Jordan Holmes and Dan Friesen dissect Alex Jones’ January 2, 2019, episode, where he peddled drunken conspiracy theories—like a fake coup against Angela Merkel by neo-Nazis (no evidence) and a $44B China-Taliban mining collusion (debunked)—while ignoring white nationalist violence. His baseless claims about hacked 9/11 insurance documents (18,000 pages, "Clinton-Bush inside job") and Frederick Trump’s Ellis Island quarantine (1885, debunked as 1892 Castle Garden) reveal reckless sourcing and propaganda-driven narratives. Jones’ desperate attempt to co-opt QAnon via "Dark Overlord" extortion tactics—demanding Bitcoin for alleged false-flag proof—exposes his attention-seeking agenda over credibility, leaving listeners with a pattern of unfounded fearmongering. [Automatically generated summary]
I believe Alex does tell a secret at the end of this episode that might plague his year.
But we'll get to that when we get to it.
Last week in the present day, we covered Christmas Eve.
Yes.
And we found Alex talking shit, saying that he told Roger Stone to get in touch with Julian Assange, and then drunkenly throwing a hatchet around his studio.
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Massive Islamic stabbings, shootings, bombings, firework attacks, rapes all over Europe, celebrating the new year by burning down hundreds of cars per city.
Well, for one, in Germany, a 50-year-old man was arrested after he drove his car through a group of immigrants shortly after midnight on New Year's in what is strongly suspected to be a far-right anti-immigrant attack.
Included in the list of those injured by his attack were a four-year-old boy and a 10-year-old girl.
Though the man was of Turkish descent, he was a German citizen, and he was quoted as making several racist comments while being arrested.
From an article in The Independent, quote, The man had a clear intention to kill foreigners, Interior Minister for the state, North Rhine-Westphalia, Herbert Rell, told German press agency DPA.
That was a clear act of racism and xenophobia.
But there was another car attack on New Year's Eve.
This one in Tokyo.
21-year-old Katsuhiro Kasakabe drove his car through the narrow street leading to I forgot to write down the name of the shrine.
It's one of those really important shrines in Tokyo.
This was an act of terrorism, but it wasn't Muslims, so Alex is not too concerned about it.
Kusakabe declared that he had committed this act to protest the death penalty, and he refused to even defend his actions, essentially admitting that he knew he had done something horribly wrong in the name of protesting something he thought was way worse.
It merits covering very when you're going to go on this long jag about car attacks and Muslims stabbing people and stuff like that.
That seems like this might be something relevant to fold into the conversation.
Whether it be this German guy who went on an attack specifically trying to kill immigrants, or if it's this guy who's protesting the death penalty in Japan.
Except the problem is that he wasn't a political terrorist protesting the death penalty.
In general, he was protesting the death penalty as it was specifically applied to members of the Awam cult, who were executed in July for their actions on March 20th, 1995.
They were a doomsday cult who believed that they were the only people who were going to survive an impending global war.
And they were going to build a utopia called Shambhala after everybody else was killed by each other.
But they weren't this kind of like, let's wait and let the war happen kind of cult.
They were a let's also go kill people and see if we can help this war start kind of cult.
In 1990, they fielded a number of candidates for office but lost, which led them to blame a conspiracy by the Freemasons and Jews for their failure.
In response, they began trying to harvest botulism toxin in order to prepare a chemical attack, which they intended to unleash on U.S. Army bases in Japan to trigger a war between Japan and the United States.
This was unsuccessful because they did a really shitty job of harvesting the botulism.
Their leader, Shoku Ashihara, was in a state of disorientation or deterioration at this point.
He began to make his doomsday prophecies more specific, and he published a book called Declaring Myself the Christ.
Interestingly, he began to outline who exactly the enemy was.
And though he'd previously listed Freemasons and Jews, now he was warning of a conspiracy between those groups and the Dutch and British royal families, which sounds weirdly familiar to me.
I don't know why.
I can't think of why, but it seems – I feel like we've touched on this at least – once, maybe once.
They attempted a number of chemical and biological attacks in the intervening years, two of which were with anthrax.
Luckily, the strains of anthrax they acquired were not ones that hurt people, so it was more or less the equivalent of stink bombs.
They were responsible for at least 10 confirmed chemical weapons attacks between late 1993 and May 1995.
But the one that got them in the most trouble was the one on March 20th, 1995.
At the peak of morning rush hour, five members of the cult released sarin gas in the Tokyo subways, killing 12 people and severely injuring 50 more, some of whom died later due to complications from the attack.
Surveys of the survivors found that many of them still suffer from PTSD, and 20% feel unsafe on public transit.
47 survivors have been certified as disabled due to the attack.
The reason I lay all this out is because there's a bigger world out there that Alex wants no part in touching.
The attack in Germany was clearly an anti-immigrant attack that falls directly in line with Alex's rhetoric.
The attack in Japan was carried out by a young man who was protesting the death sentences of members of a doomsday cult that carried many of the same beliefs and enemies as Alex does.
He can't wrestle with these ideas without pointing out substantial problems with his own message and how he chooses to deliver it.
So instead, he aggressively stirs up hatred and fear of the vague Muslim attacks he sees happening everywhere.
And I realize I'm way wrong because in the 60s, Yukio Mishma, the incredible novelist, he led a cult to the prime minister's house, broke in with samurai swords, and tried to install the emperor back as supreme leader in order to get rid of all of the foreigners who would ever come to Japan.
So, I mean, my point here is that Alex is going to spend a good amount of time trying to stir up fear about Muslims throwing fireworks and stuff like that, when in reality, on New Year's Eve, we have a lot more to talk about if you want to look at other events that have happened around the world that maybe are as important, more important.
I don't know.
I'm just saying, you're not looking at the big picture, Alex.
You're looking at your narrative.
Your editorial position is anti-Muslim, and therefore the only stories that you see fit to cover are these ones that you can integrate into that editorial position.
And I think it's lame.
And when I first heard that, I was like, well, at least I'll get to learn a little bit more about this Japanese car attack and tell people about it.
But at the same time, cool, but I was like, this is probably going to be a pretty disappointing episode.
I was like, I kind of see where we're going.
And he didn't disappoint as he starts to talk a little bit more about events in the new year.
They will not allow in public schools the pedophile agenda of sexualizing children, that they're putting in place their own Second Amendment and doing a lot of other really exciting things like pulling out of the global carbon tax.
And as he took office, he showed that to the world.
And anyone paying attention should be incredibly worried.
Because Bolsonaro is very close with the oligarchs in the agribusiness world who are strongly against the idea of protecting land for indigenous populations, he transferred the responsibilities involving delineating what lands are protected from the Justice Ministry to the Agriculture Ministry, headed by someone who has a clear track record of opposing Native communities' arguments on the subject.
Instead of protecting these places, Bolsonaro is moving forward with a program that is in the interest of enriching the agribusiness people while forcefully integrating the indigenous Quilombolas and the native Brazilians into his version of Brazilian society.
In quotes, if this were being done to, I don't know, the Amish, Alex would absolutely flip out.
And I don't need to just predict that he would.
I've heard him constantly go on about how FDA regulations on Amish sold cheese are an attack on their sovereignty.
This is also a direct, you know, all this stuff is also a direct attack on environmentalism, but regardless of who's getting hurt, it's being done to help big business and will likely lead to the genocide of uncontacted tribes in the Amazon.
But, like, even beyond all that, Bolsonaro also removed the LGBT community from the list of concerns and responsibilities of the human rights ministry.
A sign of really bad things to come.
The new human rights minister is an evangelical preacher named Damaris Alves, who believes, quote, the Brazilian family is being threatened by diversity policies.
Crackdowns on journalists are happening, and there's so much more here that is critically dangerous.
We're going to watch the human rights disaster play out right in front of our eyes, and Alex is going to delight in it because behind the human suffering and terror, the stock market went up in Brazil when Bolsonaro came in.
The widely popular opponent Bolsonaro had jailed was a socialist.
And Bolsonaro and Trump seem like friends.
And those three things are really all Alex needs in order to be like, ah, this guy's great.
Because Alex, much like Jer Bolsonaro, is a monster.
Like, it is indicative of things you need to look out for, things to keep an eye on, because it's going to get worse.
And there's going to be humanitarian organizations that need support in order to mitigate the damage that's going to be caused to these communities, whether it be the LGBT folk in Brazil, whether it be these indigenous communities that he's seeking to basically destroy by way of claiming that they should integrate into society.
And so often I don't even respond to it on air anymore because it's so brazen, it's so ridiculous, it's so insane.
We all remember, and you can pull up the photos of Obama going into war zones and some of the troops coming up and wanting him to sign his autograph.
But the left spun it like it violated military code and they were all going to go to jail and people tried to find who the soldiers were and indeed get them in trouble.
I call it the chicken SH you know what T dimension.
That's the term I've coined.
How do you get so low that you're trying to figure out the names of Marines and Army soldiers?
No, the concern here is specifically that when Trump went over and visited these troops in Iraq, his people put out pictures and video of him taking pictures with soldiers and that sort of thing.
And some of the soldiers who were captured in those pictures were members of SEAL teams that you aren't supposed to know where they are.
You remember whenever Obama leaked that picture with him and Hillary Clinton and they were in the situation room watching SEAL Team 6 kill Osama bin Laden?
But I don't understand why the people there didn't stop him.
You know, like, or I don't know.
I don't know who's to blame, but someone's to blame.
I don't, in terms of things about Trump, I don't really care about this one particularly in terms and not because I don't think it could be severe, but because I don't fully understand it.
I understand what you're saying, but I don't really care.
It's too much parsing.
You know, like it's just, and like there's too many superfluous issues.
I think you could go, not saying you, but why could you go down the road of like, well, who cares about protecting these people who's like, oh, sure, it's a specialized job, but it's to kill people or something like that.
Lazy, shitty, ineffectual, stupid words to make him look like he's a valuable critic of the president while at the same time supporting literally every fucking thing he does.
Mitt Romney, you can go put your own fucking face on top of that shitty car instead of your dog.
Let him drive it, you fucking garbage human being.
Because I've heard him make a lot of criticisms of the Chikoms and our various wars.
I don't think I've heard him specifically be like, we should get out of there because then the Taliban and Al-Qaeda are going to blow up Chinese stuff.
We're just there protecting the Chinese mineral interests or something like that.
I don't think I've ever heard him say stuff like that before.
But also, in terms of Afghanistan, it's never been a secret that Afghanistan is very mineral rich.
50-year-old Soviet documents lay out gold and copper deposits.
And in 2010, a more formal survey found that all things considered, there's likely a trillion dollars worth of mineral resources in Afghanistan.
By 2014, Afghanistan had signed a 30-year, $3 billion contract with the Chinese state-owned mining company for their giant copper deposit that they have.
But it also awarded mining rights to their biggest iron deposits to Indian companies.
I can find no evidence of Alex's $44 billion a year number.
And honestly, considering that $1 trillion, that figure, that's not an annual figure.
And the fact that China isn't the only country in play when it comes to strip mining Afghanistan, I find it very unlikely that that number is accurate.
I just can't believe that that's true.
That being said, what's behind this shitty commentary is actually a very important geopolitical question, which is what is the right thing to do in terms of Afghanistan?
Obviously, as it stands now, since we can't rewrite the past, do nothing is a very bad answer.
Because what would happen is most likely that the terrorists wouldn't just start working to impede China's mining operation.
That's an absurd idea.
They kind of suggest that Alex thinks that the terrorists are on his side, which is hard to square with his constant rhetoric about how Obama and Hillary created all these terrorist groups, and they just do their bidding.
I thought Hillary and Obama were in bed with China, so why would their terrorist armies attack Chinese interests if we withdrew from the country?
It's crazy because if his worldview is to be consistent, then up top is the globalists, and they're controlling the ChiComs and Hillary and Obama and all these neocons and what have you who are controlling, puppet mastering these terrorist groups.
So why would they have their tendrils attack each other?
It makes no sense.
Especially when the goal seems to be extracting minerals and making money off it.
You would understand if they fought against each other for the appearance of something.
Assuming that the terrorists will attack the Chikoms, even though the terrorists are controlled by the globalists via proxy, and the Chikoms are controlled by the globalists entirely.
But legitimately, the most likely outcome if we were to withdraw and everything is not so much that these terrorist groups would then get China out of town or whatever.
But there is a decent chance that what they would do is start to take over some of these very lucrative mineral businesses.
If they were to be able to get footholds into industries or parts of the government, that sort of thing in a very corrupt system, they could end up enriching their terrorist organizations much more and thereby become a huge threat to their neighbors.
Yeah, they would.
That's the realistic outcome, unfortunately, of us withdrawing.
Now, granted, there were better plans that could have been put in place to begin with.
But they are totally fine doing business with regimes that are perhaps against even their morals or morals of the world because there's no money, baby.
Sure.
But what China's doing and what they've been doing is employing a strategy of soft power in Afghanistan.
They forgave the country's debts in 2004, and they're constantly working to ensure a relationship of friendship and cooperation.
Many experts have noted that their strategy includes a belief that should the country be lifted out of abject poverty, many of the problems that precipitate terrorism would cease to exist.
Whether or not their intentions are pure is a separate question.
But I think it's safe to say that bombing people indiscriminately and killing civilians isn't a great approach, and it's the one that we've been using for a really long time.
Of course, you have to worry about China's shitty human rights record and their oppressive government.
But in terms of what they have done in Afghanistan, vis-a-vis investing in the natural resources there, it doesn't appear to be an evil plan.
It seems like a better strategy because they aren't.
I mean, I'm sure there's some exploitation involved.
What they're doing isn't necessarily stealing all of this stuff.
They're paying for it.
Yeah, there are contracts and stuff that they're putting in place where they're paying to take copper from the country, which in a non-corrupt system that worked well, what you would have is these businesses come in from out of the country, have arrangements, and based on the resources that are available in Afghanistan, they could end up becoming a very viable country.
Absolutely.
It could be a very stable, affluent country, quite frankly, based on what is there.
But because of the sort of political situation and what has been done to it since time immemorial, it's not.
Okay, so you're saying that on the one hand, we have America that has since 2003 killed millions upon millions of non-combatants.
Millions upon millions, but not even that, but you include sanctions, you include droughts, you include all of the damage that they've done to the economy in general, right?
And then you have China that was like, you guys have a lot of valuable stuff.
What if we paid you for it?
And then when your people aren't pissed off and getting murdered all the time, you'll eventually have a thriving economy.
Then you'll recognize that we were part of the partners from the very beginning.
Now, none of this is to say that I even fully understand all of China's operations.
I could be talking out of my ass.
I have no idea.
But just the broad picture of this is it seems like what we have here is basically that.
And the other thing to be concerned about, too, is if you believe that China is some sort of evil stealing all your stuff, Mr. Steal Your Stuff kind of operation, and they have all these $44 billion that they're making a year in Afghanistan.
If we pull out and the terrorists start attacking their interests, do you think they're just going to say whoopsie-daisy and run back to Beijing?
They're not.
Like, if that is what Alex believes is the case, then us withdrawing will only lead to China getting militarily involved in Afghanistan and probably killing tons and tons of people.
Well, I mean, but at the same time, China doesn't have a history of invading countries, and the only one right now that they're super interested in is Tibet and making sure that everybody in Tibet knows that they're fucking Chinese, and you better shut the goddamn hell up.
They don't have a long history of – and China, I would assume and I would hope and I would think that by now, by now the global community would recognize that going to war in Afghanistan is a bad idea.
We've got four different examples of people going to war and not winning and only making things fucking worse.
There's more than one way to classify information.
And more than one way to declassify it.
And as I predicted, you're going to start seeing very skilled hackers who already have the information, but they're going to parallel construct release all the 9-11 poop on the Clintons because they're involved too.
It's a little bit bigger than that, even in terms of like.
So there is a story that's come out about these hackers, and we'll get into it more when Alex starts to talk about it.
But there's these hackers who have said that they have 18,000 pages of stuff that they hacked about the 9-11 insurance policies and legal cases that have come out of the insurance claims about 9-11.
And they are implying that it's going to prove that 9-11 was planned.
It was all an inside job.
And Alex is running with that.
And there's some reasons he shouldn't run with that.
But then, secondly, in that clip, I think it makes perfectly clear that he's implying he has advanced knowledge of what's in those hacked documents, which no one should have because they're encrypted.
There have been decryption keys that have been released for a couple of the documents in order to show we have something.
The speech that Cuomo gave was weird off, like, I assume he's talking about the radio interview.
No, he's talking about the speech.
Okay.
I would talk about the radio interview where he seemed to preemptively say, like, hey, I mean, yeah, we have a far more democratic situation there, but they're not going to investigate me.
Alex is talking about this speech that he gave near Ellis Island where he was talking, I think the context that I can glean from it, and honestly, if I could do this all over again, I probably would have gone and listened to the whole speech so I could get some context.
Andrew Cuomo positioning himself as a yes, and Fred Trump's father, Trump's grandfather, had to stay three months on Ellis Island in quarantine on record.
On October 19th, 1885, 16-year-old Frederick Trump arrived at Ellis Island.
The thing is that Ellis Island, as we know it, the thing that we know about, the one where it was an immigration center run by the federal government, it didn't exist until January 1st, 1892, a good seven years later.
What Trump arrived at was known as Castle Garden Immigration Depot, which was run by the state of New York.
The federal government had to take over the operation after a ton of incidents of unnecessary deaths, reports of state workers stealing indiscriminately from immigrants, and overall just outright corruption was found.
Castle Garden was the first immigration facility in the United States.
And between 1820 and 1892, an approximated 11 million immigrants arrived and became Americans.
That's over 152,000 per year, or 418 per day.
The story of Trump being quarantined for three months is categorically not true.
Immigration records from that time are very precise, so we know exactly when he arrived.
And Gwenda Blair's 2000 book, The Trumps, Three Generations That Built an Empire, explicitly lays out how mere hours after Frederick Trump arrived at Castle Garden, he met a German-speaking barber who was looking to hire an assistant, and that Frederick began working for him the next day and stayed for six years in his employment.
In the Ebola episode we went over from 2014, we heard him lie about Ellis Island and the idea that all these people were turned away because of all the sicknesses and stuff.
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And we've lost that because we want the sicknesses to come in.
So this is really just trying to enrich his already existing false narrative of Ellis Island being exactly like our immigration.
What he's doing is he's trying to apologize for detention centers.
Like he's trying to present this idea of like, you're mad that these kids are being held in camps, but in reality, they've been doing that this whole time.
When that's not true.
If you look at the history of Ellis Island, how few people were turned away and how quickly people got through and were just, now you're American.
You don't have a good case to make, though, if you look at the reality and you try and use that to indicate some sort of like, it's always been this way about immigration.
But if you create a false reality, you can make that argument.
And that's what Alex is doing.
And it serves his purposes on a second level because then he turns it into like this Trump.
Trump, his whole lineage has come from that really careful immigration proceedings and stuff like that.
Like even the guy who's being a monster to Mexican immigrants and South American immigrants is like himself the product of the rigorous controls that they had to put in place.
The point is, this story about Frederick Trump is 100% not true.
It's very clearly on record.
He got through immigration very quickly.
And it wasn't Ellis Island.
It was Castle Garden because Ellis Island, as an institution, didn't exist at that time.
Which is a second point that I want to make about the idea of why federally run things are often needed.
Because state-run things often have endemic corruption within them, as evidenced by Castle Gardens, and the reason why Ellis Island had to be taken over by a federal organization.
So the state-federal friction there is just one other point I wanted to highlight.
But the bigger point is this story about Frederick Trump isn't true.
And the only place he probably could be getting it from is maybe associates of Trump's or something like that who are telling him these tall tales that absolutely don't match history.
Well, I also tried to track that down, possibly, about trying to find possible sources of where that story could have come from, like the idea of Frederick Trump being quarantined and stuff like that.
I imagine that in the course of the years that Alice Island and Castle Garden were open and all that stuff, I'm certain that probably there were instances of people who were held for a really long time.
They did have some, but a lot of them would have been more diagnostic tests.
Like, it's not like blood work and stuff that takes months or anything.
Would be like, like we talked about, well, like we talked about on the Ellis Island episode, that eye condition that was indicative of a really contagious thing.
Yeah, that was like close to chlamydia.
So, like, there were things that you could do visual tests on, like boils, if you have boils on your body.
Because even that, that innocuous lie that Frederick Trump was quarantined for three months at Ellis Island is in service of white nationalism.
Like, even that, that seems so disconnected from Alex's sort of, like I said, the editorial position that he has is one of anti-Islam.
And therefore, all of the stories he wants to cover and chooses to cover are these instances of a Muslim running over someone with a car as opposed to these other instances of people running over people with the car.
But in reality, it really does undercut a dismissal of the concerns of immigrants who Alex classifies as all non-white and therefore a scourge and a menace coming to America.
If instead of none dare call it a conspiracy, Alex had just watched Feival an American tale, do you think we would be in an entirely different universe?
The clip that he's talking about, or the speech that Merkel gave, was about the idea of like in a larger world, sometimes states have to make, you know, compromises in terms of sovereignty.
It could be described as giving up some of your sovereignty.
It's not like saying the EU army is going to rule over you or anything like that.
In much the same way as pretty much everything Alex lies about, there is like a kernel of truth in it that she was talking about compromises in terms of sovereignty.
However, back in October, a group of six men were arrested for forming a far-right terror cell called Revolution Shimnitz, which aspired to overthrow Angela Merkel.
But they weren't doing it from like a she's a globalist and traitor position.
The name Revolution Shimnitz is a reference to the city Shimnitz, a city that had been the scene of violent protests in the aftermath of a stabbing that was done by a migrant.
The protests more or less deteriorated into mob violence and Nazi salutes were being thrown around very liberally.
Following these protests, members of Revolution Shimnitz began attacking immigrants with glass bottles and stun guns pretty regularly in what prosecutors have described as practice runs for their planned larger-scale attack to come.
They planned an attack with assault rifles and high-grade weapons for October 3rd, the day when Germans celebrate the anniversary of the country's reunification.
The message could not have been more clear, that their primary terrorist motivation was to undo that unification.
The police had intercepted communications and had been watching the group.
And when it became clear that this was their plan, they made their move and arrested the conspirators before they could murder tons of non-white people in the interest of pushing their goals.
These men weren't anti-globalization.
They were literally members of the neo-Nazi scene in Germany.
And it's easy to see where their motivations came from.
And Alex seems to be defending them here, if this is the story he's talking about.
It's the only people I can find who are arrested for trying to overthrow Angela Merkel in the last year.
Well, I mean, maybe instead what they should have done is installed one of those LED ticker tapes, and it just had a constantly updating list of since every death threat.
It's just the names just going alongside there on a constant loop.
I'm certain that there are probably more people who conspired against Akhla Merkel over the years, but this is the only thing I can come up with that seems to match Alex's story.
The numbers aren't right, but the themes are there.
And these are people who are neo-Nazis.
These are Nazis, man.
Like, straight up.
It's not a stretch to say that.
They are people who beat up immigrants and had plans to attack politicians and citizens with assault rifles on the celebration of reunification day in order to help bring in a white ethno-state.
I'm still kind of amazed that anybody becomes a Nazi.
Like, I'm still kind of, like, we're so normalized to it now, but isn't it kind of weird that people still become Nazis?
Especially in Germany.
Like, to a certain extent, when after the first World War, whenever everybody economically destroyed Germany and left everybody so fucked, you know, you're like, well, a nationalist far-right movement is going to arise when everybody's that fucked.
But now everybody's doing so much better and there are still people trying to be Nazis.
Well, I think that you're looking at the wrong axis, the wrong variable thing.
Right.
Because enough time has passed now and there's generational differences that there's probably a lot of people who have been taught that doing Nazi salutes and doing any kind of thing that's adjacent to Nazism is absolutely forbidden.
Do whatever is the most rebellious thing possible.
And like identifying with Nazis is the thing that their culture deems the most forbidden thing.
There is good reason to think that a piece of rebellion could be dabbling in Nazi ideas.
It's not the, I mean, not to dismiss it or make it okay, but I think it's easier to become a Nazi in Germany than it is anywhere else because it is a place where they've dealt with that guilt for as long as they have.
I mean, I guess you can, anybody can deny the Holocaust anywhere.
It just seems strange to deny the Holocaust and say that that's like Nazis weren't bad, but at the same time, actively try and kill people who are Jewish.
Yeah, aren't you kind of just aren't you the very proof that the Holocaust did happen?
Well, but that, see, I agree with you, but the only reason I don't like that is because it seems to put actual guilt on them as opposed to abstract guilt, which I don't care.
Another reason he can't keep track of it is because he would also have to keep track of how many of these incidents happened under Boris Johnson and all of these things in order to compare.
And every time that we've delved into those waters and talked about how he always screams about how there's all these asset attacks, and we go over the statistics and talk about the reality of who are the people who are doing these asset attacks, why are they doing them?
All that stuff.
It never matches his narrative.
He never wants to get into the reality and the individual instances because it's a problem for him.
He just wants to yell about these things in a vague sense in order to make you scared of the idea that the Muslims are winning and that Paul lives in London, Stan.
I mean, it's this, like, you just, it's such a pathetic business model.
And we talk about it all the time, like, obliquely, but, like, it is just, like, it's a strategy that he learned in the 90s working for Ted Anderson as a gold salesman.
These non-whites making neighborhoods is a cancer.
So there's this story about these burning cars on New Year's Eve.
99 burned cars in a city in France.
Which Alex earlier said per city.
It's like, which implies it's every city.
I don't know about that.
So just for fun, because Alex is talking about car burnings and I want to illustrate how easy it is to take any headline or story and use it however you want, I present you with this news story out of Goldsboro, North Carolina from January 2nd, 2019.
Quote, police are investigating what appears to be a hate crime after a Goldsboro, North Carolina family's SUV was set on fire because their daughter, who is white, was dating an African-American teenager.
The girl's mother said that while the family slept, two of their cars were covered with swastikas and racist language, and a third car was set on fire.
In the aftermath, the daughter had to stay with family out of state, and the family had to wrestle with the idea that their child was unsafe because she decided to date outside her race.
Go ahead, look into recent arsons in the United States.
There's plenty of them.
There's Victor Nelson Rosato, who was arrested on December 30th in Midland, Texas, right in Alex's backyard because he set a woman's house on fire.
Interestingly, he was also charged with felony stalking, something he'd been arrested for twice and charged for twice in the past.
The woman who owned the property told officers that Rosato had previously slashed her car tires and vandalized her vehicles and home.
Or how about Loretta Bailey from Manchester, Pennsylvania, whose ex-boyfriend was arrested for burning down her house right after she had broken up with him?
He started out small, just vandalizing her truck on Thanksgiving, which led to her attempting to get a protective order against him.
Ultimately, this didn't work out because he just kept avoiding the officers who were trying to serve him with papers.
And then he burned down her house.
Or there's this guy in Hialeah, Florida, who committed suicide on New Year's Day, 2019, but was sure to set his house on fire before he did.
You see, his girlfriend had recently separated from him, but she didn't feel safe going to retrieve her possessions from his house alone.
So she called the police to escort her over there, which led to them contacting the ex-boyfriend to make sure he knew what the situation was and everything went smoothly.
After getting this update that the police and her were coming to get her possessions, he set his house and car on fire to make sure that she couldn't reclaim her possessions.
Then there was Nicholas Cole, the 20-year-old guy from Albany, New York, who set someone's car on fire on New Year's Eve after getting into an unspecified dispute with them.
Or there's George Husky of York, South Carolina, who was due to turn himself in to begin serving a 90-day sentence he'd received for a domestic violence charge, as well as a charge for illegally carrying a pistol.
Before he went to turn himself in, he decided to enjoy his freedom one last time by burning down someone's house with them inside it.
A further point is that, yes, there were 99 vehicles set on fire in France, but the way Alex is reporting the story is intentionally racist.
His headline on Infowars is 99 vehicles set on fire in migrant-heavy Paris suburb, which is meant to imply that the migrants are committing this mass fire as some sort of a terrorist act.
The story goes even further to make things explicit, saying this, quote, is a perfect illustration of how mass migration and integration has completely failed.
Now, I don't know a whole lot about the Intelligence Fusion, but I glanced over their Twitter feed, and it seems like maybe people who are doing some work, like it seems like they're doing something.
I don't know enough about them to give any kind of decision on them or anything like that.
But looking over their account showed me a few stories they've covered that Alex and PJW certainly aren't getting near.
From January 3rd, 2019, quote, earlier this week, flyers were placed on vehicles in central Ferndale, Michigan by a white supremacist group.
Flyers had messages regarding the need to, quote, take back America.
Or there was a tweet from January 2nd, 2019.
Quote, in 2018, Chicago saw a drop in murders for the second year in a row, with 100 fewer murders than 2017.
Police credit investments in data-driven policing and the creation of strategic decision support centers for the drop.
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Oh, Alex, do you want to talk about how, oh, things are getting better in Chicago?
I have no idea what the Intelligence Fusion's editorial position, but nothing, what it is.
I have no idea.
And I don't know how stringent they are with guidelines.
I don't know.
It would take way too long to figure that out, and there's such a tertiary piece of the story that I don't give a shit.
The point is, they're the only source of actual primary information in Paul Joseph Watson's story.
Now, Breitbart did cover this story, too, and to their credit, they at least did link through to one actual French source, Le Parisienne, which includes the line, quote, in the lot, some vehicles were most likely burned for insurance scam attempts.
This is something that comes up over and over again from experts when we look into the issue of vehicle burnings in Europe in particular.
The vast majority of them are the result of insurance scams.
Alex has every reason to know this, but still perpetuates the idea that this is the work of some sort of group of Muslim immigrants trying to terrorize the public, which there's no evidence to support, even on Alex's own website.
This is a pure expression of InforWar's editorial position of demonizing immigrants, Muslims, and of supporting white nationalism.
You know what I just thought of the way Alex put that earlier, where he's like, these immigrants come in, they lower property values so they can take over.
What he's actually just said is, I know the racism of property values in that just anyone being non-white there lowers property values.
Doesn't matter if their house is the same or different.
Alex is siding with Roger in the Roger Stone versus Jerome Coursey battle.
Jesus.
So for anyone who doesn't know, I don't know if we've covered it on the show or anything like this, but Jerome Courcy has, you know, he's been talking to Mueller, and then it also turns out that he's mad about this, so he's decided he's going to sue Mueller.
Roger Stone initially was very supportive of Jerome Coursey, but now apparently there's been some backstage beef, and the two of them are feuding.
Roger, because he has no other social media put up on Instagram, a really ugly picture of Jerome Courcy and this thing about how he's a snake in the grass.
I mean, if you look at how Roger left the Trump campaign with the idea of him saying that he quit and Trump saying he got fired in order to create the appearance that they weren't working on the same page.
So Alex being Bella and Coursey being the werewolf and Roger being the vampire is possibly accurate.
I was like, I've never seen Twilight.
That is a completely accurate metaphor.
Don't come at me.
I just don't care.
It could be a fake beef.
It could be real.
I'm not charmed by this.
I'm not interested.
Although I am slightly interested in the idea that whatever the situation is, Alex has decided to be like, I'm doubling, tripling, quadrupling down on Roger.
This one time he's a CIA operative, but at the same time, literally everything he said before this moment is still valid and perfect for my narratives.
It seems like Leo Zagami is still a regular guest on Owen Schroyer's show and stuff like that.
So it's like, yeah, you keep them in the baby kennels and stuff like that.
It's like, yeah, you can't have access to the show that people actually listen to.
Right, right, right.
We still want whatever.
This is an indication to me.
And this is irresponsible of me, but it smells like pay-for-play.
Because otherwise, don't talk to them.
If you don't trust them, don't let them on any of your shows instead of like, let's take a little bit less money from them to appear on this show or whatever.
I actually didn't realize he said that, which means that the episode that I started to listen to on the first, where he's going over 5G, was a clip show.
This would be like if we got into this and were like, look at this, Roger and Coursey are fighting.
This means something.
That would be kind of the equivalent of Alex getting into Palace Intrigue of the Trump administration, talking about how, like, we got to get Kushner out of there.
He's an evil influence.
Like, who gives a shit?
All these people are liars.
It doesn't matter if they're fighting with each other or working together.
It doesn't fucking matter.
Who gives a shit?
The only possibility that I see as being interesting from this, and I see no indication of this being forthcoming, is that as they start to fight with each other, one of them could reveal something accidentally.
Right, because Roger Stone and Jerome Courcy are both well familiar with game theory and have decided that the best way for both of them to win is for them to cooperate with a public appearance of a fight.
But I do know that there are texts that have come out between Roger and emails between Roger and Corsi about we need to get Ted Malik to go talk to our friend at the Ecuadorian embassy and stuff like that.
There is coordination between the two of them in the relevant timeframe of the WikiLeaks releases and stuff like that.
There is something there.
Because we don't have all the information, we don't know what it is, and it would be stupid for us to speculate.
It's around when Jerome Corsi became an actual employee of InfoWars as the Washington Bureau chief.
When Alex was pretending he was going to start a Washington branch of InfoWars, there is a lot of stuff that, like, sort of disconnected pieces and stuff like that.
But, like, for us to try and put it into a harmonious hole would require us to make too many leaps that we can't make.
There's something going on, but who knows what it is.
Could be, could be, could be that Roger and Corsi were conspiring to fuck with Alex.
So he thinks that he's doing his same game that he always plays, which is tell what the story is, but what I'm going to say about it is what I'm teasing.
And he says that he's going to be judicious about it and he has to be careful about what he says.
So I'm just going to talk about the story already because I think this is the best way to do this.
On New Year's Eve, a hacker, a group of hackers, calling themselves the Dark Overlord, announced that they had hacked 18,000 pages of emails and disclosure agreements from Hiscox, which is an insurer, Lloyds of London, another insurer, and Hush Blackwell, a law firm, regarding 9-11.
They dropped the encrypted files for download with keys to decrypt a couple of the files, and those ones that they released aren't really all that damning.
This group is saying that unless their demands are met and they're paid a ransom through Bitcoin, they will slowly release more decryption keys to reveal more sensitive information.
They've even invited China, Russia, and even terrorist organizations like ISIS to bid to receive the documents, which should tell you that they're definitely really cool and clearly have America's best interests at heart.
It's a classic cyber blackmail operation, and there's no evidence as of right now that anything in those supposed 18,000 documents actually prove anything.
In fact, Lloyds of London and Hush Blackwell both confirmed that they reviewed their cybersecurity, and there was no evidence that they'd been breached.
They had had a hack in April of this year, but it's unclear if this has anything to do with that necessarily, but it possibly could.
Whatever the reality of this story is, remains to be seen.
But as of right now, there is no reason to report this as coming proof that 9-11 is a false flag.
The Dark Overlord has a history of cyber extortion.
It's kind of what they do.
And it's a representative, a representative of the UK National Cybersecurity Center points out that while evidence of the stolen data is often provided by this group, quote, the volume and sensitivity of the data may be exaggerated to maximize impact.
This is what extortionists do.
They make perceived damage, they make the idea of the perceived damage that will be done by not complying with their demands seem devastating, whether or not what they have lives up to that expectation.
From an article in Forbes, quote, experts agree the material the Dark Overlord claims to have is not as game-changing as it seems.
Ian Thornton Trump, the head of cybersecurity at Amtrust International, says this latest incident sounds like quote cyber criminal bravado.
Quote, the fact that the firms are named, you know, in terms of like Hiscox and that, makes me want to believe that they've refused to pay the ransoms.
So this is kind of just a pressure tactic from the Dark Overlord to force the ransom issue.
That is what cybersecurity experts and people who have studied the tactics of extortionists on the internet.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Do believe.
And so everybody who's actually chimed in on this in like, you know, official capacities, people who know what's going on, are like, yeah, this just seems like a pattern that the Dark Overlord has.
Because spoiler alert, they're a group or a person, it's unclear, who's existed for a long time.
They leaked a season of Orange is the New Black that they had hacked before they held it for ransom.
But it also indicates to me that it is obviously more than one person because I think the character of the different things that they've done over the years have been so different.
It's all extortion related, basically.
But the having the goods or not having the goods has been so variable between different campaigns that it makes me think there's probably some people who operate under that moniker who are like, well, you got it.
You do have the season of Orange is the New Black.
And then there are people who are like, they don't have all of the.
Or they do have things that they hacked from a hospital database or something like that.
So the idea here is that with these 9-11 documents that they have, they're presenting it in a way that is like this will bring down this corrupt system and prove that 9-11 is a false flag and all this shit.
But it could just be that they have these insurance, like it could very well be that they hacked insurance memos and stuff like that from people in like long, protracted court cases that don't demonstrate that 9-11 was fake.
And then you have asking for the money in Bitcoin, which makes you think that if the Dark Overlord is a group, then what you have is probably the lesser part of that group, or maybe the weaker part of that group, because they're asking for it in Bitcoin as opposed to one of these other more safe, more protected, less traceable.
Were someone to be a benevolent hacker in some way and come up with that information and leak it through channels that could vet it and there'd be like an actual I don't know what would it be?
Like it would be unprecedented in many ways.
Like the like that sort of operation that involved like really committed principled journalists and like that sort of thing.
If that were the path it went, I'd be interested in that somewhat.
The fact that it's some unnamed hacker or collective that is looking to enrich themselves and offering to sell this to ISIS, it makes me think like you probably, it's probably a scam.
But that's the flip side of it: let's imagine they do have proof that 9-11 was fake, and someone in the cabal pays the ransom, and then no one ever knows.
I know we're sort of dancing around a ton of issues, but all of them are important in their own way because they're all demonstrative of how if you just critically think about this for a second, there's no way this is real.
There's no reason to suspect it's real because it's being put out by a cyber extortion racket.
So here's the Zero Hedge article, zerohedge.com, up on newswars.com and infowars.com.
This is a big deal.
Not just this story, but how hackers can get into these systems and then use it.
And then the fact that Trump has said, look out, I'll release the 9-11 info on the Clintons and the Bushes.
And Trump has come out and said there's more than one way to declassify illegal spying on me and how you funded the Taliban and Al-Qaeda and now ISIS.
And I've said for a good year Trump should just, through patriots and U.S. intelligence agencies that already have all this, put it out as if they're hackers and then have the cover story that they're putting a ransom out of these companies.
But really, it's just a way to bring attention to it and then release it.
Because they can't release it.
These law firms, no matter what happens, they're not going to release it.
They'll get payoffs in the back, in my view, because you cannot release it.
But if you wanted to change the legacy to a complicated legacy, all it would take is for him to declassify JFK documents that prove that the government was behind it and prove that 9-11, the government was behind it, and then him die.
Instead, he has hired a group or perhaps created a group of hackers, which over the past, which over the past couple of years has been a cyber extortion group that's all at the behest of Trump in order to build a backstory so he can then release the 9-11 was an inside job story through them.
So he says that the current understands what he's talking about.
It's a parallel construction.
What he's saying is that, like, all of these – like, these people are creating this hacker identity in order to, like, have a parallel for the release of the documents.
So is he – They already have – these people – He's going to spell it out in the next clip, but what he's saying is that these are good people within the intelligence community who are doing this, but they can't do it themselves with the documents.
So they create this parallel construction of this hacking narrative.
These hackers have done this in order for it to be deflected onto that for their actions, which they need to do because they're good people within the intelligence community.
So my position very clearly is that this is an extortion group on the internet, and they're probably playing with fire a little bit, but they've done that many times in the past.
But if you are a collective of hackers, or even just one person who's pretty talented at it, you don't start doing the offensive stuff without a good defensive position.
You don't see like, because if it were real, it would have been paid for immediately, or you would have instantaneously, you would have given up although, at the same time, possibly paying an extortioner is only leads to worse extortion.
It's still.
It's either going to be more extortion or it's going to be.
It's why you never go along with blackmail, because generally, when someone's blackmailing you, if you give into the first stage of the blackmail yeah, that act will be used as the second stage of blackmail.
So you just take the hit the first time someone threatens you.
He might still be in touch with Steve Pieczenik, or maybe Roger's doing this.
Who knows?
One of his dumb assholes who he talks to behind the scenes has created this narrative for him, that it's the good guys in intelligence who are doing this because it fits so much into his spy movie reality.
Before we go any further, let me just say, here's my other kind of thought about this: is that as much and as often as he has tried to jump on the QAnon train and use that to bolster his credibility.
Now, the only reason I was barreling towards the next clip is because I think it proves that Alex doesn't know what he's talking about.
I think it's just that he's talking shit.
He's found these stray variables that he can work into a narrative, and some worm tongue is whispering in his ear, this is about the good people at intelligence.
It is weird knowing the full context because were you to not have the full context of his jealousy, pettiness, his need to get attention, combined with the fact that QAnon is far more popular amongst his own fans than even he is at this point.
If you didn't realize that, you'd think that he was coming up with a completely normal conspiracy theory.
Whereas within the full context, we realize how pathetic and weak bullshit this really is.
But I think even without that context, you could very easily see how weak this is, just if you understand what Dark Overlord is doing and the history of extortion and all that shit.
Well, they could find it with a quick Google search.
But I think what you add to it from our show and the time that we've spent looking at Alex, you see even if you take the reality of QAnon out of this, you do have consistent trends of Alex being so jealous of this internet world that he doesn't have sort of ownership of.
Oh, yeah.
These 4chan places and Reddit, these communities where he's not able to dictate the, you know, it's the same thing that he used to feel about the mainstream media.
Like in 2009, there were so many resentments that he doesn't control the narrative.
We don't control this.
And even as Trump was coming into relevance in 2015, there were so many times that him and Owen Schroyer would be like, now the mainstream media, you don't control what we're talking about.
And I think there's a snake eating its own tail in some ways in terms of the alternative media that Alex now recognizes that the alternative stuff is also out of his control.
The thing that must most infuriate him is the actual Anon part of Q. Because if there was a head, if there was a name, like, for instance, Glenn Beck, he would not be trying to co-opt it.
He would be attacking everybody.
He would find the guy.
He would be like, this guy's full of bullshit.
This guy is not the guy you want to follow.
You want to stick with me.
The fact that it's a non and there's no one personally for him to attack.
You know what's strange to me is his best move to fight against QAnon.
Well, actually, you know what?
It's not strange.
Because the best move to fight against QAnon is to actually go into the history of Q and how it's this book from the 80s and all of these things tracking.
And what he's saying is really dangerous, only in a sense that, like, if like when Goosefer 2.0 started to come around, no one really understood what it was.
Yeah.
But then as investigations started to happen, they started to trace the VPNs and the logins of the person presenting themselves as Goosefer 2.0, and they found that it was in legit GRU offices and that sort of thing.
That's when it became like, okay, this is a cutout for.
I'm not saying that this hacking operation is that.
I have no idea, and I have no reason to think that.
But I think Alex is playing with fire unnecessarily.
Because there's a chance that it is a cyber extortion racket, and he's just lying about it, and then good day to you.
Because what if it does turn out that people are able to trace these hacks?
People are able to trace the people behind it.
Someone accidentally didn't sign into their VPN one time and you got the laptop where the hacking happened.
There is a decent chance that it could turn out you are now associating yourself and telling a story about something that links you to a fucking international felony.
I'm not suggesting that there isn't some hacker that is the best there's ever been at cyber distort at cyber extortion.
But if you're talking about actual 9-11 is proof documents, that means that every fucking hacker within the Chinese government is going to be motherlow.
Yeah, is going to be trying to break it.
Every hacker in Russia is going to be trying to break it.
We don't know how this story is going to play out, and it'll be interesting to see how it does because there's a real decent chance this is going to be a fart in the wind, and it'll be a nothing much like the Antifa Soros documents and stuff like that, which Alex will just later bring up as proof of things without ever being anything meaningful.
Of course, but I don't know.
I don't know.
As a human being, as someone who can only go on the facts on the ground, sure, there's a chance that this proves 9-11.
But Trump thought that the terrorists had bombs on the planes because he was suspicious about the idea of the iron and steel girders.
It wasn't about the idea that the building fell down.
If you listen to the actual interviews, it's about the penetration into the building.
He was talking about how the windows were so narrow in World Trade Center buildings, and it was because of all of the iron.
He's talking about how the building was built from the outside in terms of the structure of it.
There were so many steel beams that they couldn't have wide windows.
And that's what he was talking about.
He was talking about the idea that it's strange that a plane was able to fly into it and penetrate those steel beams.
He suggested that there were bombs, not that there were bombs at the bottom or whatever to bring the building down, but that the planes had bombs also to increase the impact in order to allow them to penetrate those steel beams.
He did say that in an interview.
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But I would say they were flying at 30,000 miles an hour.
It seems like if you're flying really, really fast, and I don't know a lot about physics, and hey, you know what?
Maybe this one time, because Trump is a real estate magnet, even though he's a complete failure in a pile of shit, and he doesn't pay his contractors, perhaps he has some engineering that I don't have, or some engineering knowledge that I don't have.
Also, in an interview hours after the attacks, he said, quote, 40 Wall Street actually was the second tallest building in downtown Manhattan, Trump replied.
And it was actually before the World Trade Center, it was the tallest.
And then when they built the World Trade Center, it became known as the second tallest.
And now it's the tallest.
Also, for fun, just to be petty, even after 9-11, 40 Wall Street wasn't the tallest building in downtown Manhattan.
That honor goes to 70 Prime.
So Trump's building, what he was bragging about, wasn't even the tallest.
But on 9-11, hours after the attack, his response was, well, now my building's the tallest.
Also, a fun fact about 40 Wall Street, he only bought that because Ferdinand Marcos of the Philippines, the dictator, he embezzled millions and millions of dollars from his country and then hid it by buying real estate in New York.
And then the added layer on that that's really fun, and I don't think this means anything, but it's super fucking weird, is that Roger Stone, through Black Manafort and Stone, his old lobbying group, they used to do a ton of work.
Before that, before Ferdinand Marcos went down and all that, they used to be employed as lobbyists for Marcos.
Damn it.
So before all of that, Roger Stone was involved in lobbying for this brutal fucking dictator who embezzled a ton of money and also had a habit, I don't know if you know this, of like taking political dissidents in the middle of the night and then dismembering their bodies.
Like just taking them and like disfiguring them and shit, and then leaving them out in public for other people to find as a message about what happened.
But like, I don't think that I'm not trying to present a conspiracy where like Roger Stone was lobbying for this guy Wall Street and then Trump bought him.
I know that within a week, this is just going to become a waypoint for him.
It's just going to become another little narrative that didn't work out that he will yell back about whenever he gets to reinforce another point in the future.
Of course.
It's a bummer.
It's a bummer.
And then I think this is something that we don't talk about a ton generally because it's never as explicit.
But what we've talked about a little bit already is that this is such a pathetic attempt to reclaim QAnon stuff that it's a see-through bummer.
I don't know how to put it.
It's just.
I leave this cold because on one level, I'm super happy about the idea that in the same way that on Christmas Eve, Alex said that he told Roger to talk to Assange.
Well, at the very least, somebody is telling him that somebody else is telling him this lie, though, which is which begs the question of who's telling him this bullshit lie.
Four, they have proof that Hillary Clinton was in the World Trade Center, and the only reason that she lost the presidency was because she died in 2001, 9-11.
Hillary was in the building, but she precipitated the 9-11 attacks because she needed the circumstances with which she could do the exact necessary pagan ritual in the basement with Linda Bloodworth Thomas, the producer of Designing Women.
Naturally, they did a witch ceremony in the basement while the building was coming down because they needed that much loss of blood in order to provide the pagan sacrament that she would be required to have in order to lose the 2016 election.
I don't think that there's any legs to this other than propaganda.
That's the only thing I guess I'm really saying.
Like, we can clown on stuff and we can have fun.
But I really don't think I see a lot of the world and I see a lot of failed attempts at things like narratives trying to be launched and stuff like that.
A lot of the time we don't even talk about it because who gives a shit?
But this to me, it just stinks of a zero.
It stinks of something that only exists to provide fodder for people like Alex.
One of his conservative propagandists.
These right-wing propagandists.
These people doing it, the hackers, they're not doing it, I don't think, in order to be of service to Alex.
They're doing it because they want that extortion money.
This is the danger, though, of living on a prayer, as Bon Souvi would say.
He's living for that rush of the narrative.
Because the world in its real form is so bad and not going the way he wants, he is forced to demonize Muslims who throw fireworks and stuff like that, or lionize and make a hero out of Bolsonaro, who's someone who he definitely shouldn't.
Whether you be a man, a woman, a collective, or your pronoun is different.
This was a bad idea.
Because once you start tossing 9-11 around and documents proving that it was an inside job, even if you're lying, a lot more people are paying attention, man.
The only consistent trend we've seen throughout Alex Jones' entire career is knowing laughter presages him being the most wrong any human being could ever be.
And so it would be irresponsible of me to launch into a like the website and the wiki and all that stuff will cover the information that we are able to cover in a meaningful way.
But to say it's comprehensive, I do appreciate that.
And I think it's comprehensive to some extent, but I don't want to oversell it and say, like, because we haven't covered the Boston bombing, I know Alex and Steve is there, and that we will, that will be there once we cover it.