling the decision that Trump made bold. | ||
| And I think that that's something worth highlighting. | ||
| And so it's very bold to not just sink some Iranian patrol boat or hit some militia with some more fighter jets. | ||
| That's what Bill Clinton did when he was very unpopular in an impeachment. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| You know, they're running the headlines everywhere, which I think we should look at. | ||
| Bring up that parallel. | ||
| Those headlines, one of them is on DrudgeReport.com, of Bill Clinton impeachs, bombs Iraq. | ||
| Impeachment vote in-house delayed as Clinton launches Iraq airstrike. | ||
| Siding military need to move swiftly. | ||
| But you see, nothing had actually happened in Iraq when he did that, or when he bombed an aspirin factory in Sudan before that as a distraction. | ||
| And that was confirmed. | ||
| This is real. | ||
| We've been attacked. | ||
| The embassy was attacked because they've been probing and we've been putting up with it. | ||
| And so instead of bombing an Aspen factory, Trump boldly killed the leader of the organization that has sleeper cells inside the United States and inside Europe. | ||
| And now that's the gamble. | ||
| They may really strike, even though that'll blow up in their face. | ||
| And the U.S. will retaliate even bigger, and this could escalate into a wider regional war. | ||
| They're definitely going to try to block the Strait of Hormuz and drive up oil prices. | ||
| That's already starting to happen. | ||
| And so this is a really bad decision. | ||
| But it's one of the best decisions you could make out of a list of even worse decisions. | ||
| So just for fun, Steve Pachanek, when he's on later, Alex brings up the idea of sleeper cells, and Steve's like, that's not a big deal. | ||
| So that might be a little bit of a... | ||
| Disagreement on the show. | ||
| That'll happen. | ||
| So, largely, I would agree with Alex that this was a bad decision, but I'm going to take issue with the characterization that it was the best on a list of worst choices. | ||
| Considering there was an actual list, according to the New York Times, and it was supposedly the worst on that list, and almost comically the worst on that list. | ||
| It would be fucked up if we did this. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| That's how it's on the list. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Sure. | ||
| The U.S. Embassy was targeted, and that's not good. | ||
| And you'd think that you'd need to do something to respond to that. | ||
| But assassinating an Iranian government official, I don't even think that should be on the list of possible choices, particularly considering that that standoff at the embassy had already ended by the time Trump ordered the drone strikes. | ||
| According to USA Today, quote, Militia leaders with the Popular Mobilization Forces ultimately ordered supporters to retreat, declaring the demonstration a win in the battle to expel U.S. troops from Iraq. | ||
| There was no immediate threat. | ||
| There was a situation to deal with. | ||
| So targeted assassination is probably not appropriate. | ||
| I'm not certain I know specifically what a good decision would have been, but that's only because I would never be in this situation we find ourselves in to begin with. | ||
| None of this would probably be happening if Trump hadn't arbitrarily exited the Iran nuclear deal and then applied severe sanctions, which kind of destroys the framework that was building for our two countries to have a stronger understanding and hopefully some sort of progress between the two. | ||
| After that point, yeah, I guess all options are bad. | ||
| But still, this was not the best of a list of bad choices. | ||
| I just feel like Alex is trying to rationalize the possibility of an upcoming war. | ||
| That's really all I feel. | ||
| He's setting the groundwork so he can be like... | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| It's the final war! | ||
| It's the holy war! | ||
| We're taking it! | ||
| Jesus is coming back! | ||
| And create at least some sort of a pretense that he didn't want it to come to this. | ||
| That's the way it feels. | ||
| I don't know what would be the best reaction, but I know if I were somebody who went on air every day and screamed about Jesus and God for several hours, I would at least look into what Jesus would feel about... | ||
| The war. | ||
| Drones don't come up in the Bible. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| I guess Jesus would be fine with it. | ||
| Now, that said, Alex has been very against drone stuff in the past. | ||
| He took, and probably fairly rightly, took Obama to task about the drone programs. | ||
| Alex doesn't seem to be too concerned with that now, and now he calls this peace through strength. | ||
| Let's roll some of the footage of the strike from the... | ||
| Reaper drones. | ||
| Robot did the killing. | ||
| And then we'll show you some of the footage from the ground as well. | ||
| But those guys thought they were untouchable. | ||
| They thought they were working with the deep state. | ||
| They thought Trump was weak. | ||
| Well, now they think different. | ||
| So I think Trump, who's shown real restraint when the deep state's trying to set him up with this Iran conflict, let them know, hey, we're serious. | ||
| And so you better understand that when you escalate, it's going to get a lot more serious from there on. | ||
| And I think that's peace through strength. | ||
| It's a gamble. | ||
| Things could go desperately wrong. | ||
| I think we're going to find out very, very soon how they're going to respond. | ||
| They've got to respond and look strong. | ||
| I don't care about any of that stuff. | ||
| It's nonsense. | ||
| Oh, the robot did the killing. | ||
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Yep. | |
| Great. | ||
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Yep. | |
| So Alex already has brought up the parallel to Clinton when he was under impeachment bombing some stuff. | ||
| And apparently AOC, Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez, has come out and said that Trump is wagging the dog. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And Alex takes great issue with her comments. | ||
| Oh, by the way, she's saying that Trump's doing this to wag the dog. | ||
| Clinton was super unpopular. | ||
| Not true. | ||
| Trump's super popular. | ||
| I've been saying that for years. | ||
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Not true. | |
| Now even their own internal poll show, he's just insanely popular. | ||
| Every Democrat I know. | ||
| Don't say it. | ||
| Stop it. | ||
| IQ above room temperature supports Trump now because the Democrats are so dangerous. | ||
| There has been a systemic break with the Democrats. | ||
| Everyone knows they work for the globalists and hate America. | ||
| I don't know what kind of self-selecting Democrats hang out with Alex. | ||
| I can't imagine there being any. | ||
| But if you were, you'd probably just be like, yeah, Trump's great. | ||
| You don't want to fight. | ||
| Yeah, there's no way to... | ||
| I'm coming around! | ||
| There's no conversation to have there. | ||
| And if you still want to maintain a friendship with, for instance, my family, I'm just like, dogs are fun! | ||
| You guys have kids! | ||
| Great! | ||
| Say nothing else. | ||
| I don't know if you know this, Jordan, but Gallup keeps historical data of presidential approval ratings week by week for pretty much all modern presidents that you can easily look up, which I decided to do. | ||
| Clearly, if I recall correctly, in 1998, Bill Clinton had a... | ||
| Negative 5% approval rating. | ||
| So look. | ||
| More people dead did not approve of him, right? | ||
| Alex is going on about how Trump isn't wagging the dog because he's super popular, whereas Bill Clinton was because he was super unpopular when he went out bombing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When Froggy went out of courting. | ||
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Ugh. | |
| When Clinton went out of bombing. | ||
| So, right now, Trump has a 42.5% approval rating with a 53% disapproval rating, according to the aggregate compiled by 538. | ||
| According to RealClearPolitics, they have their listing of recent polls. | ||
| Literally, none of them have Trump with a net positive approval number. | ||
| The average of their polls have Trump at a negative 7. And the only glimmer of hope is a recent Rasmussen poll at the end of 2019 that put Trump at even numbers 50-50. | ||
| And it should be pointed out that this was not a poll of registered voters, just people who said they were likely to vote. | ||
| And it's a Rasmussen poll, so you've got a plus three bias on that a little bit. | ||
| There's a slight conservative trend there. | ||
| Not terribly. | ||
| So Politico has Trump at negative 15. NBC Wall Street Journal has him at negative 10. The Economist at negative 9. His numbers are not good. | ||
| These approval ratings are decidedly underwater, and with the level of dislike Trump has, it's pretty high, so the odds of him turning things around aren't good. | ||
| There's just not many people he could sway at this point. | ||
| Yeah, and didn't Bill get up to like 70 at one point? | ||
| That dude was wildly popular for a while. | ||
| So the movie Wag the Dog was released very shortly before Clinton launched Operation Infinite Reach, which involved bombings in Afghanistan and Sudan. | ||
| This operation began on August 20th, 1998, at which point Clinton's approval rating was 65% approval and 30% disapproval. | ||
| By December 1998, Clinton was admitted to his impeachment trial. | ||
| In that setting, he started bombing Iraq, which again made people think of the movie. | ||
| That bombing campaign started on December 16th, 1998, at which point Clinton's approval rating was 63% approval and 33% disapproval. | ||
| After that bombing campaign, his numbers jumped to 73% approval, but they quickly came back to the high to mid-60s almost immediately. | ||
| After January 1996, Clinton never had an approval rating lower than 50%. | ||
| At no point during his dog-wagging phase was Clinton's approval rating anywhere near as bad as Trump's is right now. | ||
| Alex is either in complete denial or he's gaslighting his audience into thinking his hero is actually beloved. | ||
| Yeah, there's no other way to... | ||
| Whatever the case, this isn't reality. | ||
| This is just his feelings. | ||
| That's not even false. | ||
| That's upside-down reality. | ||
| That's the complete inversion of reality. | ||
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Yep. | |
| Absolutely. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, we get more talk of how bold this was from Trump here, and then after this, Alex starts taking calls, and I think this is where the show starts to get a little bit like, oh no. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Oh no. | ||
| Alright. | ||
| So here's our last sort of normal period of the show, where Alex is pretending to be covering the Iran situation, but not really doing much of anything. | ||
| Well, President Trump did something very bold yesterday. | ||
| Instead of blowing up some Shiite militia in response to their attack on the U.S. Embassy, he killed Soleimani, who's basically the leader of the Islamic Republic of Iran. | ||
| They say he's the number two guy, but he ran the show. | ||
| I know this song now, guys. | ||
| So now Alex is escalating this to he is the head of Iran. | ||
| So, like, this makes it even more of a severe act. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| We assassinated the leader of a sovereign nation, and that's a bold move, Dan. | ||
| That shouldn't be something that Alex says. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| That's fine. | ||
| It'd just be like if we assassinated Xi Jinping. | ||
| That'd be fine, Dan. | ||
| Alex might be fine with that. | ||
| I actually think he would be fine with that. | ||
| Okay, fine. | ||
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Let's go with fucking Angela Merkel. | |
| I think he'd be fine with that, too. | ||
| He does not like her. | ||
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Damn it! | |
| Damn it! | ||
| It's a very serious thing, even in reality. | ||
| And the way Alex is framing it escalates things even further. | ||
| And he's normalizing and rationalizing that, which is pretty scary. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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What is too far? | |
| Nothing. | ||
| So, Alex goes to the phones. | ||
| And this first caller that he takes is a fan. | ||
| And he feels like Alex has betrayed him a little bit. | ||
| I hope so. | ||
| Thanks for calling. | ||
| What's on your mind? | ||
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Bye. | |
| I'm just really worried about the direction we're headed right now. | ||
| Looks like we've drifted a long way since Ron Paul. | ||
| If I could just start off real quick, just so you know that my wife says I'm your biggest fan. | ||
| Well, I'm a big fan of you folks keeping us on your Defiance of the Globalist, so God bless you, brother. | ||
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I've spent thousands on your store. | |
| I could probably give you the best product push you've ever had. | ||
| Well, that will give us the product push. | ||
| I haven't done one yet this hour, and we're barely keeping it the size we are, so we need folks to buy the products. | ||
| They're great products. | ||
| Which products do you like best? | ||
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I think I have almost every one of your products, but I can't do a push for your products right now. | |
| I can't. | ||
| I understand. | ||
| I thought you were just segwaying. | ||
| If you'd like to, go ahead. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| What's your take on... | ||
| You said drone strikes, Obama, sleeper cells, due process. | ||
| So real quick, before we get to his answer, that moment is heartbreaking. | ||
| I can't push your products right now. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I've been your biggest fan. | ||
| I've spent thousands of dollars at your store. | ||
| My wife says I'm your biggest fan. | ||
| All this, like... | ||
| And Alex is like, oh, this is going to be... | ||
| He doesn't even recognize the... | ||
| He doesn't know the meaning of that. | ||
| No. | ||
| He's like, hey, you want to do a plug? | ||
| Let's do it. | ||
| Alex, now's not the time. | ||
| You're not understanding me, Alex. | ||
| I'm trying to tell you... | ||
| Alex should recognize this. | ||
| He opened the call by saying we've drifted a long way from the Ron Paul days. | ||
| Alex should be keenly aware that this caller is not calling to compliment him. | ||
| But he doesn't recognize. | ||
| And here's what the caller has to say. | ||
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I just feel like we've drifted a long way from pulling out and becoming fiscally responsible. | |
| No, I understand, but they've got us caught, sir. | ||
| Here's the deal. | ||
| I don't want this war. | ||
| I don't like what happened yesterday, okay? | ||
| It doesn't make me get excited in a way of feeling tough and powerful. | ||
| But at the same time, you understand that the globalists are working with Iran. | ||
| At a certain level to try to make Trump look stupid. | ||
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And they can only make him look stupid by coercing him into a war. | |
| That's the best way to make him. | ||
| And our entire party has become very different from where we were when we were supporting Ron Paul. | ||
| And that is the way it is. | ||
| So I think that this caller does something really interesting, which is a rebuttal within Alex's framework. | ||
| Because even if you do believe that the globalists are trying to manipulate this shit, the answer within the framework is, well, the only way that that is successful is if Trump goes to war. | ||
| So don't support this shit. | ||
| Even within Alex's constructed world of intrigue and conspiracy, still he's doing the wrong thing. | ||
| I think this caller, I mean, he's wrong about stuff, and I feel bad he spent all that money at the store, but I think his point that we've come a long way from Ron Paul is accurate, and that Alex's behavior is a contradiction of so much of what you would expect his brand to be if you've been a fan of his for a long time. | ||
| And it would be completely different if Alex one day had gotten on air and been like, look, I know we've been one thing for a really long time, but I realize that's not it. | ||
| That's, like, what I was saying along, like, if he invalidated a large portion of his past intentionally, to be like, I have recognized that the true path is through antagonizing the Muslim world. | ||
| If he had a Saul of Tarsus moment, if you will. | ||
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Exactly. | |
| You know, like, if he had something like that, then it would make it a lot more understandable for the fans, because they could then, like, assess, do I want to come along for this, or do I want to say, hey... | ||
| This isn't for me anymore. | ||
| And Alex isn't allowing his audience that opportunity. | ||
| And I think that that's probably not good. | ||
| Yeah, what he just said there is almost abuse. | ||
| Like that, like, hey, no, no, no, I understand. | ||
| Because then he recognized, oh no, I'm getting attacked from my own folk here for my massive failings. | ||
| And he's like, no, no, no, I don't want a war either, but we have to have a war. | ||
| Because the globalists. | ||
| Nobody, you've never heard that before? | ||
| You've never heard anybody say that they don't want a war and we have to have one. | ||
| They always say they want a war, right? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And this isn't the only caller that expresses some pretty good disapproval. | ||
| I mean, today, or that Friday, has got to be, like, listening to that has to be a massive betrayal of everything that they believe. | ||
| Among other betrayals. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I think it's getting to a point. | ||
| I'm only guessing here. | ||
| Just imagining what it would be like to be one of his listeners. | ||
| If you are somebody who has a modicum of awareness and thinks a bit, it would be very difficult to experience this constant dissonance between what this was supposed to be and what Alex is doing. | ||
| And I think it would be really difficult to not feel like if Alex isn't going to say enough. | ||
| At some point. | ||
| When do I? | ||
| What is the point at which I realize that this is off the rails? | ||
| And if I say enough to Alex, do I say enough to Trump? | ||
| Do I say enough to everything? | ||
| What am I saying enough to when I say enough to Alex? | ||
| It's an interesting situation that I would imagine a number of his listeners are in. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It would be just guessing to say it's a lot of them. | ||
| But at least based on the calls on this episode. | ||
| It seems like there is at least some of that sentiment that's getting through on air. | ||
| I think it's pretty interesting. | ||
| Anytime I try and put myself in that mindset, regardless of the beliefs or opinions or anything with no context there, it just has to be an identity crisis. | ||
| That's the only way that I can empathize with an Alex Jones listener. | ||
| Imagine if all of a sudden Bernie Sanders is like, actually, this war is fucking great. | ||
| That's an identity crisis there. | ||
| Who the fuck is this guy? | ||
| Or something even more sort of slippery, like what Alex is doing. | ||
| This war isn't great, but we have to do it. | ||
| It could be even more strange. | ||
| Who are you, man? | ||
| I've heard those words before from the mouths of people you said were evil. | ||
| So Alex takes another call, and this guy believes that we owe Iran Overthrowing their government because of the Shah or something? | ||
| Because of the other times we've overthrown their government? | ||
| We did bad the last time. | ||
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Right. | |
| So we need to make up for it this time by getting rid of the Ayatollah. | ||
| As everybody knows, repeating history is a brilliant idea. | ||
| It certainly is. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Just as they got rid of the Shah, I think U.S. owes the Iranian people basically a payback to the Ayatollahs because they brought him in. | |
| And I think U.S. needs to help the Iranian people. | ||
| Just empower them. | ||
| Like, harm them. | ||
| Well, that's why we're trying to support the restart movement. | ||
| What do you think about that group? | ||
| So, this caller claims to be the child of a former Iranian counterintelligence couple. | ||
| Like, his parents were counterintelligence in the Iranian regime. | ||
| And they were driven out of the country when the Ayatollah came to power. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I have no idea if that's true or not. | ||
| This is just a random person calling into a very dumb radio show. | ||
| So, take that claim however you feel like taking it. | ||
| Whatever the reality is, I'm certain that Alex would have argued against his parents immigrating to the United States if he'd had a chance to back then. | ||
| The only reason I cut this clip is because Alex, at the end, there is voicing support for something I've not heard him express support for, which is the Restart Iran movement. | ||
| Restart Iran was started by Saeed Mohammed Hosseini, a former game show host who wants to restart the country. | ||
| According to a 2018 piece in Bloomberg, he hasn't been to Iran since 2011, and quote, today he lives in America and urges Iranians to burn mosques and deface police stations. | ||
| Hmm. | ||
| Hosseini began spreading... | ||
| Like our mosques? | ||
| No, in Iran. | ||
| Okay, I gotcha. | ||
| Hosseini began spreading his message on Telegram. | ||
| Ultimately having his account removed after encouraging people to throw rocks through government buildings and film it to post with his hashtag, which Telegram considered a, quote, vandalism contest. | ||
| That just got him a warning, though, after which point he raised the stakes and told his followers to throw Molotov cocktails into mosques. | ||
| That might be too far. | ||
| All in all, he seems like a pretty fucked up dude. | ||
| That sounds like it. | ||
| I don't particularly want to litigate the properness of violent protest in the face of an oppressive regime, since I accept there are good arguments on both sides of that discussion. | ||
| However, I do think that someone like Husseini trying to encourage that kind of behavior while living in the United States and not having been to Iran in about a decade is something that I find to not be a good model for positive social progress. | ||
| Probably not. | ||
| I think that Alex just likes Hussaini because he has publicly compared himself to Trump a number of times in the past, highlighting how they're both former TV stars who want to improve their countries. | ||
| Alex is painfully susceptible to people who make their brand I'm X countries version of Trump. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's catnip to him. | ||
| He's like, oh, I love you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's ridiculous. | ||
| And if they're famous. | ||
| True. | ||
| He is very much a star fucker. | ||
| That does seem to be the case, too. | ||
| So this caller says that, you know, hey, Trump, we gotta support him because there's gotta be imaginary intelligence that we don't know about. | ||
| No, there doesn't. | ||
| When will people learn? | ||
| There doesn't have to be imaginary intelligence. | ||
| They're willing to lie! | ||
| Well, there's imaginary intelligence. | ||
| Don't get it twisted. | ||
| And then this person, the conversation steers into divine provenance. | ||
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We can't just say, okay, look at this one issue and say he's made a bad decision. | |
| Now, you know, should I vote for him? | ||
| Should I not vote for him? | ||
| We cannot waver because there's so much he cannot tell us that intel can't tell us. | ||
| There's so much going on that if we did know everything that's going on, we would say, oh, I completely understand. | ||
| We need to have trust and faith in God. | ||
| I personally believe that God has chosen Trump to be the President of the United States, and he will lead us down these dark paths, but soon to come there will be light. | ||
| I personally believe that. | ||
| Ooh, you should stop believing that. | ||
| I strongly disagree. | ||
| When you're on a show that's complaining about a theocracy in Iran, don't say that your president was chosen by God. | ||
| I don't understand why there's a problem there. | ||
| There's a slight problem. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I would say that that is a purely unacceptable way of thinking. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Regardless of just that idea of, well, he made one bad decision, so we still have to support him. | ||
| It's like, okay, he put green peppers on the pizza and you don't like green peppers. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| You still support the guy as president. | ||
| He starts World War III. | ||
| I think then we need to start talking about other options. | ||
| I even understand that kind of mentality being acceptable in terms of Yeah. | ||
| You know, like, there's sometimes geopolitical decisions that have really negative consequences that may or may not be justifiable. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And in those cases, you can kind of take a position of, hey, that was really bad, but that doesn't make you... | ||
| Right. | ||
| But I don't think that applies here. | ||
| There's a difference of process versus results. | ||
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True. | |
| You know, like... | ||
| That's why it's important to show your work. | ||
| Exactly! | ||
| And that's why it's important not to rely on vague ideas of imaginary intelligence. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| But I do agree with the premise that the caller is saying, and that is that there's a ton of stuff we don't know. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| Now, it's left to be seen until we know whether or not the secret stuff is exculpatory or makes Trump look worse. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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It's unclear. | |
| It's unclear. | ||
| And this guy's instant assumption is that, like, well, yeah, everything that we don't know justifies all this, and that's why we gotta keep supporting the God King. | ||
| It's like, no, no. | ||
| I'm just boggled by that idea of any time somebody has asked for evidence from Trump regarding any possible thing. | ||
| It is always worse for him. | ||
| Right. | ||
| There is nothing... | ||
| Nobody's ever been like, oh, well, this evidence proves Trump is... | ||
| It's either we're not going to share any evidence or the evidence we do share makes him look like a psychopath. | ||
| It seems that way. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So there's a preoccupation that the embassy situation in Baghdad was supposed to be Trump's Benghazi. | ||
| This is something that keeps coming up, this comparing Benghazi to the embassy. | ||
| And you see that here a little bit. | ||
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The neocons in the CIA wanted a war, so they made a little pact with their leftist friends in the CIA that they could have a Benghazi situation. | |
| But either way, the deep state wins. | ||
| And then Trump comes out of left field. | ||
| He's like, I'll just kill their leaders. | ||
| So he totally ran a psyop on the deep state and won and projected American power boosted. | ||
| In fact, Richard, I'm so glad you called, because right before I went live, I even wrote notes that I was going to say this, that... | ||
| If people think there's 3D chess, you just saw it from Trump. | ||
| The smells of Trump, it's him. | ||
| I get chills. | ||
| I mean, I agree it smells of him. | ||
| Let's not start, you know what, and yet, like the wolf says in Pulp Fiction, but right now it looks like a masterstroke by Trump, just saying. | ||
| Masterstroke. | ||
| This caller is laughing about the attack. | ||
| This is all very positive stuff. | ||
| Like, there isn't really... | ||
| Outside of a couple of callers who are expressing the thing like the guy who's like, we've drifted from Ron Paul type stuff, there's not as much negative expression. | ||
| And when it does come, it comes in really fucked up ways. | ||
| Like, the next caller, let's just go ahead and get to that. | ||
| Because this is kind of a negative, like this attack wasn't good. | ||
| But the way it's expressed is deeply, deeply troubling. | ||
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First off, with Iran, we need to treat Iran like a bee's nest. | |
| What do you do with a bee's nest in your yard? | ||
| You have two options. | ||
| Either stay away from it or wait until the evening comes, let every bee come home to nest, and then spray it, kill every single one, and destroy the nest. | ||
| These Iranians, they literally believe that it's up to them to bring the apocalypse and the end of the world. | ||
| And if they can do this, they win. | ||
| They believe that the 12th imam is just going to show up in Iran and save them. | ||
| So this caller is expressing, like, this attack isn't good because what you need to do is leave him alone or commit genocide. | ||
| This is not acceptable stuff to be discussing on this radio show. | ||
| Alex engages with the bees nest metaphor after this. | ||
| You shouldn't be doing that. | ||
| You should push back on that. | ||
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This guy is explicitly using a metaphor that is... | |
| Complete isolation or eradication. | ||
| One of the two. | ||
| Those are the only two options because all Iranians are... | ||
| They want to bring the end to the world. | ||
| And that just is not... | ||
| There's no way. | ||
| There's no way that that can be appropriate as conversation. | ||
| No, I just don't. | ||
| I just don't, man. | ||
| I don't... | ||
| Because I'm on a very difficult... | ||
| Like, I... | ||
| That's just psychopathic murderer shit. | ||
| Like, you can't... | ||
| Oh, it's genocide or shit. | ||
| Right, but I mean, this guy's an idiot. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| You know, he's never going to be able to do genocide or anything, but that thought process is very much in his world. | ||
| Fucking psychopathic murderer shit. | ||
| Well, right. | ||
| And my complaint about it... | ||
| I would not want to be in a domestic relationship with him. | ||
| My complaint about it is twofold. | ||
| One, it's a horrible perspective that this caller has. | ||
| And two... | ||
| When Alex allows callers to call in and express these sorts of things and not push back on them and not discuss why that is a dangerous idea, it has the effect of normalizing it. | ||
| It has the effect of like, oh, that is a position that Alex deemed worth entertaining. | ||
| And for any impressionable listeners, they're going to be much less shocked by the concept of extermination. | ||
| And just the way that it's being discussed. | ||
| Yeah, it's fucked up. | ||
| This is a tragedy. | ||
| Even if you think, honestly, in the long term that this is better, this is all a fucking tragedy. | ||
| And it should be talked about as such. | ||
| Yeah, and it should center on the civilians and the people who are being foisted into this position by this geopolitical shit. | ||
| So I would argue that, I mean, we're recording this on the 5th, we're five days into 2020. | ||
| I'm not into it. | ||
| I did think that 2019 was a bad year, but 2020 is really shaping up to be a doozy. | ||
| It's a small sample size, so maybe the year will get back. | ||
| You know, it's an intense beginning to the year. | ||
| Alex has a slightly different take. | ||
| One thing for sure, 2020 is going to be amazing. | ||
| I mean, in I think every way. | ||
| And just mythically, the iconography. | ||
| Just the numbers alone, it's going to be incredible. | ||
| It already is. | ||
| Let's go ahead now and take another call here. | ||
| So I think that it's going to be incredible in his position because, I mean, how did he start the show? | ||
| Record traffic. | ||
| These sorts of events have a tendency towards giving him hope that his business is viable. | ||
| This year's going to be incredible. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Nobody knows what the hell is going on. | ||
| So let's see what the crazy person has to say. | ||
| He's willing to give us cold comfort. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So let's take a little break from the show and enjoy a commercial. | ||
| So I was listening to, I accidentally left it on during the commercials, during the feed, and it turns out that Ted Anderson, the guy who runs Genesis Communications Network and formerly Midas Resources before he had his gold sale license revoked by the state of Minnesota, and Alex had to probably help him pay off some legal fees. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Anyway, this guy. | ||
| Still running scams. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I was going to say, I kind of thought he faded into the background. | ||
| I have a reason to believe that he was the reason that Alex did that sort of infomercial with Jeunesse. | ||
| Because Alex and the InfoWars brand didn't seem to end up working with Jeunesse. | ||
| But Genesis Communications Network did. | ||
| On the Genesis Communications feed of Alex's show, you'll hear commercials where George Nori promotes the InfoWars life... | ||
| I'm sorry, the Genesis... | ||
| The Juness. | ||
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It is Juness, but sold through Genesis Communications Network. | |
| So George Norrie from Coast to Coast AM has cut a commercial for them that airs, and so that seems to be maybe the scam that Ted is on more these days. | ||
| Ted is more on the pyramid scheme. | ||
| It seems like the MLM multi-level marketing is there, but he's got another thing cooking, and it's a little bit of a sweepstakes. | ||
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How would you like to hit the range tomorrow with a brand new gun? | |
| I'd love to. | ||
| Because the United States Concealed Carry Association wants to give you a free gun right now. | ||
| That's right, completely free. | ||
| The USCCA is here to give every responsibly armed American the education, training, legal, and financial protection they need. | ||
| And today, they're giving you not one, but four free chances to win $1,000. | ||
| Simply text GCN to 87222 to get entered now, and you'll get four free chances to win $1,000 for any gun you want. | ||
| I think they have to do that because it might be illegal to have a gun sweepstakes. | ||
| I was going to say, I don't think you're allowed to just give away guns. | ||
| So there's two things that are interesting about this. | ||
| One is, this is bullshit. | ||
| And second, it tells me that Genesis Communications can't be in good financial positioning. | ||
| Because if they were, why would Ted Anderson do this voiceover himself? | ||
| That's fair. | ||
| He's not good at this. | ||
| No, he's not. | ||
| He's not a good voiceover. | ||
| That's a creepy voice he has. | ||
| It leads me to suspect he can't hire a voiceover actor. | ||
| Or, I don't know, I could see him thinking he was great. | ||
| That is possible. | ||
| I could totally see him being one of those local car dealer guys who's like, I am fucking amazing on TV. | ||
| In that case, you would probably hear some sort of music in the background. | ||
| Ooh, that's a good point. | ||
| There might be the fingerprints of an editor. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Whatever the case, it doesn't look good. | ||
| Anyway, sign up to win a gun or $1,000. | ||
| Is $1,000 not good enough? | ||
| I'm fine with $1,000. | ||
| Why do you got to say... | ||
| I guess it just needs to be attracted. | ||
| Because it's being presented by the concealed carry organization or whatever. | ||
| And it's a targeted ad for... | ||
| So Alex comes back from break. | ||
| With a new gun! | ||
| He's $1,000 richer. | ||
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Yep. | |
| We've not heard him talk about the news that broke about his sanctions in the Sandy Hook case. | ||
| The $100,000 or so that he brought upon himself. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Now's the day to get into that, apparently. | ||
| So Alex decides here on this January 3rd episode where he's been spouting bullshit about Iran. | ||
| That's literally almost like, that's the version, that's his version of wagging the dock, Dan! | ||
| So, Alex is... | ||
| I hesitate to explain this ahead of time for fear that it might ruin some of the surprise. | ||
| But Alex's position on it is that there's a massive media blitz about this story. | ||
| They're trying to present in people's minds that he lost the Sandy Hook lawsuit and that the CIA is behind it. | ||
| That is basically... | ||
| I disagree with all three of those, but I think he's got a good basis. | ||
| Maybe he'll convince you. | ||
| And I haven't spent a lot of time on this, but I really need to. | ||
| I may come into a special report tomorrow just on it. | ||
| They put me on every news channel and every newspaper in the country. | ||
| I've randomly checked it. | ||
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What? | |
| Okay, you understand, only the deep state CIA can do that. | ||
| Trump still doesn't have damn control of it. | ||
| The same group attacks him constantly. | ||
| And you're like, well, why can't he stop it? | ||
| He's the president. | ||
| He's ordered it. | ||
| They just won't quit. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| They had me on from 9 at night until about 2 a.m. while the ball dropped. | ||
| They had scrolls saying Alex Jones found guilty of lying about Sandy Hook parents. | ||
| That's not even true. | ||
| It was just some attorney's feast thing because the judge said we didn't answer the questions like we were supposed to. | ||
| And that's not accurate either. | ||
| What is your source of this CNN video? | ||
| Well, it's CNN. | ||
| Who is the source who gave it to you? | ||
| Oh, you didn't tell us. | ||
| Oh, we need $68,000 and $37,000. | ||
| I mean, it's a joke. | ||
| It's evil. | ||
| But that turns into Jones is guilty of the Sandy Hook. | ||
| Why would they do that? | ||
| Why would they take an 11-day-old ruling that had been in the local paper? | ||
| That meant nothing? | ||
| Was it the last year of this judge just attacking us? | ||
| In my view? | ||
| And the lawyers I know, they've never seen anything like that. | ||
| They go, this is insane. | ||
| I mean, imagine a deposition. | ||
| They ask you a question and you don't know because the statute of limitations is like two years. | ||
| They're asking about seven-year-old videos. | ||
| It's like, we don't know. | ||
| It's a video we edited years ago. | ||
| We don't know. | ||
| You don't have the source of that? | ||
| You have violated the court order! | ||
| You have. | ||
| Go to school! | ||
| $37,000! | ||
| $20,000! | ||
| In their rage to destroy the First Amendment. | ||
| In their Trump derangement syndrome. | ||
| But that isn't the issue. | ||
| Yes, I'm persecuted. | ||
| Yes, they pay people to tell outrageous lies about me. | ||
| We're going to go back to your calls, amazing calls. | ||
| It's because, folks, we really know what we're talking about. | ||
| I'm right about everything. | ||
| And that's why I say under oath that my show is mostly opinion and my emotions. | ||
| I cannot believe that. | ||
| The only thing that an attorney would say, it would respond to with... | ||
| This is unbelievable. | ||
| I've never seen this before. | ||
| Is Rob Dew's deposition. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's the only thing that you could say. | ||
| Otherwise, everything else makes perfect sense. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I mean, if you were a lawyer and you were reviewing Alex's behavior in this case, you'd be like, this is unbelievable. | ||
| This is unreal. | ||
| I'm going to make a kill in office. | ||
| And Barnes is gone? | ||
| Good work, Barnes. | ||
| I get to take over. | ||
| Yeah, you'd be like, this is unbelievable what a payday this would be. | ||
| If I just keep... | ||
| Because he's... | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| It's unreal. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, what I find really interesting is that the news of this didn't break on New Year's Eve. | ||
| No. | ||
| This is... | ||
| Alex clearly... | ||
| I'm guessing maybe he didn't see the stories when they first came out, just had no awareness of it. | ||
| I guess not. | ||
| I don't imagine that the ball was dropping and that people were covering Alex's court case. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| This is the narcissism. | ||
| And he's having a little bit of a breakdown about it. | ||
| In the middle of this show, he really does... | ||
| I don't know what it is, but he's convinced that the CIA is behind pushing stories about him being sanctioned. | ||
| Now, that is one possibility. | ||
| Another possibility is that people enjoy these kinds of stories. | ||
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There's a Schadenfreude that people experience. | |
| Aha, you got yours. | ||
| I think listening to that, what confuses me is... | ||
| I really do think he fundamentally doesn't understand some of what's going on. | ||
| That's because he only reads headlines. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I mean, with his own case. | ||
| That's because he only reads the headlines. | ||
| Yeah, that's probably fair. | ||
| About them. | ||
| That's probably fair. | ||
| But there's some stuff he's lying about. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| But there's some stuff I really don't think he understands. | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| That's when I say go to school. | ||
| I really think he just doesn't, like, it can't be explained to him what's wrong there. | ||
| When he says, like, oh, you can't say I don't know in a deposition. | ||
| No, I mean, you can't. | ||
| A corporate representative can't really. | ||
| Give me your sources. | ||
| Well, I don't have to have sources. | ||
| No! | ||
| You were required to provide your sources. | ||
| It's by law! | ||
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So you are violating court order. | |
| The thing that I keep bumping my head up against is, like, I think it's impossible to discern whether or not he understands this or not. | ||
| There will be some sort of a tell eventually, maybe, but at this point I find it to be opaque, and it would just be guessing. | ||
| It's a possibility that he doesn't understand what people are requiring of him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it's also possible that he's willfully lying about everything. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| I think both are going on. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It could be elements of both. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Anyway, this leads to Alex ranting about how great his show is, because they really know what's going on in the world. | ||
| And you know what? | ||
| It's evidenced by how great his callers are. | ||
| They don't like him today. | ||
| And how popular he is. | ||
| Nobody in talk radio has callers like this. | ||
| CNN can't get any good callers. | ||
| My callers are better than Fox News' best guest. | ||
| We've really got the thinkers. | ||
| We've got the best guest. | ||
| We've got the best crew. | ||
| We're real. | ||
| Number one podcast, 2017, Joe Rogan. | ||
| Number one podcast, 2019, Joe Rogan, which was the number one ever in all time. | ||
| That's in the news. | ||
| Why wasn't I number one in 2018? | ||
| He didn't have me on. | ||
| So when Alex says that it's in the news that his appearance on Rogan was the top podcast in the world in 2019, he's being kind of a dick. | ||
| It wasn't in the news. | ||
| He's referring to a blog post on National File, which is a website run by his employee, Tom Pappert. | ||
| It's in the news. | ||
| In the article, it says of Alex's second appearance on Rogan, quote, the podcast has since accumulated over 16 million views on YouTube, making it the most viewed podcast in the entire world in 2019. | ||
| Elon Musk's episode with Rogan has 28 million views, but in fairness, that was in September 2018, so it doesn't count for 2019. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| For some comparison, Gordon Ramsay, Shaq, and Billy Eilish's episodes of Hot Ones all have way more views than Alex did on Rogan. | ||
| Billy Eilish is sitting at 29 million views, and Gordon Ramsay at 49 million. | ||
| So, I don't know. | ||
| I guess it comes down to what you call a podcast. | ||
| I'm sure there are other examples of shows that got way, way more views than Alex on Rogan, but I don't have the patience to come up with more examples. | ||
| Suffice it to say, there's a little bit of a scale there. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| I'm mad because now I have to watch all three episodes because I'm fairly certain Shex has to be the best one. | ||
| It's pretty good. | ||
| It has to be the best one. | ||
| I enjoyed, I think, one of the most recent ones. | ||
| I don't really watch that as much as I used to. | ||
| I was really charmed for a while. | ||
| But on a guest-by-guest basis. | ||
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Sure. | |
| Stone Cold Steve Austin was on. | ||
| It has to be amazing, right? | ||
| He seems like a very charming man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Anyway, the National File post, it really is just an absurd act of navel-gazing, being carried out by an organization with explicit ties to Alex himself. | ||
| It's just a puff piece that really comes off looking desperate, since all it really covers is how many people watched Alex on Rogan. | ||
| It also includes a graphic that Rogan put out that includes the most liked and disliked episodes of the year, which the post comments on, saying that Alex's appearance was, quote, the most liked Joe Rogan experience YouTube video of the year. | ||
| Of course, the graphic also shows that Alex's episode is the fifth most disliked. | ||
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Right. | |
| But the article doesn't feel the need to interrupt the good times. | ||
| It's more about, it's not about press. | ||
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Right. | |
| It's about all press. | ||
| If I'm being perfectly honest, the entire post is just begging Rogan to rebook Alex. | ||
| The giveaway is a comment that Alex very generously provided this totally legitimate news outlet. | ||
| How did they get a hold of Alex? | ||
| It's a big gig. | ||
| He is not answering a lot of calls recently. | ||
| Quote. | ||
| Speaking to the National File, Jones said, quote, That just shows how popular liberty and freedom are. | ||
| The only question is, will Alex Jones be back in 2020? | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Rebook me! | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's desperate. | ||
| Also, I don't trust the last line of this article. | ||
| Quote, Though websites are often vague about releasing the total number of plays of individual podcast episodes, National File was able to confirm that Alex Jones Returns was the most listened to and most downloaded Joe Rogan experience podcast of all time. | ||
| How exactly did they confirm that? | ||
| The only person who gave comment for this story is Alex himself, so I'm guessing that maybe he confirmed that for them on background, because I just cannot imagine Joe Rogan giving this kind of... | ||
| Private business detail away to the fucking National File. | ||
| No, what he did was Alex texted him and he was like, that was the most watched ever, right? | ||
| And Joe was like, yeah, sure, whatever. | ||
| And then you confirm it with National File. | ||
| Done. | ||
| I am an amazing journalist. | ||
| Still not a good chain of information. | ||
| Amazing journalist. | ||
| Put simply, this is just rampant narcissism and desperation on full display. | ||
| Which is what Alex is feeling. | ||
| He's having a breakdown about this. | ||
| Like, in the middle of the episode. | ||
| Make no mistake about it. | ||
| He just starts screaming about how he can't lie to people. | ||
| People love freedom, and even my obnoxious, loudmouthed Texan ass, because I'm real. | ||
| And the obnoxiousness in all of it is endearing, I know, just like your obnoxiousness is endearing. | ||
| Because you know what? | ||
| It's real, folks. | ||
| There's nothing fake here. | ||
| In fact, I'm so damn real, I can't stand it. | ||
| I sometimes want to control myself. | ||
| I sometimes want to act a different way. | ||
| I can't! | ||
| I can't control myself! | ||
| I'm a maniac! | ||
| It's all real! | ||
| I'm totally real! | ||
| He says in control. | ||
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That seems so fake. | |
| I never lied to you. | ||
| I compulsively tell the truth. | ||
| He lies. | ||
| These people out there, they can't stand that, you see? | ||
| And they also don't like the fact they can't scare me. | ||
| And they don't like the fact they can't scare you. | ||
| But let me just tell you. | ||
| I've studied war propaganda and how the globalists do stuff. | ||
| Folks, I think they are probably... | ||
| I need to go to your calls, but I need to probably do a special report so I don't cut into the main broadcast time on your calls. | ||
| But I think they're getting ready to do a false flag and blame me, and they might kill me. | ||
| And I'm only saying that to be dramatic. | ||
| And if that happens, I'm not a loser. | ||
| I'm a winner. | ||
| I don't want to die, by the way. | ||
| I'm not going to commit suicide, but you know what I mean. | ||
| They don't do that unless they've got something big planned. | ||
| Let me tell you something. | ||
| I was on every news station in the country. | ||
| I checked randomly. | ||
| What does that mean? | ||
| Hundreds. | ||
| Randomly? | ||
| How did you check a hundred? | ||
| That means the folks running the show, they're fighting Trump. | ||
| We're talking CIA, the highest level. | ||
| Brennan and those folks, they've got a plan. | ||
| And they're assassinating my character and my name ahead of trying to kill me. | ||
| Alex does this any time there's some bad press about him. | ||
| He starts talking about how they're trying to assassinate his name before they kill him. | ||
| This is really... | ||
| Tired stuff. | ||
| He says this a lot. | ||
| He has for quite a while now. | ||
| But it's really extreme now. | ||
| The level of the way he's delivering this, the pressured speech, there's a mania to it that I don't normally see. | ||
| It doesn't strike me as meaning that he feels it more. | ||
| There's more of an extremeness to the performance of this narrative that he's used. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Whenever he was going through his custody hearing, he was saying that all these stories about him, it's all just a setup to make him look bad before they kill him. | ||
| It's just constant over and over. | ||
| But this is narcissism. | ||
| That's all this is. | ||
| It's fully on display. | ||
| The CIA planted stories about Alex having to pay $100,000. | ||
| for doing a bad job in the deposition being like really an affront to the court, more or less. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And they're doing that because John Brennan has a false flag planned and he's going to kill Alex. | ||
| This is childish shit right here. | ||
| This is in the middle of an episode that is covering some very serious issues. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
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This is... | |
| I would venture to say, anybody listening to this show, if you take the first, let's say, hour so seriously, where Alex is getting into the geopolitical scene and Trump made a bold move, and then out of nowhere he just starts talking about how the CIA is going to kill him and have a false flag, you should really step back and be like, is this someone who is healthy? | ||
| Should I trust this? | ||
| Those are two things of equal historical importance. | ||
| They say in an infinite universe all things are possible, but a malignant narcissist admitting that he is at fault for his own demise doesn't seem like one of them. | ||
| Well, I mean, his demise was predestined. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| He made an arrangement with God, it turns out. | ||
| Well, he's going to talk about it in this next clip. | ||
| Already we had a situation where it's like, what you're saying is disturbing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And now it takes on an even more disturbing character. | ||
| Every newspaper. | ||
| That's in these networks. | ||
| Because they get an order. | ||
| It comes in, and it's like, hey, push this, and they do it. | ||
| And they did that to us again. | ||
| I mean, so I'm not sure exactly what's going on, but they usually do that when they overthrow your government or they assassinate you. | ||
| And so all the work we've done to get under this much attack, I mean, I've got to be honest with you. | ||
| It's not a pride thing. | ||
| It's a satisfaction thing of a job well done that, wow, I really counted for something, man. | ||
| I really did a decent job, and our listeners boosted our transmission. | ||
| You did this, too. | ||
| So if they do kill me or whatever, you know, just keep the mission going on, and I'm not a loser. | ||
| They don't win by killing me or whatever it is they got planned, but it's bad. | ||
| So in the new year, I thought I'd just go ahead and tell you that because I just got to tell you everything. | ||
| And I'm not doing it to be dramatic, folks. | ||
| It's real, okay? | ||
| I mean, that's the wings of death flapping around. | ||
| You can just hear them. | ||
| And fine, whatever. | ||
| Just don't let me see you coming because I'm going to fight for my life. | ||
| But it's just nothing to me because I expected this a long time ago. | ||
| I told you I got on my knees a lot of times and I said, I feel the evil. | ||
| I see what I want to defeat God and I want people to wake up. | ||
| And God literally told me. | ||
| It was like, I've said this for 20 years. | ||
| Literally. | ||
| You're going to trigger the whole movement. | ||
| To take down the globalists. | ||
| And you're going to inspire others to do it. | ||
| And then you're going to be destroyed in the end. | ||
| So you're sure you want that. | ||
| And I mean, I said this on air 20 years ago. | ||
| I mean, I've literally heard God's voice in my head. | ||
| And when those times you know it, I mean, it's like, okay, you want this? | ||
| Because you're going to get really torn to pieces at the end of it. | ||
| But it's going to be really good. | ||
| And so I don't know if this is the end of it. | ||
| I don't know if that's what this is or whatever it is. | ||
| But you know what? | ||
| Hey, I asked for it. | ||
| And I actually like it. | ||
| This is a mess. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| You talking to me or you talking to you, buddy? | ||
| This is a mess. | ||
| That's an internal monologue somebody has while sad looking out the window on a bus. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, like, you already have... | ||
| I gotta be honest, when I look at stuff like that, and the way Alex is presenting all this, like the CIA is going to kill me and do a false flag because I'm too right about everything and they hate... | ||
| How popular I am, and I made a deal with God literally years ago that I was going to trigger the end of the globalists, but I would be destroyed in the process. | ||
| Very reasonable. | ||
| I kind of feel like maybe he's going to fake his death or something like that and disappear. | ||
| I think he's thought about it. | ||
| I would be. | ||
| I think he's definitely thought about it. | ||
| I mean, that whole, like, they're going to stage a false flag attack and kill me is like... | ||
| Are you going to stage a false flag attack? | ||
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I don't know about a false flag attack, but a false flag suicide? | |
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I know that probably a part of this is that I find Alex to be a pretty boring person in the present day. | ||
| So it makes my mind sort of go off in directions of like, what might he be trying to say? | ||
| What might he be preparing the audience for? | ||
| And it seems to me like this would be preparing the audience for you just someday to not be there. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Now, obviously, John Brennan isn't planning to kill Alex. | ||
| No. | ||
| It's ludicrous. | ||
| But if Alex could find a way to kill himself that would implicate John Brennan... | ||
| God. | ||
| Man. | ||
| I bet he would do that in a second. | ||
| Yeah, that's a coup right there. | ||
| Then I become an idea. | ||
| Yeah, then I win. | ||
| Yeah, I'm like... | ||
| An idea can't be killed. | ||
| I'm like some general martyr of his own. | ||
| So Alex has this little bit of a breakdown where his narcissism is really just running wild. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it's very disturbing. | ||
| But not nearly as disturbing as what happens when he sits down with one Steve Pchenik. | ||
| Of all days to talk to Steve Pchenik. | ||
| No, of course you're going to have Steve on. | ||
| If he's back in your orbit, of course you're going to have him on on this day. | ||
| Now, some of the stuff he says is about what I would have expected. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Some of it I could not have expected in a million years. | ||
| I'm the king of South America now. | ||
| That would be great. | ||
| I would enjoy that. | ||
| That would be fun. | ||
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That would be fun. | |
| So here's Alex just introducing him. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Riding shotgun with us for this hour is Dr. Steve Pachenik. | ||
| He's going to be back on The War Room today. | ||
| I really appreciate him giving us so much of his time in the new year. | ||
| He really is an interesting character. | ||
| His new memoir is out. | ||
| I went and downloaded it last week and read it over Christmas. | ||
| And I know a lot of history, and it's just amazing how many things this guy has been involved in. | ||
| You didn't read that. | ||
| I don't believe Alex read that memoir. | ||
| It is. | ||
| I will say, not having read it, it is amazing how many things he claims to have been part of. | ||
| So I didn't think that Steve would be opposed to this. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| This assassination. | ||
| I figured he'd probably be in favor of it. | ||
| But I also kind of figured he would be against Right. | ||
| Especially with Iran. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It seems outside of what he... | ||
| But I wasn't too surprised by his reaction. | ||
| As much as I've criticized the issues of going on, particularly 9-11, a lot of the problems that arose as a result of the Iran hostage feeds 9-11 really has come to fruition right now. | ||
| I am for the assassination of Soleimani. | ||
| I would have done it a little bit more elegantly. | ||
| Shut the fuck up. | ||
| That's kind of what I would have expected, though. | ||
| Shut the fuck up. | ||
| That's kind of the response I expected from Steve. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Fine, but a little bit gauche. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| A little tacky the way this was carried out. | ||
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That's... | |
| Yeah. | ||
| That's the fucking bullshit spy version of Mark Wahlberg saying he would have... | ||
| Stop 9-11 if he was on the plane. | ||
| And meanwhile, one head of state that we do know that Steve was involved in the death of, Aldo Morrow, was not done elegantly. | ||
| No, he was very inelegant. | ||
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I don't know if you're one to talk, Steve. | |
| So Steve thinks that this is great and it sends a message. | ||
| But Alex has been talking about sending a message to North Korea and other heads of state. | ||
| Steve is more focused on how it's going to send a message to the youth of Iran. | ||
| And I'm not going to interrupt you in a moment because I want you to be able to roll because you are a leading expert on this, but you're saying my gut level visceral reaction is right thing to do, lets the deep state know they're not going to play double deals with Iran against the U.S. is a message to North Korea on so many fronts. | ||
| Trump made the right move. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| But more importantly, it's a message to the children and the young people in Iran that we're with them. | ||
| And in fact, that we're really with them, but we will help them to dispose of the leader Ayatollah Khamenei. | ||
| So I'm not sure if Steve is just talking shit. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| But this sounds very reminiscent of the talk in the lead up to the Iraq war. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Back then, it was coming out of the mouths of people he hates. | ||
| Liberators will be greeted as liberators. | ||
| Saddam Hussein is a terrible, terrible dictator. | ||
| Once we get rid of him, the people will come to us and flock and say, thank you, America. | ||
| There's absolutely no way that the entire region will be screaming death to America. | ||
| So, like, even leaving aside the level of that stupid parallel, like, recent data sets that were put out by a Iran poll and the University of Maryland found that 86% of Iranians have unfavorable views of the United States, as opposed to 13% who have favorable views. | ||
| I'm surprised it's that low. | ||
| Right. | ||
| The favorable number has been steadily heading downward since a high of 31% in August 2015, and the unfavorable number has been similarly spiking since a low that same month at 67%. | ||
| I'm going to go with maybe something happened in 2016 to 2017 that made that opinion. | ||
| Yeah, maybe. | ||
| Steve is talking absolute shit. | ||
| No matter how bad the ruler in Iran is, it's absurd to imagine, particularly at this point in history, after all we've been through, that any country is just going to be like, hooray, the U.S. is here to liberate us. | ||
| Yeah, no kidding. | ||
| That's just not a response you should be selling to people because people around the world have had plenty of examples when things didn't quite go that way. | ||
| Yeah, that's like, hooray, the British are going to draw our boundaries. | ||
| No, not a good thing. | ||
| It's a strange position for Steve to have because it's very... | ||
| Very counter to a lot of the things that have been rhetorical tech posts, tech polls for them over the years. | ||
| So Alex realizes, as he's talking to Steve, that Richard Haass of the CFR, the Council on Foreign Relations, has warned that this could lead to war. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And Alex has an iffy response to this. | ||
| Let me raise that. | ||
| It's an article up on Infowars.com. | ||
| Paul Joseph Watson, CFR president, says the world will be a battlefield after Iran escalation. | ||
| And so you've been a member of the CFR. | ||
| You resigned after 9-11 for the fact that they were involved in it. | ||
| Richard N. Haas. | ||
| And they are really, the establishment's trying to give Trump a backhanded attack. | ||
| I thought they loved war so much, but I guess they didn't make this call. | ||
| Why doesn't the establishment like what just happened, Dr. Pacinic? | ||
| A couple quick points to raise here. | ||
| First, Alex says that Steve left the Council on Foreign Relations after 9-11 because he knew they were involved in the attack. | ||
| This is complete... | ||
| Bullshit. | ||
| And it's wildly irresponsible for Steve not to correct Alex immediately. | ||
| In Steve's first interview with Alex from April 24, 2002, Alex asks Steve about being a member of the CFR. | ||
| Steve replies that it used to be an elite organization like 15 to 20 years prior, but, quote, I haven't attended a meeting in well over a year or two because it's become very much a rotary club. | ||
| Basically, it's the same people returning saying the same thing, and eventually I found it of very little help. | ||
| It was an organization basically designed not to influence or direct everything. | ||
| Steve clearly was telling Alex that he hasn't been to a CFR meeting in well over a year or two, and even if you take the most conservative estimate of time that he's describing, that would be pre-9-11. | ||
| So what Alex is saying is bullshit. | ||
| Maybe it's bullshit that Steve has since told Alex, and Alex doesn't realize it's a contradiction of Steve's original story, or maybe Alex is just making it up, knowing that Steve probably won't correct him. | ||
| They have the bond of two liars who are both totally aware that the other person is just as full of shit as the other. | ||
| It's the safest relationship in the world. | ||
| Two people who know the other one can fuck the other one. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| There's no prisoner's dilemma here. | ||
| It's just two guys knowing we're fucked. | ||
| Second point. | ||
| Maybe Alex thinks that all his globalist CFR Democrat enemies are all in favor of wars because that's the characterization he's imagined of them. | ||
| And this characterization is not in line with reality. | ||
| Maybe sometimes you end up creating an enemy to fight, but then the real world version of them is out of step with how you pretend they act. | ||
| And then you find yourself in this situation, trying to come up with a conspiracy for why this president of the CFR is opposed to attacking Iran. | ||
| It's nonsense. | ||
| There's a very simple explanation. | ||
| It's based on complexity, as opposed to these simplistic, cartoonish sketches he draws of his enemies. | ||
| It's nonsense. | ||
| Steve did not leave the CFR because of 9-11 and knowing that they were complicit. | ||
| He has a responsibility to correct Alex on that because it's bullshit and it's totally wrong. | ||
| I honestly don't even know. | ||
| I can't confirm that he was even... | ||
| He was. | ||
| I can confirm he was a member of the CFR. | ||
| I'll believe you. | ||
| I found his name in the membership role. | ||
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All right. | |
| I will believe you. | ||
| No, no, for sure. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But that makes sense. | ||
| I mean, he was a State Department official. | ||
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Yeah, for sure. | |
| He had a consulting business. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I know. | ||
| I'm just saying... | ||
| There's tons of people in it. | ||
| It's not like... | ||
| Some sort of a 200-person shadowy group. | ||
| It's thousands of members. | ||
| I understand. | ||
| And Steve's assessment of it, like being a Rotary Club, where people make connections and stuff like that, that's not too far off from a lot of people I've heard talk about it. | ||
| Now, Steve does not refute Alex's, they did 9-11 and that's why you left. | ||
| In fact, he says, I did leave because of 9-11, which is not true. | ||
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Now... | |
| This clip also includes Steve saying something that I find to be a big problem. | ||
| It's nonsensical. | ||
| I left it not only because of 9-11, I left it because it's a pathetic organization. | ||
| And Richard Haass is the paramount, pathetic Jew who talks a lot but never served our country. | ||
| So why does Steve feel the need to call Haas a paramount, pathetic Jew? | ||
| How is his Jewishness relevant to the conversation about the CFR at all? | ||
| I didn't bring this up before because Steve is Jewish himself, and sometimes it hasn't felt as pronounced as this. | ||
| There's a bit of a trend lately where Steve's pointing out people's Jewishness, particularly when criticizing or insulting them. | ||
| I'd given it a pass, but in this instance, it's really glaring. | ||
| There's no reason to bring up whether or not the head of the CFR, who you're painting as a nefarious international cabal at war with America, is Jewish. | ||
| And there's no excuse for making it a compound insult, as Steve does. | ||
| Pathetic Jew. | ||
| I don't know what this means, per se, but it really worried me when I heard that. | ||
| That's not good. | ||
| Ah, oh boy. | ||
| They are really done. | ||
| They're done saying the quiet. | ||
| They're all in on saying the quiet part loud now. | ||
| It felt that way. | ||
| When I heard him say that, I was like, that was jarring. | ||
| Yes, it was. | ||
| I didn't expect to hear the hard J. Quite as vociferously as it was. | ||
| That was somebody who was tearing into that J. It was pretty bad. | ||
| Yeah, that was a stake of a J right there. | ||
| So Alex and Steve decide to take some calls, and they get a call from a farmer in Virginia who has a similar approach, or a similar feeling, sort of. | ||
| To the caller who chastised Alex at the beginning. | ||
| Oh, okay, good. | ||
| Okay, good. | ||
| He has a sense that... | ||
| But his angle on it is... | ||
| I was waiting for you to be like, well, it's like when there's the first frost on your crops. | ||
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Hold on. | |
| You gotta destroy the sun in order to make sure... | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| He is also... | ||
| He has a bad angle. | ||
| Okay, there we go. | ||
| Okay, there we go. | ||
| He is not as sort of grounded as that other caller presented himself. | ||
| We've come a long way from Ron Paul. | ||
| What is going on? | ||
| The party is not the same. | ||
| This guy has a little bit of a worse critique, but it really fucks Alex up. | ||
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I'm a 31-year-old farmer in Virginia, and my community has really been hit hard in my lifetime. | |
| My population has been replaced with brown people that speak a different language than me. | ||
| Countless friends and family have died from heroin overdoses. | ||
| The family farms are going away. | ||
| And we believe in Trump because he was supposed to be America first. | ||
| And I believe in you. | ||
| And I feel like crying right now because I have stickers, your InfoWars stickers on my truck. | ||
| I buy your products. | ||
| But you really let me down with this whole situation. | ||
| And you sound like a fool going in circles trying to cover for Israel. | ||
| And trying to make sense of all this when you know it's not right. | ||
| And I love you, Alex, but this isn't right. | ||
| And you need to get on your hands and knees and repent to your audience and apologize. | ||
| This is nuts. | ||
| And you know it's nuts. | ||
| So I told you he has a bad position. | ||
| And that is that Alex is in favor of attacking Iran because he's shilling for Israel. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| So that is bad. | ||
| I was really doing all right there for a sec. | ||
| Well, I mean... | ||
| I was disappointed that that's the angle that it took, but I kind of should have known because the guy was saying, I'm being surrounded by brown people. | ||
| It's clearly a racist farmer. | ||
| Of course, he's going to be like, you just work for the Jews. | ||
| It's like, this isn't good. | ||
| But Alex is very sensitive to those sorts of criticisms. | ||
| Especially on a high-tension day like this, he has a bit of a response to this. | ||
| Like, it doesn't happen immediately, but it throws him for a complete loop where he has to get super defensive about, like, ah, look, I do not work for Israel. | ||
| In fact, and then everything falls apart. | ||
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Then it goes crazy. | |
| Everything falls completely apart. | ||
| Yeah, that sounds right. | ||
| But here's Alex's immediate reaction, which I would say is also not good. | ||
| Well, Justin, let me respond, okay? | ||
| I'm fighting the fentanyl coming into the country, and so is Trump. | ||
| Iran has a dictatorship that just mowed down 600 of their own people. | ||
| Communist China is a dictatorship with 2 million Muslims in concentration camps. | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| Who cares? | ||
| I'm not a globalist. | ||
| Globalism is for this world government. | ||
| I'm for America, but America still has interest. | ||
| And I don't want these wars. | ||
| And I've given you my honest view on what Trump did. | ||
| And I've had play what Tucker Carlson had to say, and I get his perspective, and we've had callers that agree and disagree. | ||
| We're not a cult where we're one thing or we're the other. | ||
| We're trying to have a discussion. | ||
| Okay, so quantify why I need to get down on my knees, and I'm going to get Dr. Steve Pachinik's take on this, because what I've done... | ||
| So that's not a good response, because the arguments that he has are, we're fighting the fentanyl coming in, but that's not all the opiate crisis. | ||
| It's a much larger picture to it than just the fentanyl. | ||
| You're scapegoating fentanyl because you hate China. | ||
| Now, granted, fentanyl is a problem, and absolutely, it should be a part of the conversation. | ||
| Now, secondarily, the other thing is, Iran has dictators. | ||
| There's dictators over there, and China has a dictator. | ||
| And the caller's response to that, I mean, like, in this... | ||
| Alex Jones, nationalism, world, the correct response is who cares. | ||
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| In terms of anti-interventionalist, just strict nationalism, your response is who cares. | ||
| My response to that is not who cares, but it should be Alex's. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| It kind of should be. | ||
| You know why. | ||
| And that's the other thing. | ||
| But that's the problem. | ||
| He does know why he should get on his knees and pray, and he's pissed about it. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| He doesn't like it. | ||
| I mean, I disagree entirely with this caller, but this is the problem when you have this America first obsession and this nationalist focus. | ||
| It becomes very difficult to have a meaningful... | ||
| to you why you should care about foreign affairs, why you should care about what's going on in other countries, because it does appear to be not nationalist to the adherence of it. | ||
| And so Alex is trying to walk this line of, like, we have interests elsewhere, even if it is America first. | ||
| And this caller does not give a fuck about this. | ||
| It's still bad that he thinks that Alex is just doing this because of Israel, though. | ||
| I know! | ||
| I was really... | ||
| Getting close to being able... | ||
| I feel bad for the caller. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| Because he's very clearly... | ||
| I mean, both of these callers are talking about this buyer's remorse. | ||
| Yeah, they got conned. | ||
| I've spent so much money. | ||
| I have all these stickers. | ||
| What are you fucking doing, man? | ||
| They got conned. | ||
| And I hate it when... | ||
| It's fun when rich people get conned out of all their money, because fuck them. | ||
| But this dude is just... | ||
| This dude's just living the shit life with the rest of us, and he gets conned. | ||
| He's a racist farmer in Virginia. | ||
| It's too easy to con racist farmers. | ||
| That's just the reality of it. | ||
| Well, Steve has some advice, because Alex does go to get Steve's take on this. | ||
| And I would say that Steve's advice is next to meaningless. | ||
| Let's get Steve Ochenek's take. | ||
| Doc, you want to comment on what he's saying here? | ||
| Well, with all due respect, I came out of the same area this gentleman comes from, Virginia. | ||
| If he has a problem, I understand Virginia is a disaster of a state now. | ||
| I do what I did. | ||
| I moved to the South. | ||
| I moved to Florida, to Texas. | ||
| The Northeast, Virginia, Maryland, New York, California. | ||
| Virginia is part of the Northeast? | ||
| We'll all be finished for simple reasons. | ||
| You have governors who are totally ineffectual. | ||
| At the local level, you're totally ineffectual. | ||
| You don't have commissioners who can do roads or do anything else. | ||
| You can complain, sir, but the bottom line is very simple. | ||
| You come down to the South, you come down to where we have no taxes and we carry guns, I think you'll be a happier man. | ||
| But don't blame Alex Jones. | ||
| Don't blame Alex Jones. | ||
| Steve Jones, move to the South. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| This is a great example of Steve not... | ||
| Addressing the issue. | ||
| Or addressing the wrong issue, which makes me think that maybe he's not a good hostage negotiator. | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| Because if that's the approach to the conversation, and you'll see in this next clip, the caller is not interested in that level of... | ||
| Yeah, go fuck yourself, Steve. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| So at the beginning of this clip, Alex is trying to express that he feels like what happened was a measured response that Trump carried out. | ||
| And then there's a bit of a backlash to the caller, because he kind of just ignores that in response to Steve telling him to move to the South. | ||
| I got really mad when Trump bombed that little chemical base in Syria because I thought it meant a huge war like it always has in the past. | ||
| He did that to silence the hawks and to then make the enemies back off, and it was a measured response, and it worked really well. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| Now, if this gets expansive, I'm not going to be happy. | ||
| I think this is a measured response. | ||
| I don't like seeing the troops being upped. | ||
| It could go bad, but I don't understand how... | ||
| How you think I'm betraying you being pro-war. | ||
| I'm not telling Trump what to do, and I think we'll see how this unfolds. | ||
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With Steve, because Steve, I'm staying in Virginia. | |
| My family's been here since the 1700s. | ||
| I'm either fighting or that's all there is to it. | ||
| But this isn't America first. | ||
| We've got to get out of all this stuff. | ||
| It is enough, Alex, and you know it is. | ||
| Well, I think what Pachenik's saying is if that regime goes down and they get a populist regime in Tehran, that will absolutely stabilize a lot of the Middle East. | ||
| Is that what Steve was saying? | ||
| And Saudi Arabia won't have the excuse to be on the war path. | ||
| Is that an accurate statement in your view, Dr. Pachenik? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So yeah, we just need to install a populist leader in Iran and that will settle everything. | ||
| I'm boggled. | ||
| This is ludicrous. | ||
| I mean, like, I disagree with the caller about everything. | ||
| It's the same thing with the other caller who was like, well, within the framework that Alex has constructed, that is the response you're supposed to have. | ||
| And this caller is more true to what Alex has presented and preached for a very long time. | ||
| And so there is this dissonance between the callers being like, this is what we were. | ||
| This is what this was about. | ||
| This is the logical endpoint of this shit. | ||
| And you are now no longer on board with what you have left the audience. | ||
| And that should be a big... | ||
| Warning sign for Alex. | ||
| You would think. | ||
| Instead, he gets really mad. | ||
| It is kind of funny to listen to these callers because it's a little bit like... | ||
| And I think what we should do is switch to a socialist form of government based around economic safety for all of its people and not just focused on the few. | ||
| And that's because we need to stop Israel. | ||
| And you're like, no! | ||
| I mean, that's another danger of doing business in this weird conspiracy space, especially when so many of your narratives rely on anti-Semitic shit from history. | ||
| A ton of this stuff is going to appeal to people who are not just politically against some of the things that the government of Israel does. | ||
| They're going to have a much larger view of that in the conspiracy space, and that's dangerous. | ||
| You'll end up running afoul of it eventually. | ||
| It always will be turned on you eventually. | ||
| Yeah, it's especially dangerous now because of a certain listlessness, you know, on the left of somebody who's very much, I'm anti-interventionist, I want to follow news sources that give me this anti-interventionist rhetoric that I like, and it turns out that... | ||
| The anti-interventionists are also Nazis. | ||
| You just wandered in and now you're like eco-fascism. | ||
| It's the same danger of overlapping with people you should not make common cause with. | ||
| The enemy of my enemy is not my friend. | ||
| It's something to keep an eye on. | ||
| It's something to be very careful about. | ||
| Probably going to be a bigger issue moving forward. | ||
| Unless, I mean, there is a possibility that Iran does not respond in some super provocative way. | ||
| That is a possibility in all of this. | ||
| It seems unlikely, possibly, as we sit here right now, but it is a possibility. | ||
| And in that case, all of this will be much less pronounced, less heightened, but we'll see. | ||
| Anyway, Alex wants the benefit of the doubt from this caller, and I don't think the caller is having any of that shit. | ||
| That's what Trump always says. | ||
| He's cleaning up the problems the deep state created. | ||
| It's why they hate him. | ||
| He's tying up the loose ends, and if he doesn't, then we'll start getting upset. | ||
| I mean, Justin, I think you've got to give us a little bit more benefit of the doubt here. | ||
| No. | ||
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Let's just stop with this stuff. | |
| Okay, Justin, I appreciate your call. | ||
| I've got to move on to other people, all right? | ||
| I've got to be one of the people. | ||
| It's very interesting calls, and that's how you're able to call in. | ||
| CNN and stuff, when they take calls, it's all controlled. | ||
| You just called in, you're on the air. | ||
| That's what Infowars is. | ||
| Not a cult. | ||
| Not a cult. | ||
| But I am going to insist, like, you should give me the benefit of the doubt, and when you start responding, and clearly you're not, I'm going to talk over you and hang up on you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So cool. | ||
| I mean, it's one thing to have, like, a little bit of dissent and stuff like that on the show, but when you're not really even engaging with it, it doesn't really... | ||
| Count for much. | ||
| But they go to commercial, and they come back, and Alex gives a very defensive rant about Israel. | ||
| And it's pretty standard stuff for him. | ||
| It's kind of along the lines of, like, everybody's obsessed with Israel. | ||
| They always accuse me of, like, just because I do X, Y, or Z. It's pretty standard stuff. | ||
| And I don't find it notable at all. | ||
| He goes on that rant a bit. | ||
| I've heard it many times. | ||
| It's only notable because Steve is there. | ||
| And this makes Steve start talking about some of his feelings about Israel. | ||
| We've already got a hard J from Steve. | ||
| I don't want to hear about Israel. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| Let me put it this way. | ||
| Israel created a myth about Judaism, about the Holocaust. | ||
| You know, I've talked about it before. | ||
| The American Jew really doesn't understand what the Holocaust is. | ||
| He makes up numbers of six million. | ||
| But the fact is, Bibi grew up in America. | ||
| Israel has its own problems. | ||
| We're not there to help Israel. | ||
| Israel is going to have to deal with Kizballah now. | ||
| And they did not do well in 2000. | ||
| I have rounded up Mossad operatives and I put them in prison. | ||
| I've also warned Mossad that they could not get involved. | ||
| Really? | ||
| I would say name names then. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When would you be in a law enforcement capacity after 9-11? | ||
| What the fuck are you talking about? | ||
| Bullshit. | ||
| Fuck off. | ||
| Now, beyond that, I don't want to put this too bluntly, so I'm just going to come out and say that... | ||
| The more Steve is talking, the more worried I am. | ||
| I don't know too many people outside Holocaust denial communities who talk about the Holocaust as a myth. | ||
| I know that he's not saying that it didn't happen, but what he's engaging in here is very standard behavior you would see from more savvy Holocaust deniers or revisionists. | ||
| Look, I'm not saying that the Holocaust didn't happen. | ||
| I'm just saying that they inflated the numbers to make it look like it's worse than it really was. | ||
| Look, I'm against any Holocaust, but... | ||
| I'm also against liars! | ||
| I don't recall this being a part of Steve's character that we've seen on the show previously. | ||
| So this really freaks me out. | ||
| This really, really freaks me out. | ||
| It is like that. | ||
| Has this always been there? | ||
| Or is this somehow he's even more radicalized than... | ||
| I think it's probably something that's been there, but it hasn't come out. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I mean, it has to be something that he's felt. | ||
| For a while. | ||
| I can't imagine this being a new revelation. | ||
| I guess. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| How many people are suddenly, you know, you used to be a Republican, and then three years later, we need a religious theocracy, and we need to, you know, it didn't take long for a lot of people to get fucked up. | ||
| I think calling the Holocaust a myth. | ||
| That the state of Israel uses. | ||
| That's a weekend thing! | ||
| A lot of freshman college girls do that. | ||
| They go out to Florida, they spend the spring break, Holocaust is a myth, they come back, they get back to work. | ||
| For someone who's pretending to be such a geopolitical expert as Steve, I don't feel like this could be a late career development. | ||
| Also, how could you possibly square the events of his earlier career in the State Department with the ability to believe that the Holocaust didn't happen? | ||
| You can't. | ||
| He's not honest about anything. | ||
| So it gets worse. | ||
| I'll just say that. | ||
| Unless you learn your history, as you said, Alex, you're going to be a fool and you will just repeat the nonsense of Israel. | ||
| Israel didn't take in any Holocaust Jews. | ||
| They didn't want it. | ||
| When Begurian was asked by Eichmann, who spoke Hebrew, he said, do you want three to four hundred thousand of these people in the camps? | ||
| He said, no, I'd rather have pigs. | ||
| Steve's playing a little fast and loose with details here. | ||
| There were many Jewish refugees who were not allowed in during and after World War II, but he's placing the blame in the wrong place. | ||
| That wasn't Israel's fault, primarily because Israel didn't exist yet. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Wasn't that us? | ||
| At the time, the area was the Mandate for Palestine, or Mandatory Palestine, and it was run by the British. | ||
| The British government put in place restrictive immigration policies in the form of the White Paper of 1939, which said a maximum of 15,000 immigrants who could enter the mandate each year. | ||
| If you look back at that period with present-day eyes, you would think that the countries of the world would immediately open their doors to these people who were being systematically killed, but that was not the case. | ||
| There were very few countries that were willing to take in a vast number of refugees fleeing from Germany and Austria, and this continued even after the war. | ||
| Hundreds of thousands of people who'd just survived something unthinkable were put in displaced persons camps, having nowhere to go and very few options. | ||
| Then, in 1948, the State of Israel was established. | ||
| And in the first few years, approximately 140,000 Holocaust survivors immigrated there and were let in. | ||
| David Ben-Gurion was the first Prime Minister of Israel, but until its formation in 1948, he had no formal office in the government in the mandate for Palestine. | ||
| He was just a prominent figure in the Jewish community there. | ||
| He would have literally no authority to negotiate immigration deals with Eichmann. | ||
| Who, incidentally, was living in hiding at that point in rural Germany before fleeing to Argentina. | ||
| What I'm saying is that there's no real point in history when Ben-Gurion and Eichmann could have had a reason to negotiate something like this. | ||
| I was trying to find places where this 300,000 number might come up, because he's saying they had this conversation, this offer of 300,000 people from the camps. | ||
| Rather have pigs, etc. | ||
| And one of the only places I can find that number is in an interview that Ben Gurion did in March 1960, published in the spring 1997 issue of Israel Studies. | ||
| In it, he says, quote, 12 years ago, the Jewish state was established. | ||
| First, we took in 300,000 European Jews from the displaced persons camps. | ||
| It's basically the opposite of what Steve is saying. | ||
| Yeah, he's saying that we did. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I don't want to say that Steve is making this up, but I kind of think Steve is making this up. | ||
| I do want to say that Steve is making it up. | ||
| You can definitely make an argument that the non-Axis powers did not step up to help refugees who were in desperate need during World War II, and that argument has been made by many scholars, like David Wyman in his book The Abandonment of the Jews. | ||
| That's a fine discussion to have, and honestly, having that conversation should really make someone like Alex or Steve rethink their current positions on immigration. | ||
| What's not okay is what Steve is doing. | ||
| Unless he can cite his source on this alleged negotiation between David Ben-Gurion and Eichmann, then I have to assume this is just bullshit that's designed to rewrite the events of the Holocaust. | ||
| And there's a name for that. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| What name? | ||
| It's not a good name. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| So now Steve starts ranting about how there are a bunch of Jews in Hitler's army. | ||
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Ah! | |
| I really don't like Steve. | ||
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No. | |
| He's really going bad. | ||
| I think he's taken a turn for where I am no longer interested in him. | ||
| We've gone a long way from Ron Paul. | ||
| That's for fucking sure. | ||
| I don't think that Steve is a fun crazy anymore. | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| This is not go home and tell your mother you're brilliant. | ||
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No. | |
| He rants a bit here. | ||
| And ironically, guess who was the leader of taking away the Jews? | ||
| A man by the name of Heydrich. | ||
| Stop saying that word like that. | ||
| There were over 146,000 Jews. | ||
| Two out of the five field commanders, I'm getting tired of this, were Jews. | ||
| That was the big shit that Hitler was really a Rothschild, and I've looked into it. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| So, the idea that there were Jews serving within the Army of the Third Reich is not, like, a controversial thing. | ||
| At least historically, it's not something... | ||
| Right now, Steve sounds like he's auditioning for a role in the fucking... | ||
| In the same way that there are non-white white supremacists. | ||
| It's a phenomenon that happens to your brain. | ||
| It doesn't make sense, but it did exist. | ||
| You're not there in the context, whatever. | ||
| What's happening here is more of Steve blaming the Jews for the Holocaust. | ||
| It's coming out here, which is not good. | ||
| I think he might have taken a real serious turn, or maybe he's just been in the past better able to hide this part of his beliefs, because I'm shocked by this. | ||
| Yeah, this is crazy. | ||
| Whatever the case is, I'm primarily interested in that last clip, and Alex has claimed that he's looked into it and that Hitler was a Rothschild. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| I wonder where he's looked into this, because it's absolutely 100% bullshit, and it's a theory I've definitely heard put forth by some fairly neo-Nazi sites. | ||
| Hitler's father... | ||
| That's all I got for that. | ||
| Hitler's father, Alois Schickelgruber, was born out of wedlock without a father on his baptismal registry, which makes his parentage an open question. | ||
| Who was Hitler's grandfather? | ||
| Right. | ||
| However, the theory that his father was a Rothschild is based solely, and I stress solely, on a rumor that his mother, Maria Ann Schickelgruber, she'd been a servant for some unspecified time at the home of Baron Rothschild in Vienna. | ||
| There's no proof that she had actually ever been a servant there. | ||
| There's no evidence that this timeline would match up, even if she had. | ||
| And there's no proof that Maria got pregnant by Baron Rothschild giving birth to Hitler's father. | ||
| This is fantasy stuff. | ||
| And it was kind of tabloid rumor shit in the 1930s that is not true and has just continued as conspiracy bullshit to the present day. | ||
| This story got a little bit of credibility after the Nuremberg trials, when Hitler's lawyer, Hans Frank, told the tale while waiting to be hung. | ||
| He was going to be executed. | ||
| Well, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So as he was waiting... | ||
| He wasn't the court-appointed defense lawyer. | ||
| He was his barns. | ||
| He was a participant. | ||
| So as the story goes, Hitler confided in Frank that he was being blackmailed by his nephew, that the nephew was going to reveal that Hitler was Jewish. | ||
| So he enlisted Frank to look into the accusation. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Frank said he found that Hitler's grandmother gave birth while working in the home of a Jewish family in the city of Gras in Austria. | ||
| This family was by the name of Frankenberger. | ||
| Frank claimed that the head of the household had paid child support to Maria for years because he knew that his son was the child's father. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| None of this story matches up with historical records, though. | ||
| As historian Ian Kershaw points out in his book Hubris, this would have been in the 1830s, but Jewish people weren't allowed to live in Gros until the 1860s, so there wouldn't be any Jewish families of wealth living there at the time. | ||
| There was also no family named Frankenberger living there at the time, and the next closest thing was Frankenreiter, but they weren't Jewish. | ||
| No serious person takes this story as being anything close to accurate. | ||
| And this story has far more credibility to it than the Rothschild one, since at least it's a fake story being told by a real associate. | ||
| The Rothschild thing is just completely made up. | ||
| DNA tests have shown that Hitler probably did have some Jewish ancestry, but that's not surprising, given the time period and the geography, the area, and it doesn't prove anything close to what Alex is claiming. | ||
| I've seen this argument presented in some neo-Nazi-leaning circles, and that immediately doesn't quite make sense. | ||
| Aren't these guys supposed to love Hitler? | ||
| And some of them do. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But not if he was Jewish. | ||
| Well, the best that I can make of this is that these people... | ||
| Are really into the anti-Semitism, not so much the figurehead. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So believing that Hitler was secretly a Jew allows you to retain that anti-Semitism while still having a handy reason to not feel so bad about the fact that Hitler lost World War II. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It was a setup. | ||
| That kind of thing. | ||
| So I think that there is a certain subset of that community that scapegoats the loss of World War II on the fact that Hitler was a Rothschild secret Jewish person all along. | ||
| So he was just leading all us noble whites down the path of destruction or whatever. | ||
| It's tough to say that you're the master super race and lose, I guess. | ||
| Sure, you need an excuse for that. | ||
| And this is one of the handy ones that I've seen employed. | ||
| This segment is flying off the fucking rails. | ||
| Man. | ||
| I thought we were going to be digging into an episode where Alex just talks about how Trump is totally cool to go to war, and then Steve shows up in this fucking thing turned super-crypto-Nazi. | ||
| Yeah, I did not see this one coming. | ||
| Of all the things that I thought might have happened today, Steve Pchenik showing up and denying the Holocaust, not on the list. | ||
| I totally... | ||
| At the beginning of this episode, I said Steve shocked me. | ||
| This is what I was saying. | ||
| Even then, I was like, okay, Steve's gonna shock me. | ||
| Still didn't see Holocaust denial coming. | ||
| Still didn't see it coming. | ||
| That's pretty amazing. | ||
| To put it plainly, Alex is completely losing control of his show, and it's steering ever closer to being an out-and-out, openly anti-Semitic program. | ||
| His inability to screen guests, his unwillingness to break ties with Steve Pachanek, and his underlying bigotries that he refuses to examine, they're really starting to come to a head, and I find the result to be fucking ugly. | ||
| That's what we're seeing here. | ||
| This next clip. | ||
| Steve says that Israel came up with the lie or the myth of the Holocaust in 1965. | ||
| I didn't make this up. | ||
| I mean, the whole thing about Israel is a cockamamie story that we need a land of the Jews. | ||
| No, in 1965, America pulled out, so they came up with the story of the Holocaust. | ||
| I'm not even against Israel. | ||
| All I'm trying to say is these ignoramuses call in and magically go, oh, you're doing this for Israel when they don't even know what they're talking about. | ||
| Meanwhile, you're talking to somebody who is engaging in Holocaust revisionism at best. | ||
| And Alex is too self-absorbed in his feelings about this caller saying he's working for Israel that he can't even push back on this very clear, super disturbing shit that's coming out of Steve's mouth. | ||
| It's real bad. | ||
| It is incredibly bad. | ||
| Yeah, it's the one-two punch of somebody insinuating that he's working for Israel while somebody is saying that Israel is the worst thing. | ||
| Because he can't defend Israel without looking like he's defending Israel. | ||
| Maybe Steve knows that. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Like, that's a fucking... | ||
| It's a mess. | ||
| This show is like... | ||
| This show would benefit from producers. | ||
| You know, I've never considered what it would be like to run a half-Nazi show before, but now I feel like I really know. | ||
| You know, like Red Ice, it seems obvious you're just a Nazi. | ||
| You know, Fox News, you're just pretending not to be a Nazi. | ||
| But here, you're pretending to both be... | ||
| And not be a Nazi. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's kind of wild. | ||
| It's Schrodinger's Nazi. | ||
| I think that you can see what a toll it takes on you. | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| I think Alex... | ||
| That's gotta fuck you up! | ||
| But you know what? | ||
| I mean, straight shooting is really where it's at. | ||
| He's really disciplined. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, in this next clip, Steve is talking about how he was there when they sold the gas to Iran or whatever. | ||
| But if you listen, he gets the gas wrong. | ||
| And Alex corrects him. | ||
| If he is really this geopolitical expert, you probably get the right gas. | ||
| Hey, we all make mistakes. | ||
| This was a war starting under the Bush administration, the Reagan administration. | ||
| We sent, Schultz had sent tear gas to that area. | ||
| I was there when they sent it. | ||
| So if you want to go back to history... | ||
| You mean mustard gas? | ||
| Mustard gas, that's correct. | ||
| We sent mustard gas. | ||
| Now you know and your fans know it. | ||
| Do you think anybody in the news has talked about that? | ||
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| You think anybody in the news goes back to the Carter administration or the Reagan administration or the Bush administration, all of which I was in and I was against, but nevertheless, I served my country. | ||
| So it's very easy for somebody in Virginia to say, oh, I'm disappointed in this and that. | ||
| It's much harder to be what you have to be, a citizen soldier. | ||
| You don't like what happens? | ||
| Try to make it better. | ||
| They are mad about this caller. | ||
| They are really mad. | ||
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| It really threw them for a fucking loop. | ||
| Well, because he's not confrontational, he's disappointed in them. | ||
| It's that, you know, hey, look, I'm not angry with you. | ||
| You know, what I am is disappointed in you. | ||
| It's holding up a mirror. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They don't like that. | ||
| No. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| A mirror is very scary to them. | ||
| You hold up a mirror and you start revising the Holocaust history accidentally. | ||
| You're so overwhelmed by what you see. | ||
| Oh my god, it's a monster! | ||
| Oh shit, that's me, isn't it? | ||
| Fuck! | ||
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Well, better deny the Holocaust. | |
| So Steve had quite a showing here. | ||
| He shuffles off and apparently he's going to come back on Owen Schroyer's show. | ||
| I know I said this just a second ago, sort of under my breath, but this show needs producers. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And if there are producers, they are really... | ||
| They need to be fired. | ||
| They're shitting the bed. | ||
| And so does Rob Dean. | ||
| Because this is like... | ||
| There are ways you cannot do this. | ||
| And that would be planning. | ||
| Some sort of qualifications. | ||
| Some pre-interviews, maybe? | ||
| Like, what are we going to talk about today on the show? | ||
| Instead of just like, well, we get on and whatever happens, happens. | ||
| Uh-oh! | ||
| Speaking of which, I'm very glad that we don't have to have those production meetings where it's like, should we have on a Nazi? | ||
| Not our problem. | ||
| Do we know if this person... | ||
| Yeah, yikes. | ||
| Yikes. | ||
| Although, then again, we didn't know that Swery Carey was a little bit of a Nazi, so... | ||
| We didn't have her on. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| I guess the most unethical thing we did was talk to Larry Nichols, and I think we were confrontational. | ||
| Yeah, I'm pretty sure we were not stoked about him. | ||
| So, Alex comes back after saying goodbye to Steve, and he declares, again, that his lawsuit news... | ||
| It was all people were talking about as the ball was dropping on New Year's. | ||
| I know what war propaganda is. | ||
| I know when it's a major push coming out of the government. | ||
| And I'm doing it. | ||
| I know Trump's not in full control of the government yet, but when they do these pushes on me with the fake Sandy Hook news, you know, that I've lost lawsuits and stuff, usually it's not even true, on every channel on New Year's Eve while the balls are dropping, who the hell is giving that order in your view and what is that? | ||
| So I'm sorry, he was still talking to Steve there. | ||
| I forgot that he was still around. | ||
| Steve's like, he was sort of ambivalent with his answers. | ||
| It's not even really all that interesting. | ||
| Because he doesn't really care. | ||
| No, but it's Alex's preoccupation with this being the image, that I'm the most important thing, they're setting me up to be killed or whatever. | ||
| It's all bullshit. | ||
| So Alex, now he says goodbye to Steve. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And he makes clear that he's praying for peace. | ||
| Then he introduces another guest. | ||
| It's been a powerful broadcast today. | ||
| We're praying for peace. | ||
| We hope this doesn't escalate. | ||
| But I see why Trump did it. | ||
| Now, Syrian girl is a really smart lady. | ||
| And she's been on many times over the years. | ||
| It's been too long since she's been on. | ||
| I'm glad she's here. | ||
| And you can find her on Twitter at Partisan Girl and at Patreon at Syrian Girl. | ||
| And I'm not going to go into her past or who she is. | ||
| I'll do a little bit of that. | ||
| Does she have a name? | ||
| Yeah, she does. | ||
| I'm going to respect her given name. | ||
| You can find it very easily. | ||
| Just because she seems to like to go by Syrian Girl, I'm going to respect that. | ||
| Works for that. | ||
| So, Syrian Girl is an online commentator and wildly unhinged conspiracy theorist. | ||
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| She's been a guest on Alex's show Dating Back many years, but I haven't heard her on the show in a really long time, so the timing of her resurgence is pretty weird. | ||
| Is she somebody who's going to help mollify critics and say that it's cool that they bomb people? | ||
| We'll see. | ||
| For years, Alex has relied on interviews with Syrian Girl to justify his belief that chemical attacks in Syria are false flags. | ||
| While the international community has arrived at the conclusion that Assad used these weapons, Syrian Girl has decided that is not the case and that rebels attack themselves in order to dupe the international community into supporting them. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Honestly, I think she's a horrible voice in this conspiracy ecosystem, but I've never really found her all that particularly interesting the other times I've heard her on the show long in the past. | ||
| I think part of the reason is that she doesn't seem to have any credentials to speak on any of the issues other than the fact that she was born in Damascus, though her parents moved to Australia when she was very young, and the fact that she was in a graduate program for chemistry, which she never finished. | ||
| I'm not sure this will make sense but I've kind of always seen Syrian girl as more of an Alex Jones caller who got elevated to the status of having an alias Kind of like Zack. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I can see what you're saying. | ||
| That's the way I've always... | ||
| They treat her like a guest. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And I guess she is in some sense because she has something going on outside of Infowars as opposed to Zack who was just an in-house production. | ||
| But in the past I've never really seen her as anything else other than someone who just comes on and says things are false flags. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| She's quadruple A ball kind of situation there. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Though her primary area of importance on Alex's show is to deny that Assad had anything to do with war crimes, she's on the show today probably because her support of Assad goes hand-in-hand with Hezbollah. | ||
| Since they're fighting for Assad in Syria, Hezbollah in turn is an Iranian-backed militia, so by extension her support of Assad trickles down to his support of the Iranian regime. | ||
| So there is a weird dynamic at play here. | ||
| even though she's Syrian girl, there is an intersection where that support and that being on the side of the Syrian army and Assad's regime does come into play with an issue that affects Iran. | ||
| And so it's not an unbiased party at all, really. | ||
| So she's against attacking Iran. | ||
| Okay, good. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| Is it because the Holocaust didn't happen? | ||
| No, but if you show your work there, the way that you arrive at that conclusion is a little bit different. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So she comes on and she says that this is like 2003 all over again. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Fair enough, to some extent. | ||
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| And I think she does make also a pretty decent point in the fact that in 2003, there were allies. | ||
| There were the Kurds. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| There were other allies on the ground. | ||
| That made the situation not nearly as bad as it could have been. | ||
| Now, the prospect of having another war, those allies are probably not there. | ||
| And that makes the situation worse. | ||
| So I think she is the kernel of a decent point there, and then she just talks some shit. | ||
| They're going to have a troop surge, and the Iraq invasion is going to happen all over again. | ||
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It's going to be 2020 is now 2003, all over again. | |
| Except now, there's no allies. | ||
| There's no Shiites to work alongside with. | ||
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As there was in 2003. | |
| Now, both the Sunnis, the Shiites, and even some of the Kurds have been disgruntled. | ||
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Now they're all the enemy. | |
| And who has been supportive of such a troop surge? | ||
| Nancy Pelosi said it was needed. | ||
| I mean, this woman, you know, her father actually was one of the founders of Israel. | ||
| He was part of one of the original terrorist organizations that was active before Israel was created. | ||
| It was regarded as a terrorist organization by the British to try to create... | ||
| Well, they're always right. | ||
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So, you know, she has obviously a stake in this. | |
| And I wonder if this whole impeachment against Trump was to try to force his hand into doing this stuff. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Well, and then you say all that and it starts convincing me because... | ||
| Because you're dumb. | ||
| You are very dumb. | ||
| So Nancy Pelosi's father was named Thomas D 'Alessandro Jr., and he was not one of the founders of Israel, nor was he a member of a terrorist group. | ||
| He was on the Baltimore City Council from 1935 to 1938, then a member of the House of Representatives from 1939 to 1947, and then the mayor of Baltimore from 1947 to 1959. | ||
| So unless he was the mayor and moonlighting halfway across the world... | ||
| Uh, sister city of Baltimore? | ||
| That's right, Jerusalem, Dan. | ||
| What is true is that D 'Alessandro was a very vocal supporter of finding a place for the displaced Jewish population to be taken in, which put him at odds with the policies of his president, FDR, who was pushing the opposite at that point. | ||
| Well, not the opposite, but certainly not what D 'Alessandro was into. | ||
| D 'Alessandro opposed British control over the mandate for Palestine, and he lobbied for the United States to prioritize saving Jews. | ||
| He was instrumental in helping get the War Refugee Board established, which helped in rescue efforts. | ||
| Dalessandro was a proponent of the creation of Israel, but by the time that was happening, he wasn't even in Congress anymore, having become the mayor of Baltimore. | ||
| So while it is fair to say that he was into the formation of Israel, it's a bit much to say that he was a founder. | ||
| And he wasn't involved in any terrorist groups. | ||
| He was potentially connected to the mafia, though, through a friend of his, which derailed his attempts to get re-elected as mayor, but I hardly think that that's what Syrian girl is talking about. | ||
| I don't think she's too interested in that angle. | ||
| More importantly, you can kind of get a sense here of the level of shit that Syrian girl brings to the table. | ||
| Vague, misleading accusations about one political figure being used to justify a ridiculous conspiracy theory, like that Nancy Pelosi wanted to impeach Trump so he'd be forced to attack Iran. | ||
| It's just profoundly bad thinking, but ultimately, it's also meant to imply that it is Israel that's the reason that Pelosi does this stuff in the first place. | ||
| That's what this boils down to, which is, again, the same mentality that is not good. | ||
| You know, it can be funny. | ||
| It can be funny. | ||
| These kinds of ridiculous, wild, stupid things. | ||
| But on the... | ||
| I mean, when we're on the precipice of a fucking potentially... | ||
| What do you even call it possible? | ||
| Tensions are high. | ||
| You know, that kind of situation. | ||
| To then do everything possible to avoid giving any blame or fault to the guy who is crowing about it. | ||
| As though it was the biggest victory in the world is so transparent and pathetic and sad. | ||
| Yes, it is. | ||
| But it's not funny. | ||
| Now it's just fucking tragic. | ||
| And it's very scary. | ||
| It's tragic and it's terrifying because some people are going to buy that shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it extends. | ||
| The rationalizations for Trump extend even to the point of... | ||
| Invalidating why he should be in power. | ||
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Absolutely. | |
| But even to make a defense of him, you have to basically be like, eh, he's an idiot. | ||
| Did you hear what he's saying? | ||
| Well, no, no, no. | ||
| He's saying that stuff, but here's why. | ||
| To be fair, this episode, I believe, was before the tweet that he sent out threatening to attack cultural sites. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| So they don't have that in their body of information. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But still. | ||
| I think there's enough body of information. | ||
| I would say so. | ||
| Here is the excuse that Syrian girl gives in order to not really blame Trump, which is, I would argue, dangerous and bad. | ||
| What do you think Trump thinks he's doing, is my question. | ||
| Good question. | ||
| You know, I think they told him that this is a bad man that killed people and we need to take him out. | ||
| I don't think he realizes the gravity of the situation because now this man is one of the most powerful men in Iran. | ||
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And so if you think about it in terms of... | |
| I've been studying. | ||
| I don't think he's the second most powerful. | ||
| He was the most popular and most powerful person. | ||
| I mean, because Ayatollah is a moron reportedly. | ||
| So, I mean, he really was. | ||
| We just killed the head of the Iranian government. | ||
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Something along those lines. | |
| And so anyone in the Iranian government right now is going to feel personally under threat. | ||
| And even any of the world leaders right now are feeling personally under threat. | ||
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And if that's the case, they have to retaliate. | |
| They have to do something. | ||
| So this is a pretty bad look for a propagandist. | ||
| Essentially, the best angle they're coming up with is someone told Trump Soleimani was bad so he killed him not realizing the gravity of the act. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| That basically boils down to saying that Trump is so unaware of the world, so dumb, so malleable and gullible that he'll commit acts like political assassinations without understanding the stakes of his actions just because someone told him it was a good idea. | ||
| Their defense seems to be that Trump is a fucking idiot, which shows how thin the soup has gotten. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is bad. | ||
| Yeah, we've been telling you that from the beginning. | ||
| And now that you agree with us, somehow you think that's a good thing. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Not good. | ||
| This is how ineffectual the defense has gotten in January. | ||
| I can't imagine how strained these people are going to be by the election. | ||
| Of course he's a moron who will kill members of foreign governments that he totally shouldn't just because someone told him to, but you've got to vote for him. | ||
| Seems like a bad pitch. | ||
| Nah, if he's not removed, he's never leaving. | ||
| Also, when Alex says that the Ayatollah is a moron, reportedly, that's a reference to something that Steve told him earlier in the show in that interview. | ||
| Steve kept saying that back in the day he'd been to the Ayatollah Khomeini's house to negotiate things. | ||
| And while he was there... | ||
| And he told him his son was stupid. | ||
| Good luck dealing with him. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| So that's what Alex is working on. | ||
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Reportedly. | |
| Reportedly. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's just some dumb shit Steve told you. | ||
| Great. | ||
| Cool out and grow up. | ||
| Steve needs to be in some sort of... | ||
| He needs to be in an assisted living home. | ||
| I think... | ||
| He needs somebody to take care of his brain and keep his mouth shut. | ||
| That seems too much like incarceration. | ||
| I would say that what needs to happen is he's a name that people need to know. | ||
| People need to be more aware of the dangerous, insidious influence that he is on a lot of this. | ||
| And one of the problems that I think is so pronounced with him is he is able to be a bit chameleon-ish. | ||
| He's talking like this on Alex's show, but I've watched his own live streams, or his streams that he does, his little videos, and they are of a pretty different tone. | ||
| When he goes on other shows, he adapts to the environment that he's in based on what would be appropriate there. | ||
| And that makes him particularly... | ||
| That's not good. | ||
| These fucking guys, man. | ||
| So Alex is talking to Siri and Girl, they're having a great time-ish, and Alex wants to get to some calls, but he just can't. | ||
| I promise, callers, I'm going to get to you one way or another. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| I appreciate you. | ||
| And I respect you. | ||
| And I apologize. | ||
| I haven't gone to you yet. | ||
| But Carlos and Josh and everybody, I'm coming to you next with Syrian Girl. | ||
| But listen to how smart she is. | ||
| Listen to how smart Bachenik is. | ||
| Listen to all this. | ||
| This is real politics. | ||
| This is how really complex it is. | ||
| It's not just this or that. | ||
| It's really complex. | ||
| Listen to how smart and great these guests are. | ||
| Steve was revising Holocaust history and I didn't even recognize it as it was happening. | ||
| Syrian girl is saying this impeachment was just a setup to get Trump to attack Iran and that Trump is too stupid to know what he's doing. | ||
| These are not good guests that depict good politics. | ||
| This is bananas. | ||
| Syrian girl has presented that Trump was told that Soleimani was bad, and he didn't know any better, so he went along with it. | ||
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I believe that's something that The Intercept reported on. | |
| Ten minutes later or so, Alex is talking to her, and you can see that this is a narrative that Alex is crafting. | ||
| But I do think they came just like Syrian girl said and said, sir, he's a bad guy. | ||
| He does all this. | ||
| You can show him at public executions, hanging people and stuff. | ||
| And Trump said, well, get that guy. | ||
| Because he's a real personal type guy. | ||
| He doesn't want to just kill random troops. | ||
| Oh, you want me to kill the head of something? | ||
| I'll do that. | ||
| So that's my view. | ||
| No! | ||
| But you're also making that up. | ||
| That's all fantasized. | ||
| Alex is just making that up. | ||
| You can see how this works. | ||
| Syrian girl says something that sounds good to Alex. | ||
| He has a flight of fancy, starts imagining what Trump does. | ||
| What he hopes Trump feels. | ||
| And delivers it to the audience as if it's a real possibility, a real thing, that this is probably what happened. | ||
| Yeah, it's very dumb. | ||
| So, Syrian girl complains that Trump is surrounded by swamp things. | ||
| Creatures of the swamp. | ||
| He is of the swamp! | ||
| Calm down. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| True. | ||
| And then she gets into some of her discussion and her positions about chemical attacks in Syria. | ||
| Trump, we know, is being surrounded gradually by more and more swampish people like Pompeo, like Lindsey Graham. | ||
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You know, the fact is that he has been given bad intelligence in the past. | |
| For example, on Syria and the chemical attack that happened in Douma in, you know, 2017-2018, we know now from the OPCW leaks. | ||
| That the whole thing was a sham, and yet Trump was misled into bombing Syria over that. | ||
| That scene that you're being shown right now, it has been proven to be... | ||
| But you're absolutely right. | ||
| Stay there. | ||
| It actually has not been proven. | ||
| Now it's confirmed that it's a fake false flag? | ||
| I guess. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So it actually, that has not been proven, that the chemical weapons attack in Douma was a false flag. | ||
| It was a fake false flag. | ||
| I kept that clip in because it's one of the times that Syrian girl is more specific about the claims that she's making that serve to deny Assad's involvement in chemical weapons use. | ||
| Following the release of the OPCW, the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons, their report about the Duma attack, WikiLeaks released some documents from inside the investigation that cast doubt on their conclusions, including an email from a member of the fact-finding team that had a dissenting view and felt that his perspective was ignored in the OPCW report. | ||
| These documents are used to argue that there was a massive cover-up in the OPCW, which Syrian Girl and Alex are now transforming into proof that this was a false flag, but none of these leaps of logic are actually earned in any way. | ||
| The OPCW Director General, Fernando Arias, came out and explained that, quote, the nature of any thorough inquiry for individuals in a team is to express subjective views. | ||
| While some of these diverse views continue to circulate in some public discussion forums, I'd like to reiterate that I stand by the independent professional conclusion. | ||
| I honestly feel like it would be almost more suspicious if there was absolutely no dissenting voices in an investigation like this. | ||
| That would either indicate them operating from a predetermined conclusion or a complete disinterest in other possible explanations. | ||
| The presence of alternative viewpoints, as best I can tell, is more evidence that the conclusion arrived at in the report is the result of investigation. | ||
| That's what it seems like to me. | ||
| Everybody knows that the most legitimate elections are won 97% to 3%. | ||
| Everybody knows that that's the most legitimate form of election. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I've looked into this a little bit, and like I said, I'm not an expert, but from the credible information I can find, this appears pretty clearly not to be a false flag. | ||
| I would say I find very little compelling reason to believe that. | ||
| When I weigh that against people who are saying this is a false flag, like Assad, Alex Jones, and the Russian government, the picture of which side to err on I think becomes a lot easier to figure out. | ||
| So I just don't care for this much. | ||
| And when her example for what proves definitively that this was a false flag is those OPCW leaks, they don't prove that. | ||
| So if that's the tripod you're standing your camera on, Your camera's going to fall over, and I lost track of that metaphor in the middle of it. | ||
| Don't worry about it. | ||
| It's not a good foundation for the narrative that you're trying to put forth. | ||
| I guess I want to put it somehow this way, and it seems impossible to me, but I feel like, to a certain extent, up until recently, the... | ||
| The conspiracy theories that they spun and the fanciful possibilities that they threw out there somehow seemed more possible. | ||
| And as the insanity around them has become even more insane in order to justify it, now it's just turned into unicorns are real. | ||
| We're in pure magic territory now. | ||
| That kernel of truth that conspiracy theories used to have is slowly getting smaller and smaller and smaller. | ||
| In the political sphere, you have the Overton window that moves. | ||
| It moves to the left and the right. | ||
| Where is the topics of conversation appropriate? | ||
| The Overton window moves. | ||
| In the same way, that is true of these conspiracy things. | ||
| Except it's a wonk-a-vator. | ||
| Right, sure. | ||
| There is no track that it's on, and it could go anywhere. | ||
| Yeah, I think that that's absolutely true. | ||
| What's required to push something is way less, as all these ideas that are being discussed are so much more insane. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And there's no need to square them with each other. | ||
| There's just no need. | ||
| When sort of polite society is having a conversation that's like level zero crazy, five is fine. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When society is up at 5 or 10, you've got to go 20. Otherwise, people like Alex only thrive on the appearance that they know something's secret. | ||
| And if everything's crazy, you've got to come up with a crazy secret that you know. | ||
| Hence, everyone's a demon, everyone's a vampire. | ||
| Great. | ||
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| It's just escalation within the rhetoric. | ||
| And I don't think it can de-escalate very well. | ||
| Not without a harsh crash. | ||
| So, in this next clip, Alex uses a weird idiom that I want to discuss a little bit. | ||
| This really has nothing to do with anything. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I want you to ride shotgun with me, and I promise, if the hair didn't rise over Bear Creek, that's a combination of the hair lips, the Admiral, and water doesn't rise over Bear Creek. | ||
| Very politically incorrect. | ||
| I apologize. | ||
| We're going to go to Carlos. | ||
| So, you're thinking about the ride shotgun part, right? | ||
| No. | ||
| The hair lips, Bear Creek. | ||
| I've never heard that before in my entire life. | ||
| No, because it's not an expression. | ||
| Alex was conflating, too. | ||
| But he's talking about how, like, I'm going to get to calls. | ||
| So the term Alex was looking for, he was looking for, isn't Harelips the Admiral. | ||
| The general formulation of it is Harelips the Governor. | ||
| That's an old southern expression, which basically just means, come hell or high water. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| You know, I'm going to do this even if it hair lips the general. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure, sure. | ||
| Being that it's kind of making reference to people with cleft lips, I think it's probably a pretty insensitive expression that I don't think would be appropriate to use anymore, but I can't imagine that Alex is apologizing for that, that it's not politically correct. | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| That's a level of sensitivity that Alex is far from. | ||
| Okay, so then let's go to the second part of the idiom. | ||
| If the water doesn't rise over Bear Creek is not a popular expression, though it's kind of a formulation of Lord willing and the creek doesn't rise, which is a slang term that was actually used as a title for Spike Lee's 2010 documentary about the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. | ||
| The thing is, though, that those two idioms mean completely different things. | ||
| The first is an expression that no matter what, come hell or high water, something is going to get done. | ||
| The second is an expression that says that this thing is going to be done, provided that the creek doesn't rise. | ||
| By mixing these expressions, Alex is basically saying that he's going to get to calls come hell or high water, but not if there's high water. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| That's what he's saying. | ||
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Yes. | |
| It's super weird and probably completely meaningless, but I honestly find a subconscious truth buried in there. | ||
| It's like Alex's brain is just built to make bold pronouncements about what he's going to do no matter what while simultaneously baking in reasons why some of it's never going to get done. | ||
| Honestly, this accidentally, I think, is a pretty good idiom to describe Alex. | ||
| It reminds me so much of the Chobani lawsuit, where he was on air screaming out how he was going to win that case or die in the process, and then he settled a week later. | ||
| I'm not entirely sure what he thinks is politically incorrect about it, though. | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| I was waiting for you to throw out some sort of Reconstruction-era racial... | ||
| That's kind of what I thought, too. | ||
| ...over Edwards Creek. | ||
| We all know who Edward was. | ||
| I thought that was what was about to go down. | ||
| That's what I expected to find, but that's not the case. | ||
| No, and you're absolutely right. | ||
| That is so weirdly perfect. | ||
| That's so weirdly perfect. | ||
| It could not have leaked out more of that. | ||
| Combination of even when I'm telling you something, I am also not telling you it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's talking out of both sides of the mouth. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So Alex goes to calls with Syrian girl and he gets a caller who has some very important information. | ||
| He's going to calls with Syrian girl with his listeners. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And he gets a very important piece of very real intel. | ||
| But I really wanted to let you know that there was another thing that I was more concerned about that I got wind of from some of my military contacts in Africa. | ||
| That some of the FSA Al-Qaeda-backed operatives, about 700 of them, got flown out of Idlib and it got placed down into Africa. | ||
| And there's wind about them trying to collect Ebola and trying to use it. | ||
| Okay, well that's amazing. | ||
| Listen, callers are just... | ||
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I helped for three hours for you, Alex. | |
| No, no, no, stay there. | ||
| I'm saying don't... | ||
| Don't hang up. | ||
| Start getting into it right now. | ||
| I've got to go to these breaks, but start telling us about the Ebola. | ||
| That's amazing. | ||
| That's amazing. | ||
| We're doing Ebola again, guys. | ||
| Great. | ||
| We're going back to this. | ||
| Weaponized Ebola. | ||
| That was also Picadillo of a Syrian girl in the past. | ||
| She has also disseminated Ebola narratives. | ||
| Man, you just can't do that right now. | ||
| You just can't. | ||
| So that's where we're at. | ||
| This caller, he's expressed this. | ||
| Based on his intel. | ||
| Meanwhile, we don't know who the fuck this dude is. | ||
| Hey, I actually know a guy in Central South America. | ||
| I can't tell you what country is from his name or general appearance or if he is a human being at all. | ||
| But he does say that England is about to release a smallpox bond on Boston. | ||
| So, I mean, you can do with that information, like, immediately. | ||
| That's amazing. | ||
| Do whatever you want with that information. | ||
| My response to that? | ||
| That's amazing. | ||
| So, Alex takes this anonymous caller who's, you know, pushing this bullshit, and he starts to build a narrative off it. | ||
| Sure, great. | ||
| Girl, what do you want to say about what he just broke down? | ||
| Because I know that ISIS and al-Qaeda have said that they are trying to bring a bully in and weaponize it. | ||
| I know the Democrats and Soros... | ||
| Are personally bringing in thousands a week to Texas alone. | ||
| The Border Patrol can't even stop them. | ||
| Federal judges let them go. | ||
| They go, I don't want you tested. | ||
| Boom. | ||
| Illegal aliens can shoot women in the back. | ||
| In California, juries let them go. | ||
| They go, gee, why? | ||
| Kill them. | ||
| I mean, the left is in a war against America right now. | ||
| It's insane. | ||
| And so that's why we just hope Trump can not be manipulated. | ||
| What do you think? | ||
| The left is in a war against America is the thought that proceeds directly after his bullshit racist lie about being able to shoot white women in the back if you're an immigrant. | ||
| You see how all of this stuff is filtered and eventually comes down the drain, and the drain is white nationalism. | ||
| It is all of this, like, okay, ah. | ||
| What are we going to do? | ||
| We're going to come up with a narrative about how Al-Qaeda and ISIS are going to Africa to get Ebola to attack us. | ||
| Right. | ||
| All that is is in service of keeping non-white people out of the country. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That's all that they're doing here. | ||
| That is the end result and the end goal of this sort of rhetoric. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I will let Trump do anything. | ||
| Because... | ||
| I think he is going to give me a white Christian theocracy. | ||
| Full stop. | ||
| That's the mindset. | ||
| Or get us closer to it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So Alex takes another call, and apparently, this is news, China, Iran, and the deep state, they were all working together, right? | ||
| No. | ||
| And that's what led to this attack. | ||
| It is not. | ||
| Oh, hold on. | ||
| Trump. | ||
| But there's a reason for it, which has not come up on this show at all yet. | ||
| Ever? | ||
| Well, I mean, I don't know if ever, but certainly not on this episode. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And Alex is into it. | ||
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I was thinking that maybe China, Iran, each state was all intertwined and trying to throw Trump off and make him look weak right before going into this first phase of the trade deal. | |
| Yes. | ||
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And maybe there's some more facets. | |
| What? | ||
| I'll let you get to the other callers. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| That's a great point. | ||
| From your perspective, and this makes Trump look stronger, the Democrats in deep state are very upset right now. | ||
| I think they were planning to manipulate this and get this a lot bigger. | ||
| But I also see Syrian girls' perspective. | ||
| Which is that it's an escalation and it's not good. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| Yeah, so you have Alex there getting this information from the caller who's like, hey, this was just to make him look bad for the trade deal. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Unreal. | ||
| Just a random caller calls in with speculation. | ||
| Perfect! | ||
| Nailed it! | ||
| Sounds good. | ||
| Top five answers on the board. | ||
| Guess what? | ||
| That's number one, and there are no others. | ||
| Deeply irresponsible. | ||
| I'm boggled. | ||
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This has been a really fucked up situation. | |
| So this is the last clip here, and Syrian girl is discussing how this is an escalation. | ||
| The killing of Soleimani is... | ||
| It's an act of escalation. | ||
| And I think that all other things being left aside, yes. | ||
| I think that you can't really make a solid argument that it's not an escalation. | ||
| So fair point to her. | ||
| Fair play. | ||
| I told you that she used to be on, and I haven't heard her on in a long time. | ||
| And I think there might have been a fallout between Alex and her. | ||
| And I base that on how this ends. | ||
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This is an escalation. | |
| This is aggression. | ||
| You're absolutely right. | ||
| But Soleimani was hated in a lot of the Arab world and seen as a boogeyman. | ||
| I don't normally agree with Atlantic Monthly. | ||
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But Saudi Arabia, of course. | |
| The Saudis definitely hated him. | ||
| He destroyed their ISIS and their Al-Qaeda as well. | ||
| I don't know why you haven't been on the show in a while. | ||
| And whoever told you I don't like having you on the show is wrong. | ||
| I don't know who told you that, but I want to get you back on the show on a routine basis. | ||
| Please join us again next week, and we really appreciate you. | ||
| People can get your perspective on things. | ||
| It's very thought-provoking. | ||
| At Partisan Girl on Twitter, and we really appreciate you joining us. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| So someone told Syrian Girl that Alex doesn't like having her on. | ||
| Because, I mean, why would he say that unless he had heard that from somebody? | ||
| There's something going on there. | ||
| Let me tell you this. | ||
| This is a mystery I have no interest in solving. | ||
| Well, I would tell you, he did give her the, it reminded me of the Texan, like, bless your heart. | ||
| Like, that, like, I want to have you on weekly is, the meaning is inverse, which is, I don't ever want to hear from you again. | ||
| I disagree. | ||
| I think he does want to have her on regularly because she is an extension even further of these old guests coming back. | ||
| The present is being invaded by these people who Alex had left behind. | ||
| Steve Pchenik is another example of that. | ||
| This show has old-school Alex people on it. | ||
| Man, that's fucked. | ||
| Now, at the same time, while you have these old-school people coming on, you have these old-school callers who are calling in, expressing this deep disappointment with Alex. | ||
| There is a real tension brewing, I think, in Infowars itself. | ||
| I think it's... | ||
| I don't know what it's going to lead to, and I just think, I mean, if I had to sum anything up, I'd say this show sucks. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's a disaster. | ||
| His analysis of Iran in that situation is trash. | ||
| It's stupid. | ||
| He has no ability to push back on Steve saying wildly inappropriate and offensive things. | ||
| Syrian girl is probably someone who we should... | ||
| If she does end up coming back on the show, I think we should look into a lot more deeply because I know that she has a pretty fucked up set of beliefs. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I just think that this is a bad show. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I will go one step further, Dan. | ||
| Not only does this show suck, but the world sucks. | ||
| The surrounding environment of the show. | ||
| Not according to Alex. | ||
| 2020 is great so far. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| So I don't know. | ||
| I don't know what's going on. | ||
| I don't know what's going to happen. | ||
| But we will see. | ||
| Because we'll be back. | ||
| We will. | ||
| But until then, Jordan, we have a website. | ||
| We do have a website. | ||
| It's knowledgefight.com. | ||
| We're also on Twitter. | ||
| We are on Twitter. | ||
| Is that an L's underscore fighting at GoToBedJordan? | ||
| We're on Facebook. | ||
| We are on Facebook, and you can download our show if you go to iTunes or podcast apps or whatever. | ||
| Donate. | ||
| You do the thing. | ||
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Right. | |
| Do it all. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Until then, until we come back, I'm Neo. | ||
| I'm Leo. | ||
| I'm DZX Clark. | ||
| I am the Juiciest Ice Cube. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| You're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
| Hello, Alex. | ||
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I'm a first-time caller. | |
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your work. |