In Knowledge Fight #282, Dan Friesen and Jordan Holmes dissect Alex Jones’ April 5, 2019 episode, where he falsely ties Drag Queen Story Hour to pedophilia using debunked claims from Mass Resistance—an anti-LGBT hate group—like Houston’s 2017 library incidents (involving a 16-year-old and minor probation). Jones endorses QAnon’s conspiracy-laden rhetoric, funds Shannon’s baseless crusade, and amplifies blood libel tropes (vampires, clowns) while ignoring his own history of fabricated sources like "Zach." A caller even suggested vigilante killings, unchallenged by Jones, exposing how his demonization fuels real-world violence. [Automatically generated summary]
I just wanted to jump in real quick before the episode to give everyone a fair warning about the content that is upcoming on this episode.
We cover an episode of Alex's show that has a lot of gross stuff that Alex has to say about child abuse and a lot of anti-LGBT sentiment that he is expressing.
And if any of those things are things that you are very sensitive about, I wanted to not blindside you with any of this stuff.
I know Alex says all sorts of horrible things, pretty much any episode that we listen to, but some of it's particularly gross on this episode.
And so, hey, you know, you deserve to know what you're getting into, I guess.
And his whole character is that he comes out with his guitar.
And at the beginning of his run, he would come out and sing songs making fun of the city that he was in to get booed so someone could come out and beat him up.
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It's by way of being able to get a tattoo that signifies the time of this show and this sort of thing, but without ever getting anything that looks like Alex tattooed on my body, which was the struggle to figure out.
So before Alex gets to saying what he has to say about QAnon, he spends the entirety of the rest of the episode talking about something that I don't want to go over, but we got to.
So wait, just real quick, Alex there at the end says that he's doing it as well.
So if he gets sued over this eventually, then he's saying he's doing it as well.
He can't hide behind this.
We didn't investigate Sandy Hook.
We just repeated other people's stuff.
So that's good to note ahead of time because I think that what he's doing could end up leading, first of all, to people getting hurt, and second of all, to a possible lawsuit.
So one of the things that I need to point out before we get into any of this is that he doesn't know the details of the cases at all that he's talking about.
And he's just making stuff up to fit his narratives.
For instance, one of the people that he's talking about here committed their crime at the age of 16, so their records have been sealed.
And Alex can't possibly know what actually happened in that case.
And in the other case, the offender was punished with five months' probation, which seems like not the punishment you'd get from the crime that Alex is describing.
I don't know the details of it, and Alex can't either.
And neither can the people that he's getting this information from.
He's making a lot of assumptions in order to make it salacious to his listeners.
That's fucked up.
Beyond that, this is not the way I would have chosen to start this episode, but I can only really follow Alex's lead and respond to whatever he throws in my way.
In this case, we see that he chose to lead off with talking some real gross shit about the Drag Queen Story Hour, something that will play a major role in this broadcast here from the 5th of April Friday episode.
Honestly, I turned this on, and like I told you, my first thought is: nope, no need for this, but there's nothing else to do.
Owen Troy was hosting on Monday, so here we are.
One of the reasons this is particularly off-putting is because Alex isn't just making things up, but he's twisting and manipulating a kernel of reality into something horrendously bigoted.
Two drag queens associated with the Houston Story Hour, the Houston Drag Queen Story Hour offshoot, have been revealed to be sex offenders.
And Alex is taking this information and running with it to commit a horrible composition fallacy and argue that all of the queens are thus pedophiles and they're out to get your kids.
There are a number of issues here, and just so no one gets twisted about any of this stuff, nothing I'm going to say in this episode at all is defending the idea of letting sex offenders be around children.
That is, at very least, an unnecessary risk and definitely is inappropriate in a public library setting, for instance.
That is not what I'm taking issue with here at all.
I am concerned about this.
I sincerely am.
But my concern has zero to do with the Drag Queen Story Hour.
It has everything to do with Houston.
Drag Queen Story Hour is not a national organization with a corporate structure where the crew in each city is the same on different dates, like they go around touring.
There's a central organization with independent chapters that people have organized in cities around the world.
There's a page on their website where you can reach out and start your own satellite chapter if you want to, and it seems like a pretty easy process.
In March, when the first sex offender was discovered, the Houston Public Library released a statement in the news, or about this news.
Quote, in our review of our process and of this participant, we discovered that we failed to complete a background check as required by our own guidelines.
We deeply regret this oversight and the concern that this may cause our customers.
We realize this is a serious matter.
Running background checks on people who apply to run events is the responsibility of the venue, as is clearly discussed on the Drag Queen Story Hour's website on the page about starting your own chapter.
Quote: Some venues, especially public libraries or schools, may require a formal background check, as this is often the standard practice for anyone working with children.
That said, we hope this is applied to everyone.
We don't think drag performers should be singled out for special scrutiny, as we have every right to participate fully in our communities.
So their position on it is we understand that there'll probably be background checks, as there should be for everyone, and we are a part of everyone.
So, cool.
This is the story here.
It's not a story of drag queens being sex offenders or pedophiles.
It's a story about inappropriate levels of screening and oversight, specifically in the Houston public library system.
The second sex offender that was just recently discovered, and Alex is responding to in that clip, also was involved in an event at the Houston Public Library.
So, that's my position on this.
If Alex and his ilk want to complain about this, the thing to complain about is the Houston Library not following their own procedures.
Because you could do the same thing for librarians or teachers or coaches, you know, like youth pastors.
Well, if you want to say, you know, if you want to say that this is an endemic problem for drag queens, it's an endemic problem and more so for youth pastors.
I don't know the stats on it, but that very well may be the case.
And the other issue, too, is that the actual drag queen story hour organization doesn't know who all of the people who are participating in the events are.
They probably are in communication with the person who's organizing, let's say, the Seattle chapter of it or whatever.
And then that person subcontracts out the responsibility of finding the people to be involved.
There is a gap here in terms of oversight, but it's not a problem with the event itself.
So now another issue here is that the information Alex is working with is all coming from a group called Mass Resistance, which the SPLC lists as an anti-LGBT hate group.
And from what I can tell, there's good reason for that.
The group was founded in 1995 under the name Parents' Rights Coalition, but changed their name to Mass Resistance in 2006, quote, when our role as the true resistance to tyrannical government became clear.
The word mass in their name is short for Massachusetts.
And in 2003, the Massachusetts Supreme Court ruled that same-sex marriage should be permitted.
And then Governor Mitt Romney was reluctant to start a fight over the issue, which really pissed off homophobes, like this group, Mass Resistance, who saw equal rights as an expression of governmental tyranny.
Mass Resistance passes themselves off as, quote, pro-family as a group.
But if you scratch beneath the surface at all, or just look at the surface, it's super clear that all they really give a shit about is agitating against LGBT rights and access to abortion.
They support conversion therapy, which they call reparative therapy.
They believe that anti-bullying initiatives are secretly just about indoctrinating straight kids into being gay, which is the same complaint that they have about straight gay alliance organizations.
Also, in October 2008, 48-year-old Michael Olivio, an employee of Mass Resistance, got into a little bit of trouble for creeping around outside West Middle School in Andover, Massachusetts, and taking pictures of students.
I will read to you from the Andover Eagle Tribune.
This is actually kind of funny.
I mean, it's not, because this guy's a creep, but the way this plays out, if there's anything that's pretty funny on this episode, it's probably this.
So this guy who was working for Mass Resistance, their argument on it was that there was like a gay straight alliance meeting that was happening at the high school and he accidentally went to the middle school.
Whatever.
Even if that's the case, I still think you're a bunch of creeps.
No one can possibly know except for this dude, this Olivio dude.
So beyond all that, in a November 9th, 2018 post on their own website, and I have to stress this, their own website, Mass Resistance kind of admits to being liars, trying to demonize trans people.
Quote, our side concocted the bathroom safety male predator argument as a way to avoid any uncomfortable battles over LGBT ideology and still fire up people's emotions.
That should give you some sense of the kind of dicks who are behind the reporting that Alex is operating off of.
You know, we have a guy who ran naked away from a school after the police told him to leave when he was taking pictures of kids, and the sort of organization that's very willing to, on their website, say, we were bullshitting here trying to demonize trans people.
While it does appear true that there were two sex offenders who were involved in a drag queen story hour, specifically in Houston, and that is not good.
There's also no justification for demonizing the LGBT community or drag queens with that information, which is that Alex is going to proceed to do throughout this entire episode.
One final thought, and this is pointless, as we know that highlighting hypocrisy in people like Alex never really matters.
But what he's doing is identical to the thing he accuses the left of doing to gun owners.
When a gun enthusiast goes off and shoots a bunch of people, Alex screams bloody murder about how you can't blame all gun owners, which indicates that he understands that it's not right to apply the sins of an individual to the group that they're a part of.
He knows what he's doing is bullshit, but he doesn't care because it creates a potent emotional appeal to get his audience to hate the group that he wants them to hate for his own purposes.
And so that brings us up to speed with what the actual story is.
So a lot of this isn't going to be fun, but we'll get through it the best we can.
And it sets the stage for Alex talking about QAnon towards the end of the episode, which I think is important to recognize all of this in its proper context.
If I recall correctly, Alec got manslaughter for that.
Like, I don't think it was a murderer.
So he's not a convicted murderer.
But be that as it may, let's not dwell into that.
The only other possibility I can come up with is that he's referring to a September 2018 blog entry on Christian Post about how Franklin Graham was against the story hours.
The blog post includes discussion of Hochi Mochi, a drag queen who describes their persona as, quote, your resident killer clown from outer space.
This was also covered all over right-wing media, including posts on WorldNet Daily, among other places.
So it's clear that it's something that Alex very easily could have come across.
This person whose persona is a killer clown from outer space.
In terms of people getting a little bit violent in their language about the story hours, though, I submit to you Pat Robertson.
He got on his show not too far back, the 700 Club, and he decried the mainstreaming of the LGBT community, comparing it to what happened in Sodom and Gomorrah.
Quote, this was the original crime that led to the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, and the United States of America is on a very slippery ground.
It's not just some library that's going to be in trouble.
It's the whole population when God brings judgment.
Robertson went on to say, quote, they're men acting like women.
They used to call them he's, but they're reading books to children.
Library officials say it fits their version of inclusivity and diversity.
Give me a break.
If you read the Bible, there were a couple cities where they actually, the men tried to have sex with angels who were male figures, and God destroyed those cities.
So Pat Robertson is sort of insisting that this will bring destruction to all of us if we allow it to continue, which if you think about it, that justifies hurting these people or running them out of town or killing them.
And then, of course, we have James Green of Texas, who got arrested back in February for showing up to the Freed Montrose Library with a gun in an attempt to stop the Drag Queen Story Hour, in his words, attempt to stop it.
He was a self-described Trump supporter and claimed he was being arrested after he had made a big scene.
He got arrested, and he said it was because he's a white Christian.
I think that that clip, especially parts of it, we're hunting you, all that sort of stuff, we're going to terrorize you.
All that stuff's not going to play well in court.
Like, if there's some sort of a lawsuit about this eventually, I know that I'm starting to listen to Alex Jones in the present day, especially through the prism of history.
Like, I've already become detached from the present.
I remember growing up reading the Bible and hearing Jesus say, you should turn the other cheek and you should forgive even those who have transgressed the ghost upon you.
So in this next clip, Alex is in the middle of reading a list of news articles about just acts, crimes that he's ascribing to Muslims, and then asserting that these news organizations don't point out that the people who committed these crimes are Muslims.
And he brings up one that I take particular issue with, which we will discuss in a couple of seconds on the other end of this clip.
So you can hear there from that the point that he's trying to make is they don't say it, they don't say that it's Muslims.
The article that Alex is referencing as hiding the fact that the perpetrators of this crime are Muslims is actually one of the articles that we went over when we were discussing the reality of the grooming gang narrative and how it plays into the anti-immigrant and anti-Islam propaganda that's on the rise around the world.
While Alex is correct that the headline doesn't identify the gang members this woman was victimized by as Muslims, that fact is brought up in the sixth sentence of the article and is mentioned repeatedly throughout it.
The only conceivable way for someone to think that they were covering up the fact that these particular criminals were Muslims would be to literally not even try to read the article and just assume that headlines are all that exists.
Now, it bears repeating that this article was written by a survivor of one of these gangs, and her perspective is being disrespected by how Alex is using this article.
From the text, quote, in mainland Europe, conflict surrounding immigrants and refugees has been fueled by stories of women being raped by migrants.
People have been calling for violent attacks against any Muslims and have declared war on Islam.
If anything, rising anti-Muslim hate will probably make groomers stronger in their convictions and drive ordinary young Muslim men toward fundamentalism, grooming gangs, and terrorism.
This survivor even directly discusses Alex's good buddy, Tommy Robinson, and his bigot group, the English Defense League.
Quote, for Tommy Robinson and his followers to focus on an entire religion based on the cruel interpretations of some scriptures by some people is unhelpful, to say the least.
Most grooming gang survivors I know absolutely condemn anti-Islamic hate, and we're uncomfortable with English Defense League protests.
We certainly don't want random attacks on all Muslims.
You can't cure harm with more harm.
Alex is pretending that he's standing up for victims of these crimes, but in reality, all he's doing is trying to demonize the entirety of Islam, and the way he's doing it is particularly distasteful.
I mean, really think about this.
What he's doing is taking the first-hand account of a survivor of the crime he's so upset about, lying about it by pretending that that account covers up the fact that the perpetrators were Muslim, then arrives at a conclusion that is in direct opposition to what the writer, a survivor of this crime, advocates for.
This is an abusive level of non-journalism, and just so clearly indicative of what he's all about.
That combination of very real, disgusting thoughts being surrounded by this ironic sense of, look at how much fun I'm having.
Like, listen to those fake laughs and shit like that.
If you just heard, if you heard that was the first one, if that was the first clip of Alex's that you heard, it wouldn't surprise me at all if you were like, oh, see, he's just being an asshole.
He's doing this to like rile people up, and you guys are just overreacting because you're all maybe.
Like, because of that, that ending, like, like, come on, you're fuck off.
Ladies and gentlemen, if there was an army of financed pedophiles and their supporters dressing as clowns to disguise themselves, being given access to children as young as three, convicted pedophiles.
Would you want to know about it?
Would you want to stand up against it?
Or would you be like local Houston news that laughed and said, got to get them while they're young?
A lot of folks are joining the globalist team right now.
A lot of people are showing the world and they're willing to do whatever it takes for their father Lucifer to give them power.
I think that Alex probably dodged another defamation lawsuit by just saying local Houston news and not saying what he's talking about because no one said that.
The only thing that comes close to approximating that is articles that people have written about the idea of upending bigotry by having association with and awareness and contact with people of different lifestyles, different identities, different races, different occupations even.
Like that sort of thing does lead you to not have whatever prejudice take over in your mind.
You can't have, like, let's say just on a very simple level, you can't think that all construction workers are stupid.
If when you're younger, you meet construction workers who are nice and thoughtful and kind and that sort of thing.
You will have a positive association with construction workers that stereotypes won't be able to penetrate.
And that's the argument of get them while they're young.
That's the only place where that argument has ever been used.
So Alex has Tracy Shannon on from Mass Resistance.
And here is her first volley, I would say, in the interview where she argues, I think, I think what she's arguing is that the First Amendment does not protect drag.
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The First Amendment is not there to protect lewdness and promotion of sexuality, sexual behavior, and ideas are reflective of adult sexual content, or it can promote sexuality.
Yeah, I mean, the only thing that if they want to keep doing this, because they always do this reactively, they're always like, the First Amendment doesn't protect this.
The First Amendment does protect this.
Then before we even start with any of those arguments, before you start doing this in single servings, if the right wing wants to fucking put down a goddamn list of what the First Amendment they think protects and doesn't protect, then we can have a conversation about it.
I mean, like, if you really take this line, then what you're going to do is create, I don't know, a brutally repressive authoritarian government that has authority over things as minute as what clothes you're allowed to wear.
He's horribly against tyranny, unless it's the tyranny that upholds his bigotry and the positions that he wants to be reinforced, which is the status quo of white male supremacist heterosexual hegemony.
So if she wanted to take this information that she'd found and demand that the Houston library system do a better job and actually do the things that are in their protocols to begin with that they failed to do, great.
But it's not okay to then take this and use it to hold cloth, I guess, attack a group of people to commit this composition fallacy where these people are representative of the group as a whole.
Right.
And then also to sort of encourage almost vigilanteism.
Like, because her example is being used as, like, we all need to be digging into all of these people that we disagree with and stuff like that.
A mother, a grandmother's doing it, and we're doing it.
Unless you're supporting us, a show critical supporting you.
I mean, I want to talk to you about putting you in charge of a whole nationwide operation because I don't have that much money, but I've got enough money, I think, to bring down a couple hundred of these guys.
Yeah, you know, I guess the corollary for me would be somebody who saw a picture of a cop with his uniform off and he's got white nationalist tattoos on there, right?
And so you report that shit.
But that doesn't mean that I think we need to hunt down every cop.
You know, we need to investigate every single cop.
Right.
The whole point is that there's a screening system, although it's not really that.
And when you find failings in that screening system, it is important to point those things out because then you can improve the screening system and you thereby eliminate the problem that you ostensibly are upset about.
And if you don't focus on the things that can actually make a difference, it does reveal that you don't actually care about the thing that you're presenting as caring about.
So Alex at the end says that LGBT means P, which we know what he's talking about.
And then she is saying that these people cannot be criticized in any way.
And I believe that that applies to the whole LGBT community, which seems to imply that you think that this is a subsection of it.
So that's great.
That's great.
Because that really shows some cards of what she thinks she's working with and working against, which is why this ostensibly okay thing, which is doing the oversight that Houston's library system failed to do, turns incredibly bad.
Because your motivation is not fixing the holes in a system or doing secondary checks or whatever, what you're interested in is demonizing people in the LGBT community.
And that means that the directions you're going to go are going to be fucked up, as we already see.
She's allowing herself to be, and she's probably thrilled to be doing it.
She's being used as a resource for Alex to do his inspirational terrorism, basically.
So having failed to make any progress in the legal system, it appears that she switched tactics and decided to walk into the realm of propaganda and smear campaigns.
Judging by her Twitter account, before she got involved with this hustle, she was basically just an angry Trump fan, tweeting out everything that's in line with that media sphere's narratives.
Interestingly, she seems to retweet almost everything Charlie Kirk tweets, which is an impressive level of sad.
I was going to dig in and try and find out more about her, but after seeing this little glimpse and remembering that she's involved in a group that literally admitted on their own website that they make shit up to demonize the LGBT community, I realized there wasn't much of a point in looking into her more.
So Alex is implying that Sylvester Turner, the mayor of Houston since 2016, is compromised.
And that's why he's supporting the Drag Queen Story Hours and the LGBT community in general.
In order to make this claim, he brings up the 2017 Super Bowl, which was held at the NRG Stadium in Houston.
There's a little scandal around that Super Bowl, as Turner used taxpayer funds from Houston First, the city's tourism board, to pay for himself and 16 guests to attend the game.
However, that story was reported by Houston's ABC affiliate approximately a month after the Super Bowl, so I'm not sure how that could be used to blackmail him.
So I have my suspicions that what Alex is really doing here is he's trying to attack the sincerity of a government official who's changed their position on LGBT issues.
In 2005, Turner voted against allowing gay and lesbian people from being foster parents.
In 2003, he voted to ban same-sex marriage.
As recently as 2013, he, quote, voted against a proposal to gather statistics on bullying incidents based on sexual orientation and gender identity, which was part of what got him a D-rating from Equality Texas.
However, he's since changed his tune.
And as of 2015, he has an A-plus rating from Equality Texas and has been a vocal advocate about supporting complete equality.
Turner has said, quote, I think many Americans, if not most Americans, have evolved over the last 10 years on LGBT issues, and I include myself in that group.
People evolve, and I think that's what we want people to do.
That's one explanation, though a more cynical reading may be that in 2015, he was running for mayor, whereas before he'd been a state representative with a 27-year tenure whose position was far less vulnerable to having shitty positions.
So there might be a little bit of a cynical explanation for it, or he might be sincere.
I'm not entirely sure.
Whatever the case, Alex can't allow the possibility to exist that someone was anti-LGBT rights, then learned more, heard about the issues, talked to people most affected by those positions, and then decided to change their ideas and their positions.
That's threatening to his worldview.
So to assuage that fear, he has to introduce the idea that anyone who comes around to supporting LGBT rights is most likely being blackmailed.
It's a really dumb idea, but one that's low-key, far more dangerous and insidious than it might first appear.
Like that clip, you could probably breeze past it.
The idea, like, oh, he's probably compromised or whatever.
But what's behind it, I really do believe, is the fact that he changed his position on these issues.
Yeah, you know, it's like I voted for this guy for, you know, over and over and over again to be a state representative, and he was really anti-gay, and then he started talking to people and changed his opinion, and I respect him, so maybe I should try to talk to people and change my opinion.
No, he was blackmailed?
Okay, then never mind.
I hate him now, and I don't have to think about it ever again.
So you might be questioning kind of, I mean, not that idea because it's stupid, but you might be asking a little bit of like, how does this blackmail conception work?
So his research has shown that the LGBTQ community takes thousands of hits of ecstasy in, I would assume, a short period of time in order to become vessels for demons.
Now, that only makes sense if you do accept that they died horribly from overdosing and then a demon actually implanted themselves in their bodies.
Second thing, these drag queen story hours are not about validating these people's choices or lifestyles or identities through children.
What it is, is about representation of people of different identities, different lives.
The kids seeing these people and not thinking that they are something crazy, some sort of boo-radley entity to be afraid of and run past, that sort of thing.
It is not about validating those people.
It is about helping the children not develop into being dicks.
And all you're doing is fighting to maintain the status quo that existed before, which is these people are invisible.
They don't deserve to be seen in public.
And if they are, they should be treated with scorn and derision.
And any child who feels like, you know, I might be inclined in this direction should be taught to be ashamed of it and probably hate themselves and commit suicide.
Or will yell at them and then pretend that we tried to help.
I mean, he's using blood libel ideas, drunk on the blood of our children, that sort of thing.
This is classical anti-Semitism, whether or not it's directed towards people who are Jewish.
It is still the same ideas that have been used to demonize Jewish people for centuries.
And we already know that's a part of his conception of the bad guys, which isn't good.
Now, here's where Alex explains what he thinks the drag queen story hours are for, because he believes that there is a it's it's not about literacy and acceptance and people seeing each other as people, that sort of thing.
Because you wouldn't protect children from pedophiles dressed like clowns?
That's how it goes down.
That's how it all ends?
That's who wrangles your children into the trucks, into the vans.
And they want your children not to run when they're in the disguises and the van pulls up.
They want them to have already been at story time five or six times, so they've learned to stop just long enough to be grabbed off that front yard because the kid didn't listen.
As you can see from Alex's conception, he believes that the idea of this drag queen story time hour is in order to make kids not afraid of the people who are going to throw them in vans later, which is fucked up.
That is so fucked up.
I mean, because it's just the way of repurposing what it really is.
It's a way of reframing the idea of acceptance and embracing people and making it sinister, which I guess is kind of what he does all the time.
But it's so overt.
And the correlation is so easy.
Or the connection between reality and his lie are so easy to see that it's just so fucked up.
And then when you attach it to demonic ideas and the idea that they're only trying to prepare your kids to be kidnapped, how else are you supposed to respond to it?
Like you said earlier in the episode, then like we have to stop them.
So this next clip's a little longer, but it is what I would describe as absolute insanity.
I know that Alex is somewhat performing, but also this is not like this is there's something that he's tapping into that is deep-seated within him, and it's incredibly gross.
There's some blood libelli ideas in here, too, again, but this is just absolutely ludicrous.
It's laughably offensive about the people he's talking about.
Yeah.
And really, what I'm more interested in, I'm less interested in being like, well, what he's talking about here is we all know that there's blood libely aspects to that, and then Alex's just weird sort of fantasies about demons around every corner and his inability or unwillingness to understand anything about fiction like it.
And I think the reason they're so petrified of Trump is he's attempting and will shut down a worldwide, thousands of year long, probably criminal enterprise.
And it's been their way of life since before you and I were on the planet, and now it's coming to an end, and they're kicking and screaming and wiping fleeces on the walls, trying to, they're not going to know what else to do.
So this guy is expressing that there is a thousand-year criminal operation that the Democrats are in, and they're afraid that Trump is going to blow that up.
Right.
This is an interesting idea, and it'll come into play later.
One thing you say that I like is you don't need orders from headquarters.
Well, a civilian, a parent or a legal guardian, doesn't need the police, in my eyes, being the cop, to go to the school and grab that drag queen and drag them out in the parking lot and dispose of them.
If you're in that school and you're in kids and somebody's not stopping it, I should have the legal right to go in there and put you down without repercussions.
You have now on my show twice in two sentences, or maybe even one run-on sentence, said that you should have the legal right to murder these people because you disagree with their lifestyle, with their identity, however you want to frame it.
Whatever it is, this guy, and I don't know if you caught that, he's a cop.
At very least, Alex has a fucking responsibility to be like, and he's like, you know, we're going to run their plates and follow the law.
Whatever.
No, he has a responsibility to say, absolutely not.
You do not have the right to kill people just because you disagree with them.
But he can't.
Because earlier in the show, he said that they want to prepare your kids to be thrown in vans and they're going to drink their blood and feast on their flesh.
That sort of thing can't exist in a moderate world.
It can't exist in a place where what you're prescribing, what you're advocating, is let's follow the process and make sure that the library is actually going through with the background checks that they're supposed to be going through so we can make sure that whatever potential damage or whatever potential possible damage is mitigated.
Because these people, like the Houston Library also put out a statement that was like, we fucked up all that stuff.
We didn't follow our own process.
But in that same statement, they're like, we already have in place whenever there's anything that has to do with kids, any event with children, nobody is left alone with children ever already.
There were no complaints about any of these people.
Of course, there was no incident, but we're not using that as a way to say we didn't do anything wrong.
No, absolutely not.
But we have other safeguards in place.
But still, the conversation that Alex is having cannot involve the correct conversation.
It can only inspire people like this guy to feel entitled to murder people.
So whenever we talk about a lot of this stuff, like, you know, taking it quite seriously throughout this episode, the things that Alex is putting into the world, the ideas, the rhetoric that he uses, one of the reasons is because it exists with this.
This caller being on the show is not a surprise to me.
The caller expressing ideas like that is exactly what you would expect people who internalize and believe what Alex says to hear from what he's saying.
So whenever you are saying earlier in the episode, when you hear this stuff, how can you not think you should kill these people?
Because they are going to only, they're harming your children.
Why wait until they actually do the thing that you're afraid of?
Whenever you say stuff like that, I think that people could hear you making a leap that is inappropriate or something like that, but it's not.
Because all we have to do is get to the end of the episode when Alex takes calls from his listeners to hear them having that exact same thought, but not being afraid of that thought, thinking it's the right thing to do.
And again, it's stupid to point out hypocrisy, but think if somebody called in to fucking our show and was like, whenever, you know what?
When trans people hear that kind of rhetoric from somebody, they should have every legal right to go and kill that person because the end result of his behavior and his language is going to be the murder and harassment and abuse of people in the LGBT community.
Because if someone calls in your show and expresses something like that, you have to recognize that that's a symptom of a major problem.
And that problem is something that you have a responsibility to deal with because you are putting out the ideas into the world that's making people think things like this.
So you have a slight responsibility, I believe, to take a step back and have a bit of an educational moment where you can be like, guys, things have gotten a little bit out of hand.
I know I said that they were drinking blood, and I totally think that's true, but we live in a civilized society, and if somebody's drinking blood, you can't just go around killing them.
And one of the reasons that I'm very afraid of the idea that someone's going to hurt one of these people or kill them at any of these story hours is that we have a clear example here of someone thinking it's okay to express that on a radio show.
On a national radio show, the discourse is so toxic and so dangerous that that isn't an idea that Alex even pushes back against.
It's not like when he comes back from break, he's like, wow, that caller said something.
It's just allowed to exist as something that isn't taboo.
It's not something that is beyond the line.
And so the idea that someone might think, like, maybe I should do this, it seems within the realm of possibility to me.
And if that does happen, I do hope that Alex gets sued again.
Like, I know that when we started the show two years ago, I was very insistent about the idea that I think that Alex is on the right side of a lot of laws.
They've seen Trump, and they feel so energized and excited that it's almost, it's less possible and more fucking probable at this point that we're going to see a crime.
And remember, this is the same guy who said that he should be able to shoot a drag queen who's at a reading at a library because he disagrees with them and he shouldn't be punished.
There was a whole nonsensical back and forth there.
And I think that Alex is referring to that, or it's possible that it's Steve Pieczenik.
Those are the two possible people who led Alex to be against QAnon.
To be against cues.
Well, no, he didn't know that there is multiple cues or something.
I don't know.
I don't know if there are, but this is Alex's way to be able to accept the bigger picture of QAnon without still being able to say, like, no, I don't believe that.
I'm only going to attribute certain things to Q whenever I want to, and then a caller can call in and say something stupid, and I'll be like, yeah, that's the real Q.
But I think Alex also is probably signaling in some ways that he's come to a point where he realizes that there's a very real possibility that the QAnon audience is bigger than his.
I wanted to go back and talk a little bit about what Alex used to say about QAnon as a little bit of a sort of refresher.
Now, we'll recall that in 2018, on Christmas Eve, Alex Jones was in studio, and he told the world that he had told Roger Stone to get in touch with Julian Assange.
And I have come into the office to stream this emergency transmission on YouTube and Facebook.
Facebook.
Because if this doesn't get major attention and if this doesn't break through into the public's psyche, the globalists have a decent chance of killing the president in the next two weeks and taking over the media using the emergency alert system, the Obama kill switch that's still in place to really bring this country into a civil emergency is what we're trying to call it, but it's really martial law.
Now, in the last few months, I have followed, but never really spoken of, QAnon or Q Anonymous.
And a lot of what QAnon has said, I've already gotten separately from my White House sources, my Pentagon sources, my CIA sources.
So he's making himself what the people who are listening to QAnon are actually talking about.
We are what you're talking about.
We are the change that you want to see in the world with your piddly online QAnon bullshit.
And the reason that he was on that tip and the reason that he was sort of dismissive of QAnon is because at that point, he is trying to push Zach at his fake intelligence source as the real QAnon, and it's not taken off.
So Alex was mad that Zach was not as popular as QAnon.
And I believe that that's probably one of the main things that he had against QAnon, is that he had his own version of it that he was trying to push and that it wasn't as popular.
So the reason that I bring that back up is to show just a little bit of a only, you know, what is it, a year and a couple months, year and a half ago or so.
That was the position, and the official editorial position Alex had on QAnon.
It was anti because Zach was the real one and Zach was in the house.
So there's some angles being played, and it might be a part of why he hasn't figured out how to eat Crow yet.
I haven't figured out how to work what I used to say about Zach into my new position.
I'm interested to see where it develops, but honestly, I have no idea because Alex is now in Los Angeles, and he's making a tour through all of the Death Squad podcasts.
In terms of fan service, I might bite the bullet and go ahead and do that, but I'm not interested in it.
I wasn't interested in this episode either, except for as a message, or I guess as something that is important to point out, because a lot of the stuff is stuff we've seen before, like rank, transphobia, anti-LGBT messaging, the conflation of cross-dressing, drag queen performance and trans folk, that sort of stuff.
We've seen that horrible rhetoric pushed out into the world before, but the directness of how much this is trying to get people hurt, and then the caller calling in saying, I should be able to kill these people if I want to with no consequences, I think is a new level of demonstrable danger that Alex is perpetuating and putting into the world.
So I think it's worth discussing for that.
And then no one would have let us get away with not talking about Alex going to QAnon.
But it's such a small part of this episode.
Like it could in the future turn out to be something major.
Like this could be the kernel of Alex pivoting some narratives and that being his new direction.
Where we go one, we go all nonsense.
He could, but that's left to be seen.
This could be a small blip, and it just be a marketing ploy on his part in some way to tap into a fertile market that he feels he doesn't have access to.
We'll see on that.
But what's not up for debate is how dangerous the rhetoric that he's putting out vis-à-vis the Drag Queen story hour stuff is.
And none of this at all, as a reminder, none of this is in any way supporting or defending those two individuals who were sex offenders who were involved in the Drag Queen story hours.
I really appreciate doing this because it is I think it's really important to keep this in front of our faces and in front of as many faces as possible.
Because there would be an absolute instinct of like, well, we already know how he feels about trans people.
We don't even need to talk about it because everybody already knows.
But I think it's really important to keep it coming back up just so you're always confronted with the reality of what people are saying.