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Aug. 23, 2019 - Knowledge Fight
02:19:38
#334: August 21-22, 2019

Today, Dan and Jordan keep their eye on the present day of The Alex Jones Show. In this installment, the gents hope to find out how Alex has responded to Trump's flirtations with messianic narcissism, and in the process get to watch some "conservatives are being censored" narratives fall completely flat.

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Main voices
a
alex jones
17:18
d
dan friesen
01:22:22
j
jordan holmes
29:40
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z
zach vorhies
03:31
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electric eye in connecticut
00:17
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Speaker Time Text
alex jones
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys.
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
And enjoy.
Knowledge fight.
Need money.
Andy in Kansas.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
Stop it.
Andy in Kansas.
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first time calling.
I'm a huge fan.
jordan holmes
I love your world.
unidentified
Knowledge fight.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.com.
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Indeed we are, Dan.
dan friesen
Also, longer theme song back on special request of my mom.
jordan holmes
Wait, what?
dan friesen
My mom voiced her opinion that she missed the longer theme song, but I used the shortened version on the last episode.
jordan holmes
Hold on, now she's listening to the show?
dan friesen
She has told me.
I'm not sure if she listens to full episodes.
jordan holmes
She just listens to the...
She just loves that track.
dan friesen
She listens to the beginnings of some when she's doing some gardening or housework or whatever.
I don't think she has the patience to listen to two and a half hours of me.
jordan holmes
No, of course not.
dan friesen
But I appreciate it all the same.
Shout out, Mom!
jordan holmes
Oh, well.
dan friesen
So do you have a question?
jordan holmes
I don't know.
I don't know if I can recover from it.
Dan?
dan friesen
It's a big revelation.
jordan holmes
Dan!
dan friesen
Oh, also, some listeners have suggested that a possibility is that...
jordan holmes
User-submitted questions?
dan friesen
And if they want to, they should probably tweet those at you, at GoToBedJordan.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
And then you could stealthily throw them in, and I would never know the difference.
jordan holmes
Absolutely do that.
dan friesen
So that's another thing.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
He does not check or pay attention to me on Twitter, so we can have a whole nice...
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Dan, I have a question for you.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Alright?
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
Have you ever met a doppelganger of yourself?
unidentified
Ooh.
dan friesen
I mean, there's the comedian Don Friesen, who doesn't look like me at all.
jordan holmes
Right.
But he is.
dan friesen
I have not met him.
jordan holmes
Spiritually, yes.
dan friesen
I almost did.
jordan holmes
You almost did.
Oh, you almost met Don Friesen, not you almost met a doppelganger.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Like you saw one from afar and you were like, I just can't get close to him.
dan friesen
I'm not sure I've ever met...
A doppelganger.
I have really squinty crossed eyes and a huge beard.
It's rare that I run into...
I don't know.
I mean, when I was younger, I always got the you look like Everlast.
jordan holmes
I've never liked that.
A lot of people have said Will Ferrell, too.
I don't like that at all.
dan friesen
And I don't really get that either.
jordan holmes
I don't see Will Ferrell at all.
dan friesen
I think it's completely inaccurate, but I have heard it from a number of people.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
I don't know.
dan friesen
No, I don't think I have.
jordan holmes
I can see maybe a John C. Reilly in Kong.
Have you ever seen that?
Whenever he's got the big beard?
dan friesen
Hey, you know what?
That's not a compliment.
jordan holmes
What are you talking about?
John C. Reilly's great.
dan friesen
Sure.
unidentified
He looks good.
dan friesen
Yeah, he's hot.
jordan holmes
We can't all be hot.
dan friesen
If I needed to look like somebody in the acting world, I would prefer it be one of those character actor types.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
They get a lot more work.
That's what I'm all about.
I'm about that work.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you are.
dan friesen
This is a podcast where I know a lot about getting that character actor work and Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
And I don't know anything about either, frankly.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, today we've got an interesting episode to go over.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
We'll be checking in, like I said on the end of the last episode.
We're staying in the present.
jordan holmes
Staying in there.
dan friesen
And I intended to just keep on going.
It's Sunday, Monday, but the...
The times they required me to jump forward to be much more present.
So today we'll be going over August 21st and 22nd, which is Wednesday and Thursday of this week.
And oh boy.
Oh boy.
jordan holmes
How we doing?
dan friesen
I'm alright.
jordan holmes
Okay, good.
Good.
dan friesen
You know why I'm alright?
unidentified
Why?
dan friesen
Because I am now going to take the opportunity to give some shout-outs to some people who have signed up with the show before we get going.
jordan holmes
Nicely done.
dan friesen
Today we've got a lot of wonks to go through.
jordan holmes
Let's do it.
dan friesen
So we're foregoing technocrats for today to get through a big mass of wonks.
jordan holmes
Good.
dan friesen
I'm very excited to say...
jordan holmes
I'm sure they appreciate being called a mass.
dan friesen
Hey!
unidentified
Hey!
dan friesen
It's a group.
A gaggle.
jordan holmes
Is that what we...
dan friesen
A murder of wonks.
jordan holmes
I don't want that to happen.
dan friesen
So, first, Aaron.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Thank you, Aaron.
jordan holmes
Thanks, Aaron.
dan friesen
Next, Mark.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Captain Mark.
dan friesen
You think it's Richard?
jordan holmes
I think it's him.
dan friesen
It could be.
jordan holmes
Obviously.
dan friesen
Next, Peter.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Peter Petrelli, the main character from Heroes.
Next, Dan.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
My doppelganger.
jordan holmes
You got there first.
Bastard.
dan friesen
Next, Gregory.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
That's Gregory.
dan friesen
You think it's Gregory Coppola, the Google whistleblower from our last episode?
jordan holmes
I doubt it.
Probably not.
dan friesen
Next, Heather.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Heather.
dan friesen
And next, secret agent CWKE.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
jordan holmes
Thank you.
dan friesen
Secret agent.
jordan holmes
Is that code for the CWKE?
dan friesen
CW network.
jordan holmes
C-W-K-E?
unidentified
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Cal-L?
dan friesen
It's probably some reference to something.
jordan holmes
Superman on the CW network.
Thank you very much.
I will take my 500 points now.
dan friesen
I figured it was going to be some anime or something, and you were going to be like, well, this is Bob Dooku.
This is Final Fantasy 84. All right.
jordan holmes
All right.
I got that coming for the...
Okay.
dan friesen
So, finally, I'd like to say a shout-out to somebody who, you know, Chris reached out and wanted to...
To bestow a policy wonk status upon someone.
So, Kella, thank you so much.
On behalf of Chris, you are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Thank you so much, Kella.
So, if you were out there listening and you're thinking, hey, I like this show, I'd like to support what these guys do, you can do that by going to our website, knowledgefight.com, clicking the button that says support the show.
We would appreciate it.
jordan holmes
It would be lovely.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, when I said that we needed to jump up to the more present, here's what I'm talking about.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So we record Wednesday's episode on Tuesday in order to be able to get things out.
So while we were recording, some things happened.
And after we got done, there was news that Trump had made some comments about how Jews who vote for Democrats are disloyal.
jordan holmes
Yeah, while we were recording, Trump went Hitler.
Trump just did Hitler.
Trump Hitler.
dan friesen
He made some...
jordan holmes
In the present tense.
dan friesen
He made some comments that were not good.
And then Rudy Giuliani came out and he clarified that Trump didn't mean that those Jews were disloyal to the United States, but they were disloyal to Israel, which actually makes the comments a bit worse.
jordan holmes
I'm confused as to how he thinks that that's a positive...
Yeah, no, no, no, no, no.
dan friesen
Also making the matters worse was when Trump clarified that that was exactly what he meant, saying, quote, if you vote for a...
Yeah.
Not great.
The idea that Jews have an underlying dual loyalty to Israel is a classic trope of anti-Semitism and white supremacist propaganda in the United States and has been for decades.
And it's very much in line with the worldview propagated by the protocols of the elders of Zion.
This dual loyalty accusation has been used to attack any Jewish politicians and public figures pretty much forever to create the perception that there's no way that a Jewish American could possibly have America's actual interests at heart because they'll always secretly be looking out for Israel, number one.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
It's a truly insane thing to hear the president and one of his close advisors and possibly still lawyer say.
jordan holmes
Oh, what is their relationship with that?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Is it just, it's complicated now?
dan friesen
Yeah, on Facebook it's complicated.
I lost track of the particulars of it, and I don't really care that much.
jordan holmes
Nope, I hope they both have a great time together.
dan friesen
So that was on Tuesday evening.
And then on Wednesday morning, Trump tweeted a thank you to a very insane right-wing radio host named Wayne Allen Root, who had said of Trump, quote, he's the best president for Israel in the history of the world, and the Jewish people in Israel love him like he's the king of Israel.
They love him like he's the second coming of God.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Has anybody read that book, the one at the end of the big book that everybody loves so much, that Bible one?
Have you ever read that last book?
Boy, they really sure sound...
It's like they're fucking with us.
It really is like they're fucking with us.
dan friesen
It does feel like a weird prank.
jordan holmes
Yeah, like I've been an atheist since I was 12 years old, and they're like, ha ha ha, but what if we fuck with them and make them think that the Antichrist is real and we're doing it?
dan friesen
It's very strange, the dynamic that's at play.
jordan holmes
If God's not going to fulfill these prophecies, I'll fucking do it for him.
dan friesen
So Trump repeated those comments that Wayne Allen Root had made about himself, seemingly to give them his stamp of approval, which is pretty much what you'd expect from a malignant narcissist who doesn't really care about what other people think or feel.
Or anything.
jordan holmes
Anything, really.
dan friesen
So then later on Wednesday, Trump decided it was time to really swing for the fences.
In a press gaggle, he was going off on a ramble about how he was standing up to China.
And then in the middle of his comments, he looked at this guy and said, quote, I am the chosen one.
Yep.
unidentified
This is the sort of thing that you might be able to make an argument about it, that he was just saying he was the chosen one to fight China or something.
dan friesen
You could not.
Nope.
He's the second coming of God.
It takes a very, very fucked up dynamic into it.
Like it doesn't exist outside of the context of that tweet he sent in the morning.
Nope.
unidentified
Or the comments he made the day before.
dan friesen
I am the chosen one looking into the heavens is a profoundly fucked up thing, no matter what the surrounding context is.
jordan holmes
No, of course not.
dan friesen
Unless you're doing it like, wouldn't it be fucking crazy if someone did this?
jordan holmes
Yes, yeah, yeah.
Now, in his defense, this is the one thing that he has said so far in this presidency that makes perfect sense to me.
unidentified
Because...
jordan holmes
Who the fuck else could get away with all this shit?
Like, at a certain point, wouldn't you have to start thinking either I'm playing with fucking house money or I am literally Harry Potter?
dan friesen
I guess so.
jordan holmes
Like, he has a main character shield around him.
He can't go to jail for committing all the crimes.
Nobody is assassinating him even though we've assassinated nice guys.
Like, nobody is doing anything to stop him.
The entire world is going his direction.
His buddy is lighting...
The Amazon on fire and everybody's having a great time.
dan friesen
When you say we've assassinated good guys, you mean...
jordan holmes
The human race.
dan friesen
Exactly.
jordan holmes
The human race.
Not you and I particularly.
We have assassinated zero people between the two of us.
dan friesen
I agree.
It is strange.
I mean, it's like the logical extension of what he was saying during the campaign of like, I could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and no one would care.
jordan holmes
And he could.
dan friesen
And you never really thought like...
What are the side pieces of that?
I could say I'm the chosen one.
I could say that Jews are being disloyal to Israel by having different political opinions than me.
And it does not seem to matter.
unidentified
Nope.
dan friesen
He can do anything.
jordan holmes
Do you know why, Dan?
Because he is the chosen one.
That's the only explanation!
dan friesen
Well, I'm going to stop short of that.
I'm going to not take a side on that question, per se.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But I am going to say that I knew that Alex was going to have some thoughts on these developments.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
I knew that there was going to be something of a response from Alex, but I couldn't guess which way it was going to break.
If I had to bet money on it before, when I first saw that news coming out, I would have thought, like, well, we just did an episode about how Trump said he wanted to buy Greenland, and that forced Alex to defend...
The idea of buying Greenland.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
dan friesen
So I kind of figured that, okay, Trump is going to say this stuff.
Alex is now going to have to defend it.
jordan holmes
He's going to have to say that he is Jesus 2.0.
dan friesen
Well, or, I mean, the possibility is Alex could have all of his religious feelings and be like, we have gone too far.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Have a, pardon the expression, coming to Jesus moment.
jordan holmes
Fair.
dan friesen
I didn't know which way it was going to go.
So I guess we'll find out on today's episode.
So we start on the 21st.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
On Wednesday.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
And Alex has sent some of his crew to Hong Kong, which is very exciting.
He is going to have people reporting on the protests in Hong Kong.
Some folks have asked about what Alex's position on that is.
And he is...
jordan holmes
Incoherent?
dan friesen
Somewhat.
He is in support of the protesters.
But there's a strange dynamic that's going on that it's mostly because he hates China.
jordan holmes
There we go.
dan friesen
Which, I guess if that's how you get there, that's how you get there.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But he also has this mentality of, like, the West is now the East.
And, like, Hong Kong is just us.
jordan holmes
See, there we go.
dan friesen
And it's a very strange...
jordan holmes
He kind of thinks that everybody living in Hong Kong is white and everybody in China is Chinese.
dan friesen
There's a feeling of that just based on the way he describes folks.
But I don't think that he...
Actually thinks that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but there's an element of like, well, Hong Kong is the West and we know what the West is.
dan friesen
They're on the West side.
jordan holmes
Yeah, okay.
dan friesen
And so he has a support of them, but it's on a very elementary level.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But he sent these reporters out there, and so he...
In this first clip, he talks about how he's going to cover the spectrum of oppression.
Sure.
He's got the people in Hong Kong.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And then another example.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
We've got three of our intrepid reporters, Gregory Savannah, Hernandez, and others on the ground right now in Hong Kong.
dan friesen
First of all, I love that he has three reporters there.
He names two of them and then says, and others.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
You 100% forgot your third reporter's name.
jordan holmes
Really, really glad I'm not others in this one.
dan friesen
Because it's not plural.
It's one other person.
jordan holmes
There's only three.
alex jones
Hundreds of thousands of Chinese troops are threatening to invade.
They're going to be on with us coming up in about 15 minutes.
Then, Carpe Donctum, one of the top memers on the planet, visits Trump at the White House.
He launches MemeWorld.com.
Starts getting banned on Facebook and other platforms within hours.
All part of election meddling.
dan friesen
So we got Carpe Donctum having some trouble with a meme.
jordan holmes
Sure.
Okay.
dan friesen
We'll get to that a little bit later.
jordan holmes
We got Tiananmen Square in 2019, and we've got Carpe Donctum not being allowed to post.
Dank memes.
Gotcha.
Those are the two...
dan friesen
Equivalent situations.
In Alex's presentation, these are on par with each other.
jordan holmes
Yeah, naturally.
dan friesen
So Alex starts talking and he gets to discussing who the day's guests are.
And he has a name in there that might not immediately jump out to you, but this is a person who it is very fucked up that Alex is having on his show.
alex jones
And then we also have another guest joining us from the UK, and that's...
Jada Franson, one of the main leaders resisting the globalists, very well-spoken, lovely lady.
She'll be joining us coming up for part of the fourth hour.
As well that I will be hosting.
dan friesen
Very exciting.
Alex couldn't find someone to fill in for him for the last hour.
jordan holmes
Sticking around for the fourth hour.
dan friesen
Very exciting.
So it makes some sense if the name Jada Franzen doesn't ring a bell to you or some of our non-UK listeners.
Her name probably isn't too well known here in the U.S., but something that she did might be something that folks remember.
If you recall, back in 2017, Trump retweeted some little videos purporting to show immigrant violence in Europe with the explicit purpose of generating and reinforcing xenophobic fears about refugees and foreigners.
Trump was widely and rightly criticized for promoting this message, seeing as it traced back to the ultra-right-wing, some might say fascist group, Britain First.
And at least one of these videos was found to be completely fake.
Jada Franzen is a member of Britain First, and it was her tweets that Trump had retweeted.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
I was really hoping she was the lady who had tried to restore that Jesus painting and it came out all weird.
Remember that one?
dan friesen
Vaguely.
jordan holmes
That would have been great.
dan friesen
That was not her doing.
Although she might have been behind the scenes on that.
So Franzen was the deputy leader of Britain first, and in her time in that position, she explicitly called for Islam to be banned in the UK.
unidentified
Of course.
dan friesen
That was one of her big things.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
She took over as leader of Britain first when their erstwhile leader, Paul Golding, was sentenced to eight weeks in prison for religious harassment after he violated a court order banning him from entering mosques, given his past history of going to mosques for the specific purpose of religious harassment.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
He went to jail, and when he did, Franzen took over and pretended that Golding was just taking a leave of absence to deal with family issues.
jordan holmes
These guys are great.
I'm loving these people.
dan friesen
A lot of cover-ups.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Incidentally, in 2017, Golding was accused of sexual assault by an underage girl.
The alleged attack took place at a hotel they went to after the girl had attended one of his Britain First rallies, which was centered around decrying the plague of Muslim child sex abuse.
jordan holmes
Ha.
dan friesen
Interesting.
jordan holmes
Ha.
unidentified
Hmm.
dan friesen
To make matters worse, a former member of Britain First named Graham Moore has come forward and attested that Jada Franzen had explicitly tried to coerce this underage girl into not telling anyone what Golding had done.
Morris was in the room and said, quote, Jada was saying, I can give everything you need, a platform.
I'll do this for you, that for you.
She was offering her all sorts.
I'm thinking this is sick.
He went on to say that Franzen said that the girl needed to, quote, come back to the bar and let everyone see you with Paul so it looks like a misunderstanding.
So if you're keeping score, it looks like Franzen was the deputy of an organization trying to demonize Muslims as child abusers who tried to cover up an instance where their leader may or may not have abused a child after a rally they held to demonize Muslims around the issue of child abuse.
So she sounds like a normal Alex Jones guest to me.
jordan holmes
I really just don't think these people care as much about the thing that they're yelling about.
I think they're just making some bullshit up.
In order to sell a whole different agenda.
dan friesen
Ah, maybe.
jordan holmes
I think so, Dan.
I really think so.
I'm starting to crack this case wide open.
dan friesen
It's too bad we don't have a ton of evidence of that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I know.
dan friesen
Anyway, Franzen was formerly a member of Tommy Robinson's English Defense League and has made a career specifically out of targeting, harassing, and agitating against Muslims.
In March 2018, she was sentenced to 38 weeks in prison for religious harassment.
This was the result of her and Golding going to a Muslim business where they, quote, banged on the windows and doors and screamed, pedophile and foreigner.
According to the Guardian, quote, two children were playing in the middle of the shop.
Legitimately, they're just terrorizing children.
The other accounts she was found guilty of were about this troubling habit that Britain first has of showing up at the wrong person's house to harass them.
She showed up at this place.
She got the wrong address.
She thought it was the address of a defendant in a sex abuse trial, but she didn't know it was the wrong address, so she just targeted some unrelated person, and they published a video of her showing up at this person's house, which released their address online.
She also showed up at the correct address of another defendant, but that guy wasn't home.
And that didn't stop Jada from yelling and banging on the door anyway.
The defendant's pregnant girlfriend was home, as were her 3-year-old and 18-month-old children.
The woman testified that Franzen, quote, was making racist remarks.
Dirty Muslim rapist, come out.
We're not going to leave until you're gone.
Come out, dirty scumbags.
It was directed at Temin because she thought he was in there, but he wasn't.
It made me feel very anxious.
I didn't go outside for a long time.
I was also pregnant at the time it happened.
Two days after, I started to bleed heavily and lost my daughter.
She was stillborn.
I blame Jada Franzen.
She also testified that the event has traumatized her child, who still gets scared when anyone knocks on their door.
In May 2019, Franzen was arrested again after she gave a speech in Belfast that was determined to be a, quote, general vehement attack against a religious group.
In her speech, she yelled about how there is no such thing as moderate Islam, and that, quote, these people are baying for our blood.
She told rally attendees that it was time for the world to unite against, quote, the one common enemy, essentially advocating for an extermination campaign against Muslims.
jordan holmes
I thought it was just her.
I'm pretty sure she is our one common enemy.
dan friesen
She's a bad, bad person.
jordan holmes
I would tell her to go to hell, but I worry that Satan's first words to her would be, you're hired.
She has got a fucking resume.
Christ.
dan friesen
So in court she had no remorse for the possible consequences of her words.
jordan holmes
Surprise.
dan friesen
She's a cold-blooded white supremacist and Islamophobe.
And Alex Jones giving her a platform is a very strong indication of the type of show he wants to be running.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So that's not a great announcement to have.
jordan holmes
Cool, cool, cool.
dan friesen
That made me feel like maybe he's not going to talk about Trump's bullshit.
You know, like maybe.
What if he doesn't?
What if he just goes the entire show and doesn't mention Because this is Wednesday's show.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I know, but it really makes the most sense for him to do that.
I feel like that's exactly what he would do.
dan friesen
It is a little on brand.
jordan holmes
That's what I would do.
I'd be like...
dan friesen
Let's punt.
jordan holmes
I have zero narratives that include you calling yourself the Chosen One, so guess what today is?
Today is day off day.
dan friesen
To be fair, the Chosen One thing probably happened while Alex was on air.
He has no reason to know about that while he's on air.
The other stuff, however...
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah.
dan friesen
The tweet and the calling Jews disloyal has happened before this episode.
jordan holmes
King of Israel, of course.
dan friesen
Sure.
So Alex has got his people out in Hong Kong, and he decides he's going to do a live interview with them, and he is fucking so excited about this.
And I would say that this is a demonstration of him being very rude.
alex jones
She's there in Hong Kong, other side of the world, by the miracle of...
The Internet.
She talks to us now.
Give us your take on what you've seen so far and what it's like to be somewhere that's already a war zone.
unidentified
Hi, Alex.
Thanks for having me on.
So we've seen a lot of activity since we got here just this morning.
Of course, as soon as we got here, our cab driver and locals on the streets, they noticed that we're American media and they're really, really interested.
alex jones
Okay, well, hey, Savannah, like I said, the miracle of the other side of the world.
We'll talk to you guys later today.
Having a technical problem there.
dan friesen
That's insane.
I mean, I know that audio quality isn't good, but you can hear what she's saying.
There's literally no reason for it to be that rude.
That's crazy.
You sent her to Hong Kong and they're like, ah, the audio's too low.
jordan holmes
That's so funny.
That is so funny.
dan friesen
Within like 20 seconds of talking to her, just fuck this.
jordan holmes
How much money did you spend to send them all to Hong Kong and then just be like, Oh, God, they're a little bit soft.
Get them out of here.
You're fired!
dan friesen
Fuck it.
We'll get special reports out of it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
They can film some stuff there and we'll put it out.
This interview that I'm so excited about.
Live interview from around the world.
jordan holmes
You know what's crazy?
I feel like she was doing a pretty good job.
unidentified
She was doing all right.
dan friesen
She was doing okay.
And, like I said...
Bad audio quality.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Audible.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
You could hear what she's saying.
You could conduct that interview.
It'd be totally fun.
jordan holmes
Have your producer adjust some levels and fucking move on.
dan friesen
You pretend he has a competent producer.
jordan holmes
Fair enough.
dan friesen
So, instead of talking to the Hong Kong people, he decides to jump to the other topic of oppression, which, of course, is Count Dankula.
jordan holmes
Really don't like that we live in 2019.
dan friesen
Wait, I keep...
jordan holmes
No, Carpe Donctum.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Carpe Donctum.
jordan holmes
They're the same fucking guy.
dan friesen
These fucking names.
unidentified
God.
dan friesen
So yeah, he jumps to Carpe Donctum and his meme world.
alex jones
In a moment, we're going to go to Carpe Donctum, one of the top meme makers in the world, just recently having long meetings with President Trump at the White House when Trump warned big tech to stop censoring.
Well, he's launched memeworld.com because on Facebook and Twitter and on Instagram...
Hundreds of millions of accounts, yes, of meme sites and meme followers have been purged so that we can't communicate with this new modern form of communication.
Beyond the MOG, it is the meme.
It is art.
And so he went up on Facebook with MemeWorld.com, and within two hours, they had banned it.
dan friesen
So we got an interesting situation on our hands.
First of all, I love just the obsession with memes.
It's not something that's going to look ridiculous in like 10 years.
Looking back on this.
jordan holmes
It looks ridiculous now.
dan friesen
It does to me.
jordan holmes
It would have looked ridiculous five years ago when it already started looking ridiculous when people were doing memes 10 years ago.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And we've already gone over in a past episode this bullshit narrative about like tons and millions of people being purged.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And how that's a great misrepresentation.
I went and checked in, and Carpe Donctum's got his fan page completely active on Facebook.
It has like 30,000 followers.
It posts stuff.
I don't see any indication that he's been kicked off.
But there's this idea that his meme world site is somehow banned on Facebook.
And that's kind of interesting.
jordan holmes
Because it's not?
dan friesen
Well, I'm not sure that it is.
I went to Infowars, and I checked their version of the story about it, and there were some screenshots of links not being allowed.
To be posted.
I started to think about, like, now why would that be the case?
What is the issue with it?
And I think I solved the problem when Alex plays the trailer for Carpe Donctum's website, which is what all of these links went to.
alex jones
Here's the latest Carpe Donctum trailer for MemeWorld.com.
We're not going to play the whole thing.
We played it at the start, but here's just the flavor of it.
It's very well done.
unidentified
I just came outside to try to process all this.
I want you to create the best memes the world has ever seen.
dan friesen
Now, if I were Facebook and I had a quality control, I would probably ban this link just for like, this looks fucking stupid.
But that's not the issue.
unidentified
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Quite a bit.
Really?
jordan holmes
Well, it must be conservatives that are being banned, I'm sure.
unidentified
And the best part.
alex jones
This part is when Hillary and all the other Democrat candidates for president, the female ones, are cheerleaders.
More of that coming up in a moment.
It's good for radio, but you really need to see it.
dan friesen
So Alex cuts it off even before the part ends.
Like, this is a clear copyright violation.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
He's using way too much of Gangnam Style.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
This is not something you're allowed to do.
jordan holmes
No, you absolutely cannot do that.
Did he play the original episode of Mickey Mouse while he was doing this, too?
What is going on?
dan friesen
So it's important to point out that the links that were blocked in the screenshots that Alex is promoting as proof of Carpe Donctum censorship are all people trying to post that trailer.
And it includes a very long section of Gangnam Style, which is a copyrighted piece of work.
I have no idea whether or not this is the reasoning that Facebook used for this trailer.
It's an unsanctioned use of copyrighted material.
The fact that it's a clear theft of intellectual property.
But if that is the reasoning for why this link is blocked, then there's every reason not to allow it.
Like, that makes total sense.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, absolutely.
dan friesen
I have no idea.
And honestly, if Facebook enforced their actual guidelines, then Carpe Donctum shouldn't be allowed to use their platform, thanks to their authenticity rule that requires people to have accounts under the name they use in real life.
My larger feeling is indifference, though.
I went to Meme World, and man, that place sucks.
It's just a basic-ass WordPress template with a scroll of anti-left memes being posted.
I looked through them, and there seems to be almost no engagement.
The vast majority of things posted there have zero comments, and barely anything has over 100 likes.
All it takes to like something on there is just press the Like button, and a site announcement itself only has 136 likes.
jordan holmes
Alright, so the problem that I'm seeing is...
His webpage is being suppressed by Google and Facebook.
dan friesen
And Psy.
jordan holmes
And Gab.
They're all in this together to make sure that Count Dankula, or no.
dan friesen
Carpe Donctum.
jordan holmes
They're all so fucking stupid, Dan!
dan friesen
Yeah.
My point here is that Carpe Donctum is super lucky that Facebook blocked one of his links.
Otherwise, the only thing he'd have to go on Alex's show to talk about is his Geocities-ass meme page that's getting D-plus traffic.
And that's the last I'm going to say about Carpe Donctum, this representative of future internet communication.
Whose innovation seems to be basically a shitty Tumblr page.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Congratulations.
jordan holmes
I think he's got us.
The right is too good at humor for us to survive, Dan.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So when I heard that very clear...
jordan holmes
Copyright violation.
dan friesen
Way too long use of Gangnam Style.
jordan holmes
Really ridiculously long.
dan friesen
I kind of suspect that it might be intentional.
I don't know this to be the case.
jordan holmes
You think he was trying to get copyright violated so he would at least have some evidence that somebody was blocking him from doing it?
dan friesen
I think it's a possibility.
This grift runs so strongly and is fueled by censorship and oppression and the victimhood, the aggrievement of the right is so essential to it.
So if you're going to do something like announce your website, it makes sense to do something that is illegal in it.
That you just ignore the fact that it is against copyright laws.
So then you guarantee that it's going to be taken down and then you'll be like, they can't even handle the fact that...
I get the sense that that's possible.
I'm not saying that it is because that would be a wild assumption for me to make when it could just be that he's stupid.
jordan holmes
Which is Occam's razor, you know, top of the list.
dan friesen
Certainly.
Until there's evidence that he's actually intentionally doing that, I will consider it a hunch when stupidity completely satisfies as an explanation.
But I kind of thought like...
That's probably what happened here.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And then when Carpe Donctum starts talking, he kind of makes it clear that that is exactly what's happening.
unidentified
I'm going to alert you to something new, is I can't share the Meme World link on Twitter either.
Unless I remove the little preview, it won't let me share a link to Meme World.
You can only share just the memeworld.com.
But if you try to have it have the preview, which a lot of people use to click on, it won't let you share it.
It'll just send it to your drafts and won't let you send the message.
That's on Twitter now.
dan friesen
So that's clear.
jordan holmes
He is too stupid.
dan friesen
That's clear.
You can share the link.
You can't share it with the copyright infringing content.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
This is ridiculous.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
This is a non-issue.
This is non-censorship.
If you can share the link to your website, then your website's not getting blocked.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
One thing is...
And it is a clear violation of size copyright.
jordan holmes
Right.
Well, just because Facebook and Google and Twitter aren't censoring you doesn't mean you shouldn't tell people that they're censoring you, Dan.
That's crazy.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
I think we're going to get kicked off before they do.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Probably.
jordan holmes
God.
dan friesen
So Alex has another aggrievement narrative about tech censorship gone awry and everything being so terrible for Trump.
And it's, what do you know, a load of bullshit.
alex jones
I mean, they're at war with reality.
I mentioned this, and it's here in my stack.
jordan holmes
Stop gaslighting me.
alex jones
Did you see where they just banned the Republican National Committee's ad because it said, we're looking for strong women?
And they said, well, someone that got that might not be a woman, and hearing the word woman might trigger them.
This is a war on language by design.
dan friesen
Carpe Donctum isn't aware of this story, so he accepts Alex's interpretation of it and then is like, yeah, they are totally out of control.
They're trying to take over language.
Yes, and.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
The scam doesn't run on critical questioning.
jordan holmes
Wait, Alex, hold on one second.
Could you please explain further?
dan friesen
What's the fucking actual issue you're talking about?
Because, of course, the assumption that, like, hey, we're looking for strong women.
This must be some sort of a thing with, like, these trans people are so offended by the word woman!
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Purple penguins, blah, blah, blah.
dan friesen
Exactly.
That's the narrative that Alex runs with this.
So, the problem, actually...
The Trump ad, the problem that it had and the reason that it was disallowed was that it presumed a person's gender in the ad itself, which is against Facebook's ad policies.
Quite literally, if you look at Facebook's advertising rules, the first thing you'll find is a link to the rules about personal attributes.
Quote, So what they do is they allow, like, we're looking for Christians.
But they don't allow, are you a Christian?
They don't do that.
That is disallowed.
jordan holmes
Okay, so you can't be like, are you an...
Indian with a broken leg who is dabbling in Buddhism, then you should be voting for Trump.
dan friesen
Right.
They don't allow that sort of...
Even though you can target people based on who should see this ad, you still can't, in the body of the ad, presume someone's...
any characteristic about them.
That's deemed against their policies.
This is a really basic thing about their rules.
And if Trump and his team or whoever posted this stupid ad had spent even a second figuring out what they're doing and whether it was allowed or not, they wouldn't have been able to post the ad and wouldn't have done it in the first place.
And this is where we get back to those...
This shit just seems like right-wing fuckheads creating their own victimhood to complain about.
Carpe Godotum, like I said, he uses Gangnam Style in the trailer for his dumb meme page, probably knowing that it wasn't covered by fair use.
His link isn't allowed, and boom, you got a free speech grift cooking.
These people who made this Trump ad had every reason to know that you can't post an ad on Facebook that presumes a person's gender.
But they do it anyway.
When it gets taken down for breaking the rules, boom!
You got a culture war grift cooking.
This shit is really sad.
These dumb, dumb fascists are so desperate to paint themselves as victims, they have to paint instances where they're not being allowed to break the rules as some kind of an oppression.
This is the only way that they can get attention.
It's the only way they can pretend they're relevant, and it's honestly getting exhausting.
jordan holmes
It was exhausting years ago.
The problem is that it's working, and it never seems to stop working, and it seems like if you're stupid and a cheater, then you are, of course, being oppressed by any rules because...
Stupid cheaters are bad.
dan friesen
If you expect to be able to cheat and nothing applies to you, then yes, rules are oppression.
jordan holmes
Yeah, rules are oppression.
dan friesen
That might actually be...
jordan holmes
That is exactly what these people believe.
dan friesen
That might be it.
You might have accidentally stumbled into the explanation.
jordan holmes
It's like they get pulled over and they're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa!
Did you guys not know?
I can drive 90 miles an hour in the school zone.
I'm white.
dan friesen
I'm allowed to travel.
Come on!
Subscribe to Maritime Law.
jordan holmes
Yeah, Jesus.
dan friesen
So, in this next clip, Carpe Donctum's talking about the rules for people posting stuff on Meme World.
And wouldn't you know, he has some censorship cooking.
unidentified
Right now there is discussion.
You can...
Talk in the comments and things like that, but it's not open for just anyone to post.
jordan holmes
Why?
alex jones
And that's for obvious reasons, because they're going to send in Southern Garvey Law Center people posing as us, saying, haul Hitler.
unidentified
Yeah, I'm going to try to avoid having just random trolls posting Hitler and Nazi salutes and all that kind of stuff.
alex jones
Well, you know what it'll be.
They'll have an Antifa guy go in there and say something before he goes and shoots up a school.
I mean, we know all their tricks.
dan friesen
Those are not their tricks.
jordan holmes
That's what you guys do.
That's what you guys do!
dan friesen
I mean, it's a really good protective technique to say something like this.
jordan holmes
Oh, so good.
dan friesen
It's very awesome to always paint anything that is an indication that people on your side of things seem to be causing a lot of violence.
It's good to just preemptively and universally be like, oh, those are actually just Antifa people.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Do we have any Antifa people posting Heil Hitler in our website?
dan friesen
I haven't seen any.
jordan holmes
You haven't seen any?
We don't even have any regular people posting Heil Hitler.
So it seems like there are far fewer Antifa people who are fake posting Heil Hitler.
But there are a bunch of people who are regular people who would post Heil Hitler.
Because they love Hitler.
And you guys are Hitler.
dan friesen
This is a tacit understanding and a recognition on Alex and Doc's part that like a lot of our fans fucking love Hitler.
Yeah.
unidentified
And we need to come up with a way to explain that that isn't, huh, a lot of our fans love It's really bumming me out that the media middleman seem to be the only people who are trying to keep...
jordan holmes
The right from being fans, outright Nazis.
Like, Trump is just literally going full Hitler.
Just like, I'm saying Hitler words, I am a Nazi.
He might as well stand up in front of everyone and go, I am a Nazi.
Everybody who votes for him is like, yeah, we love Nazis!
And the media is trying to come up with any and all possible excuses for why he's not a Nazi.
dan friesen
Just weird, convoluted explanations.
jordan holmes
They're the only ones who are getting in the way.
We all know he's a Nazi.
We all know they're Nazis.
Let's just move on.
dan friesen
Perhaps.
So Alex has some weird fucking ads on this show.
He has one where he says, like, if you guys just pay me a bunch of money and buy a bunch of stuff, I will do less ads.
jordan holmes
I like that.
I like that.
dan friesen
It's almost like a recognition on his part, like, I do too much.
I do too much plugging.
jordan holmes
That is Stockholm Syndrome is what that is.
dan friesen
I do too much plugging, and I'm recognizing that it's probably annoying the shit out of my listeners.
So I'll tell you what.
Give me a bunch of money and I'll stop.
jordan holmes
I have been punching you over and over and over again, and if you just give me a bunch of money, I will punch you slightly fewer times.
dan friesen
It's very weird, but I respect it.
And then he has another one that's not really an ad, but of course it's like an ad for InfoWars itself, where he's rambling about how great farmers are.
unidentified
Sure, sure, fine, fine.
dan friesen
It includes this that I just think is really funny.
alex jones
Americans aren't going to be bullied, and we aren't going to back down.
So to the Joaquin Cruises and the Hillary Clintons of the world that want to intimidate people and tell us to back down, we're never going to give up.
And all you've done is awaken the human spirit.
dan friesen
That's Joaquin Castro, not Cruz.
jordan holmes
Did he say Joaquin Cruises?
dan friesen
He did.
jordan holmes
I really thought he said Joaquin Cruises.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
I was like...
Is that a different type of cruise than I'm unaware?
dan friesen
You go on a boat and there's a track on it for pedestrianism.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's funny.
I mean, he can't even be bothered to care about the things he pretends to care about.
This is ludicrous.
jordan holmes
Let's go to Hong Kong.
How are we doing out there?
dan friesen
You know, the thing, too, is this is a pre-recorded thing.
jordan holmes
Does he even go back?
dan friesen
No, that's a pre-recorded thing.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
He could have done a second take.
dan friesen
Anybody who is in the control room or his cameraman could have been like, hey, Alex, you got that name wrong.
Look, it'll take us ten seconds.
We can edit it in.
Let's just do another take.
We can even do it from another angle so it doesn't look like you fucked up.
Come on, man.
Let's do this.
Let's be professionals.
Joaquin Cruz isn't a person that you hate.
It's Joaquin Castro.
jordan holmes
Even drunk George Orwell did a second take, for God's sake.
dan friesen
It's pathetic.
It's the pathetic level of professionalism.
So Alex really wants to make sure that no one thinks that the Trump ad targeting strong women is an issue with Facebook's ad policies that everyone is subject to.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
He wants to make it seem like it's a gender issue.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
He's very desperate about that, and so here is a clip of him doing that.
alex jones
The magnitude now of the night.
Teen 99, you'd never imagine this.
Even in a science fiction book about a dystopia, you'd say, oh, they'll never have a dystopia where you can't send out an email or a text message or something saying strong women.
Because someone might have seen it.
Someone might have been hurt.
This is such next level.
And we're just here taking it like it's, oh, that's just the next level.
And that's how tyranny works.
They incrementally get you to take more and more.
And more of the poison until you just finally have just succumbed to the insanity.
So there's a total method of this madness.
What do you say, Carpe Donctum?
dan friesen
I just love any clip that ends like that.
How say you, Carpe Doctum?
jordan holmes
What do you say, Carpe Doctum?
No, no, no.
dan friesen
I'm going to say a bunch of misleading and stupid bullshit, and then I'm going to throw it to the meme wizard.
jordan holmes
That's unreal.
That's unreal.
dan friesen
A guy who has no real qualifications except he edits tiny pieces of media.
jordan holmes
We can't live in a world where...
That's like two years away from being on CNN.
That's two years away from somebody going, and what do you think, Carpe Donctum?
dan friesen
We might be too far down the road to avoid that, honestly.
We'll see.
jordan holmes
Can we shorten it to Carpe or Donctum?
dan friesen
Donk.
jordan holmes
You want to go with Donk?
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
I will go with Donk for sure.
dan friesen
So, at the beginning of this episode, I mentioned that Alex announced that Jada Franzen was going to be on.
jordan holmes
Yes.
Jada Franzen-Smith.
We all know her.
She was great.
dan friesen
It turns out.
She doesn't show up.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
She gets bumped, which is the good news.
jordan holmes
That is good news.
dan friesen
This is the good news of this next clip, although it does come with some bad news.
alex jones
Zachary Voorhees is live in studio with Alex Jones to take your questions.
And I'm going to do this with the next guest.
I really wanted Jada Franzen on for a month.
We couldn't get her.
But now she's able to come on.
But this is so important.
We're going to clear the decks.
And we apologize to her at jadafranson.online.
And we're just going to move that on because we're getting started a little bit later today.
But when we come back, we're launching straight into this.
And this whistleblower that came here, his colleagues are calling him the Ed Snowden of Big Tech Whistleblowers.
This is huge.
dan friesen
Can you imagine Edward Snowden going to Project Veritas?
Seems weird.
So, Zach Voorhees, again, the quote-unquote Google whistleblower who believes there's a Zionist occupational government and also has said that the Jews were on the media and all that shit.
He is back.
Do you think Alex asks him about that?
jordan holmes
Oh, God.
dan friesen
Because he doesn't.
jordan holmes
No.
What is he?
dan friesen
Seems to just leave that part aside.
jordan holmes
I would like to have a clear hierarchy.
dan friesen
Hey, Zach.
alex jones
What about that Zog?
dan friesen
That does not happen.
jordan holmes
No, okay.
I want a clear hierarchy of who bumps who.
You know what I'm saying?
With InfoWars guests, I want to clear, like, oh, Leo called, so he bumps this person.
He bumps that.
Like, we're talking 90s Conan.
You get bumps from the...
dan friesen
Already, Zach's been responsible for Leo getting bumped on the last episode.
jordan holmes
Yeah, 35 minutes or whatever.
dan friesen
So he's fucking...
jordan holmes
Alright, okay.
dan friesen
He is the cat's meow.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
Where's the guy who smashes things with his little hammer?
dan friesen
Alex would drop Voorhees for that in a second.
Hit the piggyback.
Hit the piggyback.
unidentified
Hit it.
jordan holmes
I'll hit something here.
dan friesen
So, Alex and Voorhees, we talked about him on the last episode, and so when I heard he was on, he was going to be on for the rest of the show.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I was like, I don't want to do this.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
I don't want to go back into this, but I also decided that, like, they have a long time on this show.
They better get into actual evidence of his claims.
jordan holmes
No, absolutely not.
dan friesen
Because if they have two hours, Completely renegade, free program, then obviously you would present your evidence.
And so I decided I would try and isolate...
Any instances of actual evidence that this guy is presenting.
jordan holmes
I'm going to go with freewheeling chat about God, maybe.
dan friesen
Alex tries to get into that a little bit, but it's not really the predominant thing.
It's bullshit.
jordan holmes
Wait, so does this really go on for another couple hours?
dan friesen
It goes on the whole rest of the show.
jordan holmes
That can't be true.
dan friesen
It does.
jordan holmes
Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
And Alex does host the fourth hour.
And I'll tell you this.
He does not seem to like Zach Voorhees as a person.
I think he finds him a little annoying.
I think he triggers that, like, sort of nerd rage in Alex.
Like, his bully comes out a little.
Because there's a couple points where you can just tell he's like, Ugh, fuck this guy.
Fuck.
So...
So Alex and Zach discuss an interview.
This is one of their pieces of evidence, the first thing they bring up.
They bring up an interview that Eric Schmidt did with Charlie Rose, which is definitely not something we need a whistleblower for.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
In the interview, Schmidt says that the fact that you get a ton of answers from a search on Google is a bug in their system.
If the search function was perfect, you'd always get the right answer for what you're looking for every time.
He's clearly talking about factual information, like who was president during the Louisiana Purchase.
But Alex and Voorhees seem to think that what Schmidt is talking about applies to literally everything.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And that's probably not a fair assessment of what he was saying.
jordan holmes
Are you sure it's not because Alex and Zach are both geniuses who can read between the lines?
dan friesen
It's possible.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So that's the first thing that they bring up, and I find that to be an incredibly weak piece of evidence.
Oh, yeah.
Especially for a guy, like, you're the whistleblower.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You don't need to go to Charlie Rose interviews.
unidentified
No, no, no.
jordan holmes
You point to readily available public information.
That's how people blow whistles, Dan.
dan friesen
It was on TV, bro.
I know Charlie Rose doesn't have the viewership that maybe, you know, the talk shows of yore.
jordan holmes
Or as many visitors as the donk.
dan friesen
Certainly not.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
How do you...
So...
If Snowden just pointed to a clip of Maddow, if Snowden pointed to a clip of Maddow, we would have murdered him by now.
dan friesen
That would be amazing.
jordan holmes
The entire country would have just descended upon him like rocks from a mountain.
dan friesen
Right.
Edward Snowden finally has the chance to talk and he's like, have you seen this fucking Chris Hayes interview?
Gotta go!
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
I know you guys think Larry King has been off the air for a while now, but I've got some underground Larry King footage to show you.
dan friesen
Yeah, so that was the first piece of evidence, and we'll get into a little bit more.
But the issue that I ran into very quickly is that things that we know that Zack has put into the world and believes take some of the things he's saying.
That might just be like, eh, this is a stupid Alex Jones interview.
And take them into a very, very dark territory.
And this first one involves Soros.
alex jones
I mean, they call us Nazis all day.
They are literally funded.
Their main funder is a Nazi collaborator.
You can't make this up.
zach vorhies
Yeah, George Soros.
And there's videos of him.
I've seen two videos now where he's talking about the exhilaration that he had sending Jews off to concentration camps.
And what's really ironic is that if we criticize George Soros, then they call us anti-Semites.
And it's like we're not criticizing him because, you know, he is...
alex jones
We're criticizing him because he's a damn Nazi collaborator.
zach vorhies
Yeah, exactly, you know?
alex jones
But see, it's that death of logic.
dan friesen
The reason Alex laughed there is because he knows that he's talking shit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, of course.
dan friesen
He's admitted as much on his second Rogan appearance that the idea of Soros being involved with the Nazis is not an answered question.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
He's talking shit.
jordan holmes
It's ridiculous.
dan friesen
This is not okay to hear from, first of all, Alex, period.
But then, a guy who believes in a fucking Zog.
This isn't okay.
And what he's saying isn't true.
It's not real.
These videos of Soros talking about taking away Jews isn't something that exists.
That's a fake thing that they're talking about.
And they're demonizing George Soros in this way.
Because of those other beliefs that they have.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
The whole he's Jewish thing.
dan friesen
Right.
The whole Jews control the world mythology and ideology that Zach Voorhees very clearly subscribes to.
Alex Jones is allowing essentially a complete anti-Semitic pageant to happen on his show under the guise of this guy having Google documents that prove X, Y, or Z. Right.
And they don't.
jordan holmes
It's another example where their cheating makes me want my head to explode as soon as possible because here's the thing that they're claiming.
They're claiming that while they're making anti-Semitic attacks under the guise of bullshit and we call them out as being anti-Semites, we're trying to suppress their speech.
And we're the ones who are actually anti-Semitic.
dan friesen
Because we all work for George Soros, who worked for the Nazis, which is an anti-Semitic smear.
jordan holmes
Right.
But if somebody, like, say me, were to criticize Israel's apartheid policies and their destruction of people, then that's because I'm anti-Semitic, not because apartheid's bad.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
So, one of those is true, but somehow both of them are...
Driving me insane.
dan friesen
Yep, they're not great.
And we'll get back to that thought.
jordan holmes
Yeah, great.
alex jones
Oh boy, here we go.
dan friesen
A little bit later.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
But first, we have to have another gigantic red flag be thrown onto the field by one Zach Voorhees, and then Alex just fucking runs with it.
He loves it.
alex jones
How do we fight back?
zach vorhies
Yeah.
alex jones
And in gut level, what do you think their Achilles heels are?
zach vorhies
I actually want to recommend a book called SJWs Always Lie by Voxday.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
Oh, no.
zach vorhies
That's the only book that I would recommend that someone would...
alex jones
I don't mean to plug it, but we do sell it at InfoWareStore.com.
That's one of the few books I've read the last year I've been so busy.
They always lie.
dan friesen
Oh, boy.
Looks like Alex's insatiable reading habit has dropped off.
So, Vox Dei is an explicit white supremacist.
He supports the terrorist acts committed by Anders Breivik and refers to him as Saint Breivik.
He's a race IQ guy.
He's literally called homosexuality a birth defect and argued that the acceptance of LGBTQ rights is a symptom of a civilization in collapse.
He wrote on his blog, quote, For most Americans, the issue isn't whether Jews have divided loyalties or not.
It's whether they have any loyalty to the United States at all.
So, I'm sure he loves Trump's comments.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he's doing great.
dan friesen
He's advocated for horrendous war crimes against Palestinians, saying, This shit was posted on World Net Daily.
WorldNet Daily's editors read that and said, yeah, this looks good.
Let's go ahead and post that.
unidentified
Yeah, I think they might actually be Nazis.
jordan holmes
I think we're there.
dan friesen
That was back in 2002, by the way.
unidentified
I think we're there.
dan friesen
That was 2002, Vox Dei wrote that.
He's been a shithead for a long time.
jordan holmes
Important of popular things to come.
dan friesen
Vox Dei is a complete monster.
His books, SJW's Always Lie, is shit.
I don't need to read it to tell you that at all.
If Vox Dei wrote it and Milo Yiannopoulos wrote the foreword for it, which he did, I can tell you sight unseen that it's a load of worthless drivel.
But it's exactly the sort of book you'd probably expect to hear being promoted by a guy who believes the U.S. is under a Zionist-occupied government.
Alex's show has become completely inundated.
I turn on an episode these days and the guests are either white supremacist, fascism advocates, or Alex's lawyers.
The show's a complete disaster, and if the diminishing sound quality is any indication, it's running on borrowed time.
Like, I think it feels like the wheels have completely fallen off the wagon.
jordan holmes
Well, so as goes Infowars, so goes America, is what they say.
dan friesen
That's right.
That's Thomas Jefferson.
jordan holmes
As Infowars falls off the map, America goes right next to him.
dan friesen
So we got, you know, anti-Semitic conspiracies about Soros and promotions of Vox Dei's book being put forth by this guy who believes in a Zog on Alex's show, which is irrelevant.
Piece of information about both of those things.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
They shade what he's talking about.
jordan holmes
Right.
Now, what you're forgetting, though, Dan, is that you and I are anti-Semites.
There you go.
See?
Now he's fine.
The guy who's like all about, oh, let's exterminate people.
You know, that guy.
He's good.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
It's you and I who are bad.
dan friesen
So in this next clip, Zach uses some code language that should be, it's a little familiar to us.
jordan holmes
The Edward?
dan friesen
No, that's not code.
He's speaking to people.
He's signaling to people.
jordan holmes
Okay, all right.
zach vorhies
I've been at Google for eight years, and then the last three, that's when everything was turning into clown world.
And so I decided that, you know, Understanding how the Marxist left works, I realized that they don't even understand that what they're doing is appalling and reprehensible, and as a result, they just left all of their documents about what they were going to do, all their plans, available on the internal public internet.
dan friesen
So, I found all this.
They didn't even know to hide all the smoking gun proof, and I just grabbed it all up.
We'll see what he has to present.
jordan holmes
Like Ed Snowden.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
And Rachel Maddow's clip room.
dan friesen
Him using Clown World there is signaling to a particular audience that is 100% what's being done.
And we've seen Alex do that as well.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
To the extent that Alex is aware of what he's doing, I think he is, but you could probably make the same argument that he's fucking stupid.
And one of his interns or something is like, call it Clown World.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
No, it makes sense.
They are clowns.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
Whereas what it really is is a tip of the hat to...
White supremacist and neo-Nazi leaning groups.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he might as well switch from 1776 2.0 to 1488 2.0.
dan friesen
No, no, no, no.
Only a select few prisoners know about 88. That's right.
jordan holmes
I forgot.
dan friesen
I forgot.
jordan holmes
It was a select few prisoners.
My bad.
dan friesen
So Alex is doing a lot of plugging.
During this talk with Zach.
And in this next clip, I love this so much.
In the span of 20 seconds, Alex plugs two shirts that he explicitly stole the designs for.
alex jones
And we've got some of the t-shirts, by the way, that are limited edition.
The shirt inspired, I already had it being designed, but then I saw Chris Pratt wearing a Don't Tread on Me with a Gadsden Snake with the Betsy Ross.
I'm like, that's genius.
So we change it to that.
That shirt is almost sold out.
So is the last run.
Of the Space Force.
dan friesen
So those are both stolen.
Like, he even says in there, like, oh, I saw Chris Pratt, so we changed it to that.
That's even more explicit than he has been in the past.
He's implied very heavily that he stole that design because he saw it on Chris Pratt, but now he's saying, we changed our design to what I saw on him.
That's intellectual property theft, Alex.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, he just admitted to a crime.
dan friesen
That's personal, like, his whole thing is private property, he loves it so much.
jordan holmes
You know, but that does make more sense why the donk...
Would be confused that his stuff was being censored for copyright violation because they violate copyright all the time and they've never had any consequences for it.
dan friesen
The position that they could have, I see, is intellectual property doesn't exist.
But in order for them to make that, they need to change a number of the things that they say.
They also need to stop complaining about China and their intellectual property theft.
They have to take that arrow out of their quiver, and they don't think they're willing to do that.
And so they're internally inconsistent when they steal other people's intellectual property and yell about it all day.
jordan holmes
The rules do not apply to me and my ilk, Dan.
The rules apply to you, the people who I'm trying to oppress, and you won't just let me oppress you!
dan friesen
Fair enough.
So we get back here to the evidence that Zach is putting forth.
He has some audio of Susan Wachiecki giving a speech at an internal meeting, and it doesn't really demonstrate anything close to what he's saying.
jordan holmes
He's got that episode of Muppet Babies in his back pocket.
unidentified
He does.
dan friesen
The speech that he has essentially boils down to, like, we are going to not put bullshit.
Yeah.
And, you know, why would you want a company to just allow anything in their news feed, let's say?
Right, right, right.
It doesn't prove what he's saying in any way.
So then he brings out one of the documents that he wants to highlight, and it's not good.
It's not a good example.
zach vorhies
This is part of the document dump that was released through Project Veritas.
If the audience wants to look at this, they can go to Project Veritas and download this.
This is called the Training Global Google Efforts to Address Fake News.
And so on page 5, there's this document here.
And if you look at the second example, and that is WikiLeaks confirms Hillary sold weapons to ISIS, then drops another bombshell breaking news.
Okay?
And then the second one is something similar.
Hillary's ISIS email just leaked and it's worse than anyone could have imagined.
Well, Hillary Clinton was running weapons to ISIS through Benghazi.
dan friesen
So, one of the issues that needs to be addressed here is that Zach Voorhees is not very smart.
He might be a good engineer or whatever, but he is a really stupid guy.
Here he is pointing to one of the documents he released about Google defining what they consider to be fake news, and he takes issue with their example.
The example Google uses is about stories involving a WikiLeaks release of an email, particularly these stories are ones that allege that the email proved that Hillary was selling weapons to ISIS.
Today is not the day for us to get into Benghazi, and we've talked about it a bit in the past, so let us leave that aside for a second.
I don't even care about any of the particular issues about Hillary selling weapons.
I don't care about Benghazi, any of that stuff.
And here's why.
Because it's not relevant at all to the subject that Zach is talking about and this document that he has from Google.
What's in play in this consideration is whether or not the stories about WikiLeaks releasing an email that proved Hillary was selling weapons to ISIS, whether or not those are true.
That is it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's the only determinative factor about whether or not these stories are fake or not.
It could very well be that Hillary was selling weapons to ISIS, the Confederate States of America, and spider leadership.
But that has zero bearing on whether or not a story about a WikiLeaks email is true or not.
The only factor is whether or not such an email exists.
Because if it doesn't, then all the stories that are saying it does are lying and fake.
That email doesn't exist.
The closest thing that WikiLeaks has ever released is a series of emails from 2014 where Hillary indicates an awareness that the Saudi government had been clandestinely supporting ISIS and that we sold Saudi Arabia weapons.
She also explicitly notes in that chain of emails that their support of ISIS was something that we needed to apply pressure on to get them to stop doing.
The entire rest of the email is about stopping ISIS, so I'm not sure if this comes close to qualifying as proof of her intentionally selling weapons to ISIS.
Also, Alex probably wants to keep the conversation squarely away from Saudi Arabia, lest he have to talk about Trump's huge weapon sales of late.
This is a classic case of a conservative media site creating a sensational headline.
In this case, WikiLeaks confirms Hillary sold weapons to ISIS, which is just picked up and repeated like a bad game of telephone until people repeating it no longer really even realize that they have no idea where they got the information from.
They don't want to sound stupid, so they claim that they read the WikiLeaks emails, but dollars to donuts if you ask them which email they're talking about?
They wouldn't have an answer for you.
They couldn't have an answer for you because no such email has ever been released by WikiLeaks.
You could make a pretty solid argument that during her time as Secretary of State, a lot of weapons got sold or sent places that could have eventually found their way into the hands of ISIS.
Through theft or mishandling or some combination of circumstances.
But that's not the claim that's being made by these sites.
They're alleging that Hillary Clinton knowingly and intentionally sold weapons to ISIS, which is a false claim.
They're further saying that this WikiLeaks email proves their claim, which itself is another false claim.
This is why Google would use this as an example of a fake news story, because it is one.
Zach the Whistleblower is so entrenched in the world of right-wing conspiracy and propaganda that he has no idea what the actual conversation is that's happening.
He has his conclusion in mind, so he has zero interest in the nuance of why the example Google is using is actually a really good case study.
He's very, very dumb, which is why he would find a ton of innocuous documents on Google's share folder and then decide that they were some kind of a smoking gun.
I've read a number of the documents.
I don't have time to read all thousand of them, and some of them are not even relevant in any way to any of the arguments he's making.
But I did find a website that broke down all of the documents, and their assessment of it from a tech perspective was that actually this paints Google in a really good light.
jordan holmes
Yeah, of course.
dan friesen
There's nothing in there that...
jordan holmes
Of fucking course.
dan friesen
And then here's the other issue about this.
jordan holmes
But it doesn't matter.
Just make it up and lie about it.
It just matters that something is there.
dan friesen
But here's what does matter about this situation.
When Zach Voorhees released these documents to Project Veritas, neither he nor James O 'Keefe took the time to protect the identities of people who are mentioned to the documents.
The personal information of people in email threads?
They did nothing.
One entire folder marked partisanship is mostly screenshots of Google employees' social media accounts that Zach collected where they say things that he feels indicates that there's a company-wide bias.
Leaving aside how fucking stupid that argument is, that individuals having opinions indicates that the entire company has the same opinion, this is a shameful act of doxing on a massive scale, and it wouldn't be unreasonable to assume that it could put some of these people in danger.
If Zach is arguing that these people are trying to social engineer the country into a fraudulent election, he's putting a gigantic target on them, and Project Veritas decided to release the documents unredacted.
No legitimate journalistic outlet would ever do something like that.
It's really, really fucked up.
jordan holmes
That is incredibly fucked up.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
They can't do that, can they?
dan friesen
I guess.
jordan holmes
Why didn't we write laws for all this shit that in retrospect seems really, really obviously...
It's so...
But that's why.
Because it's so cartoonishly evil, we would never have assumed we would need to write down those stupid laws.
Fucking unreal.
dan friesen
Well, I imagine that it's technically legal.
Like, because it's not...
You know, like your social media account is public.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I get all of that shit, but it's very clear that this is with malicious intent.
dan friesen
100%.
jordan holmes
It is absolutely clear.
dan friesen
The only outcome that you can really expect of it is these people being harassed, threatened.
jordan holmes
This is an implicit threat, if not an explicit one.
dan friesen
And it doesn't demonstrate anything that helps make Zach's point.
jordan holmes
Right, no.
dan friesen
It just gives people targets.
But I don't know if he's too stupid to not understand that it doesn't make his point.
I think that's entirely possible.
It's possible that he didn't put, like, screenshots of these people's social media accounts in there in order to target them.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But if Project Veritas had even a kernel of respectability, then they would have gone in and wiped out people's names before releasing this publicly.
No, absolutely.
Because they have every reason to understand the possible ramifications of this.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
Considering they should be in jail a few times over now.
jordan holmes
Right.
unidentified
Yeah, they of course understand.
dan friesen
So this is the other piece of information that he's bringing to the table.
Right, right, right.
Not good!
If these are the pieces of evidence that he's bringing up, this stinks.
jordan holmes
WikiLeaks email proves Hillary knew of horse sheriff that dresses up like masked vigilante carrying guitar.
dan friesen
Now, why do they say that's fake news?
jordan holmes
Yeah, what bullshit is coming here?
dan friesen
And again, even if the conclusion that Hillary did sell weapons to terrorists, even if that's true...
These stories are still fake.
jordan holmes
Email doesn't prove it, because it doesn't exist.
dan friesen
And thus, the stories are fake.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
It doesn't matter what the conclusion is.
jordan holmes
Things have to be objectively real.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Yeah, gotcha.
dan friesen
So, in this next clip, we get to another piece of information that Zach has.
Proof.
I don't even know if this one is fucking in his documents.
It's just some little magic trick that you can do.
Wait, what?
jordan holmes
If you fold a $100 bill the right way, you can see that Hillary killed everybody?
dan friesen
It's not far off.
jordan holmes
God, I hate these people so much.
zach vorhies
And so, the way that...
Google was able to influence the election is that they were deleting the search prediction results when people were trying to find information about Hillary Clinton.
Now, the thing is that a lot of people went on and were searching for the Clinton body count because there's a lot of people that have died related to Hillary Clinton.
dan friesen
Uh-oh.
So his argument seems to be that they swayed the election.
Because Google didn't allow the autofill suggestion for when you type in Hillary Clinton to be Hillary Clinton body count.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
dan friesen
They took that out of the suggestions.
jordan holmes
I imagine, or at least hope, that Hillary Clinton big tits was removed from the autofill.
dan friesen
Hillary Clinton feet.
Yeah.
Hillary Clinton body count, you can search, but it pulls up pictures of iced tea with...
jordan holmes
I like it.
I like it.
dan friesen
So before we get into this, I want to say that I do think, generally speaking, that it could get way out of hand for a media company to hide negative stories about a particular political figure, regardless of their political affiliation or ideology.
I think that's something to keep in mind.
And if there's ever a serious example of that, I would give it some serious thought about what side I want to lay.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
The Clinton body count meme started back in 1993, when a conspiracy theorist named Linda Thompson made a list of people near the Clintons who had died under suspicious circumstances, with the heavy insinuation that they were murdered.
She had zero evidence of anything, just a desire to derail the Clintons, probably because she was a militia lunatic who had declared herself the, quote, acting adjutant general of the unorganized militias of the United States.
jordan holmes
Why is it that these people are winning?
I don't like that these people are winning over the rest of us right now.
It's bumming me out.
dan friesen
She planned a 1994 march on Washington where all militias would converge and arrest Congress.
jordan holmes
Boy, that sure sounds more like a revolution, doesn't it?
dan friesen
We all remember.
jordan holmes
That sounds like a coup.
dan friesen
We all remember in 1994 when Congress got arrested.
Nope, because it didn't happen.
jordan holmes
Citizens' arrest.
dan friesen
Even the John Birch Society decried those plans as crazy, so she canceled her march.
I love it.
unidentified
Yes.
jordan holmes
Come on.
Give me more of this lunacy.
dan friesen
So, Linda sent her list of suspicious Clinton deaths to then-representative William Dannemeyer, who took the ball and ran with it, even adding entries to the list.
It should be pointed out that William Dannemeyer, though a former representative, is a completely insane and shitty person.
He wrote a post for TakeBackOurRights.org entitled, quote, Now the government can illegally kill Christians, which reads like your grandmother's least coherent chain email.
Here are some choice passages.
jordan holmes
Let's hear it.
dan friesen
Quote, your U.S. government can now legally kill Christians for the crime of worshipping Jesus Christ!
Exclamation point.
jordan holmes
Stop right there.
We've got some edits to go through here, okay?
Who are you talking to first?
When you say your...
dan friesen
Americans.
Christians.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Now, when you're constructing a sentence, specifically one like this...
Don't start with your government.
And then a run-on sentence that doesn't make any sense with an exclamation point.
You get one exclamation point in a novel, let alone a blog post, sir.
dan friesen
But starting the your is good, because it's like the announcer being like, your New York mix!
unidentified
No!
No!
jordan holmes
That is not how it works!
dan friesen
No, it's fine.
A diabolic deception has been perpetrated on the American people by their own leaders.
All capitalized for own.
Their own leaders, senators, congressmen, who have sold their soul to the devil.
jordan holmes
Wait, so you were just talking to your government, suggesting you were talking to people.
Now who are you talking to with this sentence?
dan friesen
There.
I don't know.
It shifts person.
He alleges that George H.W. Bush signed a law that, quote, forces the American people to be bound by a set of monstrous rules called the Noahide laws.
Rules that make the belief in Jesus Christ a crime punishment.
Do we even have those?
Okay.
Stay with me.
You see, hidden in that bill, they had new laws that make it totally cool to kill Christians just for being Christian.
But of course, that would never pass if it were voted on by the House.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
unidentified
No, I would hope.
dan friesen
But I think we're about to hear a very familiar story.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Quote, on the day this resolution was...
jordan holmes
No, three people did not fucking do the Fed.
dan friesen
I promise you it's not that.
Okay.
Quote, on the day this resolution was passed, passed in quotes, the entire membership of the House of Representatives had already been dismissed after having been told that the day's work, including the voting, was over.
We could all go home.
It was then, after virtually all the members had left, that the traitorous authors of this resolution brought it up for a vote on the House floor with only four hand-picked members.
unidentified
There we go.
All right, all right.
jordan holmes
Whoa, whoa.
I am sorry.
dan friesen
I told you it was a three.
jordan holmes
My bad, my bad.
unidentified
Four.
jordan holmes
My bad.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
So...
dan friesen
This bill eventually became Public Law 102-14, and it is true that there's not a vote total recorded for it, but that's just probably because it passed without objection.
That doesn't mean that four people voted on it and they just said good enough.
I mean, for one, the bill had 225 co-sponsors.
So you'd assume that kind of bill would never actually come to a vote.
There are only 435 members of the House, so if a bill has 225 co-sponsors, it's never not going to pass.
jordan holmes
I don't understand.
What if there is a surprise twist at the end?
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Why not do some professional wrestling shit and just come down and be like...
dan friesen
Right.
William Dannemeyer comes down and just starts giving out all the congresspeople stunners.
jordan holmes
Yeah, why not?
dan friesen
Dannemeyer has parted the Red Sea!
Anyway, back to Crazy William's chain email.
jordan holmes
Yeah, sure.
dan friesen
His argument is that because Rabbi Schneerson's organization follows the seven Noahide laws, and this resolution recognizes them and calls for the world to return to the ethics promoted by those laws, which I should point out is a meaningless symbolic thing to be in there as language, the U.S. is now under these Jewish laws, and the punishment for breaking any of these laws is decapitation.
One problem with this is that it's stupid.
Another is that no historical source exists that contains an instance of a non-Jew being executed for breaking Noahide laws.
So it's kind of stupid.
jordan holmes
Do these people just believe in...
I mean, no, they do, of course.
They all just believe in magic.
Y 'all just believe in magic.
In narrative magic that makes sense so long as magic is real.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
There's no way that you could possibly think that the government could just sneak in mass murder with no consequence.
dan friesen
Right.
unidentified
Totally.
jordan holmes
Or even if they did it one time.
Maybe they did sneak it in there and they did it one time and everybody was like, whoa, whoa, whoa.
That was legal?
We're going to have to revisit this.
It's not like Congress would be like, eh, we can't go back anymore.
dan friesen
I would say that what William Dannemeyer should do is test his theory by killing a Christian for being Christian and seeing how that goes for him.
jordan holmes
It seems like it would work easily because he's protected under the law.
dan friesen
Public law 102-14 says that we're under Noahide laws.
jordan holmes
Okay, now I understand he can't do it because, of course, we're under Noahide laws.
dan friesen
Well, he could convert to Judaism and then...
jordan holmes
Maybe he just needs people to kill him.
dan friesen
No, he's already died now.
He's passed away.
So if you read the seven Noahide laws, it's basically very similar to the Ten Commandments.
And William's big beef seems to be that the Ten Commandments were written by God, whereas these seven were written by humans.
He explicitly says that that is a problem.
jordan holmes
He explicitly says that that's a problem.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Boy, I really don't want him to learn about all kinds of stuff.
dan friesen
This is an argument being made by a member of Congress in the 90s.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
The bar has always been low.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Oh, no, no.
Absolutely.
dan friesen
At this point, things go a little bit off the rails for Crazy William.
jordan holmes
Oh, at this point?
dan friesen
Yes.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Quote, Jews who, by their financial contributions to members of Congress, claim they control what Congress will or will not do.
A look at the recent history of U.S. politics confirms this.
No American should underestimate the ferocity of the commitment of the Zionist Jews to control the entire political system of the world through the one-world government now being created.
Weird.
Huh.
That kind of sounds like what Google whistleblower Zach Voorhees...
Please, please.
jordan holmes
All right, I'm going to need you to rewrite that sentence one more time.
Again, run-on sentences are a good stylistic thing sometimes, but Mr. Noah...
Oh, I almost said Noahide.
unidentified
Oh, I'm going to kill you because it's fine if you're a Christian or whatever.
dan friesen
This is protocol shit, man.
It's anti-Semitic garbage, but a nefarious Jewish plot to take over the world and destroy Christianity.
So if you're keeping score, the Clinton body count story is the product of that guy and a lady who declared herself lawyer of a fake universal militia and decided she wanted to arrest Congress.
Over the years, periodically, people have debunked the specific people included on that list.
But it doesn't matter.
They debunk the idea that these are suspicious deaths.
I'm all for Google, not suggesting this as a search result that you might be looking for, because it's bullshit.
It's a path down a radicalizing road.
And I think that it is a responsible thing for society to recognize things like that.
And be like, well, you can look for it.
But we're not going to help you find it.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Same thing with, like, YouTube's algorithm has led so many people into those rabbit holes.
dan friesen
Right.
And if you type, like, Holocaust into Google, didn't happen, doesn't pop up.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
You know, things like that are entry points down a really bad road, and you don't need to help people go down those roads.
That's my position on it.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
I assume Holocaust...
dan friesen
If you think that I'm some sort of anti-free speech guy for that...
jordan holmes
I never thought that I would see this day, Dan.
The day that you gave up on Holocaust, did it happen?
dan friesen
I'm not mad that if you type in Alex Jones, the suggestion isn't killed his dog.
And even if, let's say, we started to really try and make a move, posted a bunch of content about it, really pushed a hashtag.
jordan holmes
Just SEO'd the fuck out of it.
dan friesen
Right.
unidentified
Even if you did that.
dan friesen
And then Google was like, you don't have any evidence that he killed his dog.
We're going to eliminate that from search.
I wouldn't be like, wow, that's censorship.
Of course.
Yeah.
unidentified
Of course, get that out of there.
jordan holmes
I'm mad it took you this long.
unidentified
We were fucking with you the whole time!
dan friesen
So, I don't know.
Anyway, Zach refines his idea about this, about the elimination of the Clinton body count thing.
And he makes his point a little clearer in this next clip.
zach vorhies
That information is out there.
It's been cataloged.
People were able to find it.
But what was happening is that when people would go and try to type in Hillary Clinton body count, the Google search prediction was shut off.
And the thing is, is that if you went and searched for, example, Trump body count, that search result prediction was suggested to the user.
dan friesen
But part of that is because there hasn't been a 26-year-long fraudulent propaganda campaign against Trump based on a body count.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So they're completely unanalogous situations.
If there were, like let's say for 26 years, people had been putting forth this bullshit list of people near Trump who had died.
Who they're like, maybe he did it!
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
dan friesen
Then I would be like, yes, absolutely, that should not be in the suggested search results.
If it were, like, if in those circumstances it were and Hillary's weren't, then he's got a good argument.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But they're completely different things.
unidentified
So...
jordan holmes
Yeah, fuck off.
That is...
dan friesen
But it's just an indication of how dumb this guy is.
jordan holmes
That's so pathetic.
I don't like it.
I like it when we're dealing with the evil.
On the stupid evil continuum, this is just really stupid.
This is too stupid.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
This is so stupid that you're evil.
Like, that's such a bummer.
dan friesen
It's very stupid.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Zach is trying to have Alex bring up his Medium page, like his blog.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Because he's got information on there.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And this made me...
jordan holmes
Not getting a lot of claps, Zach.
dan friesen
This made me laugh pretty hard.
Because I know what Alex is doing.
But Zach doesn't.
alex jones
We're back in two minutes.
Continue, and we'll go to the phone calls.
As you walk through this, hey, this great guy, Zach Bore, he just showed up today.
He's, like, doing all these presentations, so it's powerful.
He'll be back tomorrow, too.
We'll be more prepared.
You've got to come in here an hour before the show and tell them exactly what you want.
The crew's great.
If you give everything you want, they'll have it.
It's like medium.
Lock this out.
That's why we weren't able to show up to the medium version.
jordan holmes
Ah, too bad.
alex jones
It's okay, but we got it on InfoWars.com.
We'll be right back.
Hour number four, straight ahead.
dan friesen
Do you understand what happened?
jordan holmes
Oh, that was beautiful.
dan friesen
Do you understand what he's doing?
jordan holmes
Oh, that was beautiful.
No, no, no.
We're not going to link to your page.
dan friesen
No, no, no, no, no.
jordan holmes
But you can come to Infowars.com.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
We're not driving traffic to you.
jordan holmes
We'll take you all over there.
Well, everybody, we're going to put up a link to your site on Infowars.com.
dan friesen
We love your information, but if it isn't bringing in people to my very desperate...
jordan holmes
Get the fuck out of here, Google.
Douchebag.
dan friesen
It's so transparent.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Ridiculous.
So Alex also has a sale going on.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
There's a new sale.
The Save InfoWars sale has ended.
jordan holmes
Right.
unidentified
The InfoWars Saves You sale has begun.
dan friesen
The Banniversary sale was after that.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And now we have the America Awakens sale.
jordan holmes
Right.
1488 2.0.
dan friesen
Alex, I didn't get a clip of this.
I wish I had.
But Alex explains it.
And it's just basically all the same specials.
But he's like, it's not on everything.
It's just on some stuff.
So it's a worse special.
unidentified
Whoa!
It's not a special.
jordan holmes
We can't afford to do that special anymore.
So this one's slightly less special.
dan friesen
Well, some things aren't included in it.
It's the same 50-60% off free shipping and double Patriot points.
unidentified
Right, right.
dan friesen
Just not on some things.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
It's like, wow.
You're really selling this new special, but it's just a decreasing of the sale.
jordan holmes
I like turning that into a positive.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Alex goes to commercial, and he comes back, and they play a compilation of him talking about how Silicon Valley people are on drugs.
Right.
jordan holmes
While Zach is right next to him?
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Okay, good.
dan friesen
I don't know what they were doing during the break or when this special report is playing, but I have this minute-long clip here, and mic down for this, because I need you to pay close attention and recognize that I didn't make this compilation.
jordan holmes
They did.
dan friesen
This sounds like a parody.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
This sounds like something somebody would make if they were making fun of Alex.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
You know when somebody's on drugs.
You know, they admit Silicon Valley is into hardcore speed and hallucinogens.
They're taking IV drips at work of DMT.
They're taking LSD microdoses and acilocybin mushrooms and peyote every day.
Who in the hell would want to join with these people?
I've seen people take like three hits of acid.
Their eyes aren't that big.
What the hell are they on?
And one of the crew members said maybe they've already got this whole Neuralink virus hooks in their brain because as PKD pointed out, Philip K. Dick back in the 70s, the cyberpunk future.
It's where you can get any type of pleasure you want, just plug in, but no one wants to even get up or eat for weeks or days.
You just die because you just plug all this in, and it's the Matrix.
And now the Matrix is here, and you look at Tim Cook or Elon Musk or any of his executives when they're up there on that stage, they'll be under white lights.
Their pupils are 90% open.
Zuckerberg, all of them, these people either have brain chips, that's it.
These guys are wireheads.
Something's going on.
I'm in here underneath bright lights.
And my pupils are very little.
Now, zoom in if you can.
My pupils are tiny because I'm not on drugs.
I've had two cups of coffee today.
So here, let me show you my pupils, okay?
dan friesen
This is crazy.
jordan holmes
That sounds exactly like a guy who is incredibly high!
unidentified
Yeah!
dan friesen
Also, citing Philip K. Dick.
unidentified
Yeah!
dan friesen
That dude was on a lot of drugs.
jordan holmes
Oh, man, I'll tell you what's going on, man.
I'll tell you what's fucking going on.
They're all doing drugs.
Look at my pupils.
My pupils are fine.
I've only had two cups of coffee.
Two cups of coffee.
unidentified
That's it.
jordan holmes
That's all I fucking have.
Nothing.
unidentified
They're maybe not all drugs.
dan friesen
Maybe they're wireheads.
jordan holmes
Yeah, maybe they're high.
dan friesen
Maybe they've got brain chips.
jordan holmes
Oh, they're all dying.
dan friesen
I mean, I listened to that and I was like...
Is someone inside fucking with him?
jordan holmes
Somebody's fucking with us.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I thought that was hilarious.
jordan holmes
That's incredible.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's either Alex leaning into a recognition that these are the only kinds of things that get attention for him outside of his already established audience.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Like these memes that are kind of making fun of him.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And maybe he's trying to lean into that and like, oh, people will laugh at me for this.
Maybe it'll get me some traffic.
I'm not sure.
But whatever it is, it's sad.
It makes me very sad.
jordan holmes
Man, if that's done with the straight face, they should really, really rethink everything about themselves.
Holy shit.
How are they doing in Hong Kong right now?
dan friesen
No, no.
They do check back in, but it's again like another 20-second thing.
That's fantastic.
It may have 20 seconds, but it's very short, and there's not really any...
Certainly no exclusives.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
And yeah, just sort of leave it alone.
Also, I should point out...
I have not cut out, like, mentions of Trump's shit.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
He just has not brought it up.
unidentified
Nothing.
jordan holmes
Nothing.
dan friesen
Not a single mention.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I like it.
But he does declare that it's time to start arresting people.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
They're moving.
They're not giving up.
So what do you do in a crisis like that?
I think it's a national security issue.
As Peter Thiel has said, they're in bed with China.
So is Apple.
I think you have to arrest the leadership.
Or let them steal the election.
And they've got the Washington Post saying China will crush Trump.
Hi, I'm Dan Pilla.
I started fighting the IRS over 40 years ago when they...
dan friesen
Great timing.
So yeah, he wants tech executives arrested unilaterally, and he's citing this Washington Post opinion.
jordan holmes
However you gotta get there, I'm fine with that.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
I'm cool with that.
dan friesen
I'm not?
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Which one?
Not arrest of everybody?
jordan holmes
No, no.
dan friesen
Like a purge?
jordan holmes
Eh, they probably have it coming.
dan friesen
Well, that remains to be seen.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So I think Zach is dumb, and I think I've made some decent arguments to that extent.
jordan holmes
I think history will bear you out, yeah.
dan friesen
I think he's also crazy.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
As indicated by this next clip.
zach vorhies
You'll see a lot of politicians, a lot of people, like, open their eyes and just continue to talk, and it's a good technique in order to deceive, like, people.
Like, I'm kind of doing it, like, right now.
alex jones
Look at camera four.
It's over there.
zach vorhies
Camera four.
Okay, so, you know, if I'm wanting to tell you a lie, then I'm going to open up my eyes real wide, and I'm just going to talk to you, and you're going to get locked into a trance.
And one of the key things is that you don't want to blink.
dan friesen
So he's trying to hypnotize the audience by staring into the camera.
This is silly.
jordan holmes
Okay, okay.
dan friesen
Now what you do is you open up your eyes and you don't stop talking.
Jordan, look at me.
unidentified
I'm talking to you.
dan friesen
You're in a trance.
jordan holmes
It is a pleasure to meet you, President Mesmer.
Well, you got me.
You got me.
dan friesen
That's...
A weird angle, or a direction for this show to go in.
Right.
Where the two of them have failed to demonstrate to a critical observer in any way.
jordan holmes
You weren't listening to the parts where they did it, okay?
dan friesen
I was listening.
jordan holmes
You would have been listening, but you were hypnotized, Dan.
dan friesen
Oh, that might have been it.
jordan holmes
Duh.
dan friesen
So they get into talking about fluoride being bad for you, which has to do with Google, for sure.
Oh, I guess they kind of jumped onto this because they're saying that Google is blocking, like, real health information, which I assume is somehow some sort of a defense of Mike Adams.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
Why not?
dan friesen
Whatever.
jordan holmes
Throw all your lies in there at once.
Make it a nice big stew.
dan friesen
Yeah, so Google's blocking Mike Adams, and they get onto real health information, and then they talk about...
Zach brings up a study about fluoride that he thinks is real good stuff.
zach vorhies
And there's a lot of research.
Internationally showing that fluoride lowers the IQ of particularly males.
And now it's like, okay, well, I think the Journal of Pediatrics or something similar to that released a study saying that, yeah, for each milligram of fluoride found in the pregnant mom's urine, it lowered the IQ by a certain amount.
And they tested this and they found that it was true.
And it's like, duh, this happens in every single animal.
dan friesen
So, first thing to point out, it's clear that Zach has not really read this study or dug into it.
jordan holmes
No, it sounds like he read it all.
It sounds like he read it from start to finish.
dan friesen
A certain amount of IQ or something.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no.
dan friesen
As best as I can tell, I think he just heard that there was a study that involved IQ, fluoride, and P, and it was just bluffing the rest.
I'm guessing that's what's happening.
So this is a study that was published in the Journal of the American Medical Association Pediatrics.
And it's important to point out that it's very, very explicit in the study that this is no way a demonstration of a causal link between consumption of fluoride during pregnancy and lowered IQ of the child.
All it does is indicate a possible association.
Now, a couple problems with this study that aren't actually problems with the study, but they're problems for the conclusion that Alex and Zach are derived.
The first is that only 85.2% of the parent-child pairs had urine analysis done to actually solidify what their fluoride levels were.
For a lot of the rest of the data, they used questionnaires and made estimates based on the level of fluoride in the water in a given city.
And the study even says, quote, for this study, we developed methods to estimate and calculate fluoride.
jordan holmes
So they didn't, like, compare those methods results with, say, the actual results?
dan friesen
They did!
There was some indications of between the urine tests and the questionnaires and estimates that they ran similar.
jordan holmes
Okay, that's good.
dan friesen
Which is good.
jordan holmes
No, that is good.
dan friesen
That is good.
But also, these methods have not been validated by their own language.
These methods have not been validated.
And they may eventually be validated.
But at this point, a line like that needs to cause pause.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Right, right, right.
In your system would be.
The study also explicitly says, quote, this observational study design could not address the possibility of other unmeasured residual confounding, which is to say that there are a ton of factors they couldn't control for that might have influenced the results.
This isn't a knock on the study in any way, since the conclusion is just that the observational study found a possible association in It should and could be studied more.
The problem is when people like Alex and Zach take the study like this and over-exaggerate its conclusion as proof that low amounts of fluoride lower IQ.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
He's saying that taking fluoride caused it.
jordan holmes
They concluded and they discovered and they proved it.
dan friesen
Yeah, which is not true.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
You can have conversations about all this stuff.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
You just can't lie about it, which is what they're doing.
jordan holmes
Yes, exactly.
dan friesen
Now, the final problem is that the IQ tests for the children were given when they were between the ages of three and four.
While it's certainly not unheard of as a thing to do, I've found a number of resources that caution against IQ testing children this young.
The children may not be able to focus on the test adequately, and that can produce an unreliable result.
Plus, there are tons of examples of people's IQ fluctuating quite a bit over the years.
They say that tests are supposed to be designed to produce a consistent result within plus or minus five points, but that's not always the case.
And the younger the child is when they're tested, the more likely it is that they're going to get an unreliable test result.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Issues with what we're putting forth and why we can't make a determinative conclusion.
Right.
jordan holmes
We're not trying to prove anything.
We're trying to get almost like a divining rod out there that's going to say, this area is going to narrow down what we should be studying on it.
As opposed to, we're trying to prove that fluoride does anything.
We're simply trying to factor in as many variables as we possibly can to...
Point to whether or not we do need to study more of this.
dan friesen
Well, if this study is followed up on and people do more studies that control for the variables that were uncontrolled in this, and you do find some indication that there is a link between fluoride and diminished IQ in children, then...
unidentified
Cool!
jordan holmes
Then you learn something.
You prove something, and now we can control for that.
dan friesen
Right, and that's fine.
That's just not established.
unidentified
Nope.
dan friesen
So anyway, we're done with the 21st.
Zach, go to hell.
jordan holmes
Zach was a hero.
dan friesen
Absolutely.
jordan holmes
Zach, the MVP of this episode.
dan friesen
Sure.
So we didn't get any talk about Trump being the chosen one, which again is because it probably happened while Alex was on air and he doesn't care about anything.
We didn't get any talk about the Jews being disloyal.
We didn't get any talk about the...
Second coming of God kind of shit.
jordan holmes
We got more talk from people in Hong Kong who weren't allowed to speak.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
dan friesen
So we get into Thursday, the 22nd, and Alex jumps into the show and makes up for it.
But finally, I think he realized, like, I can probably ignore the Jews are disloyal thing.
I could probably ignore that.
jordan holmes
Chosen one shit you can't ignore.
You gotta confront the chosen one.
Even Eddie Murphy knows that.
alex jones
Trump is our champion.
Trump is delivering.
And what you just heard is the truth.
It's so refreshing to hear a statesman in office telling it like it is and straight shooting.
73 years old.
Never seen anything like it.
The precision, the commitment.
Yes, Trump is the chosen one.
We're all chosen to fulfill our destinies if we choose to.
Take those destinies in our hands.
Trump is delivering the country out of the globalist bondage, and they're fighting like the devil to keep their entire system in place right now.
dan friesen
Good take.
Good take, Alex.
jordan holmes
All right.
I'm going to give it to him.
Just like I would the Somali pirates.
Turning Trump saying that he's the chosen one into it's good to finally see a statesman in office telling it like it is.
That is mental gymnastics Simone Biles could never touch.
dan friesen
Well, but again, it's like I was referencing at the beginning of the show.
An argument could be made that you're saying I'm the chosen one to take on China.
But that has to eliminate all prior context.
It has to take out of context the fact that he Put his hands out and looked up to the sky while saying, I'm the chosen one.
There's too much surrounding this to allow that kind of a dodge.
And I'm not going to allow Alex to make that dodge.
jordan holmes
Good God, no.
That's sad.
That's sad and hilarious.
dan friesen
So then Alex gets into the dual loyalty idea.
alex jones
Here we go.
dan friesen
And this isn't good.
jordan holmes
Let's devil down.
dan friesen
This isn't good either.
alex jones
And so Trump says, man.
These Jews sure are betraying Israel.
Working with people like Tlaib and everybody that literally want to blow it off the face of the earth.
And they've turned that around.
Did you hear the anti-Semitic statement?
So, support for Israel and its existence is now anti-Semitic.
This is upside-down world.
And you've got the extreme right and the extreme left that are really the same people.
jordan holmes
Uh-huh.
Uh-huh.
alex jones
Obsessing over Israel constantly and applying mythical leprechaun powers to Israel and then acting like Netanyahu runs the world.
Meanwhile, it's the Rothschilds, who are globalist leftists, Jews, who are now trying to overthrow Netanyahu.
unidentified
What?
alex jones
I mean, you cannot make this show.
jordan holmes
Yes, you can!
dan friesen
It's not Netanyahu and Israel.
It's not those Jews.
It's the other Jews.
jordan holmes
People ascribe mythical powers to guys like Netanyahu saying they run the world.
That's stupid.
They should be ascribing mythical powers to the fucking Rothschilds.
dan friesen
Who are liberal Jews.
jordan holmes
Jesus.
Holy shit.
We're gonna die.
dan friesen
We're just all gonna die.
This is so nuts.
jordan holmes
This is insane.
Brian Kilmeade's going to say this tomorrow.
dan friesen
So I think you can get the sense of what's going on, is that Alex has to paint the idea that Tlaib is advocating for the end of Israel, calling for its destruction, as opposed to critiquing the government being horribly repressive against the Palestinians.
jordan holmes
While at the same time turning that into jangly keys so you don't stop and think too hard about...
Wait, did Trump say he was the chosen one?
dan friesen
Totally.
You need to attack her in order to cover for the fucked up...
Things Trump did.
Don't talk about Trump stuff.
We got this What About?
jordan holmes
He is the chosen one in the same way we are all the chosen one.
Anyways, did you know that liberals are actually eating your baby's faces right now?
Are you looking at your baby's face?
Because an invisible liberal is eating it right now.
dan friesen
Sure.
So, in order to achieve his ends, Alex has to get really fucking mad about Rashida Tlaib's press conference.
Rashida and Ilhan Omar came out and...
Talked about the not being allowed to go on their fact-finding mission.
unidentified
Of course.
jordan holmes
Because Israel's great.
dan friesen
Alex is like, get ready.
This is really bad.
The way Alex carries himself is...
I mean, I don't know how else to say it.
It's really, really bad.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
And I'm sick of it.
And the same playbook being run against Israel about open your borders, let everybody in to have free stuff, is being run against us.
You know, I sat there in the break room.
What was it?
Monday.
And with my mouth hanging open during that press conference with the four horsemen of the Democratic apocalypse, crying and whining and, oh, my mother needed a hospital.
She was in Palestine, or my grandmother, and they wouldn't let her in for free health care.
So you want to blow the country up.
But it's got to give you some free stuff.
But then in your wonderful Palestinian place, you can't even put two and two together, and you basically live in a dictatorship.
dan friesen
So, I watched the speech that she gave, and I didn't hear her say that free healthcare was...
jordan holmes
Verbatim.
dan friesen
I didn't hear that.
I want Israel to take in my grandmother so she gets free things.
jordan holmes
You weren't listening.
dan friesen
Oh, okay.
And I didn't hear any call to blow up Israel.
I don't think that the people who are...
jordan holmes
That's because she widened her eyes a little bit and looked directly into the camera.
unidentified
Duh!
dan friesen
I have some missing time.
unidentified
Duh!
dan friesen
Oh, no.
jordan holmes
Duh!
It's like contact.
You're the Jodie Foster of this little experiment here.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Alex is invalidating arguments surrounding Palestinian rights.
Absolutely.
100%.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
But he goes further in this next clip and basically invalidates their existence.
alex jones
And then Saudi Arabia won't take one of you in.
And Jordan won't take you in.
And Egypt won't take you in.
And why is that?
Because every time...
You look at who's starting these rebellions and these attacks, it's Palestinians.
Because they don't even exist, folks.
They're just people that migrated into that area and want to take it over.
It's a made-up thing.
And so everybody's tried to bully me to attack Israel and tried to bully me.
No, I'm going to support Israel now more because you tell me I can't.
dan friesen
That's so childish.
That is incredibly...
So, for the record, the Palestinian diaspora extends to many countries that Alex is pretending don't allow in any Palestinians.
He's just making shit up to support his own xenophobic and completely racist worldview.
Alex's argument that Palestinians aren't even a real thing is a shameful display of rhetoric that leads very easily to dehumanization and exterminationist arguments.
And it's not something I'm even going to dignify.
That is insane.
That is literally insane.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So in this next clip, Alex insists that Rashida is fake crying while she's talking about, this is just bad.
This is real bad.
alex jones
And I've got all these subjects to get into, but I've got a lot of news out of Israel.
But I just think about Tlaib talking about her grandmother.
I never got to the clip.
We're going to play it later.
And she's crying, and it's so fake.
And Israel's just a way to see this picture.
A Rosetta Stone, a skeleton key, as I call it.
Because it's the left.
Their religion is that they're victims.
It's like all these people that attempt suicide constantly for attention.
dan friesen
What?
alex jones
It's one thing if you've got bone cancer and you're in incredible pain and you don't want to spend all your family's money on it and don't want to go through all the pain.
You shove a gun in your mouth and blow your head off.
Hey, that's your life.
I don't judge you.
I understand that.
But all these people that constantly are attempting suicide and constantly whining about what victims they are, and I look at the four horsemen.
These parasites that hate America and tell us how bad we are all day and then fetishize saying Israel shouldn't exist.
And then when Israel doesn't let her in, she whines and cries about her grandmother and how her grandmother deserves all this free health care that she thinks is in Israel.
And again, Israel is just a microcosm of all of this.
unidentified
What?
alex jones
And the point is, there's a fight over who controls Israel.
jordan holmes
That was the point?
alex jones
There's a fight over who controls America.
There's a fight over who controls Europe.
And it's not a fight between Germans and Jews or between Mexicans and Russians or between Chinese and Japanese.
It's a fight between evil and good.
In your family, it's a fight between good and evil.
jordan holmes
What?
alex jones
In your relationships, in your business, in your life, at your church, there's a struggle in the universe between good and evil.
dan friesen
If you people don't agree with my crazy bullshit that I'm spreading, they're evil.
jordan holmes
You're evil.
dan friesen
Now, also, I mean, just all this stuff aside, like, there's some comedy in the fact that Alex is talking about, like, demeaning people who struggle with suicidal inclinations, like, just want attention, and then describing that to being what the behavior of the Democrats are when you had fucking Count Dankula on your show.
Wait.
Carpe Donctum on your show.
jordan holmes
They're the same party!
dan friesen
I don't care!
We have Carpe Donctum on talking about his link to copyrighted material that he stole being blocked.
jordan holmes
He's a victim.
dan friesen
Right, this whole thing is like...
jordan holmes
Absolute victim.
dan friesen
This is pathetic.
jordan holmes
But he's a real victim, Dan.
And we're the libs and we're just trying to steal victimhood.
dan friesen
From people like Carpe Donctum who deserve...
jordan holmes
The donk is getting...
Ronked?
dan friesen
Yeah.
I mean...
I don't even know where to begin.
We could begin with him calling these people parasites.
jordan holmes
No, I mean...
dan friesen
It's almost like a lot of this stuff is, I feel like, presenting with minimal commentary.
Except where necessary.
Because this is just horrible shit that Alex is putting forth.
And he needs to because of how horrible the things Trump's.
No, I can't.
jordan holmes
No, we don't even need to.
No, no, no.
It's a really short walk from, I think, apartheid's bad to...
They're not even people.
Did you think about that?
Did you think maybe they weren't even real, Dan?
It's like that combination of his worldview being only able to see through his eyes.
So he's always...
He doesn't understand a good faith argument.
He doesn't understand that they could be real crying because he can't real cry.
You know, he can only fake cry.
dan friesen
It's always performative for him, therefore it must be for everybody else.
jordan holmes
And then there's also that, like, man, this is...
This Trump shit is way too wild.
I don't even know what to do other than invalidating entire people.
dan friesen
I think part of it is he feels he has to do that because he knows he's also going to validate Trump's shit.
And in order to do that, you have to have something to...
I guess this would be the equivalent of, like, white supremacist sugar to help the medicine go down.
Now we're recognizing Trump as God appointed.
jordan holmes
As the Messiah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Which he does in this next clip.
jordan holmes
Okay, great.
alex jones
And Trump says in his whole talk, I'm the...
Chosen one.
I got elected.
He looks up, and it's true.
I mean, obviously, we're all chosen for what we do if we take the path.
God gives us a path.
The devil gives us another.
Of course, Trump's chosen.
It's a phenomenon, and everybody can see it and smell it.
And the devil and the enemies, the little snakes, they can't stand it.
Let's go out to break with the president talking about being the chosen one and acknowledging God, that God chose to put him in that position.
Against the enemy's whole operation.
That is God.
dan friesen
That's really fucked up.
And he's a coward, the way he's presenting this.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
Oh, yeah.
jordan holmes
A little.
A little bit.
dan friesen
Can you imagine if during the ACA negotiations, Obama was like, God chose me to help give everyone health care.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Can you imagine?
Alex would make the same arguments that he was already making, but it would be based on something Obama had said.
Alex accused him of being messianic.
That's crazy.
This is so disgraceful.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, this is...
G-Dubs did the same shit, though.
Like, he didn't go, I'm the chosen one, but he did go...
He did have the whole, like, God put me in office to make sure that we bombed Iraq for the rest of our fucking lives.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And I think that there was an acceptable, and I put that in quotes, like a socially acceptable version of having a belief in a purpose.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
As opposed to straight up messiah.
dan friesen
We had a societal understanding of the lengths that you can use that.
And George Bush probably was on the wrong side of that line.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
dan friesen
But, you know, like, hey, you know, God put me on this earth to make this podcast.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
That's kind of within the acceptable realm of...
jordan holmes
Because we're living in a metaphor as opposed to a delusion of grandeur.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I wouldn't say that I'm the chosen...
And especially when you're the quote-unquote leader of the free world as opposed to saying that I run a carpentry business or I'm a good father or I run a podcast.
jordan holmes
Let me put it to you this way.
I would not declare myself the chosen one, even though in the cult I was literally the chosen one.
dan friesen
Oh yeah, there is that.
You have some history.
jordan holmes
I'm the only one who literally has chosen one written on his fucking name, and I'm still not doing it.
dan friesen
Yeah, you have some experience in this territory.
jordan holmes
I've been the chosen one for my whole life, Dan.
Trump is just jumping on a mind-bagging wagon.
Come on!
dan friesen
So Alex gets back to attacking the squad in this next clip.
jordan holmes
The four horsemen of the apocalypse.
dan friesen
Apocalypse.
alex jones
And then you see Tlaib, the leader of the fantastic Rat Pack.
dan friesen
Whoa, man.
That fell apart.
And I love how he can claim that each one is the leader whenever it serves its purpose.
It's so great.
jordan holmes
AOC's been in the background for a while, so Trump is like, she's jealous of attention.
You're all fucking stupid.
dan friesen
Also, the Rat Pack were like...
Groundbreaking entertainment figures.
alex jones
The rats that have left their sinking ships and then come here to perch and bitch and tell us how much we suck all day so they can be victims and get more goodies.
That's why you can't run your own countries because no one wants to build anything.
You just want to run around killing each other because everybody has a right to rule instead of build.
unidentified
What?
alex jones
And then we're told by these fallen, twisted individuals.
That we suck and we're bad because they know we've got those buttons to push.
And then we'll then grovel to them.
dan friesen
Oh, I see.
That's how it goes.
jordan holmes
Is that how it goes?
dan friesen
So Rashida Tlaib, she is a Palestinian-American, but she was born in fucking Detroit.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
AOC was born in...
jordan holmes
So she should go back to her country and tell them how to run it.
dan friesen
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez was born in New York.
Presley was born in Cincinnati.
And Omar came here as a refugee when she was like 10 years old and is a citizen.
jordan holmes
See?
Then everything's fine.
dan friesen
Alex is explicitly invalidating the Americanness of these women because they are people he sees as non-white who disagree with him, which is something he can't tolerate.
Three of them were born here and the other's a citizen.
So when he tells them that they should be making their own countries better, that's exactly what they're trying to do in Congress.
jordan holmes
Don't think too hard about it.
dan friesen
Alex experiences that as an attack because there's a lot of problems that they're trying to address and bringing up about the country that revolve around the ideas of entrenched power hierarchies, which Alex will desperately cling to no matter what the cost.
Then that idea that he's bringing up to this idea of like...
They know that we have feelings.
We have empathy that they're trying to exploit.
I mean, can't you easily imagine him saying the exact same thing during the end of slavery?
jordan holmes
Yeah, oh, absolutely.
dan friesen
Like, oh, yay!
Oh, yay!
You're saying that these people are whipped and beaten and worked on the fields, but all you're doing is trying to appeal to my...
Good, noble, white human emotions.
jordan holmes
I don't want...
Look, look, this is God.
Have you not read the Bible?
unidentified
The Bible says that we have to keep them where they are because that's where they belong.
jordan holmes
Look.
I have just as much of a bleeding heart as any of you.
What do you guys call yourselves?
dan friesen
But that's why I want to maintain slavery.
Of course!
Because it's in their best interest.
jordan holmes
Exactly!
That's because I'm so empathetic.
I have to whip them.
dan friesen
In the civil rights era, you could imagine Alex being like, oh, sure, you know, there's...
jordan holmes
They want to have me and my friends hose them down so I'll feel bad for them.
It's all their idea.
dan friesen
Or the angle on that would be like, yeah, you're showing these pictures of people being hosed, but that's just to tug at my heartstrings.
Right, right.
I'm trying to exploit my good white empathy mechanisms in order to override whatever.
I mean, this is just classic bullshit.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So this next clip is unhinged.
It's disgusting.
And it's Alex trying to go over the press conference itself.
alex jones
The whole Middle East used to be Christian until Muhammad showed up.
And then now you killed all the Christians and ran them out, and I'm supposed to kiss your butt, lady.
I'm not doing it.
It's you that ought to pay reparations.
unidentified
What?
alex jones
You want to say that if any white people ever own slaves, the Muslims still run slave trade, you wicked whore.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
alex jones
God, oh, my.
That's insulting whores.
I apologize to prostitutes.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
alex jones
Let's play this maggot, this engorged maggot, bitching and complaining, a psychopath, a sociopath, bare minimum, trying to punch our buttons because we have emotions, you big, fat demon.
Here she is.
unidentified
A young girl visiting Palestine to see my grandparents and extended family.
I watched as my mother had to go through dehumanizing checkpoints.
alex jones
How about dehumanizing suicide bombs?
unidentified
I was a state citizen and proud American.
I was there when my city was in a terrible car accident, and my cousins and I cried so she could have access to the best hospitals, which were in Jerusalem.
I remember shaking with fear when checkpoints appeared in the small village of Bet Orelfoca.
alex jones
Oh, hit pause for a minute.
Because they got a raw feed.
When I was watching on Fox, it showed all the lunatic women up there, all these crazy leftist women that look like starving chicken-necked birds or like something out of a Dr. Seuss children's book.
And they're all crying and putting on this big act.
dan friesen
So Alex has to interrupt there because she's getting into territory that's very close to a lot of his old rhetoric.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
The idea of checkpoints and, oh, I don't know.
Government oppression of people.
Like, that's the stuff that he's railed on for years.
He can't allow that sort of thing to be presented on his show by someone who he is deeming a maggot and a parasite and all this because it's way too close to his lane.
And you run the risk of listeners hearing her express this sentiment and then think, huh.
jordan holmes
I think I'm against checkpoints, right?
I remember vaguely being against checkpoints.
dan friesen
Now, what she's describing is exactly the sort of tyranny that my hero, Alex Jones, has been screaming about.
Wait.
Wait a second.
unidentified
Hold on.
jordan holmes
So Rashida is saying that there was a government that was oppressing her, a minority of people, through tyrannical tactics.
Checkpoints and constant oppression.
And I'm...
And she's a bad guy?
dan friesen
Yes.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
jordan holmes
Well, then never mind.
dan friesen
That's what's being...
I think that Alex recognizes that there is a danger in presenting this without interruption, without pre-priming the pump in terms of how evil...
He thinks Rashida is.
And it's a disgusting display.
jordan holmes
It's like when a sommelier is going through the list of things that you're supposed to taste in a way to influence you to actually taste those.
So Alex is screaming about how she's a maggot and all of the other bullshit so you can see...
Instead of a human being expressing the very tyrannical government that you're supposed to be against, acting against her, instead you see a flaming demon monster tugging upon your heartstrings.
dan friesen
Right, and his arguments, too, just about, like, what about truck bombs?
Or, like, what about suicide bombs?
Like, well, okay, but your whole thing was about, like, this tyranny that's going to come to America, and your guys are going to get targeted because of...
A big bombing?
The Oklahoma City bombing?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Well, those weren't false flags.
White people didn't do it.
dan friesen
Fair enough.
jordan holmes
There you go.
dan friesen
So, in this next clip, Alex seems to be imagining that the idea that people like Tlaib and everybody else is putting forth is that Muslims have never done anything bad.
And that's not the discussion at all.
He's creating a straw man version of that in order to attack that as if that's the real position.
alex jones
Naturally.
The way it's all, oh, black and white, and oh, the Muslims, they never hurt nobody.
And I saw articles out yesterday, fact-checkers are going to stop people claiming Islam is behind terror.
Because remember, Obama said that's not Islam.
How the hell did it expand then in 1,400 years to take over half the planet?
Playing tiddlywinks?
Think it overran all those other empires and things as it was friendly?
dan friesen
You want to talk about Christian missionaries?
jordan holmes
I was going to say, hold on one second, dude.
dan friesen
You want to talk about the expansion of Christianity?
jordan holmes
How do you think?
dan friesen
I mean, even on our last episode, we were talking about the overthrow of the monarchy in Hawaii.
The missionaries were very much involved in that.
jordan holmes
Incredibly important.
dan friesen
And that's a low-bar example.
That's a smaller example of the ways in which Christianity was used in colonialism.
jordan holmes
I suppose that's also a tacit agreement that Christianity did it the same way.
dan friesen
No, he's trying to obscure that.
Christianity only spread nobly, and Muslims in Islam spread...
jordan holmes
So, once again, we're in good versus evil.
Good spreads organically throughout, and evil is Islam.
Man, this whole good versus evil thing, we should really stop it.
dan friesen
It's a clunky dichotomy.
jordan holmes
We gotta get rid of that shit.
dan friesen
So, Alex, in this next clip, I don't know, just talking shit.
alex jones
It's the same branding, the same crap, by a whiny parasite.
And I'm done bowing to you and the Democratic Party.
Let's go back to her.
unidentified
I remember visiting East Jerusalem with my then-husband and him escorted off the bus, although he was a United States citizen, just so security forces could harass him.
alex jones
Here, let's stop again.
Oh, you want to overthrow Israel, you stage all these events, and then you can't believe that when you drive in from the West Bank...
That where suicide bombers attack routinely and people are stabbed to death on a weekly basis and shot?
You can't believe anybody at their borders checking you.
Meanwhile, as a U.S. citizen, I have to have my balls grabbed because they won't profile Islamists when I go to the stupid airport because the Muslims have been hijacking aircraft for 60 damn years, witch!
I get to live in a police state because the globalists have let you run wild on purpose.
And Trump is trying to do something about it and end all these wars and stop stirring you up!
dan friesen
That's insane.
jordan holmes
Um, okay.
So, she described living in a police state.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
He agreed with the police state.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Then said that he has to live in a police state.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Because the police state isn't correctly policing.
dan friesen
I guess.
Yes.
He's mad that Muslims here aren't subject...
jordan holmes
Aren't living in a police state!
unidentified
Yes.
Basically.
jordan holmes
I think that's how you diagram that sentence, right?
dan friesen
Yeah, and I think it falls entirely in line with so much of the conditional aspect of Alex's principles.
They're only a problem when they're being applied towards the white people.
The good people of the West.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
He wishes for all of the negative things that he yells about to be applied to people unlike himself.
jordan holmes
Yes, absolutely.
dan friesen
That's not good.
So in this next clip, he attacks these women some more.
I don't know.
I mean, I could just give that as an introduction for pretty much all of these clips.
jordan holmes
Yeah, Jesus.
alex jones
Let's go back to her.
unidentified
As my city's granddaughter, as the-As the granddaughter of a woman who lives in occupied territories, to elevate her voice by exposing the truth the only way I know how.
Oh, you sure ran out of the ground.
alex jones
Oh, my gosh, it's so oppressive.
Let me into Israel.
Oh, my gosh, it's so oppressive.
Let me into America.
Go to Somalia.
Go fix your own problems.
dan friesen
Wrong person.
alex jones
With peanut head over there.
jordan holmes
Isn't...
alex jones
Ilhan Omar.
God almighty.
Her family is a rich, powerful, slaver family.
I looked it up.
jordan holmes
No, you didn't.
alex jones
Obama's Muslim family in Kenya.
Our slavers.
Did you?
They're slavers of blacks!
dan friesen
I would call on Alex to prove that in any way.
unidentified
Oh, man.
jordan holmes
Well, I believe I recall he proved that Ilhan Omar is from a slaver family because her skin color is a little bit lighter.
dan friesen
That was the evidence that he used last time.
jordan holmes
That was his evidence that he used last time.
So he has proved it.
dan friesen
That is true.
Yeah.
Omar's father was a teacher.
He taught teachers.
jordan holmes
Isn't education a form of slavery, Dan?
dan friesen
In a way, yeah.
The only evidence that I could find that backs up any claim even close to this was a Gateway Pundit article that made allegations that he was working...
With the government and had some sort of...
He was a secret terrorist.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
He was a CIA dentist, actually.
dan friesen
It didn't prove...
In any way, it didn't have any sourcing.
But Alex is probably going off of that.
unidentified
Yeah, sure.
dan friesen
This is one of those situations where there's a pretty high bar for evidence of this sort of thing.
jordan holmes
Claiming that a congressman's...
Family is entirely slavers.
dan friesen
Oh, and former president.
jordan holmes
And former president.
That's right.
dan friesen
Both people of color.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
I don't understand what bonds them together in this situation.
dan friesen
I would request that...
I feel like you could get sued for that.
Absolutely.
I do feel like what Alex is saying is actionable.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I know it's not worth anybody's time to actually sue him who has standing.
jordan holmes
Probably not anymore, yeah.
dan friesen
That is pretty crazy.
The fact that he said, I looked it up.
Where the fuck did you look that up?
unidentified
Yeah, no shit.
dan friesen
He has a responsibility to cite some sort of a source or prove this in any way, and he's failed to do so.
And as it is, that's just slander.
So, in this next clip, he declares that Rashida is an abomination, which is no good.
jordan holmes
That's really not good.
dan friesen
No, and then he goes back to the press conference.
But, if you've actually watched the actual press conference, You will know that what he's doing is intentionally misleading.
They cut out something that gives what she's saying important context.
unidentified
This woman is an abomination.
alex jones
Let's continue.
unidentified
...to participate in military occupation.
They also desperately want peace and self-determination for their Palestinian neighbors.
They could have shed light into injustice.
alex jones
You know, all the Muslims do is blow each other up.
Let's continue.
jordan holmes
Here, let's continue after that sentence.
dan friesen
At the beginning of where they started that audio, she says people forced to engage in military activities.
What's right before that, if you listen to her actual press conference, is a description of how she's going on this fact-finding mission where she's going to meet with Israeli veterans.
That's who she's referring to in that clip.
Alex deprives that of context.
jordan holmes
Muslim Israeli veterans, Dan.
alex jones
Done.
jordan holmes
Done.
dan friesen
Alex deprives that clip of context because it runs entirely counter to what the presentation of this press conference is.
jordan holmes
She's only going to Palestine and there's only Muslims at Palestine.
And you know what?
They're not even Palestinians because that's not even a thing.
unidentified
They don't exist.
jordan holmes
They're just all Muslims.
dan friesen
He's trying to present the idea that she's going over there and only going to be talking to Palestinian people who may or may not already be suicide bombers, whatever, who cares?
They want to destroy Israel.
When in reality, there were a bunch of different groups that she and Omar and others were going to go and meet up with.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
And if you allow that reality to be presented, you ruin the perception that you've created.
And Alex is interested in the narrative, not the truth.
jordan holmes
Which I'm sure is also one of the reasons that they were blocked from entering Israel.
dan friesen
Possibly.
jordan holmes
Netanyahu definitely doesn't want to have them being associated with Israel in a positive way at all.
dan friesen
I would assume not.
So, in this next clip, Alex...
I mean, the whole purpose of this is to inoculate the audience from empathy and from accepting in any way these arguments and these points that are being brought up.
This next clip is primarily about making sure no one feels anything for these people.
unidentified
The delegation would have seen firsthand why walls are destructive, not productive.
They could have asked the people in Bethlehem how walls cut people off away from economic opportunities, from a way to live.
alex jones
Again, let's stop right there.
I can't listen to much more of this.
Why?
Now let's hear about her grandmother and the birdcage.
This is really, really, really cute.
Again, ladies and gentlemen, this is all to manipulate your heartstrings.
jordan holmes
Ah, there it is.
dan friesen
It's all just to manipulate your heartstrings.
jordan holmes
You can't believe anything?
unidentified
No.
You can't believe?
jordan holmes
Mr. Gorbachev, I'm loving that wall.
Keep it going.
dan friesen
More or less.
So, we're done with the press conference business.
But, man, for this next clip, Jordan, I want you to remember.
That Alex Jones, his big enemy is the New World Order.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
That's important because...
alex jones
Whites are only 9% of the world's population.
And let's just say it.
Everybody's trying to get in our countries.
And there's a simple reason.
We got Christianity.
We were living, you know, in the trees and in the caves.
I like to, you know, new black Israelites like to joke, and it's true.
I mean, had high IQ, smart people, but we were, you know, living like savages, like in Africa, because we were not Christian.
The minute we got it, we went straight to the moon.
And, you know, that's what we need is, like, got milk, got Jesus?
That's what produces success, and that's what's going to unify the planet together under Christ.
It's the only way we're not going to destroy ourselves.
Doesn't mean we're going to force you to serve Christ.
Christ doesn't do that.
The door is always open.
The way is Jesus of Nazareth.
That is the global unification.
The Antichrist will have his counterfeit first, then we will have the true global unification, world order, under Jesus Christ.
Stay with us.
We'll be right back.
dan friesen
So, Alex is working towards a one-world government under a Christian rule.
That's the only problem with the world order, is that it's not his.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I cannot think of anything that is suppressed.
Knowledge more than Christianity.
dan friesen
I don't know about that.
I don't know.
I literally just don't know.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
jordan holmes
Fair enough.
dan friesen
I think maybe.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's certainly in the running.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Also, there's some issues about if that's the case, if Christianity is the only thing that made things work out.
There's a lot of periods of history that you're going to have to come up with explanations for.
jordan holmes
Well, they invented algebra.
Right.
I'm pretty sure the Christians did that.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
I'm going to go with...
Oh, rocket science was invented by Christians.
dan friesen
It's not even that angle that I'm coming at this from.
I'm saying that, like, he's saying that we got Christianity and it was straight to the moon.
Like, Christianity wasn't invented in the 1950s.
You know, there was a long period.
jordan holmes
I think he was using a metaphor.
dan friesen
I understand that.
But even within that metaphor, there's a lot of periods of time where there was not a lot of great innovation.
There was a lot of darkness, let's say, in some ages.
That you kind of got to make sense of.
And you've got to come up with an explanation for why the Christian operating system, as he's describing it, wasn't...
They've taken everyone to the moon.
jordan holmes
Well, it just makes me laugh because the bedrock of mathematics was made by his enemies.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
As well as the technology itself necessary to go to the moon was made by paganist weirdos.
dan friesen
And his greatest enemies, the Chinese, created his favorite thing, the gun.
So...
jordan holmes
No, I believe it was Christianity, actually.
unidentified
Probably.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Probably Christian-Chinese.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, I mean, like, the biggest point is what he's saying there is entirely just a, I want a Christian world order.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
I want a unified, one-world Christian order.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Now, also, his bullshit about we won't force you to worship Jesus.
Now, sure, that's all good and well in his theory of it, but let's say that there is a Christian world order.
that comes into power.
Right.
unidentified
How is the experience of being a Muslim in that circumstance going to be?
dan friesen
And that's not...
That isn't a good situation.
jordan holmes
Well...
dan friesen
It's a benevolent world dictatorship in his conception.
jordan holmes
It wouldn't even...
I mean, it's simply not possible.
dan friesen
Well, it's not, but in his conception...
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
Man, that's real stupid.
That's real stupid.
dan friesen
Especially for someone like him to say.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's a little bit too much.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I think he should probably bail.
I think he should call it.
dan friesen
I'm thinking that this might also be something that he's now having to do because of Trump.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Well, Trump is now the chosen one, so he has to...
dan friesen
Sure.
And he's already indicated that he wants them to buy Greenland, indicating a move towards expansionism and making an empire of America.
jordan holmes
Well, and as far as the one-world government goes, he's always been against the UN, but now he's talking about how a resurgence of nationalism is globally bringing people together.
dan friesen
Right.
I mean, it's not a far jump.
From his rhetoric now to the exact opposite of what he's based his existence on.
Just, we're doing it.
Which shouldn't surprise anyone.
This would have surprised me a year ago if I'd heard this.
But now, from the last year of all the invalidations and all of it being like, oh, his principles are conditional.
Of course the New World Order is a conditional thing, too.
Of course it is.
He has nothing.
He doesn't believe anything except defending masculinity, Christianity, whiteness, and the power hierarchies that are implied within those things.
That is it.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Anyway.
jordan holmes
I think we're done here.
dan friesen
Well, we have one last clip.
We have one last clip, and that is Alex taking a caller.
He gets some calls, and one of them wants to bring up this Trump being the chosen one thing.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
It's David Lynch.
I include this.
To be a little bit of a taste of how Alex's listeners are interacting with this development.
And it doesn't seem good.
alex jones
He's always been Christian, as a traditionalist.
But not really, you know.
Let me tell you, Trump has had conversations with me about the energy at churches, and black churches particularly.
We talk about energy, crowds.
That's the kind of, I mean, that's how me and Trump hook up, you know what I mean?
Yeah, on the same wavelength.
And it's all about energy, you see.
And Trump's into it, and Trump loves Jesus.
Here, let's go ahead and go to your call.
Doug, thanks for holding.
Go ahead, from Connecticut.
unidentified
Afternoon, Alex.
How you doing, brother?
alex jones
Good.
What do you want to chime in on about Beto and message to Trump, chosen one comment?
unidentified
Well, let's start with Trump.
electric eye in connecticut
I haven't seen Trump yet make a comment that...
dan friesen
What about the time that he said Toledo after the Dayton shooting?
jordan holmes
That wasn't stupid.
That was right on.
electric eye in connecticut
If you can't see that Trump is doing Christ-like things for this country and the world, if you can't see the opposite side of evil out there, you're not looking in the right place.
dan friesen
By Alex's rhetoric being so insistent that the other side are devils and demons, he has on some level prepared his audience for the one who's fighting them is the second coming of God.
This is not a difficult leap for him to make.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, of course not.
dan friesen
What seemed like probably would be difficult for Alex to rationalize is a hop, skip, and a jump from where he already was.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And there's no stakes.
Do it for him.
To just make this a piece of like, yeah, of course.
Of course he's God's chosen one.
It's insane.
We are so far past any point of acceptability.
jordan holmes
No, this is like, are there a group of people who are just like trying to make everything in the book of Revelations actually happen?
dan friesen
Feels like it.
jordan holmes
Because even reading it, I was like, there's no way.
I remember specifically reading the Book of Revelations when I was like 11 and thinking, there is no way unless some sort of godly hypnosis that the Christian church would ever follow the Antichrist willingly, it must be a setup.
And I will be goddamned, Dan, if it didn't take like zero effort.
It should be harder.
dan friesen
It's weird.
jordan holmes
It should be harder.
dan friesen
I'm not going to ascribe any kind of thing like that to this.
jordan holmes
Oh, I'm going to go with simulation for sure.
dan friesen
I'm all right with you doing that, and I think that our positions can coexist.
I just think that this is like Alex recognizing that this is an advantageous way for the rhetoric that he already believes in and pushes to...
Take its final form.
Take its real form.
jordan holmes
No, it's almost inevitable as a late-stage form of propaganda at this level.
dan friesen
Yeah, you get what you wanted.
It's not what you wanted.
And you have some people who jump ship and are like, well, we've got to get back to decency.
We've got to get back to...
Conservatism has lost its way.
And that's the scam that they go with.
And then some people like Alex.
Just lean into it.
He was never a Republican to begin with.
He was never really into the GOP.
He was never into politics.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Particularly, he's into what he's into.
jordan holmes
A Christian theocracy.
dan friesen
And this is achievable in his mind through Trump if things get even worse.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
So why wouldn't he encourage the worst parts of this?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It makes sense in a very twisted way, but only if you look at Alex through the prism that we've come to understand him in.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And that's...
jordan holmes
And it's almost a Hegelian dialectic.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I'm not even going to allow you to say that.
jordan holmes
Exacerbating the same circumstances that are going to then lead to something that you can exploit to create the Christian's theocracy that you want.
dan friesen
Maybe.
I don't know.
Whatever it is, it's not good.
jordan holmes
No, it's very not good.
dan friesen
Shit's getting bad.
jordan holmes
It's very bad.
dan friesen
Shit's getting bad.
It's real bad.
I don't know what the future's going to bring for Alex, but it won't be good.
And I should say that right after that caller, Alex did say that Zach Voorhees was coming back and that Vox Dei was going to be joining him.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
And I said, no thank you.
jordan holmes
No thank you.
dan friesen
We've already got too much behind us.
I don't care.
Whatever they were going to talk about, it was going to be some Zog shit.
No interest.
So that did exist there, though.
Anyway, we'll be back on Monday.
jordan holmes
We will.
You know, I think the most worrying thing...
dan friesen
Is that we'll be back on Monday?
jordan holmes
Is that we might not be back on Monday.
No, it's that, like, shouldn't we have laughed him off the stage the moment he said, I'm the chosen one?
That's hilarious.
Instead, we're at a place now where that's the most worrying thing I can think of, you know?
dan friesen
Three years ago, maybe you could have laughed about the stage.
jordan holmes
Hilarious.
It's too late now.
It's very real.
dan friesen
It's very real and very terrifying.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
And laughing at it would be dangerous.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
No, we're all fucked.
It's hilarious.
dan friesen
And the further thing is, like, I mean, this is just a, you know, a reminder.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
As this, like, is okay.
jordan holmes
There's really nowhere...
dan friesen
What's next?
jordan holmes
Yeah, there's really nowhere that you can't go.
dan friesen
If there are no consequences for saying that Jewish people who vote for Democrats are disloyal to Israel, where is a line?
Where is there a line?
You have a president who's regurgitating protocol shit.
Where is the line?
jordan holmes
There isn't.
dan friesen
We're past it.
jordan holmes
There isn't?
dan friesen
No.
That's what we've learned.
jordan holmes
Anyways, we'll be back on Monday.
Right.
dan friesen
We have a website.
It's knowledgefight.com.
jordan holmes
We do.
We're on Twitter.
It's at knowledge underscore fight and at go to bed Jordan.
dan friesen
We're on Facebook.
jordan holmes
We are.
dan friesen
Much like Carpe Donctum.
jordan holmes
Yes, currently, for now.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
I imagine he will be kicked off before we ever are.
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
So, if you wanted to listen to our show, though, you could go to iTunes.
dan friesen
Yep, we're there.
jordan holmes
You could download it.
You could leave a review.
That would be nice.
People like to say nice things about us.
dan friesen
I've heard that.
jordan holmes
You could also go to your local CVS.
Ask them for a pack of cigarettes.
They don't sell them anymore, but that's the secret code.
unidentified
That's the code, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
And then they'll give you an episode.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
Also, thanks to everybody who has sent pictures of Crunchy Bars.
Yes.
Confirming my assertion that they are the best candy bar in the world.
jordan holmes
They're pretty good.
dan friesen
You haven't even tried one.
jordan holmes
I've tried one before.
dan friesen
Oh, okay.
jordan holmes
When I was in London.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
You responded to my...
Bringing it up with confusion, which is why I assumed you never had one.
jordan holmes
I didn't know what it looked like.
I didn't know what we were talking about specifically.
Yeah, once they put the pictures up, I was like, oh, it was good.
dan friesen
So good.
jordan holmes
If anybody has tried one of those jelly tots things, though, that's what we're really looking for.
dan friesen
It grew on me, actually.
jordan holmes
Did you finish it?
dan friesen
Yeah, after you left, I ate the rest of it.
It wasn't as bad because I chewed strategically.
jordan holmes
You ate a white chocolate candy bar with jelly tots around it.
dan friesen
Well, you just couldn't overcommit to the jelly tot in the middle of it.
Dance around it a little.
Anyway, I have strategies.
I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm the Jesus Lizard.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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