Knowledge Fight - #270: The Rogan Return

March 1, 2019 - Knowledge Fight

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#270: The Rogan Return

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#270: The Rogan Return dissects Alex Jones’s drunken, erratic claims on The Joe Rogan Experience—from Sandy Hook denials to race-based mind-control theories—while exposing his performative apologies and baseless conspiracy rants about Nazis, aliens, and government shadow programs. Jones’s unhinged assertions, like Soros orchestrating economic collapses or Bill Gates funding alien heart-stopping experiments, go unchallenged by Rogan, who instead frames him as a misunderstood friend. The hosts mock his trauma narratives, political hypocrisy (e.g., transphobic "libertarianism"), and manipulative storytelling, concluding that Jones’s return only reinforces his role as a harmful, attention-seeking provocateur rather than a credible voice. [Automatically generated summary]
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alex jones

infowars 40:33

dan friesen

02:46:54

joe rogan

09:39

jordan holmes

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Speaker	Time	Text
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Thanks for holding.
unidentified		Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm a first time caller.
unidentified		I'm a huge fan.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I love your work.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I love you.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Hey, everybody.
		Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
		I'm Dan.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm Jordan.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We're a couple dudes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Oh, Jordan.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Dan!
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Jordan!
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I should tell you that this is an interesting instance where we have an actual novelty novelty beverage.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Indeed, we do.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		People always want to know what our novelty beverages are.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And usually it's, you know, like an IPA that we've drank a bunch of times.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's not novel.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, we've run out of different IPAs at the liquor store, and they don't have anything other than Bud Light after that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's not novel.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's not novel at all.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But today we've got Kickstart by Mountain Dew Energizing Watermelon.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And I can report happily, this tastes terrible.
		Yes.
		This is garbage.
		We're getting sponsors.
		Fuck you, Mountain Dew.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We're recording in the middle of the day.
		Indeed.
		Thus, we need a nice kickstart of hydration and watermelon.
		Oh, yeah.
		Anyway, I'm sorry.
		Did you have a question?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I was just going to ask you if you've ever lied about how much money you make.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Or inflated your self-worth.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't think so.
		I think I've only deflated it.
		Yeah, even when I've made next to nothing, I still feel like ashamed.
		I feel ashamed that I've made like $20,000 a year at a job or something like that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I can pay my bills.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I actually make nothing.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
		No, I don't think I've ever lied about making more.
		Yeah.
		I mean, you know, you live 30-something years.
		I bet there is a time I did, but I can't think of what.
		Like, maybe back when I had a paper route, I might have lied and said, like, I make $40,000 a year.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I started my own paper in order to have a paper route.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That might be a stretch too far, but yeah, something like that.
		I might have said, like, I make $200 a week or something like that, when in reality, I was making nothing.
		That's possible.
		I don't know.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't think I've ever lied.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't think I've ever lied.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		About anything.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		About anything.
		I'm just not a liar.
		I buy it.
		People know me as a straight shooter, Dan.
		Okay.
		But yeah, I think I've lied about my self-worth.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But that was as you're talking about specifically financial self-worth.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I've never lied about my self-worth, which is next to nothing.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I have lied about my self-worth, but that's called keeping a stiff upper lip.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's showing that old British resolve.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		On the inside, it's like, man, one more bad thing, and I'm out of this life.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm doing okay on the outside.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Hi, how are you?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I think I've lied in like a job interview in order to get more money from them.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think that's not called lying.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's a job interview.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Fair.
		Yeah.
		So this is a podcast, guys, where I know a lot about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And I don't know anything about Alex Jones.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yep, that's the dynamic that we have betwixt us.
		Now, today we've got an interesting episode to go over, and I think we're going to have some fun and some black along the way.
		But before we do, straight up fun, just giving some shout-outs to some people who have signed up and are supporting the show.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's fun.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That is.
		So first of all, I'd like to say thank you to Sarah.
		You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, Sarah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much, Sarah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Next, Jeff.
		Thank you so much.
		You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, Jeff.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much, Jeff.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Next, J-E-F-F.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		C-E-O-F.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		J-E-F-F.
		Next, Robert.
		I don't know why I said suspicious of the most common spelling of Jeff.
		Next, Robert Kay.
		Thank you so much.
		You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, Robert.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, Robert Kay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Next, Adrian.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, Adrian.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much, Adrian.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And then finally, someone who's donated on a little bit of a higher level.
		We appreciate it also very much.
		So, Robert M. to Roberts today.
		Oh, man.
		Robert M., you're now a technocrat.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified		Four stars.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
		Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
		Daddy Sharp, bop, Jarjar Binks has a Caribbean black action.
unidentified		He's a loser, little, little kitty baby.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I don't want to hate black people.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I renounce Jesus Christ.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, Robert.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, Robert M. Thank you very much.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		If you're out there listening and you're thinking, hey, I like what these gents do, I'd like to support the show and make sure that one day they can lie about how much they make or something.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Better or worse.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm not sure.
		But you could support the show by going to knowledgefight.com.
		The button says support the show.
		We'd appreciate it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Our evaluation of monetary value is, generally speaking, pittance.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I would use the word pittance.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and even that, we're ashamed to.
		This is cool, man.
		We were raised well.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So, Jordan, today, you know, already it's hard to avoid this sort of information breaking.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But today we're going over what is deemed Alex Jones returns exclamation point on the Joe Rogan experience.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		The inevitable thing that we knew was going to happen the moment there was a fight.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I actually kind of hoped that Rogan would go the other way with his humanity and be like, I'm not going to reward this behavior.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But unfortunately, he, whatever.
		I have a lot of thoughts and we'll get to them.
		But Alex was on the JRE on Wednesday.
		The Joe Rogan embarrassment because I'm going to now start looking at it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Nicely, nicely.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Because this is embarrassing.
		This episode is really deeply embarrassing.
		Like, all across the board.
		Everyone comes out looking bad.
		Like, Rogan looks like he is an enabling fuckhead.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And Alex Jones.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Which we know he is.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		If you watch this episode and you don't come away from it thinking, like, Alex Jones is a deeply disturbed human being.
		He is really, really fucked up.
		And he is dealing with some intense, internal, emotional, mental health type issues.
		I don't know how you're dealing with reality.
		Like, you can be intrigued by his conspiracies and think he's funny and all this stuff.
		You can do that all day long.
		But if you're paying attention and you listen to the things he's saying, he's describing a deeply disturbed thought pattern, a deeply disturbed human.
		It's so fucked up.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And Joe is just tagging him on.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Laughing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He's not like, dude, get fucking help, please.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, because some of the times I think he thinks that Alex is joking when he does not appear that he is.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, we all know life's very fragile.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And then other times, Rogan's just high.
		Right.
		Well, they're smoking some tobacco in studio.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Sure, sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Alex keeps being like, let me have some of that tobacco as if it's not a fucking video podcast.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He's very.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't know how much that is.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He's very discreet.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't know how much of that was just trying to be cute.
		I'm not going to judge.
		I don't really give a shit.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, of course not.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I tried to make some little beginning notes that I wanted to talk about before we got into this, just to give some of my broad feelings about this.
		I think we touched on them already, that this is embarrassing.
		Right.
		But it's kind of a smart move to because he knows that both of them know that it's going to work out well for them.
unidentified		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		In terms of attention and clicks and stuff like that, they both win in the end.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Again, the inevitable conclusion of the Joe Rogan, Alex Jones piss-off.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		So there's a large part of me that thinks that even covering this is kind of a bad idea.
		Or at least in some ways, it's a pointless exercise.
		But at the same time, I don't see how we're an Alex Jones podcast and we somehow get away with not covering this.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's a good point.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You know what I'm saying?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And if we're covering a modern day thing, which I intended to do for this episode, like Alex was out of studio because he flew to L.A. to do the podcast.
		So this is a modern day thing.
		So here you go.
		Here's where we are.
		It's entirely possible that Alex and Joe's fight was entirely fake.
		But if I had to guess from watching this and seeing the way that the two of them behaved in the lead-up to this, I would say that it was fake from Alex's side and sincere from Joe's.
		I think Joe was scared for a friend who was lashing out at him in an attempt to get attention, and he dealt with it exactly the wrong way by caving in and giving him the attention that he was demanding.
		Alex literally threatened to politically murder Joe on air.
		He accused Joe of just having mob connections that were all of his, you know, like running Bitcoin scams and all that shit, being in bed with Jack Dorsey.
		Like, Jack Dorsey runs his show with his cash app.
unidentified		Sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He accused him of covering up satanic pedophile rings, talked about aspects of Joe's personal life that he was clearly told to keep private.
		And all of that incredibly inappropriate and, in fact, abusive behavior was not only not punished, it was rewarded.
		It's going to be really hard to imagine a scenario in the future where Alex doesn't think that throwing a tantrum is the right way for him to get exactly what he wants.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he's a child.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's been reinforced, and maybe it has been endless times.
		Yeah, I don't know.
		On this episode, Alex begins the show with a glass of straight Tito's vodka in hand, and he gets pretty drunk pretty early.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Neat.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Neat.
unidentified		Meat.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Neat.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Tito's vodka.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		On ice.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But still.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's more acceptable than that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		It's just still straight vodka.
		Right.
		Which I tweeted.
		One of the only tweets I'm kind of proud of is: the only thing I'm surprised by in this podcast is that Alex is drinking clear liquor.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That is a good point.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It is like weird.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, they probably started in the morning.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You got to start with clear liquor.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		They started at noon California time.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think on some levels, I'm not mad at you.
		Like, I understand liking to get a buzz and shit like that.
		But at the same time, you're doing a show where you're going to end up talking about satanic pedophiles and screaming about alien demons and stuff like that.
		You ought to be taken seriously.
		Don't be drunk at noon.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's why you've got to start with the clear liquor.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And then around four or five, you can switch to the brown liquor.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's also, like, he's got a fucking handle of Tito's.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Okay, that's not good.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He's got a handle.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's a huge bottle of Tito's.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's not good.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And it does appear that he makes pretty good progress through it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		So they proceed to record for five hours.
		And as you can expect, there was a lot said, and it would be pretty much impossible for us to cover it all in one episode of our show without it becoming as long as our goddamn endgame coverage.
		That is to say that there are probably points of this show that listeners will think we missed.
		And to that, I say, fair enough.
		I tried to prioritize looking at things that Alex and Joe discussed that provide new information to us.
		And I need to even give this caveat that I don't necessarily believe most of the stuff Alex is going to say.
		It's hours and hours of a drunk idiot talking shit.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's pretty much a good way to describe the InfoWars, too.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's branding.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But in the same way that, like, when I listen to an episode of Alex's show and he talks about narratives we've covered a hundred times, I don't see a real benefit in covering it again.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There's a lot of things that he ends up talking about that's like, wow, we talked about that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Or even stuff that he said the last time he was on Rogan's show.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So there's a bunch of stuff like, who cares?
		And some people might be like, why didn't you talk about that?
		I promise you, if we didn't talk about it, there's a 5% chance that I missed it.
		And there's a 90% chance that I just thought, like, who cares?
		And then there's another 5% chance that wild card.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Wild card.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Wild card explanation.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Take your pick.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It could be anything.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Dealer's choice.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So here's what's really important to keep in mind.
		All of this exists only for Alex to give publicity that he does not have access to anymore on his own.
		Alex has a major problem on his hands, namely that he's running out of ways to attract people into his financial web, and Joe is one of the only solutions that he has left to his problem.
		If he reaches a point where he can't manipulate new people into his little marketplace, then it's game over, and it's just a waiting game to see how long he can delay the audience that he has from leaving him.
		That's all this episode is about.
		Alex is trying to sell himself to Joe's audience to an extent that it seems almost incidental to Alex that Joe is even there, except to be a prop, someone whose mind he can blow.
		I would put it like this: Alex is the cutco knife salesman, and Joe is the penny that gets cut through to demonstrate how good his knives are.
		Okay.
		Basically.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's kind of how I feel when I listen to this episode.
		It's almost like Joe is trying to deal with it from a human standpoint of like, you're my friend.
		I think you're great.
		We just didn't talk enough, and that's why you got mad at me.
		Trying to reach trying to reach rapprochement.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		To that, I say, buh.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And Alex is there to pay lip service to that, and then at the same time, steamroll and talk about, here's what's really going on in the world.
		Yeah.
		Because he wants Joe's audience.
		He doesn't want Joe.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He's willing to.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Does Joe realize that Alex isn't actually his friend?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't think he does.
		I don't think he really.
		Alex was screaming on air not a couple weeks ago on his own show about how my big mistake was I just became your friend.
		I never liked you.
		I didn't like you.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like that sort of shit.
		Like, and sure, it's childish acting out to try and get a response from Joe, but at the same time, when you say shit like that, I don't know.
		They don't have, and you can tell from listening to this, that they don't have as deep a relationship as would deserve that kind of patience and that kind of chance.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like, whenever they talk about any of their, they're like, oh, do you remember that?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		They have one fucking story.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's not good.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Every single time they talk about, like, oh, remember the good times?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's that one time that they ran around in George Bush masks.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right, right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's the only fucking story that they ever bring up of, like, aren't we great friends?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Wasn't that the plot of Band of Brothers?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I think that's why they became so close.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Could be.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Could be.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's a life-changing moment, and it's a bond that you can never break.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't disagree.
		So here we go.
		We're going to jump in.
		And of course, one of the big sticking points for Joe not wanting to have Alex back on his show had been that he realized that Alex was lying even to him about what he said about Sandy Hook.
		Alex gave Joe the line that, like, oh, we just had debates.
		We just heard both sides.
		That sort of thing.
		And Joe, on his own show and past episodes, has made the point that one of the things that I had a problem with is that I heard the clips.
		I went back and I listened to stuff and I saw that Alex was lying to me about Sandy Hook.
		And so, right at the beginning of the show, they start discussing their fight a little bit and then get into, after this clip, the immediate elephant in the room that is Alex lied about Sandy Hook.
unidentified		Alex Jones, we're live.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Wow, it's good to be back for the second visit.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's good to be here, man.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's good to see you.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		We've got Trump meeting with Kyong Jong-han.
		We've got the Cullen hearings in Congress.
		A lot of energy going on.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		A lot of things are happening.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Planets are aligned.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		We should tell everybody that you and I had, first of all, we had a long conversation on the phone, which led to just a lot of talking.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		You were driving to Vegas a few weeks.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Now we talked like an hour and a half.
		And then we decided to do another podcast.
		And we cleared the air on the phone.
		We decided to clear the air more in a podcast.
		There's a lot of things.
		That's not good.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's not how our relationship works.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We talked for 90 minutes about how you threatened to murder me on your show and then essentially made criminal accusations against me and talked about my family in ways that I have made it clear is not for public discussion.
		You betrayed my confidence on air.
		Hey, we had a 90-minute conversation.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Let's clear the air on a podcast.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm sorry.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I bet it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I bet he doesn't.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I bet Joe Rogan just talked for 90 minutes or 89 minutes and then one minute was Alex going, yeah, yeah, well, it's all stunted.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Or Alex crying, like, probably like, I can't get my message out to the world.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm innocent, Joe.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right, right, right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		90 minutes of him just like being a sad sack and Rogan being like, well, maybe my friend really is in pain or something like that.
unidentified		Sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Because Alex performatively expresses these emotions that humans have.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that he has learned how to replicate.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		So that's how we got to where we are now.
		That's the first part.
		They had a 90-minute conversation when Joe was driving to Vegas.
		You know what?
		His XM was out.
		Why not just fucking talk to Alex Jones for an hour and a half?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I can tell you already from the jump, this is stilted and uncomfortable.
		It is.
		They are not on the same page at all.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And it doesn't get better until about two hours in.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And we'll see.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		When the vodka gets good to him?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Nope.
unidentified		Vodka was good to him from the jump.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I assure you of that.
		There's a rogue variable that comes into play about two hours into the show.
		PCP.
		Yep.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Bingo.
		So here we go.
		This is the point at which right at the beginning of the show, Rogan brings up Sandy Hook and asks Alex to make a statement.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Clarify.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		The thing that people are upset about you, the thing that we wanted to talk about quick to get it over with.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Or not quick, but just to get it up front.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		People are not upset, they are suing you.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Is the Sandy Hook statement?
unidentified		Yes.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		So your take on it.
		Just give me your take on it.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, first off, because it's always misrepresented.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		First off, I'm going to lie.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I love whenever.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		First off, I'm about to lie to you.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I always expect, if someone says first off, I expect the next sentence to be, fuck your bitch in the click west side when we ride, come equipped with game.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm certain it's going to be hit em up.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm always thinking, first things first, I'll eat your brains.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And then I'm going to start rocking gold teeth and chains.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		See, first things first makes me think chocolate starfish.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's my man Francers.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Different references.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		We have very different places that we're covering.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We have too much to get through.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We cannot dwell on this.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Okay, okay, okay.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		They're real tragedies.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And I believe Parkland happened.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Cool.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And you believe Sandy Hook happened.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		And now, just last year, the media came out and said, Alex Jones says Parkland didn't happen.
		And he's sending people to Parkland parents' houses.
		And there was no video, no audio.
		It wasn't true.
		In fact, I said, I believe Parkland happened.
		So I'm not going to be the mass shooting denial guy.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You are.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I have been branded as the Sandy Hook guy.
		I mean, imagine a Final Cut Pro video editing timeline.
		And you go back almost, it was seven years ago.
		I guess it's more than seven years now.
		And the internet didn't believe some of the things about Sandy Hook.
		I started covering it weeks after.
		My first articles and things are, oh, this will be used for gun control.
		And I bet the guy's on ProZac and a mental patient, which he was.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We already know just from looking at the days after Sandy Hook on our own show that that's a complete lie.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I know.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		How does Joe not know that he's being lied to again?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		Like, he's trying to have him clear the air and explain, like, what are the things that were weird?
		You know, like, why is it okay what you're saying?
		That sort of thing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He frankly said on his show that he was mad that Alex was lying to him.
unidentified		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And then he brings Alex onto his show for Alex to lie to him.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		To sort of refine his lie.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he's pathetic.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like the idea that his listeners or people on the internet or whatever were things that he was responding to, sure, I'm willing to buy that.
		I mean, you should have a better editorial policy in terms of what you report on, number one.
		And then, number two, the timeline is completely jacked.
		He's saying weeks later, it was the day of he started saying it was fake.
		And then five days later on.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He's insinuating that it was fake the day of.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He came to a solid position a couple days after that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, very quickly.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And then on December 19th, 2012, five days after he started suggesting that they were actors.
		Yep.
		So he cannot make this claim here.
		This is bullshit.
		And Joe allows it to go unquestioned, which is a very serious problem just out of the gate.
		I think the two of them are going to work themselves up into possibly a new lawsuit by the time this is over.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I was just thinking, should Alex be talking about this?
unidentified		No.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He's currently being sued over this, right?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		No.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And actually.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's Roger Stone.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		should have a gag order on him one sentence or not one it's not a sentence but one clip we're gonna hear i really think could be actionable uh like in addition to like because he we'll get to it when we get to it but it was pretty troubling Is Joe actually secretly a mastermind who is getting Alex to continue to dig his own grave?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't think so, because this would be a much shorter episode if it was.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Fair.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He knocks that out in the first 15 minutes.
		So here in this next clip, Alex blows his timeline again about Sandy Hook.
		And we know that from looking back at the episodes.
		Like, this is just demonstrably not true.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		About a couple weeks into it, my listeners and others start sending me all these anomalies and things.
		And later it turned out some of those anomalies weren't accurate.
		And then I just moved on from it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Okay?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I'm not Adam Lanza.
		I didn't kill those kids.
		But when I'm on the streets now, people don't know who Adam Lanza is, the guy that killed those kids.
		They think it's me.
		They say, I can't believe you're in prison for what you did to Sandy Hook.
		All they know is Alex Schell and Sandy Hook dead kids.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't think that's.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I think the majority of them are angry because the narrative has been that you're sending people to the Sandy Hook families' homes.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And I'm not, I never have.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That you're responsible for these people getting harassed because you said on your radio show.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We're going to go with the latter point.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Yes, there is video and audio of me saying I can see how people don't think it happened.
		And I can see how people think it's synthetic because there's been stage events before.
		That then gets edited, put together, cobbled together.
		But I never said go to people's houses.
		I never said go investigate.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Did you ever say that you think it's not real?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I did.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But now you do think it's real.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Because I learned some of the anomalies were not accurate.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Because you're bad at your job.
		You're fucking bad at this.
		Like, that's what he's saying.
		He's saying, like, yeah, I just believe bullshit and I really hurt people.
		But I won't take responsibility for that.
		The tape of me saying that it's actors is fucking edited.
		It's not.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Nope.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You could go to the entire episode.
		The video is still there.
		It is not edited at all.
		He's telling a call, at least that 2015 instance.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely not edited at all.
		He's dodging responsibility while trying to, again, performatively accept responsibility.
		And that's pathetic.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And not only that, but we did hear in our days after Sandy Hook that people need to go investigate and hire private investigators.
		Yeah.
		So you lied again, you piece of shit.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's that thin line of like, I didn't send people to their houses.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I just suggested that people need to investigate.
unidentified		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, he just said that he didn't say people need to investigate.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's a good point.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he already.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But he could fall back on the argument of like, I met professionals.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's even worse.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I met the FBI needs to be investigating this.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Was just so imprecise in my language that it could easily be interpreted as saying amateur gumshoes should get out there and stalk people.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I feel like I don't know why, but I've got this vision of me being Joe Rogan's dad and being like, if people are constantly lying to you, they're not really your friends, Joe.
		You need to cut bait with them and run.
		And he never learned, Dan.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Joe Rogan never took my advice when I was his dad.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, since we are all our ancestors, by default, we are all everybody simultaneously or something.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		There are four ways to learn.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Joe tries to get Alex to understand that there is a tendency among people, particularly people who have certain forms of mental illness.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's speaking way too broadly in terms of saying, like, schizophrenics love conspiracy theorists.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, boy.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's a little bit too general, but the point he's trying to make is that there are people in the world who believe that everything is fake and that you can get into that system.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And then Alex, piggybacking on that, accepts that he was kind of that way before.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Kind of.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And was.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Before.
unidentified		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Those are some problems.
		As opposed to now, when he never's trying to pretend that years back, he realized that he was falling into that trap.
		And he discusses that in this next clip, and it's fucking stupid.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		But I kind of realized a few years ago that I kind of had my own mild psychosis.
		And that when you've been lied to by the media and the culture so much over and over again, everything then starts becoming automatically, you're sure it's fake.
		And then everything you see fits into that.
		This is probably again four or five years ago.
		I began to realize because I was on the receiving end of people pulling up in white vans with guns at my office saying, I know you put a microchip in my head and I'm going to kill you.
		And so it was kind of like once I got super famous, it was like, whoa.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Now, the important thing about that is Alex only is saying that he realized that he was in this pattern of believing everything was fake and that's bad because he became the victim of conspiracy theories.
		Basically, his listeners started treating him the way that they treated the people that Alex lied about.
		And he then was like, oh my God, this is awful.
		But at no point is he dealing with the fact that he created these or encouraged these tendencies in people.
		He's just saying it as sort of an abstract people are like that.
		As opposed to like, my entire modus operandi, my entire business model is encouraging this behavior in people.
		And then once it was directed at me, I realized, oh, this isn't good.
		But then I didn't change my behaviors, but I'm going to pretend I did.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
		Yeah, he's not a good person.
		Nope.
		He doesn't have a very large vocabulary.
		I prefer a good Lionel.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He knows a number of words that he uses weirdly.
		Yeah, but that's definitely true.
		He knows a lot of $5 words that he throws in very strangely.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm just saying that if I were telling the story of people in white vans showing up at my studio with guns pointed at me, my reaction would not be, it was like, whoa.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Unless you're Black Rob.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's possible.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Then it's like, whoa.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It is like, but everything's like, whoa.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's like, whoa.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		So in this next clip, I think that you're getting a sense here that Alex is sort of like paying lip service to the idea that he did things wrong.
		And he's like, I blew it.
		But he's also saying that it's because people gave him bad information, which is dodging responsibility to some extent.
		And then more than that, he seems to be painting the picture that he's the real victim in the whole thing.
unidentified		What?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, of course he is.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He only became aware that his behaviors were maybe a mild psychosis because he became victimized by them, which is drawing attention away from the real victims of his rhetoric and his behavior.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But this next clip I thought was a little bit beyond the pale.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		This is what I want to say about Sandy Hook.
		I legitimately questioned it when people brought up anomalies.
		I then had debates about it on both sides.
		The internet pushed me to keep covering it.
		I probably covered it 20 times in the first few years it happened.
		And then as soon as I questioned it, not being staged, I got attacked so much that I said, screw it.
		Mass shootings happen.
		I believe it happened.
		But then media would call me or interview me and say, okay, but tell us the anomalies of why you questioned.
		They were getting me to say it again.
		Not that I didn't have the right to question it, but they thought, well, Alex Jones versus Dead Kids, Alex Jones denying it.
		Alex Jones are asking families.
		This is a perfect way to get this guy who's so popular, getting people to question and getting people to think.
		And so it took me years.
		I think I'm smart.
		I guess I'm not to figure out what was going on.
		So when Hillary, a few months before the election, he leave a speech that says Alex Jones has a dark heart.
		He knows Sandy Hook kids died, but he says they didn't.
		And he sends people to their houses.
		He's the worst guy in the world.
		So I came out and I said, listen, I never sent anybody to the houses, but I apologize.
		It was taken out of context.
		People have a right to question, but I'm sorry for the families and I'm sorry for your hurt.
		And I get it.
		And I've experienced crazy people now, big time, just like you have.
		Please stop saying that I'm saying it didn't happen.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		See, this is the muddying that Joe is still allowing him to do.
		People weren't saying that he was still saying it.
		They were discussing the lingering damage of him saying it consistently in the past when it mattered.
		That's what people were talking about.
		And no one was trying to bait him into saying these things so they could take shit out of context.
		That's him creating a victim narrative for himself about this that somehow trumps the actual event.
		It's so pathetic.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		The damage that I've done over and over and over again, that's not even really my fault.
		I was tricked.
		I was cajoled.
		I was all something that happened to me.
		And so I don't, you know, I apologize for it and it's over, right?
		You can stop suing me.
		Can you stop suing me?
		Could everybody just stop suing me real quick?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I apologize.
		I said, I'm sorry.
		Homdy shut up after I did that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You don't get to argue that like the anomalies were fake and that gets you off the hook because you were reporting them and screaming about how they were real.
		That is the problem.
		I understand that you were tricked.
		Believe me, you're preaching to the choir.
		I think you're an idiot.
		You fall for things all the time.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		True.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That is not news to me.
		It's not exculpatory in any way.
		That is just descriptive.
		It is not excusing.
		But at the same time.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And also, it is to be included in his crimes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Yeah.
		I mean, I guess you could, I guess, you know what?
		Really, what I think he's trying to do is trying to build an argument that takes away intent from his.
		Because I think a big part of defamation comes down to like you intentionally maligned these people.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And if he tries to get this little wedge in there of like, I was misled by bad information.
		I came from a sincere place.
		And, you know, hey, what are you going to do?
		Maybe he's trying to get that legal standard diminished.
unidentified		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And Joe is allowing him to do that when you go back and you look at it.
		That does not accurately describe how he behaved.
		That is not okay.
		So actually, Joe's an accessory to what I would describe as almost obstruction of justice at this point.
		If that's something that exists within the city.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Within civil cases, I don't think it does.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm not sure it does.
		I don't think it does.
		So in this next clip, Joe asks Alex if he wishes he'd done something different.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And not get sued?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's not Alex doing that.
		He certainly wishes he wasn't being sued.
		But his answer is interesting.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And then again, she's not going to be able to do that.
		Oh my God, in hindsight?
		Absolutely.
		But again, I legitimately didn't think my show was as powerful as it was.
		But I wasn't retrospectively, you know, looking at everything I was doing as much as I should.
		Nobody's perfect.
		I mean, as you get older, you grow and you learn things.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'd like to remind everybody that in 2009, three years before this Andy Hook stuff, Alex was screaming about how his show had changed the world.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I was going to say, yeah, he said so many times that he has like 2 billion listeners.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Fuck you.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And even in the day after Sandy Hook, I believe it was the day after or the two days after, he was screaming about how they had helped bring back gun culture and then went out to break screaming, We're winning, we're winning, we're winning!
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, absolutely.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So that influential leaders listen to this show to find out what's happening.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I interviewed a congressman.
		Yeah.
		Like, there is, like, that doesn't match at all.
		And I think it's a very pathetic angle to take.
		It's like, I didn't understand how influential my show was.
		Meanwhile, I screamed for years about how I'm the most influential show in the world.
		We are the leaders in Patriot Radio.
		Freedom Talk is us.
		So now here's another thing: one thing that's super important to consider about Alex's protests that he didn't know how big his show was and that he had no idea he was hurting people is the fact that in late January 2013, Lenny Posner, the father of a victim at Sandy Hook, sent Alex an email.
		Lenny had been being harassed by conspiracy theorists already at that point, so he told Alex, Haven't we had our share of pain and suffering?
		I used to enjoy listening to your shows.
		Now I feel your type of show created these hateful people and they need to be reeled in.
		He was saying that in reference to the fact that he used to love listening to Alex.
		He was a fan of his show until it ruined his life.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That is such an unfortunate irony.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So he sent Alex an email within like a month or so of probably about a month after Sandy Hook when these consequences were starting to show up in his life and were really terrible.
		Alex didn't reply, but his assistant wrote back and said, quote, Alex has no doubt this was a real tragedy.
		Of course, after that response email, Alex continued to peddle the idea that Sandy Hook was fake and no one died there.
		He posted an article with the headline, quote, FBI says no one died at Sandy Hook, which was an intentional misrepresentation of murder statistics.
		It basically had to do with like where they were the murders were classified.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right, right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Whether it was in the city or the county, the statewide numbers, stuff like that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We'll deal with it in more detail when it comes up in our 2012 coverage.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, Alex's email, you know, his assistant did write in the email, it is a real tragedy, parentheses, that the government staged it and you are an actor.
		And parentheses.
		It was a very different email.
unidentified		And then in brackets, off the record.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So then, of course, we know that as recently as 2015, he was telling callers that it was all actors, completely synthetic.
		No one died there.
		I thought that kids died there, but after I looked at it, I realized it was all actors.
		Those actions came after a parent of a murdered child reached out to him and made him very aware of the damage he was doing.
		All of these excuses to the effect of, like, I didn't know what I was doing.
		I didn't know I was so influential, fall on completely deaf ears.
		One of the victims who was affected by his behavior had made it clear to him that this is something that is a problem.
		And he didn't care.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I think we have intent.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, no, totally.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He didn't care at all.
		He was aware.
		All this is bullshit.
		And Joe is allowing him unquestioningly to put this forth.
		And he's like, I didn't know how influential I was.
		I was a younger man.
		Bullshit.
		Bullshit.
		So At this point, they start talking about how, like, they had a little conversation pre-show, and that Alex didn't know what he wanted to say.
		Like, he didn't.
		So, this is just kind of funny because it indicates how rude Alex is.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		You know, we even talked before we went on air about what am I going to do.
		You know, I mean, Alex, what do you want to say today so you can help me get it out?
		I don't know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I'm only a bunch of things.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I'm only learning how this works being in the process of it, and it's given me a much bigger view than I knew 23 years ago when I first got on air because I've experienced what other people have said these bad things I did.
		Experienced.
		I did it from a good heart.
		I believed questioning was okay.
		I was covering other people's questioning.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So, more excuses, more nonsense.
		But I love that.
		Like, I didn't know what I was going to say.
		I have a lot I'd like to say.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I don't care.
unidentified		Yeah.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Who gives a shit?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You're a prop.
		You're a prop.
		And he even in the beginning of that clip expressed exactly what his goal is.
		You're letting me get my message out on your show.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we had a conversation before the show about what I can help you spread, what lies I can help you get out in the fucking ether sphere.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And the only debate I think that's relevant, and I don't really have a position on, is how much Joe is aware of the fact that he's being lied to again.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And to what extent is he a knowing participant in allowing Alex to lie to everybody more?
		I don't know.
		That's a debatable, open question.
		Who knows?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Oh, Joe.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, Joe.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So they jump off the Sandy Hook stuff now, and I think we got a pretty clear picture that Alex is just trying to equivocate Dodge responsibility while looking penitent in some ways.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And it's a disgrace, and he's lying even still about the timeline, about what he did, about his intentions, all of that stuff.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This is just a disgrace.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		People really got to learn how to apologize when they're psychopaths.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's a bad move.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, because I think this works for most people who don't know any better.
		I think most people who are listening to this or Joe's audience probably are like, you know what?
		That's real big of him.
		That's real big of him.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Fuck off.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Because he was at least willing to admit that he wishes he'd done some things differently.
		That takes a lot.
		That takes a big man to say that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It does not take a big man.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, it doesn't.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It does not.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Especially when saying that is in service of promoting a further lie.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that would be so infuriating to me.
		That right there, that apology, regardless of whether or not he's even telling the truth.
		Like, even if he was telling the truth, he is not saying, I am not making excuses for my behavior.
		I'm giving you reasoning.
		I'm explaining it.
		I am fully taking responsibility for what I've done.
		I'm fully taking responsibility for what's been done to the Sandy Hook families.
		No, he's saying that's not really my fault.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There's no open.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's not an apology.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Nope.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		None.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's fucking pathetic.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So in this next clip, we find out where things went wrong for Alex in terms of the present troubles that he's in.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Birth?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		When I aligned with Trump, that's when all hell broke loose.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Yeah.
		That was part of it.
		I think that was definitely.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And Hillary admits she looked at my whole bio and said, Sandy Hook, hit him on that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Bullshit.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Now, when did she admit that?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Why did you call Trump?
		To you?
		Did she call you?
		It becomes a big issue.
		I mean, I obviously communicate with surrogates and people who talk to Trump.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Roger.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I mean, Don Jr. was on Tucker Carlson last night.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		They were talking about me and saying what happened to me is wrong.
unidentified		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So now he's out at Don Jr. is talking to him, too.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's cool, man.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, he's already out of that whenever he was like, I can't talk about my source.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		But I also think it's Donald Trump Jr.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But I also don't think that's true anymore, probably.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I bet that that's also in the same way that he's saying, I don't talk to Trump anymore.
		I bet that maybe Don Jr. gave him information two years ago or something like that.
		But I'm positive at this point they're not in communication.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, that's what I'm referencing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Whenever he said I can't.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But he only talked to him because of Cernovich.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right, exactly.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So, like, yeah, that was.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Which is stupid.
		I don't like any of the dumbness involved in that.
		Like, it's a long line of incredibly stupid people in a fucking daisy chain game of telephone.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's a game of broken telephone.
		Yeah.
		So it wouldn't be an Alex Jones appearance if he didn't start complaining about the Chinese.
		And so.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		At this point, he starts yelling about China and Google working together.
		And sure, it's not fine.
		Yeah, it's not a great call.
		But Joe knows some people at Google and has spoken to them.
		And he tries to.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		In a hot tub?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I actually believe Joe because he has information as opposed to dumb fucking stories about running into globalists and airports and hot springs.
		But Joe tries to explain to Alex why Google is working with China in the capacity that they are and in a way that we would probably not be comfortable with.
		And actually, Joe is even like, I don't know if I think this is a good idea, but here's the explanation for why they're doing it, which I think is a fair way to present things.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, let me tell you something because I knew someone who worked at Google.
		I know someone who used to work at Google, I should say.
		Their thought process was that Google is going, if they don't bring Google to China in a censored form, they're going to copy Google.
		This was the real worry because China copies everything.
		I mean, they're intellectual copyrights.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but then they're just going to steal it better now.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		True.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But this is what they're saying.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Think about that, Joe.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But let me explain something from the point of view of Google as a business.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And I don't necessarily, I'm not saying I agree with this because I don't.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Drink some more apple juice.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Get some apple juice in your system, fella.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So that's important.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Fucking nude.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's impouring some more Tito's.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Fucking nude.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's at least his second or third glass of Tito's.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Jesus.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Jesus.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Completely unwilling to hear Joe's argument from experience and knowing somebody there that, like, here's why they're agreeing to work with him.
		And like I said, I didn't include it in here because this isn't a show really about Joe Rogan's positions.
		But he does say that, like, I don't think that that's necessarily a good idea, but they're not doing it in order to build a worldwide censorship.
		Right, right, right, right.
		That sort of thing.
		So he's pushing back a tiny bit towards Alex's rhetoric, but not nearly enough.
		And it's clearly ineffective.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, you can already see that Alex is not listening.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		No.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Alex, when Joe is talking, Alex is not listening to the point where you didn't need to say, I need to get another drink.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		No.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You could have not said it.
unidentified		No.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		But he has to interject there because it's a power move.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's a whole, like, you can say whatever you want, but I'm drunk.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		When I talk, I blow minds.
		When you talk, my mind turns off because you are a dumb, dumb gorilla.
		You're just some kind of thing.
		You're a thing.
		I am one of the elite.
		I am elevated above you.
unidentified		For sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And actually, Alex says something later that really almost made me have a spit take about how great he is.
		We'll get to it.
		But, of course, in the same way that if Alex is on, Chinese are going to take it on the chin.
		Also, if Alex is on the channel.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, which they're really pissed off about.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		They hate taking it on the chin from Alex.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Especially imaginary haymakers.
		Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
		But if Alex is on, he's also going to talk about chimeras.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm fine with that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So he gets into talking about chimeras.
		And of course, because this is a show where there's no time to do research, there's no time to respond to anything.
		You just got Jamie behind the board who, like, will Google something.
		Alex has the presentation of a good argument that there are pig-human hybrids in wombs and stuff like that.
		If you go and just Google the basic information, fine, you're right.
		Lying about it, but there isn't enough time on the show to get the nuance, get the detail of it.
		And so Alex's suppositions are deemed to be like, oh my God, he's totally right.
		That sort of thing, which is a dangerous thing.
		And one of the reasons you can't have someone like Alex on a show like this.
		But this is really funny.
		Alex starts ranting about these here chimeras.
		And then Joe tries to get him to like, hold on.
		What are you talking about?
		And Alex's response is so funny.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		20 years ago, they had spiders that produced body armor.
		Spider goats.
		Okay.
		They have human-animal average 30 years ago.
		They've got giant human tissue farms.
		You know, you hear, oh, your Achilles is torn.
		We've got a grown-up lab.
		It's not a freaking tendon grown in a lab.
		It's a frickin' deal humanoid.
		These aren't humans.
		The way they get around it is they make it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Wait a minute, wait a minute.
		We're saying so many things.
		This is, listen, I love you to death.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		But you say $10 million humanoids are real.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I believe they are.
		But you say so many different things without stopping.
		It's hard.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Because I'm reporting to the government agency, so they'll listen and investigate.
		I'm decompartmentalizing.
		Okay, but this will be studied for years.
unidentified		So what this lunatic.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		This will be studied for years.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that's just like the Kevin Spacey line from 7.
		Like, what I'm doing will be studied and reflected upon for decades to come.
		Alex has that same sort of narcissistic string.
		What I'm doing, talking about spider goats.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Once again, that's a great comparison to a literal serial killer.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And then also, two things that are super important is that Joe is trying to explain to Alex that you jump from topic A to B to C to D to E to F. I'm still on A. What the fuck were you talking about?
		And that's not, he's like, this isn't a productive way to communicate that sort of thing.
		Way downstream, I'm back here trying to talk about these things.
		He doesn't seem to realize that this is part of Alex's manipulative technique, that he can't stop on A because he needs to be on D or E by the time you have heard what A was.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Or else you're going to look into it and be like, you're just full of shit.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Calm down, Alex.
unidentified		Exactly.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And also, the second thing that's super important is that he's saying spider goats are spiders.
		There's goats.
		They're goats with spider jeans, not spiders making body armor.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It would be more fun if it was.
		Spiders with goat jeans.
		Spiders with goat jeans would be fantastic.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		What the fuck would they gain from those goat jeans?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Bigger?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		They'd be big.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's so funny.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		They've always wanted to be big.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		His whole point is that, like, he's trying, like, it's these little moments.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And I don't think that it's just a product of his intoxication and slipping up.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He doesn't know what a spider goat is.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He just knows it is a thing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It is a thing.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He thinks it's a spider.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It'd be a fun spider.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Whatever the case is.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Actually, no, it'd be a massive spider that would also be able to bite you.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm not into it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, no, that's no good.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Later in the episode, he talks about how OSS, the precursor of the CIA, was actually British intelligence.
		But at the same time, he spends like a minute trying to remember what OSS stands for.
		So it's like, what kind of information do you have if you don't know these basic things?
		What do you know about fucking chimeras if you think spider goats are spiders?
		Get the fuck out of here.
		That's what I would do if I were Rogan.
		I would be like, come on, man.
		The fuck out of here.
		So I told you.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Also, by the way, it's the Office of Secret Sauce.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		Horsey Sauce has a whole department in there.
		So I told you earlier when they were talking about Sandy Hook, I felt like they might have accidentally worked themselves into a new lawsuit.
		And this clip here is what I was basing this on.
		Because Alex has a new conspiracy about what's going on with him and Sandy Hook.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, God.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Don't talk about it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He really shouldn't.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This next clip is bad.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And I'm sorry it ever happened.
		I believed it happened.
		I'm sorry for people's pain.
		And then I ask the families and I ask the lawyers and I ask them all, stop in my name, saying I'm the wolf at the door, saying go after these families and stop running around to the news everywhere saying Alex Jones says Sandy Hook didn't happen because the media is the most unpopular thing in the world with 7% approval rating in Gallup.
		So when they say that I say it's fake, that sends people to Connecticut because people think the media lies.
		So if they're saying Alex Jones said it didn't happen, it must have not happened.
		And now they're trying to create a violent event.
		Not the families, but I think some of the people involved know that if they make a big enough hype about it, they're going to have a big event up there in Connecticut, you understand?
		And they're going to blame it on me.
		So I'm saying, no, no, no.
		I believe it happened.
		Stop saying I said it didn't happen.
		And stop saying that I'm saying no kids died.
		Because I want to talk about human-animal hybrids.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I like that a lot.
		Like, those are the moments that Alex is funny, but he's not trying to be funny.
		Like, he sincerely is saying, stop fucking saying this about Sandy Hook.
		My big message is human-animal hybrids.
unidentified		Fuck off.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, he is off.
		He's not saying, stop proving.
		He just wants them to stop saying it because it's really hurting his feelings.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It is, and that's so tough.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Also, is he trying to say that the media is running a false flag on him?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Like, they're reporting.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's sort of complicated, but yes, walk through it and see.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Let me see if you get it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		If I understand this correctly, the media is actually the ones who are trying to harass the Sandy Hook families because they know they're so hated that if they were to say Alex Jones says this, because people hate the media so much, they're going to trust Alex more, and then the media knows this is what's going to happen.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think you're already off.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So they're going to then investigate the Sandy Hook family?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think you're off a little bit, maybe.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So the media is so hated, right?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That they say that Alex says that Sandy Hook is fake, and that people hate the media.
		Therefore, they think that that is misreporting and trying to cover up something.
		And so their logical conclusion is, well, it must have been fake.
		If they're saying that it's wrong for someone to say it's fake, then it must be fake.
		Ergo, we're going to go to Connecticut and cause a huge terrorist attack that we'll blame on Alex.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right, right, right.
		And the media is aware that this is what they're doing.
		I think he's also implying that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, because the OSS is involved.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, of course.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, no, I don't.
		Yeah, I think that is what he's trying to present.
		Yeah, absolutely.
		The idea that the media is trying to do this in order to precipitate a large terrorist attack in Connecticut to blame on Alex.
		This is the definition of paranoid narcissism, just believing everything is about you.
		It's so sad to see.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Because the one thing that he could not possibly wrap his head around is that the media actually doesn't care about him at all.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, or that they're only reporting on things based on what he has done.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right, right, right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And I think that he's gotten so far that I don't know if he's able to distinguish between what his straw men are and what the reality is.
		Like criticisms that are being lobbied against him, I don't know if he's able to tell what's real and what's not.
		Like what's his spin and what people are actually saying.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And it's interesting for that to exist on the same episode where he's saying that like years ago I realized that there's this mild psychosis we're thinking everything is fake.
		It's exactly how you operate.
		I mean, you're not.
		The ability to have an awareness about that and pin it on your past self implies some awareness that you're still beholden to those patterns.
unidentified		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Troubles me a little bit.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, first, do you think this is a situation where we're getting Alex without his InfoWars hat on?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's not wearing a hat.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, like, this is more genuine.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's still doing a show.
unidentified		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You can tell when he interrupted Joe in that one clip and how he's just rambling.
		He keeps saying, like, I'm ranting.
		And then Joe's like, oh, go ahead, go ahead.
		Like, that sort of thing.
		It's basically Joe's got himself front row seats to an Alex Jones performance.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Because it's not a conversation.
		It's not an interview.
		It's just Alex rambling about spider goats and how everyone's blaming him for Sandy Hook and they think he's Adam Lanza and he's a victim and blah, blah, blah.
		Like Joe chimes in some, but it's not a two-way street.
unidentified		That just doesn't seem like a good basis for a friendship.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's not.
unidentified		You know?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's not.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Like, that's really abusive behavior that Joe is participating in willingly.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, because I think he holds out hope or in the same way that I want an explanation for a lot of things in Alex's career, and the answer might be, he's a lunatic.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think that Joe probably in the same way wants an explanation for why his friend would treat him that way.
		And I think he hopes for an answer other than, oh, he's just a crazy person.
		And he has money, so he's not yelling on a street corner.
		Right.
		Like that sort of thing.
		Alex is the embodiment of money privilege because his behavior is very, very close to someone who gets locked in a loony bin or whatever.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't even like using that terminology, but you know what I'm saying.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He is no different than someone in other circumstances that would be 5150 or be homeless.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like that is like the level of.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we're talking pre- and post-Reagan as to which one is which.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's the level of impairment Alex is operating under these days, especially.
		And I think that Joe wants a different explanation for why things are going the way they are.
		And unfortunately, if you listen to this episode, you see there's nothing.
		I don't think there's anything there.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's a little bit like Joe is portraying himself as the person who wants to believe the best in everybody.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Do you know what I mean?
		Like, he's the person who's like, look, I know all of this horror, all of this terror right there, but you're still a human being, and I believe there's good inside you.
		Like, that kind of shit, when in reality.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, he does say a bunch of times, and I didn't cut out these clips because I don't care, but he does say a number of times, like, and another reason I didn't cut them is because it's the same thing he said on the last time Alex was on his show.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's like, I wanted to show the world the version of you that I love.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We're having fun.
		You're a fun guy.
		All that stuff.
		And it's like, I think that's.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		The version of you that I love is the guy who yells at me for five hours.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And there's so much on here that just goes, like, that Joe just lets slide.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like, that, first of all, I mean, we've already talked about all these Sandy Hook lies that Joe is just letting Alex tell.
		He lets him, without pushback, give this idea that they're trying to plan a large terrorist attack in Connecticut and blame it on him.
		Joe doesn't be like, hey, that's crazy.
		Or anything like that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So the version of Alex that Joe seems to want to present to the world is a fun guy who he loves is a lying bigot who's clearly mentally disturbed.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And then we laugh at him.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Which I'm not thrilled with that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But whatever.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Life is what it is, man.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But the important thing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Roll with the punches, I guess.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But the important thing, Jordan.
unidentified		Yes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Is that Alex, he knows that the globalists are evil.
unidentified		Well, we all do.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And he knows that because of primary sources.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He talked to the spider goats?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's not.
		He talked to goat spiders.
		Oh, okay.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		How's the goat spider leadership doing?
unidentified		Not good.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Oh, boy.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Not good.
		Eating tin cans and shit.
		It's not what spiders should be doing.
		In this next clip, Alex brings up a primary source and completely lies about it.
		And because Joe doesn't know what this source is, he doesn't push back on it.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And the earth is seen as like an egg yolk to give the propulsion power for this new thing that's going to be born.
		And whether you believe that or not, just like when the new thing meaning artificial intelligence beyond that.
		It's a fusion of artificial intelligence and a whole synthesis of new life forms.
		And so that's the big giant race when Elon Musk came in and told you, because he goes to these billionaire functions and he has a conscience, so he's freaked out.
		And they go to these billionaire functions.
		I don't just know this.
		I've talked to people.
		And I was in Wired magazine 20-something years ago.
		Why the future doesn't need us, Bill Joy, a billionaire, co-owner of some microsystems.
		He goes to a billionaire meeting with 200 guys, and the consensus was: we're not going to let people play video games and party all day.
		We're going to set up a world government.
		We're going to slowly titrate the dose and poison the public, dumb them down, put electromagnetic radiation out with 5G that scrambles their DNA, lowers their IQ.
		We're going to cause mass mental illness and a controlled societal collapse that'll then be organized and controlled in the mop-up crew by robots controlled by the globalist programmers who believe with the off-world entities they're in communication with that they're going to be given the operation to upload and be in that larger kind of board cube system.
		Okay, here's the thing if they sell the country up.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You got to hit the brakes because we need to take this back.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I'm so baffled.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's baffled because Alex is just making stuff up.
		Literally none of that is in Bill Joy's article.
		You can find it.
		We have a link up to it on our website.
		I wrote a big essay about Bill Joy's why the future doesn't need us.
		You can go read it yourself.
		It doesn't say any of that fucking shit.
		The only thing that's close to that in Bill Joy's article is when Bill Joy is quoting Ted Kaczynski Unabomber.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right, right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He wasn't at this conference that he went to among the elites or anything like that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He was talking about someone who had a fear of a terrifying future with technology as an example of like, this is something that someone has suggested.
unidentified		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It has nothing to do with anything.
		Alex is completely lying about this primary source.
		And because Joe, I mean, I appreciate his instinct of like, slow down, press the brake.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right, right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But there's no amount of brake pumping that's going to allow him to read that article in the time that they have on air.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So Alex just gets it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, they were on there for five hours.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So he actually did have plenty of time.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Or Jamie could have.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There's plenty of time for that shit.
		But like, it's just, it's just pathetic.
		Like, this is all lies.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That plan, either, that plan that the globalists have is interesting to me because either it needs to have taken more than one conference to come up with that entire plan.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And yet at the same time, it's such a harebrained, stupid plan.
		It actually could have only taken one conference to come up with that.
		Like, they just kept drinking overnight and they were like, we got it.
		We got a whiteboard.
		We nailed it.
		This plan is going to take the next 30 years.
		We're going to follow it to a T.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't think they were talking about 5G 20 years ago.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I think they were.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't think so.
		I think they knew it.
		I don't think that's the case.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, five years ago, they would have been, or no, 30 years ago.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		How many years ago would it have been?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		20 years ago.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		20 years ago.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		They barely had flip phones.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		20 years ago, they were talking about 1G.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And they were like, well, we assume that we'll have five by then.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, I guess every four years there's a new G. In that sense.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I guess as a hypothetical eventual thing that will lead to 6G.
unidentified		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		We won't make it to 6G, though.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		5G will have already scrambled our DNA, Dan.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Doing the jack off.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Dan, you're making the jack-off.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Aggressively.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, to the point where I'm starting to feel a little uncomfortable.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		If we had an HR department, we would have to have a conversation.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's fine.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We have a locker room environment here at the show.
unidentified		Oh, no.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I got my dad.
		He's the HRF.
		So, in this next clip, they're having a little conversation about Alex's.
		Well, another one of his talking points is like back in the, I don't know, 60s.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Old days.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		They had a plan that they were discussing of trying to bomb the atmosphere or nuke the atmosphere.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's fun.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And so they talk about this.
		And Joe knows about this from like a documentary that he's watched or something like that.
		And this makes Alex super mad.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They detonated a nuclear bomb in the upper.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Trying to blow up the random radiation bomb.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They've done a lot of goofy shit.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		See, that's the thing.
		That's why I got mad at you.
		And I love you.
		You're a smart guy and everything.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No, listen, you got mad at me because we didn't kill you.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You knew all this stuff I know.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You're even better at saying it.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And then you sit there because you can't handle it.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And you sit there and don't.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I can't handle it.
		It's not that I can't handle it.
		There's two factors.
		One, I don't have any time.
		I don't have enough time to go into it as much as you do.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		You asked why I flipped out and got mad at you.
		That's it right there.
		Every time I bring up a fucking subject, you know all about it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I don't know all about this.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		You fucking know all about this shit.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I don't know all about this.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Bullshit.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		You're a smart guy.
unidentified		You see how people go, oh, Joe, Joe's just dumb.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Joe just is a pot.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Bullshit.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		You know exactly what you're doing.
		I don't think you're a bad guy.
		You're trying to survive for you and your family and do good.
		Okay, but my family, your family, none of us are going to make it.
		There's a post-human error coming.
		The breakaway civilization, the deal's been made.
		It's not the third dimension.
		They've made freaking deals with interdimensional aliens.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And notice the media never attacks you for that because that's the truth.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Maybe this is true.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I do not know this.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't know that.
		So Alex is like, the media never attacks me when I say that the government has made deals with interdimensional aliens.
		I think mostly that's because people are like, he's talking shit.
		It's like, who gives a shit?
		It's not like, oh, no, he's onto our secrets.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's fun that Joe did not realize that Alex was absolutely insulting him in the form of a compliment.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's saying he's a cuck.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he's like, everything, you already know everything.
		I mean, a lot of people say you're stupid all the time.
		And I'm just saying that it's not true.
		And you're like, wait, I don't know who's saying he's stupid all the time.
		It kind of sounds like you're saying stupid.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I imagine some people say that he's a meathead or whatever.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, for sure.
		Absolutely.
		But that's something that you don't need to point out in a compliment.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The bigger insult that Alex is making is that you are a coward.
		You know all the things that I know.
		And because you want your family to be safe, you don't talk about it.
		And that pisses Alex off.
		Joe's trying to be like, I don't know this stuff that you think I know.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Because they're not real.
		Yeah.
		I can't look into it because it doesn't exist.
unidentified		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		How do you want me to look into extra-dimensional aliens making contracts with the government?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, you go there.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Joe's done DMT a ton of times, which is what Alex is going to say, is the conduit through which the.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But we'll get to that when we get there.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		All right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		All right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So Alex isn't just taking this appearance on Rogan's show as some kind of a boon to his own life, which obviously it is.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's also trying to extend a ladder down to some of his weirdo friends who also should be on Joe's show.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, God, no.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Here's him trying to get his buddy booked on the Joe Rogan embarrassment.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And I interviewed Nick Beggish.
		You read a Nick Beggish in?
		Dr. Nick Beggish?
		No, my God, he blow you away.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Who is he?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		His dad was a U.S. Congressman that got killed.
		His brother, U.S. Senator.
		He like he should have him on the show.
		They're the guys that got all the money given to the Native Americans.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Can you spell his last name?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Begich.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		He's a good friend of mine.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Can I get him on?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Abso-fricking-we'll fly her right now.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Anyways, the point is...
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He is not busy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What does he do?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		He was telling me all these years ago, he goes, Alex, it isn't chemicals in the food and water.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		That's challenging.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What's the last time, yeah?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Beggitch.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I can only write it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Jamie?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You can only write it?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		It's electrochemical.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What does that even mean?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't know how to spell it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What does that mean?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I can only write it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's muscle memory.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		If you write it, then you can spell it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's muscle memory.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's bananas.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's crazy.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's a bananas thing to say.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's a way of saying I don't know how to spell it without showing ass.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I can only write it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I can only write it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What?
		That's like the.
		Look, I can get if you've only read a word, so you don't know how it's fully pronounced because nobody's said it.
		That makes sense.
		It doesn't work in the inverse.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It does to some extent.
		If, like, what you're saying is, if I write out a word, I can tell if it looks wrong, that sort of thing.
		If that's what he's trying to express, fine.
		But I can only write it as a weird way of saying that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's not a way to say it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Also, Nick Begich, if you're curious and don't remember from our show, he's the guy who has a fake degree from a Sri Lankan diploma mill and wrote a book called Angels Don't Play This Harp about the Harp system.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Which, again, still fucking a great title.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's a complete lunatic.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Still a great title.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And a con man that Alex thinks is a real intellectual, real, real cool dude.
		He's also a favorite among the Project Camelot set.
		Of course.
		So he's real cool.
		In this next clip, there's another instance of Alex bringing up something that is ostensibly defendable by a Google search.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I really wish he had written like Harry Potter, like a whole series of just like angels don't dance on this pin.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And it's all about pin numbers and how they're finding it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Because there's always have to be harp as like the pun.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, that's not the angels.
		That's what I'm saying.
		You switch it around.
		It's like angels don't play in this outfield, and it's about baseball.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Disney is a conspiracy.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that would be nice.
		I don't think he has the interest in it.
		I think he made enough mileage off angels don't play this harp in order to get him booked on the weirdo speaking circuit for the rest of his life.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right, so he doesn't have to write another book.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Why force it?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Says J.K. Rouse.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You only stand to lose something if you're a weirdo and you write a book and it's influential.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like, you can only fuck that up by writing another book that has information in it that can be attacked.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Like the dumb fuck who wrote the I'm a man gorilla, whatever.
		Was that service?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Gorilla mindset.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Gorilla mindset.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The MAGA mindset.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and then wrote another book and everybody's like, you're dumb.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think everyone said he was dumb before, but fair enough.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		True, but his book sales suffered.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So in this next clip, Alex is talking about how cell phones control you and cell phone towers are meant to mind control people.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And those sorts of things, if you just do a cursory Google search, you can find articles in like Scientific American and stuff like that that speculate about these sorts of things, but don't prove Alex's point.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But they just discuss the like similar technologies are useful in different ways and stuff like that.
unidentified		Share shit.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So it's another example of something where Alex can bring this up, Jamie can Google it, and then they'd be like, oh my God, Alex is on to something.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Oh my God.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's another sleight of hand trick that Alex is able to do.
		And I don't want to talk about it because we've gone into it in our show in the past, that specific topic.
		But it's interesting because it leads us to where we're going.
		Where are we going?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		So this is a device given to us by the gods.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Okay, given to us by the technology that the breakaway government, NASA, has developed.
		But you don't just think they've made up themselves, right?
		What do you mean?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Who do you think made it up?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, when you're ready to get to it, I want listeners to understand something.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Notice the media is not going to cover this.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		The media's not?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, they'll cover that one on the show.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		They're not going to cover this.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		The meat.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Because this is not my opinion.
		This is the real research that I have heard that I have talked to Army generals, commanding generals, major generals, general generals, CIA, everybody.
		And they're all 100%.
		And I thought it was a shyout before, and I'm general practice to hundreds of people now.
		Not on air, but I'm going to make a film on this.
		You've taken ayahuasca and DMT.
		I've not taken it for obvious reasons.
unidentified		And which obvious reasons?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And it's unbelievable because, I mean, they 100% in San Francisco is the main project site.
		Literally have an alien base.
		And they are literally communicating.
		And they've got like astronaut-level people taking super hardcore levels of drugs and going into meetings with these things and making intergalactic deals.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Are these intergalactic deals binding?
		What's the overbought?
		What's the body?
		This is bullshit.
		I mean, this is just like this is Project Camelot shit, man.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		They're actually just making deals with the Beastie Boys.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It might be.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It might be.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Also, I think, like, I know that the Getty Museums in Los Angeles, but this is real fucking close to like.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		There's an alien base underneath the Getty Museum.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's very similar in terms.
		I mean, I know San Francisco and Los Angeles.
		It's a bit of a drive.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Did you know that Nazis are underground?
		Sure.
		They have a breakaway civilization with NASA, who gets a budget of 50 bucks a year.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's because there's the shadow budget that includes lots of money for NASA.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right, right, right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Alex is going to explain it all later.
		All the rocket ships and stuff like that.
		That's all a facade.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		It's like Britain.
		There's a shadow parliament as well.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But that's a real thing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So are the alien shadow departments.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Fair enough.
		Fair enough.
		So you do a bunch of DMT.
		Alex has this from major generals, general generals, tons of people that he's never talked to on air and definitely is not going to make a film about.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		They take lots of DMT in ayahuasca and then they go into these conferences with aliens.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Oh, God.
		This is so disappointing.
		This is like, this is your big news.
		You can't prove any of this.
		You're just talking shit.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And it doesn't make any sense.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, and it's fun to talk about when you're high.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And I think that's why Rogan is kind of like not fighting it at all.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And if I were him, I'd probably let him talk too.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But in terms of like, Alex, you are someone who tries to make real-world political statements.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You are somebody who supports, I don't know, Bolsonaro in Brazil.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You're someone who now, even though for years and years has been like principally opposed to regime change, you are now supporting what's going on in Venezuela.
		You cannot say that the big deal when you're on a show, they're like, I was listening to this live.
		There was like 120,000 people watching it live.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Jesus.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You can't say that the big thing behind everything is major general generals doing ayahuasca and making contracts with aliens.
		You're a fucking asshole.
		You're a joke.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		This is pathetic.
		I don't like that I feel like he was fucking with us a little bit with the general general generals.
		Yeah, the whole long list of generals was you know you're full of shit on this.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He uses vamping, I think, a little bit.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And then later, he actually, he has one specific reference for who he's talking about, and it'll be disappointing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Stubblebine?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		You bet.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Bring back the Stubblebine.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He does bring up Stubblebine.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		How's Sylvine doing?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's dead.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well, you're doing a great show.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Thanks.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Real funny point, too.
		Later, he says that Stubblebein was a three-star general.
		Sylvine was a two-star general.
		Oh, Alex doesn't even know the rank of the person that he's saying is who cares.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		How many stars can you get?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		69.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Ah, nice.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So Alex has never done DMT for obvious reasons.
		It is.
		That was very dumb.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That was super dumb.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He hasn't done DMT for obvious reasons.
		Right.
		Which I don't know.
		I don't know.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		They would mess with his Adderall?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		If he says that I don't do it for obvious reasons, the only thing I can think of that's an obvious reason is...
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's illegal.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well...
		Well, yeah, but there's ways you can still do it.
		Like, you know, native places, temples, and stuff like that.
		There are loopholes and stuff like that.
		You could do it fine with the legal stuff.
		I think it's just that he thinks drugs are bad or something like that.
		That's the only obvious reason.
		Or he thinks it's intrinsically evil to do those drugs.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Or he's afraid of the interdimensional being.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He doesn't want that to be because he's not afraid of anything.
		He doesn't want that to be the obvious reason.
		But I don't know.
		The point is, he's never done it for obvious reasons, but he's basically done DMT every night of his life.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		With his mind.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He's so alien that if an alien landed right now in our parking lot and a little gray man with big black eyes got out, it would be nothing compared to what I've seen on psychedelic trips.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, let me just tell you, me getting into this, Joe, is just because people need to understand that I've known about this for a long time, and I just don't think people are ready for it.
		But a lot of folks who have low oxygen and who have nine-volt brains.
		Well, who have sleep apnea, big necks, big heads, tongues go big?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like you and me.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		You go down to 62% oxygen.
		That's another time that the brain releases DMT.
		So my whole life, since I was about, my first memories were every night was a DMT trip.
		So I basically, I don't want this to sound arrogant.
		It's not.
		I've seen everything.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I've seen everything.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		God damn it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I've seen everything.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I have fucking mild hallucinations every night, so I know that aliens are real.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It seems unlikely to that he's had this his whole life.
		You know, like if what he's describing is like his super out of shapeness and his massive neck causes the sleep apnea, then I would believe that that's more of a recent development in his life.
		It does seem that way.
		I don't know.
		I don't care to litigate that, really.
		I just bring that up as like Alex trying to sort of big dick the entire, like, you've done DMT in ayahuasca a couple times.
		I do it every night, buddy.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I know more.
		I've seen everything.
		Even in this, Joe, you think that this is your turf?
		I got bad news for you.
		I'm above your turf.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What a dick.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What a fucking dick.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's pretty bad.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't want to be friends with the one-up the story guy where it's like, hey, I had this really fun thing happen to me.
		You think that's cool?
		Guess what?
		My story is.
		Fuck off.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's not even one-up the story.
		It's one-up the life.
		It's one-up the identity.
		It's just everything.
		It's just a gross.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm you, but better.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		So at this point in the episode, we get into the first instance of Alex talking about childhood memories.
		And there are a number of them that some of them are pretty close to things that we've heard before.
		And those things are fleshed out a little bit more because he's wasted.
		And then some of them are completely new developments that lead me to one of my new conclusions.
		And that is that Alex Jones' dad, David Jones, might be a complete lunatic.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That sounds right, though.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We've touched on him in the sense that, like, you know, he was clearly into the John Birch Society, and he had some weird influences that passed down to Alex.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But some of these stories that Alex tells are It's hard to say what the line is between like Alex's dad is possibly crazy or Alex completely misremembers things from his youth and is allowing his dad to be cast as a lunatic in these backstories.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right, right, right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Do we get to remove the probably from technically probably kill a guy?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Maybe.
		That'll be at the end of this episode.
		But there is some developments on that front.
unidentified		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So in this first one, Alex was seven years old and he heard his dad talking about his dentistry practice, but there was more there than meets the tooth.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, oh, boy.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Let me try to be clear.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I'm having a good time with you.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I just want you to know.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Let me try to be clear.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I can't say all of this on air.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Why?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And I'm going to leave it at that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		For obvious reasons.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I'm on record 20 years ago before anybody else was talking about the clockwork elves and how the globalists think they're in touch with these things.
		Only because, and I don't want to get, I'm not the CIA.
		The CIA is bigger than Coca-Cola.
		It's like bigger than Walmart.
		I don't know if you've been in an intelligence agency.
		I've never been a part of any of this stuff.
		But I had family that was in advanced DARPA research projects that I don't know all the details about.
		And when I was a kid, my dad told me about some of it, not knowing I'd be a talk show host later.
		But like when the deputy director of the CIA needed to have the tooth pulled, he gave it to my dad.
		Okay.
		So my dad was like the doctor to these guys and dentists.
		I remember sitting around the kitchen table when I'm like seven.
		He's like, Carol, I can't tell you all about it, but it's a classified program in Maryland at an underground base.
		And they won't give me all the details, but it's double the money I'm making now.
		This is for national security.
		But I think it's basically, you know, we're building cyborgs and we've got special forces that have volunteered so we can infiltrate the Russians and get codes and systems in.
		I believe it's implanting messages in their teeth.
		And I also think it's not doing plants.
		I think it's a brain surgery program for microchips.
		Okay.
		And so I'm hearing, and Carol's like, David, I'm sick of these people.
		And you've already done so much for the government.
		And look what they've already done to you.
		And my son said, I'm sick of you.
		You're not going to be, you know, I want you out of this.
		So this is like, you know, seven eight years old.
		You're not hearing about the cyborgs.
		Okay.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		So that's the kind of stuff that I grew up seeing.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So a couple things that I find really important in there.
		One is that he calls his parents by their first name as opposed to like highlighting their relation to each other, which is weird.
		And then second, like, I don't understand why his dad would be like, I can't talk about this national security project, but I bet it involves cyborgs.
unidentified		It's like, that's what you're not supposed to talk about.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Why are you starting the sentence with, I can't talk about this, but here it is.
		That's how Alex talks.
		That's how Alex reveals information.
		He prefaces things with like, I can't get into this.
		I'm not supposed to talk about this, but here it goes.
		So I hear this.
		I think of this more as an expression of Alex Jones' fantasies from his childhood than actually a memory of his dad explaining to Carol what was going on with these tooth cyborgs.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Either that or DDS David was fucking with Alex from a very young age.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I think that if Alex is just been fucking with Alex this whole time.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think that's terrible abuse.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He has brought a horrible entity into the world.
		But I think that even if he wasn't fucking with him, there's clear indications that he's allowed Alex to believe these things for years without correcting him.
		Or maybe he has and Alex just doesn't give a shit.
		Maybe he's like, Alex, you know I wasn't working on fucking cyborgs when you were a kid.
		Right.
		It's ridiculous.
		And Alex is just like, I just hear you confessing, quite frankly.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I hear a whitewash story that you're giving me, and this is proof that you made tooth cyborgs.
unidentified		Do you think the CIA has a rule about tooth cyborgs?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, the rule is let's go for it.
		But, I mean, like, going under in that kind of thing, like getting any kind of laughing gas or I'm positive that there's some sort of like NDA.
		Yeah, there has to be.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, because of, like, if you're unconscious or in Twilight or whatever, you could say something that you shouldn't.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That sort of thing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Or you could start fucking with DDS David, which is the new way that I'm going to say it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Or he's just like, hey, man, we have cyborg teeth.
unidentified		Ah!
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, can I get that pulled?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I could definitely see a situation where if you had to go under anesthesia or something like that for a treatment, they would only allow a dentist or doctor who had been vetted and had an NDA in place or something like that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I could see that being one of their security protocols, or I could see it being a thing where you can only get local anesthetic or topical anesthetic.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		See, that's kind of what I was seeing.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Where it's like, even if you're getting a root canal, you can only get the Novocaine.
		Yeah.
		Because the risk of you divulging something is too high.
		Or, a third possibility would be...
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		There really are Cyborg Tooth.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Wow, that's a fourth possibility, which I discount entirely.
		But the third possibility I could see would be like you can go in, but you're always being monitored.
		Like someone is there.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Okay, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like you have an attaché who's monitoring you while you're under in order to make sure you don't say anything.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I like to imagine that attaché has a briefcase handcuffed to his hand.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Could be.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That'd be fun.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		So I don't know.
		Whatever the case is, I don't believe Alex is bullshit.
		His stories of his seven-year-old memories and stuff.
		But this next clip gives us an indication that Alex Jones' dad is not on the up and up, or at least Alex's version of him isn't, because Alex showed him endgame when he was making it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Alex showed his dad endgame.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And his dad had a strange response to that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Go fuck yourself.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, that would not be a strange response.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		His mom seems to think that this is all bullshit.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Which is a normal response.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		His dad, quite different.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		My dad never told me about all this stuff when I was older till it was like 12 years ago, and I was finishing Endgame Blueprint for Global Enslavement.
		That's free still online.
		And it's all about the world government and how the cell phone's watching you and everything's proven in it.
unidentified		Nope.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		It didn't come true.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		It was already true.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Nope.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Nope.
		And the plan for one world government and don't have kids and all that.
		An attack on the family.
		And we were going to go to a ballet recital for like my three-year-old daughter.
		She's like 14 now or whatever.
		And they sit down for like an hour and watch the end of the film.
		It's a three-hour film.
		And my mom goes, David, that's not true.
		He goes, yes, it's all true.
		When I was in junior in high school, they recruited me into the program there.
		And they brought us in.
		They said the Nazis were wrong because they were only targeting certain groups.
		We're going to target everybody.
		And so planetary breakaway and world government.
		And there's a nuclear reactor under UT and all this other stuff.
		Which later I went to research is actually true.
		It's not even hidden.
		But the point is, it's not that my dad was even that special.
		My dad was like scored like the sixth smartest in Texas.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This is stuff we've talked about before.
		It's just this ludicrous idea of how these globalists work.
		Like the idea that these kids got really high test scores, so they tried to recruit them by telling them that the Nazis were bad because they didn't harm enough people.
		And we're going to fix that by targeting everybody.
		And they reveal all of this plan like a James Bond villain before these kids have even signed on with the plan or not.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And then don't kill the kids when they reject the offer or whatever.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's a completely ludicrous, childish idea of how some sort of shadowy operation would work.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He's talking about Ender's game.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he's talking about.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's what it is.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, probably.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I've never read it, but I assume that you have, and you're making a great reference.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I trust you.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You're giving me the better of the doubt, Dan.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I trust you.
		But yeah, this is a child's understanding of something and the way a child hero worships their dad by trying to make them into.
		I don't even believe that statewide testing exists to decide who the smartest kid in Texas is.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm starting to believe David isn't even his fucking dad.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He is.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I found this out.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I've figured that out.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But, I mean, look.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You did some DMT and figured it out.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Talked to aliens.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Gotcha.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		They made me sign a contract proving that Alex Jones' dad's name David.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What's that contract written in?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Blood.
unidentified		Oh.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We later find out the aliens love blood.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But we're talking about.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		How about chocolate?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He doesn't bring it up.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He does say he does say that there's tons of different races of aliens.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Are you angling for Carrie?
unidentified		Pleiadians?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Are you trying to get on projects?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I know who's the Pleiadian.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Carrie is.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, absolutely.
		So at this next point, Alex brings up abortion.
		And they have a little conversation about how there are people who are trying to keep babies alive to sell their organs post-birth.
		Right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Why not?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And that's what Governor Northam in Virginia was talking about when he did an interview.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		In Blackface.
unidentified		Nope.
unidentified		Nope.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But we do find out why that happened.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Racism.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's a blackface thing.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, it wasn't about that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I really think it was.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, it might have initially been.
		But the reason that the story came forward is because we'll get to it.
		He was being blackmailed.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He was being blackfaced, actually, is what we call it now.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We'll get blackmailface.
		We'll get to that in a second.
		But in this next clip, Alex talks about how abortion is really just about stealing babies' organs.
		And I have some thoughts on the other side.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		That's why they've, not a lot of nurses have noticed now that babies disappear at birth.
		They tell them, oh, your baby died.
		That's why the governor said, who's actually an organ harvesting doctor?
		He goes, we keep the babies alive after they're born and have a discussion.
		They're getting caught now because we've decompartmentalized.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Wait a minute.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I'm confused at what you're saying.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		See how it just never rinsed.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		What are you saying about babies?
		Like, what are they doing with babies?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		You saw the governor of Virginia say we keep babies alive after they're born and kill them, right?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, I didn't see them comfortably.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I am very, very concerned with late-term abortion.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You shouldn't be able to do it.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		This is post-birth, John.
unidentified		Stop it.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I understand.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Post-birth.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		How much money do you think they get for a seven and a half pound baby they can keep alive for two weeks?
		And mama doesn't know.
		So if they can register the organs and get bidders, wait a minute.
		You're saying they can make $500,000.
		Wait a minute, you're not saying that a baby that they kill on the spot only gets $50,000.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So you have $50,000 for a fetus, but you have $500,000 for a two-week-old baby with the organs.
		Now, here's what I want to say: his whole argument about chimeras is that they're trying to create organ harvesting type things with chimeras.
		So if abortion is what they're doing that for, it kind of defeats the purpose of chimeras.
		These are kind of the same thing.
		I don't understand why you need both.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, chimeras are just a better renewable resource.
		You know, you see how the birth rates are going down, of course.
		You got to, you know, if we're not having enough kids to abort after they were born.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I know Jim Kramer from Mad Money, his big message was always diversify.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Diversify.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So that makes sense.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I guess my complaint goes out the window.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's like the UAE, man.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		They control a lot more oil, so we're trying to find our own sources of energy.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		True.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Women control all the babies.
		We can't be having that.
		We've got to make sure that they're fucking subjugated.
		So that's why we're creating spider goats.
		It makes perfect sense.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Makes sense.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So his whole entire argument hinges around the idea that the governor of Virginia was on a radio show and he was asked about a measure that was being discussed that would put no limit really on when an abortion could be done.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, which is a good thing.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't like...
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Between the appropriate care of a physician and a woman, there should not be a limit.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But it is important that the appropriate care piece is there, you know, you need to have doctors who know what they're doing and are acting responsibly.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, they're being killed by anti-abortion activists.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Unfortunately.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but I don't like two 40-something-year-old men talking about abortion, period.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Like, I don't like it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I kind of don't even like when we talk about it other than to be like, hey, go for it if you want it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You know?
		But I think that when we are talking about it, we have to because Alex and Joe have forced our hand in terms of we're covering this.
		If we didn't, it would be a glaring omission.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right, right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Because of something that happens later that is completely fucked up.
		But the important thing to consider is that Ralph Northam, when he was on this radio show, he did say something to the effect of after if the woman goes into labor, you can keep the baby comfortable and resuscitated if that's what the parent wants.
		He wasn't precise enough in his language, and he was speaking really poorly.
		But what he was talking about is an unviable child that is still born by labor.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And it being born.
		An unviable child or a child with a birth defect.
		There are examples you can find all over the place.
		Like a child that's born with half a brain or something like that, and it just will not survive.
		That sort of thing.
		It's not talking about post-birth abortions.
		It's not talking about euthanasia or anything like that.
		It's talking about a very, very rare situation wherein a baby is born completely unviable.
		And if the parent does want to resuscitate it and try to keep it alive, then why would they not do that?
		In the meantime, keeping the baby comfortable to the greatest extent you can isn't necessarily some sort of a weird, nefarious thing.
		They're making a completely bad argument out of intentionally misunderstanding what the guy said.
		And I got no skin in the game in defending him.
		He's a piece of shit.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I just don't like.
		How could you not have empathy for that kind of situation where the baby is alive?
		You know, you'd almost rather it was stillborn because if the baby's alive and they're trying to keep it alive, you're going to watch something slowly die.
		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There's a story that you can read.
		There's a story you can read.
		I can't remember exactly where it was, but there was a lady who had come out and she did not have a late-term abortion because it was very difficult for her to get one in the state that she was in.
		And she had this child, and she has now wished that she had got a late-term abortion because the child ended up had so many medical complications.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And they worked their ass off, spent so much money trying to keep it alive.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And it still died anyway.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It died within a year of being born.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		God.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And there was indications still in utero that that was going to be the case.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But she couldn't travel across state lines to get the abortion that she needed.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That is fucking brutal.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So there's situations like that, and that's exactly the sort of situation that this governor was talking about.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And that Alex is misrepresenting to feed his anti-abortion propaganda position.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		How can your stated position be, I want to watch a parent be tortured and then have them watch their kid die?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Because he doesn't care.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's fucking awful.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		How can you not even have the slightest bit of empathy for that?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Because, I mean, if you want to talk about it in the crassest sense possible, it's because everybody on the right really understands that maintaining this abortion position is essential to them ever winning an election.
		Because without the evangelical vote, and that's a big part of how they hinge the evangelicals, without that block and the anti-abortion bloc that's within the right-wing coalition, they're fucked.
		Yeah, exactly.
		They lose that.
		The single-issue voters in terms of abortion are what keeps the right-wing and the GOP alive.
unidentified		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And so you have to.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And it's just like with guns, the idea of if you give even an inch, it's going to be whittled away.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Guns and abortions are two of the biggest things that allow the GOP and the conservative party to build their fucking party into giving all of their money away to the rich.
unidentified		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Smart.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And to ignore all of the things that go along with the program that don't fit with, like, let's say the evangelicals' belief system.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		God, I hate that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That sort of thing.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So anyway, Alex is wrong about this, and he makes a meal out of talking about it, and it's gross.
		And then he plays the video.
		He has them play the video.
		Jamie pulls it up.
		And yeah, you know, Governor Northam does say, you know, you keep the baby comfortable.
		And he does have a bit of a southern accent, so Alex gets to be like, didn't I do a good impression?
unidentified		Oh, boy.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But because they.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I thought he was doing Bernie.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Because they have that answer that the governor gives, and it's out of context, and they don't have explanatory context or anything like that.
		There's no time for that on the show.
		Alex gets to present this as another win.
		I told you the governor said they keep babies alive.
		Therefore, my conjecture that they keep them alive for two weeks to harvest their organs is also true.
		And Joe doesn't have a foot to stand on because he got his mind blown by this clip of Governor Northam.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		God damn it.
		That's how this works.
		How can that happen?
		Literally, all I can think of.
		Well, if you're playing a clip, my next thought is like, tell me how this makes sense.
		Because this is the same thing.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, but that's because Joe is relying on Alex to be me in that situation.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's fucking stupid.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Because he's sitting next to a duplicitous liar.
unidentified		Oh, God.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I know.
		So Alex needs a little bit more support for his argument, other than this completely misrepresented clip of the governor.
		And so what do you know?
		Here's what he pulls from.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		So you saw the Planned Parenthood videos out of Texas and California two years ago that Project Veritas Hunters got, where they're saying, I'm getting a yellow Ferrari.
		Man, I'm making hundreds of thousands off each baby week with partial birth.
		They keep the baby alive.
		They take it in the back.
		And then they have a van pull-up that takes it to a Chinese government-run facility in the U.S.
		And they got the sucker.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Okay, prove that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What kind of van?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Would it be like a stealth cleaning van?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Prove that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Saw it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So what he's talking about isn't the Project Camelot, Project Camelot, Project Veritas van.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It might as well be.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Those weren't the ones he's specifically talking about, although they did also do manipulative edited videos about Planned Parenthood.
		This is the Center for Medical Progress videos that came out in 2015 that were a complete hoax, completely manipulatively edited that got these guys in a bit of hot water about it legally for videotaping these people without consent and for misrepresenting what the full tapes showed.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		So Alex is what happens.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So Alex complains that people edit and chop his stuff to make him sound different.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		When you actually do that, you get into legal trouble.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		True.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And Alex will then use that as evidence that he's right about that.
unidentified		Exactly.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's fucking stupid.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We'll get back to this topic of Alex's feelings about abortion a little bit later because he has a bit of a blow-up and starts screaming in a probably fake way, but also seems kind of real.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		His face looks terrifyingly angry.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, he's drunk, so there's a part of you.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's about four Tito's in.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, if you're fake angry when drunk, that'll turn into real anger.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's easy to skip over that line without realizing it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But before we get there, we have to hear a deeply troubling revelation from Alex's life.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I remember when I was growing up in Rockwell, Texas, I ran into like a satanic cult.
		I was like, God, this girl's a senior in high school.
		She's super hot.
		I'm in ninth grade, and she's picking me up in her Mercedes, and I'm taking me to some mansion.
		And the sex with her is incredible.
		And I'm walking out of the house because I look like I was about 16 when I was 13.
		And the dad goes, you like, screwing my daughter.
		Yeah, I screw her too.
		Just as soon as you join us, you love Lucifer.
		You get all the hell you want, boy, because we want you.
		But oh, yeah.
		But that's still, yeah, man.
		I have an incredible life.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That is not an incredible life.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That is a deeply fucked up story.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There are so many levels to that that are deeply fucked up.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like, just like just like if you take even having sex with this older woman at the time when you're 13.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Problematic.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, even if you take that out of the equation, being in that household, experiencing something like that.
		Like, let's say he's just friends with this girl and he's over and the dad's like, I fuck my daughter.
		You want to join our satanic cult?
		That would be deeply traumatizing.
		The idea that you now incorporate that.
		He's saying the sex with her was awesome.
		That implies that they had sex multiple times.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		At least.
		So he's saying, oh, God, like, you are not capable of processing sexual intercourse and the intimacy that comes along with it when you're 13.
		And a 17-year-old girl having sex with a 13-year-old boy is abuse.
		That is profoundly fucked up.
		I don't care if Alex looked like he was 16 at the time or anything like that.
		That is not good.
		That is very bad.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, when I was 15, I was dating somebody older than me.
		She was 17.
		She was a senior at the time.
		And it was very much like, we didn't sleep together because that was a whole mess.
		You know, like, that was one of those things where both of us were like, we're in high school.
		Let's just be cool.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But some, I think that's good.
		I also want to say, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off.
		No, but I wanted to say some of the ideas that Alex is expressing there, I don't think, are real.
		Like, I don't think that he tried to get inducted into a satanic cult.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think that's probably just his weird fantasizing memory.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's probably a function of him being completely fucked up.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, oh, can you imagine going anywhere and having somebody's father who you're sleeping with say, I sleep with her too, that doesn't end in like, that's a joke, right?
		No.
		Okay, cool.
unidentified		I'm going to run as far and as fast as I can.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't care if there's a Mercedes involved.
		I'm going to light that on fire.
		I'm a way out of here.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Alex then gets into the idea that satanic cults tried to get him involved.
		And part of the, he said that he was a hardcore Satanist on a past episode when he was younger.
		So that implies that he did go along with it.
		Because this is him trying to get recruited into a satanic group.
		He said he was in a satanic group.
		It follows that he was in.
		Now, a little bit later, he says that in order to get into satanic groups, you have to kill your dog.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He does say that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		We're right.
		Where's Nonk?
		He killed Nunk.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's implied.
		Well, I mean, he's presenting it as like, I wouldn't ever do that.
		I never did this.
		But we do have evidence that he's killed dogs before.
		Not necessarily his dog.
		Maybe it was just a dog with rabies that he had to stomp into the ground or whatever.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Which was deeply fucked up as well.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But if you take the pieces, like the little parts, they do seem to add up to he killed Nonk in order to get into a satanic cult.
		Jesus Christ.
		That is a possible timeline that happened in Alex's life.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		This is not good.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, but I have to clarify that I don't believe most of this.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Cruelty to animals is one of the signature signs of a serial killer.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I believe he was cruel to animals, but I don't believe the window dressing of this story.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The satanic cult, the dad who's fucking his daughter, Alex, I believe maybe he had inappropriate sexual relations as a younger man.
unidentified		I do believe that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I buy that part is possible.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I buy that one hard.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And I believe that he's still suffering from some of the trauma involved in that and not processing it in any real way.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Definitely not in a healthy way.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No.
		So presented without comment here is something that Alex says that is really one of the reasons why Joe should think twice about having him on his show.
		And also, if you're going to let him be on the show, push back on things like this because Joe doesn't.
		This is so fucked up.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		You have to know the darker elements of the criminal networks that are inside our government are actually running Mexico as a laboratory test.
		Because they know Native Americans are.
		Native Americans are dung-ho and they're tough and they're ready to fight.
		And I'm part Native American, only like 6% Comanche.
		And Texas.
		And just that little bit makes me wild.
		And so they can get them because they're powerful.
		They're smart.
		They're neat.
		They're cool.
		But genetically, they go into groupthink really, really fast.
		And so Native Americans, you can mind control really fast.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Why is that?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's like Vietnam.
		I mean, you know, the Bering Lands trade.
		And basically, they test the genetics of Mesoamericans.
		It's basically Chinese.
		Hun, because there was always some whites and Vikings even 10,000 years ago going in the area.
unidentified		Hold up.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		But in fights, in Korea, fighting the Chinese.
		That's who we're really fighting there.
		Or Vietnam.
		Do you think freaking, I mean, they're like they're conscious and real people, but when they get into a fight, they all sync up and are robots and have no fear.
		You're talking about psychotic killers, you're fighting.
		And so Asians are by about the most fearless killers there are.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like the Mongols.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Any of them.
		I mean, once Asians go to war, it's like they do not.
		In fact, they're not even crazed going wild in a battle.
unidentified		What?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		They're like robots coming to kill you.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What do you think that's from?
		Do you think that's from their heritage of war?
		That they have a long, like if you think about Japan, Japan has a long history of being a noble warrior culture with the samurais and all the markets.
		What do you say?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Is it from the nobility?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		It's the genetics.
unidentified		No, no, no.
unidentified		No.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Oh, boy.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I said, presented without comment because I refuse to even engage with that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's just deeply demonstrative of how Alex thinks.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That is deeply fucked up.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's crazy.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That is a crazy thing to say.
		Okay.
		This is something I want to ask because I do feel like it's important.
		Joe is coming off like the shittiest piece of shit that could be in your clips.
unidentified		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So I just want to confirm that this is the tenor of the interview and not like you're you're because we're cutting clips about Alex.
unidentified		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So naturally, that kind of follows that Joe wouldn't have his highlight reel involved, you know?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't want to answer that question until we get a little bit further.
unidentified		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Because, like I said, there's a rogue variable that changes everything.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But I will say this.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Is Eddie Bravo going?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't want to say.
		Look, here's the thing.
		Here's the thing.
		I think that Joe got a sense.
		And I don't think that he fully understood that Alex was lying to him about this Andy Hook stuff, even still.
		Yeah.
		But I think that he probably got a sense within the first 20 minutes or so of like, this is going to be fucked up.
		Because Alex comes in with a head of steam and he's just ranting while Joe tries to respond to things.
		It's like, hold on, slow down, slow down.
		And Alex isn't slowing down.
		So I think he kind of realizes like, this isn't going to be whatever I want it to be.
		So let's just lean into it.
		And so instead of being like, Alex, what are you saying Native Americans are easy to mind control?
		What the fuck are you talking about?
		Prove your premise.
		Or anything like that.
		He's just like, well, do you think that there's a cultural explanation for why Asian military tradition goes the way that it does in China and stuff like that?
		And Alex says, no, it's genetics.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Because I think he's checked out a little bit because he realizes he's playing handball with the curtains.
		He's not going to be able to play an actual game or have a real conversation.
		Alex is going to get the points he wants across.
		And then as soon as Joe responds to something, Alex will take the conversation in a new direction that he can control.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		And it's like to a certain extent, it is still a show.
		So he can either have a show or he can have a fight.
		Yeah.
		And then it's over after an hour.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So he's got to be.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Exactly, exactly.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And I think that...
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Which is kind of cowardly to...
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Eh, whatever.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Whatever.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Whatever.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm not going to legislate, or I'm not going to litigate that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think that what's going on too is that, like, yeah, it's just sort of like a don't rock the boat kind of thing.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And a recognition of, like, what are we going to do?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		What are we going to do?
		What's the game that we're going to play?
		But to answer your question more specifically, you're saying that Joe's coming off like a pile of shit.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think that there's an argument you could make that that's a fair assessment.
		But I also think that there's an argument you could make of him being a showman in this situation, trying to moderate whatever is being said as best he can, and then just doing a terrible job of it.
		So I think that there's, I don't think it's his intention to be a piece of shit, but I also think he doesn't recognize some of the things Alex is saying.
		I think he gets caught up in trying to make sense of Alex's words and his rhetoric, and he misses point A because Alex is already on to point B. Right, right, right.
		So there's some of that, and you can't.
		It's one of the intrinsic problems of why you should never have Alex on your show.
		He's going to say things that you're just incapable of responding to, and then it's broadcast unchallenged, unquestioned on your show to 120,000 people live and more people after the fact.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we have a clear track record of like either you don't challenge him and he says a ton of bullshit and you gave him a platform to do it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Or you do challenge him and he gets in a fight with you and then he gets even more publicity.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Or he gets really weird like that Patrick Batt David interview where he turns it super esoteric.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And that shit.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You're not going to.
		There's no.
		It's like fucking the only way to win is not to play.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Like that's the situation there.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's war games.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I agree.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So he's talking about these genetic mind controllability levels of various races, which isn't good.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that's the type of racism that you're like, this is bad racism, but also, I mean, nobody else is throwing that racism around.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think some people are.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		But Native Americans are easy to mind control?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Maybe not that specific.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That one's real specific.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's pretty specific, but I think it's sort of an offshoot of a lot of the sort of race realism, the sort of scientific racism.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, that exists in the right wing today.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Stéphane Molyneux and that fucker.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, those sorts.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think there is some of that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I think he gets hit by a truck.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Which is why this naturally transitions into a talk about intelligence.
		And Alex does.
		He does his standard shit about how the Japanese and the whites are the highest lord.
		But that's not to say blacks are dumb.
		I don't care about that.
		We don't need to listen to that again, but it leads to this, which I think is preposterous.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		So there's not just one type of intelligence.
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, for sure.
		Yeah.
		Well, there's, I mean, there's tests that you can run in terms of mathematics, but there's no real tests you can run in terms of social media.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		The real test is psychic connectivity, and they've proven the DNA is a transceiver.
		And so my skill is, that's why I'm usually kind of like almost autistic, is I'm just being constantly like everything that's going on.
		But then if I actually focus in, I can like figure out the exact enemy operation.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's why they're really pissed.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's not why people are pissed.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't think anyone would give a shit.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Your psychic connectivity skills.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So he's trying to talk about morphic knowledge and all of that shit.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		God, that's so stupid.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		So in this next clip, Alex complains about people making accusations about him that lead to real-world consequences.
		And I find that deeply, deeply ironic.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		They have Stephen Colbert get up on air and say that I'm a KKK member and make jokes.
		And you know what?
		People shouted at me on the street.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's unfortunate.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you want to know?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		No.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Stephen Colbert said you're a KKK guy and then people yelled at you.
		You said that people whose families died are actors and they got harassed and got death threats.
		I don't give a fuck if someone yelled at you because someone made a joke about you in a late night show.
		I mean, sure, I don't like any kind of harassment falling on people.
		I think that that's, I wouldn't support that.
		I'm sure that Stephen Colbert didn't say that Alex was a Klan member.
		I'm sure there was a joke that he was making that compared the two or something like that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he didn't just like say, hey, welcome back to the late show.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Alex Jones is a Klan member, and now we're going to start the show.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Or I'm sure that Stephen Colbert didn't get on air and be like, listen, guys, I didn't believe that Alex was a Klan member, but now I have new information that I have found.
		And hey, I take no pleasure in reporting this to you.
		Alex Jones is a Klan member.
		And now let's have an interview with, I don't fucking know, Bradley Cooper.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Fuck it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's not the way it went.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Bradley, how do you feel about the Klan?
		I've been a member since 1944.
		Wait, wait, wait, wait, what?
unidentified		What?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Hold up.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's what Alex did to the Sandy Hook family members.
		And so any kind of attempt for him to be like, I'm a victim of this negative attention because people malign me.
		It's like, take a number, asshole.
		You are way more guilty of that than anybody else.
		So I'm going to revoke that victim card from you.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I kind of don't give a fuck, Alex.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You can go fuck yourself.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		So in this next clip, Alex talks about how he knows a guy in the UFC who he won't name.
		He will not name this guy.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He's about to name that guy.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's not.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He's going to say his name.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He won't name this guy.
unidentified		No.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He's going to say his name.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, no.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I know he's going to say his name.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, he doesn't actually say his name.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, because it's all made up.
		But he will not name this guy.
		But he was going to get a TV show.
		But then things turned bad because the network had a strange demand.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Here's an example.
		There's a very well-known UFC fighter that you know who has shows on the Discovery Industry Channel.
		I'm not going to say his name.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And I got a call about a month ago, and they're like, wow, this is incredible.
		Don't say my name, but you can talk about it.
		They were going to offer me this new big lucrative show, but they said, you're going to come out and denounce Alex Jones on the show, or we're not going to give you the show.
		And he said no.
		So hell yeah, man.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Huh.
		You're going to denounce him on the show.
		Why would they need that from you?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		From him.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but why would they need that from him?
		Because you're supposed to need him here to denounce you on the show.
		I'm not that important.
		But that gives you even more attention.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, let me explain.
		That's their delusion.
		Okay, well, then why did everybody else censor?
		Why did Hitler censor?
		Why did the Russians censor?
		Like you think, most of the time, censorship actually works.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but that's a weird one, man.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Someone's saying they're not going to give you a gig unless you specifically denounce Alex Jones.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		It happens.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What kind of show is it?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Is it a cooking show?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		No.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Joe, Joe, let me break this down for you.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I swear my kids are told you the truth about that.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I believe you.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I believe you.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But I'm saying it just seems so crazy that they would ask him to not denounce you on a television show.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I'm not saying it's impossible.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		That's what everybody who's not independent is told because they're beholden to other people.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You're a rarity.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't like this.
		I don't like the fact that this is Joe's best pushback moment.
		This is the moment where Joe's like, hey, dude, I am actually in show business.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And in UFC.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I've done all of that.
		I've been given shows.
		That's not how it goes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's absurd for you to be suggesting this.
		It's an embarrassing narrative for you to be putting forth about your own oppression and how everybody has to denounce you or else they can't work.
		It's the mark of the beast is saying that Alex Jones is awful.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That sort of thing.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think that he just got too close to where Joe lives.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Because it's show business and it's UFC related.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's trying to appeal to Joe and be like, there are people who are.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It could be you next.
		When in reality, on Alex's show, he said that Joe has been threatened and to denounce him and stuff like that.
		And that's why he was behaving that way.
		At the end, there, when he's like, you're a rarity.
		You're one of the few.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Is he just talking about Joe?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, he's pandering to Joe.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		At the end, though, he's like, you're one of the only people who's independent and does their own thing.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's reneging on all of the things that he's said about Joe in the last month or so.
unidentified		He said that he is a complete shill, all this stuff.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He pretends he's independent, but he takes money from Jack Dorsey.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Also, I don't like Joe recognizing exactly what's going on in both that story and not recognizing that the same thing is going on on his show, where he's like, wait, if that guy denounces you, that only gives you more attention.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And you're like, dude, you get it, but you're having him on your show.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but I think Joe understands that he's giving Alex more attention.
		But I think he thinks that he's much more harmless than he is because he doesn't recognize those things that Alex says that are completely not based in reality that are super dangerous and racist.
		Things like Native Americans are easy to mind control.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Shit like that.
		He doesn't recognize that as being as toxic and cancerous from a rhetoric standpoint.
		And so he's just like, ah, whatever.
		He's obsessed with being the guy who I'll talk to whoever.
		Like he had Tyson on the other day.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like, not the other day, but a little bit back.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Mike fucking Tyson on this show.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I thought you were talking about former Chicago comedian Tarson Karras.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He did not make a video.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He is really gone up in the market.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, to the stars.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Doesn't he live in Australia now or something?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't know maybe.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't know why we need to put his business out there.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So yeah, I mean, Joe's obsessed with that image.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Being the guy, you know, like, I don't care, right-wing, left-wing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's important to have conversations in the world.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's all about this.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, like, I'm not an interviewer.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm just having a conversation with people who are interesting.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		First, Alex came for the Native Americans, and I said nothing.
		Then he went for the Asians, and I said nothing.
		But he came at me about UFC, and I'm going to shut that shit down.
		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to push back pretty hard.
		Hell yeah.
		So, like, the two of them had a bit of a fight.
		And I think it's an open question how much of that was a stunt on Alex's part.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The intensity with which he followed through with it, and, like I said, the level of things he was doing, like putting Joe's family's business in the streets and stuff like that, betraying confidences and stuff like that, doesn't make like that's a bad publicity stunt if that's what Alex was intending to do.
		If he was trying to bait him into a war or something like that, that makes sense.
		But the end result of that wouldn't be to get on his show.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It would be to get Joe to talk about him on the show and create some sort of echo machine.
		Yeah.
		But whatever the case is, Alex explains in this next clip what he felt the breaking point with Joe was when he realized this guy is too far gone.
		I got to take him on.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Where that was going on.
		So when I saw you as my breaking point, go, hey, Alex Jones is full of crap.
		George Soros was a victim of the Nazis and the Holocaust.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's not what I said.
		I didn't say you were full of crap.
		I said he wasn't a Nazi.
		I go, the story that I watched the interview.
		And I don't know what he did.
		I don't know the guy.
		I don't know him.
		I know very little about him.
		But what I remember from the story was that he was saying that when the Nazis occupied, he was with his, I believe it was his uncle, his godfather and took him around as a Christian and pretended he was a Christian while they were stealing from these Jews when they would take their.
		And he just thought it was normal because he was 13 years old, but he was talking about it that he was shielded by this person.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		No, I would be willing to take his explanation.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		What, what?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, then it's over.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I would be willing to take his explanation.
		We did it well, I mean to be fair.
		He does go on to say that he doesn't take that explanation, but he's having to pretend that he's more reasonable and more rational because he's talking with Joe and Joe's like.
		I watched that interview.
		You can't pull the like sleight of hand tricks that you normally do.
		I know what you're talking about yeah, and you're what.
		Your version of it isn't true.
		So Alex has to start with that qualification.
		I would believe that I would believe that interpretation.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And then he says this, and actually it's worse for Alex after he explains why he doesn't take that interpretation if somebody put a gun to my head and said, we're gonna kill you if you don't help round up Joe Rogan's kids and put them in a concentration camp.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I'd say oh yeah, I agree with you, and I grabbed the gun away and kill him.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Did he say?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He just said that it was just taking property.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		No, they were.
		What do you think?
		Was he the Nazi?
		Show them, take your property and then you don't go away.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yes, this is bullshit.
		It was after people had already been taken away.
		Yeah, the godfather was part of cleanup crews that would go around to the houses of people who had been taken to camps.
		It's not Alex is presenting it as they showed up and stole stuff and then, bada bang, the Nazis came.
		Yeah, as if they were the precursor, as opposed to being there to catalog the property that Nazis were going to then confiscate.
		Yeah, this is bullshit.
		If Alex knew anything, he would know that he's trying to present it as they were the I don't know the silver surfer that came around as the herald of the Nazis.
		Very nice, thank you.
		Rare comic book reference coming from me, so it gets worse.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I mean, we know what happened in Romania and Hungary but Joe, here's what he was saying.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		They have headlines saying, okay, Joe Rogan.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So you're saying you think that it was more?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		No no, he did an NPR interview.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I'm not trying to go indict George Soros, okay.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, here's where I fucked up, because I shouldn't have even said anything about it, because I don't know much about it.
		The real act, it's open to interpretation.
		I've seen, I've seen, a couple of interviews.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		It's open to interpretation.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, it's fucking not.
		It's open to interpretation.
		You have just invalidated your entire argument.
		Yep, if you are just saying that this is how I look at it, then you are.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You can't make the claims that you do, especially when you presented it as fact.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		A million times.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He presents it so definitively.
		This guy rounded up his fellow Jews in the Holocaust.
		This guy's a Nazi collaborator.
		It's not from his words I get the sense that he was a Nazi collaborator.
		Right, I am inclined to be suspicious and believe that he is a Nazi collaborator.
		He's reporting it.
		The fact that he's on Rogan's show and Rogan gives the smallest amount of pushback on this and be like.
		That's not what I said.
		And also that interview doesn't say what you're saying.
		It does.
		It's a matter of interpretation, because he knows that if he pushes harder, or like if Joe pushes harder.
		Or if Alex says no absolutely, he rounded up Jews.
		Joe will then say, how do you know that?
		And Alex will have no answer.
		Well, that's why.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's why Alex brought up the NPR interview, because Joe hadn't watched that one.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Does that say anything more?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, it was that.
		It was that kind of, that was such a slick move on Alex's part of just like, no, okay, fine.
		You watch the interview that I lie about all the time.
		Well, guess what?
		There's another interview that does contain all the information that I need.
		And I don't even know what to do.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Now, granted, I always reference the 60 Minutes interview when I want to make this point.
		But because I'm challenged, now I pull up another one.
		It's moving the goalposts entirely when you realize that your fucking argument doesn't stand.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Every time.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Every fucking time.
		And because he's able to do these things, and because Joe hasn't seen that NPR interview, and because Joe doesn't have the fucking time to do the stuff that I do in terms of looking into this stuff, he ends up having to stipulate Alex's conjecture or whatever.
		He has to at least allow it to be like, well, I don't know.
		I can't say I don't know.
		And then Alex, he has to cede the point to him to some extent.
		And Alex saying it's open to interpretation.
		I can't stress this enough.
		That is a damning thing for Alex to say because he would never say that on his own show.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, fuck no.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		If he's sitting there alone screaming about Soros, he's never going to be like, it's open to interpretation.
		That's pathetic.
		So anyway, they talk more about Soros, and Alex makes a claim about him that he's never made before and is cockamame bullshit.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He's actually a dog.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		George Soros ran the breakup of the Soviet Union.
		George Soros.
		I've had the former head of Soviet Union.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What do you got, Jamie?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Kind of thing.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Type name: George Soros tried to crash the pound.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		The pound.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		The pound.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So the pound stuff is fine.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We'll talk about that a little bit.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's actually now 14 ounces.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's a stone.
		Yeah.
		We'll talk about that in the next clip.
		But Alex talks about him overthrowing governments all the time, which is just him trying to help democratizing forces in former Soviet bloc countries.
		We've discussed that in detail.
		It's all bullshit.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Ad nauseum.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But he's never, I've never, I'm not going to say he's never said it because I don't know, but I've never heard him say that George Soros ran the breakup of the Soviet Union.
		And I'm here to say that if he did, he should be Alex's hero.
		Alex hates the fucking Soviet Union.
		They are the big bad guys of the anti-communist propagandists that he hero worships.
		The idea that Soros quarterback to the breakup of the Soviet Union in Alex's world should be seen as a heroic act.
		It's crazy.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What a fucking idiot.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It is crazy.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		How?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's a great question.
unidentified		How?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What did he do?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That is not something Alex explains.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Who is he in charge of?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Did he get a government commission?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He wrote that Reagan speech about tearing down the wall.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Like, what are you fucking talking about?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's nonsense.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's ridiculous.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So, like I said, we're going to get to this question about breaking the pound.
		I think we've talked about it a little bit before, but there's a little bit of clarification that might be useful.
		And this is really funny because this is one of the only instances, I think it might be the only instance, where Jamie looks something up that Alex is talking about.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And actually finds something.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, they find an explanation of it, and then Rogan reads it on air, and Alex tries to interrupt him while he's doing it to get it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		To derail it, like he does with Obama speeches, where he's like, okay, hold on.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You need to start that over again.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And then Rogan tries to push back against that and be like, let me read this.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Can I finish?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Can I fanish?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You'll see what Alex is.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Let me finish.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You'll see what Alex's strategy is.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's not good.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		George Soros is highest level deep state.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		He is the manager or was the manager.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Are you shooting all these things you're saying?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I actually know.
		But how do you know if he did deep research?
		He ran the.
		He ran the marshal we got here.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Did George Soros break the Bank of England?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Make it a little bigger, please.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Now we must break the Bank of the United States.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		In Britain, Black Wednesday, September 16, 1992, the day the speculators broke the pound.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They didn't actually break it, but they forced the British government to pull it from the European exchange rate mechanism, joining the ERM.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Which was part of breaking the Euro, breaking the pound, launched the Euro.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Scroll it up, please.
		Although it stood apart from the European currencies, the British pound, blah, blah, blah, compounding the underlying problems inherent in the pound's inclusion in the ERM.
		I'm not seeing this.
		Where's the part where George Soros does this?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's just what you pulled up.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But I'm just trying to find out.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		There's an NTR interview.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Spotting the writing on the wall.
		Britain upped its interest rates to teens and attract people to the pound, but speculators, George Soros among them, began heavily shorting the currency.
		The British government gave in and withdrew the ERM as it became clear that it was losing billions trying to buoy its currency artificially.
		Although it was a bitter pill to swallow, the pound came back stronger because the excess interest and high inflation force out of the British.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Notice you go to investorpedia, like it's the boss.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Hold on.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		There's films about the Soros issue.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Soros pocketed $1 billion on the deal and cemented his reputation as the premier currency speculator in the world.
		Now, if you're a currency speculator, isn't that what you do, though?
		I don't know what a currency speculator does.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Listen, I don't want to get into it.
		Here's the deal.
		George Soros works for the people that run our government.
		And he's a guy willing to do it all, and he's been very successful.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So he just moves on to something else after this explanation that Joe does poorly, but he hits the points that are important.
		Soros didn't crash the pound at all.
		He profited off it because he was shorting the pound.
		And the reason he was shorting the pound is because of that European exchange rate mechanism.
		The ERM, when the pound got into it, they were resistant to get into it to begin with.
		But when they did, they made a huge mistake in terms of tying it to the German mark.
		The amount that they- Deutschmark?
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Gotcha.
		The exchange rate that they nailed it to was something that was unsustainable.
		And it had to stay within a certain range above or below that exchange rate.
		And because of the inflation rates and the interest rates in the United Kingdom at the time, it was just impossible for them to keep that up.
		Soros and other investors, he wasn't the only one.
		He was just the one that made the biggest bet on it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Were able to recognize the signs on the wall.
		The writing was all over the place for anyone to see that they were about to have to default on this shit.
		And that was going to cause the pound to go down seriously.
		And if you were able to see what was coming and you bet on it, you would make a lot of money.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Soros looked at their plan and was like, that's a bad idea, and then bet a shit ton of money that it was a bad idea.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, he had some concerns about it, but what made him end up making the big bet that ended up winning him a billion dollars in all of this.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Which should be a crime in and of itself.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm not thrilled with it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I agree with you on that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You should not be able to make a billion dollars off speculation.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		We should really regulate speculation so hard.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But it's like even that article said the pound did come back much stronger because of the crash.
		It was terrible in the immediate, but it was better in the long run to some extent.
		But the issue is that Soros was acting on a report that he had heard from the head of the German central bank.
		He had given an interview, and he was talking about how some, even if some currencies would have to be devalued, essentially, because of what was going on.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And the mark was the prevailing standard of the currencies.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the German economy was the stronger at that point.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So it was the standard-bearer.
		And so the idea that the president of the German central bank was coming out and saying those things, Soros was like, if we're going to move, we've got to move today.
		And if we're going to bet a million, let's bet so much more.
		Why not?
		We see the signs here.
		So he and his boys made a massive bet that paid off huge.
		That's what it is.
		He didn't break the bank.
		The bank did it to themselves and he profited off of it.
		He had nothing to do with getting into the ERM.
		He had nothing to do with the rate that they ended up nailing the pound to as it relates to the mark.
		There is nothing that he is responsible for in this other than when he had a crass capitalist speculation.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's the big short all over again.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		So that's important because Alex doesn't understand any of that shit.
		And I don't even think I did a perfect job of explaining it.
		There's a lot more little details in there.
		But he's just blaming Soros for things that, you know, who cares?
		It's nonsense.
		He has nothing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, yeah, you can explain it in a more detailed and complicated way, but it does seem like the basic story is the British government did a bad thing.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Unwise thing.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't know if it's ethically bad thing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Morally bad has that, I mean, like, stupid.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		It doesn't seem like it was entirely stupid at the time.
		It was maybe foolish and short-sighted.
unidentified		Yes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But it was in response to financial troubles that the pound was in when they decided to join the ERM.
		It wasn't a decision that was taken lightly.
		They had resisted getting involved for a long time.
		Right.
		And then needed a force that would stabilize their economy.
		And being in the ERM, the exchange mechanism, was something that would help stabilize the economy.
		So they chose to do that and were foolish in terms of the rate.
		They should have done a different rate.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Soros was like, got it.
		Bet all the money and then made a billion dollars.
		Kind of seems pretty, like, in retrospect, it seems super simple.
		I imagine that during that time, Soros was absolutely on the vanguard, and so many other people were like, this is a great idea, and we're going to get a lot of money.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But he also was probably terrified when he did it, because if it doesn't pay off, he's fucked.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Because the way these sorts of speculatory bets go, you're borrowing a ton of money to make the bet.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You know, and if you're wrong and the pound goes up, you have just now borrowed a ton of money and lost everything, and you have to pay that money back.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but it does seem like, relatively speaking, it probably wasn't that scary because it's one of those things where even if the pound does go up, it is definitely not going to go up by as much as the pound eventually went down.
		Do you know what I'm saying?
		Sure.
		So he was going to lose $20 million at the risk of making a billion dollars.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's what's discussed in terms of a lot of these speculatory things.
		But the game you're playing is so, there's so many variables involved that if something, if in some wild world, the British economy or the British, the exchange rates, the inflation, all of that was able to come, they were able to make it work in just the right way as to make them stay within the ERM.
		Yeah.
		And it went up, he would have stood to lose so much more.
		Like if it went bad, the odds of it going bad are not very high.
		But if it went bad, he would have been fucked.
		He wouldn't be George Soros to be able to do it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		Right, right, right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And that possibility did exist.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		We would be right back with the Vanderbilts as our main globalists.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This goes to his theory of reflexivity, though, too.
		The idea that you have to be flexible within markets.
		We have to see what's going on and act accordingly.
		This giant bet that he made was an act of his reflexivity principles in practice because the idea was we could bet like $10 million on this or whatever.
		And that's one way to do it.
		But reflexivity would tell you this is an opportunity where you can make a billion.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So why not do that?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, this is an Ocean's 11.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You're going to lose to the house, but if you make a big bet, the window is only open at certain times because the window is open now.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So whatever.
		I do believe that there is ethical conversations you could have about that, but they're not what Alex is having.
		He has nothing.
		He has no fucking idea what he's talking about.
		He just wants to demonize this guy because he stands for and supports liberal democratizing forces in countries that he wishes were still part of the Soviet Union, I guess, or in America.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Whatever.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So I guess.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Whatever plan it is that you think he has, it's a bad idea.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I told you there's a rogue variable.
unidentified		Yes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And you have correctly guessed what it is.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Eddie Bravo.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Eddie Bravo.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Eddie Bravo shows up.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Why?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Because I think.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Where was he in the beginning?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, here's the deal.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		From what I was able to gather, Eddie Bravo was scheduled to do an episode after Alex's episode.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And he showed up early.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think Alex wanted him there because he needs somebody dumber than him or more gullible than him.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right, right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		To be like, he needs to have an elevated status over somebody, and he can't have that with Joe.
		And also, Joe realized this isn't going all that well.
		If I get Eddie in here, we'll at least have a third wheel.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it'll be wise.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It solves everyone's problems.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And so they text him and tell him to come early.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, man.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And so Eddie shows up, and I think this might be a part of why the episode ended up being five hours long, because they just decided to keep going.
		But here is Eddie's introduction to the episode.
		Alex Gets Fucking Weird.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God, Eddie Bravo's here.
unidentified		Oh, shit.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Jesus Christ.
unidentified		You guys haven't choked each other out yet?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		No, we're having a great time.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		We're having a great time talking about interdimensional beings.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		NASA, bro.
unidentified		I'll choke you out with this shirt.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		NASA.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Eddie, you know?
unidentified		I'm going to make you regret wearing this fuck.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Eddie Bravo comes in hot.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Alex is wearing a NASA shirt, and a part of it was to troll Eddie because he doesn't believe space is real.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So he's a flat earth guy.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You know what?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's complicated.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Actually, I'm fine with it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's complicated.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Whatever Eddie Bravo wants.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So I think he was trying to fuck with Eddie by wearing the shirt.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And so Eddie comes in to choke you out that shirt, you son of a bitch.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Good work, Eddie.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Just a fucking shirt.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Listen, in high school, we used to choke each other out.
		That's like a theme.
		Go ahead and choke me off.
		Honor.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No, Please don't.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That would be hilarious.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Please don't.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I'm not scared.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Let's do it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
		Eddie, don't do it.
		Please don't choke him unconscious.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		No, no.
unidentified		Please don't.
unidentified		Let's go.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Do it.
		I can't do it.
		Do it.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		You know, you think I'm afraid of this?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Let's do it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, no, I do.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I definitely don't think you're afraid of this, which is why I don't want him to do it.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		You know what?
		Don't stop me, pussy.
		Choke me off.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So this goes on for a while.
		Alex is begging Eddie to choke him, and it comes up again.
		Like, it's just, this is a sad display of a drunk asshole.
		So Eddie shows up, and he tells a story about being, like, I guess maybe he worked at this strip club or he was at the strope club.
		I'm not entirely sure.
		It's irrelevant.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It was a flat strip club, though.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This guy, the guy who ran the place was like, if this little lady can choke me out, then I'll give her the keys to my car.
		And this young, like, a small woman who Eddie had taught how to do a chokehold got up on a bar stool and choked the guy out.
		And he passed out, hit his head on the ground, and as soon as he hit the ground, he woke back up and he was furious.
		And Eddie's like, you got to give her those keys.
		That sort of thing.
		It's a fine story.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he could have died.
		It sounds like that was a very concussion.
		That was a very, I could have died moment right there.
		Oh, toxic masculinity.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But at the same time, in the realm of Joe Rogan's show, it's a fine story told well.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The spheres are, the standards are so much lower.
unidentified		Fair.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So, whatever.
		Eddie tells this story.
		They all have a good laugh.
		And then Alex tells this story, which I think he's trying to build on and be like, Aren't I fun too?
		And it is deeply disturbing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I don't think I've ever been choked completely out.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		The first time I got choked out was like this 17-year-old, super hot chick.
		And I was like 13, tied up.
		And she lived down the street.
		No, She goes, I got promiscuous when I was pretty young, like 12.
		And she goes, I'll have sex with you.
		It's a true story.
		I'll have sex with you if you let me put makeup on you.
		So I'm not into gay stuff.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Show them out.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I'm putting some makeup on and have sex with her.
		And she's super hot.
		And then a week later, she goes, Now I'm going to choke you out.
		And that relationship went really well until a 30-year-old boyfriend caught me at her place once because her mom was always working.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		She tried to kill me in the parking lot.
unidentified		Oh, my God.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, oh, my God.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So that's the guy he probably technically killed.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, no.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There's more stories coming.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Dude, that is a profoundly fucked up.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's deeply disturbing.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And I think some of his anger at the LGBT community and trans people in particular probably may have some part in this abuse that he suffered from the 17-year-old, other 17-year-old girl who he was sexually active with, who forced him into cross-dressing at a young age as a requirement to have sex with her, if this story is true at all.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But if it isn't, why is he bringing it?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like, why?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		This sounds true.
		And you know what?
		There is no problem with that among two consensual adults.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Adults.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, you should not be forcing a 12-year-old to put makeup on.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Experimenting with makeup or any of that stuff is no big deal.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Boyfriend is 30 years old.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's another piece of this.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What is this lady?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's another piece of this.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		She is also a victim.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		This lady is 17-year-old, fucking a 12-year-old and a 30-year-old simultaneously.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		She's got range.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		This is a difficult situation.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		No, but I mean, what you're describing here, not you, but what Alex is describing here, if you really take all the packaging off it and all the sensational I got fucked and then choked out kind of stuff out of it, you're describing Alex Jones as a 12, 13-year-old child being in a super chaotic environment.
		Like to the point where just existing in that space, like I said about the last story he told, just existing in a space where you're hanging out with a 17-year-old girl who is being abused by a 30-year-old boyfriend in the context of a quote-unquote relationship.
		That is enough to really have a lasting imprint in you.
		That's terrifying to a child.
		That lack of control and lack of stability, that lack of any kind of real what you need in your formative years to integrate, to come to a healthy adulthood, is absent there.
		He's saying that this is a girl whose parents were never home, so she was fucking a 30-year-old.
		And then she acted out on me as well.
		Like, there's no parental supervision around.
		There's profound abuse happening.
		It's just like, you take everything out of it, and you're like, what you're left with is like, this should be a story for therapy, not laughs on Roman show.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's so much a combination of a lot of fucked up things.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Like, the worst part is the way that this story is being told as if putting makeup on is, first off, gay shit.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Which go fuck yourself.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And then, second, this story is being told like, like, how it's a hero story.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Like, how whenever a adult male teacher has sex with one of his students, everybody's like, this is fucked up.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		But whenever an adult female teacher has sex with one of her students, we're like, oh, she's bad.
		But everybody's like, given that, like, the joke is they're giving that dude high fives.
		And you're like, no, It doesn't.
		This is fucked up.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's true.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's fucking people's brains.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And to some extent, I'll say that Alex has the right to tell the story however he wants because it's his experience.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You know what I'm saying?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't think that, you know, we need to.
		I don't know.
		It's such a weird line.
		Like, because what he's doing is normalizing all of these sorts of things by laughing about it and being like, isn't it awesome?
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Which is bad.
		But at the same time, if that, like, I don't believe this is the case.
		But if in the context of his lifelong therapy, he's come to peace with these experiences that he has.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No chance.
unidentified		No.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But he's if that were the case and he's able to laugh about it and be like, isn't this crazy?
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like that sort of thing.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't think that's bad.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But that's not what he's doing.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That is not what he's doing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And it's irresponsible of Rogan and Bravo to both be like, ha ha ha, this is funny.
		Like there's no way that anybody could tell me that story and I wouldn't be like, that's, you need to deal you over.
		You need to deal with that in a much better way than telling me this story like it's a joke.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Because that's fucked up.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's a mess.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		These people are irresponsible friends or accomplices.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Enablers.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Enablers for sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So in this next clip, this is probably my favorite thing that happened on the show.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And I say that in the same way that when you buy an album when you're a kid and your favorite song on it is the single.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's just not a good album.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So you just like the single rest of it's just before iTunes allowed you to buy just one song.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
		You would be screwed over.
		You're like, why did I buy Semi-Sonic's album?
		I just like closing time.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Why did anybody buy Semi-Sonic album?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's that or Verve pipe.
		Yeah, I like the freshman.
		Whatever.
		It's that sort of thing.
		You get the album, you're like, fuck this.
		That's kind of how I feel about this.
		This is the single.
		And I think this is one of the clips that's probably going to be gift and sent around and go big.
		And what it is, is Eddie Bravo trolling Alex really hard.
		And it's hilarious on some level.
		Because Eddie had been listening to the show on his way to the studio.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So he knows what Alex has been talking about.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And he uses that against Alex because he's drunk.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And Alex freaks out.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Let me take some right now.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Let me take some right now.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I came here and I proved they're keeping babies alive and taking their organs.
unidentified		How did you prove that?
unidentified		Jamie pulled some shit up on Google and they admitted that.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		They're normalizing it.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		No, the fucking, the governor.
unidentified		Listen to me.
		You really think, do you really think there's people out there campaigning for late-term abortions?
		You think that shit's real?
		You think the shit wrote it Monday to keep it legal?
		Who would do that?
		Who would do that?
		Who would campaign for that?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		They fucking did it.
		So to give a little bit of context, the reason that Eddie is trolling him like this is because Alex does that about Eddie's flat earth beliefs.
		So he's mirroring all of Alex's complaints about where did you learn that?
unidentified		Oh, it's just a fucking YouTube video, all this stuff.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Who actually believes there's a flat or like all that stuff?
		So he's turning that around on Alex just to fuck with him.
		And Alex is losing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's pretty great.
unidentified		You can't fucking admit they're fucking killing Arnie Born kids.
		So you're telling me it isn't real when I had a fucking vote in the goddamn fucking Senate.
		That's a conspiracy theory.
		That's a conspiracy theory.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You think you're fucking tough.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		You're about to get it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Bullshit!
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		They're killing Arnie Born babies.
		Stop fucking lying.
		God fucking damn.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to kill him.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Don't you piss.
unidentified		No, I mean, you saw the, dude, it's going to be a bit more.
		Alex, Alex, Alex, Alex, Alex, I was fucking with you.
		The fucking Senate voted to kill babies and their fucking barns.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I was just playing with you.
unidentified		Of course I believe that, Alex.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Let me explain.
unidentified		Of course, I believe it's all over the news.
unidentified		I was just playing with you.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Eddie, let me explain to you.
		Let me explain to you.
		We went into a long conversation.
		I heard it.
		We played.
unidentified		I heard it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Okay, you heard it.
unidentified		I heard the whole podcast.
unidentified		I'm playing with it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		First off, if you allow yourself to get fucked with by Eddie Bravo, that's shame on you.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Shame on you.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's not even fooling.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You want shame on you.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Period.
		Fuck, you lose.
		You lose for good.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I mean, it's delightful on some levels.
		In much the same way that when I, like I told you, I was at that AAW event and the wrestler, Eddie Kingston, punched out the guy in the crowd.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like, I don't know if that was, I didn't know if that was real or fake for quite a bit.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I still, like, same way, listening to this, I don't know if Alex's anger at this is performative.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		If you watch it, you see his face.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He does look not like he's playing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And he's standing up and sort of pacing a little bit.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But all of his outbursts of emotion always have a tinge of like, this doesn't seem real.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's not human.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He's a psychopath.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		But at the same time, I don't really care.
		That response to Eddie clearly fucking with him.
		And it takes a long time to talk Alex down.
		You heard that there.
		Like a minute.
unidentified		Alex.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There was at least 30 seconds ago.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I was fucking with you.
		Alex, I was fucking with you.
		I really, I think the most damning thing.
		Look, it's bad that Alex got fucked with by Eddie Bravo.
		That's pretty sad.
		The worst part, though, is Eddie Bravo going, of course I believe that.
unidentified		Like, Eddie, you didn't even have to do that part.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You could have just said you were fucking with him.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		But then you say, of course, I believe that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But he does.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Of course, he believes it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He believes in flat earth.
		Yeah.
		So Alex screams more about this, about how the governor of Virginia is.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That should be Eddie Bravo's t-shirt.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Just, of course, I believe you.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Of course, I believe.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Of course, I believe you.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So he screams more about the governor of Virginia being an organ harvesting doctor.
		And that's just a reference to him having a history in pediatrics.
		But this is where he explains what happened and how he was under blackmail.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		They're giving a bunch of goddamn fucking organ harvesting doctors control outside of law.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		You heard that piece of shit, fucking KKK guy, fucking governor, say we're going to keep them alive after they're fucking born because they want to fucking take their organs.
unidentified		It's incredible.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He's a KKK guy?
unidentified		It's incredible.
		It's so incredible that.
		He's in a picture with a guy in a KKK outfit in Blackface.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		They elected him because he's blackmailed.
		They had that shit.
		And when he messed up and said we keep them alive to get their fucking organs, they used that to deactivate him.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's a good conspiracy.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Why do you think fraternities have you screwed sheep and all this and give guys blowjobs?
		That's why I never joined him.
		Because they want to go back.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Go back, what?
unidentified		Say that again?
		Fraternities.
		I'm so happy we decided to do this podcast.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You shouldn't be.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You can already tell just Eddie being introduced to the proceedings.
		He has created a completely different environment, even if, like, sure, him fucking with Alex caused this emotional outburst and what have you.
		But throughout the rest of this, it becomes much more palatable to that.
		Jovial extent.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like everyone has a position that they can work within, and it's because Eddie Bravo is there.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The stakes are gone.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like, you don't have to talk about the seriousness of what Alex did in Sandy Hook or any of that shit because Eddie Bravo's there and he believes that the earth is flat.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and you fucking can't because Eddie Bravo is probably going to be like, yeah, I don't think Sandy Hook happened either.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And you're like, nah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Shut it down.
		Shut it down.
		Shut it down, Eddie.
		Eddie, Eddie.
		Also, I would say that Alex, another reason, besides the fact that you're forced to fuck sheep and give guys blowjobs, another reason you didn't join a fraternity is you went to a junior college and then dropped out.
		So I would say that you probably didn't have an opportunity to join a fraternity.
		But that's just my...
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Splitting hairs.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's just my take on it.
		Slitten hairs.
		So Eddie is there.
		Alex wants to impress him and Joe, too.
		So they start talking about Nazis.
unidentified		Of course.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		At some point, Alex talks about, he has this really long thing that he goes on about how he used to have a bunch of boxes in his garage and he didn't even know what was in them.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And then one of his family members.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He was actually dead Nazis.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		One of his family members was going through it and they found a Nazi medal he bought at a garage sale or something like that.
		And they're like, oh my God, you're a Nazi.
		And then now everybody thinks I'm a Nazi.
		I'm like, that's a family issue.
		If your family member found a Nazi medal and you're not able to have that conversation in a decent way, that's on you.
		That's on you and your family.
		I don't think that you having a Nazi medal makes you a Nazi.
		I understand people who have historical interest in that sort of thing.
		Sure.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Alexandra Bullock.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I understand the possibility of that.
		If someone is super into World War II, the idea of having these things, they're antiques.
		They're relics.
		It's not.
		Owning those things, as long as you own American things also, or the Allied powers, I guess.
		As long as you have a spectrum of these antiques and not just Nazi stuff, then I think that that's very normal.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I think what he's describing is more like how he has no idea what humor is.
		true like there's no way that because if you because if you did find that nazi medal you wouldn't think that he was a nazi what you would think His family member might.
		Well, yeah, his family members might.
		Probably because he's other things.
		Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
		But that would still be like a running joke.
		That would definitely be something that you start throwing in there where you're like, oh, yeah, ha, ha, ha, you're a Nazi because of that medal.
		Remember that?
		You know, like, that's just.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yep, that's a possibility.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You would totally do that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yep, he might be interpreting how people respond, misinterpreting how.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Because he doesn't have a sense of humor.
unidentified		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So they have that whole conversation, and it's whatever.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But now with Eddie in the proceedings, he decides he's going to tell some deep dirt on the Nazis.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		By the way, I said they weren't.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		There's no secrets of Hitler.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Your secrets?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What are they?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		But this is not the BS.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		This is the real thing.
unidentified		How do you know?
unidentified		Who's telling you this stuff?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Beyond classified Eddie.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Beyond classified Eddie.
unidentified		No, I mean, Alex, seriously, do you ever think you have a lot of stuff?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		So my grandfather was German in Dallas.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And he worked for the inventor of indoor air conditioning, who was a billionaire.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		What about outdoor air conditioning?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		What's the rich area of Dallas where the Republicans all live?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		God, what's the name of that place?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Arlington.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		No, it's not Arlington.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		It's the thing right there in the middle of Dallas.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No, that's awesome.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		That's awesome.
		You think Dallas is like all buildings.
		There's a huge park and like all these big mansions.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Dallas is all building.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Anyways, he lived up there.
		It wasn't just from him.
		You know, I'm not going to get into it.
		The point is, is that Hitler was on the cover of Time magazine and he was who cares?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The Time magazine stuff, they've been very clear about their man of the year doesn't reflect that we're doing it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's important to them.
		Yeah, it's not good.
		It's like, this is the guy who's dominated this fucking year, unfortunately.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		So the idea that Hitler was on the cover of Time does not mean that they were like, he's so awesome.
		There is a conversation to be had about how the Buns and stuff like that, there were tons of American Nazis and a lot of business interests were in favor of some of him.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So sure, there's that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, you can definitely go back and read a lot of pro-Killing All the Jews shit.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Him coming up with Time magazine is a really shitty version of this.
		That's what he comes up with because he doesn't want to talk about his grandfather.
		He wants to introduce the idea that his grandfather gave him secret information because he was a German living in Dallas.
		Great.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He also killed Kennedy, too.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But then he's like, I can't, you know, I can't, I don't remember what my story is with this.
unidentified		Nope.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't want to get into it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Eddie, Eddie.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't want to get into it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Eddie, you derailed me.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Eddie, you fucked me on this one.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I was going to tell some straight-up amazing stories about a German grandfather, but Alex regroups and he gets back to his grandfather.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And I don't know if this is what he intended to say, but this is where the story goes, and it's fucked up.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		My grandfather said it was really confusing for him because he worked for this guy that was in refrigeration and air conditioning when he was in high school and his dad owned the car dealerships in Dallas and stuff.
		They live there.
		The Richeria Dallas.
		And what did they tell you?
		Well, through one reason he wanted by the time World War II started to drop out of UT and, you know, all that and go join the Army Air Corps.
		So he used to tell me all this about my mom and go, your grandfather is a little eccentric.
		Now, like, he might have to do Werner von Braun, but he came to Hans.
unidentified		What?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
unidentified		What?
unidentified		So, anyways, you grew up on Werner von Braun?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, he went to some of those events and yeah, he came to UT events a little probably.
unidentified		Okay, that's incredible.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		The point is, I'm getting to, well, because they were like German.
unidentified		No wonder you believe in the moon landing.
unidentified		I get it now.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And he's still fucking with him.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Eddie is fucking bringing fire.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		If there's a hero, it's Eddie Bravo, once again.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I just consistently.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Even the way he said Werner Braun, he's like, you knew Werner Braun Braun.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And like, that's good timing on Eddie's part.
		Like, that's actually being funny.
		Yeah.
		Like, now I get why you believe in space.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Jesus.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So Alex's grandfather apparently knew.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Eddie is the hero.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He knew Werner von Braun.
		That's great.
		I guess.
		I don't know if that's true or not.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But if we allow it to be the truth, it makes this next clip deeply fucked up.
		This is a clip that, like, I don't care how many Nazi medals you have.
		I'll let that slide.
		You say something like this.
		I got questions.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Finish your story.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		My family was what they called high German.
		And so the high, yeah, that's what that is.
		Uber mention.
		So they only would talk to people that were in the club.
unidentified		Oh, shit.
unidentified		Okay.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		So, so, anyways, my grandfather, the family's like an Uber mention.
		And so, you'll hiked the whole line of arts.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So, dude, if you want to be clear about this, Alex is up here on Rogan's show straight up saying that his family was recognized as part of the master race by a former Nazi.
		I don't think I need to take any more time out of anyone's day to explain why that's fucked up.
		Because Übermensch is like, that's a Nietzsche invention.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But he was super against the Nazis and against anti-Semitism.
		After he had passed, I believe it was after he passed.
		I'm not entirely sure about the timeline, but his sister was involved in co-opting the term because she was Nazi sympathizer.
		And so the idea of Uber mentioned was like, that's a pretty strictly Nazi idea that refers to the Aryan master race.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Which you are reinforcing your belief in whilst telling this story.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And that your family is a part of.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		As recognized by high-ranking Nazi Wernher von Braun.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they were called high Germans, which is like, oh, do you mean they were Nazis?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Because it sounds like you mean Nazi.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It does really sound like Nazi.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It seems like your grandfather was a Nazi.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It sounds like his grandfather was a fucking Nazi.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Your grandfather was a Nazi, Alex.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Alex.
unidentified		Alex.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Alex?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Grandfather was a Nazi.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Were those medals that you had in those boxes your grandfather's war medallions?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Sure seems like it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't fucking know, but you don't, if you are somebody who's like, I fucking hate Nazis, they're terrible, all that stuff.
		You don't then get drunk on a fucking Rogan episode and be like, my grandfather knew Werner von Braun.
		My family is Uber mentioned.
		They're high Germans, and so we're in the club.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		You don't want the fuck.
		They only talk to other people in the club.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The master race.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Who else was in that fucking club?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Nazis.
		Nazis.
		That's so damning.
		It's so damning.
		When I heard him say, our family is uber mentioned, I was like, oh, God.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Hey, you know who doesn't say that?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		The families of Nazis now.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Or families of not Nazis.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Those two.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Those two are the main people who don't.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I would say that it's a Venn diagram with a very small sliver.
		No, Venn diagram is the wrong way to look at it.
		It's a pie chart with the tiniest sliver that is just Alex Jones.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That says, hey, my family.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no, I guess neo-Nazis online who hide behind anonymity.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's true.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, their families were also Uber mentioned.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Or at least they'll say they were.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's fun.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's fun to be part of the master race, Dan.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I guess.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Because you really don't have to deal with reality.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		So he had high IQs.
		Sure.
		In this next clip, we get another glimpse.
		So earlier, Alex was talking about when he was seven or so and he heard his dad talking about making tooth cyborgs.
		And that's cool.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Which we now know is Nazi tooth cyborgs.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Apparently.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So we hear about his grandfather.
		But to be fair, we don't know if it's maternal or paternal grandfather.
		We're not entirely sure on that.
		He doesn't specify.
		Okay.
		And he doesn't say the last name, so I'm not sure.
		Like, I would assume his mom's father's last name would be Hammond because her name is Carol Hammond.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		His dad's father's last name would be Bowie.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, no, Jones, which is David Bowie's real name.
		I'm glad that my dad didn't die when David Bowie died.
		Weird.
		So he overhears his grandfather talking about some stuff when he was a child, and now he relates it to Eddie and Joe.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And my grandfather would go, so they'd see me down there like a week during the summer.
		You know, I was like, eight years old, I'm hearing this.
		And he's like, Von Braun has a plan for this orbital spacecraft and landed and grabbed artificial gravity systems.
		And I'm hearing all this stuff.
		He's got like markers at the table, like talking about it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And I'm sitting there listening.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And he was talking about, yeah, then I was a leasehound for Texas.
		And the only place you get a chicken fry of a steak out in New Mexico or West Texas was a military base and all these goddamn Nazis.
		And, you know, one time I didn't want to do it, but that guy smarted off about how they were better at shooting our planes down.
		So I went ahead and just rammed his head right through the wall.
		And I never knew what happened after that.
		But, son, you just got to kill Nazis.
		And those son of a bitches, our government brought in thousands of those assholes.
		And I'm like, listen to this.
		So I'm like, I'm going to read about Nazis.
		So at how about 10, I start buying books.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Heritage.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I was like, 12, I'm going to go.
		I'm going to reach for it.
		I want my comp.
		They go, are you a Nazi?
		Like, reading Hitler is my struggle.
		No, I'm not a Nazi.
		Both my grandfathers told me how bad Nazis were, and both almost died fighting Nazis.
		So I wanted to know about Nazis.
		There was this whole ethos.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So, I mean, you can just see how tangentially he's jumping around from topic to topic.
		Even if it's all kind of Nazi related, that story makes no sense.
		There isn't a real point to it.
		He doesn't really have any.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I think the point to the story is that he just revealed that his grandfather was a Nazi, and so now he has to rewrite that to make it sound like his grandfather wasn't a Nazi.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, he also talks about this HVAC guy that his grandfather worked for.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And apparently he was being extorted by the Nazis, like something like that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He tells a really long story that's very convoluted about like the grandfather hated the Nazis because this guy that he worked for had to send tons of money to the Nazis.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And because they were holding his family hostage or something along those lines.
		I'm not entirely sure.
		I didn't include that, although that is kind of like informing what conversation Alex is trying to have.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But because it doesn't make a lot of sense.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And if his point was that like the Nazis extorted people, I don't know if that's the secret of Hitler.
unidentified		I don't know if it's the secret of 2017, but that's for sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's how he presents the beginning of this conversation.
		I've got the deep, better-than-classified information about Hitler.
		It turns out that he blackmailed an HVIC guy, HVAC HVAC.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Not a bad strategy.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, I'm sure you want to make a little bit of the Nazis did extort a lot of people.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That certainly is well within their repertoire.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but you've got to get a little bit of that HVAC money, especially during a time period where indoor air conditioning was just booming, man.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That was the beginning.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		About outdoor air conditioning.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And that's wind.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You don't need to say indoor air conditioning.
unidentified		You can just say air conditioning.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's a useless qualification.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You could call it central air?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's a different thing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What about decentral air?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There's a window unit.
		There's a distinction there.
		But indoor, outdoor air conditioning is not a worthwhile distinction.
		This guy is crazy.
		So earlier, we heard Alex say that NASA was the real government.
		And you balked at that point.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		They were the shadow government.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Shadow equals real.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Ah, okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Just like Shadow the Hedgehog is the real Sonic.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We all know that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I really don't think we do.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		In this next clip.
		I think that Knuckles is the real.
		Anyway, in his next clip, Alex doubles down on that and then explains how that came to be.
		Because Rogan is kind of confused about the premise.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		So when I say, what is NASA?
		If we can take NASA back over, it's bigger than the CIA.
		It's the real government.
		The spaceships and the stuff, that's all PR.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		NASA is the real government?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		NASA, there were two breakaway governments, two shadow governments.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Brad talked about shadow government 20 years ago.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So we have three total governments.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And so you had one that was British-run, and the Germans came to our own U.S. elites and said, hey, you always need a couple plans.
		They said, we've got all this on the drawing board.
		The EU, a plan to poison the food and water to get rid of the dumb people, a plan of the government.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It wasn't at a conversation.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		We've got, by the way, we're taking hardcore drugs and we're in contact with aliens.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		How is it given this technology?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		It was the Germans first got in touch.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Well, how'd they do it?
unidentified		They were really a cult.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Thanks, Eddie.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Thanks, Eddie, for chiming in there, buddy.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So the reason I stopped you for a second, like saying there's three governments is that because we now bring in foreign governments.
		So there's like England's government to and then you've got Germany's government.
		So we now have the EU as well.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So we have at least two guys.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, the EU is a plan put together by the US.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		By the German breakaway secret program that may or may not be NASA.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right, but the Germans contacted aliens first.
		Which means they were the ones who came up with...
		And he just described...
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		They came up with everything evil.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He just described the globalist plan that he attributed to the billionaire conference.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right, but it's actually.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But those billionaires only had that conference and talked about it because they were aware and were getting information from these Germans or maybe not Germans who were in contact with aliens.
unidentified		Right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So I was right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It did take more than one conference.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I would assume so.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		To come up with that plan.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But I'm just saying that it does make sense.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I guess.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So the Germans are in touch with aliens, and they're getting this information from them.
		So the problem that I have is that what we have here is Alex is presenting a dichotomy of two breakaway governments.
		One is the British, and one is the German, and they're at war with each other to some extent.
		And there's NASA.
		No, but that's the German secret space program or whatever.
		He's presenting.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, when we brought Werner von Braun over, that's NASA.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What is NASA but American for Nazi?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But he's also presenting the British breakaway government as being involved in our government as well.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It seems like if the two were at war, it'd be incongruous for us to have both of them existing within the same body.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But he doesn't really sweat the small stuff.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Here is the other thing that I think everybody is missing.
		And I would say, even Alex.
		King George, immortal.
		And has been behind the scenes of the British government this entire time.
		I would say everything else is a fucking plot.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I would say human.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's distraction.
		It's sleight of hand.
		King George still alive.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Your theory is interesting.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But I would say.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Is it interesting?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I would say that the thing that Alex is missing, everyone is missing, and your theory is missing is citations.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I would say what it's missing is any underlying proof other than I heard a weirdo say this.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You haven't seen enough YouTube videos, Dan.
		That's not good.
		Citation YouTube.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That is not good.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I read it in Microsoft and Carta.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So another problem is that he's saying there's these two breakaway governments.
		One is the British, one is the Germans.
		The Germans influenced our NASA through the Operation Paperclip and all the Nazis coming over and what have you.
		But then we have this that also makes it difficult for me to integrate all of these ideas into my mind.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		We merged with the British Empire in like 1930.
		COVID.
		Okay, that's what the CFR is, is British intelligence and U.S. intelligence.
		So the U.S. runs the show.
		Okay.
		So you've got, you've got, but German intelligence came to Eisenhower and said, listen, you don't need to do all this.
		We haven't given them the real technology.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		We're in contact with aliens.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		The whole plan.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Where are you getting this from that you're stating it so confidently?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		It's in the literature, man.
		Hitler would go to the literature.
		Mainline historical books about mainstream.
		SS castles where they go, the aliens want blood, so they kill like 20 kids and everything.
		So the aliens would like, come in, build aliens.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They're taking the blood.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And he brings them in like sharks.
		And then they would give them technology.
		They go, this is how it works.
		You build the atomic weapons this way.
		You build it, and they would show them bombers.
		I'm like, the aliens are telepathic.
		I don't even believe this.
		This is what the Nazis believe.
		And the aliens would mind meld and give them the technology.
		They're bad aliens.
		So are you surprised the Nazis were influenced by demons?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No, if demons are real, I would definitely think they'd be on the side of the Nazis.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		No, what I'm telling you is no media is going to attack this.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Probably.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You want to know where I can read it.
		Where can I read that?
		Those statements.
		That they were in contact with the aliens.
unidentified		Well, obviously, your podcast is the Nazi Vril Society.
		V-R-I-L.
		If you let me put a group of chicks right up there with them, like doing it.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And I've come over three hours.
		If I can fly here with a report, I'll send it all to you with mainline books.
		I'll mail the books with tabs in them.
		Okay, and I'll mail documents.
unidentified		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Alex is saying basically, I'll prove this to you, but I need a rebooking in order to do it.
		I mean, he's dangling a carrot out in front of Joe.
		We'll do it.
		We'll do a follow-up one where I prove all of my conjecture about.
		But granted, I have no citations on me right now, but I will send you those books.
		We're going to do this again, and I'll send you the books ahead of time.
		It was going to be great.
		Those books are not going to say the things Alex says.
		This is never going to happen.
		Although he'll probably get a rebooking.
		Yeah.
		That piece will probably actually.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Why would you mail books?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		With little marks in them.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Little tabs.
unidentified		Sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Great.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And also, if you have those books, you got the little tabs, you should know what books they are.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You would think.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Especially when they are pieces of what you think is the big truth of the world, and that is that Nazis got all their technology from aliens and the aliens wanted blood and all that stuff.
		Where are you getting this from?
		If you can only say the literature, you don't know what you're talking about.
		You don't want to give that citation because you know that if you do, someone will look at it and be like, oh, this is a book written by a crazy dude.
		This is a nonsense book.
		This is a Project Camelot book.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm a big fan of the idea that Germans came to Eisenhower and were like, guess what?
		All our technology is from aliens.
		That is a good meeting.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's a part of the...
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's a good meeting.
		That's a good day.
		Eisenhower, very boring man, bit of a teetotaler.
		Has a meeting with some Germans.
		Finds out aliens are real.
		Of course.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's got to take a drink.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And he's got to take a drink.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Oh, there's no doubt.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's off the wagon.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, he's doing the opposite of the guy with the brown bag who's seeing all the pink elephants.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He's like, dude, brown bag me up.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Well, I mean, like, that is a part of the Project Camelot, like, alien narrative in some.
		I don't know how pervasive it is, but it's fairly common.
		Well, he's the idea that Eisenhower signed a treaty with aliens in order to allow them to kidnap people for scientific purposes in exchange for technology.
		Right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		But that's a futurama episode.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But it's also based on people actually believing that in these communities.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, for sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So what Alex is operating off of is sort of artful retelling of that, where he's incorporating the Nazis coming in and being a part of that deal.
		And maybe that's a part of people's paranormal arguments as well.
		I don't know.
		I'm not super well versed in the nuance.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I believe it's also Hellboy's origin story.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That fish guy.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That fish guy.
unidentified		I don't know.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I read Hellboy years ago.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I thought it was fine.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It was fine.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		So Alex gets into a bit of a jag here, trying to say that Hitler was set up, which we know he believes.
		Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
		The idea that, you know, all this misrepresentation of Carol Quigley's work, those sorts of arguments about these globalists, as it were, or the insiders, whichever terminology the writer chooses, they controlled all sides of the conflict and manipulated Hitler into doing what he did in order to blah-by-bloop.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Just like they manipulated Alex into saying that Sandy Hook was fake.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We're going to get to that.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Oh, boy.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But in this next clip, Alex is talking about his belief in all that Hitler setup stuff.
		And his biggest piece of evidence or his biggest argument is that bullshit story that we've talked about a bunch of times with Rudolf Hess, about him flying in with a signed peace treaty, parachuting into England.
		Also, by the way, bad news, it was Scotland.
		But, you know, all this nonsense about his flight.
		Alex talks about this, and then as I was listening to it, I realized some major problem we've never pointed out with Alex's theory.
		And I'll tell you it on the other side of this clip.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Rudolf Hess was the deputy Fuhrer, the guy Hitler totally loved.
		You never hear about him since 1941 because they had a peace treaty with Edward VIII, who was the king of England, who was a Nazi and who was German.
		British Francis German.
		And they had a deal to stage the attack.
		The French stood down.
		Vichy French didn't fight.
		They put Nazi occupiers in.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So here's the thing.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We've talked a lot about the problems with Alex's fake story about Rudolph Hess having a peace treaty that would have ended World War II, but he was set up, all that shit.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, first off, his name was Rudy Hess, and it's kind of rude to call him Rudolph.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's kind of rudy to call him that.
		I don't care to rehash that here, but I do want to point out this glaring hole.
		Alex says that Rudolph Huss had a treaty for peace that represented a deal between the Germans and Edward VIII.
		The problem with this is that Hess's flight for Scotland happened on May 10th, 1941.
		Now, why is that a problem?
		Well, because Edward VIII abdicated the throne on December 11th, 1936.
		World War II didn't even start until 1939, three years after he had stepped down as king.
		So he never would have actually been in a position to negotiate a peace.
		This narrative is complete trash and only works if you have no idea about the basic facts about when things happened, something that Alex seems to have no grasp on.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You know, you know in your heart you cannot step down as king.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Once a king, always a king, Dan.
unidentified		No.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Because he wanted to marry a divornia.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's like Narnia.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He wanted to marry a divorcee, and that was not done.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That was absolutely a scandal with the church.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So he abdicated the throne for that.
		A couple years later, World War II broke out.
		He was in no position to be in charge of the country because he wasn't the king.
		He wasn't even in England for most of that time.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He was abroad because he was kind of a scandalous figure in England.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and that whole narrative of like, he was actually German and all that stuff.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		The royal families of most of Europe have been fucking each other for forever.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We talked about it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, in World War I, half the countries fighting were related to each other.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Their royalty was related to each other.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, and if you go back to, because royalty has such a lineage basis, you go back to a time when countries' borders weren't what they are today.
		So you have like old kingdoms and stuff like that that existed that don't exist anymore.
		And so you have intermarriages of the kingdom of a part of Germany.
		Right.
		Modern Germany.
		That wasn't Germany then.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It was the Holy Roman Empire and all that shit.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		You have all that stuff that makes it incredibly complicated but easy to misrepresent.
		It's fertile ground for lying about stuff, but the reality doesn't match up.
		I just think it's fucking hilarious that Alex believes in 1941, Rudolph Hess would have had a peace treaty signed by Edward VIII that would mean anything.
		Like that would actually mean anything.
		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
		Because if it were a peace treaty that was signed between them, it would have to be a peace treaty that existed before World War II even started.
		It would have to be a five-year-old peace treaty that two years predated the outbreak of World War II, which makes no sense.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Furthermore, the king was not in control of the country.
		Right.
		Even if he was still the king.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Alex does talk some shit on Chamberlain.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He does talk some shit on Chamberlain.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Hey, that's fine.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But who cares?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Because this next clip is far more important.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Get that motherfucking vodka loose.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Fake vodka look forward.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's fake.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I need to hear about aliens.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to take a pull off that cigar, but I don't smoke marijuana.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You want to take a pull off that cigar, but I don't smoke marijuana.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's cigar.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That cigar.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That cigar.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's a blunt.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Nobody has ever turned a Swisher Sweet.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		My friend, that is a blunt.
		But also, I love this fake vodka.
		Just fucking own it.
		Just fucking own it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, if you're on his show and you're doing the whole like shittily swearing at things because you're really bad at it, you might as well say you're getting drunk, too.
		Yeah, why not?
		Nobody's going to give a fuck.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, the cutesy nonsense doesn't serve any real purpose.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I just think it's, I don't know.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And you're in L.A. probably without your family because you're going to fly back the next day or whatever.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I would say just what I look at it is just like, it's probably just bad humor.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The idea of like, this is fake vodka.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Ha ha ha.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's not even really pretending that it's fake vodka.
		No one would believe that.
		It's not saving face or anything.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Fake vodka is just water.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's just a dumb bit.
		That's all it is.
		I guess our criticism is this is a stupid fucking bit.
		Grow up.
		So, at this point, Joe wants to know, because Alex has presented this, when did the connection between aliens and Nazis start?
		Now, you might think...
		You might think.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It was Tuesday.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You might think that that's a question that Alex can answer, but you'd be wrong.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He just decides to start rambling about other things.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Tell me how the connection between aliens and the Nazis took place.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		When did all this start?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Let me begin.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		At the beginning.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		This is really, I'm telling you, Joe, this is a real deal.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I believe you.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		This is more than weird.
		It's people who are psychically, genetically available to interface in this incredibly diverse universe with all these dimensions above and below and all around us with consciousnesses.
		And the truth is no energy is ever destroyed.
		It all continues on.
		The truth is, our bodies, this is a fact, are a communal hive organism of all of our ancestors and all of their race memories, but not in just some compressed epigenetic system.
		It's beyond that.
		It's an electrochemical antenna.
		They've proven this that connects to higher and lower dimensions.
		So our bodysuit, because our predecessors wouldn't put us in a position without giving us a bodysuit that is them.
		Our families are loving us.
		They're holding us.
		They're wrapped all around us.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		They're strong at will.
unidentified		They're bad.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		They're good.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		They're sins.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Really, the things they did.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		The battles they won, the battles they lost, the woman they loved, the man they loved.
		It's all in us.
		All these people.
		It's why we're able to look into so many things and have so many different experiences.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Why does that give us more experiences?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The idea that ghosts live within us.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And they're holding you all the time.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		They're loving us.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't like ghosts.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't either.
		I also don't like most of my family.
		Like, not to say that I don't like my family or anything like that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's what I was saying.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't fucking know most of my family.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I was like, I don't like my family.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You go past my grandparents, who I have some serious questions about.
		You go past them.
		I don't know any of those people.
		I've never met them.
		I would like them to leave me the fuck alone.
		I don't care for this idea of us being a hive organism of the sins and victories of our past.
		I find that that, okay, Alex, if that's the case, then free will is completely non-existent.
		Yeah, no, when my you aren't, you aren't.
		He's like, I love individualism, rugged individualism.
		How is individualism even possible if you are a hive organism of everyone in the past?
unidentified		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Also, hey, I have a brother, right?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So me and my brother come from the exact same genetic line, right?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So you're saying that, are they, no, no.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Or do they take a side?
		Simon's away from the side.
		Okay, I want to go in Dan.
unidentified		I want to go in David.
unidentified		Is it like a divorce situation where they have to choose a schoolyard stickball game where you're picking teeth?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You know, like, you know, David goes first, obviously.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's the oldest.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So, like, you know, whoever.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's rude.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It is.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But you know what I'm saying.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I do.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's nonsense.
		Or do all of your ancestors split depending on how many children they are?
		And then after like five generations, they've got to be split a hundred different places.
		This makes no sense.
		It's ludicrous nonsense that Alex has romanticized and pretended that he's proved in some way.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But we also know.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I guess he's referring to rhizome theory as the idea of proof behind it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He says it's not the epigenetic stuff.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So he's saying it's something beyond that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Which means it's crazy.
		But here's the bigger point.
		We know this from listening to Alex that a lot of this stuff goes back to like religious ideas for him.
		So what he's expressing seems like some sort of a trippy, far out kind of idea.
		But what it really is is a piece of his religious zealotry.
		And so Joe is allowing him to express these sorts of things that really are fundamental pieces of what makes him a religious radical in many ways, a Christian fundamentalist weirdo.
		And it's just unquestioned because he doesn't understand what Alex is even saying.
		I agree.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He just thinks it's, he thinks they're high and they're talking about space.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He doesn't realize that Alex is like, and that's why God is controlling the world, but also there's globalists and shadow governments, but it's all under God.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He does kind of get to that in a little bit.
		But in this next clip, we get another glimpse of what Alex's dad has told him about the past.
		And again, it's dubious.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		My dad didn't tell me this.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Dentist.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Until he saw Endgame, and he said, no, son, we had virtual reality goggles and we had sheety ROM and we had things.
		And then something else happened.
		And I'm not at liberty to get into it, but I was shown three years ago what the University of Washington was doing under Bill Gates.
		And this is in the 90s.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What were they doing?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Virtual in Sani.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		What do you do?
		They don't even know what they're being given.
		It's intervening us.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So you think it's some sort of alien intervention type shit?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Dude, they, to get even deeper, they turn your heart off for five minutes and they pump oxygen into your blood.
		And you're in the meetings.
		I've talked to people that are involved.
		I mean, top scientists.
		Tops.
		And you're in the meetings with freaking aliens.
		Elves is the main group.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But they're also by shutting your heart off.
		It makes you have that psychedelic experience by keeping blood in your oxygen.
		It keeps you alive.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Well, let's explain.
unidentified		Okay.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yes, please.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		The heart goes out.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		The body thinks it's dead.
unidentified		Right.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		So you can stay in longer.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I don't know all the science behind it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, of course not.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No shit.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No shit.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Understatement of the century.
		I don't know all the science behind it.
		You also don't know that Bill Gates didn't run Washington University.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He did?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I thought.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He donated a bunch of money there because his dad was an alum from there and he grew up in Washington and all that stuff.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yes, there is an association of Bill Gates and the University of Washington.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Why did he donate all that money?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Because he was killing people for five minutes.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Aliens.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's like a fucking teaser for next week on house.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like there legitimately was an episode of House where it's like next week on house in order to save his patient.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		They have to have to kill her.
unidentified		Whoa.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Jesus.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there's that sort of stuff.
		Now, granted, I did look into this a little bit, and I'm no doctor.
		I'm not a scientist.
		But it does seem like if you did stop someone's heart and you were able to keep blood flow to their brain, then you could keep them dead for like five minutes.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's in theory possible because the difficulty is when your heart stops, it stops pumping blood, and therefore there isn't oxygen that ends up going to your brain.
unidentified		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And if your brain doesn't have oxygen for a certain amount of time, it becomes damaged to the point where you just can't come back.
		So I believe that there is a theoretical possibility that what he's talking about wouldn't necessarily kill all these people, but it seems incredibly stupid.
		It doesn't seem like a way that you'd have them go into meetings with aliens.
		I don't know.
		I think that there's a lot more he needs to prove, even if that is medically, hypothetically possible.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's what I'm saying.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Also, like even then, but that sounds more like you're describing those I died for two minutes on the table and I saw heaven visions where it's like, no, your brain just ran out of oxygen and you hallucinated before you died.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And you didn't actually leave your body or anything like that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And Joe pushes back on that sort of idea quite a bit and pretty well.
		I didn't include any of those clips, but it does deserve like a shout out or whatever.
		And that is that when he talks about his own DMT experiences and like psychedelic experiences, he's like, yes, I absolutely communicated with something.
		But that's not to say that it wasn't within my head.
		Like there's no reason to assume.
		And he even says, I'll never be able to know either way.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So what's the point?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's a good idea.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You know, whatever you're talking to could be a manifestation of your own subconscious.
		Right.
		Or any of those sorts of things.
		So, like, yeah.
		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That has the, that has the, like, uh, your best bet is the Schrödinger's cat kind of jumping into the multiverse where it's like you have uh you keep shooting, you have one bullet and you keep shooting and you keep shooting.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And at a certain point, you're actually realizing that you've jumped into the multiverse and the only person that you could ever prove that to is yourself.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Somewhat, but I also would look at it like this: we can prove that the subconscious mind does exist.
		We haven't proven that extra-dimensional beings do exist.
		So, when I'm presented with two possibilities, these entities that I'm talking to when I'm hallucinating are either a part of my own subconscious or they're demons from another dimension trying to talk to me.
		Considering one of those things I'm confident is real, the other I don't know.
		I think it's probably rational to err on the side of I don't know, but if I had to choose an explanation, I would go with it's in your head.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No wonder you believe in space.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		My grandpa knew Werner von Braun.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He didn't.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So, in this next clip, Alex talks about the fruits of the Bill Gates killing people for five minutes and going to meetings with aliens.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It turns out they give you technology when you're in there.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's nice.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Now, here's a big problem for Alex.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Joe asks for examples.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Ooh.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Not good.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Not good.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And it's like the things that aliens tell him, they come out and they tell scientists and it works.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like, what kind of shit?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		They didn't tell.
		Let me tell you a kill for this stuff, Joe.
		This is not.
		There's only thing they want me to do.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Come on, man.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Boo, pass.
		How would you fail?
		You could have grabbed fucking anything.
		Yeah.
		Why not just go with the microwave?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Say anything.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Fucking fucking car.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Anything.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Who gives a shit?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Anything.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you're saying something absolutely incrazy.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You might as well attribute some technology to it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And the premise that they kill people for saying specific technologies that the aliens gave you, but not talking about the idea that aliens gave them the technology is an absurd line for any kind of shadowy world government to draw.
		Absurd, fucking stupid.
		So now we get another childhood memory of Alex's where he overheard something that I don't believe is true.
		But it turns out there's a lady who used to come over to his house when he was a kid.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Is this all about fucking?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, this doesn't have to do with fucking.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This one's just overhearing another.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		His stories are gross.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, they're real gross.
		This one isn't gross.
		It's just stupid.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Here's what I'm telling you about.
		When I was a kid, eight, nine, whatever it was, this lady would come over that had known my parents since UT and was involved.
		And she'd talk about, yeah, we call it the Psychedelic Research Institute or whatever the name was, but it's really a CIA deal.
		And, you know, we just can't find people that can handle it.
		They're going in.
		The elves want this.
		And the elves want us to basically reduce population and agree to these certain plans.
		And it's all this dehumanization.
		And they call them the elves.
		It's clockwork elves.
		And they're like, yeah.
		And I'm listening to 27 years old.
		They don't think you're listening, talking about, well, this is what the elves want, and this is what they're going to do.
		And the thing is, it's not parents aren't that special.
		You go out to San Francisco.
		That's all there is, dude.
		It's a cult, man.
		All these guys you know from San Francisco, dude, you look at look at the head of Google or YouTube or freaking Apple.
		He's on TV.
		Tim Cook and his eyes are this big under lights, man.
		These guys are on stuff that nobody even knows.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What do you think they're on?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Stuff they've been given.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I know people at UT.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Jesus.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		They won't tell me specifically, but I'll tell you.
unidentified		Like the dude who owns YouTube, who's that guy?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What's his name?
		You sexist pig.
		No, no, no.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's Alpha Men.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Eddie for the win one more time.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, but Alex at the end there says, like, YouTube is just Alphabet.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's just the same company.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's Google.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Alex doesn't fucking realize that Susan Wojikiki has been the CEO of YouTube since 2014.
		They have a CEO.
		It's a fucking company.
		Just because they're owned by care because he doesn't deal with these things realistically.
		If he did, he would be yelling about Susan all the time because he got kicked off YouTube.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He doesn't because he thinks like, nah, it's just all Jack.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there's like four companies who own all media or whatever.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Like everybody has their own subsidiaries and all that stuff.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That doesn't mean that the company is.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		The companies still have their own CEOs and shit like that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You're just owned by Disney.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But Eddie is like, who's the CEO of YouTube?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And Alex is acting like there isn't one.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And that indicates to me a lack of interest or lack of knowledge about.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And hey, Eddie, it's a woman.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, Joe didn't have to.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You didn't have to say that guy.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But I also think that Joe might have called that out because he does know that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He makes a lot of money off YouTube.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I think he does.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's a business that he is deeply involved in.
		He probably knows exactly who the CEO of YouTube is.
		Probably.
		I mean, I would say it's pretty safe to say he's in the top 1% of YouTube channels.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I would say so.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So obviously, he's probably met her before.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's possible.
unidentified		I would say it's unlikely he hasn't.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Where?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Where would he have met her?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		A meeting.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Why is the CEO in meetings with Joe Rogan?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Because he's one of their biggest moneymakers.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but you have somebody else.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He makes tons and tons.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You have the director of programming.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Rogan makes the mans.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I want to see the CEO.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I can't imagine Rogan saying that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So at this point, I don't think this has been a good show.
		Not our podcast.
		I don't think this has been a good show that Rogan and Alex and Eddie are doing.
		Eddie has helped, but I don't think this is a good show.
		So it made me real bummed out when Alex said this.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		But I don't want to burn this out.
		There's important stuff to cover.
		Aliens.
		This is a good podcast.
unidentified		Fuck.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		But you need to drink some whiskey.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Somebody's going to be a little bit more.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So we switched to the brown liquors.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, no, he's telling Rogan to drink the whiskey.
		Rogan's drinking whiskey.
		Alex is drinking Tito's.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Ah, somehow that's disappointing.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, because whiskey's in the room.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I thought the reverse would be the case.
		I figured Rogan would be drinking some Tito's.
		Disappointing.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Maybe Alex is sponsored.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I have lost.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That is an Austin vodka, right?
unidentified		I have lost respect for Alex Joe.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		The first time.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I thought he was a highwayman.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I thought he believed in it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I thought he stuck to his principles, Dan.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Nah, turns out not.
unidentified		Ugh.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Fear liquors.
unidentified		Gross.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So they talk a bit more about aliens, and it's mostly inconsequential bullshit that is so vague as to be meaningless.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But then Joe starts speculating about the gray aliens.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		The grays.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, not the grays.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		What?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Is it our grays?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		What do you mean by our grays?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I mean our Project Hamelot Grays.
unidentified		Yes.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		All right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It turns out Alex knows all about them.
unidentified		Okay.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Do you think Greys are like a robot?
unidentified		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I've heard that theory that it's not a reality.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		There's no pro.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		The idea is that at a certain point in time you can interface with that robot so that you could see it in real time through its eyes.
unidentified		Why do you believe in graysary?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
		This is what I'm saying.
		If one day in the world.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Grays are biological androids.
unidentified		Hold on.
unidentified		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
		I'm sorry I cut that too early.
		He's like, hold on.
		I was like, hold on.
		Hold on, Alex.
		Your interjections.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Fine.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Grades are biological androids.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Fine.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So, I mean, cool.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Are we talking about the business?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I mean, we're into a Project Camelot situation here.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The stuff he's saying is like, oh, this is directly in line with these space liars that we talk about all the time.
unidentified		But he's doing it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's disappointing that I prefer Carrie.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I do too.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's really disappointing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Joe Rogan's supposed to be a big deal, and I think Carrie's way better than him at this.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think that because Joe and Eddie are laughing about stuff, that helps the pill go down a tiny bit.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's true.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But yeah, she at least gets more information out of her.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Weirdly.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Weirdly, somehow she's a better interviewer.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, because she has an agenda, whereas Joe doesn't really.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And he didn't know that Alex was going to get drunk and start yelling about how aliens give us all the technology.
		But that's a strategic move that Alex is making.
		Because now that they're past the rapprochement, don't need to worry about relationship.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Don't need to worry about Sandy Hook.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I made my new lies or my refined lies clear at the beginning of this.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And now I'm going to make an angle for your listeners.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Because they may know me as like crazy conspiracy guy.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But no, I've done DMT every night because of my thick neck.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And I know everything.
		I am a psychic.
		I know about the Germans and the Nazis meeting with aliens that continues to Bill Gates back when he was at Washington University killing people for five minutes so they could go have meetings with aliens.
		That's why IBM exists.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And I am not going to talk about Trump at all.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He does talk about him later and it's very interesting.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What he says.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Really?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But first, before we get to that, we find out that Alex, he already said this earlier, that he's not in the CIA, but he has to reiterate it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But because he reiterates it, he accidentally says something that most people probably don't know what he's saying, but we do.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Let's just say this: I'm not in the CIA.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Me neither.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I'm not in the NSA.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Me neither.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		But they've been tracking me my whole life.
unidentified		Do you think they give you disinformation sometimes or social?
unidentified		For sure.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		It was the CIA.
		It was the former deputy director, basically the CIA section chief, founder of Delta Force, who got me to like two weeks ago.
		He goes, Alex, you're not saying Sandy Hook stage.
		You need to go say Sandy's Hook stage.
		He goes, oh, we have the people.
		We're there.
		And just because he was a famous MIT scientist and stuff, I went with that.
		So you imagine they already had AI computers, probably.
		I'm speculating, looking way out to set me.
		I mean, I don't know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure there's people setting everybody up.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So Joe did not respond to that well because he doesn't realize that what Alex is suggesting is that back in 2012, they had supercomputers that could tell the future and know what was going to happen.
		And so somebody from MIT, the CIA, came in and told him to say that Sandy Hook is fake because Alex is clearly misspeaking.
		He said two weeks ago.
		Yeah.
		I think he's trying to say two weeks after Sandy Hooker was.
		Because two weeks ago, he didn't say that it was staged or anything like that.
		That doesn't represent reality.
		But you know who Alex says is in the CIA?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Steve Pachen?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You know who else believes that Sandy Hook was fake and told Alex to say it?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Stevie Pachen.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You know who else has a degree in international relations from MIT?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Pachena-me Steve.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's talking about Steve Pieczenik.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		100%.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		100%.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He probably doesn't want to bring that up, though, because Eddie Bravo likes Steve Pieczenik.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Really?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		God damn it, Eddie.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's a fan.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You're such an up-and-down character.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So there's a part of it that Alex might not want to directly attack Steve Pieczenik or something like that, lest it cause ripples or an argument he doesn't want to have with Eddie.
		But he's pretty clearly saying, and he's bolstering Steve's CIA credentials and stuff like that, obviously.
		And probably mixing up multiple people.
		But the main person he's clearly talking about is Steve.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I was listening to that thinking.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Too many of the details match up with how he characterizes Steve.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Is this another situation where we're finding one more excuse that it's not his fault?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's not his fault.
		Fuck off.
		But again, that's just a specific example of the excuses he was making earlier.
unidentified		Exactly.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, that's right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I got bad information.
		And Eddie asks him in that clip, he's like, Do you think it's possible that your sources give you misinformation?
		And Alex is like, yes.
		And then that's one of the examples of misinformation.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Steve Pieczenik.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		If you are aware that your sources sometimes give you misinformation, don't operate on the information people give you.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Any of that information.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Figure out clean information sources and then use those instead of these people who are lying to you because of their own agenda.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I do want to give Rogan credit for a Titanic immediately after the, I've been followed around by the CAA all my life.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That spoke volumes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		What is it?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Brevity is the wit of that sort of thing.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Economy of language.
		Just a well-placed hmm.
		Because it is also, that wouldn't work without the, I'm not in the CIA, me neither.
		I'm not in the NSA.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Me neither.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		They've been following me all my life.
unidentified		Hmm.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Such a good, such a good hmm.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's clear he's been doing stand-up for decades.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's timing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Timing is important.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So Alex is sort of pressed to the wall here by the party to give sort of what how do you know this stuff?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You're so confident about the idea.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm lying.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The aliens gave all these people technology.
		And here's where we get back to Prometheus.
		Our boy, General Albert Burt Stubblebein.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I have literally been trying to find out what's going on.
		And as you get older, you figure out more stuff.
		I'm not the one saying there's all these aliens.
		The entire government and all of these advanced groups, that's why they've given up on space, is they're all about interdimensional.
		So I didn't finish up about, and I want to get Eddie's take, then I'll get into your take.
unidentified		Okay.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Is that I've got a pretty good understanding by interviewing a bunch of people involved about what the master plan is and exactly who we're dealing with because it's not just one group of aliens.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Raptors.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What's the different groups?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		And what are you basing this on?
unidentified		When you say it, you're saying really something better.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What are you basing this on?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		You know about General Stubblebein, right?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		He was a major general.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Was a three-star general.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He was a general.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		He was the head of all clandestine operations for the U.S. government for like 15 years.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He wasn't.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And he said on my show before he died at like 98 or whatever, but also in private discussions, and this is like six, seven years ago.
		And I was interviewing like 15 years ago.
		I mean, this is the guy that ran the whole show.
unidentified		Sure.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		You know, men who stare at goats?
unidentified		Yes.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		That's a joke about that.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		It kind of whitewashes it all.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So this indicates, this is, I hate this so much.
		And he does this a bunch on the show.
		Like when he's talking about that Investopedia article about Soros and the pound, he's like, this is a whitewash of Soros' history.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Men who stare at goats, that's a whitewash on Stubblebein because he successfully walked through walls and teleported or whatever.
		You can just say whatever information you can find.
		You, Jordan, whatever information you can find is a whitewash of the reality that I've been able to find.
		Now, I refuse to tell you where I found that information.
		I won't give you any citations on it.
		I'll say it's mainstream literature.
		It's in the documents.
		It's declassified.
		All that stuff.
		But I won't prove to you anything.
		I'll just say that anything that you think is real is a fucking whitewash.
		And that mentality is exactly what Alex was talking about at the beginning of the show as being his past mindset.
		I got into this mild psychosis.
		You're in it right now.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I can point you to primary sources.
		I have them.
		It's in all the articles.
		Okay, well, the article doesn't say what you want.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's a whitewash.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's because they're hiding what you really want.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Fuck all.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's a whitewash.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Fuck you.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Now, this next clip, I don't think it has much to do with anything.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But it's like, I like to say.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I fucked a rabbit.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's later.
		No, it's not.
		But I like to celebrate when Alex gets esoteric in a way that I like.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Like a pure kind of like a true esoteric.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		When there's almost poetry to what he's saying.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And this next clip has.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		The ocean with the trees.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		The river is the tree.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That sort of thing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		The ocean is the tree.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That is the river.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Gotcha.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It seems to be these moments where he's getting deeply poetic and there's no agenda to it necessarily, just something weird.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Just some wacky bullshit.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think this is as close as we get on the episode.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Consciousness in the universe is an interdimensional spacecraft beyond that that looks like a comet from my research.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And it has its head, it has its corona.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's consciousness.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Consciousness.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		It carries evil in the tail end.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So consciousness has a location?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		No, there is this giant consciousness as God.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Swimming in a giant system of survival of the fitness that God has created to test God's self.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And it looks like a comet.
		So you've got God's conscience and all the good things, the knowledge going forward, but God knows that everybody has to be tested.
		So the tail goes out.
		And at the end of the tail is basically evil.
		That's why Christ says, get behind me, Satan.
		And it's always trying to test God and infiltrate up into it to sabotage him.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's not how comets work.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Damn.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Don't say damn.
unidentified		They do pull the plug in this podcast is a good way to end this motherfucker.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		They're so deep into it at this point.
		It's gone long already past the three-hour mark that they usually Rogan's shows usually go.
		And so there is a sense that both him, like they all want to end it to some extent.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		They're all running out of gas.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		We just got the consciousness is a comet and evils of the tail.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's the like.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Call it, guys.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's the late house party.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I got a lot.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You got to get out of my house.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's the mercy rule at a fucking baseball game.
		It's 10 to nothing.
		Let's move on.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's the, there's four ways to learn, like, kind of sort of thing.
		Someone's expressing that.
		You're like, not much more to do here.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Nope, we got it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You are gone.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		From my deep research, I find that consciousness is in the shape of a comet.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Who is researching?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't know, Helena Bloshotsky or something.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		In the shape of consciousness?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		You might be talking about something that did theosophist nonsense.
		That was the fish fucking movie.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that was the fish fucking movie.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That was actually an autobiography from Alex.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It could have been.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It could have been.
		Back when he was 13.
		17-year-old fish.
unidentified		Fish choked him out.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Made me wear gills for a while.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This is just crazy.
		I mean, I enjoy it on one level, and I enjoy Joe's sort of incredulousness about it.
		Like, wait, wait, consciousness has a location.
		Well, no, it's God swimming around in the survival of the fittest prism that Bob, like, sure, man.
		That's a lot of words.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Hey, yeah, so we're out of beer.
		We got three left.
		Ah, I'm out of beer drinking ability.
		I have one more.
		You know, it's really time to go.
		When I was 12, I fucked a serpent.
		Okay, all right, let's do this.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So Alex talks about the consciousness being the shape of a comet, and the back part of it is evil, and that's why Jesus says, get behind me, Satan, blah, blah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Sure, that makes perfect.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And this leads into Alex talking about how he's a psychic.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's already talked about how he has these DMT dreams, and so he's everything.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Everything.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And so he talks about being a psychic, and I want to say that this made me so delighted because he's talked on his own show about the idea that he saw himself getting mugged in a dream and then that dream came.
unidentified		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And he does tell that story later.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But what he leads with is this, and this made me laugh so hard.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		So just briefly, and you jump in there, Eddie, let me tell you what my deep research and basically vision is.
		Vision just means things crystallize, epiphany.
		Sure.
		To talk about 12 dimensions, 11 known, 12 being omnipresent, so we don't say it actually exists.
unidentified		What?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		To say that is arrogance, so I won't say that.
		But I have had dreams my whole life that come true.
		And the weirdest thing, like a lady drops a thing of pickles at the store for five years, I have a dream, and then one day I'm there and it's the woman in the pickles break.
unidentified		Or, or I want to go.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		When was this?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Take it when I was a kid.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		It was more intense.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That is fucking crazy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So for five years, you had the same dream, and then one day it happened?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Was it exactly how you dreamt it?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Fuck.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I would say my response would also be, fuck, because Alex had a dream about a woman dropping a jar of pickles for five years.
		If there was some sort of like celestial intelligence that was granting Alex his prophetic visions, for five years, it wasted its time telling him, eventually, you're going to see a woman drop a jar of pickles.
		Wait, hey, you could stop it or not.
		It doesn't matter.
		It's inconsequential.
		They don't care.
		She's not going to be charged for the pickles that she dropped.
		Someone's going to have to clean it up.
		I guess it'll be a mild inconvenience for an employee.
		So low stakes, this psychic ability.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Universal consciousness is, it turns out, very petty.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It is not, it's like.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Or trite.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's just nonsensical.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		God damn it.
		No one is, nobody knows that this lady is going to drop these fucking pickles.
		We're the universal consciousness.
		We got to tell somebody.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Or God is a cucumber.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		God could be a cucumber.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Possible.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Hates pickles.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, the pickles are his children.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, they're not his children.
		They're bastardizations of his children.
		It's a metaphor.
		They dropped the pickles because God despises the pickles.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, no.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		God wanted Alex to save the pickles.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Pickles are the fallen children of God.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		God wanted Alex to save the pickles because through pickling, the cucumber becomes its greatest form.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What do you mean it becomes its greatest form?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Much like a caterpillar going into a larva and becoming a butterfly going into the pupa stage or whatever.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You put those cucumbers in pickling juice, becomes so much better.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You do not realize that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		God understands that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Cucumbers are racist as fuck.
		Cucumbers are racist as fuck.
		Pickles to cucumbers, pickles are what miscegenation is to white supremacists.
		That's the only thing that's going to have to agree to.
		I'm going to stand on this one hard.
		This is the hill I die on, Dan.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This conversation makes as much sense as anything Alex is bringing to the table.
		So that's a bad sign.
		In this next clip, Alex talks more about his prophetic dreams, and he says something about a dream he had when he was a much younger man.
		And this to me was real fucked up.
		This is a little bit of a longer clip, but it's because I wanted to illustrate how Alex's brain is functioning.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Which is not.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The way he's chaining thoughts together is deeply troubling.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You'll see what I mean as soon as this gets going.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And they'll use this against me, but notice they don't touch it because it's their whole religion and they can't stand on talking about it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm touching it.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		By the time I was like three years old, I would have this dream that God has.
		Because God knows everything.
		He's a super intelligent, omnipresent, unlimited dimensions, but God doesn't know where God came from.
		So just like we're trying to find out where we came from, God is like a virtual reality simulation as well.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I want to jump in here really quick and say that I think that recently he read Scott Adams' book, God's Debris.
		The guy who created Dilbert, he's a big MAGA guy now.
		He wrote this hypothetical thought experiment called God's Debris many, many years ago when he's trying to be like, I'm not just the Dilbert guy.
		He wrote this book, and it was basically the argument that God knows everything except what a universe without him would be like.
		And he searches for this wisdom.
		A lot of the things that Alex is describing in this three, when he was three years old, this dream he had from the perspective of God is kind of similar.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's not when I was three years old, I had a dream for three straight years that Dilbert would be a hit, and then it came true.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's not one-to-one parallels with Scott Adams' book, but it's close enough that, and I know that he and Scott Adams are friends.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right, because Scott Adams has been on the show.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		A bunch.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And so it's close enough that I think that maybe he's being influenced by Dilbert.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		That is constantly running every program, every operation, turning evil loose, good loose, everything.
		So, I would have these dreams.
		But the earliest memories, like two, three years old, where I would fly out to the edge of infinity.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's not a thing you can say.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		It was a continual message.
		Find out where we came from, find out what it is.
		And it would just be this big, giant, spinning black vortex like a black hole.
		And then I would have to go into that trying to figure out what was going on.
		And it was the same thing.
		And it was a little frustration.
		So then growing up and dealing with things and questioning politics and questioning all these other areas, then having dreams that come true exactly and like knowing what's going to happen before it happens and then questioning it and then it never being wrong.
		Weird, like crazy stuff, man.
		Like, just so much stuff where it becomes like you can't even deal with it.
		You like dial it out.
		And then you just reach that point where you don't even know what's real anymore because it's so crazy.
		But then you see the mathematics of the whole system and you know how it works.
		It's not like you're some schizophrenic.
		You talk about it, you deal with it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And actually, it is kind of like you're something.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Now when you fight the system, you automatically know what to do.
		Like when you talk about something, the president word for word repeats, Trump.
		That's what freaks him out.
		Word for word, whole speeches, like whole things.
		And I'm on a power trip.
		That's what they flipped out about at the CIA and everywhere else.
		And they're like, well, Jones is connected to Trump, and I think Trump's like an idiot, Savant.
unidentified		What does that have to do with the speech?
		Explain that.
		Trump's speech?
		I'm trying to follow you.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I don't even know.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I don't even know.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's the thing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		It's hard to follow you sometimes.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Because you're making no sense.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Especially when you're drunk as shit and high.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's not high yet.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He hasn't smoked any weed yet.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He was talking about a cigar.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, But he's drank a lot of Tito's.
		And yeah, I mean, that's just how his tangential brain works because he's chaining things and making connections where connections don't exist.
		He's talking about one thing and realizing he's in over his head and not making sense.
		So he connects it to something else like, I say things and then the president repeats them and the CIA is freaked out by it.
		It's kind of how a kid talks.
		It's really childish affect that he's expressing here.
		And like as much of a goof and a gullible weirdo as Eddie Bravo is, he's still on the level enough to be like, I don't understand what you're talking about.
		What does that have to do with the subject you were talking about?
		You started by talking about dreams that you had from God's eyes or whatever when you were three, and now we're talking about you and the president mirroring each other and the CIA being freaked out.
		Which aren't making sense.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I would really hope that if I were ever to be gifted with the opportunity to see the edge of infinity, I would come back with a bit more of a higher mindset than become a talk show host and claim that Sandy Hook is fake.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And aggressively never read, but then say you've read everything.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I would really hope that my mind would be expanded to the point where you would think I would be above petty human bullshit.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you might almost become some sort of a star baby.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		2001 to Space Out.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You might become a positive influence of people like, hey, leave these petty differences behind.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's not important.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Or even then, simultaneously, like a certain nihilistic impulse of like, it doesn't mean anything.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Been to the literal edge of infinity.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But I think Alex thinks that he's the prior version of that.
		Not the nihilistic version.
		I think he thinks.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He thinks he's the positive.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he thinks that he's the guy who's telling people all this stuff doesn't matter when in reality all he does is aggressively over-inflate petty things to reinforce status quo, whether it be racial, gender-based, anything like that.
		He's the definition of making things regressive matter.
		Yeah.
		The presentation is I'm above the right-left paradigm or whatever.
unidentified		Sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So, yeah, it's nonsense.
		Anyway, this is also this next clip.
		I didn't want to play this, but you kind of have to if you're going over this episode.
		This is the other thing that everyone's going to put into GIFs, and I understand why, but...
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I ate my grandma's foot.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to be honest with you.
		I'm kind of retarded.
		In that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's not funny.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's going to be a soundbite.
unidentified		They're going to put that to mariachi music.
unidentified		No.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Alex is exhaling aggressively because he realizes, like, I was going to make a point with that, but I just.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Everything is done.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I find that disgusting, even in terms of Alex, whatever he's trying to say about himself or whatever.
		Like, just fuck off.
		You think that stuff.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He thinks he's being self-effacing and humble, and what he's really being is dismissive and disgusting, offensive.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What an asshole.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So now here's where we get to the tobacco.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I can say for sure, if you watch it, he hadn't smoked any tobacco before this.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I'll take a puddle of tobacco.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		No, seriously.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		When it comes to regular regular tobacco with no marijuana at all, would you like some?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Okay.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		No, but I'm not.
unidentified		I have no need for Alex.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		My gut's never wrong.
unidentified		That's the first of the things.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I want to get into all your points because here's the deal.
unidentified		What points?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's all I got.
		My gut's never wrong.
		You said earlier that you.
unidentified		I ain't got no points.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		His gut is always wrong.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He said in the beginning of the show he was misled.
		He was all of this shit.
		And then later on in the show, he says his gut's never wrong.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, and he says he's a psychic, which allowed him to know that someone was going to drop pickles or something like that.
		But he's not psychic in a way that he could realize, oh, this CIA MIT scientist psyop guy named Steve Pieczenik is going to mislead you and completely destroy whatever you were doing.
		He doesn't have any of the important instincts.
		Whatever he has, like he thinks like my gut's never wrong.
		The evidence on the table is his gut is always wrong.
		But whatever he feels is like, he doesn't take into account these other things where his instincts have led him deeply, deeply astray, repeatedly.
		And that seems to me like you're just not, you're not saying anything.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's like he's describing the worst X-Men power you could have.
		Like, look, I'm a mutant.
		I have these psychic powers, but they're all cucumber-based.
		That is my gift.
		And then Professor X is like, cool?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Cool in the kitchen of the school.
unidentified		That's great.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		We've always been afraid of what's going to happen when you pickle things too much.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So come on down.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I still think there's a use for that as a mutant ability, but it would just be more like admin.
		You know, like in the kitchen.
		Well, in the kitchen.
		You know, like in-house.
		You're not useful fighting Magneto.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But you're useful.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Unless Magneto is on a pickle jack.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		True.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Or you can make magnetic pickles.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Ooh, that'd be fun.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Now we've created a new.
		Hey, Marvel, hit us up.
		I just saw that trailer for Dark Phoenix.
		Could have used a magnetic pickle guy.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Could have used a magnetic pickle guy.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		What is Gene Greg going to do against a magnetic pickle guy?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Fucking nothing.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		She's going to be confused.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Fucking nothing.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So at this point, Alex gets high, and he gets high pretty quick.
		And Joe asks him about something, a conversation that they had off air.
		And this is bullshit.
		Whatever he was telling Joe before they started is bullshit.
		And the way he's presenting it on air is also bullshit.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I don't want to be like, my life is not shandy hook.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I'm sad that you're.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Tell me what you were telling me earlier, that you were actually, even before all this happened, you were planning your exit strategy.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Like, you get weary of this.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and it's not like I'm afraid of the fight, but I'm 45, and I've had a long, adventurous life, so I'm probably like 60.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That doesn't make sense.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But I do believe that he had to have been thinking about cashing out at some point.
unidentified		For sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But I also don't believe that it was before the election.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Fuck no.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		From what we witnessed from looking at 2015, there wasn't a part of him that was like, he was eager for the fray.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He was all in.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		What happened is after the election, he realized, uh-oh, I've committed to something too hard.
		And also, I have nobody who can take over the operation, and I can get a piece of continuing if I retire.
		So he's put himself into a completely negative situation.
		But it does suit his mythology, and it's beneficial to him to make it look like he wanted to quit before all this started.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Before all this victimization by the globalists really kicked into overdrive.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And that's what he's presenting here.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And I was already, like, I wasn't sure about Trump or whatever.
		Had this really bad feeling when he got elected.
		Nothing was bad.
		Just like, oh, the war's about to start.
unidentified		You were laughing at Cornwall.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		And then I was already planning to kind of face things out just because I don't want to die when I'm 55, a heart attack.
		And the fact they attack me so much makes me have to battle and fight and never give up.
		And so it's not like they even wore me down before they ever, they kept me in the game.
		I want to explain it.
		They kept me in the game attacking me and lying about me because now I'm, well, I've now become what I was worried about.
		Now I dream about this stuff.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So that's bullshit.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He always dreamed about this stuff.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He just liked that a white dude was fuck off.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He got reinvigorated by a great white supremacist-leaning guy had a chance to win.
		And he's like, oh, I'm all about this.
		But now the consequences, the chickens have come home to roost, and you don't like it so much because people are like, hey, Dick, we put up with this for a long time, and now it's unsustainable.
		Now you're a problem.
		Sorry, we should have done this a long time ago.
		Should have dealt with you, but you were just a goofy fucker who was lying about everything in a fine way.
		And now you are a systematic piece of upholding a system that is killing people.
		I mean, there was just a report recently about people, like children being sexually abused in the detention centers that have been set up at the border and stuff like that.
		He's a part of defending that.
		He's a part of defending Bolsonaro in Brazil.
		He's a part of defending now the regime change in Venezuela.
		He's a part of rationalizing Trump doing this dumbass publicity stunt bullshit in North Korea that only helps Kim Jong-un.
		Like, he's a part of defending these things that are really dangerous.
		And I understand that the foreign policy of the United States wasn't great before or anything like that.
		It's worse now.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Eh.
		I'm not going to go to bat for American foreign policy in any era.
		Nor am I. Not even since not even, not even the America.
		I'm not even going to go to bat for the American fucking revolution as American foreign policy.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to take it conditionally.
		Yeah.
		I would say that the difference, one of the biggest differences is a steady hand, or at least the appearance of a steady hand.
		I think that that does have a marked difference in how you're presenting things.
		And the absence of that is deeply chaotic, and it allows a lot of bad actors to take advantage of that.
		And I think that Alex is a huge part of mainstreaming, even before the election and the lead up to the election, mainstreaming and normalizing a lot of those ideas that now have grown beyond him.
		Like they're now on Tucker every night, or Hannity is all on board with that stuff.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		In a way that they weren't necessarily before.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, in the way that they had to hide.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right, exactly.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		They believed all this shit, but they had to.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's not part of public discourse.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And Alex helped make that a part of public discourse.
		Hell yeah, he did.
		And so, I don't know.
		I mean, if you want to duck the consequences, fine.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Not fine.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, I mean, I understand it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I see where you're coming from.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I get it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You can't.
		In the same way, you can't duck the consequences of what you said about Sandy Hook.
		I don't care if you're saying it now.
		You did.
		You did then.
		And you had millions of listeners.
		You knew what kind of influence you were having on people.
		So it doesn't matter.
		Whatever you want to do now doesn't matter.
		The damage is done.
		So when he's talking about all this bullshit, about like, I wanted to quit, I don't want to have a heart attack when I'm 55, all this stuff.
		That's just his mythology.
		That's rationalizing where he is now.
		He's pretending all of these attacks that are coming against him just come out of nowhere because he's using the straw man version of these attacks in order to be like, hey, all these people, they attacked me in the way that I perceive these attacks to be coming, And that made me stay in the game.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And the media false flagged me in order to.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So he doesn't talk that much about Trump, but he does say this in the next clip, which is not as strong as Trump shoves ISIS up his dirty asshole, but it's not far off in some ways.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I wanted to say this.
		I'm going to say it because this is so powerful.
		I don't dislike Donald Trump.
		And I think he's done some good things on trying to do peace and trying to get travelers back to America.
		But I hate Donald Trump because I got behind him because I knew Hillary was bad.
		And then he became my identity.
		He's not a bad guy.
		But the truth is, I hate him more than Hillary Clinton because he's who I am now.
		And whatever he does is who I am.
		I'm not with Donald Trump.
		I'm with America and freedom and everything else.
		And I'm not throwing him under the bus to get George Soros on my back.
		No, they're already after me for the reasons I'm not with them.
		I'm not against even Trump.
		But I get in a fight like this that's so dumbed down.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What are you talking about?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		That then, no matter what I do, they take my radicalness, my weirdness to hurt Trump.
		But then all it does is radioactively attack me.
		I don't know how to describe it, but it's like Trump is breaking my legs every day.
		And it's not like I'm not willing to go through the pain, except a lot of what he says I don't agree with, and he's not my identity.
		Sandy Hook's not my identity.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		This is Donald Trump.
		You're talking from your own personal perspective, and I appreciate that.
		I don't know how many people actually think that he's your identity.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I do.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I do.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You know why?
		Because Alex did that.
		Alex is complaining about the end result of his actions.
		He's complaining about people perceiving him as like Donald Trump is my identity when for years all he did was get on his show and do everything possible to muddy the water and defend indefensible things that Trump was doing.
		And it's like, hey, you know, it's great.
		Nationalism.
		Hurrah.
		It's not communism.
		Whoop-dee-woo.
		Like all that shit.
		The idea that he's like, he made his fucking bed and he refuses to lie in it.
		That is what's going on.
		Sandy Hook isn't my identity.
		Donald Trump isn't my identity.
		Then why did you behave the way you did?
		That is the problem.
		Your behavior is what led to this.
		If you hadn't said that everyone at Sandy Hook were actors and you hadn't caused that pain, you hadn't done that, no one would say you did.
		That is absurd.
		No one would do that.
		I wouldn't do that.
		I treat Alex Jones the most fairly that anybody ever does.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's disconcerting.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		For someone who hates him as much as I do and studies him and takes this much time about him, I am overly fair with him.
		And I would never characterize him as acting the way, like saying that he, like Sandy Hook is a part of his identity, if he hadn't made it a part of his identity.
		I would never say that Trump is his identity.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He just said it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		If he hadn't branded himself that way intentionally.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I was going to say, he's.
		Okay.
		Okay.
		So for three years, non-stop, I talked about how great Trump was and how close I was to his identity.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You talked to him all the time.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I talked how great he was and everything that he did is what I want to do.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		How we had to die for him.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Mind-melled.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And now people think that I'm just the Trump guy.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This is like Carrot Top being like, I'm fucking pissed off that people think I like props.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Dude, that's your career.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Now, great to.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Fuck you.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Carrot Top might have told some one-liners before he discovered the prop act that took him to the main level, like headlining level.
		And yeah, Alex, you did have a career that was based on other things before Trump, but it certainly turbocharged your career and you ran with it intentionally.
		That was your gimmick.
		You accepted that gimmick and you now have to accept that you did that.
		To deny that is pathetic.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Either that or you have to admit that you did it for money.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And you didn't believe a fucking word.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, now that would be an interesting thing to do because it would give a little bit more credence to these, like, I don't want this to be me.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I just accepted this because of crass considerations.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But that would also undermine all of his other positions.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right, of course.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		But it would be, it would be.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's the only way that works.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's the only way what he's presenting works.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's like, get the fuck out of here with your, like, I don't want people to think that that's my identity.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That is your identity.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's your identity.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Because of you.
		Go fuck yourself.
		Exactly.
		So he's high.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And you can tell.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You can tell.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, for sure.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		But the fact that he did get high so quick does kind of give me some like, yeah, maybe you don't get high, but once in a year.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He doesn't get high.
unidentified		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So it's like, if you're getting that fucked up that quick, you probably.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I definitely believe him that he doesn't smoke weed.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And he does talk about how weed makes him anxious and paranoid and stuff like that.
		As someone who has the same response to weed, I totally understand.
		Like, I've probably ingested marijuana through edibles and stuff like that.
		Like three times in the last three years or something like that.
		I am not against it.
		I loved it when I was much younger, but it has an effect on me now that I don't enjoy.
		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So why would you do it?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		It's stupid.
		I'll drink and what have you.
		But I understand that.
		The idea that Alex is like, I don't smoke.
		And to be fair, if I were in a situation comparable to Alex being in a studio with Eddie Bravo and Rogan, I probably would also smoke.
		Oh, I understand.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		If the stakes were as high as what Alex is dealing with right now, I probably wouldn't smoke.
unidentified		But I get it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It doesn't seem like a good idea to fuck up your headspace while at the same time being sued by Sandy Hook victims.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But I think he thinks he's navigated that territory successfully, and now we're into the fun part of the show.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right, right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, that's fair.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So I get that.
		I'm not coming down on him.
		I think it's a dumb idea.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, smoke him if you got him.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm cool with him.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Wouldn't do it just because I would rather this be fun, this experience with friends and what have you, as opposed to me getting real weird.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And like, huh.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's like how some people react on getting dug with high or whatever it is, where it's like.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		There was that episode of checklist.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I got too high.
		Yeah.
		And you're like, well, then this is a terrible thing that you did.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's foolish.
		Anyway, in this next clip, like I said, he's high.
		And he should be responding to that with like, maintain, be cool.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right, right, right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Instead, he responds this way.
unidentified		What does this say?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You're like, get more tobacco?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I do have more tobacco, but I'm just.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Can I have a little bit more tobacco?
unidentified		Yes, for sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		100%.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Can I have a little bit more of an addictive personality?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's in the middle of the show.
		Give me more weed.
		I want to get fucking hired because I think I'm killing this.
		I think I am knocking this out of the park and I want more weed.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Could I be a better example of my own lack of self-control?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And your complete enabling personality.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, no kidding.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Now, again, I think it would be interesting if Joe Rogan was doing this as a setup.
		I think that would be fucking fascinating.
		And as Alex would describe it, Machiavellian.
		Yes.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Because, like, yeah, get it really fucked up.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's going to say crazy shit.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But to be fair, the craziest shit that he said was when he was early parts of drunk.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Just drink.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		A couple glasses of Tito's in.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's talking about Native Americans being easy to mind control.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's a fucked up thing to say.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's talking about his grandfather being uber mentioned and stuff like that before any of the weed comes in.
		So all that is just like, you're in, you're on ground that you're comfortable being on.
		You drink a bit.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's super weird, our show, in that, what he said earlier, we've just kind of moved on from.
		Oh, we have to.
		And then you're like, you brought it up again, and I'm like, wait, he really did say that Native Americans were susceptible to mind control.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Genetically.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Genetically.
unidentified		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's the end of the show.
		You know, like, okay, get out of here.
		Go, go, get gone.
		It's not.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Instead, Joe just said, hmm.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Huh.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Which is why this isn't good as an exercise.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You know, it's just not a good thing to do, this sort of show.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And I'm fucking positive if we paid as much attention to other episodes of Rogan's show as we do the ones that Alex is on.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right, there'd be more than enough fucked up stuff.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I guarantee that probably is pretty universal.
unidentified		Man.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So Alex puffs a little more tobacco.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He's had a really popular show, right?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Super.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's unfortunate.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He just likes ideas.
		So Alex puffs a little more tobacco, a little bit of this.
		Shout out to Joe McAdam doing a little bit of this.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		There you go.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Sucking Tim Dicks.
unidentified		All right.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		A little bit of this.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		A little bit of this.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		One of the great bits.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		New faces.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Joe McAdam, one of the best.
		So Alex gets into a weird headspace, and he starts talking about racism.
		And most of it is super unimportant.
		He's just saying that he isn't a racist, and it's stupid that anyone says that he is a racist.
		This is a big piece of his defense.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Let's wrap this up.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		No, we need to wrap it up, but I got to make this point.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I don't know what it is.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		How was I getting into that?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Oh, the racism thing.
unidentified		Oh.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You're a racist.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		It's not about.
		I know I'm saying something so simple.
		Everybody's like, yeah, you just told me grass is green.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Say you're a race.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Barlut King, like, it doesn't matter what color someone is.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Say you're a race.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		It matters what they stand for, what they do.
		I go to restaurants that can be owned by Koreans or black people or white people, whatever.
		If the food's good, like music.
		Like, I love Jimmy Henry.
		He's a black.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What if the food sucks?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Then I hate it.
		But it's not because they're white or because they're Hispanic.
		Of course.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Joe, I know you've been sitting next to a Mexican for three hours.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I 100% believe you.
unidentified		You totally love Mexicans.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		I do too.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Mexican food.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Do you notice that long pause there?
		That was because Alex was like, what are you talking about?
		He doesn't realize that Eddie Bravo is Hispanic.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so he has no idea.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Rogan is saying, I know you're not racist.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You've been sitting next to a Mexican for three hours.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, his name is Bravo.
		He's Italian, right?
		Wait.
		You sit, wait.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't think that that pause is Alex being like, I can't believe I sat next to a Mexican for three hours.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, I'm not saying it.
unidentified		I know.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I know you're not saying that.
		And I just want to be clear.
		It's just him being like, I don't understand what you're saying.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't get.
		Because he can't process anything.
		He's fucking so drunk and high that, like, I'm not playing a ton of clips from the end of this episode because it is so disastrous.
		It's just them wanting to end the episode, and the natural rhythms are over.
		And then Alex being like, no, let's talk about the driver.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I got one more thing to say.
unidentified		Let's talk about this.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Eddie, what do you think about this?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And like, trying to use Eddie as a prop in order to start a conversation.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like, it's trash.
		It's awful.
		But there is something that ends up being discussed that I think is very important.
		And it's this.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I've been pile drived.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Somebody pile drived you?
		What happened?
		How old were you?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I was about 13.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		13 was the undertaking.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Somebody pile drived you in your head.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Did it change your personality?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I got up and punched him in the throat and they had a drinking on me.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I was dead.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		What?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So was it a family?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		It was like the state wrestling champion, middleweight, and his cousin or something.
		And Dallas was like this, like, you know, got me down.
		I was never starting five, man.
		These people.
		Here's the thing: I'm not a victim of racial attacks.
		I'm not like Jeffrey or Jesse Smollett.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You literally said.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I'm on rednecks, and I got my leg broken, you know, by.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So this guy pile drived you on your head when you were 13.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		What did it do to your personality?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Then I had to fight his whole family.
		Well, fight most of his family.
		It was a James Anger.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Did it change?
		But did you have any significant change from that head injury?
		Sometimes when people have head injuries, especially it seems like younger people.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		You know, stuff just got better after that.
unidentified		Really?
		Joe's all serious.
		Like, dude, we got to get to the root of it.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's good timing.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		That's good timing.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		No, no, but I mean, I mean, that's happened to a lot of folks.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So Alex says at the end, there, I am brain damaged, there's no doubt.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So I guess we can take that as a curiosity we've had and put a check mark in it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And we definitely get rid of the probably there.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but the no, because that guy didn't die, but that might be the person that Alex is talking about who had medical complications later that died.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's possible.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But we can't put a defense.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Didn't he say that he had a tracheotomy and then died?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, almost died.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Oh, almost died.
unidentified		All right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He didn't say he died.
		But the other thing there is that this needs to be fucking crystal clear.
		Joe is being like, that's good timing.
		When Alex is saying, like, his response is like, well, how did your personality change?
		He's like, it was all good from there.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't think that was a joke.
		I think it was Alex responding in a dismissive kind of way to be like, what he's asking me is a threatening question in some ways.
		Because if I recognize the fact that I got pile driven on concrete when I was 13, how did your personality change?
		Because that is a very common thing that happens with severe brain trauma or head trauma.
		Alex is, I think it's a dismissive answer that Joe is taking as a joke, and it's not a joke.
		Now, I want to tell you this.
		Jordan, the pile driver is actually a move that's banned by the WWE.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Here we go.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Because if it's not performed right, the odds of it killing or paralyzing someone are really high.
		For instance, at SummerSlam 1997, Owen Hart delivered a botched pile driver to Stone Cold Steve Austin and broke his neck in the middle of the match.
		Thankfully, he was able to get surgery and recover from that, but it pretty much guaranteed that Stone Cold's career would be cut way short.
		Most doctors who generally aren't thrilled to be asked to comment on this sort of thing agree that the pile driver, if it's delivered in a real-world scenario, would almost definitely break a person's neck and would very likely immediately kill them.
		The direct downward force would cause your spinal column to completely compress.
		So the odds of you not at very least ending up paralyzed are very, very low.
		What Alex is describing is a situation that it doesn't match with the idea that you stood up and then punched the guy.
		I don't know if this is true.
		It seems like it's not true, or at least the narrative of it seems not true.
		You might be combining two stories.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, and in his world, it is almost certainly exaggerated, even if the sequence of events that he's describing happened.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It wasn't that he got full-on pile drive.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		More like he got thrown or whatever it is, and he's then describing it as a pile driver.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		In order to kind of give everybody the mental image of what he survived and bounced back from in a superhuman way.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He's he, you know, he got pushed to the ground.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But whatever it is, it's a dangerous dangerous thing to be bandying about because it's like, I think that anybody who talks about real fights in the real world, I think you have a responsibility, especially when a pile driver comes up, say, don't do that to people.
		You have a real good chance of killing them.
		Yeah.
		Don't do that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, his argument would be, don't do that to people because they might stand up and then punch you in the fucking throat.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's Alex's angle.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Jesus.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So even if you accept his preposition or his proposition that he got pile driven and then punched this guy in the throat caused tracheotomy, blah, blah, blah.
		Whatever.
		Even if you accept that, let's imagine.
		Let's stipulate that that's true.
		What he experienced at 13 is an intense trauma.
		Like that is.
		Because this guy is the state wrestling champion or whatever.
		He's a wrestler.
		He's a muscly guy.
		There's a lot of weight to him.
		So when you pile drive someone, part of the compression part of it is their weight coming along with your weight falling down and knocking your head into the ground.
		So the idea is it's someone who would be able to deliver that with a ton of impact.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		But the idea that a wrestling, that an actual state wrestling champion, not a professional wrestler, would deliver a pile driver seems silly.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It kind of is.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Like he would use wrestling moves.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He would get you in a full Nelson.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
		He would choke you out or do any number of things.
		He wouldn't be like, I saw this, I saw the Undertaker do this.
		Like, fuck off.
unidentified		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It is weird.
		But anyway, even if you believe it's true, then what you have to come away from that is, Alex, that is crazy.
		That is a trauma that people don't go through.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, but this, this, every bit of information we have about Alex's childhood from this, and basically every story he's ever told about his childhood, is that same sympathizing thing that you hear from so many serial killers childhoods, where it's like, I experienced nothing but non-stop trauma until I was, and then I started killing people, and so we stopped sympathizing with you.
		But for him, it's like there's literally nothing that you can describe his childhood as other than a near non-stop combination of statutory rape, fucking goddamn mind control games by his dad, and then now physical fucking violence.
		This dude is fucked up.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Emotionally threatening situations that he's in, whether it be believing that someone's parent was trying to induct him into a satanic cult, or any of these things, like completely unlike no boundaries situations that he finds himself in.
unidentified		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, if you and I want to make this super clear because this is important.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't think I necessarily believe any of the details he's saying.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But if you take him at what he's saying, if you believe him, then this is a really, really.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The portrait that he's painting of his younger years is exactly the recipe for someone who needs help.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's not somebody who's funny.
		It's not somebody who has laughed at how crazy he is or anything.
		None of that stuff.
		And if you don't believe him, that's even kind of weirder because then it's someone who's lying to try and create the image that their childhood was, the sort of thing that would require decades of therapy in order to get you to be able to integrate this information into a healthy life.
		So it's kind of like, I don't know what you're getting out of bragging and embellishing these stories that are deeply fucked up.
		I don't know.
		I just want to make clear that I don't believe this stuff just because he's saying it.
		I'm not getting tricked by some sort of a goof.
		Right, right, right, right.
		But if you do believe it, this is very serious.
		That's what I'm saying.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		See, the way that I'm treating this is I don't believe the details of what he's saying, but I do believe in the overall trauma of what he's expressing.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The feeling that he's expressing behind the maybe warped details.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he didn't go to some senior in high school's house in a Mercedes and get inducted into a satanic cult by killing Nonk.
		I don't think that that's true.
		But I do think that something happened wherein he got really traumatized at a very young age in a way that is a far lower stakes version.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's entirely possible that he was a young person at some sort of a church that was a little bit weird or whatever, and they wanted him to join the youth group or something like that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And he's repurposed that story.
unidentified		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Whatever emotions he felt threatened in that moment when they're like, you should be a part of our group.
		I think you have a lot to offer to whatever.
		That's entirely possible.
		I don't know.
		I think we drift into the possibility of irresponsibly psychoanalyzing him.
		I think what you're saying is appropriate, but then if we get more specific, it's bad.
		Right, right.
		Whatever he's describing is probably a general feeling that he had that does describe trauma.
		The details.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Who fucking knows?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Whatever happened, this guy was traumatized.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Whatever his details are are secondary to the fact that he is describing a very real trauma that he experienced, regardless of, you know, like this is the type of shit that you would be hearing in group, you know?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Or you'd be hearing in a biography of a guy who's on death row.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You know, it is.
		It's deeply troubling stuff.
		I don't know why Alex would want that to be his backstory if it's not true.
unidentified		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		But I don't know.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Maybe his life is just super boring.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I guess he could be, from a very crass standpoint, I guess that he could be trying to elicit sympathy.
		You know, like, look at how fucked up my childhood was.
		But then I don't understand why you would pass it off as bragging.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Sympathy in an aggressive way.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		It all kind of goes out the window after I heard this next clip, though, because it's just masculine posturing, a lot of it.
		Like at its core, like a lot of those stories, even the ones about like, I was 12, I was fucking this 17-year-old.
		There is still a macho posturing behind it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Again, it's the high school kid who fucks his teacher and everybody gives him a high five, and you're like, no, that's deeply fucked up.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And so this next clip was gross.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Any given time, if somebody's a regular guy and I would never start a fight, they kick my ass.
		Like the average 150-pound guy, you're probably kicking my ass.
		But when a bunch of people are coming after me, it's like Darth Vader.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And Darth Vader.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Notorious for being good in a street fight.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		When I was a kid, Darth Vader run away the first time I bashed somebody's head into the concrete when they attacked me.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I got hard in hell.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's gross.
		That is two problems with that.
		The first thing.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		There's so many problems with that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Well, many.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But the two problems I'm identifying is: he said the first time I bashed someone's head into the concrete, which implies there was a second.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Not just that one time I did.
		And then the second thing is I got higher than hell.
		I got the equivalent of a drug experience off causing pain to somebody.
		By bashing someone's head into a concrete, I felt so alive.
		I felt like I got to an elevated state by causing this pain.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That is David Wong wrote a book called Futuristic Violence in Fancy Suits, which I think is.
		I really love that book.
		And the main villain in that book is just the essential avatar of toxic masculinity.
		And his huge deal is just by this violent bullshit masculinity ideology that I have, I feel the juice.
		I feel the adrenaline.
		Right.
		And that's greater than any feeling in the world.
		And I'm destroying the weak in order for the true super society to be built entirely around the adrenaline high.
		And it's just fucking disgusting.
unidentified		It is just detrimental.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's purity to some extent, right?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I'm sure.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, no, it's he, no, but he's the villain.
		Yeah.
		The point is they're going through all, like, he's being described, and his actions are such that it cannot be more obvious that this is toxic masculinity at its worst.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And Alex is embodying that to a deep extent.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		To a deep extent.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't know what to do with those sorts of things.
		Like, it really is tough because, like, I mean, I don't know.
		There's a world that exists, and it might be the world we're living in, where Alex is making all this up.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And he may never have bashed somebody's head into the concrete.
		He talks about it a lot.
		We've heard him talk about it a bunch.
unidentified		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So, like, it's possible he's making that up.
		If he isn't, he's describing taking great pleasure from doing it, which I fucking hate.
		If he's making it up, he's making it up in service of saying that he got great pleasure from it, which I also hate.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Because that's also a part of his brain.
		Then he's imagining what it would be like to bang someone's head on the concrete and thinking, I probably would get really high doing that.
		I probably would get a fucking charge out of that.
		There's no way around that that doesn't describe someone who is deeply disturbed.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That is fucked up.
		Even if it's in self-defense, like I understand punching somebody if they're coming at you or whatever.
		I'm not going to, I'm not going to, I hate violence in all its forms, but I'm not going to sit here and say like self-defense is bad or anything like that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, if you're a Christian, there's that whole turn the other cheek part.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Look, I don't want to litigate that.
		It's not important.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I know, I know.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm just pointing out that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't think there's any circumstance where you're banging someone's head into the concrete that is justifiable violence.
		I don't believe that.
		And then imagining or having the response that you get high and enjoy it is just, you're a monster.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely disgusting.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Real or not, you are a real or not monster.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And that means you're a monster.
unidentified		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
		You're gross.
		We're enough years into this where it does kind of seem as though, or at least I feel like I have a certain handle on when Alex is making something up whole cloth.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And when he is exaggerating something when there's behind it.
		Yeah, exactly.
		There is something to many of these stories, trauma did happen.
		Yes.
		I don't know the details.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's not the same as when he's making something up and he's like, my grandpa was German.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't want to get into it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
unidentified		I don't want to get into it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, if he keeps.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		If he's making something up.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		If it was completely made up, there would be either the, I don't want to get into it, and I'll leave it as like a tease, or the hyper-detailed, like, I gave this, I smashed this guy's head into the concrete.
		I remember because he was wearing a no-fear t-shirt and blue jean shorts.
		And, you know, there would be those hyper-specific details that kind of tell you, oh, you're just fucking making this shit up.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's done that on some occasions with some of his violent stories on his own show, but he's not doing it here on this episode.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But this next clip I think is really important, and that is that, like, he's telling these really fucked up stories and is refusing to take any kind of ownership of the idea that they're fucked up.
		He's just, I don't know.
		It's insane.
		And it's also insane to hear this clip after he, like, two clips prior, I believe, he said, I'm brain damaged.
		There's no doubt about it.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		When the kid dropped you on your head, what effect did it have on you physically?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		It was by the field house because his cousin attacked me and I beat him up.
		And so the state wrestling champ, who's like a senior, comes and goes, oh, yeah.
		And he slammed around.
		And he caught up when I had was bleeding like he'd won.
		And I punched him in the neck and broke his, and then the trick he got him, he almost died.
		I was like, yeah, he almost killed me.
		He's like, he couldn't, like, he slammed me in the ground.
		My head's bleeding.
		All these stitches right here.
		And then he couldn't believe when I got up and said, well, you die.
		He couldn't understand the energetic equivalence.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		He couldn't understand being the nail.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		You don't understand being the hammer.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		He didn't understand that.
		And then they took me to jail, but they let me go.
		I'm not some tough guy.
		The point is, I'm going to go get a lump of fight back.
		And so Dallas was.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So what happened to your head after that?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I lost it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Nah.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I never even got knocked out in that one.
		He slammed my head in the ground.
		And I remember everybody made the joke because the concrete cracked.
		Oh, Jim was like on the edge of the concrete.
		He pile dropped me right into the concrete.
		I'm like, split my head way open.
		This is her story.
		And I remember just getting up.
		It was like slow motion, pushing around the neck.
		And the ambulance is the police came.
		That was that story.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Did you go to the hospital?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		No, they took me to jail for that, but then they let me go.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They didn't check your head?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Did you tell them you got pile drunk?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		No, they sewed it up.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		They sewed it up in the jail.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		But they didn't check to see if you had a severe concussion or anything.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Some dermal hematoma, no?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's fucked up.
		I mean, I don't know if any of that's true, but that's fucked up.
		What he's presenting is super fucked up.
		I don't believe the concrete broke.
		I don't believe his head was split open, any of that stuff, because the force that would be required for either of those things to happen would probably kill him from that maneuver.
		You know, it's just hero story embellishing.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But he's presenting a story where he didn't go to the hospital.
		They didn't check him for a concussion.
		He just went to jail.
		They sewed him up and then let him go.
		If that is the reality, this is a huge turning point in his life.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, even if he's broken.
		Even in the 80s, which is around when this would be happening, even then, you would still at least go to the hospital if you were bleeding profusely and required stitches.
		So the story being that he went straight to jail, it suggests otherwise.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It kind of does.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It kind of suggests that he's making up a little bit of this whole, it was entirely self-defense thing.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I mean, maybe.
		Who knows?
		Who knows?
		It's impossible to parse the.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		No, of course.
		I don't know.
		It's not a board.
		Who gives a fuck?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So Alex.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Fuck him.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He's telling these stories, and there's a lot of this hero story nonsense.
		And earlier, we heard him talk about this 17-year-old he was fucking around with when he was much younger who choked him out.
		And that was the first time he got choked out.
		But it turns out him and his friends used to choke each other out for fun quite a bit.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I did that, though.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I've heard this from a lot of people.
		This was not part of my childhood, but I've heard it a number of times.
		This clip is so fucked up because he's talking about it, and then he fakes crying, talking about the memories of being choked out by his friends for fun.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Didn't you say that when your friends would choke you out, you'd have these long dreams?
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, no, no, no.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I remember being in junior high, sixth, seventh, eighth grade, because when I got choked out a couple of times, I finally stopped.
		They'd always be like, guys, like, it's incredible.
		We do this during lunch, and we go back, and like, someone would press on their arteries, like, the bad dog would hit your head, but it'd be like, one time, like, I remember this one time.
		They choked me out, and all of a sudden it was like a black knight with a sword goes and like attacks me on this horse.
		And then, like, it went, and then I was like, in England, thousands of years ago, and I had this wife, these kids, and it was a whole lifetime, like, taking care of them and, like, growing food.
		And, like, a kid starved to death and died.
		And it was like just those moments were like whole lives, dead kids, everything.
		That's what I'm saying.
		Like, you dial into all those ancestors, and it was like my kids and kids starving to death and like people attacking us.
joe rogan ▲ ● ▼		So you think all that information from your ancestors somehow or another encoded somewhere in the world?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Definitely encoded Joe.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's so fucked up.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I mean, here's what I will say.
unidentified		I'd love to hear what you'll say.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So this wasn't a thing.
		Like, when I was working at God Camp, I was around 15 or so, and it was God camp.
		So I was there for a full month or whatever, and I was living in these little cabin bullshits with other people around my age, some of whom brought this whole thing up.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The choking out thing?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		The choking out thing.
		And I remember doing it, and one time I do remember this feeling of like I woke up and I felt like I had lived an entire different lifetime.
		Like I remember there being a different thing or whatever it was.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Not going to cry about it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I've heard that from people before.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like whether it's like some specific hallucination that you have or waking up from being choked out with like a euphoric state.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I've heard that from people who are into like SNM and like that sort of play within sexuality.
		There is something like a lot of people do like to get choked out.
		There is a pleasurable experience in a controlled environment that people can have.
		And I'm not going to judge that.
		I am going to judge Alex being ostensibly a political commentator.
		At least that's how he presents himself.
		Coming on Joe Rogan's show now in hour five or so of the show pretending that like there's some sort of Esoteric spiritual truth to him and his buddies choking each other out, and then him having a vision of his children starving to death and living as a farmer.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's like in fake crying.
		It's just, it's insane.
		Like, I don't, I, I understand Joe not wanting to rock the boat.
		But, like, his response being, like, you really think that people are, you know, like your ancestor, that's your answers.
		And Alex being like, you bet it is.
		Like, there's so many points when you should hit the eject button of this.
		Like, I'm sitting across the table with a lunatic.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I thought that we had a friendship.
		He said he was going to politically hang me up like a pig and slit my throat.
		Right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Which I don't know how you could politically do that to Joe Ray.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Politically.
		But we made peace with this long conversation on the phone that we had.
		He pretended to apologize for Sandy Hook.
		I didn't realize he was lying to me through most of that.
		We've had a very weird conversation that has gone a bunch of places.
		Now he's high and he's telling me about all this brain trauma that he fucking had from when he was younger.
		Now he's talking about how everyone used to choke him out and he loved it and it connected him with his ancestors.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't fucking like I would just be like, I wish there was an opportunity for him to like actually have, I wouldn't say backbone.
		That's not right.
		Because Joe is a, he's a, you know, he has backbone.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		If he wanted to, he could have pushed back against Alex exactly how he should have.
unidentified		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like, it's not that he's a coward or anything like that.
		I'm not saying that.
		He doesn't have the wherewithal.
		He doesn't have the presence or the motive to do that.
		And he should.
		Because what Alex is describing, if left unchecked, appears to be normal or heroic or funny.
		Any of those three things.
		Those are the three possibilities that you walk away from this with.
		What Alex is describing is a deeply, deeply fucked up situation.
		And you don't have to call it bad, but you don't have to allow it to be presented as normal, heroic, or it's just, it's not acceptable.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This is just not acceptable.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Nope.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So we have two more clips, and they are just Alex super high, drunk, and trying to talk politics a little bit because he recognizes that they want to end the show, and he has said he wanted to end the show two hours ago.
		But he also wants to keep it going because this is the only way he gets people to look at him.
		There's hundreds of thousands of people watching that he doesn't have access to otherwise.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		He needs it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And he wants to keep it going, which is why we've gotten to the point we've gotten to already.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But so he says these next things.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		This is like when you're doing a show, and after the headliner goes up, the host tries to do another 10.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Do another set.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That was, that's not.
		No.
		No.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You're holding people hostage.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And Alex is holding Eddie and Joe hostage to a certain extent because they're very polite.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Almost to their detriment.
		Actually, to their detriment.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I mean, they don't come off looking terrible.
		I know that Joe could have done better.
		And actually, I'll get to that at the end of the episode, but I have some very serious things I need to say about it.
		But before we get to that, Alex says some fucking dumb things about politics, or at least his political positions.
		The first one is about the LGBT community, trans people in particular.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		All right, he shouldn't be talking.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No.
		And this position, I think, is disgusting and probably one of the worst stances you could have, other than Alex's other stance that is all trans people are pedophiles.
		Which that the worst position, this slightly better, but way on the worst side.
		This is terrible.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Because I don't care if you're a trans or you're a dude who wants to be a woman.
		Literally, I'm a libertarian.
		Don't act like I'm trying to suppress you.
		But the Japanese said, hey, you don't get the trans education unless you chop the Johnson and the Wabos off.
		It's like, hey, you get taxpayers will pay for it.
		You get that vagina bill, and you sit there and do it.
		Leave.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So there's two problems with that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		One is that he seems to be.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		This two?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He seems to, well, I'm sure there are more, but two that I want to highlight.
		One is that he seems to think that trans women are the only people who exist.
		Because he only talks about these issues in terms of like chop your dick off.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Because that's the only way people are.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Because if you have a pussy, then I get it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		If you have a pussy, then we're in.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Who doesn't want to be a man?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We're all cool then, you know, like, because I understand it then.
		So that's fucked up.
		That is exclusionary and erasing the entire existence of trans men or people all over the gender spectrum that aren't exactly what he believes is what's being talked about.
		Second, I find this very repulsive.
		The idea that trans people need to get surgery in order to prove it.
		That they believe, you know, like whatever.
		Like, hey, if you don't get surgery, you don't mean it.
		Like, that kind of thing is exactly what Alex is describing as his positions.
		Like, if you're not willing to chop your dick off, then you don't mean it.
		And I don't, I'm very staunchly opposed to the idea of people setting whatever standard, quite frankly, of like proving your identity.
		You know, that idea of like, you are this.
		Great.
		I'm libertarian.
		I don't care.
		I'm not judging you.
		At the same time, I don't know.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		See, no.
		Oh, you couldn't.
		Hold on.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Hold on.
		There's a period at that.
		There's a period that could have been at that sentence.
		Semicolon.
		If you have to add the semicolon, then you're already wrong.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You're invalidating the first clause by including the second clause, which is you need to get surgery for me to validate your identity.
		It's fucking awful.
		It's a disgusting, cancerous position.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You can't say, I'm a libertarian.
		Don't think I'm oppressing you.
		And then say, the only way I will acknowledge you is if you do what I tell you is my belief.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And then he presents it as like, I believe the Japanese model.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm not sure that is the Japanese model.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Who cares other than trans people in Japan, who, if that is the Japanese model, they're getting fucked over.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		They're being oppressed.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
		Whatever the case is, I don't care.
		I don't like this.
		I don't like.
		He's just expressing something that is, I'm a libertarian.
		I believe this.
		Also, here's why I don't actually believe this and I don't care about freedom.
		So cool, man.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Cool.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Your bigotry shines through.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Even as you try and express, I'm not a bigot.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't care if you're white or black or whatever, but white people and Japanese people are smarter than everybody.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Fuck off.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Fuck you.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		God, it is such like, I would prefer it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I would genuinely prefer it if he just said, I think trans people are gross.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		They're weird.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I don't understand it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		They're weird.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm threatened by them because I love masculinity so much.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I can't imagine somebody voluntarily relinquishing masculinity as if that's even a fucking thing.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		My worldview is dependent on this sort of bi-system, this bifurcated system.
		And there's a power balance that is intrinsic within it based on classical norms.
		And anything that subverts that is fucking weird to me.
		You're really putting an authority system to it.
		And it's the only way my brain works.
		And I fucking don't.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		But men should dominate women.
		Well, some men actually identify as women, and they don't necessarily always need to get surgery in order to identify as women.
		They can present as women.
		That's still a totally valid thing, and it's something that everybody should respect and care about.
		That money's the goddamn waters.
		Who do I oppress?
		All trans people.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		True.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Fuck you.
		Because if you just said it was gross and weird, and I don't like it, then we can have a conversation.
		But if you hide behind it as though, well, see, there's a for me, there's a benchmark.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Fuck you.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's the reason that he jumps from A to B to C to D to E in conversation so much to disallow you to have a conversation about point A.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's the same sort of thing.
		He has to just make non-existent points in order for you to bull chasing the red flag that he's waving around.
		God, that's right.
		And so fucking if he were to just come out and say what he means, which is exactly what you're saying, which is the, I think this is gross.
		It threatens my worldview.
		I'm scared of this.
		I don't know what to do with it.
		Then you could.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Cool, let's talk.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, but then he's afraid.
		He's the matador about to get hit by the bull.
		And he knows it because his position sucks.
		He's the matador who hasn't trained or whatever.
		He's just a sitting duck.
		He knows that that position is bad.
		That's why he has to use the red cape of whatever dumb narratives he has.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's the thing that all of these people do when they're talking about the LGBTQ community.
		It is always this idea of like, if I were to say my real issue, which is that I'm grossed out and I don't understand it, then the conversation becomes, why?
		Why do you feel that way?
		And that is something that they can't handle because then they'd have to wrestle with, oh, it's not that they're having a problem.
		They're not having a problem.
		I am.
		And I, because of my problem, am making their lives worse.
		Once they have to deal with the why do you feel this way, it all falls apart.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think 50-50 on that.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Because I think on some emotional level, they recognize that what they would have to deal with with that why question is those entrenched power dynamics and those sorts of things that they're unwilling to unpack.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And so I think that the.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Why do you feel that way?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Because I have a privilege that is, oh, no, I had to admit that I'm privileged.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Unpacking that suitcase or whatever is something that they're unwilling or unable to do.
		And it does make good sense to never open that bag.
		If you can find some sort of a way to make sure that that is never the conversation, distract from, you know, so the why, they know why.
		They're distracting from having to talk about that with other things that are external.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Because if they admit the why, they would have to then confront the reality.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Or they'd have to give an answer.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And they'd have to accept that it's actually their problem.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's the same thing with Alex obfuscating this whole fucking time about this alien shit that he's talking about.
		And then finally press to it.
		He's like, do you know General Stubblebein?
		It's like, that's the unpacking of the suitcase.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's like that's what you don't.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's the conversation you don't want to have because now you have laid your cards on the table of that's why you believe this alien shit.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like, oh, no, we know Jebble Stubblebein.
		Don't, don't.
		Come on.
		Come on, guy.
		Come on, guy.
		Your argument's bad.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I know in high school, there was a kid who was just very gradually, all he did was he started signing his name on papers as, and that was the way she came out.
		And most people didn't even notice it.
		Most teachers didn't even notice it.
		But it's such a powerful thing for her to have just done that in a way that is not, it's just, it's just amazing.
		I would never, I would never have had that courage.
		That's incredible.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, because it welcomes so much horrible things into your life.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The possibilities of the bullying and whatever people will do.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		She took control of her identity in a way that is more powerful than anything I could hope to do.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Like it's incredible.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And Alex diminishes all of that with his stupid bullshit arguments.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So he can go fuck himself.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And whatever.
		Now, not whatever.
		I didn't mean that to be dismissive.
		But in this next clip, Alex now brings it into the conversation of race stuff, which we've already heard.
		He loves Korean food, which is great.
		But this, I think, is one of the crassest things I've ever heard.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		I don't judge things by money.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Black people, because that was really a big story at the time.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Stop now.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		When I came out, because I'd seen the footage I was watching live and saw him take her head off the black lady.
		I said, it's a black lady.
		And what the hell?
		This woman was like, they were like, oh, my God, he cares about black people.
		Yeah, man, I care about whatever the color they are.
		What was that moment?
		And they're like, oh, just bought product.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I feel like I should give you context, but also allow you to live in that gross space where he's like, oh, my God, he likes black people, and they all bought product.
		That's how his brain works.
		That's what he's expressing here.
		And he started that clip by saying, I don't go off of money.
		And then the end result of it is they all bought product, which isn't it awesome that I show some sort of compassion towards a black and all of a sudden black people buy products from me?
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Weird.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So what he's talking about is that woman who drove her car into a barricade at the White House and she was shot and had a kid in the car.
		And it is a fucked up situation, but it wouldn't have happened if she hadn't driven her car into the barricade.
		I don't know all the details of that situation, but I do think it's super fucked up that Alex is bringing that up as evidence that he cares about black people based on all the other stuff we know about him and what he thinks about.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Let's bring the one black woman that Trump hired to a fucking Cohen hero.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Great.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You did it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		You solved fucking racism.
		You racist pile of fucking garbage.
		How goddamn dare you say that?
		Look, we all knew it.
		We all knew it.
		That the reason was purely money motivated.
		But goddamn it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And I think that that's one of the reasons why I decided to end on this clip.
		Because that's not the end of the episode.
		There's another good five, seven minutes or so where they're just like, how do we end this?
		Or whatever.
		Who needs to listen to that?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Click, whatever.
unidentified		Click.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Enjoy it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Press stop record.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Go listen to his five-hour episode if you want to hear the actual end.
		That's the end to me.
		When Alex is saying, like, it's crazy.
		I just.
		I made a conspiracy about this black person who was the victim of something, and then bada bing, black people bought my shit.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Let's refer you back to the clip that no living black person has ever experienced as much racism as Alex has experienced from black people.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I believe he also has said that he's the new Martin Luther King at various points in his career.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So we come to the end of this, and like, I don't, first of all, we're four and a half hours into the episode.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So, hey, everyone who has complained about our short episodes, go suck a lemon.
		But second, I didn't want it, but I do take those.
		I take that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I know, I know you do.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Because I feel like we always go too long and then we get complaints.
		It's too short.
		I don't know.
		Anyway, my point is, I didn't want to do this episode, but now at the end of it, I'm glad we did because we had a lot of fun with various things.
		But I don't think that this was good.
		And I don't think more attention should be drawn to it.
		And I do recognize the sort of hypocrisy of it to a certain extent that we're doing an episode about it while saying no one should pay attention to this.
		Well, I mean, it's a hard line for us to walk.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		The very concept of our show is we cover Alex Jones, which by necessity means we have to bring attention to Alex Jones.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		So when Alex Jones does a stunt in order to get attention, we have a certain responsibility to cover it while at the same time we recognize that we are, in a way, participating in the very thing that he desires.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I guess it's less an issue of like you shouldn't cover him, period.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		It's more you should cover him in appropriate context and dealing with what he's saying as what he means, as opposed to what he wants you to cover.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And I hope we do.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I hope we do.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think we do.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I believe we do.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I have some questions about this episode, if only because of that pro-wrestling vagueness of like, I don't fucking know what he's lying about here.
		I don't know how much of this is blustery bullshit.
		So there is a part where we're taking, there's a little bit of faith on our end of like, should we care that he's talking about basically being statutorily raped by abusive women repeatedly?
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Should we care about that?
		I mean, I think we should.
		He's saying it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But is it a lie?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Is it a machismo-related lie?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I don't fucking know.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We deal with him by whatever he's presenting, and you do the best you can.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Unlike Alex with Steve Pieczenik, we do not trust blindly our source of Alex Jones.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		True.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And then I think the bigger issue is the conversation about Alex is kind of moot to some extent because we know him from his works for years.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		This is just Alex really fucked up on a show that he knows gets way more traction than he does.
		And he's trying to appeal to Joe's audience for the most part.
		Like all this alien dumb bullshit, Nazis talking to aliens and meetings.
		I know it from my dad who did Teeth cyborgs and all that shit.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		DDS David.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		All that stuff.
		You get where his angle is coming from.
		I'm disappointed in Rogan to a very serious degree.
		I understand why he did what he did.
		He presents it as coming from a human perspective of like, I love you.
		You're my friend.
		Yeah.
		I want to give you a fair reading.
		And I recognize that you only lashed out at me because we weren't in communication and you felt like you were on the outside and I was like, you know, rejecting you or something like that.
		I think that that's a dishonest portrait of what Alex did to him.
		I think that I think on one level, he is being way too accepting and embracing of Alex's behavior, which falls under that heading of enabling.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like Alex lashed out at him in a way that, if not planned, like I don't think that they planned it together because that would be too much.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		They definitely didn't plan it together.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Alex planned it.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It was artificial.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		For sure.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But Joe's response to it, if not planned, is the worst thing you could do in these circumstances.
		It is allowing Alex to behave the way he did in the lead-up to this with the stunt aspect of it.
		Like, I'm going to hang you up like a stuck pig, slit your throat politically, all this shit.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like, all that nonsense.
		Like, he allows him to behave that way, no consequences.
		And then Alex gets exactly what he wants, which is he steamrolls five hours with Joe's audience.
		And Joe's audience will think this is one of the most epic episodes ever.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Because Alex is talking about the Nazis having access to space stuff.
		They have contracts with aliens.
		Alex can't back any of that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Alex's grandfather is a Nazi.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He was in with Werner von Braun.
		He can't back any of this stuff up.
		It's not things he talks about normally, at least not in more vague language, possibly.
		But this is him posturing.
		Joe has allowed him essentially to come in and wreck shop.
		He has just allowed him to come in and be like, I'm not the guy you think I am.
		I'm fucking weird.
		Aren't you interested in how weird I am?
		He's poached his audience.
		Not all of them, but he's poached enough of them that it'll probably give him the blood infusion that he needs with his inability to get new people in.
		He's taken the dumb people who listen to Rogan, who don't know about Alex, and fed them into his marketing machine.
		He's given him the transfusion that he needs to keep things going for a little bit.
		And that, I think, is a pathetic act.
		I think Rogan, whether his intentions are pure or not, he got played.
		He got played by a pro.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		There's only this is boiling down to two realities.
		One, Rogan knows that Alex was playing him.
		Rogan gave him a picture of the game.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think he might not have wanted to accept it, but yes, I think he probably knew.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Either he knows that and he allowed it because he knew also that it was a thing that people would come to his show.
		So either it was crass on his part as well, or Rogan got fucking played.
		Like, there's no other option to look at this, either...
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I steer towards the latter.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I have to steer towards the latter.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I want to give Joe the benefit of the doubt.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's not what I'm operating off of.
		I'm operating off of how Joe behaved on the show.
		Like I said, there are clips that I didn't play where he's talking about how, like, this is the Alex I know and love.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like, I wanted people to see this version of Alex that's fun, and we're laughing.
		We're having a good time.
		That sort of thing.
		There is still.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		The version you're describing is a manipulative piece of shit.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think that he doesn't recognize that so many of the things that he thinks are funny about Alex are the tools that Alex uses to manipulate.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I wish he wasn't.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Like him talking a mile a minute and doing like jumping from A to B to C to D to E. Like all that stuff is a tool that Alex uses to manipulate people into thinking he knows what he's talking about.
		At the same time, Rogan hears that and he's like, this guy knows a ton of shit and he's funny.
		Like he just says shit that's funny.
		I don't, I think he's.
		I just think he's gullible fuck.
		And that tracks with all the other guests.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I know, I know.
		I know.
		That's what I'm.
		That's why I'm leaning towards the ladder as well.
unidentified		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It does seem like Joe is coming from a good faith position, and he doesn't realize that Alex is not actually his friend.
unidentified		Nope.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And he should have listened to me when I was Joe's dad and told him that people who lie to him to his face are not his friends.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		If only.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		If only.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And also, Eddie Bravo is dumb as shit, but still probably saved this episode.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		The hero.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		He probably saved his eyes.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I agree 100%.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		If it had gone longer with just Joe and Alex, it probably would have been a mess.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Getting him in there as a rogue variable really made this close to listenable.
		Anyway, I hate this.
		I hate this show.
		I like our show.
		But I hate this episode of his show.
		I think it's trash.
		I think Joe is wrong.
		Regardless of his intentions, could be great.
		Could be coming from a place of wanting to save a friendship.
		Whatever.
		I don't care.
		I think this is garbage, amateurish nonsense.
		He's allowing Alex to say all sorts of things that are indefensible on his show, and he has no idea why they're indefensible.
		And that's the problem.
		That's the problem.
		That's probably the problem with his entire show.
		He's like, hey, I just like to talk to interesting people.
		We have this fun time having these conversations.
		That's cool.
		You're infested with manipulators.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		You have people with an agenda who aren't having a conversation with you.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's the problem.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		They're having a conversation with your listeners and you're watching.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		You having a conversation with Duncan Trussell, Ari Shafir, Joey Diaz, Tom Segura.
		These people.
		You guys are just spitballing ideas about the news.
		Maybe you guys say some stuff that's pretty fucked up.
		Whatever.
		That is what you want the show to be.
		Then you introduce it to being like that same standard is held with people like Alex, people like Jordan Peterson, Mayo Yiannopoulos, Sam Harris.
		These people coming on, Dave Rubin, Candace Owens, these kinds of people who are propagandists, these people who have an agenda.
		They aren't there to have a good time and fuck around, and then whatever conversation happens, happens.
		They're there to push something, and they exploit your position of like, I am just a guy who likes to have fun talking with people.
unidentified		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And that is like, here's what I. Joe, if you're listening, go ahead and text me if somebody.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I'm in the phone under dad.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		If somebody should be your friend.
		And I will tell you, hard yes, hard no.
		Very simple.
		Alex shouldn't be your friend.
		Hard no.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		The problem is that his principle or whatever he thinks the show is is good.
		And it's a good idea.
		He has people in who are subverting his format in order to push something that he doesn't want to be associated with, but he becomes associated with.
		Now, the extent to which he's a willing participant in that or a victim of it, I don't care.
		I have no idea how much that is the case.
		Either way, the proof of the pudding is in the eating and the response.
		And the end effect is that negative messages get reinforced.
		Negative messages get perpetuated and go unchallenged.
		And that is what we've seen on this episode.
		And so I would like to end this by saying, Joe Rogan, get better.
		And Alex, get help.
unidentified		Or, Joe, come on, man.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And Alex?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's kind of what I'm saying.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Alex, hope you die, bro.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Like, that's...
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I hope you don't have a heart attack by 55.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Kind of do.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I hope you have a heart attack by 45.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		So he's already 45.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's still time.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, this is a podcast.
		We have done it.
		This summer so long.
		We have a website.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		We do have a website.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's KnowledgeFight.com.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We also have Twitter.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It's at Knowledge underscore Fight.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We are on Facebook.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We are on Facebook.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		We have a group called Go Home and Tell Your Mother You're Brilliant.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Please join it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Also, we're on iTunes.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		We're on iTunes.
		We're on Overcast.
		We're on Dog the Bounty Hunter next week.
		Is that still a show?
unidentified		No.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, then we're not.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Everyone hates gun shows.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Then we are not on that show.
		But please download, leave a review, etc.
		Tell your friends, maybe.
		I don't know.
		This might be a terrible.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And I would also like to say, now that we're down to the plugs and everyone maybe turned it off.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Let's turn it off.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Ha ha, surprise people who listened.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Bonus.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		No, it's not a bonus.
		It's a qualification.
		Like, I get that.
		There will be some criticism of, like, hey, you didn't cover when Alex said this.
		Or whatever.
		I think I said this at the beginning of the show.
		I don't give a fuck.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We could not cover.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		All right.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We couldn't cover the entire five-hour episode without doing 10 hours.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I was going to say, we covered it.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		We covered the stuff that matters.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		We covered overall the clips probably less than an hour, would you say?
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		And we did about four and a half hours.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I would say that we covered the bulk of the actual show.
		Actually, I have it here.
		An hour worth of actual audio from the show.
		So one-fifth of the show.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		But then I would also welcome people to say, like, if you think we didn't cover something that you think is important, ask yourself, is it something we've covered on our show a bunch of times?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Right.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		That's a good question.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		If it's not, ask yourself a second question.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Does it matter?
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		If you're new to the show, start from the beginning.
unidentified		Yeah.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		And then good luck.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Start from the beginning and take two years to listen to it because if you mainline it, there is some trouble.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, don't do that.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		It could happen.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, we love you.
		I would say that Eddie Bravo is a chokeout specialist, but I don't think he's killed anybody.
		I think we would have known if Eddie Bravo had killed anybody.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I would hope we would know.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I think it would be in the news.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I would hope the authorities would know.
dan friesen ▲ ● ▼		I would say that Alex has described almost killing a guy in this episode in great detail.
		And that's not what I'm interested in because he has also technically probably actually killed somebody.
		Alex Jones, you're a murderer.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Thanks for holding.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified		I'm a huge fan.
jordan holmes ▲ ● ▼		I love your work.

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