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Oct. 21, 2019 - Knowledge Fight
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#358: October 18, 2019

Today, Dan and Jordan poke around the present day on The Alex Jones Show to see what's going on. In this installment, they find Alex bragging about maybe possibly stopping a potential assassination attempt, waxing nostalgic for the days of trains, and being unable to take any phone calls.

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alex jones
15:55
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dan friesen
55:08
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jordan holmes
20:10
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alex jones
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys.
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
Dan and Jordan.
knowledge fight need money Andy in Kansas stop it Andy in Kansas it's time to pray Andy in Kansas you're on the air thanks for holding us I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody!
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
unidentified
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Indeed we are.
dan friesen
Jordan.
I beat you to it, Jordan.
jordan holmes
Nah, I think I finished first.
My name's longer, though, so it's...
dan friesen
And my name is in your name.
jordan holmes
It is true.
dan friesen
Yes, I'm gonna keep bringing that up.
jordan holmes
Is this our question?
dan friesen
Keep bringing that up obsessively.
jordan holmes
I think so.
I think it's a good idea.
Dan and Jordan.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I gotcha.
dan friesen
And then Jordan is inside Jordana, like Jordana Brewster.
jordan holmes
I do remember Jordana Brewster.
dan friesen
From the Fast and Furious movies.
jordan holmes
I thought that was from Punky Brewster.
dan friesen
No, that's Soleil Moonfry.
jordan holmes
Ah, I gotcha.
All right, so that's not Paget Brewster.
dan friesen
No, that's someone else.
Is that your question?
jordan holmes
Yes, it is.
Okay.
Who's Paget Brewster?
I'm joking.
I love Paget Brewster.
Fantastic.
She was in The Thrilling Adventure Hour.
She's perfect.
She was in Andy Richter Controls the Universe.
dan friesen
Great.
jordan holmes
Come on, Dan.
dan friesen
So you've asked yourself a question.
jordan holmes
Anyways, Dan, quick question.
I was thinking about this because of news of the day.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Have you ever had a conflict of interest?
Have you ever been in a position to have a conflict of interest?
Do you know what I'm saying?
dan friesen
The most I can think is when I used to manage a movie theater back in my younger days, I was friends with some of the employees.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And so I think there's probably a bit of a conflict of interest there.
It's tough to discipline.
Right, I can see that.
But at the same time, you might have to write somebody up who's your friend.
Yeah.
unidentified
Or at least there's friendly relations.
dan friesen
Because I was a concessionist and then a projectionist along.
Alongside these people and then got promoted to management.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
And so there's, you know, two weeks ago I was just...
jordan holmes
So the tension between labor and management soon became very real for you.
dan friesen
It never really got that bad.
jordan holmes
It was a movie theater in small town.
Yeah.
dan friesen
There was never a crisis of conflict of interest.
But certainly, I think I'm a 35-year-old man now.
I can look back on how I behaved as a 19-year-old movie theater manager, and I can say I probably was far more lenient.
I probably treated people differently.
jordan holmes
Okay, all right, all right.
dan friesen
People I liked and were my friends.
jordan holmes
Due to a conflict of interest, perhaps.
dan friesen
Yeah, probably.
I never got to an abuse of authority.
I never fired anybody or did anything like that just because I didn't like somebody.
But I probably was ruder.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, I mean, yeah.
You were Stanford Prisoner experimented, I suppose.
Something along those lines.
dan friesen
It was a weird period of time.
The idea that, like, three people who weren't even out of college age were running an entire theater without a general manager for at least a couple-month stretch of time.
jordan holmes
That's very funny.
dan friesen
Yeah, it was bizarre.
jordan holmes
That's weird.
dan friesen
But we did the best we could, and it didn't go out of business, so that's great.
jordan holmes
You guys are, like, hiring ad firms and trying to get Don Draper pitched.
dan friesen
I mean, not far off.
Certainly not that high level.
A lot of those decisions were probably made at corporate level.
But in terms of reordering supplies and putting in work orders.
jordan holmes
Really?
dan friesen
Yeah, scheduling movies, renting the films from the companies to play.
There was a lot of admin.
jordan holmes
Were they trying to soft-close that movie theater?
unidentified
They might have been.
jordan holmes
Let's see if they fuck it up enough where we can just burn it down for insurance.
dan friesen
Low-key, they might have been.
But they failed.
jordan holmes
Take that.
dan friesen
We rose to the challenge.
jordan holmes
Take that.
We had one last dance-off to save the theater!
dan friesen
I guess the other conflict of interest was I hated corporate.
jordan holmes
That's not a conflict of interest.
dan friesen
No, that's pretty consistent in middle management positions.
I think that's normal.
So, I know a little bit about conflicts of interest and a ton about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
And I don't know anything about either, Dan.
dan friesen
And that is the rub of the show.
Today, Jordan, I have a little bit of an apology, maybe.
I'm not entirely sure if it qualifies as an apology.
It doesn't.
I don't feel great that we have three present day episodes in a row.
jordan holmes
Right, I understand.
dan friesen
We're coming in with a 2019 episode.
And I should give an explanation.
Because everybody likes it when I'm dumb, you know?
jordan holmes
What are you talking about?
You're losing your mind.
dan friesen
It's fun to celebrate when I do something dumb.
jordan holmes
Dan, 95% of the time you apologize, you should not be apologizing.
dan friesen
I had it in my mind that the last 2013 episode that we had done was the 19th.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
So, when I sat down to prepare what would have been today's episode, I accidentally did the day after that.
Right.
jordan holmes
Ruining two hours of my time.
unidentified
Maybe.
jordan holmes
Not even.
dan friesen
So I had prepared the wrong episode.
So obviously when it came time to record, we did not have the right episode ready.
So we jump into the present day, which we've got ready for you.
And we'll be going over October 18th, 2019, which is Friday of last week.
jordan holmes
Good year.
dan friesen
Real fun time.
One of the reasons I chose this date to look into and to check was because the night before the 17th, Thursday.
Was the night that Donald Trump was in Dallas for his rally, and Alex Jones was on scene.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
He attended the rally.
So I figured Alex would have some weird nonsense to get into, and he does not disappoint.
He's pretty...
Pretty messy.
unidentified
All right, good.
dan friesen
So, we'll get to that in just a moment, but first, we've got to take a moment to say thank you to some people who have signed up and are supporting the show.
So, first of all, I apologize in advance.
I'm probably mispronouncing this, but I think it's Name.
N-A-I-M-H.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Thank you, Name.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Name.
dan friesen
Next, Tom.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Tom.
dan friesen
Next, Brendan.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Thank you, Brendan.
dan friesen
Next, Nicholas.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Thank you, Nicky.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Nicholas.
unidentified
Nicky.
jordan holmes
Don't.
You don't know him.
dan friesen
No, I don't.
jordan holmes
Or her.
dan friesen
No, it's true.
Next, Matt.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Matt.
dan friesen
And finally, I'd like to say thank you to somebody who joined up on an elevated level.
We appreciate that very much.
So, Jonathan G., thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
Crikey, mate.
That's fantastic.
Have yourself a brew.
How's your 401k doing, bro?
We gotta go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, alright?
Let's just get down to business.
We ain't making that money off that heroin.
Why are you pimps so good?
My neck is freakishly large.
I declare...
Infowar on you.
dan friesen
Thank you so much, Jonathan G. Yes, thank you very much, Jonathan G. If you're out there listening, you're thinking, hey, I like this show, I like what these gents do, I'd like to support their efforts in whatever this is.
If you're feeling that way, you can do that by going to our website, knowledgefight.com, clicking the button that says support the show, we would appreciate it.
jordan holmes
It'd be lovely.
dan friesen
You have been looking at me like I'm a little bit loopy, and I might be.
jordan holmes
I don't recall looking at you like that.
Have I been looking at you like that?
dan friesen
Maybe I'm just getting that sense.
jordan holmes
I think you're getting that sense because I might actually be a little loopy.
dan friesen
I think we might both be.
jordan holmes
It's entirely possible.
dan friesen
I did a tough night's sleep last night.
jordan holmes
It's been a weird few days, yeah.
dan friesen
You yourself are loopy, so that'll factor in, and we're going to make it through this.
jordan holmes
Let's ride the lightning.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, we start off today's episode here, the 18th of 2019, with Alex.
Almost feeling like, eh, impeachment's probably gonna happen.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So if it's gonna happen, if it's gonna happen, we, by we he means his weirdo friends, have to start dealing with what happens next.
jordan holmes
I don't want to know what he thinks.
alex jones
They are definitely trying to remove the president right now.
Yeah, no shit.
The aftermath of what will happen if they're able to successfully remove him.
A lot of nationalists and conservatives and Christians and libertarians think that President Trump is invincible.
And I tell you, if you believe that, I think you're living in a bubble.
We're going to open the phones up on that subject today.
jordan holmes
Who are you?
alex jones
I understand why Matt Drudge is running a lot of stories that show Trump in danger.
Because Trump is in danger.
dan friesen
So you can see Alex has now started to recognize the shift in Drudge's coverage.
jordan holmes
How dare you acknowledge reality?
How dare you?
dan friesen
Don't say that.
jordan holmes
This is like breaking the fourth wall.
dan friesen
Don't say that.
He's not recognizing reality.
jordan holmes
In a sense, too much, too close to hope.
dan friesen
No, because what he's doing is he's saying that Drudge is running these stories in order to wake up Trump.
So he's still living in a little bit of a delusional...
jordan holmes
Naturally.
dan friesen
Yeah.
He's still trying to hedge it as like, Drudge is still 100% on the team, don't worry about it, when he has no idea what's going on.
No one does.
That's why all these right-wing blogs and publications are going through their motions of like, have we lost our guy?
Is Drudge turning?
Who cares?
Anyway, if you think that Trump is invincible, you live in a damn bubble.
jordan holmes
You're right.
dan friesen
I agree.
And Alex has lived in that bubble for quite a while.
jordan holmes
I was going to say, he's lived exactly in that bubble for a long time.
dan friesen
He later gives one example of a person who he thinks Trump is invincible.
jordan holmes
And stares into a mirror for a while and then just lets it go.
dan friesen
I'll give you one hint about who this person is.
jordan holmes
Oh, God.
dan friesen
He was dating a Nazi.
jordan holmes
Sandra Bullock?
dan friesen
Hey, now.
Jesse James.
Jesse James is apparently, he thinks that Trump is invincible.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So that's good.
Jesse James apparently lives in a bubble by the transitive property of Alex's words.
And, you know, a lot of conservatives live in bubbles.
But you know who doesn't?
Alex's audience.
jordan holmes
How dare you?
alex jones
A lot of conservatives live in their own bubble.
Not as much as...
Leftists do.
They live in an insane asylum bubble.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
But they do live in their own bubble.
And you need to get outside of that bubble sometimes.
And I know our listeners do.
That's why we're activist, nationalist, Christian patriots, most of us.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's getting out of the bubble.
alex jones
Libertarians want to be free, common sense, folks.
I'm not saying somebody's bad out there if they don't believe in God.
That's your issue.
dan friesen
That's your issue.
jordan holmes
That's literally something that he has said over and over and over again, that you are bad if you do not believe in God.
dan friesen
Two days prior to this, he did an hour about how God is the only way to defeat the globalists.
He did an evangelical tent sermon.
jordan holmes
It's your issue, Dan.
It's your issue.
It's not me.
I'm just out here telling people to get outside their bubble, Dan.
Me, Alex Jones.
dan friesen
Also, by the way, that framing of it is even like...
You know, off.
Because it's still saying that, like, if you don't have the same religious beliefs as me, that's your issue.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's an issue.
dan friesen
That's your problem.
jordan holmes
Look, look, we can all work through our issues.
Maybe you get some therapy or something like that, and you'll find your way into the Lord.
But until then, it's just an issue.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's implicitly, like, Christian supremacist.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's implied within the framework.
unidentified
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
Yeah, which is great.
jordan holmes
Yeah, love it.
dan friesen
Yeah, but look, the thing is that Trump...
Like, his rhetoric is...
I mean, I don't know how you'd describe it, but...
jordan holmes
Vicious.
unidentified
Ooh.
jordan holmes
Vile.
dan friesen
It's not how Alex goes.
jordan holmes
Bilious.
Ooh.
Deceitful.
dan friesen
Did you get Lionel's the source?
jordan holmes
I'm working on it.
dan friesen
What's going on here?
Alex has a different description that he uses.
alex jones
I've supported Trump because I know he's for real, and I know he wants to reboot the nation.
jordan holmes
Read his golf courses.
alex jones
He's got the power to stop the censorship that's racketeering, election meddling.
He's got the power.
To go up to the deep state.
And really, his rhetoric is basically perfect.
He gave him about a 99. My bad.
dan friesen
That's not perfect.
alex jones
And his action is about a 90. I mean, when you talk about pulling us out of these wars and trying to reroute the economy and trying to build the wall, they've built quite a bit of it.
The Border Patrol asked them to replace the hundreds of miles that was basically Swiss cheese, like an old shot-up road sign.
You know, if somebody shot up 100 road signs of the town and...
Money got funded for new road signs and they replaced the ones that were shot up.
You wouldn't say, oh, the county robbed everybody.
They didn't replace one new sign.
Because they replaced the hundred plus that were shot by shotguns.
So I want to defend Trump, but he's in that position where he could really devastate them if he just took a few more steps.
dan friesen
Yeah, I feel like he did a total power grab.
He could totally devastate the country.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
He could really devastate the libs if he shored up power, dissolved the Republic.
dan friesen
Crushing victory.
jordan holmes
Absolutely put Alex back on Facebook.
I believe that's what he's really going for.
dan friesen
Crushing victory, that would be.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
So Alex has this interesting idea about the customs and border patrol just being like, we've got to fix these hundreds of miles of fence.
And that's why there's no more fence being built.
It's because they're like, I know...
Build the wall.
I know.
jordan holmes
Right.
unidentified
But he is.
jordan holmes
He's got to repair the wall first.
dan friesen
So on August 30th, 2019, PolitiFact put out an analysis of how the old building the wall thing was going.
jordan holmes
How's it going?
dan friesen
Seeing as it was one of the two main things that people chanted at Trump rallies on the run-up to the 2016 election, it seems like this should be, you know, how it's going, that should be a good gauge of how effective Trump has been as president.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, Hillary's been in prison for about three years now, so I assume we're doing great.
dan friesen
I mean, that Lock Her Up chant, that was just pandering.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Even by Trump's admission.
So, like, it becomes even more important to see how he's doing with the other chant.
jordan holmes
Yeah, the one that's real!
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Kill the...
Wait, what?
dan friesen
Before Trump took office, there was about 654 miles of, quote, primary barrier along the wall, like fences.
Now, three years later, no additional miles have been built.
All that Trump has achieved is replacing approximately 60 miles of fence.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Not these hundreds of miles that Alex is referring to that need to be replaced.
About 60. Customs and Border Protection have received $6.2 billion to supposedly build state-of-the-art walls, but none of it has actually been built.
Alex should be against this because it's an absurd level of financial malfeasance, but also because a lot of that money, those billions of dollars, you know where it came from?
A lot of it came from the Treasury Forfeiture Fund.
You know, the money that's taken from people when they're arrested or is seized by the IRS.
I really thought he was super against that.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah.
dan friesen
He certainly was.
jordan holmes
I mean, you know.
unidentified
Oh, well.
jordan holmes
Strange bedfellows and such.
dan friesen
What are you going to do?
jordan holmes
What are you going to do?
You got to get that wall built.
dan friesen
Yeah.
As we've discussed a number of times, even if Trump wanted to make this wall, he legitimately couldn't.
The border runs across a lot of private property, the owners of which have said they're not interested in selling or allowing a wall to be built on their property.
So you need to have all kinds of imminent domain cases that just never would work out.
And that's not even to mention the 118 miles of border that's inside Big Bend National Park, which you can never get approval to build a wall in.
If Alex wants to hang his hat on a guy allocating billions of dollars to fix a couple miles of fencing, I guess that's his prerogative.
But I feel like if you do that, you're setting the bar insanely low.
Like, isn't Trump supposed to be this overpowered, conquering leader?
jordan holmes
I really need there to be some sort of rhetorical referee who could just have jumped in the moment he said that.
With a whistle and just been like, moving the goalposts, remove 10 minutes from your show.
dan friesen
Foul.
jordan holmes
Continue, yeah.
dan friesen
Get a red card on him.
jordan holmes
No kidding, yeah.
dan friesen
So, like I mentioned, Trump was in Dallas because he was down there to scout locations for the fence.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
I assume.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
He had his rally.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And Alex was in attendance, which he speaks about in this next clip.
alex jones
We may get a few guests on briefly that were at the big Trump rally in Dallas last night.
dan friesen
Spoiler alert, he does not.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
alex jones
Because they're eyewitnesses to a lot of what transpired and went on.
It was a circus.
And I was there.
I did not even intend to be riding around in an armored vehicle with a turret on the top.
But the security group we were able to get to our contacts, great folks, had that armored vehicle as their main armored vehicle.
dan friesen
Okay, their main armored vehicle.
I don't know.
I don't even care to unpack that.
That's such weird.
Have you seen these pictures?
jordan holmes
Uh-uh.
dan friesen
Alex basically rolling around in a tank, yelling at people in a bullhorn.
jordan holmes
Why would I see those pictures?
dan friesen
Back to his roots.
jordan holmes
That's part of the goddamn game, is that I can't see those pictures.
dan friesen
It's very exciting to see Alex appearing kind of like what you would expect his career to be, based on his earlier career.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
He likes to bother people.
He loves the bullhorn.
Tyranny Crusher 74 or whatever.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
69, probably.
It just makes sense.
It fits.
jordan holmes
Don't feel like it's okay to be using a...
An iteration of Tyranny Crusher in the very representation of Tyranny.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Whilst riding around...
unidentified
Tyranny supporter.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Everything is Orwellian.
jordan holmes
If he's sitting on a fucking tank at goddamn Tiananmen Square with a bullhorn, he's not crushing Tyranny, Dan.
dan friesen
In fairness, I'm calling it a tank.
It's not really a tank.
It's sort of an armored Hummer, you'd describe it as.
unidentified
Okay, fine.
dan friesen
With a roof turret.
jordan holmes
So, functionally, it's a tank.
dan friesen
Right.
It's a tank that doesn't appear to have, like...
Offensive capability.
jordan holmes
It's got a turret!
dan friesen
Well, not a turret.
Opening.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
Like a latch.
jordan holmes
Okay, I gotcha.
dan friesen
That's what he's referring to.
I'm picturing a gun turret.
It does have that feeling.
It wasn't that.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
So anyway, Alex went out to the Dallas-Trump rally, and there's some footage flying around of him yelling into a bullhorn while poking his little head out of the top of this armored vehicle.
Honestly, it's sadder than anything else I can think of.
It's just near parody levels of aggressive, militaristic masculinity.
jordan holmes
I'm a big, strong boy!
dan friesen
I'm a big, strong boy!
jordan holmes
Everybody notice me!
I'm a big, strong boy!
dan friesen
So I watched the video that Alex himself put out of the bullhorning that he did.
And there's a couple of points in that footage that I want to tell you about really quick.
The first is that while Alex is driving around bullhorning, there are a number of people who are taping him with their phones.
It's unclear if their supporters are just hoping he'll get stuck in that roof hatch and then they'll have a viral video on their hands.
jordan holmes
So good.
It'd go viral so fast.
dan friesen
However, there's one person in the shot who appears to be presenting as a real supporter.
He's an African-American man with dreadlocks pumping his fist in the air toward Alex.
However, if you pay close attention, that is one of Alex's new employees, a guy who All right.
All right.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Is clunky.
jordan holmes
Huh!
I don't...
Well, we don't have any African-American supporters, so what if we paid for one?
dan friesen
But it's even less that that I'm resonating with.
It's the fact that there's just one person, and it's on the payroll.
He's the only person who seems, like, really interested.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, there's that.
jordan holmes
Is that actually part of your, like, opening orientation when you join InfoWars?
You might have to pretend to be a fan.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So then, Alex's armored vehicle parks, and the whole thing takes on a very sad vibe.
There were about 10 to 15 people around the car.
Will Johnson is one of them, so it's entirely possible a couple of others were InfoWars employees that I just don't know.
Sure.
unidentified
Some of the people are just walking past and stop for a moment to see the spectacle, then keep walking.
dan friesen
At least one of the people in the crowd is wearing a shirt that says, quote, anti-Trump social club.
And they're just taping Alex on their phone, not causing any trouble or anything.
Yeah.
unidentified
Someone else is wearing a lizard onesie, which is fun.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
Somebody in the crowd who Alex yells at, he says they're MSM, mainstream media.
This guy asks Alex if he has any proof that the deep state is trying to kill Trump.
And Alex just yells something about Phil Mudd.
Then he plugs Infowars.com a bunch of times and tries to get America is back chant going, which only kind of works.
Very lackluster response.
That's always sad when you see someone try to get a chant going.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It only seems like this is a chant because you have a bullhorn.
jordan holmes
Look, you only try and start a chant if you know you can get a chant going.
dan friesen
It's a really dangerous maneuver if you're not sure.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I've been to many a couple...
Before the Cubs were good.
Back in the good old days of before 2016 and also after 2020.
Right.
It was like there would be so many people up in the high bleachers trying to get a chant going.
dan friesen
Drunks yelling, go Cubs, go.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and everybody just turned into looking at me like, we're alright, man.
dan friesen
That's sad.
jordan holmes
Come on now.
dan friesen
But it's nowhere near the level of someone at an open mic or even a show trying to get a USA chant going.
It just falls flat.
You just feel for them.
unidentified
Well, it's almost worse if you do successfully get the USA chant going.
dan friesen
That's kind of a push.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Alex looks winded, though he literally hasn't moved and is just popping his little head out of a roof hatch.
It's a grotesque, macabre picture of a man with almost nothing left in the tank.
It's just sad.
There's no joy in him at all.
He was being a douche like back in the old days.
You know, I'm not defending his early work, necessarily.
But if you watch videos of him trolling people at rallies, even the lead-up to 2016, that election, there was a spark there.
He really seemed like he was having fun when he would go out and yell at people and fuck with them.
Getting in a goddamn tank and bullhorning people at a Trump rally in his home state should be the most home of home turfs for Alex.
He should be owning that space.
But instead, he just seems like an angry old man in a tank, yelling about nothing to drive traffic to his website.
You look at it like, this guy's got to be miserable.
That should be the greatest moment for him.
He should be so alive.
He's in a tank, yelling at people at a Trump rally in Texas.
jordan holmes
No, he's like Adam Sandler in Funny People, you know?
He's lost his roots, he's trying to come home, and he realizes that there's nothing for him at home anymore either, Dan.
You can never go home again.
Once you sell your soul.
dan friesen
It's like feeling like he's treading water to some extent.
You can almost...
jordan holmes
And not doing a good job treading water.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Getting ready to be no longer treading.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Also, it should be pointed out that at that rally in Dallas, a man was sent to the hospital for evaluation after police found him to be armed and wearing body armor, which is usually a really bad combination.
It tends to imply that you might have an expectation that a shootout might be a likely part of your evening when you leave the house with those accessories.
Oh, he also had mace and a gas mask.
jordan holmes
Okay, good.
dan friesen
But that has nothing to do with Alex.
Except that he was wearing an InfoWars shirt.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean...
dan friesen
So that's cool and fun stuff.
Absolutely really awesome.
jordan holmes
Look, in his defense, not many shirts fit over body armor, Dan.
dan friesen
It might have been under.
jordan holmes
Okay, well, a lot of shirts wrinkle when they're under body armor, Dan.
dan friesen
But not these high-quality Zilvan shirts or whatever.
Because Haynes won't work with him anymore, so he's got to go with another company.
I don't know.
Anyway...
Alex was out there in full effect.
He was tanky yelling at people, having a blast, but not having a blast.
He seemed miserable.
But there was a reason that Alex really had to go to this rally.
Like, you know, Trump rally, been there, done that for Alex.
jordan holmes
Seems like you would get old with him.
Yeah, you'd get bored with him.
dan friesen
I would say the first reason, the unspoken reason, Alex isn't going to use this as an excuse, but...
He needs a PR stunt.
alex jones
Oh, 100%.
dan friesen
And riding around in a tank yelling at people is about as best as he can do right now.
jordan holmes
In this day and age?
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's great.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
Yeah.
So, good for that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But there's another reason, and Alex talks about it in this next clip.
jordan holmes
Love?
alex jones
And so I said, with Biden coming out on the debate stage three nights ago, and saying...
We need to not fight with each other.
We need to focus on removing Trump by the 17th.
Well, that was last night, so I just said, whoa, Dallas.
jordan holmes
He did it!
alex jones
56 years later.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
Do not.
alex jones
All the other bizarre statements by Pelosi.
jordan holmes
Shut the fuck up.
alex jones
Orange bullets around her wrist and Cory Booker.
I said, hey, everybody's got a real feeling of concern about this.
I'm going up to Dallas with the crew.
Did we stop Trump being assassinated?
Did we stop an attempted assassination?
The world will never know.
dan friesen
I love that.
I love that so much.
jordan holmes
How many Infowarriors does it take to stop an assassination, Dan?
dan friesen
One, if they're committed.
jordan holmes
Two!
A three.
dan friesen
This is that great.
Am I a hero?
The world will never know.
unidentified
The world will never know.
dan friesen
We'll never know the sacrifices that I made to protect this dumb, dumb president.
unidentified
Oh, man.
dan friesen
So, this is complete insanity.
Alex is suggesting that he might have stopped an assassination plot against Trump scheduled for this rally on October 17th.
This is more squarely in the genre of Alex insanity that I can get on board with.
I love this.
This is where I want him to be.
jordan holmes
I do like knowing that, in his mind, presidential assassinations have a certain kind of poetry to them.
The globalists are like, we could have killed Trump at any point in time.
But it's the 50-year anniversary!
Come on!
dan friesen
Spoiler alert, it's not.
Oh, okay.
We'll get to that in a second.
This theory that he has is based on a clip of Joe Biden from the last presidential election, where Joe says, quote, It's so important that we remove this man from office.
On the 17th, And then he trails off.
There's no indication that he was saying the 17th.
It could have been anything to do with the number 17. Or it's totally plausible that Joe Biden just had one of those thoughts that he gets that don't really mean anything.
And he started saying it.
jordan holmes
Oh, no, Joe!
dan friesen
Whatever the case, it's a separate sentence.
So saying that this is Joe Biden saying that we need to remove Trump by the 17th is a bit of a stretch.
Further evidence that Alex gives comes from a press conference that Nancy Pelosi gave where she mentioned her bracelet that she was wearing, which has a bullet in it, as well as some orange ornamental beads to signify safety vests that people wear.
Okay.
this country and any idiot understands that yeah but a special kind of idiot like alex sees a bullet and puts two and two together the tv is threatening him so Subliminal messages are being conveyed trying to taunt him that they're going to kill his hero.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
That is what's going on.
jordan holmes
I don't understand why you think there's a problem here.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that makes perfect sense.
She's wearing...
Well, one, she's doing everything necessary.
And two, that bracelet is clearly a threat.
unidentified
Done.
dan friesen
There's no way around it.
jordan holmes
No other way.
dan friesen
InfoWars pointed this out about Pelosi.
Quote, her body language seemed unusually shaky during the press conference.
Now...
That could have been because she was telegraphing a presidential assassination at the test of the globalists.
jordan holmes
Coulda.
dan friesen
Or it could be because part of that press conference had to do with the death of her longtime congressional co-worker, Elijah Cummings.
That might shake a person up a little bit.
Nancy Pelosi had been in the House of Representatives since 1987, and Cummings had been there since 1996.
It's 23 years the two of them worked together to get legislation passed, and it would be insane to imagine that his passing didn't affect her.
jordan holmes
Dan, you're not understanding Alex's point of view here.
That can't be true, because he's not white.
unidentified
Duh!
dan friesen
Yeah, or maybe she was announcing they were going to kill Trump so subtly.
jordan holmes
Okay, that was true.
dan friesen
So subtly that literally only Alex picked up on him.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That is possible.
dan friesen
So I wanted to know more.
jordan holmes
He's a crack detective.
dan friesen
I wanted to know more, so I went over to the Infowars article about this theory.
And man, the evidence is overwhelming.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
So Kennedy was killed in Dallas.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Trump's rally was in Dallas.
jordan holmes
I agree with both of those facts.
dan friesen
So far, so good.
jordan holmes
All perfect.
dan friesen
Now here's where it falls apart.
jordan holmes
Immediately?
Oh boy, that's not good.
dan friesen
That's about the only thing that they get right.
jordan holmes
Can't get one more detail?
dan friesen
So JFK was assassinated on November 22nd, 1963.
jordan holmes
50 years ago to the day.
dan friesen
As you might notice, October 17th is not the anniversary of November 22nd.
jordan holmes
50 years ago to the day.
dan friesen
Don't worry about that.
Alex has you covered.
I know it seems like...
jordan holmes
I know it seems wrong.
dan friesen
Seems like it's not an anniversary.
jordan holmes
I know it seems wrong.
dan friesen
So in the article, which was posted before the rally, in an attempt to build up the narrative that Trump's life is in danger in Dallas, they have pictures of two calendars.
One from October 1963, the year of JFK's assassination, and one from October 2019.
You ready to have your mind blown?
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
Dude!
Dude!
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
You ready to have your mind blown?
unidentified
All right.
jordan holmes
Show me what's up.
dan friesen
The 17th.
jordan holmes
Leap years?
dan friesen
The 17th is a Thursday in both years.
Freak out!
unidentified
What?
dan friesen
That's all that they're going on.
unidentified
What?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
No!
dan friesen
Both years.
September 17th.
jordan holmes
No!
dan friesen
Thursday.
unidentified
No!
jordan holmes
No, take that down.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
I want to cease and desist from, I don't know, from somebody.
dan friesen
Spoiler alert, that is definitely still an article that is up on it for words.
jordan holmes
I want to cease and desist from the literal concept of October 17th.
dan friesen
Now, please, don't think about the fact that this is a low-level coincidence that means literally nothing, and that October 17th was a Thursday in 2013, 2002, 1996, 1991, 1985, 1974, 1968.
1963, and a ton of other years that I got tired of looking up.
jordan holmes
Do you mean all years where a president was either assassinated or attempted to be assassinated?
dan friesen
Probably.
This is stupendous stuff.
This is great.
I love this.
jordan holmes
What fucking employee was like, uh, let's take a look at when October 17th was?
That's it?
dan friesen
Guys.
Writers meeting.
jordan holmes
What are we doing?
dan friesen
Trump, Dallas.
1963.
October 17th is a Thursday.
jordan holmes
That's 50 years ago today.
dan friesen
It's not.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Not even 50. All right.
Not the right month.
jordan holmes
I'm going to tell you right now, Alex wants to hear you say it's 50. Now listen to me.
dan friesen
Thursday.
Right?
jordan holmes
Right.
All right.
I like where you're going so far.
dan friesen
Get some screenshots.
to put it on the website.
We're good.
This is a good theory.
jordan holmes
Just so everybody in the writer's room knows, I love our job.
By the way, in case you were wondering, guess how long this took us?
It is 8.45.
dan friesen
We're done for the day!
If there's a sign that Infowars staff is just phoning this shit in, it's gotta be stuff like this.
This calendar conspiracy.
This is Bush League work.
Just the definition of a zero.
And along with these tech issues we keep seeing of everything not working, the idea that his writers are turning in something like this, it just has to mean that he...
People are leaving.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
There's no byline on that.
It just says Infowars.
jordan holmes
There's no byline.
dan friesen
No, I don't know who wrote that.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Kurt Nemo wouldn't turn in something like that.
jordan holmes
Why not?
dan friesen
Paul Joseph Watson might.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Probably not, though.
jordan holmes
And he would have heavily edited the calendars to look much faster than they otherwise would.
dan friesen
I honestly feel like he would do better than that.
And that's not a compliment to him, necessarily.
I don't know.
I don't even...
Just bad.
But I love it.
I just fucking love it.
jordan holmes
You know what?
Here's the worst part.
Here's my theory.
They didn't even come up with it.
That is totally something that some asshole posted online.
And they just screen grabbed it.
dan friesen
100% possible.
jordan holmes
They just screen grabbed it.
They are that fucking lazy.
dan friesen
100% possible.
But I still think it shows a lack of quality control going on.
Not that they ever had good quality control to begin with.
jordan holmes
No, I know.
dan friesen
But this being put in an article about how they're going to kill Trump.
Yeah, no.
Absurdly transparent and sad.
jordan holmes
We're getting into high school AV club kind of situation here.
dan friesen
We're getting into conspiracy message board Project Camelot level.
Like, ooh, this means that it's sad.
unidentified
Sad.
jordan holmes
Oh, shit.
If Alex buys a telescope, we're fucked.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So we get around to Alex, who now is really in favor of what Trump is doing in Syria with the Kurds.
jordan holmes
That quick, huh?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Wow, he's really vacillating faster than I'm comfortable with.
dan friesen
Yep.
He's fully on board.
He actually says it's wonderful.
jordan holmes
What?
dan friesen
At a certain point.
jordan holmes
Sure.
unidentified
Oof.
jordan holmes
Fine.
dan friesen
It's bad.
alex jones
First big thing I'm going to hit is Trump.
Coming out and saying, we've got a peace deal.
And the media, the left and the right, acting like he's a devil.
What I saw on the ground was people waving Kurdish flags, flipping me off, saying F-Trump, saying, you know, down with Trump, with Antifa, spitting on us, hitting us.
dan friesen
So now Alex went out to this rally, and I guess some people who have Kurdish flags were yelling at him, and now maybe that is a big part of his transformation to...
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Although he was already waffling on being against it in any meaningful way already.
Like, we'd already heard that.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
He was already coming around to supporting whatever Trump was doing.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
But it can't...
jordan holmes
He was coming around to believing the last thing that anybody said to him about it.
Right.
dan friesen
He was against this pulling out whenever he was talking to Joel Skousen.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And then as soon as Skousen's gone...
jordan holmes
Right back on it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So he ran into people with Kurdish flags and Antifa out at the Dallas rally.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Right?
And he sat there.
They're spitting on him.
They're hitting him.
They're hitting their people?
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
Everybody's got cameras.
Everybody's got phones.
Everybody's seen it.
So we have to have visual proof.
dan friesen
I'm not really interested in that at all.
Alex keeps saying that he has tons of footage of everything, but there's so much obscenity that it's going to take hours to bleep it all.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
He does this all the fucking time.
unidentified
That's nice.
dan friesen
We're going to play it, but we just got to bleep it.
jordan holmes
We just got to bleep it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
It's a very stock excuse for him.
I'm not really interested in that.
I don't care if that happened.
jordan holmes
No, of course not.
dan friesen
Not because I think people should get hit.
Because I also don't think it happened.
But I don't really care to argue that, is more what I'm saying.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I just think it's interesting because, as we hear in this next clip, we find out how Alex responded to that.
alex jones
And they stunk like a septic tank.
I mean, these people are just the scum of the earth.
So they followed us around the whole time, and then they got us all surrounded in the police.
We went over to the police and said, please help us.
And the police said no and walked away a line of police.
Very despicable.
And, you know, the guys I was with were either, you know, former police or folks that have worked with the police.
And they said they'd never seen anything like it.
It was very despicable.
Despicable, but it shows where America's gone.
dan friesen
I don't believe this at all.
I don't believe any part of this story, because Alex has spent, I don't know, when did Antifa start becoming a buzzword?
jordan holmes
1988, I believe.
dan friesen
He's been yelling since then, if they ever come up to him, he's going to beat their asses.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He has the perfect opportunity now.
He's at a Trump rally.
Someone who's Antifa comes over spitting on him, hitting him.
It's in self-defense if he wants to kick the shit out of that person.
He doesn't do it.
He goes and runs to the police.
I don't believe any of this.
jordan holmes
And if it is in self-defense...
He should kick the shit out of that person by his own mind, just because, think about all the publicity he'd get.
dan friesen
He talks about how he just turns red.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
He goes blank and he's an animal attacking people.
Now, I know a lot of that is bravado and masculinity, and it's not really true.
Alex would love to get hit and then sue somebody.
That would be the dream scenario for him.
Just none of this tracks.
The idea that he got hit or spit on and he went to the police and was like, oh, please help us.
Why would he, everything about him and everything he puts out into the world, why would he be the person who goes to the police and is like, I need your help resolving this.
Isn't he all about individualism and not relying on the nanny state?
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
Bullshit.
jordan holmes
Why wouldn't Ted Nugent want guns at his shows?
dan friesen
It's an interesting question.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So his big thing was yelling America is back at people.
Like, that's what he tried to get that chant going.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
And then people started singing Backstreet's Back and there was a whole dance fight.
dan friesen
Bow, bow, bow, bow, bow.
I'm not sure if that happened, although it's more believable than what Alex says happened when he started yelling America is back at demonic leftists.
jordan holmes
Okay, all right.
alex jones
Watching people who can't even speak English going F Trump, F America.
And I would, from the Middle East, and I would say, America's back, and boy, it was like throwing holy water on Linda Blair and the Exorcist.
When I would say, America's back, or the Democratic Party founded the KKK, they would just go, I mean, just, some of them would just start shaking and fall down on the ground and start flopping around.
You think I'm kidding?
I've got footage of this.
It was like exorcism when I would say, America's back.
America's back.
And they go...
Well, you've seen the footage of people doing that.
They go...
And they start bumping into things and falling down.
I mean, these people are...
Something's wrong with them.
dan friesen
All I've seen...
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
All I've seen is video of people fucking with Alex.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, I've seen...
A couple instances of people hissing at him.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But it's clear they're fucking good.
jordan holmes
They're hilarious.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, I don't know.
jordan holmes
They're having a great time.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I don't think that he has footage of yelling America's back at people and them flopping on the ground and hissing like demons.
jordan holmes
Probably not.
dan friesen
But if he does, it's 100% someone fucking with him.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, this is great.
jordan holmes
Either that or the weirdest coincidence.
dan friesen
Like a seizure?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
The grand mal seizure in history.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That would be a bummer.
dan friesen
I doubt that that is the case.
jordan holmes
Probably not.
dan friesen
I think Alex is making this up, but I guess we'll find out once it's finished bleeping.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Spoiler alert, that does not come by the end of the film.
jordan holmes
Oh, it doesn't?
No.
dan friesen
So Alex, again, he's talking here about the situation with the Kurds in Syria.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And he expresses that he's all for what Trump's doing.
jordan holmes
Well, he would be pro-genocide, that's true.
dan friesen
Trump has said in public...
Remarks that he's made that, you know, gotta let Turkey clean that place out.
jordan holmes
I don't understand why you would have any problem with that language.
dan friesen
It's certainly language that is shockingly close to other language, like cleansing.
jordan holmes
No, that's two different words!
dan friesen
Root words.
jordan holmes
Okay, well, root words.
Oh, we're going to start talking about what words mean now, Dan.
This is 2019.
dan friesen
Certainly those words are closer than October and November are anniversaries.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
No, I understand.
But the 17th is a Thursday.
dan friesen
So it's pretty fucked up to imagine that...
Alex is okay and supportive of this, but he is.
And the thing that's even more fucked up is he doesn't even really seem to deny the idea that Turkey is going to go in and kill a lot of people.
He doesn't seem to care about that.
And in this next clip, you get his only real response.
And he makes this response a couple times on this episode, and I think it's abhorrent.
alex jones
And I want to spend some time on what's really happening in Syria because I've had time to really study it.
jordan holmes
Fuck off.
alex jones
I have to say I agree with what the president's done.
I think it's very, very well thought out.
Very, very pragmatic.
And most importantly, he's doing what he said he would do.
So I'm going to hit that in the last segment of this hour.
And great to tell.
We have a bunch of clips of it.
And boy, I saw the left just howling, the Kurds, the Kurds, the genocide, the mass murder.
Where was the media when even the UN admits the persecution of Christians accounts for about 80% of all religious persecution in the world?
It used to be about a third.
A decade ago, persecution of Christians had doubled.
Now it's cool.
Really more than that.
I think it's quadrupled.
You can pull the numbers up, but persecution of Christians is skyrocketing.
dan friesen
His only real angle on this isn't to refute or even seem to care at all about the actual situation and the people.
It's like, why didn't you care about my perceived victimhood?
And again, there is a problem with Christian persecution around the globe.
I don't believe that it's nearly as high as Alex is saying, because the reference that he's making isn't to the UN.
It's like a Catholic priest who gave a speech at the UN.
Yeah.
He always cites it as the UN said this.
jordan holmes
Yeah, the UN didn't put out a report on it.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
The Catholic priest just said it.
dan friesen
Yeah, and that's not to take away...
jordan holmes
And we can trust the Catholic priests.
I think that's something that we've all...
dan friesen
They have a good track record.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I'm not minimizing the idea that there are Christians who are in bad situations and are being victims themselves.
Absolutely.
But...
That is not a good excuse for why he shouldn't have to care about what's going on in northern Syria.
jordan holmes
No, he's literally saying, this is your fault.
dan friesen
He's whatabouting the atrocities.
jordan holmes
I mean, not just that, but almost drawing a causal link between them.
If you had been there for my perceived links...
Then I will be there for yours.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
But you didn't, so now I get to watch people die.
That's what you get.
dan friesen
Yeah, his commitment to human rights is conditional.
Yeah.
And that's a problem.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you can be against all genocide.
dan friesen
It's possible.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I've seen it happen.
dan friesen
It's not possible for Alex.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Or at least it's not something he's interested in.
Which is bad.
So Alex is being sued for his coverage of Sandy Hook and his behavior in that time period and around that subject.
He just lost another appeal on that case recently.
He says that it's not true.
jordan holmes
What, that he lost the appeal?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
The situation was he was trying to get the case thrown out, and it didn't work, so he appealed the decision to not throw out the case, and he lost that appeal, so the case has to go forward.
jordan holmes
And they were like, again, we are not throwing this lawsuit out.
dan friesen
They're just pushing back all of his stalling, delaying, obfuscation tactics.
They're just not working.
And so Alex, every time he talks about it, he always has to be like, everyone says I lost this case, I didn't lose it.
Creating a straw man.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Who cares?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
In this next clip, though, he seems to be creating a completely fictitious version of what that lawsuit is about.
jordan holmes
I don't understand.
alex jones
I'm being sued by the Sandy Hook families backed up by the Democratic Party claiming false advertising.
unidentified
What?
alex jones
And they say that my fortune was made on Sandy Hook when I barely ever even talked about it.
And so, basically, those lawyers and law firms have attached themselves to the success of the show.
Using stuff we barely talked about to continue to say they're being victimized by me.
It's a form of waving the bloody shirts, what it's called.
But they're saying that there's an advertising formula to what we cover here.
No, we cover what the big news is.
jordan holmes
Ha, ha, ha.
alex jones
When Tom Arnold comes out and says somebody needs to kill Trump in Dallas, we cover that.
dan friesen
Oh, the big news.
Tom Arnold talking shit.
Which I didn't even look into that.
I don't know if he did or didn't.
jordan holmes
Don't care.
dan friesen
Because you know what?
It's not big news.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Do you know what else it's not?
The 90s.
dan friesen
I'm fine.
jordan holmes
True lies didn't just come out.
I don't care what Tom Arnold has to say.
dan friesen
The issue with Alex isn't false advertising.
It's like unjust enrichment.
It's the idea that he profited off of slandering people.
jordan holmes
He doesn't understand that concept.
dan friesen
No, I think he does.
And he just doesn't want his audience to.
jordan holmes
Oh, well, fair.
dan friesen
It's in his best interests for it to be presented this way.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
And I would say that I don't believe him for a second.
I think that in our 2013, when we got to the Boston bombing, the way he so gleefully is talking about his increased traffic, the way he's leaning so deeply into this sensational bullshit coverage, that is irresponsible and is...
Something he probably could be sued for by the people in those pictures that he found on 4chan.
jordan holmes
100%.
dan friesen
The way his behavior is being led by the increase in traffic, I don't believe that he doesn't have some kind of a strategy.
Whether or not it's on paper or they have meetings about it, it's very clear that he recognizes when there are things that are popular and he goes in that direction.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Whether or not that's up to the standard of unjust enrichment, I have no idea.
But to pretend it's not a real phenomenon, I think, is...
It strains credulity here.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's bananas.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Alex, though, he just goes for the big stories.
You know what I'm saying?
Big stories.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that was...
Wasn't OJ complaining that they were blaming him for false advertising when he tried to put out that book?
dan friesen
Yeah, probably.
jordan holmes
It was false advertising.
He didn't do it!
dan friesen
If he had.
jordan holmes
If he had, this was...
dan friesen
False advertising.
jordan holmes
It was false advertising.
dan friesen
CNN, though, they're the opposite.
jordan holmes
Yes, of course they are.
dan friesen
They just lie on purpose.
jordan holmes
Naturally.
alex jones
But with CNN, it really is their marketing strategy to push the fake Russiagate and now the fake Impeachgate and all the rest of it.
But Trump is a public figure.
Trump's argument is, though, that they are defrauding the general public as a consumer class of information who believe that they're supposedly getting accurate info and that CNN is consciously lying to them.
It's like that famous movie that Andy Griffith stars in, The Face in the Crowd.
I ought to watch that again.
dan friesen
Another movie reference.
Great.
So what he's talking about is, I guess, Trump's team or somebody is trying to sue CNN based on James O 'Keefe's latest stunt.
I don't care.
I don't care at all.
I didn't care to look into this because I just...
I don't have the patience for it.
It's going to get thrown out.
I only have so many hours in the day.
And quite frankly, the only thing I'm really interested in about this is Alex likes the idea of a representative of the president or his campaign suing the media.
That's not okay for him.
unidentified
No, no, no.
jordan holmes
You want the executive branch of the government to control the speech of the Fourth Estate.
That makes perfect sense.
dan friesen
Alex talks about things that are chilling free speech all the time.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
I have to think that this falls under that heading.
jordan holmes
Instead, he's all about it.
dan friesen
He's for it.
Who cares?
jordan holmes
No, you want to make sure that the media cannot report on certain things without constant fear of retribution, Dan.
That makes perfect sense.
That's what the founders had in mind.
dan friesen
It's not chilling.
It's warming.
jordan holmes
It's ice cold.
dan friesen
It's real bad.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
People don't talk about the heat deaths.
dan friesen
So Alex gets into, like, he's complaining about us being in the Middle East and shit.
And he's like, Trump's bringing people home, which is in direct contradiction to what he agreed with Skousen and reality.
That too.
And he's like, look, we have all this money that we spend, right?
There's better ways that we could spend that.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
And I don't disagree.
jordan holmes
Agreed.
dan friesen
And I actually don't even disagree with what he ends up talking about as something that we could do.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
You know what five trillion in roads and bridges and fast rail would look like to jobs in this country?
How about we don't be in as much debt and we spend three trillion on that?
dan friesen
I'd like to remind you that Alex is a libertarian.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
alex jones
But you see, that investment was for China, not here.
Our trains go 40 miles an hour.
Our trains went 150 miles an hour when my dad was a little kid.
jordan holmes
What the fuck are you talking about?
alex jones
Two and a half hours to drive from their ranch to Houston, to downtown Houston.
They could get on a train and in 50 minutes they were in downtown Houston.
They could get off the train and go see the museums or go to restaurants.
The train went 150 miles an hour at cruising speed.
My dad's only 70 years old now.
But when he was 10 years old, he could go to Houston in less than an hour.
My train to Houston now, it takes four hours from there.
We have had no infrastructure built of any type that's real and lasting since the 70s.
dan friesen
I mean, look, if Alex were looking for a president in recent times who agreed with him completely about shifting spending toward infrastructure to build up high-speed rail, that president would be Barack Obama.
jordan holmes
What if you changed his name to Donald Trump, though?
dan friesen
I don't think he's doing that.
Oh, okay.
First of all, no name changes.
But also, I don't think that Trump is nearly as big an advocate of high-speed rail as Obama was.
jordan holmes
Oh, he's uninterested entirely.
It wouldn't help him out.
But if you said that it was Donald J. Trump who supported it, maybe all of his supporters would support it.
dan friesen
What if we just made sure that there were stops at each of his hotels?
jordan holmes
Then he'd probably be for it.
It seems like there would be so many good things that we could do if we just tricked him.
dan friesen
That would be how you do it.
Just lean into the emoluments thing.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
You want to get rich?
Fine, but we're going to make our lives better too.
dan friesen
Attach his gain to every social progress.
That'd still be terrible.
jordan holmes
Put his name on shit?
Fine, whatever.
We get universal basic Trump income.
Whatever.
dan friesen
It's strange how I've never heard Alex tip his hat to Obama's consistent efforts.
Strange.
Alex never talks about how Republican governors in Ohio, Wisconsin, and Florida literally rejected federal money being offered for just that goal.
You see, people like Alex want high-speed rail, but they don't want the government paying for it, or at least not Obama's government.
They much prefer the fantasy of businesses building up this high-speed rail network.
The private sector.
Markets.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Like, a lot of libertarians don't even want the government paying for roads.
Like, it's ridiculous.
jordan holmes
Fine.
Go away.
dan friesen
And you know what?
The idea that businesses are going to build up this high-speed rail, that's probably never going to happen.
Of course not.
There's a number of reasons why.
jordan holmes
Money!
dan friesen
That's what is at the root of all of them.
jordan holmes
See, they would make more money without high-speed rails.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
And if we had high-speed rails, they would make less money.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
So they will buy up everything possible to keep high-speed rails from happening.
dan friesen
There's a reason it takes so long to get somewhere by train now.
And that's because the railway system in this country has, and has had for decades, It doesn't exist primarily to serve passenger needs.
With the rise in the prevalence of the automobile and the greater accessibility to cheaper air travel, people didn't need trains to get places nearly as much, and the commuter-focused rail market became way less profitable and harder for companies to justify starting as far back as the 1930s.
Most rail lines prioritize freight traffic, and this makes passenger rail experiences even less appealing.
Since sometimes you can end up having to wait for a passing freight train to go by at a crossing, you end up adding a bunch of time to your trip.
Part and parcel of this is that most rail lines are built to accommodate freight traffic, and thus even though passenger trains are capable of traveling much faster, they're bound by the speed limits that apply to freight travel, because to operate differently would require an overhaul It just, there is no way...
That this is going to become profitable for these businesses to operate differently.
unidentified
Of course not.
dan friesen
Freight traffic is what their business model is built on.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Changing that would be ridiculous.
jordan holmes
Well, not just that, but the reorientation of...
Part of this is just because oil and automobile execs in the 1930s...
Bought up all the possible ways that a commuter system could be built because it would be more efficient and they would lose money.
dan friesen
It's a giant piece of it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
They're trying to kill this.
dan friesen
I think Alex might have had someone tell him about Ayn Rand.
I think that might be...
He got drunk at the Trump rally and someone told him about Ayn Rand.
jordan holmes
Hey, we're going galt!
dan friesen
So I personally love a train.
And I've taken the Amtrak back to Missouri a few times.
It's been a fantastic experience.
I really enjoy it.
Being able to look out the side of it, see the...
It's a very soothing...
For the most part.
As long as the people you're on the train with aren't monsters, then you're good.
jordan holmes
Even taking the metro to, like, Milwaukee is more fun.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
I'd rather do that than drive anytime.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I'm very much with Alex on the idea of expanding rail in the United States, but I think he's a real idiot if he thinks that any business has the kind of profit incentive to take on this ridiculous amount of financial losses that would be required in order to pull it off.
The only way we're ever going to have high-speed rail in this country is a massive, publicly-funded project.
No!
jordan holmes
Oh, sorry.
dan friesen
Short of that, the money is in freight, and it doesn't seem like that dynamic is going to change anytime soon.
So if Alex is advocating for this, that's big government.
So if he wants to do that, great.
But then you've got to recognize that you're drifting into socialist territory.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
You're drifting into using tax money for all of this public works, which seems to run counter to a ton of what Alex believes in.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, conservatives love all of their closely held beliefs that were bought and paid for by lobbying and propagandists, but then when they come up against reality, they have to find this weird kind of pushback there, where they're like, no, no, no, let me twist my brain into 18 different pretzels so I can get to you how the government can pay for it, but they won't.
But they will, but they're not.
And it's a good idea.
dan friesen
And the thing that's really fucked up about this is Alex and I could probably find common cause to an extent on this.
unidentified
Of course.
dan friesen
The idea of spending billions of dollars would create a ton of jobs.
You'd have an amazing thing that would come out the other side of it.
jordan holmes
It'd be like a public works kind of project.
dan friesen
I think we could get together a little bit on that.
And so that's not what I'm arguing with him about.
jordan holmes
And then you'd say Barack Obama and he'd be like, No!
dan friesen
And then he'd start hissing and flopping on the ground.
And then I'd get video of it.
jordan holmes
And I'll play for you later, but I've got to bleep it first.
You've got to bleep a lot of shit.
Even when he's having a seizure, it's a family show.
dan friesen
I love the idea that you just said you have to bleep a lot of shit.
But the point that I'm making isn't that I disagree with what he's presenting.
It's that I know enough about his beliefs to know that he could never...
No, of course not.
I guess he would if Trump presented it.
He'd just be like, yeah, great.
No matter what, he'd find a way to work his brain around it.
But it's so counter to just what he acts like he believes in.
unidentified
I don't trust him, is what I'm saying.
jordan holmes
They don't know what they believe.
They're paid.
People pay other people to make them believe shit that isn't real and is actually counter to what they know.
He knows that it's a good idea to build high-speed rail.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
And to use public money to do it.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Absolutely.
So Alex gets into complaining about Chinese people and how they have great trains.
unidentified
Oh, boy.
alex jones
They got trains coming up that'll go 350.
Can you imagine getting somewhere 350 miles away in an hour?
That's almost as fast as a jet airplane.
We can't have that because we haven't ever repaired any of our railways because it was decided we're not going to have that anymore.
dan friesen
It was decided we're not going to have that anymore.
jordan holmes
Who decided it, Dan?
dan friesen
Well, from very early in his presidency, Obama was trying to get high-speed rail to be a priority, and the GOP impeded him on that issue.
jordan holmes
I don't understand why.
dan friesen
Not all of them, to be fair.
Some were okay with the idea.
But, you know, there was an impediment program going on with Obama.
They were just like, no!
jordan holmes
Well, any success that he had would reflect poorly upon that.
dan friesen
Just knee-jerk now!
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
We could have made this a priority when we had a president who was committed to it, when he was pushing for this back in 2009, and it could have made massive progress within the last decade.
But Alex was too busy back then making documentaries about how said president was a communist infiltrator.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you know what else we could have done?
He could have just fucking done it, Dan.
dan friesen
We have learned that now.
jordan holmes
He could have just fucking done it.
dan friesen
It might not have been the best thing to do, though.
Even though we now realize that that is apparently an option, I'm not sure it's a great option.
jordan holmes
I don't know, man.
dan friesen
It's a bigger debate.
jordan holmes
I think it's probably true that if you actually do the things that are good for people, even conservatives on the ground will be like, oh yeah, my life is better.
dan friesen
Fuck!
Eventually, some people come around after you find the results.
jordan holmes
If the only people who are really getting mad are rich people, then you're doing it right.
dan friesen
So, Alex gets back into talking about the Syria situation.
He just sort of touches and goes.
He's just sort of like, yeah, you're going to hot potato this thing.
jordan holmes
You know, that sounds weirdly suspicious to our current foreign policy.
dan friesen
Yeah, there's...
Just touch it and...
unidentified
Hey, whoa!
jordan holmes
Hey, look at you!
dan friesen
We've already heard that Alex's sort of primary thing is, you guys don't care about Christians, so I don't care about this, which is childish as fuck.
And now he sort of articulates another reason why he's totally cool with Trump's actions.
alex jones
And I said I'd get to Trump.
You know, he just gave a speech.
He's still giving statements in the White House on why he did this.
And is it going to be perfect?
No.
But Turkey was already doing incursions.
They've been doing incursions since this war started eight, nine years ago.
They already had taken areas of southern Syria.
Western Syria, they got that huge border along them.
And under Trump, they left.
But that's because the deal was made that if Turkey did that, they were going to get this autonomous zone.
And now Turkey's saying, hey, we're getting that 20-mile exclusion zone to keep the Kurds out.
Or we're going to give you three-plus million people that are refugees into Europe.
And Trump goes, oh, that makes sense.
dan friesen
So that makes sense.
jordan holmes
All right, well...
Great!
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Did it!
dan friesen
So, Alex, his other defense is this is the other option, and if we didn't do this, there would be more refugees in the West.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
So that's good, because he doesn't want demographic rates to shift in the West.
jordan holmes
It really does seem like foreign policy decisions were framed to Trump thusly.
Either you let us kill all these people, Or we send brown people your way.
And he was like, ooh, kill all those people.
dan friesen
If that's actually the conversation that's happening as opposed to Alex's perception of it, then that's fucked up to a level I can't even begin to describe.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
So Alex doesn't want there to be more refugees going into the quest.
jordan holmes
Naturally.
dan friesen
Because, of course, he's...
He wants there to be more white people around, relatively speaking.
And so he starts talking about what these refugees bring to these countries.
And this one is absurd.
alex jones
They literally tell the 14-year-old girls in German after-school programs, hey, go ahead and give yourself an adult Muslim husband.
They have little 14-year-old girls on TV going, here is my husband.
He is 24. He goes to my school with me.
The guy's like, yeah, she's my bitch.
I mean, you know, this is just sick cucking by the left.
dan friesen
This is a family show.
This is a family show, Jordan.
Family show.
Daddy, what's cucking?
jordan holmes
Well, son.
dan friesen
Yikes.
So...
I'm going to skip this next clip because it's just Alex saying that...
It's just re-articulating the point that, like, I only care...
If you cared about Christians, I'd care about this.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And that's sort of repetitive.
But Mattis, Mad Dog, Jim Mattis.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
He came out and made some jokes about Trump in his speech.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And here's Alex's response to that.
alex jones
Well, Mad Dog Mattis is loved by the corporate media because he's an effeminate, effete, All right.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
It's so pathetically consistent.
Just anybody who says anything bad about Trump, just fucking attack.
jordan holmes
They're feminine.
dan friesen
Just attack them.
unidentified
Man.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
In a sense, I'm on his team.
Fuck Mattis.
dan friesen
Fine.
jordan holmes
All of these people who come out after they've left the administration and then start talking shit should be right on board with the Nuremberg trials.
You're the problem.
dan friesen
I think any speech they have should at least be...
jordan holmes
I am so sorry!
I am part of the issue and I killed a lot of people.
dan friesen
And if it's not, then people in the audience should have a lot of pointed coughs in the middle of their speech.
jordan holmes
I'm almost at the point where it's like...
Listen, just slink away, and if we never hear from you again, we'll all close our eyes, we'll call it a day.
You speak in public, you go in a cage.
That should be the rule.
dan friesen
I kind of feel, I mean, I don't know about caging people, but I kind of feel similarly about Alex, like in the hypothetical situation where he turns on Trump.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's like, you go away now.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you slink away.
dan friesen
You don't.
jordan holmes
We all pretend this never happened.
dan friesen
I know that you feel like you can help in some way now that you've realized Trump is a con man and all this shit, which you knew from the beginning.
jordan holmes
No shit.
dan friesen
But you can't, so shut up.
jordan holmes
Go away.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And I do think that a lot of these people from the administration probably should.
Except for Anthony Scaramucci, because I think he has something to bring to the table.
jordan holmes
He's got it.
unidentified
He's got something to bring to the table.
jordan holmes
That is definitely true.
dan friesen
The rest of them should go away.
So Alex gets to this point in the show where he wants to take calls.
Because it turns out that none of the people from the rally are showing up.
Or at least he said he was going to have some hypothetical guests.
And there aren't any.
So he decides he's going to take calls.
And he wants to do a challenge.
And that challenge is he wants to take ten calls from people who disagree with him and think Trump should be impeached.
jordan holmes
How many do we get to?
alex jones
People that disagree, you're welcome to call as well.
I'm not giving the number out yet because I want to give the first round of callers.
Let's say the first ten.
We're going to open the phones up first for ten callers who disagree with me and think that Trump should be impeached.
But I'm really asking you to be serious.
I don't want it to be tongue-in-cheek.
dan friesen
You know damn well no one who listens to your show is going to give you a serious disagreement about that.
Anyone who disagrees with Alex and is listening to him is doing it to laugh at him or is named me.
At this point, no one's fucking listening.
And if they are, they're not calling in.
It's a comical idea.
So your question, how many?
We'll find out.
We'll find out.
He wants to take ten.
So, Alex, he's getting ready to open up the phone lines, and I don't know what the hell...
I don't know if he's got an...
His phone lines are like an old Camaro out in the cold.
You've got to go turn it on and head back in the house for an hour.
jordan holmes
You've got to warm him up for a little bit.
dan friesen
You've got to turn on the defrost, go back inside, make some tea.
jordan holmes
Well, if you go from zero to 60 without warming the car up, you can do some serious damage there, Dan.
dan friesen
I think his phone lines must operate the same way, because he opens the phone lines, and then it is a long time until any call...
jordan holmes
He actually has an old man house phone on a switchboard.
That's what he's doing.
dan friesen
So he gets to rambling about other things, and he has found that there is a group that has revealed the climate change protest.
It's not really about climate change.
It's all a red herring.
jordan holmes
Oh, damn those groups.
alex jones
There's another article I forgot to get.
It was from last night on Infowars.com.
Just so many articles.
Extinction Rebellion had.
Whatever the hell it's called.
The group that takes over and blocks everything around the world.
They admitted we're here to make heterosexuality abnormal and reduce population.
And climate change isn't real.
It's our excuse to stop humans.
There it is.
Extinction Rebellion co-founders' climate protest is about ending idea heterosexuality is normal.
It's not about the climate.
See, of course it's not.
It's about them dictating and some weird...
Anti-human cult run by Peter Singer.
dan friesen
So, we get this group, Extinction Rebellion.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
One of the things they do...
jordan holmes
Good folks a little misguided sometimes.
dan friesen
I don't know a ton about them, so I don't feel like I can say a pro or against strategy, a statement about them.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But one of the things I was reading about is one of the things that they do is try and get arrested.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So that's a big part of their strategy.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
In order to bring attention to the protests that they do.
I don't know.
I mean, there's a diversity of tactics that are probably required in the world.
I don't know.
Anyway, a couple of quick points.
First, Extinction Rebellion is an environmental group that has existed for less than a year.
They were founded last Halloween, and as best I can tell, they have nothing to do with Peter Singer.
jordan holmes
They were...
Wait.
They were founded last Halloween?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
The 17th wasn't on a Thursday last holiday, Dale.
unidentified
Oh, no!
jordan holmes
That is it!
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Whatever it is in this circumstance, that is it!
dan friesen
So, also, the other thing is, this is just about an old Medium post that someone from Extinction Rebellion wrote about how the climate activism and being involved in that isn't just about the climate specifically, but it's about the, quote, toxic system that has infected the way that we relate to each other as humans and to all life.
This post is not a gotcha moment where the climate activist slips up and admits that climate change concerns aren't real.
And this is just about forcing Alex to kiss another man or whatever.
It's about understanding that climate activism exists in a broader lens than just being about climate change.
And honestly, I think stuff like what this guy is talking about is really important.
The path forward, if we're going to take care of these issues and survive and coexist, it has to involve greater social and class justice and equality.
Or else, what you're going to do is you run the risk of finding climate solutions that only serve to deepen gaps between segments of society.
It's important as things become more serious to be deeply committed to solutions that don't veer into eco-fascist territory.
And that's what I see being expressed in this Medium post.
But Alex thinks that it's about making straight people feel weird.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's where we get back to the Club of Rome, like with the interconnectedness of all of these problems.
dan friesen
The problematique.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And I think that it's...
It's important to think about those things and it's important to not view things so granularly that you lose sight of the larger picture.
And I don't know.
I'm not saying I fully support everything that this person believes or anything, but from the right-wing blogs that were attacking him that I was reading, it's like, I don't...
I don't see what you see here.
jordan holmes
No.
You don't need to see anything, and they don't need to have anything.
They just need to tell you that they have something, and then you'll believe it.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
That's how conservatism works.
dan friesen
So Alex comes back from break with some Ennio Morricone.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And he starts talking about how he's got to go home and watch The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly.
jordan holmes
Oh, that sounds fun.
unidentified
And last scene of the Badly Ugly, it's really a good cinema, isn't it?
alex jones
I need to go home tonight and turn the lights out in the bedroom and maybe watch the good of the Badly Ugly and just travel to a faraway place.
Then I want some tequila.
unidentified
I'm sorry.
alex jones
No tequila for me.
jordan holmes
All right.
alex jones
All right, so I have opened the phones up for folks that disagree, and there are very few calling in that disagree.
dan friesen
What a shock.
What a shock.
jordan holmes
Every time I'm out, he pulls me back in with, I want some tequila.
dan friesen
But no tequila for me.
jordan holmes
No tequila for me.
dan friesen
I am being told I can't drink anymore.
So that's good.
Alex gets to rambling because there's not many people calling in, which is not too surprising.
And he gets to talking about how, like, look, man, everyone says that I got drunk and put a million dollar bounty on the opposing counsel in my Sandy Hook lawsuit.
Sure.
jordan holmes
And I don't know why they say it, except for that I did do those things.
dan friesen
They say that I encourage violence because I said I wanted his head on a spike.
jordan holmes
And I don't know why they would say that, because I did that stuff.
dan friesen
They say that I encourage violence.
jordan holmes
Ah, we should kill him!
dan friesen
He seems to look at his own career and his behavior slightly differently.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And then he has an interesting suggestion of how the globalists can win.
jordan holmes
Alright.
alex jones
And the last thing I do...
Was sit there and actually say, I want physical violence against these people, because that's what they do.
I'm not stooping down at a level, and I don't want to make them martyrs.
The only way they could win right now is assassinating Hillary and blaming it on us.
And so the idea that I want violence, the idea that I'm pushing violence, the idea that patriots are doing that is just asinine.
It's the left assaulting and harassing people.
dan friesen
The left is the violent ones.
What I hear here is a silly, scary thing.
It's right in the middle there.
Because I'm old enough to remember when that dude sent a pipe bomb to Hillary Clinton and George Soros and all of these enemies of the anti-globalist left, right, excuse me.
And I remember that Alex said that that was a false flag.
And I hear, when Alex is saying these things, almost a wink.
If someone kills these people, it's just the globalists doing it to set us up.
Which is so consistent in his career, but it's always so jarring in the present day and talking about hypothetical murders that could happen.
It's almost like, hey, we got your back if you do it.
And I know that's not what he's saying, but there's a way you could hear it that way.
That's a little troubling.
jordan holmes
He's not saying that.
If you did it, though, he would.
But he's not saying that.
dan friesen
He would absolutely cover for anybody who killed one of his enemies.
It would obviously be a false flag attempt in order to make his team look bad and get sympathy and pity for the globalists.
jordan holmes
And he's not saying that he would cover for you if you did that.
He's just saying that you know he would cover you if you did that.
You already know it.
He doesn't need to say it.
dan friesen
He's not saying it, but you know it.
jordan holmes
You know it!
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
But he doesn't need to say it.
dan friesen
Right.
And I don't think that that's necessarily persuasive or would get someone to do something violent.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But it is a strange thing to be fully aware of.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I think anybody who listens to his show, at least on a subconscious level, understands that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know.
Anyway, Alex was out at this Dallas rally, right?
And he was saying...
You know.
jordan holmes
Wait, real quick.
I didn't see the end of the rally.
Did they kill Donald Trump?
dan friesen
No.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
Nothing happened.
unidentified
Oh, good.
jordan holmes
I mean, that does ruin the mystery a little bit on this episode, but otherwise I think we're good.
dan friesen
Can you believe they missed the anniversary?
jordan holmes
I know.
dan friesen
Nothing happened.
But Alex got yelled at by Antifa and apparently some people with Kurdish flags.
So this next clip is really interesting to me because it's deeply racist.
Deeply racist.
But in what he's saying, like the literal words, he's trying to argue that he's not racist.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But in the way he makes his argument, he shows and reveals a deep racism.
They always do that.
But it's also important to point out that I don't believe this happened.
No, of course not.
I believe it's an imaginary scenario that Alex is constructing to tell his audience to demonstrate that he's not racist.
jordan holmes
Racistly.
dan friesen
But in doing so, reveals deep racism.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
alex jones
And a bunch of them looked at me real weird and stopped.
Because this was the lowest level Antifa.
Actually, about half of them actually were Hispanic and black and stuff.
And they were being directed by the other Antifa that were college professors and people in mass.
And they were like, huh?
They were like, huh?
What, you don't hate us?
And I said, no, you've been lied to them.
They're like, oh, that's on video too.
And I'm like, yeah, dude.
They couldn't believe I was sitting down with the KKK.
They just, they went, oh, we're sorry.
They really believed that.
Now is the critical time to keep InfoWars on the air.
dan friesen
Cut off by the break, too.
So, the way Alex is presenting this, there's the low-level Hispanic and black, largely Antifa, who are being directed...
jordan holmes
They're the lowest level, Dan.
dan friesen
They're being directed by the higher-level smart...
jordan holmes
College professors, who we are led to assume are not.
dan friesen
I know from context when he talks about this, he always calls them like white meth-head types.
So, he believes that there's a hierarchy structure where the white people are directing things around.
There's a white supremacy in his false version of Antifa.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
And he thinks that he's revealing that they are racist by having this hierarchy, though because they obviously don't, and he is imagining that that is how it...
Obviously would go.
dan friesen
That's one part of it.
And then the conception of these non-white, low-level Antifa people being so dumb and fooled by the white overlords.
That presentation is fucked up.
That is insanely fucked up.
So congratulations, Alex.
In trying to argue that you're not a racist, you have revealed...
A insanely racist view of the world.
jordan holmes
I have not heard a racist once try to convince me that they were not racist without doing it racistly.
It's never happened.
dan friesen
It does seem...
jordan holmes
It has just never happened.
Even when they're trying to lie!
Even when they're trying to be like, ha-ha, I don't hate black people because blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
And they're like, and I never say the N-word, blah, blah, blah.
What?
unidentified
What?
jordan holmes
What are you doing?
Yeah.
dan friesen
Very messed up.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So that happened at the rally.
Alex imagined that he was, you know, really flipping some minority Antifa people over to the side of Liberty.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
Not hard.
dan friesen
But also, like I said, there was that guy who had a gun and body armor and an InfoWars shirt.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And you would expect that Alex might hear about that and then either not talk about it or say it was a false flag or say, you know, trying to demonize the Patriots or something.
Totally different perspective.
jordan holmes
That's what Buddy Ted.
alex jones
Also a man with a gun wearing helmet, vest, arrested outside event, and he was wearing an InfoWars shirt.
And it turns out Owen was able to get contacted by him.
I've invited the fellow on the show.
I haven't gotten work back yet.
And it turns out he was just there in case Antifa attacked, exercising his Second Amendment.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
He was not planning anything violent.
He was nowhere near the president.
But it turns out that is not fake news.
The gentleman says he was wearing an InfoWars shirt, I guess under his jacket.
But they sure made that into a big deal.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I wonder why.
I wonder why.
Guy with a gun and body armor at a fucking Trump rally.
I wonder why that's a big deal.
I mean, technically, in Texas, it's not illegal to have body armor on, unless you're a felon.
If you're a felon, you can't have body armor.
jordan holmes
Sure, great laws.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
All good stuff.
Way to solve the problem of guns there, Texas.
You got us.
dan friesen
I don't think that the guy's doing anything illegal, but I do think it's not good.
For people to be out.
I would say this probably also if someone on the left was out protesting in body armor and a gun.
I would still say when you do that, you highly, highly escalate the opportunity for you to need those things.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
And I just don't think it's healthy.
I really don't.
jordan holmes
I mean, the only time it makes sense is when the escalation has already occurred without you.
You know, like, I'm fine with the Black Panthers in the 60s walking around armed watching the cops.
unidentified
Different context.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
That's what I'm saying.
dan friesen
Or people in, like, Chile now or in Hong Kong.
You know, those are different scenarios.
jordan holmes
The escalation was already passed long before they ever got there.
You're just at a fucking stadium with a bunch of people who you like.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know?
dan friesen
And you're expecting Antifa is going to show up and hit you with something and then you can kill them.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's all that's going on.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's premeditated, preemptive self-defense murder is what I would describe that as.
dan friesen
I don't think that flows off the tongue, but it's not a bad description.
So, in this next clip, Alex, I think really you get to the core of his feelings about Trump.
And that is that, I would describe this 30 seconds as, I love Trump.
But fuck, I want to get back on Facebook.
That's really all I hear.
alex jones
I love Trump.
He's done an amazing job on so many fronts.
But he's not stood up for the persecution of his supporters.
He hardly ever talks about how they get beat up outside of the arenas because he thinks that will scare people away.
He needs to say, don't let these bullies stop you.
More need to come.
I'm going to have a rally in 100,000 group.
He needs to call their bluff.
And he needs to speak out against the censorship.
And Brad Parscale needs to.
I mean, if they don't do that and they leave us out to dry, it's just not right.
dan friesen
I want back on Facebook, baby.
So cool.
jordan holmes
That he started it with, I love Trump, made me hope for just one second that he would then complete your sentence.
I want back on Facebook.
What I want to sum this 30-second clip up as, I love Trump, but I want back on Facebook.
dan friesen
It's all I hear.
Even if he's saying all this stuff about Trump supporters being attacked and all this in the middle, that's just filler.
He loves that that's happening.
Or he loves that the optics of that is happening to the point where he can use that in order to get more attention and stuff.
The problem is that he's not on Facebook.
Yeah.
unidentified
So anyway.
dan friesen
I don't know if that's a scandal.
jordan holmes
The 17th was a Thursday this year.
dan friesen
Oh, no.
jordan holmes
Who knows what could have happened to Barnes?
dan friesen
So, in his rambling, Alex tries to rationalize the fact that Drudge is having more negative coverage of Trump.
And he needs people...
Like I said, I believe this wholeheartedly.
And I don't know what it means, and I don't know how it's going to break.
But I do know that Alex cannot turn on Drudge.
There's just no way.
So, what he has to do is he has to...
You know, make the argument that this isn't a big deal.
unidentified
Don't worry about it.
dan friesen
Not a big deal.
alex jones
There's a big debate about what's Drudge doing.
Well, Drudge will show what they're saying and then he'll show what Trump's saying.
And then when it turns out Trump's right, he'll show it.
I mean, it's still 70% pro-Trump.
I think it's pretty boring to have a page that just supports the president.
I mean, we have the enemy up on our site.
And I see people going, what do you have this Hillary speech on here?
We don't need to hear from her.
You don't need to hear from her saying she may get back in the race?
dan friesen
I love the idea that he's like, it's boring to have a page that's all Trump support.
We have the enemy on the page in a context of demonizing them to support Trump.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
It's a little different.
jordan holmes
I know people don't want to hear a radio show that is pro-Trump regardless of any circumstances or change or decisions that he makes.
dan friesen
I love Trump.
And all my old positions mean nothing.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
That is correct.
It would be boring.
dan friesen
It is a little boring.
jordan holmes
It is boring.
dan friesen
Except for the fucking calendar conspiracy.
jordan holmes
Right.
That's good stuff.
dan friesen
And Alex now trying to take calls.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Because this is great.
This is...
Man.
jordan holmes
Not going.
dan friesen
Alex goes to his first call, and here's what happens.
alex jones
You guys say you want Trump impeached.
Go ahead, Cody.
Sounds like it's raining.
You know, this white noise might put me to sleep.
dan friesen
I thought initially that that might be someone playing audio of Turkish air raids or something.
I thought...
Like, someone might have trolled Alex and was just playing that audio.
I had no idea.
It also could be white noise.
Could be anything.
jordan holmes
I heard horses running.
I got that.
dan friesen
I'm not sure.
You know, it's an audio Rorschach test.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
You can hear whatever you want.
jordan holmes
I like horses.
dan friesen
I realized I'm probably overthinking this because Alex tries to go to another call.
alex jones
Oh, my goodness.
Bill in Kansas, you're on the air.
Welcome.
jordan holmes
No.
alex jones
Like I said, we got a new way of doing things around here, folks.
It's just been magic around here lately.
But I like it.
jordan holmes
I like it.
alex jones
I don't get mad anymore about technical difficulties.
unidentified
I just enjoy it.
alex jones
There you go.
There's some more white noise for you.
Okay.
Well, you know what the gambler says.
You got to know when to hold them.
You got to know when to fold them.
You got to know when to walk away.
You got to know when to run.
So we're done with calls.
We'll cut the white noise off at that point.
dan friesen
So two calls, two strikes, no more calls.
alex jones
And you know what?
dan friesen
I love it.
I love it.
I'm not mad about this.
You know what?
There's tech problems.
They just do things differently around here.
I don't care.
I'm totally happy about it.
I love it.
I love not being able to do my show.
jordan holmes
I mean, we're on too long without getting the phones worked out.
We're on too long.
I get one episode.
Maybe a couple episodes, but this is too long.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, there is that, and then also you add that to not being able to play clips whenever they're supposed to be played and all that stuff.
And then you add it to the calendar bullshit.
You're just like, this operation's falling apart.
jordan holmes
It feels like if you turn the cameras around, it's just Rex running back and forth from station to station.
dan friesen
Yeah.
It leads me to suspect the...
The possibilities of him trying to sell off the warehouse to cash out seem likely.
I don't know if that's the case, but it seems like he can't possibly have a full staff anymore.
jordan holmes
This isn't the staff that was there six months ago, a year ago.
Not at all.
dan friesen
It feels like a different production.
jordan holmes
Not at all is this the same show.
dan friesen
Yeah, or the alternative is whatever he was paying for, like, the phone line or the experts who run his ability to take calls is now he can't afford.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And he has to do that on his own or something.
jordan holmes
Or they decided to stop working with him.
dan friesen
Whatever the case is, something here indicates, like, a deterioration of his...
jordan holmes
Ooh, no, I've got it.
Gray interference.
That's what it is.
That's why he can't take calls.
dan friesen
It could be a Pulsar weapon.
unidentified
It's the Graze.
dan friesen
We all know.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
We've seen it happen to Carrie so many times.
dan friesen
Well, but Alex says that it's just a glitch.
alex jones
I'm going to go to your calls.
We've got the phone system working.
It just had a weird glitch.
It was hung up, so I apologize.
Two callers were there, but it was just hung up, a little digital thing, so it's working now.
We'll go to the next segment.
dan friesen
Oh, the two callers who disagree with you and think Trump should be impeached.
Weird.
Weird how there's a strange glitch while the people who are probably going to tell you to go fuck yourself can't talk to them.
I don't think that necessarily Alex faked a glitch in order to not talk to these people, but it's weird.
It's a coincidence that...
Oh, unfortunate.
What a missed opportunity for you to...
Tell off some people.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I've listened to this show long enough to know that whenever he gets a dissenting call, it's usually like, you're not extreme enough.
You should be calling for Hillary to be hung.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
The dissent is never dissent.
jordan holmes
The dissent always starts with, love your products.
I take them all every morning.
And here's the thing.
I agree with you.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Great dissent, guys.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's either that or like, why do you dodge the Jewish question?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
That's what your disagreement is.
jordan holmes
I disagree with you?
Okay, all right.
dan friesen
So phone lines aren't working, so Alex has to vamp some more.
He plays some special reports, because he has nothing, and then he rambles about how you shouldn't win the lottery.
unidentified
Sure!
alex jones
And there's a lot of documentaries and books written about it, that Europe and here in the U.S., but Asia has a lot of lotteries as well, that you'll have some middle-class dude who's been married for 30 years, totally happy, got a nice house, swimming pool, goes on vacations every year, his kids are in college.
He wins a $5 million lottery, and a year later he's dead, in prison, bankrupt, or a combination of those.
dan friesen
Maybe dead and in prison.
alex jones
Could be.
95% of the cases.
I mean, they basically, it's hard to find cases where people get a bunch of money and don't destroy their lives.
dan friesen
Well, you'll never hear about those.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's the point.
Nobody is interested in the, I got a ton of money and everything is fine now story.
dan friesen
I invested in some property and everything's going good.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no kidding.
dan friesen
It's not a story anyone tells.
That's why you don't hear about it.
alex jones
They didn't earn it.
They didn't learn how to control it.
Money and success will destroy you faster than anything if you're just going for success and money.
I mean, you think people like Dan Bilzerian is happy because his daddy gave him $100 million or whatever?
jordan holmes
Probably.
alex jones
You think these rock stars are happy and they even earned it, supposedly?
No, because they're not helping people.
dan friesen
What about Trump?
jordan holmes
No, he's helping people.
dan friesen
Trump got tons of money.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but he's using it to help people.
That's what we've known about Trump since his entire career began.
Nobody helps people quite like Donald J. Trump.
dan friesen
It's so amazing that he can go on a little bit of a jag about how unearned money is somehow...
jordan holmes
Do you think that this guy who was given a ton of money by his parents, even though he himself has no appreciable skills or talent, you think he's happy?
dan friesen
Right.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Very weird.
So Alex, like I said, he just mostly plays special reports because he kind of really wanted to talk to callers because he probably didn't do too much preparing.
He was out late at the rally and, you know, he never prepares anyway.
So he has a particular special report we're going to hear about in this last clip.
jordan holmes
Is it going to be racist?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Oh, it's not the racist Chinese one?
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
Okay, good.
dan friesen
No, those aren't special reports anymore.
They're pretty much every day he has a new one.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
But this is interesting because, like...
We've done the investigation of how he came to support Trump, and we've listened to a lot of different time periods of his career, and I could hear somebody who doesn't know those things hearing this clip and being like, ah, what about this special report?
That's interesting.
I hear this, I think Alex could go fucking fuck himself.
We gotta get some bleeps on this show.
alex jones
Then I've got...
A bunch of other special reports our crew has put together that I'll air.
Brainwashed liberals think Trump is a gangster.
We're going to play that.
unidentified
You do!
dan friesen
Brainwashed liberals like Alex Jones in July 2015.
He still does!
That brainwashed liberal.
jordan holmes
He still fucking does!
dan friesen
Brainwashed liberals think Trump is a mobster.
He's a gangster.
It's crazy.
I mean, you hear stuff like that, and it's just like there's no sincerity.
There's no context.
There's no through line to any of this.
It just is what it is.
It's bootlicking.
It is rationalizing.
It is towing the line 100%.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
There's so many things now where I can't help but see in my head all of these propagandists reading anti-Trump.
And then just crossing out bad adjectives and adding good ones.
Not even that.
The antonyms.
Specifically the exact opposite of what it is.
Like, oh, that call was stupid and he tossed it off and changed the world.
That means that he took his time thinking about it.
And you're like, fucking whatever.
dan friesen
Fuck off.
It's all just meaningless.
And I find very little interest except for the areas where it's like, well, this might be relevant as things get bad.
And then also, I think it's really interesting to see these diminishing quality instances.
Like that Trump is going to get killed at his Dallas rally based on this dumb calendar bullshit.
The tech problems.
I see an increasing inability to do this job well.
It's just bad propaganda.
And I just wonder if he's still on air a couple months from now.
How is that deterioration going to proceed?
It's going to keep going.
jordan holmes
No, he's not going to right the ship somehow.
No, that's not happening.
dan friesen
It's nigh impossible for that to happen.
So I just think a couple months from now, this could be comically bad.
And I look forward to that.
That makes me excited, that possibility.
But the rest of this, yeah, it's just predictable trash.
Whatever Trump says, he cares.
jordan holmes
In a short period of time, he won't be inviting llamas.
unidentified
They'll just be wandering in on their own.
jordan holmes
Goddammit, llamas are back again!
I hired security for this!
dan friesen
You let them in once.
Can't get rid of them.
I do have this question in my mind that it's impossible to answer, necessarily.
And that is, like, now, how would Alex respond to Trump bombing?
Yeah.
Getting drunk, crying, Trump shoves ISIS up our dirty assholes.
Would that happen now?
Is it possible that there's something that will reach that point?
I don't know.
Maybe a couple months ago I would have said, yeah, he probably would respond the same.
I don't know now.
I really don't.
The idea that he could be so waffly...
jordan holmes
After this turkey thing.
dan friesen
The fact that he could be so back and forth on that and so...
It's great.
It leads me to believe that there isn't a point.
alex jones
No.
dan friesen
I think it's just gone.
jordan holmes
I don't think so either.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I've thought that in the past, too, and he sometimes manages to surprise me.
So we'll find out.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
True.
dan friesen
So apologies for the three present-day episodes in a row.
Wednesday will be something entirely different.
jordan holmes
Again, you don't need to apologize for that.
95% of the time you apologize.
unidentified
Fine.
jordan holmes
You do not need to apologize.
dan friesen
Fine.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
But we'll be back with something different on Wednesday.
jordan holmes
Indeed we will, Dan.
dan friesen
And we have a website.
jordan holmes
We do have a website.
It is knowledgefight.com.
Have you ever been there?
dan friesen
I have.
unidentified
Oh, that's nice.
dan friesen
I have built it.
We're also on Twitter at knowledge underscore fight.
jordan holmes
And at GoToBedJordan.
dan friesen
Yep, we're on Facebook.
jordan holmes
We are on Facebook.
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dan friesen
Good selling.
It's a family show.
We'll be back, but until then, I'm Neo.
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alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
jordan holmes
Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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