Knowledge Fight dissects Alex Jones’ November 13, 2019 episode, exposing fabricated claims like a "Satanic trans movement" and his dismissal of the House impeachment inquiry as "poppycock." Jones falsely ties Hillary Clinton to 2020 conspiracy theories while ignoring Bloomberg’s candidacy, then pivots to debunked chemtrail theories using discredited sources like Ben Livingston and Steve Pieczenik. The hosts mock Jones’ selective outrage—ignoring racism but framing Disney’s film warnings as anti-heterosexual attacks—and his violent metaphors for purging government oversight. Ultimately, the episode reveals how conspiracy media weaponizes misinformation to erode trust in institutions while shielding extremist rhetoric under flimsy pretexts. [Automatically generated summary]
Not that I can think of outside of like, I think it was a street vendor when I was in like I've mentioned in the past that I like in high school, I wore shiny shirts.
And I honestly think, I will say this before we do anything.
I think that this episode is a window in, a very perfect opportunity to see a lot of different elements of why Alex Jones' show is a disaster and is super terrible.
Just perfect encapsulations of many different elements.
Okay.
I hesitate to call this a Rosetta Stone because Alex calls all these fun things Rosetta Stones.
But over the course of this episode, I'm going to be highlighting particular behaviors that Alex engages in constantly.
Yeah.
And I think they're all on amazingly public display.
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But in this case, the way he opens the show is actually different than I've heard in the past.
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Gentlemen, we have called you together to inform you that we are going to overthrow the United States government, leading a frontal assault on the lies of the New World Order.
So just right off the bat, on the day that the public hearings for the impeachment inquiry are beginning, that's a real bad vibe for Alex to start off the show playing a voice saying that we're gathered here to overthrow the U.S. government.
That seems like a statement of purpose more than anything else.
Well, I suppose you could make the argument that he's saying that this is the statement of purpose of his enemies, and he's fighting against that overthrow of the government.
Either way, it's super interesting where that audio comes from.
This is one of the most notable early fake voice recordings, spoofed to sound like someone else.
In this case, it was designed to sound like Carl Steiner, the former commander-in-chief of the U.S. Special Operations.
A scientist named George Papkin took a 10-minute sample of Steiner's voice and created fake audio of him talking about overthrowing the U.S. government.
That fake audio was so convincing that Steiner himself asked for a copy of it.
There's an interesting thematic interplay happening here.
Alex is trying to evoke fears of government overthrow in his audience, whether it's the globalists overthrowing the government and his audience having to fight back against it, or if whatever it is, there's something he's doing with the fear of overthrow here.
But the audio that he's chosen to heighten that mood is specifically something that's fake.
It's the product of misinformation.
Whether or not it was benign and recreational in its construction, it's still a direct piece of fabrication.
And it's like a whole fucking metaphor for everything that he does, is that it's purporting to be real information that is absolutely and utterly fabricated.
Man, I feel like there's some sort of FOIA request that we can have that will reveal like 20 years of some mole on the inside planting Easter eggs of how full of shit Alex is from the very beginning.
We're 355 days out from this incredibly important election, and now they have the official impeachment proceedings going on in the House of Representatives as we speak.
There's already highlights of shift of Congressman Nunes, the ranking Republican member.
That is all going to be coming up today.
Dr. Steve Pieczenik, of course, who's worked with the founding of Delta Force, CIA, Overthrow of Governments.
Really smart guy, best-selling author, co-writer with Tom Clancy.
He is going to be back on the broadcast today to talk about the coup and who's behind it and what he expects to come next.
And man, Steve is like, I can't even be like when he came on the show in 2013 on the episode we heard and he declared himself in an open state of treason.
She's running because it shows how partisan it is and made up.
She says she's not going to run while she collects money, while she travels around the country, while she makes more appearances than all the other candidates combined, while she still runs the DNC and runs those conference calls.
And then right as the impeachment starts of Trump, she says the people are begging me.
Yeah, and that was something that she said when she was being interviewed on the BBC as part of her book tour.
She was asked us who's going to run again, and she replied, I will certainly tell you I'm under enormous pressure from many, many, many people to think about it.
But as of this moment, sitting here in this studio talking to you, that is absolutely not in my plans.
Oh, also in March, she said, quote, I'm not running.
Who knows, though?
Maybe that's secretly her saying she's running.
I've been pretty consistent in my position that Hillary is not running.
But everyone fucking loves talking about her running.
People like Alex love talking about it because it riles up their base since they've created the perfect easy villain in Hillary.
People out on the left love talking about it because the idea that Hillary would run again proves everything they say about the Dems being a stupid, self-defeating party.
A very small number of die-hard Hillary folks still hanging on love talking about it because they think that Hillary should run again.
Everyone gets something fun out of entertaining the idea of Hillary running, but I just don't think there's much reality here.
If Bloomberg didn't own access to all of these media organizations and he just tried to declare, I'm running for president, everybody on the planet would be like, don't care.
Look, I feel a sense of responsibility, partly because, you know, my name was on the ballot.
I got more votes, but ended up losing to the current incumbent in the White House, who I think is really undermining our democracy in very fundamental ways.
The impeachment hearings that so many said would never come are now officially going on.
And Congressman Nunes just 10 minutes ago finished up his opening statement.
It's very powerful that I'm going to play in its entirety this segment and the next.
He's the ranking Republican member on the House Intelligence Committee, was the leader of it, but everybody thought we were invincible in the 2018 midterms.
And Q told us we didn't need to even worry about it.
We were going to keep the House.
Of course, we didn't.
By the way, we're not going to just have somebody that's a shadowy thing on 4chan today.
We've got Steve Pieczenik, who did co-found Delta Force with General Schumacher and Boykin.
We've got a lot of stuff going on in the background, and I've got plans and operations that will keep this message on air no matter how they railroad us.
But it takes two things.
It takes word of mouth and it takes money, and it takes a lot of both.
This is a total war.
People talk about, oh, they're going to get their guns.
We'll have a shooting war someday.
If you don't take action now, you'll never take action in a shooting war, and we want to avert a shooting war.
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Now, we already had Black Friday comes early a few months ago, and we sold out a lot of products.
A lot of products came back in.
We're launching Black Friday right now early as well.
That to me is an indication of like whatever marketing people you may have been employing before are now an intern or also your video editor.
Right, right, right.
So I see these as all kind of like little it's circumstantial evidence, certainly, but they are the things you would expect to see in a crumbling ass business.
But beyond that, I think that Alex recognizes that he's in for a fucking world of hurt if Bernie is the candidate because he made such a big deal out of Bernie being screwed over by Hillary in the primary last election.
And Bernie, before Alex realized he was a socialist or whatever, spent a lot of time talking about he was one of the only brave people in the Senate because he stood with Ron Paul in terms of auditing the Fed.
Any audience member of his with any kind of memory or actual concern about the issues that Alex rants about is going to be like, hey, what about Bernie?
Like, isn't the Fed one of your big trademark issues?
So on a recent episode, we heard Alex bring up a story about British hospitals and making a decision that if you racially or in a sexist way abuse members of the staff, they'll give you a warning.
And if you say, continue that behavior, and it's safe to do so, they will withdraw treatment from it.
Alex is reporting this as if it's about denying care to right-wingers, which is not a behavior.
It's a group identifier.
You can kind of tell from this sort of thing that Alex believes that being a part of the group right-winger has some kind of connection with the behavior being racist or sexist.
This is one of the more damning instances of Alex making an argument defending racist and sexist abuse being hurled at people, but framing it as if he's just standing up for right-wingers.
Alex is a coward.
He wants people of ethnic minorities and women to shut up and deal with whatever comes their way, but he doesn't think that he can make his place in the market work if he's an open racist or sexist.
That fun game he plays where he complains about the media attacking him all the time by calling him a racist unfairly, it doesn't work out quite as well if he's honest about what he believes and what he advocates.
See, I find it wild that he's still bothering to, I mean, you know, there's nothing bad going to happen to Stephen Miller, and he's an open white supremacist now.
He's been white supremacist for forever, but now he's just open about it and he's free.
I think that Alex will be open once he realizes if he survives on air long enough to get to the point where he realizes like, I don't think I have any other options left.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Once other avenues of possible money aren't there, that'll be what he does because that's what he is.
But then I'm going to get to Warnings being put on Disney movies like Lady and the Tramp because of outdated cultural depictions.
The collie looks so evil that an image of a man and a woman just lady and a tramp with a baby and with the cats saying where are we finding maybe there is milk nearby?
So Alex is really missing the mark here because he's trying to present this as it being like outdated cultural norms are that there is a man and a woman and a baby.
So with the release of Disney Plus, the company realized that there were a few issues with some of the movies they've put out over the years.
Considering that their first release was put out in 1937, you got to understand that some cultural things have changed since then.
1937 was five years before our government forced Japanese Americans into camps during World War II.
It was 10 years before Jackie Robinson broke the color barrier in Major League Baseball.
It was 18 years before Emmett Till was murdered.
18 years before the Montgomery bus boycott.
It's very hard to put into words how different a world we live in today from when Disney started putting out movies.
A lot of those movies are beloved classics, but that doesn't change the fact that a lot of them are products of their time.
In order to strike a balance, instead of editing the movies to take offensive scenes out, Disney just decided to add some warnings so people knew what they were getting into.
For instance, Dumbo features a crow character named Jim Crow.
The warning on the lady and the tramp is because there are two Siamese cats that are basically just racist Asian stereotypes.
I wouldn't expect the guy, Alex, who's been putting out his own racist Asian stereotype videos featuring Fentonal the Chaikon Dragon to understand why a company might view this sort of thing as an embarrassing and regrettable thing of the past.
So in true Alex Jones fashion, what we have here is a straw man.
The reason there's a warning on Lady and the Tramp is the racist Asian depictions.
But because Alex doesn't want to directly support things that most people recognize as part of an ugly past, he's pretending that the problem with the movie is that it tells a heterosexual love story.
This is just complete shit.
There's so many movies on Disney Plus that depict heterosexual love stories that don't have warnings.
He knows that he has to defend racism because that's what he does, but he just can't do that.
I would venture to say that at least 30% of his content could easily be summed up like that, trying to find ways to repackage the argument racism is great.
This is solely about the University of Virginia deciding not to do a 21-gun salute at their Veterans Day event this year.
Their reason was basically that it was disruptive to campus and because there's a bunch of gun violence going on these days, so maybe that's not necessary.
I can hear arguments from people who love military tradition saying that the salute is necessary, and I don't think I agree with them, but I'm also not going to argue too much with it.
But in this case, it feels really weird because this was a University of Virginia ROTC event, so it's kind of their decision how to do things.
If they're deciding not to do the salute, is Alex saying that he should be able to force them to do it?
Like, if this were the government or even the university telling them that they can't do the salute, this argument might look a little different, but that's not the case here.
For Alex's position to make any sense at all, he would need to want an insane level of control over the choices of other organizations that he is not a part of.
He sees this ill in the world that he perceives.
You know, someone not wanting to do a 21-gun salute, and he decries it.
But the only point he could possibly be making is, I wish they wanted to do that salute.
There's nothing to fight here.
This is just trivial gun culture outrage bait, which makes up another 30% of his coverage in his entire career.
You know the news is real bad whenever you're reduced to being like, I guess let's bitch about Disney Plus like an old man for three hours because I can't deal with the fact that it's very obvious my president committed a shit ton of crimes.
The so-called trans movement isn't like Bob Hope dressing up like a woman for her Halloween gag, or it's not even men that feel feminine, okay, and want to be seen as women by other men.
It is Satanism and vampirism and total deception is what the movement is that's being pushed.
And so a man, six foot four man with vampire teeth on, eating a baby is a woman, the opposite of a woman giving birth, loving a baby, being nurturing the feminine strength.
So you accept a man in a vampire outfit simulating a horrific act could win an Academy Award, looks so satanic and evil.
Linda Blair has nothing on this.
You call that a woman.
That's lie number one.
And then you say that this vampire creature is the new image of a mother.
A raving lunatic, scarier looking than it the clown.
He's just playing a 15-second video of a person in drag sitting on a bar in a Halloween costume that involves fake blood and a fake baby.
There's no context to it.
And honestly, I'm 90% sure that person isn't even Sasha Velour.
The person in that video has a big tattoo on their upper right arm and shoulder, which Sasha does not have.
Alex just thinks they're the same person because they're both in drag and appear to be bald.
The person in that video appears to actually have short hair, but Sasha actually shaved their head in order to honor their mother who died of cancer.
Also, in a 2015 interview, the person who performs as Sasha Velour was very clear that they're not trans.
So whatever point Alex is trying to make here really just falls flat.
But that doesn't change the reality that by his conflation of all these different gender expressions and identities and boxing it all up under the heading of satanic, he's hoping to get people hurt.
So now AOZ wasn't at some drag vampire Satan show.
That was Sasha Velour's show, Smoke and Mirrors.
Also, it wasn't in New York.
It was in Washington, D.C. Nothing that Alex is saying is based in reality, but it doesn't need to be.
Because reality isn't the point.
Demonizing anyone who doesn't fit into his rigid view of gender and sexuality is the point.
He wants to say that it was in New York because that video of the person on a bar is in New York.
He's conflating all of this together in order to make it appear that they're the same person, even though later in the show he does indicate that he doesn't know if they're the same person.
Not to put too fine a point on this, Alex is trying to get people killed.
The issue of trans and non-binary people, particularly people of color, being murdered, is a very serious issue right now, to the point where the American Medical Association has called violence against the trans community an epidemic.
If Alex Jones cared at all about people, he could express his discomfort with trans people in more responsible ways.
But he doesn't care.
He acts like this, doing grotesque act outs about trans people wanting to eat your kids because he wants them to be targeted.
This sort of behavior doesn't lead toward people having a greater understanding of each other.
It doesn't even lead to a place of like respectful disagreement, live and let live, nothing like that.
It's quite frankly incitement.
This is this doesn't.
Do you understand the point that I'm trying to make?
Like the only path that this goes down is towards targeting, abuse, harassment, and potentially violence.
There's no healthy outcome to the bruh, they're probably satanic aliens.
I want your kids.
I want to eat your blood.
Like there isn't any, there's no value to this from a human perspective.
No, this is this is so many people are going to be viewed not long from now and are viewed right now in the same way that we view so many people during the HIV AIDS crisis.
Or even now.
Just that whole list of people just basically saying, I'm not trans, so I don't really give a fuck.
Yeah, or even outright demonization or mocking them for, oh, trans people get assaulted more in the back.
Yeah, well, you could umbrella this out to all sorts of times throughout history where people should have learned their lesson about what it looks like to be on the wrong side of a pretty clear cultural issue.
Well, it's hard to divest this particular calling something the devil with the other things that he's called the devil and the way that you're supposed to act toward those other things who are the devil.
You know, so many other things get called the devil, and it's your job as God's servant to destroy it.
I honestly don't know exactly what Alex is talking about through a lot of that.
If I had to guess, there must be some YouTube video of someone wanting to be called ma'am, and he's just losing his shit about it.
I really don't know, and I don't really care.
It's all like whatever it is, it's all the same thing.
It's just more and deeper marginalization that he's pushing.
But here's the thing: I don't know of any trans or non-binary person who acts like that, screaming and ranting with insane and unhealthy levels of unchecked anger.
This doesn't ring true there, but it really reminds me of Alex himself.
Alex is the person who rants like that sincerely when he finds out about a gun control bill that died in committee two weeks prior, but he thinks is still going to pass.
Alex is the person who screams like this whenever he has to pretend like a white person didn't just commit a terrorist act.
This rage that he's expressing is not true of some imagined trans character who he wants basic politeness not extended to.
It's Alex's rage at the perceived crumbling of his straight white Christian male-dominated society.
I know I say this a lot, but if you know Alex, you have a responsibility to get him help and probably get him into a hospital.
Trans people are being killed at alarming rates, and he's acting in ways on air that perpetuate and escalate the mentalities that make their being hurt far more likely.
If you think that he sincerely believes that he's fine to do this because he thinks they're interdimensional demons, that's all the evidence you need to get him locked up on a 5150.
If you think he's just making it up and doesn't really believe this, but still saying it on air, still evidence to get him locked up on a mental health hold.
Anyone who gave a fuck about Alex could help him right now and get him the care that he desperately needs.
But I guess they'd rather wait until this whole thing reaches its natural conclusion.
And both of you, I know, can research the facts and discover for yourself that there have been ongoing geoengineering programs happening on this planet for over a hundred years.
And by the late 1960s, Stanford Research Institute, the U.S. Navy and Air Force had certified weather modification programs using aerosolized barium salts, aluminioxide, and other particulate put out via jet engines using the jet engines to create the nuclei to create intensified ice crystallization in the atmosphere.
And Joe, 10 years ago, would talk about this.
Then he hosted a program on national television and, quote, debunked it.
Honestly, normally, I would just let this shit slide and not get into it at all.
But after that hatred that Alex was coming with earlier, I feel like we need to cool down.
I think that would be nice.
So even though Alex only challenged Joe Rogan and Edward Snowden, I'm going to rise to the occasion and discuss why Alex is a fucking dumb-dumb about chemtrails.
He already said on Rogan's show that he looked for evidence of aliens and chemtrails in the secret files that he had access to, and he said he couldn't find any evidence.
But he also said that if there is evidence of it, he's not saying there isn't, but if there is, it's crazy buried.
To the point where with all the access he had, he couldn't find it.
So I'm going to stick to the actual claims and specifics Alex uses over the course of this because I don't want to drift into some kind of absurd goose chase.
This is a topic that's so full of ridiculous, stupid claims.
But Alex wants this to be serious, so let's play it that way.
Alex's first point that he brings up is about the 1960s in the Stanford Research Institute.
This is a reference to an interview that he did back in 2005 with a guy named Ben Livingston, who he credits as the father of weather weapons.
Livingston is allegedly a former Navy physicist who was involved in weaponizing weather in the 60s, and by the late 2000s ran or was working with a company called Weather Modification Incorporated.
That is a real company.
But weirdly, in a piece about their president, which discusses the company's history and founding, Livingston's name doesn't come up at all.
This company is in the business of cloud seeding, which is a little different than chemtrails.
What they do is they fly planes into clouds and release silver iodide, which is meant to cause weather molecules to come together and turn into rain.
It's a technique that's been implemented to try and help drought-stricken regions, but it also doesn't really always work.
They can't make rain appear where moisture doesn't initially already exist.
So, some experts have pointed out that cloud seeding only really works when there would have been rain anyway.
It's pretty unclear the extent to which cloud seeding does help, but it's way more clear that it doesn't really have any damaging environmental or health to human side effects.
There's literally no evidence that this technique can create or get rid of hurricanes or steer them to attack someplace like Alex wants you to believe.
There was a project carried out by the government starting in 1962 called Project Storm Fury, which hypothesized that they could use cloud seeding to decrease the destructive power of hurricanes by seeding clouds around the hurricanes that disrupt the inner structure of the storm.
While it seemed like it was a possible approach, the science behind the hypothesis was found to be flawed, and the program was discontinued.
In the sense of controlling hurricanes, Storm Fury was a complete failure.
But scientists actually learned a lot about weather patterns in the process, so we can kind of call it a win on some levels, and it's not a huge embarrassment in hindsight.
That Ben Livingston could have been a pilot who was involved with Storm Fury.
Like, I think that that is not outside the realm of a possibility.
But the conclusions that he brings to the table and the things that he talks about are not supported by any available information.
And I need that other backing to the claims that he's making, or else I just think, well, this is a guy who may or may not have been a pilot who now is crazy.
Well, I mean, I think I wouldn't go too far to say that the people who came up with what if we could weaponize Hurricanes plan were a little bit out there as well.
So I think he could very well be accepted by that group of luminaries.
I mean, I would assume that much like the how to know when you're on the right side of history, the should we have control over the weather, I bet it's probably never going to be used in an evil, horrible way, and hurricanes will never get out of control.
A plan is probably on the like, maybe we should leave that one alone.
It's that the constant path of human evolution or human advancement does involve a certain amount of risk with the things that our curiosity will inevitably bring us to.
So the path and the challenge is figuring out a way that we can incorporate those potentially dangerous things into a sustainable world.
So I don't see any of that as being super villainous or even as doom-y as you might look at it.
Like we're inevitably trending towards gray goo.
Right.
Certainly it's like, well, that's something we should keep in mind.
That is a real negative outcome.
But it doesn't mean that that's the inevitable outcome.
He has staked his reputation that geoengineering is not going on the quote using the lay term, chemtrails don't exist.
Well, no one calls them chemtrails.
Ha ha!
High-altitude, aerosolized geoengineering programs, and I'm going to show you Department of Defense, Council on Foreign Relations, Smithsonian, the CFR, the CIA director admitting it.
There are a lot of governments involved now at the secret treaty level adding it to the jet fuel for this, quote, project to dim the planet and save it from global warming.
Two scientists won the Nobel Prize in 1992 coming up with this plan.
Alex might be thinking of 1995, when three scientists won the Nobel Prize for their work understanding the chemistry involved in the formation and deconstruction of ozone.
I assume that's what he's talking about because it involves the sky, but also has nothing to do with chemtrails to make the earth dimmer to fight global warming.
Later in life, one of those three scientists who did get the Nobel Prize in 1995, Paul Crutzen, did come out publicly in favor of exploring engineering solutions to climate change problems, but that's not what he got the Nobel Prize for.
Alex, if he's talking about them, he's conflating things, and he got the year wrong.
His proof is that this guy in the DOD said that people are working on weather weapons.
That doesn't mean that anyone has ever successfully made one or that any of this is real.
The statement that people want weather weapons is totally logically consistent with the statement no one has ever made weather weapons.
Wanting something and working on something is not the same as that thing being real.
So we've talked about this a little bit in the past, but because Alex is doing a large breakdown, I'm going to cover something that we've already talked about.
This was a news story about a speech that William Cohen gave at the University of Georgia on terrorism, weapons of mass destruction, and U.S. strategies.
If you read the quote in context, you'll learn that Cohen is talking about fake reports and how they can really fuck up a department.
He was asked a question about a false alarm about an anthrax scare that had happened at B'nai Brith the previous week, to which Cohen relates that sort of false alarm to the sort of scares that can happen when there's a belief that there's a mole within a particular law enforcement or government agency.
Quote, the mere fear that there's a mole within an agency can set off a chain reaction and a hunt for that particular mole, which could paralyze the agency for weeks and months and years even in a search.
The same thing is true about just the false scare of a threat of using some kind of a chemical weapon or biological one.
There are reports, for example, that some countries have been trying to construct something like an Ebola virus that would be very dangerous a phenomenon, to say the least.
Alvin Toffler has written about this in terms of some scientists in their laboratories trying to devise certain types of pathogens that would be ethnic-specific so they could just eliminate a certain ethnic group and race.
And others are designing some sort of engineering, some sort of insects that can destroy specific crops.
Others are engaging even in an ecotype of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves.
This list of specific weapons, like weaponized Ebola and the weather weapons, they're examples of possibly fake reports that can come up that cripple a department because they have to respond to the reports as if they're real.
This is not evidence of William Cohen saying that there are weather weapons.
He's not even saying that anyone has one.
He's not even saying that anyone's working on them.
He's saying there might be false reports of these sorts of things.
In this folder, I have CFR, I have Wall Street Journal, I have them all admitting Bill Gates is getting government funding and running quasi-secret programs, and they've now announced with aluminum salts, barium dioxide, added to jet fuel at the corporate level, where even the pilots don't know.
And then under the patents, it aerosolizes it into the atmosphere and creates nuclei, creating artificial clouds.
So the mainstream news article headline that Alex flashes up there is about Bill Gates supporting a group that's coming up with solutions to climate change using solar engineering.
I mean, you know, I'm pretty sure that there's never been any movies made in the past about what would happen if we just started, you know, messing around with the sky.
They've done some modeling of the idea and found that it would be cheap and it would probably be effective in reducing heat coming in, but they have almost no way of knowing what other sorts of disruptions to natural processes the plan might have.
And that's why this requires more research.
Bill Gates has been on this tip for a long time, and we've talked about it before.
He's not advocating that we do this, but he's funding research into things that we can do if we end up in a real serious crisis and the world is becoming uninhabitable.
It's very possible that there could come a day where the ecosystem is so disrupted by something like climate change that we would be absolutely thrilled to risk the blue sky in order to survive.
And by that point, it's way too late to research any of this stuff.
By putting money into it now, we give humanity options later, which are super important.
So to reiterate, so far, Alex has done nothing to convince me that chemtrails or a secret geoengineering program is real.
All this evidence amounts to nothing.
And I didn't cut things out where he dropped bombshells.
This seems to be all he's got, other than whatever is in that super cool folder of his.
This is the part of the episode where I could descend into a protracted list of all the times that supposed chemtrail scientists have had their shit debunked, every embarrassing attempt to prove this shit.
But I'm not here to prove it negative.
Alex's job was to show that Joe Rogan and Edward Snowden were liars and wrong to say the chemtrails aren't real.
And he's failed in his task worse than Project Storm Fury.
To be clear, I recognize that Alex is just doing this whole segment to try and bait Joe into having it back on his podcast.
I really just wanted to read something for this episode.
I was on Joe's podcast earlier this year, and I said there's a secret government program giving people DMT to map out these new dimensions and speak to these entities.
I've never taken it.
I just know about the programs.
He had a professor on two months later saying exactly that, and they just announced it, that they're doing DMT drips.
People are staying in it up to 10 hours, and that they're like astronauts going in and actually mapping these other dimensions of these entities, and the government believes it's aliens.
See, sure.
That's exactly what I told you precisely because I heard it when I was eight years old around a dinner table and on some road trips with people involved in the project.
I didn't look through all of Rogan's episodes, but I was scrolling through them and his name didn't come up, at least in the timeframe that Alex is talking about.
But I would bet anything that I own that whoever was the guest was talking about Strassman's research.
This has nothing to do with the government thinking that people are talking to aliens and getting their commands for the higher-ups and the demon world.
But I honestly, like, honestly, if the government were researching that, like, why wouldn't they?
If you have a scientist give you an exact technical definition of what it is they're doing, your eyes glaze over and you're not paying attention.
If you have them give you a metaphor that allows you to make sense of what they're talking about, Alex Jones will take it out of context and destroy the world.
Joe Rogan says he talks to aliens, takes the DMT, believes it.
But then when I point out it's a big globalist project and these aliens are telling the globalists what to do to change our atmosphere and prepare it for themselves, I'm the kook, even though it's all true.
All right, let's just go back.
Do I come back?
I'm going to play these clips, but let's start getting to Snowden.
So now, apparently, the entire chemtrail thing is about people taking DMT, talking to demon aliens who are telling them to geo-form the planet in order to make it hospitable for them to come because I guess they can't breathe oxygen.
His big segment where he's trying to call out Joe Rogan and Edward Snowden because he has all the proof about chemtrails has now spiraled into DMT aliens are telling the government to geo-farm the planet.
So Alex has been pretty consistent in his support of Edward Snowden because he revealed information that tended to help Alex create conspiracy theories.
The stuff Snowden released, generally speaking, was well in line with the view that the U.S. government was evil, which jibed real well with Alex's anti-government shit.
But now he said that there's no evidence of chemtrails, and Alex has decided Steve was right all along and that Snowden was controlled opposition.
If you recall, in our episode where we covered Steve in depth, we discussed how WikiLeaks' Stratford email dump included a bunch of customer service emails from Steve Pieczenik, where we learned that since at least the mid early to mid-2000s, Steve has been a lifetime member of their privately produced intelligence products and their publications.
A 2016 article put out by Stratford includes discussing Snowden as an example of a, quote, internal threat.
In 2013, Stratford founder George Friedman wrote an op-ed in Forbes titled, quote, Keeping the NSA in perspective, where he argues that the spying programs revealed by Snowden aren't really that big a deal.
Quote, the revelations about PRISM are far from new or interesting in themselves.
The NSA was created with a charter to do these things.
And given the state of technology, it was inevitable that the NSA would be capturing communications around the world.
Many leaks prior to Snowden showed that the NSA was doing this.
It would have been more newsworthy if the leak revealed that the NSA had not been capturing all the communications.
It seems like Stratford has a bit of a not super into Snowden streak.
They are essentially a private version of an intelligence agency.
They share common cause with something like the NSA, so they would likely see Snowden similarly to how the NSA would as an internal threat.
It's possible this doesn't mean anything, but this is definitely a position you'd expect to see from someone who is just regurgitating private intelligence company products.
So that, you know, that's a little bit of a, huh.
It fits in line there.
So now that Alex has jumped off into talking about how the chemtrails are really just part of a grand DMT alien conspiracy.
Another example is the array of technologies, often referred to collectively as geoengineering, that potentially could help reverse the warming effects of global climate change.
One that has gained my personal attention is stratospheric aerosol injection, or SAI, a method of seeding the stratosphere with particles that can help reflect the sun's heat in much the same way that volcanic eruptions do.
An SAI program could limit global temperature increases, reducing some risks associated with higher temperatures and providing the world economy additional time to transition from fossil fuels.
This process is also relatively inexpensive.
The National Research Council estimates that a fully deployed SAI program would cost about $10 billion yearly.
As promising as it may be, moving forward on SAI would also raise a number of challenges for our government and for the international community.
On the technical side, greenhouse gas emission reductions would still have to accompany SAI to address other climate change effects, such as ocean acidification, because SAI alone would not remove greenhouse gases from the atmosphere.
On the geopolitical side, the technology's potential to alter weather patterns and benefit certain regions of the world at the expense of other regions could trigger sharp opposition by some nations.
Others might seize on SAI's benefits and back away from their commitment to carbon dioxide reductions.
And as with other breakthrough technologies, global norms and standards are lacking to guide the deployment and implementation of SAI and other geoengineering initiatives.
So nothing that Brennan said in that clip can be taken really to mean that there is a program.
There is a potential thing that had been researched.
He's talking about this in the terms of this would, or implementing this would create a number of issues that would need to be resolved.
He's talking about this in a hypothetical sense.
You can't introduce this as evidence that something does exist.
No one can deny that research has been done on similar topics.
No one can deny that cloud seeding isn't something that has been done, but to extrapolate it into the conspiracy that he's pushing is completely absurd.
What you're seeing is millions and millions of dollars wasted on a process that will, I will guarantee you, end up where Trump will be re-elected in 2020.
There's no question of it.
This is the demise of the Democratic Party.
They are in a spiral of self-destruction along with much of what we would consider the deep state.
But you had on one end, you had Jerry Post, and you have psychiatrists who are trying to claim that Trump is nuts and self-destructive.
On the other hand, you have George Conway, who comes out of Yale and is the husband of Collie Conway, Collie Ann Conway, who works at the Trump administration.
He's from Yale.
Post is from Yale.
I got Bolton from Yale.
I've got Woodward from Yale.
I got Bush is from Yale.
I got Cheney from Yale.
Is there something I'm trying to get at in terms of the nitus of this civil war or whatever you want to call it, a coup attempt?
It's a soft coup because we're not using military forces and military forces will not be used.
We're not in the business of using military forces.
If we have to, we would do it.
But quite frankly, now, we are now really in the business of taking down their soft coup.
And that's what I was doing with my videos after I attacked Nansen Pelosi.
So what you see in effect is a very ineffectual, effective party self-destructing in the midst of what really is a Republican revolution.
And in fact, the reason Michael Blumbert had to come in, he saw the same thing you and I saw, which was the fact there's nobody in the Democratic Party who could be a viable candidate.
Bernie Sanders is a joke.
I've listened to him in Warner, New Hampshire.
He's the socialist.
He's a multi-millionaire socialist from book advances.
If I could get his book advances, I'll go to his publishers, but I don't get multi-million dollar advances.
So he's, you know, you've got Warren, who's basically losing it as well.
She has no credibility.
And then you have the four, whatever you want to call it, Amigas who work together in destroying the party.
So, you know, he fired a ton of people, and it led to a situation where the State Department that Steve was working with ran out of people, apparently.
So, man, Steve comes out real in favor of Putin in this appearance, which isn't too surprising based on some of the stuff he was saying in like 2016, 2017.
I've known about Putin since the day he came in because I was at Jersinsky Square in the KGB headquarters where I knew beforehand that Putin would be the head of the KGB 20 years ago.
And my own, the operatives in the KGB didn't know who he was.
So we put in Putin there because we needed somebody to control the remainder of what was Russia.
So also, in 2005, Steve wrote an op-ed for the American intelligence journal titled Putin KGB Forever, which mysteriously doesn't mention him knowing anything about Putin before he became president of Russia.
So from that op-ed, quote, what is certain at this point in time is that Putin has muzzled the Russian press, sidelined rivals or jettisoned them into prison.
He's kept parliament prerogatives as meager as they may have been.
And once again, like all good KGB operatives, he's disseminated intimidation and secrecy, at once silencing domestic cries for security reform and political accountability.
Steve in that op-ed literally argues that America doing nothing and viewing Putin's actions as domestic issues will lead to a, quote, serious problem that he describes as, quote, Russia's neighbors in Eastern and Central Europe will be justifiably concerned about political destabilization of their regions.
Huh.
What big country in Eastern Europe that was justifiably concerned about Russian destabilization of their country?
So Alex and to some extent, I guess, Steve, are pretty convinced that Mitt Romney is going to be the ringleader of the impeachment when it comes to the Senate.
We're doing a comic book mashup event where we've got Steve Pieczenik choosing the fucking Marvel Universe versus the DC Universe on the goddamn globalist side.
I would hire somebody like myself to come in and clean out that entire White House, get rid of the 2,000 people on National Security Council, get rid of anything to do with the State Department, and start coming into the State Department and start cutting down on the 16 different intelligence units that I have.
I get rid of the DNI, Director of National Intelligence.
That's nonsense.
Get rid of the Inspector General.
That's nonsense.
And at the same time, when you do that kind of firing, you set in motion an incredible counter-revolution that people will say thank you, Mr. President.
So with all his constant talk of wanting to eliminate the intelligence community, as he's clearly screaming about there, it's really important to remind you that in one of the emails that WikiLeaks released in their Stratford dump, Steve wrote to Stratford's customer service email line and said, quote, continue the great job.
Soon we will not need our expensive, ineffective, bloated government agencies.
In 2004, Steve wrote an op-ed for the journal American Intelligence Journal, arguing for a nearly complete outsourcing of intelligence operations to private companies.
He is an insanely huge supporter of businesses doing spy work, which I think is a pretty bad idea.
But here's the thing.
He never makes that actual argument on Alex's show.
He always presents this stuff super disingenuously.
The goal he's working towards is private intelligence companies spying on civilians, like Stratford taking over a ton of the responsibilities of the U.S. intelligence community.
But instead of saying that on Alex's show, he'll say things like, all these people at the CIA are doing nothing.
He'll couch it.
But his real motivation is very clear from his actions that have been consistent over the years.
He's using Alex's anti-government leanings to his advantage.
Now, granted, I believe that Steve is also fairly anti-government, but I don't believe that this aspect of his character is based on some small government principle.
I have no idea exactly why he would want private companies spying.
In the same way, I have no idea why someone would think private armies like Blackwater would be an okay thing to have.
I can't nail down the exact explanation, but I know for sure that it's not good.
By elevating Steve and helping him further his agenda, Alex is wittingly or unwittingly helped move us closer to a world that is not more free and privacy is not more protected.
It'll just be for-profit businesses that are doing the bulk of the spying as opposed to the government.
Man, that is wild that anybody could think a private intelligence agency is going to Steve loves it.
Especially if there are multiple, like, because the idea there would be like privatization means that intelligence agencies will compete with each other.
He's deeply positioned to be able to, the technical expert for a lot of Clancy's books, to really give us an actual assessment.
I agree with everything he's saying of what's going on.
But your message to the president, and also your message to the president about what you were just saying earlier, if we see some action, some real heads starting to roll, this is going to energize everybody and is going to guarantee, I believe, victory.
But right now, they don't respect the president because they have gotten away with literally like a cat in your house pissing all over the furniture.
I mean, these guys need to be whacked upside the head.
Just a small point: as a cat friend, a cohabitator with a cat, let's say, that's not how you discipline a cat.
No.
That's how you create a very mean cat.
You will break the bond that you have with the cat if you discipline them through like physical violence or something.
What Alex is suggesting doesn't work metaphorically.
It doesn't work actually.
And he's supporting the idea that Steve has of a purge, which he gets into a little bit more here, just screaming more about how he wants to fire everybody in the intelligence community.
And you know what's even funnier, too, is that like at one point, Alex is like, you know, this isn't like one of those normal shows where people talk about bullshit.
Literally, due process is one of the defining features of the West, according to Alex, along with private property, owning guns, and free speech.
The very idea that he would allow someone to come on his show and express a desire to do away with due process is incredibly telling.
You can't be philosophically in favor of due process and the Constitution and then allow this shit to stand.
But of course, Alex has been completely humbled by Steve, and now Steve can do whatever the fuck he wants on this show.
Steve and Alex didn't ever really agree on a whole lot, the more you think about it.
Alex thought they did because Steve was fucking with him for years and blinding him with flattery.
But now, Alex is much closer to Steve's point of view, wanting to perform an internal coup, a shoring up of power.
Now that Alex is reasonably certain that the president who would become the authoritarian ruler is primarily sympathetic to heterosexual white Christian males, he doesn't really give a shit.
And that's kind of like fomenting a coup to create an authoritarian state is kind of in line with a lot of the stuff that Steve has been primarily interested in for a long time, provided it's the right kind of ruler.
So now they're far more in line than they used to be.
Alex has been brought to that level where, you know, Steve can come on and be like, due process doesn't work.
And Alex can be like, I made my career yelling about due process.
You know, you've gotten to this point where everything you stand for means nothing.
The more I think about it, the more inclined I am towards the belief that Steve is very responsible for the situation Alex is in right now.
Like, I mean, he completely fucked up Alex's life is what I mean.
It was Steve who first gave Alex the supposed inside information that confirmed his conspiracies about 9-11.
It was Steve who was the first person to tell Alex that the victims and survivors of Sandy Hook were all actors.
It was Steve who helped convince Alex to support Trump by telling him bullshit stories of a coup and a counter coup that needed Alex's help.
If we're going to make it, we need your help.
If you take Steve out of the equation of Alex's show, he probably wouldn't have made nearly as much money over time, but he also never would be in the sorry state he is in now.
He got fucked over by a manipulative psychopath.
And now, because Alex is so desperate for an audience, he's got to go crawling back to that same toxic influence who he managed to avoid for over a year.
And for what?
Most of Steve's videos on YouTube get like 20,000 views.
If that's enough for Alex to go chasing and come to the point where he's like letting someone be like, due process doesn't work, Alex is in way worse shape than we were even thinking.
And who cares if this leader that we have is a business person who's directly altering the way they operate in order to further their business interests.
Yeah, I mean, that's the reality of what Steve wants.
And he's presenting it as there is this soft coup of the Yale globalists or whatever.
Yeah, I'm glad that it's such a serious thing that we need to do all of this stuff that's counter to what our institutions are based on operating as in order to eliminate this threat.
Bill Clinton was on that plane more often than I could be on United Airlines.
Again, bonus miles.
Bill Clinton was highly compromised.
He's a coward.
He's corrupt.
I've known about Clinton since 1988 before he ran when my operatives in Taiwan said this man was bought off by the mainland Chinese.
Then my CIA operatives came when he won the election against Bush and said to me, I asked him, how could this guy Clinton, who came in third in New Hampshire, be able to be president of the United States?
And they said he robbed the election.
You have corruption permeating throughout.
It doesn't matter whether you're Democrat or Republican.
I just don't like things that say everything's wonderful.
Stick with the plan.
Trump's invincible.
They're all about to go to prison.
And then year after year, it doesn't happen.
And the things aren't true when we're really working and really getting things done and exposing moles in the White House.
And you have the bona fitis.
And then it becomes, well, there's this nebulous thing that's like Imperial that you've got to bow down to, and it's a 4chan board.
That's all I'm saying is people need to know that Trump is in perilous times and that he needs to be pressured to take action, as you said, because that's who can take the action is the president, not some mythical thing telling you that action's been taken when it hasn't been taken.
I thought it was crazy, but him just being like a fun, like usual suspect's kind of crazy where he's just playing grab bag word games and having a grand old time.
Now that we've wrapped up with the clips, I want to explain to you why I think that this episode is such a good demonstration of the holistic awfulness of Alex's show.
Throughout this episode, we've seen a very clear example of five distinct behaviors that Alex engages in regularly that are destructive to the public consciousness and discourse.
The first is that he creates narratives completely and totally out of thin air that are separate from reality.
We saw this in Alex's insistence that Hillary Clinton is secretly running for president and has announced that she is.
This isn't real, but Alex needs it to be real because it's easier for him to work against this imagination of Hillary than it is for him to create a whole new villain out of Elizabeth Warren or to try and figure out how to thread the needle about Bernie.
Like, it's just too difficult for him.
Hillary Clinton is an evergreen bad guy, so he creates a fictional reality that people get to live in.
The second is whitewashing and straw manning for racism.
We saw this in Alex yelling about Disney, putting warnings on their movies about racist content, which he pretended were warnings about heteronormative content.
We further saw this in the way he turned a story about that Bristol hospital withdrawing treatment for racists into a story about denying care for right-wingers.
This is a clear pattern that he has of whitewashing, straw manning for racism, turning them into different issues so the audience is comfortable in supporting racism, pretending they're doing something else.
Yeah, with that one, what I find so clear now is just that I don't even know if he's, he might just be doing this reflexively, and it may have been a conscious thing at first, but now I just see him as like actually associating those two together.
The third element is overt, unhinged, and completely wrathful bigotry.
His screaming about trans people or drag performers being satanic aliens is a level of hate that is so far past what any decent person would consider acceptable.
His claims that he's not a bigot, you know, he does.
He claims that.
But what he's doing flies so far past just hate speech.
It's outright incitement.
And it's important for people to understand that element to his rhetoric.
The fourth thing is that Alex is a dumb fuck conspiracy theorist, but he's super smug about those things.
And he pretends that he's proved everything when in reality, he's just making that shit up.
He's a wizard of Oz, hiding behind imaginary folders full of evidence he'll never show you.
Alex seduces his audience into believing he knows what he's talking about with that mystery folder and a couple of headlines that appear to be in line with his conspiracies, but definitely aren't.
As a sub point on this one, we also see how Alex is very often using his conspiracy theories that he spreads for his own selfish purposes.
The only reason he did that whole dumb chemtrail segment is because he wants to go back on Rogan's podcast because he needs to get more listeners so he doesn't go broke.
He's been so enabled and rewarded for this sort of confrontational bullshit behavior in the past that it makes total sense that he would do something like this again.
The last element is platforming dangerous lunatics.
Steve Pieczenik is completely insane.
He masquerades around as an expert.
In just this episode, these are the things he's put forth while being presented as a respectable, credible source.
Epstein isn't dead.
Putin is super awesome and Russia should have Crimea.
The entire State Department should be fired.
Trump should eliminate the intelligence community.
Melania should be made national security advisor.
Trump gets to be as corrupt as he wants because he's a businessman.
We should get rid of due process.
And Trump needs to ruthlessly shore up power over all areas of the government.
A person advocating stuff like this is an insane extremist.
They are supporting positions that are in direct contradiction to the foundations of our government's constitution and are the exact sorts of things you might expect to hear from someone who's trying to install a dictator.
But instead of presenting the situation honestly, it's presented as if the things you're pushing for are actually in support of democracy and the will of the people.
This is very basic propaganda stuff.
You install a strongman dictator by creating the perception that a greater evil exists that only a strongman dictator can defeat.
These are the five elements that are so consistent through Alex's career that are put on stark display on this November 13th episode.
And I recognize Alex Jones is not the most relevant person in the world right now.
His reach isn't nearly what it was in past years, and all indications seem to suggest that he's going broke.
And that's fair, but I don't think that it makes this any less concerning.
These five bullet points are not unique to Alex.
And the thing is, this is like, it's not like this is some kind of a special episode where Alex decided to play the hits.
Most of his show contains most or all of these elements.
It was just particularly glaring when I was listening to this episode today, so I felt it would be worthwhile to bring an added focus to it.
These are consistent and regular planks of his programming, and they're all toxic to the health of public discourse.
Alex Jones going off air won't solve any of these problems.
They've gone far too mainstream at this point.
And you see these same patterns in countless other conspiracy and extremist shows.
I could be incredibly wrong about this, but imagining that any single one of those outlets going away isn't going to do any good.
You know, it's just not.
But understanding how they operate and why they operate the way they do seems like it might be a way to take power out of this propaganda.
Yeah.
So, you know, I just wanted to put that bow on this and reflect a little that, you know, it's so obvious to me on this episode the specific discrete things that are being done.
It's almost even segmentation.
You know, like, because there is the portion where he's doing the race straw manning.
To your point about getting rid of these media empires created solely to push this kind of propaganda, I think that goes right back to where we are with weather weapon research and that that is the logical endpoint of our curiosity.
It is not going to, it is not going to just go away the issue because it's there.
You know, it would probably do more harm than good.
Whereas, you know, everyone doing some deep soul searching about how you use X technology, everybody doing some hard work, maybe.
Maybe it's not that hard on understanding how this manipulation works could go a long way towards allowing this to still exist in the world and decreasing the possibility that it can be effectively used for evil ends.
One thing I like about Steve's laundry list of things that he would prefer in a government is that it seems like if somebody else gives you one of those same things that they would desire, you know, if somebody's like, I want Trump to have the, to control and fire people and be more ruthless, you can guess that they're also on board with a few of the other ones.
So as wacky and fun as some of the Steve coming back is, there's real fucking messed up things that he's suggesting and pushing on the show.
And Alex is seconding and allowing to be presented as credible, which is a real fucking mess.
And I hate it, but at the same time, I would be lying if I said that it wasn't way more fun to listen to this episode.
Not the part where he's yelling about trans people being demons, but like the part where Steve is on is so much more listenable than so much of his show.