Today, Dan and Jordan take a look at what Alex Jones is up to in the current day, and find him being absolutely all over the place. His lawyer is a guest on two straight episodes and the two of them seem to think they have psychic powers. More importantly than all that, this episode contains the greatest out of context drop of all time.
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| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
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I'm a huge fan. | |
| I love your work. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Hey, everybody. | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
| I'm Jordan. | ||
| We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Indeed we are, Dan. | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| Dan! | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| What is your favorite way to eat potatoes? | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| I'm so glad you asked. | ||
| Do you prefer fries? | ||
| Do you prefer chips? | ||
| Mashed? | ||
| Baked? | ||
| That's way too big a question, quite frankly. | ||
| There's a lot of potato presentations. | ||
| I would say that I'm partial to mashed potatoes, but that's just because it's kind of a cumbersome process to make them. | ||
| And so when they show up, it's usually special. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So that's one thing I would say. | ||
| But I probably wouldn't put them at the top. | ||
| I would say tots are up there. | ||
| Tots. | ||
| God, I always forget about tots because they're garbage. | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
| Tots are garbage. | ||
| We're going to fight. | ||
| If you have to choose the best fry, top probably doesn't count. | ||
| So I'd say waffle. | ||
| Waffle fry is probably the best. | ||
| Top fry of all time, yeah. | ||
| Shoestring potato, very underrated candidate in this conversation. | ||
| I think I'm going to stick with baked. | ||
| Or no, not baked. | ||
| Mashed. | ||
| Mashed potatoes? | ||
| Baked is... | ||
| It's in there. | ||
| It's in the conversation. | ||
| A lot of good ways to eat a potato. | ||
| How about chips? | ||
| Chips are fine. | ||
| Chips are fine. | ||
| Chips are almost like a placeholder. | ||
| Yeah, they're just there. | ||
| They're just there. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Although a good kettle cook. | ||
| They have a crunch! | ||
| This has been the most riveting conversation. | ||
| I am a little hungry. | ||
| Thankfully, our Out of Context drop, which you'll hear in a little bit, has something to do with food. | ||
| Of course! | ||
| This is a podcast where I know a lot about Alex Jones and potatoes. | ||
| And I only know what you tell me, and I'm goddamn Irish, so I know everything. | ||
| About the potatoes. | ||
| So, Jordan, today we are in the present. | ||
| We will be going over May 30th and 31st, 2019, which is Thursday and Friday of the week that was. | ||
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No shit. | |
| Appreciate it also very much. | ||
| So first of all, Kim, thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a technocrat. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Crikey, mate. | ||
| That's fantastic. | ||
| Have yourself a brew. | ||
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| Why are you pimps so good? | ||
| My neck is freakishly large. | ||
| I declare. | ||
| Infowar on you. | ||
| Thank you so much, Kim. | ||
| Yes, thank you very much, Kim. | ||
| And then finally, also Douglas, you are now a technocrat. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Crikey, mate, that's fantastic. | ||
| Have yourself a brew. | ||
| How's your 401k doing, bro? | ||
| We gotta go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, alright? | ||
| Let's just get down to business. | ||
| We ain't making that money off that heroin. | ||
| Why are you pimps so good? | ||
| My neck is freakishly large. | ||
| I declare... | ||
| Infowar on you! | ||
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| Absolutely. | ||
| So, like I said, in the present day, mentioned it on the episode from last Friday, that we were very interested in finding out Alex's very predictable spin on the Mueller press conference. | ||
| I assume it's AOC's fault? | ||
| Dude! | ||
| She does come up. | ||
| That can't be real. | ||
| Not in the context of the Mueller stuff, but he has a real serious bone to pick about something she said. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| We'll discuss that as it comes up. | ||
| Do you mean anything she said he hasn't said? | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| Seems like I've got to spend a lot of time covering live streams of hers in the right-wing media. | ||
| But we'll get to Alex's take on the Mueller stuff. | ||
| It's actually fairly predictable, as we expected. | ||
| And a very small part of what makes these two days of Alex's show super fucked up. | ||
| They reach levels of astonishment that I haven't had in quite a while. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
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That's interesting. | |
| There's something that happens towards the end of this episode that really... | ||
| Really took me aback. | ||
| Are we, like, out of left field Somali pirate territory, or are we out of the fucking pitcher's mound with racism? | ||
| More the latter than the pride. | ||
| That's what I thought. | ||
| Yeah, there are a few things that catch me as off guard as saying you gotta give it up for the Somali pirates. | ||
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Right. | |
| And that's a real rarefied class of Alex Jones comment. | ||
| Yeah, because there's so many... | ||
| If we were talking about a normal person, that would, you know... | ||
| No. | ||
| But here's another context drop before we get into any of the, you know, the stuff. | ||
| I was back in the coffee room where somebody bought donuts and I just inhaled two of them. | ||
| Stop it! | ||
| Even though I appreciate it. | ||
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I love that so much. | |
| I can't. | ||
| I don't know how to deal with that! | ||
| I love it! | ||
| I love it so much. | ||
| That's so disarming. | ||
| I'm disarmed by that. | ||
| It might be one of my favorite little moments ever. | ||
| Stop it! | ||
| But I appreciate it. | ||
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The I appreciate it is so softly delivered. | |
| God damn it. | ||
| So, in this first clip, we start on the 30th, and Alex has some information to give you. | ||
| And it's his explanation of why the globalists want to get him off the air. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Which is something he's explained to us, I don't know, a billion fucking times? | ||
| Yeah, it has something to do with migratory patterns of deer, right? | ||
| Something to do with that. | ||
| This is a little bit different. | ||
| And he gives some specifics that I can actually explain. | ||
| Is the reason the globalists want to get him off the air? | ||
| Maybe that's a good thing. | ||
| I'm going to lay something out here that I've talked a lot about. | ||
| And it's the reason the establishment wants me off the air. | ||
| And it's the reason that when John Kelly came into the White House, his number one rule was do not let this list of people near the president. | ||
| And that list included a long string of retired, respected generals and other members of the military. | ||
| Stubble by him. | ||
| And it also had yours truly at the top of the list. | ||
| Because their people were obviously listening in on my phone calls with the president. | ||
| When I said, sir, you got to go after him for the illegal FISA warrants. | ||
| This is when he called to thank me two days after he got elected. | ||
| I told him this. | ||
| When he called me a month later, when he called me a week after that, when he called me the time after that, I said, Mr. President, can you stop thanking me? | ||
| Because I know this is just a pat on the head, sir. | ||
| I know you're calling people that supported you, and I appreciate it. | ||
| I don't need the praise. | ||
| They're coming after you. | ||
| You've got people that have infiltrated all around you, sort of telling them who they are. | ||
| I said, these are Soros operatives. | ||
| And I listed some of the names. | ||
| And I said, you've got people lying to you that are bringing these folks in, and they're going to try to bring you down. | ||
| And he'd say, very interesting, tell me more. | ||
| And I'd say, well, here's this particular lady that they brought in over your staffing. | ||
| You think she comes from the Republicans, but she really has worked at the State Department for the whole Soros project. | ||
| So basically she's a Hillary operative, and she's going to stack the deck against you, and they're running espionage operations against you under the name of counterespionage. | ||
| Now, how did I know all of this? | ||
| I can explain that. | ||
| But what I'm saying is if they wanted to get him off the air or whatever because he was telling the president stuff like this, he's misleading the president. | ||
| Yeah, and that would be fine if the president wasn't a sundowning moron. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| That might be an issue. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So when Alex says, how do you think I knew that? | ||
| I realize, well, let's see if we can figure out, first of all, what the fuck he's talking about. | ||
| Because, you know, you've got to figure out who is he talking about. | ||
| He gives enough context clues. | ||
| Somebody who is in the State Department. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So we know that he warned Trump about a woman who was brought into Trump's staffing. | ||
| It's involved in staffing somehow. | ||
| That reduces the suspects by 98%. | ||
| Yeah, Trump believes her to be on the team, but she's actually a Soros operative. | ||
| So what does it mean to be, quote, over the staffing? | ||
| If it means being chief of staff, then this conspiracy Alex is warning Trump about is impossible, because guess what? | ||
| Since that position was created in 1946 under its original name, Assistant to the President, no woman has ever filled that role. | ||
| So obviously this can't be a chief of staff that Alex is talking about, which is weird, because that's who does a lot of the staffing in the Oval Office. | ||
| I wonder why. | ||
| Mick Mulvaney is currently the acting chief of staff, but that's a fairly recent thing. | ||
| So for our examination, I'm only going to consider people who were around under the reins of Reince Priebus and John Kelly in order to pin down who Alex is talking about. | ||
| Obama had no female chiefs of staff. | ||
| However, there were five women who served as deputy chiefs of staff. | ||
| So maybe this is what he's talking about. | ||
| An Obama-Hillary holdover. | ||
| But unfortunately, none of them stuck around at all into Trump's administration. | ||
| I wonder why. | ||
| The two who were still around in 2017 both left on Inauguration Day. | ||
| I wonder why. | ||
| So Katie Walsh was a deputy chief of staff working on scheduling for the Trump administration. | ||
| She was on board from the jump as she was a part of the transition team, but she left the administration early in March 2017 to join the pro-Trump dark money super PAC, America First Policies, which was founded by Brad Parscali, Trump's head of digital operations in the 2016 election. | ||
| A lot of Trump administration folk found their way to America First Policies. | ||
| And so did some Nazis. | ||
| Um, I don't understand. | ||
| Why are those two separate? | ||
| Words in your... | ||
| Why are those two separate statements? | ||
| I believe they are redundant in some ways. | ||
| Their director of advocacy, Carl Higbee, had to resign in early 2018 after CNN found a bunch of old radio shows he did where he was super racist, super Islamophobic, super anti-LGBTQ, and literally advocated for being able to shoot and kill anyone who came across the border undocumented. | ||
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Whoa, whoa, whoa. | |
| Guys, why are you getting rid of me? | ||
| I don't want the last one anymore. | ||
| This is called America First Policies. | ||
| What have I done wrong? | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| This seems in line with everything that guy is saying. | ||
| There were a few other racism scandals, but the worst was probably the one that surrounded America First Policies, the guy who was their policy advisor, Juan Pablo Andrade. | ||
| Andrade had previously been on Trump's National Hispanic Advisory Council, as well as the National Diversity Coalition, before heading to the super PAC America First policies. | ||
| Newsmax had put him on their 30 under 30 list in 2017, signaling that he was a real rising star in the dumb-dumb right-wing world. | ||
| Unfortunately, that year his star exploded when he recorded himself ranting in a hotel room at a Turning Point USA conference. | ||
| A hotel room, I should point out, was paid for by Turning Point. | ||
| He wasn't just an attendee of the conference. | ||
| He was there by invitation. | ||
| Anyway, in the video he says, quote, the only thing the Nazis didn't get right is that they didn't keep fucking going. | ||
| I'm sure he'd like to argue that he was just joking, but if you look more into the circumstances, he definitely wasn't. | ||
| Yeah, no, I think at a certain point, you guys, we all gotta just admit that a few bad apples amounts to, and actually they're creating Nazis on purpose. | ||
| That's what they want. | ||
| It's their whole goal. | ||
| They're just mad when somebody gets caught. | ||
| We all know that the whole thing is Nazis. | ||
| Seems weird. | ||
| So anyway, Katie Walsh was the deputy chief of staff, but she left to go join that group, so she clearly isn't the person that Alex is talking about. | ||
| She could have been a Soros operative that was on the transition team and then left for America First Policies, this place that seems to be literally dripping with bigots, and is run by Trump's head of communications, digital communications. | ||
| Yeah, unless she's a really good Soros operative. | ||
| Guess what? | ||
| She is who Alex is talking about. | ||
| What? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| In the early days of the Trump campaign, paranoia was at a fever pitch on all sides. | ||
| Folks on the left and in the middle were rightfully very worried about what was coming, but the right was really worried too, just over slightly different issues. | ||
| The right, particularly the more authoritarian-leaning part of the right wing, were very worried that unless dissent was crushed within the Trump administration, he wouldn't be able to enact the white supremacist positions they supported him for. | ||
| There was a real sense that the real progress towards an awful end that they wanted could be achieved. | ||
| But the biggest thing that stood in the way was the people who were inside wouldn't go along with it. | ||
| Chuck Johnson, Mike Cernovich, Jack Posobiec, and Jerome Corsi all led a charge to out the people who could possibly slow down the march towards their dystopia, targeting unnamed collaborators and wolves in sheep's clothing within the administration. | ||
| You remember this from Alex Jones' show back then. | ||
| There was so much talk about internal palace intrigue. | ||
| Every single fucking show was about it. | ||
| You know, the thing that I love the most about this story is how little reminds me of Stalin's rise to power. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That's my favorite part, is how very, very unsimilar it is to that exact correlation, you know. | ||
| The goal was threefold. | ||
| By engaging in this rhetoric, this trying to out people who are wolves in sheep's clothing within the inner machinations, you build up a preemptive excuse for why Trump isn't getting anything done. | ||
| You maintain the climate of fear you need in your audience that should be diminished by their guy being in power, and you make an example of people in government as a sort of tacit warning of how anyone who'd be seen as deviating from the program will be treated. | ||
| The chief way that these propagandists rationalized their attacks on the government staff was to accuse them of being leakers. | ||
| No one can deny that there were tons of leaks going on, so it was the easiest blanket accusation to Right. | ||
| It's to create a perpetual feeling of a witch hunt where purges of government employees who fail vague purity tests are seen as, you know, the purging of them is seen as something you should support. | ||
| Right. | ||
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This is... | |
| An actual witch hunt. | ||
| If this were in the 1600s, they would actually be burning these people. | ||
| Well, and it's interesting that it's being carried out by the supporters of the administration. | ||
| They're sort of crowdsourcing this purge, or at least the motivation or the rationalization for the purge, as opposed to it being directly from the seat of power. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Which is interesting. | ||
| Well, I mean, it's kind of a situation, I think, where all of these guys, not all of the guys in power, but for so long the people in power on the right have been stoking these horrible, horrible impulses in order to win elections, knowing full well that if they were to actually implement any of this shit, it would either be illegal or people would start getting murdered. | ||
| So then the people that they've been stoking and... | ||
| Abusing and exploiting this entire time. | ||
| Finally, we're like, what if we just killed everybody who disagreed with us? | ||
| Or... | ||
| We're not going to be controlled anymore by this kind of exploitative relationship. | ||
| And then they, you know, do this. | ||
| Yeah, or if not kill, then at least root out or... | ||
| Yeah, metaphorically. | ||
| ...send to a re-education camp or something. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| And this is what they kept doing. | ||
| It just kept happening in those early days, these threats of purges of suspected non-conformists to the program. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It kept happening. | ||
| We heard this over and over again. | ||
| The Priebus loyalists get rooted out, which of course eventually became the Bannon loyalists or the Kushner loyalists. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It all just takes different shapes, and you can morph it however you want in order to maintain that climate of fear and paranoia of... | ||
| to excuse... | ||
| You know, impotence of action. | ||
| Yeah, that first year or two, I think there were 300 separate profiles of the adult in the room, and each time it was a completely different person. | ||
| And you're like, at a certain point, guys, you've got to realize there are no more adults. | ||
| And that's kind of the way that a lot of the other media, the more older media, did a disservice and sort of helped the right-wing media. | ||
| That was their version of it. | ||
| So it's also probably worth noting that this past Thursday, Reuters was reporting that after the most recent summit between Kim Jong-un and Donald Trump didn't go so great, Un carried out a purge of government officials who were in charge of negotiations for it. | ||
| Kim Hyuk-chol, the direct counterpart to Mike Pompeo in the negotiations, was allegedly executed along with four foreign ministry officials who stood accused of spying for the United States. | ||
| When the North Korean state elaborated, this alleged spying boiled down to, quote, poorly grasping humanism. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| Not good. | ||
| Being sent to Siberia and being executed can often have very similar effects. | ||
| End results. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So what people like Chuck Johnson, Cernovich, Posobiec, and Alex Jones are doing, like we kind of referenced already, is basically crowdsourcing a dictatorship. | ||
| They're bringing authoritarianism into the gig economy. | ||
| True democracy, Dan. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Classical liberalism. | ||
| We all fuck ourselves over. | ||
| My point is that it's very hard to... | ||
| When you have, like, stark... | ||
| Reminders of this like what just happened in North Korea. | ||
| It's really hard to look at that sort of behavior that was going on and think that like... | ||
| Those dudes who were doing this witch-hunting behavior about officials who weren't on board with them and going around yelling, lock her up at everybody, they fucking knew what they were doing. | ||
| It's almost inconceivable that they didn't realize, like, oh, what's the next phase of this? | ||
| Right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, that's ridiculous. | ||
| That's the thing. | ||
| The idea that so many people have of, like, oh, these right-wing douchebags won't go that far. | ||
| And it's like... | ||
| Look at what happened in North Korea. | ||
| They're going to go as far as they can get away with. | ||
| They're going to go as far as they can feel comfortable getting away with. | ||
| I'm not saying that they're in North Korea, but whatever you think their limit is, is probably further. | ||
| I think that's true of a lot of human impulses left unchecked. | ||
| That's a fair point. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, in this next clip, Alex has a real serious problem on his hands. | ||
| And that is that the EU Parliament just had an election. | ||
| Now, this is a problem because Alex constantly says that the EU Parliament is unelected. | ||
| However, because his buddies in the Brexit party won a bunch of seats... | ||
| He can't pretend they're unelected anymore. | ||
| Yeah, that's a problem for him. | ||
| So listen to this cognitive dissonance on display where Alex, in 10 seconds, says both that they're unelected and that his buddies are winning elections. | ||
| That's not fair. | ||
| That's not fair. | ||
| This is so deeply abusive. | ||
| People didn't know the EU was unelected five years ago. | ||
| Now everybody knows and wants to get rid of it. | ||
| And they're losing every damn election. | ||
| And there's ceremonial parliament. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So his attempt there at the end is, you know, the ceremonial parliament, his attempt to be like, uh-oh, I just contradicted myself. | ||
| That hurt me. | ||
| That hurt me very much physically. | ||
| It's a whiplash. | ||
| Emotionally. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I'm having trouble breathing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Nigel Farage doing this shit and running for EU Parliament with the Brexit parties really introduced just a baseline problem for Alex. | ||
| Because for years, one of the constant arguments he's made was that it's governed by an unelected group of bureaucrats in the Parliament. | ||
| It's a constant drumbeat on his show. | ||
| The unelected EU Parliament is repeated over and over again as a compound noun. | ||
| Unelected has become an epithet to the EU Parliament in the same way that Gentle was to Patroclus in the Iliad. | ||
| That's all good and well, except when there's an EU parliamentary election being held, which there was this year. | ||
| Alex says in this clip that five years ago people didn't know that the EU parliament is unelected, which is interesting because EU parliamentary elections happen every five years. | ||
| So he's specifically saying that the last time they had an EU parliamentary election, people didn't know there weren't elections for EU parliament. | ||
| See how this is pretty inconsistent internally? | ||
| This is really, really frustrating me. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The EU parliament did begin as an unelected body. | ||
| That is definitely true. | ||
| Initially, the MEPs, or members of European Parliament, were appointed by each country's elected parliament. | ||
| So their national parliament would elect or choose the people who would go to be the MEP. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Superdelegates. | ||
| Yeah, in a sense, there was still a democratic root to it, but Alex's argument is a little closer to legit in that setting. | ||
| It's like saying that the Secretary of State is unelected. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Technically, that's true, but they're appointed by a directly elected president and have to be confirmed by directly elected members of Congress. | ||
| In terms of the EU Parliament, however, Alex's claims really don't make sense anymore, because in 1979, they started holding elections for their own membership every five years. | ||
| With only a few rules in place about proportional representation that are universally required, member states are free to run their elections to name their parliamentary representatives however they choose, which is a great celebration of national sovereignty, which Alex doesn't want to talk about. | ||
| This is very annoying. | ||
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It is. | |
| This is all very annoying. | ||
| This information annoys me. | ||
| I am vexed. | ||
| I am vexed by the fact that he is holding both of these conflicting points of view at the same time. | ||
| Well, it's like him saying that the fucking three people voted for the Federal Reserve. | ||
| Yeah, but that one's true. | ||
| Oh, sure. | ||
| All Alex can really be talking about is the position of the president of the European Commission, which you could argue is an unelected position. | ||
| The various political parties field their candidates to hold the position, and a vote of the parliament determines who will be the president of the commission. | ||
| But that post isn't the same as being the president of Europe. | ||
| The position is described as being, quote, the first among equals in the European Commission. | ||
| Members of the Commission are selected by elected governments of member states, then work together to advance their country's interests in the context of a collaborative body that balances the larger needs of the continent with those of each state. | ||
| These examples of unelected folks within the hierarchy of the EU government are easy to point to as examples of undemocratic government run amok, but if you look at them closely, you find that each of these appointed positions are filled directly by people who were elected by the people, and they could be ousted from their positions by electing different people. | ||
| If Alex wants to be philosophically consistent, attacking these positions for being indirectly elected requires him to have a problem with every appointed position in our government. | ||
| Every cabinet secretary should have to be directly elected. | ||
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What Does he even have a job? | |
| The list goes on and on and on of officials who are just unelected or indirectly elected. | ||
| In a purely technical sense, you could say that this European Commission is unelected. | ||
| But that's not what Alex says. | ||
| He says that the EU Parliament is unelected, which categorically is not true. | ||
| For years, he's been able to just be free to lie about the EU Parliament because he knows that none of his listeners are going to look into it. | ||
| But then, like three months ago, Nigel Farage started the Brexit Party, and it became clear that the story of this year's EU election was going to be favorable to Alex's nationalists-are-taking-over-the-world narrative. | ||
| Immediately, he had a huge problem. | ||
| How do you maintain your bullshit about the EU Parliament being unelected while simultaneously bragging about your Eurosceptic and Fascist friends winning EU Parliamentary elections? | ||
| Well, the first thing you do is you put your finger up to your head and you say, well, oh, what tangled webs we weave when first we practice to deceive, and then you think more. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| First, you have to, by law, you have to think that in this... | ||
| Particular scenario. | ||
| You have to put on a little set piece in the studio. | ||
| You gotta do the whole thing, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I think you just tell your audience that 2 plus 2 is 5 and hope it works out. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's what he's doing. | ||
| This is absurd. | ||
| Pretty much. | ||
| That's disgusting. | ||
| Well, I mean, it's one in a long line, I think, of Alex being screwed over by getting what he wants. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, like, he wants all his, like, weirdo friends to win EU Parliament positions so they could destroy the EU, I guess. | ||
| But in order for that to happen, the step has to be taken that they be elected to this Parliament. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And one of his chief complaints about it is that it's unelected. | ||
| So them succeeding in the goal he's working towards... | ||
| Undercuts and destroys one of his big reasons for wanting it gone. | ||
| Yeah, but isn't that what Brexit is to the National Health Service? | ||
| Like, so many people who voted with Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage's whole, like, we're spending all this money when it could be going to the NHS, and they voted specifically for that type of circumstance to go down. | ||
| And of course, if Brexit actually follows through with the way that it's supposed to go, especially if it's a no deal, the National Health Service is going to be privatized by American insurers anyways. | ||
| So they're all doing something that is actively undercutting whatever it is that they would like the result to be. | ||
| It seems like a real strong current among these quote-unquote international nationalists. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| It seems like... | ||
| Do they not know the only people who are benefiting are billionaires? | ||
| Do they not know it? | ||
| That's what you don't want to say. | ||
| That's the part they don't want to talk about. | ||
| It's insane. | ||
| So, in this next clip, Alex has a list of complaints about his enemies. | ||
| And he's got a head of steam about the people that he perceives as being against America. | ||
| And one of the things that I find really interesting about this is he's furious on this episode. | ||
| He's just like, these damn enemies! | ||
| And then he gives this list about his enemies and why they are his enemies. | ||
| They want health care for the poor! | ||
| No. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I don't think he wants that debate. | ||
| I don't think he wants that conversation. | ||
| What he does want is to list off things that aren't true. | ||
| I'm going to explain each of these and why they're not true. | ||
| But what's interesting to me is when he's in a tizzy and he's expressing why he doesn't like the other side that he perceives as his enemies, every single thing he says is not true. | ||
| These people are so pissed! | ||
| That we're trying to get our country back from them. | ||
| They're the globalists. | ||
| They're the ones that say they hate America. | ||
| They're the ones that say they can't stand this country. | ||
| They're the ones that say we were never great, we'll never be great. | ||
| They're the ones saying the world's ending in 12 years. | ||
| They're the ones that say cauliflower is racist. | ||
| Holy Toledo. | ||
| They project it onto everything. | ||
| So, that clip is a fantastic case study in terms of why it's almost inconceivable to imagine that Alex Jones doesn't know what he's doing. | ||
| And I'm pretty certain he knows that he's intentionally misleading his audience. | ||
| It's important to remember for the purposes of what's to come that he is a 45-year-old human who claims that he's very smart and can read. | ||
| He presents himself as a competent critic of the media and politics, so the expectation is that he be able to do that on a nominal level. | ||
| However, literally everything in that clip, all of the reasons that his enemies are his enemies, are examples of things that aren't real. | ||
| Let's look at them one by one. | ||
| The rant begins with stuff that's too vague to mean anything. | ||
| Alex thinks his enemies are just pissed because his patriot buddies are reclaiming the country from them and that they hate America. | ||
| There's literally nothing to even respond to. | ||
| That's just him talking shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So we can leave that aside. | ||
| That's almost a prologue. | ||
| That's almost a perfunctory, like he's... | ||
| He's getting amped up. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| That's his little warm-up. | ||
| He's doing a couple of jumping jacks, and now we're going to get into the bullshit. | ||
| It's the word you have to get into an impression. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Does anybody like impressions? | ||
| Then he says his enemies say, quote, America has never been great and it never will be great. | ||
| This is an intentional mischaracterization of comments made by New York Governor Andrew Cuomo during the lead up to the 2018 midterms. | ||
| Cuomo is being critical of Trump's catchphrase, make America great again, by expressing a very defensible position that for many people, the American government is not. | ||
| The part of the quote that Alex is specifically using is just, quote, We're not going to make America great again. | ||
| It was never that great. | ||
| But that quote relies on what Cuomo said immediately after that in order to give his point context to have it make sense. | ||
| He went on to say, quote, We have not reached greatness. | ||
| We will reach greatness when every American is fully engaged. | ||
| We will reach greatness when discrimination and stereotyping of women, 51% of our population, is gone, and every woman's full potential is realized and unleashed, and every woman is making her full contribution. | ||
| Naturally, it would have been nice if he would have expanded his point to include other groups, but he was giving a speech specifically at a New York women's rights event. | ||
| So it kind of makes sense why the commentary skewed in that direction. | ||
| What Cuomo is saying is not in any way an insult to America. | ||
| It's a recognition that our ideals are great, but we've historically and are currently failing to live up to them. | ||
| What he was doing when he said, quote, we are not going to make America great again, was not saying fuck America. | ||
| It was expressing a clear difference between Trump's catchphrase and Cuomo's vision of what our greatness should be and what we should strive for. | ||
| This is a willing misinterpretation that Alex is carrying out to create a false version of his enemies and paint them as thinking America has always sucked. | ||
| It's always going to suck. | ||
| Yeah, but that one's the... | ||
| That one is the far right's reaction to any kind of accurate history. | ||
| If you are blunt with the far right about American history, they will do anything and everything to screech at you because they can't handle it. | ||
| It makes them feel bad. | ||
| Alex, one of the principal reasons he's so afraid of being called a racist is because he just doesn't want to feel bad, Dan. | ||
| It does come down to that a lot. | ||
| Alex does the same thing with anybody who's like, the founding fathers were terrorists. | ||
| They were. | ||
| They were. | ||
| Based on? | ||
| Committed like an insurrection, of course. | ||
| You know who you root for in Star Wars? | ||
| The rebels. | ||
| The terrorists. | ||
| So yeah, he doesn't like history too much. | ||
| So now the world ending in 12 years thing is a reference to an interview that Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez did, where she said that we have 12 years to cut emissions by 50%. | ||
| Alex is turning this into some kind of doomsday prophecy that she was peddling, which is kind of hilarious considering what he did on Y2K. | ||
| The thing is that the right wing has attacked AOC pretty harshly for this. | ||
| And everything. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But all she was doing was citing a report from the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change that said exactly that. | ||
| They predicted that there was probably 12 years left to keep global temperatures from rising to a maximum of 1.5 degrees Celsius. | ||
| Yeah, I was amazed. | ||
| I assumed that everybody would know that she was quoting something, but now that I think about it, of course, people on the right had no idea what that report said. | ||
| Or they just... | ||
| And it wasn't publicized. | ||
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Or they just thought, fuck it. | |
| Or they don't believe it. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| It's all about carbon credits. | ||
| Yeah, they don't understand it, even the slightest. | ||
| In that interview, she did say, quote, the world is going to end in 12 years if we don't address climate change. | ||
| However, an important point is what she'd said just before that. | ||
| The larger context of that quote is that she's saying that the younger generations, millennials and Gen Z, are looking at the older generations and saying that we have mere years left to address climate change before it destroys the world. | ||
| And the older generation's response is, how are we going to pay for it? | ||
| She's since said that the world-ending part of the quote was dry humor, and there's a little bit of that that's clearly apparent, but I also think that you could just say that she was clearly expressing what a lot of people are saying. | ||
| She isn't in that interview making a specific prophecy that we have 12 years left, then it's all over. | ||
| She's referencing a scientific study and articulating the fears and concerns of a big cross-section of the public. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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No one is saying that the world will end in 12 years if we don't do anything. | |
| They're saying that it's likely that's the amount of time we have before things will be completely out of our hands and no amount of emissions cutting will stop the domino effects of climate change. | ||
| Alex is misrepresenting this intentionally to create the image that his enemies are lunatics trying to scare you with doomsday prophecies in order to get you to pay carbon credit. | ||
| I really think that there should be a bias adjustment. | ||
| For these kinds of studies. | ||
| You know, like how when they do polls, Rasmussen has a right word bias, all that stuff. | ||
| All of these studies have an optimistic bias. | ||
| That we should really account for. | ||
| Because every time they update it and everyone that's revised, it's like, hey, if we don't do this by 2200, and it's like, well, if we don't do it by... | ||
| It's going to wind up being the next report is like we have six years left. | ||
| We have a week. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| You'd look at that as like an optimism bias. | ||
| Alex would say that that's evidence they're just making shit up. | ||
| They're like, oh, you're not scared yet? | ||
| We're going to make it shorter. | ||
| I can see that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So as for the cauliflower thing, this is just a complete right-wing smear. | ||
| This relates to a recent live stream that AOC was doing where she visited a community garden and discussed issues about what keeps some minority communities from embracing environmental efforts like community gardening. | ||
| One of the things she pointed out was the difficulty of growing crops that are traditionally used in their cuisine in community garden spaces. | ||
| She singles out yucca as being a plant that is more difficult to grow in urban environments as opposed to cauliflower, which she just picked out as an example of a vegetable. | ||
| She wasn't even saying anything specifically about cauliflower. | ||
| In fact, she says, quote, cauliflower or something. | ||
| It was a random example. | ||
| Of course, she did happen to pick the white example, and so they go, absolute bug fuck, right? | ||
| Well, I think so. | ||
| And she said that it's an example of colonial environmentalism. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Didn't say that cauliflower was racist or anything like that. | ||
| And, I mean, you could... | ||
| You could make an argument that cauliflower has been used colonially. | ||
| The English introduced it to India in 1822. | ||
| It wasn't native there. | ||
| Who cares? | ||
| AOC chose cauliflower as an example of a crop that these communities may be less involved with culturally, but it's what can be grown easily in urban settings. | ||
| So it's popular in the big city community gardens, where space is limited. | ||
| I'm not entirely sure that's fully accurate of cauliflower, but that is absolutely what she was saying and chose cauliflower as an example. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Entirely possibly just because she had seen it at a community garden that she had visited. | ||
| That is such one of those blind spots that I would never have thought of because it never even comes into my life entirely. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| Of course, why would somebody want to plant... | ||
| Fucking bullshit in the community garden when it's not anywhere associated with their home cooking. | ||
| Like, why would you just plant some random-ass bullshit? | ||
| And if it's super difficult and the space is limited, then it leads to non-engagement, non-involvement. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| So this, according to AOC, is an example of, quote, taking a colonial approach to environmentalism. | ||
| Well, of course, the knee-jerk response to this on the right is to say that she's stupid and that she's calling cauliflower racist. | ||
| But in reality, what she's talking about is a pretty important and real issue. | ||
| As a paper published in 2009 by the Sustainability Research Institute points out, quote, around the world, colonialism became synonymous with the alienation of people from their land and resources. | ||
| Colonized people became alienated from their resources, largely because the colonizing powers did not think they could be trusted to steward over the land themselves. | ||
| This is basically what she's talking about. | ||
| Environmental projects should make sense in a cultural context, because if they don't, it's an expression of colonialism being portrayed as environmentalism. | ||
| You can disagree with her point if you want, but if you do, then you've got to wrestle with a ton of scholarship on the intersection. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Especially when we're getting very similar, like... | ||
| Here is what we should do to stop all of this. | ||
| And that can sometimes boil down to if everybody lived like this, if everybody lived like us, which for some people is culturally absolutely colonialist, if everybody just wiped out what makes them individual and unique, then there you go. | ||
| Yeah, and Alex could argue this if he wanted to rebut the points of environmental colonialism. | ||
| But it's much easier just to say that AOC thinks cauliflower is racist! | ||
| It is. | ||
| Because the goal isn't to tell the news or to do sincere analysis. | ||
| The goal is to portray your enemy as so eager to call things racist that even vegetables aren't safe. | ||
| And of course the goal of that for Alex is to defend himself from very accurate accusations that he's a huge racist. | ||
| So there you go. | ||
| Three things that Alex has used to characterize his enemies and why he fights so hard. | ||
| And guess what? | ||
| They're all bullshit. | ||
| He has his own show. | ||
| He runs everything here. | ||
| He has unlimited time on air. | ||
| And this is what he brings to the table to explain our enemies. | ||
| It's just bullshit. | ||
| He's got nothing. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So, boy. | ||
| So these aren't true. | ||
| They're not. | ||
| All right. | ||
| And so if they're not true and he knows they're not true, then they can't be the reasons that he hates his enemies. | ||
| Boy, it does imply there's got to be another reason. | ||
| That suggests that there are ulterior reasons, perhaps. | ||
| Ones that he would rather not put out there and instead obfuscate using these lies and bullshit. | ||
| Wonder what those are. | ||
| Aha! | ||
| Anyway, in this next clip, Alex is really pissed off still about Cauliflower being called racist, and he makes a little slip, I think. | ||
| But I just gotta say, AOC and the Cauliflower comment. | ||
| My favorite Judy Blume novel. | ||
| I've had some listeners say, why are you covering, we know she's an idiot. | ||
| Why'd the left come out and say Milk was racist because it was white last year? | ||
| White! | ||
| They territorialize everything by saying everything's racist, and then they're the high priest over fighting racism, so that gives them jurisdiction over you. | ||
| Oh, I get it. | ||
| The left didn't say that milk was racist. | ||
| That was an attempt by people on 4chan and trolls on the internet to create the appearance that the left thought milk was racist so they could mock their hypersensitivity. | ||
| It appears that they managed to trick the right person, in this case. | ||
| It began with legitimate Nazis making videos or they made a big deal out of drinking milk. | ||
| Then Richard Spencer in Baked Alaska added milk emojis to their Twitter names and helped push the hashtag MilkTwitter. | ||
| They were doing the same thing that they've done a bunch of times. | ||
| We saw it recently with a botched attempt to pretend that the actual hashtag, the symbol, the hashtag, was a white supremacist symbol. | ||
| Trolls sent journalists tips trying to get them to cover the story, but none took the bait except for McHale Thalen of the Daily Dot. | ||
| Interestingly, McHale Thalen was a writer for InfoWars for years, but is now rebranded as a tech writer at Daily Dot. | ||
| Somehow is getting away with it. | ||
| You can't do that! | ||
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What? | |
| It's crazy. | ||
| He's just obscure enough of an Infowars employee that you could still do this. | ||
| You kind of got him. | ||
| But he's not obscure enough that I don't fucking know who he is. | ||
| So, that's a problem. | ||
| And that's why someone like me is important to exist in the world, I guess. | ||
| Somebody's sending out emails. | ||
| I think he's... | ||
| Probably not too worried about me. | ||
| But this is a part of a larger strategy where neo-Nazis and white nationalists attempt to create innocuous symbols that they then attach to their communities in ways that can be easily passed off as a joke if they're ever called on it. | ||
| We saw this with the okay hand gesture. | ||
| It was simultaneously a legitimate symbol being used by these extremist communities to signal to each other and as a way that they could mock their detractors. | ||
| Are you serious? | ||
| It's just an okay sign. | ||
| They could respond to any criticism. | ||
| And then the game. | ||
| Ultimately, it doesn't matter if the okay sign is a gesture of hate, because by its usage, it became one. | ||
| There's a synergy going on. | ||
| And the same is true of the accusation that the left thinks milk is racist. | ||
| It was a manufactured campaign to make the left and accusations of racism look baseless, because creating appearance that racism accusations are baseless really just helps out people who are constantly being accused of being racist. | ||
| That's the motivation behind it. | ||
| Like, not to say qui bono, but for fuck's sakes, seriously, there's only one group of people who benefit from this! | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| There's zero groups but one! | ||
| Anyone still peddling this narrative in 2019 is either woefully stupid and incompetent at knowing the news, or they're actively trying to signal to their base of neo-Nazis and white nationalists that they're in on the joke. | ||
| Either way, it doesn't look good that Alex is still on this bullshit. | ||
| And unfortunately, those white supremacists who were actually onto something with their stunt campaign, as our boy Jared Holt covered in a piece that he wrote for the Huffington Post. | ||
| The attempts to make milk a racist meme were supposed to be a prank, but there's actually a racist history attached to milk that they accidentally stumbled onto. | ||
| Fine. | ||
| His article discusses a book called Nature's Perfect Food, How Milk Became America's Drink, which does seem to argue that at very least the early advertising campaigns for the National Dairy Council were explicitly racist. | ||
| In the early 1900s, the National Dairy Council marketed milk by saying things like, quote, people who have an appreciation for art, literature, and music, who are progressive in science and every activity of human intellect, are the people who have used liberal amounts of milk in its products. | ||
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The book goes on to say, quote, "By declaring milk perfect, white northern Europeans announced their Ugh. | |
| Ugh. | ||
| In the 1930s, an agricultural history of New York said, quote, So... | ||
| Aryans seem to have been the heaviest drinkers of milk and the greatest users of butter and cheese, a fact that may in part account for the quick and high development of this division of human beings. | ||
| So, Luke... | ||
| Louis Pasteur is the patron saint of the white nationalist movement, I believe. | ||
| Were it not for he. | ||
| He's on the Rushmore. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The reason this could be called racist is because the marketing was specifically designed around the idea that there was an association between drinking milk and being better people. | ||
| A paper by Andrea Freeman of the University of Hawaii School of Law points out that, quote, although statistics vary, 79% of African-American adults, 45% of African-American children, 74% of Mexicans from rural communities, 98% of Southeast Asians, and 90% of Asian-Americans cannot digest lactose. | ||
| A large number of non-white communities are lactose intolerant, so when you market something as being associated with being naturally better people and it's something that only white people can consistently drink, what you're doing is kind of racist. | ||
| It's in there. | ||
| That is a couple of steps more than you're used to seeing with your racism. | ||
| You've got to know that non-white communities are lactose intolerant. | ||
| You've got to have a wide breadth of information in order to really see milk for how racist it is. | ||
| And now that I do, goddammit. | ||
| Milk's still not racist, and liking milk isn't racist, but that doesn't mean you can't look at the history of it and be like, Wow, that's fucked up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And if you want to go even further with it, the very term lactose intolerant is even kind of messed up as a way to describe people who can't digest lactose. | ||
| Using that framing makes it seem like being intolerant to lactose is the exception as opposed to being the norm, when in reality, quote, a significant percentage of individuals from all communities, with the exception of Scandinavian and Northern European whites, did not retain the enzyme lactase through adulthood. | ||
| Northern Europeans and Scandinavians developed this enzyme as a response to living in climates hostile to creating sustainable food sources, which compelled them to resort to drinking their herd's milk. | ||
| So it's something that is specific to communities, the abundance of lactase enzyme retention. | ||
| So calling it lactose intolerance is to somehow... | ||
| Make it appear that, like, oh, this is a deficiency you have, as opposed to a change that Scandinavians and Northern European whites had. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| A mutation. | ||
| So, yeah, so that's almost like, you guys lived in the dumbest fucking place to live, and then now you're making us feel bad for it. | ||
| Fuck you guys! | ||
| None of it's bad, and none of it's wrong, but, you know, you take those little things, like the lactose intolerance framing is even somehow making it appear negative. | ||
| This is vexing, Dan! | ||
| It's vexing. | ||
| This is a very vexing episode. | ||
| Very vexing. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| All this is to say that this shit that Alex is on is really fucking stupid. | ||
| There is a reality to the racist history in the milk and dairy industry, but that isn't what he's responding to. | ||
| He's being tricked by or participating in a fake outrage campaign organized by Nazis and white nationalists, intending to make any criticism of racism look suspicious. | ||
| The goal here was to provide a response. | ||
| The next time you or one of your racist buddies gets called a racist for being racist, you can pull out the, oh yeah, I'm racist, like milk is racist. | ||
| It's an attempt at building a counter-narrative that 100% only exists to defend and deflect accurate criticisms of the racist. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So it shouldn't be all that surprising that he's on this tip. | ||
| So we got these foods. | ||
| We got cauliflower. | ||
| We got milk that Alex is very mad about. | ||
| I just gotta say, he is fucking triggered by this conversation about foods being racist or something. | ||
| Because he starts yelling about corn and people thinking corn is racist. | ||
| He's like, it comes from South America! | ||
| Central America and maize! | ||
| Like, alright, whatever. | ||
| So anyway, he's real mad. | ||
| He's real mad at corn. | ||
| Even if corn came from Europe, who cares? | ||
| It's easy to grow, it's nutritious. | ||
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How the hell do you say it's racist? | |
| It's a plant! | ||
| And I know listeners are like, okay, but move on. | ||
| No! | ||
| Everything hinges on cauliflower and corn being racist. | ||
| These people are out of control! | ||
| He's real mad. | ||
| Everything hinges on that? | ||
| Well, the problem with that presentation and the way he's yelling is I can't tell if he's saying that mockingly or if he really means that everything hinges on fighting back against this accusation that Cauliflower is racist. | ||
| Because either could be something I could see him saying. | ||
| I could not just see that. | ||
| I could see it being almost like a wave function through each word as he's saying it, what he's intending changes. | ||
| As he's going through, it all, and I mean that it all hinges on this, hinges, nah, this is actually a joke, on, I do mean this, this, nah, this is actually a joke. | ||
| We are, in doing this podcast, we are embodying the observer paradox. | ||
| If Alex just yells, it's simultaneously a joke and serious at the same time. | ||
| But once discussed, it no longer exists. | ||
| You know, that is such... | ||
| That thing that he said of, like, even if it did come from Europe, who cares? | ||
| That is such that... | ||
| Well, sure. | ||
| You should care. | ||
| It's immensely important where something comes from because it is coming from a different fucking environment. | ||
| You have to be aware of each ecosystem that you're coming into, and the colonialist is just like, I like corn, let's take it to America. | ||
| Yay! | ||
| That concept is kind of silly. | ||
| Well, yeah. | ||
| I think it might be starlings. | ||
| I can't remember for sure which bird it is, but there was a guy who was so obsessed with Shakespeare that he believed that every bird mentioned in Shakespeare should be on all the continents. | ||
| So he brought starlings here, and it destroyed every competitor and became a monstrous, nightmarish blight. | ||
| Did Shakespeare ever bring up cassowaries? | ||
| I do not believe he did. | ||
| Thank God. | ||
| I do not believe he did. | ||
| We don't need more of them around. | ||
| They will murder you. | ||
| They are murder birds. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So in this next clip, Alex complains about the Daily Beast writing an article about him, and then he complains about people who are suing him. | ||
| Well, the way to shut Jones up is just do this and that. | ||
| It's all about shutting me up and how to shut me down. | ||
| And then they run the lie again, in quotes, that he's playing a character. | ||
| And then there's no proof, no evidence, no link to it. | ||
| It's him saying he almost admitted in his deposition he's playing a character. | ||
| Your lawyer said it. | ||
| And they put playing character in quotes. | ||
| And again... | ||
| Do you understand the level of organized deceit by these people? | ||
| Every article is the same. | ||
| It's all formulaically written. | ||
| It's all put out in the talking points. | ||
| And these people put it out to destroy the First Amendment and destroy this country and your birthright. | ||
| These are clear and present dangerous, organized, lying, stinking frauds. | ||
| Ladies and gentlemen, please don't forget, the Memorial Day special is going to be gone this weekend. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Sure it will. | ||
| The Easter special will be back on, though. | ||
| Yeah, undoubtedly next week. | ||
| I think it's so convenient that all of the people who are critiquing Alex and suing him for the things that he's defamed them about also just happen to be wanting to destroy this country and all of his listeners' families. | ||
| It is strange. | ||
| It seems... | ||
| He's so lucky that the people who are personally going to jeopardize his money are also enemies of the Republic. | ||
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It's really nice. | |
| It really makes it so your content on the show can really work to defend yourself from... | ||
| Lawsuits. | ||
| Okay, so... | ||
| You can sort of merge it. | ||
| What if we put it in a different way? | ||
| Say you didn't like the way you were getting covered by the press. | ||
| And so, I mean, conveniently, it also happened that they were enemies of the Republic. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's very convenient. | ||
| So obviously, the two are the same. | ||
| You don't like getting criticized. | ||
| They're the enemy of the Republic. | ||
| Everybody wins. | ||
| You know what it achieves? | ||
| It achieves getting his audience to hate anyone who criticizes him. | ||
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Yep. | |
| That's number one. | ||
| And then number two, it makes it so much of the content of his show can sort of low-key be about him being sued without him having to say things that will end up... | ||
| Being another lawsuit. | ||
| If he attaches the idea of all of these globalists and all of these enemies of America, they're the ones who are coming after him, it makes it very easy for his audience to build up that hatred of the people who are coming after him through his long rambling diatribes about the globalists. | ||
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| Translative property. | ||
| It's very sneaky. | ||
| Speaking of sneaky, Alex has his lawyer back on the show. | ||
| Oh boy. | ||
| He has also Jim Hoft from Gateway Pundit on, but it's kind of boring, and so we're not going to listen to any of that. | ||
| But Robert Barnes. | ||
| Oh, good work, Barnes. | ||
| He's back on the show, and he is boring also. | ||
| But he does say this that should scare you to hear a lawyer say. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| Because this seems to be a bit of a defense of tyranny in many ways. | ||
| Obstructing a coup is not obstruction of justice. | ||
| It is justice. | ||
| And that's what President Trump did. | ||
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So... | |
| So... | ||
| That's a bit of a slippery slope to make that argument. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| That's troublesome. | ||
| I mean, on its face, it does seem like that makes a certain kind of sense. | ||
| In this context, it means that anybody who... | ||
| for his actions is not doing anything. | ||
| They're in a coup. | ||
| Maybe something that's told them to do in the Constitution. | ||
| Instead, it's a coup. | ||
| So no crime can be committed in defense of this nation. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Maybe there should be a purge! | ||
| Maybe there should be a purge! | ||
| For 24 hours, everybody who has indicted Trump can... | ||
| All of these arguments are in service of creating the very circumstances and environment where power can be abused that Alex has pretended to be against for his whole fucking career. | ||
| This is ridiculous. | ||
| So, anyways, good work, Barnes. | ||
| So, not too long ago, maybe like a month or two, maybe a little bit longer than that, we heard Alex talk about how he can't sleep except sitting up with, like... | ||
| Intense machinery because he has terrible sleep apnea and his neck is super thick. | ||
| 45% oxygen or whatever. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So he talks more about his sleep in this next clip. | ||
| And then, by the way, guys, we've resisted spoilers about Game of Thrones, but now Alex is going to spoil Game of Thrones. | ||
| He's going to do even that? | ||
| White supremacists ruin everything. | ||
| I warn you ahead of time, but it's not like we could ignore this because he has some analysis of it. | ||
| I think he might have missed the point. | ||
| Danny's the winner! | ||
| I am completely on edge. | ||
| I can't even sleep. | ||
| I'm somebody that usually sleeps like a dead person. | ||
| Everybody, they've gotten the left with this propaganda so wound up, so hateful, so wanting war. | ||
| I've got stacks of articles where they're writing major news articles about, I love the last Game of Thrones where the Queen used the dragon to kill a city of 100,000 people. | ||
| We need to kill Republicans like that. | ||
| I mean, so what you're feeling is... | ||
| They want to take over. | ||
| They want to kill you. | ||
| They want to kill babies after they're born. | ||
| There is a real energy of these people, and they are crazy enough to make a run at Trump, which, if they were successful, will cause a civil war. | ||
| So any way you slice this, all I'm saying is, the sixth sense doesn't just stop at feeling somebody staring at you from behind you, turning around, sure as hell, they're looking at you. | ||
| It doesn't just stop with a mountain lion. | ||
| You feel, and then you turn, and there it is. | ||
| It's bigger than that. | ||
| And we've talked about this privately. | ||
| It's not mumbo-jumbo. | ||
| It's like a wireless internet in the brain. | ||
| Our brains are electrochemical. | ||
| We now know they do broadcast. | ||
| We're not just seeing with the so-called five senses. | ||
| And I think we all inherently, you're an in-touch guy. | ||
| We're not getting to mumbo-jumbo here, but we've talked about this privately. | ||
| And you don't put a name to it either. | ||
| It's just that I think everybody's mojo knows we're at a crossroads. | ||
| No question. | ||
| There's a certain mindset. | ||
| When you look at a show like Game of Thrones, one of the most popular shows on television, one of the most popular shows in the history of cable television, the two writers really believe that their ending their last couple of episodes were going to be very popular. | ||
| In fact, they're the most unpopular ending of a series and basically see... | ||
| TV history. | ||
| Definitely cable TV history. | ||
| And how did that happen? | ||
| They presumed that people would find it normal, okay, within the range of acceptable conduct, for someone to go kill a bunch of innocent women and children just because they were mad that day. | ||
| Wait, so is his contention that the writers, the D&D, were thinking that everybody would be super stoked that Danny kills everybody? | ||
| Or is he saying that the people hate the episode because they think it was actually a good idea for Danny to have killed anybody and didn't like seeing her retribution at the end? | ||
| That's a great question. | ||
| I'm not entirely sure. | ||
| Barnes isn't really all that clear. | ||
| In his perspective. | ||
| Alex seems to think that it was predictive programming as a way of being like, this is what we should do to conservatives. | ||
| Well, yes, naturally. | ||
| Which is a real snowflake-y level of aggrievement. | ||
| Just self-victim status claiming. | ||
| But, yeah, I don't know. | ||
| I think that's interesting in terms of how people see art. | ||
| But more interesting to me is that both of them are apparently psychics. | ||
| Yeah, that is... | ||
| I don't like how they've talked about that off-air. | ||
| Alex says that twice. | ||
| He really... | ||
| That's not... | ||
| That's a bad lawyer. | ||
| In a minute and a half, Alex literally said, We talked about this off-air. | ||
| It's not mumbo-jumbo. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Twice. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And what are you doing with that bobcat, Alex? | ||
| Oh, he tells a story about when he was younger, his family had a land grant, and so they had a giant 100-acre... | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And he still does. | ||
| He still owns that land. | ||
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Of course. | |
| But when he was a kid, he'd be out there, and he'd be shooting vermin and varmints. | ||
| Yes, yeah. | ||
| And one time he had a sense that something was watching him, and he looked over and he saw a deer. | ||
| He's like, that wasn't what was triggering my spidey sense. | ||
| So he looked over and he saw a mountain lion. | ||
| But he only saw its tail. | ||
| And then he looked closer and he saw the eyes. | ||
| And once the eyes met, the mountain lion ran away. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Well, then based on this story, I think he's right on everything. | ||
| I mean, it's possible. | ||
| Your sixth sense goes beyond that. | ||
| It's within the realm of stories that could have happened. | ||
| Alex's parents did have a lot of land. | ||
| It wouldn't be all that crazy if he was walking around and got real lucky with running into a mountain lion. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| No, no, no. | ||
| It's not an insane story. | ||
| Until you add the I'm a psychic part to it. | ||
| Well, it's that memorability thing. | ||
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Right. | |
| There's hundreds and hundreds of times in your life that you had a sense that something was bad and that nothing was bad. | ||
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Right. | |
| You don't remember any of those times. | ||
| But you do remember when you think something's bad and then you see a mountain lion. | ||
| It sticks out in your mind because it's the fulfillment of that feeling. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Anyway, they're psychics, which is great. | ||
| I thought that was loose talk, but in a little bit we're going to find out that Robert Barnes... | ||
| Does think he's a psychic. | ||
| This is weird. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| How do these people get jobs? | ||
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I don't know. | |
| So in this last clip here from the 30th, Alex, up to this point recently, Alex has been talking a lot about wanting to quit. | ||
| And I'm tracing that as a thread that's worth pointing out. | ||
| And here he gets into it again, talking about how he doesn't really want to do this anymore, never really did, wanted to be a farmer. | ||
| Look, there's a part of me, I've been doing this 25 years. | ||
| That literally wants to stop. | ||
| I'll be completely honest with the listeners and viewers. | ||
| There's a big part of me that I didn't get into this from some narcissistic perspective that I want to be on TV. | ||
| I didn't want to be on TV. | ||
| I want to be a farmer or a rancher. | ||
| And then I thought they wanted to take my gun 25 years ago. | ||
| And I got politically involved. | ||
| But I'm telling you, Infowars is a symbol now that the enemy wants to take down and destroy. | ||
| Like the American flag, whatever. | ||
| I'm not comparing myself to the American flag. | ||
| I'm saying the enemy knows. | ||
| That you got Trump elected. | ||
| They know this broadcast worldwide, and you promoting it has spread nationalist, populist, true capitalist ideas, and they want us gone. | ||
| Because we're the kryptonite. | ||
| You are the kryptonite. | ||
| And so, period. | ||
| We need the listeners that haven't bought products to buy some and see how great they are. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| That was amazing. | ||
| Yeah, pretty sweet. | ||
| That was amazing. | ||
| I want to quit. | ||
| I want to be a farmer. | ||
| Give me money. | ||
| You know what I love? | ||
| Look. | ||
| We've had a lot of fun with ad pivots in the past, but that was one of the smoothest I've heard in a long time. | ||
| It kind of did flow a little bit. | ||
| It wasn't as abrasive as some of the other ones. | ||
| I think that that's kind of probably not accurate. | ||
| I'm sure Alex has always been paranoid about guns, but in other points in his career, I'm positive he would have said that Waco... | ||
| The experience of the church burning at Waco is what got him to be involved and get active in this. | ||
| His campaign to help rebuild the church in Waco. | ||
| That was much more foundational in terms of starting his media career than I learned they were going to take my guns 25 years ago. | ||
| As shorthand, though, that's not terrible. | ||
| He could just say Waco, but then... | ||
| If you say Waco now, people are going to react differently than if you said it. | ||
| Not his audience. | ||
| No, that's fair enough. | ||
| That's fair enough. | ||
| I think it's more just that everything has become so much about guns that in order for it to make sense, then that has to be the root of why you're doing what you do. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And I guess you can repackage Waco as being about gun fear. | ||
| Yeah, it is. | ||
| I mean, that's ostensibly what it was about. | ||
| So, in this next clip, we get into the 31st. | ||
| And, man, I got bad news about the guest lineup on this show. | ||
| I'm your host, Alex Jones. | ||
| We're going to be here for the next four hours. | ||
| We have Robert Barnes, who's a great lawyer and really great talk show host. | ||
| Psychic. | ||
| In studio with us for the second two hours. | ||
| And I will open the phones up on a host of issues. | ||
| He opens the phones like ten minutes until he's done. | ||
| Yeah, I was going to say. | ||
| No way does he want Barnes answering real people's questions. | ||
| Barnes is back again. | ||
| Why is Barnes back? | ||
| He's on all the time now. | ||
| Is it like... | ||
| Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh. | ||
| Maybe he's trading. | ||
| Maybe this is Barter. | ||
| I had this thought. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
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Of course you have that thought. | |
| I obviously can't prove that. | ||
| But that is a thought that crossed my mind, that Alex is paying him with exposure. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Or something like that. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| I don't know. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| He's on a lot. | ||
| In this fucking appearance, Alex is like, you want to co-host with me on Sunday? | ||
| Yeah, okay. | ||
| Either that or he's like... | ||
| He's in town. | ||
| He's gradually just like everybody else in his life is... | ||
| Stepping away from him. | ||
| Man, that's possible too. | ||
| But he knows that his lawyer's not going to step away from him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's paying that guy. | ||
| He's in town visiting, so it makes sense that this would be a time when he'd be on a bunch. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But also, that doesn't happen. | ||
| Like, Rogan will come in town for a weekend. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| He shows he's not on every day. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| It's strange, because he doesn't really have that much... | ||
| Also, Rogan's lawyer isn't showing up on Rogan's podcast either. | ||
| No. | ||
| That's also a weird thing. | ||
| Yeah, I think that the most likely explanation is that Alex has reached the pathetic level, that he's just constantly hanging out on air with someone he literally pays to defend him. | ||
| Yeah, that does sound... | ||
| I think that seems on brand. | ||
| That does sound appropriate, yeah. | ||
| I also think that it's probably a bad sign that Barnes is trying to position himself as kind of this hotshot lawyer to the ascendant right-wing fascist community. | ||
| He was the lawyer for the Covington kids, and he keeps popping up on Alex's show. | ||
| He was a guest on a recent episode of Dave Rubin's show, and he seems to be on Fox News a little bit pretty regularly, or at least he has popped up on Fox News. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Given all this, I decided maybe I should look into him a little bit more. | ||
| He's trying to create a brand. | ||
| You think so? | ||
| I think so. | ||
| So I read his bio on his website, and I decided that maybe I don't need to look too much further into this guy. | ||
| Quote, once established in a law and business advisory practice that spanned the globe from his home base in Malibu, California, Barnes parlayed his keen understanding of persuasion and patterns into a lucrative side business in sports and political betting. | ||
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Okay, we have a gambling lawyer. | |
| So he used persuasion to set up a gambling ring, which doesn't sound at all how you might politely describe the mob. | ||
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They used a lot of persuasion in their gambling rings. | |
| Using his persu... | ||
| So you know about... | ||
| He says in there, political gambling. | ||
| And you know what's interesting? | ||
| It turns out that he bet on Trump to win the election and ended up winning 470,000 euros. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| His prize was in euros because betting on presidential elections is super illegal in the US. | ||
| You can't do that here. | ||
| He had to go to Europe to do it. | ||
| No! | ||
| That's not fair! | ||
| Yeah, he won like a half million dollars going to Europe and betting on elections. | ||
| What else do you need? | ||
| Get out of here. | ||
| Go away, Barnes. | ||
| A real weird thing now for him to be actively involved in political activities that support Trump when he made half a million dollars gambling on an election. | ||
| Yeah, didn't Pete Rose get banned for this? | ||
| Shouldn't you get banned for life from that? | ||
| You're cheating. | ||
| Barnes isn't going to make it into the Hall of Fame. | ||
| He's not going to make it. | ||
| His bio goes on to say, quote, Barnes is now working for the rights of the underdog, providing his prescient fortune-telling strategy and polling insight to candidates of the populist persuasion. | ||
| A lawyer wrote that? | ||
| I think that that means he literally thinks he can see the future, and he's using his mystical abilities to help fascists, which doesn't sound at all like something that Hitler did back in the day. | ||
| Yeah, that really does sound like something that Hitler would do. | ||
| That does sound like something that Hitler would want. | ||
| So in 2004, Robert Barnes represented Joe Bannister in his tax protest case against the IRS. | ||
| Joe Bannister is someone who's been a hero of Alex's for a really long time. | ||
| I find it very difficult to imagine that Alex wouldn't have known who Joe Bannister's lawyer was. | ||
| There's a possibility that he's known this dude for 15 years. | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| I don't know that to be certain. | ||
| But the fact that he was involved with Bannister means that... | ||
| Yeah, or at the very least known of him. | ||
| Yes, for sure. | ||
| In 2008, Robert Barnes represented Girls Gone Wild creator Joe Francis on tax evasion charges. | ||
| Well, he did for a little while, but ultimately left as his counsel, to which Francis said, quote, The only reason they wanted me as a client was to mooch off me and open up an L.A. office. | ||
| They're the Paris Hilton of lawyers, just to be famous, not to do anything. | ||
| God, even when he's criticizing a monster, that guy's still a dick. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| What a dick. | ||
| So, in 2017, Barnes represented Cassandra Fairbanks when she was trying to sue a reporter for Fusion. | ||
| The reporter had tweeted an image of Fairbanks at the White House doing the OK hand gesture, which the reporter captioned as a, quote, white power hand gesture. | ||
| This is exactly why the trolls started doing that gesture to begin with, to bait people into responding this way, then suing them. | ||
| It's a publicity trap, and the lawyer Fairbanks got to represent her was Robert fucking Barnes. | ||
| Fusion rightly responded, the complaint, quote, is clearly frivolous. | ||
| This suit is an obvious publicity stunt in an attempt to intimidate reporters who scrutinize the extreme right. | ||
| Which is correct. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And Barnes is into that. | ||
| That's pretty much dead on. | ||
| In June 2018, the lawsuit was thrown out because, of course, it was. | ||
| In 2018, Chuck Johnson hired Barnes to represent him when he sued Twitter when they kicked him off after he had threatened to, quote, take out civil rights leader DeRay McKesson. | ||
| I don't know why they threatened to kick him off. | ||
| So you got, like, a real interesting... | ||
| Real thread through Barnes' career of some real interesting cases, especially lately. | ||
| Because he also represented Ralph Nader in a case, and also was Wesley Snipes' tax lawyer. | ||
| Why not? | ||
| Why not? | ||
| He has an interesting history of some of those celebrity clients, and then the more recent stuff of explicitly working with right-wing figures. | ||
| Yeah, he's a little bit like Avon Barksdale's lawyer. | ||
| Like that whole guy they have on retainer of just like, hey, if any of our guys goes to prison, you're the one representing them. | ||
| Like that kind of thing. | ||
| I think that's sort of the position he's trying to claim. | ||
| The space he's trying to claim for the right-wing propaganda community. | ||
| And I think that's interesting, and I think it's going to blow up in his face because of Alex. | ||
| Yes, of course. | ||
| But we'll see. | ||
| Maybe he'll be wise enough to avoid the... | ||
| But I don't think he is if he's going on this show a lot. | ||
| Yeah, no, it seems like he's doing the classic fucking mistake. | ||
| It's like a shortcut that has a trap door. | ||
| Take the long way, you get there safe. | ||
| Shortcut, you're going to fall through it. | ||
| This is folly. | ||
| You're putting too much attention on yourself. | ||
| Especially too much bad attention. | ||
| Because you're going on Alex's fucking show three times in a week. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| So Alex is going to complain here in this next clip before Barnes shows up about how blue cities are falling apart. | ||
| Which, of course, we know because we've listened to Alex's show before. | ||
| He says it all the fucking time. | ||
| Every blue city in the country is not just collapsing into typhoid and leprosy and drug-resistant TB and literally hundreds of other diseases. | ||
| Hundreds! | ||
| They're collapsing into homelessness, drug abuse, needles. | ||
| With a cherry on top of men dressed as women running around at public events with small children. | ||
| That's the cherry on top. | ||
| Was Sodom and Gomorrah real in the Bible? | ||
| Archaeologists think so. | ||
| The Old Testament. | ||
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Okay, but your point of order? | |
| What's your point of order? | ||
| People aren't referencing Sodom and Gomorrah. | ||
| Just as the place. | ||
| Like, there's a larger context around it that it doesn't matter if the place is real or not. | ||
| The story needs to be... | ||
| But Alex has said that it is, so... | ||
| I mean, archaeologists say it is. | ||
| No, I know, but that doesn't mean that the story... | ||
| Is true? | ||
| Yeah, it doesn't mean that. | ||
| No, even if the place is true, it doesn't mean the story is true. | ||
| No, it doesn't. | ||
| So, a number of folks over the years have tried to claim that they've discovered the archaeological sites where Sodom and Gomorrah once stood, but each time their claims are scrutinized and found to be deeply flawed. | ||
| You know, also, I would imagine that a lot of those guys share one thing, which is they're looking for Sodom and Gomorrah for a very specific reason. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| And that reason is to... | ||
| I strongly disagree, because I think the archaeological curiosity... | ||
| Is very strong. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| You know, like Heinrich Schliemann spending his whole life trying to find Troy. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| I get that. | ||
| I think that... | ||
| I don't think anyone's trying to prove anything by archaeology. | ||
| Maybe a couple are, but not most. | ||
| Well, that's fair. | ||
| Those two guys wanted to prove bones and shit. | ||
| Dinosaurs. | ||
| I fucking know Heinrich Schliemann's name. | ||
| So that's what you want as an archaeologist. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| Being the person to stake your name on a thing. | ||
| Imagine being the person who discovers Sodom. | ||
| Yeah, fair enough. | ||
| I suppose I was more leaning towards the people who would then exploit it immediately after that. | ||
| That is fair. | ||
| That's who I was thinking of. | ||
| But one of the more prominent proposed locations for Sodom is a dig site called Tal al-Hammam, which many found to be a pretty good candidate, as fitting geographically possibly where it was. | ||
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Tal al-Hammam and tell your mother you're brilliant. | |
| Unfortunately, once people look closer, they found that if that site is accepted as Sodom, then it completely rewrites and invalidates accepted biblical dates for the time period. | ||
| Similar problems pop up in many attempts to pin down a geographic location for either of the cities. | ||
| Alex is kind of right, and as much as some enterprising archaeologists looking to make a name for themselves do think that they've found Sodom or Gomorrah, but a wider scholarly community takes a more measured approach, taking the position that they could be real places, but we don't have evidence that they are as of... | ||
| Also, I don't think you'd find many archaeologists who believe the story of Sodom and Gomorrah literally. | ||
| I would suspect most of them would say that if the place was real and there's any truth to the story, it's a metaphorical retelling of a natural disaster that happened and wiped out a ton of people. | ||
| It's an element of oral tradition. | ||
| It's scapegoating. | ||
| We talked a little bit about this when Alex brought up Aesop, and there are a lot of parallels. | ||
| You tell a story about two cities destroyed by a terrible earthquake or something, and you need to have it make sense. | ||
| So in oral tradition, you introduce an element of divine retribution that caused this instead of shitty luck, and that way you also reinforce cultural norms and expectations through the telling of the story, and there you go. | ||
| Yeah, a bunch of guys wanted to rape some angels, and instead they raped those dudes' daughters, and anyways, the city destroyed. | ||
| Don't do any of that shit. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| Fable complete. | ||
| Indeed. | ||
| So anyway, archaeologists don't agree that Sodom and Gomorrah were real places based on available evidence. | ||
| Alex is just doing that to, I guess, be a dick? | ||
| Yeah, it does sound like that. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So in this next clip, Alex says that he is willing to turn on Trump and Kushner. | ||
| And this is because news has come out that Kushner's going to Bilderberg, and this is a big problem. | ||
| Yeah, that's going to really fuck with your narrative there. | ||
| Yeah, but Alex has decided it's cool. | ||
| Unless Kushner pulls fucking Cersei and High Septon's that shit, you know what I'm saying? | ||
| I don't think he has any wildfire, but the thing is with... | ||
| With Alex, he's already done this. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Because Trump went to Davos. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| So he's already worked out how to play this game. | ||
| It's like, yes, of course, it's a den of globalists. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But it's fine. | ||
| They're cool. | ||
| Yeah, that's a simple paste and replace situation there. | ||
| So he's responding to criticisms that a lot of people have been throwing at him. | ||
| The Kushner's going to Bilderberg. | ||
| So in order to say, like, hey, this isn't a problem. | ||
| He makes it clear that if there ever is a problem or if there was, he would fucking turn on them. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Which I would like to point out has happened six times already. | ||
| Yeah, at least. | ||
| So this doesn't mean anything. | ||
| Now, if I see anything out of Kushner or Trump that's pissing on our sovereignty or our freedom, our values, I'll turn on them like a pit bull on PCP. | ||
| But let me give you a little news flash. | ||
| It ain't gonna happen. | ||
| It's not, folks. | ||
| It's not. | ||
| So, everybody should just relax. | ||
| We're conquering Bilderberg right now. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| When investigating a hypothesis, one should never assume the outcome before the experiment has taken place. | ||
| Is the experiment Kushner going to Bilderberg? | ||
| Yes, it is. | ||
| That's not an experiment. | ||
| That's just a dude going to a meeting. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| It's not anything. | ||
| No, the experiment is, what would it take for somebody to turn on Trump? | ||
| Don't worry about it. | ||
| That's not going to happen. | ||
| So, yeah, it's not going to happen because you're not going to do it, not because of them. | ||
| We've seen that it's not going to happen with Alex because it's happened repeatedly. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| And it's just like, oh, I'll just walk that back when I sober up. | ||
| Yep. | ||
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Cool. | |
| Whatever, man. | ||
| That's not fair. | ||
| So you remember earlier, I was talking about the idea of this purge that people were pushing for in the beginning, early days of Trump's presidency. | ||
| Yes, palace intrigue. | ||
| How all of these people in the right-wing media, including Alex and a lot of his guests, and people who were more associated with him then than they are now, people like Mike Cernovich, who doesn't come around anymore. | ||
| A lot of people's images don't show up in their photographs anymore. | ||
| I compared that to... | ||
| Specifically and intentionally, the idea of this recent purge that Kim Jong-un carried out. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I didn't expect for Alex to bring back Robert Barnes on this 31st episode and them talk about that purge and be kind of cool with it. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| He's ending the status quo. | ||
| We know 60 years of this ain't working. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And what he's done is he's decided, now this is not the happiest or healthiest mechanism of dealing with a failed peace conference, is to kill and imprison everybody who he blames for it. | ||
| But what he's doing is he's establishing that he wants it to go forward, that he does not blame the president, that he wants the president's agenda, and he blames his people for not achieving that agenda of the peace and detente that the president's called. | ||
| And then Trump signals he may get rid of Bolton, which is another signal. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| That is a really fucked up way to rationalize and be like, hey, it's totally cool this dictator either killed or... | ||
| Whoa, whoa, it's not cool. | ||
| It's definitely not the healthiest way to go about it, Dan. | ||
| That's so stupid. | ||
| That's such a... | ||
| That is... | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| Not the healthiest way to do it. | ||
| Look, there are better ways. | ||
| But you've got to signal somehow. | ||
| It is kind of you've got to give it to them. | ||
| It is so much. | ||
| You've got to give it to Kim Jong-un. | ||
| He is trying to signal to Trump that he wants to move forward by killing the people who negotiated this agreement. | ||
| Yep, this is very... | ||
| You know what? | ||
| This is a real strategic move on his part, and if it achieves his goal, then I think we should support it. | ||
| That was one of the most disjointed ideas I've heard come out of a lawyer's mouth, let alone a guest on Alex Jones' show. | ||
| Like, it's... | ||
| It's delusional, first of all. | ||
| What the North Korean press, or what I was reading was that the idea for the purge was that Kim Jong-un was mad that these people didn't understand U.S. intentions in the meeting. | ||
| And the U.S. intention that they didn't understand was that there was an expectation of complete denuclearization. | ||
| So it doesn't seem like the purge was particularly to get more in line with Trump. | ||
| No. | ||
| It seems like it might be more away from what Trump should have been pushing for. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So it seems like this is a step backwards, but Robert Barnes and Alex Jones are willing to go on air and argue that a purging of government officials in the wake of a not-going-great conference... | ||
| Not the best way to go about it! | ||
| But okay, but it's a good sign. | ||
| It's a positive. | ||
| It's not a positive. | ||
| A lot of people think that meteors crashing into the earth is bad, but you know what? | ||
| We get to see all that fire first. | ||
| It's great. | ||
| That's a wild thought. | ||
| I mean, there's a lot of times that I just think, like, these guys are really going for it. | ||
| And that's one of them. | ||
| That's really going for it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Trying to sort of reclaim Kim Jong-un purging people as a positive for the nationalism. | ||
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It's their space. | |
| It's their space, you know? | ||
| It's fucked up. | ||
| Man, you know, it is nice to see Barnes really demystifying lawyers, you know, because so often they're presented as being rational, intelligent people, when, you know what, they're just assholes like the rest of us, and that dude's fucking crazy. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| Speaking of crazy, Robert Barnes is nuts. | ||
| Is nuts. | ||
| So there's a bit of a story going around that's come out about some tapes that are supposed to be released, I believe, in 2027, of Martin Luther King. | ||
| And they don't portray him in a positive light. | ||
| The tapes that were used to blackmail him? | ||
| Probably. | ||
| I would assume so. | ||
| I don't know enough about it and all the reporting on it that I was looking at was second-hand of people who had seen them in the archives. | ||
| So I don't have a full position on it at press time as we record this. | ||
| But I do have a position on it in terms of, like, I don't think that anyone is trying to get Martin Luther King cancelled. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
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Damn? | |
| Damn? | ||
| Because they did it. | ||
| Because they did cancel him. | ||
| The very people. | ||
| You make a fair point. | ||
| I mean that the left and the SJWs aren't trying to cancel Martin Luther King with this talk of these tapes. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| That seems to be what Alex believes, though. | ||
| And Alex and Robert Barnes have a conversation about the canceling. | ||
| Of Martin Luther King. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And they have a theory about why the left has turned on him. | ||
| Did we? | ||
| According to Alex and Barnes. | ||
| I don't recall doing that. | ||
| I don't either. | ||
| Still pretty sure he's a-okay in my book. | ||
| I don't recall turning on Martin Luther King either, but I guess now that Alex and Robert have said it, we have to. | ||
| It does seem like we did. | ||
| I guess so. | ||
| Retroactively. | ||
| And now we get to find out why. | ||
| So this is what's unique about Martin Luther King was that he was a racial unifier. | ||
| Get your name. | ||
| That his appeal to civil rights wasn't based on, hey, I'm black, give me civil rights. | ||
| It was, I'm an American. | ||
| And that's the real reason they killed him. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| So he was such a unifying figure across classes, across races, and he was appealing to the deepest part of Americana. | ||
| So that's interesting. | ||
| All right. | ||
| So the way that he said that is so mixed with being correct and wrong in the right and wrong ways. | ||
| Simultaneously, that it vexes me, Dan. | ||
| It's a little wild. | ||
| This is a vexing episode. | ||
| In this next clip, you'll get more vexed, probably. | ||
| The left is openly trying to discredit Martin Luther King. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| I mean, it shows how crazy the left has got. | ||
| King is probably the biggest threat to their divisive message of anybody in our public lexicon. | ||
| That's why I used to quote him once a month, every hour. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because... | ||
| I mean, they have to take him out. | ||
| They have to take him out because he was a uniter. | ||
| Now, if I were to make a complete... | ||
| Are they writing J. Edgar Hoover's speeches for him? | ||
| Like, what is going on here? | ||
| It's weird. | ||
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This is bananas. | |
| They're talking about what J. Edgar Hoover did, who was not on the left! | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I mean, what they're describing is what happened. | ||
| Maybe there's not enough context from those clips, but what they're saying is that these tapes, they're not happy about the, like, J. Edgar Hoover and the FBI and all their actions. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| They're saying now the left is going to use all that to cancel Martin Luther King. | ||
| Okay, okay. | ||
| And all that. | ||
| So if I were to make a complete list, this podcast may never end, but I wanted to point out a few things that Alex and Barnes are intentionally leaving out of their discussion of Martin Luther King Jr. | ||
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Things that make me 100% sure that should Alex have been active in the 60s, he's not Oh, yeah! | |
| Oh, yeah! | ||
| In 1967... | ||
| The left wants to kill him! | ||
| In 1967, Martin Luther King literally gave a speech at Riverside Church and posited that private property rights were not a primary concern. | ||
| The left hates him! | ||
| Quote, when machines and computers, profit motives and property rights are considered more important than people, the giant triplet of racism, materialism and militarism are incapable of being conquered. | ||
| He's the only thing standing in between the left and victory, Dan. | ||
| In his final book... | ||
| Where do we go from here? | ||
| King pushes for guaranteed income, constitutional amendments regarding economic equality, and increasing public housing. | ||
| He expresses support for job guarantees and universal health care. | ||
| He literally called for redistribution of wealth. | ||
| And that's why he's the darling of the right, Dan. | ||
| Because of his inclusive message. | ||
| What Alex and Robert Barnes are doing here is engaging in whitewashing of Martin Luther King's life and legacy. | ||
| He was a uniter, absolutely. | ||
| But he was trying to unite people for a goal that these two Thank you. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| of alex's guides and inspirations were diametrically opposed to martin luther king when he was actually alive alex's favorite book none dare call it conspiracy was written by gary allen a dude who worked for the george wallace campaign who was a fucking segregationist alex's favorite non-trump politician of all time ron paul was explicitly against the civil rights act and uh that's true of a uh upsettingly large number of libertarians Yeah. | ||
| My point is this. | ||
| You can say that Martin Luther King was a uniter all you want, and in many ways that's totally cool. | ||
| What Alex and Barnes are doing here, however, is stealing Martin Luther King's legacy from him and imagining that some possible world exists where they would have been in that very small percentage of the population that didn't hate Martin Luther King when he was still alive. | ||
| This is a pathetic and disgusting display, but just about what you'd expect from these couple of dicks. | ||
| I think I would say that's pretty much the entire Republican Party's default position regarding Martin Luther King Jr. | ||
| I mean, it's one of Louis CK's... | ||
| Better bits, but the idea that every year white people add another hundred years from the day slavery happened. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, like that every day that Martin Luther King Jr. has been dead, we can take a little bit away from what he was actually trying to do, and then just really, oh, he was a symbol of American unity. | ||
| That's what he was. | ||
| Alex pretends that all the stuff he screams about the globalists about aren't very in line with stuff that King was pushing for. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| It's like, go fuck yourself, Alex. | ||
| He would have been screaming that he's a globalist. | ||
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Uh-huh. | |
| You dumb prick. | ||
| And that is why he was taken out, is because he was uniting a lot of people in order to fight against people like you. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| People who are as engaged in maintaining the status quo as you are. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So, from what I understand... | ||
| Trying to kill Fred Hampton. | ||
| From what I understand, a bit of this tape and the tapes that are to be released, they have to do with mistreatment of women. | ||
| And that is obviously something that does complicate his legacy. | ||
| And it is something that has to be discussed. | ||
| It's something that you can't just ignore these bad parts of important figures. | ||
| And it doesn't mean that you have to say that they're cancelled. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Or anything like that. | ||
| You have to wrestle with those things. | ||
| And it's interesting the way that Alex wrestles with that specific element. | ||
| Because I think he goes... | ||
| I think you get a glimpse into how his brain works here. | ||
| He hates the... | ||
| He somehow is like... | ||
| No, it's actually good. | ||
| You'll see. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| So they're trying to leak negative, nasty things about King because they need to remove him from the lexicon. | ||
| It's what communists do in hardcore... | ||
| They airbrush you out. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| They kill who you really are, shut you down. | ||
| He's dead. | ||
| That's perfect. | ||
| Then they build up this straw man that you weren't. | ||
| He's now a Kavanaugh rapist. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Well, Kavanaugh's not a rapist. | ||
| They're comparing him to Harvey Weinstein. | ||
| That's how insane this is. | ||
| They're saying that Martin Luther King was the Harvey Weinstein of history. | ||
| That is a ridiculous... | ||
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Now, Harvey Weinstein is the Harvey Weinstein. | |
| That shows they've gone completely psychotic. | ||
| Because what King said was true... | ||
| Whether what they're saying about him is true, I don't buy a damn, because I've been through so many lies, I don't believe a damn thing they say, plus they have no proof. | ||
| It just makes me like King even more. | ||
| Well, first, I believe you're discussing tapes, which would, I assume, be the proof. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So they do have proof. | ||
| Presumably, yeah. | ||
| And also... | ||
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What? | |
| No, that's not good. | ||
| No, it's weird. | ||
| It's weird that that's your impulse. | ||
| It's like, hey, these sorts of accusations of violence against women makes me like him even more. | ||
| Uh-oh. | ||
| Alex, your brain is weird. | ||
| That's not good. | ||
| No. | ||
| That's not good. | ||
| So in this next clip, Barnes makes clear that he doesn't know shit about what Martin Luther King was all about, but he's still trying to claim him. | ||
| He's trying to take the legacy. | ||
| Everybody wants him. | ||
| And so what you see with King is King presents a historical counter-narrative to the leftist agenda. | ||
| It's a unifying agenda. | ||
| It's an American-rooted agenda. | ||
| It's a Constitution-based agenda. | ||
| King was very much about unifying people, unifying people in the name of a conservative tradition in general, by appealing to our constitutional history, and by particularly saying, and very patriotic. | ||
| That because I'm an American, because I'm a man, I should have the same rights as all men and as all Americans. | ||
| It was not a reparations-based appeal. | ||
| It was not a poor-me-pity-me appeal. | ||
| It was not a give-me-special-rights appeal. | ||
| It was give-me-equal-rights appeal. | ||
| So, here's why that's stupid. | ||
| I would like Barnes... | ||
| Barnes, I challenge you now to give me one thing about Martin Luther King Jr. that you have read and remembered, because none of that. | ||
| Well, here's something he should read, or go ahead. | ||
| I'll just read it for him. | ||
| Oh, that'd be nice of you. | ||
| This is a speech that Martin Luther King Jr. gave in 1968. | ||
| It was on his speaking tour leading up to the Poor People's March in Washington. | ||
| Quote, At the very same time that America refused to give the Negro any land, through an act of Congress, Not only that, they provided low interest rates in order that they could mechanize their farms. | ||
| Not only that, today many of these people are receiving millions of dollars in federal subsidies not to farm, and they are the very people telling the black man that he ought to lift himself up by his bootstraps. | ||
| And this is what we are faced with, and this is the reality. | ||
| He finished his thoughts by saying, quote, Now, when we come to Washington, in this case, It is explicitly about reparations. | ||
| Barnes and Alex are not interested in Martin Luther King Jr. | ||
| No, they hate Martin Luther King Jr. | ||
| They are interested in stealing him and turning him into a prop that they can use to further their agenda and their propaganda. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's very transparent. | ||
| No, really, Fox News should be banned from actually saying Martin Luther King Jr.'s name. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Like, it's so disgraceful for any of them to even say it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Ugh, it's disgusting. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So, remember how Alex responded to the stuff about these tapes? | ||
| The idea that it makes it like him more? | ||
| Yeah, he loves it. | ||
| Locker room talk, Dan. | ||
| Locker room talk. | ||
| It would be weird to just hear that. | ||
| I would find that fucked up. | ||
| But then, it's even weirder that not a couple minutes later, he says this. | ||
| I was about 14 years old. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| One of my dad's cousins was over, and she was good-looking, hot blonde. | ||
| She's probably like 30 years old. | ||
| What? | ||
| And, man, her husband was there, and I probably went out shooting everything. | ||
| He was a lawyer. | ||
| I've been out there when we're friends, but, man, I slapped her on the ass, and it was sexual. | ||
| And he kind of looked at me and said, hey, you better watch it. | ||
| And she laughed, but he was like, and I'm a 14-year-old slapping a full-grown woman on the ass, and he was kind of like, hey, Junior, you better watch it, because it was sexual, and I couldn't help it. | ||
| It's unbelievable. | ||
| We'll be right back. | ||
| There's no reason to tell that story. | ||
| Why did you tell that story? | ||
| What the fuck just happened there? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
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You're on the air, man. | |
| That's pretty... | ||
| Even one-on-one, that story coming up would make me go, I wish we'd never started speaking. | ||
| I think he just thinks he has attorney-client privilege because he's talking to his lawyer on air. | ||
| None of this is usable. | ||
| None of this is usable against me! | ||
| So it's really weird to have a situation where, yeah, I mean, there is the possibility that some of Martin Luther King Jr.'s personal history is going to change in terms of the conversation surrounding him. | ||
| I think that that's something that history allows for. | ||
| Scholarship allows for that. | ||
| The context of these recordings is something that will be a more complicated conversation to have eventually. | ||
| But when Alex is like, the left is just trying to take him out because he's a threat to the narrative or whatever. | ||
| And also, by the way, whenever there's accusations of sexual assault, I'm cool with it. | ||
| I kind of like the person more. | ||
| And then he immediately tells a story about sexually assaulting a family member at 14. It's weird. | ||
| Really weird. | ||
| That's just a weird story from start to finish. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| Why you're telling it to me? | ||
| Weird. | ||
| What it is. | ||
| Weird. | ||
| It's a cousin. | ||
| Weird. | ||
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She's married and 30 and you're 14. First cousin once removed. | |
| Weird. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| All of this is weird. | ||
| I don't appreciate none of that. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| It's vexing. | ||
| It's very vexing. | ||
| I thought, I suppose, naively, I thought everybody knew that... | ||
| J. Edgar Hoover was trying to blackmail Martin Luther King Jr. because he was having multiple affairs. | ||
| I think that some of this goes past affairs, though. | ||
| Does it? | ||
| I think so. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I don't know, because the articles that I was reading were not specific enough for me to really glean a ton of information about it. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I'm not qualified to speak on it because I don't know enough. | ||
| I know that there is a kernel of it that probably involves that exact thing. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Who we're trying to blackmail. | ||
| But I also assume that there's more information in there than is known. | ||
| Yeah, it's really difficult going back through with so many of those people of like the heroes of the... | ||
| Yeah, and that's the complicated legacy that a lot of people leave behind. | ||
| That's difficult. | ||
| But also, Alex does bring up something that really does scare me, because it is something that could be done eventually. | ||
| With the emerging technologies that we have. | ||
| That is, when someone's dead, you could completely rewrite their history by creating doctored videos of them and stuff with all the new technologies that are emerging. | ||
| There is the possibility of doing that. | ||
| I don't think that's what's going on here, but it's a fucking scary thought. | ||
| That is a super scary thought. | ||
| And I assume that people who listen to Alex and his community will be more likely to do that than anyone else. | ||
| Yeah, I try. | ||
| Really hard never to think about that because it is too terrifying. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's the annihilation of... | ||
| Reality. | ||
| Yeah, objective reality. | ||
| So, I don't know, man. | ||
| This is a weird episode. | ||
| It's been vexing, as you've said, and I agree. | ||
| It's full of barns. | ||
| So much Barnes. | ||
| This show is crazy. | ||
| And he's done zero good work, Dan. | ||
| None. | ||
| I expected to go back and, like, you know, obviously I thought it was going to be a lot of Mueller talk, but it's not much. | ||
| Of course not. | ||
| Robert Barnes talks for a little while about how, like, you know, he was way out of line in that press conference. | ||
| Okay, that's what I expected to hear. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's real boring. | ||
| There's just not much. | ||
| It's kind of... | ||
| Every time. | ||
| Every time. | ||
| We think it's going to be something, and then all of a sudden, you've got to give it up to Kim Jong-un for murdering people. | ||
| There's that, and then also a lot of cauliflower talk, which I am not here for. | ||
| No. | ||
| Don't care. | ||
| So, yeah. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I'm glad that we did this episode, if only for Alex's... | ||
| Drop about donuts. | ||
| Yeah, that is too good. | ||
| If only for that. | ||
| You want to play that again? | ||
| I do. | ||
| I was back in the coffee room where somebody bought donuts and I just inhaled two of them. | ||
| Stop it. | ||
| Even though I appreciate it. | ||
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I appreciate it. | |
| You're not tickled by that. | ||
| You don't have a soul. | ||
| So it's worth it for that. | ||
| Oh, goddamn. | ||
| But we'll be back with another episode on Wednesday. | ||
| We will. | ||
| But until then, we have a website. | ||
| We do have a website. | ||
| It's knowledgefight.com. | ||
| We are on Twitter. | ||
| It's at knowledge underscore fight and I'm at gotobedjordan. | ||
| And we're all on Facebook. | ||
| We are on Facebook and you can download us on the iTunes, other places. | ||
| Subscribe, reviews. | ||
| Find them all. | ||
| Go to Napster. | ||
| Search for our torrent. | ||
| You'll be able to get some. | ||
| We're on LimeWire. | ||
| Good stuff. | ||
| Can't remember any other places I used to download music. | ||
| But, yeah, until then, I mean, Robert Barnes has had a lot of weird clients. | ||
| But I'll say, I don't think Ralph Nader's killed anybody. | ||
| Probably true. | ||
| Paid Robert Barnes some money, but probably never killed anybody. | ||
| Ralph Nader. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| No, Nader never killed. | ||
| Nah, it doesn't seem like it. | ||
| Nader doesn't kill. | ||
| His hands are too weak. | ||
| But one guy who technically probably has is Alex Jones. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Alex, I'm a first time caller. | |
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your work. |