On July 22, 2011, Alex Jones falsely claimed Norway’s Breivik attacks—a bombing and island massacre killing 77—were a "false flag" (98% staged) or "white Al-Qaeda," ignoring his own anti-Muslim rhetoric. Dan Friesen and Jordan Holmes expose Breivik’s manifesto, packed with toxic masculinity, steroid-fueled aggression, and Gamergate-like grievances, mirroring Jones’ conspiracy theories about globalists. Both exploit propaganda to stoke fear, with Jones later repurposing the attack to justify white victimhood while dismissing systemic issues like private prisons. The episode underscores how extremist ideologies thrive when debate collapses into emotional outrage over reality. [Automatically generated summary]
I just wanted to step in real quick before we start the actual episode, because there's something going on here in Chicago, Illinois, that I would like to draw everyone's attention to.
This episode's coming out on Monday, but on Tuesday night, if you are in Chicago, if you're one of our listeners who's in Chicago, I would like to very strongly recommend that you consider coming out on Tuesday night to At North Bar.
I don't know, I think it starts at 8.
Who knows?
Look it up.
Maybe show up at like 7.30.
That's the safest way to do it.
There is an awesome show that's going on there.
Dear friends of the show, Far Out and I9, a couple of great rappers, are going to be in town doing a show there.
Jordan and I will both be out in attendance having a great time.
There's going to be some comedians who are friends of the show.
People like Matt Riggs.
People like Joe Fernandez.
He's not been on the show, but he has been invited.
Now I'm getting petty.
He's too busy.
But it's going to be a great show.
If you are considering something to do on Tuesday night, it starts early, so if you have to go to work on Wednesday, still an option for you.
If you want to come, we'd all love to see you there.
There's a lot of talent on that lineup.
It's going to be an amazing show.
Please consider coming.
But beyond that, please get ready to have a very heavy episode of the podcast thrust into your ears.
Today we've got a very interesting episode to go over, but before we get to it, what I would like to do is I'd like to give a shout-out to a couple of new donors who signed up with the team.
Very excited about this.
First, I'd like to say thank you to a new policy wonk.
Never heard anyone implore Paul Joseph Watson to go full tilt boogie on something.
And actually, given the circumstances, I think that is very, very tacky.
So I guess what we should do is just go ahead and start the episode, and then we can discuss why this is a date that someone, especially someone from Scandinavia, would send us.
So if you didn't pick up on this, if you're not picking up the pieces, July 22nd, 2011 is the day that Anders Breivik committed one of the worst terrorist attacks in Western European history, a series of terrorist attacks across Norway.
Right.
To give you a little bit of a quick breakdown of the relevant details, on July 22nd, 2011, Anders Breivik killed 77 people in two separate terrorist attacks in Norway, representing the fifth deadliest terrorist attack ever in Western Europe.
At 1525 Central European summertime, which is 3.15 p.m., he set off a car bomb outside 3.15 p.m. our time.
No, their time.
It would have been 8 a.m. our time, 8.15, 8.25 a.m. our time.
Excuse me.
He set off a car bomb outside a government building that housed the office of the Prime Minister of Norway.
The bomb he used was intentionally very similar to the one used by Timothy McVeigh at Oklahoma City.
Eight people were killed and 209 were injured.
Approximately 90 minutes later, Brevek arrived at the Norwegian Labor Party's Youth League camp on Utoya Island, having taken a ferry there while disguised as a police officer.
Brevek quickly killed the camp director and security officer, at which point he had over an hour to terrorize the people on the island before emergency services could arrive.
Though Oslo police were alerted two minutes after the first shot, their response time was greatly increased by the fact that they did not have a police helicopter, which could have taken them directly to the island.
Twice during his rampage, Brevik called the police and tried to surrender, but ended up hanging up both times.
It appears that he was toying with the police because he continued killing people in between the calls and after.
Campers attempted to escape by swimming off the island, but a number of them were shot in the water by Brevik as he screamed, quote, you will die today, Marxists.
By the time the Norway police arrived, he had killed 69 people, 50 of whom were 18 years of age or younger, and he had injured 110.
When the police arrived, Brevek dropped his weapons and immediately surrendered.
When the police arrived, the terrified campers begged the officers not to kill them, since the original attack had been carried out by someone in a policeman's uniform.
Initially, there were reports of an accomplice being arrested because the police wrongly arrested Anzor Jukaev, a 17-year-old victim.
The rationale was that his haircut was different than it was on his ID, and they felt that his response to the attack was different than the rest of the people there.
He didn't cry or freak out because as a child, he'd witnessed the massacres in Chechnya and likely had some form of PTSD.
Right, so they arrested him and reports sort of were circling, and Alex is going to get into that, the idea that there were multiple shooters, which is based on this false arrest that the police put out and accidentally made.
Thankfully, they at least did release him hours later, but still, very, very dicey.
So Brevek immediately confessed to the bombing and the shootings, but refused to accept that he was wrong to do what he had done, calling it necessary.
Though initially deemed criminally insane, a follow-up report by psychologists declared him sane, and he was tried and sentenced to 21 years in prison.
But the good news about that is once his sentence is up, they can just indefinitely extend it forever.
So that's the way the legal system apparently works in Norway, where 21 years for terrorism and murder is the highest sentence they can give.
At his trial, he spoke clearly and with conviction about how what he did was not wrong and how he had an absence of remorse.
He declared himself a modern-day Knight Templar who was resisting the invading Muslims.
Brevek showed a complete lack of remorse, but he did make one apology.
In court, he apologized that he had not killed more people.
Six hours before the attack, Brevik posted a video on YouTube, including a picture of him in military uniform decorated with many medals he had not earned.
In fact, he was deemed unfit for service and was never in the military.
In the video, he depicts Islam as a Trojan horse coming to destroy Europe.
If there's ever been a more open and shut case as it relates to right-wing racist terrorism, I'm not sure I've ever seen it.
Every single aspect of Brevek's planning could be confirmed down to the front companies he established so it wouldn't raise suspicion when he bought masses of fertilizer to make his bomb.
After being sentenced, Brevik offered to provide information about the other cells of his alleged terrorist network, cells that probably didn't exist.
But his offer was rejected, citing completely impossible demands he was making, indicating that he, quote, doesn't know how society works.
It turns out he offered the information on the condition that Norwegian and European societies be overthrown.
In 2013, he threatened to go on a hunger strike if the prison did not give him a PlayStation 3 to replace his PlayStation 2, because the PlayStation 3 had better games.
In 2014, he threatened that he would starve himself to death if refused, quote, access to a sofa and a bigger gym, and again complained about the selection of video games he was provided.
He complained in court that he was beginning to enjoy the reality show Paradise Hotel, which he claimed was proof that he had become brain damaged.
Honestly, his life in prison sounds a little bit better than mine.
The attacks began at 8.25 a.m. Austin time.
The police arrived at Utoya Island at 11.25 Austin time, at which point Brevik immediately surrendered.
Alex's show starts at 11 a.m. Austin time and concludes at 3 p.m.
There's no reason for him not to know a good deal of information about what happened.
Because a lot of this information, while there were misreporting in terms of that second possible shooter, a lot of the stuff had already happened by the time he got on air.
A lot of it was unfolding.
And so we should hold him to a higher standard of speculation on this episode.
So that is what happened on July 22nd, 2011.
And now we shall see how Alex covers this.
And then I have a whole bunch more information coming up later from some really, really dark research that I ended up having to do for this episode.
So essentially, what we're going to do is listen to a white supremacist find any possible way to imagine that this act is not terrorism done by a white supremacist.
I will say that this episode does end up getting pretty damning just in terms of Alex's journalistic integrity, in terms of some parallels that we'll be able to draw as this goes on.
And just Alex's clear, like, I don't think that he's does, I don't think that his reporting on this episode is bad because he's trying to defend a white supremacist.
Yeah.
I think he just doesn't know what's going on and is making shit up.
Gotcha.
Like, I think that he's just creating a narrative that fits what he talks about as opposed to it being like, you'll see as this goes along.
He's kept in solitary confinement to a certain extent because they don't want him to set up a cell in prison or something like that, which is a pretty legitimate concern considering he's one of the worst terrorists ever.
Right.
And clearly, I'll get to why I know this down the line, but he'd been planning this for at least since 2002.
The idea that he would end up getting into a prison population and probably hooking up with people and trying to get some scheme going, it seems very likely.
So he's kept in solitary confinement, but because solitary confinement is so cruel, it is technically torture by the UN Human Rights Commission, I believe.
And so one of the things that they have to do to accommodate the fact that they can't allow him to be around other people is that they have three cells that he's in.
He has three cells.
One is like a study that he has.
One is a gym, and one is his sleeping cell.
And he has this PlayStation that he's allowed to play games on.
He has an electric typewriter.
For a while, he had a computer, but not allowed to be hooked up to the internet.
So now let's jump back into the episode and let Alex lay out what his initial thoughts are.
And again, this attack, I apologize that I fumbled up the time differences and stuff like that at the beginning, but the attack began at 8.25 a.m. Austin time, Central Standard Time in the United States.
He's doing a lot of work in terms of trying to associate unrelated things to this event in order to further his argument, which is baseless, entirely baseless, that this is the battlefield.
Well, I will say that doing the research to get this episode together was one of the most six of one, half dozen of the other kind of experiences because I do like digging into stuff.
I like having a topic to learn about and understand.
But also, it turns out that this one is not something that's incredibly fun to understand.
And they'll probably have some mentally ill patches that were involved in this that they blame, who'll be completely drugged up with the rest of their lives in prison.
This guy's very confusing, and it's tough to nail down, and I'll do my best to explain all of it in due time.
But he's against Hitler and the Nazis before the attack because if they hadn't tried to do this genocide that they did, and he is not a Holocaust denier at all, which I found very strange.
He thinks that because of their actions, the blowback from it created the multiculturalism and the political correct society that he is so against.
So he doesn't hate Hitler for the reasons you should.
He hates him because the aftermath of it has created the world that we live in today, where there's a plurality of people's rights and things like that.
And there's the idea that people should be able to live together in peace.
But he's also it's tough to unpack if he hates like Chinese or black people or things like that.
He's just because he's singularly focused on Muslims.
Yeah.
So there there is probably a lot of bigotry underneath, but the more you dig into him and like read things that people who knew him before would say, like past co-workers.
Even if the people blew themselves up in the cars, they will find the passports undamaged, and that will be considered the immaculate invincible passport made out of antimantium steel that Thor's hammer is made out of.
So Alex is going out on a limb and saying this is Muslim terrorists and they were abetted by the government and probably blew themselves up in the car.
All of these predictions, completely wrong.
All of this is him getting on air immediately and creating a narrative that is irresponsible and based on nothing other than his quote-unquote gut or whatever, his deep research that he does.
He's like, every time it's stuff like this.
And it's not.
It's absolutely not.
Like right now, today, we are in a situation where in 2018, we're recording this on Sunday.
There was a mass shooting this morning in Jacksonville.
In the same way that we don't have all the details while we're recording this, it would be irresponsible for us to decide who did it and create some sort of a storyline out of that.
But anytime he minimizes tragedy the way that he does, like, after any of these mass shootings, after any of that shit where all of these people die, and he turns them into props that might as well be fucking mannequins.
Yeah, and I'm sorry to bring this into your life, but I do think by the time we get to the end of this, you'll understand much more fully why I think that this is like as much as I'm mad at Sony for making me learn about this and you hear about this, I think that I'm overwhelmed by how much I appreciate her pointing us in this direction and saying, like, hey, what happened that day?
Because I think that we can highlight something that is very demonstrative of a big, big problem about Alex Jones that I think that we have tipped the iceberg of, perhaps, but I don't think that we've necessarily dealt with in the way that we should, and we're going to over the course of this episode.
So you hit the nail right on the head that he seems to enjoy this a bit.
Like at the beginning of the episode, the first clip we played, he was talking about the shooting and the bombing with tones of kind of like almost excitement about it.
There's total chaos.
He's doing like a announcer-y voice about it, and that continues into this next clip.
I really think he's relishing the fact that there is some sort of tragedy that doesn't touch him.
And then you see him bringing up Oklahoma City again.
He's trying to anchor those thoughts in your mind.
The idea that there was a car bombing that went off, he's making it.
And unfortunately, there are similarities to Oklahoma City.
And I know from researching this that he knew about Oklahoma City and was inspired in terms of his planning by what Timothy McVeigh did.
And he was frustrated by the fact that he had done it because it made it much more difficult to get the bomb supplies that he needed to get in order to make his truck bomb.
Right.
Because people realized at that point, oh, shit, this fertilizer, let's make sure we keep track of who's buying a ton of this for no reason.
So he lamented the idea that the crackdowns had happened since Oklahoma.
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He hates Timothy McVeigh the same way he hates the Nazis.
This would come when the total collapse of Europe began.
Next, they'll move to the United States and England.
And right as the banks seize the pension funds, go after the private pension funds, right as they slash benefits but increase taxes, the terror attacks will be staged so that you are distracted by that and rally around the government in fear.
They will also use it to knock off enemies.
They like to kill multiple birds with one stone.
And we're doing research right now on the leader of Norway.
So Alex is correct in one sense in that he's accurately read from reports that it was probable that Anders Breivik was trying to target the Prime Minister of Norway.
And the reason is because he had deemed him a supporter of multiculturalism and someone who is unacceptable.
And a I can't remember, he has three classifications of traitors, class A, B, and C traitors.
I can't remember which one he deemed the president or prime minister of Norway to be, but that was a big target for him.
And additionally, Utoya Island, that youth camp that he targeted, was from the Labour Party, which he also deemed to be a party that supported multiculturalism.
That's why they were a target.
And also, a former politician who he deemed to be one of the big supporters of multiculturalism in Norway's past was scheduled to give a speech there.
And she did go give a speech there, but had already left by the time he got there because he got caught in traffic and shit on the way over to the island.
So the idea that Alex is kind of, I mean, he's wrong about the globalists doing this, but Anders Breivik absolutely was targeting these people for the reason of killing and taking out these political figures who he deemed to be supporters of plurality of race, culture, religion, all those things that he thought was going to destroy Europe.
Take things more seriously that don't directly involve you or you think don't directly involve you.
Because this does.
This absolutely does.
Like, it's.
Yeah.
It's fascinating to me because I always knew about Anders Breivik, and I understood that he was a bigot and committed these crimes and things like that.
But I didn't understand the full picture of it.
And I think that the media did a really terrible job of explaining what he was about and really looking at the full picture.
Because I think once you know some of the stuff that we're going to get into as this goes along, I think that there's you have to face the music in terms of what he was inspired by, what his goals were, the people who were philosophically aligned with him, things like that.
And I think you have to deal with what are the commonalities of rhetoric that are being put out by him and other folks.
And is it safe to say that he is the logical extension of that rhetoric?
You know what I mean?
I think that you really have to wrestle with issues like that, and it's not fun to do.
It's really, really not fun to do, especially at 3:30 in the morning.
So we, in our 2009 investigation, one of my primary goals is to find out when Alex Jones started talking about George Soros.
And so far, as we've gone through 2009, we have not seen any mention of him.
There was one working theory.
I didn't fully believe this, but there was one working theory that it was in 2014 Alex would have jumped on the Soros bandwagon because of Soros' involvement against Putin in Ukraine.
Well, no, there was more that Alex Soros before then would go and party in Russia, and then he was kicked out, wasn't allowed back in the country, from what I understand.
But so that was one working theory.
I didn't think that was necessarily the case, but it was open for a possibility.
And because of this next clip, we now know it was at least before 2011.
Also, we told you this last week because of our sources that you could look for a criminal investigation to be opened by the George Soros Justice Department.
And I'll not say it shouldn't be an investigation, but again, you have Satan investigating Bathomet here.
I mean, this is ridiculous.
James Murdoch denies misleading panel.
Reuters, Bloomberg, News of the World workers are offered jobs in Siberia.
So the old joke, we'll send you to Siberia or the North Pole.
Dow Jones Outpost.
Justice Department prepares subpoenas and News Corps inquiry to feed that, of course, into Soros.
So Alex does dance around a little bit towards this point of the episode where he's kind of like, I've said my piece about Anders Breivik, or he doesn't even know the name or anything about it.
He said his piece about the Norway situation and now sort of dances off into other topics.
But because he wants to fully reinforce his narrative, after complaining about Soros getting his fingers in the pies of the News Corps investigation, whether or not that's true, I have no idea.
Also, you can find plenty of instances of terrorist attacks that have had nothing to do with banker takeovers and stuff like that.
If you want to say that you can point out a few times that there have been countries in financial trouble where terrorist attacks have happened, that doesn't prove anything.
Or even further, perhaps if you are in financial trouble and you see that there is a ruling class that does not share within that financial trouble, it is much more likely that the complete destruction of your life would lead towards an idea of, well, what have I got to lose?
So we're going to continue breaking all of that down.
But I cannot state any more clearly to all of you out there just how big of a deal this is.
Just how huge it is that there have been bombings in Europe because nine times out of ten or more, these bombings in Europe and the United States are completely 100% staged.
Senator Bernie Sanders has released the Fed audit, a partial audit confirming $16 trillion in secret payments to foreign banks and private individuals and companies like MSNBC in the last two years.
But that's why there's no way I didn't believe you that he was a huge fan of Bernie's at the time.
Because the more vehement he is towards somebody now, the more likely it is that in the ⁇ there's a 98% chance that prior to 9 times out of 10 that there's a 100% chance that prior to 2015, everything that he believed was upside-down world.
From my childhood watching SNL sketches, I don't fucking really know if I know the difference between Dana Carvey's impressions of Ross Perot and George H.W. Bush.
Yeah, exactly.
I know that they're different, but at the same time, I'm not sure which one is which.
But if a guy comes to your house and says, at gunpoint, I'm going to get over there, I'm tying you up, and I'm going to rape your wife, just because he has a gun and has taken over your society doesn't mean he has a right to do it.
And we're going to have to gun up.
And even if he ends up shooting us, fall down and grovel and act like we're scared and then grab the gun away.
By the way, I'm not just talking.
I've actually done that growing up in Dallas.
A knife and a gun.
Well, in one case, I didn't grovel one time.
I did.
The other time I just waited and grabbed the thing away.
And, well, I'm not going to get into the rest of it.
But it's in the police files in Dallas and Rockwall.
The point is, is that you don't have a choice.
I'm not going to sit here and watch my family rape.
He left Dallas and Rockwall and moved to Austin in his sophomore year of high school.
So he would have been 15, 16 at the time.
Whatever he's describing could very well be true and in police reports that are closed because he was a minor.
Those aren't accessible to public searches and things like that.
So the idea that when you do some sort of a check on Alex in terms of arrests, warrants, things like that, something doesn't come up, he straight up could have stabbed a dude in a fight when he was a minor, and it's not anywhere on his.
I don't want anybody to do that because I believe in the sanctity of covering up childhood criminal and not because I got arrested or anything like that.
And I also think there's something to be said for the idea of like what he's describing here is possibly self-defense.
So, like, if he did get into a fight with someone who had a knife and he ended up stabbing that guy or something like that with the guy's own knife, I don't think that that's murder.
Although, also, Alex Jones is an unreliable narrator.
I assume he said something like that in the Cowboys locker room.
I'm not sure.
Anyway, in this next clip, the Department of Homeland Security had, previously to this, probably at some point in 2011, maybe even before that, put out some publications, some sort of some indications that they believed that one of the things to be concerned about was homegrown terrorism.
Right.
The idea of white people committing terrorist acts was something that they wanted folks to be on the lookout for.
They responded to Breitbart, Fox News, the Daily Mail, to our story that broke yesterday and was the number six largest story, according to Alexa, on the web yesterday.
It's even bigger today.
Every talk radio show I've tuned into is talking about it and giving InfoWars.com credit.
That's great because more folks will come and find the truth of what's going on in Infowars.com.
But yes, Alex, I do think that you make up a lot of stuff.
And that's a really shitty sort of misunderstanding of what the Department of Homeland Security was trying to express.
Also, it's really funny on this episode where we now know that the terrorist attack in Norway was carried out by a white person who had strictly non-multiculturalist views that inspired him.
Alex is complaining about the United States being like, guys, we should be aware that This is a trend that Norway is a majority white country.
So I'll give you a little bit of information about Janet Phelan.
We'll see if any of this jogs your memory, where you might know her from.
So Janet Phelan's an investigative journalist who largely seems to specialize in bioweapons and has made a career out of arguing that the United States has consistently and wantonly violated biological and chemical weapons treaties.
Her appearance on Alex Jones' show today that we're talking about is largely speculative, arguing that we don't know if the research that the labs are doing in the United States are offensive or defensive.
But she provides nothing to suggest that they are in fact offensive.
It's an appeal to an argument as flimsy as who knows?
Maybe, but there is also, you know, there's papers that come out, there's stories that come out that explain the research that's being done in terms of creating virulent strains of things.
And one of the reasons is because the idea that we aren't the only people who have caches of smallpox, and the idea of it becoming weaponized would destroy the fucking world.
And so the idea is you try and come up with as many inoculations, as many cures that you can, try and find ways around and try to mitigate the damage of it becoming weaponized.
So Janet Phelan has an interesting career behind her.
She writes for and released a book called Exile through a publication called New Eastern Outlook.
Politico describes New Eastern Outlook as, quote, a geopolitical journal published by a government-chartered Russian Academy of Sciences.
And it runs headlines like, quote, Ukraine's Ku Kuk's Klan, NATO's new ally.
As the United States confronted Russian ally Bashar al-Assad for using chemical weapons against Syrian children this spring, the site trumpeted, quote, proof, Turkey did 2013 sarin attack and did this one too.
And quote, exclusive, Trump apologized to Russia for Syrian attack.
The Budapest Beacon said that the New Eastern Outlook is, quote, known to be Kremlin-backed, a Russian propaganda outlet targeting foreign audiences.
An article in Sputnik with the headline, quote, Here's how Putin and Healthy Diet Made Russian Products in China a hit, was based on an article from the New Eastern Outlook.
It is a front for a Russian state think tank, the Academy of Sciences, that puts out pro-Russian propaganda for foreign audiences.
Andrei Vichik, one of the main forces behind New Eastern Outlook, wrote an article in 2015 titled, quote, How to Fight Western Propaganda, where he argues that first they manufacture monstrous lies, and then they tell us we should be objective.
Is love objective?
Is passion?
Are dreams defendable, logical, and philosophically?
Andre goes on to ask, quote, do we counter the tactics and strategy of the destructive and ruthless empire with our honesty, with research, with telling, and writing meticulously investigative facts?
He does not directly answer that question, but it's heavily implied that the answer is no, as he goes on to say, quote, when facing murderous hordes, poetry, emotionally charged songs, and patriotic odes have always been more effective than deep academic studies.
We should try to be as truthful as we can, but our message should often be, quote, abridged, so the billions, not just the selected few, can understand it.
He's one of the main people behind the New Eastern Outlook, and his article here very clearly lays out, like, yeah, we should try and tell the truth, but abridged truth ain't truth, buddy.
Advocating for that is advocating for a murkiness of fact, murkiness of truth.
Yeah, but as a sort of guiding principle for one of the people who's in charge of the New Eastern Outlook, I think that indicates to me that maybe they don't have a hard journalistic editorial stance.
No, so that's the publication that she works for and released a book through, which is a Russian foreign propaganda front that has a dicey relationship with the truth.
So I found the article that he's talking about about the danger of mousepox.
I'm assuming, because it sort of matches his narrative.
It's true that there was an article, and there's a headline in the New York Times that reads, quote, bioterror researchers build a more lethal mousepox.
That is a fucking scary headline, but it seems pretty likely that Alex didn't read the rest of the article.
The article is about how researchers spliced a single gene into the existing mousepox virus that would make it super lethal in an effort to test preventative measures they had concocted, because it's often how we develop protections for humans.
Quote, the scientists said that the results showed that the best defenses proved quite effective in preventing deadly disease, not only in mice, but probably in humans exposed to customized smallpox of similar designs.
But at the same time, thanks, New York Times, for the clickbaityest headline you could possibly make instead of scientists still working to protect you.
So Alex keeps trying to get people scared about the prospect of these diseases like mousepox getting out.
But from the article, quote, the leaders of the research said that the lethal mouse virus would have no effect on humans, even if it somehow escaped from the laboratory, which they said was safeguarded at biosafety level three.
Quote, to my knowledge, there's no scientific evidence to suggest this kind of research poses any sort of human risk, said Mark Buller, a professor of molecular microbiology at St. Louis University, who directed the mousepox research.
Many experiments have shown that mousepox does not cause disease in humans, he said.
Quote, experts said both the threat of such developments and the federal response seem part of a theoretical debate, not something to worry about for now.
They split over whether the research was prudent.
So any kind of arguments that happened in the actual scientific community were like, is this worth it?
And the latest on the Oslo, Norway blast targeting the prime minister's office, massive vehicle bomb report, people trapped, eyewitnesses, total chaos.
Guess what I know from reading his goddamn manifesto?
He bought the guns in Norway legally.
You can buy guns except for automatic weapons in Norway.
They just have some standards, like in terms of if you're going to buy a gun, you need to have some training courses, and you need to give a valid reason for why you would want it.
Some of the reasons that they allow are hunting, sports, recreation, self-defense, or track and field through doing the shot push.
They were at a fucking camp where they're learning, and they're clearly politically motivated because it's a Labor Party political camp.
So they're there.
they're having a good time you got to assume that if they're like a lot of the people were under 18 who were there they're probably fucking nerds yeah You know, like, I don't mean that to be a dig.
Yeah, just to be super clear, if you're listening to this, none of the only reason we are laughing is because this tragedy is just beyond comprehension.
One of the most difficult things when I was planning on how we were going to cover this episode is like, at what point do we get into this?
And I don't know.
I don't know if this is the best time to get into it, but we got it.
This is when we are doing it.
So 90 minutes prior to embarking on the attack, Anders Breivik emailed his 1,518-page manifesto to approximately 1,000 email addresses that he had farmed from European Patriot Facebook accounts.
That's too long.
Spent hours and hours and hours and days farming these email addresses off Facebook accounts because he wanted to try and make contacts within super reactionary, patriot-based European Facebook groups.
The outrageously long document lays out his anti-political correctness, anti-feminism, anti-Islam, and pro-hard-right nationalism clear as day.
It even describes exactly why he committed these terrorist attacks, how he planned the attacks for nine years before carrying them out, and how he lamented that he had to work alone because he couldn't risk anyone else being involved because, you know, you can't risk that sort of thing.
Whether or not they might give up to police, or whether or not it would be a risk for them to know about it when you go through with it.
So I set out to read Anders Breivik's manifesto, and I was immediately overwhelmed by the length.
I braced myself and dug in, but ultimately had to concede there was no way I was ever going to read all this bullshit.
I made it through a couple hundred pages at least, but hundreds of pages go by with rambling complaints about history, ranging from decrying the evils of cultural Marxism to citing crimes Muslims committed in the 1100s as proof that Islam is incompatible with Western democracy.
But though I skimmed some of it, and like I said, I read at least a couple hundred pages of this thing.
You don't need to read this whole document to see shocking parallels with Alex Jones' worldview.
For instance, on page 13, he says, quote, the totalitarian nature of political correctness can be seen on campuses where PC has taken over the college.
Freedom of speech, of the press, and even thought are all eliminated.
Or you can skip to page 29 where you find this, quote, Today, the feminization of European culture moving rapidly since the 1960s continues to intensify.
Indeed, the present-day radical feminist assault through support of mass Muslim immigration has political parallel to their anti-colonial efforts.
This current assault is in part a continuation of a century-old effort to destroy traditional European structures, the very foundation of European culture.
Indeed, the feminization of European culture is nearly completed, and the last bastion of male domination, the police force and military, is under assault.
Brevik decries cultural Marxism as a, quote, quiet revolution propagating a European hate ideology with the goal of destroying Western civilization and which was anti-God, anti-Christian, anti-family, anti-nationalist, anti-patriot, anti-conservative, anti-hereditarian, anti-ethnocentric, anti-masculine, anti-tradition, and anti-morality.
Now, cultural Marxism is this idea, like you could just replace globalists whenever he says cultural Marxism because it's the same idea that Alex Jones puts out into the world.
For those who don't know, cultural Marxism is this idea that classical economic Marxist ideas had to do largely with the redistribution of power, that sort of thing, the redistribution of economic power.
So people who are like really into the cultural Marxist idea is the idea of multiculturalism, feminism, race rights, those sorts of things have to do with a cultural version of Marxism, wherein you're trying to redistribute the power forcefully.
What they're trying to imply is that the idea that everybody should have an equitable existence, wherein there is no domination by any one of these groups of all the others, that is a stealth way of creating that Soviet-era communism, which, again, economic system, the issue was the government system, not the concepts behind, hey,
maybe everybody shouldn't be fucking starving to death.
It was the oligarchy that caused everybody to starve to death, which once again, we live in such.
On page 47, he makes the same argument that Alex does about how their opponents refuse to engage with ideas and just shut them down by calling them bigots.
Quote, all discussion could be sabotaged with the simple technique of shouting slogans, prejudice, myth, racism, Islamophobia.
Take the struggle from the common battlefield of argument into the opponent's camp, his self-esteem as a member of civilized society that abhors ugly things like prejudice and Islamophobia.
Are you recognizing in this manifesto not only everything that represents modern Alex Jones, but also so much that represents the modern-day right?
If one of the soldiers in Anders Breivik's army that he imagines existing, which doesn't, gets arrested, Brevik has a whole speech prepared for them in his manifesto to recite in court.
The speech that he has for them, it includes the Thomas Jefferson quote, the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants, which coincidentally is something Alex Jones says at least once per show.
Probably a coincidence that the other quote that he has in his speech that these people are supposed to read in court is Mark Twain's quote, During a time of change, the patriot is a scarce man.
He's hated and scorned.
When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him.
When it costs nothing to be a patriot, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.
Which, again, is something that Alex says all the fucking time.
These people are using the exact same tropes in terms of pushing their idea of what they want the world to be and how to justify their actions.
Reading through this rambling manifesto, everything is an Alex Jones talking point.
Quote, the patriarchy must be established, a re-established.
Quote, news corporations controlled by cultural Marxist multiculturalists are engaging in full-scale war against cultural conservatism and nationalism.
Quote, for every newborn Muslim in Europe, the cultural Marxist multiculturalists will automatically get one more vote.
As we all know, 98% of Muslims give their votes to multiculturalism.
Quote, demography is king.
Quote, the traditional family is under attack.
It goes on and on to the point where it's hard to see a difference between Brevek and Alex's vision of an ideal society.
Brevik describes his, quote, one, Islam cannot be present.
Two, an ethnic homogeneous people.
Three, an educated people with high average IQ.
Four, cultural conservative policies, nationalistic policies.
Five, free market.
All of this is exactly what Alex would be in line with.
Whether he would be fucking, I wouldn't say brave enough, because that has a positive connotation, but whether or not he would have the wherewithal to actually say things like, what I would like is Islam to be gone, what I would like is an ethnically homogenous people to be around me, whether or not he has the, I would say, foolishness because he knows that he's trying to make money off this stuff.
This is what I'm talking about when I said I didn't understand.
Like I knew he was a bigot terrorist and all that stuff.
But reading through this manifesto in as much as I did is a terrifying experience because what you see and I'm not saying that all of these people have read his manifesto and are going off of it.
That would be fucking stupid of me to assume.
But what you see are proto-talking points of the alt-right world that we are experiencing right now.
And again, the reason that it's so complicated because we're specifically talking about him is because he, in his manifesto, is very specifically anti-Nazi.
Although it should be noted that while he was in prison, he did come out and say, I'm a Nazi now.
I think that what you see here, I think in 2011, this world was not what it is now in terms of the – Alex wasn't even that in 2011 in terms of his vociferous anti-Muslim sentiment.
The traction that had been gained by organizations like Rebel Media, people like Jack Bisobic, people like Lauren Southern, all the anti-immigrant sentiment that has come to be such a part of our political dialogue that it shouldn't be.
These negative and ill-meaning, bad faith actors that are clogging up our political discourse, including our goddamn president, whether or not they know it, I believe that they are very, very inspired by the manifesto that Anders Breivik put out.
And I don't think in any way that he was the beginning of any of these thoughts.
Don't get me wrong.
I'm not suggesting that.
But I think that his martyrdom in quotes that neo-Nazis, anti-Muslim folk experienced led to an elevation of a lot of the talking points that he put through in his manifesto.
It's just fucking jarring to see specific people mentioned in the manifesto that Alex Jones respects and loves.
It's jarring to see the exact talking points if you just replace cultural Marxists with globalists.
It's fucking insane.
So the similarities that we're seeing here are very, very troubling.
I think that's fair to say.
I don't know why I'm asking for confirmation.
Of course they are.
You're looking at me like, Dan, how dare you?
And that's fair.
So they're really troubling because now it's time to explain the name of his manifesto.
It's called 2083, a European Declaration of Independence.
Because toward the tail end of his very long, very dumb document, Anders Breivik lays out his vision of what will happen in the future, namely a three-phase European civil war, which he believed he would help start, leading to the white Europeans reclaiming their world in 2083.
And he's the prisoner who's like, has the longest sentence in that sort of confinement ever.
Because, I mean, if you read his manifesto, it's fucking clear his planning.
Like, he was doing this for years.
He started a company specifically to get enough money in order to do the attack.
He ended up getting like 2 million.
I don't remember the currency in Norway.
I apologize.
But it would have been something.
It would be hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of money from this company and then walked away from it because he was just trying to raise the money in order to fund his ability to plan this attack that didn't happen for nine years after.
Like, it's a ludicrous level of very specific information.
Anybody who wants to be like, this was something that the globalists set up or something like that, they are not engaging with the very, very available information that comes from him.
But I also feel like people who do these sorts of things, I'd be pretty comfortable in assuming that they kind of create a heroic mythology around themselves.
He says he's radicalized by the Serbian bombing, but really all that was was to give him cover and make him a hero when in reality this kind of bigotry was instilled with him from the fucking jump.
Yeah, one thing that he can guarantee is that he's seen more racism coming from Pakistanis and Arabs towards white people than ever white people against Pakistanis and Muslims.
I had a friend in like junior high who hated Muslims.
And I mean, he was sort of before the game a little bit.
But the reason that he did is because his dad was in business and he got in a deal with a couple of individual Arabic people and the deal went bad.
And the dad, I guess, complained so much that his middle school child sort of extrapolated and generalized that to all people who are Arabic or Muslims.
And you read this manifesto and the stuff he talks about from his childhood.
I think there's a little kernel of that.
So that hatred was already there.
I don't want to psychoanalyze and say like, you don't care about the Serbian bombings and stuff like that because I don't really give a shit.
Right.
That's not as important as how fucked up this fucking document is.
Quote, if we had executed, let's say, 100,000 Marxist intellectuals in Western Europe after World War II and banned all forms of Marxist doctrine, we could have prevented the creation of anti-European hate ideology known as multiculturalism.
But my position is I'm reading all of this because to not is not to show what the logical consequence of the similar rhetoric that Alex Jones and this guy put out into the world.
Your ultimate point, if I understand it correctly, is that if you actually believe any of this shit, if you put this rhetoric out, then this is the only way.
I'm not saying that his actions are logical because they fucking aren't.
But if you stipulate Alex Jones's worldview, there's no reason not to dedicate yourself for years to planning some sort of event that you think is going to kick off a civil war in Europe against the multiculturalist forces that you think are ruining white European culture.
Brevik gives advice on assassinations in his manifesto.
Quote, it's much more rational and pragmatical to focus on the easier, unprotected targets instead of sacrificing good men on an impossible target.
Going on to explain that the best targets are cultural Marxist professors.
Quote, the operational goal should be to execute five category B traitors within two hours.
Plan ahead so you're prepared to assault five targets in succession.
You'll usually always be caught, so instead of going home and waiting for someone to knock on your door, move swiftly to your second target, then the third, etc.
He advises using a flame thrower should you, I don't know, let's say try and attack a meeting of multiculturalist politicians, noting that, quote, a severely burned category A or B traitor will in reality become a living symbol of what awaits individuals guilty of trying to sell their own people into Islamic slavery.
They will act as a deterrent and contribute to spread fear in the hearts of the rest of the traitors, and will thus cause more ideological damage than that of a dead body.
He or she will become a living testament to what will happen to any and all category A and B traitors, and everyone will learn that high treason is not without risks.
Quote, there are annual gatherings for journalists in all Western European countries.
These gatherings are considered the most attractive targets for large-scale shock attacks due to the amount and quality of category B traitors.
He also legitimately advocates using weapons of mass destruction against multiculturalism.
Quote, efforts must be made to employ precision WMDs when fighting the cultural Marxist multiculturalist regimes of Western Europe, especially explosive weapons, barrack buster types, fertilizer bombs, and the like.
Other types of weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical, must be considered as realistic options as well.
He includes dozens of pages of very specific instructions on how to make bombs.
He includes a detailed breakdown of all the various medals people would be awarded for killing traitors once his revolution kicks off.
He includes insanely complicated operation plans for attacks as extreme as bombing power plants.
He spends countless hours of his life putting together this manifesto.
And it's clear from the text that he knew when he was writing it that he was going to kill a bunch of people.
He wrote this manifesto and carried out his attacks because he believed the same things that Alex Jones does, namely that Muslims are a destructive force and they will destroy Western culture.
And they're being aided and abetted by a traitorous government force.
Anders Breivik calls them cultural Marxists.
Alex calls them globalists.
But they're talking about exactly the same thing.
Here's why this is all of the utmost importance.
Anders Breivik, his manifesto, and his attacks represent, as I've said, the logical end result of the rhetoric that both he and Alex Jones employ.
They believe nearly identical things about the world, but one of them is willing to put those beliefs into action.
The other mostly wants to make money off trying to coax others into doing the dirty work for him.
And I want to, like, as relevant as this is to our fucking world and Alex Jones, it's really important to note that this is the entire philosophy from the beginning of America.
If you can't accept that that's what the Constitution was written about.
That's what it was.
So to imagine that Anders Breivik is some sort of outlier, some sort of like, whoa, this is something so far outside of what the human race has ever even considered.
Just really remember that 1776 is fucking Anders Breivik.
And that's why reading over this manifesto was such a dark look in the mirror to some extent.
Not that I believe it, and looking in the mirror, the finger is pointing at me, but you see such a reflection of very familiar things in a place that you wish you wouldn't.
You read the manifesto in the writings of this person and you see like, oh, wow, this is a lot of stuff we've talked about before.
Like the idea of bringing back the patriarchy, like the idea that the traditional family is under attack.
These are large-scale things that he was primarily motivated by under the attack on, that he felt was upon him by cultural Marxists, by political correctness.
Things that are exactly the same that Alex feels.
I don't know what to do with this other than to say, fucking just take a second to, I wouldn't say anyone go read that manifesto.
It's way too long, and it was a very disappointing night of my life.
But if you do go and read it, you'll see our show, quite frankly.
Because Anders Breivik's 1,500-page manifesto, at about page 1,410, starts to lay out something of a weird diary documenting his journey towards his perceived martyrdom, noting that he started working on this manifesto in 2006, five years before the eventual attack.
So he started in 2006 on his manifesto and this compendium, as he calls it.
He had started on his actual planning for the attack four years prior to that.
So he's nine years of planning, five for the manifesto.
But this diary, dude, it gives such a weird fucking picture.
And these dates that he describes are fucking surreal.
When you consider that he knew as he was writing this, the eventual end goal is he's going to kill a bunch of people for his perceived slights that he has about multiculturalism.
When you read this, you get a very disappointing, sad picture of a person.
From January 2010, quote, regret to admit, I've become notorious as a downloader of pirated movies, series, and games, etc.
But I've noticed an increasing number of sites have been closed down lately.
Stealing is bad, I admit.
But then again, when you've devoted your entire life to a good cause, you can allow yourself some naughtiness, especially if it can contribute to your lack of funds.
Until you brought it up within the context of this guy's weird manifesto diary, including all of this, like, all of this shit that I espouse, you know, you still gotta get your rocks off.
That idea that you're expressing is going, you're going to get way madder at a later entry.
But let's get to it later as we get to it.
Because I need to talk about this.
This is my favorite thing.
If there is anything funny in his manifesto, it's this.
And that is that there's a multi-entry drama that plays out where he goes to Prague to buy weapons because he saw a BBC special about how there are a lot of hardened criminals in Prague.
It starts with him talking about his fears of being killed there, which transitions into him being surprised to not, he's not at all scared once he gets there, in which he specifically cites, hey, there aren't any Muslims walking around.
He ultimately fails to find any guns to buy in Prague, but reassures himself that, quote, regardless of the outcome of this mission, I've had a great vacation and have experienced most of the historical sites and a lot of amazing architecture.
I've also partied a lot with the people I met at the hostel.
No, I think Gamergate was probably more like 2013, 2014.
It was later than that, but it's that.
Which, again, not to paint a broad brush by any stretch, but that subsection of that toxic masculinity as it applies to any kind of nerd culture winds up being a portal to this.
Quote: I'm trying to avoid relationships as it would complicate my plans and may jeopardize my operation.
And I don't feel comfortable manipulating girls anymore into one-night stands.
I'm not that person anymore.
I did screw two girls in Prague.
This is where I brought this up already.
I did screw two girls in Prague, though, but that was mainly because it was a realistic chance that I would end up dead during the process of establishing a weapons connection.
I won't make any effort to try and completely justify it, though.
Human males are imperfect by default, and they're plagued by their biological needs.
Nevertheless, screwing around outside of marriage is, after all, a relatively small sin compared to the huge amounts of grace I'm about to generate with my martyrdom operation.
It is essential that you do what is required to keep morale and motivation at high level, especially just prior to Operation Critical Moments.
I've reserved 2,000 Euro from my operations budget, which I intend to spend on high-quality model escort girl one week prior to execution of the mission.
I'll probably arrange that just before or after I attend my final martyr's mass at Frogner Church.
It will contribute to ease my mind, as I imagine I will be tense and very nervous.
It's easier to face death if you know you're biologically, mentally, and spiritually at ease.
And then also, the only thing, like, not the only thing, but one of the things that I felt when I read that passage is like, how fucking horrible is it to put that sex worker through that?
Quote, approximately four years ago in 2006, just before I started writing this compendium, I decided to move from my apartment in Frogner, one of the most pricey areas in Oslo, home to my mother.
So he was living with his mom the entire time that he was making this compendium and planning his attack.
Oh, and also he was doing steroids the whole time he was planning this attack.
Quote, initiated third steroid test cycle, three weeks on Wisterall tabs, 40 milligrams a day, followed by three weeks of DBOL tabs, 40 milligrams per day.
Weight increased from 86 kilograms to 93 kilograms.
No side effects cycle completed with great success.
I have never in my life been more physically fit than I am today.
Strength increased by 30 to 50%, which will prove useful.
There's a bunch of instances of him talking about his steroid use.
And then even beyond that, he talks about stacking ephedrine with caffeine.
So he's on just sort of over-the-counter speed and steroids the entire time, which does, if you look at the science, has increased parallel with sort of delusional thinking, manic sort of behavior.
You sort of parse through the little details that you can find in his manifesto, and it starts to make crystal clear the entrenched bigotry that he already has inside him, the diminished capabilities and capacity that he has based on his drug use, the clear psychopathy that he has that you can just glean from his own writing.
But I think more importantly is all the very one-to-one parallels with Alex.
And it is terrifying to me because I am somebody who, up until I was properly medicated at, like, what, 25, experienced consistent manic episodes.
So you look at that and you see the possibility of if I had those thought patterns, it's entirely possible that I would have committed some sort of crime absolutely not on that scale, by no means.
But the lack of willingness to consider that the thoughts he was having were wrong or were coming from an unhealthy place.
The fact that he kept this to himself for years as he documents, the fact that he laments he's unable to tell anyone else about his plans, bring people into the fold, like that sort of thing.
The fact that he is so resolute with this sort of thing, I really don't think that anything you can do can mitigate someone like Anders Breivik.
And that really bums me out because, you know, the people with mental illness, there's help for you if you're willing to get it.
And I would love to take this opportunity to get on a soapbox and say, like, if only someone were there to help him at X, Y, or Z time.
I don't think that, of course, I don't think that mental illness is fully responsible for his actions in the same way that I don't think that the rhetoric and the narratives that are very similar to Alex's rhetoric and narratives, I don't think they're 100% to blame for his actions.
There's a very complicated bouillabaise going on here, this stew of things.
And the only reason that I think it's super duper important to our stuff is that the narratives are the part that you can change.
Seven people killed by the bomb blast, two seriously injured.
Police are saying they believe the person responsible for the bomb to be a foreigner, according to BBC.
Well, they arrest you over there if you criticize foreigners.
But the attacker, God, I wish we could arrest him.
Look Norwegian.
There you go.
White Al-Qaeda hitting it hard.
Right when they come out and say white al-Qaeda's going to hit, and they show the white people, you know, with blue eyes in the headdresses, boom, they're hitting, see?
They're rebranding.
White Al-Qaeda's hitting.
It goes on.
Witnesses have managed to escape from the white edition.
NRK reports on the spots that the perpetrator had a Norwegian look.
He should be around 185 to 190 centimeters tall and had blonde hair.
So this is also just making a straw man out of the DHS reports and stuff like that.
The only thing he could possibly be hearkening back to is like years prior, there was that John Walker Lind, who was the white guy who left his privileged life alongside.
Right, but there are a couple instances of like that, that, you know, a couple of girls who are like 19 who went and joined ISIS thinking that it was not a huge thing.
But back to your point of the booyah base, like there does require a certain perfect storm of factors that go into this.
Otherwise, we would see this a whole fucking lot more.
You know, like, look, there are seven billion people on this dumb, stupid fucking planet that we're destroying.
It is at least, I suppose, positive that it's like out of seven billion people, it takes that many people to generate this kind of level of psychopath monster.
So the reason that that last clip is particularly important to me is because Alex Jones gets a lot of mileage out of this term white Al-Qaeda that he uses.
White Qaeda.
I agree.
Like I said, better portmanteau.
But he says white al-Qaeda, so we have to go with that.
So the reason that it's really important to me is that he gets a lot of mileage out of the ambiguity that he usually uses with that.
Yeah.
Because when he talks about white al-Qaeda in that last clip, he makes it very clear what he's talking about is white people joining al-Qaeda.
And that is the kernel, and that's the general use of that term.
However, later, not in this episode, but later as time goes on, he'll repurpose that term into being a way to mock the idea of right-wing white terrorism.
Yeah.
The idea that's like, oh, they're just using white people now like it's white al-Qaeda.
But in this episode, in that last clip, he made very clear, he's specifically talking about white people joining up with al-Qaeda, which is what the globalists are doing to make everyone scared of white people.
All your neighbors could be in al-Qaeda.
That's the narrative that he's putting forth, which is clunky and pretty bad.
Especially considering the truth that we know about this attack, which was primarily motivated by a guy who hates Muslims and thinks that a group that could be described similarly to the globalist is helping them overrun Europe, which is exactly what Alex Jones thinks about the world.
This next clip is a damning indictment of Alex Jones because what he's doing is a business meeting on air with Paul Joseph Watson, trying to spin the narrative that they want to put out on the website without Paul Joseph Watson's side of the conversation.
I don't know why he didn't do this in the commercial break that he is clearly coming out of.
But whatever the case, here is Alex Jones being the worst fucking content producer in the world.
So I don't know exactly all of the news that had come out, but he's already dealing with it as like coordinated but separate attacks when it was the same guy who very clearly did all of it.
But obviously, look, we don't have the crew, but I'm asking listeners now as I ask you, because this is what really impresses people that aren't awake, who don't know the research.
They do get impressed by precision predictions.
Remember, I said white al-Qaeda would strike, rise, and fully imploded Europe, and that they would have a rollout of white al-Qaeda starting with second-target shootings and bombings in Europe that would then move to the United States.
And I've been predicting this, I don't know, for over a year now with exact precision because I was gauging their propaganda.
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You can't do it for over a year without exacting precision.
So use the fact that I predicted that in the past to make an article that sums all of this up and make it look like I made a really amazing prediction, even though I'm ignoring the fact that details are still all of reality.
Yeah, but that's what they do.
This is how propaganda works.
You're seeing how the sausage is made on air.
That was a really embarrassing thing for him to do.
It's just clunky.
So now hours have passed since he previously said that this was fake.
And by this point in the show, I'm not entirely sure.
Anders Breivik has laid his weapons down and been arrested.
Presumably, the news reports are reporting that.
Now, I'll also say that because of what we've already talked about, the victim who was arrested as a supposed accomplice, that fake news, if you will, might be being reported.
So that's something that he should take a step back from.
But it's understandable if he wants to use that in his narratives.
Which, at the same time, like, everybody's actually, like, the idea of arresting that guy in that moment does make sense to you because if you're a Norwegian cop, how could you possibly deal with this in a rational manner in the moment?
Like, you're just throwing shit at the wall at that point.
Just like, I see something, I don't know what to do.
That's one of the points that I had hoped to get to is that the entirety, if you look at the big picture of this story, all it does is disprove everything Anders Breivik believed in.
Because the culture that believes in multiculturalism, the culture that believes in acceptance, is the same culture that refuses to torture him in prison.
That allows him to have correspondence with the outside world, watch reality shows, have an electronic typewriter so he can write his manifestos and things like that.
It's a living indictment of what he believes in, the fact that societies are able to deal with someone like him and not be like, you know what?
So you know who was trying to start a World War III scenario?
Anders fucking Brevik.
It's clear that's what he was doing.
He was trying.
Phase one of his three-phase war involves these flash attacks, one of which he perpetrated, which was in order to kick off this three-stage European civil war that would lead with the repression of Islam as a whole.
So Alex being like the globalists plan to do this.
Like, no, that was, you are right.
You're right in terms of the idea, but you're wrong because it was the idea of someone who believes the same things you do actually doing it.
At one point in the logistics portion of his manifesto, Anders Breivik talks about the idea of hooking up with Al-Qaeda because he could buy weapons from them or something like that.
So he talks about the idea of getting involved with terrorist groups, but at the same time...
Which is that if anybody that you know is right-wing, it is not necessarily that they believe all of this stuff.
It is not necessarily that they can't possibly consciously believe this.
Most of them, because at the end, like they believe that they're good people.
Like, so many people, so many people on the right wing would see somebody who is Muslim who is like, oh, I saw them at the grocery store.
We talked for a little while, for a little while, and then maybe we went out and maybe we were in the same program.
Alcoholics Anonymous can feature anybody.
And we got together and we became friends.
And yet somehow I would invite them into my home, but I still support a fucking pile of goddamn garbage that wants immigrants separated from their fucking families.
Like these are people who don't even understand that the underpinnings of all of their beliefs, the fucking core is Anders Breivik.
So not everyone is beholden to all the same propaganda.
But the people who put out most of the influential media are exactly in line with everything that's in this manifesto.
It's ludicrous to think that any time, I know that the right likes to talk about Bill Ayers and Solomon.
If I read their documents and they were like, oh, shit, in the same way that reading his manifesto was, I would probably have to take a moment of pause.
So, in this next clip, we've come to the point of the show where the news reports are clearly saying that this was a white guy, a blonde guy, who carried out this attack and may have had a right-wing.
I told you I saw it in the tea leaves from all the data I integrate.
I could see the scripting.
Ladies and gentlemen, right-wingers in Europe absolutely hate the Muslims and try 24-7 to kick them out and are tried by government tribunals for saying, route the Muslims.
If you think right-wing militia groups and people are working with the Muslims, ladies and gentlemen, I got a bridge I want to sell you.
Okay, Paul, now I'm getting freaked out.
You got to admit, Paul, did I not absolutely 100% call this?
The thing that I think he hates more is the multiculturalism and that cultural Marxist, which is code for globalist, which is code for Alex's worldview.
So I do think that he hates Muslims and was primarily motivated by that.
But the primary motivation is also washed up into that worldview that you could easily ascribe to being he's afraid of the globalists allowing Muslims in.
It's the same thing.
So in the same way, I know I'm making a really fine line here, but it's the same thing where it's like you want to call him a Nazi, but in his manifesto, he's clearly anti-Nazi and Hitler.
So it becomes more complicated.
You want to say that he just hates Muslims.
And yes, he does hate Muslims.
Yeah.
But there's another layer to it that is more what he's motivated by, which is the traitorous government people who are allowing the Muslims in.
And the only reason I feel the need to make that fine point is because it is accurately reporting what he believes, and it makes it more similar to Alex.
But I mean, at the same time, how many fucking stories do you read where it's like a small town is like 99% for Trump, and then they find out that their buddy was an illegal immigrant, and they're like, no, you're not supposed to take him.
You're not supposed to take him.
He's cool.
We should protect the immigrants who are cool.
But we can't believe that most immigrants are cool because we're told that they're not.
But I also think that there's something to be said for like, I was having a conversation about this recently about the idea that like, you know, with diminishing incomes, it becomes much harder to travel, harder to see the world, harder to get outside of your bubble.
But at the same time, the internet is becoming so immersive in terms of like you can experience so much of the world without leaving your desk.
You have this person that you know who is a very awesome person who is Muslim, let's say.
And then you have your view of the world, possibly a lot of the time, is this negative world online that's like, no, don't believe it, don't believe it.
He's fine, but there's all these others who are like they want to kill you.
And I don't know what you do with that.
I don't know how it works.
I don't know what the path forward looks like.
Because if your experience of the world, like legitimately, is trumped by propaganda and is trumped by like, yeah, he's cool, he's cool.
Don't get me wrong, he's cool.
But what you need to know about is cultural Marxism.
What you need to know is about the globalists who want to flood our country.
I think there are a lot of people who still have immersive experiences in life and still understand that people from all walks of life are fucking cool as shit.
But even then, with those people, I would say that 98% of people are like, no matter who is affected by the propaganda, 98% of people in their own lives, in their own small place, just want to be kind.
That's what we are.
We're trying to be kind in a way.
And unfortunately, the 2% is somehow capable.
Like the psychopaths are somehow capable of creating this propaganda that can convince people who otherwise would not want to harm someone.
There's a reason that there's a reason that there isn't that 40% of the country doesn't murder people.
We have to grow up to the point where we realize that there are just anomalies in society based on how human brains work, how society works, that we have to just absorb the blow.
It sucks.
It sucks.
There's things we can do to mitigate the damage of that, which is, number one, fucking gun control.
But at the same time, right, but the issue winds up coming down to those 2%, the psychopaths, are far more capable of manipulating the system to destroy the rest of us.
Like when you look at anybody who's a billionaire, you have to eventually get to the point where you're like, well, 98% of humanity is cool, but those 2%, 98% of them are psychopaths.
Like, in the same way that if you study logic, you understand logical fallacies.
And so you're able to look at an argument and be like, oh, no, that's begging the question.
That's what you're doing there.
Oh, you're affirming the antecedent.
No, what you've done there is not that's against the rules, you know, like whatever.
There are only a certain amount of logical fallacies that exist because of how the structure of arguments works.
In the same way, propaganda only works like maybe 15 different ways.
Like there aren't a lot of ways that are compelling to make an argument that are emotionally manipulative.
There is a finite number of ways that people can trick you into forgetting your higher brain and going with emotion.
So what I would recommend, and the reason that that 2% doesn't scare me too much, is that I hope as we evolve and how as society gets better and better as we go along, which I hope we will.
But those sorts of things, if we just start to understand them a little better, the appeals to demography, the appeals to unproven stats, the appeals to us versus them.
Those sorts of things.
If we just take a second, if everyone just starts to understand, oh, this is how propagandists manipulate people, there's a decent chance that we could undo a lot of the damage that that 2% can do.
And the 2% isn't all propagandists.
Let's say it's like half and half actors and propagandists.
Like the monsters and then propagandists.
But I think you can mitigate that damage.
And to pretend that we live in a society where it's not upon, it's not, like, it's not, you're behooved to understand that.
At the same time, though, how do you argue against the reality that in the almost inverse of the truth, which again is going to be a far larger generalization than it should be, but the metaphor would then be, only 2% of the population studies logic, and 98% of the population doesn't.
i totally get what you're saying that's not that's not what i'm i i mean just the point being is that how is it that we educate people when the two percent is so insistent about not educating people and yet those two percent are billionaires and the 2% that is insistent upon educating people are fucking poor as shit.
And at the same time, I wish that particularly Media Matters, when they post videos that demonstrate a very important point, I wish they would include an essay that explains why it's an important point as opposed to just posting that.
But then also you have people like Vic Berger who posts really awesome proof that Mike Czernovich is a fucking monster.
You have examples of that all over the place.
There's a lot of good people who are doing the work.
Sam Cedar, Michael Brooks, also doing amazing work.
But I think I sincerely believe this, and I believe this based on all of the research that I consistently do and all of Alex's primary sources, like digging into it.
I really think that all it takes is a charismatic, decently matched version of what he does in order to completely destroy all of the stuff that he does.
You know, all of the propaganda can be diffused.
All of the propaganda can be diffused to a certain amount of people by discussing why the propaganda exists, where it comes from, what its intent is, and where the problem is.
Propaganda can't exist like that in a world where the inverse is there.
And so when you have people who push back against it, which I think is incredibly important, I'm not just saying that because it's kind of what we do, but like pushing back against that will help diffuse all this stuff.
No, we should be doing exactly what we're doing, quite frankly.
And the reason that this works is because of that prime minister-president dynamic that you're describing, but as a fun entertainment show where we break down propaganda.
I think it's the most, not the most, but I think it's an incredibly important piece of our modern world that we have to deal with.
And whatever.
I don't know.
I think that we've spun off into like a conversation is certainly very valid, but at the same time, we wouldn't be having it if it weren't for a lot of feelings that we're having because of the content that we've been covering.
And how very clear, like I can't stress enough, if you take the time to go read all the stuff that I've read, that I've tried to express as best I can on this podcast without just sitting here and reading you his whole goddamn manifesto.
Right, right, right.
If you go and read it, you will only see parallels to the world that we talk about and Alex Jones personally.
100%.
And it wasn't his world in 2009.
Now, I don't know the months before this.
I don't know the months before this, what his rhetoric specifically was.
I don't know when he chose to hate Muslims and be really scared of them.
But I do know that if I had to choose 2009, 2010, he's not like this.
He's not someone who is basically regurgitating Anders Breivik kind of talking points.
They're just praying that another Anders Breivik shows up, preferably in America, because it would sort of somehow justify them because they've done the preemptive groundwork of being like, if this happens, they're just trying to demonize white people.
Indeed.
Which Alex did with all of these other fucking terrorist attacks and mass shootings that have happened since then.
Well, because we know from his history, we know from his rhetoric from looking at him, we know that he doesn't really care all that much when it happens to other groups.
It's always the implicit threat that it's happening, which he even is expressing in that clip where he talks about like you bubbas.
You know, you think it's just there for the Browns.
But that goes back to why we reacted so heavily, or why especially you reacted so heavily when you made that realization of, oh, his biggest problem was not all of these atrocities being committed.
It's that he thought they might eventually be committed to white people.
So in this situation, when he's living in 2011, when he's living with a black president, when he's living with all of these ideas that he can't handle, of course he's terrified because he thinks finally white people are going to get treated like this.
And now he's totally fine with this impression because he knows, fuck it, white people are going to be fine, even though he's wrong, even though he's utterly and completely wrong.
Even though white people are more damaged currently by what he thinks makes sense for white people, he still thinks that by virtue of having a white supremacist in office, he's going to be fine.
Well, he's rich, though, so he's probably going to be fine.
It reminds me so much of when I would make a cogent argument that my family couldn't handle regarding Christianity and how it's a like even what they believe they have perversely destroyed.
Their response was always a biblical passage that said, even the devil can quote scripture.
To me, as we were talking about off-air, I have gone through such this level of I have to react in this lizard brain of like, this guy should be killed.
And throughout this whole episode, I'm going back and forth towards like, yes, he should be by all concept of justice.
We're no longer in a place where we can like with all of the bullshit eulogies about John McCain, which, look, again, my initial reaction is all of that stuff.
But with those eulogies, what they are trying to point to is a past.
It's a legitimate reality that it needs to be summarily dismissed as a whole to the point where the people who are susceptible to this propaganda have to accept for 30 years until they start building Confederate monuments again in order to make sure that it's going to require that.
Come a long way, but thank you so much for the suggestion of this episode because I think there is a lot of edification that we've been able to get to through the dark, awful elements of it.
But I've dropped the ball on a couple of requests that have come in and I've forgotten about, and I feel fucking terrible about it, and I need a reminder.
No, yeah, that one where you called a timeout in the Cavs game, David Blatt, and you were like, we need to call a timeout, but you didn't have any timeouts left.
And then LeBron overturned you, but the refs didn't see it.
And he fired a fucking buzzer beater that was against the rules.