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Oct. 15, 2018 - Knowledge Fight
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#216: November 11, 2010

Today, Dan and Jordan discuss the Nov. 11, 2010 episode of The Alex Jones Show. On the nights of Nov. 9-10, 2010, Glenn Beck aired a deeply antisemitic two-part "expose" about how George Soros is the "puppet master" pulling the strings of the secret government machine. The gents got to thinking that maybe Alex's response to those broadcasts might tell them a little something. It turns out, it just might speak volumes.

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alex jones
09:19
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dan friesen
47:10
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jordan holmes
18:48
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glenn beck
00:03
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pastor david manning
00:05
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alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
alex jones
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Indeed we are.
Dan?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Dan?
dan friesen
Hi.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
I think I just lost all of my questions.
dan friesen
Oh, no.
jordan holmes
I think I'm out of questions.
dan friesen
You are the world's worst interviewer.
jordan holmes
I think I've literally asked you every question that I want to know the answer to.
dan friesen
Is that right?
jordan holmes
And now every question would just be superfluous nonsense.
unidentified
Wow.
dan friesen
The list of questions you had wanted to ask me, when did you swim first?
jordan holmes
Eclectic.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
It was an eclectic mix.
dan friesen
Some baseline questions.
Well, we don't need to start with an interview.
That's not necessary.
jordan holmes
All right.
unidentified
All right.
jordan holmes
When was the last time we didn't start with an interview, Dan?
dan friesen
Today.
Well, I mean, before today.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Maybe two months ago before you started doing that.
jordan holmes
Why did I do this?
I've got to find a new opening bit.
dan friesen
Yeah, you've got to.
But a good way to open the show, probably, instead of a dumb bit, is to say that I know a lot about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
I only know what you tell me.
dan friesen
That's correct.
Jordan, today we've got an interesting episode ahead of us.
jordan holmes
Didn't have to say dumb bit.
dan friesen
We call everything we do dumb.
Takes the sting off.
So we got a fun episode to get to today, but before we do, I'd like to take a little moment to thank some of the people who have joined up in supporting the show.
Very excited to welcome, first of all, Matt, you are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Thank you, Matt.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much, Matt.
dan friesen
We appreciate it very much.
Someone else who has just joined up and become a policy wonk, I'd like to thank them very much.
Thank you, Ari.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Welcome aboard, Ari.
dan friesen
Always glad to have more wonks aboard this seaworthy vessel that we call a podcast.
jordan holmes
Not the Sea Org-worthy vessel.
That's a very different vessel.
dan friesen
Certainly are not.
jordan holmes
We do not throw anybody off this vessel.
dan friesen
No way.
jordan holmes
Unless you're mean to women, I suppose.
dan friesen
Yeah, then you're out.
Yeah.
Before we get done with these shout-outs, these here are nautical shout-outs.
We've got to give a couple thank-yous to people who were donating and bumped their donations up a little bit.
unidentified
No shit!
dan friesen
I'm very excited about this.
So, you were once a policy wonk, but you are now a globalist.
Thank you so much, Andrew.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk!
unidentified
Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
pastor david manning
Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
alex jones
Daddy Shark!
dan friesen
Thank you so much, Andrew.
jordan holmes
Thank you so much, Andrew, to the point where now that you've bumped it up and you're a globalist, even if you are Andrew Wright from elementary school that I remember, I think it's fine now.
It's okay.
dan friesen
This has come up more than once, man.
You might need to talk to somebody about this Andrew guy.
You cannot hear the name without getting mad about elementary school or some shit.
But, much like Andrew has come from the larval stage and grown into a butterfly that is a globalist, so too has Josephine.
And we thank you so very much.
You are now a globalist.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
pastor david manning
Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
alex jones
Daddy shark!
dan friesen
Thank you, Josephine.
jordan holmes
Thank you, Josephine.
And just like all larvas that grow into butterflies, it requires a small amount of money every time.
dan friesen
Every caterpillar's gotta pay.
That's how nature works.
To everybody who supports the show, we thank you so very much.
And even people who don't support the show.
I've been thinking about the beginning of H to the Izzo a bunch.
You could be anywhere in the world.
There are a lot of podcasts you could listen to and people listening to us.
Spending that time with us means a lot.
I thank you all for spending your time with us.
We appreciate it, y 'all out there.
Anyway, Jordan, today...
Look.
jordan holmes
Are you breaking up with me on air?
Is that what's happening right now?
dan friesen
We've had a good run.
No, today it's difficult for me to describe what I'm doing today, quite frankly.
And that's because here we are, we're starting this as a Monday episode, starting off the week.
A lot of the times we'll start off with a 2009 episode, so everyone's palate isn't ruined for the week and we don't cause too much distress.
But I'm listening to some of March 2009 and I'm realizing that...
Alex immediately has jumped into some territory that's going to require a lot of research.
I am not prepared to do the next 2009 episode without reading a couple books because he says some really specific bullshit, gets into some World War II revisionism.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's not good.
dan friesen
I need to dig my teeth into before we go over, so that's not ready.
That'll probably be ready.
Cake will be baked by the end of the week or so, but I'm not prepared to do it today.
Also, I don't want to start the week off with a Project Camelot episode.
jordan holmes
No, that's a wacky Wednesday.
dan friesen
We could have called that Audible, but we've got to save that for the middle of the week when people need a good laugh, when they need their spirits raised.
So I was in quite a quandary as to what I should do.
And I started to notice that there's a little bit of attention being paid to the Soros myth in other media.
There's a number of other, I think, I believe I saw an article in the Daily Beast about how the Soros antagonism and the pointing the finger at Soros is just a new updated version of anti-Semitic shit that's been going on forever.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, way to get on board a couple of years afterwards.
dan friesen
I'm not saying that they haven't pointed out some stuff like that before, but it was a new article and they're making the argument that this – In hindsight, could eventually be called the Soros era of anti-Semitism.
And that's conceivably true.
I think there's probably a pretty good...
You know, we make it out of this thing, we'll look back and be like, wow.
In the same way we look back on Henry Ford publishing the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, we'll look back on the people who pushed the Soros narrative in the same, like, eesh, kind of light.
I think we will, if we get our bearings back.
jordan holmes
Yeah, somehow it'll be worse, though, because the Koch brothers will also have paid for the end of the world.
dan friesen
But that's what I'm saying, if we avert that somehow.
If humanity pulls it together, maybe we'll have...
Chance of perspective and hindsight.
jordan holmes
Ha ha ha!
When things are written upon stone tablets once more, Dan!
dan friesen
Well, then we'll write about how Alex was a dick about the Jews or something.
But so I've been reading these articles, and then there was also, of course, I believe it was last week, might have been a little bit before that, time blurs these days.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
But Rudy Giuliani, the lawyer to the President of the United States, retweeted something about how Soros is demonic.
unidentified
What?
dan friesen
You didn't see that?
jordan holmes
What?
I'm off all the social media.
Are you telling me?
dan friesen
I still think that got written up in a lot of places.
It could have crossed your desk.
jordan holmes
Generally speaking, any kind of like...
Trump-related gossip stuff.
dan friesen
Try to avoid it.
jordan holmes
I'm just like, fuck this.
He's going to do crazy shit.
We just all have to deal with it.
Why are we even bothering?
Throw tomatoes at him and then we'll talk.
dan friesen
Sure.
So with the Kavanaugh hearings, with that Supreme Court nomination, there were a lot of people who were coming out of the woodwork and pushing much more publicly than is sometimes done.
The idea that Soros is paying off the protesters.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Which has been a trope that's been used with every single...
Left-leaning cause of the last many years.
The Parkland March for Our Lives.
The Women's March.
Especially in the age of Trump, we've seen Soros get sort of thrown under the bus as like, this is all just because of his Jew money.
More or less.
If you cut through the subtext, that's what's being said.
jordan holmes
When white young men protest in a violent manner, you could even say...
Cause physical harm to anybody who disagrees with them.
They're doing it for free.
But whenever, say, millions of women get together to call for an end to what has been...
Two million years of sexual abuse in some form or another?
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Well, clearly they were paid by Soros.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
That makes perfect sense.
dan friesen
70-something-year-old Hungarian dude gave him money, and then they're like, well, now we're mad.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, of course!
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, I wanted to...
I started to realize that, like...
We're going through 2009, and two of the biggest reasons to do it are to find out when Alex started talking about George Soros, and then secondarily, what was the deal with the Tea Party.
And so far, we've gone through almost two and a half months of 2009 at the beginning, starting in January, and we've seen he has not registered at all that the Tea Party is happening.
jordan holmes
That's right, I completely forgot that that was...
dan friesen
It's easy to forget.
jordan holmes
We've been doing it for two and a half months, and I forgot entirely what the whole point of the investigation was.
dan friesen
Well, that's because we keep finding these weird things that happen.
The avian flu narrative, the crazy people like Rebecca Carley that show up that we get to learn about.
So we have had a lot of things that have sidetracked us in 2009, but the focus has generally been to try and learn more about those two things, because I think they're essential, important...
Things to nail down.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
In terms of figuring out who is really influential to Alex, where are the threads that you can pull that actually lead you to unraveling the sweater, as opposed to it just being like, well, here's a string.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So we've gotten nowhere with either of those, quite frankly.
We've heard Alex bring up George Soros in 2009, but only because of one clip that he's heard, and he doesn't seem to know who he is really at all, or care.
He doesn't care at all.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
So I want to know.
I really do want to know these things.
I'm not saying we're leaving 2009, but because these stories are popping up in the mainstream consciousness a lot more and people are talking about it, I feel a greater pressure to learn a little bit more.
And I decided, well...
jordan holmes
Skip to the end.
dan friesen
I don't know what the end is.
That's the problem.
I don't know what the end is.
I could throw a dart at a board.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So I decided...
jordan holmes
That's what he did to find enemies.
dan friesen
Sure.
That would be one strategy.
I could randomly just say, like, alright, here's a fucking date.
Let's see what's going on then.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
dan friesen
And the odds are that I would find something, but who knows if it would be useful for our information.
So I started to think and I realized the most disgraceful thing that's ever been done publicly in media about George Soros is on November 9th and 10th of 2010.
jordan holmes
Rudy Giuliani masturbated into his face.
unidentified
That would be incredibly disgraceful.
dan friesen
That would be very disgraceful.
jordan holmes
That would be disgraceful.
dan friesen
That is not what happened.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
On November 19th, 10th of 2010, Glenn Beck aired a two-night expo Exposé of George Soros, the puppet master.
Now, this was not the first time that George Soros had come up as some sort of a boogeyman.
But it was one of the most overt and one of the most deeply anti-Semitic.
He was pulling on all sorts of tropes from history in a way that a lot of people haven't necessarily done.
When we heard Alex talking about that clip...
In 2009, he's not talking about anything about Soros except for he said he was going to crash oil.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
When that's not what the clip said at all.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
He's not using any of his, like, his globalist blood-drinking, poisoning the well, protocols of the elders of Zion-inspired nonsense to characterize him.
jordan holmes
He's not even hitting the hard J, you know what I mean?
unidentified
Exactly.
jordan holmes
He's not even hitting the Jew like that.
dan friesen
He's not down that road at all.
I believe a couple years ago.
Two years prior, Bill O 'Reilly had gone on at his show and said some bad things about Soros.
jordan holmes
Sure, fine.
dan friesen
But in terms of scale, that two-night event that Glenn Beck did was the most flagrant, the most outrageous thing that has ever been done.
And the mentality that it embodies is exact.
He's the one who's pulling all the strings.
He's paying the protesters.
He's satanic.
He's behind Hillary.
He's behind Obama.
All of that stuff.
The spiritual core of what Glenn Beck was talking about on that two-night event is where Alex Jones ends up.
I thought it would be interesting to listen to Alex Jones' show on those next days, so the 10th and the 11th of November 2010, and see what happens.
See what he's talking about.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I was worried we were going to listen to that Glenn Beck show.
dan friesen
No, we will hear a little clip of it, but not too much.
So, on the 10th of November 2010, Alex Jones doesn't talk about it at all.
He talks about TSA being demon evil people and how they're taking pictures of your dick at airport scanners.
jordan holmes
I'm fine with that.
Yeah, I'm fine with that.
I mean, I'm fine with him talking about that.
I guess I'm also fine with them taking pictures of my dick, but...
dan friesen
It's not my favorite thing for them to do, but...
I will say that listening to it was a little bit boring because it was like...
It was someone making an argument I'm into, but poorly.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, like, listening to his show on that day, I was like, this sucks.
Talk about Beck.
I don't want to waste three hours sitting here on the off chance that two hours into this, you're like, you know who sucks?
Glenn Beck.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And unfortunately, he didn't say a word about Glenn Beck.
So I wasted three hours listening to that show.
jordan holmes
So I assume he had just flown.
And, like, two days beforehand, and he was like, they're TSA!
They looked me in the eye, and they said, we know what you're doing, and then yada yada yada.
dan friesen
Or maybe there was an article on Drudge, or something like that.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Or maybe somebody took a picture of his dick recently.
dan friesen
Could be.
Whatever the case is, he is nowhere to be found talking about Glenn Beck on the 10th.
But, on the 11th...
He does get into it.
Now, that makes some sense, because maybe Alex was giving him the benefit of the doubt, and like, you have a two-night series, I'm not going to comment until the end.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
I highly doubt that.
jordan holmes
Yeah!
dan friesen
I think it just came to his attention on the 11th.
So now, just for a little bit of context, here is a clip of Alex Jones from September 13th, 2018, talking about his relationship with George Soros.
alex jones
You let one of these third-world countries collapse into you, you go bankrupt.
Oh, I forgot.
What's George Soros want?
Before he spent tens of billions of dollars buying up the media in the U.S. and buying PR for himself, when I was a young man, when I was a kid and when I was in high school, my mom always had PBS on cooking dinner.
Whenever I came home after football or whatever, she was always there at 5, 6 o 'clock for like an hour and a half cooking a huge, you know, six-dish meal.
Gourmet food.
So I showed up for dinner a lot of times, bringing my girlfriend over.
And it was always on PBS and ABC and everywhere that George Soros is a criminal.
He overthrows countries.
All he wants to do is collapse things and he's an insider trader.
Not anymore.
He's the sweet little Nazi collaborator.
We all must kiss his little wart-covered booty.
dan friesen
So, Alex is implying in that clip that he's known since childhood when his mom would make gourmet dinners.
jordan holmes
Why does his mom even have to make gourmet dinners?
dan friesen
Irrelevant.
jordan holmes
She just made dinner.
dan friesen
Irrelevant.
jordan holmes
Your mom doesn't also have to be legendary at something.
dan friesen
Yeah, absolutely.
She has to be a great cook or else she is not worthy of being his woman, as we learned on the last episode.
jordan holmes
Why do you gotta do that?
dan friesen
Because he's, I don't know, it's somehow still chauvinistic.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I know.
dan friesen
His mom makes gourmet dinners.
But only coming from him.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
In another context, it might seem better.
Anyway, that's far from the point.
The point is that he's expressing this idea that he's known about Soros as a country collapser extraordinaire.
Since, I mean, what would that be?
He was born in 1974, so that would be 1988.
He's known about Soros being a country collapser since 1988.
So what does that make?
We're in 2018.
jordan holmes
That's actually on his business card.
dan friesen
We're in 2018 now.
This is 30 years he's been aware of George Soros as a horrible, currency-destroying, country-collapsing son of a gun.
jordan holmes
Also on his business card.
That's on the back.
dan friesen
It's a long job title.
So here we jump in to the November 11th, 2010 episode.
And thankfully, pretty early in the episode.
Alex starts talking about Glenn Beck, because if he didn't, I was going to throw something across the room.
alex jones
What's the other huge news today?
Glenn Beck has had his hype machine going for the last month, saying that he would reveal today, and now he has, the head of the New World Order, the puppet master, the king of it all.
And I said two weeks ago it would be George Soros on air.
Not just because I could guess that, but because we have sources inside Fox.
You notice Media Matters has a report out today saying Jones correctly predicted a month beforehand that Lou Dobbs would be moving to Fox Business.
That's because I have multiple sources at the highest levels inside Fox.
dan friesen
He's got moles.
So Alex predicted ahead of time that Glenn Beck would say that George Soros is the puppet master and the king of it all.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but that's because he has sources inside Fox, not inside the New World Order.
Isn't he supposed to have sources at the top levels of the New World Order who are in contact with George Soros, who are giving him all of this information?
Not just...
Business execs at Fox who'd know that Lou Dobbs is going to Fox Business?
dan friesen
You would think that you'd get that information from a page or something like that.
You could get it from an intern.
Maybe a high-level intern.
So it does seem to undercut his predictive abilities if he's saying, I knew that he was going to say it was Soros.
I have moles all over the place.
I don't know if you're getting...
Like, do you think that he's talking about Soros like he talks about him now here in 2010?
jordan holmes
No, I think the way that he just put it is once you lead off with he's got his hype machine going, that kind of suggests that he's going to say Glenn Beck is...
Over-exaggerating the extent to which Soros runs the things?
dan friesen
Interesting.
You should think that's the way this is going to go.
We're not going to find out for now because Alex has to talk about how obsessed with Alex Jones Glenn Beck is.
jordan holmes
Of course!
alex jones
I have been told directly that Glenn Beck has five people full-time watching this show and taking what we cover and then repackaging it as kind of a neocon thing.
But look, Glenn Beck was going to be the main focus of my new Tea Party film.
Now he's not.
Because he's come so far.
I don't trust him.
I particularly don't like having all my material taken and then twisted all the key information and research we do.
But more and more, he's doing more good than harm.
And he's going to be attacked for it, and I've said that.
And Glenn Beck has done something now that he moved, you know, two years ago, I liked him 20%.
A month ago, I was up to liking him about 60%.
Now I like him about 80%.
I mean, Len Beck is, as I said months ago, if he continues on his progression, within a year or less, he'll be as hardcore as Alex Jones.
He's done something absolutely incredible.
I haven't talked about Len Beck in a month or so.
We're going to talk about him coming up.
This is big.
This is big.
Stay with us.
dan friesen
So, what do you think?
unidentified
All right.
jordan holmes
I mean, for the guy who's supposed to be obsessed with you, You're the one talking about him a lot.
dan friesen
And how.
jordan holmes
And he's not talking about you.
No.
dan friesen
No.
That's true.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that kind of undercuts that whole obsession kind of angle right there.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
I mean, just because I talk about him every day doesn't mean I'm obsessed or anything.
It's actually him who's obsessed with me.
That's why I have to talk about him, because he's always fucking watching me.
dan friesen
There's a little bit of that feel to that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But he's done something that's got him 80%.
Alex is 80% on his side.
jordan holmes
What does that mean?
dan friesen
Well, he did this fucking flagrantly anti-Semitic two-night event about George Soros.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but I like him 80%.
Do you mean I agree with him 80% of the time?
I'm 80% warm on him.
What does that mean in an interactive level?
dan friesen
It doesn't mean anything.
jordan holmes
How would I talk to you differently if I liked you 80%?
dan friesen
It doesn't mean anything.
jordan holmes
As opposed to 60%?
dan friesen
It's nonsense talk that is meant to be nonsense talk.
It doesn't mean shit.
All right.
jordan holmes
Well, I like that 80%.
dan friesen
It does seem to lead you to assume, oh, wait, maybe, I mean, we're jumping in here after, you know, we don't know what happened the last year before this.
Maybe Alex is already on board with Soros being the puppet master.
jordan holmes
Could be.
dan friesen
Could be.
He predicted it ahead of time because he knows, like, if Beck did any research, this is what he would find.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
It turns out that what he liked about what Glenn Beck did is something entirely different.
Here is what he has to say about the idea of Soros being the puppet master.
alex jones
I will reveal the real puppet masters in two hours and 15 minutes, okay?
jordan holmes
But I'm not obsessed with him!
alex jones
As I predicted two weeks ago, it's George Soros.
Give me a break.
Okay, give me a break.
dan friesen
Give me a break.
Break me up a piece of that George Soros bar.
jordan holmes
So he's going to go with George Soros is not the Dark Sauron of the left.
dan friesen
Give me a break.
jordan holmes
Give me a break!
I have known since 1988 that George Soros was the biggest demon.
dan friesen
Well, he's a country collapsing, currency destroying son of a gun, as it says on his card.
jordan holmes
But if you're gonna say it, then give me a break.
You don't know what you're fucking talking about.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, again, you have to recognize that that clip where Alex is pretending that he's known since childhood is from 2018.
So he's giving himself a little bit of a mythological backstory to this, whereas we see here very clearly...
Alex Jones is not on a George Soros tip here in 2010.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Did anybody ever pick George Soros from the beginning?
Was there a reason?
Or is it just like somebody found out that a Jew was a billionaire, so they were like, well, we gotta stop this?
dan friesen
I think, generally speaking, as is the case with the Protocols of the Elders of Zion itself, there is probably a Russian influence that leads people down the specific anti-Semitic paths that they go down.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
We know that the Protocols of the Elders of Zion were a czarist Russian police...
Plot, basically, to demonize the Jewish population that caught on like wildfire.
jordan holmes
Not hard to demonize the Jews, turns out.
dan friesen
And in this case, it seems very clear that the one person in the entire world who would have a vested interest in demonizing George Soros...
is Vladimir Putin, in as much as George Soros and the Open Societies Foundation have been instrumental in trying to bring democracy to a lot of the parts of the former Soviet Union.
Right.
unidentified
He's tried to help democratize and liberate a number of places, not by overthrowing governments, but by providing support to democratic organizations.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Whether it's through financial support or logistical support, giving them printers to print off material to give to people.
dan friesen
That is one of his big things.
So it does make sense.
jordan holmes
Like a vampire would do.
dan friesen
Well, it's impossible necessarily for us to prove without knowing much more behind-the-scenes stuff.
We can't pretend we know.
jordan holmes
That he is or is not a vampire?
dan friesen
No, that is a very reasonable, I think, conclusion to make.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You know, suspect number one in demonizing Soros is Putin.
jordan holmes
Right.
No, absolutely.
dan friesen
So, it's clear that here, in 2010, Alex is not on the Soros tip at all.
He is very much on another tip, and he's promised, at this point, that at the end of the show, he will tell us who the true puppet master is.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
He teases that throughout the entire episode, because, of course, he wants people to stick around and listen to his dumb commercials.
But, we still don't know, at this point, okay, if you don't agree with his...
You know, assertion that Soros is the puppet master.
What is it that you did like about that clip?
Or about, you know, Glenn Beck's work?
And we find out in this clip.
alex jones
Glenn Beck has come out and talked about government-sponsored terrorism and how they're going to blame it on him and me and others.
Folks, this is big.
Prison Planet headline.
Get it to all the neocons you know.
They get mad if you talk about government-sponsored terror.
Glenn Beck, government preparing to stage terror.
This is big.
Here's the clip.
unidentified
Why does the left need this violence?
Well, listen to a clip from a Democratic pollster, Mark Penn, happened just the other day, and yet no one pays attention to it.
How can the left win the country?
Watch.
Cabinets don't really sell things.
alex jones
The president himself has to reconnect with the people.
unidentified
Remember, President Clinton reconnected through Oklahoma, right?
alex jones
And the president right now seems removed.
unidentified
And it wasn't until that speech that he re-clicked with the American public.
Obama needs a similar kind of event.
Obama needs a similar kind of event.
Like Oklahoma City.
Come on.
If only Barack Obama can have the opportunity to speak to America after another Oklahoma City-type event, then he'll politically be in good shape.
jordan holmes
All right, there.
I get what you're doing.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I got it.
unidentified
Now, according to Drummond Pike, the founder of Tides, who, Drummond, I hope you watch this week because, oh, it's all coming undone this week.
I will be the guy who causes the next Oklahoma City.
glenn beck
This is in a letter, an appeal to advertisers.
unidentified
Of Fox, dear Fox advertisers, read this part of it.
No one, left, right, center, wants to see another Oklahoma City.
The next assassin may succeed.
If so, there will be blood on many hands.
They are setting up another Oklahoma City.
They are claiming that one is coming, and they've already marked the one who caused it.
But don't you miss Wednesday's show when I show you...
jordan holmes
Oh, my God!
alex jones
And he goes on.
So there it is.
Glenn Beck, they are planning in Oklahoma City.
Hey, it isn't George Soros, buddy pal.
dan friesen
Buddy pal.
jordan holmes
Buddy pal?
Right.
dan friesen
So it's not George Soros who's doing it, but here.
In that, you responded exactly where you should have in exactly the right way.
What we have is two fundamental, intentional misunderstandings that Glenn Beck has perpetuated.
The first is in that clip, which is from Hardball with Chris Matthews.
This guy, Mark Penn, is making the argument that the speech...
is what brought people back to him, as opposed to the event itself.
He was saying that Obama needed a speech like that.
If you want to make that argument, that's what he's saying.
Right.
unidentified
He needs a moment of connection, not necessarily that there needs to be a terrorist attack and we're going to fucking do it.
dan friesen
The second one is Glenn Beck saying that when they do make this happen, they're already preemptively blaming me for this.
Buddy, buddy pal, you are a part of the system that is causing people to be radicalized in such a way that leads them to militias that have the propensity to pull these sorts of stunts.
So this person saying the next time something happens, a lot of people will have blood on their hands is not some sort of preemptive blaming for a false flag attack.
It's warning people the logical consequences of their...
jordan holmes
Historically speaking, demagogues who inflame...
White nationalists who are obsessed with guns and have the capability to bomb shit, they're usually the ones pushing people towards the capability of bombing shit.
dan friesen
And especially when their sort of modus operandi is also to inflame feelings of deprivation or victimhood that are lying right behind people's perceptions of equality and plurality.
Which is a good game, because here's the game.
jordan holmes
No, it's a great game.
dan friesen
It's very profitable.
Look at these two assholes.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
I am making the conditions right for people to cause terror attacks.
And because I am doing that, people are going to correctly say that I am doing that.
And by them doing that, I can say they're...
Planning those attacks in order to blame me because I am guilty of it, but even by being guilty, in fact...
By being guilty of it, I can claim that I am not guilty of it.
It's insane, and it works perfectly.
dan friesen
No, it works really well.
jordan holmes
It works really well.
dan friesen
It works so well to, like, it almost, it cannot be coincidental.
Like, it has to be an intentional strategy.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
I just can't wrap my head around the idea that they would just stumble ass backwards into something so ironclad to excuse their behavior in such a way.
It's amazing.
It really is spectacular, and I tip my hat.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
It's an Ouroboros of stupid.
dan friesen
Right, and propaganda.
These are the two really essential misunderstandings.
In the same way that Alex is transversing, like with the MIAC report, transversing the association of the logic of a lot of people.
Who are in militias like Ron Paul, or they support Ron Paul.
He's reporting it as, if you like Ron Paul, then they're saying you're in a demonic terrorist militia.
The same sort of misunderstanding is being done here.
Willingly with this hardball clip where the guy is saying that Bill Clinton brought people back on his side with that great speech that he gave, whereas Glenn Beck is arguing, oh, they're saying that we need a terrorist attack to bring people back together.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So that's not great, but Alex needs whatever he can get.
And so he's like, all right, Glenn Beck's saying that the government's going to fucking do terrorist attacks, which is the misrepresentation Glenn Beck is making.
Exactly.
If I had to guess, I would say that Alex has seen the tremendous success that Glenn Beck has been having since 2009 because of the FreedomWorks money that's flowing into him, because of the 9-12 movement, because of the Tea Party.
And I think that Alex is probably like, alright.
There's a way that I can have an olive branch with Kleinbeck.
I can say that he's been a piece of shit this whole time, but he's right about the government trying to do another Oklahoma City.
Let's see if I can get some of that money.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think that's kind of what's going on.
jordan holmes
That sounds right.
dan friesen
That's some of the sense that I'm getting, or at least the vibe.
jordan holmes
It sounds right.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, you know, I want to play this next clip just so we can be clear that we aren't being unfair when we say that Alex is not interested in really talking about Soros.
alex jones
I can find no fault with what he's doing other than the fact of saying that the Tides Foundation and George Soros are the king puppet masters and that they are getting ready to stage a new Oklahoma City.
Man, he is bold.
dan friesen
All right.
Fair enough.
jordan holmes
He's bold?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He's like a hot cup of coffee with way too much milk in it, that white, silky piece of shit.
dan friesen
Alex can find no fault with Glenn Beck's behavior here in November of 2010.
jordan holmes
None!
dan friesen
With the exception of him saying that fucking Soros is in charge of stuff.
jordan holmes
He should have just said...
All the Jews!
Come on, man!
You missed a real opportunity to make sure that everybody hates all of them, not just one.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Lame.
dan friesen
So, the Glenn Beck clip that Alex played is of this interview on Hardball with Chris Matthews, where he's interviewing Mark Penn.
And Alex had previously posted this, so he's, in his next clip, going to make the argument that Glenn Beck stole his clip.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But he's not mad about it.
And I'm not saying that sarcastically.
He's not really mad about that, but he wants credit that we posted that first.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, of course, of course.
dan friesen
And then he's going to mischaracterize things a little bit with who Mark Penn is.
alex jones
So this is very, very exciting.
You notice he played the very video clip that we played last week and then again on Monday of Clintonite says Obama needs Oklahoma City bombing to reconnect with the American people.
Democratic operative Mark Penn said that.
dan friesen
So he calls him a Clintonite, and that's kind of a problem.
jordan holmes
Why would that be a problem, Dan?
Do you mean somebody who just references a moment from Clinton's campaign and is also a Democrat does not necessarily mean they are a Clintonite?
dan friesen
Well, see, this clip is from November 2010, right?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Mark Penn was the chief strategist for Hillary Clinton's 2008 run, where she lost in the primaries to Barack Obama.
jordan holmes
Some guy out of nowhere.
dan friesen
Now, he was her chief strategist for a bit.
But then, I'm reading from Sourcewatch here.
Quote, on April 4th, 2008, the Wall Street Journal reported that Penn had, quote, met with Columbia's ambassador to the United States on Monday to discuss a bilateral free trade agreement, a pact the presidential candidate, in this case Hillary Clinton, opposes.
So, it turns out that this company that he worked for, Burson Marsteller, this group, this sort of, what would you call it?
Lobbying group.
jordan holmes
Think tank.
dan friesen
Lobbying group.
Lobbying group would be a good one.
They had been contracted in 2007 to lobby for Columbia on behalf of that bilateral trade deal.
Gotcha.
U.S. Department of Justice filings disclosed that in March 2007, BM Burst and Marsteller signed a $300,000 one-year contract with the Colombian Embassy.
In March 2007, the managing director of Burst and Marsteller's Washington regional office and chairman of its issues and advocacy practice, Robert Tappan, signed an agreement with the government of Colombia.
So, what was going on is this Mark Penn was meeting with Colombians.
At the embassy, a Colombian ambassador, under the auspices of his job with Burson Marsteller in order to work on trying to smooth the path to this bilateral trade deal.
That Clinton was opposed to, who he was the chief strategist for at the time.
jordan holmes
Right.
Shouldn't all of that be super illegal in some way?
dan friesen
I'm not sure if it's illegal, but it is very inappropriate.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's bad.
dan friesen
I think it should be illegal.
But the issue is that this came to light on April 4th, 2008, when the Wall Street Journal reported on it, and he got fucking sacked.
jordan holmes
Yeah, because of course he did!
Right.
dan friesen
And so he gets kicked out as her chief strategist and, quote, in a statement, Penn later apologized.
Quote, the meeting was an error in judgment and that will not be repeated.
I am sorry for it.
The senator's well-known opposition to this trade deal is clear and was not discussed, which is probably a lie.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Penn may have thought this statement would mollify the Clinton campaign, but ultimately it did not.
Also, quote, Columbia took offense at Penn's statement that it was, quote, an error in judgment to meet with the Colombian ambassador in Washington, D.C. Quote, the Colombian government considers this a lack of respect to Colombians and finds this response unacceptable.
jordan holmes
Agreed!
I'm a big fan of everybody's point except for Penn's right now.
dan friesen
He also would later say in an interview with The Guardian that with the benefit of hindsight, he would have done things differently.
jordan holmes
Good, good, good, good.
Wait, so now he's on TV?
dan friesen
Yeah, because he was still a fairly credible pollster and poll analysis guy, even after that.
jordan holmes
What does this guy do, man?
dan friesen
The Clinton campaign still did use some of his polling data and stuff like that, but he was a high-level strategist, and he got booted for all this shit.
He's not a Clintonite anymore.
That was a very big fall from grace.
So, in addition to that, trying to paint him as some sort of a liberal or anything like that is kind of disingenuous because he has links to, let's say, big tobacco, anti-union causes.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I'm going to go with Craven is probably a better way to describe him.
dan friesen
He has a deep history of working against and lobbying against what are traditionally liberal causes.
So, I don't feel like...
You know, he's just, inasmuch as he's on hardball with Chris Matthews, he is a talking head who's talking shit.
That's what he's doing.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And he's expressing an opinion that isn't, we need a terrorist attack to get Obama up in the polls.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Saying we need that kind of a speech.
Because that speech that Bill Clinton gave in 95 after Oklahoma City.
jordan holmes
Tremendously moving.
dan friesen
No, it is looked on as one of the great speeches, especially of our lifetimes.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And a galvanizing moment that brought people together.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So.
I don't know.
All this is to say that Mark Penn isn't who Alex is pretending that he is.
He's not a Clintonite.
So you can't even get your Clinton pot shots here.
You can't say that he was an Obama strategist because he was on the team that was against Obama in the primaries.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
All that shit.
So, anyway, this is all to say that there's very little for me to look into in this episode, so I had to look into Mark Penn a little.
jordan holmes
This is all to say that...
Mark Penn went from being the chief strategist of Clinton's campaign, associated with a lobbying firm in D.C., and in the good graces of the Colombian government, to being just a guy.
Just a fucking guy.
Yep, he's just a guy.
dan friesen
So in this next clip, Alex talks more about Soros' position with the globalists.
alex jones
I want to play this little five-minute video, but later when Max Keiser's on, I'm getting into the economy.
I'm getting into who the real puppet masters are since Beck didn't tell you.
He told you it was Soros.
That's a guy way down the totem pole on the left wing of this buzzard, this carrion crow.
dan friesen
So, it's way down the totem pole.
jordan holmes
Way down the totem pole.
dan friesen
On the left side of the carrion crow.
jordan holmes
That was what the PBS documentaries were about, though, when he was growing up.
Whenever his mom was making those gourmet meals.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
And he would bring his girlfriend over.
They've got PBS on there.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
And the PBS guys are just going like...
Again, tonight our next report is that Soros is not that big a deal.
dan friesen
Top story.
Soros, inconsequential in the big scheme of things.
jordan holmes
They ran a ten-part series on how he wasn't that big a deal.
dan friesen
Now, I want to preemptively make an argument here that Alex would probably try to make, or a rebuttal to an argument Alex would try and make.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He would say that in 2010, Soros wasn't.
jordan holmes
Right, but nope.
dan friesen
But the ascendancy, he rose through the ranks later.
And the argument that I would make to that is, if you study things the way that you pretend that you do, and you have all this inside information, then you would know in 2010 that George Soros was earmarked to be the next puppet master.
Because this operation does not operate without a clear...
I always assumed that the globalists were an oligarchy.
jordan holmes
What do you see when you see the leadership of the globalists here?
dan friesen
I don't think they exist.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
What if they did exist?
dan friesen
All I have to go on is Alex's version of it.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And it's not the Louis Beam leaderless resistance kind of model.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
dan friesen
It is absolutely hierarchical to the nth degree.
There is someone at the top who Alex is going to reveal at the end of this episode.
jordan holmes
You think there's a military structure?
Yes.
unidentified
Like there's a guy at the top.
jordan holmes
He's got a few lieutenants underneath him.
Those guys all have aid to calm underneath them.
Yes.
unidentified
And so on and so forth.
dan friesen
That's how Alex uses it.
jordan holmes
And then there are battalions.
dan friesen
Right.
unidentified
To a certain extent, there's circles within circles and there's like inner and outer circles and stuff like that.
jordan holmes
But the buck stops at, well, it will stop at Sora.
unidentified
We'll find out at the end of this episode.
dan friesen
Could be anybody.
jordan holmes
Could be anybody.
dan friesen
There is that, and I must stress that there is literally no way Alex can make the arguments that he makes about himself and about the world that don't include that if Soros is Puppet Master a few years later...
He would have been earmarked.
He would have been tapped to be the next.
It's not like whenever the Dalai Lama dies, they've got to go find him.
It's not like that with the globalist leadership structure.
It's not like, oh no, he's dead.
Let's go find the next one.
They know.
jordan holmes
Isn't there another guy that reincarnates, though, that finds the Dalai Lama?
Yeah, there's the guy who reincarnates into the Dalai Lama, and then there's also the guy who reincarnates into the guy who goes and finds the Dalai Lama.
dan friesen
Which is probably a better position to be in.
Less stakes.
You don't have to be the Dalai Lama, but you get to choose.
jordan holmes
Yeah, still high status.
dan friesen
This baby looks cool.
jordan holmes
Tim.
No way to...
Fact-checked!
dan friesen
Nope.
jordan holmes
No way!
dan friesen
Nope.
jordan holmes
You could just walk down the street and it could be anybody.
dan friesen
Much like Alex with his secret information, the guy who chooses the Dalai Lama has no accountability.
jordan holmes
How many of those guys...
I'm not saying all of them, but how many of those guys either knew beforehand or knew afterwards?
dan friesen
I fucked up.
jordan holmes
I am a fraud.
dan friesen
Probably not.
I think they all probably grew into accepting...
Anyway, look.
We're not here to talk about buyer's remorse on the Dalai Lama, which will be my senior thesis when I go back to grad school.
Do they have senior theses?
Anyway, Alex has been saying that the big good thing that Glenn Beck did is introduce the idea to the much larger audience than Alex has that they're going to stage a right-wing terror attack.
And actually, that's a little bit of a tell on Alex's part, how excited he is that Glenn Beck said this on his show.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because Alex also on this show says Glenn Beck has 3 million viewers.
And if Alex is excited that Glenn Beck with 3 million viewers is saying this, he has less than 3 million listeners.
jordan holmes
Oh, you could say that.
dan friesen
There is that sort of transitive property.
But who cares?
Be that as it may.
Alex also realizes that...
There is a corollary to this.
If Glenn Beck is saying that the government is going to do another Oklahoma City, he can't make fun of other things I say.
alex jones
Because now, how is Glenn going to make fun of people that talk about 9-11 being an inside job?
How are you going to do that, Glenn?
I know it's a religion to hate Muslims.
dan friesen
Whoa!
unidentified
Whoa!
dan friesen
In 2010, Alex Jones is critical of Glenn Beck.
Because he has a religion of hating Muslims.
It's almost like everything he was mad at Glenn Beck about in 2010 is exactly who he became.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
He has a religion of hating Muslims.
He believes that George Soros is the puppet master.
jordan holmes
And that is because Glenn Beck is obsessed with him, Dan!
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
It's Glenn Beck's obsession.
Sure, Alex talks about him all the time.
Sure, Alex wants to be him with his listenership.
Sure, Alex is gradually turning into him in order to court those listeners.
unidentified
But that's because Glenn Beck is obsessed with him.
dan friesen
I don't think it's courting listeners.
jordan holmes
Well, not anymore.
dan friesen
I think, quite frankly, it's...
jordan holmes
Money.
dan friesen
Well, money.
And whoever was influencing Glenn Beck...
Alex wants a piece of it.
jordan holmes
Some of that influence.
dan friesen
Or those people have already decided to hedge their rest with both of them.
And Alex is like, maybe at this point doesn't realize that these are two hands of the same body.
Him and Glenn Beck are both being used in order to radicalize the right wing in America.
So it's possible, but I think it's incredibly likely that the reason that Glenn Beck goes this path and then veers off and is like, Last year was on Samantha Bee apologizing for shit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, fuck off.
dan friesen
Crying all over TV is because that gravy train ended for him.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Whoever was trying to get him to do, or whoever was influencing him to do whatever he was doing, decided he is no longer effective in what we need him to do.
Interestingly, Alex Jones becomes him suspiciously, almost as if he is the new Glenn Beck.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But a more extreme Glenn Beck and someone who has more pretend credibility.
I don't know, though.
jordan holmes
Dark horse candidate.
Dark horse candidate for leader of the globalists, as it stands right now in this episode.
dan friesen
I would love for you to make some bets.
jordan holmes
Mark Penn.
dan friesen
Mark Penn?
jordan holmes
Mark Penn.
dan friesen
Wait, what about Michael Penn?
jordan holmes
See, you bring him back.
Michael Penn can't do it.
unidentified
What if I were Romeo in black jeans?
dan friesen
No?
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no.
What about Michael Bolton?
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
No, I would actually like you to give some legitimate guesses.
I will say that you'll never be able to guess who he says is at the top.
jordan holmes
Of course not.
dan friesen
But I think you could guess some of the people he thinks is around the top.
They're obvious, quite frankly.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Rom.
What about Rom?
No.
Because he already had the Rom sat down on the table and...
Farted in Obama's face or whatever his narrative is.
dan friesen
Brom doesn't come up once.
jordan holmes
Not once.
Okay.
dan friesen
Neither does Obama.
I'll give you that.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Well, that's what I was going with.
It can't be Obama.
That's too simple.
Nobody would ever buy that it was Obama.
Obama has to be a puppet for the puppet master narrative to make sense.
dan friesen
Plus, that's one of the central conceits of the Obama deception.
One of the big arguments is that Obama is just a puppet of bigger forces.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
So that wouldn't serve his interests.
jordan holmes
And it can't still be the Rockefellers in the lake, because that's boring and not sexy.
After you start throwing Soros in there, you can't then throw the Rockefellers back in.
That's no fun.
You're going backwards.
You've got a yes and to this shit.
dan friesen
But we don't have Soros thrown in now.
jordan holmes
Well, Glenn Beck threw Soros in.
dan friesen
That is true.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I have bad news.
It's the Rothschilds and the Rockefellers.
jordan holmes
It is not the Rothschilds and the Rockefellers!
dan friesen
Of course it is.
jordan holmes
That's lame!
dan friesen
I told you it was obvious.
jordan holmes
That's lame, though!
dan friesen
Alex isn't very creative.
He doesn't have a lot of narrative progression that he's able to do on his own.
jordan holmes
You've got to one up.
You can't one down.
dan friesen
The reason I'm fine telling you that is because any right-thinking person who's ever listened to our show should know that.
But also...
That's not who he says is at the top.
jordan holmes
Wait, it's not who he says is at the top?
dan friesen
There is someone at the top of the pyramid.
It is a surprise.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
It's pretty crazy.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
And this next clip brings up that Soros, though it would be absurd for him to be the puppet master, he is a globalist.
alex jones
Now, in a minute or two, and it'll be with us until 40 after next hour, then I'm going to tell you who the real puppet masters are, because Glenn Beck says it's George Soros, and it's not.
George Soros is a bad guy and a globalist, but give me a break.
We're going to tell you who the real puppet masters are.
dan friesen
Exciting.
Exciting.
jordan holmes
Is it?
The Puppet Master from the 80s movies.
dan friesen
The Puppet Master?
jordan holmes
The Puppet Master.
dan friesen
It's not.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
It's not.
Nor is it that guy who had Madam the Puppet?
jordan holmes
No, it's not Madam.
dan friesen
Waylon Flowers.
It's not Waylon Flowers.
jordan holmes
Is it Taylor Mason?
dan friesen
It is not.
It is not whoever used Howdy Doody.
jordan holmes
Howdy Doody?
Not Howdy Doody.
dan friesen
It's not Mortimer Snurd.
None of those famous puppets of old.
jordan holmes
What about the ventriloquist from Goosebumps?
dan friesen
Nope.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
Certainly not.
jordan holmes
Was there a ventriloquist, or was the doll just alive?
dan friesen
Oh, there was absolutely a ventriloquist dummy.
jordan holmes
No, there was a ventriloquist dummy.
dan friesen
There were like 200 of those books.
You think they didn't get to ventriloquism?
jordan holmes
I think there was at least a series of ventriloquists.
But I don't remember if there was ever actually a ventriloquist in those or if it was just the dummy.
dan friesen
I think there had to have been a human involved.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But he might have been a woeful bystander.
jordan holmes
He might have been an evil puppet.
dan friesen
No, the puppet was the evil one.
jordan holmes
The puppet was evil?
I thought the puppet had the spirit of it.
dan friesen
You don't fucking write a Goosebumps story that involves a ventriloquism situation without the puppet being the evil one.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but there is...
There should be a twist to it.
dan friesen
That's what all ventriloquism acts are.
They're just like, the ventriloquist says dirty shit and he claims the puppet.
That's the whole gag.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Of course that's what the goosebumps would be about.
jordan holmes
It's amazing.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
He doesn't even move his voice.
And he does the voice of something else.
dan friesen
So crazy.
jordan holmes
It's like he's not saying it.
dan friesen
So crazy.
unidentified
Oh, man.
dan friesen
So, Soros is a globalist.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Sure.
Fine.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
But it would be crazy to call him the puppet master.
Crazy.
So in this next clip, Alex is like, hey, you know, Glenn Beck, maybe he's not so bad after all.
He's starting to warm up on the guy.
jordan holmes
Like him, 80%.
dan friesen
And then the show takes a weird turn.
alex jones
This is a big change for Glenn.
He said anybody that says the government can stage terror attacks is an evil demon.
And now he's reversing himself because he's being set up.
For the next terror attack, and so am I. They're saying that patriots, anti-globalists, are going to blow up buildings, and they're getting ready to frame us, and that's clear, and Beck is playing the exact same video clips we played last week, the exact same articles we wrote back in July.
He is starting to get the fact that he's in danger.
I think it's more than him just being a corporate shill.
I think he realizes he's about to be hung out to dry.
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dan friesen
That is not a cooking knife, friend.
That is a stabbing knife.
jordan holmes
Yeah!
dan friesen
Alex is selling knives in 2010.
unidentified
Cool.
Cool, cool, cool.
jordan holmes
I guess I'm...
I think...
I'm way happier with people who are super into knives than I am with guns, because most people who are super into knives are just like those guys who are, like, creepily into knives, but non-violent.
dan friesen
I would remind you that Gavin McGinnis was running around New York with a sword over the weekend.
jordan holmes
Yeah!
That's just good, clean fun, Dad!
dan friesen
Yeah, I do agree with you that, like...
I mean, I wouldn't date one or hang out with one very much, but the people who are into knives are usually like a simmering kind of crazy.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Whereas the real gun enthusiasts seem a little more outward.
jordan holmes
And the people who are super into knives usually have better knife display rooms than the gun display guys.
You know what I mean?
dan friesen
There's more of an aesthetic appeal to a lot of craftsmanship that goes into knives and swords and stuff.
Whereas, like, what are you gonna do with a gun?
jordan holmes
It's a gun!
dan friesen
You're not gonna do all that much.
There's too many moving parts to make it all that aesthetically pleasing.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Unless you already like the look of a gun.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Then you're just...
jordan holmes
Then you're creepy.
dan friesen
You're in no matter what.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
But, like, a blacksmith making you a knife?
That's fucking cool whether you're a...
dan friesen
A bespoke knife?
jordan holmes
Yeah!
Come on!
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
I want a blacksmith to make me something.
unidentified
Meh.
dan friesen
So, um, Alex is very clear about his position.
And most of the rest of the clips, other than his reveal, are going to just be reinforcing that.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Soros is not the head of the globalists.
He is down the totem pole.
He's not important.
And we'll deal with why he's saying that at the end of this episode.
Because I think there's actually...
We've hit on a couple reasons, but I have an overarching theory about all of this that I will tease.
jordan holmes
Dick swinging?
dan friesen
There's a little bit of that in there, but I don't think that's the primary motivation.
So here Alex brags more about his moles and then points the finger at exactly what he's doing.
alex jones
We have moles everywhere.
We are the true liberty movement.
I got so many moles, I can't even talk to half of them, 10% of them.
But I don't even need the moles.
I can see where people are going to go.
I can see what's going to happen.
This is what I do.
And anybody, if you immerse yourself in real information and what the globalists are up to instead of patriot infighting that the globalists try to push us into, because if we ever come together and start focusing on the new world order, it's over.
dan friesen
What you're doing is patriot infighting, quite frankly.
Yeah.
Splitting hairs about Glenn Beck's bullshit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
But then...
What he's saying there is so invalidating.
He's like, I got all these moles, too many moles to talk to, but I don't need moles because I know everything and I know what's going to happen.
If you know what's going to happen, then you should have been like, you know what?
He's wrong that Soros is the head of things, but he will be right in the future.
I have to keep stressing that.
If Alex has real information, then his response shouldn't be, Soros isn't important.
It should be...
He's in line, but he's still waiting for the old guard to disappear.
jordan holmes
Rebuttal to that.
Let's talk the death of Stalin.
So, the globalist New World Order leader, instead of earmarking Soros for the next position, He dies before he gets the chance to pick a successor.
So now all of these guys are like jockeying for position, killing each other left and right to see who's going to take over.
dan friesen
The globalists learned from the lessons of Stalin and now have a rigidly hierarchical system.
jordan holmes
I really don't think anybody's learned from the lessons of Stalin.
dan friesen
I know this because of my secret sources within the globalist COG.
jordan holmes
I apologize.
dan friesen
No.
Everyone has learned the lessons of the past, and we won't go down those roads again.
Anyway, in this next clip, Alex Jones.
Alex, in this next clip, prepares to reveal who is at the top of the pyramid of the globalists.
jordan holmes
Yes.
alex jones
I will reveal who the real puppets are.
The real puppets?
Glenn Beck, don't trust him because of things like this.
dan friesen
Don't trust him.
alex jones
Here it is today.
jordan holmes
I like him 80%.
alex jones
George Soros exposed on the progressive puppet master.
The progressives.
I've heard Rick Perry.
There was video of him in the San Antonio Express News in quotes two days ago going, it's the progressives of the 1920s.
A bunch of beatniks, a bunch of liberals, a bunch of commies, Bertrand Russell.
Yeah, we've talked about all them.
We've talked about George Bernard Shaw years ago.
unidentified
What?
alex jones
They're in my films.
But they're just left-wing acolytes pushing this.
What about the Trotskyites becoming the neocons, Glenn?
Let me tell you who's at the top of the pyramid.
And I want to do a whole presentation on this.
I've done it before, but I want to do, in the next few weeks, who the true puppet masters are and really create a pyramid graphic that shows the different blocks.
dan friesen
Right there at the end, Alex clearly watched some of Glenn Beck's shows like that.
Fucking chalkboard is great.
I really like that chalkboard.
jordan holmes
It's a really good...
dan friesen
So he's like, what about George Bernard Shaw?
What about these...
jordan holmes
What about George Bernard Shaw?
dan friesen
What about the Trotskyites becoming the neocons?
jordan holmes
What about the Trotskyites?
dan friesen
I need a chalkboard.
That's all I hear there.
It's like, there's so many lines I could draw.
jordan holmes
Grains are at the bottom.
And then Soros is a step above that.
You can only have four to six servings of him per day.
But who is at the top of the pyramid, Dan?
dan friesen
Alex would never say this sort of thing about, like, well, progressives are just another piece of this now.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
They're the people he hates the most.
jordan holmes
Well, they're the ones who are into socialism.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And what have you.
alex jones
Sure.
dan friesen
What he should have thought back then if he had any kind of intellectual consistency.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But he don't.
So now we get to the reveal.
Who is at the top?
jordan holmes
Who is at the top?
dan friesen
Of the pyramid.
alex jones
The globalists have to control the full field.
They've got to have fake right-wingers and fake left-wingers.
They've got to try to infiltrate the libertarians.
They've got to try to gauge and control all opposition.
But at the very top of the pyramid is the private Federal Reserve.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Oh, it's just the private Federal Reserve?
Oh, come on.
dan friesen
What a disappointing...
unidentified
Wait, so the head of the Fed is the head of the globalists?
dan friesen
What a disappointing reveal.
jordan holmes
That was such a bummer.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's got to be a guy!
dan friesen
I was waiting the entire show.
They're like, oh man, he's going to name names.
unidentified
Yeah!
dan friesen
It's going to get exciting.
jordan holmes
It's got to be a guy!
dan friesen
There's the damn Federal Reserve!
unidentified
Just the concept of the Federal Reserve?
dan friesen
Yep.
The Federal Reserve is what does everything.
You know, it's everybody, all the globalists who Alex is worried about, they're really just doing the bidding of the Federal Reserve.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's sort of where he's at.
jordan holmes
Well, then the head of the Fed, because they're rotating, have to be puppets.
They can't be the puppet masters.
So at the Fed, it's got to be somebody who is like a staffer, you know?
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Regardless of what administration is in office, they're always there.
They're like a vice president.
dan friesen
They're like a verbal kent.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
The usual suspect is in play.
Yeah, it's like someone...
Maybe four steps down the hierarchy of the Federal Reserve is actually in charge of it all.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Or something.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Or something.
Because you're right.
That is an essential piece of this.
If you are the head of the Federal Reserve, which is the top of the globalist New World Order pyramid, and your job only lasts eight years or whatever.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you can't be doing that.
And then Soros would never get the job.
dan friesen
Never.
jordan holmes
Never.
dan friesen
I mean, he's not the head of the Fed now, so Alex's cosmology is even off.
The idea that the Federal Reserve is the head is what he's saying in 2010, in 2018, and years prior.
Soros is the top, who has never been the head of the Fed.
jordan holmes
No.
But it is suspicious that the Federal Reserve building is a pyramid.
dan friesen
That is suspicious.
So here's where George Soros is at.
alex jones
George Soros in the pyramid is not even up near the capstone.
He's a globalist, he's an operative.
But above him is Henry Kissinger, Zbigniew Brzezinski, George Solz, the Bush family, the Clintons.
They are just management team front people, though.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
George Soros is basically middle management.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's the head of a retail operation.
jordan holmes
He has to do wet work from time to time.
dan friesen
He is like the manager of the globalist footlocker or whatever.
He's not important.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
He's one of these middle management types where there's people above him, even Kissinger's above him.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
And he's not even a plainclothes manager at Foot Locker yet.
He still has to wear the outfit.
unidentified
Oh, stripes.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he still has to wear it.
dan friesen
Yep.
So here is where we get to, you know, who are important.
alex jones
But right up here at the top is the Rothschilds, the Rockefellers, the British royal family, and they're all intermarried now.
That's how the Rothschilds are lords.
They're all right up here at the top.
And they will go into other countries and team up with the Lee family that's run China for hundreds of years, with the Mishibishis, with the Hondas, with others.
And so up here you've got all these elites.
And the British Empire was the model for covert control.
That's who the puppet masters are.
That's who controls the strings into the nation states and the petty regional elites.
And all these petty regional elites, they get invited to CFR meetings, trilateral commission meetings up here in the next to the highest strata.
They get invited up here to feel like they're all powerful.
dan friesen
So if you hear...
jordan holmes
So it is an oligarchy.
dan friesen
Well, but if you hear...
Well, to a certain extent, it appears to be one.
But if you hear what he's saying there, he's saying at the end that Soros, people like him who are on his level are inconsequential.
They're hangers-on.
Who just get brought around so they can feel important hanging out at, let's say, Bohemian Grove with the people who really do matter.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Or go to Bilderberg so they can hang around with Prince Barnard's offspring or whatever.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I wouldn't want to do that, even if I was a rich dude.
dan friesen
So, you know, Rockefellers, Rothschilds, super important.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
And here's a specific Rockefeller.
alex jones
There's David Rockefeller.
He's been called the omnibudsman of the New World Order.
He's written books admitting he wants world government and the end of U.S. sovereignty.
Okay, that guy is in the upper reaches of the very top of the capstone.
dan friesen
So, David Rockefeller.
jordan holmes
Did he just say omnibudsman?
dan friesen
I think he said that before.
If he did again, it rolls off my back whenever he says stuff like that.
unidentified
Omnibudsman?
dan friesen
He said omnibudsman before, but I think he said ombudsman.
Let's try it.
jordan holmes
I'm telling you, he said omnibudsman.
alex jones
There's David Rockefeller.
He's been called the omnibudsman.
dan friesen
Yeah, he did.
alex jones
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I just didn't catch it because he says it so much.
jordan holmes
I can't believe he's allowed to say that.
dan friesen
That is weird that it's not like a...
jordan holmes
No one stops him?
dan friesen
It's weird that it's a...
Inconsistent misuse.
You know, like, it's not just something he mispronounced one day.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
That's wild to me.
That's crazy.
jordan holmes
Nobody's corrected him.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
But he does that with toinkos, too.
When he says coin toss, he accidentally, he pronounces it toinkos every time.
jordan holmes
Really?
dan friesen
Yeah, whenever he's talked about football, he's like, oh, the toinkos going on.
What?
jordan holmes
Does he always say, for all intensive purposes?
dan friesen
I don't think he's ever said that.
jordan holmes
Instead of, for intensive purposes?
dan friesen
I don't know.
So the Rockefellers, Rothschilds, they're the ones who are super important.
The Federal Reserve is at the top, and here is how Alex closes things out on his show, disparaging George Soros even more in this next clip.
alex jones
So, that's the real Puppet Masters, not George Soros, who in the pyramid is way down here at the bottom of the second level strata from the top.
He's in the servant class.
I'll come back and cover more of this.
Glenn Beck, you're welcome to use this, okay?
I dare you to talk about the Rothschilds and the Rockefellers and the Queen of England.
I dare you to do it, buddy.
Okay, there it is.
Real simple.
Took about four minutes.
There's the real Pyramid of Power.
There's the real Puppet Masters.
dan friesen
Cool.
jordan holmes
It took a lot longer than four minutes, Alex.
It took you three hours.
dan friesen
It took, well, that's because of a lot of teasing.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It took him probably four minutes real time to draw it and talk about the...
Trotskyites becoming neocons and what have you.
jordan holmes
He's got to get a chalkboard.
dan friesen
Yeah, he should.
I would like that.
But, yeah, so Soros is in the servant class.
jordan holmes
If I had a few billion dollars, I'd be really bummed if I was still in the servant class.
dan friesen
Yeah, but you're the servant in the kingdom as opposed to the rich man in the slums.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'd probably be happier as the rich man in the slums.
dan friesen
Yeah, probably.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I think that's a way better place to be.
dan friesen
Yeah, like the guy running the numbers game?
jordan holmes
Yeah, you still get to party.
If you're in a secret society, you never get to party like that.
And if you do, it turns into a whole orgy and shit.
Sometimes you just want to go to a bar and get drunk.
You don't want to watch everybody fuck in front of you, you know?
dan friesen
Yeah.
The way Alex is presenting it is very similar to...
I don't know if you ever watched John Hodgman on The Daily Show when he created his deranged billionaire character.
jordan holmes
Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
His last appearance was when he was going off to rejoin the deranged billionaires on Mars.
And Jon Stewart's like, "If you're going up there, who does the menial tasks?
You're not going to do that when you're up there." And they play a montage of clips of commercial space travel for millionaires, implying that the millionaires go up and just become their servants.
Alex is presenting that same sort of idea here.
Soros is a billionaire, sure, but he's in the servant class of these.
There's always a packing order.
And I think very unlikely.
So now, we have to ask ourselves a little bit about the timing of all of this, because we're in November 2010, and this is really about a week after the midterm elections in 2010.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So what happened, if you don't recall, is in 2008, Obama won.
And there was a lot of seats went Democrat.
jordan holmes
Blue wave!
dan friesen
A bit of a blue wave, one would say.
jordan holmes
What happened in 2010?
dan friesen
In 2010, in the midterms, because of the rise of the Tea Party and the galvanizing of nativist, false populist mentality.
jordan holmes
And a shit ton of money!
dan friesen
Largely from the Koch brothers, Sheldon Adelson.
jordan holmes
A shit ton of money!
dan friesen
Freedom works, Citizens for...
jordan holmes
Americans for Prosperity.
dan friesen
I was thinking of Citizens for a Sound Economy, which is what became FreedomWorks and Americans for Prosperity.
Because of that influx of money, propagandists like Glenn Beck that they paid for and Sean Hannity that created this astroturfed movement that became so heavily covered by the media.
We end up in a situation here where in the Senate, Republicans gained six seats.
In the House, they gained 63 seats, and they gained six governorships.
The Republicans completely destroyed the game in 2010.
They took over everything.
jordan holmes
And that is why we are where we were.
Because when they take over everything, they immediately set about fucking everything up behind them and trying to close those doors so it can't be done to them.
When we took over everything, we bitched at each other about whether or not we could even afford to compromise.
Well, we have to do this based on a Republican plan.
That way the Republicans will support it.
They're interested in bipartisan leadership.
And that is why we lose.
dan friesen
Well, the reason that I bring this up, though, is because...
The situation that we have is very similar to the situation that we see in 2018.
Inasmuch as the midterm elections have happened, and it's very difficult to continue your rhetoric of needing to fight and all that stuff.
When you have just won everything.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
So we have the House and the Senate and the governor houses all going deeply Republican in 2010.
And if you're someone who is a partisan hack like Glenn Beck, what you need to do is evolve your narrative into something that's much more insidious.
Your enemy isn't the Democrats because you've already beat them.
You have all the cards.
You hold all the power.
And you cannot be realistically...
You can't blame them.
For things that don't work out in government.
Because your team can just do anything.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And so, in order to keep propaganda machines going, and to keep this working and the profits coming in, you need to create a deeper narrative.
You need a Jew.
Yeah.
That deeper narrative that Glenn Beck chose to do is this George Soros is the head of the deep...
Underground, secretive New World Order stuff that's really what the problem is.
Now, to a certain extent, that is ripping off Alex's worldview.
Because the New World Order, the idea that behind the scenes there's all these shadowy forces, is something that Alex has always pushed into the mainstream.
And what troubles me about this is when we look at the parallels to the modern day, after the 2016 election, that is where Alex no longer had anything to worry about.
His guy is now in office.
The Republicans controlled both houses of Congress.
It wasn't...
He's, in 2018, or 2016, in the exact same position that Glenn Beck was in 2010.
He was the propagandist.
Glenn Beck was the propagandist in 2010 that was leading this Tea Party's shit.
He was the most on board with it, even though Sean Hannity and Rush were, you know, at least mostly in favor of it.
He was the figurehead of it, to a great degree.
jordan holmes
Because he was willing to embrace what it was really about, which is racism and conspiracy theories.
dan friesen
And he was wholly funded by the people who were pushing it.
In a way that Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh were boosted by them.
jordan holmes
But they still have some autonomy.
dan friesen
They didn't have almost entire ownership.
So, the reason that this is interesting is now Alex Jones in 2016 is in the same position as Glenn Beck was in 2010.
And what do we see?
We see a ramping up of the Soros stuff.
Now, he was always there before, but now anytime anything goes, like, left.
Anytime there's a left protest, you see Soros being blamed.
Much like Glenn Beck jumped the shark.
In 2010, November of 2010, with this Soros puppet master thing, Alex is in the middle of a very extended shark jump that he's doing, with every single time there's something, oh my god, look at these contracts I found on 4chan that prove that Soros is funding Antifa.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
All this stuff, it's exactly the same.
We see a six-year mirror here of Glenn Beck, Alex Jones.
And when we look back and see what Alex Jones thought of this in 2010, we see him saying, You, sir, are a fool.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Alex, I would ask you to look in the mirror and see some of yourself in the past calling yourself a fool.
jordan holmes
Republicans actually already outlawed mirrors.
I have an update from our previous episode.
unidentified
No more mirrors?
jordan holmes
No Republican is ever allowed to look at themselves in the mirror ever again.
dan friesen
I think...
jordan holmes
Again, they slammed the door shut behind them.
dan friesen
I think that's smart.
I think that's smart.
jordan holmes
It's brilliant on their part.
I wish I hadn't given them the idea.
dan friesen
Yeah, that was bad of you.
jordan holmes
That was bad.
dan friesen
I don't know how to put a button on this, Jordan.
I don't know what I think.
I don't know exactly what conclusions can be drawn from this, but it's weird.
It's very weird.
jordan holmes
I think we can safely draw this conclusion.
dan friesen
Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Something is going on, and these people are fucking dark, man.
dan friesen
Something is rotten in Denmark, as that expression goes.
I don't think that's how the expression goes.
jordan holmes
Nah, don't worry about it.
dan friesen
Something's wrong in Denmark?
jordan holmes
It's a quote, actually.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's not an expression.
dan friesen
It's become an expression.
jordan holmes
I mean, yeah.
What's the quote?
Something's wrong in Denmark.
dan friesen
Jerk.
jordan holmes
Check out what's going down in Denmark.
It ain't no good.
dan friesen
I set out initially looking back at these episodes because I had a working theory.
It was that Alex Jones is a deeply petty man.
So, if you go back to the point where Glenn Beck does his presentation on Soros, if he was already talking about Soros...
That would trigger him to the point of screaming the entire show about how Glenn Beck is ripping me off, this is my shit, all along.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
So I knew that if he was talking about him, we'd have that response.
And if he wasn't talking about him, his pettiness would still be there, and he would need to be like, I know more than you.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
So the conclusion that we come to is, that is, the latter is what happened.
He doesn't think that Soros is a big bad guy.
And that means that...
Our investigation in 2009, we still need to find out the Tea Party stuff.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
But that Soros question would not be answered until, I mean, at least this point.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Which is a year and a half off from where we are.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we can't pull that one out.
dan friesen
So that question is here.
I don't know what we're going to do with that.
jordan holmes
You fucking saved us a lot of time skipping to the end of the Soros investigation.
dan friesen
But it's not the end.
jordan holmes
It's not the end.
dan friesen
You still don't have a conclusion.
jordan holmes
No, well, I mean, the conclusion is...
dan friesen
It's not in 2009.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Yeah, so I don't know.
I'm flummoxed.
I don't know how to end this without just saying, like...
jordan holmes
Do you want to hear my theory?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Do you want to hear my...
Here's my prescription.
Here's how we do this.
We've been trying protesting and shit like that.
That hasn't been doing right.
What if we try their own tactics against them?
dan friesen
I don't like where you're going with it.
jordan holmes
Here's what we do.
I go on TV and I say, you're right.
We have been paid by George Soros to protest.
But the only reason we've been paid by George Soros is because we are...
Not being paid enough by all of these bosses.
Where at the same time, those bosses are paying our senators.
They're lobbying our senators.
Who's really getting paid more money?
Is it the protesters or it's the senators?
And the senators are the ones who are directing Trump's agenda.
They're the ones who are secretly controlling Trump.
So you have to say that the Koch brothers are secretly controlling Trump.
And you can't trust them, Trump.
We actually, all of the paid protesters actually love Trump.
But he doesn't know it because he's being...
We're convinced that we're against him.
So if we can convince him that what's really going on is that the Koch brothers are laughing at him, they're making fun of him, just like when he was a millionaire in New York City and all of the big people were just laughing at him.
They were like, oh, he's a McDonald's billionaire.
He's nothing.
They're still doing that to Trump.
And that's why Trump needs to listen to us.
So then they're going to be like, oh, well, Jordan already gave away his plan before we even did it.
Then I can just say, you can doctor that audio.
unidentified
Bullshit.
jordan holmes
You made all that shit up.
You can't trust it.
Trump can only trust us.
We're the only ones he can trust because we admitted it.
We admitted that we got paid by George Soros to protest.
These Republican senators, they won't admit that they're wholly owned by Koch brothers.
And then you say, oh, well, you can trust his kids.
You can't trust Ivanka.
You can't trust those kids.
They're mad.
They're mad because they want your money.
You can't trust those people.
dan friesen
They're trying to poison you with a slow-acting narcotic in your Kochs.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
We all know this to be true.
dan friesen
Alex Jones told me.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
That's how we do it.
We weaponize their own lies against them.
dan friesen
That's just confusing enough to work.
jordan holmes
I think it might actually work.
For real?
Have we tried cheating?
We gotta try cheating once.
I don't wanna cheat.
Why not?
They're doing it.
dan friesen
Nah, but that doesn't make it okay.
jordan holmes
But what if we do it better?
dan friesen
I still think that, like, cheating, even if you believe that the end result is good, it's still like...
You sort of sully the turf that you're playing on, you know?
And you take away people's right to free will, to a certain extent, when you try and trick them into something healthy.
jordan holmes
I'm not trying to trick anybody but Trump.
And then, on TV, every time I say this, and it's like, I'm talking to Rachel Maddow or something, and she's like, you can't possibly believe that.
I will continue on with the speech, but then I'll give a big ol' wink.
I'll be like, eh?
Eh?
You get it?
And they're going to be like, ha ha, we saw that wink.
And I'll be like, you can't trust that wink.
I was scratching my eyes.
That wasn't a wink.
dan friesen
You're still going to end up inadvertently tricking a lot of people.
jordan holmes
But I'm trying to trick the ones who need to be tricked.
The ones who are already tricked.
I'm trying to trick them back.
dan friesen
See, this is where you get into real dangerous games.
You'll end up creating a mythology that will run away from you in a way that you can't control anymore.
jordan holmes
I know.
dan friesen
In the same way the Koch brothers creating the Tea Party got out of control for them to a point where they can't control that anymore.
In the same way, you would create some sort of weird blinking mythology of like...
There'd be some sort of, like, demon sign.
You're trying to trigger the attack teams by winking on air.
jordan holmes
I'm not trying to trigger anybody.
You can't prove that.
dan friesen
Can't fall back on...
Trust me, from my research of these people, they're not concerned with proving things.
jordan holmes
Exactly!
dan friesen
So you saying you can't prove that is not a deterrent to them saying it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but I'm saying it back at them.
We're at an impasse.
We cancel each other out.
dan friesen
That's not how that works.
unidentified
No, no, no.
jordan holmes
We cancel each other out and then rational people are allowed to take over behind our backs.
dan friesen
That's not how that works.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Anyway, I don't know what to say in summation of this.
I hope your plan works out.
I'm not going to join you, but good luck.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
I'm going to give it a shot.
So, anyway, here we are.
November 11th, 2010.
Alex Jones does not care about Soros at all.
unidentified
Nope.
dan friesen
And he thinks that Glenn Beck, wow, his misunderstanding of that hardball clip is nice.
He thinks he's a fool for thinking that Soros is the puppet master of the New World Order globalists because, of course, it's the Federal Reserve, the Rothschilds, and the Rockefellers, as he believed in 2009.
So there's been no advancement on that front whatsoever.
Such a bummer.
Crazy.
Alex is stupid.
Anyway, we have a website, knowledgefight.com.
jordan holmes
We do have a website, knowledgefight.com.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
What if you wanted to find us on some sort of social media network?
dan friesen
Well, there's Twitter.
We have knowledge underscore fight.
jordan holmes
Is there another one?
dan friesen
Facebook.
jordan holmes
Is there a smaller place within one of those social media networks?
dan friesen
We have a group called Go Home and Tell Your Mother You're Brilliant.
jordan holmes
Indeed we do.
Could you find us on iTunes?
dan friesen
Yep, we're there.
jordan holmes
What if you subscribe?
dan friesen
You could do that.
jordan holmes
How about leaving a review?
dan friesen
That would be nice.
jordan holmes
That would be a good idea.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Be real mighty fine of y 'alls.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it would be really nice.
But you know it's not really nice.
dan friesen
What's that?
jordan holmes
I know Glenn Beck hasn't killed a guy.
dan friesen
Well, we don't know that.
jordan holmes
We don't know that.
dan friesen
But he has not said on air that he probably killed a guy.
Unlike one guy I know named Alex Jones.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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