Today, Dan and Jordan see how Alex Jones is doing in the new year. It turns out that his resolution was not "stop being really weird about Muslims." Beyond that, Alex has decided to hitch his wagon to a really dumb team of cyber criminals.
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| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your work. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Hey, everybody. | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
| I'm Jordan. | ||
| We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Indeed we are. | ||
| Dan! | ||
| Hi, Jordan. | ||
| Dan! | ||
| Yes, sir. | ||
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Lino! | |
| A lot of positive feedback on the Lionel theme song from last episode. | ||
| It's going to be in my head, too. | ||
| We might have peaked already in 2019 with the... | ||
| With my dying breath after all memories have gone, I will say, as my last words, Lionel! | ||
| Did not expect that sort of response from people, but I appreciate it. | ||
| Everyone loved it. | ||
| You know what amazed me is I hadn't already heard that song, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, it seems like that would have gone viral 20 years ago. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Not 20 years ago. | ||
| Not with Lionel behind it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| No, no, that's what I'm saying. | ||
| Like, five years ago, some Twitter, somebody would have, like, picked up on it and it would have just spread like fire. | ||
| To be fair, I have no evidence it hasn't in some corner of the internet, but who knows? | ||
| Fair point. | ||
| It has in our corner. | ||
| Yes, certainly. | ||
| It is now our marching theme, I guess. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| But this is a podcast where I know a lot about Alex Jones and his associates' theme songs. | ||
| And I only know what you tell me and sing them till I die. | ||
| So, Jordan, today we've got an interesting episode to go over. | ||
| We have a modern-day adventure here. | ||
| We're going to be going over January 2nd, 2019. | ||
| All right. | ||
| It's time for the secret of 2019. | ||
| I believe Alex does tell a secret at the end of this episode. | ||
| Might plague his year. | ||
| But we'll get to that when we get to it. | ||
| Last we checked in on the present day, we covered Christmas Eve. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And we found Alex talking shit, saying that he told Roger Stone to get in touch with Julian Assange and then drunkenly throwing a hatchet around his studio. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Singing Christmas songs. | ||
| That's the energy he ended 2018 on, kind of. | ||
| And now we'll see where he's at at the beginning of 2019. | ||
| But before we get to that, I'd like to take a moment to thank some folks who've signed up with the show and become policy wonks. | ||
| Hey! | ||
| So first of all, I'd like to say Matthew, thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you, Matthew. | ||
| Thank you very much, Matthew. | ||
| Second, I'd like to say thank you to Sven. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you, Sven. | ||
| Thank you very much, Sven. | ||
| Next, I'd like to say thank you to Paul. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you, Paul. | ||
| Thanks, Paul. | ||
| Now, Patrick, thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you, Patrick. | ||
| Thank you very much, Patrick. | ||
| Next. | ||
| Courtney, thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you, Courtney. | ||
| Thank you very much, Courtney. | ||
| Finally. | ||
| What's up? | ||
| I was just wondering how many... | ||
| I kind of want us to... | ||
| Suddenly, this entire episode is us just catching up with all the wonks. | ||
| We have a backlog, and I feel bad we need to get through some of it. | ||
| And I know everyone's itching for the longer drop. | ||
| I understand it's sort of tradition, but sometimes we need to make our way through these people who we appreciate very much who donate on the standard level. | ||
| Of course! | ||
| I'm sorry you don't get to hear Alex say he doesn't want to hate black people. | ||
| I'm sorry we don't get to hear him say that he renounces Jesus Christ. | ||
| Preemptive defensiveness. | ||
| That's the way it goes sometimes. | ||
| And so finally, I'd like to say thank you to Anjanette. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| I hope Sven is from Sweden, and then we got Sonja and Sven, and we can get them together. | ||
| Hey, now, don't ship our listeners. | ||
| But listen. | ||
| I've gotten actually a number of messages from other people from Sweden. | ||
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Oh, okay, good. | |
| So I know that even if Sven is an American or from some other country, we don't need him to be Swedish to enlarge our Swedish contingency. | ||
| We're big in Sweden. | ||
| I don't know what that means. | ||
| To enlarge our Swedish contingency? | ||
| We need to grow our Swedish ranks. | ||
| All right, Sven, Sonja, get on making babies. | ||
| We need to grow our Swedish consistency. | ||
| Hey, now, stop it. | ||
| Stop trying to fantasy book the private lives of our listeners. | ||
| All right, all right. | ||
| Also, if you are from Sweden, I'd like to know about Swedish fish. | ||
| Are they really Swedish? | ||
| Also... | ||
| You can just Google that. | ||
| I don't want to. | ||
| If you... | ||
| If you'd like to support the show and what we do and become a policy wonk, you can go to our website, knowledgefight.com, click that support the show button. | ||
| It's all great. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Some people may think that $2 a month or something like that isn't really a big deal, but it is. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| It feels like not a big deal a lot of the time for people who are the people donating that, because maybe it's not a big deal for them. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But when there are a lot of people come together and donate a little bit, it makes a massive difference, and we appreciate it so much. | ||
| It's huge. | ||
| I can live. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| As we were talking about before the show, you have an introductory entry-level job now. | ||
| And you only put in 70 to 80 hours of work. | ||
| Yeah, the hours are still a bit of a mess, but we're close to a basic entry-level salary. | ||
| So that's kind of nice, and it's mind-blowing. | ||
| I appreciate it. | ||
| Thank you all so very much. | ||
| So, Jordan, today, this episode is fucked up, goes all over the place, but here is an out-of-context drop from today's show. | ||
| Let's just get down to business. | ||
| We ain't making that money off that heroin. | ||
| What? | ||
| Do you want to? | ||
| I think he does. | ||
| Is that saying we need to get into the InfoWars heroin game? | ||
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We need to start selling H. That would be a harsh turn for his pill business to take. | |
| Not too dissimilar, probably. | ||
| So today is, like I said, January 2nd, 2009. | ||
| That's the Wednesday episode. | ||
| Oh, sorry, yeah. | ||
| I'm stuck back in our investigation. | ||
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I keep writing 2009 on my jokes. | |
| I'm close to that, just because of how much time I spent listening to his shit from 2009. | ||
| But, I listened to the first, because I thought, like, let's get this... | ||
| Real New Year's energy going. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| And it is a boring Bullshit deconstruction of how afraid he is of China and of the 5G wireless technology. | ||
| We just did an episode where I went line by line taking apart his ideas about the FEMA camps. | ||
| I'm like, I want to do that about this 5G stuff, but I know he's going to do it again and we can do it then. | ||
| I'm too tired. | ||
| We got time. | ||
| I don't want to exhaust the listeners, too. | ||
| We get it. | ||
| Huawei. | ||
| I understand. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I checked in on the second, and I found a more interesting Alex, who's jumping all over the place, hitting a lot of topics. | ||
| And here's where we're going to start, and it's about how Muslims out of control. | ||
| My friends, it is January 2nd, 2019. | ||
| 2019. | ||
| I'm your host, Alex Jones. | ||
| We'll be here for the next four hours. | ||
| Paul Joseph Watson with big breaking news joins us at the bottom of the hour. | ||
| Massive Islamic stabbings, shootings, bombings, firework attacks, rapes all over Europe celebrating the new year by burning down hundreds of cars per city. | ||
| It has been quite the Islamic uprising that is just done as an exercise of dominance over the slaves. | ||
| And so that is going to be coming up. | ||
| The slaves, if you're missing out on the context, the slaves are white people. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| If you're missing the message he's trying to send, the slaves are the whites. | ||
| I gotcha. | ||
| The patriots. | ||
| The nationalists. | ||
| The people of the West. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So this is crazy, and I already really need to tell him to hold the brakes for a little bit. | ||
| Oh, yeah? | ||
| Because Alex is starting the year claiming that Muslims are terrorizing everyone, but there's a few things that he's intentionally forgetting to cover. | ||
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What's that? | |
| Whether it's in his introduction or for the rest of the show. | ||
| The rise of white nationalist violence? | ||
| Well, for one, in Germany, a 50-year-old man was arrested after he drove his car through a group of immigrants shortly after midnight on New Year's in what is strongly suspected to be a far-right anti-immigrant attack. | ||
| Included in the list of those injured by his attack were a four-year-old boy and a ten-year-old girl. | ||
| Though the man was of Turkish descent, he was a German citizen, and he was quoted as making several racist comments while being arrested. | ||
| From an article in The Independent, The man had a clear intention to kill foreigners. | ||
| Interior Minister for the state, North Rhine-Westphalia, Herbert Rell, told German press agency DPA. | ||
| That was a clear act of racism and xenophobia. | ||
| But there was another car attack on New Year's Eve. | ||
| This one in Tokyo. | ||
| 21-year-old Katsuhiro Kasakabe drove his car through the narrow street leading to... | ||
| I fucking forgot to write down the name of the shrine. | ||
| It's one of those really important shrines in Tokyo. | ||
| There are a lot! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He injured nine people. | ||
| This was an act of terrorism, but it wasn't Muslim, so Alex is not too concerned about it. | ||
| Kusakabe declared that he had committed this act to protest the death penalty, and he refused to even defend his actions, essentially admitting that he knew he had done something horribly wrong in the name of protesting something he thought was way worse. | ||
| That's kind of interesting. | ||
| It's a little bit interesting. | ||
| I mean, it's kind of ironic. | ||
| It merits covering. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| When you're going to go on this long jag about car attacks and Muslims stabbing people and stuff like that, it seems like this might be something relevant to fold into the conversation. | ||
| Whether it be this German guy who went on an attack specifically trying to kill immigrants, or if it's this guy who's protesting the death penalty in Japan. | ||
| Except the problem is that he wasn't a political terrorist protesting the death penalty in general. | ||
| He was protesting the death penalty as it was specifically applied to members of the Awam cult who were executed in July for their actions on March 20th, 1995. | ||
| They were a doomsday cult who believed that they were the only people who were going to an impending global war. | ||
| Oh, I remember that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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And they were going to build a utopia called Shambhala after everybody else was killed by each other. | |
| But they weren't this kind of like let's wait and let the war happen kind of cult. | ||
| They were a let's also go kill people and see if we can help this war start kind of cult. | ||
| In 1990, they fielded a number of candidates for office but lost, which led them to blame a conspiracy by the Freemasons and Jews for their failure. | ||
| In response, they began trying to harvest botulism toxin in order to prepare a chemical attack, which they intended to unleash on U.S. Army bases in Japan to trigger a war between Japan and the United States. | ||
| This was unsuccessful because they did a really shitty job of harvesting the botulism. | ||
| Their leader, Shoku Ashahara, was in a state of disorientation, or deterioration at this point. | ||
| He began to make his doomsday prophecies more specific, and he published a book called Declaring Myself the Christ. | ||
| Interestingly, he began to outline who exactly the enemy was, and though he'd previously listed Freemasons and Jews, now he was warning of a conspiracy between those groups and the Dutch and British royal families, which sounds weirdly familiar to me. | ||
| I don't know why. | ||
| I can't think of why, but it seems... | ||
| I feel like we've touched on this at least once, maybe once. | ||
| You know, this is a racist thought that I'm having. | ||
| I feel like you can't be anti-Semitic if you're Japanese. | ||
| I feel like that's not allowed. | ||
| I feel like you are... | ||
| You're on the wrong side of this. | ||
| I don't like that thought. | ||
| I know! | ||
| It's a weirdly racist thought. | ||
| They attempted a number of chemical and biological attacks in the intervening years, two of which were with anthrax. | ||
| Luckily, the strains of anthrax they acquired were not ones that hurt people, so it was more or less the equivalent of stink bombs. | ||
| They were responsible for at least 10 confirmed chemical weapons attacks between late 1993 and May 1995, but the one that got them in the most trouble was the one on March 20, 1995. | ||
| At the peak of morning rush hour, five members of the cult released sarin gas in the Tokyo subways, killing 12 people and severely injuring 50 more, some of whom died later due to complications from the attack. | ||
| Surveys of the survivors found that many of them still suffer from PTSD and 20% feel unsafe on public transit. | ||
| 47 survivors have been certified as disabled due to the attack. | ||
| The reason I lay all this out is because there's a bigger world out there that Alex wants no part in touching. | ||
| The attack in Germany was clearly an anti-immigrant attack that falls directly in line with Alex's rhetoric. | ||
| The attack in Japan was carried out by a young man who was protesting the death sentences of members of a doomsday cult that carried many of the same beliefs and enemies as Alex does. | ||
| He can't wrestle with these ideas without pointing out substantial problems with his own message and how he chooses to deliver it. | ||
| So instead, he aggressively stirs up hatred and fear of the vague Muslim attacks he sees happening everywhere. | ||
| It's very sad. | ||
| That is fascinating, though. | ||
| And I realize I'm way wrong, because in the 60s... | ||
| Yukio Mishma, the incredible novelist, he led a cult to the prime minister's house broken with samurai swords and tried to install the emperor back as supreme leader in order to get rid of all of the foreigners who would ever come to Japan. | ||
| So yeah, fair enough. | ||
| This is kind of a... | ||
| Later version of that? | ||
| I guess to some extent, yeah. | ||
| So, I mean, my point here is that Alex is going to spend a good amount of time trying to stir up fear about Muslims throwing fireworks and stuff like that, when in reality, on New Year's Eve, we have a lot more to talk about if you want to look at other events that have happened around the world that maybe are as important, more important, I don't know. | ||
| I'm just saying, you're not looking at the big picture, Alex. | ||
| You're looking at your narrative. | ||
| Your editorial position is anti-Muslim, and therefore the only stories that you see fit to cover are these ones that you can integrate into that editorial position. | ||
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Right. | |
| And I think it's lame, and when I first heard that, I was like, well, at least I'll get to, you know, learn a little bit more about this Japanese car attack and tell people about it. | ||
| Not cool, but you know. | ||
| I was like, this is probably going to be a pretty disappointing episode. | ||
| I kind of see where we're going. | ||
| And he didn't disappoint as he starts to talk a little bit more about events in the new year. | ||
| We also have the good news. | ||
| We have the new Brazilian president finally being sworn in. | ||
| That's not good news! | ||
| Already making good on many of his promises out of the gates. | ||
| That's not good news! | ||
| Linking up with Trump and Putin and others that they will not allow in public schools. | ||
| The pedophile agenda of sexualizing children, that they're putting in place their own Second Amendment, and doing a lot of other really exciting things like pulling out of the global carbon tax. | ||
| Whoopty shit. | ||
| The idea of getting their own Second Amendment and stuff like that, that's just concessions to arms industries. | ||
| Stuff like that. | ||
| Ones that are not centered in Brazil, to be very clear. | ||
| No, but do have links to Bolsonaro. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| So, if I played Alex's game, I might just refer someone to this NBC News headline. | ||
| Quote, Brazil's Bolsonaro targets minorities on first day in office. | ||
| But even that isn't enough to tell the full story. | ||
| J.R. Bolsonaro is a bit of a fascist monster. | ||
| No! | ||
| And as he took office, he showed that to the world, and anyone paying attention should be incredibly worried. | ||
| Because Bolsonaro is very close with the oligarchs in the agribusiness world, who are strongly against the idea of protecting land for indigenous populations, he transferred the responsibilities involving delineating what lands are protected from the Justice Ministry to the Agriculture Ministry, headed by someone who has a clear track record of opposing native communities' arguments on the subject. | ||
| Instead of protecting these places, Bolsonaro is moving forward with a program that is in the interest of enriching the agribusiness people while forcefully integrating the indigenous quilombolas and the native Brazilians into his version of Brazilian society. | ||
| If this were being done to, I don't know, the Amish, Alex would absolutely flip out. | ||
| And I don't need to just predict that he would. | ||
| I've heard him constantly go on about how FDA regulations on Amish sold cheese. | ||
| Or an attack on their sovereignty. | ||
| This is also a direct, you know, all this stuff is also a direct attack on environmentalism, but regardless of who's getting hurt, it's being done to help big business, and will likely lead to the genocide of uncontacted tribes in the Amazon. | ||
| Yeah, isn't that, so many of them are literally uncontacted. | ||
| There are a bunch. | ||
| Like, we're not supposed, like, we have a rule of, like, don't fuck with these people, like the one asshole who got shot with arrows. | ||
| Like, I'm not gonna say murdered, like, fuck you. | ||
| Like, that's... | ||
| That's on you, man. | ||
| That was a stand your ground situation. | ||
| As the right would like to call it. | ||
| But, like, even beyond all that, Bolsonaro also removed the LGBT community from the list of concerns and responsibilities of the Human Rights Ministry, a sign of really bad things to come. | ||
| The new Human Rights Minister is an evangelical preacher named Damaris Alves, who believes, quote, the Brazilian family is being threatened by diversity policies. | ||
| Oh my fucking God, I hate these people! | ||
| Crackdowns on journalists are happening, and there's so much more here that is critically dangerous. | ||
| We're going to watch... | ||
| We're going to watch the human rights disaster play out right in front of our eyes. | ||
| And Alex is going to delight in it because behind the human suffering and terror, the stock market went up in Brazil when Bolsonaro came in. | ||
| The wildly popular opponent Bolsonaro had jailed was a socialist. | ||
| And Bolsonaro and Trump seem like friends. | ||
| And those three things are really all Alex needs in order to be like, ah, this guy's great. | ||
| Because Alex, much like Jair Bolsonaro, is a monster. | ||
| These people are terrible people. | ||
| This is a really, really, really important track for Brazil to take because just, just, what, four years ago, the right-wing... | ||
| Installed Tamer, who is a right-wing lunatic, who is barred from fucking running for the office that he was given. | ||
| The Supreme Court that they have in Brazil is insanely hard-right, and after all of that, they elected a fucking out-and-out fascist. | ||
| This took four years. | ||
| So, in case anybody was worried that America is never going to descend into fascism... | ||
| Let's pump the brakes there. | ||
| All of this supported by the oligarchs who control most of the fucking media. | ||
| And make no mistake, supported by us. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| There's U.S. backing involved, too. | ||
| It's all a complete mess. | ||
| It is indicative of things you need to look out for, things to keep an eye on, because it's going to get worse, and there's going to be humanitarian organizations that need support in order to mitigate the damage. | ||
| that's going to be caused to these communities, whether it be the LGBT folk in Brazil, whether it be these indigenous communities that he's seeking to basically destroy by way of claiming that they should integrate into society. | ||
| Yep. | ||
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Like, all that stuff. | |
| It's all... | ||
| Well, we've never seen a... | ||
| Group of people claim that natives need to assimilate into society, leading ultimately to a massive genocide of them. | ||
| No. | ||
| That's crazy, man! | ||
| We don't have tons of case studies. | ||
| Where would we have interest? | ||
| Fuck! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, Alex is not off to a great start. | ||
| I feel like he's revealing himself to not be a good... | ||
| Analyst of the news. | ||
| Not a good compiler of the news. | ||
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Nope. | |
| Just pretty bad at this. | ||
| Just a fascist. | ||
| And now in this next clip he has some complaints about South Park, I think. | ||
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Sure. | |
| And then he teases some big news. | ||
| South Park's some pretty good comedy when they get down to brass tacks and they would tackle anything. | ||
| You know, they weren't scared of the Scientologists, you name it. | ||
| But boy, have they been doing stuff on the modern political correctness? | ||
| A little bit, but... | ||
| I think they had multiple seasons dedicated to it. | ||
| Yes, entirely. | ||
| They really should be tackling it more, but there's all of this intimidation. | ||
| Now, when we come back, I've got something really big. | ||
| Something really, really big that I'm going to tell you about. | ||
| Oh, and it's ominous. | ||
| Storm clouds. | ||
| We'll break it down when we come back in just 60 seconds. | ||
| I'm Alex Jones. | ||
| Newswars.com. | ||
| Tomorrow's news today. | ||
| So, that is ominous as hell. | ||
| Yeah, that's very ominous. | ||
| And I'm going to be a little bit like Alex and say I'm not going to tell you at all what he's talking about. | ||
| But I will say this. | ||
| He used the term storm intentionally because this is trying to appeal to QAnon folks. | ||
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Oh! | |
| Secondly... | ||
| I thought it was to appeal to Godspeed you Black Emperor fans. | ||
| No. | ||
| Nor X-Men fans. | ||
| No, okay. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| This... | ||
| Is going to culminate in Alex saying something that I do believe could have legal consequences. | ||
| I think that he might be... | ||
| This is on par with him telling on air that he told Roger to contact Assange. | ||
| Yeah, okay. | ||
| Alex is getting real sloppy. | ||
| Some of the stuff he ends up saying about this big story that he's got, I'm like, oh no, Alex. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
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I think he kind of wants to go to jail at this point, though, right? | |
| He wants to go to jail or he wants to die, because where he's at right now, all he's got left is martyrdom. | ||
| I think he wants to... | ||
| Get tried for something and win on free speech grounds. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Or something like that. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| I think he wants to insinuate himself deeply enough into something that's a huge crime, but fall back on like, I was just saying things. | ||
| I wasn't involved in it. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Or something like that. | ||
| I think he wants to do that so he can get caught up in the courts. | ||
| And, like, have his opportunity to grandstand and stuff like that. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| He knows the track he's on now leads to diminishing returns. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| And his show just falling apart. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know, though. | ||
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He's going to go broke. | |
| I don't know, though. | ||
| I think there is a chance that he really thinks... | ||
| Like, I'm not going to give too much away, but I think that what he's saying at the end of the show, he might actually believe is true. | ||
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Oh. | |
| It's not. | ||
| That's not good. | ||
| It's not. | ||
| But he might actually believe the stuff he's saying. | ||
| We'll get to it. | ||
| We can't get too into this without the actual content, so we'll get back to this in a minute. | ||
| But just hold those thoughts in your head. | ||
| So, around Christmas time, Donald Trump made his first visit to the troops, if you'll recall. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
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He just visited the troops in Iraq without telling anybody in Iraq. | |
| For security concerns or something. | ||
| You can't just... | ||
| No, that's bad. | ||
| That's bad. | ||
| You don't like it when people just don't call and show up at your house? | ||
| I don't like that, especially not if they're a president and I am a sovereign country. | ||
| It's weird. | ||
| There should be some diplomacy there, otherwise it's essentially saying, we own your country. | ||
| A little bit. | ||
| But that's not the concern that Alex wants to push back on, because there are a number of stories in the media about another problem with Trump's visit, and we'll get to those after Alex misunderstands those criticisms. | ||
| It is mind-blowing when I look at CNN or MSNBC or read the New York Times or any of it that it's total inversion of reality. | ||
| And so often, I don't even respond to it on air anymore because it's so brazen, it's so ridiculous, it's so insane. | ||
| We all remember, and you can pull up the photos, of Obama going into war zones and some of the troops coming up and wanting him to sign his autograph. | ||
| But the left spun it like it violated military code, and they were all going to go to jail, and people tried to find who the soldiers were and indeed get them in trouble. | ||
| I call it the chicken, S-H, you-know-what-T dimension. | ||
| That's a term I've coined. | ||
| How do you get so low that you're trying to figure out the names of Marines and Army soldiers? | ||
| Kind of sounds like stuff you and your guys do all the time. | ||
| But we have a way with words, the chicken, S-H, you-know-T dimension. | ||
| I mean, even if you say chicken shit dimension, that's still not a... | ||
| It still doesn't make any sense. | ||
| It's not a great gift of gab type, you know, like, I came up with that, fucking, I'm Gore Vidal in this bitch. | ||
| So do we all live in the chicken shit dimension? | ||
| You and I certainly do. | ||
| According to Alex, yes. | ||
| I'm glad they moved on from cuck. | ||
| That's nice. | ||
| It's good to know that they're going through the dictionary of C-words to try and be dicks about. | ||
| I think they just realized we have too much fun saying it. | ||
| A lot of people on the left kind of enjoy it. | ||
| It is kind of fun. | ||
| And soy boy didn't quite work out either. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because it's terrible? | ||
| Chicken shit dimension. | ||
| How's chicken shit dimension going to go? | ||
| So far it hasn't taken off. | ||
| It hasn't taken off? | ||
| It's not viral? | ||
| No, the concern here is specifically that when Trump went over and visited these troops, In Iraq. | ||
| His people put out pictures and video of him taking pictures with soldiers and that sort of thing. | ||
| And some of the soldiers who were captured in those pictures were members of, like, SEAL teams that you aren't supposed to know where they are. | ||
| Nah, come on. | ||
| You know where they are. | ||
| They're with the president. | ||
| Well, you're not supposed to know they're in Iraq. | ||
| Oh, that's probably bad, isn't it? | ||
| Their deployment is very secret in terms of where they are because they're very specialized teams and that sort of thing. | ||
| So the issue isn't so much with, like, he put out pictures of himself with troops. | ||
| No one really cares about that. | ||
| In the past, presidents would have listened to their advisors and been careful enough not to be on camera, or if you are... | ||
| Keep it private. | ||
| Keep it a private picture for that soldier. | ||
| Don't release pictures of people who are in secret teams that then give people awareness of their whereabouts. | ||
| Bullshit. | ||
| You remember whenever Obama leaked that picture with him and Hillary Clinton and they were in the Situation Room watching SEAL Team 6 kill Osama Bin Laden? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, they just revealed where SEAL Team 6 was, buddy. | ||
| In the situation room? | ||
| Yes, you got it. | ||
| That one picture shows you that it was SEAL Team 6. Remember that time Obama put out that video of him and Hillary peeing on Benghazi? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I remember him releasing that video of him peeing on the whaling wall. | ||
| That did not go over well. | ||
| This is all just shit. | ||
| Alex is intentionally misunderstanding why people were concerned about this. | ||
| And I don't know. | ||
| I'm not a military guy, so I don't really fully understand how big of an infraction this is. | ||
| But I read stuff on it enough to know that it is. | ||
| This is a breach of protocol for sure. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| But I don't understand why the people there didn't... | ||
| Stop him. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know who's to blame, but someone's to blame. | ||
| In terms of things about Trump, I don't really care about this one particularly. | ||
| And not because I don't think it could be severe, but because I don't fully understand it. | ||
| If I fully understood it, then I could talk about it more. | ||
| I just err on the side of defaulting to people who know what they're talking about. | ||
| Well, the simpler one is the first thing he started with. | ||
| A lot of soldiers were clamoring for Obama's autograph. | ||
| Totally fine. | ||
| However, campaign materials, not good. | ||
| See, that's a bad thing. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's against the rules. | ||
| It was gauche, though, of Obama to bring, like, Wheaties boxes with himself on them to autograph. | ||
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That's true. | |
| That's a little bit tacky. | ||
| He did have... | ||
| His rookie cards? | ||
| Fake rookie cards for him to sign? | ||
| Come on, man. | ||
| You didn't play pro ball. | ||
| Ah, come on. | ||
| That first coin? | ||
| Bullshit. | ||
| So, you know, that's not great. | ||
| But it's just Alex misrepresenting stuff. | ||
| It's still kind of like we're getting into the show. | ||
| He's still not coming with too much behind him. | ||
| And I don't want to denigrate the fantastic soldier. | ||
| Go fuck off. | ||
| I just wonder, Dan, those soldiers. | ||
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Were they more excited to get a picture with Trump or with Obama? | |
| I don't really care. | ||
| That's a zero to me. | ||
| I understand what you're saying, but I don't really care. | ||
| It's too much parsing. | ||
| You know, like, it's just... | ||
| And, like, there's too many superfluous issues. | ||
| I know, it's just... | ||
| You could go... | ||
| Not saying you, but one could go down the road of, like... | ||
| Well, who cares about protecting these people? | ||
| Sure, it's a specialized job, but it's to kill people. | ||
| Or something like that. | ||
| Yeah, but I just don't care. | ||
| I can't have that conversation. | ||
| My point is that it's really important that everybody be aware, and even the FBI released a report on this. | ||
| A large amount of military and police personnel are white nationalists out and out. | ||
| There is an overlap. | ||
| There's a big overlap. | ||
| That is true. | ||
| So, speaking of the military, which Alex was and we have since, he gets into complaining about Mitt Romney. | ||
| I'm fine with that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Go for it. | ||
| Let him fight. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| You guys have fun. | ||
| Mitt Romney had some words about Trump withdrawing from Afghanistan. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Lazy, shitty, ineffectual, stupid words to make him look like he's a valuable critic of the president while at the same time supporting literally every fucking thing he does. | ||
| Mitt Romney, you can go put your own fucking face on top of that shitty car instead of your dog. | ||
| Let him drive it, you fucking garbage human being. | ||
| Yes, it is ineffectual criticism, but Alex still is triggered by it because Daddy Trump is being criticized. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| And so he gets into talking about Afghanistan a little bit, and I think... | ||
| That he says some things that I take some strong issues with. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| China is already taking out up to $44 billion a year. | ||
| $44 billion a year, you can look it up, of resources out of Afghanistan. | ||
| Guess how much lithium. | ||
| For batteries. | ||
| Guess how much cadmium? | ||
| Guess how much of these hundreds of rare earth minerals that China controls 98% of globally because we don't enter that market. | ||
| So we basically stabilize the railways and stabilize the highways and stabilize it for the chai comms just like we always do. | ||
| That's globalism. | ||
| And Trump knows that. | ||
| The minute we pull out of there. | ||
| The Taliban and Al-Qaeda are going to start blowing the Chinese bases up. | ||
| They already are. | ||
| And that'll be their own problem. | ||
| Chinese bases? | ||
| But instead, we guard Afghanistan for the Chi-Coms. | ||
| That is weird. | ||
| That's a wild thing to say. | ||
| That is very weird. | ||
| Because I've heard him make a lot of criticisms of the Chi-Coms and our various wars. | ||
| I don't think I've heard him specifically be like... | ||
| We should get out of there because then the Taliban and Al-Qaeda are going to blow up Chinese stuff. | ||
| We're just there protecting the Chinese mineral interests or something like that. | ||
| I don't think I've ever heard him say stuff like that before. | ||
| I don't think I've heard anybody say stuff like that before. | ||
| Which is profoundly weird. | ||
| Also, I believe that the number is closer to 95% of the world's rare earth minerals are not controlled by China necessarily, but extracted by China. | ||
| They have a near monopoly on the industries that are capable of extracting rare earth minerals. | ||
| I did not know that. | ||
| In terms of what's in China and what they have control of, it's a much lower number than that. | ||
| It's a fine distinction, but yes, if they were to just stop... | ||
| The world would have a problem. | ||
| They would be bummed out. | ||
| Yes, it would be a problem. | ||
| But also, in terms of Afghanistan, it's never been a secret that Afghanistan is very mineral rich. | ||
| 50-year-old Soviet documents lay out gold and copper deposits, and in 2010, a more formal survey found that, all things considered, there's likely a trillion dollars worth of mineral resources in Afghanistan. | ||
| By 2014, Afghanistan had signed a 30-year, $3 billion contract with a Chinese state-owned mining company for their giant copper deposit that they have. | ||
| But it also awarded mining rights to their biggest iron deposits to Indian companies. | ||
| I can find no evidence of Alex's $44 billion a year number. | ||
| And honestly, considering that $1 trillion, that figure, that's not an annual figure. | ||
| And the fact that China isn't the only country in play when it comes to strip mining Afghanistan, I find it very unlikely. | ||
| That that number is accurate. | ||
| I just can't believe that that's true. | ||
| That being said, what's behind this shitty commentary is actually a very important geopolitical question, which is what is the right thing to do in terms of Afghanistan? | ||
| Obviously, as it stands now, since we can't rewrite the past, do nothing is a very bad answer, because what would happen is most likely that the terrorists wouldn't just start working to impede China's mining operation. | ||
| That's an absurd idea. | ||
| They kind of suggest that Alex thinks that the terrorists are on his side, which is hard to square with his constant rhetoric about how Obama and Hillary created all these terrorist groups, and they just do their bidding. | ||
| I thought Hillary and Obama were in bed with China, so why would their terrorist armies attack Chinese interests if we withdrew from the country? | ||
| It's all globalism up top for him. | ||
| It doesn't make sense. | ||
| The whole terrorist being created by them, that's in the past, Dan. | ||
| We don't need to worry about that. | ||
| I can change my position now because Obama and Hillary aren't there. | ||
| And also, you don't fucking... | ||
| Yeah, but that was a while back! | ||
| That was a week ago! | ||
| Yeah, but that's a long time ago for him! | ||
| It's crazy, because if his worldview is to be consistent, then... | ||
| Up top is the globalists, and they're controlling the chi-coms and Hillary and Obama and all these neocons and what have you who are controlling, puppet-mastering these terrorist groups. | ||
| So why would they have their tendrils attack each other? | ||
| It makes no sense. | ||
| Especially when the goal seems to be extracting minerals and making money off it. | ||
| You would understand if they fought against each other for the appearance of something. | ||
| But when it detracts from what is ostensibly... | ||
| The main goal. | ||
| Your conspiracy no longer makes sense. | ||
| Okay, so if I understand correctly, here's what his worldview says is going on. | ||
| That he does not see as contradicting itself. | ||
| The globalists control both the CHICOMs and, through Obama and Hillary, the terrorists. | ||
| Not just Obama and Hillary, but yes. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Alright, so Trump pulls out of Afghanistan. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Assuming that the terrorists will attack the CHICOMs, even though the terrorists are controlled by the globalists via proxy, and the CHICOMs are controlled by the globalists entirely. | ||
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| Would be? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Legitimately, the most likely outcome, if we were to withdraw and everything, is not so much that these terrorist groups would then... | ||
| Get China out of town or whatever. | ||
| But there is a decent chance that what they would do is start to take over some of these very lucrative mineral businesses. | ||
| If they were to be able to get footholds into industries or parts of the government, that sort of thing, in a very corrupt system, they could end up enriching their terrorist organizations much more and thereby become a huge threat to their neighbors. | ||
| That's the realistic outcome, unfortunately, of us withdrawing. | ||
| Now, granted, there were better plans that could have been put in place to begin with. | ||
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No. | |
| Like what? | ||
| There's a number of them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But what would make more sense for them is not to destroy the strip mining operations because they don't know how to strip mine. | ||
| Right. | ||
| They don't even have engineers. | ||
| Engineers don't usually become terrorists. | ||
| It would be continue trying to take over power and then take over the contracts with the Chinese operations. | ||
| And then you make money. | ||
| China has a very specifically non-moral foreign policy in terms of especially economic things. | ||
| They have a non-moral policy across the board. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But they are totally fine doing business with regimes that are... | ||
| Perhaps against even their morals. | ||
| Or morals of the world because there's... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Money's money, baby. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But what China's doing and what they've been doing is employing a strategy of soft power in Afghanistan. | ||
| They forgave the country's debts in 2004, and they're constantly working to ensure a relationship of friendship and cooperation. | ||
| Many experts have noted that their strategy includes a belief that should the country be lifted out of abject poverty, many of the problems that precipitate terrorism would cease to exist. | ||
| Whether or not their intentions are pure is a separate question. | ||
| But I think it's safe to say that bombing people indiscriminately and killing civilians isn't a great approach, and it's the one that we've been using for a really long time. | ||
| Of course, you have to worry about China's shitty human rights record and their oppressive government. | ||
| But in terms of what they've done in Afghanistan vis-a-vis investing in the natural resources there, it doesn't appear to be an evil plan. | ||
| Because they aren't... | ||
| I mean, I'm sure there's some exploitation involved. | ||
| Don't get me wrong. | ||
| Oh, of course. | ||
| But what they're doing isn't necessarily stealing all of this stuff. | ||
| They're paying for it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There are contracts and stuff that they're putting in place where they're paying to take copper from the country, which in a... | ||
| Non-corrupt system that worked well. | ||
| What you would have is these businesses come in from out of the country, have arrangements, and based on the resources that are available in Afghanistan, they could end up becoming a very viable country. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| It could be a very stable, affluent country, quite frankly, based on what is there, but because... | ||
| Of the sort of political situation and what has been done to it since time immemorial, it's not. | ||
| Okay, so you're saying that on the one hand we have America that has since 2003 killed millions upon millions of non-combatants. | ||
| Maybe not millions upon millions, but yeah. | ||
| And not even that, but you include sanctions, you include droughts, you include all of the damage that they've done to the economy in general. | ||
| Right? | ||
| And then you have China that was like, you guys have a lot of valuable stuff. | ||
| What if we paid you for it? | ||
| And then when your people aren't pissed off and getting murdered all the time, you'll eventually have a thriving economy. | ||
| Then you'll recognize that we were part of the partners from the very beginning. | ||
| And we forgave your debt in 2004 and all this stuff. | ||
| Yeah, which one would you team up with, Dan? | ||
| I think that's a sounder strategy. | ||
| Now, none of this is to say that I even fully understand all of China's operations. | ||
| I could be talking out of my ass. | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| But just the broad picture of this is it seems like... | ||
| What we have here is basically that. | ||
| And the other thing to be concerned about, too, is if you believe that China is some sort of a evil, stealing all your stuff, Mr. Steal Your Stuff kind of operation, and they have all these, like, $44 billion that they're making a year in Afghanistan, if we pull out and the terrorists start attacking their interests, do you think they're just going to say, whoopsie-daisy, and run back to Beijing? | ||
| They're not. | ||
| If that is what Alex believes is the case, then us withdrawing will only lead to China getting militarily involved in Afghanistan and probably killing tons and tons of people. | ||
| That doesn't make sense. | ||
| It doesn't, but I'm saying that if that's what Alex believes, that would probably be the natural. | ||
| Because the other idea is give up this $44 billion a year they're making? | ||
| Well, I mean, but at the same time, China doesn't have a history of invading countries, and the only one right now that they're super interested in is Tibet. | ||
| And making sure that everybody in Tibet knows that they're fucking Chinese and you better shut the goddamn hell up. | ||
| And there's other issues for why that is such a priority for them. | ||
| They don't have a long history of... | ||
| And China... | ||
| I would assume, and I would hope, and I would think that by now, by now the global community would recognize that... | ||
| Going to war in Afghanistan is a bad idea. | ||
| We've got four different examples of people going to war and not winning and only making things fucking worse. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| But I'm not saying that that is an outcome that's likely. | ||
| No, of course not. | ||
| It's sort of implied by Alex's worldview on it. | ||
| It wouldn't happen no matter what. | ||
| No. | ||
| But, you know, the reality on the ground is what it is. | ||
| And Alex... | ||
| Kind of just seems like he's talking shit. | ||
| Quite frankly. | ||
| He's talking shit. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| So anyway, we get to Alex teasing the big news. | ||
| And even in this tease, I think Alex is stepping in a big old pile of shit. | ||
| Now, when we come back, the big news. | ||
| I'm going to do it at the bottom of the hour. | ||
| And Paul Watson joins us. | ||
| And I'm going to cover it for about a half hour at the start of the next hour. | ||
| Not quite. | ||
| This is the big enchilada. | ||
| There's more than one way to classify information. | ||
| And more than one way to declassify it. | ||
| And as I predicted, you're going to start seeing very skilled hackers who already have the information, but they're going to parallel construct, release all the 9-11 poop on the Clintons, because they're involved too, and the Bushes. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| You want to rock and roll, baby? | ||
| You're going to rock and roll. | ||
| The hackers have 18,000 pages of the stand-down. | ||
| Of 9-11. | ||
| It's up on Infowars.com and it's all about to be coming out. | ||
| Let's stop right there. | ||
| Guess what? | ||
| The entire New York crime syndicate bipartisanly was involved in this. | ||
| Trump wasn't involved. | ||
| That's why the week it happened he said there were bombs in the buildings and there should be an investigation. | ||
| Remember that? | ||
| Called covering your bases. | ||
| And that's a few of the little tricks. | ||
| That's why Trump said strap yourselves in. | ||
| It's going to be a wild ride. | ||
| That strap yourself in, it's going to be a wild ride is sort of hand in hand with Trump when he had that meeting with the generals. | ||
| He said this is the calm before the storm, which sort of kicked off in earnest the big QAnon, the storm meme online and all that nonsense. | ||
| So Alex is hearkening to that because he wants to reclaim... | ||
| QAnon. | ||
| He wants to take over that space, much like he tried to do with Zack, but now he's doing it in a way of like, now I know this story is going to break what the real shit is. | ||
| Okay, so it's QAnon that are his, quote, hackers. | ||
| And they are the ones releasing 18,000... | ||
| No, not so much. | ||
| It's a little bit bigger than that. | ||
| So there is a story that's come out about these hackers, and we'll get into it more when Alex starts to talk about it, but there's these hackers who have said they have 18,000 pages of stuff that they hacked about the 9-11, insurance policies and legal... | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Not 9-11. | ||
| And they are implying that it's going to prove that 9-11 was planned. | ||
| It was all an inside job. | ||
| And Alex is running with that. | ||
| And there's some reasons he shouldn't run with that. | ||
| But then secondly, in that clip, I think it makes perfectly clear that he's implying he has advanced knowledge of what's in those hacked documents, which no one should have because they're encrypted. | ||
| No, there have been decryption keys that have been released for a couple of the documents in order to show, like, we have something. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I assume that the hackers got them legally, right? | ||
| No. | ||
| But Alex also should have no information, and the fact that he's implying that he does is either an indication of being in touch with people who are committing crimes or him just lying. | ||
| One of the two. | ||
| So we can say it's one of the two. | ||
| I'm leaning towards lying right now. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| Your Cheshire Cat grin, however, suggests that you have some... | ||
| I'm not sure if I do. | ||
| But once I... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I can't... | ||
| Even after we get to the end of this, I'm not entirely sure that I can land on one or the other. | ||
| I just think that... | ||
| Based on his actions later in this episode, it's going to be fucking hilarious to see how this plays out. | ||
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| Because it hasn't yet. | ||
| As we're recording this, it hasn't yet. | ||
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| I don't fucking know what's going to happen. | ||
| They haven't released the documents. | ||
| I believe that there probably aren't that many documents. | ||
| I think it's probably wildly overblown. | ||
| 18,000? | ||
| And I have certain reasons to believe that. | ||
| But before we get to that, I just... | ||
| I want to say that this is where the episode got interesting to me. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Because before this, it's kind of like, yeah, alright, this Afghanistan mineral stuff is stuff you touch on from time to time. | ||
| It's kind of boring. | ||
| And yeah, we know you're afraid of Muslims. | ||
| If you're afraid of three girls in a pool supply shop, we can just... | ||
| Fireworks are going to terrify you. | ||
| Yeah, we can extrapolate from there. | ||
| And he kind of does that every year these days. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Around holidays especially, like New Year's Eve or, I don't know, Bastille Day in France. | ||
| You know, just like, oh my god. | ||
| Youths shooting fireworks. | ||
| Yeah, mostly Muslims and they're killing people. | ||
| There's acid and cars. | ||
| Right, so that's all kind of boring. | ||
| But once he gets to, like, this is the big story, I kind of perked up a little bit. | ||
| And things are going to get real interesting. | ||
| But before they do, Alex is mad at Chris Cuomo. | ||
| Maybe not Chris Cuomo. | ||
| Governor Cuomo. | ||
| Remember that one? | ||
| Andrew Cuomo. | ||
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| Chris Cuomo? | ||
| I don't give a shit. | ||
| He complains about Chris Cuomo all the time, too. | ||
| All right, fine. | ||
| I'm fine. | ||
| All Cuomos are fine. | ||
| Fair game to me. | ||
| Alex is not thrilled with him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So Cuomo gave a speech about... | ||
| I don't even really know. | ||
| From the clips that Alex played, I don't really understand the full context of it. | ||
| Oh, the speech that Cuomo gave was weird off... | ||
| Like... | ||
| I assume he's talking about the radio interview? | ||
| No, he's talking about the speech? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I would talk about the radio interview where he seemed to preemptively say, like, hey, I mean, yeah, we have a far more democratic situation there, but they're not going to investigate me, and if they do investigate me, they won't. | ||
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| Nobody said. | ||
| Anybody who's investigating you, Cuomo. | ||
| Now, that's interesting. | ||
| Cuomo, you should not have... | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
| That's not what Alex talks about. | ||
| Okay, of course not. | ||
| Alex is talking about this speech that he gave near Ellis Island, where he was talking, I think, the context that I can glean from it. | ||
| And honestly, if I could do this all over again, I probably would have gone and listened to the whole speech so I could get some context. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But it's kind of one of those things you just dismiss. | ||
| It seemed to be something about the idea of, like... | ||
| Trump's relatives immigrated here and now he's the president. | ||
| Some sort of demonstrative thing about, like, immigration's great. | ||
| Yeah, that doesn't make sense. | ||
| I'm not entirely sure. | ||
| But no matter the case, Alex is going to play a clip of Cuomo's speech. | ||
| And then Alex says something that is crazy. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Literally crazy. | ||
| This is the harbor where Frederick Trump arrived from Germany. | ||
| And that's why we're closing it. | ||
| And whose grandson would become President of the United States, the worst one. | ||
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| Yes, and Fred Trump's father, Trump's grandfather, had to stay three months on Ellis Island in quarantine on record. | ||
| On record, you say? | ||
| That's interesting. | ||
| Is that on record, Dan? | ||
| Oh, it's not. | ||
| Oh, wait, wait, but I thought it was on record! | ||
| On October 19th, 1885, 16-year-old Frederick Trump arrived at Ellis Island. | ||
| The thing is that Ellis Island as we know it, the thing that we know about, the one where it was an immigration center run by the federal government, it didn't exist until January 1st, 1892, a good seven years later. | ||
| What Trump arrived at was known as Castle Garden Immigration Depot, which was run by the state of New York. | ||
| The federal government had to take over the operation after a ton of incidents of unnecessary deaths, reports of state workers stealing indiscriminately. | ||
| And overall, just outright corruption was found. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
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Castle Garden was the first immigration facility in the United States. | |
| And between 1820 and 1892, an approximated 11 million immigrants arrived and became Americans. | ||
| That's over 152,000 per year or 418 per day. | ||
| The story of Trump being quarantined for three months is categorically not true. | ||
| Immigration records from that time are very precise, so we know exactly when he arrived. | ||
| And Gwenda Blair's 2000 book, The Trumps, Three Generations That Built an Empire, explicitly lays out how mere hours after Frederick Trump arrived at Castle Garden, he met a German-speaking barber who was looking to hire an assistant, and that Frederick began working for him the next day and stayed for six years in his employment. | ||
| Wait, but then where did he get this three-month bullshit story from? | ||
| He made it up. | ||
| He just made it up? | ||
| He just flat-out made it up? | ||
| Well, in the Ebola episode we went over from 2014, we heard him lie about Ellis Island and the idea that all these people were turned away because of all the sicknesses and stuff, and we've lost that because we want the sicknesses to come in. | ||
| So this is really just trying to enrich his already existing false narrative of Ellis Island being... | ||
| Exactly like our immigration. | ||
| What he's doing is he's trying to apologize for detention centers. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, he's trying to present this idea of, like, you're mad that these kids are being held in camps, but in reality, they've been doing that this whole time, when that's not true. | ||
| If you look at the history of Ellis Island, how few people were turned away, and how quickly people got through, and were just, now you're American. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You don't have a good case to make. | ||
| We changed your name, but now you're American. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| You don't have a good case to make, though, if you look at the reality and you try and use that to indicate some sort of, like, it's always been this way about immigration. | ||
| You just don't. | ||
| But we're full now. | ||
| But if you create a false reality, you can make that argument. | ||
| And that's what Alex is doing. | ||
| And it serves his purposes on a second level because then he turns it into like this Trump. | ||
| Trump, his whole lineage has come from that really careful immigration. | ||
| proceedings and stuff like that. | ||
| Right. | ||
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Like, even the guy who's being a monster to Mexican immigrants. | |
| Yeah. | ||
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And South American immigrants is, like, himself the product of the rigorous Drolls that they had to put in place. | |
| He's as much a victim as them. | ||
| He's trying to make them stronger, Dan, because they had to go through it. | ||
| Now, look, he's president. | ||
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So all of you fucking immigrants, you can be president someday. | |
| If only we quarantine all of these immigrants for three months, there's a chance that their offspring will become president. | ||
| That sounds right. | ||
| Certainly. | ||
| I think all of their offspring will become president. | ||
| The point is, this story about Frederick Trump is 100% not true. | ||
| It's very clearly on record. | ||
| He got through immigration very quickly. | ||
| And it wasn't Ellis Island, it was Castle Garden, because Ellis Island as an institution didn't exist at that time. | ||
| Which is a second point that I want to make about the idea of why federally run things are often needed. | ||
| Because state-run things often have endemic corruption within them, as evidenced by Castle Gardens and the reason why Ellis Island... | ||
| I mean, that's like 160, 170 years later or whatever. | ||
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Point taken. | |
| Right. | ||
| So the state-federal friction there is just one other point I wanted to highlight. | ||
| But the bigger point is this story about Frederick Trump isn't true. | ||
| And the only place he probably could be getting it from is maybe associates of Trump's or something like that who are telling him these tall tales that absolutely don't match history. | ||
| He's just making this stuff up. | ||
| So then it becomes... | ||
| This is just fun. | ||
| Three months on quarantine. | ||
| I love how... | ||
| His grandfather came here, too! | ||
| And what the hell? | ||
| He was a Nazi, by the way. | ||
| They don't tell you. | ||
| Yeah, and you get tested for diseases. | ||
| Let's continue. | ||
| So, yeah, I mean, he even does that funny voice about Cuomo to try and, like, oh, isn't it stupid? | ||
| Because he had to go for quarantine for three months. | ||
| You don't talk about that! | ||
| But it's not true. | ||
| So the voice you're doing is better directed at you, Alex. | ||
| Also, he doesn't talk about that because it's not true. | ||
| It would be hard for him to have talked about a lie that Alex Jones would come up after. | ||
| The time of his speech. | ||
| I'm sure if he had listened to Alex's talk, he would have added that into his speech. | ||
| I also tried to track that down, possibly, about trying to find possible sources of where that story could have come from, like the idea of Frederick Trump being quarantined and stuff like that. | ||
| I expected maybe to find a blog or something like that, but I can't find any backup for that. | ||
| Could he be mixing him up with somebody? | ||
| It's possible. | ||
| I don't... | ||
| To exclude the possibility that someone was held for three months. | ||
| I do think that's why. | ||
| I think the... | ||
| Because he just came up with it so fast, you know? | ||
| Like, he just pulled that. | ||
| I think Roger told him or something like that. | ||
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Oh, okay. | |
| I think, if I had to guess. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But, like, sure. | ||
| I imagine that in the course of the years that Ellis Island and Castle Garden were open and all that stuff, I'm certain that probably there were instances of people who were held for a really long time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, that individual does exist. | ||
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Oh, of course. | |
| The percentage of the people who were coming in who were held for any amount of time is very, very small. | ||
| But, yeah, that story probably exists and maybe... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Maybe Roger helped him conflate the two. | ||
| But yeah, the bigger issue is just it's not true. | ||
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What even diseases would they test for? | |
| It's in the 18-fucking-90s. | ||
| What testing procedures do they have? | ||
| They did have some, but a lot of them would have been more diagnostic tests. | ||
| It's not like blood work and stuff that takes months or anything. | ||
| It would be like... | ||
| Like we talked about on the Ellis Island episode, that eye condition that was indicative of a really contagious thing that was close to chlamydia. | ||
| So there were things that you could do visual tests on, like boils. | ||
| If you have boils on your body. | ||
| No problem. | ||
| I mean, there's that sort of thing. | ||
| That's the testing that they would do. | ||
| You don't need to want for three months. | ||
| You can just look at them and be like, nope, fucking get out. | ||
| And that's why the process was so quick. | ||
| Because most of it was like a quick physical thing you could do. | ||
| You got legs? | ||
| Get in there. | ||
| Anyway, do you know how to use them? | ||
| Ah, I forgot. | ||
| I crawled off this fucking boat. | ||
| So, it's all a lot of shit. | ||
| And, you know, it's just fun. | ||
| It's nice to see Alex. | ||
| You know why it's fun for me? | ||
| Because even that, that innocuous lie that Frederick Trump was quarantined for three months at Ellis Island is in service of white nationalism. | ||
| Like, even that, that seems so disconnected from Alex's sort of... | ||
| Like I said, the editorial position that he has is one of anti-Islam, and therefore all the stories he wants to cover and chooses to cover are these instances of... | ||
| A Muslim running over someone with a car as opposed to these other instances of people running over people with cars. | ||
| In the same way, this seems so outside of that editorial position. | ||
| It just seems like Trump a sycophant. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. | ||
| But in reality, it really does undercut a dismissal of the concerns of immigrants who Alex classifies as all non-white, and therefore a scourge and a menace coming to America. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| It's nice of him to exercise restraint on that instead of being like, well, of course they let Frederick through. | ||
| He was white! | ||
| But I feel like that's underneath it. | ||
| Yeah, no, absolutely. | ||
| Anyway, in this next clip... | ||
| If instead of None Dare Call It A Conspiracy, Alex had just watched Fievel, An American Tale? | ||
| Do you think we would be in an entirely different universe? | ||
| Possibly. | ||
| At the very least, he wouldn't be anti-Semitic, or at least anti-Mouse. | ||
| I tried to watch that not too long ago. | ||
| It was crazy. | ||
| It was, first of all, absolutely crazy. | ||
| Like, just from a content standpoint? | ||
| Yeah, isn't it nuts? | ||
| And then second, from like a, like, you forget how rudimentary animation used to be. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| You see those animations and cartoons from like the, I don't know, 40s and 50s? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And you have that in your head. | ||
| And you have modern, like, Toy Story 3 and shit. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| And you forget that there's that weird middle ground of like early 90s. | ||
| Oh, do you mean the fucking golden age? | ||
| It's pretty good, but it's also really weird to look at. | ||
| That was the experience I had. | ||
| I watched Fievel Goes West not too long ago, and it's fantastic and also distracting. | ||
| A lot of racial stereotypes flying around. | ||
| Which is really strange, considering the first Fievel was essentially about Jews coming to America. | ||
| It's a mess. | ||
| And then they move west and they're like, ah, let's be racist all day. | ||
| So, let's not go too far down this critiquing of cartoons route. | ||
| Let's get into this next clip where Alex hints at a story that he wants to cover because he's not getting to the big news yet. | ||
| Of course not. | ||
| He has another story he wants to talk about and this one really interested me. | ||
| And Merkel says, yes, that's true. | ||
| Last week we're going to ignore national sovereignty and ignore the voters and have an EU army control you. | ||
| And then quietly they arrest 200 officers of the German military because they were planning to overthrow Merkel for treason. | ||
| Yeah, the Germans tried to overthrow Hitler, too. | ||
| Wish they would have. | ||
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Okay. | |
| So. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| The clip that he's talking about, or the speech that Merkel gave, was about the idea of, like, in a larger world, sometimes states have to make... | ||
| You know, compromises in terms of sovereignty. | ||
| It could be described as giving up some of your sovereignty. | ||
| It's not like saying the EU army is going to rule over you or anything like that. | ||
| In much the same way as pretty much everything Alex lies about, there is like a kernel of truth in it that she was talking about. | ||
| Compromises in terms of sovereignty. | ||
| We're part of the EU, guys. | ||
| Get used to it. | ||
| But at the same time, she was talking about how the parliament is the most important piece of these states, and you retain them, and that sort of thing. | ||
| So his argument falls flat. | ||
| I tried to find this story, and I don't know what he's talking about. | ||
| But I will say, number one, no one is interested in overthrowing Angela Merkel. | ||
| She's already announced she's stepping down as Chancellor. | ||
| So no one who just doesn't like her is going to waste their resources on a very dangerous coup attempt. | ||
| That would be nonsensical. | ||
| Now's a great time. | ||
| Bad time. | ||
| She hasn't stepped down yet. | ||
| Bad time to do it. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| Maybe you just wanted to overthrow Merkel. | ||
| And you're like, she's going to leave soon, so we've got to get it in quick. | ||
| Let's play this out. | ||
| I'm a group that... | ||
| I'm going to play both parts. | ||
| Okay, all right, then never mind. | ||
| How about let's you play this out? | ||
| I'm going to be John Leguizamo and do a one-man show about this. | ||
| Nice, nice! | ||
| So I'm Angela Merkel, and I'm like, hi, I'm the chancellor. | ||
| And this other group is like, we don't want you to be chancellor anymore. | ||
| Because you're like Hitler, apparently. | ||
| We're going to overthrow you because of your statements on sovereignty. | ||
| She's like, oh, a while back I already said that I'm going to be gone in a bit. | ||
| And that group is like, cool. | ||
| That's how it would go. | ||
| Like, if you are a group that wants to overthrow Angela Merkel for the things that she stands for and her being in power, then wait it out. | ||
| You've got a month. | ||
| No, it's like a movie, Dan. | ||
| It might leave the theater next week. | ||
| You've got to get it in quick. | ||
| But there's a chance it won't work. | ||
| Like, if there's a chance you die on the way to the movie, maybe you wait for VOV. | ||
| There's always a chance you die on the way to the movie. | ||
| If there's a good chance, maybe you get it on Netflix. | ||
| There's a 70-30 chance you're going to die on the way to any movie. | ||
| So I can't find any indication of what Alex is talking about here. | ||
| I can't find any articles on it, even on Infowars' website. | ||
| And any internet search fails to bring up any story that seems like he might be covering. | ||
| There was one story I found that was about 200 German police officers. | ||
| mafia operation right them breaking up a mafia ring oh okay and so it's like oh that's interesting but it has nothing to do with merkel and and the 200 officers weren't arrested they were the ones doing the arresting but that 200 number was in there yeah So that was one possibility. | ||
| I don't think that's it. | ||
| However, back in October, a group of six men were arrested for forming a far-right terror cell called Revolution Sheminists, which aspired to overthrow Angela Merkel. | ||
| But they weren't doing it from a she's a globalist and traitor position. | ||
| They wanted to install a far-right ethnostate. | ||
| The name Revolution Shemnitz is a reference to the city shemnitz, a city that had been the scene of violent protests in the aftermath of a stabbing that was done by a migrant. | ||
| The protests more or less deteriorated into mob violence and Nazi salutes were being thrown around very liberally. | ||
| Following these protests, members of Revolution Shemnitz began attacking immigrants with glass bottles and stun guns pretty regularly in what prosecutors have described as practice runs for their planned larger-scale attack to come. | ||
| They planned an attack with assault rifles and high-grade weapons for October 3rd, the day when Germans celebrate the anniversary of the country's reunification. | ||
| The message could not have been more clear, that their primary terrorist motivation was to undo that unification. | ||
| The police had intercepted communications and had been watching the group, and when it became clear that this was their plan, they made their move and arrested the conspirators before they could murder tons of non-white people in the interest of pushing their... | ||
| goals. | ||
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These men weren't anti-globalization. | |
| They were literally members of the neo-Nazi scene in Germany. | ||
| And it's easy to see where their motivations came from. | ||
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And Alex seems I think that's kind of good. | |
| I think that's a reflection of a good job. | ||
| Only six people have been arrested for trying to overthrow you? | ||
| I think it was seven, but one of them got arrested previous to the sixth state. | ||
| Ah, I gotcha. | ||
| Because he beat up an immigrant, and then there's like, well, we're going to arrest you individually. | ||
| Yeah, because I think more people were arrested trying to assassinate and overthrow Obama in the United States than just six. | ||
| Oh, yeah, go find that list. | ||
| Yeah, it's a long list. | ||
| It's nuts how many people threatened to murder Obama. | ||
| And it's nuts that we never really heard about it all that much, which I think is a sign of decorum. | ||
| Well, that's kind of more because the media was like, well, yeah, I mean, there's a black president. | ||
| Of course people are going to do this. | ||
| I don't think that's it. | ||
| I think it was seen as de classe to talk about. | ||
| I think it was seen as like, I would guess that Obama wouldn't want to give credence to threats against him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And people who were around him probably saw no benefit out of publicizing them. | ||
| What do you do? | ||
| Do you encourage more people to do this? | ||
| Do you incite pity for him? | ||
| What good is that? | ||
| There's no positive outcome for it, so just don't talk about it. | ||
| Quietly arrest these people, break up plots wherever you can, and just move on. | ||
| Whereas now, anytime there's some sort of a minuscule threat against Trump... | ||
| You gotta hear about it. | ||
| Well, I mean, maybe instead what they should have done is installed one of those LED ticker tapes, and it just had a constantly updating list. | ||
| Three days since. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Every death threat, it's just the names just going alongside there on a constant loop. | ||
| That'd be nice. | ||
| I'm certain that there are probably more people who conspired against Angela Merkel over the years. | ||
| But this is the only thing I can come up with that seems to match Alex's story. | ||
| The numbers aren't right, but the themes are there. | ||
| And these are people who are neo-Nazis. | ||
| These are Nazis, man. | ||
| Like, straight up. | ||
| It's not a stretch to say that. | ||
| They are people who beat up immigrants and had plans to attack politicians and citizens with assault rifles on the celebration of Reunification Day in order to help bring in a white ethnostate. | ||
| Yeah, they're even Germans. | ||
| True. | ||
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They got all the trappings of a Nazi. | |
| They got Nazi salutes all over the place. | ||
| That sort of thing that Alex is defending them, it shouldn't surprise me, but somehow it still does. | ||
| If that's the story he's talking about, it's still crazy that he's whitewashing that because it's so easy to see what the reality is. | ||
| I'm still kind of amazed that anybody becomes a Nazi. | ||
| We're so normalized to it now, but isn't it kind of weird that people still become Nazis? | ||
| Especially in Germany. | ||
| To a certain extent, after the first... | ||
| World War, whenever everybody economically destroyed Germany and left everybody so fucked, you know, you're like, well, a nationalist far-right movement is going to arise when everybody's that fucked. | ||
| But now everybody's doing so much better and there are still people trying to be Nazis? | ||
| Well, I think you're looking at the wrong axis, the wrong variable there. | ||
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Right. | |
| Because enough time has passed now and there's generational differences that there's probably a lot of people who have been taught that, like... | ||
| Doing Nazi salutes and doing any kind of thing that's adjacent to Nazism is absolutely forbidden. | ||
| And in people who are like, you know... | ||
| There's a certain oppositional defiance necessary. | ||
| Do whatever is the most rebellious thing possible. | ||
| Identifying with Nazis is the thing that their culture deems the most forbidden thing. | ||
| There is good reason to think that a piece of rebellion could be dabbling in Nazi ideas. | ||
| It's not the... | ||
| Not to dismiss it or make it okay, but I think it's easier to become a Nazi in Germany than it is anywhere else because it is a place where... | ||
| They've dealt with that guilt for as long as they have. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I saw an underground German bondage video that was actually just a guy putting on a Nazi uniform. | ||
| So you know it's taboo. | ||
| Sure. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know how to talk about it more because I'm not German. | ||
| But from things I've read, it seems like that sort of thing is in play. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know what to tell you. | ||
| I mean, I guess you can, anybody can deny the Holocaust anywhere. | ||
| It just seems strange to deny the Holocaust and say that that's, like, Nazis weren't bad, but at the same time actively try and kill people who are Jewish. | ||
| Or immigrants. | ||
| Yeah, aren't you kind of just, aren't you the very proof that the Holocaust did happen? | ||
| I mean, maybe. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I think people have a lot of blind spots. | ||
| That's how we submit nothing. | ||
| I honestly don't know how to, like, end that sort of line of thinking other than that. | ||
| Like, yeah, probably. | ||
| Probably they should see that, but I don't know. | ||
| It seems obvious. | ||
| Like, hey, you guys, there's six of you. | ||
| You're trying to kill immigrants and non-Jewish people. | ||
| And politicians in order to help put in your idea of a state that kills immigrants or excludes immigrants. | ||
| So that kind of would lead to a holocaust, considering... | ||
| Imagine... | ||
| Hey, six guys. | ||
| Imagine the entire country wanted to kill immigrants and Jews. | ||
| You might wind up with a holocaust. | ||
| So maybe the holocaust did happen. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Anyway. | ||
| They have their position on immigrants. | ||
| They have their position on minorities. | ||
| All that stuff. | ||
| Alex has his. | ||
| And in this next clip, he starts screaming about how the Muslims are winning. | ||
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Oh, boy. | |
| Sadiq Khan said two years ago when he first got elected to the Islamic mayor of London, he said, just get used to it. | ||
| It's normal. | ||
| And you know what? | ||
| It is. | ||
| I can't keep track of the bus attacks, the car attacks, the knife attacks, the rape attacks, the firework attacks. | ||
| You don't want to keep track of them because you don't want to do any work. | ||
| Because if you do, you have to then get into the ones that aren't Islam-related or immigrant-related or anything like that. | ||
| Also, what Sadiq Khan was talking about wasn't the idea of like, get used to it, bitches, or something like that. | ||
| Which would have been a great speech. | ||
| He wasn't flexing on people like, Muslims are going to do this to you. | ||
| I kind of wish he did. | ||
| He was saying that in a modern society, sometimes there are risks. | ||
| Like, let's say the security apparatus that's in place can't catch everybody. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And it's a part of, like, large-scale urban life. | ||
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Right. | |
| We live in Chicago, and there is a risk. | ||
| Every time we walk down the street at night or whatever, there's a chance that you might get mugged. | ||
| I've had people accost me. | ||
| Thankfully, it's never led to a mugging, but I accept that as a possibility in a city. | ||
| That isn't to excuse mugging as a crime, it's to deal in a real way with the world as it is. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Well, and the NRA's entire policy might as well be an organization saying, get used to it, mass shootings are fine. | ||
| Well, there's that too, and they also make money both ways on that one. | ||
| Because they try and make you as afraid of the... | ||
| You know, just the realities of modern city life, but their answer is... | ||
| Buy more guns. | ||
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Come to us. | |
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Come to us to protect you. | ||
| Yeah, the NRA makes a lot more money on the day after a mass shooting. | ||
| You bet. | ||
| So they kind of have a financial incentive for mass shootings to continue. | ||
| Well, but that... | ||
| See, I agree with you, but the only reason I don't like that is because it seems to put actual guilt on them as opposed to abstract guilt, which I don't care. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Let's not move into it. | ||
| The hand grenade attacks and the mass raping and grooming and government allowing it. | ||
| I can't even keep track anymore. | ||
| I'm just becoming numb to it. | ||
| They're winning! | ||
| Paul lives in London, Stan. | ||
| We'll talk to him in one moment, but first. | ||
| All the big specials are going to be over today. | ||
| No! | ||
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| No. | ||
| Boo. | ||
| No. | ||
| Another reason he can't keep track of it is because he would also have to keep track of how many of these incidents happened under Boris Johnson and all of these things in order to compare. | ||
| Well, he doesn't want any statistical work. | ||
| He doesn't want any work. | ||
| He doesn't want to do any work. | ||
| Absolutely not. | ||
| Because even in this, he's not talking about any specific incidents. | ||
| He just keeps talking about the myriad knife attacks. | ||
| Can't keep track of them! | ||
| And every time that we've delved into those waters and talked about how he always screams about how there's all these acid attacks, and we go over the statistics and talk about the reality of who are the people who are doing these acid attacks, why are they doing them, all that stuff, it never matches his narrative. | ||
| He never wants to get into the reality and the individual instances because it's a problem for him. | ||
| Reality really fucks up his narrative. | ||
| He just wants to yell about these things in a vague sense in order to make you scared of the idea that the Muslims are winning and that Paul lives in London, Stan. | ||
| He does. | ||
| The specials are still going. | ||
| It's strange that all of his specials assuage fears. | ||
| And then he spends all of his time... | ||
| Making people afraid. | ||
| I mean, it's such a pathetic business model. | ||
| And we talk about it all the time, like, obliquely. | ||
| But, like, it is just... | ||
| Like, it's a strategy that he learned in the 90s working for Ted Anderson as a gold salesman. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Where you create this fear of a financial collapse and then Ted comes in and tells them about the gold that will save them. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like, it doesn't work on a one-to-one level because he's making people afraid of Muslims winning. | ||
| And then selling them pills or something? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Fair. | ||
| But he's been able to maneuver this from that, like, I have Ted who's selling you the thing that saves you from what I'm making you afraid of. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And now he's pivoted it to, it doesn't matter what he's selling. | ||
| It's that if you buy things from me, I will continue to exist. | ||
| And I'm the one who's saving you from this. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| It's a really pathetic business model and really manipulative. | ||
| And ugly, no matter what he's selling. | ||
| If he's selling the best thing in the world, if he's selling Wonka bars, one of my favorite candy bars, it's still a bad business model. | ||
| No, Dan, I'm just saying. | ||
| All I'm trying to say is that the far right is taking over in the United States. | ||
| Nazism is on the rise. | ||
| Hate crimes are going out of control. | ||
| And Dan, we have t-shirts that you need to buy. | ||
| We don't have t-shirts. | ||
| We don't have t-shirts. | ||
| We're bad at this. | ||
| So in this next clip, Alex wants to talk more about the Muslims that are taking over and about some of their New Year's Eve activities and stuff. | ||
| And when we get through this clip, you will see that this is bullshit. | ||
| 99 burned cars in one town, burning buildings. | ||
| 99 burned cars on the wall. | ||
| No! | ||
| I mean, I can't even keep track of this. | ||
| We can't, as a news organization, even keep track of how insane it is. | ||
| There it is. | ||
| 99 vehicles set on fire in a migrant-heavy Paris suburb on New Year's Eve. | ||
| And here's the key. | ||
| This is just like any Islamic country. | ||
| They don't let you come in the country if you're a Christian. | ||
| Or an outside group. | ||
| Or a woman not wearing a veil. | ||
| And then they congregate in cities and take them over every single time. | ||
| This is meant to drive you out, drive down property rights, so they get control. | ||
| It's a mafia tactic. | ||
| It's cancer is what it is. | ||
| Stay with us. | ||
| Gross. | ||
| Was one of the mafia's tactics reverse gentrification? | ||
| I guess. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's cancer. | ||
| These non-whites making neighborhoods is a cancer. | ||
| So there's this story about these burning cars on New Year's Eve. | ||
| 99 burned cars in a city in France. | ||
| Which Alex earlier said, per city. | ||
| It's like, which implies it's every city. | ||
| I don't know about that. | ||
| So just for fun, because Alex is talking about car burnings and I want to illustrate how easy it is to take any headline or story and use it however you want. | ||
| I present you with this news story out of Goldsboro, North Carolina from January 2nd, 2019 quote, police are investigating what appears to be a hate crime after a Goldsboro, North Carolina family's SUV was set on fire because their daughter who is white was dated Oh, come on. | ||
| The girl's mother said that while the family slept, two of their cars were covered with swastikas and racist language, and a third car was set on fire. | ||
| In the aftermath, the daughter had to stay with family out of state, and the family had to wrestle with the idea that their child was unsafe because she decided to date outside her race. | ||
| Go ahead. | ||
| Look into recent arsons in the United States. | ||
| There's plenty of them. | ||
| There's Victor Nelson Rosado, who was arrested on December 30th in Midland, Texas, right in Alex's backyard because he set a woman's house on fire. | ||
| Interestingly, he was also charged with felony stalking, something he'd been arrested for twice and charged for. | ||
| Or twice in the past. | ||
| The woman who owned the property told officers that Rosado had previously slashed her car tires and vandalized her vehicles and home. | ||
| Or how about Loretta Bailey from Manchester, Pennsylvania whose ex-boyfriend was arrested for burning down her house right after she had broken up with him. | ||
| Violence against women! | ||
| He started out small, just vandalizing her truck on Thanksgiving, which led to her attempting to get a protective order against him. | ||
| Ultimately, this didn't work out because he just kept avoiding the officers who were trying to serve him with papers, and then he burned down her house. | ||
| Or there's this guy in Hialeah, Florida, who committed suicide on New Year's Day 2019, but was sure to set his house on fire before he did. | ||
| You see, his girlfriend had recently separated from him, but she didn't feel safe going to retrieve her possessions from his house alone, so she called the police to escort her over. | ||
| Which led to them contacting the ex-boyfriend to make sure he knew what the situation was and everything went smoothly. | ||
| After getting this update that the police and her were coming to get her possessions, he set his house and car on fire to make sure that she couldn't reclaim her possessions. | ||
| Then there was Nicholas Cole, the 20-year-old guy from Albany, New York, who set someone's car on fire on New Year's Eve after getting into an unspecified dispute with them. | ||
| Or there's George Husky of York, South Carolina, who is due to turn himself in to begin serving a 90-day sentence he'd received for a domestic Oh, that's, that's, that's really, I needed that so bad after that list. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Point is... | ||
| These are just some of the arson-related incidents that have happened in the United States in the last few days. | ||
| A whole lot of them involve domestic violence, which, as you already pointed out, is strange. | ||
| Real strange. | ||
| It's kind of a pattern. | ||
| Seems like it. | ||
| A further point is that, yes, there were 99 vehicles set on fire in France, but the way Alex is reporting the story is intentionally racist. | ||
| His headline on Infowars is 99 vehicles set on fire in migrant-heavy Paris suburb, which is meant to imply that the migrants are committing this... | ||
| The mass fire is some sort of a terrorist act. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Because why else would you say migrant-heavy suburb unless you were trying to make someone afraid that they're going to come burn your car? | ||
| It's just information that's out there, Dan. | ||
| You look to yourself to figure out whether it's relevant. | ||
| It's just information that's out there. | ||
| The story goes even further to make things explicit, saying this, quote, is a perfect illustration of how mass migration and integration has completely failed. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| That's a... | ||
| That's a fucked up sentence. | ||
| That's a fucked up sentence. | ||
| There's no primary sourcing in this article. | ||
| Only a tweet from an account called The Intelligence Fusion, which states that 99 cars were set on fire. | ||
| A fact that Paul Joseph Watson then goes on to editorialize about and connect to stories he's just decided are connected. | ||
| So this entire article, the only primary source about the 99 cars, is this tweet from The Intelligence Fusion. | ||
| Three million illegal immigrants voted in the last election day. | ||
| Now, I don't know a whole lot about The Intelligence Fusion, but... | ||
| I glanced over their Twitter feed, and it seems like maybe people who are doing some work, it seems like they're doing something. | ||
| I don't know enough about them to... | ||
| To give any kind of decision on them or anything like that. | ||
| But looking over their account, showed me a few stories they've covered that Alex and PJW certainly aren't getting near. | ||
| From January 3rd, 2019, quote, earlier this week, flyers were placed on vehicles in central Ferndale, Michigan, by a white supremacist group. | ||
| Flyers had messages regarding the need to, quote, take back America. | ||
| Or there was a tweet from January 2nd, 2019, quote, in 2018, Chicago saw a drop in murders for the second year in a row, with 100 fewer murders than 2017. | ||
| Police credit investments at data-driven policing and the creation of strategic decision support centers for the drop. | ||
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Oh, Alex, do you want to talk about how things are getting better in Chicago? | |
| No, no, we need the National Guard in there, Dan. | ||
| Chirac! | ||
| Right. | ||
| Chirac, Dan! | ||
| I have no idea what the Intelligence Fusion's editorial position, but nothing what it is. | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I don't know how, like, stringent they are with guidelines. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It would take way too long to figure that out, and there's such a tertiary piece of the story that I don't give a shit. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| The point is, they're the only source of actual primary information in Paul Joseph Watson's story. | ||
| Now, Breitbart did cover this story too, and to their credit, they at least did link through to one actual French source, Le Parisien, which includes the line, quote, in the lot, some vehicles were most likely burned for insurance scam attempts. | ||
| This is something that comes up over and over again from experts when we look into the issue of vehicle burnings in Europe in particular. | ||
| The vast majority of them are the result of insurance scams. | ||
| Alex has every reason to know this. | ||
| But still perpetuates the idea that this is the work of some sort of group of Muslim immigrants trying to terrorize the public, which there's no evidence to support, even on Alex's own website. | ||
| This is a pure expression of Infowars' editorial position of demonizing immigrants, Muslims, and of supporting white nationalism. | ||
| This is a zero. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| I just thought of the way Alex put that earlier, where he's like, these immigrants come in. | ||
| They lower property values so they can take over. | ||
| What he's actually just said is I know the racism of property values in that just anyone being non-white there lowers property values. | ||
| Doesn't matter if their house is the same or different. | ||
| Man. | ||
| It's just... | ||
| By virtue of being non-white, it lowers property values. | ||
| Alex, you understand how racism works. | ||
| You got it, man. | ||
| You have what it takes to be woke. | ||
| You did it! | ||
| You did it, buddy! | ||
| That is interesting. | ||
| Let's start talking redlining, baby! | ||
| We've got it all! | ||
| That's such a buried piece of what he's indicating he is aware of. | ||
| That is really interesting. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| He said it. | ||
| It's so subtle that I didn't even pick up on that. | ||
| He gets it. | ||
| No, I was thinking about it. | ||
| Did you just get that right? | ||
| And he doesn't seem to think that that's a problem. | ||
| He doesn't seem to think that that's a function of systematic racism and a corrupt real estate industry. | ||
| What a fucking asshole. | ||
| Yeah, he's dumb. | ||
| But here is him being even more asshole-ish. | ||
| I bet there was more before the feeds cut in because it starts very curiously as he's coming back from break. | ||
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Of course, mommy's gonna help cut your testicles off. | |
| Oh, it's so liberal to brainwash your five-year-old and tell them they're a girl or they're a boy. | ||
| Those aren't the lyrics to that song. | ||
| It's so liberal. | ||
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The lyrics are Lionel, Lionel, Lionel, Lionel. | |
| Holy shit. | ||
| I don't understand. | ||
| I want to be clear, before this he wasn't talking about anti-trans issues. | ||
| He doesn't after this. | ||
| He's just the spirits getting in him and he does a transphobic song parody in the middle of the show. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know why. | ||
| It must have been an off-air conversation that he was having or something like that. | ||
| It got into his head and it bled into the show. | ||
| It's so weird. | ||
| Buckley, we went to break, right? | ||
| Buckley! | ||
| Buckley! | ||
| You hate trans people? | ||
| Me too. | ||
| All right, I'm going to sing a song about it. | ||
| Everybody play that! | ||
| It's such an interesting stray bigotry that, like, doesn't connect to anything he covers in the episode. | ||
| So, you should know that there is that big news, and it's about these 9-11 hacked documents. | ||
| It's coming. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But before it comes, Alex has got to throw one of his longtime associates straight under the bus. | ||
| But I've got, when I say huge news... | ||
| Intergalactic level Gigantor coming up next segment. | ||
| Roger Stone has huge news. | ||
| I hate to have to go out for Dr. Jerome Corsi, but there's some chicanery going on, so we're going to do it. | ||
| Alex is siding with Roger in the Roger Stone versus Jerome Corsi battle. | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| So, for anyone who doesn't know, I don't know if we've covered it on the show or anything like this, but Jerome Corsi has been talking to Mueller. | ||
| And then it also turns out that he's mad about this, so he's decided he's going to sue Mueller. | ||
| How's that lawsuit going? | ||
| Can't tell. | ||
| Probably not great. | ||
| Roger Stone initially was very supportive of Jerome Corsi, but now apparently there's been some backstage beef. | ||
| And the two of them are feuding. | ||
| Roger, because he has no other social media, put up on Instagram a really ugly picture of Jerome Corsi and this thing about how he's a snake in the grass. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| He's working with Mueller to sandbag Roger Stone. | ||
| Was it a selfie with him and Jerome Corsi? | ||
| It wasn't. | ||
| It was just a picture of Corsi and his makeshift study. | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| I really don't care. | ||
| I honestly don't even know if it's real. | ||
| You think they might be doing a performance? | ||
| Professional wrestling beef? | ||
| Possibly. | ||
| In order to both distance each other from each other so whenever they're being investigated, they... | ||
| I mean, if you look at how Roger left the Trump campaign with the idea of him saying that he quit and Trump saying he got fired in order to create the appearance that they weren't working on the same page. | ||
| That there was a schism. | ||
| Yeah, that sort of thing. | ||
| I think if you look at Roger's career, there's a lot of fake... | ||
| Publicity moves or whatever. | ||
| I don't really care. | ||
| All this is a zero to me. | ||
| Because Jerome Corsi is still Jerome Corsi. | ||
| Roger Stone is still Roger Stone. | ||
| And Alex Jones is still Alex Jones. | ||
| I don't give a fuck if they don't like each other. | ||
| Are you Team Roger or Team Corsi? | ||
| Neither. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| This is Twilight all over again, man. | ||
| No. | ||
| We have a strange... | ||
| I'm rooting for them both to go to prison. | ||
| We have a strange romantic triangle here. | ||
| I assume that Alex is Bella. | ||
| Oh, he's Dean Roger. | ||
| Or whatever. | ||
| He's Dean Roger 100%. | ||
| Oh, see? | ||
| There you go. | ||
| He's indicated there. | ||
| He's throwing Corsi out, man. | ||
| He's throwing him the fuck out. | ||
| But that's why she didn't wind up being with the werewolf. | ||
| In this situation, Jerome Corsi is the werewolf kid. | ||
| I'm going to do Twilight references for the rest of the night. | ||
| I'm holding myself to it. | ||
| I mean, possibly. | ||
| I've never seen Twilight, but it's my understanding that the werewolf was more nurturing. | ||
| Or, like, was a better guy. | ||
| I think he was. | ||
| I think that was the story. | ||
| I think the vampire was just an asshole. | ||
| Let's deconstruct Twilight having neither of us seen it. | ||
| It's my understanding that the werewolf was her age and a decent guy. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And then the vampire was a thousand years old and a creep. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| That's statutory rape at best, right? | ||
| She was 16 and he was a thousand. | ||
| So Alex being Bella... | ||
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Corsi being the werewolf and Roger being the vampire is possibly accurate. | |
| That might actually make sense. | ||
| Based on our never seeing Twilight, that is a completely accurate metaphor. | ||
| Don't come at me. | ||
| I just don't care. | ||
| It could be a fake beef. | ||
| It could be real. | ||
| I'm not charmed by this. | ||
| I'm not interested. | ||
| Although I am slightly interested in the idea that whatever the situation is, Alex has decided to be like, I'm doubling, tripling, quadrupling down on Roger. | ||
| I'm with him no matter what. | ||
| It doesn't fucking matter. | ||
| Who wins a boxing match between Coercy and Stone? | ||
| Stone. | ||
| They're both old. | ||
| Stone. | ||
| You think so? | ||
| You think Corsi's just too slow? | ||
| He can't move, man. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| No. | ||
| He's a big pile of goo, man. | ||
| Yeah, but he's probably got a hard right, man. | ||
| And Stone can't punch for shit. | ||
| But Stone is quick. | ||
| He's quick on his feet. | ||
| He is a rat. | ||
| Here's the deal. | ||
| He is a rat fuck. | ||
| Jerome Corsi is one of those guys that if he hits you, you're out. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| He's late period George Foreman. | ||
| He can't move, but he's still got... | ||
| You never lose the right. | ||
| He's a guy also who has a lot of endurance in the ring. | ||
| You could punch him 30 times and it counts for one or whatever. | ||
| But I think Roger has the stick and move. | ||
| I think he has the stick and move. | ||
| He's quick enough that he could rope a dope. | ||
| He's got the Ali. | ||
| He's got some Floyd Mayweather defense level. | ||
| I would take Corsi to lose every time. | ||
| Every time. | ||
| I just don't care. | ||
| Although this is interesting to me on another level, and that is when Steve Pachanik started talking about how the Vegas attack was fake. | ||
| Alex threw him under the bus and was like... | ||
| I think he's still doing CIA operations and stuff like that. | ||
| When was the last time we saw Pachenik? | ||
| I haven't seen him in a very long time. | ||
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Oh, man. | |
| But he never questioned what are the other things that Pachenik has told me in the past. | ||
| That sort of thing. | ||
| He just was like, alright, we're not going to work with him in the future. | ||
| This one time he's a CIA operative, but at the same time, literally everything he said before this moment is still valid and perfect for my narratives. | ||
| Alex is now throwing Corsi out and being like, Corsi's a weasel. | ||
| He's trying to get Roger thrown in prison, all this stuff. | ||
| And at no point is he going to do the work of being like... | ||
| Of course, he used to work for WorldNet Daily. | ||
| I've been using him as a source and interviewing him for years and years. | ||
| He's a huge part of a lot of my fears about Obama and all this stuff. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| It's crazy that he doesn't consider, like, oh, this guy is now trying to get one of my best friends thrown in prison. | ||
| Maybe he's been a bad dude before this. | ||
| He doesn't care at all about that because he doesn't. | ||
| Yeah, I've never considered this. | ||
| Like, whenever Jakari... | ||
| Sorry, hold on real quick. | ||
| It's an indication that they all know they're playing a con. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| No, absolutely. | ||
| 100% I agree with you. | ||
| If they thought any of this was real, it would be like, we need to start analyzing what... | ||
| Toxic information this now toxic person brought into my world, and he never does that. | ||
| Just like with a cop being dirty for one investigation, every investigation that cop has ever done then comes into question. | ||
| You gotta review. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, absolutely. | ||
| What I never thought about is, like with Jakari Jackson, he quit, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because, fuck InfoWars. | ||
| I don't want to be the token black guy there. | ||
| I'm not sure that was it. | ||
| It seems like, from everything I can tell, he had just a problem with the editorial shift that was happening. | ||
| And if it were now, it would be. | ||
| But, I never considered how it must feel to be fired for being too crazy for InfoWars. | ||
| Like, Pchenik is literally no longer a guest. | ||
| He's fired. | ||
| Because InfoWars was like, You're nuts. | ||
| No, because he wasn't fired even. | ||
| After Alex stopped talking to him, he would still show up on David Knight's show and stuff like that. | ||
| Oh, okay, okay. | ||
| He just goes to the junior varsity roster. | ||
| I didn't know that. | ||
| You don't get Alex's publicity promotion or whatever. | ||
| You don't get that reach, but you can still have access to David Knight. | ||
| Or maybe you'll show up on The War Room. | ||
| Fucking everybody has access to David Knight. | ||
| He needs anything. | ||
| It seems like Leo Zagami is still a regular guest on Owen Schroyer's show and stuff like that. | ||
| So it's like, yeah, you keep them in sort of the baby kennels and stuff like that. | ||
| It's like, yeah, you can't have access to the show that people actually listen to. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| But you can come. | ||
| We still want whatever. | ||
| This is indication to me, and this is irresponsible of me, but... | ||
| It smells like pay-for-play. | ||
| Because otherwise, don't talk to them. | ||
| If you don't trust them, don't let them on any of your shows. | ||
| Instead of like, let's take a little bit less money from them to appear on this show. | ||
| It seems like that. | ||
| I bet we could get on Owen Troyer's show. | ||
| Yeah, it would be combative. | ||
| I wouldn't want to do it. | ||
| No, of course not. | ||
| I don't want to talk to that motherfucker, but I bet we could do it. | ||
| The right email could probably get us in there. | ||
| Hey, Owen, we're free! | ||
| We have some interesting thoughts on globalists. | ||
| So, in that last clip, Alex indicated that he's turning on Jerome Corsi, and then in this next clip, he makes it pretty clear. | ||
| Chicanery. | ||
| Alright. | ||
| We're well into the second hour of the first live show I've done in 2019. | ||
| It is. | ||
| That's news to me. | ||
| I actually didn't realize he said that. | ||
| Which means that the episode that I started to listen to on the first, where he's going over 5G, was a clip show. | ||
| And that makes me... | ||
| That makes me feel confused. | ||
| Here's two things. | ||
| One, I'm glad we didn't go over it. | ||
| Could have been pre-recorded. | ||
| Yeah, that's possible. | ||
| Whatever the case, it's weird. | ||
| I couldn't tell. | ||
| It doesn't speak highly of his content. | ||
| No. | ||
| This is January 2nd, 2019. | ||
| I'm your host. | ||
| Alex Jones. | ||
| Everyone knows that I'm not an infighter. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| I don't go after other talk show hosts or other media people that are patrons. | ||
| Michael Savage. | ||
| Everyone. | ||
| And try to hurt them. | ||
| Sean Hansen. | ||
| Unless I know they're full of crap. | ||
| Bill O 'Reilly? | ||
| Who else you got? | ||
| I've been interviewed with Dr. Jerome Corsi. | ||
| He does love Mankow. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| Fuck Mankow, by the way. | ||
| At least 16, 17 years. | ||
| And he's a smart guy. | ||
| Is he? | ||
| Three times he's had number one New York Times bestsellers. | ||
| About Obama's birth certificate being fake and John Kerry's swift voting. | ||
| And he's put out a lot of accurate information. | ||
| I don't have people on that are involved in this info. | ||
| Yeah, you do. | ||
| We have to pause there. | ||
| Because Jerome Corsi... | ||
| On the show, he specifically talked about how he was trained by Edward Bernays. | ||
| So you have this guy who is a trained propagandist. | ||
| Edward Bernays put out a book called Propaganda that describes the process of it and his whole career. | ||
| We went over that long ago. | ||
| That was a good episode. | ||
| Go fuck yourself with the idea of I don't have people on who are in misinformation. | ||
| Steve Pachanek, before you threw him off the show, you'd always talk about how he's a psyop guy. | ||
| He's in information warfare. | ||
| Never involved with this. | ||
| That's why the media is always saying, Jones admits he's an actor. | ||
| Everywhere. | ||
| Thousands and thousands of publications over the years. | ||
| Every major news show has said it. | ||
| Do they show a clip of me saying it? | ||
| No, because he's your lawyer. | ||
| Because they know absolutely well that I try to tell the truth. | ||
| And I get things accurate probably more often than anybody else. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| It's really funny to hear that halfway through this episode. | ||
| When he said that Trump's dad was quarantined for three months on record at Ellis Island. | ||
| Don't follow up. | ||
| There's three factual problems even with that sentence. | ||
| Don't look into it. | ||
| Who cares? | ||
| 100 cars per city in France got burned in the past two days. | ||
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| Per city. | ||
| Name a city in France. | ||
| Again, Lyon. | ||
| 100 cars burned. | ||
| Alsace-Lorraine. | ||
| No, that's a region. | ||
| 100 cars burned. | ||
| Look, who gives a shit? | ||
| Alex is stupid. | ||
| He's thrown Corsi under the bus. | ||
| It's non-binding, though. | ||
| Much like Agenda 21. It's non-binding. | ||
| They'll be back on short. | ||
| Yeah, this is nonsense. | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| This would be, like, if we got into this and we're like, look at this, Roger and Corsi are fighting, this means something. | ||
| That would be kind of the equivalent of Alex getting into palace intrigue of the Trump administration. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Talking about how, like, we gotta get Kushner out of there. | ||
| He's an evil influence. | ||
| Like, who gives a shit? | ||
| All these people are liars. | ||
| It doesn't matter if they're fighting with each other or working together. | ||
| It doesn't fucking matter. | ||
| Who gives a shit? | ||
| The only possibility... | ||
| that I see as being interesting from this and I see no indication of this being forthcoming is that as they start to fight with each other One of them could reveal something accidentally. | ||
| Like the idea of what they were doing in the lead up to the 2016 election. | ||
| Like that idea. | ||
| These people who were clearly coordinating with each other in some way. | ||
| Like letting slip something. | ||
| That's the only thing I find interesting. | ||
| And as of yet, I haven't seen that. | ||
| So we're talking about the prisoner's dilemma as being a possibility here. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| We could be in that situation. | ||
| There's a possibility that someone against their own interest reveals something they shouldn't. | ||
| I don't see that. | ||
| So at this point, this is a zero to me, and both of them go fuck themselves. | ||
| Right, because Roger Stone and Jerome Corsi are both well familiar with game theory and have decided that the best way for both of them to win is for them to cooperate. | ||
| With a public appearance of a fight. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| I think that that's entirely possible. | ||
| It may not be. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| But, like, the biggest thing I can say is, again, I don't care. | ||
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| I don't give a shit. | ||
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Right. | |
| What are they fighting with? | ||
| Is it like, you're lying? | ||
| No, you're lying. | ||
| No, I don't think so. | ||
| It's more of a... | ||
| So, Roger's allegation is that Jerome Corsi was willing to lie about Roger, but not about himself, with the special counsel investigation. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And I don't know how he knows that now, or what he's basing that on. | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| The documents are public. | ||
| But I do know that there are texts that have come out between Roger and emails, between Roger and Corsi about... | ||
| Like, we need to get Ted Malick to go talk to our friend at the Ecuadorian embassy and stuff like that. | ||
| You know, like, there is coordination between the two of them in the relevant time frame of the WikiLeaks releases and stuff like that. | ||
| Like, there is something there. | ||
| Because we don't have all the information, we don't know what it is, and it would be stupid for us to speculate. | ||
| But, like, they were up to... | ||
| It could have been anybody in that Ecuadorian embassy, Dan. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| They were up to something. | ||
| It's unclear what it is. | ||
| It doesn't really matter. | ||
| We know that Alex has taken responsibility for telling Roger to coordinate with Julian Assange. | ||
| And knowing that Jerome Corsi was also coordinating with Roger at the same time. | ||
| Who is also an employee of Infowars at the same time. | ||
| And it's around when Jerome Corsi became an actual employee of Infowars as the Washington Bureau Chief. | ||
| When Alex was pretending he was going to start a Washington branch of Infowars. | ||
| There is a lot of stuff that, sort of disconnected pieces and stuff like that. | ||
| But for us to try and put it into a harmonious whole would require us to make too many leaps that we can't make. | ||
| There's something going on? | ||
| But who knows what it is? | ||
| Could be, could be, could be that Roger and Corsi were conspiring to fuck with Alex. | ||
| That's entirely possible. | ||
| That'd be hilarious. | ||
| God, that would be the greatest fucking joke. | ||
| It's possible that the two of them were incapable of getting in touch with Assange or something like that. | ||
| Look, who knows? | ||
| Like I said, I'm going to double down on this. | ||
| Irresponsible to speculate too much, so let's just stick with what we know. | ||
| Affair. | ||
| We know that Alex has a lot of information. | ||
| True. | ||
| Big news story. | ||
| And is always correct, or at least way more than everybody else. | ||
| Pretty much all the time. | ||
| And this big news story is about to break right now. | ||
| I've got a story so big here that A, I have to be careful about what I say. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| Generally should be. | ||
| Which you're not going to be. | ||
| And B, this is the incredible, when I say incredible, I mean super incredible. | ||
| World we live in where things are so volatile. | ||
| Summer rage! | ||
| And it's the type of stuff that got Andrew Breitbart killed. | ||
| Whoa! | ||
| A heart attack? | ||
| So I will be judicious. | ||
| And I will cover the story when we... | ||
| Go to the next break and come back. | ||
| You son of a bitch. | ||
| Teasing it again. | ||
| But he's already said what the story was. | ||
| He already talked about the idea that these hackers have these documents about 9-11. | ||
| Yeah, but he can't tell you now. | ||
| So he thinks that he's doing his same game that he always plays, which is tell what the story is, but what I'm going to say about it is what I'm teasing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And he says that he's going to be judicious about it and he has to be careful about what he says. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Keep that in... | ||
| Which, based on what you said, up top! | ||
| Suggests he was not very judicious. | ||
| If he's... | ||
| Napolitano would say he's in trouble. | ||
| If he's being careful, I can't imagine what willy-nilly Alex would be like. | ||
| I killed JFK! | ||
| So, I'm just going to talk about the story already because I think this is the best way to do this. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| On New Year's Eve, a hacker, a group of hackers, calling themselves the Dark Overlord, announced that they'd hacked 18,000 pages of emails and disclosure agreements from Hiscox, which is an insurer, Lloyd's of London, another insurer, and Hush Blackwell, a law firm, regarding 9-11. | ||
| They dropped the encrypted files for download, with keys to decrypt a couple of the files, and those ones that they released aren't really all that damning. | ||
| This group is saying that unless their demands are met... | ||
| And they're paid a ransom through Bitcoin. | ||
| They will slowly release more decryption keys to reveal more sensitive information. | ||
| They've even invited China, Russia, and even terrorist organizations like ISIS to bid to receive the documents, which should tell you that they're definitely really cool and clearly have America's best interests at heart. | ||
| Nicely done, fellas. | ||
| It's a classic cyber blackmail operation, and there's no evidence as of right now that anything in those supposed 18,000 documents actually prove anything. | ||
| In fact, Lloyds of London and Hush Blackwell both confirmed that they reviewed their cybersecurity and there was no evidence that they'd been breached. | ||
| Oh man, what a bluff this would be if it were a bluff! | ||
| Hiscox did find that they had been penetrated. | ||
| They had had a hack in April of this year. | ||
| But it's unclear if this has anything to do with that necessarily. | ||
| It possibly could. | ||
| Whatever the reality of this story is remains to be seen. | ||
| But as of right now, there is no reason to report this as coming proof that 9-11 is a false flag. | ||
| The Dark Overlord has a history of cyber extortion. | ||
| It's kind of what they do. | ||
| And a representative of the UK National Cyber Security Center points out that while evidence of the stolen data is often provided by this group, quote, the volume and sensitivity of the data may be exaggerated to maximize impact. | ||
| This is what extortionists do. | ||
| They make the idea of the perceived damage that would be done by not complying with their demands seem devastating, whether or not what they have lives up to that expectation. | ||
| From an article in Forbes, quote, You know, in terms of like Hiscox and that. | ||
| Makes me want to believe that they've refused to pay the ransoms. | ||
| So this is kind of just a pressure tactic from the Dark Overlord to force the ransom issue. | ||
| Okay, so you think... | ||
| So this guy would seem to suggest that these companies have already been contacted by the Dark Overlord. | ||
| Almost certainly. | ||
| And because they rejected... | ||
| They wouldn't pay. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| That is what cybersecurity experts and people who have studied the tactics of extortionists on the internet do believe. | ||
| And so everybody who's actually chimed in on this and like... | ||
| You know, official capacities, people who know what's going on are like, yeah, this just seems like a pattern that the Dark Overlord has because, spoiler alert, their group or a person, it's unclear, who's existed for a long time, they leaked a season of Orange is the New Black that they had hacked. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Before they held it for ransom. | ||
| For ransom, of course. | ||
| And they didn't pay, so they released the... | ||
| It's not like they don't have hacking capabilities. | ||
| Yeah, no, clearly. | ||
| There are other instances of them not having as good of stuff as they pretend to when the extortion demands aren't met. | ||
| Not so long, but a while. | ||
| Yeah, but a while. | ||
| Suggests, one, they're good enough to escape so far. | ||
| We don't know how long that will last for. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But two, because they have so many publicized failures, it would suggest to me that they probably have a few unpublicized successes. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's possible. | ||
| And that seems to make sense. | ||
| But it also indicates to me that it is obviously more than one person, because I think the character of the different things that they've done over the years have been so different. | ||
| It's all extortion-related, basically. | ||
| But having the goods or not having the goods have been so variable between different campaigns, in quotes, that it makes me think there's probably some people who... | ||
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| Things that they hacked from a hospital database or something like that. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| But it's not what they say it is. | ||
| It's not as damning as they say it is. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So the idea here is that with these 9-11 documents that they have, they're presenting it in a way that is like, this will bring down this corrupt system and prove that 9-11 is a false flag and all this shit. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| But it could just be that they have these insurance... | ||
| It could very well be that they hacked insurance memos and stuff like that from people in long, protracted court cases that don't demonstrate that 9-11 was fake, but might be embarrassing to people or might be their private business in the streets and stuff like that. | ||
| No one wants that, but it's the over-promising that you hope will get you your extortion demand. | ||
| Now, the other thing that's important to consider about this is that they're asking for Bitcoin, which is a red flag. | ||
| Because right now, Bitcoin's going through some trouble. | ||
| I don't know if you know that. | ||
| I have not heard anything about Bitcoin for the last year. | ||
| I assume it has just kept going up, baby! | ||
| Through the roof. | ||
| Most people who work in cyber espionage or understand that world wouldn't probably want their money in Bitcoin. | ||
| They'd probably want it through another... | ||
| Unmarked bills. | ||
| ...much less traceable cyber currency because there's tons of them. | ||
| Yeah, I usually get my $10 million through PayPal. | ||
| And there's... | ||
| There's no specified amount, which implies that the amount would be known to the people at those organizations or whatever, which does also imply previous contact. | ||
| So there's a lot going on here that, like, it has the look of someone who, well, obviously the Dark Overlord is an extortion operation. | ||
| So you have that. | ||
| And then you have on top of that a history of often over-promising and under-delivering. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So you have that. | ||
| And then you have asking for the money in Bitcoin, which makes you think that if the Dark Overlord is a group, then what you have is probably the lesser part of that group, or maybe the weaker part of that group, because they're asking for it in Bitcoin, as opposed to one of these other more safe, more protected, less traceable. | ||
| Like what? | ||
| Oh, there's tons of them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's what I'm interested in. | ||
| Now that I know that there are more protected, more... | ||
| Yeah, there's so many. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's so many. | ||
| Cool. | ||
| Like, Bitcoin's the one that took off because it became so much... | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Well, because there's a lot of fraudsters out there who did the pump and dump stamps. | ||
| Yeah, there's Silk Road. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| The whole thing. | ||
| There is that, which led to Bitcoin being the most prominent piece of it. | ||
| But there's so many other ones that you could use. | ||
| There are also indications that I was reading about that we are now at a place where Bitcoin can possibly be traceable. | ||
| So people in intelligence could trace. | ||
| If this person really wanted their money in Bitcoin, it wouldn't be the safe option for them. | ||
| And if they were the part of this elite hacker thing, they would know that for sure and would never want their money in Bitcoin. | ||
| So there are red flags and questions about it. | ||
| If I had to guess, I would say, yeah, they probably got a hold of some documents. | ||
| They're over-inflating what they have because they want to make a bunch of money, hopefully. | ||
| Good on them! | ||
| But also are not the best cyber-terrorists in the world because they're asking for it in Bitcoin. | ||
| It leads me to believe that that's sort of the picture we got. | ||
| I don't know, but I don't know. | ||
| Well, but if they have... | ||
| See, here's the thing, though. | ||
| If they have 18,000 documents that prove 9-11 was an inside job, I really hope nobody pays the ransom, right? | ||
| Isn't that the greatest? | ||
| This isn't how I would want it to go, but yeah. | ||
| But that's the greatest fucking public service you could possibly do. | ||
| I strongly disagree only because of the means of doing it. | ||
| Because of the extortion part of it. | ||
| Oh, no, no, no. | ||
| I agree with that part. | ||
| No, I'm with you. | ||
| I'm talking about the other governments and the terrorists not buying it. | ||
| Their public service is being like, I'm calling your bluff. | ||
| And our public gain is, holy shit, 9-11 was a fucking inside job? | ||
| Were someone to be a benevolent hacker in some way and come up with that information and leak it through channels that could vet it and there'd be an actual... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| What would it be? | ||
| It would be unprecedented in many ways. | ||
| That sort of operation that involved really committed, principled journalists, that sort of thing, if that were the path it went, I'd be interested in that somewhat. | ||
| The fact that it's some unnamed hacker or collective that is looking to enrich themselves and offering to sell this to ISIS, it makes me think like... | ||
| It's probably a scam. | ||
| It's probably a lot of a scam. | ||
| Almost certainly. | ||
| And it's trading on conspiracy theories. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And I just... | ||
| On the other hand, on the other hand... | ||
| I like the other hand. | ||
| Maybe the biggest problem that Woodward and Bernstein really encountered with Deep Throat is not fucking selling the information in the first place. | ||
| They could be rich as fuck! | ||
| And Nixon might still be president. | ||
| I think they did okay. | ||
| I mean, they did okay, but they could have been billionaires. | ||
| But that's the flip side of it, is like, let's imagine they do have proof that 9-11 was fake, and someone in the cabal pays the ransom, and then no one ever knows. | ||
| Aren't they just as evil as the Cabal? | ||
| Oh, perhaps more so. | ||
| None of this has played out in any way. | ||
| There's no proof that they've put out that 9-11 is fake. | ||
| It's all the what-if, what's in those documents. | ||
| Alex is being tricked by this again. | ||
| He gets tricked by this a lot. | ||
| This sort of the Schrodinger's cat kind of thing. | ||
| What could be in that box? | ||
| If I'm China, I'm... | ||
| I'm thinking I can take a loss on this one, right? | ||
| Like, how much could they possibly be asking for? | ||
| How much could they possibly be asking for? | ||
| And even if it's not true, it's like, what? | ||
| We spent $10 million? | ||
| Fine! | ||
| We look foolish, but it's like you have, I don't know, a pair. | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| The pot is too big. | ||
| The pot is too big. | ||
| This guy bets, like, $50,000 at you. | ||
| You got, I don't know. | ||
| A million dollars in chips. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You're like, I shouldn't pay 50 grand. | ||
| I know I've lost, but whatever. | ||
| Fuck it. | ||
| Why not? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| It's that sort of strategy. | ||
| The bet is too weak. | ||
| No matter what amount they're asking for, if it is real, then yes, China or Russia would pay for it to use against America. | ||
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Of course! | |
| It would destroy America. | ||
| If it's real? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That is worth a trillion fucking... | ||
| That's worth the GDP of the United States. | ||
| Especially for these places that don't want American influence to be in places where they seek influence. | ||
| It would be the fucking greatest thing ever. | ||
| So it can't be real. | ||
| I know we're sort of dancing around a ton of issues, but all of them are important in their own way because they're all demonstrative of how if you just critically think about this for a second... | ||
| There's no way this is real. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's no reason to suspect it's real because it's being put out by a cyber extortion racket. | ||
| Who are known for extortion. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And so, like, it's just, it's interesting that this is Alex's big news. | ||
| I thought whenever he started talking about it, it was going to be some sort of, like, hooray for this. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that makes sense. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| But the way he covers it, I was never prepared for this. | ||
| This is the most... | ||
| I hate how I always say everything is like a superlative. | ||
| You've got a lot of superlatives over the two years we've been doing this. | ||
| Alex keeps blowing my mind. | ||
| When I was listening to this, there's no way I could have expected this to be his position on it. | ||
| He's so crazy. | ||
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Here we go. | |
| Listen to this. | ||
| So here's the Zero Hedge article. | ||
| ZeroHedge.com up on NewsWars.com and InfoWars.com. | ||
| This is a big deal. | ||
| Not just this story, but how... | ||
| Hackers can get into these systems and then use it. | ||
| And then the fact that Trump has said, look out, I'll release the 9-11 info on the Clintons and the Bushes. | ||
| And Trump has come out and said, there's more than one way to declassify your illegal spying on me and how you funded the Taliban and Al-Qaeda and now ISIS. | ||
| And I've said for a good year. | ||
| Trump should just, through patriots and U.S. intelligence agencies that already have all this, put it out as if they're hackers. | ||
| And then have the cover story that they're putting a ransom out to these companies. | ||
| But really it's just a way to bring attention to it and then release it. | ||
| Because they can't release it. | ||
| These law firms, no matter what happens, they're not going to release it. | ||
| They'll get payoffs in the back, in my view. | ||
| Because you cannot release it. | ||
| It's too damning. | ||
| Bombs in the buildings, black ops, all of it. | ||
| Are you understanding what he's saying? | ||
| Because this is the most fucked up thing imaginable. | ||
| The worst way to cover this story would be to say, this is Trump. | ||
| So what he's saying is that Trump wants to release the 9-11 as an inside job document. | ||
| You bet. | ||
| From these insurers and one law firm. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But he can't because the lawyers would get in the way. | ||
| So instead, he is releasing it. | ||
| Or Congress. | ||
| He later says Congress might get in the way, too. | ||
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Oh, okay. | |
| Congress. | ||
| A lot of lawyers in Congress. | ||
| Oh, you don't think that Congress might be like, hey, let's not put out the 9-11 was an inside job shit. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| Which can they do? | ||
| If you're the president, you can just declassify whatever you want. | ||
| You bet. | ||
| That's part of the rules. | ||
| You bet. | ||
| Like, if JFK was an inside job, tomorrow Trump could be like, hey, JFK is an inside job. | ||
| Simply by saying it, it is declassified. | ||
| I mean, we went through this Horse and Pony show like six months ago when Alex was like, he's about to declassify everything about JFK. | ||
| And he's like, nah. | ||
| Nah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He can't do that. | ||
| With the stroke of a pen. | ||
| It's not. | ||
| But it would be politically... | ||
| A lot of backlash. | ||
| It would be politically suicide for him. | ||
| Actually, I kind of think that might be the best move for him. | ||
| Politically, for most people, if he just revealed that JFK was an inside job, I think even I would be like, hey, good on you, man. | ||
| If you want to change my position on Trump, I mean, I'd still think he was a bigot. | ||
| Because he is. | ||
| But if you wanted to change the legacy to a complicated legacy, all it would take is for him to declassify JFK documents that prove that the government was behind it, and prove that 9-11, the government was behind it, and then him die. | ||
| Bananas! | ||
| Yeah, yeah, no. | ||
| Stroke of a pen, he declassifies all that, it goes out publicly, the globalists kill him, because then it would be like, huh. | ||
| Exactly right! | ||
| Wouldn't everybody have to go like, I get it? | ||
| So if he loses in 2020, his last day should be that. | ||
| If it's true, his last day, because he's fucking Trump, he doesn't give a shit. | ||
| Alex has already said he's ready to die. | ||
| Yeah, out of spite, Trump should release the America has done all the inside jobs. | ||
| Why not? | ||
| Yeah, that'd be great! | ||
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Why not? | |
| Do it! | ||
| Instead, he has hired a group or perhaps created a group of hackers, which over the past couple of years has been a cyber extortion group, all at the behest of Trump, in order to build a backstory so he can then release the 9-11 was an inside job story through them. | ||
| There's a lot of problems with this. | ||
| There's a lot of problems with this story. | ||
| There's a lot of real world problems with this narrative that Alex is embarking on. | ||
| And I would say don't do this. | ||
| I would say don't do this. | ||
| Because he is very clearly saying that this is not a hacking group. | ||
| This is Trump. | ||
| And in this next clip he makes clear and implicates himself in having advanced knowledge of this. | ||
| So pay the F up. | ||
| That's the headline. | ||
| Hackers threaten to dump secret 9-11 attack files if Bitcoin ransom not met. | ||
| We'll be providing many answers about 9-11 conspiracies through our 18,000 secret documents leak from Et, Hiscox, Coms, and others. | ||
| A hacking collective known as the Dark Overlord. | ||
| Wonder who that is. | ||
| Derek. | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| On New Year's Eve, that it had broken into the computer systems. | ||
| I already have it all. | ||
| This is parallel construction. | ||
| Only the government will understand the stuff I'm saying, but that's who this is for. | ||
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I get it. | |
| Sorry, I won't control myself. | ||
| A little bit of glee here. | ||
| Just have a little bit of a mental orgasm. | ||
| Let me stop. | ||
| So he says that only the military understands what he's talking about. | ||
| It's a parallel construction. | ||
| What he's saying is that all of these people are creating this hacker identity. | ||
| In order to have a parallel for the release of the documents. | ||
| Okay, so is he... | ||
| They already have... | ||
| These people... | ||
| He's going to spell it out in the next clip, but what he's saying is that these are good people within the intelligence community who are doing this, but they can't do it themselves with the documents, so they create this parallel construction of this hacking narrative. | ||
| These hackers have done this in order for it to be deflected onto that for their actions, which they need to do because they're good people within... | ||
| Good people within the intelligence community. | ||
| Okay, so his knowing laugh isn't the QAnon. | ||
| His knowing laugh is, I wonder who these people are. | ||
| Obviously, it's the government. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Not like I... | ||
| No, it's the Steve Pachenik counter-Q narrative all over again. | ||
| It's not like he actually knows who these guys are. | ||
| He's definitely implying that he does. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| But he's thinking it's the government, right? | ||
| Good people within the intelligence community. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| At the behest of Trump. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yes, absolutely. | ||
| That is the narrative that he's putting forth. | ||
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Gotcha. | |
| I don't believe his narrative at all. | ||
| Absolutely not. | ||
| That's because it's dumb. | ||
| It is dumb. | ||
| So let's listen to this next clip real quick where Alex just spells it out a little more before we get too deep into it. | ||
| A hacking collective known as the Dark Overlords, or Patriots in U.S. Intelligence, oh sorry, announced on New Year's Eve that it had broken into the computer systems, you mean they had it all day one, of the law firm and obtained files related to the September 11th attacks. | ||
| What did I tell you about a month ago? | ||
| You can go pull the interviews up. | ||
| I said get ready for all the 9-11 stuff to come out. | ||
| He always says that, though. | ||
| It doesn't matter. | ||
| I know. | ||
| Never forget that. | ||
| Oh, but of course, the president's not involved. | ||
| Listen, I'm telling the president and everybody else, release everything now. | ||
| Just battle slay them. | ||
| We need to crush them. | ||
| Avalanche is unstoppable. | ||
| Forget playing games. | ||
| Fire at will. | ||
| Let's go. | ||
| Let's get it on. | ||
| My God, we're on the attack here. | ||
| Let's stop playing games. | ||
| We have them. | ||
| No, you don't. | ||
| So my position very clearly is that this is an extortion group on the internet. | ||
| And they're probably playing with fire a little bit, but they've done that many times in the past. | ||
| They've seemed to be okay. | ||
| That they've avoided detection for this long is spectacular on that. | ||
| Well, hackers are pretty good at what they do. | ||
| You know, like, it's generally, you know, you have a lot of ways to hide your identity. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know, there's very gifted folk. | ||
| But they got the anonymous people pretty early on by turning one of those dudes. | ||
| Right, but you had to find that dude first. | ||
| If you make steps to make sure no one gets detected... | ||
| If you do that in the same way that Lloyds of London said no one came into our... | ||
| We know that because we have a pretty good security infrastructure and we can trace if there's any penetration. | ||
| So either they're the best security hackers or... | ||
| I mean, it's possible. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| But see, the problem there is to avoid detection is switching the game. | ||
| It's far easier to hack people because you're playing offense there. | ||
| You get the first move. | ||
| But in order to avoid detection, then you switch to defense and you don't get the first move. | ||
| It's far easier to hack than it is to avoid being hacked. | ||
| Right, but if you are a collective of hackers, or even just one person who's pretty talented at it, you don't start... | ||
| Doing the offensive stuff without a good defensive position. | ||
| No, of course. | ||
| So that's implied in the act of hacking. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I just want to talk about how Magnus Samuelsson wound up... | ||
| Let's talk about Lord Nikon. | ||
| Policy wonk Lord Nikon. | ||
| Listen, it's irrelevant. | ||
| It really is. | ||
| Because that's my position that this is what the situation is. | ||
| From everything I can tell, from everybody... | ||
| Who I've read talk about this, who has expertise in cyber espionage and that sort of thing. | ||
| That's the position that's being put forth. | ||
| That's what I think is probably the case. | ||
| And the fact that no one seems to be worried about this. | ||
| Yeah, that's a big issue. | ||
| You don't see, like... | ||
| Because if it were real... | ||
| It would have been paid for immediately. | ||
| Or you would have... | ||
| Instantaneously you would have given out. | ||
| Although at the same time, paying an extortioner... | ||
| Only leads to worse extortion. | ||
| It's either going to be more extortion, or they're going to release it anyway. | ||
| It's why you never go along with blackmail, because generally when someone's blackmailing you, if you give in to the first stage of the blackmail, that act will be used as the second stage of blackmail. | ||
| So you just take the hit the first time someone threatens you. | ||
| The real information is far less damaging than the ongoing blackmail. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| So, with that aside, this is just nonsense. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| But, the problem comes when Alex's narrative about it is that it's good guys within the intelligence community. | ||
| Now, we don't know that. | ||
| I don't know anything. | ||
| It's possible. | ||
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Is it? | |
| Nope. | ||
| But in a hypothetical world, it's possible. | ||
| Of course it's not. | ||
| Because we don't live within Bourne identity or whatever the fuck it is. | ||
| But we're living in Alex's space right now, so let's engage with him on his turf. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So if that is possible, that is crazy illegal. | ||
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That is insanely illegal. | |
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Alex is implying that he knows about this, is thrilled about it. | ||
| And Trump is in on it. | ||
| If all of... | ||
| I mean, it's not true. | ||
| But if what he's saying is true, what he's doing on his radio show right now is implicating Trump in a huge fucking national security issue. | ||
| Because these people are offering to sell this information to fucking ISIS. | ||
| So if Trump is behind that... | ||
| Trump has... | ||
| Trump has got ISIS's dirty shit up his asshole! | ||
| I mean, I think really what is going on here is Alex doesn't have a full grasp of the facts. | ||
| He heard that someone is offering 9-11 factual information and all that stuff. | ||
| He got a hard-on and then he's giving it out to everybody. | ||
| And he's starting to, I think, probably... | ||
| He might still be in touch with Steve Pachanek or maybe Roger's doing this. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| One of his dumb assholes who he talks to behind the scenes has created this narrative for him that it's the good guys in intelligence who are doing this because it fits so much into his spy movie reality. | ||
| It fits into just everything that he lives about. | ||
| But here, this next clip is super important. | ||
| Before you go any further, let me just say here's my other kind of thought about this. | ||
| As much and as often as he has tried to jump on the QAnon train and, like, use that to bolster his credibility. | ||
| He wants to own it. | ||
| He's not doing it. | ||
| So he creates his own. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What is QAnon other than Q is Trump and he's releasing all of these documents. | ||
| But that is part of the QAnon stuff, too. | ||
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Right. | |
| That Q is working with Trump or is Trump. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like, even in their world. | ||
| But he's trying to own it. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I mean, we've seen that since. | ||
| I mean, it's been. | ||
| Like, most of this last year, in terms of his Zach narratives and stuff like that, it's always been an embracing of how popular QAnon is on the internet, but never wanting to get in with it because he wants to own it. | ||
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Right. | |
| It's the same thing with his position towards Bitcoin, quite frankly, is the idea of, like, I don't want to get involved with that. | ||
| I want to get involved with MaxCoin. | ||
| Or gold. | ||
| Like, it's just, I want... | ||
| I want the benefit of what makes you afraid and gets you into this thing. | ||
| But I don't want to lower myself. | ||
| I want to own it. | ||
| I don't jump on trains. | ||
| I run them. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| I'm the ringmaster. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| Now the only reason I was barreling towards the next clip is because I think it proves that Alex doesn't know what he's talking about. | ||
| I think it's just that he's talking shit. | ||
| He's found these stray variables that he can work into a narrative and some worm tongue. | ||
| I'm sorry I interrupted you. | ||
| I just wanted to make... | ||
| No, it was a worthwhile diversion. | ||
| I just wanted to be clear on that because I wasn't... | ||
| No, no, I think it was a rare... | ||
| Not rare. | ||
| Rare good interruption from Jordan. | ||
| Medium rare. | ||
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No, no, no. | |
| Put it on the board. | ||
| No, I'm saying it's less than rare. | ||
| It's medium frequency that when you interrupt me, there's a good point. | ||
| But that was a good point. | ||
| Thank you very much, Dan. | ||
| It was worthwhile. | ||
| We can continue doing this for another episode. | ||
| So I just think this is demonstrative that Alex doesn't know the situation. | ||
| He just has a narrative in mind because he says this. | ||
| You know, I can spend about an hour just on what dark overlord means. | ||
| It's not saying they're dark. | ||
| Overlord was the invasion of Normandy against Hitler. | ||
| Overlord means there's good people overlording the darkness. | ||
| It means overriding the dark is what that means if you flip it. | ||
| But he doesn't seem to recognize in any way that Dark Overlord is a hacking organization that has existed and extorted people for years. | ||
| He's not dealing with this in any real way. | ||
| He's acting like it's somebody that popped up. | ||
| Now, something that you sort of obliquely referenced earlier, the idea that Trump... | ||
| He created this extortion outfit as a cover or whatever. | ||
| A few years ago! | ||
| Right, that might be what he would have to go to as his defense, but that's flimsy as hell. | ||
| Where anybody to call him on. | ||
| That's flimsy as hell. | ||
| This is an entity that has existed on the internet, and Alex has never been aware of it, but he now is. | ||
| And he's trying to create this, like, it's all this symbology of the name. | ||
| It's dark, but you flip the dark. | ||
| Which is the QAnon justification cycle all over again. | ||
| It is the same thought process. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| He wants that world so badly, but he can't handle not being the head of it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like, he yells all the time, I'm the head of, I'm behind 9-11 truth. | ||
| I'm the original QAnon, that whole thing. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's, I mean, pride comes before the fall. | ||
| Or after or in the middle of the fall. | ||
| Pride comes a lot of places during the fall. | ||
| It is weird knowing the full context, because were you to not have the full context of his jealousy, pettiness, his need to get attention, combined with the fact that QAnon is far more popular amongst his own fans than even he is at this point, if you didn't realize that, you'd think that he was coming up with a completely normal conspiracy. | ||
| Whereas within the full context, we realize how pathetic and weak bullshit this really is. | ||
| Because QAnon's bullshit is pathetic and weak as well. | ||
| But I think even without that context, you could very easily see how weak this is. | ||
| Just if you understand what Dark Overlord is doing and the history of extortion and all that shit. | ||
| I think you could. | ||
| But most people don't have that context either. | ||
| Well, they could find it with a quick Google search. | ||
| But I think what you add to it from our show and the time that we've spent looking at Alex, you see, even if you take the reality of QAnon out of this, you do have consistent trends of Alex being so jealous of this internet world that he doesn't have ownership of. | ||
| These 4chan places and Reddit, these communities where he's not able to dictate the... | ||
| You know, it's the same thing that he used to feel about the mainstream media. | ||
| Like in 2009, there's so many resentments that he doesn't control the narrative. | ||
| We don't control this. | ||
| And even as Trump was coming into relevance in 2015, there were so many times that him and Owen Troyer would be like, now the mainstream media, you don't control what we're talking about. | ||
| We do. | ||
| That sort of thing. | ||
| And I think there's a snake eating its own tail in some ways in terms of the alternative media. | ||
| That Alex now recognizes that the alternative stuff is also out of his control. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| He also doesn't control that. | ||
| So six, nine months ago or so, whenever he's getting mad at QAnon at the first point... | ||
| He's mad about that because it is that recognition. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But he's never stopped trying to take exactly what QAnon is talking about and make it his shit. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| And he knows better than them. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| The thing that must most infuriate him is the actual Anon part of Q. Because if there was a head, if there was a name, like, for instance... | ||
| Glenn Beck. | ||
| He would not be trying to co-opt it. | ||
| He would be attacking everybody. | ||
| He would find the guy. | ||
| He would be like, this guy's full of bullshit. | ||
| This guy is not the guy you want to follow. | ||
| You want to stick with me. | ||
| The fact that it's a non and there's no one personally for him to attack makes him need to take it over. | ||
| The mystery allows the space wherein he can own it. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Because he can't own Glenn Beck. | ||
| Well, at the same time, he can't insult it. | ||
| He does insult it a little bit. | ||
| He insults the institution of it, but he doesn't insult necessarily the idea behind it. | ||
| He just tries to co-opt the idea behind it with an appearance of elevation. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| You guys, QAnon is steering you down dumb tracks. | ||
| I've got Zack who's totally real. | ||
| You know what's strange to me is his best move... | ||
| To fight against QAnon. | ||
| Well, actually, you know what? | ||
| It's not strange. | ||
| Because the best move to fight against QAnon is to actually go into the history of Q and how it's this book from the 80s and all of these things. | ||
| Also a weird character on Star Trek. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| It's got this whole long history of being full of bullshit. | ||
| Of course, he should do that, I guess, if he wants to discredit it. | ||
| But at the same time, he can't do it. | ||
| Yeah, because it's a Trump-positive entity. | ||
| Yeah, and it's a great conspiracy theory. | ||
| It's a mythology. | ||
| That is so Trump-centric. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Were he to attack that, he would call into question a lot of the other Trump narratives that he has. | ||
| And furthermore, if he starts debunking conspiracy theories instead of joining them, he's fucked. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So, this story, like, big picture. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think we already know what we think. | ||
| You're welcome to disagree with me if you want, but I think we agree it's a cyber extortion ring that is... | ||
| Disagree. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Now that I'm welcome to, I will. | ||
| We kind of see what Alex's take on it is, and what he's saying is really dangerous, only in a sense that, like, when Guccifer 2.0 started to come around... | ||
| no one really understood what it was. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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But then as investigation started to happen, and they started to trace the VPNs and like the, the logins of the person presenting themselves as Goose for 2.0. | |
| And they found that it were, it was like legit GRU offices and like that sort of thing. | ||
| That's when it became like, okay, I'm not saying that... | ||
| This hacking operation is that. | ||
| I have no idea, and I have no reason to think that. | ||
| But I think Alex is playing with fire unnecessarily. | ||
| Because there's a chance that it is a cyber extortion racket, and he's just lying about it, and then good day to you. | ||
| No consequence for that. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| It's fine. | ||
| Hey, you had a great day. | ||
| In the world we live in now... | ||
| Especially. | ||
| It's really risky to associate yourself with people like this or stories like this. | ||
| Oh, yeah? | ||
| Because what if it does turn out that people are able to trace these hacks? | ||
| People are able to trace the people behind it? | ||
| Someone accidentally didn't sign into their VPN one time and you got the laptop where the hacking happened? | ||
| Like, there is a decent chance that it could turn out you are now associating yourself and telling a story about something that links you to a fucking international felony. | ||
| Is it possible? | ||
| Like, I don't know. | ||
| I wouldn't even say it's a decent chance. | ||
| I would say it's a massive, overwhelming chance. | ||
| Because if there was... | ||
| Well, not overwhelming chance that that information will come out. | ||
| Oh, no, no, no. | ||
| But that you will be caught for it. | ||
| Because if there were... | ||
| I'm not suggesting that there isn't some hacker that is the best there's ever been at cyber extortion, but if you're talking about... | ||
| Actual 9-11 is proof documents. | ||
| That means that every fucking hacker within the Chinese government is going to be trying to break it. | ||
| Every hacker in Russia is going to be trying to break it. | ||
| Every hacker in the United States. | ||
| Every other country. | ||
| For every government. | ||
| Not just those two. | ||
| For every single government. | ||
| Everybody they've ever had who is any good at cybersecurity would be searching for this one guy. | ||
| Or, it would also, or, and, both. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And, and, or. | ||
| It would become a bidding war between clandestine... | ||
| Cutouts of all of these governments. | ||
| For sure! | ||
| Everybody would want it. | ||
| No one would want to bid on it. | ||
| So there would be all these various fronts where you would launder weird cryptocurrency through. | ||
| And it would turn into... | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| They'd get a trillion fucking dollars for it and we'd never hear about it again. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| If they were the single greatest hacker in history, maybe. | ||
| There's a 10% chance they can pull this off. | ||
| If they're anything less than that, the combined cyber securities of all the world's governments would probably get to you. | ||
| Because we're recording this on Thursday night on the 3rd. | ||
| We have not seen the documents released yet. | ||
| Well, I've seen pieces of the stuff that have been decrypted. | ||
| I'm sorry, we haven't seen the end of American civilization because we know it yet. | ||
| We don't know how this story is going to play out, and it'll be interesting to see how it does, because there's a real decent chance this is going to be a fart in the wind, and it'll be a nothing. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| Much like the Antifa Soros documents and stuff like that, which Alex will just later bring up as proof of things without ever being anything meaningful. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| But I don't know. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| As a human being, as someone who can only go on the facts on the ground, sure, there's a chance that this proves 9-11. | ||
| Very small chance. | ||
| And if it is, strap in. | ||
| Because we've got a fucked up time ahead of us. | ||
| Well, and the greatest whistleblowers of all. | ||
| We have Snowden, we have Manning, we have Reality Winner, we have these people. | ||
| Their move wasn't secret hacking. | ||
| Their move was being within the very agencies and getting the documents that way. | ||
| Yeah, and that's why the people who... | ||
| Heroically, by the way. | ||
| But that's why the people who are so manipulatively trying to deflect attention from the WikiLeaks and the DNC hacks, that's why Seth Rich is such an important piece of their narrative. | ||
| It's because he would fit that mold of someone inside who was a whistleblower, but they have no evidence of that. | ||
| But that's why they are so disgraceful on that front. | ||
| Sorry for, again. | ||
| No, it's alright. | ||
| As it relates to 9-11, we have this next clip where Alex talks about Trump vis-a-vis 9-11 and how much of a genius he was back in 2011. | ||
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| 2001. | ||
| Trump was not involved in all this. | ||
| He went on television the day after and six days after 9-11 and said there were bombs in the buildings. | ||
| Should we queue it up and play it again for you? | ||
| You probably should. | ||
| So, real quick. | ||
| Trump did suggest in an interview on 9-11 that he thought they were... | ||
| This is a problem! | ||
| Well, what do you mean? | ||
| I just mean that it's strange to imagine that our president is a 9-11 truther. | ||
| Well, he wasn't back then. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And Alex is presenting that he is, because I've gone back and listened to the interviews. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, that's what he's saying. | ||
| But Trump thought that the terrorists had bombs on the planes, because he was suspicious about the idea of... | ||
| The iron and steel girders. | ||
| It wasn't about the idea that the building fell down. | ||
| If you listen to the actual interviews, it's about the penetration into the building. | ||
| He was talking about how the windows were so narrow in World Trade Center buildings, and it was because of all of the iron. | ||
| He's talking about how the building was built from the outside in, in terms of the structure of it. | ||
| There were so many steel beams that they couldn't have wide windows. | ||
| And that's what he was talking about. | ||
| He's talking about the idea that it's strange that a plane was able to fly into it and penetrate those steel beams. | ||
| He suggested that there were bombs, not That there were bombs at the bottom or whatever to bring the building down, but that the planes had bombs also to increase the impact in order to allow them to penetrate those steel beams. | ||
| He did say that in an interview. | ||
| What if they were just flying at 30,000 miles an hour? | ||
| Oh, you bet. | ||
| That's a possibility. | ||
| Let's talk to some fucking aviation and engineering people. | ||
| You can. | ||
| It seems like if you're flying really, really fast, and I don't know a lot about physics, and hey, you know what? | ||
| Maybe this one time. | ||
| Because Trump is a real estate magnate, even though he's a complete failure in a pile of shit, and he doesn't pay his contractors, perhaps he has some engineering that I don't have. | ||
| Or some engineering knowledge that I don't have. | ||
| I bet he does know more than you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But not more than experts. | ||
| I expect that. | ||
| Yeah, I expect that. | ||
| Somewhere in the middle. | ||
| A plane flying 30,000 miles per hour is a pretty good penetrating object. | ||
| I'm not sure that's the speed they're flying, but yes, absolutely. | ||
| It does seem like it would be equivalent to a bomb. | ||
| Yeah, 30,000 miles an hour might be too fast. | ||
| But that statement that he made isn't indicative that he thought that there was some sort of inside conspiracy or anything like that. | ||
| It is just sort of a wrestling with the idea that this happened. | ||
| If you listen to that interview, that is what you come away from it with. | ||
| Oh, also in an interview... | ||
| Why didn't I say... | ||
| 30,000 miles per hour. | ||
| I think you're thinking of 30,000 feet. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| That's like a rocket. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Never mind. | ||
| Also, in an interview hours after the attacks, he said, quote, 40 Wall Street actually was the second tallest building in downtown Manhattan, Trump replied. | ||
| And it was actually before the World Trade Center was the tallest. | ||
| And then when they built the World Trade Center, it became known as the second tallest. | ||
| And now it's the tallest. | ||
| Also for fun, just to be petty, even after 9-11, 40 Wall Street wasn't the tallest building in downtown Manhattan. | ||
| That honor goes to 70 Prime. | ||
| So Trump's building, he was bragging about, wasn't even the tallest. | ||
| But on 9-11, hours after the attack, his response was, well, now my building's the tallest. | ||
| That's definitely not because he's a fucking psychopath. | ||
| Also, a fun fact about 40 Wall Street, he only bought that because Ferdinand Marcos of the Philippines, the dictator, he... | ||
| Trump embezzled millions and millions of dollars from his country and then hid it by buying real estate in New York. | ||
| Nah, come on. | ||
| And 40 Wall Street was one of the buildings that he bought. | ||
| What? | ||
| And then it didn't really work out. | ||
| And he got in trouble about all that stuff. | ||
| Why did he get in trouble? | ||
| And then the building fell into disrepair. | ||
| And so Trump was able to buy it really cheap. | ||
| For cheap? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He was able to buy it really cheap and rehabilitate it as the Trump building. | ||
| And then for years it's housed tons of criminals. | ||
| Tons of criminals. | ||
| So many people... | ||
| Not people, necessarily, but businesses that have been housed in 40 Wall Street have been indicted. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| I don't know if every building in New York has that kind of batting average. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| But their batting average looks bad. | ||
| Also, Trump University, their address was 40 Wall Street. | ||
| That's so much like a horror movie house. | ||
| That's so much like a haunted house where it's like, oh, this corrupt fascist bought it and then died. | ||
| and the ghosts of corrupt fascists have existed and fucking infiltrated everyone who's lived into that building since. | ||
| It's hard not to look at it that way. | ||
| And then the added layer on that that's really fun, and I don't think this means anything, but it's super fucking weird, is that Roger Stone, through Black Manafort and Stone, his old lobbying group, they used to do a ton of work. | ||
| I want a musical called Black Manafort. | ||
| Ferdinand Marcos went down and all that. | ||
| They used to be employed as lobbyists for Marcos. | ||
| God damn it! | ||
| So before all of that, Roger Stone was involved in lobbying for this brutal fucking dictator who embezzled a ton of money and also had a habit, I don't know if you know this, of taking political dissidents in the middle of the night and then dismembering their bodies. | ||
| No, come on. | ||
| Just taking them and disfiguring them and shit, and then leaving them out in public for other people to find as a message about what happened. | ||
| Fucking Mexican cartels? | ||
| Kind of like that. | ||
| Jesus! | ||
| There's a message of what happens if you... | ||
| It was called salvaging. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| He was doing that while Roger Stone was a lobbyist for him, and Roger doesn't seem to fucking give a shit about that. | ||
| And it's interesting that he took this money that he imbezzled and then bought 40 Wall Street, didn't work out, and then Trump ended up buying it. | ||
| I honestly don't think that there's any, like, one-to-one connection there. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like, that somehow Roger Stone... | ||
| Spiritually, there's definitely connection. | ||
| Spiritually. | ||
| I'm not trying to present a conspiracy where Roger Stone was lobbying for this guy. | ||
| He bought 40 Wall Street and then Trump bought it. | ||
| There's a meaningful connection there. | ||
| But it is so interesting. | ||
| It's so interesting that that history is just there. | ||
| It's a coincidence that kind of makes you think that all evil just at least knows each other. | ||
| So we have one last clip. | ||
| And I'll say that I only got about... | ||
| Maybe, like, just shy of two hours into this episode before, like, I was like, I have too many clips. | ||
| Like, if I keep going through this episode, we're just going to end up in... | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| And whatever he says can't be worse than what he's saying already. | ||
| He's already implying that Trump is behind these hacks and all this stuff. | ||
| What are you going to do to more complicate this narrative? | ||
| And so we end with... | ||
| Trump hired a Russian team to pull this off! | ||
| No collusion! | ||
| No collusion! | ||
| So anyway, here's Alex celebrating his coup of some sort. | ||
| He's delivered this narrative perfectly. | ||
| Hurrah. | ||
| This is the stuff that Victory's made of. | ||
| Is it? | ||
| Of course, the president has nothing to do. | ||
| Why just release the documents through Congress? | ||
| They're all crapping themselves. | ||
| Oh, hackers are going to release it now. | ||
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| Yes! | ||
| I'm vibing on this song. | ||
| That's a good vibe. | ||
| I'm going to be honest. | ||
| I'm vibing on that song. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I just... | ||
| This bums me out. | ||
| Not because it's a bummer, but just because I don't like to see this celebration because I know it's so short-lived. | ||
| Yeah, and it's fake. | ||
| It's transient. | ||
| I know... | ||
| I've listened to so much of Alex's show that I can't even be happy for him. | ||
| I know that within a week... | ||
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I don't know. | |
| I kind of can. | ||
| I know that within a week this is just going to become a waypoint for him. | ||
| It's just going to become another little... | ||
| Narrative that didn't work out that he will yell back about whenever he wants to reinforce another point in the future. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| It's a bummer. | ||
| It's a bummer. | ||
| And then I think this is something that we don't talk about a ton generally because it's never as explicit, but what we've talked about a little bit already is that this is such a pathetic attempt to reclaim QAnon stuff that it's... | ||
| It's a see-through bummer. | ||
| I don't know how to put it. | ||
| I leave this cold because on one level I'm super happy about the idea that in the same way that on Christmas Eve Alex said that he told Roger to talk to Assange. | ||
| That sort of thing. | ||
| I feel like this is in par with that. | ||
| He's revealing that someone told him something. | ||
| Were he to be correct? | ||
| This is the biggest crime he could possibly commit. | ||
| But even if he's not correct, he's revealing that someone told him this. | ||
| Someone absolutely is feeding this to him. | ||
| This isn't his own analysis. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Well, at the very least, somebody is telling him that... | ||
| Somebody else is telling him this lie, though, which is... | ||
| Which begs the question of who's telling him this bullshit lie. | ||
| There is something behind this. | ||
| There's someone behind this who is feeding this narrative to him. | ||
| And I'm not sure who it is. | ||
| But it's someone who doesn't have Alex's best interest at heart. | ||
| Absolutely not. | ||
| And I enjoy that on one level. | ||
| But I also don't because there's so little legs to this. | ||
| Like, there's two ways this possibly can play out. | ||
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| Actually, there's probably like three or four. | ||
| But two main ways this can play out. | ||
| And one is these people who are in this hacking collective get arrested. | ||
| That's one. | ||
| Possible avenue. | ||
| The most likely. | ||
| I see that as kind of unlikely. | ||
| Maybe someone in it will get arrested. | ||
| If someone gets arrested, everyone gets arrested. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| That's the way hacking collectives work. | ||
| Possibly. | ||
| I think you're right generally, but who knows? | ||
| That's one possible way this would go. | ||
| Two, no one pays the fucking ransom and this fizzles out. | ||
| A couple of more decryption keys come out. | ||
| That show other documents that don't prove anything about 9-11. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And then the story just sort of disappears. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Or three, they have proof of 9-11. | ||
| Which, wow. | ||
| Which do you think I think is more likely? | ||
| Good on ya. | ||
| Four, they have proof that Hillary Clinton was in the World Trade Center and the only reason that she lost the presidency was because she died in 2001. | ||
| 9-11. | ||
| Hillary Clinton! | ||
| Ghost! | ||
| Number five. | ||
| What's number five? | ||
| Very close to four. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Hillary was in the building, but she precipitated the 9-11 attacks because she needed the circumstances with which she could do... | ||
| The exact necessary pagan ritual in the basement with Linda Bloodworth Thomas, the producer of Designing Women. | ||
| They did a witch ceremony in the basement while the building was coming down because they needed that much loss of blood in order to provide the pagan sacrament that she would be required to have in order to lose the 2016 election. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Number six? | ||
| The elevator was slow, so she got the towers to fall down so she could get to the base faster. | ||
| Number seven! | ||
| Something else done. | ||
| I don't think that there's any legs to this other than propaganda. | ||
| That's the only thing I guess I'm really saying. | ||
| We can clown on stuff and we can have fun, but I really don't think... | ||
| I see a lot... | ||
| failed attempts at things, like narratives trying to be launched and stuff like that. | ||
| A lot of the time we don't even talk about it because who gives a shit. | ||
| But this to me, it just stinks of a zero. | ||
| It stinks of something that only exists to provide fodder for people like Alex. | ||
| 100%. | ||
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| Absolutely. | ||
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These right-wing propagandists. | |
| These people doing it, the hackers... | ||
| They're not doing it, I don't think, in order to be of service to Alex. | ||
| They're doing it because they want that extortion money. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| And so you have two teams working sort of out of sorts with each other. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, they are creating that which Alex needs, but they don't give a shit about that. | ||
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Right. | |
| They want their money, and they'll disappear as soon as the money isn't there. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| So that's kind of what I think. | ||
| The only two thoughts I have on this is... | ||
| I mean, here's the worst part. | ||
| Against all of my better judgment, against my hope that the worst things happen to Alex, I do kind of like that he's happy about this. | ||
| He's been so depressed for so long. | ||
| He's been so miserable, and it's kind of like, look, this is garbage. | ||
| It's not going to go anywhere. | ||
| You really got to quit. | ||
| But I'm glad you got a day, you know? | ||
| This is the danger, though, of living on a prayer, as Bon Jovi would say. | ||
| He's living for that rush of the narrative. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Because the world in its real form is so bad and not going the way he wants, he is forced to demonize Muslims who throw fireworks and stuff like that, or... | ||
| Lionize and make a hero out of Bolsonaro, who's someone who he definitely shouldn't. | ||
| He's absolutely made a hero about a racist, rapist, fascist, murder. | ||
| Bigot, monster. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| Fascist, like someone who literally stands for everything Alex's career should be against. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But white people aren't in play, so he doesn't really care. | ||
| Right. | ||
| He has to do those things because everything is so bad in a real world place for him. | ||
| And this is what's so weird about the world. | ||
| It's bad for everyone. | ||
| Like the LGBT community. | ||
| Everyone is... | ||
| Everyone. | ||
| People in general are having a bad time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Alex is also having a bad time. | ||
| As evidenced by how desperate he is to feel happy about a cyber extortion group. | ||
| They're doing great. | ||
| Heroes. | ||
| At the behest of Trump. | ||
| They must be proof of my grand conspiracy that I have been putting forth and I'm mad that QAnon is kind of co-opting and I must now reclaim. | ||
| The fact that he's there is just like, you're not having fun either. | ||
| We could all be having fun if we worked towards a better future. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So, I don't know. | ||
| I don't know how to put a button on this, but I'm delighted and also sad on equal levels of this beginning to 2019. | ||
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Right. | |
| Here's my button. | ||
| Here's my button. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Dark Overlord. | ||
| My button? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Raspberry. | |
| That's a fair button. | ||
| That's a fair button. | ||
| Happy New Year, Dan. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Happy New Year to you. | ||
| The secret of 2019 is... | ||
| No, the secret of 2019 is Lionel. | ||
| This is not good. | ||
| It's fine. | ||
| I think it's good content and everything, and checking in with Alex and seeing where he's at, but if he's bringing this to the beginning of the year, I mean, there's like seven to ten things we've talked about that he's just way off on, and then his big story is this cyber espionage group as he's presenting it, which is actually an extortion racket. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| A group of kidnappers. | ||
| More or less. | ||
| If they weren't extortion blackmailers on the cybernet right now, they would have been kidnappers in the 90s when Mel Gibson was making movies about it. | ||
| Spiritually similar. | ||
| We probably don't have the balls to grab somebody. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I mean, it's not great. | ||
| It's not a great sign. | ||
| My button is this. | ||
| To Dark Overlord. | ||
| Whether you be a man, a woman, a collective. | ||
| Or your pronoun is different. | ||
| This was a bad idea. | ||
| Because once you start tossing 9-11 around and documents proving that it was an inside job, even if you're lying, a lot more people are paying attention, man. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| A lot more people are paying attention. | ||
| If you're going to cyber-extore it, dude, keep it on the low level. | ||
| The consequences of playing this game are a little bit more than probably you want. | ||
| To reference a Mike Sheehan joke, stick with the mid-level terrorists, you know? | ||
| We got three hostages, we'll give them to you for 90 grand. | ||
| How about that? | ||
| What do I gotta do to get you out of here with a hostage today? | ||
| Like, stay in the... | ||
| Turn into a car dealer. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, stay in the... | ||
| Mid-range! | ||
| That's where you want to go! | ||
| Yeah, this sort of idea of, like, I have proof of the grandest conspiracy at the world's number one superpower. | ||
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Yeah! | |
| What that would give you as a power chip is unbelievable. | ||
| The entire world. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| As a power chip, that gives you the world. | ||
| You now get to choose the next superpower, basically. | ||
| Yeah, essentially. | ||
| That's what you do. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's no way... | ||
| You, as this hacker, get to choose who is the next ascendant power. | ||
| You get... | ||
| There's no way, if you can prove that 9-11 was an inside job, that you don't instantly become the most powerful human being on the planet! | ||
| Yeah, because what you do is that you have that which will destroy the superpower. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| Instantaneously. | ||
| There's no way the news cycle doesn't get destroyed when they find out that fucking G-Dubs and Chaney orchestrated 9-11. | ||
| And when that happens, we'll talk about it. | ||
| And when that doesn't happen, Alex will stop talking about it. | ||
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Yep. | |
| Anyway, we'll be back with another episode. | ||
| But for now, this has been... | ||
| What Alex is doing in the present day. | ||
| Indeed. | ||
| We have a website, knowledgefight.com. | ||
| He's happier in the present day than we've seen him in months. | ||
| Only during that applause thing. | ||
| Only when he's relishing this idea that he has secret information that these supposed inside patriots are doing this. | ||
| Right. | ||
| When they're not. | ||
| It's a fucking extortion racket. | ||
| It is nice to know that... | ||
| He's happy about something that's not real, which doesn't count. | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| The only consistent trend we've seen throughout Alex Jones' entire career is knowing laughter presages him being the most wrong any human being could ever be. | ||
| And him falling ass-backwards into a criminal investigation. | ||
| Indeed. | ||
| We have a Twitter account as well, Dan. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| We're on... | ||
| Our website is knowledgefight.com. | ||
| It is. | ||
| We're on Twitter. | ||
| It's knowledge underscore fight. | ||
| We got a Facebook group called Go Home and Tell Your Mother You're Lionel. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| And you will be releasing the wiki on the 7th. | ||
| I really need to keep... | ||
| I'm going to say this on every episode. | ||
| I believe it's Monday, right? | ||
| I'm going to say this on every episode because there's a part of me that suspects... | ||
| That when the 7th comes, you'll say you're not ready. | ||
| I'm not backing it up. | ||
| I'm not backing it up on that. | ||
| I just needed a tiny bit more time. | ||
| January 7th, the most comprehensive and fucking... | ||
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What other adjectives could you use to describe it? | |
| It's not comprehensive. | ||
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Here's why. | |
| It is insanely comprehensive insofar as no one has ever done this shit before. | ||
| And I'll be goddamned if your false modesty gets in the way. | ||
| This is fucking incredible! | ||
| It is incredible, but I'm only trying to qualify it in a certain way. | ||
| And that is to say that the only things that will be covered when we launch this are the things that we know about. | ||
| And on our show, we haven't covered a great deal of Alex Jones' career. | ||
| So what I would like it to be is a full compendium of everything Alex Jones. | ||
| But we haven't covered his entire career. | ||
| So, did you just Robert Gates me? | ||
| No. | ||
| There are known knowns, there are known unknowns, and then there's unknown unknowns? | ||
| Who are you, Robert Gates? | ||
| Oh, no shit. | ||
| Rumsfeld, man. | ||
| I know, goddammit. | ||
| I assumed he was already dead and murdered by a roving band of people who gave a shit about the world. | ||
| But there are unknowns, whether known or unknown unknowns. | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| And so it would be irresponsible of me to launch into a, like... | ||
| The website and the wiki and all that stuff will cover the information that we are able to cover in a meaningful way. | ||
| But to say it's comprehensive, I do appreciate that, and I think it's comprehensive to some extent, but I don't want to oversell it and say, like, because we haven't covered the Boston bombing, but Alex's stuff is there, and that will be there once we cover it. | ||
| I know. | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| It's frustrating to me that so many fucking... | ||
| The caveat needs to be there for the listener. | ||
| Look, if the Washington Post is behind a paywall, you can go fuck yourself. | ||
| That is fair. | ||
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| That is fair. | ||
| But the information there will be great, and yeah, that's coming on the 7th. | ||
| The only reason that I pushed it back is to celebrate the anniversary, which will be Monday, which is when our next episode comes out. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| We will have our anniversary episode. | ||
| Man, that's a lot of pressure. | ||
| It'll probably just be 2009. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| What if we did a clip show? | ||
| Let's do it. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| As two people who have already on this show said, let's never do a clip show. | ||
| Let's fucking do it. | ||
| Like we would do a fucking clip show. | ||
| It'll probably be 2009. | ||
| Anyway, we would quit. | ||
| Thank you all so much for listening. | ||
| This has been great. | ||
| Thank you to all the policy wonks. | ||
| Enjoy. | ||
| I'll say the Dark Overlord is a hack collective or individual who knows the precise details of it. | ||
| I think that they just extort people. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I don't know if that has ever led anyone to commit suicide for fear of the extortion or anything like that. | ||
| But I will say that they have never committed the act of murder. | ||
| Probably not. | ||
| Never actually physically killed anybody. | ||
| Or at the very least, probably technically not. | ||
| But one guy technically probably has, and that guy is named Alex Jones. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your work. |