December 20, 2012’s Knowledge Fight dissects Alex Jones’ Sandy Hook denialism—ignoring police reports (Lanza had the Bushmaster rifle) and racial disparities in NYC’s stop-and-frisk policy (87% minority stops)—while amplifying debunked claims like China’s 2012 "disarmament demand" (first reported by PJW/Breitbart). His interview with Bob Barr, a CIA-linked NRA board member, highlights Jones’ selective outrage, despite Barr’s presence during his existing critiques. Guests like David Icke stretch absurdities (e.g., Suzanne Collins’ Sandy Hook Village residency), yet Jones dismisses victims as pawns in a "globalist" plot, fueling fear without addressing systemic gun violence. The episode exposes his echo-chamber tactics and hypocrisy, revealing how conspiracy rhetoric distorts reality while pushing extremist agendas. [Automatically generated summary]
So I believe once I move into a new apartment and start up my pepper garden, one of the first things I'm going to mess around with is a couple different strains of scorpion peppers.
We're going back to 2012 to continue looking into what Alex did in the aftermath of Sandy Hook and how his reporting has taken shape and has been molding.
But before we get to that, I have to give a shout-out to some people who have signed up and are supporting the show.
We did that episode, and it's mostly Alex talking to David Icke about how the world isn't ending, but there are reptilian overlords, and it's very convoluted.
In this system, being a winner, according to the establishment, Just like Connecticut having the four strongest gun laws,
he tried to buy guns not once, not twice, not three times, we now learn five times the month before he supposedly did it, even if you believe the official fable narrative Easter Bunny story.
And in our ongoing segment, ways that Alex portended his own descent into stupidity, he did say that the way that you win is by deceiving, and the only way that they can do that is if you are willfully ignorant.
So it does kind of suggest that we're talking about him now.
So, he starts the show on that sort of note, and he gets pretty standard Alex Jonesy.
And then he starts taking calls pretty early, which I'm not sure why he did that.
It's kind of uncommon for him to actually want to and fulfill his promise to get to calls.
But he takes some calls, and in this first clip, this caller is talking about how back in the day, police used to act differently, and then Alex makes a declaration.
Well, it's actually interesting, because that kind of relates to Alex's...
You'll see.
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When I would be walking down the street in my own neighborhood, I would often be stopped as a young man and have my pockets emptied and ID demanded of me and things like this randomly.
Now, this kind of thing has evolved now to serious searches, actually seizing people and things like that.
So this caller is describing something from his childhood, and he doesn't sound like a young man.
And then Alex is pretending that now things are getting real bad in New York City.
And he's trying to do that to suggest that the globalists are trying to bring in martial law here.
So, this is bullshit.
Because Alex is presenting police behavior in New York as being indicative of the coming martial law in police state.
But, as he does so frequently, what he's doing is presenting a warped version of reality and completely erasing all context from the conversation.
In this case, what Alex is talking about is the stop-and-frisk policy that the NYPD operated under, to a particularly troubling extent from the early 2000s to about 2013.
The policy was an outgrowth of the broken windows policing ideology that held that areas where petty crimes were higher served as petri dishes, in which larger, more serious crimes would naturally spring forth.
Following that logic, the police prioritized stopping petty crimes like public urination, public transit fare evasion, and the like, thinking that doing so would create an environment where more serious crime wouldn't take hold.
In reality, it was just a way to shake down and terrorize minorities.
In 2010, a police officer named Adrian Schoolcraft leaked secretly recorded tapes of police roll call meetings in the 81st District of the Bedford-Stuyvesant area that clearly show the commanding officers explicitly telling their officers that they were going to be in trouble if they didn't reach their quotas of tickets and reports filed.
Schoolcraft was detained and forcefully held at a mental hospital for six days in retaliation for leaking the tapes, ultimately being forced to pay $7,000 for his own imprisonment.
At the practice's peak in 2011, 685,724 people were stopped and frisked in New York.
Of these people, 88% were completely innocent of any crime, a number that is super consistent with yearly data analyzed by the New York Civil Liberties Union.
In the years between 2002 and 2013 when the program was in full effect, the ratio of innocent people being stopped was never lower than 80%.
Interestingly, in all those years you want to look at them, at any of them, the percentage of people being stopped and frisked who happened to be white was never higher than 12%.
In 2007, 85% of the people stopped were black or Latino.
In 2008, 85%.
In 2009, 87%, with the same percentage in 2011 and 2012.
When Alex talks about how the police shake people down in New York and doesn't bring this into the conversation, he's lying by omission.
And he's doing so to express a white supremacist position.
He's totally right that the police were way out of line in how they treated civilians in New York.
But to pretend that an essential piece of the story wasn't how the policy of stop and frisk was specifically used as a weapon against minority communities is the definition of being right for the wrong reasons, which makes him right.
It's an important distinction that needs to come up every now and again on this show, that just because he's spiritually right about something, he could be entirely wrong at the same time.
So he's taken these callers, and at this point he gets a call who wants to talk about Sandy Hook.
And this guy has an interesting piece of the story that he wants to report, and Alex allows him to do so, which isn't good.
We've talked about this before, and I apologize I don't have the guy's specific name or his job, but one of the people who worked in set design and graphic work on The Dark Knight is from Connecticut.
He's from Newtown, Connecticut.
The idea of him putting the name of his city on a map isn't...
So the more important thing I want to talk about is that this caller's repeating a piece of incomplete information that he picked up somewhere, and Alex is doubling down on it to create disbelief in his listeners about what happened at Sandy Hook.
And I'm not talking about the Batman stuff.
I'm talking about they found him with two handguns.
Adam Lanza had two handguns.
He didn't even have a Bushmaster rifle, like they say.
If you read the police report on the shooting, it's very clear.
Quote, on the shooter's person was a loaded semi-automatic Sig Sauer P226 9mm pistol and additional ammunition.
Located near the shooter was a partially loaded Glock 20 10mm semi-automatic pistol that appeared to be jammed.
So that explains the two handguns that the caller is talking about.
However, the next line explains that, quote, So Adam Lanz had clearly been using that weapon, as evidenced by all sorts of other forensic evidence, but it appears that he'd thrown it to the side.
It's not entirely clear because the people who were investigating it were able to fire the gun after the fact.
So it doesn't appear that it was critically jammed.
But for one reason or another, he ended up throwing that aside and favoring handguns after that point.
Which is incredibly irresponsible and inappropriate.
Lanza also had a ton of ammo on him, on his person, including one shotgun shell, even though he didn't have a shotgun with him.
There were other shotgun shells found around the scene, which police theorized he had dropped, but it still raises the question, why the ammo was there if he didn't have a shotgun?
If you just read a little bit further in the police report, quote, recovered from the car was an It's Match Sega 12 12-gauge shotgun with two magazines containing a total of 24 rounds of ammunition.
So he used a completely different rifle to kill his mother, but that gun was found left at the scene of that crime and was recovered by police as well.
There is a certain part of me, because Alex has difficulty taking a lot of calls, there's a part of me that wonders if there could be some sort of, like, where are they now VH1 special on people who call into Alex Jones.
Like, is this guy still denying Sandy Hook?
Like, I want to know more about this idiot and what it is he's doing with his life.
Because the article that I read about it, they weren't afraid that there was going to be a school shooting.
Because...
They looked into these rumors and stuff like that and found that nothing was substantiated.
But the reason that they ended up closing the school is because they're like, we're being ineffective in any teaching.
The kids are too distracted and preoccupied with these ideas that, you know, just because you find that a rumor is unsubstantiated doesn't mean that the kids aren't going to emotionally feel the fear and the anxiety and the distraction.
Folks, it is not the end of the world, and I've tried to get that out a million times, and I knew it would happen this morning listening to talk radio locally.
Oh, Alex Jones, the world's ending tomorrow.
I wonder what he's going to do.
I'm just like, man, that is really a jealous way to act, knowing that I've hammered the fact for years that 2012's a fraud.
I've been asked...
Thousands of times by people, off-air and on-air, what 2012 is, and I've said on-air hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of times, literally.
Yeah, the one time he's like, this is nonsense and I'm not going to buy into these bullshit conspiracy theories, and then we still get to watch him burn in flames.
So, Alex just keeps taking calls, and it's super bizarre, because, like, generally speaking, when I've listened to these episodes, he'll say he's going to take calls, he'll yell about something and ramble for about an hour, get to the end of the show, maybe take one call, and then be like, we'll get to you next time!
So to hear him take multiple calls at what is, you know, fairly early in the show was bizarre, and he gets this call from someone who suggests a guest for his show.
She insisted that the First Amendment did not include protections for Muslims and defended her actions by citing verses from the Quran that she interpreted as being very scary.
They were constantly glancing towards the cameras in the range, then looking at each other and speaking in their own language.
She went on to say that she was doing the only sensible thing here.
Quote, Since I have no way of discerning which Muslims will or will not kill in the name of their religion and the commands of their Quran, I choose to err on the side of caution.
white nationalist group so the government should err on the side of caution and disarm all white men it's almost like she's dumb i'm not advocating for that necessarily but the argument uses identical logic to what she's putting forth she's very stupid yeah this is how this shit always goes it's the same thing we talked about in terms of ted nugent banning guns at his concert these people to pretend to have a principled absolute moral stand that the right to own and hold guns is the most important part of being free and any attempt to restrict anyone's access to guns is an attempt to take away all guns
and demolish freedom then as soon as they feel threatened they equivocate make qualifications and intellectualize their way into restricting the very right they pretend to believe is sacrosanct these people are all Well...
In an attempt to raise money for her campaign, Jan set up an illegal raffle where people would donate $50 to her campaign for a chance to win a handgun with her signature engraved on it.
When legal questions started popping up, she refunded everyone's money, but it bears mention because she thought that was a good idea to begin with.
Also, for someone running in just the Republican primary for this position...
Much of which came from political action committees, which suspiciously share an address.
Arkansas Business Services, Arkansas Trade First, and Commerce and Action all gave the maximum amount allowed to her, but also all seemed to be the same people, a group called Conduit for Action.
Conduit for action is a hard-right political action committee, which is super against Governor Hutchinson, the person that she would be running against in the primary, because though he's a Republican, he's not as hard-line as they want their governor to be.
They publish articles on their website like this one from just about a week ago.
Quote, Governor's tax plan to thwart constitution about Hutchinson's proposed increase in gasoline and oil taxes.
During the election, they published multiple articles promoting Morgan's campaign, but didn't disclose that they were supporting her through cloned political action committees, which is shady as hell, but not illegal in Arkansas.
I don't know if laws have been changed since then, but I know there's been some discussion about it because it is a really fucking weird thing to allow.
For the exact reason you brought up, maximums don't matter.
So she lost the Republican primary, but she did get 30% of the vote, which is super fucked up.
As the Arkansas Times pointed out during the campaign, her campaign really never was about winning the vote.
Quote, Jan Morgan may not technically win the Republican primary for governor by compiling the most votes, but she's already won the race by driving Governor Hutchinson to a loud declaration of his position to the farthest right reaches of the political spectrum.
By being in the race, she required Hutchinson to come out from the shadows and pander to the further right parts of his base that would be stolen by Morgan being in the race.
Thus, his rhetoric towards the LGBT community and about women's rights became far more toxic than it had been in previous campaign cycles.
And this, Jordan, is how the Overton window shifts.
I don't believe that all these political action committees necessarily even wanted her to win, but they knew that that effect of having her in the race would force Hutchinson to change some of the positions towards the harder right versions that they wanted to see.
So they were funneling money towards her in order to push him to the right.
Yeah, there's no way they would actually want her to win because obviously her first day in office would be like, I'm banning the Constitution from covering anybody but white people.
He's been a long-time member of the NRA board, so Alex being like they've gotten more extreme under him makes literally no sense.
Because he was a member of the board almost the entire time Alex has been mad at them and calling them controlled opposition, which he has been doing in 2012.
And another was about how Alabama, Florida, and Georgia share surface water rights to the Chattahoochee River.
The fourth bill that he sponsored and made it all the way to becoming law was the 1996 Defensive Marriage Act, which defined marriage as being solely between one man and one woman and forbade the federal government from requiring states to recognize any same-sex marriages, nor require the states to confer any of the rights of spouses to people in such relationships.
But also, if you look at some people, they get a lot more done.
Anyway, it's beside the point.
More to the point.
And perhaps more relevant to our conversation here, in Bob Barr's time in office, he received $48,500 from Lockheed Martin, $42,603 from the NRA, and $39,550 from Glock, representing three of his five largest campaign contributors for his entire career.
In addition to that, his political action committee took in $101,973 from gun rights groups.
Probably unsurprisingly, he would also be a board member of the National Rifle Association.
He's not someone who's even close to being unbiased on the subject of guns, and is just another example of Alex packing his show with shills for the gun lobby to come out as fast and as aggressively as possible against the very idea of regulatory reform as it relates to guns in the aftermath of the shooting.
It's just a complete trend.
Everybody is a gun shill.
There's nobody else.
Except that we know David Icke is on the next day.
Also, an interesting note is that in 2002, Bob Barr was being honored at a reception being thrown by a Georgia lobbyist.
The reception was in Bob Barr's honor.
That lobbyist, Bruce Widener, planned to give Barr an antique 1908 Colt 38 caliber pistol.
In attempting to handle the gun to Barr, he almost killed him.
Widener says that he removed the magazine from the gun but didn't clear the chamber and explained the problem as, quote, we were handling it safely except that it was loaded.
That certainly inspires confidence.
Especially considering that according to Bruce's LinkedIn page, he was the executive director of the Conditioned Air Association of Georgia at the time, so the gift of a loaded gun is extra weird.
Also, Bob Barr was the guy who led the charge in the House to get Bill Clinton impeached and was the first person in Congress to call on Bill Clinton to resign.
Well, I mean, he's not saying it's fake, so it's important in as much as Alex's guests are not influencing him, except for the, like, defend guns aspect of it.
The Pentagon developed first-person shooter games to create instinctive killing because in Vietnam and before they found troops wouldn't kill people up close and they would become dead.
It was meant to hone not a killer instinct but an instinctive killing.
There weren't any video games around in World War I. Anyway, so Alex gets to this next, he has a news story that he wants to tell Bob about, and it's pretty scary, but it's also not true.
It links to the Chinese People's Daily, the official government, communist Chinese mouth.
I mean, it's the mouth.
Communist Chinese government calls for Americans to be disarmed.
This just broke at Infowars.com with the links to the People's Daily.
And they say they challenge Obama to ratify the new UN treaty.
And is it part of what we're seeing, the drumbeat even before this sad massacre, the move towards getting the Senate to ratify the United Nations Small Arms Treaty, sir?
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Alex, this is one reason I like to come onto your show, because you bring up so many good points that a lot of people don't readily think of.
The Chinese state media operation Jin Hua did post an op-ed titled, quote, Innocent blood demands no delay for U.S. gun control.
But it stops just short of saying something like, hey, Obama, go get everybody's guns, like Alex is suggesting.
You can find the article online, and if you do, you'll see what it really is, is China shaking their damn heads at us.
It's mostly about how, as awful and heartbreaking as these mass shootings are in America, the reason nothing is ever done about it is electoral politics.
The author specifically points out that Columbine happened in an election here, which is probably a big reason why no one was quote, willing to step up gun control due to possible political ramifications.
They point out that because Obama doesn't have to face another election, he's in a rare position where that isn't a concern for him.
The op-ed further points out that one of the big reasons that, in election years, even the Democrats, who ostensibly are for gun law reform, lack the political will to get anything done is the massive influence and funding provided to their opponents by the NRA, specifically pointing out the 2000 election when the NRA gave $3.2 million to candidates' political action committees, 98% of which went to Republicans.
Interestingly, in that election, the largest single recipient of their money was California's Democratic Representative Joe Baca.
It seemed real strange when you see that until you realize that he was part of Part of the Blue Dog Democrat Congress.
And after he lost his seat in 2012, he tried to stage a comeback by running as a Republican in 2015.
Odd.
And then he switched back to being a Democrat to run in 2018.
So he was part of that 2% of money from the NRA and went to Democrats.
More to the point, though, this piece, this Chinese op-ed, is really more about shaming than it is about demand that we actually do anything.
You can tell that from lines like, quote, the massacre has triggered a new debate on gun control in the United States.
However, this time the public feels somewhat tired and helpless.
And quote, God damn it!
The final line is something close to a call to action, but it's kind of meek when taken in the full context of the rest of the article.
Quote, If Obama wants to take practical measures to control guns, he has to make a preparation for a protracted war and considerable political cost.
This is to say that lip service is meaningless, and ultimately, if Obama wants to make a real difference, the gun fetishists in this country aren't going to let him do anything easily.
All in all, the article is insanely depressing to read.
So the New York Times wrote a piece about this article in this Chinese publication, and it points out how in China there's also an attack on a school in the Henan province around the same time as the one in Newtown.
There was a man there who stabbed 22 children, which Alex could use to make the argument that these attacks happen no matter what weapons people have, to which I reply that none of the children in China died.
So there's a substantial difference.
Because even if someone comes in with a knife...
He stabbed 22 kids, which is a fucking terrifying, awful thing, but they're all still alive.
Interestingly, there's one source that does give Alex credit for breaking this story that I can find.
The Communist Party of China demands that the U.S. should disarm.
According to Chinese officials, the recent school massacre gave all to understand that one should not wait any longer.
The country's leaders believe that the brutality of the Connecticut shooter will ensure the widest public support for arms reduction, Infowars.com reports.
That's from a December 21st article in Pravda.
I'm not really sure what that means, or even if it means anything, but it seemed weird.
So he does all that ranting, and then he gets to this, and he talks about the Chinese newscasters covering Tiananmen Square, and I think it sounds like him in the present.
I just type in Tiananmen Square Chinese news coverage of Tiananmen Square, and I mean, it is just tanks running over.
Body splattered everywhere, lining people up, shooting them, and then just cutting back to newscasters like they're reporting on their football team winning.
I tell you, the Washington Redskins defeated their enemy today and just annihilated them.
And the satisfaction on the faces of the state-run media was just like, we are defeating the enemy right now, devastatingly smashing and crushing them.
While he was talking about that, I was thinking about how the New Yorker story that came out about how Fox News is the mouthpiece, the propaganda arm of the Trump administration.
I've studied these people, and you've heard Ron Paul, you've heard countless others on here who've studied them.
We have sick, psychopathic authoritarians, that's a Ron Paul quote, in control, and they plan to put us in FEMA camps.
They've built them.
It's public.
It's all real.
Now, people say, well, you're scaring us, Alex.
No, no, no.
I want to scare you with the facts into exposing these people.
They're not going to be able to do this if we expose them.
But let me explain something to you.
If they nuke a city, which is in their plans, it's in their cards, if they nuke a city and say Patriots did it, you know the hammer just dropped and they're going to try to come arrest me, you name it.
I know these murderers.
You think they care about 20 kids at Sandy Hook?
Think again.
I mean, these are sick freaks who want an authoritarian system here.
So, in this last clip from December 20th, Alex says something that is not good.
And it has to be understood in the context of all the other things he's been saying up till this point.
Like in recent days, he's talking about how he'd seen this video of Robbie Parker, the grieving father, and he thinks it's suspicious and they might be actors.
He's acting like an actor up there.
This needs to be investigated.
Sandy Hook smells to hide.
Man, if you love your families, folks, you better get really active.
And then the other side of it, there'll be a large portion of his audience who hear what he's saying in the context of all of the other stuff he's been saying.
You need to get aggressive.
If you love your family, you've got to get really active.
This is an occupying government, all this stuff, and they'll take action.
They'll be interested in investigating Sandy Hook.
As he has already said people need to do.
So the getting really active part there is, it's disconcerting.
But they get into a little conversation about Sandy Hook, and now we see these ideas that Alex has already introduced, be it the Batman idea or anything like that.
Well, I just think we're heading, Alex, to a point in the new year in 2013 when so many things are going to come together.
We have a president now in a second term.
He has no other election to win.
We have this fiscal cliff, as they're talking about, and this obvious agenda to push on down the road of the Hunger Games.
If people saw that movie, there was a few people absolutely staggeringly rich in a high-tech, top-of-the-range luxury capital, and the rest of the people who were feeding that wealth were actually in abject poverty and beyond Orwellian levels of control.
Well, you see, if we get really deeper into this, really deep into this, Alex, it's all about the manipulation of the human subconscious mind, which then becomes the conscious mind's perception of reality.
And these are just some of the famous people who are from Sandy Hook Village.
When you consider the entire town of Newtown, that list expands quite a bit.
And now includes Charles Goodyear, the guy who invented vulcanized rubber for tires.
Joanna Cole, the author of The Magic School Bus.
Joey Stiles, the former ECW announcer.
And Elia Kazan, the two-time Oscar-winning, three-time Tony Award-winning, and four-time Golden Globe-winning director of such hits as A Streetcar Named Desire and On the Waterfront.
Yeah, but she never got an Emmy, so she didn't even EGOT.
I investigate so-called coincidences by, first, not investigating them, and second, saying that they are not coincidences, thus proving my dumb argument.
An excuse to take guns away because of the same reason that they stopped guns and ammunition being owned by Jewish people before they started rounding them up in Germany.
On another level, it's going to be used to create copycats, more people shooting schools, because that's the feedback loop conditioning people to go shoot up schools.
This will undoubtedly cause more school shootings.
It's not good to have these ideas presented on your show unchallenged if they're not ideas that you don't want your audience...
It's just a shitty way to do business.
So, look, I still don't think we've reached the point where he's fully committed to his this-was-fake argument or anything.
But we're past the end of the world, and we have seen the continuation of the...
Wall-to-wall gun-chill guests and the breaking of that pattern with one of the craziest people who exists in the world, David Icke, who is saying that it's psychic vampires trying to create this trauma and all this stuff, which it doesn't bode well.
For what comes next.
Does not make me feel super confident that Alex is going to find his bearings at all.
And the other thing, too, is in that clip, that last one there, Alex is saying that he's concerned that this is going to create copycat school shooters and stuff like that, which is the safest bet in the world when you do nothing.
When you do nothing in terms of regulating gun laws and things like that, you can be pretty confident there's going to be more.
I kind of regret, I think in a way earlier episode of this show, I might have said he has some decent ideas and stuff like that.
But I think really, when I examine it more, I'm just responding to the vague self-help stuff that is incorporated within all the other dangerous messages.
And so I could still defend that.
I could still say, yes, this vague self-help stuff that you could get anywhere.
Well, the fact that he brings up the feedback loop as being, like Alex bringing up the feedback loop as being something that is part of this whole thing.
Yet not realizing that he's in that feedback loop with all of his guests, with all of his callers, of him saying shit.
He doesn't realize that he's a part of the loop in the same way that he doesn't realize that he's a part of politics.
He doesn't actively recognize that he is a part of the thing that he's critiquing.
He's basically just the Jan Morgan of this.
He's like, I'm above the right-left paradigm, but in reality, everything that he stands for and perpetuates...
to work to push people further right.
So he's mad at the Republicans because they're not far right enough for him.
And that's why he thinks he's above the left-right paradigm.
And it's nonsense.
In the same way he thinks he's above this feedback loop that's going on when he is pushing it super far Oh, yeah.
yeah that's a good point and he doesn't realize it and that will be to his own detriment hopefully hopefully it will be further to his own detriment as events progress yeah So, anyway, guys, we'll be back on Friday, but until then, we have a website.