Today, Dan and Jordan take a little break from looking at Alex Jones to take in a little episode of The Jim Bakker Show. In this installment, the gents grapple with Jim Bakker interviewing a weirdo named Lance Wallnau who has coins to sell and a very familiar story about Trump to tell.
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| I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys. | ||
| Knowledge fight. | ||
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Dan and Jordan now. | |
| I love you. | ||
| knowledge fight knowledge fight.com. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
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I'm Jordan. | |
| We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Indeed we are. | ||
| Dan. | ||
| Stop singing. | ||
| Even though I started it. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Fine. | ||
| What's up? | ||
| Dan! | ||
| What? | ||
| What was your first... | ||
| My first phone? | ||
| Your first cellular phone. | ||
| Oh, cellular phone. | ||
| Actually, you could go with regular phone if you want. | ||
| Did you have a rotary? | ||
| Did you ever have a rotary? | ||
| I have a lot of memories of my parents having one of those turn wheel phones. | ||
| You put your finger in the hole and yell. | ||
| Those are terrible. | ||
| If you're a millennial who's under the age of 25, then you don't even know, man. | ||
| It's insane to think that that's what they decided on. | ||
| Like, that was the presentation of phones. | ||
| It's crazy to think back on that. | ||
| But, yeah, I remember that. | ||
| I don't know if I had... | ||
| I know I had my own phones at some point growing up. | ||
| But I don't remember any specifics like a Garfield phone or anything fun. | ||
| Right. | ||
| My first cell phone, I got really late. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Was it a decision, like your family was like, your parents were like, I don't know if he's ready to have a phone, that kind of thing? | ||
| I had no interest in it. | ||
| No? | ||
| No. | ||
| Okay, okay. | ||
| I had moved out of my parents' house and I just had a house phone. | ||
| I really enjoyed, at that point in my life, the ability to not be contacted. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, this is all before social media. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| The glory days. | ||
| I would go out and come home and there would be messages. | ||
| And I really, well not always, I wasn't that popular. | ||
| But I enjoyed the aspect of, if I'm out and about, I don't have a message. | ||
| I really can't even remember that feeling, you know? | ||
| I can remember it. | ||
| It's hard for me to remember exactly what I loved so much about it. | ||
| That has dulled with time. | ||
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Right, right, right. | |
| But I remember enjoying it when I was 18, 19. So I got a cell phone, I got a flip phone, and then I had that forever. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I didn't get an iPhone or any kind of smartphone until maybe four years ago. | ||
| It's pretty close to that. | ||
| You've been doing T9 all the way up to 2015? | ||
| I had a flip phone for a very long time. | ||
| Damn. | ||
| Razor? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't remember that. | ||
| It was a sprint, something or other. | ||
| Whatever they gave me for free with a plan. | ||
| Yeah, so I had that, and then I got a smartphone just because I kind of gave in, and the flip phone was breaking, and I went in, and they're like, you're years overdue for an upgrade. | ||
| Do you just want an iPhone? | ||
| All right, fine. | ||
| Please, sir. | ||
| We've taken pity on you. | ||
| Just take an iPhone. | ||
| Super Luddite with technology. | ||
| I am not super into the gadgets. | ||
| My buddy Nicky Gifts was super into iPhones pretty early. | ||
| I didn't judge him for his interest, but I didn't have any of it. | ||
| I didn't have any interest. | ||
| Did you have an iPod? | ||
| Nope. | ||
| No? | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| So have you ever had an iPod? | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| Maybe like a hand-me-down one from somebody else that I messed around with. | ||
| Or like an MP3 player of any kind, you know what I'm saying? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I think I had somebody else's for a minute, and then I didn't. | ||
| You had a Zune? | ||
| You tossed it out the window? | ||
| I don't think I had a Zune. | ||
| I did when I was driving. | ||
| So this is how fucking stupid I am. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Like, I had a car in Missouri. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And I didn't have any of the jacks to plug an iPhone in that I didn't have to begin with. | ||
| Yeah, right. | ||
| I didn't have a CD player in the car or anything. | ||
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No issues. | |
| But I wanted to listen to stuff that I was choosing myself because the radio, by that point, I was like, I'm much interested in this. | ||
| Disaster. | ||
| I wanted to listen to podcasts. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so what I would do is I would take my laptop. | ||
| Put it in the passenger seat of my car and drive around. | ||
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No. | |
| No. | ||
| Refuse. | ||
| Refuse. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Pass. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| No, thank you. | ||
| I don't even like having that image in my head. | ||
| It's very dumb. | ||
| Very, very dumb. | ||
| So this is a podcast where I don't know much about tech, but I do know a lot about Alex Jones. | ||
| And I know way more about tech than you do. | ||
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I would hope so. | |
| But way less about Alex Jones. | ||
| I would fucking hope so. | ||
| If you knew less. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| What a disaster. | ||
| I'd be wearing a burlap sack. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Which is in my future. | ||
| Yeah, probably. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| So, Jordan, we're coming off here on the Wednesdays very long. | ||
| Very... | ||
| Smorgasmorgas of sadness. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That was something that was a lot to take in in order to do the episode. | ||
| And so today what I wanted to do is I wanted to go off the reservation completely. | ||
| We're going to do a non-Alex Jones episode. | ||
| Perfect. | ||
| You might call it a Wacky Friday episode. | ||
| Free for all Friday. | ||
| Nice. | ||
| Something along those lines. | ||
| But I just needed a palate cleanser. | ||
| And on top of that, you are about to leave for a vacation. | ||
| You'll be gone for a week. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| But we've recorded some episodes in advance, and then get some fill-in, folk, for the time that you'll be gone. | ||
| Yeah, it is supremely, supremely lucky that my partner's mother paid for a trip to South Africa. | ||
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Sure. | |
| That is something that I could never have even fucking imagined. | ||
| Yeah, that should be... | ||
| Never could have fought for it. | ||
| It'll be a great time, and I look forward to you coming back and being like, Tommy Robinson is right! | ||
| I will actually be restarting Rhodesia while I'm there. | ||
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Of course. | |
| Of course. | ||
| So, I hope you have a great trip, but I didn't want to send you off with an episode that was too... | ||
| If we did another present day Alex episode, I'd be out the window. | ||
| I'd be stowing away on that plane to South Africa and not coming back. | ||
| I got a big luggage for you. | ||
| Jordan, today is going to be interesting. | ||
| I don't want to spoil too much ahead of time. | ||
| I recommend what we should do. | ||
| We should say thank you to some people who are signing up and supporting the show. | ||
| Good deal. | ||
| So first, I'd like to say thank you to Nick. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you, Nick. | ||
| Thanks, Nick. | ||
| Next, Katie. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you, Katie. | ||
| She donated to the show, and then you know what else she did? | ||
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What? | |
| Barred the door. | ||
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Ugh. | |
| Ugh. | ||
| Next, Kit. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you, Kit. | ||
| Next, I'm gonna fucking not be able to pronounce this name. | ||
| Let's do it. | ||
| I think it's Hidde. | ||
| H-I-D-D-E? | ||
| Hidde? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Hyde. | ||
| Any of the... | ||
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Could be. | |
| There's a million pronunciations for this. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| That might be. | ||
| And I apologize that I do not know what the correct pronunciation is, but I appreciate you all the same. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you, Hidde. | ||
| Thank you, Hidde. | ||
| Then finally, I'd like to say thank you to some people who have donated on an elevated level. | ||
| We appreciate that very much. | ||
| So first, Evan. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| Next, Veder. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| Old Firebones. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| And Nomzod. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are all now wonderful technocrats. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Crikey, mate. | ||
| That's fantastic. | ||
| Have yourself a brew. | ||
| How's your 401k doing, bro? | ||
| We got to go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, all right? | ||
| Let's just get down to business. | ||
| We ain't making that money off that heroin. | ||
| Why are you pimps so good? | ||
| My neck is freakishly large. | ||
| I declare. | ||
| Infowar on you. | ||
| Thank you so much, Evan, Old Firebones, Veder, and Nomzod. | ||
| Thank you very much to all of you, and all I have to add is that you must kneel before Nomzod! | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| All right, Jordan, I'll just cut the bullshit about pretending I'm not going to tease any or whatever. | ||
| I'm going to not say what this episode is. | ||
| For a long time, people have been asking that we get back into Jim Baker. | ||
| Oh, no! | ||
| I decided... | ||
| And we've tried. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| There have been a lot of recommendations like, we need more Jim Baker up in here. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| And we've tried to satisfy that, but a lot of Jim Baker stuff is so one note. | ||
| It's so the same. | ||
| And we've actually, spoiler alert, tried to record an episode that we, in the middle of it, we're like, this is not an episode. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Jim Baker had an episode that he did that was all a banquet. | ||
| With his family out of his food buckets. | ||
| I remember. | ||
| And it was just like, oh my god, look at this great pancake. | ||
| It was insane. | ||
| It was insane. | ||
| Yeah, it's always fun. | ||
| 99% of the time, if we take a day off of the episode, we recorded the episode. | ||
| Don't worry. | ||
| Not 99% of the time, but sometimes. | ||
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Yeah, a lot of the time. | |
| I think that was probably one of them. | ||
| Because the spectacle of it and the idea that he's doing an entire episode with just me and my family eat out of buckets. | ||
| Conceptually hilarious. | ||
| Amazing. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Boring as shit. | ||
| A disaster. | ||
| So boring. | ||
| I think maybe 20 minutes in, we were doing it, we realized, what are we just going to say? | ||
| This is stupid over and over again. | ||
| Every time? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| This is turkey that came from a bucket. | ||
| Ha, ha, ha, ha. | ||
| And it's 40 more times than that. | ||
| The best parody of that is go watch it yourself. | ||
| It's absurd. | ||
| So that kind of put a bad taste in my mouth for Jim Baker, much like people who eat his buckets do. | ||
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Nice. | |
| But I was going through, looking at his episodes, his recent episodes, and I was like, I almost fell for the siren song again, because there was a three-part episode that is the clearing out the warehouse sale. | ||
| Three full episodes of him going through his warehouse and being like, well, we got this bucket on sale. | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| I was so close to doing it again, but I knew that if we did, we would end up in the exact same place. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| We would be 20 minutes in and being like, you can't put a hat on a hat. | ||
| This is absurd. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So I decided I was going to, in a rare instance of letting other media coverage direct me, I decided to cover an episode. | ||
| That actually got a bit of press attention. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| This is something that Right Wing Watch made fun of a little bit. | ||
| And it's an episode where Jim Baker invites a guy named Lance Wallnau on the show. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And this guy is selling a gold coin that can connect you in prayer to each other and also Donald Trump. | ||
| Goddammit, I really love these people. | ||
| That is what the media covered and was making fun of. | ||
| And there's like a minute-long clip of him trying to sell this coin. | ||
| I was like, okay, you guys are talking about that. | ||
| I want to see what else happened on that episode that may have been the forest that was missed for the trees. | ||
| Right, of course. | ||
| So I decided to check in on that, and I figured, if we're doing a Jim Baker episode, this is as good as I can do for it. | ||
| I could take something somebody else covered and be like, what else is going on here? | ||
| So that's what we're going to do. | ||
| What can we add that's specifically about us? | ||
| Or that we can specifically ask. | ||
| And I think there is some stuff. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think that there's a lot of more fucked up things than a guy selling a magic coin on this episode. | ||
| Well, the most fucked up thing is it's true. | ||
| It is. | ||
| It is actually true. | ||
| So here is the first clip where we get our Dancing Queen introductory music. | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| Tammy Sue Baker giving us the voiceover. | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| And then we get to meet Lance Wallnau. | ||
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Hello and welcome to the Jim Baker Show, coming to you from the village of Morningside, snuggled in the beautiful Ozark Mountains. | |
| Today is day two with our special guest. | ||
| He's the director of the Lance Learning Group and a best-selling author. | ||
| Welcome, Dr. Lance Wallnau. | ||
| Our co-host today is Mondo de la Vega. | ||
| I'm Tammy Sue Baker. | ||
| And now, please give a warm welcome to my parents and the hosts of the Jim Baker Show, Jim and Lori Baker. | ||
| Welcome! | ||
| Great to have you here on Gray Street. | ||
| And our special guest today, Lance Wolnell, is back with us. | ||
| Day two. | ||
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Wow. | |
| You are on the cutting edge. | ||
| When did God first call you to be a voice for the church and for really electing the right officers? | ||
| I mean, the right presidents, the right... | ||
| Senators are at congressmen. | ||
| So real quick, we'll get to his answer, but right out of the gate, Jim Baker's first question is like, when did you get into theocratic politics? | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| He didn't even, there was no, like, there was nothing. | ||
| The piano was still kind of going. | ||
| Give me some, give me, like, in the parlance of our kids, I could have used a little foreplay. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| Just diving in with like, when did you decide to use religion as a scam to guide politics towards conservative? | ||
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When did God call you to ruin his earth? | |
| Real blunt. | ||
| I personally think that it was when I started hearing friends of mine like Rick Joyner and you talking about where America was at. | ||
| Because like so many Christians, I just wanted to preach spiritual kingdom optimistic messages and focus on revival. | ||
| But I heard something in your voice and the way in which you had grounded it in real concern. | ||
| It was a cast register. | ||
| And then I started reading Dinesh D'Souza and other people and I said, oh my God, I myself am part of the problem. | ||
| Yeah, you are. | ||
| Because as a preacher, as somebody who had an audience, I was ignoring what was happening in the controversies of my country and the world in order to focus on solutions that are Christ-centered. | ||
| So I would say that solutions that are Christ-centered is what church is about. | ||
| That should be what you're focusing on. | ||
| No idea what you're talking about. | ||
| I believe that what he's actually saying in that clip there, beyond the... | ||
| I started reading Dinesh D'Souza, which is always a bad sign. | ||
| Which is the most terrifying thing. | ||
| That's bad. | ||
| What he's saying is, I was really afraid of losing 501c3 status, but then I saw what you and Rick Joyner were doing. | ||
| I was like... | ||
| Hey, it's Thunderdome. | ||
| I can do whatever I want. | ||
| There's no bottom. | ||
| There's no floor. | ||
| Who gives a shit? | ||
| I do love the brilliance of the buttering up Baker strategy. | ||
| Butter Baker. | ||
| It was because of you, Jim Baker. | ||
| There might be some truth to that, though, too. | ||
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That's possible. | |
| Jim Baker's a legend in this hustle. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Well, yeah, no, he is a legend in the hustle. | ||
| You're right. | ||
| I thought we were actually talking about religion. | ||
| Well, that's religion to some. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| You know, that's the thing that's really difficult about something like this, is like... | ||
| A lot of people who are taking in the message probably are doing so in some sort of... | ||
| Good faith. | ||
| Yeah, or at least without some sort of... | ||
| They aren't taking it in on the terms of it being a con. | ||
| Right. | ||
| They aren't agreeing to be like, hey... | ||
| I want to get conned by this guy. | ||
| The evilness of it is specifically from the people disseminating it. | ||
| Now, the consequences, which are negative, are precipitated a lot of the times by the people who believe the stuff. | ||
| But they aren't necessarily... | ||
| I don't believe all of them, at least, are signing up specifically for the scam. | ||
| Yeah, no, I think there's a definite lack of guile, I suppose, would be the way to put it. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| That might be idealistic of us to think. | ||
| I'm not sure. | ||
| Yeah, but this is just proof that if there was a god, these people would be in jail forever. | ||
| I did very little research into this episode because... | ||
| Who gives a shit? | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| But I did want to find out a little bit about who Lance Wallnau is, because no one knows who the fuck this guy is. | ||
| Absolutely not. | ||
| So he's a bit of a lunatic, which makes sense, seeing that he's a guest here on the Jim Baker show. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Wallnau is a board member for the Oak Initiative, a group listed by the Council on American-Islamic Relations as, quote, part of the Islamophobic network in America. | ||
| Really hoping they were planting trees to combat climate change. | ||
| There is a different Oak Network. | ||
| The Royal Oak Initiative. | ||
| I did find some tree groups when I was looking into this. | ||
| In 2011, the Oak Initiative published a book called Islam vs. | ||
| the United States, which purported to expose the quote, all-conquering character of many of the followers of Islam. | ||
| They routinely disseminate material that seeks to invalidate the idea that a mosque is a form of a church and argue that, quote, even in the watered-down versions, it's clear that this religion promotes the destruction or enslavement of all who do not adhere to it. | ||
| Quote, watered down. | ||
| Right. | ||
| As though that's a thing. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like it's a stiff tea. | ||
| Yeah, what is that? | ||
| Watered down Islam? | ||
| Come on, guys. | ||
| You guys are pathetic. | ||
| Someone else who sits on the board of the Oak Initiative is Alex Jones' buddy, Lieutenant General William Boykin. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Noted Islamophobe of the highest order. | ||
| I paused there because I thought you were going to do your Boykin! | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I'm past it. | ||
| I've grown up. | ||
| I'm still stuck on wall now. | ||
| Wall now! | ||
| And it's the Oak Initiative. | ||
| His name is Wall Now. | ||
| It's not Wall Nuts. | ||
| And then it's driving me insane. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| You're going to have to put those on the back burner because there might be other things than sort of similarities to legumes that'll come up. | ||
| It's like a bad slant rhyme. | ||
| So Boykin made a video. | ||
| Ah-ha! | ||
| Damn it! | ||
| You're back. | ||
| You tricked me. | ||
| So Boykin made a video for the Oak Initiative in 2010 saying that Islam is not a religion and should not be protected by the First Amendment, a belief he based on his own determination that it was central to Islamic belief that Muslims had to destroy the United States Constitution in order to bring in Sharia law. | ||
| Muhammad did say that. | ||
| That was one of Muhammad's big things. | ||
| He was like, eventually there's going to be a whole country. | ||
| We're going to need to take down its constitution. | ||
| That's what we've got to do. | ||
| The Oak Initiative is a major player in the world of Islamophobia. | ||
| These narratives being perpetuated and disseminated into right-wing talking points and conversation. | ||
| But it's not only Muslims that they don't like. | ||
| The Oak Initiative is also fiercely anti-LGBTQ. | ||
| And in 2015, they paid to erect billboards in Michigan that depicted a gay man with a rainbow painted on his face, accompanied by the text, not born this way, and quote, homosexuality is a behavior, not a civil right. | ||
| This is a run-of-the-mill bigot organization seeking to do whatever it takes to support and maintain the status quo in this country of straight, white, male Christian supremacy. | ||
| So, of course, you'd not be surprised to learn that they're super into Trump and basically think he's the messiah. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Anyway, that's about all you really need to know about Lance Wallnau. | ||
| He's a board member of that trash organization. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| He's an evil con man in the long succession of evil con men, televangelists kind of guys. | ||
| He's in that world. | ||
| He's appearing on another grifter's religious scam program. | ||
| But I don't want to be one of these guys who goes ad hominem. | ||
| Oh no, of course! | ||
| We've got to judge them by what they say and what they do. | ||
| Now we know a little bit about who he is. | ||
| Let's put that aside and let the man speak his piece. | ||
| So, in this next clip, we find out when Lance got politically involved. | ||
| Apparently, it was after hearing Jim Baker and reading Dinesh D'Souza. | ||
| But that doesn't give us specifics. | ||
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Right. | |
| So the moment that I got called by accident up to a Trump meeting, and I came out of that, and I walked in. | ||
| I wasn't supposed to be there. | ||
| It was like Kenneth Copeland was there and Paula White. | ||
| And I actually got so insecure, I went up to the doorman. | ||
| So real quick, he said Paula White came. | ||
| And Kenneth Copeland. | ||
| But Paula White came when he said that. | ||
| That's in the original of the audio. | ||
| I think he might have forgotten her name. | ||
| I'm not sure, but I think he might have stammered his way through her day. | ||
| Yeah, gotcha. | ||
| And I said, am I on that list? | ||
| Because I thought there was a mistake made. | ||
| Everyone had a big ministry of something. | ||
| And the guy says, yeah, you're on the list. | ||
| I put you on the list. | ||
| I said, well, who are you? | ||
| He said, I'm the PR agent. | ||
| I heard you in a little meeting down there in Florida, and I made a decision right then. | ||
| If I could get you in front of Trump, you're going. | ||
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So I thought... | |
| Oh, and so I'm in the meeting in that big boardroom, and Trump's talking, and there's, you know, a Justin Franklin and a Ken Colby, and I'm peeing quiet, and actually the customer's new. | ||
| And I'm thinking, man, what am I, it's surreal, what am I doing here? | ||
| And all of a sudden I get a kick under the chair. | ||
| And that PR agent says, you better say something. | ||
| And so he forced me to open my mouth and start talking, because I was just going to be humble and just watch. | ||
| So I spoke, and after I spoke, I got invited to another meeting. | ||
| And I was just speaking because I didn't want to embarrass myself in front of the guy that kicked my chair. | ||
| But all I knew was Donald Trump is a wrecking ball in the spirit of political correctness. | ||
| I heard the Lord say that. | ||
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Oh, boy. | |
| Some people might have thought that clip was a little long, but it needed to reach its conclusion. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| So he gets invited to a Trump meeting that makes him politically motivated, I suppose, which is great. | ||
| It means, on some level, these meetings are as much recruitment as they are anything else. | ||
| Let's get these preachers on board. | ||
| Let's get all these meme makers galvanized. | ||
| And there's a strategy to all this. | ||
| I don't believe that God said that Trump was a wrecking ball to political correctness. | ||
| I don't know why God would say that. | ||
| Is he not busy? | ||
| Is God concerned with political correctness? | ||
| Is there a First Amendment in the Bible? | ||
| I think there might be. | ||
| I know there's one in heaven. | ||
| You get to call people all kinds of racial epithets in heaven. | ||
| Well, you have to. | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| Because if not, you don't have full free will. | ||
| Right? | ||
| And you gotta have that. | ||
| That is really fucked up that I'd never thought about, but their conception of heaven must include... | ||
| Oh, absolutely. | ||
| It has to. | ||
| They get to throw the N-word around all they want in heaven. | ||
| Now, I don't want to, but I want to be able to. | ||
| Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Should I lose my job in heaven just because I called someone an F? | ||
| No, they honestly... | ||
| Believe that in their heaven neighborhood, if a black person moves in, they all get to leave or whatever and go somewhere else. | ||
| They're insane. | ||
| These people are so stupid. | ||
| I never thought about that, but that is pretty weird. | ||
| So Trump is a wrecking ball to all that. | ||
| As is Miley Cyrus. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| She came in like one. | ||
| While he was there at this meeting, one of these meetings, it's unspecific, but I think it's that first one that he accidentally went to. | ||
| There was a, what he describes as a black TV channel, but it's not BET. | ||
|
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Oh, boy. | |
| And they were doing some footage, they were shooting some footage or something. | ||
| The details on this are sketchy. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| I'm also not sure that this is true. | ||
| It might be true. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If it's true. | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| But then also, Jim and Lori love this story. | ||
| They think this is just the best story. | ||
| Unreal. | ||
| And I'm there, and it was like one of the, it was one TV program, but it had like a whole African-American, it wasn't BET, but it was kind of like, they were bringing all the pastors up that were African-American, and they're all dressed really well. | ||
| And then they see me standing along the side. | ||
| I was invited, and they said, live on television, they said, Oh, ladies and gentlemen, look what we have over here. | ||
| It's Donald Trump's number two man, Michael Cohen. | ||
| And they brought me over. | ||
| Come on over. | ||
| And I'm in front of this audience and I'm staring at her thinking, what do I do? | ||
| And they hand me the microphone and say, well, Mr. Cohen, why don't you say something? | ||
|
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And I tried to clear my throat, and I said, I'm not Michael Cohen. | |
| And it's like I had like a Seinfeld moment. | ||
| It was so embarrassing. | ||
| I said, Donald Trump is a wrecking ball to the spirit of political correctness. | ||
|
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Thank you. | |
| Can I get the microphone back? | ||
|
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And I see, and I look at them all going, wrecking ball. | |
| Next thing you know, everywhere you go, wrecking ball, wrecking ball, wrecking ball. | ||
| And I realized... | ||
| I may not have been involved. | ||
| I don't know how I got in. | ||
| I don't know how I got on. | ||
| But at that moment, I thought, I guess this is what I'm supposed to do. | ||
| Sorry, supernatural problem. | ||
| Has to be. | ||
| Ha ha ha ha! | ||
| So he got a catchphrase and now he's famous. | ||
| Great. | ||
| Good work, dude. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| So I guess maybe this happened and then people, someone wrote an article that crazy weirdo says Trump is a wrecking ball. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| There's a couple other instances of him taking credit for starting terms. | ||
| So I think that might just be a thing of his. | ||
| I'm not positive that I'm going to give him credit for any of them. | ||
| I think people might have already been saying Wrecking Ball type language. | ||
| And then that's why it came to his mind in this highly stressful situation where people think he's Michael Cohen and he's being, I'm not Michael Cohen! | ||
| Say something! | ||
| And then what your subconscious pulls up is something you've already heard. | ||
| Or maybe his daughter is a big Miley Cyrus fan. | ||
| Yeah, that might be. | ||
| Any of these things are possible. | ||
| It sounds borderline Back to the Future, Marty McFly playing a... | ||
| Johnny B. Goode? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, Johnny B. Goode. | ||
| Like, no, no, no, white people did invent rock and roll music. | ||
| Don't even worry about it. | ||
| Like, that kind of shit. | ||
| Bananas. | ||
| So, this episode is largely contingent on Lance Wallnau and Jim Baker having a conversation about how Trump is here because of God. | ||
| And that God's divine inspiration... | ||
| Thanks to the actions of the church have brought Trump into office to save the church from the scourges of PC culture and the socialists and all the other things that they just don't want to say out loud. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| All the racial epithets they can't wait to say in heaven. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So that being really what this whole interview is about, it's really weird to hear him say this about the Democrats. | ||
| The Democratic Party, and we need to know this, has been taken over. | ||
| It's not the Democratic Party of your mama's day. | ||
| Like, my mom could be a Kennedy Democrat and a Reagan Republican and all on the same kitchen table. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because she loved Ronald Reagan. | ||
| But now, ideologically, the left has a movement within it that has gone into the Democratic Party to seize powers. | ||
| So what you've got is the radical new element that is... | ||
| Taking over the party and pulling it in their direction, that's where the socialism comes from. | ||
| So what you've got is they're throwing Biden out there saying, let's get somebody who represents the normal Democrat because the left in their own party has taken over, but he's not going to be able to handle it. | ||
| He probably won't. | ||
| He probably won't. | ||
| It's so insane for them to be doing this weird theocratic propaganda nonsense. | ||
| Like, God brought us Trump, that show, and then be like, you know what? | ||
| The Democrats have been taken over by crazies. | ||
| Their party has been pulled to the extreme side. | ||
| Did he not... | ||
| He didn't realize what he was explaining, right? | ||
| He didn't realize that the civil rights movement is why you could be a Kennedy Democrat and a Reagan Republican. | ||
| He didn't quite get that he was just explaining that it's all about race. | ||
| I think he might have been aware of that on a subconscious level. | ||
| Perhaps. | ||
| It's definitely... | ||
| It's just because the left has gone too far. | ||
| It's not that a Kennedy Democrat may have changed after the civil rights movement and the Republican Party may have gotten more extreme when we elected a black president forcing everybody to... | ||
| Drift to hard, right? | ||
| It definitely has nothing to do with race, Dan. | ||
| It's definitely not two seminal moments. | ||
| It doesn't feel like it is. | ||
| No. | ||
| Because actually what's going on is the Justice Democrats have come around. | ||
| That's what it is. | ||
| So the Justice Democrats, what they're doing is being sneaky. | ||
|
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Okay. | |
| All right. | ||
| What are we doing? | ||
| All right. | ||
| I don't even know if I am one. | ||
|
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What are we doing? | |
| No, the Justice Democrats are that organization that ran AOC. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Oh, the good people. | ||
|
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The people who adhere to Jesus' beliefs. | |
| I've read some interviews with the people who were involved with it and getting it going, and their whole idea was to create a centralized fundraising type of thing so they could run candidates that wouldn't have to worry about going out and doing fundraisers. | ||
| Like, taking care of a lot of that so the politicians could be politicians. | ||
|
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Right. | |
| Because you can't have publicly funded elections. | ||
| They were trying to do the second best thing. | ||
| Or whatever. | ||
| I would say so. | ||
| Something along those lines. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And maybe that's woefully idealistic of us to imagine that any human could actually follow through with that well. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| But whatever that plan is, that's not sneaky. | ||
| That's just another strategy that's totally legal. | ||
| Sneaky strategies. | ||
| These folks over on the Jim Baker show, they got other ideas about what they're up to, and it's sneaky! | ||
| You were telling me earlier about the American Idol election for presidents. | ||
| In other words, you can all try out for Congress. | ||
| You guys understand? | ||
| Tell the people about that. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I can confirm it with him because I... | ||
| Tell them exactly how this is done. | ||
| It's fascinating. | ||
|
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Pretty much all they're doing is casting congresswoman, congressman in a way that if you were out to go get a movie role. | |
| So there's a new Justice Democrat Party that is trying to get rid of the old Democratic Party by casting new people. | ||
| So as long as you're an activist in your community, if you have the charm... | ||
| You're the candidate they're going to get behind with, right? | ||
| So it's a new Justice Democrat Party that is pumping a lot of money using social media to get to your grandkids, get to people in my age. | ||
| It's a new America. | ||
| It's a new America. | ||
| Sneaky. | ||
| I think he thinks that he said something bad, but he didn't say anything bad. | ||
| No, because all he's describing is like, alright, there's an organization that helps support activists who are charismatic and electable get elected. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Isn't that what all this is? | ||
| I'm pretty sure that's what it is. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| How is this different? | ||
| Regular? | ||
| Shouldn't you then be mad about giant corporations giving donations to Charismatic? | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| Because Ted Cruz isn't an activist. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| These are middle center-right or center-left candidates, Dan. | ||
| I just want everybody to come to the middle. | ||
| And I'm sure that giant corporations really are pushing those center-centrist candidates. | ||
| He's pointing the finger at and accusing the Justice Democrats of is not anything weird. | ||
| Nope. | ||
|
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But he's framing it in such a way as like they got big money and they're using social media to get your grandkids. | |
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Fuck off. | ||
| They're not hiring some sort of shady third party that has a fucking history of committing crimes. | ||
| Data farm. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| Yeah, they're evil. | ||
| So this whole idea of they're casting people spins out of control in this next clip once Lance picks up the narrative and starts running with it. | ||
| I think there's some pretty racist framing going on here. | ||
| So far this is all racist. | ||
| This is all the most racist. | ||
| So imagine this. | ||
| Your top three most controversial freshman congresswomen are actually all coming through central casting. | ||
| Say the end word. | ||
| Just do it. | ||
| With a machine that knows how to get support behind you if you can fit the demographics. | ||
| So this is how fascinating this moment in history is. | ||
| Real quick, he's saying that these three non-white congresswomen are from central casting because they fit the demographics. | ||
| Because they're non-white. | ||
| Right. | ||
| He's saying that the only reason that they could possibly be elected is because they are non-white. | ||
| And Justice Democrats are sneaky. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| You can literally create, and Andrew Breitbart said this, he said, all politics is downstream from culture. | ||
| Which means this, acting, your Hollywood entertainment, your academia, your media, it sets the stage for what people want, young people want. | ||
| Then you have to go find the empty suit that you could fill with a candidate who will do what you want them to do to match what the market wants. | ||
| The media outlets are all working with this strategy so as to create, in a sense, you don't think there's other congresspeople with more experience and more intelligent things to say? | ||
| They're not talking to them. | ||
| Huh? | ||
|
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Huh? | |
| What? | ||
| What? | ||
| Huh? | ||
|
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Huh? | |
| Hold on one second. | ||
|
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What? | |
| It's really weird that intelligence and experience are so important to him when he thinks Trump came from God. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I don't... | ||
| Well, God trumps experience, Dan. | ||
| It's really clear what's behind this. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| The thing that... | ||
| This is the narrative also that they love to pull, that, like, their empty suits thing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Every fucking congressperson... | ||
| Is a team of people. | ||
| It's not like it's all Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's ideas. | ||
| She's got tons of people who are revising shit over and over and over again. | ||
| As does every congressman. | ||
| Everyone! | ||
| It's that solitary, the big man theory. | ||
| Yeah, the great man theory of history. | ||
| The great man theory of the present. | ||
| Yeah, they're so beholden to that. | ||
| And I think it's to their detriment. | ||
| Oh, absolutely. | ||
| Because it really doesn't... | ||
| Well, I mean, it's just dumb. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I guess you could sum it up with that. | ||
| Even then, how dare you, you idiot? | ||
| The whole fucking point is they're a representative. | ||
| They represent a larger group of people by definition. | ||
| Well, no, because all elections are stolen when Democrats win. | ||
| That's a fair point. | ||
| Never mind. | ||
| Pass. | ||
|
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Moving on. | |
| Lightning round over. | ||
| I mean, you get off the hook for all that, like, yeah, okay, if this person was so terrible, then people would vote them out by, you know, just like, well, no, it's impossible because all elections are rigged. | ||
| Three million illegal immigrants voted. | ||
| And then we're just trapped. | ||
| There's nowhere to go. | ||
| So, you know. | ||
| AOC, Tlaib, Omar, empty suits. | ||
| Presley, empty suits. | ||
| Empty suits. | ||
| But he, you know, they're empty suits. | ||
| They're stupid. | ||
| The media just talks to them because they're central casting. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Now, Trump, in contrast, is a genius. | ||
| He's a communications genius. | ||
| I really want to hear the justification for this. | ||
| When you do hear it. | ||
| It's going to be disappointing. | ||
| Can Trump be re-elected? | ||
| That's the amazing thing. | ||
| Donald Trump can be re-elected in spite of the fact that all the machinery is being worked against him. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Right on down to the social media purging that's happening. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But he's a smart man. | ||
| So what has he been doing? | ||
| What has Brad Parscale been doing on his team? | ||
| They've been collecting the data of everyone they want to talk to so that regardless of what social media gets shut down, they're prepared to talk to their 50, 60, 70 million people directly. | ||
| The president's got plans to stay in communication. | ||
| He's a communication genius. | ||
| He's a genius because he has an email list. | ||
| He's got an email list. | ||
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Was this brought to us by MailChimp? | |
| The innovative mind of Donald Trump brings you an email list. | ||
| Something that every shitty bar comedy show strives to create and uses an advertising tool. | ||
| If only. | ||
| What, you've been involved in some that don't use email lists? | ||
| Oh, I have. | ||
| Clunky. | ||
| I've run them. | ||
| So yeah, that's not good. | ||
| He's a genius because he uses one of the most elementary tools of the internet. | ||
| See, that's how you bypass social media. | ||
| You get an email address, Dan. | ||
| That's the whole trick. | ||
| It still doesn't work, though, because Alex has been kicked off MailChimp. | ||
| So those companies can still give you the boot. | ||
| Well, then they just start having single people send out an email every day. | ||
| It's like a phone tree. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| Yep, that's probably it. | ||
| That sounds right. | ||
| Forward, forward, forward, forward, forward, forward, forward to my grandma. | ||
| This next clip involves this gent whose name, he boars me so much that I don't remember his name. | ||
| I can't wait. | ||
| Lance. | ||
| So he is going to make the argument that the church got Trump elected. | ||
| And based on the levels of evangelical support that make no sense. | ||
| I would argue 100% he is right. | ||
| But I don't know. | ||
| Well, that and the cheating. | ||
| You know, all the constituent parts that voted for Trump get to say that they were the ones who gave him the election. | ||
| Which is kind of part of the mythology that keeps people on board. | ||
| Because it's like, well, we were the ones who made this happen. | ||
| It's sort of the sunk cost kind of fallacy. | ||
| Like, we did all this. | ||
| We can't give up now. | ||
| So there's that. | ||
| Then, after he makes that argument... | ||
| He explains why Trump is good. | ||
| And he says something that, like, it knocked me out of my chair. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Mic down for this. | ||
| Just make sure you catch this. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| The church doesn't understand what's happening. | ||
| And yet we were the decisive factor that got Donald Trump in. | ||
| Donald Trump has been the greatest gift we have had in terms of a resistance against the devil and a promoter. | ||
| Of a world order of stability and economic prosperity. | ||
| Oh, wait, wait. | ||
| Hold on. | ||
|
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Hold on. | |
| Excuse me, sir. | ||
| Lance? | ||
| Hey, buddy. | ||
| We have a couple questions for you. | ||
| Would you say that this world order is new? | ||
| You would say is it the old world order? | ||
| A theocratic regime that controls the earth? | ||
| Are you trying to take us back to the Dark Ages or are you trying to set up a new world order? | ||
| Which one is this? | ||
| Do you want the Dark Pope or the Good Pope? | ||
| What do you want? | ||
| What are we doing? | ||
| What are we doing here? | ||
| For somebody who's existing in this space, I cannot believe he would choose. | ||
| Trump is really great because he's establishing a world order of prosperity. | ||
| Yep, yep. | ||
| He's doing it. | ||
| Don't do that. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| And it's going to be fine. | ||
| That's what you've been yelling about George H.W. Bush about for 30 years. | ||
| Yeah, but he's... | ||
| Because he used those words. | ||
| You dicks. | ||
| You fucking dicks. | ||
| They're cheaters. | ||
| It's unfair. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's so unfair. | ||
| Yeah, it is. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| Wall now. | ||
| Lance, wall now. | ||
| Walnut. | ||
| Hey, now. | ||
| Wall now. | ||
| You're an all-star. | ||
| Have you ever been to wall drug now? | ||
| There we go. | ||
| So, in this next clip, Lance discusses a sort of Freudian slip that Trump had that I find disturbing, but... | ||
| He and Jim Baker and Lori Baker think it's hilarious. | ||
| And so he's like a businessman. | ||
| I remember one time he had a Freudian slip. | ||
| He said, I want to make my company great again. | ||
| I don't think he knows what he said. | ||
| He meant my country, but he's treating it like a CEO getting the business sorted out. | ||
| You know why it's not funny? | ||
| Because CEOs own companies. | ||
| CEOs are... | ||
| The mentality should be very different. | ||
| So the Freudian slip of this is my company, I think it's even fucked up to look at running a country like a business. | ||
| Oh, it's insane. | ||
| That on its own is something that is unhealthy, unproductive to public works. | ||
| Ridiculous and exploitative. | ||
| Yes, absolutely. | ||
| But then my company. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| Here's the worst part. | ||
| He understands what Freudian slip means. | ||
| He said Freudian slip. | ||
| He didn't say slip of the tongue. | ||
| A slip of the tongue would be fine. | ||
| Oh, he's just used to saying my company. | ||
| Instead, he said Freudian slip, which means that he believes Trump literally meant to say, or thinks. | ||
| That he's running his company. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And he meant to say country. | ||
| So he's all on board with Trump running it like it's his company. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| What a fucking monster. | ||
| I guess that means we could be fired. | ||
| Well, in a very literal sense, I suppose. | ||
| So earlier in the episode I said that, and I have been saying, and I will continue to say, that Lance... | ||
| Lance! | ||
| Is making the argument that Trump is a gift from God. | ||
| He is divine intervention. | ||
| And I haven't really earned that yet, so we will in this next clip. | ||
| We've had a... | ||
| A Christian culture that has been prophesying and seeking God for revival. | ||
| I've been in this ministry for 40 years. | ||
| It's been the intercessors that have kicked in in the last years. | ||
| How many of you have been feeling a burden of prayer? | ||
| It's been like a prayer movement, fasting. | ||
| The intercessors kicked in a divine intervention in the form of a wrecking ball. | ||
| That would be Donald Trump. | ||
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For the sake of God's people. | |
| Get that catchphrase in there, of course. | ||
| Came in like a wrecking ball, etc. | ||
| So it's a divine intervention for the church. | ||
| So, you know, that's one catchphrase. | ||
| But in this next clip, they're going to start trying to sell his products. | ||
| And we find out another catchphrase that we've definitely heard Alex uses a lot. | ||
| Do you see now? | ||
| No, it's not that one. | ||
| See how that works? | ||
| See how that works? | ||
| Lance is claiming to have come up with this one as well. | ||
| And then this really becomes your prophetic intercessory prayer guide, because I listed the 11 predictions regarding Trump, this is before he was elected, regarding who he would be, what he would do, right on down to naming the fact that the media would enter a period called Trump derangement. | ||
| I was the one who coined the word. | ||
| That was me, before he was elected. | ||
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What? | |
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
|
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Oh, boy. | |
| So he coined Trump derangement syndrome, which is something that Alex and Paul Joseph Watson scream about all the time. | ||
| It's hot fire all over the right-wing media. | ||
| Do you know what's crazy? | ||
| What's that? | ||
| I was the one who actually invented Lock Her Up, and I really regret that. | ||
| I really regret that. | ||
| That was your bumper sticker that Alex saw at the Hillary for Prison? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Ah, shit. | ||
| But it was just for Roseanne. | ||
| Like, it was a bummer. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| So this is one of the many connections we have with Alex throughout this guy's belief. | ||
| You know, you have Trump is divinely inspired. | ||
| Alex believes that. | ||
| Right. | ||
| He says that. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Trump derangement syndrome. | ||
| What else have we got? | ||
| Being cool with Dinesh D'Souza. | ||
| Get her done. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So we're going to see more of that. | ||
| But before we get to that, he's got to sell. | ||
| So in that clip, he was selling the prayer guide that he's got. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's part of the package. | ||
| There's a bundle. | ||
| Man. | ||
| Prayer guide. | ||
| 90-minute lecture on DVD. | ||
| Gold coin. | ||
| Now, we're going to learn a little bit more about this gold coin in this next clip. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
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Oh, boy. | |
| And it starts bad. | ||
| It starts pretty bad. | ||
| I see what gets better from there. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I didn't say that. | ||
| I said it starts bad. | ||
| This coin. | ||
|
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Now. | |
| 24-karat gold plated. | ||
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Yes. | |
| After the Sanhedrin sent me a silver coin, I said, I know the president. | ||
| He wants gold. | ||
| It had to be gold, not silver. | ||
| So I went and we put the 24-karat gold plated so that we have the Trump-Cyrus image and Isaiah 45 in the back. | ||
| The reason I wanted to do this is because... | ||
| I was saying we have to have a point of contact. | ||
| We would have prayer calls, which we're going to have to do again with 50,000 people. | ||
| And what we need is a point of contact to be praying that the spirit of God will continue to put Donald Trump in a position where the wrecking ball is going to expose the infrastructure of the institutions that are corrupted and compromised. | ||
| That he's going to hit them as he's been doing. | ||
| And that every weapon formed against him will boomerang back and explode. | ||
| Expose the enemy. | ||
| So, there's a couple things that are real fucked up there. | ||
| I mean, the idea that he had like a silver coin, he's like, nah, Trump wants gold. | ||
| Yeah, and he's cool with that. | ||
| And Jim Baker is laughing about that story. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Which, like, I think, I just feel like... | ||
| There's a vanity to that. | ||
| There's something that is pretty against... | ||
| Which Jesus was super cool with. | ||
| Jesus loved vanity. | ||
| Well, I remember there was that story in the Bible. | ||
| This is just going to be two one-to-one, honestly. | ||
| The time when Bartholomew came and brought him a silver coin. | ||
| He slapped it out of his hand. | ||
| He said, I get gold. | ||
| That was a really interesting story. | ||
| It was a weird story. | ||
| Man, I want to know. | ||
| Jim Baker's laugh right there is such a fuck you. | ||
| That's a fuck you to his audience. | ||
| That's a fuck you to the people who believe in him. | ||
| That might as well be him spitting in their face and going, you'll still love me, you idiot. | ||
| You dumb fucks. | ||
| I'm telling you that God brought about this president who demands gold. | ||
| In the line with the teachings of Christ. | ||
| It's insane. | ||
| Amazing that he can do that so brazenly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's really a testament to how once you get people on board with X framework, you can make that framework, you can mold it however you want. | ||
| As long as you get people on board ostensibly for a Christian principle, you can go against that whenever you want. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| People are not going to hold your feet to the fire. | ||
| It is astonishing. | ||
| It is absolutely astonishing how they have twisted that. | ||
| And then it's the same thing with Alex Jones and all that shit. | ||
| The bombastic, dumbass nature of it attracts such a huge audience, and I don't understand why. | ||
| Well, there's another similarity, too, there with the... | ||
| In the past, he got everyone on board with this anti-tyranny, anti-New World Order, specifically anti-REX-84, FEMA camp, posse comitatus stuff, and then as you go along, you can change anything you want. | ||
| Because what's behind it isn't what is in front. | ||
| What you're presenting isn't what you're actually operating on. | ||
| Jim Baker wants your goddamn money. | ||
| And that's it? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And he found that religion is a really good way to get people's money. | ||
| He's not alone. | ||
| And now Trump is working real well for him in terms of the grift that he's on. | ||
| So if something about Trump directly contradicts something about religion, you're just going to be able to make it work. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Because he's God's messenger, you don't have to worry about what God ever said. | ||
| Look, the Bible, yes, is 100% true, and we should follow whatever Christ says. | ||
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But Trump is a new dude! | |
| No big deal! | ||
| And then, at the same token, you have Alex, who, like... | ||
| What he was about wasn't anti-tyranny or anything like that. | ||
| It was white identity that was behind everything. | ||
| He packaged it in such a way as to be very attractive and anti-tyranny, anti-New World Order. | ||
| And then as someone comes around... | ||
| And it's amazing. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And he even pulls the Sanhedrin into it. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And it's like a joke, but God, every single one of the people in that audience is getting peed on right now. | ||
| Every single one of them. | ||
| For what it's worth, they all look like retirees. | ||
| They're all pretty old. | ||
| When he asked if anybody's fasting, it was just slow hands raised. | ||
| I feel bad. | ||
| I don't want to make fun of the elderly, but the audience made me feel even more sad. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Anyway. | ||
| Yeah, he's tricking old people, too. | ||
| If you want to know why you shouldn't listen to this guy, this Lance, just listen to him. | ||
| I think you'll see why. | ||
| It's pretty obvious. | ||
| But, you know, this is a point that I don't think I've made clearly enough. | ||
| This is a religious show. | ||
| This is a Jim Baker's evangelical hour. | ||
| I thought it was an info bucket, Marshall. | ||
| I mean, it is behind the scenes. | ||
| But it's supposed to be a show about Christianity, a religiously focused program, and all of this has been political. | ||
| Mainly politics, yeah. | ||
| I haven't heard them quote scripture, or even like, hey, Jesus says this. | ||
| Well, there is a scripture on the back of the coin. | ||
| Oh, okay, well then never mind. | ||
| The magic coin that helps you connect with other people praying at the same time as you. | ||
| That's just enough Jesus for me, Dan. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| So when Lance Wall now comes in here and he's talking all this shit about politics, it's important to also take other context clues from things he's saying to see if you should listen to him. | ||
| And this one strikes me as like, oh, oh, okay, I'm not going to listen to you anymore. | ||
| Until Donald Trump came around, I really didn't have a civics lesson in my head. | ||
| I didn't know the difference between the DOJ, the FBI, the CIA. | ||
| I knew they were all part of government stuff. | ||
| I've got an education since he's been in office. | ||
| Because for the first time, I'm looking at media, media, you know. | ||
| I watch Christian television. | ||
| They've got secular. | ||
| Then I'm realizing every inch of ground that we haven't occupied is being occupied and weaponized to destroy us. | ||
| So what he's saying is that I didn't know anything about civics until Trump came in. | ||
| And then all of this propaganda that is so anti-deep state. | ||
| Type stuff came around, and I learned so much. | ||
| You didn't learn shit. | ||
| I would strongly argue that you still do not know anything about the DOJ, the FBI, the CIA, and any number of other things. | ||
| Do you know what's at play here? | ||
| It's the exact consequence of Trump being elected as played out by conservative right-wing media. | ||
| They are so only effective. | ||
| As antagonists. | ||
| They are only effective in terms of attacking and being under threat. | ||
| So as long as there's a Democrat in office or there is the presumption of Democratic control of Congress or the presidency, then they can attack and they can make all the money they want. | ||
| As soon as Congress and the presidency is in the hands of the Republicans, they cannot function anymore and therefore have to create an entirely new... | ||
| Bigger bad guy. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's the exact same problem that Heroes had after season one. | ||
| Like, you got Siler, and he's completely overpowered. | ||
| What are you going to do? | ||
| You've got to create some sort of other gigantic bad guy that mysteriously has been there all along and you just didn't know about. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| It's complete bullshit. | ||
| This is the strategy that the right-wing media needs to use, and this is what Lance Wallnau has learned. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Now, I have a second layer to this that makes this bullshit. | ||
| Like, he is one of the board members of the Oak Institute. | ||
| I do not believe that before Trump got in, he didn't have any understanding of some kind of civics. | ||
| Don't even worry about it. | ||
| It's about planting trees, Dan. | ||
| It's about planting trees. | ||
| He's trying to pretend that he hasn't been involved in this agitating, Islamophobic, anti-LGBTQ world previously to Donald Trump. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| This is what he's about. | ||
| It's just presenting it this way. | ||
| Probably because he knows a lot of other people didn't know shit about civics before, and he's validating that in them. | ||
| Yeah, I do think this is a manipulative strategy. | ||
| I'm just like you idiots out there. | ||
| I didn't know what the DOJ was. | ||
| At worst, it's a manipulative strategy. | ||
| it's evidence you shouldn't listen to him because he's just been suckling off the teat of right-wing propaganda and pretending that's learning. | ||
| So it's one of the two. | ||
| Either way, Get the fuck out. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| Lance, you suck. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, this next clip, we get a little bit of an indication of a similarity with Alex. | ||
| Just basically repeating one of Alex's big narratives on the Jim Baker show. | ||
| We are literally one market adjustment, without Trump in office, of a collapse of our entire economic system. | ||
| So we got a financial collapse. | ||
| Jesus Christ! | ||
| If Trump wasn't in there protecting us, everything would fall apart. | ||
| The globalists. | ||
| But he's not calling them globalists or anything. | ||
| Man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Boy, I really, really, really want to know what Bible these guys bring. | ||
| Like, one market adjustment is what you're talking about in what you're quote-unquote calling a church? | ||
| Yeah, it's pretty crazy. | ||
| Unreal. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Unreal. | ||
| And the Lord saith unto thee, you better protect your 401k and make sure that you start contributing at an early age. | ||
| That way the compound interest will make sure that you get... | ||
| What the fuck are you guys doing? | ||
| Yeah, it's pretty strange. | ||
| It's almost like... | ||
| You know, if Jesus were around, he would flip over Jim Baker's desk. | ||
| God, if Jesus were around, these dudes would be smitten. | ||
| These dudes would be smited. | ||
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Smited. | |
| Smote. | ||
| Is it smote? | ||
| I think it is. | ||
| So, obviously, there's apocalyptic feelings on the rise. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Even though they're winning or whatever. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| But the Antichrist is coming. | ||
| And also, that means that there's got to be a false prophet. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Right? | ||
| I mean, they work together, hand in hand. | ||
| Well, it turns out, Lance has done some thinking about it, and it seems like... | ||
| Well, I'll let him explain. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| It may not be a person. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I did one broadcast where I said, we know that the Antichrist spirit is in the earth, and we can see that. | ||
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Yes, he is. | |
| But the Antichrist has to work with the false prophet. | ||
| I no longer think the false prophet... | ||
| Is originating as a person heading up a religion. | ||
| I think the false prophet is already there. | ||
| I think the false prophet is a world ruler. | ||
| Just like if you see perversion, it's a world ruler. | ||
| It's the same spirit in Thailand and Bangkok and the sex slave industry as it is in Los Angeles. | ||
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What are we doing? | |
| A world ruler is the spirit called the false prophet and it's operating through false media right now. | ||
| Wow! | ||
| The false prophet is in the media preparing the way for the Antichrist spirit, which is a secular counterfeit angel of light that's going to deliver you. | ||
| That sounds a lot like Alex. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| The media is the false prophet. | ||
| That is bananas. | ||
| Yeah, the media is the false prophet that will bring about the Antichrist and herald the coming of the Antichrist. | ||
| So don't listen to the media. | ||
| They're just going to feed you to the Antichrist. | ||
| Don't listen to anything that's critical of us or our worldview or explain to you that we are fucking scamming you and misrepresenting everything. | ||
| Unreal. | ||
| Don't do that. | ||
| Don't listen to them. | ||
| They're fucking trying to bring about the end of the world and the destruction of the church. | ||
| I love that he's living, that they always live in like a Harry Potter, like everything is interpreted and it turns out to be like, oh, what we missed was when they said false prophet. | ||
| We thought he meant one person, but it actually is all the media. | ||
| It's a spirit that infests the media. | ||
| Yeah, like what the fuck are you talking about? | ||
| Get out of here. | ||
| Also, this fucking warmed up protocols of the elders of Zion bullshit. | ||
| Logically, it follows. | ||
| That if God is like, there's coming to be a false prophet, and he's going to convince everybody, that if you're like everybody, wouldn't the guy you think is not the false prophet be the false prophet? | ||
| I don't know if I understand exactly what you're saying. | ||
| I mean, it makes more sense for Trump to be the false prophet in their worldview. | ||
| Because he's the one that they think isn't. | ||
| No, no, no, because they're the cool, smart people who don't get fooled by the false prophet. | ||
| Yeah, but see, they aren't. | ||
| Well, but... | ||
| It's not like there's a ton in the Bible, either. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| In the Bible, there's like two dudes. | ||
| Well, they are those two dudes. | ||
| But there's all of them! | ||
| But dude, if the fucking false prophet can be all the media, those two dudes can be everybody. | ||
| Holy shit, that is a really good rebuttal. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I will give that one to you. | ||
| All you have to do is come up with the worst rebuttal possible, and it's like, oh, there you go. | ||
| That makes more sense than anything else. | ||
| That's how you get out of this box. | ||
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Yep. | |
| So, we've got... | ||
| Lance Wallnau being overtly political, though he knows nothing about civics. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Sanhedrin and gold coins. | ||
| He says that we got this world order that Trump is forming. | ||
| Love it. | ||
| And that should lead you to get the sense that maybe some geopolitics is going to come up. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And in this next clip, we hear a couple of people that this Wallnau is into. | ||
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Right. | |
| You know, we just met with the president of El Salvador, and he's a Christian. | ||
| He's actually wanting the grace and strength of God to come into his life. | ||
| What's really funny here is they flash up the picture of the former president of El Salvador. | ||
| Real crack steam over there. | ||
| Excellent. | ||
| The president of Brazil is a Christian who wants the strength and grace of God in his life. | ||
| God is raising up Cyrus rulers, four nations that are going to have unprecedented harvest and blessing coming to them. | ||
| We have one in office right now. | ||
| So he likes Bolsonaro. | ||
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Cool. | |
| Man, these guys are fucking insane. | ||
| They love authoritarians. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I'm surprised they didn't bring out Duterte as well in this one. | ||
| I think the block is too hot on Duterte. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| I think... | ||
| Oh, I'm sorry. | ||
| They might... | ||
| This was before Bolsonaro came out and was like, we should kill criminals in the streets. | ||
| I don't think that would affect... | ||
| I don't think so either. | ||
| Yeah, it's insane to me, this... | ||
| Consistency with which you see these right-wing weirdo figures who are super cool with Bolsonaro. | ||
| Love authoritarians. | ||
| It's insane. | ||
| But also, at the end there, he's talking about Cyrus presidents. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Cyrus leaders. | ||
| That's his big thing with Trump. | ||
| This coin, his gold coin, has a picture of King Cyrus and also Trump. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And his whole... | ||
| If I had to describe it... | ||
| So, in this booklet of his, he argues that 70 years before Cyrus did what he did, there was a prophecy. | ||
| I think Daniel gave a prophecy. | ||
| Then Cyrus came along and fulfilled that prophecy. | ||
| Sure! | ||
| Trump was elected 70 years after Israel was created, and so therefore, bada-bing, bada-boom, Trump is Cyrus. | ||
| That does it. | ||
| That does it for me. | ||
| That does it for me. | ||
| You got me on that one. | ||
| I wish I could explain it better, but as I was listening to him, I couldn't care. | ||
| Honestly, that makes as much sense as anything else. | ||
| Yeah, 70 years. | ||
| 70 years. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| So Bolsonaro and the current president of El Salvador are also Cyrus presidents. | ||
| And here's the thing that you need to understand. | ||
| There are sheep nations and goat nations. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Ooh, I remember this one. | ||
| This isn't good. | ||
| No. | ||
| This is pretty bad. | ||
| What Lance is about to lay out for us. | ||
| How's he going to pervert this little Bible hiccup? | ||
| Well, see, here's what you have to do. | ||
| You have to find a way to not care about most of the world. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| If you're going to support these sorts of authoritarian rulers, you have to brush off a lot of the world. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Most especially the meek. | ||
| They're going to inherit the earth, though. | ||
| You better watch out. | ||
| They're going to die, man. | ||
| That's what they're on. | ||
| If Trump and Bolsonaro have anything to say about it. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| So here is Lance laying out his philosophy about sheep and goat nations and who matters and who doesn't. | ||
| And it ultimately comes down to sheep and goat nations are being formed. | ||
| And Donald Trump is heading a very powerful new renaissance of nation states that are becoming sheep nations. | ||
| Wait, wait, wait. | ||
| Is that the world order? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| A new renaissance of nation states that are all, okay, careful. | ||
| Yep, global. | ||
| He's in office. | ||
| The system is stable. | ||
| And these nations are starting to rise. | ||
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So what's a sheep nation? | |
| What's the difference? | ||
| Sheep nation is a nation that as much as you've done to the least of these, my brethren. | ||
| That's the key. | ||
| Most people think my brethren. | ||
| That's the key word. | ||
| You've done unto me. | ||
| As much as you've done to the least of these, you've done unto me. | ||
| My brethren refers to the Jews who are his blood inheritance as their Messiah and his disciples. | ||
| When they knocked on the door when Jesus was teaching, they said, Master, your mother and your brothers are outside. | ||
| They want to talk to you. | ||
| He said, wait a second. | ||
| Who's my mother? | ||
| Who's my brethren? | ||
| stretching for Yes. | ||
| Goat nations will not molest or persecute the right of Israel and Christians to exist. | ||
| Goat nations will shut you down, lock you up, and steal your property. | ||
| So that's the distinction. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| I agree that states that suppress people's right to exercise their religion, that's not good. | ||
| They shouldn't do that. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I think that's an infringement on their human rights. | ||
| Yeah, like the United States. | ||
| That doesn't mean... | ||
| That their country doesn't matter. | ||
| No, it means that you can kill them with no consequences whatsoever. | ||
| Right, and Jesus is totally cool with that. | ||
| That's what Jesus was all about. | ||
| What you do to the least of these, that doesn't apply to countries that have restrictive religious rights. | ||
| Jesus was... | ||
| All about making sure people knew who could be killed whenever they wanted to. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| Jesus was like, hey, you guys are cool, and then let's kill all those guys. | ||
| I remember in the book of Bartholomew. | ||
| I love that book, by the way. | ||
| I'm just learning so much about it. | ||
| In 2,000 years. | ||
| Some real fucked up dudes are going to need excuses for an abuse of foreign policy. | ||
| And so I'm writing this book in order to explain all of the myriad ways in which you can justify your actions. | ||
| It is really amazing that you can turn what you do to the least of these you do unto me into a verse that's like... | ||
| And what he means by that is you can bomb Iran. | ||
| Duh! | ||
| Iran is less than the least of these. | ||
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Yeah, exactly. | |
| Fuck off. | ||
| Wow, dude. | ||
| That's amazing. | ||
| So now we jump back into another sales pitch for this here gold coin and the bundle. | ||
| And then we find that, again, there's a very strong feeling that this is a world order. | ||
| It's nuts to me that it's so overt. | ||
| Like, I don't care. | ||
| If he were to use this language in some context, I don't really give a shit. | ||
| If it weren't for it being the central argument of anti-communist New World Order conspiracy theorists, which this is an extension of. | ||
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Yep. | |
| If it weren't all about, like, hey, hey, Zbigniew Brzezinski said New World Order. | ||
| Hey, George H.W. Bush said New World Order. | ||
| We're going to make a career off it. | ||
| Trump said New World Order. | ||
| Love it! | ||
| I'm a globalist. | ||
| He didn't mean it. | ||
| He put the hand on the globe. | ||
| He was just doing it to trick the goat nations. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So here we go into this clip where we get some salesmanship and some stupidity. | ||
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Well, what we need to do is order this bundle right now. | |
| I'm just telling you, everyone needs this bundle. | ||
| What we call the Cyrus Trump Bundle DVD 24-karat gold-plated Trump coin and the booklet for just a gift of $45. | ||
| I love that because, of course, of Isaiah 45. God, you guys are the worst. | ||
| An incredible value. | ||
| Just discover the prophetic patterns in this lesson. | ||
| So that the hidden truth in the Bible that explains the rise of Donald Trump, he brings it all out. | ||
| And the Cyrus, and then what's next? | ||
| What's coming next? | ||
| That's what's so powerful. | ||
| And that's what you're saying. | ||
| I'm telling you, man, there's a global revival. | ||
| God has a plan. | ||
| There is a global revival, but it's not separated from nations. | ||
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Right. | |
| We want revival without nations. | ||
| The devil's playing for nations, and Jesus was promised nations for his inheritance. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Is this no borders kind of thing? | ||
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Oh, God. | |
| Wait, wait, wait. | ||
| I can't handle this. | ||
| I can't handle this. | ||
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Oh, God. | |
| That's right. | ||
| Now, we also have other bundles. | ||
| Three for $100. | ||
| What? | ||
| Three of the Cyrus Trump bundle DVD. | ||
| That's too good a deal. | ||
| 24-carat gold play Trump coins and the booklet for just a gift of $100. | ||
| That's an amazing value. | ||
| Now that I'm not me, it's kind of sinking into me right now. | ||
| That is incredible. | ||
| And we also have the baker's dozen, $13 for a gift of just $450 to the ministry, which is the same thing. | ||
| You'll get the gold plate coin. | ||
| I love this coin so much. | ||
| And the DVD and the booklet. | ||
| You'll love it, love it, love it. | ||
| And I suggest... | ||
| You get the baker's dozen simply because you're going to want to share this with so many people. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| And I personally would share it with my pastor, whether he just maybe... | ||
| I think the pastors would like it. | ||
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I think so, too. | |
| And I think it would help open their eyes and give them clarity. | ||
| Lance has really brought clarity, even to Jim and myself. | ||
| That's not good. | ||
| That is so insidious. | ||
| It is. | ||
| We know exactly what they're doing. | ||
| If we can get the pastors, we get their congregations. | ||
| Well, I don't think they'll have much luck with a lot of pastors. | ||
| No. | ||
| I think most... | ||
| I actually disagree with you 100%. | ||
| I don't think that's fair. | ||
| I think there are a lot of congregations where they're keenly aware of who Jim Baker is. | ||
| I agree with you there. | ||
| Because this is not... | ||
| Jim Baker is not indicative of... | ||
| I would say a majority of Christianity. | ||
| No, I agree with you. | ||
| That's unfair. | ||
| I agree with you. | ||
| And I don't think you were saying that. | ||
| I just want to be overt with that. | ||
| Lest somebody think that we're trying to paint Christianity as a whole like this. | ||
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Right. | |
| It's not. | ||
| But I do agree with you that that is part of a strategy that they're angling for. | ||
| Yeah, that's an MLM, basically. | ||
| That's what they're going for. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| That's fair. | ||
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Or... | |
| Let's say, I don't know, maybe you have a grandchild that you're alienated from and you don't talk to all that often, but you want to evangelize too passive-aggressively. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Get the baker's dozen, you could send them this gold coin and booklet. | ||
| I gave them a gift of $450 to give you a gift of this bullshit. | ||
| It reminds me of a lot of the gifts my Mennonite grandparents would send me when I was young. | ||
| Two years. | ||
| Two years. | ||
| This is still fresh. | ||
| Not back-to-back years, even. | ||
| Grover Cleveland's two non-consecutive gifts. | ||
| I can't remember if it was Christmas or my birthday, but the gift that I got from them was a book that was a tour guide of heaven. | ||
| It legitimately was like... | ||
| I was scrolling through the pages. | ||
| This is the room where you get to say the N-word. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I was flipping through the pages and one of them was like, people often ask, are there actually going to be gold streets in heaven? | ||
| Absolutely there are. | ||
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Twice. | |
| They gave me that book twice. | ||
| This grift is the tale as old as time. | ||
| Are there pools in heaven? | ||
| Of course there are. | ||
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Child, they're just as deep as you want them to be. | |
| And there are diving boards, unless you're afraid of diving boards, in which case there won't be. | ||
| But nobody can fuck! | ||
| I was shocked when I got that once. | ||
| And then when I got it a second time, I was like, they're not even trying. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| They might have bought a baker's dozen. | ||
| It took me a long time to realize that it's possible they got these from their church or local Christian bookstore, but it's just as likely that they got it from something like this. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Maybe not Jim Baker himself, but some similar fraud. | ||
| Well, when we're talking about the majority of Christianity, to me, what that's always meant is a church in a town with anywhere from 30 to 100 people. | ||
| That's always been what I've thought of as a church, probably because of my experience. | ||
| The 30 to 100 is in the church, not the town, right? | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Just making sure. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| But the reason that it's hard to get that image... | ||
| Or maintain that image now is because the largest churches are like Jim Baker. | ||
| A lot of megachurches. | ||
| Or like the Copeland. | ||
| Yeah, ones that are like almost franchised. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| The seed faith guys. | ||
| There's so many people in those and they're so big. | ||
| And they're very public. | ||
| Like you see them a lot as opposed to, like you don't see the good churches. | ||
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No. | |
| Because often they're not getting mixed up in stuff that the media needs to cover. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Because they're not doing fucked up things. | ||
| Yeah, they're just like, hey, we're trying to be a good group of people. | ||
| There definitely is. | ||
| I mean, the statistics bear out that there's way more than you would expect support among the evangelical Christians of Trump. | ||
| Oh, it's like 89%. | ||
| It's insane. | ||
| But that is even, like... | ||
| Who's calling themselves evangelical and what is that? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| That factor is in there. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I just think, like, in my life I've had a lot of negative experiences with church, but I've also had positive ones. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| So, like, it's not... | ||
| It would be... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I'm not trying to defend Christianity or anything other than to say, like, I think there's a lot of great... | ||
| Christianity. | ||
| It gets a bad name because of a lot of this shit. | ||
| I will never, ever defend Christianity or appreciate it. | ||
| I will always defend churches, though. | ||
| To me, the church, you know, you can pick a religion. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| Toss it in there, but the church is what is a whole different story. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| The community that is there. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Is each unique. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, in this next clip. | ||
| Oh, God, I love this clip. | ||
| This clip. | ||
| Is so dumb. | ||
| So, you know how Paul Joseph Watson, like, says embarrassing things all the time? | ||
| Like, he says, you know, the right wing's getting more good, better at comedy. | ||
| It makes people nervous. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| As earlier in this show, we've seen that this guy is killing it with Jim Baker. | ||
| Oh, that audience. | ||
| Killing it. | ||
| Murdering. | ||
| Loving it. | ||
| That's one of the more embarrassing things Paul Joseph Watson has said that everyone's just dunked on him for. | ||
| One of the other things is conservatism is the new counterculture. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So Lance, in this next clip, takes that ball and he runs down court with it. | ||
| Tries to dunk. | ||
| Hits the rim. | ||
| Just falls. | ||
| Let's see how it goes. | ||
| He breaks his neck when he falls down. | ||
| Game is cancelled. | ||
| The ground opens up and he's swallowed into hell. | ||
| Might as well. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| But what's good about this is the fact that young people like to be counter... | ||
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Yes. | |
| And so now that the culture has become counter to us, it's our turn to enjoy being radicals. | ||
| So up until now, we've been the polite people. | ||
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That's right. | |
| Now we have a whole new chapter where we get to be the free radical. | ||
| And college campuses are a perfect incendiary environment for a couple of bold, young Christians to start gathering together. | ||
| And we're doing that now. | ||
| We're mobilizing youth on campuses, and they like to be the radicals. | ||
| That's a good sign right now. | ||
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That is a good sign. | |
| Order now, though, before the time. | ||
| We're totally out of time. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| I love how the co-host was trying to get a question in there, and Jim steamrolls him. | ||
| We're out of time. | ||
| We're out of time. | ||
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Let's go. | |
| Sell some shit. | ||
| We can't be doing this shit. | ||
| You dumbass question. | ||
| This is quite reminiscent of George Lincoln Rockwell's strategy of antagonizing on campuses. | ||
| Also, this is what I really, really need to say. | ||
| In the entire time that I have been aware of Christianity, which is to say my whole life, and I was involved in an evangelical church when I was younger, there is nothing that was a bigger part of keeping kids involved than to argue that they were the radicals. | ||
| Oh yeah, absolutely. | ||
| Like DC Talk had that big song, Jesus Freak. | ||
| I'm out here, I'm rebellious. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I do not think... | ||
| Okay, also, also. | ||
| Every single time there's been a counterculture, there is never a version of it that's going to be like, you know what? | ||
| We should be way more conservative. | ||
| The counterculture is always going the other direction. | ||
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Because even if... | |
| The culture at large. | ||
| Even if we're to accept the premise that the culture at large is degenerate. | ||
| It's all full of sin. | ||
| Yeah, sure. | ||
| The counterculture to that will not be... | ||
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Straight-laced Christianity? | |
| Right. | ||
| It will instead be way more of that shit. | ||
| Or a refinement of it. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| There will be some sort of... | ||
| I guess you could argue in some ways ethical non-monogamy is kind of a counterculture to promiscuity. | ||
| Yeah, that's a good way of putting it. | ||
| There's a refinement that goes on that is in opposition to whatever the prevailing cultural tide was. | ||
| The idea that anybody in their youth, well not anybody, but large groups of people in their youth are going to be like, you know what? | ||
| You know how I'm going to be anti-conformity? | ||
| I'm going to appeal to a ridiculously conformist worldview. | ||
| That's not how that works. | ||
| It is the conundrum of the youth pastor. | ||
| The youth pastor who is... | ||
| 30 years old and he's hanging out with a bunch of teenagers and he's got the guitar. | ||
| He's doing the whole thing. | ||
| He's like, look, I know you go to that regular church and that old guy is up there reading those Bible verses or whatever, but what if we just sang some hip new tunes by the Beach Boys? | ||
| Let's get into it. | ||
| That's why my youth pastor insisted on singing Meet Virginia all the time. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Still don't understand exactly why that was played in church. | ||
| The crazier ones now are bananas to me because now it's the next step of that. | ||
| So it's the youth pastor who's 30 years old and he's tatted up beyond all recognition. | ||
| And he's like, man. | ||
| I used to do some weird shit when I was younger, but then I found God and I don't need heroin anymore! | ||
| It's like, oh, fuck off. | ||
| And then all the tattoos are suspiciously biblical references. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Wait, are you making up that heroin pass? | ||
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Since you were nine, you've been getting tattoos with Isaiah 1410 on it? | |
| You got a Trump Cyrus tattoo? | ||
| Yeah, all he has to do is press it, and then he can talk to God and everybody who has the coin. | ||
| Also, the other thing, too, is that this idea of these Christian youths going around on campuses and being incendiary, that's not new. | ||
| No. | ||
| I was in school, in college, in early 2000s. | ||
| And one of the hallmarks of my goddamn college experience, because you couldn't get away from it, was Brother Jed, the evangelist who would sit and yell at people on campus all the time. | ||
| He would make the rounds to tons of colleges around the Midwest, and he wasn't the only one. | ||
| There were a bunch of these pastors. | ||
| I've heard from... | ||
| I talked about this on the show one time. | ||
| I got a bunch of emails from people who were either also knew Brother Jed and didn't go to Mizzou, or their campus had their own version of it. | ||
| It's very consistent. | ||
| It's a strategy that's been employed for a long time. | ||
| This isn't anything new. | ||
| Maybe... | ||
| You're trying to trick kids into doing it instead of an old angry man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But it's not new. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| There was a dude who was, I remember in my freshman year of college, who would just come around and he would just grab people who... | ||
| He thought had drifted from the faith or whatever, and he'd be like, let's go have a cup of coffee sometime. | ||
| Let's just go get a cup of coffee sometime. | ||
| That whole thing over and over and over again. | ||
| Brother Jed would invite people to his house for a dinner. | ||
| Yes! | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| At least my guy wasn't that creepy. | ||
| He knew we need to go to a neutral space. | ||
| A buddy of mine was almost like, he's like, I think I might go over and just see what's up. | ||
| I'm like, don't do that. | ||
| I don't think he did. | ||
| I think I talked him out of it, if I recall. | ||
| Grabbing his arms and tying them and holding them down. | ||
| Resist the sirens! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So we have one last clip here. | ||
| And we're getting back to the sheep and goat nation idea. | ||
| And earlier I said, you know, he's talking a lot like Alex, but he's not saying globalists. | ||
| Uh-oh. | ||
| Those sheep nations that are rising up, their leaders are less about party and they're more about the people. | ||
| And bringing in the prosperity and the principles that will make a nation great. | ||
| This is a populist movement. | ||
| The enemy hates that. | ||
| The globalists versus the populists is what you're starting to see now. | ||
| Globalists want to control. | ||
| By the way, if socialism happens, it doesn't necessarily go bad for those people that are the elites. | ||
| Because at the end of the day, the government will tell you what you do and what you don't do. | ||
| And these elites already have influence over the government. | ||
| God, are you fucking with me? | ||
| God damn it, man! | ||
| That might as well have been a guest on Alex's show. | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| Especially because he's literally describing why he's fine with supporting Trump. | ||
| He's like, because, yeah, he's going to create this nationalist hellscape dystopia, but I'm going to be fine because I already have influence over him. | ||
| God damn! | ||
| Damn it! | ||
| These people are fucking with us! | ||
| All these people really want is to continue their grift and people having more, let's say, left-leaning policies and regulations coming into favor jeopardizes some of their grifts. | ||
| I would assume that they are very aware of that and they want to keep away from any possibility of that ever coming to pass. | ||
| Secondarily, especially on this show, Yep. | ||
| laws in place that you can discriminate against people based on them being different in a way that they're against. | ||
| They want that. | ||
| They want to be able to just I mean, if I want to do politics from the pulpit, I'm going to fucking do it. | ||
| If I want to try and create a political machine in a small town based around my church... | ||
| I still want to have tax-exempt status. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| I've got to have tax-exempt status because I'm running on these margins. | ||
| They want to protect the business, the scam, and they want to move things closer to... | ||
| An authoritarian in line with God. | ||
| And that's what the populist scams. | ||
| Not God in line with them. | ||
| And that's what they think God is. | ||
| Well, it's not even that. | ||
| It's using God as a trick. | ||
| Because it's not real. | ||
| Well, because it's the same thing as the populist trick that they're doing. | ||
| They're in line with the people. | ||
| They're not in a party. | ||
| All that window dressing, that facade that they're putting up, is the same thing that they're doing with religion. | ||
| To protect their scam, they hide it with religion, and they're very successful in doing that. | ||
| To hide their authoritarianism and fascism, they hide behind the populism. | ||
| We're against globalists. | ||
| Socialism will wreck everything. | ||
| We're against globalists, even though we are going to bring out a new global world order. | ||
| A world order we're establishing. | ||
| But we're not globalists. | ||
| We're nationalists functioning within a global world order. | ||
| Now, we're not going to be involved in borders. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| No borders. | ||
| We don't need borders in the global world order that we've built. | ||
| So that's a little different than Alex, but the rest of it is very in line. | ||
| It is worth noting every now and again, I believe, that a lot of this is all cribbing from the same notes. | ||
| There's so many parallels. | ||
| What you hear here is a guy who, if you believe his telling of it, had no idea about any civics before Trump got elected, then took a steady diet of religious and right-wing media and has come to this conclusion that he's come to, and he's just regurgitating the exact same things as Alex, but giving them a religious presentation. | ||
| And Alex does too. | ||
| So I guess they're not really that different at all. | ||
| But what they're doing... | ||
| Slightly different. | ||
| But they're targeting different audiences. | ||
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Yes. | |
| No, and that's the thing that I am... | ||
| That's the thing about the right-wing media that's so brilliant that I think they stumbled onto probably by accident. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Is they have the best SEO. | ||
| Because they all agree with each other. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| But they tailor their message to, like, this is for retirees. | ||
| Alex is trying to get, like, well, I mean, not anymore necessarily, but there was, like, his original use in the market was trying to co-opt some left-wing people and libertarians. | ||
| It's all focused on whatever corner of the market you can do to penetrate it with this. | ||
| Exact same worldview. | ||
| And that's why the YouTube algorithm has killed us all. | ||
| Because you watch one of these videos from Jim Baker and you're like, haha, that's stupid. | ||
| I'm not a religious wacko. | ||
| But YouTube is like, well, you watched this dumb religious wacko. | ||
| Let's see if you were into Alex Jones. | ||
| And then now you're like, well, this is what I'm into and it's the same shit. | ||
| I'm still getting recommendations for David J. Smith's sermon. | ||
| Good luck, Dan. | ||
| I did that to myself. | ||
| You're going to be a believer here soon. | ||
| Speaking of good luck, good luck on your vacation. | ||
| Thank you very much, Dan. | ||
| Have a great time over there, and goddammit. | ||
| I can't think. | ||
| Do they have kangaroos over there? | ||
| No. | ||
| Kangaroos are in Australia. | ||
| That's right. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I can't think of an animal that's over there. | ||
| The big one that we're going to is literally a giraffe. | ||
| Give me one of them. | ||
| I will get you a giraffe. | ||
| Give me a baby giraffe. | ||
| I will get you a baby giraffe. | ||
| Steal me a baby giraffe. | ||
| I already promised to kick a baby giraffe in the knee. | ||
| Or just bring me back some candy. | ||
| I was going to do that anyways. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Good. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We'll be back. | ||
| I mean, there will be some episodes with us over the vacation, and I'll be back with some other fun. | ||
| But until then, Jordan, we've got a website. | ||
| We do. | ||
| It's knowledgefight.com. | ||
| Correct. | ||
| You could also find us on Twitter. | ||
| You bet you can. | ||
| It's at knowledge underscore fight and at go to bed Jordan. | ||
| Yes, and we are on Facebook. | ||
| Yes, indeed. | ||
| We are also on the iTunes. | ||
| You could download. | ||
| You could leave a review. | ||
| You could, well, you could buy a 24-garit gold-plated coin with Dan's face on it. | ||
| It was going to be silver, but I said gold. | ||
| Dan is only about the gold. | ||
| Put it between your two fingers and you'll be able to listen to every one of our episodes. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
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Yep. | |
| So we will see you next time. | ||
| But until then, I have been the Jesus Lizard. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
| Hello, Alex. | ||
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I'm a first-time caller. | |
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your work. |