Today, Dan and Jordan discuss all the ins and outs of what happened on the Alex Jones Show on April 25th and 26th. It's mostly Alex rehashing old narratives and lying about people who are suing him, but along the way, he finds time to his toe into some of incredibly troubling ideas.
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| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
| Hello, Alex. | ||
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I'm a first-time caller. | |
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your work. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Hey, everybody. | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
| I'm Jordan. | ||
| We're a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Oh, indeed we are, Dan. | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| Dan? | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| What's your first memory? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I mean, this is a little personal. | ||
| I don't remember a whole lot of my youth. | ||
| Like, I legitimately don't. | ||
| I have large gaps in my memory. | ||
| Like, a lot of people talk about how they remember things from when they were, like, four or five and stuff like that. | ||
| I am almost... | ||
| Nothing. | ||
| A lot of my earliest memories are things that have been reconstructed from pictures that my parents have. | ||
| And so probably one of my earliest memories is I had a baseball cake when we lived in Cambridge, Massachusetts, back when I was real young. | ||
| Under the age of six. | ||
| But I don't remember it. | ||
| I remember the picture of it. | ||
| There's things like that. | ||
| Yeah, I think that's a completely relatable phenomenon. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know. | ||
| So it'd be tough for me to think about what the earliest one is. | ||
| And it's also tough for me to think about any memories right now because I am on almost no sleep from drunk people in my new apartment complex keeping me up until 4 or 5 in the morning. | ||
| With their bullshit. | ||
| Well, it was a Chicago holiday. | ||
| It snowed on the 28th. | ||
| Yeah, that was great. | ||
| I celebrated by getting a bath bomb. | ||
| I'd never used a bath bomb before. | ||
| I'd like to give you my review on that. | ||
| You've never used a bath bomb before? | ||
| No, I like an Epsom salt. | ||
| I used to like a bubble bath back in the day, but I never explored the bomb world. | ||
| Yeah, how do you feel about the bomb? | ||
| Bad review? | ||
| Well, I mean, it's fine. | ||
| You know, like a nice lavender scent and what have you is still an enjoyable bath. | ||
| But I expected more. | ||
| It's called a bomb. | ||
| It just sort of fizzed a little bit in the tub. | ||
| I really expected some, like, I don't know what I expected. | ||
| Fireworks? | ||
| Something? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| That's how I celebrate there being snow a couple days before May in Chicago, which is awesome. | ||
| Love it. | ||
| Love you, Chicago. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| But this is a show where we complain about Chicago weather. | ||
| Indeed. | ||
| And I know a lot about Alex Jones. | ||
| And I only know what you tell me. | ||
| Jordan, today we are back in the present. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| We're going to be going over April 25th and 26th. | ||
| Not a huge fan of the present right now. | ||
| No, it stinks. | ||
| Alex has just gotten back from going to Bullhorn in Washington, D.C., yelling at the Capitol building to let him back on Twitter. | ||
| Because he's an adult. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| And we will get to how that goes so horribly wrong. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Before we do that, something that is so horribly right. | ||
| That is thanking people who make this show possible who are supporting the show. | ||
| First of all, Anthony, thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you, Anthony. | ||
| Thank you very much, Anthony. | ||
| Next, Vanessa, thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you, Vanessa. | ||
| Next, Daniel, thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
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Thank you, Daniel. | |
| Don't like how imitatable my rhythm is. | ||
| No, I mean, we just have so many Daniels now that I can just hear it in my music of it. | ||
| I've got to become less predictable with my speech patterns. | ||
| Next, someone who took their donation elevated it up a little bit. | ||
| We appreciate it very much. | ||
| So, Ozma, thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a globalist. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
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Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. | |
| Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. | ||
| Daddy Shark! | ||
| Thank you so much, Osma. | ||
| Thank you, Osma. | ||
| Next and finally, I'd like to say thank you to somebody who donated on an elevated level. | ||
| We appreciate it very much. | ||
| So Metta, M-E-T-T-A, thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a technocrat. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
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Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. | |
| Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. | ||
| Daddy Shark. | ||
| Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. | ||
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He's a loser little titty baby. | |
| I don't want to hate black people. | ||
| I renounce Jesus Christ. | ||
| Thank you so much, Metta. | ||
| Thank you very much, Ron Artest. | ||
| Oh, Metta World Beats? | ||
| Yeah, I think it was him, right? | ||
| No, it's not. | ||
| No, it's probably not him. | ||
| No, but if you are out there listening, Ron Artest. | ||
| Please feel free to support the show. | ||
| You can do that by going to our website, knowledgefight.com, clicking the button that says support the show. | ||
| You can do that if you're not Ron Artest as well. | ||
| I hope so. | ||
| We would appreciate it. | ||
| So, Jordan, today, like I said, 25th, 26th, what up? | ||
| Crazy stuff. | ||
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This is going to be bad. | |
| So, let's at least enjoy a little bit of fun here at the beginning with this Out of Context drop. | ||
| Big new sale is, we've never done this before, 100% off, knock out the great sleep aid. | ||
| That's not a sale. | ||
| Wait, what? | ||
| 100% off? | ||
| That should give you some sense of where things are at. | ||
| What, do they throw it at you out of a moving car? | ||
| You have to buy a bottle of, like, Brain Force or whatever, and you get a bottle of Knockout for free. | ||
| Why did he say 100% off? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Isn't that like a buy one, get one free sale? | ||
| Yeah, kind of. | ||
| The framing of it is really bad. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It stinks of desperation. | ||
| 100% off. | ||
| And I'm presenting this as our new sale. | ||
| Good. | ||
| Good stuff. | ||
| Our new sale is we need to get rid of this shit so we're starting to fire it out of a cannon. | ||
| That should give you a little bit of a sense of what's going on with Alex's business model. | ||
| He talks about how the money stream is not doing great. | ||
| Not doing great, huh? | ||
| No. | ||
| We're taking over the world. | ||
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Of course. | |
| But the money is not good. | ||
| The money is too tight to mention. | ||
| You know, what you really need to take over the world is a can-do attitude, not a multi-million dollar business, Dan. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| And so... | ||
| We begin on the 25th, and Alex is talking about what happened while he was in D.C., and he had a little bit of a run-in with a guest of his who he got to have an impromptu, totally, absolutely authentic and normal, not set up interview with. | ||
| Oh, that's nice. | ||
| By the way, he wasn't the Soros connected guy, even though he knows Soros' son and did some trading with him on Wall Street that offered me. | ||
| The Bitcoin to join with the dark side. | ||
| But he got the heat for it when I mentioned that. | ||
| But that's a separate time he offered me $150 million in Bitcoin back when it was worth a dollar apiece when it first came out. | ||
| He's talking about Max Keiser. | ||
| He ran into Max Keiser at the Trump Hotel. | ||
| He ran into Max Keiser. | ||
| They were both drinking some Stella Artois at the Trump Hotel. | ||
| What was Max Keiser there for nominally otherwise? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I mean, he's a journalist. | ||
| He works for RT. | ||
| I mean, he has a show on RT. | ||
| He's a man about town. | ||
| I think he might have some connections in media and stuff like that. | ||
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Really? | |
| Yeah, I mean, I don't think... | ||
| Of Alex's guests, he's one that actually probably has more of a career than a lot of these other dicks. | ||
| Yeah, I have a hard time. | ||
| Anytime we talk about that, every time you tell me he's a journalist and he has his own show, and I'm like, a guy who's tried to sell me on MaxCoin can't actually have a job. | ||
| That can't be a thing. | ||
| He's got MaxCoin. | ||
| But if you were super into Bitcoin when it was pretty profitable and you made a good amount of money off it, I don't think it would be that weird that you might want to fuck around and start your own coin. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Even if it's not something you think is going to make you your nest egg or whatever, it could be fun. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| No, that'd be great. | ||
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If Max went on there and he was like, buy some MaxCoin because it's hilarious, then I'm fine with that. | |
| I'm not sure that he sells MaxCoin as hard as we do. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Or we pretend he does. | ||
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Okay. | |
| I think we, as a joke, talk about it probably more than he does. | ||
| Still not worth much. | ||
| So over the course of just the time we've been paying attention to him, Alex has told a lot of different stories about how the globalists have tried to get him to come over to their side. | ||
| He said that Fox News executives have offered him million-dollar contracts. | ||
| He said that vaguely described people have offered him tens of million dollars to turn on the Republic and all the noble patriots that he represents. | ||
| When he was super fucked up doing that Reddit Ask Me Anything session, he also seemed to accidentally admit that none of that actually even happened when he responded to a question about being offered tons of money by the globalists by saying, it never happened. | ||
| The new version we're seeing presented today is that a Soros-connected person, who's definitely not Max Keiser, offered him millions in Bitcoin as the fabled payoff for him to sell out. | ||
| 150 million in Bitcoin. | ||
| Something like that. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| When it was worth a dollar. | ||
| So 150 million Bitcoin. | ||
| Well, that's impossible. | ||
| Right. | ||
| There's tons of problems with this story. | ||
| For one, Bitcoin didn't exist until January 2009. | ||
| And his stories of attempts to buy him out by the globalists, all these stories, they predate that. | ||
| when the stories he's telling are set. | ||
| So when he would tell the story in the present day, these stories were set before January 2009, before Bitcoin even existed. | ||
| Yeah, he was telling post-Y2K stories in 1998. | ||
| It took a year after that point in January 2009 when Bitcoin was introduced for any recorded commercial transactions to happen with Bitcoin when some dude bought two Papa John's pizzas for 10,000 Bitcoins, which would be worth approximately. | ||
| 40 million dollars today crazy fun yeah fun it wouldn't be until july 2010 that bitcoin would have a value over a penny and it wasn't until april 2011 the bitcoin broke the one-to-one value ratio with the dollar at which point it began fluctuating wildly probably uh because it was a completely unregulated currency that was ripe for the picking of really shady scam artists There's a maximum of 21 million bitcoins that can ever exist in circulation. | ||
| That's an essential piece of the system and how it works. | ||
| Globalists could have offered Alex all the bitcoin that could ever exist in late 2010, and it would still only be worth $2 million, an amount Alex would be an idiot to accept. | ||
| Even if they offered him every single bitcoin at the point when bitcoin is worth a dollar each, that would only be $21 million, which Alex, by his own, like, how much money I make and what it takes to run this operation, He would run out of that money so fucking fast. | ||
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It's a pittance. | |
| And if he got all of the Bitcoin in existence, they would instantly become worth nothing. | ||
| That's how... | ||
| I hate Bitcoin. | ||
| I hate Bitcoin because every time I hear more and more about it, like the mining of Bitcoin or the fact that... | ||
| I didn't know that there could only ever be 21 million Bitcoin. | ||
| That's part of what makes it valuable. | ||
| There's only like 17 million in circulation right now or something like that. | ||
| See, now every time somebody tells me stuff like that, I'm like, is money even real? | ||
| Why not just write things on napkins? | ||
| I don't know what it means. | ||
| But that's one of these people's chief complaints about the idea of fiat currencies. | ||
| You can just print more of them. | ||
| It's not like how gold has a finite amount theoretically in the universe. | ||
| Same thing with Bitcoin. | ||
| There's a finite amount of them, which guarantees that they will always have some value. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Or whatever. | ||
| That's fun. | ||
| I guess. | ||
| I don't know what it means. | ||
| I have a sense of what it means. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So here's what's actually going on here. | ||
| Alex recently ran into Max Keiser while drinking at the Trump Hotel in D.C., where he mentioned that he had offered Alex 10,000 Bitcoins sometime back in the past, and that Alex, had he have kept them, it would be worth $50 million today. | ||
| And so Alex's response to that is saying, I turned down $50 million, something like that. | ||
| Alex knows that this makes him look stupid for not taking them, so he needs to create a reason for him to have been skeptical about Bitcoin. | ||
| And what better way than to associate the cryptocurrency with an attempted globalist payoff? | ||
| Alex is a bimetallic, hard-currency guy from way back. | ||
| His show legitimately only exists today because of the investment of Ted Anderson in Midas Resources in the late 90s, so at no point, while Ted was still Alex's sugar daddy, could he ever have cozied up with an alternative currency. | ||
| There's no way that would have flown. | ||
| But just because Alex is in the pocket of a gold and silver salesman, that doesn't mean that a lot of the people in his orbit weren't cryptocurrency scammers. | ||
| And over the course of his career, it's been very clear that a lot of Alex's guests have tried to entice him into being the front man for a pump and dump type scheme. | ||
| It very much appears that way based on looking over the people who have tried to seduce Alex into Bitcoin. | ||
| A number of his guests have tried to get Alex to endorse Bitcoin, which would lead his audience to buying up what they can and inflating the price, whereupon these guests who talked Alex into endorsing would most likely sell at that elevated price point and leave Alex's audience holding the bag. | ||
| This is something that John McAfee has been particularly criticized about. | ||
| Promoting coins specifically to raise their value, providing pump and dump opportunities for people in the know to capitalize on. | ||
| Something that people talk about a lot. | ||
| In Bitcoin forums, you can find people discussing this openly. | ||
| Like this commenter who said this on 9pm on Christmas Eve in 2017. | ||
| Quote. | ||
| You need to stay in tune with his tweets, and that is what everyone has been doing for a while now. | ||
| And you need to be fast on buying these coins that he'll tweet, because you might get stuck in the middle of it if you're too slow of doing it. | ||
| So stay tuned and keep looking at his Twitter account, and you'll be part of his pump and dump group. | ||
| Of course, the reality is that these things happen really fast, like in a matter of minutes, oftentimes. | ||
| So what'll happen is that a lot of the times, the people watching McAfee's Twitter for clues will be too slow, and then they'll think that they're in on a scheme, but they'll be the ones who end up losing money in the scheme when the dump happens before they're ready for it. | ||
| The role that McAfee plays in these operations is almost certainly one that it appears that Alex has probably been offered to play, but not by the globalists. | ||
| For whatever reason, maybe because he's loved hard currency too much, maybe because Ted told him he couldn't, or maybe because he just didn't think Bitcoin would become worth a bunch later, Alex has pretty consistently resisted the invitations to enter the cryptocurrency world. | ||
| And I don't know if it's to his credit or not, but it's interesting to me. | ||
| It's a little bit weird. | ||
| Why would he think it makes him look stupid to... | ||
| It makes him look stupid now to have $50 million he could have on the table when he's begging people for money because he's getting sued by everybody. | ||
| Yeah, but I mean, that doesn't look stupid. | ||
| That's just like, oh, I had the chance to buy Apple stock in 1972, and if I had bought that, it would be worth $10 billion. | ||
| It's like... | ||
| That's not your fault. | ||
| Nobody can see the future on that. | ||
| Although he is a psychic, so that does kind of make him look stupid. | ||
| But also in the video, Max is saying, like, if you'd just taken this thing I'd offered you for free right now, you'd have $50 million. | ||
| So the presentation of it is, because of whatever fucking foolish ideas you had, you don't have that money now. | ||
| So it's partially the presentation of it. | ||
| I think most likely the issue is Alex's obsession with hard currency and the bimetallic nonsense. | ||
| And I probably think that there's also a good chance that it's because until late 2015, Ted Anderson was running Lightest Resources until he got his license taken away. | ||
| And so there's probably a good chance Ted just told him no. | ||
| Like, you can't have both. | ||
| You can't be both involved in a Bitcoin nonsense and my gold and silver nonsense. | ||
| Is there any way to regulate those pump and dump schemes? | ||
| Isn't that supposed to be a thing? | ||
| There is in the regular markets. | ||
| Right, but not in Bitcoin because it's the Wild West. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| So one of the things that's going to come up quite a bit here on this episode is Alex has a lot of thoughts about Charlottesville. | ||
| And one of the reasons is because he's being sued. | ||
| And he's been trying to pretend that that lawsuit has just magically gone away. | ||
| But it has not. | ||
| And recently he's gotten some bad news about it and that the lawsuit is proceeding. | ||
| And so in order to deal with that, he's going to spend a decent amount of time trying to reclaim the narrative. | ||
| And part of that is talking about how Millie Weaver was there. | ||
| She's a great reporter. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| She knows everything. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| Millie Weaver is going to join us as well. | ||
| She was in Charlottesville. | ||
| And she saw the left with the police collide, the reporters and the white nationalists and the Democrats posing as white nationalists, into each other to cause the conflagration that got the woman killed. | ||
| So that's sort of a broad strokes version of the narrative Alex will be selling. | ||
| We'll get into it as he gets into it later, but that's just sort of a little bit of a, here, that's coming up. | ||
| Is it smart to talk about a lawsuit on your radio show? | ||
| It is if you're talking about a fake version of it. | ||
| Is it smart to talk about two lawsuits on your radio show? | ||
| It's fine to talk about a fictional straw man version of the lawsuit. | ||
| If you're not actually talking... | ||
| It's very clear what his strategy is. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Obfuscate. | ||
| So, like we said, Alex was in D.C. He went to Bullhorn at the White House to get himself back on Twitter. | ||
| While he was there, stayed at the Trump Hotel, hung out, ran into Max Keiser. | ||
| Who would have guessed? | ||
| Had some drinks. | ||
| But the thing that's crazy is that while Alex was Bullhorning the White House, Trump was having a meeting with Jack from Twitter. | ||
| Now, in this clip, Alex says that he didn't know that that was going to happen, and it was just coincidence. | ||
| And I honestly don't know what I think. | ||
| By the way, that was total providence, synchronicity, serendipity, whatever the proper term is, that I land in D.C. on Tuesday. | ||
| I go directly from the airport. | ||
| To the White House. | ||
| It was a private meeting. | ||
| It wasn't announced until it was ongoing that the head of Twitter would be in there in a meeting being chastised for censorship. | ||
| And then sure enough, right while I'm bullhorning, there's a whole bunch of news out there that actually picked up what I was saying. | ||
| That's how the Fox host was able to repeat what I had just said. | ||
| And there's more audio of that. | ||
| The poor leftist. | ||
| Out there had their own bullhorns, two of them screaming at me trying to drown me out, but they don't know how to use them. | ||
| They don't know how to use them. | ||
| They always aim them. | ||
| Maybe I shouldn't tell them how to use a bullhorn properly. | ||
| They always aim them at the crowd as if, you know, they're little commies and they want to convince them instead of really yelling through one at full power and then bouncing it off buildings. | ||
| But that's what we were doing, and it was extremely successful, and I'm told that the president even remarked on it later. | ||
| Because despite the bulletproof clash, I was going right into the room where the meeting was actually taking place. | ||
| So that clip, the two things that I got are like, one, I legitimately don't know if I believe that he didn't know that Dorsey was going to have a meeting with Trump, or if he did. | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| Either is weird. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's gotta be one or the other, and both are weird. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Did anybody know that he was gonna meet with Jack before? | ||
| It wasn't on his official schedule, I can tell you that. | ||
| Okay, so how would he have known? | ||
| I mean, there was... | ||
| Did Trump even know? | ||
| I don't think Trump knew. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't think he did. | ||
| It's super weird, and I don't know where to land on it, so I'll just say, like, whatever. | ||
| But then, the rest of that clip really made me wish... | ||
| You ever get on YouTube and see those Gordon Ramsay or Daniel Negreanu commercials for Masterclass? | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Where it's like Gordon Ramsay teaches you to cook, Daniel Negreanu teaches you how to play poker. | ||
| Alex Jones teaches you how to yell through a bullhorn. | ||
| No, what you've got to do is you've got to yell through it so it bounces off buildings. | ||
| I was listening to that the whole time going like, wait, are you bragging about bullhorn usage? | ||
| Is that a thing? | ||
| I didn't know you could brag about that. | ||
| To be fair, it's one of the few things that I think he would be an internationally recognized expert on. | ||
| Yeah, that is true. | ||
| He's a bullhorn guy from the jump. | ||
| From way back. | ||
| Way back. | ||
| Tyranny Crushers 1 through 8 are all in the Hall of Fame. | ||
| Doubtedly. | ||
| All in the Hall of Fame. | ||
| So as much as I don't believe he knows how to read or analyze context or any of that stuff, I do believe that he could teach you a goddamn thing or two about how to bullhorn. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Even you, a championship. | ||
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Oh, no, no, no. | |
| No, 100%. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I recognize my limitations. | ||
| That's the measure of a wise man. | ||
| You would be foolishly yelling at him or something like that. | ||
| According to Marcus Aurelius. | ||
| You should be bouncing off buildings. | ||
| I should be bouncing off buildings. | ||
| That's an untapped market for yells. | ||
| You bet it is. | ||
| You bet it is. | ||
| So in this next clip, Alex tries to reinvigorate a narrative that he's... | ||
| You know, he's used a lot, and it's sort of gone by the wayside a little bit lately, but he wants to resurrect it. | ||
| And that is the Trump was spied on narrative. | ||
| Oh yeah, that was nice to hear. | ||
| Part of that's because Trump's bringing it up and being like, hey, everyone spied on me. | ||
| Why not? | ||
| And then William Barr is also being like, hey, Trump got spied on. | ||
| Because he's an ass. | ||
| And so Alex was hanging out with the One American News Network, which Jack Posobiec works for. | ||
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Oh, I thought you were being vague. | |
| There's actually a news network called One American News Network? | ||
| You bet there is. | ||
| Is that like a pizza place? | ||
| Some guys sell pizza? | ||
| Might as well be. | ||
| So he's on there, and he had an interview with Jack Posobiec, and they played some sort of prepackaged piece, and it had the evidence that Alex had forgotten about Trump being spied on. | ||
| And I was really excited to hear this, because I want to know what you're talking about, and then I got less excited. | ||
| So they are caught, and this is what I've obsessed on, is these key facts right now. | ||
| Here it is. | ||
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In the wake of the Mueller probe, details continue to emerge about how the Obama administration spied on the Trump campaign ahead of the 2016 elections. | |
| One America's Neil W. McCabe spoke to a former CIA analyst. | ||
| Larry Johnson was an analyst for both the CIA and the State Department. | ||
| He told One American News that now that the Mueller probe is closed, it is time for the American people to learn the truth about how the British government helped the Obama administration dodge the Fourth Amendment by spying on the 2016 Trump campaign for them. | ||
| Boo, it's Larry Johnson. | ||
| It's so funny to me that Alex constantly yells about how no one has a memory except him and how the globalists exploit that to trick you, because if Alex had any memory or thought his audience did, he would never try to have another swing at making Larry C. Johnson seem like a legitimate source on anything. | ||
| Oh yeah. | ||
| In case you forgot, Larry C. Johnson is probably most memorable for being the guy who tried to spread the hoax during the 2008 presidential campaign that there was a tape of Michelle Obama railing on Whitey while appearing on a panel with Louis Farrakhan at Jeremiah Wright's Trinity Church. | ||
| He pushed the story, although he admitted that he'd never seen the tape, just talked to mysterious unnamed people who had. | ||
| The Obama campaign said, quote, no such tape exists, pointing out that Michelle had never spoken at Trinity and had never used that word. | ||
| When the tape never materialized, Johnson blamed the McCain campaign, claiming that someone had told him that McCain's people requested they not release the tape, which is bullshit. | ||
| Interestingly, Larry C. Johnson was the main source for a ton of stories that were circulating about the quote-unquote whitey tape. | ||
| Rush Limbaugh used Larry as an excuse to cover the fake story sensationally. | ||
| But what I find more interesting is that Roger fucking Stone appeared on Geraldo's Fox News show to comment on it. | ||
| There's a buzz, which I believe now to be credible, that some indelible record exists of public remarks that Michelle Obama allegedly made, which are outrageous at best, but could be termed racist, including some reference to white people as whiteys, allegedly. | ||
| Roger was using Larry C. Johnson's information as the basis for his insinuations. | ||
| And then Larry's own blog, No Quarter, posted Roger's Fox News interview, presenting it as evidence that the story was legitimate. | ||
| Looking back through time, what you see is fascinating. | ||
| It's the same players playing the same games. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| I hate them. | ||
| I hate it. | ||
| I hate it. | ||
| I hate current America. | ||
| Do you realize? | ||
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It's very weird. | |
| Back then? | ||
| Back then. | ||
| Here's a big story. | ||
| Michelle Obama called somebody a honky. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| That was their big news. | ||
| That was a news cycle. | ||
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And it wasn't true. | |
| It was over and over in the news cycle. | ||
| Everybody's commenting on that. | ||
| The right wing was salivating over it. | ||
| There's a tape of Trump saying the N-word. | ||
| Who are you, Tom Arnold? | ||
| What are we doing? | ||
| Are you trusting Tom Arnold on this? | ||
| Because I would advise you to be careful about Tom Arnold. | ||
| There's just a little difference of degree. | ||
| Oh no, I was just... | ||
| If we are going hoax to hoax, which one is worse? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I'm mad if... | ||
| I'm actually angrier if Michelle Obama didn't say that Whitey is in drama. | ||
| I know, we've been over this. | ||
| Perhaps more seriously and more relevant to this episode of Alex's show, Larry C. Johnson was the source for the claim that the British intelligence group GCHQ was spying on the Trump campaign at Obama's request. | ||
| The main outlet to pick up the story and run with it was Andrew Napolitano on his show on Fox News. | ||
| This claim was so unfounded, so not backed up by actual information, and so inflammatory that it literally almost caused an international incident when Trump repeated the claims. | ||
| It legitimately threatened our international intelligence-sharing relationship with some of our longest-held and closest allies, formed in the aftermath of World War II in hopes of averting a World War III. | ||
| In the fallout, Fox News released statements condemning the coverage and took Napolitano off the air for an indefinite vacation, though he would return to air about a week later. | ||
| Here are some important things to remember about Larry C. Johnson He retired from intelligence work in 1993, 14 years before the first iPhone came out, 8 years before the release of the fucking Nintendo GameCube. | ||
| People born 5 years after he retired can legally buy booze now. | ||
| So, that should give you some sense of when he was in the game. | ||
| Two, people who knew him when he was in intelligence do not think highly of him. | ||
| There are very frequent criticisms of him that he made a habit of downplaying the threat of terrorism in the pre-9-11 days. | ||
| Emmy Award-winning investigative journalist Peter Lance, who worked with Larry, had this to say of him. | ||
| Quote, Larry, to me, is one of the great empty suits. | ||
| He's emblematic of what goes wrong in the agency, emblematic of the attitude that let 9-11 happen. | ||
| And it's not like there isn't evidence to back this up. | ||
| Allow me to read to you from a New York Times op-ed piece that Larry C. Johnson wrote on July 10th. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| is before 9-11. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| Quote, Judging from news reports and the portrayal of villains in our popular entertainment, Americans are bedeviled by fantasies about terrorism. | ||
| They seem to believe that terrorism is the greatest threat to the United States and that it is becoming more widespread and lethal. | ||
| They are likely to think that the United States is the most popular target of terrorists. | ||
| And they almost certainly have the impression that extremist Islamic groups cause most terrorism. | ||
| None of these beliefs are based in fact. | ||
| Whoops. | ||
| You're not... | ||
| Okay, you know what? | ||
| It's easy to cherry-pick that, but you didn't read the op-ed in the New York Times he wrote 63 days after 9-11, where he said, whoops, my bad, guys. | ||
| I missed the ball on this one. | ||
| I'm actually stupid. | ||
| I think there's some salient points that he's making in terms of not allowing yourself to be caught up in sensationalism, but he's not making those points. | ||
| No, I know. | ||
| Hidden within that is the reality that he's being stupid about it, but it has that veneer of like... | ||
| No, you're right. | ||
| We shouldn't be so afraid that we're paralyzed in certain senses. | ||
| There's a certain way of putting that, but also, you're... | ||
| You fucked up. | ||
| You know, like the quote, they seem to believe that terrorism is the greatest threat to the United States. | ||
| I mean, you could say that, yeah, maybe it isn't the biggest threat, but 63 days after this 9-11 happened. | ||
| Yeah, that's not great. | ||
| So posting an op-ed where you're trying to downplay the threat of terrorism a couple months before 9-11 is a bad look. | ||
| It's a real bad look. | ||
| If you are presenting yourself as a good intelligence analyst. | ||
| It's a real bad look. | ||
| Three. | ||
| Larry C. Johnson is a member of the Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity, along with William Binney. | ||
| You'll likely be unsurprised to learn that he's a member of the faction of the organization who released the very sloppy memo that asserted to prove that the breach of the DNC couldn't have been a hack, which was used as the cornerstone of the Seth Rich conspiracy theories. | ||
| So Larry C. Johnson had his fucking fingers on that one, too. | ||
| How did the stupid become so successful? | ||
| I mean, just lying. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Shouldn't there be... | ||
| You need the pretense and the veneer of some sort of credibility. | ||
| So working in intelligence for a couple years back in 93, if you just have that, then you can just state with confidence all sorts of crazy bullshit. | ||
| And people are just like, oh yeah! | ||
| As long as it aligns with what other people need somebody to say crazily, then yeah. | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| That's a good racket. | ||
| It is. | ||
| It's so easy. | ||
| All this is to say that Larry C. Johnson is a fucking idiot with a really long track record of being completely wrong about everything. | ||
| The last time he was even close to doing intelligence work, the Unabomber was in the middle of his bombing campaign, Tonya Harding was a year away from clubbing Nancy Kerrigan, and Kurt Cobain, Tupac, and Biggie were all still alive. | ||
| It's a long time ago. | ||
| I know, but the reference point out of Blue is Tonya Harding? | ||
| Yeah, it was a long time ago. | ||
| I know, but it's just okay. | ||
| There's literally no reason to ever trust something he's reported without evidence. | ||
| If he provides evidence of something, then we could talk. | ||
| But just his things that he's claiming from secret sources and stuff like that, you cannot... | ||
| Trust anything he says. | ||
| And you can see the danger that can come from it. | ||
| His bullshit being repeated by Napolitano found its way to Trump's ear. | ||
| And because it satisfied Trump's ego, he believed it and repeated it, which had the potential to realign geopolitical alliances. | ||
| Ultimately, Larry's shit is weak, and it's definitely fun to laugh at him. | ||
| But in the age we now live in, someone like him could literally start a world war. | ||
| So it's important to look at him as not just a joke. | ||
| These are very serious things that are being played around with. | ||
| And Alex is, like, reigniting this story based on Larry C. Johnson being used as a source by One American News. | ||
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Right. | |
| That's very bad. | ||
| This is stuff we've already dealt with, you know, the last few years. | ||
| It's not great to see how they just keep throwing the same bullshit. | ||
| That was actually one of the more comforting things that the Mueller report gave us. | ||
| Is the realization that, just like that, Trump just tweeting out some obviously bullshit information theoretically could have ruined a relationship we have with another country, right? | ||
| But as you see over and over and over again in the Mueller report, so many times Trump does something that, if you took it literally, would be like the end of the world as we know it. | ||
| And everybody around him is just like... | ||
| We're not doing that one. | ||
| That one's just not going to happen. | ||
| It seems like many other people around the world may also have adopted that. | ||
| So many heads of state you know are like, we're not going to listen to that guy. | ||
| It's really bad. | ||
| But at least everybody in the world has this sense of like... | ||
| Okay, we know what he's doing. | ||
| We know what he's trying to do, and let's all just not let everybody die? | ||
| It makes it a lot funnier when Alex complains about Obama deteriorating our soft power. | ||
| Yeah, no kidding. | ||
| Makes it a real comedy. | ||
| The rest of the world doesn't believe what the president says. | ||
| That's usually not a good sign. | ||
| Yeah, not good. | ||
| Alex is bringing back up this Trump-was-spied-on narrative, and his evidence there is the One American News Network clip that was played that interviewed Larry C. Johnson. | ||
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Right. | |
| So bad. | ||
| Noted intelligence official Larry C. Johnson. | ||
| From, again, back when Kurt Cobain was alive. | ||
| Grunge was cool. | ||
| Grunge analyst. | ||
| Right. | ||
| The World Trade Center first bombing had just happened. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| What else do we got? | ||
| The Dream Team had just won the gold medal. | ||
| Wasn't that 92? | ||
| I think it was. | ||
| So anyway, that's one piece of evidence Alex has. | ||
| This Larry C. Johnson stuff. | ||
| But thankfully, if that was it, we could just be like... | ||
| But thankfully, Alex has other information and he gets into it in this next clip. | ||
| We're going to play that Samantha Powers clip one more time. | ||
| There she is, heading up national security. | ||
| Point of order, he never plays a Samantha Powers clip. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| For Obama, and she's openly on TV admitting that they were illegally surveilling the president, and then later saying that they didn't do that, they can't even cover their butts anymore. | ||
| They're unable to do it. | ||
| And then she sends herself an email once Trump actually gets in. | ||
| She can't believe they were unable to stop him. | ||
| Saying, oh, we better follow all the laws on surveillance when she'd been quarterbacking it along with others the whole time. | ||
| And that's what our sources told us at the time. | ||
| It's all turned out to be true. | ||
| Infowars.com, two years from now, news today. | ||
| And that's why the globalists want us to shut off the air. | ||
| That's why they lie about us. | ||
| That's why they demonize us. | ||
| That's why they sue us. | ||
| That's why they do all this, because they understand that we will first break the news and make it safe for others to cover it. | ||
| Oh boy. | ||
| That's an interesting way to phrase normalizing awful content. | ||
| That's not good. | ||
| No. | ||
| So I don't really care about any of that stuff because if he's not going to come with it, I'm not either. | ||
| I really only want that to sit here as the globalist hate Alex because he's so far ahead of everybody and he's right about everything. | ||
| I told you that he doesn't play that Samantha Powers clip. | ||
| And I stand by that assertion. | ||
| Remember that as this plays. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| This is going to be really, really big and really, really important. | ||
| But here is powers on CNN or MSNBC one more time for you, admitting it all. | ||
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I had a fear that somehow that information would disappear with the senior people who left. | |
| So it would be hidden away in the bureaucracy. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| That the Trump folks, if they found out how we knew what we knew about their, the staff, the Trump staffs dealing with Russians, that they would try to compromise We know that specifically from... | ||
| And again, to be clear... | ||
| That's Evelyn Farkas talking about Samantha Powers. | ||
| Yeah, there it is. | ||
| Specifically, we have a Samantha Powers statement coming up as well. | ||
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Whoops. | |
| It took me like five seconds, and I was like... | ||
| This isn't her. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| But Alex tries to save it at the end and be like, that is about her. | ||
| Evelyn Farkas was talking about her. | ||
| It wasn't her. | ||
| This clip, not surprisingly, is a big old zero. | ||
| And it's something that conspiracy sites have tried to push periodically since early 2017. | ||
| And each time it fails to get any traction because it's kind of bullshit. | ||
| This is a clip of Evelyn Farkas, Obama's former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Russia and Ukraine, in an interview on MSNBC. | ||
| Ms. Farkas is not discussing spying on Trump and his campaign and the need to preserve that intelligence. | ||
| She's very specifically talking about how there were a lot of people at the time who were concerned that intelligence that had been gathered about Russia and their adventures into election meddling might end up missing once Trump's people got into office. | ||
| And that is what needed to be specifically preserved. | ||
| This was specifically stated to be based on the fact that, quote, This would compromise literally all of the country's intelligence capability about Russia and related issues. | ||
| Her interview on MSNBC was specifically to discuss a story in the New York Times that had come out a few days prior with the headline, quote, Obama officials race to preserve Russian trail. | ||
| So it's not like this wasn't already a larger conversation that was being had in the media. | ||
| Nothing Farkas is saying is even close to a bombshell, the way Alex is trying to present this stuff. | ||
| The New York Times article this interview is about specifically says, So Alex saying the opposite of that seems untethered to any actual real reporting to the sources that he's pointing towards. | ||
| ... | ||
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| this interview being an accidental admission of a grand conspiracy, and that is that Evelyn Farkas resigned from her deputy assistant secretary position in September 2015, at least four months before the Republican National Convention and the naming of Trump as the official candidate. | ||
| She wasn't even in any official capacity during the 2016 general election. | ||
| She's just expressing something that she, as someone who had experience in the department vis-a-vis Russia and Ukraine, was saying, okay, be careful, guys. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's it. | ||
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Gotcha. | |
| There's nothing here. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So he's making nothing sound like something, and then insisting that he's playing a clip of Samantha Powers, and then later on... | ||
| Accidentally admitting. | ||
| Oh, I mean, it was Evelyn Farkas. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| They're all accidentally admitting that they did all the things that I knew that they did, and I said that they did before in Tomorrow's News Today, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, buy my shit, 100% off knockout. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| Isn't it... | ||
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I don't... | |
| So, here's the thing about the whole spying issue for me. | ||
| If our intelligence analysts were keeping an eye on Russia's election meddling, then you claim that they were spying on you. | ||
| Right. | ||
| They were watching over here when you came into the picture, not we were watching you and then Russia showed up. | ||
| It's a little bit like, if you got caught up in the spying, they didn't start with you. | ||
| If you say that you got spied on, you're basically admitting that we were doing that. | ||
| Do you see what I'm saying? | ||
| Yeah, to an extent. | ||
| You're insinuating that they started looking at you, when in reality you're just hiding the fact that you came into the picture. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You could have accidentally or intentionally come into the circle of the people that were being looked at and were being surveilled. | ||
| Yeah, that's my understanding of everything. | ||
| And from everything that Evelyn Farkas is saying, that traces with that, too. | ||
| That tracks entirely. | ||
| Anyway, in this next clip, Alex talks about being in D.C., and he's got some insider information, Jordan. | ||
| He has sources. | ||
| Okay. | ||
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Now... | |
| Are they Max Keiser? | ||
| One of them might be. | ||
| I don't fucking know. | ||
| He's one of the people that we can definitively say Alex talked to in D.C. Okay. | ||
| This is crazy to me, and this is something that Alex keeps doing throughout these two episodes, the 25th and 26th. | ||
| Well, here's the good news. | ||
| Two of these people I talked to said, go ahead, talk about it on record. | ||
| And then a third one said, well, you can go ahead, but then said, eh, maybe not. | ||
| Just don't say my name. | ||
| So I'm not going to say anybody's name. | ||
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What? | |
| Did he just retell the... | ||
| Goldilocks and the Three Bears story? | ||
| One of them said it's on the record. | ||
| Right. | ||
| One of them said it's on the record, but don't use my name. | ||
| And the other one said it's off the record. | ||
| So it's all off the record. | ||
| So it's all off the record. | ||
| I had two people who said, we don't give a fuck. | ||
| Say whatever you want. | ||
| Put our names on. | ||
| Blast. | ||
| I'm not going to do it. | ||
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What? | |
| That's suspicious. | ||
| Even though when he does have a real intelligence source, he's always just like, all right, well, it was Donald Trump Jr. | ||
| I wasn't supposed to say that. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I mean, that's really suspicious. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The fact that I talked to three people, two said I could say their names. | ||
| So I'm not saying anything. | ||
| I'm not going to say shit. | ||
| I'm no snitch. | ||
| What? | ||
| Alex, get it together. | ||
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What are you doing? | |
| So, in this next clip... | ||
| He didn't need to say any of that. | ||
| He just said, I have three sources. | ||
| In the next clip, we're about to hear here, he kind of implies who they are. | ||
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Of course he does. | |
| And I thought about trying to figure out who he was trying to suggest, but I just was like, I don't give a shit. | ||
| None of this is real. | ||
| I talked to three different people. | ||
| One person is a close friend of the president and talks to him routinely. | ||
| I'll leave it at that. | ||
| Others write briefings for him. | ||
| So I immediately thought... | ||
| All three are Tom Arnold. | ||
| Well, I thought Roger Stone or Jerome Corsi, when I heard the first one, is a friend of Trump's. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And that made me think, like, well, Corsi just sued Alex, so that's probably not. | ||
| And then Roger, I don't know where he is in the game anymore. | ||
| So I don't know. | ||
| It doesn't... | ||
| It could be Max Keiser, quite frankly. | ||
| I talked to a friend of Trump's. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That could be anybody. | ||
| That's a jack-off motion. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| And then someone who writes briefs for Trump... | ||
| I think he's trying to imply it's Stephen Miller. | ||
| No, you misheard him. | ||
| Somebody who makes briefs for Trump. | ||
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Oh, pants. | |
| It's his tailor. | ||
| Underpants. | ||
| Yeah, it's his tailor. | ||
| I think he's trying to imply that it's Stephen Miller, based on a clip that he plays later. | ||
| But I don't think Stephen Miller talked to Alex. | ||
| I don't think Stephen Miller... | ||
| Write briefings for him. | ||
| No. | ||
| And advise him specifically on the... | ||
| Memo that he had dealing with, and I was authorized to say this, because they don't care if the president knows who it is, because the president doesn't even want this to be a secret. | ||
| The memo that President Trump had when he was, the briefing he got before he interviewed Jack Dorsey of Twitter. | ||
| And the other person was one of the falsely accused Russiagate individuals who was not involved, but had worked in Eastern Europe for the CIA. | ||
| And the Clintons knew that. | ||
| He'd worked for them. | ||
| And he was brought back in. | ||
| He's been on the show before. | ||
| And he met with the president on Tuesday in the Oval Office. | ||
| And the president said, I'm going after him. | ||
| Damn the torpedoes. | ||
| If you've seen what Hillary Clinton's saying, I'm sick of these crooks. | ||
| Trump's got all the intel now. | ||
| He actually knows how they've sold us out. | ||
| And he's just got, like, total proof that they're globalist criminals that hate the country. | ||
| And I'm giving some specifics here for the deep state that's corrupt to realize how defeated you are. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know if those are specifics, Alex. | ||
| I think those are vagaries. | ||
| Is Alex talking to himself now, trying to build himself up? | ||
| It does feel that way. | ||
| It sounds like he's giving himself a pep talk. | ||
| He's like, I know all this information. | ||
| And three people confirmed it. | ||
| And so I'm telling me over and over and over again that this lie is true. | ||
| And did you get the sense of what the big news is that these three people told him? | ||
| It's that Trump is going to lock her up. | ||
| He's going to lock her up. | ||
| I mean, election season is heating up. | ||
| Of course you've got to bring this narrative back. | ||
| It worked so well last time. | ||
| Wasn't that his quote? | ||
| Like Trump's quote at one of those rallies? | ||
| Lock her up. | ||
| It worked real well. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Do you think he's going to try again? | ||
| Do you think they're going to try again? | ||
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No! | |
| I want to see them try the locker up again. | ||
| No, I mean, they're going to try it in terms of the chant and the, like, saying we're going to do something. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| But I don't think there's any chance that they go that route. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| I might say that, you know, that would be fun. | ||
| To quote Alex, if they do, Katie bar the door. | ||
| Because that's trouble. | ||
| That's when we know that, like, uh-oh. | ||
| We have crossed a Rubicon of this is much worse than it was. | ||
| I just can't help but get the thought out of my mind how absurd and laughable it would be if one of Trump's major re-election platforms was, we're finally going to put Hillary in prison. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| I think he'll do that trying to get a third term, too. | ||
| Quite frankly. | ||
| Third, fourth, fifth? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Lock her up. | ||
| It's an evergreen thing. | ||
| It is. | ||
| It is. | ||
| Some people are always going to want to put Hillary in jail. | ||
| That's just a true thing. | ||
| And these three people have told Alex that we're going to do it. | ||
| It's going to be great. | ||
| Going to do it. | ||
| Trump is going to make his move. | ||
| Now again, Alex has to reiterate. | ||
| He has permission to say who these people are, but he's not going to. | ||
| And then his language gets pretty interesting. | ||
| I was told by two of the three, I can go ahead and tell you all this. | ||
| But I decided not to, just to leave it out of it. | ||
| But just to give the little breadcrumbs. | ||
| Breadcrumbs is a very specific QAnon language. | ||
| The idea of the little clues that Q leaves. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Those are breadcrumbs. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| So, Alex, using that terminology, I don't think is a coincidence. | ||
| And the lock-em-up... | ||
| Oh, shit, because that's also a huge part of the QAnon, is that he's going to lock up all kinds of people and shit like that, right? | ||
| Yeah, I mean, that is a huge part of QAnon, but that's also a lot of... | ||
| Yeah, everybody's kind of fine with that. | ||
| Pretty much anyone who's close to supporting Trump is also kind of into the idea of jailing political enemies. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| Yeah, at least mostly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So all these people are saying that Trump is about to lock people up, and deep state's going down, and Alex is... | ||
| He's leaving breadcrumbs of clues about who these people are. | ||
| One of them's Trump's friend. | ||
| Someone was caught up in the Russia investigation unfairly. | ||
| That could be fucking anybody, according to Alex. | ||
| So here's the real thing, though. | ||
| Alex even knows that this isn't going to happen. | ||
| And so he couches his reporting on it very carefully. | ||
| And as listeners, you already know all these facts. | ||
| You already know this as researchers. | ||
| But now it's coming to a head, and I'm telling you. | ||
| Trump changes his mind sometimes, but right now, he fully intends to damn the torpedoes, go straight at them, and the fact that Hillary shot her mouth off and other things just means that he's probably not going to turn back now. | ||
| So that means we need to pray for the president, and we need to also understand they're going to really try to assassinate him now, or they're going to try some type of big false flag. | ||
| I mean, they're not going to take this lying down. | ||
| You hear in there, I mean, there's the sensational end to his comments, but the big point is him being like, now the president changes his mind a lot, so this might not happen, but right now he intends to. | ||
| Yeah, I heard that just being like, what? | ||
| Fuck off. | ||
| Yeah, so when it doesn't happen, after he uses this as a rallying cry to get the dum-dums on board for this election cycle, then once it doesn't happen, Alex will be like, ah, he changes his mind, you know, at the time we were right. | ||
| Of course! | ||
| It never ceases to amaze me whenever I stop and actually comprehend what's going on right now. | ||
| One political party is centered around a lunatic who... | ||
| Legitimately wants to lock up his political opponents and put them in jail. | ||
| Or, possibly even scarier, wants to create a grassroots movement based on the perception that he wants to lock up his political enemies. | ||
| It's almost scarier if it's fake. | ||
| The other party, knowing full well that that very leader has committed crimes that are worthy of jail time, is... | ||
| Constantly saying, well, we shouldn't even get rid of him as president for political reasons. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| Isn't that weird? | ||
| I know. | ||
| A lot of times... | ||
| Isn't that hard? | ||
| It's too glaring. | ||
| I try and look away from it. | ||
| It's so bright. | ||
| And it also makes you really feel despondent. | ||
| And that's an easy feeling to have. | ||
| Especially as we enter now. | ||
| I think I warned you earlier, maybe even before the episode, that things are going to be bad, and here's where it starts getting real bad. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| And actually, as bad as this next clip is, there's a part of me that actually is glad that Alex is this overt, because it's so overt. | ||
| Are we getting into Civil War territory? | ||
| No, not really. | ||
| That's good, but maybe worse. | ||
| Okay, well, that's bad. | ||
| Because he's so overt, it leaves very little room for him to be able to defend himself. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And this next clip here from the 25th is where it's just like, this is inexcusable. | ||
| You're damn right I'm Islamophobic. | ||
| Muslims have invaded the whole world. | ||
| They always hit 10% and start bombing. | ||
| It's their orders from Muhammad. | ||
| What? | ||
| Burning, bombings, stabbing, raping, kidnapping, when they hit the magic number, 10%. | ||
| And Sri Lanka is now, according to the latest census a year ago, at 9.6%. | ||
| And Muslims breed faster than anybody else on Earth. | ||
| Their religion does. | ||
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| Average of over five kids. | ||
| So you know the new census, when it comes out, will show about 10.5%. | ||
| And right when they pass the 10%, bombings ensue. | ||
| And then they push. | ||
| Out of the enclaves. | ||
| They always target a smaller minority than them. | ||
| They bomb that group. | ||
| The Christians are only 7%. | ||
| So they'll drive them out of the country, out of their neighborhoods, and then they'll move on to the next group. | ||
| So that's how the operation works. | ||
| It's a program. | ||
| So, like I said, pretty overt. | ||
| That clip... | ||
| We just heard there, Jordan, that is a rationalization for ethnic cleansing, pure and simple. | ||
| Alex isn't talking about radical terrorists who happen to be Muslims. | ||
| Alex is talking about demographic rates as a whole. | ||
| He's talking about every single Muslim in every country as being part of a growing problem. | ||
| Yeah, even if they are not terrorists or affiliated with the terrorist groups, simply by virtue of existing within that block, they are part of the 10%. | ||
| Consider the implications of what he's saying. | ||
| He's saying that once Muslims make up 10% of a country's population, they're commanded by Muhammad to start bombing people. | ||
| If you believe that, then the solution to the problem is to keep Muslim populations below 10% of any geographical region. | ||
| But how are you going to do that? | ||
| I guess one option would be forced deportations to displace people and make sure there's never enough of them somewhere to scare you. | ||
| Of course, the U.S. did this to approximately 1.3 million Mexican-Americans in 1954 with the very racially named Operation Wetback. | ||
| The consequences of that action have been unfathomable, with American citizens of Mexican heritage being forcefully displaced into unfamiliar parts of Mexico where they knew no one. | ||
| Generational wealth for countless families was completely disrupted, as were the families themselves. | ||
| This is a deep stain in our country's history and the 65 years since have shown that mass deportation does not work and the effect it has on people and communities is equivalent to terror. | ||
| If history shows us that these forced deportations based on religion or ethnicity kind of amount to ethnic cleansing, crimes against humanity, then you'd have to make sure that the Muslim population of an area never reaches 10%, so you never have to deal with, you know, getting it down below. | ||
| But legitimately, how would you ever go about doing that without some kind of eugenics? | ||
| You'd need to enact ethnic or religiously based breeding limitations, which seems like something Alex would be super against given that he spent most of his career yelling about the horrors of China's one-child policy. | ||
| The system would necessarily imply the need to set up a hierarchical system where U.S. citizens who are Muslims had human rights only so far as the non-Muslim government officials allowed them to. | ||
| What Alex would be advocating for is a totalitarian nightmare that far exceeds any of his dumbass FEMA camp fantasies and would require a ridiculously powerful centralized government in order to be put in place. | ||
| Ultimately, if the problem you think exists in the world is that there's too many Muslims and once there's a certain number of them, they kill everyone, then you are soft-pitching genocide. | ||
| This 10% number he's rattling on about is arbitrary. | ||
| It's just the focus of his bigotry. | ||
| But if you as a listener accept the premise that 10% is this magic number where trouble starts, how easy is it going to be for Alex to turn around and say, whoops, I had it wrong, that number's actually 7%? | ||
| Once you accept the logic of any number, that number can change to suit a propagandist's whim. | ||
| And no percentage is ever going to be low enough for someone like Alex to say, This is really fucked up. | ||
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I can't say enough. | |
| This is the introductory step towards rhetoric justifying and advocating for ethnic cleansing. | ||
| This is the sort of language that really, really gets people hurt. | ||
| Or has the potential to. | ||
| We're well past potential. | ||
| So, when we hear Alex say things like that, one of the things, I mean, it's just awful. | ||
| Obviously, awful. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Awful. | ||
| And it should make it kind of less surprising that he follows it up by saying things like this. | ||
| But remember what I said over and over again. | ||
| When they were having calls to prayer, not just here, but all over the world after the tragic New Zealand attack that killed 49 people. | ||
| And we were hearing that Christianity and white people are inherently evil and the greatest terrorists. | ||
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He did it, live-streamed part of it, which we're obviously not showing because of who these people were. | |
| He did it because of the God they worshipped and because of the threat he seemed to think they posed to the white race. | ||
| Islam is peaceful, and I'm like, thousands of churches blown up a year. | ||
| Hundreds blown up a year in the Middle East. | ||
| Firebombed 800-plus, bombed or burned down in France, and there's almost no coverage of it. | ||
| Alex is basically defending and justifying the motivations of the Christchurch shooter. | ||
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Yep. | |
| I think what I would like, because we know with Alex, we know what his goal is. | ||
| We know what the goal is basically to make a lot of money. | ||
| That's a big part of it, yeah. | ||
| And be, just in general, a piece of shit along the way. | ||
| But for his listeners and that kind of thing, what are their goals? | ||
| What do they think that they're working towards? | ||
| What do they think that they're achieving? | ||
| And if they do know what that is, are they trying to actually do that, or are they just trying to be cruel? | ||
| And awful. | ||
| I think it's what you see over and over again with all of these sorts of situations where the people on the ground probably just want to live a good life. | ||
| They want to live a stable life where their values are accepted and validated. | ||
| They can live in a community where they feel comfortable. | ||
| They can live reasonably healthy lives and be employed in some capacity that they feel gratified by. | ||
| But there are people like Alex, and there are people, you know, propagandists of all variety that create scapegoats. | ||
| And it's a very compelling and very powerful thing to exploit in somebody. | ||
| And so people like Alex, people like, I mean, historically there have been hundreds of him. | ||
| And what they do is they create this perception that X, Y, or Z group is the reason why you can't enjoy your life the way that you feel like you should, whether or not there's any truth to it. | ||
| There's obviously... | ||
| Very real reasons why people aren't able to live as comfortably and happily as they would like, but distracting from that by scapegoating some population is way easier. | ||
| So you get people to jump on board with your scapegoat and demonizing that scapegoat as if, if we can just deal with that issue, we'll have what we want. | ||
| We will have that thing that we want. | ||
| So I think that's the motivation of a lot of people who buy into this stuff. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Whether or not they're conscious of it or not. | ||
| It very quickly transmutes into outright hate. | ||
| It changes fast, I think. | ||
| Yeah, and I was thinking about this along the way. | ||
| I was thinking about the concept of the brain virus that we've talked about over and over and over again. | ||
| How this is an actual disease. | ||
| Like you were saying, most of these people really just want... | ||
| Normal, good life. | ||
| I'd say most people. | ||
| There's outliers who are just outright violent and psychos. | ||
| Well, yeah, they're on H&M's poll message board. | ||
| And in the woods. | ||
| There's some in the woods and there's some in boardrooms. | ||
| Well, yeah, absolutely true. | ||
| It's not unique to one place. | ||
| But I take your point. | ||
| It's fair. | ||
| How do we treat regular... | ||
| Like, trying to inoculate people. | ||
| Because we don't know what the cure is. | ||
| But maybe we could try and inoculate people in their youth. | ||
| But we can't even get people to take vaccines for actual diseases. | ||
| How could we ever convince enough people to train them on finding and discovering propaganda? | ||
| You know? | ||
| Like, it's such a huge thing. | ||
| So, in this next clip, still on the 25th here, Alex gets into, like, he teased a little bit earlier talking about Charlottesville and how everyone was actors and stuff like that, whatever. | ||
| All the Nazis were fake. | ||
| They're all globalists. | ||
| In this next clip, I think what he's doing is, I think you could fairly call it wholesale revision. | ||
| Joe Biden launches his campaign on the lie that Trump said neo-Nazis were very fine people. | ||
| You know, I... | ||
| I wondered why, when Charlottesville happened almost two years ago now, right after Trump got into office, I got sued. | ||
| And the suit against myself, Leanne McAdoo, Lee Tranahan, former congressman and others, said that we said that the Democrats killed the woman who had a heart attack or got bumped by a car. | ||
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| We said that the police stood down, herded the white supremacist and journalist and just bystanders. | ||
| It's called kettling. | ||
| Into Antifa and allow them to attack, creating a hysterical melee. | ||
| So the first thing I want to say is that, like, Alex complains a ton about Joe Biden announcing and evoking Charlottesville. | ||
| And we're not going to listen to any of that because fair enough. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm not going to sit here and be like, Joe Biden is great. | ||
| Fuck off. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Fuck him. | ||
| So, Alex also, though, I think probably more importantly for our purposes, he's completely misrepresenting what he's being sued for about Charlottesville and the white supremacist rally that occurred there. | ||
| Alex isn't being sued by George Soros or the deep state or some shadowy globalist conspiracy, and he's not being sued for saying that the Democrats killed anyone. | ||
| He's being sued by one person whose name he knows better than to ever say on air again, because that person has been very consistent and public about how he's never going to settle this lawsuit. | ||
| That person is Brennan Gilmore, who's suing Alex for defaming him and causing harassment, including allegedly his own doxing, as well as a quote unknown chemical being mailed to his parents' house. | ||
| In late March 2019... | ||
| About a month ago, U.S. District Judge Norman Moon ruled that Alex's publications, as well as those of a number of other defendants, were the cause of Brendan Gilmore's alleged injuries, and as such, a First Amendment defense is inappropriate, which takes away one of Alex's only legs that he ever feels safe standing on. | ||
| Put simply, this lawsuit could be... | ||
| Big trouble for Alex. | ||
| If the judge has already made clear that First Amendment complaints aren't relevant and cannot be introduced. | ||
| Yeah, then he's fucked. | ||
| Well, until appeal, perhaps. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Oh, that's a good point. | ||
| But he doesn't really have much of ground for defense. | ||
| Right. | ||
| In terms of this. | ||
| And he would have to find an appeals court that would take up the case because a reasonable appeals court would almost certainly be like, no, you're done fucked up. | ||
| Well, and one of Alex's complaints is that, like, I didn't mail him these things and stuff like that. | ||
| I just realized. | ||
| And the court already has said that what precipitated that harassment is things that you and these other co-defendants published. | ||
| So that argument doesn't work either. | ||
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| So. | ||
| I just remembered. | ||
| It sounds so banal coming out of my mouth because it's something that we've just normalized, but there are appeals courts that are completely different than other appeals courts. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Depends on the judges. | ||
| Yeah, doesn't that mean the law doesn't really mean anything? | ||
| But that's how the judicial system works. | ||
| There's stuff that's open to interpretation and then there's established law. | ||
| There's precedents and things like that. | ||
| I mean, the difference in ideology from appeals court to appeals court where somebody will say, like, this is a very regular thing. | ||
| It's like, well, we're going to go to the 7th Court of Appeals because it's going to give us a ruling that is like this. | ||
| As opposed to the 9th Court of Appeals, which we know is going to give us a different ruling. | ||
| Doesn't that seem insane? | ||
| You don't get really to choose, though, because they're over different districts in the United States. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's not like if you appeal your court, you're like, I'm going to the third. | ||
| Well, that's what major corporations do, though, is that they find different ways to move it to the court that's going to be most. | ||
| Favorable to them. | ||
| I know that there are differences, but I think it's probably slightly less pronounced than we think. | ||
| That's probably true. | ||
| I think that the idea that the Ninth Circuit is some sort of a liberal bugaboo to conservative politics is probably a conservative talking point. | ||
| Well, there are other ones that are bugaboos to the liberal. | ||
| Sure, and I bet the scale of it is... | ||
| Much less than we think. | ||
| That's probably true. | ||
| I think that most of it probably errs towards the law. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I'm going to put heavy scare quotes around that. | ||
| So, Jordan, here's the thing. | ||
| On the day of the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, Infowars had a very serious problem on their hands. | ||
| The whole thing was terrible optics. | ||
| Alex could and would be totally fine defending people who were protesting to protect the statue of Robert E. Lee. | ||
| That's old hat for him. | ||
| But what's a little bit more of a difficult move to pull off is defending a large group of white dudes with tiki torches marching around yelling, Jews will not replace us, and blood and soil. | ||
| One of the things that's important to remember about this rally is spelled out in its name. | ||
| The rally was ostensibly about protecting this statue and preserving history, but it's probably worth mentioning that in May 2017, Richard Spencer led a rally for the same purpose there. | ||
| In July 2017, the KKK held a rally against the statue's removal there. | ||
| And in August 2017, the Unite the Right rally was held at the same place for the same alleged purpose, involving both members of the... | ||
| Klan and Richard Spencer as participants. | ||
| It's not hard to see what was being united there. | ||
| This confluence of things was a major problem for Alex. | ||
| His brand doesn't work so well when he's associating himself with literal Nazis and white supremacists, as it kind of makes his the left just calls everyone they disagree with Nazis argument fall apart. | ||
| If he's actually just hanging out and being like, look at those Nazis, they're great. | ||
| But, at the same time, he can't not have a comment about this giant culture war battle that's unfolding in front of him, particularly one where he feels the Confederacy is possibly under attack. | ||
| As we know, his family literally fought for the Confederacy. | ||
| If he comes down squarely on the side of the dudes with tiki torches and Nazi regalia, he knows that's kind of a dead end for him from a narrative perspective, particularly after the protests turn violent. | ||
| Conversely, there's no way in hell he's going to land on the side of the anti-fascist counter-demonstrators, and there's similarly no chance that his audience is going to let him sit this one out and say, I don't know what's going on here. | ||
| Literally, the only path available to him was to deny that the bad guys at Charlottesville were actually bad guys. | ||
| They were, in fact, agents of the globalists pretending to be Nazis and white supremacists. | ||
| At 1.42 p.m., James Fields Jr., a legit Nazi from way back, who was photographed at the rally proudly sporting a Vanguard America shield, rammed his car into a group of counter-demonstrators, injuring 19 people and killing Heather Heyer. | ||
| The evidence is overwhelming that this was an intentional attack. | ||
| And all the conspiracy theories trying to explain away his actions and paint him as some kind of a victim in the whole thing have been thoroughly debunked. | ||
| And he has been sentenced to life in prison. | ||
| So, as of at least 1.43pm, you had a rally that Alex can neither support nor condemn that has led to a murder. | ||
| The stakes have been raised, and in order for him to maintain his position in the marketplace of propaganda, he needs to find an angle to make this whole thing fake, and he needs to find that fast. | ||
| What he landed on is trying to discredit the person who shot the footage of Fields' car attack, who was Brennan Gilmore. | ||
| Alex's crack team of researchers, the same ones that just generally report as fact whatever bullshit they find on 4chan, dug up the fact that Gilmore had previously worked at the State Department in the U.S. Foreign Service. | ||
| This was all it took to create the narrative that this whole thing was a deep state operation to make the Patriots look bad. | ||
| Adding to the conspiracy was the fact that Gilmore worked on Tom Perriello's campaign. | ||
| Perriello was an insider, you see, and the fact that Gilmore worked for him was proof that something was up. | ||
| Of course, Perriello hadn't held an elected position since 2011 when he ended a two-year run in the House of Representatives, and he lost the 2017 Democratic primary. | ||
| Alex used these pieces of evidence to spin the conspiracy that Brennan Gilmore was evidence that the State Department was active in making the events of Charlottesville happen. | ||
| The accusations are wide-ranging, but it all seems to come back to Alex and his associates alleging that Gilmore was a Soros operative and had something to do with the chaos at the rally. | ||
| Obviously, these accusations aren't true, so Gilmore is suing Alex, and it looks like he has a pretty decent shot of the case working out. | ||
| I base that assessment on the fact that Alex and his lawyers have had to resort to really weak defenses. | ||
| Like, recently they tried to claim that Gilmore is a public figure. | ||
| So in order to prove defamation, Gilmore's lawyers would need to establish malicious intent. | ||
| Gilmore's lawyers were pretty quick to point out that Gilmore is not a public figure and wasn't until Alex and his cohorts made him one by lying about him and spreading conspiracy theories. | ||
| So that is the reality of the lawsuit that Alex is up against, that he's trying to misrepresent and create a straw man version of to talk about, because he knows better than to talk about it for real. | ||
| Because if he does, that'll just make the lawsuit that much worse. | ||
| Yeah, he's fucked. | ||
| Now, Alex saying that Heather Heyer might have died from a heart attack is a legitimate and overt example of him using a very traceable talking point. | ||
| This is something that is only expressed on Nazi message boards and outlets as an attempt to take culpability for her death away from James Fields. | ||
| This is a winking in-joke that speakers know, the people who say it, they know that it isn't true, but it's used to signal to each other that they approve of fascist murder. | ||
| The talking point is based on a misspeaking that Heather Heyer's mother made to reporters in the immediate aftermath of her daughter's death when she said Heather had a heart attack at the scene of the attack. | ||
| What she had meant to express is that doctors had told her that her daughter's heart had stopped at the scene and they'd been successful in getting it to beat again, but the success was temporary. | ||
| Miss Heyer later clarified her statement, but it didn't matter. | ||
| When Ms. Hayers gave her initial statement, she expressed uncertainty and said that she was waiting on the medical examiner's report. | ||
| When that report came out, it was clear that Heather died from blunt force trauma. | ||
| The only people who would come anywhere close to suggesting that Heather died from a heart attack, particularly in 2019, are doing so to very specifically signal to white supremacists and Nazis that they are on their side. | ||
| That is code. | ||
| And Alex is using it. | ||
| Now... | ||
| I also accept a possibility that Alex is fucking stupid. | ||
| I think that there's a chance that some of his researchers, in heavy quotes, are using this code, and Alex doesn't know that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because Alex doesn't do any preparation. | ||
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| I think that there is a possibility that he is unknowingly speaking white supremacist and Nazi code on air. | ||
| But if that's the case, then the people who are doing his work for him are intentionally feeding him that. | ||
| So there's no good way for that to shake out. | ||
| No. | ||
| No, I did not even think about that. | ||
| I just assumed that the heart attack was just some run-of-the-mill conspiracy theory that everybody does. | ||
| But yeah, why would anybody insist otherwise unless they were trying to make sure Nazis look better? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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| And the fact that it's become almost like a meme, kind of, is important for what's being transmitted when it's said. | ||
| So now to the question of police ordering a stand-down and kenneling protesters, which Alex seems to think is all he said, and that's all my coverage was. | ||
| He's saying that they kenneled these protesters and counter-protesters together. | ||
| This is a little bit more of an open question than I actually wish it was. | ||
| This one bums me out a little. | ||
| There are valid criticisms of the police department, and some of them are pretty close to what Alex is claiming. | ||
| But the context and surrounding information and the way Alex presents his narratives make it so Alex is still pretty much full of shit. | ||
| The police chief in Charlottesville, as well as the city spokesperson and mayor, have all gone on record and explicitly said that there was no stand-down order put out that day. | ||
| The ACLU has theorized that the police were hanging back and waiting for violence to break out so that they could have a reason to clear the area, knowing that violence was inevitable. | ||
| That theory seems fairly plausible, but also hasn't been proven to have been an actual stand-down strategy, anything like that the police were employing. | ||
| It just seems to match with what happened. | ||
| With what occurred, yeah. | ||
| But it still is not based on evidence. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| You would have to prove what would almost certainly be something that was just, like, generally agreed upon by just... | ||
| In action and, like, following the leader, I guess. | ||
| Well, there's some information coming. | ||
| So, factcheck.org researched the claims of a police stand-down, and not too surprisingly, the only evidence they found for it comes from Your Newswire and truthuncensored.net, two completely full of shit conspiracy websites. | ||
| The two sites feature a quote from an alleged Charlottesville police officer, who is anonymous, of course. | ||
| Surprise. | ||
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| That is a hell of a fake quote. | ||
| Well... | ||
| The first thing that should jump out at you is it's been in plan since at least May. | ||
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| That's when Richard Spencer's rally was. | ||
| So it's sort of tying all the rallies that have happened in Charlottesville together as part of the globalist plan. | ||
| You know, if you've read enough news, you can kind of get the feel for when somebody gives too good a quote. | ||
| Yeah, it's a real good one. | ||
| You can see the newsroom being like, man, that's a great quote. | ||
| How did you get that? | ||
| Oh, you can't reveal your source to me? | ||
| Oh, right. | ||
| Well, that's the same story that all of the made-up quotes guys wind up having. | ||
| But that's why this... | ||
| Didn't get any coverage in real media. | ||
| But on those two websites, it did. | ||
| And you're saying it's a really good quote, but there's one piece of it that you probably don't understand that actually makes this a very bad quote as a fake quote. | ||
| One of the reasons that this, you can tell that this is obviously a fake cop making a fake statement, is because he says that they weren't allowed to arrest anyone without asking the mayor. | ||
| This is an intrinsic misunderstanding of how the city of Charlottesville civic structure works. | ||
| And any cop with any information about the departmental operations would absolutely not make that mistake. | ||
| Charlottesville operates under a city manager form of government where the mayor is not voted into office, but is selected by elected city council members. | ||
| The position of mayor is largely ceremonial. | ||
| ceremonial in terms of duties and would have literally no authority over whether or not to arrest anyone at a protest. | ||
| This is a glaring example of this being clearly erroneous insider information. | ||
| It's clearly disseminated to produce a false narrative, not to report fact. | ||
| The mayor just presides over city council meetings and stuff like that. | ||
| It's not over the police department. | ||
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| And in 1992, it was a dog for six months, right? | ||
| Might as well be. | ||
| That's not fair, but might as well be. | ||
| So you understand, anybody who would be making this sort of information would know that. | ||
| Right. | ||
| No, that's what I meant by saying that's too good a quote. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And the thing is, that fake anonymous cop's bullshit story doesn't match any other documented reality, but it does closely match up with Alex's spin on the rally. | ||
| I have almost zero doubt that when Alex says the police have come out and admitted that there was a stand-down, literally the only thing he's basing that on is this fake anonymous quote published on a couple of bullshit conspiracy sites that his interns frequent to steal content. | ||
| I'm pretty sure. | ||
| Yeah, that sounds right. | ||
| But now here's where things get a little bit murky. | ||
| In March 2018, a FOIA request made public an internal police memo from August 7th, days before the Charlottesville rally. | ||
| In the memo, there was discussion of how the permit for the rally had been granted with a prediction of 400 people attending, but that intelligence gathered indicated that it would be way more people than that and that violence was a very likely outcome. | ||
| The memo explicitly said, quote, Officers should keep close watch of the crowd members who are exhibiting behaviors which could become violent. | ||
| Officers should make arrests when appropriate for unlawful behavior and should use issued flex cuffs as restraints. | ||
| Granted, this plan was not followed through on, owing largely to shitty communication and contradictory orders, many of which seemed to prioritize police officers' safety over civilian safety. | ||
| Police allocated manpower in horrible fashion, and there seemed to be almost no coordination or shared responsibilities between the Charlottesville Police Department and Virginia State Police, who served basically as park security as opposed to getting involved in active crowd control, which was desperately needed. | ||
| There was no stand-down order, but there was terrible policing going on there. | ||
| Police Chief Al Thomas was alleged to have said, quote, let them fight. | ||
| It'll make it easier to declare an unlawful assembly, as the rally was starting to turn ugly. | ||
| But even this doesn't constitute a stand-down order. | ||
| Also, Thomas insists he didn't say that, and his position was that he wanted to, quote, see how things played out. | ||
| Either way. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Either way. | ||
| All right. | ||
| That helps. | ||
| Not a better position. | ||
| No, I didn't want him to die. | ||
| I wanted people to see if he died. | ||
| Either way, Thomas resigned in disgrace by the end of 2017. | ||
| Good call. | ||
| An investigation done by U.S. Attorney Timothy Heafy found that the city was overconfident in their ability to deal with what was coming. | ||
| And because of that, it failed to protect their community in myriad ways. | ||
| But it found no evidence of a stand-down order. | ||
| But of course, Alex knows better. | ||
| He has sources. | ||
| Like that fake anonymous cop who was quoted in your newswire. | ||
| So, all this stuff is bullshit. | ||
| It's nonsense. | ||
| There is a more complicated reality behind the lies that Alex is saying. | ||
| That's what I was sort of alluding to. | ||
| He's a little bit closer to reality than I like him to be on this. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because it would be nice to just be able to say, no, the police acted... | ||
| They did a good job. | ||
| But it's not. | ||
| It's not the reality. | ||
| If they had done a good job, somebody most likely wouldn't be dead. | ||
| And in their deficiencies and in their failures to manage the crowd appropriately, they did end up having counter-demonstrators and the people who were awful. | ||
| Ended up in close proximity to each other, which is something that had they planned appropriately and followed the plan as was stated in that August 7th release, it might not have gone that poorly. | ||
| Did they purposefully kennel? | ||
| Probably not. | ||
| Did they functionally kennel? | ||
| Probably. | ||
| You know? | ||
| And there's a big difference. | ||
| There is a very big difference. | ||
| So, Alex is wrong about pretty much everything. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I mean, this isn't news for us. | ||
| No. | ||
| But he has other evidence than this fake cop on your newswire. | ||
| And, man, this... | ||
| Of all the things that could possibly happen, like, I don't think I'm looking forward to hearing about the Sandy Hook lawsuits as they progress. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I think that'll be probably real mucky. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And not fun. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Charlottesville is equally, not equally, maybe, I don't know. | ||
| I don't want to put a scale on it. | ||
| It's also a traumatic thing. | ||
| Great way of putting it, yeah. | ||
| But I do think that there's potential for Alex really embarrassing himself in court if he follows through with this strategy. | ||
| I fucking pray he does. | ||
| And if he started the fight, the police made them collide together. | ||
| That's what Trump said. | ||
| That turns into Trump's white supremacist. | ||
| So they think this lie got exposed a year and a half ago. | ||
| We exposed it, so they got pissed. | ||
| We got in the middle of their talking points that we were going to point out that the Democrats did orchestrate this, and we got documents showing that Democrats had orchestrated other riots in Maryland, which would be very powerful in court. | ||
| And specifically Soros and his son, Alexander. | ||
| He is going to introduce the fucking bogus-ass Soros Antifa contracts that he found on 410 into court. | ||
| I pray that he does that. | ||
| I beg of him. | ||
| To introduce that in the court. | ||
| See how quickly that turns you to... | ||
| Sir, Mr. Jones, I beg of you. | ||
| Oh my god, that would be amazing. | ||
| Okay, Mr. Jones, first off, this is stupid. | ||
| Right. | ||
| This is very stupid. | ||
| Second, the evidence that you are providing is related to something that has nothing to do with this situation right here. | ||
| And is a hoax. | ||
| Yes. | ||
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So, sir, Please leave. | |
| Whatever that guy wants, he gets. | ||
| You're done. | ||
| I think Alex introducing that into court could... | ||
| I mean, not just because of introducing it, but because I think, obviously, the court would be like, nah. | ||
| And then Alex's response to that, I think, could lead to a contempt of court charge. | ||
| That would be great. | ||
| I think Alex might end up screaming about how this is a Soros cover-up or something. | ||
| You know, he was always meant to teach a bullhorn class in prison. | ||
| He does also seem like... | ||
| There is a part of me that thinks that he believes that those contracts are real. | ||
| It does sound like it. | ||
| If he would go so far as to introduce them in court... | ||
| Like, I don't think you would pull that sort of a bluff if you knew that they were bullshit. | ||
| Yeah, man. | ||
| I think it could be such an embarrassing chapter. | ||
| Like, the optics of him arguing... | ||
| What, America? | ||
| Well, certainly. | ||
| But for Alex, too. | ||
| Like, the idea of him trying to argue in court that those are real. | ||
| Holy shit, that would be amazing. | ||
| Sir, under oath, where did you find those? | ||
| Wow, this one guy posted them on an anonymous message board saying that he found them in his brother's stuff. | ||
| Yeah, I know it sounds stupid. | ||
| Yep, yep. | ||
| Okay, saying it out loud in court does make it sound worse than I previously thought. | ||
| It feels better on a radio show. | ||
| It does feel better when nobody can say anything and nobody's actually looking at me. | ||
| It feels better. | ||
| Can we do this court thing on the radio? | ||
| It's better for my process. | ||
| Can we get the judge and the plaintiff to call in on my radio show and we'll be able to really get this one done? | ||
| When I take the stand, can I come up to Moby? | ||
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Can I come up to Highwaymen coming up to the stand? | |
| Can I get the Imperial March? | ||
| So we jump off these topics, and now Alex is going to talk about how Trump has all of the best moves. | ||
| Not dance moves. | ||
| He has all the moves at his disposal. | ||
| Like he's playing poker with the globalists. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Now, listen carefully to this and see if you can see where my mind was like, hold on now. | ||
| They know Trump has it all. | ||
| And he's sitting back basically like a hundred card decks. | ||
| And the globalists have a... | ||
| That's too many cards. | ||
| A couple of ones, a couple of fours, a couple of queens, maybe a joker. | ||
| Are they playing war? | ||
| In fact, all they've got is a handful of jokers to bluff. | ||
| And Trump's got hundreds of card decks. | ||
| He can just pull out nothing but ace of spades if he wants. | ||
| He can have all the royal flushes he wants. | ||
| Royal Flush, Royal Flush, Royal Flush, Royal Flush, Royal Flush. | ||
| But he's got to play the Royal Flush. | ||
| He has them dead in the sights. | ||
| I have three problems with that 40-second clip. | ||
| What? | ||
| The first is that there are no ones. | ||
| Alex says the Globals have some ones. | ||
| There is no one. | ||
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If you have a one, you have a fucked up deck of cards. | |
| Someone's cheating. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Two, Trump having a bunch of decks. | ||
| Also probably cheating. | ||
| Hundreds of decks. | ||
| Probably cheating. | ||
| No. | ||
| No collusion. | ||
| No deck collusion. | ||
| Third, are Jokers wild? | ||
| Because if so, if you have a handful of Jokers, that means you've got a royal flush. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| It means you have whatever fucking hand you want if you've got a handful of Jokers. | ||
| If Jokers aren't wild, this is a missed deal. | ||
| And also, where are the pinochle instructions? | ||
| Right. | ||
| What card is that one? | ||
| What are we playing? | ||
| We play an Omaha high-low? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| What's going on here? | ||
| If you play an Omaha high-low, having a one and a four is probably a good hand. | ||
| Because you can play it low. | ||
| Also, what? | ||
| What does this mean? | ||
| What is this poker game wherein one side only has a few cards and the other side has hundreds of decks that could be played at any moment? | ||
| Having a couple of fours and a couple of queens is not a bad hand. | ||
| That's a couple pairs. | ||
| Yeah, that's two pairs. | ||
| Queen, high, two pair. | ||
| Not terrible. | ||
| I've played enough poker in my time to know that you're going to win a good amount of hands. | ||
| Also, if I'm the globalist in this situation, and we're playing poker, and one guy has hundreds of decks, and I have a few cards, my thought is going to be, I don't want to play this game. | ||
| No. | ||
| So I'm going to play a different game, and you can have fun with your cards. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You've got to know when to hold them, when to fold them, know when to walk away, when to run. | ||
| Mr. Rogers, not the guy with the neighborhood, the other one. | ||
| He taught us about what to do with cards. | ||
| Sometimes you've got to run. | ||
| Sometimes you've got to run. | ||
| So in this next clip, Alex expresses his fictionalized version of that Charlottesville lawsuit. | ||
| And I only keep this in because we get another impression, a new impression, towards the end of this. | ||
| Yes, the death is on your hands. | ||
| Obama. | ||
| Hillary. | ||
| Soros. | ||
| Alexander Soros, not a Democrat cameraman who's worked for Hillary, who we just said, look how it's perfect. | ||
| They got a bunch of leftists there. | ||
| The leftists knew the conflagration was coming. | ||
| They knew the collapse was coming. | ||
| They knew the explosion was coming. | ||
| Doesn't mean they, the individuals, killed the woman. | ||
| But then they twist. | ||
| And then in my name, say that I say some guy killed the woman, and then he sues me. | ||
| You see how it works? | ||
| You see how it works? | ||
| We keep the baby alive in Virginia. | ||
| Then we get them little juicy organs. | ||
| He's not the villain. | ||
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The governor talking like this in a sweet southern voice. | |
| Is that Bernie? | ||
| Little blood ball. | ||
| Little flesh ball. | ||
| It's Alex Jones. | ||
| He's the bad one everywhere. | ||
| He questions things. | ||
| So Alex is trying to do an impression of Ralph Northam, I believe, the governor of Virginia. | ||
| The problem is, like, the time frame that he's talking about is, like, Before he was governor. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Northam didn't get into office until 2018. | ||
| So I don't know what's going on there. | ||
| But I think what I want to point out here very importantly is this was on the 25th. | ||
| Alex is re-bringing up his Governor Northam wants to kill babies after they're born kind of rhetoric, which is a big thing that he's been pushing lately. | ||
| And last night, as we're recording this, on Friday night, Trump... | ||
| Or Saturday night, excuse me. | ||
| Trump had a rally in Green Bay, which he did instead of going to face criticism at the correspondence dinner. | ||
| Well, that would be mean. | ||
| Which he literally told all of his staff they're not allowed to go to after Sarah Sanders got embarrassed last year. | ||
| Well, they were meanies. | ||
| They were so mean. | ||
| The snowflakes were mean, by the way. | ||
| The snowflakes were mean. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| They were mean, those snowflakes. | ||
| They just didn't want these alphas to feel so strong. | ||
| In response to that, the strongest of all the alphas made an order that no one associated with him is allowed to go to the snowflake dinner. | ||
| Yeah, he cried and took his ball and went home. | ||
| Well, not home. | ||
| Like a man. | ||
| Not home. | ||
| He went to Green Bay to hold one of his totally not authoritarian... | ||
| Metaphorical homes. | ||
| ...rallies. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But at the rally, Trump talked about the idea that after babies are born, they wrap them up, and then the mother and the doctor decide whether or not to execute it. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And that's mirroring Alex's rhetoric. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And Alex isn't alone in those narratives, which aren't real and aren't true at all. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But you see this now. | ||
| The bleeding is... | ||
| Is going into overdrive. | ||
| The idea that a sitting president would push Infowars narratives to a screaming crowd of crazies is dangerous. | ||
| We're past a point of decency. | ||
| It kind of makes you feel like the 25th Amendment didn't even need to be ratified. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| It needs to be used, but it didn't need to be ratified because clearly we're not going to use it. | ||
| I mean, if we're not now, I don't know. | ||
| I can't imagine the scenario. | ||
| Like, what if Bernie gets in and he just, like, bad example to use a specific person. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Let's imagine... | ||
| Jerry Lewis wins the next election as a Democrat and starts running around drunk with a lampshade on his head in the White House. | ||
| Is that 25th Amendment level? | ||
| What are his policy positions? | ||
| I don't know anymore. | ||
| It's insane. | ||
| If this isn't enough, I can't imagine a scenario where it would be enough. | ||
| Even then, isn't he just too dumb? | ||
| Aren't we at the place where it's just like, oh, you're too dumb? | ||
| You're too dumb. | ||
| That's 25th Amendment. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Isn't that a certain... | ||
| It's insane. | ||
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What's the point? | |
| I think you could make a pretty robust argument just from like... | ||
| Whether or not there's mental deterioration and that sort of thing. | ||
| What you're doing is a danger to people. | ||
| You being in office is a severe danger to people's safety. | ||
| Whether it's reproductive rights workers who now have to worry about tons of people believing that they're executing babies and that it's justified to shoot and bomb them as has been done in the past. | ||
| Or whether it's Muslims who have... | ||
| People who are emboldened by Trump, like Alex, coming out and expressing that there can only be under 10% of a population being Muslim or else they will bomb all of us. | ||
| I think that you could make a pretty robust argument that Trump being an officer is a danger to the safety of a lot of people. | ||
| But of course, if you tried to make those arguments, Alex and his propaganda cohorts would be like... | ||
| Yeah, he's a danger to the globalist system. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| And that's really what they're afraid of. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| So, I mean, we're just in a dead end. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, I mean, it's so disappointing whenever you read Twitter saying we can't get rid of Nazi hate speech because our algorithm... | ||
| Mixes it up with Republican speech, and you're like... | ||
| You bet. | ||
| Guys, guys, come on. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Come on, guys. | ||
| You didn't even word that right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What you should have said was, we can't get rid of the Nazi hate speech because it's what Republicans say, too. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So this is... | ||
| Now we get into an interesting territory. | ||
| I was not super surprised by hearing Alex's talk about Charlottesville the way he was talking about it, because that's fairly in line with the stuff he said in the past. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| This next stretch was crazy to me. | ||
| And that is that I think Alex is trying to present the idea that all of the Nazis and white supremacists that were at Charlottesville were not only actors, were not only Democratic deep state operatives. | ||
| They were all gay. | ||
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What? | |
| If you actually look at all these men and look at their behavior and look at how they're acting, this is the... | ||
| Acting club. | ||
| And this is the drama club from surrounding universities. | ||
| And, I mean, it's basically a giant gay dress-up party with a bunch of gay men dressed up as Nazis in their giant Jussie Smollett event. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Whoa! | ||
| All right. | ||
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Whoa! | |
| All right, buddy. | ||
| That was... | ||
| Did he just... | ||
| He just got a Yahtzee. | ||
| I think that was a Yahtzee. | ||
| What the fuck just happened? | ||
| So when I heard that, I was like, that's new. | ||
| That is new. | ||
| It's all a bunch of gays dressed up like Nazis having a Jussie Smollett event. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| So I thought that was it. | ||
| And then Alex follows it up with this. | ||
| Doubling the fuck down. | ||
| And I've had the leaders of it on. | ||
| Like, yes, I was a big Obama supporter until a year ago. | ||
| Or, yes, I was for Hillary until now. | ||
| But, my, Alex, you're so handsome today. | ||
| What? | ||
| And again, look. | ||
| I understand the gay guys are thinking they've got to go fight Trump or whatever, and they've got to fight the racism. | ||
| What? | ||
| But this is really bad. | ||
| You've got to give it up to the Somalis. | ||
| And that's what it is. | ||
| Now, there's some real white supremacists that join the group. | ||
| I see some real Klan guys out there, like Hillbillies, like, we're going to do something to them black people. | ||
| Yeah, there was a few. | ||
| Whoa, did he just throw the N word down? | ||
| The vast majority go to the local colleges, and they dressed up. | ||
| As Nazis to go out and do this. | ||
| I mean, just look at the footage. | ||
| It's ridiculous. | ||
| So, he's really... | ||
| This is not something I've heard him say in the past. | ||
| The idea that it was a bunch of gay dudes who were running around like Nazis. | ||
| And I gotta be honest. | ||
| The idea of the actor stuff is like, yeah, alright, I expect that from you, Alex. | ||
| But he's very insistent about the gay piece. | ||
| He really is. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Really insistent. | ||
| He really is. | ||
| Listen to this. | ||
| I really think he dropped the N-word, too. | ||
| I think he muddled a little. | ||
| I think he was... | ||
| I'm not sure. | ||
| We'll let the forensic analysts who are listening decide on that one. | ||
| But listen to this. | ||
| He's so insistent about this gay stuff. | ||
| Even if all those little Nelly waddling, I mean, you know, there were types of gay guys. | ||
| You got the big tough gay guys. | ||
| What are we doing? | ||
| And you go see all the little sissy flamer guys going, Hitler, we love him. | ||
| Trump, we love Trump. | ||
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I mean, give me a break, man. | |
| He's so mad. | ||
| I don't know what's going... | ||
| I don't know what we're... | ||
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What? | |
| He's so mad. | ||
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What? | |
| He's so mad. | ||
| What is happening? | ||
| He's so mad about these imaginary gay people who are dressed up like Nazis just so he doesn't have to deal with the fact that there are a bunch of white supremacists and Nazis that love the same guy he loves for the same reasons. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| This is like him getting super mad about how much he agrees with David Duke. | ||
| That is insane. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| That is absolutely... | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Here's what we're going to do, Alex. | ||
| We got our new angle. | ||
| This way you don't have to say that you love white supremacists. | ||
| Call them gay. | ||
| Done. | ||
| Move on. | ||
| Next lawsuit. | ||
| They're just gay Democrat actors. | ||
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Yep. | |
| What? | ||
| Time has shown that a lot of the people who have been identified who were Nazis at that rally... | ||
| First of all, art gay, art actors, and are not Democrats who were recruited from area colleges. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, there were a few white supremacists. | ||
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I like his southern accent where it just sounds like him. | |
| And I love the idea that he's doing that sort of disparagingly to the people of the South who he claims he loves so much and everyone else thinks are stupid. | ||
| But much like those Soros Antifa documents, I would love for him to try and introduce this into court. | ||
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Please. | |
| Because, Jordan, here's the thing. | ||
| Your Honor, not guilty by reason of homophobia? | ||
| Your Honor, these are clearly sissy flamers. | ||
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They are not at all Trump supporters. | |
| Objection. | ||
| Objection? | ||
| I guess sustained? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| So, Alex has one piece of evidence. | ||
| That I think is probably incontrovertible. | ||
| I would definitely stand up. | ||
| Wait, one piece of evidence that these are all gay, actor, doctor. | ||
| I'm being very facetious. | ||
| No, no, no, I understand, but... | ||
| This is evidence for them all being gay. | ||
| I think part of it is that they're wearing button-up shirts when they were holding the tiki torches and yelling blood and soil and shit. | ||
| Well, we all roundly mocked what they looked like then. | ||
| Right, but it was more because they looked like they were all in golf outfits. | ||
| Right, exactly. | ||
| Very much. | ||
| But Alex plays some video, and this is his sort of definitive evidence that these aren't real Nazis. | ||
| And they all just run around like, oh, oh, oh. | ||
| I mean, you look at the bot. | ||
| Look at how the guys are running. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| We're going to fight. | ||
| Oh, we're Nazis. | ||
| Oh, look, Nazis are marching everywhere. | ||
| If you're following this, he's basically saying that the way they run is way too gay for them to be real Nazis. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Which, all right. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Let's see where this line of thought goes. | ||
| I didn't know that that was admissible in court, but okay. | ||
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Yep. | |
| I can't wait to depose all these people. | ||
| But that's why we need a war chest, ladies and gentlemen. | ||
| I am looking forward to the Charlottesville thing to expose what really happened. | ||
| I'm looking forward more and more to the Sandy Hook thing and the depositions and all the rest of it. | ||
| I actually needed to get dialed in on who was who, who was running what. | ||
| We know what law firms are running it, who's funding it. | ||
| We have all the intel. | ||
| We're now hooked in. | ||
| And we've got intel on them. | ||
| And so... | ||
| I've been advised by high-level forces that we need to just go ahead and get into this. | ||
| They've really miscalculated. | ||
| But it's going to take funds, ladies and gentlemen. | ||
| Oh, shit! | ||
| It's all basically an ad pivot for him needing to sell products in order to fund his defense. | ||
| So all this stuff is still kind of ad pivot-y. | ||
| Like, it's still sort of the prelude to I Need Money. | ||
| The idea that, like, all these are fake Nazis. | ||
| They're all secretly gay Democrats from local colleges, acting programs. | ||
| I can't wait to depose them. | ||
| Listen up. | ||
| I got one question for you in this deposition and remind you you're under oath. | ||
| Are you an undercover Democratic operative who's gay? | ||
| Cyanide pill. | ||
| This isn't going to work out well. | ||
| No. | ||
| But I do think it is probably going to work out well with him getting some money from the people that he has left. | ||
| And you can see this sort of thing. | ||
| I need money for this war chest. | ||
| I'm so excited about this lawsuit that I'm really on the wrong end of. | ||
| And the dude won't settle. | ||
| So please give me money. | ||
| Knockout is 100% off. | ||
| We say this a bit, but it's like you kind of see death throes. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| You see, just like, this isn't good. | ||
| Well, he's no longer operating as a business. | ||
| He's operating as a way to get just enough revenue to cover his bullshit. | ||
| And I've noticed an upward trend in the later part of April here that Alex is saying a lot more. | ||
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Like, I come from community TV. | |
| Public access TV, you think I'm going to stop? | ||
| I'll go back to, you know, like that sort of thing. | ||
| You might be considering that as a very likely outcome in a short amount of time. | ||
| But the good news is the podcasting has evolved so much since Alex's early days that he could probably make a living just doing a podcast. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| If this show is any evidence, I think he could probably be just fine. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Probably have to sell some boats, maybe not be able to have all that great property. | ||
| He'd have to sell some boats. | ||
| I mean, he probably wouldn't be able to live up to the standard that he lives, but he could get a one-bedroom apartment in Chicago. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| Wouldn't that be fun? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Especially if he was across the hall from you. | ||
| Oh, it'd be terrible. | ||
| I think that would be one of the only few things that would be worse than the neighbors I currently have. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He knocks on your door. | ||
| He's like, hey, my equipment's gone down. | ||
| You mind? | ||
| I mean, you've got to sit up here. | ||
| It's a three-hour show. | ||
| I'll produce, but I'm not editing. | ||
| We don't edit. | ||
| So, in this next clip, Alex talks about this Democrats pretending to be Nazis plan. | ||
| I want you to listen to this and just think about how overly complicated this is, as opposed to the idea that there are actual white supremacists and Nazis. | ||
| Because the Democrat plan is to have leftists posing as Nazis announce events, get real Nazis to come to it, all in blue cities, then reporters will come to cover it. | ||
| Three. | ||
| They'll all be called Nazis. | ||
| Four. | ||
| They'll have Antifa attack. | ||
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Five. | |
| They'll create a melee, and they'll claim a race war started. | ||
| That's the MO. | ||
| We got the secret documents in January of 2018 from the Soros group, from family members that got inside the Antifa. | ||
| And those documents are real. | ||
| They've not contested them. | ||
| Hal, this is their plan. | ||
| And that's why they don't want us on air or you on air. | ||
| They've not contested them. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| That is absolutely not proof that they're real. | ||
| That's all you need. | ||
| They didn't say anything. | ||
| There is a thing where, like... | ||
| I know in TV and movies, people will be like, I won't even dignify that with a response. | ||
| But in the real world, when people won't dignify something with a response, they just don't say anything. | ||
| And for the Soros group, I would say, not responding to this, good move. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Good move. | ||
| We've got these documents. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then walk away. | ||
| So at the beginning of this episode, I pointed out that Alex ran into Max Keiser, and the two of them had a little talk about Bitcoin and stuff like that. | ||
| They talk about a lot of stuff. | ||
| But at the end of the episode, the third hour is just Alex playing his interview with Max Keiser. | ||
| He just leaves. | ||
| Oh, he just leaves? | ||
| Yeah, he isn't on air anymore. | ||
| He's just like, play the interview. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it's stupid. | ||
| I don't really care. | ||
| Alex missed out on $50 million of Bitcoin or whatever. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Which is actually way more if he would have sold when it was before Christ again. | ||
| Yeah, that would have been $150 million. | ||
| But the only thing I really care about is this clip from the interview, which is... | ||
| Who Nelly? | ||
| Trump! | ||
| Did run for president out of nowhere and win. | ||
| They tried to act like he was a silver spoon and was not a self-made man. | ||
| That guy has incredible charisma, incredible energy. | ||
| And it's not like a worship fest. | ||
| But compared to all 18 Democrat candidates, he has more smarts and more energy than all of those teleprompter-reading boobs. | ||
| So I just think the Democrats should just give up and capitulate and let America be great again. | ||
| But they're not going to do it. | ||
| So as the Depression intensifies, and I agree they're worn out for now, but they're going to come back. | ||
| I think it's going to get more zany, more wacky. | ||
| So Alex is advocating that the Democrats should just concede the 2020 election. | ||
| Well, yeah. | ||
| Like, look at all these self-promptor reading boobs. | ||
| They just give up. | ||
| We all know that none of them are as good a president, so why not just not have the election? | ||
| So when I was younger, I was very against George W. Bush. | ||
| And I... | ||
| You know, was a protest the Iraq war. | ||
| And I didn't like John Kerry, but I supported Kerry in that election. | ||
| And at no point did I say George W. Bush should concede the election. | ||
| Because that's fucked up. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Because that's kind of similar to Alex's... | ||
| Claims that Obama was going to cancel the election and stuff like that. | ||
| The idea of, like, we shouldn't even have this democratic process. | ||
| Why even bother? | ||
| We already know that Trump is going to win with 97% of the vote like very normal countries have. | ||
| The only difference between him being, like, Obama's going to cancel the election and Democrats should give up this election is that he's kind of being, like, it should be their choice. | ||
| But there shouldn't be an election, but it should be their choice. | ||
| You're misunderstanding. | ||
| It's very funny. | ||
| Both of them are the same. | ||
| Obama should cancel the election by giving it up. | ||
| And Democrats should cancel this election by quitting. | ||
| Well, whatever the case, that's a really fucked up anti-democratic idea. | ||
| That's really... | ||
| Here's the problem with democracy. | ||
| People change. | ||
| I don't like it. | ||
| So how about they just quit? | ||
| That'd be nice. | ||
| Fuck it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So we get to the 26th, and Alex gets back to talking about how he has those three sources, but he won't tell you who they are, even though they said he could. | ||
| I've got to spend more time in D.C., man. | ||
| It's just amazing the context we've got, how we can just walk into any of these offices, any of these facilities, and talk to folks, and they just give us the intel. | ||
| And I was told, go ahead and release who told me this, but I'm not going to do it. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Just to leave it at that. | ||
| I mean, it does raise the question. | ||
| Yeah, why? | ||
| Why? | ||
| Give me a reason. | ||
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Right. | |
| You know, the only thing that I could imagine is possible, and I don't think this is the case, but the only explanation I can come up with is Alex is trying to rope-a-dope the media into saying, like, you don't have any fucking sources, and then he pulls out, boom, here's who it is. | ||
| Like, that sort of thing. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But I don't think that's what's happening. | ||
| You think he's playing it close to the vest, if you will? | ||
| Well, I know that he likes to set traps. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You know, they're usually bad traps. | ||
| Yeah, this one's a bad trap. | ||
| That's the only explanation that went... | ||
| I sit here and I think about what could be going on here. | ||
| That's the only thing that makes sense other than I'm making this shit up. | ||
| But even then, is that really a trap so much as just having to reveal information based on people asking you a question? | ||
| Well, one way to play it is to just tell people who the person is. | ||
| That's one way to do it. | ||
| That's a good start. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I mean, that's just what journalists might do, especially when they've been given clearance by their source to say who it is. | ||
| It kind of adds to the reporting and makes it seem like, oh, maybe there's credibility here. | ||
| Another possible strategy would be to have actual sources and people who have said, you can say my name. | ||
| Say my name, say my name. | ||
| When no one is around you. | ||
| Like on a radio show. | ||
| You can have that information and then make a big deal out of how you're not going to say who the people are. | ||
| Knowing that everyone knows you lie all the time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Right? | |
| So then everyone covers it and they're like, this guy's fucking making this shit up. | ||
| He's a big old liar and it's just another example of him being a big old fucking liar with a thick neck. | ||
| Then, what you can do is be like... | ||
| The mainstream media is getting a little petty. | ||
| It's time. | ||
| But then, once they do that, you pull out your name of your real source, and then you get to be like, the mainstream media always lies. | ||
| They say that I don't have sources. | ||
| Well, I do have a source. | ||
| And in that way, you can sort of reclaim all the times you've been lying in the past, be like, I could have done this any time, or something like that. | ||
| You can create some sort of a... | ||
| A propaganda coup out of it. | ||
| Again, I don't think that's what Alex is doing, but I do see a potential strategy someone could be employing like that. | ||
| Hoping someone falls into the trap and be like, they're fake news, they say I lie, they're lying. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I see that the same way I see the globalist plan with the Charlottesville rally. | ||
| Somebody conceivably could be that... | ||
| Weird, evil, beyond villain, but I doubt it's Alex. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, like the last episode ended with a really long interview with Max Keiser, Alex also spends a large portion of the beginning of this episode playing Hannity's interview with Trump. | ||
| So, Hannity had an interview with Trump on Fox News, and Alex just plays a ton of it. | ||
| And here is Alex setting up, getting into, like, he's about to go to that interview. | ||
| But in the first 15 minutes or so, he gets into the deep state, the attempted coup, and the counter-strikes that are planned, and the fact that they are pushing for indictments and they have all the evidence. | ||
| But I know they have the evidence because I was there researching and watching it all in the last three years. | ||
| We were the first show to say they were illegally spying on Trump. | ||
| Now, up to this point, from the 25th, we have the evidence of the Evelyn Farkas clip that Alex is lying about. | ||
| We have Larry C. Johnson, which is a load of bullshit. | ||
| And now Alex brings up the hat trick of things that we've covered on this show and are complete bullshit. | ||
| We then received NSA documents via the Drug Enforcement Agency. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| Exclusively. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| That's WikiLeaks-level stuff, folks. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Protected by law, journalism. | ||
| Where Trump and myself were being spied on by Obama right after he got into office. | ||
| Our private numbers, everything we were saying, doing, we were given the index code. | ||
| That broke, got zero attention. | ||
| It got zero attention because it's bullshit. | ||
| You didn't get it from the DEA. | ||
| You got it from Dennis Montgomery through the hands of Joe Arpaio and his dumbass cold case squad. | ||
| Mike Zullo. | ||
| Oh, you know who else? | ||
| Larry Klayman, who is now suing Alex along with Jerome Corsi. | ||
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Really? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| So that's where all that information came from. | ||
| The propaganda attempt by Dennis Montgomery, who is a fake whistleblower, who, Jesus Christ, if you want to understand that, go back to our episode. | ||
| It's called the Dennis Montgomery investigation. | ||
| It explains how all of this was trying to... | ||
| It involves trying to intimidate a judge. | ||
| It's a mess. | ||
| Oh, it's a whole mess. | ||
| Yeah, that story is way too long to get into. | ||
| But that's the third piece of the Trump is being spied on narrative, which is just bullshit. | ||
| So you have Larry C. Johnson, Evelyn Farkas nonsense. | ||
| Dennis Montgomery, you got the... | ||
| Propaganda comes in threes. | ||
| The trifecta of it. | ||
| You gotta understand, if Alex is using these as reinforcing that narrative, he doesn't have anything. | ||
| In the same way that if he's trying to say that the globalists play in Charlottesville, and I have the proof, it's these contracts I found on 4chan with Soros, he doesn't have something real. | ||
| If you start with this, that's bad. | ||
| That's like if you are a stand-up. | ||
| And your opener is shit. | ||
| I don't have faith that minute three is going to get good. | ||
| You don't open with shit if you have something better. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And that's what Alex is doing. | ||
| He's a stand-up who's doing a terrible set over and over and over again. | ||
| So in this next clip from the 26th, Alex talks about how he, you know, he talks to Trump. | ||
| Not anymore. | ||
| But he did talk to Trump. | ||
| For a bit. | ||
| He's talking to Trump. | ||
| He's talked to Trump. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And in this next clip, Alex says what they talked about the last time they talked, and man, this is crazy. | ||
| And I said, sir, it's because you're better than them. | ||
| You're self-made. | ||
| They're from the political class. | ||
| They're all dishonorable. | ||
| They're all two-faced. | ||
| You just have to understand you're not dealing in real estate anymore. | ||
| He goes, I know, I know, Alex. | ||
| We'll keep it up. | ||
| We'll be talking a lot more soon. | ||
| I don't care about being patted on the head. | ||
| I said, Mr. President, you don't need to call me anymore. | ||
| All you do is have your people watch my show and listen to my show when I do an emergency message to you. | ||
| And I need you to watch them. | ||
| And he said he will. | ||
| And he does. | ||
| Why do you think they want to get rid of certain people in the White House? | ||
| Certain people. | ||
| Like Miller and others. | ||
| So that's why I think that one of the people he's pretending he talked to might have been Stephen Miller, because he specifically is implying that Miller watches his show. | ||
| Certain people. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And you know what? | ||
| If anyone does, it would be him, I guess. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| He's the most vociferous and evil asshole I can think of. | ||
| But in his evilness, I still think he's smarter than to think Alex knows anything. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| I could see Stephen Miller wanting to use Alex in some way, but not respecting him, you know? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think that he could see him as a useful idiot and maybe a fellow traveler in their racism. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And white ethnostate creating. | ||
| But I can't imagine, like, I would think, I think that Stephen Miller would hear, like, the Soros documents and be like, get the fuck out of here. | ||
| That sort of thing. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| He's also one of the... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know where we are with him on the stupid v. | ||
| evil continuum. | ||
| You know? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I just think that anybody... | ||
| I find it hard to believe anyone would believe Alex, quite frankly. | ||
| Yeah, I agree. | ||
| Maybe I'm blinded by that. | ||
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That I just think that Stephen Miller is a person. | |
| The president said in front of thousands of people that a mother and the doctor get together to decide whether or not to kill a baby. | ||
| Everybody. | ||
| All bets are off for what people might believe. | ||
| Yeah, fair enough. | ||
| All bets. | ||
| You might be right. | ||
| I'm just really shocked at the magnanimous gesture Alex gave to say that Donald Trump didn't need to call him anymore. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That was just so big of him because a lot of people, if they had the direct ear of the president, they would want to talk all the time. | ||
| Hey, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump. | ||
| You don't need to call me anymore, but please watch my show. | ||
| Get your staff to watch my show. | ||
| All right, Alex. | ||
| That actually kind of feels like it might be a sincere feeling that he has. | ||
| I don't need to talk to you as long as I indoctrinate you. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| Or something along those lines. | ||
| So the sort of Twitter was abuzz not too long ago about the idea that Alex was teaming up with QAnon. | ||
| And like we heard earlier, him bringing up, like, I'm leaving these breadcrumbs. | ||
| These sort of evocative phrases that hearken to QAnon. | ||
| There are glimmers of that. | ||
| But everyone made a bit of a classic mistake, which I think I cautioned people about. | ||
| And that was that Alex is not teaming up with QAnon. | ||
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He can't, because QAnon hates him. | |
| Which is an important variable to think. | ||
| Even if Alex warms up to QAnon... | ||
| QAnon specifically doesn't like Alex. | ||
| I did not know that. | ||
| Which he brings up in this next clip. | ||
| Massive arrest. | ||
| They're beginning. | ||
| The roll-up has begun. | ||
| The grand juries are open. | ||
| I'll say this, too. | ||
| I've been around 24 years. | ||
| President Trump came on my show and said, your reputation is amazing. | ||
| I will not let you down. | ||
| No one knows who QAnon is. | ||
| It's a bunch of people on 4chan and 8chan. | ||
| It says some good things. | ||
| It says some bad things. | ||
| But even after I've tried to be nice to 4chan and 8chan and the whole Q thing, it comes out and says, Jones is a Zionist shill. | ||
| He's going to get arrested. | ||
| All this crap. | ||
| Trump's daughter is married to an Orthodox Jew. | ||
| Trump is pro-Israel, but you guys don't attack him because he's too big a target. | ||
| But see that paradox of Q becoming anti-Semitic? | ||
| That's not the real Q. If Q was ever real, we don't need a bunch of anti-Semitic crap, a bunch of anti-Israel stuff. | ||
| That's a diversion. | ||
| So, yeah, I mean, it's a jumbled mess. | ||
| But Alex doesn't like QAnon because QAnon doesn't like him. | ||
| So even if they can find common cause in terms of, you know, putting forth the argument that there's a bunch of arrests coming, Hillary is going to get locked up, you know, there is overlap to some of it. | ||
| But Alex would never allow QAnon to hate him and be on the same team as him. | ||
| I mean, what do you think's going on here? | ||
| But the idea, again, how I'm being attacked from the rear by so-called QAnon... | ||
| That's how I started going after QAnon. | ||
| They were attacking me. | ||
| Again, who is QAnon? | ||
| Oh, let's all just trust some anonymous thing that lays out breadcrumbs and says, as we all go, we all go, and all this stuff. | ||
| And I'm like, okay, fine. | ||
| So you're there. | ||
| Alex used the term breadcrumbs again. | ||
| He's keenly aware that that is a piece of QAnon. | ||
| It's so sad. | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| Just leave me alone. | ||
| Let me go out and be a real person in the field, in the arena. | ||
| And it just doesn't stop. | ||
| And so, again, the question to QAnon. | ||
| Whoever it is, whatever groups that magically have, I could pose as QAnon online, start a website. | ||
| You're starting to get it. | ||
| And say whatever I wanted. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| It's nuts. | ||
| We have the real people on. | ||
| We have the Colonel Schaefer's on. | ||
| We have the Ron Paul and Rand Paul's on. | ||
| We have the Eric Bollings on. | ||
| We have, you know, Tucker Carlson. | ||
| We're fighting the globalists. | ||
| We're for real. | ||
| We're getting an effect. | ||
| You know our name. | ||
| You know who my daddy is, my mama is. | ||
| You've seen them de-platform us. | ||
| You've seen them come after us. | ||
| And Q is just a secret critic. | ||
| So that should sort of give you a sense of, like, I still think there's a dangerous confluence of the two of them, and, like, the rhetoric overlapping can be pretty bad. | ||
| I think it's a negative net effect. | ||
| But the possibility of the two sort of audiences... | ||
| And the idea of Alex ever being like, Q is legit, we gotta fucking go on board with this. | ||
| It's never going to happen because of the ego. | ||
| Like, it's just impossible. | ||
| Well, it struck me that it's been a long time since I've heard such a long clip of Alex just whining. | ||
| That was... | ||
| Well, that might be because of the clips I choose. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| That's entirely because of the clips you choose. | ||
| That's not a foreign thing to me. | ||
| No, of course not. | ||
| But it's just like, God, you're such a whiny little... | ||
| Yeah, he's a baby. | ||
| Quit it. | ||
| He's a loser little titty baby. | ||
| Who's... | ||
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I was on there first, and I saw the dog, and everybody... | |
| Nobody tells me what... | ||
| It's not a good look. | ||
| Jesus, that's sad. | ||
| It's a bad look. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's a bad look for him because he's supposed to be like an... | ||
| We are the InfoWarm. | ||
| I am the vaunted dread of perverts, communists, and globalists and Hollywood trash everywhere. | ||
| I am the hated, the dreaded, villain to the left, patriot and brother in arms. | ||
| To those that just love freedom and common sense, I'm Alex Jones. | ||
| This is a little bit of guitar right here. | ||
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*laughter* | |
| There's nothing not to like about that. | ||
| He had a radio show at like 2am in some small college town and he didn't have any larger political ambitions. | ||
| He'd be amazing! | ||
| I am the scourge of perverts, friend of patriots. | ||
| I am the villain, Alex Jones. | ||
| And now here's some guitar. | ||
| Now listen to a little bit of that guitar. | ||
| Damn it! | ||
| It's those moments that are like, that's good radio. | ||
| That is great! | ||
| I mean, it's so few and far between. | ||
| Legitimately great. | ||
| It's so, I would say, under like a half a percent of what he does, and the rest of it doesn't come close to making up for it. | ||
| But I love those sorts of moments, because that's the kind of thing you don't hear on other sorts of shows. | ||
| Like, if you listen to Glenn Beck or Sean Hannity's radio shows, there's no moments where they have that humanity of like... | ||
| Fucking listen to that guitar. | ||
| Or like that one way back. | ||
| That's Randy Rhoads right there. | ||
| Yeah, that's right. | ||
| That sort of shit. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| And I think, honestly, we can laugh and enjoy that kernel of that moment. | ||
| But on some level, it makes it worse. | ||
| It makes the bad things he says so much worse. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because there is the humanity. | ||
| through in moments like that of like aesthetically liking music. | ||
| Yeah, I mean... | ||
| There's more of his individual personality that's allowed to exist on the show than so many other political talk shows. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| Which makes it kind of feel like when he says Muslims can't ever be over 10% in a population, it's coming from a person as opposed to it being like a political talk show, which makes it damning. | ||
| I think. | ||
| I think the humanity damns him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You think so? | ||
| And that's kind of why I like to play moments like that, because I think it makes it worse. | ||
| To me, it sounds like he's a fanboy. | ||
| This sounds very Gamergate kind of situation, where it's like, listen to the way he talks about that, listen to the way he talks about the Highwaymen and certain movies, and he's just got that kind of like... | ||
| Joy towards collecting something that is underappreciated. | ||
| That kind of thing. | ||
| And then that is part of that funneling into that hard rights white nationalism. | ||
| But fine, even if that's the case, then that fandom or whatever is still humanizing on some level. | ||
| My only argument is that him being presented as a person can be funny because of the... | ||
| The shift, the seismic shift in tone, but it also makes it worse because then it's a person who's saying the things that he's saying. | ||
| That's more my point. | ||
| So Alex talks a whole bunch about how Trump is going to lock her up, which, I mean, you know, whatever. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Fine. | ||
| Roll it. | ||
| He plays... | ||
| A ton of that Hannity interview. | ||
| For about an hour, at least, of his show, he plays that Hannity interview, and then he says this, which is kind of funny, considering. | ||
| And so their whole attempted criminal operation is going down in giant flames, and we just laid all that out in the last hour. | ||
| I know that I can't prove this to you without playing the last hour of the show. | ||
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| He did not lay all that out. | ||
| He just played the Hannity interview with Trump. | ||
| I'm going to trust you on this one. | ||
| He did. | ||
| I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt. | ||
| He's coming out to commercial, and he's saying, you know, we laid it all out in the last hour. | ||
| And he's like, no, you just played a softball propaganda interview with Trump sitting down with Sean Hannity. | ||
| That's not laying it all out. | ||
| You didn't prove anything. | ||
| I think that's... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I think that's funny. | ||
| Maybe it fell flat a little bit in the room. | ||
| Well, we would need the full hour in order to get the... | ||
| No, I'm sorry. | ||
| So, in this next clip, Alex... | ||
| Show, not tell. | ||
| That's all I'm saying. | ||
| Well, alright. | ||
| Our next episode's gonna be six hours long. | ||
| Play Alex playing an interview from Hannity. | ||
| That would be surreal. | ||
| That would be a pain in the ass. | ||
| That would be awful. | ||
| So, in this next clip, Alex likes to talk about how Trump is giving up a lot in order to be president, like his businesses are suffering and those sorts of things. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But I think here, in this clip, Alex makes a pretty compelling case that Trump is profiting off the presidency. | ||
| I'd stay there all over again. | ||
| Just to summit the nose of the establishment because Max Keiser was in there and all these other cool people. | ||
| You want to see the bar scene of conservatives and liberals and Media Matters and BuzzFeed sneaking around in there. | ||
| Go have cocktails or go in there at happy hour or in the evening at Trump Hotel in D.C. and it is wild. | ||
| It's a super nice hotel on top of it. | ||
| I love the... | ||
| Do you think that might have something to do with his job? | ||
| I love that black on white marble and blue on it and just the whole setup is exactly my style. | ||
| In fact, my wife just wanted to remodel the house and I said, yeah, let's do it like this. | ||
| She goes, oh, I like that. | ||
| I said, yeah, let's go with the Trump Hotel look for the living room and dining room. | ||
| But I'm digressing, my friends. | ||
| You certainly are. | ||
| Boy. | ||
| That's sad. | ||
| Take your face out of his butt. | ||
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Christ. | |
| That's insanely bootleckery. | ||
| Like, to a level that most don't even dare approach. | ||
| The idea of like, yeah, his hotel's aesthetic is so good, I'm going to make my house like it. | ||
| And my wife said, it's great. | ||
| And I said, yeah, the Trump Hotel look. | ||
| But yeah, I mean, before that, he is pretty much expressing the idea that this bar in this hotel has become a hotspot of people. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But in that clip, he's laying out a very clear argument that he is. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| He just doesn't give a shit. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Alex doesn't give a shit. | ||
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| So we have one last clip. | ||
| Nobody likes the Constitution, Dan. | ||
| It's a bummer. | ||
| Especially people who love the Constitution. | ||
| Especially people. | ||
| Nobody likes... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So in this next and last clip from the 26th... | ||
| Oh, I should say why there's only one more clip. | ||
| Because Alex, for about a fucking hour of the show, plays a Hannity interview. | ||
| And then for another 40 minutes of the episode, he plays an interview he did with Eric Bolling. | ||
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| From The Blaze. | ||
| So he was really phoning this one in. | ||
| Well, there's a nice parallel to... | ||
| Did he need to go into the office that day? | ||
| There's a parallel to the 2013 stuff that we're looking at. | ||
| This very interesting thing where the past and the present have weird intersections, and that is... | ||
| At the end of this week, this 25th and 26th, Alex seems to be real into the idea of his intersections with other media figures. | ||
| So whether it's, I talked to Max Keiser at the Trump Hotel, or I did an interview with Eric Bolling, or Trump did this interview with Sean Hannity and he's saying a lot of similar stuff to me. | ||
| There's the same thing with Alex being obsessed for a week back in the past of he went on Piers Morgan's show. | ||
| So there is a little bit of a navel-gazing grind that Alex is in. | ||
| So there's not a whole lot. | ||
| But on the 26th, he says this. | ||
| And this is like, again, in the same way we were talking about earlier, that this is so overtly awful that it's inexcusable. | ||
| Even the local officials in LA and New York City have to admit it's illegal aliens spreading the measles and pertussis, whooping cough, but it doesn't matter. | ||
| People that have had the vaccines are getting it. | ||
| So they're saying, oh, get another shot. | ||
| Well, wait, I got one a year ago. | ||
| The vaccines are scams. | ||
| They don't protect you. | ||
| They're Trojan horses for other things. | ||
| But the point is, you bring in illegals from collapsed rural countries, they're going to spread the real thing. | ||
| The truth is, running water and hygiene had eradicated these things. | ||
| Now we bring in the third world, it's back. | ||
| But then even Trump comes out and says, we need to all take measles shots. | ||
| No, we need to stop the illegal aliens that are not even being... | ||
| I will say, and Alex... | ||
| Is he literally saying that immigrants bring and carry diseases? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that so long as we don't have immigrants and we just wash our hands, there will be no diseases? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| But I wanted to say in fairness to Alex, but I mean the opposite. | ||
| He is mad at Trump about this. | ||
| About Trump saying people should get their shots. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Which at least is internally consistent with his... | ||
| Yeah, I guess. | ||
| But I want to make this perfectly clear before I get into any information here. | ||
| What Alex Jones just did in that last clip is a style of propaganda that would have been right at home in the Third Reich. | ||
| Claiming that immigrants and asylum seekers are spreading disease and causing outbreaks is a time-tested way to dehumanize a population in such a way as to treat them like things with no rights while maintaining the comfortable illusion that you're only killing them because if you don't, they'll get your community sick. | ||
| This is something that we've seen in history. | ||
| Never at good times. | ||
| Now, in terms of information, there are no experts who are saying that the current upticks we're seeing in measles and whooping cough are due to immigrants coming in who are spreading the disease. | ||
| Nazis and white nationalists online are spreading memes saying that. | ||
| But any epidemiologist or researcher at the CDC will tell you very clearly that these outbreaks are the result of people not getting their children vaccinated. | ||
| And I will tell you that they aren't getting their children vaccinated because they believe the bullshit people like Alex Jones... | ||
| And Donald Trump have been telling them for years. | ||
| The substance of what Alex is saying here doesn't even deserve discussion. | ||
| It's a soft plea to ethnic cleansing, and it's not even the first such plea Alex has made in this episode of our show. | ||
| This sort of rhetoric deserves condemnation, denunciation, and to be remembered the next time a white nationalist terrorist commits an act motivated by fears about immigration. | ||
| Rhetoric like this allows those fears to feel real and to feel pressing, and it allows the response of murder to feel justified. | ||
| Whether it's packaged as arguments that once Muslims make up 10% of the population, then they attack, or if it comes in the form of arguments that refugees from Central America are causing outbreaks by coming to the country, no matter the particular shape it takes on any given day, the message underneath is the same. | ||
| People who are not like you are a threat to you and your rightful future to sit atop an unbalanced ethnic power structure. | ||
| It really bothers me and it bums me out. | ||
| But when we hear like two different pitches to ethnic cleansing within a two day span on his show, two things that are really reminiscent of propaganda that gets people killed. | ||
| It's really, really hard for me to step back. | ||
| Maintain my position that this is somehow a coincidence, and somehow he's just so stupid. | ||
| He doesn't realize the sort of things that he's saying. | ||
| Like, oh, maybe his researchers, they know, and he's being fooled. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| That veneer falls away at a certain point. | ||
| I'm a huge fan of the First Amendment. | ||
| Just want to get that out there. | ||
| Huge fan. | ||
| Long-time lover, first-time talker. | ||
| Can you do that? | ||
| Can you call for ethnic cleansing on a public radio show? | ||
| Is that okay? | ||
| I feel like you can't do that. | ||
| That might be why he's on the side of the line that he is. | ||
| I think that probably you can't. | ||
| I think that probably is on the wrong side of free speech. | ||
| But it's not on the wrong side of free speech necessarily to say these things that are inspirational to quote-unquote lone wolf. | ||
| To say these sorts of things to make people feel like it's a ticking time bomb until there are enough Muslims around that they will hurt you. | ||
| To say that every one of these immigrants that's coming in is a potential carrier of smallpox. | ||
| We're concerned about the idea of people not getting vaccinated leading to the re-emergence of things like polio and smallpox. | ||
| But if you take Alex's rhetoric, every single person who's coming here illegally... | ||
| Is a potential for that to come? | ||
| If you introduce these ideas to your audience, then, I mean, you know that there's some percentage of them who are going to rightfully interpret that as you saying that these people existing is a threat to you. | ||
| I just don't see... | ||
| I mean, I guess there has to be a legal... | ||
| Yeah, I mean, there is a difference between justifying ethnic cleansing and calling for ethnic cleansing. | ||
| I get that. | ||
| But it feels like you can't have one without the other, and if we were to get rid of the I don't know. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I'm not a constitutional lawyer. | ||
| Well, apparently it doesn't really matter anyways. | ||
| I mean, this bums me out, and it makes me pretty mad, because I see a deterioration in the present day. | ||
| And I don't mean of his mental state or anything like that. | ||
| I see a quickening and a rapidness downward in terms of how dangerous the things he's saying are. | ||
| Whether it's... | ||
| Like, when we talked about it, I think it was maybe a week or so ago, when he was talking about the drag queen bingo, or not bingo, reading. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The drag queen story time. | ||
| When he was talking about that being like they want to take your kids and they're vampires and they're only trying to acclimate your children so they can kidnap them later. | ||
| And then an hour later he has a caller who says, I think I should be able to go in and shoot them. | ||
| I should take one into the parking lot and kill them. | ||
| He doesn't bat an eyelash. | ||
| And then... | ||
| In subsequent episodes, he continues with the rhetoric that he was saying about Drag Queen Storytime. | ||
| So, like, when we have stuff like that, you just... | ||
| You recognize, like, it's hard to phrase it any other way than just, like, it doesn't seem like he cares. | ||
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No. | |
| He doesn't care that a caller literally said, I should be able to kill these people. | ||
| And it's reinforced by the rhetoric that he, Alex... | ||
| Has said on the show and continues to say. | ||
| I don't know what to do. | ||
| I really don't. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I mean, in terms of our show, we keep doing what we do. | ||
| But I don't... | ||
| I become very uncomfortable with where this is legal. | ||
| This shouldn't be legal. | ||
| This shouldn't be legal. | ||
| It shouldn't be legal. | ||
| That's what I was trying to express. | ||
| I don't know... | ||
| I don't know where the line is, but I feel we're past it. | ||
| I think we're good. | ||
| I think we're well and truly past it. | ||
| I do not know how to end this episode at all. | ||
| I'm not feeling super optimistic. | ||
| I don't want to succumb to despair, but I think a lot of this stuff looks real bad, and part of the reason why I feel a little bit more gloomy than usual is probably because of the fucking neighbors keeping me up all weekend. | ||
| I think that there's a possibility for moving forward positively, but, man, every time I'm forced to listen to Hours of Alex in the present day, it just, man, man, this show is bad. | ||
| This show is dangerous. | ||
| Like, beneath the surface of the, like, sort of extensible political talk and, like, Trump is awesome kind of stuff, these soft pitches to ethnic cleansing being buried in there. | ||
| Are really, really fucking troubling. | ||
| And I just don't know how to not take that as seriously as it deserves to be treated. | ||
| And then I also just don't know how to respond appropriately to it. | ||
| I've never thought about that. | ||
| I've never thought about being in a position where I see what, if left to its own devices, could easily spiral into, all right, Muslims aren't allowed to breed. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I don't know what to say to that other than go fuck yourself. | ||
| I just never expected that I'd be in a position where someone would be expressing that sort of thing. | ||
| And maybe I'll be better at it next time. | ||
| But for now, let's end this so I don't ramble more about how I don't know what to say about this. | ||
| We got a website. | ||
| We do have a website. | ||
| It's knowledgefight.com. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| We're also on Twitter at knowledge underscore fight. | ||
| At GoToBedJordan. | ||
| We are on Facebook. | ||
| We are on Facebook. | ||
| iTunes, you can find us. | ||
| You could download the show. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You could go to the iTunes website. | ||
| We're on a lot of places. | ||
| I'm finding out. | ||
| We're on a lot of podcast aggregators and stuff like that. | ||
| Oh, yeah? | ||
| So there's a lot of people who probably listen to us on apps and stuff like that that I don't even fucking know exist. | ||
| Some of that is just how podcasting works. | ||
| It is 2019. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| There's a bunch of places. | ||
| But also, I appreciate people, there are a couple folks who brought it to our attention that Lumosity or whatever. | ||
| Yeah, I saw that. | ||
| Luminity or whatever the fuck had put our stuff up there. | ||
| I appreciate the heads up. | ||
| I've sent them an email saying we don't want to be on there. | ||
| We'll see. | ||
| We'll see if they care. | ||
| But I appreciate people looking out. | ||
| And I also apologize that I have no idea how any of you listen to our show. | ||
| I know about three things that exist. | ||
| One of them is iTunes. | ||
| I was super stoked about finding Overcast, guys. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| That's the second one I know exists because you've brought it up. | ||
| Don't know anything else. | ||
| But if you listen on other platforms, thank you very much. | ||
| We appreciate it. | ||
| I just don't know they exist. | ||
| Leave a review there. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But we'll be back next time. | ||
| But until then, Max Keiser offered Alex Jones $10,000 in Bitcoin. | ||
| But I have no evidence he's ever killed anybody. | ||
| One guy who has technically probably killed somebody is the guy who turned down $50 million. | ||
| And that's Alex Jones. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
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I'm a huge fan. | |
| I love your work. |