Today, Dan tells Jordan about how Sonja from Sweden requested they talk about a specific day from history. The gents wrestle with one of the worst terrorists probably ever, and make sense of why life is worth living even though he is allowed to live.
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| Hey everybody, Dan here. | ||
| I just wanted to step in real quick before we start the actual episode because there's something going on here in Chicago, Illinois that I would like to draw everyone's attention to. | ||
| This episode's coming out on Monday, but on Tuesday night, if you are in Chicago, if you're one of our listeners who's in Chicago, I would like to very strongly recommend that you consider coming out on Tuesday night to At North Bar. | ||
| I don't know, I think it starts at 8. Who knows? | ||
| Look it up. | ||
| Maybe show up at like 7.30. | ||
| That's the safest way to do it. | ||
| There is an awesome show that's going on there. | ||
| Dear friends of the show, Far Out and I-9, a couple of great rappers are going to be in town doing a show there. | ||
| Jordan and I will both be out in attendance having a great time. | ||
| There's going to be some comedians who are friends of the show. | ||
| People like a Matt Riggs. | ||
| People like a Joe Fernandez. | ||
| He's not been on the show, but he has been invited. | ||
| Now I'm getting petty. | ||
| He's too busy. | ||
| But it's going to be a great show. | ||
| If you are considering something to do on Tuesday night, it starts early, so if you have to go to work on Wednesday, still an option for you. | ||
| If you want to come, we'd all love to see you there. | ||
| There's a lot of talent on that lineup. | ||
| It's going to be an amazing show. | ||
| Please consider coming. | ||
| But beyond that, please get ready to have a very heavy episode of the podcast thrust into your ears. | ||
| Anyway, I love you all. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your work. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Hey, everybody. | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
| I'm Jordan. | ||
| We're a couple dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Indeed we are, Dan. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Dan? | ||
| Hey. | ||
| When was the last time you ate sushi? | ||
| Never. | ||
| You've never eaten sushi? | ||
| When I was much younger and I didn't like it. | ||
| A lot of sushi. | ||
| No, that was just fish. | ||
| No, they had it in the... | ||
| They were flying fish. | ||
| Well, but they were wrapped in seaweed. | ||
| Well... | ||
| So it counts. | ||
| You know, you have musubi down there. | ||
| A lot of sushi flying around. | ||
| And then also, one of the big things they like to do is make spam musubi. | ||
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Okay. | |
| So you'd have rice wrapped around spam with seaweed around it. | ||
| It was gross. | ||
| Yeah, I remember reading or watching something on the prolificacy of spam in certain areas. | ||
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I love it. | |
| It was like, hmm, that's odd. | ||
| They love it in Hawaii. | ||
| Like in Japan, too. | ||
| Yeah, can't get enough of that damn spam. | ||
| Anyways, you should try more sushi. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| So, what you could say is that I know a lot about sushi, and you don't know anything about sushi. | ||
| I know things about it. | ||
| Clearly you don't, if you don't like it. | ||
| Yeah, well, that's an issue. | ||
| Look, not everybody has to eat fish. | ||
| Some people can just eat poultry and be totally cool about it. | ||
| But yeah, in the same way, I know a lot about Alex Jones. | ||
| And I only know what you tell me about Alex Jones. | ||
| Today we've got a very interesting episode to go over, but before we get to it, what I would like to do is I'd like to give a shout-out to a couple of new donors who signed up with the team. | ||
| Very excited about this. | ||
| First, I'd like to say thank you to a new policy wonk. | ||
| Vanessa, thank you for joining the team. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you, Vanessa! | ||
| We appreciate it oh so very much. | ||
| Yes, thank you! | ||
| And also, I'd like to give a shout-out to someone who came in on a little bit of an elevated level. | ||
| Came in hot? | ||
| Let's say. | ||
| Yes, absolutely. | ||
| I'd like to say thank you so much and congratulate Nick on becoming a globalist. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Four stars. | ||
| Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. | ||
| Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. | ||
| Daddy Shark! | ||
| Thank you so much, Nick. | ||
| Thank you so much, Nick. | ||
| If you would like to support the show, you can go to our website, knowledgefight.com. | ||
| Click that button that says support the show. | ||
| We would appreciate it very much. | ||
| Indeed. | ||
| So, Jordan, today I wanted to get into the voicemail bag and dick around a little bit, hear some messages from the listeners, but we can't. | ||
| There's too much business to get a... | ||
| God damn it, Dan! | ||
| Look, I'm sorry. | ||
| We'll get to some messages down the road. | ||
| This is the bracket all over again. | ||
| It's not. | ||
| This is the bracket all over again. | ||
| It's not. | ||
| It turns out that sometimes we don't have as much time to dilly-dally on the show, that duty calls, and today is one such day. | ||
| Thank God. | ||
| Thank God. | ||
| And that is July 22, 2011. | ||
| Do you have any idea the significance of July 22nd, 2011? | ||
| Seven times three is 21, plus one is 22. Numerology. | ||
| 22, you know, one plus one is two. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Two ones multiplied by two is 22. Brilliant. | ||
| So that's what it is. | ||
| That is not what it is. | ||
| Oh, it's not what it is. | ||
| No, it's not. | ||
| What, just playing around with numbers without even... | ||
| I didn't even try and apply meaning to numerology. | ||
| I was just like, look at numbers. | ||
| That has nothing to do with the topic at hand. | ||
| Today we have a very meaty topic to get into, and it's going to be horrifying at points, and very illustrative at other points. | ||
| But before we get into that, here is a very uncharacteristic, out-of-context drop from today's episode. | ||
| We gotta go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, alright? | ||
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Okay. | |
| Full tilt boogie. | ||
| What does that mean? | ||
| Is that a colloquialism? | ||
| It's not, and... | ||
| Have you ever heard that before? | ||
| Never heard anyone implore Paul Joseph Watson to go full tilt boogie on something. | ||
| And actually, given the circumstances, I think that is very, very tacky. | ||
| So, I guess what we should do is just go ahead and start the episode, and then we can discuss... | ||
| Why this is a date that someone, especially someone from Scandinavia, would send us. | ||
| So are we going to go about like half tilt boogie on this then? | ||
| I think we're three quarters tilt. | ||
| Three quarters tilt. | ||
| Okay, cool. | ||
| We are live. | ||
| It is Friday. | ||
| Thank you for joining us. | ||
| The news is coming in fast and furious. | ||
| The good news is we'll be back live this Sunday as well, 4 to 6 p.m. | ||
| Breaking Oslo blast blows out most of the windows of government building. | ||
| Looks like Oklahoma City, the damage. | ||
| Prime Minister's office affected, at least two dead, dozens wounded, massive vehicle bomb report, people trapped, eyewitnesses, total chaos. | ||
| You notice that this is happening right now. | ||
| Right as Europe is completely bankrupted by design by banker operatives in charge of every country in the EU. | ||
| Norway's not, and nor has it ever been in the EU. | ||
| So that part of this narrative is already a little bit busted. | ||
| But it's happening while it's happening. | ||
| So if you didn't pick up on this, if you're not picking up the pieces, July 22, 2011 is the day that Anders Breivik committed one of the worst terrorist attacks in Western European history. | ||
| A series of terrorist attacks across Norway. | ||
| To give you a little bit of a quick breakdown of the relevant details, on July 22, 2011, Anders Breivik killed 77 people in two separate terrorist attacks in Norway, representing the fifth deadliest terrorist attack ever in Western Europe. | ||
| At 1525 Central European Summertime, which is 3.15pm, he set off a car bomb outside... | ||
| 3.15pm our time. | ||
| No, their time. | ||
| It would have been 8 a.m. our time. | ||
| 8.25 a.m. our time. | ||
| He set off a car bomb outside a government building that housed the office of the Prime Minister of Norway. | ||
| The bomb he used was intentionally very similar to the one used by Timothy McVeigh at Oklahoma City. | ||
| Eight people were killed and 209 were injured. | ||
| Approximately 90 minutes later, Brevik arrived at the Norwegian Labor Party's Youth League camp on Utoya Island, having taken a ferry there while disguised as a police officer. | ||
| Brevik quickly killed the camp director and security officer, at which point he had over an hour to terrorize the people on the island before emergency services could arrive. | ||
| Though Oslo police were alerted two minutes after the first shot, their response time was greatly increased by the fact that they did not have a police helicopter which could have taken them directly to the island. | ||
| Twice during his rampage, Brevik called the police and tried to surrender, but ended up hanging up both times. | ||
| It appears that he was toying with the police because he continued killing people in between the calls and after. | ||
| Campers attempted to escape by swimming off the island, but a number of them were shot in the water by Brevik as he screamed, quote, You will die today, Marxists. | ||
| By the time the Norway police arrived, he had killed 69 people, 50 of whom were 18 years of age or younger, and he had injured 110. | ||
| When the police arrived, Brevik dropped his weapons and immediately surrendered. | ||
| When the police arrived, the terrified campers begged the officers not to kill them, since the original attack had been carried out by someone in a policeman's uniform. | ||
| Initially, there were reports of an accomplice being arrested, because the police wrongly arrested, Anzor Djukiev, a 17-year-old victim. | ||
| The rationale was that his haircut was different than it was on his ID, and they felt that his response to the attack was different than the rest of the people there. | ||
| He didn't cry or freak out, because as a child, he'd witnessed the massacres in Chechnya, and What the fuck? | ||
| Right. | ||
| So they arrested him, and reports sort of were circling, and Alex is going to get into that, the idea that there were multiple shooters, which is based on this false arrest that the police put out and accidentally made. | ||
| Thankfully, they at least did release him hours later, but still very, very dicey. | ||
| Fuck that. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| So Breivik immediately confessed to the bombing and the shootings, but refused to accept that he was wrong to do what he had done, calling it necessary. | ||
| Though initially deemed criminally insane, a follow-up report by psychologists declared him sane, and he was tried and sentenced to 21 years in prison, but... | ||
| The good news about that is once his sentence is up, they can just indefinitely extend it forever. | ||
| So that's the way the legal system apparently works in Norway, where 21 years for terrorism and murder is the highest sentence they can give. | ||
| And then at the end of that, they can be like, well, he's still a fucking terrorist who's a murderer, and we can never let him go again. | ||
| But we can only do that today. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| At his trial, he spoke clearly and with conviction about how what he did was not wrong and how he had an absence of remorse. | ||
| He declared himself a modern-day Knight Templar who was resisting the invading Muslims. | ||
| Breivik showed a complete lack of remorse, but he did make one apology in court. | ||
| He apologized that he had not killed more people. | ||
| Six hours before the attack, Brevik posted a video on YouTube including a picture of him in military uniform decorated with many medals he had not earned. | ||
| In fact, he was deemed unfit for service and was never in the military. | ||
| In the video, he depicts Islam as a Trojan horse coming to destroy Europe. | ||
| If there's ever been a more open-and-shut case as it relates to right-wing racist terrorism, I'm not sure I've ever seen it. | ||
| Every single aspect of Brevik's planning could be confirmed down to the front companies he established, so it wouldn't raise suspicion when he bought masses of fertilizer to make his bomb. | ||
| After being sentenced, Brevik offered to provide information about the other cells of his alleged terrorist network, cells that probably didn't exist. | ||
| But his offer was rejected, citing completely impossible demands he was making, indicating that he, quote, doesn't know how society works. | ||
| It turns out he offered the information on the condition that Norwegian and European societies be overthrown. | ||
| In 2013, he threatened to go on a hunger strike if the prison did not give him a PlayStation 3 to replace his PlayStation 2, because the PlayStation 3 had better games. | ||
| In 2014, he threatened that he would starve himself to death if refused, quote, access to a sofa and a bigger gym, and again complained about the selection of video games he was provided. | ||
| He complained in court that he was beginning to enjoy the reality show Paradise Hotel, which he claimed was proof that he had become brain damaged. | ||
| Honestly, his life in prison sounds a little bit better than mine. | ||
| The attacks began at 8.25 a.m. | ||
| Austin time. | ||
| The police arrived at Utoya Island at 11.25 Austin time, at which point Brevik immediately surrendered. | ||
| Alex's show starts at 11 a.m. | ||
| Austin time and concludes at 3 p.m. | ||
| There's no reason for him not to know a good deal of information about what happened. | ||
| Because a lot of this information, while there were misreporting in terms of that second possible shooter, a lot of the stuff had already happened by the time he got off. | ||
| We should hold him to a higher standard of speculation on this episode. | ||
| So that is what happened on July 22, 2011. | ||
| And now we shall see how Alex covers this. | ||
| And then I have a whole bunch more information coming up later from some really... | ||
| Really dark research that I ended up having to do for this episode. | ||
| Alright, so essentially what we're going to do is listen to a white supremacist and find any possible way to imagine that this act is not terrorism done by a white supremacist. | ||
| Possibly. | ||
| And a fucking validation of every criticism that's ever been levied against Alex in the entire history of his life. | ||
| I will say that this episode does end up getting pretty damning. | ||
| Just in terms of Alex's journalistic integrity. | ||
| In terms of some parallels that we'll be able to draw as this goes on. | ||
| And just Alex's clear... | ||
| I don't think that his reporting on this episode is bad because he's trying to defend a white supremacist. | ||
| I think he just doesn't know what's going on and is making shit up. | ||
| I think that he's just creating a narrative that fits what he talks about. | ||
| As opposed to it being like... | ||
| You'll see as this goes along. | ||
| So the day after, he tries to explain away white supremacism as he learns more about it. | ||
| Undoubtedly. | ||
| Well, the day after is Saturday, so he has the day off. | ||
| But Sunday, I'm sure he sits down. | ||
| He comes up with the false flag. | ||
| They're trying to make it look like we're crazy for doing the whole thing. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And on this episode, he doesn't get Steve Pachanek on, but multiple times says, we need Steve Pachanek. | ||
| And so I'm sure by Sunday, he's had a chance to talk to him. | ||
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He's got the false flag, yeah. | |
| And then they get the narrative that they need. | ||
| So I'm sorry about that long reading, but I feel like it's important to know exactly the situation that we have on our hands. | ||
| 77 people were killed by a deranged man who hated Islam and hated liberalism and multiculturalism. | ||
| And we'll get into how I'm very certain about what he was doing a little bit later. | ||
| That story, I am so anti-death penalty, and I am pro-prison conditions. | ||
| Like, in Oslo, they have prison conditions that are well taken care of. | ||
| As you said, they have better living situations than you do. | ||
| Somewhat. | ||
| Somewhat, right? | ||
| In some respects, you know, the ability to walk is nice. | ||
| He's kept in, like, solitary confinement to a certain extent because... | ||
| They don't want him to set up a cell in prison or something like that? | ||
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Yeah, of course. | |
| Which is a pretty legitimate concern, considering he's one of the worst terrorists ever. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And clearly, I'll get to why I know this down the line, but he'd been planning this for at least since 2002. | ||
| There were shell companies. | ||
| He's been planning it. | ||
| It's elaborate. | ||
| The idea that he would end up getting into a prison population and probably hooking up with people and trying to get some scheme going, it seems very likely. | ||
| So he's kept in solitary confinement, but because solitary confinement is so cruel... | ||
| It is technically torture. | ||
| Or by the UN Human Rights Commission, I believe. | ||
| And so one of the things that they have to do to accommodate the fact that they can't allow him to be around other people is that they have three cells that he's in. | ||
| He has three cells. | ||
| One is like a study. | ||
| That he has. | ||
| One is a gym, and one is his, like, sleeping cell. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And he has this PlayStation that he's allowed to play games on. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He has an electric typewriter. | ||
| For a while he had a computer, but, you know, not allowed to be hooked up to the internet. | ||
| Yeah, of course not. | ||
| And so, like, they have to make these accommodations. | ||
| And I understand that, because you don't, you never, even the worst people in the world, you don't want them just rotting in a hole. | ||
| Like, that's, that says way more about us as a society than it does about what that person may or may not deserve. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| But that's what I'm saying. | ||
| I would never want him to be kept in solitary confinement. | ||
| I don't want him to be tortured. | ||
| At the same time, he should be killed. | ||
| That should be the situation, right? | ||
| I'm against the death penalty, and I'm pro better prison conditions. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| I think because he had a chance to surrender, which I don't know if he deserved. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I can't parse that out. | ||
| But because he was given that choice and he did lay down his weapons, you can't then kill him. | ||
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I mean, the Nazis got executed. | |
| I'm fine with it. | ||
| I'm not for the death penalty, but there's a certain level of like, no, I don't want to torture you, but also you can't be around anymore. | ||
| It's kicking you out of the earth. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You'd wish that maybe we had penal colonies or something like that. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know if that's even... | ||
| Send them to Georgia? | ||
| I don't know, man. | ||
| It's very difficult because your visceral reaction obviously is that. | ||
| No punishment, including a PlayStation 3, is good enough for you. | ||
| You deserve much worse, but then at what point are we comfortable arbitrarying out? | ||
| Much more severe punishments to people. | ||
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Right. | |
| Of course. | ||
| I mean, I'm not even talking about capital punishment. | ||
| I'm also talking about, like, abandoning someone on an island or something like that. | ||
| Yeah, but that sounds more fun to me. | ||
| Like, look, here's what I would do. | ||
| I would rather he was just, like, no longer with us. | ||
| I don't want him to experience eternal pain or anything like that. | ||
| It's because there is no God or hell or anything like that. | ||
| But it should just be like a severing of your ability to be human any longer. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I can make all the euphemisms I want for it, but... | ||
| He should be dead. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, that's what should happen. | ||
| You shouldn't be allowed... | ||
| But at the same time, then he's a martyr. | ||
| Right. | ||
| For all of those people, and then he's an inspiration for them. | ||
| Which, honestly, I'm not sure you'd be able to avoid no matter what you do. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Because the alternative is he's a martyr as a political prisoner. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Which we'll get to later. | ||
| And he's a political prisoner with a PlayStation 2! | ||
| You don't get to... | ||
| Three now. | ||
| You don't get to hold martyr status. | ||
| It's tough. | ||
| But he does complain that he only gets, like, childish games and doesn't get, like, modern warfare. | ||
| Yeah, you're goddamn fucking right you're not! | ||
| Christ! | ||
| It's so bizarre. | ||
| I don't know, man. | ||
| I agree with you on a visceral human level, but I also, like, I don't want to wrestle with those issues. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because I don't think I'm equipped to, and I don't know the right answer. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like, I'm philosophically opposed to capital punishment. | ||
| As am I. But... | ||
| I also have no vested interest in telling the state of Norway how they can and can't mead out their justice system. | ||
| Agreed. | ||
| And by all accounts, their justice system immensely improved over ours. | ||
| It seems more humane. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So now, let's jump back into the episode and let Alex lay out what his initial thoughts are. | ||
| And again... | ||
| This attack, I apologize that I fumbled up the time differences and stuff like that at the beginning, but the attack began at 8.25 a.m. | ||
| Austin time, Central Standard Time in the United States. | ||
| Alex goes on air at 11. Everything was over by 11.25. | ||
| Yeah, I was really confused as to why you made it a point to... | ||
| Get the time down, and then once you put it together, I was like, of course that's an important thing that you should point out. | ||
| It's not like this all broke out while he was on air. | ||
| He had two and a half hours before the show of like... | ||
| Get your information together. | ||
| Get on air. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And so it makes it worse that this is where he goes. | ||
| Even watch Fox News if you're that stupid, and they'll at least tell you the white narrative that you want to hear. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So here Alex gets into the baseline of where he's going to start things. | ||
| As I told you, there's going to be shootings at shopping malls, bombings, and it will all be triggered right during the implosion. | ||
| And they're even scripting that now, saying Al-Qaeda will strike us during an economic collapse. | ||
| So they're even getting you ready for the script. | ||
| The terrorists like to tell you what's going to happen so they get credibility when the terror attack happens. | ||
| I know their criminology and their game plan, so I'm able to predict exactly what they'll do. | ||
| I just told you yesterday, and I've told you in the last year, over and over again, the bombings will start in Europe. | ||
| They will then spread to the United States. | ||
| But it will only happen during the banker receivership takeover, so everyone will be distracted from that and run worshipping to their loving, murdering government leaders. | ||
| So his immediate reaction, like this is minutes after the show starts, is that he wants to make it sure that you know that this is a false flag. | ||
| This is the government bankers staging something to get you to stop thinking about the idea that a lot of European economies are in trouble right now. | ||
| I would say that that's irresponsible. | ||
| But the other thing that he's doing, I believe he already started in the first clip, was he's trying to compare it to Oklahoma City. | ||
| He's going to again later. | ||
| He's trying to anchor that connection in people's minds. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| He's doing a lot of work in terms of trying to associate unrelated things to this event in order to further his argument, which is baseless, entirely baseless, that this is... | ||
| A false flag. | ||
| The bankers are pulling a false flag. | ||
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I don't know. | |
| Sonia, by all accounts, you were a sweet person. | ||
| You've given me every indication that you're a kind-hearted woman, and now I kind of think you hate me. | ||
| I think you hate me. | ||
| I think you've decided to be cruel to me. | ||
| That's something that I was thinking as I was getting this ready. | ||
| I was like, man, I love and hate Sonia so much right now. | ||
| This is not great! | ||
| Well, I will say that doing the research to get this episode together was one of the most... | ||
| Six of one, half dozen of the other kind of experiences because I do like digging into stuff. | ||
| I like having a topic to learn about and understand. | ||
| But also it turns out that this one is not something that's incredibly fun to understand. | ||
| Yeah, that's why I'm saying this is an attack on me specifically. | ||
| Like, you at least get the modicum of enjoyment from doing a solid amount of research. | ||
| I was up until four in the morning reading nonsense the other night. | ||
| Yeah, and it's what you were built to do, Dan. | ||
| I guess so. | ||
| And I am just an emotional fucking time bomb. | ||
| The fact that I can weather it, I guess, says something... | ||
| Not great about myself, or good. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know what it is. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| So let's move along, because we've got a lot of ground to cover, and I don't want us to necessarily... | ||
| Debate the merits of Sonya's hatred for me. | ||
| Right, exactly. | ||
| So Alex in this next clip gets into some predictions that he has, and I would say that all of them are not good. | ||
| And they'll probably have some mentally ill Patsies that were involved in this that they blame. | ||
| He'll be completely drugged up for the rest of their lives in prison. | ||
| You'll never see him in the media. | ||
| You'll see a fake letter put out. | ||
| He knows nothing about Oslo's prison system. | ||
| No, and Anders Breivik, since he went to prison, has tried to sue the government for violating his human rights. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| In terms of his prison cell, he actually won the first case, and then it was overturned in the appeals court, and the Supreme Court upheld the appeal, so they were like, no, we didn't. | ||
| On the rule of... | ||
| Fuck that guy. | ||
| PlayStation 3 clause. | ||
| You're fine. | ||
| Fuck you, man. | ||
| So, I mean, he's been out a bunch. | ||
| There are articles periodically about various shifts he's made. | ||
| I will say that from my research, I know that before the attack, he was very against Nazis. | ||
| He was against Hitler and the National Socialists because he believed that they... | ||
| They got the wrong guys? | ||
| No, because they had done a disservice to the Germanic white race because they created through their foolhardishness or whatever. | ||
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Israel. | |
| Well, no, because he's not against Israel either. | ||
| What the fuck is this guy? | ||
| This guy's very confusing and it's tough to... | ||
| This is frustrating! | ||
| It's tough to nail down and I'll do my best to explain all of it in due time. | ||
| But he's against Hitler and the Nazis before the attack because if they hadn't have tried to do this genocide that they did, and he is not a Holocaust denier at all, which I found very strange. | ||
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What? | |
| Fuck you, man! | ||
| He thinks that because of their actions, the blowback from it created the multiculturalism and the political correct society that he is so against. | ||
| So he doesn't hate Hitler for the reasons you should. | ||
| He hates him because the aftermath of it has created the world that we live in today where there's a plurality of people's rights and things like that. | ||
| And there's the idea that people should be able to live together in peace. | ||
| So he's kind of more like a... | ||
| Like, one of those white nationalists who's like, no, no, no, no, I don't hate black people, I just think we should have a white nation for white people, and then a black nation for black people, and then a Muslim nation for Muslim people. | ||
| He's into ethnostates, for sure. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| But he's also, it's tough to unpack if he hates, like, Chinese or black people or things like that. | ||
| He just hates. | ||
| Because he's singularly focused on Muslims. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So they're... | ||
| There is probably a lot of bigotry underneath, but the more you dig into him and read things that people who knew him before would say, like past co-workers... | ||
| He was such a quiet guy. | ||
| No, not quite. | ||
| There's a consistent thread of he was a really good worker, he was very competent, but he would really get bothered and annoyed by Pakistani people dating white people and stuff like that. | ||
| Pakistani men dating white women. | ||
| And just any time Muslims would come up, he'd get mad and stuff like that. | ||
| So it seems like there's a real stick in his crawl, as it were, about those specific folk. | ||
| So I don't... | ||
| Just fucking go to bed. | ||
| Fuck you. | ||
| My point of pausing this clip is just to say Alex's prediction of this guy being a drugged up lunatic who you never see again is 100% wrong. | ||
| No, he's a clear-eyed fucking terrorist murderer. | ||
| And spoke in court to the effect of, I apologize, I didn't kill more people. | ||
| He's a psychopath who is a, yeah, fuck that guy. | ||
| Even if the people blew themselves up in the cars, they will find the passports on damage, and that will be considered the immaculate, invincible passport made out of antimantium steel that Thor's hammer is made out of. | ||
| It's not made out of antimantium. | ||
| And no one will question it, of course. | ||
| And it'll turn out that the Muslim extremist in this case... | ||
| We're helped by the government, but that'll be a side issue and no big deal. | ||
| So eyewitnesses report total chaos. | ||
| So Alex is going out on a limb and saying this is Muslim terrorists and they were abetted by the government and probably blew themselves up in the car. | ||
| All of these predictions completely wrong. | ||
| All of this is him getting on air immediately and creating a narrative that is irresponsible and based on nothing other than his quote-unquote gut or whatever. | ||
| His deep research that he does is like, every time it's stuff like this. | ||
| And it's not. | ||
| It's absolutely not. | ||
| Like right now, today, we are in a situation where in 2018, we're recording this on Sunday, there was a mass shooting this morning in Jacksonville. | ||
| In the same way that we don't have all the details while we're recording this, it would be irresponsible for us to decide who did it. | ||
| create some sort of a storyline out of that. | ||
| Right. | ||
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You know, if we were to say, oh, look at this, another white guy shooting up the place, whether or not that is the truth that comes out, we don't know that while we're recording this. | |
| Nope. | ||
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And it would be fucking irresponsible of us to say that to people who may listen to us and think we know something. | |
| So he's doing that about this, and it's disgraceful. | ||
| It's real gross. | ||
| And it's even grosser than you even know. | ||
| Oh, great. | ||
| For some reason, we deal with his white supremacy all the time. | ||
| We deal with all of his shit all the time, but any time he minimizes tragedy... | ||
| The way that he does, like after any of these mass shootings, after any of that shit where all of these people die and he turns them into props. | ||
| That might as well be fucking mannequins. | ||
| Well, he goes full-tilled boogie. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Isn't that even worse now that you know what this episode's about? | ||
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That's so worse. | |
| That's so worse. | ||
| Yeah, crazy. | ||
| God, this is just such a fucking punch to the gut. | ||
| Yeah, and I'm sorry to bring this into your life, but I do think by the time we get to the end of this, you'll understand much more fully why I think that this is... | ||
| As much as I'm mad at Sony for making me learn about this and you hear about this, I think that I'm overwhelmed by how much I appreciate her pointing us in this direction and saying, hey, what happened that day? | ||
| Because I think that we can highlight something that is very demonstrative of a big, big problem about Alex Jones that I think that we have tipped the iceberg of, perhaps, but I don't think that we've necessarily... | ||
| Dealt with in the way that we should, and we're going to over the course of this episode. | ||
| This is astonishing that we talk about his bullshit regarding Sandy Hook all the time, but this, this fucking shit, goddamn! | ||
| It's so much worse, man. | ||
| We're only on the third clip. | ||
| God damn! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So you hit the nail right on the head that he seems to enjoy this a bit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like at the beginning of the episode, the first clip we played, he was talking about the shooting and the bombing with tones of kind of like almost excitement about it. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Like there's total chaos. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's doing like an announcer-y voice about it. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And that continues into this next clip. | ||
| I really think he's relishing the fact that there's some sort of tragedy that doesn't touch him. | ||
| Now, obviously, you know about the devastating explosion that went off in Oslo, Norway, their capital. | ||
| Blast blows out most of the windows of the government building, housing the prime minister's office. | ||
| Massive vehicle bomb. | ||
| A bomb inside a vehicle. | ||
| We've got some footage of that. | ||
| We're rolling for PrisonPlanet.tv viewers right now. | ||
| Also, there's a report of people trapped in the building. | ||
| It looks like Oklahoma City-style devastation. | ||
| If you haven't seen the video, if you're listening on the radio, eyewitnesses report total chaos. | ||
| So he's doing that voice with a total chaos. | ||
| There's almost like a... | ||
| It leads. | ||
| This is bleeding. | ||
| This is going to lead. | ||
| That kind of thing. | ||
| Which is gross. | ||
| And then you see him bringing up Oklahoma City again. | ||
| He's trying to anchor those thoughts in your mind. | ||
| The idea that there was a car bombing that went off. | ||
| He's making it... | ||
| And unfortunately, there are similarities to Oklahoma City. | ||
| And I know from researching this that he knew about Oklahoma City. | ||
| And was inspired in terms of his planning by what Timothy McVeigh did. | ||
| And he was frustrated by the fact that he had done it because it made it much more difficult to get the bomb supplies that he needed to get. | ||
| In order to make his truck bomb. | ||
| Because people realized at that point, oh shit, this fertilizer, let's make sure we keep track of who's buying a ton of this for no reason. | ||
| So he lamented the idea that the crackdowns had happened since Oklahoma City. | ||
| And he hates Timothy McVeigh the same way he hates the Nazis. | ||
| Like, you guys fucked it up for me. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| Sue. | ||
| Oh, kill him. | ||
| Kill him! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| All right. | ||
| So in this next clip, we get Alex Jones saying even more that this is a false flag. | ||
| And he gives his prediction on... | ||
| He actually gets really specific about whether or not this is a real thing. | ||
| And they like to target children. | ||
| School buses are a favorite. | ||
| And they're going to move these systems into the United States and Europe. | ||
| He's talking about the globalists. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Or he might as well be talking about the Muslims. | ||
| When the total collapse of Europe began, next they'll move to the United States and England. | ||
| And right as the banks seize the pension funds, go after the private pension funds, right as they slash benefits but increase taxes, the terror attacks will be staged so that you are distracted by that and rally around the government in fear. | ||
| They will also use it to knock off enemies. | ||
| They like to kill multiple birds with one stone. | ||
| And we're doing research right now on the leader of Norway. | ||
| I was already aware of this individual. | ||
| No, you weren't. | ||
| Not going along with the EU. | ||
| I didn't even know Oslo wasn't a country. | ||
| So they will also then not just get everybody to rally around the corrupt bureaucracy by staging terror attacks through the different variants. | ||
| We don't know what type this is yet. | ||
| But with the timing, it's not the very rare actual terror attack. | ||
| I can tell you right now, 98% chance. | ||
| There is a chance it could be real. | ||
| I would say 2%. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| 2% chance this is real. | ||
| So Alex is correct in one sense in that he's accurately read from reports that it was probable that Anders Breivik was trying to target the Prime Minister of Norway. | ||
| And the reason is because he had deemed him a supporter of multiculturalism and someone who is unacceptable. | ||
| I can't remember. | ||
| He has three classifications of traitors, Class A, B, and C traitors. | ||
| I can't remember which one he deemed the President or Prime Minister of Norway to be, but that was a big... | ||
| And additionally, Utoya Island, that youth camp that he targeted, was from the Labour Party, which he also deemed to be a party that supported multiculturalism. | ||
| That's why they were a target. | ||
| And also, a former politician who he deemed to be one of the big supporters of multiculturalism in Norway's past was scheduled to give a speech there. | ||
| And she did go give a speech there, but had already left by the time he got there because he got caught in traffic and shit on the way over to the island. | ||
| So the idea that, like, Alex is kind of, I mean, he's wrong about the globalists doing this. | ||
| But Anders Breivik absolutely was targeting these people for the reason of killing them. | ||
| Woo, boy! | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| Ugh. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Whites! | ||
| Come on! | ||
| Let's get out of here. | ||
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What? | |
| Look, all whites, everybody, everybody sucks. | ||
| Just, like, we got it, we got it, we got it. | ||
| Blow us up in space. | ||
| I know that- Put us all in a fucking arc, blow it up halfway through the journey. | ||
| I know that this expression has taken on, like, a slightly different meaning in the last year or two, but it's like, white guys, take a knee. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Sit this one out. | ||
| Go away. | ||
| Or just relax. | ||
| Relax. | ||
| Underground. | ||
| Listen. | ||
| Underground! | ||
| Build them a hole! | ||
| Listen. | ||
| Take things more seriously that don't directly involve you, or you think don't directly involve you. | ||
| Because this does. | ||
| This absolutely does. | ||
| It's fascinating to me because I always knew about Anders Breivik, and I understood that he was a bigot and committed these crimes and things like that. | ||
| But I didn't understand the full picture of it. | ||
| And I think that the media did a really terrible job of explaining what he was about and really looking at the full picture. | ||
| Because I think once you know some of the stuff that we're going to get into as this goes along, I think that you have to face the music in terms of... | ||
| What he was inspired by, what his goals were, the people who were philosophically aligned with him, things like that. | ||
| And I think you have to deal with what are the commonalities of rhetoric that are being put out by him and other folk? | ||
| And is it safe to say... | ||
| That he is the logical extension of that rhetoric. | ||
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Right. | |
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, I think that you really have to wrestle with issues like that, and it's not fun to do. | ||
| It's really, really not fun to do. | ||
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Right. | |
| Especially at 3.30 in the morning. | ||
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Right. | |
| Looking at this and like, oh no. | ||
| Is this... | ||
| Not to jump ahead, because I assume you are going to fucking hammer it home, but was this the guy... | ||
| Who is inspired by that one dude in the late 70s? | ||
| No. | ||
| Or was it another guy more recently who was a huge fan of this guy? | ||
| Who is a political... | ||
| I think a lot of people on the right have been inspired by him. | ||
| I'll say that. | ||
| He was mostly inspired, in terms of his origin, from the bombing of Serbia in the 90s. | ||
| That was something that was like a watershed moment for him. | ||
| I'll just cut the bullshit. | ||
| Put out a manifesto, and I read it. | ||
| Oh, of course he did. | ||
| Why wouldn't he? | ||
| That's where I... | ||
| And we'll get to... | ||
| He has a study. | ||
| Of course he put out a goddamn... | ||
| No, it was before. | ||
| This is pre-use. | ||
| This is pre-use. | ||
| I will get into all that. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| In terms of presentation and putting on a show, I was kind of hoping to hold that card and... | ||
| Sorry! | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| I had to get it in. | ||
| I had to get it out. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| It's more... | ||
| You didn't force my hand at all. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| It was more that I recognized that I kept saying... | ||
| I have something and we'll get into it in a bit. | ||
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Right. | |
| And I feel like I'm teasing in a way that's inappropriate. | ||
| And I should just tell you, a lot of questions are answered from his manifesto. | ||
| And we'll get into that in a little bit. | ||
| You were teasing like Jamie Lee Curtis in True Lies. | ||
| Patriot Games? | ||
| Wait, she wasn't in Patriot Games. | ||
| She wasn't in Patriot Games. | ||
| True Lies, the Arnold Schwarzenegger book. | ||
| Yes, yes. | ||
| It was a fine movie. | ||
| Tom Arnold. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Anyway. | |
| I celebrate his catalog. | ||
| The stupids, I swear to God, it is still funny in the wrong way. | ||
| I've seen that like four times. | ||
| It's funny in the wrong way. | ||
| It's so good. | ||
| It's one of the few movies my parents love. | ||
| I don't know why. | ||
| It's stupid. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think we love the books. | ||
| Speaking of the stupids, Alex Jones. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| So we... | ||
| In our 2009 investigation, one of my primary goals is to find out when Alex Jones started talking about George Soros. | ||
| And so far, as we've gone through 2009, we've not seen any mention of him. | ||
| There was one working theory, I didn't fully believe this, but there was one working theory that it was in 2014 Alex would have jumped on the Soros bandwagon because of Soros' involvement against Putin. | ||
| In Ukraine. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That he was a force trying to open societies up and stand against the encroachment of Russian influence. | ||
| And if I remember correctly, there was something to do with his son being specifically targeted. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Well, no, there was more that Alex Soros before then would go and party in Russia, and then he was kicked out and wasn't allowed back in the country, from what I understand. | ||
| So that was one working theory. | ||
| I didn't think that was necessarily the case, but it was open for a possibility. | ||
| And because of this next clip, we now know it was at least before 2011. | ||
| Also, we told you this last week because of our sources that you could look for a criminal investigation to be opened by the George Soros Justice Department. | ||
| And I'm not saying there shouldn't be an investigation, but again, you have Satan investigating. | ||
| I mean, this is ridiculous. | ||
| James Murdoch denies misleading panel. | ||
| Reuters, Bloomberg, News of the World workers are offered jobs in Siberia. | ||
| So the old joke, we'll send you to Siberia or the North Pole. | ||
| Dow Jones outpost. | ||
| Justice Department prepares subpoenas and News Corp inquiry to feed that, of course, into Soros. | ||
| So this is about the News Corp scandal back in 2011. | ||
| I felt bad because I didn't preface that. | ||
| Soros isn't doing an investigation into Brevik. | ||
| No. | ||
| Also, Satan investigating Baphomet, I believe, was an issue of the Vertigo comic Lucifer, which was a spinoff of Sandman. | ||
| Ooh, Sandman. | ||
| Great ECW wrestler who terrifies my dreams. | ||
| Not quite. | ||
| Just had to get our mandatory wrestling reference in. | ||
| Check that off the box for today. | ||
| Check it off, yep. | ||
| So Alex does dance around a little bit towards this point of the episode where he's kind of like, I've said my piece about Anders Breivik. | ||
| Or he doesn't even know the name or anything like that. | ||
| Of course not. | ||
| He would have to do a modicum of research. | ||
| He said his piece about the Norway situation and now sort of dances off into other topics. | ||
| But because... | ||
| He wants to fully reinforce his narrative after complaining about Soros getting his fingers in the pies of the News Corp investigation. | ||
| Whether or not that's true, I have no idea. | ||
| He gets right back to calling this a false flag. | ||
| Well, I'm sure Norway's going to go along with the bailout of the bankers, which is really the takeover of the bankers. | ||
| After all, they need to do what the government says. | ||
| Terrorists just hit them and hit them hard today. | ||
| You can look for that every time bankers take down a country the terrorists hit. | ||
| So everybody, again, rallies around the government. | ||
| Breaking. | ||
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Oslo blasts targets. | |
| Prime Minister's office. | ||
| Massive vehicle bomb. | ||
| Report. | ||
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People trapped. | |
| Eyewitnesses. | ||
| So again, he's just reading that exact same headline. | ||
| He doesn't have anything past that headline. | ||
| You've heard him read it like four times already. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And do that same verbal lilt on the total chaos. | ||
| Yeah, just... | ||
| A mockery. | ||
| A mockery of a tragedy. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I think that's fair. | ||
| Just to remind you, car bombs and all of this stuff, but we know what it really is. | ||
| It's the bankers. | ||
| Also, you can find plenty of instances of terrorist attacks that have had nothing to do with banker takeovers. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And stuff like that. | ||
| If you want to say that, like... | ||
| You can point out a few times that there have been countries in financial trouble where terrorist attacks have happened. | ||
| That doesn't prove anything. | ||
| That is, at best, a coincidence. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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You need to do better than that. | |
| Or even further, perhaps if you are in financial trouble and you see that there is a ruling class that does not share within that financial trouble... | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| This one's straight-up psychopathy. | ||
| Hate. | ||
| So, here's another. | ||
| Alex Jones wants to cite some more statistics about bombings. | ||
| And, boy, I'd love to see some citations on this. | ||
| 0% of bombings committed by white people are terrorism. | ||
| 100% of bombings committed by brown people are Muslim attacks. | ||
| No, because at this point... | ||
| That's a strange statistic to flout around. | ||
| At this point, he still thinks it's Muslims who did it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That are being funded by bankers. | ||
| Oh, but even then, the Muslims are a false flag. | ||
| He doesn't know... | ||
| He should know by now, because I believe reports had already come out, that it was a white guy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, he should know that. | ||
| And he will down the... | ||
| Right. | ||
| So here's his stat. | ||
| And again, I need citations. | ||
| So we're going to continue breaking all of that down. | ||
| But I cannot state any more clearly to all of you out there just how big of a deal this is, just how huge it is that... | ||
| There have been bombings in Europe because nine times out of ten or more, these bombings in Europe and the United States are completely 100% staged. | ||
| Yikes. | ||
| 90% of the time they are 100% staged. | ||
| Nine out of ten times. | ||
| Everything is the globalists meddling around. | ||
| Trying to force... | ||
| I don't fucking know at this point. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| He does a really smart thing that I think he lost track of a little bit later in his career. | ||
| He's saying that this is fake. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But he's couching his language in a really smart way that makes it so like, in case I get in trouble for this, all I said is 98% chance it's fake. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| All I said is 9 out of 10 times it's fake. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You make your own conclusions from there. | ||
| Right. | ||
| He's telling his audience it's fake. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| But he has, in the same way when he says, I'm going to kill you politically, he's couching his language in such a way that it's like, all stakes are off, I'm not saying shit, it doesn't mean anything, there's no consequences for me behaving this way. | ||
| Ha ha ha, buy my shit. | ||
| I am saying this is fake, but I am also implying that it might not be fake, but I'm telling you to err on the side of this is fake, and definitely, if somebody tells you otherwise, well... | ||
| Well, there's a 98% chance they're lying to you. | ||
| They might be in on it. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| They might be a fucking globalist. | ||
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Right. | |
| Better get them in a hot tub. | ||
| What are you going to believe? | ||
| Like, oh, statistically, they're most likely lying to you about it not being fake. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So even if it is real, you'll never be able to believe them that it's not real because you're fucking crazy because I'm fucking crazy. | ||
| I think you did a thorough breakdown of that line of thinking there. | ||
| Yeah, something along those lines. | ||
| I would say so. | ||
| So, we know in 2018... | ||
| Alex Jones' SNL reel includes his great Chris Cuomo impression. | ||
| Right. | ||
| His great impression of George Soros slash Dracula. | ||
| Yeah, Bernie hasn't come into the play yet. | ||
| Well, of course, that is his best impression. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Now, it would be surprising for us to find out that he kind of likes Bernie in 2011. | ||
| Would that surprise you? | ||
| No! | ||
| Well, here's a clip. | ||
| Senator Bernie Sanders has released the Fed audit. | ||
| A partial audit confirming $16 trillion in secret payments to foreign banks and private individuals and companies like MSNBC in the last two years. | ||
| $16 trillion. | ||
| That's not a real amount of money. | ||
| This is what the heist is about. | ||
| This is why government's going along with it. | ||
| They're getting paid off. | ||
| And Senator Sanders shouldn't get on airplanes anytime soon. | ||
| I'll tell you that right now. | ||
| So he has like a positive impression of Bernie Sanders at this point because he is interested in auditing the Fed. | ||
| He was the most popular politician in America. | ||
| Not in 2011. | ||
| Among people who knew him. | ||
| Yeah, perhaps. | ||
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| And also was a socialist back then, too. | ||
| But that's why there's no way I didn't believe you that he was a huge fan of Bernie's at the time. | ||
| Because the more vehement he is towards somebody now, the more likely it is that there's a 98% chance that prior to... | ||
| Nine times out of ten. | ||
| Nine times out of ten, there's a 100% chance that prior to 2015, everything that he believed was upside-down world. | ||
| With an exception of Rand and Ron Paul. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But that's just because... | ||
| And white fear. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| Well, but I was talking about, like, specific people. | ||
| Right, right, right, right. | ||
| Seems like they get a pass, and I think a lot of that has to do with Ron Paul's old newsletters, quite frankly. | ||
| So I don't know if that's a great thing. | ||
| Somehow I really want to know how he felt about Ross Perot right now. | ||
| I bet he loved him. | ||
| He's Texas. | ||
| Right? | ||
| He loved him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's no way we could find those episodes. | ||
| I know, but I want to know now. | ||
| I should call in. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I bet what he would say is like Ross Perot had good ideas, but he was misguided, and then the globalists came in and threatened to kill him, and that's why he went out of the election. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I remember that. | ||
| He ended up leaving the election because the globalists were too afraid that he was going to actually take states. | ||
| But then he accidentally wound up on the ballot anyway, so he's like, fuck it, why not? | ||
| Gonna do it. | ||
| Is that Bernie Sanders that you just did right there? | ||
| You know what's going on? | ||
| From my childhood watching SNL sketches, I don't fucking really know if I know the difference between Dana Carvey's impressions. | ||
| Of Ross Perot or George H.W. Bush. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| I know that they're different, but at the same time, I'm not sure which one is which. | ||
| I'm genuine. | ||
| I agree with you. | ||
| I agree with you. | ||
| Bill Hartman's Bill Clinton is Bill Clinton more than Bill Clinton is. | ||
| Best of all of those, though, is Norm MacDonald's Bob Dole. | ||
| Oh, Norm MacDonald's Bob Dole is the best. | ||
| Until this year when you have a Tamanik and a Domian with their Bernie and Trump irrespectively. | ||
| That's stepping the game up so fucking hard in terms of political impressions. | ||
| I don't know if anyone can ever top that. | ||
| So, in this next clip, Alex is still off the Norway situation. | ||
| He's sort of rambling about his fears about the economy. | ||
| I'm looking at actually, I'm not going to get into it. | ||
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You are. | |
| I mean, building a fortress. | ||
| Because... | ||
| In fact, I'm not looking at it. | ||
| I've got to do it. | ||
| I'm so busy fighting here. | ||
| I know my family's not safe. | ||
| I've already run to the countryside in preparation for this. | ||
| And so have all the other people who are aware of what's going on. | ||
| So have government people. | ||
| That's on record. | ||
| You know, rich moving to the country, building armored compounds. | ||
| Why do you think? | ||
| Yeah, like Peter Thiel. | ||
| And this could still be partially reversed. | ||
| You see, instead it's going to be accelerated, and then the very people that orchestrated it, they're going to be in charge. | ||
| Of the next solution and being our protectors. | ||
| And if we get to uppity, terrorists just blew up a building. | ||
| You're not allowed to use the word uppity. | ||
| Oh, whoops. | ||
| He accidentally got back to the Norway topic while he's rambling about other stuff. | ||
| So Alex is going to build a fortress. | ||
| That's very exciting. | ||
| What good is a partial reversal? | ||
| First question. | ||
| Second question, what kind of fortress? | ||
| Are we talking like 14th century Irish castle? | ||
| Are we talking like... | ||
| Well, he's Welsh. | ||
| He has Welsh heritage. | ||
| So I would assume something along those lines would be involved. | ||
| Something from the South England tradition. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Well, the strange part is this is the only situation where I am truly, genuinely racist. | ||
| I don't like the Welsh. | ||
| I just don't like the Welsh. | ||
| Is that racist? | ||
| Probably. | ||
| Why not? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Negative one point for your racism. | ||
| Negative one point for my racism towards the Welsh. | ||
| Your anti-Welsh bigotry. | ||
| Anti-Welsh bigotry is my thing. | ||
| You gotta have one. | ||
| I'm biased against people who build fortresses. | ||
| Unless you're a child, and then it's fun. | ||
| Like, you're building a pillow fortress. | ||
| Maybe you made it out of snow! | ||
| Or, yeah. | ||
| Alright, guys, I'm gonna build an igloo. | ||
| Hey, listen. | ||
| Also, the floor is lava. | ||
| Jump from couch to couch, goddammit. | ||
| Kids, you're playing. | ||
| No one's exempt. | ||
| So, I just think that's fun and demonstrates a sort of state of mind. | ||
| Very serious paranoia. | ||
| In this next clip, though, this is a clip I might have heard differently a month ago. | ||
| Because on a recent episode, we found from present day in 2018, Alex confessing on air that he probably killed a dude. | ||
| He did probably kill a dude. | ||
| Technically. | ||
| Which is still killing a dude. | ||
| And that, of course, is going to come into play of how I hear various clips about his past violence. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's almost like we need to go back and start all over again. | ||
| From the top! | ||
| Hey, what was the first episode we did? | ||
| 2017, January. | ||
| Let's start it up. | ||
| The secret of 2017 is probably much worse now. | ||
| It's that he killed a guy! | ||
| So I now hear this next clip, and I think he might have killed a couple of guys. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| They did this to take over. | ||
| They have taken over. | ||
| But if a guy comes to your house and says, at gunpoint, get over there, I'm tying you up, and I'm going to rape your wife, just because he has a gun and has taken over your society doesn't mean he has a right to do it. | ||
| And we're going to have to gut up, and even if he ends up shooting us, fall down and grovel and act like we're scared, then grab the gun away. | ||
| By the way, I'm not just talking. | ||
| I've actually done that growing up in Dallas. | ||
| A knife and a gun. | ||
| Well, in one case I didn't grovel. | ||
| One time I did. | ||
| The other time I just waited and grabbed the thing away and, well, I'm not going to get into the rest of it. | ||
| But it's in the police files in Dallas and Rockwall. | ||
| The point is that you don't have a choice. | ||
| I'm not going to sit here and watch my family rape, okay? | ||
| Fine. | ||
| He left Dallas and Rockwall and moved to Austin in his sophomore year of high school. | ||
| So he would have been 15, 16 at the time. | ||
| Whatever he's describing could very well be true and in police reports that are closed because he was a minor. | ||
| Those aren't accessible to public searches and things like that. | ||
| So the idea that when you do some sort of a check on Alex in terms of arrests, warrants, things like that, something doesn't come up, he straight up could have stabbed a dude in a fight. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When he was a minor, and it's not anywhere on his... | ||
| And I'm absolutely certain none of our listeners would be able to find that, ever. | ||
| I don't think they could. | ||
| There's no possibility. | ||
| I don't think they could. | ||
| Unless they had access to the internal database of... | ||
| I don't want them to do that. | ||
| Anybody listening to Knowledge Fight work for Dallas and Rockwell Police Department? | ||
| I don't want anybody to do that, because I believe in the sanctity of covering up childhood criminal... | ||
| And not because I got arrested as a kid or anything like that. | ||
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No, no, no. | |
| I get you. | ||
| I think that that's a really good part of society in terms of, like, you know, you get arrested for stealing something as a kid, and once you get older, if you haven't committed more crimes, it's erased from your record or whatever. | ||
| Your brain wasn't fully formed and yada, yada, yada. | ||
| No, I respect that. | ||
| I think that that's important. | ||
| And so I would like to... | ||
| In Alex Jones' case, though, as we know, he is still a child, so... | ||
| It's true. | ||
| In a certain sense... | ||
| All of his records should either be expunged or public. | ||
| And I also, like, I mean, if he killed a dude in a street fight, like, that's different than, like, stealing or something like that. | ||
| It's a little bit different. | ||
| Still, I respect the privacy of it. | ||
| And I also think there's something to be said for the idea of, like, what he's describing here is possibly self-defense. | ||
| So, like, if he did get into a fight with someone who had a knife and he ended up stabbing that guy or something like that with the guy's own knife, I don't think that that's murder, although also Alex Jones is an unreliable narrator. | ||
| A little bit. | ||
| So the idea that it is self-defense, I think, is even up for question. | ||
| Furthermore, once again, to hammer this point home, how do you think he would have been tried? | ||
| Were he not a white dude? | ||
| No, don't. | ||
| No. | ||
| All racism in Dallas is against white people. | ||
| We all know that from Alex's. | ||
| Oh, that's right. | ||
| No, that's right. | ||
| Alex has very clearly told us about that. | ||
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That's true. | |
| That's true. | ||
| I apologize. | ||
| I retract that statement. | ||
| Don't play games. | ||
| I'm sure Jerry Jones is a great guy. | ||
| Hee-haw! | ||
| That was my impression of him. | ||
| I assume he said something like that in the Cowboys locker room. | ||
| I'm not sure. | ||
| Anyway, in this next clip, the Department of Homeland Security had previously to this, probably at some point in 2011, maybe even before that, put out some publications, some indications that they believed that one of the things to be concerned about was homegrown terrorism. | ||
| The idea of white people committing terrorist acts was something that they wanted folks to be on the lookout for. | ||
| And good news! | ||
| It was unfounded! | ||
| I can't think of any! | ||
| Right. | ||
| Thanks, Department of Homeland Security, but no thanks. | ||
| We won't be needing your services. | ||
| So now Alex takes that and weaves it into his narrative about Norway, which is pretty interesting. | ||
| I'm also going to get into DHS denies racial overtones in white middle class terrorist video. | ||
| White. | ||
| They responded to Breitbart. | ||
| Fox News, the Daily Mail, to our story that broke yesterday and was the number six largest story, according to Alexa, on the web yesterday. | ||
| Chuck your own dick. | ||
| It's even bigger today. | ||
| Every talk radio show I've tuned into is talking about it. | ||
| And giving Infowars.com credit. | ||
| That's great, because more folks will come and find the truth of what's going on at Infowars.com. | ||
| The Prairie Home Companion, too? | ||
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We're going to be going over... | |
| Here's Fox News. | ||
| DHS video characterizes terrorists as white Americans. | ||
| Misrepresentation. | ||
| Here's the mail. | ||
| Who does Homeland Security think poses the greatest risk? | ||
| Video portrays white middle class as the most likely terrorist. | ||
| Probably fair. | ||
| Here's Breitbart says they contacted Homeland Security to confirm it was their video. | ||
| Kind of like when we got the MIAC report saying returning veterans are the number one terrorist. | ||
| People couldn't believe it for a week. | ||
| Even Ron Paul couldn't believe it. | ||
| And he said, no, Alex does have a real classified document. | ||
| Of course I did. | ||
| You think we make anything up here now? | ||
| Yes! | ||
| Generally, yes. | ||
| Also, 90% of the time, 100% of the time. | ||
| Fake laugh? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Everyone drink. | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| It's been so... | ||
| That reflex is gone now because the more we spend time in the present, it never lasts. | ||
| And I think we're a little shell-shocked on this episode, too. | ||
| There's a lot of heaviness and we're desperately trying to make some fun along the way. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But yes, Alex, I do think that you make up a lot of stuff. | ||
| And that's a really shitty sort of misunderstanding of what the Department of Homeland Security was trying to express. | ||
| Also, it's really funny on this episode where we now know that the terrorist attack in Norway was carried out by a white person who had strictly non-multiculturalist views that inspired him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Alex is complaining about the United States being like... | |
| But Norway is a majority white country. | ||
| That would never happen in America, which is a... | ||
| All right. | ||
| All right. | ||
| So now we get a guest, Jordan. | ||
| We get a guest on the show. | ||
| Alex is pivoting away from the Norway talk. | ||
| And this guest isn't someone who we've encountered yet in the past, but she is someone who has a real fun backstory for me to tell you. | ||
| I've got to get to all the other news. | ||
| I haven't even hit the tip of the iceberg here. | ||
| But I know truth when I hear it. | ||
| And here's the problem. | ||
| I do all this research late night, every night. | ||
| Everything I heard her say was absolutely true. | ||
| And more. | ||
| And I'm driving down the highway listening to her a couple days ago on Dr. Stan Monteef's Genesis show. | ||
| It comes on like 4 or 5. And I'm driving around doing an errand, listening to about 20 minutes. | ||
| Drinking. | ||
| Janet Phelan, who's an investigative journalist. | ||
| And boy... | ||
| She's been through a lot for covering this, but everything she said is admitted. | ||
| Cool. | ||
| I know Janet Phelan's name. | ||
| Do you? | ||
| Why do I know her name? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| She's a writer who mostly... | ||
| It seems like a lot of what she covers is biological weapons. | ||
| It seems to be a topic that she covers a lot. | ||
| She's written a number of books. | ||
| One of them is called Hitler's Poems. | ||
| Which I tried but could not find a synopsis of. | ||
| I don't know if it's a positive book about Hitler and his poetry. | ||
| No, it was just a book of poetry. | ||
| It could be. | ||
| Written by Hitler. | ||
| Or poems about him. | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| I could not find any excerpts or anything, just that it exists. | ||
| You know what's crazy? | ||
| All limericks. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Hitler only wrote limericks. | ||
| There once was a Hitler from Nantucket. | ||
| I'll give you a little bit of information about Janet Phelan. | ||
| We'll see if any of this jogs her memory where you might know her from. | ||
| So Janet Phelan's an investigative journalist who largely seems to specialize in bioweapons and has made a career out of arguing that the United States has consistently and wantonly violated biological and chemical weapons treaties. | ||
| Her appearance on Alex Jones' show today that we're talking about is largely speculative, arguing that we don't know if the research that the labs are doing in the United States are offensive or defensive, but she provides nothing to suggest that they are, in fact, offensive. | ||
| It's an appeal to an argument as flimsy as who knows. | ||
| I mean, logically, the answer is... | ||
| Both, maybe. | ||
| But there is also... | ||
| You know, there's papers that come out, there's stories that come out that explain the research that's being done in terms of creating virulent strains of things. | ||
| Right. | ||
| One of the big reasons that they do it is to test defenses against them. | ||
| Right, exactly. | ||
| We'll get into a specific example of that here in a second. | ||
| No, and you ask yourself the question, why is it that we have a particularly dangerous smallpox virus in, like... | ||
| Held by, you know, people who are fallible. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know, that kind of thing. | ||
| And one of the reasons is because the idea that we aren't the only people who have Caches of smallpox. | ||
| And the idea of it becoming weaponized would destroy the fucking world. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| And so the idea is you try and come up with as many inoculations, as many cures that you can, try and find ways around, try to mitigate the damage of it becoming weaponized. | ||
| So there are researchers who do that. | ||
| It's like nuclear weapons. | ||
| Nobody should have them, but until nobody has them... | ||
| People should have them. | ||
| At the same time, I do think it's naive to think that we're not doing anything on that front. | ||
| Right, exactly. | ||
| The logical answer is both. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| And you get to just play a game with yourself and whatever you like to believe when you ask what is the primary motivation. | ||
| See, now that's a whole question that you can't really answer. | ||
| Primary motivation? | ||
| No, you can, but whatever you want to believe. | ||
| Right, but I mean, and even then, it's like... | ||
| What person is doing the research, you know? | ||
| Like, we can't know the intentions until we ask somebody and then you meet a real mad scientist and you're like, ooh, that's not good. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So Janet Phelan has an interesting career behind her. | ||
| She writes for and released a book called Exile through a publication called New Eastern Outlook. | ||
| Politico describes New Eastern Outlook as, quote, a geopolitical journal published by a government-chartered Russian Academy of Sciences. | ||
| And it runs headlines like, quote, Ukraine's Ku Klux Klan, NATO's new ally. | ||
| As the United States confronted Russian ally Bashar al-Assad for using chemical weapons against Syrian children this spring, the site trumpeted, quote, proof, Turkey did 2013's sarin attack and did this one too. | ||
| And, quote, exclusive, Trump apologized to Russia for Syrian attack. | ||
| The Budapest Beacon said that the New Eastern Outlook is, quote, known to be Kremlin-backed, a Russian propaganda outlet targeting foreign audiences. | ||
| An article in Sputnik with the headline, quote, Here's how Putin and healthy diet made Russian... | ||
| In China, a hit was based on an article from the New Eastern Outlook. | ||
| It is a front for a Russian state think tank, the Academy of Sciences, that puts out pro-Russian propaganda for foreign audiences. | ||
| How do you say super male vitality in Russian, Dan? | ||
| Supreme... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Andrei Vichik, one of the main forces behind New Eastern Outlook, wrote an article in 2015 titled, quote, How to Fight Western Propaganda, where he argues that... | ||
| Eastern propaganda! | ||
| where he argues that in order to counter the West, it's essential to focus on emotion. | ||
| He begins, quote, No! | ||
| No! | ||
| Quick answer! | ||
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No. | |
| Andre goes on to ask, quote, Do we counter the tactics and strategy of the destructive and ruthless empire with our honesty, with research, with telling and writing meticulously investigative facts? | ||
| Yes! | ||
| He does not directly answer that question, but it's heavily implied that the answer is no. | ||
| As he goes on to say, quote, All of them written by Hitler. | ||
| And so were political novels and films, passionate documentaries, even explicit cartoons and posters. | ||
| Garbals was great! | ||
| Some would ask, just because they are lying, should we lie as well? | ||
| No. | ||
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We should try to be as truthful as we can. | |
| He's a connoisseur! | ||
| We should try to be as truthful as we can, but our message should often be, quote, abridged, so the billions, not just the selected few, can understand it. | ||
| So he's going with the spark notes of reality, and he's leaning heavily towards not the real ones. | ||
| He's one of the main people behind the New Eastern Outlook, and his article here very clearly lays out, like, yeah, we should try and tell the truth, but abridged truth ain't truth, buddy. | ||
| Advocating for that is advocating for a murkiness effect. | ||
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Now, on the other hand, not entirely wrong. | |
| People react more to emotion than they do to reality. | ||
| If you're talking about that as a psychological assessment, sure, yeah. | ||
| That's accurate. | ||
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No, no, no. | |
| It's a lot easier to lie to people and ruin the world. | ||
| See? | ||
| Done. | ||
| Yeah, but as a sort of guiding principle for one of the people... | ||
| Who's in charge of the New Eastern Outlook. | ||
| I think that indicates to me that maybe they don't have a hard journalistic editorial stance. | ||
| They might not be as interested in it as we are. | ||
| In preservation of truth. | ||
| And when you say we, you mean you and I, not... | ||
| No, definitely not America or our media at all. | ||
| No. | ||
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Ever. | |
| So that's the publication that she works for and released a book through, which is a Russian foreign propaganda front that has a dicey relationship with the truth. | ||
| All right. | ||
| So then I'm assuming that means that... | ||
| I can trust everything she says in this interview. | ||
| Undoubtedly. | ||
| Implicitly. | ||
| Good. | ||
| So most of the interview... | ||
| I'm glad I don't have to use any higher-order thinking at all, Dan. | ||
| I prefer to just respond as though everything she says is absolutely true. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| Play that clip, Dan. | ||
| We're not going to listen to any of her. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Well, because most of it is just stuff, like, they can't possibly prove, and it's just nonsense. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Alex is talking about, like, level two, three, and four biological labs and stuff like that. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And he's like, some twos are threes, but some threes are fours. | ||
| And it's like, sure! | ||
| Is this a logic puzzle? | ||
| What are you doing? | ||
| All men are gentlemen, but not all gentlemen are men. | ||
| And you have to make sure that all sides show the same color. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's like, okay, great. | ||
| I was going through it, and I'm like, if we try and get into any of this, it's going to be a time suck, and I just don't think there's any use in it. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| You can just sort of punt and just say, like... | ||
| What's the level for biological research? | ||
| I think Alex might explain in this next clip. | ||
| So the point is, there are level 4 mouse pox that'll kill 99% of humans they come in contact with. | ||
| That's even mainstream news. | ||
| In level 3 facilities that aren't even level 3. So you got a sense of... | ||
| What does that mean? | ||
| You got a sense of what I'm talking about there. | ||
| That aren't even level 3? | ||
| Does that mean that they're... | ||
| They're secretly level 2. I think it has to do with the level of defense that's around it, like whether or not they have to be deep underground and shit like that. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So he talks about mousepox, and he actually talks about it multiple times on this episode, this idea that there's really dangerous mousepox, and he's like, it's mainstream news. | ||
| So I looked into it, and I found the article he's probably talking about. | ||
| Does it mean you break out in mice? | ||
| No. | ||
| So I found the article he's talking about, about the danger of mousepox, I'm assuming, because it sort of matches his... | ||
| His narrative. | ||
| It's true that there was an article, and there's a headline in the New York Times that reads, quote, bioterror researchers build a more lethal mousepox. | ||
| That is a fucking scary headline, but it seems pretty likely that Alex didn't read the rest of the article. | ||
| The article is about how researchers spliced a single gene into the existing mousepox virus that would make it super lethal in an effort to test preventative measures they had concocted, because it's often how we develop protections for humans. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Quote, "The scientists said that the results showed that the best defenses proved quite effective in preventing deadly disease not only in mice but probably in humans exposed So that's a really huge... | |
| Yeah, that's a plus. | ||
| Yeah, that's a really, really good thing. | ||
| If somebody starts sending mousepox all around, dude, we got mousepox against fighters. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It doesn't even just apply to the mousepox. | ||
| It applies to other sort of augmented smallpox viruses. | ||
| Like catpox? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Ratpox? | ||
| Cowpox. | ||
| Cowpox. | ||
| That is one of them. | ||
| That is real. | ||
| Let's just name animals and put pox at the end of it. | ||
| It's nearly invaluable, the idea of having this protection. | ||
| There's no other way to design them without designing the viruses that they would protect against. | ||
| I think it's not gross, but I think it's scary, certainly, the ideas about it. | ||
| And it's sort of weird to your thought process of, like, there's scientists sitting around giving these animals horrible diseases. | ||
| You don't like that. | ||
| But at the same time, thanks, New York Times, for the clickbaitiest headline you could possibly make instead of scientists. | ||
| Still working to protect you. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So Alex keeps trying to get people scared about the prospect of these diseases like mousepox getting out. | ||
| But from the article, quote, the leaders of the research said that the lethal mouse virus would have no effect on humans, even if it somehow escaped from the laboratory, which they said was safeguarded at biosafety level three. | ||
| The second highest degree of security. | ||
| But we know that's not really level three. | ||
| According to Alex. | ||
| With no evidence. | ||
| Quote, Do you mean the director of prologue to all zombie movies? | ||
| Many experiments have shown that mousepox does not cause disease in humans, he said. | ||
| Quote, experts said both the threat of such developments and the federal response seem part of the theoretical debate, not something to worry about for now. | ||
| They split over whether the research was prudent. | ||
| So any kind of arguments that happen in the actual scientific community, we're like, is this worth it? | ||
| Is it good? | ||
| Is it bad? | ||
| Is this a legitimate risk that we are defending against? | ||
| Or is it like, hey, great guys, you created a vaccine for mousepox. | ||
| A huge issue for mice. | ||
| Or is it? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Can only mammals get pox? | ||
| Is there, like, snake pox? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| All right, moving on. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So now we get back to the Norway situation, where a little bit later in the show, Alex has no reason to not know a lot of the details about it, other than him not really caring to, not really caring to do his job as a journalist. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And so he gets back to it, and in this clip, he makes it very clear that he knew that it would be jihadis. | ||
| The latest on the Oslo, Norway blast targeting the Prime Minister's office, massive vehicle bomb report, people trapped, eyewitnesses, total chaos, helpers of the global jihad claim responsibility. | ||
| So he read the exact same headline again. | ||
| And then, yeah, helpers of the jihad have claimed responsibility. | ||
| And this is an issue that's important. | ||
| A lot of times terrorist groups claim responsibility for things that they didn't do. | ||
| And that's why you have to always report those sorts of things in breaking situations with a caveat. | ||
| You can't just say, oh, they said they did it, they did it! | ||
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| So he's not doing that. | ||
| He's not following appropriate protocol. | ||
| Yeah, it's awfully smart for ISIS to claim responsibility for every terrorist bombing as though they are everywhere all the time. | ||
| To be fair, this was like a terrorist. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Like terrorists. | ||
| Creating terror. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That seems to help them when they take responsibility for things that... | ||
| You know, things that are terrifying. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And it's a really good gamble to make because oftentimes people don't survive these attacks, so they aren't there to say, no, I wasn't with them. | ||
| And even then, it's always a good gamble because, what, are people going to be mad at you that you're lying? | ||
| No, you're already a terrorist group. | ||
| You're already a terrorist group. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And two, enough people are going to believe you regardless of whether or not even they know that it's true. | ||
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| Like Alex or whomever. | ||
| In game theory, that's what's called a dominating strategy. | ||
| Yeah, that's a win-win. | ||
| Any other move is stupid. | ||
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| And you have to do it quick because another terrorist group might do the same thing. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So you've got to be the first one, and that's why there's misreporting very generally. | ||
| It'd be awful if the Sons of Anarchy tweeted that they did it. | ||
| The show? | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| It's Ron Perlman. | ||
| Hellboy! | ||
| This is right as Europe says no to the banker takeover. | ||
| Oh, look, terrorists hit you. | ||
| Better do what the government says. | ||
| We keep you safe. | ||
| Mandress's police officer opens fire. | ||
| Now, reportedly, there's been shootings. | ||
| In fact, we should have just shifted to this earlier. | ||
| This is so big. | ||
| At a summer camp also in Norway. | ||
| Four killed. | ||
| And I guess this is white al-Qaeda hitting again. | ||
| We were told white al-Qaeda was about to attack. | ||
| We'll see if... | ||
| They say he was dressed like a cop. | ||
| Help us! | ||
| They yelled. | ||
| Four kill. | ||
| The answer is get a Second Amendment there in Norway. | ||
| Hey, dumb fuck. | ||
| Guess what? | ||
| You can own guns in Norway. | ||
| Don't they have a shit ton of guns? | ||
| They don't have a Second Amendment because that's an American construct. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But hey, guess what? | ||
| Second Amendment to what? | ||
| Hey, guess what I know from reading his goddamn manifesto? | ||
| He bought the guns in Norway. | ||
| Legally. | ||
| You can buy guns except for automatic weapons in Norway. | ||
| They just have some standards, like in terms of if you're going to buy a gun, you need to have some training courses, and you need to give a valid reason for why you would want it. | ||
| Some of the reasons that they allow are hunting, sports, recreation, self-defense. | ||
| Track. | ||
| Track and field. | ||
| Through doing the shot put. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Or if you are employed in a protective capacity. | ||
| Security guard, yada, yada, yada. | ||
| Those are all valid reasons in Norway for you to own a gun. | ||
| Alex, you are a gun guy. | ||
| You should know gun laws. | ||
| Guns are not outlawed in Norway the same way he would like that to be the case. | ||
| I would say that the reason that the people were unarmed... | ||
| On a summer camp! | ||
| I wouldn't say smart enough, but he was aware enough to kill that guy immediately. | ||
| So he took that guy out. | ||
| It's almost like he targeted the guy with a gun in order to neutralize. | ||
| So Alex's only argument is like every one of those children should have had a gun. | ||
| Right, and that's what I don't want ever to be the case in our world. | ||
| That's absolutely the wrong angle on this. | ||
| They were at a fucking camp where they're learning and they're clearly politically motivated because it's a labor... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, like, I don't mean that to be a dig. | ||
| I hung out with all the kids who did Model UN when I was a kid. | ||
| No, yeah, they're political. | ||
| That's awesome. | ||
| All the debate kids, they're fucking nerds. | ||
| And it's really hard to zipline when you have an AK on your back. | ||
| You don't want them having guns. | ||
| Well, not because of anything they would do. | ||
| But they don't want guns either. | ||
| Yeah, just going from like, they're political nerds. | ||
| You don't want them having guns. | ||
| Well, you don't want them having guns because they would not know how to use them. | ||
| They're not the sort of fantasy Rambo kid that Alex is probably imagining. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Two of the kids were fucking 14 who got killed. | ||
| Like, it's disgusting. | ||
| Yeah, just to be super clear if you're listening to this. | ||
| The only reason we are laughing is because this tragedy is just beyond comprehension. | ||
| It's the only way to live. | ||
| Not only that. | ||
| That is a part of it. | ||
| But the prescriptions that Alex is making are fucking lunatic. | ||
| What we're doing is laughing about... | ||
| This stupidity of what he's trying to say, like, oh, well, they need a Second Amendment in Norway. | ||
| No, they fucking don't. | ||
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To what? | |
| The U.S. Constitution? | ||
| You can have guns. | ||
| And the idea of, like, oh, there was no one to protect those kids on the island. | ||
| There was. | ||
| The guy killed him immediately. | ||
| And you don't want these kids having guns. | ||
| It would make for, first of all, not a fun camp experience. | ||
| And then, second of all, like we're joking around about. | ||
| They don't want to have guns. | ||
| They want to go to camp. | ||
| You fuck. | ||
| God, this sucks. | ||
| This whole fucking thing just sucks. | ||
| Every part of being alive now kind of just sucks. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So now it's going to suck even more. | ||
| I'm going to get into the manifesto now that Alex has brought back up. | ||
| Alex has a copy of the manifesto? | ||
| No, he doesn't, but he's brought back up the situation. | ||
| One of the most difficult things when I was planning on how we were going to cover this episode is like, at what point do we get into this? | ||
| And I don't know. | ||
| I don't know if this is the best time to get into it, but we got it. | ||
| This is when we are doing it. | ||
| So, 90 minutes prior to embarking on the attack, Anders Breivik emailed his 1518-page manifesto to approximate... | ||
| That's too long. | ||
| This is why even if you're fucking crazy, you need an editor. | ||
| 1,508 pages? | ||
| A lot of it is copy and pasted from various other sources. | ||
| Too long. | ||
| He copy and pasted a bunch of stuff from the Unabombers manifesto, but he replaced every time he said black people with Muslims. | ||
| He replaced other... | ||
| He clearly was trying to make it his own while copy and pasting. | ||
| I would say probably at least hundreds of pages are just things he's copy and pasting from shit. | ||
| Even Chapter House Dune only had like 600 pages, man. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| The outrageously long document lays out his answer. | ||
| Anti-political correctness, anti-feminism, anti-Islam, and pro-hard-right nationalism clear as day. | ||
| It even describes exactly why he committed these terrorist attacks, how he planned the attacks for nine years before carrying them out, and how he lamented that he had to work alone because he couldn't risk anyone else being involved because, you know, you can't risk that sort of thing. | ||
| Whether or not they might give up to police or whether or not it would be a risk for them to know... | ||
| About it when you go through with it. | ||
| It could jeopardize their safety. | ||
| Which, once again, brings us back to a conspiracy is the worst idea. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's the worst idea. | ||
| A legitimate conspiracy is a real gamble. | ||
| Yeah, it's a terrible idea. | ||
| So, I set out to read Anders Breivik's manifesto, and I was immediately overwhelmed by the length. | ||
| I braced myself and dug in, but ultimately had to concede there was no way I was ever going to read all this bullshit. | ||
| I made it through a couple hundred pages at least, but hundreds of pages go by with rambling complaints about history, ranging from decrying the evils of cultural Marxism to citing crimes Muslims committed in the 1100s as proof that Islam is incompatible with Western democracy. | ||
| And he did put some cookie recipes in there, though, that are actually pretty good. | ||
| Well, if you're saying cookie and you mean bomb, yes. | ||
| Oh, no, I thought I was... | ||
| I don't normally like raisin cookies, but I heard that his are pretty good. | ||
| I wish. | ||
| That would actually... | ||
| That would have really been kind of... | ||
| Based on how much nonsense is in there, I really wouldn't be surprised. | ||
| Yeah, right? | ||
| It wouldn't be like... | ||
| Oh, and by the way, my favorite Sunday is I like to wake up at about nine. | ||
| He has, like, legitimate... | ||
| Pages upon pages of various different, like, armor schematics you could use if you wanted to commit smash-and-grab terrorist attacks. | ||
| So, like, the idea that there would be a cookie recipe, not super for it. | ||
| Not as, yeah, yeah. | ||
| It's over 1,500 fucking pages. | ||
| Yeah, it's entirely possible. | ||
| You didn't even finish it. | ||
| It's entirely possible maybe they are in there. | ||
| I skimmed all of it, and I can say there aren't cookie recipes. | ||
| There aren't cookie recipes. | ||
| I'm sorry to report that. | ||
| All right, fine. | ||
| But though I skimmed some of it, like I said, I read at least a couple hundred pages of this thing. | ||
| You don't need to read this whole document to see shocking parallels with Alex Jones'worldview. | ||
| For instance, on page 13, he says, Or, you can skip to page 29 where you find this. | ||
| Quote, Oh, do you mean... | ||
| The current assault is in part a continuation of a century-old effort to destroy traditional European structures, the very foundation of European culture. | ||
| Indeed, the feminization of European culture is nearly completed, and the last bastion of male domination, the police force and military, is under assault. | ||
| That sounds an awful lot like Alex Jones saying that, oh, these strong, powerful feminists just roll over. | ||
| They want to be dominated by the Muslims. | ||
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| And also... | ||
| I have nothing other to say, then. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| It is, I mean... | ||
| There's nothing more trendy than having a Muslim boyfriend who beats your ass. | ||
| I mean, at the very least, this guy is finally honest about the police and the military being a fucking toxic masculinity, white-dominated meal. | ||
| He doesn't see it that way. | ||
| He sees that as a good thing. | ||
| Exactly, but at least he's telling the truth about it. | ||
| Alex won't tell the truth about it. | ||
| He thinks it's a good thing, but he won't say it. | ||
| There's so many more parallels. | ||
| Jesus. | ||
| Breivik decries cultural Marxism as a, quote, quiet revolution propagating a European hate ideology with the goal of destroying Western civilization, and which was anti-God, anti-Christian, anti-family, anti-nationalist, anti-patriot, anti-conservative, anti-hereditarian, anti-ethnocentric, anti-masculine, anti-tradition, and anti-morality. | ||
| What are you, Salinger putting all that list together? | ||
| That sounds exactly like Alex's rants where he talks about the globalists. | ||
| Exactly, Alex. | ||
| Now, cultural Marxism is this idea that you could just replace globalists whenever he says cultural Marxism because it's the same idea that Alex Jones puts out into the world. | ||
| For those who don't know, cultural Marxism is this idea that classical economic Marxist ideas had to do largely with the redistribution of power, that sort of thing, the redistribution of economic power. | ||
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Right. | |
| So people who are... | ||
| Really into the cultural Marxist idea is the idea of multiculturalism, feminism, race rights, those sorts of things have to do with a cultural version of Marxism wherein you're trying to redistribute the power forcefully. | ||
| What they're trying to imply... | ||
| It's insane. | ||
| What they're trying to imply... | ||
| Is that the idea that everybody should have an equitable existence, wherein there is no domination by any one of these groups of all the others, that is a stealth way of creating that Soviet-era communism, which, again, economic system, the issue is the government. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It was the oligarchy that caused everybody to starve to death, which, once again, we live in such. | ||
| Let's not go too far down this road. | ||
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Right. | |
| Because I have more things I need to point out. | ||
| Apologies. | ||
| On page 47, he makes the same argument that Alex does about how their opponents refuse to engage with ideas and just shut them down by calling them bigots. | ||
| Quote, all discussion can be sabotaged with the simple technique of shouting slogans, prejudice, myth, racism, Islamophobia. | ||
| Take the struggle from the common battlefield of argument into the opponent's camp. | ||
| His self-esteem as a member of civilized society that abhors ugly things like prejudice and Islamophobia. | ||
| Are you recognizing in this manifesto not only everything that represents modern Alex Jones, but also so much that represents the modern-day right? | ||
| Did he just go to a pool supply store and saw three Muslim women and he was like, Alex Jones has this all right? | ||
| No. | ||
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Maybe we shouldn't allow white people in pool supply stores. | |
| That might solve some problems. | ||
| That might solve a bit. | ||
| Superficially. | ||
| It's a good start. | ||
| His plan for the future is specifically pro-Russia, provided that Russia kicks out all the Muslims who live there, of course. | ||
| And he's also pro-apartheid South Africa. | ||
| Coincidentally, so is Alex. | ||
| And the president. | ||
| If one of the soldiers in Anders Breivik's army that he imagines existing, which doesn't, gets arrested, Breivik has a whole speech prepared for them in his manifesto to recite in court. | ||
| It's a $25 postcard that you have to order. | ||
| It's not laminated. | ||
| The speech that he has for them, it includes the Thomas Jefferson quote, the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants, which coincidentally is something Alex Jones says at least once per show. | ||
| Probably a coincidence that the other quote that he has in his speech that these people are supposed to read in court is Mark Twain's quote, during a time of change, the patriot is a scarce man. | ||
| He's hated and scorned. | ||
| When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him when it costs nothing to be a patriot. | ||
| For then, it costs nothing to be a patriot. | ||
| Which, again, is something that Alex says all the fucking time. | ||
| These people are using the exact same tropes in terms of pushing their idea of what they want the world to be and how to justify their actions. | ||
| All of which are perversions of the meaning of those quotes. | ||
| To some extent. | ||
| Reading through this rambling manifesto, everything is an Alex Jones talking point. | ||
| The patriarchy must be re-established. | ||
| News corporations controlled by cultural Marxist multiculturalists are engaging in full-scale war against cultural conservatism and nationalism. | ||
| For every newborn Muslim in Europe, the cultural Marxist multiculturalists will automatically get one more vote. | ||
| As we all know, 98% of Muslims give their votes to multiculturalism. | ||
| Demography is king. | ||
| The traditional family is under attack. | ||
| It goes on and on to the point where it's hard to see a difference between Brevik and Alex's vision of an ideal society. | ||
| Brevik describes his, quote, One, Islam cannot be present. | ||
| Two, an ethnic homogenous people. | ||
| Three, an educated people with high average IQ. | ||
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Four, cultural conservative policies, nationalistic policies. | |
| Five, free market. | ||
| All of this is exactly what Alex would be in line with. | ||
| Whether he would be fucking... | ||
| I wouldn't say brave enough, because that has a positive connotation, but whether or not he would have the wherewithal to actually say things like, what I would like is Islam to be gone, what I would like is an ethnically homogenous people to be around me, whether or not he has the... | ||
| I would say foolishness, because he knows that he's trying to make money off this stuff. | ||
| He does believe those things. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| His actions imply very clearly that that's something that he's into. | ||
| Him and Anders Breivik see... | ||
| Exactly the same positive vision of what they want in the future. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| 64 times in the manifesto, Brevik cites Robert Spencer, the anti-Muslim proprietor of the website Jihad Watch. | ||
| Coincidentally, Robert Spencer is a regular guest on Alex's show, and Alex uses Jihad Watch as a source constantly. | ||
| Brevik was a big admirer of Geert Wilder's, someone Alex actively campaigned for. | ||
| That's who I was thinking about. | ||
| Alex actively campaigned for him, and said was part of the, quote, nationalist resurgence. | ||
| Brevik said of Wilders, he's one of the few who can, quote, truly claim to be conservative parties in their whole culture. | ||
| Brevik also, in his manifesto, expresses support for the English Defense League, but says that he thinks that they're hopelessly naive. | ||
| Before committing his attacks, Brevik helped create a Norway satellite of the EDL, the Norway Defense League. | ||
| The EDL, in case you've forgotten, was created by Tommy Robinson. | ||
| Alt-right personality Vox Dei admires and loves Anders Breivik. | ||
| He refers to him on his blog as Saint Breivik. | ||
| That's not good. | ||
| Vox Day has been a guest on Alex Jones'show as recently as twice in August 2018. | ||
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| Shhh. | ||
| You read through this manifesto and all you see are the modern right. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| In our country. | ||
| It's horrifying. | ||
| This is what I'm talking about when I said I didn't understand. | ||
| Like, I knew he was a bigot terrorist and all that stuff, but reading through this manifesto in as much as I did is a terrifying experience because what you see, and I'm not saying that all of these people have read his manifesto and are going off of it. | ||
| That would be fucking stupid of me to assume. | ||
| But what you see are proto-talking points. | ||
| Of the alt-right world that we are experiencing right now. | ||
| Which is not the alt-right world, which is Nazis, which is the entire Republican Party. | ||
| And again, the reason that it's so complicated, because we're specifically talking about him, is because he, in his manifesto, is very specifically anti-Nazi. | ||
| Although it should be noted that while he was in prison, he did come out and say, I'm a Nazi now. | ||
| Because, yeah, who knows. | ||
| Because he finally read Nazi literature and was like, oh shit, you guys totally fucking got what I'm doing. | ||
| Or maybe the tide had changed. | ||
| And it was okay to call yourself a fucking Nazi. | ||
| Or the people who were sending him messages of support were national socialists and neo-Nazis. | ||
| And he realized, like, well, all right, maybe this is my team after all. | ||
| I'm in prison. | ||
| What am I going to do? | ||
| So I'm a Nazi now, guys. | ||
| Hey, how's it going? | ||
| So I assume this means that you have completed your circle of coming around to the right should just simply be ignored and demolished. | ||
| No. | ||
| Maybe demolished, but not ignored. | ||
| No, yeah, exactly. | ||
| I think that what you see here, I think, in 2011, this world was not what it is now. | ||
| In terms of the... | ||
| Alex wasn't even that in 2011, in terms of his vociferous anti-Muslim sentiment. | ||
| Or at least open about it. | ||
| The traction that had been gained by organizations like Rebel Media, people like Jack Posobiec. | ||
| People like Lauren Southern, all of the anti-immigrant sentiment that has come to be such a part of our political dialogue that it shouldn't be. | ||
| These negative and ill-meaning bad faith actors that are clogging up our political discourse, including our goddamn president, whether or not they know it, I believe that they are very, very inspired by the manifesto that Anders Breivik put out. | ||
| And I don't think in any way that he was the beginning of any of these thoughts. | ||
| Don't get me wrong. | ||
| I'm not suggesting that. | ||
| But I think that his martyrdom in quotes that neo-Nazis, anti-Muslim folk experienced, led to an elevation of a lot of the talking points. | ||
| He was just talking about ethics in gaming journalism. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I think he got a lot more traction than maybe even he realizes. | ||
| From his cell. | ||
| Do you mean translating? | ||
| Do you mean transforming the entire fucking open consciousness of the right? | ||
| Obviously, again, it's stupid to say that he did all that. | ||
| No, they haven't read it. | ||
| They came to the same conclusions on their own because of their fucking gut. | ||
| It's just fucking jarring to see specific people mentioned in the manifesto that Alex Jones... | ||
| Respects and loves. | ||
| It's jarring to see the exact talking points if you just replace cultural Marxists with globalists. | ||
| It's fucking insane. | ||
| So the similarities that we're seeing here are very, very troubling. | ||
| I think that's fair to say. | ||
| I don't know why I'm asking for confirmation. | ||
| Of course they are. | ||
| You're looking at me like, Dan, how dare you? | ||
| And that's fair. | ||
| So they're really troubling because now it's time to explain the name of his manifesto. | ||
| It's called 2083, A European Declaration of Independence, because toward the tail end of his very long, very dumb document, Anders Breivik lays out his vision of what will happen in the future, namely a three-phase European civil war, which he believed he would help start, leading to the white Europeans reclaiming their world in 2083. | ||
| Any thoughts? | ||
| I don't want to steamroll you here. | ||
| I mean, to be honest, my first thought... | ||
| Is not to engage with the content and instead to say, not very ambitious, dude. | ||
| That's a long wait. | ||
| That's a long wait. | ||
| 2083? | ||
| None of us are even going to be around. | ||
| What, does he not even believe in climate change? | ||
| We're all going to be dead by then, anyways. | ||
| Weirdly, this 1,500-page document doesn't give a statement on climate change. | ||
| Doesn't give a statement on climate change? | ||
| I feel like that's an important thing. | ||
| That is weird. | ||
| Because that would accelerate his timeline, at least, with all the refugees coming in from all the different places. | ||
| I think the white ethno-civil war is going to happen a lot sooner than fucking that. | ||
| And also, god damn, motherfucking, what? | ||
| What the fuck? | ||
| Why are we... | ||
| So, are you sure we can't kill him? | ||
| I can't. | ||
| I know that. | ||
| Yeah, okay. | ||
| So, okay. | ||
| Sonya? | ||
| No, she's in Sweden. | ||
| Sonia? | ||
| This is in Norway. | ||
| She's closer. | ||
| I'm not saying that she's in Sweden, or that she's in Norway. | ||
| I'm just saying. | ||
| Sonia's not a murderous force. | ||
| But she's gotta have a friend in Norway. | ||
| You gotta have one friend in Norway. | ||
| I don't, but I feel like I should. | ||
| That should be like a universal thing. | ||
| Your calls for murder are gonna be so much worse. | ||
| I wanna just a pen pal in Norway who is willing to murder this guy. | ||
| I think you have to Ocean's Eleven it, though, because he's in this really high security... | ||
| He's one of the most highly secured prisoners in the entire country. | ||
| Yeah, of fucking course! | ||
| And he's the prisoner who has the longest sentence in that sort of confinement ever. | ||
| Because, I mean, if you read his manifesto, it's fucking clear his planning. | ||
| He was doing this for years. | ||
| He started a company specifically to get enough money. | ||
| In order to do the attack. | ||
| He ended up getting like 2 million... | ||
| I don't remember the currency in Norway. | ||
| I apologize. | ||
| But it would be hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of money from this company and then walked away from it because he was just trying to raise the money in order to fund his ability to plan this attack that didn't happen for nine years after. | ||
| It's a ludicrous level of very specific information. | ||
| Anybody who wants to be like, this was something that the globalists set up, or something like that, they're not engaging with the very, very available information that comes from him. | ||
| Do we have any, like, indication of, was there like a turning point? | ||
| Yeah, it was the Serbian bombing in the 90s. | ||
| Is the Serbian bombing, how old was he? | ||
| I don't know, he's 39 now. | ||
| The Serbian bombing, so what, he would have been like 17? | ||
| Probably, something like that, yeah. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| No, even less than that, like 14. But I also feel like people who do these sorts of things, I would be pretty comfortable in assuming that they kind of create a heroic mythology around themselves. | ||
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| And maybe there's an unreliable narrator aspect to exactly why they're doing what they're doing. | ||
| He says he's radicalized by the Serbian bombing, but really all that was was to give him cover. | ||
| And make him a hero. | ||
| Possibly. | ||
| When, in reality, this kind of bigotry was instilled with him from the fucking jump. | ||
| Do we know anything about his parents? | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| His mom, um... | ||
| The only thing I know about his mom from his manifesto is that she had an STD and he feels really bad about it. | ||
| That's a weird thing to put in your manifesto. | ||
| It's a weird thing to put in your manifesto. | ||
| His sister also had an STD. | ||
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| Like, everybody has HPV. | ||
| What are you going to judge them? | ||
| He believes that it brought shame to the family. | ||
| That doesn't make any sense. | ||
| It does if you just consider his sort of patriarchal views and stuff like that. | ||
| Like women should be in the fucking kitchen and not fucking people. | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| His childhood that he describes involves like perceived slights by Pakistanis and Arabians. | ||
| Yeah, one thing that he can guarantee is that he's seen more racism coming from Pakistanis and Arabs towards white people than ever white people against Pakistanis and Muslims. | ||
| That's crazy! | ||
| I had a friend in junior high who hated Muslims. | ||
| Sort of before the game a little bit. | ||
| But the reason that he did is because his dad was in business, and he got in a deal with a couple of individual Arabic people, and the deal went bad. | ||
| And the dad, I guess, complained so much that his middle school child sort of extrapolated and generalized that to all people who were Arabic or Muslims. | ||
| You read this manifesto and the stuff he talks about from his childhood. | ||
| I think there's a little kernel of that. | ||
| So that hatred was already there. | ||
| I don't want to psychoanalyze and say, you don't care about the Serbian bombings and stuff like that, because I don't really give a shit. | ||
| That's not as important as how fucked up this fucking document is. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Quote, if we had executed, let's say, 100,000 Marxist intellectuals in Western Europe after World War II and banned all forms of Marxist doctrine, God, how do you do that mental gymnastics? | |
| It's absolutely essential that we, the cultural conservative patriots of Europe, do not repeat this mistake again. | ||
| And all our efforts must be to target and execute the multiculturalists wherever we find them in phase one, two or three of the European Civil War. | ||
| war. | ||
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He goes on to advocate against the deportation of Muslims, but for an even worse reason than you would guess. | |
| Quote, the biggest threat to an effective and thorough lynching campaign is the temptation to commence the deportation of Muslims. | ||
| Uh-uh. | ||
| Uh-uh. | ||
| No. | ||
| No. | ||
| Pass. | ||
| Pass. | ||
| No. | ||
| What? | ||
| No. | ||
| What? | ||
| Don't. | ||
| Ever. | ||
| Are you talking about me reading this? | ||
| No! | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I'm talking about the calling for a lynching force. | ||
| That's no good! | ||
| I know. | ||
| And this is awful. | ||
| But my position is I'm reading all of this. | ||
| Because to not... | ||
| Is not to show what the logical consequence of the similar rhetoric that Alex Jones and this guy put out into the world. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Your ultimate point, if I understand it correctly, is that if you actually believe any of this shit, if you put this rhetoric out, then this is the only way. | ||
| This is the only thing that makes sense. | ||
| I'm not saying that his actions are logical, because they fucking aren't. | ||
| But if you stipulate Alex Jones' worldview... | ||
| There's no reason not to dedicate yourself for years to planning some sort of event that you think is going to kick off a civil war in Europe against the multiculturalist forces that you think are ruining white European culture. | ||
| It does make logical sense in that twisted mind. | ||
| If he had never killed anybody, Alex would treat him as a hero. | ||
| Probably if he was some sort of Jordan Peterson-esque public intellectual. | ||
| Who just put this out as a document? | ||
| And then the fucking New Yorker would do a profile on him as how this fucking... | ||
| Fuck this whole fucking thing! | ||
| This whole fucking thing, man! | ||
| Oh, goddammit! | ||
| Hold it. | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| Sorry! | ||
| Breivik gives advice on assassinations in his manifesto. | ||
| Quote, it's much more rational and pragmatical to focus on the easier unprotected targets instead of sacrificing good men on an impossible target. | ||
| Going on to explain that the best targets are cultural Marxist professors. | ||
| Quote, the operational goal should be to execute five Category B traitors within two hours. | ||
| Plan ahead so you're prepared to assault five targets in succession. | ||
| You'll usually always be caught, so instead of going home and waiting for someone to knock on your door, move swiftly. | ||
| He advises using a flamethrower should you, I don't know, let's say, try and attack a meeting of multiculturalist politicians, noting that, quote, a severely burned category A or B traitor will in reality become a living symbol of what awaits individuals guilty of trying to sell their own people into Islamic slavery. | ||
| They will act as a deterrent and contribute to spread fear in the hearts of the rest of the traitors and will thus cause more ideological damage than that of a dead body. | ||
| He or she will become a living testament to what will happen to any and all category A and B traitors, and everyone will learn that high treason is not without rickety. | ||
| You can't call white people terrorists, though, Dan. | ||
| Never. | ||
| Now, I mean, maybe his goal is specifically to spread fear, but that's not a terrorist. | ||
| Go to the OED. | ||
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| He thinks that journalists are traitors, just like Alex. | ||
| There are annual gatherings for journalists in all Western European countries. | ||
| These gatherings are considered the most attractive targets for large-scale shock attacks due to the amount and quality of Category B traders. | ||
| He also legitimately advocates using weapons of mass destruction against multiculturalism. | ||
| Quote, Other types of weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical, must be considered as realistic options as well. | ||
| He includes dozens of pages of very specific instructions on how to make bombs. | ||
| He includes a detailed breakdown of all the various medals people would be awarded for killing traitors once his revolution kicks off. | ||
| He includes insanely complicated operation plans for attacks as extreme as bombing power plants. | ||
| He spends countless hours of his life putting together this manifesto, and it's clear from the text that he knew when he was writing it that he was going to kill a bunch of people. | ||
| He wrote this manifesto and carried out his attacks because he believed the same things that Alex Jones does. | ||
| Namely, that Muslims are a destructive force and they will destroy Western culture. | ||
| And they're being aided and abetted by a traitorous government force. | ||
| Anders Breivik calls them cultural Marxists. | ||
| Alex calls them globalists. | ||
| But they're talking about exactly the same thing. | ||
| Here's why this is all of the utmost importance. | ||
| Anders Breivik, his manifesto, and his attacks represent, as I've said, the logical end result of the rhetoric that both he and Alex Jones employ. | ||
| They believe nearly identical things about the world, but one of them is willing to put those beliefs into action. | ||
| The other mostly wants to make money off trying to coax others into doing the dirty work for him. | ||
| And that is my position on all of this. | ||
| My position is that I think Anders Breivik was elected president under the name Andrew Jackson? | ||
| I mean, there's similarities. | ||
| He does talk about paths where you can deport people. | ||
| He does have an almost trail of tears-y plans inside. | ||
| Sure does. | ||
| Because he's not talking about a genocide of Muslims, which I don't know if that's to his credit or not. | ||
| I'd say it's not. | ||
| I don't think we give him credit for anything. | ||
| I think we just let that... | ||
| Let's never use that word towards him. | ||
| I wish I could cite whose tweet it was. | ||
| That great tweet was like, Under no circumstances when talking about ISIS do you have to give it to him. | ||
| I gotta give it to ISIS! | ||
| They sure know how to take credit for the fucking terrorist attacks they didn't do. | ||
| I'll point a finger at myself there. | ||
| I wasn't going down that line, but I was way too close. | ||
| Because he's not advocating for genocide. | ||
| In all of it, he does just talk about, like, send them back to countries that we can then, you know, exploit. | ||
| You know, like, it's essentially genocide through a different name. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And I want to... | ||
| As relevant as this is to our fucking world and Alex Jones, it's really important to note that this is the entire philosophy from the beginning of America. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| This is what America is built upon. | ||
| And if you cannot accept that... | ||
| We don't like using the words, but yes. | ||
| If you can't accept that that's what the Constitution was written about. | ||
| That's what it was. | ||
| So to imagine that Anders Breivik is some sort of outlier. | ||
| Some sort of like, whoa, this is something so far outside of what the human race has ever even considered. | ||
| Just really remember that 1776 is fucking Anders Breivik. | ||
| What about 2.0? | ||
| Oh, that one is even more Anders Breivik! | ||
| And that's why reading over this manifesto was such a dark look in the mirror to some extent. | ||
| Not that I believe it and looking in the mirror I'm... | ||
| The finger is pointing at me, but you see such a reflection of very familiar things in a place that you wish you wouldn't. | ||
| You read the manifesto and the writings of this person, and you see, like, oh, wow, this is a lot of stuff we've talked about before. | ||
| Like the idea of bringing back the patriarchy. | ||
| Like the idea that the traditional family is under attack. | ||
| These are large-scale things that he was primarily motivated by. | ||
| Under the attack on, that he felt was upon him by cultural Marxists, by political correctness. | ||
| Things that are exactly the same that Alex feels. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I don't know what to do with this other than to say, fucking, just take a second to, like, I wouldn't say anyone go read that manifesto. | ||
| It's way too long. | ||
| And it was a very disappointing night of my life. | ||
| But if you do go and read it, you'll see, you'll see our show, quite frankly. | ||
| You'll see the stuff we talk about. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And it's profoundly fucked up. | ||
| Which is also why we will never become popular. | ||
| So now, I told you, Jordan. | ||
| Because my Dark Mirror is, I think, episode one where that guy fucks a pig. | ||
| And I don't want to talk about what I did growing up. | ||
| But technically... | ||
| That was Black Mirror, not Dark Mirror. | ||
| Technically. | ||
| My episode is that one where everyone's on the treadmill and I ended up crying a lot. | ||
| Oh, did you end up crying in that one? | ||
| I'm not watching the show anymore. | ||
| I was like, this is... | ||
| Too fucking real. | ||
| Yeah, no shit, right? | ||
| Fuck this show. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I'll go back and watch it eventually. | ||
| No, it's pretty good. | ||
| I want to tell you that all is not horrible. | ||
| And we're about to get very surreal. | ||
| Because Anders Breivik's 1,500-page manifesto, at about page 1,410, starts to lay out something of a weird diary documenting his journey towards his perceived martyrdom. | ||
| Noting that he started working on this manifesto in 2006, five years before the eventual attack. | ||
| So he's also inspired by Kafka? | ||
| What do you mean? | ||
| Oh, you've never read Kafka's diaries? | ||
| No, I understand, but I don't know exactly the one-to-one parallel. | ||
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| God damn it. | ||
| So he started in 2006 on his manifesto and this compendium, as he calls it. | ||
| He had started... | ||
| On his actual planning for the attack four years prior to that. | ||
| So he's nine years of planning, five for the manifesto. | ||
| But this diary, dude, it gives such a weird fucking picture. | ||
| And these dates that he describes are fucking surreal. | ||
| When you consider that he knew as he was writing this, the eventual end goal is he's going to kill a bunch of people for his perceived slights that he has about multiculturalism. | ||
| When you read this, you get a very disappointing, sad picture of a person. | ||
| Did he also prophesy my birth? | ||
| Because that would have been really weird. | ||
| No. | ||
| But from autumn 2009, quote, my best friend Peter's 30th birthday. | ||
| We're going to Budapest to party hard for five days. | ||
| What the fuck is what? | ||
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No! | |
| You don't get to do that! | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| You don't get to do that! | ||
| Hungarian girls are hot as hell. | ||
| No! | ||
| Too bad I have to avoid relationships for the good of my mission. | ||
| Doesn't hurt to have a little fun, and then there's an emoticon with the... | ||
| He's got an emoticon? | ||
| You're not allowed to use those! | ||
| In his manifesto. | ||
| You're not allowed to use those! | ||
| It's the two I's and then a D. It's a colon D. Big smiling face. | ||
| Have you ever considered why we don't have any goddamn teenage girl serial killers? | ||
| Fucking Christ. | ||
| I don't think I've consumed this much alcohol for many years. | ||
| Totally awesome. | ||
| That's in the manifesto. | ||
| Can't we kill him? | ||
| I've never been more sure of anything. | ||
| Somehow, after that, I'm like... | ||
| No, no questions. | ||
| From January 2010, quote, Regret to admit I've become notorious as a downloader of pirated movies, series, and games, etc. | ||
| But I have noticed an increasing number of sites have been closed down lately. | ||
| Stealing is bad, I admit, but then again, when you've devoted your entire life to a good cause, you can allow yourself some naughtiness, especially if it can contribute to your lack of funds. | ||
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| Yes, yes, no one's perfect. | ||
| Colon P, like that tongue out emoticon. | ||
| Yeah, I got it. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| There's a whole multi-entry drama that plays out where he goes to Prague. | ||
| Are you sure this isn't written entirely in ASCII format as well? | ||
| No. | ||
| Dude, this is my favorite thing. | ||
| I don't want to soften and make light this horrible, horrible person, but if you actually read his diary, you get a glimpse of a really pathetic dude. | ||
| And I think that that's a part of it. | ||
| Now, hold on. | ||
| And this is something we talked about pre-show as to whether or not it should be brought up in our context. | ||
| But if you want to go with a further parallel, I find it hard not to... | ||
| Put this together with Alex Jones watching trans porn. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| As we talked about before we got on air, and I'm fine that it's come up, I don't have a real comment on it. | ||
| One of the things that we always talk about is hypocrisy is meaningless to people with no shame. | ||
| So I choose to focus on the rhetoric that he puts out that is horrible. | ||
| Whether or not he looks at a specific pornography... | ||
| Doesn't charm me. | ||
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It doesn't do anything. | |
| But that's why I was pointing it out. | ||
| Like, I genuinely was like, you know what? | ||
| Let's just let this one go. | ||
| Everybody else can dunk on him the way that they want to. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Until you brought it up within the context of this guy's weird manifesto diary, including all of this, like, all of this shit that I espouse. | ||
| You know, you still gotta get your rocks off. | ||
| Like, that to me is that concept. | ||
| You should hold on to that thought. | ||
| God damn it! | ||
| That exact thing that you're sort of like... | ||
| Wait, he literally says get your rocks off? | ||
| No, not a quote, but... | ||
| With a smiley face emoji? | ||
| With a tongue out, yeah. | ||
| The P one. | ||
| That idea that you're expressing is going... | ||
| You're going to get way madder at a later entry. | ||
| But let's get to it later. | ||
| As we get to it. | ||
| Because I need to talk about this. | ||
| This is my favorite thing. | ||
| If there is anything funny in his manifesto, it's this. | ||
| And that is that there's a multi-entry drama that plays out where he goes to Prague to buy weapons. | ||
| Because he saw a BBC special about how there are a lot of hardened criminals in Prague. | ||
| It starts with him talking about his fears of being killed there. | ||
| Which transitions into him being surprised. | ||
| He's not at all scared once he gets there. | ||
| Which he specifically cites, hey, there aren't any Muslims walking around. | ||
| God damn it! | ||
| He ultimately fails to find any guns to buy in Prague, but reassures himself that, quote, regardless of the outcome of this mission, I've had a great vacation and have experienced most of the historical sites and a lot of amazing architecture. | ||
| I've also partied a lot with the people I met at the hostel. | ||
| Sonja, get on a plane and kill him! | ||
| Sonja, you have a mission! | ||
| He also talks about fucking two girls while he was in Prague because he was afraid he's gonna die on that trip. | ||
| I really, really want to make this clear. | ||
| Sonia, do not do anything like that. | ||
| Please. | ||
| Oh, my God. | ||
| I don't want to even... | ||
| She couldn't if she wanted to. | ||
| I know, but maybe... | ||
| Look, I don't want to be that guy. | ||
| I don't want a specific... | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| You're fine. | ||
| He's like, I fuck these two girls in Prague. | ||
| Look, I know that I don't... | ||
| Look, that's not my kind of thing, but I might have died on this trip, so I gotta fuck. | ||
| It's like, dude. | ||
| Just fucking live your life. | ||
| Stop it with this shit. | ||
| So, from a November 2010 post, quote, I'm currently watching Dexter. | ||
| The series is about a forensic mass murderer. | ||
| Quite hilarious. | ||
| Oh, I'm also playing Fallout 3 New Vegas at the moment after finishing Bioshock 2. I'm going to try the new World of Warcraft Cataclysm when it's released in December. | ||
| Time to dust off my mage! | ||
| That's in his fucking manifesto. | ||
| This is legitimately Gamergate writ large. | ||
| Does the dates match up? | ||
| 2011? | ||
| 2011? | ||
| I don't remember the exact timeline of Gamergate. | ||
| No, I think Gamergate was probably more like 2013, 2014. | ||
| It was later than that, but it's that... | ||
| Which, again, not to paint a broad brush by any stretch. | ||
| But that subsection of, like, that toxic masculinity, as it applies to any kind of nerd culture, winds up being a portal to this. | ||
| Well, it's fascinating, you know? | ||
| It's fascinating that you see that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then it's also fascinating that in the, you know, with... | ||
| sort of anger or violence against women. | ||
| And I'm not entirely sure. | ||
| But I'm not sure I actually see from his manifesto of violence against women. | ||
| But as I've already mentioned, he specifically talks about his mom and his sister having STDs that have brought shame to the family. | ||
| So that mentality is definitely there. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
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Whether or not there's actual domestic violence there, there's the kernel of it. | |
| But. | ||
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No one ever proves why masculinity is worse than, Than people who exhibit the idea that masculinity is great. | |
| And advocate for it. | ||
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| But, Jordan, perhaps the most jarring passage from this journal entry in his manifesto. | ||
| Not a huge fan of Spyro the Dragon! | ||
| No, that was from his lawsuit against his prison. | ||
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| I don't want to play Spyro. | ||
| Listen, I've got a PlayStation 2. I can't get any of the fucking Mario games. | ||
| I'm just doing Alex's voice now. | ||
| Now I am. | ||
| Yeah, you're right. | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
| I completely forgot that we weren't talking. | ||
| It's reasonable. | ||
| That's reasonable. | ||
| Think about how directly that proves your point entirely. | ||
| To some extent. | ||
| I forgot that we weren't talking about Alex in this point. | ||
| I think he actually specifically in his lawsuit complained about Vector Man. | ||
| That's not it. | ||
| Ray Man or something like that. | ||
| Ray Man isn't very good. | ||
| That's probably what he was complaining about. | ||
| So here's the most jarring passage. | ||
| Quote. | ||
| I'm trying to avoid relationships as it would complicate my plans and may jeopardize my operation. | ||
| And I don't feel comfortable manipulating girls anymore into one-night stands. | ||
| I'm not that person anymore. | ||
| I did screw two girls in Prague. | ||
| This is where I brought this up already. | ||
| I did screw two girls in Prague, though, but that was mainly because it was a realistic chance that I would end up dead during the process of establishing a weapons connection. | ||
| I won't make any effort to try and completely justify it, though. | ||
| Human males are imperfect by default, and they're plagued by their biological needs. | ||
| Nevertheless, screwing around outside of marriage is, after all, a relative. | ||
| Could you- Could you- It is essential that you do what is required to keep morale and motivation at high level, especially just prior to Operation Critical Moments. | ||
| I've reserved €2,000 from my operations budget, which I intend to spend on high-quality model escort girl one week prior to execution of the mission. | ||
| I'll probably arrange that just before or after I attend my final Martyr's Mass at Frogner Church. | ||
| It will contribute to ease my mind, as I imagine I will be tense and very nervous. | ||
| It's easier to face death if you know you're biologically, mentally, and spiritually at ease. | ||
| Look, now, by no means am I disparaging the sex worker community, nor the people who search them out, for any number of possible reasons. | ||
| However, in your manifesto about how the patriarchy is great, please don't fucking elucidate why the patriarchy is terrible! | ||
| Right, and then also, the only thing, like, not the only thing, but one of the things that I felt when I read that passage is like, How fucking horrible is it to put that sex worker through that? | ||
| Like, she doesn't know the context of all this. | ||
| The idea that she went and did a job and then maybe a couple weeks later that person murdered all these people. | ||
| Oh my fucking god. | ||
| That's so unfair to her. | ||
| I don't... | ||
| That's a smaller... | ||
| Totally. | ||
| Like, no, I agree with you. | ||
| I had a visceral response to that, but it's certainly much smaller than a lot of the other fucking details. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| So now we get to some unsurprising pieces of information that we find from his journal. | ||
| Here's a revelation that he makes. | ||
| If he hates the Welsh, man, I really gotta change my whole life. | ||
| Fuck the Welsh, quote. | ||
| No. | ||
| Quote, approximately four years ago in 2006, just before I started writing this compendium, I decided to move from my apartment in Frogner, one of the most pricey areas in Oslo, home to my mother. | ||
| So he was living with his mom the entire time that he was making this compendium and planning his attack. | ||
| Oh, and also, he was doing steroids the whole time he was planning this attack. | ||
| Quote, initiated third steroid test cycle, three weeks on Wistrol tabs, 40 milligrams a day, followed by three weeks of DBOL tabs, 40 milligrams per day. | ||
| Weight increased from 86 kilograms to 93 kilograms. | ||
| No side effects cycle completed with great success. | ||
| I have never in my life been more physically fit than I am today. | ||
| Strength increased by 30 to 50 percent, which will prove useful. | ||
| There's a bunch of instances of him talking about his steroid use. | ||
| And then even beyond that, he talks about stacking ephedrine with caffeine. | ||
| So he's on just sort of over-the-counter speed and steroids the entire time, which does, if you look at the science, has increased... | ||
| Violence. | ||
| Yeah, all that sort of stuff really makes sense. | ||
| You sort of parse through the little details that you can find in his manifesto, and it starts to make crystal clear the entrenched bigotry that he already has inside him, the diminished capabilities and capacity that he has based on his drug use, the clear psychopathy that he has that you can just glean from his own writing. | ||
| But I think more importantly is all the very one-to-one parallels with Alex. | ||
| It's strange to me. | ||
| Anytime you toss that... | ||
| It does absolutely increase the possibility of a manic episode. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And it is terrifying to me. | ||
| Because I am somebody who... | ||
| Up until I was properly medicated at, like, what, 25? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Experienced consistent manic episodes. | ||
| So you look at that and you see the possibility of, if I had those thought patterns, it's entirely possible that I would have committed some sort of crime. | ||
| Absolutely not on that scale, by no means. | ||
| But for the grace of God go you. | ||
| Yeah, and it's... | ||
| It's terrifying. | ||
| It's really terrifying to note that truly, at the end of the day, this is a brain malfunction. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is a disease. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so, how do you treat a disease like this? | ||
| I know. | ||
| And to be honest, the thing that I come away from is I think this is unavoidable. | ||
| I don't mean that to be like, it's fine. | ||
| No, absolutely. | ||
| It's fine. | ||
| No. | ||
| But the lack of willingness to... | ||
| Consider that the thoughts he was having were wrong or were coming from an unhealthy place. | ||
| The fact that he kept this to himself for years as he documents. | ||
| The fact that he laments that he's unable to tell anyone else about his plans, bring people into the fold, that sort of thing. | ||
| The fact that he is so resolute with this sort of thing. | ||
| I really don't think that anything you can do can mitigate someone like Anders Breivik. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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| Yeah. | ||
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And I would love to take this opportunity to get on a soapbox and say, like, if only someone were there to help him at X, Y, or Z time. | |
| Yeah. | ||
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But from the stuff that I've read, from his writings that I've read, I don't think He would never have sought out that help. | |
| I don't think it's possible past... | ||
| Like maybe when he was 12 or something like that. | ||
| The breaking point was probably much earlier in his life than people generally... | ||
| Which once again goes back to Alex's rhetoric. | ||
| And Alex's life. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Like that idea of, no, they're going to neuter you. | ||
| They're going to destroy what you think is your masculine energy and all of that stuff. | ||
| And what in reality they're going to do is actually fucking help you be a human instead of a monster. | ||
| Yeah, hopefully find some sort of integration of the ideas you have, make them face reality. | ||
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| That sort of thing. | ||
| And I don't know, man. | ||
| It's a huge bummer. | ||
| I don't think that, of course, I don't think that mental illness is fully responsible for his actions, in the same way that I don't think that the rhetoric and the narratives that are very similar to Alex's rhetoric and narratives, I don't think they're 100% to blame for his actions. | ||
| There's a very complicated booyah bays going on here, this stew of things. | ||
| And the only reason that I think it's super duper important to our stuff is that the narratives are the part that you can change. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The mental health stuff, you can change too, but it's mostly upon you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We can't help people with that. | ||
| We can encourage people to, you know... | ||
| Stop saying your bullshit. | ||
| Self-analyze. | ||
| If you feel you need help, you should go try and apprise yourself of the help that's available. | ||
| If you suspect you need help. | ||
| The narratives and the rhetoric are the part that's like, it's there. | ||
| We can talk about this. | ||
| It's all bullshit. | ||
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| So, now we get back to the episode. | ||
| Oh, yeah, that's right. | ||
| I forgot we were doing this show. | ||
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So... | |
| We've now sort of gotten into exactly what motivated Anders Breivik. | ||
| The entirety of this, there's a pretty clear picture that you can glean from it. | ||
| And now Alex gets into saying that it's probably Al-Qaeda. | ||
| Seven people killed by the bomb blast, two seriously injured. | ||
| Police are saying they believe the person responsible for the bomb to be a foreigner, according to BBC. | ||
| Well, they arrest you over there if you criticize foreigners. | ||
| But the attacker... | ||
| God, I wish we could arrest you. | ||
| Now arrested. | ||
| Look, Norwegian. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| White Al-Qaeda hit and hit hard. | ||
| Right when they come out and say, White Al-Qaeda's going to hit, and they show the white people with blue eyes in the headdresses, boom, they're hitting. | ||
| See? | ||
| Headdresses. | ||
| They're rebranding. | ||
| White Al-Qaeda's hitting. | ||
| It goes on. | ||
| Witnesses have managed to escape from the island, says a NRK reports on the spots. | ||
| The perpetrator had a Norwegian look. | ||
| He should be around 185 to 190 centimeters tall and have blonde hair. | ||
| White Al-Qaeda? | ||
| White Al-Qaeda. | ||
| Told you white Al-Qaeda was coming. | ||
| Told you they were going to announce it. | ||
| So this is also just making a straw man out of the DHS reports and stuff like that. | ||
| The only thing he could possibly be hearkening back to is, like, years prior, there was that John Walker Lind, who was the white guy who left his privileged life. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, I recall. | ||
| And fought alongside, but he got fucking arrested in 2001. | ||
| Right, but there are a couple instances of, like... | ||
| Oh, Bergdahl! | ||
| Of, like, that... | ||
| You know, a couple of girls who are like 19 who went and joined ISIS thinking that it was a cause. | ||
| It happens from time to time. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's not a huge thing. | ||
| But back to your point of the Booyah base. | ||
| Like, there does require a certain perfect storm of factors that go into this. | ||
| Otherwise, we would see this a whole fucking lot more. | ||
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| You know, like, look. | ||
| There are 7 billion people on this dumb, stupid fucking planet that we're destroying. | ||
| It is at least, I suppose, a positive that it's like, out of 7 billion people, it takes that many people to generate this kind of level of psychopath monster? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know if that's cold comfort. | ||
| Yeah, no, fucking shit. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know. | ||
| Imagine if there was only like 600,000 of us. | ||
| It would take so much longer to get these guys. | ||
| See, now you're talking globalist talk. | ||
| I'm just saying! | ||
| I'm just saying! | ||
| Why don't you go meditate at the Georgia Guidestones, you fucking fruity globalist? | ||
| Maybe the bad guys in Kingsman and the Secret Service just went about it the wrong way, you know? | ||
| I haven't seen the movie, but I'm sure Alex has and it's part of his worldview now. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| Well, that's because Samuel L. Jackson was the main bad guy and he's black, so of course. | ||
| Idris Elba can't be Bond. | ||
| He should be, though. | ||
| Yeah, I agree. | ||
| So, the reason that that last clip is... | ||
| It's such a weird show we do. | ||
| It's nuts. | ||
| No one should do this show. | ||
| No one should like it. | ||
| We've spent hours now talking about Idris Elba. | ||
| Idris Elba should be James Bond. | ||
| I don't know how we live. | ||
| We get out of this heavy stuff and all of a sudden we're riffing. | ||
| What the fuck are we doing? | ||
| I don't know how we fucking live, Dan. | ||
| Yikes. | ||
| So, the reason that last clip is particularly important to me is because Alex Jones gets a lot of mileage out of this term, white al-Qaeda, that he uses. | ||
| White-kaida. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| Like I said, better portmanteau, but he says white al-Qaeda, so we have to go with it. | ||
| Right, but maybe even shorten it further to, like, white-kaida? | ||
| Now you're close to Wakanda. | ||
| That's too close. | ||
| See, now, hold on. | ||
| Now, who would be the mortal enemy more of Wakanda than Waikanda? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Or Waikada? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| See, there we go. | ||
| Waikanda, Waikada. | ||
| Excuse me, Marvel, Black Panther 2 now has its main enemy. | ||
| Hit up your boys. | ||
| I know how to use Citrix. | ||
| I can write a script. | ||
| I know where a Starbucks is. | ||
| Let's do this. | ||
| I got a couple friends who have written spec. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| So the reason that it's really important to me is that he gets a lot of mileage out of the ambiguity that he usually uses with him. | ||
| Because when he talks about white Al-Qaeda in that last clip, he makes it very clear what he's talking about is white people joining Al-Qaeda. | ||
| And that is the kernel and that's the general use of that term. | ||
| However, later, not in this episode, but later as time goes on, he'll repurpose that term into being a way to mock the idea of right-wing white terrorism. | ||
| The idea that's like, oh, they're just using white people now like it's white Al-Qaeda. | ||
| But in this episode... | ||
| In that last clip, he made very clear he's specifically talking about white people joining up with Al-Qaeda, which is what the globalists are doing to make everyone scared of white people. | ||
| Right. | ||
| All your neighbors could be in Al-Qaeda. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's the narrative that he's putting forth, which is clunky and pretty bad. | ||
| Especially considering the truth that we know about this attack, which was primarily motivated by a guy who hates Muslims and thinks that a group that could be described similarly to the globalist is helping them overrun Europe, which is exactly what Alex Jones thinks about the world. | ||
| Christ. | ||
| It's nuts. | ||
| The West, Dan. | ||
| The West. | ||
| The old West. | ||
| The West. | ||
| We gotta protect them. | ||
| They're great! | ||
| Everybody knows it! | ||
| The West is a myth. | ||
| Anyway, in this next clip, this is one of my favorite things. | ||
| Like the direction? | ||
| What? | ||
| No. | ||
| That movie North is a man. | ||
| Stop it. | ||
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Stop it. | |
| I'm sorry. | ||
| I'm saying stop it to you, but I'm the one who made the show. | ||
| I gotta survive. | ||
| I gotta survive, Dan. | ||
| I like that I'm saying stop it to you, but it was me who said north. | ||
| Look, come on. | ||
| What am I supposed to do but set you up? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You're consistently funnier than me. | ||
| My job is just to remind you to be funny. | ||
| I'm often accidentally funny. | ||
| I've never been prouder than when I called fucking Merle Haggard a Muppet. | ||
| Anyway, Jordan, this next clip is one of my favorite things in the world. | ||
| It's just evidence that Alex Jones can't run an operation because he just does a business meeting on air, basically. | ||
| So what happens is he knows that Paul Joseph Watson is probably going to do a better job than him about being articulate about stuff. | ||
| At least in a shorter time frame. | ||
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Right. | |
| So he calls Paul Joseph Watson but forgets to put him on speakerphone. | ||
| So he's talking. | ||
| You can hear him, but you cannot hear Paul Joseph Watson. | ||
| You might as well be on a bus with him and only listening to his side of the conversation. | ||
| This next clip is a damning indictment of Alex Jones because what he's doing is a business meeting on air with Paul Joseph Watson trying to spin the narrative that they want to put out on the website without Paul Joseph Watson's side of the conversation. | ||
| I don't know why he didn't do this in the commercial break that he is clearly coming out of. | ||
| But whatever the case, here is Alex Jones being the worst fucking content producer in the world. | ||
| I'm calling Paul Joseph Watson right now. | ||
| In fact, if I know Watson, he's probably already on it. | ||
| They've announced that white al-Qaeda is running around shooting people in Norway. | ||
| You've got the bombing coinciding with it right as they had the rollout of white al-Qaeda. | ||
| In the last week and told you they were... | ||
| So by this point, it's late in the show. | ||
| That's my new fake laugh. | ||
| It's late in the show, so I don't know exactly all of the news that had come out, but he's already dealing with it as, like, coordinated but separate attacks when it was the same guy. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| He very clearly did all of it. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| We're going to hit you. | ||
| Right as the bankers implode Europe and get ready to implode the United States, they stage these provocateur events to make you rally around and worship them. | ||
| Watson. | ||
| Hey, Watson, are you there, buddy? | ||
| Okay, I'm live on air right now. | ||
| You're not punched up. | ||
| I called you on my globalist tracking iPhone. | ||
| We're using a jack-in-of-the-matrix here. | ||
| But obviously, look, we don't have the crew, but I'm asking listeners now, as I ask you, because this is what really impresses people that aren't awake, who don't know the research. | ||
| They do get impressed by precision predictions. | ||
| Remember I said white al-Qaeda would strike right as they fully imploded Europe? | ||
| And that they would have a rollout of white al-Qaeda starting with soft-target shootings and bombings in Europe that would then move to the United States? | ||
| And I've been predicting this, I don't know, for over a year now with exact precision because I was gauging their propaganda. | ||
| You can't do it for over a year with exact precision. | ||
| Of the public. | ||
| So this is an absolute emergency. | ||
| White al-Qaeda attacking shooting people. | ||
| In Norway, coinciding with the car bomb. | ||
| I mean, this is just absolutely off the charts. | ||
| I believe this is the beginning of their beta testing, the rollout of white al-Qaeda. | ||
| And they're also going to have the rollout of Muslim extremists linking up with the white al-Qaeda. | ||
| They teach police that's returning veterans. | ||
| They have all these TV shows like Homeland and others. | ||
| They're all about the vets are going to join Al-Qaeda. | ||
| Do this off air. | ||
| Anybody believes that. | ||
| It's just beyond ridiculous. | ||
| But the PSYOP is launching right as they get ready to fully implode the Depression. | ||
| You know, I've always laid that out to you. | ||
| In fact, I'll put you on speaker here, Watson. | ||
| Watson, do you have any comments on that? | ||
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Well, Alex, what I'd like to point out is that... | |
| It should be Waikida, not White Al-Qaeda. | ||
| He tries to get PJ dubs on speakerphone. | ||
| It doesn't really work out. | ||
| Not going well. | ||
| He's like, hey, Bob Chapman's coming up. | ||
| You can have a little talk with him. | ||
| Bob Chapman's on, and they can't even get to selling gold. | ||
| Alex tries a couple times, and it doesn't even work because the news and all that shit. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| And then at the same time, when Bob Chapman's coming on, Alex gets a call from someone in Norway who's a listener who was there when the bomb went off. | ||
| He was nearby. | ||
| And how do you say fuck? | ||
| Fuck you! | ||
| Woo! | ||
| In Norwegian. | ||
| No, this dude was a listener. | ||
| He loves Alex. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And it's just a situation where this guy... | ||
| How do you say go home and tell your mother you're brilliant in Norwegian? | ||
| I wish I knew. | ||
| But this guy just gives a basic recounting of the facts. | ||
| Like, hey, this is near the Prime Minister's office and all this stuff. | ||
| Alex screams over him and tries to get this guy to agree with his points that he's already making. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And because the guy's a fan, he's like, yeah, absolutely, Alex, woo! | ||
| Sure, great. | ||
| That sort of thing. | ||
| Good work. | ||
| Yeah, it's as good as no one calling it. | ||
| But I like that glimpse in that last clip because what we see is what should be a production meeting being done on air. | ||
| You can hear Alex being like, alright, here are the propaganda points that we need to hit to... | ||
| People love precision predictions, and I've already decided that this is white Al-Qaeda. | ||
| Right, white Al-Qaeda. | ||
| And I've predicted that in the past, so use the fact that I predicted that in the past to make an article that sums all of this up and make it look like I made a really amazing prediction, even though I'm ignoring the fact that details are still... | ||
| All of reality. | ||
| Yeah, but that's what they do. | ||
| This is how propaganda works. | ||
| You're seeing how the sausage is made on air. | ||
| That was a really... | ||
| Well, one side of the sausage. | ||
| This is an embarrassing thing for him to do. | ||
| Like, it's just clunky. | ||
| So now hours have passed since he previously said that this was fake. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And by this point in the show, I'm not entirely sure. | ||
| Like, I don't have a time stamp on this. | ||
| But by the point we're at now... | ||
| Well, he said it was a false flag. | ||
| He didn't say it was... | ||
| This wasn't crisis actors. | ||
| Oh, he did say it was staged? | ||
| Well, he said 98% chance, 2% chance it's real, 98% chance it's staged. | ||
| Yeah, but I think what he meant, though, was that it happened, but it was a lie about how and who perpetrated it. | ||
| Possibly. | ||
| What we're doing is being far too fair to, like, what he meant. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But it's now been hours. | ||
| And by this point, it's all over. | ||
| By this time that he's now on air, this is like in the third hour of the show, it's all over in Norway time. | ||
| Anders Breivik has laid his weapons down and been arrested. | ||
| Presumably, the news reports are reporting that. | ||
| Now, I'll also say that because of what we've already talked about, the victim who was arrested as a supposed accomplice, that fake news, if you will, might be being reported. | ||
| So that's something that he should... | ||
| Take a step back from, but it's understandable if he wants to use that in his narratives. | ||
| Which at the same time, like, everybody's actually, like, the idea of arresting that guy in that moment does make sense to you because if you're a Norwegian cop... | ||
| How could you possibly deal with this in a rational matter in the moment, you know? | ||
| Like, you're just throwing shit at the wall at that point, just like, I see something, I don't know what to do! | ||
| Yeah, that is the sort of, like, I definitely understand the mentality. | ||
| I hate the result, but I understand the mentality. | ||
| And even then, now the more I think about it, the more I'm like, if you kill that guy, if you kill that guy in the moment while you're on that island, He's a hero. | ||
| He's a martyr. | ||
| You don't get any information. | ||
| If you give him a PlayStation 3, what do you got? | ||
| What do you got? | ||
| Who's the bigger person? | ||
| Who proves what society should be more than the country that is like... | ||
| You're a fucking monster, and we will still treat you like a human being. | ||
| That's one of the points that I had hoped to get to, is that the entirety, if you look at the big picture of this story, all it does is disprove everything Anders Breivik believed in. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because the culture that believes in multiculturalism, the culture that believes in acceptance. | ||
| Is the same culture that refuses to torture him in prison. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Is the culture that keeps him alive and allows him to play video games so he won't go crazy. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That allows him to have correspondence. | ||
| Well, he's already gone crazy. | ||
| Crazier. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That allows him to have correspondence with the outside world, watch reality shows, have an electronic typewriter so he can write his manifestos and things like that. | ||
| It's a living indictment of what he believes in. | ||
| The fact that societies are able to deal with someone like him and not be like, you know what? | ||
| We are going to torture you slowly until you die. | ||
| Which, once again, somehow, is an indictment of the fucking United States. | ||
| What is it? | ||
| I've always believed the best reaction to 9-11 would have been like, this wasn't a country. | ||
| This wasn't a ideology. | ||
| This was lunatics. | ||
| We condemn these fucking lunatics. | ||
| But you know what? | ||
| We're gonna build these fucking towers back up. | ||
| You have done nothing to us. | ||
| You can't stop us. | ||
| You can't do anything to us. | ||
| That's what I've always believed. | ||
| And yet somehow, I get trapped in that idea of, like, fucking kill him. | ||
| Like, but... | ||
| But what was the Iraq War other than proving that America is garbage? | ||
| Well, and then proving that that mentality doesn't get you anywhere other than the worst place. | ||
| Other than a 20-year... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The man who seeks revenge digs his own grave, etc. | ||
| Like, that whole thing. | ||
| Like, it is true. | ||
| It takes me back to, like... | ||
| It's so frustrating that it's true, though. | ||
| I hate that it's true. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| But it is. | ||
| So, at this point, like I said, we're deep into the show. | ||
| Why am I convincing myself not to commit white genocide, Dan? | ||
| I've been wanting to for so long. | ||
| Because restraint is important. | ||
| I know. | ||
| You're a better person than me. | ||
| I don't know about that. | ||
| It bums me out. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Anyway. | ||
| I'm gonna kill you. | ||
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Oh, no! | |
| That is the logical conclusion. | ||
| That is the logical conclusion of my rhetoric. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The thing is, I've nailed this down, I believe. | ||
| We're deep into the show now. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Alex should have more information at his disposal. | ||
| And let's see if he does. | ||
| Blast and gun attack in Norway, seven dead. | ||
| How are the Norwegians taking this? | ||
| And why do you think the Globus is clearly staged, ladies and gentlemen? | ||
| I mean, I'd say 98% chance. | ||
| Never mind. | ||
| I pass on my earlier argument. | ||
| Clearly that was staged. | ||
| Fuck off. | ||
| But nothing has changed. | ||
| He's using the exact same narrative that he had at the beginning of the show. | ||
| It's staged. | ||
| It's the globalist. | ||
| 98% chance when he said 2% chance it's real. | ||
| Earlier, he's saying the exact same goddamn thing. | ||
| You can never believe it statistically. | ||
| Believing it is stupid. | ||
| Hours later, when more information had come in, he's being the worst journalist in the world. | ||
| So now he talks about what the globalists, why would they do this? | ||
| Look, I need listeners not to toot my horn, but to get all the videos where I lay out exactly how this would start. | ||
| And if it turns out they say it's white al-Qaeda, you know folks. | ||
| They're dropping the hammer. | ||
| They're going to start the arrest, the roundups. | ||
| I mean, this means they're getting ready to start a World War III scenario and use it to crack down on domestic groups. | ||
| Bob Chapman, do you? | ||
| So, you know who was trying to start a World War III scenario? | ||
| Anders fucking Breivik. | ||
| It's clear. | ||
| That's what he was doing. | ||
| Phase one of his three-phase war involves these flash attacks, one of which he perpetrated, which was in order to kick off this three-stage European civil war that would lead with the repression of Islam as a whole. | ||
| So Alex being like the globalist's plan to do this, like, no, you are right. | ||
| You're right in terms of the idea, but you're wrong because... | ||
| It was the idea of someone who believes the same things you do actually doing it. | ||
| Which is a larger, more perfect point. | ||
| The people who are most similar to Anders Breivik are the people that he ostensibly is against. | ||
| Like that idea of Muslim extremism. | ||
| Like that whole concept of like, oh, they're trying to start the end times. | ||
| The only people who could possibly understand them are not human beings, but Christian extremists. | ||
| The only people who can really get exactly why and what they're doing are the people who are trying to do it, ostensibly in defense against it. | ||
| You're the same! | ||
| You are the same people! | ||
| And this is where it's probably most fitting that I bring up another passage from his manifesto. | ||
| God damn you, Dan. | ||
| Anders Breivik at one point... | ||
| I love Alex Jones. | ||
| Is that what he said? | ||
| Shockingly, Alex doesn't come up. | ||
| Okay, I'm sorry. | ||
| But to be fair, Alex wasn't full hog on this rhetoric at that point. | ||
| He's behind the game a little bit. | ||
| He wasn't full bogey? | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| He's only half tilt bogey. | ||
| He was half tilt bogey? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But at one point in the... | ||
| Logistics portion of his manifesto, Anders Breivik talks about the idea of hooking up with Al-Qaeda because he could buy weapons from them or something like that. | ||
| So he talks about the idea of getting involved with terrorist groups, but at the same time... | ||
| Because I'm a terrorist. | ||
| But at the same time, if you read all of those passages, he talks about how this could work. | ||
| It probably wouldn't. | ||
| It's not a wise road to go down. | ||
| It's in there in his manifesto as a possible way to get like a WMD. | ||
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Of course. | |
| But it's like, yeah, we probably shouldn't do this. | ||
| And I hate those people, so why would I do that? | ||
| Right. | ||
| But it's in there. | ||
| It's in there. | ||
| The idea, like the possibility. | ||
| The only people that can understand me are the people who I am ostensibly fighting against. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| I create my own enemies. | ||
| To some extent. | ||
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Yep. | |
| Speaking of which. | ||
| God damn it, Dan! | ||
| This next clip is so fucking horrifying. | ||
| Can we stop being apt? | ||
| This next clip is so fucking horrifying. | ||
| You know, terrorism is bad, but I really wish it was lone nut Muslims and not the military-industrial complex. | ||
| That's a lot more frightening. | ||
| And so please, God, let it be Muslim extremists, please. | ||
| But we may find that unicorn here. | ||
| Fake laugh. | ||
| I don't know why you'd be praying it was Muslims unless your modus operandi and your whole raison d 'etre is to demonize Muslims. | ||
| So that sort of clip where he's like, please God, let it be Muslims. | ||
| I hear something like that and I'm like, fuck this. | ||
| That's dark. | ||
| That is dark. | ||
| Because it comes from a place of flippancy. | ||
| He's talking extemporaneously. | ||
| He's just kind of riffing around. | ||
| And that's where his brain is. | ||
| He's like, I wish this was Muslims. | ||
| I wish. | ||
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Because he is saying it is Muslims. | |
| But he believes that the Muslims are working for the globalists. | ||
| So, he's wrong on like three levels. | ||
| Dan. | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| In moments like these. | ||
| I remember that when we started this show, you were like, this is going to be fun. | ||
| Well, it is sometimes. | ||
| This is a great idea. | ||
| He's a crazy man. | ||
| We're going to laugh at his craziness. | ||
| Yeah, he's cruel, but most of the time he's crazy. | ||
| You got to go where the information leads you, man. | ||
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I was a radical leftist. | |
| Was? | ||
| Two years ago. | ||
| I was just a radical leftist, Dan. | ||
| I was just a radical leftist. | ||
| I didn't know there was another step forward. | ||
| Now you're a cultural Marxist. | ||
| Globalist cultural Marxist. | ||
| God damn it, Dan. | ||
| But I don't think that any of this that we look at has to radicalize your politics. | ||
| It just has to inform what you know about. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| What a lot of people believe. | ||
| Which is that if anybody that you know is right-wing, it is not necessarily that they believe all of this stuff. | ||
| Sometimes. | ||
| It is not necessarily that they can't possibly consciously believe this. | ||
| Most of them because... | ||
| At the end, like, they believe that they're good people. | ||
| Like, so many people, so many people on the right wing would see somebody who is Muslim who is, you know, like, oh, I saw them at the grocery store. | ||
| We talked for a little while, and then maybe we went out, and maybe we were in the same program. | ||
| Alcoholics Anonymous can feature anybody. | ||
| And we got together, and we became friends. | ||
| And yet, somehow, I would invite them into my home, but I still support a fucking pile. | ||
| They probably don't recognize that... | ||
| What motivated this man to do what he did is the same rhetoric that informs most of Trump's support. | ||
| Most of the MAGA base. | ||
| I don't like painting with a broad brush. | ||
| Not everyone is beholden to all the same propaganda, but the people who put out most of the influential media Are exactly in line with everything that's in this manifesto. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's ludicrous to think that, like, any time, if, like, I know that the right likes to talk about Bill Ayers and Solowinski. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| If I read their documents and they were like, oh, shit, in the same way that reading his manifesto was, I would probably have to take a moment of pause. | ||
| But their documents are like, hey, destroying property, not life. | ||
| Well, that's... | ||
| I feel like you're getting into, like, libertarianism. | ||
| Anyway, no, no, no. | ||
| That's not the point. | ||
| This is a whole different. | ||
| Continue. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| I was introducing a left-field argument that, yeah. | ||
| I reached the end of my thought, probably. | ||
| So, at this point, Alex is kind of floundering a little bit, just being like, hey, I've been right all along. | ||
| Isn't that great? | ||
| Paul wrote an article about it. | ||
| But he needs Paul to, like, sort of synthesize, like... | ||
| A smarter point? | ||
| Because I do think Paul Joseph Watson is smarter than Alex. | ||
| And so Paul comes in with this. | ||
| That's not a high bar. | ||
| Now that Paul is not on speakerphone anymore, they've got him on a connection. | ||
| He gives this. | ||
| Well, I mean, there's three very good reasons why Norway would be in line for a slap on the wrist from these globalists. | ||
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I mean, it's a country that's not in the EU, so it's not part of that. | |
| Bilderberg in a circle. | ||
| Number one, two months ago they froze a $42 million payment to Greece saying that they're not going to give them any more money. | ||
| That would have upset the people organizing the bailout. | ||
| Number two, they supported a Palestinian state which is going to be up for a vote at the UN in September. | ||
| So the Arabs attack them. | ||
| I mean, give me a break. | ||
| But number three, they're set to pull out of Libya on August the 1st, which they announced a couple of months ago. | ||
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So three very good reasons why the globalists would be angry with them. | |
| As usual, total precision from Watson. | ||
| So all he's done is he's laid out ideas. | ||
| He's laid out coincidences. | ||
| None of that implies any sort of causation. | ||
| And it's not really totally representative of... | ||
| You know what it is? | ||
| It's that childish cause and effect that we always talk about. | ||
| Like, that just sort of informs and belies all of InfoWars' rhetoric. | ||
| It's that idea of, like, mysterious cause and effect that we are presenting as real. | ||
| And that's all Paul's doing. | ||
| But he's doing it better than Alex. | ||
| Right. | ||
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Which is why Alex ends that with precision for Watson. | |
| That's a throwback to, like, that basic evolutionary survival tact of, like... | ||
| Create cause and effect, even if there isn't. | ||
| Because cause and effect will protect you in some way. | ||
| There's this weird constellation that means that the moose are out tonight. | ||
| Always be on the lookout. | ||
| Always be creating these things. | ||
| If it weren't for that basic 2.5 million years ago brainstem... | ||
| Creating those things, we wouldn't have maybe higher functions now, but the remnant of it is still killing us. | ||
| Yeah, to some extent. | ||
| And we try as best we can. | ||
| But it's an almost irresistible drive to create connections where they don't exist. | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| Anyways, it's a full moon tonight, Dan, so don't be surprised if people start acting crazy. | ||
| People kill themselves around the holidays. | ||
| So in this next clip, we've come to the point of the show where the news reports are clearly saying that this was a white guy, a blonde guy, who carried out this attack and may have had... | ||
| Do you mean a Norwegian? | ||
| And may have had right-wing leanings. | ||
| And so Alex now has to process that information. | ||
| And I would say he does it in maybe the worst way possible. | ||
| Well, just to add as well, Reuters now saying that it's probably an alliance between Islamists and right-wing extremists. | ||
| Of course, the guy who supposedly carried out the shooting was a blonde-haired Norwegian. | ||
| And that's the script! | ||
| Okay, that's it. | ||
| That came out in Reuters. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| I told you. | ||
| I saw it in the tea leaves from all the data I integrate. | ||
| I could see the scripting. | ||
| Ladies and gentlemen, right-wingers in Europe absolutely hate the Muslims and try 24-7 to kick them out and are tried by government tribunals for saying, rout the Muslims. | ||
| If you think right-wing militia groups and people are working with the Muslims, ladies and gentlemen, I've got a bridge I want to sell you. | ||
| Okay, Paul, now I'm getting freaked out. | ||
| You've got to admit, Paul, did I not absolutely 100% call this? | ||
| Hey, Alex, you just accidentally gave up on air that all of the right-wing people that you align with in Europe hate Muslims. | ||
| Not that they have a good point. | ||
| Not that they're responding to anything real. | ||
| Right-wingers in Europe hate Muslims. | ||
| But that's why they're the ones that... | ||
| The government chooses to demonize, Dan. | ||
| That's why they choose them to... | ||
| Wait, I actually think that's fine. | ||
| No, that's why they choose them to commit their false flag attacks, because then you would believe that all right-wingers believe that. | ||
| Why, Dan? | ||
| Because all right-wingers believe that. | ||
| That's what Alex just said. | ||
| Well, yeah, but all right-wingers believe that. | ||
| That's why they would choose the right-wingers who believe that to carry out these false flags to point out that right-wingers believe that. | ||
| In comedy, that's what's called putting a hat on a hat. | ||
| Yeah, that's a Norm Macdonald joke. | ||
| That's joking a joke. | ||
| What if the premise was the joke? | ||
| What if the setup is the setup? | ||
| And that's the joke. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| What he's doing is describing an ecosystem wherein right-wingers hate Muslims. | ||
| They would do this thing. | ||
| And Germans love David Hasselhoff. | ||
| It's just ludicrous. | ||
| He would never say that now. | ||
| He's saying that as some sort of defense against the idea that this was a right-winger, which it was, 100%. | ||
| Who does hate Muslims? | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Like Alex does. | ||
| But I would argue, based on the hundreds of pages that I've read, he straight up hates Muslims. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But he's more primarily motivated... | ||
| Unless he's going to bang them. | ||
| That's Tommy Robinson. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| Trying to flirt with Muslims on Twitter. | ||
| Hey, don't worry about it. | ||
| You're fit for a Muslim, quote. | ||
| They're destroying the world, but you want to bang? | ||
| The thing that I think he hates more is the multiculturalism and that... | ||
| Cultural Marxist, which is code for globalists, which is code for Alex's worldview. | ||
| So I do think that he hates Muslims and was primarily motivated by that. | ||
| But the primary motivation is also washed up into that worldview that you could easily ascribe to being, he's afraid of the globalists allowing Muslims in. | ||
| It's the same thing. | ||
| In the same way, I know I'm making a really fine line here, but it's the same thing where it's like you want to call him a Nazi, but in his manifesto he's clearly anti-Nazi and Hitler, so it becomes more complicated. | ||
| You want to say that he just hates Muslims, and yes, he does hate Muslims, but there's another layer to it that is more what he's motivated by, which is the traitorous government people who are allowing the Muslims in. | ||
| And the only reason I feel the need to make that fine a point is because it... | ||
| Is accurately reporting what he believes, and it makes it more similar to Alex. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know? | ||
| But that's the central underpinning to so many of those, like, right-wing justifications is on the macro it's bad, but on the micro it's fine. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, I know a good Muslim, but on the macro... | ||
| I bet you do. | ||
| It's all terrible. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Because that's one who's been integrated. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| But we can't integrate all of them, and the large majority will never be integrated. | ||
| So I want to protect the good ones, like fucking Dave Patel. | ||
| Dave's gotta go. | ||
| He's gotta go. | ||
| Well, I mean, he's gotta go. | ||
| Well, we gotta protect Western civilization. | ||
| But, I mean, at the same time, how many fucking stories do you read where it's like... | ||
| A small town is like 99% for Trump and then they find out that their buddy was an illegal immigrant and they're like, no! | ||
| You're not supposed to take him! | ||
| You're not supposed to take him! | ||
| He's cool! | ||
| We should protect the immigrants who are cool! | ||
| But we can't believe that most immigrants are cool because we're told that they're not. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's a... | ||
| What we're experiencing in the world largely is a lot of people succumbing to propaganda over their own experience. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's a great way of putting it. | ||
| And that's a really, really sad state of affairs. | ||
| But I also think that there's something to be said for, like, I was having a conversation about this recently, about the idea that, like... | ||
| You know, with diminishing incomes, it becomes much harder to travel, harder to see the world, harder to get outside of your bubble. | ||
| But at the same time, the Internet is becoming so immersive in terms of, like, you can experience so much of the world without leaving your desk. | ||
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| You know, so there is a possibility for experiencing so much more than you ever were able to without leaving anywhere. | ||
| But everyone gets funneled into the wrong places. | ||
| So what they do, what ends up happening is, like, you have, you said Dave Patel. | ||
| Let's use that as a... | ||
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| You have this person that you know who is a very awesome person who is Muslim, let's say. | ||
| And then you have your view of the world, possibly a lot of the time, is this negative... | ||
| World Online, it's like, no, don't believe it. | ||
| Don't believe it. | ||
| He's fine. | ||
| But there's all these others who are, like, they want to kill you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I don't know what you do with that. | ||
| I don't know how it works. | ||
| I don't know what the path forward looks like. | ||
| Because if your experience of the world, like, legitimately is trumped by propaganda and is trumped by, like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| He's cool. | ||
| He's cool. | ||
| Don't get me wrong. | ||
| He's cool. | ||
| But what you need to know about is cultural Marxism. | ||
| What you need to know is about the globalists who want to flood our country. | ||
| Right. | ||
| They don't want more Daves. | ||
| They want more Mohammeds. | ||
| Well, they also want more Daves, too, though, as is in the manifesto, and Alex, this is part of his rhetoric, the idea that they want more Daves and Mohammeds in here because they'll all vote for multiculturalist or globalist people. | ||
| And the Daves will convince you that the Mohammeds are fine. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| There's this crazy... | ||
| Which is a broad generalization that I don't... | ||
| That's a shorthand that we're using to represent their views. | ||
| I think we're... | ||
| I just want to be clear. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Don't get hung up on that. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| The metaphor is clear. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I think that it's very dangerous. | ||
| I think there are a lot of people who still have immersive experiences in life and still understand that... | ||
| People from all walks of life are fucking cool as shit. | ||
| And you know that no one without mental illness, drug abuse... | ||
| Uh, uh, uh, terrible circumstance in life or domestic abuse or demonstrable crazy, um, uh, circumstance wants to hurt other people. | ||
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| Like most people understand that everyone from every walk of life loves their family. | ||
| Everybody wants to have a real fucking good time hanging out with each other. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And, and if you don't believe that, then that's on you. | ||
| I think, I think most people understand that, but like we talk about, there's that 40. There's that hard 40. But even then, with those people, I would say that 98% of people are like, no matter who is affected by the propaganda, 98% of people in their own lives, in their own small place, just want to be kind. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That's what we are. | ||
| We're trying to be kind in a way. | ||
| And unfortunately, the 2% is somehow capable, like the psychopaths, are somehow capable of creating this propaganda that can convince people who otherwise would not want to harm someone. | ||
| There's a reason that 40% of the country doesn't murder people. | ||
| You've hit on exactly what I think is sort of like how Anders Breivik has his five-point perfect ideal version of society. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I kind of have a version of that myself, and one of them is, like... | ||
| Get rid of the Welsh. | ||
| Number one. | ||
| Number two. | ||
| Ska is going to make a comeback. | ||
| It's never going to make a comeback. | ||
| Number three. | ||
| More importantly, like, we need to grow up to a certain extent and recognize, like, you say 2% in terms of, like, monsters or whatever? | ||
| We have to grow up to the point where we realize that, like... | ||
| There are just anomalies in society based on how human brains work, how society works, that we have to just absorb the blow. | ||
| It sucks. | ||
| It sucks. | ||
| There's things we can do to mitigate the damage of that, which is, number one, fucking gun control. | ||
| We need to fucking do that real hard. | ||
| It'd be nice if our psychopaths got... | ||
| A guy. | ||
| In order to do that, we need to get money out of politics, so there's a lot of political things that we need to do in order to achieve this situation. | ||
| But we need to get to a point where we realize that, like, yeah, man, it sucks. | ||
| Living in a society does involve a certain amount of risk. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because everyone around you, a lot of the time, seem cool, but someone might hurt you. | ||
| That may happen. | ||
| And it sucks when it does happen, but we need to not take that as proof of... | ||
| X, Y, or Z generalization that leads to more hurting of people. | ||
| You need to absorb it. | ||
| Right, but the issue winds up coming down to those 2%. | ||
| The psychopaths are far more capable of manipulating the system to destroy the rest of us. | ||
| Right. | ||
| When you look at anybody who's a billionaire, you have to eventually get to the point where you're like, well... | ||
| 98% of humanity is cool, but those 2%, 98% of them are psychopaths. | ||
| You know, like that kind of thing. | ||
| Jordan, here's why that's fucking flawed. | ||
| I'm not saying that it's a perfect analogy by any means. | ||
| What you're saying makes sense, but I'm not scared of that. | ||
| Because here's the God's honest truth. | ||
| Like, the people who are propagandists and people who use these tricks... | ||
| There are only so many tricks they can use. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| Like, in the same way that if you study logic, you understand logical fallacies. | ||
| And so you're able to look at an argument and be like, oh, no, that's begging the question. | ||
| That's, you know, what you're doing there. | ||
| Oh, you're affirming the antecedent. | ||
| No, what you've done there, that's against the rules. | ||
| You know, like, whatever. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There are only a certain amount of logical fallacies that exist because of how the structure of arguments work. | ||
| In the same way, propaganda only works maybe 15 different ways. | ||
| There aren't a lot of ways that are compelling to make an argument that are emotionally manipulative. | ||
| There is a finite number of ways that people can trick you into forgetting your higher brain and going with emotion. | ||
| So what I would recommend... | ||
| And the reason that 2% doesn't scare me too much is that I hope as we evolve and as society gets better and better as we go along, which I hope we will, those... | ||
| I'm idealistic. | ||
| Dan, 2050, come on. | ||
| Well, climate change... | ||
| We're not going to make it. | ||
| But those sorts of things, if we just start to understand them a little better, the appeals to demography, the appeals to unproven... | ||
| The appeals to us versus them. | ||
| Those sorts of things. | ||
| If we just take a second, if everyone just starts to understand, oh, this is how propagandists manipulate people, there's a decent chance that we could undo a lot of the damage that that 2% can do. | ||
| And the 2% isn't all propagandists. | ||
| I'd say it's like half and half. | ||
| Actors and propagandists. | ||
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| Like the monsters and then propagandists. | ||
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| But I think you can mitigate that damage. | ||
| And to pretend that we live in a society where it's not upon... | ||
| It's not... | ||
| It's not... | ||
| You're behooved to understand that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because you need to play self-defense because those people are out there. | ||
| At the same time, though, how do you argue against the reality that in the almost inverse of the truth... | ||
| Which, again, is going to be a far larger generalization than it should be. | ||
| But the metaphor would then be only 2% of the population studies logic. | ||
| And 98% of the population doesn't. | ||
| Probably less than that. | ||
| Yeah, right? | ||
| But I'm using logic as an analog. | ||
| I'm not saying that it wants to study logic. | ||
| And I'm using it as a metaphor. | ||
| I totally get what you're saying. | ||
| That's not what I'm... | ||
| I mean, just the point being is that how is it that we educate people when the 2% is so insistent about not educating people and yet those 2% are billionaires? | ||
| The responsibility is upon the people who get it. | ||
| And I think that there are a lot of good actors out there. | ||
| I think there are. | ||
| Like, I talk, I complain about Right Wing Watch and Media Matters all the fucking time, because I don't think they do enough. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But they do a good amount of stuff. | ||
| Their heart is in the right place. | ||
| Yes, absolutely. | ||
| And they do a good job of reporting on X, Y, and Z thing that the right does. | ||
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What they do report on, they do a good job of reporting on. | |
| I wish they'd report more, but maybe that's a foundational problem with their funds or their staff or whatever. | ||
| We're not going to fix it on this show. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And at the same time, I wish that, particularly in Media Matters, when they post videos that demonstrate a... | ||
| Very important point. | ||
| I wish they would include an essay that explains why it's an important point as opposed to just posting that. | ||
| But then also you have people like Vic Berger who posts really awesome proof that Mike Cernovich is a fucking monster. | ||
| You have examples of that all over the place. | ||
| There's a lot of good people who are doing the work. | ||
| Sam Seder, Michael Brooks, also doing amazing work. | ||
| But again, we get into the inverse 2% situation. | ||
| You know what I'm saying? | ||
| Somewhat. | ||
| But the inverse of it, you only need that inverse 2% to fight against that 2%. | ||
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Because, like, look... | |
| I'm not here to talk... | ||
| We're kind of couching this in a weird ultimate battle of good and evil right now, which I don't think is how we should... | ||
| It's delusion in reality. | ||
| The 2% 2% kind of thing has a connotation of like... | ||
| The forces must always be matched. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| There's two Sith in there. | ||
| Yeah, that whole thing. | ||
| But I think... | ||
| I sincerely believe this, and I believe this based on all of the research that I consistently do, and all of the like... | ||
| Alex's primary sources, like digging into it. | ||
| I really think that all it takes is a charismatic, decently matched version of what he does in order to completely destroy all of the stuff that he does. | ||
| You know, all of the propaganda can be diffused. | ||
| All of the propaganda can be diffused to a certain amount of people by discussing why the propaganda exists, where it comes from, what its intent is. | ||
| And where the problem is. | ||
| Propaganda can't exist like that in a world where the inverse is there. | ||
| And so when you have people who push back against it, which I think is incredibly important, I'm not just saying that because it's kind of what we do, but pushing back against that will help defuse all this stuff. | ||
| This is what I'm saying. | ||
| We are uniquely placed wherein you and I should run the world. | ||
| I'm going to be the charismatic channeling of Righteous Fury. | ||
| You're going to be the one who tells me what to say. | ||
| We should be doing exactly what we're doing, quite frankly. | ||
| And the reason that this works... | ||
| It's because of that Prime Minister-President dynamic that you're describing, but as a fun entertainment show where we break down propaganda. | ||
| I think it's the most, not the most, but I think it's an incredibly important piece of our modern world that we have to deal with. | ||
| And whatever. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I think that we've spun off into like a... | ||
| We've gone wild. | ||
| I think this conversation is certainly very valid, but at the same time, we wouldn't be having it if it weren't for... | ||
| A lot of feelings that we're having because of the content that we've been covering. | ||
| And how very clear, like I can't stress enough, if you take the time to go read all the stuff that I've read, that I've tried to express as best I can on this podcast without just sitting here and reading you his whole goddamn manifesto. | ||
| If you go and read it, you will only see parallels to the world that we talk about and Alex Jones. | ||
| Personally. | ||
| A hundred percent. | ||
| And it wasn't his world in 2009. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Now, I don't know the months before this, you know, I don't know the months before this, what his rhetoric specifically was. | ||
| I don't know when he chose to hate Muslims and be really scared of them, but I do know that if I had to choose 2009, 2010, he's not like this. | ||
| He's not someone who is... | ||
| Basically regurgitating Anders Breivik kind of talking points. | ||
| And in 2018, he fucking is. | ||
| He is 100%. | ||
| So is Tucker Carlson and Sean Hannity. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| Don't kid yourselves. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| They're just praying that another Anders Breivik shows up, preferably in America. | ||
| Because it would somehow justify them because they've done the preemptive groundwork of being like, if this happens... | ||
| They're just trying to demonize white people. | ||
| Indeed. | ||
| Which Alex did with all of these other fucking terrorist attacks and mass shootings that have happened since then. | ||
| Agreed. | ||
| So we have one more clip here. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And we'll get to it. | ||
| This is sort of a summation of things, and I think it's probably Alex being his most disgusting. | ||
| Well, it looks like they're going to go with white al-Qaeda. | ||
| White-Qaeda. | ||
| White terrorists, period. | ||
| Claim they're right-wingers or whatever. | ||
| They are. | ||
| And they're in Reuters saying, you know, the whiteys are working with Al-Qaeda now. | ||
| I mean, this is all you good old boys that love giving up freedoms because it's only for them brown people. | ||
| You're going to find out it's for everybody. | ||
| What's done to any group is going to end up being done to everybody. | ||
| That's why we all hang together or surely hang separate. | ||
| So the reason that I think that's a fitting last clip for this show is because... | ||
| I would prefer if he called them honkies, but that's fine. | ||
| Well, what we see there is a false call for solidarity. | ||
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| Like, there is this idea, like, if he actually meant what he was saying, I would say, like, hurrah! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, that idea of, like, hey, if it happens to the least of us, it happens to all of us. | ||
| Right. | ||
| That sort of thing. | ||
| You know, that whole Jesus thing. | ||
| Well, because we know from his history, we know from his rhetoric, from looking at him. | ||
| We know that he doesn't really care all that much when it happens to other groups. | ||
| It's always the implicit threat that it's had, which he even is expressing in that clip where he talks about, like, you Bubbas. | ||
| You know, you think it's just there for, you know, the Browns. | ||
| No, it's there for you, too. | ||
| But that goes back to why we reacted so heavily, or why especially you reacted so heavily, when you made that realization of... | ||
| Oh, his biggest problem was not all of these atrocities being committed. | ||
| It's that he thought they might eventually be committed to white people. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So in this situation, when he's living in 2011, when he's living with a black president, when he's living with all of these ideas that he can't handle, of course he's terrified because he thinks, finally, white people are going to get treated like this. | ||
| And now he's totally fine with this impression because he knows, fuck it, white people are going to be fine, even though he's wrong, even though he's utterly and completely wrong, even though white people are more damaged currently by what he thinks makes sense for white people, he still thinks that by virtue of having a white supremacist in office, he's going to be fine. | ||
| Well, he's rich, though, so he's probably going to be fine. | ||
| He won't be soon. | ||
| Let's hope. | ||
| I don't think he's going to get away from at least some settlements in terms of all the lawsuits he's got on his plate. | ||
| Oh, it's not going to go well. | ||
| But that's where I think that last clip really perfectly sums up what the fucked up part of Alex Jones, especially 2011 onward, I guess. | ||
| I don't know where to put the beginning point on it is. | ||
| If he actually meant that, I agree. | ||
| He's saying good things, but it's coded language. | ||
| You can't take it at face value. | ||
| This idea of we hang together or we hang separate in terms of all the people who are having their rights taken away and all this. | ||
| If you actually believed that, then what you would be doing is championing people who aren't white who are having their rights taken away. | ||
| What you would do is... | ||
| You would have years ago been talking about the private prison system. | ||
| Right. | ||
| What you would have been talking about is all of these really legitimate... | ||
| Because white people might wind up in private prison. | ||
| Well, if that's the reason, that's not great. | ||
| Hey, it's not great. | ||
| But there's a lot of different ways that your narratives and your rhetoric would have evolved over time if that was really what you cared about. | ||
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| But the proof of the pudding is in the eating. | ||
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| And when you eat that pudding, what you find out is that... | ||
| All it is is white fear. | ||
| All it is is this is coming for us, guys, if we don't push back against it, but let's also, at the same time, not really care about the actual victims. | ||
| It reminds me so much of when I would make a cogent argument that my family couldn't handle regarding Christianity and how it's a, like... | ||
| Even what they believe, they have perversely destroyed. | ||
| Their response was always a biblical passage that said, even the devil can quote scripture. | ||
| Like, when Alex Jones says that shit, when Alex Jones says what you should believe, even the devil can quote scripture, man. | ||
| You know, like that kind of concept. | ||
| I think that's a perfect way to describe that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, Jordan, I have... | ||
| Ruined my life. | ||
| This has been emotional for me. | ||
| It's been very difficult wrestling with Anders Breivik. | ||
| No, it's been great. | ||
| And thank you, Sonia. | ||
| I'm going to hate you until I die. | ||
| It's okay. | ||
| That's not true, Sonia. | ||
| You're great. | ||
| I think that I've made my points clear. | ||
| My specific points are Anders, in his manifesto... | ||
| Very clearly expresses the exact same viewpoint that Alex Jones does, especially in modern day. | ||
| And he expresses a viewpoint that has been largely adopted by most of the people in the alt-right. | ||
| The entirety of the Republican Party. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So, I want to, because this has been so much, I want to let you have the floor for a final word. | ||
| Well, Dan, I'll tell you something. | ||
| We retired a certain way of signing off. | ||
| No, no, no, no, no. | ||
| That's not what I meant. | ||
| I meant, do you have any last thoughts about this? | ||
| Because this is so fucking heavy in terms of the actual source material. | ||
| We've been joking around a bit. | ||
| I only am bringing this up because in terms of my preparation for the show, I feel like I've been able to get my point across. | ||
| And if you have any other points that you want to make... | ||
| I feel like it stands to reason that you should have a moment. | ||
| I'm not saying that you have one. | ||
| No, it's... | ||
| I don't want to pimp you out here or anything. | ||
| You're not pimping me out. | ||
| Improv terms. | ||
| I am... | ||
| Listen. | ||
| Professional. | ||
| I handle my own business. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| To me, as we were talking about Off Air, I... | ||
| I have gone through such this level of, I have to react in this lizard brain of like, this guy should be killed. | ||
| And throughout this whole episode, I'm going back and forth towards like, yes, he should be by all concept of justice. | ||
| Humanity. | ||
| This is what he deserves. | ||
| And at the same time, the only way to prove that his worldview is incorrect is to treat him humanely. | ||
| It is to accept that the reality is that vengeance only creates more vengeance. | ||
| True. | ||
| It only creates more destruction. | ||
| Dig yourself two graves, etc. | ||
| Getting mad at this only perpetuates what created this. | ||
| Right. | ||
| To some extent. | ||
| Dealing with it sincerely diffuses it. | ||
| And it is amazing. | ||
| It is really amazing how the master's tools will never destroy the master's house. | ||
| Like, that is... | ||
| Shit, now I have to look up... | ||
| That quote is not in Anders Breivik's speech that he wants his soldiers to do in court. | ||
| I have to look her up. | ||
| Yeah, Audre Lorde. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Audre Lorde wrote an essay regarding this. | ||
| That is simply so apropos for so many different things. | ||
| To a certain extent, you can apply it to democracy. | ||
| The master's tools are democracy. | ||
| Or are they the oligarchy? | ||
| Are they the money and campaign finance? | ||
| What are those? | ||
| And when you get down to it, to me, the master's tools... | ||
| Are the patriarchy. | ||
| Are toxic masculinity. | ||
| And that is always coming down to violence solves the problem. | ||
| Well, this is irrelevant because poetry is a tool of the cultural Marxists. | ||
| Thanks, Dan, for letting me have the floor! | ||
| Thanks, Dan! | ||
| No problem. | ||
| No, I agree with you. | ||
| There's a lot of interesting things to wrestle with on that. | ||
| But at the same time, you have to ask yourself, like... | ||
| When they go low, we go high. | ||
| That lost, man. | ||
| We lost. | ||
| Well, I mean... | ||
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| So there's that other question to wrestle with. | ||
| Are you talking about the election of 2016? | ||
| Or what we're talking about on this episode? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, in terms of low and high. | ||
| You know, because I think there are different things. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| We had a mass shooting today. | ||
| True. | ||
| So, what? | ||
| Did Anders Breivik lose? | ||
| Every day we have every... | ||
| What? | ||
| Weekly? | ||
| Monthly? | ||
| He didn't lose. | ||
| He didn't lose. | ||
| We know that for sure. | ||
| How do we make them lose is the question of our time. | ||
| How do we destroy them? | ||
| Because we are no longer... | ||
| Goes back to the longer conversation we had earlier. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's the diffusing the propaganda. | ||
| We're no longer in a place where we can... | ||
| Like, with all of the bullshit eulogies about John McCain, which... | ||
| Look, again, my initial reaction is, bah, bah, bah, bah, bah, you know, all of that stuff. | ||
| But with those eulogies, what they are trying to point to is a past. | ||
| They're hearkening to an emotional appeal. | ||
| They're trying to say... | ||
| They're doing it dumbly. | ||
| They're doing it for the wrong guy. | ||
| But they're pointing back to, like, this idea of... | ||
| Civility. | ||
| There was a time where our arguments were about policy. | ||
| And not about reality. | ||
| They're wrong, but the emotional truth is there. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| You can't fault them for feeling that. | ||
| They want to believe it, because that's a better vision of America. | ||
| Right. | ||
| The better vision is, I think lowering taxes improves our economy. | ||
| And you think raising taxes on the rich improves our economy. | ||
| Now let's talk about it. | ||
| That's a conversation. | ||
| Let's talk. | ||
| Not, I think that immigrants are killing everybody. | ||
| And I think that you're a fucking psychopath. | ||
| And weird rays from Antarctica split hurricanes. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Shout out to my boy Hamamoto. | ||
| Nice work, Hamamoto. | ||
| No, I saw that. | ||
| He's back. | ||
| Solid. | ||
| He's not allowed on Alex's show, but he's back on Owen Schroeder. | ||
| He's back with a vengeance, my friend. | ||
| God damn it, I love him. | ||
| Hey, you lost your tenure at UC Davis. | ||
| Congratulations. | ||
| That means you get to be on the war room. | ||
| Can't talk to Alex anymore. | ||
| But you still got a place. | ||
| Hamamoto, my baby. | ||
| Call me, Hamamoto. | ||
| By the way, Daryl Hamamoto, if you're listening, 530-Neon-Nip. | ||
| Please hit us up. | ||
| We want you. | ||
| I want to talk to you so bad. | ||
| It's just such a... | ||
| I... | ||
| I want to live in a world where we can have a conversation. | ||
| And we don't live in that world, and we have to accept that. | ||
| I think we will. | ||
| We may. | ||
| We may live in that world, but that is going to require... | ||
| Defeat. | ||
| That is going to require not compromise, not coexistence. | ||
| That is going to require a defeat of the right. | ||
| This is where we get into another half hour of conversation. | ||
| You and I have never done that. | ||
| I don't think it does. | ||
| And I think that what you're expressing is dangerously close to the stuff that's in this manifesto. | ||
| No, I don't think it requires a snuffing out of the right in order for us to come to a place, again, of mutual respect. | ||
| That's not what I'm saying. | ||
| It requires a diffusing of propaganda. | ||
| Because what has happened to the right is a case study in propaganda run amok. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Everyone wants to say, because a lot of people sell books... | ||
| That Russia has done that to the right or whatever. | ||
| That's irrelevant. | ||
| I know. | ||
| That's irrelevant. | ||
| It is a propaganda effort that has happened to the right. | ||
| Who cares what the source of it is? | ||
| There is a radicalization that has happened that has not been seen in my lifetime for sure. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| This is not something that is normal in any way. | ||
| But it can be undone. | ||
| By wrestling with their propaganda in a humanistic way. | ||
| It can. | ||
| I apologize if that wasn't made clear. | ||
| I'm not talking about a defeat of the right... | ||
| I'm not talking about a defeat of the... | ||
| Like, that concept of, like, lower taxes, higher taxes. | ||
| I'm talking about a defeat of the world that we live in where that is the right. | ||
| The enemy is the lies. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| I don't mean a defeat of these people. | ||
| I mean a realistic, this is not acceptable, and we all agree on it. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And that is going to require, like, what did it take? | ||
| What did it take for slavery not to be okay? | ||
| It's going to require a lot from people. | ||
| Which is not saying, I want to start a civil war. | ||
| It's me saying, like, it does require an unmitigated defeat. | ||
| Don't worry about the civil war stuff, because that was really about protectionism. | ||
| Yeah, all right, all right, all right. | ||
| That was about, yeah. | ||
| Taxes. | ||
| Yeah, that was states' rights. | ||
| States' rights. | ||
| It's a legitimate reality that it needs to be summarily... | ||
| Dismissed as a whole to the point where the people who are susceptible to this propaganda have to accept for 30 years until they start building Confederate monuments again in order to make sure that, you know, it's going to require that. | ||
| But it also requires humility from people on the left as well. | ||
| Like, I don't think that they're the mainstream left, but there is a propaganda. | ||
| And a commitment to the left instead of this, like, commitment to the status quo. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| And especially a commitment to the non-middle left. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, the middle left, which is really just right. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Again, we retired this. | ||
| But, uh, Anders Breivik and Alex Jones, go fuck yourselves. | ||
| Yeah, I agree with that, but I also think that's, um, so... | ||
| Obvious. | ||
| Anyway, we have a website. | ||
| Wait, Janet? | ||
| We have a website, knowledgefight.com. | ||
| Indeed! | ||
| You can follow us on Twitter. | ||
| We're on Facebook! | ||
| Facebook! | ||
| Go home and tell your mother you're brilliant! | ||
| Which is a great group where a lot of fun memes happen. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It is great. | ||
| We're on iTunes. | ||
| It's really fun, regardless of my... | ||
| You know who's on that group? | ||
| I'm not on Facebook anymore. | ||
| I still like to take a look at the group every now and again. | ||
| It makes me feel good. | ||
| Sonja from Sweden. | ||
| Sonja from Sweden. | ||
| We've come a long way, but thank you so much for the suggestion of this episode. | ||
| Because I think there is a lot of edification that we've been able to get to. | ||
| Through the dark, awful elements of it. | ||
| Sonia, I cannot help but thank you, and I will resent you until the end of my days. | ||
| Also, please email to make sure, because I believe I mailed you a button. | ||
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She got it. | |
| Did she get it? | ||
| I believe I got confirmation. | ||
| No shit. | ||
| Sonia, thank you so much for getting that button. | ||
| And also, if you've made it this far, thank you very much. | ||
| But also, if you have a time travel episode that you want us to do... | ||
| Forget about any message you've ever sent me in the past. | ||
| I need a new message. | ||
| Please send me a message. | ||
| We will do them. | ||
| I just need everything to come back to center because I've lost a couple messages. | ||
| I've lost track of some stuff. | ||
| Please hit me up again. | ||
| I don't mean to ignore you. | ||
| Please just let me know. | ||
| I want to fulfill everyone's request. | ||
| I'm just shit at this. | ||
| It's important to remember that for one time travel request... | ||
| Dan has spent the last 48 hours fighting sleep. | ||
| More than that. | ||
| So just, like, don't worry if we don't get it. | ||
| There's no ignoring of anybody. | ||
| It's that Dan is fucking serious about research and that'll fuck him up. | ||
| But I've dropped the ball on a couple of requests that have come in and I've forgotten about it and I feel fucking terrible about it and I need a reminder. | ||
| So please, please remind me. | ||
| No, yeah, that one where you called a timeout in the Cavs game, David Blatt, and you were like, we need to call a timeout, but you didn't have any timeouts left, and then LeBron overturned you, but the refs didn't see it, and he fired a fucking buzzer beater that was against the rules, and Derrick Rose was still great at the time anyway! | ||
| I am a Bulls fan! | ||
| Derek Rose is a monster, but... | ||
| That I agree with. | ||
| Anyway... | ||
| No arguments there. | ||
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You know what? | |
| He's a monster, but while we're talking about monsters, it's only right that I remind you that Alex Jones probably killed a dude. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
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I'm a huge fan. | |
| I love your work. |