Today, Dan needed a little break from Alex Jones, so Jordan takes over the show to continue his crusade against climate change denial. In this installment, Jordan tells Dan about a couple recent segments on Fox featuring one of his arch-rivals.
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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys. | |
| Knowledge fight. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Hey, everybody. | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Jordan. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
| This is a podcast where we like to sit around and drink some novelty beverages, and while we're at it, we like to talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| That's right, we do, Jordan. | ||
| Dan. | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| Dan. | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| What is the first time you ever felt achievement? | ||
| Ooh, the first time I ever felt achievement? | ||
| Maybe you won a race as a youth, or maybe you won a... | ||
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No, I will tell you this. | |
| I know this. | ||
| Little League? | ||
| Crazily, I know this specifically. | ||
| It popped directly into my mind, and I will tell you what it is. | ||
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Dan. | |
| What's that? | ||
| Dan, were you ever part of the Book It program? | ||
| You don't get to ask me a question in response to my question. | ||
| Well, that's what I'm doing. | ||
| I understand that's a rhetorical technique. | ||
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That's where I got it. | |
| I was. | ||
| I was a part of Book It. | ||
| I remember in first grade. | ||
| You win those personal pan pizzas and shit? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| I won in one week. | ||
| I won eight personal pan pizzas. | ||
| That's too many for one week. | ||
| I just went all out. | ||
| I don't think I read a book again for like six months. | ||
| But for one week, I read all of the books. | ||
| And that was the first time that I truly felt like I had achieved something. | ||
| Taking that first bite of a personal pan pizza. | ||
| That's how you soothed all your wounds from when the rest of the class kicked your ass for that. | ||
| Exactly, yes. | ||
| Nerd! | ||
| You are correct. | ||
| I was looked at with just absolute disgust by everyone else. | ||
| I can only imagine. | ||
| When I had that, I read so much that it sort of embarrassed the rest of the class. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And I remember it brought me to tears. | ||
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The mockery that came from the Book It program. | |
| So that was not a sense of achievement for me as much as it was a shame about... | ||
| Accomplishment. | ||
| I had one saving grace, which was that in my class, there was another woman. | ||
| A woman. | ||
| It was first grade, so she was a woman. | ||
| By now, woman. | ||
| By now, she's a woman. | ||
| And she had always read more books than everybody else. | ||
| She was famous in the class for being that person. | ||
| In the class, everybody knew. | ||
| Everybody knew. | ||
| The whole school, Dan. | ||
| And I kicked her ass that week. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| So that was a big deal. | ||
| People didn't beat me up so much. | ||
| Was she taking an off week, you think? | ||
| Was she going easy on you? | ||
| No, she had like six. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Yeah, it was serious. | ||
| But yeah, they're probably like, I don't know. | ||
| Ramona Quimby, age eight, right? | ||
| That's the kind of books we're talking about. | ||
| We're talking about Cam Jensen. | ||
| I was all about the Redwall series. | ||
| It was 300-page long books. | ||
| That's what I was up to. | ||
| But those are easy to read. | ||
| No offense to you and your youth. | ||
| No, it's fine. | ||
| It's fine. | ||
| But Dan, today something that isn't easy to read. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| That's the best transition I got for you. | ||
| That's not bad. | ||
| Is what we're going to talk about. | ||
| Yeah, so what we've got here is, Jordan, you're taking over this episode. | ||
| That's the plan! | ||
| And to give people a little bit of context of why it's like, you know, listening to the present day stuff, I was thinking about doing another Friday, episode for Friday about Alex's... | ||
| intensity in the present day, but it's very similar to what we talked about on Wednesday. | ||
| So I felt like it would be kind of repetitive and not really serve anyone's interests all that well. | ||
| And simultaneously, I thought it would be kind of... | ||
| Yeah, that's dope. | ||
| Like a lot. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And then, you know, some of these Wacky Wednesday folks aren't bringing it. | ||
| There's nothing really good over at Project Camelot land. | ||
| Reverend Manning, I don't really think. | ||
| I think we got to the bottom of that guy. | ||
| I think we can let that one go. | ||
| Coach Dave's boring as shit. | ||
| A lot of these other candidates just really aren't all that interesting. | ||
| Someone like a Steven Crowder, you know, we can't do an episode about him. | ||
| No interest. | ||
| He's joking. | ||
| Yeah, quote, unquote. | ||
| I considered a number of these overt, you know, white supremacist type YouTube thing, like the right stuff. | ||
| Like the president. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But those things aren't really all that in our wheelhouse to talk about because they are overt with what they're talking about. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| It kind of takes away a little bit of the shine if you're like, hey, you guys are being... | ||
| Yeah, yeah, we love it! | ||
| Okay. | ||
| All right, well, that kind of invalidates our criticism a little bit. | ||
| Yeah, so it's tough, and it felt like this is the perfect time. | ||
| It's been far too long. | ||
| Let's get back into... | ||
| Letting Jordan take over and seeing what happens. | ||
| It's the one day of the year Dan remembers my job is actually difficult. | ||
| I think I will relearn that once again. | ||
| We'll find out. | ||
| I don't know anything about what you're going to do. | ||
| I know. | ||
| Except I have a hunch that it'll be probably surrounding one of your big piccadillos. | ||
| Well, as you know, I have two main issues. | ||
| First, I am very passionate about climate change and the danger. | ||
| And second... | ||
| I am very passionate about choosing weird, weird people to hate forever. | ||
| For instance... | ||
| Why do I hate Conor Friedersdorf so much? | ||
| Well, partially because he validated you by getting into a Twitter fight with you just recently. | ||
| Hey, I have been fighting Conor Friedersdorf for years. | ||
| Yeah, but he just responded to you. | ||
| It was lovely to call him a dum-dum to his face. | ||
| That was one of the more surreal things ever. | ||
| The sort of TV talking back who was watching on Twitter as that unfolded. | ||
| I was like, ooh, Jordan is... | ||
| He's not wilting from this. | ||
| He's throwing punches right back at this nationally syndicated columnist. | ||
| What are you going to do? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| What am I going to back down to his shitty writing? | ||
| Let's take this to the DMs! | ||
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Yeah! | |
| Yeah! | ||
| I got him! | ||
| And then, of course, the combination of both of those things, insignificant weirdos to hate and climate change, is my big boogeyman, Mark Moreno. | ||
| He... | ||
| Is a giant piece of shit. | ||
| That was certainly what you went over on the last time you took over the show. | ||
| And now I aim to prove that we never, and not just we, but no one ever needs to speak to Mark Moreno ever again. | ||
| That's very exciting. | ||
| And we'll get to that proof in just one moment. | ||
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| Thank you, Thomas. | ||
| I had a buddy named Thomas that I always used to call Tomas, and it really pissed him off. | ||
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| Thank you, Aaron. | ||
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| Thank you, Tom. | ||
| Tom. | ||
| The Tom team is strong on this episode. | ||
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| Crikey, mate. | ||
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That's fantastic. | |
| Have yourself a brew. | ||
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How's your 401k doing, bro? | |
| All right, we got to go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, all right? | ||
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Let's just get down to business. | |
| We ain't making that money off that heroin. | ||
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Why are you pimp so good? | |
| My neck is freakishly large. | ||
| I declare Infowar on you. | ||
| Thank you so much, Danny and Josephine. | ||
| Yes, thank you very much. | ||
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| Well, Dan, today we're going to talk about Mark Moreno. | ||
| He wound up on September 23rd going on Fox News. | ||
| Of this year. | ||
| Of this year. | ||
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Wow. | |
| The same day that Greta spoke to the U.N. Greta! | ||
| He was on both Fox& Friends and Fox Business. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And his counter-programming. | ||
| That makes sense. | ||
| And we're going to talk about his interviews. | ||
| Do you mean to tell me that Fox News didn't just call Lord Moncton? | ||
| No, it's a surprise, right? | ||
| They might as well have. | ||
| But before we get to those interviews, Dan, you're going to have to play this out-of-context drama. | ||
| All right. | ||
| If we can go to Walmart, buy a solar panel, get off the grid, we can stop this nonsense about the Green New Deal. | ||
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Hmm. | |
| All right. | ||
| That's my favorite, favorite quote. | ||
| Well, I mean, is he expressing that if we all went to, like, renewable energies, then we wouldn't need a Green New Deal? | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| He is just saying that, as a sarcastic aside, it's just like, sure, they say that we need renewable energy, and it wouldn't be lovely if we could all just go off the grid and burn down pipelines and shit. | ||
| Then we can stop the Green New Deal. | ||
| And it was just absolutely surreal to listen to that. | ||
| So, he shows up on Fox and Friends first, because it is the morning show, naturally. | ||
| And it is filled with the type of dum-dums who are going to allow him to say absolutely ridiculous things. | ||
| You talking about the Deuce? | ||
| I am talking about Steve Deucey. | ||
| I'm talking about Brian Kilmeade. | ||
| Kilmeade! | ||
| And I am talking about whoever else they have on that show. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But, the thing about him is, if you are booking him in 2019... | ||
| You know exactly what he's going to say. | ||
| And it completely invalidates your show. | ||
| He has nothing new to add. | ||
| He has nothing that hasn't been debunked a million times. | ||
| He is not referencing anything that he has not talked about. | ||
| There's no groundbreaking information that Moreno's bringing to the table? | ||
| Decade. | ||
| For a decade. | ||
| So you put him on your show for one reason and one reason only. | ||
| And that's to spread climate denial propaganda. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| And if you put him on your show, it's an admission of guilt that that is what you are trying to do. | ||
| Because, goddammit, if he hasn't... | ||
| I mean, it's ridiculous. | ||
| But, this time, he has one wrinkle. | ||
| He has done some man-on-the-street interviews, Dan. | ||
| And you know how we love man-on-the-street interviews. | ||
| These people are so convinced that those mean something. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| It's wild that it's so... | ||
| You find it in so many different places. | ||
| You know, like, I mean, I guess Fox News and Infowars aren't too far from each other, spiritually at least. | ||
| But yeah, that idea that they're just like, you know what, we asked seven people on the street and edited together three of their responses. | ||
| Boom! | ||
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Did it! | |
| We win! | ||
| That's weird. | ||
| Right? | ||
| They're supposed to be news. | ||
| Here's the weirdest part. | ||
| Or at least, I don't think this is weird. | ||
| I think this is brilliant as far as strategy goes. | ||
| Unlike so many other man-on-the-street interviews where the idea is, we're going to catch these people who are uninformed, we're going to edit together to make it look like all these climate people are fucking stupid. | ||
| We took care of that. | ||
| They did something really, really, I think, smart. | ||
| Which is they got all these kids to say 100% true and accurate things, and they did it well. | ||
| Every one of these people nails it. | ||
| Every single thing they say is correct. | ||
| And it's just like we talked about where they're going for your strength to make like they're attacking you on the strength. | ||
| They're not trying swift boating. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
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They are swift boating. | |
| They are not trying to make these people look stupid. | ||
| They're trying to make their ideas stupid because they're coming from children. | ||
| That's their plan. | ||
| So here's our first interview. | ||
| This is the first thing that they play. | ||
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You like Greta over Trump? | |
| She's helping make the world a better place. | ||
| By trying to help clean up the environment. | ||
| Trump's doing the exact opposite! | ||
| Makes sense. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Both of them nailed it. | ||
| That one girl is about, like, eight years old. | ||
| And then the other one looks like she might be related to her, but nobody knows because she just hops into frame and she nails it. | ||
| And she's just like, and Trump's doing the exact opposite! | ||
| I guess what the argument from that clip that I can gather is sort of like, just the idea of like, if you believe this, you agree with children. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And it's like, hey man, children are sometimes right about things. | ||
| Like, chicken fingers are great. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| You know, like, it's not... | ||
| Universally, children aren't wrong about everything. | ||
| The reasons for believing what they believe that I agree with might be... | ||
| Different. | ||
| Like, we might have different paths to a conclusion, but I love chocolate, too. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| I don't know why it's all food stuff. | ||
| Well, we're recording around one, so, you know. | ||
| Well, because I have a baby mouth, but still. | ||
| You have a what? | ||
| A baby mouth. | ||
| What is a baby mouth? | ||
| I've never heard that term before. | ||
| It's something like it gets yelled at me by friends a lot because I don't like a lot of foods. | ||
| That's what they say? | ||
| Yeah, you got a baby mouth. | ||
| Oh, I always heard you're a picky eater. | ||
| Well, I mean, that's basically what it means. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I prefer baby mouth, though. | ||
| Not much of it comes down to the texture of the food for everyone out there who's curious. | ||
| I don't like tofu. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Get the fuck away from me. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| I cannot chew that. | ||
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Right. | |
| It's disgusting. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I've made my piece. | ||
| I think so. | ||
| Me and kids agree on that, too. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And that Greta's better for the climate than Trump. | ||
| Easily. | ||
| That's the insidious nature of it, though, is that they want you to associate. | ||
| Look at how silly this girl is. | ||
| She's jumping and screaming, and Trump's doing the exact opposite. | ||
| But if you took all that, just the same exact words that those kids said, and put them from some random talking head on CNN, they would sound perfectly reasonable. | ||
| There's no way that you could take those words in that order and say that they're wrong. | ||
| So they don't do that. | ||
| They don't react to that with like, And here's how Trump is helping. | ||
| They just laugh at her. | ||
| They're just like, look at how stupid these kids are. | ||
| So the idea is, if you're watching Fox News and you see them talking shit about these kids, they're saying the exact same sentences and you're laughing at them because they're children. | ||
| And then on CNN, somebody says that later that night and you're like, that's what that stupid children said. | ||
| Yeah, it's a good strategy. | ||
| Killing, or shooting the messenger kind of thing. | ||
| You don't have to deal with what's being said, because you've already said, fuck this kid. | ||
| Speaking of which, there's supposed to be the family values, like we protect the children, we celebrate the child, God bless the child! | ||
| You know, that kind of network, and yet there they are using just the appearance of children to make an idea stupid. | ||
| Oh yeah. | ||
| That's great. | ||
| It's good stuff. | ||
| They're wonderful. | ||
| It's good stuff. | ||
| Now, Dan. | ||
| Let me ask you, do you know why children love Greta so much? | ||
| Probably some sort of version of seeing themselves reflected in her a little bit, some sort of identification factor. | ||
| The idea that she's making positive change in the world and they, through her, believe that maybe they too could make positive change in the world. | ||
| That's my guess. | ||
| Yeah, that sounds very reasonable. | ||
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You would be surprised to discover how wrong you are. | |
| Is that right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What is it about her that has interested so many young people? | ||
| Well, she sells fear. | ||
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Oh! | |
| Yeah, that's what it is. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| She's a fear salesman. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| That's why the youth are so into Alex Jones. | ||
| They love fear. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| That makes sense. | ||
| I thought they were going to say it was the pigtails. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| It would have been lovely if there was some... | ||
| What is that? | ||
| What's her name with the pigtails? | ||
| Pippi Longstocking. | ||
| Pippi Longstocking. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I was also thinking of... | ||
| What was the other one? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| There's another Pippi? | ||
| No, there's another, like... | ||
| Young woman who is always in a field or something. | ||
| Are you thinking of, like, the Ricola salespeople? | ||
| They sell beer. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| What else is there when you hear a giant screaming sound? | ||
| The horn, that big brrrr. | ||
| Yeah, that's a tornado siren. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know if I agree with them so far. | ||
| I'm trying to take a really objective stance, as I'm known to do on this show. | ||
| Naturally, naturally. | ||
| It doesn't seem like... | ||
| What's fun to me about that is literally... | ||
| He is saying, throughout this entire interview, we need to be afraid of Greta. | ||
| And he is basically telling that to everybody who is watching the show, while at the same time starting with, Greta's the one who's trying to make you afraid. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And that's why you should be terrified of Greta! | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| Now this, from our sponsors. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That kind of thing. | ||
| Our message is one of hope. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Hope. | ||
| That is only found in fossil fuels. | ||
| Yes, exactly. | ||
| Whereas this 16-year-old scaremonger is out there trying to make you afraid. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| So be afraid of her attempts to make you afraid. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| I bring you the warm, soft, comforting blanket of cold. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
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All right. | |
| Exactly. | ||
| I see where this is going. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| That's basically where we are going to keep going with this interview. | ||
| It is all like... | ||
| Here's what's wrong with Greta. | ||
| Here's how Greta is hurting you. | ||
| And what's best? | ||
| What's the best part? | ||
| And also, Greta is hurting your children. | ||
| She is also doing that. | ||
| Yeah, we heard a bit of that from Alex as well. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Greta Thunberg started in Sweden every Friday outside the Swedish parliament, and it spread to skip school in order to have a future. | ||
| In other words, she's actually said, and she's addressed the EU, the United States Congress, testified that why should kids go to school if they have a future that will be no more unless government passes laws like the Green New Deal, more UN treaties. | ||
| See? | ||
| It's her fault entirely. | ||
| She's telling all your kids to not even go to school, Dan. | ||
| Little does Mark Moreno know I dropped out of high school probably before Greta was born. | ||
| There's other reasons. | ||
| I would say so. | ||
| She's just weaponizing that towards a positive goal. | ||
| She's weaponizing dropping out of school. | ||
| Or skipping school. | ||
| The fear that people have of their kids not being... | ||
| Formally educated or whatever. | ||
| I think you could make an argument for that. | ||
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Right. | |
| Maybe. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But I don't know how much that's destroying kids. | ||
| I don't think it's destroying kids at all. | ||
| And dropping out of school didn't really hurt me that much. | ||
| I still went to college. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| It's no big deal. | ||
| And the thing about that is it is unbelievable how quick all of this happened. | ||
| It's really, really amazing. | ||
| Here's when Greta started. | ||
| A year ago. | ||
| That was it. | ||
| It was the strikes, right? | ||
| Right. | ||
| She started by skipping school on, what is it, August 20th, 2018. | ||
| She skipped school and goes outside the Swedish parliament, telling them they need to do more on climate change. | ||
| Because Soros told her to. | ||
| Yes, well, naturally. | ||
| On the 26th, she did it again. | ||
| And this time, a bunch of other students and teachers and parents all came along with her. | ||
| In September, she began to do it every single Friday. | ||
| So this is September 2018. | ||
| This is about a year ago. | ||
| And all of a sudden, students in other schools... | ||
| So, from when she started it... | ||
| In August to March, she got a Nobel Peace Prize nomination. | ||
| See, now the path that you're describing, this quick progression of it and stuff, like, this is what the right wing uses to argue that there's no way this was organic. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know, like, what you're doing is laying the track that those people used to be like, this is all bullshit. | ||
| Right, of course. | ||
| This astroturf. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Now, at the same time in March, more than two million students. | ||
| Over 135 countries start walking out. | ||
| In May, she's named one of the most influential people in the world by time. | ||
| She started this when she was 15, and in eight months, she is one of the most influential people in the world. | ||
| I don't know if you have this in your research. | ||
| Has Mark Moreno ever been named on that list, or has he ever been? | ||
| Like, nominated for Nobel? | ||
| For a Nobel Peace Prize? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| He did get one for literature, inexplicably. | ||
| He's got a Pulitzer. | ||
| Yeah, it was him and Steve Pachanek, both of their work on Tom Clancy novels. | ||
| I think I read that in their bios. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then, in August 14th, she gets on a climate-neutral boat to be, she's invited to the UN Climate Summit. | ||
| Again, she is six-fucking-team. | ||
| And then on September 20th, on September 20th, That was the climate strike that took place in over 185 countries. | ||
| The number is incalculable of people who participated in that. | ||
| And then on September 23rd, she finally speaks to the UN. | ||
| I hope everybody has watched and seen the entire video, but it's just impossible. | ||
| I watched this speech the entire time, and then I watched people talking about it on all the talking heads. | ||
| And they're just talking about it very calmly. | ||
| Greta Thunberg speaks to the UN. | ||
| That is not how she sounds. | ||
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This is all wrong. | |
| I shouldn't be up here. | ||
| I should be back in school on the other side of the ocean. | ||
| Yet, you all come to us young people for hope. | ||
| How dare you? | ||
| She had the balls to say that to the fucking UN. | ||
| Well, it's not like the UN's gonna kill her. | ||
| Like, I mean, I understand that it does take a lot of strength, and I'm not taking that away from her at all. | ||
| That's an amazing act of bravery. | ||
| And, like, when you're 16, I don't think that most people would be able to just give a speech, period. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Let alone something that confrontational. | ||
| To the most powerful people in the entire world. | ||
| Right. | ||
| They're the most powerful. | ||
| But, again, it's not like they're going to kill her. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's not like she became an incredibly famous figure and now people are sending her death threats all day every day. | ||
| Well, but who are people sending her death threats? | ||
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It's not the U.S. Well, Putin called her a bunch of nicks. | |
| Well, that's a little different. | ||
| It's not like Junker or whatever. | ||
| All the people who Alex points a figure at. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That doesn't take away anything. | ||
| I'm just saying. | ||
| No, I get it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But just for comparison, go ahead and play the... | ||
| This is Bloomberg. | ||
| Okay. | ||
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And let me also thank President Trump for coming today to the United Nations. | |
| Hopefully our discussions here will be useful for you when you formulate climate policy. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Well, it's not like they're going to kill us. | ||
| Isn't that... | ||
| Yeah, it's a real juxtaposition of strategies. | ||
| Yeah, of strategies or being a giant piece of shit like Bloomberg. | ||
| I fucking hate him. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know enough to say. | ||
| That was 20 minutes after Greta's speech. | ||
| Like, that's what he came to... | ||
| And let's hear her one more time. | ||
| Okay. | ||
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You have stolen my dreams and my childhood with your empty words. | |
| Yeah, she's a... | ||
| I can't get over this. | ||
| I cannot get over the fact that she is 16 and she is saying that. | ||
| I could barely do that now, let alone when I was 16. Sure. | ||
| That's incredible. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And the amount of pressure and everything that she has been under and how she has responded to it and the fucking steel will that she has is so unique that it's hard to comprehend. | ||
| I really could not, I cannot say enough that Greta is truly a fucking hero, beyond anything that I think I've encountered in a long while. | ||
| She's very forceful, and she's right, and she's telling the world off, and she's making sure that everybody knows. | ||
| But, you know, what she's representing is a large group of young people, ostensibly, who are worried about the Earth and worried about their future. | ||
| You would think that climate change is a threat to their future, right? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Not true. | ||
| Mark Moreno knows what the real threat to children is. | ||
| It's now in Europe where kids are getting anti-anxiety medication. | ||
| They believe they're going to die. | ||
| She is the Greta effect. | ||
| She's causing and instilling fear in millions of kids around the world. | ||
| Yep, it's Greta. | ||
| She's the real threat, Dan. | ||
| Mental illness and anxiety disorders did not exist before. | ||
| August 20th, 2018. | ||
| Yes, you are correct. | ||
| So, this makes sense. | ||
| This checks out. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Congratulations, Mark. | ||
| You've made a spectacular argument. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| And now, I was looking into this because he said the EU specifically, and I was like, why would you choose the EU? | ||
| I couldn't find anything specific to the EU that makes any sense. | ||
| Well, it's because she's Swedish. | ||
| I would assume, right? | ||
| They're not taking anxiety? | ||
| No, I mean, she comes from a European country, so that's why he's saying EU. | ||
| Oh, yeah, that's true. | ||
| I feel like it's just that simple. | ||
| Yeah, you're probably right. | ||
| That's my guess. | ||
| You're probably right. | ||
| But the thing is, I couldn't find anything about the EU, but in March of 2017, the American Psychological Association released a 69-page report. | ||
| About this very idea. | ||
| This climate-induced anxiety. | ||
| And it has a bunch of tips for mental health professionals on how to deal with what they call solastalgia. | ||
| The distress that is produced by environmental change impacting on people while they are directly connected to their home environment. | ||
| Here are some of my favorite tips. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Sunscreen. | ||
| Baz Luhrmann. | ||
| They cribbed Baz Luhrmann. | ||
| They did not add sunscreen, strangely enough. | ||
| Shit. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| Tip number one. | ||
| Build belief in one's own resilience. | ||
| Not a bad tip. | ||
| That's pretty good generally. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| That doesn't even apply to solesthesia or whatever this is called. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You'll find a running tally of that. | ||
| They're just general good tips for... | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Tip number two. | ||
| Foster optimism. | ||
| Not a bad idea. | ||
| No. | ||
| Tip number three. | ||
| Cultivate active coping and self-regulation skills. | ||
| Tip number four, maintain practices that help to provide a sense of meaning. | ||
| And tip number five, promote connectedness to family, place, culture, and community. | ||
| These are all very specific to climate change, right? | ||
| You know what? | ||
| Here's the fucking bullshit about this. | ||
| First of all, these are trite, but good. | ||
| They're good. | ||
| No, they are good. | ||
| They're not specific in any way. | ||
| These accusations that someone like Mark Moreno would be making of she's causing anxiety and fear and all this stuff, this would be totally right on. | ||
| If Greta was getting up and being like, hey, you know what? | ||
| This is all bullshit, and we shouldn't do anything about it. | ||
| We're all gonna die. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| Like, if she was coming out with a message of nihilism, and just like this tune-out, like, let's all form a death cult now. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Then, yeah, sure. | ||
| But then she'd be even more my hero. | ||
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Right. | |
| Part and parcel of the message that's being sent is, you know, there are things we can do, and there are things that we should do. | ||
| So along with the anxiety that might come up in some people who hear the message, there's also an optimism. | ||
| There's also a clear, actionable set of things that can be done. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I just don't buy the idea that climate activists are causing that kind of a reaction. | ||
| Because there is action. | ||
| There is... | ||
| A way of averting the negative outcomes that would cause fear. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like, I just don't get it. | ||
| I mean, they're liars. | ||
| Well, yeah. | ||
| I mean, that does hurt. | ||
| In Moreno's eyes, obviously, the real fear is Greta. | ||
| And what she's doing, she's telling kids all of this stuff, and now they're anxious. | ||
| They're all losing their minds. | ||
| Now, that hasn't been shown to be true at all. | ||
| But... | ||
| Climate change does have a demonstrable effect on mental health. | ||
| Oh, geez. | ||
| The concept itself. | ||
| Just raising temperatures. | ||
| Not the concept. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| The thing itself, yes. | ||
| The phenomenon. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Not the concept, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, the phenomenon. | ||
| With two studies, one in 2001 by Anderson et al. | ||
| and another in 2005 by Simister and Cooper. | ||
| Sinister? | ||
| Sim-mister, right? | ||
| It seems like it should be. | ||
| I thought it was the guy from Avenged Sevenfold. | ||
| Sinister Gates. | ||
| Is he called Sinister? | ||
| I thought it was another Ethan Hawke movie. | ||
| Could be. | ||
| They showed a causal relationship between increased heat and increased aggression. | ||
| You know, it's in summers in Chicago, we all know, the death toll goes up. | ||
| Well, it's really fucking annoying to be hot. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I think we all know that just on an experiential basis. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's fucking really bothersome. | ||
| It is. | ||
| I'm a sweaty dude, too. | ||
| It's even worse. | ||
| It sucks. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Think of that. | ||
| Every little bit, every little day, the higher temperature causes more and more aggression. | ||
| Furthermore... | ||
| Well, you gotta think about how expensive it is to use air conditioning. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I'm just trapped. | ||
| What if you can't afford a Freon? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Which also is killing the planet, in case you were wondering. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Yeah, you're damned either way. | ||
| Which causes more heat, which causes more frustration. | ||
| There you go. | ||
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God. | |
| It's a vicious cycle. | ||
| And also, it's not just, like, aggression towards other people. | ||
| Quote, higher temperatures have been linked to increased levels of suicide. | ||
| It appears that the... | ||
| this is from a study in 2006 by Lee et al. | ||
| It appears that the distress of feeling too hot can overwhelm coping ability for people who are already psychologically fragile. | ||
| Climate emergencies can also exacerbate Right. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Is in 2013, a Consolo Willocks, which I don't know if that's how you pronounced it, they examined the impact of climate change on a small Inuit community. | ||
| These people have very personally and directly seen climate change in action. | ||
| It's not like... | ||
| It's not like they're, you know, living in Illinois. | ||
| It's not as abstract. | ||
| It is right fucking there. | ||
| They see their land disappear. | ||
| They see their hunting grounds disappear, just like most, you know, indigenous species in all of those places. | ||
| Except they can tell people how it feels. | ||
| And they specifically said that because of this change... | ||
| They started feeling insecurity, anger, stress, but most of all a loss of community. | ||
| Like they didn't feel connected to each other as much anymore. | ||
| And the elders were specifically concerned about the preservation of the Inuit language and culture. | ||
| This quote is damning. | ||
| We are people of the sea ice. | ||
| If there's no more sea ice, how can we be people of the sea ice? | ||
| Yeah, that makes sense. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That sentence tracks. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| As we see climate change progress, the biggest issue, I think, is one that we're not really talking as much about, and that is the massive amount of displacement. | ||
| Oh, sure. | ||
| Combined with the loss of community and the increase of aggression. | ||
| Well, and there's so many, like, even urban areas that are going to be, like, around the world that are going to be uninhabitable. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That, like, the displacement won't just be from, like, coastal areas or anything. | ||
| It'll be, yeah, it could be pretty severe. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| And he's not really terribly interested in the mental health effects of climate change. | ||
| What about the, like, people in the farmers in India that had, like, all their crops diminished? | ||
| And there's that study about increased suicide rates among them. | ||
| Like, does he care about that? | ||
| While the Syrian Civil War, most people attribute that to, that is most people, or most scientists who've studied it, political scientists as well, think that that's probably the first war that's directly tied to climate change. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| I was unaware of that. | ||
| Yeah, there was a drought in the mid-2000s that caused all of the previously disparate farming communities and all of those small communities to... | ||
| lose all of their food. | ||
| And so they had to move to the city and the city wasn't ready for an influx of that many people. | ||
| Nobody had jobs. | ||
| You have 18 to 23 year olds with less than 60% unemployment and Yeah, that makes some sense. | ||
| I was unaware of those variables in action. | ||
| I mean, nobody's saying that it's entirely just because they had to move. | ||
| There are a few grievances in Syria, aside from like... | ||
| There are a couple. | ||
| Yeah, there's a few bad guys. | ||
| But again, Dan, we get back to the children. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Won't someone think of the children, Dan? | ||
| Someone needs to. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that person is Mark Moreno, and he has something that he would say to a child. | ||
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Mark, a lot of kids, you know, they watch their other friends say certain things. | |
| They jump on board. | ||
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They celebrate, you know, Earth Day and do all these projects. | |
| Air pressure. | ||
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Exactly. | |
| If this were your child, though, what would you tell him or her? | ||
| Well, first of all, I would tell them the government can't legislate the climate. | ||
| All right. | ||
| I mean, it's fair. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| To some extent. | ||
| I know, but... | ||
| Can't pass a bill. | ||
| The temperatures are going down. | ||
| I know the idea, though, of him, like, what would you say to your child? | ||
| I imagine his child being, like, seven or eight. | ||
| He's just like, well, first off, government can't legislate climate. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Not, you know, don't be afraid. | ||
| That would be nice. | ||
| Something like that. | ||
| Reassuring. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I also love the idea that Doocy just jumped in there and called engaging with the curriculum peer pressure. | ||
| When I was in 6th, 7th grade or whatever, they made us learn about one month was Monarch Butterfly Month. | ||
| They had to learn all about goddamn Monarch Butterflies. | ||
| Next month was pastas. | ||
| They had to learn about different pasta shapes. | ||
| This is stupid. | ||
| It wasn't peer pressure that made me learn those things. | ||
| It was the curriculum. | ||
| You're in school. | ||
| You were told to by authorities. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I learned about pasta, and I know quite a bit about different shapes. | ||
| Do you? | ||
| I don't remember most of it. | ||
| But I did for a while. | ||
| There was a time. | ||
| The one that's like spaghetti but spinny? | ||
| I remember. | ||
| I knew about that. | ||
| Oh, that has a name. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's spinny spaghetti, right? | ||
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Nope. | |
| Certainly not. | ||
| Probably not. | ||
| 13-year-old me could have told you all about it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, that sounds funny. | ||
| 35-year-old me? | ||
| Not so much. | ||
| Spinny spaghetti. | ||
| Is it called frozen pizza? | ||
| It is now. | ||
| I don't know what Mark would actually say to his own kid about the climate change, but he has called Greta an autistic prophet. | ||
| Sure. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| He's not been very complimentary to her. | ||
| I imagine he's not great with kids. | ||
| That's my guess. | ||
| But he doesn't think that you can legislate climate change. | ||
| Well, you can't legislate the climate. | ||
| No, you cannot. | ||
| Which is fair. | ||
| It's a technically accurate statement. | ||
| You're right. | ||
| Otherwise, I'd pass a bill that these damn plants need to start getting some peppers out of them. | ||
| Wish I could do that. | ||
| You still don't have any peppers? | ||
| Just pass a bill right here. | ||
| Peppers need to come now. | ||
| He is writing it down. | ||
| We the people of the United States. | ||
| Plant watch. | ||
| Things are not going great. | ||
| Things are not going great? | ||
| Short version of it. | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| Why's that? | ||
| I made a mistake. | ||
| Jake, I didn't realize that you had to plant each sapling or seedling in its own pot. | ||
| I planted some, like two or three to a pot, which made sense when they were tiny, but now they're big. | ||
| And I'm realizing I'm going to have to try and disentangle their roots. | ||
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You're going to have to replant them. | |
| And I don't think I'm able to do that. | ||
| And it's getting cold in Chicago, so they can't be by the window. | ||
| I could get a heat lamp. | ||
| Look, there's a lot of struggles. | ||
| I didn't plan ahead. | ||
| I don't know any of this stuff. | ||
| If I could legislate, I would do it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Absolutely. | |
| I think that would be a good idea. | ||
| next planting will be bad. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| But I'm sorry, I didn't mean to derail there. | ||
| No, actually, you have nailed it on the head. | ||
| Here's the problem with Greta, right? | ||
| And with really all the kids in the school. | ||
| Is it the pigtails? | ||
| No, it's not the pigtails. | ||
| It's that they just don't want to work, Dan. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| Say, if you really want to protest, do something challenging. | ||
| Why would you skip school? | ||
| That's an easy thing for any kid to do. | ||
| Give up social media for a couple days. | ||
| Give up your iPhone. | ||
| Give up your tablet. | ||
| Let's see how long they go without social media. | ||
| That would be a protest. | ||
| Greta's issue. | ||
| She doesn't do anything challenging, Dan. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| I guess there's different definitions of challenging. | ||
| You know. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I just think, like, you know, there's consequences that can come from skipping school or from encouraging everyone to skip school. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's consequences that can come from that, and taking that sort of a risk is a challenge in and of itself. | ||
| So, like, yes, the act of skipping school if you want to go smoke weed and play video games, sure, I mean, there's a risk to it. | ||
| There's a little bit of a challenge, but you're not coming out and saying, I'm skipping school to do this. | ||
| You're trying to hide. | ||
| The openness about it and the meaning behind it, I think, adds a little more of a challenge. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Would you say that it's more challenging than giving up social media for a little while? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| People are really into social media. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| Did she have to give up social media while she was taking a climate-neutral boat across the fucking Atlantic Ocean? | ||
| That's pretty challenging, Dan. | ||
| As we know from conspiracy theorists, that boat ride didn't happen because her hands weren't sunburned when she got off the boat. | ||
| Really? | ||
| That's a conspiracy theory I've seen passed around. | ||
| Is that right? | ||
| No, I didn't mean were her hands really sunburned. | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I don't care what that... | ||
| I was telling you about this in one of our recent episodes, all the hand-based conspiracies about her. | ||
| Well, yeah, but I didn't know there were that many. | ||
| Okay. | ||
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Oh, yeah, yeah. | |
| Oh, boy. | ||
| What other kind of hand-based conspiracy theories? | ||
| Something about the size not being right? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| I didn't look too deeply into it because it seemed crazy. | ||
| Yeah, it does sound crazy. | ||
| But, yeah, I mean, I don't know. | ||
| I guess what I would say is, like, this is always going to be a way to attack people who make moves, and that is to say there's something else they should have done. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Because there will always be that. | ||
| Like, let's say you go on a hunger strike, but you're still using your phone. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Well, why didn't you give up social media? | ||
| You just gave up food. | ||
| It'll always be... | ||
| Why don't you do something challenging? | ||
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Right. | |
| Your body's just going to eat its own fat. | ||
| You're fine. | ||
| Social media not giving that up is tough. | ||
| God, I really feel like we are not that far away from that actually being an argument on Fox News. | ||
| Well, but I mean, if you want to make a disingenuous argument against anybody who's doing something, you'll always be able to find it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's just a matter of how craven do you want to be? | ||
| How transparently full of shit do you wish to be publicly? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And we see. | ||
| All right, she's done this thing. | ||
| Why didn't you do the other thing? | ||
| I will set the standards by which the integrity or anything of your protest is judged by, and I deem you to be failing. | ||
| It's just amazing to have that naked, craven attitude of this girl is about to speak to the UN. | ||
| He's given this interview like an hour before she goes up, and he's telling her to do something challenging. | ||
| Bananas to me. | ||
| Absolutely bananas. | ||
| But after that, after he insults Greta in every possible way he can think of, we finally get to the sweet man-on-the-street interviews. | ||
| Oh, hell yeah. | ||
| Did they subcontract Mark Dice? | ||
| No, they did not. | ||
| They did not allow him anywhere near there. | ||
| But yeah, they edited together three interviews and I think you'll see a little through line there. | ||
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It'd be better to eat things in season and eat a lot less meat. | |
| The change that we need isn't just like everyone needs to change their lifestyles and their own habits. | ||
| We need to restructure the economy. | ||
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We went from using sporks to separate forks and knives and they're all individually wrapped in their own plastic. | |
| It's really confusing. | ||
| Bring back the sporks. | ||
| Now, which one do you think they focused on? | ||
| Spork! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, of course they did. | ||
| But to be fair, that's not, like, maybe she didn't articulate that all that well because she was saying, like, I don't know and, like, sort of stammering through it. | ||
| That's not really that nonsensical of a position. | ||
| Like, whatever, like, I don't know. | ||
| I guess I always resented my parents growing up because... | ||
| Only reusable things would ever be acceptable. | ||
| They refused to buy me Lunchables because there's too much trash in them and stuff like that. | ||
| I always hated that because I wanted a fucking Lunchable. | ||
| They looked delicious. | ||
| All my friends had them. | ||
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They had little sweets in there with little pizza. | |
| Segregated foods. | ||
| But as I've grown older, I kind of realized that they had a pretty good point. | ||
| It's so much less trash than, I don't know, you get some box of this giant Costco box of something, and then Tupperware. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| It makes sense. | ||
| All I hear when that last person's talking about Sporks is kind of similar, in the sense that, like, if we had... | ||
| We could cut down on a lot of trash that we're creating, especially plastic trash. | ||
| Eh, I don't know. | ||
| I could see how they would make fun of her, though. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, well... | ||
| Because they're Fox fucking news. | ||
| Yeah, well, I mean, there was a little laugh there at the end, which suggests the second person was like... | ||
| The concept is correct, but I'm making a little joke out of that last little part. | ||
| Also, spork's a fucking funny word, man. | ||
| It is a funny word. | ||
| The concept actually is 100% a very, very good idea. | ||
| But even intuitively, I know you're about to explain why, but even intuitively it does make some sense as long as you're not primed to mock it. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
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| Yeah. | ||
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No, if we were, like, because the idea that they're expressing is if we took one... | |
| We have forks and we have spoons. | ||
| That's twice as much as if we had one utensil. | ||
| Theoretically, the idea that they're expressing... | ||
| You could even make a little serrated piece of it and get a knife in there, too. | ||
| You could have the uni-utensil. | ||
| Yeah, I like that. | ||
| Unitensil. | ||
| Unitensil? | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| We're going to be rich. | ||
| We're going to be rich? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We'll make twice as many as we did in forks and spoons. | ||
| 100% already exists. | ||
| But go ahead. | ||
| Yeah, there are about, let's see, in Science Magazine, published on February 13th, 2015, a study found that there are between 4 and 12 million metric tons of plastic poured into the ocean everywhere. | ||
| There are, and it's insane how many, there are garbage barges just spinning around the fucking ocean. | ||
| But maybe even more important is that plastic itself producing it. | ||
| Leaves a massively high-carbon footprint. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| So everything about plastic is bad, and cutting it down in half would be ridiculously good. | ||
| Now, granted, that's not cutting down plastic use in half, but it's cutting down half of one sector. | ||
| Well, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Obviously, it's not completely correct, but they are mocking it in a very stupid way. | ||
| Yeah, it's like that wouldn't solve everything, but it would do something. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| That's another part of their insidious plan, is even the most simple possible solutions, mock them mercilessly. | ||
| That way it's impossible to do anything, especially if it's a large thing. | ||
| Most importantly, any reduction is huge, especially at this point in time. | ||
| But they don't want anything like that. | ||
| Not only that, there are also... | ||
| Here's the other thing about plastic. | ||
| There's a third way that it's fucking everybody up. | ||
| There is a lot of pollution in the production of plastic. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That has to be there usually... | ||
| The plants are built near water almost all the time. | ||
| And a study done by the Clean Water Association shows that in the Bay Area, two-thirds of litter on the streets... | ||
| It was made up of single-use utensils and that kind of shit. | ||
| So not only that, but we'd be dealing with less litter on top of it. | ||
| Every part of single-use silverware, or forks and spoons, is massively destructive to everything. | ||
| There's nothing good here. | ||
| Counterpoint. | ||
| Counterpoint? | ||
| When I make turkey bacon, I've found that if I use a metal fork to flip the bacon, it often will end up scratching my pan. | ||
| Meanwhile, plastic fork doesn't do that. | ||
| Ergo, I love disposable silverware. | ||
| You're right. | ||
| Case proven. | ||
| That's inarguable. | ||
| Hit me up, Mark! | ||
| I want some of that Fox News box. | ||
| He could really use your help. | ||
| I could workshop some of this shit. | ||
| And I'll tell you why. | ||
| Because he's a little bit repetitive. | ||
| I wouldn't imagine that. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| It's almost like medieval witchcraft again, where they just believe if we can use the sporks, we can save our planet and have a future. | ||
| Witches. | ||
| That one is... | ||
| I don't know if that was the right one. | ||
| Can you... | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| Play one more. | ||
| I like to say that this is no more than medieval witchcraft. | ||
| That one's from 2016. | ||
| Sorry, go ahead and play the next one. | ||
| Or a United Nations treaty can save our parks, can save the Statue of Liberty, can save a species of rat in Australia. | ||
| This is just the height of what I call medieval witchcraft. | ||
| And what President Obama... | ||
| Sorry, that one was 2014. | ||
| Go ahead and play one more. | ||
| I think it's the next one. | ||
| It's no better than in 1450 when Aztec priests encouraged people to sacrifice to the gods to end the drought. | ||
| There we go. | ||
| That one's from 2011. | ||
| I don't know if you've noticed. | ||
| This guy seems to have a real rhetorical flourish that he likes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Do you see what I'm saying when I say everybody knows exactly what he's going to say when he shows up on your interview, quote unquote? | ||
| He's going to call climate change stuff barbaric wizardry. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
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Cool. | |
| That's his plan. | ||
| Do you know how many times he's said it? | ||
| I mean, we've got, like, what, five so far? | ||
| So far, yeah. | ||
| $100 trillion? | ||
| Yep, that's $100 trillion. | ||
| That's how many times? | ||
| All right. | ||
| That's just why. | ||
| I had to find a way to get that one in there again. | ||
| Because you're getting fancy with clips. | ||
| I love, love $100 trillion. | ||
| I can hear him say that over and over and over again. | ||
| Oh, let's hear it one more time. | ||
| $100 trillion? | ||
| He just doesn't understand the concept. | ||
| I mean, this is, I mean, I guess this is fairly similar to some of the Alex-y kind of shit, you know, like calling things witchcraft and, you know, putting that association of, like, giving kids vaccines is just the same as Aztec priests killing children and sacrifices. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, there's more similarity there than I'm comfortable with. | ||
| Oh, this is on Fox News in 2019. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's more to that interview on, or, you know, fake interview on Fox and Friends. | ||
| But it just turns into, you know, Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren say we shouldn't fly, but they fly all the time. | ||
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They say we shouldn't eat meat, but they eat meat all the time. | |
| It's one of those... | ||
| It's one of that same... | ||
| You know, I have a clip of him saying... | ||
| Very similar things in 2011 as well. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like, it goes all the way back and back and back. | ||
| Well, what you fail to take into account is these are good arguments. | ||
| It makes sense you would say them over and over and over again. | ||
| No one has rebut the witchcraft argument. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| Gonna keep doing it until someone steps up. | ||
| I don't think anybody could ever do that. | ||
| No. | ||
| So, later on in the day... | ||
| After being a complete idiot before Greta's speech. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| On Fox and Friends. | ||
| He goes on Varney's show on Fox Business. | ||
| You're not talking about Janet Varney. | ||
| Not Janet Varney. | ||
| Comedian Janet Varney. | ||
| Definitely not Jim Varney either. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| He's dead. | ||
| Well, no, we established he faked his death. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| And this is after Greta's speech. | ||
| And I don't know who this guy is. | ||
| Okay, let me see if I can tell by his voice. | ||
| I've never watched Fox Business before. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
|
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I think that the solutions... | |
| I know this guy just by his voice. | ||
| I've seen clips of this guy. | ||
| I don't think I like him. | ||
|
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Quote, unquote, the solutions to climate change that are being offered, are they still popular in Europe? | |
| Because Europe is really suffering from these so-called solutions. | ||
| They're suffering. | ||
| Seniors are suffering, and the UK winter deaths have increased. | ||
| If this guy wants to know what the Europe people are thinking, why didn't he call Lord Moncton? | ||
| I know, right? | ||
| I'm seeing a real... | ||
| Disinterested Lord Monkton, even on Fox News, which troubles me a little bit. | ||
| I think Monkton's getting kicked to the wayside. | ||
| Yeah, probably. | ||
| Probably because he's not actually a lord. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| They only like lords on Fox News these days. | ||
| That is a part of it. | ||
| And Mark Moreno is the lord of climate denial, as we know. | ||
| Stateside. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| So people are dying? | ||
| People are dying because of cold. | ||
| Right. | ||
| People always talk. | ||
| This reminds me of the last episode where he said basically the same thing. | ||
| Heat deaths, but, you know, why doesn't anybody talk about the winter deaths? | ||
| We've talked about some of that with Alex's stuff, too, and those cases that he would bring up specifically. | ||
| You look into them, but they're like, there's so much more going on here. | ||
| This has to do with financial stuff. | ||
| This doesn't have to do with climate change measures or anything. | ||
| This is all just about poverty. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| And that is borne out by the Office of National Statistics, which is the most British name I can think of for a government agency. | ||
| The ONS? | ||
| Yeah, we've got... | ||
| These are our national statistics. | ||
| That's what we do. | ||
| In America, we call it the Office of... | ||
| Check this out. | ||
| Because we're cool. | ||
| We're poochy. | ||
| That's what I'm trying to say. | ||
| That's going to be a tough acronym. | ||
| That's going to come back. | ||
| But, actually... | ||
| What I found out was that winter deaths have increased. | ||
| I was all geared up to be like, this is completely made up. | ||
| This is all bullshit. | ||
| I don't even need to worry about this. | ||
| But the number of excess winter deaths, that's what they measure. | ||
| What do you mean by excess? | ||
| That's what we're talking about there. | ||
| Comparing the excess number of deaths in winter to the other three-month periods. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So if there's an average number between, what is it, April and July and July and September and October, it's through there. | ||
| There's an average of, let's say, 100. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Then there's 115 in winter, then it's excess deaths. | ||
| Of 15. You got it. | ||
| All right, okay. | ||
| Yeah, so. | ||
| This year. | ||
| Otherwise, that sounded very judgmental. | ||
| Right. | ||
| The ones we don't need. | ||
| Slopping off the winter. | ||
| Otherwise, I don't like the way the ONS is framing this. | ||
| This sounds shitty. | ||
| These deaths are excessive. | ||
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Go ahead. | |
| Get out of here. | ||
| Come on, get out of here with these deaths on us already. | ||
| But yeah, in 2017 to 2018, it was the highest number of excess winter deaths they've recorded since the 70s. | ||
| And that is mainly due to increased influenza and, of course, poverty. | ||
| All the way around. | ||
| Nothing to do with climate change. | ||
| And it's an even further disingenuous argument because, while yes, you can say it's the highest recorded number since the 70s, it is also one half the number since the 50s. | ||
| So it's... | ||
| It's like absolute bullshit. | ||
| The trend overall has dipped down from the 50s over and over and over again. | ||
| And a lot of that probably has to do... | ||
| I know I looked into this a while back, and I'm not sure if it extended to deaths, but complications and illnesses and stuff along those lines, you see a drop in them when measures are passed that make it so... | ||
| Like, the electric company can't turn off your electricity during the winter. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. | ||
| Even if you don't pay your bill, they can't turn it off during times. | ||
| They have to wait until fucking April. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| Measures like that that are protective have cut off a lot of, which I think all societies need. | ||
| That needs to be across the board everywhere. | ||
| It seems like it would be obvious that it needs to be across the board. | ||
| Yeah, those sorts of things are very protective about that. | ||
| And then when you consider, like, resources for people who are experiencing homelessness. | ||
| I remember when there was a blizzard the last time here in Chicago, there was a lot of focus put on, like, if you see someone outside, report them so we can make sure that they don't... | ||
| Stay outside. | ||
| Right. | ||
| A friendly message from your local neighborhood ice office. | ||
| No, that wasn't ice. | ||
| Just kidding. | ||
| I could see how that would be abused now. | ||
| But yeah, those sorts of things will put that number down to as low as it can possibly go. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Even with severely inclement winter temperatures. | ||
| So I feel like those are better solutions to look at than whatever Mark is talking about. | ||
| You got it. | ||
| He is absolutely... | ||
| This is... | ||
| It's amazing how I have never seen him give any statistic straightforward. | ||
| I've never seen it not once. | ||
| Even if it's one that's not even damaging or... | ||
| It's almost unrelated. | ||
| He still lies about it. | ||
| Excess number of witches. | ||
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Witches. | |
| Do you get that from the ONS? | ||
| They die in summer, though. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| There's the excess number of witches' deaths. | ||
| In the rainy season. | ||
|
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| When it's dry out, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, so it is kind of amazing to me, because even this is just a cherry-picked statistic. | ||
| Like, he had to say from the 70s. | ||
| He couldn't possibly be like... | ||
| Well, it's twice as many as from 2014 or whatever. | ||
| He has to, like, create this cherry-picked stat that is misleading. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's just stupid. | ||
| And he didn't have to do that, you know? | ||
| But that's how a lot of people use statistics. | ||
| That's why you have to be, like, really careful with those things. | ||
| You have to, whenever you hear people using statistics, you should be wise to look into context. | ||
| And look at larger trends that they might be ignoring. | ||
| Like, that's something that's just so consistent across. | ||
| All this sort of media. | ||
| I bet some people on the left are guilty of that, too. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| I'm positive. | ||
| I don't spend enough time focusing on those folk, but I'm sure that it's used on both sides of persuasive arguments. | ||
| Oh, for sure. | ||
| People just need to be conscious of that. | ||
| It's such an easy game to play. | ||
| You sound so irrefutable whenever you pull out things like that. | ||
| Those sorts of incomplete stats. | ||
| It's bad. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| This is why I still want to know what the OPS of the Slugger in Major League is. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| It's unknown. | ||
| They gave us stats at the end. | ||
| He had like 38 home runs, a few doubles, but they didn't give me what his on-base percentage was. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that's what I was really looking for. | ||
| And you know what pisses me off is that no sabermetrics type of organization, no fantasy football league you're going to play ever tells you what a team's pummel rating is, which is punts divided by fumbles. | ||
| It's a very crucial statistic to understand it. | ||
| I like it. | ||
| Sure. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It tells the whole story. | ||
| Punts divided by fumbles. | ||
| Mark, get on it. | ||
| Are you talking to Zuckerberg? | ||
| Moreno. | ||
| Oh, Moreno. | ||
| Okay, I gotcha. | ||
| I didn't know he had control over that, too. | ||
| Well, you should make himself useful. | ||
| Just like Greta shouldn't be going out of school. | ||
| She should be getting off social media. | ||
| You shouldn't be doing this bullshit. | ||
| You should be getting on fumbles. | ||
| I like it. | ||
| I like it. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| But do you know what? | ||
| The biggest problem that people have, the biggest misconception that people have is, of course... | ||
| That they can't believe it's not butter? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That's usually the start. | ||
| I'm trying. | ||
|
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I know. | |
| You're doing great. | ||
| Thanks. | ||
| You're doing great. | ||
| You're interrupting like I do. | ||
| You're doing wonderful. | ||
| I wasn't proud of that last joke. | ||
| Well, hey, welcome to the fucking club, man. | ||
| I guess you just deal with that silently. | ||
| I'm just trying. | ||
| You've called me out on it a few times, and it's been lovely. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| Yeah, I was going to let that one slide. | ||
| But what are you going to do? | ||
| What are you gonna do, Dan? | ||
| Misconceptions. | ||
| There are an excess number of jokes that die on this show every attempt. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, do you know what people are not paying attention to? | ||
| What's that? | ||
| How great we are and how we don't need to do anything else. | ||
| We're doing better in the United States than these European signers who are going to be at the U.N. Summit in New York shaming President Trump. | ||
| We're doing better. | ||
| We're leading the world in CO2 emission reduction. | ||
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Exactly. | |
| Nobody ever points that out. | ||
| Nobody ever points that out, Dan. | ||
| I feel like I've heard that pointed out. | ||
| It's been pointed out a lot. | ||
| It has been pointed out a lot. | ||
| Specifically by Scott Pruitt. | ||
| Noted. | ||
| Definitely not corrupt monster Scott Pruitt. | ||
| In 2017, he said, quote, We are leading the nation, excuse me, the world with respect to our CO2 footprints in reductions. | ||
| This is another bullshit cherry-picked stat. | ||
| Because what he did and what they are doing is they are judging us differently from other countries. | ||
| They are talking about the way that... | ||
| China and India both emit more carbon than we do overall, right? | ||
| Because they are fucking huge. | ||
| Then... | ||
| Wait, is that a conspiracy? | ||
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No. | |
| They're actually small? | ||
| I was being glib. | ||
| The Mercator protection is actually right? | ||
| India only has three people living in it. | ||
| And they were the ones who got the Fed passed. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So, yes, they are absolutely huge carbon emitters. | ||
| But when you go by per capita... | ||
| You find out that the U.S. produces 16.5 metric tons per capita compared to China's 7.5 and India's 1.7. | ||
| So it is kind of an accurate fact that America has reduced emissions more. | ||
| But in terms of what we're doing, it is absolutely nothing. | ||
| In terms of reducing emissions, the 16.5 metric tons was in 2014. | ||
| And it had gone down by a little average of, like, one and a half to two percent per year around that. | ||
| But also, doesn't it not matter? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Like, I mean, doesn't that argument even as a whole, I understand the point, like, the facts you're trying to bring up. | ||
|
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Right. | |
| That's all good and well and very worthwhile, but, like... | ||
| Just saying that other people aren't doing good doesn't mean anything. | ||
|
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Exactly. | |
| Yes. | ||
| I mean, it's just a faulty construction of, like, a deflection. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, ah, you say we bad. | ||
| No, bad, bad over there. | ||
| You bad. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, that doesn't help anything. | ||
| He's disingenuously trying to attack every possible counterargument in advance. | ||
| Well, but also, doesn't his sort of argument here actually strengthen the counterargument? | ||
| That other people are doing worse? | ||
| Yes, that means we need to be even more serious about this. | ||
| Yeah, it does. | ||
| You would think that. | ||
| It kind of falls apart upon any kind of inspection when you're not talking to Ol' Varney over here. | ||
| An idiot, yeah. | ||
| And the deuce. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Also, he is wrong as of this year. | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
| In 2018, almost directly due to Trump's bullshit, the EPA's complete abdication of any moral responsibility. | ||
| And so forth. | ||
| Emissions, rather than dropping, rose by the largest amount since 96. Hell yeah. | ||
| Or the second largest amount since 96. They rose by 3.4%. | ||
| Effectively wiping out most of the gains that we had made. | ||
| So we are not leading the world in emissions decreasing anymore. | ||
| On the day that he said it, it is not happening. | ||
| Ironic, in some ways. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Timing-based irony. | ||
| Right? | ||
| If he had gone on the show last year, he would have been fine. | ||
| He would have been technically correct. | ||
| Now, here's a weird one. | ||
| I like this one quite a bit. | ||
| This is very funny to me. | ||
| Someone proposes a UN climate treaty or this solution to global warming. | ||
| It's almost always central planning, massive government regulation. | ||
| Europeans aren't opposed to that. | ||
| So they don't even bother to challenge the science or look at the reason why it's being forced on them. | ||
| In the United States, we say, wait a minute, what? | ||
| Trying to track that. | ||
| I couldn't look it up. | ||
| It needs a citation. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Try and go. | ||
| In America, we're like, wait, what? | ||
| Europeans are more into central planning and regulation. | ||
| Therefore, they don't question science. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I don't see the relation. | ||
| No, it doesn't seem like they're related. | ||
| No. | ||
| I think you might have a problem with that construction. | ||
| Seems like the conclusion doesn't follow. | ||
| I would guess that if he's trying to say that, then you could use that argument for, like, everything. | ||
| You don't even have to, like, because, you know, take science out of the conclusion and just be like, Europeans are more into central planning and regulation, therefore they make more balloons. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You got it. | ||
| Yeah, that's an omni-purpose... | ||
| It's constructed, to me, the same way that 90s... | ||
| Deaf Comedy Jam is. | ||
| You know that, like, Europeans be like this, but the United States were like this. | ||
| Also, has he not heard of Lord Moncton? | ||
| Leading climate denial guy, Lord Moncton. | ||
| Lord Moncton fucking parachuted into a UN thing just to cause a big publicity stunt. | ||
| Well, he did that once before when he was D.B. Cooper. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| That was him. | ||
| Or Rudolph Hess. | ||
| All the famous parachuters. | ||
| But he doesn't have any military service under his belt, so he's not a paratrooper, unfortunately. | ||
| But Dan, let me ask you a question. | ||
| Right. | ||
| How is it that we lead the world in reducing CO2 emissions? | ||
| Fictitiously. | ||
| I heard Mark say it. | ||
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So... | |
| Oh, he's got a specific. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I'm excited to learn. | ||
| It's through technology and innovation and chiefly through fracking. | ||
| That's how we lead? | ||
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Yep. | |
| Chiefly through fracking. | ||
| Seems counterintuitive. | ||
| Doesn't it? | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| I'm interested to see how he threads this needle. | ||
| He doesn't. | ||
| He said that? | ||
| And then never mentions it again. | ||
| Goes unchallenged? | ||
| Never mentions it again. | ||
| Varney is like, yeah, of course. | ||
| Technology is great. | ||
| And fracking. | ||
| Technology, sure. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| Possibly that's a good argument. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| When your next thing is fracking as being like leading. | ||
| That's where we get into trouble, right? | ||
| That seems like you need, again. | ||
| Need a citation on that. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| As far as citations go, though, I have a paper. | ||
| I am a leader in the world of medicine because I have drawn the most blood from people. | ||
| Yeah, that makes sense. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I like it. | ||
| In a paper by Robert Howarth from Cornell University, he does not believe that fracking improves our environment. | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
| He says... | ||
| The commercialization of shale gas and oil in the 21st century has dramatically increased global methane emissions. | ||
| This is fracking. | ||
| He continues on. | ||
| Shale gas production in North America over the past decade may have contributed more than half of all the increased methane emissions from fossil fuels globally and approximately one-third of the total increased emissions from all sources globally over the past decade. | ||
| Yeah, that's pretty universally what I've heard and seen from anything I've looked into. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I've not heard anybody say that fracking's great. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| No one. | ||
| Absolutely no one. | ||
| Except for Mark Moreno, Dan. | ||
| I guess there are certain people who are on payrolls and shit. | ||
| People who have a vested interest. | ||
| Like Mark Moreno, Dan! | ||
| Oh boy. | ||
| I've covered previously, Climate Depot, all of that shit. | ||
| But that is absolutely and utterly disqualifying. | ||
| Right. | ||
| To pretend, to even, like, even if he mistakenly said it. | ||
| We are leading the world in protecting the climate, and I know that because of all the trash we burn. | ||
| You got it. | ||
| We have tire fires, alright? | ||
| That is how we are protecting the ozone layer. | ||
| And the EU wouldn't even challenge a tire fire. | ||
| We're all here. | ||
| We're all like, wait, what? | ||
| The EU is into central planning and regulations. | ||
| Therefore, they just go along with not burning tires. | ||
| And a tire doesn't even have a center. | ||
| So there we go. | ||
| Case closed. | ||
| They don't use them there. | ||
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Uh-huh. | |
| No. | ||
| Yeah, that does seem troubling to me. | ||
| No, fracking does not help. | ||
| And not even not help. | ||
| It is utterly... | ||
| Utterly destructive. | ||
| And that's just the emissions part. | ||
| Talk about pollution, the fucking destruction of the earth, like, you name it, fracking is one of the single worst things that human beings have ever even fucking invented. | ||
| And same is true of, like, the coal sand stuff, too. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Anybody who presents that as being, like, a good alternative kind of thing is like, well, no, no, no, hold on. | ||
| All information is shown that that's worse. | ||
| Yep, yep. | ||
| The processing of it to make it usable is heavily polluting. | ||
| And even if there was some sort of net offset. | ||
| Even then, if it was just this tiniest little bit of, yeah, it destroys the Earth, but it's 1% better when you factor in all that shit. | ||
| It's like, no, it is absolutely not worth it. | ||
| And there's nothing that anybody has ever shown to be an improvement. | ||
| But that's an interesting thing, is that, like, if it were, people would be for it, probably. | ||
| Like, if these alternatives, like, anybody who's into climate change, activism, or whatever, if one of these solutions actually did, like, let's say, cut down 15% or something of emissions, and it profited oil companies, they would still be for it. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| They would not be paying Mark Moreno a shit ton of money to lie about it on TV. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They wouldn't need to. | ||
| But again, Dan, one of our biggest issues is the children. | ||
| Right. | ||
| This is, I mean, yes, obviously they are, you know, mercilessly mocking and being mean to a 16-year-old woman. | ||
| Spork! | ||
| But what it really is about is how much they care about protecting the children. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| It is always about the children. | ||
| God bless the child. | ||
| Difference. | ||
| These kids are testifying before Congress saying they have no future unless we can essentially kill the market economy in the United States and impose a central plan on us. | ||
| That's what they're testifying. | ||
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Yeah, that really got to me. | |
| The children. | ||
| They are very young kids who are making these grandiose statements. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Words put into their mouths by, you know, adults. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| To have a 67% chance of staying below a 1.5 degrees of global temperature rise, the best odds given by the IPCC, the world had 420 gigatons of CO2 left to emit back on January 1, 2018. | ||
| Today, that figure is already down to less than 350 gigatons. | ||
| There will not be any solutions or plans presented in line with these figures here today, because these numbers are too uncomfortable, and you are still not mature enough to tell it like it is. | ||
| Well, I can see how an adult wouldn't like to hear that. | ||
|
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| Uh-huh. | ||
| I put those two juxtaposed for, I think, a very obvious reason, right? | ||
| I think so, yeah. | ||
| But that really got to Varney. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, it got to him. | ||
| Yeah, he doesn't like it. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| He doesn't like the idea that these children are basically pointing out that you're a bunch of fucking children. | ||
| Sure, and I think it would be probably a good time to point out that it's not just Greta. | ||
| No, absolutely not. | ||
| There are a lot of other youth activists that maybe aren't getting as much attention as her that also deserve a good bit of a shout-out. | ||
| A tip of the cap. | ||
| No, absolutely. | ||
| Every one of these climate marches and every one of them across the world wasn't organized personally by Greta. | ||
| No. | ||
| Every single one of those. | ||
| She's the one who all this attention and vitriol and praise is being directed at, whereas there are many more people... | ||
| Who are coming out and being very active in this. | ||
| And not just climate change, you know, across the board in terms of social causes. | ||
| There are a lot more people who are of that generation that probably deserve a higher profile. | ||
| And shout out to them. | ||
| I didn't prepare for this episode and I can't remember anybody off the top of my head. | ||
| Because everybody's talking about Greta. | ||
| Well, let me read you from the very mental health manual that I gave you some tips from earlier. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And I think that will be a little illuminating as to why it is that they're talking the way that they are and how they're... | ||
| You mean the children or Varney? | ||
| No, no, Varney and Moreno. | ||
| So, quote, in some cases, information that increases perceptions of the reality of climate change may feel so frightening that it leads to denial. | ||
| This is a study by McDonald et al. | ||
| in 2015. | ||
| In addition, communicating scientific information is not easy. | ||
| This complexity itself may be a problem. | ||
| One study showed that people who received more complex information on environmental problems felt more helpless and more inclined to leave the problem to the government and those who felt ignorant about the topic were more likely to want to avoid hearing about more negative information. | ||
| Okay. | ||
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Now, that is exactly why they are talking the way that they are about all of this shit. | |
| They are making sure That people are... | ||
| Ignorant? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Because the more... | ||
| And also, they're trying to push denial, because the more helpless and more inclined... | ||
| The more helpless you feel, the more real... | ||
| How real you feel about climate change... | ||
| The more likely you are to be in favor of regulation and government involvement. | ||
| And government. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And they're stated, life's goal is no government. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Business. | ||
| And then, of course, they keep their audience ignorant about the topic, so they don't want to hear any more negative information about it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That makes sense. | ||
| They want to hear, America is leading the world in CO2 reduction, and America is doing all this good shit. | ||
| Here's my warm carbon blanket. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And they know it, and Mark Moreno knows it, and everybody who books him on these shows. | ||
| That's what he is going to do for you. | ||
| He is a fucking slimy hack asshole. | ||
| I hate him so much. | ||
| Let's hope that this episode gets him to tweet at you. | ||
| Tweet at me? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I was just thinking, like, I almost hate him as much as Friedersdorf! | ||
| Yeah, you gotta mix it up with this guy. | ||
| I just... | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| But still further. | ||
| This... | ||
| Like... | ||
| How many times has he been brazen in his complete assholery? | ||
| On this episode? | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| A few? | ||
| A few? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Very obvious. | ||
| Very miserable in his fucking non-stop pitter-patter of... | ||
| And I cut the clips short so they're not as long as the ones that you normally cut. | ||
| Mainly because he speaks in these 40-second chunks. | ||
| I mean, it's a structural difference. | ||
| Like, this is an interview, or he's on a conversation on Fox& Friends, whereas Alex is, like, doing long-form rambling. | ||
| It's definitely, like, just a function of the source material. | ||
| These are obviously going to be shorter blurbs. | ||
| I mean, I could have put the whole 30-second... | ||
| But he's just such a... | ||
| Unlike Alex where it's like he's got those rolling crescendos and then he gives you a break and then rolling crescendo and does this whole musical thing. | ||
| Moreno is just rapid fire, monotone, just like, before you even have a thought, I'm on to the next thought. | ||
| I think probably part of that is he wants you to think he sounds super credible through the quick... | ||
| It's like a Ben Shapiro-ish strategy. | ||
| Fast, which makes it sound like I know all these things. | ||
| And monotone, sort of flat delivery, making you think that I'm unemotionally delivering this information to you. | ||
| It's just a different presentation style. | ||
| Not nearly as fun as a lunatic. | ||
| No, it is not. | ||
| It is not. | ||
| It's a lot dumber. | ||
| But this one is this one's brutal. | ||
| It's sad. | ||
| They had a die in for the kids. | ||
| Greta Thunberg, the Swedish girl, went to the White House. | ||
| I was at the event where she spoke. | ||
| They had kids lying down at the White House gates for 11 minutes to symbolize 11 years until the planet's dead unless government safety. | ||
| This is the guy who, six hours earlier in the day, said she needs to do something fucking challenging. | ||
| I don't know if a die-in is challenging. | ||
| You just lay there. | ||
| Fine, fine. | ||
| And this is coming from someone who accompanied his parents to a die-in to protest the Iraq War when I was a younger guy. | ||
| Fair. | ||
| But any kind of argument that that's going to traumatize and scare these kids, I'm here to say the opposite. | ||
| I did that when I was younger vis-a-vis the Iraq War. | ||
| Maybe I was like 19 or 20 at the time, though. | ||
| So it's a little bit older, but not that much older. | ||
| And I didn't have any kind of... | ||
| Feeling of it of, like, this is, you know, this is so terror-inducing in my own life that I can't function. | ||
| It was, like, this is an expression of how severe this reality is that we're against. | ||
| So I don't know. | ||
| I don't find this to be compelling. | ||
| No. | ||
| This is an old man assuming that children don't have cognitive abilities. | ||
| You got it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Saying the same shit. | ||
| And not children. | ||
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Youths. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Or whatever. | ||
| You know, like... | ||
| Because it's different if Greta was five. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Well, we've already had a five-year-old in this show saying correct things, so there you go. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I will say this. | ||
| We do not, and neither does anybody else, and if anybody has Mark Moreno anywhere near them, it is completely invalidating. | ||
| And this one, this is from something that Greta said, which I find incredibly hopeful. | ||
| And we'll see how it goes on the other side. | ||
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You say you hear us and that you understand the urgency. | |
| But no matter how sad and angry I am, I do not want to believe that. | ||
| Because if you really understood the situation and still kept on failing to act, then you would be evil, and that I refuse to believe. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| She refuses to believe that they are evil, but I will tell you something. | ||
| Mark Moreno is fucking evil. | ||
| She wasn't talking to Mark Moreno, though, to be fair. | ||
| I know, but I'm making it very clear that this is the one thing I disagree with her on. | ||
| But again, she's not talking about or to him. | ||
| I know, and I'm still talking in this regard as well at the UN. | ||
| I am also disagreeing with her there. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| I guess that's interesting. | ||
| I'm not 100% sure where I land on that, but I respect your opinion. | ||
| I'm on the fence a little bit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| In terms of calling those people, all the world leaders, evil. | ||
| I'm not on the fence in terms of your assessment of Moreno. | ||
| Well, of course not. | ||
| Or Lord Moncton or whatever. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I feel like there's so many other factors to consider for a lot of world leaders that I don't know where their heads are. | ||
| Well, I will tell you that their heads are not in the most recent IPCC report. | ||
| I went through that and read it because it's like a big deal, and it's very long, and most people didn't actually read it. | ||
| All of the articles and stuff I read about it from wherever, The Guardian or anything along those lines, they were all kind of in this middle ground. | ||
| And this is something that I find to be very, very frustrating. | ||
| You know that I have said to you many times in the past where I suspect that scientists have always been, climate scientists especially, have always been downplaying the actual severity of the situation. | ||
| For everyone listening, you said it to me so many times. | ||
| So many times. | ||
| So many times. | ||
| Off air, socially. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Incessantly, some might say. | ||
| Yeah, it's a lot. | ||
| I thought that was a suspicion. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I thought that that was something that I thought. | ||
| However, from a study by Bice et al. | ||
| from 2013, quote, Over the past two decades, skeptics of the reality and significance of anthropogenic climate change have frequently accused climate scientists of alarmism, of overinterpreting or overreacting to evidence that human impacts exist. | ||
| However... | ||
| The available evidence suggests that scientists have in fact been conservative in their projections of the impacts of climate change. | ||
| We suggest therefore that scientists are biased not towards alarmism, but rather the reverse, toward cautious estimates. | ||
| There is even a term they have for it. | ||
| They call it erring on the side of least drama. | ||
| Right, but I still don't think this proves your conjecture. | ||
| That they're intentionally underplaying things. | ||
| Oh, no, no, no. | ||
| I mean, downplaying. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| They're not manipulating the data in any stretch. | ||
| But I honestly don't think that that still proves the stuff that you always tell me. | ||
| Like what? | ||
| That they're, like, low-balling. | ||
| Like, conservative estimates are... | ||
| I'm not saying that they're low-balling. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| But the... | ||
| Underplaying the severity. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I don't think that... | ||
| I still don't think that that matches with... | ||
| Your suspicions. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Well, let's... | ||
| Conservative estimates versus extreme estimates. | ||
| I mean, I understand... | ||
| Okay. | ||
| What I'm more talking about is the way that they present it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Not the data or anything like that. | ||
| Because here is some of the data in the IPCC, this report. | ||
| And this is all based on data that goes up to 2015. | ||
| It does not include 2016 to present day, because we can't, you know, obviously you can't put together all that shit. | ||
| In the report, our best case scenario from the Paris Agreement is to keep warming to 1.5 degrees Celsius. | ||
| In the report, it says, no matter what, even if we reach 1.5 degrees Celsius as our ceiling, Warm water coral is gone. | ||
| It's just gone. | ||
| There's nothing we can do unless we go well below 1.5 degrees. | ||
| That is not something that was in any of the reports that I read. | ||
| Any of the articles I read, none of them said, no matter what, we're losing coral. | ||
| Eh, to be fair, when's the last time you engaged with coral? | ||
| Fair enough! | ||
| You ever go to a reef? | ||
| Ah, no, I've never gone to a reef. | ||
| You're right. | ||
| Actually, I have. | ||
| Have you? | ||
| Yeah, I mean, I lived in Hawaii. | ||
| Pretty amazing, yeah, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Beautiful. | ||
| Big ecosystems. | ||
| Yeah, exactly, right? | ||
| All of this stuff. | ||
| Now, what it doesn't include is, like I said, the past three or four years. | ||
| And one of the issues with that is they have a couple of different projections going on in the reports. | ||
| They have the ones where we reduce and stay below 1.5 degrees. | ||
| Very, very unlikely. | ||
| They have the ones where we don't do anything, and they just measure what it would be like if we stayed at the same rate. | ||
| What they don't have is what it would be like if we continued fucking up more. | ||
| They couldn't imagine a scenario where it was like, not only did we not just stay the same, We doubled down. | ||
| But we increased our carbon emissions. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like Alex advocates. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| That is what is currently going on. | ||
| This idea, that idea of like 11 years, we have 11 years from now to adjust our actions and all of that stuff in certain ways. | ||
| That is not accurate anymore. | ||
| We don't have 11 years. | ||
| Because it's from the data that ends in 2015? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So whatever we'd be talking about, we should have been talking about in 2015. | ||
| You got it. | ||
| Whereas there's been four years since then that changes. | ||
| Not just that, but that number is not, as I've said so many times, it is a geometric progression. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Two years of active damage doesn't take us from 11 years left to 9 years left. | ||
| I can't tell you, you know, and even then the projections aren't like, this is exactly accurate. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's like the 538 election projections, you know, where it's like we give Democrats a 75% chance to take back the House and Republicans a 25% chance to keep it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That kind of thing. | ||
| The same thing is true with these climate reports. | ||
| They can say we have a... | ||
| What they're telling us is there's a 60% chance that we have 11 years to do all of this shit. | ||
| They don't say there's a 40% chance that we're already past... | ||
| It's not 40%, but there is a significant chance that we're already past the mark and that there's nothing that can be done to keep us at 1.5 and below 2. So it's really kind of a... | ||
| A frustrating thing. | ||
| This is a fucking seriously dangerous and scary report. | ||
| And it is amazing to me that it went by in like one day. | ||
| There was this news cycle of this report that was like one day. | ||
| It is amazing to me. | ||
| One of the things that I love in the report about governments and how they're going to act on climate change. | ||
| So, there is no single climate governance panacea for the ocean, coasts, and cryosphere. | ||
| Empirical evidence on which governments arrangements work well in which context is still limited, but good governance, scare quotes, norms indicate the importance of inclusivity, fairness, deliberation, reflexivity, responsiveness, social learning, the co-production of knowledge, and respect for ethnic and cultural diversity. | ||
| And the reason I like that in there is because that means they have some eco-fascists that they were talking to who are like, what if instead we had one guy do everything? | ||
| And they were like, no, no, no, we got to make sure that the report doesn't... | ||
| Because there are some people who would read that IPCC report and go like, democracy has failed us! | ||
| That kind of thing. | ||
| So they specifically went out of their way to be like... | ||
| We don't want anybody to fucking... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I know you might think it's a good idea and you're like... | ||
| Yeah, because these sorts of things could be very dangerously used under the wrong hands. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| And here's another great piece of news. | ||
| Today... | ||
| Just today, Dan, September or October 3rd, I don't even know what day it is. | ||
| You got it. | ||
| A report was released from The Guardian. | ||
| Trump's attacks on science are at a crisis point, basically. | ||
| He denies climate science. | ||
| He's banned the EPA from presenting research on climate scientists. | ||
| He's barred the National Park Service from putting climate change in any of their proposals. | ||
| And he's actively published a misleading environmental review. | ||
| To allow a mine in Alaska. | ||
| They have punished anybody who speaks out or points out how much bullshit science that they're trying to push. | ||
| But the thing that's weird to me, or not weird, but it's the Department of Agriculture actually moved economists across the country when they published analysis of how fucked farmers were under Trump's proposals. | ||
| The Interior Department reassigned a climate scientist to an accounting role after he just pointed out that climate change will be bad. | ||
| And just for the win, they suppressed a report showing that toxic substances in several states' water supplies will absolutely fuck you up at far lower levels than what are currently allowed. | ||
| That's the abstract of it? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| A little bit is a fuck you up. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Basically. | ||
| And this kind of shit has been done by all of the, by, you know, everybody since GW, or HW. | ||
| All of this shit is absolutely devastating. | ||
| And guys like Mark Moreno fucking make everything so much worse. | ||
| They facilitate all of this, and you never, ever need to listen to this hack. | ||
| Fucking go away. | ||
| That's really your thesis here. | ||
| That's my thesis. | ||
| You do not need to listen to this guy. | ||
| Ever. | ||
| Ever again. | ||
| If we're going to do a reverse knowledge fight, we talk about the same guy over and over and over again. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So if I'm going to do it, I'm going to talk about a guy we never speak of again. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And I think Mark can explain why. | ||
| I don't understand how people could fall for such base, cheap rhetoric and nonsense. | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Yeah, you hear that exact phenomenon from all these people so often. | ||
| It's like them expressing exactly like, who would believe this bullshit? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
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That was also from 2014, by the way. | |
| Well, it's a bummer. | ||
| What are your thoughts on that? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I mean, Mark Marino sucks. | ||
| I don't know what other thoughts to have. | ||
| I don't know this subject matter nearly as well as you do. | ||
| You know, you're very... | ||
| This is something you're singularly focused on in the same way that I am, like, I don't know, anti-communist propaganda. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So it's always... | ||
| It's a little overwhelming, you know, to have a lot of... | ||
| Yeah, you're fucking telling me! | ||
|
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I know. | |
| It's... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's tough to sit on this side of the table. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I'm not geared to respond to things, I guess. | ||
| It's a challenge. | ||
| I think you did a good job. | ||
| Thanks. | ||
| You as well. | ||
| It's interesting. | ||
| I went into this thinking Mark Moreno sucked, and now I come out thinking similar things. | ||
| And now I know that you really admire Greta. | ||
| I really admire Greta. | ||
| I think she is a fucking hero. | ||
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Cool! | |
| Absolutely. | ||
| Dan, I know this was a little bit of a depressing ending. | ||
| It's a little bit. | ||
| It's a little bit of a bummer. | ||
| And I don't want to leave people with a sense of gloom. | ||
| Which, I mean, I think you might have. | ||
| Yes, I did. | ||
| No, it's not that it's gloom. | ||
| I mean, there's a little bit of gloom to it. | ||
| Because in the way that people like Mark Moreno attack... | ||
| Greta, you know, they're going to create anxiety and fear in people. | ||
| The reason that that doesn't ring true to me is because there are so many solutions. | ||
| I worry that the way you frame this does lead to anxiety and fear. | ||
| Because of the contentions that the climate scientists and the IPCC report... | ||
| They're underplaying the reality of this. | ||
| They're underplaying the severity of this. | ||
| It does lead to a possibility that the conclusion is there is nothing that can be done. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| And then we reach nihilism. | ||
| I respect that. | ||
| We reach sort of a fatalistic, we're fucked no matter what we do kind of state. | ||
| And I know that that's not your message, and I know that that's not what you believe, that we shouldn't do anything because we're already fucked. | ||
| But it would be easy to come away from... | ||
| If we're not super clear, it would be easy to get that impression. | ||
| I never want to give that message. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because even if that's true, I don't... | ||
| It's not. | ||
| But even if that perception were true, it's an irresponsible thing to preach to people. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Well, here is why I did that. | ||
| And it's mainly because of the mental health summary that was there, which stated that the more people know about it... | ||
| The more they understand what it is, the more likely they are to accept that government does need to make the action. | ||
| I understand that. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| Look at all these climate protests and all this shit. | ||
| We don't just need to protest. | ||
| We need to get these people fucking gone. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Get them out of office and get new people in who are responsive and understand the situation. | ||
| I think that there's something to be said for enlightening people about realities and You know, pollution and its effects and the anthropomorphic... | ||
| Wrong word. | ||
| Anthropogenic. | ||
| That's right. | ||
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Hello, I'm climate change! | |
| I'm coming for your children! | ||
| Yeah, the human-caused aspects of this and the things that you can do and the things that we should do. | ||
| I think that that awareness and people being more read up on those aspects lead people to what that mental health report is talking about. | ||
| That is, realizing that the government needs to do more. | ||
| Speculating that there's nothing that we can do and that everything is way underselling it. | ||
| I don't think that that is what leads people to recognizing that the government needs to do more and regulation is probably necessary. | ||
| That could probably lead to people having a crippling inability to act. | ||
| And I'm not saying that you're doing that. | ||
| I'm just saying that part of that, while I do agree that it is important to stress to folks that this is not business as usual, there is a crisis going on, I think viewing it in a no matter what happens, we're fucked sense, I think it's detrimental and it doesn't lead to the effects that that mental health report would. | ||
| And again, I'm not saying that that's what you're doing. | ||
| I just want to fight back against any kind of gloom that folk might have and that I might even be feeling a tiny bit towards the end of this episode. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Well, I suppose the main thing that I want is for people to realize that this is not a fucking... | ||
| This is not a future thing. | ||
| This is serious... | ||
| Right now. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And that's why I get so angry when I read an article in whatever, where it's like, the IPCC shows very bad reports for the climate. | ||
| And it's like, no, this is now. | ||
| This is, we gotta fucking do this shit. | ||
| We gotta do something. | ||
|
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Right. | |
| And one of the biggest things is, we've been doing this whole like, well, we need to get people to direct action and, you know. | ||
| If we don't do this by 12 years from now, it's gonna be really troublesome. | ||
| If we don't do this, you know, and then 10 years ago, where the effects of this are gonna be in 2050, that's pretty soon. | ||
| That's gonna be in your lifetime. | ||
| I mean, I can't help but think, we need to be fucking... | ||
| Chicken littling. | ||
| We need to be screaming to people. | ||
| The sky is falling and you gotta do shit. | ||
| I get you. | ||
| And I think there's a balancing act to it, which is one of the most difficult things about it. | ||
| Because there is the immediacy. | ||
| Especially when you consider the experience of the people in India whose crops are being destroyed. | ||
| Or the people in places that are experiencing drought. | ||
| Or the people of the sea ice. | ||
| It is an immediate thing for a lot of people, and we are in a slightly privileged position that we can look at it abstractly. | ||
| And so cutting through that to make it an immediate issue is important. | ||
| At the same time, finding a way to do that without the fatalistic doom part, I think is... | ||
| The part that's essential. | ||
| And I think that that's what is so threatening about people like Greta and these other younger climate activists is I think that they're effectively able to do that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They're effectively able to walk that balance of this is severely important right now and this is what we need to do right now. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Without falling into traps of hopelessness and gloom. | ||
| I suppose I mean... | ||
| Yeah, I have always reacted to... | ||
| Chicken littling is not necessary to make something immediate. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| I mean, I suppose my issue also was the people who were clapping when Greta spoke. | ||
| You know, that always, that gets to me, man. | ||
| Sure, I mean... | ||
| Because what are you clapping for? | ||
| They might not understand what she's saying, or they might think that they're cool. | ||
| You know, like, there's a hundred reasons. | ||
| And it wasn't like the whole audience clapped. | ||
| No, I know. | ||
| You could tell it was like, It was very specific. | ||
| It was a sporadic applause. | ||
| Or maybe a lot of that applause was people who were with her in her group. | ||
| You don't know who was clapping. | ||
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You can read into it a lot of different things. | |
| Worst case scenario, it's delusional people who don't understand what she's saying. | ||
| Best case scenario, it's her cheering section who was along for the speech. | ||
| There's a lot of... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| There's a lot of assumptions that could be made. | ||
| You're absolutely right on that. | ||
|
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I just, it's just so... | |
| And you're absolutely right that she can thread the needle in a way that, again, there's a reason she's absolutely a hero of mine. | ||
| Right, and that's what makes her so threatening. | ||
| Right, because if it was me... | ||
| Yeah, you wouldn't be an effective messenger for this. | ||
| Probably not. | ||
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No. | |
| Probably not. | ||
| Well, I mean, on a grander stage. | ||
| I would have gotten to tell them and Connor Friedersdorf. | ||
| That they're big dum-dums, though. | ||
| And that would have been very satisfying. | ||
| That is true. | ||
| Emotionally speaking, there's a lot to be said to them. | ||
| There's no doom and gloom when you get to tell the United Nations that they are... | ||
| Threatening to cut the UN's dick off or something. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| That would be fun. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So, I mean, I guess I think that, you know, you just have to... | ||
| You have to treat it like you're saying, an immediate... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Right now kind of situation. | ||
| You also have to look at actionable items. | ||
| You have to look at productive solutions as opposed to succumbing to ideas that there's nothing you can do and are fucked. | ||
| I agree with you. | ||
| It's such a balance and it's very difficult and it's one of the things that I'm not actually very good at. | ||
| I can see that that is important. | ||
| That balance and if you want a path forward, that's a balance you have to have. | ||
| But I do not know what the answer is. | ||
| Well, one thing I suggest to everybody, just to spite Mark Moreno, is never use single-use utensils. | ||
| Ever. | ||
| What about my turkey bacon? | ||
| Honestly, take a fork with you. | ||
| I'm not joking. | ||
| That would go a long way. | ||
| That would go a long fucking way. | ||
| Because single-use utensils are one of the hugest... | ||
| And largest contributing factors to all of the plastic pollution that's going on. | ||
| And all you have to do right now is never use that fucking... | ||
| You're trying to put those good Americans at the spork factory out of a job? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Or bring the sporks in! | ||
| Just to spite that piece of shit Mark Moreno. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| That's what I would recommend. | ||
| And that's an okay emotion. | ||
| Spite is okay. | ||
| Spite is okay? | ||
| I get spite? | ||
| Doom and fatalist, there's nothing you can do. | ||
| That's negative. | ||
| Spite. | ||
| Again, Smart Moreno, at least. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Perfectly healthy. | ||
| Bring your own utensil. | ||
| I mean it. | ||
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So... | |
| I think we have a website, Dan. | ||
| We do. | ||
| It's knowledgefight.com. | ||
| And we're on Twitter? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Knowledge underscore fight and at GoToBedJordan. | ||
| Also, we are on Facebook. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| You can also find us on iTunes and various other places where you can blah, blah, blah. | ||
| I suppose that makes me... | ||
| What am I? | ||
| I'm not DZXR. | ||
| Oh, I'll tell you who I am. | ||
| I am fucking Mako Shark Rampant. | ||
| That's who I am. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
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I'm a huge fan. | |
| I love your work. |