Today, Dan and Jordan finally get to the public unveiling of the Tea Party and see what Alex Jones was up to while that was happening. Also, Dan talks a whole lot about the rap music he likes and Jordan does some impressions.
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| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your work. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Hey, everybody. | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
| I'm Jordan. | ||
| We're a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Indeed we are. | ||
| Dan. | ||
| Hey. | ||
| Dan. | ||
| What? | ||
| What's the deepest you've ever swam? | ||
| What? | ||
| I've been in the Marianas Trench, boy. | ||
| Deep down there. | ||
| How deep? | ||
| Oh, so deep. | ||
| I got deep like Jacques Cousteau. | ||
| No, I don't need that. | ||
| I don't need that in my life. | ||
| Referencing a song by the Jedi Mind Tricks from my 1996 album? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Psychosocial, biological, electromagnetic, and chemical manipulation of human consciousness. | ||
| A great album that I loved before I realized how horribly homophobic the Jedi Mind Tricks are. | ||
| I realized, oh no, Vinnie Paz, you're a bad dude. | ||
| My favorite part of your references is just how relevant they are. | ||
| Just how so fucking... | ||
| Fucking relevant. | ||
| I don't know, man. | ||
| I lived in Hawaii for a little while, went scuba diving a number of times. | ||
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Did you? | |
| Never like bell diving or anything like that. | ||
| I never got the bends. | ||
| I kicked a shark once. | ||
| You kicked a shark once? | ||
| Yeah, it wasn't. | ||
| Like out of anger? | ||
| No, it was an accident. | ||
| I was swimming around and it was like a little shark, not like a hostile shark. | ||
| No. | ||
| I kicked it and it scared the shit out of me. | ||
| A hostile shark sounds like a great name for a movie. | ||
| Yeah, and a great Jedi Mind Tricks album. | ||
| From 1998. | ||
| What? | ||
| No, it wasn't. | ||
| Okay, goddammit. | ||
| Visions of Gandhi, I think, was their next album. | ||
| I believe you when you make a reference toward Jedi Mind Tricks. | ||
| I will buy anything. | ||
| Legacy of Blood. | ||
| Oh, yeah? | ||
| Wasn't that the third Blade movie? | ||
| Yeah, I think so. | ||
| Visions of Gandhi was another one. | ||
| Servants in Heaven, Kings in Hell. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| That actually sounds fun. | ||
| They have something to them, but they are... | ||
| Horrible monsters. | ||
| Bad opinions. | ||
| Late 90s hip-hop was really homophobic. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Pretty much across the board. | ||
| They never grew out of it, although they're fucking beats. | ||
| Oh, plenty of people have grown out of it. | ||
| Tyler... | ||
| No, I'm sorry. | ||
| Oh, no, okay. | ||
| I was going to say. | ||
| I'm saying that Icon the Verbal Hologram. | ||
| Because Tyler just came out, man. | ||
| Oh, that's cool. | ||
| Good on him. | ||
| I didn't know that. | ||
| I don't keep up with stuff. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| I understand. | ||
| I got a lot of Alex Jones to listen to. | ||
| It hurts my pop culture awareness. | ||
| Can't keep up with Odd Future Wolfgang Kildemal? | ||
| Cannot. | ||
| I'm telling you, Earl Sweatshirt, man. | ||
| Earl. | ||
| I heard that album is good. | ||
| Earl Sweatshirt is a beast. | ||
| I saw some tweets! | ||
| About it. | ||
| We're great at this show, Dan. | ||
| Yeah, we are. | ||
| Something else that's great on this show is how we like to give shout-outs to new donors. | ||
| Jordan, today I'd like to give a shout-out to some new folks who've joined up and supported the show. | ||
| We're very excited about this, and thank you so much. | ||
| First, Benjamin, congratulations on becoming a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you, Benjamin. | ||
| Thank you very much, Benjamin. | ||
| I'd also like to give a shout-out to someone with the coolest name in the world who has become a policy wonk. | ||
| Dan Friesen. | ||
| Close. | ||
| Thank you so much, Daniel. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you, Daniel. | ||
| I actually saw that coming. | ||
| Prophecy. | ||
| Oh, yeah? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Book of Daniel, a great song by M.F. Grimm. | ||
| Every music now is going to be Jedi Mind Tricks. | ||
| No, M.F. Grimm. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| I heard it, but I needed you to say Jedi Mind Tricks. | ||
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I wish. | |
| I wish there was a Daniel reference in there. | ||
| I couldn't make my camp. | ||
| Also very special. | ||
| Shout out to someone who joined up. | ||
| This is someone who's been a long time supporter of the show. | ||
| We can't thank her enough for all of the non-direct. | ||
| No, you're crushing it. | ||
| She's been on board forever and has spread the word about the show. | ||
| We can't thank her enough, and I'd like to say thank you so much. | ||
| Heather, you are now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you so much, Heather. | ||
| Yes, it's a delight to have you on board with the wonkery, although you have been for a long time. | ||
| I actually met her when we were down in Texas. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| It's great. | ||
| No, she's at the very least been an honorary policy wonk for so long. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's good to... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Now I feel cheap. | ||
| It's good that you joined the policy wonks, which apparently has an entrance fee. | ||
| In fact, I feel so bad about it, I'm going to bump her up to a technocrat. | ||
| All right, there we go. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
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Four stars. | |
| Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. | ||
| Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. | ||
| Daddy Shark. | ||
| Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. | ||
| He's a loser little titty baby. | ||
| I don't want to hate black people. | ||
| I renounce Jesus Christ! | ||
| Thank you so much, Arthur. | ||
| That's what we call an audible. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Audible.com does not sponsor the show. | ||
|
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Do you know what's crazy? | |
| My girlfriend just asked me like three days ago what calling an audible means. | ||
| Oh, yeah? | ||
| Yeah, she's 30 here. | ||
| Some age around that. | ||
| I assume a lot of people didn't watch sports when they were younger. | ||
| Yeah, but it's a colloquialism that's been in the public zeitgeist for so long. | ||
| Yeah, but there's so many ones like batting down the hatches and stuff like that. | ||
| There's a lot of idioms. | ||
| Well, yeah, but that's from like 1500s. | ||
| There's like 23 skidoo. | ||
| There's a lot of idioms. | ||
| Okay, now 23 skidoo is wackadoo. | ||
| I don't understand what that means still. | ||
| Chippecanoe and Tyler too. | ||
| There's a lot of expressions that we use. | ||
| Let's dance Chippecanoe and Tyler too! | ||
| I do. | ||
| Look, there's a lot of expressions that we don't know why we say them, but we do. | ||
| I still don't know why you say Tippecanoe and Tyler do. | ||
| It rhymes. | ||
| One more shout-out I'd like to give to someone who has been donating and bumped it up a little bit. | ||
| And actually, it turns out that I've retired the foreign policy wonk sound effect. | ||
| I can't find it. | ||
| You can't find it? | ||
| No. | ||
| So officially now... | ||
| Everyone is a globalist. | ||
| Yeah, basically. | ||
| Foreign Policy Wonk is now globalist. | ||
| And thank you so much, Sarah. | ||
| You are now a globalist. | ||
| I'm a Policy Wonk. | ||
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Four stars. | |
| Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. | ||
| Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. | ||
| Daddy Shark. | ||
| Thank you, Sarah. | ||
| Yes, thank you very much, Sarah. | ||
| Also, to everyone who is currently a globalist, please email Dan and we will play a 45-minute long repetition of that exact clip for you. | ||
| I hope we don't do that. | ||
| Yeah, I don't think so. | ||
| Thank you to everybody. | ||
| The last month was really awesome in terms of expansion of the podcast, growth. | ||
| We saw massive growth in terms of listenership. | ||
| Hell yeah! | ||
| And we really appreciate everybody who's helped spread the word because we're... | ||
| Piles of shit at that. | ||
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Yeah, absolutely. | |
| We're so bad. | ||
| And it means a lot, and it is showing dividends. | ||
| So thank you for everyone's help with our shortcomings. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, Jordan, today... | ||
| Also, I'm emotionally unavailable, so this is very helpful. | ||
| Thank you to everybody. | ||
| The audience fills in. | ||
| There's plenty of shortcomings that they have helped me with. | ||
| I'm escapist! | ||
| I watch shows about people eating food all the time. | ||
| To try and soften my feelings. | ||
| Chopped. | ||
| Chopped is not on Netflix. | ||
| Can't do it. | ||
| Although, I watched that show Million Dollar Menu, and I love it. | ||
| You love it? | ||
| Million Dollar Menu? | ||
| I'm furious. | ||
| There's only six episodes of it. | ||
| So good. | ||
| It's hosted by a famous Mater D. I was texting you about this. | ||
| I know. | ||
| I don't understand that. | ||
| You said the words famous Mater D, and my brain broke. | ||
| Watch one fucking episode of this show, and you'll get why he's a famous Mater D. I don't know what that would entail. | ||
| So welcoming. | ||
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Is he just really good at it? | |
| Moving people to their tables? | ||
| I want to be like him. | ||
| You watch this show and you're like, oh god, this guy. | ||
| I want to be like him. | ||
| The exact opposite way I feel about Alex Jobs. | ||
| Does he speak French? | ||
| Damn you! | ||
| That was a perfect transition. | ||
| No, but he has a slight French lilt to his voice as he speaks in English, which is delightful. | ||
| Okay, good. | ||
| Not delightful. | ||
| Alex Jones. | ||
| There you go! | ||
| Second attempt. | ||
| Saved it. | ||
| So, Jordan, we got sidetracked from our 2009 investigation quite heavily. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| By the present day, Alex Jones getting kicked off of everything and us dabbling around in that and covering it, and then the Anders Breivik episode, and, you know. | ||
| So we got off track a little bit, but it's important because we were so close that we could taste it to getting to the outbreak. | ||
| And I mean literal outbreak of the Tea Party. | ||
| Starring Dustin Hoffman. | ||
| And so today we're going over February 25th to March 1st in 2009. | ||
| As we've pointed out repeatedly, February 27th, 2009 is the date of the first Chicago Tea Parties that broke out across the nation. | ||
| There was something... | ||
| I don't remember the exact number, but we'll get to it later. | ||
| There was many of them in a bunch of states and cities around the country. | ||
| It is seen as the formal kickoff of the Tea Party. | ||
| Curiously well-funded group. | ||
| Yeah, very strange. | ||
| Curiously well-funded group before it had ever really coalesced into a group. | ||
| Very strange. | ||
| It's odd. | ||
| Especially when you track the roots of it that were around from the Citizens for a Sound Economy, had a Tea Party website going years before. | ||
| It's great. | ||
| Stuff like that. | ||
| They were crushing it. | ||
| And I've also been a little bit not forthcoming about the reality of what we're talking about. | ||
| There were 40 cities where they had this nationwide Chicago Tea Party. | ||
| But on February 18th, 2009, sorry, on the 19th, the day after, the 18th was the day that Obama announced the Homeowners' Affordability and Stability Plan. | ||
| On the next day, CNBC Business News editor Rick Santelli criticized the plan on a live broadcast from the floor of the Chicago Mercantile Exchange. | ||
| He said that the plans were promoting bad behavior and subsidizing losers' mortgages. | ||
| He suggested holding a tea party for traders to gather, traders, not traitors, to gather... | ||
| Well, they're a little bit both, honestly. | ||
| ...and dump their derivatives into the Chicago River on July 1st. | ||
| President Obama, are you listening, he asked. | ||
| There are no adults. | ||
| His rant went viral and was promoted on the Drudge Report. | ||
| So, that happened on the 19th, which we've already covered that period of time. | ||
| Alex never brings that up. | ||
| Right. | ||
| He has every reason to know about this from the sources that we know he looks at. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| This is the kind of thing he should be into. | ||
| He's not mentioned it once. | ||
| So now, as we get closer to the outbreak of the nationwide Chicago Tea Party, it'll be interesting to see how he... | ||
| Responds to the actual event. | ||
| I don't remember everybody dropping their derivatives into the Chicago River. | ||
| 40 cities and those people that I saw there probably didn't have a lot of derivatives. | ||
| I'm going to be honest with you. | ||
| I think they might have lost the thread pretty quickly within that two weeks. | ||
| Also, it's fun that a guy went on a business channel and said, Oh, that program to stop... | ||
| The giant recession that we're not coming out of? | ||
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Boo! | |
| It rewards the losers. | ||
| You know, the people who were scammed. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Whose money was stolen from them. | ||
| It's not the most palatable thing. | ||
| Nah, thanks. | ||
| Thanks, Trader Joe. | ||
| So, we start today on the 25th, and Alex has a narrative that goes throughout the entire episode that he feels really passionate about. | ||
| And I'll say I give this one star. | ||
| In the meantime, we will go over the latest developments with the address of Congress. | ||
| I guess he doesn't want to wait months until the scheduled ancestral ceremonial ancient rite of the State of the Union. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Ancient? | ||
| This was an address of Congress, but the public can't tell the difference. | ||
| And it was interesting watching all of those. | ||
| Congress critters, as some call them, and criminals, almost all of them, hardcore criminals. | ||
| Don't disagree. | ||
| A large portion of them. | ||
| Don't disagree. | ||
| Those certainly empower hardcore criminals, the committee chairman and others, predominantly. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| There they were, just a ten-minute standing ovation, just clapping and clapping and worshiping and kneeling and bowing like some primitive ritual to the war chief. | ||
| And it really was a celebration of their robbery. | ||
| So I don't disagree with his criticism that they do way too many of those standing ovations whenever the president addresses Congress. | ||
| Isn't that weird? | ||
| It's very strange. | ||
| What are you guys doing? | ||
| Can't you just sit there and, like, pay attention? | ||
| As somebody who's like, I mean, you've done stand-up for many years. | ||
| I did do it for many years. | ||
| The idea of that, like... | ||
| You wouldn't want that. | ||
| No, it would bum you out. | ||
| You wouldn't want that, but he's standing ovation. | ||
| It's very jarring and disorienting. | ||
| Yeah, and not just least of which, but if you're not making some people angry, what are you doing? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| You know, what are you doing? | ||
| You don't have any integrity. | ||
| I'll go with him on that. | ||
| I think it's really false and artificial and lame. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| But he's saying that, like... | ||
| Obama's doing something wrong by addressing Congress when it's not the State of the Union speech, as if it's some sort of behavior that only a ruler king would engage in. | ||
| Only one. | ||
| Only one man, one type of man, would ever address Congress on any other day, Dan. | ||
| But the reality is that this is a very common practice among newly elected presidents. | ||
| On February 27, 2001, George W. Bush addressed the joint session of Congress, which was not the State of the Union. | ||
| That was right after 9-11, though. | ||
| No, it wasn't. | ||
| On February 17th, 1993, Bill Clinton gave a speech to the Joint Session of Congress. | ||
| On February 9th... | ||
| That was right after the first time that the Twin Towers got hit. | ||
| On February 9th, 1989, George H.W. Bush addressed the Joint Session for the first time. | ||
| On February 18th, 1981, Ronald Reagan addressed the Joint Session. | ||
| That was when he tore down the Twin Towers. | ||
| In 1977, Jimmy Carter waited until April 20th for 20 up high. | ||
| Nice! | ||
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Click. | |
| He waited until April 20th to address the joint session, but it was not the State of the Union. | ||
| In 1973, Richard Nixon didn't address the joint session, but to be fair, he was a little busy at the time. | ||
| On March 19th, 1965, LBJ gave a speech to the joint session that was not a State of the Union. | ||
| Sorry for killing Kennedy, guys. | ||
| That was me. | ||
| On April 12th, 1921, Warren G. Harding addressed the joint session. | ||
| I'm Warren G. Harding! | ||
| Hello to Congress! | ||
| That's a great impression. | ||
| On May 16th, 1797, John Adams addressed the joint session. | ||
| It wasn't a joint... | ||
| Listen, here's the deal. | ||
| Typically and especially the first time a president wins the general election, generally not if they get re-elected, but the first time that they get elected in the general election, they give a speech to the joint session of Congress about a month after being inaugurated. | ||
| It is a very common practice, especially in modern American political tradition. | ||
| Oh, and also on February 28, 2017, Donald Trump addressed the joint session of Congress. | ||
| It was not the State of the Union, just the exact same formality speech that so many presidents, including the dreaded tyrant Barack Obama, has given in the past. | ||
| It's very, very standard stuff and Alex should know that and the fact that he's complaining about it and making it seem like it's some weird thing means to me he doesn't understand American civic reality. | ||
| Or it's almost like he's... | ||
| Just creating a narrative, a whole cloth in order to take down a guy that he doesn't like. | ||
| I have never heard of the conservative media doing anything like that, Dan. | ||
| Our boy wouldn't do that. | ||
| Never! | ||
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Never! | |
| So, he complains about this probably throughout a lot of this episode. | ||
| He comes back to it over and over again. | ||
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Oh my god. | |
| So Obama just gave a speech? | ||
| And this is an entire episode. | ||
| No, it's not the entire episode, but he comes back to it over and over again. | ||
| I don't have a ton of instances of it, but he brings it up with his guests that he has on. | ||
| It's sort of something that he's really trying to make a meal out of. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| But before we get into any of the sort of serious stuff about this episode, Alex is in a mood, and he gets a caller that asks him about secession. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And he rushes to break, and when he comes back from break, he addresses the issue of secession. | ||
| We're asking what the feds are going to do as the states secede. | ||
| Now, I want to be clear about this because people get confused by it and then claim that I am being hypocritical or double-faced. | ||
| That is not Janice here, ladies and gentlemen. | ||
| I want to be clear about this. | ||
| I am not for state secession. | ||
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Okay. | |
| But. | ||
| Unless. | ||
| What? | ||
| It is an emergency last-ditch effort where the United States has fully been sucked in to the North American Union that's already being merged with via the Transatlantic Treaty Agreement. | ||
| So that's already happening. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| With the European Union. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So you should. | ||
| What I am for is the states declaring their inherent sovereignty. | ||
| It was the states that constituted and created the federal government. | ||
| Not really. | ||
| And so when states declare sovereignty and say, we're not going to follow your gun laws, we're not going to follow your open borders, we're not going to let the feds come in here and enforce taking people to jail when you set up your national draft and conscription, that is their job. | ||
| The states created the federal government. | ||
| That's why it's the United States. | ||
| And if 35 states got together, And said, we aren't abolishing the federal government. | ||
| It is law. | ||
| It is stated in triplicate, Bill of Rights, Constitution, Declaration of Independence, that that will happen. | ||
| But you can have states individually say that they're not following what the federal government says. | ||
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Sure. | |
| Okay? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Well, I think he just summed it up appropriately. | ||
| If you have 35 states who decide to abolish the federal government, Then the federal government has two weeks to get out. | ||
| It's like an eviction notice. | ||
| I'm telling you, I'm glad he started that by saying, let me be clear. | ||
| Because crystal clear. | ||
| Clear as day. | ||
| Let me be clear. | ||
| I do support secession, but I don't. | ||
| That would be a last-ditch effort if the federal government was doing everything it's currently doing right now. | ||
| Right. | ||
| All of those things it's doing would cause secession. | ||
| It's basically like, I don't want the states to secede and dissolve the union unless there's an emergency. | ||
| Now, I should say my entire career is based on convincing you that there's exactly that emergency. | ||
| Going on, I misrepresent the fact to paint a picture that that is the emergency, so please secede, but I'm not in favor of it. | ||
| No, please don't secede, but you gotta. | ||
| Guys. | ||
| You gotta secede. | ||
| You don't wanna. | ||
| Guys. | ||
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Which 35 states would secede? | |
| Also, the idea that the states created the union, yeah, sure, on some level that's the truth, but there are also a lot of states that weren't part of the fucking union when it started. | ||
| Also, a lot of the states are involved. | ||
| I still don't think Montana is a state. | ||
| No. | ||
| Principality at best. | ||
| And then, uh, I think what he wants is just, like, feudal city-states. | ||
| You know, just all the states are their own little mini-countries where the governor is the king. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. | ||
| The sheriff is the, uh... | ||
| Highest authority in the land. | ||
| Sheriff is, like, the sheriff of Nottingham. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, exactly. | ||
| Basically. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I don't like that vision of the future. | ||
| Anyway. | ||
| Nope! | ||
| I don't like that vision of anything. | ||
| Bums me out that it was the past. | ||
| So, Jordan, here we go. | ||
| Finally, on February 25th, after a copious amount of looking, we finally find someone bring up the tea party. | ||
| Cool. | ||
| It's not Alex. | ||
| Okay, Susan in Illinois, go ahead. | ||
| I'm Susan! | ||
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Hi, Alex. | |
| Hi, Susan. | ||
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Well, I've been awake for about three months. | |
| Go to bed! | ||
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And the first two weeks I was in shock and cried and felt betrayed, and now I'm pretty much just mad. | |
| But with that, I wanted to remind or tell everybody to go to nationwidechicagoteaparty.com. | ||
| I don't know if you've heard of it, but there's a nationwide tea party happening in about 35 cities, people protesting, and I'm really encouraged about that. | ||
| So, unfortunately, at this point, she's like, what do you think about the Pope? | ||
| And Alex goes off on answering that question so he doesn't get to, he doesn't respond to her bringing up the tea party. | ||
| Right. | ||
| He gets lost in his own world of like, well, I don't want to shit on the Catholics, but Pope's, you know, he's bad. | ||
| Oh, they're all bad. | ||
| They're all globalists. | ||
| Do we still have Nazi Pope at this time? | ||
| Yeah, we still have Ratzinger, the Nazi Pope. | ||
| And so I only know that because someone requested that I go to the day that the Pope steps down. | ||
| And I tried to find that episode, but Alex was on vacation. | ||
| And David Knight was hosting that day, and David Knight's not really around. | ||
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The Pope has stepped down. | |
| Don't do it. | ||
| He is no longer the Pope. | ||
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This has not been seen since other Popes in the past. | |
| And now, for expert analysis, Leo Zagami. | ||
| And the Pope is gone! | ||
| Alright, no, that's not good. | ||
| That's not a good, that's very stereotypical and offensive. | ||
| You're on a fucking impression. | ||
| I am on a roll today! | ||
| So, Alex rambles about his feelings about religion. | ||
| And then he gets to this, where he does finally circle back to her question about the tea party. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And we can see where his head is at. | ||
| But before that, he kind of wants you to trick your priest. | ||
| Wait, what? | ||
| Wait, what? | ||
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He wants you to... | |
| He wants you to trick a priest? | ||
| He wants you to fuck with your priest a little bit. | ||
| It's very weird. | ||
| All right. | ||
| And we've got all these Methodist and Baptist and Southern Baptist preachers. | ||
| Well, I mean, you saw them, Catholics. | ||
| Protestants, everybody at that big thing with Obama where he's conscripting them and he's expanding Bush's faith-based initiatives to pay off the churches and to be, quote, community leaders and to watch their neighborhood. | ||
| I want to stop here real quick because there's a point that I've been meaning to make that I keep forgetting. | ||
| Alex's whole thing is like the government's trying to control these preachers with their 501c3 tax-exempt status so they can't preach whatever I want them to be preaching from the pulpit. | ||
| I have a very simple solution to that. | ||
| Pay your fucking taxes! | ||
| Why don't they pay their taxes again? | ||
| Pay your taxes, and then you can preach whatever you want. | ||
| I really don't understand why they don't pay taxes. | ||
| Pay your taxes, and then you can get political from the bench. | ||
| Like, Jim Baker's paying taxes now. | ||
| He's probably evading a lot of them, but he's not tax-exempt, and that's why he can do these weird We're Praying for Trump broadcasts, because it's a religious organization that is not tax-exempt. | ||
| You could do that too, guys! | ||
| Pay your taxes! | ||
| Pay your fucking taxes. | ||
| That's the only thing. | ||
| You're not... | ||
| Just because you believe in something, I really don't think you should be tax-exempt. | ||
| That sounds terrible. | ||
| I feel like that's too complicated for us to unpack. | ||
| No, I think it's pretty simple. | ||
| Religion isn't real. | ||
| Stop it. | ||
| Pay your taxes. | ||
| I don't necessarily want taxes to... | ||
| Churches to be not tax-exempt because there are a lot of good things that they bring to society that they aren't getting paid for. | ||
| In terms of soup kitchen stuff and helping the poor. | ||
| Those sorts of things. | ||
| Well, deduct it on your taxes! | ||
| That's an interesting way to do it. | ||
| I don't know if we need to complicate the tax code even more that way. | ||
| For religions, I'm fine with making their lives harder. | ||
| I tentatively support the idea of churches being tax-exempt. | ||
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But... | |
| If you want to preach patriot stuff, or even if you want to preach democratic talking points from the pulpit. | ||
| Or if you're Scientology. | ||
| Sure! | ||
| Any of the above. | ||
| Pay your fucking taxes. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That's the simple solution. | ||
| That's all you have to do. | ||
| It's not hard. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So everybody should ask their preachers or their priest or whatever, their rabbi, their imam, are you working with the government? | ||
| But ask it in a nice way, hey, I heard a lot of preachers are working with FEMA for emergency readiness. | ||
| And they get real weird. | ||
| How did you hear about that? | ||
| They say, oh, no, I just heard. | ||
| I want to help. | ||
| And then they act real suspicious, say, hey, I want you to tell me. | ||
| But a lot of times if you act friendly about it, they'll go, oh, yeah, we're preparing to help America. | ||
| So it's very, very creepy and very, very evil. | ||
| And organized religion is basically controlled by the globalists. | ||
| Sounds right. | ||
|
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Alex, are you encouraged about the Tea Party on Friday? | |
| It's this Friday, the 27th. | ||
| You know, I heard something about folks having their own protest demonstrations, like in the Fed and all this other spontaneous stuff and groups, and I just think it's wonderful. | ||
| Just more people doing more, just getting out on the streets and exercising those political muscles. | ||
| It's just awesome, Susan. | ||
| I appreciate your call. | ||
| Sean, Rob, Joshua, Mike, and others. | ||
| Alex has no idea what's going on. | ||
| He doesn't know about the tea party. | ||
| No clue. | ||
| Because I don't believe... | ||
| I don't think he can play anything close to the vest. | ||
| If he does know about it and he's on board at this point already... | ||
| He'd be going non-stop. | ||
| Well, or he wouldn't be able to feign lack of awareness of it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And just be like, well, I think it's great that people are going out and protesting. | ||
| All he knows is it's a sympathetic caller talking about these things that seem to be like a tax protest. | ||
| Maybe he's heard a little bit about it and he's like, yeah, sounds good. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Have fun out there. | ||
| Yeah, she's a plant. | ||
| You kids. | ||
| She's a plant for sure. | ||
| Yeah, probably. | ||
| I mean, we all know. | ||
| I've been awake for three months. | ||
| I think it was five. | ||
| But be that as it may, yeah. | ||
| I wrote down three. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| You're probably right. | ||
| Pretty sure. | ||
| Probably right. | ||
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Either way. | |
| What woke her up? | ||
| Alex probably. | ||
| Got red pill. | ||
| What did she walk by? | ||
| Alex Jones radio? | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Or saw a link to an Infowars.com article. | ||
| That's possible. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Or she was paid by the Koch brothers to call every radio station with a sympathetic ear and give them the exact date multiple times. | ||
| And the website. | ||
|
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Yep. | |
| Yeah, I mean, we know that a lot of radio stations have fake callers. | ||
| It's endemic in talk radio. | ||
| It's part of the game. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I think that most of Alex's callers are real, but that doesn't mean that he's not still susceptible to someone Using his platform to get something else out. | ||
| We've seen that a million times. | ||
| I saw clear diction and sentence structure from that caller. | ||
| Plant. | ||
| Suspicious. | ||
| So, Alex is in a weird mood. | ||
| He's going to complain about Obama a bunch more. | ||
| But before he does, he starts to think about a movie. | ||
| Of course, a science fiction movie. | ||
| He's got to talk about it. | ||
| And when you're dying of the bioweapons implanted in your body, I know you're too mentally... | ||
| Weak to even admit we were right then. | ||
| Johnny Mnemonic. | ||
| You have always been weak. | ||
| You have always been evil. | ||
| Cool. | ||
| And so you are with your father. | ||
| It's what you want. | ||
| It's what you get. | ||
| Who did that song? | ||
| Come to that techno from the 80s. | ||
| This is what they want. | ||
| Everybody? | ||
| This is what they get. | ||
| This is what they want. | ||
| This is what they get. | ||
| YouTube that. | ||
| I bet you can just say, this is what they want. | ||
| This is what they get. | ||
| It was in a great sci-fi, low-budget B movie. | ||
| In this dystopic future after nuclear war. | ||
| And there's a... | ||
| This guy's a commando. | ||
| He brings back to his girlfriend. | ||
| The Warriors. | ||
| What he thinks is a repair droid. | ||
| He finds out on the wasteland. | ||
| It's really a killer droid. | ||
| Star Wars. | ||
| Actually, you have stuff like that now. | ||
| It ends up injecting him with the chemical weapon. | ||
| But it gives you a nice hallucination of pleasure as you die. | ||
| And he sees the kaleidoscope. | ||
| Things crawling around in his apartment. | ||
| This is what they want. | ||
| This is what they get. | ||
| This is what they want. | ||
| This is what they get, get, get, get. | ||
| You are going to get it. | ||
| You're into death and skulls and murder. | ||
| Oh, you had the threat and then he lost it. | ||
| Well, don't worry. | ||
| Those above you are even more into it. | ||
| And they hate you. | ||
| They hate you as you serve them. | ||
| And they're afraid of you. | ||
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And they're afraid of you. | |
| Sure. | ||
| And so they're going to fly over you and spray you with the 2000 and... | ||
| Nine equivalent of Agent Orange, the DU. | ||
| You're going to breathe it. | ||
| And you're going to love it. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Alright. | ||
| Some of the news. | ||
| Here's that. | ||
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I love that. | |
| They're going to kill you all, but it'll make you feel pleasurable for the end. | ||
| Anyways, getting to the news. | ||
| Let's get to Steve on the weather. | ||
| What's in the headlines? | ||
| Alright, Alex. | ||
| I don't think they're spraying depleted uranium, but whatever. | ||
| Can you spray depleted uranium? | ||
| Do you gotta liquefy it first? | ||
| Not sure. | ||
| Didn't look into that one. | ||
| Didn't look into that? | ||
| I decided to reject it whole clothed. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I've looked into chemtrails enough to know that I don't think that's one of... | ||
| Even in the weirdest conspiracies, I don't think it's depleted uranium. | ||
| No, do you know it's crazy, though? | ||
| It's like aluminum. | ||
| Have you ever seen a crop duster? | ||
| Like someone farting on your desk? | ||
| And then walking away. | ||
| That's what you want. | ||
| That's what you get. | ||
| It's moments like that. | ||
| It's moments like that that make me wonder if this show would work so much better if Alex had a co-host. | ||
| You know, to bounce things off of? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| No. | ||
| Because if he's doing that, like, there's what they want. | ||
| There's what they get. | ||
| What was that movie? | ||
| The other guy could come in and be like, well, it was actually Flatliners or whatever the fuck. | ||
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Flatliners? | |
| I don't know. | ||
| So you could have somebody to at least bounce things off of. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| No, I totally get you. | ||
| The problem is that whenever Alex has anybody subordinate to him, like Jason Burmess or someone like that in studio, he just steamrolls them. | ||
| It would have had to have started way before. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Now that he's... | ||
| In 2009, there's no way he could adjust to a co-host. | ||
| Or it'd have to be someone who he has a pre-existing respect for, like a Mike Adams or something like that. | ||
| I think he could... | ||
| Have the authority, the status, to cock Alex a little bit. | ||
| Or contain him. | ||
| Time travel. | ||
| We're going to book this. | ||
| We're talking Major League era Charlie Sheen. | ||
| Toss him in there. | ||
| He could have used that victory. | ||
| Not sure that Charlie would want that. | ||
| Back then? | ||
| Hey, but I'm just saying that we would never have had two and a half men. | ||
| Wouldn't have had to deal with it. | ||
| Major League 3? | ||
| Never would have had to. | ||
| I don't think he was in Major League 3. Was he in the second one? | ||
| He was definitely in the second one. | ||
| I don't know if he was. | ||
| He was definitely in the second one. | ||
| Oh, he was. | ||
| You're right. | ||
| He came out of the bullpen in the second one. | ||
| It was very important. | ||
| It was a big redemption arc for him. | ||
| There's a lot of other stuff we wouldn't have. | ||
| So, at this point, my friend Alex has a guest. | ||
| And it is a continuation of all of his state senators and state representatives coming in to talk about the Tenth Amendment stuff. | ||
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Cool. | |
| Excellent. | ||
| He's an Oklahoma state senator, I believe might have been a rep, by the name of Randy Brogdon. | ||
| That's the most Oklahoma state senator name you could ever have gotten. | ||
| This guy is not cool. | ||
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What? | |
| Most of his career is just like 10th Amendment type state sovereignty activity and things like that. | ||
| He sounds like he was created by the D.A.R.E. | ||
| program. | ||
| What do you mean? | ||
| Keep kids off drugs? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Nah, he has another agenda. | ||
| But... | ||
|
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Keep kids on drugs. | |
| 420. | ||
|
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Yeah! | |
| So, the thing is, towards the more recent past, he's shown a bit of his wild streak, his wild feathers. | ||
| I don't remember what the... | ||
| I'm using the wrong expression. | ||
| Now we're trying to get colloquialisms in here. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| He's shown his true colors. | ||
| Okay. | ||
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There you go. | |
| So, in 2015, Randy Brogdon called GOP Executive Director for Oklahoma, T.C. Ryan, a kind and outstanding young man. | ||
| This would not be too upsetting, except that T.C. Ryan, Brogdon was saying this after Ryan was forced to step down from his position, after he pled guilty to charges of domestic assault and battery in the presence of a minor child, as well as interference with an emergency telephone call. | ||
| Brogdon said Ryan was being, quote, dragged through the mud, and that those critical of him, quote, should not be casting the first stone. | ||
| The ironic part of that is that guy was arrested for dragging his wife through the mud. | ||
| See, I was hoping to find a police report so I could actually get the specifics of it or anything like that, but I wasn't able to find that. | ||
| Don't use that sort of language when you're talking about someone who beat his wife in front of his kid. | ||
| I'll just tell you right now, he is really punching up. | ||
| I will just tell you right now, this man here, he's... | ||
| Oh, he's tossing a baseball real hard at a person. | ||
| So also in 2015, Brogdon put in a five-month shift, and I'm going to call it a shift because it wasn't a tenure, as the Oklahoma Republican Party chairman, which ended in him resigning in what normal people might call disgrace. | ||
| The party became a little uncomfortable with him after he made a post on the official GOP Party Facebook account where he compared giving people food stamps to feeding animals in national parks. | ||
| Cool. | ||
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Cool. | |
| Cool, dude. | ||
| Cool. | ||
| This could possibly be written off as a little slip-up. | ||
| No, it could. | ||
| Were it not for the fact that during a debate about the Affordable Care Act, Brogdon, quote, asked the Black Caucus of Oklahoma state legislature... | ||
| This isn't going to end well. | ||
| ...if the health care mandate would also require people to eat fried chicken. | ||
| That's so racist, it's hilarious. | ||
| That's self-parody of racism. | ||
| It's confusingly racist. | ||
| It's so racist. | ||
| What are you doing? | ||
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What do you mean by that? | |
| That's nuts. | ||
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Is the SNAP program, does that function for Popeyes? | |
| Is that what he's asking? | ||
| You got watermelon in those school programs? | ||
| What are you doing? | ||
| So, I can't confirm this, but from the site I looked at that was going over this, apparently he refused to apologize for that, too. | ||
| Now. | ||
| Ballsy. | ||
| I'm on both the... | ||
| I'm on the don't apologize for it. | ||
| Because, come on, man. | ||
| You said it. | ||
| Don't apologize. | ||
| You still mean it. | ||
| You're not going to lose any traction with the people who already support you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So also in 2018, Brogdon reflected on how he had helped implement legislation that required women seeking abortions to be told that they could see ultrasounds and heart monitors of the fetus, in effect attempting to terrorize women into keeping unwanted pregnancies. | ||
| He lamented that this had not ended abortion in Oklahoma and repented for his sins and left the pro-life camp. | ||
| I'm guessing there's a turn here. | ||
| And then he became what he liked to call an abolitionist, seeking to completely outlaw abortion. | ||
| Perfect. | ||
| Love it. | ||
| Love it. | ||
| That's the twist. | ||
| So, yeah, he was like, when we were doing this pro-life stuff, what I realized is what we were really doing is trying to regulate abortion when I should just be saying, no women, you cannot. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Which is cool. | ||
| Great. | ||
| He should just be saying, no women. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Also, in April 2018, it came out that Randy Brogdon was the executive director of a super PAC called Citizens for Free States, which had funneled at least $24,000 into the gubernatorial campaign of a pastor named Dan Fisher. | ||
| It's too complicated to get into now, but suffice it to say, Fisher is also an abortion abolitionist and swore to make it his first order of business to outlaw all abortion and make any such services inaccessible to women in Oklahoma. | ||
| Sounds like he's probably dragged someone through the mud as well. | ||
| At his church, wearing a Continental Army uniform, which looks exactly... | ||
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These people are cartoons! | |
| It looks exactly as silly as it sounds, too. | ||
| I saw a couple pictures. | ||
| He's trying to bring back what he calls the Black Robe Regiment, which was a group of preachers in the Revolutionary War era who preached to their congregation that they should join the efforts against the British. | ||
| To that I say, again... | ||
| There's literally nothing stopping you from doing exactly that if you just pay your taxes. | ||
| So you could do that. | ||
| No problem. | ||
| It's weird how he can muster up $25,000 to give to a monster's campaign, but boy, paying taxes is hard, Dan. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Although it remains to be proven... | ||
| Given Brogdon and Fisher's connections, their shared fringe ideology, the fact that Brogdon endorsed Fisher when he ran for state representative in 2012, the fact that they're friends, it's unrealistic to think that they didn't coordinate a little on Fisher's gubernatorial run, which would be a very serious FEC violation. | ||
| Probably not worth looking into, though, since he only got 7.9% of the votes in the Republican primary and is out of the running. | ||
| What a waste of $24,000. | ||
| Ugh, never gonna get that $24,000 back. | ||
| I could use that $24,000. | ||
| Brogdon, hit up your boy! | ||
| Yeah, I'm sure he'd support our show. | ||
| So anyway, that's a little bit of fun about this wingding. | ||
| And I don't want to listen to most of his appearance because it's very similar to other Tenth Amendment dicks who he's had on. | ||
| And so I only have one clip here because it's fucking hilarious. | ||
| Alex is complaining more about Obama's speech and Brogdon says this. | ||
| Quite a scathing review of Obama's speech. | ||
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It was probably one of the most sophomoric speeches I've ever heard in my life, if you compare it to the Constitution, if you compare it to the founders of this great nation. | |
| All right. | ||
| So, like, what are we talking? | ||
| Grammar? | ||
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Hmm? | |
| If you compare it to the Constitution, this speech is sophomoric. | ||
| This speech is nothing compared to the founding document of our country. | ||
| Seems like you're setting the bar a little high. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| I'm going to be honest with you. | ||
| The Constitution? | ||
| A bit of a snooze. | ||
| Not a great read. | ||
| Not a great read. | ||
| Doesn't bring out the emotion. | ||
| Like the Declaration of Independence? | ||
| Maybe you can toss that in there. | ||
| That would have been a great speech. | ||
| But come on, man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Those amendments are boring. | ||
| They're a little dry. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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A little dry. | |
| Nothing much going on there. | ||
| No. | ||
| So, yeah, I just think that's really funny, though. | ||
| It's a sophomoric speech. | ||
| That's what you expect to hear from somebody? | ||
| And then when he's like, when you compare it to the Constitution, it's like, just stop. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Just stop. | ||
| All right. | ||
| What about when you compare it to an Oscar speech? | ||
| How about that? | ||
| Was it a pretty good one? | ||
| It's a push. | ||
| It's a push? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, after this, Alex has another guest on. | ||
| There's a guy named F. William Engdahl. | ||
| You ever heard of this gentleman? | ||
| No. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| No. | ||
| Pass. | ||
| Hard pass. | ||
| Not going to listen to too much of him, but... | ||
| Because he's sort of new to our scope, it bears getting into, who is this guy? | ||
| So F. William Engdahl is a political and economic writer, or at least that's how he would like to describe himself. | ||
| The rest of the world might use different terms, Jordan. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Engdahl has been published, dating back to at least 2014, by the New Eastern Outlook, the foreign propaganda front we encountered a couple episodes back, which is run by the Russian Academy of Sciences. | ||
| He's published almost exclusively anti-U.S. | ||
| stories and many that followed the exact line that Russia puts out about how they're the good guy in Ukraine, including this headline, quote, Soros as Kiev's central banker. | ||
| He even wrote an article in 2015 titled, quote, Why I wept at the Russian parade. | ||
| Here's an excerpt, quote, My tears at seeing the silent marchers and seeing Putin amid them was an unconscious reaction to what, on reflection, I realized was my very personal sense of recognition. | ||
| How remote from anything comparable in my own country, the United States of America, such a memorial march in peace and serenity would be today. | ||
| Oh boy. | ||
| Pretty indicative of his writing that I've read. | ||
| Not really a writer so much as a sycophant. | ||
| Very strongly in line with the Putin government stance on issues. | ||
| A lot of Ukraine stuff. | ||
| Even if I loved somebody, I'm not going to write like that about them. | ||
| But if they're paying you. | ||
| I mean, like late period Robert F. Kennedy, I'd still be like, meh. | ||
| How late? | ||
| It was a good speech. | ||
| Oh, a couple weeks ago. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, also, Engdahl's on the advisory board of Veterans Today, which is largely just a propaganda outpost, a one that notably reposts tons of articles from New Eastern Outlook, to the point where some have speculated that their partnership represented an intentional effort to indoctrinate the armed forces. | ||
| What? | ||
| Engdahl has also been a writer for Alexander Dugan's publication, Catehon, since at least 2016. | ||
| Perhaps more importantly, Engdahl works for the Center for Research on Globalization, a Canada-based think tank run by Mikhail Shosodovsky. | ||
| In 2017, the Center for Research on Globalization was specifically named by the NATO Strategic Communication Center, which is where their information warfare specialists work, as a website that served as, quote, a key accelerant role in helping popularize articles with little basis in fact that also happened to fit the narratives being pushed by the Kremlin. | ||
| They further described it as, quote, a link in the concerted effort to undermine the credibility of mainstream Western media, as well as the North American and European public's trust in government and public institutions. | ||
| Right. | ||
| This guy, F. William Ingdahl, his career is just a laundry list of working at conspiracy outlets and Russian propaganda depots. | ||
| In other words, he is a very normal Alex Jones guest. | ||
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Do you think he's like a... | |
| Like, listen, when you're a writer just starting out, it's tough to get a gig. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So maybe he just answered an ad or something like that. | ||
| Do you think he's just a jobber? | ||
| Like on Boris' list? | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| If somebody in the American government was like, hey, we'll give you, what do you want, a race? | ||
| Would he just jump over and be like, cool, America's the best now? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| I would assume not. | ||
| The fact that he cried at a military parade. | ||
| Yeah, but he didn't really cry. | ||
| Yeah, probably not. | ||
| Either that or his contacts were dry. | ||
| Yeah, it could be. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know enough about his early career to know at what point did this pivot happen. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I think probably, yeah, you could buy him. | ||
| Probably not now, though. | ||
| That's the thing. | ||
| A lot of these propagandists have made their bed. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It would be very difficult to buy a lot of them now because there's too much track that they've laid. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| That would be hard to undo. | ||
| You're right. | ||
| You'd have to have some sort of, like, a lot of money and a foundational moment that they could use to pivot the rhetoric. | ||
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Oh, yeah, yeah. | |
| That's what's so important. | ||
| But there's a redemption arc for everybody. | ||
| Right, but you still need to have some sort of... | ||
| He could have shown up at the comedy salary. | ||
| Could be. | ||
| Had a little speech about how Putin's not that great after all. | ||
| We welcome him back with open arms. | ||
| Did a solid 45. Goo. | ||
| So anyway, here is Alex talking to F. William Engdahl. | ||
| Alex gives a... | ||
| Stark prediction that did not come to pass. | ||
| And then Engdahl says something Alex shouldn't agree with. | ||
| Because I know a lot of big money. | ||
| And I know people that know a lot of big money. | ||
| I mean, billionaires that live in Austin and have houses in New York and other places. | ||
| They've all been leaving the last three years. | ||
| And, you know, from corporate lawyers and other people I know, you know, they're saying, quote, America won't exist by 2010, and so they're literally taking their billions and building armored compounds in the islands of the Caribbean and in the Cook Islands, and they're literally building bunkers. | ||
| I mean, what do they think they've done? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| At a certain point, there's no real place to hide. | ||
| You know, this affects everybody. | ||
| He can't live on another planet. | ||
| So what do they think they've done? | ||
| That they're evacuating? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I read you. | ||
| I think they realize that there are going to be some very, very angry citizens who are going to wake up and say, wait a minute. | ||
| How did the head of Citibank accumulate a billion dollars as president of a bank? | ||
| How haven't we done this by now? | ||
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How many fraudulent predatory loans did he push on the... | |
| People who couldn't even write their own name but were told they would get a dream house if they just put an X on a piece of paper. | ||
| Hey man, regulation boy! | ||
| Sounds like a good idea. | ||
| Either that or the other part of his speech, which is that we rise up and murder them in their redoubts. | ||
| All of the stuff that F. William Engdahl is saying there is the stuff that people I see much more on the left saying. | ||
| Yeah, no, I agree with everything you just said right there. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Except for the facts that they've built fortresses. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| I mean, I assume some of them have built fortresses. | ||
| And then, shitty prediction that the United States won't exist in, what, eight months, ten months from when he's recording? | ||
| Well, yeah, but there's a black president, so that was up in the air. | ||
| That was a 50-50 shot at that point. | ||
| That's fair. | ||
| That's fair. | ||
| From their viewpoint, I see where they're coming from. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| It's so disgusting to see, like, oh, that's probably coloring a lot of their opinions, especially on an episode where he has a state rep on who asked if fried chicken was going to be mandatory in the Affordable Care Act. | ||
| Yeah, it's almost like the Republican Party has always been this racist, but now they just feel emboldened or empowered to talk like they're racist all the time. | ||
| And you know what else, too? | ||
| Like, I think that everybody gave people way too, like, wide a berth. | ||
| Because you don't hear stories about, like, Randy Brogdon. | ||
| No. | ||
| Like, you don't hear anything about state representatives. | ||
| Unless you lived in Oklahoma, you might have heard that stuff. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| Like, there has to be... | ||
| Every single Alex Jones guest that he has, all these Tenth Amendment state reps and state senators that come on, you scratch a little bit beneath the surface, like, oh my god! | ||
| Racist. | ||
| What the fuck did you say? | ||
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| And I have to assume that you do that with... | ||
| The people who aren't on Alex's show, I bet there's a lot of them who have been just as awful. | ||
| Well, I mean, the Florida race for fucking, what is it? | ||
| It's governor. | ||
| No, it's not governor, is it? | ||
| The one that's going on now? | ||
| Yeah, between the mayor and the racist? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| That's going on. | ||
| That's a governor race, right? | ||
| That's a really fascinating thing for me, because this reminds me of shit that my dad and my family would say, where it's like, okay, well... | ||
| Would you vote for this guy? | ||
| He's clearly and obviously a racist. | ||
| They'd be like, no, I just wouldn't vote. | ||
| So it's like, oh, so you would passively allow him to be governor so you could wash your hands of it as opposed to actually stopping a Nazi from being elected. | ||
| Boy, there's some sort of corollary there. | ||
| It's almost like that kind of thinking contributed to the rise of the Nazis. | ||
| It's almost like there's that quotation that everybody on the right fetishizes. | ||
| It takes for evil to succeed in the world is good men doing nothing. | ||
| Yeah, that seems similar. | ||
| Yeah, it's crazy. | ||
| So you don't want a Nazi to be governor, but you don't... | ||
| I want to stop a Nazi from being governor. | ||
| That's a strange thought. | ||
| You don't want the Nazi to be governor, but... | ||
| But, why should there be a but? | ||
| Why is there a but? | ||
| Shouldn't there be a let's stop the Nazi from being the governor? | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Nah, but don't worry about it. | ||
| It's Florida. | ||
| I'm sure they'll make the right decision. | ||
| So, Jordan, we have one more clip from the 25th here. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And in it, I think Alex... | ||
| I don't think he realizes how much he could be talking to his future self. | ||
| I believe that he is very present about something that's going to happen to him. | ||
| This clip made me have to pause the episode when it happened, just to be like, I've got to absorb that shit. | ||
| So, enjoy. | ||
| And if the military and the police and the bureaucracy start talking about arresting people, and grand juries do, we can stop them, we can fix the bleeding. | ||
| But I know you're into a power trip and you've just got to be destroyed. | ||
| So, fine. | ||
| Just at least know you did it to yourself. | ||
| I mean, that's the most important thing here, is that in the end, you repent of what you've done. | ||
| That's what life's all about. | ||
| You've been suckered by the New World Order, sold by their mind control experts, servants of evil out there, and you think you're part of the pet puppies, the chosen ones that will be protected. | ||
| You're not, and you're going to have to experience this now. | ||
| And good people, even though we fought against it, we're going to have to experience it too. | ||
| This is the bankers having their way with us. | ||
| We're going to come back and take calls here in just a moment. | ||
| I did want to take some time out to thank our sponsors like eFoodsDirect.com. | ||
| Like me, good eFoodsDirect. | ||
| Proto-ed pivot. | ||
| The idea of, like, when everything goes wrong, just know you did this to yourself. | ||
| That's something I would say to Alex right now. | ||
| No, yeah. | ||
| The circumstances that he finds himself in. | ||
| I'm like, hey, Alex. | ||
| You did this to yourself. | ||
| That was jarring. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| That was very jarring. | ||
| Not least of which to the part where he's like, you think you're one of the protected ones. | ||
| You think Trump is going to stop you from getting kicked off Facebook. | ||
| You think Trump is going to do shit? | ||
| He could be more specific about this. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, everything. | ||
| You've been suckered in by this globalist brainwashing. | ||
| Just replace the propaganda narratives that have been fed to him over his life about the globalists. | ||
| And the bankers are getting what they want, and you have been conned. | ||
| Yeah, and you're complicit. | ||
| To a certain extent. | ||
| So, Alex, all I ask is that you take your own advice and repent. | ||
| Because that is what life is all about. | ||
| Anyway. | ||
| I don't think that's what it's all about. | ||
| No, it's about the hokey pokey. | ||
| Turn yourself around. | ||
| Oh, I thought it was bounce houses. | ||
| No, bounce houses are great, though. | ||
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| I think I'm too big for them, though. | ||
| Makes me sad. | ||
| I need a huge one. | ||
| Anyway, let's move on. | ||
| Jordan, let's move. | ||
| We need 30 more policy walks, and then we can rent Dan the biggest bounce house you've ever seen. | ||
| Stretch goal! | ||
| So, Jordan, we're moving on to the 26th of February here, and we're going to enter a little bit of an Oklahoma City situation here, but this next clip is one of the things that I have something very specific to say on the other side of this. | ||
| And I just think it's a stupid clip. | ||
| But it's stupider for another reason. | ||
| And I'll get to that in a second. | ||
| Majority of U.S. states joined sovereignty movement, assert 10th Amendment rights. | ||
| Now, the last time 14 states passed this in 94-95, the feds bombed Oklahoma City, and it's an absolute fact they did. | ||
| An absolute fact they blew that building. | ||
| And guess who was Deputy Attorney General at the time? | ||
| Eric Holder. | ||
| So he's heavily trying to imply that Eric Holder did Oklahoma City. | ||
| Yeah, that sounds right. | ||
| I buy it. | ||
| And so all I can say to that is, no. | ||
| I will take the contrary position, and it's up to him to prove it. | ||
| These specific things, when we have these narratives and these overarching things that Alex talks about, be it Oklahoma City or 9-11, He'll just say, ah, it's a false flag. | ||
| In this case, they blew up the building. | ||
| Eric Holder is complicit in it. | ||
| He was involved. | ||
| I can't do anything with that. | ||
| I can only do something with specific pieces that he's going to bring out. | ||
| And so I'm not going to sit here and go through literally every piece of information that could be involved in Alex's possible conspiracy theory about Oklahoma City. | ||
| I can't debunk this nonsense. | ||
| Did you see that on that day, Eric Holder was photographed walking out of the Oklahoma City building? | ||
| Someone else was seen there. | ||
| Yeah, but okay, then let's add this other bit of evidence there, and it doesn't necessarily correlate, but did you see that Eric Holder was walking out of the book depository on a I heard about that. | ||
| I heard about that. | ||
| Look, I mean, that's an intrinsic problem for me. | ||
| Did you see that he was walking out of the opera house? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| He's a time-traveling murderer, is what I'm saying. | ||
| Yeah, he was hobbling, too, from jumping off from there. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| So, look, the only reason I bring this up is, like, I love trying to find out what he's talking about and where he's lying. | ||
| And when things like this happen, it leads me on wild goose chases. | ||
| Because I end up trying to look into what he's talking about, and I find like, oh, maybe this is it. | ||
| And then I go down this path, and I'm like, this is nonsense. | ||
| But what if it's not what he's talking about? | ||
| So then I'm like, well, let's see if there's other possibilities. | ||
| And then I end up spending seven hours reading bullshit that has nothing to do with what he may or may not be talking about. | ||
| So we had that one time that he talked about Oklahoma City. | ||
| He talked about Terrence Yakey, the police officer who ended up committing suicide from survivor's grief and all that. | ||
| Or was he murdered by Eric Holder? | ||
| Could have been. | ||
| So I was able to dig into that, and we were able to talk about that because that's a specific he uses. | ||
| In this case, just implying that Eric Holder... | ||
| I love that rhetorical technique as well. | ||
| Like, it's a guarantee that the government bombed that city. | ||
| It was the government. | ||
| We can prove it. | ||
| And you know who was the librarian at the time? | ||
| Totally. | ||
| It's as good of a theory. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Anybody who might have been in office is involved. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Weak shit. | ||
| So, the other thing I need to bring up is that I did a disservice to our audience. | ||
| And I only realized it after going down all these fucking stupid roads. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So, on our episode that we talked about with Anders Breivik, I mentioned that Alex had a DHS report that they were concerned that more white people could be terrorists. | ||
| Right. | ||
| This is an unfortunate instance where I took Alex at his word. | ||
| Oh, they didn't even have that report? | ||
| I didn't look into what he was talking about, and I have since found out what he's talking about. | ||
| What Alex is talking about is not a report by the Department of Homeland Security. | ||
| It is a PSA that they put out, or a video that they put out, that has a bunch of people who are presented as terrorists advising people, you know, hey, keep your eyes open. | ||
| You know, there's things afoot. | ||
| You know, there's a dangerous world. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We could use your help in terms of being eyes and ears, which I'm slightly uncomfortable with, but I understand why a society would be like, hey, it's either this or I don't know what we do. | ||
| If you see something white, say something white. | ||
| But here's the thing. | ||
| They aren't saying that white people are terrorists. | ||
| I am. | ||
| Alex watched that video, and he thought, huh, too many white people being presented as terrorists in this video. | ||
| It's not that they... | ||
| Commissioned a report or anything. | ||
| Nobody did a shit ton of research. | ||
| There's no statistical... | ||
| The only thing he's going off of is a video that he watched where he thought on his own subjective basis that there were too many white people being presented as terrorists. | ||
| And he doesn't agree with that. | ||
| So, it made me realize that a lot of these times when Alex is bringing up a kernel of evidence, I end up chasing it. | ||
| And it doesn't exist. | ||
| It's in his head. | ||
| It's just his subjective experience of the world is like... | ||
| The DHS is saying that white people are terrorists. | ||
| You think that because of your experience of watching this video. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I can't do anything with that. | ||
| It's like when, what was it? | ||
| Was it maybe like Laura Bush? | ||
| They put out that, like, shit, now I can't remember it specifically, but it's this thing that is like anti-pornography, and it was like, oh, you see women wearing these skirts, and they're like 16, and you're like, nobody's... | ||
| Sexualizing that. | ||
| But you. | ||
| You're the one who's doing that. | ||
| You realize that. | ||
| So nobody is insisting that these people are saying that all whites are terrorists other than Alex, who's like, well, yeah, I mean, all whites are terrorists. | ||
| So I got to fight against that thought. | ||
| He's appealing to the authority of his own experience of watching that video. | ||
| And that's a really troubling thing that I realized about this world that we're studying. | ||
| Because, man, I can't study that. | ||
| You know? | ||
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Right. | |
| I can't study how he experiences things until he reveals on the show that that's what he's talking about. | ||
| Right. | ||
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And so, it's just, it's weird. | |
| It's really weird to have this two years in, this colonel that I probably should have considered long ago, the idea that, like, huh, a lot of his primary sources might be him really just ramping up something he thought. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that's... | ||
| Not good. | ||
| What's even more concerning is that the reason that neither of us were even considering looking into it is because we were both immediately like, oh yeah, that report exists. | ||
| I could see it. | ||
| Yeah, even if that report doesn't exist, it probably should. | ||
| I could see it. | ||
| Yeah, the reason I never felt the interest in looking into it specifically is that like... | ||
| On a gut level, I kind of just assumed, well, yeah, it makes sense. | ||
| Even if you just consider the idea of the rising right-wing tide, the militias, the patriot movement, and then you fold into that environmental terrorism, which is a big issue, and largely white people. | ||
| So if you include those two things... | ||
| It would make sense for people who were trying to keep an eye out for terrorism to warn or to put out some sort of statement or paper, white paper, that said something like that. | ||
| It would make sense. | ||
| When I hear Alex say something like that, I don't think, oh, this is your experience of watching a video. | ||
| I assume you're misrepresenting something that probably exists. | ||
| And it's always been so secondary to things that we're talking about that I've never saw fit to actually like... | ||
| Buckle down, find the document. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And now I realize I couldn't find that document if I wanted to, based on his rhetoric. | ||
| It's just in his head. | ||
| Well, the other thing that makes it obvious is there are just more white people. | ||
| True. | ||
| Like, statistically, if you go by demographics, it's like whether or not the ratio is correct. | ||
| There are a lot of murders in Chicago, but statistically, that's because there's a fuckton of people in Chicago. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know, like that kind of simple argument. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Who's most likely to kidnap a child? | ||
| It's the person that's known, because they know you, you know, because they're around all the time. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like, it's a simple statistical argument. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| I buy it. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So, that's all to say, I can't do shit. | ||
| With him saying that they blew up Oklahoma City. | ||
| I could sit here and give you all the evidence of all of the time-stamped bills of Timothy McVeigh buying all the materials and stuff like that, but go watch a fucking documentary or look into it. | ||
| Because everything I could tell you enforces and re-strengthens basically the main narrative of the Oklahoma City story. | ||
| I think that there have been grand juries that have looked into it. | ||
| There have been investigations into it. | ||
| Every piece of stuff that is like, well, what about this, is flimsy. | ||
| Everything is circumstantial. | ||
| There's not much to it. | ||
| So I don't want to sit here and tell you – like read six pages of fucking text where I just tell you, here's exactly what happened. | ||
| But that went through the legal system, Dan. | ||
| And do you know who is deputy? | ||
| Globalists. | ||
| Globalists. | ||
| No, it was Eric Holder. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So I can't do shit with that. | ||
| We'll see if he eventually comes up with a specific that we can look into. | ||
| I don't know if he will. | ||
| Maybe he will. | ||
| Maybe he won't. | ||
| But before we get into any of that, Alex wants to talk about how much he loves guns, and if you don't, you are basically a house slave. | ||
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Oh! | |
| Oh, buddy. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| You know who hates guns? | ||
| People who like fried chicken. | ||
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Christ. | |
| A citizen sees cops in paramilitary black masks with submachine guns and they go, oh, I felt so safe. | ||
| Oh, yes. | ||
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Oh, oh. | |
| That's vaguely racist. | ||
| But they see another slave with a gun. | ||
| They're like, you're a slave. | ||
| You're not supposed to have a weapon. | ||
| And just like black house slaves in the United States 200 years ago. | ||
| If they saw a slave with even a knife or a mallet or a hickory stick or any type of weapon, they would run in and say, the slave, the slave's got a weapon. | ||
| The slave, the slave's got a weapon. | ||
| You are gelded. | ||
| You are domesticated. | ||
| You are cowardly. | ||
| You will be usurped. | ||
| You will be enslaved. | ||
| You will be robbed. | ||
| You'll be nailed to the wall until you actually grow up and be men and women out there. | ||
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Every day I see articles. | |
| Where a woman calls 911. | ||
| I saw one just this weekend where a woman called 911. | ||
| It took the police 15 minutes to get there, and by the time they got there, she was murdered. | ||
| I mean, somebody starts busting in my house. | ||
| My wife just goes to the instant access pistol safe that's in three rooms. | ||
| She has the revolver in seconds, and she just relaxes calmly, points at the center of mass, and opens fire until the firearm's discharged. | ||
| That's not good. | ||
| No, and he was married to Kelly at this point. | ||
| I'm not sure that Kelly would be... | ||
| Based on everything I've gleaned from her, I don't think that she would be chill about shooting somebody as Alex is presenting. | ||
| It doesn't seem like she's exactly the same sort of like, oh yeah, I'm just going to calmly aim at the center of mass and discharge. | ||
| That's fucked up. | ||
| Even more fucked up, listen to how Alex explains what he would do when an intruder comes. | ||
| Oh no, I don't want to know! | ||
| Somebody starts coming to my house. | ||
| I just call me like a robot. | ||
| Go get the firearm. | ||
| That's how you got to do it. | ||
| Just relax. | ||
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Take a deep breath and just open fire. | |
| Open fire. | ||
| He's doing that voice, that voice that he does. | ||
| I don't like any of this. | ||
| Like a robot, I dissociate and grab a gun. | ||
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See, here's a big issue with gun control. | |
| I don't like how people who have guns think. | ||
| No. | ||
| That's not good. | ||
| That's a bad way to think about life. | ||
| It's not all of the people who have guns, but it seems like it's pretty consistent within people who love guns. | ||
| You know, that sort of... | ||
| The idea that he's saying... | ||
| I want a reason to use my gun to kill a person. | ||
| That's problematic. | ||
| I just want a reason. | ||
| Just give me a reason to kill a human! | ||
| That's troubling. | ||
| But then even, like... | ||
| Like a robot, I grab a gun. | ||
| That sort of description to me is like... | ||
| Don't grab that gun, robot. | ||
| Yeah, no, no, no, it's fine. | ||
| Like someone who no longer has empathy for other human beings, I grab a gun and intentionally try to kill them. | ||
| I dissociate. | ||
| You know, like a good person. | ||
| And definitely not at all like what I imagine a serial killer does. | ||
| Beep, bop, boop. | ||
| Boom, boom, boom. | ||
| I think a robot would actually be more safe with a gun. | ||
| Yeah, probably. | ||
| Robocop didn't even kill that one lady. | ||
| He shot her through the skirt and hit that guy in the dick. | ||
| Robocop had good aim. | ||
| He doesn't aim for center mass, I'll tell you that right now. | ||
| Jordan, this next clip starts literally right after Alex said, like a robot, I grab a gun and aim. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| This clip is super fucked up. | ||
| Yeah, I'm shocked. | ||
| I'm shocked that after he said that he is fine with killing a human being, he then says something fucked up. | ||
| But it's not even, like, really connected, I don't think. | ||
| It's a jarring jump that he's making. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| You know, that woman with that chimpanzee, that 200-pounder, you know, 100-pound chimp is as strong as a 500-pound man in shape. | ||
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What? | |
| What does that even look like? | ||
| 200-pounder, that means it had the strength of a 1,000-pound man with 2% body fat. | ||
| That's not how that works. | ||
| Ripped her nose off, ripped her eyes out, ripped her face off. | ||
| Of course, it was on psychotropic, always. | ||
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What? | |
| No, it's totally normal. | ||
| You can't even have them after, like, five or something. | ||
| Delusions. | ||
| No pills for monkeys. | ||
| That's a good idea, though. | ||
| Every mass shooter we've seen has been on it. | ||
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Every case has been on it. | |
| I've talked to a lot of police when they pull up at a house in Houston or whatever, and a naked woman's dancing on the roof, slicing her breast off with butcher knives, or a woman cuts her baby's arms off or drives her kids into the water. | ||
| They're always on it. | ||
| Always. | ||
| Because it's a hallucinogen. | ||
| And yeah, you may have two or three years of good trips, folks. | ||
| Putting you in a dream, but you're going to have that bad trip, and then it floods your brain and triggers through the serotonin reuptake inhibitor system. | ||
| Huge imbalances and then aggression hormones flood the brain. | ||
| Well, I would say you're being really unfair and really very closed-minded. | ||
| I'm going to go with nonsensical as well. | ||
| Yeah, I don't think that it wants to... | ||
| If you're coming in with, like, it... | ||
| It affects the serotonin re-up inhibitor system. | ||
| It's like, well, that's the class of drugs. | ||
| It's the serotonin. | ||
| Apple invented that, right? | ||
| That's Suri? | ||
| Serotonin re-up inhibitors are the drugs, not a part of your brain. | ||
| So he's just grasping at straws trying to demonize the idea of psych meds and shit like that, which is super evil. | ||
| It's really bad. | ||
| I mean, it's really smart if you're a person with paranoid schizophrenia who is terrified of getting any kind of medication for it. | ||
| I only know that I'm famous because I'm unmedicated. | ||
| That's kind of true. | ||
| If I took care of myself, I would not believe in these apparitions I call globalists. | ||
| It's probably true. | ||
| Yeah, probably. | ||
| And he has to know on some... | ||
| I don't know if he knows on an active level, but he must know on some level that if he advocated well-being for his listeners and advocated for them seeking the help that they actually needed, they would often drift from him. | ||
| Oh, yeah, of course. | ||
| They would feel better about life. | ||
| They would understand, oh, I shouldn't listen to this guy who's just trying to make me scared all the time. | ||
| There's nobody people who go off their meds love more than somebody who doesn't take meds. | ||
| That's kind of a running theme with our kind. | ||
| Manic demagoguery is very attractive to people who are unmedicated, who need medication. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Not everybody does. | ||
| Just because we're so pro-medication, let's say, I think it behooves us to say, not everybody needs it, but a lot of people do. | ||
| Yeah, sure. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm fine with that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't believe in a world where everyone must be diagnosed and put on a regimen, but I do believe that everyone should take care of themselves. | ||
| That's probably a good idea. | ||
| That's why we don't have as many listeners as he does. | ||
| Yeah, probably. | ||
| Well, we do now. | ||
| And because we don't do shit like this. | ||
| We don't do shit like this where he scares people with terrible predictions. | ||
| If just the listeners of this show would take my films and make 100 copies apiece of Road to Tyranny or Terror Storm or the Obama Deception. | ||
| And give those to others with a note saying, hey, please make copies and pay this forward. | ||
| Pass this on. | ||
| We would bring these people down. | ||
| But we've only, I think, got six months to a year before they stage another huge terror attack. | ||
| We are in a race. | ||
| So, six months. | ||
| He already said America's probably not going to exist in 2010, which again, ten months from now. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Six months, maybe a year from now, we got another big one coming. | ||
| Didn't happen. | ||
| So... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I would say his gut assessment of stuff is pretty terrible. | ||
| It's usually wrong. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's not great. | ||
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| He should probably not trust his gut anymore. | ||
| No, he should probably get on Activia or some of those probiotic yogurts. | ||
| Is that a good idea? | ||
| Clean up the gut. | ||
| I'm going to go with a lot of the health benefits to those are over-exaggerated, Dan. | ||
| Yeah, you need that good bacteria. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Love it. | ||
| Take probiotics! | ||
| It fights antibiotics! | ||
| I used to drink that liquid yogurt from Danon. | ||
| Gogurt? | ||
| No, it was called Danactive. | ||
| Danactive? | ||
| You can't help but drink that. | ||
| I made a big deal. | ||
| It was made for you! | ||
| I made a big deal out of like, this is me, active. | ||
| Drink a little yogurt shot. | ||
| That is terrible. | ||
| Yeah, it was pretty bad. | ||
| That sounds disgusting. | ||
| I was in college just having fun. | ||
| So... | ||
| Is that most people's story? | ||
| Yeah, my freshman year, dude. | ||
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I just went all in on the drinkable yogurt. | |
| It happened to have my name in it. | ||
| I was so desperate for a personality, I latched on to tan active yogurt. | ||
| Yeah, something like that. | ||
| That's a regular college experience. | ||
| But in college, I learned a lot from textbooks, as I did in elementary school, junior high, high school. | ||
| But I would like to point out that Alex has a different version of the world. | ||
| You've used textbooks a little bit differently. | ||
| In the last six months, we've posted, I think, three different textbooks that are being used in middle school and high school with the names, with the blow-ups, saying world government, the bankers will rule you, they know best, Second Amendment is evil. | ||
| Carbon taxes are wonderful. | ||
| And so just Google textbook covers New World Order or textbook covers chemtrails. | ||
| There's a bunch of textbooks they teach high school students. | ||
| The government is spraying an aerosol in the air to form clouds to protect you from solar radiation because the ozone layer is dead. | ||
| That doesn't sound right. | ||
| So see, for the children... | ||
| Time Magazine for Kids, that they give out free in most public schools, has said in two issues that we know of, your parents are backwards. | ||
| It literally says in foolish, they don't know the future and how great it is to get a chip, but you're trendy and awesome. | ||
| I mean, sir, it is like a science fiction nightmare dystopia. | ||
| I had to cut this clip off, but after this, Alex gets into highlights for kids. | ||
| Highlights for kids? | ||
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They pull this dichotomy between Goofus and Gallant, and I'm saying they're the same guy. | |
| What? | ||
| No, he doesn't. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| But he might as well. | ||
| That sounds very close to reality. | ||
| Might as fucking well. | ||
| Except for the Goofus and Gallant reference, now that I think about it. | ||
| There's no way that he's on that tip. | ||
| I was like, why are they complaining about Goofus? | ||
| He seems pretty cool. | ||
| Look, the issue that I have with this, as a plan by the globalists, is like, if you're trying to change the minds of kids... | ||
| Textbooks and Time Magazine for Children. | ||
| I didn't know there was a Time Magazine for Children. | ||
| I don't know if there is either. | ||
| I didn't fact check that. | ||
| But that's not the way to do it. | ||
| Because they don't give a shit. | ||
| They want to run around to the park. | ||
| Who's the Time Magazine for Children man of the year? | ||
| Or person of the year? | ||
| Boy of the year. | ||
| Probably, because it was sexist magazine. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| Only since 1999 have they had child person of the year. | ||
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As opposed to boy of the year. | |
| I don't know. | ||
| It was always Richie Cunningham. | ||
| It was always real. | ||
| LAUGHTER Ha ha ha. | ||
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Ha ha ha. | |
| Ha ha ha. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Couldn't come up with Ron Howard's character from Andy Griffith. | ||
| I tried. | ||
| I tried. | ||
| I couldn't come up with it. | ||
| No, I'm not pulling that. | ||
| That isn't happening. | ||
| That's the best I got. | ||
| That's all you got? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| What was the name of the drunk? | ||
| Is it Otis, the town drunk? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Alright. | ||
| Wait, there was a town drunk in that? | ||
| Yeah, Andy Griffith. | ||
| Wasn't that like a family show? | ||
| Yeah, but one of the main characters was a town drunk. | ||
| Was just a town drunk? | ||
| Yeah, he was always sleeping it off in lockup. | ||
| Because Andy Griffith was the town sheriff. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| Yeah, there was the lovable town drunk who was always... | ||
| That seems really odd now, in retrospect. | ||
| Well, it's because back then the character... | ||
| There was the barber, there was the sheriff, there was the boy, and then, oh, of course, the lovable town drunk who's always in prison? | ||
| Well, jail. | ||
| I apologize. | ||
| He's in county. | ||
| He's in lockup. | ||
| For the night. | ||
| He's sleeping it off. | ||
| Why don't they get him into a program? | ||
| They're enablers. | ||
| Andy Griffith is a bad guy in this show. | ||
| They didn't know about Bill W. in Mayberry. | ||
| Don't come down on them. | ||
| They didn't have a program. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| Now that I realize how irresponsible Andy Griffith was as a sheriff, this is a problem. | ||
| There was no fucking way there was an AA meeting in Mayberry. | ||
| The town population was miniscule. | ||
| There's somewhere to go. | ||
| There's some sort of rehab program. | ||
| Guy's drunk all the time. | ||
| He can't drive. | ||
| Rehab? | ||
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Please. | |
| It is crazy. | ||
| Recidivism is a real problem. | ||
| It is wild that that is part of the show. | ||
| That is crazy. | ||
| Back then, so much of the depiction of drunks would be like winos and stuff like that. | ||
| It was almost... | ||
| Meh, who cares? | ||
| Kind of depiction of alcoholism. | ||
| But the best depiction of that time was always the drunk who's on the sidewalk just holding a brown bag and then something crazy happens and he turns and looks at it and he's like... | ||
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Boo! | |
| He throws away the booze. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| See, that's the problem with the Andy Griffith show. | ||
| There should have been a surreal event that happened, and they never would have had to worry about it again. | ||
| I'm sure it happened all the time. | ||
| Because that was like a classic comedy beat that used to happen in so many shows. | ||
| It would be like, the wino takes a swig, something fucking up happens, he throws the box. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It happened all the fucking time. | ||
| It's perfect. | ||
| Back then, they would just reuse gags on every fucking show. | ||
| It's crazy how... | ||
| Everyone just stole all this shit. | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| Let's... | ||
| Fair enough, they still do. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But, anyway. | ||
| Haven't you ever seen The Good Wife? | ||
| I don't know why that... | ||
| That was a weird poll. | ||
| Not positive why we went down this road, based on the clips, but... | ||
| Eh, winos and shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So anyway... | ||
| How did we get to the Antigrap? | ||
| Time Magazine for Kids and textbooks aren't trying to indoctrinate your children. | ||
| They're probably not reading them. | ||
| And also, Time Magazine for Kids probably doesn't exist. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| So now, we know. | ||
| Alex Jones has one politician and one politician only that he is in love with. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| That is Ron Paul. | ||
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Right. | |
| And a caller calls in and he's like, why isn't he clowning and dunking on these globalists? | ||
| Alex has an interesting answer. | ||
| And then I have something really fun to talk about. | ||
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What I want to see from Ron Paul next time he has Bernanke, I mentioned this before. | |
| Why can't he just start embarrassing these people? | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| The main reason why the American people are still listening to the globalists is because the globalists still have this aura of legitimacy. | ||
| Yeah, we have to call them out as criminals that need to be arrested, like the state senator did yesterday. | ||
| And Ron Paul, love him to death, and I've told him this privately. | ||
| He is just too much of a gentleman, too much of a nice guy. | ||
| They attacked him in the media. | ||
| I think if he'd have been more aggressive and more hardcore, that he would have had a better chance of winning. | ||
| No. | ||
| No. | ||
| He would not have won. | ||
| No. | ||
| Now, it's really funny that Alex is alleging that Ron Paul is too much of a gentleman to call out the globalists when you sit back and reflect on his career. | ||
| We've already discussed his very definitely self-authored and very definitely racist newsletter. | ||
| But I want to tell you, Jordan, today, I want to tell you a little story about something even more exciting that Ron Paul may have been up to in the 1980s. | ||
| Alright. | ||
| So, Jordan, this story is something you have never heard, I'm certain. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| This is one of the greatest things I think I've ever read. | ||
| Nah, it's not true. | ||
| But it's great. | ||
| Okay. | ||
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Alright. | |
| On April 27th, 1981, Don Black, a white supremacist who would later create Stormfront... | ||
| No! | ||
| No, boo! | ||
| Pass! | ||
| A man named Black is creating a white supremacist? | ||
| No, boo! | ||
| There's a certain irony there. | ||
| Pass! | ||
| The man who would later create Stormfront was arrested along with nine other men who were suspiciously all gathered around a boat full of so many guns, a bunch of dynamite, and a Nazi flag. | ||
| As it turns out, these men had planned to meet up with a hastily thrown together militia and overthrow the government of the island nation Dominica in hopes of setting up a white supremacist utopian state. | ||
| What? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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What? | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Wait, the guy who created just a regular old racist website previously. | ||
| That is no regularly racist website. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| It's way up there. | ||
| Premier white supremacist. | ||
| Perhaps one of the best. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I hate saying that. | ||
| No, that's a weird way to look at it. | ||
| I shouldn't call it the best of anything. | ||
| That's the marquee. | ||
| That's the Broadway of white supremacist sites. | ||
| So, yeah. | ||
| So, originally, he had a plan to perform a coup? | ||
| You bet it. | ||
| And take over... | ||
| Dominica. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| In 1981, with nine other dudes. | ||
| With nine guys? | ||
| Boy, white supremacists really think highly of themselves. | ||
| You gotta be surprised by that. | ||
| I can't stress this enough. | ||
| It was these nine dudes, they were going to get on this boat and then meet up with a hastily thrown together militia. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| So there was a quote-unquote army that they were going to meet up with. | ||
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Sure. | |
| So it wasn't just the nine of them that were going to perform the coup. | ||
| It was them plus a weirdo group. | ||
| And six of those guys were Ron Paul, right? | ||
| We're going to get to that. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So, the plane was fucked from the jump. | ||
| Though they had originally secured a captain to take them to Dominica, he and his crew would back out in February of 1981, just two months before the planned coup. | ||
| One of the co-conspirators, Klan member Mike Perdue, found a new captain and told him that they needed his service. | ||
| Sure, smart. | ||
| Ha ha ha ha! | ||
| I imagine he put down the phone and then immediately picked it back up and he's like, hold on, nah, nah, nah, you guys gotta see this shit. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| So they put these countermeasures into action, at which point the man who the conspirators plan to install as the new prime minister in Dominica, a guy named Patrick Johns, was arrested in Dominica. | ||
| Though the jig was up and their man was arrested, for some reason, Mike Perdue wanted to power on and keep trying to get the mission done. | ||
| Whites sure do think a lot of themselves. | ||
| So naturally, the ATF planted some men in Howell's crew, and there were police waiting at the marina to arrest everyone on the day of the planned departure. | ||
| Also naturally, once Mike Perdue got arrested, he started squealing on everyone involved. | ||
| He started trying to cut a deal. | ||
| So, Purdue would go on to testify that both David Duke and Ron Paul were both personally aware of the plans, as was the then-governor of Texas, John Connolly. | ||
| What? | ||
| He implicated three men as financiers of the adventure, one of whom, J.W. Kirkpatrick, committed suicide before he was due to appear in court. | ||
| Smart. | ||
| Don Black, as mentioned, would go on to create Stormfront. | ||
| He would also go on to aggressively campaign for Ron Paul any time he was up for election, particularly by using Stormfront to sway the white supremacist neo-Nazi vote in his direction. | ||
| David Duke would also be a very loud supporter of Ron Paul's presidential efforts and has referred to Ron Paul as, quote, our king. | ||
| Though he never made a statement on it and the judge declined to subpoena Ron Paul in the conspirators' trial, I would bet just about anything that I own that Ron Paul was absolutely aware of the plot to overthrow Dominica and may have been involved in some way. | ||
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There's so many people who are connected to him who were involved with this plot. | |
| The guy definitely, when he turned state's evidence, was like, yeah, Ron Paul knew about this. | ||
| And the other people that he said were involved, one of them killed himself. | ||
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Right. | |
| Well, that's proof that he wasn't involved. | ||
| The other two financiers who were named, they had their cases thrown out just because they didn't have enough evidence, but probably were involved. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then the judge refused to subpoena Ron Paul, who was a sitting congressman at the time. | ||
| It really feels like you should have subpoenaed Ron Paul. | ||
| And then John Connolly was the fucking governor of Texas. | ||
| Suspiciously, the conspirators, who ended up being found guilty or pleading guilty, ended up only getting three years in court. | ||
| Wonder why. | ||
| It really... | ||
| I really feel like planning and attempting to commit a coup should get more than three years. | ||
| Well, the guy who they were going to install as prime minister got more, but that's because he was caught early. | ||
| So, are you telling me that I could charter a plane with, let's say, what do they got? | ||
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Maybe, max, 60 guys. | |
| And just fill that plane with guns. | ||
| And then just fly to Iran and be like, we're going to take over this bitch. | ||
| Iran's probably too big. | ||
| You'd have to go with something like... | ||
| What do you mean, Iran? | ||
| Anywhere's too big for 60 guys to commit a coup unless they already live there and are in the government. | ||
| Dominica's pretty small. | ||
| 60 guys, though? | ||
| Yeah, that's tough. | ||
| You couldn't even commit a coup of, like, Champaign, Illinois with 60 guys. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| There's a, yeah. | ||
| Look, I don't want to talk about the logistics of it as much as I want to talk about it. | ||
| I do want to talk about the logistics of it. | ||
| It was a stupid fucking plan. | ||
| Was there, was nobody there just like, guys, this is a really bad idea. | ||
| Well, the boat captain that they tried to enlist was. | ||
| Yeah, well, he was smart. | ||
| He's like, uh, no. | ||
| I'm gonna call the ATF on your asses. | ||
| It's like, it's the sort of thing that I think you could make a really good, like, Dark comedy about. | ||
| Like a dark Ocean's Eleven type comedy about? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Because the story is hilarious. | ||
| No, it's like the... | ||
| But the idea that Ron Paul has never said, I was not involved in that. | ||
| He's never made a statement about it. | ||
| And these people are very clearly saying, he was. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
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Yeah, but if you are Ron Paul, what's the win there? | |
| Well, then you have a white supremacist state that you secretly were involved in helping out. | ||
| Well, somebody's going to ask a question about how a white supremacist state took over Dominica. | ||
| Sooner or later, somebody's going to be like, hey! | ||
| But if Ron Paul keeps his hands clean, he'll have people like Don Black and people like these Klan members who were involved spreading the word on the low. | ||
| In a way that's not provable in court that he was part of it. | ||
| Hey, he's our king. | ||
| He's backing us up. | ||
| He can't put that rhetoric out into public because if he does, he'll be publicly disqualified from ever being in office. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It really does serve his interest. | ||
| There's going to be a paper trail of some sort. | ||
| It's like with that... | ||
| Not in 1981. | ||
| Well, that's true. | ||
| I mean, it's like... | ||
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What are you going to do? | |
| They still have bank transactions and everything. | ||
| But he wasn't one of the financiers, necessarily. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Well, but that's what... | ||
| And you can get around that with fucking money orders, untraceable money orders and cash. | ||
| Yeah, but these guys are dumb. | ||
| Like with Manafort. | ||
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They are dumb. | |
| Like with Manafort, there's definitely that, like, the worst thing that happened to Manafort was Trump won, because otherwise nobody would have looked into it. | ||
| I think Ukraine might have. | ||
| Well, yeah, but they don't... | ||
| They're not going to extradite him. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But look, dude, Ron Paul was probably involved in this. | ||
| Yeah, almost certainly. | ||
| No way to necessarily prove it, but in the gut. | ||
| Tells me, Ron Paul tried to overthrow Dominica. | ||
| What's weird is that in four years, Ron Paul will be elected president of Dominica. | ||
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No. | |
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Or at the least, president of Champaign, Illinois. | ||
| Perhaps. | ||
| As long as he's got 59 other dudes. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So, at this point, Alex has Representative Charles Key on the show. | ||
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Yes. | |
| Who's a... | ||
| Great, great, great grandson of F. Scott Key. | ||
| Francis Scott Key. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| The guy who wrote the National Anthem. | ||
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Indeed. | |
| Which is definitely not racist at all. | ||
| Let's pretend he is. | ||
| Yeah, that sounds fun. | ||
| Also, second cousin to Alan Keyes. | ||
| Why not? | ||
| Yeah, that sounds great. | ||
| So, third cousin to Alan Watt. | ||
| Why not? | ||
| Not Watts. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| So, Alex has him on. | ||
| He is a state representative from Oklahoma. | ||
| And he's been on before, so we've talked about his past a little bit. | ||
| We don't need to do a deep dive on him. | ||
| But they talk about the Oklahoma City bombing. | ||
| And this is sort of... | ||
| Charles Key's bread and butter. | ||
| He's been an Oklahoma City conspiracy theorist since 1995. | ||
| And here's what they say. | ||
| This is a really nasty character. | ||
| This is Eric Holder. | ||
| Well, we can fix these problems in this country. | ||
| There's so many examples. | ||
| And Oklahoma City bombing cases are very good ones. | ||
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Thank God for Jesse Trinidad and people like him. | |
| Yes, thank God for that. | ||
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They won't let go and they keep fighting this thing and dig more and more evidence out. | |
| But there's more than enough evidence for the people to see that their government is out of control. | ||
| So this is where we can get a specific. | ||
| Because I've heard the name Jesse Trentadu brought up a bunch through some of the wild goose chases I went on from Alex's, like, let's see what he's talking about. | ||
| Can you say that name one more time? | ||
| Trentadu? | ||
| Trentadu. | ||
| T-R-E-N-T-A-D-U-E. | ||
| It's fun to say. | ||
| All right. | ||
| That is fun to say. | ||
| So the fact that Charles Key is bringing him up as somebody who's been doing the fight for a long time, I decided that I needed to look into him. | ||
| Somebody who's been Trentin that do. | ||
| Indeed. | ||
| So we finally have, like, we're climbing the rock. | ||
| We've got a hold here so we can grab onto it. | ||
| And this is actually super interesting to me. | ||
| Because here's the deal. | ||
| Jesse Trentadu is a Utah-based lawyer whose brother, Kenneth Trentadu, was probably murdered by the police in Oklahoma City. | ||
| The official declaration was that it was a suicide, but Jesse believes that evidence shows that the official version of the story is impossible. | ||
| From there, he's gone on a bit of a mission to get justice for his brother that has led him to become a hero for the militia and patriot community. | ||
| There's a way to do that without becoming a hero to the militia community. | ||
| I believe that he went down the wrong road. | ||
| Yeah, that's a definite crossroads-in-your-life moment. | ||
| Now, here's the thing, Jordan. | ||
| It very much looks like Jesse Trentadu has a good point. | ||
| And killed his brother. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| I think he has a good point that unfortunately leads to a really bad point. | ||
| After reviewing the evidence, I have very little reason to doubt Jesse's argument that his brother Kenneth was murdered by the police while in custody. | ||
| There are massive inconsistencies, and we all were pretty well versed in the idea of police brutality. | ||
| Yeah, it's kind of shocking when cops don't kill people now. | ||
| The idea that he might have killed himself, I recognize a certain possibility to it. | ||
| I would say it's much less likely. | ||
| Based on the evidence, then he was murdered by the police. | ||
| Because there are ligature marks on his arm from the handcuffs that probably wouldn't be there if he hadn't been struggling. | ||
| There are wounds to his face that don't seem consistent with him hanging himself in his cell, unless there's some sort of unreported battery in the prison, like a fight he got in that isn't on record. | ||
| So he was killed in prison? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Oh, so the cops definitely killed him. | ||
| Look, I would say it's impossible for me to know, based on the things that I've looked into, but I would be pretty comfortable saying I put it at least an 85% chance the cops murdered him. | ||
| Cops murdered him. | ||
| I think that there's a good chance of that. | ||
| Now, the reason that I think there's a 15% chance that it is true that he killed himself and some of those wounds were from him struggling while he was alive with handcuffs that just have... | ||
| Lasted after he's dead. | ||
| He could have gotten beaten in prison and then hung himself. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He was a heroin addict and a lifelong criminal and addict. | ||
| So, like, the idea that possibly he'd gotten to this point and became despondent and hung himself, I think there's a small possibility of it. | ||
| Much more likely, based on the evidence, that Jesse trying to do his argument is correct. | ||
| I think he probably did get murdered by the police. | ||
| Which I think is fucked up. | ||
| But the argument that this has something to do with the Oklahoma City bombing seems to have something to do with the fact that the government was resistant to investigate the death of Kenneth Trinidad. | ||
| The county medical examiner became frustrated that he couldn't get a grand jury together to look at the death, so he attempted to get the concurrent Oklahoma City bombing grand jury to include it as a piece of their investigation. | ||
| Now, I believe, again, it's... | ||
| Very important that I make clear where I agree with this guy and where I don't. | ||
| I do think that there's probably a cover-up of his death. | ||
| I don't think it's involved with Oklahoma City. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| It is crazy. | ||
| So this coroner, or no, what was it? | ||
| It was coroner, right? | ||
| The medical examiner. | ||
| Fine, medical examiner. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Was just like, nobody's paying attention to me, so I'm going to just toss this in with the OKC bombing? | ||
| That's what I gathered... | ||
| Can you do that? | ||
| That's what I gathered from an interview with the medical examiner. | ||
| I really feel like you can't just do that. | ||
| Nobody would just allow you to do that. | ||
| And that's why it didn't happen. | ||
| And that's why it didn't happen. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Now, the idea... | ||
| That's a Hail Mary if I ever heard one. | ||
| The idea that the medical examiner was running into resistance when he was trying to get a grand jury together to investigate this. | ||
| Is exactly what would happen if the cops killed him. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
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| And it's, like, it's fucking awful, and I hate it. | ||
| But it doesn't necessarily... | ||
| You need to do better than that to prove to me that this is somehow involved with Oklahoma City. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And the bombing. | ||
| Just because it happened around the same time, it doesn't necessarily mean to me that they're connected. | ||
| I have a bit of empathy for this. | ||
| Even though he's a fucking criminal. | ||
| Even though he's someone who got himself back in prison. | ||
| He didn't fucking deserve that, if that is what happened to him. | ||
| No. | ||
| I still have some empathy about that. | ||
| And to a certain extent, I have some empathy with Jesse. | ||
| Trying to do. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Trying to find out the truth and get rights wronged? | ||
| No, again. | ||
| Or wrongs righted? | ||
| Again, it's very much like, no, I totally get it. | ||
| There's a crossroads. | ||
| There's a one path, the other path kind of situation where it's like, either I can become a crusader for good, or I can believe that it's part of the Oklahoma City bombing narrative. | ||
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| Beyond all this stuff that I've already mentioned, Jesse Trentadu's argument hinges on some anonymous phone calls that he alleges he's received that have told him that his brother's death was involved with the bombing, including one from Timothy McVeigh himself. | ||
| What? | ||
| According to Trentadu. | ||
| The theory is that the feds confused Kenneth Trentadu with Richard Lee Guthrie, the creator of the white supremacist and neo-Nazi group, the Aryan Republican Army. | ||
| Guthrie and his group robbed 22 banks between 1994 and 1996 in order to fund their terrorist activities. | ||
| He was inspired by the Turner Diaries, just like Timothy McVeigh. | ||
| He'd spent time at Elohim City, just like Timothy McVeigh. | ||
| Witnesses have alleged that Guthrie and his members of the Aryan Republican Army used the funds that they stole from those 22 banks to pay for Timothy McVeigh's expenses in putting together his attack. | ||
| There are unsubstantiated but alleged connections between them and associates of Richard Lee Guthrie had been placed at bars that Timothy McVeigh was at in the days prior to the attack. | ||
| I can see why that didn't become a rote bank robber movie. | ||
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That, you know, Robin Hood... | |
| Bank robber story that we always see over and over again. | ||
| They're not going to do that one for the white supremacist bank robber story. | ||
| Nah, I don't think that one's going to be famous. | ||
| Still pretty crazy to rob 22 banks. | ||
| That's a lot of banks! | ||
| So many banks. | ||
| How did they not get caught? | ||
| Well, as I understand, from what I read... | ||
| That's like Al Capone level of banks whenever they didn't even have cops or whatever. | ||
| Well, from what I read, most of it hinged on the fact that they mostly targeted small-town Midwestern banks that had very little security and didn't have... | ||
| They had easy getaway points. | ||
| So banks that would be close to the highway would be prime targets because you get in and get on the interstate. | ||
| And generally speaking, it's harder to catch you. | ||
| So could we, could we, was it maybe that they got greedy? | ||
| Like, could you and I successfully rob one of those banks? | ||
| Like, as long as we kept it to, like, two or three, we'd be fine? | ||
| It was also 30 years ago. | ||
| So the technology of surveillance and stuff like that was much weaker than it is now. | ||
| And then another thing that they would do is they would leave fake explosives around in order to try and cripple the response time. | ||
| That's smart. | ||
| I mean, they had a whole plan together. | ||
| That's a good plan. | ||
| So how is this related to Kenneth Trentadu? | ||
| Two things come up. | ||
| First, Kenneth allegedly looked a lot like Richard Lee Guthrie. | ||
| Second, Kenneth had a rap sheet that included robbing banks, which is the reason he was in custody in the first place. | ||
| He refused to conform to the terms of his probation. | ||
| Don't rob any more banks! | ||
| Not that part. | ||
| He told the state that he wasn't going to stop drinking booze, so there was no reason for him to come in for drug screenings or anything like that, so he just stopped going to probation hearings. | ||
| Right, because he's gonna be caught. | ||
| Well, yeah, he's like, I'm going to keep drinking. | ||
| I think it's crazy that you guys say I can't. | ||
| I'm just a heroin addict. | ||
| It's fine. | ||
| I have booze. | ||
| And so he just stopped going in for piss tests. | ||
| Well, yeah, of course. | ||
| Which was a condition of his parole. | ||
| He also had in-laws in Mexico that he went to go visit right before he was arrested, because he was arrested when he tried to re-enter the country, since his probation forbade him from leaving the country. | ||
| If the argument just were... | ||
| That there was a drawing of Guthrie out in the world as John Doe number two. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And Trentadu looked a lot like him, so the feds killed him. | ||
| Then I think you have a theory that makes sense. | ||
| I can see that. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| I don't believe it, and it's not proven in any way, but there aren't any glaring problems with it. | ||
| However, Jesse Trentadu's narrative is far more complicated. | ||
| He believes that Waco, Ruby Ridge, and Oklahoma City are all part of the federal government's attempt to disrupt Patriot organizations. | ||
| That's where you get into trouble, man. | ||
| It's a part of an operation he calls PATCON or the Patriot Conspiracy. | ||
| Because he involves this as a part of his argument... | ||
| That actually sounds like something that happens in San Diego once a year. | ||
| No, it's in the Pacific Northwest, buddy. | ||
| It's up in Idaho, for sure. | ||
| Because he involves this as a part of his argument, everything falls apart. | ||
| If PAC-Con is real, which I'm not sure it is, I don't think it is, then the feds would know who they were looking for in John Doe No. 2. They knew that they would be looking for Richard Lee Guthrie, but probably didn't want the public to know how they knew that. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| They would have had like surveillance tentacles out there that they didn't want to reveal. | ||
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Right. | |
| So they would be putting out this APB on a person. | ||
| They knew who they were looking for because of this patriot conspiracy network that they're putting out into the world. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And just have to shield that from public awareness. | ||
| But if that's the case... | ||
| It follows that they would know damn well that Kenneth Trentatou wasn't Richard Lee Guthrie, given the fact that Trentatou was in custody because of the long-documented probation violation, and he had a full rap sheet, and on a very basic level, the fact that Guthrie and him are two different people. | ||
| They would know that if the rest of Jesse Trentatou's narrative that he has built since going on this crusade is true, it all is self-contradictory. | ||
| It doesn't work together. | ||
| It's impossible. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| The story is really, really sad. | ||
| And you can't help but empathize with Jesse. | ||
| Here's a man who had his brother most likely murdered by the police. | ||
| And though he's tried for years to get some modicum of justice, the state has not allowed him closure. | ||
| It becomes even sadder when you see how he's allowed the pain and grief he feels about this tragedy to be transmuted into a right-wing conspiracy. | ||
| On another level, it's really sad to recognize all the non-white families that have to go through this exact same pain every day, having their family members killed or wrongly incarcerated, but don't have enough circumstantial evidence or connections to white supremacists and neo-Nazi groups to get Alex Jones to even care about their plight. | ||
| I watched an hour-plus-long presentation by Jesse Trentadu, where he laid out all the relevant evidence to his claims, and I think the connection to the OKC bombing is profoundly flimsy. | ||
| But it's what he needs in order to keep his brother's death relevant, to make it more important than just another inmate senselessly murdered by the police. | ||
| I would feel a lot of empathy for him if he didn't say this towards the end of his presentation. | ||
| Quote, you ask me how long I'm going to fight these sons of bitches till I'm dead. | ||
| And what justice will I ever get out of that? | ||
| Will they ever prosecute anybody for my brother? | ||
| No, never will. | ||
| But I can harm the reputation of the Department of Justice. | ||
| I can harm the reputation of the FBI. | ||
| I can do great damage to them. | ||
| And that's my objective. | ||
| That's the only justice my family will ever get. | ||
| It seems like Trinidad's primary objective, as he clearly says, is to hurt the FBI and the Department of Justice. | ||
| If he were doing that by sticking to the facts about his brother's probable murder, I would support that wholeheartedly. | ||
| Unfortunately, he's correctly realized that the way he can hurt them the most is to side with the right-wing terrorists to peddle unfounded nonsense. | ||
| And for that, my empathy for his situation is greatly diminished. | ||
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And I feel very sad. | |
| I wish I could care more, but... | ||
| That sucks all around. | ||
| That sucks for everybody. | ||
| That sucks! | ||
| I'm bummed! | ||
| There's nothing good about that. | ||
| No! | ||
| There's nothing to hang your head. | ||
| There's no hero. | ||
| Everybody's bad. | ||
| Even the people that you... | ||
| The serial killer who has a bad childhood. | ||
| You're like, I would empathize with you if you weren't a serial killer. | ||
| The only person who's conceivably good is the guy who got murdered in prison, and we don't even know that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You assume that he didn't do anything to deserve... | ||
| That sort of treatment? | ||
| All he was was the town drunk! | ||
| He was Otis. | ||
| In Mayberry! | ||
| But you don't know what his life was like outside of that. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| You know, grieving family members, saying he was great. | ||
| And maybe he was. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I can't speak to that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But, yeah, everything sucks, man. | ||
| My conspiracy theory. | ||
| Kenneth and... | ||
| What's his name? | ||
| Richard Lee Guthrie? | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| The other brother. | ||
| Jesse? | ||
| Jesse. | ||
| Kenneth and Jesse were actually twins. | ||
| Jesse... | ||
| Was the one who was accidentally mistaken for Kenneth and put in prison. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| Kenneth is actually Jesse. | ||
| Kenneth was always a white supremacist. | ||
| And that's why he tricked Jesse into going to prison for him. | ||
| And a great actor. | ||
| And a great actor. | ||
| And secretly is actually Kenneth Branagh. | ||
| And he was caught coming out of the opera house whenever Lincoln was killed. | ||
| Undoubtedly. | ||
| It sucks. | ||
| You're right. | ||
| I mean, all of that just sucks. | ||
| I took no pleasure out of learning about this stuff. | ||
| No, that's a bummer. | ||
| But I'm fascinated by it. | ||
| As I was complaining about earlier, I think I went on maybe too long of a rant about it, how dissatisfying it is to chase the ghosts of Alex's imagination. | ||
| When you find something that's like, oh, there's a specific, and you look into it, and it's something like that. | ||
| It is the very literal definition of sour grapes. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's like, oh man, look at that fruit up there on the branch. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You go and eat it and you're like, oh my god, that fruit. | ||
| That fruit's terrible. | ||
| That's just a tragedy all the way around. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Because, like I said, I can't stress this enough, I think he probably was fucking murdered. | ||
| He almost certainly was. | ||
| And that conversation is relevant, you know, like it is. | ||
| Absolutely! | ||
| But then once you allow the stupid conspiracy stuff to invade that, you muddy the waters of a good argument. | ||
| And then there's another piece I didn't even bring into this, that eventually the family did get a payoff from the government. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| And then he kept going. | ||
| He's still trying to... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He ended up winning in civil court. | ||
| Yeah, because the cops murdered his brother. | ||
| As I understand, self-reporting on his part, he got a payoff not from the murder, but from intentional cause of grief for the process he had to go through. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| And so, he did get paid off. | ||
| That's still a bummer! | ||
| I don't think it makes it better. | ||
| I think that there's obviously, the best thing that could come out of it is, You know, police reform. | ||
| Yeah, a payoff isn't any more satisfying than anything else. | ||
| That's just like, hey, we're going to keep murdering people, but you get some money because you wouldn't shut up about it. | ||
| And the people who are involved in the cover-up, you know, like, if it was a murder. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| People who are involved in the cover-up. | ||
| No consequences. | ||
| You would think. | ||
| Now, I don't know if it goes all the way up to Eric Holder. | ||
| But it said your tax dollars go to, well, it actually was Eric Holder. | ||
| If it goes all the way up to Eric Holder, I still don't think it involves the bombing, but then there's a different conversation about, like, hey, you gotta rein in the police forces in this country. | ||
| You would think. | ||
| Or at least you need to prosecute them. | ||
| It almost seems like anyone with guns should have a conversation. | ||
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Hmm. | |
| Should be controlled in some way. | ||
| There should be some sort of oversight for any human being that's allowed to have a gun. | ||
| Perhaps. | ||
| Regardless of whether or not they are in law enforcement. | ||
| Maybe something to that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Could be. | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's a bit of the heaviness. | ||
| Now we're out of it and Alex Jones is going to talk a bunch of dumb bullshit about how there are occultists in the world and they hate Christianity. | ||
| That sounds right. | ||
| One of the biggest issues I've noticed is that the... | ||
| Occultists, the Rosicrucians, all these groups, basic same religion, run the atheistic, agnostic groups, the humanist groups, and also have infiltrated all the seminaries. | ||
| They brag about it in their books, as you men know. | ||
| Yeah, we're huge fans of them. | ||
| And they're obsessed with discrediting true Christianity, but then... | ||
| Not hard to do. | ||
| They're a bunch of occultics. | ||
| Why do they accept all the other religions except for that? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
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Why does everyone hate true Christianity? | |
| What's true Christianity, Dan? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Just he's trying to be a victim. | ||
| But he said you men know. | ||
| He wasn't talking to the audience. | ||
| He was talking to his guests. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| There are a couple dudes on, new guests. | ||
| New guests. | ||
| From a group called Cutting Edge Ministries. | ||
| Nope, not a fan. | ||
| Already out. | ||
| They're on because they have a new documentary out called The Eye of the Phoenix, which is about the evils on the dollar bill. | ||
| That's less fun. | ||
| I do like the title, The Eye of the Phoenix, though. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| That's not bad. | ||
| Their main argument seems to be that the dollar bill represents the mythical phoenix and that the globalists are going to take it down and from its ashes is going to rise world government. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| You should also know that they have an entire website where they lay out how Harry Potter is evil. | ||
| It's one of the lamest things I've ever seen in my life. | ||
| Well, yeah, but I mean, they must be pissed because they came out before Harry Potter, right? | ||
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Yeah, yeah. | |
| So Harry Potter's tossing in phoenixes like it's a good thing and they're like, no, the phoenix is bad. | ||
| Yeah, that might be some sort of like getting on our turf shit. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| But it's just that boring Christian nonsense of like, this is of the devil. | ||
| That sort of shit. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, no. | ||
| Did I ever tell you whenever I was like 12 or 13? | ||
| My church asked me to read the first Harry Potter book so I could determine whether or not it was blasphemous in case other children read it. | ||
| So they asked you to be the sorting hat of the book. | ||
| You got it. | ||
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Yep. | |
| I declare this book Slytherin! | ||
| And no one shall read this book! | ||
| Burn, Slytherin! | ||
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This book is of Voldemort's house! | |
| Perhaps I am wrong. | ||
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It is he who should not be named. | |
| So, these guys are wacky. | ||
| I wanted to, like, get some quotes from the website, but I was like, I've already read way too much on this episode. | ||
| Let's punt on this stupid bullshit. | ||
| But, that does not stop me. | ||
| One more clip from Cutting Edge Ministries' appearance where they say something that I think is profoundly stupid about their idea of what's about to happen in the world. | ||
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But the exciting part of it for us is that... | |
| Is that this all comes down, and they are aiming for the very thing the Bible says will happen, and that is a Christ figure that will claim to be Jesus Christ and all the world's religions, and will take control of a global government, a global economy, and a global religion. | ||
| Well, let me look at how the last two folks are calling for a one-world government, and I have video of them joining hands with all the other religions. | ||
| I mean, they're all pushing for this. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And the Illuminati, back in 1991, made a decision that the Roman Catholic Pope, whomever he was at the time, would become the top religious leader of the New World Order. | ||
| I kept it until that long, and then I had to cut it off because it's just rambling. | ||
| It's like, oh, the Illuminati decided in 1991. | ||
| You should really know which pope it is you're talking about, if that's part of your conspiracy theory. | ||
| Like, you should have that information, like, on hand. | ||
| No, no, that's not fair. | ||
| Oh, he was saying that whomever the pope was. | ||
| At any point in time, from that point forward, they are now the head of the globalist religion, or whatever. | ||
| Wasn't that still John Paul II? | ||
| I think so, in 91. I don't know. | ||
| I don't study the Pope timeline, so I'm going to punt, but I think it was. | ||
| That's a good show on USA, though. | ||
| The Pope timeline? | ||
| Young Pope timeline? | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| Have you ever seen that? | ||
| So good. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Got canceled, didn't it? | ||
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No, the new season of Young Pope timeline is coming out soon. | |
| I get that confused with Young Sheldon timeline. | ||
| Anyway, I just think that that's fun. | ||
| That's like, all right, guys. | ||
| I love your lifestyle. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| You like it? | ||
| I do. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Because to me, that's like the good fun conspiracy world. | ||
| The Illuminati decided in 1991 that Pope will be the king of all global religions. | ||
| Why 1991? | ||
| And also, there's weird pictographs on the dollar bill. | ||
| Is it a palindrome? | ||
| Is that what it is? | ||
| Probably. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's the sort of stuff that I think that it lives in that conspiracy world that I know that it can be a funnel to more dangerous conspiracy world, but it's fun. | ||
| It is fun. | ||
| It lives in this place. | ||
| Mostly outside of bigotry, I think. | ||
| Although probably not. | ||
| No, definitely not. | ||
| It's just more fun. | ||
| It would be more fun if... | ||
| It's like in 1991, the Illuminati decided that no one will ever find Bigfoot. | ||
| There was a chance. | ||
| There was a time. | ||
| But right at 91, they were like, no more... | ||
| Bill Clinton's about to become president. | ||
| Nobody can find Bigfoot anymore. | ||
| Bill Clinton hid all the living squatches down in the Dulce base in New Mexico. | ||
| Way underground. | ||
| Yes, absolutely. | ||
| Oh, that makes sense. | ||
| And Carrie Cassidy is on the case. | ||
| She's going to find those hidden squatches. | ||
| Man, I don't know. | ||
| God, we should write a detective series based on Carrie Cassidy. | ||
| Yeah, like a Hardy Boys mystery? | ||
| Yeah, absolutely! | ||
| That'd be perfect. | ||
| I think... | ||
| You know what's interesting? | ||
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What? | |
| I need to do some research because I don't know if I've ever heard... | ||
| Have there been... | ||
| Did she write her own young adult series? | ||
| I don't doubt it. | ||
| And sold it. | ||
| Probably. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| The Hunger Games. | ||
| Here's the thing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm not interested in cryptozoology for the most part. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But I'm not sure I've ever heard Carrie talk about squatches. | ||
| Really? | ||
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Yeah, I'm not sure. | |
| That's a good point. | ||
| I need to look into... | ||
| Maybe in passing she said that there was some sort of alien race. | ||
| Yeah, that sounds right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, that sounds like something she'd be like, and the raptors are fighting the reptoids, and the Pleiadians teamed up with the Sasquatches. | ||
| The Pleiadians are all obviously in alliance with Squatch. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| The Squatches are good people. | ||
| They're heroes. | ||
| They're good people. | ||
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I don't know. | |
| I gotta look through her archives, see if I can find a Squatch app. | ||
| I would definitely do a Squatch app. | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| See if we can get Bobcat Goldthwait on. | ||
| Oh, that'd be great. | ||
| Or Jason Earl Folks. | ||
| Jason Earl Folks! | ||
| Yeah, toss them all in there. | ||
| Chicago comedian who's obsessed with Sasquatch. | ||
| So, Jordan, that brings us to the end of February 26th. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Which means... | ||
| Now. | ||
| The day begins. | ||
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Time for a party. | |
| What kind of party? | ||
| Tea party. | ||
| Good song. | ||
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Thanks. | |
| Was that a techno song in the 80s? | ||
| Yeah, it was from a weird movie. | ||
| It was a sci-fi B movie. | ||
| Where they had a maintenance droid that injects... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It was basically Independence Day, but it was the tea party. | ||
| The tea party. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Instead of the July 4th, 1776, it was like, oh, we're going to throw these aliens' tea into the ocean! | ||
| Jordan, there's no way for us to give this the gravitas that it requires, because for all of our 2009 episodes now... | ||
| Going on maybe as long as the 2015 investigation, or at least it feels that way. | ||
| We are now finally at the day of the Nationwide Chicago Tea Party. | ||
| By the way, not sponsored by Nationwide. | ||
| They are not on your side. | ||
| No. | ||
| Well, they're on some people's side if you're white. | ||
| But it's time. | ||
| Here's how he starts the show. | ||
| Teasing an interview and then saying something really fucked up. | ||
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Then we have Janine Roberts. | |
| She is a British lady. | ||
| Not the way you should say that. | ||
| But we've had her on, I guess, about six, seven, eight years ago. | ||
| I want to be clear. | ||
| She's married to a lord. | ||
| She's married to a lord. | ||
| When he says lady, he's not saying... | ||
| He's literally saying she's a lady. | ||
| It's not like he's saying that. | ||
| It's like, lady! | ||
| That sounded to me exactly like, hey, our next comic coming up to the stage is a lady. | ||
| You guys are going to love that. | ||
| And that's why I had to pause it just to be clear. | ||
| That's her title. | ||
| It's not like, ooh, we got a woman! | ||
| Alright, so now I hate her instead of him. | ||
| Who cares? | ||
| I first saw her. | ||
| I said who cares because, like, I don't care. | ||
| No, that's fine. | ||
| You don't need to justify it. | ||
| You don't need to justify it. | ||
| No, I'm like, I was thinking about, like, should I defend her? | ||
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Nah, who cares. | |
| With her documentary that aired on PBS, I'd already learned this when I was a child because my dad had friends that were in the international diamond business. | ||
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What? | |
| They were French South Africans. | ||
| What? | ||
| It was all a monopoly. | ||
| There were giant warehouses of diamonds and the diamonds were semi-precious. | ||
| What? | ||
| I mean, literally worth the same amount as rhinestones, but people will mortgage their houses or two or three years' pay just to buy their wife or sweetie a big diamond. | ||
| Yeah, this is a problem. | ||
| And I halfway didn't believe my dad, but I knew he didn't make stuff up. | ||
| And then, I remember when I was a teenager, I saw her Diamond Empire film. | ||
| Now, I didn't know, because it wasn't in the news, that they went on her yacht. | ||
| Told her you shouldn't have made that movie, broke her nose, knocked some of her teeth out. | ||
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What? | |
| And she's married to a British lord. | ||
| She's pretty powerful. | ||
| So there's the married to a lord part. | ||
| Is it Lord Moncton? | ||
| No, it's not. | ||
| Maybe it is. | ||
| I didn't know. | ||
| I can neither confirm nor deny that she's married to Lord Moncton. | ||
| Climate creep. | ||
| So Alex's big narrative with her is that people came to her yacht. | ||
| Beat the shit out of her and said you shouldn't make this movie. | ||
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Right. | |
| He's going to repeat that. | ||
| At least six times during this episode. | ||
| She is going to explain that that did not happen. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| I assume. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| He's going to repeat that over and over again. | ||
| It's the big selling point of, like, this documentary that she put out is too dangerous. | ||
| She's a martyr. | ||
| She lived it, man. | ||
| The mafia came to her, roughed her up, and said, look, if you don't want this to happen again, you're going to do it. | ||
| I don't know why I'm doing so many voices today. | ||
| You're in a fucking impression storm. | ||
| Too many voices. | ||
| I like it, though. | ||
| I like it. | ||
| Actually, it's Zagami who came to her. | ||
| It's like, and we're gonna... | ||
| Okay, alright. | ||
| Zagami can't go on a yacht. | ||
| Is that court order? | ||
| I don't know why I said that. | ||
| Like, is he some sort of nautical vampire? | ||
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I don't know what the fuck... | |
| You'll have to invite me onto your yacht. | ||
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Why the fuck would I say Zagami can't go on a yacht? | |
| It made total sense. | ||
| Is that a George Surratt painting? | ||
| Upstairs it made total fucking sense. | ||
| So that's where he's going with it. | ||
| I think the most troubling thing to hear is that his dad was friends with South African diamond guys. | ||
| That's really bad. | ||
| Because work out that timeline. | ||
| Work out that timeline. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| That was apartheid, baby. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And French South Africans would be white South Africans. | ||
| Hmm. | ||
| So his dad... | ||
| It's almost like the whole family's been white supremacists for a long time. | ||
| And these connections... | ||
| In Texas?! | ||
| And these connections with people who are exploiting apartheid South Africa for strip-mining the resources, it seems like there are a lot more of them popping up all over the place suspiciously. | ||
| It's almost like a lot of the proto-right-wing in the John Burt Society folks... | ||
| Maybe a lot of their funding came from strip mining countries. | ||
| No! | ||
| Come on, Dan. | ||
| Exploitative racial practices. | ||
| White people would never do that. | ||
| We have a long history of not exploiting other... | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| So, like I said, we are now on the day of the Tea Party. | ||
| Seems like, you know, on the last episode, or I'm sorry, on the 25th, two days prior, Alex had a clearly planted caller who called in to say, hey, you should check this out. | ||
| Maybe he's going to be up on it. | ||
| Instead, what he does is he talks to his survival food guy. | ||
| Okay, cool. | ||
| But right now, for the balance of this segment, I wanted to get Steve on today. | ||
| Because Steve Schenck has been in the storable foods business for 28 years. | ||
| I've bought a lot of storable foods over the years and didn't like a lot of the quality of it, I'll tell you. | ||
| And when I bought his food seven years ago, it didn't have any MSG. | ||
| It was non-GMO. | ||
| It was the best price I found out there and delivered the quickest just in a few weeks. | ||
| And so we went out and got him as a sponsor. | ||
| But I wanted to have him on to track what's happening in the economy. | ||
| So Alex is having his fucking survival food guy on as a guest to talk about the economy, which we already know he has this weird business model where his sponsors have to be guests repeatedly. | ||
| We've had the limerick soap guy repeatedly. | ||
| This isn't the first time Steve Shank has shown up as a guest talking about things that aren't survival food. | ||
| So it's super weird. | ||
| Does he ever say the slogan for his business? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| What is the slogan? | ||
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It's, uh, we shanked it! | |
| Stick to the impressions, bro. | ||
| Good point. | ||
| Minus one. | ||
| Because here's why. | ||
| It's a minus a one! | ||
| Back in business. | ||
| Alright, there we go. | ||
| I like the attempt. | ||
| I like where you're going with it. | ||
| But that would never be a slogan because shanked it would be like a negative thing. | ||
| Like you shanked it. | ||
| Dan. | ||
| You'd never make your survival food thing. | ||
| We blew it. | ||
| What if... | ||
| There you go. | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| You've got to recontextualize it. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Now, the we and the we shanked it is society. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Society shanked it. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Now my pun is making a lot more sense. | ||
| And now, yeah, so society blew it, and now you need his food. | ||
| You need survival food. | ||
| So, it's a long walk. | ||
| Plus one. | ||
| No, push. | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| I gave myself a minus one. | ||
| Now you recontextualize it. | ||
| I get a plus one. | ||
| We're even. | ||
| I give myself a negative one for being so harshly critical, but a plus one for nailing it. | ||
| For helping you walk it through. | ||
| Perfect. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| It's a push. | ||
| It's tea party day. | ||
| He's having his food fucking sponsor on to talk about the economy, which is weird. | ||
| I'm like, it's a little early in the show. | ||
| Food sponsor, tea. | ||
| Done. | ||
| Does he sell survival tea? | ||
| Probably. | ||
| Survival tea? | ||
| No, because those heirloom seed people probably have some teeny seeds. | ||
|
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| That's a different sponsor. | ||
| But be that as it may, he's having this, and maybe later in the show he'll get to his thoughts about how there's a nationwide uprising going on, quite literally, on this day. | ||
| But instead, he has Bob Chapman on. | ||
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Hey! | |
| Bob Chapman shows up, and he makes a startling confession. | ||
| He's a white South African? | ||
| No, he's already confessed that. | ||
| These are the main things. | ||
| And of course, unfortunately for the shareholders, it's been an absolute nosedive. | ||
| And they've just... | ||
| Well, we went short the stock. | ||
| We bet it was going to go down at $38 a share, $42 a share, somewhere up there. | ||
| I kind of get it mixed up with J.P. Morgan because we shorted that as well around the same price, and that's selling for around $20. | ||
| But as you pointed out, the Citigroup is down $0.56 today. | ||
| It's selling for about $1.50, and we'll probably cover that short. | ||
| In other words, buy it in at somewhere around $1, I hope. | ||
| And the subscribers... | ||
| So what he's saying is that he predicted that banks were going to lose value in stock. | ||
| So he short bet them. | ||
| He bet that they would fall in price and made a bunch of money off of it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Michael Lewis made a movie about it. | ||
| Now... | ||
| Yeah? | ||
| What is Alex Jones' primary complaint about George Soros? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| He has shorted banks. | ||
| I don't know what you're talking about. | ||
| He's the man who broke the Bank of England by short betting against them. | ||
| No idea what you're talking about. | ||
| Bob Chapman is coming on the show and saying he did the exact same fucking stuff that they accused George Soros of being evil for doing. | ||
| But Bob Chapman isn't a globalist. | ||
| I understand that. | ||
| It's part of the fucking stock market. | ||
| Which is a problem in and of itself! | ||
| I don't think... | ||
| Well, I mean... | ||
| There's bigger problems. | ||
| But in terms of, like, if we have the stock market as it exists now, you need people short betting in order to pay the price for people. | ||
| Whoever's wrong pays, and whoever's right makes that money. | ||
| Yeah, but I feel like gambling with pension funds is probably bad. | ||
|
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Awful. | |
| I don't like it. | ||
| But I don't think that there's a moral aspect to short betting something if that's the system we live in. | ||
| I would rather we don't do that. | ||
| But while it's there, it's not wrong. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You're playing the rules of the game. | ||
| Although, on the other hand, short betting and the other... | ||
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Long betting? | |
| Whatever it is, those both seem like opposite ends of the same insider trading exploitative system. | ||
| It can be for sure. | ||
| So it seems like both of those being an option, period, is a very bad thing. | ||
| Rife for crime and fraud. | ||
| Well, on a super elementary basis, you have a situation where you see a stock, and you can bet that it's going to get better, or you can bet that it's going to get worse. | ||
|
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Right. | |
| You know, like how economies should work. | ||
|
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What? | |
| Yeah, totally. | ||
| Is that how... | ||
|
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Totally. | |
| Didn't Eddie Murphy make a movie about how evils should... | ||
| But it's no more wrong to bet against something than it is to bet for it. | ||
| You betting against it doesn't make it fail. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Pete Rose would disagree with you. | ||
| Well, no, that's different. | ||
| It would be different if, let's say, the president of Citigroup shorted Citigroup. | ||
| That would be fun. | ||
| Then you'd be like, uh-oh. | ||
| That's an issue. | ||
| He would get a lifetime ban from the Hall of Fame, for sure. | ||
|
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Undoubtedly. | |
| The Banker's Hall of Fame, which exists. | ||
| We should burn down. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| So now, here's the most interesting thing. | ||
| The Banker's Hall of Fame is also in Cooperstown? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| No, the other reason that we've been going back to 2009 is I'm desperately trying to figure out when Alex started talking about George Soros. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| In this appearance, I don't have the clip of it because it's so inconsequential, Bob Chapman brings up George Soros. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| As a good person, doesn't he? | ||
| No. | ||
| He brings him up in reference to Glenn Beck talking about how there's going to be this Bubba uprising, which absolutely did happen with the Tea Party. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| But, like, he's talking about... | ||
| Glenn Beck and George Soros sort of being in concert with each other. | ||
| No. | ||
| He's implying that they're working towards similar goals. | ||
| All right. | ||
| But the only reason I don't have a clip of it is, like, it's two seconds of Bob Chapman saying, blah. | ||
| Hey, there's George Soros. | ||
| Bye. | ||
| And then Alex doesn't respond to it at all. | ||
| Like, if I were to play the clip, I would have had to play, like, four minutes of Alex completely no-selling George Soros being brought on. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Not on his radar. | ||
| It doesn't matter at all to him. | ||
| He's just like, oh, yeah. | ||
| I believe even Morris is like, Beck sucks. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| That's what he cares about more. | ||
| So he stole George Soros. | ||
| Well, he didn't steal George Soros from Beck. | ||
| He ignored that Beck might be in concert with George Soros. | ||
| He wasn't. | ||
| Well, yeah. | ||
| Well, yeah. | ||
| If there's anything I know about George Soros is that he's not going to be like... | ||
| Glenn Beck, you've got some good ideas. | ||
| Let's see what's up with you. | ||
| You've got the goods. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| It's weird, man, because it's the first time his name has come up. | ||
| You've got the goods. | ||
| Good, good impression. | ||
| But it's weird because... | ||
| I was doing an impression of Alan's doing an impression. | ||
| It's a sequential impression. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| It's the first time he's come up in this at least month of episodes that we've listened to. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's the closest to, hey, here's Soros, baby. | ||
| And I don't know if that's a sign of things to come. | ||
| Someone who, again, Alex in present day said he's been watching since 20 years ago. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But it's interesting. | ||
| Maybe the reveal is close at hand? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
|
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I don't know. | |
| It's interesting to hear his name come up and Alex be like, I don't give a fuck. | ||
| In the same way that earlier in the episode, that caller brought up the tea party and he clearly had no awareness of like... | ||
| How much that would change his life. | ||
|
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Right. | |
| For sure. | ||
| Shortly after, he has the same response to Bob Chapman bringing up Soros. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's interesting. | ||
| So now, Alex earlier was talking about how his dad is friends with South African diamond people. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Which means he's a great guy. | ||
| And now he's talking to someone who literally made his career off stealing gold from South Africa. | ||
| Another great guy. | ||
| During apartheid and lived in fucking Rhodesia and apartheid South Africa. | ||
| You know what the biggest problem is? | ||
| White farmers. | ||
| They're not doing well. | ||
| People want to take their land away, Dan! | ||
| Bob Chapman is low-key maybe the worst person who's ever been on InfoWords. | ||
| Yeah, for real. | ||
| Like, low-key. | ||
| For real. | ||
| He flies under the radar because of the Reagan butt-fucking stuff and how he has that, like, all-shucks-y voice the same way Ron Paul does. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| The two of them have this unassuming character to them. | ||
| But, like, you look into their careers and you see, like, oh, no. | ||
| The amount of damage. | ||
| Yeah, you guys might have been, like... | ||
| On the ground floor involved in monstrous shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I could say that anybody who's deeply involved in business and lived in Rhodesia and apartheid South Africa then fled when equity was starting to come around and then got out of South African gold probably because of that. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| I think that you know on some level that you were really raping the people. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| And so that's why I think that Bob Chapman has fucking brass balls to say this when Alex Jones brings back up South African diamond people. | ||
| It's another example of a total skin, a total cartel. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| There's enough diamonds in the world to bury it. | ||
| I mean, intrinsically, they have little or no value. | ||
| And that value has been created by De Beers and others, particularly De Beers. | ||
| Which is controlled indirectly by the royal family. | ||
| And they're the ones who financed all of the projects in South Africa. | ||
| And they're the ones that used Madison Ave tactics, especially after the turn of the 21st century. | ||
| These guys were raping differently than me! | ||
| Just a different commodity. | ||
| That's no good. | ||
| Look, the more expensive diamonds were, the less people are paying attention to gold they were fucking me over. | ||
| Right. | ||
| De Beers! | ||
| Also owned by the royal family. | ||
| Did he even mention which royal family? | ||
| The... | ||
| Like the... | ||
| The... | ||
| The Danish royalty? | ||
| That actually sounds right. | ||
| They fucked around with people for a while. | ||
| The Dutch? | ||
| They went crazy? | ||
| I think Dutch is what I meant to say when I said Danish. | ||
| Yeah, that's probably true. | ||
| Dutch is definitely much more likely. | ||
| Dutch is in the running. | ||
| Oh yeah, they're in the conversation. | ||
|
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Oh yeah. | |
| But I mean, it's always fun to see just a South African apartheid opportunist critiquing another one. | ||
| They didn't do it good enough! | ||
| But the argument that they're making is absolutely true in as much as artificial scarcity is what drove diamond prices and has for a very long time. | ||
| They would not be as expensive as they are if the supply that actually existed... | ||
| We're all made public. | ||
| And, of course, the amazing ad campaign, that whole concept of two-month salary or whatever it is. | ||
| Every kiss begins with cake. | ||
| What are you talking about? | ||
| Why is that a tradition? | ||
| Did it exist before 1965? | ||
| No. | ||
| He went to Jared. | ||
| Did he go to Jared? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| These are just the diamond commercials. | ||
| I don't know from my childhood. | ||
| So what do diamonds do? | ||
| They're shiny. | ||
| No, I mean, they're great in like... | ||
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They shine bright like a diamond! | |
| No, they're like great in saws. | ||
| They inspire Rihanna songs. | ||
| They're really great. | ||
| Like, diamond-tipped saws, they're incredible. | ||
| Certainly. | ||
| Shouldn't we use them for saws? | ||
| I think they do exist in a lot of... | ||
| I mean, they definitely have utility in them. | ||
| Shouldn't we use them for the movie franchise Saw? | ||
| No. | ||
| That should go the way of Rhodesia. | ||
| Disappeared. | ||
| Too many Saw movies. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, I know there are, like, actual functional uses for diamonds. | ||
| Yeah, they're great. | ||
| Hardest material and shit. | ||
| But in terms of, yeah, like, they're bright and shine, whatever, for wings. | ||
| Who cares? | ||
| People have those... | ||
| But it's crazy. | ||
| It's crazy to think that humans came from monkeys that were so shocked by shiny things. | ||
| Come on, Dan. | ||
| I would say that the best thing that has ever come out of diamonds. | ||
|
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What? | |
| Two things. | ||
| One, the song Grills by Paul Wall. | ||
| Nelly. | ||
| Nope, not going well. | ||
| This isn't going to happen. | ||
| I can't remember who else is on that song. | ||
| You're dangerously close to a minus one, Dan. | ||
| My second thing that Diamonds have brought us. | ||
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Okay. | |
| The song Bling Bling by BG featuring Lil Wayne. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Manny Fresh. | ||
| This one's better? | ||
| This one's better? | ||
| Actually, the remix is better. | ||
| By virtue of having Lil Wayne on it, it's better than your previous song. | ||
| The bling bling remix is much better than the original. | ||
| The original is kind of a snooze. | ||
| I'm not sure if that's true, but I'm fine. | ||
| I think it was Manny Fresh's lyric, his verse, where he talks about how they put rims on a helicopter. | ||
| I thought that was really fun. | ||
| I love Manny Fresh. | ||
| Fresh. | ||
| He's the best. | ||
| He is the best of that sort of world of New Orleans hip-hop producers. | ||
| Manny Fresh's sound is just so fucking good. | ||
| It bangs and has a really symphonic quality to it. | ||
| He's very, very good. | ||
| I'm never less than shocked that you know so much about a guy like Manny Fresh and yet you could not name a Jay Dillatrack. | ||
| Not one. | ||
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It's astonishing to me. | |
| You know what it is? | ||
| It's compartmentalization. | ||
| What is it? | ||
| It's compartmentalization. | ||
| I was super into one thing at one time in my life, and I learned everything I could about that thing, and then I started to like other things, and I found everything I could about that thing, in terms of pop culture. | ||
| And Jay Dilla is one of those artists who I've loved every time anybody's played anything of his work for me. | ||
| But I don't give a shit. | ||
| Which I feel bad about because I know he's very talented. | ||
| You can't feel bad about something that is not your fault. | ||
| I should like it more. | ||
| No, that doesn't make any sense. | ||
| I don't accept that argument. | ||
| I should like something more that's relatively inconsequential. | ||
| If I had him up in a bracket against Manny Fresh. | ||
| No, of course. | ||
| Fresh is going over. | ||
| Yeah, no, you would definitely do that. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| Incorrectly, but you would do it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I respect that. | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| Real Big is such a good song. | ||
| House real big. | ||
| Dick real big. | ||
| That was actually the first song from Real Big Fish's album. | ||
| That's your ska, that's your 90s hip-hop. | ||
| Put them together! | ||
| He has a lyric in that song. | ||
| Push that button, microwave oven. | ||
| No idea what that means. | ||
| Love it. | ||
| Push the button? | ||
| No. | ||
| Well, that was before they had the express option on most microwaves. | ||
| So you'd have to push, like, one and then zero, zero to get a minute. | ||
| Like, you can just press one and get a minute back then. | ||
| No, I think he's talking about how in his car he has a button he presses and a microwave oven pops out. | ||
| That's how I imagine it. | ||
| That doesn't sound right at all. | ||
| He also produced all the good stuff from Young Jeezy. | ||
| That's solid work, then. | ||
| Especially the production of it. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| And not to say that Young Jeezy's a bad rapper or anything, but that, like, I love it. | ||
| That was Manny Fresh production. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| He's a great producer. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Anyway, let's stop talking about Manny Fresh. | ||
| I don't know how we can. | ||
| Goddamn, the big timer was so good. | ||
| Stop it! | ||
| One of the great things about the big timers... | ||
| They pretended that all of their albums were sequels to each other. | ||
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Right. | |
| So they would have albums like, I got that work part one, and then I got that work part two. | ||
| That doesn't sound right. | ||
| They weren't sequels to each other at all. | ||
| Like Brockhampton. | ||
| They have Brockhampton 1, Brockhampton 2, Brockhampton 3. They did it first. | ||
| I'm fine with that. | ||
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I don't need this. | |
| I don't even know if I need this conversation. | ||
| Manny Fresh was so better than Baby. | ||
| In terms of the big timers. | ||
| Anyway, let's move on. | ||
|
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Alright. | |
| So, earlier in the episode, Alex was teasing that he's going to have this Janine... | ||
| What is her last name? | ||
| Roberts. | ||
| Janine Roberts is going to be on. | ||
| Talk about her diamond shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Documentary. | ||
| And like we've already talked about, the idea that there's artificial scarcity is absolutely true. | ||
| And it is a corrupt market. | ||
| Question. | ||
| Does she have at least six teeth made out of diamonds? | ||
| Because she had her teeth knocked out. | ||
| Well... | ||
| So, of course... | ||
| The only logical thing for her to do then would be to get a diamond grill. | ||
| Well, rob the drooly store or tell them make me a grill. | ||
| I don't know much about Janine Roberts, but I'm guessing that she would cause a cold front if she takes a deep breath. | ||
| No! | ||
| So much ice on her teeth. | ||
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Stop it! | |
| I got one I call penny candy. | ||
| You know what that means? | ||
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How dare you? | |
| Jelly and beans. | ||
| My big mama hate it, but my little mama love it. | ||
| So is this show about Alex Jones? | ||
| Sometimes I wonder. | ||
| I think today it's about you doing impressions and me getting a lot of rap shit out. | ||
| And I don't know why. | ||
| I don't know either. | ||
| I don't know why you're doing impressions. | ||
| I don't know why. | ||
| I don't normally do impressions. | ||
| I don't know why I'm talking about all my rap stuff, but I love it. | ||
| By Young Jeezy. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Produced by Manny Fresh. | ||
| So. | ||
| Somehow, at the end of that, you get a plus one. | ||
| I don't know why. | ||
| I don't care to listen to too much of her interview because I sort of implicitly agree with a lot of the stuff that she's saying. | ||
| The idea that this is a corrupt business that is mostly using artificial scarcity to rise up the prices of this thing in order to quarter markets. | ||
| Yeah, like OPEC. | ||
| Because diamonds aren't available in every part of the world. | ||
| Same with oil, for sure. | ||
| And Alex doesn't make that connection at all, which is weird. | ||
| But the only thing I want to bring up is that, like I said, he's, over the course of this episode, at least five or six times, he's talked about how she got beat up, and then the people who were beating her up said, hey, don't bring this documentary out. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And so now he asks her about that in the documentary, or in her interview, and it's not good. | ||
| Here we go. | ||
| Now, specifically, going from memory here, didn't the gang, while they were pounding you, tell you to not release the film? | ||
| I don't like that sound. | ||
| No, they used personal insults. | ||
| They used personal insults. | ||
| They insulted me. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| So she goes on to say that lawyers came to her when she was in the hospital and tried to get her to sign over the rights to her documentary. | ||
| But she in no way connects the beating. | ||
| To the people who came and talked to her, the lawyers for the production company, the BBC, who came. | ||
| That is a coincidence, probably. | ||
| She just got her ass kicked. | ||
| Alex is... | ||
| Well, it appears that it's a mugging. | ||
| It appears that it's a... | ||
| You remember when Kim Kardashian got robbed? | ||
| No! | ||
| What? | ||
| Something like that. | ||
| I don't know anything about them. | ||
| It was a couple years ago. | ||
| I don't remember all the details. | ||
| I don't want to get into it. | ||
| But, like, it's something like that. | ||
| You know, people... | ||
| Like, she's married to a lord. | ||
| That happens sometimes. | ||
| That hooligans break in and try to get your children. | ||
| Kanye's a lord? | ||
| Metaphorically. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Some people would make that argument. | ||
| Alex would. | ||
| He's a fucking god, I'll tell you that right now. | ||
| Fuck you. | ||
| You like his new shit? | ||
| Like coming out in these interviews? | ||
| Hey, let's not go crazy here. | ||
| Trump loves black people. | ||
| Hey, you know what? | ||
| You can divorce the... | ||
| Look, some people still like Roman Polanski films, and all Kanye did was say that slavery was a choice. | ||
| It's better. | ||
| He apologized. | ||
| Eh, who gives a shit? | ||
| He's no Manny Fresh. | ||
| Who gives a shit what he says and then what he apologizes for? | ||
| I don't understand who gives a shit. | ||
| I'm bummed out that his most reasoned EP, technically he called it an album, but it had a couple of tracks that were great, and then the rest of it was just not up to snuff. | ||
| Well, I think the more important thing is that you should recognize that he's using the exact same Alex Jones tricks in order to gin up popularity and publicity for his projects that he puts out. | ||
| In the same way that Alex Jones does sensational bullshit in order to get you to buy his... | ||
| Supplements. | ||
| Kanye's doing that. | ||
| Like, the slavery comment that he made is horribly offensive, but he did that because everyone would talk about it, and he had an album coming out. | ||
| He does this sort of shit all the fucking time. | ||
| Who cares? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Manny Fresh would never do something like that. | ||
| I bet he would. | ||
| No, he wouldn't. | ||
| Nah, I bet he would. | ||
| He's an artist. | ||
| So, we're done. | ||
| Had he made My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy? | ||
| Better. | ||
| How dare you? | ||
| He did. | ||
| How dare you, sir? | ||
| He did... | ||
| He's never done anything that even compares to Runaway. | ||
| That's bullshit. | ||
| I do like Runaway. | ||
| It's an amazing song. | ||
| I think Runaway is the pinnacle of Kanye. | ||
| That's a crazy thing to say. | ||
| I know I'm wrong, but I stand by it. | ||
| That's fine. | ||
| We're not going to get into this. | ||
| We're not going to solve this tonight. | ||
| As the kids say, don't at me. | ||
| Oh, we've lost our minds, haven't we? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What is that song? | ||
| Shine? | ||
| No, that's not Shine. | ||
| It's that song... | ||
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Should I just wait in the other room until you're done with this? | |
| We got one more minute. | ||
| Full last call. | ||
| Too bad broad screaming alcohol. | ||
| I don't remember what song that is, but it's the best. | ||
| That's the best big-timer song of all time. | ||
| One thing that I love about your... | ||
| Hip-hop fandom is how complex and interesting the lyric structure that you always throw out is. | ||
| That's good stuff. | ||
| You stick with the soggy bottom. | ||
| No, no. | ||
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Ooh. | |
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| Never mind. | ||
| Pass. | ||
| Pass. | ||
|
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I'm out. | |
| Trying to bring a brother into this? | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| I'm out. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Never mind. | ||
| Let's get through this. | ||
| So we have one more clip from Tea Party Day. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I'll say... | ||
| Doesn't bring up Tea Party? | ||
| Once. | ||
| Not once. | ||
| Seems like if it was in 40 cities nationwide... | ||
| Zero times. | ||
| And it was... | ||
| It's almost like the mainstream media in America really not talking at all about how there's a prison strike going on currently. | ||
| Strange. | ||
| Yeah, it's almost the same way. | ||
| Alex is kind of giving an ignoring... | ||
| It should be something he covers. | ||
| And he doesn't. | ||
| He's even been, like, warned. | ||
| He's been brought up on his show a couple days before. | ||
| He doesn't do any coverage of it. | ||
| Doesn't bring it up once, but he does have someone by the name of Barbara Lowe Fisher on the show. | ||
| Now, she is a very relevant... | ||
| And when I mean relevant, I mean in that world. | ||
| She's the heiress to the Fisher-Price Foundation, right? | ||
| Incorrect. | ||
| No. | ||
| She's not like toys. | ||
| She does have a concern about something that involves children, and that is vaccination. | ||
| She's a very big anti-vaxxer. | ||
| This is still in 2009, right? | ||
| Oh yeah, Alex was always on that anti-vaxx tip. | ||
| Man, you guys gotta stop that. | ||
| He's always, he's, like, from the jump. | ||
| He came out the womb anti-vaxx. | ||
| I really don't think that's a good idea. | ||
| It's not good. | ||
| Somebody give him smallpox. | ||
| I mean it. | ||
| Just a little bit of smallpox. | ||
| What about mousepox? | ||
| Can't give him mousepox. | ||
| Cowpox. | ||
| Can give him cowpox. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| You're right, actually. | ||
| Medically speaking, you are right. | ||
|
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I know! | |
| You didn't know that. | ||
| I probably knew that. | ||
| That's a lucky guess. | ||
| Fuck you. | ||
| I don't care to talk about her interview too much because it's the same standard anti-vax nonsense. | ||
| I just want to play this clip because it's so disqualifying. | ||
| Like, the fact that she's making this argument, she's coming onto Alex's show to talk about anti-vaccination stuff, and the fact that this is a piece of her narrative means that she doesn't know anything. | ||
| Vaccines are made out of bees! | ||
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If the vaccines are as effective as the companies said they are, and the government has said they are, then you should have them vaccinated, should have nothing to fear from the unvaccinated, and there shouldn't be such an issue about forcing people to get vaccinated if they don't want to. | |
| That doesn't track. | ||
| At all. | ||
| That doesn't track even the slightest bit. | ||
| It's such an indication that she has no fucking idea what she's talking about. | ||
| Now, to anybody who hasn't heard the times, we've broken this down a hundred times before, there are people who can't be vaccinated. | ||
| Like, for example, pregnant women can't get vaccines. | ||
| Or people who just, their bodies reject the vaccines. | ||
| It's not a perfect science, and there's a lot of people who are at risk. | ||
| Like, there is a very real possibility of bringing polio back into the mainstream conversation. | ||
|
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Nah, nah. | |
| It's possible. | ||
| The vaccinated have nothing to fear from the unvaccinated, damn. | ||
| If we lived in a world where everybody could get vaccinated who wanted to, perhaps you're correct. | ||
| Perhaps that is correct. | ||
| And that's why it's an appealing argument to people who don't understand the details of it. | ||
| It's crazy to me. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| Like, if you are an anti-vax person, you can't make this argument because you look like a fucking idiot. | ||
| It means that you don't know the basic science behind vaccines. | ||
| Well, if there's one thing I know about viruses, it's that they never change or adapt to any kind of treatment. | ||
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No. | |
| That's something that everybody has known about viruses from the very beginning. | ||
| That as long as we got one... | ||
| We're done! | ||
| That's the old viral slogan. | ||
| One and done. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Remember when FDR had polio? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| That's the end of that sentence. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So we're now done with the Tea Party day. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Didn't bring it up. | ||
| No. | ||
| And so when I was listening to that, I was like, that's pretty fucked up. | ||
| He spent the entire day that the Tea Party was happening. | ||
| I mean, that's Friday. | ||
| He's on air for four hours. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He could have done it at any point. | ||
| Should have known. | ||
| Instead, he just brings in Steve Shank to talk about the economy when he sells weird freeze-dried food. | ||
| You got shanked! | ||
| He brings in Bob Chapman to talk about shorting stocks. | ||
| Get them chapped lips out! | ||
| Brings in this diamond Janine Roberts lady to talk about. | ||
| Again, she has some fine points, but all he really wants to talk about is how she got beat up and told not to make the film, which she, in the interview, says, nah, it didn't happen. | ||
| Do you know who she's married to? | ||
| Lord Diamond Dallas Page. | ||
| Her last name is Roberts. | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| You should have said Lord Jake the Snake Roberts. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| No, because you started with this diamond lady. | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| Also, Diamond Dallas Page was out at All In last night. | ||
|
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Really? | |
| As we're recording this. | ||
| I have no idea what that means. | ||
| Here in Chicago, there was a big independent pro wrestling event. | ||
| It's very important to the world of wrestling. | ||
|
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Sure. | |
| Wait, it was in Chicago? | ||
| Yeah, it was at the Sears Center. | ||
| He's got to be like 50. Yeah, but he's doing great. | ||
| He's now the master of Diamond Dallas Page yoga, DDP yoga. | ||
| He saved a bunch of wrestlers' lives by getting them sober and into yoga. | ||
| He's awesome. | ||
| That's actually the coolest. | ||
| That's actually great? | ||
| Yeah, he is. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Is there a downside to that? | ||
| I feel like he's great. | ||
| If anyone who's listening to this hasn't done this, I recommend everybody. | ||
| Just Google DDP. | ||
| No one has done this. | ||
| We have a lot of wrestling fans. | ||
| Okay, fair enough. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| But if you haven't, and you want to get inspired, Google, not Google, go on YouTube and look up DDP Yoga. | ||
| There's a number of like... | ||
| Profoundly inspirational stories of people who have severe injuries, or they were super overweight, but they loved Diamond Dallas Page, so they decided to try his yoga, and then they lose so much weight, get mobility back. | ||
| It's crazy how... | ||
| He's helping people. | ||
| That's fantastic. | ||
| And there's no cult element involved with it? | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| I think he's pretty chill about it. | ||
| Do not search... | ||
| DP Yoga. | ||
| No, don't do that. | ||
| Add the D. DDP Yoga. | ||
| Also, Scott Hall. | ||
| Also, don't add the D in that. | ||
| All right, never mind. | ||
| Scott Hall is one of the best pro wrestling minds of all time. | ||
| He was a member with Kevin Nash. | ||
| He was the Outsiders. | ||
| The two of them were like, they revolutionized wrestling. | ||
|
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Sure. | |
| They were WWF guys. | ||
| And then they went over to the WCW. | ||
| And in doing so, pretended that they were invading the WCW. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| And then... | ||
| Well, the World Wildlife Federation has always wanted to do that. | ||
| This is before the lawsuit. | ||
| So, but the storyline of them coming in as outsiders who came in to wreak havoc... | ||
| The whole time they were like, we got a third guy who's on the inside, and then it was revealed to be Hulk Hogan, and it became the NWO. | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| It was one of the biggest, like, coolest things in wrestling in the 90s. | ||
| Yeah, I recall Hulk doing stuff. | ||
| So Scott Hall, afterwards, like, much later in his life, got fucking strung out on everything, and a horrible alcoholic on the brink of death. | ||
| Like, you can watch some matches that he did in independent circuits, where he just was like, Wobbling on his feet. | ||
| It's embarrassing that they let him do this. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Did somebody jump off the top rope and then he grabbed his brown bag and looked at it and then tossed it into the garbage can? | ||
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Might as well. | |
| But it's so much sadder. | ||
| He was going to die. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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And DDP came in, got him some yoga. | |
| He was unable to get sober through all of his life. | ||
| And now he's a pretty healthy dude. | ||
| Really? | ||
| He brought him back from the brink of death. | ||
| And there's other guys. | ||
| Jake the Snake's another one who does DVD yoga. | ||
| It's awesome. | ||
| I don't know if it's awesome, but the stories are amazing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Now, the only reason this all has come up is because all in, last night, this is biggest independent wrestling thing. | ||
| They sold out the Sears Center. | ||
| Like, it's crazy. | ||
| No shit! | ||
| Wow! | ||
| That's a big deal. | ||
| In 20 minutes. | ||
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Jesus! | |
| Like, no independent wrestling thing has ever done something that huge. | ||
| So it's... | ||
| I'm gonna have to try yoga. | ||
| The only reason that DDP is involved at all is because he was part of the entourage. | ||
| Cody Rhodes, he was in a match for the NWA championship. | ||
| And Cody brought DDP, Glacier... | ||
| I can't remember who the other guy was. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| But as his entourage, and in the middle of the match, DDP gave someone a diamond cutter. | ||
| Of course! | ||
| It was awesome. | ||
| If DDP shows up, he's going to give a diamond cutter. | ||
| I didn't watch the whole thing, but I saw that gif, and I loved it. | ||
| Oh, Tommy Dreamer was the other guy in his entourage. | ||
| ECW standout Tommy Dreamer. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Let's stop this. | ||
|
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Great work. | |
| Oh, man. | ||
| Why not do this? | ||
| Last time when you went on the rolling tangent, you got a plus one. | ||
| This time you get a negative one. | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| We're back at even. | ||
| Yeah, but All In gets a plus one for achieving something. | ||
| Anyway. | ||
| DDP gets a plus one. | ||
| Yeah, dude, that diamond cutter. | ||
| Smooth, smooth, even now as a 50-year-old band. | ||
| Anyway, I thought to myself, after listening to the 27th, I thought to myself, like, well... | ||
| Maybe Alex didn't realize the importance of this, and only would know in hindsight. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So that was on Friday. | ||
| Maybe his Sunday show is going to be like, holy shit, I didn't realize people were going to turn out in 40 cities, and maybe there was going to be like, I'm going to pretend I was on board, even though I was busy on Friday. | ||
| No, I remember Fox News had like... | ||
| Round-the-clock coverage of people being on there. | ||
| They had people remotely on the scene. | ||
| Hiding the fact that there were like four guys there. | ||
| They put a camera with a zero focus on the four guys. | ||
| And so I was like, I gotta at least check in on the first. | ||
| And boy, I'll tell you what. | ||
| Not a whole lot. | ||
| Alex admits that he has land from a Mexican land grant. | ||
| I don't know what to feel about that. | ||
| I don't know how that works. | ||
| I don't know if that's bad or weird. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I reflexively don't like it, and I don't understand it. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| That's exactly how I feel. | ||
| I tried to look into it, and I still don't know. | ||
| I still don't know how I feel. | ||
| Beyond that, Alex says that back in the day, presidents would leave after eight years and go back to their farms, but Obama's not going to do that. | ||
| As we look at it from 2018, it seems like he's metaphorically gone back to his farm. | ||
| Yeah, but he doesn't have a farm, so he can't really do that. | ||
| Well, the last one who did was Carter. | ||
| And he didn't even go back to his peanut farm. | ||
| He went to help other people build their own farms. | ||
| He disinvested himself from his peanut farm, which literally was peanuts compared to what Donald Trump is doing. | ||
| But what Alex is sort of metaphorically saying is that... | ||
| When his term is up, he's not going anywhere. | ||
| He loves being in power. | ||
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He's going to be the commander in exile. | |
| Perpetuity. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And he went away. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| And the metaphor there is real rough when we consider what Trump is going to have after he gets out of office. | ||
| There's no way he... | ||
| Or he ever gets out of office. | ||
| It's amazing how quickly he's going to lose all of his money. | ||
| The only thing he has right now is... | ||
| Access and influence. | ||
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And the fact that he can't be indicted because he's the president. | |
| Yeah, because everybody hates him. | ||
| Like, the moment that he doesn't have access and influence, no one is going to give a shit about him. | ||
| Yeah, it could be, like, real devastating. | ||
| Yeah, he has to stay the president, otherwise he's going to go broke. | ||
| Oh my god, it's almost like how dictators happen. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| Anyway, I was like, dude, are you going to talk about this? | ||
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Right. | |
| And so he starts taking callers. | ||
| I'm like, maybe one of the callers is going to bring it up. | ||
| Got it. | ||
| When you talk to folks up there in the military, are they waking up? | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| I've got one guy that sits here and fights me on, you know, the difference between creation and evolution. | ||
| It's all evolution. | ||
| Oh, really? | ||
| Then why is everything that they've always shown has always been false? | ||
| But yet, when he sits there and he watches your shows, he has nothing to say. | ||
| I even asked him the other night. | ||
| I was like, what do you think about this stuff? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| He says, you know, you're just sitting here, you're showing them their own documents like you always preach. | ||
| Their own documents. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| So like civilian inmate labor camp program, Army.mil, secret FEMA camps built. | ||
| Now they admit it with Americans already in them. | ||
| God bless you, my friend. | ||
| Second hour straight ahead after the news and important announcements. | ||
| Stay with us. | ||
| So, I mean, like, okay, he's taking a call and this guy's like, I got some friends who don't fucking believe you, even though you put up all the documents, you prove everything. | ||
| Which Alex doesn't. | ||
| That's just what he says and his listeners repeat it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then he brings up the civilian labor camp stuff and like, man, that is real. | ||
| But that's more about the private prison industry. | ||
| Like, that one... | ||
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That's more... | |
| No, no, no. | ||
| That's about the entire prison industry. | ||
| Like, that's a big issue. | ||
|
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Yep. | |
| How is it that the constitutional amendment that was like... | ||
| No slavery was like, no slavery, but like if you put people in jail, you get some slavery. | ||
| If you put a charge on them, now they're slaves. | ||
| Which definitely doesn't kind of, that kind of makes you, there's like an incentive to put people in prison who maybe shouldn't be in their prison. | ||
| So that is real. | ||
| You know, like, that part's real. | ||
| No, that's a huge issue. | ||
| Then Alex immediately brings up the FEMA camps, which isn't real. | ||
| And then he says they admit there's already Americans in those FEMA camps. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And that's even further not real. | ||
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Right. | |
| So he's responding to this guy being like, hey, I try and get my friend to love your shit, even though you prove everything. | ||
| And Alex brings up one thing, kernel of truth, two lies. | ||
| Two lies and a truth, like a party game. | ||
| Still no mention of the tea party. | ||
| He sees an Alex Jones video and goes, I have no idea what he's talking about. | ||
| That is not because he disagrees, or it's more like, what? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Huh? | ||
| Wait, wait, what? | ||
| That doesn't make sense. | ||
| I've studied this asshole for two years, and I still have that response. | ||
| Yeah, there's plenty of times where we're like, wait? | ||
| I have no idea what you're talking about. | ||
| Yeah, he's very confusing. | ||
| Probably intentionally so. | ||
| I would assume so. | ||
| Or he's a paranoid schizophrenic. | ||
| So we have one last clip. | ||
| Although before it I want to say that Alex also on this episode says that in the last year he's gotten 10 billion visits to his website and 170 individual people IP addresses coming to his website. | ||
| Wait, what? | ||
| Which is... | ||
| Too high. | ||
| So in a year, 170 people from IP addresses that are... | ||
| 170 unique user IDs showed up on his website 10 billion times. | ||
| Well, 10 billion hits. | ||
| So, on a daily basis... | ||
| Boy, if you do that math in your head, I'm going to be impressed. | ||
| But I also think that all of it's bullshit. | ||
| It doesn't really matter. | ||
| I mean, 10 billion in a year isn't crazy for, like, really large websites. | ||
| But that's because, like, the top 100 websites, if you look at them, are all places that have aggregates. | ||
| Like, places like IMDB or Google or Facebook or Twitter. | ||
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Right, right, right. | |
| Like, all of those places, those are places that have, like, hundreds of billions of hits. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So, like, 10 billion hits is... | ||
| Absurd. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But it would put him... | ||
| That puts us at each individual person giving something like 1 billion... | ||
| No, no, no. 100 million hits per day? | ||
| No. | ||
| No, no, no. 170 million individuals. | ||
| Oh, I thought you said he had 170 individual IPs. | ||
| I was losing my mind. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
|
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What? | |
| Oh, no, no, no, no. | ||
|
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I thought it was 170 guys doing it. | |
| No. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Wow, that makes way more sense. | ||
| Now listen. | ||
| Because that's one dude doing a lot of clicks. | ||
| I've got the population of a thinly packed bar in Chicago. | ||
| That's my fan base. | ||
| 10 billion hits. | ||
| No, 170 million. | ||
| Okay, that makes way more sense. | ||
| The math works out a little better in terms of them just constantly coming back. | ||
| But 170 million also is ludicrous in terms of, you consider the population of the United States is like, what, 300-something million? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That would essentially be spread out around the world, half of the population of the United States, and I cry dirty pool. | ||
| I say absolutely no way. | ||
| There's no way. | ||
| But I was like, still, that has nothing to do with the Tea Party. | ||
| I need something to be about the Tea Party. | ||
| He gets another caller, like, maybe this will be about the Tea Party? | ||
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You know, I thought you were a kook about two years ago, and now you've won me over completely. | |
| You shouldn't have. | ||
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I have to ask you one question. | |
| What is the underlying foundation for how you become so adroit? | ||
| That's one thing I don't understand. | ||
| Why are you so... | ||
| History. | ||
| History, sir. | ||
| I'm sure you've heard the cliche that the more things change, the more they stay the same, or that those that don't know history are doomed to repeat it, or Lord Acton power tends to corrupt. | ||
| Power corrupts absolutely. | ||
| I happened when I was about 12, 13, 14 to start reading history books because they were much more entertaining than science fiction or Louis L 'Amour. | ||
| Wait, you live in Texas. | ||
| You should love Louis L 'Amour. | ||
| Also, I thought you were six. | ||
| But, like, come on, man. | ||
| That's pathetic. | ||
| He goes on a really long diatribe after that about how great he is and how smart he is because he read all this show when he was young. | ||
| So, no, he doesn't bring it up at all. | ||
| Doesn't bring up the Tea Party at all on this Sunday episode. | ||
| He's not on board. | ||
| That caller might have had the order reversed. | ||
| Like, you shouldn't be 100% on a guy's side before you ask, how do you know all this shit? | ||
| Like, shouldn't your first question be like, why do you know all this shit and then be on his side instead of, like, working backwards? | ||
| You're missing what that guy was trying. | ||
| I mean, he was trying to just hero worship. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It wasn't like, How did this happen? | ||
| It wasn't that. | ||
| It was like, why are you so smart? | ||
| Even if you're trying to worship somebody. | ||
| It was like a peon coming to fealty to their lord, more or less. | ||
| And Alex was more than happy to oblige with his standard, I studied things once I was 12. Yeah. | ||
| Like, alright, dude. | ||
| Have you ever read history? | ||
| You've been wrong a hundred times just in the episode we've gone over. | ||
| Like, I know that this is like... | ||
| He's had a hundred... | ||
| Five episodes that we've covered in this episode, but he's been wrong so much over and over again. | ||
| And most of the time, it's based on his lack of reading comprehension. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That is what is the problem. | ||
| Well, last year, he had 10 billion things he was wrong about in only 365 days. | ||
| I don't doubt that at all, actually. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Based on that, yeah. | ||
| A hundred and... | ||
| What would that be? | ||
| Now I'm mad. | ||
| I mean, it depends on how, like... | ||
| How fine-tuned do you want to get about what is wrong? | ||
| Because every time he's wrong, there's probably three reasons he's wrong. | ||
| Yeah, that's a good point. | ||
| It becomes a fractal. | ||
| That's a good point. | ||
| A fractal of wrongness. | ||
| It's the golden number is what it is. | ||
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Yeah, exactly. | |
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So, Jordan, this brings us to the end of this investigation of 2009. | ||
| I'm fucking glad we finally got through this. | ||
| Because, boy, I'll tell you what. | ||
| We put it off a bit, and I feel bad that our listeners kept teasing it and what have you. | ||
| But I'm glad that we finally got to the Tea Party. | ||
| Now the new adventure... | ||
| What do you mean we finally got to it? | ||
| He hasn't even addressed it yet. | ||
| I'm talking about the literal date. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| We've gotten to the date of the Tea Party breaking out. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Now the new adventure becomes, how long does it take him... | ||
| For him to catch it on board. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| How long does it take him to realize that Glenn Beck is making a bunch of money off this? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I'm like, I gotta usurp that. | ||
| And then, secondarily, how long does it take him to realize that Bob Chapman brought up Soros on this episode? | ||
| Does that lead to him soon from now bringing up Soros? | ||
| Or all of our narratives that we're trying to figure out, all in play, now that the Tea Party has happened? | ||
| I have no faith that that's the case, but I'm curious. | ||
| You know what's fascinating about this... | ||
| Like, going this far back with this relatively nebulous of a goal here? | ||
| Like, we have a concrete... | ||
| It's not nebulous. | ||
| No, no, no, no, no. | ||
| I agree, but I disagree. | ||
| No, I mean, the concrete narrative is, when does he jump on the tea party? | ||
| Right. | ||
| The nebulous investigation is, when does he jump on the Soros tip? | ||
| But that could also be pretty concrete. | ||
| It could be, but we don't know when it's going to be. | ||
| So say he doesn't jump on Soros until 2011. | ||
| Are we going to do a 2009 to 2011 investigation? | ||
| I'm perfectly happy to. | ||
| I know you are, and that's concerning to me. | ||
| But I also think it's going to be much sooner than that. | ||
| No, I like it when you go outside, Dan, and it seems like that's a... | ||
| I like the outdoors. | ||
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But look, I love camping. | |
| Harold Camping, the Doomsday Preacher. | ||
| I hate camping. | ||
| Yeah, I've tried to get you to go camping. | ||
| I mean, I didn't go, but I suggested that we should be great. | ||
| I'll teach you to fish. | ||
| I won't even eat it. | ||
| I'll just catch it. | ||
| I will eat it. | ||
| I'll catch you some fish. | ||
| I've been out there. | ||
| I know how to throw a stick. | ||
| I feel like this is a weird level of our relationship that I don't know. | ||
| Now, listen. | ||
| If it takes that long, it takes that long. | ||
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Okay. | |
| But I honestly don't think it will. | ||
| Because 2009... | ||
| Roundabout where we are is a pretty serious flashpoint for George Soros becoming an enemy of Putin. | ||
| Right. | ||
| In the same way, in 2014, it was another flashpoint. | ||
| Those are two pretty seriously demarcated times when Soros was meddling, as they would put it, in Russian affairs by trying to give support to free speech movements. | ||
| Those states that used to be part of the Soviet bloc. | ||
| When he was like, you shouldn't kill journalists on your birthday! | ||
| In 2014 it revolved largely around Ukraine, but before that it involved a number of other states. | ||
| So the theory that it could happen in two... | ||
| I think there's zero chance that it doesn't happen pretty soon. | ||
| Yeah, you think so? | ||
| I do. | ||
| I do. | ||
| And maybe I'm being pushed in that direction by the idea that Bob is bringing it up. | ||
| Because I think Bob is also beholden to the same propaganda sources that Alex is. | ||
| So the fact that he's bringing it up leads me to believe that it's going to trickle downhill to Alex pretty quick. | ||
| I would be interested to know when, because based on the way that the Tea Party thing has gone, it seems like he's a bandwagoner who insists that he's been there the whole time. | ||
| Big time. | ||
| He's a poser. | ||
| I would be interested to know when the bandwagon got on the Soros tip. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| I believe that Glenn Beck did an embarrassing report about him. | ||
| I think it was in early 2010. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But I think that Alex... | ||
| I really don't think that he was on at first. | ||
| It might not be the case, but... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| We'll see. | ||
| We'll see. | ||
| I mean, I love that we have mysteries in front of us. | ||
| I think that, like, we all kind of hoped that we'd get to the tea party day and we'd see, like, actionable results. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| But I honestly think this is better. | ||
| The fact that he had no interest in it. | ||
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Right. | |
| It was just, nope. | ||
| Because I think it might take him a little bit longer to get on board with this. | ||
| I think it might take him even, like, weeks or months. | ||
| Well, because ostensibly he's still, at this point, trying to... | ||
| Posture as a libertarian. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And so the Tea Party movement, while pretending to be libertarian, is essentially purely Republican white racism. | ||
| But he doesn't know that. | ||
| No. | ||
| Well, I think anybody who saw it knew it. | ||
| I don't think he knows that. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I think what it's going to take is he's going to get... | ||
| And I've been wrong a bunch of times. | ||
| But I think my... | ||
| I haven't. | ||
| My prediction on the ground right now is that... | ||
| He starts to notice that Ron Paul is pretty Tea Party adjacent. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And he starts to see people gaining traction from it. | ||
| And he starts to see a lot of his worldview getting popular. | ||
| And he's like, I'm not making money on this. | ||
| There's money on the table. | ||
| I should already be this. | ||
| And then he retcons it to say he was there from the jump. | ||
| So you think Ron Paul is an Arpez dispenser? | ||
| A Ron Paul of the Elders of Zion? | ||
| You fucking lost me. | ||
| Nah, never mind. | ||
| I'm out. | ||
| What? | ||
| I tried. | ||
| I tried to condense it into... | ||
| Never mind. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Let's let that one go. | ||
| But I will agree with you, even though I don't understand what you're saying. | ||
| That's fine. | ||
| Anyway, we'll see what happens in the future, but I'm glad we're through this leg of the woods. | ||
| This has been fun. | ||
| We have a website. | ||
| It's called knowledgefight.com. | ||
| Do we? | ||
| We do. | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
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Yep. | |
| Do we have a Facebook? | ||
| We have a Facebook. | ||
| Do we have a Facebook group? | ||
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We do. | |
| It's called Go Home and Tell Your Mother You're Brilliant. | ||
| We're also on Twitter. | ||
| Are we? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| It's Ad Knowledge, right? | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| And then you can probably find us on iTunes. | ||
| I tried to get us on Stitcher, but it's too complicated. | ||
| I'm confused by the directions. | ||
| And also, I've heard a bunch of reports from people who've tried to use Stitcher that it's not very helpful for podcasters. | ||
| So, I don't know if that's true, but I've heard that feedback, and maybe I'm against getting on it. | ||
| I apologize. | ||
| And also, in any situation, we are not proactive towards expanding our listener base. | ||
| Also, we can't get on certain things. | ||
| Like, we legit can't. | ||
| Like, there are a couple... | ||
| Well, we definitely can't get on the Storm podcast website. | ||
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No, no, no. | |
| There's a couple distribution networks for podcasts that we can't get on because they would absolutely flag us for, like, copyrighted content. | ||
| Like, this is fair use that we're just using Alex's clips and stuff like that. | ||
| But whenever he plays the tracks and that kind of stuff... | ||
| Yeah, the music and stuff like that. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| That's a good point. | ||
| We would end up running afoul of... | ||
| Like Apple Music. | ||
| That seems unfair. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, that's not our fault. | ||
| We didn't do it. | ||
| Yep, I know. | ||
| Go after him. | ||
| That's what they should do, but he probably has a contract. | ||
| Yeah, I'm sure. | ||
| But anyway, Jordan, this has been fun going through 2009 with you, but there's one thing that we should not forget, and that is that even back then, he knows something, and that is that he probably killed a dude. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first time caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your work. |