Today, Dan tells Jordan all about what happened between Feb. 12-16, 2009 on The Alex Jones Show. Basically, Alex can't stop talking about state legislatures introducing meaningless resolutions, but gets sidetracked from it just long enough to give some of the most reckless advice a radio host could possibly give. Also, he sings along with some country songs. [Note: apologies about the slight audio glitch]
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| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your work. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Hey, everybody. | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
| I'm Jordan. | ||
| We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Indeed we are, Dan. | ||
| Hey. | ||
| Dan? | ||
| What up? | ||
| What's your favorite drink? | ||
| My favorite drink is probably Cranberry Splash Sierra Mist, a seasonal variety that's only available during the winter months. | ||
| It's delicious. | ||
| Just crisp enough, enough cranberry flavor to get you through those harsh Chicago winters. | ||
| That is infuriatingly specific. | ||
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It is infuriatingly obscure and specific. | |
| Oh no, I asked a question and I got an answer. | ||
| I know, but it's such a you answer. | ||
| For some reason, that answer just, it rankles my hackles. | ||
| What's your favorite drink? | ||
| Probably a Jameson and ginger ale. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| See, I'm a simple man with simple tastes. | ||
| That's a very Jordan answer. | ||
| That's a very Jordan answer, yes. | ||
| We are who we are, Dan. | ||
| Half of the comedians in Chicago. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| Very popular drink at the open mics and shows. | ||
| It's a Chicago... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't think Chicago can take ownership of Jameson and Ginger Ale. | ||
| I'm not saying Chicago can take ownership of Jameson and Ginger Ale. | ||
| What's the point of this? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| We're just not doing that other bit, so I'm trying. | ||
| I know a lot about Alex Jones. | ||
| I'm trying new bits. | ||
| I know only what you tell me about Alex. | ||
| That seems fair. | ||
| There we go. | ||
| Something else that is very fair is I'd like to give a shout-out to a new donor. | ||
| This is another gentleman who's taken their donation, bumped it up a little bit. | ||
| We appreciate it oh so very much. | ||
| So, Jonathan M., thank you so much. | ||
| You are now a globalist. | ||
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. | ||
| Someone, someone, some sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. | ||
| Daddy Shark! | ||
| Thank you so much, Jonathan. | ||
| Thank you very much, Jonathan. | ||
| We appreciate it. | ||
| And if you'd like to support the show, you can do so by going to our website, knowledgefight.com and clicking the support the show button. | ||
| I am going to probably try and remodel that site very soon because I think that our homepage stinks. | ||
| But, and it's kind of inaccurate. | ||
| I think it says we're still broadcasting on Twitch every now and again. | ||
| Which we hopefully will get back to one of these days. | ||
| But for now, just tech issues. | ||
| Too much for me to handle as an engineer. | ||
| But something that is not too much for me to handle is... | ||
| Now that's a transition right there. | ||
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You know what? | |
| It actually is too much for me to handle. | ||
| Today we're going back to 2009. | ||
| We are jumping back into our 2009 investigation. | ||
| Last we left off, we found Alex Jones. | ||
| Going through a cavalcade of stories about states asserting their sovereignty. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| If you'll recall, there were a number of states that tried to push through House concurrent resolutions saying that they won't allow tyranny. | ||
| What, Wink? | ||
| And they didn't. | ||
| Until now, when they are. | ||
| On our last episode, we tracked a number of those bills and saw that they died in committee or never got voted on or just were, you know, whatever, just left alone. | ||
| So we don't need to go over a lot of that. | ||
| If you're interested in that, please go back to our last 2009 episode where we cover it. | ||
| I only bring it up because it's very relevant. | ||
| Where we pick back up, February 12th through 16th is what we're going to cover here. | ||
| Alex is in what I can only describe as a terrible holding pattern. | ||
| He cannot get off this story. | ||
| Really? | ||
| This story is the biggest fucking deal in the world to him. | ||
| Right, because he's hoping it's Secession 2.0. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| That's what he's going for. | ||
| He even, during the course of this time period that we're going to go over, has one of the House representatives on and he talks about how this is Secession and the guy's like, hold on, hold on. | ||
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That is not exactly the intent of what we're doing here. | |
| So even there's a little bit of a miscommunication between him and that House representative. | ||
| I am starting to believe... | ||
| So our 2009 investigation, all cards on the table, are about trying to find out what Alex was up to at the beginning of the publicization of the Tea Party. | ||
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Right. | |
| And then secondarily to figure out when he starts talking about George Soros. | ||
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Yes. | |
| Those are the two things I'm sort of looking into in 2009. | ||
| And I believe that this story that we discussed as a, oh, this is one of Alex's narratives on our last 2009 episode... | ||
| Might be a huge deal. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| It might be a very, very big piece of his transition towards the Tea Party. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I am reserving judgment on that, and I think we're going to talk about this story again. | ||
| But we won't on this episode because all of it is repeats. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| All of it. | ||
| So I'm sitting here listening to these episodes, and I'm like, how the fuck am I going to dig something out of this? | ||
| It's like he's in syndication, just doing reruns. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Just like, yes, yes, states are putting through 10th Amendment. | ||
| He's like, great, Seinfeld's on at 9 every night? | ||
| Fine. | ||
| It's along those lines. | ||
| And I just, I can't, I mean, we are, we got to do a show. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| We do. | ||
| So, the 12th is mostly that, and then he has Mark Dice on to talk about the Illuminati and shit. | ||
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That's fun. | |
| I don't even want to listen to it. | ||
| Ah, the Illuminati! | ||
| I don't want to listen to it because Mark Dice is not interesting at this point. | ||
| He will become interesting a little bit later down the road when, spoiler alert, he turns on Alex and starts talking about how he's a shill, and then mysteriously comes back as an InfoWars contributor. | ||
| Yeah, that's when he becomes Mark Dice Clay. | ||
| Early on, he's still just a whatever... | ||
| Guy who's writing books about the Illuminati. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Not trying to troll people on the streets of Venice. | ||
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Right, right, right. | |
| Wearing flip-flops. | ||
| So at this point, he's just like, eh, whatever. | ||
| We will deal with him down the road. | ||
| But in his current state, unevolved state, I find him very boring. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So we get to the 13th. | ||
| Let me consult my notes here to talk about the stuff we're not going to go over. | ||
| Man, it's a lot of tyranny rambles. | ||
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What got cut? | |
| What got cut? | ||
| So he does do his big everyone stop traffic because I got a big thing coming up. | ||
| Oh, yeah, he does that again. | ||
| That's a fun thing that he does in this time period that I enjoy. | ||
| I wish he could bring that back. | ||
| Yeah, that would be fun. | ||
| That is no fun now. | ||
| Why isn't he screaming like, everybody, stop traffic, tell the person in the car next to you, I agree with whatever the president does. | ||
| Because he's too worried about self-driving cars hitting his fans. | ||
| Oh, that would be difficult. | ||
| Don't get into traffic. | ||
| Those robots will get you. | ||
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Trouble. | |
| Yeah, so he does that, and the narrative that he's trying to build up is this idea that FEMA is going to... | ||
| They're trying to find places to dig up mass graves because they're going to turn on America and all this shit. | ||
| They're trying to find places? | ||
| So this is all about a guy... | ||
| They've got a scout? | ||
| There's a guy who wrote something on a blog. | ||
| I'm not sure exactly the website. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| Who cares? | ||
| It's just a guy with a blog. | ||
| And he might be some sort of conservative journalist. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Those two words don't attach to each other. | ||
| I'm not sure his bona fides, but he is a guy who interviewed a whistleblower, and this audio has come out, and Alex plays it on the show. | ||
| We're not going to listen to it, because the audio quality is terrible, and it's just like, I can just tell you what he says. | ||
| It's Zach. | ||
| No, the guy, Zach, is like 12. Zach is not in play. | ||
| Zach is 12 at this point. | ||
| Yeah, but he starts young. | ||
| He starts young. | ||
| Could be. | ||
| Rex is already a contributor. | ||
| That's a fair point. | ||
| So what he says is that he worked for a FEMA organization, or some local... | ||
| Local organization, not FEMA. | ||
| FEMA called them and wanted to know where power plants are, where police stations are, where you could make a mass grave, that sort of thing. | ||
| Did they ask that specifically? | ||
| This guy says they did, but I still... | ||
| That's such an aggressive way to start a conversation. | ||
| I'm not sure I 100% believe this guy's story, but even if you do believe this guy's story, all this stuff sounds like exactly what the emergency management agency... | ||
| Might be into when you consider the possibility of outbreaks, disasters, natural disasters. | ||
| There's all sorts of benign explanations for wanting to know where power plants are. | ||
| Wanting to know where resources are. | ||
| Where's hospitals? | ||
| Where are your triage centers on the off chance that something breaks bad? | ||
| Where can people get help so we don't run into situations like we had in, let's say, Katrina or any of these other mismanaged situations? | ||
| Counterpoint, it could just be somebody who is actually a white terrorist because that seems like something they would want to know as well. | ||
| Oh, so that's a prank call? | ||
| It could be. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| My point is that this whistleblower does not blow my mind. | ||
| How about your whistle? | ||
| It's not worth stopping traffic over. | ||
| Alex spends a lot of the show talking about that, but that is not as important as we get an appearance from our man, the man. | ||
| Who made a lot of money off gold in South Africa. | ||
| Oh boy. | ||
| Bob Chapman. | ||
| Oh boy. | ||
| The only reason I even see fit to... | ||
| Bobby Chaps. | ||
| The only reason I want to include this clip and his appearance is because Bob makes a very weird offer to Alex in this clip. | ||
| I have to, every five minutes now, restrain my instinct, my survival instinct, because I have small children, to get out of the country. | ||
| I understand that I'm a marked man. | ||
| I understand that... | ||
| There's nowhere to run. | ||
| That it's a global order. | ||
| But I have to restrain my instinct. | ||
| You, of course, left the United States years ago seeing this. | ||
| But, you know, you're grown up. | ||
| Your children are adults. | ||
| But I guess that's why I've expanded our operation while we're even upping the game. | ||
| Because that way, I mean, I'm just committed. | ||
| I'm going to the bitter end. | ||
| The nightmare could all end if the dumbass, and I'm sorry to use that term, but that's what it is, if the dumbass public would just wake up, man. | ||
| It's so horrible, Bob. | ||
| It's my 50th year in this. | ||
| Believe me, I believe you. | ||
| I've been there. | ||
| And incidentally, if you want to hide your kids, I'll hide them for you. | ||
| Oh, it's not even that. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| I put it all in God's hands. | ||
| It's just that primitive instinct. | ||
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Very weird. | |
| Very weird, Bob. | ||
| Bob? | ||
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Bob? | |
| Send me your kids, Alex. | ||
| Send me their kids. | ||
| Hey, Alex, you want to hide your kids? | ||
| I will make sure they are never found again. | ||
| I mean, that's just... | ||
| Weird. | ||
| I know it's probably, in their world, a nice offer. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's weird. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| In the crazy paranoid world, I bet that is a nice thing to say to people. | ||
| I bet it's one of the nicest things. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| I love you so much, I would hide your kids. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I would do it. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I would make your kids the most... | ||
| Never mind. | ||
| So this appearance from Bob Chapman is most... | ||
| Like, we were used to this sort of Alex in present day. | ||
| Because of the times where Steve Pachanek has come on and Alex has had to get therapy from him. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Or John Rappaport will sometimes have to talk Alex back to life. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So Alex is in that state, and for half an hour, he's just complaining to Bob. | ||
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He's just like, Bob, shit's dark. | |
| Also, also, let's... | ||
| First off, there's a slight difference in why Alex is saying he needs to leave America and why Bob actually left America. | ||
| Bob left America to exploit apartheid. | ||
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Alex is fake running away from fake evil people. | |
| Not in 2009. | ||
| That was in his past. | ||
| He was living in Rhodesia and pre-apartheid South Africa. | ||
| Oh, I thought he was originally in the States and then... | ||
| No, he was in those African countries back then. | ||
| Then he moved to the United States. | ||
| I think he's in Canada at this point. | ||
| I'm not entirely sure where he lives, but I don't think he went back to South Africa. | ||
| I think that chapter of his life is like in the 70s. | ||
| Well, yeah, because he would be burned alive. | ||
| At least you would hope. | ||
| It's possible he's wanted. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Or not wanted. | ||
| Either way, dead or alive. | ||
| So about half an hour of them talking, Alex realizes like... | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
| There's a reason I have Bob Chapman on. | ||
| I think the enemy may have overplayed their hand. | ||
| I think this could bring them down, Bob. | ||
| I think you're right, but we've got to get it to enough people, the public, but also, as you say, law enforcement. | ||
| And we've got to make them understand what these people are up to. | ||
| All right, let's get into the economy when we come back, Bob. | ||
| Bob Chapman, TheInternationalForecaster.com. | ||
| Just some days it just really hits me how real it is. | ||
| I mean, I know it's real, but just when it consciously and subconsciously in your heart, your gut, your soul hits you, they built death camps for our families. | ||
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Ha ha ha ha! | |
| Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. | ||
| What kind of disgraceful timing is that? | ||
| They built death camps for our families. | ||
| If I didn't know any better, I would think that was intentional. | ||
| Like, Alex, that's a joke for him or something. | ||
| That is a joke, though. | ||
| That's solid. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| Like, if you're in the middle of this sort of a conversation, tell the guy behind the board to use something else. | ||
| Don't go to that song. | ||
| No way. | ||
| Excuse me, sir. | ||
| I would like the soundtrack from Beverly Hills. | ||
| Please. | ||
| But also in there you hear, they're in the middle of that conversation and it dawns on Alex right in the middle of it. | ||
| Oh, fuck, you're here to sell gold. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| What the fuck? | ||
| Why have I been complaining to you for half an hour? | ||
| Your time is valuable, obviously. | ||
| It's not. | ||
| You need to sell gold. | ||
| So we get... | ||
| Did you just say his time is valuable? | ||
| I assume it is. | ||
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I don't know. | |
| He's got a newsletter to write. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So they get back from break and Alex starts to talk to him about gold. | ||
| And then they talk about how great Ted Anderson's deals are. | ||
| They're so great. | ||
| Lo and behold, Ted Anderson pops up. | ||
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What? | |
| Yeah, what a shock. | ||
| Oh my God, they're running the two-man game again. | ||
| What a shock. | ||
| We're not used to seeing this every time Bob Chapman's on the show. | ||
| So Ted Anderson comes in, he gives his specials, and then Alex gives him this one. | ||
| Hey, Bob Chapman, how good of a deal as a gold and silver expert is the offered Ted is offering? | ||
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Fantastic. | |
| Absolutely fantastic. | ||
| Well, the thing about it is, Bob, I mean, if I can get in here... | ||
| So then Ted Anderson's like, it's not only a great deal, it's a great deal. | ||
| Why is Ted cutting in? | ||
| He got what he wanted. | ||
| It's fantastic. | ||
| It's fantastic. | ||
| Hold on, Bob. | ||
| You don't even know how fantastic it is. | ||
| Because then he goes into a long thing about how, like, I bought it when it was really low. | ||
| I got fire sale prices on gold. | ||
| Because I care about you. | ||
| I still don't understand this whole gold business. | ||
| We have been doing this show. | ||
| Ted Anderson has been hawking gold. | ||
| For the entire show. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I still kind of don't understand how the economics of this fucking shit works. | ||
| I don't understand what you're confused about. | ||
| Wait, wait. | ||
| So he buys gold at a lower cost than what it is now, and then he sells you gold at the cost that it is now? | ||
| No. | ||
| Because then it's going to get more... | ||
| No. | ||
| So how does this fucking business model work? | ||
| I don't understand. | ||
| Does he find gold? | ||
| Does he buy it? | ||
| Is he getting this from ships? | ||
| Is he a diver? | ||
| What is this? | ||
| Is this flotsam? | ||
| I don't understand. | ||
| Do you want to know the truth or the scam? | ||
| I want to know the scam. | ||
| So the scam is... | ||
| I bought this gold when it was $70 an ounce. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Now it's $85. | ||
| I'm going to sell it to you for $75. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
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Or something like that. | |
| So I'm still getting my profit margin. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And you're getting even more profit margin than I am? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| How is that not already like... | ||
| Wait, wait, wait. | ||
| So you're telling me a business is selling me something so I can make more money than that business? | ||
| That's how capitalism works. | ||
| What? | ||
| In reality, he might have the price at the $75 an ounce, but there's all kinds of brokerage fees, hidden costs, those sorts of things that bump it up to... | ||
| I've read all the reports from people who've done business with them. | ||
| You end up with $95 an ounce as opposed to the $85 that it's worth. | ||
| Just because of all the hidden fees. | ||
| So that's the reality behind the scam. | ||
| No matter what the price is, you're paying more for it. | ||
| And then also the people who work for him, like all the dealers that you actually individually coordinate with, from all the reviews that I've read, they also do like... | ||
| A lot of, like, well, if you want to sell it back, we're probably only going to be able to get 65 an ounce for it. | ||
| Of course, of course! | ||
| Like, that sort of thing. | ||
| So you can get your profits out if you want, but you're going to take a cut. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| You're going to take a hit. | ||
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Right. | |
| So they do that to hold people's gold hostage, essentially. | ||
| That's how a lot of these gold and precious metal operations that aren't very reputable operate. | ||
| That's how they make money on the scale. | ||
| You're screwed coming and going. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| Yeah, get them both ways. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And the people who help get you in the door. | ||
| The syrup-mouthed salesmen who get you in are Bob Chapman and Alex Jones doing their two-man game. | ||
| Is there like a real gold business? | ||
| I mean, sure. | ||
| I assume so. | ||
| I don't know what it is. | ||
| I haven't done any research into it, but I'm sure that there is... | ||
| I mean, I think that there are reputable collectors in the world. | ||
| I don't know if... | ||
| I would assume that most of the, if you want to make a profit off precious metals, most of those people are probably scams. | ||
| But if you're already rich and you just want to collect cool coins and stuff like that... | ||
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Right, right. | |
| Now that I understand. | ||
| I think that there's probably a lot of reputability in that world. | ||
| I cannot get past the idea of gold bars, too. | ||
| This is what's really frustrating to me. | ||
| You gotta get over that. | ||
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It's mostly coins. | |
| He keeps saying coins, he keeps saying bullion and all this shit, and I'm like, I just want a gold bar. | ||
| If I'm gonna invest in gold... | ||
| I want a bar and I want to have a stamp on the top of it. | ||
| I recommend you look into gold bars and see the actual size of most of them and also the value of a lot of them. | ||
| Yeah, they're tiny, but they're super expensive, right? | ||
| Those are the chocolate ones. | ||
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Okay. | |
| The chocolate gold bars. | ||
| See, now that's what I really want. | ||
| So, the 13th. | ||
| We've got Bob Chapman and, oh, holy cow, Willy Wonka showed up. | ||
| Holy, he's doing a two-man game. | ||
| So that was Friday, the 13th. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Very inuspicious date for Bob to offer to hide Alex's kids. | ||
| And, of course, Saturday, the 14th, no show. | ||
| And we get back on the 15th on Sunday. | ||
| And most of this show is Alex being petty as hell about Barack Obama. | ||
| In his first clip, I just think, I was like, what are you doing? | ||
| What are you doing? | ||
| This is in response to the... | ||
| The bailout bill has been discussed. | ||
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Yes. | |
| And then Obama went on vacation over the weekend. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| You can't do that. | ||
| And that means Alex has got to turn this into a gossip show. | ||
| And then, well, here's an article right here. | ||
| What's the rush? | ||
| Urgent stimulus on hold. | ||
| For the Obama's weekend off, after pushing Congress for weeks to hurry up and pass the massive $787 billion stimulus plan, President Obama promptly took off for a three-day holiday goodaway. | ||
| Obama arrived at the home in Chicago on Friday and treated his wife to a Valentine's Day dinner downtown last night. | ||
| That's sweet. | ||
| The couple was spotted leaving upscale Table 52, which specializes in southern cuisine. | ||
| With the First Lady toting what appeared to be a doggy bag. | ||
| The President plans to spend the President's Day weekend in the Windy City and is not expected to sign the bell until... | ||
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Why did you say doggy bag lasciviously? | |
| Why is there a drugger bag? | ||
| What the fuck is that? | ||
| Wait! | ||
| Furthermore, let's... | ||
| I mean, I understand the desire to be thrifty, but Michelle... | ||
| You're the first lady. | ||
| You don't need leftovers. | ||
| I'm just saying you don't need leftovers. | ||
| I like to imagine they gave it to a homeless person. | ||
| But I just love the idea because what really... | ||
| He'd already gotten everything he needed out of it to be like, look at these bougie fucks. | ||
| They went to a nice restaurant. | ||
| The only thing you get out of being like, doggy bird. | ||
| That sort of thing is like, she can't finish her meal. | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| What do you do? | ||
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Apparently the restaurant specializes in southern food. | |
| That's a dog whistle. | ||
| Is southern food? | ||
| That's a fucking dog whistle. | ||
| Do you mean like a down-home country food? | ||
| No, you don't, do you? | ||
| I doubt it. | ||
| I just think it's really funny, though. | ||
| Especially in the modern day. | ||
| So weird. | ||
| So fucking weird. | ||
| But here's the reason I think we don't hear about Trump's vacations except from people who are like, this is his seven millionth weekend consecutively playing golf at one of his properties that they are paying for because he is committing a violation of the emoluments clause on a regular basis. | ||
| It's not like Obama owned that restaurant. | ||
| Yeah, what's different about it, though, is that everybody on the right is actually really relieved whenever he takes a vacation, because that means at least he won't do anything fucking serious. | ||
| He's going to do some stupid fucking tweets, but it's not going to be like, and, you know, Trump just announced that he was going to sell Florida to Russia, so, you know, they're like, oh, thank God, we've got a couple of days off. | ||
| I think I... | ||
| I don't think anybody wants him anywhere near the White House. | ||
| Let him stay at one of those clubs and just tweet and we'll all just pretend he's the president. | ||
| Put a big wall around it. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| No, you get to go. | ||
| You're a big boy. | ||
| Oh, he's inviting Putin to the White House. | ||
| Don't do that. | ||
| Get a Putin lookalike. | ||
| Send Yakov Smirnoff. | ||
| Yeah, he won't fucking know. | ||
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He's an idiot. | |
| He's lost his goddamn mind. | ||
| Yeah, perhaps. | ||
| I just like looking, though, at this, like... | ||
| Very benign example of a presidential... | ||
| They went to an upscale restaurant. | ||
| For Valentine's Day? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| As very sweet of Obama to do. | ||
| Seems like they love each other. | ||
| Also, it's President's Day weekend. | ||
| If there's any time a president should be able to, like, I'm gonna go home this weekend. | ||
| I'm gonna do my holiday. | ||
| Yeah, it's President's Day. | ||
| It's literally for me. | ||
| There's one person in this country. | ||
| I am shocked that you guys are even allowed to say it's President's Day. | ||
| It's classified that this is just forever my day off. | ||
| It's super crazy. | ||
| So that's not the only thing he's getting weird about. | ||
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God, it's so weird to live in that. | |
| It's so weird to be back in 2009 where it's like, and the president took his wife out for a very sweet Valentine's Day instead of like... | ||
| And the president paid $140,000 through a fake lawyer to a porn star that he fucked because he didn't want the story to get out. | ||
| That porn star, by the way, he fucked almost during his wife's birth. | ||
| And there are apparently tapes of the lawyer. | ||
| Yeah, and we're just living in a world where it's like, sure, I guess this is just how we live now. | ||
| Back then it was so amazing. | ||
| Oh, he wore a brown suit. | ||
| Everybody's angry! | ||
| He ate a hot dog! | ||
| He ate a hot dog! | ||
| It was a southern hot dog! | ||
| So, also, another thing that Obama did, I don't know if you know this, he crashed somebody's plane. | ||
| At least according to Alex's very serious insinuations in this episode. | ||
| So, a 9-11 truther of sorts was in a plane that crashed. | ||
| These things happen. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Alex would have you know that this was no coincidence. | ||
| Obama remarks on plane crash stimulus. | ||
| You can pull up the video of this on YouTube. | ||
| Real quick, so he's talking about this situation with this 9-11 truther who was in a plane that crashed, and these are Barack Obama's statements on it. | ||
| Here's the text. | ||
| President Obama, this is from the Washington Post. | ||
| Well, thank you all for being here. | ||
| Before I begin, I want to say a brief word with the terrible tragedy that took place outside of Buffalo last night. | ||
| Our thoughts and prayers are with the families and friends who lost loved ones. | ||
| And as always, our thanks goes out to the brave first responders. | ||
| Uh, no. | ||
| Hey, Alex, why don't you try that sentence again, because it makes perfect sense. | ||
| One person who stood that well was Beverly Eckhart, who was on that flight and who I met with just days ago. | ||
| You see, Beverly lost her husband on 9-11, became a tireless advocate for those families whose lives were forever changed on September 11th day. | ||
| Of course, she knows Hillary Clinton is a high-powered Democrat. | ||
| She was. | ||
| She's dead now. | ||
| So there is that report right there. | ||
| Very, very suspicious. | ||
| If you do the actuary math on someone who lost a husband from 9-11, with someone who had just met with the president, with someone who just died in a plane crash, and the fact that she was a 9-11 truther, and it is billions to one, conservatively. | ||
| I want to go to Pat Tripp. | ||
| It's billions to one? | ||
| Well, I mean, that's conceivably true, but I mean, if you just pick out a bunch of variables from anybody's life... | ||
| Like, you and me doing this episode of the podcast, if you extrapolate out, like, someone who lived in Hawaii versus someone who does a podcast with someone who was born in a cult. | ||
| And neither of them died on 9-11. | ||
| Well, you know what I'm saying? | ||
| Alex gets much more mileage out of his idea of what actuaries are than he deserves to. | ||
| Like, the idea that, yes, this is a very... | ||
| Unlikely thing, but it does happen. | ||
| Just because there are certain aspects that are like, that doesn't mean it's suspicious. | ||
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You need to introduce the suspicion part. | |
| I imagine that there are enough 9-11 truthers who fly places that statistically sooner or later one of them was going to go down. | ||
| Right. | ||
| This one just happened to be somewhere in a proximity that was close to the president or something? | ||
| She had met with Obama in the days before, which doesn't, again... | ||
| He's not suspicious. | ||
| A 9-11 truther was allowed to meet with the president? | ||
| See, I'm starting to think, I didn't do any research into this, because I was just, I don't give a shit. | ||
| But I'm starting, what I believe is maybe she's not as much of a 9-11 truther as Alex paints her to be, and more someone who is an advocate for the families of the dead from 9-11. | ||
| I think that's probably more, and I think that you probably did want more of an investigation. | ||
| I think a lot of people have, and fairly so. | ||
| So I think Alex painting her as a member of his kind of 9-11 truth organization may be inaccurate. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know enough to say, but that's what me gut says. | ||
| But who cares? | ||
| Man, Alex cannot make Obama sound stupid. | ||
| He's trying so hard. | ||
| That's just him fumbling. | ||
| He's trying so hard. | ||
| He's trying to talk sarcastically. | ||
| He's trying to do all these different things. | ||
| But if you just listen to the words, you're like, oh yeah, that's a... | ||
| Good, well-constructed sentence. | ||
| He's a good writer. | ||
| He's got speech writers. | ||
| And it's gracious. | ||
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He's doing great. | |
| Yeah, he's doing a good job talking. | ||
| It's taking time out of a press conference at the start to comment on something really sad that happened and pay respects. | ||
| Something he didn't need to do. | ||
| At all. | ||
| No. | ||
| So, most of the rest of the show... | ||
| Is just a lot of that states are declaring their sovereignty stuff. | ||
| A lot of talk about that. | ||
| But then Alex says this, and I think it's just good to reinforce that Alex Jones' opinions in 2009 are not consistent with what he would believe in the future. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| The NRA is a pro-gun control group. | ||
| And more and more of that's coming out. | ||
| They pushed the 68 Gun Control Act and got it passed. | ||
| They were set up by the federal government in 1870. | ||
| They're there to neutralize and control gun owners. | ||
| And now Gunners of America is now on record. | ||
| The NRA is a pro-gun control group, but they pose like they're pro-gun. | ||
| So he's pretty anti-NRA at this point. | ||
| I know that what's going to end up happening is he's going to say that the NRA changed. | ||
| At some point, they became more lunatic-ish. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And I agree, they did become crazier. | ||
| Oh, they got wild. | ||
| But the way he's presenting them as a gun control group, that wasn't even true in 2009. | ||
| That's silly. | ||
| No. | ||
| That's just because he's super in with Larry Pratt in Gun Owners of America, who, again, as we pointed out on our Roulette episode, Larry Pratt is one of the people who gets tricked by Sacha Baron Cohen in that new documentary. | ||
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Right. | |
| So that's delightful. | ||
| By being a wonderful man. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I'm not going to watch the show. | ||
| I'm out. | ||
| I have no interest in it. | ||
| I'll watch it. | ||
| But you know what? | ||
| As the kids say, I'm there for that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, are you? | ||
| Did you watch? | ||
| No, I haven't seen it, but I'll watch it as soon as it's put in front of me. | ||
| That's the kind of position I'm in. | ||
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I don't like it. | |
| I get the idea that it's fun to make them say outlandish things like, we're going to arm children and put them into school. | ||
| I don't find that funny or outlandish because what they're saying now seems like it should have been enough. | ||
| What they say now about getting one entrance for schools... | ||
| Why do you need to go further than that? | ||
| That's insane. | ||
| We should all be laughing at that. | ||
| The Overton window has gone so far that you have to... | ||
| You might as well have these people be cartoons. | ||
| This is ridiculous. | ||
| I almost think the better way to do this as a parody is put it out as a serious show and never say that it's Sacha Baron Cohen doing it. | ||
| Something like that. | ||
| Because they would probably promote it. | ||
| If it was put out as a serious show, they never realized it was a prank. | ||
| Because they didn't realize it was a prank while it was happening. | ||
| Yeah, that would be great. | ||
| But anyway. | ||
| That'd be a great... | ||
| We get Ted Koppel. | ||
| Is he dead? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Maybe? | ||
| Let's kill him. | ||
| I give him a real unenthusiastic maybe? | ||
| Let's get him to... | ||
| We do a pure... | ||
| We do the exact same show, but with Ted Koppel. | ||
| You're right. | ||
| It would crush in the conservative media. | ||
| And it wouldn't... | ||
| They wouldn't... | ||
| Be ashamed. | ||
| They wouldn't say they were tricked. | ||
| They would promote it. | ||
| No, that's the failing with that idea is that the conservative right would fucking love it. | ||
| Most likely. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Just like those politicians were like, yeah, let's unarm kids. | ||
| If we put it out as a serious show, conservatives would be like... | ||
| Why haven't we already armed kids? | ||
| Yeah, why don't we entertain this as a possible line of rhetoric? | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| Because everything else we say is stupid. | ||
| Why not throw... | ||
| Oliver North could do a commercial for that right now, even after the joke played by Sacha Baron Cohen. | ||
| And most of the conservative right, if not all, would be like... | ||
| That's actually a good idea. | ||
| I know it was a prank show, but it doesn't mean there's not good ideas. | ||
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Yeah, these guys, they are really doing a great job. | |
| So that's the end of what we're going to cover on the 15th. | ||
| Who cares? | ||
| We ought to move along. | ||
| And I know I'm giving short shrift to a lot of stuff, and there's little bits of nuance, but most of it is really just talking about that state sovereignty stuff. | ||
| It's most of what he's doing in this time. | ||
| And I need to get out of this stretch of a couple days. | ||
| So we're barreling through, and I look forward to further episodes that don't have as much to do with this, because I'm getting goddamn tired of hearing about it. | ||
| But I think I'm going to hear a lot more about it. | ||
| The states have declared their sovereignty. | ||
| Yes, and when we get to the 16th here, February 16th, 2009, Alex pivots the narrative a little bit. | ||
| So he starts the show not by talking about the states that are declaring their sovereignty, but the states that aren't. | ||
| How many days did it take him to get there? | ||
| It took a while, but at least I appreciate it's a difference, you know, but at the same time, it's kind of scary. | ||
| The bill sponsor says his proposal is more about states' rights than about gun rights. | ||
| Well, it all ties together. | ||
| So another example of the states saying no, no, no. | ||
| The states can also be tools of the feds, and by extension, tools of the globalists. | ||
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Sure. | |
| Long pause here. | ||
| Because many states are not declaring sovereignty or defending the republic. | ||
| They are actually selling out through mineralization to the United Nations and other international organizations, private corporations. | ||
| They're helping the feds bring in tyranny and are willing accomplices aiding and abetting this high treason. | ||
| So if you parse that out, what he's getting at is that the states that aren't doing these House concurrent resolutions, and as we know, from living in the present, which is the future of 2009, a lot of those didn't pass. | ||
| So they are failures in defending the republic. | ||
| In what way could a state declaring sovereignty be considered defending the republic? | ||
| Oh, see, that is an interesting... | ||
| Well, it's because... | ||
| I mean... | ||
| Find me any explanation where that makes sense. | ||
| I can explain it to you based on Alex's world. | ||
| He believes that the federal government doesn't really exist because it's been taken over by the globalists. | ||
| Right. | ||
| At any point in history, if he's not happy with who's in charge, they are a globalist. | ||
| So the federal government doesn't really exist, so what he wants at this point in 2009 is very specifically secession. | ||
| But it's the secession where states assert their sovereignty, dissolve the federal government, and then bring it back together in his weird patriot version of a federal government, which would still necessarily involve some level of Global involvement. | ||
| It would still involve some level of supremacy clauses in terms of just murders illegal everywhere. | ||
| It should be. | ||
| I don't think it is. | ||
| In America. | ||
| Yeah, not in America it's not. | ||
| Well, on paper. | ||
| His idea is this awesome thing where... | ||
| You break up the union, then bring it back together in its original better form or whatever. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But it's the same problem that a lot of these idealists that have idealistic utopian visions that are really regressive, that really point back to a bygone time, they don't realize that in order to get to the starting point of their utopia, you have to create hell. | ||
| And also, the odds of you getting through that hell to reach your ideal place is almost non-existent. | ||
| And along the way, the people who are going to be hurt are the people who don't have anything. | ||
| No, it makes perfect sense, right? | ||
| So you dissolve the federal government. | ||
| I'm hearing you. | ||
| We have, what would you say? | ||
| 20, 30 decades of complete and utter chaos as the world burns, right? | ||
| But then... | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| Fixed it. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't, like... | ||
| I understand this is what he thinks is going to help everything and get rid of these demon globalists that are in charge of everything. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But when I look at it from just a logistical, technical standpoint, the idea of... | ||
| We've even talked about this before. | ||
| I don't understand why you think you don't understand this. | ||
| You understand this. | ||
| I don't understand the gold thing. | ||
| Well, you may have just forgotten that we've talked about this. | ||
| It is like... | ||
| You can make this sort of rhetorical argument about I want to dissolve the federal government in order to have us all come back together under a better federal government. | ||
| But what you're really advocating for is you don't want the United States. | ||
| You want a different thing. | ||
| You want a thing where, you know... | ||
| Can't they just say they want to own slaves? | ||
| Can't they just do that? | ||
| It's not that simple, but that is a part of it. | ||
| That mentality is a part of it. | ||
| Just say you guys are mad that they took slaves away. | ||
| You want to own black people, or you don't ever want to see black people. | ||
| We don't want protections for people, that sort of thing. | ||
| Dumb federal regulations that are ruining the free market. | ||
| Regulations are terrible. | ||
| So the reality of what you're going to end up with is a bunch of states that aren't going to be able to agree on anything. | ||
| And best case scenario, you end up creating two different countries that you couldn't possibly create because the contiguous states that would be on the same side of it don't connect. | ||
| So what you'd end up with is probably four different countries with two different ideologies. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It would be a mess. | ||
| And all you would do is... | ||
| Create a complete power imbalance in the world. | ||
| You would create just a disastrous foreign policy state. | ||
| Oh yeah, that'd be hilarious. | ||
| Trying to negotiate treaties amongst random-ass states? | ||
| That'd be fantastic. | ||
| Even in 2009, forget about where we are in the present. | ||
| Even in 2009, it would create just the worst possible state of affairs for the world. | ||
| Bananas. | ||
| But these are the sorts of things, and I'm not even thinking about this on a nuanced policy level. | ||
| These are just very basic concerns. | ||
| I know that he's not that stupid, and I don't think he is. | ||
| That's why I think there's a con involved. | ||
| He has to act like he doesn't have those thoughts and realize that, well, Texas is going to become a standalone country theocracy where we can... | ||
| Kick all the non-whites out or whatever. | ||
| He has to pretend he doesn't realize, oh, this is most likely what's going to happen. | ||
| We can go back to gay bashing, none of these dumb wheelchair ramps that I have to build at Infowars Studios for no reason. | ||
| Those are infuriating. | ||
| I don't have to feel bad if I don't have any minorities working for me. | ||
| I hate that. | ||
| I don't have to feel bad ever again for being myself. | ||
| For being white, Dan. | ||
| Why do people not like the white identity? | ||
| That's the real issue here. | ||
| I just want to be white, and I never want to see anybody else. | ||
| Well, yeah. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So anyway, we move along, and we get something that is oh so familiar to us, and it's been a little while since we've taken a walk down this road, and this is going to be long, but I think it's necessary, because let's have a positive moment with Alex before he does some fucking horrible shit on this episode. | ||
| God damn it. | ||
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Poncho was a banded boy. | |
| His horse was fast as far as steel. | ||
| He wore his gun outside his pants for all the honest world to feel. | ||
| Poncho met his match, you know, on the deserts down in Mexico. | ||
| Nobody heard his dying words. | ||
| But that's the way it goes. | ||
| How many times does he do this? | ||
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All the federalists say Out of kindness, I suppose. | |
| He's one of those guys who only knows... | ||
| Like, four words of every verse. | ||
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It's so bad. | |
| Like, right now, if he's trying to sing along, it'd be like... | ||
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And the... | |
| South. | ||
| Ended up and left his mouth. | ||
| The day they laid poor poncho load. | ||
| Lefty split for Ohio. | ||
| Where you got the bread to go. | ||
| Ain't nobody knows. | ||
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There ain't nobody knows. | |
| There ain't nobody knows. | ||
| Do we need a new internet? | ||
| Here it is in the New York Times as they introduce the end of the web to the slaves. | ||
| Because they're nearing completion of Internet 2. We'll cover it when the song is done. | ||
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I love it. | |
| It's hard to play a little bit of this song and not let Merle Haggard have the end here. | ||
| That's fair. | ||
| I don't know whose voice I like better. | ||
| Merle Haggard or Waylon Jennings? | ||
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Tough call. | |
| This makes me laugh so hard. | ||
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Poets tell how Fonjo fell And left his living in a cheap hotel And there's this quiet, Cleveland's cold So | |
| the story and my damn Merle Haggard sounds like a Muppet I don't need your prayers it's true save a few who left it too he only did We're really listening to this. | ||
| And now he's grown old. | ||
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All right, we are We're back live. | |
| Remember, they announced the FEMA camps after they've already built them, already prepared the police and military. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So we're back live three minutes into you listening to Poncho and Lefty. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| First of all, I just love that song. | ||
| It's a great song. | ||
| I always forget, like, in that song, Merle Haggard sounds like if they made a Muppet of Boz Skaggs. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It just sounds like a jazzy Muppet. | ||
| The desert's quiet. | ||
| How? | ||
| How? | ||
| I always love the way he does that. | ||
| How? | ||
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How? | |
| Like that whole... | ||
| That's good stuff. | ||
| Better L.S. Man, back in Missouri, when you'd go to karaoke, you could not... | ||
| Go through the night without at least three people singing goddamn Pancho and Lefty. | ||
| Yeah, that doesn't surprise me. | ||
| And you don't call me by my name. | ||
| While they were singing it, did anybody say like... | ||
| And by the way, they have weaponized dogs. | ||
| We'll talk about that after the end of this song. | ||
| I have like Vietnam flashback level sort of visceral reactions whenever, and it hasn't happened much since I left Missouri, but if I hear that song, I'll hang around as long as you will, let me. | ||
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And then the whole crowd goes, let me, let me, let me. | |
| No, I couldn't do that. | ||
| I just remember being in these fucking... | ||
| These karaoke bars on the fringe of town. | ||
| Bunch of hillbillies. | ||
| I can't do call and response karaoke. | ||
| Awesome hillbillies. | ||
| Can't do call and response karaoke. | ||
| I'm not talking down on the good folks of the Roadhouse karaoke bars I used to go to. | ||
| A lot of great country folk, but a lot of nights drinking slow gin. | ||
| Too late. | ||
| Too late. | ||
| Out at Peppers and Scuba Steves. | ||
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All right. | |
| Anyway, let's move along. | ||
| I needed to do that because, first of all, I love the song. | ||
| But then secondly, Because I know that we've listened to Alex doing his weird DJ thing a couple times, but I don't think we've ever heard him give a story like, they're going to kill the internet. | ||
| Talk about it when this song's over. | ||
| I know, that's beautiful. | ||
| That moment is pretty great. | ||
| And also we need that because we are about to get into Alex being a monster. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Like an absolute monster. | ||
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Out of kindness, I suppose. | |
| So a caller calls in. | ||
| He takes calls for most of the beginning of the 16th. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And this caller is telling him that he woke up thanks to some InfoWars and Luke Radowski videos, some conspiracy-type videos. | ||
| And then Alex says something to this guy that I think no one should ever, ever say to someone. | ||
| Like, put your mic down because you're going to scream at this. | ||
| But on the other end, I'll explain more in depth what I mean. | ||
| Real quick, just because it was a little muddy, he said, I try and tell the close people to me and they think I'm crazy. | ||
| Talking about the things he's learned from Infowars. | ||
| About everything that's going on and stuff like that. | ||
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He said I'm like an occult. | |
| A cult. | ||
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And I lost a girlfriend over this. | |
| That's right. | ||
| Questioning the government is cultic. | ||
| Trust them. | ||
| The pension funds aren't being robbed. | ||
| The foreign banks aren't taking... | ||
| Newsweek isn't calling for world government run by the banks. | ||
| They are, but if you read Newsweek and read it to them, it doesn't exist because they like being schmucks. | ||
| They like being slaves. | ||
| They've been taught it's cute and fashionable to be an idiot. | ||
| Yeah, it's like the Matrix. | ||
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When they tell you to try to wake somebody up too late, they do what they can to protect the Matrix. | |
| I show them all the evidence and everything, and they still deny it. | ||
| They do the doublespeak. | ||
| Well, you need to not worry about those particular people. | ||
| Let me guess, you're trying to wake up your friends and family? | ||
| Yeah, a lot of them respond. | ||
| They don't respect you, sir. | ||
| They don't respect you. | ||
| You'll have better luck with people that don't know you. | ||
| That's the next level. | ||
| Of incredibly irresponsible as a thing to say to somebody. | ||
| That, to me, is like, you know, he's saying that my family says I'm in a cult. | ||
| And then he goes to the leader of said cult who says, isolate yourself from your family. | ||
| Now, granted, at least, I mean, I'm not, I'm still saying that Alex's behavior is the most out of line here. | ||
| But at least he is still saying, like, not, like, isolate. | ||
| On the other hand, if I had a family member who started telling me about InfoWars... | ||
| I would stop respecting them. | ||
| I think it's possible to respect them and not respect that part of them. | ||
| I think that there's still familial love that probably exists there. | ||
| And what Alex is doing is trying to shut that down. | ||
| He's trying to make it like, your family is actually your enemy. | ||
| Well, if you don't... | ||
| What you don't realize is they already don't like you. | ||
| They don't respect you. | ||
| They never will. | ||
| You know who does? | ||
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InfoWars. | |
| You gotta come over here. | ||
| This is a family. | ||
| Start talking to strangers. | ||
| Maybe you'll find some people who are into InfoWars and then you've got a new family. | ||
| Then you can make a cell. | ||
| Don't you want a new family? | ||
| One that's really into hating globalists. | ||
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Yeah! | |
| Come on! | ||
| That old family, what is it? | ||
| What do they want? | ||
| What do they want? | ||
| Healthcare? | ||
| Come on! | ||
| Get over to InfoWars! | ||
| And I should be super clear about this. | ||
| What the guy is talking about is not... | ||
| You know, I just told them I don't trust the government and they are mad at me. | ||
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No. | |
| Because that's what Alex has to present as like, oh yeah, that's what I'm responding to. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| If anybody, within the sound of my voice, if our show and liking it has hurt you in any way, let's say you became so into it it ruined a relationship. | ||
| Stop listening. | ||
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Yeah! | |
| That would be, if anybody ever came to me with like, hey, I like your show too much, people think I'm crazy, I would say, I appreciate that, I'm glad you like the show, but it's not worth it, you have a life. | ||
| Repair your relationship, try and get her back, tell her that you're sorry, tell her that, you know what, even though she is an info warrior, you can still love her. | ||
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Absolutely. | |
| That's what you gotta do. | ||
| It's about what's inside. | ||
| Now I think that's the ultimate. | ||
| You know, they used to say, what's it, that one fucking Democratic strategist had a Republican wife, and how did they make it work? | ||
| A Democrat and a Republican? | ||
| Imagine if we had a policy wonk and an Infowarrior relationship. | ||
| Dude, that would be ridiculous. | ||
| And if that does exist out there, I'm ordained. | ||
| I can perform weddings. | ||
| Oh, for sure. | ||
| Gotta. | ||
| Come do that. | ||
| You'd be very clear which side was the bride and which was the groom. | ||
| You know, you can just look at the clothing and how many Hillary for Clinton, Clinton for President shirts. | ||
| But let me tell you something. | ||
| We would still play the Highwaymen at this wedding. | ||
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Absolutely. | |
| First dance is Silver Stallion. | ||
| Doesn't matter what side you're on, everybody loves the Highwaymen. | ||
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Come on. | |
| It's good and unifying. | ||
| So that was really terrible. | ||
| I heard that and I was like, Alex, Alex, you need to know what you're saying to people. | ||
| He said it twice to him. | ||
| They don't respect you. | ||
| That's fucked up. | ||
| He's a cult leader. | ||
| I agree with you. | ||
| But if you want to be really generous to him, that's at least so irresponsible. | ||
| If it's not intentional to drive a wedge between his listeners and their family, it's so irresponsible to a level that you shouldn't be on air. | ||
| You're saying stuff like that. | ||
| You should not be on air. | ||
| It is borderline. | ||
| You're listening. | ||
| You call into a radio show. | ||
| You're really, really depressed. | ||
| You're talking to this radio host, and the radio host is all of a sudden like, well, you know what? | ||
| Maybe people don't like you, and suicide is an option. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| That is the level of irresponsibility. | ||
| It's not as extreme as that, but it is the same flavor. | ||
| And it's the same sort of thing that people who have been a part of Stefan Molyneux's cult... | ||
| You know, he doesn't like to call it that, but that's... | ||
| Cult leaders rarely do. | ||
| But that's the same sort of thing he would encourage in his listeners, that defooing. | ||
| Getting abusive people out of your life, and then defining abusive people as those who don't agree with my philosophy. | ||
| They're suppressive persons. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| So you see that sort of thing coming out here in Alex, and it doesn't happen all the time. | ||
| But there's enough instances of things like that that you're like... | ||
| Alex. | ||
| Stop this. | ||
| Stop this. | ||
| So that's terrible. | ||
| That's really unacceptable behavior. | ||
| So let's get that, now that we've gotten that terrible thing out of the way, let's get that out of our mouth with this. | ||
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Oh, no, it's Eastbound and Down, loaded up and drugging. | |
| Eastbound and Down, loaded up and drugging. | ||
| Are we going to do what they say can't be done? | ||
| We're going to bring down the New World Order. | ||
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We've got a long way to go, and a short time to get there. | |
| I'm Eastbound and what don't they have to run. | ||
| Keep your foot hard on the pedal, son, never mind your brakes. | ||
| Let it all hang out, cause we've got to run to make. | ||
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The boys are first thick in Atlanta, and their beer and techs are kind of. | |
| All right, let's go back to James. | ||
| The government is murdering your children. | ||
| We're going to talk about that. | ||
| All this candy, all this crud food in the school lunch program. | ||
| Holy shit, he just said that. | ||
| The children eat the food, then they crash from it, then they're depressed, and then they put them on Ritalin, Prozac, and a bunch of other things. | ||
| So, that fun didn't last long. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| He doesn't listen to the entire Eastbound and Down, but this episode is fucking full of him singing. | ||
| I didn't include the last one, but he does also sing along with the Unknown Stuntman. | ||
| Oh! | ||
| Oh, that's nice! | ||
| It's ridiculous. | ||
| Oh, that's nice! | ||
| So, at the end there, He's getting into what's going to take up the next couple of clips, and that is his idea that they're putting Coke and candy into these school food programs in order to get your kids all jittery and then they crash and then they get them on pills. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Which I think flies counter to most of Michelle Obama's initiatives that you put forth in terms of healthy school lunches. | ||
| What's healthier than Coke? | ||
| And who are you going to trust? | ||
| Someone who gets a doggy bag? | ||
| A doggy bag. | ||
| You'll put a little too much English on that one. | ||
| I put a little stick on it, yeah. | ||
| You're right. | ||
| So that is like, alright, Alex, if you want to start down that path, you're getting into what I would call slightly dangerous territory because you're not a doctor. | ||
| But, you know, I understand there's a lot of conspiracies out there and if this is where you want to spend a little bit of time on your show, have that. | ||
| Let's see where he takes it. | ||
| What happened is they gave you Sugar. | ||
| They gave you caffeine. | ||
| They gave you all of this. | ||
| You bounced off the walls. | ||
| They said you had anxiety problems. | ||
| And people, even if they're eating healthy, if they don't have a lot of physical action, if they're not playing sports, if they're not running around on the playground at least a few hours a day, they get antsy. | ||
| They have anxiety. | ||
| I mean, it's normal when you're 12 years old and you ask that girl in your class to meet you at the movies. | ||
| Or at the mall to get butterflies to have anxiety. | ||
| Or when the bully, you know, after school you're walking home and he comes over and starts shoving you and pushing you, you have anxiety. | ||
| That is your power. | ||
| That is your engine. | ||
| That is your soul. | ||
| That's your mind. | ||
| Your glands giving you the real drugs that are in your body that you're meant to have. | ||
| And you're meant to work through those things and learn to deal with anxiety and learn to use it. | ||
| So, he's starting off with his first salvo, and that is that he's mis-equating normal human stresses with people who have chemical imbalances and, you know, psychological issues. | ||
| I don't want to call it problems or anything like that, but, you know, people who have... | ||
| Theory. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| He is a Sith Lord. | ||
| All right? | ||
| Because, as we know, fear, anxiety, leads to anger. | ||
| Anger leads to hate, right? | ||
| Now you have to learn to use that hate. | ||
| That is how you go to the dark side. | ||
| The Jedi, the whole point is to fucking get past that and to live beyond it. | ||
| Not to use it. | ||
| That is exactly what a Sith Lord would say. | ||
| I have opened and shut that case. | ||
| Jordan, I solve cases. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| I would say that all he ends up talking about, like, all that fuel is, like, he just goes on to say, like, I work 18 hours a day. | ||
| Like, I don't know if you want to be like, I'm so anxious I'm a workaholic. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Great. | ||
| That's a good... | ||
| Go be with your young kids you're trying to give to Bob Chapman. | ||
| You know, he's obviously conning. | ||
| Although I think he does believe in the... | ||
| I think this part he actually does believe. | ||
| Like, they give you... | ||
| Like, Ritalin is evil. | ||
| Like, all of these... | ||
| You know, vaccines are evil and all that stuff. | ||
| I think he believes that. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| He's not conning people on that. | ||
| I'm willing to believe most of it. | ||
| He's working with con people, though, like General Stubblebine. | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| And his wife, Dr. Labo. | ||
| But I do think he's genuinely against any kind of prescription-type thing, right? | ||
| No. | ||
| Well, I mean... | ||
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No? | |
| In terms of his con... | ||
| He's not a Christian scientist. | ||
| Well, he's sure close to it. | ||
| Yeah, but... | ||
| You probably wouldn't say this about if he threw out his back and he needed opiates or something like that. | ||
| Well, none of these guys, when they need it, they will do it, but you shouldn't. | ||
| They're just concerned with psychiatric medication because, I think rightfully, they've recognized that a lot of the people who fall for their cons happen to be people who have psychological conditions. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And it's a good way to keep people in your tent. | ||
| Keep them unmedicated. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because when they're unmedicated, they're more likely to have manic episodes, paranoia, those sorts of things. | ||
| They're more likely to isolate themselves from their family, like he advocated that other caller to do. | ||
| There's all sorts of ways that you can get them to be more in your camp. | ||
| And I don't think that that is a coincidence. | ||
| No, that is intentional. | ||
| Well, whether or not it is a front-of-the-brain active process where he's like... | ||
| I need my audience to not get healthier because if they get healthier they'll leave me. | ||
| Or if it's just something that he subconsciously understands and so he's made that a part of his worldview. | ||
| Or, third possibility, it's just a really easy way for him to... | ||
| Come up with a wide-scale thing that he's blaming the globalists for. | ||
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Okay. | |
| You know, there's another aspect to it where he just, consequences be damned, I don't really give a shit. | ||
| Well, and at the same time, well, he's not hawking products at this point, though. | ||
| So, he's not, right now, he's not replacing. | ||
| No, but some of his sponsors are. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Because in the present, of course he's going to say, don't take medication, because Super Male Vitality is going to do it. | ||
| I think I've heard him say that less. | ||
| Oh, yeah? | ||
| In the future. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Now, granted, I don't know. | ||
| I don't associate this level of it with the present day. | ||
| I'm hesitant to put it up on our board as a major difference between the past and the present, though it would serve as a giant difference because, you know, him being all right with pharmacology and stuff like that in the present would be crazy. | ||
| It would be strange. | ||
| I think that he would never go as far as he ends up going. | ||
| On this episode in the present. | ||
| I would say that. | ||
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Okay. | |
| Strap it in, Jordan. | ||
| Because you're only alive once. | ||
| So, son, put your foot down on the pedal. | ||
| Never mind them brakes, because we've got a run to make. | ||
| Now, I'm going to be very clear here with you, and we've had medical doctors on. | ||
| You do not want to go off those drugs cold turkey. | ||
| And when you try to get smaller pills, you know, smaller increments of the drug, they're going to say, why? | ||
| Why do you want to go off this? | ||
| Who told you that? | ||
| You want to... | ||
| I'm not going to practice medicine here. | ||
| I'm going to tell you to go research what medical doctors have said. | ||
| You need to titrate the dose downwards. | ||
| You need to bring it down over, I'd say, a two-month period. | ||
| And I would also have a regimen of not watching as much TV or playing video games, getting healthy at the same time, and exercising, and going out and looking at the stars at night. | ||
| And at the same time, what helps people pull themselves up... | ||
| Is you need to volunteer at local soup kitchens and see people who are starving or people that are drunks or on drugs and see people with diarrhea running down their legs. | ||
| That will raise your soul by helping them and it will let you know how blessed you are and how good you've got it and then you won't be depressed because by helping others, you are fulfilled. | ||
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Hmm. | |
| So... | ||
| We need to prop up the capitalist system, thereby creating a lower class of drunks and people with diarrhea running down their legs. | ||
| Purely for you to help and feel better about yourself because you have gone and helped. | ||
| Alex, when's the last time you went to the soup kitchen? | ||
| You ding dong? | ||
| Also, like, I... | ||
| Save for the part where he's legit saying people should slowly get off their meds. | ||
| That's good advice! | ||
| Save for that part. | ||
| The rest of it is okay. | ||
| The hippy-dippy, wishy-washy stuff about eat better exercise, look at the stars. | ||
| Look at the stars! | ||
| I don't hate that as advice, but I do hate the idea of Alex Jones. | ||
| Well, I mean, at the same time, you know, if a doctor was telling you, don't stop taking this, you have to lessen the dose. | ||
| If you're in the care of a doctor and they're saying that, cool. | ||
| Alex Jones saying that. | ||
| Very different thing. | ||
| He doesn't know anything about who's listening. | ||
| He doesn't know anything about the caller that he's talking to. | ||
| He doesn't know anything about the caller who he just told their family doesn't respect them. | ||
| He doesn't know anything about these people. | ||
| And he... | ||
| He's not flippantly saying this. | ||
| He's saying that doctors have said that what you've got to do is this. | ||
| Now, I'm not saying this as a doctor, but what you've got to do is you've got to take less and less. | ||
| And if you go in and tell your doctor that you want to take less and less, they'll get suspicious of you. | ||
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So don't tell your doctor, because they're going to get all like, who told you to do that? | |
| Yeah, and then when you say Alex Jones, they're going to be like, you're fucking stupid. | ||
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Stop it. | |
| Well, he's creating paranoia about the people who are the only people in a position to help these people. | ||
| The only people who are in a position to understand exactly what they're going through. | ||
| Now, I'm not saying that all psychiatrists are good, because Lord knows I've known a lot in the past that have been real ding-dongs and real... | ||
| Takes a while. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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I went through five. | |
| Yeah. | ||
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There was a lot of people who were just like, I'm going to prescribe this. | |
| You can find somebody who will treat you... | ||
| Appropriately. | ||
| And you can go through, find the medication that works for you. | ||
| They'll listen to you about your side effects. | ||
| They'll listen to that stuff. | ||
| And you'll be able to find what you need in order to live healthily. | ||
| Because that's the goal. | ||
| It's not to create a zombie horde or whatever. | ||
| So Alex creating this fear of doctors in people and saying, like, these medications, all they're going to do is fuck you up and all this stuff, it's incredibly dangerous. | ||
| And he's not... | ||
| I'm not saying that because I think all meds are healthy or anything like that. | ||
| I don't necessarily think that. | ||
| I think there's a lot of overprescription. | ||
| We've talked about that in the past a hundred times. | ||
| But it is so essential that Alex knows nothing about what he's saying. | ||
| And take the pharmacology out of it. | ||
| Take that inexperience out of it. | ||
| I'm most interested in it. | ||
| I've already said this, but it needs to be fucking said again. | ||
| He has no idea what these people are going through. | ||
| He has no idea. | ||
| He's being so irresponsible. | ||
| This is dangerous. | ||
| This could get people killed. | ||
| I'm sure it has. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It would be very capricious of us to assume that. | ||
| Can't assume it, but if he has a large enough audience and a large enough number of them follow this advice, it stands to reason that at least some of them have died because of it. | ||
| Right, but all we know... | ||
| Or have killed because of it. | ||
| All we know is that he said this thing. | ||
| We can't... | ||
| Without extensive research and maybe getting lucky enough to find some local news story, we can't say with any certainty that anyone actually followed this advice. | ||
| We can't necessarily say that it actually did cause damage, but it fucking has so much potential to. | ||
| But you also have the circumstantial evidence of some of his listeners fucking showing up at a pizza place. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Like, this is not, like... | ||
| But that wasn't only Alex. | ||
| This is not hypothetical damaging. | ||
| This is real damaging. | ||
| This is something that has absolutely fucked up somebody's life. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| Because of his irresponsible behavior. | ||
| If you take Alex saying it out of it, people... | ||
| Outside of the care of a doctor going off medication is a very large cause of suicide. | ||
| It's a very large cause of self-destructive behaviors. | ||
| It's incredibly dangerous. | ||
| So all we can say with absolute certainty is Alex is advocating something that he has no business advocating for, and he has no idea who he's giving this advice to and what they might do if they get this bad advice. | ||
| This is so fucking scary to me. | ||
| I hear this sort of thing, and I'm like, I understand having conspiracies about the medical world. | ||
| Go for it. | ||
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Have that. | |
| Hey, companies that make drugs are evil. | ||
| Like, the opioid crisis is pushed upon people by... | ||
| Companies who make those drugs. | ||
| Is that not enough for you? | ||
| Is that not enough for you, conspiracy theorist? | ||
| That's a great way to go. | ||
| Run with that one. | ||
| Yeah, fucking go. | ||
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You could help. | |
| Yeah, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Team up! | ||
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Let's do the enemy of my enemy is my friend. | |
| You hate doctors and all that shit. | ||
| Let's go for the source. | ||
| But they can't because they are... | ||
| Because the right wing is propped up by a lot of that money. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Pharmacology. | ||
| Big pharma money. | ||
| But you can't trust the doctors who prescribe it. | ||
| You can absolutely trust the kind and benevolent corporations that make it. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| But those doctors who prescribe it, you've got to go off it and don't tell anyone. | ||
| And if he wasn't in prison, I'm sure Alex would have Martin Scrawley on right now. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| There's no through line. | ||
| And this is going to get worse before it gets better. | ||
| But here, in this next clip, Alex... | ||
| I mean, he goes even further. | ||
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Yeah, I just want to thank you for informing me on that. | |
| It might have been in the last two weeks. | ||
| I did hear you say one comment in passing to one of your guests. | ||
| It was that these SSRIs eat holes in the brain. | ||
| Do they actually eat actual holes? | ||
| Well, I mean, what do you think it is when brain cells die? | ||
| What do you think it is when toxins go in? | ||
| I mean, that's why you get senile. | ||
| The brain starts dying at age 30. You start losing over a million brain cells a day. | ||
| Not true. | ||
| And, yes, they are highly... | ||
| I have had brain surgeons, neurologists on who have said it attacks and kills brain cells. | ||
| Bad ones. | ||
| That certainly wasn't Dean Adele. | ||
| Now, sir, sir, sir, I guess you see a psychologist to continue... | ||
| Alex doesn't know what doctors are. | ||
| Psychologists can't prescribe drugs. | ||
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Nope. | |
| Them giving you the drugs? | ||
| Yes. | ||
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Okay. | |
| I've actually tried to discuss a little bit about the New World Order with him. | ||
| And he says it doesn't exist, you're mentally ill? | ||
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Yes, yes. | |
| And that's how I knew that basically I did not listen to these people anymore. | ||
| And if you bring the World Order, see, this is about, not all psychologists, but most of them, this is about, they're a priest class. | ||
| This is about their power trip over you. | ||
| And you can bring them the Wall Street Journal, the Associated Press, Reuters. | ||
| You could bring him the Financial Times of London saying world government's being shut up. | ||
| He will then probably try to have you committed. | ||
| Because that is a threat. | ||
| How dare you say I'm wrong? | ||
| It doesn't exist. | ||
| So James, I wouldn't act all freaked out with him. | ||
| I wouldn't get into any big rigmarole. | ||
| Just say, oh, I'm changing psychologist. | ||
| And then I would get out of there. | ||
| And then I would just decide, you're good, you don't have problems, you're God's beautiful creature, and find out a regimen to get off the drug. | ||
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So... | |
| There's no words for how irresponsible that is. | ||
| You know... | ||
| That should be illegal. | ||
| It should be. | ||
| I don't know if that's illegal, but fuck it should be. | ||
| How many other fucking peddlers of this bullshit are there? | ||
| This con is a tale as old as time. | ||
| Well, it's the guy we listen to. | ||
| Like what? | ||
| Gwyneth Paltrow does this bullshit. | ||
| All of these people who have their alternative medicines can go right the fuck off. | ||
| That's every fucking... | ||
| Oh, what you need is ginkgo biloba. | ||
| It's natural. | ||
| It's all of that bullshit. | ||
| It's jarring to hear it broadcast. | ||
| Especially by this guy. | ||
| Yeah, it's really, really jarring. | ||
| Especially when he's talking to somebody who, like... | ||
| Clearly needs it! | ||
| Well, also, I mean, if he's talking to this therapist, if it's a psychologist they can't prescribe, but if he's talking to a psychiatrist and he's saying stuff about the New World Order and stuff like that, and the psychiatrist responds poorly, then yeah, you should see a new psychiatrist, if that's what he wants, because mental health services are at your direction, you know what I mean? | ||
| Like, if you don't like what's going on, or you feel bullied by your doctor... | ||
| You should talk to them about that, and if they respond poorly, they're a bad doctor. | ||
| There are other doctors. | ||
| It's not a good cause for Alex to be like, they're a priest class, maybe not all of them, but they're a priest class, and they're just threatened by you knowing the truth. | ||
| They're gonna get you committed if you say anything else. | ||
| Like, that sort of thing, all it does is feed into the paranoia. | ||
| All it does is feed into... | ||
| Whatever negative impulses other listeners have, other listeners who have untreated conditions that they might need help with, they hear this sort of thing and they're like, thank God, I don't need to go. | ||
| All these doctors are just going to fucking manipulate me and if I tell them what I really feel, they're going to put me in a box. | ||
| How could you trust any doctor if part of your contract with that doctor is if you say something like... | ||
| There's the New World Order. | ||
| He's going to commit you. | ||
| Right, which is ludicrous anyway. | ||
| Well, I mean, it's illegal. | ||
| Unless you are in imminent danger of harm to yourself or others. | ||
| You say you're going to kill someone because they're New World Order. | ||
| Yeah, there we go. | ||
| Then you're a danger to yourself and others. | ||
| And even then, there's a high bar of actually committing somebody without a family member present. | ||
| Yeah, you need someone else to sign off on it. | ||
| I think you actually even need to get someone committed without their involvement. | ||
| You need more than one doctor, I believe. | ||
| I shouldn't say that because I don't really know. | ||
| You need a military tribunal. | ||
| You know what I'm going off of? | ||
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What? | |
| I think this is a story I read about Britney Spears. | ||
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Okay. | |
| All right. | ||
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All right. | |
| That makes sense. | ||
| So maybe I'm not the expert either. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| But I'm not giving anybody advice. | ||
| No. | ||
| I'm saying that what Alex is saying is, like, we've heard dangerous from him. | ||
| And I'm not just talking about when Milo came on to promote his book. | ||
| We've heard dangerous stuff, and there's definitely other things that he says that are incredibly dangerous. | ||
| The anti-vax stuff is very dangerous. | ||
| The worldview that he espouses as a whole is very dangerous. | ||
| But this specifically, and I don't know, I feel like we haven't encountered something this flavor in our time doing this show. | ||
| I feel bad if we have, and I'm responding this aggressively to it, because I feel like this is almost a new low. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I'm trying to think about it. | ||
| I know he's told people in the past, well, I know we've heard in the past, don't trust doctors. | ||
| I don't know if we've heard him say, actually, get off your meds and don't tell anyone. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Just take it smaller doses over time and never tell anybody, because they'll have you committed. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So then he goes on, he has another caller who calls in, and he gets back to the topic of psychologists. | ||
| Again, it's not who he's talking about, but he doesn't know the distinction. | ||
| And more irresponsible shit comes out of his mouth. | ||
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I've been on Zoloft, which is the generic sertraline, for quite a few years, and I finally wanted to come off of it. | |
| Just after hearing what the doctors say, and they did say exactly what you described, like, why do you want to lessen your dosage? | ||
| I mean, you could take the pills in halves. | ||
| And I was like, well, I want to get off it. | ||
| How do I do it? | ||
| And they said, well, you've got to wean yourself off. | ||
| You've got to take a half pill for two weeks. | ||
| And it takes about four weeks both ways to go on a pill or go off it. | ||
| Yeah, a lot of the... | ||
| And again, those are psychologists. | ||
| I talk to neurologists and medical doctors, and they say too much. | ||
| But I'm not going to give medical advice. | ||
| I'm saying I would come off of it. | ||
| This is what the experts say. | ||
| But do not believe me. | ||
| Go check it out for yourself. | ||
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And read about it on Infowars.com. | |
| That's such a coward. | ||
| I'm not a doctor. | ||
| I am just telling you to do this. | ||
| That's so cowardly at the end after spouting this sort of thing to be like, I'm not saying do it. | ||
| Look it up yourself. | ||
|
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Okay. | |
| Oh boy. | ||
| Dodged a lawsuit. | ||
|
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Right. | |
| Boy. | ||
| Terrible. | ||
| Just unbelievably awful. | ||
| And so... | ||
| That's such a bummer. | ||
| That's such a bummer. | ||
| Why? | ||
| I can't... | ||
| There's no low. | ||
| There's no bottom. | ||
| I know. | ||
| There's no bottom. | ||
| We have to accept that there's no bottom. | ||
| It's just so personal. | ||
| To think of how I would probably be dead if I took his advice, I would almost certainly have... | ||
| 100%. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, to see how it's changed my life. | ||
| And it took a lot of... | ||
| I went to a bunch of different psychiatrists. | ||
| I tried a bunch of different stuff. | ||
| And if I hadn't done that, if I had quit, or if I had just been like, well, I've got this because I'm God's perfect creature. | ||
| I looked at the stars and it was cool. | ||
| I mean, that's so fucking disheartening. | ||
| All the fucking people. | ||
| All the fucking people who are not helped. | ||
|
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who won't get help because of assholes like this. | |
| Because of people who distrust... | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Doctors don't know what they're talking about. | ||
| They're a priest class. | ||
| And it's... | ||
| It's just this fetishization of ignorance. | ||
| Yep. | ||
|
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As though if you don't... | |
| It's almost like what he'd really rather say is, I wish you had never heard of doctors. | ||
| That way you could be proud and confident in your fucking stupid behavior. | ||
| Right. | ||
|
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And it's... | |
| It's infuriating because regardless of what you think about doctors, at heart, part of our belief system has to be built around, if you spend your entire life learning about this shit, if you do this, if you continue to learn about this shit, if you keep doing this as a doctor, you should be trustworthy. | ||
| You'd hope. | ||
| That's the whole point. | ||
| That's the whole point of having doctors in the first place. | ||
| Now, half of them suck or whatever. | ||
| I don't give a shit. | ||
| I don't give a shit. | ||
| That's part of our commitment to actually getting better as a society. | ||
| Doctors used to bleed people, but we still believed them at the time because they were fucking trying to move the society along. | ||
| And through that they did. | ||
| Exactly! | ||
| By that failure, maybe it took longer than it needed to, but, you know. | ||
| I mean, it took way too long for assholes to realize that you needed to wash your hands when going from an autopsy to giving birth. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And we're back there. | ||
| Because people don't wash their hands anymore. | ||
| It's fucking insane. | ||
| Well, yeah, I don't know. | ||
| I don't know what else to say about it that I haven't already said. | ||
| I think this is one of the more disgusting things I've heard from him. | ||
| And it's a tough list, you know? | ||
| That's a tough list. | ||
| But this one is real bad. | ||
|
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So... | |
| We have a couple more clips where we just get sort of the rest of what I want to talk about on this episode. | ||
| The second half of Eastbound and Down? | ||
| I wish. | ||
| No. | ||
| Really, I should have... | ||
| Taking the clip of the unknown stuntman, so we get that out of it. | ||
| Get all of this, wash it out of our mouths. | ||
| Yeah, that would have been nice. | ||
| Instead, we get a caller who calls in, and he has a suggestion. | ||
| Because, you know, the info warriors out there, they don't know how to recognize each other in public. | ||
| So this kid's got an idea. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| John in Colorado, go ahead. | ||
|
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Alex, I salute you and everything you stand for. | |
| I want you to know that I'm one of the legions out here that has your back. | ||
| Pre-written. | ||
| I appreciate it. | ||
| God bless you. | ||
| I got your back. | ||
|
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Well, thank you. | |
| Originally, I was going to talk about spirituality in general, and specifically fear, but I had an idea that I thought was important. | ||
| People are wondering how they're... | ||
| This is absolutely written down. | ||
| You're 100% correct. | ||
|
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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| And it makes me wonder, what were you going to talk about with spirituality? | ||
| Well, fear leads to anger. | ||
| Could be. | ||
| Sith shit. | ||
|
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They're going to recognize their fellow awakened patriots. | |
| Both now and in the coming weeks, which are likely to get a little crazy. | ||
| I realize we need a sign or a symbol to call our own. | ||
| So here it is. | ||
| Picture in your mind the peace symbol. | ||
| Now flip it upside down. | ||
| What do you see? | ||
| You see a Teutonic rune of life. | ||
|
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Okay. | |
| All right. | ||
|
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Well, I see a victory sign. | |
| I see a human with their arms raised in victory. | ||
| Well, that's why it's a life sign. | ||
| The only problem is that's been adopted by the white supremacist. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| Okay. | ||
|
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Well, I didn't know that. | |
| I didn't know that. | ||
| The tragic irony of this call. | ||
| The shocking highs and the... | ||
| Lowest of lows. | ||
| It's all in the same hall. | ||
| He planned this out. | ||
| He'd written this down. | ||
| He's like, I've got the idea to end all ideas. | ||
| Upside down peace sign. | ||
| Oh, white supremacist. | ||
|
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Damn it! | |
| Alex is like, I already have a bunch of those. | ||
| I have a lot of shirts with upside down peace signs. | ||
| Got a lot of buttons. | ||
| Although, that's most likely where he gleaned, like he osmosis'd the idea from. | ||
| Like, this guy is probably well aware of the white supremacist community. | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| Based on this caller's reaction, I think he was like, oh, shit. | ||
| Well, I thought it looked good. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's the sense I got from him. | ||
| I think that was totally new information, and Alex is like, yeah, I'd fucking love to use that. | ||
|
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It's just too fucking obvious, kid. | |
| Go back to the drawing board. | ||
| Give me a couple of lightning bolts or something. | ||
| God damn it. | ||
| How about... | ||
| It looks good, though. | ||
| It's been adopted by the Nazis. | ||
| How about a black star on a red background? | ||
| It's been adopted. | ||
| So, about the next half hour of this show... | ||
| That'd be really great if we just described the star of David. | ||
| Imagine a triangle, alright? | ||
| Now put another triangle on top of it, but upside down and... | ||
|
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That's a Teutonic rune. | |
| Alright, buddy. | ||
| Love it. | ||
| Symbology. | ||
| How about we use two lines? | ||
| One longer than the other, and the other bisecting the other, but perpendicularly and a little bit higher. | ||
| That's a cross. | ||
| Damn it! | ||
| So, a little bit later... | ||
| I could do 10 million variations of this. | ||
| I know you could. | ||
| I love this bit. | ||
| So, a little bit later in the show, Alex has an interview with a guy named JT Coyote. | ||
| Alright. | ||
| Big fan of his. | ||
| Well, you won't be. | ||
| We're not going to listen to any of it because it's kind of rambling. | ||
| And halfway through the interview, I realized that he's the moderator for Prison Planet message boards and stuff like that. | ||
| But they kind of are burying the lead on that a little bit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's just one of our random callers. | ||
| He's a new character. | ||
| I think we'll hear from him again in the future. | ||
| And listening to him... | ||
| Is one of the reasons that I believe that this state's asserting their sovereignty is going to become a much bigger deal. | ||
| And it's going to fold into much bigger narratives as we go. | ||
| And they only mention this in passing a little bit. | ||
| That's why I didn't get a clip of it. | ||
| But the reason that J.T. Coyote is on the show is because he was an aide to someone in the Colorado legislature way back. | ||
| In the 90s. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| When he said that they were doing the same thing to try and assert their sovereignty. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And then, you know what happened? | ||
| Columbine. | ||
| Ah. | ||
| The feds false flagged Columbine in order to get federal control back in. | ||
| So, this... | ||
| That is his... | ||
| Well, Alex has said that in the past. | ||
| This isn't new stuff. | ||
| I've heard him say that before. | ||
| I knew he false-flagged Columbine. | ||
| I didn't know it was so the federal government could supersede sovereignty plans that Colorado had. | ||
| He's said that before in the past, absolutely. | ||
| So then he gets into Ruby Ridge, gets into Waco. | ||
| Those were attempts to have the federal government usurp movements in order to states asserting sovereignty. | ||
| And this folds into a belief that Oklahoma was asserting their sovereignty. | ||
| So, it's this idea that Alex is trying to implant the seed that all of these states that are asserting their sovereignty, get ready, there's about to be false flags in time. | ||
| So that is why he's been spending a week and a half talking about these states. | ||
| It's less because he thinks that these concurrent House resolutions are going to mean a damn thing, even if they pass through. | ||
| He's laying the groundwork for what he expects will be false flag terrorism attacks that happen. | ||
| And just because he needs to really cast a wide net, he's basically saying half the country are the states that are serving his office. | ||
| Yeah, why not pick 17? | ||
| And that way, sooner or later... | ||
| No, it's like at 21, I think, is where he's at now. | ||
| So, 21 states. | ||
| Sooner or later, one of them is going to have a mass shooting. | ||
| It's going to have something. | ||
| Because we're America. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, boom. | ||
|
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False flag. | |
| I got another two weeks' worth of material. | ||
| And then I got a year's worth of going back and using this as a waypoint and adding to my other shit. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So JT Coyote's interview, notwithstanding that little colonel that we can just really discuss as, like, that's why he's doing this, is really not great. | ||
| And I don't want to spend time listening to the fucking moderator of Prison Planet be interviewed by the guy who owns the site. | ||
| I don't feel like that's worthwhile. | ||
| Quite frankly, I have no idea if he actually was in the Colorado legislature or an aide to anybody. | ||
| Shouldn't you have to brand that as, like, sponsored content? | ||
| I mean, I... | ||
| He might call it out at some point. | ||
| I think he might, but I don't give a shit. | ||
| To me, it's more like, all right, you're work buddies. | ||
| Who gives a shit? | ||
| But he does spend about half an hour on this show super pissed off because someone posted a video critical about him. | ||
| So let's listen to Alex get into this. | ||
| Speaking of that, I want to go ahead and start playing this clip and then stop it and start it and analyze it. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I had the printout here in my stack. | ||
|
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I wanted to be able to plug the name of the video. | |
| John, what's the name of that YouTube video with the Christian guy? | ||
| That's a little vague there, Alex. | ||
| No, no, no, not the guy saying I'm lying about spider goats. | ||
|
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Well... | |
| Okay, the hidden truth behind the New World Order Part 1. Okay. | ||
| And it's a nice fella. | ||
| He comes off as really nice and friendly and seems like a good person. | ||
| He doesn't. | ||
| And again, this isn't about me. | ||
| I'm doing this because... | ||
| This is entirely about him. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is an example of the diversions and the distractions that we all end up going through when we have serious issues in front of us. | ||
| And this fellow says that I never talk about The spiritual nature of the New World Order that Mark Dice never talks about. | ||
| I mean, Mark Dice's book that I'm holding in my hand, The Resistance Manifesto, says that it's dealing with end times in the Antichrist. | ||
| Ooh, sounds like Jim Baker shit. | ||
| Love tossing in that end times. | ||
| End times, talking about... | ||
| End times. | ||
| End times never goes out of style. | ||
|
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Never. | |
| Never goes out of style. | ||
| Always a good look on a guy. | ||
| Yeah, toss in some end times. | ||
| So, this video is a guy posting on MySpace. | ||
| Even in 2009. | ||
| Come on, man. | ||
| Well, I only know that because the audio is so bad. | ||
| It sounds like this guy's recording in a tin can. | ||
| And he also says, MySpace will only let me record for 10 minutes, so I'm going to make this brief. | ||
| So... | ||
| I have a plan for a new sign to... | ||
| I want to be... | ||
| I want to just put all my cards on the table. | ||
| This guy and his high space video are ludicrous. | ||
| Alex talks about the spiritual nature of the New World Order all the fucking time. | ||
| He talks about demons. | ||
| Even in 2009, we've heard him very clearly talk about Satan. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| It's not like that's something he doesn't touch. | ||
|
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Oh, yeah. | |
| So the guy's criticism of Alex is invalid, and Alex's response to it is also invalid. | ||
| Because he's only doing this so he doesn't have to deal with valid criticisms of himself. | ||
| He does this sort of thing to create, like, this straw man of these are the people who are attacking me. | ||
| I always talk about the NWO being spiritual and Satan being behind it. | ||
| But look, man, I do a show that's not a religious show. | ||
| I do a news show. | ||
| So I don't sit here all the time and talk about God. | ||
| Flash forward to now, and yes, you do. | ||
| But, like, I get his response, but at the same time... | ||
| I think that back then there probably were some people who were pointing out, hey, every time Bob Chapman comes on your show, you seem to bring Ted Anderson, and you guys are doing a real clear vaudeville sales routine trying to pimp Ted's gold. | ||
| I imagine there's plenty of people who have valid criticisms about the content of his show, and he would never want to talk about that. | ||
| He even mentioned one that he didn't want to talk about, the guy who was saying that he's stupid for saying spider goats. | ||
| I think he does touch on that later. | ||
| Oh, he does touch on that? | ||
| I mean, he's... | ||
| He's talked spider goats plenty. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I mean the YouTube video. | ||
| Whenever he says, who's that Christian guy who is... | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| And he's like, no, no, no, not the one about the spider goats. | ||
| He's right. | ||
| But I'm sure that even that is like some dum-dum talking about how Alex is wrong about spider goats. | ||
| Look. | ||
| Even the dumbest of the dumb should be able to be like, eh, you're wrong about spider goats. | ||
| You can be right that Alex is wrong and still make a bad argument and therefore be wrong in the bigger picture. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| And I think that's probably what spider goat guy is. | ||
| I don't particularly care. | ||
| I would like to know how wrong he was. | ||
| So Alex gets off... | ||
| They're not spider goats. | ||
| They're beetle goats. | ||
| Oh, shit. | ||
| Alex spends... | ||
| Also, what about the spider goat leadership? | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| That's scary stuff. | ||
| They have been locked into a nonstop battle of death with the purist spider leadership. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| The spider leadership. | ||
| Very racist toward the goat hybrids. | ||
| The spider goat leadership. | ||
| The spider goat leadership, they're actually spiders that have attributes of goats. | ||
| It's not like the spider silk thing. | ||
| Not goats who have attributes of spiders. | ||
| Right, it's not like the spider silk infusion. | ||
| It's spiders that can eat tin cans. | ||
| They're arachnids without a home. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because the goats hate them, spiders hate them, all they've got is each other. | ||
| They climb up mountain crags and eat garbage. | ||
| That's all I know goats do. | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| When I was in Greece, I ran into a pack of goats. | ||
| Man, were they eating garbage. | ||
| That is like a stereotype. | ||
| I get that. | ||
| Hashtag not all goats. | ||
| But yes, all goats. | ||
| All goats love eating garbage. | ||
| Yeah, but they have to wrap it in silk and cocoon it and drink the blood of the garbage. | ||
| That's the spider goat. | ||
| Yeah, that's the spider goat. | ||
| So Alex goes off on a really long self-defense tangent about this guy's MySpace video. | ||
| And good, fair play, Alex. | ||
| You know, whatever. | ||
| You're just not dealing with real criticisms. | ||
| But then he's going out to break. | ||
| And listen to this. | ||
| We're going to have to deconstruct this 45-second clip. | ||
| For maybe ten minutes. | ||
| This is one of the most convoluted, self-contradicting, narcissistic piles of garbage I've ever heard in my life. | ||
| Alex, he can't figure out where to land. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Instead, I'd say about half the people on websites and you... | ||
| I'm going to start this over. | ||
| Because what he's talking about before this is about how everybody should be on the same page. | ||
| We all should be fighting the common enemy. | ||
| No, my MySpace page. | ||
| Specifically the InfoWars MySpace page. | ||
| He's saying that all of these disparate communities that are all patriot in nature and Christian should all be unified as opposed to bickering with each other. | ||
| And then he gets to this. | ||
| Instead, I'd say about half the people on websites and YouTube and on these video things, they just sit around policing each other. | ||
| Or obsessing over, it's just this group and we're going to obsess on this group and we're going to exaggerate the power of this group and we're going to blah, blah, blah. | ||
|
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When meanwhile... | |
| So, real quick. | ||
| He's getting played off. | ||
| The reason that he paused there was because he realized... | ||
| Oh, that's all I do. | ||
| He's like, oh, these people being focused on one group and exaggerating the power of that group? | ||
| Oh, shit, that's what I do with the globalists. | ||
| How do I finish this sentence? | ||
| How do I finish this sentence? | ||
| Because he's like, the reality is that it's the group I talk about that has the exaggerated power. | ||
| He's like, all these people, they think the Jews run everything, but no, it's my code for the Jews. | ||
| They're the ones who run everything. | ||
| He can't finish the sentence. | ||
|
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Right. | |
| He can't do it. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| I love it. | ||
| Blah, blah, blah. | ||
| Meanwhile, the entire economy is being imploded. | ||
| The New World Order is coming into play and people are arguing and debating over who's got the best info or who the best talk show host is or who's got the best website. | ||
| And obviously, I'm the big kahuna in all this, so most of them are just jealous and upset with me. | ||
| And I just feel sorry for him because this is too dangerous of a world to be stuck on jealousy, folks. | ||
| Out to break. | ||
| He starts by critiquing these people who focus on and exaggerate one group. | ||
| Has to bail in the middle of the sentence because he realizes that's what he does. | ||
| Then he's complaining about everybody being obsessed with who has the best information, who's the best website, who has the best talk show host when clearly it's me. | ||
| They're all just jealous of me. | ||
| What is going on? | ||
| This is not a time for jealousy. | ||
|
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What the fuck? | |
| That's so crazy. | ||
| 50% of all these right-wing websites are just criticizing each other and obsessing over all this stuff, and they're trying to exaggerate the problem and blow it out of proportion because I do it better than you, and that's why I have the biggest website. | ||
| That's why I have the most followers. | ||
| That's why you're just jealous because I have created a bigger, better... | ||
| You created King Kong, motherfucker! | ||
| I created Godzilla! | ||
| I created King Ghidorah! | ||
|
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It's... | |
| Like, that to me is... | ||
| That's the kind of Alex Jones I relish covering. | ||
| Because that's like, okay, you're a lunatic, but it's clear the narcissism is coming through, the sort of laughable elements of your character are coming through, and it's just so disappointing that... | ||
| Like, he is still the same person who tells people who he has no idea about that they've got to get off their meds. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| You know, because if, like, that was gone, he wasn't that kind of an asshole, he could just be a blowhard. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And blowhards are kind of fun. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Especially when they sing Highwaymen. | ||
| Yeah, but unfortunately, that's not who this guy is. | ||
| So as much as we, you know, like to talk about, like, the difference between modern day and past Alex Jones, you know. | ||
| It doesn't really matter. | ||
| He's a shithead all the time. | ||
| Still there. | ||
|
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Yep. | |
| Jesus. | ||
| Who cares? | ||
| Yeah, fair enough. | ||
| And not who cares about his rhetoric. | ||
| It's like, who cares about creating a positive version of him? | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| That'd be fun if we got the chance. | ||
| Like, if we got a do-over on Alex Jones. | ||
| Like, say that there is a God. | ||
| End times happen. | ||
| Right before end times happen, we get raptured. | ||
| It's taken up. | ||
| God's like, hey, you guys got any way to fix this shit? | ||
| We just explain how to make Alex Jones better. | ||
| Just go back in time. | ||
| And then he would put us back for the end times. | ||
| And he'd be like, nah, you guys fucked up. | ||
| Yeah, that did not work. | ||
| Wait, that was it? | ||
| That was your big plan? | ||
| Just to fix Alex Jones? | ||
| I don't know why I listened to you guys. | ||
| I'm supposed to be all-knowing. | ||
| Also, big fan of the show. | ||
| Big fan of the show. | ||
| Good stuff. | ||
| I'm just a policy wonk I can't afford to go up to. | ||
| I love the Project Camelot episodes. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| That's our new character, Cheapskate God! | ||
|
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Oh boy. | |
| Give unto Caesar what's Caesar's. | ||
| That's not God's. | ||
| He doesn't have the money to donate to the show. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| And we appreciate him listening. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So that brings us to the end of this patch of 2009. | ||
| I'm excited to move forward because I have not had a great time listening to the last five episodes of this. | ||
| I was stuck for a long time, like, I can't finish this episode. | ||
| This is so boring. | ||
| I imagine he expected there to be a mass shooting or something like that sooner. | ||
| I think that's why he's hammering on about it, because he's like, alright, now! | ||
| No, shit, alright, this time! | ||
| When I described it as a holding pattern at the top of the show, I think that's why. | ||
| I think he... | ||
| He's a man without a third act, so he's just doing the second act over and over and over and over again, having each of these boring state reps on to talk about their state's identical bill that they're trying to push through in the House resolution. | ||
| He's a kid who keeps pointing at the sky and saying, rain, and then when it finally does happen, he's going to be like, see, I told you. | ||
| I think so. | ||
| I think that that's what we're seeing, and I don't remember history as minutely as some people do, but I don't know if there's any large-scale attacks coming up. | ||
| So he might be stuck in this holding pattern for quite a while. | ||
| It's America. | ||
| There's a mass shooting. | ||
| But on the plus side, we are now only 11 days away in 2009 from the big breakout of the Tea Party. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
|
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So we're much closer to that. | |
| The big manufactured breakout. | ||
|
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Exactly. | |
| These two things might... | ||
| They might somehow dovetail into each other, which is what I'm more suspicious of. | ||
| I'm more suspicious that since a terrorist attack or big mass shooting probably doesn't happen in the next ten days of this show, what I'm thinking is there isn't progress with the narrative. | ||
| These House resolutions, he starts to see them languish in committee, perhaps. | ||
| There's not a lot of action to it. | ||
| And that energy that he has for this. | ||
| Gets folded into the Tea Party stuff. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| And he starts bringing all that together. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| That might be... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I hate to predict things because I'm almost always wrong. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| So... | ||
| We'll see. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Anyway, if you like the show, you can get more at knowledgefight.com. | ||
| Indeed. | ||
| You can follow us on Twitter at knowledge underscore fight. | ||
| We're also on Facebook. | ||
| We are on Facebook. | ||
| You can go to our Facebook group. | ||
| Go home and tell your mother you're brilliant. | ||
| Can. | ||
| Go to iTunes. | ||
| We're there. | ||
| You can do the other stuff. | ||
| You can do everything. | ||
| Hey, if you've ever listened to a podcast, you know how they tell you to do stuff? | ||
| Just do that stuff, but for us. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| You know? | ||
| Great start. | ||
| Everybody signs off with the same bullshit. | ||
| You've heard a podcast before. | ||
| You know the rules. | ||
| Do the thing, or it'd be nice. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I'll take this one, I think. | ||
| It is your turn. | ||
| Although it is so gauche to do, based on his behavior today. | ||
| Alex Jones, go fuck yourself. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first time caller. | ||
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I'm a huge fan. | |
| I love your work. |