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#227: March 23, 2009

Today, Dan and Jordan continue examining Alex Jones' path through 2009. He's been completely obsessed with dishonestly portraying "the patriots" as being under attack from all sides, and this episode is nothing if not a continuation of that trend. Also, apparently G.I. Joe is "Globalist propaganda."

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a
alex jones
11:43
d
dan friesen
42:10
j
jordan holmes
17:50
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pastor david manning
00:02
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Speaker Time Text
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
alex jones
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Indeed we are.
Dan?
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Dan?
dan friesen
Yes, sir.
jordan holmes
How are we going to live?
How are we going to live?
How are we going to make it?
What do we do?
Like, how are we going to make it through this?
No, I need an answer.
This is a really important question.
dan friesen
I really thought you were trying to do a song lyric, and I was going through my brain.
I'm like, what is this a reference to?
And the only thing I could come up with is that Daniel Bedingfield song that Gotta get through this!
Gotta make it through!
That techno song?
jordan holmes
You know what?
I was thinking more of Danny Schmidt with This Too Shall Pass.
dan friesen
Natasha Bedingfield's brother, Daniel Bedingfield, with one hit from the...
Early 2000s.
jordan holmes
I do not know either of those names.
dan friesen
Yeah, you do.
Natasha Benningfield had that song.
unidentified
These words are my own from my heart flown.
What?
dan friesen
I love you, I love you, I love you, I love you.
jordan holmes
What is that song?
I have never heard that song before in my life.
dan friesen
That was one of her big hits.
And then, I got a pocket, got a pocket for the sunshine.
I got a love and a dope and it's all I am.
jordan holmes
How is that a hit?
That sounds terrible.
dan friesen
It was a third hit off that album that I can't remember what it was.
But then she had that song, Strip Me.
If you strip me, strip it all away.
jordan holmes
I already told you I don't know either name.
The songs you're reaching for, I have never heard before in my life.
dan friesen
Natasha Bedingfield's got some bangers.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
So this is a podcast where I know a lot about Natasha Bedingfield and her brother a little bit.
And a lot about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Nothing about any of this stuff!
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
That is where we find our fun.
Jordan, today we've got a fun-ish, plenty of fun, adventure back into 2009.
jordan holmes
Alright.
dan friesen
We are back in the past.
to pay a visit to Alex Jones and see what was going on in his world as he descends further into Tea Party adjacent territory and develops narratives that will linger for years to come.
I think that was a pretty fucking good read.
jordan holmes
That was a great read.
dan friesen
Off the top of my head, pretty good read.
jordan holmes
That was a great read.
dan friesen
But before we get into today's show, I'd like to take a little moment to say thank you to someone who has taken their donation and bumped it up a little bit.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
We appreciate it oh so very much.
David L., you are now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
Call home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
pastor david manning
Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
alex jones
Daddy Shark.
Bop, bop, bop, bop, bop.
Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
He's a loser little titty baby.
I don't want to hate black people.
I renounce Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
Thank you, David.
jordan holmes
You know, in the context of our...
Also, thank you, David.
Sorry, I got distracted immediately.
In the context of our last episode, in regards to how he feels about accents, how does he feel about a Caribbean black accent?
Does he give a take on it?
dan friesen
Oh, he doesn't like it.
jordan holmes
He doesn't like it?
dan friesen
I'm not sure if he doesn't like...
I think he thinks Jar Jar Binks' accent is terrible, but he's like, why would there be something like this in space?
That's kind of his...
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
There would not be a pseudo-Jamaican out in the galaxy.
I know this to be sure.
jordan holmes
Tons of British people, though.
dan friesen
Of course.
He doesn't seem to want to complain about that.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
British people in space.
Everybody knows that.
I watch Doctor Who.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
It's great.
jordan holmes
Jodie Whittaker is doing a fantastic job, by the way, Dan.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
I know this is important to you.
dan friesen
Very much.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So last we left Alex in the past, we were seeing all these established...
It almost seems like every single day...
He has a new weird thing that he is using to prove that the government is oppressing the Patriots.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
We had the MIAC report, which is his biggest piece of proof, which is...
Utter horse shit.
jordan holmes
Which definitely wasn't retracted.
dan friesen
No.
We have all sorts of other little things that pop up that he's trying to sort of create a tapestry of oppression for himself and his compatriots.
unidentified
Man, you are reading like a motherfucker right now.
jordan holmes
You are bringing it like Natasha Bedingfield.
dan friesen
These words are my own.
I'm not even reading off anything.
These are just...
I am full of poetry.
jordan holmes
You're just off the dome.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And so it's interesting to see today we're going to be going over the March 23rd, I believe.
Yeah, March 23rd, 2009 episode.
And what's super fascinating to me is like every single day there is something new that's being added to this larger narrative that sort of it all branches out from the Mayak report where he's using it to argue that they're saying that people like me and supporters of Ron Paul are terrorists, which is a misunderstanding of the text.
And so there's just new leaves growing on the branches every day.
And we get one today that Alex is declaring classical terrorism.
alex jones
It's like we're Iraq or Afghanistan.
We're occupied.
But to then get an internal secret army document where they specifically talk about, in the Fed in Texas, the protest of last November.
New one's coming up in April.
38 locations across the country.
Ron Paul was down in Houston protesting the Fed at a park across the street.
His brother, Wayne Paul, was with us in Dallas.
Wayne Paul?
And specifically, they had the army in plainclothes out watching us.
Now, that's the crime.
That is the terrorism.
That is the secret police.
jordan holmes
Posse commentators.
alex jones
Those that don't know what East Germany was like, or Communist China still today, or what Cuba's like, or Soviet Russia.
I mean, this is so anti-freedom.
This is 180 degrees from freedom.
This is classical tyranny.
dan friesen
So, Alex has gotten this document.
jordan holmes
As opposed to Baroque tyranny.
When Bach was...
dan friesen
Or Rococo tyranny.
Yeah, absolutely.
Alex has got this report.
There's an army report that he's got.
And he's going to get into it in a little bit, and we'll discuss it at that point.
But suffice it to say for now, none of this stuff is true.
Right.
Except he was hanging out with Ron Paul's brother.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
That is true.
jordan holmes
Wayne Paul.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
And also, this report doesn't specifically mention the Texas and the Fed thing.
As much as it lists all the cities.
That they had protests in.
And Austin is one of them.
In a list of like 40 cities in one paragraph.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
Alex is trying to claim some sort of thing like they were targeting us.
It just said Austin in there.
So we'll get into the bullshit of this a little bit down the line.
But we have to take the show as Alex speaks.
jordan holmes
I like him saying like, they had plainclothes military out there watching us.
Like, you realize that...
The military, like, they don't always have to wear uniforms.
Like, they could just be people sometimes.
dan friesen
Someone who's in the military could be there to be a part of the protest.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they could just put on clothes like people and just go to the protest.
Like, that's fine.
dan friesen
Or further, I don't trust Alex to know the difference between a plainclothes person and a plainclothes military person.
I think that he would assume anybody who maybe doesn't act the way he does, that's gotta be, that's a fed.
jordan holmes
I will tell you how you can figure it out.
dan friesen
How's that?
jordan holmes
The cut of their jib, Dan.
dan friesen
Sure.
Sure.
Fair enough.
jordan holmes
If you don't like the cut of their jib, military.
dan friesen
Definitely.
jordan holmes
Truth.
dan friesen
So, in his next clip, Alex complains that he's the only normal person left.
And then brags about all sorts of other bullshit.
alex jones
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
About how his sight is the best.
jordan holmes
His sight is the best.
alex jones
And then people snicker and joke and go, oh, that's not happening, Alex.
Just like when we put the MIAC report out, it was fake.
I just made it up.
Like when I, two months before 9-11, I said they're going to attack the World Trade Center, get the word out, they're going to blame it on their asset.
Bin Laden, oh, Alex, shut up, you're crazy.
jordan holmes
It's also Bin Laden said.
alex jones
I was going to infiltrate Bohemian Grove.
People laughed at that, and I did it.
And it isn't so much that I'm some special or wonderful can-do person.
It's that other people have lost or never learned to have a belief in themselves or to realize just what powerful creatures we all are.
You just don't have any initiative.
jordan holmes
So doesn't that mean you think you're special?
alex jones
You can't imagine that I have this initiative.
But the proof is in the pudding.
Number one, alternative media website, Infowars.com.
Number one.
All the rating services.
Alexa, you name it.
dan friesen
You name it.
jordan holmes
What is that?
Did he define alternative news?
dan friesen
Nope, you bet he didn't.
I don't know if they do either.
I don't know.
Look, who gives a shit?
He's in the best market.
He's so good at that.
The brags that mean nothing.
We are the number one crazy cuckoo studying website podcast in the world.
jordan holmes
We are.
dan friesen
We are.
Prove we're not.
jordan holmes
Are we not?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
I don't think we are.
dan friesen
Probably not.
jordan holmes
I think we're the number one Alex Jones studying podcast.
dan friesen
It depends on if you count Alex Jones' own podcast as an Alex Jones podcast because then we might be number two.
jordan holmes
That's true.
Might be.
Might be.
At this point in time, there's a might that could be involved there.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Alex is just a normal person, and you believe yourself to not be as good as a normal person, and therefore you think he's special, but it's really just sort of like that thing of Jesus saying, you will do what I do and more.
That's what he's trying to convey to his flock.
You can do everything I can do, but I just know I can do it, and you guys are blind.
jordan holmes
And who would even think that Jesus thought he was some sort of special person?
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
What makes him different from the rest of us?
dan friesen
Right, right.
jordan holmes
Is there any difference?
dan friesen
Also, small point, the expression is the proof of the pudding is in the eating.
But that's just a small grape.
Anyway, in this next clip...
jordan holmes
Actually?
I do think that people, it's like a regional colloquialism.
People do say the proof is in the pudding.
dan friesen
No, I know, but that's the wrong use of the expression.
It's much like people say it begs the question.
That's an inappropriate turn of phrase.
Begging the question is a logical fallacy.
You should say it raises the question.
Same thing, the proof is in the pudding.
Doesn't make sense.
The proof of the pudding is in the eating does make sense.
jordan holmes
I don't understand how that doesn't make sense.
The proof is in the pudding.
dan friesen
What does that mean?
There's proof in that pudding?
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Proof of what?
jordan holmes
It tastes good.
Or it doesn't taste good.
dan friesen
Fuck you.
jordan holmes
The proof of that is in the eating.
Wait, you can't assume that the eating is there?
dan friesen
The proof of whether or not the pudding is good is in the eating.
jordan holmes
The simple fact that you're talking about the proof being in the pudding implies that you are eating it.
dan friesen
Bullshit.
jordan holmes
What are you doing?
It's sticking your hand in there to find the key that's going to get you out of prison?
dan friesen
Could be.
jordan holmes
That could be.
dan friesen
There's a whole lot of things you can do with pudding.
jordan holmes
Well, I'll tell you how we know.
dan friesen
You can use it as a salve.
jordan holmes
I'll tell you.
Tell you how we can figure it out.
dan friesen
How?
jordan holmes
The proof would be in the pudding?
dan friesen
In the eating of the pudding.
Anyway, the proof of Alex's lack of principles is in the eating of this next clip.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Where he describes two politicians that are up to some good stuff.
alex jones
And these criminals swagger around Washington.
Everyone bows down to them when they go to the committee hearings.
jordan holmes
They do swagger around in Boston.
alex jones
Now people like Senator...
Oh, what's the senator?
We played the clip.
Senator Sanders, people like Congressman Ron Paul, so many others are confronting him and not kissing up to them, and their aura of godlikeness is beginning to wear thin.
dan friesen
So he's got these globalist bankers who are swaggering around, and the two people he's saying are standing up to them are his favorite person in the world and Bernie Sanders.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Who he knows at this point is a socialist, because Ron Paul has been on Alex's show just a couple days ago.
jordan holmes
And called him a socialist!
dan friesen
Yes!
Alex knows everything he needs to know to, in 2009, be doing his, I'm Bernie Sanders, boo-boo-boo-boo impression, but he's counting him as a contemporary of Ron Paul in terms of standing up to the globalists.
So, his...
jordan holmes
The enemy of my enemy is my friend, Dan.
dan friesen
But he can't think that, because...
By definition, since he's a socialist, he has to be his enemy.
Because socialism is really only communism, and communism is really just trying to get authoritarianism to take hold in our country.
He can't believe that there are good socialists.
unidentified
Yeah, but the enemy of my enemy could be my enemy.
jordan holmes
But it doesn't need to be my enemy right now.
dan friesen
It could be my friend.
By default, he has to believe that...
Bernie Sanders, as a socialist, is in league with the globalists.
jordan holmes
Well, sure he's in league with the globalists, and the globalist's plan is to use the Fed to destroy us, but he's controlled opposition, Dan.
Whereas Ron Paul, he's uncontrolled opposition.
dan friesen
That's even worse if he's advocating for someone who's controlled opposition.
I don't even want to unpack that.
That would be a terrible look for Alex.
Anyway.
It's just weird.
It's just weird.
jordan holmes
He's an opportunist.
Opportunist?
dan friesen
Opportunist.
jordan holmes
He's an opportunist.
dan friesen
So here is Alex talking about these army docs that he got, and it's really interesting the way he is describing them, because I'm not positive that he's done a deep reading of these documents.
jordan holmes
Oh, you don't think so?
alex jones
I almost don't want to say this on air, because I don't want higher-ups to realize what's really going on here, but I think they're smart enough to know what's going on, so it's no secret.
jordan holmes
That doesn't make sense.
alex jones
The way this army document was written...
jordan holmes
On a typewriter.
alex jones
...is a form of PSYOP rebellion against the government.
And I'm going to go over this later in the show in detail.
jordan holmes
That's why they used a typewriter.
alex jones
It is written with respect.
It is written for honor of those of us protesting the private Federal Reserve.
It is written to wake up the military and police to the tyranny of the Federal Reserve.
But it follows its order.
To liaison with local FBI and police, and to, at the bottom of the page, basically say we can be involved in terrorism.
So this is a reverse double PSYOP.
I don't know the proper term, the triple cross on the enemy here.
dan friesen
All right.
jordan holmes
Counter, counter coup, Dan!
dan friesen
Yeah, so I guess we'll talk about this, because this is maybe like 12 minutes into the episode or so.
And Alex doesn't actually get into talking about this story until about the two-hour point.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
He just talks vaguely about what it is and doesn't actually...
jordan holmes
Well, it's a reverse double PSYOP.
dan friesen
Right.
So the document that Alex is referring to on this show is a document titled Force Protection Advisory 09-01 dated November 17, 2008.
jordan holmes
That is an exciting title.
dan friesen
Yeah.
It's really funny that Alex says the report was written with respect to the Patriots and that it was a triple cross on the establishment because if you take one look at the report, you can tell...
The report says things like, quote, The thing is...
jordan holmes
What happens next in the document?
dan friesen
It's very clear from the context that this is a report quoting from endthefed.us, which is linked at the end of the same paragraph.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
So all of the stuff that Alex is saying is like, this is written with respect to the Patriots.
It's stuff that they took off the end of the Fed website to give context to what these protests are.
The report is super fair to the and the Fed people and just describes them as they describe themselves, mostly through quoting.
The only purpose this serves is written out in the first paragraph.
Quote, this message provides situational awareness and recommended mitigation measures.
All it is is a report that's going out to provide the awareness of the situation of this to people who may be in cities where these protests are going on.
Alex is insisting...
This document proves that there was targeted harassment campaigns from the Army regarding his and the Fed activities, but I fail to see proof of that in this document at all.
It does tell those reading to, quote, be aware of their environment at all times, and it advises them not to retaliate to verbal assaults.
It says that commanders should have relationships with local law enforcement to understand threats, because anytime there are large gatherings like this, there are threats, not just from the protesters, but towards them as well.
So these sorts of large gatherings of people are things that are absolutely things that you should have on your radar.
You know, it's not necessarily all that weird for that.
The report doesn't say anything specific about the army going to surveil the protests at all.
So I wanted to get a little more information on this type of report.
I found a few others of this same variety, the Force Protection Advisory, and they shed light on exactly what this report is.
From a 2016 Force Protection Advisory.
This advisory is to provide situational awareness for all DOD personnel who might find themselves in the vicinity of any of these protests, planned or spontaneous.
There are planned protests coming up, and the Navy want to remind all Department of Navy service members, civilian employees, and their family members are reminded that large gatherings of this nature can turn violent at a moment's notice.
These documents are called Force Protection Advisories because they offer advice on protection of the forces.
It has nothing to do with troops being sent out to watch the Patriots.
It has to do with what potential dangers large groups of people coming together could create.
If you read this document correctly, there's zero indication that this was written for any Army members who are being sent to surveil the protests, and a very strong indication that it's about preparing members and communities for a possible worst-case scenario.
Things like telling people not to retaliate to verbal assault is for army members who might happen to be at the protests organically.
Things like the report advising commanders to use random anti-terrorism measures is in reference to operations on and around army bases, not at the protests.
They're talking about routines that the army engages in on the bases in these cities, not in...
jordan holmes
Wait, so what they're saying is that rather than stick to the routine, you should randomize it.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
That way they can't observe it and then plan based upon your routine.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
During these circumstances, no matter what, if there's a large protest in your city...
Then what you should do is randomize some of the routines in order so no one can plan anything.
It's a purely defensive strategy that's being...
It's clear in context that this isn't something that could be done at the protest at all.
jordan holmes
So they're trying to say that they don't want any plainclothes, non-military people surveilling them.
dan friesen
Well, there's that.
jordan holmes
So it is a double, triple cross.
dan friesen
Well, there's that, for sure.
But then there are also, like, all of the possible plainclothes people that this could relate to would not be on duty.
jordan holmes
Otherwise known as people.
dan friesen
Right.
The report goes on to say, quote, report all potential protest activities to the Army Reserve Operations Center.
But this isn't telling people to report all protesting.
That would be fucking absurd.
It's saying that if you're in the Army and you're going to the protests, tell HR.
That sort of thing.
That's all that this report is.
I've looked at other reports of this nature.
Alex is just taking basically a human resources memo, finding the little pieces like, oh, it says anti-terrorist measures.
They think we're terrorists.
That sort of thing.
He's taking all of it out of context in order to add another leaf to his tree of government oppression.
It's pathetic.
It's crazy.
jordan holmes
I would be interested to...
As to whether or not, though, you would want to report it to HR.
You know what I'm saying?
If you are in the military and you're going to one of the women's marches, would you want the brass to know?
unidentified
You know what I'm saying?
jordan holmes
It seems like there is a pretty aggressive anti...
Dissent campaign within the military.
dan friesen
I feel like there might be something to that.
The only way I look at it that I think it would be productive is like, let's say you are at one of those protests and something does pop off.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
Then having some sort of like, I was there of my own volition or something like that, that could be useful paperwork to have on record.
unidentified
For sure.
dan friesen
But I don't know.
I'm not enlisted.
I don't know enough about the bureaucracy of...
jordan holmes
I don't know much about the bureaucracy of human resource departments anywhere.
dan friesen
Yeah, so I don't know what you would get out of it or what it would help mitigate the potential problems of, but I do see a vague picture in my head of why you might, if you were the higher-ups, you might want to know, okay, some of our people were there.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
You know, I don't know.
jordan holmes
I think it's just an interesting question as to Whether or not somebody would get a fucking Code Red order on them.
You know what I'm saying?
dan friesen
I think that there are things in place where that would be discriminatory.
If you were somehow punished for going to a protest.
jordan holmes
Oh, absolutely.
And I'm sure that nobody has ever been.
dan friesen
Look, I don't fucking know, man.
We can't unpack that.
We have no data on that.
jordan holmes
I know, I know.
I'm just spitballing with the knowledge I have of human beings and the way they act.
dan friesen
And institutions.
But what we do know is that this story is whack, and the document doesn't back up what Alex is going to go on to say later in the show.
But that doesn't stop Alex from...
Telling you that he's been harassed by the military.
jordan holmes
The plainclothes military?
dan friesen
All the time.
jordan holmes
All the time.
dan friesen
These are some whack fucking stories.
alex jones
But when I first had run-ins with Army intelligence, it was threatening.
Two different events where I'd walk out to my car in a parking lot and there'd be guys in suits, 32, 35 years old, you know, the special forces bearing and they would make little threatening comments.
Tell me I was being watched.
dan friesen
What's a special forces bearing?
jordan holmes
You know, they have the shoulders back.
They've got a jib cut.
It's all about jib cut.
dan friesen
All right.
alex jones
Hey, Alex, how you doing?
I heard you got a special team.
You're planning something.
You know, we want to help you.
What are you planning?
Are you going to do something violent?
And I'm like, no, no, my team.
When I say I'm thinking my team, talking about my people that I work with.
dan friesen
I don't see any reason to believe these are special intelligence military people at all.
These could just be some people fucking with him.
If the story's even true.
jordan holmes
Or it could just be somebody who's regular who's like, Hey, Alex, are you going to do anything violent?
dan friesen
Possibly.
jordan holmes
You have gone to this bar before and you fucked some shit up, so, hey!
dan friesen
Or it's completely made up.
jordan holmes
Or it's completely made up.
alex jones
No, we're just checking that out.
We're just...
There was another case where an FBI agent showed up.
jordan holmes
Hi!
I'm from the FBI.
alex jones
He was literally red-faced and breathing heavy, about 6 '5".
That was like professional bike riders, the FBI guys.
He was that type.
jordan holmes
So Lance Armstrong shows up.
alex jones
And I say, the FBI's criminal and murdered the people at Waco, and I demand you call in, or if I'm not a liar and you're not criminals, that you show up down here.
And sure enough, here's this guy at the door.
He's got the unmarked FBI car out front, but he was literally huffing and puffing, telling me the FBI wasn't all bad, and I said, are you FBI?
And he said, well, I'm not going to answer that.
So, you know, I have that case, too.
dan friesen
These are not good stories.
These are real soft in terms of, I have been fucked with by intelligence agents.
Because I don't see any evidence that these are actual incidents, or if they are, they are the weakest shit ever.
unidentified
Yeah, what is the...
jordan holmes
Why would you even say I'm not going to answer that if you're driving an unmarked FBI car that you can see?
dan friesen
And you're huffing and puffing.
unidentified
The FBI's great!
jordan holmes
Are you from the FBI?
I can't answer that.
dan friesen
So there's one more story Alex has, and this is also like, I don't, this doesn't work for me.
This doesn't do it for me.
alex jones
But another time in a Target parking lot, they got very threatening.
Pulled up behind me, blocked me in, I got out, they got around me, and just told me basically that if I ever got out of line, I was dead.
So, you know, this is the real world.
jordan holmes
Now hold on, I'm going to go get a TV and groceries.
alex jones
The type of crap I deal with.
I deal with every day knowing this is going on.
jordan holmes
What were you doing in that Target parking lot, Alex?
That's what I want to know.
alex jones
And that's when you realize just how real all of this is, is when you're in the fight and things like this happen over and over again.
dan friesen
What happens over and over again?
jordan holmes
Plain glows.
FBI officers who are well hidden.
They are, as we all know, the FBI is...
Brilliant at camouflage.
dan friesen
You know there's cameras in all Target parking lots.
jordan holmes
Yeah, a little bit.
dan friesen
I'm guessing he got into a fight with somebody who cut him off, or maybe they cut him off, or something like that, in the Target parking lot.
I'm going to get you, man, or something like that, and recontextualize it as the military attacking him or something.
I don't know.
Anyway, I think that if Alex Jones really did have really frightening stories, they'd be better.
But also, I think because these are so bad, they might be real stories.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But not necessarily government people harassing him.
jordan holmes
And he's not throwing in a ton of details like he normally does when he lives.
Yeah, the huffing and the puffing is weird.
dan friesen
And they all look like professional bikers.
unidentified
Bicyclists.
jordan holmes
Bike riders?
Like bicyclists.
That's what he thinks?
dan friesen
That's what I took away from it.
unidentified
What does a professional bicyclist look like?
dan friesen
Svelte.
A lot of sinewy.
Six foot five?
jordan holmes
I didn't know they were that tall.
dan friesen
Classic.
Pleiadians and bikers are very tall.
jordan holmes
Very tall.
Oh, all right.
I did not know that.
dan friesen
Yep.
Important to know.
jordan holmes
I assumed they were shorter, like jockeys.
I don't know why I assumed that.
dan friesen
No, no, no, no, no.
Very, very...
jordan holmes
With gigantic thighs.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, you know, we've got this army document that Alex is incorporating into his narrative.
We have the big MIAC document that is sort of the overarching...
That's the varsity narrative.
And then in the last couple episodes, we've also had him say that this mandatory service bill has passed, which he escalated into now it's a draft, which we saw that on the last episode, which is complete bullshit.
He's just making that up.
And then the DOD Directive 1404.10, which he thinks means that they can just...
Put you into service and send you overseas for the Department of Defense, but that's just about their civilian employees in the Defense Department in emergency essential personnel things.
Now, what's interesting is in this next clip, what he does is he ties them all together as if they're all talking about the same thing and uses it to make one grand narrative.
alex jones
They passed the draft in the House last Thursday.
dan friesen
No, they didn't.
alex jones
The national draft is passed.
I should be yelling and screaming and hyperventilating over that.
I'm not.
I've been on the mission to accept it, I guess.
jordan holmes
So aren't you just proving it's not real?
alex jones
A federal agency to prepare the feasibility of forced compulsory service, and then you read the Nexus tie-in a month ago with the Defense Department issuance.
dan friesen
The Nexus tie-in?
jordan holmes
That's a good book.
alex jones
Last night on the show I read that Army directive, a Pentagon directive, and it says, with the new million-person force, That the Pentagon will direct whether they serve domestically or overseas in support of combat operations.
So this is a giant pool to suppress and control all our towns and cities and states here, but also in third world nations that get invaded, blasted to daylights, their infrastructure destroyed.
Then hundreds of thousands of little bureaucrats come in behind the military to then take over the society.
jordan holmes
Hundreds of thousands?
alex jones
But they don't call it a draft.
They just call it compulsory service.
Mandatory.
I mean, this has passed the House, ladies and gentlemen.
This is going to the Senate, and they're set to pass it.
It passed by a huge majority in the House of Representatives.
They are really trying a Nazi-slash-Soviet-style takeover.
It's really happening.
Everything that was foretold, everything they set up, was all in preparation of this.
Now we're here.
Now the military is tracking me and following me.
It's openly being admitted to.
jordan holmes
We're here.
dan friesen
So, you know, you see there all of these pieces coming together.
This lie about the draft is how they're going to get a lot of people in, and the DOD directive is how they're going to send them to be little hundreds of thousands of bureaucrats overseas or something, which I don't understand what goal that achieves.
Also, they'd be woefully inefficient in any kind of position.
jordan holmes
Why would you want to draft bureaucrats?
dan friesen
I don't fucking know.
You wouldn't.
Alex is just...
jordan holmes
They're sending hundreds of thousands of bureaucrats in there to fill out paperwork.
That's what they need, Dan, in order to take Iraq over.
They need the paperwork.
And we all know that plainclothes military men can't fill out paperwork.
That's not what they're for.
So we got to get the bureaucrats in there.
Mm-hmm.
dan friesen
He's just found little pieces that seem like they might go together.
He's just taken a little mallet and jammed the jigsaw puzzle pieces together.
And it's a shameful display because it's all bullshit.
jordan holmes
He has made...
The Technicolor Dreamcoat of Propaganda.
dan friesen
It's super fascinating to take the time that you need to go through these things like we have so we can see all of the pieces that are each individual lies come together to make a Voltron kind of lie.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, it's nice.
dan friesen
It's interesting because I don't think...
jordan holmes
It's like a hand-me-down quilt where every member of the family adds their own little patch.
dan friesen
Sure.
Taking the amount of time and paying the amount of attention needed to be like, oh, Alex, this is all lies.
What are you doing?
This is such nonsense.
So in this next clip, he has some complaints about Obama that sound really funny in hindsight.
alex jones
Then Obama goes on 60 Minutes last night, I watched it, and he says, part of his permanent campaign, scores of speeches a day in appearances, he says, look, you've got to do this or we're going to have a depression.
dan friesen
It's really funny that he's complaining about Obama having a permanent campaign.
When he talks so glowingly of all of Trump's rallies and how they're so great.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Permanent campaign.
unidentified
And Trump is not going to...
Stop?
dan friesen
Yeah.
He's on a permanent campaign.
jordan holmes
Also, dude, if this is 2009, we're still in the depression caused by the last guy.
dan friesen
True.
Starting to make progress, though.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
We're not starting a new depression.
dan friesen
But that's what Alex thinks.
jordan holmes
Ah, I gotcha.
dan friesen
So, one of the other pieces of Alex's bullshit narratives about government oppression was on, I believe it was on the last 2009 episode, about all the fears about what's going on in New York.
Now, he doesn't get into the Albany ammunition story, but he does get back to Schenectady.
jordan holmes
Ooh, I like the Schenectady angle.
dan friesen
Once again, he mispronounces the name of the city, and then he makes a completely unfounded claim.
alex jones
Whatever.
If you want to live in denial, you know, Friday we started covering how Schenectady, New York.
Am I pronouncing that right?
I don't have it in front of me.
No!
Schenectady.
I can't keep track of it all.
Schenectady.
jordan holmes
You're getting worse.
alex jones
You said, oh, well, we're going to declare martial law.
Obama, you know, thinks it's a good idea.
We post the mainstream news article out of Albany, and people say it's not real.
Meanwhile, it's the top story on Drudge, or at least it was an hour ago.
dan friesen
So, I mean...
That's so unfounded.
They decided they were going to do martial law because Obama said it was a good idea.
jordan holmes
When did Obama say it was a good idea?
dan friesen
I don't think he's related to that story at all.
jordan holmes
I don't think anybody even asked him.
dan friesen
No, but the mayor of Schenectady is a SMO.
He's the special mayor of Obama.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's right!
So he's probably got a back-channel communication.
dan friesen
Undoubtedly.
jordan holmes
And Alex probably has a way to tap into it.
dan friesen
Certainly.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Alright, that makes sense.
dan friesen
But that's all bullshit.
jordan holmes
No!
dan friesen
It's all complete bullshit.
jordan holmes
No, come on!
Schenectady would never lie to us like that.
dan friesen
They didn't.
Alex did.
So, a lot of this episode ends up being an interview with Kevin Booth.
Who is a filmmaker of note.
He has made a number of documentary-ish films.
jordan holmes
Documentary-ish?
dan friesen
Sure.
I mean, I only say that because he works with Alex Jones on some stuff.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
dan friesen
But he is also the guy who was a very close associate of Bill Hicks's.
And he's one of the reasons that a lot of people believe that Alex Jones is Bill Hicks.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
dan friesen
Because Kevin Booth worked with Bill Hicks on making a movie about...
The Waco church.
And then now he's involved with Alex Jones.
He appears on Alex's show all the time.
I believe there was a time or two that he's actually called Alex Bill, but I think some of that might be trolling or something like that.
I'm not entirely sure.
I don't really care about that stuff.
jordan holmes
It's a conspiracy.
dan friesen
So he's on because he's working with, I believe, there's a reality show that they're going to make, but I don't think it actually ends up happening.
jordan holmes
No, they wound up making it.
It was keeping up with the Kardashians.
dan friesen
Kevin Booth is working with Freeway Ricky Ross.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Who is the real Rick Ross.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Who was the guy who brought crack into Los Angeles.
jordan holmes
Yeah, Rick Ross.
Call me big boss.
dan friesen
Right.
He's the guy who was working with the CIA, apparently.
I don't know all the details, but I do believe that probably he had some sort of...
I don't think he's making up everything.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
I'll say.
jordan holmes
Reagan did it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So he was a huge crack dealer, and then he went to prison.
And then he got out, and he sued Rick Ross.
jordan holmes
I didn't know he actually sued Rick Ross.
dan friesen
Oh, yeah.
jordan holmes
Why did he sue Rick Ross?
dan friesen
Because he's using his name.
jordan holmes
So he has a patent on his name?
He's got a copyright on his name?
He's crack dealing Ricky Ross?
dan friesen
I don't think he ended up winning the lawsuit.
jordan holmes
I doubt it.
dan friesen
I'm not entirely sure.
But then he shows up on Rogan's podcast sometimes.
Uh-huh.
I've watched a couple of his appearances.
He seems like an interesting guy.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But he's still in prison at this point.
And so Kevin Booth is coming on, talking about how they're going to make this reality show.
And one of the things they keep saying is like, Ricky Ross is going to get out of prison.
We're going to make this reality show.
And one of the parts of it is, in the first year...
He's making this show.
He's going to make a million dollars.
And so he can show people how to make that million dollars because he's such a hustler.
He's going to do it without doing any crimes or anything like that.
He's just going to show you.
jordan holmes
He's just going to hustle.
dan friesen
You too, if you hustle hard enough, can make a million.
I don't think that show ever got made.
jordan holmes
He's just going to hustle.
dan friesen
From everything I can tell from looking at IMDB pages and everything.
I don't think that reality show got made.
Possibly because they tried and then he failed to make a look.
jordan holmes
Yeah, because he didn't hustle hard enough.
dan friesen
I'm not sure.
I have no idea.
I don't want to disparage him because I don't really know enough.
But Kevin Booth is on.
He's brought on some associates of Rick Ross.
And, man...
Alex is so disappointed because he just wants to talk about how the government's selling drugs and Rick Ross is going to come out and he's going to expose everything.
jordan holmes
Nah.
He's just going to hustle.
dan friesen
He gets into a conversation here with Rick Ross' friend Straw.
jordan holmes
Rick Ross has a friend named Straw.
dan friesen
He does.
jordan holmes
That actually does sound like he has a standing in the lawsuit against Rick Ross.
dan friesen
It's possible.
So this is where the interview starts.
jordan holmes
My friends were named silly first!
dan friesen
This is where the interview starts to be very clear that, like, oh, Alex is not getting what he wants out of this.
alex jones
Are you worried about your safety being at the tip of the spear of this whole thing?
unidentified
No, of course not.
As a matter of fact, as far as the whole Ricky Ross trying to bring this corruption thing to the up front, It's really not what he's doing.
What Ricky's trying to do is move on with his life.
And that's basically what we want.
We're getting these little operations together not to bring forth whatever that occurred with him in the past as far as this corruption goes, but it's to look forward to the future as far as corruption will be for the youth and for the...
For the guy that's incarcerated, it's currently getting out.
alex jones
Okay, well, tell us what Freeway Enterprises...
Sure, sure, I understand.
Your phone's cut out a bit there.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
unidentified
I understand.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So Straw goes on to be like, we're not trying to expose corruption.
We're trying to make a multi-media outfit so we can make a TV show.
jordan holmes
All right, so he's going to expose the CIA, right?
Nah, he's just going to lower the rate of recidivism.
dan friesen
He's trying to just make a TV show where he shows that there's another way for people.
Trying to be a positive social influence.
Alex is so disappointed.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
Tell me about your business.
dan friesen
There's another...
I can't remember what her name, but there's another guest who's a friend of Rick Ross's who also has a radio show, and she is equally disappointing to Alex.
And it's just like, fuck.
I really wanted to talk about the CIA running drugs.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
And you guys are not giving me...
jordan holmes
Oh, you want to talk about creating a positive environment for people?
Boring!
That's not what this show is about!
This show is about fear!
dan friesen
Right.
So Alex gives this disclaimer because he needs to take control of the narrative because before they came on, he had sort of promised this was all going to be about exposing the CIA and all that shit.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
And so he says this.
alex jones
The main reason you're on today...
Is to try to put attention to the fact that he needs to be let out of prison and is supposed to be released.
And I think it's important that we also explain for him to get out that he's just trying to create an anti-drug movement and employ people through a media system to do this.
So I think that makes it a lot safer for him to be released from prison and that the establishment won't be going after him.
I just know that...
dan friesen
So he's basically saying, I know you guys are saying this because you've got to keep...
But the reality is what I'm saying.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, that's great.
Just take control of the narrative away from these people who are boring you, Alex.
jordan holmes
Guys!
Do one pre-interview so this doesn't happen like this.
dan friesen
You think?
jordan holmes
What are you doing?
dan friesen
So, now this is interesting.
Because, uh, Kevin Booth comes back on the phone.
He starts talking about the interviews that he's had with Rick Ross and the documentary that he's made.
And in doing so, he references somebody that is anachronistic with Alex Jones' world at this time.
unidentified
Yeah, no, absolutely.
And like in my film, too, it was said by Robert Steele, who's on your show all the time, the CIA operative, who basically is just saying that perhaps Ricky didn't make enough bribes on the local level through various lawyers that could channel the bribes into various politicians.
dan friesen
Kevin Booth references Robert David Steele and says that he's on Alex's show all the time.
I've not heard any appearances that Robert David Steele has made at this point, but this is crazy.
Because Robert David Steele is the guy who, last year on Alex's show, said that the globalists were kidnapping kids and making them work on Mars colonies.
And then Alex Jones got really mad at him and said he was working a PSYOP on his show.
I didn't know that he was a guy who went back ten years on Alex's show.
I thought he was kind of a newer addition to the stable, especially considering that Robert David Steele shows up all over the place.
He's been on Project Cam a lot before.
So I thought, like, oh, he's a new wacky dude on the scene, and Alex...
He mistrusted him, and he started talking Mars colonies on the show, and he burned Alex, and Alex burned him.
So I thought that was the case.
I had no idea.
He's a guy who's been in Alex's camp for years.
That's crazy.
This is very exciting to me.
jordan holmes
It's interesting that he was previously far more reasonable in saying that you can bribe local government officials.
dan friesen
Well, that's certainly a smaller claim than Mars basis.
jordan holmes
It would be fun if that was also part of his Mars basis.
Well, they're taking these kids, but not if you bribe your local law enforcement officials.
dan friesen
Right, right.
jordan holmes
That's the trick.
dan friesen
Grease the palm, it'll take you up into space.
jordan holmes
Then you won't have to deal with his new Rick Ross.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, that's crazy.
I find it very interesting, and I'm very excited to find some Robert David Steele appearances from 2009 and stuff, see what kind of whack shit he was spilling back then.
jordan holmes
Yeah, because we didn't see any in 2015, right?
dan friesen
No, I don't think so.
Towards 2016, I believe, he started coming in with his, like, the vote is going to be rigged, we need to unrig the vote, me and Cynthia McKinney, or we need to get in a room with Trump immediately.
Alex, get me in a room with Trump.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Get me in a room with Trump where there's no Secret Service around.
unidentified
Uh-uh.
dan friesen
And Alex's like, I don't know if I can do that.
jordan holmes
On account of no.
dan friesen
I don't think I can get in a room with Trump.
jordan holmes
I don't think anybody would want to do that.
Except for Putin, of course.
dan friesen
So yeah, he was showing up a little bit later in sort of the lead up to the election in 2016.
But yeah, he didn't factor heavily into 2015 stuff.
And like I said, I haven't seen any sign of him in 2009 yet.
But my radar is up.
jordan holmes
Could be that Booth just never listens to the show.
dan friesen
But if that's the case, then he has to have some reason to believe that Alex knows Robert David Steele.
jordan holmes
That's true, that's true.
dan friesen
Which is an even more interesting proposition, and that is that he knows that Robert David Steele doesn't go on Alex's show, but he's a source of Alex's information.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So that's a possibility.
jordan holmes
He's a consort.
dan friesen
Right, that's a possibility.
I'm not entirely sure, but we will see what the future holds.
Now...
Alex has spoken to two of Freeway Ricky Ross' associates and found them to be not very interesting at all.
jordan holmes
Yes, they were weighed, they were measured, and they've been found wanting.
dan friesen
And so Kevin Booth has a third associate named Hakeem, who he wants Alex to talk to, and it goes a little differently.
jordan holmes
Hakeem is going to jump in.
dan friesen
Oh, yeah.
jordan holmes
All right.
unidentified
But a lot of us were only aware of the Iran country affairs as far as the U.S. buying weapons or selling weapons to Iran and using the money to support the countries.
Well, now we're talking.
jordan holmes
Hell yeah!
Hell yeah!
Now we're getting into it, baby!
You just pulled me up out of the doldrums!
dan friesen
So, Hakeem was working special operations in Central America and had some fun adventures down there.
jordan holmes
Hard rice, soft rice, fighting the Contras.
dan friesen
Alex takes it all at face value.
You can hear it there that, like, now we're talking.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
Oh, baby.
He talks to him for, like, 15 minutes, and nothing of it is notable, but it is notable that Alex has no idea who this dude is.
He's using a single name to protect his anonymity, and so you can only take these things with a grain of salt, you know?
Alex is reporting it as, like, oh, God, I want to get you back on the show.
This is amazing.
This is Veritas.
This is the most amazing stuff.
And it's got to feel bad if you're Straw sitting on the other end.
jordan holmes
Oh, I could have been that guy.
I could have been that guy.
dan friesen
Yeah, absolutely.
jordan holmes
I was talking about what I thought was a good thing, and I was way wrong.
I was way wrong.
This should have gone the way of Iran-Contra.
dan friesen
Well, you take your shots, sometimes you miss.
Well played, Hakeem.
He talks to him, he gets very excited, and that's kind of the end of it.
There's not a whole lot to it, even though it takes up a lot of this episode.
It takes up so much time.
A lot of it is Alex being bored by those two, and then a lot of it is him sort of trying to enlist Hakeem to be one of his sources.
And, you know, it is what it is.
It's an Alex Jones segment.
jordan holmes
He wants to forcefully conscript him into his Infowars army.
dan friesen
Right, with a DOD directive.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
So this leads to about the two-hour point in the show where he finally gets into the army report.
And what he does is he lies a lot about it.
He just says that it says things that it absolutely doesn't say.
alex jones
Basically, people protesting the Fed, the Liberty Committee, Ron Paul.
Could be terrorists and may be planning violent attacks.
And it tells the police how to be careful, how the FBI to be careful, the Army's there to support them dealing with us that we may basically decide to attack.
It tells their officers to be very careful.
These people are deadly dangerous, basically.
And you can read that report.
It is up on Infowars.com and PrisonPlanet.com.
Here is the report.
You can see the order sheet for covering the Houston and Dallas and San Antonio.
Show folks the final page, please.
On the final page, the third page, you can read the officers' names, the orders.
dan friesen
You can.
And the only order that is on there, on that third page, is...
jordan holmes
Write this report?
unidentified
You bet.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
It's just release this report.
That is it.
jordan holmes
That's the order?
dan friesen
It doesn't say any of the things that he's saying there.
It doesn't even imply any of the things.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I was going to say, basically is carrying a lot of weight on that sentence right there.
dan friesen
The idea that, like, they're deadly dangerous.
It doesn't say anything like that.
Anything like that.
jordan holmes
Also, Ron Paul is a sitting congressman at this time, right?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I believe so, yeah.
So the army wrote a report and released it that said, a sitting U.S. congressman...
Could be a terrorist.
dan friesen
I don't believe that.
jordan holmes
I don't think they would do that.
I think that would go poorly.
dan friesen
I don't believe Ron Paul is even mentioned in the Army report.
I'm not entirely sure.
And if it is, it's only that these, you know, like these protests are inspired.
jordan holmes
Yeah, once again, it's like, hey, Ron Paul, if you get a lot of supporters of Ron Paul in one place, it's not even that.
It's not even that.
dan friesen
It's not even that.
So he's lying about what this report says, and then he lies even more about little specifics.
alex jones
Commanders are remanded at the time to...
jordan holmes
They're remanders, actually.
dan friesen
It says reminded.
alex jones
...to exercise their physical security plan, including all annexes.
jordan holmes
That's a very different word.
alex jones
That means...
Sub-directives with weapons.
dan friesen
No, it doesn't.
jordan holmes
Annexes means sub-directives with weapons.
dan friesen
He's just making that up.
jordan holmes
What is a sub-directive with weapons?
I don't fucking know.
So a regular directive has its own sub-directive?
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Well, why not just put it in the regular directive?
dan friesen
You need sub-directives.
Got to organize.
jordan holmes
Fair enough.
dan friesen
None of that stuff means anything.
And then in this next clip, he's claiming that basically this report is calling him a terrorist.
alex jones
Commanders will ensure that random anti-terrorism measures program is conducted as an integral part of their daily operations.
See, we're terrorists.
RAM is particularly important due to the static nature of our forces and mission, which often result in the establishment of identifiable routes.
Man, they've got to sneak when they come there because we're so dangerous.
We may attack them.
Oh, they want to attack you.
Oh, they want to go after you.
dan friesen
It doesn't say routes.
It says routines.
Alex is completely lying about the word in there because he misread it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I was going to say, I don't think he was meant to...
I mean, I know he meant to imply that.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
But I don't think he can read that word.
dan friesen
Also, hey, dum-dum, what does static mean?
Non-moving.
jordan holmes
No!
dan friesen
So whenever they're talking about the static nature of their operations, that's because they're talking about at, like, an army base.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but their subdirective is about the movement that they're going to do on this movement.
dan friesen
If they were at, like, some sort of engagement, surveilling a protest, that wouldn't be static.
That would be active.
unidentified
Eh.
dan friesen
That would be changing.
jordan holmes
Well, they're not allowed to move from their post.
Monitoring the protest.
dan friesen
That would make them stick out a little bit.
jordan holmes
They're just standing.
dan friesen
Binoculars.
That would be...
jordan holmes
Like a cartoon.
dan friesen
That would be mighty suspicious.
jordan holmes
They're literally in the bushes just staring out at them with binoculars.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So you get the sense there of what Alex is bringing to the table.
That is some weak shit.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's just...
He's hinging on...
jordan holmes
Bring back Hakeem.
I was liking him.
dan friesen
He's hinging on, like, words.
Like...
Routes instead of routines to say, oh, they need different routes because they've got to sneak in because they think we're going to attack them.
Just read the right word, Alex.
So that's the level that he's coming with, which is real fucked up.
So the rest of the show, pretty much, is Alex talking to Alan Watt.
Again, not Alan Watts.
jordan holmes
No, not Alan Watts.
dan friesen
Alan Watts.
jordan holmes
Alan Watts.
Who is also suing Rick Ross for stealing his name.
dan friesen
He is a supreme New World Order weirdo.
And he is like...
I just, I listen to him and I'm just like, I get, I've seen that blog, man.
I know, I know, I know.
You're just basing this on utter nonsense.
And so most of it is kind of not worth going over at all.
But there's a couple of clips, in particular this one clip here, where it's just like, you are lying.
You are absolutely willfully lying and I can prove it.
unidentified
In fact, as I say, when you go into the writings of the big think tanks that work for this global system on behalf of the elite, like the Club of Rome, they said that democracy was just too cumbersome.
They wanted collectivism.
Under collectivism, you're looking at China.
jordan holmes
Ooh, you are not looking at China under collectivism.
dan friesen
He is making the argument that the Club of Rome doesn't want democracy.
This comes from a misreading of a publication that was put out by the Club of Rome called The First Global Revolution.
We've talked a little bit about the Club of Rome in the past and how one of their sort of guiding principles is that they don't look at problems as problems.
They look at them as little pieces of a larger problem that's called the problematique.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
That is sort of the...
Everything is interconnected and trying to deal with one problem without looking at the consequences.
That dealing with that problem would have on other problems.
jordan holmes
Whack-a-mole.
dan friesen
Yes, exactly.
And so in their book that they put out, The First Global Revolution, they have a chapter called The Vacuum.
That's the chapter 5. It's a reference to the expression, nature abhors a vacuum.
The main point of the chapter is that there are a lot of forces at play that are hurting social cohesion.
Thus, there's a vacuum there, and if we're not careful, something destructive, like extremism or a dictator, could end up filling the void.
Among the sources of this declining cohesion, the public trust in government has been replaced by indifference, if not hostility, largely born out of a recognition that our government is not equipped to deal with modern problems.
Elected leaders lack the understanding of complex issues the planet faces.
Political parties have become primarily concerned with winning elections and playing team sports.
And democracy as a whole is just not designed to respond quickly to immediate concerns.
For example, if you respond to a dictator invading their neighbor's country, that requires debate generally.
Or at least it did when they wrote this back in 1991.
And by the time you've done debating, that dictator...
That's a very difficult process that democracy isn't perfectly equipped to handle.
Now, the report is not advocating for abandoning democracy.
In fact, they say very clearly, the crisis in the contemporary democratic system must not be allowed to serve as an excuse for rejecting democracy.
So, while they talk about the difficulties dealing with modern problems have when you have a democracy, they're very explicit about the idea of, like, that doesn't mean that we should get rid of democracy.
In fact, we should find ways to supplement the public sector and things like that, the private sector, in order to complement the democracy that we have so we can preserve that.
political system while dealing with these new modern challenges that we never thought we would have to face.
So basically, he is specifically lying because he knows, if he's read the Club of Rome, that that quote, the crisis in the contemporary democratic system must not be allowed to serve as an excuse for rejecting democracy.
He knows that's in there.
jordan holmes
He should.
dan friesen
He's just straight up lying.
unidentified
He should.
dan friesen
That is a lie.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but these guys always think that those are like...
Coded languages.
So it's like they're covering their ass with that little stuff.
They're signaling to the people who are believers that this is what needs to be done.
And then they're hiding behind this one last sentence to say that that's not what needs to be done.
They're always doing that.
That's always the defense there.
Oh, they were just putting that in there.
dan friesen
Then that's fine to do, but...
You should acknowledge that.
jordan holmes
You would think.
dan friesen
You should acknowledge that.
They clearly say they don't want democracy.
Now, in the text, they do say we should preserve democracy, but they're lying.
unidentified
Then your argument is weak.
jordan holmes
Does that weaken your argument?
It almost bolsters your argument.
dan friesen
No, it doesn't.
Not if you're Alan White, because then you're like, all of this hinges on my interpretation of what exactly they're lying about in the text, when if you look at it through the prism of wanting to preserve democracy, everything makes sense.
If you look at it through my crazy worldview, Right.
jordan holmes
I mean, I don't mean bolster it in terms of a quality of argument.
I mean, bolster it in terms of the people that you are speaking to.
Maybe.
Because what they want is for you to lie about the Club of Rome documents.
Which, done and done.
Right.
And by pointing out where you think the Club of Rome documents are lying, you only...
Like, further inoculate them from actually reading the documents because already now you're saying, well, whatever it is they say that says not what I'm saying is a lie.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
You know?
Like, it makes more sense to acknowledge it and bring it out and then...
dan friesen
Sort of.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Well, none of it makes sense.
dan friesen
No, but I get what you're saying.
If you look at it at that angle, that kind of makes sense.
But all I care about is that Alan Watts is a fucking liar.
jordan holmes
He is a fucking liar.
dan friesen
So, they get to another story that's really interesting.
I want to see if you can tell what this is about.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
That's not a good sign.
This is the Associated Press today.
And you'd think you were living in communist Russia to hear this.
Hillary, the movie, now showing at Supreme Court.
And you read the article, it says the Supreme Court will decide if you're allowed to make a film criticizing government leaders and that it is under election law now to make a film criticizing any elected official.
dan friesen
Do you know what this is about?
jordan holmes
Wait, was this one of those, like...
Project Veritas-y style things?
dan friesen
Well, I mean, it is a hit piece and shit.
But it's not Project Veritas.
jordan holmes
I vaguely remember this, like...
I vaguely remember some sort of bullshit documentary-style thing that's like...
I can't remember it.
dan friesen
This is Citizens United.
jordan holmes
Oh, this is Citizens United!
dan friesen
That's the group.
jordan holmes
Fuck!
dan friesen
That's the group that made Hillary the movie.
And it went to the Supreme Court, and the issue at hand wasn't a free speech argument so much as it was, should you have to reveal your donors and who funded this movie if it comes out and is clearly a political ad?
And the Supreme Court found, you have free speech, and it's just been applied across the board there.
Alex is on board early with muddying the waters about what this lawsuit was really about.
unidentified
Wow.
jordan holmes
This is that one.
dan friesen
Yep.
And I think it's a strong indication that he has talking points on it.
Maybe not, though.
It's exactly what you would expect him to respond.
jordan holmes
I mean, yeah.
I think he's just grasped upon the thing that he likes, which is they made a mean thing about Hillary.
And he is not understanding the underlying principle behind this at all.
dan friesen
Well, yeah, and what the case was actually about.
The idea of, like, this is clearly...
Sure, you're presenting it as a movie.
But it's clearly meant to sway political thought.
It's clearly a campaign piece.
It's political advertising.
So it was about whether or not you have to, in the same way that you regulate political advertising, who's donating money to this, you have to disclose all that stuff.
And that's what the case is about.
Alex is just like, no, it's about whether or not you can criticize public officials.
Bullshit.
jordan holmes
Jesus, man.
dan friesen
And has led to horrible things.
jordan holmes
Jesus, man.
dan friesen
But as that case plays out, I think we'll hear more about it.
I think this is just Alex has found an article.
I think he's going to latch on to this a little bit more in the coming weeks and months, but we'll see.
I'm going to skip this next clip because it's just him again combining that DOD directive story.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
He's trying to really, every time he brings up the false draft story, he brings up the DOD directive.
So it's just the two have now become married.
Yeah.
And I'm skipping it because I really want to get to this next one.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
This is one of my favorite things I think I've ever found.
This...
I don't even know how to describe how silly this is.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
I had sent to the network this weekend, because I'm still in the mindset of not doing video, just doing audio, to play the clip for me this week of G.I. Joe.
In the 80s...
jordan holmes
What?
alex jones
I was kind of at the end of watching cartoons as a teenager by the early 80s, but I remember when G.I. Joe first came on in about 82, and this is from one of the early episodes, that was all New World Order propaganda.
And since then, I'll go and watch online.
dan friesen
This is from the 31st episode.
alex jones
Others are doing it, too.
Old Cobra episodes of G.I. Joe, and it's all basically throwing the New World Order in your face in every episode.
Like, the TV's mind-controlling people, but...
Cobra Commander's doing it.
dan friesen
So he's saying that early on it was all throwing globalist shit at you.
Like the TV is brainwashing you and stuff.
jordan holmes
So is he saying that they were portraying Cobra Commander as the good guy?
dan friesen
I don't know.
I think he's trying to say that they're externalizing what they're doing through the form of Cobra Commander.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Now, I would tell you that the first five episodes of G.I. Joe were a plot where Cobra is trying to deprive the world of electricity by creating a super pyramid.
Episode 20, Cobra Commander launches a plan to flood the world's major cities with lava.
What?
In episode 21, Cobra Commander tries to mind-control animals to attack G.I. Joe.
jordan holmes
See, now that is at least a good plan.
I don't understand the flooding places with lava at all.
dan friesen
That's a little silly.
jordan holmes
That's counterproductive.
dan friesen
So in episode 25, Cobra makes a weapon that allows them to pull down the northern lights, which they plan to use to melt the polar ice caps.
jordan holmes
I don't think that makes any sense.
Based on my understanding of the Northern Lights.
dan friesen
In episode 28, Cobra hires a Romani woman to conjure the ghost of a World War I pilot ace, a Centurion warrior, and a Mongolian warrior to do battle with G.I. Joe, which of course is the globalist plots.
Alex is so out.
He's out at sea on this one.
He is so out.
This is awesome.
jordan holmes
See, now I'm just thinking about how great G.I. Joe is.
I never watched the show, but if there's a Romani woman conjuring a World War I fighter ace, a centurion, and a Mongolian to fight.
dan friesen
And in order to defeat these ghosts.
jordan holmes
In order to fight the most technologically advanced military in the world.
dan friesen
They're ghosts.
jordan holmes
Oh, they are ghosts.
dan friesen
So in order to defeat them, G.I. Joe has to find three artifacts and bury them.
jordan holmes
I really don't think that makes sense either.
dan friesen
Globalist.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
So anyway, Alex is talking about the 31st episode, which came after all of these.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And we'll see what's up with this.
alex jones
And it's got to be stopped, and it admits the wavelength of the video mesmerizes you, which scientific reports admit.
In this one, he's for gold coins, and he's manipulated the market.
To crash the world economy and to sell everybody gold.
And he's bad.
Gold is bad.
Cash is good.
And he holds up a gold coin and goes, Ah, Cobra money!
So let's play this clip, and then when Alan wants expert take on it, we'll go right to your calls.
And that video of the Obamanoids beating on doors.
Join us.
Join us.
Pledge to support the bankers.
Literally.
unidentified
Ah, Obama gold!
alex jones
So this is pure cashism slash communism.
But here is the Cobra commander.
Clip.
Guys, we're going to play the CNN next.
Can you pull me up, the Cobra Commander?
Okay, go ahead and play it.
jordan holmes
We're going to get to CNN next.
unidentified
Citizens, due to the financial irresponsibility and incompetence of your leaders, Cobra has found it necessary to restructure your nation's economies.
We have begun by eliminating the worthless green paper which your government has disused you into.
This is valuable.
Cobra will come to your rescue.
And out of the ashes will arrive a new order.
alex jones
So there you go, the new order, ladies and gentlemen.
jordan holmes
Cobra wants to audit the Fed.
alex jones
Continue.
There's more coming up in the clip.
unidentified
I am pleased to announce Cobra's economic recovery plan.
If you want money to buy gold for your children, take all your valuables to the nearest branch of extensive enterprises.
There, all goods will be exchanged for Cobra currency.
alex jones
Ah, gold money.
So she...
It's just an amazing program.
If you want gold, you're the person destroying the economy.
You're cub or commander.
Alan what?
unidentified
Yeah, I believe in the name that means that the snake system isn't the serpent system.
dan friesen
These people are fucking idiots.
Now, there's a reason that Alex said at the beginning of that, I'm so in the mindset of playing audio that I don't even have the video.
It's because if you watch the video, the plot of the episode becomes clear.
In that episode...
It's not that he loves gold and he's trying to take over an economy.
It's that Cobra Commander has created a weapon that mysteriously only destroys paper money.
unidentified
I wish I was a writer on G.I. Joe!
dan friesen
There are no rules!
jordan holmes
That is awesome!
dan friesen
The video that plays over that audio is of G.I. Joe guys playing poker and their money exploding.
jordan holmes
So it's a weapon that can fire from vast distances.
dan friesen
Anywhere.
jordan holmes
They didn't need to get within 300 feet or anything like that.
dan friesen
All over the world.
jordan holmes
It wasn't a microwave weapon.
And if you can do that, though, it seems like you would have already done it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I mean, it is a cartoon.
There is that.
So, Cobra Commander...
jordan holmes
I'm sorry, I'm just having a lot of fun with Alex played clips from G.I. Joe as evidence of his argument that the globalists are portraying libertarians as the evil guys.
dan friesen
Now, there's another problem with this, because I watched this episode.
jordan holmes
Oh, shit!
Has Ron Paul ever wearing a mask?
dan friesen
A snake mask?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't think so.
Oh, okay.
So I watched this episode for research purposes.
And so the plot of it is that they create this weapon that destroys all this paper money.
And so everyone has to come and bring their valuables to get Cobra money in order to buy food and stuff like that.
jordan holmes
What about change?
dan friesen
Hold on.
That's a good point.
I think change is fine.
jordan holmes
What about silver dollars?
dan friesen
That's a great point.
unidentified
That's not covered in the episode.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
The issue is, it's not about gold.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Because the cobra money very clearly is shown to be non-valuable things painted gold.
unidentified
So...
jordan holmes
So it's just a cup with gold on it.
dan friesen
Right.
Coins, but they're made out of rock.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
jordan holmes
Spray paint.
dan friesen
There's a whole conveyor belt that they show in Cobra headquarters where they're painting coins gold.
So the whole thing isn't about replacing the currency system with gold.
It's a nefarious plot wherein these people...
jordan holmes
To steal gold.
dan friesen
Oh, no.
It's to steal...
Yeah, steal everybody's valuables.
jordan holmes
Yeah, steal everybody's valuables.
dan friesen
Right, and I'd like to remind you, it's a cartoon.
jordan holmes
I can't.
dan friesen
Alex doesn't get into the money-destroying way.
jordan holmes
You know exactly how, just like with any Project Camelot, I have to figure out the plot and engage with it.
dan friesen
I would fucking love it if, like, a week from this episode, he's like, I've been telling you guys for years, the globalists are trying to resurrect the ghost of a World War I pilot.
A centurion and a mongrel.
jordan holmes
But what good is the World War I pilot going to do you?
dan friesen
Yeah, he can't really pilot anything as a ghost.
He's got a ghost plane.
It's like Wonder Woman's jet.
jordan holmes
But Wonder Woman's jet was just invisible, which again...
dan friesen
That's a feature of being a ghost.
jordan holmes
Again, very ineffective because you could actually see her throw it.
dan friesen
Come on, 80s stand-up, get it together.
So, we have one more clip left of Alex.
jordan holmes
80s stand-up, get it together?
Yep, you bet.
dan friesen
You bet.
jordan holmes
Hey, guys.
Get it together!
dan friesen
So in this last clip we play, Alex gets a recommendation from a caller about how to make some money.
Uh-huh.
And it's not create a laser beam.
jordan holmes
I was gonna say.
dan friesen
That destroys money.
jordan holmes
That sounds like a good idea, though.
dan friesen
It worked for a bit in the cartoon.
jordan holmes
Yeah?
dan friesen
Gets foiled in the end.
jordan holmes
Oh.
That's a shocker.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Not like all the other G.I. Joe.
jordan holmes
It wasn't a two-part episode where they lose miserably?
dan friesen
A five-parter, like the electricity arc from the- The electricity arc was a five-parter?
It was the first episode.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
G.I. Joe.
jordan holmes
I'd like to see that.
dan friesen
G.I. Joe!
I really don't like how they all yell, Go, Joe.
jordan holmes
I don't understand that.
dan friesen
What?
jordan holmes
I don't understand what Gojo means.
dan friesen
I don't care.
Anyway, here's the last clip.
Alex says something real troubling in this.
unidentified
We did it for Ron Paul, and I was wondering if we could do it again.
Maybe have some sort of...
Graphic design campaign for Billboard to kind of use their own weapons against them.
Billboard sales are way down right now.
alex jones
I've been trying for two weeks, three weeks, just to get a little activist page on Infowars.com and PrisonPlanet.com with just a few banners and, hey folks, have viewing parties for the film.
And I'm working on getting that done.
I mean, I'm this big global mega-celebrity, but I can't even get that done.
So I'm being sarcastic.
I mean, literally.
But yes, that's a good idea.
We're also making some street-action flyers for folks.
We just don't have the money to buy a bunch of billboards.
But if individuals or groups...
unidentified
We're going to have a money bomb.
alex jones
Well, that's another issue.
I can't have one of those.
We haven't worked out the technology for that.
Probably never will.
But we are trying as best we can, sir.
Believe me.
I need people to buy the DVDs.
jordan holmes
You've got to believe in yourself, man.
dan friesen
We have never done a money bomb and probably never will have the technology to do that.
jordan holmes
I think he's actually describing it, though, as he thinks the guy is talking about a money bomb.
dan friesen
No, he knows what it means, because it's like Ron Paul did it, and it was a really big deal during the 2008 campaign.
jordan holmes
Oh, I did not know that.
dan friesen
Such a big deal that on May 31st, 2008, Alex had a money bomb.
Again, I'd like to remind you that this episode that we're going over is from March 23rd, 2009.
Not a year earlier, Alex had a money bomb.
jordan holmes
Okay, here's the biggest question I have for you, right?
How does this guy know that billboard sales are down?
Is this guy a billboard salesman?
dan friesen
He might be.
jordan holmes
Because his plan is hyper-specific, and he considers billboards their own weapon that we must use against them.
dan friesen
The globalists love billboards.
We know that.
jordan holmes
So he's saying that the globalists have weaponized billboards.
dan friesen
You bet.
jordan holmes
Yet, at the same time, he's saying that billboard sales are down.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
All right.
He definitely...
Dude, he works for Clear Channel for sure.
dan friesen
There's a decent chance.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
More importantly, the money bomb stuff.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Alex has already had a money bomb less than a year prior.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Alex goes on to have a money bomb on June 11, 2009.
jordan holmes
Well, he developed the technology.
He got his R&D team on.
dan friesen
He said he probably never will.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah, but he believed in himself.
dan friesen
He goes on to have another money bomb on October 14, 2010.
November 2011, he has another money bomb.
October 18 and 19, 2012, he has another money bomb.
He has a lot of money bombs.
jordan holmes
Theory.
dan friesen
He stops having money bombs once he starts selling.
The products that Dr. Group brings along.
Mysteriously, in 2013, after Infowars Life appears, no money bomb.
No money bomb in 2014.
2015, in September, we get a money bomb.
Mysteriously, right around the time Ted Anderson loses his license to sell gold.
Huh.
alex jones
Weird.
dan friesen
Weird, these coincidences.
And then since then, Alex has had a bunch of money bombs with a different name.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like these weird 52-hour marathons that he does.
Sure.
I believe the timing of all that.
Very suspicious.
Very suspicious.
jordan holmes
I might even go so far as to say it is evidence.
dan friesen
It looks like something.
It looks like, oh yeah, that's the way you get a cash infusion whenever you need a bunch of money.
jordan holmes
Whenever taxes are due.
dan friesen
It does seem like a number of them are around the end of the year.
But who knows?
That's a correlation.
Can't really say for sure.
Looks weird.
alex jones
Yee.
dan friesen
Anyway, that brings us to the end of this episode, Jordan.
And what I'm seeing here in front of me is Alex is trying desperately to bring more leaves onto the plant of his patriot, we're oppressed narrative.
The government's trying to stop us patriots.
They're trying to implement a draft.
All this stuff is all these little individual lies that on their own are very easy to be like, nah, that's nonsense.
He's trying to bring it together into a much bigger lie that's more difficult for you to cut through.
Because once he starts talking about the DOD story mixed with the draft story, he's so nonspecific when he's talking about it, it's much harder to be like, oh, no, no, I can track that down.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But because we know the pieces of where they come from, now we can see, we know the ingredients that went into that cupcake.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
So it's interesting to see the cake getting baked, and we know that don't eat that cake.
And then he's disappointed by Kevin Booth's guests, who are friends with Rick Ross, which is a delight.
And G.I. Joe is a documentary.
jordan holmes
No, it's predictive programming.
dan friesen
Yes, absolutely.
jordan holmes
It's propaganda the globalists are sending to our youths in the early 80s.
dan friesen
Look out, 2019, globalists are going to flood your city with lava.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Why?
Because lava is bad.
jordan holmes
Lava is bad.
dan friesen
You gain great control of a population when you wield the power of lava.
jordan holmes
I believe that's actually very true.
dan friesen
That's from Sun Tzu.
jordan holmes
Let me ask you a question.
If you were going to find a Romani woman and ask her for three ghosts, what ghost would you choose?
dan friesen
Natasha Bedingfield.
jordan holmes
Is she dead?
dan friesen
Nope.
Still want to go.
Love to talk to her about some of those songs.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
They're bangers.
jordan holmes
Maybe you just want an astral projection of her.
dan friesen
Sure.
I'll take that.
We have some great conversation about what it's like to make great pop music.
Carly Rae Jepsen.
Also, let's take one of those.
I'd like to talk to her more about making great pop music.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Pink.
There we go.
Three.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
I just want to talk to female pop artists who I think make great pop music.
jordan holmes
You would not be a good Cobra Commander.
dan friesen
No, but I think it would be a better show.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
Honestly.
G.I. Joe's not going to foil that plot.
It's just going to be educational.
jordan holmes
I don't understand how it's going to be educational.
dan friesen
We're going to learn a lot about the nature of...
jordan holmes
Knowledge is power.
You're right.
dan friesen
It goes into great pop music.
Everybody should understand that.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Man, none of those people are ghosts, though.
dan friesen
No, but you already said we could take the astral form.
jordan holmes
I know, but I feel like the original question still stands.
dan friesen
I feel like you want to answer your own question, so go ahead.
jordan holmes
I don't know!
I don't know who I would choose!
I genuinely don't!
I was asking because I was interested.
dan friesen
Battingfield, Jepsen, Pink.
jordan holmes
None of which are ghosts.
None of which are ghosts.
dan friesen
We all have a spirit body.
jordan holmes
I like how you accuse me of being a person who does that.
dan friesen
What?
jordan holmes
Who asks you the question, like, if you had a million dollars, what would you do?
Here's what I would do.
When have I ever done that to you?
dan friesen
Never, but these questions all seem like I have an answer to this that I want to tell you.
jordan holmes
I'm just interested in your answer!
Jesus!
dan friesen
That's bullshit.
jordan holmes
I've never done that to you.
Literally never done that.
dan friesen
I can't think of a time that you have, but these questions seem like the thing that that guy would ask.
jordan holmes
Look, maybe they seem like the thing, but I'm interested in your answer, and your answer was cheating and not ghosts.
dan friesen
Not cheating.
You didn't define ghosts.
jordan holmes
Alright, I feel like we all have a shared definition of ghosts, and if you and I can't come to a definition of terms, there's no argument to be had.
dan friesen
Woodhouse, Lovecraft, uh...
jordan holmes
Jepson.
dan friesen
Jepson.
Not Carly Rae, the guy who made the memorial.
All right, guys.
We have a website.
jordan holmes
We do have a website.
dan friesen
Knowledgefight.com.
jordan holmes
Indeed, we do.
Go to the website.
Click support the show if you would like to do so.
You can also find us on Twitter.
dan friesen
Underscore fight.
Knowledge underscore fight.
jordan holmes
Just underscore fight.
Not even an at.
dan friesen
At knowledge underscore fight.
We're also on Facebook.
jordan holmes
We are.
You can join the group.
Go home and tell you about your brilliance.
dan friesen
Fun thing to do.
We're also on iTunes.
jordan holmes
You can subscribe.
dan friesen
Leave a review.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Super fun stuff.
jordan holmes
I will tell you.
Oh, you son of a bitch.
Go for it.
You win this one.
dan friesen
One of the things that people remember most about G.I. Joe is that no one ever died in any of the episodes.
All of the shots miss people.
No one ever gets killed.
I believe the A-team is the same way.
There's so much gunplay and no one ever gets shot.
So no one ever died in G.I. Joe.
But, Alex Jones...
jordan holmes
Before you finish that, I have finally got an answer to the three ghosts.
And you know what?
I only want one.
I only want one ghost of my three, and I'll tell you who that ghost is.
The ghost of the guy that Alex probably technically killed.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
jordan holmes
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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