#273: March 5-6, 2019 dissects Alex Jones’ baseless claims—like the UK’s age verification system being a "porn tracking dossier" and No Outsiders LGBT curriculum as "pedophilic assault"—while debunking his attacks on AOC (no stolen funds) and Michelle Obama (racist conspiracy theories). His rushed research (300 pages in an hour) and selective outrage over Tommy Robinson’s harassment of a journalist expose his pattern of misinformation. Paul Joseph Watson’s departure from InfoWars signals the network’s fading influence, as Jones clings to outdated tactics and fading credibility, proving his empire is built on hollow spectacle rather than substance. [Automatically generated summary]
So, Jordan, today we have a monumental episode to go over that will cover the days of March 15th.
5th and 6th, which is Tuesday and Thursday of this week, if you're paying attention to days of the week, there's some crazy bullshit that happens on this show, and an announcement that will shake the core of the very info war.
And there's a lot of things that we can speculate about what it means, why it's happening, what's going on, and we'll get to that quite a ways down the road.
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Because he has been talking about that being almost ready for a really long time.
So I believe that they finally finished that studio and are making use of it.
I don't believe he's going to go to 20 hours a day.
I think that's just the brash talk that he's been going on for a long time.
But the fact that he's in the position that he's in now with all of this, getting off of all of these platforms, everything rolling back, he's talked very openly.
And even on the Rogan episode, he was talking about how...
Getting kicked off of Spotify and iTunes really hurt him.
So, Alex has a big story out of the UK that he wants to talk about, and it has to do with them creating a new system to try and get kids to not be able to access porn on the internet.
I have some thoughts about that, but my chief thought is what Alex is about to say is stupid and inaccurate.
Headline that the national move in the UK to ban...
Quote, free porn is really an Internet tax and an Internet tracking system.
So this is it.
This is the plan.
And I told folks a couple years ago when they were talking about it that this is what's being implemented.
But it's sold.
It's just, oh, you pay the government, and then they put software on your computer that watches what you do, and you give them your ID or your passport, and now you can go look at any porn you want.
So I'm going to say that again.
The government is going to have a dossier.
Hit me!
But publicly, you're going to opt into a dossier that knows what porn you're watching.
So you and your wife, it's Saturday night, you go in, you turn on the television, you dial into the internet, and you pull up whatever your wife sends you.
They're putting into place an age verification system that will require people to prove their age on an age ID system by providing their license or passport in order to access free porn sites on the internet, like Pornhub, YouPorn, that sort of thing.
They will only be required to do this one time as the cookies in their browser will retain that verification and not require it to be put in every time they click on a new porn site.
So, this makes some sense, although I think it's a little bit of a clunky system.
Like, if you have a shared computer, your kids could still easily slip through if you verify your browser.
There are other ways, it seems pretty obvious, ways that you could get around this, but that's not really the big issue.
The big concern, I would imagine, would be privacy.
If you give the government your passport and get an ID code, they can obviously track all the porn you look at.
And that does sound kind of scary.
Luckily, the government thought about that and offered another way users can get an age ID.
From an article in The Sun, quote, In the UK.
There's a system that they've built into the program to provide a layer of privacy, while still ideally working towards making it harder for kids to find porn.
I don't think it's worthwhile.
I think you're fighting an uphill battle.
But at the same time, I kind of understand, you know, it's insanely easy for people to find porn.
And if you want to, like back in the day when it was much harder, when there were just like magazines and stuff like that.
And now with the internet the way it is, if you still want to make it a rule that this stuff is prohibited to people under 18, you do need to come up with a new novel system to be able to do that.
I get it, but I also think it's probably ineffective.
But the arguments towards creating a dossier of people's habits and stuff like that is they have parts of the system that are in place specifically to assuage that concern.
One of the ways that so many books that the church banned...
What got around in Europe during the 1400s to 1800s or whatever it is, is there was a massive ring of porn distribution.
And it was just weird illuminated texts.
But that ring was so huge that stuff like the Bible, literally the Bible, which people weren't even allowed to read because the use was restricted, was also being sent along with...
And for all of its exploitive character at periods throughout the porn industry's history, it has always also been, like, even what you're describing is a piece of the vanguard of speech.
On many fronts, it generally ends up being a battle.
You don't want to fight.
It ends up becoming a whole mess, especially because the times they've tried in terms of our government, it becomes like this confusing, nonsensical thing.
So, in this next clip, Alex is certain that the UK isn't just trying to stop kids from looking at pornography as their stated objective would lead you to believe because he knows more about these people.
The story that Alex is talking about here is about a school in Saltley, Birmingham, in the UK, where students were being taught about LGBT issues with the goal of curbing homophobia early in their lives.
This educational program was being taught by a man named Andrew Moffitt, who, interestingly, is one of ten teachers out of all the teachers in the world.
Who is on a shortlist to win the Varky Foundation Global Teacher Prize for Best Teacher in the World.
There were over 10,000 nominees from 179 countries for this honor.
And he's one of the top 10 best teachers in the world.
Moffitt created a program called No Outsiders that seeks to promote tolerance and understanding in school-aged children, which was based on his extensive study in the field of education.
Unfortunately, he ended up getting a ton of threats from Muslim and Christian parents who felt that his program was sexual, which is kind of an indication that these parents could have used a program like Moffitt's back when they were in school.
There were parents who complained, or Christian parents who complained, but the story is largely reported as tons of Muslim parents because it was in a largely Muslim school.
I'm sure the people writing the article definitely had their own little bit of, it was Muslims who were, you know, there was a little bit of that there.
And so Alex thinks that the only reason that these, like, he seems to be operating under the assumption that at this school the program still continues, but because these Muslim people made a big stink about it, they were allowed to get out of the program.
I mean, if that happened at the park, you'd go to jail.
If a man walked over at the park while you're sitting there grilling hamburgers and said, I'm going to teach your daughter and your son about sex, they'd be arrested as being a pervert.
But now if it's done officially by the school, it's okay.
So, meanwhile, just today, you've got massive arrest of giant Islamic grooming gangs of little girls.
And then you've got the leftist allied with radical Islam saying, come on in, do whatever you want.
But now the Muslims are saying, hey, you're not going to teach my five-year-old how to give a blowjob.
It's what they teach in U.K. schools.
Or that he's going to put a dress on him.
And so now the left's saying, it's okay.
Muslims can opt out, but no one else can, and you'll be arrested if you're not a Muslim.
So see, this is how the whole leftist system works.
None of that is true in terms of the response to the school's program.
And I was curious about this idea that he was putting forth about the idea that just recently there was a large Muslim grooming gang that got arrested.
Pedophile grooming gang.
So in the last month or so, there have been two stories about groups of child abusers who have been arrested by groups of child abusers.
One story in the Daily Mail talks about...
Five men and one woman being arrested in Buri.
And the Epoch Times ran a story about 33 men being arrested for sexually abusing children between 2002 and 2005 in West Yorkshire.
Those are the only big stories you can really find from recent times about England and groups engaged in child exploitation.
Neither of these stories includes any indication or even insinuation as to the race or religious persuasion of those arrested.
And this brings us to an important piece of the equation.
Right-wing manipulation of a serious issue for political gain.
There's a prevailing idea that a vast majority of grooming gang behavior is perpetrated by Asian individuals, the demographic category in the United Kingdom that involves people of Middle Eastern descent.
This is based on a report put out by the think tank Quillium that purported to show that 84% of grooming gang offenders are, quote, of Pakistani origin with Muslim heritage.
This is accepted as gospel by people in the xenophobic, hyper-nationalist bent, folks like Tommy Robinson and Alex Jones.
However, people who have reviewed their report have found some serious problems with it.
The largest is that, quote, grooming gang offender is not a legal designation that exists in the United Kingdom.
The behavior that it describes, group-based child sexual exploitation, could be counted as any number of offenses depending on investigatory circumstances.
So, according to The Guardian, quote, Nazir Afzal is the Crown Prosecutor Service's former lead on child sexual abuse and the prosecutor most responsible for bringing down grooming gangs.
The media, he observes, pounces on cases involving Asians, but often ignores those involving white perpetrators.
They go on to point out that an offender's ethnicity is often only recorded Surprise.
Quilliam claimed to have found 58 cases of grooming gang arrests between 2005 and 2017, but problematically, the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Center found 57 cases of group-based child sexual exploitation arrests in just 2012, 12, which calls into serious question how thorough Quilliam was with their data sets.
The group Regressive Left Media did a completely savage takedown of this study, which cuts through all the problems in their definitions, sources, methodology, analysis, and everything else about the report, including links to stories of over 100 white perpetrators that match Quilliam's data requirements who were completely ignored by the report.
A list that the Regressive Left Media compiled in, quote, "less than half"Yeah, that sounds right.
So she speculated that Quilliam put out this report out of a desire for funding, and if that's the case, it worked.
They received $20,000 from Sam Harris and over a million dollars in a grant from...
John Templeton Foundation.
Interestingly, a peer-reviewed study in Association Today found that the Templeton Foundation was part of a network of foundations that "supplied funds to the five organizations involved in actively mobilizing Tea Party activists." Templeton even financed a group called Let Freedom Ring, which was deeply involved in Tea Party activity.
And Templeton Jr., the head of the foundation, was listed in a 2011 Mother Jones piece as being among the donors lauded at a Koch Industries seminar as having given over a million dollars to Koch-aligned causes.
Well, I mean, it was his dad who started the whole foundation, but the junior seems to be more active in a lot of this stuff.
This is the Overton window shifting to bigotry, Jordan.
Billionaires finance shady organizations to put out terrible studies to give cover to extremists like Tommy Robinson and Alex Jones so they can work to distract the public from working to actually solve the world's biggest problem, namely that there are billionaires.
But I think what's probably the most important part about all this is the victims' voices that are lost in the shuffle.
They're basically just being used as props by these bigots to run their anti-diversity scams, and that is a tragedy.
The Independent ran a piece in March 2018 written by a woman who survived being kidnapped and abused by the Rotherham Grooming Gang, and I think her perspective is one that Alex needs to hear.
In mainland Europe, conflict surrounding immigrants and refugees has been fueled by stories of women being raped by migrants.
People have been calling for violent action against any Muslims and have declared war on Islam.
As someone who has experienced life inside a grooming gang, I can tell you with certainty that none of this is likely to make a difference to the behaviors of groomers.
Like terrorists, they firmly believe that the crimes they carry out are justified by their religious beliefs.
If anything, rising anti-Muslim hate will probably make groomers stronger in their convictions and drive ordinary young Muslim men towards fundamentalism, grooming gangs, and...
All the major world religions, including Hinduism and Buddhism, have also at some point or at some time been associated with extreme human rights abuses against men, women, and children.
I experienced horrific religiously sanctioned sexual violence and torture, so I definitely believe that we need to be aware of religious extremism as something potentially harmful, so that we can protect people from it.
But for Tommy Robinson and his followers to focus on an entire religion based on a cruel misinterpretation of some scriptures by some people is unhelpful to say the least.
Many of his religious theories and conjecture are not anything I can relate to in my real life experience.
So...
What we walk away from all that with is this idea about grooming gangs is generally used as propaganda against Muslims based on this dubious origin and dubiously written report by the Quilliam think tank.
And then people who have experienced this have a different perspective on it than people who, like Tommy Robinson, are trying to create a career out of fighting against...
Yeah.
using people like this survivor as a shield from criticism.
But even a book like that, and I know there's magical realism to it and what have you, but even that, you sit down and someone could read it and take away one thing and you could take an entirely different thing away.
It's actually a really good book, but when you're like 16 and you read it, you're like, fuck you, but then later on you read it and you're like, oh shit, this is actually pretty great.
So I told you to hold your tongue a tiny bit on that idea that you were putting forth about him interpreting all of these school programs as being sexual.
And it was because of this next clip where he gets real gross.
They're upset that there's grown adults talking to their five-year-old sons and daughters about their sexual preference because kids aren't thinking about that.
I mean, if a dad or mom started asking their five-year-old about, have you heard about sadomasochism?
Have you heard about sex changes in children?
Have you heard about fisting?
This is what they teach five-year-olds.
The kids are like, what?
And they're just totally screwing them up.
I mean, it's irreverable pedophilic assault, but it's all done by the leftist social engineers, so it's all A-OK.
So, in this next clip, Alex gets super weird, because as we discussed earlier, this idea that he's putting forth about the idea that Muslim parents complained about this.
Now, Muslims can get out of this gay indoctrination or whatever.
To the Islamic Muslim community of the UK because they're the only groups consistently protesting and saying no to children as young as three years of age being taught that they're sexually active, that boys are girls, that girls are boys, and they've been protesting and saying no to the pedophile cult that runs the UK.
And so I salute...
The Muslims in the UK for being better people than the average British citizen and better than the police and better than the government that's run by pedophiles.
The last, like, three years of your show has been nothing but fucking Islamophobic rants.
He did that thing a couple years back where he's like, I'm satirically going to suggest kicking all Muslims out of the country to get a conversation going.
Grooming gangs usually stop at 12. They're super into exploitation and kidnapping and enslaving people, but you bring them a 10-year-old and they're like, hey guys, we have limits.
It is that kind of brief moment where it almost seems like he realizes that Christian extremists like himself have far more in common with Muslim extremists than they do with anybody else.
It's that brief moment of like...
Hey, man, you want to do blah, and I want to kill people too, but at least we can both agree that gays are bad.
So in this next clip, Alex has another big breaking story, and it has to do with...
So, you know, Paul and Alex like to talk about how liberals have Trump derangement syndrome, and that is that anything Trump does is no good, and they just are triggered.
If we've seen anything since the midterms, it's that there's a far larger proportion of media figures, on the right especially, that have an AOC syndrome.
I think one of the main reasons is that she's one of the only people who can really eat their lunch, in the sense that she engages on social media and dunks on people.
The next thing I'm going to get to is so big that I really don't want to just put it out there and not give it the attention it deserves, but I'm going to do it.
Yeah, I read some of the story, and immediately it was, like, I read the headline, and then I read a little bit more, and I was like, oh, guys, you are really trying everything.
Especially the con artist variety in the right are very afraid of this.
So you can easily find FEC data about the funding of AOC's campaign.
It would be very hard for them to have pocketed millions, considering there are hard records, reflecting that they only raised a little more than $2 billion and had expenditures of approximately $1.6 million for the campaign.
The amount even raised from political action committees is only $81,592, so I'm not sure where Alex is getting any of this info from.
Also, I have no idea what records from the Securities Exchange Commission...
When he throws, like, I looked into the SEC records about her campaign funding.
All right, buddy.
So, um...
This is all just part of a right-wing smear, trying to allege campaign finance violations on the part of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and her staff.
I don't pretend to know everything, and if in the next few months there are any indications that they did engage in illegal fundraising, that'll be a problem.
And I'll take that when that comes, when there's any proof of it.
It doesn't appear that they did from the information available.
So the issue at hand is that Saikat Chakabarti created a political action committee called Brand New Congress and one called Justice Democrats.
He also founded Brand New Campaign LLC.
What he was attempting to do, and he was very public about this, was he was trying to create a system where it would be possible to run candidates that don't have to spend all their time fundraising.
The political action committees would take in donations and recruit candidates to run for offices.
The PACs would send some of the money to the LLC, which would provide the services needed for these candidates to run and not have to worry about the elements of running for office that often keeps qualified candidates from even considering running.
This is a new fundraising model, so it raises some eyebrows, but their lawyers have vetted what they do and they insist that it's all complicated.
Yeah, and in fact, I believe whenever they came up with the idea, they were...
This is something they've been completely transparent about, and Ryan Grimm, the D.C. Bureau Chief of The Intercept, looked into it back in 2018 and found their practices were all above board, though they looked suspicious on some level.
But once you look into it, it's completely legit.
For at least a year now, Justice Democrats have had a post up on their website explaining how the process works, discussing the legal standards, and highlighting how the money is spent and where it goes, and why the system needs to be set up like that in order to follow.
What happened is that Alex saw a sensational article in the Washington Times and didn't realize that it was just a smear based on something that got thoroughly debunked and explained a year ago.
This is sloppy shit.
But it demonstrates how desperate they are throwing all the spaghetti against the wall.
Trying anything to derail her ability to be on, especially the oversight committee.
That's a place where people on the right do not want someone like her.
Yeah, they have an ability in their capacity as being in the positions they're in to really screw things up for a lot of people who have coasted for a very long time.
And a lot of the stuff, as much as Alex likes to pretend that he's above the rigmarole and the bric-a-brac of politics, he's very beholden to a lot of those things because he defines himself as opposed to it.
If what is mainstream changes, what does he do?
How does he stay in opposition to the thing that is what mainstream culture turns into?
And he's really proud of this video that talks about Adrenochrome and how all these elites are trying to harvest the fear of children in order to drink their blood.
Which again goes back to the blood libel.
Look into that if you want to know why that's bullshit.
And then take another step further past that.
Realize that Hunter S. Thompson wasn't writing real shit.
Take another step past that.
Go read some trip reports from people who have done adrenochrome.
We're not going to listen to too much of her, but I will say that if you go back and you listen to her It's one of those things that I thought about pulling almost too many clips of her appearance, because she's speaking in a lot of code.
I wanted to get you on because you're doing what's really, really important, Faith.
You are going after the shickening...
Oh, sorry.
The shickening...
Republican establishment or really just Democrats and the type of sabotage they're involved in and why this is happening.
You got so many big interviews on your Twitter right now with Michelle Malkin and you, which don't clash, two beautiful women together, two smart women.
No!
I'm married.
I'm married.
Please stop right now.
But tell us what's coming up and what you saw at CPAC.
And then it's even more nuts that he's trying to say that, like, look, if you say you don't have a problem with, like, people being LGBT, but then you also say we have a gay problem in the GOP, those two things cannot exist in the same space.
And so if Alex is talking about that, then his position on this would be totally different.
It would be...
We need to all be more accepting of people of different identities and sexual proclivities as opposed to being like, too many of these fucking GOP people are secretly fucking same-sex Democrats and getting blackmailed.
And so I kept this last one because it's how the interview ends.
And I think Faith, like, I think she, I think this makes it clear the sort of thing that she's saying.
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We all have to do our part because if they just see a couple of leaders, they try to take us out.
But if our numbers keep on growing and we go to a grassroots, a truly grassroots revolution, which means to return to the old order, there's absolutely nothing that these demons and lizard people can do to shut us up.
Yeah, the only way the criticism of Ileana Omar would be something that I would even be willing to entertain is if she tried to code it and be like, see, it's the lizards at APAC who are running everything.
And then I'd be like, ha-ha, now we know what's going on there.
Like, if she bucked back and was defensive about the criticism, as opposed to trying to learn from good faith criticisms that come to her, then it would be a very different conversation that we could be having.
So, Jordan, in this next clip, I mentioned this earlier, Roger Stone has got that old gag order.
I have made the point, I believe I've had private conversations with people through our group, and I think I've mentioned this to you too, that Alex is the...
Probably the primary beneficiary of Roger getting a gag order.
He doesn't have to deal with Roger trying to beg for donations on his show, which was a huge sticking point he was complaining about like a week or two ago.
And now he's like, yeah, I'm the only one who can tell my audience what Roger is saying.
Alex, you son of a bitch, why won't you get on air and tell everyone that Randy Credico hijacked my Instagram like I've been trying to get out but I've been gagged.
So Alex is trying to present the idea that if you're a good globalist and you play along with the system and stuff like that, then you get inside stuff, Ahmad Rashad-style business about Alex's whole website.
You get all of it.
You get NSA-level stuff in there.
The only reason that I think that clip is interesting, because what they're talking about isn't, is that moment where Alex is like, I can't talk about any of this, but Paul, look at me.
I'm telling you something for real.
Like, that is, that's how, I've seen that moment play out between them way more than once.
I'm going to leave that all aside because Alex says some really fucked up things while Paul Joseph Watson is in studio, and Paul is totally fine with it.
The first one isn't all that fucked up, but it is ludicrous.
Yeah, so Alex still embodies some of that, not realizing that it was a kind of memed story about the idea that he had porn on his phone that he accidentally revealed on air and all that stuff.
And then also, it's Debbie Does Dallas, not Debbie Did Dallas.
Paul Joseph Watson is hanging and banging, and we get to Alex comparing what happened, or what he thinks is going on, with Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and his main man, Dinesh D'Souza.
But see how my brain works, Paul, is Dinesh D'Souza had the number two documentary and the number three documentary in history, only Michael Moore above him.
And they were really upset about him going on the 2016 election.
And so they found out that he got a bunch of friends to give $23,000 that they said wasn't listed properly on federal forms.
So he went to jail for nine months.
And I've got the articles right here we can show TV viewers.
D'Souza pleads guilty in New York campaign finance case.
Now, we have AOC Alexandria Cortez.
With $18 million in a secret pack.
She was running two years ago when she claimed she was this bartender.
And millions of dollars, not just a million, several million to her that she never declared under taxes or anywhere else.
He's trying to conflate the idea of these Justice Democrats and the other PAC that have nothing to do necessarily with her but worked on her campaign in the alignment that we were talking about earlier.
So there's a few problems about what Alex is saying here about Dinesh D'Souza and Cortez and their similarities.
The first thing is that they did completely different things.
That's the first problem.
What Dinesh D'Souza did is explicitly a felony.
What AOC did was completely legal and wasn't something she did.
It was the brand new Congress and Justice Democrats.
So it's not even her.
Also, Alex is trying to say that they were worried about Dinesh D'Souza in the 2016 election, so they did this.
And so that whataboutism would be even better served if Alex knew what he was talking about, because then he could spend the argument that, like, hey, you know, Michael Cohen established an LLC in Delaware specifically in order to make those payments to Stormy Daniels.
But in terms of who's going to run for the Democrats, Michelle Obama's not going to run because she needs a physical test, and we know why she's not going to go through with that.
When I hear stuff like this, I just think, like, you have gotten so into the troll-y, meme-lord sort of world of the internet and, like, the parts of Reddit where Trump is super popular and that sort of thing that you have lost control of what you're even saying.
Because in the past, we've heard over and over again him waffle between, like...
Legit accusations that they're lying about Michelle Obama being a female.
And then being like, we were just joking around when people press him about it.
I don't like that he's now sort of reinvigorating this in 2019, but I also recognize that he's probably trying to troll people into covering him.
Like, that's the sort of defensive game that we have to play all the time now.
Because when he talks about these sneak attacks like going on Rogan, the sneak attacks are also him talking about stuff like this.
And what you were bringing up is also a problem because, or not what you're bringing up is a problem, but the sort of conversation about it is because there is a part of it that they're trying to be funny, and it's not funny.
There's no joke here, really.
But the other thing is that Alex keeps bringing it back.
I'm not joking.
This is true.
This is true.
Or whatever.
I believe this.
If the joke is that he keeps saying he believes it, and then there's no joke, I mean, it's an even worse joke.
How many different ways can you describe this as, like, first off, anything...
Actually, you know what?
That invalidates literally anything you have to say about anything.
If you ever talk about anything that the president says or does, or any criticism that the president gets, or any criticism that Melania gets, or any criticism at all, you have invalidated and you are worthless.
My reaction to this is so much similar to so many conversations we've had, where it's like, let's engage with the right and how they think.
I'm allowed to think this, whether I'm right or wrong.
I mean, it's America.
I mean, Michelle Obama looks like a college linebacker.
And then we haven't shown the video.
Can you show her coming out of like, well, they drop their daughters off at school and she comes out and it's like, I mean, everybody's seeing, it's like, you know, it's banging around, it's bouncing around.
She's like having problems getting that water hose in line.
Just a few minutes ago, before we went live, I got an emergency phone call from Tommy Robinson.
He's had leftist Antifa groups that obviously work for MI5, that's come out in internal videos and documents, encamped around his home threatening his family.
The police are staked out down the street with surveillance equipment, listening to everything happening in his house, desperately trying to set him up and send him back to prison for exposing the giant child kidnapping rings that have now been brought down.
To a great extent nationwide.
Tens of thousands of children freed in the last two years, thanks to Tommy Robinson, a living hero.
I thought yesterday on the show you were saying that the Muslims are the only ones who are great in the UK, and now Tommy Robinson, the guy who's made his entire career of demonizing Muslims, is a living hero.
So, Jordan, I want to tell you about what this is about.
On the evening of March 4th, Tommy Robinson showed up at the house of a British journalist by the name of Mike Stuckberry.
I saw this unfolding on Twitter as Stuckberry tweeted about how scary the experience was for him, and his account of the story is backed up by police reports, at least one article in The Guardian, and Tommy Robinson's own live streams that he put out.
Mike had been doing some reporting on Tommy Robinson's habit of showing up at his critics' homes and live-streaming it in a clear attempt to intimidate them into silence, in addition to doxing them without ever really posting the critics' address because he's live-streaming showing up at their house.
Mike had been trying to get the ball rolling on a class-action lawsuit against Robinson for clear instances of him committing defamation.
So naturally, Tommy showed up at Mike's house around 10:15 p.m.
back Just wanted to talk!
Just wanted to talk!
Mike claimed that there was banging on multiple doors and windows, which he took as a sign that it wasn't just Tommy there.
As this was happening, he began getting tons of messages on social media from accounts, very different accounts, saying things about how he'd wronged Tommy.
All stuff Mike has posted screenshots of.
Mike called the police, who arrived and talked to Tommy and told him to leave, which he did, only to return and bang on Mike's door again around 5 a.m.
Mike called the police again and filed another report.
Tommy Robinson is doing damage control on this because it's an absolutely clear case of what he did, which was illegal.
And Mike isn't afraid of him and gave the police audio and video of Tommy's harassment.
To be fair, he probably wouldn't have to give the police anything since Tommy's livestream had all the evidence necessary, including Tommy Robinson giving out Mike's full address and threatening to expose him and calling him a pedophile.
In order to save face, as all these monstrous assholes do, Tommy is now playing the victim card.
His stance on it is the only way...
He went over to this guy's house to broadcast his address and threaten him because it was in response to him receiving a legal letter at his house informing him that there was a libel action against him that was proceeding, which he thinks is exposing his family to people knowing where he lives and putting him in danger.
He didn't allege that Mike had anything to do with the letter being delivered, so I don't know why he thinks him showing up at this guy's house twice in a night is an appropriate self-defense.
What this all boils down to is that Tommy Robinson slandered a 15-year-old Syrian child who was the victim of a bullying assault caught on video at a school in Huddersfield.
Because he can't accept any instances where non-white people get to be victims of something, he made videos claiming that the child in those videos had attacked three girls at the school previous to the video's beginning, something that he was in all likelihood just making up, and one of the girls' mother explicitly said was false.
Mike Stuckberry was part of a group that was raising funds to pay the legal costs to sue Tommy for his clear instance of slander against a child.
And Tommy knew he was fucked.
What do monsters do when they're backed into a corner?
They attack.
Or in this case, show up and harass you twice in one night and sick their fans on you.
Since the incident, Mike has received tons of messages on social media from Robinson's fans telling him they're on their way to his house.
People on Gab have circulated his address in far-right circles, even in Europe.
European far-right circles.
And Mike posted a video of coming home to find a note in his door that says, We'll be back, Mike.
But of course, Alex doesn't give a fuck.
He doesn't care that Tommy slandered an innocent 15-year-old child who was the victim of bullying that started all of this.
He doesn't care that Tommy absolutely harassed Mike Stuckberry in a criminal and actionable way, and Mike's being terrorized because of it.
No.
The story that Alex wants to tell is how everyone is oppressing poor Tommy Robinson.
Poor Tommy Robinson has to deal with these people who are surrounding his house.
I will say, the only version of this that I even fucking come close to believe in, because Alex plays a video of Tommy confronting people outside his house who he says are MI5 and they have recording equipment in the back of the car or whatever.
It's very inconclusive.
It's nonsensical.
It is not evidence of anything.
But, if they are police, they are there because what he did to this guy.
They are there because he, the other night, went over to this guy's house, the police came, talked him into leaving, and then five, six hours later, showed back up and banged on his door again.
And terrorized this guy.
When all he had done...
Is respond to the fact that Tommy had slandered a 15-year-old who was the victim of bullying and was like, we're sick of this shit.
Let's crowdfund the legal defense required for this person who wants to sue him to be able to do it.
It's monstrously pathetic.
And Alex is only interested in how Tommy is a victim.
And this is so much of the stuff that I wanted to bring into the conversation by Alex.
Well, I mean, Alex allowed me to by talking about the gang, the grooming gang stuff earlier in the episode.
When we talk about how all of this, like, Quilliam report that they put out was deeply flawed and didn't take into account things that fit their own diagnostic criteria just because they were white people.
They kind of ignored it from it.
Tommy Robinson is someone who has made an entire career out of antagonizing about the idea that Muslims are leading these rape and grooming gangs, and he's the only person who's willing to stand up against it.
That sort of thing.
Quilliam, by doing what they have done, gives Tommy cover for the Islamophobic and bigoted, xenophobic actions that he makes.
So Alex has gotten this message from Tommy, and that's not good, because Tommy's lying to him, and Alex has no critical instincts, and he's just going to be like, Tommy's fucking awesome.
But he can't get Tommy on the phone, because he's dealing with legal stuff.
And so we get to Alex trying to tell a news story.
The story Alex is talking about here, let's say he's getting it a little wrong.
Allow me to read to you from this story.
It was posted on Euronews.
Quote, Police arrested 35 Greek citizens and an Albanian man on charges of arbitrary occupation of public property and erecting an illegal construction.
The site on the cliffs of Apiea in Bietien, Lesbos' capital city, is on the grounds of the island's famed fortress and protected by archaeological law.
They weren't in trouble because it was a cross, and not even in trouble because they were making a gaudy, xenophobic monument.
They got arrested because of where they built it.
The exact same article talks about how a similar cross was erected in 2018, but it wasn't on protected land, so no one got arrested.
Alex's article on InfoWars is profoundly sloppy.
For one, the article mentions that this was a zoning issue, but it still presents it as if it was a migration cultural issue.
They bring that up in the article that they got arrested because it was on archaeological ground, like protected ground.
Quote, interestingly, the same Rocky Cliff is where a, quote, intercultural coexistence group tore down another cross last October because it was offensive to migrants passing through.
Their source for that story is a hyperlink to another Infowars story.
The only source for that second Infowars story is an article in the Greek City Times that doesn't say that a, quote, intercultural coexistence group tore down the cross.
That is completely made up by Ben Warren, the writer of this Infowars article.
That article...
In the Greek City Times, as well as the recent one in the Euro News, only reports that a group called, quote, coexistence and communication in the Aegean had complained about the cross and requested it be taken down, and that a month later it was destroyed by vandals.
There's no indication that the coexistence group and the vandals are the same people.
That's a complete invention of Infowars and their editorial team.
Barbara Streisand donates $100,000 coming out of Senator Inhofe's mouth, and then 10 years later being like, and I'm going to reference that Barbara Streisand donated that.
No, but Ben Warren, the person who wrote the current Infowars article, is totally willing to just make the conjecture that this coexistence group tore down that cross.
He does say that explicitly in the article, and there is nothing in any of the Greek sources that in any way back that up, or even insinuate it, really.
InfoWars is really bad at their jobs, but I know that that is kind of the premise of our show, but I like these concrete examples that are just like, this is bad reporting.
Right.
On an indisputable level.
Take all of your...
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Yeah, take all the politics, take all of that, take all of it out of that.
You accused me of teasing, and I was a little bit.
Because the idea of Paul Joseph Watson showing up in Austin is absurd.
It's crazy.
It doesn't happen all that often.
And it's very easy to excuse it as being...
Well, it's just CPAC.
And when I saw all of the people posting that Paul Joseph Watson was in studio, because some people in our group on Facebook had posted pictures of him in studio.
I don't like the idea of them claiming that Michelle has a dick being their, like, the end of Ocean's Eleven moment where they're all standing around the fucking fountain.
I don't think Paul is going to, like, say what you want, but the hardline right-wing lunatics that Alex Quartz, not Quartz, Rose Quartz, Steven Universe, are not going to follow a British ponce.
But I think a lot of people have been able to skirt the real consequences of it in ways that Alex has not.
He gave Roger way too much control over his editorial process and the entire operation.
But I think Alex fucked up when he included Paul in the people I could lose.
Like, when he had those conversations on air and was talking about, like, we're losing money, we need you guys to donate, I'm gonna lay off Roger and Paul.
Like, that sort of thing is the only excuse someone like Paul needs.
He's been waiting for for years to be like, I don't need your dumb anchor to be attached to me.
I'm not banned from Twitter.
I'm not banned from social media.
I've been, like, I'm just loyal to you.
You've given me an excuse to start my own operation.
So now he does.
And that...
Paul Joseph Watson leaving hurts Alex in a way that no ban, no censorship ever could.
Because it takes away the only competent player in his operation.
There are other people who can do, like...
I don't know.
Shitty reporting.
Wrestling's on my mind.
So, like, there's other people who can do, like, two-star matches.
Or whatever.
They can do fine.
You know, whatever.
Millie Weaver can distract people for 20 seconds or whatever.
But Paul Joseph Watson was the only guy who was coming in with, like, I understand the craft.
I understand propaganda.
I'm there.
I'm helping you.
You and I work in a symbiotic way.
And without him, he's completely fucked.
And I think when you hear stuff like that, when he's talking about, like...
It's so great.
I mean, how much I love doing this.
That's what I hear when I talk to people who quit stand-up.
I just think that if you are someone who works from a rational perspective, even if you're a craven propagandist, there's two things.
One is, how do I maximize my profit?
I think Alex maximizes things by getting out and still getting a cut in some way.
Like trying to bully advertisers who may go to Paul through Alex into him getting a cut or something like that.
Whatever arrangement.
Who knows what that would be.
Like that would be the best thing for Alex.
Gotta get out.
Or even if Paul Joseph Watson, whatever show he ends up creating, will probably be on the Genesis Communication Network and Alex will get a finder's fee for that.
Be a piece of the thing.
And then, if you consider that it's just a purely ideological thing, then Alex's smart move would be give up, let Paul take the mantle.