Today, Dan and Jordan set out to check in on what Alex Jones was up to on the day after the 4th of July, the day after his predictions of "antifa chemical warfare" failed to materialize. Weirdly, they don't find Alex apologizing for spreading stupid fear, they find him getting super mystical and talking to a guy who likes to pretend he's in the Illuminati.
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| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your work. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Hey, everybody. | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
| I'm Jordan. | ||
| We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Indeed we are, Dan. | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| Dan! | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| How do you feel about international competitions? | ||
| Do you root for the United States? | ||
| You know, like in the Olympics? | ||
| Not always, but I'm always thrilled when the United States does well. | ||
| Especially when it's camaraderie-based. | ||
| It's not like... | ||
| Crushing other countries. | ||
| When it doesn't feel like war, I can always feel a little bit of national pride. | ||
| But I remember when I was younger, I guess, I don't know what years it would have been, but it was around when Thierry Henry and Zinedine Zidane were around. | ||
| I was a fan of the French. | ||
| I liked the French. | ||
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I don't know why. | |
| I think my brother was into the French team. | ||
| He was much more into soccer than I was. | ||
| I think I kind of took a little bit by osmosis from him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then I studied French in high school, so I always had a little bit of a little je ne sais quoi about the culture and a little connection. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| I was a Francophile. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So I could cheer for them even if they were against the United States. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| I could see myself... | ||
| Endorsing another team. | ||
| I'm not, you know, I'm not one of these USA or bust guys, but I also appreciate it. | ||
| I know you're bringing this up because the women's... | ||
| They won! | ||
| Yeah, congratulations. | ||
| Yeah, I feel very thrilled for our country and the women's team. | ||
| Congratulations on a back-to-back, man. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| That's great. | ||
| I remember, I don't watch... | ||
| Football at all. | ||
| Soccer or football? | ||
| Yes, soccer. | ||
| Actually, I don't watch either anymore. | ||
| But I got so into the 2015 Women's National Team World Cup win. | ||
| It was intense. | ||
| And so ever since then, I watch the shit out of women's soccer internationally when I can. | ||
| I would say that probably this is a little bit... | ||
| It's not fucked up, but it's weird to admit. | ||
| Probably the sport I watch most is pro wrestling. | ||
| I don't even watch a ton of pro wrestling anymore or regularly, but the little amount of other sports I watch is eclipsed. | ||
| You're not a huge sports guy. | ||
| I don't know if there's a ton of international competition in pro wrestling. | ||
| Unless it's in Saudi Arabia. | ||
| That Iran... | ||
| Jordan versus Saudi Arabia thing was not well played. | ||
| Yeah, that wasn't great. | ||
| Poorly done, WWE. | ||
| So, Jordan, this is a podcast where I know a lot about international competition and Alex Jones. | ||
| And I only know a lot about the first one, second one not so much. | ||
| Jordan, today we have a very interesting episode to go over. | ||
| We are going to be talking about July 5th, 2019, which is a present-day episode. | ||
| I want to say one thing very clearly. | ||
| I have gotten a lot of feedback from listeners that are expressing a sentiment that this is too much Alex Jones in a row. | ||
| We need a wacky Wednesday break. | ||
| And I empathize. | ||
| And you've gotten that from me. | ||
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Yes, absolutely. | |
| Listeners and you and the voice in my head. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| I understand that and I feel it. | ||
| I absolutely do. | ||
| One of the considerations, though, is that there's a lot going on in Alex's world right now. | ||
| It takes a lot of attention. | ||
| That's required. | ||
| You've got to focus on this stuff. | ||
| One of the other issues is that it's a time suck. | ||
| Like, if I check in on something as a potential Wacky Wednesday thing, and I listen to, like, two hours of somebody talk, and, like, this isn't good, this doesn't work, then that's two hours lost. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And that has happened a bunch. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, when we have a schedule like we do. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's very difficult to fit that stuff in. | ||
| And I empathize. | ||
| Today is a Modern Day Alex episode, but it'll be also a hybrid Wacky Wednesday episode. | ||
| Excellent. | ||
| So I think that will be satisfying for some people. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And it'll all become very clear what I mean as we get into this. | ||
| But before we do, Jordan. | ||
| I've got to take a moment to say thank you to the people who have signed up and are supporting the show. | ||
| I really appreciate it, and I completely forgot to give any shout-outs on the last episode. | ||
| Yeah, I noticed that halfway through, and I couldn't bring it up. | ||
| So we're behind. | ||
| First, Andrew, thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you, Andy. | ||
| Thank you, Andrew. | ||
| Next, Candace, thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you, Candy. | ||
| Thank you, Candace. | ||
| Next, Spencer, thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you, Spence. | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| Thanks, Spence. | ||
| Next, Zach. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you, Space Command. | ||
| Could be. | ||
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Could be. | |
| Could be Alex's secret source. | ||
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Could be. | |
| Then finally, I'd say thank you to somebody who donated on an elevated level. | ||
| We appreciate it very much. | ||
| So, Drew, thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a technocrat. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Crikey, mate. | ||
| That's fantastic. | ||
| Have yourself a brew. | ||
| How's your 401k doing, bro? | ||
| All right, we got to go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, all right? | ||
| Let's just get down to business. | ||
| We ain't making that money off that heroin. | ||
| Why are you pimps so good? | ||
| My neck is freakishly large. | ||
| I declare Infowar on you. | ||
| Thank you so much, Drew. | ||
| Thank you very much, Drew. | ||
| If you're out there listening and you're thinking, hey, I'd like to support the show, I like what these guys do, please feel free to do so by going to our website, knowledgefight.com. | ||
| There's a button that says support the show. | ||
| We would appreciate it. | ||
| It would be lovely. | ||
| So, Jordan, July 5th, 2019, day after the 4th. | ||
| Day after Independence Day, we've already got tanks rolling through the Capitol. | ||
| Alex had predicted that Antifa was going to commit chemical warfare against all manner of conservatives. | ||
| If you're out there with your kids, they're going to blind them. | ||
| They did say that, yes. | ||
| With magical milkshakes. | ||
| Right. | ||
| None of that has come to pass. | ||
| We're recording this on Sunday, and there was a whole weekend of nonsensical bullshit, so if something pops off tonight, don't blame us for not knowing about it. | ||
| It's in the future from when we're recording. | ||
| But the 4th of July predictions that Alex had did not come true at all. | ||
| Surprisingly. | ||
| So he's got to kind of take a different approach when he comes in. | ||
| Well, everything I said before the fourth is wrong, so... | ||
| He has to kind of ignore that that was a legitimate prediction and fear he was trying to stoke in people. | ||
| And so instead of focusing on how wrong he was, he decides, I am going to go fucking hard about how great Trump's speech was on the fourth. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| And here is him introducing the theme that's going to develop throughout this episode. | ||
| Ladies and gentlemen, we are broadcasting worldwide on July 5th, 2019. | ||
| I am your host, Alex Jones. | ||
| Last night, I watched Trump's speech when they re-aired it on C-SPAN. | ||
| C-SPAN. | ||
| And it was very powerful and a confirmation of just how far we're going as a culture and a society against the globalists. | ||
| And this was an exorcism. | ||
| Against the New World Order and against the America-hating systems that want to demoralize us. | ||
| This was a very Christian, very Americana, pure Western Renaissance moment. | ||
| This was absolutely amazing. | ||
| I am so honored by it all. | ||
| Really? | ||
| That we've come this far together. | ||
| And I know a lot of you are very, very happy right now. | ||
| This is a big deal. | ||
| It's totally triggering the globalist. | ||
| There's no way today... | ||
| We're going to even be able to do justice to this. | ||
| I'm going to do a whole special 36-hour broadcast we've decided, kicking off next Wednesday. | ||
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Cool. | |
| Just to dissect this speech and go over until we move 1776 worldwide. | ||
| It's all coming up at the start of the next segment. | ||
| But first, proof Democrats hate America and want civil war compared to what we're trying to do. | ||
| Here it is. | ||
| Okay, so I guess there is still a little bit of a civil war. | ||
| It certainly de-escalated in terms of the immediacy of it. | ||
| They're coming to kill all of us! | ||
| Well, they didn't, but have you heard this speech? | ||
| It was an exorcism! | ||
| It was an exorcism! | ||
| Trump is a witch! | ||
| I must exorcise the demons! | ||
| Yeah, so that's kind of the vibe that Alex is going to be putting out, is that Trump was presiding over some sort of a... | ||
| A pseudo-pagan Christian ritual in order to exercise the anti-American forces. | ||
| All right, all right. | ||
| It's really fucked up if you consider, like, if you just take a step back and you forget about the fact that Alex has had the career he's had. | ||
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Right. | |
| He's presumably someone who's read things. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| He's legitimately up here saying Trump is doing magic. | ||
| If you just strip away all the other stuff, it's like, all right, man. | ||
| Yeah, you know what? | ||
| I think in that regard, he really does agree with Trump. | ||
| Because I'm guessing Trump thinks he's up there doing magic, too. | ||
| I think that Trump would probably not believe it as literally as Alex is presenting. | ||
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I don't know. | |
| Like, I got the magic in me, or something like that. | ||
| At this point, I don't know, man. | ||
| All bets are off. | ||
| Yeah, who knows. | ||
| So, in this next clip, Alex brings up one of the reasons that he believes that Trump and Melania were aware. | ||
| That this was a magical ritual they were conducting. | ||
| All right. | ||
| And that is that they were super emotional. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| The C-SPAN 2 shot was a different mix of cameras. | ||
| It was closer up on Melania and Trump's faces. | ||
| And I've got to get that. | ||
| I need those faces. | ||
| I need them. | ||
| Because Trump almost broke down crying three times. | ||
| And you could see him gulping back. | ||
| Never seen his body language. | ||
| Melania was on fire. | ||
| She did get lit on fire. | ||
| Like some angelic queen and was radiating Americana and the love of the country and they know exactly what they're doing. | ||
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This is silly. | |
| This is literally a ritual. | ||
| Bringing Christianity back into America and love of our nation and love of our people in unity, the exact opposite of what the globalists are saying and what the globalists... | ||
| Are doing. | ||
| I watched some of the videos that Alex was pointing to where he's like, Trump is about to cry. | ||
| He just looks confused. | ||
| He's a confused old man! | ||
| But that's the Rorschach test that is Trump's face. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Alex can see almost crying. | ||
| I can see sundowning. | ||
| Yeah, right, right, right. | ||
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It's all kind of similar visually. | |
| You know, when I think angelic... | ||
| Beauty and love towards America, I think of a woman who wore a jacket that said, I don't care, on the back of it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's what I think of. | ||
| Nothing is more godly than not giving a shit about the death of the poor. | ||
| Alex might think that is Americana. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| That actually might be true. | ||
| So he might not be internally inconsistent. | ||
| I can find no evidence of them crying. | ||
| There might have been something that appeared to be tears, but that might have been the rain. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I find this, like, before the clip started, you said this is flimsy. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Flimsy. | ||
| Flimsy as shit. | ||
| A light way of putting it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But, I mean, Alex really goes hard on this, this narrative. | ||
| It is all a religious ritual, and he just beats it into his audience's head. | ||
| I saw... | ||
| Not a power trip. | ||
| Not someone loving that crowd of people there, but I saw Trump in the office of president with his wife, turning the tide with all those people together in a huge ritual. | ||
| I'm going to go with the first two. | ||
| The headlines on Infowars.com, Trump successfully performs exorcism. | ||
| Against the globalists and the left. | ||
| In fact, let's pull up the exact headline if we can. | ||
| So this is crazy on a couple levels. | ||
| Because the first thing is Alex is reporting that this was an exorcism against the left. | ||
| And then the second thing that's crazy is that it's now being reported as successful. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So not only is this a magical ritual, but it worked. | ||
| But how would you know it worked? | ||
| Especially on the fifth. | ||
| I would say if you're just making it up. | ||
| I would say that that's a pretty good way you could be confident in your reporting. | ||
| Well, I mean, maybe what he's saying is that they were demon-possessed, and now everybody that was a globalist was woken up. | ||
| Show me one person. | ||
| Janet Reno? | ||
| I don't know if she's a globalist. | ||
| I mean, I'm sure she is. | ||
| Why did I protest? | ||
| So one of the things that Alex is talking about being these... | ||
| Forces that need exercising, he gets into them a little bit. | ||
| And this is probably the only point of the episode that I think is like, this isn't what I want to cover. | ||
| The rest of this is going to be really fun, but he's got to yell about Drag Queen story time and Pride Parade a little bit. | ||
| And I only even include these clips because of a specific thing that he's saying about them that I think needs to be... | ||
| You know, push back on a little bit. | ||
| Otherwise, it would just be like, hey, he's talking shit again. | ||
| Let's ignore it. | ||
| I have scores of articles with them now admitting that at Drag Queen Storytime, sponsored by Nambla, children are mounted on top men and hump the men. | ||
| What? | ||
| We have videos and photos of this. | ||
| At Gay Pride Parades, they hump children now. | ||
| He's just making this up. | ||
| Drag Queen Storytime is not sponsored by Nambla. | ||
| I would be surprised if Nambla sponsors anything in 20-fucking-19. | ||
| Yeah, I don't think they even, other than Jeffrey Epstein's defense team. | ||
| Yeah, they don't exist as an actual organization that has any real formal structure to it at all. | ||
| Yeah, who's the CEO of Nambla, Dan? | ||
| There might actually be somebody. | ||
| That might actually exist. | ||
| That might? | ||
| They don't have a CFO, I'll tell you that right now. | ||
| Probably not. | ||
| So Alex there at the end is saying that they just grew up kids at Pride. | ||
| And I was like, that's really fucked up. | ||
| I don't think that's true. | ||
| And I was wondering where he was getting this from. | ||
| And he gives me a clue in this next clip. | ||
| We have videos and photos of this. | ||
| At Gay Pride parades, they hump children now. | ||
| And you're like, well, that's insane. | ||
| In Europe, they have sex with the children in public. | ||
| And so many of them did it just two weeks ago at gay pride parades in two European cities. | ||
| The police couldn't do anything because it was mayors and others openly having sex with the children in mass rebellion. | ||
| I really don't think that's true. | ||
| You don't? | ||
| I really don't think that's true. | ||
| Oh, that's interesting. | ||
| I think I would have heard more about that if two European cities had mayor's fucking kids outside. | ||
| Yeah, that's a completely made-up thing Alex is saying to demonize the LGBTQ community. | ||
| It's become an incredibly common occurrence on this show to hear Alex say shit like this that's just completely not true, but it hits the ear fresh and offensive nonetheless because of the scale of what he's lying about. | ||
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Alex is repeating talking points from the far-right in the fascist smear campaign coming out of Europe, which these attacks have been directed against the LGBTQ community in recent weeks. | |
| This traces back to the LGBTQ community. | ||
| to backlash from a recent pride parade held in Warsaw. | ||
| And as we discussed in the episode where we covered Stefan Molyneux going to Poland to become a white nationalist, Warsaw and Poland is not the chillest place in the world right now for non-heterosexual white dudes. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Jaroslaw Kaczynski, the head of the Law and Justice Party and the power behind the Polish president at the moment, he has labeled the LGBTQ rights movement a foreign import and a threat. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Just before the Pride Parade, a far-right journalist from Poland called for people to shoot on LGBTQ activists. | ||
| That's not good. | ||
| But he was quick to point out that he didn't mean it literally, and then he compared Pride Parade organizers to Nazis. | ||
| According to the Independent, quote, some town council leaders have also made a point of saying that their municipality is LGBT-free in recent months. | ||
| There is a real... | ||
| Negative trend that you're seeing from the far-right in Poland. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| The environment in Poland is not good from a political perspective right now. | ||
| From articles that I've read and information I've found, it does appear that socially the population is trending towards greater acceptance and support for LGBTQ folk, but that's caused a harsh backlash from the far-right ruling party. | ||
| That's a surprise! | ||
| Part of that backlash has been attacking Warsaw Mayor Rafal Roszkowski. | ||
| For participating in the Warsaw Pride Parade and for saying, quote, not everyone has to go to equality parade, but everyone should respect minority rights. | ||
| It's really important for me that Warsaw be open and Warsaw be tolerant. | ||
| That is a sentiment that is in direct opposition to the far-right agenda in Poland. | ||
| And so, to attack the rising tide of public acceptance of LGBTQ rights, they've launched a public campaign to portray the demands of equality as actually being an attack on families and an attempt to sexualize children. | ||
| So weird to see bigots across the world, from Warsaw to Austin, coming up with the exact same smears and narratives, almost like they're working out of the exact same playbook. | ||
| It's like, wait a second, did Poland get invaded by the Nazis, or were they Nazis secretly the whole fucking time? | ||
| I don't know, why don't you write a blog about it? | ||
| I think I will! | ||
| The day after the march, a march for life and the family was held in 130 towns in Poland. | ||
| The march had been held in previous years to protest abortion, but this year was co-opted by this anti-LGBTQ momentum, and it made its theme, quote, protecting children from premature sexualization. | ||
| All of this is absolutely what Alex is lying about and embellishing when he says that a mayor in Europe was having sex with children in the street. | ||
| That is Alex knowing that his audience is full of dumb bigots who will accept his version of the story when in reality the mayor of Warsaw just expressed support for the pride parade. | ||
| That is what he is embellishing and lying about. | ||
| And this is why I never accept those arguments that people make that it's like Alex is just an over the top guy leading you to the truth. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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They're like he is just like he wakes you up out of your skull. | |
| He literally said that a mayor is having sex with children in Europe. | ||
| What he is embellishing is a mayor expressing support for a pride parade. | ||
| That is not leading you to the truth. | ||
| That is leading you towards accepting far-right fascist smears coming out of Europe in service of dehumanizing, delegitimizing, and oppressing LGBTQ individuals who are just trying to accept or be accepted. | ||
| It's not a trivial issue. | ||
| No. | ||
| So that's it for Alex's sort of... | ||
| Piece of shittery. | ||
| No. | ||
| Yeah, well. | ||
| But the stuff that's like, ugh. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But in this next clip, Alex gets back to talking about how Trump's Fourth of July speech was a ritual, but then he kind of goes off the rails. | ||
| I haven't hit the ritual Trump conducted yet, and I'm going to do it next segment. | ||
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What? | |
| He knows what ritual? | ||
| Come hook or crook. | ||
| But it was absolutely incredible. | ||
| Absolutely insane. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| That they're attacking it, and it just really shows you the two different sides here. | ||
| Crystal clear and confirms everything we always knew about the left. | ||
| They want our guns. | ||
| They hate our country. | ||
| They want to have sex with our children. | ||
| They're just evil. | ||
| And history shows that you go through these periods. | ||
| We're going to go to break. | ||
| This is the last few days. | ||
| Of the Save Infowars 4th of July mega special. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| The last few days are the day after. | ||
| Yeah, mega special. | ||
| Save Infowars. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| So when we talk about the idea that Alex is hyperbolic in order to wake people up and that being complete bullshit, you see here the thing that he is being hyperbolic about and the thing that he is exaggerating, which is they want to fuck your kids, he then turns around and uses as an introduction. | ||
| For his sales pitch about why he needs to keep existing to fight back against this imaginary bullshit that he has exaggerated to make you scared of, to make you worried about. | ||
| This is a very easy game to figure out if you just pay attention to the structure of his show. | ||
| Now, one of the things about Alex is that he knows a lot about history. | ||
| He knows a lot about lore. | ||
| Well, history is lore, so you... | ||
| He knows a lot about real stuff, for sure. | ||
| I'm trying to find a better way to phrase this, but I'm just going to have to let it slide. | ||
| He has a lovely imagination. | ||
| Oh, sure. | ||
| And what he likes to imagine is the left getting mad about things. | ||
| That seems to be something he obsesses about. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Unfortunately, he doesn't understand what the things that he thinks anger the liberals are. | ||
| Yeah, that sounds right. | ||
| It's pretty clearly demonstrated by this next clip. | ||
| You can see how much they love seeing America come back from the dead and stopping the demoralization of the people. | ||
| So let's start rolling. | ||
| Battle Hymn of the Republic, a Christian song triggering the left massively. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
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Thank you. | |
| Ooh, that was bad. | ||
| That's enough of that. | ||
| It's really funny that Alex thinks that the Battle Hymn of the Republic is somehow going to trigger libs, or that it's in any way in line with his distorted version of Christianity or even American history. | ||
| For one thing, the song itself is just a new set of lyrics that were written in 1861 and set to a pre-existing tune from the song John Brown's Body, which itself is based on a folk song whose precise origins are a matter of dispute. | ||
| A good many scholars have argued that it has its roots in African American communities in the pre-Civil War South. | ||
| Do you mean like most music? | ||
| Or at least good? | ||
| Never mind. | ||
| Both John Brown's Body and The Battle Hymn of the Republic are strongly abolitionist songs. | ||
| John Brown's body was sung exclusively by Union soldiers, and it was decidedly anti-Confederacy. | ||
| As evidenced by the lyrics, quote, they will hang Jeff Davis to a sour apple tree, and quote, now three rousing cheers for the Union. | ||
| Not bad. | ||
| Pretty overt. | ||
| It's a little bit obvious, yeah. | ||
| I'm glad they changed the lyrics and we're not still singing the song that's like, we're going to hang him, man. | ||
| Hang Jefferson Davis to a sour apple tree. | ||
| We're going to do it. | ||
| The Battle Hymn of the Republic was written by Julia Ward Howe, someone who Alex would absolutely have called an SJ dub if he was around in the 1800s. | ||
| She was decidedly a dedicated abolitionist and wrote her song specifically to give a more cleaned up version of John Brown's body to rally the Union Army to defeat the Confederacy. | ||
| After the Civil War, Howe dedicated herself to the battle for women's suffrage, putting her squarely on the right side of history on two important issues of her time. | ||
| I'm so triggered. | ||
| Though her version was a little bit less overt, it didn't include the part about hanging Confederate President Jefferson Davis. | ||
| Which may be true. | ||
| It was still pretty clearly anti-Confederate. | ||
| One verse in particular stands out. | ||
| Quote, In the beauty of the lilies, Christ was born across the sea, with the glory in his bosom that transfigures you and me. | ||
| As he died to make men holy, let us die to make men free, while God is marching on. | ||
| The only people who should be triggered by the playing of the battle hymn of the Republic are people like Alex, whose family fought for the Confederacy. | ||
| This song is literally about killing his family members who took up arms to defend slavery. | ||
| I don't think that people who don't know about the song's histories would be that triggered by it either. | ||
| I feel like most people who don't really think about it all that much just kind of accept it as a patriotic classic that gets brought out every time we have an America fetishizing holiday. | ||
| I used to play it in the marching band every year. | ||
| I think most people kind of it rolls off them like, eh, whatever. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Still doing that, huh? | ||
| But anybody who knows anything about the history of the song would know that these are specifically... | ||
| Abolitionist songs. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Let's kill the slave owners. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Let's fuck up Alex's great-grandfather. | ||
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That would be so funny if he did happen to be in this song. | |
| Alex legitimately believes that he is his ancestors. | ||
| He has that idea that your ancestors live on through you, so his confederate ancestors are him. | ||
| That song is legitimately... | ||
| Still trying to kill him. | ||
| The only reason we keep singing it is because it has followed his family through him. | ||
| If anybody should hate that song, it's him. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| That's the only reason to hate that song. | ||
| And because he's his ancestors, the wound should still be fresh. | ||
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Absolutely. | |
| You know, he's still bitter about that song. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, I don't know, I think he's just talking shit about the Battle Hymn of the Republic, but that is par for the course. | ||
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Right. | |
| In this next clip, Alex gets really weird. | ||
| These are the kind of clips I really enjoy seeing. | ||
| This is Alex adding a new layer to his past history that makes him into just a big old hero. | ||
| I don't think I've heard him bring this up before. | ||
| I think he might have brought this up if this was something that was true. | ||
| I think this is just a retcon. | ||
| While he was selling oil paintings, he tackled a would-be mugger? | ||
| Nope, but I'm sure he did. | ||
| This is a spiritual war, ladies and gentlemen. | ||
| And, you know, I used to think I was crazy when I was a little kid. | ||
| You were. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Because you don't really call it visions. | ||
| It's just a knowing of a job you've got to do. | ||
| And then never even, as you get older, even thinking about what you thought when you were a kid. | ||
| And then once you're in college and things like that, forgetting. | ||
| You weren't in college. | ||
| When you were young, like four, five, six years old, God telling you you have a mission. | ||
| And then envisioning what was going to happen. | ||
| And then later it happens, and you look back and you say, that wasn't like Oprah Winfrey's The Secret, where you just say something and it magically happens. | ||
| Oprah Winfrey's The Secret? | ||
| It's all about destiny and providence and bloodlines and backgrounds and ongoing wars and God's plan and providence, and you step into that. | ||
| It's not that God's making things happen. | ||
| God's put forward these different future roads, and then you've got to choose the path you're going to go on, but the path... | ||
| The paths are predestined. | ||
| Which I don't believe at all. | ||
| No, it's because God gave him. | ||
| I don't believe that at all. | ||
| His life would not be so full of complete 90-degree turns down bizarre roads. | ||
| He didn't tell you what the paths looked like, Dan. | ||
| I guess so. | ||
| God set out these paths, which, again, makes no sense. | ||
| It doesn't. | ||
| It makes no sense, because if God has already preordained certain paths, it doesn't matter which ones you go down. | ||
| You don't have any control over it. | ||
| That's stupid. | ||
| In this next clip, Alex talks more about how the Trumps were crying during the speech. | ||
| And again, I just have to stress, I have no evidence of this. | ||
| Also, I don't care. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Oh, yeah, that's another point. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| Wild God is marching on. | ||
| A lot of you, Trump. | ||
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Tears in her eyes. | |
| In ecstasy to see the country. | ||
| Alex, she's not from here. | ||
| Christ. | ||
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Her lips trembling, her eyes on fire with liberty and the Holy Spirit. | |
| She was an illegal immigrant. | ||
| She was a victim of his life, feeling it, having to purse his lips and hold back tears. | ||
| Look at HD. | ||
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A tear comes out of its eye. | |
| That's right. | ||
| She's dead inside. | ||
| They tried to defy this nation, tried to crush it, tried to tear it apart, tried to conquer our souls, but they have failed. | ||
| So, I mean, this is just turning, like, Trump into a god king. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| That's what's going on here. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| This is almost like an attempt to deify, which Alex has been on that tip for a long time. | ||
| But, like, it's so overt. | ||
| It's so insanely naked, this attempt to inexorably tie American providence and what it means to be patriotic with this. | ||
| Singular executive. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Seems to be against what Alex pretends to stand for, but who knows? | ||
| Well, you know what, Ramsey's the second, his main rallying cry was 1776 2.0, I believe, yeah. | ||
| Right. | ||
| As Ozymandamus. | ||
| Ozymandamus was against Americana. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| If I know anything. | ||
| So, Alex, on this episode, one of his big narratives... | ||
| That is convoluted and I don't really care about is that he was looking at responses to Trump's speech. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And he saw the mainstream media come out with a bunch of hit pieces about how Trump's stupid and all this is... | ||
| Like, Trump is making this about himself. | ||
| But... | ||
| Then those pieces were immediately taken down because the media realized they were going to come out with this attack, but then no one liked it, so they doubled back. | ||
| Really? | ||
| I don't know that this is true. | ||
| I have no way I can confirm or deny this. | ||
| I think what Alex is talking about is other people posted streams or rebroadcasts of CNN or MSNBC, and those guys. | ||
| hit with copyright strikes. | ||
| Right. | ||
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That's what I'm guessing he's talking about, but I'm not really sure. | |
| He's not specific enough that there's any threads I can pull, and I don't care. | ||
| It could just be completely made up. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But part and parcel of this narrative is that the reason that they ended up taking all these things down was because the backlash from the patriots and the good Americans was so strong. | ||
| Now, if you're wondering how Alex gauges that, he explains in this next clip. | ||
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Oh, boy. | |
| And it's not very good. | ||
| It was so exciting, as I said last night, as I typed in Trump into YouTube. | ||
| And every video for 10 pages deep was vicious attacks with headlines like, Critics say it was terrible. | ||
| Trump's horrible. | ||
| Trump made it all about himself. | ||
| Public hates it. | ||
| Small crowds. | ||
| And I clicked on dozens of them. | ||
| And I looked at the comments, and every comment on the ones I clicked was just, I'm done. | ||
| You're pathetic. | ||
| This was a great event. | ||
| He didn't make it about himself. | ||
| It made it about all of us coming together. | ||
| I'm so proud of my country. | ||
| You know, I used to be a liberal, but now I learned they really do hate America. | ||
| They want us all to hate each other, to control us. | ||
| I mean, the comments were all on fire! | ||
| If you're gauging public sentiment by YouTube comments, you're not doing good. | ||
| No, that's the marketplace of ideas. | ||
| That's the Acropolis of our times, Dan. | ||
| I would suggest that if you had better information, you wouldn't use YouTube comments as a reinforcement of your arguments. | ||
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I don't know. | |
| I would say that, generally speaking, not very serious people... | ||
| I would say that this is a damning indictment of Alex's process and what he considers relevant information. | ||
| If he thinks that YouTube comments are somehow worth being a part of a discussion, I think that I don't know. | ||
| It's just embarrassing. | ||
| If he wasn't playing a stacked game, if he didn't have an audience that demanded so little of him, he would be... | ||
| If we did that, we would be pillory. | ||
| Oh no, it would be a nightmare. | ||
| That would be nuts. | ||
| If you cited as one of your sources a YouTube comment, everyone would go apeshit. | ||
| Even 10 YouTube comments. | ||
| Even if I used specifics. | ||
| It's like, hey, you know what? | ||
| Everybody hates Trump, and here's why I believe that. | ||
| Look at these YouTube comments. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| Also, it kind of suggests that when he says that he watched dozens and dozens of YouTube videos and looked at the comments, it's more like he went to dozens of videos and looked at the comments without watching the video. | ||
| I don't even know what he's saying. | ||
| It does not matter to me. | ||
| Who has time for dozens and dozens of YouTube videos? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But, you know, these YouTube videos that he was watching that may or may not have been taken down, they were expressing a real hatred of America. | ||
| Because they hate Trump. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Now, it wasn't just YouTube videos that Alex found. | ||
| There were also articles that were written that are America-hating. | ||
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Yes. | |
| And Alex has found one, and this is how he decides to cover it. | ||
| Vox reporter says the U.S. would have been better off staying with England. | ||
| And you look at the guy. | ||
| That's how you're going to judge? | ||
| Yeah, look at this guy. | ||
| Look at this guy. | ||
| Now, Vox celebrates 4th of July by saying the American Revolution was a mistake. | ||
| Let me explain something. | ||
| Every reporter they've had on me from BuzzFeed or any of these places looks like this, whether it's a woman or a man. | ||
| Put him back on screen, please. | ||
| And blow up his face for people. | ||
| He's got a face that's more evil than Brian Stelters. | ||
| Full screen, please. | ||
| That is an insult, sir. | ||
| Now, think about that. | ||
| And you look at him, he's got this satisfied, evil, creepy, dirty, oily look. | ||
| And then I googled his name and more photos. | ||
| Each one looks more creepy after the next. | ||
| Good analysis so far. | ||
| The disingenuousness of him. | ||
| Right, photos. | ||
| Of a writer. | ||
| This is a guy on July 4th telling you how much America sucks, and you wouldn't let that guy clean your toilets, you wouldn't let him work on your pool, you wouldn't let him get anywhere near your children. | ||
| Okay, this is gross. | ||
| So Alex is going really hard after Vox reporter Dylan Matthews, and Alex's primary complaint seems to be that Dylan isn't attractive. | ||
| This is pretty weak stuff. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| What did you write, Dan? | ||
| Well, I'll give you some context. | ||
| The article that Alex is responding to is something that Dylan wrote in 2015. | ||
| The article was updated this year, but I compared the articles, and it appears that the only update was giving it a new headline. | ||
| Apparently, that gives Alex just enough justification to report on a four-year-old article that was written and published while Obama was president, as if it's somehow a recent thing and an attack on Trump. | ||
| And it was the last time the U.S. women's... | ||
| Dylan's argument comes down to three points as to why staying with the British Empire might have led to a better outcome, generally speaking. | ||
| The first is that slavery would have been abolished sooner. | ||
| And this is not a debatable point. | ||
| England had abolished slavery before the American Revolution and abolished it in all of its colonies except India in 1834, with India following along in 1843. | ||
| The Emancipation Proclamation didn't formally abolish slavery in the United States until 1865. | ||
| I'm sure Alex would probably say that who cares about an extra 22 years of non-slavery, but I think that's a pretty dumb argument. | ||
| So Dylan's first point is absolutely correct. | ||
| If we were still in the British Empire, slavery would have been outlawed sooner, and possibly even without a civil war being needed to do it. | ||
| The second argument that he makes is that while there would have been inevitable conflict and violence between the colonists and Native Americans, it would have been far less horrible if the colonies had remained as a part of the British Empire. | ||
| Dylan's not painting a utopian version of what would possibly have been. | ||
| Rather, he's just pointing out that the ethnic cleansing that took place in our early history was the direct result of an insatiable hunger for Western expansion, which the British set limits on with their proclamation of 1763. | ||
| It's hard to know exactly how things would have played out, but if you look back at what our independent country did to Native peoples, it kind of does make you think a little bit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's possible. | ||
| It's possible that that's a decent point. | ||
| No, it is. | ||
| You're arguing a counterfactual, and that's always... | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like, imagine possible worlds, but there's something worth thinking about there. | ||
| Yeah, especially, but, you know, it's in terms of the dominoes that would have fallen, you cannot make any... | ||
| But that's why he has tons of caveats in there about, like, there still would have been fighting, people still would have been violent towards each other. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| But just possibly the Trail of Tears wouldn't have happened. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Possibly reservations wouldn't have happened. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The last point Dylan makes is that the parliamentary system of government is more stable than what we have come up with. | ||
| Parliamentary systems, he says, are less likely to collapse into dictatorships since they lack the focus on a singular authority, which characterizes presidential systems. | ||
| He further points out that parliamentary systems generally experience less gridlock and legislation can be generally passed much easier in that sort of system as opposed to our conflict-based system that... | ||
| Often ends up in a situation where one side wants something, one side wants the opposite of something, and no one can make any headway. | ||
| Complete gridlock, yeah. | ||
| Agree or disagree with Dylan Matthews' points, it's not fair to say that he hates America from the text of this article. | ||
| It's one thing to dispute his premises. | ||
| It's entirely another to accuse him of being a demon because you don't want to engage with his ideas, then do a little segment on your show where you call him ugly and imply he's a danger to children. | ||
| This is childish bullshit, but it's no surprise coming from Alex. | ||
| Absolutely not. | ||
| Dylan's article was originally published on July 2, 2015. | ||
| And on July 7, 2015, Vox published a response article with the headline, quote, No, the American Revolution was not a mistake. | ||
| In this article, Jeff Stein does exactly what Alex Jones is incapable of doing, taking Dylan's points, considering them, and expressing counterpoints that he feels make a better argument. | ||
| Surprisingly, not once in Stein's article does he call Dylan ugly. | ||
| No, he had to have at least once. | ||
| He doesn't. | ||
| The headline was, here's a response to this ugly dude's bullshit. | ||
| Also, look at this, I'll go. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| No, the American Revolution was a good idea. | ||
| Get a load of this guy. | ||
| Fox published both of these articles because they both bring up interesting perspective on history. | ||
| They both use primary sources to defend their differing views on how things would have been different if the United States hadn't declared independence. | ||
| Fox published both of these articles not because they hate America, but because they're media outlets that are interested in publishing interesting content. | ||
| In contrast to that, Infowars is a media outlet interested in publishing content based on personal insults, making shit up, and lying about headlines. | ||
| The difference could not be clearer. | ||
| It's really interesting to me, especially within the context of these free speech Dumb Dumbs. | ||
| This whole idea of dangerous ideas. | ||
| You guys can't exist in the marketplace of ideas and debate our ideas. | ||
| Alex is talking about a four-year-old Vox article that they themselves published a response to from another author where there was a debate between the two. | ||
| These articles are not just articles that exist where a guy made this point and... | ||
| Completely unrelated, another guy made a different point. | ||
| Jeff Stein's article is in direct response to Dylan Matthews' article. | ||
| There is an interplay that's happening between them within a media source. | ||
| Vox is allowing these ideas to be discussed and interact with each other for public consumption. | ||
| That is a marketplace of ideas. | ||
| One guy saying, American Revolution, bad. | ||
| The other saying, aha, no, good. | ||
| It was good. | ||
| And in fact, I disagree with some of your points. | ||
| Now, here's why I disagree with those points. | ||
| That is... | ||
| What Alex and his dickhole friends pretend they want to do. | ||
| In reality, what Alex wants to do is say these people are a bunch of globalist fucks and call them ugly and then imply that they want to hurt your kids and then make money off of doing that. | ||
| That's what it is. | ||
| It's a con. | ||
| Any free speech advocate on the right, all they really want is to be wrong loudly and never have to deal with it. | ||
| They don't want any argument. | ||
| They don't want any kind of learning possibility. | ||
| They don't want any pushback. | ||
| They want to be able to say what they want to say, no matter how wrong, no matter how racist, no matter how stupid, without ever having to deal with the consequences of it. | ||
| Free speech. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Jordan, I've been texting you since yesterday and telling you that I have found something completely amazing. | ||
| Game-changing. | ||
| Game-changing. | ||
| You said game-changing. | ||
| This to me is game-changing. | ||
| The game will be changed. | ||
| And this is also dovetailing into where we reach the point of the episode where things take a little bit of a feel of a Wacky Wednesday episode. | ||
| And that is because Alex gets a guest to come into studio. | ||
| This is a guest that we're aware of. | ||
| We've met this guy before, but I don't know if we've paid him nearly enough attention. | ||
| This is a guy who's Italian. | ||
| He pretends that he knows shit about the Vatican. | ||
| Oh, no! | ||
| Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you Alex Jones hanging out with Leo Zagami. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| Leo came here Wednesday and he said, I brought you a bottle of champagne that was very expensive in all the news in Italy when Trump won three years ago. | ||
| And so he brought me a bottle of it. | ||
| Decorative boxes right over there on that desk, if somebody could bring it to me out of the dark over there. | ||
| And I was kind of like, well, what are we going to celebrate? | ||
| Well, just the fact that Trump's in there. | ||
| But now that after this 4th of July speech that's his biggest yet, the way the left demonized it, lied about it, said it was all about him when it wasn't, how well it was received while they're trying to ban the American flag and trying to do all of this, this is a very... | ||
| Good time to celebrate. | ||
| So I don't normally have champagne, you know, at 1230 noon. | ||
| I actually don't really drink much these days. | ||
| But in celebration of this, I am more than happy to do this with Leo Zagami and his lovely wife who's here. | ||
| So in a minute, she'll have to come up and share out of your glass. | ||
| I've only got two glasses here, Leo Zagami. | ||
| He keeps being like, I should have had a third glass. | ||
| There's a real sense of regret that I rarely see in him. | ||
| Could have had a third glass. | ||
| Rude. | ||
| It was just rude. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Also, funny story, Leo Zagami's wife in 2017 published a book called Confessions of an Illuminati Princess. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| That I do believe was maybe ghostwritten by Leo. | ||
| Okay. | ||
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Well, yeah. | |
| Or at least the blurb on Amazon is because it seems to glorify Leo. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| My wife wrote a book and it's all about how giant my penis is. | ||
| Isn't that crazy? | ||
| It's close to that, but replace giant penis with super important Illuminati insider. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Jordan, I've listened to Leo Zagami show up on Alex's show in the past. | ||
| I've heard him even when he made an appearance on Project Camelot, because he did. | ||
| Yes, he did. | ||
| I have listened to him a bunch, and a lot of the stuff that I was able to find in my research today is not stuff that has ever come up. | ||
| It is not stuff that Alex has ever saw fit to be like, hey, now I should tell you this about Leo Zagami. | ||
| I cannot wait to tell you. | ||
| This is one of my favorite stories that I will ever tell on this podcast, and no matter how much I do this, I cannot. | ||
| Oversell this. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| All right. | ||
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All right. | |
| You got a lot to live up to. | ||
| So here's Leo just talking some shit. | ||
| What would you call this historical time we're in right now? | ||
| It's a time of real renaissance. | ||
| It's a time of getting back what was taken from us. | ||
| And we were, in Italy, the first organization to believe in Trump before he became president. | ||
| Four years ago, when he was first running, I met with you in Italy again. | ||
| You said he's going to win. | ||
| He's like Berlusconi, who I know you're friends with, and you were explaining it all to me. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| He's not friends with Berlusconi. | ||
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Oh, okay. | |
| I was going to say, because if he's friends with Berlusconi, that would be a great starting point for the... | ||
| Best story that you could ever tell on this podcast. | ||
| I strongly believe that that is part of his mythology that he has just invented. | ||
| I see no evidence that he's friends with Berlusconi. | ||
| You're a big fan of Mussolini, right? | ||
| You are a huge fan of that, yes. | ||
| So in this next clip, Leo confesses to a crime. | ||
| A bottle like this costs 2,000 euros. | ||
| That means approximately 2,500 dollars. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| So we are about to open a very expensive bottle, which I advise you to keep for posterity because... | ||
| Oh, I will. | ||
| I've never had a 2,000 bottle of anything. | ||
| I'll think $100 is fancy for me at a wedding or something. | ||
| I'm working class, baby. | ||
| I have to thank also the people at the Fiumicino Airport, my friend Andres Signini, who came to pick us up outside of the airport and brought us through the VIP line so we could avoid any control. | ||
| That's right, because you're not allowed to bring liquor or alcohol into a country. | ||
| Especially a luxury thing, a brand like this one, because if you go and check on the internet the name of this brand, which is Maurice Tricot. | ||
| So quite a journey to get this here to us. | ||
| Yes, yes. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| It was worth it. | ||
| One bottle of this, that's all that exists. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| He illegally trafficked champagne into the country. | ||
| So if I understand correctly, they are celebrating somebody getting past customs and border protection. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Fun irony when it's a really expensive bottle of champagne you get to enjoy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Dumbass. | ||
| Fun, fun. | ||
| I don't really care about that. | ||
| I may be... | ||
| Hypocrisy means nothing anymore. | ||
| No, no, but also I might be of the mind that I don't give a shit if you bring a bottle of champagne into the country. | ||
| Yeah, me neither. | ||
| I don't know why that needs to be... | ||
| Heavily controlled. | ||
| I'm sure there's a reason, but who cares? | ||
| What I'm saying is I'm not calling for Leo Zagami to get in trouble for bringing a bottle of champagne into the country. | ||
| It's just hilarious. | ||
| I just want him to be detained in some sort of camp. | ||
| So you remember earlier when you were talking about how Melania is an immigrant. | ||
| She is an illegal immigrant for at least a year. | ||
| Well, Alex makes an interesting, you know, little comment here. | ||
| Here's to President Trump. | ||
| Oh, and Melania. | ||
| Give me that. | ||
| Gee, boy, I want her to run for president. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| She can't. | ||
| Let's repeal the amendment that foreign-born can't be president for her. | ||
| But have it the amendment only for her. | ||
| See, it's funny because of all the stuff he said about Obama. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| It's funny because she's married to a guy who was a birther. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| It's funny because Alex doesn't really care about all the principles. | ||
| Not even in the slightest. | ||
| But it's funny. | ||
| Because even then, all he really wants is... | ||
| Trump to be telling her what to do while she's president. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Fucking stupid. | ||
| Alex keeps talking about how hot Leo's wife is. | ||
| Great. | ||
| It's weird and kind of uncomfortable, and it leads to this. | ||
| I'm very glad to be here with my wife. | ||
| Absolutely beautiful lady. | ||
| I share with Melania the fact that they are both ex-models, and so it's a coincidence, but also we like fine ladies. | ||
| Well, I tell you. | ||
| And you have also a fine wife, which I met when you were not even, I think, married yet. | ||
| Ah, we like fine women. | ||
| So they just sort of talk a bit of shit for your first glass of champagne sitting around a bowl. | ||
| Just talking about nothing. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So now, Jordan, we've talked about Leo Zagami a little bit in the past. | ||
| He popped up in our 2015 investigation as a complete weirdo, saying absurd things that Alex accepted as smart-sounding because he thinks anyone with an accent is a genius. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| To recap for anyone who missed those episodes, Leo Zagami's whole thing is that he used to be in the Illuminati, but now he's become a whistleblower, warning the world about their nefarious satanic plans. | ||
| He also apparently is a Vatican insider, which I guess just comes with the territory. | ||
| If you're in with the Illuminati, you probably get invited to some Vatican mixers. | ||
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For sure. | |
| You know, a little cocktail hour at the Vatican. | ||
| Yeah, I assume you go to every place of power, you know, like, you know. | ||
| Masons. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| They're in the mix. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Getty Museum, for sure you're invited there all the time. | ||
| He's running one of the simplest scams imaginable. | ||
| The Illuminati doesn't exist, so he can just make up whatever shit he wants and trick idiots into thinking he has inside information about it. | ||
| On the flip side, the Catholic Church is an insanely corrupt organization full of monsters and people who protect monsters. | ||
| So they're pretty easy also to make shit up about and make it sound credible. | ||
| If you just predict that a bunch of priests are going to be outed as abusers, there's I would say there's probably a 100% chance that... | ||
| It's a safe game he's playing. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| There's very little reliable information about Leo Zagami online. | ||
| For the most part, no one really cares about him outside of conspiracy circles, so the only real coverage of him comes from that perspective, which isn't super critical and all of it's pretty dicey. | ||
| However... | ||
| There is an amazing story to be told here. | ||
| And in order to tell you it, I've had to scour message boards, long-dormant conspiracy sites, and foreign YouTube channels. | ||
| What I'm going to present to you today is as close as I can get to the actual true story of how Leo Zagami got to where he is today and how he clearly demonstrates how little research Alex and his team do on somebody before they allow them to be presented as a credible guest on their show. | ||
| So, there isn't too much concrete information known about Leo Zagami pre-2008. | ||
| Really important to have that if you're going to make bullshit up about the Illuminati. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| According to the bio he has on his website, he was working as a DJ and record producer under the name Leo Young until 2006, at which point he decided to start exposing the Illuminati. | ||
| His father was a professor of psychology named Elio Zagami, and his mother was Jessica Lyon Young, who Leo alleges is, quote, a member of the Queen Mother of England's family. | ||
| Her middle name is literally Lyon. | ||
| But that's his... | ||
| His interpretation of it, or his... | ||
| L-Y-O-N. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I know, but, I mean, come on. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's apparently his mother's, his maternal last name. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| He doesn't specify how he's related to the Queen Mother, and from digging around as much as I can, I can't find any close relations with the Queen Mother who have that name. | ||
| The only references I can find to Jessica Lyon Young being related to the royal family come from various websites that have reposted Leo's self-written bio. | ||
| Given the other things I know about him, I strongly suspect he's making up his connection to the Queen Mother. | ||
| Leo's life story up to going public against the Illuminati goes something like this. | ||
| He was born into a Scottish Sicilian Illuminati aristocratic bloodline, and as such, he's been a part of the Illuminati since the day he was born. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| As a lifelong member, he was groomed as a prince of the Illuminati, reaching the rank of the 33rd degree of Masonic initiation at the notorious Italian P2 Lodge. | ||
| Okay, okay. | ||
| Before he decided to expose the secret society, he was set to replace the previous king of the Illuminati, but Leo was disgusted by the Satanism he was surrounded by, so he turned his back on at all. | ||
| So we're going... | ||
| This is full Lion King here. | ||
| You bet. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| This is an essential piece of his hero's journey. | ||
| He stood to inherit everything. | ||
| All the power in the world. | ||
| All the riches. | ||
| But because he cared too much about the world, he rejected it all. | ||
| To fact check his story, I should point out that the lodge he claimed to be a part of, P2, was definitely real. | ||
| But it also closed when Leo was six years old. | ||
| So it seems unlikely he was a member there. | ||
| The only direct evidence he's ever provided of his membership in any Masonic Lodge is a picture of his membership badge from Kirby Lodge 2818. | ||
| The thing that's important to understand about the Masons, though, is that they keep exhaustive records. | ||
| Their entire organization basically revolves around ritual, and record-keeping is a part of that. | ||
| Included in their record keeping, of course, are reports where they kick people out of their lodge. | ||
| Oh no! | ||
| Leo Zagami was kicked out of Kirby Lodge within two years of joining for behavioral problems, including, but not limited to, excessive use of profanity. | ||
| After that point, he started just joining a bunch of fake lodges that aren't even involved with the Masons, but they seek to create the illusion that they are. | ||
| If he ever reached any high level of initiation anywhere, it's in fake Masonic lodges, which seems on brand. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Are they more like apostate Masonic lodges, or are they like a bunch of weekend dudes just like... | ||
| We don't want to do the actual Masonic bullshit. | ||
| And I think some of it is either of those groups, and I think there's even a third cross-section that is like, I want to be weirder than that. | ||
| Yeah, of course, of course. | ||
| Whatever I feel like is Masonic isn't actually, so I'm going to create my own lodge that adheres to my version of them praising aliens and shit. | ||
| Yeah, it's just branding. | ||
| So, in 2008, Leo found himself living in Norway. | ||
| In March 2008, Carrie Cassidy, over at Project Camelot, received a message from a Norwegian politician who had a dire warning. | ||
| Quote, The Norwegian government is building more and more underground bases and bunkers. | ||
| Planet X is coming. | ||
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| The people that are going to be left on the surface will die, along with the others, and get no help whatsoever. | ||
| The plan is that two million Norwegians are going to be safe and the rest will die. | ||
| All the governments in the world are aware of this and they just say it is going to happen. | ||
| I assure you 100% that things will happen. | ||
| There are four years to prepare for the endgame. | ||
| Get weapons and make survival groups. | ||
| And a place where you can be safe with food for a time. | ||
| Okay, so he was on the 2012 tip. | ||
| Well, this is from an alleged Norwegian politician. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| It's just important to point out... | ||
| At the time, Leo Zagami lived in Norway. | ||
| That is, it does seem like those two facts might come... | ||
| The politician offered to answer any questions Kerry might have, which led to a correspondence. | ||
| In his messages, he makes a number of predictions that do not come true, and they should have, based on him saying that the things were set up in advance. | ||
| They weren't predictions in the way he was saying it. | ||
| He was saying, "This is what the plan is." For instance, he said that Siv Janssen would be elected Prime Minister of Norway. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Interestingly, in February 2008, Leo Zagami had been interviewed on Project Camelot, so he was in place to be a valuable source to check in with about this letter from an alleged Norwegian politician. | ||
| And that's exactly what happened. | ||
| He ran a two-man, one-man game on Carrie Cassidy? | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| We'll get a bit more into this. | ||
| As it goes along, there's something very suspicious going on here. | ||
| I am enjoying his temerity, Dan. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, Kerry called Leo to interview him about this alleged politician whistleblower. | ||
| Leo's profile in the conspiracy world was raised dramatically in the span of a couple months, thanks to the platform of him being on Project Camelot. | ||
| If you'll recall, when we covered Jessica Schaub, she specifically said that after she went on Project Camelot, she, quote, became famous overnight. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| While it may seem like an irrelevant joke now, Project Camelot was a pretty large platform in the conspiracy community a decade ago, and Leo undoubtedly got a whole lot of traction out of being featured on the show and being mixed up in the story of this alleged Norwegian politician warning about Planet X. A cynical mind might suggest, as you kind of already have, given how wrong the alleged politician was about pretty much everything, it's likely that the letter was a bit of a stunt. | ||
| And maybe the only person who stood to gain anything from that kind of stunt was Leo himself. | ||
| I have no idea, though. | ||
| I can't prove it either way. | ||
| It could be an amazing coincidence that right after he got interviewed in Oslo for Project Camelot, Carrie received a mysterious whistleblowing message from a Norwegian politician. | ||
| Well, you know it was a Norwegian politician because it was sent from lzagami at gmail.com. | ||
| Who else could send that Norwegian politician letter? | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| Soon after his appearance on Project Camelot, Leo's wife left him and took their son with her. | ||
| It's very hard to determine what actually happened here, but I can tell you that I don't believe the version of the story that's repeated ad nauseum in conspiracy circles. | ||
| Oh, God, no. | ||
| Kentroversy papers. | ||
| Hold on to that thought. | ||
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| Quote, Leo's wife, who had been working all along for the Illuminati, has accused him of spousal abuse. | ||
| Accused. | ||
| I don't know if the accusation of domestic violence is even... | ||
| I don't know if it's true, or even if the accusations were ever actually made. | ||
| But I do know that I don't believe that his wife left because she was secretly working for the Illuminati. | ||
| Doubtful. | ||
| David Icke pulled this exact same stunt in 2012 when he divorced his second wife, Pamela Lee Richards, who said he decided they needed to split up after 11 years of marriage because he, quote, became suspicious that she was a shape-shifting alien. | ||
| When intimacy deteriorates for these people, their loved ones strangely always end up being secretly involved with their imagined enemies. | ||
| You can even see this with Alex Jones as he blurs the lines between the actions of the globalists and his ex-wife. | ||
| The globalists want to take my kids away. | ||
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Right, right, right. | |
| That sort of thing. | ||
| It used to be we just called them witches and burned them, you know? | ||
| A simpler time for these assholes. | ||
| Now, what's interesting is that Leo's first wife was Muslim. | ||
| In fact, he repeatedly insists that she's a direct descendant of Muhammad. | ||
| And you know what else? | ||
| At that time, Leo was Muslim as well. | ||
| In a message board post... | ||
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| In a message board post, Leo wrote that his wife, quote, started to say to me that I should stop immediately my Illuminati confessions on the net and convert to a strict and more fundamentalist view of Islam, otherwise she will leave me. | ||
| That was obviously a brainwashing imposition for me, and I couldn't accept such a proposal. | ||
| Okay! | ||
| Okay! | ||
| Alright! | ||
| I'm riveted, first off. | ||
| This goes so many different places. | ||
| I have no idea what's going to happen next. | ||
| So Leo would go on to later claim that he'd converted to Islam to infiltrate the religion, and he became a Muslim, quote, during an Illuminati ritual he made in Egypt under the Great Pyramid of Giza. | ||
| That's how you become a Muslim? | ||
| Apparently, yeah. | ||
| By an Illuminati religion? | ||
| Yeah, apparently so. | ||
| Okay, okay. | ||
| So he even had a Muslim alias, Khalid Saifullah Khan. | ||
| If there's one thing that you learn about Leo Zagami when you look into him, you learn this very quickly. | ||
| It's that he is a dude who has used a lot of different names in his career, which most normal people don't do. | ||
| Generally. | ||
| That's because most normal people don't like to have a good time, Dan. | ||
| That's why they don't do it. | ||
| So after his wife left, he miraculously realized that the version of Islam that she followed was actually a form of the New World Order brainwashing and represented a system that was afraid of Leo's life's work. | ||
| Right, but wasn't he inducted into that same religion through the Illuminati? | ||
| Don't worry about trying to make this make sense. | ||
| Okay, you're right. | ||
| I apologize. | ||
| That was on me. | ||
| That was on me. | ||
| There are going to be a lot of similar problems with this. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So because his wife was involved with this New World Order brainwashing that was afraid of him, Leo was punished by having his marriage broken up and having his child taken from him. | ||
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Awful. | |
| Now, from what I know about Leo and from what we can learn about him and what we will learn about him today, I don't believe this angle. | ||
| I think he's a maniacal shithead who, if not directly abusive, is someone who you might want to divorce from if you find yourself accidentally married to him. | ||
| From his account of what happened, quote, Yes. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| While Leo was in prison for that difficult 12 hours, he had a breakthrough when he met with a priest. | ||
| He found the strength to tell the priest about his, quote, forced conversion into Islam to please my wife's family and the way they sold me out to the authorities as only a true Judas could do. | ||
| Yes, my wife sold me to my worst enemy, the Norwegian Freemasons. | ||
| So the conversion to Islam was both forced by his wife and an intentional plan to infiltrate the religion. | ||
| I got it. | ||
| Okay, whatever. | ||
| His greatest enemy is the Norwegian Mason? | ||
| The Freemasons. | ||
| That is a fucking serious, specific, and esoteric grudge to hold forever. | ||
| That's fun. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Conveniently. | ||
| When he was arrested for that 12 hours, the Jesuit Freemason Norwegian police confiscated his computers, which is where he kept all the proof about all the stories he tells about bigwigs and Illuminati. | ||
| And it's so amazing how all of his proof is just gone. | ||
| And you know what? | ||
| There are so many people who were in the CIA, and everybody that you would ask about it is dead. | ||
| It's unfortunate how this happens so frequently, Dan. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And this is another essential piece of this hero's journey that he has. | ||
| This tragedy that makes him unable to unequivocally prove his point to the masses. | ||
| If his wife hadn't been brainwashed into filing false charges against him, he never would have had his computers seized, and he would still have all the proof he needs to take down the global satanic conspiracy. | ||
| But now he just has to be totally right about everything, and everyone just looks at him like he's a madman. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Spoiler alert. | ||
| He is a madman. | ||
| Yeah, that does. | ||
| So far, we're not getting a lot of... | ||
| I would say there are a lot of red flags for madman coming up. | ||
| You have no idea where this is going. | ||
| Leo's message board post continues, quote, from the 5th of March 2008, I'm officially a Christian again, as my sufferance has made me realize that. | ||
| He is our only savior, and Muhammad is a false prophet whose descendants are involved in Satanism and the New World Order. | ||
| So, Leo left Islam and rejoined Christianity in 2008. | ||
| But guess what, Jordan? | ||
| That isn't the only thing he rejoined. | ||
| According to his telling of it, he also rejoined the Illuminati. | ||
| I really feel like they don't allow that. | ||
| I'm just going to say, I imagine, and that's just me, that somebody higher up in the Illuminati is like, no take-backsies? | ||
| We can't trust this guy. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| He stole all of our private information, and now we're just going to be like, cool, come on back. | ||
| I will say that... | ||
| It does work this way when you're making it up. | ||
| Yes, that's true. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| That is helpful. | ||
| So Leo claimed in May 2008 that he, quote, personally controls major parts of the Illuminati, but he was now using his influence in the organization for good. | ||
| As you've already pointed out, this makes no sense. | ||
| He claimed that he was protected by a 12,000-man-strong paramilitary group called the Green Lion Security Team. | ||
| Interestingly, Lion being his maternal last name. | ||
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| There is no evidence that this group exists. | ||
| Apparently, rejoining the Illuminati didn't protect Leo from legal trouble. | ||
| Oh, but it seems like it would have to. | ||
| Seems like it should. | ||
| The Illuminati run everything. | ||
| He's got 12,000 dudes protecting him, and nobody can get assault charges dropped? | ||
| According to his own book, Confessions of an Illuminati, Volume 2, he was arrested in July 2008 when he arrived at a courthouse for a child custody hearing. | ||
| Apparently, he had recently appeared on an Internet conspiracy show and, quote, in a typical Italian act of bravado, he not only threatened to kill the Norwegian Prime Minister, Jen Stoltenberg, Right, right, right. | ||
| That is in his own book. | ||
| Yeah, that's probably a crime. | ||
| And his defense that he offers towards this clear terrorist threat that he made wasn't to say that he never said those things, but he says, All right. | ||
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All right. | |
| Okay. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Yes, I threatened to kill him. | ||
| I was Italian at the time. | ||
| I was being Italian! | ||
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Hey! | |
| Bad excuse for terrorist threats towards Prime Minister. | ||
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| Leo was lucky to walk away without facing any charges or jail time from that, but I would say that the experience probably didn't do much to help his already enormous persecution complex and tendencies towards grandiosity. | ||
| He continued unabated, pretending that he was in charge of a large portion of the Illuminati. | ||
| Not one to let this craziness cool down to room temperature, Leo Zagami made another interesting religious conversion in 2009. | ||
| Shinto! | ||
| No. | ||
| Oh! | ||
| As he declared, quote, I announced the new religion for 2012, Matrixism. | ||
| Yes, Matrixism is the official religion of my Ordo Illuminatorum Universalis. | ||
| Nothing else will be tolerated amongst true illuminated beings of light working for the science of God and the kingdom of God in 2019. | ||
| I've only got one thing to say to that, Dan. | ||
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| There's a pretty consistent thread through his work that the Kingdom of God is going to be started in 2019, which makes it particularly upsetting to have him now, in 2019, popping champagne with Alex Jones as they celebrate Trump's Fourth of July speech. | ||
| matrixism was a religion created by anonymous individuals online in 2004 right after the release of the third matrix movie leo would later go on to imply that he was involved in the creation of the religion which might be true since the founders were anonymous i can't really confirm or deny it what i can confirm is that creating a religion based on a movie does seem to be squarely in the category of things i would believe leo's For sure. | ||
| And it makes me... | ||
| Very sad. | ||
| It's so sad. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| It's like the people who got really depressed after Avatar because they could never live in Pandora. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| That's what I think of. | ||
| It's like, you know, you could just feel things. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When are we going to get judges to understand who's dangerous and who isn't to the point where we can get them to... | ||
| James O 'Keefe. | ||
| Massively dangerous. | ||
| Somebody who fucking steals something from a goddamn 7-Eleven, not dangerous. | ||
| Leo Zagami, ruining thousands upon thousands of lives. | ||
| I don't know if he's ruining thousands, but he has a really insidious influence. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Time. | ||
| Get him in there, man. | ||
| It's very weird how he's eluded, first of all, just outright exposure and also prison time in his life. | ||
| So you could say that at this point, in 2009, when he has announced that Matrixism is the official religion of his world... | ||
| Leo was fully back on his bullshit. | ||
| He had a fake faction of the Illuminati he was now in charge of. | ||
| And segments of the conspiracy world that had previously promoted him and raised his profile were kind of forced to go along with his new developments or risk having to admit that they've been fooled by a narcissistic weirdo just because he had an Italian accent. | ||
| God, that's such a good scam. | ||
| He has them trapped. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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They can't say like, oh, this guy's full of shit because they promoted him as an Illuminati insider and have based tons of their beliefs on him. | |
| So Leo continued to peddle his Illuminati nonsense, giving speeches here and there. | ||
| But honestly, his trail runs a little bit cold for a while. | ||
| Between 2009 and 2011, I'm not really sure what he was up to. | ||
| But then, in December 2011, he was arrested. | ||
| I have literally no idea what he was arrested for, but I have to assume it has something to do with being a dick in public. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| When he was in a processing room, he gave a cameraman a little interview that illustrates the mindset that he was in at the time. | ||
| And we are now going to listen to that interview. | ||
| Oh, we got it? | ||
| Oh, shit, yes! | ||
| In this first clip, Leo talks about how he was arrested, and then talks about what's going to happen on December 21st, 2012. | ||
| Because Leo Zagami was very into 2012. | ||
| I will talk English so my English listeners understand better. | ||
| I was arrested last night here in Italy for saying that the Italian government is a government of criminals, that the bourgeois have stolen everything, and us aristocrats are now living a miserable life, but also the poor people are living a miserable life because the order of things has been changed. | ||
| But we know that on the 21st of December 2012 there will be a new world order and a new... | ||
| Sacred Roman Empire, which is the old sacred Roman Empire, rising again with an Emperor, which is the Prince of Sant 'Elia, here for you, Baron of the Roman Empire, and... | ||
| And basically, I will be elevated to the rank of Emperor. | ||
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Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa! | |
| Hold on, hold on, hold on! | ||
| New Holy Roman Empire, which is actually the same Holy Roman Empire, and it just so happens that Leo Zagami will be elevated to Emperor of the World. | ||
| On December 21st, 2012, Leo Zagami will become the Emperor of the New Holy Roman Empire, which is the New World Order, which will take over. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Now, instead of doing that, we know that in 2019, he is opening a bottle of champagne with Alex Jones. | ||
| We do know that. | ||
| That is a bit of a fall. | ||
| Well, it's a bit of a drop-off. | ||
| It's a difference, certainly. | ||
| There's a little bit of... | ||
| I think that some people could say, hey, this could be a guy doing a silly Italian accent. | ||
| This isn't Leo Zagami. | ||
| I watched the video. | ||
| It is 100% Leo Zagami. | ||
| It's totally him. | ||
| And he doesn't seem out of his mind. | ||
| He doesn't seem on drugs or anything like that. | ||
| It just seems like he's frustrated smoking a cigarette in a holding room. | ||
| Well, I will give him this possibility should he so want to take this out. | ||
| It's entirely possible that he is having a full-on manic episode. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| And is completely delusional about that. | ||
| Well, but the problem is that the delusions fit in with his life's work. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| It just seems like a more overt explication of the things that he believes. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| And one of those things is he thinks that he is literally Jesus. | ||
| So, I am. | ||
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Who I am? | |
| I am that I am. | ||
| I change my body like I change my clothes. | ||
| I've been here forever. | ||
| I am the Sphinx with hides at the shadow of the pyramids. | ||
| I am that Leo you see at the roots. | ||
| of the obelisk in St. Peter's. | ||
| It says, "Leo vichit de tribu juda radix david." And so this holy grail is being preserved in my family for centuries. | ||
| They were into the Leone family of Rome, then went to Scotland, but that's why the lion is the alchemical symbol that hides the bloodline of Jesus. | ||
| So the Merovingians is all rubbish. | ||
| The truth, the bloodline of Jesus, is that it's being preserved in the lion family in Scotland, which is all connected to the English royal family. | ||
| The British Empire has this great opportunity of having the royal blood of David, King David. | ||
| I have been now recognized by the Jews as the Messiah, as the Osha, as... | ||
| Obviously, for them it was a shock, because a lot of them considered me a goyim, an impure, because I'm so mixed. | ||
| but I am What can I do? | ||
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What can I do? | |
| Look, when you're the Messiah, what do you got to do? | ||
| Very interesting that Alex doesn't bring up this sort of thing. | ||
| Remember a couple years back when you said you were Jesus? | ||
| Do you want to maybe make a clarification for our audience about, like, I didn't mean that or something? | ||
| Or, I did mean that. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Now, that would be difficult. | ||
| I think. | ||
| For Alex to be like, our next guest, Leo Zagami, has said he's Jesus in the past. | ||
| And that the Jews have admitted as such, which was surprising. | ||
| Yeah, it would be surprising for the Jews to admit that he is the Messiah. | ||
| It would be tough. | ||
| I would be surprised. | ||
| If Bibi Netanyahu was like, guys, we gotta, look, we gotta do it. | ||
| Look, I'm as shocked as you. | ||
| Check this guy out, though. | ||
| Yeah, no. | ||
| He's Italian. | ||
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I mean, it's crazy, but he's the fucking Messiah. | |
| I don't want it to be true any more than you do, but what are we going to do? | ||
| Hey, what are you going to do? | ||
| He's Jesus. | ||
| This next clip, put your mic down for it, because if you thought that the revelation that he is Jesus is shocking, this next clip is so much more shocking. | ||
| We are also working with the Muslim brothers. | ||
| I am Jesus, but we have also the Mahdi. | ||
| And who is the Mahdi? | ||
| The Mahdi is Osama bin Laden. | ||
| Alhamdulillah! | ||
| So, Bismillahir Rahmanir Rahim, and Shatani Rashim, because we are against Satan, both me and Osama Bin Laden, and I was the one who signed the order which was given to Commandant Giorgio Balestrieri to bring down the Twin Towers. | ||
| So it's my sole responsibility, but when you understand the full picture in 2012, you will thank me for it. | ||
| Trust me, my friends. | ||
| So, Leo Zagami did 9-11. | ||
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I don't know. | |
| That is one claim I would never have guessed. | ||
| I would never have guessed that I am Jesus would be followed up with, I'm working with Osama bin Laden and I ordered 9-11. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
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I have the sole responsibility for 9-11. | |
| So that's tough. | ||
| Now that's fun. | ||
| That's tough for Alex, I assume. | ||
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That gets George Bush off the hook. | |
| Leo, before we continue, real quick, I just want to say, thanks for 9-11. | ||
| That was great. | ||
| Yeah, that's strange. | ||
| And again, the thing that I want to point out is that I've listened to a ton of Leo Zagami interviews, and the way he's speaking is... | ||
| Not out of order. | ||
| It's not out of the norm. | ||
| One of the things that I've noticed with you, when you have more manic times, your manner of speaking is a little bit different. | ||
| There's more pressure behind the speech. | ||
| You speak quicker. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| And I think that's pretty indicative of people whenever they're in those episodes or in those states. | ||
| This is very normal. | ||
| This is relaxed almost. | ||
| This is normal speech patterns for Leo Zagami. | ||
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| And all the interviews that I've seen of his. | ||
| So, like, I don't know. | ||
| I don't think that this is necessarily indicative of some sort of a break with reality as much as it is, like, I got arrested. | ||
| I shouldn't be arrested. | ||
| I am Jesus. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's exasperation more than, like, a break. | ||
| Right. | ||
| This sounds almost like if Robert Evans from The Kid Stays in the Picture was just a little bit more drunk when he was giving those interviews, he'd be like, yeah, that does sound like you. | ||
| Robert Evans, you probably think you were Jesus while you're producing Rosemary's Baby. | ||
| So he did 9-11. | ||
| He's Jesus. | ||
| He's working with Osama bin Laden. | ||
| And the Jews accepted that he was Jesus. | ||
| And they're not the only ones. | ||
| We're going to learn later that some other group has accepted him as Messiah. | ||
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| We'll get to that in a moment. | ||
| In his next clip, he makes it clear that once he ascends, democracy is going to be gone. | ||
| And that Christianity will be outlawed. | ||
| The Sacred Roman Empire. | ||
| You can call it New Sacred Roman Empire, but it's not new. | ||
| It's the old. | ||
| It's just coming back. | ||
| Because it never died. | ||
| Because you lived an illusion with the democracies. | ||
| Because for three centuries we decided to initiate you in certain rites and certain things. | ||
| But in the order, you can have the bourgeois taking over. | ||
| But in the rites, it's always the aristocracy that protects the knighthoods, the real knighthoods. | ||
| like the Knights Tempers, the Teutonic Knights, the Maltese Knights, and the great tradition of the Christian Church. | ||
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The Knights of Columbus. | |
| We are here to bring you back to reality. | ||
| I am Neo, I am Leo, I am the prophet of Matrixism. | ||
| The Knights of Columbus! | ||
| So within 10 years of 2011, Matrixism will be the only religion that's allowed, which implies very strongly that Christianity will be outlawed. | ||
| It won't be allowed. | ||
| It won't be allowed. | ||
| Which I think Alex should be very against. | ||
| This is a guy who's legitimately saying he wants to get rid of Christianity in favor of a novelty religion he has allegedly created about a movie. | ||
| And not just that, but he did it in the best possible way. | ||
| What? | ||
| Really? | ||
| I'm Neo, I'm Leo, and Christianity's gonna be abolished. | ||
| I'm Neo, I'm Leo. | ||
| And I'm not gonna put up with it. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| So, in Leo's conception... | ||
| Oh, also, I mean, in there, he's saying that, like, we allowed you to have democracy, but we're here to bring you back to reality. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Get back in. | ||
| Which is that we are the aristocrats. | ||
| We are in charge. | ||
| Gotta be. | ||
| Which, again, is something Alex should be staunchly against. | ||
| You would think. | ||
| So, his conception, Leo's, is that... | ||
| In 2012, he will ascend to the role of emperor of the new Holy Roman Empire. | ||
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Of course. | |
| As Jesus, and somehow I guess 9-11 was part of that, setting the stage for it. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You'll see in 2012. | ||
| I don't. | ||
| We're past it now, and I don't see it. | ||
| No, I think you'll see in 2012. | ||
| I think you'll see in 2012, Dan. | ||
| I don't think the world has thanked him for it. | ||
| I think you'll see that everybody is like, thanks, Leo. | ||
| Leo, we didn't see your logic, your strategy. | ||
| Man, when we're wrong, we can admit it. | ||
| What a dick. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| But his conception is that that's going to happen in 2012. | ||
| And then for seven years, between 2012 and 2019, there will be a period of tribulation. | ||
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Sure. | |
| And it'll resolve in 2019. | ||
| But he's not really clear about what the resolution implies. | ||
| But there's one thing that is true, and he does say. | ||
| And that is that if you don't follow him, you will die. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| But in the meantime, we will suffer terrible consequences from 2012 to 2019. | ||
| The seven years of tribulation will hit the world so high, hard and hard and hard. | ||
| And only the ones who will be faithful to me will be able to enter the kingdom of God, just like I told you two thousand years ago. | ||
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So I'm not here to be crucified again or to come here and say, I am Jesus. | |
| And then, you know what happens? | ||
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then they would just literally not believe me. | |
| So I had to bring these proofs to the Vatican. | ||
| And the Vatican has finally accepted that I am that Messiah because I showed them the codes that were hidden inside the Vatican that only the real Jesus could have. | ||
| So I leave it to you to decide if I'm the Messiah or not. | ||
| I've decided you're not. | ||
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Only the real Jesus would have the codes in the Vatican. | |
| Right, right, right. | ||
| So Jesus was part of the Catholic Church? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And there is a padlock down there that has a really complicated code that only the real Jesus could unlock. | ||
| Only the real Jesus! | ||
| So now we've got the Jews and the Vatican have both decided that Leo Lyon Zagami. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Leo Nino. | ||
| And Osama Bin Laden. | ||
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Ooh. | |
| Well, they're fine that the Savior is working with Osama Bin Laden, I guess. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| This is a tough pill to swallow. | ||
| I like it, though. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is what we call a big swing. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So in this next clip, Leo insists that if you betray him, you will not get into heaven. | ||
| Well, of course. | ||
| We came back in this life just to serve you, humanity, no one else. | ||
| I never made any money out of what I did. | ||
| I live in poverty myself. | ||
| I follow the good example of Christ. | ||
| Because Christ is me. | ||
| Because He's in my blood. | ||
| Because my blood is a bloodline of the Holy Grave. | ||
| Don't ever forget that. | ||
| Don't betray me. | ||
| Otherwise you will never enter the Kingdom of God. | ||
| That's a threatening... | ||
| I remember a lot of the times in the Bible when Jesus was like, don't you forget it! | ||
| Yeah, don't flex on me or you're going to hell. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| So, in this next clip, Leo offers a little bit of insight into the nature of God. | ||
| It turns out that God is an alien, and Leo is sent here to purify humanity. | ||
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Man! | |
| God is man, yes. | ||
| God is man, but it's also a real God. | ||
| And it's an alien from Sirius, the prince of Sirius. | ||
| With my DNA, with my grail, with my genetical code, I will purify once again your race and lead to 1,000 years of peace in a great kingdom of God. | ||
| Thank you very much, all the people of the world. | ||
| There's one last clip here where he just sums it up, that he is working with the New World Order and that he is God. | ||
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Sure! | |
| Remember, 1776. | ||
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What? | |
| 2012. | ||
| The New World Order is the kingdom of God. | ||
| And that God has a name, Leo Lion Zagami. | ||
| So he's God. | ||
| Lion Zagami is God. | ||
| All of that happened. | ||
| Before Alex ever started having Leo on as a supposed guest in the Illuminati and as an insider in Vatican affairs. | ||
| All of this. | ||
| All of the things that I've told you about his past, including an interview that is publicly available where he declares himself the Messiah and solely responsible for 9-11. | ||
| You'd think that Alex would want to ask him about how he'd taken this responsibility for 9-11, how he declared himself the Messiah, as recognized by both the Jews and the Vatican. | ||
| Or you'd want to ask him about how he'd proposed to outlaw Christianity in favor of his new cult of Matrixism, once the New World Order, which he himself was the head of, took power in December 2012. | ||
| Weirdly, none of that ever comes up on Infowars. | ||
| It is strange. | ||
| Despite Leo making a bunch of appearances on Alex's show, as well as being a noted guest on David Knight. | ||
| Do they ever even talk about Kung Fu? | ||
| No. | ||
| I think the record clearly shows that Leo Zagami is less an expert in anything than he is an unhinged lunatic. | ||
| But he's the sort of lunatic that's very useful for someone like Alex. | ||
| A person like Leo is useful as a force of escalation. | ||
| Any decent mainstream news outlet can tell you about the corruption at the Vatican and how there's a systemic problem within the Catholic Church where abuses have been covered up and abusers protected, and that should make you feel mad and cause you to want to see actions taken. | ||
| But Leo Zagami, by pretending to be an insider, can tell Alex that the priests are actually abusing children because it serves the purposes of demons, which they've conjured to the earth using black magic. | ||
| And you can see how these two situations imply slightly different solutions. | ||
| That's the sort of role that Leo Zagami can play towards radicalization, escalation of rhetoric. | ||
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Right. | |
| He's very dangerous. | ||
| Yeah, so he's essentially acting as a protector of the... | ||
| Vatican, in certain sense. | ||
| Because if you can convince enough people that the real issue is demons, they're not going to go to the fucking cops and say, look at this shit. | ||
| They're going to vote for Trump to perform an exorcism on the 4th of July. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, perhaps unintentionally. | ||
| I mean, it's hard to nail down exactly, you know, what is... | ||
| Conscious in what is just kind of a byproduct of stupidity. | ||
| But yeah, the direct effect of it is probably making it more difficult to treat the actual problems. | ||
| Well, it's like when Alex starts talking about child trafficking and shit like that. | ||
| That's a serious issue that we should talk about. | ||
| I mean, Tommy Robinson is a perfect example of that. | ||
| Now, Jordan, you might remember how I told you that Leo Zagami used to go by the name Leo Young, and that until 2006 or so, when he decided to turn on the Illuminati, he'd been a DJ. | ||
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Yes. | |
| Well, funny story about that. | ||
| He's a good DJ? | ||
| Musiclib.org still has a profile up for Leo Young. | ||
| Oh, fuck. | ||
| Yes. | ||
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Oh, man. | |
| There is so much more to Leo Zagami than meets the eye. | ||
| Are we going to listen to some more music? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| According to his music biography, Leo began DJing on a church radio station at the age of 13. By 1988, he claims he'd reached the national finals in the prestigious DMC DJ Championships. | ||
| This very well may be true. | ||
| I can't find a list of that year's finalists for the Italian competition, so all I can say with certainty is that he didn't win. | ||
| The experience at that contest, however, encouraged him to get more involved with the rave scene, where he spent the next decade. | ||
| He claims he is, quote, While I'm not positive that history bears out that Leo Zagami organized the first rave in Italy, he's not making up that he was involved. | ||
| I found a mention of him in an essay posted on the Red Bull Music Academy's website titled, quote, The Rise and Fall of Roman Techno, 1988-1994. | ||
| While there isn't much about him in the article, this is what is said. | ||
| Quote, for all the excitement amongst these young DJs and those who history has forgotten, such as the notoriously wild Leo Young, around acid house techno and the soon-to-emerge hardcore breakbeat scene, the vast majority of Roman club owners and party promoters were less enthusiastic. | ||
| This is an article about the rave scene, which centered more or less around drug use, and Leo Zagami is described as, quote, notoriously wild. | ||
| The mind reels at what he must have been up to in order to get that reputation. | ||
| Yeah, no shit. | ||
| So if he had done a few less drugs, maybe he could have been Giorgio instead of fucking, well, Jesus. | ||
| An article about him on FamilyHouse.net gives some hint about that notoriously wild reputation. | ||
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Quote... | |
| Leo is generally considered to be as mad as an upside-down clown, renowned for a reckless penchant for ludicrous quaffering, questionable neo-pagan mystical interests, threatening verbal behavior, and convincingly delivered allusions to a bloodline of eccentric castle-dwelling Italian aristocrats. | ||
| It seems like that was always kind of a part of his personality, where you just ramble about nonsense. | ||
| Make no mistake about it, Leo Zagami, then known as Leo Young, was an active member of the house music scene in the late 80s, early 90s in Italy. | ||
| He held a three-day rave called L 'Impero D 'Essensi in 1989. | ||
| Then by 1991, he was running a weekly club night called Uona in Rome. | ||
| He did a 12-hour DJ set at a Berlin venue called Tracer. | ||
| And he was said to be a fixture there between 1995 and 1996. | ||
| He claims he was the first DJ ever to play at the Bolshoi Theater in Moscow, which I'm not sure is true. | ||
| He claims that he gave Prodigy their first gig outside of the UK, which probably isn't true, but might be. | ||
| Yeah, that's crazy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's absolutely crazy that Leo Zagami was a fucking rave DJ. | ||
| But his bio for his DJ life kind of undercuts a lot of the claims that he makes about his current hustle now. | ||
| For one, consider this line talking about how much he admires his grandmother. | ||
| Not only did she get Leo his first international DJ residency, but she also financed him going to learn more about recording by becoming a student of the famous London production duo Double Trouble. | ||
| If he was Illuminati royalty and all that, it doesn't seem like he'd make a specific point of his grandmother paying for him to study with some London DJs. | ||
| That seems kind of incongruous. | ||
| That's the first thing that every Illuminati child is taught. | ||
| Say it's your grandmother. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Where'd the money come up, Grandma? | ||
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Yep, yep. | |
| The next line is even weirder, though, talking about how when things were going well for him in London, quote, unfortunately he had to go back to Italy, where at the time you had to do an obligatory year of bollocks in the military before getting your passport back. | ||
| If he was a member of the ruling elite bloodline and the prince of the Illuminati, you'd think they'd easily be able to get him out of something that trivial if it interfered so drastically with his life. | ||
| Say he has a bone spur, for fuck's sake. | ||
| Curious in its absence from this long-winded and very clearly self-written bio, which was penned in 2006, absent is any mention of him being a 33rd degree mason, any mention of any involvement with secret societies at all, any mention of the Illuminati, none of that is in there. | ||
| The only time the Vatican even comes up is when he says that, quote, the Vatican boys weren't happy with him hosting a rave in an old church. | ||
| If I'm being honest with you, I don't know what to make of all this. | ||
| My mind goes back and forth between thinking that his luck had run out with the club scene between 2006 and 2007, and it wasn't paying the bills anymore, so he decided to rebrand. | ||
| Then I also think it's possible that maybe he did way too many drugs, and he started to believe his own bullshit. | ||
| With the information available, there's no way to tell. | ||
| All I can say is that Leo Zagami is low-key one of the most interesting people who's ever been on an episode of InfoWars, and all of the things that make him interesting are literally never brought up in any of his appearances. | ||
| This is insane! | ||
| Yes! | ||
| God, that means that there was a time in Leo Zagami's life where I would have totally wanted to hang out with him and listen to everything he had to say. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Until he did a little too much coke and I was bored. | ||
| Or, yeah, I mean, who knows? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And now, let us all enjoy some of Leo Zagami's music. | ||
| Excuse me. | ||
| Leo Young's music. | ||
| This song, this little sample is from, I cannot stop listening to this song. | ||
| It's called DJ Pimp and the Scarlet Woman. | ||
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I preach, my dear friends, you're about to receive on John Barleycorn, nicotine and the temptations. | |
| I preach, my dear friend, your... | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| Shit, this is actually pretty good. | ||
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And he's adding layers after every break. | |
| This is not bad, Dan. | ||
| It just goes on like that for a while. | ||
| We don't have to listen to all four minutes of it. | ||
| When was that recorded? | ||
| I don't know, but it was a while back. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Look, honestly, I've listened to a bit of his music, and it's legitimately not bad. | ||
| Yeah, no. | ||
| Especially compared to music put out by other people we talk about, like Larry Nichols or Carrie Cassidy. | ||
| He has some skill. | ||
| Yeah, no, I was interested to know when the Chemical Brothers dropped their first tracks. | ||
| Just a few months back, New Interplanetary Melodies, an Italian record label, released the fourth in their series of Artist Spotlight mixes. | ||
| and it was about quote the legendary Leo Young I've listened to the whole thing and it's pretty serviceable I'm not sure any of it reaches the level of being a hit but none of it is stuff that if you heard in the clubs particularly like in the early 90s you'd be yelling for them to turn off yeah yeah yeah Leo Zagami is still an active DJ and what does gigs are you and you're talking about now like now like now now yeah like Al he's on his wife was hosted a Yeah. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Really? | ||
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So... | |
| Isn't this fascinating? | ||
| That is crazy! | ||
| Yeah, Leo Zagami's nuts. | ||
| When I stumbled into some of this stuff, like when I was looking into his history, all this stuff about like, wait a second, you claim that you secretly infiltrated Islam and all this stuff. | ||
| I'm like, this is a fascinating story. | ||
| And I'm like, hours into this rabbit hole. | ||
| And then I'm like... | ||
| Wait a second. | ||
| He claimed he's a DJ. | ||
| Is there any music available? | ||
| And I'd start looking into it. | ||
| I'm like, oh, he's not making that up. | ||
| It was just the craziest rollercoaster ride to go down. | ||
| That is bananas. | ||
| He is a ridiculously interesting figure whenever he's talking about his real life. | ||
| And he's so boring when he's talking about the fake one. | ||
| He's interesting when I'm talking about his real life. | ||
| Fair. | ||
| I'm not positive that I've ever heard him talk about his real life. | ||
| That's 100% fair. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So now let's get back to Alex and Leo on Infowars in present day. | ||
| And you can kind of tell that now Leo is into an anti-communist scam. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's kind of the place he serves within Alex is shit. | ||
| I mean, we are in a situation whereby the left wing has lost the plot and wants to transform the United States of America in a socialist... | ||
| Slash communist country. | ||
| This is not America. | ||
| I used to say a song back in the days by, I remember, Dave Bowen, Pat Metinian. | ||
| Definitely, this is not America the way it was born. | ||
| Okay. | ||
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And also, I added some tracks to Beverly Hills Cop, too. | |
| Also, I am Jesus. | ||
| Yeah, by the way. | ||
| And I did 9-11. | ||
| Don't talk about that too much anymore, but... | ||
| What are you going to do? | ||
| Leo is on the show and also Robert Barnes shows up. | ||
| And Alex is clearly defensive about criticisms that Robert Barnes is on the show. | ||
| All the fucking time. | ||
| Oh, is he? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Are there a lot of people? | ||
| It's certainly something that we've brought up. | ||
| Are there a lot of people criticizing him for that? | ||
| Or is it just a very small amount? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It is yet another instance of him responding to criticisms we've made. | ||
| Whether or not he's responding to us or not, it is interesting because he's a little defensive. | ||
| You know, a lot of folks have asked me, man, Robert Barnes is on the show every week, and like one week out of the month, he's in Austin. | ||
| Yeah, he's our chief legal counsel, but that's not why Bob's here all the time. | ||
| He likes coming on the show, and I like Bob. | ||
| He's my buddy. | ||
| He's a friendly, funny guy. | ||
| He's not, Alex. | ||
| Question answered. | ||
| He's a funny guy, and he's Alex's buddy. | ||
| He's not your buddy, Alex. | ||
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God, Alex just doesn't know who his friends are. | |
| He got in with the wrong crowd. | ||
| Now he's got Barnes around. | ||
| Fucking Barnes. | ||
| So, in this next clip, Leo expresses that he wants to become an American and explains why. | ||
| I want to become American because Donald J. Trump is the president. | ||
| If it was another president, I would have probably renounced to this idea. | ||
| But the fact that Donald J. Trump is the president forced me to become American because he's the only president in the world that is opposing globalism. | ||
| You understand, Alex? | ||
| He's the only one. | ||
| What about Putin? | ||
| What about Orban? | ||
| What about Bolsonaro? | ||
| What about all these other presidents that you keep talking about being the anti-globalist allies around the world? | ||
| What the fuck are you talking about? | ||
| Trump's the only one. | ||
| And also, where the fuck does this fit into your Holy Roman Empire? | ||
| Why do you want to become an American because Trump is president when you clearly have designs of world domination? | ||
| Also, Neo-Leo, if you become an American, you realize that Trump doesn't stay president forever. | ||
| Like, there's going to be a different president. | ||
| I think that they think he might. | ||
| Yeah, I think they do, too. | ||
| Also, I don't think Leo could become a citizen. | ||
| You don't think so? | ||
| Well, he did do 9-11. | ||
| That's going to be a problem. | ||
| That's going to be an issue. | ||
| I don't think that naturalization would be like, well, you know, we kind of get why you did it. | ||
| After 2012, we figured it out. | ||
| It was weird for 11 years, but then we got it. | ||
| I think he would have a more difficult time than he imagines. | ||
| So, in this next clip, Alex just gets back to his Trump didn't exorcism thing. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| How does Leo feel about that? | ||
| Loves it. | ||
| We have become exceptionally evil in some respects because with great power comes great responsibility. | ||
| As Lord Acton said, power tends to corrupt. | ||
| Absolute power corrupts absolutely. | ||
| So we've had great power, and so evil's come and tried to take over. | ||
| So now we're a paradox of incredible good, innovation, and love, but also incredible evil. | ||
| And there's a fight now over the soul of America. | ||
| And Trump, I see this as a ritual, an exorcism. | ||
| Of the evil, of the hate of the left, and Trump knows it's a ritual. | ||
| Melania knows it's a ritual. | ||
| And as I sat there last night on that HDTV, watching her with tears in her eyes, Trump with tears in his eyes, I knew my gut was always right. | ||
| The enemy's response tells you Trump's good, but this was a magic moment. | ||
| We'll come back to you, Robert Barnes. | ||
| So Barnes is sitting there, too. | ||
| Will you catch that quote at the beginning? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The one from Spider-Man? | ||
| Yeah, Lord Acton didn't say, with great power comes great responsibility. | ||
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Oh, he didn't? | |
| Uncle Ben did. | ||
| I think Alex realized in the middle of the quote that it was a Spider-Man quote, and he tried to save it by throwing in another quote about power afterwards that wasn't related to what he was already saying. | ||
| Sure, Lord Acton did say that. | ||
| I wonder how he felt about Far From Home. | ||
| I imagine he saw that recently. | ||
| I bet he was furious. | ||
| Lord Acton did say that line about power corrupting, but most people don't know too much more about the guy. | ||
| For instance, did you know that though he was a British politician, he was super into the Confederacy during the American Civil War? | ||
| I did not know that. | ||
| But don't worry, he was definitely against slavery. | ||
| He just thought that the Union, quote, treated the slave owner as an enemy, and they've used the slave as an instrument for his destruction. | ||
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Ah, yeah, cool. | |
| Also, did you know that Lord Acton was basically a theocrat? | ||
| He literally said quote political rights proceed directly from religious duties and I hold this to be the basis for liberalism. | ||
| So he would have loved Neo-Leo Zagami? | ||
| Probably. | ||
| What I'm getting at is Lord Acton sucks, and Alex only quoted him because what he wanted to say was a Spider-Man quote, and he didn't want to look stupid in front of Barnes and Leo Zagami, which on its own is incredibly sad. | ||
| Yeah, that is sad. | ||
| That is a bummer. | ||
| Barnes is a shitty, terrible, dumb lawyer, and Leo Zagami thinks he's Jesus. | ||
| And you're like... | ||
| And you're like... | ||
| I mean, I'm giving out Spider-Man quotes. | ||
| If he had leaned into a Spider-Man quote, I would have considered him the smartest man there. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So you asked what Leo Zagami thinks about this Christian exorcism ritual thing, and actually we find out what he thinks in this next clip. | ||
| And you're also an expert on the occult. | ||
| You're a Christian, but explain. | ||
| Trump no doubt did a huge Christian ritual yesterday. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| I mean, it's an egregore. | ||
| Egregore means a thought form. | ||
| You put together many people thinking the same thing, you obtain a thought form, and that is incredibly powerful. | ||
| This was highest level magic. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Not from an occult perspective. | ||
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No, no, no. | |
| The devil tries to twist God's systems and put names on it. | ||
| Listen, even churches are egregore. | ||
| This is silly. | ||
| This is completely fucking silly. | ||
| Quite frankly, just take a step back. | ||
| They're talking about Trump conducting a magic ritual. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Like, this is what they're about now. | ||
| Right. | ||
| This is a guy who claims that he reads all the white papers and like, I'm not into aliens and UFOs and stuff. | ||
| Like, that was his whole branding back in the day. | ||
| Now, Trump did a magic ritual. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| And it's not like evil magic. | ||
| No. | ||
| It's an egregore. | ||
| It's an egregore. | ||
| Shout out to Robert Evans over at Behind the Bastard who loves egregore. | ||
| So egregore is a word that was invented by the French poet Victor Hugo in his book The Legend of the Ages. | ||
| It's a faulty transliteration of the Greek word egregoros, which loosely translates to watcher. | ||
| Just because it's close to a Greek word, though, don't be mistaken. | ||
| It was a fake word created by Victor Hugo. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Since the word's creation, it's been co-opted by a ton of occult weirdos, including Helena Bovlatsky and the Theosophical Society, and it's been adopted into all their mythologies. | ||
| It's the same thing with Lovecraft creating the fictional book The Necronomicon, when then a ton of real-world weirdos pretend it's a real book in a central part of their occult shenanigans. | ||
| Yeah, sure, sure, sure, of course. | ||
| There's a number of definitions out there for what counts as an egregore, but the general rule is that it's a thought form that's brought into existence. | ||
| Santa Claus is an egregore. | ||
| For the most part, the New Age and occult world's take on it is basically just dressed up versions of basic self-help ideas. | ||
| Basically just artistic expressions used to warn people not to let negative thoughts consume them lest they manifest those negative thoughts. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| Like the god of guilt at the end of The Long Dark Tea Time of the Soul. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| You have like tulpas that are created individually and then egregores are created as a group. | ||
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Gotcha. | |
| Those are the two different kinds of thought forms. | ||
| And where do you... | ||
| Elementals and sex magic come in. | ||
| They don't come into it. | ||
| What? | ||
| They're a boring cult. | ||
| So that's sort of what you might call the mainline version of new agey and occult nonsense, but that's not how everyone understands egregores. | ||
| I found an interesting post about egregores on the blog of Nazi-friendly and explicitly white supremacist radio show Red Ice Radio, where the author discusses how a listener named George had told him about a conversation he'd had with a, quote, heiress of a rich Jewish banking family who was not the Rothschilds, although her family dwelled Oh, that's... | ||
| Like, how close to the neighbor? | ||
| Real close. | ||
| I think you can already tell. | ||
| Is it like a duplex? | ||
| I think you can tell this is not going to be good. | ||
| It doesn't sound good. | ||
| Quote, Also, | ||
| she told Osama to do 9-11. | ||
| The article goes on to suggest that it's very possible that the elite Jews of the past created an egregore which serves them, which explains their world domination. | ||
| The article says, quote, My friend, you change a couple of words in that sentence and you got yourself an Alex Jones quote. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| So that dude thinks that the ancient Jews got a genie to do their bidding for a while. | ||
| Well, if it was, the djins come out of a different culture. | ||
| I was doing specifically Genie and not Gin. | ||
| You know, I was doing the Americanized, like... | ||
| Egregore, if you will, Dan. | ||
| You have to. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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You can't deviate off the path because Jin and Jeannie probably have different connotations than egregore. | |
| I have to say I strongly disagree with everything in that article, but I do admit that it is swinging for the fences. | ||
| Listen to this amazing rationalization for being a bigot. | ||
| Quote, it doesn't take a genius to recognize this egregore is the cause of anti-Semitism. | ||
| Stop there, sir. | ||
| Jewish leaders use anti-Semitism to manipulate Jews who are taught that they are reviled for no reason. | ||
| You see, Jordan, anti-Semites don't hate Jews for no reason. | ||
| It's just that they instinctually can sense the egregore, which is what they're really against. | ||
| That is impressive rationalization. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| I mean, it does not take a genius. | ||
| In fact, it explicitly excludes a genius believing this shit. | ||
| So, you know what's weird about this blog post? | ||
| Other than the content? | ||
| It was written by Leo Zagami. | ||
| I found an identical post to this on David Duke's website. | ||
| A closer look revealed that this article wasn't actually written by someone who worked for Red Ice. | ||
| It was a reposting of an article that was originally posted on the website of a guy named Henry Macow, with a byline on it for Henry Macow, Ph.D. His Ph.D. is apparently in literature, so it's definitely a good credential for him to tout when publishing his rewrite. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Glimpsing around Macau's site, you get a pretty good sense of what he's all about. | ||
| His most recent post was, quote, Jews use immigration to divide and conquer. | ||
| A quick look through his archives shows the following headlines from pretty recently. | ||
| Quote, Can a Jew identify with whites? | ||
| Can they? | ||
| Quote, That doesn't sound right. | ||
| Quote, Why do Jews stage hate crimes? | ||
| You might be a redneck? | ||
| Quote, anti-Semitism is often justified. | ||
| Uh, no, I'm not. | ||
| I don't even have anything funny to say to that one. | ||
| And quote, I have been shut out of Twitter for a week. | ||
| I wonder why. | ||
| Nice punch. | ||
| So Henry Macau runs a clearly deeply anti-Semitic website where he wrote an article in 2007 arguing that the Jewish god is an egregore that was caused to be created to destroy non-Jews, which was then widely circulated on very high-profile anti-Semitic... | ||
| Websites and media outlets like Red Ice, David Duke's website. | ||
| But why do I bring all this up? | ||
| It can't just be because I love saying egregore, even though I do. | ||
| It is, and everybody does. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| In 2008, when Leo Zagami's wife left him after he went on Project Camelot, Leo reached out to Kerry to prove that he knew about that alleged Norwegian politician who had contacted her warning about Planet X. He was clearly looking for a rebooking on the show. | ||
| As evidence of his claims that he knew this Norwegian politician, he provided two letters that he'd written and sent to two friends wherein he'd mentioned to them that he knew the politician. | ||
| One of those two people was Henry Macau. | ||
| I'll read to you now from his letter from March 13, 2008, which I'll remind you is after Macau wrote his article accusing the Jewish religion of being based on a communist egregore named Lucifer. | ||
| Leo begins his letter, quote, Dear Henry, thank you for your continuous support and please forgive me if I could not reply earlier. | ||
| The letter is mostly about how his wife was secretly working for the Illuminati and that's why she left him. | ||
| And then awkwardly shoehorned into it are a couple references to this Norwegian politician. | ||
| The content of the message is less important than the clear, friendly tone of it. | ||
| He refers to Henry as my friend and dear Henry multiple times. | ||
| And he ends the letter fraternally yours. | ||
| Leo Zagami is listed as a source or reference in no less than 15 articles on Henry's website, dating back to 2007. | ||
| The two men have a long-standing relationship, and let me put it simply, egregore is not a commonly used word, and Henry seems to use it in one specific way. | ||
| Here are the headlines that come up when you search Henry Macau's website for the word egregore. | ||
| Quote, Purim. | ||
| Jews celebrate the slaughter of their opponents. | ||
| Quote, Jewish shakedown of Poland de-emancipates Jews. | ||
| Quote, Jews, the unloved people. | ||
| And then here's another one. | ||
| Quote, Leo Zagami. | ||
| December 12, 2012 starts seven years of tribulation. | ||
| That article is just bullet points of a Skype conversation that Henry had with Leo, and it includes this passage. | ||
| Quote, Leo mentioned the Kabbalist concept of the egregore. | ||
| Then it says in parentheses, see Macau, the god that serves elite Jews, with a hyperlink to Henry Macau's article about how they created an egregore. | ||
| All this is enough to be really fucking suspicious. | ||
| But, to add a little icing to the cake, I should tell you that Project Camelot was not the first high-profile interview that Leo Zagami did in his anti-Illuminati career. | ||
| In December 2006, he appeared as a guest on Red Ice Radio, the white supremacist show that reposted Henry Macow's article about the Jewish God being an egregore, which justifies anti-Semitism. | ||
| This, Jordan, is what you call way too many red flags. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Oh, and remember that blog about Leo's wife leaving him that I mentioned earlier and told you to remember? | ||
| The one that was written by a personal friend of his? | ||
| That one that was called Kentroversy Papers, if you recall? | ||
| That blog was written by a guy named Kent Daniel Bentkowski. | ||
| Kent passed away in August 2008, and his blog is way too difficult to navigate, so I don't really know too much about what he's all about. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| You know, it's like, hey, Dan, you're giving Red Ice a really unfair shake, you know, demonizing them. | ||
| Here's a little clip of some of their work. | ||
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They want you, straight white guy, destitute, suffering, and then dead. | |
| They want your daughters brainwashed to disown you and your sons groveling at the feet of anti-whites. | ||
| You know who they is. | ||
| You know who they is. | ||
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Aww. | |
| Strangely, in that video, she doesn't explain who Thay is. | ||
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She doesn't? | |
| She's just left to be like a, you know who we're talking about. | ||
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Really? | |
| Do I? | ||
| Yeah, you do. | ||
| I kind of do, don't I? | ||
| Yeah, you kind of do. | ||
| Isn't that an issue? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, I think that Leo, even on top of all of the interesting aspects of his life, is clearly involved with a lot of people who have... | ||
| Oh, shall we say, deeply anti-Semitic worldviews that they perpetuate. | ||
| He's a dear friend of Henry MacHouse from way back. | ||
| I don't think there's any conclusion you can draw other than some of that stuff is probably in his worldview. | ||
| And when he talks about egregores... | ||
| On Alex's show, it's clearly, it exists in the context of Henry Macau and the egregore accusation of the Jewish God being a creation out of the minds of elite Jews of the past in order to subjugate the world. | ||
| You know, it makes so much sense. | ||
| And I'd be fine with it if they weren't fucking a... | ||
| Directly contributing and expanding the issue. | ||
| But of course these people get conned non-stop. | ||
| You have to be really, really stupid to believe any of this shit. | ||
| Well, Alex is being conned right now. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And if it was just Nigerian scams that they all got... | ||
| Like, if all the dumb people were... | ||
| Oh, it was all just financial? | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| I'd be totally fine with that. | ||
| The problem is they're getting conned and then making more people fucking shitty. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| It's a con that, in much the same way burning coal releases gases that are destructive, burning this sort of coal, this sort of con, the byproduct that pollutes is that other people become much more stupidly hateful. | ||
| Yeah, that is probably a big part of what makes it so objectionable. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's not the people getting conned. | ||
| No. | ||
| I would be fine with conning these people as long as I wasn't hurting anybody. | ||
| But that's why the... | ||
| The confidence man is such an archetype in American history. | ||
| There's something kind of enjoyable about watching someone pull off a really good scam. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Especially when it's against a rich person or a bigot or somebody like that, and you're like, they totally have it coming. | ||
| I don't want them to have their money. | ||
| Robin Hood is a hero for a reason. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Or he's seen as a hero for a reason. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| There's nothing intrinsically wrong when you're directing it in the right places to a scam. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, absolutely. | ||
| Yeah, the part that's a problem is everything else. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So, in this next clip, I think this is Barnes, says some stupid shit. | ||
| What a shock. | ||
| So there was all this efforts to sort of demonize America, and you get a sense for how important American history, American freedom, American liberty is all connected together. | ||
| That's the reason why the president had that ritualistic celebration yesterday, did so celebrating our military prowess, did so celebrating the spirit of our history, did so by celebrating all of the heroes and patriots over time who've done extraordinary things to keep the light of liberty alive. | ||
| And not only here in America, but around the world, because it's America that led the world. | ||
| Every other democratic country post-dates the American Revolution in any meaning. | ||
| You're so fucking stupid, Barnes. | ||
| You're so goddamn fucking stupid. | ||
| You're so fucking stupid. | ||
| It's not even close to true. | ||
| But you know what's kind of interesting? | ||
| I realize that I think Barnes breathes in really loudly in between every dead space so Alex can't interrupt him. | ||
| I think that he's listened to enough of Alex's. | ||
| Because I've listened to a bunch of his appearances. | ||
| Never hear Alex interrupt him. | ||
| And it's either a function of subservience, like Alex knows that Barnes has got something. | ||
| Something, yeah. | ||
| Or it's like he's... | ||
| So Alex doesn't have a spot to jump in. | ||
| So it would be way ruder for him to interrupt. | ||
| Man, if I were Alex, I would first recognize that Barnes wasn't my buddy. | ||
| No. | ||
| And second, recognize that... | ||
| Barnes has designs. | ||
| No matter how much I like Barnes, But if my lawyer was sitting in between two people saying that Trump just exercised literally, using magic, literally, and I didn't say anything? | ||
| I'm a bad lawyer. | ||
| Yeah, and if you join in on it. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Because he does. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Now, he specifically said ritualistic and celebrating military prowess because he was like, I'm not going to out and out sign off. | ||
| No, he does. | ||
| Oh, he really does? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| He signs off on the exorcism bullshit. | ||
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Really? | |
| But that's also because I think he doesn't want to be a lawyer anymore. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think that there's probably a piece of it that I've expressed. | ||
| Like, he wants to be the go-to lawyer for... | ||
| Dumb shithead settling lawsuits. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Because that's a cakewalk. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But he'd also probably rather transition into this pundit role. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because that's even easier. | ||
| Oh, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Like, Napolitano is so much happier not to work for a living. | ||
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Right. | |
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Say what you want about it. | ||
| Barnes is decent at this. | ||
| Yeah, no, he's not bad. | ||
| He can rattle off shit. | ||
| That breathing has got to stop. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But, like, the rest of it, he's serviceable in a propaganda role. | ||
| He could hang... | ||
| With the Owen Shroyers and David Knights of the world easily. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So if he wanted to make that sort of a transition, I think that's what he's working towards. | ||
| It does seem like it. | ||
| So in this next clip, Leo Zagami talks about how he recently went to a Walmart and he's bummed out about something. | ||
| That the whole of the Hollywood apparatus still worships all this royal family. | ||
| And every time I go in any Walmart, I see all these newspapers and they only talk about the British royal families. | ||
| How is this possible? | ||
| Why don't you talk about the beautiful family Donald Trump had? | ||
| Which one, buddy? | ||
| How low priority are your problems? | ||
| You're going to Walmart and you're mad about what's in tabloid covers? | ||
| What are you doing? | ||
| What is the point? | ||
| Tabloids still have Princess Di conspiracy theories on the cover. | ||
| Dan, WWJD. | ||
| What would Jesus be doing? | ||
| At a Walmart. | ||
| Complaining about tabloids. | ||
| Yeah, perhaps. | ||
| Obvious. | ||
| So, in this next clip, man, this just isn't good. | ||
| This is just bad. | ||
| Well, I mean, the reason why InfoWars is targeted is for the same reason that all these sort of anti-American activities are taking place by people like Congressman Castro, by people like Congresswoman Omar, by people like AOC. | ||
| It's people who really don't love and believe in America because it's the greatest resistance to the efforts that they're trying to do. | ||
| So InfoWars is America. | ||
| InfoWars is Americana. | ||
| InfoWars is Independence Day. | ||
| InfoWars is July 4th because it reflects and represents Americana at its core, not just protects it. | ||
| Defends it as it does on a day-to-day basis. | ||
| So, you know, Julian Castro, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, and Ilhan Omar, they're all anti-Americans who don't love this country and actually working against the country. | ||
| Now, Robert Barnes, Alex Jones, Caitlin Bennett, they're all what America is really about. | ||
| And they're the ones protecting the real America. | ||
| So let me ask you a question. | ||
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Is there certain things that... | |
| Both groups share that are different from each other. | ||
| Man, you know, if there were something really easily distinguishable to tell between the two groups, I think that would probably make what you're saying kind of overt. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I think it... | ||
| So, let me ask you a question. | ||
| Infowars. | ||
| Right. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Is Americana. | ||
| They are the 4th of July. | ||
| Right. | ||
| They are the American flag. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Which, by the way, is authoritarian propaganda 101. | ||
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Yeah, no shit. | |
| That sort of shit. | ||
| That's really easy. | ||
| We are the flag. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Let me equate what I say with the entire country symbol. | ||
| And the only right version of patriotism. | ||
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Uh-huh. | |
| Hey, guys. | ||
| Good job. | ||
| Yeah, it does seem like you should be disqualified from calling yourself Americana if you don't know American history at all. | ||
| That is, I mean, yeah, it is a problem. | ||
| It's definitely... | ||
| You know, because you're saying we are the 4th of July, we are Americana, but you don't know what those things are. | ||
| You're making them up. | ||
| Right. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| It's just taking xenophobia, racism, hierarchical structures that are created around superficial characteristics. | ||
| In a certain sense, that is Americana and who we are. | ||
| Right. | ||
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But it's definitely something that there's been a trend away from. | |
| Yeah. | ||
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Whereas they believe it's what it's all about. | |
| Yeah. | ||
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It doesn't seem like it fits within our ideals or at least the ideals set forth by those brilliant founding fathers on 1812. | |
| You know, Leo Zagami signed that Declaration of Independence. | ||
| Did he? | ||
| No shit. | ||
| Wait, hold on. | ||
| Real quick question. | ||
| Does he think that he is a reincarnated Jesus or of the bloodline of Jesus? | ||
| It's not clear, but he literally said he is Jesus and he is the Messiah. | ||
| Yeah, and he did say that he... | ||
| And he's also from the bloodline. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's all of them. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So, Barnes, like I said, I think he's strategically breathing in order to make it so Alex can't interrupt him. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Which is a smart move on his part. | ||
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Right. | |
| Gets you much more time to get your points out. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| But in this next clip, I think he shows his cards in terms of, like, really wanting to stay coming on the show. | ||
| Listen to this. | ||
| This is pro shit. | ||
| Barnes does his homework. | ||
| President Trump talked about America forever, no matter what. | ||
| And I believe what he meant was the spirit of America will be here forever. | ||
| They can't crush it. | ||
| They can't kill it. | ||
| They can't destroy it. | ||
| They can't wipe it out. | ||
| Just as the idea of InfoWars will be here forever. | ||
| They can't crush it. | ||
| They can't destroy it because the audience continues to support it, because the audience continues to believe in it, because the audience keeps it alive by doing things like going to InfoWarsStore.com and supporting it in any and every possible way they can. | ||
| That's such a smoother ad pivot. | ||
| Wow! | ||
| That is next level. | ||
| That is good. | ||
| You have to imagine Alex was sitting there like, my eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord. | ||
| Start singing the Battle Hymn of the Republic. | ||
| God, that's like the reverse of what a caller does when they open up with, like, I do all the, I love taking your products and all that shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's one that I, like, when I was listening, I didn't even see it coming. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| He snuck it in. | ||
| That was smooth as shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So I think Barnes. | ||
| Unapologetically. | ||
| Barnes is knocking it out of the park. | ||
| Good work, Barnes. | ||
| So, Alex, I mean, he's had a day here. | ||
| He's drank some champagne. | ||
| He's hung out with Jesus, who did 9-11. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Also Club DJ. | ||
| And Barnes, who's trying to single white female him right now. | ||
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There's a lot of psychodrama going on in this studio. | |
| A lot of people coming at him with a lot of different angles. | ||
| It's pretty impressive. | ||
| If I were him, I'd need a drink, too. | ||
| There are a lot of spinning plates, yeah. | ||
| So here's how he ends up finishing up the show. | ||
| I'll be back this Sunday, 4 to 6 p.m. | ||
| I'll be back tomorrow, noon. | ||
| For at least a two-hour special broadcast. | ||
| And I think I'm doing more tonight. | ||
| In fact, I'm just doing 20 hours this weekend. | ||
| We're not giving up. | ||
| We're dug in and we're winning. | ||
| But we're going to fight even harder now to ensure that victory. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Go do your 24 hours on air. | ||
| You need some money. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, I mean, we've come to the end of this. | ||
| And I will say that the difference between this episode and other present-day episodes, I think... | ||
| Well, first of all, the Leo Zagami of it all. | ||
| Perfect. | ||
| Perfect. | ||
| That story, we could have just done that story and I would have been like, this episode was amazing. | ||
| The thing is, I think in the present day, I recognize the stakes of the things he's saying. | ||
| And they become so serious that I allow Alex to really guide what I need to cover. | ||
| Whereas I approach this episode, since the Trump is doing an exorcism in his Fourth of July speech, is so goddamn stupid that I just allowed myself to be like, now what's interesting to me here? | ||
| How much do I know about Leo Zagami? | ||
| And it led me down these roads that are far less... | ||
| I mean, they're disturbing in some ways, but they're less awful. | ||
| I think I need to carry that with me in the future. | ||
| I think it's a lesson learned of, you know, don't shy away from the important stuff when Alex is being a dick about it. | ||
| But also trust that there's a better story to be told somewhere else than where Alex is pointing. | ||
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Right. | |
| Because, I mean, at this point, if we're doing another episode on him being a complete and utter bigot who wants to start another civil war, it's like, everybody already knows. | ||
| Yeah, that's been a lot of episodes. | ||
| You want to kill people, so... | ||
| There you go. | ||
| I think there is some value to keeping an eye on that as it escalates. | ||
| But yeah, I think it's far more important to trust my instincts to know where something interesting could be. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| And find it. | ||
| Not least of which because you did not begin this episode with your usual exhortation of, you know I hate being in the present day. | ||
| I mean, there's still parts of it that I hate. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| But man, oh man. | ||
| Leo Zagami. | ||
| Zagami, what is going on? | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| Crazy stuff. | ||
| What a life. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That is so much fun. | ||
| You know, if he wasn't mixed up with people trying to rationalize anti-Semitism and he didn't have complete, real dicey, dubious history in his personal life, you almost think, God, I want to talk to that guy. | ||
| I know, right? | ||
| But I do not. | ||
| Now, I want to talk to that guy at the right point in his life. | ||
| Definitely not now. | ||
| That might have been 88. That might have been 88. And that might have been too late. | ||
| It was probably too late. | ||
| He already was, quote, notoriously wild. | ||
| Yeah, but that would have been fun. | ||
| Yeah, maybe. | ||
| So, we'll be back on Wednesday with another episode. | ||
| But until then, we have a website. | ||
| We do. | ||
| It's knowledgefight.com. | ||
| That's correct. | ||
| We're also on Twitter. | ||
| We are! | ||
| Knowledge underscore fight and at GoToBedJordan. | ||
| Also, people can contact you if they want more details. | ||
| You're going to be at Zany's all this month. | ||
| Yes, I will be. | ||
| Tuesday through Sunday for the next three weeks. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| All the month of July. | ||
| People can reach out to you on Twitter if they want more information. | ||
| Yeah, please do. | ||
| Showtimes and such. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Also on Facebook. | ||
| We are! | ||
| You can download our podcast. | ||
| You can go to iTunes. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| You could go to your nearest Mariano's. | ||
| They often play that as a... | ||
| Muzak? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| They put that in the speakers there so people walking around... | ||
| It really has changed the scene. | ||
| I know. | ||
| It's changed things a lot. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| A lot more people are going to the bar at Mariano's now. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Other than that, let's see. | ||
| Can't do Zagami because, you know. | ||
| Lord knows. | ||
| He did 9-11. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I forgot about that part of it. | ||
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| Uncle Ben? | ||
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Uncle Ben has definitely not killed him. | |
| That's not good. | ||
| But it'll have to do. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Uncle Ben from Spider-Man never killed anybody, but one guy who technically probably has is Alex Jones. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
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I'm a huge fan. | |
| I love your work. |