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Nov. 22, 2019 - Knowledge Fight
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#372: November 20-21, 2019

Today, Dan and Jordan discuss a couple of recent episodes of The Alex Jones Show. In this installment, the gents see Alex responding to Trump coming to Austin to hang out with Tim Cook, making a suspicious purchase, and putting forth a very perplexing theory.

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alex jones
13:34
d
dan friesen
41:27
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jordan holmes
17:48
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mike adams
00:05
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Speaker Time Text
alex jones
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys.
Knowledge.
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Indeed we are, Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Dan?
dan friesen
Jordan, actually, before you get your question, I am excited to hear your question.
jordan holmes
Yeah, hell you are.
dan friesen
I had an update on your question from the last episode.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
That dawned on me after we finished recording.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
You asked about, like, songs that stick with you.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
That you can go to.
And I realized there was a good example of that.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
That just didn't come to mind.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
And I just started talking about the boss tone, so that was good enough.
A song by a guy named Greg Brown.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
It's called Dream Cafe.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
That's one.
When I was a younger dude, my dad loved Greg Brown.
He has this great gravelly voice, folk singery kind of guy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
He had this album.
jordan holmes
Chris Christopherson type deal?
dan friesen
Not as, I don't know, I would say more subdued somehow than Chris Christopherson.
But he has this album, Dream Cafe, that my dad would play all the time.
And it's just amazingly soothing to me.
There's a lot of that album, but particularly the Dream Cafe.
jordan holmes
I have never heard that.
That I will check out.
dan friesen
I recommend it.
jordan holmes
Of all the songs that you have ever recommended me, that is the first one that I am very interested in listening to.
dan friesen
It's very comforting.
It takes me back to a time of sliding across the floor in my socks.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's not risky business style.
dan friesen
Not quite.
jordan holmes
Not footloose.
Why was I saying that?
dan friesen
But I'm sorry, you had a question?
jordan holmes
Yeah!
What was my question?
dan friesen
I can't answer that question.
jordan holmes
It was so long ago.
It was so long ago I had a question.
What is a common act that you find meditative?
You know what I'm saying?
Some people find meditation in making a sandwich really well, like the Japanese tea ceremony.
Do you have an act that you find to be meditative?
dan friesen
Listening to Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
No, you do not!
How dare you!
dan friesen
I don't know, maybe taking a bath?
If you're asking just about what is calming to you.
I don't know.
You used making a sandwich as an example, so it feels bad for me to be like...
I've had a lot of people who've come to me and said, I've brought up that I cook turkey bacon.
It takes a while, because I'm in the pan.
You know, people are like, put it in the oven.
It's much quicker.
I kind of enjoy the process of it.
jordan holmes
There you go.
That's what I'm looking at.
dan friesen
Or even a better example, I have a dishwasher, but I wash everything by hand.
jordan holmes
I like it.
dan friesen
Because I always enjoy the act of sitting there wiping the dishes and rinsing.
jordan holmes
Yeah, see, that's what we're talking about right here.
dan friesen
Takes me back to the days when my dad would be playing Dream Cafe.
jordan holmes
I had to do the chores.
Riding along the floor in your socks.
dan friesen
I had to wash the dishes after dinner, listening to Greg Brown's gravelly voice.
jordan holmes
Dry off the...
Plates with your socks and then slide on the floor.
dan friesen
So this is a podcast where I know a lot about dishwashing by hand and Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
And I know a little bit about both.
dan friesen
Jordan, today we are in the present day because why wouldn't we be?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
There's interesting things afoot.
dan friesen
In the world there is.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
That's what I would say.
jordan holmes
Alright, good episode, Dan.
unidentified
We're going to get out of here.
dan friesen
So today we're going to be going over November 20th and 21st, which is Tuesday and Wednesday of this week.
No, Wednesday and Thursday of this week.
Yes, yeah, yeah.
And, yeah, I mean, we'll see what happens.
Alex is not particularly interested in a lot of the larger...
jordan holmes
We're getting a real Somali Pirates couple of days, huh?
dan friesen
We'll get into it.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
So, before we get to that, though, Jordan, we're going to take a moment to say thank you to some folks who have signed up and are supporting the show.
So, first of all, Michael, thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Thanks, Michael.
dan friesen
Next, Lenny, thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Lenny.
dan friesen
Thank you, Lenny.
Next.
Jen, thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Jen.
dan friesen
Next, Brian with an E. What?
unidentified
Whoa.
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Thank you so much, Brian.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Brian.
dan friesen
Next, Hannah.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Thanks, Hannah.
Thank you, Hannah.
And then finally, I'd like to say thank you to a couple people who signed up on an elevated level and who appreciate it very much.
So first of all...
Always screaming internally.
Thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
And Sable, thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
Crikey, mate.
That's fantastic.
Have yourself a brew.
How's your 401k doing, bro?
We gotta go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, alright?
Let's just get down to business.
We ain't making that money off that heroin.
Why are you pimps so good?
My neck is freakishly large.
I declare...
Infowar on you!
dan friesen
Thank you so much, always screaming internally and Sable.
jordan holmes
Yes, thank you very much.
dan friesen
Why were you laughing when I said the name Sable?
jordan holmes
One of them is an angry, always screaming internally, and the other one's Silk.
I find the contrast to be very fun.
dan friesen
I thought you might have been laughing because you were reminded of the female wrestler...
jordan holmes
I knew you were going to bring that up.
dan friesen
...who was married to Mark Marrow.
jordan holmes
I knew that was...
Who's Sable again?
dan friesen
She's the master of the sable bomb.
jordan holmes
That's right.
dan friesen
That's right.
Yeah.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, today, like I said, we're in the present day, and there's some real disappointment in terms of Alex not talking about some of the issues that you maybe want him to talk about.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
In terms of the impeachment proceedings.
jordan holmes
That's kind of a big deal.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I mean, his take on it has been pretty consistent in terms of just being like, eh, it's all bullshit.
Right.
Why won't they talk about the Bidens?
jordan holmes
As the testimony has gotten.
More and more stark and angry.
dan friesen
It's been tough for me to keep up doing the show, especially because I have been trying to take as much time that I have available as possible and watch a lot of the impeachment hearings.
This is history happening in front of us to an extent.
No matter what direction this goes, this is...
Notable.
jordan holmes
This is shit that should be remembered, but will almost certainly be forgotten by the election.
dan friesen
It's pretty crazy.
And so I've been spending, you know, hours watching this testimony.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So I'm very interested in how this went down, whether there's any credence to Alex's notions about this being bullshit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, no.
I've had it on all day.
dan friesen
And then also, I'm worried that Alex is going to start talking about it, and then I should be conversant in what has gone down.
I've spent a lot of time and my assessment so far is it's not bullshit.
jordan holmes
No, he did it.
dan friesen
And also today on Thursday as we're recording this Fiona Hill Testified.
jordan holmes
Dropping in some Roger and InfoWars news?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I saw that.
dan friesen
They discussed how she was demonized and targeted by Alex.
And to her credit, she brought up the fact that all of this Soros stuff is basically a modern day sort of rehashing.
jordan holmes
Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
Exactly.
dan friesen
It was like, oh, damn.
jordan holmes
Oh, shit.
She is listening.
dan friesen
I don't know if that's the case.
unidentified
I don't think she is.
dan friesen
But I enjoyed seeing that.
It's a nice bit to bring to the conversation.
jordan holmes
It is.
dan friesen
And will almost certainly infuse.
Oh, yeah.
But to the extent that I have heard, because we're covering today's episode on this episode, I have not heard him respond to that, but I imagine, I mean, his name came up in the impeachment hearing.
He's going to say that this impeachment is all about him now.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He has to.
dan friesen
He has to.
I expect more coverage of this in the future.
But instead, today, on the 20th or the 21st, we get other things.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And so here's an out-of-context drop from today's show.
alex jones
Rob Dew's quite an aggressive basketball player.
He got a scholarship for basketball.
But that's a pointless factoid, isn't it?
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
It sure is.
Pointless factoid.
But Rob Dew being real Charles Barkley going for the rebounds.
jordan holmes
That's kind of a mean thing to say.
dan friesen
Muscling his way into the paint that Rob do.
Boxing out.
jordan holmes
In a certain sense, like this accomplishment that he's got.
It's a worthless piece of shit, I know.
What's the point?
dan friesen
He got a scholarship for basketball.
What a pointless...
jordan holmes
What a fucking boring thing I just said.
dan friesen
This achievement that is definitely a part of your history is pointless.
jordan holmes
How dare you make me know it?
I'm angry at Rob Do for telling me boring shit about his life.
dan friesen
So, on the 20th, on Wednesday, there's big things happening in the world of Austin, Texas.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And Alex is sure to make himself a part of it.
alex jones
President Trump is, as we speak, taking off from Washington, D.C. on Air Force One and beginning the trip, the three-hour trip to Austin, Texas, where he's going to be with Tim Cook, one of our favorite people.
I know I'm one of his favorite people.
Mr. Crazy Eyes, head of Apple that has the worst slave factories in the world and has moved its code keys and control of its company to Communist China.
He's going to be here in Austin at one of the few Apple factories left in the United States in North Austin.
And I am intending to go up there right towards the end of the show and leave a little bit early.
dan friesen
Yeah, no shit you are.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So the timing and circumstances here could not be more ideal.
Alex is already planting seeds in his audience's mind about Trump not valuing his true supporters.
And so soon after, here's Trump coming to Austin.
But he's not coming to visit the Texan.
As they call Alex in the White House, or as Alex says they call him.
Sure.
unidentified
They call me the Texan.
jordan holmes
They sure do.
dan friesen
He's not coming to get briefed on all the evil globalist shit that's going on.
He's coming to do a PR trip to the Google factory, and he's being accompanied by literal demon globalist Tim Cook.
So that is...
Really good for Alex's...
jordan holmes
If you're looking to jump off that ship, then the time might be now and having him stand up with the guy who owns the worst slave factories in the world.
dan friesen
According to Alex.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
There's no coming back from that, right?
dan friesen
This gives Alex an amazing opportunity.
Trump is in Austin, so obviously Alex has to go.
Trump is going to Google, so obviously he's not there to validate Alex.
All Alex needs to do is show up and be ignored, and he has the next stage of his breakup narrative perfectly staged for him on film.
jordan holmes
He's going to Google or Apple?
dan friesen
Apple.
jordan holmes
It's Apple.
Sorry, sorry.
dan friesen
Excuse me.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So he comes to, you know, he's coming to Alex's city just after Roger Stone gets convicted and did nothing about it.
And instead of meeting up with his loyal supporters, here he is, glad-handing with the enemy.
This is a perfect layup.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you show up, you start bullhorning about how he's got to pay attention to the true people, or you show up outside there and you start bullhorning about how he's part of the globalist conspiracy now.
He's been corrupted.
dan friesen
Yeah, and I may have slipped up there with Apple and Google because Alex...
Uses them interchangeably.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, naturally, naturally.
Everybody owns the worst slave factories in the world, so yeah, we're good.
dan friesen
So Alex, he's announced that he's going to protest, but he's not protesting Trump.
Or is he?
jordan holmes
This is a fine line to walk.
alex jones
Trump just left about 45 minutes late, so I'll be able to finish most of my broadcast, then I'm going to go up and deliver a message directly to the president.
I don't want to say I'm going to protest the president.
But I'm going to deliver a very forceful message to the president and to that demon creature he's traveling with, Tim Cook.
dan friesen
So Trump coming to Austin, it puts Alex in a precarious position.
On the one hand, he's been pretending that he and Trump are basically soulmates and on the exact same wavelength for years.
Alex's information has changed the course of history and Trump loves what he does and has since day one.
On the other hand, none of that's true.
Trump being in Austin is a...
Kind of no-win situation for Alex if he wants to keep up that charade.
Because Alex knows that if he goes to this plant, his audience will expect him to be greeted warmly by Trump as a hero and as a guest.
Maybe he'll let Alex come along with the tour and yell at Tim Cook.
Which Trump secretly wants to do, but he can't because he's a statesman.
jordan holmes
Of course!
dan friesen
But everyone knows that if Alex shows up, he's going to get the same reception he does everywhere.
He's going to be kept out by security and reduced to just yelling on the street into a bullhorn.
But why would Trump allow that?
Not going is not an option.
Unless Alex wanted to pretend he has a secret meeting with Trump at some clandestine location, that's going to be really difficult as a lie to pull off.
jordan holmes
Nobody's going to buy it.
dan friesen
At this stage in his career, I don't think Alex is up to trying something like that.
Alex has to go, and he knows that when he does, he's going to be rejected.
This is the perfect setup for the delivery of a forceful message, which will fall on deaf ears and make it that much easier for him to argue that Trump is not their guy after all.
This is perfect for him.
jordan holmes
And you get the optics of being...
You've got somebody with a camera while you're being pushed out of the...
You've got security telling you that you're not invited in there anymore.
You've got the camera.
Everybody can see in the wingnut community that Trump is pushing him away.
He's pushing all of us away.
Alex is our symbol.
We need to adopt him.
And the revolution begins now.
dan friesen
And simultaneously, there's going to be a ton of people who are there on the left, let's say, protesting Trump's visit.
And Alex can yell at them, too.
He can get all the imagery that he needs out of this, regardless of which direction he wants to go.
It's almost a perfect setup for everything except maintaining the status quo.
jordan holmes
Yes, which he is going to try and do as hard as he possibly can, I assume.
dan friesen
I'm not positive.
I have very mixed feelings about it.
But one thing that is staying with the status quo...
Is that the globalists are demons.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
They drink blood.
And they're possessed by immortal spirits.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
And the system's screwed.
Yes, you're screwed.
It's over.
We all know you're devil worshippers.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
We know you're blood drinking, child raping vampires.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
You don't live forever, but the demons in you do live on body to body.
So see, the archetype's real.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
These are quasi-immortal, blood-sucking demons.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
He's not allowed to use quasi ever again.
dan friesen
It's holding a lot of weight there.
jordan holmes
Quasi-immortal.
What the fuck are you talking about?
dan friesen
But they can be staked.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Whatever.
When they turn to dust.
jordan holmes
Fine.
They're quasi-immortal.
dan friesen
Quasi-immortal, except if you throw garlic at them.
jordan holmes
I don't think I've ever heard anybody use the prefix quasi in a way other than...
Being kind of shitty about it.
dan friesen
Just hedging.
Yeah.
You're just trying to be like, well, this is the point I want to make, but I don't want to make it too strongly.
jordan holmes
I don't have the courage to say it all the way.
dan friesen
So Trump is there, man.
The problem is that he doesn't stand up for Alex.
I think in this episode you see a fair amount of Alex being like...
jordan holmes
Personal betrayal.
dan friesen
Yeah, I think so.
alex jones
Remember Google said the Republican Party's main affiliation is Nazis on Google.
And Trump does nothing.
He'll be hanging out with Tim Cook today, who runs the worst factories on the planet with suicide deaths.
Again, I'm a big supporter of Trump.
Glad it's not Hillary.
But when it comes to saying he's going to take action on Big Tech censorship, it's coming.
It's going to be strong action.
You heard that six months ago.
Where is it?
Where is it?
And now Turning Point USA.
And the rest of them are acting worse than leftists, blocking whole groups of people from coming and...
Asking questions at their events.
And Trump signed an executive order saying he'll take money away from universities if they let groups do that.
So the neocons and ever-Trumpers are taking over Trump.
And so if you want to know why people like Matt Drudge are pissed at him, there's your answer.
I mean, Drudge links to my super hardcore stuff.
Trump, why are you saying you're for red flag laws?
Better not do that.
Hey, Trump, do something about censorship and we're done with you.
He would top-link that.
That's Drudge's message to the president.
Now, I'm not going to abandon the president, but there's a split here.
Because if you support him and then he's like Hillary Light, well, if Hillary was in, she wouldn't have gotten away with this, I think.
And I'm glad she got beaten.
dan friesen
Great.
So I told you that there's no way Alex would ever go against Drudge.
And I think that we're seeing that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's defending Drudge's waffling on this.
He's going along with basically that exact line.
And the weird part in the middle there is the bringing up the turning point stuff.
Because the people that they're trying to keep out are acolytes.
jordan holmes
Extreme white nationalists.
So in the first part, if I believe correctly, he's mad.
Because Google isn't even stopping people from assuming that Trump is a white nationalist.
And then in the second part, he's mad because Trump isn't protecting out-and-out white nationalists.
dan friesen
He's not forcing Turning Point USA to allow these white nationalists to co-opt their events.
Yeah, apologies.
It's a bunch of bullshit.
So, a large part of this episode, in order to not really talk about the impeachment stuff and not talk about anything really substantial, so much of it is just yelling about child abuse and demon vampires sucking blood and rituals and all that stuff.
And I'm not going to cover any of that stuff because I find it irresponsible in its core.
I find it to be corrosive and toxic.
Even to a point where us covering it, I don't think it merits covering.
I think it is atrocious and I resent Alex for it.
In the course of talking about that, there is one thing that I find interesting.
And I'm going to play this clip because it's not that gross.
It's not really gross necessarily.
As I recall.
But it tracks with something that we've been paying attention to.
And that is Alex's stories of going to satanic rituals when he was a kid.
We know that he got tricked into going to two of them.
And this is interesting because we learn a little bit more about that.
alex jones
You have to understand that I've actually researched this because I ran into this when I was a teenager.
And I didn't know that we'd moved to a town that had been taken over by it.
Well, what do you think was the richest county in Texas when I lived there?
That's where the money is, is where you're going to find this stuff.
jordan holmes
Of course.
alex jones
And I never took part in rituals, but I got fooled into going to them twice and got out.
And had to kick some ass one time.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
And they didn't want me to diddle me and stuff.
They wanted me on the dark side to be operative.
Thank God.
Thank God.
I didn't get caught up in it.
dan friesen
So, three things.
First, I got fooled twice.
What's that expression?
Fool me once?
jordan holmes
Shame on you.
Fool me twice.
Man, you're globalists, aren't you?
God damn it!
dan friesen
Second, this is a new wrinkle to the story that he didn't fight his way out of there.
jordan holmes
I appreciated that one.
I had to kick a little ass on my way out.
I appreciate that we just suddenly added that one.
unidentified
Went to a satanic ritual full of satanist demons.
jordan holmes
I tricked into going to a Satanist demon ritual.
dan friesen
And I fought my way out.
jordan holmes
Like Kurt Russell in Big Trouble in Little China.
dan friesen
I feel like if that was a real story, that would have been how he told it every single time.
jordan holmes
He grew up from when he was nine!
He'd be telling that story the same way.
dan friesen
Second, if this is a Satanic coven or whatever that's doing these weird rituals, I don't think that no one's going to be armed there.
jordan holmes
No, I mean, at the very least, there's one ceremonial knife.
Like, there has to be.
dan friesen
I don't believe for a second that a youthful Alex could fight his way out of a real satanic ritual.
Because the stakes of letting him out are way too high.
jordan holmes
They're very high.
dan friesen
They're way too high.
jordan holmes
They're very high.
unidentified
And they clearly are fine killing people their satanic ritual coven.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but there are rules.
There are rules.
If you get outside the circle...
One, everybody has to fight you one at a time.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
You can't gang up on them.
dan friesen
It's like Mortal Kombat.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
It's the rules.
dan friesen
Third thing, Alex is so in line with his sense of self.
He has to make sure that you understand that he was tricked into going to this ritual so he could be one of the powerful ones, not a victim.
In the scenario.
jordan holmes
That was inescapable.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Even within his weird delusions, he has to make sure that you know that I'm not...
unidentified
Whoa, whoa.
jordan holmes
They weren't choosing me to be one of the ones that was taken advantage of.
dan friesen
Because even the most evil Satanist folks recognize the strength that's in me.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
And that's...
jordan holmes
That's gross.
dan friesen
But it speaks to his psychology very clearly.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
When I heard that, I laughed really hard at the fighting his way out.
And then I was just like...
Yep.
That's exactly how Alex would tell the story.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
I was not there to be diddled.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and that's exactly how...
It is kind of disconcerting how very similar malignant narcissists are, because you could totally see Trump trying to do the exact same thing in telling one of his bullshit stories.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Just that, like, I need you to know.
I am always the strongest person in the room.
Always.
dan friesen
Even stronger than these demons around.
I'm stronger than all of these statesmen and heads of state.
jordan holmes
I am the strongest one.
Can God make a mountain if he can't move?
No, but he can make a mountain.
I can!
dan friesen
Yeah, it's upsetting.
So, like I said, a lot of the episode is about this.
And I wish I would have...
Cut some of the clips, maybe, because some of them do drift into real serious racism surrounding some of these rituals and drinking children's blood.
But I can't bring myself to do it, and I think it's just too gross.
So that's most of this episode.
jordan holmes
Jesus.
dan friesen
The 20th.
It's very heavily...
jordan holmes
That's too much.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I'm telling you, listening to his present-day episodes this last week has been...
A disaster.
jordan holmes
Is that even okay to just do like three hours of fucking Borderline torture porn on the radio?
dan friesen
Well, it's a family show.
jordan holmes
Okay, well, that's fair.
dan friesen
It's not wall-to-wall that.
There is also just boring stuff in there.
jordan holmes
Right, like ads.
dan friesen
Yeah, and there's also just stuff that I'm like, that's not even worth covering.
Or, like, I don't have clips of him saying that the impeachment is all just bullshit.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
There's that peppered in, too.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
No, I honestly don't think that this is okay to do, this kind of a show.
I'm not saying that we should...
The state should stop him from doing it.
But I think it's wholly unacceptable.
And I would find it unacceptable for us to go over it, so we shan't.
So there's not too many clips from the 20th, because it's a lot of that.
But we do learn something about Alex's plan to go give a strong message to Trump.
jordan holmes
Yeah, not a protest!
A strong message.
dan friesen
It's a protest, but not necessarily against Trump.
jordan holmes
Yeah, right.
dan friesen
Strong message.
And that is, you know how he's been going around in a tank?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Turns out he bought it.
alex jones
I'm gonna get in my car.
I'm gonna drive to North Austin where Trump's gonna be.
And the armored vehicle we did just purchase.
We just ran into it a month ago in Dallas with the security up there.
And we got a good deal on it.
That way we can grow into the Antifa.
They can't get to us.
We can deploy massive sound with a new powerful sound system that will be debuting today with President Trump.
And a lot more.
dan friesen
So he bought this armored truck.
Your business is going under, allegedly.
That's the...
unidentified
He just talked on the last episode about selling his fucking house.
jordan holmes
That's what a fucking dictator does two years before they get deposed violently.
Like, that is insane.
dan friesen
It either is, or it's an indication that he's fucking gaslighting his audience.
Like, if you can buy an armored car, your business is not nearly in the kind of trouble that you're pretending it is.
jordan holmes
That's a crazy person thing to do.
dan friesen
Well, because it's not necessary in any way.
unidentified
No!
dan friesen
And I priced this out, and it's kind of difficult to figure out exactly what he'd be paying, but it's in the tens of thousands of dollars for that armored truck.
jordan holmes
No, I would say it's at least...
If he's also got a massive sound system attached to it...
dan friesen
He has a couple of speakers on the roof and a mic that he's holding.
It's not necessarily the...
That I could see you getting on the bargain.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
That is, you know, maybe a grand.
jordan holmes
Yeah, okay.
dan friesen
Maybe.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
But I looked at the range of...
Armored vehicles that are similar to the one he has.
He doesn't have a sunroof.
He has a latch on the top of it, which I imagine would probably be an add-on.
jordan holmes
I think they have to take that off, actually.
The chassis are all built with that.
dan friesen
Even if he got a pretty good deal, I don't see this being less than $30,000 for this car.
Which is unnecessary.
jordan holmes
That's troubling behavior.
That's a red flag behavior right there if you're around a person like that.
dan friesen
It would be tough to be a listener of this show.
Let's say you really believe that he needs all the support in the world right now and you've got to go buy the products.
Let's say maybe you bumped up your donation or your sale to him.
I don't know where you find he's spending tens of thousands of dollars on an armored truck so he can go agitate people.
It's not...
jordan holmes
No, no, Dan, it's so he doesn't get attacked by Antifa.
dan friesen
Oh, sure.
jordan holmes
Of course he needs that armored vehicle.
dan friesen
It's absurd.
It's a really silly thing.
And he gets to basically expressing why he bought it.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
alex jones
That's how we fund this operation.
We've got big plans with PR, with the armored vehicle.
jordan holmes
PR is with the armored vehicle.
alex jones
Ladies and gentlemen, when I have an idea, and I know that idea is going to succeed, if I take action with that idea, The idea has never failed thanks to God's discernment that I've been given and thanks to the fact that we are working together and building the resistance to this globalist, satanic operation together.
So I didn't do this.
We did this together.
And that's not patronization telling you how great you are.
You need to know how important you are and how much I want to salute you and how much I want to thank you for buying me an armored car.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, it's very clear there.
The PR from this car.
Because he recognizes that it's not that interesting for him to show up and yell at people anymore.
You escalate the spectacle.
Alex getting out the tank top of an armored vehicle with a sound system, yelling at people.
He just thinks that this is somehow going to be like...
I'll get press out of this for sure.
The stooges at Media Matters and Right Wing Watch, this will be like the siren song to them to give me free press.
And it does not bode well.
If you're willing to spend whatever price you're paying for an armored vehicle for whatever diminishing return kind of publicity you're going to get out of driving around in an armored car yelling at people, what do you think the next step is?
Flying a plane around and yelling at people?
jordan holmes
Skywriting, yes.
Absolutely.
dan friesen
That's not...
jordan holmes
He should have skipped armored car and gone straight to skywriting.
dan friesen
Legitimately, I don't know what else he could do that would be more bombastic and more...
I'm sure he could come up with something.
jordan holmes
I mean, I just see that...
This is like...
To me, this is the version of the cult leader insisting that...
Everybody must take a vow of poverty, and everybody must give him all your money, and then all of a sudden he's wearing all these diamond rings, and you're like, wait, wait, what the fuck are you doing there?
And he's like, no, no, no, it's about appearances.
Whenever I go out into the world, I have to look like I'm powerful, and I have to look like I'm this, all that stuff.
dan friesen
It does have that vibe, too.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
You're just a fucking thief.
dan friesen
It's not a good look.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
It's not a good look for him to rationalize this by being like, Antifa attacks me and thus I need an armored vehicle.
Because you already have ex-Blackwater security guards.
I don't know what kind of protection you need outside of that.
It's crazy.
So that argument doesn't really work.
And then the argument that I have big plans for the PR I'm going to get out of this.
I don't know that I saw a ton of coverage when he went to the Hillary event in the armored truck.
jordan holmes
Well, he forgot to write InfoWars on the side.
This is the issue here.
Why is he not hiring me?
dan friesen
I just think that this is not going to work for that end either.
If that's his primary motivation, then obviously the next stage is something more extreme, and I just don't know what it is.
jordan holmes
Billboards.
dan friesen
It could be a billboard.
jordan holmes
He's going to go with Clear Channel, I think.
dan friesen
He's been asking his audience to buy him billboards since forever, so that's not a step in the right direction.
unidentified
Why didn't he ask his audience to buy him an armored car, then?
jordan holmes
Why are we just now getting the armored car idea?
dan friesen
Because he's desperate now.
jordan holmes
Because he's losing his mind.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, in this next clip, this is the last one from the 20th, because Alex leaves earlier.
Sure.
Tom Papert takes over.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
In studio.
And so, Alex, like, this is gross, man.
He's talking about Trump and how he's not against him, but he's going to go yell at him.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
Just the way he describes him is so telling.
alex jones
And really, Alex Jones bulls horns Trump.
Because, man, we need reinforcements.
We don't need Trump parading around with the ringleader of big tech that moved everything to China that's doing this.
And I'm not against Trump.
But we got Trump elected.
And, you know...
Let's say we're like the kids that got Trump into office, and we're like, hey, Dad, what are you doing with the guy that wants to put us in prison?
Hey, Dad, what are you doing with him?
You know, if you get him to do the right thing, that's good to meet with him.
But if we haven't gotten relief, and then the censorship's getting worse for everybody now, then you need to do something.
dan friesen
Dad, do something.
alex jones
Wow.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Sort of kind of what we've felt for a long time, the sort of paternalistic view of the president.
Good.
jordan holmes
Good for you.
I mean, that's what they all want.
We hired you to be the big strong man who does this so we don't have to.
I don't want to have to agitate.
I want you to do it for me.
dan friesen
Right.
I mean, it's what Steve said when he came back.
We got him in office so he could do these harsh moves.
jordan holmes
So he could fire everybody.
dan friesen
And then not answer any questions about it.
Be strong and silent.
jordan holmes
I'd rather he make the wrong move confidently than make the right move quietly or whatever it is.
dan friesen
And now Alex sees daddy hanging out with the evil villain Tim Cook.
And you've got to ask, why would you do that?
You're not helping us.
jordan holmes
I know, Alex.
I know.
Think about that.
Just reflect on that.
dan friesen
But I think he is.
I get the sense that he is.
jordan holmes
Right on time.
dan friesen
So Alex leaves, and here's a little clip of him out bullhorning at the Trump rally.
unidentified
Apple is evil.
alex jones
Censorship is evil.
dan friesen
Apple is evil.
alex jones
Censorship is evil.
dan friesen
It's just like a sizzle reel of people giving him the finger.
Oh boy.
I don't know if this delivers a strong message to Trump, but it works for PR with the giant truck.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it does.
dan friesen
So that was the main goal of it.
He put out a five-minute sizzle reel, maybe three or four-minute sizzle reel, that's just him like, ah, yelling at folks.
And then I went and watched the 25-minute longer one.
It's like, wow, that was an accurate sizzle reel.
unidentified
That is exactly what happened.
jordan holmes
It's nice whenever they can really edit.
Read it properly.
dan friesen
It's just the people there who are protesting Trump and then Alex yelling at them.
This is sad.
jordan holmes
And he's got the armored car in the background.
dan friesen
He's popping out the top of it for a lot of it.
jordan holmes
That is such Trump in the fucking helicopter.
That is such Trump standing in front of a goddamn helicopter.
God, you're so sad!
It's so sad!
dan friesen
It's pathetic!
So we get to the 21st, and Alex opens the show a little bit weirdly.
alex jones
Whatever reason the zeitgeist was so intense, last night I could not sleep for the first time ever, not because I was forcing myself not to sleep, but because I couldn't sleep, and I was not tired, and I'm not tired now.
I was without the aid of coffee, and some people can do that.
I mean, I can go to bed at 9 at night and sleep until...
7am the next day without ever waking up.
And I'm a very sound sleeper.
dan friesen
What happened to the sleep apnea thing?
jordan holmes
He said he was not.
He said he was super not sound sleeper.
dan friesen
He said that he had sleep apnea so bad that CPAP machines wouldn't work.
jordan holmes
And he had to sleep sitting upright and never for longer than like an hour or two at a time.
dan friesen
Yeah, what's the story here?
I don't know.
jordan holmes
I genuinely don't know.
dan friesen
I don't either.
jordan holmes
I don't know what he's lying about.
dan friesen
No, something's a lie.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I can see him lying either way, too.
I can see him lying to act pathetic so he can get more money, and I can see him lying to make it look like he's stronger so he feels better about himself.
dan friesen
And really elevate whatever is happening in his world by being like, everything's so serious, I stayed up all night last night, I never do that.
In my 27 years on air, I've never done that.
I don't know.
It gets to the point where you listen to enough of his show, if you have a critical eye looking at it, you will find contradictions.
And it's just like, well, something's a lie.
I don't know.
Cool.
jordan holmes
Anything could be real.
dan friesen
No, but the not being able to sleep checks out a bit more with the manifestations of his behavior.
But that doesn't mean that it is the truth.
I don't know what I think anymore.
jordan holmes
No, I have no idea.
This dude is fucking out there.
dan friesen
I certainly don't really care that much.
jordan holmes
No, he's fine.
dan friesen
So, Alex starts complaining about how the globalists, right?
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
You know them.
jordan holmes
I've heard.
dan friesen
They're evil.
They like to push the idea that one group is behind all the evil in the world.
Like, let's say, the Masons or the Catholics.
jordan holmes
Hold on.
The globalists like to push the idea that Yes.
That sentence cannot be.
dan friesen
Well, so what they do is they foster groups that are like, hey, you know what's wrong with the world?
Masons.
Everything is a Mason conspiracy.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Now, you take a step back from that and you recognize that Alex is doing the same thing, but with the globalists.
jordan holmes
He can't say that.
He cannot say that.
dan friesen
He does.
jordan holmes
He can't say that the globalists want to make people think that it's one shadow.
You can't.
dan friesen
Well, he does.
And it's to get into a very brief discussion about how Benjamin Netanyahu has been indicted.
alex jones
You know, there is a movement in the world, the globalist push, that wants to always say it's Masons, it's Catholics, it's Jews, it's Chinese people, it's Russians, it's white supremacists, you know, Nazis that secretly are dominating and ruling the world.
And really...
It's just evil groups of people of every race, color, and creed that work on the same wavelength and want the same global government post-human world.
And a great little window into that that I just noticed today is Benjamin Netanyahu, it's been ruled in Israel, is going to stand trial for bribery.
And it's going to stand trial supposedly for hosting dinners.
Over the years, at his house that the government paid for, yeah, there are big sticklers over there not allowed to pay for dinners with government chefs on charges of bribery.
Now, the Rothschilds supposedly founded modern Israel, but they have a larger goal in mind for that to use as a clash.
jordan holmes
Hold on, wait.
alex jones
Point of order.
So see, how is Israel one monolithic power?
dan friesen
Ah, you see?
jordan holmes
I have no fucking clue what it is he is saying.
dan friesen
He's saying that some people say that the Jews run the world, but in reality you've got Benjamin Netanyahu who's being indicted and it's all being spearheaded by the Rothschilds.
jordan holmes
What I was getting is that, see, some Jews are good?
dan friesen
This is why you don't turn to Alex for news coverage.
Because you just leave with more questions.
jordan holmes
I don't know what he thinks.
Does he think I'm surprised that Israel's doing something he thinks is bad?
dan friesen
I'm not sure he necessarily thinks it's even bad now.
jordan holmes
I don't understand.
This is supposed to be the thing.
dan friesen
You remember in our first episode?
jordan holmes
Yeah!
dan friesen
Our first episode ever.
unidentified
The number one!
dan friesen
The red alert in our theme song comes from Alex talking about how Benjamin Netanyahu is going to be indicted.
That's a canary in the coal mine.
jordan holmes
It's the red alert!
The globalists are making their move!
dan friesen
That's when it's time to pray.
jordan holmes
This is not fair.
It's not fair.
You're supposed to still care, at least.
dan friesen
Almost three years later, it's no longer the canary in the coal mine.
It's just like, eh, the Rothschilds are forcing him out or something.
It's very weird.
jordan holmes
Man, you just want it to pay off.
When it does happen, whenever he makes a prediction like that...
And then it does happen.
You want it to pay off somehow, not just have him be like, eh, well, that's new.
dan friesen
Well, it's because three years ago he only cared about this because if Benjamin Netanyahu was indicted, it meant that the globalists were about to come for Trump.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Even if he still believed that, he's got this, like, hey, Trump isn't helping us.
Why would he scream about it being time to pray anymore?
His whole outlook has changed.
There's much more of a, like, let's just talk about the fucking marquee issues.
Let's get back to...
All our enemies are demons.
Let's just stress on that.
Let the chips fall where they may.
jordan holmes
Good stuff.
dan friesen
Also, Alex now has finally found out about the fact that there's stories about Stephen Miller's emails coming out.
His take on it is interesting.
alex jones
New York Times, Stephen Miller is a white nationalist.
Does it matter?
Stephen Miller is Jewish.
He's pro-Israel.
His parents are leftists who were anti-Israel, basically, from what I've read and heard and seen him say.
And he thought it was crazy growing up in that circus.
And he loves America and common sense and believes we're allowed to have a border and believes it's not right to say white people are inherently evil.
Martin Luther King agreed with that.
And then this big article that came out two days ago, I just learned of it last night.
This is all over the news.
They're saying Stephen Miller must resign because he's a great patriot advising the president on common sense.
jordan holmes
I don't think they wrote that one.
unidentified
First.
First.
alex jones
And the ADL is saying he is a Nazi.
You read the quotes.
And what's the proof?
jordan holmes
All the things he said.
alex jones
He was helping take over Breitbart before he became the main advisor.
To Bannon on the real nomenclature.
It turns out they got 10,000 emails, it says, surreptitiously.
And guess who he blueprinted the Trump resistance off of?
Alex Jones and InfoWars.
dan friesen
Apparently he sent that Katie McHugh and InfoWars article.
And so now Alex is like, he's molded the entire thing.
I mean, look.
I don't want to sit here and go in-depth on this Stephen Miller story, but I recommend anybody who's interested, go ahead and read some of those articles.
You'll see how much bullshit Alex is talking here.
But, importantly, over the span of this, we've heard him say that, or indicate support for the Nick Fuentes wing that's trying to agitate at Turning Point events.
He's saying that Stephen Miller based his stuff on me and is great, and they're calling him a Nazi for it.
You see what he's doing.
This is very clear.
The type of voice he wants to defend.
jordan holmes
He's choosing his side of the schism, that's for sure.
dan friesen
And it's way far to the racist and to the right, even of just normal Trump.
That's the way the ball is breaking.
jordan holmes
Oh man, we were...
unidentified
A lot of my predictions are coming true here.
dan friesen
So, I don't know if you've seen this on the social media, Jordan, but there's a little video picture that's going around of something.
jordan holmes
Greta Thunberg is from the time travel?
dan friesen
Not that one.
jordan holmes
Not that one?
dan friesen
It's a South Dakota meth ad.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's good stuff.
dan friesen
The ad is...
jordan holmes
Meth, we're on it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Love it.
Fantastic.
I got it.
dan friesen
It's poorly done.
jordan holmes
I don't know why.
How could you mistake it?
dan friesen
So Alex has a take on this ad, which is dumb.
alex jones
You've seen the big ad that came out this week in South Dakota saying, meth, we're on it.
And those individuals saying, meth, I'm on it.
It's not a Monty Python joke.
It's not a pun.
They put that out to freak you out, to make sense.
They want you on meth.
jordan holmes
That's what I'm all about.
alex jones
It's been declassified.
unidentified
Yes!
dan friesen
See?
jordan holmes
This is what I'm here for.
This is getting back to the roots of the very beginning right there.
dan friesen
It's been declassified.
jordan holmes
That's what I love.
Give me a boring, dumb story about somebody making a mistake and then be like, see, that's what they want you to do.
Yes.
dan friesen
Perfect.
The problem that I have is like, yeah, someone should have caught that and that should have been changed, but we're on it is...
It colloquially does mean we are taking care of this.
No, no, no.
It's not something like, we do it.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
It's one of those things, and it happens to everybody, and I think we should be 100% forgiving of this, because it's one of those things where you're not focused on the outer edges, you're just really paying attention, and you're just drawing this diagram out, you're at the office, you're drawing this diagram out, and then somebody looks down and they're like, you just drew a dick on that paper, and you're like, No, I...
Oh, goddammit, I did!
dan friesen
There is that, or there is a possibility that I would even believe that somebody is fucking around internally.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that could be.
dan friesen
And then people are just like, we didn't catch it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's true.
dan friesen
I don't see this as that big of a thing, but apparently it's been declassified that they're trying to get people on meth.
jordan holmes
How quickly...
dan friesen
Why did they declassify it?
It must be something old that's been declassified.
This is now a permutation of the nomenclature.
jordan holmes
Right.
Whenever they first had the first episode of Breaking Bad, they started this whole plan.
dan friesen
Alex does talk about Breaking Bad being...
Knew it!
jordan holmes
Predictive programming?
Hell yes!
dan friesen
Trying to get you to do meth.
jordan holmes
See, we're back on it.
dan friesen
I don't know how much that show glorifies meth.
jordan holmes
It's pretty against meth, usually.
dan friesen
I think, yeah.
So, Alex yells more about the demons and the child blood drinking and what have you that the globalists do.
And he insists that he is not over-demonizing the globalists.
alex jones
And we're not over-demonizing them.
You have to understand that it is the radicalization of these people has gotten more intense because once they sign on to hate of Trump and America...
jordan holmes
Which we do have to sign.
alex jones
Well, Trump's a good guy or a bad guy.
Once that figurehead's up there and they're told, act out, go crazy, be nuts, then it just becomes anything attached to Trump.
And if Trump is some satanic weapon system, which I don't think he is, I think he's more like the Joker card.
It could go both ways.
jordan holmes
Why did you bring it up?
alex jones
Like, I don't think I know.
Trump's more like a crossroads.
jordan holmes
Crossroads, crossroads.
alex jones
Trump's like a manifestation of the group collective consciousness.
And you can see that.
The guy's like streaming it.
unidentified
What?
alex jones
Like oracles do.
But if we don't rise the challenge and defeat the globalists in this round, Trump is actually just manifesting and energizing the globalists and their minions to absolutely build themselves into a completely I
dan friesen
like how all those pauses, he's got to feel at the end, they're like...
I landed that sentence.
That was touch and go.
jordan holmes
I don't know how he can be proud of that, but good for him.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, at least it came to a conclusion.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it did have a period at the end.
dan friesen
So yeah, apparently Trump, if we don't defeat the globalists now, Trump, in effect, is really just helping the globalists.
These are the sorts of things you would never hear him say before.
I know it's not anti-Trump, but this is a massive departure.
In the way he's discussing this.
jordan holmes
It feels like he's having that identity crisis moment that would be acted out metaphorically in a movie as like two sides of his own body fighting each other and he's split apart and he's really sick and he's got a fever.
dan friesen
But the gung-ho Trump support doesn't seem like it's making much of a case.
jordan holmes
No.
No, it doesn't.
dan friesen
It doesn't.
jordan holmes
When he gets down to saying, I think he's more like the Joker card.
It could go either way.
And then he's like, no, I know it's like that.
That's because you think now it's going the way against you.
That's why you think it can go either way.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's almost paying lip service to support as opposed to the way it was before.
When he was starting to come on board with Trump, there was lip service to the negative stuff.
As he was acclimating to being a full-throated supporter.
jordan holmes
I'm starting to like him.
He's saying a lot of the right things.
Now he's still mobbed up.
I know he's still got all that stuff going on.
But you know what?
He's being the mouthpiece for the type of people that we don't hear from.
dan friesen
It almost feels like the inverse of that.
Also, yesterday, on Wednesday, there was a Democratic debate.
Another one?
jordan holmes
Yep.
They did it this time.
dan friesen
Alex does not have much coverage of this.
He complains about Joe Biden being disappointing and point taken.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
No argument here.
dan friesen
I can't pronounce Klobuchar.
jordan holmes
Okay, that doesn't surprise me.
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
How many different ways are we...
dan friesen
I'm trying to remember what an...
Oh, he said that she's having a grand mal seizure on stage, so that's good.
jordan holmes
All right.
Oh, because of the shaking moment.
Great, great guys.
dan friesen
So, there's not a whole lot.
I was trying to remember if there was any other actual substantive criticisms, and there's not.
This is really, I would say, one of the main takeaways of the debate.
alex jones
Okay, I promise I'll play the clips.
Hell, let's just start going to them right now.
Let's go to some of these debate clips last night.
Because this really was the wheels exploding, not just coming off, and just a manifestation of bizarreness.
But there was a little ray of sunshine there.
Tulsi Gabbards talks about Hillary Clinton, so let's go to that clip.
dan friesen
Alex continues his trend of being very pro-Tulsi.
jordan holmes
Man.
dan friesen
I don't mean to be making a huge point of this if Alex didn't make a huge point of it.
I don't know if it necessarily means anything.
The only thing that I find interesting is a lot of the people that I find to be wildly distrustable...
And who are people who claim to be in the center or I'm actually a liberal like Tim Pool or Sargon of Akkad.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Like those people who I find to be very right wing and full of shit.
jordan holmes
And untrustworthy to an extent.
dan friesen
Big fans of Tulsi.
That's the only thing that I find interesting about this.
There seems to be a uniformity in people I don't trust thinking that she's the best Democratic candidate, which I don't know why that's the case, but whatever.
jordan holmes
I keep going through different scenarios.
Here's the one that I'm riding with right now.
Somebody somewhere knows something about Tulsi, and they're in this circle or whatever, and they're using that knowledge to convince And then it just becomes a right-wing talking point.
dan friesen
I don't know if it's that.
I think you could take even the first part of that out and just be like, well, this would fuck with people.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's probably fair.
dan friesen
It could just be trolling.
Same thing with Yang Gang.
It's just a way of sowing dissension by bolstering a candidate in a race that you don't care about.
I don't know.
It's just weird to me how that's very consistent.
jordan holmes
But it's her specifically.
dan friesen
But also Andrew Yang.
The two of them are both really bolstered by those same sorts.
The Tim Pool, Sargon, Dave Rubin-esque types.
And I don't know what it is, but I don't trust it.
jordan holmes
No, absolutely not.
I don't trust Gabbard either.
dan friesen
I don't trust Alex.
He's complaining here before this next clip.
He's complaining a bit about people saying he's making stuff up in order to shake your confidence.
People are accusing him of making things up because they don't want you to have confidence in the things Alex is saying.
jordan holmes
I thought it was because he was making them up.
dan friesen
That's my point on it.
That's my position.
But this clip isn't about that.
It's about a metaphor that he makes about what these people are trying to do by shaking your confidence.
Put your mic down for this, because you're going to have a tough time tracking this.
And something he says at the end is one of the more shocking things I've heard on this podcast.
alex jones
I go, do you really believe it?
Are you making it up?
Are you an actor?
Because you do a show, they'd say something like that.
I go, yeah, they call things shows, but I'm covering real things here.
But they...
They, like, want to shake up your confidence.
Like, they're not believing in you.
Like, do you really exist?
You know, did that really ever happen?
Here's an analogy.
It'd be like if you caught somebody cheating with your wife, and then they go, oh, no, he couldn't cheat with your wife.
He's gay.
And the gay guy's been married twice and has four children.
That's a true story.
Somebody I know.
Oh, no, no, no.
No one's cheating with your wife.
He's gay.
Yeah.
The gay guys I know back in college and high school got more poontang than a toilet seat.
unidentified
It's a load of crap in almost all cases.
dan friesen
What the fuck is he saying?
At the end, I feel, and he does not elaborate on what he means by that any further, I believe that a reading of that that would be possible is that he thinks that most gay people are faking it.
jordan holmes
I think that's the only way to read that.
I think he's saying that gay people only exist in order to lie about...
Your wife cheating on you.
dan friesen
So much for that libertarian streak of his live and let live.
No, you gays are just faking.
jordan holmes
You're liars.
And that's another one of those stories.
We keep getting so many more of these stories that happen to a friend that you're like, you know a lot of details about this.
dan friesen
It's hyper-specific, but I'm not interested in speculating about the reality or non-reality of that hypothetical allegory.
I am interested in his position that, like, the people that I knew who were gay in high school were having sex with women, therefore, most of the time, gay people are faking it.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
They're full of crap.
jordan holmes
No, I understand that.
dan friesen
That's so fucked up.
unidentified
So...
He can't actually believe...
dan friesen
This is nuts.
I can think of very few things that are more bigoted.
Because it's invalidating of the very existence of gay people, more or less.
I'm gay.
jordan holmes
Nah, you're a liar.
dan friesen
It's attributing the bulk of homosexuality that exists to deceit.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
So then what's...
dan friesen
I've heard very few things on his show that are as confusing and troubling as that.
jordan holmes
But he's also saying that there are some exceptions, which I don't even know what that would mean in his conception.
dan friesen
I don't either.
jordan holmes
Who is the exception?
See, because now I'm just like, what's the fucking line for him?
Because if he's making this argument, then what he is saying is that sexuality is...
Fluid, I guess.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
In some way.
dan friesen
That's interesting.
jordan holmes
Then also that means that there's got to be a line for him of what's actual gay and what's not actually gay.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
What is that line?
dan friesen
I don't know.
But it also introduces the question of how could he possibly interact with...
People of differing sexual orientations if he thinks that they're lying.
jordan holmes
If the majority of them are lying.
Your default position has to be, oh, you said you're gay?
Well, you're lying to me.
dan friesen
How could you have a gay male employee at Infowars if you believe this?
If you're not thinking that he's just trying to sleep with all the women through subterfuge or something?
How could you possibly...
Have a healthy interaction with anybody while you harbor these sorts of beliefs.
And the way he so flippantly throws it in when it is absolutely not germane or necessary.
You could make this sort of allegory or this This analogy that he's making, like, hey, someone pretends to be gay in order to get out of being accused of cheating on your wife.
That's a specific person.
That's an action.
jordan holmes
That's not a community of...
It's not like a bunch of guys get together all the time and they're like, all right, okay, you pretend to be gay this week, and so on.
dan friesen
It's universalizing something that...
unidentified
It's awful behavior.
dan friesen
So that's fucked up.
jordan holmes
And that also...
See, that's just such a shitty place to live.
That points to a worldview where if somebody just said, oh, hey, I'm gay, and you'd be like, your first reaction is prove it.
That's an awful way to live your life.
dan friesen
Well, it also probably leads you to think things like conversion therapy are probably good.
jordan holmes
Yeah, of course.
He's just confused.
He's just lying.
He's just being rebellious.
dan friesen
So that's pretty bad.
jordan holmes
That's fucked up.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's fucked.
dan friesen
So, in this next clip, a little bit lighter, Alex is complaining about how everybody got mad at him for speculating about Hillary Clinton's health.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And I don't really care too much about that, but he says afterwards, far more interesting.
alex jones
Don't, don't show that!
Don't, don't, don't look there!
No, Joe Biden's fine.
They're all fine.
We're fine here.
Everything's fine here.
Fine, we're sending up a squad.
No, no, no, no, major reactor leak, very dangerous.
I gotta slip a cheesy Star Wars analogy, because I don't like Star Wars.
jordan holmes
What?
alex jones
I like to make fun of Star Wars, but I do like the Emperor.
He's very funny.
unidentified
What?
alex jones
He's a good actor, and some of the Darth Vader stuff's good, but most of it's super cheesy back then, and even more cheesy now.
dan friesen
I don't really like Star Wars.
I talk about it all the fucking time.
unidentified
What?
dan friesen
Most of my shows start with the Imperial March.
I do think that the Emperor is funny.
jordan holmes
The Emperor is funny.
What laugh lines does the Emperor have?
dan friesen
There was that one scene where he slips on a banana peel.
Hilarious.
Oh, man.
jordan holmes
I think the Emperor is hilarious, too.
dan friesen
Wow.
I mean, for something that he professes to not like, it takes up a lot of his headspace.
jordan holmes
Man, I am racking.
dan friesen
Next episode, he's going to be like, I don't even like Dune.
jordan holmes
Racking my brain.
For any moment where the Emperor did anything that could be conceived of as funny.
dan friesen
I think if you think evil is funny.
jordan holmes
I guess.
What parts with Darth Vader are fun for him?
It's gotta be when he's choking people, right?
That's the only thing that Alex can like about Darth Vader.
If he's like, some parts of Darth Vader are cool.
dan friesen
I like the coldness.
unidentified
Yeah!
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
What are you talking about?
dan friesen
Yeah, the thing that I like most about Star Wars is the villains.
Yeah!
jordan holmes
But actually, he has to!
Of course he does!
dan friesen
No shit.
jordan holmes
Of course he does!
God damn it!
dan friesen
You would really think that for him, based on his entire career, the rebels would be the people that he identified with.
The people who are up against the large empire.
You would think...
That these are the scrappy people who have the side of the Force with them.
You would think that this is a one-to-one parallel.
jordan holmes
It's really obvious.
dan friesen
He loves the Emperor.
jordan holmes
It is really obvious.
dan friesen
He loves Darth Vader.
jordan holmes
It is really obvious which side he should be on.
dan friesen
And which side he actually is on.
That's why he hangs out with people like Steve Pachenik who want to install dictators and shit.
He doesn't realize it.
I don't know how much he realizes it.
It could entirely be just like a subconscious drive that he has.
Towards this.
But it does feel interesting that you have little peaks like that.
Pretending to not like Star Wars and then be like, yeah, I like those characters that are the ones that are polar opposites of what I pretend is my stated worldview in my entire career.
jordan holmes
That's such a weird thing to say.
dan friesen
It's not that weird, though.
It would have been weird three years ago if we'd heard that.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
But now it's not that weird.
I can hear that and be like, yep, that checks out.
Yeah, of course you do.
You want to be the guy who does a radio show for Darth Vader.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
That's what you want to do.
That's your career aspiration.
So, unfortunately, Trump is not Darth Vader.
jordan holmes
Right.
He's more like Greg Proops in Attack of the Clones.
dan friesen
When Alex has had this, I'm going to go bullhorn Trump, but I'm not protesting Trump.
Just give him a strong message.
You know, maybe he's the Joker card that could go either way.
These are things that you would not see in the past.
You would not see this from Alex when he was gung-ho, full-on Trump-supporting.
And this next clip almost made me gasp because this, to me, is like a sign that things are really not good.
alex jones
They knew 40 years ago when they came out with the cell phones that it was giving people brain cancer.
Well, now they're just upping the power.
And, you know, Trump, big problem with Trump, still love Trump, but, you know, he said vaccines hurt Barron.
He said he wanted to look at it.
Now he doesn't do that.
Because Bill Gates said he told him, there's never been a problem with a vaccine, Mr. President.
That's a hoax, even though the insert says it can kill you.
unidentified
Well, now Trump says, during my visit yesterday in Texas...
Oh, no.
The new Mac Pro, a discussion of the new billion-dollar campus, also in Texas.
He got Mike Tyson on the show!
alex jones
Cook, the guy that said we're going to take all the conservatives off the air and curate them.
So again, yeah, glad it's not Hillary, but boy, Trump is becoming more and more like the establishment.
dan friesen
Wow.
I think that there is a special place for people he does mocking impressions of, and it's not the people he likes.
jordan holmes
If you get into mocking impression territory, I don't think there's coming back from that.
dan friesen
That is something that would never have happened on the show.
jordan holmes
That's crazy.
dan friesen
I cannot believe...
I don't know.
I feel like he might have done impressions of him in the past, but usually it's strong.
But I don't even think it's an impression at that point.
It's more like just...
jordan holmes
Embodying what he thinks his personality is supposed to be.
Not like...
dan friesen
That's even almost like a weird Reagan vibe to it.
It did!
You don't do a fucking mocking impression of somebody if like...
You're trying to support them.
This to me is like, yeah, this is happening.
This is a slow de-escalation of the boil or whatever.
He's trying to bring it back down to room temperature.
jordan holmes
Yeah, the crack in the armor for people who adore strongmen is once you can mock them, then they are not very strong now, are they?
dan friesen
And especially when the way you're mocking them is intending to evoke ideas of weakness.
Yeah, absolutely.
In the listener.
jordan holmes
Adding that little effeminate kind of lisp to everything.
dan friesen
So there are those signals that he's clearly trying to send.
And I think that we're just going to see this proceed.
Unless, of course, Trump comes out of nowhere, pardons Roger Stone, says that Alex has got to get back on Facebook, and then Alex will be like, oh, thank you, Daddy.
jordan holmes
Until he gets everything that he wants.
dan friesen
Failing that, I think we're going to see this trend continue.
And the other trend we're going to see continue is Alex have disappointing guests.
This next clip made me laugh so hard.
alex jones
Our guest famously also was in a vape shop and got confronted and on his first moment stood up to him.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Famously.
dan friesen
Famously.
He was in a vape shop.
jordan holmes
We've got famous once he was in a vape shop guy in studio today, right?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh boy.
dan friesen
So Alex has as his guest this guy who I think his Twitter handle is Vape Shop Patriot.
Because he videotaped himself getting yelled at at a vape shop for wearing a MAGA hat.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
dan friesen
And it went viral.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And so he's cool.
unidentified
Wow.
dan friesen
Here's Alex playing a little clip of this guy going to the vape shop and getting yelled at.
unidentified
He's a racist, stupid piece of s***.
alex jones
Stop it there.
I don't know who bleeped this, but why would you bleep some of the S words and stuff, but not all of them?
We get that all the time.
I don't think we're doing that.
This is like a joke online where this happens.
It's happening all the time now.
Whatever.
unidentified
Whatever.
dan friesen
Alex is pissed off about the bleeping.
unidentified
It's so funny.
jordan holmes
He's mad at other people's errors now.
alex jones
Maybe.
jordan holmes
Mad at other editing errors.
I'm just mad at editors!
dan friesen
I don't think we did this.
jordan holmes
I don't think we have anybody.
dan friesen
Why didn't someone check it?
jordan holmes
I was really hoping to be angry at my staff about this.
dan friesen
You're running a radio show.
You can't swear on the air.
Why didn't somebody look at this before you played it?
It's ridiculous.
So the rest of this episode is just a bizarre roundtable with the guy who was yelled at at a vape shop.
jordan holmes
Right.
Famously.
dan friesen
Who also is apparently a cell phone tower installer or something.
Sure.
Also the health ranger Mike Adams is there.
And a supposed 5G expert named Mark Steele is in this roundtable.
jordan holmes
All right.
So we're dealing with luminaries in their fields, respectively speaking.
dan friesen
It's all just insane paranoid rambling about 5G.
And I have almost zero interest in trying to chase down.
The little references Alex makes to mainline studies and UN white papers.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Who cares?
You're not going to be specific.
I'm not going to listen.
However, it should be pointed out that back in February, Mark Steele was on Project Camelot talking about the dangers of 5G.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
So the overlap of Alex and Carrie's experts, it's expanding.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Also, in looking into this a little, I found a blog run by another 5G skeptic called Annie Logical.
The author is clear that they're worried about 5G, so their criticism doesn't come from a place of trying to label Mark Steele's concerns as just outright paranoia.
Apparently, though, after Mark made some public declarations about there being 5G transmitters and lamp posts in Gateshead, which is actually something that comes up in his conversation with Alex, one of the main reasons...
That he's considered an expert.
He found this 5G transmission from these lampposts.
Like, oh, they're secretly doing it.
So after he came out with this, he was apparently contacted by experts associated with the Bioelectromagnetic Research Initiative.
Another group that's concerned about 5G.
They wanted to come in and test the areas Mark claimed to have tested, but with very high-end technology, so they could strengthen his findings.
jordan holmes
Oh, no, we don't need that.
I've already proven it.
I've already proven it 100%.
We don't need your technology.
dan friesen
According to this blog, Mark got very mad at them and accused them of being, quote, charlatans.
jordan holmes
Exactly!
You're a bunch of charlatans!
You're the ones who are liars!
dan friesen
The group ended up going to Gateshead anyway and tested all the locations Mark allegedly tested and said, quote, we could not find 5G signals coming from street lighting in any location we surveyed.
I'm not sure how much stock to put into this blog, though, since it kind of spirals out into conspiracy territory.
But I bring this up because it puts things in perspective a little bit.
Even within the community of people who are worried about 5G, Mark Steele is not necessarily a trusted voice.
If Alex were actually interested in covering 5G concerns and had any kind of decent reputation for being on the level, he could easily get some kind of actual experts on the show to discuss it.
Instead, he has his friend Mike, a guy who got yelled at in a vape shop, and a former Camelot guest.
jordan holmes
He's also a patriot.
Don't forget, it's a patriot who got yelled at in a vape shop.
dan friesen
This guest selection speaks volumes.
I don't care at all for this entire hour of nonsense about 5G.
Boiling you.
jordan holmes
We were going to scrape the bottom of the barrel, but it turns out it had a hole in it, so we've got a guy from a vape shop.
So, come on in!
What's your name?
Don't care.
You're a vape shop guy.
Next!
dan friesen
So, naturally, they have a conversation that goes on about this 5G and how it's an attack on you and it's going to kill everybody.
And, of course, it ends exactly how you would expect it to.
alex jones
And these are great products at m4store.com.
There's other great products out there as well, folks.
But I'm telling you, this is what we come from, the earth.
It's what God gave us.
The drug companies are trying to mimic this with their own poisonous versions of all this.
God gave us this information.
And I'm telling you, it's amazing.
mike adams
Dietary antioxidants, dietary supplements can literally help protect your body from the toxic effects of 5G radiation.
jordan holmes
There you go.
alex jones
There's absolutely no doubt.
I mean, they admit that...
dan friesen
So, like, yeah, of course.
It's an hour-long thing to make you afraid of all this 5G stuff with a guy who was in a vape shop and a...
Possibly ludicrous expert from the UK.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, okay, and of course it leads to, hey, you know, these are real dangerous things, but the things I sell can protect you from all of those dangers.
jordan holmes
It is amazing how the solution was right there in front of us the whole time.
dan friesen
Because I need to buy another fucking armored vehicle to get more PR.
jordan holmes
Well, hold on.
You only need one armored vehicle.
We're going to billboards next, Dan.
dan friesen
This is so stupid.
This is bad.
I find his show incredibly uninspiring in the present day.
Like, I just do.
I'm interested in this trend that you see away from Trump and the way that that dynamic is playing out, but so much of the content of the show is either, like, really, really disgusting baiting about all his enemies being blood-drinking child kidnappers, and then just some things that are kind of interesting.
I mean, the 5G stuff is a little interesting, but more or less, who gives a shit?
We've talked about a lot of it already.
I would just not even cover it at all if it weren't for stuff like his theory that most gay people are faking it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's wild.
dan friesen
That's interesting.
jordan holmes
I think what's fascinating is that I think in himself, his thoughts are very interesting.
Whatever internal struggle he's having right now is a fascinating thing because I genuinely can't imagine what...
Creations both sides of his brain are fighting each other with.
You know what I'm saying?
The side of him that is now anti-Trump is creating weird conspiracy theories to make sense of why he would be anti-Trump, while the side that's pro-Trump is making weird conspiracy theories against that.
And all of this is happening inside of his head, and what's coming out on his show is boring bullshit.
Bring it into the open, man!
dan friesen
Well, I think that there is a lot going on in the real world that he doesn't really want to address.
jordan holmes
Oh, it's scary and bad for him.
dan friesen
There's, you know, Trump isn't coming in to save Roger.
Trump is getting impeached.
He's got, that Sandy Hook lawsuit is upcoming.
You can't wiggle out of it.
There's no way around it.
The Democratic debates, sure, there are some things that are real bad, but a lot of criticism from the left is coming for those things, too, in a much more robust, real way.
There's internal criticism within the Democratic side that is probably more scathing towards Joe Biden than Alex can even possibly be.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I don't think the right wing has anything on the rest of us when it comes to hating Joe Biden.
dan friesen
No, and so I don't think that Alex wants to address any of that stuff.
And as he has this, like, well, Trump isn't going to save us realization settling in because of...
Him going to hang out with Tim Cook because he didn't pardon Roger Stone.
Because Alex is still not on social media.
As that sets in, he's got to get away, but he also can't deal with the reality.
He can't be like, well, Trump is getting impeached.
He did try and sell out our foreign policy.
He can't do that because that's substantive and that is like, bleh.
So he's got to just spend most of his time doing his tertiary conspiracy shit.
jordan holmes
Claim Pete's lying about being gay.
Done.
Called it.
I won.
dan friesen
I mean, that'll probably come to that.
jordan holmes
That's probably going to happen, isn't it?
dan friesen
Based on the little pieces that we have on the board, I wouldn't be too surprised.
Oh, man.
But yeah, so it's kind of disappointing in some ways because a lot of the content ends up being some of this just broad conspiracy shit.
The 5G stuff is like, we've talked about some of the concerns and where the narratives fall apart in the past, and I don't want to spend a ton of time doing it again.
You know, there's those sorts of conspiracies.
There's conspiracies about blood-drinking demon globalists, and I don't want to talk about that because it's gross and toxic.
So there's not a ton here that's worth covering.
At the same time, the real world, like, if we didn't cover his show as all of this stuff is happening...
jordan holmes
People would think that he had interesting things to say.
dan friesen
Exactly.
jordan holmes
We have to cover and make sure you know the listener.
Alex is boring.
dan friesen
He's not doing much.
jordan holmes
There's everything.
Fucking Bolivia, Hong Kong, Bolsonaro murdered a guy.
Fucking Netanyahu is getting indicted.
We've got...
Brexit's still going down.
unidentified
The election, the debate between Corbyn and Johnson.
jordan holmes
All of this shit is going on, Dan!
dan friesen
Yeah, there's not a ton of that.
I mean, he does say that the Hong Kong protesters are good, but that's mostly because he hates China.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Less about real concerns.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that one's not hard.
That one's not hard.
dan friesen
No.
So yeah, I don't know.
I don't know what to tell you.
This show stinks.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I'm excited, though, because I think I've done my due diligence.
In terms of taking this last stretch to really focus on how Alex gets through the present day with the Roger situation and now with Trump coming to Austin, I think we're just going to see a gradual slide away.
He has let us down.
He's the Joker card that has gone the wrong way.
But we must still rise to the occasion and fight the globalists.
I think that's probably the direction things are heading.
And I'm going back to the past for Monday.
I'm going back to 2013.
jordan holmes
I almost want to listen to that little stretch we had where it was that slide into loving Trump and CEO.
dan friesen
Well, I think that was a lot of episodes.
jordan holmes
No, I mean, not the entire thing, but when it happened.
You know, that day where it went from being this gentle slide to...
dan friesen
As I recall, the first thing that was like, well, Trump is the real deal, or I have been fooled.
jordan holmes
That is exactly it.
dan friesen
That dichotomy still stands.
jordan holmes
You have been fooled.
dan friesen
I don't know.
So we'll see what happens, but we'll be back on Monday, like I said, with the past.
jordan holmes
Yeah, thank God.
dan friesen
And that's one of the reasons these episodes are shorter.
This is only an hour and ten or so because there's not much going on.
I don't know.
I feel like I would love to talk more about stuff, but there's just nothing.
jordan holmes
I mean, Dan, you know, a lot of shows are only an hour all the time.
unidentified
It's true.
jordan holmes
They'll do an hour once a week.
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't want the fans to think...
jordan holmes
I know you feel like you're letting down everybody because we only put out five hours this week or whatever.
dan friesen
It's disappointing.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I know.
I'm sorry.
dan friesen
But we'll be back on Monday.
jordan holmes
Indeed we will.
Until then, I think we have a website, Dan, and it's knowledgefight.com.
dan friesen
Yep, we're also on Twitter.
jordan holmes
We are on Twitter.
It's at knowledge underscore fight, and now go to Ben Jordan.
dan friesen
We're also on Facebook.
jordan holmes
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dan friesen
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We're back, but until then, I'm Neo.
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alex jones
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jordan holmes
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