Today, Dan and Jordan discuss an episode of Project Camelot where Sweary Kerry interviews a guy who claims to have worked for the Department of Defense in a top secret capacity, but seems to want to talk more about his very interesting career in show business.
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| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
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Thanks for holding. | |
| Hello, Alex. | ||
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your work. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Hey, everybody. | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
| I'm Jordan. | ||
| We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Indeed we are. | ||
| Dan? | ||
| Hey there, friend. | ||
| Dan? | ||
| What? | ||
| Have you ever started a fire from a bow drill? | ||
| First of all, I don't know what a bow drill is. | ||
| It's a thing that you used to start a fire. | ||
| It's like a drill. | ||
| Mr. Barquart's shop class in my middle school did not include bow drills. | ||
| Oh, are you talking about one of those things where you... | ||
| Yeah, where you're just like... | ||
| That's some great podcast acting out. | ||
| It's not really a drill so much as it's a thing to make a fire out in the woods. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I definitely tried. | ||
| I'm sure I've never succeeded. | ||
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All right. | |
| Have you ever made a fire with anything other than... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, I used to camp a lot. | ||
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Did you? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| How did you make fires when you camped? | ||
| Propane torch. | ||
| Not a lighter. | ||
| Not a lighter, technically. | ||
| Not a lighter. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| I think I've started... | ||
| I know that I have, but they've never been impressive. | ||
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Right. | |
| I've started little small fires with, like, flint. | ||
| For sure. | ||
| But I don't think that I've ever been able to then transition that to a larger fire. | ||
| Okay, I got you. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| You couldn't turn the coal into the thing, and then you hold it in your hands and you blow on it, and then you set it down. | ||
| Generally, I was drunk. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| Central Missouri time we're talking about. | ||
| That sounds about right for Central Missouri flame building. | ||
| Have you started a fire with a bar drum, Mr. I don't like camping? | ||
| I don't even like going outside. | ||
| Come on, I've never started a fire. | ||
| Gotta get into nature, my friend. | ||
| Hell no! | ||
| Hell no! | ||
| So, this is a show where I preach the gospel of nature and know a lot about Alex Jones, and you do not. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Before we get into today's show, I'd like to take a moment to give a shout-out and a... | ||
| That's a weird thing. | ||
| Well, the shout-out is fine, but the wah is about our last episode. | ||
| The shout-out goes to my good friend, Nicky Gifts, one of my best buds in the world. | ||
| He was listening to the episode, and he contacted me and informed me that that story about Ron Paul possibly being involved with the takeover of Dominica. | ||
| Not true? | ||
| No, it was on an episode of The Dollop, and I didn't remember that. | ||
| Oh, goddammit! | ||
| I don't remember. | ||
| I don't know if I've heard... | ||
| But it really bummed me out. | ||
| Yeah, we don't get to do... | ||
| What are we going to do? | ||
| The Simpsons? | ||
| The Simpsons did it first. | ||
| Fine. | ||
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Fuck off. | |
| Fuck off. | ||
| So anyway, sorry if you guys have heard that from there already. | ||
| Yeah, come on. | ||
| That really bums me out. | ||
| The My Favorite Murder podcast is entirely about them just reading shit that other people have done. | ||
| I think we're fine. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| As long as we didn't purposefully misattribute it, then I think we're good. | ||
| Did not. | ||
| I just feel self-conscious. | ||
| It's irrelevant. | ||
| But I felt like it was our due diligence to call that out. | ||
| I don't know, man. | ||
| Weird American history intersects with a lot of the stuff that we end up talking about. | ||
| Anyway, something that is not meh is our new donors. | ||
| I'd like to give a shout-out to a couple people who stepped in. | ||
| And decided to support the show. | ||
| Very exciting. | ||
| I'd like to give, first of all, a shout out to Tiffany. | ||
| Congratulations. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk. | ||
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| Thank you, Tiffany. | ||
| Hey, Tiffany! | ||
| We appreciate it so much. | ||
| We also appreciate Weston. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| You are now a policy wonk, Weston. | ||
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| Thank you. | ||
| Weston, before you continue to donate, you do know my hard yes on white genocide, right? | ||
| I'm not saying you're white, but Weston is a really white name. | ||
| It has the feeling of maybe aristocracy. | ||
| Yeah, a little bit. | ||
| Well, that should not be held against him or her. | ||
| I'm not sure. | ||
| I don't know if I want to gender the name Weston. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| I have no idea either. | ||
| All I know is the direction on top. | ||
| Weston. | ||
| Weston. | ||
| Also, I'd like to give a shout-out and a thank you. | ||
| Thank you so much, Big Tim. | ||
| You are now a technocrat. | ||
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. | ||
| Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. | ||
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Daddy Sharp. | |
| Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. | ||
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He's a loser little titty baby. | |
| I don't want to hate black people. | ||
| I renounce Jesus Christ! | ||
| Thank you, Big Tim. | ||
| Thank you very much, Big Tim. | ||
| We appreciate it oh so much. | ||
| And if any of you listening out there would like to support the show, as these fine folks and many others have, you can go to our website, knowledgefight.com, click that button that says support the show, and we would appreciate it. | ||
| Indeed you can. | ||
| Thank you all. | ||
| Now, Jordan, we've got to get down to business. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| It's been a long road to hoe. | ||
| We've talked a lot of... | ||
| A lot of Alex Jones in the last, let's say, three weeks or so have not had many sidetracks. | ||
| No, we haven't taken a break. | ||
| It's been hardcore. | ||
| We've not. | ||
| And actually, Nicky Gifts, when I was texting with him earlier, he said, you need to take a vacation. | ||
| Yeah, that sounds right. | ||
| And so tonight, we're taking a little vacation. | ||
| Here is an out-of-context drop from our vacation. | ||
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Oh, I've been to jail. | |
| I've been to jail. | ||
| I have no problem with going to jail. | ||
| All right, fine. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Yeah, sweary Carrie Cassidy and Project Camelot, guys. | ||
| We are back in business. | ||
| Hey! | ||
| Oh, this is such a relief. | ||
| Although the out-of-context drop being a guy who's fine with going to jail and has been there before, all of a sudden now I'm like, is this going to turn into one of those episodes where you did a ton of research and it's like... | ||
| This guy has killed nine people. | ||
| And somehow he got out on the technicality because he believes in too much space for them to commit him. | ||
| It almost was. | ||
| And I need to call this out ahead of time just in case anybody Googles this and is like, whoa, what the fuck? | ||
| They didn't talk about this. | ||
| The guy we're going to be covering is a guy named Ronald Farham. | ||
| And I was looking into it, and I found a dude named Ronald Farnham who was arrested for child pornography. | ||
| That's not good. | ||
| I don't want that to be our dude. | ||
| I was like, oh, this ruins all the fun here. | ||
| It turns out, from what I understand, I was reading about it on a message board. | ||
| It's a different dude, different middle names. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Ronald Farnham was off-planet at the time. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Legit different dude. | ||
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Oh, okay. | |
| We can laugh because this guy, the only time he's been arrested, as far as I can tell, is in 2016, on August 31st, Ronald Farnham was arrested in Augusta, Georgia, when security guards told him to stop selling CDs on Augusta Mall property. | ||
| Quote, according to a Richmond County police report... | ||
| He's got a great mixtape. | ||
| Does the police report remind you how great his mixtape is? | ||
| It does not. | ||
| It does say that, quote, Farnham refused to leave and told law enforcement that private property laws don't apply to him because he's part of... | ||
| That is a good reason. | ||
| That's a good reason. | ||
| That's the only arrest I can find for him. | ||
| I don't know if he ended up going to prison for that. | ||
| Is the people a larger group or just the people? | ||
| I'm sure he capitalizes it, whatever the case is. | ||
| So I already told you this guy's name, and let's jump into Carrie's introduction for him. | ||
| Hi, everyone. | ||
| I'm Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot, and very happy to be here tonight. | ||
| So we've got a fascinating guest, and his name is Ronald Russell Farnham. | ||
| And I think his family name is somewhat well-known, so I'm going to actually ask him about that. | ||
| Good news, everyone! | ||
| But I'm going to bring him on the show here, just if you stand by. | ||
| And, Ronald, welcome. | ||
| Hey, Carrie. | ||
| How are you? | ||
| Thanks for having me on. | ||
| I don't know how much I can answer about my name, my Farnham last name. | ||
| The Russell name is a little bit different. | ||
| He doesn't really explain. | ||
| What? | ||
| I don't particularly. | ||
| What? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| What? | ||
| This? | ||
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No. | |
| I'm looking forward to making a lot of Futurama references, Dan. | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| This is gonna happen. | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| You can't get bogged down on him not explaining his name. | ||
| We have so much to get through. | ||
| You can't just say that. | ||
| What did he even say? | ||
| Nothing. | ||
| Kerry re-interjects and directs the conversation. | ||
| Russell is a little bit of a different story. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
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Fine, fine, fine. | |
| Let's keep moving. | ||
| It's so inconsequential. | ||
| Let's keep moving. | ||
| So, at this point... | ||
| You know, you probably want to know what he's doing on the show. | ||
| Especially given that, like, in the last couple months, Carrie's guests have been a janitor who's discovered a hyperspace drive. | ||
| Who else could have? | ||
| I've seen Good Will Hunting. | ||
| Three interviews with a racist Pleiadian named Eddie Page. | ||
| Really? | ||
| You can't find a racist anymore? | ||
| Except in space. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| And so, like, you're like, what is this guy's deal? | ||
| What's he coming to the table with? | ||
| Thankfully, to start this episode off, Ronald Farham gives his own sort of bona fides, his curriculum viate, his resume. | ||
| I will say ahead of time, I can't confirm or deny any of this, but I don't believe it. | ||
| Let's write down a list. | ||
| I know it's kind of wide-ranging, your background, so can we start out with your... | ||
| Your stint, I think, is it 15 years in the Department of Defense? | ||
| Yeah, in 93, I went into the Army as a signals intelligence analyst and a Korean linguist, and I went through all the training. | ||
| I went to language school up in Monterey at Defense Language Institute in Monterey for a couple of years, studied Korean. | ||
| And then I went to Signals Intelligence School. | ||
| And then I went to Korea. | ||
| And then I went to Fort Gordon. | ||
| In Korea, I basically was doing briefings in Korean and technical briefings. | ||
| And then that was while I was still on active duty. | ||
| I became a sergeant over there in Korea. | ||
| And then I came back to the States and I went to Fort Gordon for a year. | ||
| and I worked in the GCCTK, which is a facility where we monitored Korea. | ||
| That was my area of responsibility because I was a Korean linguist. | ||
| I went to Central Command and I worked in the Hmm. | ||
| up until 2001. | ||
| In fact, my last day on active duty was Friday, September 7th, 2001. | ||
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Just a few days. | |
| Four days before 9-11. | ||
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Hmm. | |
| Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. | ||
| Are you concocting a theory? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| He has told us a lot about where he was all the way up until 9-11. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| It's kind of suspicious that he leaves out where he was on 9-11, Dan. | ||
| Very weird. | ||
| Very suspicious! | ||
| So, I think that's real dry, and he's just giving the names of stuff. | ||
| I can't even find some of these things. | ||
| Like, if you Google them, like, the GCCTK. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't fucking know what that is. | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| Wasn't that a great Canadian sitcom? | ||
| Yes, absolutely. | ||
| Something like that. | ||
| It came on after Black Books. | ||
| Hey, that's a great fucking show, Dan. | ||
| Calm down. | ||
| That's a great fucking show. | ||
| Dylan Morin? | ||
| Fantastic. | ||
| No, he's not. | ||
| We saw him live. | ||
| All right. | ||
| He wasn't at his best. | ||
| He wasn't at his best. | ||
| Nothing against the man. | ||
| So the only reason that I want to play that, and I'm going to play another clip where he's describing his resume, is because it's interesting to hear the affect in his voice. | ||
| He's talking about this so dispassionately and almost just sort of like... | ||
| Laying out names of places and then like, two years I was there, blah, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| There's nothing in it that indicates he's drawing from memories. | ||
| It's almost like he's memorized a bunch of stuff and he's just kind of reciting it. | ||
| Yeah, you know like the way that you memorize your bio all the time and you say it repeatedly to anyone who will ever listen to the point where you have it down as a rote speech. | ||
| It's a thing that we all do, right? | ||
| I worked at Starbucks two months. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, easy. | ||
| Yeah, I think that there's something to that, and I wish at any point Carrie would have just said anything to him in Korean, just to see, like... | ||
| I know, the first thing he said, he was like, I learned Korean, and I was like... | ||
| Fucking prove it. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Fuck you. | ||
| You're on Project Camelot. | ||
| I don't believe a goddamn word. | ||
| There was a great episode of Loveline where a caller had, like, the sort of hillbilly voice. | ||
| He had that twang. | ||
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Uh-huh. | |
| And he was talking about, like, how he knew Russian or something like that. | ||
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Sure. | |
| And I don't remember who the guest was. | ||
| It might have been Isai Morales. | ||
| And so the caller's talking about, like, knowing Russian. | ||
| And then Isai Morales just starts talking to him in Russian. | ||
| And the guy straight up does know Russian. | ||
| Oh, shit! | ||
| They start having a conversation, like, a hillbilly. | ||
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Awesome! | |
| An actor. | ||
| That is great! | ||
| Yeah, it was awesome. | ||
| I love that. | ||
| It was such a good moment that I remember it. | ||
| 20 years later. | ||
| That's great radio. | ||
| You never expect the hillbilly. | ||
| Anytime a hillbilly demonstrates some sort of talent beyond what a hillbilly should, everybody's like, holy shit, this is a magic hillbilly. | ||
| And I would have had the same moment had he busted out some Korean at any point. | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| I guess you do know Korean, but so far I cannot prove that he does. | ||
| But from that resume, like I said, there does seem to be a memorization part of the brain triggering in. | ||
| Does feel that way from the way he's speaking. | ||
| And then beyond that, from what he's describing, I could just say, like, maybe you were a translator for something, and then you're putting on a bunch of things in your resume that you know that no one will say, no, you didn't. | ||
| Because these departments that he's describing, like, the Department of Defense is never going to be like, this guy is lying about working here. | ||
| Because then every time someone came out and said that they worked there, they'd have to either... | ||
| Deny it, or that would prove that they did work there. | ||
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Exactly. | |
| It's a game that they'd never get into because that blows any kind of secrecy. | ||
| So his entire... | ||
| So he's counting this as working for the Department of Defense? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I mean, it sounds more like he just worked as a low-level translator. | ||
| He was doing briefings. | ||
| I mean, but it sounds more likely he was translating briefings. | ||
| There's a good chance about that, and that would probably necessitate some level of clearance. | ||
| Well, yeah. | ||
| I mean, you've got to be able to talk. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| So there's an outside possibility he had some sort of low-level clearance, and then he's turned it into something else. | ||
| And then after years of service, he took the test to become a sergeant. | ||
| And they all, like, and he got a promotion, and that's great. | ||
| And then he left. | ||
| Right before 9-11. | ||
| But that's not the end of his service. | ||
| Oh, it's not? | ||
| No, because after 9-11... | ||
| 9-11 brought him back in. | ||
| He has some more resume to go over. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| And then I became a contractor for about six years, and I worked right after 9-11 in Washington, D.C., working on critical node mapping. | ||
| I was working for a company called Greyhawk. | ||
| I looked into this. | ||
| I can only find a construction advising company on the East Coast called Greyhawk. | ||
| I don't know what he's talking about, but... | ||
| And he called it critical node mapping? | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| That actually does sound like something that a construction company would be interested in knowing. | ||
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You know, like you want to know where nodes are before you start building? | |
| I don't think on a national level. | ||
| Yeah, you want to know where nodes are! | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Come on, Greyhawk! | ||
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And... | |
| They were basically working for a CIA effort to map all of the critical nodes in the United States. | ||
| You gotta know where the nodes are! | ||
| Because we had just come out of 9-11. | ||
| Avoid the nodes. | ||
| Everybody was thinking security. | ||
| They were making a huge spreadsheet on all the areas that we needed to keep. | ||
| An eye on and protected from terrorist attack. | ||
| And then after that, I went down to Southern Command for a couple of years, and I was a counterterrorism analyst. | ||
| My area of responsibility was Mexico, Central America, and South America. | ||
| And funny enough, during my time at Southern Command, Northern Command stood up. | ||
| What? | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| Northcom stood up. | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| Is he setting up a climactic battle between Northern Command and Southern Command? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know what's coming, man. | ||
| We're just listening to this. | ||
| Because I feel like what I'm hearing in our future is a command civil war of some sort. | ||
| I assume Northern Command wears the blue. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And Southern Command, which put him in charge of counterintelligence for South America and Mexico and the surrounding area, on account of that he speaks Korean. | ||
| What? | ||
| What? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Why? | ||
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Huh? | |
| Where are these nodes at, too? | ||
| Give me some node information. | ||
| You can't know. | ||
| They're too critical to be public information. | ||
| So, I mean, look. | ||
| The thing here is that he's just following, basically, online conspiracy world narratives. | ||
| Because, like, Northcom was created in 2002. | ||
| And so the idea that he's saying, like, they stood up, is what, like, a lot of the people, like the Alex Joneses of the world, they build that into their conspiracy worldview. | ||
| Of, like, they were, it's part of a takeover. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Which you'll get to in this next clip. | ||
| The South Com will rise again, though. | ||
| They do think, meh, they might. | ||
| So, the language they stood up. | ||
| Yeah, that's what I'm interested in. | ||
| Well, thankfully, Carrie finally asks a rebuttal question about that very thing. | ||
| The fuck you saying? | ||
| Every man has an area of responsibility, and every man has a J2. | ||
| And so Northern Command stood up in their area of responsibility in 2003, late 2002. | ||
| There, when they stood up, was Canada, the United States, and Mexico. | ||
| Just want to ask you a question. | ||
| What does stood up mean? | ||
| It means they opened up for business. | ||
| Northern Command hadn't really been open for business yet, and they were taking on their area of responsibility. | ||
| So around the end of 2002, when Northern Command opened up for business and became a command, the United States of America officially, physically invaded the United States with Northern Command. | ||
| So... | ||
| They opened up for business. | ||
| They opened up for business. | ||
| It was like with a storefront operation? | ||
| Did they start small and then expand? | ||
| No, they had a soft open. | ||
| Well, that's good. | ||
| The night before. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Get everyone acquainted to the idea that this business is coming to their neighborhood. | ||
| Hired a couple of chefs. | ||
| And then they invaded the United States. | ||
| They did what now? | ||
| So the United States basically invaded the United States through NORTHCOM. | ||
| Yes, in the same way that the United States had previously, in 1963, invaded the United States when Southern Command started. | ||
| I don't fucking know, man. | ||
| What? | ||
| This guy is espousing essentially very baseline patriot community beliefs. | ||
| How old is he? | ||
| He doesn't sound like he's old enough. | ||
| He's 49. He's 49. Yeah. | ||
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All right. | |
| I know that because... | ||
| He says he's 49. Boy, does he tell a bit of his life story. | ||
| We're getting a bit into the weeds of his resume, which I think is really unimportant. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm really just laying this out because most of this is completely unfalsifiable. | ||
| Like I said, no one from Northcom is going to be like, fuck you, you didn't work here. | ||
| Douche. | ||
| Don't they have a long-standing rival? | ||
| Every year, don't they play the Northcom-Southcom football game? | ||
| The Army-Navy game? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Isn't that a big one? | ||
| It's shirts and skins, though. | ||
| So, you would think... | ||
| Blue and gray, somehow. | ||
| You would think... | ||
| Southcom has gray skin. | ||
| You would think, my friend, if this guy was supposedly a contractor doing high-level terrorism analysis... | ||
| Right, because he speaks Korean. | ||
| ...for Central Command, and then it was brought in... | ||
| To Northern Command, which he says he's around when that was happening, when they stood up and opened for business. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You would think you'd know something about the structure of it. | ||
| You would think? | ||
| Uh-oh. | ||
| And so we physically are invaded by the Department of Defense here in the United States. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Wait, wait, wait. | ||
| Slow down. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So who did you all report to if Northern Command took over? | ||
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Who was head of that ballgame? | |
| Northern Command is headquartered in Colorado. | ||
| Joint Chiefs? | ||
| Are we talking Joint Chiefs? | ||
| Well, all of the commands work together. | ||
| So they all work to the head of the Department of Defense, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the President of the United States. | ||
| Do you know who was the top guy when you were there? | ||
| Do you know who was the Northern Command's top guy? | ||
| No, I don't know who the Northern Command top guy was. | ||
| I don't know who the general was. | ||
| I know my general was General Zinni. | ||
| General Zinni? | ||
| That's a guy who was in charge of CETCOM around then, but he was also directly involved overseas and stuff. | ||
| He wasn't around. | ||
| If he was reporting directly to General Zinni, he is someone who would have gone before Congress. | ||
| Because General Zinni had to testify in front of Congress about the justification for the Iraq War and stuff like that. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| And we all know he did a great job. | ||
| My research didn't go too deep into all of his exact involvement, but General Zinni, big dude, a big name in military circles. | ||
| So the idea that he was my direct supervisor, or he's my general... | ||
| I think you probably fucking know who's in charge of Northcom. | ||
| Wouldn't you have just... | ||
| On any reputable show, you'd have been like, alright, dude, click, and then just hung up. | ||
| But she's doing everything she can to be like, give me something, give me something, man. | ||
| Was it Joint Chiefs? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Okay, was it Secretary of State? | ||
| What do you got? | ||
| Who's in charge of this ballgame? | ||
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Who the fuck did... | |
| Do you even know who the fucking president was when this happened? | ||
| Probably not. | ||
| God damn it, man. | ||
| Like, real talk. | ||
| When I was 15, 16, working at a movie theater, I knew who the CEO of our company was. | ||
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Really? | |
| I knew who the district manager was over our company. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| Even though they didn't have any influence in my life at all. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| I don't remember the district manager's name now, but the CEO was named Bob Goodrich. | ||
| Well, that's hard to forget, though. | ||
| It was Goodrich Theaters, too. | ||
| Because you want to drive over them with your Goodrich tires. | ||
| And he showed up one time. | ||
| He was a lunatic. | ||
| I think that also probably helped to stick out in my mind. | ||
| But I knew who he was even before he ever showed up at our theater. | ||
| That was like a couple of years into me working there. | ||
| My point is that if you are higher up in sitcom... | ||
| And you then get absorbed or taken over by Northcom. | ||
| You're going to fucking know who the guy in charge of Northcom is. | ||
| You might even resent him a little bit for taking over. | ||
| Especially if you think that that's what happened and you already definitely resent the organization. | ||
| You'd probably have a figurehead of it. | ||
| You might almost have something stuck in your craw over it. | ||
| Or a picture of him on the wall. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Something silly like that. | ||
| So I don't believe a lot of this story. | ||
| I'm going to go out on a limb. | ||
| I'm going to say it was Hillary. | ||
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Yep. | |
| Hillary took over Northcom. | ||
| Could be. | ||
| Why doesn't anybody just ask me dumb questions like this? | ||
| Might as well. | ||
| Just throw me in there. | ||
| So, I do want to say that I don't believe any of Ronald Farnham's story so far. | ||
| But, credit where credit's due, in this next clip, he blows 9-11 wide open. | ||
| All right, there we go. | ||
| He solves 9-11. | ||
| All right. | ||
| And here's what happened. | ||
| So... | ||
| I started diving into that information and I found that all of the information from September 8th to the 13th had been scrubbed. | ||
| So real quick, this is him talking about when he had come back as a contractor. | ||
| Right, of course. | ||
| So now he's looking at top secret material that he has no business looking through. | ||
| If he is telling the truth, he is admitting to a felony on this show. | ||
| And him discussing it is a felony. | ||
| We can neither confirm nor deny that it would be a felony were he to reveal this information on Project Camelot. | ||
| I'm pretty sure it's a hard felony. | ||
| Can't confirm or deny that. | ||
| There was nothing in there I could find about what was going on. | ||
| A few days before and a few days after. | ||
| What was going on in Korea? | ||
| I think you can find that out. | ||
| So it kind of told me that they might have reclassified it, but... | ||
| Yeah, you know, that would be my theory. | ||
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Ha ha ha ha ha! | |
| Ha ha ha ha ha! | ||
| Ha ha ha ha! | ||
| My theory would be that that's on a very strict need-to-know basis, so low-level contractors can't get access to that information and tell Carrie Cassidy about it. | ||
| I would say that that's probably a good thing. | ||
| Pretty wise of the government to be like, hold on, let's put that in another box. | ||
| I'm going to go with, nah, dude, you don't get the, hey, if I'm the government, all I'm thinking is after 9-11, you know, you have a couple of days to think about it and you're like, I bet if we give every Yahoo access to this information, we're going to get a lot of conspiracy theories out of it. | ||
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Oh, boy. | |
| Now, little did they know. | ||
| That shit was going down anyways. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Their biggest problem, though, was that they did 9-11, and you can't hide that forever. | ||
| No. | ||
| Now, you can classify all the documents you want, but those burns? | ||
| What's the theory? | ||
| The burns? | ||
| There's burns? | ||
| Side burns? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Burn sides. | ||
| Especially when 17 years later, one of the smartest detectives ever shows up on Project Camelot. | ||
| Does he speak Korean, though? | ||
| We can't confirm or deny that for sure. | ||
| What I discovered in looking at that, even up to September 7th and September 6th, was that everybody who was involved in the alleged plot by the terrorists, these terrorists who allegedly carried everything out, was that everybody was under surveillance. | ||
| And at the time, I was classmates with two of the people, two of the alleged hijackers at St. Leo University. | ||
| On MacDill Air Force Base, on the base, there was a St. Leo University campus there. | ||
| I would go to class at night because I was wanting to finish up my bachelor's degree. | ||
| And around 2000, I finished it up. | ||
| So real quick, name names. | ||
| Second, he doesn't. | ||
| Oh, he doesn't? | ||
| That's a surprise. | ||
| Third, now he's buried the lead, and we are supposed to believe that he had high-level top-secret clearance and was a high-level Korean translator and got hired as a contractor to do counterintelligence work and all this stuff, and he didn't have a bachelor's degree, which I know is not impossible, but I find very unlikely. | ||
| I think it's very unlikely. | ||
| Dan, this is... | ||
| Look, he's got street smarts! | ||
| True. | ||
| Does he? | ||
| No! | ||
| There were code words used in the reporting, and they referred to going to get married. | ||
| And that was what was in the reporting, that the terrorists who were passing information, making communications, were using the code term... | ||
| Getting married. | ||
| Referring to, oh, we're off to get married. | ||
| Everybody's leaving to get married. | ||
| And that was the code word they were using. | ||
| Then mazel tov. | ||
| After 9-11, I kind of looked back at some of these two classmates, and they were using the same language around the same time. | ||
| We would stand outside class waiting to go into our next class. | ||
| We would have a break, and we would talk. | ||
| And they were telling me how they were going to get married, but they wouldn't give me any details. | ||
| I didn't really think anything of it. | ||
| I thought they were just being goofy Middle Eastern guys who just had their own little inside joke. | ||
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What? | |
| And it was the farthest thing from my mind that that was a code term for the 9-11 operation. | ||
| I'd like to offer a second theory. | ||
| Were they getting married? | ||
| I think that there's a very high likelihood that these were not the terrorists through 9-11 or anything like that. | ||
| He just was in a class with a couple of Middle Eastern dudes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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And they were probably talking about getting married and they didn't want him to come because he's weird. | |
| I'm guessing that that is as likely as this. | ||
| But even then with his story, he was like, I started thinking about it 10 years later. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Even by Project Camelot standards, that's weak sauce. | ||
| What do you mean? | ||
| Now you're just flashbacking conversations you had ten years ago with random strangers. | ||
| Middle Eastern guys giggled when they talked about getting married? | ||
| Yeah, what are you talking about, dude? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Weak! | ||
| Come up with some sort of... | ||
| You should have been like, you know, I have a photographic memory, so I can do this whole thing, you know, I can pull it right away. | ||
| Otherwise, we're getting into unreliable narrator territory here. | ||
| Oh, we're there. | ||
| We're deep into that. | ||
| No, I trusted it up until this point. | ||
| Well, him saying he has a photographic memory and can call all this back, that would be a bit of a brag, certainly. | ||
| That would be something that he is... | ||
| Well, if there is one thing we know about him so far, it's how modest he is. | ||
| Very modest. | ||
| And that ends in this next clip, when he explains why his time as a contractor ended, and boy, I don't... | ||
| If there's ever been a fish story on this podcast, it is this. | ||
| The National Security Agency emailed me and a few other analysts on an email about a specific terrorist problem, and they asked, If I could give feedback or a solution or what my thoughts were. | ||
| So I put together a point-by-point plan on how to stop terrorist activity across Earth. | ||
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Forever! | |
| So you would not have to worry about any more terrorist activity, period. | ||
| Very simple solution. | ||
| Demolish borders. | ||
| And I sent it right to the National Security Agency. | ||
| The next day I got called into my commander's office. | ||
| And they pulled the email out and they said, did you send this to the National Security Agency? | ||
| And I said, yes. | ||
| They wanted information. | ||
| They wanted a solution. | ||
| I thought this was the best I could come up with. | ||
| And they said, okay. | ||
| And so I left. | ||
| And then the next day they wanted to pull me off of my contract. | ||
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Wow. | |
| So I talked to my manager, my contract manager. | ||
| That's not military. | ||
| I asked if I could just resign because, you know, I didn't really feel like I did anything wrong. | ||
| Guy just solved worldwide terrorism and they got to fire him for it. | ||
| I know. | ||
| That's rough. | ||
| The damnedest thing. | ||
| Now, admittedly, the tenor of that conversation when you go back and look at the transcripts, which I do have access to, and I have a photographic memory, so I can tell you, pull it right, right, right. | ||
| I can't wait to hear this. | ||
| Okay, so the guy says, did you write this email and send it to the National Security Agency? | ||
| You know, Farnham, of course, says yes. | ||
| And then he said, you know, ants can't run the world, right? | ||
| Well, hold on. | ||
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Hold on. | |
| You don't know about my ant ray that I've created. | ||
| And then the next day they threatened to pull him off his contract. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| I don't know why. | ||
| You know what else is crazy? | ||
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He never explains what his plan is. | |
| It seems like now would be a great time to share it. | ||
| Anytime. | ||
| With everyone. | ||
| Anytime would be great. | ||
| If you did it, you should just email it to anybody. | ||
| It's not like because you came up with the idea and sent it to the NSA that now that's classified. | ||
| Just fucking come out with it. | ||
| Is it an email? | ||
| So actually, I think I've, as Alex Jones would like to say, reverse engineered what his plan is. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But I'm going to have to leave that for later. | ||
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Okay. | |
| To tell you what I think possibly is how he would end worldwide terrorism. | ||
| Point by point, though. | ||
| There's one point. | ||
| Did he have a bullet list? | ||
| Nope. | ||
| One point. | ||
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Okay. | |
| This is a very simple solution. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| Are we going to get into genocide territory? | ||
| Don't even guess. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| It's not that bad. | ||
| It's dumb. | ||
| Because I don't want him to kill all the ants, Dan. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| Ants are safe. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So he has this supposition, I guess, that he can end worldwide terrorism with this plan. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| To which Carrie is like, hey, man, you know... | ||
| They do terrorism intentionally. | ||
| That's the government. | ||
| That's why they had to shut him down. | ||
| Which leads to this. | ||
| They wanted me out of there. | ||
| So I told them, I go, fine, I'm going to resign and then it's going to be my mission to stop this madness because I know you guys don't really, if you're not going to implement this solution, I just know that you don't really want to. | ||
| And I could tell by the way they were behaving that they don't really want to stop terrorist activity. | ||
| You probably know as well as I do that it's an operation. | ||
| It's a money-making machine. | ||
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Ah. | |
| Well, it's also, you know, it's the state. | ||
| It's the coercive arm of the state trying to put fear into the people by creating false flags. | ||
| Actually, I wasn't supposed to say that on my YouTube channel. | ||
| Can I say it? | ||
| No. | ||
| You can't say it. | ||
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So creating FFs. | |
| Wait, what? | ||
| That doesn't... | ||
| No, you don't get away with that. | ||
| So she's not allowed to say false flags anymore, I assume, because she got the... | ||
| No, this isn't true. | ||
| Oh, she's not even not allowed to do... | ||
| She got in trouble because she had people on who were very specifically calling specific people crisis actors in a form of targeted harassment about particularly Parkland and other shootings and tragedies. | ||
| So she has contextualized that and turned it into I'm not allowed to say false flag on the show anymore, which I would say this episode... | ||
| Pretty good evidence that you can. | ||
| And even if you literally weren't allowed to say false flag on there, anybody who's paying attention would be like, oh, you can't say FF either, you idiot. | ||
| It's the same thing. | ||
| If you mean false flag, you can't just abbreviate it and then you're fine. | ||
| No, no, no, no, no. | ||
| You don't understand. | ||
| The government is trying to scare the public by follow Friday. | ||
| Oh, no, I would never call them crisis actors, but they are CAs, you know what I'm saying? | ||
| They've got a good talent agent, you know what I mean? | ||
| The government was trying to terrorize the people by putting out the Fantastic Four movie. | ||
| That's not wrong. | ||
| That's an interesting theory that I'm working on for my next book. | ||
| Spoiler alert, this guy's written some books. | ||
| Oh, no! | ||
| What? | ||
| Why? | ||
| Why can't I finish a fucking book if this asshole can? | ||
| Before we get into that, because this episode is going to go off the rails real hard, real fast. | ||
| But before that happens, Carrie wants to know, you were a contractor with top secret access. | ||
| You were clearly going through and trying to find this information that you definitely were outside the auspices of your job. | ||
| Why the fuck aren't you Snowden? | ||
| Good question! | ||
| Why didn't you do anything like that? | ||
| You had access to all the information. | ||
| It's a good question! | ||
| You didn't become Snowden, so how did that not happen? | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| Well, I started investigating the Kennedy assassination really to find out who killed JFK, and I started looking through the top secret messages that I could find in the intel database where I was working. | ||
| Did she just left? | ||
| And this is while I was in Korea. | ||
| So this was 93, 94, 95. I was in Korea. | ||
| I'm sorry, this was 97, 98. I was in Korea and I started going through the databases there and starting to sift through some of the Intel top secret stuff that I could find in different databases to find out about the story for JFK. | ||
| And I found the cover story and it's the same cover story. | ||
| It was like a two-page cover story about what happened and who was blamed. | ||
| And it was basically, and it was a top secret document, but it pretty much was the same cover story. | ||
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What? | |
| I realized at that point that I wasn't going to get the true answers from the military and from the top secret information because that's compartmentalized. | ||
| So, he didn't become Snowden because all of the information you can get from top secret files is just all fake anyway. | ||
| So, so, so. | ||
| Convenient. | ||
| So his answer is, well, I was in Korea. | ||
| And I had access to top secret information, but I was bored in my day job, you know, like most people would be. | ||
| So I just started looking into whether or not the government killed JFK. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Then I go through all their top secret files, and for some reason, even the government's top secret files say what the cover story is. | ||
| There's some sort of narrative consistency there, even in their top secret files, Dan. | ||
| That means there can only be even more top secret files! | ||
| Top secret files, Dan, that tell you the true story! | ||
| That's something of the implication of it. | ||
| And then even beyond that, that's his way of getting himself off the hook for not doing a data dump or anything like that. | ||
| He's like, everything I found wasn't much anyway, who knows? | ||
| Which, again, I think is probably evidence... | ||
| That he's making this up. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Or that he didn't have the access that he's pretending to have. | ||
| I think there's a pretty strong theory about that now. | ||
| Or that no matter what you say, even if you have access to the top secret documents themselves, conspiracy theorists are going to conspirize. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That's what's going to happen. | ||
| There's no convincing somebody like this dude. | ||
| That's what's going to happen. | ||
| But what's going to happen right now is that everything is going to go very wrong on this interview. | ||
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Everything is about to get so insane. | |
| I would say that up until now, what are we, like 36, 37 minutes into the episode? | ||
| I think this has been kind of us just being like, I don't believe your credentials. | ||
| This doesn't make sense. | ||
| And that's not good enough for a Project Camelot episode. | ||
| If I'm digging in, I need raptors or I need something of that level. | ||
| And believe it or not, Ronald Farham delivers. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| When I resigned, I immediately started writing my first book, Second Coming of the Messiah, which was an autobiographical, in a sense, as to how I kind of reached that tipping point of... | ||
| Wait a second. | ||
| This is wrong. | ||
| Something is wrong. | ||
| Something has to be done about this. | ||
| I'm not going to take this anymore. | ||
| I'm just going to start doing something about it, and I'm not going to be part of this anymore. | ||
| And so I took all of that emotion that I went through with that transition and poured it into this story, which in The Second Coming of Messiah is really two books. | ||
| It's a story about this person who decides to save the world and come up with a solution and action on it. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| The first half is about leading up from where the Bible ends to where we are now and where the Messiah starts. | ||
| You're the Messiah! | ||
| Come on! | ||
| Get out with it! | ||
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Get out with it! | |
| Just didn't start over the past couple thousand years. | ||
| Just get to it! | ||
| Two or three hundred years with the Rothschilds and the Bowers. | ||
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Shut up! | |
| I think it's been going on for longer than me. | ||
| Save the Messiah! | ||
| Look at that! | ||
| Oh, the Messiah is so boring, Dan! | ||
| The Messiah is so fucking boring! | ||
| I hate to do this to you because he's never going to say, I am the new Messiah. | ||
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But he's the fucking Messiah! | |
| He's clearly implying that he's the Messiah. | ||
| Oh, yes. | ||
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He thinks he's the Messiah! | |
| He's described his book as the sequel to the Bible. | ||
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He's the fucking Messiah. | |
| Yes! | ||
| There it is! | ||
| There it is! | ||
| For fuck's sake. | ||
| Wait, wait, wait. | ||
| So, it's his autobiography. | ||
| He does describe it as autobiographical. | ||
| In a sense. | ||
| In a sense. | ||
| And the first part is... | ||
| Everything leading up to him finding out he's the Messiah. | ||
| As I understand, he made a movie of this as well, and it's on Amazon Prime now. | ||
| Oh, I can't afford that. | ||
| I don't have that subscription. | ||
| Even if it was free, you couldn't afford it. | ||
| Not for that movie. | ||
| But as I understand, and it might be the case in the book as well, I didn't read the book, but... | ||
| I think that he puts himself in a character in the book, but it's supposed to be him. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So it's like a female character who goes to Hollywood to try and make a movie of her book, which involves the new Bible or something along those lines. | ||
| It's wild. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So he clearly, on at least some very real level, thinks he's the Messiah. | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| Now, there's a possibility that he doesn't think that he's the son of God per se. | ||
| He's just a Messiah. | ||
| I think that he might be using the term Messiah to be like, I'm going to save the world, which is what he sort of expressed in that last clip. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Which I think feeds into his solution for worldwide terrorism. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Everybody do what he says. | ||
| Which, again, we'll get to in a little bit, and I will say, not to be a tease, bad plan. | ||
| Real bad plan. | ||
| So... | ||
| Why? | ||
| If he is right, why can't he be more interesting? | ||
| That was the most boring I've ever heard a person talk. | ||
| Very boring. | ||
| Incredibly boring. | ||
| Also, spoiler alert, I found his Twitter. | ||
| He has exactly one like or retweet over many, many, many tweets since April 21st. | ||
| 2018. | ||
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Okay. | |
| So it's been a good five months, one like. | ||
| One like? | ||
| Zero retweets. | ||
| Or I think one retweet also. | ||
| It's going to be tough to be the messiah with that low of a social media presence. | ||
| You need SEO, you need engagement, baby. | ||
| Yeah, come on! | ||
| I mean, I feel bad about how little attraction we get, and I feel great compared to the messiah. | ||
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So... | |
| Knowledge fight. | ||
| We're a little bit better than the messiah. | ||
| We could pull a Beatles here. | ||
| We get more retweets than the Messiah. | ||
| So, Jordan, that's his first book that he started writing in 2006 when he left Top Secret Work. | ||
| Published. | ||
| But Carrie brings up here, because she is aware from reading his bio, that he's got a new book he's working on. | ||
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Oh, yeah? | |
| You're actually, aren't you writing a book on Bloodlines right now, another book? | ||
| Well, all of my screenplays that I write, I turn into books. | ||
| What? | ||
| I'm writing the screenplay and developing it right now. | ||
| It's called The Lines of Destiny. | ||
| And it's about the 13 major bloodlines who are controlling the physical domain, who are also being controlled by the archons who are controlling them vibrationally with demonology, Satanism, sacrifices, ceremonies, energy. | ||
| It's a laundry list. | ||
| I want to pause here. | ||
| He's not done. | ||
| He's going to talk a little more about this book. | ||
| His work is specifically nonfiction to him. | ||
| This is real to him. | ||
| This isn't like some sort of sci-fi book that he's like, I came up with the greatest plot. | ||
| Isn't this wild and fantastical? | ||
| He does believe in these 13 bloodlines that are psychically controlling the world and shit like that. | ||
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No, no, no. | |
| The 13 bloodlines are controlling the... | ||
| Physical world. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| They themselves are, of course, being controlled by the demonologists. | ||
| The archons. | ||
| The Satanists. | ||
| What are the archons again? | ||
| Those are like angelic beings, but they're probably nefarious and evil. | ||
| David Icke talks about the archons a bit. | ||
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Sure. | |
| I think they have come up on another Project Camelot episode that we've done. | ||
| I feel like there's probably anti-Semitism in the history of archons. | ||
| Sounds right. | ||
| I'm not sure about it right now, but it feels... | ||
| Safe to assume. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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The ability to shift in and out of vibrations. | |
| And so these group of bloodline members who are assassins for the different bloodlines This is the plot of the comic book. | ||
| 100 bullets. | ||
| They're intending to control all of the timelines. | ||
| And CERN is giving information to the different bloodlines. | ||
| Sure. | ||
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And the different bloodlines want certain timelines to manifest. | |
| Of course. | ||
| So they're sending out orders to their different assassins in their bloodline to go kill people and cause things to happen so that they can shift into the timeline that they want. | ||
| And it's causing a lot of different Mandela effects for different people within the CERN. | ||
| What? | ||
| Well, that sounds like a cool story. | ||
| Cool story! | ||
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Cool. | |
| I will say that I thought the giggle that we got from Carrie earlier was going to be fun, but now that we're getting into her full-on being like, you're full of shit, dude. | ||
| I think Carrie is not having a good time. | ||
| No, she's bummed out by this. | ||
| So you got confused there at the end. | ||
| Do you not understand the Mandela effect? | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| I just don't understand how he thinks that makes any sense. | ||
| That makes perfect sense. | ||
| No, I mean, if they can move between vibrations and all... | ||
| So why do you need CERN to divine which timelines are best for you if you can move between all timelines whenever you want? | ||
| Because CERN is a big... | ||
| And all timelines are simultaneously occurring. | ||
| CERN is a big spooky machine that exists in the real world and dumb people are afraid of it. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So it lends you a little bit of... | ||
| You know, like... | ||
| Magical realism. | ||
| Magical realism. | ||
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There you go. | |
| And that's what you can do when you include CERN in here. | ||
| You can sort of hide behind, like, ooh, what if it is? | ||
| What if it is causing people, assassins, to go create Mandela effects all over the place? | ||
| Of course! | ||
| The only one that most people know about is the Berenstain Bears. | ||
| I'm not sure what the Illuminati gains from changing the spelling of a children's book. | ||
| No, don't worry about it. | ||
| What do you mean? | ||
| I mean, they gain a lot from it. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| You don't want to worry about it, Dan. | ||
| Okay, I won't. | ||
| Well, now you should. | ||
| I'm worried because you're worried about it. | ||
| I'm not really that worried about it. | ||
| I'm confused. | ||
| Well, the Bernstein bears are. | ||
| Bernstein bears. | ||
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What? | |
| Yep. | ||
| That's how it's actually spelled. | ||
| That's kind of anti-Semitic, isn't it? | ||
| Bernstein. | ||
| Maybe that's why they had to send a Vatican assassin down there to kill him. | ||
| I don't know, man. | ||
| So, you heard at the beginning of that clip, my dude, that this guy likes to write books that are his screenplays. | ||
| Because he wants to inject some sort of, like, real shit into movies, because he doesn't like movies for entertainment. | ||
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Right. | |
| Isn't the other Mandela effect that, what was it, Sinbad was in Kazam? | ||
| No, Shazam, I believe. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| There's a second movie that everyone has forgotten. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, there's a bunch of them. | ||
| Some of them are kind of fun, because they do tickle a little part of your brain that's like... | ||
| I kind of remember. | ||
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No, I don't. | |
| You just get it. | ||
| But at this point, Carrie is like, I know you are not famous. | ||
| No. | ||
| You are the messiah. | ||
| I need to know, have you actually been in show business? | ||
| Because he's presenting himself as, like, I've made movies. | ||
| He writes screenplays. | ||
| I write screenplays. | ||
| He doesn't write books. | ||
| He writes screenplays and then turns them into books. | ||
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Adaptations. | |
| Because, of course, nobody is going to... | ||
| Well, but then, because if he wrote the book first, he wouldn't be up for the best original screenplay op Oscar. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| He's thinking ahead. | ||
| He's always got to be up for best adapted, and that's just lame. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| No one wants that. | ||
| No, no, no, no, no. | ||
| So, Kerry asks, are you really in show business? | ||
| And he gives, I would say, the worst answer I've ever heard from anybody. | ||
| Can you elaborate on how you kind of, are you in the business seriously or are you a sideliner? | ||
| Where are you at? | ||
| I am, I've gone in and come out and now I've got my niche. | ||
| So I moved to LA in 2011 and started doing extra work in like hundreds of movies and TV shows. | ||
| And finally I got my SAG card. | ||
| I joined the Screen Actors Guild, and it cost like $3,000 to join, but I joined the Screen Actors Guild, so I'm a paid-up. | ||
| We'll keep going here with his story, but I want to stop there really quick to point out the difference in affect of him telling this story and his story about the time he spent in Top Secret work. | ||
| He's engaged in this story. | ||
| He's remembering, oh, I had to pay $3,000 to get my SAG card after I did all that fucking extra work. | ||
| It was a huge pain in the ass. | ||
| I had to go stand around. | ||
| Hundreds. | ||
| So that's his brain, the part of his memory that actually has emotional attachment to it coming out and bringing in extraneous pieces of information because that's how human brains work. | ||
| The rest of it is memorization that he's used to give some sort of credibility to the other parts of his narratives. | ||
| I just want to point that out very clearly. | ||
| And then I decided I wasn't really going to try and go the route where I wanted to become a star, where I was going to get an A. Lame. | ||
| Anybody could do that. | ||
| What? | ||
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What? | |
| To do voiceovers. | ||
| And I was here in this Florida market. | ||
| And so I moved to LA and wanted to take it to the next step. | ||
| And then I realized that I could actually... | ||
| I just had this charisma that I can get people together and I can produce and direct and write and file the paperwork for SAG. | ||
| So that's what I did. | ||
| And I decided... | ||
| And I hadn't heard that in Hollywood that you don't want to try and... | ||
| If you're going to write something, you're writing for entertainment. | ||
| You don't want to try and give like, you know, your opinion. | ||
| You want to just write. | ||
| It's all about entertainment. | ||
| You don't want to really have some kind of a strong point. | ||
| I think one of the top grossing movies of all time is Avatar. | ||
| That's a very preachy-ass movie. | ||
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To create something that I'm passionate about, I want to be able to retain my voice. | |
| So I decided to bring out the Messiah character, and I wrote the movie... | ||
| Hollywood and Vine, about this woman who wants to take down the global military-industrial complex. | ||
| She comes from the Pentagon. | ||
| She goes to Hollywood with her book, the sequel to the Bible that she wrote, Second Coming of the Messiah. | ||
| So, his book is in the movie. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The character comes from the Pentagon, the Department of Defense. | ||
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Right. | |
| Goes to Hollywood. | ||
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Goes to Hollywood. | |
| Uh-huh. | ||
| And makes a movie, much like he has done. | ||
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Hmm. | |
| And is the Messiah. | ||
| So, again, just driving that home. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| He very clearly thinks he's the Messiah. | ||
| He thinks he's the Messiah. | ||
| And has written the sequel to the Bible. | ||
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Awesome. | |
| That's... | ||
| And the sequel to the Bible is just the second coming of the Messiah? | ||
| It suffered from the sophomore slump. | ||
| Wasn't that in the regular Bible, though? | ||
| Yeah, it was in the second part of it. | ||
| The new part. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So what would you... | ||
| And then you've got the... | ||
| It's kind of a third Bible, really. | ||
| Then you've got the LDS. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| You've got the Apocrypha. | ||
| You've got the golden tablets. | ||
| Pseudepigrapha. | ||
| Yeah, you've got those. | ||
| The Lost Books of the Bible and Forgotten Books of Eden. | ||
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Right, right. | |
| And then you've got... | ||
| You have the Gnostic Scriptures. | ||
| You have... | ||
| Lord of the Rings, The Return of the King. | ||
| You do? | ||
| Yes, yes, yes. | ||
| That one's in there? | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| You got... | ||
| Then you've got the prequels, of course. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Jar Jar Binks. | ||
| You have other religious texts. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| You got Sumer. | ||
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So... | |
| Oh, man. | ||
| This guy is a little bit late, Dan. | ||
| He's a little bit behind. | ||
| Late isn't the word I would use. | ||
| But, like, look, okay, so we're clowning on him for, like, being an extra, and, you know, there's no shame in being an extra. | ||
| No, no, no, we're not clowning on him for that. | ||
| I am a little bit. | ||
| Okay, fine. | ||
| But there's no shame in being an extra if you, like, just want to do it to have fun, or, you know, if you want to try and see what it's like to be on a movie set, that sort of thing. | ||
| I think that there's very valid reasons to do it. | ||
| I think it's something that... | ||
| You need 20 bucks. | ||
| I think that it's something that most people in entertainment don't see as a viable path towards getting... | ||
| Further in entertainment? | ||
| Maybe just a little something you do as, like, the way I sell blood. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Just a little thing. | ||
| I don't think this is going to make me a phlebotomist. | ||
| No. | ||
| I have time, and I need money. | ||
| They have money, and they need people who have time. | ||
| He's expressing sort of, like, until he decided, I'm not going to become a star. | ||
| But before that, he clearly thought, like, I'm going to go there, and I'm going to be so great at being an extra that I'm going to get a line. | ||
| And then from there, it's going to be great. | ||
| It's going to be great. | ||
| I'm going to get voiceover. | ||
| What's his filmography? | ||
| Did you even IMDB him? | ||
| He is on IMDB. | ||
| I'll pull it up in a second. | ||
| But I think it's mostly his movies and this. | ||
| So I did that movie. | ||
| And then I performed on live TV on America's Got Talent. | ||
| I performed on Guinness World Records Gone Wild. | ||
| Okay, wait, wait, wait. | ||
| Yeah, for real. | ||
| Right, Kerry? | ||
| I'm with you on this one. | ||
| Were you a drummer? | ||
| Is that right? | ||
| I have been a drummer. | ||
| I was a drummer in some bands when I was earlier in the military and when I was in high school. | ||
| But I actually was just... | ||
| Cruising Craigslist one night, and I saw this ad for a talent casting director who wanted to know if you could do any of these different things. | ||
| And I played college baseball, and I still play baseball, as a pitcher. | ||
| And one of those things was throwing plungers. | ||
| The Messiah was a pitcher. | ||
| So I thought, oh, I can do that. | ||
| I'm a pitcher. | ||
| I could throw plungers. | ||
| So I made an audition video, like, that night, and then I sent it to them, getting the world records going wild, saying that I could break the... | ||
| The world record for hitting the most number of people in one minute was the plungers. | ||
| So they had me on their show twice. | ||
| So we're not done with this, but you look like you have something on your tongue. | ||
| So then on the tip of the tongue, the need is to come out the mouth. | ||
| He threw plungers at people because he played baseball before. | ||
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It's a logical use of that talent. | |
| I would say that the locomotion of throwing a baseball is not the same as throwing a plunger. | ||
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I don't know. | |
| You throw a good curveball, you throw a good plunger. | ||
| That's an old saying. | ||
| You're not trying to curve that plunger. | ||
| No, yeah, but it's the same. | ||
| It's the same. | ||
| You've got to go over the top, Dan. | ||
| You've got to make sure that you throw the plunger. | ||
| What? | ||
| Wait, does the plunger have to stick to somebody? | ||
| Yeah, you have to stick it in their back. | ||
| I would say that a better thing to give you credibility as a plunger thrower is I've thrown axes or something like that. | ||
| Or I am the messiah. | ||
| That would help. | ||
| That seems like that would apply across a wide range of skills. | ||
| So he was on America's Got Talent. | ||
| He was on the show. | ||
| The Guinness Book of World Records. | ||
| You can find these videos. | ||
| They are on YouTube. | ||
| So our messiah, who is going to lead the world from the thousand years of torment that we have existed in to the next ten thousand of holy bliss. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| He's really good at throwing plungers. | ||
| Turns out he wasn't that good. | ||
| What do you mean? | ||
| He failed. | ||
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What? | |
| But he's the fucking messiah! | ||
| God, oh man. | ||
| Even Jesus blew it a few times. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Killed that kid. | ||
| Yeah, well, he was a kid at the time. | ||
| Yeah, what are you going to do? | ||
| This guy's a mere babe in the eyes of the Lord? | ||
| It was weird, that story where Jesus threw a plunger through a kid's back. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| He was trying to break the record, which at the time was zero because plungers didn't exist. | ||
| That's in the book of Tobit. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| So, this isn't done. | ||
| He did some more television. | ||
| On Guinness World Records Gone Wild... | ||
| And then America's Got Talent saw me and they emailed me and they were like, hey, do you want to come do that on America's Got Talent? | ||
| So I thought, yeah, why not? | ||
| Because I had co-written a book with someone who hired me to write a book and it fell into the niche of Howard Stern. | ||
| So we thought if we could get the book to Howard Stern, that would help us to get financing and maybe we could get on his radio show. | ||
| So, you know, in Hollywood, kind of one thing leads to another. | ||
| So I accepted that. | ||
| My friend flew out that I wrote the book with from Pennsylvania. | ||
| We were on America's Got Talent. | ||
| I gave Howard Stern a copy of my book, or our book, and then I threw plungers and I failed miserably. | ||
| But, you know, it was interesting. | ||
| It was all part of that crazy journey in Hollywood. | ||
| Okay, but... | ||
| That's the right response. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Oh, no. | ||
| So, I had you on to talk about... | ||
| Your whistleblowing of Department of Defense stuff? | ||
| I guess JFK? | ||
| I would say... | ||
| 9-11 was your buddies, and you throw plungers now? | ||
| I would say... | ||
| The larger part of this show is him talking about his show Biz Ambitions. | ||
| It has very little to do with him blowing any whistles. | ||
| Or really even talking about any specific thing he learned at the Department of Defense. | ||
| What does he even... | ||
| What are you doing? | ||
| He's trying to get funding for his fucking movie. | ||
| Oh, that's his goal. | ||
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This is his... | |
| Oh, God. | ||
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Oh, man. | |
| We'll get to that in a little bit. | ||
| Oh, Farnsworth. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| Farnham. | ||
| P.T. Farnham. | ||
| So, this Ronald. | ||
| Bad Ronald. | ||
| This dude. | ||
| So, I don't know how to talk about this because it would seem to be shitting on a group unnecessarily. | ||
| But... | ||
| Messiahs or actors or... | ||
| They go on a bit of a tangent about how he was homeless for a bit. | ||
| And I feel like because we're making fun of him, it might lead us down a road where we're making fun of homeless people unnecessarily, and I'm uncomfortable with that. | ||
| I don't think that's what we do. | ||
| I know we don't, but I want to be sensitive and not mock him for being homeless. | ||
| And in fact, if he were homeless insisting that he was the Messiah, I would have far more empathy for him than I do now that I know he is not homeless and still insisting he's the Messiah. | ||
| And the other thing is that you'd have to listen to this entire long chunk of the show for me to really make the point to you that at no point does he actually describe being homeless. | ||
| He talks about living in a friend's kitchen for a little while, which is not ideal circumstances, but it's something that a struggling actor might do. | ||
| My point is that I don't want to make fun of him for being homeless, but I do want to make fun of him for what he says in this next clip. | ||
| I was shooting on some TV show and I met a guy who was working as a bartender behind me on the TV show, and I was like, man... | ||
| It's costing me so much in catering for my stuff, my movie. | ||
| And he's like, I'm a caterer. | ||
| So I hired him to cater for me. | ||
| And then he let me move into his garage for like $4.50 a month. | ||
| But I only stayed there for a month. | ||
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It was in East L.A. And I just didn't feel welcome in East L.A. Wait, wait, wait. | |
| What just happened there? | ||
| He's a racist. | ||
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How do you throw that on top of everything? | |
| You're a shit messiah. | ||
| The messiah does not like traditionally Hispanic parts of town. | ||
| This is a bad messiah. | ||
| It's not great. | ||
| This is a shit messiah. | ||
| I'm pissed. | ||
| I would like a better messiah. | ||
| Yeah, can we do a redo on this one? | ||
| So that's when he ends up moving. | ||
| It's like when you try to do the captcha and you get it wrong the first time. | ||
| You just reshuffle, man. | ||
| Give it another go. | ||
| I didn't want to live in East LA, so I chose to... | ||
| Become God? | ||
| I guess. | ||
| So, that's a bummer. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But also, par for the course, now that we have Eddie Page and the Project Camelot world. | ||
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Right. | |
| Not too surprising to see one of these guys express discomfort with minorities. | ||
| Who would have guessed? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, in this, Jordan, boy, we've already reached it. | ||
| We have reached the solution. | ||
| Okay, cool. | ||
| This clip. | ||
| After the racist part, though, now I feel like he's going to call it the final solution, and I have problems with that. | ||
| It's not. | ||
| This clip starts with him saying, I was looking into the solution. | ||
| Got it. | ||
| There's not much before it that helps make it make sense. | ||
| 9-11. | ||
| No. | ||
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Okay. | |
| 9-11's not involved. | ||
| Jordan? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Okay, so this guy is saying that he's the Messiah, and that he was an extra, and he's trying to make this autobiographical movie about someone who's written a sequel to the Bible. | ||
| That still wouldn't be enough for me to do this episode. | ||
| That would be like... | ||
| Maybe that's a mini-sode or something like that. | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| We've had Messiahs before. | ||
| But then he gets to the solution. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Man, oh man. | ||
| This is bad. | ||
| I mean, not bad. | ||
| When I say bad, it always sounds like it's going to be monstrous. | ||
| I just mean this is dumb. | ||
| This is really, really... | ||
| It's just a bad solution. | ||
| It's a bad plan. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I've been looking for the solution, developing the solution, writing it down. | ||
| There's so many different parts to it. | ||
| Throw plungers at them! | ||
| One of the things that's a part of it is the promissory note. | ||
| And so before I ran into Michael Kellinger's video about the promissory note, I started looking at how to accept for value bills because I had been doing research about how our body is really our vessel that carries our soul around. | ||
| But the U.S. of A Corporation has turned everybody into a bonded commodity, and we have an account that we can use, and we can accept for value debts and things like that. | ||
| So I was looking at trying to bring down the government and say, we need to get rid of the Federal Reserve System. | ||
| So he's a sovereign citizen on top of everything else? | ||
| The Messiah is a sovereign citizen. | ||
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What? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| It gets so much worse. | ||
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Okay. | |
| All right. | ||
| The promissory note. | ||
| We need to be able to accept for value all of our stuff. | ||
| And I was putting that into my reality show and I was writing that into scripts as part of books and things like that. | ||
| So then I came across Michael Tellinger and his concept of the promissory note where he could pay off of his mortgage by making his own promissory note. | ||
| And what I learned from doing the research based on that video. | ||
| Did you? | ||
| Was that the Federal Reserve is a corporation and the United States of America is a corporation. | ||
| And the United States, which is not the United States of America, but the United States is a series of countries that we all call states. | ||
| So you get the United States of America Corporation has a deal with the Federal Reserve Corporation to force us to use the Federal Reserve Corporation's promissory notes. | ||
| And they're not dollar bills. | ||
| I mean, we call them dollar bills. | ||
| So they are dollar bills. | ||
| Every country that uses federal reserve notes calls them whatever their currency is, but really they're promissory notes. | ||
| This is the messiah we deserve, though, right? | ||
| So being I'm a corporation, you're a corporation, all the people listening... | ||
| Everybody's a corporation! | ||
| Unless you remove yourself from that whole situation. | ||
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Uncapitalized. | |
| So you have to write as a corporation to write your own promissory note. | ||
| Autograph it. | ||
| Because I've learned also you don't want to sign things. | ||
| You want to autograph it. | ||
| So you autograph it. | ||
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Bingo. | |
| And then you tender it for value to the bank. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And the bank has to accept it for they're committing the felony of misconduct in public office. | ||
| That sounds right. | ||
| In law, in maritime law. | ||
| Maritime law, baby! | ||
| There it is. | ||
| Acceptance and conditional acceptance. | ||
| So if you make an offer to a judge, let's say, the judge is honorable in court because they're accepting or conditionally accepting your offers. | ||
| It's bargaining. | ||
| It's a bargain. | ||
| They're bargaining with you in their crank kangaroo court. | ||
| So I started submitting promissory notes to the banks that I had credit with or loans with. | ||
| How did it go? | ||
| And I even started creating I want to be real quick. | ||
| He's very bad at articulating. | ||
| It's not Space Ghost Credit Union. | ||
| It's still crazy. | ||
| Kentucky Shark has always been there, Dan. | ||
| A shark on whiskey is mighty risky. | ||
| A shark on beer is a beer engineer. | ||
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A shark on beer is a beer engineer. | |
| It's still nuts. | ||
| How's Moltar doing? | ||
| Is he doing alright? | ||
| It's still nuts that there is a place, I looked this up, called the Space Coast Credit Union. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That is clearly who he is defaulting on loans to. | ||
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What is his goal here? | |
| What is his plan? | ||
| We'll get to it at the end of this clip. | ||
| I don't know where this is going. | ||
| There's another minute left. | ||
| How is there a minute left of this? | ||
| Because it's the solution. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| You've got to see how it plays out for it. | ||
| Okay, okay. | ||
| And I decided to write a $2 million promissory note to the Space Coast Credit Union for them to accept for value and deposit. | ||
| Now, if I was committing fraud, and this was something that was punishable that I was doing and was fraudulent, and I didn't have this, you know, I put together a nice template, I figured it out. | ||
| I committed some fraud. | ||
| they dishonored it and they shut my account. | ||
| The chief financial officer resigned. | ||
| Probably a coincidence. | ||
| And then I call the state attorney general of Florida, Pam Bondi, who just met with Donald Trump when he came to McDeal Air Force Base recently and gave a speech, you know, one of his speeches because he's on the reelection campaign. | ||
| And I call, I emailed Pam Bondi and I told her, listen. | ||
| Coast to coast! | ||
| How'd that go? | ||
| This could free all living souls from financial slavery because we could all... | ||
| You know, tender our promissory note to the bank. | ||
| They would deposit these numbers into our account. | ||
| We would have our $2 million. | ||
| And then we could go spend Federal Reserve notes on the street. | ||
| Coast to coast. | ||
| And she emailed me back and she said, I refuse to discuss promissory notes with you. | ||
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And she cut off communication. | |
| And I even sent her the example. | ||
| Now, if I had been committing a crime and this was fraud, somebody would have come to my door and said, hey, you know, you're under arrest for fraud. | ||
| Sir. | ||
| That's the solution. | ||
| Everybody write $2 million promissory notes. | ||
| Autograph them. | ||
| Don't sign them. | ||
| Don't you dare sign them. | ||
| Give them to the bank and they'll put the numbers in your bank. | ||
| I love that his end solution is still we get Federal Reserve notes. | ||
| I don't know what this... | ||
| Okay, I think this is the first time that we've legitimately had Carrie bring somebody on her show. | ||
| So she could laugh at how stupid they are. | ||
| I think she's having a good time. | ||
| I think she started having a fun time. | ||
| Once we got into sovereign citizenship, she's like, sweet, I don't have to deal with raptors or anybody talking shit about me. | ||
| I can just dunk on this idiot. | ||
| I don't think she does any real dunking, per se, but yeah, she's... | ||
| By her silence, she has been dunking. | ||
| It speaks volumes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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So... | |
| So how's he doing? | ||
| He didn't get that two million, I'll tell you that right now. | ||
| He didn't? | ||
| No. | ||
| The CFO resigned over it, though. | ||
| That's a coincidence. | ||
| Because the CFO went to the CEO and he was like, hey, I don't know if you've read Maritime Law, but we've got to honor this. | ||
| The Messiah is on to us. | ||
| And the CEO is like, we can't be giving out $2 million loans. | ||
| Then everybody's going to find out that promissory notes are real. | ||
| What we've got to do is we've got to get the Attorney General on the case. | ||
| Pam Bondi, don't you dare talk to him about promissory notes. | ||
| And then you've got to fucking resign. | ||
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Exactly. | |
| What the fuck? | ||
| So the reason that this isn't a crime is because there's nothing being done. | ||
| You know, like, if he was trying to do this with, like, the crime that will end up catching up with him is the money he still owes. | ||
| Yeah, usually that comes back to me. | ||
| The idea that he's saying, the bank, I've written a fake check for two million dollars. | ||
| They can just throw that in the trash. | ||
| That's not really a crime. | ||
| It is a crime. | ||
| If they accept it and then you start to use that money, then it's fraud. | ||
| Currently, it's just dumb. | ||
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Which... | |
| Kind of brings us to our next clip. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| Because that's what Sean David Morton did to the government. | ||
| We talked about it on a recent episode. | ||
| Sean David Morton is a devout con man and frequent Project Camelot guest who misreported his income and deductions from his taxes in order to get millions of dollars from the government. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because until they look over it, sometimes things slip through the cracks. | ||
| So you could fill out a completely fraudulent tax return, and there's a decent chance... | ||
| It might go through, and you might get a giant check. | ||
| Yeah, for, like, maybe three to five years. | ||
| We've got a... | ||
| It's a flawed fucking system we have. | ||
| And they just depleted the IRS's staff, so you might get away with it for a long fucking time. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Who knows? | ||
| And that's why the sort of... | ||
| So our advice to everybody listening is defraud the government as much... | ||
| Wait, no, that's not our advice? | ||
| But that's why, like, audits are scary, is because some people... | ||
| We'll misreport stuff. | ||
| And then it's important that you report accurately because when the audit may come, if they find something like that, you are fucked. | ||
| Yeah, they're going to be mad. | ||
| You're going to go into the clink. | ||
| They're going to be mad. | ||
| Yeah, because generally speaking, those sorts of errors, especially when they're for large sums of money, are not accidents. | ||
| They're intentional defrauding of the government, which is what Sean David Morton is now in prison for. | ||
| Nah. | ||
| Now, interestingly... | ||
| Political prisoner, Dan. | ||
| They don't have the authority to do that. | ||
| So, again, the reason that that's fraud and what Ronald did is not fraud is because he didn't get any money from it. | ||
| It didn't successfully go through. | ||
| Otherwise, only because of the banks not going along with it and closing his account is he not committing fraud. | ||
| The attempt is there. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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But... | |
| And I mean, I guess technically, can you do something for attempted fraud? | ||
| Like, I guess if there's like malicious repeated attempted frauds, they can come at you. | ||
| But otherwise, yeah, it'd be like they give him like 30 days or something like that and a fine of $200. | ||
| And I imagine anybody at that bank feels like they just laugh or they feel bad for him. | ||
| One of the two. | ||
| So what's the use in prosecuting? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But... | ||
| That distinction is really important to make because now Carrie is going to be like, I need to tell you, you should be careful with that because Sean David Morton's in prison. | ||
| Carrie is giving up financial advice after she gave some dude like 30 grand herself and got frauded over it. | ||
| I think it was more than that. | ||
| But she's not against the plan. | ||
| That's an issue. | ||
| That's an issue for me. | ||
| She just thinks that doing it opens you up to the government jamming you. | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| A little bit, Dan! | ||
| In this next clip, she very much misrepresents what Sean David Morton did. | ||
| You're doing this now, and you filed these, I don't know, whatever you want to call it, promissory notes, and he literally got thrown in jail for kind of a similar thing, in a way. | ||
| The exact same thing. | ||
| One of the strikes against him, whatever you call that, is that he and his wife... | ||
| Because he sussed out the IRS and what a sham that is, and he wrote a check based on his value or whatever it is. | ||
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I don't quite get it, but, you know, for a certain amount of money. | |
| And they accepted it, believe it or not, as payment for his taxes. | ||
| And then they turned around and said he... | ||
| I mean, they literally... | ||
| Gave him the money. | ||
| He filed for money they owed him or something. | ||
| And they paid him. | ||
| And then they turned around and said, no, they made a mistake. | ||
| And he was responsible for their mistake. | ||
| And so they put certain counts against him. | ||
| It was really twisted logic. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| It does not take a twisting of logic for you to be like, oh, yeah, you lied to us. | ||
| That money isn't real. | ||
| And then you took our money. | ||
| It's not we made a mistake on our end. | ||
| It's that the mistake was you were allowed to do that ever. | ||
| No, I mean, it was a mistake. | ||
| It was being an oversight. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I agree with that. | ||
| It's not like we bungled this honest transaction and now we're punishing you for it. | ||
| You committed fraud. | ||
| We didn't catch it the first time around, but then we looked back at the books and we're like, hey, give us that $12 million back. | ||
| 12 million. | ||
| Something like that. | ||
| I don't remember exactly, but yeah, you defrauded a lot. | ||
| Every time, every time these guys get, look, if you're going to defraud the government, even the government's like, we're fine with it if it's like a little bit. | ||
| I would imagine. | ||
| I mean, you know, you just got to think about, you got to think about resource allocation. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| I'm not sure. | ||
| But what I am sure about is, this guy is making another movie. | ||
| Ronald is making another movie. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Did he just take out a loan? | ||
| Nope. | ||
| He has a GoFundMe page. | ||
| How's that doing? | ||
| We'll get into it in a little bit. | ||
| Did everybody sign him a promissory note? | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| So, Carrie wants to know what his new movie is about, and in revealing the plot of the movie, we find out that not only does he think he's the savior, not only is he a sovereign citizen, he might be another category of cat that we've not really talked all that much about. | ||
| Do you mean genius? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| In terms of your making this movie, what do you call the movie again? | ||
| The one I'm writing now, I'm about to finish a movie. | ||
| I've got about three more scenes to shoot. | ||
| That's called Horror Scope. | ||
| And there's a message behind that. | ||
| And the one I'm doing now, that I'm writing now, is called Lines of Destiny. | ||
| And eventually those bloodline members attempt to escape the Antarctic ice wall to get out of the Earth. | ||
| He's a flat earther. | ||
| And then they want to try and escape the holographic matrix that we're in to face the archons and to find out who the architect of this hologram is. | ||
| He's got it all. | ||
| He's a fucking unicorn. | ||
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All right. | |
| Well, so... | ||
| So he's in the DOD. | ||
| That's kind of an interesting concept in itself. | ||
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Is it... | |
| Swery. | ||
| Swery, Kerry. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| When you talk about Antarctic ice rings... | ||
| You're talking flat earth, baby. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That's fun. | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| So, he has a prediction. | ||
| We know from our last episode, Alex's predictions about everything. | ||
| And not just our last episode, plenty of them. | ||
| He's bad at predictions. | ||
| I would say that Ronald is right up there with him. | ||
| I think we are headed toward the... | ||
| What Albert Pike put in his Three World Wars letter. | ||
| Don't do that. | ||
| We're in the middle of the global war on terror, which I think is about to end. | ||
| And it's going to... | ||
| Leave the entire world hopeless and poverty-stricken and fearful and not in a position where they even know what to do. | ||
| What they want us to do, according to what Albert Pike wrote, is turn toward the Luciferian doctrine. | ||
| We're going to need a Messiah. | ||
| Trump is setting the stage now, and Reagan said it before. | ||
| No. | ||
| For him. | ||
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Boo. | |
| Is that we're preparing, I think, for a fake alien invasion. | ||
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Okay. | |
| After this whole... | ||
| I don't know if they're going to have this global war on terror blow up so much that it turns into a small nuclear war. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But, you know, the Georgia Guidestones are out there, and the First Commandment is to maintain a population under 500 million. | ||
| The Georgia Guidestones are out there, but this guy is out there. | ||
| This guy. | ||
| Is really drawn from the whole book, man. | ||
| If anybody is ready to write a sequel to the Bible filled with as much bullshit as you can cram into one book, I'll be goddamned if it isn't this cat. | ||
| I will say that this is the problem with people having free access to the internet. | ||
| Is that he's read every conspiracy site and he's like, yeah, that's all real. | ||
| Yeah, that sounds right. | ||
| Also, I used to work for the DOD. | ||
| Let me Google what the DOD... | ||
| Yeah, so... | ||
| The thing is, I don't want to unpack the idea of this fake alien invasion. | ||
| It's something that, I mean, Alex has even suggested that that's a possibility. | ||
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Of course. | |
| In order to bring the world together in a new one-world government, we have to unify against this alien menace. | ||
| It's the only way human beings really unite is whenever there's a common enemy. | ||
| Well, now, him bringing this up on Project Camelot is kind of problematic because Carrie believes that aliens are already here. | ||
| Well, that's why you would have to be a fake alien invasion. | ||
| Well, see, here's Carrie's take on it. | ||
| And I would say that in terms of the alien invasion, well, it's going to be a little difficult because, you know, I always say that it's kind of hard to conduct a fake alien invasion when you've got a real one going on. | ||
| So. | ||
| Booyah. | ||
| Ah, you're done. | ||
| So that's the, we're going to end this with like a trio of Close to Dunks on Carrie's part. | ||
| That was the first one. | ||
| That was like, hey, you know my whole thing is about that there's aliens already all over the place and they're maybe eating people for chocolate and all the times that you see, like, maybe the Parkland shooting was really just covering up people in South Carolina who were eaten by aliens because of wormholes. | ||
| You know all that stuff? | ||
| You're trying to come to me and say that there's a fake alien invasion? | ||
| That's gonna be tough. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Now, quick thinking on my feet, Jordan. | ||
| I'm saying right back to her, that's why it's so easy to stage a fake alien invasion. | ||
| Aliens would be in on it. | ||
| We've already got them here. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It would take like a couple of phone calls and then we've got an alien invasion, even though they've been living amongst us safely and unsafely. | ||
| For eons. | ||
| Is this the raptor princess? | ||
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Yes. | |
| What up? | ||
| We need you to fake an invasion. | ||
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I got it covered! | |
| Give me chocolate. | ||
| So, at this point, Ronald, they... | ||
| I assume he doesn't come back with that response. | ||
| No. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| That sort of is a, they have reached an impasse. | ||
| Yes, yeah. | ||
| In terms of that line of rhetoric. | ||
| Can Raptors throw plungers? | ||
| I ask you that question, Swery Carey. | ||
| With those little arms. | ||
| They're bad baseball players. | ||
| We know that. | ||
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Yep. | |
| So, because that sort of was a dead end, now Ronald's going to get back to his plan, his solution. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Which is just sovereign citizen bullshit about how you can get unlimited money if you give people promissory notes. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| And so he has a way... | ||
| It's not just that there's going to be money for everybody and we're going to be free of the evil central banks. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| There's much more to this. | ||
| There's more to it. | ||
| And once the promissory note is accepted for value... | ||
| Then there's no reason for most of the crimes that people are incarcerated for. | ||
| I want to also say really quick that this is a good argument for universal basic income. | ||
| But let's not muddy the waters with that sort of reasonable thinking. | ||
| Nobody's going to go out and rob because they don't have to, because they have their wealth. | ||
| They're not going to have to go sell themselves or sell drugs. | ||
| Well, I mean, technically they are still if there's a promise. | ||
| But you do realize that there's a plot to actually make sure that... | ||
| Something like this never happens. | ||
| Obviously. | ||
| You're afraid of us in numbers. | ||
| They are afraid of us in numbers. | ||
| That is true. | ||
| They don't want an uprising. | ||
| I'm not so sure sending a promissory note is really going to solve it. | ||
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Okay. | |
| You know, whatever. | ||
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Oh, shit, motherfucker! | |
| She even ended it with whatever. | ||
| God, I am liking this, Carrie. | ||
| It's still not great. | ||
| We have spent so much time with the most credible woman in the world. | ||
| And to hear her... | ||
| Not credible. | ||
| Credulous. | ||
| Credulous. | ||
| I apologize. | ||
| Complete opposite. | ||
| Complete opposite. | ||
| But to hear this level of, I know you're dumb, and I don't think you know you're dumb, from her, that's fantastic. | ||
| It's kind of nice. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| It's a delight. | ||
| Ronald's on the show. | ||
| And so he wants to get funding for his movie, and so he promotes his GoFundMe page on the show. | ||
| And now is the time in the episode where I would like you, Jordan, to guess how much is he making on his GoFundMe page? | ||
| How much is he asking for? | ||
| $100,000, and he's been on Project Camelot. | ||
| This came out like a week ago or so. | ||
| Uh-huh, uh-huh. | ||
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And... | |
| The GoFundMe page was created on August 6th, 2018. | ||
| So it's been about a month that it's been up. | ||
| It's been about a month. | ||
| $100,000, The Messiah, making a new movie with the help of someone who gets at least in the tens of thousands of views on all of her videos. | ||
| How much do you think that he has made on this GoFundMe page that I am looking at right now? | ||
| I am going to go with $65. | ||
| Zero. | ||
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Zero. | |
| Woo hoo hoo. | ||
| That's a kick to the pants. | ||
| That's not great. | ||
| That's not great. | ||
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The info wagon did better. | |
| This is tragic. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| I don't think he's doing well. | ||
| It's a bummer. | ||
| I don't think he's doing well, Dan. | ||
| It really is a bummer. | ||
| I think he's struggling. | ||
| So, he is offering people, though, when they come to his website or they email him, he will send them this promissory note template that he's come up with so they can get $2 million by sending it to a bank. | ||
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Right. | |
| And he also says, please show it to your lawyer. | ||
| Show it to your banker. | ||
| Don't do it. | ||
| See if they can find any problems with it. | ||
| They can and will. | ||
| It will be very easy for them. | ||
| But you know that sort of old salesman trick? | ||
| Not only that, but he's not only offering a promissory note, he's offering you the path to freedom. | ||
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Oh, okay. | |
| That's good. | ||
| I'll also send with this the promissory notes of the path to freedom, which is a document from the Sovereignty Education Defense Ministry. | ||
| That has the steps where you can remove yourself from the jurisdiction of the state so you never have to pay taxes, you don't have to have a driver's license, you don't have to have a social security number. | ||
| Now, before you do that, can I ask you, how are you going to raise money for a film and not have any of those things? | ||
| Well, I'm in this system and I have to use Federal Reserve notes. | ||
| I have no choice. | ||
| I'm working to affect the change and I'm working for these promissory notes to be accepted and I'm working to get people to withdraw from the government. | ||
| And when we all start working together en masse, then yes, I won't have to live off the Federal Reserve note. | ||
| But right now I have to. | ||
| So I have no choice. | ||
| I mean, I don't feel hypocritical about it because I have to do what I have to do. | ||
| I've lived on the street before and I'm not afraid to be uncomfortable. | ||
| So, like, hey, man, if you're preaching everyone a divorce themselves from the government, it'll set you free, and you haven't done it? | ||
| I gotta give you a pass. | ||
| I mean, not a pass. | ||
| I gotta give you a hard pass. | ||
| I was gonna say, no, sir. | ||
| Bye! | ||
| Bye-bye, sir! | ||
| If you don't have the faith in your own advice to take it, and you've already done the promissory note thing, you know that fucking doesn't work. | ||
| CFOs resign over it. | ||
| It's ludicrous. | ||
| I love that Carrie does bring that point up, which is, again, it's nice on her part. | ||
| So, towards the end of the episode... | ||
| Carrie does something that she does quite a bit, and she tries to go to the audience because she's live-streaming again. | ||
| And so she tries to go to the people in the chat to get questions for this guy. | ||
| It does not go well. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| A lot of nonsense. | ||
| They ask him about, like, do you think it's a good idea to raise your vibration? | ||
| He gives a rambling answer that was meaningless. | ||
| But it leads to this, which I think points out rank hypocrisy in Carrie Cassidy, and also reinforcement of her sweary Carrie nickname. | ||
| All right, so there's a lot of nonsense going on in the chat, I'm sad to say, and so I'm basically banning a bunch of people. | ||
| So if you're acting like an asshole on the chat, just be scared because I'm getting rid of you. | ||
| So don't come back. | ||
| I told you I was going to bring out the trolls, didn't I? | ||
| Yeah, like, don't come back. | ||
| Okay, because we don't want you, and go elsewhere. | ||
| And that goes for the CIA trolls, the paid trolls, etc., and the loonies out there that... | ||
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What? | |
| I just want to say stupid shit, because they're like... | ||
| How dare you? | ||
| All right, so... | ||
| Hey, Carrie, why are you banning people for speech you don't agree with? | ||
| Carrie. | ||
| All these people. | ||
| It seems like there's some sort of... | ||
| I want to say something like that that she just did with no compunctions or guilt or self-reflection whatsoever may have occurred to her recently. | ||
| And she tried to use it to make money. | ||
| That she politicized and perhaps made a central hmm. | ||
| You know, it's kind of like you set up rules in your private space. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Online, like when you're doing a show or something like that. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| And if people don't abide by it, then you're free to kick them out. | ||
| Much like businesses are free to do... | ||
| I don't understand, Dan. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Set the rules. | ||
| Follow them. | ||
| First Amendment. | ||
| Dumb people. | ||
| CIA shills coming and talking shit. | ||
| Get him, Swery Carey. | ||
| So stupid. | ||
| Dumb asshole. | ||
| Anyway. | ||
| So stupid. | ||
| Brings us to the end of... | ||
| All these people are stupid, Dan. | ||
| I know. | ||
| That's why we talk about them. | ||
| Brings us to the end of our Journey with the Messiah, which is a great Joe Satriani album, followed up Surfing with the Alien, our time with the Messiah. | ||
| How's he doing? | ||
| Joe Satriani? | ||
| No, our Messiah. | ||
| Is he doing all right? | ||
| He hasn't gotten any donations to his GoFundMe. | ||
| I bet he's pretty not happy about that. | ||
| I bet he's gotten a lot of promissory notes, though. | ||
| Oh, so many. | ||
| It's probably the... | ||
| Problem with his... | ||
| Yeah, do you think GoFundMe takes promissory notes? | ||
| Don't think so. | ||
| Shouldn't he have just been able to give a promissory note to GoFundMe? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And have them then put the... | ||
| No, GoFundMe's not a bank. | ||
| You have to go to the banks. | ||
| Oh, okay, right. | ||
| Because they're the ones who were involved with being in dishonor with maritime law or something or other. | ||
| Oh, man, if he turns out to be the messiah, I'm going to be so bummed. | ||
| I feel like the odds aren't great. | ||
| They're not good so far. | ||
| So, Jordan, we are now at the end of this journey. | ||
| Jesus' GoFundMe didn't do well either. | ||
| He got killed for 40 silver pieces. | ||
| He could have just written Judas a fucking promissory note. | ||
| You know the thing, too, is that saviors in the past have not been so concerned. | ||
| Usually they're like... | ||
| You guys do away with the earthly goods and shit. | ||
| Overturning things in temples and give Caesar what's Caesar. | ||
| Seems kind of chill about money for the most part. | ||
| Anyway, I don't care. | ||
| This has been fun, but we have a website. | ||
| It's knowledgefight.com. | ||
| You should check that out. | ||
| Could you follow us on Twitter somehow? | ||
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We can. | |
| You can. | ||
| We can also. | ||
| It's knowledge underscore fight. | ||
| How about Facebook? | ||
| We're on Facebook. | ||
| Do we have a group for people to go to where they post fun, cool stuff? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| It's called Go Home, Tell Your Mother You're Brilliant. | ||
| That's really where most of the action is. | ||
| We're bad at social media, so if you like the show and you want to engage... | ||
| And one of us is completely off social media. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If you want to engage with listeners, and I'm on there a little bit, please go to Go Home and Tell Your Mother You're Brilliant on Facebook. | ||
| And if you want to listen to the podcast, find us on iTunes or some shit like that. | ||
| You can probably find us. | ||
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It's cool if you tell people about us, because people like telling other people about stuff. | |
| Yep. | ||
| That helps. | ||
| So, Jordan, we'll be back with our next episode, which will be back to Alex Jones' territory. | ||
| But even though he wasn't on this episode, it's really important that everybody out there remember that Alex Jones probably killed a dude. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
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I'm a huge fan. | |
| I love your work. |