Today, Dan and Jordan don't want to do it, but they discuss Alex Jones' recent appearance on the Joe Rogan podcast. Most of the conversation is about how Alex is a mentally unwell person, but a fair amount is also about how Joe is incredibly stupid and allows Alex to lie to him a bunch. Oh well.
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| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
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I'm a huge fan. | |
| I love your work. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Hey, everybody. | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
| I'm Jordan. | ||
| Workable dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk about Alex Jones. | ||
| Oh, indeed we are, Dan. | ||
| Oh, Jordan. | ||
| Dan! | ||
| Jordan! | ||
| What? | ||
| I should tell you that this is an interesting instance where we have an actual novelty novelty beverage. | ||
| Indeed we do. | ||
| People always want to know what our novelty beverage is, and usually it's, you know, like an IPA that we've drank a bunch of times. | ||
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Right. | |
| It's not novel. | ||
| Well, we've run out of different IPAs at the liquor store, and they don't have anything other than Bud Light after that. | ||
| That's not novel. | ||
| That's not novel at all. | ||
| But today we've got Kickstart by Mountain Dew, energizing watermelon. | ||
| And I can report happily. | ||
| This tastes terrible. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| This is garbage. | ||
| We're getting sponsors. | ||
| Fuck you, Mountain Dew. | ||
| We're recording in the middle of the day. | ||
| Indeed. | ||
| And thus, we need a nice kickstart of hydration and watermelon. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Anyway, I'm sorry. | ||
| Did you have a question? | ||
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I was just going to ask you if you've ever lied about how much money you make. | |
| Or inflated your self-worth. | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| I think I've only deflated it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, even what I've made, like, next to nothing, I still feel, like, ashamed. | ||
| I feel ashamed that, like, I've made, like, $20,000 a year at a job or something like that. | ||
| I can pay my bills. | ||
| I actually made nothing. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| No, I don't think I've ever lied about making more about something. | ||
| I mean, you know, you live 30-something years. | ||
| I bet there is a time I did. | ||
| But I can't think of it. | ||
| Like, maybe back when I had a paper route, I might have lied and said, like... | ||
| I make 40 grand a year. | ||
| I started my own paper in order to have a paper route. | ||
| That might be a stretch too far, but yeah, something like that. | ||
| I might have said, like, I make $200 a week or something like that, when in reality I was making nothing. | ||
| That's possible. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't think I've ever lied. | ||
| I don't think I've ever lied. | ||
| About anything. | ||
| About anything. | ||
| I'm just not a liar. | ||
| I buy it. | ||
| People know me as a straight shooter, Dan. | ||
| But yeah, I think I've lied about my self-worth. | ||
| You're talking about specifically financial self-worth. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I've never lied about my self-worth, which is next to nothing. | ||
| I have lied about my self-worth, but that's called keeping a stiff upper lip. | ||
| Showing that old British resolve. | ||
| On the inside, it's like, man, one more bad thing and I'm out of this life. | ||
| I'm doing okay. | ||
| But on the outside, hi! | ||
| How are you? | ||
| Right. | ||
| I think I've lied in like a job interview in order to get more money from them. | ||
| I think that's not called lying. | ||
| That's a job interview. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Fair. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| So this is a podcast, guys, where I know a lot about Alex Jones. | ||
| And I don't know anything about Alex Jones. | ||
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Yep. | |
| That's the dynamic that we have betwixt us. | ||
| Now, today we've got an interesting episode to go over, and I think we're going to have some fun and some blah along the way. | ||
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Oh, boy. | |
| But before we do, straight up fun, just giving some shout-outs to some people who have signed up and are supporting the show. | ||
| That's fun. | ||
| That is. | ||
| So first of all, I'd like to say thank you to Sarah. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you, Sarah. | ||
| Thank you very much, Sarah. | ||
| Next, Jeff. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you, Jeff. | ||
| Thank you very much, Jeff. | ||
| Next, J-E-F-F or G-E-O-F? | ||
| J-E-F-F. | ||
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Hmm. | |
| Next, Robert. | ||
| I don't know why I said hmm. | ||
| Suspicious of the most common spelling of Jeff. | ||
| Next, Robert K. Thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you, Robert. | ||
| Thank you, Robert K. Next, Adrian. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you, Adrian. | ||
| Thank you very much, Adrian. | ||
| And then finally, someone who's donated on a little bit of a higher level. | ||
| We appreciate it oh so very much. | ||
| So, Robert M. to Roberts today. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| Robert M., you're now a technocrat. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
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Four stars. | |
| Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. | ||
| Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. | ||
| Daddy Shark. | ||
| Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. | ||
| He's a loser little titty baby. | ||
| I don't want to hate black people. | ||
| I renounce Jesus Christ. | ||
| Thank you, Robert M. Thank you, Robert M. Thank you very much. | ||
| If you're out there listening and you're thinking, hey, I like what these gents do, I'd like to support the show and, you know, make sure that one day they can lie about how much they make. | ||
| Or something? | ||
| Better or worse? | ||
| I'm not sure. | ||
| But you can support the show by going to knowledgefight.com. | ||
| The button says support the show. | ||
| We would appreciate it. | ||
| Our evaluation of monetary value is, generally speaking, pittance. | ||
| I would use the word pittance. | ||
| Yeah, and even that we're ashamed to have. | ||
| This is cool, man. | ||
| We were raised well. | ||
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Yeah! | |
| So, Jordan, today, you know already, it's hard to avoid this sort of information breaking, but today we're going over what is deemed Alex Jones Returns! | ||
| On the Joe Rogan experience. | ||
| The inevitable thing that we knew was going to happen the moment there was a fight. | ||
| Well, I actually kind of hoped that Rogan would, like... | ||
| That go the other way with his humanity and be like, I'm not going to reward this behavior. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But unfortunately, he... | ||
| Whatever... | ||
| I have a lot of thoughts, and we'll get to them. | ||
| But Alex was on the JRE. | ||
| On Wednesday. | ||
| The Joe Rogan embarrassment. | ||
| Great. | ||
| As I'm going to now start looking at it as. | ||
| Nicely done. | ||
| Because this is embarrassing. | ||
| This episode is really deeply embarrassing. | ||
| Like, all across the board. | ||
| Everyone comes out looking bad. | ||
| Like, Rogan looks like he is an enabling fuckhead. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And Alex Jones... | ||
| Which we know he is. | ||
| And if you watch this episode and you don't come away from it thinking like... | ||
| Alex Jones is a deeply disturbed human being. | ||
| He is really, really fucked up, and he is dealing with some intense internal, emotional, mental health-type issues. | ||
| I don't know how you're dealing with reality. | ||
| You can be intrigued by his conspiracies and think he's funny and all this stuff. | ||
| You can do that all day long. | ||
| That if you're paying attention and you listen to the things he's saying, he's describing a deeply disturbed thought pattern, a deeply disturbed human. | ||
| It's so fucked up. | ||
| And Joe is just fagging him on. | ||
| Laughing. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| He's not like, dude, get fucking help, please. | ||
| Yeah, because some of the times I think he thinks that Alex is joking when it does not appear that he is. | ||
| Well, we all know life's very fragile. | ||
| And then other times Rogan's just high. | ||
| Right, well, you know. | ||
| They're smoking some tobacco in studio. | ||
| Sure, sure! | ||
| Alex keeps being like, let me have some of that tobacco, as if it's not a fucking video podcast. | ||
| He's very discreet. | ||
| I don't know how much of that was just trying to be cute. | ||
| I'm not going to judge. | ||
| I don't really give a shit. | ||
| No, of course not. | ||
| I tried to make some little beginning notes. | ||
| That I wanted to talk about before we got into this, just to give some of my broad feelings about this. | ||
| I think we touched on them already, that this is embarrassing. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But it's kind of a smart move, too, because both of them know that it's going to work out well for them. | ||
| Right. | ||
| In terms of attention and clicks and stuff like that, they both win in the end. | ||
| Again, the inevitable conclusion of the Joe Rogan, Alex Jones piss-off. | ||
| So there's a large part of me that thinks that even covering this is kind of a bad idea. | ||
| Or at least in some ways it's a pointless exercise. | ||
| But at the same time, I don't see how we're an Alex Jones podcast and we somehow get away with not covering this. | ||
| That's a good point. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And if we're covering a modern day thing, which I intended to do for this episode, like Alex was out of studio because he flew to LA. | ||
| To do the podcast. | ||
| So, like, this is a modern day thing. | ||
| So here you go. | ||
| Here's where we are. | ||
| It's entirely possible that Alex and Joe's fight was entirely fake. | ||
| But if I had to guess from watching this and seeing the way that the two of them behaved in the lead up to this, I would say that it was fake from Alex's side and sincere from Joe's. | ||
| I think Joe was scared for a friend who was lashing out at him in an attempt to get attention, and he dealt with it exactly the wrong way, by caving in and giving him the attention that he was demanding. | ||
| Alex literally threatened to politically murder Joe on air. | ||
| He accused Joe of just having mob connections that were all of his, you know, like, running Bitcoin scams and... | ||
| Fun. | ||
| All that shit. | ||
| Being in bed with Jack Dorsey. | ||
| Like, Jack Dorsey runs his show with his Cash App. | ||
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Sure. | |
| He accused him of covering up satanic pedophile rings, talked about aspects of Joe's personal life that he was clearly told to keep private, and all of that incredibly inappropriate and, in fact, abusive behavior was not only not punished, it was rewarded. | ||
| It's going to be really hard to imagine a scenario in the future where Alex doesn't think that throwing a tantrum is the right way for him to get exactly what he did. | ||
| Yeah, he's a child. | ||
| Endless times. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know. | ||
| On this episode, Alex begins the show with a glass of straight Tito's vodka in hand, and he gets pretty drunk pretty early. | ||
| Neat. | ||
| Neat. | ||
| Tito's vodka neat. | ||
| Well, on ice. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| But still. | ||
| Well, that's more acceptable. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's just still straight vodka in the glass. | ||
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Right, right, right. | |
| Which I tweeted, one of the only tweets I'm kind of proud of is, the only thing I'm surprised by in this podcast is that Alex is drinking clear liquor. | ||
| That is a good point. | ||
| It is, like, weird. | ||
| Well, they probably started in the morning. | ||
| You gotta start with clear liquor in the morning. | ||
| They started at noon, California time. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| I think, like, on some levels, like, I'm not mad at you. | ||
| Like, I understand liking to get a buzz and shit like that, but at the same time, you're doing a show where you're going to end up talking about satanic pedophiles and screaming about alien demons and stuff like that. | ||
| You ought to be taken seriously. | ||
| Don't be drunk at noon. | ||
| Well, that's why you gotta start with the clear liquor, and then around four or five, you can switch to the brown liquor. | ||
| He's also, like, he's got a fucking handle of Tito's. | ||
| Okay, that's not good. | ||
| He's got a handle. | ||
| It's a huge bottle of Tito's. | ||
| That's not good. | ||
| And it does appear that he makes pretty good progress through it. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Oh, no. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, they proceed to record for five hours. | ||
| And as you can expect, there was a lot said, and it would be pretty much impossible for us to cover it all in one episode of our show without it becoming as long as our goddamn endgame coverage. | ||
| That is to say that there are probably points of this show that listeners will think we missed, and to that I say, fair enough. | ||
| I tried to prioritize looking at things that Alex and Joe discussed that provide new information to us. | ||
| And I need to even give this caveat that I don't necessarily believe most of the stuff Alex is going to say. | ||
| It's hours and hours of a drunk idiot talking shit. | ||
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Yeah, that's pretty much a good way to describe... | |
| The InfoWars, too. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| That's branding. | ||
| But in the same way that when I listen to an episode of Alex's show and he talks about narratives we've covered a hundred times, I don't see a real benefit in covering it again. | ||
| Right. | ||
| There's a lot of things that he ends up talking about that's like, wow, we talked about that. | ||
| Or even stuff that he said the last time he was on Rogan's show. | ||
| So there's a bunch of stuff like, who cares? | ||
| And some people might be like, why didn't you talk about that? | ||
| I promise you, if we didn't talk about it, There's a 5% chance that I missed it, and there's a 90% chance that I just thought, like, who cares? | ||
| And then there's another 5% chance that... | ||
| Wild card. | ||
| Wild card explanation. | ||
| Take your pick. | ||
| It could be anything. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Dealer's choice. | ||
| So, here's what's really important to keep in mind. | ||
| All of this exists only for Alex to get publicity that he does not have access to anymore on his own. | ||
| Alex has a major problem on his hands, namely that he's running out of ways to attract people into his financial web, and Joe is one of the only solutions that he has left to his problem. | ||
| If he reaches a point where he can't manipulate new people into his little marketplace, then it's game over, and it's just a waiting game to see how long he can delay the audience that he has from leaving him. | ||
| That's all this episode is about. | ||
| Alex is trying to sell himself to Joe's audience, to an extent that it seems almost incidental to Alex that Joe is even there, except to be a prop. | ||
| I would put it like this. | ||
| Alex is the Cutco knife salesman, and Joe is the penny that gets cut through to demonstrate how good his knives are, basically. | ||
| That's kind of how I feel when I listen to this episode. | ||
| It's almost like... | ||
| Joe is trying to deal with it from a human standpoint of like, you're my friend, I think you're great, we just didn't talk enough, and that's why you got mad at me. | ||
| Trying to reach rapprochement. | ||
| To that I say, buh! | ||
| And Alex is there to pay lip service to that, and then at the same time steamroll and talk about, here's what's really going on in the world. | ||
| Because he wants Joe's audience. | ||
| He doesn't want Joe. | ||
| Does Joe realize that Alex isn't actually his friend? | ||
| I don't think he does. | ||
| I don't think he... | ||
| Like, Alex was screaming on air not a couple weeks ago on his own show about how my big mistake was I just... | ||
| I became your friend. | ||
| I never liked you. | ||
| I didn't like you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, that sort of shit. | ||
| And sure, it's childish acting out to try and get a response from Joe, but at the same time, when you say shit like that... | ||
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I don't know. | |
| They don't have, and you can tell from listening to this, that they don't have as deep a relationship as would deserve that kind of patience and that kind of chance. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like, whenever they talk about any of their, they're like, oh, do you remember this? | ||
| They have one fucking story. | ||
| Oh, that's not good. | ||
| Every single time they talk about, like, oh, remember the good times? | ||
| It's that one time that they ran around in George Bush masks. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| That's great. | ||
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That's it. | |
| That's the only fucking story that they ever bring up of, like, aren't we great friends? | ||
| Wasn't that the plot of Band of Brothers? | ||
| I think that's why they became so close, you know? | ||
| Could be. | ||
| That's a life-changing moment, and it's a bond that you can never break. | ||
| I don't disagree. | ||
| So... | ||
| Here we go. | ||
| We're going to jump in. | ||
| And, of course, one of the big sticking points for Joe not wanting to have Alex back on his show had been that he realized that Alex was lying even to him about what he said about Sandy Hook. | ||
| Alex gave Joe the line that, like, we just had debates. | ||
| We just heard both sides. | ||
| That sort of thing. | ||
| And Joe, on his own show and past episodes, has made the point that one of the things that I had a problem with is that I heard the clips. | ||
| I went back and I listened to stuff and I saw that Alex was lying to me about Sandy Hook. | ||
| And so, right at the beginning of the show, they start discussing their fight a little bit and then get into, after this clip, the immediate elephant in the room that is Alex lied about Sandy Hook. | ||
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Alex Jones, we're live. | |
| Wow, it's good to be back for the second visit. | ||
| It's good to be here, man. | ||
| It's good to see you. | ||
| We've got a Trump meeting with Kim Jong-un. | ||
| We've got the Cohen hearings in Congress. | ||
| A lot of energy going on. | ||
| A lot of things are happening. | ||
| Planets are aligned. | ||
| We should tell everybody that you and I had... | ||
| First of all, we had a long conversation on the phone, which led to just a lot of talk. | ||
| You were driving to Vegas a few weeks ago. | ||
| We talked like an hour and a half. | ||
| And then we decided to do another podcast. | ||
| And we cleared the air on the phone. | ||
| We decided to clear the air more on a podcast. | ||
| There's a lot of things going on. | ||
| That's not good. | ||
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No. | |
| That's not how a relationship works. | ||
| We talked for 90 minutes about how you threatened to murder me on your show and then essentially made criminal accusations against me and talked about my family in ways that I have made it clear is not for public discussion. | ||
| You betrayed my confidence on air. | ||
| We had a 90-minute conversation. | ||
| Let's clear the air on a podcast. | ||
| Well, I'm sorry. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| I bet Joe Rogan just talked for 90 minutes, or 89 minutes, and then one minute was Alex going, yeah, well, it's all stunning. | ||
| Or Alex crying, like, I can't get my message out to the world, I'm innocent, Joe! | ||
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Right, right, right. | |
| 90 minutes of him just being a sad sack. | ||
| And Rogan being like, well, maybe my friend really is in pain or something like that. | ||
| Because Alex performatively expresses these emotions that humans have. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| That he has learned how to replicate. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So that's how we got to where we are now. | ||
| That's the first part. | ||
| They had a 90-minute conversation when Joe was driving to Vegas. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| His XM was out. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Why not just fucking talk to Alex Jones for an hour and a half? | ||
| I can tell you already, from the jump, this is stilted and uncomfortable. | ||
| It is. | ||
| They are not on the same page at all. | ||
| And it doesn't get better until about two hours in, and we'll see why. | ||
| When the vodka gets good to him? | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Vodka was good to him from the jump. | ||
| I assure you of that. | ||
| There's a rogue variable that comes into play about two hours into the show. | ||
| PCP! | ||
| Yep, you got it. | ||
| Bingo. | ||
| So here we go. | ||
| This is the point at which, right at the beginning of the show, Rogan brings up Sandy Hook and asks Alex to make a statement. | ||
| Clarify. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| The thing that people are upset about you, the thing that we wanted to talk about quick to get it over with, or not quick, but just to get it up front. | ||
| People are not upset, they are suing you. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Is the Sandy Hook statement. | ||
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Yes. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| So, your take on it, just give me your take on it. | ||
| Well, first off, because it's always misrepresented, I believe mass shootings happen. | ||
| First off, I'm about to lie to you. | ||
| I always expect, if someone says first off, I expect the next sentence to be, fuck your bitch in the clique you put in, west side where we ride, come equip with game. | ||
| It's certain it's going to be hit them up. | ||
| I'm always thinking first things first, I'll eat your brains. | ||
| And then I'm going to start rocking gold teeth and chains. | ||
| See, first things first makes me think chocolate starfish, that's my man friend. | ||
| Different references. | ||
| We have very different places that we're coming from. | ||
| We have too much to get through. | ||
| We cannot dwell on this. | ||
| Okay, okay, okay. | ||
| They're real tragedies. | ||
| And I believe Parkland happened. | ||
| Cool. | ||
| And you believe Sandy Hook happened. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| And now, just last year... | ||
| The media came out and said, Alex Jones says Parkland didn't happen, and he's sending people to Parkland parents' houses. | ||
| And there was no video, no audio. | ||
| It wasn't true. | ||
| In fact, I said, I believe Parkland happened. | ||
| So I'm not going to be the mass shooting denial guy. | ||
| I have been branded as the Sandy Hook guy. | ||
| I mean, imagine a Final Cut Pro video editing timeline. | ||
| And you go back almost, it was seven years ago, I guess it's more than seven years now, and the Internet didn't believe some of the things about Sandy Hook. | ||
| I started covering it weeks after. | ||
| My first articles and things are, oh, this will be used for gun control, and I bet the guy's on Prozac and a mental patient, which he was. | ||
| We already know, just from looking at the days after Sandy Hook on our own show, that that's a complete lie. | ||
| I know. | ||
| How does Joe not know that he's being lied to again? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Like, he's trying to have him clear the air and explain, like, what are the things that were weird? | ||
| You know, like, why is it okay what you're saying? | ||
| That sort of thing. | ||
| To his show that he was mad that Alex was lying to him, and then he brings Alex onto his show for Alex to lie to him! | ||
| To sort of refine his lie. | ||
| Yeah, that's pathetic. | ||
| The idea that his listeners or people on the internet or whatever were things that he was responding to, sure, I'm willing to buy that. | ||
| I mean, you should have a better editorial policy in terms of what you report on, number one. | ||
| And then number two, the timeline is completely jacked. | ||
| He's saying weeks later, it was the day of he started saying it was fake. | ||
| And then five days later, on December 19th... | ||
| He started insinuating that it was fake the day of. | ||
| Right. | ||
| He came to a solid position a couple days after that. | ||
| Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Very quickly. | ||
| And then on December 19th, 2012, five days after, he started suggesting that they were actors. | ||
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Yep. | |
| So he cannot... | ||
| Make this claim here. | ||
| This is bullshit. | ||
| And Joe allows it to go unquestioned, which is a very serious problem just out of the gate. | ||
| I think the two of them are going to work themselves up into possibly a new lawsuit by the time this is over. | ||
| I was just thinking... | ||
| Should Alex be talking about this? | ||
| No. | ||
| He's currently being sued over this, right? | ||
| No. | ||
| And actually... | ||
| That's Roger Stone! | ||
| He should have a gag order on him! | ||
| One sentence, or not one, it's not a sentence, but one clip we're gonna hear I really think could be actionable. | ||
| Jesus! | ||
| Like, in addition to... | ||
| Like, cause he... | ||
| We'll get to it when we get to it, but it was pretty troubling. | ||
| Is Joe actually secretly a mastermind who is getting Alex to continue to dig his own grave? | ||
| I don't think so, cause this would be a much shorter episode if it was. | ||
| Fair. | ||
| He knocks that out in the first 15 minutes. | ||
| So here in this next clip, Alex blows his timeline again about Sandy Hook. | ||
| And we know that from looking back at the episodes. | ||
| Like, this is just demonstrably not true. | ||
| About a couple weeks into it, my listeners and others start sending me all these anomalies and things. | ||
| And later it turned out some of those anomalies weren't accurate. | ||
| And then I just moved on from it, okay? | ||
| I mean, I'm not Adam Lanza. | ||
| I didn't kill those kids. | ||
| But when I'm on the streets now, people don't know who Adam Lanza is, the guy that killed those kids. | ||
| They think it's me. | ||
| They say, I can't believe you're not in prison for what you did to Sandy Hook. | ||
| All they know is Alex Cho and Sandy Hook get kids. | ||
| Well, I don't think that's... | ||
| I think the majority of them are angry because the narrative has been that you're sending people to these Sandy Hook families' homes. | ||
| Exactly, and I'm not, and I never have. | ||
| That you're responsible for these people getting harassed because you said on your radio show that it wasn't real. | ||
| Yes, there is video and audio of me saying, I can see how people don't think it happened, and I can see how people think it's synthetic because there's been stage events before. | ||
| That then gets edited, put together, cobbled together. | ||
| But I never said go to people's houses. | ||
| I never said go investigate. | ||
| Did you ever say that you think it's not real? | ||
| Yes, I did. | ||
| But now you do think it's real. | ||
| Because I learned some of the anomalies were not accurate. | ||
| Because you're bad at your job. | ||
| You're fucking bad at this. | ||
| Like, that's what he's saying. | ||
| He's saying, like, yeah, I just believe bullshit, and I really hurt people. | ||
| But I won't take responsibility for that. | ||
| The tape of me saying that it's actors is fucking edited. | ||
| It's not. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| You could go to the entire episode. | ||
| The video is still there. | ||
| It is not edited at all. | ||
| He's telling a... | ||
| At least that 2015 instance. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Absolutely not edited at all. | ||
| He's dodging responsibility while trying to, again, performatively accept responsibility. | ||
| And that's pathetic. | ||
| And not only that, but we did hear in our days after Sandy Hook that people need to go investigate and hire private investigators. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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So you lied again, you mean. | |
| Well, it's that thin line of, like, I didn't send people to their houses. | ||
| I just suggested that people need to investigate. | ||
| Yeah, well, he just said that he didn't say people need to investigate. | ||
| Yeah, that's a good point. | ||
| Yeah, he already... | ||
| But he could fall back on the argument of, like, I met professionals. | ||
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I met... | |
| I meant the FBI needs to be investigating this. | ||
| I was just so imprecise in my language. | ||
| It could easily be interpreted as saying amateur gumshoes should get out there and stalk people. | ||
| I feel like, I don't know why, but I've got this vision of me being Joe Rogan's dad and being like, if people are constantly lying to you, they're not really your friends, Joe. | ||
| You need to cut bait with them and run. | ||
| And he never learned, Dan. | ||
| No. | ||
| Joe Rogan never took my advice when I was his dad. | ||
| Well, since we are all our ancestors by default, we are all everybody simultaneously or something. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| There are four ways to learn. | ||
| Joe tries to get Alex to understand that there is a tendency among people, particularly people who have certain forms of mental illness. | ||
| He's speaking way too broadly in terms of saying, like, schizophrenics love conspiracy theorists. | ||
| It's a little bit too general, but the point he's trying to make is that there are people in the world who believe that everything is fake. | ||
| And that you can get into that system. | ||
| And then Alex, piggybacking on that, accepts that he was kind of that way before. | ||
| Kind of. | ||
| And was. | ||
| Before. | ||
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Right. | |
| Those are some problems. | ||
| As opposed to now, when he never... | ||
| He's trying to pretend that years back, he realized that he was falling into that trap. | ||
| And he discusses that in this next clip, and it's fucking stupid. | ||
| But I kind of realized a few years ago that I kind of had my own mild psychosis in that when you've been lied to by the media and the culture so much over and over again, everything then starts becoming automatically, you're sure it's fake, and then everything you see fits into that. | ||
| This is probably, again, four or five years ago, I began to realize, because I was on the receiving end, people pulling up in white vans with guns at my office saying, I know you put a microchip in my head and I'm going to kill you. | ||
| And so it was kind of like once I got super famous, it was like, whoa. | ||
| Now, the important thing about that is Alex only is saying that he realized that he was in this pattern of believing everything was fake and that's bad because he became the victim of conspiracy theories. | ||
| Basically, his listeners started treating him the way that they treated the people that Alex lied about. | ||
| And he then was like, oh my god, this is awful. | ||
| But at no point is he dealing with the fact that he created these or encouraged these tendencies in people. | ||
| He's just saying it as sort of an abstract, people are like that. | ||
| As opposed to, like, my entire modus operandi, my entire business model is encouraging this behavior in people. | ||
| And then once it was directed at me, I realized, oh, this isn't good. | ||
| But then I didn't change my behaviors, but I'm going to pretend I did. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Yeah, he's not a good person. | ||
| No. | ||
| He doesn't have a very large vocabulary. | ||
| I prefer a good Lionel. | ||
| He knows a number of words that he uses weirdly. | ||
| That's definitely true. | ||
| He knows a lot of $5 words that he throws in very strangely. | ||
| I'm just saying that if I were telling the story of people in white vans showing up at my studio with guns pointed at me, my reaction would not be, it was like, whoa. | ||
| Unless you're Black Rob. | ||
| That's possible. | ||
| Then it's like, whoa. | ||
| Everything's like, whoa. | ||
| That's like, whoa! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So in this next clip, I think that you're getting a sense here that Alex is sort of, like, paying lip service to the idea that he did things wrong. | ||
| And he's like, I blew it. | ||
| But he's also saying that it's because people gave him bad information, which is dodging responsibility to some extent. | ||
| And then more than that, he seems to be painting the picture that he's the real victim in the whole thing. | ||
| What? | ||
| Of course he is. | ||
| He only became aware that his behaviors were maybe a mild psychosis because he became victimized by them, which is drawing attention away from the real victims of his rhetoric and his behavior. | ||
| But this next clip I thought was a little bit beyond the pale. | ||
| This is what I'll say about Sandy Hook. | ||
| I legitimately questioned it when people brought up... | ||
| I then had debates about it on both sides. | ||
| The internet pushed me to keep covering it. | ||
| I probably covered it 20 times in the first few years it happened. | ||
| And then as soon as I questioned it, not being staged, I got attacked so much that I said, screw it, mass shootings happened. | ||
| I believe it happened. | ||
| But then media would call me or interview me and say, okay, but tell us the anomalies of why you questioned. | ||
| They were getting me to say it again. | ||
| Not that they didn't have the right to question it, but they thought, well, Alex Jones versus dead kids, Alex Jones denying it, Alex Jones harassing families. | ||
| This is a perfect way to get this guy who's so popular in getting people to question and getting people to think. | ||
| And so it took me years, I think I'm smart, I guess I'm not, to figure out what was going on. | ||
| So when Hillary, a few months before the election, in this huge speech that says Alex Jones has a dark heart, he knows Sandy Hook kids died. | ||
| But he says they didn't, and he sends people to their houses. | ||
| He's the worst guy in the world. | ||
| So I came out and I said, listen, I never sent anybody to their houses, but I apologize if it's taken out of context. | ||
| People have a right to question, but I'm sorry for the families, and I'm sorry for your hurt, and I get it, and I've experienced crazy people now, big time, just like you have. | ||
| Please stop saying that I'm saying it didn't happen. | ||
| See, this is the muddying that Joe is still allowing him to do. | ||
| People weren't saying that he was still saying it. | ||
| They were discussing the lingering damage of him saying it consistently in the past when it mattered. | ||
| That's what the people were talking about. | ||
| And no one was trying to bait him into saying these things so they could take shit out of context. | ||
| That's him creating a victim narrative for himself about this that somehow trumps... | ||
| The actual event. | ||
| It's so pathetic. | ||
| The damage that I've done over and over and over again, that's not even really my fault. | ||
| I was tricked. | ||
| I was cajoled. | ||
| The anomalies were fake. | ||
| It was all something that happened to me, and so I apologize for it, and it's over, right? | ||
| You can stop suing me. | ||
| Can you stop suing me? | ||
| Could everybody just stop suing me real quick? | ||
| I apologized. | ||
| I said, I'm sorry. | ||
| Hamdi shut up after I did that. | ||
| You don't get to argue that the anomalies were fake, and that gets you off the hook, because you were reporting them and screaming about how they were real. | ||
| That is the problem. | ||
| I understand that you were tricked. | ||
| Believe me, you're preaching to the choir. | ||
| I think you're an idiot. | ||
| You fall for things all the time. | ||
| True. | ||
| That is not news to me. | ||
| It's not exculpatory in any way. | ||
| That is descriptive. | ||
| It is not excusing. | ||
| But at the same time... | ||
| And also it is to be included in his crimes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, I guess you could... | ||
| You know what? | ||
| Really what I think he's trying to do is trying to build an argument that takes away intent from his... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because I think a big part of defamation comes down to like you intentionally maligned these people. | ||
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Right. | |
| And if he tries to get this little... | ||
| This wedge in there of, like, I was misled by bad information. | ||
| I came from a sincere place. | ||
| And, you know, hey, what are you going to do? | ||
| Maybe he's trying to get that legal standard diminished. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And Joe is allowing him to do that. | ||
| When you go back and you look at it, that does not accurately describe how he behaved. | ||
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Uh-uh. | |
| That is not okay. | ||
| So, actually, Joe's an accessory to what I would describe as almost obstruction of justice at this point. | ||
| If that's something that exists within civil cases. | ||
| Within civil cases? | ||
| I don't think it does. | ||
| I'm not sure it does. | ||
| I don't think it does. | ||
| So in this next clip, Joe asks Alex if he wishes he'd done something different. | ||
| And not get sued? | ||
| That's not Alex doing that. | ||
| He certainly wishes he wasn't being sued. | ||
| But his answer is interesting. | ||
| Do you wish he did something different? | ||
| Oh my god, in hindsight, absolutely. | ||
| But again, I legitimately... | ||
| Didn't think my show was as powerful as it was, so I wasn't retrospectively looking at everything I was doing as much as I should. | ||
| Nobody's perfect. | ||
| As you get older, you grow and you learn things. | ||
| I'd like to remind everybody that in 2009, three years before the Sandy Hook stuff, Alex was screaming about how his show had changed the world. | ||
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I was going to say, yeah, he said so many times that he has like two billion listeners. | |
| Fuck you! | ||
| And even in the day after the Sandy Hook, I believe, it was the day after or the two days after, he was screaming about how they had helped bring back gun culture and then went out to break screaming, we're winning, we're winning, we're winning! | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. | ||
| Influential leaders listen to this show to find out what's happening. | ||
| I interviewed a congressman. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That doesn't match at all, and I think it's a very pathetic angle to take. | ||
| It's like, I didn't understand how influential my show was. | ||
| Meanwhile, I screamed for years about how I'm the most influential show in the world. | ||
| We are the leaders in Patriot Radio. | ||
| Freedom talk is us. | ||
| So now here's another thing. | ||
| One thing that's super important to consider about Alex's protests that he didn't know how big his show was and that he had no idea he was hurting people is the fact that in late January 2013, Lenny Posner, the father of a victim at Sandy Hook, sent Alex an email. | ||
| Lenny had been being harassed by conspiracy theorists already at that point, so he told Alex, quote, Haven't we had our share of pain and suffering? | ||
| I used to enjoy listening to your shows. | ||
| Now I feel your type of show created these hateful people and they need to be reeled in. | ||
| He was saying that in reference to the fact that he used to love listening to Alex. | ||
| He was a fan of his show until it ruined his life. | ||
| That is such an unfortunate irony. | ||
| So he sent Alex an email within like a month or so of probably about a month after Sandy Hook when these consequences were starting to show up in his life and were really terrible. | ||
| Alex didn't reply, but his assistant wrote back and said, quote, Alex has no doubt this was a real tragedy. | ||
| Of course, after that response email, Alex continued to peddle the idea that Sandy Hook was fake and no one died there. | ||
| He posted an article with the headline, quote, FBI says no one died at Sandy Hook, which was an intentional misrepresentation of murder statistics. | ||
| It basically had to do with where the murders were classified. | ||
| Whether it was in the city or the county, statewide numbers, stuff like that. | ||
| We'll deal with it in more detail when it comes up in our 2012. | ||
| Well, Alex's, you know, his assistant did write in the email, it is a real tragedy, parentheses, that the government staged it and you're an actor, parentheses. | ||
| It was a very different email. | ||
| And then in brackets, off the record. | ||
| So then, of course, we know that as recently as 2015, he was telling callers that it was all actors, completely synthetic, no one died there. | ||
| I thought that kids died there, but after I looked at it, I realized it was all actors. | ||
| Those actions came after a parent of a murdered child reached out to him and made him very aware of the damage he was doing. | ||
| All of these excuses to the effect of, like, I didn't know what I was doing, I didn't know I was so influential, fall on completely deaf ears. | ||
| One of the victims who was affected by his behavior had made it clear to him that this is something that is a problem. | ||
| And he didn't care. | ||
| I think we have intent. | ||
| Yeah, no, totally. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He didn't care at all. | ||
| He was aware. | ||
| All this is bullshit. | ||
| And Joe is allowing him, unquestioningly, to put this forth. | ||
| And he's like, I didn't know how influential I was. | ||
| I was a younger man! | ||
| Bullshit. | ||
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| Bullshit. | ||
| So, at this point, they start talking about how, like, they had a little conversation pre-show, and that Alex didn't know what he wanted to say. | ||
| Like, he didn't... | ||
| Ugh! | ||
| So... | ||
| This is just kind of funny because it indicates how rude Alex is. | ||
| You know, we even talked before we went on air about what am I going to, you know, I mean, Alex, what do you want to say today so you can help me get it out? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I want to say a bunch of things. | ||
| I'm only learning how this works being in the process of it, and it's given me a much bigger view than I knew 23 years ago when I first got on air. | ||
| Because I've experienced what other people have said these bad things I did experience. | ||
| I did it from a good heart. | ||
| I believed questioning was okay. | ||
| I was covering other people questioning. | ||
| So, more excuses, more nonsense. | ||
| I love that. | ||
| I didn't know what I was going to say. | ||
| I have a lot I'd like to say. | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| Who gives a shit? | ||
| You're a prop. | ||
| You're a prop. | ||
| And even in the beginning of that clip expressed exactly what his goal is. | ||
| You're letting me get my message out on your show. | ||
| Yeah, we had a conversation before the show about what I can help you spread. | ||
| What lies I can help you get out in the fucking ethersphere? | ||
| And the only debate I think that's relevant, and I don't really have a position on, is how much Joe is aware of the fact that he's being lied to again. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And to what extent is he a knowing participant in allowing Alex to lie to everybody more? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| That's a debatable, open question. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| Oh, Joe. | ||
| Oh, Joe. | ||
| So they jump off the Sandy Hook stuff now, and I think we got a pretty clear picture that Alex is just trying to equivocate Dodge's responsibility while looking penitent in some ways. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And it's a disgrace, and he's lying even still about the timeline, about what he did, about his intentions, all of that stuff. | ||
| This is just... | ||
| This is a disgrace. | ||
| People really gotta learn how to apologize when they're psychopaths. | ||
| That's a bad move. | ||
| No, because I think this works for most people who don't know any better. | ||
| I think most people who are listening to this or Joe's audience probably are like, you know what? | ||
| That's real big of him. | ||
| That's real big of him. | ||
| Fuck off. | ||
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Because he was at least willing to admit that he wishes he'd done some things differently. | |
| That takes a lot. | ||
| That takes a big man to say that. | ||
| It does not take a big man. | ||
| No, it doesn't. | ||
| It does not. | ||
| Especially when saying that is in service of... | ||
| Promoting a further lie. | ||
| Yeah, that would be so infuriating to me. | ||
| That right there, that apology, regardless of whether or not he's even telling the truth, like even if he was telling the truth, he is not saying, I am not making excuses for my behavior. | ||
| I'm giving you reasoning. | ||
| I'm explaining it. | ||
| I am fully taking responsibility for what I've done. | ||
| I'm fully taking responsibility for what's been done to the Sandy Hook families. | ||
| No, he's saying, that's not really my fault. | ||
| There's no ownership. | ||
| That's not an apology. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| None. | ||
| That's fucking pathetic. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| So, in this next clip, we find out where things went wrong for Alex in terms of the present troubles that he's in. | ||
| Birth? | ||
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| When I align with Trump, that's when all hell broke loose. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That was part of it. | ||
| I think that was definitely part of it. | ||
| And Hillary admits she looked at my whole bio and said, Sandy Hook, hit him on that. | ||
| Bullshit. | ||
| Now... | ||
| When did she admit that? | ||
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Do you still communicate with Trump? | |
| To you? | ||
| Did she call you? | ||
| It becomes a big issue. | ||
| I mean, I obviously communicate with surrogates and people who talk to Trump. | ||
| Roger. | ||
| I mean, Don Jr. was on Tucker Carlson last night. | ||
| They were talking about me and saying what happened to me is wrong. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So now he's out at Don Jr. is talking to him, too. | ||
| Yeah, no kidding. | ||
| That's cool, man. | ||
| Well, he's already out of that whenever he was like, I can't talk about my source. | ||
| It was Donald Trump Jr. | ||
| But I also don't think that's true anymore, probably. | ||
| I bet that that's also... | ||
| In the same way that he's saying, I don't talk to Trump anymore. | ||
| I bet that maybe Don Jr. gave him information two years ago or something like that. | ||
| But I'm positive at this point. | ||
| They're not in communication anymore. | ||
| No, that's what I'm referencing. | ||
| Whenever he said, I can't... | ||
| But he only talked to him because of Cernovich. | ||
| Right, exactly. | ||
| Which is stupid. | ||
| I don't like any of the dumbness involved in that. | ||
| It's a long line of incredibly stupid people in a fucking daisy chain game of telephone. | ||
| It's a game of broken telephone. | ||
| So, it wouldn't be an Alex Jones appearance if he didn't start complaining about the Chinese. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| At this point, he starts yelling about China and Google working together. | ||
| Sure, it's not a great thing. | ||
| Good call. | ||
| But Joe knows some people at Google and has spoken to them. | ||
| In a hot tub? | ||
| I actually believe Joe because he has information as opposed to dumb fucking stories about running into globalists in airports and hot springs. | ||
| But Joe tries to explain to Alex why Google is working with China in the capacity that they are, and in a way that we would probably not be comfortable with. | ||
| And actually, Joe is even like, I don't know if I think this is a good idea, but here's the explanation for why they're doing it. | ||
| Which I think is a fair way to present things. | ||
| Well, let me tell you something, because I knew someone who worked at Google. | ||
| I know someone who used to work at Google, I should say. | ||
| Their thought process was... | ||
| That Google is going, if they don't bring Google to China in a censored form, they're going to copy Google. | ||
| This was their real worry. | ||
| Because China copies everything. | ||
| I mean, their intellectual copyright law over there. | ||
| Yeah, but then they're just going to steal it better now. | ||
| True. | ||
| But this is what they're saying. | ||
| Think about that, Joe. | ||
| But let me explain something from the point of view of Google. | ||
| As a business, and I'm not saying I agree with this, because I don't. | ||
| Makes more apple juice. | ||
| Get some apple juice in your system, fella. | ||
| God. | ||
| It's noon! | ||
| It's him pouring some more Tito's. | ||
| It's fucking noon! | ||
| That's at least his second or third glass of Tito's. | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| Completely unwilling to hear Joe's argument from, you know, from experience and knowing somebody there that, like, here's why they're agreeing to work with him. | ||
| And like I said, I didn't include it in here because this isn't a show really about Joe Rogan's positions, but he does say that, like... | ||
| I don't think that that's necessarily a good idea, but they're not doing it in order to build a worldwide censorship machine. | ||
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Right, right, right, right. | |
| That sort of thing. | ||
| So he's pushing back a tiny bit towards Alex's rhetoric, but not nearly enough. | ||
| And it's clearly ineffective. | ||
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Right. | |
| Well, you can already see that Alex is not listening. | ||
| No. | ||
| Alex, when Joe is talking, Alex is not listening to the point where you didn't need to say... | ||
| I need to get another drink. | ||
| No. | ||
| You could have not said it. | ||
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No. | |
| But he has to interject there because it's a power move. | ||
| It's a whole, like, you can say whatever you want, but I'm drunk. | ||
| When I talk, I blow minds. | ||
| When you talk, my mind turns off. | ||
| Because you are a dumb, dumb gorilla. | ||
| You're just some kind of thing. | ||
| You're a thing. | ||
| I am one of the elite. | ||
| I am elevated above you. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| And actually, Alex says something later that almost made me have a spit take about how great he is. | ||
| We'll get to it. | ||
| But, of course, in the same way that if Alex is on, Chinese are going to take it on the chin. | ||
| Also, if Alex is on... | ||
| Yeah, which they're really pissed off about. | ||
| They hate taking it on the chin from Alex. | ||
| Especially imaginary haymakers. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| But if Alex is on, he's also going to talk about chimeras. | ||
| I'm fine with that. | ||
| So he gets into talking about chimeras, and of course, because this is a show where there's no time to do research, there's no time to respond to anything, you just got Jamie behind the board who will Google something. | ||
| good argument that there are uh pig human uh hybrids and in wombs and stuff like that if you go and just google the basic information fine you're right yeah you're lying about it but there isn't enough time on the show to get the nuance get the detail of it and so alex's suppositions are deemed to be like oh my god he's totally right that sort of thing which is a dangerous thing and one of the reasons you can't have someone like alex on a show like this uh but This is really funny. | ||
| Alex starts ranting about these here chimeras, and then Joe tries to get him to like, hold on, what are you talking about? | ||
| And Alex's response is so funny. | ||
| 20 years ago, they had spiders that produced body armor. | ||
| Spider guts. | ||
| They have human-animal hybrids 30 years ago. | ||
| They've got giant human tissue farms. | ||
| You hear, oh, your Achilles is torn. | ||
| We've got a grown-in-a-lab attendant. | ||
| It's not a frickin' attendant grown-in-a-lab. | ||
| It's a frickin' deal, a humanoid. | ||
| These aren't humans. | ||
| The way they get around it is they make them... | ||
| Wait a minute, wait a minute. | ||
| We're saying so many things. | ||
| Listen, I love you to death. | ||
| I bet you $10 million human rights are real. | ||
| I believe they are. | ||
| But you say so many different things without stopping. | ||
| It's hard for people to absorb. | ||
| Because I'm reporting to the government agency so they'll listen and investigate. | ||
| I'm decompartmentalizing. | ||
| This will be studied for years. | ||
| This lunatic. | ||
| This will be studied for years. | ||
| I mean, that's just like the Kevin Spacey line from 7. Like, what I'm doing will be... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Studied and reflected upon for decades to come. | ||
| Alex has that same sort of narcissistic streak. | ||
| What I'm doing, talking about spider goats. | ||
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Once again, I... | |
| That's a great comparison to a literal serial killer. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then also, two things that are super important is that Joe is trying to explain to Alex that you jump from topic A to B to C to D to E to F. I'm still on A. What the fuck were you talking about? | ||
| And that's not... | ||
| He's like, this isn't a productive way to communicate. | ||
| That sort of thing. | ||
| You're way downstream. | ||
| I'm back here trying to talk about these things. | ||
| He doesn't seem to realize that this is part of Alex's manipulative technique. | ||
| That he can't... | ||
| Stop on A, because he needs to be on D or E by the time you have heard what A was. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Or else you're going to look into it and be like, you're just full of shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Calm down, Alex. | ||
| And also, the second thing that's super important is that he's saying spider goats are spiders. | ||
| They're goats. | ||
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They're goats with spider jeans, not spiders making body armor. | |
| It would be more fun if it was... | ||
| Spiders with goat jeans. | ||
| Spiders with goat jeans would be fantastic. | ||
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What the fuck would they gain from those goat jeans? | |
| Bigger. | ||
| They'd be big. | ||
| That's so crazy. | ||
| They've always wanted to be big. | ||
| His whole point is that he's trying... | ||
| It's these little moments. | ||
| And I don't think that it's just a product of his intoxication and slipping up. | ||
| He doesn't know what a spider goat is. | ||
| He just knows it is a thing. | ||
| It is a thing. | ||
| He thinks it's a spider. | ||
| It'd be a fun spider. | ||
| Whatever the case is. | ||
| Actually, no. | ||
| It'd be a massive spider that would also be able to bite you. | ||
| I'm not into it. | ||
| Yeah, no. | ||
| That's no good. | ||
| Later in the episode, he talks about how OSS, the precursor of the CIA, was actually British intelligence, but at the same time, he spends a minute trying to remember what OSS stands for. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So it's like, what kind of information do you have if you don't know these basic things? | ||
| What do you know about fucking chimeras if you think spider goats are spiders? | ||
| Get the fuck out of here. | ||
| That's what I would do if I were Rogan. | ||
| I would be like, come on, man. | ||
| Get the fuck out of here. | ||
| So, I told you... | ||
| Also, by the way, it's the office of Secret Sauce. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| Horsey Sauce has a whole department in there. | ||
| So, I told you earlier when they were talking about Sandy Hook, I felt like they might have accidentally worked themselves into a new lawsuit. | ||
| And this clip here is what I was basing this on. | ||
| Because Alex has a new conspiracy. | ||
| About what's going on with him and Sandy Hook. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| Don't talk about it! | ||
| He really shouldn't. | ||
| This next clip is bad. | ||
| And I'm sorry it ever happened. | ||
| I believed it happened. | ||
| I'm sorry for people's pain. | ||
| And then I ask the families, and I ask the lawyers, and I ask them all, stop in my name, saying I'm the wolf at the door, saying go after these families, and stop running around to the news everywhere saying Alex Jones says Sandy Hook didn't happen. | ||
| Because the media is the most unpopular thing in the world with 7% approval rating in Gallup. | ||
| So when they say that I say it's fake, that sends people to Connecticut because people think the media lies. | ||
| Alex Jones said it didn't happen. | ||
| It must have not happened. | ||
| And now they're trying to create a violent event. | ||
| Not the families, but I think some of the people involved know that if they make a big enough hype about it, they're going to have a big event up there in Connecticut. | ||
| You understand? | ||
| And they're going to blame it on me. | ||
| So I'm saying no, no, no. | ||
| I believe it happened. | ||
| Stop saying I said it didn't happen. | ||
| And stop saying that I'm saying no kids died. | ||
| Because I want to talk about human-animal hybrids. | ||
| I like that a lot. | ||
| Like, those are the moments that Alex is funny, but he's not trying to be funny. | ||
| Like, he sincerely is saying, stop fucking saying this about Sandy Hook. | ||
| My big message is human-animal hybrids. | ||
| Fuck off. | ||
| I mean, he is... | ||
| Fuck off. | ||
| He's not saying, stop proving. | ||
| He just wants them to stop saying it because it's really hurting his feelings. | ||
| It is, and that's so tough. | ||
| Also, is he trying to say that the media is running a false flag on him? | ||
| It's so complicated, but yes, walk through it and let me see if you get it. | ||
| If I understand this correctly, the media is actually the ones who are trying to harass the Sandy Hook families because they know they're so hated that if they were to say Alex Jones says this, Because people hate the media so much, they're gonna trust Alex more, and then the media knows this is what's going to happen. | ||
| I think you're already off. | ||
| So they're going to then investigate the Sandy Hook family? | ||
| I think you're off a little bit, maybe. | ||
| So the media is so hated, right? | ||
| Right. | ||
| That they say that Alex says that Sandy Hook is fake. | ||
| And people hate the media. | ||
| Therefore, they think that that is misreporting and trying to cover up something. | ||
| And so their logical conclusion is, well, it must have been fake. | ||
| If they're saying that it's wrong for someone to say it's fake, then it must be fake. | ||
| Ergo, we're going to go to Connecticut and cause a huge terrorist attack. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That will blame on Alex. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| And the media is aware that this is what they're doing. | ||
| I think he's also implying that? | ||
| Well, because the OSS is involved. | ||
| Oh, of course. | ||
| Yeah, I think that is what he's trying to present. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| The idea that the media is trying to do this in order to precipitate a large terrorist attack in Connecticut to blame on Alex. | ||
| This is the definition of paranoid narcissism. | ||
| Just believing everything is about you, it's so sad to see. | ||
| Yeah, because the one thing that he could not possibly wrap his head around is that the media actually doesn't care about him at all. | ||
| No, or that they're only reporting on things based on what he has done. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| And I think that he's gotten so far that I don't know if he's able to distinguish between what his straw men are and what the reality is. | ||
| Like, criticisms that are being lobbied against him... | ||
| I don't know if he's able to tell what's real and what's not. | ||
| What's his spin and what people are actually saying. | ||
| And it's interesting for that to exist on the same episode where he's saying that years ago I realized that there's this mild psychosis where thinking everything is fake. | ||
| It's exactly how you operate. | ||
| The ability to have an awareness about that and pin it on your past self... | ||
| It implies some awareness that you're still beholden to those patterns. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It troubles me a little bit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, first, do you think this is a situation where we're getting Alex without his InfoWars hat on? | ||
| He's not wearing a hat. | ||
| I mean, this is more genuine. | ||
| No. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's still doing a show. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You can tell, like, when he interrupted Joe in that one clip and how he's just rambling, he keeps saying, like, I'm ranting. | ||
| And then Joe's like, oh, go ahead, go ahead. | ||
| Like, that sort of thing. | ||
| It's basically Joe's got himself front row seats to an Alex Jones performance. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because, like, it's just, it's not a conversation. | ||
| It's not an interview. | ||
| It's just Alex rambling about spider goats and how everyone's blaming him for Sandy Hook and they think he's Adam Lanza and he's a victim and blah, blah, blah. | ||
| Joe chimes in some, but it's not a two-way street. | ||
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That just doesn't seem like a good basis for a friendship. | |
| It's not. | ||
| You know? | ||
| It's not. | ||
| Like, that's really abusive behavior that Joe is participating in willingly. | ||
| Yeah, because I think he holds out hope. | ||
| In the same way that I want an explanation for a lot of things in Alex's career, and the answer might be, he's a lunatic. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I think that Joe, probably in the same way, wants an explanation for why his friend would treat him that way. | ||
| And I think he hopes for an answer other than... | ||
| Oh, he's just a crazy person, and he has money, so he's not yelling on a street corner. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like that sort of thing. | ||
| Alex is the embodiment of money privilege, because his behavior is very, very close to someone who gets locked in a loony bin. | ||
| Or whatever. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I don't even like using that terminology, but you know what I'm saying. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| He is no different than someone in other circumstances that would be 5150'd or be homeless. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, that is, like, the level of... | ||
| Yeah, we're talking pre- and post-Reagan as to which one is which. | ||
| That's the level of impairment Alex is operating under these days especially, and I think that Joe wants a different explanation for why things are going the way they are, and unfortunately, if you listen to this episode, you see... | ||
| There's nothing. | ||
| I don't think there's anything there. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's a little bit like Joe is portraying himself as the person who wants to believe the best in everybody. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Do you know what I mean? | ||
| Like, he's the person who's like, look, I know all of this horror, all of this terror right there, but you're still a human being, and I believe there's good inside you. | ||
| Like, that kind of shit, when in reality... | ||
| Well, he does say a bunch of times, and I didn't cut out these clips because I don't care, but he does say a number of times, like, and another reason I didn't cut them is because it's the same thing he said on the last time Alex was on his show. | ||
| He's like, I wanted to show the world the version of you that I love. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| You're a fun guy. | ||
| All that stuff. | ||
| And it's like, I think that's... | ||
| The version of you that I love is the guy who yells at me for five hours. | ||
| And there's so much on here that just goes, like, that Joe just lets slide. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Like, that... | ||
| First of all, I mean, we've already talked about all these Sandy Hook lies that Joe is just letting Alex tell. | ||
| He lets him, without pushback... | ||
| Give this idea that they're trying to plan a large terrorist attack in Connecticut and blame it on him. | ||
| Joe doesn't be like, hey, that's crazy. | ||
| Or anything like that. | ||
| So the version of Alex that Joe seems to want to present to the world as a fun guy who he loves is a lying bigot who's clearly mentally disturbed. | ||
| And then we laugh at him. | ||
| Which I'm not thrilled with that. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| Life is what it is, man. | ||
| Yeah, but the important... | ||
| Roll with the punches, I guess. | ||
| Yeah, but the important thing, Jordan, is that Alex, he knows that the globalists are evil. | ||
| Well, we all do. | ||
| And he knows that because of primary sources. | ||
| He talked to the spider goats? | ||
| He's not. | ||
| He talked to goat spiders. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| How's the goat spider leadership doing? | ||
| Not good. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| Eating tin cans and shit. | ||
| That's not what spiders should be doing. | ||
| In this next clip, Alex brings up a primary source and then completely lies about it. | ||
| And because Joe doesn't know what this source is, he doesn't push back on it. | ||
| And the Earth is seen as like an egg yolk to give the propulsion power for this new thing that's going to be born. | ||
| And whether you believe that or not, just like when... | ||
| The new thing meaning artificial intelligence? | ||
| Beyond that. | ||
| It's a fusion of artificial intelligence and a whole synthesis of new life forms. | ||
| And so that's the big giant race when Elon Musk came in and told you, because he goes to these billionaire functions, and he has a conscience, so he's freaked out. | ||
| And they go to these billionaire functions. | ||
| I don't just know this. | ||
| I've talked to people, and I was in Wired Magazine 20-something years ago. | ||
| Why the future doesn't need is Bill Joy, a billionaire, co-owner of Sun Microsystems. | ||
| He goes to a billionaire meeting with 200 guys, and the consensus was... | ||
| We're not going to let people play video games and party all day. | ||
| We're going to set up a world government. | ||
| We're going to slowly titrate the dose and poison the public, dumb them down, put electromagnetic radiation out with 5G that scrambles their DNA, lowers their IQ. | ||
| We're going to cause mass mental illness and a controlled societal collapse that will then be organized and controlled in the mop-up crew by robots, controlled by the globalist programmers who believe... | ||
| With the off-world entities they're in communication with, that they're going to be given the operation to upload and be in that larger kind of Borg cube system if they sell the country out. | ||
| You've got to hit the brakes because we need to take this back to it. | ||
| I'm so baffled. | ||
| He's baffled because Alex is just making stuff up. | ||
| Literally none of that is in Bill Joy's article. | ||
| You can find it. | ||
| We have a link up to it on our website. | ||
| I wrote a big essay about Bill Joy's Why the Future Doesn't Need Us. | ||
| You can go read it yourself. | ||
| It doesn't say any of that fucking shit. | ||
| The only thing that's close to that... | ||
| And Bill Joy's article is when Bill Joy is quoting Ted Kaczynski, the Unabomber, who wasn't at this conference that he went to among the elites or anything like that. | ||
| He was talking about someone who had a fear of a terrifying future with technology as an example of, like, this is something that someone has suggested. | ||
| It has nothing to do with anything. | ||
| Alex is completely lying about this primary source. | ||
| And because Joe... | ||
| I mean... | ||
| I appreciate his instinct of, like, slow down, pump the brake. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| But there's no amount of brake pumping that's going to allow him to read that article in the time that they have on air. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So Alex just gets away with it. | ||
| Well, they were on there for five hours, so he actually did have plenty of time to read it. | ||
| Or Jamie could have. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's plenty of time for that shit, but, like, it's just pathetic. | ||
| Like, this is all lies. | ||
| That plan that the globalists have is interesting to me, because either... | ||
| It needs to have taken more than one conference to come up with that entire plan. | ||
| And yet, at the same time, it's such a harebrained, stupid plan. | ||
| It actually could have only taken one conference to come up with that. | ||
| Like, they just kept drinking overnight, and they were like, we got it. | ||
| We got a whiteboard. | ||
| We nailed it. | ||
| This plan is going to take the next 30 years. | ||
| We're going to follow it to a T. I don't think they were talking about 5G 20 years ago, too. | ||
| I think they were. | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| I think they knew it. | ||
| I don't think that's the case. | ||
| Well, five years ago, they would have been... | ||
| No, 30 years ago. | ||
| How many years ago? | ||
| 20 years ago. | ||
| We barely had flip phones. | ||
| 20 years ago, they were talking about 1G. | ||
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And they were like, well, we assume that we'll have 5 by then. | |
| Every four years, there's a new G. In that sense. | ||
| Yeah, I guess as a hypothetical, eventual thing that will lead to 6G. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We won't make it to 6G, though. | ||
| 5G will have already scrambled our DNA, Dan. | ||
| Doing the jack-off motion. | ||
| Dan, you're making the jack-off motion. | ||
| Aggressively. | ||
| Yeah, to the point where I'm starting to feel a little uncomfortable. | ||
| If we had an HR department, we would have to have a conversation. | ||
| That's fine. | ||
| We have a locker room environment here at the show. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| I got my dad. | ||
| He's the HR rep. | ||
| So, in this next clip, they're having a little conversation about Alex's... | ||
| Well, another one of his talking points is like back in the... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| 60s. | ||
| Old days. | ||
| They had a plan that they were discussing of trying to bomb the atmosphere, or nuke the atmosphere. | ||
| That's fun. | ||
| And so they talk about this, and Joe knows about this from a documentary that he's watched or something like that, and this makes Alex super mad. | ||
| They detonated a nuclear bomb in the upper ionosphere. | ||
| Trying to blow up the radiation bomb? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| They've done a lot of goofy shit. | ||
| See, that's the thing. | ||
| That's why I got mad at you, and I love you, and you're a smart guy and everything. | ||
| No, listen, you got mad at me because we didn't communicate. | ||
| No, you know all this stuff I know. | ||
| You're even better at saying it. | ||
| And then you sit there because you can't handle it, and you It's not that I can't handle it. | ||
| There's two factors. | ||
| One, I don't have any time. | ||
| I don't have enough time to go into it as much as you do. | ||
| You asked why I flipped out and got mad at you? | ||
| That's it right there. | ||
| Every time I bring up a fucking subject, you know all about it! | ||
| I don't know all about this. | ||
| You fucking know all about this shit. | ||
| I don't know all about this. | ||
| Bullshit. | ||
| You're a smart guy. | ||
| I don't know all about this human hybrid Chimera shit. | ||
| Joe's just dumb. | ||
| Joe just is a pot. | ||
| Bullshit. | ||
| Who is saying that? | ||
| You know exactly what you're doing. | ||
| I don't think you're a bad guy. | ||
| You're trying to survive for you and your family and do good. | ||
| Okay, but no, no, no, no, no. | ||
| My family, your family, none of us are going to make it. | ||
| There's a post-human error coming. | ||
| The breakaway civilization, the deal's been made. | ||
| It's not the third dimension. | ||
| They've made freaking deals with interdimensional aliens. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And notice the media never attacks me for that, because that's the truth. | ||
| Maybe this is true. | ||
| I do not know this. | ||
| I don't know that. | ||
| So Alex is like, the media never attacks me when I say that the government has made deals with interdimensional aliens. | ||
| I think mostly that's because people are like, he's talking shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's like, who gives a shit? | ||
| It's not like, oh no, he's on to our secrets. | ||
| It's fun. | ||
| That Joe did not realize that Alex was absolutely insulting him in the form of a compliment. | ||
| He's saying he's a cuck. | ||
| Yeah, he's like, everything, you already know everything! | ||
| I mean, a lot of people say you're stupid all the time, and I'm just saying that it's not true, and you're like, wait. | ||
| I don't know who's saying he's stupid all the time. | ||
| It kind of sounds like you're saying he's stupid all the time. | ||
| I imagine some people say that he's a meathead or whatever. | ||
| No, for sure. | ||
| Absolutely, but that's something that you don't need to point out in a compliment. | ||
| The bigger insult that Alex is making is that you are a coward. | ||
| You know all the things that I know, and because you want your family to be safe, you don't talk about it. | ||
| And that pisses Alex off. | ||
| And Joe's trying to be like, I don't know this stuff that you think I know. | ||
| Because they're not real. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I can't look into it because it doesn't exist. | ||
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Right. | |
| How do you want me to look into extra-dimensional aliens making contracts with the government? | ||
| Well, you go there. | ||
| Joe's done DMT a ton of times. | ||
| Which is what Alex is going to say, is the conduit through which the government... | ||
| But we'll get to that when we get to it. | ||
| Alright, alright. | ||
| So, Alex isn't just taking this appearance on Rogan's show as some kind of a boon to his own life, which obviously it is. | ||
| He's also trying to extend a ladder down to some of his weirdo friends who also should be on Joe's show. | ||
| Oh, God, no! | ||
| Here's him trying to get his buddy booked on the Joe Rogan embarrassment. | ||
| And I interviewed Nick Begich. | ||
| You ever heard of Nick Begich in? | ||
| Dr. Nick Begich? | ||
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No. | |
| Oh my God, he'd blow you away. | ||
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Who is he? | |
| His dad was a U.S. congressman that got killed. | ||
| His brother, a U.S. senator. | ||
| They're the guys that got all the money given to Native Americans. | ||
| Can you spell his last name? | ||
| Begich. | ||
| He's a good friend of mine. | ||
| Can I get him on? | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| We'll fly her right now. | ||
| Anyways, the point is... | ||
| He is not busy. | ||
| What does he do? | ||
| He was telling me all these years ago, he goes, Alex, it isn't chemicals in the food and water. | ||
| That's child's play. | ||
| Spell his last name again? | ||
| I can only write it. | ||
| It's electrochemical. | ||
| What does that even mean? | ||
| I don't know how to spell it. | ||
| What does that mean? | ||
| I can only write it. | ||
| It's muscle memory. | ||
| If you can write it, then you can spell it. | ||
| It's muscle memory. | ||
| That's bananas. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| That's a bananas thing to say. | ||
| Well, it's a way of saying I don't know how to spell it without showing ass. | ||
| I can only write it? | ||
| I can only write it. | ||
| What? | ||
| Look, I can get if you've only read a word so you don't know how it's fully pronounced because nobody's said it. | ||
| That makes sense. | ||
| It doesn't work in the inverse. | ||
| It does to some extent. | ||
| If, like, what you're saying is, if I write out a word, I can tell if it looks wrong, that sort of thing. | ||
| If that's what he's trying to express, fine. | ||
| But I can only write it as a weird way of saying that. | ||
| That's not a way to say it. | ||
| Also, Nick Begich, if you're curious and don't remember from our show, he's the guy who has a fake degree from a Sri Lankan diploma mill and wrote a book called Angels Don't Play This Harp about the harp system. | ||
| Which, again. | ||
| Still fucking a great title. | ||
| He's a complete lunatic. | ||
| Still a great title. | ||
| And a con man that Alex thinks is a real intellectual. | ||
| Real cool dude. | ||
| He's also a favorite among the Project Camelot set. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| So he's real cool. | ||
| In this next clip, there's another instance of Alex bringing up something that is ostensibly defendable by a Google search. | ||
| I really wish he had written like Harry Potter. | ||
| Like a whole series of just like... | ||
| Angels don't dance on this pin, and it's all about pin numbers and how they're finding you. | ||
| No, because it would always have to be harp as the pun, not the angels. | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| You switch it around. | ||
| It's like angels don't play in this outfield, and it's about baseball. | ||
| Why not? | ||
| It's about how Disney is a conspiracy. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| That would be nice. | ||
| I don't think he has the interest in it. | ||
| I think he made enough mileage off Angels Don't Play This Harp in order to get him booked on the weirdo speaking circuit for the rest of his life. | ||
| Right, so he doesn't have to write another book. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Why force it? | ||
| Says J.K. Rowling. | ||
| You only stand to lose something if you're a weirdo and you write a book and it's influential. | ||
| Like, you could only fuck that up by writing another book that has information in it that can be attacked. | ||
| Right, like the dumb fuck who wrote the I'm a man gorilla, whatever. | ||
| Was that Cernovich? | ||
| Cernovich? | ||
| Gorilla Mindset? | ||
| Gorilla Mindset, yeah. | ||
| He wrote MAGA Mindset. | ||
| Yeah, and then he wrote another book and everybody's like, you're dumb. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think everyone said he was dumb before, but fair enough. | ||
| True, but his book sales suffered. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So in this next clip, Alex is talking about how cell phones control you and cell phone towers are meant to mind control people. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| And those sorts of things, if you just do a cursory Google search, you can find articles in Scientific American and stuff like that that speculate about these sorts of things. | ||
| But they don't prove Alex's point. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But they just discuss the similar technologies are useful in different ways and stuff like that. | ||
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Sure, sure. | |
| So it's another example of something. | ||
| Where Alex can bring this up, Jamie can Google it, and then they'd be like, oh my god, Alex is on to something here. | ||
| It's another sleight of hand trick that Alex is able to do, and I don't want to talk about it because we've gone into it in our show in the past, that specific topic, but it's interesting because it leads us to where we're going. | ||
| So this is a device given to us by the gods. | ||
| Given to us by the technology that... | ||
| That the breakaway government, NASA, has developed that you don't just think they've made up themselves, right? | ||
| What do you mean? | ||
| Who do you think made it up? | ||
| Well, when you're ready to get to it, I want listeners to understand something. | ||
| Notice the media is not going to cover this. | ||
| The media is not? | ||
| Well, they'll cover that. | ||
| I was on the show. | ||
| They're not going to cover this. | ||
| Because this is not my opinion. | ||
| This is the real research. | ||
| That I have heard, that I have talked to army generals, commanding generals, major generals, general generals, CIA, everybody, and they're all 100%. | ||
| And I thought it was a psyop before, and then I researched it, and I've talked to hundreds of people now, not on air, but I'm going to make a film on this, who've taken ayahuasca and DMT. | ||
| I've not taken it, for obvious reasons. | ||
| Which obvious reason? | ||
| And it's unbelievable, because, I mean, they 100% in San Francisco is the main project site, literally have an alien base, and they are literally communicating, and they've got, like, astronaut-level people taking super hardcore levels of drugs and going into meetings with these things and making intergalactic deals. | ||
| Are these intergalactic deals binding? | ||
| What's the body? | ||
| Uh, this is bullshit. | ||
| I mean, this is just, like, this is Project Camelot shit, man. | ||
| They're actually just making deals with the Beastie Boys. | ||
| Might be. | ||
| Might be. | ||
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| Also, I think, like, I know that the Getty Museum's in Los Angeles, but this is real fucking close to, like, there's an alien base. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's an alien base underneath the Getty Museum. | ||
| It's very similar in terms, I mean, I know San Francisco and Los Angeles. | ||
| It's a bit of a drive. | ||
| Did you know that Nazis are underground? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| They have a breakaway civilization with NASA who gets a budget of 50 bucks a year. | ||
| That's because there's the shadow budget that includes lots of money for NASA. | ||
| Alex is going to explain it all later. | ||
| All the rocket ships and stuff like that, that's all a facade. | ||
| It's like Britain. | ||
| There's a shadow parliament as well. | ||
| But that's a real thing. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So are the alien shadow departments. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| So you do a bunch of DMT. | ||
| Alex has this from major generals, general generals, tons of people that he's never talked to on air and definitely is not going to make a film about. | ||
| No. | ||
| They take lots of DMT and ayahuasca and then they go into these conferences with aliens. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Oh, God. | ||
| This is so disappointing. | ||
| This is, like, this is your big news? | ||
| You can't prove any of this. | ||
| You're just talking shit. | ||
| And it doesn't make any sense. | ||
| No. | ||
| And it's fun to talk about when you're high. | ||
| And I think that's why Rogan is kind of, like, not fighting it at all. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And if I were him, I'd probably let him talk, too. | ||
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Right. | |
| But in terms of, like, Alex, you are someone who tries to make real-world political... | ||
| You are somebody who supports, I don't know, Bolsonaro in Brazil. | ||
| You're someone who now, even though for years and years has been principally opposed to regime change, you are now supporting what's going on in Venezuela. | ||
| You cannot say that the big deal... | ||
| When you're on a show, they're like, I was listening to this live, there was like 120,000 people watching it live. | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| You can't say that the big thing behind everything is major general generals doing ayahuasca and making contracts with aliens. | ||
| You're a fucking asshole. | ||
| You're a joke. | ||
| This is pathetic. | ||
| I don't like that I feel like he was fucking with us a little bit with the general... | ||
| The general generals? | ||
| Yeah, the whole long list of generals was like, you know you're full of shit on this. | ||
| He was just vamping, I think, a little bit. | ||
| And then later, he actually has one specific reference for who he's talking about, and it'll be disappointing. | ||
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Double bang? | |
| You bet. | ||
| Oh, yeah! | ||
| Bring back the Stubblebine! | ||
| He does bring up Stubblebine. | ||
| How's Stubblebine doing? | ||
| He's dead. | ||
| Oh, well, you're doing a great show. | ||
| Thanks. | ||
| Real funny point, too. | ||
| Later, he says that Stubblebine was a three-star general. | ||
| Stubblebine was a two-star general. | ||
| Penny point, but Alex doesn't even know the rank of the person that he's saying is... | ||
| Who cares? | ||
| How many stars can you get? | ||
| 69. Ah, nice! | ||
| So, Alex has never done DMT. | ||
| For obvious reasons. | ||
|
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That's the dumbest thing. | |
| It is. | ||
| That was very dumb. | ||
| That was super dumb. | ||
| He hasn't done DMT for obvious reasons. | ||
|
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Right. | |
| Which I don't know. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| They would mess with his Adderall? | ||
| If he says that I don't do it for obvious reasons, the only thing I can think of that's an obvious reason is... | ||
| It's illegal. | ||
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Well... | |
| Yeah, but there's ways you can still do it. | ||
| Like, you know, native places. | ||
|
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Yeah, that's true. | |
| Temples and stuff like that. | ||
| There are loopholes and stuff like that. | ||
| You could do it fine with the legal stuff. | ||
| I think it's just that he thinks drugs are bad or something like that. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That's the only obvious reason. | ||
| Or he thinks it's intrinsically evil to do those drugs. | ||
| Or he's afraid of the interdimensional beings. | ||
| He doesn't want that to be, because he's not afraid of anything. | ||
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Okay. | |
| He doesn't want that to be the obvious reason. | ||
| But I don't know. | ||
| The point is, he's never done it for obvious reasons, but he's basically done DMT every night of his life. | ||
| With his mind. | ||
| It's so alien that if an alien landed right now in our parking lot and a little gray man with big black eyes got out, it would be nothing compared to what I've seen on psychedelic trips. | ||
| Well, let me just tell you. | ||
| Me getting into this, Joe, is just because people need to understand that I've known about this for a long time. | ||
| And I just don't think people are ready for it. | ||
| But a lot of folks who have low oxygen and who have... | ||
| Nine volt brains. | ||
| Well, who have sleep apnea, big necks, big heads, tongues go big. | ||
| Like you and me. | ||
| You go down to 62% oxygen. | ||
| That's another time that the brain releases DMT. | ||
| So my whole life, since I was about, my first memories were every night was a DMT trip. | ||
| So I basically, I don't want this to sound arrogant, it's not, I've seen everything. | ||
| I've seen everything. | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| I've seen everything. | ||
| I have fucking mild hallucinations every night, so I know that aliens are real? | ||
| It seems unlikely, too, that he's had this his whole life. | ||
| If what he's describing is his super out-of-shapeness and his massive neck causes the sleep apnea, then I would believe that that's more of a recent development in his life. | ||
| It does seem that way. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't care to litigate that, really. | ||
| I just bring that up as, like, Alex trying to sort of big dick the entire, like, you've done DMT and ayahuasca a couple times. | ||
| I do it every night, buddy. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I know more. | ||
| I've seen everything. | ||
| Even in this. | ||
| Joe, you think that this is your turf? | ||
| I got bad news for you. | ||
| I'm above your turf. | ||
| What a dick! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What a fucking dick! | ||
| He's pretty bad. | ||
| I don't want to be friends with the one-up-the-story guy, where it's like, hey, I had this really fun thing happen to me. | ||
| You think that's cool? | ||
| Guess what my story is? | ||
| Fuck off! | ||
| It's not even one-up the story. | ||
| It's one-up the life. | ||
| It's one-up the identity. | ||
| It's everything. | ||
| It's just a gross demonstration. | ||
| I'm you, but better. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So at this point in the episode, we get into the first instance of Alex talking about childhood memories. | ||
| And there are a number of them that some of them are pretty close to things that we've heard before. | ||
| And those things are fleshed out a little bit more because he's wasted. | ||
| And then some of them are completely new developments that lead me to one of my new conclusions, and that is that Alex Jones' dad, David Jones, might be a complete lunatic. | ||
| That sounds right, though. | ||
| We've touched on him in the sense that he was clearly into the John Birch Society, and he had some weird influences that passed down to Alex. | ||
| But some of these stories that Alex tells are... | ||
| It's hard to say what the line is between Alex's dad is possibly crazy or Alex completely misremembers things from his youth and is allowing his dad to be cast as a lunatic in these backstories. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Do we get to remove the probably from technically probably kill a guy? | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| That'll be at the end of this episode. | ||
| Okay, alright. | ||
| But there is some developments on that front. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| In this first one, Alex was seven years old, and he heard his dad talking about his dentistry practice, but there was more there than meets the tooth. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| Let me try to be clear, Joe. | ||
| I'm having a good time with you. | ||
| I just want you to know this. | ||
| Let me try to be clear. | ||
| I can't say all of this on air. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Why? | ||
| And I'm going to leave it at that. | ||
| For obvious reasons. | ||
| I'm on record 20 years ago, before anybody else was talking about the clockwork elves, and now the globalists think they're in touch with these entities and things. | ||
| Only because, and I don't want to get, I'm not the CIA. | ||
| The CIA is bigger than Coca-Cola. | ||
| It's like bigger than Walmart. | ||
| I've never been in an intelligence agency. | ||
| I've never been a part of any of this stuff. | ||
| But I had family that was in advanced DARPA research projects. | ||
| No, you didn't. | ||
| That I don't know all the details about. | ||
| Because they were. | ||
| And when I was a kid, my dad told me about some of it, not knowing I'd be a talk show host later. | ||
| But like when the deputy director of the CIA had a tooth pulled, he came to my dad. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So my dad was like the doctor to, you know, these guys. | ||
| I remember sitting around the kitchen table, and I'm like seven. | ||
| He's like, Carol, I can't tell you all about it, but it's a classified program in Maryland, in an underground base. | ||
| And they won't give me all the details, but it's double the money I'm making now. | ||
| It's financial security. | ||
| But I think it's basically... | ||
| We're building cyborgs, and we've got special forces that have volunteered so we can infiltrate the Russians and get codes and systems in. | ||
| I believe it's implanting. | ||
| Messages in their teeth. | ||
| I also think it's a brain surgery program for microchips. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And so I'm hearing, and my hero's like, David, I'm sick of these people. | ||
| And you've already done so much for this government. | ||
| And look what they've already done to you. | ||
| She said, I'm sick of you, David. | ||
| I want you out of this. | ||
| So this is like seven, eight years old, and you're hearing about the cyborgs. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So that's the kind of stuff that I grew up seeing. | ||
| So a couple things that I find really important in there. | ||
| One is that he calls his parents by their first name as opposed to highlighting their relation to each other, which is weird. | ||
| And then second, I don't understand why his dad would be like, I can't talk about this national security project, but I bet it involves cyborgs. | ||
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It's like, that's what you're not supposed to talk about! | |
| Why are you starting the sentence with, I can't talk about this, but here it is. | ||
| That's how Alex talks. | ||
| That's how Alex reveals information. | ||
| He prefaces things with, like, I can't get into this, I'm not supposed to talk about this, but here it goes. | ||
| So, I hear this, I think of this more as an expression of Alex Jones' fantasies from his childhood than actually a memory of his dad explaining... | ||
| To Carol what was going on with these tooth cyborgs. | ||
| Either that or DDS David was fucking with Alex from a very young age. | ||
| I think that if Alex... | ||
| What if he's just been fucking with Alex this whole time? | ||
| I think that's terrible abuse. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| He's brought a horrible entity into the world. | ||
| But I think that even if he wasn't fucking with him, there's clear indications that he's allowed Alex to believe these things for years without correcting him. | ||
| Or maybe he has, and Alex just doesn't give a shit. | ||
| Maybe he's like, Alex, you know I wasn't working on fucking cyborgs when you were a kid. | ||
| That's ridiculous. | ||
| And Alex is just like, I just hear you confessing, quite frankly. | ||
| I hear a whitewashed story that you're giving me, and this is proof that you made Tooth Cyborgs. | ||
| Is there... | ||
| Do you think the CIA has a rule about... | ||
| Tooth cyborgs? | ||
| Well, the rule is, let's go for it. | ||
| But, I mean, like, going under in that kind of thing, like getting any kind of laughing gas or that kind of thing? | ||
| I'm positive that there's some sort of, like, NDA. | ||
| Yeah, there has to be. | ||
| Yeah, because of, like, if you're unconscious or in twilight or whatever, you could say something that you shouldn't. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| That sort of thing. | ||
| Or you could... | ||
| Start fucking with DDS David, which is the new way that I'm going to say it. | ||
| He's just like, hey man, we have cyborg teeth! | ||
| Can I get that pulled? | ||
| I could definitely see a situation where if you had to go under anesthesia or something like that for a treatment, they would only allow a dentist or doctor who had been vetted. | ||
| And had an NDA in place or something like that. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I could see that being one of their security protocols, or I could see it being a thing where you can only get local anesthetic or topical anesthetic. | ||
| See, that's kind of what I was thinking. | ||
| Where it's like, even if you're getting a root canal, you can only get the Novocain. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Because the risk of you divulging something is too high. | ||
|
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Or... | |
| A third possibility would be... | ||
| There really are cyborg tooth. | ||
| Well, that's a fourth possibility, which I discount entirely. | ||
| But the third possibility I could see would be, like, you can go in, but you're always being monitored. | ||
| Like, someone is there. | ||
| Okay, yeah. | ||
| Like, you have an attache who's monitoring you while you're under in order to make sure you don't say anything. | ||
| I like to imagine that attache has a briefcase handcuffed to his hand. | ||
| Could be. | ||
| That'd be fun. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, I don't know. | ||
| Whatever the case is, I don't believe Alex is bullshit. | ||
| His stories of his seven-year-old memories and stuff. | ||
| But this next clip gives us an indication that Alex Jones' dad is not on the up-and-up. | ||
| Or at least Alex's version of him isn't. | ||
| Because Alex showed him endgame when he was making it. | ||
| Alex showed his dad endgame. | ||
| And his dad had a strange response to that. | ||
| Go fuck yourself. | ||
| No, that would not be a strange response. | ||
| His mom seems to think that this is all bullshit, which is a normal response. | ||
| His dad, quite different. | ||
| My dad never told me about all this stuff when I was older until it was like 12 years ago and I was finishing Endgame Blueprint for Global Enslavement. | ||
| It's free, still online. | ||
| And it's all about the world government and how the cell phone's watching you and everything's proven in it. | ||
| It didn't come true, it was already true. | ||
| And the plan for one world government and don't have kids and all that. | ||
| And attack on the family. | ||
| And we were going to go to a ballet recital for like my, you know, three-year-old daughter. | ||
| She's like 14 now or whatever. | ||
| And they sit down for like an hour and watch the end of the film. | ||
| It's a three-hour film. | ||
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And my mom goes, David, that's not true. | |
| He goes, yes, it's all true. | ||
| When I was a junior in high school, they recruited me into the program there, and they brought us in. | ||
| They said the Nazis were wrong because they were only targeting certain groups. | ||
| We're going to target everybody, and it's a planetary breakaway in world government. | ||
| Yeah, that's why the Nazis were wrong. | ||
| There's a nuclear reactor under UT and all this other stuff, which later I went to research. | ||
| It's actually true. | ||
| It's not even hidden. | ||
| But the point is, it's not that my dad was even that special. | ||
| My dad was like, scored like the sixth smartest in Texas. | ||
| This is stuff we've talked about before. | ||
| It's just this ludicrous idea of how these globalists work. | ||
| Like, the idea that these kids got really high test scores, so they tried to recruit them by telling them that the Nazis were bad because they didn't harm enough people, and we're going to fix that by targeting everybody. | ||
| And they reveal all of this plan, like a James Bond villain, before these kids have even signed on with the plan or not. | ||
| And then don't kill the kids when they reject the offer. | ||
| Or whatever. | ||
| It's a completely ludicrous, childish idea of how some sort of shadowy operation would work. | ||
| He's talking about Ender's Game. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
|
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That's what it is. | |
| Yeah, probably. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
|
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I've never read it, but I assume that you have and you're making a great reference. | |
| It's... | ||
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laughter Thank you for giving me the better of the doubt, Dan! | |
| I trust you. | ||
| But, yeah, this is a child's understanding of something, and the way a child hero worships their dad, by trying to make them into... | ||
| I don't even believe that statewide testing exists to decide who the smartest kid in Texas is. | ||
| I'm starting to believe David isn't even his fucking dad! | ||
| He is. | ||
| I found this out. | ||
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Oh, yeah? | |
| I figured that out. | ||
| But, I mean, look. | ||
| You did some DMT and figured it out? | ||
| Talked to aliens. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| They made me sign a contract proving that Alex Jones' dad's named David. | ||
| What's that contract written in? | ||
| Blood. | ||
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Oh, man. | |
| We later find out the aliens love blood. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| How about chocolate? | ||
| He doesn't bring it up. | ||
| That must just be Raptors. | ||
| He does say that there's tons of different races of aliens. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Are you angling for Carrie? | ||
| Pleiadians? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Are you trying to get on Project LA? | ||
| I know who's a Pleiadian. | ||
| Carrie is. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| So, at this next point, Alex brings up abortion. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| They have a little conversation about how there are people who are trying to keep babies alive to sell their organs post-birth. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Why not? | ||
| And that's what Governor Northam in Virginia was talking about when he did an interview. | ||
| In blackface. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| But we do find out why that happened. | ||
| Racism. | ||
| The blackface thing. | ||
| No, it wasn't about that. | ||
| I really think it was. | ||
| It might have initially been, but the reason that the story came forward is because... | ||
| We'll get to it. | ||
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Okay. | |
| He was being blackmailed. | ||
| He was being blackfaced, actually, is what we call it now. | ||
| We'll get blackmail face. | ||
| We'll get to that in a second, but in this next clip, Alex talks about how abortion is really just about stealing babies' organs. | ||
| And I have some thoughts on the other side. | ||
| That's why a lot of nurses have noticed now that babies disappear at birth. | ||
| They tell them, oh, your baby died. | ||
| That's why the governor said, who's actually an Orvin-Hargerstein doctor, he goes, we keep the babies alive after they're born and have a discussion. | ||
| They are getting caught now because we've decompartmentalized. | ||
| Wait a minute. | ||
| I'm confused at what you're saying. | ||
| Let's see how it just never ends. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What are you saying about babies? | ||
| Like, what are they doing with babies? | ||
| You saw the governor of Virginia say, we keep babies alive after they're born and kill them, right? | ||
| Well, I didn't see that. | ||
| We keep them comfortable. | ||
| But I am very, very concerned with late-term abortions. | ||
| This is post-birth, Joe. | ||
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Stop it, guys. | |
| How much money do you think they get for a seven-and-a-half-pound baby they can keep alive for two weeks? | ||
| And mama doesn't know. | ||
| So if they can register the organs and get bitters... | ||
| Then they can make $500,000. | ||
| They kill on the spot, only gets $50,000. | ||
| So you have $50,000 for a fetus, but you have $500,000 for a two-week-old baby with the organs. | ||
| Now, here's what I want to say. | ||
| His whole argument about chimeras is that they're trying to create organ-harvesting-type things with chimeras. | ||
| So if abortion is what they're doing that for, it kind of defeats the purpose of chimeras. | ||
| These are kind of the same thing. | ||
| I don't understand why you need both. | ||
| Well, I mean, chimeras are just a better renewable resource. | ||
| You see how the birth rates are going down, of course. | ||
| If we're not having enough kids to abort... | ||
| After they were born. | ||
| I know Jim Cramer from Mad Money, his big message was always diversify your portfolio. | ||
| Diversify, that's true. | ||
| So that makes sense. | ||
| I guess my complaint goes out the window. | ||
| Well, it's like the UAE, man. | ||
| They control a lot more oil, so we're trying to find our own sources of energy. | ||
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True. | |
| Women control all the babies. | ||
| We can't be having that. | ||
| We've got to make sure that they're fucking subjugated. | ||
| So that's why we're creating spider goats. | ||
| It makes perfect sense. | ||
| Makes sense. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So his whole entire argument hinges around... | ||
| The idea that the governor of Virginia was on a radio show and he was asked about a measure that was being discussed that would put no limit really on when abortion could be done. | ||
| Yeah, which is a good thing. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Between the appropriate care of a physician and a woman, there should not be a limit. | ||
| But it is important that the appropriate care piece is there. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| You need to have doctors who know what they're doing and are acting responsibly. | ||
| Well, they're being killed by anti-abortion activists. | ||
| Unfortunately. | ||
| But I don't like two 40-something-year-old men talking about abortion. | ||
| Period. | ||
| No. | ||
| Like, I don't like it. | ||
| I kind of don't even like when we talk about it other than to be like, hey, go for it if you want it. | ||
| But I think that when we are talking about it, we have to because Alex and Joe have forced our hand in terms of we're covering this. | ||
| If we didn't, it would be a glaring omission because of something that happens later that is completely fucked up. | ||
| But the important thing to consider is that Ralph Northam, when he was on this radio show, he did say something to the effect of, if the woman goes into labor, you can keep the baby comfortable and resuscitated if that's what the parent wants. | ||
| He wasn't precise enough in his language, and he was speaking really poorly, but what he was talking about is an unviable child that is stillborn. | ||
| By labor. | ||
| And it being born. | ||
| An unviable child or a child with a birth defect. | ||
| There are examples you can find all over the place. | ||
| Like a child that's born with half a brain or something like that. | ||
| And it just will not survive. | ||
| That sort of thing. | ||
| It's not talking about post-birth abortions. | ||
| It's not talking about euthanasia or anything like that. | ||
| It's talking about a very, very rare situation wherein a baby is born... | ||
| Completely unviable. | ||
| And if the parent does want to resuscitate it and try to keep it alive, then why would they not do that? | ||
| In the meantime, keeping the baby comfortable to the greatest extent you can isn't necessarily some sort of a weird nefarious thing. | ||
| They're making... | ||
| A completely bad argument out of intentionally misunderstanding what the guy said. | ||
| And I got no skin in the game in defending him. | ||
| He's a piece of shit. | ||
| Yeah, I just don't like... | ||
| How could you not have empathy for that kind of situation where the baby is alive? | ||
| You'd almost rather it was stillborn. | ||
| Because if the baby's alive and they're trying to keep it alive, you're going to watch something slowly die. | ||
| That's brutal. | ||
| There's a story you can read. | ||
| I can't remember exactly where it was, but there's a lady who had come out and she did not have a late-term abortion because it was very difficult for her to get one in the state that she was in. | ||
| And she had this child and she... | ||
| And it's still in utero that that was going to be the case. | ||
| But she couldn't travel across state lines to get the abortion that she needed. | ||
| God, that is fucking brutal. | ||
| So there's situations like that, and that's exactly the sort of situation that this governor was talking about. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that Alex is misrepresenting to feed his anti-abortion propaganda position. | ||
| How can your stated position be, I want to watch a parent be tortured, and then have them watch their kid die? | ||
| Because he doesn't care? | ||
| That's fucking awful! | ||
| How can you not even have the slightest bit of empathy for that? | ||
| Well, because, I mean, if you want to talk about it in the crassest sense possible... | ||
| It's because everybody on the right really understands that maintaining this abortion position is essential to them ever winning an election. | ||
| Because without the evangelical vote, and that's a big part of how they hinge the evangelicals, without that block and the anti-abortion block that's within the right-wing coalition... | ||
| They're fucked. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| They lose that. | ||
| The single-issue voters, in terms of abortion, are what keeps the right-wing and the GOP alive. | ||
| And so you have to. | ||
| And it's just like with guns, the idea of if you give even an inch, it's going to be whittled away. | ||
| Guns and abortions are two of the biggest things that allow... | ||
| The GOP and the conservative party to exist. | ||
| To build their fucking party into giving all of their money away to the rich. | ||
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Right. | |
| Smart. | ||
| And to ignore all of the things that go along with the program that don't fit with, let's say, the evangelicals' belief system. | ||
| God, I hate that. | ||
| That sort of thing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, anyway, Alex is wrong about this, and he makes a meal out of talking about it, and it's gross. | ||
| And then he plays the video. | ||
| He has them play the video. | ||
| Jamie pulls it up, and yeah... | ||
| Governor Northam does say, you keep the baby comfortable, and he does have a bit of a southern accent, so Alex gets to be like, didn't I do a good impression? | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| I thought he was doing Bernie. | ||
| Because they have that answer that the governor gives, and it's out of context. | ||
| And they don't have explanatory context or anything like that. | ||
| There's no time for that on the show. | ||
| Alex gets to present this as another win. | ||
| I told you the governor said they keep babies alive. | ||
| Therefore, my conjecture that they keep them alive for two weeks to harvest their organs is also true. | ||
| And Joe doesn't have a foot to stand on because he got his mind blown by this clip of Governor Northam. | ||
| Really? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| God damn it. | ||
| That's how this works. | ||
| How can that happen? | ||
| Literally, all I can think of, well, if you're playing a clip, my next thought is like, tell me how this makes sense. | ||
| Because this is stupid. | ||
| Well, but that's because Joe is relying on Alex to be me in that situation. | ||
| That's fucking stupid! | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because he's sitting next to a duplicitous liar. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| I know. | ||
| I hate him! | ||
| So Alex needs a little bit more support for his argument other than this completely misrepresented clip of the governor. | ||
| And so what do you know? | ||
| Here's what he pulls from. | ||
| You saw all the Planned Parenthood videos out of Texas and California two years ago that Project Veritas and others got where they're saying, I'm getting a yellow Ferrari. | ||
| Man, I'm making hundreds of thousands off each baby week with partial birth. | ||
| They keep the baby alive. | ||
| They take it in the back. | ||
| And then they have a van pull-up that takes it to a Chinese government-run facility in the U.S., and they got the sucker. | ||
| Okay, prove that. | ||
| What kind of van? | ||
| Is it like a stealth cleaning van? | ||
| Prove that. | ||
| Saw it. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Proved. | ||
| What he's talking about isn't the Project Veritas videos. | ||
| It might as well be. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Those weren't the ones he's specifically talking about, although they did also do manipulative. | ||
| Edited videos about Planned Parenthood. | ||
| This is the Center for Medical Progress videos that came out in 2015 that were a complete hoax, completely manipulatively edited, that got these guys in a bit of hot water about it legally for videotaping these people without consent and for misrepresenting what the full tapes showed. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Which is what happens. | ||
| So Alex complains that people edit and chop his stuff to make him sound different. | ||
| True. | ||
| And Alex will then use that as evidence that he's right about everything. | ||
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Exactly. | |
| Fucking stupid. | ||
| We'll get back to this topic of Alex's feelings about abortion a little bit later, because he has a bit of a blow-up, and starts screaming in a probably fake way, but also seems kind of real. | ||
| His face looks terrifyingly angry. | ||
| Well, he's drunk, so there's a part of you where... | ||
| He has about four Tito's in. | ||
| Yeah, if you're fake angry when drunk, that'll turn into real angry. | ||
| It's easy to skip over that line without realizing it. | ||
| But before we get there, we have to hear a deeply... | ||
| Troubling revelation from Alex's life. | ||
| I remember when I was growing up in Rockwell, Texas, I ran into a satanic cult. | ||
| I was like, God, this girl's a senior in high school. | ||
| She's super hot. | ||
| I'm in ninth grade, and she's picking me up in her Mercedes, and I'm taking me to some mansion. | ||
| And the sex with her is incredible. | ||
| And I'm walking out of the house, because I look like I was about 16 when I was 13, and the dad goes, you like screwing my daughter? | ||
| Yeah, I screw her too. | ||
| And just as soon as you join us, you love Lucifer, you get all the what the hell you want, boy, because we want you. | ||
| What? | ||
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Really? | |
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| No! | ||
| Yeah, I have an incredible life. | ||
| That is not an incredible life. | ||
| That is a deeply fucked up story! | ||
| There are so many levels to that that are deeply fucked up. | ||
| If you take even having sex with this older woman when you're 13... | ||
| Problematic! | ||
| Well, even if you take that out of the equation, being in that household... | ||
| Experiencing something like that. | ||
| Like, let's say he's just friends with this girl and he's over and the dad's like, I fuck my daughter. | ||
| You want to join our satanic cult? | ||
| That would be deeply traumatizing. | ||
| The idea that you now incorporate that he's saying the sex with her was awesome. | ||
| That implies that they had sex multiple times. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| At least. | ||
| So he's saying, oh, God. | ||
| You are not capable of processing sexual intercourse and the intimacy that comes along with it when you're 13. And a 17-year-old girl having sex with a 13-year-old boy is abuse. | ||
| That is profoundly fucked up. | ||
| I don't care if Alex looked like he was 16 at the time or anything like that. | ||
| That is not good. | ||
| That is very bad. | ||
| No, when I was 15, I was dating somebody older than me. | ||
| She was 17. She was a senior at the time. | ||
| And it was very much like, we didn't sleep together because that was a whole mess. | ||
| That was one of those things where both of us were like, we're in high school, let's just be cool. | ||
| But I think that's good. | ||
| I also want to say... | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| I didn't mean to cut you off. | ||
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No, that's fine. | |
| I wanted to say some of the ideas that Alex is expressing there I don't think are real. | ||
| Like, I don't think that he tried to get inducted into a satanic cult. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think that's probably just his weird fantasizing memory. | ||
| That's probably a function of him being... | ||
| Completely fucked up. | ||
| I mean, can you imagine going anywhere and having somebody's father who you're sleeping with say, I sleep with her too, that doesn't end in like, that's a joke, right? | ||
| No. | ||
| Okay, cool. | ||
| I'm going to run as far and as fast as I can. | ||
| I don't care if there's a Mercedes involved. | ||
| I'm going to light that on fire. | ||
| I'm my way out of here. | ||
| Alex then gets into the idea that satanic cults tried to get him involved. | ||
| He said that he was a hardcore satanist on a past episode when he was younger. | ||
| So that implies that he did go along with it. | ||
| Because this is him trying to get recruited into a satanic group. | ||
| He said he was in a satanic group. | ||
| It follows that he was in. | ||
| Now, a little bit later, he says that in order to get into satanic groups, you have to kill your dog. | ||
| What? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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No! | |
| He does say that. | ||
| Oh my god, we're right! | ||
| Where's Nung? | ||
| He killed Nung! | ||
| It's implied... | ||
| Well, I mean, he's presenting it as like, I wouldn't ever do that. | ||
| I never did this. | ||
| But we do have evidence that he's killed dogs before. | ||
| Not necessarily his dog. | ||
| Maybe it was just a dog with rabies that he had to stomp into the ground or whatever. | ||
| Which was deeply fucked up as well. | ||
| But if you take the pieces, like the little parts, they do seem to add up to he killed Nonc in order to get into a satanic cult. | ||
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Jesus Christ! | |
| That is a possible timeline that happened in Alex's life. | ||
| This is not good. | ||
| No. | ||
| This is not good. | ||
| I have to clarify that I don't believe most of this. | ||
| Cruelty to animals is one of the signature signs of a serial killer. | ||
| I believe he was cruel to animals, but I don't believe the window dressing of this story. | ||
| The satanic cult, the dad who's fucking his daughter, Alex. | ||
| I believe maybe he had inappropriate sexual relations as a younger man. | ||
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I do buy that. | |
| I think that part is maybe possible. | ||
| I buy that one hard. | ||
| And I believe that he's still suffering from some of the trauma involved in that and not processing it in any real way. | ||
| Definitely not in a healthy way. | ||
| No. | ||
| So, presented without comment, here is something that Alex says that... | ||
| It's really one of the reasons why Joe should think twice about having him on his show. | ||
| And also, if you're going to let him be on the show, push back on things like this. | ||
| Because Joe doesn't. | ||
| And this is so fucked up. | ||
| You have to know the darker elements of the criminal networks that are inside our government are actually running Mexico as a laboratory test. | ||
| Because they know Native Americans are gung-ho, and they're tough, and they're ready to fight. | ||
| I'm part Native American, only like 6%, Comanche, and Texas, and just that little bit makes me wild. | ||
| And so they can get them, because they're powerful, they're smart, they're neat, they're cool, but genetically, they go into groupthink really, really fast. | ||
| And so Native Americans, you can mind control really fast. | ||
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Why is that? | |
| Well, it's like Vietnam. | ||
| I mean, you know the Bering Land Strait, and basically they test the genetics of Mesoamericans. | ||
| It's basically Chinese. | ||
| What? | ||
| Hun, because there was always some whites and Vikings even 10,000 years ago going into the area. | ||
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Hold up. | |
| Like, in fights, like in Korea, fighting the Chinese, that's who we're really fighting there, or Vietnam. | ||
| Do you think, I mean, they're like, they're conscious and real people, but when they get into a fight, they all sync up and are robots and have no fear. | ||
| I mean, you're talking about psychotic killers, you're fighting. | ||
| And so, Asians are about the most fearless killers there are. | ||
| Like the Mongols? | ||
| Any of them. | ||
| I mean, once Asians go to war, it's like, they do nothing. | ||
| In fact, they're not even crazed going wild in a battle. | ||
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What? | |
| They're like robots coming to kill you. | ||
| And so... | ||
| And what do you think that's from? | ||
| Do you think that's from their heritage of war? | ||
| That they have a long... | ||
| Like, if you think about Japan, Japan has a long history of being a noble warrior culture with the samurais and all the martial arts that have come from there. | ||
| But you say, is it from the nobility? | ||
| It's the genetics. | ||
| It's the genetics. | ||
| Ah, no, no, no! | ||
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Ooh. | |
| No! | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| I said presented without comment because I refuse to even engage with that. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| That's just demonstrative of how Alex thinks. | ||
| That is deeply fucked up. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| That is a crazy thing to say. | ||
| Okay, this is something I want to ask because I do feel like it's important. | ||
| Joe is coming off like the shittiest piece of shit that could be. | ||
| In your clips. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So I just want to confirm that this is the tenor of the interview and not like... | ||
| Because we're cutting clips about Alex, so naturally that kind of follows that Joe wouldn't have his highlight reel involved, you know? | ||
| I don't want to answer that question until we get a little bit further. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Because, like I said, there's a rogue variable that changes everything. | ||
| But I will say that... | ||
| Is Eddie Bravo coming? | ||
| I don't want to say. | ||
| Look, here's the thing. | ||
| Here's the thing. | ||
| I think that Joe got a sense, and I don't think that he fully understood that Alex was lying to him about the Sandy Hook stuff, even still. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But I think that he probably got a sense within the first 20 minutes or so of, like, this is going to be fucked up. | ||
| Because Alex comes in with a head of steam, and he's just ranting while Joe tries to respond to things. | ||
| It's like, hold on, slow down, slow down. | ||
| And Alex isn't slowing down. | ||
| So I think he kind of realizes, like, this isn't going to be whatever I want it to be. | ||
| So let's just lean into it. | ||
| And so, instead of being like, Alex, what are you saying Native Americans are easy to mind control? | ||
| What the fuck are you talking about? | ||
| Prove your premise. | ||
| Or anything like that. | ||
| He's just like, well, do you think that there's a cultural explanation for why Asian military tradition goes the way that it does in China? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And stuff like that. | ||
| And Alex says, no, it's genetics. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think he's checked out a little bit because he realizes he's playing handball with the curtains. | ||
| He's not going to be able to play an actual game or have a real conversation. | ||
| Alex is going to get the points he wants across, and then as soon as Joe responds to something, Alex will take the conversation in a new direction that he can control. | ||
| To a certain extent, it is still a show, so he can either have a show... | ||
| Or he can have a fight. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And then it's over after an hour. | ||
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Right. | |
| It's Gallagher's episode of marriage. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And I think that... | ||
| Which is kind of cowardly to... | ||
| Eh, whatever. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| But I think that... | ||
| I'm not going to legislate. | ||
| Or I'm not going to litigate that. | ||
| I think that what's going on, too, is that, like... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's just sort of like a don't rock the boat kind of thing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And a recognition of, like... | ||
| What are we going to do? | ||
| What's the game that we're going to play? | ||
| But to answer your question more specifically, you're saying that Joe's coming off like a pile of shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think that there's an argument you could make that that's a fair assessment. | ||
| But I also think that there's an argument you could make of him being a showman in this situation, trying to moderate whatever is being said as best he can, and then just doing a terrible job of it. | ||
| So I don't think it's his intention to be a piece of shit, but I also think he doesn't recognize some of the things Alex is saying. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think he gets caught up in trying to make sense of Alex's words and his rhetoric, and he misses point A because Alex is already on to point D. Right, right, right, right. | ||
| So there's some of that. | ||
| It's one of the intrinsic problems of why you should never have Alex on your show. | ||
| He's going to say things that you're just incapable of responding to. | ||
| And then it's broadcast, unchallenged, unquestioned, on your show to 120,000 people live and more people after the fact. | ||
| Yeah, we have a clear track record of either... | ||
| You don't challenge him and he says a ton of bullshit and you gave him a platform to do it. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Or you do challenge him and he gets in a fight with you and then he gets even more publicity. | ||
| Or he gets really weird like that Patrick Bat-David interview. | ||
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Yeah, exactly. | |
| Where he turns it super esoteric. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that shit. | ||
| You're not going to... | ||
| There's no... | ||
| It's like fucking the only way to win is not to play. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Like that's the situation there. | ||
| It's war games. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| So he's talking about these genetic mind-controlability levels of various races, which isn't good. | ||
| I mean, that's the type of racism that you're like, this is bad racism, but also, I mean, nobody else is throwing that racism around. | ||
| I think some people are. | ||
| That Native Americans are easy to mind control? | ||
| Maybe not that specific point. | ||
| That one's real specific. | ||
| It's pretty specific, but I think it's sort of an offshoot of a lot of... | ||
| The sort of race realism, the sort of scientific racism that exists in the right wing today. | ||
| Stefan Molyneux and that fucker. | ||
| Yeah, those sorts. | ||
| I think there is some of that that's there. | ||
| Hoping it's hit by a truck. | ||
| Which is why this naturally transitions into a talk about intelligence. | ||
| And Alex does his standard shit about how the Japanese and the whites are the most intelligent. | ||
| But that's not to say blacks are dumb. | ||
| God. | ||
| I don't care about that. | ||
| We don't need to listen to that again. | ||
| But it leads to this, which I think is preposterous. | ||
| So there's not just one type of intelligence. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, for sure. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, there's tests that you can run in terms of mathematics, but there's no real test you can run in terms of social intelligence. | ||
| The real test is psychic connectivity. | ||
| They've proven the DNA is a transceiver. | ||
| And so my skill is, that's why I'm usually kind of like almost autistic, is I'm just being... | ||
| Constantly. | ||
| Like, everything's going on. | ||
| But then if I actually focus in, I can, like, figure out the exact enemy operation. | ||
| That's why they're really pissed. | ||
| That's not why people are pissed. | ||
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No. | |
| I don't think anyone would give a shit. | ||
| Psychic connectivity skills are so strong. | ||
| Is he trying to talk about morphic knowledge and all of that shit? | ||
| God, that's so stupid. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, in this next clip, Alex complains about people making accusations about him that lead to real-world consequences. | ||
| And I find that deeply, deeply ironic. | ||
| They have Stephen Colbert get up on air and say that I'm a KKK member and make jokes. | ||
| And you know what? | ||
| People shouted at me on the street. | ||
| Well, that's unfortunate. | ||
| Oh, you poor thing. | ||
| No, no. | ||
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Oh, Stephen Colbert said you're a KKK guy and then people yelled at you. | |
| Stephen Colbert is mean to me. | ||
| You said that people whose families died are actors and they got harassed and got death threats. | ||
| I don't give a fuck if someone yelled at you because someone made a joke about you in a late night show. | ||
| I mean, sure. | ||
| I don't like any kind of harassment falling on people. | ||
| I wouldn't support that. | ||
| I'm sure that Stephen Colbert didn't say that Alex was a Klan member. | ||
| I'm sure there was a joke that he was making that compared the two or something like that. | ||
| Yeah, he didn't just start, hey, welcome back to the late show. | ||
| Alex Jones is a Klan member, and now we're going to start the show. | ||
| Or I'm sure that Stephen Colbert didn't get on air and be like, listen, guys, I didn't believe that Alex was a Klan member, but now I have new information that I have found, and hey, I take no pleasure in reporting this to you. | ||
| Alex Jones is a Klan member. | ||
| And now, let's have an interview with, I don't fucking know, Bradley Cooper. | ||
| Fuck it. | ||
| Yeah, that's not the way it went. | ||
| Bradley, how do you feel about the clan? | ||
| I've been a member since 19... | ||
| Wait, wait, wait, wait, what? | ||
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What? | |
| Hold up, what? | ||
| That's what Alex did to the Sandy Hook family members. | ||
| And so any kind of attempt for him to be like, I'm a victim of this negative attention because people malign me. | ||
| It's like, take a number, asshole. | ||
| You are way more guilty of that than anybody else. | ||
| So I'm going to revoke that victim card from you. | ||
| Yeah, I kind of don't give a fuck, Alex. | ||
| You can go fuck yourself. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, in this next clip, Alex talks about how he knows a guy in the UFC who he won't name. | ||
| He will not name this guy. | ||
| He's about to name that guy. | ||
| He's not. | ||
| He's going to say his name. | ||
| He won't name this guy. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| He's going to say his name. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| I know he's going to say his name. | ||
| Oh, he doesn't actually say his name? | ||
| No, because it's all made up. | ||
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Okay. | |
| He will not name this guy. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But he was going to get a TV show, right? | ||
| But then things turned bad because the network had a strange demand. | ||
| Here's an example. | ||
| There's a very well-known UFC fighter that you know. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Who has shows on Discovery and History Channel. | ||
| I'm not going to say his name. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And I got a call about a month ago, and they're like, wow, this is incredible. | ||
| Don't say my name, but you can talk about it. | ||
| They were going to offer me this new big lucrative show, but they said, you're going to come out and denounce Alex Jones on the show, or we're not going to give you the show, and he said no. | ||
| So, hell yeah, man. | ||
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Huh. | |
| You're going to denounce him on the show. | ||
| Why would they need that from you? | ||
| From him. | ||
| Yeah, but why would they need that from him? | ||
| Why would they need him to denounce you on the show? | ||
| I'm not that important. | ||
| But that gives you even more attention. | ||
| Well, let me explain. | ||
| That's their... | ||
| Okay, well, then why did everybody else censor? | ||
| Why did Hitler censor? | ||
| Why did the Russians censor? | ||
| Like, you think, most of the time censorship actually works. | ||
| Yeah, but that's a weird one, man. | ||
| Someone's saying they're not going to give you a gig unless you specifically denounce Alex Jones. | ||
| It happens. | ||
| What kind of show is it? | ||
| Is it a cooking show? | ||
| No. | ||
| Joe, let me break this down for you. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I swear on my kids I've told you the truth about that. | ||
| I believe you. | ||
| I believe you. | ||
| But I'm saying it just seems so crazy that they would ask him to denounce you on a television show. | ||
| I'm not saying it's impossible. | ||
| That's what everybody who's not independent is told because they're beholding other people. | ||
| You're a rarity. | ||
| I don't like this. | ||
| I don't like the fact that this is Joe's best pushback moment. | ||
| This is the moment where Joe's like, hey dude, I am actually in show business. | ||
| And in UFC. | ||
| I've done all of that. | ||
| I've been given shows. | ||
| That's not how it goes. | ||
| Yeah, it's absurd for you to be suggesting this. | ||
| It's an embarrassing narrative for you to be putting forth about your own oppression and how everybody has to denounce you or else they can't work. | ||
| It's the mark of the beast is saying that Alex Jones is awful. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That sort of thing. | ||
| Yeah, I think that he just got too close to where Joe lives. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Because it's show business and it's UFC related. | ||
| He's trying to appeal to Joe and be like, there are people near you. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. | ||
| It could be you next. | ||
| When in reality, on Alex's show, he said that Joe has been threatened to denounce him and stuff like that, and that's why he was behaving that way. | ||
| At the end there, when he's like, you're a rarity, you're one of the few... | ||
| Is he just talking about Joe? | ||
| No, he's pandering to Joe. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| At the end there, when he's like, you're one of the only people who's independent and does their own thing, that's... | ||
| He's reneging on all of the things that he's said about Joe in the last month or so. | ||
| He's said that he's a complete shill, all this stuff. | ||
| He pretends he's independent, but he takes money from Jack Dorsey. | ||
| Also, I don't like Joe recognizing exactly what's going on in both that story and not recognizing that the same thing is going on on his show, where he's like, wait, if that guy denounces you, that only gives you more attention. | ||
| And you're like, dude! | ||
| You get it, but you're having him on his show! | ||
| Yeah, but I think Joe understands that he's giving Alex more attention, but I think he thinks that he's much more harmless than he is because he doesn't recognize those things that Alex says that are completely not based in reality that are super dangerous and racist. | ||
| Things like Native Americans are easy to mind control. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Shit like that. | ||
| He doesn't recognize that as being as toxic and cancerous from a rhetoric standpoint. | ||
| And so he's just like, ah, whatever. | ||
| He's obsessed with being the guy who, I'll talk to whoever, like he had Tyson on the other day. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Like, not the other day, but a little bit back. | ||
| Tyson? | ||
| Mike fucking Tyson on his show. | ||
| Oh, I thought you were talking about former Chicago comedian, Tyson Karish. | ||
| He did not make an appearance. | ||
| He has really gone up in the world. | ||
| Yeah, to the stars. | ||
| Doesn't he live in Australia now or something? | ||
| I don't know why we need to put his business out there. | ||
| So, yeah, I mean, Joe's obsessed with that image, being the guy, you know, like, I don't care, right wing, left wing, crazy. | ||
| It's important. | ||
| I'm not an interviewer. | ||
| I'm having a conversation with people who are interesting. | ||
| First Alex came for the Native Americans and I said nothing. | ||
| Then he went for the Asians and I said nothing. | ||
| But he came at me about UFC and I'm going to shut that shit down. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I'm going to push back pretty hard. | ||
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Hell yeah. | |
| So the two of them had a bit of a fight. | ||
| And I think it's an open question how much of that was a stunt on Alex's part. | ||
| Right. | ||
| The intensity with which he followed through with it, and like I said, the level of things he was doing, like putting Joe's family's business in the streets and stuff like that, betraying confidences and stuff like that, that's a bad publicity stunt if that's what Alex was intending to do. | ||
| If he was trying to bait him into a war or something like that, that makes sense. | ||
| But the end result of that wouldn't be to get on his show. | ||
| It would be to get Joe to talk about him on the show and create You know, some sort of a... | ||
| A rat beef. | ||
| Echo machine. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But whatever the case is, Alex explains in this next clip what he felt the breaking point with Joe was when he realized this guy is too far gone. | ||
| I gotta take him on. | ||
| Where that was going on. | ||
| So when I saw you as my breaking point... | ||
| Go. | ||
| Hey, Alex Jones is full of crap. | ||
| George Soros was a victim of the Nazis in the Holocaust. | ||
| That's not what I said. | ||
| I didn't say you were full of crap. | ||
| I said he wasn't a Nazi. | ||
| I go, the story that... | ||
| I watched the interview, and I don't know what he did. | ||
| I don't know the guy. | ||
| I don't know him. | ||
| I don't know... | ||
| I know very little about him. | ||
| But what I remember from the story was that he was saying that when the Nazis occupied, he was with his... | ||
| I believe it was his uncle. | ||
| Godfather. | ||
| His godfather? | ||
| And took him around as a Christian and pretended he was a Christian when they were stealing from these Jews. | ||
| And he just thought it was normal because he was 13 years old. | ||
| But he was talking about it. | ||
| He was shielded by this person. | ||
| No, I would be willing to take his explanation. | ||
| What? | ||
| What? | ||
| Well, then it's over. | ||
| I would be willing to take his explanation? | ||
| We did it. | ||
| Well, I mean, to be fair, he does go on to say that he doesn't take that explanation. | ||
| Ah, I gotcha. | ||
| But he's having to pretend that he's more reasonable and more rational. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because he's talking with Joe, and Joe's like, I watched that interview. | ||
| You can't pull the, like, sleight of hand tricks that you normally do. | ||
| I know what you're talking about. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And what your version of it isn't true. | ||
| So Alex has to start with that qualification. | ||
| I would believe that. | ||
| I would believe that interpretation. | ||
| And then... | ||
| He says this, and actually, it's worse for Alex after he explains why he doesn't take that interpretation. | ||
| If somebody put a gun to my head and said, we're going to kill you if you don't help round up Joe Rogan's kids and put them in a concentration camp, I'd say, oh yeah, I agree with you, and I'll grab the gun away and kill them. | ||
| He just said that it was just taking property. | ||
| No, they were, what do you think? | ||
| Was it the Nazis show them, take your property, and then you don't go away? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| This is bullshit. | ||
| It was after people had already been taken away. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The Godfather was part of cleanup crews that would go around to the houses of people who had been taken to camps. | ||
| Alex is presenting it as they showed up and stole stuff and then, bada-bing, the Nazis came. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| As if they were the precursor as opposed to being there to catalog the property that Nazis were going to then confiscate. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is bullshit. | ||
| If Alex knew anything, he would know that. | ||
| He's trying to present it as they were the, I don't know, the silver surfer that came around as the herald of the Nazis. | ||
| Very nice. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Rare comic book reference coming from me. | ||
| So it gets worse. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I mean, I don't know. | ||
| We know what happened in Romania and Hungary. | ||
| But Joe, here's the difference. | ||
| But I mean, what he was saying. | ||
| They have headlines saying. | ||
| Okay, Joe Rogan. | ||
| So you're saying you think that it was more? | ||
| No, no. | ||
| He did an NPR interview. | ||
| I'm not trying to go indict George Soros. | ||
| Okay, well here's where I fucked up, because I shouldn't have even said anything about it, because I don't know much about it. | ||
| The real, absolute honesty is... | ||
| It's open to interpretation. | ||
| I've seen a couple of interviews. | ||
| It's open to interpretation. | ||
| No, it's fucking not. | ||
| It's open to interpretation. | ||
| You have just invalidated your entire argument. | ||
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Yep. | |
| If you are just saying that this is how I look at it, then you can't make the claims that you do. | ||
| Especially when you presented it as fact a million times. | ||
| He presents it so definitively. | ||
| This guy rounded up his fellow Jews in the Holocaust. | ||
| This guy's a Nazi collaborator. | ||
| It's not... | ||
| From his words, I get the sense that he was a Nazi collaborator. | ||
| I am inclined to be suspicious and believe that he is a Nazi collaborator. | ||
| He's reporting it. | ||
| The fact that he's on Rogan's show, and Rogan gives the smallest amount of pushback on this, and be like, that's not what I said. | ||
| And also, that interview doesn't say what you're saying it does. | ||
| It's a matter of interpretation. | ||
| Because he knows that if he pushes harder, or if Joe pushes harder, or if Alex says, no, absolutely, he rounded up Jews, Joe will then say, How do you know that? | ||
| And Alex will have no answer. | ||
| That's the coward's way out. | ||
| That's why Alex brought up the NPR interview because Joe hadn't watched that one. | ||
| But it doesn't say anything more. | ||
| No, it was that kind of... | ||
| That was such a slick move on Alex's part of just like... | ||
| No, okay, fine. | ||
| You watch the interview that I lie about all the time. | ||
| Well, guess what? | ||
| There's another interview that does contain all the information that I need, and I don't even need a bottom of it. | ||
| And now, granted, I always reference the 60 Minutes interview when I want to make this point, but because I'm challenged, now I pull up another one. | ||
| It's moving the goalposts entirely when you realize that your fucking argument doesn't stand. | ||
| Every time. | ||
| Every fucking time. | ||
| And because he's able to do these things, and because Joe hasn't seen that NPR interview, and because Joe doesn't have the fucking time to... | ||
| Do the stuff that I do in terms of looking into this stuff. | ||
| He ends up having to stipulate Alex's conjecture or whatever. | ||
| He has to at least allow it to be like, well, I don't know. | ||
| I can't say I don't know. | ||
| And then Alex, he has to cede the point to him to some extent. | ||
| And Alex saying it's open to interpretation, I can't stress this enough. | ||
| That is a damning thing for Alex to say. | ||
| Because he would never say that on his own show. | ||
| Oh, fuck no. | ||
| If he's sitting there alone screaming about Soros, he's never going to be like, it's open to interpretation. | ||
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Uh-uh. | |
| That's pathetic. | ||
| So anyway, they talk more about Soros, and Alex makes a claim about him that he's never made before, and is cockamamie bullshit. | ||
| He's actually a dog. | ||
| George Soros ran the breakup of the Soviet Union. | ||
| George... | ||
| How? | ||
| I've had the former head of... | ||
| What do you got, Jamie? | ||
| Got anything? | ||
| Top name George Soros tried to crash the pound. | ||
| The pound. | ||
| So the pound stuff is fine. | ||
| We'll talk about that a little bit in the next clip. | ||
| Yeah, it's actually now 14 ounces. | ||
| Yeah, it's a stone. | ||
| We'll talk about that in the next clip. | ||
| But Alex talks about him overthrowing governments all the time, which is just... | ||
| Him trying to help democratizing forces in former Soviet bloc countries. | ||
| We've discussed that in detail. | ||
| It's all bullshit. | ||
| Ad nauseum. | ||
| But he's never, I've never, I'm not going to say he's never said it, because I don't know, but I've never heard him say that George Soros ran the breakup of the Soviet Union. | ||
| And I'm here to say that if he did, he should be Alex's hero. | ||
| Alex hates the fucking Soviet Union. | ||
| They are the big bad guys of the anti-communist propagandists that he hero worships. | ||
| The idea that Soros quarterbacked the breakup of the Soviet Union in Alex's world should be seen as a heroic act. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| What a fucking idiot. | ||
| It is crazy. | ||
| Also, how? | ||
| That's a great question. | ||
| How? | ||
| What did he do? | ||
| That is not something Alex explains. | ||
| Who was he in charge of? | ||
| Did he get a government commission to do this? | ||
| He wrote that Reagan speech about tearing down the wall. | ||
| Yeah, like, what are you fucking talking about? | ||
| Yeah, it's nonsense. | ||
| That's ridiculous. | ||
| So, like I said, we're going to get to this question about breaking the pound. | ||
| I think we've talked about it a little bit before, but there's a little bit of clarification that might be useful. | ||
| And this is really funny because this is one of the only instances, I think it might be the only instance, where Jamie looks something up that Alex is talking about. | ||
| And actually finds something? | ||
| Well, they find an explanation of it, and then Rogan reads it on air, and Alex tries to interrupt him. | ||
| Wow, he's doing it to derail it, like he does with Obama speeches, where he's like, okay, hold on, you need to start that over again. | ||
| Yeah, gotcha. | ||
| And then Rogan tries to push back against that and be like, let me read this. | ||
| Can I finish? | ||
| Can I finish? | ||
| You'll see what Alex's strategy is. | ||
| It's not good. | ||
| George Soros is highest level deep state. | ||
| He is the manager, or was the manager. | ||
| Are you serious about these things you're saying? | ||
| I actually know. | ||
| But how do you know if you've ever... | ||
| He's deep research. | ||
| He ran the... | ||
| Because I'm on the Alex Jones 10 years ago. | ||
| He ran the Marshall Plan. | ||
| Let's see what we got here. | ||
| Did George Soros break the Bank of England? | ||
| Make it a little bigger, please. | ||
| Now we're about to break the bank! | ||
| In Britain, Black Wednesday, September 1682, the day the speculators broke the pound. | ||
| They didn't actually break it, but they forced the British government to pull it from the European exchange rate mechanism, joining the ERM. | ||
| Which was part of breaking the euro, breaking the pound to launch the euro. | ||
| Scroll it up, please. | ||
| Although it stood apart from the European currencies, the British pound, blah, blah, blah, compounding the underlying problems inherent in the pound's inclusion in the ERM. | ||
| I'm not seeing this. | ||
| Where's the part where George Soros does this? | ||
| Well, that's just what you pulled up. | ||
| But I'm just trying to find it. | ||
| There's an NPR interview. | ||
| Spotting the writing on the wall, Britain upped its interest rates to teens and attract people to the pound, but speculators, George Soros among them, began heavily shorting the currency. | ||
| The British government gave in and withdrew the ERM as it became clear that it was losing billions trying to buoy its currency artificially. | ||
| Although it was a bitter pill to swallow, the pound came back stronger because the excess interest in high inflation... | ||
| But, Joe, you notice you go to Investopedia, like, it's the boss. | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| There's films about this. | ||
| Soros pocketed $1 billion on the deal and cemented his reputation as the premier currency speculator in the world. | ||
| Now, if you're a currency speculator, isn't that what you do, though? | ||
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I don't know what a currency speculator does. | |
| Here's the deal. | ||
| George Soros works for the people that run our government, and he's a guy willing to do it all, and he's been very successful. | ||
| So he just moves on to something else after this explanation that Joe does poorly, but he hits the points that are important. | ||
| Soros didn't crash the pound at all. | ||
| He profited off it. | ||
| Because he was shorting the pound. | ||
| And the reason he was shorting the pound is because of that European exchange rate mechanism. | ||
| The ERM, when the pound got into it, they were resistant to get into it to begin with. | ||
| But when they did, they made a huge mistake in terms of tying it to the German mark. | ||
| The amount that they... | ||
| The exchange rate... | ||
| The Deutschmark? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| The exchange rate that they nailed it to was something that was unsustainable. | ||
| And it had to stay within a certain range above or below that exchange rate. | ||
| And because of the inflation rates and the interest rates in the United Kingdom at the time, it was just impossible for them to keep that up. | ||
| Soros and other investors, he wasn't the only one. | ||
| He was just the one that made the biggest bet on it, were able to recognize the signs on the wall. | ||
| The writing was all over the place. | ||
| For anyone to see that they were about to have to default on this shit. | ||
| That was going to cause the pound to go down seriously. | ||
| And if you were able to see what was coming, and you bet on it... | ||
| You would make a lot of money. | ||
| Yeah, Soros looked at their plan and was like, that's a bad idea, and then bet a shit ton of money that it was a bad idea. | ||
| Well, he had some concerns about it, but what made him end up making the big bet that ended up winning him a billion dollars in all of this... | ||
| Which should be a crime in and of itself. | ||
| I'm not thrilled with it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I agree with you on that. | ||
| You should not be able to make a billion dollars off speculation. | ||
| We should really regulate speculation so hard. | ||
| But it's like even that article said, the pound did come back much stronger because of the... | ||
| It was terrible in the immediate, but it was better in the long run to some extent. | ||
| But the issue is that Soros was acting on a report that he had heard from the head of the German Central Bank. | ||
| He had given an interview, and he was talking about how even if some currencies would have to be devalued, essentially, because of... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What was going on. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And the mark was the prevailing standard of the currencies. | ||
| Yeah, the German economy was the stronger. | ||
| Much stronger at that point. | ||
| So it was the standard bearer. | ||
| And so the idea that the president of the German central bank was coming out and saying those things, Soros was like, if we're going to move, we got to move today. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And if we're going to bet a million, let's bet so much more. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Why not? | ||
| We see the signs here. | ||
| So he and his boys made a massive bet that paid off huge. | ||
| That's what it is. | ||
| He didn't break the bank. | ||
| The bank did it to themselves, and he profited off of it. | ||
| He had nothing to do with getting into the ER realm. | ||
| He had nothing to do with the rate that they ended up nailing the pound to as it relates to the mark. | ||
| There is nothing that he is responsible for in this other than what you might call crass. | ||
| Capitalist speculation. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| It's the big short all over again. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So, that's important. | ||
| Because Alex doesn't understand any of that shit. | ||
| And I don't even think I did a perfect job of explaining. | ||
| There's a lot more little details in there. | ||
| But he's just blaming Soros for things that, you know, who cares? | ||
| It's nonsense. | ||
| He has nothing. | ||
| I mean, yeah, you can explain it in a more detailed and complicated way, but it does seem like the basic story is the British government did a bad thing. | ||
| An unwise thing. | ||
| I don't know if it's ethically bad. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because it was... | ||
| Ethically, morally, bad has that, I mean, like, stupid. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, it doesn't seem like it was entirely stupid at the time. | ||
| It was maybe foolish and short-sighted. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| But it was in response to financial troubles that the pound was in when they decided to join the PR round. | ||
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Right, right, right. | |
| It wasn't a decision that was taken lightly. | ||
| They had resisted getting involved for a long time. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And then needed a force that would stabilize their economy. | ||
| And being in the... | ||
| ERM, the exchange mechanism, was something that would help stabilize the economy. | ||
| So they chose to do that and were foolish in terms of the rate. | ||
| They should have done a different rate. | ||
| Soros was like, got it. | ||
| Bet all the money and then made a billion dollars. | ||
| Kind of seems pretty, like, in retrospect, it seems super simple. | ||
| I imagine that during that time, Soros was absolutely on the vanguard, and so many other people were like, this is a great idea, and we're going to take that bet. | ||
| But he also was probably terrified when he did it, because if it doesn't pay off, he's fucked. | ||
| Because the way these sorts of speculatory bets go, you're borrowing a ton of money to make the bet. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And if you're wrong and the pound goes up... | ||
| You have just now borrowed a ton of money and lost everything, and you have to pay that money back. | ||
| Yeah, but it does seem like, relatively speaking, it was probably a... | ||
| It was a good bet. | ||
| It probably wasn't that scary, because it's one of those things where, even if the pound does go up, it is definitely not going to go up by as much as the pound eventually went down. | ||
| Do you know what I'm saying? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So he was going to lose $20 million at the risk of making a billion dollars. | ||
| That's what's discussed in terms of a lot of these speculatory things. | ||
| But the game you're playing is so... | ||
| There's so many variables involved that if something... | ||
| If in some wild world, the British economy or the British... | ||
| The exchange rates, the inflation, all of that was able to... | ||
| They were able to... | ||
| Make it work in just the right way as to make them stay within the ERM. | ||
| And it went up. | ||
| He would have stood to lose so much more. | ||
| If it went bad, the odds of it going bad are not very high. | ||
| But if it went bad, he would have been... | ||
| Fucked. | ||
| He wouldn't be George Soros today. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| And that possibility did exist. | ||
| We would be right back with the Vanderbilts as our main globalist animators. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This goes to his theory of reflexivity, though, too. | ||
| The idea that you have to be flexible within markets. | ||
| You have to see what's going on and act accordingly. | ||
| This giant bet that he made was an act of his reflexivity principles in practice. | ||
| Because the idea was we could bet like $10 million on this or whatever. | ||
| And that's one way to do it, but reflexivity would tell you, this is an opportunity where you can make a billion. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So why not do that? | ||
| Yeah, this is an Ocean's Eleven. | ||
| You're going to lose to the house, but if you make a big bet, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| The window is only open at certain times. | ||
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Exactly. | |
| The window is open now. | ||
| So, whatever. | ||
| I do believe that there is ethical conversations you could have about that, but they're not what Alex is having. | ||
| He has nothing. | ||
| He has no fucking idea what he's talking about. | ||
| He just wants to demonize this guy because he stands for And supports liberal democratizing forces in countries that he wishes were still part of the Soviet Union, I guess, or in America. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Whatever plan it is that you think he has, it's a bad idea. | ||
| I told you there's a rogue variable. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And you have correctly guessed what it is. | ||
| Eddie Bravo. | ||
| Eddie Bravo. | ||
| Eddie Bravo shows up. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because I think... | ||
| Where was he in the beginning? | ||
| Well, here's the deal. | ||
| From what I was able to gather, Eddie Bravo was scheduled to do an episode after Alex's episode. | ||
| And he showed up early. | ||
| Well, I think... | ||
| I think Alex wanted him there because he needs somebody dumber than him or more gullible than him to be like, he needs to have an elevated status over somebody and he can't have that with Joe. | ||
| And also, Joe realized this isn't going all that well. | ||
| If I get Eddie in here, we'll at least have a third wheel. | ||
| Yeah, it'll be wild. | ||
| It solves everyone's problems. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And so they text him and tell him to come. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| And so Eddie shows up, and I think this might be a part of why the episode ended up being five hours long, because they just decided to keep going. | ||
| But here is Eddie's introduction to the episode. | ||
| Alex gets fucking weird. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| Eddie Bravo's here. | ||
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Oh, shit. | |
| Jesus Christ. | ||
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You guys haven't choked each other out yet? | |
| No, we're having a great time. | ||
| We're having a great time talking about interdimensional beings. | ||
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What kind of fucking shit is this? | |
| NASA, bro. | ||
| I'll choke you out with this shirt. | ||
| NASA. | ||
| I'm going to make you regret wearing this fucking... | ||
| Eddie Bravo comes in hot. | ||
| Alex is wearing a NASA shirt, and a part of it was to troll Eddie because he doesn't believe space is real. | ||
| He's a flat-earth guy. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| It's complicated. | ||
| Actually, I'm fine with it. | ||
| It's complicated. | ||
| Whatever Eddie Bravo wants. | ||
| So I think he was trying to fuck with Eddie by wearing the shirt, and so Eddie comes in, and I'm going to choke you out with that shirt, you son of a bitch. | ||
| Good work, Eddie. | ||
| Just joking around. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Fucking shirt. | ||
| Listen, in high school, we used to choke each other out. | ||
| That's like a DM teacher. | ||
| Go ahead and choke me out. | ||
| On air. | ||
| No, no, no, no, no. | ||
| Please don't. | ||
| That would be hilarious. | ||
| Please don't. | ||
| I'm not scared. | ||
| Let's do it. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Eddie, don't. | ||
| Please don't choke him unconscious. | ||
| Do it now. | ||
| Do it. | ||
| You know, you think I'm afraid of this? | ||
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Let's do it. | |
| No, I do it. | ||
| I definitely don't think you're afraid of this, which is why I don't want him to do it. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| Let's not be pussies. | ||
| Choke me up. | ||
| So this goes on for a while. | ||
| Alex is begging Eddie to choke him, and it comes up again. | ||
| It's just a sad display of a drunk asshole. | ||
| Eddie shows up and he tells a story about being, like, I guess maybe he worked at the strip club or he was at the strip club. | ||
| I'm not entirely sure. | ||
| It's irrelevant. | ||
| It was a flat strip club, though. | ||
| This guy, the guy who ran the place was like, if this little lady can choke me out, then I'll give her the keys to my car. | ||
| And this young, like, small woman who Eddie had taught how to do a chokehold got up on a bar stool and choked the guy out. | ||
| And he passed out, hit his head on the ground, and as soon as he hit the ground, he woke back up and he was furious. | ||
| And Eddie's like, you've got to give her those keys. | ||
| That sort of thing. | ||
| It's a fine story. | ||
| Yeah, he could have died. | ||
| It sounds like that was a very... | ||
| That was a very... | ||
| I could have died moment right there. | ||
| Toxic masculinity. | ||
| But at the same time, in the realm of Joe Rogan's show, it's a fine story told well. | ||
| The standards are so much lower. | ||
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Fair. | |
| So, whatever. | ||
| Eddie tells this story. | ||
| They all have a good laugh. | ||
| And then Alex tells this story, which I think he's trying to build on and be like, aren't I fun too? | ||
| And it is deeply disturbing. | ||
| I don't think I've ever been choked completely out. | ||
| Maybe for a second. | ||
| The first time I got choked out was like this 17-year-old super hot chick. | ||
| And I was like 13. Tied up. | ||
| And she lived down the street. | ||
| I got promiscuous when I was pretty young, like 12. And she goes, I'll have sex with you. | ||
| It's a true story. | ||
| I'll have sex with you if you let me put makeup on. | ||
| So I might have to gaze everything. | ||
| So the girl puts the makeup on and I have sex with her. | ||
| And she's super hot, and a week later she goes, now I'm going to choke you out. | ||
| And that relationship went really well until a 30-year-old boyfriend caught me at her place once, because her mom was always working, and tried to kill me in the parking lot. | ||
| Oh my God. | ||
| Yeah, oh my God. | ||
| So that's the guy he probably technically killed. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| There's more stories coming. | ||
| Dude, that is a... | ||
| That's profoundly fucked up. | ||
| That's deeply disturbing. | ||
| And I think some of his anger at the LGBT community and trans people in particular probably maybe has some part in this abuse that he suffered from this 17-year-old, other 17-year-old girl who he was sexually active with who forced him into cross-dressing at a young age as a requirement to have sex with her. | ||
| If this story is true... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But if it isn't, why is he bringing it? | ||
| These details are weird. | ||
| This sounds true. | ||
| And you know what? | ||
| There is no problem with that among two consensual adults. | ||
| Adults, yes. | ||
| Adults. | ||
| You should not be forcing a 12-year-old to put makeup on. | ||
| Experimenting with makeup or any of that stuff is no big deal. | ||
| And your real boyfriend is 30 years old. | ||
| That's another piece of this. | ||
| What the fuck is this lady? | ||
| That's another piece of this. | ||
| She is also a victim. | ||
| This lady is 17-year-old fucking a 12-year-old. | ||
| She's got range. | ||
| This is a difficult situation. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, but I mean, what you're describing here, not you, but what Alex is describing here, if you really take all the packaging off it and all the sensational, like, I got fucked and then choked out kind of stuff, out of it, you're describing Alex Jones as a 12, 13-year-old child. | ||
| Being in a super chaotic environment, like to the point where just existing in that space, like I said about the last story he told, just existing in a space where you're hanging out with a 17-year-old girl who is being abused by a 30-year-old boyfriend in the context of a quote-unquote relationship, that is enough. | ||
| To really have a lasting imprint in you. | ||
| That's terrifying to a child. | ||
| That lack of control and lack of stability, that lack of any kind of real... | ||
| What you need in your formative years to integrate, to come to a healthy adulthood, is absent there. | ||
| He's saying that this is a girl whose parents were never home, so she was fucking a 30-year-old, and then she acted out on me as well. | ||
| There's no parental supervision around. | ||
| There's profound abuse happening. | ||
| It's just like... | ||
| You take everything out of it, and what you're left with is like... | ||
| This should be a story for therapy, not laughs on Roman's show. | ||
| It's so much a combination of a lot of fucked up things. | ||
| The worst part is the way that this story is being told as if putting makeup on is, first off, gay shit. | ||
| Which, go fuck yourself. | ||
| And then second, this story is being told like how... | ||
| It's a hero story. | ||
| Like how whenever a... | ||
| When an adult male teacher has sex with one of his students, everybody's like, this is fucked up. | ||
| But whenever an adult female teacher has sex with one of her students, we're like, oh, she's bad. | ||
| But everybody's like, the joke is they're giving that dude high fives. | ||
| And you're like, no, no, no, no. | ||
| This is fucked up. | ||
| It's traumatic to people's brains. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| To some extent, I'll say that... | ||
| Alex has the right to tell the story however he wants because it's his experience. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't think that we need to... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's such a weird line. | ||
| Because what he's doing is normalizing all of these sorts of things by laughing about it and being like, isn't it awesome? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Which is bad. | ||
| But at the same time, if that, like, I don't believe this is the case. | ||
| But if in the context of his lifelong therapy, he's come to peace with these experiences that he has. | ||
| No chance. | ||
| No. | ||
| Zero chance. | ||
| But if that were the case and he's able to laugh about it and be like, isn't this crazy? | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Like, that sort of thing. | ||
| I don't think that's bad. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But that's not what he's doing. | ||
| That is not what he's doing. | ||
| And it's irresponsible of Rogan and Bravo to both be like, ha ha ha, this is funny. | ||
| Like, there's no way that anybody could tell me that story and I wouldn't be like, that's... | ||
| You need to deal with that. | ||
| Interview over. | ||
| You need to deal with that in a much better way than telling me this story like it's a joke. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because that's fucked up. | ||
| Yeah, it's a mess. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yeah, these people are irresponsible friends or accomplices. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Enablers. | ||
| Enablers, for sure. | ||
| So, in this next clip, this is probably my favorite thing that happened on the show. | ||
| And I say that... | ||
| Like, in the same way that, like, when you buy an album when you're a kid and your favorite song on it is the single. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's just not a good album. | ||
|
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Right. | |
| So you just like the single. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| The rest of it's trash. | ||
| This is before iTunes allowed you to buy just one song. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| You would be screwed over. | ||
| You're like, why did I buy Semisonics album? | ||
| I just like Closing Time. | ||
| Why did anybody buy Semisonics? | ||
| Or Verve Pipe. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I like the Freshman. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| It's that sort of thing. | ||
| You get the album, you're like, fuck this. | ||
| That's kind of how I feel about this. | ||
| This is the single, and I think this is one of the clips that's probably going to be gift and sent around and go big. | ||
| And what it is, is Eddie Bravo trolling Alex really hard. | ||
| And it's hilarious on some level. | ||
| Because Eddie had been listening to the show on his way to the studio. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| So he knows what Alex has been talking about. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| And he uses that against Alex because he's drunk. | ||
| And Alex freaks out. | ||
| Let me tell you something right now. | ||
| Let me tell you something right now. | ||
| I came here and I proved they're keeping babies alive and taking their organs. | ||
| How did you prove that? | ||
| Jamie pulled some shit up on Google? | ||
| They admit it now. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| That's YouTube. | ||
| They're normalizing it. | ||
| No, the fucking... | ||
| The governor! | ||
| Listen to me! | ||
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You really think... | |
| Do you really think there's people out there campaigning for late-term abortions? | ||
| You think that shit's real? | ||
| You think that shit's real? | ||
| The Senate voted Monday to keep it legal. | ||
| Who would do that? | ||
| Who would campaign? | ||
| They fucking did it, Bravo! | ||
| So, to give a little bit of context, the reason that Eddie is trolling him like this is because Alex does that about Eddie's flat-earth beliefs. | ||
| So he's mirroring all of Alex's complaints about, like, where did you learn that? | ||
| Oh, it's just a fucking YouTube video, all this stuff. | ||
| Who actually believes there's a flat? | ||
| All that stuff. | ||
| So he's turning that around on Alex just to fuck with him. | ||
| And Alex is losing. | ||
| That's pretty great. | ||
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You can't fucking admit they're fucking killing already more kids! | |
| So you're telling me it isn't real when they had a fucking vote in the goddamn fucking Senate! | ||
| That's a conspiracy theory. | ||
| I am ready to beat your fucking ass. | ||
|
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That's a conspiracy theory. | |
| You think you're fucking tough, you're about to get it. | ||
|
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Bullshit! | |
| They're killing hardy-born babies! | ||
| Stop fucking lying! | ||
| God fucking damn it! | ||
| I'm getting pissed now. | ||
| Don't get pissed. | ||
| No! | ||
| I mean, you saw the... | ||
| Dude, it's going to... | ||
|
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I'm just fucking with you. | |
| Alex! | ||
| Alex! | ||
| Alex, I was fucking with you. | ||
|
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The fucking Senate voted to kill babies after they're fucking born. | |
| I was just playing with you. | ||
| Of course I believe that, Alex. | ||
| Of course I believe. | ||
|
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It's all over the news. | |
| I was just playing with you. | ||
| Let me explain to you. | ||
| We went into a long conversation. | ||
|
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I heard it. | |
| I heard it. | ||
| Okay, you heard it. | ||
| I heard the whole podcast. | ||
| I'm playing with you. | ||
| First off, If you allow yourself to get fucked with by Eddie Bravo, that's shame on you. | ||
| Shame on you. | ||
| It's not even fooling what shame on you. | ||
|
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No, no, no. | |
| Period. | ||
| Fuck. | ||
| You lose. | ||
| You lose for good. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, it's delightful on some levels. | ||
| In much the same way that when I, like I told you, I was at that AAW event, and the wrestler, Eddie Kingston, punched out the guy in the crowd. | ||
| Like, I don't know if that was, I didn't know if that was real or fake for quite a bit. | ||
| I still, like, same way, listening to this, I don't know if Alex's anger at this is... | ||
| Performative. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If you watch it, you see his face. | ||
| He does look not like he's playing. | ||
| Right. | ||
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But he's drunk. | |
| And he's standing up and sort of pacing a little bit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But all of his outbursts of emotion always have a tinge of, like, this doesn't seem real. | ||
| It's not human. | ||
| He's a psychopath. | ||
| Yeah, but at the same time, I don't really care. | ||
| That response to Eddie clearly fucking with him. | ||
| And it takes a long time to talk Alex down. | ||
| You heard that there. | ||
| Like, a minute. | ||
| Alex, Alex, Alex. | ||
| There's at least 30 seconds of, I was fucking with you. | ||
| Alex, I was fucking with you. | ||
| I really, I think the most... | ||
| Look, it's bad that Alex got fucked with by Eddie Bravo. | ||
| That's pretty sad. | ||
| The worst part, though, is Eddie Bravo going, of course I believe that. | ||
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Like, Eddie, you didn't even have to do that part. | |
| You could have just said you were fucking with him. | ||
| But then you say, of course I believe you? | ||
| But he does. | ||
| Of course he believes it! | ||
| He believes in flat earth. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So Alex screams more about this, about how the governor of Virginia... | ||
| That should be Eddie Bravo's t-shirt, just, of course I believe you. | ||
| Of course I believe you. | ||
| Of course I believe you. | ||
| So he screams more about the governor of Virginia being an organ-harvesting doctor, and that's just a reference to him having a history in pediatrics. | ||
| But this is where he explains what happened and how he was under blackmail. | ||
| They're giving a bunch of goddamn fucking organ-harvesting doctors control outside of law. | ||
| You heard that piece of shit, fucking KKK guy, fucking governor, say we're going to keep them alive after they're fucking born because they want to fucking take their organs. | ||
|
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It's incredible. | |
| He's a KKK guy? | ||
| It's incredible! | ||
| Oh, fuck! | ||
|
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It's so incredible that I... | |
| He's in a picture with a guy in a KKK outfit in blackface. | ||
| They elected him because he's blackmailed. | ||
| They had that shit. | ||
| And when he messed up and said we keep them alive to get their fucking organs, they used that to deactivate him. | ||
| That's a good conspiracy theory. | ||
| Why do you think fraternities have you screw sheep and all this and, you know, give guys blowjobs? | ||
| That's why I never joined them. | ||
| Because they want to compromise you. | ||
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Wait, wait, wait. | |
| Go back. | ||
| Go back what? | ||
| Say that again? | ||
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Ah! | |
| Fraternities. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I'm so happy we decided to do this podcast. | ||
| So you can already tell just Eddie being introduced to the proceedings. | ||
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Eddie being there is fun, yeah. | |
| He has created a completely different environment. | ||
| Even if, like, sure, him fucking with Alex caused this emotional outburst and what have you. | ||
| But, like, throughout the rest of this, it becomes much more palatable to some extent. | ||
|
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Jovial, yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Like, everyone has a position that they can work within, and it's because Eddie Bravo is there. | ||
| The stakes are gone. | ||
|
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Right. | |
| Like, you don't have to talk about the seriousness of what Alex did in Sandy Hook or any of that shit, because Eddie Bravo's there, and he believes that the Earth is flat. | ||
| Yeah, and you fucking can't, because Eddie Bravo's probably going to be like, yeah, I don't think Sandy Hook happened either. | ||
| And you're like, no! | ||
| Shut it down, shut it down, shut it down, Eddie. | ||
| Also, I would say that, Alex, another reason, besides the fact that you're forced to fuck sheep and give guys blowjobs, another reason you didn't join a fraternity is you went to a junior college and then dropped out. | ||
| So I would say that you probably didn't have an opportunity to join a fraternity. | ||
| But that's just my take on it. | ||
| Splitting hairs. | ||
| So, Eddie is there. | ||
| Alex wants to impress him and Joe, too. | ||
| So they start talking about Nazis. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| At some point, Alex talks about... | ||
| He has this really long thing that he goes on about how he used to have a bunch of boxes in his garage and he didn't even know what was in them. | ||
| He was actually dead Nazis. | ||
| One of his family members was going through it and they found a Nazi medal he bought at a garage sale or something like that. | ||
| And they're like, oh my god, you're a Nazi. | ||
| And then now everybody thinks I'm a Nazi. | ||
| I'm like, that's a family issue. | ||
| If your family member found a Nazi medal and you're not able to have that conversation in a decent way, that's on you. | ||
| That's on you and your family. | ||
| I don't think that you having a Nazi medal makes you a Nazi. | ||
| I understand people who have, like, historical interest in that sort of thing. | ||
| Like Sandra Bullock. | ||
| I understand the possibility of that. | ||
| If someone is super into World War II, the idea of having these things, they're antiques, they're relics. | ||
| Owning those things, as long as you own American things also, or the Allied powers, as long as you have a spectrum of these antiques, and not just Nazi stuff, then I think that that's very... | ||
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Normal. | |
| I think what he's describing is more like how he has no idea what humor is. | ||
| True. | ||
| Like, there's no way that... | ||
| Because if you did find that Nazi medal, you wouldn't think that he was a Nazi. | ||
| What you would think... | ||
| His family member might. | ||
| Well, yeah, his family members might. | ||
| Probably because he's a Nazi. | ||
| Other things. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| But that would still be, like, a running joke. | ||
| That would definitely be something that you start throwing in there where you're like, oh, yeah, ha, ha, ha, you're a Nazi because of that medal. | ||
| Remember that? | ||
| You know? | ||
| Like, that's just... | ||
| Yep, that's a possibility, too. | ||
| You would totally do that. | ||
| Yep, he might be interpreting how people respond... | ||
| misinterpreting how... | ||
| Because he doesn't have a sense of humor. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So they have that whole conversation, and it's whatever. | ||
| But now, with Eddie and the proceedings, he decides he's going to tell some deep dirt on the Nazis. | ||
| By the way, I said they were great. | ||
| The secrets of Hitler. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| The secrets? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| What are they? | ||
| But this is not the BS. | ||
| This is the real thing. | ||
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Okay. | |
| How do you know, though? | ||
| Who's telling you this stuff? | ||
| Beyond classified, Eddie. | ||
| Beyond classified, Eddie. | ||
| No, I mean... | ||
| Alex, seriously, do you ever think... | ||
| Okay, my grandfather... | ||
| Because you have a lot of sources. | ||
| My grandfather was German in Dallas. | ||
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So what? | |
| And he worked for the inventor of indoor air conditioning. | ||
| He was a billionaire. | ||
| What about outdoor air conditioning? | ||
| What's the rich area of Dallas where the Republicans all live? | ||
| God, what's the name of that place? | ||
| Arlington. | ||
| No, it's not Arlington. | ||
| It's the thing right there in the middle of Dallas. | ||
| Arlington? | ||
| No. | ||
| That's Austin. | ||
| That's Austin. | ||
| You think Dallas is like all buildings. | ||
| There's a huge park and like all these big mansions. | ||
| I think Dallas is all buildings. | ||
| Anyways, he lived up there. | ||
| It wasn't just from him. | ||
| You know, I'm not going to get into it. | ||
| The point is that Hitler was on the cover of Time Magazine and he was. | ||
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That's true. | |
| Who cares? | ||
| The Time magazine stuff, like, they've been very clear about their man of the year doesn't reflect that we support them. | ||
| Yeah, it's not good. | ||
| It's like, this is the guy who's dominated this fucking year, unfortunately. | ||
| Right, so the idea that Hitler was on the cover of Time does not mean that they were like, he's so awesome. | ||
| There is a conversation to be had about how, like, the Buns and stuff like that, there were tons of American Nazis and a lot of business interests were in favor of some of him. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| So, sure, there's that. | ||
| No, you can... | ||
| I can definitely go back and read a lot of pro-killing-all-the-Jews shit. | ||
| But him coming up with Time Magazine is a really shitty version of this. | ||
| That's what he comes up with. | ||
| Because he doesn't want to talk about his grandfather. | ||
| He wants to introduce the idea that his grandfather gave him secret information because he was a German living in Dallas. | ||
| Great. | ||
| He also killed Kennedy, too. | ||
| But then he's like, I can't... | ||
| I don't remember what my story is with this. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| I don't want to get into it. | ||
| Eddie, Eddie. | ||
| I don't want to get into it. | ||
| Eddie, you derailed me. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Eddie, you... | ||
| You fucked me on this one. | ||
| I was going to tell some straight-up awesome secrets. | ||
| Amazing stories about a German grandfather. | ||
| But Alex regroups, and he gets back to his grandfather. | ||
| And I don't know if this is what he intended to say, but this is where the story goes, and it's fucked up. | ||
| My grandfather said it was really confusing for him because he worked for this guy that was in refrigeration and air conditioning when he was in high school, and his dad owned the car dealerships in Dallas and stuff, and they lived there. | ||
| The rich area of Dallas. | ||
| And what did they tell you? | ||
| Well, through one reason he wanted, by the time World War II started, to drop out of UT and, you know, all that and go join the Army Air Corps. | ||
| So he used to tell me all this stuff. | ||
| My mom would go, your grandfather is a little eccentric now. | ||
| Like, my grandfather knew Wernher von Braun. | ||
| He came to Austin at events. | ||
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What? | |
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
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What? | |
| So, anyways. | ||
| Your grandfather was a Nazi, do you? | ||
| Well, he went to some of his events, and yeah, he came to, yeah. | ||
| With the UT events. | ||
| Okay, that's incredible. | ||
| But the point is, I'm getting too old, because there were like German... | ||
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No wonder you believe in the moon landing. | |
| I get it now. | ||
| Eddie's still fucking with him. | ||
| Eddie is fucking bringing fire. | ||
| If there's a hero, Eddie Bravo, once again. | ||
| Consistently. | ||
| Even the way he said Werner Braun, he's like, you knew Werner Braun wrong? | ||
| And that's good timing on Eddie's part. | ||
| That's actually being funny. | ||
| Now I get why you believe in space. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| So Alex's grandfather apparently knew... | ||
| Eddie is the hero! | ||
| He knew Werner Von Braun. | ||
| That's great. | ||
| I guess? | ||
| I don't know if that's true or not. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| But if we allow it to be the truth, it makes this next clip deeply fucked up. | ||
| This is a clip that, like, I don't care how many Nazi medals you have. | ||
| I'll let that slide. | ||
| You say something like this. | ||
| I got questions. | ||
| Finish your story. | ||
| My family was what they called high German. | ||
| And so, yeah, that's what that is. | ||
| Uber mention. | ||
| So they only would talk to people that were in the club. | ||
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Oh, shit. | |
| Okay. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, anyways, my grandfather in the family was like an Uber mention. | ||
| And so, you know, high IQ the whole nine yards. | ||
| So. | ||
| Dude, if you want to be clear about this, Alex is up here on Rogan's show straight up saying that his family was recognized as part of the master race by a former Nazi. | ||
| I don't think I need to take any more time out of anyone's day to explain why that's fucked up. | ||
| Because Ubermensch is like, that's a Nietzsche invention. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| But he was super against the Nazis and against anti-Semitism. | ||
| After he had passed, I believe it was after he passed, I'm not entirely sure about the timeline, but his sister was involved in co-opting the term because she was Nazi sympathizing. | ||
| And so the idea of Ubermensch was, like, that's a pretty strictly Nazi idea that refers to the Aryan master race. | ||
| Which you are reinforcing your belief in whilst telling this story. | ||
| And that your family is a part of. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| As recognized by high-ranking Nazi Wernher von Braun. | ||
| Yeah, they were called high Germans, which is like, oh, do you mean they were Nazis? | ||
| Because it sounds like you mean Nazi. | ||
| It does really sound like that. | ||
| It seems like your grandfather was a Nazi? | ||
| It sounds like his grandfather was a fucking Nazi. | ||
| Your grandfather was a Nazi, Alex. | ||
| Alex! | ||
| Grandfather was a Nazi. | ||
| Were those medals that you had in those boxes your grandfather's war medallions? | ||
| Sure seems like it. | ||
| I don't fucking know, but you don't... | ||
| If you are somebody who's like, I fucking hate Nazis, they're terrible, all that stuff, you don't then get drunk on a fucking Rogan episode and be like, my grandfather knew Wernher von Braun, my family is uber-mentioned, they're high Germans, and so we're in the club. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You don't... | ||
| What the fuck? | ||
| They only talk to other people in the club. | ||
| The master race. | ||
| Who else was in that fucking club? | ||
| Nazis! | ||
| That's so damning. | ||
| It's so damning. | ||
| When I heard him say, our family is Uber mentioned, I was like, oh god. | ||
| Hey, you know who doesn't say that? | ||
| The families of Nazis now! | ||
| Or families of not Nazis. | ||
| Those two. | ||
| Those two are the main people who don't say it. | ||
| I would say that it's a Venn diagram with a very small sliver. | ||
| No, Venn diagram's the wrong way to look at it. | ||
| It's a pie chart with the tiniest sliver that is just Alex Jones. | ||
| That says, my family... | ||
| Oh, no, I guess neo-Nazis online who hide behind anonymity and stuff like that. | ||
| Yeah, their families were also uber-mentioned. | ||
| Or at least they'll say they were. | ||
| It's fun. | ||
| It's fun to be part of the master race, Dan. | ||
| I guess. | ||
| Because you really don't have to deal with reality. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So he had high IQs. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| In this next clip, we get another glimpse. | ||
| So earlier, Alex was talking about when he was seven or so, and he heard his dad talking about making tooth cyborgs. | ||
| And that's cool. | ||
| Which we now know is Nazi tooth cyborgs. | ||
| Apparently. | ||
| So we hear about his grandfather. | ||
| But to be fair, we don't know if it's maternal or paternal grandfather. | ||
| We're not entirely sure on that. | ||
| He doesn't specify. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And he doesn't say the last name, so I'm not sure. | ||
| Like, I would assume his mom's father's last name would be Hammond. | ||
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Right. | |
| Because her name is Carol Hammond. | ||
| His dad's father's last name would be Bowie. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| Jones, which is David Bowie's real name. | ||
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Oh, okay. | |
| I'm glad that my dad didn't die when David Bowie died. | ||
| Weird. | ||
| So he overhears his grandfather talking about some stuff when he was a child, and now he relates it to Eddie and Joe. | ||
| And my grandfather would go, So they'd sit me down there like a week during the summer. | ||
| You know, I was like eight years old. | ||
| I'm hearing this. | ||
| And he's like, Von Braun has the plan for this orbital spacecraft. | ||
| We're going to land it. | ||
| And we're going to have artificial gravity systems. | ||
| And I'm hearing all this stuff. | ||
| He's got like markers at the table, like talking about it. | ||
| And I'm sitting there listening to this. | ||
| There will be no Jews up in space. | ||
| And he was talking about, yeah. | ||
| Then I was a lease hound for, you know, Texaco. | ||
| And the only place you get a chicken fried steak out in New Mexico or West Texas was a military base. | ||
| And all these goddamn Nazis. | ||
| And, you know, one time I didn't want to do it. | ||
| But that guy smarted off about how... | ||
| They were better at shooting our planes down. | ||
| So I went ahead and just rammed his head right through the wall. | ||
| I never knew what happened after that. | ||
| But son, you just got to kill Nazis. | ||
| And those son of a bitches, our government brought in thousands of those assholes. | ||
| And I'm like, listen to this. | ||
| I'm like, I'm going to read about Nazis. | ||
| So until about 10, I start buying books. | ||
| Heritage. | ||
| I was like 12 to walk to the bookstore and I want my comp. | ||
| They go, are you a Nazi? | ||
| Like reading Hitler's My Struggle. | ||
| No, I'm not a Nazi. | ||
| Both my grandfathers told me how bad Nazis were and both almost died fighting Nazis. | ||
| So I wanted to know about Nazis. | ||
| It was this whole ethos. | ||
| So, I mean, you can just see how tangentially he's jumping around from topic to topic. | ||
| Even if it's all kind of Nazi-related, that story makes no sense. | ||
| There isn't a real point to it. | ||
| He doesn't really have any... | ||
| I think the point to the story is that he just revealed that his grandfather was a Nazi, and so now he has to rewrite that to make it sound like his grandfather wasn't a Nazi. | ||
| Well, he also talks about this HVAC guy that his grandfather worked for, and apparently he was being extorted by the Nazis, something like that. | ||
| He tells a really long story that's very convoluted about the grandfather hated the Nazis because this guy that he worked for had to send tons of money. | ||
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Sure. | |
| Because they were holding his family hostage or something along those lines. | ||
| I'm not entirely sure. | ||
| I didn't include that, although that is kind of informing what conversation Alex is trying to have, but because it doesn't make a lot of sense. | ||
| And if his point was that the Nazis extorted people, I don't know if that's the secret of Hitler. | ||
| I don't know if... | ||
| It's the secret of 2017, that's for sure. | ||
| But that's how he presents the beginning of this conversation. | ||
| I've got the deep, better-than-classified information about Hitler. | ||
| It turns out that he blackmailed an HVAC guy. | ||
| HVAC. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Not a bad strategy. | ||
| No, I'm sure that the Nazis did extort a lot of people. | ||
| That certainly is well within their repertoire. | ||
| Yeah, but you've got to get a little bit of that HVAC money, especially during a time period where indoor air conditioning was just booming, man. | ||
| Again, what about outdoor air conditioning? | ||
| That's wind. | ||
| You don't need to say indoor air conditioning. | ||
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You can just say air conditioning. | |
| That's a useless qualifier. | ||
| You could call it central air? | ||
| Sure, that's different. | ||
| What about decentral air? | ||
| There's a window unit. | ||
| There's a distinction there, but indoor-outdoor air conditioning is not a worthwhile distinction. | ||
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This guy is crazy. | |
| So earlier, we heard Alex say that NASA was the real government, and you balked at that. | ||
| They were the shadow government. | ||
| Shadow equals real. | ||
| Ah, okay. | ||
| Just like Shadow the Hedgehog is the real Sonic. | ||
| We all know that. | ||
| I really don't think we do. | ||
| In his next clip... | ||
| I think that Knuckles is the real... | ||
| Anyway. | ||
| In his next clip, Alex doubles down on that and then explains how that came to be. | ||
| Because Rogan is kind of confused about the premise. | ||
| So when I say, what is NASA? | ||
| If we can take NASA back over, it's bigger than the CIA. | ||
| It's the real government. | ||
| The spaceships and the stuff, that's all PR. | ||
| NASA is the real government? | ||
| NASA, there were two breakaway governments, two shadow governments. | ||
| I talked about shadow government 20 years ago. | ||
| So we have three total governments. | ||
| And so you had one that was British-run, and the Germans came to our own U.S. elites and said, hey, you always need a couple plants. | ||
| They said, we've got all this on the drawing board, the EU. | ||
| A plan to poison the food and water to get rid of the dumb people. | ||
| So it wasn't at a conference with billionaires. | ||
| We've got, by the way, we're taking hardcore drugs and we're in contact with aliens. | ||
| They're giving us technology. | ||
| It was the Germans first got in touch. | ||
| Well, how'd they do it? | ||
| They were really into the occult. | ||
| Drugs. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Thanks, Eddie. | ||
| Thanks, Eddie, for chiming in there, buddy. | ||
| So the reason I stopped you for a second, like, saying there's three governments, is because we now bring in foreign governments. | ||
| So there's, like, England's government, too. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And then you've got Germany's government in modern day. | ||
| We now have the EU as well. | ||
| So we have at least two... | ||
| Well, the EU is a plan put together by the Nazis. | ||
| By the German breakaway secret program that may or may not be NASA. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But the Germans contacted aliens first. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Which means they were the ones who came up with the... | ||
| And he just described the... | ||
| They came up with everything evil. | ||
| He just described the globalist plan that he attributed to the billionaire conference earlier. | ||
| Right, but it's actually... | ||
| But those billionaires only had that conference and talked about it because they were aware and were getting information from these Germans or maybe not Germans who were in contact with aliens. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So it all works. | ||
| It did take more than one conference. | ||
| I would assume so. | ||
| To come up with that plan. | ||
| But I'm just saying that it does make sense. | ||
| I guess? | ||
| So the Germans are in touch with aliens. | ||
| And they're getting this information from them. | ||
| So the problem that I have is that what we have here is Alex is presenting a dichotomy of two breakaway governments. | ||
| One is the British, and one is the German, and they're at war with each other to some extent. | ||
| And there's NASA. | ||
| No, but that's the German secret space program or whatever. | ||
| Oh, when we brought Werner Von Braun over, that's NASA. | ||
| What is NASA but American for Nazis? | ||
| But he's also presenting the... | ||
| British breakaway government as being involved in our government as well. | ||
| It seems like if the two were at war, it would be incongruous for us to have both of them existing within the same body. | ||
| But he doesn't really sweat the small stuff. | ||
| Here is the other thing that I think everybody is missing. | ||
| And I would say even Alex. | ||
| King George? | ||
| Immortal. | ||
| And has been behind the scenes of the British government this entire time. | ||
| I would say... | ||
| Everything else is a fucking... | ||
| Plot, Dan. | ||
| It's distraction. | ||
| It's sleight of hand. | ||
| King George, still alive. | ||
| Your theory is interesting. | ||
| Is it? | ||
| Is it interesting? | ||
| I would say that the thing that Alex is missing, everyone is missing, and your theory is missing, is citations. | ||
| I would say what it's missing is any underlying proof other than, I heard a weirdo say this! | ||
| You haven't seen enough YouTube videos, Dan. | ||
| That's not good! | ||
| Citation, YouTube. | ||
| That is not good. | ||
| I read it in Microsoft Encarta! | ||
| So another problem is that he's saying there's these two breakaway governments. | ||
| One is the British, one is the Germans. | ||
| The Germans influenced our NASA through the Operation Paperclip and all the Nazis coming over and what have you. | ||
| But then we have this that also makes it difficult for me to integrate all of these ideas into my mind. | ||
| We merged with the British Empire in like 1930. | ||
| Okay, that's what the CFR is, is British intelligence and U.S. intelligence. | ||
| So the U.S. runs the show. | ||
| Okay, so you've got, but German intelligence came to Eisenhower and said, listen, you don't need to do all this. | ||
| We haven't given them the real technology. | ||
| What? | ||
| We're in contact with aliens. | ||
| And they've given us the whole plan. | ||
| Now, where are you getting this from that you're stating it so confidently? | ||
| It's in the literature, man. | ||
| Hitler, like, would go to literature. | ||
| Mainline historical books about SS castles where they go, the aliens want blood, so they'd kill like 20 kids and everything, so the aliens would like come in the field. | ||
| It brings them in like sharks. | ||
| And then they would like give them technology. | ||
| They'd go, this is how it works. | ||
| You build the atomic weapons this way. | ||
| They would like show them bombers. | ||
| The aliens are like telepathic. | ||
| I don't even believe this. | ||
| This is what the Nazis believe. | ||
| And the aliens would mind meld and give them the technology. | ||
| They're bad aliens. | ||
| Are you surprised the Nazis were influenced by demons? | ||
| Yes! | ||
| No, if demons are real, I would definitely think they'd be on the side of the Nazis. | ||
| But Joe, what I'm telling you is, there'll be no media is going to attack this. | ||
| I want to know where I can read it. | ||
| Where can I read that? | ||
| Those statements. | ||
| That they were in contact with the aliens. | ||
| Well, obviously your podcast is giant. | ||
| Nazi Vril Society. | ||
| V-R-I-L Society. | ||
| You had a group of chicks. | ||
| That's aliens. | ||
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They were right up there with them doing rituals. | |
| If I can fly here with a report, I'll send it all to you with mainline books. | ||
| I'll mail the books with tabs in them, and I'll mail documents. | ||
| Alex is saying, basically, I'll prove this to you, but I need a rebooking in order to do it. | ||
| I mean, he's dangling a carrot out in front of Joe. | ||
| We'll do a follow-up one where I prove all of my conjecture about... | ||
| Granted, I have no citations on me right now, but I will send you those books. | ||
| We're going to do this again and I'll send you the books ahead of time and it's going to be great. | ||
| Those books are not going to say the things Alex says. | ||
| This is never going to happen. | ||
| Although he'll probably get a rebooking. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That piece will probably actually. | ||
| Why would you mail books? | ||
| With little marks in them. | ||
| Little tabs. | ||
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Sure. | |
| Great. | ||
| And also, if you have those books and you've got the little tabs... | ||
| You should know what books they are. | ||
| You would think. | ||
| Especially when they are pieces of what you think is the big truth of the world. | ||
| And that is that Nazis got all their technology from aliens and the aliens wanted blood and all that stuff. | ||
| Where are you getting this from? | ||
| If you can only say the literature, you don't know what you're talking about. | ||
| You don't want to give that citation because you know that if you do, someone will look at it and be like, oh, this is a book written by a crazy dude. | ||
| This is a nonsense book. | ||
| This is a Project Camelot book. | ||
| I'm a big fan of the idea that Germans came to Eisenhower and were like, guess what? | ||
| All our technology is from aliens. | ||
| That is a good meeting. | ||
| That's a good meeting. | ||
| That's a good day. | ||
| Eisenhower, very boring man. | ||
| Bit of a teetotaler. | ||
| Has a meeting with some Germans. | ||
| Finds out aliens are real, of course. | ||
| And he's gotta take a drink. | ||
| And he's gotta take a drink. | ||
| Oh, there's no doubt. | ||
| He's off the wagon. | ||
| No, he's doing the opposite of the guy with the brown bag who's seeing all the pink elephants. | ||
| He's like, dude, brown bag me up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, I mean, that is a part of the Project Camelot alien narrative in some... | ||
| I don't know how pervasive it is, but it's fairly common. | ||
| The idea that Eisenhower signed a treaty with aliens in order to allow them to kidnap people for scientific purposes in exchange for technology. | ||
| Right, but that's a Futurama episode. | ||
| But it's also based on people actually believing that in these communities. | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| So what Alex is operating off of is sort of an artful retelling of that. | ||
| Where he's incorporating the Nazis coming in and being a part of that deal. | ||
| And maybe that's a part of people's paranormal arguments as well. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I'm not super well versed in the nuance of it. | ||
| I believe it's also Hellboy's origin story. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| That fish guy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That fish guy. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I read Hellboy years ago. | ||
| I thought it was fine. | ||
| It was fine. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So Alex gets into a bit of a jag here, trying to say that Hitler was set up. | ||
| Which we know he believes. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| The idea that, you know, all this misrepresentation of Carol Quigley's work, those sorts of arguments about, like, the globalists, as it were, or the insiders, whichever terminology the writer chooses, they controlled all sides of the conflict and manipulated Hitler into doing what he did in order to blobby-de-blue. | ||
| Just like they manipulated Alex into saying that Sandy Hook was fake. | ||
| We're going to get to that. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| But in this next clip, Alex is talking about his belief in all that Hitler set-up stuff. | ||
| And his biggest piece of evidence or his biggest argument is that bullshit story that we've talked about a bunch of times with Rudolf Hess. | ||
| About him flying in with a signed peace treaty. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Parachuting into England. | ||
| Also, by the way, bad news, it was Scotland. | ||
| But, you know, all this nonsense about his flight. | ||
| Alex talks about this, and then as I was listening to it, I realized some major problem we've never pointed out with Alex's theory, and I'll tell you it on the other side of this clip. | ||
| Rudolf Hess was the deputy fuhrer. | ||
| The guy Hitler totally loved, but you never hear about him since 1941, because they had a peace treaty with Edward VIII, who was the king of England, who was a Nazi, and who was German. | ||
| And they had a deal to stage the attack. | ||
| The French stood down. | ||
| Vichy French didn't fight. | ||
| They put Nazi occupiers in. | ||
| So, here's the thing. | ||
| We've talked a lot about the problems with Alex's fake story about Rudolf Hess having a peace treaty that would have ended World War II, but he was set up, all that shit. | ||
| Yeah, first off, his name was Rudy Hess, and it's kind of rude to call him Rudolf. | ||
| It's kind of Rudy to call him that. | ||
| I don't care to rehash that here, but I do want to point out this glaring hole. | ||
| Alex says that Rudolf House had a treaty for peace that represented a deal between the Germans and Edward VIII. | ||
| The problem with this is that Hess's flight for Scotland happened on May 10, 1941. | ||
| Now, why is that a problem? | ||
| Well, because Edward VIII abdicated the throne on December 11, 1936. | ||
| World War II didn't even start until 1939, three years after he had stepped down as king. | ||
| So he never would have actually been in a position to negotiate a peace. | ||
| This narrative is complete trash and only works if you have no idea about the basic facts about when things happened, something that Alex seems to have no grasp on. | ||
| You know, you know in your heart you cannot step down as king. | ||
| Once a king, always a king, Dan. | ||
| Uh, no. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, because he wanted to marry a divorcee. | ||
| It's like Narnia. | ||
| He wanted to marry a divorcee, and that was not done. | ||
| That was a scandal with the church. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So he abdicated the throne for that. | ||
| A couple years later, World War II broke out. | ||
| He was in no position to be in charge of the country because he wasn't the king. | ||
| He wasn't even in... | ||
| England for most of that time. | ||
| Right. | ||
| He was abroad because he was kind of a scandalous figure in England. | ||
| Yeah, and that whole narrative of like, he was actually German and all that stuff. | ||
| The royal families of most of Europe have been fucking each other for forever. | ||
| We talked about that. | ||
| Yeah, in World War I, half the countries fighting were related to each other. | ||
| Their royalty was related to each other. | ||
| Well, and if you go back to, because royalty has such like a lineage basis, you go back to a time when Countries' borders weren't what they are today. | ||
| So you have old kingdoms and stuff like that that don't exist anymore. | ||
| And so you have intermarriages of the kingdom of a part of Germany. | ||
| Modern Germany. | ||
| It wasn't Germany then. | ||
| It was the Holy Roman Empire and all that shit. | ||
| You have all that stuff that makes it incredibly complicated but easy to misrepresent. | ||
| It's fertile ground for lying about stuff. | ||
| But the reality doesn't match up. | ||
| I just think it's fucking hilarious that Alex believes in 1941, Rudolf Hess would have had a peace treaty signed by Edward VIII that would mean anything. | ||
| Like, that would actually mean anything. | ||
| Because if it were a peace treaty that was signed between them, it would have to be a peace treaty that existed. | ||
| Before World War II even started, it would have to be a five-year-old peace treaty that two years predated the outbreak of World War II, which makes no sense. | ||
| Furthermore, the king was not in control of the country. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Even if he was still the king, he didn't have the power. | ||
| Alex does talk some shit on Chamberlain. | ||
| He does talk some shit on Chamberlain. | ||
| Hey, that's fine. | ||
| But who cares? | ||
| Because this next clip is far more important. | ||
| Get that motherfucking vodka loose. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| It's fake. | ||
| I need to hear about aliens. | ||
| I'm going to take a pull off that cigar, but I don't smoke marijuana. | ||
| You're going to take a pull off that cigar, but I don't smoke marijuana. | ||
| Yeah, that cigar. | ||
| That cigar. | ||
| That cigar. | ||
| That's a blunt. | ||
| Nobody has ever turned a Swisher Sweet into. | ||
| My friend, that is a blunt. | ||
| But also, I love that it's fake vodka. | ||
| Just fucking own it. | ||
| Just fucking own it. | ||
| I mean, if you're on his show and you're doing the whole, like... | ||
| Shittily swearing at things because you're really bad at it. | ||
| You might as well say you're getting drunk too. | ||
| Yeah, why not? | ||
| Nobody's going to give a fuck. | ||
| No, the cutesy nonsense doesn't serve any real purpose. | ||
| I just think it's... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| And you're in LA probably without your family because you're going to fly back the next day or whatever. | ||
| I would say just... | ||
| What I look at it as is just, like, it's probably just bad humor. | ||
| It's, you know, the idea, like, this is fake vodka or whatever. | ||
| It's not even really pretending that it's fake vodka. | ||
| No one would believe that. | ||
| It's not saving face or anything. | ||
| Fake vodka is just water. | ||
| It's just a dumb bit. | ||
| That's all it is. | ||
| I guess our criticism is, this is a stupid fucking bit. | ||
| Grow up. | ||
| So, at this point, Joe wants to know, because Alex has presented this, when did the connection between aliens and Nazis start? | ||
| Now, you might think... | ||
| It was Tuesday. | ||
| You might think that that's a question that Alex can answer, but you'd be wrong. | ||
| He just decides to start rambling about other things. | ||
| Tell me how the connection between aliens and the Nazis took place. | ||
| When did all this start? | ||
| Let me begin. | ||
| At the beginning. | ||
| This is really... | ||
| I'm telling you, Joe, this is a real deal. | ||
| I believe you. | ||
| In the beginning, there was the word. | ||
| It's people... | ||
| Who are psychically, genetically available to interface in this incredibly diverse universe with all these dimensions above and below and all around us with consciousnesses. | ||
| And the truth is, no energy is ever destroyed. | ||
| It all continues on. | ||
| The truth is our bodies, this is a fact, are a communal hive organism of all of our ancestors and all of their race memories, but not in just some compressed epigenetic system. | ||
| It's beyond that. | ||
| It's an electrochemical antenna. | ||
| They've proven this. | ||
| It connects to higher and lower dimensions. | ||
| So our body suit. | ||
| Our families are loving us. | ||
| They're holding us. | ||
| They're wrapped all around us. | ||
| Their strength, their will, their bad, their good, their sins, the good things they did, the battles they won, the battles they lost, the woman they loved, the man they loved. | ||
| It's all in us, all these people. | ||
| It's why we're able to look into so many things and have so many different experiences. | ||
| Why does that give us more experiences? | ||
| The idea that ghosts live within us. | ||
| And they're holding you all the time. | ||
| Right, they're loving us. | ||
| I don't like ghosts. | ||
| I don't either. | ||
| I also don't like most of my family. | ||
| Not to say that I don't like my family or anything like that. | ||
| Yeah, that's what I was saying. | ||
| I don't fucking know most of my family. | ||
| I wasn't saying I don't like my family. | ||
| You go past my grandparents, who I have some serious questions about. | ||
| You go past them. | ||
| I don't know any of those people. | ||
| I've never met them. | ||
| I would like them to leave me the fuck alone. | ||
| I don't care for this idea of us being a hive organism of the sins and victories of our... | ||
| I find that, okay, Alex, if that's the case, then free will is completely non-existent. | ||
| You aren't, he's like, I love individualism, rugged individualism. | ||
| How is individualism even possible if you are a hive organism of everyone in the past? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Also, hey, I have a brother, right? | ||
| So me and my brother come from the exact same genetic line, right? | ||
| So you're saying that, are they... | ||
| No, no. | ||
| Or do they take a side? | ||
| Simultaneous. | ||
| Okay, I want to go in Dan, I want to go in David. | ||
| Is it like a divorce situation where they have to choose their favorite kid? | ||
| Or is it like a schoolyard stickball game where you're picking teams? | ||
| You know, like, you know, David goes first, obviously. | ||
| He's the oldest. | ||
| Well. | ||
| So, like, you know, whoever. | ||
| That's rude. | ||
| It is. | ||
| But you know what I'm saying. | ||
| I do. | ||
| It's nonsense. | ||
| Or do all of your ancestors split depending on how many children they are? | ||
| And then after like five generations, they've got to be split a hundred different places. | ||
| This makes no sense. | ||
| It's ludicrous nonsense that Alex has romanticized and pretended that he's proved in some way. | ||
| But we also know... | ||
| I guess he's referring to rhizome theory as the idea of proof behind it or whatever it is. | ||
| But he says it's not the epigenetic stuff. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So he's saying it's something beyond that. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Which means it's crazy. | ||
| But here's the bigger point. | ||
| We know this from listening to Alex, that a lot of this stuff goes back to religious ideas for him. | ||
| So what he's expressing seems like some sort of a trippy, far-out kind of idea, but what it really is is a piece of his religious zealotry. | ||
| And so Joe is allowing him to express these sorts of things that really are fundamental pieces of what makes him... | ||
| A religious radical in many ways. | ||
| A Christian fundamentalist weirdo. | ||
| And it's just unquestioned because he doesn't understand what Alex is even saying. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| He just thinks they're high and they're talking about space. | ||
| He doesn't realize that Alex is like... | ||
| And that's why God is controlling the world, but also there's globalists and shadow governments, but it's all under God. | ||
| He does kind of get to that in a little bit. | ||
| But in this next clip, we get another glimpse of what Alex's dad has told him about the past, and again, it's dubious. | ||
| My dad didn't tell me this. | ||
| Dentist. | ||
| Until he saw Endgame, and he said, no, son, we had virtual reality goggles, and we had CD-ROM, and we had things, and then... | ||
| Something else happened, and I'm not at liberty to get into it, but I was shown three years ago what the University of Washington was doing under Bill Gates. | ||
| And this is in the 90s. | ||
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What were they doing? | |
| Virtual insanity. | ||
| They don't even know what they're being given. | ||
| It's intravenous. | ||
| So you think it's some sort of alien intervention type shit? | ||
| Dude, to get even deeper, they turn your heart off for five minutes. | ||
| And they pump oxygen into your blood. | ||
| And you're in the meetings. | ||
| I've talked to people that are involved. | ||
| I mean, top scientists. | ||
| And you're in the meetings with frickin' aliens. | ||
| Elves is the main group. | ||
| So by shutting your heart off, it makes you have that psychedelic experience by keeping blood in your oxygen. | ||
| It keeps you alive? | ||
| Well, let's explain. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Yes, please! | ||
| The heart goes out. | ||
| The body thinks it's dead. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So you can stay in longer. | ||
| I don't know all the science behind it. | ||
| Yeah, of course not. | ||
| No shit. | ||
| No shit. | ||
| Understatement of the century. | ||
| I don't know all the science behind it. | ||
| You also don't know that Bill Gates didn't run Washington University. | ||
| He did? | ||
| No. | ||
| I saw it? | ||
| He donated a bunch of money there because his dad was an alum from there and he grew up in Washington and all that stuff. | ||
| Yes, there is an association of Bill Gates and the University of Washington. | ||
| Why did he donate all that money? | ||
| Because he was killing people for five minutes. | ||
| Aliens. | ||
| That's like a fucking teaser for next week on House. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There legitimately was an episode of House where, like, next week on House. | ||
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| Whoa! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| Yeah, there's that sort of stuff. | ||
| Now, granted, I did look into this a little bit, and I'm no doctor, I'm not a scientist, but it does seem like if you did stop someone's heart and you were able to keep blood flow to their brain, then you could keep them dead for like five minutes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's in theory possible because the difficulty is when your heart stops, it stops pumping blood and therefore there isn't oxygen that ends up going to your brain. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And if your brain doesn't have oxygen for a certain amount of time, it becomes damaged to the point where you just can't come back. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So I believe that there is a theoretical possibility that what he's talking about wouldn't necessarily kill all these people, but it seems... | ||
| Incredibly stupid. | ||
| It doesn't seem like a way that you'd have them go into meetings with aliens. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I think that there's a lot more he needs to prove, even if that is medically, hypothetically possible. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| Also, even then, but that sounds more like you're describing those I died for two minutes on the table and I saw heaven visions where it's like... | ||
| No, your brain just ran out of oxygen and you hallucinated before you died. | ||
| You didn't actually leave your body or anything like that. | ||
| And Joe pushes back on that sort of idea quite a bit, and pretty well. | ||
| I didn't include any of those clips, but it does deserve a shout-out or whatever. | ||
| And that is that when he talks about his own DMT experiences and psychedelic experiences, he's like, yes, I absolutely communicated with something. | ||
| But that's not to say that it wasn't within my head. | ||
| There's no reason to assume... | ||
| And he even says, I'll never be able to know either way. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So what's the point? | ||
| That's a good idea. | ||
| Whatever you're talking to could be a manifestation of your own subconscious. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Or any of those sorts of things. | ||
| So, like, yeah. | ||
| That has the, like, your best bet is the Schrodinger's cat kind of... | ||
| Jumping into the multiverse, where it's like, you keep shooting, you have one bullet, and you keep shooting, and you keep shooting, and at a certain point, you're actually realizing that you've jumped into the multiverse, and the only person that you could ever prove that to is yourself. | ||
| Somewhat, but I would look at it like this. | ||
| We can prove that the subconscious mind does exist. | ||
| We haven't proven that extra-dimensional beings do exist. | ||
| So when I'm presented with two possibilities, these entities that I'm talking to when I'm hallucinating are either a part of my own subconscious or they're demons from another dimension trying to talk to me, considering one of those things I'm confident is real, the other, I don't know, I think it's probably rational to err on the side of I don't know. | ||
| But if I had to choose an explanation, I would go with, it's in your head. | ||
| No wonder you believe in space. | ||
| Because my grandpa knew Wernher von Braun. | ||
| He didn't. | ||
| So, in this next clip, Alex talks about the fruits of the Bill Gates killing people for five minutes and going to meetings with aliens. | ||
| It turns out they give you technology when you're in there. | ||
| Oh, that's nice. | ||
| Now, here's a big problem for Alex. | ||
| Joe asks for examples. | ||
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Ooh. | |
| Not good. | ||
| Not good. | ||
| And it's like, the things that aliens tell them, they come out and they tell scientists and it works. | ||
| Like what kind of shit? | ||
| They didn't tell... | ||
| You get killed for this stuff, Joe. | ||
| This is not... | ||
|
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Boo! | |
| Come on, man. | ||
|
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Boo! | |
| Pass! | ||
| How would you... | ||
| You could have grabbed fucking anything. | ||
| Microwave! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Why not just go with the microwave? | ||
| Say anything. | ||
| Fucking car. | ||
| Anything. | ||
| Who gives a shit? | ||
| Anything. | ||
| Yeah, you're saying something absolutely crazy. | ||
| You might as well attribute some technology to it. | ||
| And the premise that they kill people for saying specific technologies that the aliens gave you, but not talking about the idea that aliens gave them the technology, is an absurd line for any kind of shadowy world government to draw. | ||
| Absurd. | ||
| Fucking stupid. | ||
| So now we get another childhood memory of Alex's where he overheard something that I don't believe is true. | ||
| But it turns out there was a lady who used to come over to his house when he was a kid. | ||
| Is this all about fucking? | ||
| No, this doesn't have to do with fucking. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| This one's just overhearing another... | ||
| His stories are gross. | ||
| Yeah, they're real gross. | ||
| This one isn't gross, it's just stupid. | ||
| Here's what I'm telling you about. | ||
| When I was a kid, eight, nine, whatever it was, this lady would come over. | ||
| That had known my parents since UT and was involved. | ||
| And she'd talk about, yeah, we call it the Psychedelic Research Institute or whatever the name was, but it's really a CIA deal. | ||
| And, you know, we just can't find people that can handle it. | ||
| They're going in. | ||
| The elves want this. | ||
| And the elves want us to basically reduce population and agree to these certain plans, and it's always dehumanization. | ||
| And they call them the elves. | ||
| It's the clockwork elves. | ||
| And they're like, yeah, and I'm listening to my parents who are like seven, eight years old. | ||
| They don't think you're listening, talking about, well, this is what the elves want, and this is what they're going to do. | ||
| And the thing is, it's not that special. | ||
| You go out to San Francisco. | ||
| That's all there is, dude. | ||
| It's a cult, man. | ||
| All these guys you know from San Francisco, dude, you look at the head of Google or YouTube or frickin' Apple, he's on TV. | ||
| Tim Cook and his eyes are this big under lights, man. | ||
| These guys are on stuff that nobody even knows. | ||
| What do you think they're on? | ||
| Stuff they've been given. | ||
| I mean, I know people at UT. | ||
| Jesus! | ||
| They won't tell me specifically. | ||
| Like the dude who owns YouTube? | ||
| Who's that guy? | ||
| What's his name? | ||
| Maybe it's a girl, you sexist pig. | ||
| It's a he-him. | ||
| Maybe it's a he-him. | ||
| Eddie for the win one more time. | ||
| Well, but Alex at the end there says, like, YouTube is just Alphabet. | ||
| It's just the same company. | ||
| Yeah, it's Google. | ||
| Alex doesn't fucking realize that Susan Wojcikicki has been the CEO of YouTube since 2014. | ||
| They have a CEO. | ||
| It's a fucking company. | ||
| He doesn't care because he doesn't deal with these things realistically. | ||
| If he did, he would be yelling about Susan all the time because he got kicked off YouTube. | ||
| He doesn't because he thinks, like, nah, it's just all... | ||
| Jack! | ||
| Yeah, there's like four companies who own all media or whatever. | ||
| Like, everybody has their own subsidiaries and all that shit. | ||
| But that doesn't mean that they're not companies themselves. | ||
| The companies still have their own CEOs and shit like that. | ||
| You're just owned by Disney. | ||
| But Eddie is like, who's the CEO of YouTube? | ||
| And Alex is acting like there isn't one. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that indicates to me a lack of interest or lack of knowledge about... | ||
| And hey, Eddie! | ||
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It's a woman. | |
| Yeah, I mean, Joe calls that out. | ||
| You didn't have to say that guy. | ||
| But I also think that Joe might have called that out because he does know that. | ||
| Yeah, I think he does. | ||
| He makes a lot of money off YouTube. | ||
| I think he does, yeah. | ||
| That's a business that he is deeply involved in. | ||
| He probably knows exactly who the CEO of YouTube is. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| I mean, I would say it's pretty safe to say he's in the top 1% of YouTube channels. | ||
| Yeah, I would say so. | ||
| So, obviously, he's probably met her before. | ||
| It's possible. | ||
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I would say it's unlikely he hasn't. | |
| Where? | ||
| Where would he have met her? | ||
| A meeting. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Why is the CEO in meetings with Joe Rogan? | ||
| Because he's one of their biggest money makers. | ||
| Yeah, but you have somebody else. | ||
| He makes tons and tons. | ||
| You have the director of programming. | ||
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Rogan makes demands. | |
| I want to see the CEO. | ||
| I can't imagine Rogan saying that. | ||
| So at this point, I don't think this has been a good show. | ||
| Not our podcast. | ||
| I don't think this has been a good show that Rogan and Alex and Eddie are doing. | ||
| Eddie has helped, but I don't think this is a good show. | ||
| So it made me real bummed out when Alex said this. | ||
| But I don't want to burn this out. | ||
| There's important stuff to cover. | ||
|
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Aliens. | |
| This is a good podcast. | ||
|
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Fuck yeah. | |
| But you need to drink some whiskey. | ||
| Tell me about your sponsor. | ||
| So we switch to the brown liquors. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| He's telling Rogan to drink the whiskey. | ||
| Rogan's drinking whiskey. | ||
| Alex is drinking Tito's. | ||
| Somehow that's disappointing. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Since whiskey's in the room. | ||
| Yeah, I thought the reverse would be the case. | ||
| I figured Rogan would be drinking some Tito's. | ||
| Disappointing. | ||
| Maybe Alex is sponsored. | ||
| That is an Austin vodka, right? | ||
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I have lost respect for Alex. | |
| The first time. | ||
| I thought he was a highwayman. | ||
| I thought he stuck to his principles, Dan! | ||
| Nah, turns out not. | ||
|
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Ugh. | |
| Clear liquors. | ||
| Gross. | ||
| So they talk a bit more about aliens, and it's mostly inconsequential bullshit that is so vague as to be meaningless. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But then, Joe starts speculating about the gray aliens. | ||
| The greys? | ||
| Not the greys. | ||
| What? | ||
| Is it our greys? | ||
| Oh. | ||
| What do you mean by our grays? | ||
| I mean our Project Camelot grays. | ||
| Yes. | ||
|
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Okay. | |
| All right. | ||
| It turns out Alex knows all about them. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Do you think grays are like a robot? | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| I think... | ||
| I've heard that theory that it's not a real living thing. | ||
| There's no doubt. | ||
| The idea is that at a certain point in time you can interface with that robot so that you can see it in real time through its eyes somewhere else. | ||
| Wait, so you believe in grays are real? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| This is what I'm saying. | ||
| If one day in the future... | ||
| Grays are biological androids. | ||
|
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Hold on. | |
| Okay. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I do like that. | ||
| I'm sorry I cut that too early. | ||
| He's like, hold on. | ||
| I was like, hold on. | ||
| Hold on, Alex. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| Fine. | ||
| Grades are biological androids. | ||
| Fine. | ||
|
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Great. | |
| So now, I mean... | ||
| Cool. | ||
| Are we talking... | ||
| We're deep. | ||
| I mean, we're into a Project Camelot situation here. | ||
| Yeah, 100. | ||
| The stuff he's saying is like, oh, this isn't directly in line with these space liars that we talk about all the time. | ||
| But he's doing it intentionally. | ||
| It's disappointing that I prefer Carrie. | ||
| Yeah, I do too. | ||
| It's really disappointing. | ||
| Joe Rogan's supposed to be a big deal, and I think Carrie's way better than him at this. | ||
| I think that because Joe and Eddie are laughing about stuff, that helps the pill go down a tiny bit. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| But yeah, she at least gets more information out of her desk. | ||
| Weirdly! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Weirdly, somehow she's a better interviewer. | ||
| Well, because she has an agenda, whereas Joe doesn't really. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| And he didn't know that Alex was going to get drunk and start yelling about how aliens give us all the technology. | ||
| I think he did. | ||
| But that's a strategic move that Alex is making. | ||
| Because now that they're past the rapprochement of we're friends again. | ||
| Don't need to worry about our relationship. | ||
| Don't need to worry about Sandy Hook. | ||
| I made my new lies or my refined lies clear at the beginning of this. | ||
| And now I'm going to make an angle for your listeners. | ||
| Because they may know me as like crazy conspiracy guy. | ||
| But no, I've done DMT every night because of my thick neck. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And I know everything. | ||
| I am a psychic. | ||
| I know about the Germans and the Nazis meeting with aliens that continues to Bill Gates back when he was at Washington University killing people for five minutes so they could go have meetings with aliens. | ||
| That's why IBM exists. | ||
| And I am not going to talk about Trump at... | ||
| He does talk about him later, and it's very interesting what he says. | ||
| Really? | ||
| But first, before we get to that, we find out that Alex, he already said this earlier, that he's not in the CIA, but he has to reiterate it. | ||
| But because he reiterates it, he accidentally says something that most people probably don't know what he's saying, but we do. | ||
| Let's just say this. | ||
| I'm not in the CIA. | ||
| Me neither. | ||
| I'm not in the NSA. | ||
| Me neither. | ||
| But they've been tracking me my whole life. | ||
| Do you think they give you disinformation sometimes? | ||
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Absolutely. | |
| For sure. | ||
| It was the CIA. | ||
| It was the former deputy director, basically the CIA section chief, founder of Delta Force, who got me to, like two weeks ago, Alex, you're not saying Sandy Hook's stage. | ||
| You need to go say Sandy Hook's stage. | ||
| He goes, oh, we have the people. | ||
| We're there. | ||
| And just because he was famous MIT scientist and stuff, I went with that. | ||
| So imagine they already had AI computers probably. | ||
| I'm speculating, looking way out to set me up. | ||
| I mean, I don't know. | ||
| I'm sure there's people setting everybody up. | ||
| So Joe did not respond to that well, because he doesn't realize that what Alex is suggesting is that back in 2012, they had supercomputers that could tell the future and know what was going to happen. | ||
| And so somebody from MIT, the CIA, came in and told him to say that Sandy Hook is fake. | ||
| Because Alex is clearly misspeaking. | ||
| He said two weeks ago. | ||
| I think he's trying to say two weeks after Sandy Hook or whatever. | ||
| Because two weeks ago, he didn't say that it was staged or anything like that. | ||
| That doesn't represent reality. | ||
| You know who Alex says is in the CIA? | ||
| Steve Pechen? | ||
| You know who else believes that Sandy Hook was fake and told Alex to say it? | ||
| Stevie Pechen? | ||
| You know who else has a degree in international relations from MIT? | ||
| Pechenemy Steve. | ||
| He's talking about Steve Pechenic. | ||
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Oh yeah. | |
| 100%. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| He probably doesn't want to bring that up though because Eddie Bravo likes Steve Pechenic. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| God damn it, Eddie. | ||
| He's a fan. | ||
| You are such an up-and-down character. | ||
| So there's a part of it that Alex might not want to directly attack Steve Pachanek or something like that, lest it cause ripples or an argument he doesn't want to have with Eddie. | ||
| But he's pretty clearly saying, and he's bolstering Steve's CIA credentials and stuff like that, obviously, and probably mixing up multiple people. | ||
| But the main person he's clearly talking about is Steve. | ||
| Yeah, I was listening to that thinking... | ||
| Too many of the details match up with how he characterizes Steve. | ||
| Is this another situation where we're finding one more excuse that it's not his fault? | ||
| It's not his fault. | ||
| Steve told him stuff. | ||
| It's not his fault. | ||
| Fuck off. | ||
| But again, that's just a specific example of the excuses he was making earlier in the show. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm saying. | ||
| I got bad information. | ||
| And Eddie asks him in that clip, he's like, do you think it's possible that your sources give you misinformation? | ||
| And Alex is like, yes. | ||
| And then that's one of the... | ||
| The examples of misinformation. | ||
| If you are aware that your sources sometimes give you misinformation, don't operate on the information people give you. | ||
| Any of that information. | ||
| Figure out clean information sources and then use those instead of these people who are lying to you because of their own agenda. | ||
| I do want to give Rogan credit for a Titanic. | ||
| Immediately after the... | ||
| I've been followed around by the CIA all my life. | ||
| That spoke volumes. | ||
| What is it? | ||
| Brevity is the soul of wit? | ||
| That sort of thing. | ||
| Economy of language. | ||
| Just a well-placed... | ||
| Because it is also... | ||
| That wouldn't work without the... | ||
| I'm not in the CIA. | ||
| Me neither. | ||
| I'm not in the NSA. | ||
| Me neither. | ||
| They've been following me all my life. | ||
| Such a good, such a good hmm. | ||
| It's clear he's been doing stand-up for decades. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| That's timing. | ||
| Timing is important. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So Alex is sort of pressed to the wall here by the party to give sort of, how do you know this stuff? | ||
| You're so confident about the idea. | ||
| I'm lying. | ||
| The aliens gave all these people technology. | ||
| And here's where we get back to Prometheus. | ||
| Our boy, General Albert Bert Stubblebine. | ||
| I have literally been trying to find out what's going on. | ||
| And as you get older, you figure out more stuff. | ||
| I'm not the one saying there's all these aliens. | ||
| The entire government and all of these advanced groups, that's why they've given up on space, is they're all about interdimensional. | ||
| So I didn't finish up about, and I want to get Eddie's take, then I'll get into your take, is that I've got a pretty good understanding by interviewing a bunch of people involved. | ||
| About what the master plan is and exactly who we're dealing with, because it's not just one group of aliens. | ||
| Raptors. | ||
| What's the different groups? | ||
| And what are you basing this on? | ||
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When you say it, you're saying it like you're really short. | |
| What are you basing this on? | ||
| You know about General Stubblebine, right? | ||
| No, I don't. | ||
| Okay, well, he was a major general. | ||
| He was a three-star general. | ||
| He was the head of all clandestine operations for the U.S. government for like 15 years. | ||
| He wasn't. | ||
| And he said on my show before he died at like 98 or whatever, but also in private discussions, and this is like six, seven years ago, and I was interviewing like 15 years ago. | ||
| I mean, this is the guy that ran the whole show. | ||
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Sure. | |
| You know Men Who Stare at Ghost? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| That's a joke about that. | ||
| It kind of whitewashes it all. | ||
| So this indicates, I hate this so much, and he does this a bunch on the show. | ||
| Like, when he's talking about that Investopedia article about Soros and the Pound, he's like, this is a whitewash of Soros' history or whatever. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Men who stare at goats, that's a whitewash on stubble buying because he successfully walked through walls and teleported. | ||
| Or whatever. | ||
| You can just say whatever information you can find. | ||
| You, Jordan. | ||
| Whatever information you can find is a whitewash of the reality that I've been able to find. | ||
| Now, I refuse to tell you... | ||
| Where I found that information. | ||
| I won't give you any citations on it. | ||
| I'll say it's mainstream literature. | ||
| It's in the documents. | ||
| It's declassified. | ||
| All that stuff. | ||
| But I won't prove to you anything. | ||
| I'll just say that anything that you think is real... | ||
| It's a fucking whitewash. | ||
| And that mentality is exactly what Alex was talking about at the beginning of the show as being his past mindset. | ||
| I got into this mild psychosis. | ||
| You're in it right now. | ||
| I can point you to primary sources. | ||
| I have them. | ||
| It's in all the articles. | ||
| Okay, well, the article doesn't say what you want. | ||
| That's a whitewash. | ||
| Ah, that's because they're hiding what you really want. | ||
| Fuck off. | ||
| It's a whitewash. | ||
| Fuck you. | ||
| Now, this next clip, I don't think it has much to do with anything. | ||
| But it's like... | ||
| I fucked a rabbit! | ||
| That's later. | ||
| No, it's not. | ||
| But I like to celebrate when Alex gets esoteric in a way that I like. | ||
| Like a pure kind of like... | ||
| A true esoteric. | ||
| When there's almost poetry to what he's saying. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| And this next clip has... | ||
| Like the ocean with the tree. | ||
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Exactly. | |
| The river is the tree. | ||
| That sort of shit, yeah. | ||
| The ocean is the tree that is the river. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| It seems to be these moments where he's getting... | ||
| Deeply poetic and there's no agenda to it necessarily. | ||
| Just something weird. | ||
| Just some wacky bullshit. | ||
| I think this is as close as we get on the episode. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Consciousness in the universe is an interdimensional spacecraft beyond that that looks like a comet from my research. | ||
| And it has its head, it has its corona. | ||
| That's consciousness? | ||
| Consciousness. | ||
| It carries evil in the tail end. | ||
| So consciousness has a location? | ||
| No, there is this giant consciousness that's got. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Swimming in a giant system of survival of the fittest that God has created to test God's self. | ||
| What? | ||
|
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Okay. | |
| And it looks like a comet. | ||
|
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Huh? | |
| So you've got God's conscience and all the good things, the knowledge going forward, but God knows that everybody has to be tested. | ||
| So the tail goes out, and at the end of the tail is basically evil. | ||
| That's why Christ says, get behind me, Satan. | ||
| And it's always trying to test God and infiltrate up into it to sabotage it. | ||
| That's not how comets work. | ||
| Damn. | ||
| Don't say damn. | ||
| They do pull the plug in this podcast. | ||
| It's a good way to end this motherfucker. | ||
| They're so deep into it at this point. | ||
| It's gone long, already past the three hour mark that they usually, Rogan's shows usually go. | ||
| And so there is a sense that both him, they all want to end it to some extent. | ||
| Yeah, they're all running out of gas. | ||
| We just got the consciousness is a comet and evil's the tail. | ||
| That's the like... | ||
| Call it, guys. | ||
| That's the late house party. | ||
| I gotta go. | ||
| You gotta get out of my house. | ||
| That's the mercy rule at a fucking baseball game. | ||
| It's ten to nothing. | ||
| Let's move on. | ||
| There's four ways to learn. | ||
| Someone's expressing that. | ||
| You're like, not much more to do here. | ||
| Nope, we got it. | ||
| You are gone. | ||
| From my deep research, I find that consciousness is in the shape of a comet. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Helena Blavatsky or something? | ||
| The shape of consciousness? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| He might be talking about some theosophist nonsense. | ||
| That was the fish fucking movie. | ||
| Oh, that was the fish fucking movie. | ||
| That was actually an autobiography from Alex. | ||
| Could have been. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Could have been. | ||
| Back when he was 13 and he had a 17-year-old fish. | ||
| Fish choked him out. | ||
| Made me wear gills for a while. | ||
| This is just crazy. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| I enjoy it on one level, and I enjoy Joe's sort of incredulousness about it. | ||
| Like, wait, wait, that consciousness has a location? | ||
| Well, no, it's God swimming around in the survival of the fittest prism. | ||
| Sure, man. | ||
| That's a lot of words. | ||
| Hey, yeah, so we're out of beer. | ||
| We got three left. | ||
| I'm out of... | ||
| Beer drinking ability. | ||
| Have one more. | ||
| You know, it's really time to go. | ||
| When I was 12, I fucked a serpent. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Okay. | ||
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All right. | |
| Let's do this. | ||
| So Alex talks about the consciousness being the shape of a comet, and the back part of it is evil, and that's why Jesus says, get behind me, Satan, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| Sure, that makes perfect sense. | ||
| And this leads into Alex talking about how he's a psychic. | ||
| He's already talked about how he has these DMT dreams, and so he's seen everything. | ||
| Everything. | ||
| Everything. | ||
| And so he talks about being a psychic. | ||
| And I want to say that this made me so delighted because he's talked on his own show about the idea that he saw himself getting mugged in a dream and then that dream came through. | ||
| And he does tell that story later. | ||
| But what he leads with is this. | ||
| And this made me laugh so hard. | ||
| So briefly, let me tell you what my deep research and basically vision is. | ||
| And vision just means things crystallize, epiphany. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| To talk about 12 dimensions, 11 known, 12 meaning omnipresence, so we don't say it actually exists. | ||
| What? | ||
| To say that is arrogant, so I won't say that. | ||
| But I have had dreams my whole life that come true. | ||
| And the weirdest thing, like a lady drops a thing of pickles at the store. | ||
| For five years I had a dream, and then one day I'm there and it's the woman in the pickles break. | ||
| Really? | ||
| When was this? | ||
| Particularly when I was a kid. | ||
| It was more intense. | ||
| That is fucking crazy. | ||
| So for five years you had the same dream and then one day it happened? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Was it exactly how you dreamt it? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Fuck! | ||
| I would say my response would also be, fuck! | ||
| Because Alex had a dream about a woman dropping a jar of pickles for five years if there was some sort of celestial intelligence that was granting Alex his prophetic visions. | ||
| For five years, it wasted its time telling him, eventually you're going to see a woman drop a jar of pickles. | ||
| Wait, hey, you could stop it or not. | ||
| It doesn't matter. | ||
| It's inconsequential. | ||
| They don't care. | ||
| She's not going to be charged for the pickles that she dropped. | ||
| Someone's going to have to clean it up. | ||
| I guess it'll be a mild inconvenience for an employee. | ||
| So low stakes, this psychic ability. | ||
| Universal consciousness is, it turns out... | ||
| Very petty. | ||
| It is not... | ||
| It's like... | ||
| Or trite. | ||
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God damn it. | |
| It's just nonsensically boring. | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| No one is... | ||
| Nobody knows that this lady is gonna drop these fucking pickles. | ||
| We're the universal consciousness. | ||
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Or... | |
| We gotta tell somebody. | ||
| Or... | ||
| God is a cucumber. | ||
| God could be a cucumber. | ||
| Possible. | ||
| Hates pickles. | ||
| No, well, no, the pickles are his children. | ||
| No, they're not his children. | ||
| They're bastardizations of his children. | ||
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Bullshit. | |
| It's a metaphor. | ||
| Bullshit. | ||
| They dropped the pickles because God despises the pickles. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| God wanted Alex to save the pickles. | ||
| Pickles are the fallen children of God. | ||
| God wanted Alex to save the pickles because through pickling. | ||
| The cucumber becomes its greatest form. | ||
| What do you mean it becomes its greatest form? | ||
| Much like a caterpillar going into a larva becoming a butterfly, going to the pupa stage or whatever. | ||
| You put those cucumbers in pickling juice, it becomes so much better. | ||
| You do not realize how... | ||
| God understands that. | ||
| Cucumbers are racist as fuck. | ||
| God is a humble cucumber. | ||
| Cucumbers are racist as fuck. | ||
| Pickles to cucumbers, pickles are what miscegenation is to white supremacists. | ||
| That's the only thing I would say. | ||
| We're going to have to agree to disagree on this. | ||
| I'm going to stand on this one hard. | ||
| We're going to have to agree to disagree on this. | ||
| This is the hill I die on, Dan. | ||
| This conversation makes as much sense as anything Alex is bringing to the table. | ||
| So that's a bad sign. | ||
| In this next clip, Alex talks more about his prophetic dreams, and he says something about a dream he had when he was a much younger man. | ||
| This to me was real fucked up. | ||
| This is a little bit of a longer clip, but it's because I wanted to illustrate how Alex's brain is functioning. | ||
| Which is not. | ||
| The way he's chaining thoughts together is deeply troubling. | ||
| You'll see what I mean as soon as this gets going. | ||
| And they'll use this against people. | ||
| Notice they don't touch it because it's their whole religion and they can't stand out talking about it. | ||
| I'm touching it. | ||
| By the time I was like three years old, I would have this dream that God has. | ||
| Because God knows everything. | ||
| It's just super intelligent, omnipresent, unlimited dimensions. | ||
| But God doesn't know where God came from. | ||
| So just like we're trying to find out where we came from, God is like a virtual reality simulation as well. | ||
| I want to jump in here really quick and say that I think that recently he read Scott Adams' book, God's Debris. | ||
| The guy who created Dilbert, this big MAGA guy now, he wrote this hypothetical thought experiment called God's Debris many, many years ago, when he's trying to be like, I'm not just the Dilbert guy. | ||
| He wrote this book, and it was basically the argument that God knows everything except what a universe without him would be like. | ||
| And he searches for this wisdom. | ||
| A lot of the things that Alex is describing in this three, when he was three years old, this dream he had from the perspective of God. | ||
| It's kind of similar. | ||
| When I was three years old, I had a dream for three straight years that Dilbert would be a hit. | ||
| And then it came true. | ||
| It's not one-to-one parallels with Scott Adams' book, but it's close enough that... | ||
| And I know that he and Scott Adams are friends. | ||
| Right, because Scott Adams has been on the show. | ||
| A bunch. | ||
| And so it's close enough that I think that maybe he's being influenced by Dilbert. | ||
| That's a sad sentence. | ||
| And God is constantly running every program, every operation, turning evil loose, good loose, everything. | ||
| So I would have these dreams. | ||
| But the earliest memories, like two, three years old, where I would fly out to the edge of infinity. | ||
| That's not a thing you can say. | ||
| It was a continual message. | ||
| Find out where we came from. | ||
| Find out what it is. | ||
| And it would just be this big, giant, spinning black vortex, like a black hole. | ||
| And then I would have to go into that. | ||
| Trying to figure out what was going on, and it was the same thing. | ||
| And so it's just incredible frustration. | ||
| So then growing up and dealing with things and questioning politics and questioning all these other areas, and then having dreams that come true exactly, and knowing what's going to happen before it happens, and then questioning it, and then it never being wrong. | ||
| All that weird, crazy stuff, man. | ||
| Just so much stuff where it becomes like you can't even deal with it. | ||
| You dial it out. | ||
| And then you just reach that point where you don't even know what's real anymore because it's so crazy. | ||
| But then you see, like, the mathematics of the whole system, and you know how it works. | ||
| It's not like you're some schizophrenic. | ||
| You talk about it, you deal with it, and it actually works. | ||
| It is kind of like you're some schizophrenic. | ||
| Now when you fight the system, you automatically know what to do. | ||
| Like, when you talk about something, the president, word for word, repeats, I mean, Trump, this is what freaks him out. | ||
| Word for word, whole speeches, like, whole things. | ||
| And I'm not on a power trip. | ||
| That's what they flipped out about at the CIA and everywhere else. | ||
| And they're like, well, Jones is, like, connected to Trump, and I think Trump's like an idiot savant. | ||
| What does that have to do with the speech? | ||
| Nice! | ||
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Can you explain that? | |
| Trump's speech? | ||
| I'm trying to follow you. | ||
| I don't even know. | ||
| I don't even know. | ||
| That's the thing. | ||
| It's hard to follow you sometimes. | ||
| Because you're making no sense. | ||
| Especially when you're drunk as shit and high. | ||
| He's not high yet. | ||
| He hasn't smoked any weed yet. | ||
| He hasn't smoked any of that cigar. | ||
| But he's drank a lot of Tito's. | ||
| And yeah, that's just how his tangential brain works. | ||
| Because he's chaining things and making connections where connections don't exist. | ||
| He's talking about one thing and realizing he's in over his head and not making sense. | ||
| So he connects it to something else like, I say things and then the president repeats them and the CIA is freaked out by it. | ||
| It's kind of how a kid talks. | ||
| It's really childish affect that he's expressing here. | ||
| Like, as much of a goof and a gullible weirdo as Eddie Bravo is, he's still on the level enough to be like, I don't understand what you're talking about. | ||
| What does that have to do with the subject you were talking about? | ||
| You started by talking about dreams that you had from God's eyes or whatever when you were three, and now we're talking about you and the president mirroring each other and the CIA being freaked out. | ||
| You aren't making sense. | ||
| I would really hope that if I were ever to be gifted with the... | ||
| I would come back with a bit more of a higher mindset than become a talk show host and claim that Sandy Hook is fake. | ||
| And aggressively never read. | ||
| But then say you've read everything. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| I would really hope that my mind would be expanded to the point where you would think I would be above petty human bullshit. | ||
| Yeah, you might almost become some sort of a... | ||
| Star Baby. | ||
| 2001 A Space Odyssey. | ||
| Might become a positive influence of people like, hey, leave these petty differences behind. | ||
| It's not important. | ||
| Or even then, simultaneously like a certain nihilistic impulse of like... | ||
| It doesn't mean anything. | ||
| I've been to the literal edge of infinity. | ||
| But I think Alex thinks that he's the prior version of that. | ||
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Right. | |
| Not the nihilistic version. | ||
| He thinks he's the positive. | ||
| Yeah, he thinks that he's the guy who's telling people all this stuff doesn't matter, when in reality all he does is aggressively over-inflate petty things to reinforce status quos, whether it be racial, gender-based, anything like that. | ||
| He's... | ||
| The definition of making things regressive matter. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The presentation is I'm above the right-left paradigm or whatever. | ||
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Sure. | |
| So, yeah, it's nonsense. | ||
| Anyway, this is also, this next clip, I didn't want to play this, but you kind of have to if you're going over this episode. | ||
| This is the other thing that everyone's going to put into GIFs, and I understand why, but... | ||
| I ate my grandma's foot. | ||
| I'll be honest with you. | ||
| I'm kind of retarded. | ||
| That's not funny. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| That's going to be a soundbite. | ||
| They're going to put that to mariachi music. | ||
| No. | ||
| Alex is exhaling aggressively because he realizes, like, I was going to make a point with that, but I just... | ||
| Everything is done. | ||
| I find that disgusting, even in terms of Alex, whatever he's trying to say about himself or whatever. | ||
| Just fuck off with that stuff. | ||
| He thinks he's being self-effacing and humble, and what he's really being is dismissive and fucking offensive. | ||
| What an asshole. | ||
| So now here's where we get to the tobacco. | ||
| I can say for sure, if you watch it, he hadn't smoked any tobacco before this. | ||
| I'll take a puddle of tobacco. | ||
| No, seriously. | ||
| When it comes to regular... | ||
| I have some regular tobacco with no marijuana at all. | ||
| Would you like some? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Okay, there you go. | ||
| No need for Alex Jones. | ||
| But my gut's never wrong. | ||
| It'll fuck up the show. | ||
| I want to get into all your points. | ||
| What points? | ||
| My gut's never wrong. | ||
| You said earlier that you... | ||
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I ain't got no points. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| His gut is always wrong. | ||
| He said in the beginning of the show... | ||
| He was misled. | ||
| He was all of this shit. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And then later on in the show, he says his gut's never wrong. | ||
| Well, and he says he's a psychic, which allowed him to know that someone was going to drop pickles or something like that. | ||
| But he's not psychic in a way that he could realize, oh, this CIA, MIT scientist, psyop guy named Steve Pachanek is going to mislead you and completely destroy whatever you were doing. | ||
| He doesn't have any of the important instincts. | ||
| Whatever he has, like, he thinks, like, my gut's never wrong, the evidence on the table is his gut is always wrong. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But whatever he feels is, like, he doesn't take into account these other things where his instincts have led him deeply, deeply astray, repeatedly. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And that seems to me like, you're just not, they're not saying anything. | ||
| It's like he's describing the worst X-Men power you could have. | ||
| Like, I, look, I'm a mutant. | ||
| I have these psychic powers, but they're all cucumber-based. | ||
| That is my gift. | ||
| And then Professor X is like, cool, cool. | ||
| You can work in the kitchen of the school. | ||
| That's great. | ||
| We've always been afraid of what's going to happen when you pickle things too much, so come on down. | ||
| I mean, I still think there's a use for that as a mutant ability, but it would just be more like admin. | ||
| Well, in the kitchen. | ||
| In-house. | ||
| You're not useful fighting Magneto. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Unless Magneto is on a pickle jag. | ||
| True. | ||
| Or you can make magnetic pickles. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Ooh, that'd be fun. | ||
| Now we've created a new... | ||
| Hey, Marvel, hit us up. | ||
| I just saw that trailer for Dark Phoenix. | ||
| Could have used a magnetic pickle guy. | ||
| Could have used a magnetic pickle guy. | ||
| What is Jean Grey going to do against a magnetic pickle guy? | ||
| Fucking nothing! | ||
| She's going to be confused. | ||
| Fucking nothing. | ||
| So at this point, Alex gets high. | ||
| And he gets high pretty quick. | ||
| And Joe asks him about a conversation that they had off air. | ||
| And this is bullshit. | ||
| Whatever he was telling Joe before they started is bullshit. | ||
| And the way he's presenting it on air is also bullshit. | ||
| I don't want to be like, my life is not Sandy Hook. | ||
| Tell me what you were telling me earlier, that you were actually, even before all this happened, you were planning your exit strategy. | ||
| You get weary of this. | ||
| Yeah, and it's not like I'm afraid of the fight, but I'm 45, and I've had a long, adventurous life, so I'm probably like 60. That doesn't make sense. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But I do believe that he had to have been thinking about cashing out. | ||
| At some point. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| But I also don't believe that it was before the election. | ||
| Fuck no. | ||
| From what we witnessed from looking at 2015, there wasn't a part of him that was eager for the fray. | ||
| He was all in. | ||
| What happened is after the election, he realized, uh-oh, I've committed to something too hard. | ||
| And also, I have nobody who can take over the operation and I can get a piece of continuing if I retire. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So he's put himself into a completely negative situation. | ||
| But it does suit his mythology and it's beneficial to him to make it look like he wanted to quit before all this started. | ||
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Of course. | |
| Before all this victimization by the globalists really kicked into overdrive. | ||
| And that's what he's presenting here. | ||
| And... | ||
| I was already, like, I wasn't sure about Trump or whatever. | ||
| I was a really bad feeling when he got elected. | ||
| Not that he was bad, just like, oh, the war's about to start. | ||
| You were laughing at people crying. | ||
| And then I was already planning to kind of face things out just because I don't want to, like, die when I'm 55 of a heart attack. | ||
| And the fact that they attack me so much makes me have to battle and fight and never give up. | ||
| And so it's not like they even wore me down before they ever, they kept me in the game. | ||
| I want to explain it. | ||
| They kept me in the game attacking me and lying about me. | ||
| Because now I'm well out. | ||
| I've now become what I was worried about. | ||
| Now I dream about this stuff. | ||
| So that's bullshit. | ||
| He always dreamed about this stuff. | ||
| You just liked that a white dude was... | ||
| Fuck off. | ||
| He got reinvigorated by a clearly white supremacist leaning guy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Had a chance to win. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And he's like, oh, I'm all about this. | ||
| But now the consequences. | ||
| The chickens have come home to roost and you don't like it so much because people are like, hey, dick. | ||
| We put up with this for a long time, and now it's unsustainable. | ||
| Now you're a problem. | ||
| Sorry, we should have done this a long time ago. | ||
| Should have dealt with you, but you were just a goofy fucker who was lying about everything in a fine way. | ||
| And now you are a systematic piece of upholding a system that is killing people. | ||
| So, I mean, there was just a report recently about people, like Children B, He's a part of defending that. | ||
| He's a part of defending Bolsonaro in Brazil. | ||
| He's a part of defending now the regime change in Venezuela. | ||
| He's a part of rationalizing Trump doing this dumbass... | ||
| Publicity stunt bullshit in North Korea that only helps Kim Jong-un. | ||
| Like, he's a part of defending these things that are really dangerous. | ||
| And I understand that, like, the foreign policy of the United States wasn't great before or anything like that. | ||
| It's worse now. | ||
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Meh. | |
| I'm not gonna go to bat for American foreign policy in... | ||
| Nor am I. I'm not even going to go to bat for the American fucking revolution as American foreign policy. | ||
| I'm going to take it conditionally. | ||
| I would say that one of the biggest differences is a steady hand. | ||
| Or at least the appearance of a steady hand. | ||
| I think that that does have a marked difference in how you're presenting things. | ||
| And the absence of that is deeply chaotic. | ||
| And it allows a lot of bad actors to take advantage of that. | ||
| And I think that Alex is a huge part of mainstreaming, even before the election and the lead-up to the election, mainstreaming and normalizing a lot of those ideas that now have grown beyond him. | ||
| Like, they're now on Tucker every night, or Hannity is all on board with that stuff. | ||
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Absolutely. | |
| In a way that they weren't necessarily before. | ||
| Well, in the way that they had to hide. | ||
| Right, exactly. | ||
| They believed all this shit, but they had to... | ||
| It's not part of public discourse. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And, man... | ||
| Alex helped make that a part of public discourse. | ||
| Hell yeah, he did. | ||
| And so, I don't know. | ||
| I mean, if you want to duck the consequences, fine. | ||
| Not fine. | ||
| No, I mean, I understand it. | ||
| Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You can't. | ||
| In the same way, you can't duck the consequences of what you said about Sandy Hook. | ||
| I don't care if you're saying it now. | ||
| You did. | ||
| You did then. | ||
| You had millions of listeners. | ||
| You knew what kind of influence you were having on people. | ||
| So it doesn't matter. | ||
| Whatever you want to do now doesn't matter. | ||
| The damage is done. | ||
| So when he's talking about all this bullshit, like, I wanted to quit, I don't want to have a heart attack when I'm 55, all this stuff. | ||
| That's just his mythology. | ||
| That's rationalizing where he is now. | ||
| He's pretending all of these attacks that are coming against him just come out of nowhere because he's using the straw man version of these attacks in order to be like, hey, all these people, they attacked me in the way that I perceive these attacks to be coming and that made me stay in the game. | ||
| And the media false flagged me in order to... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So he doesn't talk that much about Trump. | ||
| But he does say this in the next clip, which is not as strong as Trump shoves ISIS up his dirty asshole, but it's not far off in some ways. | ||
| I wanted to say this, I'm going to say it because this is so powerful. | ||
| I don't dislike Donald Trump. | ||
| And I think he's done some good things on trying to do peace and trying to get jobs back to America. | ||
| But I hate Donald Trump. | ||
| Because I got behind him because I knew Hillary was bad. | ||
| And then he became my identity. | ||
| He's not a bad guy. | ||
| But the truth is, I hate him more than Hillary Clinton. | ||
| Because he's who I am now. | ||
| And whatever he does is who I am. | ||
| I am not with Donald Trump. | ||
| I'm with America and freedom and everything else. | ||
| And I'm not throwing him under the bus to get George Soros on my back. | ||
| Though they're already after me for the reasons I'm not with them. | ||
| I'm not against even Trump. | ||
| But I get in a fight like this that's so dumbed down that then, no matter what I do, they take my radicalness, my weirdness to hurt Trump. | ||
| But then all it does is radioactively attack me. | ||
| I don't know how to describe it, but it's like Trump is breaking my legs every day. | ||
| And it's not like I'm not willing to go through the pain, except a lot of what he says I don't agree with, and he's not my identity. | ||
| Sandy Hook's not my identity. | ||
| You're talking from your own personal perspective, and I appreciate that. | ||
| I don't know how many people actually think that he's your identity. | ||
| I do. | ||
| I do. | ||
| You know why? | ||
| Because Alex did that. | ||
| Alex is complaining about the end result of his actions. | ||
| He's complaining about people perceiving him as, like, Donald Trump is my identity, when for years all he did was get on his show and do everything possible to muddy the water and defend indefensible things that Trump was doing. | ||
| It's like, hey, you know, it's great. | ||
| Nationalism, hurrah! | ||
| It's not communism, whoop-dee-woo! | ||
| Like, all that shit. | ||
| The idea that he's like... | ||
| He made his fucking bed and he refuses to lie in it. | ||
| That is what's going on. | ||
| Sandy Hook isn't my identity. | ||
| Donald Trump isn't my identity. | ||
| Then why did you behave the way you did? | ||
| That is the problem. | ||
| Your behavior is what led to this. | ||
| If you hadn't said that everyone at Sandy Hook were actors and you hadn't caused that pain, you hadn't done that, no one would say you did. | ||
| That is absurd. | ||
| No one would do that. | ||
| I wouldn't do that. | ||
| I treat Alex Jones the most fairly that anybody ever does. | ||
| Yeah, it's disconcerting at times. | ||
| For someone who hates him as much as I do and studies him and takes this much time about him, I am overly fair with him. | ||
| And I would never characterize him as acting the way, like, saying that Sandy Hook is a part of his identity if he hadn't have made it a part of his identity. | ||
| I would never say that Trump is his identity. | ||
| He just said... | ||
| If he hadn't... | ||
| He branded himself that way intentionally. | ||
| I was going to say, he's... | ||
| Okay, okay. | ||
| So, for three years, non-stop, I talked about how great Trump was and how close I was to his camp. | ||
| I talked to him all the time. | ||
| I talked how great he was and everything that he did is what I want to do. | ||
| How we had a fucking mind meld and now people think that I'm just the Trump guy? | ||
| Right. | ||
| This is like Carrot Top being like, I'm fucking pissed off that people think I like... | ||
| Props. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Dude, that's your career. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Fuck you. | ||
| Carrot Top might have told some one-liners before he discovered the prop act that took him to the main level, like headlining level. | ||
| And yeah, Alex, you did have... | ||
| A career that was based on other things before Trump, but it certainly turbocharged your career and you ran with it intentionally. | ||
| That was your gimmick. | ||
| You accepted that gimmick and you now have to accept that you did that. | ||
| To deny that is pathetic. | ||
| Either that or you have to admit that you did it for money. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And you didn't believe a fucking word. | ||
| Well, now that would be an interesting thing to do because it would... | ||
| Give a little bit more credence to these, like, I don't want this to be me. | ||
| I just accepted this because of crass considerations. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| But that would also undermine all of his other positions. | ||
| Right, of course. | ||
| But it would be... | ||
| It's the only way that works. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's the only way what he's presenting works. | ||
| It's like, get the fuck out of here with your, like, I don't want people to think that that's my identity. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That is your identity. | ||
| That's your identity. | ||
| Because of you. | ||
| Go fuck yourself. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| So... | ||
| He's high. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| You can tell. | ||
| You can tell. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, for sure. | ||
| But the fact that he did get high so quick does kind of give me some, like, yeah, maybe you don't get high but once a year. | ||
| No, he doesn't get high. | ||
| Yeah, so it's like, if you're getting that fucked up that quick. | ||
| You probably don't smoke weed. | ||
| I definitely believe him that he doesn't smoke weed. | ||
| And he does talk about how weed makes him anxious and paranoid and stuff like that. | ||
| As someone who has the same response to weed, I totally understand. | ||
| I've probably ingested marijuana through edibles and stuff like that three times in the last... | ||
| Three years. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Or something like that. | ||
| I'm not against it. | ||
| I loved it when I was much younger, but it has an effect on me now that I don't enjoy. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So why would you do it? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| It's stupid. | ||
| I'll drink and what have you, but I understand that. | ||
| The idea that Alex is like, I don't smoke. | ||
| And to be fair, if I were in a situation comparable to Alex being in a studio with Eddie Bravo and Rogan, I probably would also smoke. | ||
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Oh, of course. | |
| I understand. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| If the stakes were as high as what Alex is dealing with right now. | ||
| I probably wouldn't smoke, but I get... | ||
| It doesn't seem like a good idea to fuck up your headspace while at the same time being sued by Sandy Hook victims. | ||
| But I think he thinks he's navigated that territory successfully, and now we're into the fun part of the show. | ||
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Right, right, right. | |
| No, that's fair. | ||
| So I get that. | ||
| I'm not coming down on him. | ||
| I think it's a dumb idea. | ||
| No, smoke him if you got him. | ||
| I'm cool with him. | ||
| I wouldn't do it just because I would rather this be fun. | ||
| This experience with my friends and what have you. | ||
| As opposed to me getting real weird. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And like, huh. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| It's like how some people react on getting dug with high or whatever it is. | ||
| There was that episode of the Jack Black. | ||
| I got too high! | ||
| I got too high! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And you're like, well, then this is a terrible thing that you did. | ||
| Yeah, it's... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Foolish. | ||
| Anyway, in this next clip, like I said, he's high. | ||
| And he should be responding to that with like, maintain, be cool. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Instead, he responds this way. | ||
| What is inside your back? | ||
| Do you have more tobacco? | ||
| I do have more tobacco, but I'm just... | ||
| Can I have a little bit more tobacco? | ||
| Yes, for sure, 100%. | ||
| Can I have a little bit more of an addictive personality? | ||
| He's in the middle of the show. | ||
| Give me more weed. | ||
| I want to get fucking higher because I think I'm killing this. | ||
| I think I am knocking this out of the park and I want more weed. | ||
| Could I be a better example of my own lack of self-control? | ||
| And your complete enabling personality? | ||
| Yeah, no kidding. | ||
| Now, again, I think it would be interesting if Joe Rogan was doing this as a setup. | ||
| I think that would be fucking fascinating. | ||
| As Alex would describe it, Machiavellian. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because, like, yeah, get him really fucked up. | ||
| He's gonna say crazy shit. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But to be fair, the craziest shit that he said was when he was early parts of drunk. | ||
| Just... | ||
| Just drunk? | ||
| A couple glasses of Tito's in. | ||
| He's talking about Native Americans being easy to mind control. | ||
| That's a fucked up thing to say. | ||
| He's talking about his grandfather being uber-mentioned and stuff like that before any of the weed comes in. | ||
| So all that is just like, you're on ground that you're comfortable being on. | ||
| You drink a bit. | ||
| It's super weird, our show, in that... | ||
| What he said earlier, we've just kind of moved on from. | ||
| Well, we have to. | ||
| And then you're like, you brought it up again, and I'm like, wait, he really did say that Native Americans were susceptible to mind control. | ||
| Genetically. | ||
| Genetically. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
|
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That's the end of the show. | |
| You know, like, okay, get out of here. | ||
| Go, go, go. | ||
| Get going. | ||
| Get going. | ||
| Instead, Joe just said, hmm. | ||
| Huh. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Which is why this isn't good. | ||
| As an exercise. | ||
| You know, it's just not a good thing to do. | ||
| This sort of show. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And I'm fucking positive if we paid as much attention to other episodes of Rogan's show as we do the ones that Alex is on. | ||
| Right. | ||
| There'd be more than enough fucked up stuff. | ||
| I guarantee that probably is pretty universal. | ||
| Man. | ||
| So Alex puffs a little more tobacco. | ||
| He's got a really popular show, right? | ||
| Super. | ||
| That's unfortunate. | ||
| He just likes ideas. | ||
| So Alex puffs a little more tobacco. | ||
| A little bit of this. | ||
| Shout out to Joe McAdam doing a little bit of this. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| Sucking tiny dicks. | ||
|
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A little bit of this. | |
| A little bit of this. | ||
| One of the great bits. | ||
| New faces. | ||
| Joe McAdam. | ||
| One of the best. | ||
| So Alex gets into a weird headspace and he starts talking about racism. | ||
| And most of it is super unimportant. | ||
| He's just saying that he isn't a racist. | ||
| And it's stupid that anyone says that he is a racist. | ||
| This is a big piece of his defense. | ||
| Let's wrap this up. | ||
| No, we need to wrap it up, but I gotta make this point. | ||
| I don't know what it is. | ||
| How was I getting into that? | ||
| Oh, the racism thing. | ||
| Oh, you're a racist. | ||
| It's not about... | ||
| I know I'm saying something so simple. | ||
| Everybody's like, yeah, you told me grass is green. | ||
| Martin Luther King, like, it doesn't matter what color someone is. | ||
| It matters what they stand for, what they do. | ||
| I go to restaurants... | ||
| That can be owned by Koreans or black people or white people, whatever. | ||
| If the food's good, like music. | ||
| I love Jimi Hendrix. | ||
|
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He's a black guy. | |
| But if the food sucks? | ||
| Then I hate it. | ||
| But it's not because they're white or because they're Hispanic. | ||
| Of course. | ||
|
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So I don't... | |
| Joe, I know I'm saying... | ||
| Dude, you've been sitting next to a Mexican for three hours. | ||
| I 100% believe you. | ||
| You totally love Mexicans. | ||
| I do too. | ||
| Mexican food. | ||
| Do you notice that long pause there? | ||
| That was because Alex was like, what are you talking about? | ||
| He doesn't realize that Eddie Bravo is Hispanic. | ||
|
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| He has no idea. | ||
| Rogan is saying, like, I know you're not racist. | ||
| You've been sitting next to a Mexican for three hours. | ||
| No, his name is Bravo. | ||
| He's Italian, right? | ||
| Wait. | ||
| You sit. | ||
| Wait. | ||
| I don't think that that pause is Alex being like, I can't believe I sat next to a Mexican for three hours. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I'm not saying that. | ||
| I know. | ||
| I know you're not saying that. | ||
| And I just want to be clear. | ||
| It's just him being like, I don't understand what you're saying. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I don't get. | ||
| Because he can't process anything. | ||
| He's fucking so drunk and high that, like, I'm not playing a ton of clips from the end of this episode because it is so disastrous. | ||
| It's just them wanting to end the episode and the natural rhythms are over. | ||
| And then Alex being like, no, let's talk about this. | ||
| I got one more thing to say. | ||
|
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Let's talk about this. | |
| Eddie, what do you think about this? | ||
| And, like, trying to use Eddie as a prop in order to start a conversation. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, it's trash. | ||
| It's awful. | ||
| But there is something that ends up being discussed that I think is very important, and it's this. | ||
| I've been piledrafted. | ||
| Somebody piledrived you? | ||
| What happened? | ||
| How old were you? | ||
| I was about 13. How old was the undertaker? | ||
| Somebody piledrived you in your head. | ||
| Did it change your personality? | ||
| I got up and punched him in the throat, and they had drunken on me. | ||
| I was dead. | ||
|
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Wow. | |
| What? | ||
| So was it a friend of yours? | ||
| It was like the state wrestling champion, middleweight. | ||
| And his cousin or something in Dallas was like this, like, you know, got me down. | ||
| I was never starting fives, man. | ||
| These people. | ||
| Here's the thing. | ||
| I'm not a victim of racial attacks. | ||
| I'm not like Jeffrey or Jesse Smollett. | ||
| You literally said that you were the victim. | ||
| Because I fought rednecks and I got my leg broken, you know, by... | ||
| So this guy piled you on your head when you were 13. Yeah. | ||
| What did it do to your personality? | ||
| I had to fight his whole family. | ||
| Well, fight most of his family. | ||
| It was a damn danger. | ||
| But do you have any significant change from that head injury? | ||
| Sometimes when people have head injuries, especially it seems like young people. | ||
| You know, stuff just got better after that. | ||
| Really? | ||
| That's pretty good timing! | ||
| Joe's all serious! | ||
| It's like, dude, we've got to get to the root of this. | ||
| That's good timing. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| That's happened to a lot of folks. | ||
| So Alex says at the end there, I am brain damaged, there's no doubt. | ||
| So I guess we can take that as a curiosity we've had and put a checkmark in it. | ||
| And we definitely get rid of the probably there. | ||
| Yeah, but the... | ||
| No, because that guy didn't die. | ||
| But that might be the person that Alex is talking about who had medical complications later that died. | ||
| It's possible. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But we can't put a definitive... | ||
| Didn't he say that he had a tracheotomy and then died? | ||
| No, almost died. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Almost died. | ||
| All right. | ||
| He didn't say he died. | ||
| But the other thing there is that this needs to be fucking crystal clear. | ||
| Joe is being like, that's good timing. | ||
| When Alex is saying... | ||
| Like, his response is like, how did your personality change? | ||
| He's like, it was all good from there. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I don't think that was a joke. | ||
| I think it was Alex responding, like, in a dismissive kind of way to be like... | ||
| What he's asking me is a threatening question in some ways. | ||
| Because if I recognize the fact that I got pile-driven on concrete when I was 13, how did your personality change? | ||
| Because that is a very common thing that happens with severe brain trauma or head trauma. | ||
| Alex says, I think it's a dismissive answer that Joe is taking as a joke, and it's not a joke. | ||
| Now, I want to tell you this. | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| The pile driver is actually a move that's banned by the WWE. | ||
| Here we go. | ||
| Because if it's not performed right, the odds of it killing or paralyzing someone are really high. | ||
| For instance, at SummerSlam 1997, Owen Hart delivered a botched pile driver to Stone Cold Steve Austin and broke his neck in the middle of the match. | ||
| Thankfully, he was able to get surgery and recover from that, but it pretty much guaranteed that Stone Cold's career would be cut way short. | ||
| Most doctors who generally aren't thrilled to be asked to comment on this sort of thing agree that the pile driver, if it's delivered in a real-world scenario, would almost definitely break a person's neck and would very likely immediately kill them. | ||
| The direct downward force would cause your spinal column to completely compress. | ||
| So the odds of you not, at very least, ending up paralyzed are very, very low. | ||
| What Alex is describing is a situation that it doesn't... | ||
| Match with, like, the idea that you stood up and then punched the guy. | ||
| I don't know if this is true. | ||
| It seems like it's not true. | ||
| Or at least the narrative of it seems not true. | ||
| He might be combining two stories. | ||
| Well, and in his world, it is almost certainly exaggerated. | ||
| Even if the sequence of events that he's describing happened, it wasn't that he got full-on pile drive. | ||
| Right. | ||
| More like he got thrown or whatever it is, and he's then describing it as a pile driver. | ||
| In order to give everybody the mental image of what he survived and bounced back from in a superhuman way, he got pushed to the ground. | ||
| But whatever it is, it's a dangerous thing to be bandying about. | ||
| I think that anybody who talks about real fights in the real world, I think you have a responsibility. | ||
| Especially when a pile driver comes up, say, don't do that to people. | ||
| You have a real good chance of killing them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Don't do that. | ||
| No, his argument would be, don't do that to people because they might stand up and then punch you in the fucking throat. | ||
| Well, that's Alex's angle. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| What an idiot. | ||
| So even if you accept his preposition, or his preposition that he got pile driven and then punched this guy in the throat, caused a tracheotomy, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| Even if you accept that. | ||
| Let's imagine. | ||
| Let's stipulate that that's true. | ||
| What he experienced at 13 is an intense trauma. | ||
| Because this guy is the state wrestling champion or whatever. | ||
| He's a wrestler. | ||
| He's a muscly guy. | ||
| There's a lot of weight to him. | ||
| So when you pile drive someone, part of the compression part of it is their weight coming along with your weight falling down and knocking your head into the ground. | ||
| So the idea is it's someone... | ||
| Who would be able to deliver that with a ton of impact. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But the idea that an actual state wrestling champion, not a professional wrestler, would deliver a pile driver seems silly. | ||
| It kind of does. | ||
| Like, he would use wrestling moves. | ||
| You know? | ||
| He would get you in a full Nelson. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| He would choke you out or do any number of things. | ||
| He wouldn't be like, I saw the Undertaker do this. | ||
| Like, fuck off. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It is weird. | ||
| But anyway, even if you believe it's true, then what you have to come away from that is, Alex, that is crazy. | ||
| That is a trauma that people don't go through. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, but this, every bit of information we have about Alex's childhood from this, and basically every story he's ever told about his childhood, is that same... | ||
| That same sympathizing thing that you hear from so many serial killers' childhoods, where it's like, I experienced nothing but nonstop trauma until I was, and then I started killing people, and so we stopped sympathizing with you. | ||
| But for him, it's like, there's literally nothing that you can describe his childhood as other than a near nonstop combination of statutory rape, fucking... | ||
| Goddamn mind control games by his dad, and then now physical fucking violence. | ||
| This dude is fucked up! | ||
| And emotionally threatening situations that he's in, whether it be believing that someone's parent was trying to induct him into a satanic cult, or any of these things. | ||
| Like, completely... | ||
| No boundaries situations that he finds himself in. | ||
| And I want to make this super clear because this is important. | ||
| I don't think I necessarily believe any of the details that he's saying. | ||
| But if you take him at what he's saying, if you believe him, then this is a really, really... | ||
| The portrait that he's painting of his younger years is exactly the recipe for someone... | ||
| Who needs help. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's not somebody who's funny. | ||
| It's not somebody who has interesting ideas. | ||
| You can laugh at how crazy he is. | ||
| None of that stuff. | ||
| And if you don't believe him, that's even kind of weirder. | ||
| Because then it's someone who's lying to try and create the image that their childhood was the sort of thing that would require decades of therapy in order to get you to be able to integrate this information into a healthy life. | ||
| I don't know what you're getting out of bragging and embellishing these stories that are deeply fucked up. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I just want to make clear that I don't believe this stuff just because he's saying it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm not getting tricked by some sort of a goof or whatever. | ||
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Right, right, right, right. | |
| But if you do believe it, this is very serious. | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| See, the way that I'm treating this is I don't believe the details of what he's saying. | ||
| But I do believe in the overall trauma of what he's experienced. | ||
| The feeling that he's expressing behind the maybe warped details. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| He didn't go to some senior in high school's house in a Mercedes and get inducted into a satanic cult by killing Nonc. | ||
| I don't think that that's true. | ||
| But I do think that something... | ||
| I mean, it's entirely possible that he was a young person at some sort of a church that was a little bit weird or whatever, and they wanted him to join the youth group or something like that, and he's repurposed that story. | ||
| Whatever emotions he felt threatened in that... | ||
| In that moment when they're like, you should be a part of our group. | ||
| I think you have a lot to offer. | ||
| That's entirely possible. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I think we drift into the possibility of irresponsibly psychoanalyzing him. | ||
| I think what you're saying is appropriate. | ||
| But then if we get more specific, it's bad. | ||
| Whatever he's describing is probably a general feeling that he had that does describe trauma. | ||
| The details, who fucking knows? | ||
| Whatever happened, this guy was traumatized. | ||
| Whatever his details are, are secondary to the fact that he is describing a very real trauma that he experienced, regardless of, you know, like, this is the type of shit that you would be hearing in group, you know? | ||
| Or you'd be hearing in a biography of a guy who's on death row. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, it is. | ||
| It's deeply troubling stuff. | ||
| I don't know why Alex would want that to be his backstory if it's not true. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Maybe his life is just super boring. | ||
| I mean, I guess he could be, from a very crass standpoint, I guess that he could be trying to elicit sympathy. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Look at how fucked up my childhood was. | ||
| But then I don't understand why you would pass it off as bragging, though. | ||
| Sympathy in an aggressive way, which is weird. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| I don't know. | ||
| It all kind of goes out the window after I heard this next clip, though, because it's just masculine posturing, a lot of it. | ||
| Like, at its core, like, a lot of those stories, even the ones about, like... | ||
| I was 12, I was fucking the 17-year-old. | ||
| There is still a macho posturing behind it. | ||
| Yeah, again, it's the high school kid who fucks his teacher and everybody gives him a high five and you're like, no, that's deeply fucked up. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And so this next clip was gross. | ||
| Any given time if somebody's a regular guy and I would never start a fight, they'd kick my ass. | ||
| Like the average 150-pound guy would probably kick my ass. | ||
| But when, like, a bunch of people are coming after me, it's like... | ||
| Darth Vader. | ||
| And Darth Vader, notorious for being good in a street fight. | ||
| And when I was a kid, I learned right away the first time I bashed somebody's head into the concrete when they attacked me, I got hired in hell. | ||
| That's gross. | ||
| That is... | ||
| Two problems with that. | ||
| So many problems with that. | ||
| Well, many. | ||
| But the two problems I'm identifying is, he said the first time I bashed someone's head into the concrete, which implies there was a second. | ||
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Oh yeah. | |
| Not just that one time I did. | ||
| And then the second thing is, I got higher than hell. | ||
| I got the equivalent of a drug experience off causing pain to somebody. | ||
| By bashing someone's head into a concrete... | ||
| I felt so alive. | ||
| I felt like I got to an elevated state by causing this pain. | ||
| That is... | ||
| David Wong wrote a book called Futuristic Violence in Fancy Suits. | ||
| I've heard of that. | ||
| I really love that book. | ||
| And the main villain in that book is just the essential avatar of toxic masculinity. | ||
| And his huge deal is just... | ||
| By this violent, bullshit masculinity ideology that I have, I feel the juice. | ||
| I feel the adrenaline high. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| And that's greater than any feeling in the world, and I'm destroying the weak in order for the true super society to be built entirely around the adrenaline high. | ||
| It's like crank. | ||
| Yeah, it's just fucking disgusting. | ||
| It is just... | ||
| But I'm sure that that book is a parody to some extent, right? | ||
| No, but he's the villain. | ||
| The point is they're going through all... | ||
| He's being described and his actions are such that it cannot be more obvious that this is toxic masculinity at its worst. | ||
| And Alex is embodying that to a deep extent. | ||
| To a deep extent. | ||
| I don't know what to do with those sorts of things. | ||
| It really is tough because... | ||
| I mean, I don't know. | ||
| There's a world that exists, and it might be the world we're living in, where Alex is making all this up. | ||
| Yeah, entirely. | ||
| And he may never have bashed somebody's head into the concrete. | ||
| He talks about it a lot. | ||
| We've heard him talk about it a bunch. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So, like, it's possible he's making that up. | ||
| If he isn't, he's describing taking great pleasure from doing it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Which I fucking hate. | ||
| If he's making it up... | ||
| He's making it up in service of saying that he got great pleasure from it, which I also hate. | ||
| Because that's also a part of his brain. | ||
| Then he's imagining what it would be like to bang someone's head on the concrete and thinking, I probably would get really high doing that. | ||
| I probably would get a fucking charge out of that. | ||
| There's no way around that that doesn't describe someone who is deeply disturbed. | ||
| Even if it's in self-defense, I understand punching somebody if they're coming at you, or whatever. | ||
| I'm not going to... | ||
| I hate violence in all its forms, but I'm not going to sit here and say, like, self-defense is bad or anything like that. | ||
| Well, if you're a Christian, there's that whole turn-the-other-cheek part. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Look, I don't want to litigate that. | ||
| It's not important to me. | ||
| I know, I know. | ||
| I'm just pointing out that. | ||
| I don't think there's any circumstance where you're banging someone's head into the concrete that is justifiable violence. | ||
| I don't believe that. | ||
| And then... | ||
| Imagining or having the response that you get high and enjoy it is just you're a monster. | ||
| Absolutely disgusting. | ||
| Real or not, you are a real or not monster. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| And that means you're a monster. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| You're gross. | ||
| We're enough years into this where it does kind of seem as though, or at least I feel like I have a certain handle on when Alex is... | ||
| Making something up whole cloth. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And when he is exaggerating something that did happen. | ||
| When there's a kernel behind it. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| There is something, to many of these stories, trauma did happen. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I don't know the details. | ||
| It's not the same as when he's making something up and he's like, my grandpa was German, I don't want to get into it. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| I don't want to get into it. | ||
| That's making something up. | ||
| If it was completely made up, there would be either the, I don't want to get into it. | ||
| And I'll leave it as, like, a tease. | ||
| Or the hyper-detailed, like, I gave this, I... | ||
| Smashed this guy's head into the concrete. | ||
| I remember because he was wearing a no-fear t-shirt and blue jean shorts and, you know, there would be those hyper-specific details that kind of tell you, oh, you're just fucking making this shit up. | ||
| He's done that on some occasions with some of his violent stories on his own show, but he's not doing it here on this episode. | ||
| But this next clip, I think, is really important, and that is that, like... | ||
| He's telling these really fucked up stories and is refusing to take any kind of ownership of the idea that they're fucked up. | ||
| He's just... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's insane. | ||
| And it's also insane to hear this clip after he... | ||
| Like two clips prior, I believe, he said, I'm brain damaged. | ||
| There's no doubt about it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When the kid dropped you on your head, what effect did it have on you physically? | ||
| It was by the field house because his cousin attacked me and I beat him up. | ||
| And so the state wrestling champ, there's like a senior, comes and goes, oh yeah, he slammed around. | ||
| And he got up when my head was bleeding like he'd won. | ||
| And I punched him in the neck and broke his, and then the tracheotomy almost died. | ||
| I was like, yeah, he almost killed me. | ||
| He slammed me in the ground, my head's bleeding, all these stitches right here. | ||
| And then he couldn't believe when I got up and said, well, you died. | ||
| He couldn't understand, like, the energetic. | ||
| Equivalence. | ||
| He couldn't understand being the nail. | ||
| You don't understand being the hammer. | ||
| He didn't understand that. | ||
| And then they took me to jail. | ||
| They let me go. | ||
| I'm not some tough guy. | ||
| The point is, I'm getting killed. | ||
| I'm going to fight back. | ||
| And so Dallas was like... | ||
| So what happened to your head after that? | ||
| I mean, I... | ||
| I lost it. | ||
| Nom! | ||
| I never even got knocked out in that one. | ||
| He slammed my head in the ground. | ||
| And I remember, like, everybody made the joke because the concrete cracked. | ||
| It was, like, on the edge of the concrete. | ||
| He pal-drapped me right into the concrete and, like, split my head way up. | ||
| And this is her story. | ||
| And I remember just getting up. | ||
| It was, like, slow motion pushing right in the neck. | ||
| And the ambulances and the police came. | ||
| That was that story. | ||
| Did you go to the hospital? | ||
| No, they took me to jail for that. | ||
| But then they let me go. | ||
| They didn't check your head? | ||
| Did you tell them you got pile drive? | ||
| No, they sewed it up. | ||
| They sewed it up in the jail? | ||
| But they didn't, like, check to see if you had a severe concussion or anything? | ||
| Subdermal hematoma, no. | ||
| That's fucked up. | ||
| I mean, I don't know if any of that's true, but that's fucked up. | ||
| What he's presenting is super fucked up. | ||
| I don't believe the concrete broke. | ||
| I don't believe his head was split open. | ||
| Any of that stuff. | ||
| Because the force that would be required for either of those things to happen would probably kill him from that maneuver. | ||
| You know, it's just... | ||
| It's just hero story embellishing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But he's presenting a story where he didn't go to the hospital, they didn't check him for a concussion, he just went to jail, they sewed him up and then let him go. | ||
| If that is the reality, this is a huge turning point in his life. | ||
| Yeah, even if... | ||
| Like, he's broken. | ||
| Even in the 80s, which is around when this would be happening, even then... | ||
| You would still at least go to the hospital if you were bleeding profusely and required stitches. | ||
| So the story being that he went straight to jail, it suggests otherwise. | ||
| It kind of does. | ||
| It kind of suggests that he's making up a little bit of this whole it was entirely self-defense thing. | ||
| I mean, maybe. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| It's impossible to parse the details. | ||
| No, of course. | ||
| It's not important. | ||
| Who gives a fuck? | ||
| Fuck him. | ||
| He's telling these stories and there's a lot of this hero story nonsense. | ||
| And earlier we heard him talk about this 17 year old he was fucking around with when he was much younger who choked him out. | ||
| That was the first time he got choked out. | ||
| But it turns out him and his friends used to choke each other out for fun quite a bit. | ||
| I did that though. | ||
| I've heard this from a lot of people. | ||
| This was not part of my childhood but I've heard it a number of times. | ||
| This clip is so fucked up, because he's talking about it, and then he fakes crying, talking about the memories of being choked out by his friends for fun. | ||
| Didn't you say that when your friends would choke you out, you'd have these long dreams? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I remember being in junior high, 6th, 7th, 8th grade, because I got choked out a couple other times, and I finally stopped. | ||
| And there'd always be guys like, it's incredible. | ||
| We'd do this during lunch, and we'd go back, and someone would press on their arteries. | ||
| And the bad times we hit your head, but it'd be like, one time, like, I remember this one time, they choked me out, and almost said it was like a black knight with a sword, goes, and like attacks me on this horse. | ||
| And then like, it went, and then I was like in England, thousands of years ago, and I had this wife and these kids, and it was a whole lifetime, like, taking care of them, and like growing food, and like, a kid starved to death and died. | ||
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And it was like, just those moments were like whole lives. | |
| Dead kids, everything. | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| You're like, you dial into all those ancestors. | ||
| And it was like my kids. | ||
| And kids starving to death. | ||
| And like, people attacking us. | ||
| So you think all that information from your ancestors is somehow or another encoded somewhere in your body? | ||
| It's definitely encoded, Joe. | ||
| That's so fucked up. | ||
| I mean, here's what I will say. | ||
| I'd love to hear what you'll say. | ||
| So this wasn't a thing. | ||
| When I was working at God Camp, I was around 15 or so, and it was God Camp. | ||
| So I was there for a full month or whatever, and I was living in these little cabin bullshits with other people around my age, some of whom brought this whole thing up. | ||
| The choking out thing? | ||
| The choking out thing. | ||
| And I remembered... | ||
| I remember doing it, and one time, I do remember this feeling of, like, I woke up and I felt like I had lived an entire different lifetime. | ||
| Like, I remember there being a different thing, or whatever it was. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Not gonna cry about it. | ||
| I've heard that from people before, like, whether it's, like, some... | ||
| Specific hallucination that you have or waking up from being choked out with a euphoric state. | ||
| I've heard that from people who are into S&M and that sort of play within sexuality. | ||
| A lot of people do like to get choked out. | ||
| There's a pleasurable experience in a controlled environment that people can have. | ||
| And I'm not going to judge that. | ||
| I am going to judge Alex being ostensibly a political commentator. | ||
| At least that's how he presents himself. | ||
| Coming on Joe Rogan's show, now in hour five or so of the show, pretending that there's some sort of esoteric spiritual truth to him and his buddies choking each other out, and then him having a vision of his children starving to death and living as a farmer, and fake crying. | ||
| It's insane. | ||
| I understand Joe not wanting to rock the boat, but his response being like, You really think that people are, you know, like your ancestors. | ||
| That's your ancestors. | ||
| And Alex would be like, you bet it is. | ||
| Like, there's so many points when you should hit the eject button. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Of this, like, I'm sitting across the table with a lunatic. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I thought that we had a friendship. | ||
| He said he was going to politically hang me up like a pig and slit my throat. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Which I don't know how you could politically do that to Joe Rowe. | ||
| Politically. | ||
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Politically? | |
| Politically. | ||
| We made peace with this long conversation on the phone that we had. | ||
| He pretended to apologize for Sandy Hook. | ||
| I didn't realize he was lying to me through most of that. | ||
| We've had a very weird conversation that has gone a bunch of places. | ||
| Now he's high, and he's telling me about all this brain trauma that he fucking had from when he was younger. | ||
| And now he's talking about how everyone used to choke him out, and he loved it, and it connected him with his ancestors. | ||
| I don't fucking... | ||
| I would just be like... | ||
| I wish there was an opportunity for him to actually have... | ||
| I wouldn't say backbone. | ||
| That's not right. | ||
| Because Joe is a... | ||
| He has backbone. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If he wanted to, he could have pushed back against Alex exactly how he should have. | ||
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Right. | |
| It's not that he's a coward or anything like that. | ||
| I'm not saying that. | ||
| He doesn't have the wherewithal. | ||
| He doesn't have the presence or the motive to do that. | ||
| And he should. | ||
| Because what Alex is describing... | ||
| If left unchecked, appears to be normal or heroic or funny. | ||
| Any of those three things. | ||
| Those are the three possibilities that you walk away from this with. | ||
| What Alex is describing is a deeply, deeply fucked up situation. | ||
| And you don't have to call it bad, but you don't have to allow it to be presented as normal, heroic, or... | ||
| It's just not acceptable. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| This is just not acceptable. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| So we have two more clips, and they are just Alex super high, drunk, and trying to talk politics a little bit. | ||
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Oh, no. | |
| Because he recognizes that they want to end the show, and he said he wanted to end the show two hours ago. | ||
| But he also wants to keep it going, because this is the only way he gets people to look at him. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| There's hundreds of thousands of people watching that he doesn't have access to otherwise. | ||
| He needs it. | ||
| And he wants to keep it going, which is why we've gotten to the point we've gotten to already. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So he says these next two... | ||
| This is like when you're doing a show, and after the headliner goes up, the host tries to do another ten minutes. | ||
| Do another set. | ||
| And you're like, that's not... | ||
| No. | ||
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No. | |
| You're holding people hostage. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And Alex is holding Eddie and Joe hostage to a certain extent, because they're very polite. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Almost to their detriment. | ||
| Actually... | ||
| To their detriment. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, they don't come off looking terrible. | ||
| I know that Joe could have done better. | ||
| And actually, I'll get to that at the end of the episode. | ||
| But I have some very serious things I need to say about him. | ||
| But before we get to that, Alex says some fucking dumb things about politics. | ||
| Or at least his political positions. | ||
| The first one is about the LGBT community. | ||
| Trans people in particular. | ||
| Alright, he shouldn't be talking. | ||
| No. | ||
| And this position, I think, is disgusting. | ||
| And probably one of the worst stances you could have. | ||
| Other than Alex's other stance that is all trans people are pedophiles. | ||
| Which, that is the worst position. | ||
| This, slightly better, but way on the worst side. | ||
| This is terrible. | ||
| Because I don't care if you're a trans or you're a dude that wants to be a woman. | ||
| Literally, I'm a libertarian. | ||
| Don't act like I'm trying to suppress you. | ||
| The Japanese said, hey, you don't get the trans designation unless you chop the Johnson and the huevos off. | ||
| It's like, hey, taxpayers will pay for it. | ||
| You get that vagina built, and you sit there and do it. | ||
| So there's two problems with that. | ||
| Just two? | ||
| Well, I'm sure there are more, but two that I want to highlight. | ||
| One is that he seems to think that trans women are the only people who exist. | ||
| Because he only talks about these issues in terms of chop your dick off. | ||
| Because that's the only way that he can understand. | ||
| Because if you have a pussy, then I get it. | ||
| If you have a pussy, then we're in. | ||
| Who doesn't want to be a man? | ||
| We're all cool then. | ||
| Because I understand it then. | ||
| So that's fucked up. | ||
| That is exclusionary and erasing the entire existence of trans men or people all over the gender spectrum that aren't exactly what he believes is what's being talked about. | ||
| Second, I find this very repulsive. | ||
| The idea that trans people need to get surgery in order to prove it. | ||
| That they believe, you know, like, whatever. | ||
| Like, hey, if you don't get surgery, you don't mean it. | ||
| That kind of thing is exactly what Alex is describing as his positions. | ||
| If you're not willing to chop your dick off, then you don't mean it. | ||
| And I'm very staunchly opposed to the idea of people setting whatever standard, quite frankly, of proving your identity. | ||
| That idea of you are this. | ||
| Great. | ||
| I'm libertarian. | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| I'm not judging you. | ||
| At the same time, I don't... | ||
| Oh! | ||
| Oh, you could have... | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| That's where it goes back. | ||
| There's a period at that sentence. | ||
| There's a period that could have been at that sentence. | ||
| Semicolon! | ||
| If you have to add the semicolon, then you're already wrong. | ||
| You're invalidating the first clause by including the second clause, which is, you need to get surgery for me to validate your identity. | ||
| It's fucking awful. | ||
| It's a disgusting, cancerous position. | ||
| You can't say, I'm a libertarian. | ||
| Don't think I'm oppressing you. | ||
| And then say, the only way I will acknowledge you is if you do what I tell you is my benchmark. | ||
| I mean, he presents it as, like, I believe the Japanese model. | ||
| I'm not sure that is the Japanese model. | ||
| Who cares? | ||
| Other than trans people in Japan, who, if that is the Japanese model, they're getting fucked over! | ||
| They're being oppressed! | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Whatever the case is, I don't care. | ||
| I don't like this. | ||
| He's just expressing something that is... | ||
| I'm a libertarian. | ||
| I believe this. | ||
| Also, here's why I don't actually believe this and I don't care about freedom. | ||
| So, cool, man. | ||
| Cool. | ||
| Your bigotry shines through. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Even as you try and express, I'm not a bigot. | ||
| I don't care if you're white or black or whatever, but white people and Japanese people are smarter than everybody. | ||
| Fuck off! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Fuck you! | ||
| God! | ||
| It is such, like, I would prefer it. | ||
| I would genuinely prefer it if he just said, I think trans people are gross and I don't understand it. | ||
| They're weird. | ||
| I'm threatened by them because I love masculinity so much. | ||
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| I can't imagine somebody voluntarily relinquishing masculinity as if that's even a fucking thing. | ||
| My worldview is dependent on this sort of... | ||
| This bifurcated system. | ||
| And there's a power balance that is intrinsic within it based on classical norms. | ||
| And anything that subverts that is fucking weird to me. | ||
| There's an authority system to it. | ||
| And it's the only way my brain works. | ||
| And I fucking don't like it. | ||
| Men should dominate women. | ||
| Well, some men actually identify as women. | ||
| and they don't necessarily always need to get surgery in order to identify as women. | ||
| They can present as women. | ||
| That's still a totally valid thing. | ||
| And it's something that everybody should respect and care about. | ||
| Who do I oppress? | ||
| All trans people. | ||
| Fuck you. | ||
| Because if you just said it was gross and weird and I don't like it, then we can have a conversation. | ||
| But if you hide behind it as though, well, see, for me, there's a benchmark. | ||
| Fuck you! | ||
| It's the reason that he jumps from A to B to C to D to E in conversation so much to disallow you to have a conversation about point A. It's the same sort of thing. | ||
| He has to just... | ||
| Make non-existent points in order for you to, like, you're the bull chasing the red flag that he's waving around. | ||
| God, that's so fucking... | ||
| I'm so sick of it. | ||
| If he were to just come out and say what he means, which is exactly what you're saying, which is the, I think this is gross. | ||
| It threatens my worldview. | ||
| I'm scared of this. | ||
| I don't know what to do with it. | ||
| Cool, let's talk. | ||
| Why are you afraid? | ||
| He's the matador about to get hit by the bull. | ||
| And he knows it because his position sucks. | ||
| He's the matador who hasn't trained or whatever. | ||
| He's a sitting duck. | ||
| He knows that that position is bad. | ||
| That's why he has to use the red cape of whatever dumb narratives he has. | ||
| It's the thing that all of these people do when they're talking about the LGBTQ community. | ||
| It is always this idea of like, if I were to say my real issue, which is that I'm grossed out and I don't understand it, then the conversation becomes, why? | ||
| Why do you feel that way? | ||
| And that is something that they can't handle because then they'd have to wrestle with, oh, it's not that they're having a problem. | ||
| They're not having a problem. | ||
| I am. | ||
| And I, because of my problem, am making their lives worse. | ||
| Once they have to deal with the why do you feel this way, it all falls apart. | ||
| I think 50-50 on that. | ||
| Because I think on some emotional level, they recognize that what they would have to... | ||
| Why do you feel that way? | ||
| Because I have a privilege that is, oh no, I had to admit that I'm privileged! | ||
| Unpacking that suitcase or whatever is something that they're unwilling or unable to do. | ||
| And it does make good sense to never open that bag. | ||
| If you can find some sort of a way to make sure that... | ||
| That is never the conversation. | ||
| Distract from... | ||
| So the why, they know why. | ||
| They're distracting from having to talk about that with other things that are external. | ||
| Because if they admit the why, they would have to then confront the reality. | ||
| Or they'd have to give an answer. | ||
| And they'd have to accept that it's actually their problem. | ||
| It's the same thing with Alex obfuscating this whole fucking time about this alien shit that he's talking about. | ||
| And then finally pressed to it, he's like, do you know General Stubblebine? | ||
| It's like, that's the unpacking of the suitcase. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's like, that's what you don't, that's the conversation you don't want to have, because now you've laid your cards on the table, that's why you believe this alien shit. | ||
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| Like, oh no, we know double buying. | ||
| Don't, don't, come on. | ||
| Come on, guy. | ||
| Come on, guy. | ||
| Your argument's bad. | ||
| I know, I know in high school, there was a kid who... | ||
| Was just very gradually... | ||
| All he did was he started signing his name on papers as... | ||
| And that was the way she came out. | ||
| And most people didn't even notice it. | ||
| Most teachers didn't even notice it. | ||
| But it's such a powerful thing for her to have just done that in a way that is... | ||
| It's just amazing. | ||
| I would never have had that courage. | ||
| That's incredible. | ||
| Because it welcomes so much horrible things into your life. | ||
| The possibilities of the bullying and whatever people will do. | ||
| She took control of her identity in a way that is more powerful than anything I could hope to do. | ||
| It's incredible. | ||
| And Alex diminishes all of that with his stupid bullshit arguments. | ||
| So he can go fuck himself. | ||
| And whatever. | ||
| Now, not whatever. | ||
| I didn't mean that to be dismissed. | ||
| But in this next clip, Alex now brings it into the conversation of race stuff, which we've already heard. | ||
| He loves Korean food, which is great. | ||
| But this, I think, is one of the crassest things I've ever heard. | ||
| I don't judge things by money. | ||
| Black people, because that was really a big story at the time. | ||
| Stop now. | ||
| Stop now. | ||
| It came out because I'd seen the footage. | ||
| I was watching live and saw him take a dead body out of this black lady. | ||
| I said, it's a black lady. | ||
| And what the hell? | ||
| This woman was like, they were like, oh my God, he cares about black people. | ||
| Yeah, man, I care about whatever the color they are. | ||
| I mean, it was that moment. | ||
| They were like, oh, just bought product. | ||
| I feel like I should give you context, but also allow you to live in that gross space where he's like, oh my god, he likes black people, and they all bought product. | ||
| That's how his brain works. | ||
| That's what he's expressing here. | ||
| And he started that clip by saying, I don't go off of money, and then the end result of it is, they all bought product. | ||
| Which isn't it awesome that I show some sort of compassion towards a black, and all of a sudden black people buy products from me? | ||
| Weird. | ||
| So what he's talking about is that woman who drove her car into a barricade at the White House and she was shot and had a kid in the car. | ||
| And it is a fucked up situation, but it wouldn't have happened if she hadn't driven her car into the barricade. | ||
| I don't know all the details of that situation, but I do think it's super fucked up that Alex is bringing that up as evidence that he cares about black people based on all the other stuff we know about him and what he thinks about. | ||
| Let's bring the one black woman that Trump hired to a fucking... | ||
| Cohen? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Great. | ||
| You did it. | ||
| You solved fucking racism. | ||
| You racist pile of fucking garbage. | ||
| It's a mess. | ||
| How goddamn dare you say that? | ||
| Look, we all knew it. | ||
| We all knew it. | ||
| That the reason was purely money motivated. | ||
| But... | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| And I think that that's one of the reasons why I decided to end on this clip. | ||
| Because that's not the end of the episode. | ||
| There's another good five, seven minutes or so where they're just like, how do we end this? | ||
| Or whatever. | ||
| Who needs to listen to that? | ||
| Click. | ||
| Press stop record. | ||
| Go listen to his five hour episode if you want to hear the actual end. | ||
| That's the end to me. | ||
| When Alex is saying, it's crazy. | ||
| I just... | ||
| I made a... | ||
| Like, conspiracy about this black person who was the victim of something and then bada-bing, black people bought my shit. | ||
| Let's refer you back to the clip that no living black person has ever experienced as much racism as Alex has experienced from black people. | ||
| I believe he also has said that he's the new Martin Luther King at various points in his career. | ||
| So, we come to the end of this and, like, I don't... | ||
| First of all, we're four and a half hours into the episode. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| So, hey, everyone who has complained about our short episodes, go suck a lemon. | ||
| But second, I didn't want... | ||
| That was vindictive. | ||
| It was a little bit, but I do take that very personally. | ||
| I know you do. | ||
| It's okay. | ||
| Because I feel like we always go too long and then we get complaints it's too short. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Anyway, my point is I didn't want to do this episode, but now at the end of it, I'm glad we did because we had a lot of fun with various things. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But I don't think that this was good. | ||
| And I don't think more attention should be drawn to it. | ||
| And I do recognize the sort of hypocrisy of it to a certain extent, that we're doing an episode about it while saying no one should pay attention to this. | ||
| It's a hard line for us to walk. | ||
| The very concept of our show is we cover Alex Jones, which... | ||
| By necessity means we have to bring attention to Alex Jones. | ||
| So when Alex Jones does a stunt in order to get attention, we have a certain responsibility to cover it while at the same time we recognize that we are, in a way, participating in the very thing that he desires. | ||
| I guess it's less an issue of, like, you shouldn't cover him, period. | ||
| It's more you should cover him in appropriate context. | ||
| Dealing with what he's saying is what he means as opposed to what he wants you to cover. | ||
| Which I hope. | ||
| I think we do. | ||
| I have some questions about this episode. | ||
| If only because of that pro-wrestling vagueness of like, I don't fucking know what he's lying about here. | ||
| I don't know how much of this is blustery bullshit. | ||
| So, there is a part where we're taking, there's a little bit of faith on our end of, like, should we care that he's talking about basically being statutorily raped by abusive women repeatedly? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Should we care about that? | ||
| I mean, I think we should. | ||
| He's saying it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But, is it a lie? | ||
| Is it a machismo-related lie? | ||
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| I don't fucking know. | ||
| We deal with him by whatever he's presenting and you do the best you can. | ||
| Unlike Alex with Steve Pchenik, we do not trust blindly our source of Alex Jones. | ||
| True. | ||
| And then I think the bigger issue is the conversation about Alex is kind of moot to some extent because we know him from his works for years. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is just Alex really fucked up on a show that he knows Gets way more traction than he does. | ||
| And he's trying to appeal to Joe's audience for the most part. | ||
| Like, all this alien dumb bullshit. | ||
| Nazis talking to aliens in meetings. | ||
| I know it from my dad who did teeth cyborgs and all that shit. | ||
| DDS David. | ||
| All that stuff. | ||
| You get where his angle is coming from. | ||
| I'm disappointed in Rogan to a very serious degree. | ||
| I understand why he did what he did. | ||
| He presents it as coming from a human perspective of like, I love you, you're my friend. | ||
| I want to give you a fair reading. | ||
| And I recognize that you only lashed out at me because we weren't in communication and you felt like you were on the outside and I was rejecting you or something like that. | ||
| I think that that's a dishonest portrait of what Alex did to him. | ||
| I think that... | ||
| I think on one level, he is being way too accepting and embracing of Alex's behavior, which falls under that heading of enabling. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, Alex lashed out at him in a way that, if not planned, like, I don't think that they planned it together, because that would be too much conspiracy. | ||
| They definitely didn't plan it together. | ||
| No. | ||
| Alex planned it. | ||
| It was artificial. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| But Joe's response to it, if not planned, is the worst thing you could do in these circumstances. | ||
| It is allowing Alex to behave the way he did in the lead-up to this, with the stunt aspect of it, like, I'm gonna hang you up like a stuck pig, slit your throat politically, all this shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, all that nonsense. | ||
| Like, he allows him to behave that way, no consequences, and then Alex gets exactly what he wants, which is... | ||
| He steamrolls five hours with Joe's audience. | ||
| And Joe's audience will think this is one of the most epic episodes ever. | ||
| Because Alex is talking about the Nazis having access to space stuff. | ||
| They have contracts with aliens. | ||
| Alex can't back any of that shit up. | ||
| Alex's grandfather is a Nazi. | ||
| He was in with Wernher von Braun. | ||
| He can't back any of this stuff up. | ||
| It's not things he talks about normally. | ||
| At least not in more vague language, possibly. | ||
| But this is him posturing. | ||
| Joe has allowed him, essentially, to come in and wreck shop. | ||
| He has just allowed him to come in and be like, I'm not the guy you think I am. | ||
| I'm fucking weird. | ||
| Aren't you interested in how weird I am? | ||
| He's poached his audience. | ||
| Not all of them, but he's poached enough of them that it'll probably give him the blood infusion that he needs with his inability to get new people in. | ||
| He's taken the dumb people who listen to Rogan, who don't know about Alex, and fed them into his marketing machine. | ||
| He's given him the transfusion that he needs to keep things going for a little bit. | ||
| And that, I think, is a pathetic act. | ||
| I think Rogan, whether his intentions are pure or not, he got played. | ||
| He got played by a pro. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| This is boiling down to two realities. | ||
| One... | ||
| Rogan knows that Alex was playing him. | ||
| I think he might not have wanted to accept it, but yes, I think he probably knew. | ||
| Either he knows that, and he allowed it because he knew also that it was a thing, that people would come to his show. | ||
| So either it was crass on his part as well, or Rogan got fucking played. | ||
| Like, there's no other option to look at this. | ||
| Either... | ||
| I steer towards the latter. | ||
| I have to steer towards the latter. | ||
| If only because of how... | ||
| I want to give Joe the benefit of the doubt. | ||
| That's not what I'm operating off of. | ||
| I'm operating off of how Joe behaved on the show. | ||
| Like I said, there are clips that I didn't play where he's talking about how, like, this is the Alex I know and love. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like, I wanted people to see this version of Alex that's fun and we're laughing, we're having a good time. | ||
| That sort of thing. | ||
| The version you're describing is a manipulative piece of shit! | ||
| I think that he doesn't recognize that so many of the things that he thinks are funny about Alex are the tools that Alex uses to manipulate. | ||
| Like the idea of him talking a mile a minute and jumping from A to B to C to D to E. All that stuff is a tool that Alex uses to manipulate people into thinking he knows what he's talking about. | ||
| At the same time, Rogan hears that and he's like... | ||
| This guy knows a ton of shit. | ||
| And he's funny. | ||
| Like, he just says shit that's funny. | ||
| I don't... | ||
| I think he's... | ||
| I just think he's a gullible fuck. | ||
| And that tracks with all the other guests he has. | ||
| I know! | ||
| That's what I'm... | ||
| That's why I'm leaning towards the latter as well. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It does seem like Joe is coming from a good faith position. | ||
| And he doesn't realize that Alex is not actually his friend. | ||
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| And he should have listened to me when I was Joe's dad and told him that people who lie to him to his face are not his friends. | ||
| If only. | ||
| If only. | ||
| And also, Eddie Bravo is dumb as shit, but still probably saved this episode. | ||
| The hero. | ||
| He probably saved this episode. | ||
| I agree 100%. | ||
| If it had gone longer with just Joe and Alex, it probably would have been a mess. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Getting him in there as a rogue variable really made this close to listenable? | ||
| Anyway, I hate this. | ||
| I hate this show. | ||
| I like our show. | ||
| But I hate this episode of his show. | ||
| I think it's trash. | ||
| I think Joe is wrong. | ||
| Regardless of his intentions. | ||
| Could be great. | ||
| Could be coming from a place of wanting to save a friendship. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| I think this is garbage. | ||
| Amateur-ish nonsense. | ||
| He's allowing Alex to say all sorts of things that are indefensible on his show, and he has no idea why they're indefensible. | ||
| And that's the problem. | ||
| That's the problem. | ||
| That's probably the problem with his entire show. | ||
| He's like, hey, I just like to talk to interesting people. | ||
| We have this fun time having these conversations. | ||
| That's cool. | ||
| You're infested with manipulators. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You have people with an agenda who aren't having a conversation with you. | ||
| That's the problem. | ||
| They're having a conversation with your listeners and you're watching. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| You're having a conversation with Duncan Trussell, Ari Shafir, Joey Diaz, Tom Segura. | ||
| These people, you guys are just spitballing ideas about the news. | ||
| Maybe you guys say some stuff that's pretty fucked up. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| That is what you want the show to be. | ||
| Then you introduce it to being like, that same standard is held with... | ||
| People like Alex, people like Jordan Peterson, Myo Yiannopoulos, Sam Harris, these people coming on, Dave Rubin, Candace Owens, these kinds of people who are propagandists, these people who have an agenda, they aren't there to have a good time and fuck around and then whatever conversation happens, happens. | ||
| They're there to push something and they exploit your position of like, I'm just a guy who likes to have fun talking with people. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And that is, like, here's what I... | ||
| Joe, if you're listening, go ahead and text me if somebody... | ||
| I'm in the phone under Dad. | ||
| If somebody should be your friend, and I will tell you, hard yes, hard no. | ||
| Very simple. | ||
| Alex shouldn't be your friend. | ||
| Hard no. | ||
| The problem is that his principle or whatever he thinks the show is, is good. | ||
| And it's a good idea. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| He has people in who are subverting his format. | ||
| In order to push something that he doesn't want to be associated with but he becomes associated with. | ||
| Now, the extent to which he's a willing participant in that or a victim of it, I don't care. | ||
| I have no idea how much that is the case. | ||
| Either way, the proof of the pudding is in the eating and the response and the end effect is that negative messages get reinforced, negative messages get perpetuated, and go unchallenged. | ||
| And that is what we've seen on this episode. | ||
| And so I would like to end this by saying, Joe Rogan, get better. | ||
| And Alex, get help. | ||
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Or, Joe, come on, man. | |
| And Alex... | ||
| That's kind of what I'm saying. | ||
| Alex, hope you die, bro. | ||
| Like, that's... | ||
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I hope you don't have a heart attack by 55. Kind of do. | |
| I hope you have a heart attack by 45. So, he's already 45. Well, there's still time. | ||
| Good month. | ||
| Anyway, this is a podcast. | ||
| We have done it. | ||
| This sucks. | ||
| We did it! | ||
| This is so long. | ||
| We have a website. | ||
| We do have a website. | ||
| It's knowledgefight.com. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| We also have Twitter. | ||
| It's at knowledge underscore fight. | ||
| We are on Facebook. | ||
| We are on Facebook. | ||
| We have a group called Go Home and Tell Your Mother You're Brilliant. | ||
| Please join it. | ||
| Also, we're on iTunes. | ||
| We're on iTunes. | ||
| We're on Overcast. | ||
| We're on Dog the Bounty Hunter next week. | ||
| Is that still a show? | ||
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No. | |
| Okay, well then we're not. | ||
| Everyone hates gun shows. | ||
| Then we are not on that show. | ||
| No. | ||
| But please download, leave a review, etc. | ||
| Tell your friends, maybe. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| This might be terrible. | ||
| And I would also like to say, now that we're done. | ||
| Ha ha! | ||
| Surprise, people who listened! | ||
| Bonus! | ||
| No, it's not a bonus. | ||
| It's a qualification. | ||
| There will be some criticism of like, hey, you didn't cover when Alex said this! | ||
| Or whatever. | ||
| I think I said this at the beginning of the show. | ||
| I don't give a fuck. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| We could not cover... | ||
| All right, all right. | ||
| We couldn't cover the entire five-hour episode without doing ten hours. | ||
| Yeah, I was going to say, we covered... | ||
| We covered the stuff that mattered. | ||
| We covered overall the clips probably less than an hour, would you say? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And we did about four and a half hours. | ||
| I would say that we covered, like, bulk of the actual show. | ||
| Actually, I have it here. | ||
| An hour worth of actual audio from the show. | ||
| So one-fifth of the show. | ||
| But then I would also welcome people to say, if you think we didn't cover something that you think is important, ask yourself, is it something we've covered on our show a bunch of times? | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's a good question. | ||
| If it's not, ask yourself a second question. | ||
| Does it matter? | ||
| If you're new to the show? | ||
| Start from the beginning. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then good luck. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Start from the beginning and take two years to listen to it because if you mainline it, there is some trouble. | ||
| Yeah, don't do that. | ||
| It could happen. | ||
| Anyway. | ||
| We love you. | ||
| I would say that Eddie Bravo is a choke-out specialist. | ||
| But I don't think he's killed anybody. | ||
| I think we would have known if Eddie Bravo had killed anybody. | ||
| I would hope we would know. | ||
| I think it would be in the news. | ||
| I would hope the authorities would know. | ||
| I would say that Alex has described almost killing a guy in this episode in great detail. | ||
| And that's not what I'm interested in. | ||
| Because he has also technically, probably, actually killed somebody. | ||
| Alex Jones, you're a murderer. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first time caller. | ||
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I'm a huge fan. | |
| I love your work. |