Today, Dan and Jordan discuss the April 5th episode of The Alex Jones Show, where Alex makes a public overture to the QAnon Crowd. Unfortunately, that is a very small part of the episode, which is mostly just Alex being really gross, and behaving in ways that will probably get people hurt.
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| Hey everybody, Dan here. | ||
| I just wanted to jump in real quick before the episode to give everyone a fair warning about the content that is upcoming on this episode. | ||
| We cover an episode of Alex's show that has a lot of gross stuff that Alex has to say about child abuse and a lot of anti-LGBT sentiment that he is expressing. | ||
| And if any of those things are things that you are very sensitive about, I wanted to not blindside you with any of this stuff. | ||
| I know Alex says... | ||
| All sorts of horrible things, pretty much any episode that we listen to, but some of it's particularly gross on this episode, and so, hey, you know, you deserve to know what you're getting into, I guess. | ||
| Anyway, take care, and here's the episode. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Alex, I'm a first-time caller. | |
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your work. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Hey, everybody. | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
| I'm Jordan. | ||
| We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk about Alex Jones. | ||
| Indeed we are, Dan. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| Dan? | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| When was the last time you watched WrestleMania? | ||
| Actually, just over the weekend. | ||
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What? | |
| Watched some grappling. | ||
| Watched some graps. | ||
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Watched some grappling? | |
| Some graps? | ||
| Some graps. | ||
| Yeah, I had a very nice time. | ||
| Watched the 35th WrestleMania, and because everybody needs to know my opinions on wrestling, I'd like to give a shout-out to a couple of my favorite moments from the show. | ||
| Now, granted, I thought that Kofi Kingston winning the championship was fantastic. | ||
| I thought it was great, but I knew that was going to happen. | ||
| There's no way leading into that that I thought for a second that Daniel Bryan was going to retain the championship after that build. | ||
| There was such a weird racial overtone to the build. | ||
| The idea of Vince being like, people like you don't become champion and stuff like that. | ||
| That sort of idea. | ||
| If Kofi lost, it would send the weirdest storytelling message. | ||
| I wouldn't put it past the WWE. | ||
| If Kofi lost and then somebody put a MAGA hat on Daniel Bryan? | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| Might as well call it there, guys. | ||
| I wouldn't put it past the WWE, but I also thought if they want to move forward, I really don't think that has much storytelling potential. | ||
| So I loved that moment, and I loved the match, and I thought it was great, but again, I expected it. | ||
| what I did not expect was there's this guy named Elias. | ||
| Okay. | ||
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And his whole character is that he comes out with his guitar and at the beginning of his run he would come out and sing songs making fun of the city that he was in. | |
| That's fun. | ||
| To get booed so someone could come out and beat him up. | ||
| That's nice. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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He's a court jester. | |
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Of course! | ||
| He's a court jester! | ||
| So people started to like him. | ||
| He started to turn into a good guy for a bit, and then the people who write the show couldn't figure it out, and he's back to being a bad guy or whatever. | ||
| But his segment at WrestleMania was amazing. | ||
| So what he did is he had a video, right? | ||
| There was a pre-recorded video of himself playing piano and drums. | ||
| Well, that's simultaneously? | ||
| Split screen? | ||
| Two different videos, but they're synced up so he could interact with them. | ||
| And then he's in the ring. | ||
| Like a David Cross H. John Benjamin bit. | ||
| He's in the ring playing guitar along with himself on drums and piano. | ||
| It's so bizarrely surreal. | ||
| That's fantastic. | ||
| For WrestleMania, there's 80,000 people in the arena. | ||
| That's fantastic. | ||
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And they're doing this ridiculous nonsense. | |
| This musical number? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I love it. | ||
| It was fantastic. | ||
| Bolly Mania is what it's called now. | ||
| I loved it so much, and I thought it was absurd that the WWE let him do that. | ||
| And so I really enjoyed that. | ||
| And then he got interrupted by John Cena. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Who was not announced to be there. | ||
| He's not a musical fan. | ||
| He's not a fan. | ||
| Well, little do you know, he used to have a character where he was the doctor of thuganomics. | ||
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What? | |
| John Cena was the doctor of Thuganomics? | ||
| Before he was all about the military and saluting people and stuff like that, his character was he was a battle rapper. | ||
| How did I not know this? | ||
| He recorded an album that actually has a couple good songs on it. | ||
| Bad Bad Man is a really good song. | ||
| Marty, turn me around on that one. | ||
| I feel like that's a Flight of the Conchords bit. | ||
| So John Cena comes out as the Doctor of Thuganomics character. | ||
| The hip-hop eponymous and the Rhymenoceros are flanking him. | ||
| He's back in his old character. | ||
| It's fantastic. | ||
| He comes out and he has some battle rap lines that he says to Elias. | ||
| And then he beats him up and leaves. | ||
| Alright, that's good. | ||
| It was fantastic. | ||
| I thought it was well executed. | ||
| I enjoyed the hell out of it. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| So anyway, I love the Iconics. | ||
| I love Elias. | ||
| I love Elias now. | ||
| I give WrestleMania four stars. | ||
| Go home and tell your mother you're brilliant. | ||
| Wonderful. | ||
| It was fantastic. | ||
| All right. | ||
| I expected nothing out of it, and I got almost nothing but entertainment. | ||
| A couple of slow matches that I think they could have left off the card, but who gives a shit? | ||
| I can't. | ||
| Fantastic. | ||
| I can't believe. | ||
| Since I stopped watching professional wrestling when I was 11 or 12, even then I never would have expected a full-on musical number. | ||
| That's amazing. | ||
| Yeah, it was great. | ||
| That's fantastic. | ||
| And the fact that it was so surreal. | ||
| I tipped my hat. | ||
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Yep. | |
| Something else I tipped my hat to is a couple of new donors. | ||
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Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. | |
| Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. | ||
| Daddy Shark. | ||
| Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. | ||
| He's a loser little titty baby. | ||
| I don't want to hate black people. | ||
| I renounce Jesus Christ. | ||
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| Indeed. | ||
| Some people in our group on Facebook have discovered that the next goal that we're working towards is me getting a tattoo. | ||
| The Life's Very Fragile tattoo? | ||
| Yes, and apparently that has encouraged some people to sign up towards my inking. | ||
| And I'd like to say thank you in advance to them. | ||
| Worth every penny, guys. | ||
| Yeah, it'll be great. | ||
| It's my way of being able to get a tattoo that signifies the time of this show and this sort of thing, but without ever getting anything that looks like Alex tattooed on my body, which was the struggle to figure out. | ||
| Are you sure you're done with just a microphone? | ||
| No, that's not specific enough. | ||
| So, Jordan, today we are going over... | ||
| On our last episode we did April 4th. | ||
| That was Thursday last week. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| We've got six months to live. | ||
| Six months until civilization collapses. | ||
| Oh, that's right. | ||
| We can still live. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| It'll just be difficult. | ||
| We'll be eating cans of peas. | ||
| Underground. | ||
| Well, we went different directions. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I was thinking of hobo. | ||
| Bean can. | ||
| Right in the rails? | ||
| You're talking about being a Morlock. | ||
| That's what I've always dreamt of. | ||
| So we did that fourth, and I told you that I didn't have enough time to get to the fifth. | ||
| And I did intend to, but I also didn't want to. | ||
| For some reasons, it'll become very clear. | ||
| And I was kind of thinking about, like, maybe we'll just dip our toe in, and then we'll talk about Monday's episode. | ||
| Alex is in L.A., so Owen Schroer was hosting on Monday. | ||
| So we got nothing to go over on Monday. | ||
| All the Project Camelot stuff stinks. | ||
| I watched an episode of Dave Dobbenmeier and I'm like, what am I even doing? | ||
| He's not even worth insulting. | ||
| This is a terrible show. | ||
| I can see the moment of realization in your head. | ||
| You're, what, like 13 minutes in. | ||
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You're looking and listening to him and you're just going... | |
| This man is crazy. | ||
| Why am I thinking about this? | ||
| Thirteen minutes in is not even close. | ||
| Thirteen minutes in, he's still talking about, like, churches that he's going to be at. | ||
| He's still doing plugs. | ||
| He's still plugging! | ||
| And trying to make sure everyone's in the fucking Skype hangout or whatever. | ||
| That's right, there's fifteen people. | ||
| It's terrible. | ||
| It's very bad show. | ||
| So stupid. | ||
| Very bad show. | ||
| And so I realized, like, let's just do it. | ||
| We gotta do it. | ||
| There's a lot of people who have also wanted us to go over this episode. | ||
| And what I was going to do is I was just going to go over the part that people wanted us to talk about and then cover something else. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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And that thing is that Alex apparently is coming around on QAnon. | |
| Oh. | ||
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And we'll get to that at the end of this episode. | |
| Okay. | ||
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But one of the reasons I think people are kind of missing a little bit of the forest for the trees. | |
| There's much bigger issues going on in this episode than Alex sort of embracing QAnon. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Rob Dew started a spinoff show called QAnon with QAnon, I believe. | |
| I would respect that a little bit, because that would be enterprising. | ||
| That would show initiative, would show hustle. | ||
| He'd get a promotion. | ||
| Yeah, from me. | ||
| He'd be PJ Dubs. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| So, before Alex gets to saying what he has to say about QAnon, he spends the entirety of the rest of the episode talking about something that I don't want to go over, but we got to. | ||
| And you'll get why pretty quickly. | ||
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Imagine a Stephen King novel. | |
| Love this song, by the way. | ||
| Where all over the Western world, convicted pedophiles, child rapists, and worse, disguise themselves as clowns. | ||
| They then call themselves drag queens. | ||
| And while disguised, openly are given admittance to elementary schools, nursery schools, public parks. | ||
| Where they then prey directly on children. | ||
| Ladies and gentlemen, a group in Houston has busted their second convicted child rapist. | ||
| Both men were convicted of raping six-year-old boys. | ||
| They heavily hid their identities, used multiple aliases. | ||
| But the group, Mass Resistance, was able to track them and find out their real identities. | ||
| They're now tracking others. | ||
| I will let you know we are doing it as well. | ||
| Boots on the ground. | ||
| So wait, just real quick, Alex there at the end says that he's doing it as well. | ||
| So if he gets sued over this eventually, then he's saying he's doing it as well. | ||
| He can't hide behind this. | ||
| We didn't investigate Sandy Hook. | ||
| We just repeated other people's stuff. | ||
| So that's good to note ahead of time because I think that what he's doing... | ||
| Could end up leading, first of all, to people getting hurt, and second of all, to a possible lawsuit. | ||
| So one of the things that I need to point out before we get into any of this is that he doesn't know the details of the cases at all that he's talking about, and he's just making stuff up to fit his narratives. | ||
| For instance, one of the people that he's talking about here committed their crime at the age of 16, so their records have been sealed. | ||
| And Alex can't possibly know what actually happened in that case. | ||
| And in the other case, the offender was punished with five months probation, which seems like not the punishment you'd get from the crime that Alex is describing. | ||
| I don't know the details of it, and Alex can't either. | ||
| And neither can the people that he's getting this information from. | ||
| He's making a lot of assumptions in order to make it salacious to his listeners. | ||
| That's fucked up. | ||
| Beyond that, this is not the way I would have chosen to start this episode, but I can only really follow Alex's lead and respond to whatever he throws in my way. | ||
| In this case, we see that he chose to lead off with talking some real gross shit about the Drag Queen Story Hour, something that will play a major role in this broadcast here from the 5th of April, Friday episode. | ||
| Honestly, I turned this on, and like I told you, my first thought is, nope, no need for this, but there's nothing else to do. | ||
| Owen Troyer is hosting on Monday, so here we are. | ||
| One of the reasons this is particularly off-putting is because Alex isn't just making things up, but he's twisting and manipulating a kernel of reality into something horrendously bigoted. | ||
| Two drag queens associated with the Houston Story Hour, the Houston Drag Queen Story Hour offshoot, have been revealed to be sex offenders. | ||
| And Alex is taking this information and running with it to commit a horrible composition fallacy and argue that all of the queens are thus pedophiles and they're out to get your kids. | ||
| There are a number of issues here, and just so no one gets twisted about any of this stuff, nothing I'm going to say in this episode at all is defending the idea of letting sex offenders be around children. | ||
| That is, at very least, an unnecessary risk, and definitely is inappropriate in a public library setting, for instance. | ||
| That is not what I'm taking issue with here at all. | ||
| I am concerned about this. | ||
| I sincerely am. | ||
| But my concern has zero to do with the Drag Queen Story Hour. | ||
| It has everything to do with Houston. | ||
| Drag Queen Story Hour is not a national organization with a corporate structure where the crew in each city is the same on different dates, like they go around touring. | ||
| There's a central organization with independent chapters that people have organized in cities around the world. | ||
| There's a page on their website where you can reach out and start your own satellite chapter if you want to, and it seems like a pretty easy process. | ||
| In March, when the first sex offender was discovered, the Houston Public Library released a statement about this news. | ||
| Quote, In our review of our process and of this participant, we discovered that we failed to complete a background check as required by our own guidelines. | ||
| We deeply regret this oversight and the concern that this may cause our customers. | ||
| We realize this is a serious matter. | ||
| Running background checks on people who apply to run events is the responsibility of the venue, as is clearly discussed on the Drag Queen Story Hour's website on the page about starting your own chapter. | ||
| Quote, So their position on it is we... | ||
| We understand that there'll probably be background checks, as there should be for everyone, and we are a part of everyone. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So, cool. | ||
| This is the story here. | ||
| It's not a story of drag queens being sex offenders or pedophiles. | ||
| It's a story about inappropriate levels of screening and oversight, specifically in the Houston Public Library system. | ||
| The second sex offender that was just recently discovered, and Alex is responding to in that clip, also was involved in an event at the Houston Public Library. | ||
| So that's my position on this. | ||
| If Alex and his ilk want to complain about this, the thing to complain about is the Houston Library not following their own procedures. | ||
| That is it. | ||
| That's the story. | ||
| Plain and simple. | ||
| I hate... | ||
| It's so disgusting to me. | ||
| And I feel the same way about it. | ||
| Like, not the same way. | ||
| But... | ||
| In terms of the way it's being used, I feel like it's so similar to when a good guy with a gun actually does protect his home. | ||
| Old man shoots would-be invader is that headline that you hear all the time. | ||
| And it's like, sure, one time. | ||
| Great. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| You're going to try and paint it as though this is what everybody can do and does do with their guns. | ||
| In the same way that it's like, yes, of course, because they're people. | ||
| And when you get a large enough number of people, it's going to happen. | ||
| There's going to be a certain percentage of any group that is going to have people who are offenders. | ||
| Because you could do the same thing for librarians or teachers or coaches, you know, like youth pastors. | ||
| If you want to say that this is an endemic problem for drag queens, it's an endemic problem more so for youth pastors, if that's what you want to do. | ||
| I don't know the stats on it, but that very well may be the case. | ||
| and the other issue too is that like the actual drag queen story hour organization doesn't know who all of the people who are participating in the events are yeah they probably are in communication with the person who's organizing like let's say the Seattle chapter of it or whatever and then that person subcontracts out the responsibility of finding the people to be involved. | ||
| There is a gap here in terms of oversight, but it's not a problem with the event itself. | ||
| It's a problem with Houston. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Houston has a problem, to paraphrase Tom Hanks. | |
| So now another issue here is that the information Alex is working with is all coming from a group called Mass Resistance, which the SPLC lists as an anti-LGBT hate group. | ||
| And from what I can tell, there's good reason for that. | ||
| The group was founded in 1995 under the name Parents Rights Coalition, but changed their name to Mass Resistance in 2006, quote, when our role as the true resistance to tyrannical government became clear. | ||
| The word mass in their name is short for Massachusetts. | ||
| And in 2003, the Massachusetts Supreme Court ruled that same-sex marriage should be permitted. | ||
| And then Governor Mitt Romney was reluctant to stay. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Mass resistance passes themselves off as, quote, pro-family as a group, but if you scratch beneath the surface at all, or just look at the surface, it's super clear that all they really give a shit about is agitating against LGBT rights and access to abortion. | ||
| They support conversion therapy, which they call reparative therapy. | ||
| They believe that anti-bullying initiatives are secretly just about indoctrinating straight kids into being gay, which is the same complaint that they have about straight gay alliance organizations. | ||
| Their president, Brian Kemenker, has a weird habit of comparing those who support LGBT rights to Nazis. | ||
| Like when he said he wanted LGBT activists, quote, destroyed because they, quote, would send us to concentration camps if they... | ||
| They would send you to concentration camps if they could. | ||
| I don't know about that. | ||
| I think they'd be much more benign than that. | ||
| You're right. | ||
| They would be a soft no on it. | ||
| Or when he said, quote, I saw what happened to the Jews in 1930s and 40s, and much of that same thing is happening to Christians now. | ||
| Oh, yeah? | ||
| Bottom line, these people are a bunch of assholes. | ||
| When was the last time he was starved? | ||
| I don't know what his bills are like. | ||
| Also, in October 2008, 48-year-old Michael Olivio, an employee of Mass Resistance, got into a little bit of trouble for creeping around outside West Middle School in Andover, Massachusetts and taking pictures of students. | ||
| I'll read to you from the Andover Eagle Tribune. | ||
| This is actually kind of funny. | ||
| I mean, it's not, because this guy's a creep. | ||
| But the way this plays out, if there's anything that's pretty funny on this episode, it's probably this. | ||
| Okay, okay. | ||
| Quote, Police said the incident happened at West Middle as children were being let out of school. | ||
| As parents watched, Alivio parked his car, got out, and began taking many pictures of the school and the students. | ||
| Police received a flood of 911 calls from parents, and soon the school called. | ||
| A gym teacher tried to talk to Alivio, who fled toward the high school, police said. | ||
| He fled toward the high school. | ||
| Well, there's two schools. | ||
| He was outside West Middle School, and then he fled toward the high school. | ||
| So he's trying to get to home base? | ||
| He was like, see, these guys are almost adults. | ||
| This is better. | ||
| It's better for me to take pictures with them. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| Okay, so he fled. | ||
| When police caught him, Alivio said he was taking pictures for a documentary, and he would not elaborate on it. | ||
| Lieutenant James Hashim said. | ||
| Alivio was ordered to leave the area because police had no reason to detain him further. | ||
| But then the man began to act erratically, Hashem said. | ||
| After being told to leave the area, Alivio ran through the yards on Shawsheen Road and nearby side streets, shedding clothing as he ran, police said. | ||
| He had removed several items of clothing before officers finally caught him on North Main Street and placed him in handcuffs. | ||
| I want to see this documentary now! | ||
| This documentary's gonna be amazing! | ||
| Quote, he was not completely naked, Hashem said. | ||
| Thanks for clarifying. | ||
| So this guy who was working for Mass Resistance, their argument on it was that there was a gay-straight alliance meeting that was happening at the high school, and he accidentally went to the middle school. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| Even if that's the case, I still think you're a bunch of creeps. | ||
| Great, yeah. | ||
| But then... | ||
| No, it'd be way better if he was taking pictures of high school kids. | ||
| Like, great, guys. | ||
| What are you doing? | ||
| At least he has, like, this is my political argument, and I'm... | ||
| At least he has that. | ||
| He has no reason to be at the middle school. | ||
| He has no reason to be naked afterwards, either. | ||
| That's the other part of it. | ||
| That's a problem. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's weird. | ||
| Does he think he can turn invisible? | ||
| My coat is weed. | ||
| I gotta get rid of it. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know what it is. | ||
| Flush it down the toilet! | ||
| No one can possibly know except for this dude, this Olivia dude. | ||
| So beyond that, all that, in a November 9th, 2018 post on their own website, and I have to stress this, their own website, mass resistance kind of admits to being liars, trying to demonize trans people. | ||
| Our side concocted the bathroom safety male predator argument as a way to avoid any uncomfortable battles over LGBT ideology and still fire up people's emotions. | ||
| Wow! | ||
| That's... | ||
| That's... | ||
| It's brave! | ||
| To just say the evil shit you're doing. | ||
| And just admit that we made that argument up. | ||
| It's not real. | ||
| We just wanted to avoid these, you know, the argument that we're gonna lose, we wanted to avoid that but still flare up people's emotions. | ||
| So we came up with this bullshit that demonized a bunch of people and really, I mean, it got a lot of people hurt and made people feel like other things. | ||
| Non-human things. | ||
| That'd be like Reagan coming out in 86 and just being like, hey guys, this whole welfare queen thing, I made We made it up completely. | ||
| It's bullshit. | ||
| You may notice this is like the day after the midterm elections. | ||
| And so it was sort of a breakdown of like, where can we do better? | ||
| And I don't know why they put it on the website. | ||
| That's a bad idea. | ||
| Yeah, that seems bad. | ||
| And you know what? | ||
| It's hard not to see that they're kind of doing a pretty similar thing here as it relates to the Drag Queen story hour. | ||
| Mark Richards is like... | ||
| See, now I didn't want to, you know, I wanted to avoid that whole uncomfortable murder part. | ||
| So I got somebody else to do it for me. | ||
| See, it's completely different. | ||
| And I didn't want to have a conversation about that, so I was off-world and raptors love me. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| That should give you some sense of the kind of dicks who are behind the reporting that Alex is operating off of. | ||
| You know, we have a guy who ran naked away from a school after the police told him to leave when he was taking pictures of kids, and the sort of organization that's very willing to, on their website, say, we were bullshitting here, trying to demonize trans people. | ||
| While it does appear true that there are two sex offenders who were involved in a drag queen story hour, specifically in Houston, and that is not good. | ||
| There's also no justification for demonizing the LGBT community or drag queens with that information, which is what Alex is going to proceed to do throughout this entire episode. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| One final thought, and this is pointless, as we know that highlighting hypocrisy in people like Alex never really matters. | ||
| But what he's doing is identical to the thing he accuses the left of doing to gun owners. | ||
| When a gun enthusiast goes off and shoots a bunch of people, Alex screams bloody murder about how you can't blame all gun owners, which indicates that he understands that it's not right to apply the sins of an individual to the group that they're a part of. | ||
| He knows what he's doing is bullshit, but he doesn't care, because it creates a potent emotional appeal to get his audience to hate the group that he wants them to hate for his own purposes. | ||
| And so that brings us up to speed with what the actual story is. | ||
| It's bad. | ||
| We can't have a conversation about... | ||
| Oh, you know, people get all angry whenever you start calling people names. | ||
| So what we're going to do is we're going to find two of them who are actually sex offenders. | ||
| That's going to give us a foot in the door to call everybody sex offenders. | ||
| Let's put it up on our website. | ||
| Link to Mass Resistance. | ||
| We're great. | ||
| So a lot of this isn't going to be fun, but we'll get through it the best we can. | ||
| And it sets the stage for Alex. | ||
| Talking about QAnon towards the end of the episode, which I think is important to recognize all of this in its proper context. | ||
| Calling anybody a pedophile is a slippery slope to believing in QAnon, I believe. | ||
| I think it might be. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So here's our next clip where Alex just misreports some stuff. | ||
| And they are organized out of New York City, directed in England, Germany, France, Belgium, Sweden, Canada, the United States. | ||
| Japan. | ||
| They are commanded. | ||
| By convicted murderers. | ||
| They are commanded by sinister individuals. | ||
| You cannot make this up. | ||
| Yes, you can. | ||
| And again, when you go to their Facebook and their Twitter pages, when they're together at a party, they just look like women. | ||
| But when they go out, it's in full disguise. | ||
| He's just talking about, like, drag outfits, like, performance outfits. | ||
| And he's also, like, whenever he talks about, like, they have multiple aliases, yes, they have drag names. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's part of the culture of the community. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's not, like, some sort of a nefarious thing to hide your identity as much as it is... | ||
| A persona or whatever. | ||
| It's a part of your identity. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So I thought that Alex was kind of wrong about their run out of New York because it was based originally in San Francisco. | ||
| And that's where it came out of. | ||
| But apparently the actual 501c3 group that runs the operation and everything is based in New York. | ||
| So Alex wasn't offline or out of line about that. | ||
| But... | ||
| I'm not sure where he's getting this information about the story hour being, quote, commanded by convicted murderers. | ||
| I'm eager to see a source on that, but since he doesn't explain, I'm left to dig into where he could possibly be getting that information from. | ||
| Also, how are these convicted murderers giving these commands? | ||
| Are they out? | ||
| Do they get free? | ||
| I think that he thinks that Michael Alec, the guy from Party Monster, you know, the guy that movie is based on. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| I think he thinks that... | ||
| Macaulay Culkin, right? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I think he thinks that he's behind all of this. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I don't see any evidence that that's the case. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| We'll get to that later. | ||
| But that's one theory. | ||
| That's one possibility. | ||
| Because he did kill that dude. | ||
| Yeah, no. | ||
| And I like that he's expanding. | ||
| You know, everybody's got to diversify their portfolio. | ||
| But if I remember correctly... | ||
| Kill a guy and start Drag Queen Story Hour. | ||
| You know, he's got two things going on. | ||
| If I recall correctly, Alec got manslaughter for that. | ||
| Like, I don't think it was a murderer. | ||
| He's not a convicted murderer. | ||
| But be that it isn't May, let's not dwell into that. | ||
| The only other possibility I can come up with is that he's referring to a September 2018 blog entry on Christian Post about how Franklin Graham was against the story hours. | ||
| The blog post includes discussion of Hochi Mochi, a drag queen who describes their persona as, quote, your resident killer clown from outer space. | ||
| This was also covered all over right-wing media, including posts on WorldNetDaily, among other places. | ||
| So it's clear that it's something that Alex very easily could have come across. | ||
| This person whose persona is a killer clown from outer space. | ||
| He's just taking that literally. | ||
| I think it's possible. | ||
| How do you hear killer clown from outer space is my persona and think, they're not having fun? | ||
| That's serious. | ||
| Seems fun. | ||
| That's a fun thing to be. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| That's fun! | ||
| If you believe they're a killer, you also have to believe they're from outer space. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Enjoy. | ||
| Wasn't that Ryback's character for a while? | ||
| I don't think it was. | ||
| He just liked to eat. | ||
| He wanted to be fed more. | ||
| He ate souls or whatever? | ||
| Something like that. | ||
| I can find no other indication other than the Michael Alec thing, and that might come up a little bit later. | ||
| Actually, I don't think that's what it is, but it's the only other connection I can make in my mind. | ||
| Even from aggressively anti-LGBT groups, like Mass Resistance, that there's a convicted murderer who's commanding the drag queen story hours. | ||
| If I were the people organizing these events, I might consider suing Alex for what appears to be yet another case of him defaming people. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because he needs to defend that assertion. | ||
| That's a claim. | ||
| That's something that is not okay. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| So maybe you guys want to do that. | ||
| And he's investigating you, so it might be a good idea to get him on the air right now. | ||
| You might also have a situation where that investigation turns into harassment. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Alex, you might be doing this to yourself again. | ||
| I wouldn't be surprised if at a certain point Barnes doesn't start sending out tips to people who should sue him. | ||
| Through lots of heavy breathing. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| In terms of people getting a little bit violent in their language about the story hours, though, I submit to you. | ||
| Pat Robertson. | ||
| He got on his show not too far back, The 700 Club, and he decried the mainstreaming of the LGBT community, comparing it to what happened in Sodom and Gomorrah. | ||
| Quote, This was the original crime that led to the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, and the United States of America is on a very slippery ground. | ||
| It's not just some library that's going to be in trouble. | ||
| It's the whole population when God brings judgment. | ||
| Robertson went on to say, So Pat Robertson is sort of insisting that this will bring destruction to all of us if we allow it to continue, which, if you think about it, that justifies hurting these people. | ||
| Running them out of town or killing them. | ||
| I mean, I believe he left out the second part of that story where the father tells the mob to rape his two daughters instead of the angels. | ||
| If I remember correctly. | ||
| I think he remembers that part. | ||
| I think he might have left that part out on purpose. | ||
| And then, of course, we have James Green of Texas, who got arrested back in February for showing up to the Freed Montrose Library with a gun in an attempt to stop the drag queen story hour. | ||
| In his words. | ||
| Attempt to stop it. | ||
| He was a self-described Trump supporter and claimed he was being arrested after he had made a big scene. | ||
| He got arrested and he said it was because he's a white Christian. | ||
| Livestreamed it all. | ||
| I'm being arrested because I'm a Christian. | ||
| Can you hold a gun up in the air? | ||
| He didn't hold it up in the air, just to be clear. | ||
| He had a concealed carry permit, so it's entirely possible that his having a gun is just a coincidence. | ||
| Yeah, he could just be having a gun. | ||
| But that doesn't mean this dude isn't a real weirdo. | ||
| As a police spokesman explained, quote, he was previously banned from filming children at the library and has been known to cause disturbances. | ||
| Several officers had to escort him out. | ||
| So, he's much like this guy who shed his clothes running away from middle school. | ||
| He seems like a bit of a creep himself. | ||
| Maybe he's not a bigot. | ||
| Maybe he just hates libraries. | ||
| Like, that could be another MAGA prejudice, right? | ||
| It makes sense. | ||
| They don't like words or learning. | ||
| From my two-year investigation down these roads, I have learned... | ||
| There's an allergicness to reading. | ||
| So anything that might be bringing attention to libraries, I could see that being part of their motivation. | ||
| You're making me feel stupid! | ||
| Burn it down! | ||
| Well, I have bad news. | ||
| So in this next clip, Alex... | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| Remember last episode, Alex kind of seemed to be imagining himself as the Christ for a second? | ||
| He was a bit of a messiah head. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| In this next clip, he talks about his role in sort of a religious cosmology. | ||
| And then, I want you to remember that Alex likes to say that he's only interested in non-offensive violence. | ||
| When someone attacks him, then he fights them back. | ||
| See if this matches that worldview. | ||
| You know, vengeance is God's. | ||
| Cool. | ||
| Vengeance is God's. | ||
| But God has instruments of vengeance. | ||
| That's always the twist to the riddle. | ||
| What? | ||
| It's a riddle? | ||
| And so the globalists expect to try to terrorize us. | ||
| We're not one of these poor kids who got strung out in one of your dungeons. | ||
| We're going to terrorize you. | ||
| Like God said? | ||
| Because you deserve what you've done to these children to be done to you. | ||
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Huh. | |
| That's Christian. | ||
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I'm just going to leave it at that. | |
| But we're hunting you. | ||
| You're not hunting us. | ||
| We're coming for you. | ||
| We're looking for you. | ||
| We're hunting you. | ||
| We're seeking you. | ||
| I think you figured that out now, haven't you? | ||
| All your threats and all your crap. | ||
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Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. | |
| Big laugh. | ||
| Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. | ||
| It's hilarious. | ||
| Stalking and killing people is hilarious? | ||
| You're going to pay for what you've done to the children. | ||
| I think that clip, especially parts of it, we're hunting you, we're going to terrorize you, all that stuff's not going to play well in court. | ||
| If there's some sort of a lawsuit about this eventually? | ||
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Nope. | |
| I know that I'm starting to listen to Alex Jones in the present day, especially through the prism of history. | ||
| I've already become detached from the present. | ||
| I know that he's probably going to get sued for this. | ||
| I wonder how this will sound in a deposition. | ||
| All those clips are real bad. | ||
| It's not like we're doing present day, Alex. | ||
| It's like we're doing a 2019 investigation. | ||
| Well, I mean, we don't know how this plays out, but let's imagine someone shooting some of these drag queens or something like that. | ||
| Let's imagine a terrible possible outcome of some of this language, this rhetoric. | ||
| You hear him saying stuff like this. | ||
| You understand how this process works. | ||
| Or as Alex would like to say, You see the kernels of... | ||
| Like, what is the role of, like, the radio hosts in Rwanda in 1990s, early 90s. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| The people who were, you know, like, exterminate the cockroaches. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Like, all this sort of thing. | ||
| You know that this is how the process works. | ||
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Yep. | |
| These people who encourage, quote-unquote, the illusion of a lone wolf. | ||
| Those sorts of people. | ||
| Alex has a role like that. | ||
| I remember growing up reading the Bible and hearing Jesus say, you should turn the other cheek and you should forgive even those who have transgressed the most upon you. | ||
| Terrorize people. | ||
| And God said, vengeance is mine. | ||
| The thing that most people leave out of that verse is the parenthetical, unless you really feel like I told you that I wanted you to commit vengeance, in which case gather up a posse, start investigating, and murder if you want. | ||
| There's red text and it says, Jesus then said, this is a riddle. | ||
| This was also in The Hobbit. | ||
| I believe there was the riddles in the dark moment between Bilbo and... | ||
| Here's my riddle. | ||
| What is bloated? | ||
| Drunk and claims to be exacting vengeance for the Lord. | ||
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Ooh, Steve Bannon. | |
| Alex Jones. | ||
| Oh, shit! | ||
| Could have been either. | ||
| I was so close. | ||
| So, in this next clip, Alex is in the middle of reading a list of, like, news articles about, you know, just acts, crimes that he's ascribing to Muslims, and then asserting that these news organizations don't point out that the people who committed these crimes are Muslims. | ||
| And he brings up one that I take particular issue with, which we will discuss. | ||
| In a couple seconds on the other end of this clip. | ||
| As a Rotterdam grooming gang survivor, I want people to know about the religious extremism which inspired my abusers, the independent. | ||
| Muslims! | ||
| So you can hear there from that, the point that he's trying to make is, they don't say it! | ||
| They don't say that it's Muslims! | ||
| The article that Alex is referencing as hiding the fact that the perpetrators of this crime are Muslims is actually one of the articles that we went over when we were discussing the reality of the grooming gang narrative and how it plays into the anti-immigrant and anti-Islam propaganda that's on the rise around the world. | ||
| While Alex is correct that the headline doesn't identify the gang members this woman was victimized by as Muslims, that fact is brought up in the sixth sentence of the article and is mentioned repeatedly throughout it. | ||
| The only conceivable way for someone to think that they were covering up the fact that these particular criminals were Muslims would be to literally not even try to read the article and just assume that headlines are all that exists. | ||
| Now, it bears repeating that this article was written by a survivor of one of these gangs, and her perspective is being disrespected by how Alex is using this article. | ||
| From the text, If anything, rising anti-Muslim hate will probably make groomers stronger in their convictions and drive ordinary young Muslim men toward fundamentalism, grooming gangs, and terrorism. | ||
| This survivor even directly discusses Alex's good buddy, Tommy Robinson, and his bigot group, the English Defense League. | ||
| For Tommy Robinson and his followers to focus on an entire religion based on the cruel interpretations of some scriptures by some people is unhelpful, to say the least. | ||
| Most grooming gang survivors I know absolutely condemn anti-Islamic hate, and we're uncomfortable with English Defense League protests. | ||
| We certainly don't want random attacks on all Muslims. | ||
| You can't cure harm with more harm. | ||
| Alex is pretending that he's standing up for victims of these crimes, but in reality, all he's doing is trying to demonize the entirety of Islam, and the way he's doing it is particularly distasteful. | ||
| I mean, really think about this. | ||
| What he's doing is taking the first-hand account of a survivor of the crime he's so upset about, lying about it by pretending that that account covers up the fact that the perpetrators were Muslim, then arrives at a conclusion that is in direct opposition to what the writer, a survivor of this crime, advocates for. | ||
| This is an abusive level of non-journalism and just so clearly indicative of what he's all about. | ||
| Isn't it called a triple Lindy? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I think that's what it's... | ||
| It's impressive in its cruelty and inhumanity. | ||
| Yeah, that's... | ||
| Because he's taking her account and just saying, fuck it, I don't care what you actually say. | ||
| Of course not. | ||
| I just want to use you as a prop. | ||
| Well, that's because she's being influenced by the globalists because they're covering up the fact that they're silencing her. | ||
| He's giving her a real voice because they wrote her statement for her trying to cover up that it's violent Islamic extremists. | ||
| That must be the case. | ||
| That must be the case. | ||
| So here we enter the period of the show where Alex is just going to start rambling about how these drag queens are demons. | ||
| This will go on for a while. | ||
| He will get interrupted by having a guest who's a terrible person from everything I can tell. | ||
| But here, this is just a taste of things to come. | ||
| You're going to see shocking footage, ladies and gentlemen, of him actually grooming small children and giving them roses. | ||
| Yes, red roses. | ||
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It's on Mondays at 8. Perhaps a box of candy. | |
| I have candy in the van. | ||
| I have puppies. | ||
| It's all coming up, ladies and gentlemen. | ||
| Children brought into men dressed as satanic clowns going... | ||
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You forgot they're from outer space. | |
| So, this is all the liberalism. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Please support the broadcast. | ||
| Please spread the word. | ||
| Infowarsstore.com. | ||
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Infowarslife.com. | |
| See him walking around. | ||
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Souls are mine. | |
| The planetary voices are ready. | ||
| You will not stop us ever. | ||
| Yeah, children are ours. | ||
| Free shipping store wide. | ||
| Infowarslife.com. | ||
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By the end of this, That's pretty gross. | |
| That's profoundly gross. | ||
| Really gross. | ||
| Remember in the deposition where he said that the content and the advertising are separate? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Like, he jumped back and forth between the demon voice and the ad pitch. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Like, in the middle of a sentence, he goes back and forth. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| And that voice that he's doing is, like, exactly the same voice he uses to claim that, like, women are demons at abortion rallies and stuff like that. | ||
| It's hacky at this point. | ||
| He needs new material. | ||
| He's like a road dog who has a shit act. | ||
| Yeah, you know, it reminds me of shitposting. | ||
| Or not shitposting. | ||
| I'm not sure if I'm getting it correctly. | ||
| You're too old to have this conversation. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| That combination of very real, disgusting thoughts being surrounded by this ironic sense of, look at how much fun I'm having. | ||
| If you just heard... | ||
| If you heard that was the first one, if that was the first clip of Alex's that you heard, it wouldn't surprise me at all if you were like, oh, see, he's just being an asshole. | ||
| He's doing this to, like, rile people up, and you guys are just overreacting because you're all... | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Because of that ending, like... | ||
| Like, come on. | ||
| Fuck off. | ||
| That's weak. | ||
| And it's supposed to be funny, right? | ||
| I guess. | ||
| It's supposed to be silly? | ||
| I don't think it is. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Maybe it's just because I don't think this is funny, period. | ||
| No, of course not. | ||
| I'm a tough laugh, I'll be honest. | ||
| The only thing that makes me laugh are Elias' bits at WrestleMania and, I don't know, not much else. | ||
| That's about it. | ||
| I'm consistently shocked that people say this show is funny because you do not laugh whatsoever. | ||
| My jokes are terrible. | ||
| I smile. | ||
| What am I even doing here? | ||
| But yeah, I don't know. | ||
| It's an interesting question. | ||
| Do some people have such bad sense of humor that they think that that's funny? | ||
| I think they have to. | ||
| I mean, it must be a possibility. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But I don't think it's supposed to be for comedy. | ||
| I don't think it's for comedic effect. | ||
| I think it's for directly demonizing people. | ||
| He's trying to make the argument that these people do behave this way. | ||
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Right. | |
| He says it repeatedly throughout this episode. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| That they snarl and like... | ||
| Like all that stuff. | ||
| So, I mean, if it's a joke, then he beats it into the ground. | ||
| Yeah, that does make sense for him, though. | ||
| It's not a joke. | ||
| So, these people are demons. | ||
| These drag queens are demons. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| But what you don't know is not only are they demons, they're also a pedophile army that is coming to take us all. | ||
| They have a lot of... | ||
| Ladies and gentlemen, if there was an army of financed pedophiles and their supporters dressing as clowns and disguising themselves, being given access to children as young as three, convicted pedophiles, would you want to know about it? | ||
| Would you want to stand up against it? | ||
| Or would you be like local Houston News that laughed and said, gotta get them while they're young? | ||
| A lot of folks are joining the globalist team right now. | ||
| A lot of people are showing the world they're willing to do whatever it takes for their father Lucifer to give them power. | ||
| I think that Alex probably dodged another defamation lawsuit by just saying local Houston News and not saying what he's talking about because no one said that. | ||
| The only thing that comes close to approximating that is articles that people have written about the idea of upending bigotry by having association with and awareness and contact with people of different lifestyles, different identities, different races, different occupations even. | ||
| That sort of thing does lead you to not have whatever prejudice take over in your mind. | ||
| Like, let's say, just on a very simple level. | ||
| You can't think that all... | ||
| Construction workers are stupid. | ||
| If when you're younger, you meet construction workers who are nice and thoughtful and kind, that sort of thing, you will have a positive association with construction workers that stereotypes won't be able to penetrate. | ||
| And that's the argument of get them while they're young. | ||
| That's the only place where that argument has ever been used. | ||
| Not in terms of like, you gotta... | ||
| We need to spread around their experiences so they don't turn into horrible bigots. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What is that quote? | ||
| A mind that's stretched to a new idea and never returns to its original dimensions or whatever. | ||
| I don't... | ||
| I don't... | ||
| It can't be that obvious that he knows he's trying to get people killed. | ||
| Because what you are doing is... | ||
| You're not calling an entire group of people an army of clowns raping your kids. | ||
| You're not calling them. | ||
| They don't have names. | ||
| Since they're not actually an army, but you're telling people that they are, the only thing that the people who hear it think is, well, if they're an army, we have to make our own army. | ||
| And, well, you know, a preemptive strike because we can't allow them to rape another kid before we do anything to them. | ||
| What we have to do is get them before. | ||
| You're way ahead of the thinking, but yes, that is exactly the message he's trying to put out. | ||
| How can you not realize that that's going to get people fucking killed? | ||
| He doesn't care. | ||
| That's his place in this game. | ||
| He does not condone violence. | ||
| Oh, of course not. | ||
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Absolutely. | |
| Very publicly denounces violence. | ||
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No. | |
| But does everything possible in order to inspire violence out of the people listening towards the groups that he targets. | ||
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Yep. | |
| That is what Alex Jones' role is. | ||
| And you'll see it reach its natural conclusion at the end of this episode. | ||
| And it's profoundly fucked up and way worse than anything that has to do with QAnon. | ||
| Well, I mean, QAnon has the potential to be that for a whole lot of other people too. | ||
| But the idea of Alex saying that he is okay with QAnon I think is secondary to what he's trying to do to these people. | ||
| And he's doing it with the help of this group, Mass Resistance. | ||
| And so at this point, Alex has someone from Mass Resistance as a guest. | ||
| What are they doing? | ||
| Are they... | ||
| They're in Massachusetts. | ||
| What are they doing? | ||
| No, they've stretched. | ||
| They've stretched. | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
| They started in 95 in Massachusetts, but have since grown into national. | ||
| And actually, they've spread into foreign countries. | ||
| Notably, Nigeria has a foothold of mass resistance influence. | ||
| Yeah, because they fucking... | ||
| Very anti-gay sentiment over there. | ||
| More like ass resistance. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| So Alex has Tracy Shannon from Mass Resistance, and here is her first volley, I would say, in the interview where she argues, I think, I think what she's arguing is that the First Amendment does not protect drag. | ||
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The First Amendment is not there to protect lewdness and professional sexuality, sexual behavior, and ideas that are reflective of adult sexual content and promote sexual... | |
| It doesn't protect a bunch of men dressed up like demon clowns, most of which are sex workers, from having access to children. | ||
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That's right. | |
| That's right. | ||
| That's not what it's supposed to be for. | ||
| Well, I mean, like, if you follow that line of thought, all that's really going on is you disagree with the speech or whatever. | ||
| It's not, of course, the First Amendment doesn't protect people, you know, sex offenders being around children. | ||
| Of course not. | ||
| That's not what anyone would argue. | ||
| But the only thing that she can really be responding to is like, I don't agree with this. | ||
| The First Amendment doesn't apply here because I find it objectionable. | ||
| And if she wants to open that box, then, of course... | ||
| Good luck ever having a church. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, the only thing that... | ||
| If they want to keep doing this, because they always do this reactively, they're always like, the First Amendment doesn't protect this, the First Amendment does protect this. | ||
| Then, before we even start with any of those arguments, before you start doing this in single servings... | ||
| If the right wing wants to fucking put down a goddamn list of what the First Amendment, they think, protects and doesn't protect, then we can have a conversation about it. | ||
| Line items. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| If you want to do that, because if they did do that, then they'd have to realize how fucking hypocritical and stupid they are. | ||
| Yeah, they'd have to show some cards. | ||
| They'd never do that. | ||
| No. | ||
| I would love that. | ||
| I mean, it's really stupid. | ||
| Like, taken at its core. | ||
| What she's saying is that the First Amendment doesn't allow people to wear clothes that I disagree with them wearing. | ||
| Lewdness. | ||
| Well, I mean, what does that mean? | ||
| A man wearing a dress is too lewd for you? | ||
| Lewd! | ||
| The Founding Fathers would hate it! | ||
| So you are going to then bring the force of the government into legislating articles of clothing that are appropriate for people to wear. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Cool. | ||
| And I don't think that women should be allowed to wear pants, either. | ||
| Well, I mean, I guess that's implied. | ||
| Drag kings, probably. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| Alex doesn't seem to have any concern about that side of things. | ||
| And admittedly, Drag Queen Story Hour did begin with just Drag Queens, but his sense expanded out to Drag King. | ||
| No, come on! | ||
| Which seems to be something that Alex would be horribly against. | ||
| Well, all we want to do is just protect people from lewdness of any and all. | ||
| He's horribly against tyranny unless it's the tyranny that upholds his bigotry and the positions that he wants to be reinforced, which is the status quo of white male supremacist heterosexual hegemony. | ||
| But it's just for the kids, Dan. | ||
| It's for the kids. | ||
| It's just for the kids. | ||
| Won't somebody think of the children, Dan? | ||
| Look at them. | ||
| They're allowed to look at a man wearing a dress. | ||
| That's lewd. | ||
| What's next? | ||
| Some sparkly eyeshadow? | ||
| Oh yeah, the government would have to legislate makeup too. | ||
| Can't do that? | ||
| Can't do that? | ||
| What, are you going to wear your hair up now? | ||
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Oh my god. | |
| That's the devil's due. | ||
| Oh yeah, everyone, every dude's got to be high and tight. | ||
| Women have to grow their hair out, so no one's confused. | ||
| Yep, yep, we can't have that. | ||
| Also, pink? | ||
| Just gone. | ||
| Just gone. | ||
| The singer or the color? | ||
| Both. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| The singer is the color. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| So, in this next clip, what's been going on is that Ms. Shannon is involved in Houston. | ||
| In Texas, at least. | ||
| And so she's one of the people who's worked on figuring out that these people are sex offenders and what have you. | ||
| Which is, in this case, I guess from everything I can tell, I guess that what she did is okay. | ||
| In some ways. | ||
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| Well, because what she did is she uncovered the failing of the Houston library system. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So if she wanted to take this information that she'd found and demand that the Houston library system do a better job and actually do the things that are in their protocols to begin with that they failed to do, great. | ||
| I mean, that is okay. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But it's not okay to then take this and use it to whole cloth, I guess. | ||
| To attack a group of people, to commit this composition fallacy where these people are representative of the group as a whole. | ||
| And then also to sort of encourage almost vigilantism. | ||
| Because her example is being used as, like, we all need to be digging into all of these people that we disagree with and stuff like that. | ||
| So she's kind of discussing some of that, and Alex wants to give her money. | ||
| No! | ||
| Law enforcement's not doing it. | ||
| Don't! | ||
| A mother, a grandmother's doing it. | ||
| And we're doing it. | ||
| And that's why Lister's supporting us is so critical, supporting you. | ||
| I mean, I want to talk to you about putting you in charge of a whole Nationwide operation. | ||
| Because I don't have that much money, but I've got enough money, I think, to bring down a couple hundred of these guys. | ||
| And we're coming after you. | ||
| Which... | ||
| Yeah, coming after you. | ||
| Great. | ||
| Again, that's going to play well later. | ||
| Yeah, you know, I... | ||
| I guess the corollary for me would be somebody who saw a picture of a cop with his uniform off and he's got white nationalist tattoos on there, right? | ||
| And so you report that shit. | ||
| But that doesn't mean that I think we need to hunt down every cop. | ||
| We need to investigate every single cop. | ||
| The whole point is that there's a screening system, although it's not really that good. | ||
| The screening system should be good. | ||
| It should work. | ||
| It should work. | ||
| And when you find failings in that screening system, it is important to point those things out because then you can improve the screening system and thereby eliminate the problem that you ostensibly are upset about. | ||
| And if you don't focus on the things that can actually make a difference, it does reveal that you don't actually care about the thing that you're presenting as caring about. | ||
| What you care about is attacking a group. | ||
| That's what you care about. | ||
| And this is another situation. | ||
| What do you think the world looks like when you win? | ||
| Mass resistance. | ||
| Write down what it is you think the world looks like if you do whatever your stated goal is. | ||
| All LGBT people in camps, but they're reparative camps. | ||
| Right. | ||
| They're in camps where they're learning to be straight. | ||
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Right. | |
| Yeah, yeah, absolutely. | ||
| Think about that. | ||
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That's insane. | |
| But it's wonderful because then they'll be able to enjoy a wonderful Christian society once they get outside. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Where everything will be great. | ||
| All the streets will be clean. | ||
| 20 times as productive as now. | ||
| That's 20 times as productive. | ||
| That are animists. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| But of course we'll be declaring war on those countries for their animist beliefs. | ||
| Well, yeah, but we have to. | ||
| We're so productive. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| We can't allow them to waste their land. | ||
| That is a dime holding up a dollar and we can't allow it. | ||
| Yeah, no. | ||
| Their vision falls apart pretty quickly once you... | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You think about whatever they would do if they could. | ||
| But again, it's not all Christian people. | ||
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No, absolutely not. | |
| These people are using Christianity as a cudgel against groups. | ||
| And that's a specific behavior out of them. | ||
| So just to be clear on that, lest we fall into the trap of demonizing a group while we're talking about the demonization of a group. | ||
| Absolutely not. | ||
| But if they're a member of Mass Resistance, they can go fuck themselves. | ||
| That's a whole different subset. | ||
| And they should probably keep their clothes on if they're running away from middle school after the police talk to them. | ||
| And I wouldn't even call them Christians! | ||
| They would. | ||
| They would! | ||
| But so would Alex, and he was just saying that we should hunt people down and kill them. | ||
| So in this next clip, we get a sense, we don't get a sense, they just literally say it, that Alex and Tracy both believe that LGBT means pedophile. | ||
| These are some bold folks, but from what I know about pedophiles, they're fiends. | ||
| It's like a crackhead. | ||
| They can't stop going after children. | ||
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I think there's just no boundaries. | |
| There's just no boundaries, and there's some arrogance. | ||
| And especially down here in Houston, there's this attitude that you can't even scrutinize us. | ||
| And I think that applies to all of the LGBTQ community. | ||
| I'm not painting them with a broad brush. | ||
| The LGBTQ community is now pee. | ||
| They're supporting the pedophiles. | ||
| I'm not painting! | ||
| Right. | ||
| So Alex at the end says that LGBT means pee, which we know what he's talking about. | ||
| And then she is saying that these people cannot be criticized in any way, and I believe that that applies to the whole LGBT community, which seems to imply that you think that this is a subsection of it. | ||
| So, that's great. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| That's great, because that really shows some cards of what she thinks she's working with and working against, which is why this ostensibly okay thing, which is doing the oversight that Houston's library system failed to do, turns incredibly bad. | ||
| Because your motivation is not fixing the holes in a system, or... | ||
| Doing secondary checks or whatever. | ||
| What your interest in is demonizing people in the LGBT community. | ||
| And that means that the directions you're going to go are going to be fucked up, as we already see. | ||
| She's allowing herself to be... | ||
| And she's probably thrilled to be doing it. | ||
| She's being used as a resource for Alex to do his... | ||
| Inspirational terrorism, basically. | ||
| Couldn't she just get, like, a hobby? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, like, crocheting is great, and I'm not trying to be... | ||
| Like, maybe she'd be a good carpenter. | ||
| Maybe she should try whittling. | ||
| I've been thinking about getting into cross-stitch. | ||
| Yeah, see? | ||
| Now that's a great idea. | ||
| Maybe instead of demonizing the entire LGBTQ community and calling them pedophiles, she could make a shelf. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That'd be nice. | ||
| I'd probably get into Pilates if it weren't so goddamn expensive. | ||
| Take a bite. | ||
| Take up as much time? | ||
| I'm doing these classes, but they're free with the membership at the gym. | ||
| Slowly running out of free. | ||
| Oh yeah. | ||
| And once they're not free, don't think I'll be doing them anymore. | ||
| I don't know how people afford it. | ||
| It's super expensive. | ||
| So anyway... | ||
| Tracy Shannon is a member of this mass resistance, and she has been particularly involved in their work against the Drag Queen Story Hour. | ||
| In October 2018, she filed a lawsuit trying to get all these story hours stopped, claiming that they violated the Establishment Clause. | ||
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That lawsuit was dismissed. | |
| Because they had violated the establishment clause? | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| That lawsuit got dismissed, so having failed to make any progress in the legal system, it appears that she switched tactics and decided to walk into the realm of propaganda and smear campaigns. | ||
| Judging by her Twitter account, before she got involved with this hustle, she was basically just an angry Trump fan, tweeting out everything that's in line with that media sphere's narratives. | ||
| Interestingly, she seems to retweet almost everything Charlie Kirk tweets, which is an impressive level of saying. | ||
| She's in love. | ||
| I was going to dig in and try and find out more about her, but after seeing this little glimpse and remembering that she's involved in a group that literally admitted on their own website that they make shit up to demonize the LGBT community, I realized there wasn't much of a point in looking into her more. | ||
| I think we got her. | ||
| We already know everything we need to know here. | ||
| We don't know her, but we know her. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So as they continue talking, Alex has some thoughts about Houston and their mayor in specific. | ||
| Naturally. | ||
| Don't worry, Tracy. | ||
| The cavalry's on the way. | ||
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Thank you. | |
| We can use it here and everywhere. | ||
| Well, have you noticed how it's... | ||
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It's a converted mayor. | |
| Have you noticed... | ||
| Oh, your mayor is... | ||
| Yeah, obviously, this is a bad person. | ||
| He's probably been compromised. | ||
| I mean, obviously, more ways than one. | ||
| From what I know from law enforcement... | ||
| Well, I'm going to stop right there. | ||
| People should look at the Super Bowl. | ||
| I'm just going to stop right there. | ||
| But... | ||
| Oh yeah, we know everything, basically. | ||
| They know everything, basically. | ||
| About what? | ||
| Sylvester Turner, the mayor of Houston, I guess. | ||
| I don't know anything about it. | ||
| So Alex is implying that Sylvester Turner, the mayor of Houston since 2016, is compromised. | ||
| And that's why he's supporting the Drag Queen Story Hours and the LGBT community in general. | ||
| In order to make this claim, he brings up the 2017 Super Bowl, which was held at the NRG Stadium in Houston. | ||
| There's a little scandal around that Super Bowl, as Turner used taxpayer funds from Houston First, the city's tourism board, to pay for himself and 16 guests to attend the game. | ||
| However, that story was reported by Houston's ABC affiliate approximately a month after the Super Bowl, so I'm not sure how that could be used to blackmail him. | ||
| That is just sort of like a foible. | ||
| And, you know, it came out. | ||
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Did he have to, like, pay it back and all that stuff? | |
| No, I think that he, as I understand, he was able to, like, rationalize why these people got tickets. | ||
| And it was just sort of something people were like, that's malfeasance. | ||
| And he's like, meh. | ||
| And everyone moved along. | ||
| I think it's standard fair government corruption. | ||
| I'm not for it, but it's not enough. | ||
| I think that's the corruption where we're like... | ||
| You're a scamp, I think. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| We're 50-50 on doing it ourselves if we had the chance. | ||
| I'm not ignoring it. | ||
| If I lived in Houston, I might be more upset about it. | ||
| Oh, I'd be pissed. | ||
| It's not grounds to make the argument that he, as your piece of evidence, that he's compromised in some way. | ||
| And we live in Chicago. | ||
| You think that holds a candle to the shit that goes on here? | ||
| Come on, man. | ||
| So, I have my suspicions that what Alex is really doing here is he's trying to attack the sincerity of a government official who's changed their position on LGBT issues. | ||
| In 2005, Turner voted against allowing gay and lesbian people from being foster parents. | ||
| In 2003, he voted to ban same-sex marriage. | ||
| As recently as 2013, he, quote, voted against a proposal to gather statistics on bullying incidents based on sexual orientation and gender identity, which was part of what got him a D rating from Equality Texas. | ||
| However, he's since changed his tomb. | ||
| And as of 2015, he has an A-plus rating from Equality Texas and has been a vocal advocate about supporting complete equality. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| That's a win! | ||
| Turner has said, quote, I think many Americans, if not most Americans, have evolved over the last 10 years on LGBT issues, and I include myself in that group. | ||
| People evolve, and I think that's what we want people to do. | ||
| That's one explanation, though a more cynical reading may be that in 2015 he was running for mayor, whereas before he'd been a state representative with a 27-year tenure whose position was far less vulnerable to having shitty positions. | ||
| So there might be a little bit of a cynical explanation for it, or he might be sincere. | ||
| I'm not entirely sure. | ||
| Whatever the case, Alex can't allow the possibility to exist that someone was anti-LGBT rights, then learned more, heard about the issues, talked to people most affected by those positions, and then decided to change their ideas and their positions. | ||
| That's threatening to his worldview. | ||
| So to assuage that fear, he has to introduce the idea that anyone who comes around to supporting LGBT rights is most likely being blackmailed. | ||
| It's a really dumb idea. | ||
| But one that's low-key, far more dangerous and insidious than it might first appear. | ||
| Like, that clip, you could probably breeze past it. | ||
| The idea that, oh, he's probably compromised or whatever. | ||
| But what's behind it, I really do believe, is the fact that he changed his position on these issues. | ||
| Yeah, he's trying to inoculate his listeners from the idea that you can change. | ||
| The idea that you could listen and that would make you feel differently. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Instead, it's because they're brainwashed or they're blackmailed or... | ||
| You see this person who did and you're like, well, maybe there's something I should be listening to. | ||
| Maybe I should try. | ||
| Instead, you just replace that idea with, no, no, no, no, no, no. | ||
| This guy is not an example of someone learning more. | ||
| It's someone who is blackmailed. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| Yeah, you know, it's like I voted for this guy for, you know, over and over and over again to be a state representative, and he was really anti-gay, and then he started talking to people and changed his opinion, and I respect him, so maybe I should try to talk to people and change my opinion. | ||
| No, he was blackmailed? | ||
| Okay, then never mind. | ||
| I hate him now, and I don't have to think about it ever again. | ||
| So you might be questioning kind of, I mean, not that idea because it's stupid, but you might be asking a little bit of like, how does this blackmail? | ||
| Like, what is Alex actually talking about? | ||
| What's this pipeline of blackmail? | ||
| And thankfully... | ||
| I think he was just blackmailed by the NFL, right? | ||
| No. | ||
| In this next clip, Alex spells out what he thinks goes on. | ||
| And this is ludicrous. | ||
| So when they've taken thousands of hits of X, taken all this ketamine... | ||
| Thousands of hits of X? | ||
| They're just vessels for the avatar. | ||
| And that's what our research shows, that they're gone. | ||
| Research. | ||
| So, yeah, he's describing gay people taking tons of X and ketamine and stuff like this, especially people who are at the clubs. | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| And so then they become so whacked out from all of those drugs that they've taken that they're not even there. | ||
| They're a vessel for this entity, this demon entity, to come enter them. | ||
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| And that is what his research has shown. | ||
| So his research has shown that the LGBTQ community... | ||
| Takes thousands of hits of ecstasy in, I would assume, a short period of time in order to become vessels for demons. | ||
| Now, that only makes sense if you do accept that they died horribly from overdosing and then a demon actually implanted themselves in their body. | ||
| This is why Alex doesn't like Walking Dead. | ||
| But it doesn't make any sense because you said that the gay part was because of the demon, not... | ||
| Are they not gay anymore after the demon takes over? | ||
| Because the demon is them. | ||
| I'm not sure. | ||
| You know? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Like, who's who? | ||
| I don't know anymore. | ||
| Who is gay? | ||
| I don't know anymore. | ||
| Is anybody gay or are we all demons? | ||
| This is after Alex has played a clip of the party monster guy. | ||
| So I think that that's what he's operating on. | ||
| That's who we're thinking about? | ||
| Yeah, I think he's using some of those ideas. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Or ideas about that guy. | ||
| To inform all of this stuff, because he did take tons of drugs. | ||
| Yeah, no, absolutely. | ||
| I'm good on him. | ||
| I don't know about good on him. | ||
| Well, for certain parts. | ||
| So at this point, we have the conception that these people do all this X, they become empty vessels, demons come in, and here's where it goes from there. | ||
| They're demon-possessed. | ||
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| And they want kids. | ||
| That's the energy. | ||
| And I'm telling you, folks, I've studied it. | ||
| It's what they're into. | ||
| And then they get mayors and other people corrupted and into it. | ||
| Then they blackmail city officials. | ||
| And they're armies of sex workers. | ||
| And then once they blackmail you, then this is what they do. | ||
| And then they take control of your city. | ||
| And then they say, well, what do you want? | ||
| We want access to children. | ||
| So that's what he thinks is going on. | ||
| They're a bunch of LGBTQ people who are doing tons of X, and they become demon-possessed. | ||
| These demons want kids, so they blackmail mayors, and then the mayors have to go along with it, and they demand access to people's children. | ||
| Bada bing, bada boom, we end up with Drag Queen Story Hour. | ||
| So is this the demon's plan? | ||
| I don't fucking know. | ||
| It's not real. | ||
| It's not real. | ||
| I'm just trying to figure out whose plan this is. | ||
| It's Alex imagining this. | ||
| This is a bad plan. | ||
| Yeah, it's stupid. | ||
| We're preying on... | ||
| So in that case, even in his own telling, LGBTQ people are the victim of demons. | ||
| They're not bad people. | ||
| Alex is fine with that, probably. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But he'd still want them in a non-demonizing camp or something. | ||
| In a non-demonizing... | ||
| Or a de-demonification? | ||
| We gotta protect... | ||
| Well, maybe all we need to do is just keep ecstasy out of people's hands. | ||
| Maybe he just really wants us to... | ||
| Alex is a libertarian. | ||
| He's in favor of drugs. | ||
| Well, then he's in favor of demons. | ||
| He is. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| We figured it out. | ||
| So in this next clip, Tracy, I think, shows too many cards and... | ||
| I hate people. | ||
| It's all inappropriate. | ||
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Even if we didn't find a pedophile, convicted pedophile, this would be inappropriate. | |
| Children do not have the job to validate adult choices, adult behaviors, and adult identities. | ||
| That's their identity. | ||
| They need to get comfortable with it on their own and don't drag children into it. | ||
| You showed far too much of your hand when you said, even if we didn't find... | ||
| Any sex offenders, then this would still be bad. | ||
| No, because the story that you're telling is about the sex offenders. | ||
| That's what you're trying to make the point. | ||
| You're saying, even if we didn't, I would still be fucking furious about this. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Second thing... | ||
| These drag queen story hours are not about validating these people's choices or lifestyles or identities through children. | ||
| What it is is about representation of people of different identities, different lives. | ||
| The kids seeing these people and not thinking that they are something crazy, some sort of Boo Radley entity to be afraid of and run past. | ||
| That sort of thing. | ||
| It is not about validating those people. | ||
| It is about helping the children not develop into being dicks. | ||
| Here is what they are furious about. | ||
| Representation. | ||
| Human beings. | ||
| Visibility. | ||
| Putting on clothes and reading Dr. Seuss to children. | ||
| Right. | ||
| When you boil it down, that's what's going on. | ||
| It's only representative because of your opposition to it. | ||
| If it weren't for the fact that LGBTQ people were so marginalized, this would be nothing. | ||
| You wouldn't even care because it's just another person telling a story. | ||
| The only thing that's indicative of you being angry about this is that they are already and continually marginalized. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| That's what's going on. | ||
| You're mad. | ||
| And all you're doing is fighting to maintain the status quo that existed before, which is these people are invisible. | ||
| They don't deserve to be seen in public. | ||
| And if they are, they should be treated with scorn and derision. | ||
| And any child who feels like, you know, I might be inclined in this direction should be taught to be ashamed of it and, you know, probably hate it. | ||
| And commit suicide. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Or we'll yell at them and then pretend that we tried to help. | ||
| Yeah, and what she's literally saying is, I don't care if anybody is a sex offender. | ||
| The only reason I investigated them was because I was already offended by them. | ||
| I am actually stoked that we found a sex offender, because now I get to... | ||
| She's excited that they found a sex offender. | ||
| Right. | ||
| The only reason I was looking into it at all is because I needed more ammunition for my shitty argument, because the court threw out my original one. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's bad. | ||
| So after she leaves, Alex takes a turn for the dark. | ||
| This is not good. | ||
| This is a short clip, but it's indicative of what's coming up. | ||
| This is really fucked up. | ||
| Drunk on the blood of children, the Antichrist is. | ||
| Is he? | ||
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And you look at these... | |
| I mean, if you saw people walking on the street, you recoil. | ||
| I can't even make the faces they make because they're so demonic. | ||
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But it's just like... | |
| Let me have time with your children now. | ||
| Give me your children. | ||
| Give them to me now. | ||
| You will give them to me. | ||
| Or I'll call you racist. | ||
| I don't know what happened, but at about this point in the show is where I think Alex really was like, I'm going for it. | ||
| I'm going for it. | ||
| I've already said a bunch of horrible stuff. | ||
| I'm playing on borrowed time as it is. | ||
| I've got the sword of Damocles over my head in the form of multiple lawsuits. | ||
| I'm just going to fucking swing for the fences. | ||
| Six months and the whole thing is going to be over anyways. | ||
| I'm going to be as gross as I possibly can be. | ||
| So there we go. | ||
| He's using blood libel ideas, drunk on the blood of our children, that sort of thing. | ||
| This is classical anti-Semitism. | ||
| Whether or not it's directed towards people who are Jewish is... | ||
| Still, the same ideas that have been used to demonize Jewish people for centuries. | ||
| And we already know that's a part of his conception of the bad guys, which isn't good. | ||
| Now, here's where Alex explains what he thinks the drag queen story hours are for. | ||
| Because he believes that it's not about literacy and acceptance and people seeing each other as people, that sort of thing. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| It serves a role. | ||
| Recruitment? | ||
| Well, not really. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| That might be what mass resistance says. | ||
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| Alex thinks it's something far worse. | ||
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That's an inductee right there. | |
| He's talking about one of the sex offenders at the Houston one. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| He's an inductee. | ||
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That's Renfield. | |
| A demon posing as a woman. | ||
| A woman that gives life that nurtures babies. | ||
| That was Renfield? | ||
| And these poor babies. | ||
| The last thing they see when they enter hell is men dressed as women. | ||
| Have you been? | ||
| The last thing they see is they're hacked up and torn into pieces, and as their blood is slovenly licked into the mouths, and no men will stand against them. | ||
| And when the men watching this show stand before God, God's going to say, I don't know you. | ||
| Not how that goes. | ||
| Because you wouldn't protect children from pedophiles dressed like clowns? | ||
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That's how it goes down? | |
| That's how it all ends? | ||
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Ha ha ha ha ha Ha ha ha ha Ha ha ha ha Ha ha ha ha That's who wrangles your children into the trucks. | |
| Into the vans. | ||
| And they want your children not to run when they're in the disguises and the van pulls up. | ||
| They want them to have already been at story time five or six times so they've learned to stop just long enough to be grabbed off that front yard because the kid didn't listen. | ||
| Mom's asleep inside. | ||
| She worked two shifts. | ||
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And it's like, you're in the van now. | |
| Bye-bye. | ||
| You're the band now! | ||
| Come on over here, Georgie. | ||
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Oh, your boat. | |
| I got your boat right here. | ||
| So he's descending deep into a it, Pennywise fantasy. | ||
| I cannot tell you how funny it is. | ||
| I feel bad for that mom. | ||
| I haven't worked two shifts. | ||
| Struggling. | ||
| Bad economy. | ||
| Yeah, that's tough. | ||
| I don't know why you needed to include that as a detail in that fucking gross fantasy of his. | ||
| Well, I mean, she's, you know. | ||
| You gotta represent a wide swath of the populace. | ||
| Where's this deadbeat dad in the equation? | ||
| That's what I want to know. | ||
| Well, he went up to heaven and God was pissed off. | ||
| He was like, you didn't even protect people from clowns! | ||
| I do not know you. | ||
| Get out of here! | ||
| Get on down there. | ||
| Watch out. | ||
| Say hi to the two dudes wearing dresses when you get down there. | ||
| As you can see from Alex's conception, he believes that the idea of this drag queen story time hour is in order to make kids not afraid of the people who are going to throw them in vans later, which is fucked up. | ||
| That is so fucked up. | ||
| I mean, because it's just the way of repurposing what it really is. | ||
| It's a way of reframing the idea of acceptance and Embracing people and making it sinister. | ||
| Which I guess is kind of what he does all the time. | ||
| But it's so overt. | ||
| And the correlation is so easy. | ||
| Or the connection between reality and his lie are so easy to see. | ||
| It's so fucked up. | ||
| And then when you attach it to demonic ideas and the idea that they're only trying to prepare your kids to be kidnapped. | ||
| How else are you supposed to respond to it? | ||
| Like you said earlier in the episode. | ||
| We have to stop them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Obviously, this woman from Mass Resistance, this Tracy Shannon, she tried to do it through the court system. | ||
| You can't do it. | ||
| It's not illegal for these people to do this thing. | ||
| What do you do? | ||
| You gotta do something. | ||
| Gotta stop them. | ||
| You gotta do something. | ||
| Well, that's what I was missing. | ||
| I didn't realize. | ||
| So I thought that they were thinking like a preemptive attack before they hurt kids or anything like that. | ||
| They're actually saying that the... | ||
| Reading itself is the attack. | ||
| Well, Alex is. | ||
| Yeah, so just by doing that... | ||
| Last resistance might also say that, but I'm not going to lump them in necessarily because they're... | ||
| Right. | ||
| So they still think it's a defensive strike. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because the attack is just them being... | ||
| Yeah, they're grooming. | ||
| They're grooming these children in order to be ready to be picked up in vans later. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So yeah, absolutely. | ||
| You would get it in your head that it is defensive. | ||
| Yeah, they're attacking us. | ||
| And it is not. | ||
| No. | ||
| So this next clip's a little longer, but it is what I would describe as absolute insanity. | ||
| I know that Alex is somewhat performing, but also this is not, like, there's something that he's tapping into that is deep-seated within him, and it's incredibly gross. | ||
| There's some blood libel-y ideas in here, too, again, but this is just absolutely ludicrous. | ||
| You didn't know that? | ||
| Stephen King is a good pal. | ||
| And he doesn't like President Trump and he doesn't like me. | ||
| Wait, he's your friend and he doesn't like you? | ||
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But he can write all those books about what goes on down there with the clowns. | |
| The clowns that torture your children to death for a big fat spider. | ||
|
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See, It the Clown is just an anglerfish. | |
| It's just a finger of a big spider. | ||
| It is not the name of the clown. | ||
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Not It the Clown. | |
| Sit on my lap, Georgie. | ||
| Touch my beard, Georgie. | ||
| And, Georgie, it's a free world universe. | ||
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Stick your hand in this dark hole, Georgie, and I'm going to show you that you'll float. | |
| And they all tell you it's their religion. | ||
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They're going to get your catch. | |
| They're going to get them with vaccines. | ||
| They're going to get them with fluoride. | ||
| They're going to get them with GMO. | ||
| They're going to get them with the culture. | ||
| They're going to get them with the iPhones. | ||
| All because they couldn't kill them before they were born or right when they were born. | ||
| But that's even better, you see. | ||
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Let a child grow a little. | |
| Have some love. | ||
| Have some parents. | ||
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And be a good little person. | |
| And then they can get them in a dark pit. | ||
| Oh, and then it's so good. | ||
| The energy. | ||
| These demons suck off your child. | ||
| It's so much better than just giving him cancer because, you know, the parents are there when the child's dying from the cancer, from the vaccine. | ||
| And so they still have love and it's just not as special. | ||
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But to have him in those dungeons all alone. | |
| And then all the guys in clown outfits pull back when Dracula comes in. | ||
| And they're licking their lips and they're scared of Dracula. | ||
| A lot of them got abused by Dracula. | ||
| But they're still hoping for a little bit of that blood. | ||
| And then Dracula goes in there and rips that child to pieces and drinks that blood and takes their guts and just eats it. | ||
| And then leaves and then the vampire minions just run and just lick the blood off the altar. | ||
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Lick the blood off the altar. | |
| And then Dracula's women come in, all the porn stars and all the sexy women that want to live forever. | ||
| And they come in and they just eat little pieces of their feet and arms. | ||
| And they revel in the blood and have sex in it. | ||
| And call for the end of humanity, the end of God. | ||
| And just pray for Lucifer to enter their bodies. | ||
| And they're launching their full attack against you now. | ||
| So take your vaccines. | ||
| Eat your GMO. | ||
| Watch MSNBC. | ||
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Watch Senator Blumenthal, their leader. | |
| Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. | ||
| Yes, I see you, Blumenthal. | ||
| I see you. | ||
| I'm not entirely sure what Blumenthal's involvement in this is, except for he doesn't like Trump. | ||
| Ah, he was around. | ||
| And he's out of New York, and there's the abortion conversation going on there. | ||
| So I think that might be what he's relating that to. | ||
| But that's fucked up. | ||
| Because, I mean, we're already in a situation where Alex is really targeting people here. | ||
| Blumenthal is their leader! | ||
| What the fuck? | ||
| There's an alternate universe where he is the single greatest Troma filmmaker in the history of America. | ||
| That shit is gross. | ||
| He really got into the narrative of it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But, you know what? | ||
| If he made that into a movie, I bet Troma fans would fucking love it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm pretty sure that was the plot of Manos, The Hands of Fate, right? | ||
| I don't remember. | ||
| I don't remember the plot of that thing. | ||
| So, I mean, that's really bad. | ||
| Is incredibly, incredibly bad. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's gross. | ||
| It's laughably offensive about the people he's talking about. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And really, what I'm more interested in, I'm less interested in being like, well, what he's talking about here. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| We all know that there's blood libel-y aspects to that, and then Alex's just weird sort of... | ||
| Fantasies about demons around every corner and his inability or unwillingness to understand anything about fiction like It. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| The Clown. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Which was, I believe, the full name of the book, right? | ||
| It colon The Clown. | ||
| I'm less interested in that and I'm more interested in the real world effects of this. | ||
| And that we get to see almost immediately when Alex starts taking calls. | ||
| Here is a caller. | ||
| Who starts off his call by talking about Democrats and how they're all criminals. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| And we'll see where this goes. | ||
| Let's have fun. | ||
| And let's be honest. | ||
| Why is the left so allied with criminals? | ||
| Because they are criminals. | ||
| And I think the reason they're so petrified of Trump is he's attempting and will shut down a worldwide... | ||
| Thousands-year-long, probably, criminal enterprise. | ||
| Oh, I totally agree. | ||
| I've got all this mainstream news about the Islamicists with the U.N. bringing in hundreds of thousands of sex slaves. | ||
| I mean, it's just exploding, the criminal activity. | ||
| And it's been their way of life since before you and I were on the planet. | ||
| And now it's coming to an end. | ||
| And they're kicking and screaming and wiping feces on the walls, trying to... | ||
| They're not going to know what else to do. | ||
| They're not going to be employable. | ||
| So this guy's expressing that there's a thousand-year criminal operation that the Democrats are in, and they're afraid that Trump is going to blow that up. | ||
| Right. | ||
| This is an interesting idea, and it'll come into play later. | ||
| Trump is finally taking down the Knights Templar. | ||
| Perhaps. | ||
| It's about time. | ||
| But this caller, after this, they get into talking about the Drag Queen story hour, and he has some thoughts about it. | ||
| I bet they're great. | ||
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Well... | |
| Mic down for this. | ||
| Oh boy, that doesn't bode well. | ||
| This is bad. | ||
| And then also, listen to how Alex doesn't push back against his ideas. | ||
| That is very important to Alex playing his role as the inspirer of terrorism while keeping his own hands clean. | ||
| One thing you say that I like is you don't need orders from headquarters? | ||
| Well, a civilian, a parent or a legal guardian, doesn't need the police, in my eyes, being a cop. | ||
| To go to the school and grab that drag queen and drag them out in the parking lot and dispose of them. | ||
| If you're in that school and you're in kids and somebody's not stopping it, I should have the legal right to go in there and put you down without repercussions. | ||
| Well, the bottom line is we're going to run their plates. | ||
| We're going to follow the law and we're going to get them. | ||
| God bless you, Doug. | ||
| He doesn't say, how dare you? | ||
| You have now on my show twice in two sentences, or maybe even one run-on sentence, said that you should have the legal right to murder these people because you disagree with their lifestyle, with their identity, however you want to frame it. | ||
| Whatever it is, this guy, and I don't know if you caught that, he's a cop! | ||
| He believes... | ||
| That was some good unison talking about there. | ||
| He believes that he should be able to go in there, drag them in the parking lot, and kill them. | ||
| Where did he say he was from? | ||
| I don't remember. | ||
| Because that does seem like something that should be reported and he should definitely be... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He should be taken down. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| At very least. | ||
| At least. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| At very least, Alex has a fucking responsibility to be like... | ||
| And he's like, you know, we're going to run their plates and follow the law. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| No, he has a responsibility to say... | ||
| Absolutely not. | ||
| You do not have the right to kill people just because you disagree with them. | ||
| But he can't, because earlier in the show, he said that they want to prepare your kids to be thrown in vans, and they're going to drink their blood and feast on their flesh. | ||
| That sort of thing can't exist in a moderate world. | ||
| It can't exist in a place where what you're prescribing, what you're advocating is... | ||
| Let's follow the process and make sure that the library is actually going through with the background checks that they're supposed to be going through so we can make sure that whatever potential damage or whatever potential possible damage is mitigated. | ||
| Because these people, like the Houston Library, also put out a statement that was like, we fucked up and all that stuff. | ||
| We didn't follow our own process. | ||
| But in that same statement, we already have in place, whenever there's anything that has to do with kids, any event with children, nobody is left alone with children ever already. | ||
| There were no complaints about any of these people. | ||
| There was no incident. | ||
| But we're not using that as a way to say, we didn't do anything wrong. | ||
| No, absolutely not. | ||
| But we have other safeguards in place. | ||
| But still, the conversation that Alex is having cannot involve... | ||
| The correct conversation. | ||
| It can only inspire people like this guy to feel entitled to murder people. | ||
| And I think the same issue is occurring. | ||
| Whatever precinct he's working for doesn't have screening. | ||
| I think he's a former cop. | ||
| Well, whoever doesn't have a screening process in place to keep these people from... | ||
| Being anywhere near law enforcement. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't... | ||
| Or if they do, they didn't go well. | ||
| I think there's an entirely also possible world where he's not really a cop and just says... | ||
| Yeah, that's entirely possible. | ||
| He's an Alex Jones caller, so whatever. | ||
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Yeah, that's true. | |
| The only thing that's sincere is his desire to kill people. | ||
| He wants to kill. | ||
| Right. | ||
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God, that's fucked up. | |
| Without consequences. | ||
| I think what should happen is I should be allowed to murder because somebody read a story to my kid... | ||
| While wearing a dress. | ||
| ...and that should be written into law that it's fine. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah, gotcha. | ||
| That's a... | ||
| That's a tough precedent. | ||
| That might be difficult to slippery slope around. | ||
| Yeah, that would get unwieldy real fast. | ||
| So whenever we talk about a lot of this stuff, like taking it quite seriously throughout this episode, the things that Alex is putting into the world, the ideas, the rhetoric that he uses, one of the reasons is because it exists with this. | ||
| This caller being on the show is not a surprise to me. | ||
| The caller expressing ideas like that is exactly what you would expect people who internalize and believe what Alex says to hear from what he's saying. | ||
| So whenever you are saying earlier in the episode, when you hear this stuff, how can you not think you should kill these people? | ||
| Because they are going to only... | ||
| They're harming your children. | ||
| Why wait until they actually do the thing that you're afraid of? | ||
| Because then they fucking... | ||
| Damaged your child. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Why would you wait for that to happen? | ||
| You need to protect your child. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| You know, I think... | ||
| Whenever you say stuff like that, I think that people could hear you making a leap that is inappropriate or something like that, but it's not. | ||
| Because all we have to do is get to the end of the episode when Alex takes calls from his listeners to hear them having that exact same thought but not being afraid of that thought, thinking it's the right thing to do. | ||
| So... | ||
| What I'm saying is this is just the worst. | ||
| Yeah, and again, it's stupid to point out hypocrisy, but think if somebody called in to fucking our show and was like, you know what? | ||
| When trans people hear that kind of rhetoric from somebody... | ||
| They should have every legal right to go and kill that person. | ||
| Because the end result of his behavior and his language is going to be the murder and harassment and abuse of people in the LGBT community. | ||
| So the attack has already been made. | ||
| It's only right for them to get murdered. | ||
| The law should recognize it. | ||
| We wouldn't accept that. | ||
| Of course not. | ||
| And the right wing would go insane! | ||
| If we took calls and someone did call in with that, we would probably hang up on them and then spend 20 minutes discussing why that's not okay. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Which is the response. | ||
| Because if someone calls in your show and expresses something like that, you have to recognize that that's a symptom of a major problem. | ||
| And that problem is something that you have a responsibility to deal with. | ||
| Because you are putting out the ideas into the world that's making people think things like this. | ||
| So you have a slight responsibility, I believe, to take a step back and have a bit of an educational moment where you can be like, guys, things have gotten a little bit out of hand. | ||
| I know I said that they were drinking blood, and I totally think that's true, but we live in a civilized society, and if somebody's drinking blood, you can't just go around killing them. | ||
| It's almost like a thing where you've got to be like, guys, this is getting out of hand. | ||
| Now I intentionally made it get out of hand. | ||
| That's why Alex can't do that. | ||
| Yeah, of course not. | ||
| And one of the reasons that I'm very afraid of the idea that someone's going to hurt one of these people or kill them at any of these storied hours is that... | ||
| We have a clear example here of someone thinking it's okay to express that on a radio show, on a national radio show. | ||
| The discourse is so toxic and so dangerous that that isn't an idea that Alex even pushes back against. | ||
| It's not like when he comes back from break, he's like, wow, that caller said something. | ||
| That's pretty wild shit, huh, guys? | ||
| All right, we're going to move on. | ||
| It's just allowed to exist as something that isn't. | ||
| It's not something that is beyond the line. | ||
| And so the idea that someone might think like, maybe I should do this, it seems within the realm of possibility to me. | ||
| And if that does happen... | ||
| I do hope that Alex gets sued again. | ||
| Like, I know that when we started the show two years ago, I was very insistent about the idea that I think that Alex is on the right side of a lot of laws. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| That has changed. | ||
| That is not the same. | ||
| I do think he still was on the right side of it years ago. | ||
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A while back. | |
| Probably. | ||
| But he is not any longer. | ||
| Man, and that's... | ||
| And we know... | ||
| We know that hate crimes have risen steadily, if not exponentially. | ||
| No, you didn't see Candace Owens' testimony today. | ||
| Since Trump, and they feel so energized and excited that it's almost, it's less possible and more fucking probable at this point that we're going to see a crime. | ||
| It feels... | ||
| A very real assault, at least. | ||
| It feels that way, but we can't predict the future. | ||
| Of course not. | ||
| It just seems rough. | ||
| It seems rough. | ||
| So, that same caller, you know, he brought up earlier that there's this thousand-year criminal racket that the Democrats are running. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| The Democrats have been running a thousand-year racket. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I guess it's the globalists, whatever. | ||
| What did they call themselves? | ||
| The Jacobins. | ||
| I think that was before the Jacobins, even. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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| A little bit. | ||
| No shit. | ||
| Alex's stupid ideas about where liberalism sprung from, it's even more recent than a thousand years. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| I don't really care to engage with that. | ||
| I only think it's important because it's a teaser. | ||
| You hear that sort of an idea and you're like, oh, this guy's into something fucked up. | ||
| It turns out he's into QAnon. | ||
| And so he brings up QAnon and it leads Alex to clarify his position. | ||
| Love it! | ||
| And remember, this is the same guy who said that he should be able to shoot a drag queen who's at a reading at a library because he disagrees with them and he shouldn't be punished. | ||
| Once again, it is a person... | ||
| Not a surprise. | ||
| It's a person wearing clothes, reading a book. | ||
| Not a surprise that that sort of idea is expressed by someone who's into QAnon. | ||
| Also not a surprise Alex changes his tune and is now into QAnon. | ||
| Well, I'm not bragging about this, but when Murphy or Blymouth all talk about me, they visibly look like they're scared. | ||
| I like that. | ||
| I like that. | ||
| Well, they should be scared, man. | ||
| And one thing I was going to say about Q, he had a quote on there one time that said, there'll be a time when it is not safe for these people to walk the streets anymore. | ||
| And I got to tell you, what they're doing with kids, we know it. | ||
| Well, let me say this about Q. I got manipulated. | ||
| By somebody close to me that I learned was bad. | ||
| The cue was bad. | ||
| There's some fake cues out there, but the main cue is right, and I made a whole apology about it, because what they said about Mueller starting to come true, and I have to actually eat crow, I just haven't figured out how to do it yet, that a large part of it is accurate. | ||
| It's tough to eat crow. | ||
| All those bones. | ||
| So the issue here is, I think what he's saying is Corsi led him astray. | ||
| He's probably trying to blame Corsi. | ||
| That sounds right. | ||
| Because Jerome Corsi was super into QAnon. | ||
| He was decoding all the messages and stuff like that. | ||
| He was writing a book about QAnon. | ||
| And then QAnon started saying that Jerome Corsi was full of shit. | ||
| And then Jerome Corsi turned on QAnon. | ||
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Of course! | |
| There was a whole nonsensical back and forth there. | ||
| And I think that Alex is referring to that. | ||
| Or it's possible that it's Steve Pachenik. | ||
| Those are the two possible people who led Alex to be against QAnon. | ||
| To be against the fake Qs. | ||
| Well, no. | ||
| He didn't know that there is multiple Qs or something. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know if there are, but this is Alex's way to be able to accept the bigger picture of QAnon with still being able to say, like, no, I don't believe that. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Anything he disagrees with or is inconvenient for him... | ||
| Is not the real Q. Right, exactly. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| No, that's exactly... | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| And I suspect it's really more of a marketing ploy than anything else. | ||
| It's a clever little trick, because what it really means is you're saying absolutely nothing. | ||
| I'm going to say the exact same shit that I did before. | ||
| I'm only going to attribute certain things to Q whenever I want to, and then a caller can call in and say something stupid, and I'll be like, yeah, that's the real Q. But I think Alex also is probably signaling in some ways that he's come to a point where he realizes that there's a very real possibility that... | ||
| The QAnon audience is bigger than his, and he needs to get in some of that. | ||
| I don't know exactly, because that's all that is said. | ||
| Like, that's all. | ||
| He said that he needs to eat crow, but he hasn't figured out how to do it yet. | ||
| So we can assume that that's forthcoming at some point, that he'll do a big message about his exact position on QAnon. | ||
| And when that happens, I'll look into it, and we'll discuss it more in depth. | ||
| But as it is now, I think there's some dangerous possibilities with this. | ||
| Like, the idea of that and Alex working in concert more than they have been up till this point could be fucked up. | ||
| It could lead to some pretty dangerous trends. | ||
| But we have to see how it plays out. | ||
| At this point, I really don't think that there's much to go on because it is just that clip. | ||
| He's blaming Steve Pachanek or Corsi for turning him against QAnon and now saying he's going to clarify later. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| But I'm bummed out by this, just on a personal level, because it's weak. | ||
| But then secondarily, because now I've got to fucking look into QAnon. | ||
| I didn't want to do that. | ||
| I'm pretty stoked I still don't have to. | ||
| If Alex is teaming up, there's so much back research I've got to do now. | ||
| Yeah, I should probably familiarize myself. | ||
| I'm going to have to go over... | ||
| I'm going to have to read books. | ||
| I'm going to have to read Corsi's book. | ||
| Nah, nah, nah. | ||
| Get a wiki. | ||
| We'll see. | ||
| It'll be fine. | ||
| When we know more, we'll talk more. | ||
| But here's the interesting thing. | ||
| I wanted to go back and talk a little bit about what Alex used to say about QAnon as a little bit of a sort of refresher. | ||
| Now, we'll recall that in 2018, on Christmas Eve, Alex Jones was in studio. | ||
| And he told the world that he had told Roger Stone to get in touch with Julian Assange. | ||
| Yes, I do recall that. | ||
| And then he started throwing hatchets at the cameras. | ||
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That was fun. | |
| That was fun. | ||
| So that was that Christmas Eve. | ||
| An abusive boss is hilarious. | ||
| If we go back to the Christmas Eve prior, Alex also got into studio and he had a message for the world. | ||
| It's Christmas Eve. | ||
| And I have come into the office to... | ||
| Stream this emergency transmission on YouTube and Facebook. | ||
| Facebook? | ||
| Because if this doesn't get major attention and if this doesn't break through into the public's psyche, the globalists have a decent chance of killing the president in the next two weeks and taking over the media using the emergency alert system, the Obama kill switch that's still in place, to really... | ||
| Bring this country into a civil emergency, as they'll call it, but it's really martial law. | ||
| Now, in the last few months, I have followed, but never really spoken of, QAnon, or QAnonymous. | ||
| And a lot of what QAnon has said, I already have gotten separately from my White House sources, my Pentagon sources, my CIA sources. | ||
| And folks know we have amazing sources. | ||
| He brings it up to be like, yeah, they're saying some stuff that's real, but even implied in there is that there's, you know, it's whack. | ||
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| It's whack. | ||
| I got the real sources. | ||
| In this next clip from that Christmas Eve show, he brings up that, you know, because it started as the storm. | ||
| There was the storm, the calm before the storm. | ||
| The storm is coming. | ||
| Riders on the storm. | ||
| Alex literally says that he is the storm. | ||
| The storm is real. | ||
| It's called America coming back. | ||
| It's called Infowars. | ||
| It's called electing Trump. | ||
| It's called fulfilling promises. | ||
| It's called sovereignty returning. | ||
| So he's making himself what the people who are listening to QAnon are actually talking about. | ||
| We are what you're talking about. | ||
| We are the change that you want to see in the world with your piddly online QAnon bullshit. | ||
| And the reason... | ||
| That he was on that tip. | ||
| And the reason that he was sort of dismissive of QAnon is because at that point, he is trying to push Zach. | ||
| His fake intelligence source. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| As the real QAnon. | ||
| And it's not taken off. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| I forgot about Zach. | ||
| People weren't interested in it. | ||
| Alex had this whole pageant that he played. | ||
| This radio drama where Zach came on and talked to him and then got taken in by the FBI. | ||
| He told them that he's going to talk to Alex and then he had to flee to Morocco. | ||
| It turns out he was actually just on family vacation or something along those lines. | ||
| And then Zach disappeared because the narrative didn't work out. | ||
| And I'm guessing that Zach just kind of got tired of... | ||
| Playing this role for Alex, whatever he was doing, this LARP that he was doing just didn't work. | ||
| It's kind of amazing that they thought it had a chance. | ||
| I don't understand why conspiracy theorists... | ||
| I think it was worth it. | ||
| Let's think about conspiracy theorists. | ||
| Who are they going to go with as far as conspiracies? | ||
| QAnon or... | ||
| Zach. | ||
| I believe Zach was also spelled with a Q, which I think was intentional. | ||
| That's nice. | ||
| I like that. | ||
| Z-A-Q. | ||
| But yeah, come on. | ||
| Also, Alex other times spelled it Z-A-K. | ||
| I'm not entirely sure. | ||
| It's more evidence that it's not a real person. | ||
| It's actually Dax Shepard. | ||
| Could have been. | ||
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So... | |
| Alex was mad that Zach was not as popular as QAnon. | ||
| And I believe that that's probably one of the main things that he had against QAnon. | ||
| Is that he had his own version of it that he was trying to push. | ||
| And that it wasn't as popular. | ||
| ZachAnon was right there. | ||
| Yep, it is. | ||
| It's right there. | ||
| But it's no longer anonymous. | ||
| His name is Zach. | ||
| So in this next clip, he sort of expresses that resentment. | ||
| That his hoax is not as popular as the other one. | ||
| Zach is who he says he is. | ||
| And here he is on the show, and it's only got 44,000 views. | ||
| Again, some little comment about QAnon gets a million. | ||
| That's great. | ||
| This guy's real. | ||
| This guy's known to us, who he is. | ||
| There's TV programs with him in it. | ||
| His voice, his face. | ||
| We've talked to him. | ||
| He's on. | ||
| He gives us this stuff exclusively. | ||
| And he's had to leave the country to give you this information. | ||
| This is the real QAnon. | ||
| Which implies that the other one is the fake one. | ||
| The QAnon that is QAnon is fake, and Zack is the real shit. | ||
| So that's most of what Alex's positions have been about QAnon over the course of his being against it, is Zack is the real thing. | ||
| Let's get my revenue stream involved here. | ||
| And it didn't work out, so Zach disappeared. | ||
| It's interesting that he experiences some of the feelings that I've definitely experienced, where he's like, Zach is real, even though he's not. | ||
| But we only got 44,000 views! | ||
| And I'm like, man, Infowars gets millions of views, and we are... | ||
| We're real! | ||
| It's got to feel bad, though. | ||
| Those views are empty. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| The reason that I bring that back up is to show just a little bit of a only, you know, what is it, a year and a couple months, a year and a half ago or so. | ||
| That was the position and the official editorial position Alex had on QAnon. | ||
| It was anti because Zach was the real one and Zach was in the house. | ||
| We're back in Trump's mobbed up territory. | ||
| No. | ||
| Oh, similar trajectories. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| I thought you meant timeline. | ||
| No, no, no, absolutely not. | ||
| So I bring this up because after Alex has made this point to this caller that QAnon, you know, there's a good version of it and I'm into it and, you know, I got led astray by people I trusted, he tries to bring Zack back into the proceedings and he claims that he's on the phone, but he never gets to him because I don't think he actually was. | ||
| Let's go ahead. | ||
| I was about to go to Zach, but it looked like he just hung up. | ||
| So let's go ahead and talk to Grant in Iowa. | ||
| Grant, you're on the air. | ||
| Go ahead. | ||
| Show ends. | ||
| Does not call back in. | ||
| I don't think Zach was on the phone. | ||
| I think that Alex was just trying to reintroduce the idea that he had this guy who was his real QAnon. | ||
| Refresh it into people's memories. | ||
| Because even right before he goes to him on the phone, just a little bit earlier, he had said, oh, we got Zach calling in. | ||
| He hasn't called in like three or four months. | ||
| Why hasn't he called in in three or four months, Alex? | ||
| It's a weird coincidence that the moment I say I think some QAnon is real, I want to bring Zach back up. | ||
| I want to bring my real QAnon in this. | ||
| It's so weird. | ||
| So there's some angles being played, and it might be a part of why he hasn't figured out how to eat crow yet. | ||
| I haven't figured out how to work what I used to say about Zach into my new position. | ||
| I'm interested to see where it develops, but honestly I have no idea because Alex is now in Los Angeles. | ||
| And he's making a tour through all of the Death Squad podcasts. | ||
| Yeah, great. | ||
| He was on Sam Tripoli's podcast, apparently. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| Which we won't listen to. | ||
| What are these guys doing? | ||
| He was on Joey Diaz's coming up, apparently. | ||
| They just saw that Rogan's got a shit ton of downloads, and they're like, let's play this out and see when Diminishing Returns happens. | ||
| Right, and I think they'll find out very quickly. | ||
| So I'm not interested in any of those. | ||
| If he's back on Rogan, we might listen to it, but I don't have much interest in us doing an episode where he gets yelled at by Joey Diaz. | ||
| I kind of want to, though. | ||
| We'll see. | ||
| That'd be fun. | ||
| Joey Diaz can dial it up when he wants to. | ||
| In terms of fan service, I might bite the bullet and go ahead and do that, but I'm not interested in it. | ||
| I wasn't interested in this episode either, except for as a message, or I guess as something that is important to point out. | ||
| A lot of the stuff is stuff we've seen before, like rank transphobia, anti-LGBT messaging, the conflation of cross-dressing drag queen performance and trans folk, that sort of stuff. | ||
| We've seen that horrible rhetoric pushed out into the world before, but... | ||
| The directness of how much this is trying to get people hurt and then the caller calling in saying I should be able to kill these people if I want to with no consequences I think is a new level of demonstrable danger that Alex is perpetuating and putting into the world. | ||
| So I think it's worth discussing for that. | ||
| And then no one would have let us get away with not talking about Alex going back to QAnon. | ||
| But it's such a small part of this episode. | ||
| It could, in the future, turn out to be something major. | ||
| This could be the kernel of Alex pivoting some narratives and that being his new direction. | ||
| The where we go one, we go all nonsense. | ||
| He could, but that's left to be seen. | ||
| This could be a small blip and it'd just be a marketing ploy on his part in some way to tap into a fertile market that he feels he doesn't have access to. | ||
| We'll see on that. | ||
| But what's not up for debate is how... | ||
| I really appreciate doing this. | ||
| Because it is... | ||
| I think it's really important to keep this in front of our faces and in front of as many faces as possible. | ||
| Because there would be... | ||
| There is an absolute instinct of like... | ||
| Well, we already know how he feels about trans people. | ||
| Right. | ||
| We don't even need to talk about it because everybody already knows. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But I think it's really important to keep it coming back up just so you're always confronted with the reality of what people are saying about the LGBTQ community. | ||
| Especially as it escalates. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Because this is an escalation. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You've heard him say that these people are demons and stuff before, but maybe not in such an ugly way. | ||
| We've never really seen it be so clearly justifying of violence. | ||
| And so that does mark a very serious escalation. | ||
| And I think that this could... | ||
| I think that there is the basis of a lawsuit no matter what happens. | ||
| But if something bad happens, I think there's the basis of a very serious lawsuit that Alex could have put himself into the hopper for. | ||
| This is so hateful. | ||
| Yeah, it's awful. | ||
| We've reached the end of this, and thank you all for listening. | ||
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| True. | ||
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| Do the whole thing. | ||
| Good times. | ||
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Absolutely. | |
| But, Blumenthal. | ||
| Blumenthal! | ||
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That's not bad. | |
| Though Alex says that he is the leader of the Dracula demons who are going to drink everyone's blood. | ||
| Trauma. | ||
| At this point, I see no evidence that he's ever killed anybody. | ||
| But, technically, one guy who probably has, technically, on a probable basis, technically, Alex Jones. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
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I'm a huge fan. | |
| I love your work. |